[GTALUG] Programming languages (in comparison?) - -was Learn Swift for Apple/iOS. Learn ??? for Google/Android.

o1bigtenor o1bigtenor at gmail.com
Wed Dec 13 08:09:49 EST 2017


On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:41 PM, Clifford Ilkay via talk <talk at gtalug.org>
wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:51 PM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> OK - - - you think 16 GB of ram is lots.
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> I didn't say it was "lots". I said that is what I have and the majority of
> people have that or less. My motherboard doesn't support any more RAM or
> I'd put more in.
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"If you're like most people, you're unlikely to have more than 16GB of RAM
on your machine and in fact, you're likely to have less."

You made an assumption, you were wrong and you were/are using that
assumption to denigrate my service request to the software dev team.

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>> Sorry - - - there's quite a bit more in this box.
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> "Quite a bit more" doesn't communicate anything useful.
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>> I have the hardware to run any kind of serious software.
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> What is "serious software"? As opposed to what?
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>> That's why I'm peeved at wimpy software.
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> "Wimpy software"... not helpful in diagnosing and flags you as a potential
> crank.
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OK - - -to you I'm sounding like a crank. To me you're sounding like a
junkyard pitbull.

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>> One thing I find fascinating is that the issues that I've tried to
>> communicate to the dev team are usually ignored or pooh poohed, like here.
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> If you have been communicating with the dev team the way you've been
> communicating here, I'm not surprised.
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> Answering the following questions might help the dev team resolve the
> problem.
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You bet - - - I can ALWAYS exactly replicate a problem.
Sorry - -  when I looking at a website and I click on a link that opens a
new tab and then everything disappears (ie my browser just died
spectacularly) its sort of difficult to determine EXACTLY what was the
cause.
Was it the link, was it the sending site, was it some other active tab that
chose then reload, or was it something else?
Somehow I'm supposed to KNOW which of those it was to satisfy YOUR need as
a developer.

Yes I'm cranky about browser software - - - you bet.
Why?
Because I've never once even gotten a request like your mountain of
information.
And as the problem continues even though ever version that I can remember
since some time in the low 30's has promised less memory leakage - - -
guess what?
I'm finding it quite hard to believe their present assertion

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> Which sites are you on? Exactly how many tabs did you have open? What did
> RAM, CPU, and disk utilization look like before the crash? Have you cleared
> your cache? Which extensions are you running? Have you run with extensions
> disabled? What were you doing when the crash happened? Are the crashes
> predictable or repeatable? Which version of the software, operating system,
> kernel are you running? Which desktop manager are you running? Are you
> running any widgets on said desktop manager? (I had Cinnamon freezing at
> random intervals due to a buggy widget.) Which video card and which driver?
> Then we have the motherboard, RAM, chipset, CPU. That would be just to
> start. You might have to instrument the software to see what the browser
> was doing when it crashed and provide logs. It will be time-consuming for
> you and for the developers and they still may not be able to replicate the
> problem or fix it if they identify the problem.
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> Here is what will not resolve the problem. You expressing your opinions on
> the quality of the software, complaining about how this browser should be
> some way other than the way it is, ranting about how the web should be
> this, not that, and communicating in a way that is guaranteed to have you
> ignored. I'm not say be "nice" in order to get something you want. That
> would be manipulative and people have a sixth sense about sniffing out that
> inauthenticity and act accordingly.
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> I'm saying consider that there is a human being on the other side of the
> conversation who has their own concerns, motivations, and challenges, just
> like you. A little kindness goes a long way. Most software developers take
> pride in their work and they love it when they can solve gnarly problems.
> They are not your adversaries and if they are treated as if they were, they
> will likely not make much effort in helping you. They have no obligation to
> help you specifically. You're not paying them or their employer and some of
> them might even be contributors who aren't being paid at all.
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>> When you stress software the cracks start to show. What I would like to
>> communicate, but am failing, is that what I'm trying to do should be
>> possible - - - that it isn't indicates a need for changes in the software.
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> It could also indicate a need for changes in attitude of the person using
> the software. Not many people are inclined to help when you're essentially
> trashing their work and have a big chip on your shoulder. Your posts
> suggest that you seem to be more committed to doing the digital equivalent
> of shaking your fist at the kids while yelling, "Get off my lawn!" than
> actually finding a solution.
>

If your work doesn't cut it - - - deal with it.
In my work - - - ANY errors - - - either 1. I fix, 2. I can't fix - - - -
I'm fired (terminated, gone, history) and I'm looking for another job.
(And EVERYTHING gets checked!)

I guess programmers don't have to work within those kind of parameters.

Regards

Dee
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