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<p>May I copy your 6 Infosec paragraphs to FaceBook - named? as from
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 9:40 PM Alvin Starr via
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<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent">Well
it is off topic in relation to keeping the list Linux
centric,
except for the fact that Internet and cellular privacy do
require
technical skills and the OP was commenting on phishing
because of hosting on Linode.</p>
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The point I was originally trying to make was about the
crappy job the corporations we need to depend on are doing
in keeping our information secure.<br>
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<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent">InfoSec
is a highly specialized technical area of computing. The
subtle nuances of computer language; machine, programming,
legal and
other spoken and written languages have all been melded
into a
universally misunderstood global internet corporate-speak.
The OP's
issue was with phishing and they pointed out the obvious
intent of
the Uniform Resource Locator sent to their email, as it
was easy for
a knowledgeable person to recognize this as spear phishing
when they
experienced it.</p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent">There
is a subtle
context in the use of words. A cellular service provider
or internet
provider manages infrastructure assets which are
essentially owned by
the people of Canada. These Corporations lease and manage
the rights
to use Broadcast Frequencies over the air and by cabling,
now at
lightspeed. Ethereal considerations aside, these providers
have
fiduciary duties as they manage those common assets which
are used by
Canadians in order to publish and transfer information
over the
airwaves, in both public and in private communications.</p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent">Corporations
are
legal fictions. They are chartered to have the right to do
business
as a person but <span style="background-color:transparent">they
do not have human rights. They do business with people,
either in
writings which are fictions or, by employing other
people under
letters patent to do business, legal fictions. This is
why a
fiduciary may be of a class of persons who is a member
of the
corporation. The third party in trust. It's an original
form of two factor authentication.</span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent">The
Government
expects a natural person to be fiduciary, prudent in the
sharing of
information about oneself which then could be used to
defraud others.
It’s an impossible dream but none the less the law does
provide for
flexible relations. It’s not a crime to be asked for your
SIN, it’s
not a crime to provide your SIN but you should protect
your SIN.
There are only a few organizations who have a true need to
know your
sin when dealing with you. Prudent people are expected to
understand
this and act accordingly.</p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent">Older
people are
caught in the middle. The SIN is formed to fit in a wallet
to be
durable and to be carried with you, typically so when a
cop says, got
any id, you can say yeah here's my SIN and I work over
there. That
was the social norm, with all the personal prejudices and
social
injustices, class struggles and other baggage of two
individuals
engaged face to face. One who works for government and one
who
doesn't.</p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent">In
a perfectly
block-chained ethereal world you would not have to hide
your SIN.</p>
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| I agree that many newcomers face significant
barriers through a lack of<br>
| understanding of Canada's system of
administrative law and the policies<br>
| which underpin it. However, as much we would
like to believe law concerns<br>
| itself with vulnerable folks, that is not
quite correct<br>
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Do you mean "administrative law"? That too is a
technical term. It<br>
refers to "the body of law that governs the
activities of<br>
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<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent"><font
face="tahoma, sans-serif">Technically
speaking, every term used in English
communications is a technical term. In fact
English is dubbed the language of the
technocrats by some others. What I was
attempting to address was the concept of
victim blaming, as the issue was raised in a
couple of posts.</font></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent"><font
face="tahoma, sans-serif">There are two
basic branches of Law, Public and Private.
Newcomers first contact with Canada is
usually through an administrative agency
which vetted their candidate application.
Then they become landed and are expected to
be able to function within the norms of
Canadian law, both public and private, even
as while they familiarize themselves with
living under the Canadian system of
established social norms. </font></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent"><span
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">In
this system, ignorance of the law is not a
defence to an outright breach of the law,
however can be a mitigating factor in
determining cause and effect, when it is
necessary for a decider to make a
determination of remedy for a breach of the
law, as that law may be administrated under
a Tribunal cluster regime dealing with
social and other public justice issues. </span><br>
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<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent"><font
face="tahoma, sans-serif">Ideally the
Tribunal system allows for individual
regions to set the tone of remedy for
equitable breaches which are not criminal
but have significant detrimental social (not
necessarily financial) effect if unchecked.
