From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  2 15:36:40 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 11:36:40 -0400
Subject: HP's The Machine kicks Microsoft to the curb in favor of
 Linux - TechRepublic (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1406230003420.20311-zb/h1I55lmemYXyjjU2hqtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
References: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1406230003420.20311@redclaw.mimosa.com>
Message-ID: <20140702153640.GR17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:04:06AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> You need to break down "they".  HP's goals and Intel's goals appeared
> to be different.  And goals evolved.
> 
> In the beginning, it was an HP project to replace their PA-RISC
> architecture with a big new idea: VLIW.  They decided that they could
> not do the whole job, including fabrication, and partnered with Intel.
> Intel was always #1 in process engineering (making silicon fast).
> 
> Intel appeared to have a different goals: to (eventually) replace x86
> with something in which they could keep out other suppliers (AMD,
> NatSemi, ...).  And to have a seriously performant entry in the
> workstation and server races.
> 
> Besides, x86 was crufty.  Extending an architecture too many times is
> difficult.  The rule of thumb is that you can do it once well (see
> Bell and Newell).  8008 -> 8080 -> 8086 -> 80286 -> i386 was already
> pushing it.

4004?  80186?  8085?

> Worse was the historical baggage from the IPM PC and PC/AT.  Remember,
> EFI came out of the Itanium project.  Look how long it has taken to
> land.
> 
> I have a lot of respect for some amazing folks who worked on Itanium
> in the early days (Muchnick (HP), Fisher (ex-Multiflow), Rau
> (ex-Cydrome), etc).  Compiler technology was crucial.
> 
> Many ambitious projects fail.  Some have the goalposts adjusted.
> Failing fast is often a blessing.  The Itanium has suffered from an
> extremely long failure -- 20+ years!

Well someone kept throwing money at it for some reason.

It did succeed at one goal.  It killed a number of better CPU designs.

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From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 10 17:17:42 2014
From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:17:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: bargain ThinkPad t530i (fwd)
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1407101316530.19935@redclaw.mimosa.com>

I sent this 12 hours ago and it hasn't shown up.

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To: Toronto Linux Users Group <tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org>
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 01:22:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: bargain ThinkPad t530i

Canada Computers is selling these what I think is a great price
<http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_664_665&item_id=070096>

Good points:

- $449.88 (went down from $500 a few days ago)

- serious ThinkPad line (heavy, solid, Linux supported on it, possible to 
  service guts, trackpoint, nice keyboard)

- 1920 x 1080 display

- 3 year warranty

- room for mSATA (or WLAN) card inside.

Not quite so good:

- no WiFi, Bluetooth, or webcam

- only i3-3110M processor (not Haswell); no extra video hardware
  unlike real t530 models

- only a small slow HDD

- a little old (as indicated by bundled Win 7)

My fanciful guess: these were originally built for spooks, thus the lack 
of leaky peripherals.

I bought one of these (a few weeks ago, at the Grand Opening of the CC on 
Yonge near Eglinton ($400).  I have ordered WiFi and Bluetooth bits from 
China (~$50 total).  Note: the BIOS whitelists these cards so you've got 
to get ones designed for the ThinkPad.

More discussion here:
<http://forums.redflagdeals.com/lenovo-thinkpad-t530-2394-bk4-1503911/>
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 10 17:49:59 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:49:59 -0400
Subject: bargain ThinkPad t530i (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1407101316530.19935-zb/h1I55lmemYXyjjU2hqtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
References: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1407101316530.19935@redclaw.mimosa.com>
Message-ID: <20140710174959.GS17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 01:17:42PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> I sent this 12 hours ago and it hasn't shown up.
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org>
> To: Toronto Linux Users Group <tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org>
> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 01:22:40 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: bargain ThinkPad t530i
> 
> Canada Computers is selling these what I think is a great price
> <http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_664_665&item_id=070096>
> 
> Good points:
> 
> - $449.88 (went down from $500 a few days ago)
> 
> - serious ThinkPad line (heavy, solid, Linux supported on it, possible to 
>   service guts, trackpoint, nice keyboard)
> 
> - 1920 x 1080 display

So the good screen but a super low end cpu and no wifi.  How odd.

> - 3 year warranty
> 
> - room for mSATA (or WLAN) card inside.
> 
> Not quite so good:
> 
> - no WiFi, Bluetooth, or webcam

Very odd.

Adding an intel 6300 should be quite nice.

> - only i3-3110M processor (not Haswell); no extra video hardware
>   unlike real t530 models

The t530 could be ordered without nvidia graphics.

> - only a small slow HDD
> 
> - a little old (as indicated by bundled Win 7)

Better than coming with windows 8.  And it is win7pro 64bit.

> My fanciful guess: these were originally built for spooks, thus the lack 
> of leaky peripherals.

Looks like it was made to be cheap except for the high res screen.

Of course the redflagdeals forum seems to indicate the screen spec is
wrong and should be 1600x900 which is a lot less impressive.  Some do
seem to say they bought one from CC and it was 1920x1080.

Certainly some of the specs are wrong.  It says it has HDMI, which
is wrong.  The T530 has VGA and mini displayport (an adapter to HDMI
isn't very expensive though).  Consumer models have HDMI, business models
have displayport (which is much more powerful but less convinient for
a home user perhaps).

> I bought one of these (a few weeks ago, at the Grand Opening of the CC on 
> Yonge near Eglinton ($400).  I have ordered WiFi and Bluetooth bits from 
> China (~$50 total).  Note: the BIOS whitelists these cards so you've got 
> to get ones designed for the ThinkPad.
> 
> More discussion here:
> <http://forums.redflagdeals.com/lenovo-thinkpad-t530-2394-bk4-1503911/>

Like it so far?

