Debating web development toolsets

[Kareem Shehata]

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> Christopher Browne
> Sent: Monday 07 January 2008 22:54
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> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Debating web development toolsets
> 
> On Jan 7, 2008 10:26 PM, Myles Braithwaite <myles-Ufssi81vwmMSKvlGVnxYRVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
> > Bad stupid. If you want to learn about web development stay far away
> > from RoR.
> 
> 100% agreed.
> 
> All reports I see are that RoR defines a data access model that pretty
> much precludes any sort of "managed version migration."

The more I hear, the more I'm starting to think that RoR is great for
developing "the typical website" but falls flat as soon as you go outside
what it was designed for.
 
> > > That's pretty much what I'm looking for: something that can start
> > > small and
> > > grow big, with solid support.  How well does it interface databases?
> >
> > Python has great support for databases.
> 
> Absolutely.  They've got APIs to pretty well any database you should
> be considering.

That's promising.  How easy is it to generate a PDF report in python?  Much
as I hated Crystal Reports for its flakyness, I have to admit they made
producing simple reports really easy.
 
> For a really different view on things, I'd suggest taking a peek at
> the Andromeda Project.
> 
> http://www.andromeda-project.org/
> 
> I'm not sure how usable it is, at this point; the notion of it is to
> have a large portion of the code that you write represent declarations
> describing business rules, as opposed to the frequent alternatives of:
> 
>  a) Business rules being defined in an ad-hoc fashion mixed in with
> GUI widget code
> 
>       (One might think this couldn't scale; the Germans have gotten it
> to, as that's how SAP R/3 was implemented...)
> 
>  b)  Business rules being defined within a "business layer API" which
> may or may not always actually get used
> 
>  c)  As declarations in the DBMS
> 
> Somehow, the notion of starting out by implementing in PHP doesn't
> fill me with confidence in the likely results, but I'd rather see more
> experiments like Andromeda out there; people might learn something
> from them...

Wow, that is a really cool idea!  If it were more established, I would
consider it, but it's too young for this project.

Thanks,

-kms


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