From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sun May 4 12:42:56 2014 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 08:42:56 -0400 Subject: Upgraded to Trusty, can't play WMV files Message-ID: Subject says most of it. Since I upgraded them to Kubuntu 14.04 Trusty, none of my desktops can play WMV files anymore (though Handbrake can still convert them to something else). I see that Medibuntu has gone away but I still have the 'w64codecs' package installed. Any suggestions? Thanks! -- Evan Leibovitch Toronto Canada Em: evan at telly dot org Sk: evanleibovitch Tw: el56 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Seem you can do the same damage through post that you can execute using put and delete yet, we don't disable the former. What is your opinion or experience with the two HTTP methods? Would appreciate some enlightenment/criticism here. Thanks in advance. William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 7 14:17:50 2014 From: thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mauro Souza) Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 11:17:50 -0300 Subject: Put and delete - HTTP method In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For me, it looks like PUT and DELETE was something devised to be used, ended up on the RFC, but not widely implemented. I never saw it working anywhere, and all my servers reply with "HTTP 405 - Method not allowed" when I try PUT or DELETE. If your systems have PUT and/or DELETE enabled, you should disable them. Or redirect to a honeypot somewhere and have some fun. If you redirect, you could send us the results later. I love seeing honeypot logs... Mauro http://mauro.limeiratem.com - registered Linux User: 294521 Scripture is both history, and a love letter from God. 2014-05-07 11:08 GMT-03:00 William Muriithi : > Morning, > > I am curious to hear what opinion or experience this group has on > disabling HTTP put and delete method. > > Essentially, last week, I scanned around to see if there is weakness on > the systems I support that's exposed to the public. I am looking through > the results and it feel like put and delete shouldn't be enabled. The lines > below appear across all the systems results > > + OSVDB-397: HTTP method ('Allow' Header): 'PUT' method could allow > clients to save files on the web server. > + OSVDB-5646: HTTP method ('Allow' Header): 'DELETE' may allow clients to > remove files on the web server. > > To be sincere I don't see a problem with put and delete from a bit of > Googling I have done. Seem you can do the same damage through post that you > can execute using put and delete yet, we don't disable the former. > > What is your opinion or experience with the two HTTP methods? Would > appreciate some enlightenment/criticism here. > > Thanks in advance. > > William > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 7 14:37:43 2014 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 10:37:43 -0400 Subject: Put and delete - HTTP method In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe PUT and DELETE are typically used for REST interfaces. If your web server doesn't implement those two commands, I don't think you have anything to worry about. Alex On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM, William Muriithi < william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Morning, > > I am curious to hear what opinion or experience this group has on > disabling HTTP put and delete method. > > Essentially, last week, I scanned around to see if there is weakness on > the systems I support that's exposed to the public. I am looking through > the results and it feel like put and delete shouldn't be enabled. The lines > below appear across all the systems results > > + OSVDB-397: HTTP method ('Allow' Header): 'PUT' method could allow > clients to save files on the web server. > + OSVDB-5646: HTTP method ('Allow' Header): 'DELETE' may allow clients to > remove files on the web server. > > To be sincere I don't see a problem with put and delete from a bit of > Googling I have done. Seem you can do the same damage through post that you > can execute using put and delete yet, we don't disable the former. > > What is your opinion or experience with the two HTTP methods? Would > appreciate some enlightenment/criticism here. > > Thanks in advance. > > William > -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed May 7 15:34:17 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 11:34:17 -0400 Subject: Put and delete - HTTP method In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM, William Muriithi wrote: > What is your opinion or experience with the two HTTP methods? Would > appreciate some enlightenment/criticism here. CouchDB uses the PUT requests to create new databases, documents, designs and views documents and it uses DELETE to (shockingly) delete records . WebDAV also uses the PUT and DELETE methods: . The first draft of all the HTTP REST APIs I write support all the different HTTP methods but they usually don't make it out into production because not many people know about them. -- Myles Braithwaite | http://mylesb.ca/e -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 7 16:11:03 2014 From: davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (David Collier-Brown) Date: Wed, 07 May 2014 12:11:03 -0400 Subject: A note to everyone who knows Colin McGregor Message-ID: <536A5B17.7040504@rogers.com> His mother died on the second of May. The funeral will be Friday at O'Dacre Family Funeral Home, 15 Victoria St., Perth, ON. Visitation will start at 10 AM, the funeral service will start at 11 AM with a reception to follow. Further information is at http://www.odacrefamily.ca Click on OBITUARIES at the top - her name was Mary McGregor. --dave -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org | -- Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed May 7 19:27:39 2014 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 15:27:39 -0400 Subject: Remote rsync question Message-ID: <20140507192739.GA1450@waltdnes.org> The goal is to copy most of my home directory to another machine. In this case machine "aa1" (Acer Aspire One) over ssh. Is the following format correct? #!/bin/bash cd /home/waltdnes/ rm /home/waltdnes/rsync_log.txt /home/waltdnes/rserrors*.txt rsync --archive --links --group --itemize-changes --owner \ --perms --progress --recursive --size-only --stats --verbose \ --exclude-from=/home/waltdnes/.rsexclude \ --log-file=/home/waltdnes/rsync_log.txt \ /home/waltdnes/ aa1:/home/waltdnes/ 2>/root/rserrors1.txt .rsexclude would have entries like... /home/waltdnes/camera -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 7 19:32:57 2014 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 16:32:57 -0300 Subject: Remote rsync question In-Reply-To: <20140507192739.GA1450-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20140507192739.GA1450@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: Hello Walter, I do use rsync to make a backup of my home in the cloud (a server on the cloud). That?s what I?m using: #!/bin/bash rsync -Cravzp --progress ./ --exclude=".*/" --exclude="Videos/Filmes/" --exclude="Virtual*/" --exclude="isos/" myuser at myserver:/home/myuser/mydir/backups/ As you can see, |?m using a simple rsync, excluding only what I don?t want to be send. =================================================== Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha - Kalib P?s-Graduando em Governan?a de Tecnologia da Informa??o - EST?CIO/FIC Graduado em Sistemas de Informa??es - EST?CIO/FIC Usu?rio Linux #407564 | Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 Fortaleza - Cear? - Brazil Celular: +55 085 87620983 Certifica??es: ITIL V3 | CSM | LPI-C1 | LPI-C2 | LPI-C3 | Novell CLA Minha Pessoa: Blog Projetos: Tux-CE | Archlinux-br | Chakra | KDE Brasil | TLUG | PUG-CE =================================================== Proteja meu endere?o como estou protegendo o seu. N?o revele e-mail dos correspondentes: use Cco (Copia Carbonada Oculta). Retire os endere?os antes de reenviar. Dificulte assim a dissemina??o de v?rus e spam. 2014-05-07 16:27 GMT-03:00 Walter Dnes : > The goal is to copy most of my home directory to another machine. In > this case machine "aa1" (Acer Aspire One) over ssh. Is the following > format correct? > > #!/bin/bash > cd /home/waltdnes/ > rm /home/waltdnes/rsync_log.txt /home/waltdnes/rserrors*.txt > rsync --archive --links --group --itemize-changes --owner \ > --perms --progress --recursive --size-only --stats --verbose \ > --exclude-from=/home/waltdnes/.rsexclude \ > --log-file=/home/waltdnes/rsync_log.txt \ > /home/waltdnes/ aa1:/home/waltdnes/ 2>/root/rserrors1.txt > > .rsexclude would have entries like... > /home/waltdnes/camera > > -- > Walter Dnes > I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 7 19:39:17 2014 From: thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mauro Souza) Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 16:39:17 -0300 Subject: Remote rsync question In-Reply-To: References: <20140507192739.GA1450@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: I now use BT-Sync to keep my data, well, in sync... It works surprisingly well, setup is a breeze. It have arm and x86 versions, runs on my Android, my RasPi, my Dell notebook and on my cloud server. Haven't any issues with it yet. Mauro http://mauro.limeiratem.com - registered Linux User: 294521 Scripture is both history, and a love letter from God. 2014-05-07 16:32 GMT-03:00 Marcelo Cavalcante : > Hello Walter, > > I do use rsync to make a backup of my home in the cloud (a server on the > cloud). > > That?s what I?m using: > > #!/bin/bash > rsync -Cravzp --progress ./ --exclude=".*/" --exclude="Videos/Filmes/" > --exclude="Virtual*/" --exclude="isos/" > myuser at myserver:/home/myuser/mydir/backups/ > > As you can see, |?m using a simple rsync, excluding only what I don?t > want to be send. > =================================================== > > Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha - Kalib > > > P?s-Graduando em Governan?a de Tecnologia da Informa??o - EST?CIO/FIC > Graduado em Sistemas de Informa??es - EST?CIO/FIC > Usu?rio Linux #407564 | Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 > Fortaleza - Cear? - Brazil > Celular: +55 085 87620983 > Certifica??es: ITIL V3 | CSM | LPI-C1 | LPI-C2 | LPI-C3 | Novell CLA > Minha Pessoa: Blog > Projetos: Tux-CE | Archlinux-br | Chakra | KDE Brasil | TLUG | PUG-CE > > =================================================== > > > Proteja meu endere?o como estou protegendo o seu. > N?o revele e-mail dos correspondentes: use Cco (Copia Carbonada Oculta). > Retire os endere?os antes de reenviar. Dificulte assim a > dissemina??o de v?rus e spam. > > > 2014-05-07 16:27 GMT-03:00 Walter Dnes : > > The goal is to copy most of my home directory to another machine. In > > this case machine "aa1" (Acer Aspire One) over ssh. Is the following > > format correct? > > > > #!/bin/bash > > cd /home/waltdnes/ > > rm /home/waltdnes/rsync_log.txt /home/waltdnes/rserrors*.txt > > rsync --archive --links --group --itemize-changes --owner \ > > --perms --progress --recursive --size-only --stats --verbose \ > > --exclude-from=/home/waltdnes/.rsexclude \ > > --log-file=/home/waltdnes/rsync_log.txt \ > > /home/waltdnes/ aa1:/home/waltdnes/ 2>/root/rserrors1.txt > > > > .rsexclude would have entries like... > > /home/waltdnes/camera > > > > -- > > Walter Dnes > > I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed May 7 19:43:49 2014 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 15:43:49 -0400 Subject: Remote rsync question In-Reply-To: <20140507192739.GA1450-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20140507192739.GA1450@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20140507194349.GA68261@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> I have the relevant parts of my home dir in RCS, SVN for historical reasons, but would use git if I started today. I can checkout to my laptop and check in changes. Backups are a clone or checkout to elsewhere. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed May 7 19:47:06 2014 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 15:47:06 -0400 Subject: A note to everyone who knows Colin McGregor In-Reply-To: <536A5B17.7040504-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <536A5B17.7040504@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20140507194706.GA7950@node1.localdomain> Google Maps gives me 3 routes to Perth: Highway 7, 10, or 15. Which is best maintained road? -- William On Wed, May 07, 2014 at 12:11:03PM -0400, David Collier-Brown wrote: > His mother died on the second of May. > > The funeral will be Friday at O'Dacre Family Funeral Home, 15 Victoria > St., Perth, ON. Visitation will start at 10 AM, the funeral service will > start at 11 AM with a reception to follow. > > Further information is at http://www.odacrefamily.ca > Click on OBITUARIES at the top - her name was Mary McGregor. > > --dave > > -- > David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify > System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest > davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org | -- Mark Twain > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 7 19:52:26 2014 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 15:52:26 -0400 Subject: Remote rsync question In-Reply-To: References: <20140507192739.GA1450@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: I use rsync a lot, both for backing up to external drives and keeping files in sync across machines. I use BTsync between my computer and phone and tablet, and I think I prefer the more discreet rsync command overall, although I can see BTsync working for others. Git is another method I've seen in use: it's not common, but it does have some significant advantages (history, easy recovery from accidental deletes). Choice depends on personal preference. If I were starting over and felt more comfortable with git, I'd go with that - it's probably the most robust. As for the rsync command itself: I think you'll want @aa1:/home/waltdnes/ . I've never used the excludes in any form, never had much luck with them (possibly just me). I've always strongly preferred the --long-form commands to the -l short ones - particularly if you save the command in a script. The letters are much more compact ... and totally unreadable. But the command you want to make yourself familiar with is --dry-run which shows you what it would do if this were a real run ... without actually doing it. Very, very useful for testing. On 7 May 2014 15:39, Mauro Souza wrote: > I now use BT-Sync to keep my data, well, in sync... It works surprisingly > well, setup is a breeze. It have arm and x86 versions, runs on my Android, > my RasPi, my Dell notebook and on my cloud server. Haven't any issues with > it yet. > > Mauro > http://mauro.limeiratem.com - registered Linux User: 294521 > Scripture is both history, and a love letter from God. > > > 2014-05-07 16:32 GMT-03:00 Marcelo Cavalcante : > > Hello Walter, >> >> I do use rsync to make a backup of my home in the cloud (a server on the >> cloud). >> >> That?s what I?m using: >> >> #!/bin/bash >> rsync -Cravzp --progress ./ --exclude=".*/" --exclude="Videos/Filmes/" >> --exclude="Virtual*/" --exclude="isos/" >> myuser at myserver:/home/myuser/mydir/backups/ >> >> As you can see, |?m using a simple rsync, excluding only what I don?t >> want to be send. >> =================================================== >> >> Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha - Kalib >> >> >> P?s-Graduando em Governan?a de Tecnologia da Informa??o - EST?CIO/FIC >> Graduado em Sistemas de Informa??es - EST?CIO/FIC >> Usu?rio Linux #407564 | Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 >> Fortaleza - Cear? - Brazil >> Celular: +55 085 87620983 >> Certifica??es: ITIL V3 | CSM | LPI-C1 | LPI-C2 | LPI-C3 | Novell CLA >> Minha Pessoa: Blog >> Projetos: Tux-CE | Archlinux-br | Chakra | KDE Brasil | TLUG | PUG-CE >> >> =================================================== >> >> >> Proteja meu endere?o como estou protegendo o seu. >> N?o revele e-mail dos correspondentes: use Cco (Copia Carbonada Oculta). >> Retire os endere?os antes de reenviar. Dificulte assim a >> dissemina??o de v?rus e spam. >> >> >> 2014-05-07 16:27 GMT-03:00 Walter Dnes : >> > The goal is to copy most of my home directory to another machine. In >> > this case machine "aa1" (Acer Aspire One) over ssh. Is the following >> > format correct? >> > >> > #!/bin/bash >> > cd /home/waltdnes/ >> > rm /home/waltdnes/rsync_log.txt /home/waltdnes/rserrors*.txt >> > rsync --archive --links --group --itemize-changes --owner \ >> > --perms --progress --recursive --size-only --stats --verbose \ >> > --exclude-from=/home/waltdnes/.rsexclude \ >> > --log-file=/home/waltdnes/rsync_log.txt \ >> > /home/waltdnes/ aa1:/home/waltdnes/ 2>/root/rserrors1.txt >> > >> > .rsexclude would have entries like... >> > /home/waltdnes/camera >> > >> > -- >> > Walter Dnes >> > I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications >> > -- >> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 7 19:58:08 2014 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 15:58:08 -0400 Subject: Remote rsync question In-Reply-To: References: <20140507192739.GA1450@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: I'd avoid --size-only unless your machines have clock problems. And absolutely seconding --dry-run for testing; rsync's path specification can be maddening. 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This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org | -- Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From qwerty172-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 7 20:10:48 2014 From: qwerty172-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bill Thanis) Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 16:10:48 -0400 Subject: Remote rsync question In-Reply-To: References: <20140507192739.GA1450@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: I always add in --bwlimit=10240 (bandwidth limit to 10 Mbps) so that it doesn't flood my network. Bill On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Stewart Russell wrote: > I'd avoid --size-only unless your machines have clock problems. 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Dificulte assim a > dissemina??o de v?rus e spam. > > > 2014-05-07 16:27 GMT-03:00 Walter Dnes : >> The goal is to copy most of my home directory to another machine. In >> this case machine "aa1" (Acer Aspire One) over ssh. Is the following >> format correct? >> >> #!/bin/bash >> cd /home/waltdnes/ >> rm /home/waltdnes/rsync_log.txt /home/waltdnes/rserrors*.txt >> rsync --archive --links --group --itemize-changes --owner \ >> --perms --progress --recursive --size-only --stats --verbose \ >> --exclude-from=/home/waltdnes/.rsexclude \ >> --log-file=/home/waltdnes/rsync_log.txt \ >> /home/waltdnes/ aa1:/home/waltdnes/ 2>/root/rserrors1.txt >> >> .rsexclude would have entries like... >> /home/waltdnes/camera >> >> -- >> Walter Dnes >> I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed May 7 20:16:32 2014 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 16:16:32 -0400 Subject: A note to everyone who knows Colin McGregor In-Reply-To: <20140507194706.GA7950-+21/tKCbORjP0Z7Jsv878P8+0UxHXcjY@public.gmane.org> References: <536A5B17.7040504@rogers.com> <20140507194706.GA7950@node1.localdomain> Message-ID: <20140507201632.GA72358@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> On Wed, May 07, 2014 at 03:47:06PM -0400, William Park wrote: >Google Maps gives me 3 routes to Perth: Highway 7, 10, or 15. Which is >best maintained road? Go 15. I take that route twice a year, winter and summer. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 7 20:54:29 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 07 May 2014 16:54:29 -0400 Subject: A note to everyone who knows Colin McGregor In-Reply-To: <20140507194706.GA7950-+21/tKCbORjP0Z7Jsv878P8+0UxHXcjY@public.gmane.org> References: <536A5B17.7040504@rogers.com> <20140507194706.GA7950@node1.localdomain> Message-ID: <536A9D85.3090004@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > Google Maps gives me 3 routes to Perth: Highway 7, 10, or 15. Which is > best maintained road? Hwy 10? That's entirely in the wrong direction. Perth is close to Ottawa. Hwy 10 goes up to Owen Sound. I think the question is do you want to take the scenic route via 7 or 401 to Kingston & 15. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu May 8 03:57:06 2014 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 23:57:06 -0400 Subject: Remote rsync question In-Reply-To: References: <20140507192739.GA1450@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20140508035706.GA5557@waltdnes.org> On Wed, May 07, 2014 at 03:58:08PM -0400, Stewart Russell wrote > I'd avoid --size-only unless your machines have clock problems. I didn't bother mentioning it originally, but the old laptop does have "clock problems". Basically, the clock stops when the system powers down. And no, I'm not using "suspend". In /etc/local.d/000.start I've added the 2 commands... /usr/bin/openrdate -n -s ca.pool.ntp.org /sbin/hwclock --systohc This syncs it properly, assuming the network comes up at boot. It's an older laptop. > And absolutely seconding --dry-run for testing; rsync's path > specification can be maddening. I had forgotten about that. I will use it. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu May 8 04:02:19 2014 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 00:02:19 -0400 Subject: Remote rsync question In-Reply-To: References: <20140507192739.GA1450@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20140508040219.GB5557@waltdnes.org> On Wed, May 07, 2014 at 04:11:39PM -0400, Vic Gedris wrote > You may also want to use "--delete" so that your remote copy doesn't > keep copies of deleted files forever. Not using --delete has saved me a few times when I accidentally deleted stuff I didn't mean to, and realized it a few weeks later. I weed out cruft manually. And with 2 terabyte drives, I can keep old stuff around. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 8 13:29:47 2014 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 09:29:47 -0400 Subject: Remote rsync question In-Reply-To: <20140508040219.GB5557-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20140507192739.GA1450@waltdnes.org> <20140508040219.GB5557@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: > > You may also want to use "--delete" so that your remote copy doesn't > > keep copies of deleted files forever. > > Not using --delete has saved me a few times when I accidentally > deleted stuff I didn't mean to, and realized it a few weeks later. I > weed out cruft manually. And with 2 terabyte drives, I can keep old > stuff around. > Me too. I don't need delete for safety. Better clean up manually. Also its most likely the backup device is bigger than the internal drive. So when I run off space, just drop stuff on the laptop and a copy stay on your backups. That ease the decision on what to purge when you are maxed up on internal drive William > -- > Walter Dnes > I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu May 8 14:44:36 2014 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 10:44:36 -0400 Subject: Remote rsync question In-Reply-To: <20140508040219.GB5557-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20140507192739.GA1450@waltdnes.org> <20140508040219.GB5557@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20140508144436.GG17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 12:02:19AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > Not using --delete has saved me a few times when I accidentally > deleted stuff I didn't mean to, and realized it a few weeks later. I > weed out cruft manually. And with 2 terabyte drives, I can keep old > stuff around. rsnapshot is handy for backups since it keeps hardlinked trees for different runs and still does the actual transfer with rsync. That way you can keep old versions of files with only the cost in space of the changed files. Very nice tool. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vic-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org Thu May 8 14:52:19 2014 From: vic-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org (Vic Gedris) Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 10:52:19 -0400 Subject: Remote rsync question In-Reply-To: <20140508144436.GG17767-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20140507192739.GA1450@waltdnes.org> <20140508040219.GB5557@waltdnes.org> <20140508144436.GG17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 12:02:19AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: >> Not using --delete has saved me a few times when I accidentally >> deleted stuff I didn't mean to, and realized it a few weeks later. I >> weed out cruft manually. And with 2 terabyte drives, I can keep old >> stuff around. > > rsnapshot is handy for backups since it keeps hardlinked trees for > different runs and still does the actual transfer with rsync. That way > you can keep old versions of files with only the cost in space of the > changed files. Very nice tool. Yes. Highly recommended. That's what I use for my regular (hourly/daily/weekly/monthly) backups, and my offline backups on external disks. It keeps the old stuff, but without cluttering it up in one place. -Vic -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu May 8 15:12:20 2014 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 11:12:20 -0400 Subject: Remote rsync question In-Reply-To: <20140508144436.GG17767-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20140507192739.GA1450@waltdnes.org> <20140508040219.GB5557@waltdnes.org> <20140508144436.GG17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <536B9ED4.4050006@utoronto.ca> On 05/08/2014 10:44 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 12:02:19AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: >> Not using --delete has saved me a few times when I accidentally >> deleted stuff I didn't mean to, and realized it a few weeks later. I >> weed out cruft manually. And with 2 terabyte drives, I can keep old >> stuff around. > > rsnapshot is handy for backups since it keeps hardlinked trees for > different runs and still does the actual transfer with rsync. That way > you can keep old versions of files with only the cost in space of the > changed files. Very nice tool. I use rsnapshot on top of a ZFS on Linux backed storage system (used to be OpenIndiana but ZFS on Linux works well now). After a year+ of backups on this one it's at 1.83x dedup ratio with 1.5x data compression across ~1000GB worth of data. Only 543GB is allocated on the disk even though there's 1TB worth of actual files. With rsnapshot's hard links there's only a small data transfer overhead for changed files. The two together give a very granular and compact point in time recovery image of file systems without resorting to LVM snapshots and stuff. For my systems' use case it's more than good enough. Cheers, Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Tue May 13 18:23:07 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 14:23:07 -0400 Subject: Dinner before tonight's GTALUG meeting Message-ID: Before tonight's GTALUG meeting (at around 6pm) a bunch of us are going to Mehran[1] an Indian restaurant at 398 Church St. [1]: -- Myles Braithwaite | http://mylesb.ca/e -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 14 14:26:51 2014 