[GTALUG] mysterious restarts

[Bob Jonkman]

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Alvin wrote:
> The hydrogen to power process works quite well.
> The problem is getting hydrogen into a convenient storage format.

A few (10?) years ago I head a Science Friday show with guest George
Olah where he made a strong case for using hydrogen, but storing and
transporting it as methanol. It can be used directly (burned), have the
hydrogen stripped off and used in hydrogen fuel cells, and there are
methanol fuel cells. Methanol can be produced directly from carbon
dioxide. But the best part was that since methanol is a liquid, all our
current gasoline distribution and storage can be used without a
fundamental change in infrastructure. Don't know why this hasn't taken
off...

- --Bob.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol_economy

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On 2016-06-15 11:03 PM, Alvin Starr via talk wrote:
> On 06/15/2016 06:09 PM, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote:
>> On 2016-06-15 04:29 PM, Russell Reiter wrote:
>>> I always thought it a shame that the windmill was only used to generate
>>> hydrogen for the hybrid fleet. It would have been nice to have it feed
>>> the grid
>> It *always* has fed the grid. That hydrogen station coincidentally
>> connected to the grid, and their claim that all the power for their
>> process came from the turbine was utterly wrong. We tried to get them to
>> change their plaque, but they wouldn't. I think the H₂ station has gone
>> now.
>>
>> The whole Hydrogen Economy thing kind of fizzled out a few years ago.
>> The coolest and cleverest hydrogen energy thing in the province, though,
>> sits and runs quietly in a nondescript box at Sheppard E & Vic Park.
>> Most people don't know it's there.
>>
> 
> The Hydrogen Economy did not quite fizzle so much as changes in
> government pushed R&D into oil.
> We installed a fuel cell based backup power system at Victoria and
> Adelaide.
> The system worked as billed and life was good till the Sunrise propane
> explosion changed the rules about getting H2 delivered  and Schneider
> bought APC to leverage the large lead acid battery customer base.
> 
> Hydrogenics the manufacturers of the fuel cells is actually doing an OK
> business in speciality applications like stationary power and indoor
> power for things like forklifts.
> 
> The hydrogen to power process works quite well.
> The problem is getting hydrogen into a convenient storage format.
> 
> 
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