From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 2 01:42:21 2014 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 21:42:21 -0400 Subject: Teksavvy down all day Message-ID: Surprizingly, this webmail and GMail seem to be working, although no other internet sites are accessible. Anyone know what's happening? -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 2 01:45:02 2014 From: lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 21:45:02 -0400 Subject: Teksavvy down all day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5405211E.8040701@alteeve.ca> They're claiming Bell botched an update that they didn't warn resellers about. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r29502686-DSL-DSL-Outage-~start=480 digimer On 01/09/14 09:42 PM, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Surprizingly, this webmail and GMail seem to be working, although no other > internet sites are accessible. > > Anyone know what's happening? > > -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 2 01:54:36 2014 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 21:54:36 -0400 Subject: Teksavvy down all day In-Reply-To: <5405211E.8040701-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <5405211E.8040701@alteeve.ca> Message-ID: I heard similar to Digimer's report... I also heard something to the effect that authentication was the component where things were breaking. I suspect DNS got mussed with, as a friend had resolution failures indicated, which is curiously consistent with Peter's observation; I have the lurking suspicion that if you ran your own BIND pointing to root servers, the problem might have been strangely invisible :-) Presumably addresses for gmail and gtalug were being cached... On Sep 1, 2014 9:45 PM, "Digimer" wrote: > They're claiming Bell botched an update that they didn't warn resellers > about. > > http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r29502686-DSL-DSL-Outage-~start=480 > > digimer > > On 01/09/14 09:42 PM, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> Surprizingly, this webmail and GMail seem to be working, although no other >> internet sites are accessible. >> >> Anyone know what's happening? >> >> >> > > -- > Digimer > Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ > What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without > access to education? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 3 15:19:49 2014 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 15:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: bash script issue References: Message-ID: D. Hugh Redelmeier writes: > I don't remember an ordinary shell context where a pathname can be > confused with number. Can you give an example? Ordinary not, but: echo $((07+1)) -> 8 (yes... why?) echo $((007+1)) -> 8 (hmm, must be Mr. Bond) echo $((077+1)) -> 64 (no kidding, 077oct is 64dec) echo $((078+1)) -> bash: 078: value too great for base (error token is "078") So if you do any math on any numbers for example numbered files like DCIM/IMG0077.jpg you WILL likely be bitten. I think the 1st application where I was bitten was many years ago trying to figure out missing and duplicate IMGnnnnn.jpg files in a large recovered image directory. I also tried to be clever and rename files such that there would be no gaps upon finding missing files, in one pass. That did not go well, I had a 10% or so file loss when done. There are many other 'opportunities' to get bitten. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 3 22:55:43 2014 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 18:55:43 -0400 Subject: bash script issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140903225543.GA9204@waltdnes.org> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 03:19:49PM +0000, Peter wrote > D. Hugh Redelmeier writes: > > > I don't remember an ordinary shell context where a pathname can be > > confused with number. Can you give an example? > > Ordinary not, but: > > echo $((07+1)) -> 8 (yes... why?) > echo $((007+1)) -> 8 (hmm, must be Mr. Bond) > echo $((077+1)) -> 64 (no kidding, 077oct is 64dec) > echo $((078+1)) -> bash: 078: value too great for base (error token is "078") > > So if you do any math on any numbers for example numbered files like > DCIM/IMG0077.jpg you WILL likely be bitten. I think the 1st application > where I was bitten was many years ago trying to figure out missing and > duplicate IMGnnnnn.jpg files in a large recovered image directory. I also > tried to be clever and rename files such that there would be no gaps upon > finding missing files, in one pass. That did not go well, I had a 10% or so > file loss when done. There are many other 'opportunities' to get bitten. I use bash in many cases where other people would use "R" or whatever. Leading zeros in numbers come up so often, I've written my own function to handle the situation. You can include it at the top of a program like so... #!/bin/bash # # bash treats leading zeros as indicating octal, freaks out on 08 or 09, # and numbers 010 and above are just plain wrong. So strip leading zeros. strip_leading_0() { stripped="${1}" # # Leave plain "0" alone. Only strip zeros if string is longer # than one character. while [ ${#stripped} -gt 1 ] && [ "${stripped:0:1}" == "0" ] do stripped=${stripped:1} done export stripped } ... # # "Sanitize" numeric variable foobar strip_leading_0 ${foobar} foobar=${stripped} ...or you can set up and load a common function library as shown at http://bash.cyberciti.biz/guide/Shell_functions_library -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From qwerty172-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 3 23:18:25 2014 From: qwerty172-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bill Thanis) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 19:18:25 -0400 Subject: bash script issue In-Reply-To: <20140903225543.GA9204-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20140903225543.GA9204@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: echo $((078+1)) -> bash: 078: value too great for base (error token is "078") Octal has digits 0-7 8 is not a number in octal. Bill On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 03:19:49PM +0000, Peter wrote > > D. Hugh Redelmeier writes: > > > > > I don't remember an ordinary shell context where a pathname can be > > > confused with number. Can you give an example? > > > > Ordinary not, but: > > > > echo $((07+1)) -> 8 (yes... why?) > > echo $((007+1)) -> 8 (hmm, must be Mr. Bond) > > echo $((077+1)) -> 64 (no kidding, 077oct is 64dec) > > echo $((078+1)) -> bash: 078: value too great for base (error token is > "078") > > > > So if you do any math on any numbers for example numbered files like > > DCIM/IMG0077.jpg you WILL likely be bitten. I think the 1st application > > where I was bitten was many years ago trying to figure out missing and > > duplicate IMGnnnnn.jpg files in a large recovered image directory. I also > > tried to be clever and rename files such that there would be no gaps upon > > finding missing files, in one pass. That did not go well, I had a 10% or > so > > file loss when done. There are many other 'opportunities' to get bitten. > > I use bash in many cases where other people would use "R" or whatever. > Leading zeros in numbers come up so often, I've written my own function > to handle the situation. You can include it at the top of a program > like so... > > #!/bin/bash > # > # bash treats leading zeros as indicating octal, freaks out on 08 or 09, > # and numbers 010 and above are just plain wrong. So strip leading zeros. > strip_leading_0() { > stripped="${1}" > # > # Leave plain "0" alone. Only strip zeros if string is longer > # than one character. > while [ ${#stripped} -gt 1 ] && [ "${stripped:0:1}" == "0" ] > do > stripped=${stripped:1} > done > export stripped > } > ... > # > # "Sanitize" numeric variable foobar > strip_leading_0 ${foobar} > foobar=${stripped} > > ...or you can set up and load a common function library as shown at > http://bash.cyberciti.biz/guide/Shell_functions_library > > -- > Walter Dnes > I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 4 00:03:03 2014 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 20:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: bash script issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Aug 2014, Giles Orr wrote: > On 17 August 2014 13:53, William Muriithi wrote: > I have a list of files that have horrible names and it is forcing me > to improve the intelligence of a script I have been using to clean up > the system after the images have been processed. Sample names are as > below > > '004378858 (152).jpg' > '004384040.jpg' > '004382728.jpg' > '004383192.jpg' > '004375871.jpg' > '004378858 (179).jpg' > '004378858 (155).jpg' > '004378858 (187).jpg' > > > If i run either of the below commands on the console, it list them > properly as above. > > #LIST=`find /home/wmuriithi/images/? ?-type f | cut -d"/" -f4| sed 's@ > @\\ @g' | sed 's@[(]@\\(@' | sed 's@[)]@\\)@'` > #LIST=`find /home/wmuriithi/images/? ?-type f | cut -d"/" -f4|sed -e > "s/.*/'&'/"` > > If I run it on a loop, it breaks the file name into two if the name has a space > > for f in $LIST; > ? do > > ? ? ?mv /home/wmuriithi/images/"$f" /home/wmuriithi/archive/images/"$DATE"/ > #? ? echo "rm $f" >> processed.list > ? ? ?echo "rm $f" >> processed.list2 > > ? done > > I get this error: > > mv: cannot stat `/home/wmuriithi/images/\'004378858': No such file or directory > mv: cannot stat `/home/wmuriithi/images/(38).jpg\'': No such file or directory > mv: cannot stat `/home/wmuriithi/images/\'004378858': No such file or directory > mv: cannot stat `/home/wmuriithi/images/(53).jpg\'': No such file or directory > > Now, I am curious, why do I get different behaviours above?? What's a > better way of handling such a file name? > > Thanks in advance > > William > > > Others have made some cogent points about the use of parentheses and > spaces in file names that I won't repeat, except to say I agree.? > Another thing I'd strongly suggest is using the "basename" command > instead of "cut": your use of cut relies on knowing how deep in the > directory structure you are, and that makes the script very > fragile.? basename just grabs the terminal filename and discards > all the directories regardless of how deep you are in the directory > tree. There's no need for basename, cut, or any external command: path=/path/to/file echo "${path##*/} -- Chris F.A. Johnson, From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 4 00:07:55 2014 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 20:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: bash script issue In-Reply-To: <20140903225543.GA9204-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20140903225543.GA9204@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Walter Dnes wrote: ... > #!/bin/bash > # > # bash treats leading zeros as indicating octal, freaks out on 08 or 09, > # and numbers 010 and above are just plain wrong. So strip leading zeros. > strip_leading_0() { > stripped="${1}" > # > # Leave plain "0" alone. Only strip zeros if string is longer > # than one character. > while [ ${#stripped} -gt 1 ] && [ "${stripped:0:1}" == "0" ] > do > stripped=${stripped:1} > done > export stripped > } > ... > # > # "Sanitize" numeric variable foobar > strip_leading_0 ${foobar} > foobar=${stripped} $ q=0056789 $ echo "$((10#$q+1))" 56790 Or, if you want leading zeroes in the output: printf '%08d\n' "$((10#$q+1))" -- Chris F.A. Johnson, -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 4 02:37:23 2014 From: andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 22:37:23 -0400 Subject: Which process is using which audio playback device? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:29 PM, ted leslie wrote: > If you use TLP on Kubuntu, there are some reports of that causing issue > like you mention. > > -tl > > Thanks, that pointed me in the right direction. Seems it's a long-standing problem in the Ubuntu kernel at least, and has nothing to do with KDE. This post from Ubuntu 12.04 solved my problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/160882/popping-noise-from-laptop-speakers I only needed the first step for my Thinkpad T420 even though it does have HDA audio. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 4 12:13:51 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 08:13:51 -0400 Subject: Software Protection Initiative - Lightweight Portable Security Message-ID: <5408577F.6050909@rogers.com> I recently came across this, which may be useful for those worried about security: http://www.spi.dod.mil/lipose.htm -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 4 13:17:01 2014 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 09:17:01 -0400 Subject: Teksavvy down all day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK, I got it back up, with some help from a neighbour. On the Sagecom modem, you need to re-enter the authentication credentials - login name @teksavvy.com and password. Confusingly, the text on that page says: Residential customers: Your User ID starts with b1 followed by four letters and two digits (b1xxxx##) This applies to Bell but not Teksavvy. I sent an email to help-R6A+fiHC8nQU04JRNCRQjg at public.gmane.org It will be interesting to see how long it takes for them to respond. Why would the modem and network have the capability of erasing the login name on a modem? It seems like a strange feature. Peter > Surprizingly, this webmail and GMail seem to be working, although no other > internet sites are accessible. > > Anyone know what's happening? > > > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > http://www.syscompdesign.com > USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > 647-839-0325 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From paul-HzDep54A8sA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 4 20:11:46 2014 From: paul-HzDep54A8sA at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 16:11:46 -0400 Subject: Teksavvy down all day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi. I was down all morning on Monday as well; same Teksavvy problem. I futzed around with the modem for a bit, but in the end I put back my existing credentials and left it, and the problem fixed itself. As some people have said, I think the issue was with whatever authentication servers Teksavvy was using. The connection was okay, just my userid/password was coming back as invalid. In my environment I had configured the Sagemcom modem/router as a pass-through device to my Apple Time Capsule (which had the user/pw info), but in troubleshooting it, I changed it back to the default config, disabled the wifi, and configured the Time Capsule to work as a bridge (with wifi). Same difference, really. pm -- *Paul Mora* email: paul-HzDep54A8sA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 4 23:45:16 2014 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 19:45:16 -0400 Subject: bash script issue In-Reply-To: References: <20140903225543.GA9204@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20140904234516.GA13990@waltdnes.org> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 08:07:55PM -0400, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote > $ q=0056789 > $ echo "$((10#$q+1))" > 56790 > > Or, if you want leading zeroes in the output: > > printf '%08d\n' "$((10#$q+1))" Thanks. It's stuff like this that makes this mailing list worthwhile. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 5 00:06:43 2014 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 20:06:43 -0400 Subject: Teksavvy down all day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5408FE93.2000908@gmail.com> On 14-09-04 04:11 PM, Paul Mora wrote: > Hi. > > ? work as a bridge (with wifi). I have it much the same way; the Sagemcom is unconfigured, and my router sends the credentials. That way, I won't lose it if the modem is hard-reset, and it seems to keep retrying. Confuses the hell out of the Level 1 support, though. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jthiele-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 5 00:17:55 2014 From: jthiele-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (jon thiele) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 20:17:55 -0400 Subject: Teksavvy down all day In-Reply-To: <5408FE93.2000908-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <5408FE93.2000908@gmail.com> Message-ID: My dry loop went down at 6:36am on Saturday (I know the exact time due to pictures from some security cameras I run) but back up around noon hour. No other issues. The connection came back on it's own - didn't have to do anything... On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 14-09-04 04:11 PM, Paul Mora wrote: > > Hi. > > > > ? work as a bridge (with wifi). > > I have it much the same way; the Sagemcom is unconfigured, and my router > sends the credentials. That way, I won't lose it if the modem is > hard-reset, and it seems to keep retrying. > > Confuses the hell out of the Level 1 support, though. > > Stewart > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 5 02:43:57 2014 From: northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Thornton) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 22:43:57 -0400 Subject: Teksavvy down all day In-Reply-To: References: <5408FE93.2000908@gmail.com> Message-ID: FWIW My dry loop was down at 2:30 am and backup by 2:30 pm. odd that. David On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 8:17 PM, jon thiele wrote: > > My dry loop went down at 6:36am on Saturday (I know the exact time due to > pictures from some security cameras I run) but back up around noon hour. > No other issues. The connection came back on it's own - didn't have to do > anything... > > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Stewart C. Russell > wrote: > >> On 14-09-04 04:11 PM, Paul Mora wrote: >> > Hi. >> > >> > ? work as a bridge (with wifi). >> >> I have it much the same way; the Sagemcom is unconfigured, and my router >> sends the credentials. That way, I won't lose it if the modem is >> hard-reset, and it seems to keep retrying. >> >> Confuses the hell out of the Level 1 support, though. >> >> Stewart >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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If you save it into your Downloads directory, then simply: tar zxf microb.tgz cd microb make will run for maybe 5 minutes. I would like the complete screen capture for that whole session (it prints out some statistics about the machine it's on, and then the time for 3 runs of 5 *slightly* different micro benchmarks. Thanks, ../Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: microb.tgz Type: application/x-gzip Size: 6837 bytes Desc: not available URL: From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 5 17:37:16 2014 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 13:37:16 -0400 Subject: [OT] Looking for MEAN dev's Message-ID: My employer in Hamilton is currently looking for 1 or 2 experienced MEAN stack developers; competitive wages & telecommute is a possibility. Please ping me off-list if interested. -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 http://psema4.com/pubkey.txt http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 5 17:41:46 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:41:46 -0400 Subject: [OT] Looking for MEAN dev's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5409F5DA.8030200@rogers.com> On 09/05/2014 01:37 PM, Scott Elcomb wrote: > My employer in Hamilton is currently looking for 1 or 2 experienced > MEAN stack developers; competitive wages & telecommute is a > possibility. How mean do they have to be? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 5 17:53:30 2014 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 13:53:30 -0400 Subject: [OT] Looking for MEAN dev's In-Reply-To: <5409F5DA.8030200-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <5409F5DA.8030200@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:41 PM, James Knott wrote: > On 09/05/2014 01:37 PM, Scott Elcomb wrote: >> My employer in Hamilton is currently looking for 1 or 2 experienced >> MEAN stack developers; competitive wages & telecommute is a >> possibility. > > How mean do they have to be? ;-) At the barest minimum, I'd suggest they should know what the acronym means. :P Seriously though, experience is key. Great company with good folks. -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 http://psema4.com/pubkey.txt http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 5 18:05:00 2014 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:05:00 -0400 Subject: [OT] Looking for MEAN dev's In-Reply-To: References: <5409F5DA.8030200@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20140905180500.GA10501@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> >> How mean do they have to be? ;-) Just average ;) -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 5 19:22:43 2014 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 15:22:43 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Research code to run In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140905192243.GA17691@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 01:05:37AM -0400, David Mason wrote: > Hi all, > > I am doing some research in dynamic versus static function/method > dispatch. I have a simple C program that I would like run on as many > architectures as possible. In particular, I'd like a MIPS, an ARM, > and IBM zSeries. If you're running on an old architecture, the big > number at the beginning of run-microb may need to have one or more 0s > dropped so it runs in a timely way. > > Any help appreciated. > > Attached is the tar file. If you save it into your Downloads > directory, then simply: > tar zxf microb.tgz > cd microb > make > will run for maybe 5 minutes. I would like the complete screen > capture for that whole session (it prints out some statistics about > the machine it's on, and then the time for 3 runs of 5 *slightly* > different micro benchmarks. What did you expect sysctl -n machdep.cpu.brand_string to accomplish? I can't find any linux system where that does anything. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 5 19:51:45 2014 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (David Mason) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 15:51:45 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Research code to run In-Reply-To: <20140905192243.GA17691-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20140905192243.GA17691@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 5 September 2014 15:22, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > What did you expect sysctl -n machdep.cpu.brand_string to accomplish? > I can't find any linux system where that does anything. I wanted this to run on any *ix system and produce output that I can parse to figure out the machine. I expect Linux boxes to have /proc/cpuinfo, and everything else to have sysctl. That particular string is from Mac OS X, but this has also run on FreeBSD and Solaris (where sysctl produces rather different output. Turns out some Linuxes also have sysctl, with various contents. The only thing I really care about it is as much detail as possible about the CPU on the system. I'm not interested in how numbers from any particular machine compare to another machine, just how the different runs compare. The output "should" have static < bimorph* < dynamic, but it doesn't seem to be that simple... :-) Thanks if you get a chance to run this on something interesting. I have an Alpha, SPARC, PowerPC, AMD, and a plethora of Intel machines. ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 5 20:06:21 2014 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 16:06:21 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Research code to run In-Reply-To: References: <20140905192243.GA17691@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20140905200621.GB17691@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 03:51:45PM -0400, David Mason wrote: > On 5 September 2014 15:22, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > What did you expect sysctl -n machdep.cpu.brand_string to accomplish? > > I can't find any linux system where that does anything. > > I wanted this to run on any *ix system and produce output that I can > parse to figure out the machine. I expect Linux boxes to have > /proc/cpuinfo, and everything else to have sysctl. That particular > string is from Mac OS X, but this has also run on FreeBSD and Solaris > (where sysctl produces rather different output. Turns out some > Linuxes also have sysctl, with various contents. > > The only thing I really care about it is as much detail as possible > about the CPU on the system. I'm not interested in how numbers from > any particular machine compare to another machine, just how the > different runs compare. The output "should" have static < bimorph* < > dynamic, but it doesn't seem to be that simple... :-) > > Thanks if you get a chance to run this on something interesting. I > have an Alpha, SPARC, PowerPC, AMD, and a plethora of Intel machines. Well here are a few: ./run-microb ruggedcom Using built-in specs. COLLECT_GCC=cc COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabihf/4.6/lto-wrapper Target: arm-linux-gnueabihf Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Debian 4.6.3-14RR1' --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.6/README.Bugs --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++ --prefix=/usr --program-suffix=-4.6 --enable-shared --enable-linker-build-id --with-system-zl ib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.6 --libdir=/usr/lib --enable-nls --with-sysroot=/ --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-libstdcxx-time=yes --enable-gnu-unique-object --e nable-plugin --enable-objc-gc --disable-sjlj-exceptions --with-arch=armv7-a --with-fpu=vfpv3-d16 --with-float=hard --with-mode=thumb --enable-checking=release --build=arm-linux-gnueabihf --host=arm-linux-gnueabihf --target=arm-linux-gnueabihf Thread model: posix gcc version 4.6.3 (Debian 4.6.3-14RR1) ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l) time ./microb-dynamic 10000000000 13.05user 0.00system 0:13.27elapsed 98%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-bimorph 10000000000 19.58user 0.00system 0:19.76elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-bimorph2 10000000000 19.58user 0.00system 0:19.74elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-static 10000000000 13.05user 0.00system 0:13.15elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-loop 10000000000 Command exited with non-zero status 239 3.26user 0.00system 0:03.29elapsed 98%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-dynamic 10000000000 13.05user 0.00system 0:13.16elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-bimorph 10000000000 19.58user 0.00system 0:19.74elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-bimorph2 10000000000 19.57user 0.01system 0:19.73elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-static 10000000000 13.05user 0.00system 0:13.17elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-loop 10000000000 Command exited with non-zero status 239 3.26user 0.00system 0:03.28elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-dynamic 10000000000 13.05user 0.00system 0:13.16elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-bimorph 10000000000 19.57user 0.00system 0:19.74elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-bimorph2 10000000000 19.58user 0.00system 0:19.74elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-static 10000000000 13.05user 0.00system 0:13.16elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-loop 10000000000 Command exited with non-zero status 239 3.26user 0.00system 0:03.29elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps make: *** [microb] Error 239 Not sure what happened there at the end. This is a dual core Cortex-A15 at somewhere between 1.0 and 1.5GHz (I have the frequency control driver disabled so I can't actually tell what it is currently using). Now for another system: lennartsorensen-ppc Using built-in specs. COLLECT_GCC=cc COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-linux-gnu/4.6/lto-wrapper Target: powerpc-linux-gnu Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Debian 4.6.3-14' --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.6/README.Bugs --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++ --prefix=/usr --program-suffix=-4.6 --enable-shared --enable-linker-build-id --with-system-zlib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.6 --libdir=/usr/lib --enable-nls --with-sysroot=/ --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-libstdcxx-time=yes --enable-gnu-unique-object --enable-plugin --enable-objc-gc --enable-secureplt --disable-softfloat --enable-targets=powerpc-linux,powerpc64-linux --with-cpu=default32 --with-long-double-128 --enable-checking=release --build=powerpc-linux-gnu --host=powerpc-linux-gnu --target=powerpc-linux-g nu Thread model: posix gcc version 4.6.3 (Debian 4.6.3-14) processor : 0 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 1 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 2 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 3 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 4 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 5 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 6 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 7 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 8 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 9 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 10 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 11 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 12 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 13 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 14 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 15 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 16 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 17 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 18 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 19 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 20 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 21 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 22 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) processor : 23 cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported clock : 3720.000000MHz revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) timebase : 512000000 platform : pSeries model : IBM,8231-E1C machine : CHRP IBM,8231-E1C time ./microb-dynamic 10000000000 9.85user 0.00system 0:09.85elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+131minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-bimorph 10000000000 6.35user 0.00system 0:06.35elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+131minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-bimorph2 10000000000 6.35user 0.00system 0:06.35elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-static 10000000000 10.85user 0.00system 0:10.85elapsed 100%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-loop 10000000000 Command exited with non-zero status 239 1.74user 0.00system 0:01.74elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-dynamic 10000000000 9.94user 0.00system 0:09.95elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-bimorph 10000000000 6.36user 0.00system 0:06.36elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-bimorph2 10000000000 6.35user 0.00system 0:06.35elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+129minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-static 10000000000 10.84user 0.00system 0:10.85elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 376maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+129minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-loop 10000000000 Command exited with non-zero status 239 1.75user 0.00system 0:01.76elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-dynamic 10000000000 9.91user 0.00system 0:09.92elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-bimorph 10000000000 6.36user 0.00system 0:06.36elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-bimorph2 10000000000 6.36user 0.00system 0:06.37elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-static 10000000000 10.84user 0.00system 0:10.85elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-loop 10000000000 Command exited with non-zero status 239 1.74user 0.00system 0:01.74elapsed 100%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps make: *** [microb] Error 239 That system is a 3.72GHz IBM p710 with a 6 core power7. I am still waiting for the MPC8360e system to finish a run. It might be a while. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From qwerty172-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 5 20:33:22 2014 From: qwerty172-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bill Thanis) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 16:33:22 -0400 Subject: [OT] Looking for MEAN dev's In-Reply-To: References: <5409F5DA.8030200@rogers.com> Message-ID: I'm going to assume this is what you are talking about. http://mean.io/#!