Duke Nukem Forever

Thu Jun 16 23:00:26 UTC 2011

A dude wanking at you on the bus is definitely sexual assault.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Thomas Milne
<thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>wrote:

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> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Renata Rocha <natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
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>> 1. 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetimes
>>
>> therefore
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>> 2. almost every single woman involved in the sex trade have been
>> sexually assaulted
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> That's not what I said at all. They may be related issues, but I never said
> one caused the other.
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>> The problem is number 1. When women decide to sell their bodies, THERE
>> ARE MANY WHO ARE NOT FORCED, WHO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY WANT . You have
>> to fight the root cause of #1. I've met a couple of ex-sex workers who
>> did that because they liked sex, wanted money and at some point
>> decided to leave. Sex workers need protection? Of course, but
>> believing somebody becomes a sex worker "just because of childhood
>> rape"  is naive.
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> Well, no, it's borne out by hard data accumulated over many decades of
> research by people who have actually spent their lives counselling sex trade
> workers. The fact that there are anecdotal cases of voluntary prostitution
> does nothing to negate the cases of millions of women who are forced into
> prostitution by drugs, abuse, or economics.
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>
>> And please define "sexual assault", as it looks like a very broad
>> term. A weirdo masturbating in the subway is sexual assault? Bus
>> groping? Or only rape?
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> Well, if you defined it that broadly then it would be 100%. I don't know,
> would you be more comfortable with one fifth or one sixth? I suppose if we
> tweaked the definition to only include the ones that didn't survive, we
> might even get it down to an emotionally manageable number.
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>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:47, Thomas Milne
>> <thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> > Well, it's not about prejudice, it's about the fact that 1 in 4 women
>> will
>> > be sexually assaulted in their lifetimes, and the proven fact that
>> almost
>> > every single woman involved in the sex trade, the kind of women
>> portrayed as
>> > caricatures of 'whores' in this game, have been sexually assaulted as
>> > children. Knowing these facts, it's hard for me to laugh at exploiting
>> women
>> > who have been abused and forced into addiction and prostitution. I'm
>> sorry,
>> > normally I'm not quick to judge, but when it comes to this issue in
>> > particular I have no forgiveness.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Renata Rocha <natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>
>> wrote:
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>> >> Just to say that, hell, yes, I think it's utterly funny. If you want
>> >> to fight prejudice, etc, work on your skills when girls join
>> >> science/math school. That would be awesome.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 09:51, Fabio FZero <fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> > Renata finds it funny as hell. :-)
>> >> >
>> >> > There are plenty of games with strong female characters these days to
>> >> > counter-balance. Off the top of my head: Portal, Bayonetta, the whole
>> >> > Metroid series, Alice...
>> >> >
>> >> > - Fabio
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 08:34, Thomas Milne
>> >> > <thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> >> >> No one with the slightest respect for women should be playing this
>> >> >> game.
>> >> >> Sorry, call me 'politically correct' all you want, but I have a wife
>> >> >> and a
>> >> >> young daughter, and as far as I'm concerned the people who promote
>> this
>> >> >> kind
>> >> >> of image of women should be expunged from society.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Sadiq Saif <sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org
>> >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Here is the review from Ars Technica:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/06/duke-nukem-forever-review-barely-playable-unfunny-and-rampantly-offensive.ars
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Not very encouraging.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 15 Jun 2011 23:47, "Colin McGregor" <colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>> > This evening I attended a meeting (Toronto Free-Net Board
>> meeting)
>> >> >>> > which finished before 9:00 PM so I was able to stick my nose into
>> >> >>> > one
>> >> >>> > of the big box electronics shops downtown. While there I actually
>> >> >>> > held
>> >> >>> > in my hands a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" for the PC, no joke!
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > For those who don't know the story here, "Duke Nukem Forever" has
>> >> >>> > been coming real soon now for some 15 (yes, 15) years, details to
>> be
>> >> >>> > seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever .
>> "Duke
>> >> >>> > Nukem Forever" has become the poster child for vaporware
>> (software
>> >> >>> > promised but not delivered).
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > I have fond memories of playing "Duke Nukem 3D" against my
>> brother
>> >> >>> > over 10 years ago, and if I were still running MS Windows I would
>> >> >>> > have
>> >> >>> > been very tempted to buy a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" just for
>> the
>> >> >>> > sake of nostalgia. Still I wonder, while I don't doubt there are
>> >> >>> > some
>> >> >>> > gamers who would buy the new game because they remember the old,
>> I
>> >> >>> > imagine that is a fairly modest market. So I will be interested
>> in
>> >> >>> > hearing how this game sells, as I assume most of the buyers will
>> be
>> >> >>> > viewing this as a totally new game...
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Oh, and in the words of the Duke (before shooting one of the
>> aliens
>> >> >>> > in
>> >> >>> > the game) "Come get some, baby!". :-) .
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Colin McGregor
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