Tribunals and boards are touted as informal
resolution services. This is supposed to
spare the parties and the State the burden
of the very high costs of court time in
settlement. </font><span
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Not to
say that Tribunals don't have significant
cost in their own right, but they are much
less than formal court proceedings. </span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent"><span
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Private
law deals with formal financial remedies for
unlawful breaches of mutually agreed upon
contract terms under privity of contract. </span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent"><font
face="tahoma, sans-serif">The CRTC is one
established administrative authority of
government and actually does
govern cellular communications licensing as
a trust issue. </font></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent"><font
face="tahoma, sans-serif">I'd like to be
clear on this, although it's only my
personal opinion, any monies collected in
advance and held by a business owner
establishes a formal trust. Certain things
have come to pass due to the practices of
phone services bundling hardware provision
with service provision. </font></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent"><span
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">In the
land-line days, prior to WiFi mobile
cellular, the courts forced phone companies
to allow consumers to actually be able to
purchase their own home phones and even to
hook them up inside their homes themselves,
as opposed to only renting them from the
services provider and having only the
providers technicians inspect and repair
them. </span><br>
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<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent"><font
face="tahoma, sans-serif">More recently
cellular companies were forced to allow
carrier unlocking. This is why the CRTC now
want's consumer input on moving forward with
establishing effective future regulations.
Even on this list the right to repair is a
topical issue, so administrative law is
always a factor, whether it is immediately
obvious or not.</font></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent"><font
face="tahoma, sans-serif">From the CRTC
webpage ...</font></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent"><font
face="tahoma, sans-serif">"What is the CRTC?</font></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent"><font
face="tahoma, sans-serif">The Canadian
Radio-television and Telecommunications
Commission (CRTC) was created by the
Parliament of Canada to regulate and
supervise broadcasting and
telecommunications in Canada. This includes
the radio, television, cell phone, and
Internet services that you and other
Canadians rely on every day. With
headquarters in the National Capital Region,
the CRTC reports to Parliament through the
Minister of Canadian Heritage."</font></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;background:transparent"><a
href="https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/acrtc/acrtc.htm" style="color:rgb(0,0,128)"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><font face="tahoma,
sans-serif">https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/acrtc/acrtc.htm</font></a></p>
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I happened to read this today:<br>
<<a
href="https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-supreme-court-ruling-could-quell-chaos-surrounding-administrative-law/"
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I think that you were talking about law in
general. Administrative<br>
law only matters when you want to challenge
government administrative<br>
decisions.</font></blockquote>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:115%;background:transparent"><font
face="tahoma, sans-serif">Interesting. Here
is an article on the debate relating to
standards of Judicial review of legal
decisions made by both administrative
Tribunals and the Courts of Justice.</font></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:115%;background:transparent"><font
style="color:rgb(0,0,128)" face="tahoma,
sans-serif"><a
href="https://ablawg.ca/2018/07/23/the-great-divide-on-standard-of-review-in-canadian-administrative-law/"
style="color:rgb(0,0,128)"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://ablawg.ca/2018/07/23/the-great-divide-on-standard-of-review-in-canadian-administrative-law/</a></font></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:115%;background:transparent"><font
face="tahoma, sans-serif">In Ontario some of
the other administrative Tribunal bodies
include the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal
and the Landlord Tenant Board. Both of these
administrative agencies and many others were
recently clustered under a new umbrella name
as Tribunals Ontario, </font></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:115%;background:transparent"><font
face="tahoma, sans-serif">A great deal of
Canadians day to day business is dealt with
by administrative Tribunals, but I don't
think even the Supreme Court couldn't help
you with a remedy, if you were expected to
understand it's not wise to share your
personal SIN under certain circumstances and
you did so anyway. </font></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:115%;background:transparent"><font
face="tahoma, sans-serif">The problems
newcomers face such as language and
financial barriers are somewhat alleviated
by the creation of Non Government
Organizations as settlement agencies. But
the demand on training and information
services is high, the costs of service
delivery are rising and there is a
significant shortage of funding to be able
to engage enough skilled individuals to act
in counselling, training and educational
roles. </font></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:115%;background:transparent"><font
face="tahoma, sans-serif">I always think
back to the writers A & H Toffler and
their original work Future Shock when I
sense that language use is changing too
rapidly for me to fully grasp the subtle and
contextual nuances of that changing language
as it is used in communications, legal or
other.</font></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:115%;background:transparent"><font
face="tahoma, sans-serif"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Shock"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Shock</a></font></p>
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