I like my W530 but that's a different level of machine.

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From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 14 23:16:26 2014
From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 19:16:26 -0400
Subject: SSD sector specifications issues
In-Reply-To: <CAE9rU+6SF+ZhWmrsWTA_EPFGGN-fujQJ0SxtpUwRYFygdYWXDw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <CAE9rU+6SF+ZhWmrsWTA_EPFGGN-fujQJ0SxtpUwRYFygdYWXDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE9rU+4uwfu=5AF24kqhA+RojjCWYCp9s0=vmKNnNmH1Cf4Nbw@mail.gmail.com>

Evening,

I have a system running on INTEL SSDSC2BA40 drives and unfortunately its
not doing well performance wise. I also don't have physical access and on
top of that, its running vmware which doesn't do a good job like Linux in
querying hardware specifications.

So I have been forced to use Google in trying to find the size of its
physical sector. Nothing worth reading seem to show up on Google.
Disappointed that Intel haven't done a good job documenting it.

Anyone have one of these drives directly hosting a Linux installation?
Would be grateful if you can share the output of hdparm from this drive.

The system is currently using 512 sectors, but I suspect the SSD native
sectors are 4096.

Thanks in advance.

William
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From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 16 05:19:57 2014
From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 01:19:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: bargain ThinkPad t530i (fwd)
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1407160119320.26461@redclaw.mimosa.com>

resending again after 4 more days.

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To: Toronto Linux Users Group <tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org>
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 03:08:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: bargain ThinkPad t530i (fwd)

resending again because neither of previous ones showed up after another 
16 hours.

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From: D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org>
To: Toronto Linux Users Group <tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org>
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 11:01:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: bargain ThinkPad t530i (fwd)

Resending because this didn't show up after 12 hours.

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From: D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org>
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 22:16:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: bargain ThinkPad t530i (fwd)

| From: Lennart Sorensen <lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org>

| On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 01:17:42PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:

| The t530 could be ordered without nvidia graphics.

Oh.

The official box says T530i.  On the other hand, online lists don't
seem to include my model.  And Lenovo support could not find an
official set of specs for it (that's abnormal).

| > - a little old (as indicated by bundled Win 7)
| 
| Better than coming with windows 8.  And it is win7pro 64bit.

I don't think that I care.  We'll see.

(In a different context, I am jealous of the fact that Win8.1 handles
touchscreens much better than desktop Linux distros.  Another boat
missed.)

| > My fanciful guess: these were originally built for spooks, thus the lack 
| > of leaky peripherals.
| 
| Looks like it was made to be cheap except for the high res screen.

And the 3 year warranty.

I think that the correct word in this case is "inexpensive".

| Of course the redflagdeals forum seems to indicate the screen spec is
| wrong and should be 1600x900 which is a lot less impressive.

Those posters are wrong.  But you cannot look up type 2394 bk4 to find
out for sure.

|  Some do
| seem to say they bought one from CC and it was 1920x1080.

I posted that.  I don't remember if others did too.

| Certainly some of the specs are wrong.  It says it has HDMI, which
| is wrong.  The T530 has VGA and mini displayport (an adapter to HDMI
| isn't very expensive though).

You are right.

I was surprised by the mini-DisplayPort since the T520 and W520 came
with full-sized DisplayPort.  Mind you, there are a lot more mini
cables available because that's what Apple uses.  (Mini-DP things
usually come in white and non-mini usually come in black.)

| Like it so far?

Yes.  I haven't used it a lot yet.

I had thought that the keyboard was supposed to have been downgraded
in the transition between *20 and the *30, but it seems good (one
change: no keys are blue).  I guess the keyboard changed in the *40.

The 1920x1080 resolution seems quite nice at 15.6".  More is nicer but
beyond that point it is not so much for packing more text on the
screen but for making the same text look better.

I really like the way you can get at the guts.  I sure wish there were
no whitelist in the "BIOS".

| I like my W530 but that's a different level of machine.

I think that the framework is the same.  But I imagine you have a quad
core i7 and thus 4 memory slots (32G!).  You also have nVidia Optimus
graphics.  Not yet well supported by Linux, as far as I know, but with
"manual transmission", you can choose between a fair bit of GPU power
or energy efficiency.

I think of these ThinkPads as the ultimate serious Linux notebooks.
Not always the best choice, but wonders none-the-less.

The large and serious Linux userbase is valuable too.
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From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 17 13:11:34 2014
From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 08:11:34 -0500
Subject: Error (18625): 12170 extraneous bytes after segment
Message-ID: <CAPik5MyLOVdtT3vXLJakFONrsq1Zoz4H+d-vn7TVUk1E=cCoGQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is kind of odd. Is it related to an OCR scan of a document?
Here's how it happened.

I started dropbox manually. As a practice I don't start it
automatically on login. In this instance it starts on command and I
get my prompt back, but then this happens.

thorn at LOKI:~$ /usr/bin/dropbox start
Starting Dropbox...Dropbox isn't running!
Done!
thorn at LOKI:~$ Error (18625): 12170 extraneous bytes after segment
Error (18625): 12170 extraneous bytes after segment

What I see on the net about this error is that it relates to embedded
media in PDF files, usually sound content.  I don't understand the
parsing error as this was just a dropbox file transfer.

What I had done was use tesseract and hocr2pdf to create a text
searchable PDF from a scanned document. I did this yesterday as a
process in the background and sent the output to my dropbox folder.
It's about 30 full pages and takes somewhere between a half hour to an
hour to render.Today when I synced I got the error.