/ On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:41 PM, James Knott > wrote: > > On 09/05/2014 01:37 PM, Scott Elcomb wrote: > >> My employer in Hamilton is currently looking for 1 or 2 experienced > >> MEAN stack developers; competitive wages & telecommute is a > >> possibility. > > > > How mean do they have to be? ;-) > > At the barest minimum, I'd suggest they should know what the acronym > means. :P > > Seriously though, experience is key. Great company with good folks. > > -- > Scott Elcomb @psema4 > http://psema4.com/pubkey.txt > http://www.pirateparty.ca/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 5 20:53:28 2014 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 16:53:28 -0400 Subject: [OT] Looking for MEAN dev's In-Reply-To: References: <5409F5DA.8030200@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Bill Thanis wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Scott Elcomb wrote: >> >> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:41 PM, James Knott >> wrote: >> > On 09/05/2014 01:37 PM, Scott Elcomb wrote: >> >> My employer in Hamilton is currently looking for 1 or 2 experienced >> >> MEAN stack developers; competitive wages & telecommute is a >> >> possibility. >> > >> > How mean do they have to be? ;-) >> >> At the barest minimum, I'd suggest they should know what the acronym >> means. :P >> >> Seriously though, experience is key. Great company with good folks. > I'm going to assume this is what you are talking about. > > http://mean.io/#!/ > Those are the technologies, yes. Have to admit though, I don't recall hearing about mean.io - looks like it was setup a little over a year ago based on it's github issues; the term itself was coined by a MongoDB engineer a few months earlier: -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 http://psema4.com/pubkey.txt http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 5 20:56:31 2014 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 16:56:31 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Research code to run In-Reply-To: <20140905200621.GB17691-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20140905192243.GA17691@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140905200621.GB17691@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20140905205631.GC17691@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 04:06:21PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I am still waiting for the MPC8360e system to finish a run. It might be a while. And it finished: rx5000-len Using built-in specs. COLLECT_GCC=cc COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-linux-gnu/4.6/lto-wrapper Target: powerpc-linux-gnu Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Debian 4.6.3-14RR1' --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.6/README.Bugs --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++ --prefix=/usr --program-suffix=-4.6 --enable-shared --enable-linker-build-id --with-system-zlib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.6 --libdir=/usr/lib --enable-nls --with-sysroot=/ --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-libstdcxx-time=yes --enable-gnu-unique-object --enable-plugin --enable-objc-gc --enable-secureplt --disable-softfloat --enable-targets=powerpc-linux,powerpc64-linux --with-cpu=default32 --with-long-double-128 --enable-checking=release --build=powerpc-linux-gnu --host=powerpc-linux-gnu --target=powerpc-linu x-gnu Thread model: posix gcc version 4.6.3 (Debian 4.6.3-14RR1) processor : 0 cpu : e300c1 clock : 533.333328MHz revision : 3.1 (pvr 8083 0031) bogomips : 133.33 timebase : 66666666 platform : RC8360 CM model : RC8360CM Memory : 512 MB time ./microb-dynamic 10000000000 53.54user 0.04system 0:54.43elapsed 98%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 372maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+127minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-bimorph 10000000000 61.65user 0.06system 1:02.99elapsed 97%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 372maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+127minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-bimorph2 10000000000 61.63user 0.05system 1:02.90elapsed 98%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 368maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+126minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-static 10000000000 32.85user 0.01system 0:33.37elapsed 98%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 372maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+127minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-loop 10000000000 Command exited with non-zero status 239 14.36user 0.01system 0:14.63elapsed 98%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 372maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+127minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-dynamic 10000000000 53.54user 0.04system 0:54.58elapsed 98%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 372maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+127minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-bimorph 10000000000 61.65user 0.03system 1:02.80elapsed 98%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 372maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+127minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-bimorph2 10000000000 61.64user 0.07system 1:03.66elapsed 96%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 372maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+127minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-static 10000000000 32.86user 0.02system 0:33.47elapsed 98%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 372maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+128minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-loop 10000000000 Command exited with non-zero status 239 14.37user 0.00system 0:14.62elapsed 98%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 372maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+128minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-dynamic 10000000000 53.54user 0.03system 0:54.59elapsed 98%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 372maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+127minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-bimorph 10000000000 61.64user 0.04system 1:02.74elapsed 98%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 372maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+126minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-bimorph2 10000000000 61.63user 0.04system 1:02.66elapsed 98%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 372maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+127minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-static 10000000000 32.85user 0.02system 0:33.50elapsed 98%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 372maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+127minor)pagefaults 0swaps time ./microb-loop 10000000000 Command exited with non-zero status 239 14.37user 0.04system 0:14.97elapsed 96%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 372maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+127minor)pagefaults 0swaps make: *** [microb] Error 239 Freescale MPC8360e 533Mhz. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 5 21:25:49 2014 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (David Mason) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:25:49 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Research code to run In-Reply-To: <20140905200621.GB17691-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20140905192243.GA17691@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140905200621.GB17691@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 5 September 2014 16:06, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well here are a few: Excellent! Thanks. > ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l) > > Not sure what happened there at the end. This is a dual core Cortex-A15 > at somewhere between 1.0 and 1.5GHz (I have the frequency control driver > disabled so I can't actually tell what it is currently using). It doesn't explicitly "exit 0" so make complains. > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > That system is a 3.72GHz IBM p710 with a 6 core power7. Wow... fast... > I am still waiting for the MPC8360e system to finish a run. It might be a while. Thanks, again. ../Dave On 5 September 2014 16:06, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 03:51:45PM -0400, David Mason wrote: >> On 5 September 2014 15:22, Lennart Sorensen >> wrote: >> > What did you expect sysctl -n machdep.cpu.brand_string to accomplish? >> > I can't find any linux system where that does anything. >> >> I wanted this to run on any *ix system and produce output that I can >> parse to figure out the machine. I expect Linux boxes to have >> /proc/cpuinfo, and everything else to have sysctl. That particular >> string is from Mac OS X, but this has also run on FreeBSD and Solaris >> (where sysctl produces rather different output. Turns out some >> Linuxes also have sysctl, with various contents. >> >> The only thing I really care about it is as much detail as possible >> about the CPU on the system. I'm not interested in how numbers from >> any particular machine compare to another machine, just how the >> different runs compare. The output "should" have static < bimorph* < >> dynamic, but it doesn't seem to be that simple... :-) >> >> Thanks if you get a chance to run this on something interesting. I >> have an Alpha, SPARC, PowerPC, AMD, and a plethora of Intel machines. > > Well here are a few: > > ./run-microb > ruggedcom > Using built-in specs. > COLLECT_GCC=cc > COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabihf/4.6/lto-wrapper > Target: arm-linux-gnueabihf > Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Debian 4.6.3-14RR1' --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.6/README.Bugs --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++ --prefix=/usr --program-suffix=-4.6 --enable-shared --enable-linker-build-id --with-system-zl > ib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.6 --libdir=/usr/lib --enable-nls --with-sysroot=/ --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-libstdcxx-time=yes --enable-gnu-unique-object --e > nable-plugin --enable-objc-gc --disable-sjlj-exceptions --with-arch=armv7-a --with-fpu=vfpv3-d16 --with-float=hard --with-mode=thumb --enable-checking=release --build=arm-linux-gnueabihf --host=arm-linux-gnueabihf --target=arm-linux-gnueabihf > Thread model: posix > gcc version 4.6.3 (Debian 4.6.3-14RR1) > ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l) > time ./microb-dynamic 10000000000 > 13.05user 0.00system 0:13.27elapsed 98%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-bimorph 10000000000 > 19.58user 0.00system 0:19.76elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-bimorph2 10000000000 > 19.58user 0.00system 0:19.74elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-static 10000000000 > 13.05user 0.00system 0:13.15elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-loop 10000000000 > Command exited with non-zero status 239 > 3.26user 0.00system 0:03.29elapsed 98%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-dynamic 10000000000 > 13.05user 0.00system 0:13.16elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-bimorph 10000000000 > 19.58user 0.00system 0:19.74elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-bimorph2 10000000000 > 19.57user 0.01system 0:19.73elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-static 10000000000 > 13.05user 0.00system 0:13.17elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-loop 10000000000 > Command exited with non-zero status 239 > 3.26user 0.00system 0:03.28elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-dynamic 10000000000 > 13.05user 0.00system 0:13.16elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-bimorph 10000000000 > 19.57user 0.00system 0:19.74elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-bimorph2 10000000000 > 19.58user 0.00system 0:19.74elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-static 10000000000 > 13.05user 0.00system 0:13.16elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-loop 10000000000 > Command exited with non-zero status 239 > 3.26user 0.00system 0:03.29elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 272maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+112minor)pagefaults 0swaps > make: *** [microb] Error 239 > > Not sure what happened there at the end. This is a dual core Cortex-A15 > at somewhere between 1.0 and 1.5GHz (I have the frequency control driver > disabled so I can't actually tell what it is currently using). > > > > > Now for another system: > > lennartsorensen-ppc > Using built-in specs. > COLLECT_GCC=cc > COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-linux-gnu/4.6/lto-wrapper > Target: powerpc-linux-gnu > Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Debian 4.6.3-14' --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.6/README.Bugs --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++ --prefix=/usr --program-suffix=-4.6 --enable-shared --enable-linker-build-id --with-system-zlib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.6 --libdir=/usr/lib --enable-nls --with-sysroot=/ --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-libstdcxx-time=yes --enable-gnu-unique-object --enable-plugin --enable-objc-gc --enable-secureplt --disable-softfloat --enable-targets=powerpc-linux,powerpc64-linux --with-cpu=default32 --with-long-double-128 --enable-checking=release --build=powerpc-linux-gnu --host=powerpc-linux-gnu --target=powerpc-linux-gnu > Thread model: posix > gcc version 4.6.3 (Debian 4.6.3-14) > processor : 0 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 1 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 2 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 3 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 4 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 5 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 6 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 7 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 8 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 9 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 10 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 11 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 12 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 13 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 14 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 15 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 16 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 17 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 18 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 19 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 20 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 21 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 22 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > processor : 23 > cpu : POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > clock : 3720.000000MHz > revision : 2.3 (pvr 003f 0203) > > timebase : 512000000 > platform : pSeries > model : IBM,8231-E1C > machine : CHRP IBM,8231-E1C > time ./microb-dynamic 10000000000 > 9.85user 0.00system 0:09.85elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+131minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-bimorph 10000000000 > 6.35user 0.00system 0:06.35elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+131minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-bimorph2 10000000000 > 6.35user 0.00system 0:06.35elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-static 10000000000 > 10.85user 0.00system 0:10.85elapsed 100%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-loop 10000000000 > Command exited with non-zero status 239 > 1.74user 0.00system 0:01.74elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-dynamic 10000000000 > 9.94user 0.00system 0:09.95elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-bimorph 10000000000 > 6.36user 0.00system 0:06.36elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-bimorph2 10000000000 > 6.35user 0.00system 0:06.35elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+129minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-static 10000000000 > 10.84user 0.00system 0:10.85elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 376maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+129minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-loop 10000000000 > Command exited with non-zero status 239 > 1.75user 0.00system 0:01.76elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-dynamic 10000000000 > 9.91user 0.00system 0:09.92elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-bimorph 10000000000 > 6.36user 0.00system 0:06.36elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-bimorph2 10000000000 > 6.36user 0.00system 0:06.37elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-static 10000000000 > 10.84user 0.00system 0:10.85elapsed 99%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps > time ./microb-loop 10000000000 > Command exited with non-zero status 239 > 1.74user 0.00system 0:01.74elapsed 100%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 380maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+130minor)pagefaults 0swaps > make: *** [microb] Error 239 > > That system is a 3.72GHz IBM p710 with a 6 core power7. > > I am still waiting for the MPC8360e system to finish a run. It might be a while. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 7 18:19:37 2014 From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 14:19:37 -0400 Subject: OT: Restaurants and cafes Message-ID: <540CA1B9.8050803@sobac.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all: What's the restaurant TLUGgers go to before the meeting nowadays? And is the Pho88 restaurant on Spadina still open? It's not listed on their locations page... http://www.pho88.ca/locations.html - --Bob. - -- Bob Jonkman Phone: +1-519-669-0388 SOBAC Microcomputer Services http://sobac.com/sobac/ http://bob.jonkman.ca/blogs/ http://sn.jonkman.ca/bobjonkman/ Software --- Office & Business Automation --- Consulting GnuPG Fngrprnt:04F7 742B 8F54 C40A E115 26C2 B912 89B0 D2CC E5EA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Ensure confidentiality, authenticity, non-repudiability iEYEARECAAYFAlQMobcACgkQuRKJsNLM5eqvtwCfdrIvAGTVUNxmIXVrid+Ohcgf ilEAn3IOflXXtz+mb2hbMOE9/4o+EgjB =bjac -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 7 19:30:26 2014 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 15:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: Restaurants and cafes In-Reply-To: <540CA1B9.8050803-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <540CA1B9.8050803@sobac.com> Message-ID: | From: Bob Jonkman | Hi all: What's the restaurant TLUGgers go to before the meeting nowadays? GTALUG meetings are now in the Vari building on the Ryerson campus. No consensus formed about where to eat near Ryerson. So the choice became individual. Some people seem to go to Love at First Bite. It offers pizza and Thai food. (The best of the local restaurants that I've tried are just too noisy to have a conversation: Salad King, Guu.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 7 22:35:55 2014 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 18:35:55 -0400 Subject: OT: Restaurants and cafes In-Reply-To: <540CA1B9.8050803-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <540CA1B9.8050803@sobac.com> Message-ID: <540CDDCB.1040700@gmail.com> On 14-09-07 02:19 PM, Bob Jonkman wrote: > > And is the Pho88 restaurant on Spadina still open? It's not listed > on their locations page... http://www.pho88.ca/locations.html Closed, pending being demolished. The whole block's going to be condos. cheers, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 8 18:30:52 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 14:30:52 -0400 Subject: New GTALUG Mailing List Message-ID: <540DF5DC.6000301@mylesbraithwaite.com> In case you aren't on the announce list (or didn't read the whole message). GTALUG is in the process of moving to a new server and domain for our Mailing List. Go here for more information. This list (tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) will be dead by the 30th September, 2014. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 8 18:51:22 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 14:51:22 -0400 Subject: New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: <540DF5DC.6000301-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <540DF5DC.6000301@mylesbraithwaite.com> Message-ID: <540DFAAA.90505@rogers.com> On 09/08/2014 02:30 PM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > In case you aren't on the announce list (or didn't read the whole message). > > GTALUG is in the process of moving to a new server and domain for our > Mailing List. Go here for more > information. > > This list (tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) will be dead by the 30th September, 2014. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > I see that site runs IPv6. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 8 20:05:12 2014 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 16:05:12 -0400 Subject: Question re New List Message-ID: <4e71e174cae06c1301d9b26d526e85e4.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> If we subscribe to 'talk' will we receive announcements, or do we need to subscribe to an announce list as well? Thanks - Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 8 20:09:25 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 16:09:25 -0400 Subject: Question re New List In-Reply-To: <4e71e174cae06c1301d9b26d526e85e4.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <4e71e174cae06c1301d9b26d526e85e4.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <540E0CF5.3070800@mylesbraithwaite.com> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > If we subscribe to 'talk' will we receive announcements, or do we need to > subscribe to an announce list as well? Yes. The announcements will go to both the talk and the announce list. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 8 20:26:07 2014 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 16:26:07 -0400 Subject: Question re New List In-Reply-To: <540E0CF5.3070800-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <4e71e174cae06c1301d9b26d526e85e4.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <540E0CF5.3070800@mylesbraithwaite.com> Message-ID: <02f81ae226b6ae1123e283955640654f.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Thanks. I wouldn't want to miss the meeting notices ;). Peter > phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >> If we subscribe to 'talk' will we receive announcements, or do we need >> to >> subscribe to an announce list as well? > > Yes. The announcements will go to both the talk and the announce list. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kenslists-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 9 20:35:35 2014 From: kenslists-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Ken Heard) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2014 16:35:35 -0400 Subject: New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: <540DF5DC.6000301-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <540DF5DC.6000301@mylesbraithwaite.com> Message-ID: <540F6497.4080302@teksavvy.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Myles Braithwaite wrote: > This list (tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) will be dead by the 30th September, 2014. Will it consequently be necessary for current subscribers to the old list subscribe to the new list, or will there be an automatic transfer? Ken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQPZJcACgkQlNlJzOkJmTc/wwCcDHAfuhmcnXF4zwvBR2hEyo5C 7xoAnjLdwhcNXZvCMsObGv0Xj/snxD40 =pW22 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 9 21:20:15 2014 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 17:20:15 -0400 Subject: New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: <540F6497.4080302-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <540DF5DC.6000301@mylesbraithwaite.com> <540F6497.4080302@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: We are planning NOT to automatically add everyone to the new list; that was the conclusion from discussions on the matter. 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URL: From kenslists-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 10 04:33:29 2014 From: kenslists-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Ken Heard) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 00:33:29 -0400 Subject: New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: <540DF5DC.6000301@mylesbraithwaite.com> <540F6497.4080302@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <540FD499.1020200@teksavvy.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Christopher Browne wrote: > We are planning NOT to automatically add everyone to the new list; that > was the conclusion from discussions on the matter. If you feel > particularly strongly otherwise, by all means speak out on the matter. No, I do not feel strongly otherwise; I was merely seeking information. In fact I agree with Marcelo that requiring everybody to resubscribe is a good way to clear out the inactive subscriptions. I will consequently unsubscribe from the old list and subscribe to the new. Regards, Ken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQP1JkACgkQlNlJzOkJmTfwZwCggXtSnlMdpSr75LpeGDjWUk41 OTcAnjUKHoofojym2t7ooQrfTcDK1aQz =1Zvo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 10 11:44:34 2014 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 07:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: <540FD499.1020200-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <540DF5DC.6000301@mylesbraithwaite.com> <540F6497.4080302@teksavvy.com> <540FD499.1020200@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: I think that this will be MY LAST POST TO tlug-jmbJ75VLJBo at public.gmane.org And it is my first post to talk-kPTIhHHajqC4UlQgPVntAg at public.gmane.org | From: Ken Heard | I will consequently | unsubscribe from the old list and subscribe to the new. I don't know if the "unsubscribe" is necessary or even a good idea. How are the old and new lists connected? I subscribed on Monday evening to the new ones and have not unsubscribed from the old one. I have not received any double-posts. In fact, all messages I've seen seem to be from the old list. I'm sending this message to both old and new lists. Let's see what happens. If there is no automatic cross-posting, one should stay subscribed to both old and new lists. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 10 11:54:22 2014 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 07:54:22 -0400 Subject: New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: <540DF5DC.6000301@mylesbraithwaite.com> <540F6497.4080302@teksavvy.com> <540FD499.1020200@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <54103BEE.5090409@gmail.com> On 14-09-10 07:44 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > I'm sending this message to both old and new lists. Let's see what > happens. I'm not seeing any messages from the new list, apart from Chris's one last week. Yes, I'm subscribed. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 10 11:56:42 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 07:56:42 -0400 Subject: New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: <54103BEE.5090409-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <540DF5DC.6000301@mylesbraithwaite.com> <540F6497.4080302@teksavvy.com> <540FD499.1020200@teksavvy.com> <54103BEE.5090409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54103C7A.9090602@rogers.com> On 09/10/2014 07:54 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 14-09-10 07:44 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> I'm sending this message to both old and new lists. Let's see what >> happens. > I'm not seeing any messages from the new list, apart from Chris's one > last week. Yes, I'm subscribed. > > I'm sending this reply to both addresses. Let me know if you don't receive this message. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 10 11:57:59 2014 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 08:57:59 -0300 Subject: [GTALUG]Re: New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: <54103C7A.9090602-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <540DF5DC.6000301@mylesbraithwaite.com> <540F6497.4080302@teksavvy.com> <540FD499.1020200@teksavvy.com> <54103BEE.5090409@gmail.com> <54103C7A.9090602@rogers.com> Message-ID: Hello, The better way would probably to start a new thread in the new list and ask in the old one to see who didn?t receive the new thread/topic. Best, =================================================== Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha - Kalib P?s-Graduando em Governan?a de Tecnologia da Informa??o - EST?CIO/FIC Graduado em Sistemas de Informa??es - EST?CIO/FIC Usu?rio Linux #407564 | Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 Fortaleza - Cear? - Brazil Celular: +55 085 87620983 Certifica??es: ITIL V3 | CSM | LPI-C1 | LPI-C2 | LPI-C3 | Novell CLA Minha Pessoa: Blog Projetos: Tux-CE | Archlinux-br | Chakra | KDE Brasil | TLUG | PUG-CE =================================================== Proteja meu endere?o como estou protegendo o seu. N?o revele e-mail dos correspondentes: use Cco (Copia Carbonada Oculta). Retire os endere?os antes de reenviar. Dificulte assim a dissemina??o de v?rus e spam. 2014-09-10 8:56 GMT-03:00 James Knott : > On 09/10/2014 07:54 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > On 14-09-10 07:44 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > >> I'm sending this message to both old and new lists. Let's see what > >> happens. > > I'm not seeing any messages from the new list, apart from Chris's one > > last week. Yes, I'm subscribed. > > > > > > I'm sending this reply to both addresses. > > Let me know if you don't receive this message. ;-) > > > > --- > GTALUG Talk Mailing List - talk-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org > http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 10 16:20:45 2014 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 12:20:45 -0400 Subject: [GTALUG] New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: <540DF5DC.6000301@mylesbraithwaite.com> <540F6497.4080302@teksavvy.com> <540FD499.1020200@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:44 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I think that this will be MY LAST POST TO tlug-jmbJ75VLJBo at public.gmane.org > And it is my first post to talk-kPTIhHHajqC4UlQgPVntAg at public.gmane.org > > | From: Ken Heard > > | I will consequently > | unsubscribe from the old list and subscribe to the new. > > I don't know if the "unsubscribe" is necessary or even a good idea. > > How are the old and new lists connected? > They are hardly connected, really. They're managed on separate servers, and there isn't any sort of gatewaying between them, except insofar as one might simultaneously post to both (as you and I have both just done). > I subscribed on Monday evening to the new ones and have not unsubscribed > from the old one. I have not received any double-posts. In fact, all > messages I've seen seem to be from the old list. > > I'm sending this message to both old and new lists. Let's see what > happens. > > If there is no automatic cross-posting, one should stay subscribed to both > old and new lists. > I agree; there is not any particular value or need to unsubscribe from the old list. At some point, there will be a final message, hopefully an intentional "This Is The Final Message" one, and the old list will be turned off, no more postings allowed. (Sorta nice if messages "bounce" in some meaningful way as opposed to disappearing into the aether, alas, I don't imagine that would be easy to test, particularly as there's very little maintenance going on in the elder environment.) -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 11 05:37:20 2014 From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 01:37:20 -0400 Subject: Afternoon Tea with LibrePlanet-Ontario, TorontoCrypto and Ubuntu Canada Message-ID: <54113510.6040908@sobac.