No O/S as a right more than ever

[Rajinder Yadav]

I believe the originator of this thread has left the group, my poor comments about getting "us/things twisted" was taken personally by Ib to mean I was calling him twisted as well as his idea.

He seems to think this group is against all his ideas he has put forward? I don't know the history of the group but anyways if there is anyone here who can help IB with his cause I would suggest sending him a personal *supportive* message.

Personally I didn't see any personal attack on Ib, but buy poor wording just helped him project what he's feeling.

Cheers,
Rajinder



--- On Tue, 4/21/09, D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> From: D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org>
> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: No O/S as a right more than ever
> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
> Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 1:40 PM
> Many people on this list take a
> fairly simple "free market" view.  Me
> too.
> 
> The free market is impaired by monopolies.  MS Windows
> has been found
> to be a Monopoly.  So there are some legal constraints
> on Microsoft's
> behaviour (but not in Canada; pity).
> 
> HP has not been found to be a monopoly.  In the
> notebook world, it
> clearly is not.  So there is no anti-monopoly
> constraint on HP, nor
> should there be.
> 
> But let's look again at the MS side of this.
> 
> | From: CLIFFORD ILKAY <clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org>
> 
> | As long as Microsoft isn't penalizing manufacturers that
> sell
> | "naked" systems or systems loaded with another operating
> system, there
> | is nothing wrong with a manufacturer deciding that it
> will offer Windows
> | exclusively, or not.
> 
> For anti-trust reasons, the US Justice Department, plus
> some US
> States, put some constraints on Microsoft.  More than
> once.
> Unfortunately, they put pathetically weak ones in (there
> was a change
> of administration).
> 
> One thing that they allow is that Microsoft can bribe
> vendors to
> behave the way Microsoft wants.  The bribe takes the
> form of advertising money.
> Most times that you see Microsoft mentioned in a computer
> ad Microsoft is
> paying the computer company.  And they pay more for
> good behaviour.
> I don't know what they encourage: those agreements are
> secret, another
> thing that should not be allowed of a monopolist.
> 
> Just because the US government is captured by Microsoft is
> no reason
> that the Canadian government needs be passive.  I have
> personally been
> party to a formal complaint to the Canadian government
> about this some
> years ago.  Nothing has happened as far as I know
> (proceedings are
> confidential -- not even the complainant gets to know what
> is
> happening).
> 
> I think that HP's behaviour is most likely shaped by
> Microsoft
> inducements that are OKed by the US Justice
> department.  Common sense
> says that these inducements should have been forbidden.
> 
> 
> | From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org
> Mon Apr 20 22:42:43 2009
> 
> | Having windows pre-installed on a machine sucks. That
> noted, the
> | question is where to go from here? The best real world
> option in my
> | books would be to:
> | 
> | - Buy the hardware you want.
> | - Refuse to accept the included MS Windows licence
> | - Go after the hardware vendor, take them to small claims
> court if required.
> 
> On the face of it, this looks to be possible.  It is
> what I. Khider
> initially asked for, I think.
> 
> For some reason that I have not understood, this approach
> usually
> doesn't work even though the legal documents seem to say it
> is
> possible.
> 
> Theory: nobody reads those shrink-wrapped "agreements", not
> even the
> publisher of them.
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