Also it didn't start instantly. I got the prompt back and switched to
an application and when I went back to the terminal it was outputting
this line over and over again.

Does anybody have any idea what's going on?

Thanks
Russell
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From davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 17 15:16:54 2014
From: davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (David Collier-Brown)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:16:54 -0400
Subject: A colleague of mine is looking for a good sysadmin
Message-ID: <53C7E8E6.20000@rogers.com>

He's Ijaaz Ullah <iullah-dP7kVsLeQlozYkmqZtE9QwC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org> at Nightingale MD and the
job is a Linux sysadmin. They're in Markham, near Sun's old office at
Buttonville Airport (Woodbine near Valleywood)

The platform is Linux, Apache, Jetty and PostgreSQL, nice and modern,
rather like what we have at my work at Virgin (World) Gaming.

The business is electronic medical records and everything that
accompanies them. That's a business area that is growing nicely these
days and that looks sound to me (I've followed the area since my
SSHA/ehealth days), so I can recommend it.

I've attached the classic long description below. Apologies for the
slightly markety language, I didn't write it (;-))


--dave

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> fastest growing health care software companies in North America,
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> 28th on Canada?s Deloitte Technology Fast 50. Nightingale is
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From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 17 15:51:38 2014
From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:51:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: SSD sector specifications issues (fwd)
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1407171151050.3479@redclaw.mimosa.com>

resending AGAIN.

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To: Toronto Linux Users Group <tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org>
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:34:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: SSD sector specifications issues (fwd)

resending because this hasn't yet shown up.

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To: TLUG mailing list <tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org>
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 20:29:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: SSD sector specifications issues

| From: William Muriithi <william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>

| The system is currently using 512 sectors, but I suspect the SSD native
| sectors are 4096.

What's slow: write or read?

The concept of sector as we know it is somewhat faked on NAND flash.
One related concept is the unit in which things can be erased.  I
don't know what those are but I imagine things in the megabyte range.
But I don't think you need to be aware of it.

You can use hdparm -I to find out the logical and physical sector
sizes (unless the drive lies).

SSDs can be helped by using the trim feature.  The command fstrim will
do it, or a mount option.  This only helps writes.
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From bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 18 01:36:19 2014
From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:36:19 -0400
Subject: Torontocrypto Cryptoparty on Sunday, 20 July 2014
Message-ID: <53C87A13.4020201@sobac.com>

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Hi all: I don't think I've spammed the list with this yet...  Sadly, I
am unable to go, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't.

- --Bob.


=====
http://torontocrypto.org

Upcoming Event
2pm on July 20th 2014 @ CSI Spadina

215 Spadina Avenue, Toronto, Ontario
Map:
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Register: https://guestlistapp.com/events/267834


We're hosting our first event. We'll set up small workshops each with
an instructor that you can jump between.

Topics that will be covered:

    Disk Encryption (Diskcryptor)
    Email encryption (PGP)
    Mobile phone privacy (Orbot/Orweb, Redphone, Textsecure)
    TOR Browser (Safe browsing habits)


How it works

This event is free and open to the public. Our CryptoParty will aim to
educate users (our 'visitors') utilizing intuitive privacy
applications for their communications. Specifically PGP (email), Tor
Browser (web), Textsecure (SMS), Diskcryptor (Full Disk / Files),
Redphone (3G/CDMA) and Orbot/Orweb(mobile web).

One station per communication channel (email or phone/sms/IM etc) will
be setup with each station manned by a TorontoCrypto volunteer. Each
station will have two pieces of documentation with it: a guide on the
communication channel's varying degrees of danger to security and a
list of tasks to help walkthrough the use of the privacy application.
=====


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From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 19 03:14:54 2014
From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 23:14:54 -0400
Subject: Any recommended small cheap tablets?  Approx 6 or 7 inches.
Message-ID: <20140719031454.GA32492@waltdnes.org>

  I'm not looking to replace my desktop or cellphone.  I'm more
interested in something that I can carry around to use as a...
* camera (movies+stills)
* wifi web browsing
* e-reader
* jotting down small notes

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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 19 11:36:59 2014
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 07:36:59 -0400
Subject: Any recommended small cheap tablets?  Approx 6 or 7 inches.
In-Reply-To: <20140719031454.GA32492-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
References: <20140719031454.GA32492@waltdnes.org>
Message-ID: <53CA585B.5040502@rogers.com>

On 07/18/2014 11:14 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
>   I'm not looking to replace my desktop or cellphone.  I'm more
> interested in something that I can carry around to use as a...
> * camera (movies+stills)
> * wifi web browsing
> * e-reader
> * jotting down small notes
>

I have a Google Nexus 7 that works well.  One thing to bear in mind
about "cheap" is you only get what you pay.
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From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 19 14:28:40 2014
From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 10:28:40 -0400
Subject: Any recommended small cheap tablets?  Approx 6 or 7
 inches.
In-Reply-To: <53CA585B.5040502-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <20140719031454.GA32492@waltdnes.org>
 <53CA585B.5040502@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <20140719142840.GA1507@waltdnes.org>

On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 07:36:59AM -0400, James Knott wrote
> On 07/18/2014 11:14 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> >   I'm not looking to replace my desktop or cellphone.  I'm more
> > interested in something that I can carry around to use as a...
> > * camera (movies+stills)
> > * wifi web browsing
> > * e-reader
> > * jotting down small notes
> >
> 
> I have a Google Nexus 7 that works well.  One thing to bear in mind
> about "cheap" is you only get what you pay.

