From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 1 19:35:43 2013 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 19:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Notable solution for cold calling ... Message-ID: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/30/punter_collects_cash_from_cold_callers/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 2 17:49:39 2013 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ION Toronto, 2013 November 11 Message-ID: I don't know what ION stands for, but this is related to the Internet Society. There are a bunch of half-hour talks about such things as DNSSec and IPv6. Technical, not marketing. Free. Free lunch. Near Eaton Centre. Co-located with the Canadian ISP Summit (costs real money). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 2 18:11:20 2013 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:11:20 -0400 Subject: video streaming -- recommendations? Message-ID: <20130902181120.GA14772@amber> I'd like to be able to stream video from a Linux box to several different kinds of recipients: laptops running OSX, tablets running Android, other computers running Linux. I already use calibre-server and mpd to serve up ebooks and music respectively, and was wondering if there were anything I could use for video. Command-line is preferable but not required; remote control would be convenient. Google reveals a lot of very heavy solutions: "media servers" such as MythTV, MediaTomb, and so on, but they seem to be much more than I need. I'd be happy if mplayer2 were to run as a daemon, for instance, but I can't see that it does. What have people tried? What has worked, and what hasn't? Is there any clear winning solution for all this? I'd be grateful for any and all advice, comment, and suggestions. Thanks. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 2 18:18:40 2013 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 14:18:40 -0400 Subject: video streaming -- recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20130902181120.GA14772@amber> References: <20130902181120.GA14772@amber> Message-ID: <5224D680.50702@rogers.com> On 13-09-02 02:11 PM, Peter King wrote: > I'd like to be able to stream video from a Linux box to several different > kinds of recipients: laptops running OSX, tablets running Android, other > computers running Linux. I already use calibre-server and mpd to serve up > ebooks and music respectively, and was wondering if there were anything I > could use for video. Command-line is preferable but not required; remote > control would be convenient. > > Google reveals a lot of very heavy solutions: "media servers" such as MythTV, > MediaTomb, and so on, but they seem to be much more than I need. I'd be happy > if mplayer2 were to run as a daemon, for instance, but I can't see that it > does. > > What have people tried? What has worked, and what hasn't? Is there any clear > winning solution for all this? I'd be grateful for any and all advice, comment, > and suggestions. Thanks. > I have used mediatomb for a number of years and I am quite happy with it. Both for music and video. It is command line and can be started as a service. There is a web interface to help with setup. Very easy to use with a pretty normal xml configuration file. And you can specify transcoding should you ever need that. -- Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 2 18:49:56 2013 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 14:49:56 -0400 Subject: ION Toronto, 2013 November 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5224DDD4.9020309@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I don't know what ION stands for, but this is related to the Internet > Society. There are a bunch of half-hour talks about such things as DNSSec > and IPv6. Technical, not marketing. It's nice to see some talk about IPv6. There's way too much inertia with people sticking on IPv4 with all it's problems and limitations. I've been running IPv6 on my home network for over 3 years. There's no shortage of addresses on IPv6, so everyone gets nice large subnets. My own /56 subnet is about a trillion times the entire IPv4 address space (I haven't used them all yet ). Some people have advocated handing out /48 subnets, which are 256x the size of mine. If they did that, there would be enough to give everyone on earth well over 4000 /48 subnets each! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 2 19:31:28 2013 From: northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Thornton) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 15:31:28 -0400 Subject: ION Toronto, 2013 November 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Registered! Told all my friends. My ipv4 friends AND my ipv6 friends. :) Storm the gates! On 9/2/13, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > > I don't know what ION stands for, but this is related to the Internet > Society. There are a bunch of half-hour talks about such things as DNSSec > and IPv6. Technical, not marketing. > > Free. Free lunch. Near Eaton Centre. > > Co-located with the Canadian ISP Summit (costs real money). > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Sent from my mobile device -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 3 17:32:49 2013 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 13:32:49 -0400 Subject: ION Toronto, 2013 November 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52261D41.3000007@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Free. Free lunch No free beer? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 3 21:04:00 2013 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 17:04:00 -0400 Subject: video streaming -- recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20130902181120.GA14772@amber> References: <20130902181120.GA14772@amber> Message-ID: <20130903210400.GD26683@waltdnes.org> On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 02:11:20PM -0400, Peter King wrote > I'd like to be able to stream video from a Linux box to several > different kinds of recipients: laptops running OSX, tablets running > Android, other computers running Linux. I already use calibre-server > and mpd to serve up ebooks and music respectively, and was wondering > if there were anything I could use for video. Command-line is > preferable but not required; remote control would be convenient. > > Google reveals a lot of very heavy solutions: "media servers" such > as MythTV, MediaTomb, and so on, but they seem to be much more than I > need. I'd be happy if mplayer2 were to run as a daemon, for instance, > but I can't see that it does. If you want simple, howsabout... python -m SimpleHTTPServer ...which starts up a server on port 8000 of your machine? You should do it in a chroot if you want to "contain" the people viewing the files. They should be running mplayer/vlc/whatever to view the files. Don't try "streaming" them yourself. As a regular user, you can specify a port >=1024 like so... python -m SimpleHTTPServer 8080 ...to serve on port 8080. See http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/tech-tip-really-simple-http-server-python for more details. Note that you need root permissions to serve on ports <1024. See http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2699907/dropping-root-permissions-in-python for instructions how to drop root privileges in python, once the server is launched. Again, I recommend a chroot. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maureen-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 5 02:10:41 2013 From: maureen-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Maureen Thornton) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 22:10:41 -0400 Subject: Moving Web Hosting Message-ID: <1378347041.5162.9.camel@crystal> A small site with blogging and email needs to move pronto to a new hosting facility -looking for new hosting site and help transitioning. This is for a friend and not only has her hosting service disappeared but she is not exactly flush finance wise. Any one got ideas? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 5 03:20:50 2013 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 23:20:50 -0400 Subject: Moving Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <1378347041.5162.9.camel@crystal> References: <1378347041.5162.9.camel@crystal> Message-ID: There are many possibilities, I think you need to define a budget first ("not exactly flush" = x$/month ?). I use a small instance a rackspace (cloud instance) so full control of OS (root account, etc), its 11$/mon, for 256MB ram, 10gb hd, and 3ghz type cpu. Of course with linux its amazing what you can run on 256MB ram. You can get 2-5 times more ram/hd then this for same price with a shared host, but also might be bw quaility issues, etc. This gives you at least one idea of a direction to take and its price. Amazon has a free linux small instance for a year, but since its a shared cycle sneaking instance, in my experience, it goes away about 5% of the time (when it just can't sneak any cycles), which makes it useless unless a hobby site. If you go to non-cycle stealing minimal instance, you are about the same as RS IIRC. Having said that, I run a full windows server, mysql db on a tiny amazon instance (for free), maybe linux would fair better when the cycles get grounded. -tl On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Maureen Thornton wrote: > A small site with blogging and email needs to move pronto to a new > hosting facility -looking for new hosting site and help transitioning. > This is for a friend and not only has her hosting service disappeared > but she is not exactly flush finance wise. Any one got ideas? > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 5 06:13:00 2013 From: northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Thornton) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 02:13:00 -0400 Subject: Moving Web Hosting In-Reply-To: References: <1378347041.5162.9.camel@crystal> Message-ID: http://www.domainsatcost.ca/ http://www.netfirms.ca/ http://www.1and1.ca/ On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:20 PM, ted leslie wrote: > There are many possibilities, I think you need to define a budget > first ("not exactly flush" = x$/month ?). > I use a small instance a rackspace (cloud instance) so full control of > OS (root account, etc), its 11$/mon, for 256MB ram, 10gb hd, > and 3ghz type cpu. Of course with linux its amazing what you can run > on 256MB ram. > You can get 2-5 times more ram/hd then this for same price with a > shared host, but also might be bw quaility issues, etc. > This gives you at least one idea of a direction to take and its price. > > Amazon has a free linux small instance for a year, but since its a > shared cycle sneaking instance, in my experience, it goes away > about 5% of the time (when it just can't sneak any cycles), which > makes it useless unless a hobby site. If you go to non-cycle stealing > minimal instance, you are about the same as RS IIRC. Having said that, > I run a full windows server, mysql db on a tiny amazon instance (for > free), > maybe linux would fair better when the cycles get grounded. > > -tl > > On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Maureen Thornton wrote: > > A small site with blogging and email needs to move pronto to a new > > hosting facility -looking for new hosting site and help transitioning. > > This is for a friend and not only has her hosting service disappeared > > but she is not exactly flush finance wise. Any one got ideas? > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Maureen Thornton wrote: > A small site with blogging and email needs to move pronto to a new > hosting facility -looking for new hosting site and help transitioning. > This is for a friend and not only has her hosting service disappeared > but she is not exactly flush finance wise. Any one got ideas? > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From williamdweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 5 13:40:24 2013 From: williamdweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Weaver) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 09:40:24 -0400 Subject: Moving Web Hosting In-Reply-To: References: <1378347041.5162.9.camel@crystal> Message-ID: I use digital ocean for my website and I haven't had any reliability issues. Their SLA is https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/what-is-your-sla I haven't had any downtime as of yet. Will Weaver On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Tim Tisdall wrote: > digitalocean.com has $5/month VPS instances provided you're okay with > doing everything yourself (you start with a fresh OS install and you need > to set everything up yourself). > > I don't use them 24/7 so I can't say much about reliability, but I've had > no issues. > > If you want a cheap shared hosting that you control stuff through CPanel > then bluehost or http://www.hostpapa.ca/ are both acceptable. > > > On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Maureen Thornton wrote: > >> A small site with blogging and email needs to move pronto to a new >> hosting facility -looking for new hosting site and help transitioning. >> This is for a friend and not only has her hosting service disappeared >> but she is not exactly flush finance wise. Any one got ideas? >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Isaac On 13-09-05 09:35 AM, Tim Tisdall wrote: > digitalocean.com has $5/month VPS instances > provided you're okay with doing everything yourself (you start with a > fresh OS install and you need to set everything up yourself). > > I don't use them 24/7 so I can't say much about reliability, but I've > had no issues. > > If you want a cheap shared hosting that you control stuff through > CPanel then bluehost or http://www.hostpapa.ca/ are both acceptable. > > > On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Maureen Thornton > wrote: > > A small site with blogging and email needs to move pronto to a new > hosting facility -looking for new hosting site and help transitioning. > This is for a friend and not only has her hosting service disappeared > but she is not exactly flush finance wise. Any one got ideas? > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 5 14:44:49 2013 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 10:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: thinking about Haswell desktop Message-ID: My current desktop is old (Core 2 Quad Q6600). Not bad, but I'm thinking about a new system. I guess that I can expect double the processing speed. Some tentative thoughts. AMD isn't in the game, unless you focus on bang for the buck. If I'm going to live with a new system indefinitely (perhaps longer than 5 years if innovation continues to be slow), I might want to get more things right. Reducing 24/7 power usage would seem worthwhile. The Intel processors with "S" suffix save some power and are not too expensive or slow. It would be nice to have ECC. Seems to require XEON :-( More expensive processor, more expensive motherboard, more expensive RAM. I'm ignoring this direction initially. VT-d (for PCI bus virtualization) would seem nice. Sadly, VT-d support is a complex mess: - not available on K suffix Haswell processors. That's OK, there are a lot of other features missing on K suffix processors that make me not want them. - most LGA 1150 chipsets (i.e. Haswell-supporting) can support VT-d, but many BIOSes don't. Only Q87-chipset motherboards seem to be good bets; there are not a lot of them. What a silly, stupid situation. - see Any thoughts / hints? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 5 16:55:33 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 12:55:33 -0400 Subject: thinking about Haswell desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130905165533.GH12618@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 10:44:49AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > My current desktop is old (Core 2 Quad Q6600). Not bad, but I'm thinking > about a new system. I guess that I can expect double the processing > speed. > > Some tentative thoughts. > > AMD isn't in the game, unless you focus on bang for the buck. I haven't bought one in a long time. When the nvidia chipsets ended for them, they stopped being interesting, and also the core 2 and never finally made intel interesting again. > If I'm going to live with a new system indefinitely (perhaps longer than 5 > years if innovation continues to be slow), I might want to get more things > right. > > Reducing 24/7 power usage would seem worthwhile. The Intel processors > with "S" suffix save some power and are not too expensive or slow. So make sure you get an efficient power supply, and such. > It would be nice to have ECC. Seems to require XEON :-( More expensive > processor, more expensive motherboard, more expensive RAM. I'm ignoring > this direction initially. Yeah I think I would do that too. > VT-d (for PCI bus virtualization) would seem nice. Sadly, VT-d support is > a complex mess: > > - not available on K suffix Haswell processors. That's OK, there are a > lot of other features missing on K suffix processors that make me not > want them. > > - most LGA 1150 chipsets (i.e. Haswell-supporting) can support VT-d, but > many BIOSes don't. Only Q87-chipset motherboards seem to be good bets; > there are not a lot of them. What a silly, stupid situation. > > - see > > Any thoughts / hints? If you want vt-d, it seems that the xen users think asrock is the best bet. They claim all boards with Intel Z87, H87, Q87 and B85 chipsets made by asrock can do vt-d assuming you pick a CPU that can too. I have no experience with asrock so far. I always use asus boards, but apparently most of those don't do vt-d except the high end (socket 1366 or 2011 these days, and even there there were bios issues that needed resolving to get it working). Now much as vt-d is neat, I have no idea what I would use it for at home. vt-x on the other hand is very useful for virtual machines in general. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 5 21:33:55 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 17:33:55 -0400 Subject: off-topic: FTTH in Toronto In-Reply-To: <1378413668.76306.YahooMailNeo-uycnNeS+Xp335Xbc4wGBzZOW+3bF1jUfVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <1378413668.76306.YahooMailNeo@web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20130905213355.GA13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 01:41:08PM -0700, Sammy Lao wrote: > Sorry for the off-topic post. > > I am trying to figure out what the status of fibre-to-the-home is in Toronto. > > A friend of mine is moving to new house. And apparently, it already has fibre installed. He is looking for a small ISP that will service him. > > What he said truly confused me. My understanding was that only Bell can offer true FTTH and only does so in select areas. Yes if it is Bell's FTTH then only Bell can offer service on it. If the house has cable as well, then any ISP that supports service over cable should work that way. > Anybody can clarify this for me? Thanks! -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 6 01:10:44 2013 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:10:44 -0400 Subject: thinking about Haswell desktop In-Reply-To: <20130905165533.GH12618-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20130905165533.GH12618@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20130906011044.GA6347@node1.localdomain> On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 12:55:33PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 10:44:49AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > - most LGA 1150 chipsets (i.e. Haswell-supporting) can support VT-d, but > > many BIOSes don't. Only Q87-chipset motherboards seem to be good bets; > > there are not a lot of them. What a silly, stupid situation. Also, all Qxx board are mATX form factor. > > > > - see > > > > Any thoughts / hints? > > If you want vt-d, it seems that the xen users think asrock is the best > bet. They claim all boards with Intel Z87, H87, Q87 and B85 chipsets > made by asrock can do vt-d assuming you pick a CPU that can too. > I have no experience with asrock so far. I always use asus boards, > but apparently most of those don't do vt-d except the high end (socket > 1366 or 2011 these days, and even there there were bios issues that > needed resolving to get it working). Asrock? I don't recommend them. Horrible RMA experience... > > Now much as vt-d is neat, I have no idea what I would use it for at home. > vt-x on the other hand is very useful for virtual machines in general. I thought it's VT-d (IOMMU for AMD) which enables you to assign /dev/sdj on host as /dev/sda on VM guest. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 6 06:52:54 2013 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 02:52:54 -0400 Subject: Moving Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <1378347041.5162.9.camel@crystal> References: <1378347041.5162.9.camel@crystal> Message-ID: <52297BC6.6080509@ve3syb.ca> On 13-09-04 10:10 PM, Maureen Thornton wrote: > A small site with blogging and email needs to move pronto to a new > hosting facility -looking for new hosting site and help transitioning. > This is for a friend and not only has her hosting service disappeared > but she is not exactly flush finance wise. Any one got ideas? Take a look at http://www.canadianwebhosting.com/. They have some inexpensive offerings that include Blog(s). Depends what features are needed. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 6 14:15:54 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:15:54 -0400 Subject: thinking about Haswell desktop In-Reply-To: <20130906011044.GA6347-+21/tKCbORjP0Z7Jsv878P8+0UxHXcjY@public.gmane.org> References: <20130905165533.GH12618@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20130906011044.GA6347@node1.localdomain> Message-ID: <20130906141554.GB13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 09:10:44PM -0400, William Park wrote: > Asrock? I don't recommend them. Horrible RMA experience... It isn't a brand I was planning to buy at the moment, but apparently they do make VT-d work on their boards unlike most brands. Strange. > I thought it's VT-d (IOMMU for AMD) which enables you to assign /dev/sdj > on host as /dev/sda on VM guest. VT-d allows things like assigning a PCI/PCIe card to a guest. That is the entire card, not part of it, and not a disk. Even vmware a decade ago could let a guest use a raw disk or even a partition. I remember doing that in the past. That's easy. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 6 14:33:15 2013 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 10:33:15 -0400 Subject: MTP on Ubuntu Message-ID: <5229E7AB.9060902@gmail.com> Is there a way of transferring music from an Ubuntu box to a stock Nexus 4? Command line would be okay. I've had a series of hung sessions and partially transferred folders using Rhythmbox. MTP is stable (if annoying) on other platforms. thanks, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 6 14:34:21 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:34:21 -0400 Subject: off-topic: FTTH in Toronto In-Reply-To: <5228EEE7.8090902-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1378413668.76306.YahooMailNeo@web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5228EEE7.8090902@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20130906143421.GC13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 04:51:51PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > While Bell may own the cable, perhaps customers can still use other > ISPs, as with ADSL. The CRTC hasn't told Bell to share their new toys (yet), so they don't. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 6 14:39:22 2013 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 10:39:22 -0400 Subject: MTP on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <5229E7AB.9060902-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <5229E7AB.9060902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5229E91A.2080501@rogers.com> On 13-09-06 10:33 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Is there a way of transferring music from an Ubuntu box to a stock Nexus > 4? Command line would be okay. I've had a series of hung sessions and > partially transferred folders using Rhythmbox. MTP is stable (if > annoying) on other platforms. > > Check out the free app WiFi file Explorer. The app makes the Nexus a web server and you transfer files over your Ubuntu's browser. -- Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 6 14:39:31 2013 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:39:31 -0400 Subject: MTP on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <5229E7AB.9060902-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <5229E7AB.9060902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130906143931.GA24388@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Use mtpfs to copy files to mtp devices like an android phone. It works, but not as well as USBMS. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bdwalton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 6 14:51:26 2013 From: bdwalton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ben Walton) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 15:51:26 +0100 Subject: MTP on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20130906143931.GA24388-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <5229E7AB.9060902@gmail.com> <20130906143931.GA24388@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: I use an ftp server app. It allows for nice bidirectional transfer. Thanks -Ben On Sep 6, 2013 3:39 PM, "Neil Watson" wrote: > > Use mtpfs to copy files to mtp devices like an android phone. > > It works, but not as well as USBMS. > > -- > Neil Watson > Linux/UNIX Consultant > http://watson-wilson.ca > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Strange. Yeah. I'm also confused about any relationship between Asus and ASRock (Pegatron). Apparently ASUStek spun out Pegatron in 2010. Afterwards Pegatron still manufactured many Asus boards. | VT-d allows things like assigning a PCI/PCIe card to a guest. That is | the entire card, not part of it, and not a disk. I remember when XEN was introduced (before VT-D and IOMMU), at an OLS presentation, XEN folks claimed: - XEN was a secure way of sharing a machine - XEN could selectively allocate PCI devices directly to guests Of course either might be true at one time, but both cannot be true at one time. There was no way to give a guest direct access to only a part of the PCI bus. But they didn't say that. A clue to me that the presentation was too close to marketing. With VT-d/IOMMU, both could be true at one time. Giving a guest direct access to a PCI bus device could be a big performance boost. Think of any high-bandwidth device. A NIC or a disk controller comes to mind. Without doing any measurements, I cannot be sure that the performance improvement is significant. I really want some cards to be willing to provide virtual sub-cards. The greatest need is in video cards. Allowing unpriviledged processes (and VM guests) constrained direct access to parts of a card would seem to be a big performance win. To be honest, I don't understand the security model of "direct rendering" or whatever it is that allows high performance graphics from userland. I fear it is insecure. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 6 14:58:11 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:58:11 -0400 Subject: decent mega-monitor? In-Reply-To: <20130815155903.GM7306-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20130814211917.GL7306@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20130815155903.GM7306@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20130906145811.GD13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:59:03AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Dual link DVI can do 2560x1600 @ 60Hz, which means it could do 4k @ 30Hz. > > It would have to be an active adapter. As far as I can tell, no such > adapter exists (I think some used to, but no longer do). I can't even > find a dual link dvi to display port adapter. If such a thing existed, > you would be able to convert that to HDMI 1.4 afterwards (although you > would be using two active adapters at once). But no such luck either > it seems. > > The KVM should just have to pass the monitor's EDID data through and > the video signal the other way. > > That would be single link only, and depending on what the nvidia does, > that may or may not include higher link speeds. If they recognize the > HDMI adapter being plugged in then they might choose to support HDMI 1.3+ > link speeds, in which case it could do 4k resolution. If they don't, > then it will just support 1920x1200. I suspect most nvidia cards capable > of HDMI 1.3+ would actually have an HDMI port already on the card. > > Which nvidia card do you have? I just noticed HDMI 2.0 has been announced which can do 4kx2k at 60HZ. That should make those new highres displays more usable, as soon as any of them support HDMI 2.0 (and any video cards do too). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 6 14:59:28 2013 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: thinking about Haswell desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another annoyance: even though Intel processors' on-chip video controllers have started to be "good enough", they don't support dual-link DVI. They support 2560x1600 resolution and DVI, but not 2560x1600 through DVI. I have a monitor and a KVM that can only be driven by dual-link DVI. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 6 15:03:21 2013 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 11:03:21 -0400 Subject: off-topic: FTTH in Toronto In-Reply-To: <20130906143421.GC13099-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1378413668.76306.YahooMailNeo@web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5228EEE7.8090902@rogers.com> <20130906143421.GC13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <5229EEB9.9050308@ss.org> On 09/06/2013 10:34 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 04:51:51PM -0400, James Knott wrote: >> While Bell may own the cable, perhaps customers can still use other >> ISPs, as with ADSL. > > The CRTC hasn't told Bell to share their new toys (yet), so they don't. Right, and if it really is Fibre to the Home, other ISPs may never get access to it. The reason other ISPs get access to the new FTTN speeds is because they are still using the copper lines for the last mile. It's those copper lines which are a government supplied monopoly overseen by the CRTC. That monopoly is there because the installation of the copper was originally government subsidized. With the FTTN build out Bell paid to run their own Fibre Network out to many of the wiring Pedestals and installed DSLAMs there (making it the node) and reducing the copper loop distance. Bell attempted argue that because the Fibe network was built on their dime they didn't have to provide access. They lost based only on the continued use of the copper last mile. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 6 15:06:09 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 11:06:09 -0400 Subject: thinking about Haswell desktop In-Reply-To: References: <20130905165533.GH12618@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20130906011044.GA6347@node1.localdomain> <20130906141554.GB13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20130906150609.GE13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 10:54:45AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Yeah. I'm also confused about any relationship between Asus and > ASRock (Pegatron). Apparently ASUStek spun out Pegatron in 2010. > Afterwards Pegatron still manufactured many Asus boards. Asus used to own pegatron as far as I understand it (and I think still own 25% or so). Pegatron does manufacture a lot of boards for Asus, although Asus does the design of course. ASrock also used to be part of Asus but was spun of a couple of years ago as far as I understand it, and is now on their own designing boards. So as far as support and RMA and such is concerned, they are very much not Asus, even if their design engineers used to work together with those at Asus. I think ASrock was intended as a lower end brand compared to Asus, although now that they are on their own they are starting to aim higher too. > I remember when XEN was introduced (before VT-D and IOMMU), at an OLS > presentation, XEN folks claimed: > - XEN was a secure way of sharing a machine > - XEN could selectively allocate PCI devices directly to guests > > Of course either might be true at one time, but both cannot be true at > one time. There was no way to give a guest direct access to only a > part of the PCI bus. But they didn't say that. A clue to me that the > presentation was too close to marketing. Well I think xen did it using paravirt and such, while with VT-d the guest can run the native driver for the hardware. I could be wrong, since I have never dealt with any of that. > With VT-d/IOMMU, both could be true at one time. > > Giving a guest direct access to a PCI bus device could be a big > performance boost. Think of any high-bandwidth device. A NIC or a > disk controller comes to mind. Without doing any measurements, I > cannot be sure that the performance improvement is significant. > > I really want some cards to be willing to provide virtual sub-cards. > The greatest need is in video cards. Allowing unpriviledged processes > (and VM guests) constrained direct access to parts of a card would > seem to be a big performance win. I think some cards do have hardware to support that. I think even some newer video cards have some capability for allowing that. I have seen network cards that could supposedly do that. > To be honest, I don't understand the security model of "direct > rendering" or whatever it is that allows high performance graphics > from userland. I fear it is insecure. Well given X used to use direct memory mapping of the video hardware to userspace, DRI has to be more secure than that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 6 15:06:53 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 11:06:53 -0400 Subject: thinking about Haswell desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130906150653.GF13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 10:59:28AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Another annoyance: even though Intel processors' on-chip video > controllers have started to be "good enough", they don't support > dual-link DVI. They support 2560x1600 resolution and DVI, but not > 2560x1600 through DVI. > > I have a monitor and a KVM that can only be driven by dual-link DVI. They do often support displayport though and an active adapter to Duallink DVI should exist. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 6 15:18:25 2013 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 11:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: decent mega-monitor? In-Reply-To: <20130906145811.GD13099-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20130814211917.GL7306@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20130815155903.GM7306@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20130906145811.GD13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | I just noticed HDMI 2.0 has been announced which can do 4kx2k at 60HZ. | That should make those new highres displays more usable, as soon as any | of them support HDMI 2.0 (and any video cards do too). That serves an immediate need. But it has too little room to grow (as far as I can see). One of the inexpensive 4k monitors we've been drooling over can refresh at 120Hz and this new standard couldn't support that. I guess it's technically tough. Be prepared for sequential obsolescence of all your stuff. For example, my 30" dual-DVI-only monitor. It's really annoying when a perfectly good object gets stranded by evaporating standards. That's one reason I've liked Linux. So many devices became orphans by Microsoft Windows updates. I have several scanners that work in Linux but not current Windows. Of course this can happen in Linux too. I inadvertently bought a printer/scanner/... device with only proprietary Linux support. For how long will Brother keep updating the drivers? NVidia and ATI orphan video cards too. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 6 20:03:34 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 16:03:34 -0400 Subject: decent mega-monitor? In-Reply-To: References: <20130814211917.GL7306@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20130815155903.GM7306@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20130906145811.GD13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20130906200334.GG13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 11:18:25AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > That serves an immediate need. But it has too little room to grow (as > far as I can see). > > One of the inexpensive 4k monitors we've been drooling over can refresh at > 120Hz and this new standard couldn't support that. Sure, although there seems to be no actual content above 60Hz. 30Hz was a problem. Remember they are increasing the speeds of the signals, which requires more and more advanced chips. They can't just decide to increase the speed by 10 times, because the implementation cost would be much too high at this time. > I guess it's technically tough. Be prepared for sequential obsolescence of all > your stuff. For example, my 30" dual-DVI-only monitor. It's really > annoying when a perfectly good object gets stranded by evaporating > standards. When it was made, dual link DVI was really the only thing that could drive a screen that big. Displayport probably did not exist yet. > That's one reason I've liked Linux. So many devices became orphans by > Microsoft Windows updates. I have several scanners that work in > Linux but not current Windows. I have had that happen too. Same for wireless cards. > Of course this can happen in Linux too. I inadvertently bought a > printer/scanner/... device with only proprietary Linux support. For > how long will Brother keep updating the drivers? NVidia and ATI > orphan video cards too. Always a question to consider. At least in the case of nvidia the support time has so far been very long. ATI has happily orphaned cards they were still selling to business users. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stimur-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 6 23:01:20 2013 From: stimur-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tim Sattarov) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 19:01:20 -0400 Subject: MTP on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <5229E7AB.9060902-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <5229E7AB.9060902@gmail.com> Message-ID: AirDroid Adb push ? :) On Sep 6, 2013 10:34 AM, "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > Is there a way of transferring music from an Ubuntu box to a stock Nexus > 4? Command line would be okay. I've had a series of hung sessions and > partially transferred folders using Rhythmbox. MTP is stable (if > annoying) on other platforms. > > thanks, > Stewart > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Please don't CC! I'm subscribed to whatever list I just posted on. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 7 14:01:14 2013 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 10:01:14 -0400 Subject: encrypting/signing html emails Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I'm thinking about taking another stab at using GPG/Enigmail to sign my outgoing messages. I'm hoping that enough of my friends & contacts are worried about spying, that some of them might actually be inspired to create their own keys this time... The only issue is that I now frequently send HTML email. Has anyone had success signing outgoing HTML mail? When I try to do it with enigmail/thunderbird,the html just gets converted to plaintext. It's posible I'm missing some kind of option, but my impression is that this is a limitation of enigmail; in any case, I'm hoping someone outthere has a solution. Thanks, Matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bdwalton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 7 14:12:01 2013 From: bdwalton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ben Walton) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 15:12:01 +0100 Subject: encrypting/signing html emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Matt Price wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'm thinking about taking another stab at using GPG/Enigmail to sign > my outgoing messages. I'm hoping that enough of my friends & contacts > are worried about spying, that some of them might actually be inspired > to create their own keys this time... I'd like to think so but I'm still doubtful. Please prove me wrong though. I'd love that! > > The only issue is that I now frequently send HTML email. Has anyone > had success signing outgoing HTML mail? When I try to do it with > enigmail/thunderbird,the html just gets converted to plaintext. It's > posible I'm missing some kind of option, but my impression is that > this is a limitation of enigmail; in any case, I'm hoping someone > outthere has a solution. I've used gpg in many scenarios but never with thunderbird in any way. If enigmail doesn't properly html mime email, it's entirely defective imo. This page makes me think it's possible though: http://superuser.com/questions/282016/html-or-rich-e-mails-do-not-work-with-enigmal-in-thunderbird Thanks -Ben -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take the risk of thinking for yourself. Much more happiness, truth, beauty and wisdom will come to you that way. -Christopher Hitchens --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 7 17:57:44 2013 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 13:57:44 -0400 Subject: encrypting/signing html emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Ben Walton wrote: > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Matt Price wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I'm thinking about taking another stab at using GPG/Enigmail to sign >> my outgoing messages. I'm hoping that enough of my friends & contacts >> are worried about spying, that some of them might actually be inspired >> to create their own keys this time... > > I'd like to think so but I'm still doubtful. Please prove me wrong > though. I'd love that! > > >> >> The only issue is that I now frequently send HTML email. Has anyone >> had success signing outgoing HTML mail? When I try to do it with >> enigmail/thunderbird,the html just gets converted to plaintext. It's >> posible I'm missing some kind of option, but my impression is that >> this is a limitation of enigmail; in any case, I'm hoping someone >> outthere has a solution. > > I've used gpg in many scenarios but never with thunderbird in any way. > If enigmail doesn't properly html mime email, it's entirely defective > imo. > > This page makes me think it's possible though: > http://superuser.com/questions/282016/html-or-rich-e-mails-do-not-work-with-enigmal-in-thunderbird > > Thanks Hey Ben! Nice to hear from you! Well, that seems to have fixed it. Thanks. Hopefully PGP/MIME is readable by my friends... What solutions do other people use? Mutt? KMail? I'd be interested to know how they work for you. Thanks, Matt > -Ben > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take the risk of thinking for yourself. Much more happiness, > truth, beauty and wisdom will come to you that way. > > -Christopher Hitchens > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 7 21:53:13 2013 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 17:53:13 -0400 Subject: encrypting/signing html emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7 September 2013 13:57, Matt Price wrote: > What solutions do other people use? Mutt? KMail? Perhaps Mailpile, in the (hopefully near) future -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 7 21:58:52 2013 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 17:58:52 -0400 Subject: MythTV hardware list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I am aware there are couple of people on the list who have setup a mythTV in the past. Never tried, but recently got curious about it and want to jump in. Basically, I barely watch any TV. I do however have a weak spot with John Steward's show and Colbert report. Watched these consistently since 2002. Tend to be outside or asleep a lot when the show is running, so get my fix on weekend through retarded flash on a computer. Oh and repeat advertisement that's driving me a bit nuts. So, what I want to do is setup MythTV, schedule it to record the two shows and I can binge on it at my time and away from flash. Looked around the documentation and I think I can handle it. May use Redhat based system - very comfortable with it - or Debian - seem well supported. The place I am not too certain is the hardware. And since its not free as the software side, it may be expensive to do trial and error. And hence the mail. What's currently in the market that can offer a good service without a big dent on my pocket? I mean on motherboard and TV tuner needed. Actually wonder if its worth assembling or picking something from store would do. Will need appropriate slot for TV card though so that may be a problem. Thanks in advance. William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 21:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MythTV hardware list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: William Muriithi | I am aware there are couple of people on the list who have setup a mythTV | in the past. TLUG has its own MythTV list! See Not too busy. Never tried, but recently got curious about it and want to | Basically, I barely watch any TV. I do however have a weak spot with John | Steward's show and Colbert report. Watched these consistently since 2002. | Tend to be outside or asleep a lot when the show is running, so get my fix | on weekend through retarded flash on a computer. Oh and repeat | advertisement that's driving me a bit nuts. The online version has fewer ads than the broadcast version, but much more repetition. And you cannot fast forward. I wonder if you can harvest those Flash files automatically. | So, what I want to do is setup MythTV, schedule it to record the two shows | and I can binge on it at my time and away from flash. MythTV has limitations imposed by The Industry. Digital cable is encrypted and awkward to record. Analog cable is great for MythTV but it is disappearing. Over The Air (OTA) is great. Satellite and Bell's-ov-the-wire service are bad. By bad, I mean: require MythTV to be downstream of a set-top box and even then Myth has trouble changing channels. So: what is your signal source? That determines much else. I'm too lazy to cover all the options when you probably already have one in mind. | Looked around the documentation and I think I can handle it. May use Redhat | based system - very comfortable with it - or Debian - seem well supported. I'm a mostly Fedora guy, but I think that the most simple way of getting MythTV is MythBuntu . If your needs are simple, XBMC might be even easier. I've not used it recently, but it can now record. There are even versions that run on the Raspberry Pi and other tiny platforms . Tiny/low-power/quiet are good if you are going to leave it on all the time. | The place I am not too certain is the hardware. Depends a lot on your signal source. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 8 01:33:13 2013 From: daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org (Daniel Wayne Armstrong) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 21:33:13 -0400 Subject: Iceweasel/Firefox segmentation fault Message-ID: Hello ... My father has a laptop running Debian Squeeze with all updates installed and he says that Iceweasel/Firefox 23.0 crashes on him daily. I managed to get the browser to consistently crash on the vanityfair.com website with this error: ATTENTION: default value of option force_s3tc_enable overridden by environment. ###!!! ABORT: X_GLXDestroyPixmap: GLXBadPixmap; 3 requests ago: file /tmp/buildd/iceweasel-23.0/toolkit/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 157 ###!!! ABORT: X_GLXDestroyPixmap: GLXBadPixmap; 3 requests ago: file /tmp/buildd/iceweasel-23.0/toolkit/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 157 Segmentation fault After searching there is not much to be found relevant to this issue ... the closest thing I found was this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=896287 ... but this laptop has Intel video (not nvidia) and the proposed fix - set "layers.acceleration.force-enabled=false" - already had the correct setting. He doesn't have any mozilla add-ons installed and running in safe-mode continues to result in crashing with above error message. Any help getting this fixed would be appreciated. Thanks! -- (o< .: http://www.circuidipity.com per curiositas ad astra (/)_ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 8 01:39:27 2013 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2013 21:39:27 -0400 Subject: MythTV hardware list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <522BD54F.3090508@ve3syb.ca> On 13-09-07 05:58 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > I am aware there are couple of people on the list who have setup a mythTV in > the past. Never tried, but recently got curious about it and want to jump in. [snip] > The place I am not too certain is the hardware. [snip] > Actually wonder if its worth assembling or picking something from store > would do. Will need appropriate slot for TV card though so that may be a > problem. I'm using MythTV with an Hauppage PVR-150 which was pre-installed in my HP media center desktop computer. It worked well with Ubuntu up to before the version where they added Unity. I jumped away from Ubuntu after that. I had been using 0.22 (or 0.23??) under Ubuntu and it worked great. The 0.25 version under Linux Mint 14 has a number of minor annoying issues that make it slightly better in some ways but worse in a number of other important ways to the previous version I used under Ubuntu. The PVR-150 will only tune the analog TV stations that remain on Rogers Cable. Rogers has started the move to all digital and have already dropped many stations off their analog line up. You could use MythTV with one of the free digital decoder boxes but you would have to find some means to let MythTV control the decoder box or else it won't be able to change the channels for you to make sure you record the programs you want. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 8 02:32:46 2013 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 22:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Iceweasel/Firefox segmentation fault In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Daniel Wayne Armstrong | Hello ... My father has a laptop running Debian Squeeze with all | updates installed and he says that Iceweasel/Firefox 23.0 crashes on | him daily. I managed to get the browser to consistently crash on the | vanityfair.com website with this error: My 23.01 Firefox on Fedora F19 x86-64 does not crash on that URL (I had no desire to browse the site -- no wait, now I'm hooked by the Mountbatten sisters dishing on Diana). Was your replication only on his laptop, or could you replicate it on another machine? | After searching there is not much to be found relevant to this issue | ... the closest thing I found was this: | | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=896287 | | ... but this laptop has Intel video (not nvidia) and the proposed fix | - set "layers.acceleration.force-enabled=false" - already had the | correct setting. I would create a new report. But I don't know if it is a Firefox problem or a debian problem, so I don't know which to report it to. When in doubt, debian, I guess. | He doesn't have any mozilla add-ons installed and running in safe-mode | continues to result in crashing with above error message. No Flash? Flash is blamed for many problems. | Any help getting this fixed would be appreciated. Thanks! Firefox is so complicated that I would not expect TLUGgers to be the best to report it to. Replication is important. It's good that you can reliably provoke it. Even better would be a way of duplicating it on other systems and configurations. Without that, it could just be a random problem with your father's machine. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 8 02:44:58 2013 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 22:44:58 -0400 Subject: encrypting/signing html emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Scott Allen wrote: > On 7 September 2013 13:57, Matt Price wrote: >> What solutions do other people use? Mutt? KMail? > > Perhaps Mailpile, in the (hopefully near) future > mailpile looks really great. I hope it comes together! I'll be keeping an eye on it. > > -- > Scott > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 8 03:16:01 2013 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 23:16:01 -0400 Subject: MythTV hardware list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > | on weekend through retarded flash on a computer. Oh and repeat > | advertisement that's driving me a bit nuts. > > The online version has fewer ads than the broadcast version, but much > more repetition. And you cannot fast forward. > Ya, read somewhere that's the case. But when you watch a week shows back to back, that too many advertising repetition for a brain to handle. > I wonder if you can harvest those Flash files automatically. > Tried once with little success. The only flash video I have had success with are on YouTube > | So, what I want to do is setup MythTV, schedule it to record the two shows > | and I can binge on it at my time and away from flash. > > MythTV has limitations imposed by The Industry. Digital cable is > encrypted and awkward to record. Analog cable is great for MythTV but > it is disappearing. Over The Air (OTA) is great. Satellite and > Bell's-ov-the-wire service are bad. > > By bad, I mean: require MythTV to be downstream of a set-top box and > even then Myth has trouble changing channels. > > So: what is your signal source? Over the air. Would be too expensive to subscribe for TV service while I only watch two shows. That determines much else. I'm too > lazy to cover all the options when you probably already have one in > mind. > > | Looked around the documentation and I think I can handle it. May use Redhat > | based system - very comfortable with it - or Debian - seem well supported. > > I'm a mostly Fedora guy, but I think that the most simple way of > getting MythTV is MythBuntu . > I like setting things package by package sometimes as I assume I will learn a lot that way. So may give above a try after I am done tinkering > If your needs are simple, XBMC might be even easier. I've not used it > recently, but it can now record. There are even versions that run on > the Raspberry Pi and other tiny platforms . > Tiny/low-power/quiet are good if you are going to leave it on all the > time. > > | The place I am not too certain is the hardware. > > Depends a lot on your signal source. > -- Over the air, too cheap to take Rogers service William ' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 8 06:39:35 2013 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 02:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MythTV hardware list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: William Muriithi | > So: what is your signal source? | Over the air. Would be too expensive to subscribe for TV service while I | only watch two shows. So: check if you have a good enough signal source: try watching the channel you care about (CFTO, I assume). If you don't, then solve that problem before moving on to investing time and money into a Myth setup. There are a bajilion options for OTA hardware for MythTV. Go look on their wiki, I guess. (I could google for it, but so can you.) - The Silicon Dust HD Homerun is supported and kind of cute: captures OTA ATSC, two channels, and puts it on your LAN. - the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-950q USB dongle will capture one ATSC signal. THere are rumours of some problems but I don't really know the status. - various Hauppauge PCI cards (but not all) do the job. I would guess that they now have PCIe cards too, but I haven't looked. XBMC may or may not support a similar collection of tuners. | I like setting things package by package sometimes as I assume I will learn | a lot that way. So may give above a try after I am done tinkering I found MythTV powerful and confusing but very useful. Your simple application suggests to me that you should try a simple solution. | Over the air, too cheap to take Rogers service I wish I could. I detest Rogers and Bell. But I live in a valley with no OTA signal. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bdwalton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 8 12:07:10 2013 From: bdwalton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ben Walton) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 13:07:10 +0100 Subject: encrypting/signing html emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Matt Price wrote: > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Ben Walton wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Matt Price wrote: >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> I'm thinking about taking another stab at using GPG/Enigmail to sign >>> my outgoing messages. I'm hoping that enough of my friends & contacts >>> are worried about spying, that some of them might actually be inspired >>> to create their own keys this time... >> >> I'd like to think so but I'm still doubtful. Please prove me wrong >> though. I'd love that! >> >> >>> >>> The only issue is that I now frequently send HTML email. Has anyone >>> had success signing outgoing HTML mail? When I try to do it with >>> enigmail/thunderbird,the html just gets converted to plaintext. It's >>> posible I'm missing some kind of option, but my impression is that >>> this is a limitation of enigmail; in any case, I'm hoping someone >>> outthere has a solution. >> >> I've used gpg in many scenarios but never with thunderbird in any way. >> If enigmail doesn't properly html mime email, it's entirely defective >> imo. >> >> This page makes me think it's possible though: >> http://superuser.com/questions/282016/html-or-rich-e-mails-do-not-work-with-enigmal-in-thunderbird >> >> Thanks > Hey Ben! Nice to hear from you! > > Well, that seems to have fixed it. Thanks. Hopefully PGP/MIME is > readable by my friends... Cool, glad to help. > > What solutions do other people use? Mutt? KMail? I'd be interested > to know how they work for you. I've used pgp with a few gui clients (evolution, kmail) in the past. My most recent use was with "sup" but that's not a client for the uninitiated. Thanks -Ben -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 8 13:03:38 2013 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (David Mason) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 09:03:38 -0400 Subject: encrypting/signing html emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7 September 2013 22:44, Matt Price wrote: > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Scott Allen wrote: >> Perhaps Mailpile, in the (hopefully near) future >> > > mailpile looks really great. I hope it comes together! I'll be > keeping an eye on it. The Indiegogo campaign is still on for 66 more hours - consider contributing, if you like the idea! (I did) http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mailpile-taking-e-mail-back/x/1830221 ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 8 13:54:03 2013 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2013 09:54:03 -0400 Subject: Iceweasel/Firefox segmentation fault In-Reply-To: <15107_1378604012_r881XWCU017190_CACa31mDvP3pP3W9Esj2tzWtmzk7vdHnHvjfYC2VdXqkEhUDc5w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <15107_1378604012_r881XWCU017190_CACa31mDvP3pP3W9Esj2tzWtmzk7vdHnHvjfYC2VdXqkEhUDc5w@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <522C817B.6090006@utoronto.ca> On 07/09/13 09:33 PM, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote: > Hello ... My father has a laptop running Debian Squeeze with all > updates installed and he says that Iceweasel/Firefox 23.0 crashes on > him daily. I managed to get the browser to consistently crash on the > vanityfair.com website with this error: I am running Jessie with Iceweasel 23 on a 64 bit laptop with no problems when I visit that site. > ATTENTION: default value of option force_s3tc_enable overridden by environment. > ###!!! ABORT: X_GLXDestroyPixmap: GLXBadPixmap; 3 requests ago: file > /tmp/buildd/iceweasel-23.0/toolkit/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 157 > ###!!! ABORT: X_GLXDestroyPixmap: GLXBadPixmap; 3 requests ago: file > /tmp/buildd/iceweasel-23.0/toolkit/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 157 > Segmentation fault > > After searching there is not much to be found relevant to this issue > ... the closest thing I found was this: > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=896287 I suspect it is a setting somewhere in his prefs.js that might be causing this. > ... but this laptop has Intel video (not nvidia) and the proposed fix > - set "layers.acceleration.force-enabled=false" - already had the > correct setting. > > He doesn't have any mozilla add-ons installed and running in safe-mode > continues to result in crashing with above error message. Try starting 'iceweasel -ProfileManager -new-instance' - make a new temporary profile and try to reproduce the crash. If it does *not* crash then you can look at his prefs.js file and try to find the offending setting. If it does crash, then you have a more general bug. Cheers, Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 8 13:59:38 2013 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2013 09:59:38 -0400 Subject: Iceweasel/Firefox segmentation fault In-Reply-To: <15107_1378604012_r881XWCU017190_CACa31mDvP3pP3W9Esj2tzWtmzk7vdHnHvjfYC2VdXqkEhUDc5w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <15107_1378604012_r881XWCU017190_CACa31mDvP3pP3W9Esj2tzWtmzk7vdHnHvjfYC2VdXqkEhUDc5w@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <522C82CA.5070505@utoronto.ca> On 07/09/13 09:33 PM, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote: > ATTENTION: default value of option force_s3tc_enable overridden by environment. > ###!!! ABORT: X_GLXDestroyPixmap: GLXBadPixmap; 3 requests ago: file > /tmp/buildd/iceweasel-23.0/toolkit/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 157 > ###!!! ABORT: X_GLXDestroyPixmap: GLXBadPixmap; 3 requests ago: file > /tmp/buildd/iceweasel-23.0/toolkit/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 157 > Segmentation fault Oh also, try launching iceweasel from the command line like this: export force_s3tc_enable=false; iceweasel That first message notes that something is forcing the value to true, if you toggle it to false, what happens? Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 8 15:12:43 2013 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 11:12:43 -0400 Subject: encrypting/signing html emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:03 AM, David Mason wrote: > On 7 September 2013 22:44, Matt Price wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Scott Allen wrote: >>> Perhaps Mailpile, in the (hopefully near) future >>> >> >> mailpile looks really great. I hope it comes together! I'll be >> keeping an eye on it. > > The Indiegogo campaign is still on for 66 more hours - consider > contributing, if you like the idea! (I did) > > http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mailpile-taking-e-mail-back/x/1830221 yeah, I donated too. it's great, and I'm really hopeful -- since evolution irritates me, thunderbird is barely developed anymore, I just can't get used to mutt or wanderlust, and I kinda like gmail, I was sort of losing hope on the Free MUA front! Nice to be reassured instead. > > ../Dave > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 8 15:41:51 2013 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 11:41:51 -0400 Subject: MythTV hardware list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I found this a good place to start: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Setting_Up#Connecting_your_display Peter > | From: William Muriithi > > | > So: what is your signal source? > | Over the air. Would be too expensive to subscribe for TV service while > I > | only watch two shows. > > So: check if you have a good enough signal source: try watching the > channel you care about (CFTO, I assume). If you don't, then solve > that problem before moving on to investing time and money into a Myth > setup. > > There are a bajilion options for OTA hardware for MythTV. Go look on > their wiki, I guess. (I could google for it, but so can you.) > > - The Silicon Dust HD Homerun is supported and kind of cute: captures > OTA ATSC, two channels, and puts it on your LAN. > > - the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-950q USB dongle will capture one ATSC > signal. THere are rumours of some problems but I don't really know > the status. > > - various Hauppauge PCI cards (but not all) do the job. I would guess > that they now have PCIe cards too, but I haven't looked. > > XBMC may or may not support a similar collection of tuners. > > | I like setting things package by package sometimes as I assume I will > learn > | a lot that way. So may give above a try after I am done tinkering > > I found MythTV powerful and confusing but very useful. Your simple > application suggests to me that you should try a simple solution. > > | Over the air, too cheap to take Rogers service > > I wish I could. I detest Rogers and Bell. But I live in a valley > with no OTA signal. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 8 16:24:36 2013 From: daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org (Daniel Wayne Armstrong) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 12:24:36 -0400 Subject: Iceweasel/Firefox segmentation fault In-Reply-To: <522C82CA.5070505-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <15107_1378604012_r881XWCU017190_CACa31mDvP3pP3W9Esj2tzWtmzk7vdHnHvjfYC2VdXqkEhUDc5w@mail.gmail.com> <522C82CA.5070505@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Thanks very much for the replies. When I visit my father's place again I will try out some of the suggestions on his machine. On my own laptop I am running Iceweasel 23.0.1 on 64-bit Debian Sid and I am unable to reproduce the problem. On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On 07/09/13 09:33 PM, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote: >> ATTENTION: default value of option force_s3tc_enable overridden by environment. >> ###!!! ABORT: X_GLXDestroyPixmap: GLXBadPixmap; 3 requests ago: file >> /tmp/buildd/iceweasel-23.0/toolkit/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 157 >> ###!!! ABORT: X_GLXDestroyPixmap: GLXBadPixmap; 3 requests ago: file >> /tmp/buildd/iceweasel-23.0/toolkit/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 157 >> Segmentation fault > > Oh also, try launching iceweasel from the command line like this: > > export force_s3tc_enable=false; iceweasel > > That first message notes that something is forcing the value to true, if > you toggle it to false, what happens? > > Jamon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- (o< .: http://www.circuidipity.com per curiositas ad astra (/)_ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 8 16:24:46 2013 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 12:24:46 -0400 Subject: Slashdot: John Gilmore Analyzes NSA Obstruction of Crypto In IPSEC Message-ID: "In a recent article posted on the cryptography mailing list, long time civil libertarian and free software entrepreneur John Gilmore has analyzed possible NSA obstruction of cryptography in IPSEC. He suggests that packet processing in the Linux kernel had been obstructed by one kernel developer. Gilmore suggests that the NSA has been plotting against strong cryptography on mobile phones." -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github & more Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 8 17:07:43 2013 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 13:07:43 -0400 Subject: Slashdot: John Gilmore Analyzes NSA Obstruction of Crypto In IPSEC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <93955eab4955550f27d4607849bbef2f.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> And there is this: http://antimatter15.com/wp/2013/09/x-no-wiretap/ which I think is Swiftian satire, but I'm not entirely certain... Peter > "In a recent article posted on the cryptography mailing list, long > time civil libertarian and free software entrepreneur John Gilmore has > analyzed possible NSA obstruction of cryptography in IPSEC. He > suggests that packet processing in the Linux kernel had been > obstructed by one kernel developer. Gilmore suggests that the NSA has > been plotting against strong cryptography on mobile phones." > > > > -- > Scott Elcomb > @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github & more > > Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems > http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ > > Member of the Pirate Party of Canada > http://www.pirateparty.ca/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 8 21:50:10 2013 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 17:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: encrypting/signing html emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Sep 2013, Scott Allen wrote: > On 7 September 2013 13:57, Matt Price wrote: >> What solutions do other people use? Mutt? KMail? > > Perhaps Mailpile, in the (hopefully near) future > Webmail? Blecchh!! -- Chris F.A. Johnson, Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 8 23:45:35 2013 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 19:45:35 -0400 Subject: Slashdot: John Gilmore Analyzes NSA Obstruction of Crypto In IPSEC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sep 8, 2013 12:25 PM, "Scott Elcomb" wrote: > > "In a recent article posted on the cryptography mailing list, long > time civil libertarian and free software entrepreneur John Gilmore has > analyzed possible NSA obstruction of cryptography in IPSEC. He > suggests that packet processing in the Linux kernel had been > obstructed by one kernel developer. Gilmore suggests that the NSA has > been plotting against strong cryptography on mobile phones." > > < http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/09/07/195241/john-gilmore-analyzes-nsa-obstruction-of-crypto-in-ipsec > Thanks. Subscribed to the mailing list. Look petty interesting and glad to know about it http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography William > > -- > Scott Elcomb > @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github & more > > Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems > http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ > > Member of the Pirate Party of Canada > http://www.pirateparty.ca/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 9 01:42:33 2013 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 21:42:33 -0400 Subject: Slashdot: John Gilmore Analyzes NSA Obstruction of Crypto In IPSEC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > > > "In a recent article posted on the cryptography mailing list, long > > time civil libertarian and free software entrepreneur John Gilmore has > > analyzed possible NSA obstruction of cryptography in IPSEC. He > > suggests that packet processing in the Linux kernel had been > > obstructed by one kernel developer. Gilmore suggests that the NSA has > > been plotting against strong cryptography on mobile phones." They possibly have an upper hand with phones. They just need to make sure Telecom toe the line. Think they may loose a bit of control with 4G. Being IP based straight to the end equipment, it may get harder especially if peer to peer ever work. But from reading around, it looks like their biggest win was making sure ipsec was not part ipv6. Can't help but brighten up thinking if that had happened. Imagine every connection from IPv6 being encrypted by default, isn't that kind of cute? Finally have a bit of technical stuff on what Bullrun is all about. Gosh, the fluff on general media was not very helpful William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 9 02:08:12 2013 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2013 22:08:12 -0400 Subject: Slashdot: John Gilmore Analyzes NSA Obstruction of Crypto In IPSEC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <522D2D8C.8010402@rogers.com> William Muriithi wrote: > But from reading around, it looks like their biggest win was making > sure ipsec was not part ipv6. My understanding was that IPSec was designed to be used with IPv6, but not required. It was then adapted to IPv4. Making IPSec a required part would really cause issues with accessing public sites in the manner we normally do. It's also more suitable for setting up static links than using it on an ad hoc basis to access web servers. SSL/TLS is much better in that regard. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 9 02:28:29 2013 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 22:28:29 -0400 Subject: Slashdot: John Gilmore Analyzes NSA Obstruction of Crypto In IPSEC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:42 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > Imagine every connection from IPv6 being encrypted by default, > isn't that kind of cute? Not really. I've been seeing quite a number of posts on several mailing lists the last few days regarding broken encryption. Some sample articles:* Tor: SSL: I'm not a security specialist and don't feel competent enough to comment - other than to say that I suppose it's still better to use encryption than not, and that I don't have much faith left for widely used schemes. Best, - Scott. * 3 recent articles for each, from first page of Google Search results (on "Tor Broken" & "SSL Broken" respectively). There are plenty of other sources discussing these though. -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github & more Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 9 06:10:27 2013 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 02:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Slashdot: John Gilmore Analyzes NSA Obstruction of Crypto In IPSEC In-Reply-To: <522D2D8C.8010402-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <522D2D8C.8010402@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: James Knott | | William Muriithi wrote: | > But from reading around, it looks like their biggest win was making | > sure ipsec was not part ipv6. | | My understanding was that IPSec was designed to be used with IPv6, but | not required. It was then adapted to IPv4. Making IPSec a required | part would really cause issues with accessing public sites in the manner | we normally do. It's also more suitable for setting up static links | than using it on an ad hoc basis to access web servers. SSL/TLS is much | better in that regard. It's complicated, but you are wrong :-) The FreeS/WAN Opportunistic Encryption based on IPSec would work resonably well for public sites. (I wrote much of the code that did it.) Encryption is easy, authentication is hard. In the case of ad hoc connections, the question becomes: just what are you authenticating? "Is this the stranger that I think it is?" kind of encapsulates the problem. SSL/TLS authenticates via a certificate chain. There's a tree of trust. Those trees get subverted. Verisign, for example, was run by ex-NSA folks (we thought that this was not an accident). FreeS/WAN Opportunistic Encryption used the IP address as identity and authenticated using public keys distributed through the Reverse DNS system. (NAT wasn't common when this was designed.) We assumed that people would get to populate their reverses. Remember, the internet was a network of peers. The internet has evolved. We're mostly partitioned into clients (without fixed IP addresses) and servers. Clients are second class and in the majority. Peer-to-peer is demonized (pirates!) and consumers are blocked from being first class by ISP terms of service etc. And all of us let that happen. FreeS/WAN OE was designed so that both sides would be authenticated. That's doesn't really work with NAT etc. But one-sided authentication (which is all that SSL/TLS manages) isn't a stretch. It is a reduction in security. The code worked. It took too long to get there (partly my fault). But almost nobody adoped OE. The userland code does get a lot of use for VPNs, but not OE (Libreswan, Strongswan, Openswan). The OE code is broken in current releases. Partly because of the broken kernel code that Gilmore mentions. I can vouch for the intransigence of the kernel developer. I felt it was ego, not NSA, at the root of that problem. US crypto export regulations played a part. We really needed DNSSec to protect against active man-in-the-middle attacks. Without it we could prevent pasive MITM attacks. We got involved a bit in trying to push it forward. I thought it was a scandal that it wasn't deployed 15 years ago. If we were to redo OE again, I'd make the identity-to-be-authenticated a domain name, not an IP address. I'd use DNSSec to distribute public keys (hey -- it does already). The IP stack doesn't really support that perfectly, but I have an idea of how to make it work without replacing the stack (using NAT as a tool for good!). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 9 11:19:10 2013 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 07:19:10 -0400 Subject: encrypting/signing html emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 7 Sep 2013, Scott Allen wrote: > >> On 7 September 2013 13:57, Matt Price wrote: >>> >>> What solutions do other people use? Mutt? KMail? >> >> >> Perhaps Mailpile, in the (hopefully near) future >> > > > Webmail? Blecchh!! it's just a python fetching/searching backend, with an html frontend. You can also run it on localhost. an html should frontend make it way easier, e.g., to write a firefoxos app for it. and I think they are considering other frontends. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 9 11:55:00 2013 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 07:55:00 -0400 Subject: Slashdot: John Gilmore Analyzes NSA Obstruction of Crypto In IPSEC In-Reply-To: References: <522D2D8C.8010402@rogers.com> Message-ID: <522DB714.5030209@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > FreeS/WAN Opportunistic Encryption used the IP address as identity and > authenticated using public keys distributed through the Reverse DNS > system. (NAT wasn't common when this was designed.) We assumed that > people would get to populate their reverses. Remember, the internet > was a network of peers. Given that IPSec was originally designed for IPv6, NAT wasn't even expected. > The OE code is broken in current releases. For some reason, whenever you write "OE", I read Outlook Express". ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 9 13:53:49 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:53:49 -0400 Subject: MythTV hardware list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130909135349.GH13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 09:24:22PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > By bad, I mean: require MythTV to be downstream of a set-top box and > even then Myth has trouble changing channels. I use a rogers 4250HD cable box with a an HD-PVR USB encoder connected via component video, with a firewire link to the 4250HD for channel changing and power control. This works quite well and rarely has issues. Not cheap given you are looking at close to $500 in hardware per input for recording. On the other hand you get to record full HD from the digital signal (although using an analog connection for the video. Audio can be either analog stereo, or spdif digital (including suround sound)). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 9 20:38:16 2013 From: thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mauro Souza) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 17:38:16 -0300 Subject: MTP on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <20130907005859.GA19572-dsyQKypJCoUP4pBOfwUP2bVn/6FJ7LQa@public.gmane.org> References: <5229E7AB.9060902@gmail.com> <1378514951.4654.3.camel@galt> <20130907005859.GA19572@uriel.asininetech.com> Message-ID: I second to AirDroid. I am able to put music, movies, whatever I want to my Galaxy S2 seamlessly, and no hurdles. Mauro http://mauro.limeiratem.com - registered Linux User: 294521 Scripture is both history, and a love letter from God. 2013/9/6 staticsafe > On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 08:49:11PM -0400, Todd Howe wrote: > > > > > Is there a way of transferring music from an Ubuntu box to a stock > > > Nexus 4? > > > > gMTP's the best thing I found for my Nexus 7 > > > > It's personally baffling that these things don't have a microSD slot > > > > -- > > -____ Todd Howe ____________________ tehowe-lJUvcdpYuyfIEIWhD7vHkg at public.gmane.org ____- > > -____ gpg public key id E8BCABA7__tehowe on skype or twitter ____- > > Not that baffling really, Google is trying to push their "cloud" > storage. > -- > staticsafe > O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org > Please don't top post. > Please don't CC! I'm subscribed to whatever list I just posted on. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 9 20:50:36 2013 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 16:50:36 -0400 Subject: Slashdot: John Gilmore Analyzes NSA Obstruction of Crypto In IPSEC In-Reply-To: References: <522D2D8C.8010402@rogers.com> Message-ID: <522E349C.6090307@rogers.com> I came across this today. http://www.itworldcanada.com/post/data-still-safer-with-encryption-experts?sub=146611&utm_source=146611&utm_medium=dailyitwire&utm_campaign=enews -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 9 21:06:04 2013 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 17:06:04 -0400 Subject: MTP on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <5229E7AB.9060902@gmail.com> <1378514951.4654.3.camel@galt> <20130907005859.GA19572@uriel.asininetech.com> Message-ID: I've been using BitTorrent Sync and really like it. There are down-sides: - free but closed-source (Windows, Mac, Linux) - they claim they're going to open the protocol, but I don't think they have yet - the encryption may well carry an NSA back door - sync chunks are 4MB minimum (ie. if you change one byte in a 3.95MB file, it sends the entire file, not exactly rsync) - would thus probably chew up your phone data package pretty badly (I don't have that worry, my tablet is WiFi only) - the initial set-up on a Linux machine includes automatically starting a wide-open web server (from which an attacker can harvest all your Sync passwords!) ... fixable in the config If you can get past these problems, it's incredibly easy to use: you drop files in a folder on your desktop, they appear on the phone as fast as your wifi can move them. It's been flawless for a couple months now. On 9 September 2013 16:38, Mauro Souza wrote: > I second to AirDroid. I am able to put music, movies, whatever I want to > my Galaxy S2 seamlessly, and no hurdles. > > Mauro > http://mauro.limeiratem.com - registered Linux User: 294521 > Scripture is both history, and a love letter from God. > > > 2013/9/6 staticsafe > >> On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 08:49:11PM -0400, Todd Howe wrote: >> > >> > > Is there a way of transferring music from an Ubuntu box to a stock >> > > Nexus 4? >> > >> > gMTP's the best thing I found for my Nexus 7 >> > >> > It's personally baffling that these things don't have a microSD slot >> > >> > -- >> > -____ Todd Howe ____________________ tehowe-lJUvcdpYuyfIEIWhD7vHkg at public.gmane.org ____- >> > -____ gpg public key id E8BCABA7__tehowe on skype or twitter ____- >> >> Not that baffling really, Google is trying to push their "cloud" >> storage. >> -- >> staticsafe >> O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org >> Please don't top post. >> Please don't CC! I'm subscribed to whatever list I just posted on. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 9 21:30:09 2013 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 17:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Slashdot: John Gilmore Analyzes NSA Obstruction of Crypto In IPSEC In-Reply-To: <522E349C.6090307-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <522D2D8C.8010402@rogers.com> <522E349C.6090307@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: James Knott | http://www.itworldcanada.com/post/data-still-safer-with-encryption-experts?sub=146611&utm_source=146611&utm_medium=dailyitwire&utm_campaign=enews Lots of comforting words, many unproveable. It is easy to prove the presence of bugs, but not their absence. Ditto for crypto weaknesses. He makes absolute claims for strength which cannot be justified. For what it's worth, I seem to remember that, for US citizens, broken crypto is worse than no crypto since encrypted communications can be legally stored by the NSA for many years while unencrypted messages cannot. As Canadians, we have no privacy rights with the NSA. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 9 21:32:27 2013 From: thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mauro Souza) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 18:32:27 -0300 Subject: MTP on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <5229E7AB.9060902@gmail.com> <1378514951.4654.3.camel@galt> <20130907005859.GA19572@uriel.asininetech.com> Message-ID: I installed btsync on my wife's galaxy ace, but even of the computer and the phone are on the same wifi network, upload rates from the phone to notebook are close to 10kbps. Yes, kbps... My Galaxy S2 fared better, but not that better: close to 600kbps. And drained battery pretty fast too. On the other hand, AirDroid drops GBs of music on my phone as fast as my card can write (~10mbps). Mauro http://mauro.limeiratem.com - registered Linux User: 294521 Scripture is both history, and a love letter from God. 2013/9/9 Giles Orr > I've been using BitTorrent Sync and really like it. There are down-sides: > > - free but closed-source (Windows, Mac, Linux) > - they claim they're going to open the protocol, but I don't think they > have yet > - the encryption may well carry an NSA back door > - sync chunks are 4MB minimum (ie. if you change one byte in a 3.95MB > file, it sends the entire file, not exactly rsync) > - would thus probably chew up your phone data package pretty badly (I > don't have that worry, my tablet is WiFi only) > - the initial set-up on a Linux machine includes automatically starting a > wide-open web server (from which an attacker can harvest all your Sync > passwords!) ... fixable in the config > > If you can get past these problems, it's incredibly easy to use: you drop > files in a folder on your desktop, they appear on the phone as fast as your > wifi can move them. It's been flawless for a couple months now. > > > > On 9 September 2013 16:38, Mauro Souza wrote: > >> I second to AirDroid. I am able to put music, movies, whatever I want to >> my Galaxy S2 seamlessly, and no hurdles. >> >> Mauro >> http://mauro.limeiratem.com - registered Linux User: 294521 >> Scripture is both history, and a love letter from God. >> >> >> 2013/9/6 staticsafe >> >>> On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 08:49:11PM -0400, Todd Howe wrote: >>> > >>> > > Is there a way of transferring music from an Ubuntu box to a stock >>> > > Nexus 4? >>> > >>> > gMTP's the best thing I found for my Nexus 7 >>> > >>> > It's personally baffling that these things don't have a microSD slot >>> > >>> > -- >>> > -____ Todd Howe ____________________ tehowe-lJUvcdpYuyfIEIWhD7vHkg at public.gmane.org ____- >>> > -____ gpg public key id E8BCABA7__tehowe on skype or twitter ____- >>> >>> Not that baffling really, Google is trying to push their "cloud" >>> storage. >>> -- >>> staticsafe >>> O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org >>> Please don't top post. >>> Please don't CC! I'm subscribed to whatever list I just posted on. >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> > > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 10 12:16:14 2013 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:16:14 -0400 Subject: MTP on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <5229E7AB.9060902@gmail.com> <1378514951.4654.3.camel@galt> <20130907005859.GA19572@uriel.asininetech.com> Message-ID: <522F0D8E.4030709@gmail.com> Thanks for all the suggestions. Looks like AirDroid wins it, and it will be what I use from now on. It's really only my Nexus 4 that has MTP problems; my Nexus 7 and an MTP camera work fine. Sorry I'll be missing the Beaglebone talk tonight. Sounds like fun. cheers, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From anthony-P5WJPa9AKEcsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 10 15:17:51 2013 From: anthony-P5WJPa9AKEcsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Anthony Verevkin) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 11:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: off-topic: FTTH in Toronto In-Reply-To: <5229EEB9.9050308-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <5229EEB9.9050308@ss.org> Message-ID: <54ec0405-e633-4b2e-8859-bc95306c41e8@zimbra> > From: "Scott Sullivan" > > The CRTC hasn't told Bell to share their new toys (yet), so they > > don't. > > The reason other ISPs get access to the new FTTN speeds is because > they > are still using the copper lines for the last mile. It's those copper > lines which are a government supplied monopoly overseen by the CRTC. > That monopoly is there because the installation of the copper was > originally government subsidized. > Right. But that's not the case with Rogers. Rogers has built their whole cable network with no subsidies, but they now have to share their cable with others the same way Bell does. So there must be something else to it. Originally I also thought that the ruling for sharing the infrastructure had the intention for the small ISPs to be able to provide services to everyone during the transition period when they would roll out their own cable. However nobody does even start to put their wires. Then I've heard a different opinion that municipalities and landlords don't want anyone other than a couple of established companies like Bell and Rogers (or Cogeco) to mess with cables on their property. And so only those will ever own the last mile and CRTC will keep on forcing them to share their infrastructure to create "the competition". We are living in a screwed world. Regards, Anthony -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 10 15:24:28 2013 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 11:24:28 -0400 Subject: off-topic: FTTH in Toronto In-Reply-To: <54ec0405-e633-4b2e-8859-bc95306c41e8@zimbra> References: <54ec0405-e633-4b2e-8859-bc95306c41e8@zimbra> Message-ID: <522F39AC.7020102@rogers.com> Anthony Verevkin wrote: > Right. But that's not the case with Rogers. Rogers has built their whole > cable network with no subsidies, but they now have to share their cable > with others the same way Bell does. So there must be something else to it. Don't forget, when they "share" their system, they're paid for it. Same with the cell network. Bell was complaining that Verizon would ride for free on the existing networks, while ignoring the fact that any company roaming on another has to pay to do so. Wind customers roamed on Rogers and paid extra when they did so. Bell also complained about possbile job loss, yet have for years sent jobs out of the country. My heart bleeds for them. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 10 19:59:37 2013 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:59:37 -0400 Subject: off-topic: FTTH in Toronto In-Reply-To: <522F39AC.7020102-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <54ec0405-e633-4b2e-8859-bc95306c41e8@zimbra> <522F39AC.7020102@rogers.com> Message-ID: FWIW: I currently use TekSavvy for my DSL. They have what is called FTTN (Fibre to the Neighbourhood), which I suppose can't be as good as FTTH but still not too bad (50/10). The data cap is at 300GB but any traffic between 2-8am isn't counted against that cap. The equipment is all clearly labeled as Bell, including the OEM router which apparemntly has Bell-sepcific tweaks and thus cannot be bought off-the-shelf. Having said that... not only does Bell charge more for the service, the Bell website denies that I even have that service available (my speed tests -- using Bell's own test site at http://206.47.199.107/ and others -- confirm that I do have 50/10). On 10 September 2013 11:24, James Knott wrote: > Anthony Verevkin wrote: > > Right. But that's not the case with Rogers. Rogers has built their whole > > cable network with no subsidies, but they now have to share their cable > > with others the same way Bell does. So there must be something else to > it. > > Don't forget, when they "share" their system, they're paid for it. Same > with the cell network. Bell was complaining that Verizon would ride for > free on the existing networks, while ignoring the fact that any company > roaming on another has to pay to do so. Wind customers roamed on Rogers > and paid extra when they did so. Bell also complained about possbile > job loss, yet have for years sent jobs out of the country. My heart > bleeds for them. ;-) > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Evan Leibovitch Toronto Canada Em: evan at telly dot org Sk: evanleibovitch Tw: el56 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 10 20:29:26 2013 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:29:26 -0400 Subject: MythTV hardware list In-Reply-To: <20130909135349.GH13099-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20130909135349.GH13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: I am working right now with a HDHomerun tunerconnected to my wired home network at one end, and an attic-mounted antenna at the other. The HDHR has explicit support for MythTV and from XBMC, but I'm trying to make it work with a lighter-weight Linux back-end called TVheadend instead of Myth. My ultimate goal, is to give multiple TVs in the house access to the dual-tuner HDHR, in some cases using RaspBMC. While waiting for this to work, I take advantage of HDHR's native support for Windows Media Center -- while use and watching is plug-and-play, the online schedule downloads are not. :-P Here are the digital channels I currently get over the air. RELIABLE: - CFTO (CTV) - CBLT (CBC) - CIII (Global) - CBLFT (Radio Canada) - CITY - CFMT (OMNI1) - CJMT (OMNI2) - CKCS (Crossroads) - CICA (TVOntario) - WIVB (CBS) - WNLO (theCW) UNRELIABLE BUT OCCASIONALLY USABLE - WNED (PBS) - WGRZ (NBC) - WUTV (Fox) There's also a Buffalo Christian channel whose name I can't recall that shows up from time to time. All signals are HD and really sharp (I'm told that Rogers signals are compressed and inferior to uncompressed OTA) - Evan On 9 September 2013 09:53, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 09:24:22PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > By bad, I mean: require MythTV to be downstream of a set-top box and > > even then Myth has trouble changing channels. > > I use a rogers 4250HD cable box with a an HD-PVR USB encoder connected > via component video, with a firewire link to the 4250HD for channel > changing and power control. This works quite well and rarely has issues. > Not cheap given you are looking at close to $500 in hardware per input > for recording. On the other hand you get to record full HD from the > digital signal (although using an analog connection for the video. Audio > can be either analog stereo, or spdif digital (including suround sound)). > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Evan Leibovitch Toronto Canada Em: evan at telly dot org Sk: evanleibovitch Tw: el56 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 10 21:05:52 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 17:05:52 -0400 Subject: MythTV hardware list In-Reply-To: References: <20130909135349.GH13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20130910210552.GI13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 04:29:26PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I am working right now with a HDHomerun > tunerconnected > to my wired home network at one end, and an attic-mounted > antenna at the > other. The HDHR has explicit support for MythTV and from XBMC, but I'm > trying to make it work with a lighter-weight Linux back-end called > TVheadend instead of Myth. > > My ultimate goal, is to give multiple TVs in the house access to the > dual-tuner HDHR, in some cases using RaspBMC. > > While waiting for this to work, I take advantage of HDHR's native support > for Windows Media Center -- while use and watching is plug-and-play, the > online schedule downloads are not. :-P > > Here are the digital channels I currently get over the air. > > RELIABLE: > > - CFTO (CTV) > - CBLT (CBC) > - CIII (Global) > - CBLFT (Radio Canada) > - CITY > - CFMT (OMNI1) > - CJMT (OMNI2) > - CKCS (Crossroads) > - CICA (TVOntario) > - WIVB (CBS) > - WNLO (theCW) > > UNRELIABLE BUT OCCASIONALLY USABLE > > - WNED (PBS) > - WGRZ (NBC) > - WUTV (Fox) > > There's also a Buffalo Christian channel whose name I can't recall that > shows up from time to time. > > All signals are HD and really sharp (I'm told that Rogers signals are > compressed and inferior to uncompressed OTA) OTA is also compressed MPEG2, but rogers recompresses it even further as far as I understand it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 10 21:19:27 2013 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 17:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Flow-Based Programming meetup Message-ID: Paul Tarvydas, sometime TLUG attendee, is trying to start a group about FBP. (I don't yet know what FBP is, but I'm interested. Haven't had time to read the google hits.) First meetup is tomorrow. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 10 21:39:29 2013 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 17:39:29 -0400 Subject: off-topic: FTTH in Toronto In-Reply-To: <54ec0405-e633-4b2e-8859-bc95306c41e8@zimbra> References: <54ec0405-e633-4b2e-8859-bc95306c41e8@zimbra> Message-ID: On 09/10/2013 11:17 AM, Anthony Verevkin wrote: >> From: "Scott Sullivan" >>> The CRTC hasn't told Bell to share their new toys (yet), so they >>> don't. >> The reason other ISPs get access to the new FTTN speeds is because >> they >> are still using the copper lines for the last mile. It's those copper >> lines which are a government supplied monopoly overseen by the CRTC. >> That monopoly is there because the installation of the copper was >> originally government subsidized. >> > Right. But that's not the case with Rogers. Rogers has built their whole > cable network with no subsidies, but they now have to share their cable > with others the same way Bell does. So there must be something else to it. Neither Bell nor Rogers received government subsidies to lay their cables to houses or any customer buildings. In the case of Bell, the reason they had to share their infrastructure (not just cable) was that the monopoly pricing module within which they operated meant that everyone (in Ontario and Quebec) had paid for that infrastructure through local and long distance fees. So, if a bunch of customers left Bell for another provider, they could justifiably say that since they helped to pay for that infrastructure, they had a right to use it. That was the view that the CRTC adopted. > > Originally I also thought that the ruling for sharing the infrastructure > had the intention for the small ISPs to be able to provide services to > everyone during the transition period when they would roll out their > own cable. However nobody does even start to put their wires. There was initially a time period (I think 5 years) after which the other providers were suppose to look after themselves with their own infrastructure, unless they were simply a reseller. But who would be interested in that? The cost is huge. Much easier and much, much cheaper to have someone else do the work. In the 80's and 90's, Bell's network capital expenditures were around $10B per year (about 70-75% in Ontario). A good chunk of that would have been equipment, not just the last mile, but still big numbers. For a start-up, there's no way to make a small network investment and still have enough clients to make money. Unless it's to provide fibre to commercial entities in a small geographic area, which has been somewhat profitable for some small companies. > > Then I've heard a different opinion that municipalities and landlords > don't want anyone other than a couple of established companies like > Bell and Rogers (or Cogeco) to mess with cables on their property. > And so only those will ever own the last mile and CRTC will keep on > forcing them to share their infrastructure to create "the competition". > We are living in a screwed world. For municipalities, there's probably some truth to that. Each municipality has a very clear line of communication to Bell and Rogers. And before competition, every municipality received a receipts tax (about 6% I think) of revenue generated by the telephone company from customers within their borders. Rogers was likely the same. I suppose it compensated them for all the road allowances, easements and such. Having to deal with other providers would just add confusion. But since no other providers have been laying their own cable, I guess it's a mute point. Landlords are just trying to jump on the bandwagon. Some would receive kickbacks from alternate providers for exclusive network access to their building. It was a controversial tactic since the whole idea of competition was being turned on it's head by this restriction. Rogers (and others who have since disappeared) were very aggressive at this and took a lot of business away from Bell. After complaints by Bell that this was against the rules of competition, the CRTC ruled that they had no jurisdiction over private property. I haven't heard if Bell ever decided to pull the same stunt to get exclusive access, but initially they refused. Developers constructing subdivisions would also get paid by Rogers (and others who are no longer around) for exclusive access to their trenches. That was allowed by the CRTC (private property) up to the date when the subdivision was turned over to the municipality, at which point no restrictions were allowed. By this time, of course, all trenches were filled and paved/sodded over, so not much chance of any competition there. But the fact that no one else lays cable, aside from the old monopoly companies like Bell and Rogers, is simply cost. > > Regards, > Anthony > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 11 03:43:12 2013 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 23:43:12 -0400 Subject: X Session Message-ID: Hello All, On Windows I am accustomed to establishing an RDP session, running a task and disconnecting. I can usually reconnect to that session and continue from where I left off. What do I need to do; to get the same functionality on X.org? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 11 04:16:02 2013 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 00:16:02 -0400 Subject: X Session In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can do in CL with "screen". For GUI, you would want to set up a second (or more) X server, and use a RDP to it, via remote desktop screen share. i.e. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=213756 then RDP/VNC to the that XServer. You could create the additional XServer via ssh (remote script even), then connect, then do controlled shutdown when your finished. But it would be there as you left it if you rdp drops. Having said that, if you run a gnome desktop env via a X-client (or X over SSH, etc), if it disconnects, I wonder if you could reconnect to that? I think all apps would cascade kill when the main desktop env. dies, kind of like with a ssh and tasks spawned from it that are not nohup'd. -tl On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Hello All, > On Windows I am accustomed to establishing an RDP session, running a task > and disconnecting. I can usually reconnect to that session and continue from > where I left off. > > What do I need to do; to get the same functionality on X.org? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 11 04:52:34 2013 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 00:52:34 -0400 Subject: Flow-Based Programming meetup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130911045234.GA26321@node1.localdomain> I just signed up. See you there. -- William On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 05:19:27PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Paul Tarvydas, sometime TLUG attendee, is trying to start a group about > FBP. (I don't yet know what FBP is, but I'm interested. Haven't had > time to read the google hits.) > > First meetup is tomorrow. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 11 06:19:25 2013 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 02:19:25 -0400 Subject: X Session In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok I got a solution running. "xpra" is an X proxy that runs on the target server. its *exactly* what I was looking for! On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 12:16 AM, ted leslie wrote: > You can do in CL with "screen". > For GUI, you would want to set up a second (or more) X server, and use > a RDP to it, via remote desktop screen share. > i.e. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=213756 > then RDP/VNC to the that XServer. > You could create the additional XServer via ssh (remote script even), > then connect, then do controlled shutdown when your finished. > But it would be there as you left it if you rdp drops. > > Having said that, if you run a gnome desktop env via a X-client (or X > over SSH, etc), if it disconnects, I wonder if you could reconnect to > that? > I think all apps would cascade kill when the main desktop env. dies, > kind of like with a ssh and tasks spawned from it that are not > nohup'd. > > > -tl > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > > Hello All, > > On Windows I am accustomed to establishing an RDP session, running a task > > and disconnecting. I can usually reconnect to that session and continue > from > > where I left off. > > > > What do I need to do; to get the same functionality on X.org? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 11 11:19:45 2013 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 07:19:45 -0400 Subject: X Session In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <523051D1.2090905@gmail.com> On 13-09-11 02:19 AM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > > "xpra" is an X proxy that runs on the target server. its */exactly/* > what I was looking for! That's rather good; thank you. Works well on current Raspbian for Raspberry Pi. Not fast, mind, but well, and the simple joy of having a bunch of remote windows reopen when you reattach your session can't be beaten. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 11 14:30:07 2013 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 10:30:07 -0400 Subject: How to Create Custom Voice Commands with Tasker and AutoVoice Message-ID: Thought some of the tinkering/hacking types who use Android might find this fun. Basically you can tell your device to do anything by voice command: How to Create Custom Voice Commands with Tasker and AutoVoice http://lifehacker.com/how-to-create-custom-voice-commands-with-tasker-and-aut-1282209195 Sent from Pocket. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maureen-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 11 16:23:47 2013 From: maureen-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Maureen Thornton) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:23:47 -0400 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: GTALUG Meeting Attendance Count In-Reply-To: <4F6C1FFD-689F-4470-AB8C-B2A8A6274B4D-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <4F6C1FFD-689F-4470-AB8C-B2A8A6274B4D@mylesbraithwaite.com> Message-ID: <1378916627.1947.22.camel@crystal> Glad to see this statistic. Hope everyone turns up for the short annul meeting next month! ...The more people we have as paid up member ($20.00/students $10.00) the better it is for some of the things being done and contemplated. On Tue, 2013-09-10 at 20:00 -0400, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > 40 > > Myles Braithwaite | http://mylesb.ca/i -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 11 18:12:50 2013 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:12:50 -0400 Subject: MythTV hardware list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sep 7, 2013 5:59 PM, "William Muriithi" wrote: > > Hi, > > I am aware there are couple of people on the list who have setup a mythTV in the past. Never tried, but recently got curious about it and want to jump in. > > Basically, I barely watch any TV. I do however have a weak spot with John Steward's show and Colbert report. Watched these consistently since 2002. Tend to be outside or asleep a lot when the show is running, so get my fix on weekend through retarded flash on a computer. Oh and repeat advertisement that's driving me a bit nuts. > > So, what I want to do is setup MythTV, schedule it to record the two shows and I can binge on it at my time and away from flash. > Looked around the documentation and I think I can handle it. May use Redhat based system - very comfortable with it - or Debian - seem well supported. > > The place I am not too certain is the hardware. And since its not free as the software side, it may be expensive to do trial and error. And hence the mail. What's currently in the market that can offer a good service without a big dent on my pocket? I mean on motherboard and TV tuner needed. > > Actually wonder if its worth assembling or picking something from store would do. Will need appropriate slot for TV card though so that may be a problem. > > Thanks in advance. > > William If it's just those two shows you want, why not just grab them from Pirate Bay or Eztv? Nice quality and no commercials, and of course watch them at your convenience. Not sure why it would be any different than grabbing them off an antenna. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 11 18:57:49 2013 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:57:49 -0400 Subject: MythTV hardware list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From a legality standpoint, pulling torrents from eztv.it and such has some "legal questions." Folks employed by the famous media conglomerates would doubtless want to use terms that would point our thoughts towards crimes characterized by violent rape, murder and pillage. >From a purely technical perspective, I like it a lot, as it has fewer spinning hardware components that need to be coordinated. And no need for direct dependency on the good graces of the media conglomerates to not put in the roadblocks that they clearly are keen to apply... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 12 00:17:09 2013 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:17:09 -0400 Subject: X Session In-Reply-To: <523051D1.2090905-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <523051D1.2090905@gmail.com> Message-ID: There is a Windows client too. Performance seems to be on par with Windows 2003 RDP. On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 13-09-11 02:19 AM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > > > > "xpra" is an X proxy that runs on the target server. its */exactly/* > > what I was looking for! > > That's rather good; thank you. Works well on current Raspbian for > Raspberry Pi. Not fast, mind, but well, and the simple joy of having a > bunch of remote windows reopen when you reattach your session can't be > beaten. > > Stewart > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 12 02:23:03 2013 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 22:23:03 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation status of Opportunistic Encryption for IPsec In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This post offer more information on a recent discussion we had here of opportunist encryption Thought it may be interesting read for the group William ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Paul Wouters" Date: Sep 11, 2013 1:07 PM Subject: [Cryptography] History and implementation status of Opportunistic Encryption for IPsec To: Cc: "D. Hugh Redelmeier" , "John Gilmore" History and implementation status of Opportunistic Encryption for IPsec NOTE: On September 28, there is be a memorial service in Ann Arbour for Hugh Daniel, manager of the old IPsec FreeS/WAN Project. Various crypto people will attend, including a bunch of us from freeswan. Hugh would have loved nothing better than his memorial service being used as a focal point to talk about "new OE", so that's what we will do on Saturday and Sunday. If you are interested in attending, feel free to contact me. In light of the NSA achievements, a few people asked about the FreeS/WAN IPsec OE efforts and whatever happened to it. The short answer is, we failed and got distracted. The long answer follows below. At the end I will talk about the current plans that have lingered in the last two years to revive this initiative. Below I will use the word "we" a lot. Its meaning changes based on the context as various communities touched, merged, intersected and drifted apart. OE in a nutshell For those not familiar with IPsec OE as per FreeS/WAN implementation. When activated, a host would install a blocking policy for 0.0.0.0/0. Every packet to an IP address would trigger the kernel to hold the packet and signal the IKE daemon to go find an IPsec policy for that destination. If found, the tunnel would be build, and an IPsec tunnel to the remote IP would be established, and packets would flow. If no policy was found, a "pass" hole was poked so packets would go out unencrypted. Public keys for IP addresses were looked up in the reverse DNS by the IKE daemon based on the destination address. To help with roaming clients (roadwarriors), initiators could store their public key in their FQDN, and convey their FQDN as ID when performing IKE so the remote peer could look up their public key in the forward DNS. This came at the price of two dynamic clients not being able to do OE to each other. (turns out they couldn't anyway, because of NAT) What were the reasons for failing to encrypt the internet with OE IPsec (in no particular order) 1) Fragmentation of IPsec kernel stacks In part due to the early history of FreeS/WAN combined with the export restrictions at the time. Instead of spending more time on IKE and key management for large scale enduser IPsec, we ended up wasting a lot of time fixing the FreeS/WAN KLIPS IPsec stack module for each Linux release. Another IPsec stack, which we dubbed XFRM/NETKEY appeared around 2.6.9 and was backported to 2.4.x. It was terribly incomplete and severely broken. With KLIPS not being within the kernel tree, it was never taken into account. XFRM/NETKEY remained totally unsuitable for OE for a decade. XFRM/NETKEY now has almost all functionality needed - I found out today it shoudl finally have first+last packet caching for dynamic tunnels, which are essential for OE. Since the application's first packet triggered the IKE mechanism, the application would start retransmitting before IKE was completed. Even when the tunnel finally came up, the application was usually still waiting on that TCP retransmit. David McCullough and I still spend a lot of time fixing up KLIPS to work with the current Linux kernel. Look at ipsec_kversion.h just to see what a nightmare it has been to support Linux 2.0 to 2.6 (libreswan removed support for anything lower then recent 2.4.x kernels) Linux IPsec Crypto hardware acceleration in practise is only possible with KLIPS + OCF, as the mainstraim async crypto is lacking in hardware driver support. If you want to build OE into people's router/modem/setup box, this is important, though admittingly less so as time has moved on and even embedded hardware and phones are multicore or have special crypto CPU instructions. An effort to make the kernel the sole provider of crypto algorithms that everyone could use also failed, and the idea was abandoned when CPU crypto instructions appeared directly accessable from userland. 2) US citizens could not contribute code or patches to FreeS/WAN This was John Gilmore's policy to ensure the software remained free for US citizens. If no US citizen touched the code, it would be immune to any presidential National Security Letter. I believe this was actually the main reason for KLIPS not going in mainstream kernel, although personal egos of kernel people seemed to have played a role here as well. Freeswan people really tried had in 2000/2001 to hook KLIPS into the kernel just the way the kernel people wanted. (Ironically, the XFRM/NETKEY hook so bad, it even confuses tcpdump and with it every sysadmin trying to see whether or not their traffic is encrypted) I still don't fully understand why it was never merged, as the code was GPL, and it should have just been merged in, even against John's wishes. Someone would have stepped in as maintainer - after all the initial brunt of the work had been done and we had a functional IPsec stack. In the summer of 2003, I talked to John and together we agreed it was time to fork. Openswan was born to clearly indicate US coders could contribute. However, at that point the (then crappy) XFRM/NETKEY IPsec stack was there to prevent OE from working due to the missing first+last packet caching. The FreeS/WAN Project ended and Openswan continued. At first in good pace, but that later slowed down and OE was no longer its focal point. (Due to legal reasons, I cannot go into details regarding the openswan history) 3) Not using DNS without DNSSEC There were various issues that caused DNSSEC to get massively delayed. We needed DNSSEC to secure our DNS based distributed public key platform. Although it would have worked fine to use DNS against passive attackers (NSA trawling), we believed it was principly wrong to trust cryptographic material that was untrusted and vulnerable against active attacks. So while the developers encouraged people to put keys in DNS even without security, no one else picked it up. It sucks to need to say 'we told you so'. But we should have really not waited on DNSSEC. 3) Dealing with the DNS working groups at IETF The DNS community is one of the most pedantic group of people I know. They are very smart, often right, and had been known to be extremely defense of their DNS turf. (Note that things have improved considerably and if you think this is still an issue, I'm happy to try and help) IETF was divided about the convergence of the "security of the DNS" and the "DNS as PKI" despite that this had always been a goal of DNSSEC for a large group of people within the IETF. The FreeS/WAN people were driving DNSSEC not so much for DNS as for the key distribution. After all, you can detect DNS forging if you know your public keys. When we had the KEY/SIG records ready to go, it was decreed that it could only be used for the DNS itself. Applications could not use this KEY record. To make that distinction more clear, on the next change in the draft protocol, KEY was obsoleted and DNSKEY introduced. So IPsec keys were relegated back to TXT, since at the time we had no Generic Record format (RFC 3597) support, so waiting for any new RRtype to get any deployment to become usuable would take years. Almost everyone was on bind4 and never upgraded left us with no other choice but the TXT. Even though we wrote the OE and IPSECKEY RFCs, OE's only deployments were done using TXT records. 4) DNSSEC was delayed by a decade DNSSEC deployment was slowly gaining traction, but I think we really needed the Kaminsky bug to get that extra push for DNSSEC outside the geeks of the IETF. The US government mandate for DNSSEC in .GOV helped as well. But by this time, OE was mostly forgotten. djb repeatedly tried to peddle his own warez. While not at all realistic, it always gained a lot of hype and media attention and probably did cause delays of DNSSEC deployment. Kaminsky himself was shooting down DNSSEC too. I personally heckled him at various Black Hat's and ICANN conferences until we finally sat down for a couple of hours to talk about DNSSEC's history and design goals. I'll claim my 15 minutes of fame for having converted him. It helped having Kaminsky say that although he didn't like the complexity, he couldn't see anything better. DNSSEC was needed for everyone. DNSSEC was gaining traction. Then we ran into a bunch of DNSSEC deployment issues. We had the delays due to NSEC vs NSEC3 with OPTIN, and then on top of that in 2008 when the first big ISP in Sweden turned on DNSSEC in their resolvers all that traction was blown away. Most consumer routers ran DNS proxies that implemented DNS as "known bitstreams" instead of implemeting the actual DNS protocol. The DNSSEC OK bit caused thousands of routers to drop DNSSEC packets as "invalid DNS". The only realistic solution: Turn it off and wait two years for those routers to get obsoleted by faster wifi standards and talk to those vendors so they would not repeat their mistake with their next generation of routers. We now have the IPSECKEY record format (though RFC 4025 is not useful, see below) and RFC 3597 for the generic DNS record deployed on all DNS servers. And we're on our way to have DNSSEC on every end node (see also draft-wouters-edns-tcp-chain-**query-00 I just submitted to the IETF) We have a mostly clean working UDP/TCP port 53 transport for DNSSEC on most networks (in part thanks to Google DNS). Although our hotspot handling is still a little rough, with dnssec-trigger the only tool to hack configurable DNSSEC support into the OS for our coffee shop visits when we need to rely on forged DNS. 4) When you're NAT on the net, you're NOT on the net. Opportunistic Encryption relied on a clear peer to peer connection. But we managed to degrade the internet into servers and clients. NAT was the biggest problem, and with CGN around the corner, it's not something that is going away despite IPv6 offering enough IPs for everyone. In fact, for our "new OE", this is the biggest hurdle to overcome. When Alice cannot talk to Bob because she cannot reach him due to a (carrier grade) NAT, we are stuck wildly poking holes and hoping packets flow. 5) The reverse DNS tree is dead Jim OE depended on the reverse tree as a security mechanism that someone who was claiming a public key for a specific IP range was actually the legitimate owner of that IP space. It was the security method for RFC-4025. But unless you are running in a datacenter, you do not have access to the reverse DNS. It is useless as key distribtion method. On top of that, large IPv6 deployments don't even care any more to run any authoritative DNS for their reverse. 6) BTNS The IETF tried to revive this OE with the Better Then Nothing Security ("BTNS") working group. Contrary to the name, they also fell into the "perfect is the enemy of good" trap and most discussion seemed to go into "channel binding" to upgrade anonymous IPsec to some kind of authenticated IPsec - at least by the time I became aware of them. In other words, the most important problem of key distribution was left outside the scope and no one actually seemed to have implemented anything. Though I have to admit, I'm behind on reading the VPN auto-discovery drafts. It is just very discouraging to still be reading problem statement drafts. More over, I don't think we should setup IPsec tunnels based on packets hitting the kernel. We have better ways now that we can leverage DNSSEC. 7) We were all complacent The only interest for IPsec was for corporate VPNs. During the above listed problem periods, OE people gave up. Some walked away from IETF. While everyone gained an always-on portable IP device, their crypto capabilities were practically non-existent. My current iphone 5 can connect to a corporate VPN, but trying to make it _just_ send out encrypted packets is impossible. Some trickery can be used to cause almost any packet to setup the VPN, but while that's going on it is still leaking like a sieve. VPN is seen by phone vendors as a method to gain some enterprise users, not as the tool to protect the consumer. The Apple VPN client is a 10+ year old patched version of racoon. The only vendor that took VPNs seriously was RIM and we punished them by not buying their products, because we had other priorities like FourSquare, Facebook and Twitter. We can only hope that those PRISM players are now put under economic pressure by frightened consumers to fix this. But as long as VPNs and DNSSEC is slow and error-prone, it is better for them not to go there. The New Opportunistic Encryption I've been brainstorming with various people on how to put IPsec OE back on the table. I've discussed this with a bunch of people around me, including the late Hugh Daniel, John Gilmore and Hugh Redelmeier of freeswan. The packet capturing 0.0.0.0/0 policy is not a good method because we cannot make any decision on where to find a public key for an IP address. The reverse is unusable, and IP addresses change often. We used it because we had nothing better. But now we do. Since every (secure) platform now runs DNSSEC on the end node, we can use this as our decision making point. Imagine my phone running a DNSSEC resolver (say unbound) and an IKE daemon (say libreswan). The DNS server has access to the set of DNS name and matching IP address. It can lookup the key in the forward DNS zone, and hand over the public key, dns name and IP address to the IKE daemon! 1) User tells browser to go to www.cypherpunks.ca 2) browser does a lookup for the A/AAAA record of www.cypherpunks.ca 3) DNSSEC resolver performs the lookup/validation for the A/AAAA record of www.cypherpunks.ca and additionally looks up the IPSECKEY record of www.cypherpunks.ca. 4a) The resolver will wait with returning the A/AAAA record to the browser until it knows if the IPSECKEY record exists or not. If not, it releases the A/AAA answer to the application. Packets flow in the clear. 4b) The resolver finds an IPSECKEY record. It sends the pubic key, the FQDN and the IP address(es) to the IKE daemon and waits for a response. Meanwhile it does _not_ release the A/AAAA record to the application. 5) The IKE daemon sets up the IPsec tunnel. We haven't reached agreement yet over how this should be done. There are two choices: a) The client uses an "@anonymous" ID for itself along with sending its public key inline with IKE. The client is responsible for ensuring there is no MITM attack, as it knows the server's public key (from DNSSEC). The responding server will just use any key it received inline if it was received for the "@anonymous" ID. b) The initiator (aka client) uses its own FQDN-based ID. It has preconfigured its DNS so that an IPSECKEY record exists for its FQDN (protected by DNSSEC). The key is not send inline with IKE. Instead, when the responder (aka server) sees the non-anonymous ID, it will perform a DNSSEC secured lookup to obtain the IPSECKEY out of band. Both parties confirm there is no MITM. The advantage of a) is that it leaks less user information and makes tracking users harder. The client can regularly generate another anonymous keypair. The disadvantage of a) is that it turns peers into clients and servers. And two clients cannot initiate OE to each other. 6) The tunnel is established and the IKE daemon notifies the local DNSSEC server that had instructed it to setup the IPsec tunnel. 7) The resolver releases the IP address to the application. 8) The applications starts sending packets and the IPsec policy encrypts them al. I'm personally in favour of the @anonymous solution. But there is no reason why support for both could not be implemented. What are some of the obstacles and work to do: 1) writing the unbound plugin 2) writing the support for @anonymous for the server-side. This includes raw keys for IKEv2 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/**draft-ietf-ipsecme-oob-pubkey-**00 ) 3) With NAT, the client suggests an inner-IP. This could be abused or clash, We need to 'contain' each connection, possibly using generated ipv6 addresses 4) We cannot use the "gateway" field of RFC-4025, or people could trick a server into giving a client all communication to a certain IP address that does not belong to them 5) anonymous connections should generate throw-away keys to remain anonymous 6) implement draft-wouters-edns-tcp-chain or else latency/RTTs will prevent real-life deployment of DNSSEC validated IPSECKEYs on mobile devices. 7) This allows no upgrading from anonymous to mutually authenticated, but IKE policies can be added to the server/client that would match on different IDs (eg X.509) that work independantly of OE without introducing complicated channel binding promotion code. Other IKEv2 extensions could possible be applied to facilitate promitions. I'm sure more implementation issues will show up once we get this going, but there are no real fundamental issues why we cannot deploy this in a couple of months of time. My plan is to get libreswan to support this version of OE. Additionally, once we use draft-wouters-edns-tcp-chain, it becomes cheap to do these lookups through the tor network. If the tor exit nodes then also feed each other with DNSSEC cache material, it should make tracing individual clients even harder. (anyone willing to assist, especially with coding, do contact me) Paul ______________________________**_________________ The cryptography mailing list cryptography-of7zbby7T3pWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org http://www.metzdowd.com/**mailman/listinfo/cryptography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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( Dmesg or /var/log/messages ) David On 9/13/13, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I recently upgraded a couple of RAID 2TB drives to some 3TB drives using > the format > Shutdown, pull old drive 1, start degraded > Add new drive 1 to RAID, wait for sync/rebuild > Shutdown, pull old drive 2, add new drive 2 to RAID, wait for sync/rebuild > > > I had a really small /boot partition, so for the new drives used a larger > set of partitions for /dev/md0 > > However, for whatever reason, I can't grow to the full partition size. > > mdadm --grow --size=max only gives me around 750MB, even though the > component partitions (/dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1) are 1200MB. > > > Any ideas why it won't use the full capacity? > > > Cheers, > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA > > "Computers don't make mistakes. They can, however, execute those provided > to them very quickly" > -- Sent from my mobile device -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 13 22:39:01 2013 From: northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Thornton) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:39:01 -0400 Subject: dm-raid and resizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can you post your md config aswell? David On 9/13/13, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I recently upgraded a couple of RAID 2TB drives to some 3TB drives using > the format > Shutdown, pull old drive 1, start degraded > Add new drive 1 to RAID, wait for sync/rebuild > Shutdown, pull old drive 2, add new drive 2 to RAID, wait for sync/rebuild > > > I had a really small /boot partition, so for the new drives used a larger > set of partitions for /dev/md0 > > However, for whatever reason, I can't grow to the full partition size. > > mdadm --grow --size=max only gives me around 750MB, even though the > component partitions (/dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1) are 1200MB. > > > Any ideas why it won't use the full capacity? > > > Cheers, > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA > > "Computers don't make mistakes. They can, however, execute those provided > to them very quickly" > -- Sent from my mobile device -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 14 13:33:17 2013 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 09:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation status of Opportunistic Encryption for IPsec (fwd) Message-ID: As usual, DCB's mail still doesn't get reflected by the TLUG list. I've trimmed his quoting. There were two Hughs in FreeS/WAN, big (Hugh Daniel) and little (me). The original post was in honour of the former. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Collier-Brown To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org, William Muriithi Cc: D. Hugh Redelmeier Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 08:21:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation status of Opportunistic Encryption for IPsec Reply-To: davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org On 09/11/2013 10:23 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > > This post offer more information on a recent discussion we had here of > opportunist encryption > > Thought it may be interesting read for the group > > William > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Paul Wouters" > > Date: Sep 11, 2013 1:07 PM > Subject: [Cryptography] History and implementation status of > Opportunistic Encryption for IPsec > To: > > Cc: "D. Hugh Redelmeier" >, > "John Gilmore" > Thanks, William! Nice to see Hugh being mentioned, too. --dave -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org | -- Mark Twain (416) 223-8968 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 14 19:19:10 2013 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:19:10 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation status of Opportunistic Encryption for IPsec (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5234B6AE.5000108@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > As usual, DCB's mail still doesn't get reflected by the TLUG list. > I've trimmed his quoting. > > There were two Hughs in FreeS/WAN, big (Hugh Daniel) and little (me). > The original post was in honour of the former. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Collier-Brown > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org, William Muriithi > Cc: D. Hugh Redelmeier > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 08:21:53 -0400 > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation status of > Opportunistic Encryption for IPsec > Reply-To: davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org > > On 09/11/2013 10:23 PM, William Muriithi wrote: >> This post offer more information on a recent discussion we had here of >> opportunist encryption >> >> Thought it may be interesting read for the group > Is there a link to that "interesting read"? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 14 19:53:42 2013 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:53:42 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation status of Opportunistic Encryption for IPsec (fwd) In-Reply-To: <5234B6AE.5000108-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <5234B6AE.5000108@rogers.com> Message-ID: > >> > >> Thought it may be interesting read for the group > > > > Is there a link to that "interesting read"? > There was no URL. The article was a forward of another mailing list I am following. Check it on the email body of the first mail on this thread. I suspect it has been stripped of by other follow ups William > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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I suspect it has been stripped of by other follow ups > Not that I've been able to find in any mail I've received in the past week. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 15 02:24:33 2013 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 19:24:33 -0700 Subject: dm-raid and resizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nothing unusual in dmesg. I don't have anything else to show now as I decided to try removing & recreating the md device (after rsyncing the data). That worked fine and it now uses 1200MB. So there doesn't seem to be any issues with the disk geometry etc, just that mdadm doesn't do a "grow? very nicely for whatever reason. On Sep 13, 2013 3:28 PM, "David Thornton" wrote: > What does fdisk -l say? > What does the kernel say on boot? ( Dmesg or /var/log/messages ) > > David > > On 9/13/13, Tyler Aviss wrote: > > I recently upgraded a couple of RAID 2TB drives to some 3TB drives using > > the format > > Shutdown, pull old drive 1, start degraded > > Add new drive 1 to RAID, wait for sync/rebuild > > Shutdown, pull old drive 2, add new drive 2 to RAID, wait for > sync/rebuild > > > > > > I had a really small /boot partition, so for the new drives used a larger > > set of partitions for /dev/md0 > > > > However, for whatever reason, I can't grow to the full partition size. > > > > mdadm --grow --size=max only gives me around 750MB, even though the > > component partitions (/dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1) are 1200MB. > > > > > > Any ideas why it won't use the full capacity? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > -- > > Tyler Aviss > > Systems Support > > LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA > > > > "Computers don't make mistakes. They can, however, execute those provided > > to them very quickly" > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 15 06:17:25 2013 From: northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Thornton) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 02:17:25 -0400 Subject: dm-raid and resizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have to admin I'm more familiar with the lvm ext2(X) process. David On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Nothing unusual in dmesg. I don't have anything else to show now as I > decided to try removing & recreating the md device (after rsyncing the > data). That worked fine and it now uses 1200MB. > > So there doesn't seem to be any issues with the disk geometry etc, just > that mdadm doesn't do a "grow? very nicely for whatever reason. > On Sep 13, 2013 3:28 PM, "David Thornton" wrote: > >> What does fdisk -l say? >> What does the kernel say on boot? ( Dmesg or /var/log/messages ) >> >> David >> >> On 9/13/13, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> > I recently upgraded a couple of RAID 2TB drives to some 3TB drives using >> > the format >> > Shutdown, pull old drive 1, start degraded >> > Add new drive 1 to RAID, wait for sync/rebuild >> > Shutdown, pull old drive 2, add new drive 2 to RAID, wait for >> sync/rebuild >> > >> > >> > I had a really small /boot partition, so for the new drives used a >> larger >> > set of partitions for /dev/md0 >> > >> > However, for whatever reason, I can't grow to the full partition size. >> > >> > mdadm --grow --size=max only gives me around 750MB, even though the >> > component partitions (/dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1) are 1200MB. >> > >> > >> > Any ideas why it won't use the full capacity? >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Tyler Aviss >> > Systems Support >> > LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA >> > >> > "Computers don't make mistakes. They can, however, execute those >> provided >> > to them very quickly" >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 16 14:21:57 2013 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ping? Please ignore. Message-ID: Not all mail is showing up for all people in the list. This is a test. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 16 14:46:42 2013 From: northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Thornton) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:46:42 -0400 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: GTALUG Meeting, Sept. 10 - Playing with the Beagle Bone Black In-Reply-To: <522DF393.3060607-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <522DF393.3060607@ss.org> Message-ID: Was a great talk , but where's the follow up? I checked out http://www.gilesorr.com and could not find any notes on the beagle board. And I can't find Daniel Armstrong's page. I possibly I fail at the internet. Can we get a copy of the presentation posted somewhere? Thanks, david On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Scott Sullivan wrote: > === Topic === > > Playing with the Beagle Bone Black w/ Giles Orr and Daniel Armstrong > > === Description === > > "Raspberry Pi, Arduino, OpenWRT on routers ... Happy days are here for > open source on little computers! Five years ago BeagleBoard.org > released its first hacker-friendly ARM-powered development board and > we will demonstrate some of the fun things we discovered exploring > their brand new BeagleBone Black - a $45 community-supported Linux > computer." > > === Location === > > George Vari Engineering and Computing Centre > 245 Church Street, Room 211 > Ryerson University > http://goo.gl/maps/16oJ2 > > === Schedule === > > 6:00 pm - There is a get together of GTALUGers at Spring Roll Go, > located at 120 Church Street (just south of Richmond). > http://goo.gl/maps/JT6Od > 7:30 pm - Meeting and presentation. > 9:00 pm - After each meeting (at 9:00 pm) a group of GTALUGers > move to the The Library/The Imperial Pub, 54 Dundas St East for beer and > more socializing. > http://www.imperialpub.com/**mainpage.html > > Retrieved From > http://gtalug.org/wiki/**Meetings:2013-10 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/**Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 16 15:23:34 2013 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:23:34 -0400 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: GTALUG Meeting, Sept. 10 - Playing with the Beagle Bone Black In-Reply-To: References: <522DF393.3060607@ss.org> Message-ID: On 16 September 2013 10:46, David Thornton wrote: > > Was a great talk , but where's the follow up? > > I checked out http://www.gilesorr.com and could not find any notes on the beagle board. > > And I can't find Daniel Armstrong's page. I possibly I fail at the internet. > > Can we get a copy of the presentation posted somewhere? > > Thanks, > david > > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Scott Sullivan wrote: >> >> === Topic === >> >> Playing with the Beagle Bone Black w/ Giles Orr and Daniel Armstrong >> >> === Description === >> >> "Raspberry Pi, Arduino, OpenWRT on routers ... Happy days are here for >> open source on little computers! Five years ago BeagleBoard.org >> released its first hacker-friendly ARM-powered development board and >> we will demonstrate some of the fun things we discovered exploring >> their brand new BeagleBone Black - a $45 community-supported Linux >> computer." Below are the URLs we flashed up on the screen at the end of the presentation. Please note that neither is the actual presentation, they're our notes as we were working with our various devices. I'll try to look at my actual presentation notes tonight and see if I can beat them into shape for posting online. Daniel may have further comments or a different URL to his site: I'm not totally sure that's the best one. http://www.gilesorr.com/code/mini/ http://www.circuidipity.com/categories/beaglebone/ -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 16 15:48:24 2013 From: northdot9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Thornton) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:48:24 -0400 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: GTALUG Meeting, Sept. 10 - Playing with the Beagle Bone Black In-Reply-To: References: <522DF393.3060607@ss.org> Message-ID: much appreciated. Thanks, David On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Giles Orr wrote: > On 16 September 2013 10:46, David Thornton wrote: > > > > Was a great talk , but where's the follow up? > > > > I checked out http://www.gilesorr.com and could not find any notes on > the beagle board. > > > > And I can't find Daniel Armstrong's page. I possibly I fail at the > internet. > > > > Can we get a copy of the presentation posted somewhere? > > > > Thanks, > > david > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Scott Sullivan wrote: > >> > >> === Topic === > >> > >> Playing with the Beagle Bone Black w/ Giles Orr and Daniel Armstrong > >> > >> === Description === > >> > >> "Raspberry Pi, Arduino, OpenWRT on routers ... Happy days are here for > >> open source on little computers! Five years ago BeagleBoard.org > >> released its first hacker-friendly ARM-powered development board and > >> we will demonstrate some of the fun things we discovered exploring > >> their brand new BeagleBone Black - a $45 community-supported Linux > >> computer." > > Below are the URLs we flashed up on the screen at the end of the > presentation. Please note that neither is the actual presentation, they're > our notes as we were working with our various devices. I'll try to look at > my actual presentation notes tonight and see if I can beat them into shape > for posting online. Daniel may have further comments or a different URL to > his site: I'm not totally sure that's the best one. > > http://www.gilesorr.com/code/mini/ > > http://www.circuidipity.com/categories/beaglebone/ > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The original message is multi-part MIME. First part text, second part HTML. But William's second message has the same disease and WAS read by James. It too has the footer improperly added. So this explains Mystery 3: don't use mime encapsulation. Mystery 4: the original version of this very message did not appear. I've changed the title and eliminated the quoting of the first message of this thread. So I hope this one gets through. Here's the thread in my mailbox: Wednesday William Muriithi (43K) [TLUG]: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation statu Yesterday To: Toronto Linux Users Group (3K) Re: [TLUG]: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation s Yesterday James Knott (4K) Re: [TLUG]: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation s Yesterday William Muriithi (4K) Re: [TLUG]: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation s Yesterday James Knott (4K) Re: [TLUG]: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation s -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 16 19:27:08 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:27:08 -0400 Subject: History and implementation status of Opportunistic Encryption for IPsec In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130916192708.GJ13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 02:27:38PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Mystery 0: DCB's postings to the list don't appear. This is a > long-time problem. The admins are aware of it. This same problem > seems to afflict David Tilbrook. > > Mystery 1: James Knott did not get the first message in the thread. > It was mostly a forwarding of > > > > Mystery 2: the archive has none of the messages in the thread > > > But I got the first message, and so did DCB. More than that I do not > know. > > Mystery 3: The mailing list software failed to add the usual footer > properly. One that includes the request: > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > If you look at the message (included below) you will see that the > footer is added without consideration of MIME encapsulation. > > The original message is multi-part MIME. First part text, second part > HTML. But William's second message has the same disease and WAS read > by James. It too has the footer improperly added. So this explains > Mystery 3: don't use mime encapsulation. The mailing list software is dumb. It simply appents the footer as plain text, with no concern for multipart, attachments, or anything else. Of course given the footer and rules for the list is "No HTML", then sending a multipart message already violates the requested rules, so broken mailing list sofware that doesn't handle messages that break the rules may in fact be considered not important. No idea. Apparently majordomo2 is supposed to have a multipart compatible parser and be able to insert footers in the right place. I suspect ss.org is running majordomo1 though. For example vger's majordomo is described as: The Majordomo is configured with a set of filter rules which when triggered will send the email to "/dev/null". (List owner actually, but they are overworked elsewere, and use "d" button usually...) Usage of HTML in email -- even as an alternate format -- is considered to be signature characteristics of SPAM. Ignore this at your own peril! A collection of phrases/keywords which appear commonly at those bloody SPAMs -- in case it is a TEXT/PLAIN spam, and not HTML-SPAM... Message size exceeding 100 000 characters causes blocking. See the actual Majordomo taboo expressions. Makes me wonder if ss.org happens to have any Majordomo taboo expressions defined in a config file that might be causing DCB's messages to get trashed. > Mystery 4: the original version of this very message did not appear. I've > changed the title and eliminated the quoting of the first message of this > thread. So I hope this one gets through. > > Here's the thread in my mailbox: > Wednesday William Muriithi (43K) [TLUG]: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation statu > Yesterday To: Toronto Linux Users Group (3K) Re: [TLUG]: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation s > Yesterday James Knott (4K) Re: [TLUG]: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation s > Yesterday William Muriithi (4K) Re: [TLUG]: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation s > Yesterday James Knott (4K) Re: [TLUG]: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation s Well I certainly saw the first message, and seem to recall seeing more in that thread as well. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 18 00:25:06 2013 From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:25:06 -0400 Subject: History and implementation status of Opportunistic Encryption for IPsec In-Reply-To: <20130916192708.GJ13099-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20130916192708.GJ13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <5238F2E2.7030204@sobac.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > sending a multipart message already violates the requested rules PGP/MIME signed (or GnuPG/MIME ?) messages are also multipart messages. Surely signed messages are not against the rules? But if they are I will re-configure to respect that rule. --Bob. Bob Jonkman Phone: +1-519-669-0388 SOBAC Microcomputer Services http://sobac.com/sobac/ http://bob.jonkman.ca/blogs/ http://sn.jonkman.ca/bobjonkman/ Software --- Office & Business Automation --- Consulting GnuPG Fngrprnt:04F7 742B 8F54 C40A E115 26C2 B912 89B0 D2CC E5EA On 13-09-16 03:27 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 02:27:38PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> Mystery 0: DCB's postings to the list don't appear. This is a >> long-time problem. The admins are aware of it. This same problem >> seems to afflict David Tilbrook. >> >> Mystery 1: James Knott did not get the first message in the thread. >> It was mostly a forwarding of >> >> >> >> Mystery 2: the archive has none of the messages in the thread >> >> >> But I got the first message, and so did DCB. More than that I do not >> know. >> >> Mystery 3: The mailing list software failed to add the usual footer >> properly. One that includes the request: >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> If you look at the message (included below) you will see that the >> footer is added without consideration of MIME encapsulation. >> >> The original message is multi-part MIME. First part text, second part >> HTML. But William's second message has the same disease and WAS read >> by James. It too has the footer improperly added. So this explains >> Mystery 3: don't use mime encapsulation. > > The mailing list software is dumb. It simply appents the footer as plain > text, with no concern for multipart, attachments, or anything else. > Of course given the footer and rules for the list is "No HTML", then > sending a multipart message already violates the requested rules, so > broken mailing list sofware that doesn't handle messages that break the > rules may in fact be considered not important. No idea. Apparently > majordomo2 is supposed to have a multipart compatible parser and be able > to insert footers in the right place. I suspect ss.org is running > majordomo1 though. > > For example vger's majordomo is described as: > > The Majordomo is configured with a set of filter rules which when > triggered will send the email to "/dev/null". > (List owner actually, but they are overworked elsewere, and use "d" > button usually...) > > Usage of HTML in email -- even as an alternate format -- is considered > to be signature characteristics of SPAM. > Ignore this at your own peril! > A collection of phrases/keywords which appear commonly at those > bloody SPAMs -- in case it is a TEXT/PLAIN spam, and not HTML-SPAM... > Message size exceeding 100 000 characters causes blocking. > > See the actual Majordomo taboo expressions. > > Makes me wonder if ss.org happens to have any Majordomo taboo expressions > defined in a config file that might be causing DCB's messages to get > trashed. > >> Mystery 4: the original version of this very message did not appear. I've >> changed the title and eliminated the quoting of the first message of this >> thread. So I hope this one gets through. >> >> Here's the thread in my mailbox: >> Wednesday William Muriithi (43K) [TLUG]: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation statu >> Yesterday To: Toronto Linux Users Group (3K) Re: [TLUG]: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation s >> Yesterday James Knott (4K) Re: [TLUG]: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation s >> Yesterday William Muriithi (4K) Re: [TLUG]: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation s >> Yesterday James Knott (4K) Re: [TLUG]: Fwd: [Cryptography] History and implementation s > > Well I certainly saw the first message, and seem to recall seeing more > in that thread as well. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I haven't seen one on the list in a while so I can't remember if those show up correctly or not. Basicly, majordomo1 is an old piece of garbage. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 18 20:08:10 2013 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:08:10 -0400 Subject: Upverter + a free drink Message-ID: A co-worker sent this along: "Toronto Hardware Drinkup," http://blog.upverter.com/toronto-hardware-drinkup As I read it, Upverter is trying to be the sourceforge or github of open hardware. Sounds interesting enough to let them talk at me and give me a free drink. 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Seems like it is the successor to most Free mailing list tools out there. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 18 21:23:38 2013 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:23:38 -0400 Subject: Upverter + a free drink In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <523A19DA.8020107@ss.org> On 09/18/2013 04:08 PM, Giles Orr wrote: > A co-worker sent this along: > > "Toronto Hardware Drinkup," > http://blog.upverter.com/toronto-hardware-drinkup > > As I read it, Upverter is trying to be the sourceforge or github of open > hardware. Sounds interesting enough to let them talk at me and give me > a free drink. Anyone had any dealings with Upverter? > > 136 McCaul September 26th from 7PM Their a little more then that, their main offering is the online board design software. (Think Office360 of PCB CAD). I've not looked at them personally, but they have visited Hacklab on a few occasions. From second hand information, the folks that do PCB design at Hacklab largely use EagleCAD and upverter has not yet been compelling enough for those existing users to switch. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 18 21:26:49 2013 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:26:49 -0400 Subject: =?US-ASCII?Q?Re:_:_History_and_implementation_st?= =?US-ASCII?Q?atus_of_Opportunistic_Encryption=0D__for_IPsec?= Message-ID: <9b6js3w2ecbknl47v1whadby.1379539609272@email.android.com> Used sympa a few years ago. It is stable a very useful to run multiple lists. Integration with postfix was easy.? 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And it tends to spread opportunistically due to similar and know internals, which would seem thoroughly unlikely for ereaders, wouldn't it? Sorry if this is unwelcome here, but any linux integration issues or any local sources for separate e-ink screens would be great to hear about of course. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 19 01:04:51 2013 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 21:04:51 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: <20130918223044.177910-KK0ffGbhmjU@public.gmane.org> References: <20130918223044.177910@gmx.com> Message-ID: <523A4DB3.5000306@rogers.com> Molly Tournquist wrote: > I'm curious about the prospect of open platform ereaders. I've heard of one running nethack, but that was a kindle and the standard here seems to be kobo, and that was when the kindle had a crude keyboard; it's possible to hook up the nook to a keyboard, and the kindle to a rasperry pi. I have a Kobo, but I've stopped using it since getting a tablet. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 19 04:09:15 2013 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 00:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: <20130918223044.177910-KK0ffGbhmjU@public.gmane.org> References: <20130918223044.177910@gmx.com> Message-ID: | From: Molly Tournquist | | I'm curious about the prospect of open platform ereaders. I've heard of | one running nethack, but that was a kindle and the standard here seems | to be kobo, and that was when the kindle had a crude keyboard; it's | possible to hook up the nook to a keyboard, and the kindle to a rasperry | pi. Kobos and Kindles are widely available. Nook has to be imported. Because they don't sell ebooks in Canada (licensing), it makes no sense to them to sell ereaders here. Kobo GPLed source code has been published. Of course key parts of the firmware are not GPLed. People have hacked on the Kobo firmware binaries. I forget the details. The format is something like a tarball so it is easy. Busybox is in there, for example. I think that a crude game was released. It may be my imagination, but I can't think of much I'd want my Kobo ereaders to do. The screen update is a bit painful for other purposes. I quite enjoy my Kobo mini: easy to carry a lot of books on the subway. I have much better tablets, but they don't slip into a pocket as well and I have to keep their battery status in mind. | There have been a few unlit ereaders that also play audio, but rockbox | development progresses awfully gradually, and there are only unstable | ports for two microtablet type devices. And it tends to spread | opportunistically due to similar and know internals, which would seem | thoroughly unlikely for ereaders, wouldn't it? Like everything else, it just requires a lot of work :-) I don't seem to get around to these kinds of projects even though I think about them. | Sorry if this is unwelcome here, but any linux integration issues or any | local sources for separate e-ink screens would be great to hear about of | course. I'm happy to read messages about this stuff. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 19 16:19:37 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:19:37 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: <20130918223044.177910-KK0ffGbhmjU@public.gmane.org> References: <20130918223044.177910@gmx.com> Message-ID: <20130919161937.GL13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 06:30:43PM -0400, Molly Tournquist wrote: > I'm curious about the prospect of open platform ereaders. I've heard of one running nethack, but that was a kindle and the standard here seems to be kobo, and that was when the kindle had a crude keyboard; it's possible to hook up the nook to a keyboard, and the kindle to a rasperry pi. > > There are color e-ink screens being experimented with, and non illuminated LCD screens, but they don't appear practical enough to extend usability significantly. > > There have been a few unlit ereaders that also play audio, but rockbox development progresses awfully gradually, and there are only unstable ports for two microtablet type devices. And it tends to spread opportunistically due to similar and know internals, which would seem thoroughly unlikely for ereaders, wouldn't it? > > Sorry if this is unwelcome here, but any linux integration issues or any local sources for separate e-ink screens would be great to hear about of course. The audio part is really really pointless. In fact sony dropped audio support from their newer models because an ereader makes a lousy mp3 player and it is a waste of the ereaders battery. A dedicated mp3 player is way better at it, more efficient, has a better UI for audio playack, and is a lot smaller. Somehow the ereader reads books got extended into it should also handle audiobooks, which is really just a bad leap to make, and at least Sony clued in and removed the pointless feature. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 19 16:35:19 2013 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: <20130919161937.GL13099-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20130918223044.177910@gmx.com> <20130919161937.GL13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | The audio part is really really pointless. In fact sony dropped audio | support from their newer models because an ereader makes a lousy mp3 | player and it is a waste of the ereaders battery. A dedicated mp3 player | is way better at it, more efficient, has a better UI for audio playack, | and is a lot smaller. So folks (naturally) want to carry as few things as possible. Now that I'm starting to carry a smart phone, I'm running out of pockets. So I have to decide whether to drop my Swiss Army knife or my MP3 player. Things are a little better now that the weather has cooled off: more pockets. I tried using the phone as an MP3 player but it isn't 100% satisfactory. Running down an MP3 player's battery isn't as consequential as running down a phone's battery. I haven't figured out the best way of carrying earphones. Wrapping them around the MP3 player has worked fairly well, but wrapping them around the phone doesn't work. So the MP3 player almost earns its keep just as headphone storage. All these tradeoffs are non-obvious and very particular. Hard to theorize what would work for and sell to the masses. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 19 16:50:22 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:50:22 -0400 Subject: Upverter + a free drink In-Reply-To: <523A19DA.8020107-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <523A19DA.8020107@ss.org> Message-ID: <20130919165022.GM13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 05:23:38PM -0400, Scott Sullivan wrote: > Their a little more then that, their main offering is the online > board design software. (Think Office360 of PCB CAD). No no no. It is Xbox 360, but Office 365. I think one refers to degrees and the other days. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 19 16:53:32 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:53:32 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: References: <20130918223044.177910@gmx.com> <20130919161937.GL13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20130919165332.GN13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:35:19PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > So folks (naturally) want to carry as few things as possible. Now > that I'm starting to carry a smart phone, I'm running out of pockets. > So I have to decide whether to drop my Swiss Army knife or my MP3 > player. Things are a little better now that the weather has cooled > off: more pockets. > > I tried using the phone as an MP3 player but it isn't 100% > satisfactory. Running down an MP3 player's battery isn't as > consequential as running down a phone's battery. > > I haven't figured out the best way of carrying earphones. > Wrapping them around the MP3 player has worked fairly well, but > wrapping them around the phone doesn't work. So the MP3 player almost > earns its keep just as headphone storage. > > All these tradeoffs are non-obvious and very particular. Hard to > theorize what would work for and sell to the masses. The mp3 player has dedicated electronics for audio decoding. The ereader often does not, and hence is much less power efficient at doing so. Now some newer ones might actually have CPUs with audio decoding features, but it isn't always easy to determine what actual hardware is in the things you can buy. The ereaders tend to have amazing battery life because they essentially turn off while you read a page, and then turn on when you hit a button and update the screeen and go off again. Playing audio continuously is completely different from what they were designed to be good at. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 19 16:53:55 2013 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:53:55 -0400 Subject: Upverter + a free drink In-Reply-To: <20130919165022.GM13099-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <523A19DA.8020107@ss.org> <20130919165022.GM13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <523B2C23.3020602@ss.org> On 09/19/2013 12:50 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 05:23:38PM -0400, Scott Sullivan wrote: >> Their a little more then that, their main offering is the online >> board design software. (Think Office360 of PCB CAD). > > No no no. It is Xbox 360, but Office 365. I think one refers to degrees > and the other days. :) > 360/365 .986 1-.986 .014 < 1.5% difference, acceptable margin of error. ;P -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 19 16:55:22 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:55:22 -0400 Subject: Upverter + a free drink In-Reply-To: <523B2C23.3020602-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <523A19DA.8020107@ss.org> <20130919165022.GM13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <523B2C23.3020602@ss.org> Message-ID: <20130919165522.GO13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:53:55PM -0400, Scott Sullivan wrote: > On 09/19/2013 12:50 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >No no no. It is Xbox 360, but Office 365. I think one refers to degrees > >and the other days. :) > > 360/365 > .986 > 1-.986 > .014 > > < 1.5% difference, acceptable margin of error. ;P Sure, and some engineers thing pi=4 is a good enough approximation, and adds some margin for safety too apparently. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 19 17:01:09 2013 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 13:01:09 -0400 Subject: Upverter + a free drink In-Reply-To: <20130919165522.GO13099-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <523A19DA.8020107@ss.org> <20130919165022.GM13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <523B2C23.3020602@ss.org> <20130919165522.GO13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <523B2DD5.5020900@ss.org> On 09/19/2013 12:55 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:53:55PM -0400, Scott Sullivan wrote: >> On 09/19/2013 12:50 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>> No no no. It is Xbox 360, but Office 365. I think one refers to degrees >>> and the other days. :) >> >> 360/365 >> .986 >> 1-.986 >> .014 >> >> < 1.5% difference, acceptable margin of error. ;P > > Sure, and some engineers thing pi=4 is a good enough approximation, > and adds some margin for safety too apparently. :) > Well, when working with four-sided triangles I totally agree with them! -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 19 17:16:59 2013 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 13:16:59 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: <20130919165332.GN13099-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20130918223044.177910@gmx.com> <20130919161937.GL13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20130919165332.GN13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:35:19PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> So folks (naturally) want to carry as few things as possible. Now >> that I'm starting to carry a smart phone, I'm running out of pockets. >> So I have to decide whether to drop my Swiss Army knife or my MP3 >> player. Things are a little better now that the weather has cooled >> off: more pockets. >> >> I tried using the phone as an MP3 player but it isn't 100% >> satisfactory. Running down an MP3 player's battery isn't as >> consequential as running down a phone's battery. >> >> I haven't figured out the best way of carrying earphones. >> Wrapping them around the MP3 player has worked fairly well, but >> wrapping them around the phone doesn't work. So the MP3 player almost >> earns its keep just as headphone storage. >> >> All these tradeoffs are non-obvious and very particular. Hard to >> theorize what would work for and sell to the masses. > > The mp3 player has dedicated electronics for audio decoding. The ereader > often does not, and hence is much less power efficient at doing so. > Now some newer ones might actually have CPUs with audio decoding features, > but it isn't always easy to determine what actual hardware is in the > things you can buy. > > The ereaders tend to have amazing battery life because they essentially > turn off while you read a page, and then turn on when you hit a button > and update the screeen and go off again. Playing audio continuously is > completely different from what they were designed to be good at. Totally correct, yes. There are enough tradeoffs to be found here as to make it pretty tempting to get different gadgets for different purposes. Personally, I prefer a devoted music player, as it has a much nicer amplifier chipset than they'd think to put into a [tablet/phone]. I do my reading on a Kobo Touch, and I'm debating getting the new "Aura" model, which would add backlighting, a sizable increase in resolution, and, apparently, a bigger battery requiring much less frequent recharging. FYI, I treat the Kobo as a "reading appliance;" my behaviour of throwing books onto the SD card and managing that using Calibre has worked out pretty well thus far. It would be nice to have "my own software" akin to Calibre on the device, but it seems like that would involve a lot of work including systems integration efforts that would be liable to be obsolesced each time any new hardware came out. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 19 17:23:55 2013 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 13:23:55 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: References: <20130918223044.177910@gmx.com> <20130919161937.GL13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20130919165332.GN13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <523B332B.8070405@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > There are enough tradeoffs to be found here as to make it pretty tempting > to get different gadgets for different purposes. > > Personally, I prefer a devoted music player, as it has a much nicer amplifier > chipset than they'd think to put into a [tablet/phone]. I listen to music on my phone, if my tablet's not available, otherwise I usually use my tablet. However, if I'm out on my balcony, reading the newspaper etc., I'll listen to music on my phone, with it set to Airplane mode. Calls to my cell phone will then be automagically transferred to my home phone. As I mentioned, I've pretty much stopped using my Kobo since getting a tablet. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 19 18:36:41 2013 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:36:41 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: References: <20130918223044.177910@gmx.com> <20130919161937.GL13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Lennart Sorensen > > | The audio part is really really pointless. In fact sony dropped audio > | support from their newer models because an ereader makes a lousy mp3 > | player and it is a waste of the ereaders battery. A dedicated mp3 player > | is way better at it, more efficient, has a better UI for audio playack, > | and is a lot smaller. > > So folks (naturally) want to carry as few things as possible. Now > that I'm starting to carry a smart phone, I'm running out of pockets. > So I have to decide whether to drop my Swiss Army knife or my MP3 > player. Things are a little better now that the weather has cooled > off: more pockets. > All these tradeoffs are non-obvious and very particular. Hard to > theorize what would work for and sell to the masses. Thinking out loud... A thick-ish pocket-size notebook with a flip open cover and colour e-paper. Use the available depth to hold the electronics and for keeping bluetooth earbuds in storage - similar in concept to a book safe. Use Linux & FOSS, preferably on Open Hardware. Most importantly though, let users customize their covers (also e-paper). -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github & more Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 20 20:21:26 2013 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:21:26 -0400 Subject: jor1k join JS/Linux - another Linux in your browser Message-ID: "jor1k is a OpenRISC 1000 emulator written in JavaScript running Linux. It runs in almost any modern web browser." Comes with working framebuffer and Monkey Island. Looks like no audio yet but still - rather impressive. GPLv3 -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github & more Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 20 20:50:20 2013 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:50:20 -0400 Subject: jor1k join JS/Linux - another Linux in your browser In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 20 September 2013 16:21, Scott Elcomb wrote: > "jor1k is a OpenRISC 1000 emulator written in JavaScript running > Linux. It runs in almost any modern web browser." > > Comes with working framebuffer and Monkey Island. Looks like no audio > yet but still - rather impressive. GPLv3 > > > > That's all kinds of fascinating and disturbing. Seems to work reasonably well. vi works: the system is complete. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 20 21:16:14 2013 From: mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org (Molly Tournquist) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 17:16:14 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders Message-ID: <20130920211615.162780@gmx.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: D. Hugh Redelmeier > Sent: 09/19/13 12:09 AM > Kobo GPLed source code has been published. Of course key parts of the > firmware are not GPLed. > > People have hacked on the Kobo firmware binaries. I forget the > details. The format is something like a tarball so it is easy. > Busybox is in there, for example. I think that a crude game was > released. > > It may be my imagination, but I can't think of much I'd want my Kobo > ereaders to do. The screen update is a bit painful for other > purposes. Seems like a chicken and an egg situation, without keyboards, it's hard for people to be messing around with an ereader enough to get a sense of how to make use of hacked ones. Tetris was released for it, and it just looks awful, no surprise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jtbbcFhvec A weather app has been ported to it, through pygame. When the main memory is on an internal card, that allows an extra safeguard against bricking it. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christopher Browne > Sent: 09/19/13 01:16 PM > There are enough tradeoffs to be found here as to make it pretty tempting > to get different gadgets for different purposes. > > Personally, I prefer a devoted music player, as it has a much nicer amplifier > chipset than they'd think to put into a [tablet/phone]. > > I do my reading on a Kobo Touch, and I'm debating getting the new "Aura" > model, which would add backlighting, a sizable increase in resolution, > and, apparently, a bigger battery requiring much less frequent recharging. Yes, there are advantages to having specialized gadgets for specific purposses. But text viewing plus audio is still a narrow range of functions. It's easy to conceive of audio quality still being paid good attention to from just a dual device, rather than a tablet or phone. Sure, creative labs had released a pair of android tablets ... with resistive screens! Just imagine how a device with as broad a range of functions as a tablet made by an audio gadgets company would turn out! The Aura *HD* seems particularly interesting: 1440x1080. Supposedly, it's a limited edition product. Regular Aura is 10 by 10 pixels short of XGA for some reason. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Elcomb > Sent: 09/19/13 02:36 PM > A thick-ish pocket-size notebook with a flip open cover and colour > e-paper. Use the available depth to hold the electronics and for > keeping bluetooth earbuds in storage - similar in concept to a book > safe. > > Use Linux & FOSS, preferably on Open Hardware. Most importantly > though, let users customize their covers (also e-paper). Actually, using linux is questionable. Rockbox is already optimized for portable music players. Color E-paper is an issue of how good that technology is. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lennart Sorensen > Sent: 09/19/13 12:19 PM > The audio part is really really pointless. In fact sony dropped audio > support from their newer models because an ereader makes a lousy mp3 > player and it is a waste of the ereaders battery. A dedicated mp3 player > is way better at it, more efficient, has a better UI for audio playack, > and is a lot smaller. > > Somehow the ereader reads books got extended into it should also handle > audiobooks, which is really just a bad leap to make, and at least Sony > clued in and removed the pointless feature. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: D. Hugh Redelmeier > Sent: 09/19/13 12:09 AM > I quite enjoy my Kobo mini: easy to carry a lot of books on the > subway. I have much better tablets, but they don't slip into a pocket > as well and I have to keep their battery status in mind. > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: 09/19/13 12:35 PM > I tried using the phone as an MP3 player but it isn't 100% > satisfactory. Running down an MP3 player's battery isn't as > consequential as running down a phone's battery. There have been mp3 players with huge battery life http://www.slipperybrick.com/2006/11/mobi-blu-b153-mp3/ A very similar one to that one (iaudio g3) just used a basic AA cell, for 50 hours playback. Doesn't seem like that unreasonable an option for a somewhat bigger device like an ereader. Sony dropped a lot of their ereader line, now they only have the very basic model, plus last year's version of it. And anyway, that's sony we're talking about here. There have been a few other ereaders made with audio and even text to speech capability. The convenience factor goes with the apeal of the audio double function. On the other hand, that impressive compactness gets a little absurd, they become awkward to hold and so on. So, the 5 inch screen compromise seems important to keep in mind, with which sony did not give audio a chance. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 21 00:14:30 2013 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 20:14:30 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: <20130920211615.162780-KK0ffGbhmjU@public.gmane.org> References: <20130920211615.162780@gmx.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Molly Tournquist wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Scott Elcomb >> Sent: 09/19/13 02:36 PM >> A thick-ish pocket-size notebook with a flip open cover and colour >> e-paper. Use the available depth to hold the electronics and for >> keeping bluetooth earbuds in storage - similar in concept to a book >> safe. >> >> Use Linux & FOSS, preferably on Open Hardware. Most importantly >> though, let users customize their covers (also e-paper). > > Actually, using linux is questionable. Rockbox is already optimized for portable music players. Color E-paper is an issue of how good that technology is. Hmm, according to Wikipedia Rockbox is based on ?Clinux. That's pretty close :-) The idea was simply to have an open & extensible platform to reuse available software (speech synthesis, voice recognition, etc) instead of recreating wheels. (I'm glad to see that Rockbox has a voice-capable UI.) Interestingly the article also mentions: "Daniel Stenberg, a founder of the Rockbox project, envisions the project evolving away from a standalone Rockbox operating system to Rockbox as a media player application that runs under mobile operating systems, such as Android, iOS, Sailfish OS or Tizen"... -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github & more Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 21 20:19:33 2013 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 16:19:33 -0400 Subject: Secure Credit Card Station Message-ID: <20130921161933.b2d824e9a4e9fbaa9772b46e@eol.ca> An organzation I belong to is interested in setting up a laptop on which members can do credit card transactions. I pointed out to them that I do not type my credit card number onto MY laptop. I am sure as hell not typing it on someone else's. I am looking into the problem here, at the very least, because it is interesting. Let us assume people are willing to trust us. The offending laptop is running Linux. It is connected to the internet, probably through wifi. It is placed facing a wall or some other barrier so that people can sit at it and not have their keystrokes observed. I have set up a user account with a restricted environment. The user can launch a browser that connects to our website, or they can log out. There is no access to other applications, file managers, or terminals. We will log them in. They will not know the password. There are multiple ways to do this. I picked one of them. As far as I know, the machine passes http://www.grc.com's True Stealth analysis. I need to test this. Any thoughts on this? If you knew we were doing this, how would you hack into the machine? -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard.gibson-PadmjKOQAFnQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org jhowardgibson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 21 21:19:52 2013 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 17:19:52 -0400 Subject: Secure Credit Card Station In-Reply-To: <20130921161933.b2d824e9a4e9fbaa9772b46e-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20130921161933.b2d824e9a4e9fbaa9772b46e@eol.ca> Message-ID: If I were presented with this scenario, I would choose not to make the purchase, as I'd have no way to tell if there were hidden cameras around or key-loggers installed on the laptop. I only use my credit card to buy on the Internet using my own systems. I would recommend instead some sort of portable Cedit/Debit machine that's been approved by the bank. My men's chorus (the Toronto Northern Lights) uses one to sell show tickets and CDs. I don't know what the cost is, but we're a non-profit, so I imagine it's inexpensive, in addition to being much more secure. Alex Beamish On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Howard Gibson wrote: > An organzation I belong to is interested in setting up a laptop on > which members can do credit card transactions. I pointed out to them that > I do not type my credit card number onto MY laptop. I am sure as hell not > typing it on someone else's. I am looking into the problem here, at the > very least, because it is interesting. Let us assume people are willing to > trust us. > > The offending laptop is running Linux. It is connected to the > internet, probably through wifi. It is placed facing a wall or some other > barrier so that people can sit at it and not have their keystrokes > observed. I have set up a user account with a restricted environment. The > user can launch a browser that connects to our website, or they can log > out. There is no access to other applications, file managers, or > terminals. We will log them in. They will not know the password. There > are multiple ways to do this. I picked one of them. As far as I know, the > machine passes http://www.grc.com's True Stealth analysis. I need to > test this. > > Any thoughts on this? > > If you knew we were doing this, how would you hack into the machine? > > -- > Howard Gibson > hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org > howard.gibson-PadmjKOQAFnQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org > jhowardgibson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 22 06:57:53 2013 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 02:57:53 -0400 Subject: Secure Credit Card Station In-Reply-To: <20130921161933.b2d824e9a4e9fbaa9772b46e-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20130921161933.b2d824e9a4e9fbaa9772b46e@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20130922065753.GA5999@node1.localdomain> On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 04:19:33PM -0400, Howard Gibson wrote: > An organzation I belong to is interested in setting up a laptop on > which members can do credit card transactions. I pointed out to > them that I do not type my credit card number onto MY laptop. I am > sure as hell not typing it on someone else's. I am looking into > the problem here, at the very least, because it is interesting. > Let us assume people are willing to trust us. > > The offending laptop is running Linux. It is connected to the > internet, probably through wifi. It is placed facing a wall or > some other barrier so that people can sit at it and not have their > keystrokes observed. I have set up a user account with a > restricted environment. The user can launch a browser that > connects to our website, or they can log out. There is no access > to other applications, file managers, or terminals. We will log > them in. They will not know the password. There are multiple ways > to do this. I picked one of them. As far as I know, the machine > passes http://www.grc.com's True Stealth analysis. I need to test > this. > > Any thoughts on this? > > If you knew we were doing this, how would you hack into the machine? If you are talking about letting members shop online, then I think there is "Start Private Browsing" (under Tools tab) in Firefox. You can tell them to use that. But, I would recommend to avoid this kind of liability. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 22 09:40:03 2013 From: aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aruna Hewapathirane) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 05:40:03 -0400 Subject: IP-Tables and Security in General Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I recently noticed lots of incoming connections on my fire-starter ( its the firewall I use ) and my load average kicked up considerably but I am unable to identify what is specifically causing all this sudden unwanted incoming traffic as am no network specialist :-) Does anyone have any information on how to secure Ubuntu with iptables for newbies to system administration and security in general ? Do we have a best practices model for preventing intrusions and securing one's system ? Thank's - Aruna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 22 13:08:05 2013 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 09:08:05 -0400 Subject: IP-Tables and Security in General In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130922130805.GA127660@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> 1. Use a default policy of deny on all chains. 2. See step 1. 3. Use abstraction iptables wrappers like Shorewall and Fwbuilder. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 22 17:09:59 2013 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: IP-Tables and Security in General In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Aruna Hewapathirane | To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community , Toronto Linux User's Group Cross-posting to lists like these is probably a bad idea. So I've only replied to the TLUG list. | I recently noticed lots of incoming connections on my fire-starter ( its | the firewall I use ) and my load average kicked up considerably but I am | unable to identify what is specifically causing all this sudden unwanted | incoming traffic as am no network specialist :-) You have told us way too little about your network for us to give specific advice. - are you running multiple machines? I will assume so. - what is your gateway system? For example, a cable or DSL modem/router from your ISP. Does it implement NAT? - what are your machines trying to do? Are they just "clients" or are they intended to be servers to the internet. (I quote the word "client" because this is a distorted way of viewing the internet forced on us. - what is the unwanted traffic? (Ususally tcdump or wireshark or logging can tell you.) | Does anyone have any information on how to secure Ubuntu with iptables for | newbies to system administration and security in general ? Sadly, this is too big and general a question. | Do we have a best practices model for preventing intrusions and securing | one's system ? That's kind of jargon, but I know what you mean. You can do security from first principles (had work, and error prone), or you can copy something else that has consensus support. Every mainstream general distro tries to give you a good basis for a secure system (in my opinion, Ubuntu isn't the best but is OK). But from there, you customize for different purposes and need to adjust security appropriately. Summary: you need to specify what your systems are intended to do and how. Security has to reflect and be reflected in those designs. Security should not be an afterthought. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 04:18:43 2013 From: mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org (Molly Tournquist) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 00:18:43 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders Message-ID: <20130923041844.162790@gmx.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Elcomb > Sent: 09/20/13 08:14 PM > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Molly Tournquist > wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Scott Elcomb > >> Sent: 09/19/13 02:36 PM > >> A thick-ish pocket-size notebook with a flip open cover and colour > >> e-paper. Use the available depth to hold the electronics and for > >> keeping bluetooth earbuds in storage - similar in concept to a book > >> safe. > >> > >> Use Linux & FOSS, preferably on Open Hardware. Most importantly > >> though, let users customize their covers (also e-paper). > > > > Actually, using linux is questionable. Rockbox is already optimized for portable music players. Color E-paper is an issue of how good that technology is. > > Hmm, according to Wikipedia Rockbox is based on ?Clinux. That's pretty close :-) > > The idea was simply to have an open & extensible platform to reuse > available software (speech synthesis, voice recognition, etc) instead > of recreating wheels. (I'm glad to see that Rockbox has a > voice-capable UI.) > > Interestingly the article also mentions: "Daniel Stenberg, a founder > of the Rockbox project, envisions the project evolving away from a > standalone Rockbox operating system to Rockbox as a media player > application that runs under mobile operating systems, such as Android, > iOS, Sailfish OS or Tizen"... > With that general type of niche, rockbox running on an ereader's stock OS would also fall into the category. Maybe there's a bit of a question of quantity of code versus something highly optimized for a particular platform and function, particularly in terms of interface? One potential use for a hacked ereader would be any apps needed to be used at night / in the dark. though this would require it to be fitted/refitted with a red frontlight. The potential suitable extra uses for an ereader could vary based on which of the afforementioned types it was, compact 5" or large "HD", like the specialty version of the Aura. For open hardware of that type, would one with an expansion card slot seem like a worthwhile early step? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 06:58:29 2013 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 02:58:29 -0400 Subject: Flash-heavy sites; UGH! Don't blame Firefox. Message-ID: <20130923065829.GA28477@waltdnes.org> I'm in the process of switching from Firefox to UZBL as my primary web browser. It's a steep learning curve, as in "everything you know is wrong", but I digress. Firefox often hung for minutes at a time on my old Core2 Duo (2 cores). On my relatively new Intel i5 (4-cores), I'd often see loads between 2.5 and 3, with one webforum main page and 2 forum threads open and a few spreadsheets open!?!? Other programs were slower than I felt they should be. UZBL shows a similar usage. But one major advantage of UZBL is that each and every tab is actually a separate instance. When I ran "top" I could see multiple instances of "uzbl-core". Most were 1 to 2 %CPU usage. But 2 or 3 were bouncing between 75% and 105%!!! It was a bit of grunt work, but I eventually figured out which forum's tabs to close to kill those 100% cpu hogs. On further investigation, I noticed that one forum was running Flash video ads continuously!!! On each tab!!! It's a bit clunky, but it is possible to run instances of UZBL with different config files. So I decided to default to disabling all plugins (including Flash). For now, I'm testing UZBL without plugins, and using Opera for sites that I really want/need to show Flash (Youtube/Live365/NHLGameCenter). From now on I'll do either that or try to figure out how to elegantly run separate instances of UZBL with different config files (i.e. plugins enabled/disabled). It really frees up system resources. Currently, I have the offending forum open with 3 forum threads, a few spreadsheets, and I'm listening to Live365 internet radio on Opera. And I'm also composing this email in mutt, using vim as the editor. top is bouncing around mostly between .05 and .15 and the machine is nice and zippy. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 10:19:48 2013 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 06:19:48 -0400 Subject: Flash-heavy sites; UGH! Don't blame Firefox. In-Reply-To: <20130923065829.GA28477-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20130923065829.GA28477@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20130923101948.GA21154@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Firefox plus the noscript plugin allows you to whitelist javascript. Suddenly the Internet is fast again. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 11:00:58 2013 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:00:58 -0400 Subject: Flash-heavy sites; UGH! Don't blame Firefox. In-Reply-To: <20130923065829.GA28477-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20130923065829.GA28477@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: The latest Firefox shows a little "Lego" icon, to the left of the URL, that allows you to block plugins on a per site basis by clicking on it. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 13:37:02 2013 From: aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aruna Hewapathirane) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:37:02 -0400 Subject: IP-Tables and Security in General In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you everyone for the suggestions and my apologies for cross posting, I simply wanted to access as large a knowledge base as I possibly could out there. Am not running a network ( yet ) all I have is a single ancient PC ( Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz with 2GB RAM ) running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS mostly used to develop. My ISP is Bell so I have their router and when I had a look it says: - Connection type: Ethernet - IP address: 192.168.2.26 - IP address allocation: DHCP - *IP address type: Private (NAT)* So am guessing it implements Network Address Translation. I tried netstat -tanp and netstat -aute and top to try and isolate but this is easier said than done so I used Lightweight Portable Security Live CD for the time being and it stopped the unwanted traffic but now I can't mount my drive. fdisk-l shows zilch ? Is there a work around for this ? netstat -tanp gives me this, and what are all those connections and are they all legit or ?? Thank you everyone for all the ideas and help. Active Internet connections (servers and established) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State PID/Program name tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1191/cupsd tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:46270 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2331/GoogleTalkPlug tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:49991 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2331/GoogleTalkPlug tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:54472 74.125.225.116:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:52803 165.254.94.104:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44169 165.254.94.168:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:41957 23.61.97.224:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:37141 74.125.225.121:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:41993 23.61.97.224:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:36685 23.61.95.139:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44099 165.254.94.168:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:57406 207.152.124.122:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:41984 23.61.97.224:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44098 165.254.94.168:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:41983 23.61.97.224:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:43909 74.125.225.41:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 1 0 192.168.2.26:58247 165.254.94.114:80 CLOSE_WAIT 1905/clock-applet tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:39746 199.38.165.155:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:46506 74.125.225.127:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:53263 173.194.46.57:80 ESTABLISHED 2227/firefox tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:40756 173.194.46.45:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:54106 74.125.225.91:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44102 165.254.94.168:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:59210 199.7.51.72:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:55576 31.13.71.49:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44838 165.254.94.154:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:57073 74.125.225.89:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:60427 74.125.225.127:443 ESTABLISHED 2227/firefox tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:41370 165.254.94.113:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:52091 165.254.94.131:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:50579 216.239.120.40:80 ESTABLISHED 2227/firefox tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:53334 173.194.46.57:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:55095 165.254.94.130:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:33246 207.152.125.97:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:35851 74.125.225.154:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:60024 23.61.112.74:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:47021 173.194.46.85:443 ESTABLISHED 2227/firefox tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:37800 165.254.94.129:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44103 165.254.94.168:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44839 165.254.94.154:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:40799 74.125.142.95:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:35582 198.252.206.25:80 ESTABLISHED 2227/firefox tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44100 165.254.94.168:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:46961 165.254.94.139:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:35943 31.13.71.49:443 ESTABLISHED 2227/firefox tcp 1 0 192.168.2.26:58246 165.254.94.114:80 CLOSE_WAIT 1905/clock-applet tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:42513 127.0.0.1:49991 ESTABLISHED 2328/plugin-contain tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:41982 23.61.97.224:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:59619 173.194.46.66:443 ESTABLISHED 2227/firefox tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:40798 74.125.142.95:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:47682 131.253.40.48:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:40833 74.125.142.95:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:37145 74.125.225.121:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:43287 23.61.81.169:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:52804 165.254.94.104:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44101 165.254.94.168:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:45436 207.152.124.89:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:52800 165.254.94.104:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:49379 74.125.225.124:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:52802 165.254.94.104:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:59186 199.7.51.72:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:49991 127.0.0.1:42513 ESTABLISHED 2331/GoogleTalkPlug tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:52801 165.254.94.104:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:54619 74.125.225.123:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:55570 31.13.71.49:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:57492 165.254.94.145:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:52805 165.254.94.104:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp6 0 0 ::1:631 :::* LISTEN 1191/cupsd On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 1:09 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Aruna Hewapathirane > > | To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community , > Toronto Linux User's Group > > Cross-posting to lists like these is probably a bad idea. So I've > only replied to the TLUG list. > > | I recently noticed lots of incoming connections on my fire-starter ( its > | the firewall I use ) and my load average kicked up considerably but I am > | unable to identify what is specifically causing all this sudden unwanted > | incoming traffic as am no network specialist :-) > > You have told us way too little about your network for us to give > specific advice. > > - are you running multiple machines? I will assume so. > > - what is your gateway system? For example, a cable or DSL > modem/router from your ISP. Does it implement NAT? > > - what are your machines trying to do? Are they just "clients" or are > they intended to be servers to the internet. (I quote the word > "client" because this is a distorted way of viewing the internet > forced on us. > > - what is the unwanted traffic? (Ususally tcdump or wireshark or > logging can tell you.) > > | Does anyone have any information on how to secure Ubuntu with iptables > for > | newbies to system administration and security in general ? > > Sadly, this is too big and general a question. > > | Do we have a best practices model for preventing intrusions and securing > | one's system ? > > That's kind of jargon, but I know what you mean. > > You can do security from first principles (had work, and error prone), > or you can copy something else that has consensus support. > > Every mainstream general distro tries to give you a good basis for a secure > system (in my opinion, Ubuntu isn't the best but is OK). But from > there, you customize for different purposes and need to adjust security > appropriately. > > Summary: you need to specify what your systems are intended to do and > how. Security has to reflect and be reflected in those designs. > Security should not be an afterthought. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- *Aruna Hewapathirane* Consultant/Trainer Phone : 647-709-9269 Website: Open Source Solutions -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 15:07:09 2013 From: thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mauro Souza) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:07:09 -0300 Subject: Secure Credit Card Station In-Reply-To: <20130922065753.GA5999-+21/tKCbORjP0Z7Jsv878P8+0UxHXcjY@public.gmane.org> References: <20130921161933.b2d824e9a4e9fbaa9772b46e@eol.ca> <20130922065753.GA5999@node1.localdomain> Message-ID: Private browsing will not prevent any keylogger from capturing anything, and would be very very easy to the owner of the system to install a CA certificate on the machine and MiTM every connection. A portable credit/debit machine would be ideal. Everyone knows them, trusts them, and they are easy to setup. How to hack it? I can see some ways. If you have a browser, and it can connect to any site, is easy to download a terminal emulator and run it. Or download a tarball and extract it somewhere, and run whatever is inside. If I can connect to addons.mozilla.org I can install some good addons and get a lot of things. I can install a rogue certificate, I can redirect the users somewhere else. I can run the browser fullscreen, and create a site that mimics the browser, but all traffic is redirected. Or I can access a VNC server via browser, let it open, and every user will connect to my server, instead of yours. If it can pass GRC testing is a good thing, until someone uses the machine. You will have to retest the machine for EVERY customer, or it means nothing. Mauro http://mauro.limeiratem.com - registered Linux User: 294521 Scripture is both history, and a love letter from God. 2013/9/22 William Park > On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 04:19:33PM -0400, Howard Gibson wrote: > > An organzation I belong to is interested in setting up a laptop on > > which members can do credit card transactions. I pointed out to > > them that I do not type my credit card number onto MY laptop. I am > > sure as hell not typing it on someone else's. I am looking into > > the problem here, at the very least, because it is interesting. > > Let us assume people are willing to trust us. > > > > The offending laptop is running Linux. It is connected to the > > internet, probably through wifi. It is placed facing a wall or > > some other barrier so that people can sit at it and not have their > > keystrokes observed. I have set up a user account with a > > restricted environment. The user can launch a browser that > > connects to our website, or they can log out. There is no access > > to other applications, file managers, or terminals. We will log > > them in. They will not know the password. There are multiple ways > > to do this. I picked one of them. As far as I know, the machine > > passes http://www.grc.com's True Stealth analysis. I need to test > > this. > > > > Any thoughts on this? > > > > If you knew we were doing this, how would you hack into the machine? > > If you are talking about letting members shop online, then I think there > is "Start Private Browsing" (under Tools tab) in Firefox. You can tell > them to use that. But, I would recommend to avoid this kind of > liability. > -- > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hugh Redelmeier Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 10:20:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [TLUG]: IP-Tables and Security in General Reply-To: davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org On 09/23/2013 09:37 AM, Aruna Hewapathirane wrote: > Thank you everyone for the suggestions and my apologies for cross > posting, I simply wanted to access as large a knowledge base as I > possibly could out there. > > Am not running a network ( yet ) all I have is a single ancient PC ( > Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz with 2GB RAM ) running Ubuntu 10.04 > LTS mostly used to develop. > > My ISP is Bell so I have their router and when I had a look it says: > > * Connection type: Ethernet > * IP address: 192.168.2.26 > * IP address allocation: DHCP > * *IP address type: Private (NAT)* > > So am guessing it implements Network Address Translation. I tried > netstat -tanp and netstat -aute and top to try and isolate but this is > easier said than done so I used Lightweight Portable Security Live CD > for the time being and it stopped the unwanted traffic but now I can't > mount my drive. > > fdisk-l shows zilch ? Is there a work around for this ? > > netstat -tanp gives me this, and what are all those connections and > are they all legit or ?? Thank you everyone for all the ideas and help. > > Active Internet connections (servers and established) > Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address > State PID/Program name > tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 > 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1191/cupsd > tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:46270 > 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2331/GoogleTalkPlug > tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:49991 > 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2331/GoogleTalkPlug > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:54472 > 74.125.225.116:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:52803 > 165.254.94.104:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44169 > 165.254.94.168:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:41957 > 23.61.97.224:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:37141 > 74.125.225.121:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:41993 > 23.61.97.224:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:36685 > 23.61.95.139:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44099 > 165.254.94.168:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:57406 > 207.152.124.122:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:41984 > 23.61.97.224:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44098 > 165.254.94.168:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:41983 > 23.61.97.224:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:43909 > 74.125.225.41:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 1 0 192.168.2.26:58247 > 165.254.94.114:80 > CLOSE_WAIT 1905/clock-applet > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:39746 > 199.38.165.155:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:46506 > 74.125.225.127:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:53263 > 173.194.46.57:80 > ESTABLISHED 2227/firefox > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:40756 > 173.194.46.45:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:54106 > 74.125.225.91:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44102 > 165.254.94.168:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:59210 > 199.7.51.72:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:55576 > 31.13.71.49:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44838 > 165.254.94.154:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:57073 > 74.125.225.89:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:60427 > 74.125.225.127:443 > ESTABLISHED 2227/firefox > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:41370 > 165.254.94.113:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:52091 > 165.254.94.131:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:50579 > 216.239.120.40:80 > ESTABLISHED 2227/firefox > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:53334 > 173.194.46.57:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:55095 > 165.254.94.130:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:33246 > 207.152.125.97:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:35851 > 74.125.225.154:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:60024 > 23.61.112.74:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:47021 > 173.194.46.85:443 > ESTABLISHED 2227/firefox > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:37800 > 165.254.94.129:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44103 > 165.254.94.168:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44839 > 165.254.94.154:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:40799 > 74.125.142.95:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:35582 > 198.252.206.25:80 > ESTABLISHED 2227/firefox > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44100 > 165.254.94.168:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:46961 > 165.254.94.139:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:35943 > 31.13.71.49:443 > ESTABLISHED 2227/firefox > tcp 1 0 192.168.2.26:58246 > 165.254.94.114:80 > CLOSE_WAIT 1905/clock-applet > tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:42513 > 127.0.0.1:49991 ESTABLISHED > 2328/plugin-contain > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:41982 > 23.61.97.224:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:59619 > 173.194.46.66:443 > ESTABLISHED 2227/firefox > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:40798 > 74.125.142.95:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:47682 > 131.253.40.48:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:40833 > 74.125.142.95:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:37145 > 74.125.225.121:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:43287 > 23.61.81.169:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:52804 > 165.254.94.104:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44101 > 165.254.94.168:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:45436 > 207.152.124.89:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:52800 > 165.254.94.104:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:49379 > 74.125.225.124:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:52802 > 165.254.94.104:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:59186 > 199.7.51.72:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:49991 > 127.0.0.1:42513 ESTABLISHED > 2331/GoogleTalkPlug > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:52801 > 165.254.94.104:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:54619 > 74.125.225.123:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:55570 > 31.13.71.49:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:57492 > 165.254.94.145:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:52805 > 165.254.94.104:80 > TIME_WAIT - > tcp6 0 0 ::1:631 :::* > LISTEN 1191/cupsd > > > > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 1:09 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier > wrote: > > | From: Aruna Hewapathirane > > > | To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community > >, > Toronto Linux User's Group > > > Cross-posting to lists like these is probably a bad idea. So I've > only replied to the TLUG list. > > | I recently noticed lots of incoming connections on my > fire-starter ( its > | the firewall I use ) and my load average kicked up considerably > but I am > | unable to identify what is specifically causing all this sudden > unwanted > | incoming traffic as am no network specialist :-) > > You have told us way too little about your network for us to give > specific advice. > > - are you running multiple machines? I will assume so. > > - what is your gateway system? For example, a cable or DSL > modem/router from your ISP. Does it implement NAT? > > - what are your machines trying to do? Are they just "clients" or are > they intended to be servers to the internet. (I quote the word > "client" because this is a distorted way of viewing the internet > forced on us. > > - what is the unwanted traffic? (Ususally tcdump or wireshark or > logging can tell you.) > > | Does anyone have any information on how to secure Ubuntu with > iptables for > | newbies to system administration and security in general ? > > Sadly, this is too big and general a question. > > | Do we have a best practices model for preventing intrusions and > securing > | one's system ? > > That's kind of jargon, but I know what you mean. > > You can do security from first principles (had work, and error prone), > or you can copy something else that has consensus support. > > Every mainstream general distro tries to give you a good basis for > a secure > system (in my opinion, Ubuntu isn't the best but is OK). But from > there, you customize for different purposes and need to adjust > security > appropriately. > > Summary: you need to specify what your systems are intended to do and > how. Security has to reflect and be reflected in those designs. > Security should not be an afterthought. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- > *Aruna Hewapathirane* > Consultant/Trainer > Phone : 647-709-9269 > Website:Open Source Solutions > > > > > > The netstat looks odd: I get --- [sudo] password for davecb: Active Internet connections (servers and established) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State PID/Program name tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2049 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:58022 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 953/rpc.statd tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:875 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 975/rpc.rquotad tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 946/rpcbind tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:20048 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 984/rpc.mountd tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:45748 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1556/cupsd tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 24905/sendmail: acc tcp 0 0 10.111.100.153:42429 64.147.188.18:443 ESTABLISHED 24964/firefox tcp 0 0 10.111.100.153:42421 64.147.188.18:443 ESTABLISHED 24964/firefox tcp 0 0 10.111.100.153:34575 166.78.79.129:993 CLOSE_WAIT 25063/thunderbird tcp 0 0 10.111.100.153:37796 74.125.225.112:443 ESTABLISHED 25063/thunderbird tcp 1 0 10.111.100.153:43363 64.147.188.18:443 CLOSE_WAIT 24964/firefox tcp 0 0 10.111.100.153:58745 207.245.223.251:993 ESTABLISHED 25063/thunderbird tcp 38 0 10.111.100.153:43349 64.147.188.18:443 CLOSE_WAIT 24964/firefox tcp 0 0 10.111.100.153:34579 166.78.79.129:993 ESTABLISHED 25063/thunderbird tcp 0 0 10.111.100.153:42431 64.147.188.18:443 ESTABLISHED 24964/firefox tcp 0 0 10.111.100.153:58823 207.245.223.251:993 ESTABLISHED 25063/thunderbird tcp 38 0 10.111.100.153:42417 64.147.188.18:443 CLOSE_WAIT 24964/firefox tcp 1 0 10.111.100.153:42430 64.147.188.18:443 CLOSE_WAIT 24964/firefox tcp 0 0 10.111.100.153:39607 173.194.68.16:993 ESTABLISHED 25063/thunderbird tcp 0 0 10.111.100.153:42428 64.147.188.18:443 ESTABLISHED 24964/firefox tcp 0 0 10.111.100.153:42423 64.147.188.18:443 ESTABLISHED 24964/firefox tcp 0 0 10.111.100.153:42422 64.147.188.18:443 ESTABLISHED 24964/firefox tcp 0 0 10.111.100.153:42425 64.147.188.18:443 ESTABLISHED 24964/firefox tcp6 0 0 :::2049 :::* LISTEN - tcp6 0 0 :::111 :::* LISTEN 946/rpcbind tcp6 0 0 :::20048 :::* LISTEN 984/rpc.mountd tcp6 0 0 :::58578 :::* LISTEN - tcp6 0 0 :::38933 :::* LISTEN 953/rpc.statd tcp6 0 0 ::1:631 :::* LISTEN 1556/cupsd the listens are daemons, the close-waits and established are what I get, but all the time-waits look wierd tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:54472 74.125.225.116:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:52803 165.254.94.104:80 TIME_WAIT - tcp 0 0 192.168.2.26:44169 165.254.94.168:80 TIME_WAIT - They're all from you to someone's port 80. so they may just be http sessions originating with you that are waiting to be sure data has arrived, but there are a lot of them. Were you hopping around to all those addresses just before you took the snapshot? --dave -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org | -- Mark Twain (416) 223-8968 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 15:31:30 2013 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: IP-Tables and Security in General In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Aruna Hewapathirane | Am not running a network ( yet ) You are running a network, just a simple one. You still haven't specified the network you do want to run. Surely that's what you want to secure. | all I have is a single ancient PC ( | Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz with 2GB RAM ) running Ubuntu 10.04 | LTS mostly used to develop. Why not move to 12.04 LTS? I don't know how good the support for 10.04 is these days. | My ISP is Bell so I have their router and when I had a look it says: | | - Connection type: Ethernet | - IP address: 192.168.2.26 | - IP address allocation: DHCP | - *IP address type: Private (NAT)* | | So am guessing it implements Network Address Translation. Surely. So significant protection is provided by NAT: essentially all traffic to your machine is initiated by you (your machine is a "client"). There are still attack vectors. For your simple setup, Ubuntu is probably mostly safe out of the box, without significant configuration. Of course it can be improved. You, the user and sysadmin, need to avoid unsafe acts. (I haven't looked at your netstat output.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 16:06:31 2013 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:06:31 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: <20130919161937.GL13099-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20130918223044.177910@gmx.com> <20130919161937.GL13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <52406707.1020801@ve3syb.ca> On 13-09-19 12:19 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > The audio part is really really pointless. In fact sony dropped audio > support from their newer models because an ereader makes a lousy mp3 > player and it is a waste of the ereaders battery. Pointless? For most people, perhaps. One use for audio in an eReader would be to handle text to speech, or for audio books, for the visually impaired. I picked up an Android based tablet to allow me to do some of the things I used to do on my laptop (which recently failed). I have a Sony eReader for reading books as I don't have to worry too much about its batteries if I get in to a long session of reading. The main reason to read books on a tablet is when you are reading something where you want to see the pictures in the book in colour (such as when I read the book I have on CSS). If I want to listen to MP3's I have my Palm based PDA for that. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 16:09:12 2013 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:09:12 -0400 Subject: Flash-heavy sites; UGH! Don't blame Firefox. In-Reply-To: <20130923101948.GA21154-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <20130923065829.GA28477@waltdnes.org> <20130923101948.GA21154@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <524067A8.8060501@ve3syb.ca> On 13-09-23 06:19 AM, Neil Watson wrote: > Firefox plus the noscript plugin allows you to whitelist javascript. > Suddenly the Internet is fast again. I was recently working on a small bit of javascript for something so I enabled JS debugging. When I started browsing other sites (having forgotten to turn off the debugging feature), I was almost shocked to see how many sites throw JS errors, typically as the result of bad coding. JS programmers should get in to the habit of enabling the debug feature when working on JS code so they can catch their coding errors instead of inflicting a lot of bad code on the rest of the world. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 16:16:45 2013 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:16:45 -0400 Subject: Secure Credit Card Station In-Reply-To: References: <20130921161933.b2d824e9a4e9fbaa9772b46e@eol.ca> Message-ID: <5240696D.5090503@ve3syb.ca> On 13-09-21 05:19 PM, Alex Beamish wrote: > If I were presented with this scenario, I would choose not to make the > purchase, as I'd have no way to tell if there were hidden cameras around or > key-loggers installed on the laptop. I only use my credit card to buy on the > Internet using my own systems. I agree with that. I wouldn't trust someones laptop. You don't know for sure what will be done with the data you enter, or if the laptop is free of malware/spyware that could capture the CC data and pass it to someone else. > I would recommend instead some sort of portable Cedit/Debit machine that's > been approved by the bank. You often see portable machines at various events and trade fairs. We may be used to using them but I've heard of situations where they have been used to capture CC data. You can't really know if the use of any given machine is truly safe. The only real way to keep CC data safe is not to use the card but that defeats the purpose of having one in the first place. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 16:22:32 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:22:32 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: <52406707.1020801-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20130918223044.177910@gmx.com> <20130919161937.GL13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <52406707.1020801@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20130923162232.GQ13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:06:31PM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Pointless? For most people, perhaps. One use for audio in an eReader > would be to handle text to speech, or for audio books, for the > visually impaired. > > I picked up an Android based tablet to allow me to do some of the > things I used to do on my laptop (which recently failed). I have a > Sony eReader for reading books as I don't have to worry too much > about its batteries if I get in to a long session of reading. The > main reason to read books on a tablet is when you are reading > something where you want to see the pictures in the book in colour > (such as when I read the book I have on CSS). > > If I want to listen to MP3's I have my Palm based PDA for that. I think if you wanted text to speech or audio books, then the ereader isn't what you were looking for in the first place. It would make much more sense to add text to speech to a decent MP3 player instead. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 16:34:07 2013 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:34:07 -0400 Subject: Secure Credit Card Station In-Reply-To: <5240696D.5090503-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20130921161933.b2d824e9a4e9fbaa9772b46e@eol.ca> <5240696D.5090503@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > On 13-09-21 05:19 PM, Alex Beamish wrote: >> >> If I were presented with this scenario, I would choose not to make the >> purchase, as I'd have no way to tell if there were hidden cameras around >> or >> key-loggers installed on the laptop. I only use my credit card to buy on >> the >> Internet using my own systems. > > > I agree with that. I wouldn't trust someones laptop. You don't know for sure > what will be done with the data you enter, or if the laptop is free of > malware/spyware that could capture the CC data and pass it to someone else. You're missing the more crucial failing... It isn't necessary for the exploit to involve the laptop itself, or for there to be anything untrustworthy at that layer. If I were keen on defeating this, I wouldn't be very enthusiastic about options that required hacking the software, because that would leave pretty heavy footprints if it were discovered. The hidden camera idea is *much* better as it is effective without there being any need to compromise any software. Go ahead, get the device certified, however you like; that'll improve your confidence, whilst it doesn't do anything to help against the exploit that'll actually bite... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 16:35:59 2013 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:35:59 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: <20130923162232.GQ13099-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20130918223044.177910@gmx.com> <20130919161937.GL13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <52406707.1020801@ve3syb.ca> <20130923162232.GQ13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <52406DEF.9050809@ve3syb.ca> On 13-09-23 12:22 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I think if you wanted text to speech or audio books, then the ereader > isn't what you were looking for in the first place. It would make much > more sense to add text to speech to a decent MP3 player instead. If you had an audio book then an eReader wouldn't be the best choice for playback. If you have a text file and need text to speech, how likely are you to find an MP3 player that can do that? -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 16:46:06 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:46:06 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: <52406DEF.9050809-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20130918223044.177910@gmx.com> <20130919161937.GL13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <52406707.1020801@ve3syb.ca> <20130923162232.GQ13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <52406DEF.9050809@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20130923164606.GR13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:35:59PM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: > If you had an audio book then an eReader wouldn't be the best choice > for playback. If you have a text file and need text to speech, how > likely are you to find an MP3 player that can do that? Probably not very likely, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be the sensible device to do such a job. lots of tools exist to preconvert text to audio before loading it onto an mp3 player. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 16:46:10 2013 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:46:10 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: <20130918223044.177910-KK0ffGbhmjU@public.gmane.org> References: <20130918223044.177910@gmx.com> Message-ID: <20130923164610.GA77227@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> I bought a Kobo last year. I do not like it. 1. It is under powered and buggy. I bought Template Toolkit from O'Reilly and the Kobo would slow to a crawl when reading it. 2. Getting old stories from Project Gutenberg is nice. 3. The screen is too small for text books, but OK for novels. 4. The process of buying an ebook or borrowing from the library is so invasive that I stopped doing this. Borrowing an Ebook requires software from Adobe. So, the library, Adobe, and the publisher all know my reading habits. I hate this. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 16:51:56 2013 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:51:56 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: <20130923164610.GA77227-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <20130918223044.177910@gmx.com> <20130923164610.GA77227@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <524071AC.2040208@rogers.com> Neil Watson wrote: > I bought a Kobo last year. I do not like it. > > 1. It is under powered and buggy. I bought Template Toolkit from > O'Reilly and the Kobo would slow to a crawl when reading it. > 2. Getting old stories from Project Gutenberg is nice. > 3. The screen is too small for text books, but OK for novels. > 4. The process of buying an ebook or borrowing from the library is so > invasive that I stopped doing this. Borrowing an Ebook requires software > from Adobe. So, the library, Adobe, and the publisher all know my > reading habits. I hate this. That's why I stopped using my Kobo, in favour of my tablet. With the tablet, you can download books direct to it, including library books, rather than to a computer and then copying from the computer to the reader. There is Adobe software for tables available. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 16:59:16 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:59:16 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: <20130923164610.GA77227-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <20130918223044.177910@gmx.com> <20130923164610.GA77227@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20130923165916.GS13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:46:10PM -0400, Neil Watson wrote: > I bought a Kobo last year. I do not like it. > > 1. It is under powered and buggy. I bought Template Toolkit from > O'Reilly and the Kobo would slow to a crawl when reading it. I don't know what level of processor the kobo has. > 2. Getting old stories from Project Gutenberg is nice. > 3. The screen is too small for text books, but OK for novels. That is certainly likely. > 4. The process of buying an ebook or borrowing from the library is so > invasive that I stopped doing this. Borrowing an Ebook requires software > from Adobe. So, the library, Adobe, and the publisher all know my > reading habits. I hate this. Whenever Adobe gets involved, you know it's going to be bad. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 17:00:12 2013 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:00:12 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: <524071AC.2040208-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20130918223044.177910@gmx.com> <20130923164610.GA77227@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <524071AC.2040208@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:51 PM, James Knott wrote: > Neil Watson wrote: >> I bought a Kobo last year. I do not like it. >> >> 1. It is under powered and buggy. I bought Template Toolkit from >> O'Reilly and the Kobo would slow to a crawl when reading it. >> 2. Getting old stories from Project Gutenberg is nice. >> 3. The screen is too small for text books, but OK for novels. >> 4. The process of buying an ebook or borrowing from the library is so >> invasive that I stopped doing this. Borrowing an Ebook requires software >> from Adobe. So, the library, Adobe, and the publisher all know my >> reading habits. I hate this. > > That's why I stopped using my Kobo, in favour of my tablet. With the > tablet, you can download books direct to it, including library books, > rather than to a computer and then copying from the computer to the > reader. There is Adobe software for tables available. I have never installed a book to my Kobo using the vendor-provided software; I have been quite happy with Calibre as software to manage the "library" of books on the device. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 17:07:59 2013 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:07:59 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: References: <20130918223044.177910@gmx.com> <20130923164610.GA77227@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> <524071AC.2040208@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20130923170759.GA80290@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 01:00:12PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: >I have never installed a book to my Kobo using the vendor-provided >software; I have been quite happy with Calibre as software to manage >the "library" of books on the device. I use Calibre. I loaded Gutenberg content using it, and what I bought from O'Reilly. O'Reilly has the least draconian ebooks I've encountered. To borrow from the Markham public library one must use the Adobe software. The library is main source of pleasure reading. I'm sticking with paper books. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 23 20:15:19 2013 From: mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org (Molly Tournquist) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:15:19 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders Message-ID: <20130923201520.181870@gmx.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lennart Sorensen > Sent: 09/23/13 12:22 PM > I think if you wanted text to speech or audio books, then the ereader > isn't what you were looking for in the first place. It would make much > more sense to add text to speech to a decent MP3 player instead. Then how is your issue excluded by the topic? Rockbox as the prototypical remedy for an exagerated divide between ereaders and mp3 players was suggested right at the start. If you wanted a device built made with read-out-books in mind, something with a fairly large unlit/monochrome LCD screen would be natural. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin Cozens > Sent: 09/23/13 12:06 PM > If I want to listen to MP3's I have my Palm based PDA for that. It still has some things that close modern alternatives(like sub 6 inch android tablets) are catching up on? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Neil Watson > Sent: 09/23/13 12:46 PM > 3. The screen is too small for text books, but OK for novels. What I've heard is that text book usage is crippled by screen size, page jumping delays *and* lack of color. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 24 00:14:43 2013 From: aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aruna Hewapathirane) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:14:43 -0400 Subject: IP-Tables and Security in General In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | You are running a network, just a simple one. | I am ? Oh-kay I shoud have known :-))) | You still haven't specified the network you do want to run. Surely that's what you want to secure. | It is the same single PC that I am trying to secure.. | Why not move to 12.04 LTS? I don't know how good the support for 10.04 is these days. | I have 12.04 on another partition but I have issues with Unity, I have Gnome Classic Fallback installed but that is still Gnome3 and kinnda heavy whereas Gnome2 I love and is uncluttered stays out of the way but allows one to do what needs to with a minimum number of mouse clicks or keystrokes. Unity am guessing is targetting mobile devices and that is a good thing but my question is how many of us develop using cell-phones or tablets ? Very few I think so am sticking with my Gnome2... | Surely. So significant protection is provided by NAT: essentially all traffic to your machine is initiated by you (your machine is a "client"). There are still attack vectors. | Aaah.. now am starting to understand, much obliged. | For your simple setup, Ubuntu is probably mostly safe out of the box, without significant configuration. Of course it can be improved. | I never had a prob with ubuntu and the only thing I did that may have caused all this havoc is install virtualbox to test Windows Xp. | You, the user and sysadmin, need to avoid unsafe acts. | I take all possible precautions but am human with all the associated failings :-) | (I haven't looked at your netstat output.) | The more I study the netstat outpt the more confused I get :-( On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:31 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Aruna Hewapathirane > > | Am not running a network ( yet ) > > You are running a network, just a simple one. > > You still haven't specified the network you do want to run. Surely that's > what you want to secure. > > | all I have is a single ancient PC ( > | Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz with 2GB RAM ) running Ubuntu 10.04 > | LTS mostly used to develop. > > Why not move to 12.04 LTS? I don't know how good the support for > 10.04 is these days. > > | My ISP is Bell so I have their router and when I had a look it says: > | > | - Connection type: Ethernet > | - IP address: 192.168.2.26 > | - IP address allocation: DHCP > | - *IP address type: Private (NAT)* > | > | So am guessing it implements Network Address Translation. > > Surely. > > So significant protection is provided by NAT: essentially all traffic > to your machine is initiated by you (your machine is a "client"). > There are still attack vectors. > > For your simple setup, Ubuntu is probably mostly safe out of the box, > without significant configuration. Of course it can be improved. > > You, the user and sysadmin, need to avoid unsafe acts. > > (I haven't looked at your netstat output.) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- *Aruna Hewapathirane* Consultant/Trainer Phone : 647-709-9269 Website: Open Source Solutions -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 25 20:54:22 2013 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:54:22 -0400 Subject: HDMI to VGA adapter has arrived. Message-ID: <52434D7E.9020700@ss.org> As ordered at the Exec meeting, the HDMI to VGA adapter has arrived. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 25 21:00:10 2013 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 17:00:10 -0400 Subject: HDMI to VGA adapter has arrived. In-Reply-To: <52434D7E.9020700-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <52434D7E.9020700@ss.org> Message-ID: <52434EDA.4070201@ss.org> On 09/25/2013 04:54 PM, Scott Sullivan wrote: > As ordered at the Exec meeting, the HDMI to VGA adapter has arrived. > Okay... so that went to the wrong list. For those interested, we have recognized that many more machines/phone/tablets are HDMI equipped. To ensure greater comparability for our presenters we've invested in an HDMI to VGA adapter to use with our projector. We chose this one specifically, after borrowing the same model from Colin McGregor for testing. http://canada.newark.com/element14/piview/cable-assembly-hdmi-to-vga-adapter/dp/07W8937 -- Scott Sullivan GTALUG Board Chair / Talks Coordinator -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 25 21:15:46 2013 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 17:15:46 -0400 Subject: For sale: Tyan AM2 board, Opteron, and 8GB of ram. Message-ID: <20130925211546.GA113001@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Greetings, Before I go to the general public, anyone at TLUG can have first crack. For sale: Tyan S2925 Tomcat n3400B, socket AM2 Original box, manual, and CD. AMD Opteron 1354, 2200Mhz, 4 cores 8GB Ram, 4x2GB DDR2, ECC. http://www.flickr.com/photos/55355514 at N04/sets/72157635892272644/ Asking $130. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 26 02:29:15 2013 From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:29:15 -0400 Subject: Software Freedom Day in Kitchner, Sat, 28 Sep 2013 Message-ID: <52439BFB.7070501@sobac.com> Hi Everyone! In case you don't already know, this Saturday we're celebrating Software Freedom Day one week late at the Kwartzlab Makerspace in Kitchener. We've got presentations scheduled throughout the day, there will be an installfest taking place, we'll have Q&A and discussions in the comfy lounge, and at the end of the day we're streaming the keynote speech by Richard Stallman from the GNU 30th Anniversary celebrations at MIT in Cambridge, Massachusetts. What: Software Freedom Day When: Saturday, 28 September 2013 from 10:00am to 5:00pm Where: Kwartzlab Makerspace, 33 Kent Avenue, Kitchener, Ontario, Canada Map: http://osm.org/go/ZXnwY4DZc?m=&way=199095014 LoCo Event: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/2497/detail SFD Wiki: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2013/Canada/Kitchener/Kwartzlab Sing-a-long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kTfcfQ3uEo IRC: #sfd or #kwartzlab channels on Freenode Webchat: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=sfd,kwartzlab Hope to see you there! --Bob. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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To ensure greater comparability > for our presenters we've invested in an HDMI to VGA adapter to use with our > projector. > > We chose this one specifically, after borrowing the same model from Colin > McGregor for testing. > > http://canada.newark.com/element14/piview/cable-assembly-hdmi-to-vga-adapter/dp/07W8937 Just to expand on this a little, I bought the above adapter for use with one of my Raspberry Pies. Having spent $35 on a computer, I wasn't about to drop another $100+ plus on a new monitor, not when I had a couple of 15" LCD VGA monitors available. Reading some of the Raspberry Pi message boards turns up the fact that some of the HDMI to VGA adapters don't get along with the Raspberry Pi (the adapters steal power from the Pi, and some demand more power than the Pi can supply...). Bottom line for me was that the "PI View" adapter was a safe choice to allow me to re-use monitors with a Raspberry Pi... The nice bit here being that these adapters will work in, as far as I know, all HDMI to VGA situations... > -- > Scott Sullivan > GTALUG Board Chair / Talks Coordinator > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 27 07:30:08 2013 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 03:30:08 -0400 Subject: HDMI to VGA adapter has arrived. In-Reply-To: References: <52434D7E.9020700@ss.org> <52434EDA.4070201@ss.org> Message-ID: On 26 September 2013 15:24, Colin McGregor wrote: > > We chose this one specifically, after borrowing the same model from Colin > > McGregor for testing. > > > > > http://canada.newark.com/element14/piview/cable-assembly-hdmi-to-vga-adapter/dp/07W8937 > > Just to expand on this a little, I bought the above adapter for use > with one of my Raspberry Pies. Having spent $35 on a computer, I > wasn't about to drop another $100+ plus on a new monitor, not when I > had a couple of 15" LCD VGA monitors available. That's why I'm surprised that you dropped $20+shipping on an HDMI-to-VGA adaptor: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1080P-Chipset-HDMI-Male-to-VGA-Female-Video-Cable-Cord-Converter-Adapter-Black/310757053138 Maybe it might not have worked, but it was probably worth trying at the price. It looks identical to the Newark one. - Evan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In addition to book reading (Aldiko, Acrobat) I use my tablet to watch videos (YouTube, Netflix, BeyondPod), edit documents (Google Docs and now the free QuickOffice), read the days news (Taptu, Reddit is Fun). And of course browsing (Dolphin), where the screen is far easier to work with than a phone and I can often use the regular sites rather than the oft-crippled "mobile optimised" versions. Both ePub and PDFs allow for their documents to contain embedded Internet links; these are generally useless in a dedicated eBook reader whose browser is either horrid or non-existent. The original gaps between tablets and dedicated ebook readers was price and screen quality, and in both areas the gap has narrowed considerably. I now find the low prices of dedicated ebook readers the result of subsidy in return for locking you (or at least heavily steering you) towards the hardware makers' bookstore. This is certainly the case for the Kindle, though you can get Kindle for Android and have the best of both worlds. There is a reason why MP3 player sales are rapidly dying; phones can do just as good a job, and can do other things as well. The same future awaits dedicated ebook readers except for specialized niches (ie, school and library use where non-eBook functions and remote access are to be actively dissuaded). HTH - Evan On 23 September 2013 16:15, Molly Tournquist wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Lennart Sorensen > Sent: 09/23/13 12:22 PM > > I think if you wanted text to speech or audio books, then the ereader > > isn't what you were looking for in the first place. It would make much > > more sense to add text to speech to a decent MP3 player instead. > > Then how is your issue excluded by the topic? Rockbox as the prototypical > remedy for an exagerated divide between ereaders and mp3 players was > suggested right at the start. > > If you wanted a device built made with read-out-books in mind, something > with a fairly large unlit/monochrome LCD screen would be natural. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kevin Cozens > Sent: 09/23/13 12:06 PM > > If I want to listen to MP3's I have my Palm based PDA for that. > > It still has some things that close modern alternatives(like sub 6 inch > android tablets) are catching up on? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Neil Watson > Sent: 09/23/13 12:46 PM > > 3. The screen is too small for text books, but OK for novels. > > What I've heard is that text book usage is crippled by screen size, page > jumping delays *and* lack of color. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Evan Leibovitch Toronto Canada Em: evan at telly dot org Sk: evanleibovitch Tw: el56 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 27 14:55:02 2013 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:55:02 -0400 Subject: More on tiny ARM-based PCs Message-ID: Given all the recent interest in Pi's and Bones, I'm curious to know if anyone in TLUG has a CuBox. It's more expensive than the others, but has recently gone through a significant price drop. I am especially interested to know if its architecture is considered more open than the Pi's, given the number of ... issues ... that exist regarding its openness. One intetresting thing about it, apparently, is that since its processor (Marvell) supports the ARMv7 spec it is able to run Android and conventional Linux (one report claims it can run KDE, not a small feat for one of these tiny things). All reviews and analysis, good or bad, are welcome. Thanks! -- Evan Leibovitch Toronto Canada Em: evan at telly dot org Sk: evanleibovitch Tw: el56 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 27 15:45:58 2013 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:45:58 -0400 Subject: HDMI to VGA adapter has arrived. In-Reply-To: References: <52434D7E.9020700@ss.org> <52434EDA.4070201@ss.org> Message-ID: <5245A836.5040802@ss.org> On 09/27/2013 03:30 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > On 26 September 2013 15:24, Colin McGregor > wrote: > > > We chose this one specifically, after borrowing the same model > from Colin > > McGregor for testing. > > > > > http://canada.newark.com/element14/piview/cable-assembly-hdmi-to-vga-adapter/dp/07W8937 > > Just to expand on this a little, I bought the above adapter for use > with one of my Raspberry Pies. Having spent $35 on a computer, I > wasn't about to drop another $100+ plus on a new monitor, not when I > had a couple of 15" LCD VGA monitors available. > > > That's why I'm surprised that you dropped $20+shipping on an HDMI-to-VGA > adaptor: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/1080P-Chipset-HDMI-Male-to-VGA-Female-Video-Cable-Cord-Converter-Adapter-Black/310757053138 > > Maybe it might not have worked, but it was probably worth trying at the > price. It looks identical to the Newark one. In this particular case, paying the little extra for something we know will work was worth the extra. It's about ROI and we will get it. Additionally it was trivial for me to include it in an order with other items, so convenience was also a factor. The other issue with this logic is that if it doesn't work, I'm now out $4 + $20 and a lot of time, instead of just $20 and ready to roll. These choices have to weighed in context and not on price alone. Additionally there is extended value in getting something from a trusted source. While you can certainly do your due diligence and check the rating of the ebay seller, you can't verify their supply chain or if their buying knock offs from the same factory. There is a great series of tear-downs that gives good overview of the kind over corners that these factories will take to make a $4 ebay item. http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html http://www.righto.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-apple-is.html -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 27 15:40:03 2013 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 01:40:03 +1000 (EST) Subject: More on tiny ARM-based PCs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Sep 2013, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Given all the recent interest in Pi's and Bones, I'm curious to know if > anyone in TLUG has a CuBox. It's more expensive than the others, but has > recently gone through a significant price drop. I am especially interested > to know if its architecture is considered more open than the Pi's, given > the number of ... issues ... that exist regarding its openness. One > intetresting thing about it, apparently, is that since its processor > (Marvell) supports the ARMv7 spec it is able to run Android and > conventional Linux (one report claims it can run KDE, not a small feat for > one of these tiny things). > > All reviews and analysis, good or bad, are welcome. I ran Debian on one of the original "reference implementation" SheevaPlugs for many years. The CPU was (iirc) a Marvell Kirkwood. While I didn't run a GUI it did serve me well running stateful filtering and as a VPN server. I only stopped using it when it died :) Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.pracops.com Director, Software in the Public Interest (http://spi-inc.org/) Information behaves like a gas -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 27 15:48:23 2013 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:48:23 -0400 Subject: More on tiny ARM-based PCs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5245A8C7.8070400@ss.org> On 09/27/2013 10:55 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Given all the recent interest in Pi's and Bones, I'm curious to know if > anyone in TLUG has a CuBox. It's more expensive than the others, but has > recently gone through a significant price drop. I am especially > interested to know if its architecture is considered more open than the > Pi's, given the number of ... issues ... that exist regarding its > openness. One intetresting thing about it, apparently, is that since its > processor (Marvell) supports the ARMv7 spec it is able to run Android > and conventional Linux (one report claims it can run KDE, not a small > feat for one of these tiny things). This is likely because they have announced their next generation Cubox-I products. Those are based on the much more modern IMX.6 SoCs. http://cubox-i.com/ -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 27 16:22:11 2013 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: HDMI to VGA adapter has arrived. In-Reply-To: References: <52434D7E.9020700@ss.org> <52434EDA.4070201@ss.org> Message-ID: | From: Evan Leibovitch | That's why I'm surprised that you dropped $20+shipping on an HDMI-to-VGA | adaptor: | http://www.ebay.com/itm/1080P-Chipset-HDMI-Male-to-VGA-Female-Video-Cable-Cord-Converter-Adapter-Black/310757053138 | | Maybe it might not have worked, but it was probably worth trying at the | price. It looks identical to the Newark one. Nice to know about that. But it's an auction. A bit of a waste of time (real-time, and brain time) for an inexpensive object. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 27 16:22:43 2013 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:22:43 -0400 Subject: More on tiny ARM-based PCs In-Reply-To: <5245A8C7.8070400-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <5245A8C7.8070400@ss.org> Message-ID: <5245B0D3.4030908@ss.org> On 09/27/2013 11:48 AM, Scott Sullivan wrote: > On 09/27/2013 10:55 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: >> Given all the recent interest in Pi's and Bones, I'm curious to know if >> anyone in TLUG has a CuBox. It's more expensive than the others, but has >> recently gone through a significant price drop. I am especially >> interested to know if its architecture is considered more open than the >> Pi's, given the number of ... issues ... that exist regarding its >> openness. One intetresting thing about it, apparently, is that since its >> processor (Marvell) supports the ARMv7 spec it is able to run Android >> and conventional Linux (one report claims it can run KDE, not a small >> feat for one of these tiny things). > > This is likely because they have announced their next generation Cubox-I > products. Those are based on the much more modern IMX.6 SoCs. > > http://cubox-i.com/ > Other Current Gen options, in no particular order. http://utilite-computer.com/web/utilite-models http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-58-mirabox-development-kit.aspx http://docs.cubieboard.org/doku.php#a20-cubieboard http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/main.php At the moment the utilite and ODROID (hardkernel.com) products have my interest. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 27 16:31:07 2013 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: References: <20130923201520.181870@gmx.com> Message-ID: | From: Evan Leibovitch Thanks for your useful and thoughtful posting. Really. Now, on to the quibbles. | The original gaps between tablets and dedicated ebook readers was price and | screen quality, and in both areas the gap has narrowed considerably. I have tablets and ereaders. I find that the Kobo Mini is useful: its battery life is an order of magnitude greater than any tablet, and that matters. It is also a lot slimmer than any tablet. That matters. I rarely carry a tablet out of the house. I often carry the Kobo Mini (it is smaller than a paperback and serves the same purpose). It is very convenient that I can share content between tablets and ereaders. Since the stuff is digital, that should be assumed, but DRM could get in the way. Kobo lets multiple devices use the same account and share the content (there is some limit, but I haven't hit it). Unfortunately, the Kobo software doesn't make it as easy for sideloaded content. | There is a reason why MP3 player sales are rapidly dying; phones can do | just as good a job, and can do other things as well. - old habits die hard. I use an MP3 player by habit. - batteries run out when you use a device. Flattening a phone battery for (unimportant) MP3 listening is a bad thing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 27 16:35:23 2013 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:35:23 -0400 Subject: HDMI to VGA adapter has arrived. In-Reply-To: References: <52434D7E.9020700@ss.org> <52434EDA.4070201@ss.org> Message-ID: On 27 September 2013 12:22, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > But it's an auction. A bit of a waste of time (real-time, and brain time) > for an inexpensive object. > Sorry bout that, No need for auction. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-Male-To-VGA-D-SUB-15-pins-Female-Video-AV-Adapter-Cable-For-HDTV-TV-PC-/121179789771 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The big difference to me is the mix of media. If all you're trying to do is replace a paperback, the e-reader will do the trick. But newer generations of ebooks are being built with embedded multimedia capabilties (there's good reason the ePub standard was updated to be based on HTML5). And current ereaders can't deal with that. Heck, most can't render the OLD ePub standard fully. Plus, the ability to carry out a video call on my tablet is just, IMO, too cool (Skype or Rogers1) > It is very convenient that I can share content between tablets > and ereaders. Since the stuff is digital, that should be assumed, but > DRM could get in the way. Kobo lets multiple devices use the same > account and share the content (there is some limit, but I haven't hit > it). Unfortunately, the Kobo software doesn't make it as easy > for sideloaded content. > Vendor lock-in (or at least their attempts to do so) is a deal breaker for me. Most of what i read is side-loaded. > - batteries run out when you use a device. Flattening a phone battery for > (unimportant) MP3 listening is a bad thing. > I thought battery would be a Big Deal in going from ereader to tablet but in fact it's not. My Nexus 7 goes for a week without needing a recharge. That an ereader can go a month between charges rather than a week is IMO a fairly dubious benefit. Audio playing, especially with the screen off, uses next to no juice. And even for a sighted person there is at least an occasional appeal from talking books. - Evan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 27 17:40:46 2013 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: HDMI to VGA adapter has arrived. In-Reply-To: References: <52434D7E.9020700@ss.org> <52434EDA.4070201@ss.org> Message-ID: | From: Evan Leibovitch | On 27 September 2013 12:22, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | Sorry bout that, No need for auction. | http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-Male-To-VGA-D-SUB-15-pins-Female-Video-AV-Adapter-Cable-For-HDTV-TV-PC-/121179789771 That's a remarkable price, with free shipping. I'm intrigued and might order one. Better to give an ebay.ca link, I think But I don't trust the device. The description seems fishy. - "Connecting Digital video and Digital Audio in one" and yet "Please be noted: this cable only support analog signal, not digital signal." - "Connecting Digital video and Digital Audio in one" and yet no connector is listed or shown for audio out (the VGA HD-15 connector "standard" does not include audio) - who knows how the subtleties of EDID or whatever are handled. The description is silent on this issue. - other posters have mentioned that the power load of some of these adapters is problematic. The description is silent on this issue. - it claims worldwide free shipping, but Luxembourg is excluded! Perhaps the thing is just a cable, with no active circuitry. It would then not work for the purpose we wish, but it might be useful to somebody. I know that seems far-fetched, but when I search alibabab.com for USB to SCSI converters, I get a lots of examples of things that are just (useless, I think) connector-but-not-signal converters. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 27 18:18:53 2013 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:18:53 -0400 Subject: HDMI to VGA adapter has arrived. In-Reply-To: References: <52434D7E.9020700@ss.org> <52434EDA.4070201@ss.org> Message-ID: <20130927181853.GA19643@node1.localdomain> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 01:40:46PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Evan Leibovitch > > | On 27 September 2013 12:22, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > | Sorry bout that, No need for auction. > | http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-Male-To-VGA-D-SUB-15-pins-Female-Video-AV-Adapter-Cable-For-HDTV-TV-PC-/121179789771 > > That's a remarkable price, with free shipping. I'm intrigued and > might order one. > > Better to give an ebay.ca link, I think > > > But I don't trust the device. The description seems fishy. > > - "Connecting Digital video and Digital Audio in one" and yet > "Please be noted: this cable only support analog signal, not digital signal." Right here, you know it's scam. How can you not support "digital signal" when going from HDMI (digital) to VGA (analog)? -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 27 19:12:21 2013 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:12:21 -0400 Subject: Raspberry Pi XBMC Distros reviewed on LifeHacker Message-ID: <5245D895.4090503@gmail.com> http://lifehacker.com/raspberry-pi-xbmc-solutions-compared-raspbmc-vs-openel-1394239600 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 27 19:15:03 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:15:03 -0400 Subject: More on tiny ARM-based PCs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130927191503.GT13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:55:02AM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Given all the recent interest in Pi's and Bones, I'm curious to know if > anyone in TLUG has a CuBox. It's more expensive than the others, but has > recently gone through a significant price drop. I am especially interested > to know if its architecture is considered more open than the Pi's, given > the number of ... issues ... that exist regarding its openness. One > intetresting thing about it, apparently, is that since its processor > (Marvell) supports the ARMv7 spec it is able to run Android and > conventional Linux (one report claims it can run KDE, not a small feat for > one of these tiny things). > > All reviews and analysis, good or bad, are welcome. I do have a cubox (the original marvell kind, not the new vastly superior freescale imx6 based one). The mainline kernel has decent support for it these days, except for a few small patches to do with audio, and more importantly, lack of working video drivers. Patches do exist to make video work but there seems to be multiple different implementations aiming for different things. I expect the newer model with the imx6 is in a much better state, given the wandboard, and new cubox all use the same CPU and freescale has been much better than marvell at getting things merged. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 27 19:30:12 2013 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:30:12 -0400 Subject: HDMI to VGA adapter has arrived. In-Reply-To: <20130927181853.GA19643-+21/tKCbORjP0Z7Jsv878P8+0UxHXcjY@public.gmane.org> References: <52434D7E.9020700@ss.org> <52434EDA.4070201@ss.org> <20130927181853.GA19643@node1.localdomain> Message-ID: <5245DCC4.4010906@gmail.com> On 27/09/13 02:18 PM, William Park wrote: > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 01:40:46PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> | From: Evan Leibovitch >> >> | On 27 September 2013 12:22, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> >> | Sorry bout that, No need for auction. >> | http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-Male-To-VGA-D-SUB-15-pins-Female-Video-AV-Adapter-Cable-For-HDTV-TV-PC-/121179789771 >> >> That's a remarkable price, with free shipping. I'm intrigued and >> might order one. >> >> Better to give an ebay.ca link, I think >> >> >> But I don't trust the device. The description seems fishy. >> >> - "Connecting Digital video and Digital Audio in one" and yet >> "Please be noted: this cable only support analog signal, not digital signal." > > Right here, you know it's scam. How can you not support "digital > signal" when going from HDMI (digital) to VGA (analog)? The writer could have meant that the signal output is analog, which, duh is obvious because VGA output is analog. If it can't support an HDMI signal well then it's a scam. This is why Hugh calls the description fishy. My guess is this is an holdover from a description of a DVI adapter. DVI is a weird standard in that there is DVI-A DVI-D and DVI-I. Respectively that means cables that can carry an analog, digital or both (the I here stands for Integrated). Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 27 19:59:10 2013 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:59:10 -0400 Subject: HDMI to VGA adapter has arrived. In-Reply-To: References: <52434D7E.9020700@ss.org> <52434EDA.4070201@ss.org> Message-ID: <5245E38E.20704@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > - "Connecting Digital video and Digital Audio in one" and yet > "Please be noted: this cable only support analog signal, not digital signal." Some DVI ports provide both analog and digital signals. Those adapters take the analog signal from the DVI port can connect it to the VGA connector. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 27 20:11:07 2013 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:11:07 -0400 Subject: HDMI to VGA adapter has arrived. In-Reply-To: <20130927181853.GA19643-+21/tKCbORjP0Z7Jsv878P8+0UxHXcjY@public.gmane.org> References: <52434D7E.9020700@ss.org> <52434EDA.4070201@ss.org> <20130927181853.GA19643@node1.localdomain> Message-ID: <5245E65B.9050701@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > Right here, you know it's scam. How can you not support "digital > signal" when going from HDMI (digital) to VGA (analog)? DVI supports analog as well as digital. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 28 00:56:43 2013 From: mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org (Molly Tournquist) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:56:43 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders Message-ID: <20130928005644.215770@gmx.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Evan Leibovitch > Sent: 09/27/13 10:45 AM > The e-ink monochrome screens of the dedicated readers were > nice, but not longer sufficiently good to compensate for the lack of > flexibility. But they're better than they were before. We're no longer talking about the likes of Kindle DX screens, which were huge, expensive and still not all that high res. If the low hassle of compact ereaders must not matter, it seems sensible for them to be getting generous boosts of resolution. Not that it would really matter, if technical issues and hacks were alike across the line, it would be a question of the soft point on the price curve. But that might just be what they'd want to do, high res to optimize them heavily for textbooks. Maybe even make them bichromatic. > I now > find the low prices of dedicated ebook readers the result of subsidy in > return for locking you (or at least heavily steering you) towards the > hardware makers' bookstore. Subsidised platforms are a thoroughly accepted story, but how well does it actually work? > Both ePub and PDFs allow for their documents to contain embedded Internet > links; these are generally useless in a dedicated eBook reader whose > browser is either horrid or non-existent. It's hard to see how this fits in the whole context. It seems quite feasible for this to be handled by a freely tweaked open platform ereader(or even a device in between an ereader and an audio player). For example, by having a program that, while packing the ereader, fetches and converts the linked pages and even adjust them to a friendlier arrangement. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lennart Sorensen > Sent: 09/19/13 12:19 PM > The audio part is really really pointless. In fact sony dropped audio > support from their newer models because an ereader makes a lousy mp3 > player and it is a waste of the ereaders battery. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Evan Leibovitch > Sent: 09/27/13 12:56 PM > Audio playing, especially with the screen off, uses next to no juice. And > even for a sighted person there is at least an occasional appeal from > talking books. Now this is looking a little confusing. > If all you're trying to do is > replace a paperback, the e-reader will do the trick. But newer generations > of ebooks are being built with embedded multimedia capabilties (there's > good reason the ePub standard was updated to be based on HTML5). And > current ereaders can't deal with that. Hopefully they're not talking about hooking the ereader up to a CD rom drive. Sounds very weird that they would still pitch it with a word like multimedia. That's already been plausible, and likely even interesting: take an abridged audiobook, stick the missing parts back in. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 28 02:07:19 2013 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:07:19 -0400 Subject: More on tiny ARM-based PCs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <524639D7.6010509@gmail.com> On 13-09-27 10:55 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > I am especially interested to know if its architecture is considered > more open than the Pi's, given the number of ... issues ... that > exist regarding its openness. I have real trouble seeing the problem with the Raspberry Pi's openness. If the firmware had be burnt into unchangeable ROM, it would have been considered "open", but the fact that it's loaded as a blob appears to be the problem. For this reason, I find some free software policies difficult to explain to potential users. My old Sheevaplug has been doing sterling duty as a music server since 2009. I planned to replace it with a Raspberry Pi almost a year ago, but people have monkeyed with the music server backend I rely on (mt-daapd), "refactoring" the reliable but ugly code so that most of the useful features have gone, and the whole thing is painfully slow on my 34,000+ track database. cheers, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 28 17:09:37 2013 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:09:37 -0400 Subject: HDMI to VGA adapter has arrived. In-Reply-To: <5245E65B.9050701-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <52434D7E.9020700@ss.org> <52434EDA.4070201@ss.org> <20130927181853.GA19643@node1.localdomain> <5245E65B.9050701@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 27 September 2013 16:11, James Knott wrote: > William Park wrote: > > Right here, you know it's scam. How can you not support "digital > > signal" when going from HDMI (digital) to VGA (analog)? > > DVI supports analog as well as digital. > Does the Pi DVI output both? This gets to the core of the cheap adapter's suitability to task. In any case, I found something else that explicitly references converting the Pi's output to VGA: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HDMI-to-VGA-ADAPTER-FOR-Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-Pi-VIEW-XBMC-TV-/161087725816 At $13.50 that's not as big a gap from the $20 Newark piece as the analog-only gear, but that gap narrows when you consider that: - Shipping is included - Canada Post does not assess or collect HST on packages of less than $20 declared value So it works out to about half-price if you have the patience to wait the 3-4 weeks it takes for airmail from China. - Evan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 28 17:38:03 2013 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:38:03 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders In-Reply-To: <20130928005644.215770-KK0ffGbhmjU@public.gmane.org> References: <20130928005644.215770@gmx.com> Message-ID: On 27 September 2013 20:56, Molly Tournquist wrote: > But they're better than they were before. We're no longer talking about > the likes of Kindle DX screens, which were huge, expensive and still not > all that high res. If the low hassle of compact ereaders must not matter, > it seems sensible for them to be getting generous boosts of resolution. Not > that it would really matter, if technical issues and hacks were alike > across the line, it would be a question of the soft point on the price > curve. But that might just be what they'd want to do, high res to optimize > them heavily for textbooks. Maybe even make them bichromatic. > Not sure what your point is. Resolution of small tablets has been increasing faster than that on ereaders, where there is much more competition. The nexus 7 -- available now -- has exactly the same resolution as the yet-to-ship Kindle HDX and well more than the Fire available now. > > Both ePub and PDFs allow for their documents to contain embedded Internet > > links; these are generally useless in a dedicated eBook reader whose > > browser is either horrid or non-existent. > It's hard to see how this fits in the whole context. It seems quite > feasible for this to be handled by a freely tweaked open platform > ereader(or even a device in between an ereader and an audio player). For > example, by having a program that, while packing the ereader, fetches and > converts the linked pages and even adjust them to a friendlier arrangement. > The moment you add "heavily tweaked", it's nearly impossible to do comparisons. The stock experience -- and especially the one provided by a vendor relying on bookstore-lock-in -- is what needs to be compared. The Kindle has deliberately eliminated much of the flexibility of the standard Android experience, extending to the ability to render rich-media ebooks. > > Audio playing, especially with the screen off, uses next to no juice. And > > even for a sighted person there is at least an occasional appeal from > > talking books. > > Now this is looking a little confusing. > Why? Audio and video capability matters, especially if you don't want to be carrying multiple devices. I want a single device that is equally capable of video, audio and high-resolution book rendering, and that allows a choice of media providers as well as side-loading that which I bring myself. Dropbox, Google Drive and similar cloud storage needs to be supported. > > > If all you're trying to do is > > replace a paperback, the e-reader will do the trick. But newer > generations > > of ebooks are being built with embedded multimedia capabilties (there's > > good reason the ePub standard was updated to be based on HTML5). And > > current ereaders can't deal with that. > > Hopefully they're not talking about hooking the ereader up to a CD rom > drive. Honestly I have zero idea how you interpreted that from my answer. > Sounds very weird that they would still pitch it with a word like > multimedia. That was *my* choice of words, using a term that has meaning to non-geeks and is well understood. It simply refers to the fact that what we now know as books will gradually be released from the constraints of paper, and that means that dedicated ereaders will need to keep up (and eventually fail) That you find this observation weird changes neither its suitability, nor its inevitability. The ereader is the MP3 player of this generation, with a heyday (now passed) and then a fall. Just like MP3 players, they will inevitably give way to multifunction devices except in niche situations. The only difference here is that MP3 players were never subsidized by music sellers; that may buy some time for ereaders but won't prevent their demise. - Evan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 28 19:56:52 2013 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:56:52 -0400 Subject: HDMI vs DVI vs VGA In-Reply-To: References: <52434D7E.9020700@ss.org> <52434EDA.4070201@ss.org> <20130927181853.GA19643@node1.localdomain> <5245E65B.9050701@rogers.com> Message-ID: <52473484.9050702@ss.org> On 09/28/2013 01:09 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > On 27 September 2013 16:11, James Knott > wrote: > > William Park wrote: > > Right here, you know it's scam. How can you not support "digital > > signal" when going from HDMI (digital) to VGA (analog)? > > DVI supports analog as well as digital. > > Does the Pi DVI output both? This gets to the core of the cheap > adapter's suitability to task. Just a breakdown on a nuances here. VGA DVI-A DVI-I DVI-D HDMI \___1___/ \____3___/ \__2__/ 1) Analog - DVI-A is VGA on a DVI connector 2) Both - Analog and Digital on the same connector, different Pins. 3) Digital - DVI-D and HDMI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface#Connector Of note here is that the HDMI spec is electrically (current and voltages) compatible with the DVI, but the actual protocols are different. The choice was made that DVI-D would be included in the HDMI spec to allow greater compatibility. These means that all HDMI devices will actually completely change their signalling to be a DVI-D output when they detect a DVI-D device connected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Compatibility_with_DVI DVI-I/A -> VGA = Passive adapter, signalling is analog VGA HDMI -> DVI-D = Passive adapter, digital signalling with a spec mandated personality change. HMDI / DVI-D -> VGA / DVI-A = Active Adapter required. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 28 21:32:38 2013 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:32:38 -0400 Subject: dm-raid and resizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52474AF6.6030507@ve3syb.ca> On 13-09-13 01:26 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I recently upgraded a couple of RAID 2TB drives to some 3TB drives using the > format > Shutdown, pull old drive 1, start degraded > Add new drive 1 to RAID, wait for sync/rebuild > Shutdown, pull old drive 2, add new drive 2 to RAID, wait for sync/rebuild [snip] > However, for whatever reason, I can't grow to the full partition size. [snip] > Any ideas why it won't use the full capacity? That's an interesting approach to upgrading the drives. I hadn't thought of that. I have a pair of 250G drives that are close to capacity. I bought some 1TB drives to replace my current drives. Have other people tried this approach for moving to bigger drives in a RAID 1 configuration? Is it possible to use gparted to change the partition sizes after rebuild process or does it clone information that makes the system think the new drives are only as large as the original drives? -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 29 00:50:20 2013 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 20:50:20 -0400 Subject: Is FTPsync my Best Solution Message-ID: <5247794C.60508@rogers.com> I am looking for a tool to update my hosted (Hostpopa) web site. I like rsync for local stuff and found FTPsync using Google. But this is not Ubuntu supported. Since I am not in a hurry, I thought I would pause and solicite opinions/advice. I anticipate the site to grow to hundreds of pages, and many images linked on the pages. 1) I compose and test on my local system 2) I want to, as simply as possible, update the host site. I welcome comments about FTPsync experience as well as suggestions for alternate tools I might consider. Thank you! -- Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 29 01:03:52 2013 From: aruna.hewapathirane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aruna Hewapathirane) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 21:03:52 -0400 Subject: Is FTPsync my Best Solution In-Reply-To: <5247794C.60508-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <5247794C.60508@rogers.com> Message-ID: Give FileZilla a test run you will not be disappointed. I have been using FileZilla for many long years and can recommend highly. But then this is a personal preference as there are so many tools out there but in terms of features and ease of use and initial setting up FileZilla beats them hands down. Have a look here: https://wiki.filezilla -project.org/Using#Synchronized_Browsing On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Stephen wrote: > I am looking for a tool to update my hosted (Hostpopa) web site. I like > rsync for local stuff and found FTPsync using Google. > > But this is not Ubuntu supported. Since I am not in a hurry, I thought I > would pause and solicite opinions/advice. > > I anticipate the site to grow to hundreds of pages, and many images linked > on the pages. > > 1) I compose and test on my local system > 2) I want to, as simply as possible, update the host site. > > I welcome comments about FTPsync experience as well as suggestions for > alternate tools I might consider. > > Thank you! > > -- > Stephen > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/**Mailing_lists > -- *Aruna Hewapathirane* Consultant/Trainer Phone : 647-709-9269 Website: Open Source Solutions -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 29 01:25:12 2013 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 21:25:12 -0400 Subject: Is FTPsync my Best Solution In-Reply-To: <5247794C.60508-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <5247794C.60508@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20130929012512.GA113263@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> What does not Ubuntu supported mean? File transfers typically use SSH or FTP, and sometimes WebDAV. Which ones does your provider support? -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 29 07:06:51 2013 From: mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org (Molly Tournquist) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 03:06:51 -0400 Subject: Interested in ereaders Message-ID: <20130929070652.215760@gmx.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Evan Leibovitch > Sent: 09/28/13 01:38 PM > Not sure what your point is. > > Resolution of small tablets has been increasing faster than that on > ereaders, where there is much more competition. > The nexus 7 -- available now -- has exactly the same resolution as the > yet-to-ship Kindle HDX and well more than the Fire available now. The kindle fire is a tablet, merely one with ereader branding, so a meaningful technical juxtaposition of it would be with something like the afforementioned Kobo Aura HD, which still has a higher resolution. The extreme resolution of tablets is looking a bit over the top, much like the miniaturization of mp3 players mentioned earlier. First and foremost, a certain amount is adequate for a certain use, chasing past that further and further doesn't imply a very clear result. > The moment you add "heavily tweaked", it's nearly impossible to do > comparisons. The stock experience -- and especially the one provided by a > vendor relying on bookstore-lock-in -- is what needs to be compared. The > Kindle has deliberately eliminated much of the flexibility of the standard > Android experience, extending to the ability to render rich-media ebooks. Heavily tweaked would be relative to the current notion of ereaders. A replacement firmware could tend to be heavily tweaked, yet it also tend to be very easy to set up. I think you could compare it to lots of things, you could compare it to the HP touchpad, to tablets with Allwiner A10 chips, and so on, if the point is to consider the potential of the type of platform. > > > Audio playing, especially with the screen off, uses next to no juice. And > > > even for a sighted person there is at least an occasional appeal from > > > talking books. > > > > > Now this is looking a little confusing. > > > > Why? Of course it becomes nonsensical with the quote beside it removed: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lennart Sorensen > Sent: 09/19/13 12:19 PM > The audio part is really really pointless. In fact sony dropped audio > support from their newer models because an ereader makes a lousy mp3 > player and it is a waste of the ereaders battery. > Audio and video capability matters, especially if you don't want to be > carrying multiple devices. I want a single device that is equally capable > of video, audio and high-resolution book rendering, and that allows a > choice of media providers as well as side-loading that which I bring > myself. Dropbox, Google Drive and similar cloud storage needs to be > supported. >From that angle, games matter, facebook really matters, along with every other dubious gimmick that can be crammed in. How would an open ereader would be incompatible with sideloaded content? > > Hopefully they're not talking about hooking the ereader up to a CD rom > > drive. > > > Honestly I have zero idea how you interpreted that from my answer. It was tongue in cheek. But it does sound eerily reminiscent of how it was with multimedia kits, when they were so eager to integrate or just intersperse prerendered video and the like with products to justify the medium at a time when it was not dramatically useful. > > Sounds very weird that they would still pitch it with a word like > > multimedia. > > That was *my* choice of words, using a term that has meaning to non-geeks > and is well understood. It simply refers to the fact that what we now know > as books will gradually be released from the constraints of paper, and that > means that dedicated ereaders will need to keep up (and eventually fail) So basically you're talking about the gradual extinction of books? If you need to stick with words friendly to to the average consumer, you could also say that this will be making books a lot more like powerpoint presentations. But they've still released multiplatform products, and the version with the whole load of bells and whistles certainly isn't automatically the successful one. > That you find this observation weird changes neither its suitability, nor > its inevitability. The ereader is the MP3 player of this generation, with a > heyday (now passed) and then a fall. Just like MP3 players, they will > inevitably give way to multifunction devices except in niche situations. > The only difference here is that MP3 players were never subsidized by music > sellers; that may buy some time for ereaders but won't prevent their demise. I think one much more closely relevant difference is that mp3 players didn't have any manufacturer support for open source or standards, except for the bit with sandisk proclaiming a desire for it. And that they were only trying to add video, since it was already an audio device. That and it's by nature a much more serious and purposeful device than a mini hard drive gadget made especially for listening to music(and potentially video too) ... of course, unless the mp3 player user happened to be an aspiring music industry participant. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 29 14:59:21 2013 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:59:21 -0400 Subject: Fwd: GTALug Annual General Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A slightly edited / rehashed version of a past AGM announcement... The October 8th 2013 GTALug meeting will be our annual general meeting. At this meeting we will be having board elections for three of the five board member seats. As per the current board decision, I will be running the board elections. Anyone interested in becoming a board member should note that there are four legal requirements to becoming a board member : a) You must consent to becoming a board member b) You must be age 18 or older c) You must have the power under law to enter a contract d) You can NOT be an undischarged bankrupt The procedure at the next meeting will be: - A report on the current finances of the group - Anyone interested in paying for a GTALug membership will be given the opportunity to do so at this point. - A call for nominations from the floor. If you can not attend the meeting make sure that you have a person who will act as your proxy at the meeting with a signed letter stating your wish to become a board member (so we can confirm point (a) above.). - After nominations close, if there are more than three nominees, then each candidate will be asked to give a short statement (under 2 minutes long) as to why they should be elected to the board. If you can not attend the meeting and are running, your proxy will be asked to read a prepared (under 2 minutes long) statement regarding why you should be elected. - Ballots will then be distributed to all paid up members of GTALug - Ballots will be collected and counting will start - Our speaker(s) will give their talk or presentation - If there is a tie vote, as did occur in 2012, then a second vote will be held, and if necessary additional votes held until the tie is resolved. - At the end of the meeting, the results will be announced and the new board will be introduced Questions and points that have been raised in the past include: - Canadian Citizenship is NOT required to become a GTALug board member. - The board selects its' own officers (ie: who will be GTALug's Treasurer, Secretary, etc.) will be decided by the next board. I would be happy to answer any other questions that come up, with the following understandings: - With the possible exception noted below I currently plan repeat any questions I get (without naming the questioner) and my answer to main GTALug discussion mailing list. - I will not repeat any question just aimed at being derogatory to any single (or group of) candidate(s). Thanks. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 29 15:23:34 2013 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:23:34 -0400 Subject: Another user group... Message-ID: At last weekend's Mini-Maker Fair I head about the "Toronto 3D Printer" group. This is an OS agnostic group that meets on the LAST Monday of each month (next meeting will be September 30th) near Bloor and Ossington, details to be seen here: http://www.toronto3dprinters.com/ Barring something strange happening, I plan to be there... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 30 03:23:35 2013 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 23:23:35 -0400 Subject: Raspberry Pi XBMC Distros reviewed on LifeHacker In-Reply-To: <5245D895.4090503-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <5245D895.4090503@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the pointer! 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URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 30 14:31:50 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:31:50 -0400 Subject: dm-raid and resizing In-Reply-To: <52474AF6.6030507-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <52474AF6.6030507@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20130930143150.GU13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 05:32:38PM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: > On 13-09-13 01:26 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > >I recently upgraded a couple of RAID 2TB drives to some 3TB drives using the > >format > >Shutdown, pull old drive 1, start degraded > >Add new drive 1 to RAID, wait for sync/rebuild > >Shutdown, pull old drive 2, add new drive 2 to RAID, wait for sync/rebuild > [snip] > >However, for whatever reason, I can't grow to the full partition size. > [snip] > >Any ideas why it won't use the full capacity? > > That's an interesting approach to upgrading the drives. I hadn't > thought of that. I have a pair of 250G drives that are close to > capacity. I bought some > 1TB drives to replace my current drives. > > Have other people tried this approach for moving to bigger drives in > a RAID 1 configuration? Is it possible to use gparted to change the > partition sizes after rebuild process or does it clone information > that makes the system think the new drives are only as large as the > original drives? Well there are 3 types of md raid superblock. Some put the superblock at the end, some at the begining, and some at 4k from the begining. I believe the one that is at the end causes a hassle when you want to resize the device. The other two are simple to deal with. The one at the end has the advantage that you can mount a single device from a raid 1 without needing any md raid knowledge since the data is all where it would be expected to be. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 30 15:13:34 2013 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:13:34 -0400 Subject: file checksum? Message-ID: <20130930151334.GA5922@node1.localdomain> Hi, I would like to do some kind of "checksum" on files (full or partial content) in order to catch unwanted changes (accidental or malicious). How would you do it? So far, I found - MD/SHA digests from OpenSSL -- I'm worried about speed, and being dependent on yet another library. - crypt() from glibc -- It can do MD5/SHA, but it has to be a single string. It can't do multiple strings. Is there user-callable CRC routines in glibc? Curiously, I can't find one, even though I'm told that TCP stack uses it internally. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From wwitteman-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 30 15:37:27 2013 From: wwitteman-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Witteman) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:37:27 -0400 Subject: file checksum? In-Reply-To: <20130930151334.GA5922-+21/tKCbORjP0Z7Jsv878P8+0UxHXcjY@public.gmane.org> References: <20130930151334.GA5922@node1.localdomain> Message-ID: On 30 September 2013 11:13, William Park wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to do some kind of "checksum" on files (full or partial > content) in order to catch unwanted changes (accidental or malicious). > How would you do it? I would go find the source-code for tripwire, see what they use as a starting point. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 30 15:39:24 2013 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:39:24 -0400 Subject: file checksum? In-Reply-To: <20130930151334.GA5922-+21/tKCbORjP0Z7Jsv878P8+0UxHXcjY@public.gmane.org> References: <20130930151334.GA5922@node1.localdomain> Message-ID: I would say that md5sum is the standard way to checksum a file .. I was in charge of the build process at my last contract, and new versions of code were delivered nightly to the internal ftp site as ISOs (in various flavours) and their md5sums. It's very quick to check an md5sum -- just run md5sum -c *.md5 in the directory where you have the binaries and the md5sums (as ${filename}.md5), and it will quickly return a Go/NoGo result. Alex Beamish On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:13 AM, William Park wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to do some kind of "checksum" on files (full or partial > content) in order to catch unwanted changes (accidental or malicious). > How would you do it? > > So far, I found > - MD/SHA digests from OpenSSL -- I'm worried about speed, and being > dependent on yet another library. > - crypt() from glibc -- It can do MD5/SHA, but it has to be a single > string. It can't do multiple strings. > > Is there user-callable CRC routines in glibc? Curiously, I can't find > one, even though I'm told that TCP stack uses it internally. > -- > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Alex Beamish Toronto, Ontario aka talexb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 30 15:40:56 2013 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:40:56 -0400 Subject: file checksum? In-Reply-To: <20130930151334.GA5922-+21/tKCbORjP0Z7Jsv878P8+0UxHXcjY@public.gmane.org> References: <20130930151334.GA5922@node1.localdomain> Message-ID: <20130930154056.GV13099@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:13:34AM -0400, William Park wrote: > I would like to do some kind of "checksum" on files (full or partial > content) in order to catch unwanted changes (accidental or malicious). > How would you do it? > > So far, I found > - MD/SHA digests from OpenSSL -- I'm worried about speed, and being > dependent on yet another library. > - crypt() from glibc -- It can do MD5/SHA, but it has to be a single > string. It can't do multiple strings. > > Is there user-callable CRC routines in glibc? Curiously, I can't find > one, even though I'm told that TCP stack uses it internally. New hashes come out, so something that changes often like libssl is probably a better place to put them than the system's libc. Also libssl is a heavy user of them. So as far as I know, libssl is your best bet for getting access to lots of hash functions. Of course programs like md5sum, just have their own implementation. Also lots of perl modules seem to exist for various hashes. Certainly 'shasum' on my system is a perl script. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 30 15:44:31 2013 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:44:31 -0400 Subject: file checksum? In-Reply-To: <20130930151334.GA5922-+21/tKCbORjP0Z7Jsv878P8+0UxHXcjY@public.gmane.org> References: <20130930151334.GA5922@node1.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:13 AM, William Park wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to do some kind of "checksum" on files (full or partial > content) in order to catch unwanted changes (accidental or malicious). > How would you do it? > > So far, I found > - MD/SHA digests from OpenSSL -- I'm worried about speed, and being > dependent on yet another library. > - crypt() from glibc -- It can do MD5/SHA, but it has to be a single > string. It can't do multiple strings. > > Is there user-callable CRC routines in glibc? Curiously, I can't find > one, even though I'm told that TCP stack uses it internally. Well, it's logical that something used in the TCP/IP stack would NOT be a dependency from GLIBC, as the kernel can't depend on GLIBC. Note that tripwire is a mature system for doing this sort of thing; it's sufficiently mature that its mechanisms have been adopted by other tools too (cfengine, AIDE). I'd be much more inclined to use some existing implementation (tripwire, AIDE, cfengine) over "rolling my own", as others have already struggled through debugging and odd bits of semantics. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 30 16:23:58 2013 From: thoriumbr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mauro Souza) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 13:23:58 -0300 Subject: Is FTPsync my Best Solution In-Reply-To: <20130929012512.GA113263-ajb9/b42oWj7qFZT6RBq9oSPOIov7LNK@public.gmane.org> References: <5247794C.60508@rogers.com> <20130929012512.GA113263@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: I guess "not Ubuntu supported" means you cannot simply "apt-get install ftpsync" it. And last time I checked (5 seconds ago) it was offline at savannah.gnu.org. I always used rsync over ssh to sync my folders. I do some webdesign on my part-time, and have some ten thousand files to sync here and there. And rsync always worked. I even created a script that I run (client-sync) every time I change something, and it takes care of connecting to the right server, and sync the right dir. Mauro http://mauro.limeiratem.com - registered Linux User: 294521 Scripture is both history, and a love letter from God. 2013/9/28 Neil Watson > What does not Ubuntu supported mean? File transfers typically use SSH > or FTP, and sometimes WebDAV. Which ones does your provider support? > -- > Neil Watson > Linux/UNIX Consultant > http://watson-wilson.ca > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/**Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And last time I checked (5 seconds ago) it was offline at > savannah.gnu.org. > I always used rsync over ssh to sync my folders. I do some webdesign on my > part-time, and have some ten thousand files to sync here and there. And > rsync always worked. I even created a script that I run (client-sync) every > time I change something, and it takes care of connecting to the right > server, and sync the right dir. > > Mauro > http://mauro.limeiratem.com - registered Linux User: 294521 > Scripture is both history, and a love letter from God. > > > 2013/9/28 Neil Watson > >> What does not Ubuntu supported mean? File transfers typically use SSH >> or FTP, and sometimes WebDAV. Which ones does your provider support? >> -- >> Neil Watson >> Linux/UNIX Consultant >> http://watson-wilson.ca >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/**Mailing_lists >> > > -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gstrom57-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 30 19:52:19 2013 From: gstrom57-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 15:52:19 -0400 Subject: A Brief History of Open-Source Code [Infographic] Message-ID: <20130930155219.45bb1774@herring_sucker.example.org> This infographic might be of interest to programmers, although I realize this could start another "when I was a tadpole working alongside Ada Lovelace" one-up contest. ;-> http://www.kinvey.com/blog/3242/a-brief-history-of-open-source-code-infographic -- Glen Strom gstrom57-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 30 19:53:42 2013 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 15:53:42 -0400 Subject: file checksum? In-Reply-To: References: <20130930151334.GA5922@node1.localdomain> Message-ID: <20130930195342.GA30019@node1.localdomain> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:44:31AM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:13 AM, William Park wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I would like to do some kind of "checksum" on files (full or partial > > content) in order to catch unwanted changes (accidental or malicious). > > How would you do it? >... > I'd be much more inclined to use some existing implementation > (tripwire, AIDE, cfengine) over "rolling my own", as others have > already struggled through debugging and odd bits of semantics. Actually, I need to roll my own. When data is written to file and read back later, if it's not the same data that I started with, then I want to know. I just found "mhash" package on my Slackware machine, which is not found on other distros. Strange, because it's usually the other way around. It may be moot point, though, because I also found that "cksum" is slower than "md5sum". -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 30 21:10:03 2013 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:10:03 -0400 Subject: file checksum? In-Reply-To: <20130930151334.GA5922-+21/tKCbORjP0Z7Jsv878P8+0UxHXcjY@public.gmane.org> References: <20130930151334.GA5922@node1.localdomain> Message-ID: <20130930211003.GA95438@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> You can do 'tripwire' scanning with CFEngine. If you have 25 or less hosts you can even use the Enterprise version, for free, which has a central reporting application. https://cfengine.com/archive/manuals/st-scan http://cfengine.com/evaluate-enterprise -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 30 21:59:40 2013 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:59:40 -0400 Subject: A Brief History of Open-Source Code [Infographic] In-Reply-To: <20130930155219.45bb1774@herring_sucker.example.org> References: <20130930155219.45bb1774@herring_sucker.example.org> Message-ID: <5249F44C.9060300@ve3syb.ca> On 13-09-30 03:52 PM, Glen Strom wrote: > http://www.kinvey.com/blog/3242/a-brief-history-of-open-source-code-infographic The graph refers to coding languages and include HTML, CSS, and XML in the list. They must use a broader form of "coding" as I think of that term more for creation of programs that do things. The main reason they are included seems to be based on the number of commits where these things were used. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 30 22:03:15 2013 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:03:15 -0400 Subject: Is FTPsync my Best Solution In-Reply-To: References: <5247794C.60508@rogers.com> <20130929012512.GA113263@ettin.watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: > I guess "not Ubuntu supported" means you cannot simply "apt-get install ftpsync" it. And last time I checked (5 seconds ago) it was offline at savannah.gnu.org. > I always used rsync over ssh to sync my folders. I do some webdesign on my part-time, and have some ten thousand files to sync here and there. And rsync always worked. I even created a script that I run (client-sync) every time I change something, and it takes care of connecting to the right server, and sync the right dir Second that. Rsync is far better as its scriptable and secure. Ah and the differential updates William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: