TOC Linux
Rick Tomaschuk
rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org
Thu Mar 2 16:50:35 UTC 2006
Often companies buy into proprietary software which is convenient and
then learn that they are subject to ridiculous EULAs (end user license
agreements). While open source does present some challenges (they) are
not as threatening to your freedom as some EULAS. What is really
surprising is that some large software companies, even with all their
vast financial resources are unable to produce a secure and reliable
product.
RickT
http://www.TorontoNUI.ca
On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 13:13 -0500, Randy Jonasz wrote:
> Thanks Paul.
>
> The articles you mention look really interesting. One aspect of the
> debate between proprietary and open source which I had not considered
> is availability. How much downtime do Windows computers have versus
> Linux. Everytime you update Windows, a reboot is most likely
> required, while only the updated process on Linux needs to be
> restarted. I mean should we rely on Windows for air traffic control
> software? How much money is lost due to downtime? Then again you
> have to consider training costs for both applications as well in your
> consideration.
>
> If you strip away the hype, politics and fud, the issue is an
> interesting one.
>
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Randy
>
> On 2/27/06, Paul Sutton <zen14920-1HOZaDBbGgxaa/9Udqfwiw at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> Have a look at this site, it may be useful for your
> project, but
> remember to list all sources of informatiion in a
> bibliography, The
> article near the top on the right hand side, may be
> interesting,
>
> # Why OSS/FS? Look at the Numbers! (Paper) [Popular]
> # Why FLOSS? Look at the Numbers! (Presentation) [Popular]
>
> http://www.dwheeler.com/
>
> I guess one thing to consier is
>
> 1. If you replace Linux on the server, this is only a few
> computers,
> and as your a technican you are able to learn the software,
> 2. If you replace windows on the desktop, you are dealing with
> users (I
> am in no way suggesting users are incapable, I know people
> who use
> computers but would rather, not, use them, where as others
> are a bit
> more open to chanage, while other users, are technically
> minded and will
> fiddle, and learn and be happy with a good manual on the
> software and
> don't need much help) suddenly expecting people used to
> windows and MS
> office to start using Linux / Open offiice isa big jump for
> some, while
> not for others, so I guess you should take this into
> consideration
>
> Perhaps price out gradual changes, i.e change MS office to
> Openoffice at
> the next upgrade cycle, or even before that give copies of
> Open office
> away to staff, and help them learn (books like sams tys
> openoffice.org
> are a good start. and I guess reasonable price.
>
> Retraining costs, to the new software, lots of people can
> train staff in
> MS office, therefore a company that can train on OO.org may
> take
> advantage of what they see as a smaller market and charge
> more. Take
> into account in house or external training.
>
> Retraining HR staff to look out for people with Linux desktop
> and Open
> office skills. How many people are able to just switch, I
> have no
> problem with this but Im 30 and have been using computers for
> long
> enough now to be able to just move to new platforms/
>
> Bye toc I assume you meant TCO (Total Cost of Ownership), you
> could
> look at costs of virus / spyware infection. etc. And
> generally when are
> you going to make the changes, how long will this take, and
> if you
> have to close the office, will the company lose money, and is
> this
> ofset by the overall savings of using Linux on the desktop.
>
> Another thing on the desktop is - full desktop install vs
> ltsp,
> benefits, and overall cost of mainenance, i.e with ltsp is
> centralised,
> and centralised data storage, therefore if a users computer
> breaks down,
> just take it out of the network and plug in a working
> one, all user
> data, settings are pulled from central server.
>
> Are these suggestions any help.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> Randy Jonasz wrote:
>
> > Hey everybody,
> >
> > I'd like some help doing my homework. :) My project group
> at Mohawk
> > college have to give a panel discussion on the benefits of
> Linux on
> > the corporate desktop versus proprietary solutions aka
> Microsoft. I'm
> > doing some reading of my own on TOC, but I'd like to survey
> some
> > opinions on tlug.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > --
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