  When I said "cheap", I meant relative to $600 "iToys".

  I checked the Nexus at TigerDirect's web page.  It's $249 with 32 gigs
of storage, but apparently has only a front-facing camera.  For the same
price, Asus has an 8" unit with 1.2 mp front and 5 mp rear cameras.  I'm
willing to pay extra to bump up the storage, but I do want the camera.
The Nexus ad mentions 4G (cellular?) but I don't need it.  The Nexus has
v4.1 Android, and the Asus 8" hs v4.2.  BTW, Asus actually manufactures
both tablets.  Both have 1280x800 screens.

  In terms of feature sets, the Asus 8" model is a better fit for me.
The only negative is that the Nexus has a couple of standard USB 3
ports, while the Asus 8" ad only mentions micro-USB.  But I already have
a couple of micro-USB adaptors, so that's not an issue.

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From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 19 14:31:31 2014
From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 10:31:31 -0400
Subject: Fwd: What's Wrong With the List?
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Resending to see if it makes it this time.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	What's Wrong With the List?
Date: 	Wed, 16 Jul 2014 09:49:24 -0400
From: 	John Moniz <john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org>
To: 	tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org



I'm only receiving the rare post. When I saw Hugh's many attempts at
posting a reply, I figured it's more than just me.

John.



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From lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 19 14:33:18 2014
From: lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Digimer)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 10:33:18 -0400
Subject: Fwd: What's Wrong With the List?
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My reply to Walter re: tablets didn't make it, either.

On 19/07/14 10:31 AM, John Moniz wrote:
> Resending to see if it makes it this time.
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	What's Wrong With the List?
> Date: 	Wed, 16 Jul 2014 09:49:24 -0400
> From: 	John Moniz <john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org>
> To: 	tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
>
>
>
> I'm only receiving the rare post. When I saw Hugh's many attempts at
> posting a reply, I figured it's more than just me.
>
> John.
>
>
>


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From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 19 14:58:23 2014
From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 10:58:23 -0400
Subject: Any recommended small cheap tablets?  Approx 6 or 7
 inches.
In-Reply-To: <20140719142840.GA1507-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
References: <20140719031454.GA32492@waltdnes.org>
 <53CA585B.5040502@rogers.com>
 <20140719142840.GA1507@waltdnes.org>
Message-ID: <20140719145823.GA9044@amber>

On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:28:40AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
 
>   I checked the Nexus at TigerDirect's web page.  It's $249 with 32 gigs
> of storage, but apparently has only a front-facing camera.  For the same
> price, Asus has an 8" unit with 1.2 mp front and 5 mp rear cameras.  I'm
> willing to pay extra to bump up the storage, but I do want the camera.
> The Nexus ad mentions 4G (cellular?) but I don't need it.  The Nexus has
> v4.1 Android, and the Asus 8" hs v4.2.  BTW, Asus actually manufactures
> both tablets.  Both have 1280x800 screens.

You may have gotten the specs for the older version of the Nexus 7; you want
to check out the so-called "second generation" (2013) release.  I have that 
one, and it has a 1900x1200 screen, a front-facing 1.2mp camera and a rear-
facing 5.0mp camera, optional G4 cellular connectivity (costs more and I do
not have it), and currently it's running Android 4.4.4 which is, I believe,
the current release.  Cost is about $270 CAN but can be found cheaper here
and there.  It is, as you note, manufactured by Asus.

I don't use the camera much, but it makes a great ereader (I replaced my
Kobo with it) and a very capable tablet: streams Netflix fine, with the
quad-core Snapdragon it's fast and responsive.  The only real downside is
that the storage isn't expandable.  You can plug in a USB device to be read
as a media source, but not as general storage, which is annoying.

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From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 19 19:52:28 2014
From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:52:28 -0400
Subject: Any recommended small cheap tablets?  Approx 6 or 7 inches.
In-Reply-To: <20140719031454.GA32492-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
References: <20140719031454.GA32492@waltdnes.org>
Message-ID: <53CACC7C.2010104@ve3syb.ca>

On 14-07-18 11:14 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
>    I'm not looking to replace my desktop or cellphone.  I'm more
> interested in something that I can carry around to use as a...
> * camera (movies+stills)
> * wifi web browsing
> * e-reader
> * jotting down small notes

There are quite a few inexpensive Android tablets available. Best Buy has 
some for as low as $59 but that may be too low end for you. I recently 
picked up an ASUS ME173 tablet from Best Buy for a family member. Original 
price was $160 but it was an open box item and marked down (twice) so it had 
a $130 sticker on it. I managed to get it for with a 2 year extended 
warranty for $170 (taxes included).

The ME173 runs Android 4.2, has a screen of 1280x800, 1.2MP front camera, 
and 5MP rear facing camera. Earlier in the year I picked up the ME172 which 
has similar specs but just a front facing camera. You can get tablets with 
more recent versions of Android or higher resolution screens.

I didn't want to spend a ton of money on a tablet as I wasn't sure what I 
would use it for at first but had ideas of using it around the workbench. I 
have no complaints about it (although I seem to run the batteries down 
quickly). You may find the tablet good enough for your stated uses.

