Solved Debian update - keyboard responsive, Lennart Sorrenson not so much

[Ivan Avery Frey]

On 29/10/11 11:17, Russell Reiter wrote:
> Lennart, I don't know what it is about me that brings out the troll in
> otherwise apparantly normal people. But there it is. When someone
> bangs on me as hard as you did, I have to defend my position and that
> position is, I quote you here:
>
> "In other words, don't take advice from people that don't know what they
> are doing, ..."
>
> Well Lennart that's your opinion, here's mine.
>
> You had little desire to assist with the problem, until someone
> thanked me for posting my experience. Then you tried to use your
> belief in your own superior knowledge to belittle the solution, which
> in fact was not my solution but simply a solution provided by someone
> else experiencing the same difficulties.
>
> If you notice, what I did was not exactly the same as what was posted.
> Not that it matters, or does it? You tell me you're the theorist, I'm
> a system's integrator.  You have to remember who I am in all this, I
> was helping the system operator restore functionality.
>
> Debian developers started using Dependency Based Boot around 2009.
> Squeeze is the first to use it as default in a product release. It is
> to deal with the fact the kernel is becoming more event driven. I
> won't bore you with the abstract details of the transitional problems
> of migration, even in respect of moving a temporary virtual file
> system to a static one because you should know all this. However, you
> apparantly don't care enough about the problem. Instead you try and
> piss all over me when I asked a sincere question.
>
> What you didn't know, before you tried to pick on me, was where the
> problem was sourced, yet you pretended you did and worse, you assumed
> that I didn't.
>
> Here's some background on how Debian maintainers are dealing with
> event driven kernels, which is what this is really all about.
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/03/msg02640.html
>
> When I first joined this list there were about sixty users sharing
> their experiences with integrating this OS into more mainstream use.
>
> I do my small bit to help users adapt. Much in the same way that my
> old friend Jan Carlson did. One day I asked him why he sold me a cd
> with Red Hat on it for five bucks at a TLUG meeting and then gave me
> two thousand dollars worth of telephone support?
>
> He said "I'm just an old Unix fart. Besides I"m beta testing for them
> and I like to keep my hand in."
>
> Thanks Jan, god bless you.
>
> Lennart, wise up.

I have to say both you and Lennart appeared to be talking past each other. In a 
normal boot process does the os pass through runlevel 2?

Because if it does then the fact that udev gets started in rc.S (typo?) and 
killed in runlevel 2 but you still have udev running is a mystery to me also.

At the very least what Lennart is trying to warn you about is that when you 
switch to runlevel 2, the K script is supposed to stop udev. Scripts beginning 
with K are kill scripts.

Ivan.
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