From aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb  1 21:27:37 2014
From: aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aruna Hewapathirane)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 16:27:37 -0500
Subject: Linux Kernel Network Subsystem Patching
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<snip>
>I think about the cheapest you can do a new machine with the lowest
>components of everything is around $300 or so.  Uping that by another
>$100 probably close to doubles what you get.

Lennart, your estimate was spot on !

I just purchased a new system for $362.95 from Filtech
Computers<http://filtechcomputer.com/>( plus tax came to $410.00
overall )
A dual core Intel i3- 4130 3.4Ghz with 8 GB RAM.The motherboard is a ASUS
H81M-E ( again like you suggested ). The processor specs say it has 4
threads so am guessing if we hyperthread we can have the 2 cores + 2
logical cores ? Or is that a bad idea ?

They had many off-lease and re-certified systems but after much thought I
decided to go with the brand new motherboard + CPU + RAM even though it
cost more.

And I figured out ccache ( reading through Greg Kroah-Hartman's Linux
Kernel In A Nutshell <http://www.kroah.com/lkn/>  gave me the answer )
If you run:  make CC="ccache gcc" THEN it does kick in but I still get
weird errors like not a C/C++ file and unsupported compiler option . But at
least it is working sort of :)

I have a question will a 64bit system compile a kernel faster all other
things being equal ? My concern is this, I install a 64bit version of
Ubuntu and use that to compile and take full advantage of the bus width but
what about all the other applications we have come to depend on over the
years most of which are 32bit  ? Will they run ?

Thank's - Aruna



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From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb  1 23:50:16 2014
From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 18:50:16 -0500
Subject: Synergy war story
Message-ID: <CAEnxSC4HxhW-3k7-gqdkpianRagSgJhm3YZhV8sMPjBUOiQTkw@mail.gmail.com>

Not really a war story - this was just a minor skirmish.  May be of use to
Synergy users.  Includes an encryption question at the end.

I have two machines sitting side-by-side, one running Ubuntu Precise, the
other running Debian Jessie.  I decided to connect the displays with
Synergy (despite the problems I'm about to detail, it's a fantastic piece
of software if you're not aware of it, allows keyboard and mouse sharing
between almost any set of OSes you can name).

Having set up ~/.synergy.conf I ran:

   $ synergys -f

on the machine whose mouse and keyboard I wanted to use.  Then on the
client machine I ran:

   $ ssh -f -N -L 24800:desktop:24800 desktop
   $ synergyc -f localhost

at which point I got a message on that side: "WARNING: failed to connect to
server: incompatible client 1.3".  Further research revealed several
interesting details: Debian has synergy 1.4.12. Ubuntu Precise has synergy
1.3.8 installed, and nothing newer is available (someone has put 1.4.x in a
PPA, but I didn't want to go that route).  Synergy 1.4.x appears to finally
include encryption (after using it for six years I can finally stop using
that mind-bending backwards ssh connection?!).  So great, I go to synergy's
own website and get a .deb file of version 1.4.15 and install it.  First
problem: they built it without man pages.  So I used the man page included
with the Debian version, and work out that I wanted to run "synergys -f
--crypto-mode gcm --crypto-pass passwd" ... to which it responds
"Unrecognized option: --crypto-mode".  So there's the second problem: they
built it without encryption.

There appears to be a way to get Debian packages for Ubuntu.  I haven't
bothered: I don't love the ssh method, but it works and I know it's secure,
so I'll keep using that.

This brings me to my question: Debian's synergys man page details four
modes of encryption:

   ofb Output feedback mode.
   cfb Cipher feedback mode.
   ctr Counter mode.
   gcm Galois/Counter mode.

I know almost nothing about cryptography, but a cursory glance at Wikipedia
suggested to me that gcm was the best choice, and that ssh was considerably
better?  Am I totally off track?  Thoughts and recommendations appreciated.

-- 
Giles
http://www.gilesorr.com/
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From northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sun Feb  2 00:01:23 2014
From: northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Thornton)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 19:01:23 -0500
Subject: Linux Kernel Network Subsystem Patching
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But I think your missing the point of the question: "What is the effect of
hyperthreading versus multiple core, with respect to dead locks?". I think
the answer is nothing. From a dead lock perspective, it's the same problem
: O'Leary is dead and O'reily don't know it, O'reily is dead and O'Leary don't
know it ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZWpffswMnM ).  Two threads /
Processes depend on each-other to get something done,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadlock . It doesn't matter of those two
threads / process are in their own thread or core, they are still waiting
on each other.

David


On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Lennart Sorensen <
lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 04:26:24PM -0500, Bob Jonkman wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Is there a difference between hyperthreading and multithreading?
> >
> > (Not a snark -- I really don't know, and would like to...)
>
> Hyperthreading is one way to give you multiple hardware threads.
> Actual seperate cores is another way.  To software there is no
> difference between a CPU core and a CPU thread.  Every core has at
> least one hardware thread.  Hyperthreading gives each core 2 threads
> (in all current implementations).  power6 has 2 threads per core of SMT,
> and power7 has 4 threads per core.  power8 is likely to have 8 threads
> per core.
>
> Multithreading is multiple threads in a process.  Every process has
> at least one thread (if it has more than the first one, then it is a
> multithreaded program).  The system runs one thread on one CPU at any
> given time, so a multithreaded program could be using multiple cores at
> once, or at least multiple hardware threads on a core.
>
> The hardware threads share some resources, such as execution units,
> but do not share CPU registers.  Each CPU core on the other hand is
> independant (in general.  AMD's newer chips is starting the share the
> FPU between two cores in interesting ways, without sharing anything else).
>
> --
> Len Sorensen
> --
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From: ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (Bill Henderson)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:35:00 +0000
Subject: Hosting & DNS providers...
In-Reply-To: <CAJUuK_CBzQ0OD8+z=n2AZXTe-XyMnGipQGCQsATrDdk6hGVBiA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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On 01/30/2014 05:49 PM, Colin McGregor wrote:
> I'm doing a little job for a not-for-profit that is currently using 
> three firms to support their web presence (a DNS registrar and two web 
> hosting firms (one website offering their public presence, the other 
> used to distribute files). The organization is wondering about 
> reducing the number of firms down to one.
>
> Okay, so I can easily look-up and see that firm X has the services 
> needed for $X month, but it is a little harder to figure out is this 
> firm good/bad/indifferent when it comes to support, and service.
>
> So, anyone on this list with suggestions regarding who is particularly 
> good (or particularly bad). One of the firms I have looked at is 
> GoDaddy. Yes, I know some of their ads have been in ... questionable 
> ... taste (heavy on women in tight fitting outfits), but are they good 
> for ALL of the roles listed above?

Try freetzi.com

I'm happy there and for my volume of transaction's the sites are free 
although you naturally have to pay for domain registration.

Bill
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From northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sun Feb  2 16:36:31 2014
From: northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Thornton)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 11:36:31 -0500
Subject: Linux Kernel Network Subsystem Patching
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I replied to a message way further "up" in the thread... I've since read
the whole thread now. Oops.


On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 7:01 PM, David Thornton <northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> But I think your missing the point of the question: "What is the effect of
> hyperthreading versus multiple core, with respect to dead locks?". I think
> the answer is nothing. From a dead lock perspective, it's the same problem
> : O'Leary is dead and O'reily don't know it, O'reily is dead and O'Leary don't
> know it ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZWpffswMnM ).  Two threads /
> Processes depend on each-other to get something done,
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadlock . It doesn't matter of those two
> threads / process are in their own thread or core, they are still waiting
> on each other.
>
> David
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Lennart Sorensen <
> lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 04:26:24PM -0500, Bob Jonkman wrote:
>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> > Hash: SHA1
>> >
>> > Is there a difference between hyperthreading and multithreading?
>> >
>> > (Not a snark -- I really don't know, and would like to...)
>>
>> Hyperthreading is one way to give you multiple hardware threads.
>> Actual seperate cores is another way.  To software there is no
>> difference between a CPU core and a CPU thread.  Every core has at
>> least one hardware thread.  Hyperthreading gives each core 2 threads
>> (in all current implementations).  power6 has 2 threads per core of SMT,
>> and power7 has 4 threads per core.  power8 is likely to have 8 threads
>> per core.
>>
>> Multithreading is multiple threads in a process.  Every process has
>> at least one thread (if it has more than the first one, then it is a
>> multithreaded program).  The system runs one thread on one CPU at any
>> given time, so a multithreaded program could be using multiple cores at
>> once, or at least multiple hardware threads on a core.
>>
>> The hardware threads share some resources, such as execution units,
>> but do not share CPU registers.  Each CPU core on the other hand is
>> independant (in general.  AMD's newer chips is starting the share the
>> FPU between two cores in interesting ways, without sharing anything else).
>>
>> --
>> Len Sorensen
>> --
>> The Toronto Linux Users Group.      Meetings: http://gtalug.org/
>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns
>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
>>
>
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From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 15:58:59 -0500
Subject: Linux Kernel Network Subsystem Patching
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On Sat, Feb 01, 2014 at 04:27:37PM -0500, Aruna Hewapathirane wrote:
> <snip>
> >I think about the cheapest you can do a new machine with the lowest
> >components of everything is around $300 or so.  Uping that by another
> >$100 probably close to doubles what you get.
> 
> Lennart, your estimate was spot on !
> 
> I just purchased a new system for $362.95 from Filtech
> Computers<http://filtechcomputer.com/>( plus tax came to $410.00
> overall )
> A dual core Intel i3- 4130 3.4Ghz with 8 GB RAM.The motherboard is a ASUS
> H81M-E ( again like you suggested ). The processor specs say it has 4
> threads so am guessing if we hyperthread we can have the 2 cores + 2
> logical cores ? Or is that a bad idea ?

The hyperthreading on the Core i3 should be quite good.  It doesn't have
the same bottleneck issues as the P4 used to have.  Of course you can
still find some cases where it would be faster not to use it, but that
should be pretty rare on the Core i series.  I would certainly use it.

Each of the two cores can run two threads at once, so 4 threads total
for the 2 cores.

> They had many off-lease and re-certified systems but after much thought I
> decided to go with the brand new motherboard + CPU + RAM even though it
> cost more.

Sounds pretty decent.

> And I figured out ccache ( reading through Greg Kroah-Hartman's Linux
> Kernel In A Nutshell <http://www.kroah.com/lkn/>  gave me the answer )
> If you run:  make CC="ccache gcc" THEN it does kick in but I still get
> weird errors like not a C/C++ file and unsupported compiler option . But at
> least it is working sort of :)
> 
> I have a question will a 64bit system compile a kernel faster all other
> things being equal ? My concern is this, I install a 64bit version of
> Ubuntu and use that to compile and take full advantage of the bus width but
> what about all the other applications we have come to depend on over the
> years most of which are 32bit  ? Will they run ?

64bit is faster and a 64bit linux can run 32bit programs too (although
there are very few left you would have any reason to run as 32 bit).

-- 
Len Sorensen
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Sun Feb  2 21:00:05 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 16:00:05 -0500
Subject: Linux Kernel Network Subsystem Patching
In-Reply-To: <CAHcykVoHYJP+yQM2By_erfLMaL7F06QBK=PwtRfVZfWtivKRkg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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On Sat, Feb 01, 2014 at 07:01:23PM -0500, David Thornton wrote:
> But I think your missing the point of the question: "What is the effect of
> hyperthreading versus multiple core, with respect to dead locks?". I think
> the answer is nothing. From a dead lock perspective, it's the same problem
> : O'Leary is dead and O'reily don't know it, O'reily is dead and O'Leary don't
> know it ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZWpffswMnM ).  Two threads /
> Processes depend on each-other to get something done,
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadlock . It doesn't matter of those two
> threads / process are in their own thread or core, they are still waiting
> on each other.

Yes it certainly is the same.  SMT versus SMP makes no difference to
software running on the system as far as dead locks are concerned.
You still have multiple things happening at the same time.

-- 
Len Sorensen
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From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sun Feb  2 21:57:01 2014
From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 16:57:01 -0500
Subject: Linux Kernel Network Subsystem Patching
In-Reply-To: <20140202205859.GF15446-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
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On 14-02-02 03:58 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> 
> 64bit is faster and a 64bit linux can run 32bit programs too (although
> there are very few left you would have any reason to run as 32 bit).

Yes, I can't think of anything that I use that needs 32 bit. Proprietary
binaries used to need it (Flash, Acrobat Reader, ndiswrapper) but not so
much any more.

 Stewart

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From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Mon Feb  3 04:54:23 2014
From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 23:54:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Linux Kernel Network Subsystem Patching
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| From: Stewart C. Russell <scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>

| Yes, I can't think of anything that I use that needs 32 bit. Proprietary
| binaries used to need it (Flash, Acrobat Reader, ndiswrapper) but not so
| much any more.

Some CODECs for mplayer, I think.  I've never used them.

It's amazing how long the transition from x86 to x86-64 took,
especially in Windows.

I've had x86-64 hardware for 10 years and used 64-bit Linux for all
that time.

It was a couple of years before there was a 64-bit WinXP (Microsoft
reneged a promise to AMD, I think) and even then it was useless.
64-bit Windows didn't get "normal" until the last couple of years.

There are still 32-bit-only systems for sale.  For example, many
Atom-based Win8 tablets.  Although the CPU can do 64-bits, the UEFI is
32-bit only.

<http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ5NzE>
<http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/26734.html>
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Mon Feb  3 13:22:45 2014
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 08:22:45 -0500
Subject: Linux Kernel Network Subsystem Patching
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D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> I've had x86-64 hardware for 10 years and used 64-bit Linux for all
> that time.

I'm coming up on 8 years running 64 bits.  I agree the Windows world is
behind the times (again).

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From tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org  Mon Feb  3 14:38:51 2014
From: tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (Tim Tisdall)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 09:38:51 -0500
Subject: Choice of two VPSs
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> After spending a good chunk of time on culling from the crowded hosting
> field it's down to two providers who offer fairly similar services:
> VPS.NET and CirrusTech. Both offer good specs, good prices, support
> Ubuntu and (important to us) have Canadian datacentres.
>
> Does anyone here have experience with either of these companies, positive
> OR negative?
>

Hopefully I'm not too late for a reply to this...

I've been a long-term customer of VPS.NET for about 3 years now.  I hate
them.  :)  But I also still use them.  In the past I had a lot of issues
with downtime and just a few weeks ago I had two instances be down for over
12 hrs.  I'm not hosting any critical applications with them  (where I did
in the past and lost a lot of money).  They have a SLA that basically says
if they're down long enough (and you reported it quick enough), you can get
your money back.  But getting back $20 isn't much of a comfort if your
mission critical site is down for 20hrs.

I just checked the site again, and VPS.NET is charging $25/month for using
their Montreal data center.  This is a lot better than in the past where
they were charging closer to $40/month.  I also don't know what the uptime
track record is for the Montreal center as I've only used the 3 data
centers in the US.

So, in conclusion...  I use them because they're fairly convenient and
cheap.  I try to mitigate issues by making offsite backups as well (though
losing data hasn't been an issue yet).

Incidentally, VPS.NET uses http://onapp.com/ to power their cloud
instances.  You can check out their website and see other companies using
the same software as well as finding Canadian ones.  Sometimes it's easier
dealing with a smaller company.

If you're willing to cross the border, digitalocean is only $5/month for a
basic instance.

-Tim
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From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 11:50:29 -0500
Subject: Rescue software RAID system
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> > So I booted from a rescue CD, used mdadmin to start RAID device,
mounted the
> > device and tried to chroot into the mount directory and don't work,
don't
> > seem to have chroot binary in my rescue environment.
>
> If this is the centos rescue environment, it definitely should include
> chroot. The approach you're taking seems fine to me. I've done this in
> the past.

This eventually worked. I have now been able to bring up one of the RAID
device up fully. This is md0 which is RAID1. I have struggled with md2
though which is a RAID5 device. Here is how it looks.

mdadm --query --detail /dev/md2

/dev/md2: Version : 1.2 Creation Time : Thu Dec 13 11:04:35 2012 Raid Level
: raid5 Used Dev Size : -1 Raid Devices : 3 Total Devices : 2 Persistence :
Superblock is persistent

Update Time : Thu Nov 21 09:20:07 2013 State : active, degraded, Not
Started Active Devices : 2 Working Devices : 2 Failed Devices : 0 Spare
Devices : 0

Layout : left-symmetric Chunk Size : 512K

Name : gfs1.jamar.com:2 (local to host gfs1.jamar.com) UUID :
0202547e:d9a3bd67:fdeaf168: a780aa38 Events : 6292

Number Major Minor RaidDevice State 0 0 0 0 removed 1 8 18 1 active sync
/dev/sdb2 3 8 34 2 active sync /dev/sdc2

mdadm --add /dev/md2 /dev/sda2 mdadm: add new device failed for /dev/sda2
as 4: Invalid argument

On dmesg, I see the error

MD2: ADD_NEW_DISK not supported

(The above actually worked for the RAID 1 device on the same system. It has
two partition, RAID 1 being system and RAID 5 being data partition).

mdadm --examine /dev/sd[abc]2 | egrep 'dev|Update|Role|State|Chunk Size'
/dev/sda2: State : active Update Time : Thu Nov 21 09:20:07 2013 Device
Role : spare Array State : AAA ('A' == active, '.' == missing) /dev/sdb2:
State : active Update Time : Thu Nov 21 09:20:07 2013 Device Role : Active
device 1 Array State : AAA ('A' == active, '.' == missing) /dev/sdc2: State
: active Update Time : Thu Nov 21 09:20:07 2013 Device Role : Active device
2 Array State : AAA ('A' == active, '.' == missing)

What does "used device size" mean when the number is negative?

Anybody see something I may have approached wrongly? Its a back up system
so not too worried for now. Plan to just destroy the device and create a
new if I can't bring it up by end week. Would be satisfying though to bring
it back though

William
>
> Also, in the unfortunate event that you have problems during the
> rebuild, be aware that unless the first failed disk is completely
> fubared, you may be able to use some of its data if required.
> Hopefully not, but keep it in mind.
>
> Thanks
> -Ben
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From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy)
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 14:10:52 -0500
Subject: Rescue software RAID system
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1. Boot the working drive to confirm it works.
    Was grub enabled on both drives ?
    A lot forget this step when making a raid1.

2. Power down and drop in a new drive

3. fdisk and mdadm it and get the raid in sync.

Teddy



William Muriithi wrote:
>  > > So I booted from a rescue CD, used mdadmin to start RAID device,
> mounted the
>  > > device and tried to chroot into the mount directory and don't work,
> don't
>  > > seem to have chroot binary in my rescue environment.
>  >
>  > If this is the centos rescue environment, it definitely should include
>  > chroot. The approach you're taking seems fine to me. I've done this in
>  > the past.
>
> This eventually worked. I have now been able to bring up one of the RAID
> device up fully. This is md0 which is RAID1. I have struggled with md2
> though which is a RAID5 device. Here is how it looks.
>
> mdadm --query --detail /dev/md2
>
> /dev/md2: Version : 1.2 Creation Time : Thu Dec 13 11:04:35 2012 Raid
> Level : raid5 Used Dev Size : -1 Raid Devices : 3 Total Devices : 2
> Persistence : Superblock is persistent
>
> Update Time : Thu Nov 21 09:20:07 2013 State : active, degraded, Not
> Started Active Devices : 2 Working Devices : 2 Failed Devices : 0 Spare
> Devices : 0
>
> Layout : left-symmetric Chunk Size : 512K
>
> Name : gfs1.jamar.com:2 <http://gfs1.jamar.com:2> (local to host
> gfs1.jamar.com <http://gfs1.jamar.com>) UUID :
> 0202547e:d9a3bd67:fdeaf168: a780aa38 Events : 6292
>
> Number Major Minor RaidDevice State 0 0 0 0 removed 1 8 18 1 active sync
> /dev/sdb2 3 8 34 2 active sync /dev/sdc2
>
> mdadm --add /dev/md2 /dev/sda2 mdadm: add new device failed for
> /dev/sda2 as 4: Invalid argument
>
> On dmesg, I see the error
>
> MD2: ADD_NEW_DISK not supported
>
> (The above actually worked for the RAID 1 device on the same system. It
> has two partition, RAID 1 being system and RAID 5 being data partition).
>
> mdadm --examine /dev/sd[abc]2 | egrep 'dev|Update|Role|State|Chunk Size'
> /dev/sda2: State : active Update Time : Thu Nov 21 09:20:07 2013 Device
> Role : spare Array State : AAA ('A' == active, '.' == missing)
> /dev/sdb2: State : active Update Time : Thu Nov 21 09:20:07 2013 Device
> Role : Active device 1 Array State : AAA ('A' == active, '.' == missing)
> /dev/sdc2: State : active Update Time : Thu Nov 21 09:20:07 2013 Device
> Role : Active device 2 Array State : AAA ('A' == active, '.' == missing)
>
> What does "used device size" mean when the number is negative?
>
> Anybody see something I may have approached wrongly? Its a back up
> system so not too worried for now. Plan to just destroy the device and
> create a new if I can't bring it up by end week. Would be satisfying
> though to bring it back though
>
> William
>  >
>  > Also, in the unfortunate event that you have problems during the
>  > rebuild, be aware that unless the first failed disk is completely
>  > fubared, you may be able to use some of its data if required.
>  > Hopefully not, but keep it in mind.
>  >
>  > Thanks
>  > -Ben
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From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Mon Feb  3 20:19:24 2014
From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 15:19:24 -0500
Subject: Rescue software RAID system
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>
> 1. Boot the working drive to confirm it works.
>    Was grub enabled on both drives ?
>    A lot forget this step when making a raid1.
>
> 2. Power down and drop in a new drive
>
> 3. fdisk and mdadm it and get the raid in sync.
>
The system come up fine now.  The system run from md0. The problem now is
fixing the data partition which is on md0

William
> Teddy
>
>
>
> William Muriithi wrote:
>>
>>  > > So I booted from a rescue CD, used mdadmin to start RAID device,
>> mounted the
>>  > > device and tried to chroot into the mount directory and don't work,
>> don't
>>  > > seem to have chroot binary in my rescue environment.
>>  >
>>  > If this is the centos rescue environment, it definitely should include
>>  > chroot. The approach you're taking seems fine to me. I've done this in
>>  > the past.
>>
>> This eventually worked. I have now been able to bring up one of the RAID
>> device up fully. This is md0 which is RAID1. I have struggled with md2
>> though which is a RAID5 device. Here is how it looks.
>>
>> mdadm --query --detail /dev/md2
>>
>> /dev/md2: Version : 1.2 Creation Time : Thu Dec 13 11:04:35 2012 Raid
>> Level : raid5 Used Dev Size : -1 Raid Devices : 3 Total Devices : 2
>> Persistence : Superblock is persistent
>>
>> Update Time : Thu Nov 21 09:20:07 2013 State : active, degraded, Not
>> Started Active Devices : 2 Working Devices : 2 Failed Devices : 0 Spare
>> Devices : 0
>>
>> Layout : left-symmetric Chunk Size : 512K
>>
>> Name : gfs1.jamar.com:2 <http://gfs1.jamar.com:2> (local to host
>> gfs1.jamar.com <http://gfs1.jamar.com>) UUID :
>>
>> 0202547e:d9a3bd67:fdeaf168: a780aa38 Events : 6292
>>
>> Number Major Minor RaidDevice State 0 0 0 0 removed 1 8 18 1 active sync
>> /dev/sdb2 3 8 34 2 active sync /dev/sdc2
>>
>> mdadm --add /dev/md2 /dev/sda2 mdadm: add new device failed for
>> /dev/sda2 as 4: Invalid argument
>>
>> On dmesg, I see the error
>>
>> MD2: ADD_NEW_DISK not supported
>>
>> (The above actually worked for the RAID 1 device on the same system. It
>> has two partition, RAID 1 being system and RAID 5 being data partition).
>>
>> mdadm --examine /dev/sd[abc]2 | egrep 'dev|Update|Role|State|Chunk Size'
>> /dev/sda2: State : active Update Time : Thu Nov 21 09:20:07 2013 Device
>> Role : spare Array State : AAA ('A' == active, '.' == missing)
>> /dev/sdb2: State : active Update Time : Thu Nov 21 09:20:07 2013 Device
>> Role : Active device 1 Array State : AAA ('A' == active, '.' == missing)
>> /dev/sdc2: State : active Update Time : Thu Nov 21 09:20:07 2013 Device
>> Role : Active device 2 Array State : AAA ('A' == active, '.' == missing)
>>
>> What does "used device size" mean when the number is negative?
>>
>> Anybody see something I may have approached wrongly? Its a back up
>> system so not too worried for now. Plan to just destroy the device and
>> create a new if I can't bring it up by end week. Would be satisfying
>> though to bring it back though
>>
>> William
>>  >
>>  > Also, in the unfortunate event that you have problems during the
>>  > rebuild, be aware that unless the first failed disk is completely
>>  > fubared, you may be able to use some of its data if required.
>>  > Hopefully not, but keep it in mind.
>>  >
>>  > Thanks
>>  > -Ben
>>  > --
>>  > The Toronto Linux Users Group.      Meetings: http://gtalug.org/
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From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 15:29:31 -0500
Subject: Rescue software RAID system
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On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 11:50:29AM -0500, William Muriithi wrote:
> This eventually worked. I have now been able to bring up one of the RAID
> device up fully. This is md0 which is RAID1. I have struggled with md2
> though which is a RAID5 device. Here is how it looks.
> 
> mdadm --query --detail /dev/md2
> 
> /dev/md2: Version : 1.2 Creation Time : Thu Dec 13 11:04:35 2012 Raid Level
> : raid5 Used Dev Size : -1 Raid Devices : 3 Total Devices : 2 Persistence :
> Superblock is persistent
> 
> Update Time : Thu Nov 21 09:20:07 2013 State : active, degraded, Not
> Started Active Devices : 2 Working Devices : 2 Failed Devices : 0 Spare
> Devices : 0
> 
> Layout : left-symmetric Chunk Size : 512K
> 
> Name : gfs1.jamar.com:2 (local to host gfs1.jamar.com) UUID :
> 0202547e:d9a3bd67:fdeaf168: a780aa38 Events : 6292
> 
> Number Major Minor RaidDevice State 0 0 0 0 removed 1 8 18 1 active sync
> /dev/sdb2 3 8 34 2 active sync /dev/sdc2
> 
> mdadm --add /dev/md2 /dev/sda2 mdadm: add new device failed for /dev/sda2
> as 4: Invalid argument

mdadm --manage /dev/md2 --add /dev/sda2

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From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Mon Feb  3 20:44:23 2014
From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 15:44:23 -0500
Subject: Rescue software RAID system
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Len,

Thanks
> >
> > mdadm --add /dev/md2 /dev/sda2 mdadm: add new device failed for
/dev/sda2
> > as 4: Invalid argument
>
> mdadm --manage /dev/md2 --add /dev/sda2
>
Have already tried this with the same error. I suspected the two commands
are like alias.
> --
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From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb  4 00:39:20 2014
From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY)
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 19:39:20 -0500
Subject: Choice of two VPSs
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Message-ID: <52F036B8.3050600@dinamis.com>

On 02/03/2014 09:38 AM, Tim Tisdall wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org
> <mailto:evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org>> wrote:
>
> I've been a long-term customer of VPS.NET <http://VPS.NET> for about 3
> years now.  I hate them.  :)  But I also still use them.  In the past
> I had a lot of issues with downtime and just a few weeks ago I had two
> instances be down for over 12 hrs.  I'm not hosting any critical
> applications with them  (where I did in the past and lost a lot of
> money).  They have a SLA that basically says if they're down long
> enough (and you reported it quick enough), you can get your money
> back.  But getting back $20 isn't much of a comfort if your mission
> critical site is down for 20hrs.

If your site is really "mission critical", you should be prepared to
spend the money that it takes to increase reliability and durability.
$20/month gets you cheap and cheerful hosting with no fault tolerance
and minimal support. You get what you pay for and don't get what you
don't pay for. To get increasingly higher levels of reliability, expect
your costs to increase exponentially. Like almost anything you look at,
the last tenth can be exorbitantly expensive so you have to decide how
much down time you can actually tolerate. Clearly, tolerating outages of
20 hours is fine for you because you're still there.