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From nickkrause-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 20 04:12:04 2014
From: nickkrause-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Nick Krause)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 04:12:04 +0000
Subject: bargain ThinkPad t530i (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1407160119320.26461-zb/h1I55lmemYXyjjU2hqtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
References: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1407160119320.26461@redclaw.mimosa.com>
Message-ID: <SNT151-W5199CE345C33375C5CED43A5F30@phx.gbl>

Hey all? Optimus is supported very well under Linux of late.
Nick 

> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 01:19:57 -0400
> From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org
> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: bargain ThinkPad t530i (fwd)
> 
> resending again after 4 more days.
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org>
> To: Toronto Linux Users Group <tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org>
> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 03:08:02 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: bargain ThinkPad t530i (fwd)
> 
> resending again because neither of previous ones showed up after another 
> 16 hours.
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org>
> To: Toronto Linux Users Group <tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org>
> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 11:01:56 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: bargain ThinkPad t530i (fwd)
> 
> Resending because this didn't show up after 12 hours.
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org>
> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 22:16:41 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: bargain ThinkPad t530i (fwd)
> 
> | From: Lennart Sorensen <lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org>
> 
> | On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 01:17:42PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> 
> | The t530 could be ordered without nvidia graphics.
> 
> Oh.
> 
> The official box says T530i.  On the other hand, online lists don't
> seem to include my model.  And Lenovo support could not find an
> official set of specs for it (that's abnormal).
> 
> |> - a little old (as indicated by bundled Win 7)
> | 
> | Better than coming with windows 8.  And it is win7pro 64bit.
> 
> I don't think that I care.  We'll see.
> 
> (In a different context, I am jealous of the fact that Win8.1 handles
> touchscreens much better than desktop Linux distros.  Another boat
> missed.)
> 
> |> My fanciful guess: these were originally built for spooks, thus the lack 
> |> of leaky peripherals.
> | 
> | Looks like it was made to be cheap except for the high res screen.
> 
> And the 3 year warranty.
> 
> I think that the correct word in this case is "inexpensive".
> 
> | Of course the redflagdeals forum seems to indicate the screen spec is
> | wrong and should be 1600x900 which is a lot less impressive.
> 
> Those posters are wrong.  But you cannot look up type 2394 bk4 to find
> out for sure.
> 
> |  Some do
> | seem to say they bought one from CC and it was 1920x1080.
> 
> I posted that.  I don't remember if others did too.
> 
> | Certainly some of the specs are wrong.  It says it has HDMI, which
> | is wrong.  The T530 has VGA and mini displayport (an adapter to HDMI
> | isn't very expensive though).
> 
> You are right.
> 
> I was surprised by the mini-DisplayPort since the T520 and W520 came
> with full-sized DisplayPort.  Mind you, there are a lot more mini
> cables available because that's what Apple uses.  (Mini-DP things
> usually come in white and non-mini usually come in black.)
> 
> | Like it so far?
> 
> Yes.  I haven't used it a lot yet.
> 
> I had thought that the keyboard was supposed to have been downgraded
> in the transition between *20 and the *30, but it seems good (one
> change: no keys are blue).  I guess the keyboard changed in the *40.
> 
> The 1920x1080 resolution seems quite nice at 15.6".  More is nicer but
> beyond that point it is not so much for packing more text on the
> screen but for making the same text look better.
> 
> I really like the way you can get at the guts.  I sure wish there were
> no whitelist in the "BIOS".
> 
> | I like my W530 but that's a different level of machine.
> 
> I think that the framework is the same.  But I imagine you have a quad
> core i7 and thus 4 memory slots (32G!).  You also have nVidia Optimus
> graphics.  Not yet well supported by Linux, as far as I know, but with
> "manual transmission", you can choose between a fair bit of GPU power
> or energy efficiency.
> 
> I think of these ThinkPads as the ultimate serious Linux notebooks.
> Not always the best choice, but wonders none-the-less.
> 
> The large and serious Linux userbase is valuable too.
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From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 20 19:50:42 2014
From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 15:50:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Any recommended small cheap tablets?  Approx 6 or 7
 inches.
In-Reply-To: <20140719031454.GA32492-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
References: <20140719031454.GA32492@waltdnes.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1407201536350.17608@redclaw.mimosa.com>

| From: Walter Dnes <waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org>

|   I'm not looking to replace my desktop or cellphone.  I'm more
| interested in something that I can carry around to use as a...
| * camera (movies+stills)
| * wifi web browsing
| * e-reader
| * jotting down small notes

It *really* depends on what you find is convenient to carry around.

I find it really hard to know if one of these works for me without
actually living with one for a while.

I like my Nexus 10 (10") tablet but it rarely makes sense to carry it
outside the house.  I feel that more use-cases are handled by a small
notebook and the size difference/weight difference isn't enough of a
win for the Nexus 10.

Even 7" tablets are too big for my pockets in Summer.

I have not become fluent in typing on a screen so jotting down small
notes would not be great.  Samsung Note tablets have accurate and
precise styli that MIGHT make note-taking work better (I've never
found that, but I haven't tried hard enough).

Many people swear by Microsoft OneNote.  A version is available for
Android.

Add-on keyboards mostly look awkward.  I did see a really neat-looking
iPad Mini + keyboard-case combo on the subway.

So: why isn't a phablet (largish smartphone) the right tradeoff for
you?

The Nexus 7 tablet, second generation, looks great for what it is.
That's what I'd pick if I wanted that kind of thing.  Look at Red Flag
Deals for what the latest best deal is (Staples, I think).

