Solved Debian update - keyboard responsive, Lennart Sorrenson not so much

[Ori Idan]

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Ivan Avery Frey
<ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>wrote:

> On 29/10/11 11:17, Russell Reiter wrote:
>
>> Lennart, I don't know what it is about me that brings out the troll in
>> otherwise apparantly normal people. But there it is. When someone
>> bangs on me as hard as you did, I have to defend my position and that
>> position is, I quote you here:
>>
>> "In other words, don't take advice from people that don't know what they
>> are doing, ..."
>>
>> Well Lennart that's your opinion, here's mine.
>>
>> You had little desire to assist with the problem, until someone
>> thanked me for posting my experience. Then you tried to use your
>> belief in your own superior knowledge to belittle the solution, which
>> in fact was not my solution but simply a solution provided by someone
>> else experiencing the same difficulties.
>>
>> If you notice, what I did was not exactly the same as what was posted.
>> Not that it matters, or does it? You tell me you're the theorist, I'm
>> a system's integrator.  You have to remember who I am in all this, I
>> was helping the system operator restore functionality.
>>
>> Debian developers started using Dependency Based Boot around 2009.
>> Squeeze is the first to use it as default in a product release. It is
>> to deal with the fact the kernel is becoming more event driven. I
>> won't bore you with the abstract details of the transitional problems
>> of migration, even in respect of moving a temporary virtual file
>> system to a static one because you should know all this. However, you
>> apparantly don't care enough about the problem. Instead you try and
>> piss all over me when I asked a sincere question.
>>
>> What you didn't know, before you tried to pick on me, was where the
>> problem was sourced, yet you pretended you did and worse, you assumed
>> that I didn't.
>>
>> Here's some background on how Debian maintainers are dealing with
>> event driven kernels, which is what this is really all about.
>>
>> http://lists.debian.org/**debian-devel/2005/03/msg02640.**html<http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/03/msg02640.html>
>>
>> When I first joined this list there were about sixty users sharing
>> their experiences with integrating this OS into more mainstream use.
>>
>> I do my small bit to help users adapt. Much in the same way that my
>> old friend Jan Carlson did. One day I asked him why he sold me a cd
>> with Red Hat on it for five bucks at a TLUG meeting and then gave me
>> two thousand dollars worth of telephone support?
>>
>> He said "I'm just an old Unix fart. Besides I"m beta testing for them
>> and I like to keep my hand in."
>>
>> Thanks Jan, god bless you.
>>
>> Lennart, wise up.
>>
>
> I have to say both you and Lennart appeared to be talking past each other.
> In a normal boot process does the os pass through runlevel 2?
>
> Because if it does then the fact that udev gets started in rc.S (typo?)
> and killed in runlevel 2 but you still have udev running is a mystery to me
> also.
>
> At the very least what Lennart is trying to warn you about is that when
> you switch to runlevel 2, the K script is supposed to stop udev. Scripts
> beginning with K are kill scripts.
>
> As much as I remember, scripts prefix with K are executed as stop only
when you exit a runlevel,, that means that in this case udev is killed when
you exit the system (or switch runlevel)

-- 
Ori Idan
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