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everybodeee! Thanx for welcoming me to the ranks of GTALUG membership last night! As I mentioned at the meeting, there's going to be a get-together of Free/Libre-minded software folks this Saturday afternoon. The whole thing was started when Sergio Durigan, the organizer of LibrePlanet-Brazil moved to Toronto and re-activated the LibrePlanet-Ontario group, and I offered to introduce him other Free Software groups. LibrePlanet-Ontario - http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario LibrePlanet exist to promote the use of Free Software in the communities of Ontario and to support individuals who wish to use or create Free Software. The goals are similar to those of the Free Software Foundation. Recently one of LibrePlanet-Brazil's organizers, Sergio Durigan Jr. moved to Toronto and is now helping organize LibrePlanet-Ontario. Let's show him a warm Canadian welcome! TorontoCrypto - https://torontocrypto.org/ CryptoParty is a decentralized, global initiative to introduce the most basic cryptography software and the fundamental concepts of their operation to the general public. TorontoCrypto held a workshop on computer privacy and security software in July; let's practice those new skills by holding a GnuPG/PGP keysigning and extending the Web of Trust to the other organizations. Ubuntu Canada, Toronto chapter - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Toronto/ This weekend is the Ubuntu Global Jam, where the Ubuntu community unites to work together to improve Ubuntu. We've got some Ubuntu DVDs to give away; bring your laptop and try it out. Everyone is welcome to Afternoon Tea, whether or not you're affiliated with LibrePlanet, TorontoCrypto or Ubuntu Canada. *What* : Afternoon Tea *When* : Saturday, 13 September 2014 from 3:00pm to 6:00pm *Where* : Yueh Tung, 126 Elizabeth Street, Toronto, Ontario *Website* : http://yuehtungrestaurant.com/ *Map* : http://osm.org/go/ZX6BtDPG?m= *Register* : http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/2883/detail/ And a week later we're celebrating Software Freedom Day in Kitchener. It's an all-day event with a stream of presentations including one on Open Data and one on Open Access publishing, a hands-on workshop on Scratch programming and one on Privacy and Security with Tor, a film festival, and an all-day installfest. Everything is free, both in the sense of Libre and Gratis. We're even giving away computers at the installfest (monitors are $20). *What* : Software Freedom Day *When* : Saturday, 20 September 2014 from 10:00am to 4:00pm *Where* : Queen Street Commons Cafe and The Working Centre *Location* : 43 and 58 Queen Street South, Kitchener, Ontario, Canada *Map* : http://osm.org/go/ZXnwTzH0?m= *Schedule* : http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2014/Canada/Kitchener/TWC?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Software-Freedom-Day-2014.ics *Website* : http://kwlug.org/sfd Hope to see you at either or both events! - --Bob. - -- Bob Jonkman Phone: +1-519-669-0388 SOBAC Microcomputer Services http://sobac.com/sobac/ http://bob.jonkman.ca/blogs/ http://sn.jonkman.ca/bobjonkman/ Software --- Office & Business Automation --- Consulting GnuPG Fngrprnt:04F7 742B 8F54 C40A E115 26C2 B912 89B0 D2CC E5EA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Ensure confidentiality, authenticity, non-repudiability iEYEARECAAYFAlQRNQ0ACgkQuRKJsNLM5erPYgCgi8uWhvUiNONkFs5Q2wrLsW7I VNIAoMGXExwC6e0nGFdpS4QkktET7jP1 =xqpg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 15 15:28:01 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:28:01 -0400 Subject: Please Subscribe to the New GTALUG Mailing List Message-ID: GTALUG is in the process of moving to a new server and domain for our Mailing List. Go here for more information. You will not be automatically subscribed to the new list. This list (tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) will be dead (all new mail will be forwarded to /dev/null) by the 30th September, 2014. If you have any questions, comments, or concerns feel free to contact me. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 16 00:56:15 2014 From: adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:56:15 -0400 Subject: Please Subscribe to the New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140916005615.GW12293@adb.ca> Myles Braithwaite wrote: > This list (tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) will be dead (all new mail will be forwarded > to /dev/null) by the 30th September, 2014. And that's the end of a very long era, moving off of Drew Sullivan's domain. It seems like just a few weeks ago that he was the one guy at a Unix Unanimous meeting who had even heard of Linux, but that was well over 20 years ago. (Time certainly flies when we're getting old.) In that time he got this group and a lot of Linux users and programmers off the ground here, contributed to the kernel itself (anyone else remember iBCS2?) and did all manner of other things. Even raised a couple of kids. So I'd like to publically thank Drew for all he's done for TLUG. Thank you, Drew. {raises pint} -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From wwitteman-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 16 01:00:10 2014 From: wwitteman-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Witteman) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 21:00:10 -0400 Subject: Please Subscribe to the New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20140916005615.GW12293-SACILpcuo74@public.gmane.org> References: <20140916005615.GW12293@adb.ca> Message-ID: On 15 Sep 2014 20:45, "Anthony de Boer" wrote: > > So I'd like to publically thank Drew for all he's done for TLUG. > Thank you, Drew. > > {raises pint} This thing comes with pints! I signed up wrong! Bug report! Seriously, thank you Drew. William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Go here for more > information. > > You will not be automatically subscribed to the new list. > > This list (tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) will be dead (all new mail will be forwarded > to /dev/null) by the 30th September, 2014. > > If you have any questions, comments, or concerns feel free to contact me. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 16 03:59:12 2014 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:59:12 -0400 Subject: Please Subscribe to the New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: <20140916005615.GW12293@adb.ca> Message-ID: <5417B590.5060807@ss.org> On 09/15/2014 09:00 PM, William Witteman wrote: > On 15 Sep 2014 20:45, "Anthony de Boer" > > wrote: > > > > So I'd like to publically thank Drew for all he's done for TLUG. > > Thank you, Drew. > > > > {raises pint} > > This thing comes with pints! I signed up wrong! Bug report! > > Seriously, thank you Drew. > > William > This is kind of funny, despite hosting it, he hasn't been on the list for the last two years. I'll pass on the regards. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 16 14:00:09 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:00:09 -0400 Subject: Please Subscribe to the New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:55 PM, John Moniz wrote: > One of the two methods to subscribe is to send an email to > talk-subscribe-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org, as per instructions. I sent an email on Sept 9 > but am not yet on the list. I will send another email but am wondering how > long it takes to be accepted and placed on the list. You have to conform your email address with the system so we know you aren't a spammer. I have noticed in testing that on Gmail or Google Apps email accounts that email may be sent to the spam (when subscribing by email) or under the Promotions (when subscribing by the HTML form). If you still have problems I can manually subscribe you to the list. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 19 11:44:09 2014 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:44:09 -0400 Subject: OT? -- Banning IP's making high volume of bad requests Message-ID: Hi folks, Earlier this week the ubuntu server my courses run on was compromised and started spammming. I have done some hardening and among otherthings installed fail2ban and logwatch, then put the server back up yesterday afternoon. This morning I woke up to see hundreds of thousands of requests from 2 IPs to a web page that has a known exploit. Here is a log entry: 195.154.136.19 - - [19/Sep/2014:07:33:10 -0400] "POST /xmlrpc.php HTTP/1.0" 403 470 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible: MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0)" I would like to tell fail2ban to block these IP's when this happens -- they aren't doing any damage yet but they account for most of my bandwith right now and I would rather they not keep me o ntheir 'easy targets' list. Does anyone know how to do this -- if not with fail2ban than with some other tool? Thanks, Matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 19 11:49:14 2014 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:49:14 -0400 Subject: OT? -- Banning IP's making high volume of bad requests In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <541C183A.4060408@rogers.com> On 14-09-19 07:44 AM, Matt Price wrote: > I would like to tell fail2ban to block these IP's when this happens -- > they aren't doing any damage yet but they account for most of my > bandwith right now and I would rather they not keep me o ntheir 'easy > targets' list. Does anyone know how to do this -- if not with > fail2ban than with some other tool? I would think that your server should be behind a router/firewall and this unit should have a table of blocked IPs. -- Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 19 13:20:40 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 09:20:40 -0400 Subject: OT? -- Banning IP's making high volume of bad requests In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <462D4B63-314E-4F07-AA33-F3BD31D3392C@mylesbraithwaite.com> The easiest option is to add the IP address to your`/etc/hosts.deny` file. This will block them from accessing your server indefinitely (so check and make sure they aren't coming from a public access point that your users are likely to use). > On Sep 19, 2014, at 7:44 AM, Matt Price wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Earlier this week the ubuntu server my courses run on was compromised > and started spammming. I have done some hardening and among > otherthings installed fail2ban and logwatch, then put the server back > up yesterday afternoon. > > This morning I woke up to see hundreds of thousands of requests from > 2 IPs to a web page that has a known exploit. Here is a log entry: > > 195.154.136.19 - - [19/Sep/2014:07:33:10 -0400] "POST /xmlrpc.php > HTTP/1.0" 403 470 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible: MSIE 7.0; Windows NT > 6.0)" > > I would like to tell fail2ban to block these IP's when this happens -- > they aren't doing any damage yet but they account for most of my > bandwith right now and I would rather they not keep me o ntheir 'easy > targets' list. Does anyone know how to do this -- if not with > fail2ban than with some other tool? > > Thanks, > > Matt > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 19 13:57:10 2014 From: northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Thornton) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 09:57:10 -0400 Subject: OT? -- Banning IP's making high volume of bad requests In-Reply-To: <462D4B63-314E-4F07-AA33-F3BD31D3392C-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <462D4B63-314E-4F07-AA33-F3BD31D3392C@mylesbraithwaite.com> Message-ID: I think you guys are missing the point. He want to tell fail2ban : if ip x asks for url y ban it on the firewall. I googled "fail2ban http request to firewall" and got a direct hit , you sunk my battleship. http://serverfault.com/questions/416926/automatically-block-ip-who-requests-certain-url David On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > The easiest option is to add the IP address to your`/etc/hosts.deny` file. > This will block them from accessing your server indefinitely (so check and > make sure they aren't coming from a public access point that your users are > likely to use). > > > On Sep 19, 2014, at 7:44 AM, Matt Price wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > Earlier this week the ubuntu server my courses run on was compromised > > and started spammming. I have done some hardening and among > > otherthings installed fail2ban and logwatch, then put the server back > > up yesterday afternoon. > > > > This morning I woke up to see hundreds of thousands of requests from > > 2 IPs to a web page that has a known exploit. Here is a log entry: > > > > 195.154.136.19 - - [19/Sep/2014:07:33:10 -0400] "POST /xmlrpc.php > > HTTP/1.0" 403 470 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible: MSIE 7.0; Windows NT > > 6.0)" > > > > I would like to tell fail2ban to block these IP's when this happens -- > > they aren't doing any damage yet but they account for most of my > > bandwith right now and I would rather they not keep me o ntheir 'easy > > targets' list. Does anyone know how to do this -- if not with > > fail2ban than with some other tool? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Matt > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 19 15:35:50 2014 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:35:50 -0400 Subject: Fwd:OT? -- Banning IP's making high volume of bad requests In-Reply-To: References: <462D4B63-314E-4F07-AA33-F3BD31D3392C@mylesbraithwaite.com> Message-ID: Thanks Everyone. David, that's exactly right. The regex at that site didn't work for me but I have cobbled together something that at least seems to work (for future readers): failregex = ^.+\[access_compat:error\].+\[client (:\d{1,5})?\] AH01797: client denied by server configuration This matches the apache error logs: [Fri Sep 19 11:08:21.508051 2014] [access_compat:error] [pid 14436] [client 93.158.202.49:50774] AH01797: client denied by server configuration: /var/www/2014.hackinghistory.ca/xmlrpc.php fail2ban is not banning those hosts in the appropriate way. I think it could be prettier but works for now. phew, thank you. m ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Thornton Date: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT? -- Banning IP's making high volume of bad requests To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org I think you guys are missing the point. He want to tell fail2ban : if ip x asks for url y ban it on the firewall. I googled "fail2ban http request to firewall" and got a direct hit , you sunk my battleship. http://serverfault.com/questions/416926/automatically-block-ip-who-requests-certain-url David On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > > The easiest option is to add the IP address to your`/etc/hosts.deny` file. This will block them from accessing your server indefinitely (so check and make sure they aren't coming from a public access point that your users are likely to use). > > > On Sep 19, 2014, at 7:44 AM, Matt Price wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > Earlier this week the ubuntu server my courses run on was compromised > > and started spammming. I have done some hardening and among > > otherthings installed fail2ban and logwatch, then put the server back > > up yesterday afternoon. > > > > This morning I woke up to see hundreds of thousands of requests from > > 2 IPs to a web page that has a known exploit. Here is a log entry: > > > > 195.154.136.19 - - [19/Sep/2014:07:33:10 -0400] "POST /xmlrpc.php > > HTTP/1.0" 403 470 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible: MSIE 7.0; Windows NT > > 6.0)" > > > > I would like to tell fail2ban to block these IP's when this happens -- > > they aren't doing any damage yet but they account for most of my > > bandwith right now and I would rather they not keep me o ntheir 'easy > > targets' list. Does anyone know how to do this -- if not with > > fail2ban than with some other tool? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Matt > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 19 15:38:32 2014 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:38:32 -0400 Subject: OT? -- Banning IP's making high volume of bad requests In-Reply-To: References: <462D4B63-314E-4F07-AA33-F3BD31D3392C@mylesbraithwaite.com> Message-ID: ...is NOW banning!.... On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Matt Price wrote: > Thanks Everyone. David, that's exactly right. The regex at that site > didn't work for me but I have cobbled together something that at least > seems to work (for future readers): > > failregex = ^.+\[access_compat:error\].+\[client (:\d{1,5})?