[GTALUG] [OT] Phishing is no mirage...
Elliott Chapin
echapin at teksavvy.com
Thu Dec 19 14:27:10 EST 2019
May I copy your 6 Infosec paragraphs to FaceBook - named? as from the list?
On 2019-12-19 10:58 a.m., Russell Reiter via talk wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 9:40 PM Alvin Starr via talk <talk at gtalug.org
> <mailto:talk at gtalug.org>> wrote:
>
> This whole discussion is getting way into the weeds.
>
>
> Well it is off topic in relation to keeping the list Linux centric,
> except for the fact that Internet and cellular privacy do require
> technical skills and the OP was commenting on phishing because of
> hosting on Linode.
>
>
>
> The point I was originally trying to make was about the crappy job
> the corporations we need to depend on are doing in keeping our
> information secure.
>
>
> InfoSec is a highly specialized technical area of computing. The
> subtle nuances of computer language; machine, programming, legal and
> other spoken and written languages have all been melded into a
> universally misunderstood global internet corporate-speak. The OP's
> issue was with phishing and they pointed out the obvious intent of the
> Uniform Resource Locator sent to their email, as it was easy for a
> knowledgeable person to recognize this as spear phishing when they
> experienced it.
>
> There is a subtle context in the use of words. A cellular service
> provider or internet provider manages infrastructure assets which are
> essentially owned by the people of Canada. These Corporations lease
> and manage the rights to use Broadcast Frequencies over the air and by
> cabling, now at lightspeed. Ethereal considerations aside, these
> providers have fiduciary duties as they manage those common assets
> which are used by Canadians in order to publish and transfer
> information over the airwaves, in both public and in private
> communications.
>
> Corporations are legal fictions. They are chartered to have the right
> to do business as a person but they do not have human rights. They do
> business with people, either in writings which are fictions or, by
> employing other people under letters patent to do business, legal
> fictions. This is why a fiduciary may be of a class of persons who is
> a member of the corporation. The third party in trust. It's an
> original form of two factor authentication.
>
> The Government expects a natural person to be fiduciary, prudent in
> the sharing of information about oneself which then could be used to
> defraud others. It’s an impossible dream but none the less the law
> does provide for flexible relations. It’s not a crime to be asked for
> your SIN, it’s not a crime to provide your SIN but you should protect
> your SIN. There are only a few organizations who have a true need to
> know your sin when dealing with you. Prudent people are expected to
> understand this and act accordingly.
>
> Older people are caught in the middle. The SIN is formed to fit in a
> wallet to be durable and to be carried with you, typically so when a
> cop says, got any id, you can say yeah here's my SIN and I work over
> there. That was the social norm, with all the personal prejudices and
> social injustices, class struggles and other baggage of two
> individuals engaged face to face. One who works for government and one
> who doesn't.
>
> In a perfectly block-chained ethereal world you would not have to hide
> your SIN.
>
>
>
>
> On 12/18/19 9:24 PM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 4:51 PM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
>> <talk at gtalug.org <mailto:talk at gtalug.org>> wrote:
>>
>> | From: Russell Reiter via talk <talk at gtalug.org
>> <mailto:talk at gtalug.org>>
>>
>> | I agree that many newcomers face significant barriers
>> through a lack of
>> | understanding of Canada's system of administrative law and
>> the policies
>> | which underpin it. However, as much we would like to
>> believe law concerns
>> | itself with vulnerable folks, that is not quite correct
>>
>> Do you mean "administrative law"? That too is a technical
>> term. It
>> refers to "the body of law that governs the activities of
>> administrative agencies of government."
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_law>
>>
>>
>> Technically speaking, every term used in English communications
>> is a technical term. In fact English is dubbed the language of
>> the technocrats by some others. What I was attempting to address
>> was the concept of victim blaming, as the issue was raised in a
>> couple of posts.
>>
>> There are two basic branches of Law, Public and Private.
>> Newcomers first contact with Canada is usually through an
>> administrative agency which vetted their candidate application.
>> Then they become landed and are expected to be able to function
>> within the norms of Canadian law, both public and private, even
>> as while they familiarize themselves with living under the
>> Canadian system of established social norms.
