Linux drove me to get a Mac

[Jamon Camisso]

Kamran Khan wrote:
> 
> On 9-Jan-09, at 8:28 PM, Jamon Camisso wrote:
> 
>> Kamran Khan wrote:
>>> Well the Open Source Community lives in one Universe the rest of the 
>>> world lives in another.
>>
>> Last time I checked, half the websites on the web use apache, and I'm 
>> sure almost every email you send passes through a mailserver running 
>> Linux somewhere along the line. Quite an intrusion of one universe 
>> into another.
> 
> You missed the point.

You haven't really made one that I can respond to in a meaningful way. 
In one sentence, what exactly is it that you are trying to say about all 
of us?

   I am talking about the model the Open Source
> Community wants the world to adhere to.  I don't want to go with this 
> endless banter with these silly counter points.

So why do you keep posting to this thread? Is Linux like a sore tooth in 
your mouth that you just have to keep going back to and poking despite 
the pain it causes you? Just can't stay away when there are functional 
members of society and companies who's thoughts, opinions, and desires 
are such an anathema to yours?

Call them what you will, but you haven't posted any reasoned arguments 
supporting your claims, and I feel rather hard done by taking the time 
to post my objections only to be dismissed as engaging in silly banter :(

Perhaps stepping back a little and interrogating why it is you have such 
an averse reaction to open source would get to the root idea of what it 
is that you're trying to say.

   The only thing I found
> interesting is that you would go and ask a chef for a valuable recipe 
> for free.  What kind of man doesn't even want to pay someone for his 
> work.  You people are scary.  If you want to be zealots of Linux by all 
> means huddle at the Linux Caffe, I'll gladly spend my money at the Apple 
> Store.  It is just operating systems to most people.

It must be something more to the people on this list, including 
yourself, why else would you keep trolling?

   You really don't
> know what you are talking about when it comes to virtualization, Novell, 
> cloud computing, IBM etc.  The reason I say I do because I spent months 
> with both of them and I have an excellent idea of what they intend with 
> all of the technologies including Linux.

That's great, they have intentions. The rest of us are using and 
profiting from open source already. Specifically zen and kvm 
virtualization, notwithstanding Novel or IBM's intentions. Again, with 
open source, I don't have to care about what Novel or IBM intend, I can 
use it pretty much how I like, and am already. I eagerly await the 
latest and greatest from both to see what new innovations they come up 
with, but I don't have to use it, their intentions be damned.

And I do get virtualization, I've been working at a hosting company who 
offer virtual Linux servers for 2 years now. Let me tell you, I'm really 
excited by the prospects of things like ZFS and Xen. Private network, 
Xen hosts with an attached ZFS pool = little cloud. There's a time and 
place for small and large, and I can't control amazon's s3 or ec2.

Oh and note too that if either company you worked for canned any or all 
of their kernel developers, there's a large pool of talent and other 
companies to pick up the slack too, consider: 
http://lwn.net/Articles/222773/

   Furthermore I generally find
> that I have little use for the banter on the LUG and in retrospect I 
> should have not posted anything that you Linux zealots find contrary to 
> your cause.

It sounds like our mere existence is contrary to your cause, which 
you've still failed to elucidate.

   Sit in your Linux corner, let the Microsoft people sit in
> theirs, let the Apple people in theirs.  I'll continue to bounce to 
> better and better platforms.

That's exactly what we don't need. Divide and conquer is a pretty 19th 
and 20th century mindset. In fact, Microsoft tried it with Novell a few 
years back and RedHat is still alive and well. There is no reason people 
can't collaborate in a meaningful way regardless of their operating 
system of choice. That LWN.net link I posted above, take a good look at 
the various companies who should by all rights count each other as 
competitors.

How is it that Novel, Redhat, IBM, Intel all employ people who commit to 
the Linux kernel, despite being competitors with each other? It's called 
collaboration, where every vendor has a shared interest in the successes 
of the others. It's also called competition, where each has a vested 
interest in offering better support or development than their 
competitors. Competition and collaboration, pretty powerful combination 
when you consider how much of everyone's day to day communication is 
conducted via open source software.

Regards, Jamon
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