[GTALUG] Programming languages (in comparison?) - -was Learn Swift for Apple/iOS. Learn ??? for Google/Android.

[Clifford Ilkay]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:51 PM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:

> OK - - - you think 16 GB of ram is lots.
>


I didn't say it was "lots". I said that is what I have and the majority of
people have that or less. My motherboard doesn't support any more RAM or
I'd put more in.



> Sorry - - - there's quite a bit more in this box.
>


"Quite a bit more" doesn't communicate anything useful.


>
> I have the hardware to run any kind of serious software.
>


What is "serious software"? As opposed to what?



> That's why I'm peeved at wimpy software.
>


"Wimpy software"... not helpful in diagnosing and flags you as a potential
crank.



> One thing I find fascinating is that the issues that I've tried to
> communicate to the dev team are usually ignored or pooh poohed, like here.
>


If you have been communicating with the dev team the way you've been
communicating here, I'm not surprised.

Answering the following questions might help the dev team resolve the
problem.

Which sites are you on? Exactly how many tabs did you have open? What did
RAM, CPU, and disk utilization look like before the crash? Have you cleared
your cache? Which extensions are you running? Have you run with extensions
disabled? What were you doing when the crash happened? Are the crashes
predictable or repeatable? Which version of the software, operating system,
kernel are you running? Which desktop manager are you running? Are you
running any widgets on said desktop manager? (I had Cinnamon freezing at
random intervals due to a buggy widget.) Which video card and which driver?
Then we have the motherboard, RAM, chipset, CPU. That would be just to
start. You might have to instrument the software to see what the browser
was doing when it crashed and provide logs. It will be time-consuming for
you and for the developers and they still may not be able to replicate the
problem or fix it if they identify the problem.

Here is what will not resolve the problem. You expressing your opinions on
the quality of the software, complaining about how this browser should be
some way other than the way it is, ranting about how the web should be
this, not that, and communicating in a way that is guaranteed to have you
ignored. I'm not say be "nice" in order to get something you want. That
would be manipulative and people have a sixth sense about sniffing out that
inauthenticity and act accordingly.

I'm saying consider that there is a human being on the other side of the
conversation who has their own concerns, motivations, and challenges, just
like you. A little kindness goes a long way. Most software developers take
pride in their work and they love it when they can solve gnarly problems.
They are not your adversaries and if they are treated as if they were, they
will likely not make much effort in helping you. They have no obligation to
help you specifically. You're not paying them or their employer and some of
them might even be contributors who aren't being paid at all.



> When you stress software the cracks start to show. What I would like to
> communicate, but am failing, is that what I'm trying to do should be
> possible - - - that it isn't indicates a need for changes in the software.
>


It could also indicate a need for changes in attitude of the person using
the software. Not many people are inclined to help when you're essentially
trashing their work and have a big chip on your shoulder. Your posts
suggest that you seem to be more committed to doing the digital equivalent
of shaking your fist at the kids while yelling, "Get off my lawn!" than
actually finding a solution.

Regards,

Clifford Ilkay

+1 647-778-8696
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