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From tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb  4 14:19:43 2014
From: tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (Tim Tisdall)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 09:19:43 -0500
Subject: Choice of two VPSs
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On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 7:39 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY
<clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org>wrote:

>  On 02/03/2014 09:38 AM, Tim Tisdall wrote:
>
>  On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>  I've been a long-term customer of VPS.NET for about 3 years now.  I hate
> them.  :)  But I also still use them.  In the past I had a lot of issues
> with downtime and just a few weeks ago I had two instances be down for over
> 12 hrs.  I'm not hosting any critical applications with them  (where I did
> in the past and lost a lot of money).  They have a SLA that basically says
> if they're down long enough (and you reported it quick enough), you can get
> your money back.  But getting back $20 isn't much of a comfort if your
> mission critical site is down for 20hrs.
>
>
> If your site is really "mission critical", you should be prepared to spend
> the money that it takes to increase reliability and durability. $20/month
> gets you cheap and cheerful hosting with no fault tolerance and minimal
> support. You get what you pay for and don't get what you don't pay for. To
> get increasingly higher levels of reliability, expect your costs to
> increase exponentially. Like almost anything you look at, the last tenth
> can be exorbitantly expensive so you have to decide how much down time you
> can actually tolerate. Clearly, tolerating outages of 20 hours is fine for
> you because you're still there.
>

Yes, my needs changed.  While the down time is still annoying, my websites
are more hobby sites than "mission critical" (okay, not mission critical at
all).  When I did need more reliability we had multiple instances across
different clouds and a load balancer to try to mitigate the downtimes.
 However, what annoyed me was that the marketing on their site claimed
things like "100% Uptime - Auto-healing and auto-scaling for your website
or VPS ensures 100% availability." (
https://web.archive.org/web/20110923152239/http://www.vps.net/?). Why I'm
still with them is I'm only paying $10/month for my one instance (a Black
Friday deal in 2012).

Looking back at support tickets, another big issue was finding my server
off several times.  They'd have to do some emergency restart of a cloud and
for some reason the instances weren't automatically restarted.  So, it
wasn't until I discovered myself that it was down and started it that it
was actually back and running.

Regardless, I've found http://uptimerobot.com/ very useful for keeping an
eye on my servers.
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From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb  4 14:29:53 2014
From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 09:29:53 -0500
Subject: Looking for a Speaker for the Feburary Meeting
Message-ID: <CA+hskZPdriKeWV_F6sdS4GJ43NvtDTcuvQmP_bmQkn3JFYgRVA@mail.gmail.com>

We are looking for a speaker for the 11th February GTALUG Meeting.

If you know someone or would like to give a talk please contact me off list.

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From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb  4 16:51:24 2014
From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:51:24 -0500
Subject: Linux Kernel Network Subsystem Patching
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On 14-02-02 03:58 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
>
> 64bit is faster and a 64bit linux can run 32bit programs too (although
> there are very few left you would have any reason to run as 32 bit).

Is it possible to run a system with only 64-bit libraries? I have stayed 
with 32-bit as I didn't have a ton of disk space for the root partition 
(until recently) so I didn't want to waste the space by having 32-bit and 
64-bit versions of all libraries.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb  4 19:14:41 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:14:41 -0500
Subject: Rescue software RAID system
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On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 03:44:23PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote:
> Have already tried this with the same error. I suspected the two commands
> are like alias.

What is the current state of the raid:

cat /proc/mdstat

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb  4 19:21:48 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:21:48 -0500
Subject: Linux Kernel Network Subsystem Patching
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On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 11:51:24AM -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote:
> On 14-02-02 03:58 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> >
> >64bit is faster and a 64bit linux can run 32bit programs too (although
> >there are very few left you would have any reason to run as 32 bit).
> 
> Is it possible to run a system with only 64-bit libraries? I have
> stayed with 32-bit as I didn't have a ton of disk space for the root
> partition (until recently) so I didn't want to waste the space by
> having 32-bit and 64-bit versions of all libraries.

Sure you can have a 64bit only system.

And with Debian 7.0 (wheezy) as well as recent Ubuntu, they are multiarch
capable, which allows installing just the 32bit libraries and packages
you need.

You end up with things like this then:

lennartsorensen at lennartsorensen:~$ dpkg -l|grep libc6
ii  libc6:amd64                2.17-97     amd64     Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii  libc6:i386                 2.17-97     i386      Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii  libc6-dbg:amd64            2.17-97     amd64     Embedded GNU C Library: detached debugging symbols
ii  libc6-dev:amd64            2.17-97     amd64     Embedded GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files
ii  libc6-dev-i386             2.17-97     amd64     Embedded GNU C Library: 32-bit development libraries for AMD64
ii  libc6-dev-x32              2.17-97     amd64     Embedded GNU C Library: X32 ABI Development Libraries for AMD64
ii  libc6-i386                 2.17-97     amd64     Embedded GNU C Library: 32-bit shared libraries for AMD64
ii  libc6-x32                  2.17-97     amd64     Embedded GNU C Library: X32 ABI Shared libraries for AMD64

So in this case I have libc6 for amd64, i386 and x32 (x32 is a new ABI).

x32 is pretty neat.  It does what a lot of other architectures have done
over the years (MIPS for example).  Essentially the idea is that since
x86_64 (aka amd64) added more registers and new useful instructions, but
uses twice as much memory for pointers, it would be nice to avoid the
memory overhead while keeping the register and instruction features.
So X32 is in fact x86_64 register and instruction set, with 32bit
pointers.  So all the benefits and none of the disadvantages.

MIPS did the same with old 32bit (for 32bit only chips and the original
instruction set), new 32bit (for 64bit chips but using 32bit pointers
but the new better instruction set), and 64bit.  powerpc and sparc systems
also generally use 32bit code in most casea and only use 64bit binaries
for the few cases where it makes sense, although there are plans to make
a pure 64bit powerpc linux architecture using little endian instead of
big endian.  It is probably primarily targeted at the super computing
users.

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From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb  4 19:59:27 2014
From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:59:27 -0500
Subject: Rescue software RAID system
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> On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 03:44:23PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote:
> > Have already tried this with the same error. I suspected the two
commands
> > are like alias.
>
> What is the current state of the raid:
>
> cat /proc/mdstat
>

Looks like its inactive.

Personalities : [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]

md2 : inactive sdb2[1] sdc2[3] 5692755968 blocks super 1.2

md0 : active raid1 sda1[2] sdb1[1] 83886008 blocks super 1.0 [2/2] [UU]
bitmap: 0/1 pages [0KB], 65536KB chunk

unused devices: <none>
> --
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From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb  4 20:23:50 2014
From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:23:50 -0500
Subject: Rescue software RAID system
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> > > Have already tried this with the same error. I suspected the two
commands
> > > are like alias.
> >
> > What is the current state of the raid:
> >
> > cat /proc/mdstat
> >
>
> Looks like its inactive.
>
> Personalities : [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
>
> md2 : inactive sdb2[1] sdc2[3] 5692755968 blocks super 1.2
>
> md0 : active raid1 sda1[2] sdb1[1] 83886008 blocks super 1.0 [2/2] [UU]
bitmap: 0/1 pages [0KB], 65536KB chunk
>
> unused devices: <none>
> > --
> > Len Sorensen
Actually this got me in the proper path. I googled for inactive raid device
and I it does look like you need to stop it first.

Then, I started it and got this message
mdadm --assemble /dev/md2 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc2

mdadm: device 3 in /dev/md2 has wrong state in superblock, but /dev/sda2
seems ok
mdadm: /dev/md2 assembled from 2 drives and 1 spare - not enough to start
the array while not clean - consider --force.

Have never liked to use force.

William
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From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb  4 21:35:06 2014
From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 16:35:06 -0500
Subject: Rescue software RAID system
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> > > > Have already tried this with the same error. I suspected the two
commands
> > > > are like alias.
> > >
> > > What is the current state of the raid:
> > >
> > > cat /proc/mdstat
> > >
> >
> > Looks like its inactive.
> >
> > Personalities : [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
> >
> > md2 : inactive sdb2[1] sdc2[3] 5692755968 blocks super 1.2
> >
> > md0 : active raid1 sda1[2] sdb1[1] 83886008 blocks super 1.0 [2/2] [UU]
bitmap: 0/1 pages [0KB], 65536KB chunk
> >
> > unused devices: <none>
> > > --
> > > Len Sorensen
> Actually this got me in the proper path. I googled for inactive raid
device and I it does look like you need to stop it first.
>
> Then, I started it and got this message
> mdadm --assemble /dev/md2 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc2
>
> mdadm: device 3 in /dev/md2 has wrong state in superblock, but /dev/sda2
seems ok
> mdadm: /dev/md2 assembled from 2 drives and 1 spare - not enough to start
the array while not clean - consider --force.
>
> Have never liked to use force.
>
So I did force the assembly and all seem fine now. Thanks a lot Len. I am
good now.

mdadm --assemble --force /dev/md2 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc2 mdadm:
clearing FAULTY flag for device 0 in /dev/md2 for /dev/sda2 mdadm: Marking
array /dev/md2 as 'clean' md/raid: md2: raid level 5 active with 2 out of 3
devices, algorithm 2 mdadm: /dev/md2 has started with 2 drives (out of 3)
and 1 spare

cat /proc/mdstat

Personalities : [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] md2 : active raid5 sdb2[1]
sda2[4] sdc2[3] 5692754944 blocks super 1.2 level 5, 512k chunk, algorithm
2 [3/2] [_UU] [>....................] recovery = 1.7% (50805888/2846377472)
finish=431.8min speed=107884K/sec

md0 : active raid1 sda1[2] sdb1[1] 83886008 blocks super 1.0 [2/2] [UU]
bitmap: 0/1 pages [0KB], 65536KB chunk

unused devices: <none>

/dev/md2: Version : 1.2 Creation Time : Thu Dec 13 11:04:35 2012 Raid Level
: raid5 Array Size : 5692754944 (5429.03 GiB 5829.38 GB) Used Dev Size :
2846377472 (2714.52 GiB 2914.69 GB) Raid Devices : 3 Total Devices : 3
Persistence : Superblock is persistent

Update Time : Tue Feb 4 16:18:14 2014 State : clean, degraded, recovering
Active Devices : 2 Working Devices : 3 Failed Devices : 0 Spare Devices : 1

Layout : left-symmetric Chunk Size : 512K

Rebuild Status : 11% complete

Name : gfs1.jamar.com:2 (local to host gfs1.jamar.com) UUID :
0202547e:d9a3bd67:fdeaf168: a780aa38 Events : 6296

Number Major Minor RaidDevice State 4 8 2 0 spare rebuilding /dev/sda2 1 8
18 1 active sync /dev/sdb2 3 8 34 2 active sync /dev/sdc2

William
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb  4 21:43:57 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 16:43:57 -0500
Subject: Rescue software RAID system
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On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 02:59:27PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 03:44:23PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote:
> > > Have already tried this with the same error. I suspected the two
> commands
> > > are like alias.
> >
> > What is the current state of the raid:
> >
> > cat /proc/mdstat
> >
> 
> Looks like its inactive.
> 
> Personalities : [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
> 
> md2 : inactive sdb2[1] sdc2[3] 5692755968 blocks super 1.2
> 
> md0 : active raid1 sda1[2] sdb1[1] 83886008 blocks super 1.0 [2/2] [UU]
> bitmap: 0/1 pages [0KB], 65536KB chunk

Can you do: mdadm --assemble /dev/md2 --scan

Can you do: mdadm --start /dev/md2

This page has some ideas:
http://globalblindspot.blogspot.ca/2011/06/how-to-replace-failed-disk-of-raid-5.html

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb  4 21:44:52 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 16:44:52 -0500
Subject: Rescue software RAID system
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On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 04:35:06PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote:
> > > > > Have already tried this with the same error. I suspected the two
> commands
> > > > > are like alias.
> > > >
> > > > What is the current state of the raid:
> > > >
> > > > cat /proc/mdstat
> > > >
> > >
> > > Looks like its inactive.
> > >
> > > Personalities : [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
> > >
> > > md2 : inactive sdb2[1] sdc2[3] 5692755968 blocks super 1.2
> > >
> > > md0 : active raid1 sda1[2] sdb1[1] 83886008 blocks super 1.0 [2/2] [UU]
> bitmap: 0/1 pages [0KB], 65536KB chunk
> > >
> > > unused devices: <none>
> > > > --
> > > > Len Sorensen
> > Actually this got me in the proper path. I googled for inactive raid
> device and I it does look like you need to stop it first.
> >
> > Then, I started it and got this message
> > mdadm --assemble /dev/md2 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc2
> >
> > mdadm: device 3 in /dev/md2 has wrong state in superblock, but /dev/sda2
> seems ok
> > mdadm: /dev/md2 assembled from 2 drives and 1 spare - not enough to start
> the array while not clean - consider --force.
> >
> > Have never liked to use force.
> >
> So I did force the assembly and all seem fine now. Thanks a lot Len. I am
> good now.
> 
> mdadm --assemble --force /dev/md2 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc2 mdadm:
> clearing FAULTY flag for device 0 in /dev/md2 for /dev/sda2 mdadm: Marking
> array /dev/md2 as 'clean' md/raid: md2: raid level 5 active with 2 out of 3
> devices, algorithm 2 mdadm: /dev/md2 has started with 2 drives (out of 3)
> and 1 spare
> 
> cat /proc/mdstat
> 
> Personalities : [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] md2 : active raid5 sdb2[1]
> sda2[4] sdc2[3] 5692754944 blocks super 1.2 level 5, 512k chunk, algorithm
> 2 [3/2] [_UU] [>....................] recovery = 1.7% (50805888/2846377472)
> finish=431.8min speed=107884K/sec
> 
> md0 : active raid1 sda1[2] sdb1[1] 83886008 blocks super 1.0 [2/2] [UU]
> bitmap: 0/1 pages [0KB], 65536KB chunk
> 
> unused devices: <none>
> 
> /dev/md2: Version : 1.2 Creation Time : Thu Dec 13 11:04:35 2012 Raid Level
> : raid5 Array Size : 5692754944 (5429.03 GiB 5829.38 GB) Used Dev Size :
> 2846377472 (2714.52 GiB 2914.69 GB) Raid Devices : 3 Total Devices : 3
> Persistence : Superblock is persistent
> 
> Update Time : Tue Feb 4 16:18:14 2014 State : clean, degraded, recovering
> Active Devices : 2 Working Devices : 3 Failed Devices : 0 Spare Devices : 1
> 
> Layout : left-symmetric Chunk Size : 512K
> 
> Rebuild Status : 11% complete
> 
> Name : gfs1.jamar.com:2 (local to host gfs1.jamar.com) UUID :
> 0202547e:d9a3bd67:fdeaf168: a780aa38 Events : 6296
> 
> Number Major Minor RaidDevice State 4 8 2 0 spare rebuilding /dev/sda2 1 8
> 18 1 active sync /dev/sdb2 3 8 34 2 active sync /dev/sdc2

That looks good. :)

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From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb  4 21:55:48 2014
From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 16:55:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Linux Kernel Network Subsystem Patching
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| From: Lennart Sorensen <lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org>

| x32 is pretty neat.

It may be, but I have heard that there has been almost no take-up.
I'd be interested to know if what I heard was wrong.

My understanding is that 64-bit SPARC code is a lot less dense than
32-bit SPARC code.  x86-64 is almost as dense as x86 code.  Perhaps
x32 is more dense that x86-64 or x86 code.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb  4 22:00:12 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:00:12 -0500
Subject: Linux Kernel Network Subsystem Patching
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On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 04:55:48PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> | From: Lennart Sorensen <lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org>
> 
> | x32 is pretty neat.
> 
> It may be, but I have heard that there has been almost no take-up.
> I'd be interested to know if what I heard was wrong.

It hasn't been around very long, so I don't think that's relevant yet.

> My understanding is that 64-bit SPARC code is a lot less dense than
> 32-bit SPARC code.  x86-64 is almost as dense as x86 code.  Perhaps
> x32 is more dense that x86-64 or x86 code.

The pointer size still matters.

sparc 64bit still uses 32bit for each instruction, so other than the
pointer size doubling, the main issues is a few instructions can't be
used in 64bit code and take a few more instructions to replace (constant
address jumps I believe).  There doesn't seem to be any benefit to using
64bit on sparc in general though, unless you need the memory space.

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From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb  5 23:07:07 2014
From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:07:07 -0500
Subject: Jmagick politics
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Hi,

I have noticed that jmagick is not in most distribution's repository.
Whenever that happen, I always assume there is a story behind it, may be
copyright or just an impossible to work with developers like xen before
they polished their acts.

Anyone know the story behind jmagick luck of support?

William
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From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:28:38 -0500
Subject: Jmagick politics
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On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:07 PM, William Muriithi <william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org
> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have noticed that jmagick is not in most distribution's repository.
> Whenever that happen, I always assume there is a story behind it, may be
> copyright or just an impossible to work with developers like xen before
> they polished their acts.
>
> Anyone know the story behind jmagick luck of support?
>
> William
>
Most likely simpler than that...

It's a Java framework, and what with the main Java implementation being
sorta-open-source, sorta proprietary to Sun Microsystems, I mean, to
Oracle, well, there aren't vastly many Java things that get tied tightly
into Linux distributions.

After all, if you require up-to-date Java, that requires that, as part of
the installation process, that the would-be gentle user needs to click
their way through licensing UIs at http://something.oracle.com.

For a long time, that discouraged distributions from giving themselves
dependencies on Java.  (One might want to distinguish "critical"
dependancies, e.g. - if you wrote a version of init in Java, from
"noncritical" ones.  Tomcat would be an excellent case of the latter.  Mind
you, having a bunch of apps that depend on Tomcat pushes things more in the
"critical" direction...)

I notice that on one of my Debian systems, there are ~500 dependencies on
JRE.  These tend to be somewhat repetitive, a cross product of ~100 apps x
several versions of each, against "default-jre".  Quite a lot are framework
items, like Tomcat, Eclipse, JBoss, Maven.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb  5 23:51:23 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:51:23 -0500
Subject: Jmagick politics
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On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 06:28:38PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote:
> Most likely simpler than that...
> 
> It's a Java framework, and what with the main Java implementation being
> sorta-open-source, sorta proprietary to Sun Microsystems, I mean, to
> Oracle, well, there aren't vastly many Java things that get tied tightly
> into Linux distributions.
> 
> After all, if you require up-to-date Java, that requires that, as part of
> the installation process, that the would-be gentle user needs to click
> their way through licensing UIs at http://something.oracle.com.
> 
> For a long time, that discouraged distributions from giving themselves
> dependencies on Java.  (One might want to distinguish "critical"
> dependancies, e.g. - if you wrote a version of init in Java, from
> "noncritical" ones.  Tomcat would be an excellent case of the latter.  Mind
> you, having a bunch of apps that depend on Tomcat pushes things more in the
> "critical" direction...)
> 
> I notice that on one of my Debian systems, there are ~500 dependencies on
> JRE.  These tend to be somewhat repetitive, a cross product of ~100 apps x
> several versions of each, against "default-jre".  Quite a lot are framework
> items, like Tomcat, Eclipse, JBoss, Maven.

Well Debian moved to openjdk given they can't even distribute the official
jre/jdk anymore (even in non-free.  Seems oracle has gone back to the
kind of license terms that java used to have back when blackdown.org
was needed to package it up in some weird way for linux distributions).
Makes you think Oracle wants to prevent people from using Java.  Or maybe
they are just dumb.

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From stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb  6 14:03:24 2014
From: stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org (Stephen W. Clarke)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 09:03:24 -0500
Subject: Android & Firefox
Message-ID: <57f95644bf525c7463d3e6a77488ac6c.squirrel@nray.ca>

Hey all,

I just bought an ACER DA220HQL which is has a 21 inch touchscreen with a
1920x1080 resolution. Unfortunately, I can't get firefox to display with
the full resolution. Apparently because it's running Android 4.0.4 it
thinks it is a phone. Does anyone on this list have a suggestion on how I
could fix this?

Thanks,
Stephen


____________________
Stephen W. Clarke
Marketing and Communications Officer
Nray Services Inc.
56A Head Street
Dundas, ON L9H 3H7
CANADA

(905) 627-1302 x14

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From aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb  6 15:21:34 2014
From: aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aruna Hewapathirane)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 10:21:34 -0500
Subject: Android & Firefox
In-Reply-To: <57f95644bf525c7463d3e6a77488ac6c.squirrel-wtWqQT8woy8@public.gmane.org>
References: <57f95644bf525c7463d3e6a77488ac6c.squirrel@nray.ca>
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Hi Stephen,

This will help:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/default-fullzoom-level/

Good luck :)

Aruna


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Stephen W. Clarke <stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I just bought an ACER DA220HQL which is has a 21 inch touchscreen with a
> 1920x1080 resolution. Unfortunately, I can't get firefox to display with
> the full resolution. Apparently because it's running Android 4.0.4 it
> thinks it is a phone. Does anyone on this list have a suggestion on how I
> could fix this?
>
> Thanks,
> Stephen
>
>
> ____________________
> Stephen W. Clarke
> Marketing and Communications Officer
> Nray Services Inc.
> 56A Head Street
> Dundas, ON L9H 3H7
> CANADA
>
> (905) 627-1302 x14
>
> --
> The Toronto Linux Users Group.      Meetings: http://gtalug.org/
> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns
> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
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From: aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aruna Hewapathirane)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 10:22:12 -0500
Subject: Android & Firefox
In-Reply-To: <CAFSeFg8YMg-WWi+emBf9eU==qYa3_uZZjkbyigDVAj6kfN-9fQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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Apologies for top posting ( been a very long night - sorry ! )


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Aruna Hewapathirane <
aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Hi Stephen,
>
> This will help:
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/default-fullzoom-level/
>
> Good luck :)
>
> Aruna
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Stephen W. Clarke <stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org>wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I just bought an ACER DA220HQL which is has a 21 inch touchscreen with a
>> 1920x1080 resolution. Unfortunately, I can't get firefox to display with
>> the full resolution. Apparently because it's running Android 4.0.4 it
>> thinks it is a phone. Does anyone on this list have a suggestion on how I
>> could fix this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>> ____________________
>> Stephen W. Clarke
>> Marketing and Communications Officer
>> Nray Services Inc.
>> 56A Head Street
>> Dundas, ON L9H 3H7
>> CANADA
>>
>> (905) 627-1302 x14
>>
>> --
>> The Toronto Linux Users Group.      Meetings: http://gtalug.org/
>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns
>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
>>
>
>
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From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 10:50:35 -0500
Subject: Android & Firefox
In-Reply-To: <CAFSeFg-RUpSn4Zp5B6QZKjzAb2C2PRQ_O842jo=JEV0uE6eskg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <57f95644bf525c7463d3e6a77488ac6c.squirrel@nray.ca> <CAFSeFg8YMg-WWi+emBf9eU==qYa3_uZZjkbyigDVAj6kfN-9fQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAFSeFg-RUpSn4Zp5B6QZKjzAb2C2PRQ_O842jo=JEV0uE6eskg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 02/06/2014 10:22 AM, Aruna Hewapathirane wrote:
> Apologies for top posting ( been a very long night - sorry ! )

It's OK, I appreciate not having to go through an entire thread to find 
your reply :-)

>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Aruna Hewapathirane 
> <aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org <mailto:aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Hi Stephen,
>
>     This will help:
>     https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/default-fullzoom-level/
>
>     Good luck :)
>
>     Aruna
>
>

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From: aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aruna Hewapathirane)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 11:07:51 -0500
Subject: Android & Firefox
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References: <57f95644bf525c7463d3e6a77488ac6c.squirrel@nray.ca>
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On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 10:50 AM, John Moniz <john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org> wrote:

>  On 02/06/2014 10:22 AM, Aruna Hewapathirane wrote:
>
> Apologies for top posting ( been a very long night - sorry ! )
>
>
> It's OK, I appreciate not having to go through an entire thread to find
> your reply :-)
>
> Thank you much relived here ( But I know Bob who is a pedantic standards
conformance weenie will not be pleased nor will Len and lot of others who
are standards conformance sticklers - so I had a bad day it happens :)
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From stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb  6 16:16:40 2014
From: stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org (Stephen W. Clarke)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 11:16:40 -0500
Subject: Android & Firefox
In-Reply-To: <CAFSeFg8YMg-WWi+emBf9eU==qYa3_uZZjkbyigDVAj6kfN-9fQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <57f95644bf525c7463d3e6a77488ac6c.squirrel@nray.ca>
    <CAFSeFg8YMg-WWi+emBf9eU==qYa3_uZZjkbyigDVAj6kfN-9fQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2eed260c9b010995dc94251bad1a4d41.squirrel@nray.ca>


> Hi Stephen,
>
> This will help:
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/default-fullzoom-level/
>
> Good luck :)
>
> Aruna
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Stephen W. Clarke <stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I just bought an ACER DA220HQL which is has a 21 inch touchscreen with a
>> 1920x1080 resolution. Unfortunately, I can't get firefox to display with
>> the full resolution. Apparently because it's running Android 4.0.4 it
>> thinks it is a phone. Does anyone on this list have a suggestion on how
>> I
>> could fix this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>> ____________________
>> Stephen W. Clarke
>> Marketing and Communications Officer
>> Nray Services Inc.
>> 56A Head Street
>> Dundas, ON L9H 3H7
>> CANADA
>>
>> (905) 627-1302 x14
>>
>> --
>> The Toronto Linux Users Group.      Meetings: http://gtalug.org/
>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns
>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
>>
>


Aruna,

Thanks for your tip. Just a note. It doesn't work with firefox 27 yet. I'm
going to see if I can downgrade the firefox version I'm using.

Stephen

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From aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb  6 16:28:59 2014
From: aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aruna Hewapathirane)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 11:28:59 -0500
Subject: Android & Firefox
In-Reply-To: <2eed260c9b010995dc94251bad1a4d41.squirrel-wtWqQT8woy8@public.gmane.org>
References: <57f95644bf525c7463d3e6a77488ac6c.squirrel@nray.ca>
	<CAFSeFg8YMg-WWi+emBf9eU==qYa3_uZZjkbyigDVAj6kfN-9fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2eed260c9b010995dc94251bad1a4d41.squirrel@nray.ca>
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>
> <snip>
>
> >Aruna,
>
> >Thanks for your tip. Just a note. It doesn't work with firefox 27 yet. I'm
> >going to see if I can downgrade the firefox version I'm using.
>

Stephen, there is another add-on by Chris Pederick I use regularly called Web
Developer <http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/>, scroll down and
you will see the download links. It adds a bar at the top that has a option
called 'resize' and the last option in that is 'View responsive Layouts'
and this works well but am not certain it will override the android
settings which makes your Firefox think it's a mobile device. Give it a try
and if unsuccessful I guess then downgrade ?
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From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 11:50:53 -0500
Subject: Choice of two VPSs
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Thanks all,

By the time I got Tim's email, the deal was closed at VPS.NET, using the
Montreal server.

(As it turns out both the choices I indicated had one negative review each.)

Some downtime is acceptable, but 12 hours stretches are a bit much. I'll
let you know how it goes.


