Is Arch Linux Really Faster Than Ubuntu?

[Marcelo Cavalcante]

Haha...
You're funny..

Won't discuss with you about it anymore... You'll always say that debian is
better... but if you read the topic, this is not the point here...

I do respect Debian as a distro... and all the others.. But, if you can't
respect other distros, like Arch, I'm sorry... I won't ask you to. I'm just
sorry.

If Arch is so bad as you say... why do they have users?

Everyday I can see people saying that Ubuntu is terrible.. ubuntu is xxxx...
I don't so.. I just ask myself... Why do they have more users? o.O

Anyway.. I'm done on this thread...

have fun with debian and fanaticism. ;]
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On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Lennart Sorensen <
lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 02:49:08PM -0300, Marcelo Cavalcante wrote:
> > Not what I mean...
> >
> > You're not forced to do anything...
>
> If you use the distribution you are.
>
> > Come on.. We're using Linux.. We can have a lot of distros.. hundreds.. a
> > lot of options..
>
> We can, but honestly, we probably shouldn't.   It's inefficient and
> wasteful.  The vast majority are crap and die quickly.
>
> > So, you're not "forcing anyone to deal with all the details". We're just
> > giving an option for those who want to have this kind of experience.
> > Understand?
>
> Well that's not how it is being sold on the web page.  It doesn't
> say "This is the distribution for people that want an old fashioned
> do-it-all-yourself experience".  I wish it did say that.  I could
> respect that.  The way it currently represents itself, I consider harmful
> to users.  Same way BASIC is harmful to new programmers.  It makes you
> think you are learning useful things, but in fact it only teaching you
> bad habits that will later be hard to get rid of and really don't apply
> when you want to move on to a distribution people actually want to use
> for real work.
>
> You want to learn something useful?  Go figure out how Debian's package
> tools work, how it manages the filelists and other database details.
> Learn how packages are built and the rules files involved, how debhelper
> works.  That stuff is there and it makes life easier and better.
> It's useful stuff to know and teaches you best practices.  As you said
> yourself, you prefer debian on servers.  That's why you should learn how
> that works.  Debian of course has the advantage that you don't have to
> learn it to use it, but its all there if you are interested.
>
> > For example.. Let's suppose that someone already knows a lot of Linux but
> > doesn't want to spend a lot of time installing a linux distro dealing
> with
> > all these details. But, the person is interested on try Arch Linux
> system,
> > pacman package manager, etc.. The Arch Way... Well.. If you wanna try
> Arch,
> > but doesn't wanna deal with all the details like you said, we won't force
> > you to do it. You can try Chackra Linux (http://chakra-project.org/).
> >
> > Chackra is a live cd using Arch Linux with kde packages. You'll have a
> > simple installation system (simpler than Ubuntu, in my opinion, by the
> way).
>
> My problem with the existance of such distributions is that they tend to
> make claims like "You will learn lots of things" or "It's faster because
> it is optimized for your system" or similar.  People that don't know
> any better actually believe such crap.  That is harmful.
>
> If it was honestly presented as:
>
> "This distribution aims for being simple to implement, so nothing is
> automated.  It will be a lot of work."
>
> then fine.  But they never present it that way.  They always claim it's
> a good thing, when it isn't.
>
> I hate seeing people waste time repeating things that don't have to be
> repeated, especially when someone is claiming they are actually going
> to learn something useful from wasting their time.  They are not.
>
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