[GTALUG] Programming languages (in comparison?) - -was Learn Swift for Apple/iOS. Learn ??? for Google/Android.

[Steve Petrie, P.Eng.]

Pls. see comments below.
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  From: o1bigtenor via talk 
  To: D. Hugh Redelmeier ; GTALUG Talk 
  Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 6:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Programming languages (in comparison?) - -was Learn Swift for Apple/iOS. Learn ??? for Google/Android.



  On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 11:27 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <talk at gtalug.org> wrote:

    | From: o1bigtenor via talk <talk at gtalug.org>

    | On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 12:06 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <
    | talk at gtalug.org> wrote:

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  I have a contact [contract?] that doesn't allow any javascript - - - I'm starting to 

  wonder if that might be quite preferable to the bs that the web is becoming. 

  +1 !!!

  A couple of years ago, I developed a simple PHP web app that registers members of a club in an SQL database (first using MySQL, then switched to PosgreSQL but now planning to switch to BerkeleyDB for "zero admin" simplicity.), 

  This simple PHP web app enables visitors to join the club, manage their club subscription and also serves club members premiunm content. (The PHP app is fully tested but not yet online.) 

  here are a few static pages for the same website already demoed online at http://aspetrie.net/ But the PHP app is not online yet.And the website is not yet operating under its eventual domain name. And be advised that there has been no tuning done at all for the web page demo site.

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  I've always been an engineer with a ferocious focus on resource efficiency. Being a frugal SOB, retired and with few time pressures, I still use a plain old twisted-copper-pair landline telephone dialup modem connection for my Internet access (usually connnects at around 46 Kbps (that's K bits per second). There's always something else useful I can do, while waiting for bloated web pages that take a long time to load.

  When I designed the website and PHP app, I set a 10-second maximum page load time target for users on slow landline dialup connections. Same deal for static pages as for dynamic pages served by the PHP app.

  The technology that this website promotes is a highly democratic solution to expressway traffic congestion, a solution that treats all drivers, rich and poor, with exactly the same priority and respect.

  So the website also has to convey the same overriding ethic -- all visitors are welcome, and their time is equally valuable, so even the Internet user who can barely afford any Internet connection at all, should get pages displayed with maximum 10-second response time.

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  No way was I ever going to buy in to all that Javascript BS.

  It makes absoutely no sense to me that a web app would presumptuously load the same Javascript crud again and again, into every single instance of web browser visitng my website. Wasting bandwidth. Wasting time.

  So, I decided that the web browser using my website and PHP app, is just going to be a plain HTML2 "dumb terminal". The webaite and PHP app should work with the lowest common denominator among web browsers.

  Simplicity rocks !!

  Steve

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