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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Okay Ted,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">This violates several rules of our code
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I also removed Gary from the list
because of repeatedly ignoring my warnings that the discussion
about Boeing outsourcing is over.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Alex.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-03-13 2:58 p.m., ted leslie via
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"arial
black",sans-serif;font-size:small">Harper in his "right
here, right now" book - that just came out recently,
explained all of this, and also, even basically saying Trump
probably will not see out his term , and he is unstable,
explained his election win, all coming round to "trade
deals", to which Harper claims in his tenure he</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"arial
black",sans-serif;font-size:small">generated more then
any other head of state in time frame.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"arial
black",sans-serif;font-size:small">He talks about
anywheres and somewheres - many people in decision making
roles (especially 1%'rs) are anywheres in their lives,
global and not very tied to community (of origin) anymore.
Somewheres, the opposite.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"arial
black",sans-serif;font-size:small">This explains some
of the free market slant, but the real issue is a "trade
deal", good or bad?</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"arial
black",sans-serif;font-size:small">Which is why, with
all faults, many! Trump pulled off a win.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"arial
black",sans-serif;font-size:small">When a state makes a
trade deal, it has to be good in a broad sense! </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"arial
black",sans-serif;font-size:small">Harper gave an
example of the dairy issue in Quebec (sms) that is a sore
point because its very protectionist, and odd in view of
"free trade". But, to stop that dairy SMS would be
catastrophic for many small communities, so against , (also
discussed) very stupid dogma : free trade is good period,
the</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"arial
black",sans-serif;font-size:small">deal is not done.
Its not dogmatic , you need a GOOD DEAL!</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"arial
black",sans-serif;font-size:small">A state has to make
smart trade deals, and Harper passed on China trade deals
(new) because it was insane, the IP theft is MASSIVE, this
is not up for debate. Many other things are massively
lopsided.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"arial
black",sans-serif;font-size:small">Unfortunately the
Clinton trade deal damage has been done, and not something
to quickly fix. Harper appears to have done much better
trade deals, but it would appear the job outsourcing has to
become a bigger variable in doing the deals.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"arial
black",sans-serif;font-size:small">When you don't want
to "protect" (rather, really open up), you need to ease (in
the trade agreement, i.e. period by period easement), and to
retrain, and as a state, get your shit together.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"arial
black",sans-serif;font-size:small">Having said all
this, I am not knowledgeable in the trade deals (if any) we
have with India, and what should be done. If Canada has a
net + to trade with India (good and services), then seems
feds have to fund into the job lose incurred to correct, or,
NOT MAKE THE DEAL.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"arial
black",sans-serif;font-size:small">Another oddity, if
true, that is coming down the pipe in Canada, is the ,
according to JBP, Jordan B Peterson, the transition to 80+%
female makeup in post secondary in 15 years, and in time
leaving only males somewhat majority in STEM, and 0% in
other,</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"arial
black",sans-serif;font-size:small">if true, this is a
incredible social change that is likely to have insane
consequences. The new SJW, IdentPolitics, (snow flake gen -
maybe a derog. term now, wasn't few years ago, not sure a
better PC term), is going to create a new society soon, that
outsourcing of jobs is going to be</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"arial
black",sans-serif;font-size:small">infinitely low on
the priority scale, of Canada's issues! I hope JBP is wrong,
but its been a hell of a bomb drop, and some stats do
perhaps support it. Disruption to employment with offshore
is BIG! disruptions with this potential shift in education
gender make up, is mind boggling!</div>
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<div dir="ltr">While the discussion centers around Indian
workers, please do not forget China. China has 1.4B people
and they need work as well. The Chinese government is
willing to subsidize factories that export products. These
export products are therefore much cheaper than comparable
North American made ones. Thus US and Canuck factories
bite the dust. Hence Walmart stocks a significant amount
of Chinese goods.
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<div>The race to the bottom, when there is a country/state
actor involved means people here in Western countries
lose companies and jobs. The issue is much more complex
than just saying it is ok for Canadian companies to find
the cheapest workers, for Canadian consumers to buy the
cheapest products. What will happen to Canadian or
Western society when a vast majority of jobs have gone
to China? If you want a harmonious society, jobs are
needed for all types of people. If you export a portion
of these jobs to the lowest bidder in another country,
what happens to those people? As a society we have no
answer as yet, other than "You should find a job higher
up the value chain". Such comments seem so very elitist,
and lacking in compassion for fellow Canadians.</div>
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