The Samsung Note 8 is being blown out by Target at 50% off.  If you
can find one, that might be a good choice.  I haven't looked into it.
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 20 21:14:36 2014
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:14:36 -0400
Subject: Any recommended small cheap tablets?  Approx 6 or 7 inches.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1407201536350.17608-zb/h1I55lmemYXyjjU2hqtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
References: <20140719031454.GA32492@waltdnes.org> <alpine.LRH.2.02.1407201536350.17608@redclaw.mimosa.com>
Message-ID: <53CC313C.5080606@rogers.com>

On 07/20/2014 03:50 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> I like my Nexus 10 (10") tablet but it rarely makes sense to carry it
> outside the house.  I feel that more use-cases are handled by a small
> notebook and the size difference/weight difference isn't enough of a
> win for the Nexus 10.
>
> Even 7" tablets are too big for my pockets in Summer.

I have a 7", which I frequently take with me, either in my computer bag
or loose.  There are times, however, when a larger one would be better
for reading some items.  On the other hand, I think a tablet is too
large for taking pictures.  A smart phone is more convenient for that.

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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 20 22:28:59 2014
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:28:59 -0400
Subject: Fwd: What's Wrong With the List?
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Message-ID: <53CC42AB.707@rogers.com>

On 07/19/2014 10:33 AM, Digimer wrote:
> My reply to Walter re: tablets didn't make it, either.

Let me know if you don't get this message.  ;-)

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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 20 22:29:36 2014
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:29:36 -0400
Subject: Fwd: What's Wrong With the List?
In-Reply-To: <53CAD180.90008-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <53C682E4.4070909@sympatico.ca> <BLU436-SMTP643B240C5ABB81C9DCF745E3F20@phx.gbl> <53CAD180.90008@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <53CC42D0.8080707@rogers.com>

On 07/19/2014 04:13 PM, James Knott wrote:
> On 07/19/2014 10:31 AM, John Moniz wrote:
>> I'm only receiving the rare post. When I saw Hugh's many attempts at 
>> posting a reply, I figured it's more than just me.
> The list seemed to be down for a while recently.
>

It still seems to be (pardon the technical jargon) flakey.

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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 20 22:28:42 2014
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:28:42 -0400
Subject: Any recommended small cheap tablets?  Approx 6 or 7 inches.
In-Reply-To: <53CACC7C.2010104-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
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On 07/19/2014 03:52 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote:
> There are quite a few inexpensive Android tablets available. Best Buy
> has some for as low as $59 but that may be too low end for you. I
> recently picked up an ASUS ME173 tablet from Best Buy for a family
> member. Original price was $160 but it was an open box item and marked
> down (twice) so it had a $130 sticker on it. I managed to get it for
> with a 2 year extended warranty for $170 (taxes included).

If he wants to take pictures with it, he may find picture quality is
proportional to price.

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From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 21 01:07:11 2014
From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 21:07:11 -0400
Subject: Any recommended small cheap tablets?  Approx 6 or 7
 inches.
In-Reply-To: <53CACC7C.2010104-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
References: <20140719031454.GA32492@waltdnes.org>
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On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 03:52:28PM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote

> The ME173 runs Android 4.2, has a screen of 1280x800, 1.2MP front
> camera, and 5MP rear facing camera. Earlier in the year I picked up
> the ME172 which has similar specs but just a front facing camera. You
> can get tablets with more recent versions of Android or higher
> resolution screens.
> 
> I didn't want to spend a ton of money on a tablet as I wasn't sure
> what I would use it for at first but had ideas of using it around
> the workbench. I have no complaints about it (although I seem to
> run the batteries down quickly). You may find the tablet good enough
> for your stated uses.

  This looks like what I want.  It'll be "My First Tablet"<G> so if it
doesn't pan out, I won't have thrown away that much money.  Very
interesting.

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From mwilson-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 21 03:18:49 2014
From: mwilson-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 23:18:49 -0400
Subject: Any recommended small cheap tablets?  Approx 6 or 7
 inches.
In-Reply-To: <20140721010711.GA8627-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
References: <20140719031454.GA32492@waltdnes.org>
	 <53CACC7C.2010104@ve3syb.ca> <20140721010711.GA8627@waltdnes.org>
Message-ID: <1405912729.4301.1.camel@tecumseth5.mounteagle.lan>

On Sun, 2014-07-20 at 21:07 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 03:52:28PM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote
> 
> > The ME173 runs Android 4.2, has a screen of 1280x800, 1.2MP front
> > camera, and 5MP rear facing camera. Earlier in the year I picked up
> > the ME172 which has similar specs but just a front facing camera. You
> > can get tablets with more recent versions of Android or higher
> > resolution screens.
> > 
> > I didn't want to spend a ton of money on a tablet as I wasn't sure
> > what I would use it for at first but had ideas of using it around
> > the workbench. I have no complaints about it (although I seem to
> > run the batteries down quickly). You may find the tablet good enough
> > for your stated uses.
> 
>   This looks like what I want.  It'll be "My First Tablet"<G> so if it
> doesn't pan out, I won't have thrown away that much money.  Very
> interesting.

I got one at Future Shop in Oshawa/Whitby for about that price.  Mainly
have just downloaded and read ebooks on it so far, but have photographed
a few book pages and what not.  Seems to work well.

	Mel.


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From sam.sidd-CZK690njTpI at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 21 10:39:43 2014
From: sam.sidd-CZK690njTpI at public.gmane.org (Sam S)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:39:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Any recommended small cheap tablets?  Approx 6 or 7 inches.
In-Reply-To: <20140719031454.GA32492-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
References: <20140719031454.GA32492@waltdnes.org>
Message-ID: <8D172E737953F77-854-EBAA@webmail-vm002.sysops.aol.com>

I'm in a similar position.

Here's my experience / research so far:

With me being a stereotypically poor, starving student (though looks may suggest the opposite of starvation), I've been looking at *cheap* tablets for quite some time. All of the cheaper ones hover between $100 and $200, but I have yet to come across an amazing deal. Additionally, I personally can't imagine note-taking to be a whole lot of fun with a tablet, so a keyboard is a must.

