Dave's messages [was: Re: Avoiding flag days (was: Views from an Red Hat -> Ubuntu -> Fedora migrator)]
Giles Orr
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Mon Oct 22 22:04:58 UTC 2012
On 22 October 2012 17:23, D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> wrote:
> I got this message from David directly. I did not get it through the tlug
> mail server, and I should have.
>
> In fact, I have not received a single message from davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org or
> davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org through the tlug list. But I have seen messages that
> were replies to his posts (September 11, September 24, October 12).
>
> I also don't see them in the list archive
> <http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.tolug/>
>
> I've looked in my SPAM traps and find no evidence of at least the recent
> message.
>
> Clearly SOME people are seeing Dave's posts. What's up?
>
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> | Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:44:44 -0400
> | From: David Collier-Brown <davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org>
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> | Subject: Avoiding flag days (was: Views from an Red Hat -> Ubuntu -> Fedora
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> | On 10/22/2012 03:32 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> |
> | > I like the idea of a rolling release. I'm not sure why that isn't the
> | > norm.
> | >
> | > Perhaps because certain changes have cascading effects, ones that
> | > almost require a "flag day".
> | >
> | > - "a major transition (perl 5.12 to 5.14 for example)"
> | >
> | > - switching to NetworkManager "without a net" (pun intended).
> | >
> | > - switching to systemd
> | >
> | > Could all those be reasonably captured in accurate dependencies? I'd hope
> | > so. But capturing dependencies outside the distro (eg. in users own code
> | > or practice) isn't as easy.
> | >
> | > Perhaps because users are not ready for continuous change if it has
> | > observable effects. Maybe they like punctuated equilibrium
> | > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium>
> |
> |
> | It isn't *quite* a flag day, but it it a genuinely difficult set of
> | dependencies, with the risk of circularity.
> |
> | Multics did a continuous rolling release, described in the Paul Stachour
> | paper on versioning, and their and the ARPAnet's versioning did allow
> | one to break out of circular dependencies.
> |
> | But that's getting exceedingly off-topic (:-))
> |
> | --dave
> |
> | --
> | David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify
> | System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest
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I didn't even know Dave was on this list. I didn't receive the
original of this message, and the last message I saw from him directly
was from a lexis-nexis account in 2010. But a search of tlug mails
finds several references to "David Collier-Brown wrote ..." but no
originals to accompany those. If gmail is filtering him as spam for
some bizarre reason, it's deeply embedded - they don't show up in the
spam/trash.
So yeah, there appears to be something wrong.
--
Giles
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