A dude wanking at you on the bus is definitely sexual assault. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Thomas Milne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org">thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Renata Rocha <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" target="_blank">natzilla@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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1. 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetimes<br>
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therefore<br>
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2. almost every single woman involved in the sex trade have been<br>
sexually assaulted<br>
<br></blockquote><div> </div></div><div>That's not what I said at all. They may be related issues, but I never said one caused the other.</div><div class="im"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The problem is number 1. When women decide to sell their bodies, THERE<br>
ARE MANY WHO ARE NOT FORCED, WHO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY WANT . You have<br>
to fight the root cause of #1. I've met a couple of ex-sex workers who<br>
did that because they liked sex, wanted money and at some point<br>
decided to leave. Sex workers need protection? Of course, but<br>
believing somebody becomes a sex worker "just because of childhood<br>
rape" is naive.<br>
<br></blockquote><div> </div></div><div>Well, no, it's borne out by hard data accumulated over many decades of research by people who have actually spent their lives counselling sex trade workers. The fact that there are anecdotal cases of voluntary prostitution does nothing to negate the cases of millions of women who are forced into prostitution by drugs, abuse, or economics.</div>
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And please define "sexual assault", as it looks like a very broad<br>
term. A weirdo masturbating in the subway is sexual assault? Bus<br>
groping? Or only rape?<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Well, if you defined it that broadly then it would be 100%. I don't know, would you be more comfortable with one fifth or one sixth? I suppose if we tweaked the definition to only include the ones that didn't survive, we might even get it down to an emotionally manageable number.</div>
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On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:47, Thomas Milne<br>
<div><div></div><div><<a href="mailto:thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" target="_blank">thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Well, it's not about prejudice, it's about the fact that 1 in 4 women will<br>
> be sexually assaulted in their lifetimes, and the proven fact that almost<br>
> every single woman involved in the sex trade, the kind of women portrayed as<br>
> caricatures of 'whores' in this game, have been sexually assaulted as<br>
> children. Knowing these facts, it's hard for me to laugh at exploiting women<br>
> who have been abused and forced into addiction and prostitution. I'm sorry,<br>
> normally I'm not quick to judge, but when it comes to this issue in<br>
> particular I have no forgiveness.<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Renata Rocha <<a href="mailto:natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" target="_blank">natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Just to say that, hell, yes, I think it's utterly funny. If you want<br>
>> to fight prejudice, etc, work on your skills when girls join<br>
>> science/math school. That would be awesome.<br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 09:51, Fabio FZero <<a href="mailto:fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" target="_blank">fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > Renata finds it funny as hell. :-)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > There are plenty of games with strong female characters these days to<br>
>> > counter-balance. Off the top of my head: Portal, Bayonetta, the whole<br>
>> > Metroid series, Alice...<br>
>> ><br>
>> > - Fabio<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 08:34, Thomas Milne<br>
>> > <<a href="mailto:thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" target="_blank">thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >> No one with the slightest respect for women should be playing this<br>
>> >> game.<br>
>> >> Sorry, call me 'politically correct' all you want, but I have a wife<br>
>> >> and a<br>
>> >> young daughter, and as far as I'm concerned the people who promote this<br>
>> >> kind<br>
>> >> of image of women should be expunged from society.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Sadiq Saif <<a href="mailto:sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA@public.gmane.org" target="_blank">sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA@public.gmane.org</a>><br>
>> >> wrote:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Here is the review from Ars Technica:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> <a href="http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/06/duke-nukem-forever-review-barely-playable-unfunny-and-rampantly-offensive.ars" target="_blank">http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/06/duke-nukem-forever-review-barely-playable-unfunny-and-rampantly-offensive.ars</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Not very encouraging.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> On 15 Jun 2011 23:47, "Colin McGregor" <<a href="mailto:colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" target="_blank">colin.mc151@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >>> > This evening I attended a meeting (Toronto Free-Net Board meeting)<br>
>> >>> > which finished before 9:00 PM so I was able to stick my nose into<br>
>> >>> > one<br>
>> >>> > of the big box electronics shops downtown. While there I actually<br>
>> >>> > held<br>
>> >>> > in my hands a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" for the PC, no joke!<br>
>> >>> ><br>
>> >>> > For those who don't know the story here, "Duke Nukem Forever" has<br>
>> >>> > been coming real soon now for some 15 (yes, 15) years, details to be<br>
>> >>> > seen here: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever</a> . "Duke<br>
>> >>> > Nukem Forever" has become the poster child for vaporware (software<br>
>> >>> > promised but not delivered).<br>
>> >>> ><br>
>> >>> > I have fond memories of playing "Duke Nukem 3D" against my brother<br>
>> >>> > over 10 years ago, and if I were still running MS Windows I would<br>
>> >>> > have<br>
>> >>> > been very tempted to buy a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" just for the<br>
>> >>> > sake of nostalgia. Still I wonder, while I don't doubt there are<br>
>> >>> > some<br>
>> >>> > gamers who would buy the new game because they remember the old, I<br>
>> >>> > imagine that is a fairly modest market. So I will be interested in<br>
>> >>> > hearing how this game sells, as I assume most of the buyers will be<br>
>> >>> > viewing this as a totally new game...<br>
>> >>> ><br>
>> >>> > Oh, and in the words of the Duke (before shooting one of the aliens<br>
>> >>> > in<br>
>> >>> > the game) "Come get some, baby!". :-) .<br>
>> >>> ><br>
>> >>> ><br>
>> >>> > Colin McGregor<br>
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> Thomas Milne<br>
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