[GTALUG] Seeking help with a unique Linux project?

Tue Dec 15 15:27:46 UTC 2015

Hi Blaise,
one of two.
Thanks for the off list invitation!  I shall certainly write you, but at 
least  given another post, will keep some of this on list.
i am posting the  software options  in that reply.  still can you explain, 
or can others give examples of low latency kernels?
What a fascinating idea.
More in a moment,
Kare

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015, Blaise Alleyne wrote:

> Hi Karen,
>
> Thanks for the additional details!
>
> I'm Debian-based these days, with the KXStudio repositories for current audio
> production software and a low latency liquorix kernel, though I'm also still
> running Ubuntu Studio on my home desktop.
>
>
> One thing that may be a challenge (for which others on the list might have more
> knowledge) is your issue with speech in post-Squeeze Linux kernels. For pro
> audio work, the standard Squeeze kernel isn't going to be great... you want a
> low latency kernel if you want notes to play when you press them on a MIDI
> keyboard, or to be able to play back audio from several instrument sources at
> the same time reliably, nevermind to record any audio reliably.
>
> So I'm not sure how you solve that problem -- an older low latency kernel
> perhaps, which supports your speech hardware requirements but also pro audio?
> I'm not quite sure.
>
> (Also, are you using JACK yet? That may be another challenge with speech
> software, though an ALSA or Pulseaudio bridge may do the trick.)
>
>
> Beyond that, maybe best to take the discussion off-list? Feel free to email me
> at blaise at apeironmusic.com.
>
>
> Blaise
>
>
> On 15/12/15 01:11 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> Hello Blaise,
>> Thanks so very much in advance for the wisdom I feel sure you can provide.
>> I honestly admit  to being a touch of a singer snob who imagines one can only
>> perform  live with well other live people smiles.
>> So when Bob wrote of your creating, I confess I got rather curious as well.
>> As for command line music making  tools, there are actually rather a few I  am
>> learning.  I am compiling a list with links, since I do not know yet your
>> distribution of preference, or exactly how you work.
>> Articulating my desires musically may make more sense than the ssh telnet aspect
>> truth be told.
>> In all honesty however, I cannot say with hands on firmness that I can drive the
>> car where I wish to go.
>> I was more of a singer / arranger than a songwriter until the past few years.
>> Now I have all this music I desire moving from the studio in my head and heart
>> onto sheet music, into performing form, as I am sure you can understand.
>>  Since I am writing full arrangements, all the parts with my lyrics, I want to
>> play all of the parts, piano, strings, guitar etc.,  that are in my head and then
>>  get the completed work into sheet certainly both audio and sheet possibly.
>> How I imagine doing this, is with a quality   piano / keyboard that also has
>> several additional instrument options to simulate sound wise for composition
>> only for now at least, the other instrument's for which I am writing.
>> <Still awake?>
>> Now, this is where my visual memory, blended with my lack of first hand Linux
>> experience starts to get a bit...well hopeful.
>> I imagine connecting said piano / keyboard  to the m-audio audiophile 2496 sound
>> card I have in mind,  using any one of the dozen or so tools for the command
>> line I am finding  are included in Debian, writing each part one at a time,
>> putting the piece together, and transferring the completed work to a composing
>> package, you referenced Lillypoind,  which is terrific, but  there are a couple
>> more.
>> I am hunting the instrument along with the talent for the Linux side of my desire.
>> The older the better in a way, I tend to be a buttons kind of girl, not a touch
>> screen one.
>> Granted I know some keyboards have  multi-track sequencers built in. Letting me
>> <I think?  compose entirely on said keyboard and transfer the finished
>> product...strong emphasis on the  I think.
>> There may be another way that I have not considered, I mean besides the
>> traditional way  of doing the recording, I am a radio producer too, so have pro
>> tools, a mac  a control surface etc. etc.
>> Still I would rather use Linux because I know the composition  programs exist,
>> that i may be able to script in Linux some of what I need...not me, but tap into
>> some sources for this.  There is no real program for composition  mac wise,
>> certainly not going back to the edition I am using to run my pro tools setup.
>> The ssh-telnet aspect simply lets me treat the Linux box like a server, running
>> the commands  from  my main computer where I am already comfortable, both with
>> my speech synthesizer,  and in a small way  with the command line based on my
>> daily use of a comparative Linux shell.
>> Oh that reminds me, I spoke of issues with speech in more  current Linux
>> Kernels.  This is because the ability to use a hardware source for speech no
>> longer exists in the new ones, like in Jessie.  Only software speech which for
>> me is out of the question.
>> One can compile the new distribution with the older Kennel, but that. is. way!!!
>> beyond me laughs.
>> Is all this making more sense?
>> Will have those programs for you tomorrow.
>> Thanks for joining the adventure!
>> I likewise thank you Bob for inviting Blaise to the party.
>> Kare
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2015, Blaise Alleyne wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Karen,
>>>
>>> I don't have very much experience with command line tools for music in
>>> GNU/Linux, barring some pretty simple uses (encoding, monitoring MIDI notes,
>>> making minor edits to sheet music typeset in Lilypond generated by Rosegarden).
>>> But I have taken a head-first dive into audio production in GNU/Linux over the
>>> past few years, and I use it for live performance and for composition and home
>>> recording. I'd also be personally interested in at least some command line tools
>>> for doing some of the things I currently do in GUIs.
>>>
>>> I don't think I fully understand what you're trying to do (both musically, or
>>> with the SSH component), but hopefully I can be of some assistance. Very curious
>>> to learn more about what you're hoping to do in case I can help!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Blaise
>>>
>>> ps thanks for pinging me, Bob!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/12/15 06:38 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>>> Wow that must have been amazing.  The Linux audio list at yahoo groups is full
>>>> of people mostly in Europe who use command line Linux tools for their music
>>>> work, some of them are authors of packages included.
>>>> Still it would be fun to witness it firsthand.
>>>> Kare
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2015, Bob Jonkman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> At Software Freedom Day we had a great presentation on using Free
>>>> Software for Musical Performance by Blaise Alleyne. He was using
>>>> graphical tools for his performance, but has the Music-On-Linux part
>>>> covered. He may have expertise in command-line musical performance
>>>> tools too. I'll ping him with this message.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what it would take to convince Blaise to haul his studio
>>>> equipment up to the room at Ryerson to do his presentation for
>>>> GTALUG... :)
>>>>
>>>> --Bob.
>>>>
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>>>> On 10/12/15 07:17 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>>>>>> greetings everyone, My name is Karen.  I have only recently found
>>>>>>> this LUG, and joined the talk list. I am a professional singer/
>>>>>>> songwriter and media producer with a unique Linux goal. I wish to
>>>>>>> make use of the varied console or command line based tools in Linux
>>>>>>> for my composition work, and if possible for accessing media
>>>>>>> materials too. I use adaptive technology, which is part of why my
>>>>>>> desire is to ssh telnet into my Linux box rather than work with it
>>>>>>> directly. I tend to prefer more traditional tools.  for example one
>>>>>>> sound card in this box will be an m-audio audiofile 2496
>>>>>>> production card to which I will be attaching my music keyboard. In
>>>>>>> any case while I have some of the tools I require, and firm
>>>>>>> knowledge that my goals are possible. I have not, at least not
>>>>>>> until now, found a Linux users group in Toronto where I can get the
>>>>>>> extra wisdom required. I am very used to Linux and UNIX based shell
>>>>>>> structures. I am using one at this moment  based in freedsb, to
>>>>>>> draft my email, and use another based in Ubuntu for my nonprofit
>>>>>>> media newsroom's hosting account. Such is also part of why I want
>>>>>>> to start with a comparative way to use my Linux box.  I would
>>>>>>> rather begin with a foundation where I can make use of and learn
>>>>>>> more right away, than fail to use the Linux box well at all. Let me
>>>>>>> be sure  my post is suitable before both asking and answering
>>>>>>> questions. Thanks in advance, Karen
>>>>>>>
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