Question about FBSD (was: Ubuntu first time)

[William Park]

Ok, question about FBSD.  Can someone explain to me the partition layout of FBSD?  I can't install it into a logical partition.  It has to be a primary.  It then slices it into something resembling LVM which I don't use because I can't remember their command line arguments.
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William



----- Original Message -----
> From: Alejandro Imass <aimass at yabarana.com>
> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 11:51:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Ubuntu first time
> 
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Lennart Sorensen
> <lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7Gw at public.gmane.org.ca> wrote:
>>  On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 07:30:33PM -0500, Alejandro Imass wrote:
>>>  No man, you can't assert that just like that. We use Ubuntu on a 
> daily
>>>  basis and for much more than just simple stuff. I did find 11 to be
> [...]
> 
>>  I can't honestly take any of the BSDs seriously anymore.  They are just
>>  so outdated compared to Linux.  I used to use netBSD but haven't for
>>  about a decade now.  There simply is not reason to.
>> 
> 
> I think this is a very  myopic statement and shows that the Linux
> crowd needs to get out more, especially so in the Debian crowd.
> 
> Let me just point out *some* differences between FBSD and Linux. And
> again, I'm not saying that Linux is bad, but since you have made it a
> habit to throw careless FUD everywhere it is necessary to point just
> some benefits of FBSD:
> 
> 1) For starters, Linux's overly-optimistic vm is really crappy for
> high-load systems and no matter how you tweak it you will never get
> the high-load stability of a FBSD kernel. At least not to date. A
> simple example, just push linux to near exhaustion of swap and:
> *boom*, you will need to eventually reboot as it never recovers
> completely. The over optimistic vm is a well known problem in the
> Linux Kernel, and _any one_ can try this at home with ab or httperf
> with a 2.6.x. Linux kernel running a memory hungry multi-threaded
> Apache application.
> 
> 2) Another problem with Linux is the mixing of base system and
> applications. In *BSD there is a clear-cut separation between the base
> system and the application world, making it not only extremely secure,
> but very stable in upgrades. You can upgrade apps and system
> practically independent from each other. This could easily be done by
> any Linux distro, but none to date have.
> 
> 3) FBSD Jails: There is nothing like this in the Linux world to date,
> and it's a shame because it would be so easy as is nothing more than a
> sophisticated chroot environment. Jails amongst other things (like
> pseudo-virtualization without overhead) allows you to further separate
> base system from running services with so-called "service jails"
> 
> 4) The ports/package system. One thing that is superior IMO with the
> FBSD posrts system is the way they are able to use packages directly
> from source and use a very clever patching mechanism, which is a
> *light* modification to the original package.This makes it relatively
> easy to use the newest versions of the source paakcges. Debian, on the
> other hand (and may other a Linux distro)  , tend to modify packages
> extensively to make them *their way* and this is not only inefficient
> and resource intensive, but brings forth may problems and goes against
> common-sense and cost-effective maintainability.
> 
> These are only scratching the surface. The point here is not saying
> that FBSD is better than Linux because they each serve a purpose and
> should be respected for that. Linux may be great for some applications
> but that also holds true for *BSD and other Open Source OSs; things
> like MenuetOS, Open Solaris, etc, which most Linux enthusiasts ignore
> altogether, living in their own little Linux world and fighting over
> KDE vs. Gnome and Debian vs. Ubuntu vs. Fedora, Free Software vs. Open
> Source, etc.
> 
> I use and love Linux on a daily basis, but also FBSD and MacOSX and
> they are all great systems each with it's pros and cons, virtues and
> flaws. And yes, it took me many years to abandon zealotry and discover
> a broader and richer world in Free Software _and_ Open Source.
> 
> Best,
> 
> -- 
> Alejandro Imass
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