On 4 February 2014 09:19, Tim Tisdall <tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 7:39 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY <clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org
> > wrote:
>
>>  On 02/03/2014 09:38 AM, Tim Tisdall wrote:
>>
>>  On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>>  I've been a long-term customer of VPS.NET for about 3 years now.  I
>> hate them.  :)  But I also still use them.  In the past I had a lot of
>> issues with downtime and just a few weeks ago I had two instances be down
>> for over 12 hrs.  I'm not hosting any critical applications with them
>>  (where I did in the past and lost a lot of money).  They have a SLA that
>> basically says if they're down long enough (and you reported it quick
>> enough), you can get your money back.  But getting back $20 isn't much of a
>> comfort if your mission critical site is down for 20hrs.
>>
>>
>> If your site is really "mission critical", you should be prepared to
>> spend the money that it takes to increase reliability and durability.
>> $20/month gets you cheap and cheerful hosting with no fault tolerance and
>> minimal support. You get what you pay for and don't get what you don't pay
>> for. To get increasingly higher levels of reliability, expect your costs to
>> increase exponentially. Like almost anything you look at, the last tenth
>> can be exorbitantly expensive so you have to decide how much down time you
>> can actually tolerate. Clearly, tolerating outages of 20 hours is fine for
>> you because you're still there.
>>
>
> Yes, my needs changed.  While the down time is still annoying, my websites
> are more hobby sites than "mission critical" (okay, not mission critical at
> all).  When I did need more reliability we had multiple instances across
> different clouds and a load balancer to try to mitigate the downtimes.
>  However, what annoyed me was that the marketing on their site claimed
> things like "100% Uptime - Auto-healing and auto-scaling for your website
> or VPS ensures 100% availability." (
> https://web.archive.org/web/20110923152239/http://www.vps.net/?). Why I'm
> still with them is I'm only paying $10/month for my one instance (a Black
> Friday deal in 2012).
>
> Looking back at support tickets, another big issue was finding my server
> off several times.  They'd have to do some emergency restart of a cloud and
> for some reason the instances weren't automatically restarted.  So, it
> wasn't until I discovered myself that it was down and started it that it
> was actually back and running.
>
> Regardless, I've found http://uptimerobot.com/ very useful for keeping an
> eye on my servers.
>
>


-- 
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Toronto Canada

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From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:47:14 -0500
Subject: Android & Firefox
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Aruna wrote:
> Stephen, there is another add-on by Chris Pederick I use regularly
> called Web Developer

There's a built-in developer tool in desktop Firefox to simulate
various screen sizes called "Responsive Design View". Press
CTRL+SHIFT+M to constrain the Firefox display to a particular size.
There are some standard sizes, but you can add your own custom screen
size.

I don't know how you'd do CTRL+SHIFT+M on a tablet or phone, though.
Desktop Firefox has a menu option under "Web Developer, Responsive
Design View".

- --Bob.



On 14-02-06 11:28 AM, Aruna Hewapathirane wrote:
>> 
>> <snip>
>> 
>>> Aruna,
>> 
>>> Thanks for your tip. Just a note. It doesn't work with firefox
>>> 27 yet. I'm going to see if I can downgrade the firefox version
>>> I'm using.
>> 
> 
> Stephen, there is another add-on by Chris Pederick I use regularly
> called Web Developer
> <http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/>, scroll down and you
> will see the download links. It adds a bar at the top that has a
> option called 'resize' and the last option in that is 'View
> responsive Layouts' and this works well but am not certain it will
> override the android settings which makes your Firefox think it's a
> mobile device. Give it a try and if unsuccessful I guess then
> downgrade ?
> 
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From stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb  6 19:05:01 2014
From: stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org (Stephen W. Clarke)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 14:05:01 -0500
Subject: Android & Firefox
In-Reply-To: <52F3D8B2.7080803-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
References: <57f95644bf525c7463d3e6a77488ac6c.squirrel@nray.ca>
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Bob,

I think part of the issue is that there seems to be a special version of
firefox for android. My system does have a keyboard so I can do the
CTRL+SHIFT+M but nothing happens when I do. I also tried down grading to
install the "default zoomlevel" add-on, but it's not compatible with
v26,v25 or 24. When I tried to install v23 it would not start without
crashing on Android 4.0.4.

On the plus side, Opera does support full HD resolution, so I'm going to
see if I can get things working with it.

Stephen


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>
> Aruna wrote:
>> Stephen, there is another add-on by Chris Pederick I use regularly
>> called Web Developer
>
> There's a built-in developer tool in desktop Firefox to simulate
> various screen sizes called "Responsive Design View". Press
> CTRL+SHIFT+M to constrain the Firefox display to a particular size.
> There are some standard sizes, but you can add your own custom screen
> size.
>
> I don't know how you'd do CTRL+SHIFT+M on a tablet or phone, though.
> Desktop Firefox has a menu option under "Web Developer, Responsive
> Design View".
>
> - --Bob.
>
>
>
> On 14-02-06 11:28 AM, Aruna Hewapathirane wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Aruna,
>>>
>>>> Thanks for your tip. Just a note. It doesn't work with firefox
>>>> 27 yet. I'm going to see if I can downgrade the firefox version
>>>> I'm using.
>>>
>>
>> Stephen, there is another add-on by Chris Pederick I use regularly
>> called Web Developer
>> <http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/>, scroll down and you
>> will see the download links. It adds a bar at the top that has a
>> option called 'resize' and the last option in that is 'View
>> responsive Layouts' and this works well but am not certain it will
>> override the android settings which makes your Firefox think it's a
>> mobile device. Give it a try and if unsuccessful I guess then
>> downgrade ?
>>
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56A Head Street
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CANADA

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From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb  6 19:08:14 2014
From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 14:08:14 -0500
Subject: Jmagick politics
In-Reply-To: <CAE9rU+6iQFXX=UmYNLnxwMp37e9w4KPF=pREBY1+ARw6fx-0Cw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <52F3DD9E.7090004@gmail.com>

? It could also have something to do with the ImageMagick ?
GraphicsMagick fork from a few years back. When the original developer
of IM took development back in-house a few years ago, GM forked off. IM
is no longer compatible with GM, and IM does some things differently now
than before. If Jmagick expects "real" IM, it won't work with GM.

On Ubuntu (at least), all the former ImageMagick tools are now just
links to /usr/bin/gm.

 Stewart

(who still prefers NetPBM to IM/GM, even if Debian ships a version
that's more than a decade old and very limited.)
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From bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb  6 19:17:42 2014
From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 14:17:42 -0500
Subject: Gnucash 2.4 Small Business Accounting: Beginner's Guide:Amazon:Books
In-Reply-To: <52E94A4D.8080000-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
References: <CAE9rU+6caLnbtpsUZRmcWi3KfLfA2+PcP0Bzc_t90x3ZCS5mvQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAMua2SFA9729K9-dh7tw7QFioYCWFDTYtkb794YTZTunm4kKaw@mail.gmail.com> <52E94A4D.8080000@sobac.com>
Message-ID: <52F3DFD6.3070302@sobac.com>

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While we were discussing GnuCash here I whined on the KWLUG list about
wanting a presentation[1], and not only did they listen, people were
tripping over themselves to present. On Monday, 5 May 2014 KWLUG will
have two presenters showing off GnuCash, and one showing the
command-line program Ledger: http://kwlug.org/node/919

Come join us! It's worth the drive to KW...

- --Bob.

[1]
http://kwlug.org/pipermail/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org/2014-January/011510.html


Bob Jonkman <bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>          Phone: +1-519-669-0388
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Software   ---   Office & Business Automation   ---   Consulting
GnuPG Fngrprnt:04F7 742B 8F54 C40A E115 26C2 B912 89B0 D2CC E5EA


On 14-01-29 01:37 PM, Bob Jonkman wrote:
> gnucash does seem to be a timely topic.  Here at the House of
> Jonkman my wife is handing back the bookkeeping sceptre (spectre?).
> So far I've only managed to install gnucash, and haven't done any 
> configuration or data entry at all. I'm still trying to figure out
> how to download bank statements to import into gnucash -- if I
> can't manage that with gnucash then using a spreadsheet for manual
> data entry is probably the better (easier) way.
> 
> --Bob.
> 
> 
> On 14-01-28 08:52 PM, ted leslie wrote:
>> cool timing, i need to get into this, check it out (gnucash).
>> FYI, that book is in safari online, free in the trial, or
>> whatever level membership. Going to get my wife (the accountant)
>> to check it out, she is doing the spread sheet thing now and its
>> not ideal.
> 
>> -tl
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 7:13 PM, William Muriithi < 
>> william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
>>> Evening,
>>> 
>>> I have always meant to do a bit of personal book keeping but I 
>>> have always not followed through.  I mean, I would start and 
>>> after a couple of weeks, forget to keep recording my 
>>> expenses/revenue.
>>> 
>>> So today I thought I could try again - new year resolution you 
>>> may say.  I thought it would be a good thing to invest time 
>>> learning the software I plan to use for two reasons :
>>> 
>>> - Make it less frustrating and hence likely to follow through
>>> 
>>> - Do a good job while at it.
>>> 
>>> So went online and googled for gnucash books. Looks like there
>>> is just one book and Amazon recommendations isn't that great.
>>> Have you guys come across something you enjoyed?  Or how did
>>> you guys learn gnucash? Just monkeying around? Would be great
>>> if someone can share their experience.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> 
>>> William
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/1849513864/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?qid=1390953536&sr=8-3
>>>
>
>>> 
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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Fri Feb  7 01:11:58 2014
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 11:11:58 +1000 (EST)
Subject: App for managing Mailman
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1402071109520.14053@sirius.opentrend.net>

I saw this on another list and thought it would be of general interest:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.hagander.mailinglistmoderator

I'm probably going to be doing more Mailman management again (outside of 
GTALUG) and find this a useful tip.

Cheers,

Rob

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From bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Fri Feb  7 09:09:48 2014
From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 04:09:48 -0500
Subject: Android & Firefox
In-Reply-To: <6b9c5f1f34f3881932152ad1d3a753fe.squirrel-wtWqQT8woy8@public.gmane.org>
References: <57f95644bf525c7463d3e6a77488ac6c.squirrel@nray.ca>    <CAFSeFg8YMg-WWi+emBf9eU==qYa3_uZZjkbyigDVAj6kfN-9fQ@mail.gmail.com>    <2eed260c9b010995dc94251bad1a4d41.squirrel@nray.ca>    <CAFSeFg-tpM01tGwmmEjrTErqSL-gRW+tT6jFex1UaGU2JPc5KQ@mail.gmail.com>    <52F3D8B2.7080803@sobac.com> <6b9c5f1f34f3881932152ad1d3a753fe.squirrel@nray.ca>
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I thought Firefox might be different on Android than it is on the Desktop.

My Android Firefox is slow and sluggish, and makes everything else on
the phone slow and sluggish too, so I generally use the standard
browser, and only use Android Firefox when I want something that's
been synced from my Desktop Firefox, or there's a page that won't
scroll in the standard browser (anybody try to view the Toronto Star
on mobile lately? Maybe that's intentional to boost circulation of the
dead tree edition).

- --Bob.



On 14-02-06 02:05 PM, Stephen W. Clarke wrote:
> Bob,
> 
> I think part of the issue is that there seems to be a special 
> version of firefox for android. My system does have a keyboard so
> I can do the CTRL+SHIFT+M but nothing happens when I do. I also
> tried down grading to install the "default zoomlevel" add-on, but
> it's not compatible with v26,v25 or 24. When I tried to install v23
> it would not start without crashing on Android 4.0.4.
> 
> On the plus side, Opera does support full HD resolution, so I'm 
> going to see if I can get things working with it.
> 
> Stephen
> 
> 
> Aruna wrote:
>>>> Stephen, there is another add-on by Chris Pederick I use 
>>>> regularly called Web Developer
> 
> There's a built-in developer tool in desktop Firefox to simulate 
> various screen sizes called "Responsive Design View". Press 
> CTRL+SHIFT+M to constrain the Firefox display to a particular size.
> There are some standard sizes, but you can add your own custom
> screen size.
> 
> I don't know how you'd do CTRL+SHIFT+M on a tablet or phone, 
> though. Desktop Firefox has a menu option under "Web Developer, 
> Responsive Design View".
> 
> --Bob.
> 
> 
> 
> On 14-02-06 11:28 AM, Aruna Hewapathirane wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Aruna,
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for your tip. Just a note. It doesn't work with 
>>>>>> firefox 27 yet. I'm going to see if I can downgrade the 
>>>>>> firefox version I'm using.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Stephen, there is another add-on by Chris Pederick I use 
>>>> regularly called Web Developer 
>>>> <http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/>, scroll down 
>>>> and you will see the download links. It adds a bar at the
>>>> top that has a option called 'resize' and the last option in
>>>> that is 'View responsive Layouts' and this works well but am
>>>> not certain it will override the android settings which
>>>> makes your Firefox think it's a mobile device. Give it a try
>>>> and if unsuccessful I guess then downgrade ?
>>>> 
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> 
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> Communications Officer Nray Services Inc. 56A Head Street Dundas,
> ON L9H 3H7 CANADA
> 
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From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Fri Feb  7 15:27:27 2014
From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:27:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Android & Firefox
In-Reply-To: <52F4A2DC.8040104-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
References: <57f95644bf525c7463d3e6a77488ac6c.squirrel@nray.ca>    <CAFSeFg8YMg-WWi+emBf9eU==qYa3_uZZjkbyigDVAj6kfN-9fQ@mail.gmail.com>    <2eed260c9b010995dc94251bad1a4d41.squirrel@nray.ca>    <CAFSeFg-tpM01tGwmmEjrTErqSL-gRW+tT6jFex1UaGU2JPc5KQ@mail.gmail.com>
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| From: Bob Jonkman <bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>

| My Android Firefox is slow and sluggish, and makes everything else on
| the phone slow and sluggish too, so I generally use the standard
| browser

I'm lazy, so I use what's given to me (Chrome).  But there is a reason
to consider Firefox on Android: EFF's "HTTPS Everywhere".

  <https://www.eff.org/Https-everywhere>

The spooks really do seem to be vacuuming everything they can: it's
not just paranoia.

Of course the meta-data isn't protected by HTTPS Everywhere (or our
laws).

Time for a new HTTPS that hides everything in the URL after the domain
name?

>From Globe and Mail search just now:
<http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/editorials/metadata-spying-is-spying/article16700863>

"The Harper government's national security adviser says Canada's
eavesdropping agency did not spy on travellers at an airport, but
collected metadata ? data about data. Stephen Rigby says
collecting such information is legal."

From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org  Fri Feb  7 21:21:52 2014
From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 16:21:52 -0500
Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: GTALUG Meeting and Notices
In-Reply-To: <52F47F3F.2080107-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org>
References: <52F47F3F.2080107@ss.org>
Message-ID: <736c464daa9c0b52e01b52ae78f927ee.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca>

Thanks, folks. I'm particularly pleased to see this:

Heckling of the speakers cannot be tolerated. Questions and comments to
the speaker should only be asked when the speaker has opened the floor to
the audience.

One minor quibble:

> another it is good to be reminded of our principals.
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^ princibles?

Peter


Please take an
> opportunity to review our new Code of Conduct.
>
> http://gtalug.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct
>
> 2) Continued Website Improvements
>
> GTALUG would like to thank Myles Braithwaite for his continued
> development and improvement to GTALUG's web presence.
>
> http://gtalug.org/
>
>
> This Months Speaker
> ===================
>
> Questions and Hopefully a Lot of Answers
>
> 11 February, 2014 at 07:30 PM
>
> This will be a question and answer session run along the lines of a Unix
> Unanimous meeting. So, bring your Linux related questions and we will do
> our best to get some answers for you.
>
> http://gtalug.org/meeting/2014-02/
>
>
> GTALUG Key Signing Party
> ========================
>
> Myles Braithwaite, one of GTALUG's acting Board members will be run a
> GPG key signing at the next meeting. This will take place in the time
> before the main session starts. Below is a getting started guide.
>
>
> ### What you will need:
>
> 1. Create an OpenPGP keypair for yourself (if you haven't) already.
> 2. Print or write down your key fingerprint and bring it with you.
> You'll have to confirm at the signing that the list is correct for
> your key.
> 3. Send you key before the event to the `pgp.mit.edu` keyserver.
> 4. Email your key fingerprint to <me+gtalug-keys-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
> with the subject "'youremail-hcDgGtZH8xNAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org' key".
> 5. Bring a goverment-issued picture ID of yourself.
>
> #### Help
>
> Get your KEYID from your keyring as the part following the 1024D/ as
> follows:
>
>      gpg --list-secret-keys | grep sec
>
> Here is how to send your key to the keyserver:
>
>      gpg --keyserver gpg.mit.edu --send-keys <KEYID>
>
> Get your fingerprint information:
>
>      gpg --fingerprint KEYID
>
> ### At the Key Signing Party
>
> 1. Each participant should meet up face to face with every other
> participant to receive their key fingerprint and examine their ID, and
> to give them your key fingerprint and have them examine your ID.
> 2. Each participant should meet up face to face with every other
> participant to receive their key fingerprint and examine their ID, and
> to give them your key fingerprint and have them examine your ID.
>
> ### After the Key Signing Party
>
> 1. Find the key ID on the fingerprint. The fingerprint will have an
> 8-character ID listed after the key size. Typically it looks like
> this: '1024D/64011A8B'. The actual ID portion is the '64011A8B'.
> You'll notice this is also the last 8 characters of the fingerprint
> itself.
> 2. Fetch the public key using the key ID. If you're running GnuPG on
> the command line, you can do this by typing: `gpg --keyserver
> pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys <KeyID>` (where KeyID is obviously the ID of
> the key you want).
> 3. Check that the fingerprint of the key you've just fetched matches
> the fingerprint on the slip of paper: `gpg --fingerprint <KeyID>` and
> compare it with the hard copy in front of you.
> 4. If (and only if) you are happy that the fingerprints match and the
> person showed you sufficient ID, you can do the actual 'signing' part
> of the process: `gpg --sign-key <KeyID>` and answer the questions it
> asks.
> 5. Next you need to send the signed copy of their key back to them.
> Now upload the signed key back to the server `gpg --keyserver
> pgp.mit.edu --send-key <Key_ID>`. You should get back something like
> 'gpg: sending key <Key_ID> to hkp server pgp.mit.edu'.
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From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org  Fri Feb  7 23:14:04 2014
From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 18:14:04 -0500
Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: GTALUG Meeting and Notices
In-Reply-To: <736c464daa9c0b52e01b52ae78f927ee.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org>
References: <52F47F3F.2080107@ss.org> <736c464daa9c0b52e01b52ae78f927ee.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca>
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On 14-02-07 04:21 PM, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote:
> One minor quibble:
>
>> another it is good to be reminded of our principals.
>                                             ^^^^^^^^^^ princibles?

Yes, the word should be principles.

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From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb  8 00:44:23 2014
From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 19:44:23 -0500
Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: GTALUG Meeting and Notices
In-Reply-To: <52F568BC.1030904-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
References: <52F47F3F.2080107@ss.org> <736c464daa9c0b52e01b52ae78f927ee.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <52F568BC.1030904@ve3syb.ca>
Message-ID: <52F57DE7.8090807@ss.org>

On 02/07/2014 06:14 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote:
> On 14-02-07 04:21 PM, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote:
>> One minor quibble:
>>
>>> another it is good to be reminded of our principals.
>>                                             ^^^^^^^^^^ princibles?
>
> Yes, the word should be principles.

Given enough eyeballs, all grammar and spelling errors are shallow.

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From wwitteman-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb  8 00:53:22 2014
From: wwitteman-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Witteman)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:53:22 -0500
Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: GTALUG Meeting and Notices
In-Reply-To: <52F57DE7.8090807-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org>
References: <52F47F3F.2080107@ss.org>
	<736c464daa9c0b52e01b52ae78f927ee.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca>
	<52F568BC.1030904@ve3syb.ca>
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On 7 Feb 2014 19:48, "Scott Sullivan" <scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org> wrote:

>>>> another it is good to be reminded of our principals.
>>>
>>>                                             ^^^^^^^^^^ princibles?
>>
>>
>> Yes, the word should be principles.
>
>
> Given enough eyeballs, all grammar and spelling errors are shallow.

I think all grammar and spelling errors are shallow regardless of the
number of eyeballs :-)

William
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From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb  8 00:56:46 2014
From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 19:56:46 -0500
Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: GTALUG Meeting and Notices
In-Reply-To: <736c464daa9c0b52e01b52ae78f927ee.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org>
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On 02/07/2014 04:21 PM, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote:
> Thanks, folks. I'm particularly pleased to see this:
>
> Heckling of the speakers cannot be tolerated. Questions and comments to
> the speaker should only be asked when the speaker has opened the floor to
> the audience.

 From Google search:

heck?le
?hek?l/
verb
     1. interrupt (a public speaker) with derisive or aggressive 
comments or abuse.

Now. The correct definition in mind, we have _not_, to the best of my 
knowledge, had a heckling issue at a GTALUG meeting.

That Said!

We do have a couple of wilful folks that like to voice their opinions in 
_relation_ to the subject. This can be overwhelming for many speakers 
and has in the past lead to significant tangents. I do a agree that we 
need to be more mindful of this tendency and moderate appropriately in 
concern with the sprite of our code of conduct.

-- 
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With "GTALUG Talks Coordinator" hat on.
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From aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb  8 01:47:29 2014
From: aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aruna Hewapathirane)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 20:47:29 -0500
Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: GTALUG Meeting and Notices
In-Reply-To: <CAGMvh25turE+6w9XR4yKsfoDGgwfRNm6E6BSc1p=00Hz5Y9NvA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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<snip>

> > Given enough eyeballs, all grammar and spelling errors are shallow.
>
> I think all grammar and spelling errors are shallow regardless of the
> number of eyeballs :-)
>
> William
>
"Ditto!"
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From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb  8 22:12:15 2014
From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 17:12:15 -0500
Subject: Weekend project: Dovecot+Solr for searchable email
Message-ID: <52F6ABBF.9060001@utoronto.ca>

So I've decided to give Dovecot and FTS (full text search) a try and am
very pleased with the results thus far. I'm using their Solr plugin for
search.

While I hate Java as a rule, Solr+Lucene is the right tool since it
gives granular control over how to handle synonyms, stop words, short
search terms etc. and works on all but the most extreme sized datasets.

>From Thunderbird or Mutt, if I search in my TLUG maildir for 'jmagick'
the results follow:

38289 [qtp1400743924-19] INFO  org.apache.solr.core.SolrCore  ?
[collection1] webapp=/solr path=/selectparams={sort=uid+asc&
fl=uid,score&q=from:"jmagick"+OR+to:"jmagick"+OR
+cc:"jmagick"+OR+subject:"jmagick"+OR+body:"jmagick"
&fq=%2Bbox:71536e013f96f652af4c000085c4674b+%2Buser:"me"&rows=2371}
hits=4 status=0 QTime=45

Note the 'hits=4' and QTime=45. I have 2000+ messages in Solr so far and
it took 45ms to find the four relevant ones, with no JVM meddling.

For anyone who wants to give it a whirl, visit
http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Plugins/FTS/Solr and follow the instructions.

You'll need Dovecot >= 2.1 I believe. I'm using Solr 4.3.1 since that's
what I have handy, but 4.6.x works as well.

Note: if you use Thunderbird, turn off 'Keep messages on this computer'
under Account Settings -> Synchronization and Storage. In mutt I use =b
to search message bodies, whereas I think the default is ~b

Cheers, Jamon
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From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org  Sun Feb  9 04:45:18 2014
From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 23:45:18 -0500
Subject: Dumb Apache/LAMP question
Message-ID: <CAMguqh0XUhZGzVvuy7hT9gysWJSQCFmuVeveY_5vDUxSNSSDdw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm having a total brain fart right now with a site.

It's running Wordpress. Pages that explicitly end in .php are found and run
fine, anything else (which is most of the CMS content) is just giving a
file-not-found 404.

so

http://foo.bar/[whatever_path]/foo.php
works fine, but
gttp://foo.bar/[whatever_path}/
gives a 404 file not found, even if the path is correct inside the CMS
(I know it's inside the CMS because the .php files on the admin side work
fine.

What's missing? What is done to make the content fetched from the CMS
rather than the Apache filesystem?

Any help is appreciated.

-- 
Evan Leibovitch
Toronto Canada

Em: evan at telly dot org
Sk: evanleibovitch
Tw: el56
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From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 00:13:05 -0500
Subject: Dumb Apache/LAMP question
In-Reply-To: <CAMguqh0XUhZGzVvuy7hT9gysWJSQCFmuVeveY_5vDUxSNSSDdw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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gttp://foo.bar/[whatever_path}/  ?
above refers to a path not content, is this the issue? try to ref. a image
in the dir.

It sounds like a MVC issue , just relating it to what i do in asp.net on
Mono on linux. I assume php can be set up for MVC, and the path should
relate your controller, and like with asp.net (even on apache), it wouldn't
be the View of the file as per normal apache View (unless
the controller passes on it), it would be the View dictated by the
controller (and thus by the path).
If you are not doing MVC, then this isn't the issue.

-tl


On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> I'm having a total brain fart right now with a site.
>
> It's running Wordpress. Pages that explicitly end in .php are found and
> run fine, anything else (which is most of the CMS content) is just giving a
> file-not-found 404.
>
> so
>
> http://foo.bar/[whatever_path]/foo.php
> works fine, but
> gttp://foo.bar/[whatever_path}/
> gives a 404 file not found, even if the path is correct inside the CMS
> (I know it's inside the CMS because the .php files on the admin side work
> fine.
>
> What's missing? What is done to make the content fetched from the CMS
> rather than the Apache filesystem?
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> --
> Evan Leibovitch
> Toronto Canada
>
> Em: evan at telly dot org
> Sk: evanleibovitch
> Tw: el56
>
>
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From bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sun Feb  9 05:37:32 2014
From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman)
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 00:37:32 -0500
Subject: Dumb Apache/LAMP question
In-Reply-To: <CAMguqh0XUhZGzVvuy7hT9gysWJSQCFmuVeveY_5vDUxSNSSDdw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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When that's happened to me it's always been a bad or missing .htaccess
file in the base WordPress folder.  This is what's in one of my
typical installations

===== .htaccess

# BEGIN WordPress
<IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
RewriteEngine On
RewriteBase /
RewriteRule ^index\.php$ - [L]
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
RewriteRule . /index.php [L]
</IfModule>

# END WordPress
=== end of .htaccess

Be sure it's owned by the process that runs the webserver
("www-data:www-data" in my case), and that it's owner-writeable.

- --Bob.



On 14-02-08 11:45 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
> I'm having a total brain fart right now with a site.
> 
> It's running Wordpress. Pages that explicitly end in .php are found
> and run fine, anything else (which is most of the CMS content) is
> just giving a file-not-found 404.
> 
> so
> 
> http://foo.bar/[whatever_path]/foo.php works fine, but 
> gttp://foo.bar/[whatever_path}/ gives a 404 file not found, even if
> the path is correct inside the CMS (I know it's inside the CMS
> because the .php files on the admin side work fine.
> 
> What's missing? What is done to make the content fetched from the
> CMS rather than the Apache filesystem?
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
> 
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From northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sun Feb  9 05:39:03 2014
From: northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Thornton)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 00:39:03 -0500
Subject: Dumb Apache/LAMP question
In-Reply-To: <CAMua2SHpJqUEmZVkNajVdcefGVz=VJQEMjtoQcjkQGy_rEJVGg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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Option +Indexes, or possibly DirectoryIndex need index.php for the path in
question.

David Thornton



On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 12:13 AM, ted leslie <ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> gttp://foo.bar/[whatever_path}/  ?
> above refers to a path not content, is this the issue? try to ref. a image
> in the dir.
>
> It sounds like a MVC issue , just relating it to what i do in asp.net on
> Mono on linux. I assume php can be set up for MVC, and the path should
> relate your controller, and like with asp.net (even on apache), it
> wouldn't be the View of the file as per normal apache View (unless
> the controller passes on it), it would be the View dictated by the
> controller (and thus by the path).
> If you are not doing MVC, then this isn't the issue.
>
> -tl
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm having a total brain fart right now with a site.
>>
>> It's running Wordpress. Pages that explicitly end in .php are found and
>> run fine, anything else (which is most of the CMS content) is just giving a
>> file-not-found 404.
>>
>> so
>>
>> http://foo.bar/[whatever_path]/foo.php
>> works fine, but
>> gttp://foo.bar/[whatever_path}/
>> gives a 404 file not found, even if the path is correct inside the CMS
>> (I know it's inside the CMS because the .php files on the admin side work
>> fine.
>>
>> What's missing? What is done to make the content fetched from the CMS
>> rather than the Apache filesystem?
>>
>> Any help is appreciated.
>>
>> --
>> Evan Leibovitch
>> Toronto Canada
>>
>> Em: evan at telly dot org
>> Sk: evanleibovitch
>> Tw: el56
>>
>>
>
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From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org  Sun Feb  9 05:52:34 2014
From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 00:52:34 -0500
Subject: Dumb Apache/LAMP question
In-Reply-To: <CAHcykVozv4h_vtwByoEvodt-cFvZbJJj30Ec5HbzmrWy0L-5AA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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I'm thinking that mod-rewrite wasn't enabled on Apache in this
installation. Would that do it?