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 10:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Ubuntu Touch Message-ID: I asked last night about mainstream distros that could work well on a tablet. I was thinking of the tablet gestures that have instantly become normal and useful since the iPad (also implemented in Android and WebOS). People suggested Ubuntu Touch. The impression was that it was just a minor variation of Ubuntu. I wish it were. It doesn't seem actually useful yet and at the app level it has nothing to do with the Desktop Environments we're used to (GNOME, KDE, ...). It doesn't run X. Eventually it is supposed to run MIR and that would probably allow X applications, but none seem to know about touch. I can already run X on a tablet. My Lenovo Yoga 2 pro is an ultrabook that folds up to be a tablet (not that great as a tablet -- too big). In Fedora's GNOME, the touchscreen can do some mouse actions, but not pinch-zoom or related cool things. I understand that X recently got support for multi-touch at a low level. I don't know if applications and toolkits have started to take advantage of this. This old article is interesting. I have Ubuntu 14.04 with a touchscreen monitor. It is using the standard Unity/GNOME desktop. Touch just seems to act like an imprecise mouse. I only tested with Firefox (my main use for this machine). Two-finger drag doesn't scroll; no pinch-zoom; I don't know how to right- or middle- click. Summary: a mainstream X-based desktop is probably not very good at touch. Although this is supposed to improve, it is taking a long time. Perhaps a lot of windows are being missed. After all, Win8.1 supports touch and encourages hardware vendors to include it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From qwerty172-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 14 16:03:48 2014 From: qwerty172-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bill Thanis) Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 12:03:48 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Touch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try looking at http://plasma-active.org/ On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:26 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I asked last night about mainstream distros that could work well on a > tablet. I was thinking of the tablet gestures that have instantly become > normal and useful since the iPad (also implemented in Android and WebOS). > > People suggested Ubuntu Touch. The impression was that it was just a > minor variation of Ubuntu. > > I wish it were. > > < > http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/hands-on-with-ubuntu-touch-14-04-coming-along-but-miles-to-go/ > > > It doesn't seem actually useful yet and at the app level it has nothing to > do with the Desktop Environments we're used to (GNOME, KDE, ...). It > doesn't run X. Eventually it is supposed to run MIR and that would > probably allow X applications, but none seem to know about touch. > > I can already run X on a tablet. My Lenovo Yoga 2 pro is an ultrabook > that folds up to be a tablet (not that great as a tablet -- too big). > In Fedora's GNOME, the touchscreen can do some mouse actions, but not > pinch-zoom or related cool things. > > I understand that X recently got support for multi-touch at a low > level. I don't know if applications and toolkits have started to take > advantage of this. > > This old article is interesting. > > > I have Ubuntu 14.04 with a touchscreen monitor. It is using the > standard Unity/GNOME desktop. Touch just seems to act like an imprecise > mouse. I only tested with Firefox (my main use for this machine). > Two-finger drag doesn't scroll; no pinch-zoom; I don't know how to > right- or middle- click. > > Summary: a mainstream X-based desktop is probably not very good at > touch. Although this is supposed to improve, it is taking a long > time. Perhaps a lot of windows are being missed. After all, Win8.1 > supports touch and encourages hardware vendors to include it. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From qwerty172-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 14 16:05:58 2014 From: qwerty172-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bill Thanis) Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 12:05:58 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Touch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also here is an article reviewing five distros. Might be worth reading. http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/install-linux-on-your-x86-tablet-five-distros-to-choose-from-1162825/1 On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Bill Thanis wrote: > Try looking at http://plasma-active.org/ > > > On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:26 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > >> I asked last night about mainstream distros that could work well on a >> tablet. I was thinking of the tablet gestures that have instantly become >> normal and useful since the iPad (also implemented in Android and WebOS). >> >> People suggested Ubuntu Touch. The impression was that it was just a >> minor variation of Ubuntu. >> >> I wish it were. >> >> < >> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/hands-on-with-ubuntu-touch-14-04-coming-along-but-miles-to-go/ >> > >> It doesn't seem actually useful yet and at the app level it has nothing to >> do with the Desktop Environments we're used to (GNOME, KDE, ...). It >> doesn't run X. Eventually it is supposed to run MIR and that would >> probably allow X applications, but none seem to know about touch. >> >> I can already run X on a tablet. My Lenovo Yoga 2 pro is an ultrabook >> that folds up to be a tablet (not that great as a tablet -- too big). >> In Fedora's GNOME, the touchscreen can do some mouse actions, but not >> pinch-zoom or related cool things. >> >> I understand that X recently got support for multi-touch at a low >> level. I don't know if applications and toolkits have started to take >> advantage of this. >> >> This old article is interesting. >> >> >> I have Ubuntu 14.04 with a touchscreen monitor. It is using the >> standard Unity/GNOME desktop. Touch just seems to act like an imprecise >> mouse. I only tested with Firefox (my main use for this machine). >> Two-finger drag doesn't scroll; no pinch-zoom; I don't know how to >> right- or middle- click. >> >> Summary: a mainstream X-based desktop is probably not very good at >> touch. Although this is supposed to improve, it is taking a long >> time. Perhaps a lot of windows are being missed. After all, Win8.1 >> supports touch and encourages hardware vendors to include it. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a year old -- I had hoped that the situation had improved. One system they tested was Kubuntu Active (with Plasma Active). The review wasn't too positive. A year and three releases later things might be better. They seemed to like Fedora. I don't sww much tablety stuff in my F20-on-a-tablet. They praised "tapping, swiping and other tablet gestures". I guess tapping is like mouse clicking (works for me). Swiping? All I can do is swipe to the top left corner to get the dock (is that the right name?). I don't know what other tablet gestures. Certainly not pinch-zoom. Certainly not two-finger dragging (but that does work on the touchpad). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org Thu May 15 13:05:06 2014 From: tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (Tim Tisdall) Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 09:05:06 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Touch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:22 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Bill Thanis > > | Try looking at http://plasma-active.org/ > > Thanks. That's interesting. > > It doesn't seem as if it is going to run traditional X applications. > But I could be wrong. I think that it depends on what's underneath > it. QT is mandatory. > > It is built on Mer which is what got created by refugees of Meego. I > think that they share stuff with Jolla and (they hope) Tizen. > > I have a device with an ancestor of this code: a Nokia n800 tablet. > It didn't run X. > I have an N800 and an N900. I'm pretty sure both run X. In the past, just for fun, I SSH'ed into my laptop with X forwarding on and ran GIMP, it loaded up on the screen with no issues (though, messy because those devices only do full screen windows and GIMP opens multiple windows). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_(software) says there's also work on an X compatibility layer, so hopefully this means all X applications will continue to work as before. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 15 13:52:59 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 09:52:59 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Touch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5374C6BB.1080000@rogers.com> On 05/15/2014 09:05 AM, Tim Tisdall wrote: > > I have a device with an ancestor of this code: a Nokia n800 tablet. > It didn't run X. > > > I have an N800 and an N900. I'm pretty sure both run X. In the past, > just for fun, I SSH'ed into my laptop with X forwarding on and ran > GIMP, it loaded up on the screen with no issues (though, messy because > those devices only do full screen windows and GIMP opens multiple > windows). > I used to ssh home from my N800 and fire up OpenOffice. I'd then show people OpenOffice "running" on the N800. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 21 16:28:05 2014 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 12:28:05 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules Message-ID: Hello All, I apologize if this is off topic. I know there are a few guys who work at major academic institutions in the GTA. I would like to get your feedback. What are your policies for internet access for students and staff? i.e * do you restrict based on services (e.g. block bittorrent etc) * do you restrict based on content? (e.g. adult content) * do you provide reports etc? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From wwitteman-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 21 16:47:27 2014 From: wwitteman-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Witteman) Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 12:47:27 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have worked at a couple of Toronto institutions (U of T, George Brown) and currently work for a hospital in Qu?bec (City). Hospitals are more restricted than Universities/Colleges. At the hospitals they tend to buy nanny-state firewalls off the shelf, which can provide reports and block file sharing, adult content and a wide range of other things (social networking, games, weapons, etc.) Universities tend to be more open and managed with other tools. I know that at U of T they routinely scan for servers, vulnerabilities, file-sharers, but allow open web access but not SSH in some buildings. On 21 May 2014 12:28, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Hello All, > I apologize if this is off topic. I know there are a few guys who work > at major academic institutions in the GTA. I would like to get your > feedback. > > What are your policies for internet access for students and staff? i.e > * do you restrict based on services (e.g. block bittorrent etc) > * do you restrict based on content? (e.g. adult content) > * do you provide reports etc? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 21 17:26:01 2014 From: davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (David Collier-Brown) Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 13:26:01 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <537CE1A9.8000702@rogers.com> York blocked very little when I worked there, as the Philosophy Department expected profs and staff to have access to everything. Student labs were not initially not connected to the outside, so in effect they had access to nothing (:-)) Student residence networks were open where they existed, and we had a bit of spam filtering tor all yorku.ca addresses. Why do you ask? --dave On 05/21/2014 12:47 PM, William Witteman wrote: > I have worked at a couple of Toronto institutions (U of T, George > Brown) and currently work for a hospital in Qu?bec (City). > > Hospitals are more restricted than Universities/Colleges. > At the hospitals they tend to buy nanny-state firewalls off the shelf, > which can provide reports and block file sharing, adult content and a > wide range of other things (social networking, games, weapons, etc.) > > Universities tend to be more open and managed with other tools. I > know that at U of T they routinely scan for servers, vulnerabilities, > file-sharers, but allow open web access but not SSH in some buildings. > > On 21 May 2014 12:28, Ansar Mohammed wrote: >> Hello All, >> I apologize if this is off topic. I know there are a few guys who work >> at major academic institutions in the GTA. I would like to get your >> feedback. >> >> What are your policies for internet access for students and staff? i.e >> * do you restrict based on services (e.g. block bittorrent etc) >> * do you restrict based on content? (e.g. adult content) >> * do you provide reports etc? >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org | -- Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed May 21 21:21:36 2014 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 17:21:36 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:47:27PM -0400, William Witteman wrote: > I have worked at a couple of Toronto institutions (U of T, George > Brown) and currently work for a hospital in Qu?bec (City). > > Hospitals are more restricted than Universities/Colleges. > At the hospitals they tend to buy nanny-state firewalls off the shelf, > which can provide reports and block file sharing, adult content and a > wide range of other things (social networking, games, weapons, etc.) > > Universities tend to be more open and managed with other tools. I > know that at U of T they routinely scan for servers, vulnerabilities, > file-sharers, but allow open web access but not SSH in some buildings. And based on my wife's info being a PhD student there, you do not want to do bittorrent (she hasn't tried, but has heard what happens to people who try). I know Waterloo doesn't allow bittorrent either (with an exception for the computer science club to share their videos from talks). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu May 22 12:03:51 2014 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 08:03:51 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: <20140521212136.GH17767-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 05:21:36PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >And based on my wife's info being a PhD student there, you do not want >to do bittorrent (she hasn't tried, but has heard what happens to people >who try). I know Waterloo doesn't allow bittorrent either (with an >exception for the computer science club to share their videos from talks). Universities used to be bastions of free thinking. Now they seem to be run by despotic lawyers and accountants -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 22 12:23:43 2014 From: davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (David Collier-Brown) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 08:23:43 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: <20140522120351.GB24907-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <537DEC4F.2000207@rogers.com> Because there's no money in the budget, the dysfunctional-company politics turns into debates on irrelevant points, like what colour of paper-clip to use and whether to filter bittorrent. Ork had all those kinds of problems, but since the Philosophy department was a big sponsor of computing and helped fund our first main (unix) machine, nexus.yorku.ca, they tended to squash the egregiously stupid. Both startups and sanity seems to be common functions of Philosophy departments: Windsor helped bootstrap both Human Kinetics and Computer Science, and was often an island of sanity in a very silly world. --dave On 05/22/2014 08:03 AM, Neil Watson wrote: > On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 05:21:36PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> And based on my wife's info being a PhD student there, you do not want >> to do bittorrent (she hasn't tried, but has heard what happens to people >> who try). I know Waterloo doesn't allow bittorrent either (with an >> exception for the computer science club to share their videos from >> talks). > > Universities used to be bastions of free thinking. Now they seem to be > run by despotic lawyers and accountants > -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org | -- Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From wwitteman-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 22 13:03:45 2014 From: wwitteman-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Witteman) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 09:03:45 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: <20140522120351.GB24907-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On 22 May 2014 08:04, "Neil Watson" wrote: > Universities used to be bastions of free thinking. Now they seem to be > run by despotic lawyers and accountants Litigation didn't used to be a business model of IP licencing companies, a student couldn't independently sabotage infrastructure half a world away or steal a million credit cards from their dorm. Lazy, busy people without a technical clue promote those who offer solutions, not ideals. "Trust but verify" makes no more sense for 18-year olds than it does for toddlers. If you have a defensible reason for an open net at university you can get it sanctioned, but you have to ask now. Sorry for brevity, typos (phone) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 22 18:29:49 2014 From: davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 14:29:49 -0400 Subject: cell phone battery for HTC One X Message-ID: My battery doesn't last long. Is it worth putting a new one in, or just buy a new phone. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 22 18:53:05 2014 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 14:53:05 -0400 Subject: Looking for advice on router software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On my DIR-632, the only real option was dd-wrt, as openwrt is way too experimental. If you have an option on your router, that's pretty cool. I'd be inclined to openwrt as it offers more extensibility. And, most likely, less potential for NSA/MSS hooks :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 22 21:03:44 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 17:03:44 -0400 Subject: cell phone battery for HTC One X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <537E6630.2010407@rogers.com> On 05/22/2014 02:29 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: > My battery doesn't last long. Is it worth putting a new one in, or > just buy a new phone. > How old is the phone? If a few years old, it's lacking many of the features of the newer ones. If you've been with your carrier for a while, you may be able to get a good deal on a new one. For example, last December, I got a Nexus 5 from Rogers for $100 without a contract. If I hadn't wanted that phone, I could have gotten another model for free. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bcopeland-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 22 21:07:26 2014 From: bcopeland-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Copeland) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 17:07:26 -0400 Subject: Looking for advice on router software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:38 PM, William Witteman wrote: > I have a D-Link DIR-825 c1 router that never worked well out of the > box. I needed a router ASAP, so I bought another router rather than > fuss with this one. I am wondering which open source software I > should put on this thing to see if it can be useful again - any > suggestions? I'm running openWRT on the DIR 825-b1 and it works flawlessly. Install of openwrt took less than half an hour. My stock firmware worked well enough too but I wanted a bit more control over the dns/dhcp/ipv6 features. -- Bob Copeland %% www.bobcopeland.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 22 21:17:33 2014 From: davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 17:17:33 -0400 Subject: cell phone battery for HTC One X In-Reply-To: <537E6630.2010407-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <537E6630.2010407@rogers.com> Message-ID: It's 2 years old now. It was released in April of 2012. Ya, I can get an HTC One M8 for $0 plus an upgrade fee as my contract isn't over. How did you get the Nexus 5 without a contract from Rogers ? Dave Cramer On 22 May 2014 17:03, James Knott wrote: > On 05/22/2014 02:29 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: > > My battery doesn't last long. Is it worth putting a new one in, or > > just buy a new phone. > > > > How old is the phone? If a few years old, it's lacking many of the > features of the newer ones. If you've been with your carrier for a > while, you may be able to get a good deal on a new one. For example, > last December, I got a Nexus 5 from Rogers for $100 without a contract. > If I hadn't wanted that phone, I could have gotten another model for free. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 22 21:30:31 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 17:30:31 -0400 Subject: cell phone battery for HTC One X In-Reply-To: References: <537E6630.2010407@rogers.com> Message-ID: <537E6C77.5090207@rogers.com> On 05/22/2014 05:17 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: > How did you get the Nexus 5 without a contract from Rogers ? > I am a long time customer. I got my first (analog) phone in 1995 and the last phone I got from Rogers was in the spring of 1995. So, I called them up and asked what they could offer me. Since there was no contract, I retained my old plan, but can't get another phone for 3 years. I also have a decent plan. I get 200 weekday minutes, unlimited evenings & weekends, unlimited texting, up to 10 Canadian numbers I can have unlimited calling to, without long distance charging or even affecting my weekday minutes, call display and 6 GB of data, all for about $57/month. My N5 supports LTE and is ready for 700 MHz when Rogers makes it available. My old phone, a Nexus 1, which I bought direct from Google was 3G and I was running out of memory for apps on it. If I hadn't got that deal from Rogers, I would have also bought the N5 direct from Google. The Nexus phones are unlocked and get the software updates as soon as they're available, instead of waiting for the manufacturer or carrier to provided them. BTW, a while ago, I came across a bill from shortly after I got my first phone. It was $25/month and there were no free minutes, let alone texting, data etc. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 22 21:52:33 2014 From: thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mauro Souza) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 18:52:33 -0300 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On my University (Brazil, back in '02-05), we had a single 1Mbps link for everybody, something close to 1.000 students. The sysadmins blocked almost everything: proxies, news channels, download repos, chat, ICQ, IRC, emule/kazaa, webmail, and almost everything non-http(s) related. Telnet, SSH, FTP, all blocked. But WinMX seemed to work. And you could print only 10 pages per month. No extensions, no exceptions. The vast majority of the computers ran a heavily locked-down Windows 2000, with a special driver that hid all .exe file on the system, except for the previoysly approved ones, and files created by the compilers on a specific folder. And the system had barely 200MB of disk available. That time, USB drives were a rarity, and 64MB was the largest ones around. No cd burners on the computers too. There were only one computer with a cd burner and 1GB of disk available, and everybody flocked to it. Downloading anything bigger than a couple MB was almost impossible. A few systems ran Windows 98, without that "hide-everything driver", but they had 16MB of RAM, and a tiny disk, so they were almost useless. But we could run anything that could fit on a 1.44MB floppy disk. They password-protected the BIOS, and the system would only boot from the hard drive, and nothing else, so putting a live-cd was impossible. Installing anything was impossible. I know that you must preserve order, keep the consumption of resources on sane levels, and restrict the amount of damage the students could do, but that was draconian. I felt discouraged to do anything, and everybody hated the sysadmins. Until one happy day. We discovered by accident that powering on the system with a notebook (a paper notebook, not that modern ones made of plastic and electronics) over the keyboard (pressing some 20 keys at the same time) would trigger some bug and boot from floppy. We could start Windows 98 on secure mode, remove the hider driver, uninstall all the locks, and install our emulator for the Orwellian control program. Our version would open a screen with exactly the same look, but execute a BlockInput API call and "lock up" the computer every time the sysadmins tried to do any admin related task on the computer. So they thought the system was defective and re-imaged it, erasing our programs and all evidences. Before graduating, I used the exploit to install a OpenBSD in one of the computers. I don't know what the admins felt when they saw a OpenBSD on the lab, and I never asked about it. But I would like to have been on the room when that happened. The network locks persisted, but we could at least manage to run some games on the system, download large files piece by piece (20MB each piece), and so. The admins never knew it, and I found my programs running on the ancient systems a couple years after graduating. Mauro http://mauro.limeiratem.com - registered Linux User: 294521 Scripture is both history, and a love letter from God. 2014-05-22 10:03 GMT-03:00 William Witteman : > On 22 May 2014 08:04, "Neil Watson" wrote: > > > Universities used to be bastions of free thinking. Now they seem to be > > run by despotic lawyers and accountants > > Litigation didn't used to be a business model of IP licencing companies, a > student couldn't independently sabotage infrastructure half a world away or > steal a million credit cards from their dorm. > > Lazy, busy people without a technical clue promote those who offer > solutions, not ideals. > > "Trust but verify" makes no more sense for 18-year olds than it does for > toddlers. If you have a defensible reason for an open net at university you > can get it sanctioned, but you have to ask now. > > Sorry for brevity, typos (phone) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 01:09:31 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 21:09:31 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <537E9FCB.9040304@rogers.com> On 05/22/2014 05:52 PM, Mauro Souza wrote: > The vast majority of the computers ran a heavily locked-down Windows > 2000, with a special driver that hid all .exe file on the system, > except for the previoysly approved ones, and files created by the > compilers on a specific folder. And the system had barely 200MB of > disk available. Back when I went to Ryerson, we only had an IBM mainframe available. We had to use whatever was provided, as we couldn't download anything to it. HTML? There were no browsers back then. The only remote connections we had were inbound. I could call in using my home computer and terminal emulator app to do my homework. We even had to carve our own computer chips from wood... ;-) There was still some punch card equipment there, but I never had to use it. I also had a SuperCalc class on a Zenith Z89 CP/M computer. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 01:23:14 2014 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 21:23:14 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: <537E9FCB.9040304-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <537E9FCB.9040304@rogers.com> Message-ID: > Back when I went to Ryerson, we only had an IBM mainframe available. We > had to use whatever was provided, as we couldn't download anything to > it. For years, faculty had been asking for an upgrade to that system. Then, the story goes, there was a tour group of high school students being taken around the place. On seeing the mainframe, one of the students said 'This stuff belongs in a museum. I'm going to go to Waterloo where they have modern equipment.' Suddenly, a new computer system was on the agenda. So a large committee was convened. I was invited to be on a subcommittee about 6 levels down from the root directory and, sensing the futility of the whole thing, declined - much to the annoyance of the person organizing this thing. The committee laboured for months and came up with A Plan. Then one day, the then president had lunch with someone from IBM and suddenly, without any consultation with the committee, we had a new computer system, which apparently was a Steal of a Deal. Ultimately, it turned out (I heard) that the computer needed additional memory and ended up costing much more, but we did get a new computer system. Too late for the student in question, however. -- Peter Hiscocks Prof Emeritus, Ryerson EE -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 02:03:13 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 22:03:13 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <537E9FCB.9040304@rogers.com> Message-ID: <537EAC61.4090301@rogers.com> On 05/22/2014 09:23 PM, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > On seeing the mainframe, one of the students said 'This > stuff belongs in a museum. I'm going to go to Waterloo where they have > modern equipment.' Back then, I was doing my FORTRAN homework on a VAX 11/780 at work. One thing I recall was the difficulty in finding an available terminal that wasn't broken. As I had a PC & modem at home, instead of trying to find a working terminal, I simply went home and did my lab work there. Also, instead of using the line editor on the mainframe, I could just use a text editor to write my files and then upload them to the IBM. I was using Procomm Plus for a terminal emulator on PC-DOS. Back then I also took BASIC and Pascal courses, in addition to FORTRAN. We also had to use SPICE for EE classes. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 02:32:00 2014 From: northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Thornton) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 22:32:00 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: <537EAC61.4090301-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <537E9FCB.9040304@rogers.com> <537EAC61.4090301@rogers.com> Message-ID: I do work for UoGuelph and they have a very strong sense of openness. They go to lengths to support that. I feel proud to support an academic institution that holds this as a value. David On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:03 PM, James Knott wrote: > On 05/22/2014 09:23 PM, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > On seeing the mainframe, one of the students said 'This > > stuff belongs in a museum. I'm going to go to Waterloo where they have > > modern equipment.' > > Back then, I was doing my FORTRAN homework on a VAX 11/780 at work. One > thing I recall was the difficulty in finding an available terminal that > wasn't broken. As I had a PC & modem at home, instead of trying to find > a working terminal, I simply went home and did my lab work there. Also, > instead of using the line editor on the mainframe, I could just use a > text editor to write my files and then upload them to the IBM. I was > using Procomm Plus for a terminal emulator on PC-DOS. Back then I also > took BASIC and Pascal courses, in addition to FORTRAN. We also had to > use SPICE for EE classes. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 06:40:40 2014 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 02:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <537E9FCB.9040304@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org | > Back when I went to Ryerson, we only had an IBM mainframe available. We | > had to use whatever was provided, as we couldn't download anything to | > it. | | For years, faculty had been asking for an upgrade to that system. I vaguely remember, about 1978, Ryerson and York shared a new DecSystem 10 or DecSystem 20. I got to play with it remotely for the short period before it went into real service. I used a clone of an IBM 2741, from the farmhouse we lived in. We played adventure at 134.5 bits/second. Perhaps something in this recollection is inaccurate. U of T didn't have as good a system. There was a a PDP-10, but it was only used as a front-end for an IBM 7094 mark II, dealing with cloud chamber experiments. (This was due to Computing Centre vs Physics Department politics.) The Dynamic Graphics Project did have a PDP-11 running UNIX, but that was only available to a very few of us. General time-sharing availability at U of T was pathetic. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 08:24:59 2014 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 04:24:59 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <537E9FCB.9040304@rogers.com> Message-ID: <537F05DB.8050405@rogers.com> On 14-05-23 02:40 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I vaguely remember, about 1978, Ryerson and York shared a new > DecSystem 10 or DecSystem 20. I got to play with it remotely for the > short period before it went into real service. I used a clone of an > IBM 2741, from the farmhouse we lived in. We played adventure at > 134.5 bits/second. > > Perhaps something in this recollection is inaccurate. > > U of T didn't have as good a system. There was a a PDP-10, but it was > only used as a front-end for an IBM 7094 mark II, dealing with cloud > chamber experiments. (This was due to Computing Centre vs Physics > Department politics.) > > The Dynamic Graphics Project did have a PDP-11 running UNIX, but that > was only available to a very few of us. > > General time-sharing availability at U of T was pathetic. > This reminds me of a 1984 book that I greatly enjoyed, called Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution by Steven Levy. It starts with the MIT Model Railroad club where it is suggested that the term Hackers originated. It runs through to the beginnings of IBM and Microsoft. I recommend it. Especially because it is a free download: http://maben.homeip.net/static/S100/books/heroes%20of%20the%20computer%20revolution.pdf -- Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 08:30:19 2014 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 04:30:19 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: <537F05DB.8050405-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <537E9FCB.9040304@rogers.com> <537F05DB.8050405@rogers.com> Message-ID: <537F071B.5010400@rogers.com> On 14-05-23 04:24 AM, Stephen wrote: > This reminds me of a 1984 book that I greatly enjoyed, called > Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution by Steven Levy. > > It starts with the MIT Model Railroad club where it is suggested that > the term Hackers originated. It runs through to the beginnings of IBM > <<<< Ooops > and Microsoft. I recommend it. Especially because it is a free download: > > http://maben.homeip.net/static/S100/books/heroes%20of%20the%20computer%20revolution.pdf > > I meant beginnings of Apple and the IBM PC. -- Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 11:40:00 2014 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 07:40:00 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: <537E9FCB.9040304-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <537E9FCB.9040304@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 22 May 2014 21:09, James Knott wrote: > Back when I went to Ryerson, we only had an IBM mainframe available. Why do so many conversations on this list degrade to "Back when I was a boy, I had to walk 3 miles to school; up hill both ways." type stuff? I must admit, I've been guilty of this in the past. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 12:12:37 2014 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 08:12:37 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <537E9FCB.9040304@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20140523121237.GA72039@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 07:40:00AM -0400, Scott Allen wrote: >On 22 May 2014 21:09, James Knott wrote: >> Back when I went to Ryerson, we only had an IBM mainframe available. > >Why do so many conversations on this list degrade to "Back when I was >a boy, I had to walk 3 miles to school; up hill both ways." type >stuff? I must admit, I've been guilty of this in the past. When I was a boy I had to cross a river valley to get to school, so it really was up hill both ways. :) -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 12:17:01 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 08:17:01 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: <20140523121237.GA72039-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <537E9FCB.9040304@rogers.com> <20140523121237.GA72039@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <537F3C3D.6030309@rogers.com> On 05/23/2014 08:12 AM, Neil Watson wrote: > When I was a boy I had to cross a river valley to get to school, so it > really was up hill both ways. :) How far did you have to swim to cross the river? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 12:31:42 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 08:31:42 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <537E9FCB.9040304@rogers.com> Message-ID: <537F3FAE.2060500@rogers.com> On 05/23/2014 02:40 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > We played adventure at > 134.5 bits/second. I got my first modem thanks to that game. One time when my wife was at my office, I showed her the Adventure game on a VAX 11/780. She asked if she could play that game on my computer (an IMSAI 8080). I said no, but if we had a modem... I was soon the proud owner of a 300 baud manual connect modem. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 15:32:45 2014 From: mwilson-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 11:32:45 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <537E9FCB.9040304@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1400859165.2592.2.camel@tecumseth3> On Thu, 2014-05-22 at 21:23 -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Then one day, the then president had lunch with someone from IBM and > suddenly, without any consultation with the committee, we had a new > computer system, which apparently was a Steal of a Deal. Ultimately, it > turned out (I heard) that the computer needed additional memory and ended > up costing much more, but we did get a new computer system. That was the IBM way. They sold straight to the people who signed the cheques. I remember a whole benchmark team being recalled from Phoenix after the news hit that IBM had already closed the deal. Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 16:25:22 2014 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 12:25:22 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: <1400859165.2592.2.camel@tecumseth3> References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <537E9FCB.9040304@rogers.com> <1400859165.2592.2.camel@tecumseth3> Message-ID: Thanks all for the candid feedback and the trip down memory lane. The combined experience/mindshare on this community is always impressing and humbling. I do appreciate the danger of stifling freedom of expression and allowing academics the freedom required to conduct research. I have two concerns with a relaxed and open internet access policy * exposure to litigation in the event of piracy * bandwidth consumption. BTW, is your internet access audited/logged? On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Mel Wilson wrote: > On Thu, 2014-05-22 at 21:23 -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> Then one day, the then president had lunch with someone from IBM and >> suddenly, without any consultation with the committee, we had a new >> computer system, which apparently was a Steal of a Deal. Ultimately, it >> turned out (I heard) that the computer needed additional memory and ended >> up costing much more, but we did get a new computer system. > > That was the IBM way. They sold straight to the people who signed the > cheques. I remember a whole benchmark team being recalled from Phoenix > after the news hit that IBM had already closed the deal. > > Mel. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 18:29:39 2014 From: davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (David Collier-Brown) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 14:29:39 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <537E9FCB.9040304@rogers.com> <1400859165.2592.2.camel@tecumseth3> Message-ID: <537F9393.9020209@rogers.com> In cases of piracy, your actual duty is the same as an ISP's or any other third party providing services without assuming responsibility for them, which is to pass on notices to the persons that the complainant identifies. You do need to ensure you describe yourself to the users of the services as a third party, and specifically say you are not selecting or publishing material that is sent over your wires, but instead are operating consciously as a transport service only. There is lots of advice to ISPs on the net, have a look. US companies have claimed secondary and vicarious liability applies, and have lost. Canadian courts have cited the U.S. decisions in their holdings. Bandwidth consumption is actually a technical problem, because many medium-priced devices do NOT implement congestion control and fair-share scheduling properly. People used to have to solve this technical problem with rules and legal agreements (;-)) You need to look for equipment that supports fq_codel (fair queuing with controlled delay, by Kathie Nichols and Van Jacobson, see http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2209336) Properly set up, networking should give everyone equal shares of the bandwidth, which you should statically limit to exactly the speed of your uplink on the device that connects the fast internal lan with the slower external link. If you have a specific problem, you can bias mass-file-transfer services like ftp and bittorrent so they give way to interactive services like ssh and REST. --dave On 05/23/2014 12:25 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Thanks all for the candid feedback and the trip down memory lane. The > combined experience/mindshare on this community is always impressing > and humbling. > > I do appreciate the danger of stifling freedom of expression and > allowing academics the freedom required to conduct research. > > I have two concerns with a relaxed and open internet access policy > * exposure to litigation in the event of piracy > * bandwidth consumption. > > BTW, is your internet access audited/logged? > > > On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Mel Wilson wrote: >> On Thu, 2014-05-22 at 21:23 -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >> >>> Then one day, the then president had lunch with someone from IBM and >>> suddenly, without any consultation with the committee, we had a new >>> computer system, which apparently was a Steal of a Deal. Ultimately, it >>> turned out (I heard) that the computer needed additional memory and ended >>> up costing much more, but we did get a new computer system. >> That was the IBM way. They sold straight to the people who signed the >> cheques. I remember a whole benchmark team being recalled from Phoenix >> after the news hit that IBM had already closed the deal. >> >> Mel. >> >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org | -- Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 18:48:20 2014 From: thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mauro Souza) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 15:48:20 -0300 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <537E9FCB.9040304@rogers.com> <1400859165.2592.2.camel@tecumseth3> Message-ID: On my University, everything was logged, and audited somehow. Never heard of any punishments. Logging everything and keeping the records for limited time (a couple months) would help against litigation in case of piracy, hacking, or mischief. Bandwidth can be controlled by user too, so you could put throttle controls in place. But locking everything down should not be done. Mauro http://mauro.limeiratem.com - registered Linux User: 294521 Scripture is both history, and a love letter from God. 2014-05-23 13:25 GMT-03:00 Ansar Mohammed : > Thanks all for the candid feedback and the trip down memory lane. The > combined experience/mindshare on this community is always impressing > and humbling. > > I do appreciate the danger of stifling freedom of expression and > allowing academics the freedom required to conduct research. > > I have two concerns with a relaxed and open internet access policy > * exposure to litigation in the event of piracy > * bandwidth consumption. > > BTW, is your internet access audited/logged? > > > On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Mel Wilson wrote: > > On Thu, 2014-05-22 at 21:23 -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > >> Then one day, the then president had lunch with someone from IBM and > >> suddenly, without any consultation with the committee, we had a new > >> computer system, which apparently was a Steal of a Deal. Ultimately, it > >> turned out (I heard) that the computer needed additional memory and > ended > >> up costing much more, but we did get a new computer system. > > > > That was the IBM way. They sold straight to the people who signed the > > cheques. I remember a whole benchmark team being recalled from Phoenix > > after the news hit that IBM had already closed the deal. > > > > Mel. > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 19:24:51 2014 From: davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (David Collier-Brown) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 15:24:51 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <537E9FCB.9040304@rogers.com> <1400859165.2592.2.camel@tecumseth3> Message-ID: <537FA083.1080709@rogers.com> I'll suggest that logging is extremely risky, and something you should avoid unless served with a "preservation order" (as far as I know, no-one has). When I was at York, the Library walked us through the process that they used to protect the privacy of borrowers, something they've fought hard for for several centuries (!). Records should only be kept while they are actively needed (DHCP until the lease times out, for example) and then converted into management counts (5X leases/month for X addresses, 250 conflicts for 134 hours total). Anyone who keeps records will find out that they're an attractive nuisance: if they're worth money for blackmail (Lady Chatterley's Lover, for example), people will steal library circulation records. Police will ask for who borrowed "Steal This Book". DHCP logs are attractive to not-entirely-legal "copyright defence" companies, and detailed HTTP logs are attractive to advertisers, who will pay you to add tracking cookies and beacons, and try to weasel them in if you don't agree. Avoid being a target: talk to the University Librarians about confidentiality. They're experts! --dave On 05/23/2014 02:48 PM, Mauro Souza wrote: > On my University, everything was logged, and audited somehow. Never > heard of any punishments. > > Logging everything and keeping the records for limited time (a couple > months) would help against litigation in case of piracy, hacking, or > mischief. Bandwidth can be controlled by user too, so you could put > throttle controls in place. > > But locking everything down should not be done. > > Mauro > http://mauro.limeiratem.com - registered Linux User: 294521 > Scripture is both history, and a love letter from God. > > > 2014-05-23 13:25 GMT-03:00 Ansar Mohammed >: > > Thanks all for the candid feedback and the trip down memory lane. The > combined experience/mindshare on this community is always impressing > and humbling. > > I do appreciate the danger of stifling freedom of expression and > allowing academics the freedom required to conduct research. > > I have two concerns with a relaxed and open internet access policy > * exposure to litigation in the event of piracy > * bandwidth consumption. > > BTW, is your internet access audited/logged? > > > On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Mel Wilson > wrote: > > On Thu, 2014-05-22 at 21:23 -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org > wrote: > > > >> Then one day, the then president had lunch with someone from > IBM and > >> suddenly, without any consultation with the committee, we had a new > >> computer system, which apparently was a Steal of a Deal. > Ultimately, it > >> turned out (I heard) that the computer needed additional memory > and ended > >> up costing much more, but we did get a new computer system. > > > > That was the IBM way. They sold straight to the people who > signed the > > cheques. I remember a whole benchmark team being recalled from > Phoenix > > after the news hit that IBM had already closed the deal. > > > > Mel. > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org | -- Mark Twain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 20:36:07 2014 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 16:36:07 -0400 Subject: Lenovo laptop sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 23, 2014 3:57:14 PM EDT, ted leslie wrote: >You will have to post the product name, as the link is a session >expired, >and I can't see the item you are >referring to via that pricing. > >-tl > > >On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:29 PM, William Muriithi < >william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> FYI >> >> An $800 laptop for $318 >> >> >> >http://shop.lenovo.com/workperksca/ca/en/landingpage/promotions/ideapad/weekly-sale?PID=749547&SID=rfdcb-d723 >> >> May be worth it >> >> William >> This is a non-sessioned link. http://shop.lenovo.com/ca/en/landingpage/promotions/ideapad/weekly-sale It's the Y410p. I was sent the same link as originally posted and able to get in and saw different pricing. Oh... side by side... employee pricing. Oh and looks like stock might be gone now. Dang... internet is fast. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 21:50:54 2014 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 17:50:54 -0400 Subject: Looking for advice on router software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140523215054.GI17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 02:38:27PM -0400, William Witteman wrote: > I have a D-Link DIR-825 c1 router that never worked well out of the > box. I needed a router ASAP, so I bought another router rather than > fuss with this one. I am wondering which open source software I > should put on this thing to see if it can be useful again - any > suggestions? > > It looks like it supports Open WRT and DD-WRT, but I don't know how to > choose between these, or if there are other choices that I might > prefer. Help? I hear openwrt is much more open than the dd-wrt community these days. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 22:02:48 2014 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 18:02:48 -0400 Subject: Semi OT: Academic Firewall Rules In-Reply-To: <537F3C3D.6030309-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20140521212136.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140522120351.GB24907@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <537E9FCB.9040304@rogers.com> <20140523121237.GA72039@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <537F3C3D.6030309@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20140523220248.GB21392@waltdnes.org> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 08:17:01AM -0400, James Knott wrote > On 05/23/2014 08:12 AM, Neil Watson wrote: > > When I was a boy I had to cross a river valley to get to school, so it > > really was up hill both ways. :) > > How far did you have to swim to cross the river? ;-) And I bet it was upstream both ways. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 22:14:45 2014 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 18:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Lenovo laptop sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: William Muriithi | An $800 laptop for $318 | | http://shop.lenovo.com/workperksca/ca/en/landingpage/promotions/ideapad/weekly-sale?PID=749547&SID=rfdcb-d723 I'm pretty sure that was a price error and almost as sure that all or most orders will be cancelled. I tried to order at 4:00 in the morning. Lenovo's site had gone non-responsive by that time. Session timeouts. The hilarous escapade played out on That thread started at 22:35 last night and currently has 2136 messages! Lenovo Canada has had a lot of price errors on their web site over the years. More than any other site that I've cared about. Example: I had an order pending and unfulfilled for several years; it was at a foolish price. I had another order accepted and then cancelled a few months ago (they allowed a large discount for removing Windows and then claimed it was impossible to ship without Windows; negotiation got me nowhere). My favourite error of theirs was that they sold me a clearance X60 tablet that they didn't have. So they substituted an X61 which was a new model. Perhaps half list price (I don't remember exactly). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 22:54:00 2014 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 18:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Looking for advice on router software In-Reply-To: <20140523215054.GI17767-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20140523215054.GI17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | I hear openwrt is much more open than the dd-wrt community these days. From DD-WRT is using closed-source wl driver (they have access to the source, so can compile it against any kernel). I understand that because BrainSlayer has signed NDAs, he can support Broadcom chipsets better than OpenWRT. OpenWRT's (human) organization is much more to my liking so I try to avoid Broadcom chips. It strikes me that seems santized. is worth a look. It includes the phrase "GPL terrorism". See also -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri May 23 23:52:08 2014 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 19:52:08 -0400 Subject: Looking for advice on router software In-Reply-To: References: <20140523215054.GI17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: > It strikes me that seems > santized. is worth a look. > It includes the phrase "GPL terrorism". Had noticed this early last year when I was flashing my router too. Since I hate blob with passion, I passed and ended up using tomato. William > > See also > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Lennart Sorensen > > | I hear openwrt is much more open than the dd-wrt community these days. > > From > > > DD-WRT is using closed-source wl driver (they have access to > the source, so can compile it against any kernel). > > I understand that because BrainSlayer has signed NDAs, he can > support Broadcom chipsets better than OpenWRT. > > OpenWRT's (human) organization is much more to my liking so I try to > avoid Broadcom chips. > > It strikes me that seems > santized. is worth a look. > It includes the phrase "GPL terrorism". > > See also > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org | -- Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat May 24 04:53:09 2014 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 00:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Looking for advice on router software In-Reply-To: <537FE0DF.1060600-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20140523215054.GI17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <537FE0DF.1060600@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: David Collier-Brown | The bufferbloat troops (and Van Jacobsen) are mostly playing on the | openwrt side. Yes. CeroWRT is their distro. It is downstream from OpenWRT. They are pushing at least some of their more important stuff all the way back to Linus' tree. I don't know that Van Jacobsen is actually involved. But lots of famous folk are "members". See Progress seems quite slow. Dave T?ht seems to do most of the work but doesn't have an income stream to devote much time to it. It only runs on long-in-the-tooth Netgear routers. I bought one several years ago but the descriptions of the releases have let me put off deploying it up to now. This may be the best source (I don't guarantee anything -- check the fineprint yourself): See the Status section "The current CeroWrt release is code-named ?Toronto"," I guess it is time to try it From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat May 24 05:37:58 2014 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 01:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Lenovo laptop sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: D. Hugh Redelmeier | The hilarous escapade played out on | My favourite post (no, I haven't read them all): Finally, the intended deal appears. It actually looks decent. But not so good that I have to buy it: -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun May 25 14:03:43 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 10:03:43 -0400 Subject: gogoCLIENT RPM Message-ID: <5381F83F.5060506@rogers.com> I have been running IPv6 on my home network via a 6in4 tunnel provided by gogoNET. To run the client on Linux, I had to compile from source code. However, I recently found that a list of openSUSE and Fedora RPMs is now available here: gogoNET: -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sun May 25 14:26:49 2014 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 10:26:49 -0400 Subject: gogoCLIENT RPM In-Reply-To: <5381F83F.5060506-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <5381F83F.5060506@rogers.com> Message-ID: <5381FDA9.8020802@ss.org> On 05/25/2014 10:03 AM, James Knott wrote: > I have been running IPv6 on my home network via a 6in4 tunnel provided > by gogoNET. To run the client on Linux, I had to compile from source > code. However, I recently found that a list of openSUSE and Fedora RPMs > is now available here: > > > gogoNET: Yup, looks like it's been part of the Fedora Repo's for as far back as Fedora 15. It's also consequently in the EPEL repo for RHEL/CentOS 6. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=13747 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/gogoc/ If you need to huntdown fedora packages, the Fedora packageDB is a great place to look. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/ It recently had an interface overhaul released. http://fedoramagazine.org/new-packagedb-now-available-for-fedora-packagers/ -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sun May 25 14:28:10 2014 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 10:28:10 -0400 Subject: Lenovo laptop sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5381FDFA.6020505@ss.org> On 05/24/2014 01:37 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: D. Hugh Redelmeier > > | The hilarous escapade played out on > | > > My favourite post (no, I haven't read them all): > > > Finally, the intended deal appears. It actually looks decent. But > not so good that I have to buy it: > Yeah, had my order cancelled.... I did expect as much. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sun May 25 14:58:12 2014 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 10:58:12 -0400 Subject: Looking for advice on router software In-Reply-To: References: <20140523215054.GI17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <53820504.6090401@ss.org> On 05/23/2014 07:52 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > > > It strikes me that seems > > santized. is worth a look. > > It includes the phrase "GPL terrorism". > > Had noticed this early last year when I was flashing my router too. > Since I hate blob with passion, I passed and ended up using tomato. > > William Good to hear you found something that works for you. I've also been using the DIR-825 with OpenWRT for a few years now. I've also been using OpenWRT across a slew of TP-link hardware. http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-mr3020 http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-mr11u The OpenWRT community certainly supports a much broader set of hardware. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun May 25 23:30:57 2014 From: davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 19:30:57 -0400 Subject: looking for an inspiron 8500 or some other Dell of similar vintage Message-ID: I use this for an auto diagnostic program. Needs a 9 pin serial port. My current computer internal P/S died. Preferably just remove the hard disk and put it in new one. Dave Cramer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Sun May 25 23:58:48 2014 From: lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 19:58:48 -0400 Subject: looking for an inspiron 8500 or some other Dell of similar vintage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <538283B8.5010509@alteeve.ca> On 25/05/14 07:30 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: > I use this for an auto diagnostic program. Needs a 9 pin serial port. My > current computer internal P/S died. Preferably just remove the hard disk > and put it in new one. > Dave Cramer If you just need reliable serial, I've gotten a couple of Antaira USB to serial adapters and they work in Linux flawlessly. This one: http://www.antaira.com/products/industrial-usb/usb-to-serial/1-port/uts-1110a?pid=4509 Has Tx/Rx LEDs, which is surprisingly useful, too. I highly recommend them. -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon May 26 00:03:00 2014 From: davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 20:03:00 -0400 Subject: looking for an inspiron 8500 or some other Dell of similar vintage In-Reply-To: <538283B8.5010509-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <538283B8.5010509@alteeve.ca> Message-ID: This program is an OEM diagnostic tool. Runs in Windoze... I guess I should try it with a dongle before I go to all these lengths Dave Cramer On 25 May 2014 19:58, Digimer wrote: > On 25/05/14 07:30 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: > >> I use this for an auto diagnostic program. Needs a 9 pin serial port. My >> current computer internal P/S died. Preferably just remove the hard disk >> and put it in new one. >> Dave Cramer >> > > If you just need reliable serial, I've gotten a couple of Antaira USB to > serial adapters and they work in Linux flawlessly. This one: > > http://www.antaira.com/products/industrial-usb/usb- > to-serial/1-port/uts-1110a?pid=4509 > > Has Tx/Rx LEDs, which is surprisingly useful, too. I highly recommend them. > > -- > Digimer > Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ > What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without > access to education? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon May 26 00:06:53 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 20:06:53 -0400 Subject: looking for an inspiron 8500 or some other Dell of similar vintage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5382859D.8070107@rogers.com> On 05/25/2014 07:30 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: > I use this for an auto diagnostic program. Needs a 9 pin serial port. > My current computer internal P/S died. Preferably just remove the hard > disk and put it in new one. Many motherboards still have com ports on them, but you need the connector to go on the back panel. Failing that, perhaps a USB serial port may work. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon May 26 11:39:38 2014 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 07:39:38 -0400 Subject: looking for an inspiron 8500 or some other Dell of similar vintage In-Reply-To: <538283B8.5010509-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <538283B8.5010509@alteeve.ca> Message-ID: <538327FA.1040403@gmail.com> On 14-05-25 07:58 PM, Digimer wrote: > > If you just need reliable serial, I've gotten a couple of Antaira USB to > serial adapters and they work in Linux flawlessly. This one: > > http://www.antaira.com/products/industrial-usb/usb-to-serial/1-port/uts-1110a?pid=4509 Yep, it has an FTDI chipset, so will likely work with any operating system. The cheaper and ubiquitous (and heavily pirated) PL2303 designs are dodgy or non-functional under OS X or Windows 8. Creatron (newly moved west along College to just past Augusta) has Sabrent FTDI adapters, too. Minor FTDI-and-me fun fact: Thirty years ago, back in Glasgow, I was part of a bunch of assorted oiks who used to play Dungeons and Dragons. We weren't very good, or very dedicated. One of this group of half-hearted gamers is now very very senior at FTDI. So yeah, D&D can be beneficial for life skills ? cheers, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon May 26 16:35:49 2014 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 12:35:49 -0400 Subject: looking for an inspiron 8500 or some other Dell of similar vintage In-Reply-To: <538283B8.5010509-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <538283B8.5010509@alteeve.ca> Message-ID: <20140526163549.GJ17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 07:58:48PM -0400, Digimer wrote: > If you just need reliable serial, I've gotten a couple of Antaira > USB to serial adapters and they work in Linux flawlessly. This one: > > http://www.antaira.com/products/industrial-usb/usb-to-serial/1-port/uts-1110a?pid=4509 > > Has Tx/Rx LEDs, which is surprisingly useful, too. I highly recommend them. Which chipset does it use? Anything with a pl2303 is to be avoided. ftdi is generally the best. There are a few other options too. Oh the datasheet says ftdi. OK, then it is clearly a good one. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon May 26 16:52:18 2014 From: davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 12:52:18 -0400 Subject: looking for an inspiron 8500 or some other Dell of similar vintage In-Reply-To: <538283B8.5010509-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <538283B8.5010509@alteeve.ca> Message-ID: Where did you buy it from ? These don't look readily available in Canada Dave Cramer On 25 May 2014 19:58, Digimer wrote: > On 25/05/14 07:30 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: > >> I use this for an auto diagnostic program. Needs a 9 pin serial port. My >> current computer internal P/S died. Preferably just remove the hard disk >> and put it in new one. >> Dave Cramer >> > > If you just need reliable serial, I've gotten a couple of Antaira USB to > serial adapters and they work in Linux flawlessly. This one: > > http://www.antaira.com/products/industrial-usb/usb- > to-serial/1-port/uts-1110a?pid=4509 > > Has Tx/Rx LEDs, which is surprisingly useful, too. I highly recommend them. > > -- > Digimer > Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ > What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without > access to education? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon May 26 17:29:21 2014 From: lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 13:29:21 -0400 Subject: looking for an inspiron 8500 or some other Dell of similar vintage In-Reply-To: References: <538283B8.5010509@alteeve.ca> Message-ID: <538379F1.2030500@alteeve.ca> I bought it from them directly (also got the 4-port with locking USB and power. The power turned out to be unnecessary). On 26/05/14 12:52 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: > Where did you buy it from ? These don't look readily available in Canada > > Dave Cramer > > > On 25 May 2014 19:58, Digimer > wrote: > > On 25/05/14 07:30 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: > > I use this for an auto diagnostic program. Needs a 9 pin serial > port. My > current computer internal P/S died. Preferably just remove the > hard disk > and put it in new one. > Dave Cramer > > > If you just need reliable serial, I've gotten a couple of Antaira > USB to serial adapters and they work in Linux flawlessly. This one: > > http://www.antaira.com/__products/industrial-usb/usb-__to-serial/1-port/uts-1110a?