I know the target here is a tablet, but if it's at all possible, I would consider a Chromebook. 

Acer has a good line with Intel processors (easier to tweak than ARM from what I've read). I would go with the ones that have 4GB RAM. The 2GB models just don't have enough "oomph".
They can last 8-10 hours on a single charge, you can open them up and upgrade the built-in SSD (caution: will void warranty), and throw a version of Linux on there to run alongside the ChromeOS. Most people have installed Ubuntu on Chromebooks, but I suppose another distro could work. I'd throw a lightweight distro on there and watch it fly. 
That's what I've gathered from my research so far. Just on the hunt for a good deal to come by.

Hope that helps.
  

 - Sam Sidd




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  I'm not looking to replace my desktop or cellphone.  I'm more 
interested in something that I can carry around to use as a... 
* camera (movies+stills) 
* wifi web browsing 
* e-reader 
* jotting down small notes 
 
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 22 20:18:59 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 16:18:59 -0400
Subject: SSD sector specifications issues
In-Reply-To: <CAE9rU+4uwfu=5AF24kqhA+RojjCWYCp9s0=vmKNnNmH1Cf4Nbw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <20140722201859.GU17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 07:16:26PM -0400, William Muriithi wrote:
> Evening,
> 
> I have a system running on INTEL SSDSC2BA40 drives and unfortunately its
> not doing well performance wise. I also don't have physical access and on
> top of that, its running vmware which doesn't do a good job like Linux in
> querying hardware specifications.
> 
> So I have been forced to use Google in trying to find the size of its
> physical sector. Nothing worth reading seem to show up on Google.
> Disappointed that Intel haven't done a good job documenting it.
> 
> Anyone have one of these drives directly hosting a Linux installation?
> Would be grateful if you can share the output of hdparm from this drive.
> 
> The system is currently using 512 sectors, but I suspect the SSD native
> sectors are 4096.

More likely 64KB these days as far as I know.

And ext* tends to default to 4KB block sizes, so the sector size is
not important.

There are reasons partitions are aligned on 1MB these days.  SSD nand
block sizes will most likely just keep getting larger after all.

If your partitions are NOT aligned to a nice power of 2 though you could
really be annoying the SSD.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 22 20:10:59 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 16:10:59 -0400
Subject: bargain ThinkPad t530i (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1407160119320.26461-zb/h1I55lmemYXyjjU2hqtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <20140722201058.GT17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 01:19:57AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
[snip a bit that I had no more comments on]
> I was surprised by the mini-DisplayPort since the T520 and W520 came
> with full-sized DisplayPort.  Mind you, there are a lot more mini
> cables available because that's what Apple uses.  (Mini-DP things
> usually come in white and non-mini usually come in black.)

Certainly mini-DP adapters are quite easy to find now because of the Mac.
And take less space on the case.

> I had thought that the keyboard was supposed to have been downgraded
> in the transition between *20 and the *30, but it seems good (one
> change: no keys are blue).  I guess the keyboard changed in the *40.

I like the keyboard on my W530 for sure.  It is as far as I know quite
different from the *20 line, but I don't think in a bad way.  Probably
some users disagreed.

> The 1920x1080 resolution seems quite nice at 15.6".  More is nicer but
> beyond that point it is not so much for packing more text on the
> screen but for making the same text look better.
> 
> I really like the way you can get at the guts.  I sure wish there were
> no whitelist in the "BIOS".

Yeah, although given I have an intel 6300 factory installed, the whitelist
hasn't been a problem for me.

> I think that the framework is the same.  But I imagine you have a quad
> core i7 and thus 4 memory slots (32G!).  You also have nVidia Optimus
> graphics.  Not yet well supported by Linux, as far as I know, but with
> "manual transmission", you can choose between a fair bit of GPU power
> or energy efficiency.

Yeah I can use the nvidia when wanted using the optirun or whatever the
command is.  I forget since I rarely do that.

The case is probably similar.  Not sure if the mainboard is mounted
differently to handle the extra memory slots under the keyboard or not.

I only have 24GB installed in mine at the moment.  Does make hibernate
and resume take a rather long time.  Just think what 100MB/s and 24000MB
ram means.

> I think of these ThinkPads as the ultimate serious Linux notebooks.
> Not always the best choice, but wonders none-the-less.
> 
> The large and serious Linux userbase is valuable too.

They do tend to be quite nice.

I am highly unimpressed by how bad the keyboard and pointing device is
on Dell business laptops.  Terrible junk.  I haven't seen an HP business
model lately so not sure how they are.

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From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 25 12:11:00 2014
From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:11:00 -0400
Subject: Fwd: What's Wrong With the List?
In-Reply-To: <53CC42D0.8080707-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <53C682E4.4070909@sympatico.ca> <BLU436-SMTP643B240C5ABB81C9DCF745E3F20@phx.gbl> <53CAD180.90008@rogers.com> <53CC42D0.8080707@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <53D24954.7000701@ss.org>

On 14-07-20 06:29 PM, James Knott wrote:
> On 07/19/2014 04:13 PM, James Knott wrote:
>> On 07/19/2014 10:31 AM, John Moniz wrote:
>>> I'm only receiving the rare post. When I saw Hugh's many attempts at
>>> posting a reply, I figured it's more than just me.
>> The list seemed to be down for a while recently.
>>
>
> It still seems to be (pardon the technical jargon) flakey.

This is known. What is also know is that the operator of the mail server 
for the list has some overzealous anti-spam configurations.

