[GTALUG] Boeing India software engineers

[Gary]

I think you've misconstrued the intent of our discussion. The issue is 
worldwide labour arbitrage where production moves to the lowest cost 
region.  This is a reality that must be fully appreciated by those 
contemplating a career in North America. As you allude to in your 
rebuttal, it is a basic economic argument that is apparently lost on the 
massive hordes pursuing degrees  in computer science in this country. No 
one here is trying to cast aspersions on the quality of Indian workers; 
rather, we see India as an up and coming force in the world by virtue of 
their favourable demographics. However, I don't believe that this view 
has been fully understood in this country.
/gary

On 19-03-13 10:39 AM, Dhaval Giani wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:10 PM Gary via talk <talk at gtalug.org> wrote:
>> I believe the short answer is that if you live in North America, you
>> should avoid wasting money on a costly academic education, even if
>> you're very gifted, and, instead, focus on vocational training that can
>> never be outsourced, such as postal work, fire fighter, ambulance
>> paramedic and medical laboratory services. In that way there is a clean
>> bifurcation in the nature of work that is carried out between here and
>> India.
>>
>> In this wonderful age, you don't have to spend a penny indulging your
>> interest in computer science, technology, physics and mathematics as you
>> have internet resources for that purpose. For example, I'm a retired
>> postal clerk but I entertain myself by downloading lectures on these
>> topics. I've taught myself c++ and I have lots of fun developing
>> applications in Linux. I have a passion for A.I and mathematics but I
>> know that, if you live in this country then these studies can never be
>> more than an indulgence, unless you have really good connections; but
>> then, in that case, you can just get a degree in medieval history before
>> taking the helm as CEO at some company, which is what Carly Fiorinas did
>> with HP.
>>
>> https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2014/09/30/carly-fiorinas-medieval-history-major-inspires-young-female-conservatives
>>
>> /gary
> I am not even going to begin by saying how wrong and how racist this
> entire topic is.
>
> I have worked with enough poor indian developers. I have also worked
> with enough poor highly paid canadian, american and european
> developers. They exist everywhere regardless of nationality.
>
> I also worked with enough indian developers whose work would be
> classified as poor while in India which magically turned to pretty
> good when they started working in the US. I have also heard
> interesting things being said by developers here about people in India
> which spoke to how blind they were about situations outside of
> Canada/US/Europe. (Part of it being, oh, open source is not about
> passion to people in India, it is just a job. Well, it is, you know,
> because they need food on their plates).
>
> I am horrified that we are sitting here and talking about this.
>
> If you are in the industry, then you are very much aware that is
> mostly the grunt work that gets outsourced. If your job is getting
> outsourced, then more likely than not, you are not that high up the
> value chain. Sorry to break the news to you. Is it a nice thing? No,
> absolutely not. I would not wish it on anybody. But the reality is, it
> is basic economics. If it can be done for cheaper, and it is not
> essential, "quality" (whatever that means), doesn't matter. Don't
> begrudge whoever won that. Increase your own value. If you are doing
> something essential, your job is not going to go  away any time soon.
> Let's not be racist and pick on someone other nationality.
>
> Dhaval
>