[GTALUG] looking for a secondary mx service

Sun Oct 30 22:45:59 EDT 2016

Why secondary at all.

If your mail server is down then queuing up mail for later deliver  
happens on the client mail servers.

So long as your mail server is not down for days or weeks and at that 
point the mail will bounce back.

It will likely bounce back from a secondary mx if it is on hold that 
long also.

The downside of an external mx secondary is that is in essence becomes 
an open relay for your primary mail server unless you install spam 
filtering on the server.

I ran some secondary servers for people and found in the long run they 
were more pain than they were worth.

If your determined to run a secondary then you could put up a version of 
postfix on a virtual or container hosting service like Amazon,Google,1&1 
....

On 10/30/2016 08:51 PM, Dave Cramer via talk wrote:
> Steve,
>
> All I'm looking for is someone to handle 4 domains as the 2nd mx. This 
> means they forward to the primary as long as the primary is up.
>
> thanks for the detail, but this needn't be so complicated
>
> Dave Cramer
>
> On 30 October 2016 at 20:38, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. 
> <apetrie at aspetrie.net <mailto:apetrie at aspetrie.net>> wrote:
>
>     Hello Dave,
>
>     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Cramer via talk"
>     <talk at gtalug.org <mailto:talk at gtalug.org>>
>     To: "GTALUG" <talk at gtalug.org <mailto:talk at gtalug.org>>
>     Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:04 PM
>     Subject: [GTALUG] looking for a secondary mx service
>
>
>         I have 4 domains that I need a secondary mx service for.
>
>         Suggestions?
>
>
>     Not sure what you mean by " secondary" mx service, but if you're
>     asking for suggestions for a good email hosting service, I can
>     recommend SiteGround www.siteground.com <http://www.siteground.com>
>
>     * * *
>     * * *
>
>     I was using AT&T for many many years for my email hosting
>     (inherited them when IBM sold off their email hosting service
>     (ibmglobal.net <http://ibmglobal.net>) to AT&T.
>
>     Was never happy with AT&T. Some beautiful screw-ups ... Plus
>     absurdly know-nothing AT&T technical "support" people.
>
>     Wanted for a long time to switch from my apetrie at attglobal.net
>     <mailto:apetrie at attglobal.net> email address to my own domain name
>     apetrie at aspetrie.net <mailto:apetrie at aspetrie.net> but was
>     intimidated by the amount of work this would entail.
>
>     Then AT&T did me a huge favour, by announcing many months in
>     advance, the planned termination of their existing attglobal.net
>     <http://attglobal.net> email hosting service.
>
>     * * *
>     * * *
>
>     The upside of using one's own email domain name, of course, is
>     that once it's set up, and all the work is done of: 1. informing
>     your list of recipients, and 2. updating every place on the
>     Internet, where you are registered using your email address as
>     your identifier,
>
>     is that in the future, if you are unhappy with your email hosting
>     service, you can switch to a new email hosting provider without
>     having to go through all the work emtailed in changing the email
>     address. Because, of course, the email address stays the same. You
>     just point your MX records to the new service provider, and say
>     "bye bye" to the old service provider.
>
>     * * *
>     * * *
>
>     Once AT&T announced their planned email service shutdown, I spent
>     a huge amount of time researching email hosting service providers
>
>     I tested three different email hosting services (going to the
>     trouble of setting up a test domain for each, and sending and
>     receiving test messages) and walked way from every one, for one
>     reason or another. Most;ly because of the lack of quality
>     technical support. It's a jungle out there !! But you already know
>     that.
>
>     I actually went to live production email operation with the second
>     of these three providers, and used them for my production email
>     for a few months. But I decided not to stay with them, because I
>     didn't like the attitude of their tech support people. They were
>     technically very competent, but seemed to take a confrontational
>     approach to clients.
>
>     So I kept searching, and after almost giving up, I settled on
>     www.siteground.com <http://www.siteground.com> Made the switchover
>     to SG on 2 July 2015. No regrets yet ...
>
>     * * *
>     * * *
>
>     SiteGround (SG) are actually focused on website hosting, not email
>     hosting. But they happen to offer email hosting (SMTP, IMAP, POP3)
>     as part of their web hosting packages. I haven't set up a website
>     at SG yet, but I did create an FTP account on SG for someone I'm
>     working with. That works fine, too.
>
>     I have been very happy with SG. Their technical support is
>     excellent. Works through a good ticketing system. The staff are
>     very knowledgeable and very responsive. Very literate, too. Always
>     (so far) giving complete correct answers, using connected
>     sentences. Nailed the usual startup problems very quickly.
>
>     The only times I have actually had recourse to SG tech support
>     was: 1. during the original switchover to SG, 2. when an email I
>     sent was rejected by the SG SMTP server, because it had more than
>     40 recipients, and 3. when I upgraded the SG hosting plan so I
>     could send an email to more than 40 recipients.
>
>     The SG help pages and FAQ I have found to be useful. Love the CPANEL.
>
>     And of course the main thing -- never had any email service down
>     time (yet) with SG.
>
>     * * *
>     * * *
>
>     SG are not the cheapest provider, but I long ago stopped looking
>     for the cheapest service of any kind on the Internet. I'm very
>     focused on value for money. And in my opinion, SG give excellent
>     value for the money they charge.
>
>     Naturally, you will need to do your own research. SG don't do
>     short-term deals. And if you go with SG, your results may differ ...
>
>     Hope this helps.
>
>     Steve
>
>     apetrie at aspetrie.net <mailto:apetrie at aspetrie.net>
>     (905) 847-3253 <tel:%28905%29%20847-3253>
>
>     P.S. One rule I follow with hosting services. I always use a
>     different provider for DNS hosting (in my case it's Namecheap),
>     than for the Internet server (e.g. website, email, ftp) hosting.
>
>     If I run into a dispute with the (e.g. website, email, ftp) server
>     hosting service, I don't want them to be able to cause me grief by
>     holding my DNS registration setup to ransom. This split makes it a
>     little more complicated (you don't get the same slick DNS
>     integration, if you e.g. upgrade your hosting service plan, and
>     this points you to a server with a different IP address).
>
>     But in my opinion, the complete independence of control over the
>     DNS setup is well worth the extra complication.
>
>
>         Dave Cramer
>
>
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