On 9 February 2014 00:39, David Thornton <northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Option +Indexes, or possibly DirectoryIndex need index.php for the path in
> question.
>
> David Thornton
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 12:13 AM, ted leslie <ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> gttp://foo.bar/[whatever_path}/  ?
>> above refers to a path not content, is this the issue? try to ref. a
>> image in the dir.
>>
>> It sounds like a MVC issue , just relating it to what i do in asp.net on
>> Mono on linux. I assume php can be set up for MVC, and the path should
>> relate your controller, and like with asp.net (even on apache), it
>> wouldn't be the View of the file as per normal apache View (unless
>> the controller passes on it), it would be the View dictated by the
>> controller (and thus by the path).
>> If you are not doing MVC, then this isn't the issue.
>>
>> -tl
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm having a total brain fart right now with a site.
>>>
>>> It's running Wordpress. Pages that explicitly end in .php are found and
>>> run fine, anything else (which is most of the CMS content) is just giving a
>>> file-not-found 404.
>>>
>>> so
>>>
>>> http://foo.bar/[whatever_path]/foo.php
>>> works fine, but
>>> gttp://foo.bar/[whatever_path}/
>>> gives a 404 file not found, even if the path is correct inside the CMS
>>> (I know it's inside the CMS because the .php files on the admin side
>>> work fine.
>>>
>>> What's missing? What is done to make the content fetched from the CMS
>>> rather than the Apache filesystem?
>>>
>>> Any help is appreciated.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Evan Leibovitch
>>> Toronto Canada
>>>
>>> Em: evan at telly dot org
>>> Sk: evanleibovitch
>>> Tw: el56
>>>
>>>
>>
>


-- 
Evan Leibovitch
Toronto Canada

Em: evan at telly dot org
Sk: evanleibovitch
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From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman)
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 00:56:53 -0500
Subject: Dumb Apache/LAMP question
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On 14-02-09 12:52 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
> I'm thinking that mod-rewrite wasn't enabled on Apache in this 
> installation. Would that do it?

Yup. If mod-rewrite is installed then a correct .htaccess file will
enable it; if it's not installed then you need to install it.

- --Bob.


> On 9 February 2014 00:39, David Thornton <northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Option +Indexes, or possibly DirectoryIndex need index.php for
>> the path in question.
>> 
>> David Thornton
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 12:13 AM, ted leslie
>> <ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> gttp://foo.bar/[whatever_path}/  ? above refers to a path not
>>> content, is this the issue? try to ref. a image in the dir.
>>> 
>>> It sounds like a MVC issue , just relating it to what i do in
>>> asp.net on Mono on linux. I assume php can be set up for MVC,
>>> and the path should relate your controller, and like with
>>> asp.net (even on apache), it wouldn't be the View of the file
>>> as per normal apache View (unless the controller passes on it),
>>> it would be the View dictated by the controller (and thus by
>>> the path). If you are not doing MVC, then this isn't the
>>> issue.
>>> 
>>> -tl
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Evan Leibovitch
>>> <evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm having a total brain fart right now with a site.
>>>> 
>>>> It's running Wordpress. Pages that explicitly end in .php are
>>>> found and run fine, anything else (which is most of the CMS
>>>> content) is just giving a file-not-found 404.
>>>> 
>>>> so
>>>> 
>>>> http://foo.bar/[whatever_path]/foo.php works fine, but 
>>>> gttp://foo.bar/[whatever_path}/ gives a 404 file not found,
>>>> even if the path is correct inside the CMS (I know it's
>>>> inside the CMS because the .php files on the admin side work
>>>> fine.
>>>> 
>>>> What's missing? What is done to make the content fetched from
>>>> the CMS rather than the Apache filesystem?
>>>> 
>>>> Any help is appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> -- Evan Leibovitch Toronto Canada
>>>> 
>>>> Em: evan at telly dot org Sk: evanleibovitch Tw: el56
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org  Sun Feb  9 07:01:18 2014
From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 02:01:18 -0500
Subject: Dumb Apache/LAMP question
In-Reply-To: <52F718A5.2050906-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
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Yup, that was it.

`a2enmod rewrite`, changing the apache conf from  `AllowOverride none`  to
`AllowOverride all` and restarting Apache did it.

Thanks to all who helped me through my stress moments.



On 9 February 2014 00:56, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:

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> On 14-02-09 12:52 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
> > I'm thinking that mod-rewrite wasn't enabled on Apache in this
> > installation. Would that do it?
>
> Yup. If mod-rewrite is installed then a correct .htaccess file will
> enable it; if it's not installed then you need to install it.
>
> - --Bob.
>
>
> > On 9 February 2014 00:39, David Thornton <northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Option +Indexes, or possibly DirectoryIndex need index.php for
> >> the path in question.
> >>
> >> David Thornton
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 12:13 AM, ted leslie
> >> <ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> gttp://foo.bar/[whatever_path}/  ? above refers to a path not
> >>> content, is this the issue? try to ref. a image in the dir.
> >>>
> >>> It sounds like a MVC issue , just relating it to what i do in
> >>> asp.net on Mono on linux. I assume php can be set up for MVC,
> >>> and the path should relate your controller, and like with
> >>> asp.net (even on apache), it wouldn't be the View of the file
> >>> as per normal apache View (unless the controller passes on it),
> >>> it would be the View dictated by the controller (and thus by
> >>> the path). If you are not doing MVC, then this isn't the
> >>> issue.
> >>>
> >>> -tl
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Evan Leibovitch
> >>> <evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I'm having a total brain fart right now with a site.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's running Wordpress. Pages that explicitly end in .php are
> >>>> found and run fine, anything else (which is most of the CMS
> >>>> content) is just giving a file-not-found 404.
> >>>>
> >>>> so
> >>>>
> >>>> http://foo.bar/[whatever_path]/foo.php works fine, but
> >>>> gttp://foo.bar/[whatever_path}/ gives a 404 file not found,
> >>>> even if the path is correct inside the CMS (I know it's
> >>>> inside the CMS because the .php files on the admin side work
> >>>> fine.
> >>>>
> >>>> What's missing? What is done to make the content fetched from
> >>>> the CMS rather than the Apache filesystem?
> >>>>
> >>>> Any help is appreciated.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Evan Leibovitch Toronto Canada
> >>>>
> >>>> Em: evan at telly dot org Sk: evanleibovitch Tw: el56
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
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From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org  Mon Feb 10 02:26:00 2014
From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan)
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:26:00 -0500
Subject: Very well built Web Kiosk distro w/ Porteus Linux
Message-ID: <52F838B8.7080008@ss.org>

So, while working as part of the volunteer IT team for a local 
convention the need for a Web Kiosk came up. Now this is not a difficult 
project and you can spend an afternoon sorting something that meets 
basic needs. But knowing that it's been done dozens of times I actually 
spent some looking for something done 'well'.

What I found was Porteus Linux, Kiosk Edition.

http://build.porteus.org/kiosk/

They have an online configuration system that will build a bootable iso 
tailored to your needs and covers a lot of security scenarios. They 
support hardware all the way back to i486, even to the point of having a 
correct version of flash to handle the lack of SSE instructions.

If you build the iso in hybrid mode, it's ready to dd directly to a 
machines disk. It was a very well put together process and takes care of 
a lot of the holes a DYI job will leave.

Well worth a look when you find yourself in need for this. My build 
choices was only came 54MB in size.

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From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org  Mon Feb 10 15:13:13 2014
From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 10:13:13 -0500
Subject: GTALUG Key Signing Party at the February 2014 Meeting.
Message-ID: <52F8EC89.9040503@mylesbraithwaite.com>

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GTALUG is having a Key Signing Party in the beginning of the next
meeting (11th February 2013, at 7:30pm). If you are interested in
joining in you can find the instructions here:
<http://gtalug.org/keysigning/>.

We are having what is known as an "Informal Key-signing" (where you
would use a government issued ID as your identification), next month I
thinking we could do a "Formal Key-signing" where you would get someone
else to vouch for your identity (this is better for people who don't go
by their real name).

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From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Mon Feb 10 20:44:17 2014
From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 15:44:17 -0500
Subject: Supper...
Message-ID: <CAJUuK_CU2AJUuwvuibTHTd=F-gNm56_hm5tb-vmMCTGwLJiQaw@mail.gmail.com>

For Tuesday's GTALug meeting...

There has been some behind the scenes discussion regarding supper before
the February 2014 GTALug meeting, centered around sushi, but no consensus
regarding which sushi place, so ..

GTALug no longer has an "official" before meeting restaurant
recommendation, but there will be a few of us gathering at "Love at First
Bite"  (96 Gerrard St E, Toronto)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=43.66022&mlon=-79.37758#map=19/43.66022/-79.37758.
All are welcome to join us starting at about 6:00 PM. It will be a
short
walk from "Love at First Bite" to the meeting location.

Do note that this is NOT a GTALug board sanctioned / approved event, which
means that while I hope everyone will be very well behaved, the new GTALug
"Code of Conduct" will not be enforced at "Love at First Bite".

"Love at First Bite" serves both pizza and Thai food.



Colin McGregor
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From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Mon Feb 10 21:30:17 2014
From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:30:17 -0500
Subject: cbc olympic video?
Message-ID: <CAN_Dec8guXMzArJW0U_LR_SKZpht0fqGX+SHUARG4KseRbEnhw@mail.gmail.com>

is anyone else able to access the olympic video on the cbc website?
I've tried now on two computers, a desktop running ubuntu and a laptop
running arch.  both have adobe flashplayer installed, 11.2.xxx
versions.

Any help appreciated, my kids are going nuts!  Thanks,

matt
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From jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org  Mon Feb 10 22:10:16 2014
From: jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:10:16 -0500
Subject: cbc olympic video?
In-Reply-To: <CAN_Dec8guXMzArJW0U_LR_SKZpht0fqGX+SHUARG4KseRbEnhw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <CAN_Dec8guXMzArJW0U_LR_SKZpht0fqGX+SHUARG4KseRbEnhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F94E48.1050402@yaknet.ca>


On 14-02-10 04:30 PM, Matt Price wrote:
> is anyone else able to access the olympic video on the cbc website?
> I've tried now on two computers, a desktop running ubuntu and a laptop
> running arch.  both have adobe flashplayer installed, 11.2.xxx
> versions.
>
> Any help appreciated, my kids are going nuts!  Thanks,
>
> matt
> --

I too noticed this on CBC and CTV videos. Youtube videos still work fine 
and as do AMC Walking Dead webisodes.

I actually installed performed a fresh Mint 16 install and saw the same 
thing. There is further info here on solutions.

http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/114210/how-do-i-watch-protected-flash-videos-such-as-on-nbcolympics-com-using-linux

and here

http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/multi/flash-player-11-problems-playing.html

John








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From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Mon Feb 10 22:12:29 2014
From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:12:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: cbc olympic video?
In-Reply-To: <CAN_Dec8guXMzArJW0U_LR_SKZpht0fqGX+SHUARG4KseRbEnhw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <CAN_Dec8guXMzArJW0U_LR_SKZpht0fqGX+SHUARG4KseRbEnhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1402101659150.26081@redclaw.mimosa.com>

| From: Matt Price <moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>

| is anyone else able to access the olympic video on the cbc website?

I don't know if this is relevant, but it is annoying...

I normally listen to the CBC radio news via podcast.

Those podcasts have been replaced by an announcement:

	Between February 6th and 23rd CBC Radio One news podcasts will
	be unavailable due to Olympics rights restrictions.

So the Olympics owns ALL the news!
  <http://podcast.cbc.ca/w6/worldatsix.mp3>

BTW, the web page says that this "MP3 file: runs NaN minutes"
  <http://www.cbc.ca/w6/>
Someone's got a bug.
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From aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Mon Feb 10 22:22:34 2014
From: aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aruna Hewapathirane)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:22:34 -0500
Subject: cbc olympic video?
In-Reply-To: <CAN_Dec8guXMzArJW0U_LR_SKZpht0fqGX+SHUARG4KseRbEnhw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <CAN_Dec8guXMzArJW0U_LR_SKZpht0fqGX+SHUARG4KseRbEnhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFSeFg-v_Kjbq4xrfnXLdH2M7D-a4SQ0KGPG6Ar+J_v1pbYjxg@mail.gmail.com>

>On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Matt Price <moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>is anyone else able to access the olympic video on the cbc website?
>I've tried now on two computers, a desktop running ubuntu and a laptop
>running arch.  both have adobe flashplayer installed, 11.2.xxx
>versions.

>Any help appreciated, my kids are going nuts!  Thanks,

Matt, this is the only feed I could find that works :
http://www.youtube.com/cbcsports all the others have the flash-player
showing a black empty box :(

Hope this keeps the kids happy for now, I am searching  for work-arounds
but so far zilch !

Aruna
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From andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org  Mon Feb 10 22:24:05 2014
From: andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:24:05 -0500
Subject: cbc olympic video?
In-Reply-To: <CAN_Dec8guXMzArJW0U_LR_SKZpht0fqGX+SHUARG4KseRbEnhw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <CAN_Dec8guXMzArJW0U_LR_SKZpht0fqGX+SHUARG4KseRbEnhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAE8m0GxzhO3PbJEuaVez4EUO32bV=gs1Xo-YoP9BNXM3_5pUg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Matt Price <moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> is anyone else able to access the olympic video on the cbc website?
> I've tried now on two computers, a desktop running ubuntu and a laptop
> running arch.  both have adobe flashplayer installed, 11.2.xxx
> versions.
>
> Any help appreciated, my kids are going nuts!  Thanks,
>

Works fine in Chrome with Flash 12. Didn't work in my stock Firefox
profile, but it's heavily modified so I didn't try to make it work.

FWIW there are a bunch of DRM citations in the right mouse menu under
Chrome, so I'm guessing the player doesn't support a really old Flash
runtime.
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From aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Mon Feb 10 22:42:12 2014
From: aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aruna Hewapathirane)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:42:12 -0500
Subject: cbc olympic video?
In-Reply-To: <CAAE8m0GxzhO3PbJEuaVez4EUO32bV=gs1Xo-YoP9BNXM3_5pUg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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<snip>

> Any help appreciated, my kids are going nuts!  Thanks,
>

> Works fine in Chrome with Flash 12. Didn't work in my stock Firefox
> profile, but it's heavily modified so I didn't try to make it work.
>

Just downloaded Chrome and Andrej was right it works and am using flash
player 11.
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From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 11 13:49:22 2014
From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:49:22 -0500
Subject: cbc olympic video?
In-Reply-To: <CAN_Dec8guXMzArJW0U_LR_SKZpht0fqGX+SHUARG4KseRbEnhw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <CAN_Dec8guXMzArJW0U_LR_SKZpht0fqGX+SHUARG4KseRbEnhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHhcj-O-24JobizJTvovf-kkf6GVv-sB7Cf7nT0MUkvt8XH_+g@mail.gmail.com>

You are going to need pepper flash to solve this issue, version 12.x

Instructions for deb-like distros:

#1 add-apt-repository ppa:skunk/pepper-flash
#2 edit /etc/chromium-browser/default and add ".
/usr/lib/pepflashplugin-installer/pepflashplayer.sh" to the end of the
file
#3 apt-get update && apt-get install pepflashplugin-installer
#4 Done, no more problems with flash-based things.

Hope it helps!

Renata Rocha
http://renata.org


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Matt Price <moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
> is anyone else able to access the olympic video on the cbc website?
> I've tried now on two computers, a desktop running ubuntu and a laptop
> running arch.  both have adobe flashplayer installed, 11.2.xxx
> versions.
>
> Any help appreciated, my kids are going nuts!  Thanks,
>
> matt
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From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 11 14:34:42 2014
From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 09:34:42 -0500
Subject: cbc olympic video?
In-Reply-To: <CAHhcj-O-24JobizJTvovf-kkf6GVv-sB7Cf7nT0MUkvt8XH_+g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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	<CAHhcj-O-24JobizJTvovf-kkf6GVv-sB7Cf7nT0MUkvt8XH_+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN_Dec-RdzLMzLQLemiBXQdwaEpkGJE=EjXyq9Xq=TE6pSjmQw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Renata!  That worked perfectly.  Arch users, it's available
in the AUR -- I used aura to install:

$ sudo aura -A chromium-pepper-flash

CBC dolympics now runs perfectly well in an otherwise stock chromium
browser.  On ubuntu I just installed google-chrome-browser from the
google repos.

I guess Mozilla's Shumway dan't handle DRM yet, or anyway, can't
handle THESE DRM's streamed.

Thanks everyone!

m


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Renata Rocha <natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
> You are going to need pepper flash to solve this issue, version 12.x
>
> Instructions for deb-like distros:
>
> #1 add-apt-repository ppa:skunk/pepper-flash
> #2 edit /etc/chromium-browser/default and add ".
> /usr/lib/pepflashplugin-installer/pepflashplayer.sh" to the end of the
> file
> #3 apt-get update && apt-get install pepflashplugin-installer
> #4 Done, no more problems with flash-based things.
>
> Hope it helps!
>
> Renata Rocha
> http://renata.org
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Matt Price <moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> is anyone else able to access the olympic video on the cbc website?
>> I've tried now on two computers, a desktop running ubuntu and a laptop
>> running arch.  both have adobe flashplayer installed, 11.2.xxx
>> versions.
>>
>> Any help appreciated, my kids are going nuts!  Thanks,
>>
>> matt
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From tehowe-lJUvcdpYuyfIEIWhD7vHkg at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 11 15:15:24 2014
From: tehowe-lJUvcdpYuyfIEIWhD7vHkg at public.gmane.org (Todd Howe)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:15:24 -0500
Subject: cbc olympic video?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1402101659150.26081-zb/h1I55lmemYXyjjU2hqtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <20140211151524.GA10374@signaltonoise.ca>

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 05:12:29PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> I normally listen to the CBC radio news via podcast.
> 
> Those podcasts have been replaced by an announcement:
> 
> 	Between February 6th and 23rd CBC Radio One news podcasts will
> 	be unavailable due to Olympics rights restrictions.
> 
> So the Olympics owns ALL the news!

1. Install MythTV
2. Save HD videos to hard drive.
3. Enjoy victory

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From tehowe-lJUvcdpYuyfIEIWhD7vHkg at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 11 15:22:55 2014
From: tehowe-lJUvcdpYuyfIEIWhD7vHkg at public.gmane.org (Todd Howe)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:22:55 -0500
Subject: Weekend project: Dovecot+Solr for searchable email
In-Reply-To: <52F6ABBF.9060001-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org>
References: <52F6ABBF.9060001@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <20140211152255.GB10374@signaltonoise.ca>

On Sat, Feb 08, 2014 at 05:12:15PM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote:
> So I've decided to give Dovecot and FTS (full text search) a try and am
> very pleased with the results thus far. I'm using their Solr plugin for
> search.
> 
> While I hate Java as a rule, Solr+Lucene is the right tool since it
> gives granular control over how to handle synonyms, stop words, short
> search terms etc. and works on all but the most extreme sized datasets.
> 

That sounds great... index all the things! From my (quick) reading of Solr,
which I'd coincidentally only heard of the day before, you need at least some
subset of a Java EE installation, right? 

I really need to get on that. In the meantime (and for anyone else wanting a
quick and dirty indexed mailbox search), I found that mairix does a good job from
the shell or from within mutt as well.

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From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 11 17:20:57 2014
From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:20:57 -0500
Subject: Logitech K400, Wireless Keyboard/Trackpad all-in-one recommenation
 and tips.
Message-ID: <4fb92846935b6f1dc89335ebb0dd4327.squirrel@acheron.ss.org>

I've been using this keyboard/track pad all in one for well over a year
now. It's got a good feel, has been durable when I transport it around.
I'm also still on the same pair of batteries it shipped with! The dongle
is simple plug and play, and it's great at home or in the data center.
Great with Raspberry Pi or BeagleBone since it only takes up one of the
two USB ports, often eliminating the need for a USB hub.

http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/product/wireless-touch-keyboard-k400r

The only thing I've ever found lacking about it was the lack of a middle
click. I realized today it's easily resolvable in Xorg with good old 3
button emulation. This is where you press both the left and right mouse
buttons simultaneously to generate the missing middle button.

Add somewhere in your xorg.conf's "InputDevice"* section for your mouse.

 Option         "Emulate3Buttons" "yes"

* Consult your distro's xorg documentation as many have adopted modern
practices with xorg.conf.d directories and running defaults without an
xorg.conf.

I bought my first few (two for home, one for the office and another for
the boyfriends HTPC) over the course of a few months when they were
regularly on sale for around ~$35. Now, having just bought another for my
new office it's back up around $55, except from Tiger Direct which has the
white one for $41, but shipping might eat that difference.

http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=580&item_id=043253
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126264
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/search.asp?keywords=Logitech+k400

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From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 11 18:07:48 2014
From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:07:48 -0500
Subject: Logitech K400, Wireless Keyboard/Trackpad all-in-one
 recommenation and tips.
In-Reply-To: <4fb92846935b6f1dc89335ebb0dd4327.squirrel-mb4phVZFrfSXFJAUJl40Xg@public.gmane.org>
References: <4fb92846935b6f1dc89335ebb0dd4327.squirrel@acheron.ss.org>
Message-ID: <CAMguqh14L4is-sYUd4_DJXTt7F1Sma0DAxZ3LJgcHnyx=bovXQ@mail.gmail.com>

Still available at $35.
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12660ID2395&vpn=920-003071
Shipping is $10 unless you add something to the order in which case it's
free.

I have ordered from Direct Canada before and they're OK.

- Evan





On 11 February 2014 12:20, <scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> I've been using this keyboard/track pad all in one for well over a year
> now. It's got a good feel, has been durable when I transport it around.
> I'm also still on the same pair of batteries it shipped with! The dongle
> is simple plug and play, and it's great at home or in the data center.
> Great with Raspberry Pi or BeagleBone since it only takes up one of the
> two USB ports, often eliminating the need for a USB hub.
>
> http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/product/wireless-touch-keyboard-k400r
>
> The only thing I've ever found lacking about it was the lack of a middle
> click. I realized today it's easily resolvable in Xorg with good old 3
> button emulation. This is where you press both the left and right mouse
> buttons simultaneously to generate the missing middle button.
>
> Add somewhere in your xorg.conf's "InputDevice"* section for your mouse.
>
>  Option         "Emulate3Buttons" "yes"
>
> * Consult your distro's xorg documentation as many have adopted modern
> practices with xorg.conf.d directories and running defaults without an
> xorg.conf.
>
> I bought my first few (two for home, one for the office and another for
> the boyfriends HTPC) over the course of a few months when they were
> regularly on sale for around ~$35. Now, having just bought another for my
> new office it's back up around $55, except from Tiger Direct which has the
> white one for $41, but shipping might eat that difference.
>
> http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=580&item_id=043253
> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126264
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/search.asp?keywords=Logitech+k400
>
> --
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>
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From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 11 20:04:54 2014
From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:04:54 -0500
Subject: Weekend project: Dovecot+Solr for searchable email
In-Reply-To: <20140211152255.GB10374-lJUvcdpYuyfIEIWhD7vHkg@public.gmane.org>
References: <52F6ABBF.9060001@utoronto.ca> <20140211152255.GB10374@signaltonoise.ca>
Message-ID: <52FA8266.7000405@gmail.com>

If anyone's tempted to try Recoll for full ~-dir indexing, be advised
that its initial index will bring your computer to a crawl. This text is
appearing on my screen at the same speed as a 300 baud modem simulator,
and I'm running a quad-core i7.

cheers,
 Stewart
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From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 11 20:22:47 2014
From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:22:47 -0500
Subject: Bash alias - Can one use a bunch of words as alias
Message-ID: <CAE9rU+7c-tcp_xc50jjf_x2UJTWofA4-U4zB7ogAPTqwP7jcnQ@mail.gmail.com>

Afternoon,

I am trying to override sudo default user without it being transparent to
the users. This is to avoid having to get calls as users have already been
used to using sudo without specifying user.

So at the moment, we use something like this:

sudo service jboss stop

This does something like this:

William -> root > jboss

I want to change the runas on sudoer file so that it run as follows:

William -> jboss

However, this only work if I use

sudo -u jboss service jboss stop

So I created an alias and its then I realized alias seem to work with only
one word

[root at qa10-yyz-int william]# cat /etc/profile.d/sudo.sh # Initialization
script for bash and sh

# Dont use root as default when restarting jboss, imageserver and file
server alias 'sudo service jboss stop'='sudo -u jboss service jboss stop'
2>/dev/null

[root at qa10-yyz-int william]# alias alias stop='sudo -u bhamilton service
jboss stop'

Is there a way to overcome this issue?

Thanks in advance.

William
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From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 11 22:59:08 2014
From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 17:59:08 -0500
Subject: Bash alias - Can one use a bunch of words as alias
In-Reply-To: <CAE9rU+7c-tcp_xc50jjf_x2UJTWofA4-U4zB7ogAPTqwP7jcnQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <CAE9rU+7c-tcp_xc50jjf_x2UJTWofA4-U4zB7ogAPTqwP7jcnQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FAAB3C.6060506@dinamis.com>

On 02/11/2014 03:22 PM, William Muriithi wrote:
>
> Afternoon,
>
> I am trying to override sudo default user without it being transparent
> to the users. This is to avoid having to get calls as users have
> already been used to using sudo without specifying user.
>

It sounds like the perfect use case for Fabric.
<http://docs.fabfile.org/en/1.8/tutorial.html>

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647-778-8696

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From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 12 14:44:45 2014
From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:44:45 -0500
Subject: cbc olympic video?
In-Reply-To: <CAN_Dec-RdzLMzLQLemiBXQdwaEpkGJE=EjXyq9Xq=TE6pSjmQw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <CAN_Dec8guXMzArJW0U_LR_SKZpht0fqGX+SHUARG4KseRbEnhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHhcj-O-24JobizJTvovf-kkf6GVv-sB7Cf7nT0MUkvt8XH_+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN_Dec-RdzLMzLQLemiBXQdwaEpkGJE=EjXyq9Xq=TE6pSjmQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN_Dec9Ut6A4eBuyWZOhOm4gjNUzvu8EUdKN5JgCBVH7sA6oAg@mail.gmail.com>

One more link -- if you strongly prefer Firefox, there are some
suggestions for getting DRM'ed flash content to work in FF here:

http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/114210/how-do-i-watch-protected-flash-videos-such-as-on-nbcolympics-com-using-linux

It involves installing HAL on your system, which I'm not willing to do
right now -- seems a pretty dirty solution.
m


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Matt Price <moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Thank you Renata!  That worked perfectly.  Arch users, it's available
> in the AUR -- I used aura to install:
>
> $ sudo aura -A chromium-pepper-flash
>
> CBC dolympics now runs perfectly well in an otherwise stock chromium
> browser.  On ubuntu I just installed google-chrome-browser from the
> google repos.
>
> I guess Mozilla's Shumway dan't handle DRM yet, or anyway, can't
> handle THESE DRM's streamed.
>
> Thanks everyone!
>
> m
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Renata Rocha <natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> You are going to need pepper flash to solve this issue, version 12.x
>>
>> Instructions for deb-like distros:
>>
>> #1 add-apt-repository ppa:skunk/pepper-flash
>> #2 edit /etc/chromium-browser/default and add ".
>> /usr/lib/pepflashplugin-installer/pepflashplayer.sh" to the end of the
>> file
>> #3 apt-get update && apt-get install pepflashplugin-installer
>> #4 Done, no more problems with flash-based things.
>>
>> Hope it helps!
>>
>> Renata Rocha
>> http://renata.org
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Matt Price <moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>> is anyone else able to access the olympic video on the cbc website?
>>> I've tried now on two computers, a desktop running ubuntu and a laptop
>>> running arch.  both have adobe flashplayer installed, 11.2.xxx
>>> versions.
>>>
>>> Any help appreciated, my kids are going nuts!  Thanks,
>>>
>>> matt
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From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 12 14:45:19 2014
From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:45:19 -0500
Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?OT=3A_strat=C4=93chery_by_Ben_Thompson_=7C_Strategy=2E_Technol?=
	=?UTF-8?Q?ogy=2E_Pronunciation=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <CAE9rU+6=5gTSn-jBakFOrjES2xMpc63x-ukL1qeUv6UMnLePjg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <CAE9rU+6=5gTSn-jBakFOrjES2xMpc63x-ukL1qeUv6UMnLePjg@mail.gmail.com>
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http://stratechery.com/

This is a bit off topic but interesting article to read. He discuss the
options Microsoft have to execute their mobile strategy now that they have
a new CEO.

I personally think there will be status quo. Too invested on it to dump it.

William
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From stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 12 14:49:33 2014
From: stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org (Stephen W. Clarke)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:49:33 -0500
Subject: Linux Desktop on Android Device?
Message-ID: <0b59eb167f4cce927fd7bc817b825f72.squirrel@nray.ca>

Does anyone on this list know of a tutorial that explains the process for
replacing the OS on an android device with a Linux Desktop? is if even
possible? I assume I'd have to use adb and fastboot, but I'm not sure
exactly what the steps are or the order they need to be done in.

Thanks,
Stephen


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From tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 12 15:00:43 2014
From: tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (Tim Tisdall)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:00:43 -0500
Subject: Linux Desktop on Android Device?
In-Reply-To: <0b59eb167f4cce927fd7bc817b825f72.squirrel-wtWqQT8woy8@public.gmane.org>
References: <0b59eb167f4cce927fd7bc817b825f72.squirrel@nray.ca>
Message-ID: <CAGxYWpa0cF41C=5aoxoAQWEc+AfQ8qvoqoRhMSWkwHSbGmKEfA@mail.gmail.com>

It completely depends on the hardware...  Here's a blog from a guy who has
put Linux on a few different Android devices:  http://jas-hacks.blogspot.ca/

Here's a repo for compiling a kernel for AllWinner CPU's:
https://github.com/linux-sunxi/

Do you have a specific device in mind?


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Stephen W. Clarke <stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Does anyone on this list know of a tutorial that explains the process for
> replacing the OS on an android device with a Linux Desktop? is if even
> possible? I assume I'd have to use adb and fastboot, but I'm not sure
> exactly what the steps are or the order they need to be done in.
>
> Thanks,
> Stephen
>
>
> ____________________
> Stephen W. Clarke
> Marketing and Communications Officer
> Nray Services Inc.
> 56A Head Street
> Dundas, ON L9H 3H7
> CANADA
>
> (905) 627-1302 x14
>
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From stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 12 15:07:30 2014
From: stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org (Stephen W. Clarke)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:07:30 -0500
Subject: Linux Desktop on Android Device?
In-Reply-To: <CAGxYWpa0cF41C=5aoxoAQWEc+AfQ8qvoqoRhMSWkwHSbGmKEfA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <0b59eb167f4cce927fd7bc817b825f72.squirrel@nray.ca>
    <CAGxYWpa0cF41C=5aoxoAQWEc+AfQ8qvoqoRhMSWkwHSbGmKEfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <807772e1ad48f4d42600a65d02a7fa95.squirrel@nray.ca>

Yes, I'm looking at the ACER DA220-HQL.



> It completely depends on the hardware...  Here's a blog from a guy who has
> put Linux on a few different Android devices:
> http://jas-hacks.blogspot.ca/
>
> Here's a repo for compiling a kernel for AllWinner CPU's:
> https://github.com/linux-sunxi/
>
> Do you have a specific device in mind?
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Stephen W. Clarke <stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone on this list know of a tutorial that explains the process
>> for
>> replacing the OS on an android device with a Linux Desktop? is if even
>> possible? I assume I'd have to use adb and fastboot, but I'm not sure
>> exactly what the steps are or the order they need to be done in.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>> ____________________
>> Stephen W. Clarke
>> Marketing and Communications Officer
>> Nray Services Inc.
>> 56A Head Street
>> Dundas, ON L9H 3H7
>> CANADA
>>
>> (905) 627-1302 x14
>>
>> --
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>


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CANADA

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From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 12 15:08:32 2014
From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:08:32 -0500
Subject: Linux Desktop on Android Device?
In-Reply-To: <CAGxYWpa0cF41C=5aoxoAQWEc+AfQ8qvoqoRhMSWkwHSbGmKEfA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <0b59eb167f4cce927fd7bc817b825f72.squirrel@nray.ca>
	<CAGxYWpa0cF41C=5aoxoAQWEc+AfQ8qvoqoRhMSWkwHSbGmKEfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC4o_JLQWQz9ZCGY00fPgOPm40=7tR1jWFdQqwVBqHCOnGHCkw@mail.gmail.com>

Like Tim pointed out, it is so hardware specific that it's rather
non-trivial to do.  Most phones use binary blobs and proprietary hardware
which makes rolling your own Linux rather complicated.  A lot of the Linux
on phones projects actually rely on the Android kernel to boot.  You might
have a look at http://www.ubuntu.com/phone for some details, and there's
also KDE Plasma which can be installed on the Nexus 7 tablet (and possibly
other mobile devices) which has a good community working on it:
https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/Tegra3/Nexus7/PA_installation

Other projects of note are Nemo, Meego, and Mer, which are all working to
bring Linux to mobile devices.

Knowing what hardware you are working with will help to narrow the field a
bit.

-jason


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Tim Tisdall
<tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org>wrote:

> It completely depends on the hardware...  Here's a blog from a guy who has
> put Linux on a few different Android devices:
> http://jas-hacks.blogspot.ca/
>
> Here's a repo for compiling a kernel for AllWinner CPU's:
> https://github.com/linux-sunxi/
>
> Do you have a specific device in mind?
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Stephen W. Clarke <stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org>wrote:
>
>> Does anyone on this list know of a tutorial that explains the process for
>> replacing the OS on an android device with a Linux Desktop? is if even
>> possible? I assume I'd have to use adb and fastboot, but I'm not sure
>> exactly what the steps are or the order they need to be done in.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>> ____________________
>> Stephen W. Clarke
>> Marketing and Communications Officer
>> Nray Services Inc.
>> 56A Head Street
>> Dundas, ON L9H 3H7
>> CANADA
>>
>> (905) 627-1302 x14
>>
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From: tehowe-lJUvcdpYuyfIEIWhD7vHkg at public.gmane.org (Todd Howe)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:13:15 -0500
Subject: Linux Desktop on Android Device?
In-Reply-To: <CAC4o_JLQWQz9ZCGY00fPgOPm40=7tR1jWFdQqwVBqHCOnGHCkw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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> >
> > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Stephen W. Clarke <stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org>wrote:
> >
> >> Does anyone on this list know of a tutorial that explains the process for
> >> replacing the OS on an android device with a Linux Desktop? is if even
> >> possible? I assume I'd have to use adb and fastboot, but I'm not sure
> >> exactly what the steps are or the order they need to be done in.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Stephen

You can actually install the Ubuntu 13.04 desktop from here, but it involves a
lot of mucking around with rooting your device and flashing in a custom recovery
firmware like ClockWorkMod or TeamWinRecovery. Plus, my install died on a recent
update and I wiped it so this is not for the faint of heart but it was fun to play
with. Canonical sadly killed devlopment in that direction. (Not to be confused
with Ubuntu Touch). Also now that I think of it I think it's just for Nexus
devices. 

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation

This leaves us with the Linux on Android Project and Linux Deploy, both of which
will install a chrooted(?) Linux desktop on your phone/tablet which you can then
VNC into. Using AndroidVNC is a bit of a roundabout way to view the desktop but it
works fairly well, and this is far easier than the Ubuntu option I mentioned
above, and provides a good choice of different distros.

http://linuxonandroid.org

I settled on Linux Deploy, it's a newer project and the one Kali Linux uses as well.
Too bad they're not in the FOSS FDroid market yet though - if you've wiped all
the Google spyware and crap off of your device, you'll have to download the apks
using the Chromium 'APK Downloader' extension from the Google Market and sideload
them. Otherwise, it's teh usual point and click from Google Play:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.meefik.linuxdeploy

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From tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 12 16:25:36 2014
From: tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (Tim Tisdall)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:25:36 -0500
Subject: Linux Desktop on Android Device?
In-Reply-To: <807772e1ad48f4d42600a65d02a7fa95.squirrel-wtWqQT8woy8@public.gmane.org>
References: <0b59eb167f4cce927fd7bc817b825f72.squirrel@nray.ca>
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I have no experience with getting Linux running on TI's OMAP.  A quick
Google search gave me this:
http://omappedia.org/wiki/Linux_OMAP_Kernel_Project

Like Jason was saying, though, after you get a kernel running you then have
to figure out how to support all of the different hardware on the device
you have.  Cell phones are brutal because there are usually no open drivers
to communicate with the cell phone components to allow you to actually make
phone calls.  Since you're working with a touch-screen device, you may be
able to get it working, but it'll take a lot of work.  Also, I don't really
know how well the different Linux desktops work with touch screen
interfaces.


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Stephen W. Clarke <stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org>wrote:

> Yes, I'm looking at the ACER DA220-HQL.
>
>
>
> > It completely depends on the hardware...  Here's a blog from a guy who
> has
> > put Linux on a few different Android devices:
> > http://jas-hacks.blogspot.ca/
> >
> > Here's a repo for compiling a kernel for AllWinner CPU's:
> > https://github.com/linux-sunxi/
> >
> > Do you have a specific device in mind?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Stephen W. Clarke <stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Does anyone on this list know of a tutorial that explains the process
> >> for
> >> replacing the OS on an android device with a Linux Desktop? is if even
> >> possible? I assume I'd have to use adb and fastboot, but I'm not sure
> >> exactly what the steps are or the order they need to be done in.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Stephen
> >>
> >>
> >> ____________________
> >> Stephen W. Clarke
> >> Marketing and Communications Officer
> >> Nray Services Inc.
> >> 56A Head Street
> >> Dundas, ON L9H 3H7
> >> CANADA
> >>
> >> (905) 627-1302 x14
> >>
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> Marketing and Communications Officer
> Nray Services Inc.
> 56A Head Street
> Dundas, ON L9H 3H7
> CANADA
>
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From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:43:07 -0500
Subject: Linux Desktop on Android Device?
In-Reply-To: <0b59eb167f4cce927fd7bc817b825f72.squirrel-wtWqQT8woy8@public.gmane.org>
References: <0b59eb167f4cce927fd7bc817b825f72.squirrel@nray.ca>
Message-ID: <20140212174307.GB17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 09:49:33AM -0500, Stephen W. Clarke wrote:
> Does anyone on this list know of a tutorial that explains the process for
> replacing the OS on an android device with a Linux Desktop? is if even
> possible? I assume I'd have to use adb and fastboot, but I'm not sure
> exactly what the steps are or the order they need to be done in.

You would have to get a kernel with the right drivers, and a driver for
the video chip that can run X.

After that, well you would need some way to get the touch screen to work
with X or using a mouse somehow.

The actual booting and replacing the firmware is a trivial minor detail
in the overall task.

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From mwilson-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 12 18:13:26 2014
From: mwilson-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:13:26 -0500
Subject: Recommend a Linux release for very, very non-specialist
Message-ID: <1392228806.4111.6.camel@tecumseth3>

I'm looking for a release to put on my Mom's computer to replace a
totally borked Windows XP (refuses to install new printer drivers,
people who might know aren't helping.)

I need something with a desktop that isn't radically different from the
classic XP with the START button.  Very strong preference for a release
that I can carry down complete on a few DVDs and install without the
Internet.

Killer apps will be LibreOffice, Mahjongg, Image Viewer, and VLC.  Bonus
points if I can get existing Scrabble app to run under Wine.

	Thanks,		Mel.

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From thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 12 18:21:20 2014
From: thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mauro Souza)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 16:21:20 -0200
Subject: Recommend a Linux release for very, very non-specialist
In-Reply-To: <1392228806.4111.6.camel@tecumseth3>
References: <1392228806.4111.6.camel@tecumseth3>
Message-ID: <CAEZ_B6MbWQ5WN4Z7z7dStMztKR2FW30qk0q_H7vm5=zeBg2TLQ@mail.gmail.com>

I would suggest Linux Mint. My wife used windows until we got married, I
installed Mint for her, she never asked about Windows again. She even tells
her friends about Linux...
On Feb 12, 2014 4:14 PM, "Mel Wilson" <mwilson-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> I'm looking for a release to put on my Mom's computer to replace a
> totally borked Windows XP (refuses to install new printer drivers,
> people who might know aren't helping.)
>
> I need something with a desktop that isn't radically different from the
> classic XP with the START button.  Very strong preference for a release
> that I can carry down complete on a few DVDs and install without the
> Internet.
>
> Killer apps will be LibreOffice, Mahjongg, Image Viewer, and VLC.  Bonus
> points if I can get existing Scrabble app to run under Wine.
>
>         Thanks,         Mel.
>
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From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 12 18:23:23 2014
From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:23:23 -0500
Subject: Recommend a Linux release for very, very non-specialist
In-Reply-To: <1392228806.4111.6.camel@tecumseth3>
References: <1392228806.4111.6.camel@tecumseth3>
Message-ID: <282e2bd01adcbe620a1901abedac55d8.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca>

I found Linux Mint very easy to configure and use. I downloaded the ISO,
burned it to a DVD, and then installed from there.

I'm really impressed by how much hardware gets recognized out of the box.
The only thing that it hasn't recognized is a web-cam based microscope.

Peter

> I'm looking for a release to put on my Mom's computer to replace a
> totally borked Windows XP (refuses to install new printer drivers,
> people who might know aren't helping.)
>
> I need something with a desktop that isn't radically different from the
> classic XP with the START button.  Very strong preference for a release
> that I can carry down complete on a few DVDs and install without the
> Internet.
>
> Killer apps will be LibreOffice, Mahjongg, Image Viewer, and VLC.  Bonus
> points if I can get existing Scrabble app to run under Wine.
>
> 	Thanks,		Mel.
>
> --
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-- 
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Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto
http://www.syscompdesign.com
USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator
647-839-0325

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From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 12 18:38:33 2014
From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:38:33 -0500
Subject: Linux Desktop on Android Device?
In-Reply-To: <20140212174307.GB17767-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <0b59eb167f4cce927fd7bc817b825f72.squirrel@nray.ca>
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On Feb 12, 2014 12:44 PM, "Lennart Sorensen" <lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org>
wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 09:49:33AM -0500, Stephen W. Clarke wrote:
> > Does anyone on this list know of a tutorial that explains the process
for
> > replacing the OS on an android device with a Linux Desktop? is if even
> > possible? I assume I'd have to use adb and fastboot, but I'm not sure
> > exactly what the steps are or the order they need to be done in.
>
> You would have to get a kernel with the right drivers, and a driver for
> the video chip that can run X.
>

And I think we don't have an open source video driver yet. Or can nvidia
blobs work on phone? Unlikely I would say.
> After that, well you would need some way to get the touch screen to work
> with X or using a mouse somehow.
>
> The actual booting and replacing the firmware is a trivial minor detail
> in the overall task.
What about baseband? I think as long as we depend on closed source blobs,
its not worth it. Would be too fragile and easy to break during updates.

Hopefully some day, nouveau will be good enough to not bother with blobs.
At that time, I may tinker with mine too.

William
>
William
> --
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From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:57:45 -0500
Subject: Storage Linux BFL
Message-ID: <52FBC429.8060706@gmail.com>


I am drawing a little too much power.

Does anyone have a basement/storage/room that they can let me put a 
small Pc and miner ?

It will draw about 1 to 2 amp.

If you would be able to portforward 2222 only to the linux box

Only ports used with be 2222 ssh.

I will give you root access so you can see history.

You can use the box as a Samba share if you want.

I am not interested in the local lan. DMZ if you want.

I am interested in keeping the miner running. (even if its 60Gh)

Teddy

7800p
bfl60








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From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 12 19:05:19 2014
From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:05:19 -0500
Subject: Storage Linux BFL
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I also forgot.

I have a Litecoin Miner with two 5770s in it.

It wont make a lot of money..about $55 USD per month at this time.

I will give you 100% of whatever the Litecoin makes.

I of course own the hardware :)

Let me know via teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org

Teddy


On 2/12/2014 1:57 PM, teddy wrote:
>
> I am drawing a little too much power.
>
> Does anyone have a basement/storage/room that they can let me put a 
> small Pc and miner ?
>
> It will draw about 1 to 2 amp.
>
> If you would be able to portforward 2222 only to the linux box
>
> Only ports used with be 2222 ssh.
>
> I will give you root access so you can see history.
>
> You can use the box as a Samba share if you want.
>
> I am not interested in the local lan. DMZ if you want.
>
> I am interested in keeping the miner running. (even if its 60Gh)
>
> Teddy
>
> 7800p
> bfl60
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 12 19:12:05 2014
From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:12:05 -0500
Subject: Linux Desktop on Android Device?
In-Reply-To: <CAE9rU+7AQAZ1Q4J6KbSGFy1+EQKQfk5z_uKmk0M8PRBgsdbdHQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <0b59eb167f4cce927fd7bc817b825f72.squirrel@nray.ca>
	<20140212174307.GB17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
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If you're concerned w/ open phones, there's the Open Phoenux project :
http://openphoenux.org/ that builds "as open as possible" hardware that
runs various Linux and/or Androids on them.

-jason


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 1:38 PM, William Muriithi <
william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:

>
> On Feb 12, 2014 12:44 PM, "Lennart Sorensen" <lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 09:49:33AM -0500, Stephen W. Clarke wrote:
> > > Does anyone on this list know of a tutorial that explains the process
> for
> > > replacing the OS on an android device with a Linux Desktop? is if even
> > > possible? I assume I'd have to use adb and fastboot, but I'm not sure
> > > exactly what the steps are or the order they need to be done in.
> >
> > You would have to get a kernel with the right drivers, and a driver for
> > the video chip that can run X.
> >
>
> And I think we don't have an open source video driver yet. Or can nvidia
> blobs work on phone? Unlikely I would say.
>
> > After that, well you would need some way to get the touch screen to work
> > with X or using a mouse somehow.
> >
> > The actual booting and replacing the firmware is a trivial minor detail
> > in the overall task.
> What about baseband? I think as long as we depend on closed source blobs,
> its not worth it. Would be too fragile and easy to break during updates.
>
> Hopefully some day, nouveau will be good enough to not bother with blobs.
> At that time, I may tinker with mine too.
>
> William
> >
> William
> > --
> > LeN Sorensen
> > --
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 12 20:16:16 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 15:16:16 -0500
Subject: Linux Desktop on Android Device?
In-Reply-To: <CAE9rU+7AQAZ1Q4J6KbSGFy1+EQKQfk5z_uKmk0M8PRBgsdbdHQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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 <20140212174307.GB17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
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Message-ID: <20140212201616.GC17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 01:38:33PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote:
> And I think we don't have an open source video driver yet. Or can nvidia
> blobs work on phone? Unlikely I would say.

No, the drivers nvidia releases for the PC are for PC graphics cards.
The graphics in the tegra is not part of that, and also you need an arm
version not x86 version of the driver.

> What about baseband? I think as long as we depend on closed source blobs,
> its not worth it. Would be too fragile and easy to break during updates.

If you want it to actually work as a phone, then I think i would leave
Android on there.  That's going to be a lot of work.

> Hopefully some day, nouveau will be good enough to not bother with blobs.
> At that time, I may tinker with mine too.

I don't know if nouveau is even considering the tegra line at this time.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 12 20:19:32 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 15:19:32 -0500
Subject: Recommend a Linux release for very, very non-specialist
In-Reply-To: <282e2bd01adcbe620a1901abedac55d8.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org>
References: <1392228806.4111.6.camel@tecumseth3>
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On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 01:23:23PM -0500, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote:
> I found Linux Mint very easy to configure and use. I downloaded the ISO,
> burned it to a DVD, and then installed from there.
> 
> I'm really impressed by how much hardware gets recognized out of the box.
> The only thing that it hasn't recognized is a web-cam based microscope.

I will agree with everyone else.  Mint is very nice.  It isn't what _I_
would run on my machine, but it is a very nice distribution for those
that don't want to have to mess with everything to get it working.

I think LMDE is the right one to choose.  The reinstall every release
that the Ubuntu based one uses seems way too stupid to me.

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From aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 12 20:39:23 2014
From: aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aruna Hewapathirane)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 15:39:23 -0500
Subject: Recommend a Linux release for very, very non-specialist
In-Reply-To: <1392228806.4111.6.camel@tecumseth3>
References: <1392228806.4111.6.camel@tecumseth3>
Message-ID: <CAFSeFg8U11YweoruJAMyV+sy2mqQ_fadGLRQ9MQsFgzcRhNyAw@mail.gmail.com>

>I'm looking for a release to put on my Mom's computer to replace a
>totally borked Windows XP (refuses to install new printer drivers,
>people who might know aren't helping.)

Linux Mint as every one else said is a good beginners first choice does
work straight out of the box
without you having to fiddle with anything.

This may help you decide:
http://lifehacker.com/5993297/ubuntu-vs-mint-which-linux-distro-is-better-for-beginners

>I need something with a desktop that isn't radically different from the
>classic XP with the START button.  Very strong preference for a release
>that I can carry down complete on a few DVDs and install without the
>Internet.

There are many Win-XP themes for Ubuntu, I personally prefer the Luna
simply due to it's
almost perfect XP layout, look and feel.

This walks you through the process of installing teh Win-XP theme :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=924k7CyWLJ0

Click this : http://winxp4life.tk/ then click Linux then click Download The
Luna XP Theme for Linux.

Or, Here is the direct download link if your lazy like me :) Download the
Luna XP Theme for
Linux<http://winxp4life.tk/download.php?file=linux_xp_luna_theme_install>

Aruna












> Killer apps will be LibreOffice, Mahjongg, Image Viewer, and VLC.  Bonus
> points if I can get existing Scrabble app to run under Wine.
>
>         Thanks,         Mel.
>
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From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 12 23:23:17 2014
From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 18:23:17 -0500
Subject: Recommend a Linux release for very, very non-specialist
In-Reply-To: <CAFSeFg8U11YweoruJAMyV+sy2mqQ_fadGLRQ9MQsFgzcRhNyAw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <1392228806.4111.6.camel@tecumseth3> <CAFSeFg8U11YweoruJAMyV+sy2mqQ_fadGLRQ9MQsFgzcRhNyAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMua2SH5wcsw2tGsKiks=SpS69MLQQO4dqw0ht8Q=TrrcsGfzA@mail.gmail.com>

I use Linux mint debian edition, and I would just caution that it is super
easy and good for beginners, BUT
since it is pure debian, its also just as powerful, if not more powerful :)
then any other linux out there as well.
To me I want to be able to do anything with my Linux distro, yet not how to
waste time setting up the "typical" stuff (multimedia, etc), and Linux Mint
Debian Edition just gives me the best of all worlds, i.e. easiest to use,
and most powerful. So I am just cautioning that "Easy to use" in this case
doesn't mean its lacking in any way in the "power" department.

-tl


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Aruna Hewapathirane <
aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> >I'm looking for a release to put on my Mom's computer to replace a
> >totally borked Windows XP (refuses to install new printer drivers,
> >people who might know aren't helping.)
>
> Linux Mint as every one else said is a good beginners first choice does
> work straight out of the box
> without you having to fiddle with anything.
>
> This may help you decide:
>
> http://lifehacker.com/5993297/ubuntu-vs-mint-which-linux-distro-is-better-for-beginners
>
> >I need something with a desktop that isn't radically different from the
> >classic XP with the START button.  Very strong preference for a release
> >that I can carry down complete on a few DVDs and install without the
> >Internet.
>
> There are many Win-XP themes for Ubuntu, I personally prefer the Luna
> simply due to it's
> almost perfect XP layout, look and feel.
>
> This walks you through the process of installing teh Win-XP theme :
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=924k7CyWLJ0
>
> Click this : http://winxp4life.tk/ then click Linux then click Download
> The Luna XP Theme for Linux.
>
> Or, Here is the direct download link if your lazy like me :) Download the
> Luna XP Theme for Linux<http://winxp4life.tk/download.php?file=linux_xp_luna_theme_install>
>
> Aruna
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Killer apps will be LibreOffice, Mahjongg, Image Viewer, and VLC.  Bonus
>> points if I can get existing Scrabble app to run under Wine.
>>
>>         Thanks,         Mel.
>>
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From mwilson-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 12 23:42:16 2014
From: mwilson-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 18:42:16 -0500
Subject: Recommend a Linux release for very, very non-specialist
In-Reply-To: <CAFSeFg8U11YweoruJAMyV+sy2mqQ_fadGLRQ9MQsFgzcRhNyAw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <1392228806.4111.6.camel@tecumseth3>
	 <CAFSeFg8U11YweoruJAMyV+sy2mqQ_fadGLRQ9MQsFgzcRhNyAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1392248536.7244.0.camel@tecumseth3>

Thank you all.  I'll start collecting a Linux Mint distro on DVDs now.

	Mel.




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From ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb 13 10:51:58 2014
From: ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (Bill Henderson)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:51:58 +0000
Subject: cbc olympic video?
In-Reply-To: <CAN_Dec9Ut6A4eBuyWZOhOm4gjNUzvu8EUdKN5JgCBVH7sA6oAg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <CAN_Dec8guXMzArJW0U_LR_SKZpht0fqGX+SHUARG4KseRbEnhw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAHhcj-O-24JobizJTvovf-kkf6GVv-sB7Cf7nT0MUkvt8XH_+g@mail.gmail.com>	<CAN_Dec-RdzLMzLQLemiBXQdwaEpkGJE=EjXyq9Xq=TE6pSjmQw@mail.gmail.com> <CAN_Dec9Ut6A4eBuyWZOhOm4gjNUzvu8EUdKN5JgCBVH7sA6oAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FCA3CE.5020502@torfree.net>


On 02/12/2014 02:44 PM, Matt Price wrote:
> One more link

I have always advised that this is a "last resort" referral site.

But should you be stuck with nowhere else to go, try http://azurservers.com.

I originally set it  up as a bike racing referrer and it is heavily 
oriented towards that sport.

The "Allsport" tab is your best bet, but feel free to browse around.

The "Tour Down Under" tab actually links to OZ Channel 9 and has a 
multitude of sports videos if you look around.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb 13 14:29:01 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 09:29:01 -0500
Subject: GTALUG Key Signing Party at the February 2014 Meeting.
In-Reply-To: <52F8EC89.9040503-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
References: <52F8EC89.9040503@mylesbraithwaite.com>
Message-ID: <20140213142901.GE17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:13:13AM -0500, Myles Braithwaite wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> GTALUG is having a Key Signing Party in the beginning of the next
> meeting (11th February 2013, at 7:30pm). If you are interested in
> joining in you can find the instructions here:
> <http://gtalug.org/keysigning/>.
> 
> We are having what is known as an "Informal Key-signing" (where you
> would use a government issued ID as your identification), next month I
> thinking we could do a "Formal Key-signing" where you would get someone
> else to vouch for your identity (this is better for people who don't go
> by their real name).

Has anyone other than Myles and me actually done the last step and sign
the keys and uploaded them to the server?

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From tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb 13 14:42:42 2014
From: tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (Tim Tisdall)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 09:42:42 -0500
Subject: GTALUG Key Signing Party at the February 2014 Meeting.
In-Reply-To: <20140213142901.GE17767-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <52F8EC89.9040503@mylesbraithwaite.com>
	<20140213142901.GE17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <CAGxYWpaFWYQKvSowHZJsmB4HCeXPk6-vdTzW5gc6Vv5AvqXT4g@mail.gmail.com>

I enjoy the plausible deniability of unsigned emails.  ^_^

- Tim  (, maybe)


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Lennart Sorensen <
lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:13:13AM -0500, Myles Braithwaite wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > GTALUG is having a Key Signing Party in the beginning of the next
> > meeting (11th February 2013, at 7:30pm). If you are interested in
> > joining in you can find the instructions here:
> > <http://gtalug.org/keysigning/>.
> >
> > We are having what is known as an "Informal Key-signing" (where you
> > would use a government issued ID as your identification), next month I
> > thinking we could do a "Formal Key-signing" where you would get someone
> > else to vouch for your identity (this is better for people who don't go
> > by their real name).
>
> Has anyone other than Myles and me actually done the last step and sign
> the keys and uploaded them to the server?
>
> --
> Len Sorensen
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb 13 14:52:06 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 09:52:06 -0500
Subject: GTALUG Key Signing Party at the February 2014 Meeting.
In-Reply-To: <CAGxYWpaFWYQKvSowHZJsmB4HCeXPk6-vdTzW5gc6Vv5AvqXT4g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <52F8EC89.9040503@mylesbraithwaite.com>
 <20140213142901.GE17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
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Message-ID: <20140213145206.GF17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 09:42:42AM -0500, Tim Tisdall wrote:
> I enjoy the plausible deniability of unsigned emails.  ^_^

I do not intend to start signing everything. :)

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From bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb 13 17:12:31 2014
From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 12:12:31 -0500
Subject: Recommend a Linux release for very, very non-specialist
In-Reply-To: <1392248536.7244.0.camel@tecumseth3>
References: <1392228806.4111.6.camel@tecumseth3>	 <CAFSeFg8U11YweoruJAMyV+sy2mqQ_fadGLRQ9MQsFgzcRhNyAw@mail.gmail.com> <1392248536.7244.0.camel@tecumseth3>
Message-ID: <52FCFCFF.7090307@sobac.com>

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Another +1 for Linux Mint here. I use the Mate desktop. The Power Menu
button on the bottom Gnome panel works similarly to the Windows Start
button, so there's a bit of familiarity right there.

I've was using Mate on Ubuntu for over a year, and Linux Mint 16 with
Mate since just before Christmas. I think I'll switch my OS to Linux
Mint Debian Edition to get the rolling release, but I'll keep the Mate
desktop. There's a refresh of LMDE to be released sometime this month,
so that's convenient timing for me.

- --Bob.

On 14-02-12 06:42 PM, Mel Wilson wrote:
> Thank you all.  I'll start collecting a Linux Mint distro on DVDs
> now.
> 
> Mel.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb 13 19:56:50 2014
From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:56:50 -0500
Subject: Recommend a Linux release for very, very non-specialist
In-Reply-To: <1392228806.4111.6.camel@tecumseth3>
References: <1392228806.4111.6.camel@tecumseth3>
Message-ID: <52FD2382.5040804@gmail.com>

Not XP-like, but very pretty is elementary OS
<http://elementaryos.org/>. Very clean UX, quite snappy. Only two
complaints:

* it doesn't allow you to leave stuff on the desktop

* the Download link is disguised as a "Donate $10" link. You don't have
to pay, but the PayPal pop-under is a bit sleazy.

 Stewart
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From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Fri Feb 14 16:54:57 2014
From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 11:54:57 -0500
Subject: SystemD on Debian
Message-ID: <CAFNqd5Vpg8KenvVpsgEZyxBNRjHhhMNHLwP2+p0jn2mgv+92vQ@mail.gmail.com>

People have doubtless heard of the "Debian Init controversy" <
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd>

The following two emails represent the summarization of voting on the
matter that took place the other day.

The technicalities of how they analyzed the votes to come to conclusion are
reasonably interesting.

All members of the committee voted on all the options, which led to various
"pairwise defeats" of a number of the options, bringing the feasible
options down to ( U, D ) (e.g. - Upstart and SystemD).  Chairman BDale held
a further deciding vote, which went to SystemD.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00402.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00405.html

Debian docs on SystemD...
https://wiki.debian.org/systemd

Relevant news today that is of interest; Mark Shuttleworth blogged <
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316> that he will be asking for
Ubuntu to adopt SystemD as well.
-- 
When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the
question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"
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From tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org  Fri Feb 14 17:00:32 2014
From: tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (Tim Tisdall)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 12:00:32 -0500
Subject: SystemD on Debian
In-Reply-To: <CAFNqd5Vpg8KenvVpsgEZyxBNRjHhhMNHLwP2+p0jn2mgv+92vQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <CAFNqd5Vpg8KenvVpsgEZyxBNRjHhhMNHLwP2+p0jn2mgv+92vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGxYWpZqbq7EfPr+ij_j-TCVYoUis6cWucrkkE8gGAoWbyOWkA@mail.gmail.com>

I was just starting to learn and like Upstart!  It allowed me to run code
as a daemon even if it hadn't been developed to properly fork as a daemon.


On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Christopher Browne <cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>wrote:

> People have doubtless heard of the "Debian Init controversy" <
> https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd>
>
> The following two emails represent the summarization of voting on the
> matter that took place the other day.
>
> The technicalities of how they analyzed the votes to come to conclusion
> are reasonably interesting.
>
> All members of the committee voted on all the options, which led to
> various "pairwise defeats" of a number of the options, bringing the
> feasible options down to ( U, D ) (e.g. - Upstart and SystemD).  Chairman
> BDale held a further deciding vote, which went to SystemD.
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00402.html
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00405.html
>
> Debian docs on SystemD...
> https://wiki.debian.org/systemd
>
> Relevant news today that is of interest; Mark Shuttleworth blogged <
> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316> that he will be asking for
> Ubuntu to adopt SystemD as well.
> --
> When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the
> question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"
>
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From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Fri Feb 14 22:10:55 2014
From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 17:10:55 -0500
Subject: SystemD on Debian
In-Reply-To: <CAFNqd5Vpg8KenvVpsgEZyxBNRjHhhMNHLwP2+p0jn2mgv+92vQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <CAFNqd5Vpg8KenvVpsgEZyxBNRjHhhMNHLwP2+p0jn2mgv+92vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FE946F.5050002@gmail.com>

Will this mean I get to be able to do
'/etc/init.d/misbehaving_daemon stop' again without my computer telling
me sarcastically that I should do 'some_other_command
misbehaving_daemon' to stop it, even if it knew what I meant?

If so, I'm in favour. That's my third pet peeve after
1.) 'deprecated' options which worked just fine for the last 25 years;
2.) 'command -h' returning 'please type "command --help" for help'.

 Stewart
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From lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Fri Feb 14 22:18:12 2014
From: lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Digimer)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 17:18:12 -0500
Subject: SystemD on Debian
In-Reply-To: <52FE946F.5050002-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <52FE9624.2090704@alteeve.ca>

On 14/02/14 05:10 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote:
> Will this mean I get to be able to do
> '/etc/init.d/misbehaving_daemon stop' again without my computer telling
> me sarcastically that I should do 'some_other_command
> misbehaving_daemon' to stop it, even if it knew what I meant?
>
> If so, I'm in favour. That's my third pet peeve after
> 1.) 'deprecated' options which worked just fine for the last 25 years;
> 2.) 'command -h' returning 'please type "command --help" for help'.
>
>   Stewart

You still need to get used to systemd.

====
lemass:/home/digimer# /etc/init.d/httpd status
bash: /etc/init.d/httpd: No such file or directory

lemass:/home/digimer# systemctl status httpd.service
httpd.service - The Apache HTTP Server
    Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/httpd.service; enabled)
    Active: active (running) since Wed 2014-02-12 08:54:23 EST; 2 days ago
  Main PID: 898 (httpd)
    Status: "Total requests: 1705; Current requests/sec: 0; Current 
traffic:   0 B/sec"
    CGroup: /system.slice/httpd.service
            ??  898 /usr/sbin/httpd -DFOREGROUND
            ?? 1134 /usr/sbin/httpd -DFOREGROUND
            ?? 1136 /usr/sbin/httpd -DFOREGROUND
            ?? 1137 /usr/sbin/httpd -DFOREGROUND
            ?? 1138 /usr/sbin/httpd -DFOREGROUND
            ?? 1139 /usr/sbin/httpd -DFOREGROUND
            ?? 2738 /usr/sbin/httpd -DFOREGROUND
            ?? 3783 /usr/sbin/httpd -DFOREGROUND
            ??18978 /usr/sbin/httpd -DFOREGROUND
            ??18981 /usr/sbin/httpd -DFOREGROUND
            ??23549 /usr/sbin/httpd -DFOREGROUND

Feb 12 08:54:23 lemass.alteeve.ca systemd[1]: Starting The Apache HTTP 
Server...
Feb 12 08:54:23 lemass.alteeve.ca httpd[898]: AH00558: httpd: Could not 
reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 
lemass.alteeve.ca. Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress 
this message
Feb 12 08:54:23 lemass.alteeve.ca systemd[1]: Started The Apache HTTP 
Server.
====

That sysvinit worked for 25 years is not a reason to stay stuck in the 
past. If you don't learn the new tools, you will become less useful as 
the world moves on.

This is true as a general statement across the board. We've been through 
this many times before... Adapt or become irrelevant.

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From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb 15 01:35:09 2014
From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 20:35:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: SystemD on Debian
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| From: Digimer <lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org>

| If you don't learn the new tools, you will become less useful as the world
| moves on.

It would help if the new tools were enough better to be worth the
bother.

My current opinion is that SystemD is worth the bother.
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From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb 15 17:42:37 2014
From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 12:42:37 -0500
Subject: SystemD on Debian
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1402142033310.26081-zb/h1I55lmemYXyjjU2hqtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
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On 14-02-14 08:35 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> 
> My current opinion is that SystemD is worth the bother.

I wasn't doubting that the internals were better, and agree that newer
tools are usually better. But from a user point of view, why completely
remove the familiar interface of

 /etc/init.d/daemon start|stop|restart|status

?

For most people, SystemD only starts and stops services we need to get
our work done.

cheers,
 Stewart

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From bdwalton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb 15 17:48:26 2014
From: bdwalton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ben Walton)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 17:48:26 +0000
Subject: SystemD on Debian
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My experience with upstart makes me want to cry. No way to install, but not
run a daemon where that choice is preserved across package updates? Really?
(Granted, this may now be fixed...)

Like many things originating from the Ubuntu world, I consider upstart to
be an OK idea that's never implemented fully/completely enough to realize
it's potential.

Thanks
-Ben
On Feb 14, 2014 5:01 PM, "Tim Tisdall" <tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> I was just starting to learn and like Upstart!  It allowed me to run code
> as a daemon even if it hadn't been developed to properly fork as a daemon.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Christopher Browne <cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>wrote:
>
>> People have doubtless heard of the "Debian Init controversy" <
>> https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd>
>>
>> The following two emails represent the summarization of voting on the
>> matter that took place the other day.
>>
>> The technicalities of how they analyzed the votes to come to conclusion
>> are reasonably interesting.
>>
>> All members of the committee voted on all the options, which led to
>> various "pairwise defeats" of a number of the options, bringing the
>> feasible options down to ( U, D ) (e.g. - Upstart and SystemD).  Chairman
>> BDale held a further deciding vote, which went to SystemD.
>>
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00402.html
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00405.html
>>
>> Debian docs on SystemD...
>> https://wiki.debian.org/systemd
>>
>> Relevant news today that is of interest; Mark Shuttleworth blogged <
>> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316> that he will be asking
>> for Ubuntu to adopt SystemD as well.
>> --
>> When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the
>> question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"
>>
>
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From northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb 15 18:30:28 2014
From: northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Thornton)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 13:30:28 -0500
Subject: Linux Desktop on Android Device?
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why linux on mobile device?


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Lennart Sorensen <
lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 01:38:33PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote:
> > And I think we don't have an open source video driver yet. Or can nvidia
> > blobs work on phone? Unlikely I would say.
>
> No, the drivers nvidia releases for the PC are for PC graphics cards.
> The graphics in the tegra is not part of that, and also you need an arm
> version not x86 version of the driver.
>
> > What about baseband? I think as long as we depend on closed source blobs,
> > its not worth it. Would be too fragile and easy to break during updates.
>
> If you want it to actually work as a phone, then I think i would leave
> Android on there.  That's going to be a lot of work.
>
> > Hopefully some day, nouveau will be good enough to not bother with blobs.
> > At that time, I may tinker with mine too.
>
> I don't know if nouveau is even considering the tegra line at this time.
>
> --
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From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb 15 18:37:54 2014
From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 13:37:54 -0500
Subject: SystemD on Debian
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This is definitely an area that warrants a talk, with something of a
round-table, so we can share experiences, as systemd is a daemon launcher
that's clearly gotten the critical mass that it'll be used on most Linux
distributions forthcoming.

The place that I'm a bit worried (and ignorance spawns worry, here) is that
I'm normally pretty comfortable with /etc/init.d in that the directory
structure there gives me, in "Unix Philosophy" manner, reasonable 'hooks'
for debugging and figuring out what's going on at Init time.  In contrast,
I don't know how SystemD is structured, and some of what I see gives me a
bit of non-warm-fuzzy in that I'm hearing what sounds rather like captive
user interfaces.  Impressions may be wrong; I hope so, and that the
configuration and behaviour is reasonably explorable.

On the "hope cool stuff is possible" side, it would be rather neat if
SystemD can be used in user space to help manage user-owned daemons; I
commonly have a few of those.

For instance, on a development box, I normally want to have a bunch of
Postgres instances of varying versions kicking about.  I use SysV Init
style start scripts for that, though consciously NOT integrated into
/etc/init.d; they live in a user account area.  It would be rather neat if
SystemD could help with those, too.
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From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb 15 22:32:21 2014
From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 17:32:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Linux Desktop on Android Device?
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| From: Lennart Sorensen <lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org>

| > Hopefully some day, nouveau will be good enough to not bother with blobs.
| > At that time, I may tinker with mine too.
| 
| I don't know if nouveau is even considering the tegra line at this time.

Here's a noted recent posting by nVidia "[RFC 00/16] drm/nouveau:
initial support for GK20A (Tegra K1)".
  <http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2014-January/053028.html>
  <http://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/760709-nvidia-patch-release-for-tegra-k1-offers-hope-to-open-source-developers>

Perhaps this is  a sign of desperation :-)
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From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sun Feb 16 21:28:02 2014
From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 16:28:02 -0500
Subject: SystemD on Debian
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> This is definitely an area that warrants a talk, with something of a
round-table, so we can share experiences, as systemd is a daemon launcher
that's clearly gotten the critical mass that it'll be used on most Linux
distributions forthcoming.
>

No doubt, look like there is no avoiding it.  Petty much all the big
distributions are on it and it is just a matter of time and will be history.

Now, what happen to BSD? Are they likely to follow along too? I remember a
lot of people didn't want anything to do with it - came up when discussing
udev if i remember correctly - and even Windows developers make fun of it,
but it has overcome all that resistance.

> The place that I'm a bit worried (and ignorance spawns worry, here) is
that I'm normally pretty comfortable with /etc/init.d in that the directory
structure there gives me, in "Unix Philosophy" manner, reasonable 'hooks'
for debugging and figuring out what's going on at Init time.  In contrast,
I don't know how SystemD is structured, and some of what I see gives me a
bit of non-warm-fuzzy in that I'm hearing what sounds rather like captive
user interfaces.

It actually have a binary log, what gives, granted it allow the rsyslog
too, but weren't we all making fun of windows binary configuration for
decades to take the same route now?

>
> On the "hope cool stuff is possible" side, it would be rather neat if
SystemD can be used in user space to help manage user-owned daemons; I
commonly have a few of those.
>
When I read this mail first, the first thing I thought was to look for a
book on the subject at Amazon.  None exist, a great opportunity for any
entrepreneur here. If one is well ahead and have mastered it, I think it
could make money.

Without a book, a tlug round table discussion would be great so I add my
vote to the idea.

William
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From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Mon Feb 17 06:25:26 2014
From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 01:25:26 -0500
Subject: VM as Cable Modem FW
Message-ID: <CAOO1Mfvvz9rFCneHb6Wzd7Gqf_+F1-=9Lp3ekrzJ0g5+N7_E9g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,
has anyone used a VM for a cable modem firewall?
I tried it once but was unable to get an IP Address from my provider (my VM
host got an IP but not the VM)

My current setup is

Cable Modem <- OpenBSD -> Internal LAN

I would like to replace the firewall device with a VM. Has anyone tried
this before?
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From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org  Mon Feb 17 16:06:54 2014
From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 11:06:54 -0500
Subject: VM as Cable Modem FW
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Using a bridged device I don't see why that would not work.  Cable is
simple dhcp.

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From adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org  Mon Feb 17 17:33:09 2014
From: adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 12:33:09 -0500
Subject: SystemD on Debian
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William Muriithi wrote:
> > This is definitely an area that warrants a talk, with something of a
> round-table, so we can share experiences, as systemd is a daemon launcher
> that's clearly gotten the critical mass that it'll be used on most Linux
> distributions forthcoming.
> >
> 
> No doubt, look like there is no avoiding it.  Petty much all the big
> distributions are on it and it is just a matter of time and will be history.
> 
> Now, what happen to BSD? Are they likely to follow along too? I remember a
> lot of people didn't want anything to do with it - came up when discussing
> udev if i remember correctly - and even Windows developers make fun of it,
> but it has overcome all that resistance.

The sticky bit there is that systemd uses cgroup support from the Linux
kernel to help differentiate processes that belong to each daemon it
started.  Whether it would be hard or difficult to implement the same or
equivalent in a BSD kernel, or whether it offends the aesthetic sense of
their kernel developers to even go there, would be an issue.

Looking a bit deeper, it also wants inotify (another Linux-specific API)
and a few other specific kernel config flags.

With my old Unix hat on, I'm remembering too many times that vendors
would come out with some proprietary feature that would only work on
their boxes, and it would fragment the community as some would climb on
that bandwagon and others would stick with the common denominator that
all the boxes they had to support had.  I know the label "PROPRIETARY"
isn't supposed to stick to Linux, but these features are working that
way.

Bottom line is that evolution is going to happen to BSD, one way or
other.

The old SysV (and V7 before that) ways of starting all the daemons
certainly weren't perfect; we've had a number of initiatives toward
doing something better, and one of them has finally gained a critical
mass.  Time to move forward and see how it works.

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From davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 18 14:08:15 2014
From: davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 09:08:15 -0500
Subject: dual sim cell phones
Message-ID: <CADK3HHLu94VypE08=5t3w4GhK4J27mFvWTPCXro-cj8b8dNc-A@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for a dual sim phone as I will be spending some time in the
states and would like my existing number to still work.

Most of the dual sim phones are from china and apparently much of the
translation is not done. Some of them are allegedly not very good at
switching between sims.

Anyone have any experience good or bad to share. Or possibly another way to
do this. For instance is it possible to forward SMS ?

Dave Cramer
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 18 14:53:33 2014
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 09:53:33 -0500
Subject: dual sim cell phones
In-Reply-To: <CADK3HHLu94VypE08=5t3w4GhK4J27mFvWTPCXro-cj8b8dNc-A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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Dave Cramer wrote:
> I'm looking for a dual sim phone as I will be spending some time in
> the states and would like my existing number to still work.
>
> Most of the dual sim phones are from china and apparently much of the
> translation is not done. Some of them are allegedly not very good at
> switching between sims.
>
> Anyone have any experience good or bad to share. Or possibly another
> way to do this. For instance is it possible to forward SMS ?
>  
> Dave Cramer

One possibility is to get the U.S. SIM and forward your calls to that
number.  I'm with Rogers and it's possible to do that with the dial pad
on the phone.  Depending on your plan, it may also be possible to do the
same with a web browser.

Here is some info I received from Rogers.  It should be the same for
other providers.

*Call Forward / Call Waiting Star Codes*

*Note:* If you have a voicemail active on your account, you will only be
able to perform the unconditional call forwarding (forwards all calls). 
Any conditioncal call forwarding will not register on the network.

To perform call forwarding, go to the phone application on your device
and dial these numbers.  Then press send once you have entered the code.

Forward All Calls
- Activate   *21*[10 Digit Phone Number]#
- Cancel & De-register  ##21#
- Cancel & Retain  #21#
- Status   *#21#
- Re-establish   *21#

Forward if Busy
- Activate   *67*[10 Digit Phone Number]#
- Cancel & De-register  ##67#
- Cancel & Retain  #67#
- Status   *#67#
- Re-establish   *67#

Forward if Not Answered
- Activate   *61*[10 Digit Phone Number]#
- Cancel & De-register  ##61#
- Cancel & Retain  #61#
- Status   *#61#
- Re-establish   *61#

Forward if Out of Reach
- Activate   *62*[10 Digit Phone Number]#
- Cancel & De-register  ##62#
- Cancel & Retain  #62#
- Status   *#62#
- Re-establish   *62#

Simultaneously perform *ALL FOUR* forwards:
- Activate   *002*[10 Digit Phone Number]#
- Cancel & De-register  ##002#
- Cancel & Retain  #002#
- Re-establish   *002#

Simultaneously perform *ALL Conditional* Forwards:

- Activate   *004*[10 Digit Phone Number]#
- Cancel & De-register  ##004#
- Cancel & Retain  #004#
- Re-establish   *004#

*Call Waiting *

Star Code
 Result
 
*43#
 Activate Call Waiting
 
#43#
 Deactivate Call Waiting
 
*#43#
 Check status of Call Waiting
 
Star Code
 Result
 
*#06#
 Displays the IMEI number
 
#31#
 Temp block outgoing caller ID
 
#686# (#NUM#)
 Displays mobile number
 
#326# (#FAM#)
 Displays the individual line usage (limits) on Family Allowances (TMo)
 
#793# (#PWD#)
 Resets your voicemail password to the last for digits of your mobile number
 
*#*#8351#*#*
 Voice Dialer Logging Enabled
 
*#*#8350#*#*
 Voice Dialer Logging Disabled
 
*#*#4636#*#*
 Phone Setting
 
**05***#
 PUK Unlock (from emergency dial screen)
 
*#*#7262626#*#*
 Enter Field Test Mode
 
*3001#12345#*
 Enter Field Test Mode on iPhone


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From tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 18 14:57:36 2014
From: tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (Tim Tisdall)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 09:57:36 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
Message-ID: <CAGxYWpa-WfLOGdYW4k3w4b4CZKzcOMQw0o-+nN53vSaskMMj2Q@mail.gmail.com>

I had something strange and quite annoying happen yesterday and wanted to
know if anyone else has ever had a similar experience...

I ran the recovery partition on my Acer Aspire laptop.  I was given 3
options:  reset to factory settings, re-install windows but keep user
settings, and exit.  I chose "exit".  However, after the system rebooted I
was then shown the grub recovery prompt with a message that the partition
didn't exist.

After some investigation with a bootable USB drive I discovered that my
Linux partition had been deleted!  Thankfully testdisk was able to recover
the partition for me, but what happened??  The recovery partition seems to
go ahead and delete your Linux partitions without asking.

-Tim
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From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 10:38:05 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
In-Reply-To: <CAGxYWpa-WfLOGdYW4k3w4b4CZKzcOMQw0o-+nN53vSaskMMj2Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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On 14-02-18 09:57 AM, Tim Tisdall wrote:
> I had something strange and quite annoying happen yesterday and wanted 
> to know if anyone else has ever had a similar experience...
>
> I ran the recovery partition on my Acer Aspire laptop.  I was given 3 
> options:  reset to factory settings, re-install windows but keep user 
> settings, and exit.  I chose "exit".  However, after the system 
> rebooted I was then shown the grub recovery prompt with a message that 
> the partition didn't exist.
>
> After some investigation with a bootable USB drive I discovered that 
> my Linux partition had been deleted!  Thankfully testdisk was able to 
> recover the partition for me, but what happened??  The recovery 
> partition seems to go ahead and delete your Linux partitions without 
> asking.
>
Yeah, I had a similar experience with Windows but it didn't delete 
partitions it just moved them around, so swap was no longer sda3 but 
sda6.  I deleted windows from my computer and have been worry free ever 
since.

Randy



> -Tim

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From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 18 15:47:52 2014
From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 10:47:52 -0500
Subject: dual sim cell phones
In-Reply-To: <CADK3HHLu94VypE08=5t3w4GhK4J27mFvWTPCXro-cj8b8dNc-A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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> I'm looking for a dual sim phone as I will be spending some time in the
states and would like my existing number to still work.
>
> Most of the dual sim phones are from china and apparently much of the
translation is not done. Some of them are allegedly not very good at
switching between sims.
>
Samsung has a dual SIM phone. Its a dumb phone, not smartphone in any way
but work well and its interface is purely English.

I don't know if they sell it in Canada though, its more popular in Africa
as people carry 3 or 4 phones to avoid calling between carriers. I mean its
cheaper to call within a carrier so a phone for every carrier seem to be
the norm.
> Anyone have any experience good or bad to share. Or possibly another way
to do this. For instance is it possible to forward SMS ?

And you pay long distance charges if your plan don't allow you to call US
without extra charge.
>
> Dave Cramer
William
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From tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 18 16:01:41 2014
From: tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (Tim Tisdall)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:01:41 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
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Are you talking about using the recovery partition or installation disk, or
just during the regular usage of Windows?

Unfortunately there's always something that requires me to go back to
Windows so I keep it around just in case.


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Randy Jonasz <rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On 14-02-18 09:57 AM, Tim Tisdall wrote:
>
>> I had something strange and quite annoying happen yesterday and wanted to
>> know if anyone else has ever had a similar experience...
>>
>> I ran the recovery partition on my Acer Aspire laptop.  I was given 3
>> options:  reset to factory settings, re-install windows but keep user
>> settings, and exit.  I chose "exit".  However, after the system rebooted I
>> was then shown the grub recovery prompt with a message that the partition
>> didn't exist.
>>
>> After some investigation with a bootable USB drive I discovered that my
>> Linux partition had been deleted!  Thankfully testdisk was able to recover
>> the partition for me, but what happened??  The recovery partition seems to
>> go ahead and delete your Linux partitions without asking.
>>
>>  Yeah, I had a similar experience with Windows but it didn't delete
> partitions it just moved them around, so swap was no longer sda3 but sda6.
>  I deleted windows from my computer and have been worry free ever since.
>
> Randy
>
>
>
>  -Tim
>>
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From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 17:08:12 +0100
Subject: dual sim cell phones
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On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 4:47 PM, William Muriithi
<william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for a dual sim phone as I will be spending some time in the
>> states and would like my existing number to still work.
>>
>> Most of the dual sim phones are from china and apparently much of the
>> translation is not done. Some of them are allegedly not very good at
>> switching between sims.
>>
> Samsung has a dual SIM phone. Its a dumb phone, not smartphone in any way
> but work well and its interface is purely English.

They have a dual-sim Android phone too:

http://www.samsung.com/ae/consumer/mobile-phones/mobile-phones/dual-sim

It's sold in Germany:

http://www.amazon.de/Samsung-Smartphone-Prozessor-Touchscreen-microSD-Kartenslot/dp/B0096LU8AG

I've never tried it and not sure how to get it in Canada short of eBay.

But given the costs of a new phone, James' suggestion is reasonable.
Cheaper might be to have a second cheap, small feature phone.


-Mike
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From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 18 16:08:15 2014
From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:08:15 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
In-Reply-To: <CAGxYWpaQmtA8M=YJUPeHYV6=_QtM196te0XfdnDqn+zOtD5r0Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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On 14-02-18 11:01 AM, Tim Tisdall wrote:
> Are you talking about using the recovery partition or installation 
> disk, or just during the regular usage of Windows?
I used the recovery partition to reset Windows to factory default before 
upgrading to 8.1.  I then discovered my partitions had been moved around 
without any warning.  Go figure.


> Unfortunately there's always something that requires me to go back to 
> Windows so I keep it around just in case.
After I removed Windows, I got a company version of Windows 7 for 
testing and put it in Virtual Box.  There Microsoft cannot screw up my 
computer.

Randy
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Randy Jonasz <rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org 
> <mailto:rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>> wrote:
>
>     On 14-02-18 09:57 AM, Tim Tisdall wrote:
>
>         I had something strange and quite annoying happen yesterday
>         and wanted to know if anyone else has ever had a similar
>         experience...
>
>         I ran the recovery partition on my Acer Aspire laptop.  I was
>         given 3 options:  reset to factory settings, re-install
>         windows but keep user settings, and exit.  I chose "exit".
>          However, after the system rebooted I was then shown the grub
>         recovery prompt with a message that the partition didn't exist.
>
>         After some investigation with a bootable USB drive I
>         discovered that my Linux partition had been deleted!
>          Thankfully testdisk was able to recover the partition for me,
>         but what happened??  The recovery partition seems to go ahead
>         and delete your Linux partitions without asking.
>
>     Yeah, I had a similar experience with Windows but it didn't delete
>     partitions it just moved them around, so swap was no longer sda3
>     but sda6.  I deleted windows from my computer and have been worry
>     free ever since.
>
>     Randy
>
>
>
>         -Tim
>
>
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 18 16:17:29 2014
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:17:29 -0500
Subject: dual sim cell phones
In-Reply-To: <CAPYt=DEg+aH1TnY1xDR0Xnwxm5VtBiX7FesKVqaQMuW2yKde6Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <53038799.4040802@rogers.com>

Mike Kallies wrote:
> They have a dual-sim Android phone too:
>
> http://www.samsung.com/ae/consumer/mobile-phones/mobile-phones/dual-sim
>
> It's sold in Germany:
>
> http://www.amazon.de/Samsung-Smartphone-Prozessor-Touchscreen-microSD-Kartenslot/dp/B0096LU8AG
>
> I've never tried it and not sure how to get it in Canada short of eBay.

If buying a phone outside of North America, verify that it properly
covers the bands used here.  I have a Google Nexus 5 and there is a
significant difference in bands covered.

Here's the info for my phone

  *
      o 2G/3G/4G LTE
      o  
      o North America:
      o GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
      o CDMA: Band Class: 0/1/10
      o WCDMA: Bands: 1/2/4/5/6/8/19
      o LTE: Bands: 1/2/4/5/17/19/25/26/41
      o  
      o Rest of World:
      o GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
      o WCDMA: Bands: 1/2/4/5/6/8
      o LTE: Bands: 1/3/5/7/8/20


We get more bands than elsewhere.

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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 18 16:27:29 2014
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:27:29 -0500
Subject: dual sim cell phones
In-Reply-To: <CADK3HHLu94VypE08=5t3w4GhK4J27mFvWTPCXro-cj8b8dNc-A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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Dave Cramer wrote:
> I'm looking for a dual sim phone as I will be spending some time in
> the states and would like my existing number to still work.
>

One other possibility, if you're with Wind, this is avaialble:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/2014/01/wind-mobile-launching-unlimited-u-s-roaming-add-on/
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 18 16:35:07 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:35:07 -0500
Subject: SystemD on Debian
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On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 04:28:02PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote:
> Now, what happen to BSD? Are they likely to follow along too? I remember a
> lot of people didn't want anything to do with it - came up when discussing
> udev if i remember correctly - and even Windows developers make fun of it,
> but it has overcome all that resistance.

Well for BSD to adopt systemd, they would first have to implement cgroups,
inotify, and a number of other nifty linux features that systemd requires.

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From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 18 18:43:42 2014
From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:43:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Acer recovery partition
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| From: Tim Tisdall <tisdall-DXT9u3ndKiSh7up9GtFB90EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org>

Wow.  That should not happen.  But who are you going to argue with?

Acer support (in my experience) isn't willing to discuss things that
are clearly wrong-as-built.  My example: specs for a notebook said
that it could handle 4G of RAM (I think that was the number) but the
notebook would freeze with that amount.  It turned out that an earlier
BIOS could handle that amount.  But they claimed that this wasn't a
bug.  No recourse (I couldn't reach out and strangle the support
person because he was in Texas).

(It turned out that Linux's video driver for that notebook's nVidia
chip had a bug that if the buffer were above 2G, it would curdle the
screen, so I could not have used the 4G anyway.  The driver folks
didn't admit that it was a bug for a couple of years, so maybe Open
Source isn't 100% better.  Of course a really good explanation is that 
they had no specifications to code to.)

I think I understand partitions etc. but I sure don't understand all
the observed behaviour.

On my new notebook (Lenovo Yoga 2 pro), I installed Fedora 20 (secure
boot and all!).  In the process, I asked the F20 installer to shrink
the Win8.1 partition drastically.  After that, Win8.1 would not boot.

My superstitious explanation is:

- ntfsresize (or whatever) is willing to move unmoveable files
  (like the swap file)

- this makes it way more effective at shrinking NTFS partitions than
  Win8.1's built-in resizer

- in the past, after ntfsresizing, I've found the first Windows boot said 
  it had to repair the system, which it did with no problem.

- My normal procedure was rebooting Windows after resizing (usually with a 
  live Ubuntu) but before installing.  I vaguely remember this mattering.  
  I didn't do that this time.

- Maybe Win8.1 is pickier or less able.

- UEFI is a new variable, but I don't see that it is implicated

My fix this time was to wander around the system restore menus (very
complicated, multi-level, not well explained), trying a few
non-drastic ones without success.  I finally agreed to restore the
whole system WITHOUT repartitioning.  I then had to re-introduce
myself to Win8.1 (as if it were a brand new machine) but Fedora 20
remained.
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From aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 18 19:08:06 2014
From: aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aruna Hewapathirane)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 14:08:06 -0500
Subject: dual sim cell phones
In-Reply-To: <CADK3HHLu94VypE08=5t3w4GhK4J27mFvWTPCXro-cj8b8dNc-A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <CADK3HHLu94VypE08=5t3w4GhK4J27mFvWTPCXro-cj8b8dNc-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFSeFg9XFLBk0TDMh7-o2RdZArKsA4ufkLtzmGZ48F5vXivhdQ@mail.gmail.com>

>On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Dave Cramer <davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>I'm looking for a dual sim phone as I will be spending some time in the
states and would like my existing number to still work.
>Most of the dual sim phones are from china and apparently much of the
translation is not done. Some of them are allegedly
>not very good at switching between sims.

>Anyone have any experience good or bad to share. Or possibly another way
to do this. For instance is it possible to forward
>SMS ?

Dave, if you need the cell this will not help but do give this a careful
thought. If you get a magic-jack <http://www.magicjack.com/index.html> you
can port an existing number and most important for you calls to Canada and
anywhere in USA are free !

I have a old Huawei dual sim that has served me well over long years, the
device is old but very reliable. And again cost is minimal when compared to
other devices.

Aruna


> Dave Cramer
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From: davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 14:09:41 -0500
Subject: dual sim cell phones
In-Reply-To: <CAFSeFg9XFLBk0TDMh7-o2RdZArKsA4ufkLtzmGZ48F5vXivhdQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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I heard that magic jack can't port Canadian numbers

Dave Cramer


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Aruna Hewapathirane <
aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> >On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Dave Cramer <davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>wrote:
> >I'm looking for a dual sim phone as I will be spending some time in the
> states and would like my existing number to still work.
> >Most of the dual sim phones are from china and apparently much of the
> translation is not done. Some of them are allegedly
> >not very good at switching between sims.
>
> >Anyone have any experience good or bad to share. Or possibly another way
> to do this. For instance is it possible to forward
> >SMS ?
>
> Dave, if you need the cell this will not help but do give this a careful
> thought. If you get a magic-jack <http://www.magicjack.com/index.html>you can port an existing number and most important for you calls to Canada
> and anywhere in USA are free !
>
> I have a old Huawei dual sim that has served me well over long years, the
> device is old but very reliable. And again cost is minimal when compared to
> other devices.
>
> Aruna
>
>
>> Dave Cramer
>>
>
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From: aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aruna Hewapathirane)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 14:13:19 -0500
Subject: dual sim cell phones
In-Reply-To: <CADK3HHL5DAaeCC979BxzX+UxaC8yATGQ4rx1A8K=ZMHJA-0oKA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <CADK3HHLu94VypE08=5t3w4GhK4J27mFvWTPCXro-cj8b8dNc-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFSeFg9XFLBk0TDMh7-o2RdZArKsA4ufkLtzmGZ48F5vXivhdQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADK3HHL5DAaeCC979BxzX+UxaC8yATGQ4rx1A8K=ZMHJA-0oKA@mail.gmail.com>
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>I heard that magic jack can't port Canadian numbers

The second option on the far right, where it says NEW in green :
http://www.magicjack.com/canadian-tos.html there may be a cost factor. Give
them a call ?



> Dave Cramer
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Aruna Hewapathirane <
> aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> >On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Dave Cramer <davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>wrote:
>> >I'm looking for a dual sim phone as I will be spending some time in the
>> states and would like my existing number to still work.
>> >Most of the dual sim phones are from china and apparently much of the
>> translation is not done. Some of them are allegedly
>> >not very good at switching between sims.
>>
>> >Anyone have any experience good or bad to share. Or possibly another way
>> to do this. For instance is it possible to forward
>> >SMS ?
>>
>> Dave, if you need the cell this will not help but do give this a careful
>> thought. If you get a magic-jack <http://www.magicjack.com/index.html>you can port an existing number and most important for you calls to Canada
>> and anywhere in USA are free !
>>
>> I have a old Huawei dual sim that has served me well over long years, the
>> device is old but very reliable. And again cost is minimal when compared to
>> other devices.
>>
>> Aruna
>>
>>
>>> Dave Cramer
>>>
>>
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From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 14:53:14 -0500
Subject: dual sim cell phones
In-Reply-To: <CAFSeFg9XFLBk0TDMh7-o2RdZArKsA4ufkLtzmGZ48F5vXivhdQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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Aruna Hewapathirane wrote:
> Dave, if you need the cell this will not help but do give this a
> careful thought. If you get a magic-jack
> <http://www.magicjack.com/index.html> you can port an existing number
> and most important for you calls to Canada and anywhere in USA are free !

Or he could forward his cell number to a Fongo number, then install the
Fongo soft phone on his smart phone.  It will then work wherever he is.

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From aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 18 20:00:12 2014
From: aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aruna Hewapathirane)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:00:12 -0500
Subject: dual sim cell phones
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<snip>

> Or he could forward his cell number to a Fongo number, then install the
> Fongo soft phone on his smart phone.  It will then work wherever he is.
>

Fongo is good but when you're connected on a call, Fongo uses 0.5MB of data
per calling minute so a 500MB data-plan gives you approximately 1000
calling minutes per month. Note: Switching between WiFi and data during a
call is not supported

So I would be cautious as exceeding one's data plan can incur HUGE unwanted
and surprising bills :)

>
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From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 18 20:44:56 2014
From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:44:56 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
In-Reply-To: <5303856F.8040504-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
References: <CAGxYWpa-WfLOGdYW4k3w4b4CZKzcOMQw0o-+nN53vSaskMMj2Q@mail.gmail.com>	<53037E5D.9050902@gmail.com> <CAGxYWpaQmtA8M=YJUPeHYV6=_QtM196te0XfdnDqn+zOtD5r0Q@mail.gmail.com> <5303856F.8040504@gmail.com>
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On 14-02-18 11:08 AM, Randy Jonasz wrote:
>
> I used the recovery partition to reset Windows to factory default before
> upgrading to 8.1.  I then discovered my partitions had been moved around
> without any warning.  Go figure.

Yup, Windows Update destroyed my boot setup too. Booting from a LiveCD
with Boot Repair put it back.

> After I removed Windows, I got a company version of Windows 7 for
> testing and put it in Virtual Box.  There Microsoft cannot screw up my
> computer.

I haven't yet cleared Windows 8 from my computer (soon; I want any last
residual warranty on this thing to have gone) but VirtualBox allows me
to run a VeryExpensivePieceofSoftware* in Windows XP on a couple of
cores, and it runs very fast indeed.

VirtualBox is great if you:
* Add the host extensions, which give you host filesystem and exotic
hardware access;
* Add yourself to the vboxusers group; this allows you access to said
exotic hardware.

cheers,
 Stewart

*: thought it pales into insignificance compared to my former
colleagues' gas turbine optimization system, which had annual licensing
per desk equal to their salary.
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From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 18 22:32:42 2014
From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 17:32:42 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
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On 14-02-18 03:44 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote:
> VirtualBox is great if you:
> * Add the host extensions, which give you host filesystem and exotic
> hardware access;
One problem I'm having with Virtual Box is allowing Windows to access 
USB peripherals.  Ubuntu's Unity seems to capture the connection before 
Windows has a chance.  e.g. When I insert a USB drive, the file manager 
opens in Unity and nothing happens in Windows.  Any idea how to let 
Windows access the drive?

Randy


> * Add yourself to the vboxusers group; this allows you access to said
> exotic hardware.
>
> cheers,
>   Stewart
>
> *: thought it pales into insignificance compared to my former
> colleagues' gas turbine optimization system, which had annual licensing
> per desk equal to their salary.
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From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 18 23:00:30 2014
From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:00:30 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
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On 18 February 2014 17:32, Randy Jonasz <rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> On 14-02-18 03:44 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote:
>>
>> VirtualBox is great if you:
>> * Add the host extensions, which give you host filesystem and exotic
>> hardware access;
>
> One problem I'm having with Virtual Box is allowing Windows to access USB
peripherals.  Ubuntu's Unity seems to capture the connection before Windows
has a chance.  e.g. When I insert a USB drive, the file manager opens in
Unity and nothing happens in Windows.  Any idea how to let Windows access
the drive?

I couldn't remember the exact details, so I checked Wikipedia (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtualbox ):

'With version 4 of VirtualBox, released in December 2010, the core package
is free software released under GNU General Public License version 2
(GPLv2). This is the fully featured package, excluding some proprietary
components not available under GPLv2. These components provide support for
USB 2.0 devices, Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) and Preboot Execution
Environment (PXE) for Intel cards and are released as a separate
"VirtualBox Oracle VM VirtualBox extension pack" under a proprietary
Personal Use and Evaluation License (PUEL), which permits use of the
software for personal use, educational use, or evaluation, free of charge.'

So host system USB access isn't included by default.  You need to install
another extension (not the standard "Guest Additions") - I don't know where
you get that, although Oracle seems likely.  I've been working with
VirtualBox some recently at work and have come up against the USB access
problem: I thought it was for-pay only.  I guess it will be at work, but I
can use it at home if I don't mind the non-free license ...

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From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Feb 18 23:05:30 2014
From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:05:30 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
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On 14-02-18 05:32 PM, Randy Jonasz wrote:
> 
> When I insert a USB drive, the file manager
> opens in Unity and nothing happens in Windows.  Any idea how to let
> Windows access the drive?

Yeah, that's a fiddly one which I only just worked out. I think the
safest way to do this is:

1) Eject it from Unity File Manager, but don't remove the USB drive.

2) In VirtualBox's toolbar at the bottom of the screen, right click on
   the USB Plug icon (this may require host extensions, and definitely
needs vboxusers group membership). A context menu should pop up with
your USB devices. Select the "Generic Storage" (or whatever it's called
for your drive) and it will mount in the guest OS.

3) When you're done with the drive, eject it from the guest OS (Windows
   has "Safely remove ..."), then do the USB Plug icon thing again,
unselecting the storage device. The device will remount in Unity File
Manager.

You can skip step 1, but whether you can do so safely, I can't say.

 Stewart
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From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 19 01:46:56 2014
From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 20:46:56 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
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> >
> > When I insert a USB drive, the file manager
> > opens in Unity and nothing happens in Windows.  Any idea how to let
> > Windows access the drive?
>
> Yeah, that's a fiddly one which I only just worked out. I think the
> safest way to do this is:

How about setting a samba share on Linux, put Windows network under bridge
instead of NAT and use samba share from Windows.

That way, you just need to dump USB content on the share and windows will
be able to use it from there.
>
> 1) Eject it from Unity File Manager, but don't remove the USB drive.
>

William
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From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 19 01:54:55 2014
From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 20:54:55 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
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On 14-02-18 08:46 PM, William Muriithi wrote:
> 
> How about setting a samba share on Linux, put Windows network under
> bridge instead of NAT and use samba share from Windows.

It would be more hassle than mounting it in VirtualBox, but if it works ?

 Stewart
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From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 19 03:25:44 2014
From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:25:44 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
In-Reply-To: <CAEnxSC517Oh_siPpzENRUneZn6H80KAQbVb-TEO2g9wS36gn0Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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On 14-02-18 06:00 PM, Giles Orr wrote:
>
> So host system USB access isn't included by default.  You need to 
> install another extension (not the standard "Guest Additions") - I 
> don't know where you get that, although Oracle seems likely.  I've 
> been working with VirtualBox some recently at work and have come up 
> against the USB access problem: I thought it was for-pay only.  I 
> guess it will be at work, but I can use it at home if I don't mind the 
> non-free license ...
>
Thanks Giles!  Windows now recognizes the usb drive but I can't seem to 
access the contents.  I'll have to play with it some more.

Randy

> -- 
> Giles
> http://www.gilesorr.com/
> gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org <mailto:gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>

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From: davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 06:22:17 -0500
Subject: dual sim cell phones
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References: <CADK3HHLu94VypE08=5t3w4GhK4J27mFvWTPCXro-cj8b8dNc-A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFSeFg9XFLBk0TDMh7-o2RdZArKsA4ufkLtzmGZ48F5vXivhdQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <5303BA2A.8070001@rogers.com> <CAFSeFg84meXzUBo5NtsVtVvDmhH7=GNCpPY-Vvs-M0gFSn-u1w@mail.gmail.com>
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Wind mobile looks like the best deal going

Unlimited calling/data in the states!

Dave Cramer


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Aruna Hewapathirane <
aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> <snip>
>
>>  Or he could forward his cell number to a Fongo number, then install the
>> Fongo soft phone on his smart phone.  It will then work wherever he is.
>>
>
> Fongo is good but when you're connected on a call, Fongo uses 0.5MB of
> data per calling minute so a 500MB data-plan gives you approximately 1000
> calling minutes per month. Note: Switching between WiFi and data during a
> call is not supported
>
> So I would be cautious as exceeding one's data plan can incur HUGE
> unwanted and surprising bills :)
>
>>
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From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 19 17:08:26 2014
From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:08:26 -0500
Subject: mysql over TCP and far out PIDs
Message-ID: <5304E50A.1070505@moores.ca>

Hi list,

I lurk around this maillist a lot, but don't say much. I'm having an
interesting issue right now though that maybe someone here might have
some insight into, which I'd really appreaciate.

I'm running servers with Ubuntu 12.04 with upgraded 3.5 kernels and
mysql 5.5.35

On three machines which are supposedly identical, only one works as it
is suppose to allowing me to login to mysql via TCP. On the other two I
get this message.

Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication
packet', system error: 0

I know mysql is listening (or someone is) because on a non listening
port I get:

ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)

Mysql is configured identical on all machines. What is really odd is
when I run netstat I get the follow output:

#netstat -n -l -e | grep tcp
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:10050 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 128 15430
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5222 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 120 14278
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 116 452074
tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:587 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 0 15278

The last column is the PID of the listening process. In this case
process id 452074 is listening on Mysql's port. However no process id is
ever suppose to be greater than 65535 and when I lookup mysql's process
ID i get this:

#ps ax | grep mysql
 7560 ?        Ssl    0:01 /usr/sbin/mysqld
 8109 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto mysql

So mysql's PID is really 7560 and nobody should be 452074. Does anybody
have clue what is going on here? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

cheers,
darryl

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From tchitow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 19 17:31:21 2014
From: tchitow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:31:21 -0500
Subject: mysql over TCP and far out PIDs
In-Reply-To: <5304E50A.1070505-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
References: <5304E50A.1070505@moores.ca>
Message-ID: <CAO8rrFX1Qc-W-VY=EQ2FK0+6OSZN38JCU47g+pFN4F2VAM+ywg@mail.gmail.com>

-e show statistics like bytes sent. Try -p:

netstat -n -l -p | grep tcp

Martin Duclos


On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Darryl Moore <darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> Hi list,
>
> I lurk around this maillist a lot, but don't say much. I'm having an
> interesting issue right now though that maybe someone here might have
> some insight into, which I'd really appreaciate.
>
> I'm running servers with Ubuntu 12.04 with upgraded 3.5 kernels and
> mysql 5.5.35
>
> On three machines which are supposedly identical, only one works as it
> is suppose to allowing me to login to mysql via TCP. On the other two I
> get this message.
>
> Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication
> packet', system error: 0
>
> I know mysql is listening (or someone is) because on a non listening
> port I get:
>
> ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)
>
> Mysql is configured identical on all machines. What is really odd is
> when I run netstat I get the follow output:
>
> #netstat -n -l -e | grep tcp
> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:10050 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 128 15430
> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5222 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 120 14278
> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 116 452074
> tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:587 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 0 15278
>
> The last column is the PID of the listening process. In this case
> process id 452074 is listening on Mysql's port. However no process id is
> ever suppose to be greater than 65535 and when I lookup mysql's process
> ID i get this:
>
> #ps ax | grep mysql
>  7560 ?        Ssl    0:01 /usr/sbin/mysqld
>  8109 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto mysql
>
> So mysql's PID is really 7560 and nobody should be 452074. Does anybody
> have clue what is going on here? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
>
> cheers,
> darryl
>
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From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 19 17:58:35 2014
From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:58:35 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
In-Reply-To: <53042438.4010509-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
References: <CAGxYWpa-WfLOGdYW4k3w4b4CZKzcOMQw0o-+nN53vSaskMMj2Q@mail.gmail.com>	<53037E5D.9050902@gmail.com>	<CAGxYWpaQmtA8M=YJUPeHYV6=_QtM196te0XfdnDqn+zOtD5r0Q@mail.gmail.com>	<5303856F.8040504@gmail.com>	<5303C648.5040104@gmail.com>	<5303DF8A.5050508@gmail.com> <CAEnxSC517Oh_siPpzENRUneZn6H80KAQbVb-TEO2g9wS36gn0Q@mail.gmail.com> <53042438.4010509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5304F0CB.30800@gmail.com>

On 14-02-18 10:25 PM, Randy Jonasz wrote:
> On 14-02-18 06:00 PM, Giles Orr wrote:
>>
>> So host system USB access isn't included by default.  You need to 
>> install another extension (not the standard "Guest Additions") - I 
>> don't know where you get that, although Oracle seems likely.  I've 
>> been working with VirtualBox some recently at work and have come up 
>> against the USB access problem: I thought it was for-pay only.  I 
>> guess it will be at work, but I can use it at home if I don't mind 
>> the non-free license ...
>>
> Thanks Giles!  Windows now recognizes the usb drive but I can't seem 
> to access the contents.  I'll have to play with it some more.
Ok, after installing Oracle's extensions, I was able to attach the USB 
drive to Windows.  But the problem I had was that I could not access 
content from within Windows.  The solution is to NOT unmount the drive 
in linux first.  When I attach the drive to Windows, it looks like 
Virtual Box unmounts it for me and attaches it to Windows and I can then 
access content yay!  One problem remains:  The drive I was able to use 
was an old USB 2 2G drive.  My Kingston 32G USB 3 drive does not want to 
play nicely with Windows.  The OS complains it is an unkown device.  Yet 
linux accesses it without any problem.

>
> Randy
>
>> -- 
>> Giles
>> http://www.gilesorr.com/
>> gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org <mailto:gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 19 18:17:46 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:17:46 -0500
Subject: mysql over TCP and far out PIDs
In-Reply-To: <5304E50A.1070505-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
References: <5304E50A.1070505@moores.ca>
Message-ID: <20140219181746.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:08:26PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> I lurk around this maillist a lot, but don't say much. I'm having an
> interesting issue right now though that maybe someone here might have
> some insight into, which I'd really appreaciate.
> 
> I'm running servers with Ubuntu 12.04 with upgraded 3.5 kernels and
> mysql 5.5.35
> 
> On three machines which are supposedly identical, only one works as it
> is suppose to allowing me to login to mysql via TCP. On the other two I
> get this message.
> 
> Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication
> packet', system error: 0
> 
> I know mysql is listening (or someone is) because on a non listening
> port I get:
> 
> ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)
> 
> Mysql is configured identical on all machines. What is really odd is
> when I run netstat I get the follow output:
> 
> #netstat -n -l -e | grep tcp
> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:10050 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 128 15430
> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5222 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 120 14278
> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 116 452074
> tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:587 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 0 15278
> 
> The last column is the PID of the listening process. In this case
> process id 452074 is listening on Mysql's port. However no process id is
> ever suppose to be greater than 65535 and when I lookup mysql's process
> ID i get this:
> 
> #ps ax | grep mysql
>  7560 ?        Ssl    0:01 /usr/sbin/mysqld
>  8109 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto mysql
> 
> So mysql's PID is really 7560 and nobody should be 452074. Does anybody
> have clue what is going on here? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

The default pid_max in linux is 32768, but with 2.5+ kernels it is
configurable.  Look at /proc/sys/kernel/pid_max.  It can be set to at
least 2147483647.

Now some user space tools may still assume it is 16 bit and wrap the
value early.

I prefer using 'netstap -anp' since it nicely tells you the process name.
Sure is helpful.

The numbers after LISTEN are userid and inode (not pid).  If you want
the pid, use -p, which gives you a column like '15085/ntpd', which is
the pid and process name.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 19 18:19:57 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:19:57 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
In-Reply-To: <5304F0CB.30800-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
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 <CAGxYWpaQmtA8M=YJUPeHYV6=_QtM196te0XfdnDqn+zOtD5r0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <5303856F.8040504@gmail.com>
 <5303C648.5040104@gmail.com>
 <5303DF8A.5050508@gmail.com>
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 <53042438.4010509@gmail.com>
 <5304F0CB.30800@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140219181957.GI17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:58:35PM -0500, Randy Jonasz wrote:
> Ok, after installing Oracle's extensions, I was able to attach the
> USB drive to Windows.  But the problem I had was that I could not
> access content from within Windows.  The solution is to NOT unmount
> the drive in linux first.  When I attach the drive to Windows, it
> looks like Virtual Box unmounts it for me and attaches it to Windows
> and I can then access content yay!  One problem remains:  The drive
> I was able to use was an old USB 2 2G drive.  My Kingston 32G USB 3
> drive does not want to play nicely with Windows.  The OS complains
> it is an unkown device.  Yet linux accesses it without any problem.

I don't think virtualbox does USB3 passthrough yet.  If you connect it
to a USB2 port on the linux box, it will probably work since then it
becomes a USB2 device.

After all if it is a USB3 port on linux, and it negotiates USB3 speed,
the virtual USB2 link in windows can't handle it.

-- 
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From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 19 18:30:38 2014
From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:30:38 -0500
Subject: mysql over TCP and far out PIDs
In-Reply-To: <5304E50A.1070505-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
References: <5304E50A.1070505@moores.ca>
Message-ID: <5304F84E.509@utoronto.ca>

On 19/02/14 12:08 PM, Darryl Moore wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> I lurk around this maillist a lot, but don't say much. I'm having an
> interesting issue right now though that maybe someone here might have
> some insight into, which I'd really appreaciate.
> 
> I'm running servers with Ubuntu 12.04 with upgraded 3.5 kernels and
> mysql 5.5.35
> 
> On three machines which are supposedly identical, only one works as it
> is suppose to allowing me to login to mysql via TCP. On the other two I
> get this message.
> 
> Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication
> packet', system error: 0
> 
> I know mysql is listening (or someone is) because on a non listening
> port I get:
> 
> ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)
> 
> Mysql is configured identical on all machines. What is really odd is
> when I run netstat I get the follow output:
> 
> #netstat -n -l -e | grep tcp
> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:10050 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 128 15430
> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5222 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 120 14278
> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 116 452074
> tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:587 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 0 15278

Set bind_address to 127.0.0.1 if you want connections locally. It is
never a good idea to let mysql listen on 0.0.0.0, since it will bind to
all available interfaces and possibly expose your data.

A side effect if setting the bind_address will be consistency across all
three of your machines, and you will be able to then isolate the problem
with logins.

I'll hazard a guess and say you don't have explicit grants for your user
at 127.0.0.1.

Cheers, Jamon
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From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 19 18:31:37 2014
From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:31:37 -0500
Subject: mysql over TCP and far out PIDs
In-Reply-To: <20140219181746.GH17767-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <5304E50A.1070505@moores.ca>
 <20140219181746.GH17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <20140219183137.GA3418@ettin.watson-wilson.ca>

Also consider netstat's replacement 'ss'.

-- 
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Linux/UNIX Consultant
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From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 19 19:09:11 2014
From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:09:11 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
In-Reply-To: <20140219181957.GI17767-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <CAGxYWpa-WfLOGdYW4k3w4b4CZKzcOMQw0o-+nN53vSaskMMj2Q@mail.gmail.com> <53037E5D.9050902@gmail.com> <CAGxYWpaQmtA8M=YJUPeHYV6=_QtM196te0XfdnDqn+zOtD5r0Q@mail.gmail.com> <5303856F.8040504@gmail.com> <5303C648.5040104@gmail.com> <5303DF8A.5050508@gmail.com> <CAEnxSC517Oh_siPpzENRUneZn6H80KAQbVb-TEO2g9wS36gn0Q@mail.gmail.com> <53042438.4010509@gmail.com> <5304F0CB.30800@gmail.com> <20140219181957.GI17767@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <53050157.6050009@gmail.com>

On 14-02-19 01:19 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:58:35PM -0500, Randy Jonasz wrote:
>> Ok, after installing Oracle's extensions, I was able to attach the
>> USB drive to Windows.  But the problem I had was that I could not
>> access content from within Windows.  The solution is to NOT unmount
>> the drive in linux first.  When I attach the drive to Windows, it
>> looks like Virtual Box unmounts it for me and attaches it to Windows
>> and I can then access content yay!  One problem remains:  The drive
>> I was able to use was an old USB 2 2G drive.  My Kingston 32G USB 3
>> drive does not want to play nicely with Windows.  The OS complains
>> it is an unkown device.  Yet linux accesses it without any problem.
> I don't think virtualbox does USB3 passthrough yet.  If you connect it
> to a USB2 port on the linux box, it will probably work since then it
> becomes a USB2 device.
>
> After all if it is a USB3 port on linux, and it negotiates USB3 speed,
> the virtual USB2 link in windows can't handle it.
I never thought of that.  Alas my laptop does not have any USB2 ports.  
All four are USB3.  I'll just use my old drive when using it with 
Windows.  Thanks!

Randy


>

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From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 19 19:34:07 2014
From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:34:07 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
In-Reply-To: <53050157.6050009-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
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>>> Ok, after installing Oracle's extensions, I was able to attach the
>>> USB drive to Windows.  But the problem I had was that I could not
>>> access content from within Windows.

Did you have to pay for it?  What's the process of acquiring it

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From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:40:08 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
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On 14-02-19 02:34 PM, William Muriithi wrote:
>
>
> >>> Ok, after installing Oracle's extensions, I was able to attach the
> >>> USB drive to Windows.  But the problem I had was that I could not
> >>> access content from within Windows.
>
> Did you have to pay for it?  What's the process of acquiring it
>
I downloaded it from here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
I'll evaluate it and see if it's worth pitching my boss to buy a licence.

Randy

> William
>

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 19 20:04:33 2014
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:04:33 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
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On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 02:09:11PM -0500, Randy Jonasz wrote:
> I never thought of that.  Alas my laptop does not have any USB2
> ports.  All four are USB3.  I'll just use my old drive when using it
> with Windows.  Thanks!

Or use a USB2 hub in between.

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From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org  Wed Feb 19 21:30:40 2014
From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:30:40 -0500
Subject: mysql over TCP and far out PIDs
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coool, I never knew about ss. Thx.

Using it I see:
# ss -l -n -p | grep mysql
LISTEN  0   50    *:3306          *:*      users:(("mysqld",9248,10))

Which matches the PID and shows mysql is listening
# ps ax | grep mysql
 9248 ?        Ssl    0:02 /usr/sbin/mysqld
 9310 pts/1    S+     0:00 tail -f /var/log/mysql/error.err
10691 pts/2    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto mysql

Yeah.

But I still get that error when I try to log in via TCP

It's not a mysql user permission issue. Besides the fact that all
servers are set up the same, I can telnet into that port with two very
different results.

# telnet 127.0.0.1 3306
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to 127.0.0.1.
Escape character is '^]'.
Connection closed by foreign host.

Boom. She dies right away on my broken machines, but on the one that
works, get this:

telnet localhost 3306
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
[
5.5.35-0ubuntu0.12.04.2T?JL{J?>X?6/(vA~wZ;Z2+mysql_native_password

...so it wants a password which is what I world expect.


So why does mysql listen on the port but then immediately close the
connection?

Looking further with tcpdump I see the following on the server that works.

16:21:16.372558 IP localhost.42173 > localhost.mysql: Flags [S], seq
983586562, win 32792, options [mss 16396,sackOK,TS val 415356790 ecr
0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
16:21:16.372593 IP localhost.mysql > localhost.42173: Flags [S.], seq
3147658381, ack 983586563, win 32768, options [mss 16396,sackOK,TS val
415356790 ecr 415356790,nop,wscale 7], length 0
16:21:16.372615 IP localhost.42173 > localhost.mysql: Flags [.], ack 1,
win 257, options [nop,nop,TS val 415356790 ecr 415356790], length 0
16:21:16.373238 IP localhost.mysql > localhost.42173: Flags [P.], seq
1:96, ack 1, win 256, options [nop,nop,TS val 415356790 ecr 415356790],
length 95
16:21:16.373302 IP localhost.42173 > localhost.mysql: Flags [.], ack 96,
win 257, options [nop,nop,TS val 415356790 ecr 415356790], length 0
16:21:16.373766 IP localhost.42173 > localhost.mysql: Flags [P.], seq
1:94, ack 96, win 257, options [nop,nop,TS val 415356791 ecr 415356790],
length 93
16:21:16.373831 IP localhost.mysql > localhost.42173: Flags [.], ack 94,
win 256, options [nop,nop,TS val 415356791 ecr 415356791], length 0
16:21:16.374034 IP localhost.mysql > localhost.42173: Flags [P.], seq
96:107, ack 94, win 256, options [nop,nop,TS val 415356791 ecr
415356791], length 11

--------------------------------

and on a server that does not:



tcpdump -i lo tcp port 3306
tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode
listening on lo, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 65535 bytes
16:22:14.546133 IP localhost.44016 > localhost.mysql: Flags [S], seq
2958095828, win 32792, options [mss 16396,sackOK,TS val 6771500 ecr
0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
16:22:14.546171 IP localhost.mysql > localhost.44016: Flags [S.], seq
1106978560, ack 2958095829, win 32768, options [mss 16396,sackOK,TS val
6771500 ecr 6771500,nop,wscale 7], length 0
16:22:14.546195 IP localhost.44016 > localhost.mysql: Flags [.], ack 1,
win 257, options [nop,nop,TS val 6771500 ecr 6771500], length 0
16:22:14.546619 IP localhost.mysql > localhost.44016: Flags [F.], seq 1,
ack 1, win 256, options [nop,nop,TS val 6771500 ecr 6771500], length 0
16:22:14.547104 IP localhost.44016 > localhost.mysql: Flags [F.], seq 1,
ack 2, win 257, options [nop,nop,TS val 6771500 ecr 6771500], length 0
16:22:14.547140 IP localhost.mysql > localhost.44016: Flags [.], ack 2,
win 256, options [nop,nop,TS val 6771500 ecr 6771500], length 0

----------------------------

The first difference I see is this [F.] flags (bad server) and the [P.]
flags (good server)in the output. Guess I'll figure out what this means,
or port a complete transcript into wireshark.

Very baffling. Thanks for all the responses so far, and the corrections
on using netstat. I'll continue looking into this. Any other insights
would be most welcome.


On 14-02-19 01:31 PM, Neil Watson wrote:
> Also consider netstat's replacement 'ss'.
> 
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From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb 20 03:59:16 2014
From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:59:16 -0500
Subject: mysql over TCP and far out PIDs
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Message-ID: <53057D94.7090602@utoronto.ca>

On 19/02/14 04:30 PM, Darryl Moore wrote:
> coool, I never knew about ss. Thx.
> 
> Using it I see:
> # ss -l -n -p | grep mysql
> LISTEN  0   50    *:3306          *:*      users:(("mysqld",9248,10))
> 
> Which matches the PID and shows mysql is listening
> # ps ax | grep mysql
>  9248 ?        Ssl    0:02 /usr/sbin/mysqld
>  9310 pts/1    S+     0:00 tail -f /var/log/mysql/error.err
> 10691 pts/2    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto mysql
> 
> Yeah.
> 
> But I still get that error when I try to log in via TCP

Are you using mysql -h 127.0.0.1 -u user dbname to login? Telnet is only
able to report what MySQL tells it, which is that it is listening on
127.0.0.1:3306 and that MySQL has closed the connection in your example
below.

I would use a proper MySQL client, even if telnet seems good enough.

> It's not a mysql user permission issue. Besides the fact that all
> servers are set up the same, I can telnet into that port with two very
> different results.
> 
> # telnet 127.0.0.1 3306
> Trying 127.0.0.1...
> Connected to 127.0.0.1.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> Connection closed by foreign host.
> 
> Boom. She dies right away on my broken machines, but on the one that
> works, get this:
> 
> telnet localhost 3306
> Trying 127.0.0.1...
> Connected to localhost.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> [
> 5.5.35-0ubuntu0.12.04.2T?JL{J?>X?6/(vA~wZ;Z2+mysql_native_password
> 
> ...so it wants a password which is what I world expect.
> 
> 
> So why does mysql listen on the port but then immediately close the
> connection?

Have you tried on ::1 - I'm not sure how MySQL works with IPv6, but if
you don't specify an address, and MySQL does indeed have IPv6 enabled,
you could try that as a different method to to test connections to
localhost. Check your /etc/hosts and you'll see that localhost resolves
to both 127.0.0.1 and ::1 depending on if traffic is IPv4 or IPv6.

Again, I do not know if MySQL does IPv6 by default.

You could also bind to another interface and try that.

Eliminate localhost/127.0.0.1/::1 altogether and try binding to an
address on a temporary private VLAN and see if that works. It should not
until you explicitly grant permission.

> Looking further with tcpdump I see the following on the server that works.
<snip>
> Very baffling. Thanks for all the responses so far, and the corrections
> on using netstat. I'll continue looking into this. Any other insights
> would be most welcome.

Last question: firewall? If iptables is involved, what do: 'iptables
-nvL' and 'iptables -t nat -nvL' show?

Cheers, Jamon
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From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb 20 16:53:54 2014
From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:53:54 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
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On 14-02-19 02:40 PM, Randy Jonasz wrote:
>
> I downloaded it from here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
> I'll evaluate it and see if it's worth pitching my boss to buy a licence.

You only need to pay if you're doing a mass deployment. See the
licensing FAQ, q.6:

    What exactly do you mean by personal use and academic
    use in the Personal Use and Evaluation License?

    Personal use is when you install the product on one
    or more PCs yourself and you make use of it (or even
    your friend, sister and grandmother). It doesn't
    matter whether you just use it for fun or run your
    multi-million euro business with it. Also, if you
    install it on your work PC at some large company,
    this is still personal use. However, if you are
    an administrator and want to deploy it to the 500
    desktops in your company, this would no longer qualify
    as personal use. Well, you could ask each of your 500
    employees to install VirtualBox but don't you think
    we deserve some money in this case? We'd even assist
    you with any issue you might have.

    Use at academic institutions such as schools, colleges
    and universities by both teachers and students is
    covered. So in addition to the personal use which
    is always permitted, academic institutions may also
    choose to roll out the software in an automated way
    to make it available to its students and personnel.

 - https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Licensing_FAQ

cheers,
 Stewart
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From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb 20 17:09:42 2014
From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 12:09:42 -0500
Subject: Acer recovery partition
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On 14-02-20 11:53 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote:
> On 14-02-19 02:40 PM, Randy Jonasz wrote:
>> I downloaded it from here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
>> I'll evaluate it and see if it's worth pitching my boss to buy a licence.
> You only need to pay if you're doing a mass deployment. See the
> licensing FAQ, q.6:
Ah, nice to know.  Thanks!

Randy

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From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb 20 19:21:27 2014
From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:21:27 -0500
Subject: dual sim cell phones
In-Reply-To: <CADK3HHJeKGVXvhzf6RsGtNj-C1PqmzpNVzbfzZX=C4Z3-a+bLQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <CADK3HHLu94VypE08=5t3w4GhK4J27mFvWTPCXro-cj8b8dNc-A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFSeFg9XFLBk0TDMh7-o2RdZArKsA4ufkLtzmGZ48F5vXivhdQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <5303BA2A.8070001@rogers.com> <CAFSeFg84meXzUBo5NtsVtVvDmhH7=GNCpPY-Vvs-M0gFSn-u1w@mail.gmail.com>
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http://www.roammobility.com/breeze-phone

I don't have that phone, but I do have a Roam SIM that I swap into my phone
when I cross the border. I'm very happy with it.

You buy them at brick-and-mortar
retailers<http://www.roammobility.com/where-to-buy>like 7-11 and
FutureShop stores. I got mine at Cellrite Wireless, 3113
Dufferin (south of Yorkdale)

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From davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb 20 19:31:40 2014
From: davecramer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:31:40 -0500
Subject: dual sim cell phones
In-Reply-To: <CAMguqh0oWfJwd6HF3mGdWUWkk3MLXSq-KNR0utcqgHOKCsnMBA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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 <5303BA2A.8070001@rogers.com> <CAFSeFg84meXzUBo5NtsVtVvDmhH7=GNCpPY-Vvs-M0gFSn-u1w@mail.gmail.com>
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Ya, I'm looking at this option and forwarding my CDN number to it

Dave Cramer


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> http://www.roammobility.com/breeze-phone
>
> I don't have that phone, but I do have a Roam SIM that I swap into my
> phone when I cross the border. I'm very happy with it.
>
> You buy them at brick-and-mortar retailers<http://www.roammobility.com/where-to-buy>like 7-11 and FutureShop stores. I got mine at Cellrite Wireless, 3113
> Dufferin (south of Yorkdale)
>
> --
> Evan Leibovitch
> Toronto Canada
>
> Em: evan at telly dot org
> Sk: evanleibovitch
> Tw: el56
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From: northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Thornton)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:08:42 -0500
Subject: mysql over TCP and far out PIDs
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	<53052280.7040402@moores.ca>
	<53057D94.7090602@utoronto.ca>
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Is it possible your grant tables don't have any entries for the host that
you look like you are connecting from?
Secure by default?

David


On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Jamon Camisso
<jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org>wrote:

> On 19/02/14 04:30 PM, Darryl Moore wrote:
> > coool, I never knew about ss. Thx.
> >
> > Using it I see:
> > # ss -l -n -p | grep mysql
> > LISTEN  0   50    *:3306          *:*      users:(("mysqld",9248,10))
> >
> > Which matches the PID and shows mysql is listening
> > # ps ax | grep mysql
> >  9248 ?        Ssl    0:02 /usr/sbin/mysqld
> >  9310 pts/1    S+     0:00 tail -f /var/log/mysql/error.err
> > 10691 pts/2    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto mysql
> >
> > Yeah.
> >
> > But I still get that error when I try to log in via TCP
>
> Are you using mysql -h 127.0.0.1 -u user dbname to login? Telnet is only
> able to report what MySQL tells it, which is that it is listening on
> 127.0.0.1:3306 and that MySQL has closed the connection in your example
> below.
>
> I would use a proper MySQL client, even if telnet seems good enough.
>
> > It's not a mysql user permission issue. Besides the fact that all
> > servers are set up the same, I can telnet into that port with two very
> > different results.
> >
> > # telnet 127.0.0.1 3306
> > Trying 127.0.0.1...
> > Connected to 127.0.0.1.
> > Escape character is '^]'.
> > Connection closed by foreign host.
> >
> > Boom. She dies right away on my broken machines, but on the one that
> > works, get this:
> >
> > telnet localhost 3306
> > Trying 127.0.0.1...
> > Connected to localhost.
> > Escape character is '^]'.
> > [
> > 5.5.35-0ubuntu0.12.04.2T? JL{J?>X ? 6/(vA~wZ;Z2+mysql_native_password
> >
> > ...so it wants a password which is what I world expect.
> >
> >
> > So why does mysql listen on the port but then immediately close the
> > connection?
>
> Have you tried on ::1 - I'm not sure how MySQL works with IPv6, but if
> you don't specify an address, and MySQL does indeed have IPv6 enabled,
> you could try that as a different method to to test connections to
> localhost. Check your /etc/hosts and you'll see that localhost resolves
> to both 127.0.0.1 and ::1 depending on if traffic is IPv4 or IPv6.
>
> Again, I do not know if MySQL does IPv6 by default.
>
> You could also bind to another interface and try that.
>
> Eliminate localhost/127.0.0.1/::1 altogether and try binding to an
> address on a temporary private VLAN and see if that works. It should not
> until you explicitly grant permission.
>
> > Looking further with tcpdump I see the following on the server that
> works.
> <snip>
> > Very baffling. Thanks for all the responses so far, and the corrections
> > on using netstat. I'll continue looking into this. Any other insights
> > would be most welcome.
>
> Last question: firewall? If iptables is involved, what do: 'iptables
> -nvL' and 'iptables -t nat -nvL' show?
>
> Cheers, Jamon
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From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb 22 17:10:30 2014
From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:10:30 -0500
Subject: open source pedometers
Message-ID: <CAGwUD5ucr7fC0ajWZcdXEA0SNbJ8W-N2Hcj44kTZLQV_1_L0Lg@mail.gmail.com>

The FitBit pedometers, are the market leader and famously closed
source.  No official support for Linux users. And closed data; all
your pedometer data is uploaded to their web app, and then you can
only view a summary of that data.

The Nike pedometers are equally closed.

Have any of you got a New Balance pedometer? If so, is it any more
open?  The documentation suggests that it is not open by default;
windows software only.  I've asked the manufacturer but haven't heard
back from them yet, and I'm impatient.  :-)
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From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb 22 17:13:04 2014
From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 17:13:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Teksavvy court ruling for 2012 file sharers?
Message-ID: <loom.20140222T181201-899@post.gmane.org>

I read an article on the court decision in nationalpost. No reaction here?
Strange for me. I am curious how it will go for 'normal' users.

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From marclijour-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb 22 18:33:16 2014
From: marclijour-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:33:16 -0500
Subject: open source pedometers
In-Reply-To: <CAGwUD5ucr7fC0ajWZcdXEA0SNbJ8W-N2Hcj44kTZLQV_1_L0Lg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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A device like that won Angel hack Toronto last May. Hardware with open APIs.
On Feb 22, 2014 12:11 PM, "Richard Weait" <richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> The FitBit pedometers, are the market leader and famously closed
> source.  No official support for Linux users. And closed data; all
> your pedometer data is uploaded to their web app, and then you can
> only view a summary of that data.
>
> The Nike pedometers are equally closed.
>
> Have any of you got a New Balance pedometer? If so, is it any more
> open?  The documentation suggests that it is not open by default;
> windows software only.  I've asked the manufacturer but haven't heard
> back from them yet, and I'm impatient.  :-)
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From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb 22 18:55:48 2014
From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:55:48 -0500
Subject: open source pedometers
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	<CABJQZwuwrBHGqtcn+7Sex260jN2JKVWjeiQ=Dnffc-KiWfLBVA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Marc Lijour <marclijour-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
> A device like that won Angel hack Toronto last May. Hardware with open APIs.
>
> On Feb 22, 2014 12:11 PM, "Richard Weait" <richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>> The FitBit pedometers, are the market leader and famously closed
>> source.

Yup, and others that I've met at local events.  So far, only
vapourware, as far as I can see.

There is a linux driver, of sorts for fitbit (libfitbit, iirc) that
will permit syncing.  If I had the coding chops, I'd modify that code
to get it to save a local copy of the data.  Then, under user control,
decide to share that data with fitbit or not.
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From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb 22 19:08:23 2014
From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:08:23 -0500
Subject: open source pedometers
In-Reply-To: <CAGwUD5smOqd5rm_T-g8GGmWM=Eb9XTU2Kq086Xo83aKizixj8A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <CAGwUD5ucr7fC0ajWZcdXEA0SNbJ8W-N2Hcj44kTZLQV_1_L0Lg@mail.gmail.com>	<CABJQZwuwrBHGqtcn+7Sex260jN2JKVWjeiQ=Dnffc-KiWfLBVA@mail.gmail.com> <CAGwUD5smOqd5rm_T-g8GGmWM=Eb9XTU2Kq086Xo83aKizixj8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5308F5A7.30807@gmail.com>

On 14-02-22 01:55 PM, Richard Weait wrote:
> 
> There is a linux driver, of sorts for fitbit (libfitbit, iirc) that
> will permit syncing.  If I had the coding chops, I'd modify that code
> to get it to save a local copy of the data.  Then, under user control,
> decide to share that data with fitbit or not.

Isn't the problem that the fitbit data are in an intractible (possibly
encrypted) binary file, so libfitbit has to upload it to the servers to
make any sense of it?

 Stewart



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From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb 22 19:15:23 2014
From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:15:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: open source pedometers
In-Reply-To: <CAGwUD5ucr7fC0ajWZcdXEA0SNbJ8W-N2Hcj44kTZLQV_1_L0Lg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <CAGwUD5ucr7fC0ajWZcdXEA0SNbJ8W-N2Hcj44kTZLQV_1_L0Lg@mail.gmail.com>
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I'd check out these folks:
<http://www.meetup.com/quantifiedself-toronto/>

At least Eric and Sacha are open source types.

They are also members of Hacklab.to.  Eric is often there at the
Tuesday Open House.
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From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb 22 19:16:56 2014
From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:16:56 -0500
Subject: Teksavvy court ruling for 2012 file sharers?
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140222T181201-899-eS7Uydv5nfjZ+VzJOa5vwg@public.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140222T181201-899@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <5308F7A8.1070904@gmail.com>

On 14-02-22 12:13 PM, Peter wrote:
> I read an article on the court decision in nationalpost. No reaction here?

I'm disappointed that my ISP was forced to hand over customer data to
the plaintiff. They gave a good fight.

 Stewart

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From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb 22 19:33:02 2014
From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:33:02 -0500
Subject: Teksavvy court ruling for 2012 file sharers?
In-Reply-To: <5308F7A8.1070904-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140222T181201-899@post.gmane.org> <5308F7A8.1070904@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5308FB6E.8000109@rogers.com>

On 14-02-22 02:16 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote:
> On 14-02-22 12:13 PM, Peter wrote:
>> I read an article on the court decision in nationalpost. No reaction here?
> I'm disappointed that my ISP was forced to hand over customer data to
> the plaintiff. They gave a good fight.
>
>
Well the plaintiff has to get clearance from the court for whatever 
letter they send.

The HarperCons did place rather low limits on what could be awarded in a 
settlement.

It may be worthwhile to contact Teksavey and ask if their lawyer would 
write a form letter response for all affected customers. It may keep the 
costs down.

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From mwilson-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org  Sat Feb 22 19:51:19 2014
From: mwilson-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:51:19 -0500
Subject: open source pedometers
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1402221355270.3149-zb/h1I55lmemYXyjjU2hqtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
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	 <alpine.LRH.2.02.1402221355270.3149@redclaw.mimosa.com>
Message-ID: <1393098679.5003.3.camel@tecumseth3>

On Sat, 2014-02-22 at 14:15 -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> I'd check out these folks:
> <http://www.meetup.com/quantifiedself-toronto/>
> 
> At least Eric and Sacha are open source types.
> 
> They are also members of Hacklab.to.  Eric is often there at the
> Tuesday Open House.

I'm sure Creatron has the accelerometers, and Texas Instruments makes a
wristwatch-form development target, if you can get all spendy.

	Mel.

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From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org  Sun Feb 23 00:46:59 2014
From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 19:46:59 -0500
Subject: Teksavvy court ruling for 2012 file sharers?
In-Reply-To: <5308F7A8.1070904-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140222T181201-899@post.gmane.org>
 <5308F7A8.1070904@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140223004659.GA10035@waltdnes.org>

On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 02:16:56PM -0500, Stewart C. Russell wrote
> On 14-02-22 12:13 PM, Peter wrote:
> > I read an article on the court decision in nationalpost. No reaction here?
> 
> I'm disappointed that my ISP was forced to hand over customer data to
> the plaintiff. They gave a good fight.

  They haven't handed over the data yet.  See their press release at
http://www.teksavvy.com/en/why-teksavvy/in-the-news/teksavvy-press-releases/2014-press-releases/ruling-in-filesharing-suit-imposes-new-safeguards-for-canadians

  Basically the court looked at US and UK copyright trolling, and came
to a compromise.  They couldn't throw out the suit outright, becasue
there was a previous case that went to a higher court.  However, the
court put Voltage on a tight leash...

Quick summary from http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r29051456-Voltage-vs-Teksavvy-decision
* Teksavvy must reveal identity of alleged infringers.

* TSI gets all legal costs, admin costs & disbursements.
** TSI gets paid before Voltage sees even a single name. No money, no names.**

* Any/all letters from Voltage MUST be approved by both the Court & CIPPIC, so as not to provide false information to defendants, and coerce them into settlements.

* Letter will include a statement that 'no Court has yet found any recipient of the letter liable for infringement and that recipicies should [seek] legal assistance".

* Every letter to an alleged infringer will get a copy of the judge's order.

* Any subscriber can request a full copy of the order, for which the Plaintiff (Voltage) must pay for.

* Voltage will only receive Name & Address attached to specific IP addresses of the alleged infringers, and nothing more.

* There will be a special Judge assigned to this case, and will 'monitor, as necessary, the conduct of Voltage in its dealings with the alleged infringers."

* If Voltage splits a subscriber out of the herd (so to say), the special judge will keep hold of the new case.

* Voltage cannot make statements to the media, releasing defendant names or addresses.

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From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sun Feb 23 02:45:36 2014
From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 21:45:36 -0500
Subject: open source pedometers
Message-ID: <530960d2.8783320a.270d.fffffeb8@mx.google.com>


On Feb 22, 2014 2:08 PM, "Stewart C. Russell" <scruss at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 14-02-22 01:55 PM, Richard Weait wrote: 
> > 
> > There is a linux driver, of sorts for fitbit (libfitbit, iirc) that 
> > will permit syncing.? If I had the coding chops, I'd modify that code 
> > to get it to save a local copy of the data.? Then, under user control, 
> > decide to share that data with fitbit or not. 
>
> Isn't the problem that the fitbit data are in an intractible (possibly 
> encrypted) binary file, so libfitbit has to upload it to the servers to 
> make any sense of it?

In part.? I see that libfitbit has come a ways since i looked last year.? Includes a section on reverse engineering now.

https://github.com/openyou/libfitbit

There is a new project for newer fitbit devices, called Galileo.

https://bitbucket.org/benallard/galileo

So it looks like there is more to dive into.

These was a proprietary project that claimed to fully decode fitbit protocols, called fitbite.?

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1304.5672v1.pdf?goback=%2Egde_2206357_member_236224214

From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sun Feb 23 16:47:04 2014
From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:47:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: open source pedometers
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| From: Richard Weait <richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>

I don't know what happened to your email message, but it seemed to
trail off into line noise.

The last legible thing was this URL.  It itself was continued with odd
junk and so I've extracted a prefix that seems to work:

| http://arxiv.org/pdf/1304.5672v1.pdf
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From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sun Feb 23 17:10:29 2014
From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:10:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: inspirational article about contributing to LibreOffice
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1402231207220.3149@redclaw.mimosa.com>

I've bought at "HiDPI" notebook computer and therefore have been googling 
about how to best deal with the issues.

I got to this article because of LibreOffice.  But I found it really 
inspirational that he could just dig in and contribute to the project.
<http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=3444>

He's an Arch Linux user.  Digging in might be an Arch community value.
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From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sun Feb 23 21:57:29 2014
From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:57:29 -0500
Subject: open source pedometers
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1402231142530.3149-zb/h1I55lmemYXyjjU2hqtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
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On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:47 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> wrote:
> | From: Richard Weait <richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>
>
> I don't know what happened to your email message, but it seemed to
> trail off into line noise.

Thanks Hugh, I must have kicked the 110 baud acousticoupler.  :-)
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sun Feb 23 22:03:13 2014
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 17:03:13 -0500
Subject: open source pedometers
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Richard Weait wrote:
>> I don't know what happened to your email message, but it seemed to
>> > trail off into line noise.
> Thanks Hugh, I must have kicked the 110 baud acousticoupler.  :-)

#$#Dw35$#
NO CARRIER  ;-)

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From northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Thu Feb 27 04:22:47 2014
From: northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Thornton)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 23:22:47 -0500
Subject: open source pedometers
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I found a great thread on this topic with links to possible solutions.

http://simplystatistics.org/2013/01/02/fitbit-why-cant-i-have-my-data/

David


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:03 PM, James Knott <james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Richard Weait wrote:
> >> I don't know what happened to your email message, but it seemed to
> >> > trail off into line noise.
> > Thanks Hugh, I must have kicked the 110 baud acousticoupler.  :-)
>
> #$#Dw35$#
> NO CARRIER  ;-)
>
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