Of Linus, KDE, and mouse buttons

[JoeHill]

CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: 

> JoeHill wrote (but Clifford apparently did not read):
> >>> That one desktop environment should just give him everything he wants.
> >>> Great, but unfortunately then you end up with...KDE, the most ridiculous
> >>> and bloated crap imagineable.   
> >> Such superlatives -- especially launched at a system many people appear
> >> to have had far less problem mastering -- don't help make a case. I for
> >> one can certainly imagine -- and have even used -- software far more
> >> bloated and less ridiculous.  
> > 
> > Not a question of mastering anything, a question of using without getting
> > frustrated. You actually kinda sound like the Gnome developers who are
> > criticized for 'blaming the user'. If there's something that KDE or Gnome
> > just can't or won't do, there's no way to 'master' doing it, is there?  
> 
> Between a shell and KDE, I cannot think of things that I need to do that 
> I cannot.
> 
> >>> Using the KDE file selection dialogue is less fun than stepping on a nail.
> >>> Last time I checked, they still had not figured out the concept of 'drag
> >>> and drop'.   
> >> Works for me. YMMV, I guess.  
> > 
> > I suppose it might only work if you have the full K desktop installed,
> > which I don't. Any K apps I've tried to use, like Amarok and Qdvdauthor, do
> > not seem to understand drag and drop at all, and navigating the file
> > chooser dialogue is just a headache. It doesn't even respond to the
> > mousewheel.   
> 
> Drag/drop works fine for me too and yes, I have a full KDE desktop 
> installed. To blame KDE for supposedly lacking functionality without 
> installing the KDE desktop is just plain silly. I just don't see what is 
> so difficult about navigating get/put file dialogs in KDE. If anything, 
> it is better than the alternatives I have tried because it is inherently 
> network-aware. With KDE, I can put/get files to/from remote servers 
> using a number of protocols.

I did not say "I've never had KDE installed", I said "I don't have it
installed".

> >>> There is a very good reason why most applications are developed using
> >>> GTK,  
> 
> News to me. I see plenty of applications built using other frameworks too.

I didn't say "all", I said "most".
 
> >>> and now more and more PyGTK. The same reason that the best desktop
> >>> environment there is, XFCE4,    
> 
> Best for you, not for me or millions of others who use KDE or Gnome or 
> other desktops. I have detailed here before how Xfce is not as 
> "lightweight" as people claim it is. I have used it and find nothing 
> attractive or compelling about it but if you like it, more power to you. 
> I like the Qt framework and I really like how I can extend KDE 
> applications using Kparts. This is what OpenDoc was supposed to be. I 
> started with PyGTK before PyQt and the main reason I made the switch was 
> due to the immaturity of the framework and poor documentation.

I mentioned nothing at all, anywhere, about XFCE being more lightweight.

Please only respond if you are in fact literate.

-- 
JoeHill
++++++++++++++++++++
Amy: "Bender, your beer belly's so big your door won't even close. And that
 doesn't even make sense." 
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