>>
>> In this system, ignorance of the law is not a defence to an
>> outright breach of the law, however can be a mitigating factor in
>> determining cause and effect, when it is necessary for a decider
>> to make a determination of remedy for a breach of the law, as
>> that law may be administrated under a Tribunal cluster regime
>> dealing with social and other public justice issues.
>>
>> Ideally the Tribunal system allows for individual regions to set
>> the tone of remedy for equitable breaches which are not criminal
>> but have significant detrimental social (not necessarily
>> financial) effect if unchecked. Tribunals and boards are touted
>> as informal resolution services. This is supposed to spare the
>> parties and the State the burden of the very high costs of court
>> time in settlement. Not to say that Tribunals don't have
>> significant cost in their own right, but they are much less than
>> formal court proceedings.
>>
>> Private law deals with formal financial remedies for unlawful
>> breaches of mutually agreed upon contract terms under privity of
>> contract.
>>
>> The CRTC is one established administrative authority of
>> government and actually does govern cellular communications
>> licensing as a trust issue.
>>
>> I'd like to be clear on this, although it's only my personal
>> opinion, any monies collected in advance and held by a business
>> owner establishes a formal trust. Certain things have come to
>> pass due to the practices of phone services bundling hardware
>> provision with service provision.
>>
>> In the land-line days, prior to WiFi mobile cellular, the courts
>> forced phone companies to allow consumers to actually be able to
>> purchase their own home phones and even to hook them up inside
>> their homes themselves, as opposed to only renting them from the
>> services provider and having only the providers technicians
>> inspect and repair them.
>>
>> More recently cellular companies were forced to allow carrier
>> unlocking. This is why the CRTC now want's consumer input on
>> moving forward with establishing effective future regulations.
>> Even on this list the right to repair is a topical issue, so
>> administrative law is always a factor, whether it is immediately
>> obvious or not.
>>
>> From the CRTC webpage ...
>>
>> "What is the CRTC?
>>
>> The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission
>> (CRTC) was created by the Parliament of Canada to regulate and
>> supervise broadcasting and telecommunications in Canada. This
>> includes the radio, television, cell phone, and Internet services
>> that you and other Canadians rely on every day. With headquarters
>> in the National Capital Region, the CRTC reports to Parliament
>> through the Minister of Canadian Heritage."
>>
>> https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/acrtc/acrtc.htm
>>
>>
>> I happened to read this today:
>> <https://www.theglobeandmail.c
>> <https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-supreme-court-ruling-could-quell-chaos-surrounding-administrative-law/>>
>>
>> I think that you were talking about law in general.
>> Administrative
>> law only matters when you want to challenge government
>> administrative
>> decisions.
>>
>> Interesting. Here is an article on the debate relating to
>> standards of Judicial review of legal decisions made by both
>> administrative Tribunals and the Courts of Justice.
>>
>> https://ablawg.ca/2018/07/23/the-great-divide-on-standard-of-review-in-canadian-administrative-law/
>>
>> In Ontario some of the other administrative Tribunal bodies
>> include the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal and the Landlord Tenant
>> Board. Both of these administrative agencies and many others were
>> recently clustered under a new umbrella name as Tribunals Ontario,
>>
>> A great deal of Canadians day to day business is dealt with by
>> administrative Tribunals, but I don't think even the Supreme
>> Court couldn't help you with a remedy, if you were expected to
>> understand it's not wise to share your personal SIN under certain
>> circumstances and you did so anyway.
>>
>> The problems newcomers face such as language and financial
>> barriers are somewhat alleviated by the creation of Non
>> Government Organizations as settlement agencies. But the demand
>> on training and information services is high, the costs of
>> service delivery are rising and there is a significant shortage
>> of funding to be able to engage enough skilled individuals to act
>> in counselling, training and educational roles.
>>
>> I always think back to the writers A & H Toffler and their
>> original work Future Shock when I sense that language use is
>> changing too rapidly for me to fully grasp the subtle and
>> contextual nuances of that changing language as it is used in
>> communications, legal or other.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Shock
>>
>>
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