__pid=4509 > > > Has Tx/Rx LEDs, which is surprisingly useful, too. I highly > recommend them. > > -- > Digimer > Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ > What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person > without access to education? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/__Mailing_lists > > > -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue May 27 15:48:54 2014 From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz) Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 11:48:54 -0400 Subject: ssh and screen Message-ID: <5384B3E6.1040309@gmail.com> Here's a question for all the sys admins out there. I'm playing around with ssh and screen. I'm invoking ssh with ssh -t server screen -S stable -rd || screen -S stable That works wonderfully. But if I ssh from server to another with the same command, any Ca-d command terminates the first screen instance. Is there a way to send commands to the second server's screen instance? Thanks! Randy -- Do not ask who I am and do not ask me to remain the same: leave it to our bureaucrats and our police to see that our papers are in order. At least spare us their morality when we write. --Michel Foucault -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vic-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org Tue May 27 16:00:47 2014 From: vic-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org (Vic Gedris) Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 12:00:47 -0400 Subject: ssh and screen In-Reply-To: <5384B3E6.1040309-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <5384B3E6.1040309@gmail.com> Message-ID: Try Ca-a-d. Your first screen session will see the "Ca", then pass the "a" as a "Ca" to the second screen session. -Vic Vic Gedris - http://vic.gedris.org Toronto, Ontario, Canada - http://www.junctiontriangle.ca On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Randy Jonasz wrote: > Here's a question for all the sys admins out there. I'm playing around with > ssh and screen. I'm invoking ssh with > > ssh -t server screen -S stable -rd || screen -S stable > > That works wonderfully. But if I ssh from server to another with the same > command, any Ca-d command terminates the first screen instance. Is there a > way to send commands to the second server's screen instance? > > Thanks! > > Randy > > -- > Do not ask who I am and do not ask me to remain the same: > leave it to our bureaucrats and our police to see that our > papers are in order. At least spare us their morality when > we write. > --Michel Foucault > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue May 27 16:03:32 2014 From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz) Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 12:03:32 -0400 Subject: ssh and screen In-Reply-To: References: <5384B3E6.1040309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5384B754.1020101@gmail.com> On 14-05-27 12:00 PM, Vic Gedris wrote: > Try Ca-a-d. Your first screen session will see the "Ca", then pass > the "a" as a "Ca" to the second screen session. Yay it works! Thanks! Randy > > -Vic > > Vic Gedris - http://vic.gedris.org > Toronto, Ontario, Canada - http://www.junctiontriangle.ca > > > On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Randy Jonasz wrote: >> Here's a question for all the sys admins out there. I'm playing around with >> ssh and screen. I'm invoking ssh with >> >> ssh -t server screen -S stable -rd || screen -S stable >> >> That works wonderfully. But if I ssh from server to another with the same >> command, any Ca-d command terminates the first screen instance. Is there a >> way to send commands to the second server's screen instance? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Randy >> >> -- >> Do not ask who I am and do not ask me to remain the same: >> leave it to our bureaucrats and our police to see that our >> papers are in order. At least spare us their morality when >> we write. >> --Michel Foucault >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Thu May 29 13:36:28 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 09:36:28 -0400 Subject: TrueCrypt Alternatives Message-ID: With TrueCrypt not going to be developed anymore[1], does anyone know of any good alternatives for sharing a container of files. TrueCrypt does list builtin alternatives for Windows and Mac OS X, but they don't seem to be taking Linux very seriously: "Use any integrated support for encryption. Search available installation packages for words encryption and crypt, install any of the packages found and follow its documentation." [1]: http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/ -- Myles Braithwaite | http://mylesb.ca/e -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu May 29 13:45:08 2014 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 09:45:08 -0400 Subject: TrueCrypt Alternatives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140529134508.GA31841@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> I think it's too early to count TrueCrypt out. The sudden announcement is suspicious. I would wait some days to see what happens. Linux has built in disk encryption. There is no need to look for third party tools. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 29 14:06:23 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 10:06:23 -0400 Subject: TrueCrypt Alternatives In-Reply-To: <20140529134508.GA31841-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <20140529134508.GA31841@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <53873EDF.3030908@rogers.com> On 05/29/2014 09:45 AM, Neil Watson wrote: > There is no need to look for third party > tools. There is if you want to use portable drives with other operating system. For example, many people are supposed to be using encrypted portable drives, when carrying personal data. How often have we heard about someone carrying health care or other personal info on a USB drive that's been lost? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu May 29 14:16:19 2014 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 10:16:19 -0400 Subject: TrueCrypt Alternatives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140529141619.GK17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 09:36:28AM -0400, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > With TrueCrypt not going to be developed anymore[1], does anyone know > of any good alternatives for sharing a container of files. TrueCrypt > does list builtin alternatives for Windows and Mac OS X, but they > don't seem to be taking Linux very seriously: > > "Use any integrated support for encryption. Search available > installation packages for words encryption and crypt, install any of > the packages found and follow its documentation." > > [1]: http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/ That's bizarre. After all Only Windows Enterprise and Ultimate (and Pro in the case of Windows 8), have bitlocker, so most home users have nothing. And of course you can't share the bitlocker VHD's with other OSs either. And I thought the big audit was just about done on it too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 29 14:32:47 2014 From: davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (David Collier-Brown) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 10:32:47 -0400 Subject: TrueCrypt Alternatives In-Reply-To: <20140529141619.GK17767-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20140529141619.GK17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <5387450F.4030008@rogers.com> On 05/29/2014 10:16 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 09:36:28AM -0400, Myles Braithwaite wrote: >> With TrueCrypt not going to be developed anymore[1], does anyone know >> of any good alternatives for sharing a container of files. TrueCrypt >> does list builtin alternatives for Windows and Mac OS X, but they >> don't seem to be taking Linux very seriously: >> >> "Use any integrated support for encryption. Search available >> installation packages for words encryption and crypt, install any of >> the packages found and follow its documentation." >> >> [1]: http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/ > That's bizarre. After all Only Windows Enterprise and Ultimate (and Pro in > the case of Windows 8), have bitlocker, so most home users have nothing. > > And of course you can't share the bitlocker VHD's with other OSs either. > > And I thought the big audit was just about done on it too. > Something smells: usually when a company closes down just before an auditor reports, it's because they're badly broken... --dave -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org | -- Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 29 16:50:08 2014 From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 12:50:08 -0400 Subject: TrueCrypt Alternatives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53876540.9020502@sobac.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I ran across tcplay https://github.com/bwalex/tc-play (via http://grugq.tumblr.com/post/60464139008/alternative-truecrypt-implementations ) I haven't tried it yet; I suspect the TrueCrypt software can't read LUKS encrypted storage directly, and I don't know if tcplay can read/write TrueCrypt's Full Disk Encryption or the hidden FDE. - --Bob. On 14-05-29 09:36 AM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > With TrueCrypt not going to be developed anymore[1], does anyone > know of any good alternatives for sharing a container of files. > TrueCrypt does list builtin alternatives for Windows and Mac OS X, > but they don't seem to be taking Linux very seriously: > > "Use any integrated support for encryption. Search available > installation packages for words encryption and crypt, install any > of the packages found and follow its documentation." > > [1]: http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Ensure confidentiality, authenticity, non-repudiability iEYEARECAAYFAlOHZT4ACgkQuRKJsNLM5epDagCgyoTogEjlEVIJilg7J7ozxwad INIAoOiRH+DDPFLCQZaYU0yutTJR3TO/ =Catf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 30 00:14:43 2014 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 20:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: TrueCrypt Alternatives In-Reply-To: <5387450F.4030008-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20140529141619.GK17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <5387450F.4030008@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: David Collier-Brown | On 05/29/2014 10:16 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: | > And I thought the big audit was just about done on it too. | Something smells: usually when a company closes down just before an | auditor reports, it's because they're badly broken... The "Phase I Audit Report" has been available for a while ago. In honour of the withdrawal, I read the report. Interesting but not damning. Dated 2014 February 14. Why TrueCrypt has been withdrawn isn't clear to me. Since it is open source, the project will surely be forked. And improved. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 30 00:30:15 2014 From: davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (David Collier-Brown) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 20:30:15 -0400 Subject: TrueCrypt Alternatives In-Reply-To: References: <20140529141619.GK17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <5387450F.4030008@rogers.com> Message-ID: <5387D117.8040605@rogers.com> On 05/29/2014 08:14 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: David Collier-Brown > > | On 05/29/2014 10:16 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > | > And I thought the big audit was just about done on it too. > > | Something smells: usually when a company closes down just before an > | auditor reports, it's because they're badly broken... > > The "Phase I Audit Report" has been available for a while ago. In honour of > the withdrawal, I read the report. Interesting but not damning. > > Dated 2014 February 14. > > Why TrueCrypt has been withdrawn isn't clear to me. Since it is open > source, the project will surely be forked. And improved. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > There was also a lot of "national security letter" speculation about the withdrawal, but the only evidence was the extreme oddness of the process. I suspect the full audit report will tell us more about what could and could not be the case. Looking purely at the legal aspects of this, it argues for Evan's "risk map", but for the geographic risks of software development as opposed to the geographic risks in domain use or purchase. Evan, you may have raised just the tip of the iceberg... --dave -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org | -- Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri May 30 22:42:43 2014 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 18:42:43 -0400 Subject: Best DSL Modem? Message-ID: <5f369a91b76bc49d2476560dae0b15ca.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Something recently changed with our Teksavvy DSL connection (they 'optimized it, apparently) and now the modem (Sagecom 2864) works close to the demarkation point in the basement and at phone outlets on the first and second floor, but not on the third floor, which is a little bit further. I suspect the signal has gone down a bit in strength and it's not enough for the modem. Unplugging phones has no effect. This is highly inconvenient since everything is cabled back to that modem. Changing over to wireless or some other solution is a major disruption. The phone still works fine at the third floor outlet, so the connection is basically OK. Anyone have any thoughts about a good DSL modem to try in this situation? Any advice appreciated. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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