[GTALUG] [OT] Phishing is no mirage...

Elliott Chapin echapin at teksavvy.com
Thu Dec 19 14:27:10 EST 2019


May I copy your 6 Infosec paragraphs to FaceBook - named? as from the list?

On 2019-12-19 10:58 a.m., Russell Reiter via talk wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 9:40 PM Alvin Starr via talk <talk at gtalug.org 
> <mailto:talk at gtalug.org>> wrote:
>
>     This whole discussion is getting way into the weeds.
>
>
> Well it is off topic in relation to keeping the list Linux centric, 
> except for the fact that Internet and cellular privacy do require 
> technical skills and the OP was commenting on phishing because of 
> hosting on Linode.
>
>
>
>     The point I was originally trying to make was about the crappy job
>     the corporations we need to depend on are doing in keeping our
>     information secure.
>
>
> InfoSec is a highly specialized technical area of computing. The 
> subtle nuances of computer language; machine, programming, legal and 
> other spoken and written languages have all been melded into a 
> universally misunderstood global internet corporate-speak. The OP's 
> issue was with phishing and they pointed out the obvious intent of the 
> Uniform Resource Locator sent to their email, as it was easy for a 
> knowledgeable person to recognize this as spear phishing when they 
> experienced it.
>
> There is a subtle context in the use of words. A cellular service 
> provider or internet provider manages infrastructure assets which are 
> essentially owned by the people of Canada. These Corporations lease 
> and manage the rights to use Broadcast Frequencies over the air and by 
> cabling, now at lightspeed. Ethereal considerations aside, these 
> providers have fiduciary duties as they manage those common assets 
> which are used by Canadians in order to publish and transfer 
> information over the airwaves, in both public and in private 
> communications.
>
> Corporations are legal fictions. They are chartered to have the right 
> to do business as a person but they do not have human rights.  They do 
> business with people, either in writings which are fictions or, by 
> employing other people under letters patent to do business, legal 
> fictions. This is why a fiduciary may be of a class of persons who is 
> a member of the corporation. The third party in trust. It's an 
> original form of two factor authentication.
>
> The Government expects a natural person to be fiduciary, prudent in 
> the sharing of information about oneself which then could be used to 
> defraud others. It’s an impossible dream but none the less the law 
> does provide for flexible relations. It’s not a crime to be asked for 
> your SIN, it’s not a crime to provide your SIN but you should protect 
> your SIN. There are only a few organizations who have a true need to 
> know your sin when dealing with you. Prudent people are expected to 
> understand this and act accordingly.
>
> Older people are caught in the middle. The SIN is formed to fit in a 
> wallet to be durable and to be carried with you, typically so when a 
> cop says, got any id, you can say yeah here's my SIN and I work over 
> there. That was the social norm, with all the personal prejudices and 
> social injustices, class struggles and other baggage of two 
> individuals engaged face to face. One who works for government and one 
> who doesn't.
>
> In a perfectly block-chained ethereal world you would not have to hide 
> your SIN.
>
>
>
>
>     On 12/18/19 9:24 PM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote:
>>     On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 4:51 PM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
>>     <talk at gtalug.org <mailto:talk at gtalug.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         | From: Russell Reiter via talk <talk at gtalug.org
>>         <mailto:talk at gtalug.org>>
>>
>>         | I agree that many newcomers face significant barriers
>>         through a lack of
>>         | understanding of Canada's system of administrative law and
>>         the policies
>>         | which underpin it. However, as much we would like to
>>         believe law concerns
>>         | itself with vulnerable folks, that is not quite correct
>>
>>         Do you mean "administrative law"?  That too is a technical
>>         term.  It
>>         refers to "the body of law that governs the activities of
>>         administrative agencies of government."
>>
>>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_law>
>>
>>
>>     Technically speaking, every term used in English communications
>>     is a technical term. In fact English is dubbed the language of
>>     the technocrats by some others. What I was attempting to address
>>     was the concept of victim blaming, as the issue was raised in a
>>     couple of posts.
>>
>>     There are two basic branches of Law, Public and Private.
>>     Newcomers first contact with Canada is usually through an
>>     administrative agency which vetted their candidate application.
>>     Then they become landed and are expected to be able to function
>>     within the norms of Canadian law, both public and private, even
>>     as while they familiarize themselves with living under the
>>     Canadian system of established social norms.
>>
