From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 1 16:23:20 2014 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 11:23:20 -0500 Subject: Trying to create wireless network between mac and Ubuntu box Message-ID: <1393691000.10950.6.camel@jimslaptop> I'm trying to set up a wireless network between a Mac and a Ubuntu laptop. I am using Ubuntu 13.1 .When I use "create network" in either the Mac or Ubuntu menus everything looks good at first. I can log into a network whether created on the Mac or Ubuntu. I manually set consecutive IP addresses and make sure subnet mask is the same on both machines. However if I try to ping either direction it doesn't work. Not sure what I am doing wrong. Does anyone know if there is a gotcha for setting up a network in this configuration. Thanks, Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 1 16:42:28 2014 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 17:42:28 +0100 Subject: ssh works but scp does not Message-ID: <53120DF4.7030707@gmail.com> The remote server is configured to accept connection from my home computer by accepting rsa keys exchange. I have no problem to connect there by SSH in that way. However, scp does not work. I am asked for user password. I of course googled this problem, but nothing reasonable comes. The remote server is a commercial server I have an account bought, I have no full access there. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 1 16:51:26 2014 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 11:51:26 -0500 Subject: ssh works but scp does not In-Reply-To: <53120DF4.7030707-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <53120DF4.7030707@gmail.com> Message-ID: It is possible since its a server you don't control , that they put some restriction on SCP vs SSH. In a not similar issue, but with a firewall issue, you can of course reverse the file transfer. In my case I had to park the files on a mutually accessible host. Go to the system i could ssh to but not scp, then scp IN from there. You could ask the entity that admin/setup the server about the issue, maybe they screwed up when putting some restriction on ssh use on the server, maybe to do with PSK vs RSA. You could also set up your own sshd on that box on a custom port above the restricted 1024. -tl On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > The remote server is configured to accept connection from my home computer > by accepting rsa keys exchange. > > I have no problem to connect there by SSH in that way. > > However, scp does not work. I am asked for user password. > > I of course googled this problem, but nothing reasonable comes. > > The remote server is a commercial server I have an account bought, I have > no full access there. > > zb. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 2 16:07:26 2014 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 11:07:26 -0500 Subject: GTALUG Key Signing Party at the February 2014 Meeting. In-Reply-To: <52F8EC89.9040503-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <52F8EC89.9040503@mylesbraithwaite.com> Message-ID: <5313573E.1060104@gmail.com> On 14-02-10 10:13 AM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > > ... next month I thinking we could do a "Formal Key-signing" where > you would get someone else to vouch for your identity (this is > better for people who don't go by their real name). Anyone up for doing this? I couldn't make last month's meeting. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 2 20:59:15 2014 From: thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mauro Souza) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 17:59:15 -0300 Subject: ssh works but scp does not In-Reply-To: References: <53120DF4.7030707@gmail.com> Message-ID: You can try scp -v to enable verbose mode. It will print progress messages and help you figure out what is wrong, so you could ask your provider to solve the problem. Mauro http://mauro.limeiratem.com - registered Linux User: 294521 Scripture is both history, and a love letter from God. 2014-03-01 13:51 GMT-03:00 ted leslie : > It is possible since its a server you don't control , that they put some > restriction on SCP vs SSH. > In a not similar issue, but with a firewall issue, you can of course > reverse the file transfer. > In my case I had to park the files on a mutually accessible host. Go to > the system i could ssh to but not > scp, then scp IN from there. > You could ask the entity that admin/setup the server about the issue, > maybe they screwed up when putting some > restriction on ssh use on the server, maybe to do with PSK vs RSA. You > could also set up your own > sshd on that box on a custom port above the restricted 1024. > -tl > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > >> The remote server is configured to accept connection from my home >> computer by accepting rsa keys exchange. >> >> I have no problem to connect there by SSH in that way. >> >> However, scp does not work. I am asked for user password. >> >> I of course googled this problem, but nothing reasonable comes. >> >> The remote server is a commercial server I have an account bought, I have >> no full access there. >> >> zb. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can log into a > network whether created on the Mac or Ubuntu. I manually set consecutive > IP addresses and make sure subnet mask is the same on both machines. > However if I try to ping either direction it doesn't work. Not sure what > I am doing wrong. Does anyone know if there is a gotcha for setting up a > network in this configuration. > Thanks, > Jim > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 12:43:26 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 07:43:26 -0500 Subject: GTALUG Key Signing Party at the February 2014 Meeting. In-Reply-To: <5313573E.1060104-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <52F8EC89.9040503@mylesbraithwaite.com> <5313573E.1060104@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Anyone up for doing this? I couldn't make last month's meeting. > > Stewart Sounds good. This month I am going to remove the need to upload your Public Key to a third party (pgp.mit.edu). I will send out instructions later this week. -- Myles Braithwaite | http://mylesb.ca/e -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 3 20:44:57 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 15:44:57 -0500 Subject: GPG Key-Signing at the next GTALUG Meeting Message-ID: <5314E9C9.3070309@mylesbraithwaite.com> I am going to be running another GPG Key-Signing at the next GTALUG meeting (11th March, 2014 at 7:30pm). This time we are going to be removing the need for a third party key server and will be using Bob Jonkman's guide to running a Formal Key-Signing: . To participate you will need to send me your GPG Public Key to . -- Myles Braithwaite | http://mylesb.ca/e -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlugys.ats-w1QkCcy0X+BxKfgMtfWJuA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 01:41:52 2014 From: tlugys.ats-w1QkCcy0X+BxKfgMtfWJuA at public.gmane.org (Antonio Sun) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 20:41:52 -0500 Subject: GTALUG and Meetup Message-ID: Hi everyone, Our next meeting conflicts with the Toronto Mobile UX Group's next meet up, http://www.meetup.com/Techinmotiontoronto/events/164502102/ I wish I could attend both but now I have to make a pick. So, I'm wondering how many of you are on meet up already, and would favor that we at least post our meeting in meet up as well, because if we are not "out there", people would not know if there is a conflict when planning meet ups. And I do see people trying to avoid conflicts before. Comments? PS. using meet up make it super easy to add events to my google calendar, which is the part I really appreciate and wish everyone is also making efforts to make adding events to calendars easy. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 02:01:29 2014 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 21:01:29 -0500 Subject: GTALUG and Meetup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <531533F9.8060102@gmail.com> On 14-03-03 08:41 PM, Antonio Sun wrote: > > So, I'm wondering how many of you are on meet up already, and would > favor that we at least post our meeting in meet up as well To run a meetup account for our size of group would be at least $12/month. Yes, meetup has handy calendar invitations, but it's the cost that would be a problem. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 02:42:55 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 21:42:55 -0500 Subject: GTALUG and Meetup In-Reply-To: <531533F9.8060102-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <531533F9.8060102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53153DAF.40006@rogers.com> Stewart C. Russell wrote: >> So, I'm wondering how many of you are on meet up already, and would >> > favor that we at least post our meeting in meet up as well > To run a meetup account for our size of group would be at least > $12/month. Yes, meetup has handy calendar invitations, but it's the cost > that would be a problem. > Have you considered Google Calendar? It works well for a couple of groups I'm in, as well as my own personal calendar. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 13:39:16 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 08:39:16 -0500 Subject: GTALUG and Meetup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Antonio Sun wrote: > PS. using meet up make it super easy to add events to my google calendar, > which is the part I really appreciate and wish everyone is also making > efforts to make adding events to calendars easy. GTALUG has an ICS feed for upcoming meetings: . It has been tested with Google Calendar as while as other popular calendar applications. -- Myles Braithwaite | http://mylesb.ca/e -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 14:22:33 2014 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 09:22:33 -0500 Subject: Eucalyptus key issue Message-ID: Does anyone here have experience with Eucalyptus? I have a private cloud, and, from my understanding, every time you create an instance, it's generated with its own keypair (that you have previously created) so the instance is secure. My issue is not having a master key or some user who has access to all instances as root or something, as, according to my setup, I'd need to constantly run database updates from the CC to the instances. The instances are independent, but I'd like to have the ability to have root on them, too. Any suggestions on how to solve this? Thanks. Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 15:13:26 2014 From: northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Thornton) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 10:13:26 -0500 Subject: Eucalyptus key issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: quick google, Looks like you use "security groups" to manage a bunch of machines with the same key pair. https://www.eucalyptus.com/book/export/html/2746 David On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Renata Rocha wrote: > Does anyone here have experience with Eucalyptus? > > I have a private cloud, and, from my understanding, every time you > create an instance, it's generated with its own keypair (that you have > previously created) so the instance is secure. > > My issue is not having a master key or some user who has access to all > instances as root or something, as, according to my setup, I'd need to > constantly run database updates from the CC to the instances. The > instances are independent, but I'd like to have the ability to have > root on them, too. > > Any suggestions on how to solve this? > > Thanks. > > Renata Rocha > http://renata.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 15:30:30 2014 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 10:30:30 -0500 Subject: Eucalyptus key issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm working with security groups already. It seems to give me to options: 1. I either have security group demo, key demo, and have all instances based on it and share this key with the group 2. I create a bunch of demo1-demoN keys and create instances created accordingly, give a demo key to each instance owner, and keep them on my records to access them. I'm not very satisfied by these solutions. Renata Rocha http://renata.org On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:13 AM, David Thornton wrote: > quick google, > > Looks like you use "security groups" to manage a bunch of machines with the > same key pair. > > https://www.eucalyptus.com/book/export/html/2746 > > David > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Renata Rocha wrote: >> >> Does anyone here have experience with Eucalyptus? >> >> I have a private cloud, and, from my understanding, every time you >> create an instance, it's generated with its own keypair (that you have >> previously created) so the instance is secure. >> >> My issue is not having a master key or some user who has access to all >> instances as root or something, as, according to my setup, I'd need to >> constantly run database updates from the CC to the instances. The >> instances are independent, but I'd like to have the ability to have >> root on them, too. >> >> Any suggestions on how to solve this? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Renata Rocha >> http://renata.org >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 4 19:24:28 2014 From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2014 14:24:28 -0500 Subject: GTALUG and Meetup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5316286C.80302@sobac.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm subscibed to that with Thunderbird and Lightning. Works great! - --Bob. On 14-03-04 08:39 AM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Antonio Sun > wrote: >> PS. using meet up make it super easy to add events to my google >> calendar, which is the part I really appreciate and wish everyone >> is also making efforts to make adding events to calendars easy. > > GTALUG has an ICS feed for upcoming meetings: > . It has been tested with Google > Calendar as while as other popular calendar applications. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Ensure confidentiality, authenticity, non-repudiability iEYEARECAAYFAlMWKGoACgkQuRKJsNLM5eoP/wCg+MF4b3cnyNLK2gluFfM3p+MK 3vsAoLEoZZ6s3XTMY6ZAMTGwGYi5VSle =gPlH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 02:52:30 2014 From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2014 21:52:30 -0500 Subject: GTALUG and Meetup In-Reply-To: <5316286C.80302-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <5316286C.80302@sobac.com> Message-ID: <5316916E.1030906@sobac.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I was mistaken. I'm actually subscribed to a Google calendar in iCal format called GTALUG: http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/1e7buohjlj4e6hfpa4ragrqo6k-4bHDNLGkYkFWVKst7DdmghPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8 at public.gmane.org/private-aa6d691c8fc68037e726a07cc4460df2/basic (so who manages this Google calendar?) However, I just subscribed to http://gtalug.org/gtalug.ics with Thunderbird and Lightning, and it works great too. - --Bob. On 14-03-04 02:24 PM, Bob Jonkman wrote: > I'm subscibed to that with Thunderbird and Lightning. Works great! > > --Bob. > > > > On 14-03-04 08:39 AM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Antonio Sun >> wrote: >>> PS. using meet up make it super easy to add events to my >>> google calendar, which is the part I really appreciate and wish >>> everyone is also making efforts to make adding events to >>> calendars easy. > >> GTALUG has an ICS feed for upcoming meetings: >> . It has been tested with Google >> Calendar as while as other popular calendar applications. > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Ensure confidentiality, authenticity, non-repudiability iEYEARECAAYFAlMWkWsACgkQuRKJsNLM5eooYQCgm/uhqZ8hbSRyLyXyxlU15/YJ KmYAniecZWPnN2zkmB5sHcYca6hLv/Qi =lqTU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlugys.ats-w1QkCcy0X+BxKfgMtfWJuA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 04:40:32 2014 From: tlugys.ats-w1QkCcy0X+BxKfgMtfWJuA at public.gmane.org (Antonio Sun) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 23:40:32 -0500 Subject: GTALUG and Meetup In-Reply-To: <5316916E.1030906-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <5316286C.80302@sobac.com> <5316916E.1030906@sobac.com> Message-ID: > > To run a meetup account for our size of group would be at least > $12/month. Ouch! Didn't know about that. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Bob Jonkman - bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > I'm actually subscribed to a Google calendar in iCal > format called GTALUG: > > > http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/1e7buohjlj4e6hfpa4ragrqo6k-4bHDNLGkYkFWVKst7DdmghPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8 at public.gmane.org/private-aa6d691c8fc68037e726a07cc4460df2/basic > > (so who manages this Google calendar?) > /Me want to know that as well. Also, how can I use that? I clicked on it in hoping my Google calendar will be populated but found I just downloaded a file called basic. I'm composing from my Google account within chromium-browser under Ubuntu 13.10 saucy. However, I just subscribed to http://gtalug.org/gtalug.ics with > Thunderbird and Lightning > Can my Google calendar under my Google account somehow uses it as well? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 08:24:00 2014 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2014 03:24:00 -0500 Subject: Eucalyptus key issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5316DF20.4000206@gmail.com> Can you create a common user account with sudo admin to root access on all your instances ? Then you will not have to worry about keypairs. Then enable or disable a user account or its passwd. As you know once you send out a PEM or keypair, it is hassle to invalidate the correct one. On 3/4/2014 10:30 AM, Renata Rocha wrote: > I'm working with security groups already. It seems to give me to options: > > 1. I either have security group demo, key demo, and have all instances > based on it and share this key with the group > > 2. I create a bunch of demo1-demoN keys and create instances created > accordingly, give a demo key to each instance owner, and keep them on > my records to access them. > > I'm not very satisfied by these solutions. > Renata Rocha > http://renata.org > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:13 AM, David Thornton wrote: >> quick google, >> >> Looks like you use "security groups" to manage a bunch of machines with the >> same key pair. >> >> https://www.eucalyptus.com/book/export/html/2746 >> >> David >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Renata Rocha wrote: >>> Does anyone here have experience with Eucalyptus? >>> >>> I have a private cloud, and, from my understanding, every time you >>> create an instance, it's generated with its own keypair (that you have >>> previously created) so the instance is secure. >>> >>> My issue is not having a master key or some user who has access to all >>> instances as root or something, as, according to my setup, I'd need to >>> constantly run database updates from the CC to the instances. The >>> instances are independent, but I'd like to have the ability to have >>> root on them, too. >>> >>> Any suggestions on how to solve this? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Renata Rocha >>> http://renata.org >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 13:21:35 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 08:21:35 -0500 Subject: GTALUG and Meetup In-Reply-To: <5316916E.1030906-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <5316286C.80302@sobac.com> <5316916E.1030906@sobac.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Bob Jonkman wrote: > I was mistaken. I'm actually subscribed to a Google calendar in iCal > format called GTALUG: > > http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/1e7buohjlj4e6hfpa4ragrqo6k-4bHDNLGkYkFWVKst7DdmghPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8 at public.gmane.org/private-aa6d691c8fc68037e726a07cc4460df2/basic > > (so who manages this Google calendar?) I believe Chris Brown manages that Calendar. -- Myles Braithwaite | http://mylesb.ca/e -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 13:20:13 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 08:20:13 -0500 Subject: GTALUG and Meetup In-Reply-To: References: <5316286C.80302@sobac.com> <5316916E.1030906@sobac.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Antonio Sun wrote: >> To run a meetup account for our size of group would be at least >> $12/month. > > > Ouch! Didn't know about that. > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Bob Jonkman - bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> I'm actually subscribed to a Google calendar in iCal >> format called GTALUG: >> >> >> http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/1e7buohjlj4e6hfpa4ragrqo6k-4bHDNLGkYkFWVKst7DdmghPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8 at public.gmane.org/private-aa6d691c8fc68037e726a07cc4460df2/basic >> >> (so who manages this Google calendar?) > > > /Me want to know that as well. Also, how can I use that? I clicked on it in > hoping my Google calendar will be populated but found I just downloaded a > file called basic. I'm composing from my Google account within > chromium-browser under Ubuntu 13.10 saucy. > >> However, I just subscribed to http://gtalug.org/gtalug.ics with >> Thunderbird and Lightning > > > Can my Google calendar under my Google account somehow uses it as well? > > Here is the Google Support Page on how to add a remote calendar to Google Calendar. -- Myles Braithwaite | http://mylesb.ca/e -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 15:29:12 2014 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 10:29:12 -0500 Subject: GTALUG and Meetup In-Reply-To: References: <5316286C.80302@sobac.com> <5316916E.1030906@sobac.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Bob Jonkman wrote: > > I was mistaken. I'm actually subscribed to a Google calendar in iCal > > format called GTALUG: > > > > > http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/1e7buohjlj4e6hfpa4ragrqo6k-4bHDNLGkYkFWVKst7DdmghPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8 at public.gmane.org/private-aa6d691c8fc68037e726a07cc4460df2/basic > > > > (so who manages this Google calendar?) > > I believe Chris Brown manages that Calendar. > Indeed, that would be me. I just updated the entries on the calendar to indicate that I'm the contact; if people see that, hey, that's pretty cool! :-) -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 5 17:42:59 2014 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:42:59 -0500 Subject: MinGW mount Message-ID: This is mildly OT and a long shot, but I'm hoping someone has dealt with MinGW's or Git Bash's mount/msysmnt commands on Windows. I'm using Git Bash (essentially MinGW from what I read, with GIT added) at work. Due to some Windows 7 Group Policy pushed down by our IT department, we can't run Cygwin binaries in Git Bash unless they're part of the Git Bash directory structure. We can run stuff (including these binaries) as Administrator, but another policy enforces authentication, and we're expecting to use this enough that authentication every time would be a pain. We can't run cmd.exe or the Cygwin console without Administrator privileges, but for some reason Git Bash will run ... with strange limitations. Git Bash starts with C:\Program Files (x86)\Git\bin\ "mounted" as /bin/ and the entire C: drive as /c/ - but bizarrely, if you do an "ls /" the /c/ doesn't show and isn't available for tab completion. I have the Cygwin binaries in /c/cygwin/ , their default location. If I try to run them as a regular user in Git Bash, I get: sh.exe": /c/cygwin/bin/ls: Bad file number That applies to pretty much any Cygwin binary: I haven't tried all of them, but every one I've tried has responded that way. (Googling "Bad file number" was unproductive, at least for me.) However, if the Cygwin binary is moved to /bin/ in the Git Bash environment, it runs fine. Unfortunately, there's quite a structure of files we need to run Vagrant ... So what I'm hoping is that we can graft the required tree structure onto the pseudo-file-system Git Bash has constructed for itself. There's a mount command that's actually a bash script, that ultimately calls msysmnt.exe . "--help" gets some information out of the latter binary, but I can find no documentation and the help isn't enough to actually make it work. What little I can get from it suggests that the correct command form is this: $ mount "C:\HashiCorp\Vagrant\embedded" /embedded This finishes silently, after which you have a /embedded/ folder, but nothing under it. Errors I've seen at other times suggest that another parameter is needed. Is anyone familiar with this? $ msysmnt.exe --help Usage: msysmnt.exe [OPTION] [ ] -b, --binary text files are equivalent to binary files (newline = \n) -c, --change-cygdrive-prefix change the cygdrive path prefix to -f, --force force mount, don't warn about missing mount point directories -i, --import-old-mounts copy old registry mount table mounts into the current mount areas -p, --show-cygdrive-prefix show user and/or system cygdrive path prefix -s, --system add mount point to system-wide registry location -t, --text (default) text files get \r\n line endings -u, --user (default) add mount point to user registry location -x, --executable treat all files under mount point as executables -X, --cygwin-executable treat all files under mount point as cygwin executables -m, --mount-commands write mount commands to replace user and system mount points and cygdrive prefixes -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At first I used palimpsest, but I found that I preferred the logging provided by good old fsck. The good results made me feel safer to try the first boot. Oh yeah, I also figured out which disk was the boot disk and rearraged the SATA cables so it would be the first found by the BIOS (not necessary). This card just worked. The BIOS was able to boot from a drive on the controller. Ubuntu 12.04 LTS recognized the Marvell controller chip. My system is now up and running. I hope that it stays that way. This solution was cheaper and easier than replacing the motherboard. So far. Odd factoid: this motherboard has never been able to boot a USB flash memory with Ubuntu on it. I've always had to use a CD or DVD; they work even from an external drive connected by USB. Being able to boot a live CD is very useful when trying to diagnose machine problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 7 03:15:53 2014 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2014 22:15:53 -0500 Subject: MIDI on Linux; it shouldn't be this hard, should it? Message-ID: <531939E9.1040408@gmail.com> Is using a MIDI keyboard with Linux a world of pain, or am I doing something wrong? About the best I can do right now to get any sound from my Akai LPK25 (= cheapo USB midi keyboard) is: 1) Start qjackctl 2) Open the Connections tab 3) Drag the LPK25 output over the Timidity++ input 4) Proceed to get a single generic piano sound via the keyboard in an approximation of realtime. Anything more adventurous fails to work. It can't be a processing power issue. 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And I do see people trying to avoid conflicts before. > > Comments? > > PS. using meet up make it super easy to add events to my google calendar, > which is the part I really appreciate and wish everyone is also making > efforts to make adding events to calendars easy. This is the first I ever hear of meet up. I suppose that's not a good sign for it. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 11 15:55:44 2014 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 11:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: GTALUG and Meetup In-Reply-To: <20140311133012.GK17767-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20140311133012.GK17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | This is the first I ever hear of meet up. I suppose that's not a good | sign for it. :) Or maybe you are out of it. Welcome to middle age :-) Note the parenthetical comment in the title of this particular meetup: {Presented by Microsoft}. I have gone to a few meetup.com-mediated things. And I'm interested in Richard's Mappy Hour (yesterday!) but haven't made it: I've "joined" a few others that don't seem to have actually met recently. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 11 17:00:38 2014 From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:00:38 -0400 Subject: GTALUG and Meetup In-Reply-To: References: <20140311133012.GK17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <531F4136.6050308@sobac.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 One single point of information for tech-related events in Toronto looks to be the Startup North blog, which maintains a calendar at http://startupnorth.ca/calendar/ Probably worth getting GTA LUG on there as a recurring event. Their calendar is available as an iCalendar feed at http://startupnorth.ca/?plugin=all-in-one-event-calendar&controller=ai1ec_exporter_controller&action=export_events&cb=110180556 (which is merely the WebCal address replaced with http:// ) - --Bob. On 14-03-11 11:55 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Lennart Sorensen > > | This is the first I ever hear of meet up. I suppose that's not a > good | sign for it. :) > > Or maybe you are out of it. Welcome to middle age :-) > > Note the parenthetical comment in the title of this particular > meetup: {Presented by Microsoft}. > > I have gone to a few meetup.com-mediated things. > > > > > And I'm interested in Richard's Mappy Hour (yesterday!) but haven't > made it: > > I've "joined" a few others that don't seem to have actually met > recently. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Ensure confidentiality, authenticity, non-repudiability iEYEARECAAYFAlMfQTQACgkQuRKJsNLM5erY7gCeKGNfvxWOMWekC4UzSZgmoPjJ ZOEAoJfps+4A0sM/CMX/fA7+fXaizqtt =J3cF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 11 19:36:37 2014 From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:36:37 -0400 Subject: Mappy Hour and Meetup (was: GTALUG and Meetup Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 11:55 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Lennart Sorensen > > | This is the first I ever hear of meet up. I suppose that's not a good > | sign for it. :) [ ... ] > And I'm interested in Richard's Mappy Hour (yesterday!) but haven't made > it: > The calendar and group email from meetup is nice, but can be fully replaced by actual open tools. Using meetup really just makes me feel like I need to bleach my Open Loving self. :( Anybody who wishes to attend Mappy Hour may do so without joining meetup and without leaving footprints there. Do please send me an email rsvp so that we know how many seats we'll need though. So why is Mappy Hour in meetup? For the thing that can not be replaced immediately by an open tool. Meetup attracts an audience of people who are prepared to go out to an in-person event. And that is it. Mappy Hour is an in-person event, meetup has that audience, and will reach out to those in the area and tell them about Mappy Hour. And that saves the organizers of Mappy Hour from having to do that. We get new registrations "all the time"* because of the outreach that meetup does. Look forward to seeing you there some time. * /me waves hands; makes up a fake rate for "all the time". -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 11 20:38:08 2014 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 16:38:08 -0400 Subject: Mappy Hour and Meetup (was: GTALUG and Meetup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A fair approximation of Richard's "all the time" is the 3-4 new members we get a month around the time of a meeting. We effectively do nothing (well, except fork over $12/month) and Meetup finds the members for us. Usually at least one of the new members attends. - an admin of the Toronto OSM group. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 12 14:11:11 2014 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 10:11:11 -0400 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: GTALUG Meeting - Tuesday at 7:30pm - Cortex-M, For Type-A Developers with Trevor Woerner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140312141111.GL17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 09:06:13AM -0400, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > # *Cortex-M, For Type-A Developers* with _Trevor Woerner_ > > Coding, compiling, programming, and debugging Cortex-M devices in an > all-Linux development environment. Great presentation. Some of us were discussing what the Cortex-R chips could be comapred to the Cortex-M and Cortex-R. So I went and looked. Apparently they have low latency interrupt handling to help real time, they have faster local memory, they are available with lock step redundant cores (so even if a core fails they can continue as if nothing happened), and they have ECC (error correction) on the busses and caches, and various other features to make them super reliable. Essentially they are for safety critical real time applications. So control systems and such. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 12 16:01:58 2014 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 12:01:58 -0400 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: GTALUG Meeting - Tuesday at 7:30pm - Cortex-M, For Type-A Developers with Trevor Woerner In-Reply-To: <20140312141111.GL17767-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20140312141111.GL17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 09:06:13AM -0400, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > > # *Cortex-M, For Type-A Developers* with _Trevor Woerner_ > > > > Coding, compiling, programming, and debugging Cortex-M devices in an > > all-Linux development environment. > > Great presentation. > > Some of us were discussing what the Cortex-R chips could be comapred to > the Cortex-M and Cortex-R. So I went and looked. > > Apparently they have low latency interrupt handling to help real time, > they have faster local memory, they are available with lock step redundant > cores (so even if a core fails they can continue as if nothing happened), > and they have ECC (error correction) on the busses and caches, and > various other features to make them super reliable. > > Essentially they are for safety critical real time applications. > So control systems and such. > I'd expect the R series to get used on disk controllers, and there's a page at arm.com that supports this... A lot of SSDs use an Indilinx controller < http://techreport.com/review/23937/ocz-vector-ssd-reviewed> which likely includes a Cortex-R. Betcha a lot of hard drives have Cortex-R chips hiding on them somewhere... That leads to an invisibly small number of vendors deploying nearly unimaginably large numbers of them. 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So it's a bit like insects; you > usually don't notice them, but they make up more of the mass of > the biosphere than everything else put together. No wonder they shipped 10 billion arm chips in 2013. They are everywhere. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 00:21:36 2014 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 20:21:36 -0400 Subject: GPG Key-Signing at the next GTALUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <5314E9C9.3070309-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <5314E9C9.3070309@mylesbraithwaite.com> Message-ID: <5320FA10.5050201@gmail.com> Someone mentioned last night that there was an easier way of doing the whole signing/vouching rigmarole. Has anyone got a link to that improved technique, please? thanks, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 04:37:52 2014 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 00:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: GPG Key-Signing at the next GTALUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <5320FA10.5050201-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <5314E9C9.3070309@mylesbraithwaite.com> <5320FA10.5050201@gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Stewart C. Russell | Someone mentioned last night that there was an easier way of doing the | whole signing/vouching rigmarole. Has anyone got a link to that improved | technique, please? I said that John Gilmore had a program to help with this. See the second message in this thread: John demoed his prototype while I was in the room (his kitchen) but I wasn't paying attention. I guess he hasn't released it yet. Sorry for misleading everyone. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 11:52:27 2014 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 07:52:27 -0400 Subject: GPG Key-Signing at the next GTALUG Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <5314E9C9.3070309@mylesbraithwaite.com> <5320FA10.5050201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53219BFB.1090104@gmail.com> On 14-03-13 12:37 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > See the second message in this thread: > > > John demoed his prototype while I was in the room (his kitchen) but I > wasn't paying attention. No worries. I think you may have just won the "Most Low-key Brag This List Will Ever See" award, though :-) So it's a way of sharing keys using mobile devices on the same network. Hmm, I wonder if we could take the Pirate Box idea of small portable wireless routers and use that to complete a local keysigning more quickly and with less reciting of the hex ?? But encryption is hard, so that's probably an unsmart idea. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 19:12:51 2014 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 15:12:51 -0400 Subject: Need a basement for some Litecoin and Bitcoin mining Message-ID: <53220333.2040301@gmail.com> Hi TLUG, I dont have enough power at my place and I need to keep some bitcoin and litecoin miners running. I would prefer to work with a TLUG member, but I also posted a CL ad. Teddy Litecoin or Bitcoin Miners Wanted for Hosting - $40 (toronto downtown) I have 1 Bitcoin+2 Litecoin mining rigs that I would like to colocate at the home of another Litecoin miner. I cannot power up this hardware as my apartment does not have enough for this and my other hardware. They will require internet access and one standard power outlet. 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Isaac On 13/03/14 03:12 PM, teddy wrote: > Hi TLUG, > > I dont have enough power at my place and I need to keep some bitcoin > and litecoin miners running. > I would prefer to work with a TLUG member, but I also posted a CL ad. > > Teddy > > > Litecoin or Bitcoin Miners Wanted for Hosting - $40 (toronto > downtown) > > > I have 1 Bitcoin+2 Litecoin mining rigs that I would like to colocate > at the home > of another Litecoin miner. > > I cannot power up this hardware as my apartment does not have enough > for this > and my other hardware. > > They will require internet access and one standard power outlet. > A secured garage or basement would be best. > > I can pay you $40 per month > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 19:25:07 2014 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 15:25:07 -0400 Subject: Need a basement for some Litecoin and Bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: <53220333.2040301-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <53220333.2040301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53220613.7060109@gmail.com> 1 standard 15amp power outlet should be fine, 2 would be better. On 3/13/2014 3:12 PM, teddy wrote: > Hi TLUG, > > I dont have enough power at my place and I need to keep some bitcoin > and litecoin miners running. > I would prefer to work with a TLUG member, but I also posted a CL ad. > > Teddy > > > Litecoin or Bitcoin Miners Wanted for Hosting - $40 (toronto > downtown) > > > I have 1 Bitcoin+2 Litecoin mining rigs that I would like to colocate > at the home > of another Litecoin miner. > > I cannot power up this hardware as my apartment does not have enough > for this > and my other hardware. > > They will require internet access and one standard power outlet. > A secured garage or basement would be best. > > I can pay you $40 per month > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 19:27:53 2014 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 15:27:53 -0400 Subject: Need a basement for some Litecoin and Bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: <5322046B.3000306-8+tXeFxsjZXBNxJ6UmF5jlaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <53220333.2040301@gmail.com> <5322046B.3000306@connortechnology.com> Message-ID: 15amp, 24x7 ?? is that like 120$ a month? if 0.09c KW/h You will only be losing 80$/month! woohooo! (assuming full 15amp draw) I think Teddy is looking for someone with a electricy include in rent for a quick 2-3 month grab before the landlord freaks out? Can you still mine bitcoin for profit? What is it now 600$? with some places doing a grab and run, what is long term 1-2 year value of BC? some people think 0$ maybe its 10$ ? Is litecoin a easier hash time now? I was just interested, as I have heard on podcasts you can't really make money on mining BC any more do to the current and always escalating complexity. (and cost of ATI cards, or similar). -tl On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Isaac Connor wrote: > > I can do it. (I think.... I can only assume that I have enough power... > any idea how many amps it draws? I assume no more than 15) > > I am away and won't be back until the 16th. > > Isaac > > > > On 13/03/14 03:12 PM, teddy wrote: > > Hi TLUG, > > I dont have enough power at my place and I need to keep some bitcoin and > litecoin miners running. > I would prefer to work with a TLUG member, but I also posted a CL ad. > > Teddy > > Litecoin or Bitcoin Miners Wanted for Hosting - $40 (toronto downtown) > > I have 1 Bitcoin+2 Litecoin mining rigs that I would like to colocate at > the home > of another Litecoin miner. > > I cannot power up this hardware as my apartment does not have enough for > this > and my other hardware. > > They will require internet access and one standard power outlet. > A secured garage or basement would be best. > > I can pay you $40 per month > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 13 19:44:39 2014 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 15:44:39 -0400 Subject: Need a basement for some Litecoin and Bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: References: <53220333.2040301@gmail.com> <5322046B.3000306@connortechnology.com> Message-ID: <53220AA7.5070309@gmail.com> You have too many questions here. Someone who has electricity included of course. On 3/13/2014 3:27 PM, ted leslie wrote: > 15amp, 24x7 ?? is that like 120$ a month? if 0.09c KW/h You will only > be losing 80$/month! woohooo! (assuming full 15amp draw) > I think Teddy is looking for someone with a electricy include in rent > for a quick 2-3 month grab before the > landlord freaks out? Can you still mine bitcoin for profit? What is it > now 600$? with some places doing a grab > and run, what is long term 1-2 year value of BC? some people think 0$ > maybe its 10$ ? Is litecoin a easier hash time now? I was just > interested, as I have heard on podcasts you can't really make money on > mining BC any more do to the current and always escalating complexity. > (and cost of ATI cards, or similar). > > -tl > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Isaac Connor > > > wrote: > > > I can do it. (I think.... I can only assume that I have enough > power... any idea how many amps it draws? I assume no more than 15) > > I am away and won't be back until the 16th. > > Isaac > > > > On 13/03/14 03:12 PM, teddy wrote: >> Hi TLUG, >> >> I dont have enough power at my place and I need to keep some >> bitcoin and litecoin miners running. >> I would prefer to work with a TLUG member, but I also posted a CL ad. >> >> Teddy >> >> >> Litecoin or Bitcoin Miners Wanted for Hosting - $40 (toronto >> downtown) >> >> >> I have 1 Bitcoin+2 Litecoin mining rigs that I would like to >> colocate at the home >> of another Litecoin miner. >> >> I cannot power up this hardware as my apartment does not have >> enough for this >> and my other hardware. >> >> They will require internet access and one standard power outlet. >> A secured garage or basement would be best. >> >> I can pay you $40 per month >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And the fishing season now lasts about 15 minutes, because that's how long it takes to scrape all the relevant fish out of the water. Small guy with a fishing rod need not apply... By the time he gets his rod in the water, fishing season's over...) Litecoin hasn't had the same "arms race", and apparently there isn't the same merit to building custom ASIC/FPGA for it. FYI, I have a bitcoin wallet with about $30 CDN worth of Bitcoin, that was originally mined, over the last month or so, as DogeCoin, and currency-exchanged over to BitCoin. It seems plausible that if rates don't soften *too* much, and difficulty factors don't multiply TOO much, that I should pay for the hardware through the course of the rest of 2014. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can you still mine bitcoin for profit? What is it now > 600$? with some places doing a grab > and run, what is long term 1-2 year value of BC? some people think 0$ maybe > its 10$ ? Is litecoin a easier hash time now? I was just interested, as I > have heard on podcasts you can't really make money on mining BC any more do > to the current and always escalating complexity. (and cost of ATI cards, or > similar). > > -tl > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Isaac Connor > wrote: >> >> >> I can do it. (I think.... I can only assume that I have enough power... >> any idea how many amps it draws? I assume no more than 15) >> >> I am away and won't be back until the 16th. >> >> Isaac >> >> >> >> On 13/03/14 03:12 PM, teddy wrote: >> >> Hi TLUG, >> >> I dont have enough power at my place and I need to keep some bitcoin and >> litecoin miners running. >> I would prefer to work with a TLUG member, but I also posted a CL ad. >> >> Teddy >> >> Litecoin or Bitcoin Miners Wanted for Hosting - $40 (toronto downtown) >> >> >> I have 1 Bitcoin+2 Litecoin mining rigs that I would like to colocate at >> the home >> of another Litecoin miner. >> >> I cannot power up this hardware as my apartment does not have enough for >> this >> and my other hardware. >> >> They will require internet access and one standard power outlet. >> A secured garage or basement would be best. >> >> I can pay you $40 per month >> >> >> > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 12:08:54 2014 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 08:08:54 -0400 Subject: Rewrite corner case issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Morning I am trying to force all connections to a web server to use ssl. I do have an old system that can't handle ssl properly and have to exempt it from ssl requirements. The https exception work. When I type "http://example.org/soup/servlet", it remains http and loads fine. However, anything else that arrive as http just time out. For example "http://example.org/index.html " time out but "https://example.org/index.html " works. That make me suspect the RewriteRule is wrong, but haven't figured what I may be missing despite tinkering with it for 2 hours night. Hoping someone could easily notice my mistake, would highly appreciate any pointer. RewriteEngine On ProxyPass http://127.0.0.1:8080/soap/servlet/ProxyPassReverse http://127.0.0.1:8080/soap/servlet/ RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/soap/servlet [NC] RewriteCond %{HTTPS} off RewriteRule ^(.