\] > AH01797: client denied by server configuration > > This matches the apache error logs: > > [Fri Sep 19 11:08:21.508051 2014] [access_compat:error] [pid 14436] > [client 93.158.202.49:50774] AH01797: client denied by server > configuration: /var/www/2014.hackinghistory.ca/xmlrpc.php > > fail2ban is not banning those hosts in the appropriate way. I think > it could be prettier but works for now. > phew, thank you. > > m > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Thornton > Date: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:57 AM > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT? -- Banning IP's making high volume of bad requests > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > > I think you guys are missing the point. He want to tell fail2ban : if > ip x asks for url y ban it on the firewall. > > I googled "fail2ban http request to firewall" and got a direct hit , > you sunk my battleship. > > http://serverfault.com/questions/416926/automatically-block-ip-who-requests-certain-url > > David > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Myles Braithwaite > wrote: >> >> The easiest option is to add the IP address to your`/etc/hosts.deny` file. This will block them from accessing your server indefinitely (so check and make sure they aren't coming from a public access point that your users are likely to use). >> >> > On Sep 19, 2014, at 7:44 AM, Matt Price wrote: >> > >> > Hi folks, >> > >> > Earlier this week the ubuntu server my courses run on was compromised >> > and started spammming. I have done some hardening and among >> > otherthings installed fail2ban and logwatch, then put the server back >> > up yesterday afternoon. >> > >> > This morning I woke up to see hundreds of thousands of requests from >> > 2 IPs to a web page that has a known exploit. Here is a log entry: >> > >> > 195.154.136.19 - - [19/Sep/2014:07:33:10 -0400] "POST /xmlrpc.php >> > HTTP/1.0" 403 470 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible: MSIE 7.0; Windows NT >> > 6.0)" >> > >> > I would like to tell fail2ban to block these IP's when this happens -- >> > they aren't doing any damage yet but they account for most of my >> > bandwith right now and I would rather they not keep me o ntheir 'easy >> > targets' list. Does anyone know how to do this -- if not with >> > fail2ban than with some other tool? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Matt >> > -- >> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 19 16:04:27 2014 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 12:04:27 -0400 Subject: OT? -- Banning IP's making high volume of bad requests In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <541C540B.1060805@ve3syb.ca> On 19/09/2014 7:44 AM, Matt Price wrote: > This morning I woke up to see hundreds of thousands of requests from > 2 IPs to a web page that has a known exploit. Here is a log entry: [snip] > I would like to tell fail2ban to block these IP's when this happens -- > they aren't doing any damage yet but they account for most of my > bandwith right now and I would rather they not keep me o ntheir 'easy > targets' list. Does anyone know how to do this -- if not with > fail2ban than with some other tool? If fail2ban isn't banning the IPs automatically I can't think of another tool that would do the job. One option would be to use the Apache error page URLs to have a PHP based page come up which could add the offending IP to the firewall with a DROP rule. When I have had to do this in the past I have added a static route to a non-existant IP address. Later I added the IP to hosts.deny. These days I would add a rule in iptables to drop traffic from the offending IP address. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 19 16:39:08 2014 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 12:39:08 -0400 Subject: Please Subscribe to the New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <541C5C2C.2010405@ve3syb.ca> On 15/09/2014 10:55 PM, John Moniz wrote: > One of the two methods to subscribe is to send an email to > talk-subscribe-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org, as per instructions. I sent an email on Sept 9 > but am not yet on the list. I will send another email but am wondering how > long it takes to be accepted and placed on the list. I've also been wondering if the new list is will send an acknowledgement that I was added to the list. I have sent two messages and received no response. I have checked my hosts SPAM folders and do not see any reply. I do have one filter that could discard the reply if the list isn't configured correctly. If the reply contains a From: header that contains my email address in it that message will be discarded. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 19 17:36:48 2014 From: northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Thornton) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:36:48 -0400 Subject: Please Subscribe to the New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: <541C5C2C.2010405-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <541C5C2C.2010405@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: I to have sent a message to talk-subscribe-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org with no idea if it worked or not. Help! email is hard. David On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > On 15/09/2014 10:55 PM, John Moniz wrote: > >> One of the two methods to subscribe is to send an email to >> talk-subscribe-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org, as per instructions. I sent an email on Sept 9 >> but am not yet on the list. I will send another email but am wondering how >> long it takes to be accepted and placed on the list. >> > > I've also been wondering if the new list is will send an acknowledgement > that I was added to the list. I have sent two messages and received no > response. I have checked my hosts SPAM folders and do not see any reply. > > I do have one filter that could discard the reply if the list isn't > configured correctly. If the reply contains a From: header that contains my > email address in it that message will be discarded. > > -- > Cheers! > > Kevin. > > http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that > distract > Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're > | powerful!" > #include | --Chris Hardwick > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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David On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:36 PM, David Thornton wrote: > I to have sent a message to talk-subscribe-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org with no idea if it > worked or not. > > Help! email is hard. > > David > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > >> On 15/09/2014 10:55 PM, John Moniz wrote: >> >>> One of the two methods to subscribe is to send an email to >>> talk-subscribe-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org, as per instructions. I sent an email on Sept >>> 9 >>> but am not yet on the list. I will send another email but am wondering >>> how >>> long it takes to be accepted and placed on the list. >>> >> >> I've also been wondering if the new list is will send an acknowledgement >> that I was added to the list. I have sent two messages and received no >> response. I have checked my hosts SPAM folders and do not see any reply. >> >> I do have one filter that could discard the reply if the list isn't >> configured correctly. If the reply contains a From: header that contains my >> email address in it that message will be discarded. >> >> -- >> Cheers! >> >> Kevin. >> >> http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that >> distract >> Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why >> we're >> | powerful!" >> #include | --Chris Hardwick >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 19 17:50:46 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:50:46 -0400 Subject: Please Subscribe to the New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: <541C5C2C.2010405-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <541C5C2C.2010405@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > On 15/09/2014 10:55 PM, John Moniz wrote: >> >> One of the two methods to subscribe is to send an email to >> talk-subscribe-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org, as per instructions. I sent an email on Sept 9 >> but am not yet on the list. I will send another email but am wondering how >> long it takes to be accepted and placed on the list. > > > I've also been wondering if the new list is will send an acknowledgement > that I was added to the list. I have sent two messages and received no > response. I have checked my hosts SPAM folders and do not see any reply. Figured out the issue. I forgot to set the `myhostname` to the FQDN in Postfix. It should work now. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 19 18:25:22 2014 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:25:22 -0400 Subject: Please Subscribe to the New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: <541C5C2C.2010405@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: On 09/19/2014 01:36 PM, David Thornton wrote: > I to have sent a message to talk-subscribe-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org > with no idea if it worked or not. > > Help! email is hard. > > David I sent another email to the same address but don't know if I'm on the list either. Someone, have to check who, offered to put me on manually if it still didn't work. > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Kevin Cozens > wrote: > > On 15/09/2014 10:55 PM, John Moniz wrote: > > One of the two methods to subscribe is to send an email to > talk-subscribe-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org , > as per instructions. I sent an email on Sept 9 > but am not yet on the list. I will send another email but am > wondering how > long it takes to be accepted and placed on the list. > > > I've also been wondering if the new list is will send an > acknowledgement that I was added to the list. I have sent two > messages and received no response. I have checked my hosts SPAM > folders and do not see any reply. > > I do have one filter that could discard the reply if the list > isn't configured correctly. If the reply contains a From: header > that contains my email address in it that message will be discarded. > > -- > Cheers! > > Kevin. > > http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract > Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's > why we're > | powerful!" > #include | --Chris Hardwick > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ask and ye shall receive, I'm on the list. > >> >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Kevin Cozens > > wrote: >> >> On 15/09/2014 10:55 PM, John Moniz wrote: >> >> One of the two methods to subscribe is to send an email to >> talk-subscribe-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org , >> as per instructions. I sent an email on Sept 9 >> but am not yet on the list. I will send another email but am >> wondering how >> long it takes to be accepted and placed on the list. >> >> >> I've also been wondering if the new list is will send an >> acknowledgement that I was added to the list. I have sent two >> messages and received no response. I have checked my hosts SPAM >> folders and do not see any reply. >> >> I do have one filter that could discard the reply if the list >> isn't configured correctly. If the reply contains a From: header >> that contains my email address in it that message will be discarded. >> >> -- >> Cheers! >> >> Kevin. >> >> http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract >> Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's >> why we're >> | powerful!" >> #include | --Chris Hardwick >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 21 01:16:44 2014 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:16:44 -0400 Subject: Please Subscribe to the New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: <541C5C2C.2010405@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20140921011644.GA22057@waltdnes.org> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 01:50:46PM -0400, Myles Braithwaite wrote > Figured out the issue. I forgot to set the `myhostname` to the FQDN > in Postfix. It should work now. OK, I'm subscribed, via the web form. A couple of questions... 1) Can I assume that the header... X-BeenThere: talk-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org will be present in all messages? I use this to tell procmail to whitelist mailing list emails and send them to the appropriate folder... 2) Hopefully it doesn't run in "Chip Rosenthal mode", where replies go only to the original author by default. For the lists I'm on that do this, I have a procmail/formail ruleset that rewrites the "Reply-To:" header to point to the mailing list. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 21 01:43:38 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:43:38 -0400 Subject: Please Subscribe to the New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20140921011644.GA22057-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <541C5C2C.2010405@ve3syb.ca> <20140921011644.GA22057@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: > 1) Can I assume that the header... > > X-BeenThere: talk-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org > > will be present in all messages? I use this to tell procmail to whitelist > mailing list emails and send them to the appropriate folder... Yes. > 2) Hopefully it doesn't run in "Chip Rosenthal mode", where replies go > only to the original author by default. For the lists I'm on that do > this, I have a procmail/formail ruleset that rewrites the "Reply-To:" > header to point to the mailing list. No. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 21 15:12:14 2014 From: davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (David Collier-Brown) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:12:14 -0400 Subject: Please Subscribe to the New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20140921011644.GA22057-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <541C5C2C.2010405@ve3syb.ca> <20140921011644.GA22057@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <541EEACE.9030508@rogers.com> On 09/20/2014 09:16 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 01:50:46PM -0400, Myles Braithwaite wrote > >> Figured out the issue. I forgot to set the `myhostname` to the FQDN >> in Postfix. It should work now. > OK, I'm subscribed, via the web form. A couple of questions... > > 1) Can I assume that the header... > > X-BeenThere: talk-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org > > will be present in all messages? I use this to tell procmail to whitelist > mailing list emails and send them to the appropriate folder... > > 2) Hopefully it doesn't run in "Chip Rosenthal mode", where replies go > only to the original author by default. For the lists I'm on that do > this, I have a procmail/formail ruleset that rewrites the "Reply-To:" > header to point to the mailing list. > The bizarre rewrite is often a kludge to try to get around a failing anti-spam effort by Yahoo in the US and Canada. The "From" address of a remailed message needs to be the list to avoid being rejected (at the SMTP level!), and people then set the reply-to to the individual so they get replies. In most cases reply-to should point to the list, except for announce lists like ontbirds. --dave -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org | -- Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 21 15:15:13 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:15:13 -0400 Subject: Please Subscribe to the New GTALUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: <541EEACE.9030508-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <541C5C2C.2010405@ve3syb.ca> <20140921011644.GA22057@waltdnes.org> <541EEACE.9030508@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sunday, September 21, 2014, David Collier-Brown wrote: > The bizarre rewrite is often a kludge to try to get around a failing > anti-spam effort by Yahoo in the US and Canada. The "From" address of a > remailed message needs to be the list to avoid being rejected (at the SMTP > level!), and people then set the reply-to to the individual so they get > replies. In most cases reply-to should point to the list, except for > announce lists like ontbirds. > The announce-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org list is set to Reply-To to the talk-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org list. -- Myles Braithwaite | http://mylesb.ca/e -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In most cases > reply-to should point to the list, except for announce lists like > ontbirds. > > > The announce-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org list is set to > Reply-To to the talk-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org list. > > -- > Myles Braithwaite | http://mylesb.ca/e Elegant! --dave -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org | -- Mark Twain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 22 13:21:17 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:21:17 -0400 Subject: Please Subscribe to the New GTALUG Talks Mailing List Message-ID: GTALUG is in the process of moving to a new server and domain for our Mailing List. Go here for more information. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 25 02:03:22 2014 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 22:03:22 -0400 Subject: [Security] Update bash *NOW* Message-ID: <20140925020322.GA22053@waltdnes.org> Slashdot article http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/09/24/1638207/remote-exploit-vulnerability-found-in-bash Story at http://www.csoonline.com/article/2687265/application-security/remote-exploit-in-bash-cve-2014-6271.html CVE ID CVE-2014-6271 at http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q3/650 Summary... bash scripts, CGI, perl via "system()", and various other "commands" invoke a bash shell at times, passing environmental variables in the process. Problem is that an "environmental variable" ***CAN CONTAIN A FUNCTION DEFINITION, AND EXECUTE IT WHILST SPAWNING A NEW SHELL***. E.g. execute the command... env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test" ...and you get the following... vulnerable this is a test Replace... x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' ...with malicious stuff, and it could get ugly. bash-4.2_p48 seems to fix this security hole. The same "env" command results in... bash: warning: x: ignoring function definition attempt bash: error importing function definition for `x' this is a test -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 25 14:50:54 2014 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:50:54 -0400 Subject: [Security] Update bash *NOW* In-Reply-To: <20140925020322.GA22053-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20140925020322.GA22053@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20140925145054.6037648.43182.4079@gmail.com> ?Ya, Seem all over news. If you are managing public git through gitolite, you may want to look at it asap. William? ? Original Message ? From: Walter Dnes Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:04 PM To: Toronto Linux Users Group Reply To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: [Security] Update bash *NOW* Slashdot article http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/09/24/1638207/remote-exploit-vulnerability-found-in-bash Story at http://www.csoonline.com/article/2687265/application-security/remote-exploit-in-bash-cve-2014-6271.html CVE ID CVE-2014-6271 at http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q3/650 Summary... bash scripts, CGI, perl via "system()", and various other "commands" invoke a bash shell at times, passing environmental variables in the process. Problem is that an "environmental variable" ***CAN CONTAIN A FUNCTION DEFINITION, AND EXECUTE IT WHILST SPAWNING A NEW SHELL***. E.g. execute the command... env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test" ...and you get the following... vulnerable this is a test Replace... x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' ...with malicious stuff, and it could get ugly. bash-4.2_p48 seems to fix this security hole. The same "env" command results in... bash: warning: x: ignoring function definition attempt bash: error importing function definition for `x' this is a test -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 25 17:26:41 2014 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 13:26:41 -0400 Subject: [Security] Update bash *NOW* In-Reply-To: <20140925020322.GA22053-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20140925020322.GA22053@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20140925172641.6037648.56336.4102@gmail.com> ?This is interesting. Only one person maintain bash, really? ?Similarly, the responsibility for Bash lies with just one person - Chet Ramey, a developer based at Case Western Reserve University in Ohio. ? http://m.bbc.com/news/technology-29361794 William? ? Slashdot article http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/09/24/1638207/remote-exploit-vulnerability-found-in-bash Story at http://www.csoonline.com/article/2687265/application-security/remote-exploit-in-bash-cve-2014-6271.html CVE ID CVE-2014-6271 at http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q3/650 Summary... bash scripts, CGI, perl via "system()", and various other "commands" invoke a bash shell at times, passing environmental variables in the process. Problem is that an "environmental variable" ***CAN CONTAIN A FUNCTION DEFINITION, AND EXECUTE IT WHILST SPAWNING A NEW SHELL***. E.g. execute the command... env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test" ...and you get the following... vulnerable this is a test Replace... x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' ...with malicious stuff, and it could get ugly. bash-4.2_p48 seems to fix this security hole. The same "env" command results in... bash: warning: x: ignoring function definition attempt bash: error importing function definition for `x' this is a test -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 26 00:15:48 2014 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 20:15:48 -0400 Subject: [Security] Update bash *NOW* In-Reply-To: <20140925020322.GA22053-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20140925020322.GA22053@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > Slashdot article http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/09/24/1638207/remote-exploit-vulnerability-found-in-bash > > Story at http://www.csoonline.com/article/2687265/application-security/remote-exploit-in-bash-cve-2014-6271.html > > CVE ID CVE-2014-6271 at http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q3/650 > > Summary... bash scripts, CGI, perl via "system()", and various other > "commands" invoke a bash shell at times, passing environmental variables > in the process. Problem is that an "environmental variable" ***CAN > CONTAIN A FUNCTION DEFINITION, AND EXECUTE IT WHILST SPAWNING A NEW > SHELL***. E.g. execute the command... Some scary bits I've seen today: Looks like DHCP servers can leverage it: Web server log entry with a shellshock signature and wanting to run rm -rf / And via there's now a 'wopbot' on the loose: -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 http://psema4.com/pubkey.txt http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 26 08:30:30 2014 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 04:30:30 -0400 Subject: [Security] Update the security update In-Reply-To: <20140925020322.GA22053-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20140925020322.GA22053@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20140926083030.GA29199@waltdnes.org> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:03:22PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote > ...with malicious stuff, and it could get ugly. bash-4.2_p48 seems > to fix this security hole. The same "env" command results in... > > bash: warning: x: ignoring function definition attempt > bash: error importing function definition for `x' > this is a test Additional problems have been discovered that were not addressed by the first patch, so an updated patch has been released. Make sure you have at least bash-4.2_p48-r1 (Note the "-r1"). -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 26 14:49:08 2014 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:49:08 -0400 Subject: [Security] Update bash *NOW* In-Reply-To: References: <20140925020322.GA22053@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <54257CE4.9020402@moores.ca> I've checked our servers. From what I've seen, for the exploit to work with apache, you need to have CGI enabled, have a bash script in the cgi-bin directory, and do a crafted http request for that script. If the executable file requested does not exist, or if it is not a bash script, the exploit will not work. I did find attempts to hack our machines today, but due to the above constraints, they appear to have failed. None the less, we are updating bash on everything as we speak. Regards, Darryl On 14-09-25 08:15 PM, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: >> Slashdot article http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/09/24/1638207/remote-exploit-vulnerability-found-in-bash >> >> Story at http://www.csoonline.com/article/2687265/application-security/remote-exploit-in-bash-cve-2014-6271.html >> >> CVE ID CVE-2014-6271 at http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q3/650 >> >> Summary... bash scripts, CGI, perl via "system()", and various other >> "commands" invoke a bash shell at times, passing environmental variables >> in the process. Problem is that an "environmental variable" ***CAN >> CONTAIN A FUNCTION DEFINITION, AND EXECUTE IT WHILST SPAWNING A NEW >> SHELL***. E.g. execute the command... > > Some scary bits I've seen today: > > Looks like DHCP servers can leverage it: > > > Web server log entry with a shellshock signature and wanting to run rm > -rf / > > And via there's now a 'wopbot' > on the loose: > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 26 16:40:28 2014 From: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Clive DaSilva) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:40:28 -0400 Subject: [Security] Update bash *NOW* In-Reply-To: <54257CE4.9020402-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20140925020322.GA22053@waltdnes.org> <54257CE4.9020402@moores.ca> Message-ID: <008a01cfd9a8$95030550$bf090ff0$@iprimus.ca> On this subject, I have three Linux boxes in my basement, two are Fedora 20, and one Linuxmint 17. It seems as if I am getting bash and dbus updates once or twice a day now. Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Darryl Moore Sent: September-26-14 10:49 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: [Security] Update bash *NOW* I've checked our servers. From what I've seen, for the exploit to work with apache, you need to have CGI enabled, have a bash script in the cgi-bin directory, and do a crafted http request for that script. If the executable file requested does not exist, or if it is not a bash script, the exploit will not work. I did find attempts to hack our machines today, but due to the above constraints, they appear to have failed. None the less, we are updating bash on everything as we speak. Regards, Darryl On 14-09-25 08:15 PM, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: >> Slashdot article >> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/09/24/1638207/remote-exploit-vulne >> rability-found-in-bash >> >> Story at >> http://www.csoonline.com/article/2687265/application-security/remote- >> exploit-in-bash-cve-2014-6271.html >> >> CVE ID CVE-2014-6271 at http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q3/650 >> >> Summary... bash scripts, CGI, perl via "system()", and various >> other "commands" invoke a bash shell at times, passing environmental >> variables in the process. Problem is that an "environmental >> variable" ***CAN CONTAIN A FUNCTION DEFINITION, AND EXECUTE IT WHILST >> SPAWNING A NEW SHELL***. E.g. execute the command... > > Some scary bits I've seen today: > > Looks like DHCP servers can leverage it: > oncept/> > > Web server log entry with a shellshock signature and wanting to run rm > -rf / > > And via there's now a 'wopbot' > on the loose: > akamai-us-dod-networks.aspx> > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 26 15:04:58 2014 From: sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Steve Harvey) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:04:58 -0400 Subject: [Security] Update bash *NOW* In-Reply-To: <54257CE4.9020402-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20140925020322.GA22053@waltdnes.org> <54257CE4.9020402@moores.ca> Message-ID: <20140926150458.GB28453@vex.net> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 10:49:08AM -0400, Darryl Moore wrote: > I've checked our servers. From what I've seen, for the exploit to work > with apache, you need to have CGI enabled, have a bash script in the > cgi-bin directory, and do a crafted http request for that script. If the The executable, whether a script or binary file, does not need to be bash. It only needs to cause a bash script to be invoked from *somewhere*, as long as that bash script inherits the environment set up by CGI. From what I've read, some DHCP clients may be vulnerable. Unfortunately, those clients tend to be run as root. This is a really scary bug, considering how easy it is to exploit. > executable file requested does not exist, or if it is not a bash script, > the exploit will not work. > > I did find attempts to hack our machines today, but due to the above > constraints, they appear to have failed. > > None the less, we are updating bash on everything as we speak. > > Regards, > Darryl > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 26 21:02:12 2014 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 17:02:12 -0400 Subject: [Security] Update bash *NOW* In-Reply-To: <20140926150458.GB28453-Ja3L+HSX0kI@public.gmane.org> References: <20140925020322.GA22053@waltdnes.org> <54257CE4.9020402@moores.ca> <20140926150458.GB28453@vex.net> Message-ID: <20140926210212.GA13318@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:04:58AM -0400, Steve Harvey wrote: > The executable, whether a script or binary file, does not need to be bash. > It only needs to cause a bash script to be invoked from *somewhere*, as > long as that bash script inherits the environment set up by CGI. > > From what I've read, some DHCP clients may be vulnerable. Unfortunately, > those clients tend to be run as root. Took me about 5 minutes to create a dhcp config that created a file in /tmp as root on a client. So yes it is. To work around that (other than installing a fixed bash), make sure none of the scripts your dhcp client runs use '#!/bin/bash', which at least in debian they do by default. Also make sure /bin/sh is not bash (which at least on Debian it hasn't been by default for years). > This is a really scary bug, considering how easy it is to exploit. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 26 23:18:38 2014 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 19:18:38 -0400 Subject: Microsoft Calls Message-ID: <608a22fb1b656a2aee2a7392d2259ccf.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Just got a call from someone claiming that my Microsoft computers needed fixing. When I told him I was running Linux, he said 'You are one of those anti-social guys'. I told him he is a criminal. I think my insult was better than his. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 26 23:24:30 2014 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 19:24:30 -0400 Subject: [GTALUG] [TLUG]: Microsoft Calls In-Reply-To: <608a22fb1b656a2aee2a7392d2259ccf.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <608a22fb1b656a2aee2a7392d2259ccf.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: I once got the helpful response that they were transferring me to one of their Linux experts. The software they use to take control of your PC has a Linux version, so the scam could conceivably work against one of "our" systems. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard.gibson-PadmjKOQAFnQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org jhowardgibson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 27 00:50:06 2014 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 20:50:06 -0400 Subject: Microsoft Calls In-Reply-To: References: <608a22fb1b656a2aee2a7392d2259ccf.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20140926205006.06998991e6cd7dcf568679ac@eol.ca> On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 19:24:30 -0400 Christopher Browne wrote: > I once got the helpful response that they were transferring me to one of > their Linux experts. The software they use to take control of your PC has > a Linux version, so the scam could conceivably work against one of "our" > systems. If I am online when the call comes, I play stupid and I tell them I cannot find the "Start" button. Someone did manage to get to a website with remote terminal software that had a Linux version. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard.gibson-PadmjKOQAFnQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org jhowardgibson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 27 02:29:59 2014 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 19:29:59 -0700 Subject: Microsoft Calls In-Reply-To: <20140926205006.06998991e6cd7dcf568679ac-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <608a22fb1b656a2aee2a7392d2259ccf.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20140926205006.06998991e6cd7dcf568679ac@eol.ca> Message-ID: that's awesome! you know linux is getting traction when the scammers actually take time to support it. I always wanted to take build a VM machine that had dirty popups and a sick background image (tub girl / goatse perhaps) and grant them access to that if they called to scam me :-) On 2014-09-26 5:50 PM, "Howard Gibson" wrote: > On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 19:24:30 -0400 > Christopher Browne wrote: > > > I once got the helpful response that they were transferring me to one of > > their Linux experts. The software they use to take control of your PC > has > > a Linux version, so the scam could conceivably work against one of "our" > > systems. > > If I am online when the call comes, I play stupid and I tell them I > cannot find the "Start" button. Someone did manage to get to a website > with remote terminal software that had a Linux version. > > > -- > Howard Gibson > hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org > howard.gibson-PadmjKOQAFnQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org > jhowardgibson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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I can't figure out which criminal outfit to vote for. Perhaps the one that promises a digital chicken in every pot. A campaign based on; If elected I promise I'll track down every Bash Operator From Hell. First we go after the mime's. %switching to decaff now Russell On 9/26/14, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Just got a call from someone claiming that my Microsoft computers needed > fixing. > > When I told him I was running Linux, he said 'You are one of those > anti-social guys'. > > I told him he is a criminal. > > I think my insult was better than his. > > Peter > > > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > http://www.syscompdesign.com > USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > 647-839-0325 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 27 14:28:26 2014 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:28:26 -0400 Subject: Microsoft Calls In-Reply-To: References: <608a22fb1b656a2aee2a7392d2259ccf.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: My recollection of high school was that 'being antisocial' was the worst thing you could say to someone. I recall being told that on several occasions. Really what it means is 'You aren't paying enough attention to *me*'. The correct nerd response to that should be 'Actually, anti-social is not correct. Anti-social implies that I am against socializing. That's not true at all. The correct term is asocial, that is, being social does not interest me'. This all came to a head at the grade 13 class party, where the Blonde Goddess in the class railed at me for bringing my floater ring, model boat, and other toys. I was under the apparently misapprehension that we were there to have Fun, but we evidently had different ideas of Fun. Peter > This is an interesting philosophical question. Is it possible for a > truth to be insulting? > > I know Peter is not anti-social, so I know that the phone guy was > false in what he said. However does this mean what Peter said was > true. > > On a balance of probabilities I'd say yes. > > Sorry .... too much electioneering happening in Toronto these days. I > can't figure out which criminal outfit to vote for. Perhaps the one > that promises a digital chicken in every pot. A campaign based on; If > elected I promise I'll track down every Bash Operator From Hell. > First we go after the mime's. > > %switching to decaff now > > Russell > > > On 9/26/14, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >> Just got a call from someone claiming that my Microsoft computers needed >> fixing. >> >> When I told him I was running Linux, he said 'You are one of those >> anti-social guys'. >> >> I told him he is a criminal. >> >> I think my insult was better than his. >> >> Peter >> >> >> -- >> Peter Hiscocks >> Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto >> http://www.syscompdesign.com >> USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator >> 647-839-0325 >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 27 16:42:09 2014 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 11:42:09 -0500 Subject: Microsoft Calls In-Reply-To: References: <608a22fb1b656a2aee2a7392d2259ccf.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: Speaking of Fun. I dug into the tickle trunk and pulled out a SODIMM and added 256mb to the flaky Toshiba you offered up to the list a while ago. That RAM coupled with Debian XFCE and using LightDM dropped the drive temperature sensor below 40c on normal video load. Xine worked for digital video's and surfing with Iceweasel was no problem. I'm assuming that the bios had sensed the extra RAM memory and updated the video aperture from 32M to 64M. Although I couldn't see a way to force either up or down in the bios. I saw somewhere that it will automatically set to 128M on 1 gig of ram. Here's how I trashed the hard drive. BTW I'm changing my self definition from Blunt Force Hacker to Ham Handed Hacker. Remember I'm searching for a solution to a problem I perceive in a Hardware Abstraction Layer. Reported as the MP bios bug. it is the Multi Processor, or as some wag had named it, the Military Potential bug, because your battery might blow up accidentally on purpose. The DSDT fix for the routing for the the timer had already been applied on install of this Debian Spin onto the Toshiba. It seems to have had little real effect except for reducing dmesg errors, however the ACPI timer sill wasn't connecting the clock through IRO0. Applying the Radeon firmware helped somewhat, but it was the extra ram which kept the drive temperature from rising too quickly. There is no cpu temperature sensor so I was monitoring the drive temperature to try and figure out if improving chassis cooling would help. Then I did apt-get update and installed Google Chrome and all its package updates. I opened up a web page and walked away. A couple of minutes later I went back and the drive temp was 47 and rising one degree every 5 seconds or so, then the screen went black. Now that was fun! I have another drive but I'm looking around for a 1gig PC2700 SODIMM before I have at it again. I haven't touched the other Toshiba yet. My girlfriend won't let me reflow the Motherboard in our oven at home. Cheers Russell On 9/27/14, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > My recollection of high school was that 'being antisocial' was the worst > thing you could say to someone. I recall being told that on several > occasions. Really what it means is 'You aren't paying enough attention to > *me*'. > > The correct nerd response to that should be 'Actually, anti-social is not > correct. Anti-social implies that I am against socializing. That's not > true at all. The correct term is asocial, that is, being social does not > interest me'. > > This all came to a head at the grade 13 class party, where the Blonde > Goddess in the class railed at me for bringing my floater ring, model > boat, and other toys. I was under the apparently misapprehension that we > were there to have Fun, but we evidently had different ideas of Fun. > > Peter > >> This is an interesting philosophical question. Is it possible for a >> truth to be insulting? >> >> I know Peter is not anti-social, so I know that the phone guy was >> false in what he said. However does this mean what Peter said was >> true. >> >> On a balance of probabilities I'd say yes. >> >> Sorry .... too much electioneering happening in Toronto these days. I >> can't figure out which criminal outfit to vote for. Perhaps the one >> that promises a digital chicken in every pot. A campaign based on; If >> elected I promise I'll track down every Bash Operator From Hell. >> First we go after the mime's. >> >> %switching to decaff now >> >> Russell >> >> >> On 9/26/14, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> Just got a call from someone claiming that my Microsoft computers needed >>> fixing. >>> >>> When I told him I was running Linux, he said 'You are one of those >>> anti-social guys'. >>> >>> I told him he is a criminal. >>> >>> I think my insult was better than his. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Peter Hiscocks >>> Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto >>> http://www.syscompdesign.com >>> USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator >>> 647-839-0325 >>> >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > http://www.syscompdesign.com > USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > 647-839-0325 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 28 14:53:20 2014 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (David Mason) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:53:20 -0400 Subject: [Security] Update bash *NOW* In-Reply-To: <20140926210212.GA13318-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20140925020322.GA22053@waltdnes.org> <54257CE4.9020402@moores.ca> <20140926150458.GB28453@vex.net> <20140926210212.GA13318@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 26 September 2014 17:02, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > To work around that (other than installing a fixed bash), make sure none > of the scripts your dhcp client runs use '#!/bin/bash', which at least > in debian they do by default. Also make sure /bin/sh is not bash (which > at least on Debian it hasn't been by default for years). I thought I was safe because I don't use CGIs, but I use SSI heavily - same problem. If you're not lucky enough to run Debian or Ubuntu, you can install dash and link /bin/sh to it. That solved my problem on MacOSX where we're still waiting for an Apple patch (I'm actually much happier with dash being /bin/sh). ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 14:10:17 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:10:17 -0400 Subject: Please subscribe to the new GTALUG Talks List Message-ID: GTALUG is in the process of moving to a new server and domain for our Mailing List. Go here for more information. You will *not* be automatically subscribed to the new list. This list (tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) will be dead (all new mail will be forwarded to /dev/null) by the 30th September, 2014. If you have any questions, comments, or concerns feel free to contact me. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 30 03:37:16 2014 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 23:37:16 -0400 Subject: Please subscribe to the new GTALUG Talks List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <542A256C.30682.6E5F0D7@sciguy.vex.net> I am not getting messages after subscribing a while ago, also. I just sent an email to talk-subscribe-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org as suggested on your web page, but have never gotten any feedback as to whether my subscription was successful. Paul King On 29 Sep 2014 at 10:10, Myles Braithwaite wrote: Date sent: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:10:17 -0400 Subject: [TLUG]: Please subscribe to the new GTALUG Talks List From: Myles Braithwaite To: GTA Linux User Group Send reply to: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > GTALUG is in the process of moving to a new server and domain for our > Mailing List. Go here for more > information. > > You will *not* be automatically subscribed to the new list. > > This list (tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) will be dead (all new mail will be forwarded > to /dev/null) by the 30th September, 2014. > > If you have any questions, comments, or concerns feel free to contact me. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 30 14:54:28 2014 From: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Clive DaSilva) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 10:54:28 -0400 Subject: Please subscribe to the new GTALUG Talks List In-Reply-To: <542A256C.30682.6E5F0D7-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <542A256C.30682.6E5F0D7@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <005601cfdcbe$70dfb600$529f2200$@iprimus.ca> Hello Paul I have the same issue with tlug right now Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Paul King Sent: September-29-14 11:37 PM To: Myles Braithwaite; tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org; owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Please subscribe to the new GTALUG Talks List I am not getting messages after subscribing a while ago, also. I just sent an email to talk-subscribe-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org as suggested on your web page, but have never gotten any feedback as to whether my subscription was successful. Paul King On 29 Sep 2014 at 10:10, Myles Braithwaite wrote: Date sent: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:10:17 -0400 Subject: [TLUG]: Please subscribe to the new GTALUG Talks List From: Myles Braithwaite To: GTA Linux User Group Send reply to: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > GTALUG is in the process of moving to a new server and domain for our > Mailing List. Go here for more > information. > > You will *not* be automatically subscribed to the new list. > > This list (tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) will be dead (all new mail will be forwarded > to /dev/null) by the 30th September, 2014. > > If you have any questions, comments, or concerns feel free to contact me. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How > to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 30 17:32:49 2014 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:32:49 -0400 Subject: [GTALUG] [TLUG]: Please subscribe to the new GTALUG Talks List In-Reply-To: <005601cfdcbe$70dfb600$529f2200$@iprimus.ca> References: <542A256C.30682.6E5F0D7@sciguy.vex.net> <005601cfdcbe$70dfb600$529f2200$@iprimus.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Clive DaSilva wrote: > Hello Paul > > I have the same issue with tlug right now > > Clive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Paul King > Sent: September-29-14 11:37 PM > To: Myles Braithwaite; tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org; owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Please subscribe to the new GTALUG Talks List > > I am not getting messages after subscribing a while ago, also. I just sent > an email to talk-subscribe-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org as suggested on your web page, but > have never gotten any feedback as to whether my subscription was > successful. > > Paul King > I see Clive's address on the list of members of the new list, but not Paul's, so there is some kind of difference between the issues you are having. Note that we are using Mailman for the new list, which has the consequence that there is a particular "two phase commit" to the process of subscribing; you should expect to get a message indicating that an application for that address has been added, and that you should visit an approval URL as the approximation to indicate that it "really was you" that did so. It is possible that some over-exuberant spam filters might mark the administrative messages from the mailing list manager as "spam"; that should not come as super-surprising in this world where MOST email is apparently spam. It might prove simpler to interact with the mailing list software via the web interface; visit . Clive appears to already be fully added to the new list, so when there is traffic, I'd expect Clive to see that. (Indeed, this message is being sent to both lists, so Clive might well see two copies.) I could add Paul "by hand" to the list, though it seems to me as though it is preferable to retry, and perhaps figure out what problem was preventing subscription to work. I will observe that the new list hasn't been vastly active, so it's possible that Clive happened not to see any traffic. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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