[GTALUG] Boeing India software engineers

[Alex Volkov]

Okay Ted,

This violates several rules of our code of conduct including 
discrimination based on gender and gender identity and you are banned 
from this list.

I also removed Gary from the list because of repeatedly ignoring my 
warnings that the discussion about Boeing outsourcing is over.



Alex.


On 2019-03-13 2:58 p.m., ted leslie via talk wrote:
> Harper in his "right here, right now" book - that just came out 
> recently, explained all of this, and also, even basically saying Trump 
> probably will not see out his term , and he is unstable, explained his 
> election win, all coming round to "trade deals", to which Harper 
> claims in his tenure he
> generated more then any other head of state in time frame.
> He talks about anywheres and somewheres - many people in decision 
> making roles (especially 1%'rs) are anywheres in their lives, global 
> and not very tied to community (of origin) anymore. Somewheres, the 
> opposite.
> This explains some of the free market slant, but the real issue is a 
> "trade deal", good or bad?
> Which is why, with all faults, many! Trump pulled off a win.
> When a state makes a trade deal, it has to be good in a broad sense!
> Harper gave an example of the dairy issue in Quebec (sms) that is a 
> sore point because its very protectionist, and odd in view of "free 
> trade". But, to stop that dairy SMS would be catastrophic for many 
> small communities, so against , (also discussed) very stupid dogma : 
> free trade is good period, the
> deal is not done. Its not dogmatic , you need a GOOD DEAL!
> A state has to make smart trade deals, and Harper passed on China 
> trade deals (new) because it was insane, the IP theft is MASSIVE, this 
> is not up for debate. Many other things are massively lopsided.
> Unfortunately the Clinton trade deal damage has been done, and not 
> something to quickly fix. Harper appears to have done much better 
> trade deals, but it would appear the job outsourcing has to become a 
> bigger variable in doing the deals.
> When you don't want to "protect" (rather, really open up), you need to 
> ease (in the trade agreement, i.e. period by period easement), and to 
> retrain, and as a state, get your shit together.
> Having said all this, I am not knowledgeable in the trade deals (if 
> any) we have with India, and what should be done. If Canada has a 
> net + to trade with India (good and services), then seems feds have to 
> fund into the job lose incurred to correct, or, NOT MAKE THE DEAL.
>
> Another oddity, if true, that is coming down the pipe in Canada, is 
> the , according to JBP, Jordan B Peterson, the transition to 80+% 
> female makeup in post secondary in 15 years, and in time leaving only 
> males somewhat majority in STEM, and 0% in other,
> if true, this is a incredible social change that is likely to have 
> insane consequences. The new SJW, IdentPolitics, (snow flake gen - 
> maybe a derog. term now, wasn't few years ago, not sure a better PC 
> term), is going to create a new society soon, that outsourcing of jobs 
> is going to be
> infinitely low on the priority scale, of Canada's issues! I hope JBP 
> is wrong, but its been a hell of a bomb drop, and some stats do 
> perhaps support it. Disruption to employment with offshore is BIG! 
> disruptions with this potential shift in education gender make up, is 
> mind boggling!
>
> -tl
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 2:08 PM Don Tai via talk <talk at gtalug.org 
> <mailto:talk at gtalug.org>> wrote:
>
>     While the discussion centers around Indian workers, please do not
>     forget China. China has 1.4B people and they need work as well.
>     The Chinese government is willing to subsidize factories that
>     export products. These export products are therefore much cheaper
>     than comparable North American made ones. Thus US and Canuck
>     factories bite the dust. Hence Walmart stocks a significant amount
>     of Chinese goods.
>
>     The race to the bottom, when there is a country/state actor
>     involved means people here in Western countries lose companies and
>     jobs. The issue is much more complex than just saying it is ok for
>     Canadian companies to find the cheapest workers, for Canadian
>     consumers to buy the cheapest products. What will happen to
>     Canadian or Western society when a vast majority of jobs have gone
>     to China? If you want a harmonious society, jobs are needed for
>     all types of people. If you export a portion of these jobs to the
>     lowest bidder in another country, what happens to those people? As
>     a society we have no answer as yet, other than "You should find a
>     job higher up the value chain". Such comments seem so very
>     elitist, and lacking in compassion for fellow Canadians.
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