>>     In this system, ignorance of the law is not a defence to an
>>     outright breach of the law, however can be a mitigating factor in
>>     determining cause and effect, when it is necessary for a decider
>>     to make a determination of remedy for a breach of the law, as
>>     that law may be administrated under a Tribunal cluster regime
>>     dealing with social and other public justice issues.
>>
>>     Ideally the Tribunal system allows for individual regions to set
>>     the tone of remedy for equitable breaches which are not criminal
>>     but have significant detrimental social (not necessarily
>>     financial) effect if unchecked. Tribunals and boards are touted
>>     as informal resolution services. This is supposed to spare the
>>     parties and the State the burden of the very high costs of court
>>     time in settlement. Not to say that Tribunals don't have
>>     significant cost in their own right, but they are much less than
>>     formal court proceedings.
>>
>>     Private law deals with formal financial remedies for unlawful
>>     breaches of mutually agreed upon contract terms under privity of
>>     contract.
>>
>>     The CRTC is one established administrative authority of
>>     government and actually does govern cellular communications
>>     licensing as a trust issue.
>>
>>     I'd like to be clear on this, although it's only my personal
>>     opinion, any monies collected in advance and held by a business
>>     owner establishes a formal trust. Certain things have come to
>>     pass due to the practices of phone services bundling hardware
>>     provision with service provision.
>>
>>     In the land-line days, prior to WiFi mobile cellular, the courts
>>     forced phone companies to allow consumers to actually be able to
>>     purchase their own home phones and even to hook them up inside
>>     their homes themselves, as opposed to only renting them from the
>>     services provider and having only the providers technicians
>>     inspect and repair them.
>>
>>     More recently cellular companies were forced to allow carrier
>>     unlocking. This is why the CRTC now want's consumer input on
>>     moving forward with establishing effective future regulations.
>>     Even on this list the right to repair is a topical issue, so
>>     administrative law is always a factor, whether it is immediately
>>     obvious or not.
>>
>>     From the CRTC webpage ...
>>
>>     "What is the CRTC?
>>
>>     The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission
>>     (CRTC) was created by the Parliament of Canada to regulate and
>>     supervise broadcasting and telecommunications in Canada. This
>>     includes the radio, television, cell phone, and Internet services
>>     that you and other Canadians rely on every day. With headquarters
>>     in the National Capital Region, the CRTC reports to Parliament
>>     through the Minister of Canadian Heritage."
>>
>>     https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/acrtc/acrtc.htm
>>
>>
>>         I happened to read this today:
>>         <https://www.theglobeandmail.c
>>         <https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-supreme-court-ruling-could-quell-chaos-surrounding-administrative-law/>>
>>
>>         I think that you were talking about law in general. 
>>         Administrative
>>         law only matters when you want to challenge government
>>         administrative
>>         decisions.
>>
>>     Interesting. Here is an article on the debate relating to
>>     standards of Judicial review of legal decisions made by both
>>     administrative Tribunals and the Courts of Justice.
>>
>>     https://ablawg.ca/2018/07/23/the-great-divide-on-standard-of-review-in-canadian-administrative-law/
>>
>>     In Ontario some of the other administrative Tribunal bodies
>>     include the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal and the Landlord Tenant
>>     Board. Both of these administrative agencies and many others were
>>     recently clustered under a new umbrella name as Tribunals Ontario,
>>
>>     A great deal of Canadians day to day business is dealt with by
>>     administrative Tribunals, but I don't think even the Supreme
>>     Court couldn't help you with a remedy, if you were expected to
>>     understand it's not wise to share your personal SIN under certain
>>     circumstances and you did so anyway.
>>
>>     The problems newcomers face such as language and financial
>>     barriers are somewhat alleviated by the creation of Non
>>     Government Organizations as settlement agencies. But the demand
>>     on training and information services is high, the costs of
>>     service delivery are rising and there is a significant shortage
>>     of funding to be able to engage enough skilled individuals to act
>>     in counselling, training and educational roles.
>>
>>     I always think back to the writers A & H Toffler and their
>>     original work Future Shock when I sense that language use is
>>     changing too rapidly for me to fully grasp the subtle and
>>     contextual nuances of that changing language as it is used in
>>     communications, legal or other.
>>
>>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Shock
>>
>>
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