We're investigating the issues and possible remedies.

If anyone has a message that bounced, can you please forward me the
headers? Or if it's a matter of it not bouncing, but not arriving, 
please send me the date and time and sending address so that I can check 
the mail logs.


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From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 25 18:04:36 2014
From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:04:36 -0400
Subject: Fwd: What's Wrong With the List?
In-Reply-To: <53D24954.7000701-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org>
References: <53C682E4.4070909@sympatico.ca>
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 <53CC42D0.8080707@rogers.com>
 <53D24954.7000701@ss.org>
Message-ID: <20140725180436.GA29031@waltdnes.org>

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 08:11:00AM -0400, Scott Sullivan wrote
> On 14-07-20 06:29 PM, James Knott wrote:
> >
> > It still seems to be (pardon the technical jargon) flakey.
> 
> This is known. What is also know is that the operator of the mail server 
> for the list has some overzealous anti-spam configurations.

  A long time ago I found that if you have spf in your personal domain,
this list will only accept email that exactly matches.  So if I wanted
to send from my backup dialup account, I had to include that in spf.
And if/when Teksavvy moves its outbound MTA's around, that causes
problems sending email to this list.

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From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 26 21:55:54 2014
From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 17:55:54 -0400
Subject: Any recommended small cheap tablets?  Approx 6 or 7 inches.
In-Reply-To: <53CC429A.70100-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <20140719031454.GA32492@waltdnes.org> <53CACC7C.2010104@ve3syb.ca> <53CC429A.70100@rogers.com>
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On 14-07-20 06:28 PM, James Knott wrote:
> If he wants to take pictures with it, he may find picture quality is
> proportional to price.

Quality usually is related to price. The ME173 isn't bad with a 1.2MP front 
facing and 5MP rear facing camera. Good enough for video conferencing or 
taking pictures in a pinch and you don't have a separate camera available.

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From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 27 04:07:30 2014
From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 00:07:30 -0400
Subject: Any recommended small cheap tablets? Approx 6 or 7 inches.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1407201536350.17608-zb/h1I55lmemYXyjjU2hqtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
References: <20140719031454.GA32492@waltdnes.org> <alpine.LRH.2.02.1407201536350.17608@redclaw.mimosa.com>
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On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 3:50 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> wrote:
> | From: Walter Dnes <waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org>
>
> |   I'm not looking to replace my desktop or cellphone.  I'm more
> | interested in something that I can carry around to use as a...
> | * camera (movies+stills)
> | * wifi web browsing
> | * e-reader
> | * jotting down small notes
>
> It *really* depends on what you find is convenient to carry around.
<snip>
> The Samsung Note 8 is being blown out by Target at 50% off.  If you
> can find one, that might be a good choice.  I haven't looked into it.

It's a bit on the large size but not a bad unit overall.

The S Pen [1] is a nice touch though I didn't really find it useful
until coming across SketchBook [2] and Write [3].

The included S Note app has a handwriting-to-text feature that feels
clumsy and AFAIK is limited to the app. I haven't tried the
StylusMobile [4] app (requested permissions seem excessive) but it may
be an option if one needs handwriting as an input method.

[1] <http://techlife.samsung.com/top-10-apps-samsung-s-pen-1357.html>
[2] <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.adsk.sketchbookhd&hl=en>
[3] <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.styluslabs.write>
[4] <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.visionobjects.stylusmobile.v3_2_store>
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From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 31 01:05:44 2014
From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 21:05:44 -0400
Subject: Can files in gzipped tarballs be extracted without paths?
Message-ID: <20140731010544.GA17776@waltdnes.org>

  Situation;
* I download a *.tar.gz file
* I know that it has a tarred subdirectory containing a bunch of files
* I want the files in the subdirectory extracted directly to the current
  directory.

  E.g. if the tarball has subdirectory foo with files foo/file1,
foo/file2 foo/file2, etc, I want to be able to extract file1, file2, and
file3 directly.  Right now, I dive into the tarball with mc (Midnight
Commander), and "mark and copy" the files in the virtual file system.
unzip has the -j option to "junk" the directorie structure, and unzip
all files in the archive into one directory.  Is something similar
available with tar?

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From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 31 01:27:55 2014
From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 21:27:55 -0400
Subject: Can files in gzipped tarballs be extracted without paths?
In-Reply-To: <20140731010544.GA17776-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
References: <20140731010544.GA17776@waltdnes.org>
Message-ID: <53D99B9B.4060507@utoronto.ca>

On 2014-07-30 9:05 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
>   Situation;
> * I download a *.tar.gz file
> * I know that it has a tarred subdirectory containing a bunch of files
> * I want the files in the subdirectory extracted directly to the current
>   directory.
> 
>   E.g. if the tarball has subdirectory foo with files foo/file1,
> foo/file2 foo/file2, etc, I want to be able to extract file1, file2, and
> file3 directly.  Right now, I dive into the tarball with mc (Midnight
> Commander), and "mark and copy" the files in the virtual file system.
> unzip has the -j option to "junk" the directorie structure, and unzip
> all files in the archive into one directory.  Is something similar
> available with tar?

Try using --strip-components. You'd want to strip 1 leading component to
get all the files into your cwd.

If you want tar to extract to a directory you can use -C, for example:

tar xvzf your-tar-file.tar.gz --strip-components=1 -C /tmp/bar foo

You'd end up with file1, file2, file3 in /tmp/bar based on specifying
you only want to extract the foo directory, and that you want to strip
the first component of the path of the extracted file/directory.

Cheers, Jamon
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