Dave's messages [was: Re: Avoiding flag days (was: Views from an Red Hat -> Ubuntu -> Fedora migrator)]
D. Hugh Redelmeier
hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org
Mon Oct 22 21:23:03 UTC 2012
I got this message from David directly. I did not get it through the tlug
mail server, and I should have.
In fact, I have not received a single message from davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org or
davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org through the tlug list. But I have seen messages that
were replies to his posts (September 11, September 24, October 12).
I also don't see them in the list archive
<http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.tolug/>
I've looked in my SPAM traps and find no evidence of at least the recent
message.
Clearly SOME people are seeing Dave's posts. What's up?
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| From: David Collier-Brown <davec-b-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org>
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| Subject: Avoiding flag days (was: Views from an Red Hat -> Ubuntu -> Fedora
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| On 10/22/2012 03:32 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
|
| > I like the idea of a rolling release. I'm not sure why that isn't the
| > norm.
| >
| > Perhaps because certain changes have cascading effects, ones that
| > almost require a "flag day".
| >
| > - "a major transition (perl 5.12 to 5.14 for example)"
| >
| > - switching to NetworkManager "without a net" (pun intended).
| >
| > - switching to systemd
| >
| > Could all those be reasonably captured in accurate dependencies? I'd hope
| > so. But capturing dependencies outside the distro (eg. in users own code
| > or practice) isn't as easy.
| >
| > Perhaps because users are not ready for continuous change if it has
| > observable effects. Maybe they like punctuated equilibrium
| > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium>
|
|
| It isn't *quite* a flag day, but it it a genuinely difficult set of
| dependencies, with the risk of circularity.
|
| Multics did a continuous rolling release, described in the Paul Stachour
| paper on versioning, and their and the ARPAnet's versioning did allow
| one to break out of circular dependencies.
|
| But that's getting exceedingly off-topic (:-))
|
| --dave
|
| --
| David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify
| System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest
| davecb-0XdUWXLQalXR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org | -- Mark Twain
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