*)$ https://%{SERVER_NAME}%{REQUEST_URI} [R,L] Or better, would there be a better way of achieving the same goal? Regards, William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 12:30:16 2014 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 08:30:16 -0400 Subject: Rewrite corner case issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry. Formatting issues, tying again. > For example "http://example.org/index.html" time out but " https://example.org/index.html" works. That make me suspect the RewriteRule is wrong, but haven't figured what I may be missing despite tinkering with it for 2 hours night. Hoping someone could easily notice my mistake, would highly appreciate any pointer. > RewriteEngine On ProxyPass http://127.0.0.1:8080/soap/servlet/ProxyPassReverse http://127.0.0.1:8080/soap/servlet/ RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/soap/servlet [NC] RewriteCond %{HTTPS} off. RewriteRule ^(.*)$ https://%{SERVER_NAME}%{ REQUEST_URI} [R,L] > Or better, would there be a better way of achieving the same goal? > > Regards, > > William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 14 16:22:08 2014 From: northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Thornton) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:22:08 -0400 Subject: Rewrite corner case issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I highly recommend telneting to the port and issuing the commands directly. telnet www.webserver.com 80 GET / HTTP/1.1 Host: www.webserver.com .. data comes out hopefully. This will let you know exactly what the server is responding with ... are you getting a time-out before or after the redirect. If you do the above and get back , right away, something like this: HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Server: fred Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 16:16:22 GMT Content-Type: text/html Location: myotherserver:443/sooper.html Then you know that the redirect is working , but the resulting url is broke. I also like to try HTTP/1.0 to see how the server (mis)behaves. like this: telnet server 80 GET / HTTP/1.0 ... data comes out You can then also use the same "telnet" trick to test the secure location give by the "Location:" Header, but you can't use telnet. You can use the openssl command line to get the same sort of thing but encrypted, like this: openssl s_client -connect www.mywebserver.com:443 GET / HTTP/1.1 Host: www.mywebserver.com David Thornton On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 8:37 AM, William Muriithi < william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Gosh > > Was sending from a phone, not a good idea as you can see now. Redoing > it from a desktop > > > > For example "http://example.org/index.html" time out but " > https://example.org/index.html" works. That make me suspect the > RewriteRule is wrong, but haven't figured what I may be missing despite > tinkering with it for 2 hours night. Hoping someone could easily notice my > mistake, would highly appreciate any pointer. > > > > > > RewriteEngine On > > > > > > ProxyPass http://127.0.0.1:8080/soap/servlet/ > > ProxyPassReverse http://127.0.0.1:8080/soap/servlet/ > > > > > > > > RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/soap/servlet [NC] > > RewriteCond %{HTTPS} off > > RewriteRule ^(.*)$ > https://%{SERVER_NAME}%{REQUEST_URI} [R,L] > > > > > > > > Sorry again for the earlier mess. > > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The protocol for mail submission is the same, but using port 587, and SMTP connections secured by SSL, known as SMTPS , default to port 465. -tl On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Marc Lijour wrote: > Hello, > > I moved to a new ISP that is clearly filtering traffic going out to port > 25. > > Is there a way around this? Do I have to change ISP or is there hope? > > I bet many of you have their own mail servers out there. > > Marc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marclijour-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 16 04:01:24 2014 From: marclijour-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 00:01:24 -0400 Subject: ISP filtering port 25 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Authenticated + TLS 2014-03-15 22:53 GMT-04:00 ted leslie : > WHat are you trying to do. Secure mail wouldn't be on 25 anyways? > from wikipedia: > SMTP by default uses TCP > port 25. The > protocol for mail submission is the same, but using port 587, and SMTP > connections secured by SSL, > known as SMTPS , default to port 465. > > -tl > > > On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Marc Lijour wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I moved to a new ISP that is clearly filtering traffic going out to port >> 25. >> >> Is there a way around this? Do I have to change ISP or is there hope? >> >> I bet many of you have their own mail servers out there. >> >> Marc >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 16 04:59:52 2014 From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 00:59:52 -0400 Subject: ISP filtering port 25 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53252FC8.9010806@sobac.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I left Rogers for two reasons: Filtering port 25, and changing my IP erratically even though I was supposed to have a static IP (they still had those in 2001). I switched to Teksavvy in 2005 (maybe earlier). Teksavvy understands that static IPs are the ones that don't change, and they don't filter any ports. Static IP is an extra service for which I pay an additional $4/month, which also gets me newsgroup access and an MLPPP connection. Even with an extra $4/month I'm still paying half of what I did with Rogers. Admittedly, Rogers speeds exceed anything Teksavvy is able to offer in my area, but I'm comfortable blaming that on Bell. - --Bob. On 14-03-16 12:01 AM, Marc Lijour wrote: > Authenticated + TLS > > > 2014-03-15 22:53 GMT-04:00 ted leslie : > >> WHat are you trying to do. Secure mail wouldn't be on 25 >> anyways? from wikipedia: SMTP by default uses >> TCP >> port 25. >> The protocol for mail submission is the same, but using port 587, >> and SMTP connections secured by >> SSL, known as >> SMTPS , default to port 465. >> >> -tl >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Marc Lijour >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I moved to a new ISP that is clearly filtering traffic going >>> out to port 25. >>> >>> Is there a way around this? Do I have to change ISP or is there >>> hope? >>> >>> I bet many of you have their own mail servers out there. >>> >>> Marc >>> >> >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Ensure confidentiality, authenticity, non-repudiability iEYEARECAAYFAlMlL8YACgkQuRKJsNLM5eqILwCfZzNJGlIB98O8v4gFz26HPQCg 644An0eRSOcCnRae4q8+HxBbBgvOpC7U =tXFM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 16 06:42:43 2014 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 02:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ISP filtering port 25 In-Reply-To: <53252FC8.9010806-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <53252FC8.9010806@sobac.com> Message-ID: | From: Bob Jonkman You might be able to get cable internet service from Teksavvy in your area. I don't know if that has any advantages over Rogers - can you get a static IP - can you avoid UBB & traffic shaping? - can you avoid filtering? - can you save money compared with Rogers? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bdwalton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 16 08:03:41 2014 From: bdwalton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ben Walton) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 08:03:41 +0000 Subject: ISP filtering port 25 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This implies that you're trying to send mail either directly from your machine to the world or are using a non-ISP provided mail service. If it's the former stop it. :) You really don't want to do direct to port 25 unless you're a proper mail server. If you're doing this on your home internet connection, you don't count. If it's the latter, I recommend doing this for many reasons. Any mail service provider worth using will listen on TCP/587 and require TLS+auth for outbound relay through this port. (I used to feel quite indignant about this myself. A few years of dealing with the type of crap that originates from ISP networks running a mail service that people cared about changed this view.) Thanks -Ben On Mar 16, 2014 2:49 AM, "Marc Lijour" wrote: > Hello, > > I moved to a new ISP that is clearly filtering traffic going out to port > 25. > > Is there a way around this? Do I have to change ISP or is there hope? > > I bet many of you have their own mail servers out there. > > Marc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 16 12:29:05 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 08:29:05 -0400 Subject: ISP filtering port 25 In-Reply-To: <53252FC8.9010806-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <53252FC8.9010806@sobac.com> Message-ID: <53259911.7010406@rogers.com> Bob Jonkman wrote: > I left Rogers for two reasons: Filtering port 25, and changing my IP > erratically even though I was supposed to have a static IP (they still > had those in 2001). > > I switched to Teksavvy in 2005 (maybe earlier). Teksavvy understands > that static IPs are the ones that don't change, and they don't filter > any ports. Static IP is an extra service for which I pay an > additional $4/month, which also gets me newsgroup access and an MLPPP > connection. Even with an extra $4/month I'm still paying half of what > I did with Rogers. Admittedly, Rogers speeds exceed anything Teksavvy > is able to offer in my area, but I'm comfortable blaming that on Bell. I'm also on Rogers. My IP address rarely changes, usually when I change hardware. However, the host name never changes, unless you change the cable modem or firewall NIC. So, I use an alias on the DNS server I use that allows me to use my own domain name to reach the Rogers host name. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 16 18:28:51 2014 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 14:28:51 -0400 Subject: ISP filtering port 25 In-Reply-To: <53252FC8.9010806-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <53252FC8.9010806@sobac.com> Message-ID: <5325ED63.9000005@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 14-03-16 12:59 AM, Bob Jonkman wrote: > > Static IP is an extra service for which I pay an additional > $4/month, which also gets me newsgroup access ? Lawks! I've been paying my extra $4 for a static IP since 2006, and I never knew about Teksavvy's Usenet access. It's not the fastest thing in the world, but I'm not complaining. Thanks for letting me know, Bob! Stewart -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTJe1jAAoJEA7kB83rJlsGqhQP/3MdZYzn/Dt+HaJ1mGY9wYxO K48g5d8gkIO2mbXRGoshSvcdPP8/v5COCbq1FhZmYlT6vtjbmwjKxzSkOJXTftSq hW+xuZekpjoD0r5Sr1d8PhNYDrkRJ1RP8xltZewNztAvMjy/Ast4CEGe4idMZIJW 6Ib7VkLJtc7K/OdM6iuw8xtyaLDRFidaDm/SZfeNPNWlXC4zpywJme/Kfsa7x5h/ J1iFSDuD5UT1DXt1NPHUG5eD7VmNlCR/NQIJVSUbDpCwVnts8x3Myeh592rQ8Qut i8PPTuUNMjvBRPRmaQc4GXHDAVFqW8K4U5nngLG61gzX7mjZgrAM/RIGffABXxLy dTvZz1Jjlx8HTRvCanCRPIGxleLx6x8ecZlfQn7SRjs1R0SS2Ofhu/4j8WV3BHr4 vQFB8fSk1WAXaOaZu9bMJzzrcejCxFmgoHY+M4JrRuc6YdK8UB7ocVyyUpMnb5at OOfCgmmPtbZaxJJMqdYl0mqz+E8o2xnPR3rcSNdGzfVZX02WuJ+Ge2rhmjhN59pp V7mupCMVk/f/5+eM4sBIlbh7OTu5XJfZiW0gkKI5yihzxJeYHHFDWRiFUml4M73J ck3zRzM0HEq/NfW/EfUKEXmVUqJ5kdfNmy70OuWjvISJvbfJypx3wtKeiG18H5Nu tbjJSMxFtiocx/qTkgK5 =m5bG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 02:08:24 2014 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 22:08:24 -0400 Subject: ISP filtering port 25 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53265918.7030609@lijour.net> Talking to ISP support is useless. Google does a better job at providing a solution. Anyhow, I found a solution to my problem. It was as simple as telling postfix to listen to port 465 with sasl authentication. Port 465 is not filtered. Now I can send email from any port 25-filtered network. On 16/03/14 04:03 AM, Ben Walton wrote:- > > This implies that you're trying to send mail either directly from your > machine to the world or are using a non-ISP provided mail service. > > If it's the former stop it. :) > > You really don't want to do direct to port 25 unless you're a proper > mail server. If you're doing this on your home internet connection, > you don't count. > > If it's the latter, I recommend doing this for many reasons. Any mail > service provider worth using will listen on TCP/587 and require > TLS+auth for outbound relay through this port. > > (I used to feel quite indignant about this myself. A few years of > dealing with the type of crap that originates from ISP networks > running a mail service that people cared about changed this view.) > > Thanks > -Ben > > On Mar 16, 2014 2:49 AM, "Marc Lijour" > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Is there a way around this? Do I have to change ISP or is there hope? > > I bet many of you have their own mail servers out there. > > Marc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 12:26:10 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 08:26:10 -0400 Subject: New mom board Message-ID: <5326E9E2.6050902@rogers.com> I'm thinking about getting a new motherboard for my computer. My current motherboard is an ASUS/AMD 64 bit that's showing it's age. Any suggestions? Of course, it must work well with Linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 13:31:18 2014 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 09:31:18 -0400 Subject: New mom board In-Reply-To: <5326E9E2.6050902-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <5326E9E2.6050902@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20140317133118.GA47834@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> I switched to an Intel combo last fall and have been happy with it. Intel Corporation Server Board S1200BTS Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor PCI Express -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 14:15:30 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 10:15:30 -0400 Subject: New mom board In-Reply-To: <20140317133118.GA47834-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <5326E9E2.6050902@rogers.com> <20140317133118.GA47834@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <53270382.7080702@rogers.com> Neil Watson wrote: > I switched to an Intel combo last fall and have been happy with it. > > Intel Corporation Server Board S1200BTS > Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor PCI Express > I don't know that I need a server class board, but I guess it wouldn't hurt. How much do they cost and where did you buy it? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 14:17:52 2014 From: lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 10:17:52 -0400 Subject: New mom board In-Reply-To: <5326E9E2.6050902-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <5326E9E2.6050902@rogers.com> Message-ID: <53270410.6040902@alteeve.ca> On 17/03/14 08:26 AM, James Knott wrote: > I'm thinking about getting a new motherboard for my computer. My > current motherboard is an ASUS/AMD 64 bit that's showing it's age. Any > suggestions? Of course, it must work well with Linux. Whatever you get, be sure it doesn't have a realtek network card on it. These are almost everywhere as they're so cheap. If you find a mainboard with an actual Intel NIC (desktop or server), then it's a good sign it's a board aimed at quality instead of lowest price, so it should work better. The realtek cards are just horrible little NICs... -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 14:42:40 2014 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 10:42:40 -0400 Subject: New mom board In-Reply-To: <53270382.7080702-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <5326E9E2.6050902@rogers.com> <20140317133118.GA47834@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <53270382.7080702@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20140317144240.GA58214@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:15:30AM -0400, James Knott wrote: >Neil Watson wrote: >> Intel Corporation Server Board S1200BTS >> Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor PCI Express >> > >I don't know that I need a server class board, but I guess it wouldn't >hurt. How much do they cost and where did you buy it? I can't recall now. All that matters is what it, or similar costs, now. I like server boards because they are more reliable than consumer or enthusiast boards. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 14:45:34 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 10:45:34 -0400 Subject: New mom board In-Reply-To: <53270410.6040902-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <5326E9E2.6050902@rogers.com> <53270410.6040902@alteeve.ca> Message-ID: <53270A8E.6050007@rogers.com> Digimer wrote: > On 17/03/14 08:26 AM, James Knott wrote: >> I'm thinking about getting a new motherboard for my computer. My >> current motherboard is an ASUS/AMD 64 bit that's showing it's age. Any >> suggestions? Of course, it must work well with Linux. > > Whatever you get, be sure it doesn't have a realtek network card on > it. These are almost everywhere as they're so cheap. If you find a > mainboard with an actual Intel NIC (desktop or server), then it's a > good sign it's a board aimed at quality instead of lowest price, so it > should work better. > > The realtek cards are just horrible little NICs... > NICs are easy enough to work around, but video is more of a concern. My current video card is NVidia, which is starting to run into driver issues, as they are proprietary and the open source Nouveau drivers are crap. I understand Intel video is also good. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 15:09:48 2014 From: lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 11:09:48 -0400 Subject: New mom board In-Reply-To: <53270A8E.6050007-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <5326E9E2.6050902@rogers.com> <53270410.6040902@alteeve.ca> <53270A8E.6050007@rogers.com> Message-ID: <5327103C.507@alteeve.ca> On 17/03/14 10:45 AM, James Knott wrote: > Digimer wrote: >> On 17/03/14 08:26 AM, James Knott wrote: >>> I'm thinking about getting a new motherboard for my computer. My >>> current motherboard is an ASUS/AMD 64 bit that's showing it's age. Any >>> suggestions? Of course, it must work well with Linux. >> >> Whatever you get, be sure it doesn't have a realtek network card on >> it. These are almost everywhere as they're so cheap. If you find a >> mainboard with an actual Intel NIC (desktop or server), then it's a >> good sign it's a board aimed at quality instead of lowest price, so it >> should work better. >> >> The realtek cards are just horrible little NICs... >> > > NICs are easy enough to work around, but video is more of a concern. My > current video card is NVidia, which is starting to run into driver > issues, as they are proprietary and the open source Nouveau drivers are > crap. I understand Intel video is also good. The crux of my argument was that a mainboard that includes an intel NIC will likely be built to an overall-higher standard. -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 16:01:20 2014 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 12:01:20 -0400 Subject: ISP filtering port 25 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140317160120.GN17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 08:03:41AM +0000, Ben Walton wrote: > This implies that you're trying to send mail either directly from your > machine to the world or are using a non-ISP provided mail service. > > If it's the former stop it. :) > > You really don't want to do direct to port 25 unless you're a proper mail > server. If you're doing this on your home internet connection, you don't > count. > > If it's the latter, I recommend doing this for many reasons. Any mail > service provider worth using will listen on TCP/587 and require TLS+auth > for outbound relay through this port. > > (I used to feel quite indignant about this myself. A few years of dealing > with the type of crap that originates from ISP networks running a mail > service that people cared about changed this view.) So according to you people are not allowed to run a mail server for their own domain anymore unless they are an ISP? What kind of shitty world do you live in? That's not reasonable. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bdwalton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 16:26:26 2014 From: bdwalton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ben Walton) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:26:26 +0000 Subject: ISP filtering port 25 In-Reply-To: <20140317160120.GN17767-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20140317160120.GN17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 08:03:41AM +0000, Ben Walton wrote: >> This implies that you're trying to send mail either directly from your >> machine to the world or are using a non-ISP provided mail service. >> >> If it's the former stop it. :) >> >> You really don't want to do direct to port 25 unless you're a proper mail >> server. If you're doing this on your home internet connection, you don't >> count. >> >> If it's the latter, I recommend doing this for many reasons. Any mail >> service provider worth using will listen on TCP/587 and require TLS+auth >> for outbound relay through this port. >> >> (I used to feel quite indignant about this myself. A few years of dealing >> with the type of crap that originates from ISP networks running a mail >> service that people cared about changed this view.) > > So according to you people are not allowed to run a mail server for > their own domain anymore unless they are an ISP? No, that's not what I'm saying. Change "not allowed to" to shouldn't. Anyone capable of running a mail server properly doesn't need port 25 egress and those that aren't capable shouldn't. I'd argue that lists like http://www.dnsbl.info/dnsbl-details.php?dnsbl=dul.dnsbl.sorbs.net are very useful. Again, if you're clued in, you're perfectly able to relay mail out using TLS and authentication. If not...well, you probably shouldn't be sending the mail out. ISP's are doing the internet in general a favour by blocking this port. It provides such an incredibly low signal to noise ratio that blocking it to prevent spambots is the right choice. (ISP's blocking _inbound_ tcp/25 is a different matter.) That's not to say it's without cost...it is unfortunate and I'd prefer a network where this isn't required. That said, I'm a realist and the genie is out of the bottle. Thanks -Ben -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take the risk of thinking for yourself. Much more happiness, truth, beauty and wisdom will come to you that way. -Christopher Hitchens --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 16:27:34 2014 From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 12:27:34 -0400 Subject: New mom board In-Reply-To: <5327103C.507-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <5326E9E2.6050902@rogers.com> <53270410.6040902@alteeve.ca> <53270A8E.6050007@rogers.com> <5327103C.507@alteeve.ca> Message-ID: <53272276.9060407@sobac.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 James Knott wrote: > video is more of a concern. If so, I would expect a consumer board to have better video than a server board - what server needs more than a text console? Adding a "gaming" video card is probably a better choice for high quality, high speed video. But I have my doubts about Linux compatibility for "gaming" video cards. - --Bob, who stopped knowing hardware specs when the Pentium was invented On 14-03-17 11:09 AM, Digimer wrote: > On 17/03/14 10:45 AM, James Knott wrote: >> Digimer wrote: >>> On 17/03/14 08:26 AM, James Knott wrote: >>>> I'm thinking about getting a new motherboard for my computer. >>>> My current motherboard is an ASUS/AMD 64 bit that's showing >>>> it's age. Any suggestions? Of course, it must work well >>>> with Linux. >>> >>> Whatever you get, be sure it doesn't have a realtek network >>> card on it. These are almost everywhere as they're so cheap. If >>> you find a mainboard with an actual Intel NIC (desktop or >>> server), then it's a good sign it's a board aimed at quality >>> instead of lowest price, so it should work better. >>> >>> The realtek cards are just horrible little NICs... >>> >> >> NICs are easy enough to work around, but video is more of a >> concern. My current video card is NVidia, which is starting to >> run into driver issues, as they are proprietary and the open >> source Nouveau drivers are crap. I understand Intel video is >> also good. > > The crux of my argument was that a mainboard that includes an intel > NIC will likely be built to an overall-higher standard. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Ensure confidentiality, authenticity, non-repudiability iEYEARECAAYFAlMnInEACgkQuRKJsNLM5ep3oACgpD9tYQqFphNqZV+6XFXtigdf 6y8Anjo1pd555r3sx0tdLeJGEM7vx7V0 =LLcp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 16:32:27 2014 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 12:32:27 -0400 Subject: ISP filtering port 25 In-Reply-To: References: <20140317160120.GN17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20140317163227.GO17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 04:26:26PM +0000, Ben Walton wrote: > No, that's not what I'm saying. Change "not allowed to" to shouldn't. > Anyone capable of running a mail server properly doesn't need port 25 > egress and those that aren't capable shouldn't. I'd argue that lists > like http://www.dnsbl.info/dnsbl-details.php?dnsbl=dul.dnsbl.sorbs.net > are very useful. Again, if you're clued in, you're perfectly able to > relay mail out using TLS and authentication. If not...well, you > probably shouldn't be sending the mail out. You would have to find someone (maybe your ISP) willing to do relaying for your domain (I suppose if you are authenticating as a valid user of the ISP, they should, given the mail can at least trace who is responsible for the email). > ISP's are doing the internet in general a favour by blocking this > port. It provides such an incredibly low signal to noise ratio that > blocking it to prevent spambots is the right choice. (ISP's blocking > _inbound_ tcp/25 is a different matter.) > > That's not to say it's without cost...it is unfortunate and I'd prefer > a network where this isn't required. That said, I'm a realist and the > genie is out of the bottle. Well at least teksavvy as far as I know will let you run with port 25 unblocked if you have a static IP although you may have to ask to be unblocked. I don't run a mail server myself. Sometimes I think I should, but it seems like work. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 16:41:55 2014 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 12:41:55 -0400 Subject: New mom board In-Reply-To: <53272276.9060407-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <5326E9E2.6050902@rogers.com> <53270410.6040902@alteeve.ca> <53270A8E.6050007@rogers.com> <5327103C.507@alteeve.ca> <53272276.9060407@sobac.com> Message-ID: <20140317164155.GA74985@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:27:34PM -0400, Bob Jonkman wrote: >Adding a "gaming" video card is probably a better choice for high >quality, high speed video. But I have my doubts about Linux >compatibility for "gaming" video cards. I've used NVIDIA card in Linux workstation for years and have never had a problem. The NVIDIA drivers work, or at least when you have a driver that works you don't upgrade just for the sake of it. I've never had performance issues. Mind you, my gaming is limited to bzflag and ut2004. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bdwalton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 16:48:03 2014 From: bdwalton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ben Walton) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:48:03 +0000 Subject: ISP filtering port 25 In-Reply-To: <20140317163227.GO17767-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20140317160120.GN17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140317163227.GO17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 04:26:26PM +0000, Ben Walton wrote: >> No, that's not what I'm saying. Change "not allowed to" to shouldn't. >> Anyone capable of running a mail server properly doesn't need port 25 >> egress and those that aren't capable shouldn't. I'd argue that lists >> like http://www.dnsbl.info/dnsbl-details.php?dnsbl=dul.dnsbl.sorbs.net >> are very useful. Again, if you're clued in, you're perfectly able to >> relay mail out using TLS and authentication. If not...well, you >> probably shouldn't be sending the mail out. > > You would have to find someone (maybe your ISP) willing to do relaying > for your domain (I suppose if you are authenticating as a valid user of > the ISP, they should, given the mail can at least trace who is responsible > for the email). Yes, that's true, but it's a low barrier to entry for someone capable of running a mail server that isn't a spam relay. :) > >> ISP's are doing the internet in general a favour by blocking this >> port. It provides such an incredibly low signal to noise ratio that >> blocking it to prevent spambots is the right choice. (ISP's blocking >> _inbound_ tcp/25 is a different matter.) >> >> That's not to say it's without cost...it is unfortunate and I'd prefer >> a network where this isn't required. That said, I'm a realist and the >> genie is out of the bottle. > > Well at least teksavvy as far as I know will let you run with port > 25 unblocked if you have a static IP although you may have to ask to > be unblocked. I'd be interested to know when RBL's have TekSavvy's static ranges included. > > I don't run a mail server myself. Sometimes I think I should, but it > seems like work. :) I used to do this, but stopped. I now configure enough of a local mail system that cron mail, etc, gets relayed to someplace that I'll see it but stop there. If you're running mail for a domain, either a paid for VM running your stack of choice or a virtual mail hosting service is the way to go anyway. The time and effort required to run anything approaching decent is far to much for a hobby domain on your home network. Thanks -Ben -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take the risk of thinking for yourself. Much more happiness, truth, beauty and wisdom will come to you that way. -Christopher Hitchens --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 17:02:39 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:02:39 -0400 Subject: New mom board In-Reply-To: <53272276.9060407-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <5326E9E2.6050902@rogers.com> <53270410.6040902@alteeve.ca> <53270A8E.6050007@rogers.com> <5327103C.507@alteeve.ca> <53272276.9060407@sobac.com> Message-ID: <53272AAF.5010006@rogers.com> Bob Jonkman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > James Knott wrote: >> > video is more of a concern. > If so, I would expect a consumer board to have better video than a > server board - what server needs more than a text console? > > Adding a "gaming" video card is probably a better choice for high > quality, high speed video. But I have my doubts about Linux > compatibility for "gaming" video cards. > I don't need server level performance and I don't play games. However, I want something with good Linux video drivers. The Nvidia video I currently have works fine with the NVidia drivers, but it's extra work to get them installed and I don't know how long they'll support the various models. Mine's already on the way out. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 17:13:55 2014 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:13:55 -0300 Subject: New mom board In-Reply-To: <53272AAF.5010006-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <5326E9E2.6050902@rogers.com> <53270410.6040902@alteeve.ca> <53270A8E.6050007@rogers.com> <5327103C.507@alteeve.ca> <53272276.9060407@sobac.com> <53272AAF.5010006@rogers.com> Message-ID: 2014-03-17 14:02 GMT-03:00 James Knott : > > I don't need server level performance and I don't play games. However, > I want something with good Linux video drivers. The Nvidia video I > currently have works fine with the NVidia drivers, but it's extra work > to get them installed and I don't know how long they'll support the > various models. Mine's already on the way out. > If you don?t play games and need something with good Linux video drivers, I would definitely go with intel video cards. The drivers always works just great (never had any problem) and you?ll probably never have headaches with kernel/xorg/video driver updates. As I don?t enjoy games, intel is always my first option, since 2004. best, Marcelo Cavalcante - kalib -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 17:21:42 2014 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:21:42 -0400 Subject: Usb Modeswitch Message-ID: <603e9a5c-bbaf-4bf5-98ad-04f2137dcc2e@email.android.com> Hi, I'm trying to get an older Motorola phone -Snap XT300 to modeswitch. I'm able to use udevadm to find and mount the sim storage. What I am unable to find on the internet is the switch target id and message to send -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 17:31:05 2014 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:31:05 -0400 Subject: Usb modeswitch Message-ID: <02338178-48c5-44f6-855d-75a0575d2ffd@email.android.com> Sorry for the double post, the message got sent before it was complete. Have to turn down the touchscreen sensitivity. What I am hoping is that someone on the list is using a motorola phone and can post a copy of target vendor and product id's and message contennt to enable the switch. Thanks Russell -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 19:26:26 2014 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 15:26:26 -0400 Subject: New mom board In-Reply-To: <53272AAF.5010006-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <5326E9E2.6050902@rogers.com> <53270410.6040902@alteeve.ca> <53270A8E.6050007@rogers.com> <5327103C.507@alteeve.ca> <53272276.9060407@sobac.com> <53272AAF.5010006@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20140317192626.GP17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 01:02:39PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > I don't need server level performance and I don't play games. However, > I want something with good Linux video drivers. The Nvidia video I > currently have works fine with the NVidia drivers, but it's extra work > to get them installed and I don't know how long they'll support the > various models. Mine's already on the way out. The support so far has been many years, and the few cards I have that are no longer supported do work quite well with nouveau. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 20:11:14 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:11:14 -0400 Subject: New mom board In-Reply-To: <20140317192626.GP17767-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <5326E9E2.6050902@rogers.com> <53270410.6040902@alteeve.ca> <53270A8E.6050007@rogers.com> <5327103C.507@alteeve.ca> <53272276.9060407@sobac.com> <53272AAF.5010006@rogers.com> <20140317192626.GP17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <532756E2.8050005@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 01:02:39PM -0400, James Knott wrote: >> > I don't need server level performance and I don't play games. However, >> > I want something with good Linux video drivers. The Nvidia video I >> > currently have works fine with the NVidia drivers, but it's extra work >> > to get them installed and I don't know how long they'll support the >> > various models. Mine's already on the way out. > The support so far has been many years, and the few cards I have that > are no longer supported do work quite well with nouveau. I found the Nouveau drivers caused a significant performance hit. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 20:52:55 2014 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:52:55 -0400 Subject: New mom board In-Reply-To: <532756E2.8050005-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <5326E9E2.6050902@rogers.com> <53270410.6040902@alteeve.ca> <53270A8E.6050007@rogers.com> <5327103C.507@alteeve.ca> <53272276.9060407@sobac.com> <53272AAF.5010006@rogers.com> <20140317192626.GP17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <532756E2.8050005@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20140317205255.GQ17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 04:11:14PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > I found the Nouveau drivers caused a significant performance hit. Compared to the nvidia binary drivers, sure, but for cards that old, do you really care anymore? On such old machines I just want working X. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 21:15:07 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 17:15:07 -0400 Subject: New mom board In-Reply-To: <20140317205255.GQ17767-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <5326E9E2.6050902@rogers.com> <53270410.6040902@alteeve.ca> <53270A8E.6050007@rogers.com> <5327103C.507@alteeve.ca> <53272276.9060407@sobac.com> <53272AAF.5010006@rogers.com> <20140317192626.GP17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <532756E2.8050005@rogers.com> <20140317205255.GQ17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <532765DB.2020100@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Compared to the nvidia binary drivers, sure, but for cards that old, > do you really care anymore? On such old machines I just want working X. When it makes the computer extremely slow, yes I care. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 17 21:57:27 2014 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 17:57:27 -0400 Subject: New mom board In-Reply-To: <532765DB.2020100-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <5326E9E2.6050902@rogers.com> <53270410.6040902@alteeve.ca> <53270A8E.6050007@rogers.com> <5327103C.507@alteeve.ca> <53272276.9060407@sobac.com> <53272AAF.5010006@rogers.com> <20140317192626.GP17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <532756E2.8050005@rogers.com> <20140317205255.GQ17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <532765DB.2020100@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20140317215727.GR17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 05:15:07PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > When it makes the computer extremely slow, yes I care. Well I use it for a GF6200 at work on my desltop. X runs fine with it for me. glxgears pulls of 380fps on this setup. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ushnish.sengupta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 18 02:56:13 2014 From: ushnish.sengupta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ushnish Sengupta) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 22:56:13 -0400 Subject: FYI - EdX offering free online Introduction to Linux course Message-ID: Hi By now, you may have heard of Massive Online Open Courses (MOOCs) EdX is offering a free online Introduction To Linux course that may be of interest https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-introduction-1621 Not that most people on this list need an Introduction To Linux course But it starts in the fall, so plenty of time to sign up, take the course and critique it after. Hey maybe even come up with a better course if you can! 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What I am unable to find on the internet is the switch target id and message to send > > What I am hoping is that someone on the list is using a motorola phone and can post a copy of target vendor and product id's and message contennt to enable the switch. > > Thanks > Russell > A fair bit more information would help us understand what your asking for Russell. After a quick search, do you mean this phone? http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_spice_xt300-3540.php What does 'modeswitch'ing do? I've seen it referenced in passing about older usb 3G modems, so I almost didn't missed that you were talking about a phone. How are you connecting to this phone, from your limited description I'm having to infer and guess that your connect it to a computer via USB? Is this correct? -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 18 11:56:50 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 07:56:50 -0400 Subject: GPG Key strength In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53283482.6010207@rogers.com> Antonio Sun wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Myles Braithwaite - > me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org wrote: > > I am going to be running another GPG Key-Signing at the next GTALUG > meeting (11th March, 2014 at 7:30pm). > > > How long are you guy's GPG Keys? I use the GPG defaults when > generating my key and now I found it might be only 1024 bit and is now > considered no longer trustable: > I used 4096. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 18 12:52:11 2014 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 08:52:11 -0400 Subject: Usb Modeswitch In-Reply-To: <5327CB17.4050505-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <603e9a5c-bbaf-4bf5-98ad-04f2137dcc2e@email.android.com> <5327CB17.4050505@ss.org> Message-ID: <5af3bc1a-f583-4d16-a8b6-75c13ab3a64f@email.android.com> Hi I'll try to be a little more precise. Yes that is the phone. I am connecting via usb tether. This phone predates wireless hotspot so if I want to use the phone as a modem I have to switch the mode from storage to modem The reason the device presents as storage is so that MS OS can copy the apps from the phone to the PC. These apps allow you to either copy files to and from the phone or 'eject' the block device so the character device may be mounted. Oddly enough if I had installed linux with the phone tethered at that time, the character device would have been recognized. Udev is what calls usb_modeswitch from it's rules.d folder. Distros come with 40-android.rules as a part of udev and the generic rules default to storage class. Newer devices simply switch the device class. However older units require that the id for vendor and product both be changed. Hex digits for vendor and for product. Source switched to target. Then a message, just a string of numbers, is sent to the phone and voila, storage device is unmounted and no longer blocking access to the always on modem. At that point I can mount the node as TTY device. Unfortunately usb_modeswitch.data currently only has one entry for motorola and that's for a different type of product. Here's an example entry from the conf file, not for motorola tho. DefaultVendor= 0x05c6 DefaultProduct= 0x1000 TargetVendor= 0x0af0 TargetProduct= 0x6901 MessageContent="55534243123456780000000000000601000000000000000000000000000000" Udevadm info --attribute walk (DEVPATH) gives me the defaults, but I'm trying to avoid having to do an install with the phone tethered in order to try and sniff out the target data. I was hoping that someone on the list had done this grunt work already. Although now that I've tried to explain the issue it occurs to me that perhaps I can send 'eject' the storage device and then sniff out the serial attributes which would then be available. If I can't find the target data on a net forum or from someone who has switched this older phone, I guess that's what I'll try next. Thanks Russell Scott Sullivan wrote: >On 03/17/2014 01:21 PM, Russell wrote: >> Hi, I'm trying to get an older Motorola phone -Snap XT300 to >modeswitch. I'm able to use udevadm to find and mount the sim storage. >What I am unable to find on the internet is the switch target id and >message to send >> > > What I am hoping is that someone on the list is using a motorola >phone and can post a copy of target vendor and product id's and message > >contennt to enable the switch. > > > > Thanks > > Russell > > > >A fair bit more information would help us understand what your asking >for Russell. > >After a quick search, do you mean this phone? >http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_spice_xt300-3540.php > >What does 'modeswitch'ing do? >I've seen it referenced in passing about older usb 3G modems, so I >almost didn't missed that you were talking about a phone. > >How are you connecting to this phone, from your limited description I'm > >having to infer and guess that your connect it to a computer via USB? > >Is this correct? -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 18 17:50:55 2014 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 13:50:55 -0400 Subject: Desperately seeking some YouTube expertise Message-ID: Hi there. It looks as if a YouTube channel that was created a year ago is inaccessible since everything was linked to Google+ accounts. I log into the YouTube for blah-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org It takes me to the G+ account for user foo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org When I go to the YouTube video manager, it takes me to the personal channel of foo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org So right now it seems the channel for user blah is inaccessible. Ami I missing anything? 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URL: From lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 18 17:59:03 2014 From: lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 13:59:03 -0400 Subject: Desperately seeking some YouTube expertise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53288967.1030101@alteeve.ca> On 18/03/14 01:50 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Hi there. > > It looks as if a YouTube channel that was created a year ago is > inaccessible since everything was linked to Google+ accounts. > > I log into the YouTube for blah-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > It takes me to the G+ account for user foo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > When I go to the YouTube video manager, it takes me to the personal > channel of foo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > > So right now it seems the channel for user blah is inaccessible. > > Ami I missing anything? > > Thanks! Click on your g+ icon at the top-right. It opens a panel and on the bottom-right is an option to 'Switch Account". They keep switching me away from my youtube account to g+ as well. If they're not going to provide an easy migration tool, they should leave the darn accounts alone. >_> -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From wwitteman-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 18 17:59:16 2014 From: wwitteman-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Witteman) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 13:59:16 -0400 Subject: Desperately seeking some YouTube expertise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sometimes YouTube has a canonical user for a given login, but retains the previous user account. When I go to YouTube and click on my username I see "Switch accounts", which lets me access the other, previous persona associated with my browser (it reads my old cookie and associates it with the "new" gmail account). I use this to have a YouTube history filled with Caillou, Peppa Pig and Lego game recordings, and a separate history for me, which includes none of those things :-) My usage is convenient now, but it is making the best of a terrible situation that I resent the heck out of. William On 18 March 2014 13:50, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Hi there. > > It looks as if a YouTube channel that was created a year ago is inaccessible > since everything was linked to Google+ accounts. > > I log into the YouTube for blah-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > It takes me to the G+ account for user foo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > When I go to the YouTube video manager, it takes me to the personal channel > of foo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > > So right now it seems the channel for user blah is inaccessible. > > Ami I missing anything? > > Thanks! > > > -- > Evan Leibovitch > Toronto Canada > > Em: evan at telly dot org > Sk: evanleibovitch > Tw: el56 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 15:18:25 2014 From: davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 11:18:25 -0400 Subject: sipxecs behind NAT Message-ID: I have almost everything working, except RTP events once the call is established. I've tracked it down to the fact that the phone is sending the RTP events to the internal IP address behind the NAT. I have setup the external address on the server. Any ideas ? Dave Cramer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 15:44:33 2014 From: davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 11:44:33 -0400 Subject: sipxecs behind NAT In-Reply-To: <532B092E.50409-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <532B092E.50409@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: This is my masquerade rule: MASQUERADE all -- 192.168.122.0/24 !192.168.122.0/24 I'm curious why sipxecs would even put the internal IP in the packet ? Dave Cramer On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On 03/20/2014 11:18 AM, Dave Cramer wrote: > > I have almost everything working, except RTP events once the call is > > established. I've tracked it down to the fact that the phone is sending > the > > RTP events to the internal IP address behind the NAT. I have setup the > > external address on the server. > > > > Any ideas ? > > Sounds like a missing MASQUERADE rule if it is getting the internal IP. > > Given you have an established connection I assume your FORWARD rules are > working. > > Cheers, Jamon > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 15:57:22 2014 From: davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 11:57:22 -0400 Subject: sipxecs behind NAT In-Reply-To: <20140320154548.GS17767-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <532B092E.50409@utoronto.ca> <20140320154548.GS17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:44:33AM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > > This is my masquerade rule: > > > > MASQUERADE all -- 192.168.122.0/24 !192.168.122.0/24 > > > > I'm curious why sipxecs would even put the internal IP in the packet ? > > Do you have the sip conntrack helper module loaded on your router? > > SIP is one of the protocols that needs help to go through nat, because > the packets include internal IPs in them. > > Len, I didn't but I just loaded them with similar results Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 16:19:18 2014 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 12:19:18 -0400 Subject: sipxecs behind NAT In-Reply-To: References: <532B092E.50409@utoronto.ca> <20140320154548.GS17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20140320161846.GT17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:57:22AM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Lennart Sorensen < > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:44:33AM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > > > This is my masquerade rule: > > > > > > MASQUERADE all -- 192.168.122.0/24 !192.168.122.0/24 > > > > > > I'm curious why sipxecs would even put the internal IP in the packet ? > > > > Do you have the sip conntrack helper module loaded on your router? > > > > SIP is one of the protocols that needs help to go through nat, because > > the packets include internal IPs in them. > > > > Len, > > I didn't but I just loaded them with similar results You may have to reboot the router (or somehow flush the connection tracking table) to make it forget about any existing connection attempts. Of course some sip phones are "broken" or at least weird and unusual and don't work well with the sip nat handling in the kernel (generally things made by Cisco, but only a few models). The modules should be nf_nat_sip and nf_conntrack_sip. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 20 16:33:20 2014 From: davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 12:33:20 -0400 Subject: sipxecs behind NAT In-Reply-To: <20140320161846.GT17767-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <532B092E.50409@utoronto.ca> <20140320154548.GS17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20140320161846.GT17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:57:22AM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Lennart Sorensen < > > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:44:33AM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > > > > This is my masquerade rule: > > > > > > > > MASQUERADE all -- 192.168.122.0/24 !192.168.122.0/24 > > > > > > > > I'm curious why sipxecs would even put the internal IP in the packet > ? > > > > > > Do you have the sip conntrack helper module loaded on your router? > > > > > > SIP is one of the protocols that needs help to go through nat, because > > > the packets include internal IPs in them. > > > > > > Len, > > > > I didn't but I just loaded them with similar results > > You may have to reboot the router (or somehow flush the connection > tracking table) to make it forget about any existing connection attempts. > > Of course some sip phones are "broken" or at least weird and unusual > and don't work well with the sip nat handling in the kernel (generally > things made by Cisco, but only a few models). > > The modules should be nf_nat_sip and nf_conntrack_sip. > Ya I think it could be the phone, and the "router" is a linux box so flushing the tracking table should be possible Thanks, Dave > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 21 05:19:11 2014 From: mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org (Molly Tournquist) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 01:19:11 -0400 Subject: FYI - EdX offering free online Introduction to Linux course Message-ID: <20140321051911.179530@gmx.com> > From: Ushnish Sengupta > Not that most people on this list need an Introduction To Linux course > But it starts in the fall, so plenty of time to sign up, take the course > and critique it after. Hey maybe even come up with a better course if you > can! Ushnish, aren't you supposed to be at a meeting at freeboot or planetgeekycanada or whatever your paedophile-housing charity was called and resume scheming to take over linuxfest and turn it into one big non-conference and bringing extended cable TV and Pentium 2 beowulf cluster access to the homeless? Or do you just vastly prefer pimping these pseudo-quasi-courses because of how much you relish driving univeristy people up the wall? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 21 11:25:51 2014 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 07:25:51 -0400 Subject: FYI - EdX offering free online Introduction to Linux course In-Reply-To: <20140321051911.179530-KK0ffGbhmjU@public.gmane.org> References: <20140321051911.179530@gmx.com> Message-ID: <532C21BF.4060109@gmail.com> C'mon Molly, we don't do ad hominem attacks here any more. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 21 11:36:17 2014 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 08:36:17 -0300 Subject: FYI - EdX offering free online Introduction to Linux course In-Reply-To: <20140321051911.179530-KK0ffGbhmjU@public.gmane.org> References: <20140321051911.179530@gmx.com> Message-ID: 2014-03-21 2:19 GMT-03:00 Molly Tournquist : > Ushnish, aren't you supposed to be at a meeting at freeboot or > planetgeekycanada or whatever your paedophile-housing charity was called > and resume scheming to take over linuxfest and turn it into one big > non-conference and bringing extended cable TV and Pentium 2 beowulf cluster > access to the homeless? Or do you just vastly prefer pimping these > pseudo-quasi-courses because of how much you relish driving univeristy > people up the wall? > There is no need for this. Sometimes we just know someone who is trying to learn the basics of Linux, maybe a cousin, a friend, etc. There is no need to be rude simply because someone shares a tip like this. In fact, Ushnish, that?s a nice tip. I actually have two young guys in my company who are starting to learn the basics of Linux. I?ll forward your email. ;] Best regards, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 21 16:21:33 2014 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:21:33 -0400 Subject: FYI - EdX offering free online Introduction to Linux course In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I support a few people who want to learn more but not necessarily to go pro. The ability to audit this course is probably exactly what they need and I'll pass it on. A decade and a half ago, or thereabouts, I was asked to co-ordinate the BOF for tlug at Compufest. I was fortunate to be able to convince John "Maddog" Hall to come to our meeting after I went to hear him speak. I had the opportunity to talk to him about early UNIX development and since I was interested in providing professional linux services, I asked him whether this kind of training would have value in the marketplace. John told me this. In the early days and this probably holds true today, the PHD"s wrote the code, but it was the operators, who were self trained in that business operation of computers, who really knew what was going on. So in that spirit of helpfulness which I learned from John and my old friend and former list member Jan Carlson, thanks for the link. Regards Russell On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Ushnish Sengupta < ushnish.sengupta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Hi > By now, you may have heard of Massive Online Open Courses (MOOCs) > > EdX is offering a free online Introduction To Linux course that may be of > interest > > > https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-introduction-1621 > > Not that most people on this list need an Introduction To Linux course > But it starts in the fall, so plenty of time to sign up, take the course > and critique it after. Hey maybe even come up with a better course if you > can! > > Course provided by: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/ > > Instructor: Jerry Cooperstein PhD > > Jerry Cooperstein has been working with Linux since 1994, developing and > delivering training in both the kernel and user space. He has overall > responsibility for all training content at The Linux Foundation. During a > two decade career in nuclear astrophysics, he developed state-of-the-art > simulation software on many kinds of supercomputers and taught at both the > undergraduate and graduate level. Cooperstein joined the Linux Foundation > in 2009 as the Training Program Director. He currently lives in Wisconsin. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 21 22:56:37 2014 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 18:56:37 -0400 Subject: Sysadmins; the NSA is trying to crack YOU. Message-ID: <20140321225637.GA17518@waltdnes.org> https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/03/20/inside-nsa-secret-efforts-hunt-hack-system-administrators/ > Across the world, people who work as system administrators keep > computer networks in order - and this has turned them into unwitting > targets of the National Security Agency for simply doing their > jobs. According to a secret document provided by NSA whistleblower > Edward Snowden, the agency tracks down the private email and Facebook > accounts of system administrators (or sys admins, as they are often > called), before hacking their computers to gain access to the networks > they control. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 22 00:37:14 2014 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 20:37:14 -0400 Subject: Sysadmins; the NSA is trying to crack YOU. In-Reply-To: <20140321225637.GA17518-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20140321225637.GA17518@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/03/20/inside-nsa-secret-efforts-hunt-hack-system-administrators/ > >> Across the world, people who work as system administrators keep >> computer networks in order - and this has turned them into unwitting >> targets of the National Security Agency for simply doing their >> jobs. According to a secret document provided by NSA whistleblower >> Edward Snowden, the agency tracks down the private email and Facebook >> accounts of system administrators (or sys admins, as they are often >> called), before hacking their computers to gain access to the networks >> they control. $0.05: After everything that's come before I really don't find this at all surprising. It's a great example of why I feel domain experts are needed in politics though. Lawmakers (and their staff) who don't understand the how's and why's of modern computing are bound to craft unsound policy based on biased opinion and advice - be it from lobbyists or otherwise. With all the inter-related issues - privacy, infosec, IoT, etc - not having sysadmins/devops/devs as politicians means we're leaving the debugging of a bug-ridden (and bugged ;-) system to the users. -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 http://psema4.com/pubkey.txt http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 22 01:02:00 2014 From: mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org (Molly Tournquist) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 21:02:00 -0400 Subject: FYI - EdX offering free online Introduction to Linux course Message-ID: <20140322010201.107460@gmx.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marcelo Cavalcante > Sent: 03/21/14 07:36 AM > Sometimes we just know someone who is trying to learn the basics of Linux, > maybe a cousin, a friend, etc. And sometimes we just know someone associated with Planetgeek/Cyberequality, or the Unitarian Church, or maybe a mental hospital that someone from one of those ended up in, or a designated recruiting scout that isn't officially part of the "charity", or a few such people. > In fact, Ushnish, that?s a nice tip. Funny how all of a sudden it's now notable. Too bad anyone's attempts to rub up to poor ushnish wouldn't even mean anything to him if he's accustomed to being seen/referred to as "mr. president". -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 22 11:55:02 2014 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 07:55:02 -0400 Subject: FYI - EdX offering free online Introduction to Linux course In-Reply-To: <20140322010201.107460-KK0ffGbhmjU@public.gmane.org> References: <20140322010201.107460@gmx.com> Message-ID: <7473f619-abaa-4cca-861e-5bab99448ee2@email.android.com> Ok. This has nothing to do with linux an in fact is promotion of hate of persons and if this person is enumerated in Ontario's human rights code the list managers become liable for damages if they don't stop these posts. Who is the list manager and what do they have to say about this? I was once victimized by haters on this list and had to deal with that myself. I didn"t sue but perhaps I should have. Calling a person a paedophile and bashing people for their associations on this list is at the very least slander and is not lawful in Canada. Whatever personal ax this poster has to grind is not welcome here or any place which has reasonable rules of conduct, Molly Tournquist wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Marcelo Cavalcante >> Sent: 03/21/14 07:36 AM >> Sometimes we just know someone who is trying to learn the basics of >Linux, >> maybe a cousin, a friend, etc. >And sometimes we just know someone associated with >Planetgeek/Cyberequality, or the Unitarian Church, or maybe a mental >hospital that someone from one of those ended up in, or a designated >recruiting scout that isn't officially part of the "charity", or a few >such people. > >> In fact, Ushnish, that?s a nice tip. >Funny how all of a sudden it's now notable. Too bad anyone's attempts >to rub up to poor ushnish wouldn't even mean anything to him if he's >accustomed to being seen/referred to as "mr. president". >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 22 23:47:32 2014 From: mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org (Molly Tournquist) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 19:47:32 -0400 Subject: FYI - EdX offering free online Introduction to Linux course Message-ID: <20140322234733.144500@gmx.com> > From: Russell > Sent: 03/22/14 07:55 AM > Ok. This has nothing to do with linux an in fact is promotion of hate of persons and if this person is enumerated in Ontario's human rights code the list managers become liable for damages if they don't stop these posts. > > Who is the list manager and what do they have to say about this? > > I was once victimized by haters on this list and had to deal with that myself. I didn"t sue but perhaps I should have. > > Calling a person a paedophile and bashing people for their associations on this list is at the very least slander and is not lawful in Canada. Hey, I never called him or anyone here a paedophile, or greenwasher, or microsoft stooge, or even an admin of pentium-2 beowolf clusters, But, holy fucking shit, freeboot and planetgeekycanada and cyberequalpoverty are gonna go RIAA on everyone!!! Don't worry, these weasly charities(which according to you should not be expected to have anything to do with linux) seem to pop up and go-under so often, nothing actually stays around to remain slanderable. Or faultable. Since it didn't actually get defended instead of a bunch of "poor underappreciated ushnish" noise, it looks like it did go under. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 23 00:13:38 2014 From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 20:13:38 -0400 Subject: FYI - EdX offering free online Introduction to Linux course In-Reply-To: <20140322234733.144500-KK0ffGbhmjU@public.gmane.org> References: <20140322234733.144500@gmx.com> Message-ID: Please stop. Please stay on topic. Not this one. :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 23 07:10:19 2014 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 08:10:19 +0100 Subject: FYI - EdX offering free online Introduction to Linux course In-Reply-To: <7473f619-abaa-4cca-861e-5bab99448ee2-2ueSQiBKiTY7tOexoI0I+QC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <20140322010201.107460@gmx.com> <7473f619-abaa-4cca-861e-5bab99448ee2@email.android.com> Message-ID: The code of conduct was formalized earlier this year. http://gtalug.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct I'll forward this thread to the board. This is clearly harassment. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Russell wrote: > Ok. This has nothing to do with linux an in fact is promotion of hate of persons and if this person is enumerated in Ontario's human rights code the list managers become liable for damages if they don't stop these posts. > > Who is the list manager and what do they have to say about this? > > I was once victimized by haters on this list and had to deal with that myself. I didn"t sue but perhaps I should have. > > Calling a person a paedophile and bashing people for their associations on this list is at the very least slander and is not lawful in Canada. > > Whatever personal ax this poster has to grind is not welcome here or any place which has reasonable rules of conduct, > > Molly Tournquist wrote: > >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Marcelo Cavalcante >>> Sent: 03/21/14 07:36 AM >>> Sometimes we just know someone who is trying to learn the basics of >>Linux, >>> maybe a cousin, a friend, etc. >>And sometimes we just know someone associated with >>Planetgeek/Cyberequality, or the Unitarian Church, or maybe a mental >>hospital that someone from one of those ended up in, or a designated >>recruiting scout that isn't officially part of the "charity", or a few >>such people. >> >>> In fact, Ushnish, that?s a nice tip. >>Funny how all of a sudden it's now notable. Too bad anyone's attempts >>to rub up to poor ushnish wouldn't even mean anything to him if he's >>accustomed to being seen/referred to as "mr. president". >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 26 13:27:47 2014 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 09:27:47 -0400 Subject: Looking for a speaker for the next meeting (8th April) Message-ID: We are looking for a speaker for the next GTALUG meeting. If you are interested or know of someone please contact me @ . -- Myles Braithwaite | http://mylesb.ca/e -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 26 23:37:26 2014 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:37:26 -0500 Subject: Usb Modeswitch - Update Message-ID: I thought I'd update this in case anyone else is working with an older phone with a crippled rom. Apparently this phone didn't allow for tethering for an Internet connection. Although the hardware is present, the rom doesn't address it. After I grepped the available modeswitch data for a Motorola product id for a phone and came up empty. I started looking for apps for the phone. I don't mind paying, I just didn't want to root the phone. Most apps wanted to root the phone but I found easytether lite which worked except that the light version won't do https, gmail and a few other things. You have to install some client software on the computer. This app seems to bypass modeswitching and this is the odd part, in order to use the app you select "manage sim card" as the connection option. You also have to allow debug access on the phone. I would expect that this would mount the sim card as a block device but when the app's usb function is enabled on the phone these devices show up crw-rw---T 1 root dialout 4, 64 Mar 24 20:07 ttyS0 crw-rw---T 1 root dialout 4, 65 Mar 24 20:07 ttyS1 crw-rw---T 1 root dialout 4, 66 Mar 24 20:07 ttyS2 crw-rw---T 1 root dialout 4, 67 Mar 24 20:07 ttyS3 as opposed to showing up as ttyUSBS0 etc. as they do when usb_modeswitch does the work. In any case and however it is done, I'm assuming hooks into the Android Debug Bridge, it worked well enough that I registered my copy and can access all features. On 3/18/14, Russell wrote: > Hi I'll try to be a little more precise. > > Yes that is the phone. I am connecting via usb tether. This phone predates > wireless hotspot so if I want to use the phone as a modem I have to switch > the mode from storage to modem > > The reason the device presents as storage is so that MS OS can copy the > apps from the phone to the PC. These apps allow you to either copy files to > and from the phone or 'eject' the block device so the character device may > be mounted. > > Oddly enough if I had installed linux with the phone tethered at that time, > the character device would have been recognized. Udev is what calls > usb_modeswitch from it's rules.d folder. Distros come with 40-android.rules > as a part of udev and the generic rules default to storage class. > > Newer devices simply switch the device class. However older units require > that the id for vendor and product both be changed. Hex digits for vendor > and for product. Source switched to target. Then a message, just a string > of numbers, is sent to the phone and voila, storage device is unmounted and > no longer blocking access to the always on modem. At that point I can mount > the node as TTY device. > > Unfortunately usb_modeswitch.data currently only has one entry for motorola > and that's for a different type of product. > > Here's an example entry from the conf file, not for motorola tho. > > DefaultVendor= 0x05c6 > DefaultProduct= 0x1000 > TargetVendor= 0x0af0 > TargetProduct= 0x6901 > MessageContent="55534243123456780000000000000601000000000000000000000000000000" > > > Udevadm info --attribute walk (DEVPATH) gives me the defaults, but I'm > trying to avoid having to do an install with the phone tethered in order to > try and sniff out the target data. > > I was hoping that someone on the list had done this grunt work already. > Although now that I've tried to explain the issue it occurs to me that > perhaps I can send 'eject' the storage device and then sniff out the serial > attributes which would then be available. > > If I can't find the target data on a net forum or from someone who has > switched this older phone, I guess that's what I'll try next. > > Thanks > Russell > > > > > > > > Scott Sullivan wrote: > >>On 03/17/2014 01:21 PM, Russell wrote: >>> Hi, I'm trying to get an older Motorola phone -Snap XT300 to >>modeswitch. I'm able to use udevadm to find and mount the sim storage. >>What I am unable to find on the internet is the switch target id and >>message to send >>> >> > What I am hoping is that someone on the list is using a motorola >>phone and can post a copy of target vendor and product id's and message >> >>contennt to enable the switch. >> > >> > Thanks >> > Russell >> > >> >>A fair bit more information would help us understand what your asking >>for Russell. >> >>After a quick search, do you mean this phone? >>http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_spice_xt300-3540.php >> >>What does 'modeswitch'ing do? >>I've seen it referenced in passing about older usb 3G modems, so I >>almost didn't missed that you were talking about a phone. >> >>How are you connecting to this phone, from your limited description I'm >> >>having to infer and guess that your connect it to a computer via USB? >> >>Is this correct? > > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 28 14:55:03 2014 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 10:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: interesting article about uneasiness with Ubuntu/Canonical Message-ID: This article seemed insightful. But maybe only because it matches my feelings. This is also interesting: -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 28 18:14:26 2014 From: davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (David Collier-Brown) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 14:14:26 -0400 Subject: interesting article about uneasiness with Ubuntu/Canonical In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5335BC02.5060503@rogers.com> "What we have here is a failure to communicate" (Cool Hand Luke) More plausibly, it's a failure of collegiality, something that the academic community works hard to retain, because of the very string pressures to go the other way. Our communities can suffer the same pressures. --dave On 03/28/2014 10:55 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > This article seemed insightful. But maybe only because it matches my > feelings. > > > This is also interesting: > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org | -- Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 28 18:15:17 2014 From: davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (David Collier-Brown) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 14:15:17 -0400 Subject: A test message, please ignore Message-ID: <5335BC35.80701@rogers.com> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 28 18:27:27 2014 From: davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (David Collier-Brown) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 14:27:27 -0400 Subject: A second test message, please ignore Message-ID: <5335BF0F.8060604@rogers.com> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 28 18:45:15 2014 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 13:45:15 -0500 Subject: interesting article about uneasiness with Ubuntu/Canonical In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My favourite comment on communication comes from the playwright Brian Freil. In Communication Chord, which is a slamming door comedy. He addresses the science of communication. To paraphrase; It is not just enough that the mechanical process of communication, which is the vibration of vocal chords, the disturbance of air molecules and the resulting sympathetic resonance of Auricle, Cochlea, Malleus, Incus and Stapes, is met in order to communicate; there must be a shared metaphor. Humans think pictorially and for there to be effective communication, that picture must be a shared one. Also: It's been said that, one thing which allows civilization to continue is the fact that after devastating battles, it is the the survivors who pick themselves up after the dust has settled and shake hands and walk away from further conflict who's versions of the battle prevail. In the context of the article, keeping accurate track of your roots is fundamental to development. Often little errors and omissions compound fractures and create chasm's. Is Ubuntu Debian, is Debian Ubuntu? It all depends on your frame of reference. In the rapidly changing and mutable cyberspace, anything is possible. On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 9:55 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > This article seemed insightful. But maybe only because it matches my > feelings. > < > http://www.datamation.com/open-source/ubuntu-and-the-unspoken-rules-1.html > > > > This is also interesting: > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 28 21:34:07 2014 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 17:34:07 -0400 Subject: A test message, please ignore In-Reply-To: <5335BC35.80701-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <5335BC35.80701@rogers.com> Message-ID: <5335EACF.9000108@rogers.com> David Collier-Brown wrote: Will do. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 28 23:42:19 2014 From: davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (David Collier-Brown) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 19:42:19 -0400 Subject: A test message, please ignore In-Reply-To: <5335EACF.9000108-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <5335BC35.80701@rogers.com> <5335EACF.9000108@rogers.com> Message-ID: <533608DB.6050206@rogers.com> Thanks, you just confirmed my kludge worked (:-)) --dave On 03/28/2014 05:34 PM, James Knott wrote: > David Collier-Brown wrote: > > Will do. ;-) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org | -- Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 29 15:46:35 2014 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: See Giles / ad for next Repair Cafe' (April 12) Message-ID: -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 29 16:12:24 2014 From: jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 12:12:24 -0400 Subject: See Giles / ad for next Repair Cafe' (April 12) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5336F0E8.9090607@yaknet.ca> On 14-03-29 11:46 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > Now that's a helpful organization. I'm always saying to people the 3Rs are in order of priority. Maybe it should be 4Rs so repair can be added? If I was a zealot I might say Giles didn't fix that laptop ;-) Seems like a worthy organization for me to donate time to. Thanks for posting. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 29 18:35:14 2014 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 14:35:14 -0400 Subject: See Giles / ad for next Repair Cafe' (April 12) In-Reply-To: <5336F0E8.9090607-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <5336F0E8.9090607@yaknet.ca> Message-ID: On 29 March 2014 12:12, John wrote: > On 14-03-29 11:46 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> < http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=dda1cb3ab2ef0e701592d69f1&id=ea453f5740&e=e28612dc9e > >> > Now that's a helpful organization. I'm always saying to people the 3Rs are in order of priority. Maybe it should be 4Rs so repair can be added? > > If I was a zealot I might say Giles didn't fix that laptop ;-) > > Seems like a worthy organization for me to donate time to. Thanks for posting. Well, now that that's out there ... Repair Cafe fixes a lot more than computers. But obviously that's my area of expertise and the list's area of interest ... I would say about half our computer "fixes" are explaining to people that the computer they've brought in is too old to spend the money on parts to fix it. The better instances are where we can tell them that they can keep using the computer by attaching an external screen/mouse/keyboard/power supply. The best of course are when we can fix the thing entirely - witness two happy people in the picture Hugh advertised ... I remember her, I'm not sure I remember "the fix," although I suspect it was fairly trivial (by my standards, not hers). It's one of the many joys of Repair Cafe: you get to feel like a sorcerer, because what you do looks like magic to the majority of people who bring in busted pieces of technology. It's a great crew of people and a very fun job. Repair Cafe can always use more volunteer fixers if you have the time, the skills, and the inclination. Four hours (plus travel) once a month, or when you can. Get in touch with me if you have any questions, or you can contact the organizers through the website at http://repaircafetoronto.ca/contact/ . Or just come check it out if you're not sure - it's free. If you have anything busted - clothing, household goods, computers, floor polishers, clocks, whatever, we'll have a go at fixing it. The next Repair Cafe is at the Toronto Tool Library, 1803 Danforth Ave, on Saturday April 12 from 11 to 3. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: