Fedora-18 -- how to install?

Bob Jonkman bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org
Tue Mar 5 17:34:28 UTC 2013


I read every message in the TLUG list.  As I read and delete each
message, it is far better to have the new content at the top, where it
is immediately visible.  I've already read the quoted reply text
contained in the current message (because I just finished reading the
previous message), so there's no need to repeat it to provide context. 
But keeping that quoted reply text is still important in case I want to
save that message independently of the message thread, so don't just
reply with an otherwise blank message, but keep the previous
conversation below your reply.

Bottom posting is especially obnoxious for people who use screen
readers.  They can't just visually skip over the previous reply text,
they have to sit through an entire recitation, even when they've just
heard it in the previous message. Yes, there's "skip to end", but that's
prone to missing interspersed replies.

Interspersing your replies with the previous message is useful if you're
replying to only a small portion of the previous message. In that case,
copy the portion of the message you're replying to at the top of your
message, write your reply below it, and then keep the entire original
message below that,
possibly with duplicated portions.

In today's world the argument of wasting bandwidth by including the
orginal message is no longer valid.  Have a look at the raw, unformatted
message -- I'll bet the message headers (with list headers, anti-spam
headers, DKIM headers, and the chain of received headers) is often
larger than the content of the message.  And anyone who's ever listened
to a podcast or watched a YouTube video has plenty of bandwidth, and no
cause to complain about using few extra KB to include the full reply text.

And finally, I just want to voice the observation that all the
complaints I ever see about top posting vs. bottom posting are
invariably started by bottom-posters complaining about top posting. 
People who top-post never complain about the bottom-posters or
interspersers.  Why is that?

--Bob.



On 13-03-05 11:03 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 10:32:37AM -0500, William Park wrote:
>> Actually, top posting is useful when you're replying to the whole email,
>> containing disorganized rambling points spread over entire email body.
>> Also, top posting is better when you want to record of the entire
>> conversation.  You just have to know when to cut the quoting and start
>> afresh.
> The entire conversation in reverse order.  It never has been very
> readable, and always becomes very unclear as soon as it is a reply to
> anything discussing multiple things.  How do you tell what parts you
> are replying to?
>
> You can save the entire conversation by never deleting anything and just
> quoting every time.  That is readable, and maintains order, and makes
> it clear what you are replying to inline.
>
> Of course most people don't want to have the entire conversation repeated
> in every email.
>


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