From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 3 21:17:01 2012 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:17:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: =?ISO-8859-7?Q?tonight=3A_Rob_Bishop=A2s_Raspberry_Pi_Hackerspace_Tour_Visits_Toronto?= Message-ID: [Scott posted this before, but I'm using it as a test to see if the list is still alive. The last post I see is from a week ago.] Tonight, on York Campus: I'm intending to go. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 3 21:22:35 2012 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 16:22:35 -0500 Subject: Take Action =?windows-1252?Q?=96_Google?= Message-ID: <50BD181B.9040808@rogers.com> The ITU wants to regulate the Internet and may cause a lot of harm in the process. http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/29/business/opinion-cerf-google-internet-freedom/index.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/takeaction/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 14:46:39 2012 From: ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:46:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Looking for a Dell PE2950 GIII Message-ID: I'm looking for an operational Dell PE2950 GIII and was wondering if anyone had one gathering dust in the corner. I plan to add this to a virtualization cluster of like machines. Hard drives or memory does not matter since I have that. Terry -- Terry Tanski, BSc RHCE Email: ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 4 19:49:06 2012 From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 14:49:06 -0500 Subject: Job posting: Linux sys admin and FLOSS Developer Message-ID: Apply on line, or contact me to connect you with the hiring manager. https://careers-virtustream.icims.com/jobs/1064/open-source-software-technologist-linux-system-administrator/job -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 5 17:03:33 2012 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 12:03:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: list problems? Message-ID: I saw no messages on this list between mine of November 26th and mine of December 3. I don't see any in the archive either A week seems like a long gap. I mentioned this to Scott on Monday, and he said that he had received messages in this period. Has anyone else seen list messages within this period? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 5 17:04:48 2012 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 12:04:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: list problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I saw no messages on this list between mine of November 26th and mine of > December 3. I don't see any in the archive either > > > A week seems like a long gap. I mentioned this to Scott on Monday, and he > said that he had received messages in this period. > > Has anyone else seen list messages within this period? I received the same as you: nothing between Nov. 26 and Dec. 3. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mdhillca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 5 17:07:51 2012 From: mdhillca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Hill) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 12:07:51 -0500 Subject: list problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > I received the same as you: nothing between Nov. 26 and Dec. 3. Same gap here, but plenty since then. Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 5 17:08:07 2012 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:08:07 -0500 Subject: list problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50BF7F77.2020308@ss.org> On 12/05/2012 12:03 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I saw no messages on this list between mine of November 26th and mine of > December 3. I don't see any in the archive either > > > A week seems like a long gap. I mentioned this to Scott on Monday, and he > said that he had received messages in this period. I actually review my mail box and found the very same lull in message. I guess we we're all to busy watching Season Finale of the Rob Ford Soap Opera. > Has anyone else seen list messages within this period? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 5 17:09:49 2012 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 12:09:49 -0500 Subject: list problems? In-Reply-To: <50BF7F77.2020308-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <50BF7F77.2020308@ss.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Scott Sullivan wrote: > On 12/05/2012 12:03 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > >> I saw no messages on this list between mine of November 26th and mine of >> December 3. I don't see any in the archive either >> >> > >> >> A week seems like a long gap. I mentioned this to Scott on Monday, and he >> said that he had received messages in this period. >> > > I actually review my mail box and found the very same lull in message. I > guess we we're all to busy watching Season Finale of the Rob Ford Soap > Opera. I see the same lull, too. Remember, after a season finale, they always turn a popular train wreck into a Season 2... -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 5 19:44:41 2012 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 14:44:41 -0500 Subject: overheating In-Reply-To: <20121126091915.f84d8066967b39c0153f5c28-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <50B20150.7020707@gmail.com> <20121126091915.f84d8066967b39c0153f5c28@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20121205194441.GJ14557@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 09:19:15AM -0500, Howard Gibson wrote: > Zbigniew, > > Why not just replace the power supply? On an old computer, this could be quite cheap. It is a Dell and a compact one. Almost certainly non standard power supply in that case. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 5 20:46:25 2012 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 15:46:25 -0500 Subject: list problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20121205204625.GA27163@waltdnes.org> On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 12:04:48PM -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote > On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > > I saw no messages on this list between mine of November 26th and mine of > > December 3. I don't see any in the archive either > > > > > > A week seems like a long gap. I mentioned this to Scott on Monday, and he > > said that he had received messages in this period. > > > > Has anyone else seen list messages within this period? > > I received the same as you: nothing between Nov. 26 and Dec. 3. Me three. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 5 23:28:37 2012 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 18:28:37 -0500 Subject: Problems with Canon CR2 raw decode in ufraw/gimp Message-ID: <20121205232837.GA17554@waltdnes.org> The raw file decodes to a garish "monochrome" blank and pink. Help!!! I've recently gotten myself a new toy http://www.henrys.com/66453-CANON-POWERSHOT-S100-IS-BLACK-12MP-5X-WIDE-ANGLE.aspx Despite the fact that it looks like a standard consumer point-n-shoot, it has a larger-than-average sensor, goes up to ISO 6400, and shoots raw. The most major linux annoyance is that it does not show up as USB mass storage device. I solve that by reading directly from the memory card. The problem I'm having right now is that the ufraw plugin for GIMP decodes the CR2 raw file to a garish, monochrome, black and pink image. I tried a few test shots with auto-white-balance, and the JPEG versions look fine. The EXIF data on the JPEGs confirms that I used auto white balance. The JPEG versions of the images look OK. As a matter of fact, gqview decodes the CR2 files OK when viewing them. The problem appears to be UFRAW (and/or the underlying DCRAW code, which I also tried in standalone mode and got pink images). Google searching was useless. Apparently, this was a known problem in UFRAW 0.13, and fixed in 0.15. I've got 0.18 on my system. The generic solution on Google appears to be to use a CR2-to-DNG conversion utility, and then work with the DNG version. Do you know of any convertors that run under linux? I'd even settle for free Windows utils that run under WINE. For the time being, I'm playing around with RawTherapee http://www.rawtherapee.com/ There's even an ebuild for Gentoo linux. It appears to load and decode the CR2 file OK. It can then pass the result to GIMP as a 16-bit-per-pixel TIFF file. There's a warning that GIMP truncates the data to 8-bits-per-pixel, but it seems to work OK. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 00:27:34 2012 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 19:27:34 -0500 Subject: GFS2 hardware requirements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello I am planning to teach myself the in and out of GFS2. Now, problem is, I don't have a server class hardware and plan to use a couple of Dell Optiplex 745. So I went looking for requirements and don't seem to find anything definitative. Do anyone know whether I need IPMI capable hardware or anything would work fine? Would appreciate any pointer here. Regards, William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 01:09:16 2012 From: lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:09:16 -0500 Subject: GFS2 hardware requirements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50BFF03C.5010803@alteeve.ca> On 12/05/2012 07:27 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > Hello > > I am planning to teach myself the in and out of GFS2. Now, problem is, I > don't have a server class hardware and plan to use a couple of Dell > Optiplex 745. > > So I went looking for requirements and don't seem to find anything > definitative. Do anyone know whether I need IPMI capable hardware or > anything would work fine? > > Would appreciate any pointer here. > > Regards, > > William GFS2, itself, only requires shared storage of some type. However, the distributed lock manager (DLM) requires fencing in order to put a lost/failed node into a known state. That requires an external method of forcing off the node, which IPMI can do. So if you have IPMI then you are most of the way there. As for shared storage, I use DRBD. GFS2 is only supported on clustered LVM (which is normal LVM with it's locking swapped out for DLM). I've run it without clvmd out of curiosity, and it works, but if you already have DLM then it's trivial to use clvmd. If you want to play with SAN-backed GFS2, you can easily use a 3rd system and export storage from it using tgtd and mount it on the two cluster nodes via iscsid. I'd do this after DRBD though, as DRBD is, in my opinion, preferable over SANs in production. I should how to create GFS2 as part of a larger tutorial on KVM clusters that might help; https://alteeve.ca/w/2-Node_Red_Hat_KVM_Cluster_Tutorial -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 01:16:38 2012 From: lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:16:38 -0500 Subject: GFS2 hardware requirements In-Reply-To: <50BFF03C.5010803-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <50BFF03C.5010803@alteeve.ca> Message-ID: <50BFF1F6.30509@alteeve.ca> On 12/05/2012 08:09 PM, Digimer wrote: > On 12/05/2012 07:27 PM, William Muriithi wrote: >> Hello >> >> I am planning to teach myself the in and out of GFS2. Now, problem is, I >> don't have a server class hardware and plan to use a couple of Dell >> Optiplex 745. >> >> So I went looking for requirements and don't seem to find anything >> definitative. Do anyone know whether I need IPMI capable hardware or >> anything would work fine? >> >> Would appreciate any pointer here. >> >> Regards, >> >> William > > GFS2, itself, only requires shared storage of some type. However, the > distributed lock manager (DLM) requires fencing in order to put a > lost/failed node into a known state. That requires an external method of > forcing off the node, which IPMI can do. So if you have IPMI then you > are most of the way there. > > As for shared storage, I use DRBD. GFS2 is only supported on clustered > LVM (which is normal LVM with it's locking swapped out for DLM). I've > run it without clvmd out of curiosity, and it works, but if you already > have DLM then it's trivial to use clvmd. > > If you want to play with SAN-backed GFS2, you can easily use a 3rd > system and export storage from it using tgtd and mount it on the two > cluster nodes via iscsid. I'd do this after DRBD though, as DRBD is, in > my opinion, preferable over SANs in production. > > I should how to create GFS2 as part of a larger tutorial on KVM clusters > that might help; > > https://alteeve.ca/w/2-Node_Red_Hat_KVM_Cluster_Tutorial I should mention; There is an active #linux-cluster channel on freenode.net. The /topic says "no gfs2 support", but that is directed at folks with paid Red Hat support contracts. They had trouble with customers making changes outside of the RH ticketing system without updating the tickets themselves. I'm guessing you haven't bought Red Hat's Resilient Storage Add-on, so no worries there. -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From anthony-P5WJPa9AKEcsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 13:15:15 2012 From: anthony-P5WJPa9AKEcsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Anthony Verevkin) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:15:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: list problems? In-Reply-To: <20121205204625.GA27163-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20121205204625.GA27163@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- > > > I saw no messages on this list between mine of November 26th and > > > mine of December 3. > Me three. How about we ask it another way - has anybody posted anything on this list between November 26 and December 3? ;) Regards, Anthony -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 6 22:31:12 2012 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 17:31:12 -0500 Subject: 19 years of Linux Journal on DVD Message-ID: Not sure if this is indexed & searchable; if it is, might be worth the $35 to some. Gets you all 224 issues - from March '94 to December '12. In the pre-order email I received from LJ it says to use the coupon code "DVDSAVEYOU10" to save $10.00 for a limited time; it's a bit unclear how limited that time is though and might just be for the pre-order period. (Later in the email it states "Sale ends February 16," but I'm uncertain whether that refers to the discount or sales of the DVD.) Anyway, works out to be around $0.12 per issue with the discount or $0.16 without. Stock doesn't start arriving until Dec 24 so getting them before Christmas will be unlikely (unless you know Santa ;-) May make a handy guide for those whose New Years Resolutions include getting away from their proprietary Operating System however. -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github & more Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 01:20:24 2012 From: alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Alan Cohen) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 20:20:24 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 2 ! Message-ID: I have an old machine (that I havn't used in years) running Fedora Core-2. I used to start up X11 with STARTX. Since the last time I used it, I changed to a Samsung monitor and now I only get the message: "Not optimum mode Recommended mode 1920x1080 analog" I can't remember how or what to change, presumably in xorg.conf (If I can get this thing to work, I'll have a 2nd question to ask later.) Sincerely, Alan Cohen 416-783-5383 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 02:56:16 2012 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 21:56:16 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 2 ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50C15AD0.5000801@ve3syb.ca> On 12-12-06 08:20 PM, Alan Cohen wrote: > I have an old machine (that I havn't used in years) running Fedora Core-2. > I used to start up X11 with STARTX. Since the last time I used it, I > changed to a Samsung monitor and now I only get the message: > "Not optimum mode > Recommended mode 1920x1080 analog" Wow. It's been a while since I've thought about the contents of the X configuration file. FC2 goes back a few years. I stopped using FC around the time FC9 was released. The first thing you want to do is check the Monitor section and set the limits for the horizontal and vertical sync frequencies to the limits of the new monitor. There used to be some video card timing parameters in the configuration file. xvidtune was useful in fine tuning those values (located in the Modeline sections) for the various display resolutions you wanted to use. At least it was useful back in the X86 days. With the release of xorg that Modeline timing information has either moved to a new location (not known to me) or it has been removed altogether. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 08:02:35 2012 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 03:02:35 -0500 Subject: 19 years of Linux Journal on DVD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50C1A29B.4020305@ve3syb.ca> On 12-12-06 05:31 PM, Scott Elcomb wrote: > Not sure if this is indexed & searchable; if it is, might be worth the > $35 to some. Gets you all 224 issues - from March '94 to December '12. I've been a subscriber since the early days of the magazine. On one hand it's tempting but on the other, I've lost interest in the magazine after they stopped producing the paper copies and went digital. I spend enough time at the computer I don't need to spend more time reading a magazine. I tried to cancel my subscription in December just after they made the switch but it seems they got rid of the people in the customer service and subscription departments as several attempts to contact them have failed to get any acknowledgement. Back when I was one of the people who missed getting a few issues due to the problem with the fulfillment house, the person who said they would respond to all messages about that problem never responded to me either so it seems the customer service department was thin even back then. After I had tried to cancel my subscription I still received another message about a PDF file for January. I put my subscription on hold to stop them from sending me any more files. They still owe me a refund for 16 issues (it should be 17 including the January issue). -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 7 14:09:53 2012 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 09:09:53 -0500 Subject: 19 years of Linux Journal on DVD In-Reply-To: <50C1A29B.4020305-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <50C1A29B.4020305@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: On 7 December 2012 03:02, Kevin Cozens wrote: > I've been a subscriber since the early days of the magazine. On one hand > it's tempting but on the other, I've lost interest in the magazine after > they stopped producing the paper copies and went digital. I spend enough > time at the computer I don't need to spend more time reading a magazine. Me too, and ... me too. I've had a subscription since around 1999, and they lost me when they went digital. Unlike you, I didn't try to cancel - I figure that the subscription will expire eventually and I do occasionally poke through the PDFs. But I have to suspect that if you and I had exactly the same reaction, it's going to extend far through their userbase and they're going to sink without a ripple. It's very sad: they were incredibly important to Linux in its formative years. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 8 03:11:26 2012 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:11:26 -0500 Subject: 19 years of Linux Journal on DVD In-Reply-To: <50C1A29B.4020305-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <50C1A29B.4020305@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <50C2AFDE.7000306@rogers.com> Kevin Cozens wrote: > I've lost interest in the magazine after they stopped producing the > paper copies and went digital I've found that since Shawn Powers took over as editor, it has become significantly less interesting. So, after they went to the digital edition, I didn't bother renewing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 8 17:51:16 2012 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 12:51:16 -0500 Subject: Problems with Canon CR2 raw decode in ufraw/gimp In-Reply-To: <20121205232837.GA17554-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20121205232837.GA17554@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On 5 December 2012 18:28, Walter Dnes wrote: > The raw file decodes to a garish "monochrome" blank and pink. Help!!! > I've recently gotten myself a new toy http://www.henrys.com/66453-CANON-POWERSHOT-S100-IS-BLACK-12MP-5X-WIDE-ANGLE.aspx > Despite the fact that it looks like a standard consumer point-n-shoot, > it has a larger-than-average sensor, goes up to ISO 6400, and shoots > raw. The most major linux annoyance is that it does not show up as USB > mass storage device. I solve that by reading directly from the memory > card. > > The problem I'm having right now is that the ufraw plugin for GIMP > decodes the CR2 raw file to a garish, monochrome, black and pink image. > I tried a few test shots with auto-white-balance, and the JPEG versions > look fine. The EXIF data on the JPEGs confirms that I used auto white > balance. The JPEG versions of the images look OK. As a matter of fact, > gqview decodes the CR2 files OK when viewing them. The problem appears > to be UFRAW (and/or the underlying DCRAW code, which I also tried in > standalone mode and got pink images). > > Google searching was useless. Apparently, this was a known problem in > UFRAW 0.13, and fixed in 0.15. I've got 0.18 on my system. The generic > solution on Google appears to be to use a CR2-to-DNG conversion utility, > and then work with the DNG version. Do you know of any convertors that > run under linux? I'd even settle for free Windows utils that run under > WINE. > > For the time being, I'm playing around with RawTherapee > http://www.rawtherapee.com/ There's even an ebuild for Gentoo linux. > It appears to load and decode the CR2 file OK. It can then pass the > result to GIMP as a 16-bit-per-pixel TIFF file. There's a warning that > GIMP truncates the data to 8-bits-per-pixel, but it seems to work OK. Hi Walter. This isn't the answer you're looking for, but I hope it'll be of some help. I've been a dedicated fan of Canon since long before digital cameras even existed, and a dedicated photographer before that. My take on this is that you should think long and hard about why you'd want to shoot RAW. I know it has advantages and maybe you need some of those, but if you end up converting your images to TIFF and are happy with that, you've lost about 95% of the advantages of RAW. I've shot digital for about eight years now, and have chosen to stick with the highest quality JPG files that my cameras could produce rather than worry about RAW. Several reasons: RAW requires roughly 10x the storage, and my photography is already taking up enough space on my hard drive, DVDs, and various other external storage. Hand in hand with that problem is that storing the image on your camera takes proportionately longer, significantly increasing an already too-long inter-shot time. Linux handling of RAW has been pretty much crap from the get-go, and I simply don't see enough advantage in RAW even if the other problems were solved. But I admit I've never even tried to experiment with it. I'll add that I've voluntarily stuck with high end point-and-shoot cameras rather than moving to larger sensors and DSLRs - mainly because I'm not willing to carry the extra weight and bulk of the DSLR and a couple lenses. Note that small sensors are effectively what make "superzooms" possible - and those are a huge blessing when you're travelling. I pay the price in low light, but have become a huge fan of my hiking stick/monopod. :-) -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 8 18:59:29 2012 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2012 13:59:29 -0500 Subject: Problems with Canon CR2 raw decode in ufraw/gimp In-Reply-To: References: <20121205232837.GA17554@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <50C38E11.6020600@gmail.com> On 08-12-12 12:51 , Giles Orr wrote: > > ... storing the image on your camera takes > proportionately longer, significantly increasing an already too-long > inter-shot time. I have an S100, too. With a Class 10 card, you barely notice the delay of raw. I don't often shoot raw, but when I need it (I'm a sucker for brain-melting HDR, alas), I want it. My main reason for having an S100 is its very accurate GPS for OpenStreetMap work. > Linux handling of RAW has been pretty much crap from the get-go I don't think that's entirely fair. dcraw is the basis of most commercial raw packages. It's the >8bpp workflow that's been missing from Linux. Gimp is better at this in 2.8+ than before, but it's not completely there yet. cheers, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vic-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 8 19:02:42 2012 From: vic-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org (Vic Gedris) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 14:02:42 -0500 Subject: Problems with Canon CR2 raw decode in ufraw/gimp In-Reply-To: <20121205232837.GA17554-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20121205232837.GA17554@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > The problem I'm having right now is that the ufraw plugin for GIMP > decodes the CR2 raw file to a garish, monochrome, black and pink image. > I tried a few test shots with auto-white-balance, and the JPEG versions > look fine. The EXIF data on the JPEGs confirms that I used auto white > balance. The JPEG versions of the images look OK. As a matter of fact, > gqview decodes the CR2 files OK when viewing them. The problem appears > to be UFRAW (and/or the underlying DCRAW code, which I also tried in > standalone mode and got pink images). Here's my impression: I think the latest ufraw is just using a slightly old version of dcraw that does not have support of the Canon S100. ufraw's website does not show this camera as being supported, but the dcraw page does. You may be able to grab the dcraw code and update the ufraw code with it, though I have no idea if ufraw does any major mangling of it... I think the reason that gqview/geeqie works with raw files (and so quickly too!) is that it actually reads the embedded jpeg file rather than decoding the raw file on the fly. > For the time being, I'm playing around with RawTherapee > http://www.rawtherapee.com/ There's even an ebuild for Gentoo linux. > It appears to load and decode the CR2 file OK. It can then pass the > result to GIMP as a 16-bit-per-pixel TIFF file. There's a warning that > GIMP truncates the data to 8-bits-per-pixel, but it seems to work OK. Rawtherapee looks great, though I haven't made the switch from ufraw yet due to lack of time to learn it. But I'm guessing they also use a newer dcraw, and that's why it supports your camera. Cheers, Vic -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 9 07:00:11 2012 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 02:00:11 -0500 Subject: Problems with Canon CR2 raw decode in ufraw/gimp In-Reply-To: References: <20121205232837.GA17554@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20121209070011.GB22913@waltdnes.org> On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 12:51:16PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote > My take on this is that you should think long and hard about why you'd > want to shoot RAW. I know it has advantages and maybe you need some > of those, but if you end up converting your images to TIFF and are > happy with that, you've lost about 95% of the advantages of RAW. I've > shot digital for about eight years now, and have chosen to stick with > the highest quality JPG files that my cameras could produce rather > than worry about RAW. The disadvantage of direct JPEG shooting is that you hope and pray that you got everything right with the shot, because there is no undo/redo. Maybe a pro can do that, but I'm a novice at the Toronto Digital Photo club http://torontodigitalphotoclub.com/ Among the advantages of feeding a raw file through the UFRAW plugin into GIMP are * Even something as simple as cropping or re-sizing causes quality loss if you have to do it in lossy JPEG format * You can correct for over/under-exposure or wrong colour balance after the fact. This is often difficult or impossible on JPEGs. And even where you can correct, the modified image will lose detail, thanks to JPEG lossiness * Speaking of over/under-exposure, you can take *ONE* raw image, create versions with diferent exposures, and create HDR images. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJFqZvmB8IE Try doing that with a JPEG photo. * rawtherapee (or UFRAW) passes output (via pipe? IPC? whatever?) as 8-bit to GIMP... *AFTER* tweaking in rawtherapee (or UFRAW). So I get to choose which 8 bits of the 10/12/14/16 gets passed to GIMP. And if I don't get it right, I can always go back to the original raw file, and try again * I save my "working files" in PNG format. They're a lot smaller than uncompressed TIFF, but still lossless, unlike JPEG. > I'll add that I've voluntarily stuck with high end point-and-shoot > cameras rather than moving to larger sensors and DSLRs - mainly > because I'm not willing to carry the extra weight and bulk of the DSLR > and a couple lenses. That's why I got the S100... near-DSLR performance in a point-n-shoot sized package. Also, some sporting events, etc allow point-n-shoot cameras, but not "professional" cameras. When they see a "point-n-click" camera hanging on a wrist strap, they'll suppress a giggle, and let you in. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From paul-HzDep54A8sA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 10 16:46:29 2012 From: paul-HzDep54A8sA at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 11:46:29 -0500 Subject: Fwd: UNIX Administrator (#2756-MH201) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi. A recruiter contacted me today regarding this job. 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Maybe a pro can do that, but I'm a novice at the Toronto > Digital Photo club http://torontodigitalphotoclub.com/ Among the > advantages of feeding a raw file through the UFRAW plugin into GIMP are > > * Even something as simple as cropping or re-sizing causes quality loss > if you have to do it in lossy JPEG format > > * You can correct for over/under-exposure or wrong colour balance after > the fact. This is often difficult or impossible on JPEGs. And even > where you can correct, the modified image will lose detail, thanks to > JPEG lossiness > > * Speaking of over/under-exposure, you can take *ONE* raw image, create > versions with diferent exposures, and create HDR images. See > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJFqZvmB8IE Try doing that with a JPEG > photo. > > * rawtherapee (or UFRAW) passes output (via pipe? IPC? whatever?) as > 8-bit to GIMP... *AFTER* tweaking in rawtherapee (or UFRAW). So I get > to choose which 8 bits of the 10/12/14/16 gets passed to GIMP. And if > I don't get it right, I can always go back to the original raw file, > and try again > > * I save my "working files" in PNG format. They're a lot smaller than > uncompressed TIFF, but still lossless, unlike JPEG. > > > I'll add that I've voluntarily stuck with high end point-and-shoot > > cameras rather than moving to larger sensors and DSLRs - mainly > > because I'm not willing to carry the extra weight and bulk of the DSLR > > and a couple lenses. > > That's why I got the S100... near-DSLR performance in a point-n-shoot > sized package. Also, some sporting events, etc allow point-n-shoot > cameras, but not "professional" cameras. When they see a > "point-n-click" camera hanging on a wrist strap, they'll suppress a > giggle, and let you in. I wonder what such people would think of my Canon Eos M. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 08:45:27 2012 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 03:45:27 -0500 Subject: Problems with Canon CR2 raw decode in ufraw/gimp In-Reply-To: <20121211190624.GK14557-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20121205232837.GA17554@waltdnes.org> <20121209070011.GB22913@waltdnes.org> <20121211190624.GK14557@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20121212084527.GB32442@waltdnes.org> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 02:06:24PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote > On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 02:00:11AM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > > That's why I got the S100... near-DSLR performance in a point-n-shoot > > sized package. Also, some sporting events, etc allow point-n-shoot > > cameras, but not "professional" cameras. When they see a > > "point-n-click" camera hanging on a wrist strap, they'll suppress a > > giggle, and let you in. > > I wonder what such people would think of my Canon Eos M. I think that an add-on lens would be a problem at most sports events if you don't have media credentials. Does the Eos M have a "pancake" lens? -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 15:34:53 2012 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:34:53 -0500 Subject: Problems with Canon CR2 raw decode in ufraw/gimp In-Reply-To: <20121212084527.GB32442-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20121205232837.GA17554@waltdnes.org> <20121209070011.GB22913@waltdnes.org> <20121211190624.GK14557@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20121212084527.GB32442@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20121212153453.GL14557@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 03:45:27AM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > I think that an add-on lens would be a problem at most sports events > if you don't have media credentials. Does the Eos M have a "pancake" > lens? It has a 22mm fixed lens, and a 18-55mm zoom lens. With the 22mm lens on it, it looks rather compact. Internally it has most of the bits of a T4i, without the mirror and viewfinder stuff of course. Now if you were to use the EF-M to EF/EF-S adapter, then it would start to look bizarre and pretty ridiculous once you add a serious lens to it. Stops being quite so portable too at that point. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 16:13:02 2012 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:13:02 -0500 Subject: Adobe Framemaker versioning Message-ID: Is anyone familiar with what versioning options exist for Adobe Framemaker? Ideally this versioning function would show diffs between check-ins, have the ability to tag specific versions, show who was responsible for which changes, and so forth. I'm trying to determine if it's feasible to use external version control (perhaps cvs) for this function; however, if Framemaker itself provides this, a simple backup solution may be more appropriate. Thanks! Alex Beamish -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 12 20:45:58 2012 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 15:45:58 -0500 Subject: Samba 4.0 released Message-ID: <50C8ED06.9050205@gmail.com> Apparently you can replace your Windows AD server with Samba 4.0. As seen on Groklaw: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20121211145606466 Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 00:58:00 2012 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:58:00 -0500 Subject: Problems with Canon CR2 raw decode in ufraw/gimp In-Reply-To: <20121212153453.GL14557-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20121205232837.GA17554@waltdnes.org> <20121209070011.GB22913@waltdnes.org> <20121211190624.GK14557@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20121212084527.GB32442@waltdnes.org> <20121212153453.GL14557@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20121213005800.GB1286@waltdnes.org> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:34:53AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote > Now if you were to use the EF-M to EF/EF-S adapter, then it would start > to look bizarre and pretty ridiculous once you add a serious lens to it. > Stops being quite so portable too at that point. http://im.tech2.in.com/gallery/2012/jul/canon_eos_m_4_251330023970.jpg When you end up attaching a camera to a lens, instead of visa versa, yes it does "look bizarre and pretty ridiculous". -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 11:14:54 2012 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:14:54 -0800 Subject: Linux terminal/SSH clients Message-ID: Hey all, Most of time for my SSH needs, I just open up Konsole (or gnome-terminal etc) and then SSH to my destination. In windows-land, I found that Putty was useful but lacked some of the nicer features available on a linux client (tabs, split window, etc) Some of my more windows-centric colleagues have taken to using SuperPutty (essentially a putty wrapper), which seems to have fill on those missing gaps and more. Among some of the nice features are: - Tree/folder view of servers, so you can have a webservers "folder" with webservers nicely categorized beneath that - Split window tabs, so you can have the window split with 3 webservers tabs open on the top, and 2 application servers in the bottom, etc Anyone know of a Linux client which offers similar features. The tabs would be a nice-to-have but with hundreds of servers to manage the tree/folder view is what I'm really looking for. -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA "Computers don't make mistakes. They can, however, execute those provided to them very quickly" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The tabs > would be a nice-to-have but with hundreds of servers to manage the > tree/folder view is what I'm really looking for. > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA > > "Computers don't make mistakes. They can, however, execute those provided > to them very quickly" > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 17:32:55 2012 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:32:55 -0500 Subject: Linux terminal/SSH clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Among some of the nice features are: > - Tree/folder view of servers, so you can have a webservers "folder" with > webservers nicely categorized beneath that > - Split window tabs, so you can have the window split with 3 webservers tabs > open on the top, and 2 application servers in the bottom, etc > > Anyone know of a Linux client which offers similar features. The tabs would > be a nice-to-have but with hundreds of servers to manage the tree/folder > view is what I'm really looking for. I fully expect to take some flak for this, but so be it; I would (and eventually intend to) use JavaScript for this. My reasons are as follows: - Ubiquity - all you need is a browser and a small library* - Secure Channel - using HTTPS - Customization - Wrapping the terminal screen into views (trees/tabs) is a relatively simple task I forked this project as soon as I heard about with the intention of writing a tool like the one you describe. Unfortunately I'm tied up seven ways from sundown at the moment. (That said, if there was a contract offer I'd put some personal items on the back burner to jump on it) Anyway, some food for thought. Best regards - Scott * Interestingly enough, the client-side portion is derived (with permission) from JS/Linux -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github & more Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 17:39:20 2012 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:39:20 -0500 Subject: February 30th, 1712 and databases... Message-ID: A question I tossed out to the database people just after the last GTALug meeting was how their database software would handle February 30th. Yes, I am serious, but yes this is also the corner case of corner cases. During the transition between the Julian calendar and the Gregorian calendar, Sweden (and Sweden only) in 1712 had a February 30th as noted here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_30 . This could be an issue for databases being used for genealogy of people from Sweden (not me...) or other historic material from Sweden (ie: were there any laws passed on February 30th, 1712 ?). So, bottom line question I guess is are there database programs that are smart enough to know that February 30th can (in one VERY exceptionally unusual case) be a valid date? Colin McGregor P.S. I first heard about the valid February 30th earlier this year as I was looking for ways to torture test some calender software that was then being developed at the firm I was working at then. The software wasn't to be used in Sweden, so the above didn't apply, but I did find other historic oddities (related to the Julian --> Gregorian transition) to cause an incorrect result :-) . -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 19:58:47 2012 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:58:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: February 30th, 1712 and databases... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Colin McGregor | So, bottom line question I guess is are there database programs that | are smart enough to know that February 30th can (in one VERY | exceptionally unusual case) be a valid date? That's just one of many odd cases in calendars. So fundamentally, this comes down to how you think about dates/times. In computers there are several kinds of time, based on properties that you require of them (eg. monotonicity). See time(7). But let's just pay attention to "wall clock" times and dates. Traditionally, UNIX and Linux have represented time as a count of seconds since the epoch (00:00:00 UTC on 1 January 1970). I would hope that serious database systems would do the same kind of thing. Do they? This representation has a bunch of strengths and weaknesses: - it assumes Newtonian time + it is simple and linear and make sense to anyone who cannot simply ignore the complexities of normal time representations. It makes doing arithmetic with time values simple. - yikes! According to I'm wrong: Unix assumes a day has a constant number of seconds. So leap seconds are handled badly. If a second is added to a day that second will have the same representation as the second after it! If a second is removed, there will be a hole in the representation. So subtracting two time_t values will give the wrong number of seconds if the range includes leap seconds. - it means that there must be a flexible way of representing at least the most important 10,000 rules about calendars. These describe or modify how to convert between textual and time_t representations. Why flexible? Because new, ever odder, rules are being invented and discovered all the time. With luck, this can be hidden in a userland library. See ctime(3) and friends. - it doesn't have enough range (with signed 32-bit time_t, 1951 - 2038). With 64-bit time_t, the range seems OK: +/- 293 billion years. - it isn't precise enough for some uses. For example, make depends on time_t timestamps and could use more precision. + having timestamps NOT be relative to timezones is really helpful. This gets even clearer when dealing with daylight savings time. So many oddities are or should be handled in the library that converts a time_t to or from a human-familiar notation. - many many calendars that are not Gregorian (Julian, Islamic, Japanese, Jewish, Mayan, French Revolutionary, ...) - many surprising oddities, often due to transitions. - Collin's example is from the Swedish transitional calendar 1712. - there is no year 0: 1BC was followed immediately by 1AD. - read cal(1) about 1752. That reflects England and its colonies. Clearly these library routines need to know a cultural context to interpret or generate textual representations of time. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william-HPpJ5Ac2/Hg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 20:15:46 2012 From: william-HPpJ5Ac2/Hg at public.gmane.org (William Porquet) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:15:46 -0500 Subject: February 30th, 1712 and databases... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just a bit more details on the potential 2038 Unix time issues... http://maul.deepsky.com/~merovech/2038.html Written by Yours Truly. Cheers, William On 13 December 2012 14:58, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Colin McGregor > > | So, bottom line question I guess is are there database programs that > | are smart enough to know that February 30th can (in one VERY > | exceptionally unusual case) be a valid date? > > That's just one of many odd cases in calendars. > > So fundamentally, this comes down to how you think about dates/times. > > In computers there are several kinds of time, based on properties that > you require of them (eg. monotonicity). See time(7). But let's just > pay attention to "wall clock" times and dates. > > Traditionally, UNIX and Linux have represented time as a count of > seconds since the epoch (00:00:00 UTC on 1 January 1970). I would > hope that serious database systems would do the same kind of thing. Do > they? > > This representation has a bunch of strengths and weaknesses: > > - it assumes Newtonian time > > + it is simple and linear and make sense to anyone who cannot > simply ignore the complexities of normal time representations. > It makes doing arithmetic with time values simple. > > - yikes! According to > I'm wrong: Unix assumes a day has a constant number of seconds. > So leap seconds are handled badly. If a second is added to a day > that second will have the same representation as the second after > it! If a second is removed, there will be a hole in the > representation. So subtracting two time_t values will give > the wrong number of seconds if the range includes leap seconds. > > - it means that there must be a flexible way of representing at least > the most important 10,000 rules about calendars. These describe or > modify how to convert between textual and time_t representations. > Why flexible? Because new, ever odder, rules are being invented and > discovered all the time. With luck, this can be hidden in a > userland library. See ctime(3) and friends. > > - it doesn't have enough range (with signed 32-bit time_t, 1951 - > 2038). With 64-bit time_t, the range seems OK: +/- 293 billion > years. > > - it isn't precise enough for some uses. For example, make depends > on time_t timestamps and could use more precision. > > + having timestamps NOT be relative to timezones is really helpful. > This gets even clearer when dealing with daylight savings time. > > So many oddities are or should be handled in the library that converts > a time_t to or from a human-familiar notation. > > - many many calendars that are not Gregorian (Julian, Islamic, > Japanese, Jewish, Mayan, French Revolutionary, ...) > > - many surprising oddities, often due to transitions. > > - Collin's > example is from the Swedish transitional calendar 1712. > > - there is no year 0: 1BC was followed immediately by 1AD. > > - read cal(1) about 1752. That reflects England and > its colonies. > > Clearly these library routines need to know a cultural context to > interpret or generate textual representations of time. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- William Porquet, M.A. ? mailto:william-HPpJ5Ac2/Hg at public.gmane.org ? http://www.2038.org/ ?Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.? - Lucius Ann?us Seneca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 20:37:04 2012 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:37:04 -0500 Subject: Google goes back to the 60s Message-ID: <20121213153704.74f3f83b@herring_sucker.example.net> Tim Berners-Lee tweeted this page at http://www.masswerk.at/google60/ . When you get to the second screen, press the white button for options. Try not to spend all day there. ;-> -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org gstrom57-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 20:52:23 2012 From: lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:52:23 -0500 Subject: Google goes back to the 60s In-Reply-To: <20121213153704.74f3f83b@herring_sucker.example.net> References: <20121213153704.74f3f83b@herring_sucker.example.net> Message-ID: <50CA4007.8080504@alteeve.ca> On 12/13/2012 03:37 PM, Glen Strom wrote: > Tim Berners-Lee tweeted this page at http://www.masswerk.at/google60/ . > When you get to the second screen, press the white button for options. > > Try not to spend all day there. ;-> > Now that is awesome! -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 13 20:59:35 2012 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:59:35 -0500 Subject: Google goes back to the 60s In-Reply-To: <50CA4007.8080504-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20121213153704.74f3f83b@herring_sucker.example.net> <50CA4007.8080504@alteeve.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Digimer wrote: > On 12/13/2012 03:37 PM, Glen Strom wrote: >> Tim Berners-Lee tweeted this page at http://www.masswerk.at/google60/ . >> When you get to the second screen, press the white button for options. >> >> Try not to spend all day there. ;-> >> > > Now that is awesome! +1 Trying very hard to not play spacewar right now. =D -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github & more Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 14:35:24 2012 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:35:24 -0500 Subject: Cubox? Linux 3.7 released, bringing generic ARM support Message-ID: Hey there, I am currently without a computer since they all died at once and I am jobless. So I am using my Cubox to do basic stuff, but running Ubuntu 10 it is very slow. And since I do not have a Linux desktop I can't do any of the tricks to get a newer Linux on Cubox. Will this 3.7 kernel mean that Linux will now run on Cubox with normal install? 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 16:21:07 2012 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:21:07 -0500 Subject: what is the best distro for HP laptop? In-Reply-To: <1591760.C4fa3d1zMv@bob-kubuntu> References: <1591760.C4fa3d1zMv@bob-kubuntu> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:58 AM, bob295 wrote: > A colleague of mine has acquired a used HP laptop (HP Pavilion dv9000 AMD > Turion 64 x2 Mobile Tech TL-52 x2 1600 MHz). > > Any suggestions on what Linux distro would be best for this machine? If you were to ask 20 people "What the best flavour of ice cream?", you could get 20 legitimate, but different answers. I run Debian on my laptop, which for some is arguably not the "best", but I have been running Debian on my desktop, so I am familiar with where things are, how things are organized etc.. So, is your colleague familiar with a major distribution currently? That is where I would start, any MAJOR Linux distribution should be okay on a laptop, and the ease of transition from desktop to laptop could well be worth any minor defects the disto. has in dealing with laptops. If there is a show stopper with the desktop distro., then I would be looking at distributions from the same conceptual family, so if they know Debian, I would look at say Ubuntu, or if they know Red Hat then a look at Fedora/CentOS would be worth while. If they don't currently know a Linux distribution, then you are starting at square one, and a range of arguments can be made for different distributions. I would suggest your colleague stick with one of the major distributions (more likely to include support / updates for oddball laptop hardware), but comments on my part beyond that are likely to trigger an unwanted flame war... Colin McGregor > Thanks in advance for your help. > > bob > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From williamdweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 16:50:55 2012 From: williamdweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Weaver) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:50:55 -0500 Subject: what is the best distro for HP laptop? In-Reply-To: References: <1591760.C4fa3d1zMv@bob-kubuntu> Message-ID: I definately have to agree with Colin, and this is definately a topic that is a hotbed for the which flavor tastes the best flamewar. I want to offer the solution that was given to me when I asked "where do I start." Take a distro tour. Start at a site like distrowatch.com. If you are a complete linux noob, or even if you're not, start cracking down the list of most popular distros. Most of these will alow live CD/USB's to be made. Also Linux Live USB Creator, found at http://www.linuxliveusb.com is pretty good for quickly getting live USB installs quickly. With a USB key, a bag of cheetos, and a free weekend you can easily get a quick taste of what using and administering your potentially new system will be like. Set up a couple of base administration tasks. I suggest a few things like install Chromium, get Samba set up, add a service at startup, set a USB peripheral to mount at boot, get a network printer installed and get wifi working with onboard wifi/ usb wifi. Other people hopefully will chime in with more basic admin tasks that they think will give you a good taste of what administering the distro will be like. I'd also like to point out that what GUI or WM it uses is not important to me on the distro. Instead when I do my distro tour I try each GUI/WM seperately to figure out what I like, then when I find the distro I like if it doesn't use that GUI I will bolt it on. This is the part that is entirely opinion. I'm not interested in a flame war, just saying what my results of the tour was. Seriously if you just want to flame I will not respond. By the end of about 10 different distros/varients I realized I liked Arch Linux. I felt like I was light weight and comfortably close to source without doing Linux From Scratch or Slackware. I also love the pacman package manager. That being said though I wasn't really feeling any of the GUI/WM's I had tried until I tried the Enlightenment Window Manager. It was comfortable in it's default form, and "easily" which is a relative term, customizable for my wants as I'm kind of a minimalist person. I learned that from playing with Bhodi linux. So where did I end up, my work station environment is Arch running E17. But because of the distro tour I run CentOS on my server, because from a purely administrative standpoint, I like RedHat. I like that I can use the same thing as alot of major companies, including the one I work for. Then on my media center I'm running OpenElec after having switched off of Xbian and RaspBMC, because I realized I am personally not a Debian guy. Linux has alot of options, the best choice is the most well informed one, and only you know what you like. With some many of these choices being free as in beer, why not give each a taste. It only costs your time. Will Weaver On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:58 AM, bob295 wrote: > > A colleague of mine has acquired a used HP laptop (HP Pavilion dv9000 AMD > > Turion 64 x2 Mobile Tech TL-52 x2 1600 MHz). > > > > Any suggestions on what Linux distro would be best for this machine? > > If you were to ask 20 people "What the best flavour of ice cream?", > you could get 20 legitimate, but different answers. > > I run Debian on my laptop, which for some is arguably not the "best", > but I have been running Debian on my desktop, so I am familiar with > where things are, how things are organized etc.. So, is your colleague > familiar with a major distribution currently? That is where I would > start, any MAJOR Linux distribution should be okay on a laptop, and > the ease of transition from desktop to laptop could well be worth any > minor defects the disto. has in dealing with laptops. If there is a > show stopper with the desktop distro., then I would be looking at > distributions from the same conceptual family, so if they know Debian, > I would look at say Ubuntu, or if they know Red Hat then a look at > Fedora/CentOS would be worth while. > > If they don't currently know a Linux distribution, then you are > starting at square one, and a range of arguments can be made for > different distributions. I would suggest your colleague stick with one > of the major distributions (more likely to include support / updates > for oddball laptop hardware), but comments on my part beyond that are > likely to trigger an unwanted flame war... > > > Colin McGregor > > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > > > bob > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 16:54:11 2012 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:54:11 -0500 Subject: Cubox? Linux 3.7 released, bringing generic ARM support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50CB59B3.1010907@ss.org> On 12/14/2012 09:35 AM, Thomas Milne wrote: > Hey there, > > I am currently without a computer since they all died at once and I am > jobless. > > So I am using my Cubox to do basic stuff, but running Ubuntu 10 it is > very slow. And since I do not have a Linux desktop I can't do any of the > tricks to get a newer Linux on Cubox. > > Will this 3.7 kernel mean that Linux will now run on Cubox with normal > install? I know Debian won't have the 3.7 kernel for a while. > > http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/12/linux-3-7-released-bringing-generic-arm-support-with-it/ > This "generic" support is very nascent and does not yet support all platforms. From what I've been tracking on the Fedora ARM development hey will be supporting vExpress, trimslice and Pandaboard Systems with a single Kernel Image to begin with. In short, 3.7 means the ground work is in place to allow multi-SoC kernel images, but there is still a lot of work to to brings the dozens upon dozens of individual devices on board. It also depends on how much support for the Cubox's Marvell Armada 510 is in the mainline kernel. If it's not mainline, then their is considerable amount of work to still do. At this time I've not seen any of the Fedora Developers working with a Cubox. The Archlinux folks have a Cubox image, but their far more willing deploy kernels with drivers that aren't mainlined and that will continue to age and degrade. http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/cubox -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 16:54:21 2012 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:54:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Cubox? Linux 3.7 released, bringing generic ARM support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Thomas Milne | I am currently without a computer since they all died at once and I am | jobless. | | So I am using my Cubox to do basic stuff, but running Ubuntu 10 it is very | slow. If I remember correctly, Lennart is a local expert on the Cubox. There is no "Ubuntu 10". There is 10.04 LTS and 10.10, but those are distinct. What is it slow doing? Why? As far as I know, the major thing that *might* get sped up in another distro is floating point. Most programs don't care about FP performance, but a few care a lot -- do you run any of those? My perception is that these little devices are sometimes slow because: - the memory interface is narrower than a PC's so memory bandwidth is bad - 1 ARM MIP < 1 x86 MIP for modern x86 implementations - most I/O is funneled through USB 2.x (example: ethernet on RaspberryPI) (example: all disk I/O) - I think that SD cards (except perhaps the fastest) are slower than hard drives even if USB isn't the bottleneck - video drivers are crap since there are no high-performance open source video drivers for any ARM display subsystem yet - not enough RAM (new desktops start at 4G; most ARM systems stop at 1G) | Will this 3.7 kernel mean that Linux will now run on Cubox with normal | install? I know Debian won't have the 3.7 kernel for a while. Who knows. It is a future direction so it may not be embraced by old products. Too many embedded systems are "fire and forget" by their producers. I don't have any knowledge of the Cubox folks intention. You could ask them. | And since I do not have a Linux desktop I can't do any of the tricks | to get a newer Linux on Cubox. Surely we can help there. Where are you? What does it involve/require (time, equipment, expertise, risks)? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 16:54:19 2012 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:54:19 -0300 Subject: what is the best distro for HP laptop? In-Reply-To: References: <1591760.C4fa3d1zMv@bob-kubuntu> Message-ID: I think the big question here should be: Which distro do you use and feel confortable with? I think that's the point you should look for. If you're used to OpenSuse and know how stuff works in this distro, and you listen (or read o.O) to me when I say "You should use Arch Linux on your HP machine, it rocks!", perhaps you'll just find a lot of problems like: What is this file doing here? How can I start this service? Why is it asking me to identify this daemon? etc.. Perhaps, in this case, Arch won't be the best distro for YOUR HP machine, because it will just give you problems to solve (and makes you waste your time). But (just for joke) if you send me this machine as a christmas gift, I would say that Arch is the best distro for this machine, because now it's not about YOUR HP machine, but about MY HP machine. BUT (a huge "but") you're not used to any distro, you should pay attention on what Colin and William are writing about. Perhaps it's time to read about some distros, check the differences, test a few of them, etc. It's really up to you. You're the only one who could say which distro would be better for your machine. best, =================================================== Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha - Kalib Graduando em Sistemas de Informa??es - EST?CIO/FIC Usu?rio Linux #407564 | Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 Fortaleza - Cear? - Brazil Celular: +55 085 87620983 Certifica??es: ITIL V3 | CSM | LPI-C1 | LPI-C2 | LPI-C3 | Novell CLA Minha Pessoa: Blog Projetos: Tux-CE | Archlinux-br | Chakra | KDE Brasil | TLUG | PUG-CE =================================================== Proteja meu endere?o como estou protegendo o seu. N?o revele e-mail dos correspondentes: use Cco (Copia Carbonada Oculta). Retire os endere?os antes de reenviar. Dificulte assim a dissemina??o de v?rus e spam. On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:58 AM, bob295 wrote: > > A colleague of mine has acquired a used HP laptop (HP Pavilion dv9000 AMD > > Turion 64 x2 Mobile Tech TL-52 x2 1600 MHz). > > > > Any suggestions on what Linux distro would be best for this machine? > > If you were to ask 20 people "What the best flavour of ice cream?", > you could get 20 legitimate, but different answers. > > I run Debian on my laptop, which for some is arguably not the "best", > but I have been running Debian on my desktop, so I am familiar with > where things are, how things are organized etc.. So, is your colleague > familiar with a major distribution currently? That is where I would > start, any MAJOR Linux distribution should be okay on a laptop, and > the ease of transition from desktop to laptop could well be worth any > minor defects the disto. has in dealing with laptops. If there is a > show stopper with the desktop distro., then I would be looking at > distributions from the same conceptual family, so if they know Debian, > I would look at say Ubuntu, or if they know Red Hat then a look at > Fedora/CentOS would be worth while. > > If they don't currently know a Linux distribution, then you are > starting at square one, and a range of arguments can be made for > different distributions. I would suggest your colleague stick with one > of the major distributions (more likely to include support / updates > for oddball laptop hardware), but comments on my part beyond that are > likely to trigger an unwanted flame war... > > > Colin McGregor > > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > > > bob > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 17:13:12 2012 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:13:12 -0500 Subject: Cubox? Linux 3.7 released, bringing generic ARM support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50CB5E28.5020306@ss.org> On 12/14/2012 11:54 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Thomas Milne [...] > > What is it slow doing? Why? > > As far as I know, the major thing that *might* get sped up in another > distro is floating point. Most programs don't care about FP > performance, but a few care a lot -- do you run any of those? The Cubox SoC is a ARMv7 instruction set, which means it has a mandatory hardware floating-point unit. It's also why Ubuntu works on it as Ubuntu's developers have choose only to support ARMv7 architecture and above. > My perception is that these little devices are sometimes slow because: [...] > - not enough RAM (new desktops start at 4G; most ARM systems stop at > 1G) The Cubox is fortunately equipped with 1G of ram, but core CPU speed is much lower then it's peers at a partly 800Mhz. http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7 > | Will this 3.7 kernel mean that Linux will now run on Cubox with normal > | install? I know Debian won't have the 3.7 kernel for a while. > > Who knows. It is a future direction so it may not be embraced by old > products. Too many embedded systems are "fire and forget" by their > producers. I don't have any knowledge of the Cubox folks intention. > You could ask them. The ease of installation we see on x86 dervied systems has to do with the consistent boot environment provided by the BIOS. There is no equivalent in the ARM SoC world and this is complicated by the genuine competition in the market as their are literally dozen of CPU design companies, and hundreds of board design companies. To contrast, there is only really 3 x86 CPU designers (Intel, AMD and Via) and only much smaller cabal of board designers. The closest that comes a BIOS is uboot, but that also does the job of a boot loader (so it's part BIOS part Grub). But there are plenty of board designers that don't use uboot, or fork versions of uboot with limited and inconsistent feature sets that they don't merge back. Then there are devices like the Raspberry that does something completely different. So, the community is still coming to grips with all of this. The 3.7 kernel work is the first major foundation effort to bring make the kernel agile in the face of all of this and allow the maintainers and board designers to build on a leverage more common code. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 17:35:38 2012 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:35:38 -0500 Subject: Cubox? Linux 3.7 released, bringing generic ARM support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2012-12-14 11:56 AM, "D. Hugh Redelmeier" wrote: > > | From: Thomas Milne > > | I am currently without a computer since they all died at once and I am > | jobless. > | > | So I am using my Cubox to do basic stuff, but running Ubuntu 10 it is very > | slow. > > If I remember correctly, Lennart is a local expert on the Cubox. > > > There is no "Ubuntu 10". There is 10.04 LTS and 10.10, but those are > distinct. Sorry, you're right. Just being lazy since I have to type e-mails on my cell phone telephone :-) > What is it slow doing? Why? The worst part is web browsing. It is unbearable. Now that is likely in large part because of limited memory, but surely it would at least be more useable if I could get better use of the ARM processor with newer Linux version. My understanding is that the Ubuntu on there now does slow software emulation of hardware operations. > As far as I know, the major thing that *might* get sped up in another > distro is floating point. Most programs don't care about FP > performance, but a few care a lot -- do you run any of those? Basically I was hoping for a couple of basic functions: web browsing and media player, primarily with XBMC. As it is, the Cubox works very well just moving files around on network and running Transmission. > My perception is that these little devices are sometimes slow because: > > - the memory interface is narrower than a PC's so memory bandwidth is > bad Ya, not expecting to run Firefox with like 50 tabs open. > - 1 ARM MIP < 1 x86 MIP for modern x86 implementations > > - most I/O is funneled through USB 2.x (example: ethernet on > RaspberryPI) (example: all disk I/O) > > - I think that SD cards (except perhaps the fastest) are slower than > hard drives even if USB isn't the bottleneck > > - video drivers are crap since there are no high-performance open source > video drivers for any ARM display subsystem yet > > - not enough RAM (new desktops start at 4G; most ARM systems stop at > 1G) > > | Will this 3.7 kernel mean that Linux will now run on Cubox with normal > | install? I know Debian won't have the 3.7 kernel for a while. > > Who knows. It is a future direction so it may not be embraced by old > products. Too many embedded systems are "fire and forget" by their > producers. I don't have any knowledge of the Cubox folks intention. > You could ask them. > > | And since I do not have a Linux desktop I can't do any of the tricks > | to get a newer Linux on Cubox. > > Surely we can help there. > > Where are you? What does it involve/require (time, equipment, > expertise, risks)? Well I'm fairly experienced with Linux in general but not a professional. I can install it myself, but I'm not sure how to go about that as all instructions I read say I need another Linux computer besides Cubox :-/ I suppose ideally I would buy a good SD card and some kind soul would help me load some bootable install routine on it. I am in south etobicoke but I have a vehicle. Apologies for terrible line wrap/quoting on my phone. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From williamdweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 17:43:29 2012 From: williamdweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Weaver) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:43:29 -0500 Subject: what is the best distro for HP laptop? In-Reply-To: References: <1591760.C4fa3d1zMv@bob-kubuntu> Message-ID: Personal opinion, but I find doing a distro tour every few years teaches me a few new things about myself each time. I did one when I first started linux and I loved KDE and Mint. I used debian pure for my server environment as they suited my needs and wants at the time. Tastes change. Distros go in different directions than people's wants. Personally like to hop to whatever strikes my fancy, and I fully expect that in another 8 years I'm going to have very different needs than I do now. I may be to the point that I don't want anything on my computer that I didn't run a make command on myself. I may be building from scratch. I may not have the time to mess around so I may be looking for a "just works" distrobution, maybe hardware will be a constraint. Who knows. But from a personal point of view I feel that it's great to have preferences, but always be ready to go to greener pastures, plus it never hurts to be able to jump ship into an office environment and be able to say I'm comfortable with Linux as a whole, and not I'm comfortable with RedHat or Debian or Arch. Nomatter how much you know you kind of look silly the first time you go to install a package and you don't know that the package manager in RedHat is yum and not apt. Just my two advocating doing a distro tour even if you are familiar/preferential to a distro. You can always do something where you try one of each of the "cores" something Debian, something RedHat, something Slackware, something Ubuntu, and the like, then branch off with flavors of something you like, for example Ubuntu vs. Mint vs. Bhodi and all the other flavors of our favorites. I really feel that it enhances the base knowledge of the user just knowing the bredth of everything out there. You have to figure if there is a distro, and it's being maintained by someone and has a user base, there has to be a reason those people are using it. Nobody chooses a distro because it's a flaming pile of crap. Will On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Marcelo Cavalcante wrote: > I think the big question here should be: > > Which distro do you use and feel confortable with? > > I think that's the point you should look for. > > If you're used to OpenSuse and know how stuff works in this distro, and > you listen (or read o.O) to me when I say "You should use Arch Linux on > your HP machine, it rocks!", perhaps you'll just find a lot of problems > like: What is this file doing here? How can I start this service? Why is it > asking me to identify this daemon? etc.. > > Perhaps, in this case, Arch won't be the best distro for YOUR HP machine, > because it will just give you problems to solve (and makes you waste your > time). But (just for joke) if you send me this machine as a christmas gift, > I would say that Arch is the best distro for this machine, because now it's > not about YOUR HP machine, but about MY HP machine. > > BUT (a huge "but") you're not used to any distro, you should pay attention > on what Colin and William are writing about. Perhaps it's time to read > about some distros, check the differences, test a few of them, etc. > > It's really up to you. You're the only one who could say which distro > would be better for your machine. > > best, > > =================================================== > > Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha - Kalib > > Graduando em Sistemas de Informa??es - EST?CIO/FIC > Usu?rio Linux #407564 | Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 > Fortaleza - Cear? - Brazil > Celular: +55 085 87620983 > Certifica??es: ITIL V3 > | CSM | LPI-C1 | > LPI-C2 | LPI-C3 | Novell CLA > Minha Pessoa: Blog > Projetos: Tux-CE | Archlinux-br > | Chakra | KDE Brasil > | TLUG | PUG-CE > > =================================================== > > > Proteja meu endere?o como estou protegendo o seu. > N?o revele e-mail dos correspondentes: use Cco (Copia Carbonada Oculta). > Retire os endere?os antes de reenviar. Dificulte assim a > dissemina??o de v?rus e spam. > > > > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:58 AM, bob295 wrote: >> > A colleague of mine has acquired a used HP laptop (HP Pavilion dv9000 >> AMD >> > Turion 64 x2 Mobile Tech TL-52 x2 1600 MHz). >> > >> > Any suggestions on what Linux distro would be best for this machine? >> >> If you were to ask 20 people "What the best flavour of ice cream?", >> you could get 20 legitimate, but different answers. >> >> I run Debian on my laptop, which for some is arguably not the "best", >> but I have been running Debian on my desktop, so I am familiar with >> where things are, how things are organized etc.. So, is your colleague >> familiar with a major distribution currently? That is where I would >> start, any MAJOR Linux distribution should be okay on a laptop, and >> the ease of transition from desktop to laptop could well be worth any >> minor defects the disto. has in dealing with laptops. If there is a >> show stopper with the desktop distro., then I would be looking at >> distributions from the same conceptual family, so if they know Debian, >> I would look at say Ubuntu, or if they know Red Hat then a look at >> Fedora/CentOS would be worth while. >> >> If they don't currently know a Linux distribution, then you are >> starting at square one, and a range of arguments can be made for >> different distributions. I would suggest your colleague stick with one >> of the major distributions (more likely to include support / updates >> for oddball laptop hardware), but comments on my part beyond that are >> likely to trigger an unwanted flame war... >> >> >> Colin McGregor >> >> > Thanks in advance for your help. >> > >> > bob >> > -- >> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From williamdweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 17:51:26 2012 From: williamdweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Weaver) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:51:26 -0500 Subject: Cubox? Linux 3.7 released, bringing generic ARM support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: With that in mind it looks like SolidRun has a few prebuilts with XBMC that you can give a shot. http://www.solid-run.com/mw/index.php/XBMC_on_CuBox It may be a good place to get started. You can flash this get it up and running and see if it meets your needs, if not can it and reflash. If flashing is an issue I'm certain someone will be willing to flash the card for you. I live in the down town core and if you took the drive/subway to grab it I would, though you may be able to find someone closer. Will On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > > On 2012-12-14 11:56 AM, "D. Hugh Redelmeier" wrote: > > > > | From: Thomas Milne > > > > | I am currently without a computer since they all died at once and I am > > | jobless. > > | > > | So I am using my Cubox to do basic stuff, but running Ubuntu 10 it is > very > > | slow. > > > > If I remember correctly, Lennart is a local expert on the Cubox. > > > > > > There is no "Ubuntu 10". There is 10.04 LTS and 10.10, but those are > > distinct. > > Sorry, you're right. Just being lazy since I have to type e-mails on my > cell phone telephone :-) > > > What is it slow doing? Why? > > The worst part is web browsing. It is unbearable. Now that is likely in > large part because of limited memory, but surely it would at least be more > useable if I could get better use of the ARM processor with newer Linux > version. My understanding is that the Ubuntu on there now does slow > software emulation of hardware operations. > > > As far as I know, the major thing that *might* get sped up in another > > distro is floating point. Most programs don't care about FP > > performance, but a few care a lot -- do you run any of those? > > Basically I was hoping for a couple of basic functions: web browsing and > media player, primarily with XBMC. As it is, the Cubox works very well just > moving files around on network and running Transmission. > > > My perception is that these little devices are sometimes slow because: > > > > - the memory interface is narrower than a PC's so memory bandwidth is > > bad > > Ya, not expecting to run Firefox with like 50 tabs open. > > > - 1 ARM MIP < 1 x86 MIP for modern x86 implementations > > > > - most I/O is funneled through USB 2.x (example: ethernet on > > RaspberryPI) (example: all disk I/O) > > > > - I think that SD cards (except perhaps the fastest) are slower than > > hard drives even if USB isn't the bottleneck > > > > - video drivers are crap since there are no high-performance open source > > video drivers for any ARM display subsystem yet > > > > - not enough RAM (new desktops start at 4G; most ARM systems stop at > > 1G) > > > > | Will this 3.7 kernel mean that Linux will now run on Cubox with normal > > | install? I know Debian won't have the 3.7 kernel for a while. > > > > Who knows. It is a future direction so it may not be embraced by old > > products. Too many embedded systems are "fire and forget" by their > > producers. I don't have any knowledge of the Cubox folks intention. > > You could ask them. > > > > | And since I do not have a Linux desktop I can't do any of the tricks > > | to get a newer Linux on Cubox. > > > > Surely we can help there. > > > > Where are you? What does it involve/require (time, equipment, > > expertise, risks)? > > Well I'm fairly experienced with Linux in general but not a professional. > I can install it myself, but I'm not sure how to go about that as all > instructions I read say I need another Linux computer besides Cubox :-/ > > I suppose ideally I would buy a good SD card and some kind soul would help > me load some bootable install routine on it. > > I am in south etobicoke but I have a vehicle. > > Apologies for terrible line wrap/quoting on my phone. > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 19:24:13 2012 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:24:13 -0500 Subject: Google goes back to the 60s In-Reply-To: <50CB7C1E.4060303-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20121213153704.74f3f83b@herring_sucker.example.net> <50CB7C1E.4060303@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > On 12-12-13 03:37 PM, Glen Strom wrote: >> >> Tim Berners-Lee tweeted this page at http://www.masswerk.at/google60/ . >> When you get to the second screen, press the white button for options. >> >> Try not to spend all day there. ;-> > > > What second screen? I only see the search entry page with the punchcard and > keypunch machine and search results from an older type printer. The white button's on the search results screen, just above the green reset button. -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github & more Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 19:29:14 2012 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:29:14 -0500 Subject: Google goes back to the 60s In-Reply-To: <50CB7C1E.4060303-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20121213153704.74f3f83b@herring_sucker.example.net> <50CB7C1E.4060303@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <50CB7E0A.7090001@rogers.com> Kevin Cozens wrote: >> Try not to spend all day there. ;-> > > What second screen? I only see the search entry page with the > punchcard and keypunch machine and search results from an older type > printer. Click on the white button on the second screen. Also, on the keypunch screen, enter spacewars and hit enter. Follow the instructions. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 20:12:29 2012 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob295) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:12:29 -0500 Subject: what is the best distro for HP laptop? In-Reply-To: References: <1591760.C4fa3d1zMv@bob-kubuntu> Message-ID: <3736022.Whk0JFVqj3@bob-kubuntu> On December 14, 2012 11:21:07 AM you wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:58 AM, bob295 wrote: > > A colleague of mine has acquired a used HP laptop (HP Pavilion dv9000 AMD > > Turion 64 x2 Mobile Tech TL-52 x2 1600 MHz). > > > > Any suggestions on what Linux distro would be best for this machine? > > If you were to ask 20 people "What the best flavour of ice cream?", > you could get 20 legitimate, but different answers. > > I run Debian on my laptop, which for some is arguably not the "best", > but I have been running Debian on my desktop, so I am familiar with > where things are, how things are organized etc.. So, is your colleague > familiar with a major distribution currently? That is where I would > start, any MAJOR Linux distribution should be okay on a laptop, and > the ease of transition from desktop to laptop could well be worth any > minor defects the disto. has in dealing with laptops. If there is a > show stopper with the desktop distro., then I would be looking at > distributions from the same conceptual family, so if they know Debian, > I would look at say Ubuntu, or if they know Red Hat then a look at > Fedora/CentOS would be worth while. > > If they don't currently know a Linux distribution, then you are > starting at square one, and a range of arguments can be made for > different distributions. I would suggest your colleague stick with one > of the major distributions (more likely to include support / updates > for oddball laptop hardware), but comments on my part beyond that are > likely to trigger an unwanted flame war... > > > Colin McGregor > > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > > > bob > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists Thanks for all the responses so far. I guess my question was not so much about merits of any given distro, but rather which distro would stand the best chance of installing and discovering/enabling all the hardware on the HP laptop with the minimum of fuss. I seem to recall that HP products had a reputation for being less than Linux friendly, although my experience with them is now quite dated. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 20:37:45 2012 From: ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Ori Idan) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 22:37:45 +0200 Subject: Google goes back to the 60s In-Reply-To: <50CB7E0A.7090001-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20121213153704.74f3f83b@herring_sucker.example.net> <50CB7C1E.4060303@ve3syb.ca> <50CB7E0A.7090001@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:29 PM, James Knott wrote: > Kevin Cozens wrote: > >> Try not to spend all day there. ;-> >>> >> >> What second screen? I only see the search entry page with the punchcard >> and keypunch machine and search results from an older type printer. >> > > Click on the white button on the second screen. Also, on the keypunch > screen, enter spacewars and hit enter. Follow the instructions. > > It also took me a while to understand. After clicking the search term hit the "Enter" key and it will switch to the second screen where you can see the white button above the green button. -- Ori Idan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 21:04:59 2012 From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:04:59 -0500 Subject: what is the best distro for HP laptop? In-Reply-To: References: <1591760.C4fa3d1zMv@bob-kubuntu> Message-ID: <50CB947B.2040008@sobac.com> And one other thing to keep in mind: If you ask for help from a friend/relative/coworker, what distro are *they* most comfortable with? This mostly applies to people just starting out, who have no previous preferences. Anyone can learn anything, given enough time and motivation. --Bob. On 12-12-14 12:43 PM, William Weaver wrote: > Personal opinion, but I find doing a distro tour every few years teaches me > a few new things about myself each time. I did one when I first started > linux and I loved KDE and Mint. I used debian pure for my server > environment as they suited my needs and wants at the time. Tastes change. > Distros go in different directions than people's wants. Personally like to > hop to whatever strikes my fancy, and I fully expect that in another 8 > years I'm going to have very different needs than I do now. I may be to the > point that I don't want anything on my computer that I didn't run a make > command on myself. I may be building from scratch. I may not have the time > to mess around so I may be looking for a "just works" distrobution, maybe > hardware will be a constraint. Who knows. But from a personal point of view > I feel that it's great to have preferences, but always be ready to go to > greener pastures, plus it never hurts to be able to jump ship into an > office environment and be able to say I'm comfortable with Linux as a > whole, and not I'm comfortable with RedHat or Debian or Arch. Nomatter how > much you know you kind of look silly the first time you go to install a > package and you don't know that the package manager in RedHat is yum and > not apt. > > Just my two advocating doing a distro tour even if you are > familiar/preferential to a distro. You can always do something where you > try one of each of the "cores" something Debian, something RedHat, > something Slackware, something Ubuntu, and the like, then branch off with > flavors of something you like, for example Ubuntu vs. Mint vs. Bhodi and > all the other flavors of our favorites. I really feel that it enhances the > base knowledge of the user just knowing the bredth of everything out there. > You have to figure if there is a distro, and it's being maintained by > someone and has a user base, there has to be a reason those people are > using it. Nobody chooses a distro because it's a flaming pile of crap. > > Will > > > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Marcelo Cavalcante > wrote: > >> I think the big question here should be: >> >> Which distro do you use and feel confortable with? >> >> I think that's the point you should look for. >> >> If you're used to OpenSuse and know how stuff works in this distro, and >> you listen (or read o.O) to me when I say "You should use Arch Linux on >> your HP machine, it rocks!", perhaps you'll just find a lot of problems >> like: What is this file doing here? How can I start this service? Why is it >> asking me to identify this daemon? etc.. >> >> Perhaps, in this case, Arch won't be the best distro for YOUR HP machine, >> because it will just give you problems to solve (and makes you waste your >> time). But (just for joke) if you send me this machine as a christmas gift, >> I would say that Arch is the best distro for this machine, because now it's >> not about YOUR HP machine, but about MY HP machine. >> >> BUT (a huge "but") you're not used to any distro, you should pay attention >> on what Colin and William are writing about. Perhaps it's time to read >> about some distros, check the differences, test a few of them, etc. >> >> It's really up to you. You're the only one who could say which distro >> would be better for your machine. >> >> best, >> >> =================================================== >> >> Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha - Kalib >> >> Graduando em Sistemas de Informa??es - EST?CIO/FIC >> Usu?rio Linux #407564 | Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 >> Fortaleza - Cear? - Brazil >> Celular: +55 085 87620983 >> Certifica??es: ITIL V3 >> | CSM | LPI-C1 | >> LPI-C2 | LPI-C3 | Novell CLA >> Minha Pessoa: Blog >> Projetos: Tux-CE | Archlinux-br >> | Chakra | KDE Brasil >> | TLUG | PUG-CE >> >> =================================================== >> >> >> Proteja meu endere?o como estou protegendo o seu. >> N?o revele e-mail dos correspondentes: use Cco (Copia Carbonada Oculta). >> Retire os endere?os antes de reenviar. Dificulte assim a >> dissemina??o de v?rus e spam. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:58 AM, bob295 wrote: >>>> A colleague of mine has acquired a used HP laptop (HP Pavilion dv9000 >>> AMD >>>> Turion 64 x2 Mobile Tech TL-52 x2 1600 MHz). >>>> >>>> Any suggestions on what Linux distro would be best for this machine? >>> If you were to ask 20 people "What the best flavour of ice cream?", >>> you could get 20 legitimate, but different answers. >>> >>> I run Debian on my laptop, which for some is arguably not the "best", >>> but I have been running Debian on my desktop, so I am familiar with >>> where things are, how things are organized etc.. So, is your colleague >>> familiar with a major distribution currently? That is where I would >>> start, any MAJOR Linux distribution should be okay on a laptop, and >>> the ease of transition from desktop to laptop could well be worth any >>> minor defects the disto. has in dealing with laptops. If there is a >>> show stopper with the desktop distro., then I would be looking at >>> distributions from the same conceptual family, so if they know Debian, >>> I would look at say Ubuntu, or if they know Red Hat then a look at >>> Fedora/CentOS would be worth while. >>> >>> If they don't currently know a Linux distribution, then you are >>> starting at square one, and a range of arguments can be made for >>> different distributions. I would suggest your colleague stick with one >>> of the major distributions (more likely to include support / updates >>> for oddball laptop hardware), but comments on my part beyond that are >>> likely to trigger an unwanted flame war... >>> >>> >>> Colin McGregor >>> >>>> Thanks in advance for your help. >>>> >>>> bob >>>> -- >>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 22:00:47 2012 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:00:47 -0500 Subject: what is the best distro for HP laptop? In-Reply-To: <3736022.Whk0JFVqj3@bob-kubuntu> References: <1591760.C4fa3d1zMv@bob-kubuntu> <3736022.Whk0JFVqj3@bob-kubuntu> Message-ID: Well, the "famous flavours" of Linux (let's say, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, CentOS, Arch) are reasonably likely to have broad enough support going on that they all have a decent chance of including suitable drivers for old-ish laptops. It's worth taking a peek at a Linux Laptops site. I see several entries for the DV9000T < http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hp.html> That suggests that Fedora and Mandriva are distributions that people have used, albeit with old-ish versions, back around 2006. For laptops, it's well worth looking to resources like linux-on-laptops.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 22:48:18 2012 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: what is the best distro for HP laptop? In-Reply-To: <3736022.Whk0JFVqj3@bob-kubuntu> References: <1591760.C4fa3d1zMv@bob-kubuntu> <3736022.Whk0JFVqj3@bob-kubuntu> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Dec 2012, bob295 wrote: > On December 14, 2012 11:21:07 AM you wrote: ... > I seem to recall that HP products had a reputation for being less than Linux > friendly, although my experience with them is now quite dated. I'm running Mandriva on an HP/Compaq nx6325. I had a little problem at first finding the necessary WiFi drivers, but once I had them, everything has been smooth sailing. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From williamdweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 14 22:57:50 2012 From: williamdweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Weaver) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:57:50 -0500 Subject: what is the best distro for HP laptop? In-Reply-To: References: <1591760.C4fa3d1zMv@bob-kubuntu> <3736022.Whk0JFVqj3@bob-kubuntu> Message-ID: I believe back in the day they were using Broadcom wifi chips and when it was still pretty new the ndiswrapper was a pain to configure. That's what gave alot of those laptops a bad rap. Will W On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 14 Dec 2012, bob295 wrote: > > On December 14, 2012 11:21:07 AM you wrote: >> > ... > > I seem to recall that HP products had a reputation for being less than >> Linux >> friendly, although my experience with them is now quite dated. >> > > I'm running Mandriva on an HP/Compaq nx6325. I had a little problem > at first finding the necessary WiFi drivers, but once I had them, > everything has been smooth sailing. > > -- > Chris F.A. Johnson, > Author: > Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) > Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Everything seems to work fine strait from the install, with no additional effort on my part. I don't know if the modem works, though. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 17:02:56 2012 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:02:56 -0500 Subject: Cubox? Linux 3.7 released, bringing generic ARM support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well I want to try something a little more generic and up to date. That installer is still based on Ubuntu 10.04. Ideally I would prefer Debian, then I can just install XBMC from repo. IIRC it has already been packaged for ARM in Debian, but I might be confused. In any case, that would be very nice if someone could help me get any installer on an SD card. I realize this is probably a bad time tho. I can leave it til new year. On 2012-12-14 12:52 PM, "William Weaver" wrote: > With that in mind it looks like SolidRun has a few prebuilts with XBMC > that you can give a shot. > > http://www.solid-run.com/mw/index.php/XBMC_on_CuBox > > It may be a good place to get started. You can flash this get it up and > running and see if it meets your needs, if not can it and reflash. > > If flashing is an issue I'm certain someone will be willing to flash the > card for you. I live in the down town core and if you took the drive/subway > to grab it I would, though you may be able to find someone closer. > > Will > > > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Thomas Milne < > thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> >> On 2012-12-14 11:56 AM, "D. Hugh Redelmeier" wrote: >> > >> > | From: Thomas Milne >> > >> > | I am currently without a computer since they all died at once and I am >> > | jobless. >> > | >> > | So I am using my Cubox to do basic stuff, but running Ubuntu 10 it is >> very >> > | slow. >> > >> > If I remember correctly, Lennart is a local expert on the Cubox. >> > >> > >> > There is no "Ubuntu 10". There is 10.04 LTS and 10.10, but those are >> > distinct. >> >> Sorry, you're right. Just being lazy since I have to type e-mails on my >> cell phone telephone :-) >> >> > What is it slow doing? Why? >> >> The worst part is web browsing. It is unbearable. Now that is likely in >> large part because of limited memory, but surely it would at least be more >> useable if I could get better use of the ARM processor with newer Linux >> version. My understanding is that the Ubuntu on there now does slow >> software emulation of hardware operations. >> >> > As far as I know, the major thing that *might* get sped up in another >> > distro is floating point. Most programs don't care about FP >> > performance, but a few care a lot -- do you run any of those? >> >> Basically I was hoping for a couple of basic functions: web browsing and >> media player, primarily with XBMC. As it is, the Cubox works very well just >> moving files around on network and running Transmission. >> >> > My perception is that these little devices are sometimes slow because: >> > >> > - the memory interface is narrower than a PC's so memory bandwidth is >> > bad >> >> Ya, not expecting to run Firefox with like 50 tabs open. >> >> > - 1 ARM MIP < 1 x86 MIP for modern x86 implementations >> > >> > - most I/O is funneled through USB 2.x (example: ethernet on >> > RaspberryPI) (example: all disk I/O) >> > >> > - I think that SD cards (except perhaps the fastest) are slower than >> > hard drives even if USB isn't the bottleneck >> > >> > - video drivers are crap since there are no high-performance open source >> > video drivers for any ARM display subsystem yet >> > >> > - not enough RAM (new desktops start at 4G; most ARM systems stop at >> > 1G) >> > >> > | Will this 3.7 kernel mean that Linux will now run on Cubox with normal >> > | install? I know Debian won't have the 3.7 kernel for a while. >> > >> > Who knows. It is a future direction so it may not be embraced by old >> > products. Too many embedded systems are "fire and forget" by their >> > producers. I don't have any knowledge of the Cubox folks intention. >> > You could ask them. >> > >> > | And since I do not have a Linux desktop I can't do any of the tricks >> > | to get a newer Linux on Cubox. >> > >> > Surely we can help there. >> > >> > Where are you? What does it involve/require (time, equipment, >> > expertise, risks)? >> >> Well I'm fairly experienced with Linux in general but not a professional. >> I can install it myself, but I'm not sure how to go about that as all >> instructions I read say I need another Linux computer besides Cubox :-/ >> >> I suppose ideally I would buy a good SD card and some kind soul would >> help me load some bootable install routine on it. >> >> I am in south etobicoke but I have a vehicle. >> >> Apologies for terrible line wrap/quoting on my phone. >> >> > -- >> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 17:04:44 2012 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:04:44 -0500 Subject: Cubox? Linux 3.7 released, bringing generic ARM support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is what I had in mind, the HFP version: http://goo.gl/kKOr1 On 2012-12-14 12:52 PM, "William Weaver" wrote: > With that in mind it looks like SolidRun has a few prebuilts with XBMC > that you can give a shot. > > http://www.solid-run.com/mw/index.php/XBMC_on_CuBox > > It may be a good place to get started. You can flash this get it up and > running and see if it meets your needs, if not can it and reflash. > > If flashing is an issue I'm certain someone will be willing to flash the > card for you. I live in the down town core and if you took the drive/subway > to grab it I would, though you may be able to find someone closer. > > Will > > > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Thomas Milne < > thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> >> On 2012-12-14 11:56 AM, "D. Hugh Redelmeier" wrote: >> > >> > | From: Thomas Milne >> > >> > | I am currently without a computer since they all died at once and I am >> > | jobless. >> > | >> > | So I am using my Cubox to do basic stuff, but running Ubuntu 10 it is >> very >> > | slow. >> > >> > If I remember correctly, Lennart is a local expert on the Cubox. >> > >> > >> > There is no "Ubuntu 10". There is 10.04 LTS and 10.10, but those are >> > distinct. >> >> Sorry, you're right. Just being lazy since I have to type e-mails on my >> cell phone telephone :-) >> >> > What is it slow doing? Why? >> >> The worst part is web browsing. It is unbearable. Now that is likely in >> large part because of limited memory, but surely it would at least be more >> useable if I could get better use of the ARM processor with newer Linux >> version. My understanding is that the Ubuntu on there now does slow >> software emulation of hardware operations. >> >> > As far as I know, the major thing that *might* get sped up in another >> > distro is floating point. Most programs don't care about FP >> > performance, but a few care a lot -- do you run any of those? >> >> Basically I was hoping for a couple of basic functions: web browsing and >> media player, primarily with XBMC. As it is, the Cubox works very well just >> moving files around on network and running Transmission. >> >> > My perception is that these little devices are sometimes slow because: >> > >> > - the memory interface is narrower than a PC's so memory bandwidth is >> > bad >> >> Ya, not expecting to run Firefox with like 50 tabs open. >> >> > - 1 ARM MIP < 1 x86 MIP for modern x86 implementations >> > >> > - most I/O is funneled through USB 2.x (example: ethernet on >> > RaspberryPI) (example: all disk I/O) >> > >> > - I think that SD cards (except perhaps the fastest) are slower than >> > hard drives even if USB isn't the bottleneck >> > >> > - video drivers are crap since there are no high-performance open source >> > video drivers for any ARM display subsystem yet >> > >> > - not enough RAM (new desktops start at 4G; most ARM systems stop at >> > 1G) >> > >> > | Will this 3.7 kernel mean that Linux will now run on Cubox with normal >> > | install? I know Debian won't have the 3.7 kernel for a while. >> > >> > Who knows. It is a future direction so it may not be embraced by old >> > products. Too many embedded systems are "fire and forget" by their >> > producers. I don't have any knowledge of the Cubox folks intention. >> > You could ask them. >> > >> > | And since I do not have a Linux desktop I can't do any of the tricks >> > | to get a newer Linux on Cubox. >> > >> > Surely we can help there. >> > >> > Where are you? What does it involve/require (time, equipment, >> > expertise, risks)? >> >> Well I'm fairly experienced with Linux in general but not a professional. >> I can install it myself, but I'm not sure how to go about that as all >> instructions I read say I need another Linux computer besides Cubox :-/ >> >> I suppose ideally I would buy a good SD card and some kind soul would >> help me load some bootable install routine on it. >> >> I am in south etobicoke but I have a vehicle. >> >> Apologies for terrible line wrap/quoting on my phone. >> >> > -- >> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 18:23:23 2012 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:23:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: Cubox? Linux 3.7 released, bringing generic ARM support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Thomas Milne | In any case, that would be very nice if someone could help me get any | installer on an SD card. I realize this is probably a bad time tho. I can | leave it til new year. | This is what I had in mind, the HFP version: | | http://goo.gl/kKOr1 == It looks pretty easy to "prepare an SD card". Can mkimage be run on your current Cubox? If so, you should be able to prepare the SD card yourself. If it cannot be run on the Cubox, that seems like a bug to fix or a worthwhile project. In any case, if all you want a PC for is to do the steps up to and including "Prepare an SD card", that would seem to take very little time. Alternatively, someone (me?) could prepare the SD card image for you to download and then dd to an SD card. Or maybe you could do it via a remote login to a debian box. Am I missing something? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 18:30:40 2012 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:30:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Cubox? Linux 3.7 released, bringing generic ARM support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Thomas Milne | The worst part is web browsing. It is unbearable. Now that is likely in | large part because of limited memory, Turn off Flash? Suppress much javascript (not sure the best way)? Plain old HTTP isn't too stressful. What seems slow about it? Fetching pages? Rendering? Refressing? Each might suggest a different bottleneck (networking, processing, video). Do you have any swap enabled? Is it being used? | but surely it would at least be more | useable if I could get better use of the ARM processor with newer Linux | version. That would not be my expectation, but that is just a guess. | My understanding is that the Ubuntu on there now does slow | software emulation of hardware operations. Emulation of what hardware operations? Floating point? Scott said: The Cubox SoC is a ARMv7 instruction set, which means it has a mandatory hardware floating-point unit. It's also why Ubuntu works on it as Ubuntu's developers have choose only to support ARMv7 architecture and above. Do you have a reference that supports your understanding? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 18:46:30 2012 From: sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org (sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:46:30 -0500 Subject: Google goes back to the 60s In-Reply-To: <20121213153704.74f3f83b@herring_sucker.example.net> References: <20121213153704.74f3f83b@herring_sucker.example.net> Message-ID: What I like is when they make a like of stars to make a horizontal line on the lineprinter, there are even random imperfections introduced as to how the stars line up. So, on a 300-baud (or thereabouts) lineprinter, it takes about 5-7 minutes to print a 1-page (8 hits) output ... ? I remember it being faster, but I used line printers from the early '80s, not the '60s. Did they have bi-directional printing heads in the '60s? Paul King > Tim Berners-Lee tweeted this page at http://www.masswerk.at/google60/ . > When you get to the second screen, press the white button for options. > > Try not to spend all day there. ;-> > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 19:04:01 2012 From: sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org (sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:04:01 -0500 Subject: what is the best distro for HP laptop? In-Reply-To: References: <1591760.C4fa3d1zMv@bob-kubuntu> Message-ID: The HP TX2 laptop I have runs Manjaro Linux, the only distro I know of which recognizes all (or most) of my gizmos, such as touchscreen, finger/pen input, touchpad, wireless, and so on. Even Mint was too unreliable, and did not recognize wireless. All linux distros I've tried suffer from making my mouse pointer "nervous" --- going to random places on screen and sometimes (not always) invoking radom point-and-click events. While Manjaro was the best for me, it also suffers from being a small, young distro, with an uncommon package manager, and compression format. They allow you to burn a bootable image to test it out. I was interested in smaller distros due to my inability to afford much room on my hard drive for dual-boot. I attempted to rate these small distros on my blog: http://tinyurl.com/cbk5vh3 Here are some further comments and observations about Manjaro: http://tinyurl.com/cgwmfke Commentary on the Top 100 (as of earlier this year) distros from DistroWatch: http://tinyurl.com/cwlal8r Paul > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:58 AM, bob295 wrote: >> A colleague of mine has acquired a used HP laptop (HP Pavilion dv9000 >> AMD >> Turion 64 x2 Mobile Tech TL-52 x2 1600 MHz). >> >> Any suggestions on what Linux distro would be best for this machine? > > If you were to ask 20 people "What the best flavour of ice cream?", > you could get 20 legitimate, but different answers. > > I run Debian on my laptop, which for some is arguably not the "best", > but I have been running Debian on my desktop, so I am familiar with > where things are, how things are organized etc.. So, is your colleague > familiar with a major distribution currently? That is where I would > start, any MAJOR Linux distribution should be okay on a laptop, and > the ease of transition from desktop to laptop could well be worth any > minor defects the disto. has in dealing with laptops. If there is a > show stopper with the desktop distro., then I would be looking at > distributions from the same conceptual family, so if they know Debian, > I would look at say Ubuntu, or if they know Red Hat then a look at > Fedora/CentOS would be worth while. > > If they don't currently know a Linux distribution, then you are > starting at square one, and a range of arguments can be made for > different distributions. I would suggest your colleague stick with one > of the major distributions (more likely to include support / updates > for oddball laptop hardware), but comments on my part beyond that are > likely to trigger an unwanted flame war... > > > Colin McGregor > >> Thanks in advance for your help. >> >> bob >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 15 19:39:15 2012 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:39:15 -0500 Subject: Google goes back to the 60s In-Reply-To: References: <20121213153704.74f3f83b@herring_sucker.example.net> Message-ID: <50CCD1E3.4090101@rogers.com> sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org wrote: > What I like is when they make a like of stars to make a horizontal line on > the lineprinter, there are even random imperfections introduced as to how > the stars line up. > > So, on a 300-baud (or thereabouts) lineprinter, it takes about 5-7 minutes > to print a 1-page (8 hits) output ... ? I remember it being faster, but I > used line printers from the early '80s, not the '60s. Did they have > bi-directional printing heads in the '60s? I don't recall bi-directional printing before dot matrix printers. The big systems used drum printers, where there were rows of characters around a cylinder. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 16 15:46:49 2012 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 10:46:49 -0500 Subject: Google goes back to the 60s In-Reply-To: <50CCD1E3.4090101-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20121213153704.74f3f83b@herring_sucker.example.net> <50CCD1E3.4090101@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 15 December 2012 14:39, James Knott wrote: > I don't recall bi-directional printing before dot matrix printers. Some daisywheels were capable of bi-directional printing but time wise, maybe not before dot matrix. > The big systems used drum printers, where there were rows of > characters around a cylinder. Or chain or band printers. The staple high speed printers used by the company I worked for in the early days were Printronix P600 comb printers. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 16 16:19:21 2012 From: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Clive DaSilva) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:19:21 -0500 Subject: what is the best distro for HP laptop? In-Reply-To: References: <1591760.C4fa3d1zMv@bob-kubuntu> <3736022.Whk0JFVqj3@bob-kubuntu> Message-ID: <002101cddba9$1b880f30$52982d90$@iprimus.ca> I inherited an older Dell Precision M60 from my wife. My experience that any Ubuntu distro (pre-Unity) works really well. Right now, I am running Fedora 17 on it and it flies as did OpenSuse 11.0 and onwards. Linuxmint (any version) also works really well My two bits -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Scott Allen Sent: December-14-12 6:21 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: what is the best distro for HP laptop? On 14 December 2012 15:12, bob295 wrote: > Thanks for all the responses so far. I guess my question was not so much > about merits of any given distro, but rather which distro would stand > the best chance of installing and discovering/enabling all the > hardware on the HP laptop with the minimum of fuss. I've got Ubuntu 10.10 (upgraded from 10.04) running on an old HP nx6120. Everything seems to work fine strait from the install, with no additional effort on my part. I don't know if the modem works, though. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 16 22:06:36 2012 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:06:36 -0500 Subject: February 30th, 1712 and databases... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20121216220635.GA11121@waltdnes.org> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 03:15:46PM -0500, William Porquet wrote > Just a bit more details on the potential 2038 Unix time issues... > > http://maul.deepsky.com/~merovech/2038.html > > Written by Yours Truly. > > Cheers, > William I tried 2038.pl on a couple of my machines. "d531" runs 32-bit Gentoo and "i3" runs 64-bit Gentoo. The 64-bit machine works, the 32-bit machine rolls over. IANACP (I Am Not A C Programmer). How difficult is it to implement 64-bit time in a 32-bit architecture? Also, given http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/12/12/1414238/linux-nukes-386-support that linux has recently dropped support for i386, how long before it drops support for 32-bit mode entirely? We've got approximately 25 years and 1 month to go. [d531][waltdnes][~] ./2038.pl Tue Jan 19 03:14:01 2038 Tue Jan 19 03:14:02 2038 Tue Jan 19 03:14:03 2038 Tue Jan 19 03:14:04 2038 Tue Jan 19 03:14:05 2038 Tue Jan 19 03:14:06 2038 Tue Jan 19 03:14:07 2038 Fri Dec 13 20:45:52 1901 Fri Dec 13 20:45:52 1901 Fri Dec 13 20:45:52 1901 [i3][waltdnes][~] ./2038.pl Tue Jan 19 03:14:01 2038 Tue Jan 19 03:14:02 2038 Tue Jan 19 03:14:03 2038 Tue Jan 19 03:14:04 2038 Tue Jan 19 03:14:05 2038 Tue Jan 19 03:14:06 2038 Tue Jan 19 03:14:07 2038 Tue Jan 19 03:14:08 2038 Tue Jan 19 03:14:09 2038 Tue Jan 19 03:14:10 2038 -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 17 00:35:25 2012 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:35:25 -0500 Subject: February 30th, 1712 and databases... In-Reply-To: <20121216220635.GA11121-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20121216220635.GA11121@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <50CE68CD.7010009@gmail.com> On 16-12-12 17:06 , Walter Dnes wrote: > > ... The 64-bit machine works, the 32-bit machine rolls over. This script only tells half the story. My Raspberry Pi (32 bit) runs it fine will no rollover, but if your turn ntpd off and set the date to a few seconds before Y2038 with this command: sudo date --utc --set='@2147483641' the system date very soon rolls over to Fri Dec 13 15:48 EST 1901. cheers, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 17 01:28:56 2012 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:28:56 -0500 Subject: What could a lamp running LAMP do for you? Light by Morse Cloud In-Reply-To: <50CE7448.80004-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <50CE7448.80004@ss.org> Message-ID: <50CE7558.30909@ss.org> What could you do with a lamp running a LAMP stack, on open hardware and open source? Well that's the question Morse Cloud intends to answer. These folks have been busy building more and more demonstration apps of what is possible with this they have built. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMD8vT6uUlE As a small computer with great physical appeal it makes a wonderful centre and control point for home automation or monitoring. Use it as the point of control for networked LFX or Hue RGB LED light bulbs. Or you could find out when your build fails in a continuous-integration coding environment. Great for the office. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcg9QF6ASbE The have improved the design to also be battery powered, meaning you can take it on the go. Take a moment to consider supporting this amazing project. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cloudlight/light-1 -- Scott Sullivan _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion-bZJqt4gKw0c7ffcWftdZcQ at public.gmane.org http://lists.hacklab.to/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussion This is a private list. Make sure you get express permission from the authors before you forward any messages elsewhere. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 17 02:30:25 2012 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:30:25 -0500 Subject: Cubox? Linux 3.7 released, bringing generic ARM support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20121217023025.GA1769@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:54:21AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > If I remember correctly, Lennart is a local expert on the Cubox. Well I have one now, but haven't had time to do much with it yet. i have worked a lot with arm in general though. > There is no "Ubuntu 10". There is 10.04 LTS and 10.10, but those are > distinct. > > What is it slow doing? Why? > > As far as I know, the major thing that *might* get sped up in another > distro is floating point. Most programs don't care about FP > performance, but a few care a lot -- do you run any of those? Like perl. > My perception is that these little devices are sometimes slow because: > > - the memory interface is narrower than a PC's so memory bandwidth is > bad > > - 1 ARM MIP < 1 x86 MIP for modern x86 implementations Depends on the generation of arm. The Cortex A8 yes, the A9 probably not. > - most I/O is funneled through USB 2.x (example: ethernet on > RaspberryPI) (example: all disk I/O) That's just stupid design. That makes things very slow. > - I think that SD cards (except perhaps the fastest) are slower than > hard drives even if USB isn't the bottleneck SD cards are often slow and the interfaces tend to be cpu intensive. On my imx53 I use SATA rather than the microSD which makes it much faster. > - video drivers are crap since there are no high-performance open source > video drivers for any ARM display subsystem yet Unfortunately true so far. > - not enough RAM (new desktops start at 4G; most ARM systems stop at > 1G) A few seem to have 2GB now. Next year should see some systems with a lot more now that server chips based on the Cortex A15 are becoming available. > Who knows. It is a future direction so it may not be embraced by old > products. Too many embedded systems are "fire and forget" by their > producers. I don't have any knowledge of the Cubox folks intention. > You could ask them. > > Surely we can help there. > > Where are you? What does it involve/require (time, equipment, > expertise, risks)? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 17 02:32:54 2012 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:32:54 -0500 Subject: Cubox? Linux 3.7 released, bringing generic ARM support In-Reply-To: <50CB5E28.5020306-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <50CB5E28.5020306@ss.org> Message-ID: <20121217023254.GB1769@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:13:12PM -0500, Scott Sullivan wrote: > The Cubox SoC is a ARMv7 instruction set, which means it has a > mandatory hardware floating-point unit. It's also why Ubuntu works > on it as Ubuntu's developers have choose only to support ARMv7 > architecture and above. The main reason for ARMv7 is that it supports thumb2 instruction set. That reduces code size, saves memory bandwidth and cache, which helps performance. ARMv6 does almost everything ARMv7 does, but not thumb2. > The Cubox is fortunately equipped with 1G of ram, but core CPU speed > is much lower then it's peers at a partly 800Mhz. > > http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7 > > The ease of installation we see on x86 dervied systems has to do > with the consistent boot environment provided by the BIOS. There is > no equivalent in the ARM SoC world and this is complicated by the > genuine competition in the market as their are literally dozen of > CPU design companies, and hundreds of board design companies. To > contrast, there is only really 3 x86 CPU designers (Intel, AMD and > Via) and only much smaller cabal of board designers. Would be nice if something got a bit more consistent. Open firmware with devicetree would be nice. I suspect that will start to happen now that servers are starting to be built. > The closest that comes a BIOS is uboot, but that also does the job > of a boot loader (so it's part BIOS part Grub). But there are plenty > of board designers that don't use uboot, or fork versions of uboot > with limited and inconsistent feature sets that they don't merge > back. Then there are devices like the Raspberry that does something > completely different. > > So, the community is still coming to grips with all of this. The 3.7 > kernel work is the first major foundation effort to bring make the > kernel agile in the face of all of this and allow the maintainers > and board designers to build on a leverage more common code. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 17 04:01:30 2012 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 23:01:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Cubox? Linux 3.7 released, bringing generic ARM support In-Reply-To: <50CB5E28.5020306-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <50CB5E28.5020306@ss.org> Message-ID: | From: Scott Sullivan | On 12/14/2012 11:54 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > | From: Thomas Milne | > As far as I know, the major thing that *might* get sped up in another | > distro is floating point. Most programs don't care about FP | > performance, but a few care a lot -- do you run any of those? | | The Cubox SoC is a ARMv7 instruction set, which means it has a mandatory | hardware floating-point unit. It's also why Ubuntu works on it as Ubuntu's | developers have choose only to support ARMv7 architecture and above. Good to know. That means that my FP hypothesis is wrong. | > My perception is that these little devices are sometimes slow because: | [...] | > - not enough RAM (new desktops start at 4G; most ARM systems stop at | > 1G) | | The Cubox is fortunately equipped with 1G of ram, but core CPU speed is much | lower then it's peers at a partly 800Mhz. Based on my own experience, the difference between 800 MHz and 1GHz or 1.2GHz isn't intrusive. It is unlikely that you'd get frustrated by the user experience difference. Gamers and the like could be an exception. | The ease of installation we see on x86 dervied systems has to do with the | consistent boot environment provided by the BIOS. Yes. But not just the boot environment. The ACPI mechanism (part of what is loosely called the BIOS) is important too: it lets the OS do generic operations on the specific hardware without having to create an 8088 runtime environment, long after booting. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 17 14:26:16 2012 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:26:16 -0500 Subject: list problems? In-Reply-To: References: <50BF7F77.2020308@ss.org> Message-ID: > I actually review my mail box and found the very same lull in message. I guess we we're all to busy watching Season Finale of the Rob Ford Soap Opera. > > > I see the same lull, too. Remember, after a season finale, they always turn a popular train wreck into a Season 2... > > -- I read about Ford issues the other day and someone brought up a hypothesis that its not a Ford problem but the idea of joining the Toronto and town around it. Apparently, their needs are never going to be similar and hence the constant bickering. Kind of make sense. Actually remind me of another such bad idea. The EU. Think the initial EU kernel was a fine idea, but then someone decided to step up the idea and the results is not petty. William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 06:32:37 2012 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 01:32:37 -0500 Subject: What could a lamp running LAMP do for you? Light by Morse Cloud In-Reply-To: <50CE7558.30909-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <50CE7448.80004@ss.org> <50CE7558.30909@ss.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Scott Sullivan wrote: > What could you do with a lamp running a LAMP stack, on open hardware and > open source? Well that's the question Morse Cloud intends to answer. Well, here is another LAMP that strikes me as more interesting (the joy of servo motors in the LAMP :-) ) : http://vimeo.com/53476316 Colin > These folks have been busy building more and more demonstration apps of > what is possible with this they have built. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMD8vT6uUlE > > As a small computer with great physical appeal it makes a wonderful > centre and control point for home automation or monitoring. Use it as > the point of control for networked LFX or Hue RGB LED light bulbs. > > Or you could find out when your build fails in a continuous-integration > coding environment. Great for the office. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcg9QF6ASbE > > The have improved the design to also be battery powered, meaning you can > take it on the go. > > Take a moment to consider supporting this amazing project. > > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cloudlight/light-1 > > -- > Scott Sullivan > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion-bZJqt4gKw0c7ffcWftdZcQ at public.gmane.org > http://lists.hacklab.to/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussion > > This is a private list. Make sure you get express permission from the > authors before you forward any messages elsewhere. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Message-ID: <50D0A3AD.7050807@gmail.com> A friend asked for advice where to buy a .ca domain name. All suggestions are welcome. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 17:16:28 2012 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:16:28 -0500 Subject: What Good .ca Domain Name Providers are There? In-Reply-To: <50D0A3AD.7050807-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <50D0A3AD.7050807@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've been using Gandi.net as my registrar and have been quite pleased with them. Not as cheap as GoDaddy, but Gandi also seems to respect their users ( https://www.gandi.net/no-bullshit ) and they support lots of open source projects. Good enough for the EFF is a good hint that they're good enough for me. -jason On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > A friend asked for advice where to buy a .ca domain name. All suggestions > are welcome. > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/**Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shane-abz+RtKofAfQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 17:23:43 2012 From: shane-abz+RtKofAfQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Shane Powell) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:23:43 -0500 Subject: Linux help installing redhat harddrive into another computer and Message-ID: We have an old accounting software that is Linux based (redhat). We had it networked with a dedicated IP that we used an old terminal software to access it. The desktop hardware just crapped out. We tried to move the harddrive into another computer but ran into configuration issues... we can't get the kernal to recognize the ethernet adapter to connect to our network and give us an IP so we can update the terminal software access script. The job to me sounds easy, but for some reason people are not able to help. I've been told that we need to add the specific driver module for the ethernet adapter to the linux kernel and recompile. This is fine, but then we need the existing accounting software to still be installed or to be reinstalled. Let me know, Shane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 17:29:47 2012 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:29:47 -0500 Subject: What Good .ca Domain Name Providers are There? In-Reply-To: <50D0A3AD.7050807-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <50D0A3AD.7050807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50D0A80B.1090307@rogers.com> On 12-12-18 12:11 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > A friend asked for advice where to buy a .ca domain name. All > suggestions are welcome. > I use Netfirms. No issues. -- Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From williamdweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 17:35:02 2012 From: williamdweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Weaver) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:35:02 -0500 Subject: Linux help installing redhat harddrive into another computer and In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you pass along the NIC adapter information we can attempt to help you find the driver module you need, from there I think (never had to do this before) you should be able to just perform a modprobe to add the module in. As I said I've never had to do it before but I've added kernal modules for filesystems without recompiling. Will On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Shane Powell wrote: > We have an old accounting software that is Linux based (redhat). We had it > networked with a dedicated IP that we used an old terminal software to > access it. > > The desktop hardware just crapped out. We tried to move the harddrive into > another computer but ran into configuration issues... we can't get the > kernal to recognize the ethernet adapter to connect to our network and give > us an IP so we can update the terminal software access script. > > The job to me sounds easy, but for some reason people are not able to > help. I've been told that we need to add the specific driver module for the > ethernet adapter to the linux kernel and recompile. This is fine, but then > we need the existing accounting software to still be installed or to be > reinstalled. > > Let me know, > > Shane**** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 17:46:55 2012 From: lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:46:55 -0500 Subject: What Good .ca Domain Name Providers are There? In-Reply-To: <50D0A3AD.7050807-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <50D0A3AD.7050807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50D0AC0F.8000707@alteeve.ca> On 12/18/2012 12:11 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > A friend asked for advice where to buy a .ca domain name. All > suggestions are welcome. > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists domainsatcost.ca is who I've used for years/ -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 17:52:20 2012 From: instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Doucette) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:52:20 -0500 Subject: What Good .ca Domain Name Providers are There? In-Reply-To: <50D0A3AD.7050807-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <50D0A3AD.7050807@gmail.com> Message-ID: namespro.ca here, cheap and no issues. Also worth noting, don't go for those "private Whois" dealys, CIRA mandates that is already the case free of charge for Canadian citizens registering domains (not the case for business entities I don't think). On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > A friend asked for advice where to buy a .ca domain name. All suggestions > are welcome. > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/**Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aimass-EzYyMjUkBrFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 18:00:27 2012 From: aimass-EzYyMjUkBrFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Alejandro Imass) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:00:27 -0500 Subject: Linux help installing redhat harddrive into another computer and In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Shane Powell wrote: > We have an old accounting software that is Linux based (redhat). We had it > networked with a dedicated IP that we used an old terminal software to > access it. > > The desktop hardware just crapped out. We tried to move the harddrive into > another computer but ran into configuration issues... we can't get the > kernal to recognize the ethernet adapter to connect to our network and give > us an IP so we can update the terminal software access script. > > The job to me sounds easy, but for some reason people are not able to help. For people to help you need to ask the right questions with sufficient information (http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html): 1) the RedHat version and kernel version if you have it. If it's a RHE under license and support you can obtain support from RedHat 2) an idea of the old hardware, including motherboard chipset and ethernet adapter details 3) an idea of the new hardware including the new ethernet NIC In general it sounds to met very unlikely that Linux will not recognize an ethernet adapter unless the kernel is extremely old or was compiled in such a way to exclude the most common adapters. If it's a *very old* kernel on a *very new* or strange hardware it could be the case but without more information we cannot help you. You can grab a "live" version of almost any modern Linux, BSD or other live system and boot the new hardware from CD to get this info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_live_CDs You will need to post the information above and at least the output of the command lspci to start. Best, -- Alejandro Imass -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From williamdweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 18:22:16 2012 From: williamdweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Weaver) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:22:16 -0500 Subject: Linux help installing redhat harddrive into another computer and In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since you said you're not overly familiar with linux I wanted to give you a few steps to follow, from there I/We should be able to give you an idea of what will need to be done and if you aren't comfortable doing it I can send you an estimated price for me to come to your location to resolve the issue. Once the computer is booted and you have logged in, you will need to access a terminal prompt. If you are in an GUI interface you can do this by running the terminal application after log in. Type the following commands exactly as below. You can google each one if you are interested in what they are doing. cd ~ dmesg > dmesg.log lspci > lspci.log >From here you will need to put a USB key into your machine and copy these files onto it. If you don't see your USB key pop up on the GUI when you plug it in (also called automounting) then we would need to go through the steps to mount it, which I can talk you through over the phone. Once you've copied over the files, email them to me. They will be found in your ~ directory which is also known as /home// With those logs I should have a decent idea of what the issues could be and what will be involved fixing them. Will On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Shane Powell wrote: > > We have an old accounting software that is Linux based (redhat). We had > it > > networked with a dedicated IP that we used an old terminal software to > > access it. > > > > The desktop hardware just crapped out. We tried to move the harddrive > into > > another computer but ran into configuration issues... we can't get the > > kernal to recognize the ethernet adapter to connect to our network and > give > > us an IP so we can update the terminal software access script. > > > > The job to me sounds easy, but for some reason people are not able to > help. > > For people to help you need to ask the right questions with sufficient > information (http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html): > > 1) the RedHat version and kernel version if you have it. If it's a RHE > under license and support you can obtain support from RedHat > 2) an idea of the old hardware, including motherboard chipset and > ethernet adapter details > 3) an idea of the new hardware including the new ethernet NIC > > In general it sounds to met very unlikely that Linux will not > recognize an ethernet adapter unless the kernel is extremely old or > was compiled in such a way to exclude the most common adapters. If > it's a *very old* kernel on a *very new* or strange hardware it could > be the case but without more information we cannot help you. > > You can grab a "live" version of almost any modern Linux, BSD or other > live system and boot the new hardware from CD to get this info. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_live_CDs > > You will need to post the information above and at least the output of > the command lspci to start. > > Best, > > -- > Alejandro Imass > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From torfree-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 18:27:58 2012 From: torfree-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 18:27:58 +0000 Subject: What Good .ca Domain Name Providers are There? In-Reply-To: <50D0A3AD.7050807-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> (Ivan Avery Frey's message of "Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:11:09 -0500") References: <50D0A3AD.7050807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <84txrj2p1t.fsf@free.fr> Ivan Avery Frey a ?crit profondement: | A friend asked for advice where to buy a .ca domain name. All | suggestions are welcome. > Using NO-IP here http://www.no-ip.co/m they are very reputable and I use them for DNS even when I do have a static IP Beware of Go-Daddy - they are a bunch of bandits -- Slackrat Flying the Flag of the English The Flag of Hengest and Horsa http://azurservers.com/images/whiteDragon.jpg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 18:29:58 2012 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:29:58 -0500 Subject: Linux help installing redhat harddrive into another computer and In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 18 December 2012 13:22, William Weaver wrote: > Since you said you're not overly familiar with linux I wanted to give you a > few steps to follow, from there I/We should be able to give you an idea of > what will need to be done and if you aren't comfortable doing it I can send > you an estimated price for me to come to your location to resolve the issue. > > Once the computer is booted and you have logged in, you will need to access > a terminal prompt. If you are in an GUI interface you can do this by running > the terminal application after log in. > > Type the following commands exactly as below. You can google each one if you > are interested in what they are doing. > > cd ~ > dmesg > dmesg.log > lspci > lspci.log > > From here you will need to put a USB key into your machine and copy these > files onto it. If you don't see your USB key pop up on the GUI when you plug > it in (also called automounting) then we would need to go through the steps > to mount it, which I can talk you through over the phone. > > Once you've copied over the files, email them to me. They will be found in > your ~ directory which is also known as /home// > > With those logs I should have a decent idea of what the issues could be and > what will be involved fixing them. > > Will > > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Alejandro Imass > wrote: >> >> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Shane Powell wrote: >> > We have an old accounting software that is Linux based (redhat). We had >> > it >> > networked with a dedicated IP that we used an old terminal software to >> > access it. >> > >> > The desktop hardware just crapped out. We tried to move the harddrive >> > into >> > another computer but ran into configuration issues... we can't get the >> > kernal to recognize the ethernet adapter to connect to our network and >> > give >> > us an IP so we can update the terminal software access script. >> > >> > The job to me sounds easy, but for some reason people are not able to >> > help. >> >> For people to help you need to ask the right questions with sufficient >> information (http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html): >> >> 1) the RedHat version and kernel version if you have it. If it's a RHE >> under license and support you can obtain support from RedHat >> 2) an idea of the old hardware, including motherboard chipset and >> ethernet adapter details >> 3) an idea of the new hardware including the new ethernet NIC >> >> In general it sounds to met very unlikely that Linux will not >> recognize an ethernet adapter unless the kernel is extremely old or >> was compiled in such a way to exclude the most common adapters. If >> it's a *very old* kernel on a *very new* or strange hardware it could >> be the case but without more information we cannot help you. >> >> You can grab a "live" version of almost any modern Linux, BSD or other >> live system and boot the new hardware from CD to get this info. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_live_CDs >> >> You will need to post the information above and at least the output of >> the command lspci to start. This may be totally off track but it's reminding me quite strongly of a problem I had a couple years ago (mentioned on this list) when I moved an HD from one machine to another. The new system set itself up as eth1 because there was already an eth0 (the old system network card) configured. Edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and lose the old eth entry (thanks to Lennart and Tyler for the solution). If this isn't the problem - sorry for clogging up the list. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From aimass-EzYyMjUkBrFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 18:45:15 2012 From: aimass-EzYyMjUkBrFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Alejandro Imass) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:45:15 -0500 Subject: Linux help installing redhat harddrive into another computer and In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Giles Orr wrote: > On 18 December 2012 13:22, William Weaver wrote: [...] > This may be totally off track but it's reminding me quite strongly of > a problem I had a couple years ago (mentioned on this list) when I > moved an HD from one machine to another. The new system set itself up > as eth1 because there was already an eth0 (the old system network > card) configured. Edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and > lose the old eth entry (thanks to Lennart and Tyler for the solution). > > If this isn't the problem - sorry for clogging up the list. Actually Giles, you are probably more on the right track than you think. IMHO, unless the RH is extremely old and/or the Kernel was specifically tailored to the old hardware, or the new hardware is extremely new or exotic, I cannot imagine that it cannot recognize a common ethernet NIC. If the OP can provide specific versions, lspci and dmesg as others have suggested, it should be quite easy to resolve. If he is able to boot with the old HD on the new HW then we also need uname -a to get an idea of what RH and Kernel version we are talking about. Best, -- Alejandro Imass -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 19:46:38 2012 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:46:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux help installing redhat harddrive into another computer and In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Shane Powell | We have an old accounting software that is Linux based (redhat). We had | it networked with a dedicated IP that we used an old terminal software | to access it. Could you tell us specifically the version of Red Hat Linux (very old) or Red Hat Enterprise Linux (more recent)? | The desktop hardware just crapped out. Step 0: make sure you have good backups BEFORE doing anything else. Imaging the disk is the best way, I would think. For one thing, you don't need your system to be live to accomplish this. - what hardware are you starting from? + disk size + RAM size + video card + ethernet card + motherboard + anything else interesting | We tried to move the harddrive | into another computer but ran into configuration issues... we can't get | the kernal to recognize the ethernet adapter to connect to our network | and give us an IP so we can update the terminal software access script. - what hardware are you trying to migrate to? | The job to me sounds easy, but for some reason people are not able to | help. What difficulties are they running into? If we know, we may avoid repeating the same problems. | I've been told that we need to add the specific driver module for | the ethernet adapter to the linux kernel and recompile. Compiling Linux kernels is rarely needed for Red Hat distros these days. | This is fine, | but then we need the existing accounting software to still be installed | or to be reinstalled. Any tricky license enforcement mechanisms? Sometimes these get in the way of migration. If you have a binary-only copy of the software, this too can block migration. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 18 20:01:21 2012 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:01:21 -0500 Subject: Linux help installing redhat harddrive into another computer and In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I imagine that this means that you're running a pretty old Linux flavour which compiled in specific network kernel device drivers, whereas in these modern days, distributions tend to compile them *all*, and keep them in /lib/modules/... where they may be referenced on demand. It's possible that if you build a fresh kernel, and specify the particular network device, it'll all be golden. My suspicion is that this is a situation which might be well-served by the use of virtualization. That is, to build an "image" of a Linux distribution that can run the software, and untie that from any particular hardware. It may take some struggle to build the VM, and to get that to the point of installing the accounting software onto it. Of course, after that point, you are pretty much immunized from hardware changes from then on (to double the metaphor a bit). This approach allows you to keep running the same old mouldy binaries until such time as the system suffers something worse, such as the 2038 problem... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 01:32:47 2012 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 20:32:47 -0500 Subject: Linux help installing redhat harddrive into another computer and In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20121218203247.8a0144a149acf485ae254ee9@eol.ca> On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:23:43 -0500 "Shane Powell" wrote: > We have an old accounting software that is Linux based (redhat). We had > it networked with a dedicated IP that we used an old terminal software > to access it. > > The desktop hardware just crapped out. We tried to move the harddrive > into another computer but ran into configuration issues... we can't get > the kernal to recognize the ethernet adapter to connect to our network > and give us an IP so we can update the terminal software access script. > > The job to me sounds easy, but for some reason people are not able to > help. I've been told that we need to add the specific driver module for > the ethernet adapter to the linux kernel and recompile. This is fine, > but then we need the existing accounting software to still be installed > or to be reinstalled. > > Let me know, > > Shane Shane, Is this a hard drive with an ethernet connection? I had a problem similar to that of Giles Orr. I swapped backup hard drives, and everything got weird. Eventually, I determined that my hard drive partitions were labelled. I had two home partitions and two userlocal partitions. My new backup drive was my old primary drive. I renamed the drive labels, and everthing was fine. My drives all renumbered themselves once, when I installed a new sound card. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard.gibson-PadmjKOQAFnQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org jhowardgibson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 17:22:06 2012 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 21:22:06 +0400 Subject: ubuntu when Ubuntu Software Center is dead Message-ID: <50D1F7BE.5090800@gmail.com> My last message discussed here to my positive use was about fan problem. Thanks. I learned something. Now, for a reason that I have no understanding of. The Ubuntu Software Center does not work, it crashes. Can I still install packages there? How? I have problem with siggen (which worked some time ago). Now it reports that there is no /dev/dsp What a s***t. I guess I can still install a debian packages. But How? I am on one side still by inertia interested in knowing how the system works, however, first of all, now, I care more how to DO the system to work, how to use it. http://nanolab.gu-unpk.ru/zbigniew/ zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 18:52:20 2012 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:52:20 -0500 Subject: Looking for suggestions about new computer power supply Message-ID: <50D20CE4.5060304@ve3syb.ca> Greetings, all. The power supply in my 4 to 5 year old HP m7680n seems to be on its way out. Usually I need to replace the supply due to the fan bearings wearing out. This time it is more than a fan problem. It won't turn on via the front power button and I've had occasional system lockups (and kernel crashes). The details of my computer can be found at http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00739902&cc=ca&dlc=en&lang=en&lc=en&product=3230688 The mother board has a 24 pin (main power) and a 4-pin connector on it. I need 4 SATA power connectors (2 SATA HD drives, 2 DVD drives). There is also a built-in memory card reader and removable drive bay. I will have to open the machine to see what type of power connection they use. The original supply was only a 300W supply. I would like to get a new supply with a rating in the range of 500W to 650W continuous. An 80 plus supply would be good, and price in the range of $50 to $100. I'm looking for something that will last quite a few years as I don't buy new computers that often. My previous machine had a Pentium II and I used it for 9 years before replacing it with the current machine. It had a few upgrades along the way and two power supply replacements (due to fan issues). I'm looking at the various power supplies available online via Best Buy (http://tinyurl.com/BestBuyPowerSupplies) as it will be easy to do a return if what I get isn't right for my machine. The supplies available at my local store are made by Dynex, and Rocket Fish. I wasn't impressed by what I read about the Dynex one and the Rocket Fish one can vary depending on who actually made it. A message in the BB forum mentioned that Corsair and Cooler Master are good supplies. I know about Thermaltake but I'm not that familiar with some of the other brands listed. I'm interested in suggestions, things to watch out for (ie. get or stay away from supplies with APF), which brands may be better or are best avoided. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From williamdweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 18:59:21 2012 From: williamdweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Weaver) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:59:21 -0500 Subject: Looking for suggestions about new computer power supply In-Reply-To: <50D20CE4.5060304-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <50D20CE4.5060304@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: This isn't quite what your looking for, but hopefully it still helps. I personally stay away from Best Buy. I find they tend to mark up their pieces or have "best buy exclusives" which are actually crappier than the original and priced slightly higher. You can see that in the exclusive NVidia line of video cards they sold. I think it was the Ti or TiX. Canada Computers is good if you need to put your hands on it, else NewEgg's service is phenominal in the States, and I can olny assume that their Canadian counterpart is just as good. If you look at the reviews on the US site anything with a good number of ratings and 4 stars is usually your gold standard. 5 starts tend to either be leaps ahead of the competition to the point where it's no contest or only reviewed a few times mostly by non-technical users. If you're willing to go that route I'd be happy to put together a few reccomendations when I have some time. Will On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Greetings, all. > > The power supply in my 4 to 5 year old HP m7680n seems to be on its way > out. Usually I need to replace the supply due to the fan bearings wearing > out. This time it is more than a fan problem. It won't turn on via the > front power button and I've had occasional system lockups (and kernel > crashes). > > The details of my computer can be found at http://h10025.www1.hp.com/** > ewfrf/wc/document?docname=**c00739902&cc=ca&dlc=en&lang=** > en&lc=en&product=3230688 > The mother board has a 24 pin (main power) and a 4-pin connector on it. I > need 4 SATA power connectors (2 SATA HD drives, 2 DVD drives). There is > also a built-in memory card reader and removable drive bay. I will have to > open the machine to see what type of power connection they use. > > The original supply was only a 300W supply. I would like to get a new > supply with a rating in the range of 500W to 650W continuous. An 80 plus > supply would be good, and price in the range of $50 to $100. I'm looking > for something that will last quite a few years as I don't buy new computers > that often. My previous machine had a Pentium II and I used it for 9 years > before replacing it with the current machine. It had a few upgrades along > the way and two power supply replacements (due to fan issues). > > I'm looking at the various power supplies available online via Best Buy ( > http://tinyurl.com/**BestBuyPowerSupplies) > as it will be easy to do a return if what I get isn't right for my machine. > The supplies available at my local store are made by Dynex, and Rocket > Fish. I wasn't impressed by what I read about the Dynex one and the Rocket > Fish one can vary depending on who actually made it. > > A message in the BB forum mentioned that Corsair and Cooler Master are > good supplies. I know about Thermaltake but I'm not that familiar with some > of the other brands listed. > > I'm interested in suggestions, things to watch out for (ie. get or stay > away from supplies with APF), which brands may be better or are best > avoided. > > -- > Cheers! > > Kevin. > > http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that > distract > Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're > | powerful!" > #include | --Chris Hardwick > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/**Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 19:11:21 2012 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:11:21 -0500 Subject: Looking for suggestions about new computer power supply In-Reply-To: <50D20CE4.5060304-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <50D20CE4.5060304@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Greetings, all. > > The power supply in my 4 to 5 year old HP m7680n seems to be on its way out. > Usually I need to replace the supply due to the fan bearings wearing out. > This time it is more than a fan problem. It won't turn on via the front > power button and I've had occasional system lockups (and kernel crashes). The @#$% annoying problem with so many "name" brand PCs (Dell, HP, etc.) is that they use just slightly non-standard power supplies. So, I have seen power supplies where the mounting holes were is the "wrong" position so that you could only use a replacement power supply for that model from the name brand supplier. All this is to wish you well on your quest for a non-HP power supply to replace an HP power supply, but... if I were forced to bet (and I am not big on betting) I would expect that there will be some sort of hick-up that will stop a generic PC power supply from being used with your current HP (read it means you will either have to go to HP or junk the machine :-( ). This does explain why I have been just going with more-or-less generic PCs (laptop being an exception). If the power supply in one of my desktop PCs fails I know I can go to any of dozens of PC shops in the GTA and get something that will work okay... > The details of my computer can be found at > http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00739902&cc=ca&dlc=en&lang=en&lc=en&product=3230688 > The mother board has a 24 pin (main power) and a 4-pin connector on it. I > need 4 SATA power connectors (2 SATA HD drives, 2 DVD drives). There is also > a built-in memory card reader and removable drive bay. I will have to open > the machine to see what type of power connection they use. > > The original supply was only a 300W supply. I would like to get a new supply > with a rating in the range of 500W to 650W continuous. An 80 plus supply > would be good, and price in the range of $50 to $100. I'm looking for > something that will last quite a few years as I don't buy new computers that > often. My previous machine had a Pentium II and I used it for 9 years before > replacing it with the current machine. It had a few upgrades along the way > and two power supply replacements (due to fan issues). > > I'm looking at the various power supplies available online via Best Buy > (http://tinyurl.com/BestBuyPowerSupplies) as it will be easy to do a return > if what I get isn't right for my machine. The supplies available at my local > store are made by Dynex, and Rocket Fish. I wasn't impressed by what I read > about the Dynex one and the Rocket Fish one can vary depending on who > actually made it. > > A message in the BB forum mentioned that Corsair and Cooler Master are good > supplies. I know about Thermaltake but I'm not that familiar with some of > the other brands listed. > > I'm interested in suggestions, things to watch out for (ie. get or stay away > from supplies with APF), which brands may be better or are best avoided. > > -- > Cheers! > > Kevin. > > http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract > Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're > | powerful!" > #include | --Chris Hardwick > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 19:27:01 2012 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:27:01 -0500 Subject: Looking for suggestions about new computer power supply In-Reply-To: <50D20CE4.5060304-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <50D20CE4.5060304@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20121219192701.GC1769@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 01:52:20PM -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Greetings, all. > > The power supply in my 4 to 5 year old HP m7680n seems to be on its > way out. Usually I need to replace the supply due to the fan > bearings wearing out. This time it is more than a fan problem. It > won't turn on via the front power button and I've had occasional > system lockups (and kernel crashes). > > The details of my computer can be found at http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00739902&cc=ca&dlc=en&lang=en&lc=en&product=3230688 > The mother board has a 24 pin (main power) and a 4-pin connector on > it. I need 4 SATA power connectors (2 SATA HD drives, 2 DVD drives). > There is also a built-in memory card reader and removable drive bay. > I will have to open the machine to see what type of power connection > they use. > > The original supply was only a 300W supply. I would like to get a > new supply with a rating in the range of 500W to 650W continuous. An > 80 plus supply would be good, and price in the range of $50 to $100. > I'm looking for something that will last quite a few years as I > don't buy new computers that often. My previous machine had a > Pentium II and I used it for 9 years before replacing it with the > current machine. It had a few upgrades along the way and two power > supply replacements (due to fan issues). I picked up a 400W pc power & cooling silencer at NCIX for something in that price range. They have a 500W as well in the same range, and I think a $20 Mail in rebate at the moment. Very good quality, very quiet, and from one of the best power supply makers out there. > I'm looking at the various power supplies available online via Best > Buy (http://tinyurl.com/BestBuyPowerSupplies) as it will be easy to > do a return if what I get isn't right for my machine. The supplies > available at my local store are made by Dynex, and Rocket Fish. I > wasn't impressed by what I read about the Dynex one and the Rocket > Fish one can vary depending on who actually made it. > > A message in the BB forum mentioned that Corsair and Cooler Master > are good supplies. I know about Thermaltake but I'm not that > familiar with some of the other brands listed. There is no brand that universally makes good power supplies. Not sure there are any brands that only make bad ones. PC power & cooling being the only one I know of that has never made a bad model. Each brand has good models and bad models, all depending on the design and options they choose and which company they went to to get it made (there are only a handful of actual manufactueres it seems). Most power supply companies just brand things they get made. Some also design, while others just spec what they want and have the manufacturer design it. > I'm interested in suggestions, things to watch out for (ie. get or > stay away from supplies with APF), which brands may be better or are > best avoided. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 19:29:10 2012 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:29:10 -0500 Subject: Looking for suggestions about new computer power supply In-Reply-To: References: <50D20CE4.5060304@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20121219192910.GD1769@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 02:11:21PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > The @#$% annoying problem with so many "name" brand PCs (Dell, HP, > etc.) is that they use just slightly non-standard power supplies. So, > I have seen power supplies where the mounting holes were is the > "wrong" position so that you could only use a replacement power supply > for that model from the name brand supplier. I have only ever heard of Dell doing that. Some of the micro sized PCs are non standard too, but only Dell has put non standard in full size desktop machines. That HP looks like a standard ATX power supply. > All this is to wish you well on your quest for a non-HP power supply > to replace an HP power supply, but... if I were forced to bet (and I > am not big on betting) I would expect that there will be some sort of > hick-up that will stop a generic PC power supply from being used with > your current HP (read it means you will either have to go to HP or > junk the machine :-( ). > > This does explain why I have been just going with more-or-less generic > PCs (laptop being an exception). If the power supply in one of my > desktop PCs fails I know I can go to any of dozens of PC shops in the > GTA and get something that will work okay... And you could even get something good too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From williamdweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 19:34:22 2012 From: williamdweaver-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Weaver) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:34:22 -0500 Subject: Looking for suggestions about new computer power supply In-Reply-To: <20121219192910.GD1769-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <50D20CE4.5060304@ve3syb.ca> <20121219192910.GD1769@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Personally, again this is personal experence, I lean toward Antec and Corasir. Both sell gold seal brands with a range of wattages. That having been said if your computer is old and or your on a budget, these powersupplies may be worth more than the rest of your computer. After I had to beg a professor for an extention because I belw a power supply sophmore year and it took my graphics card with it, I've been buying the "good stuff" ever since. Plus garbage in, garbage out, clean power means better operating equiptment. Will On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 02:11:21PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > > The @#$% annoying problem with so many "name" brand PCs (Dell, HP, > > etc.) is that they use just slightly non-standard power supplies. So, > > I have seen power supplies where the mounting holes were is the > > "wrong" position so that you could only use a replacement power supply > > for that model from the name brand supplier. > > I have only ever heard of Dell doing that. Some of the micro sized PCs > are non standard too, but only Dell has put non standard in full size > desktop machines. > > That HP looks like a standard ATX power supply. > > > All this is to wish you well on your quest for a non-HP power supply > > to replace an HP power supply, but... if I were forced to bet (and I > > am not big on betting) I would expect that there will be some sort of > > hick-up that will stop a generic PC power supply from being used with > > your current HP (read it means you will either have to go to HP or > > junk the machine :-( ). > > > > This does explain why I have been just going with more-or-less generic > > PCs (laptop being an exception). If the power supply in one of my > > desktop PCs fails I know I can go to any of dozens of PC shops in the > > GTA and get something that will work okay... > > And you could even get something good too. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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That having > been said if your computer is old and or your on a budget, these > powersupplies may be worth more than the rest of your computer. After I had > to beg a professor for an extention because I belw a power supply sophmore > year and it took my graphics card with it, I've been buying the "good > stuff" ever since. Plus garbage in, garbage out, clean power means better > operating equiptment. Both Antec and Corsair have good power supples. Both also have some really bad ones. For example: Antec Basiq 430 and 500 are great. Antec Basiq 450 is garbage. Different manufacturer and completely different design on the 450. Other example: Corsair TX750, 850 and 1000 were great, the TX650 was crap (and a totally different design by a different maker). TX750M is just OK, TX750 v2 is great. So it really isn't that simple. I go by www.hardwaresecrets.com's list of gold award power supplies. That guy really seems to know what he is doing. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 20:19:07 2012 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:19:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Looking for suggestions about new computer power supply In-Reply-To: References: <50D20CE4.5060304@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: | From: Kevin Cozens This thread already has good advice. I'll add a few more thoughts. | The power supply in my 4 to 5 year old HP m7680n seems to be on its way out. | Usually I need to replace the supply due to the fan bearings wearing out. This | time it is more than a fan problem. It won't turn on via the front power | button and I've had occasional system lockups (and kernel crashes). Power supply problems can have obscure manifestations. So replacing is a good idea. | The details of my computer can be found at | http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00739902&cc=ca&dlc=en&lang=en&lc=en&product=3230688 It is good that you include a complete description. | The mother board has a 24 pin (main power) and a 4-pin connector on it. I need | 4 SATA power connectors (2 SATA HD drives, 2 DVD drives). There is also a | built-in memory card reader and removable drive bay. I will have to open the | machine to see what type of power connection they use. More useful details. | The original supply was only a 300W supply. I would like to get a new supply | with a rating in the range of 500W to 650W continuous. My impression is that 400+ would be fine. But there is more profit in aftermarket large supplies so there is more choice there. | An 80 plus supply would | be good, and price in the range of $50 to $100. Should be quite do-able. I care a lot about noise too. Some supplies are noisier than others. Hard to tell in a store. You could look at silentpcreview.com, but there are way more power supplies than they can cover. There are a lot of sites that review power supplies. I have no idea which ones are trustable. http://www.jonnyguru.com/index.php is apparently Canadian. Some like that site's reviews. I don't vouch for them. One trouble with hardware reviews: many are opinion and reputation driven and have little time for science and engineering. | I'm looking for something that | will last quite a few years as I don't buy new computers that often. My | previous machine had a Pentium II and I used it for 9 years before replacing | it with the current machine. It had a few upgrades along the way and two power | supply replacements (due to fan issues). | | I'm looking at the various power supplies available online via Best Buy | (http://tinyurl.com/BestBuyPowerSupplies) as it will be easy to do a return if | what I get isn't right for my machine. The supplies available at my local | store are made by Dynex, and Rocket Fish. I wasn't impressed by what I read | about the Dynex one and the Rocket Fish one can vary depending on who actually | made it. | | A message in the BB forum mentioned that Corsair and Cooler Master are good | supplies. I know about Thermaltake but I'm not that familiar with some of the | other brands listed. | | I'm interested in suggestions, things to watch out for (ie. get or stay away | from supplies with APF), which brands may be better or are best avoided. | | -- | Cheers! | | Kevin. | | http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract | Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | | powerful!" | #include | --Chris Hardwick | -- | The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ | TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns | How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists | | From: William Weaver | This isn't quite what your looking for, but hopefully it still helps. I | personally stay away from Best Buy. Agreed! If you spend full price, you ought to get service. You don't get it at BB. Their sales people generally don't know much and don't know it. | Canada Computers is good if you need to put your hands on it, else NewEgg's | service is phenominal in the States, and I can olny assume that their | Canadian counterpart is just as good. NCIX has good sales, including on power supplies. My impression is that on every day prices, CC is usually better. But it is easy to compare. There are at least five reasonable power supplies in (this week's sale; ending tonight and replaced with a new sale, also with a bunch of supplies). NCIX also has weekend-only in-store sales, starting late Fridays. CC has weekend sales that start early Friday but they have many fewer items than NCIX sales. I often order online from CC or NCIX with in-store pickup. This means that you can be sure that it is there when you go to pick it up. The process isn't instant. I like to visit the store when I'm making slightly tricky purchases, so newegg.ca would not be my choice if I would like even the slightest hand-holding. If you want a bit more hand-holding, you may find that you have a decent neighbourhood computer store. Sadly, I think that those are dying out since customers are not willing to give them a living margin. | From: Colin McGregor | The @#$% annoying problem with so many "name" brand PCs (Dell, HP, | etc.) is that they use just slightly non-standard power supplies. So, | I have seen power supplies where the mounting holes were is the | "wrong" position so that you could only use a replacement power supply | for that model from the name brand supplier. That used to be really really annoying. I've scrapped a couple of systems for this reason. I don't think that that is common for normally sized systems recently. I've replaced the power supplies in a couple of even older HPs and had no problem using a generic supply. I'd bet that Kevin's system takes an ordinary power supply. Of course "ordinary" changes over time: the kinds and numbers of connectors evolve. So it is good for Kevin to take a census of his system and checking the proposed replacement before purchasing. Other gotcha - sometimes all the connectors you need are there but the cables are too short. - the motherboard PS connector changed width at some point long ago. Most power supplies allow for this, but you have to plug in the right part - some video cards (probably not Kevin's) also require extra power cables. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 21:21:33 2012 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:21:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Looking for suggestions about new computer power supply In-Reply-To: References: <50D20CE4.5060304@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: | From: D. Hugh Redelmeier | There are at least five reasonable power supplies in | | (this week's sale; ending tonight and replaced with a new sale, also | with a bunch of supplies). NCIX also has weekend-only in-store sales, | starting late Fridays. Oops. This last week's sale is different. Surely because of Christmas. It ends Dec 24, not tonight. It includes a PC Power and Cooling power supply for $79.99 (qualifying for a $10 MIR if you care): Review from Lennart's recommended site: Note that this review is 2.5 years old. The Mk III series is out now. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 21:32:37 2012 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:32:37 -0500 Subject: Looking for suggestions about new computer power supply In-Reply-To: References: <50D20CE4.5060304@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20121219213237.GF1769@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 04:21:33PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Oops. This last week's sale is different. Surely because of > Christmas. It ends Dec 24, not tonight. > > It includes a PC Power and Cooling power supply for $79.99 (qualifying > for a $10 MIR if you care): > > > > Review from Lennart's recommended site: > > Note that this review is 2.5 years old. The Mk III series is out now. 750 might be severe overkill. The silencer 400 and 500 are probably more reasonable choices. It is a very good price on the 750 though, and with 7 year warrenty it is a really good power supply. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 21:43:11 2012 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:43:11 -0500 Subject: Looking for suggestions about new computer power supply In-Reply-To: <50D20CE4.5060304-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <50D20CE4.5060304@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20121219214311.GA10613@node1.opengeometry.net> Recommendation: Get power supply with Gold or Platium rating. Currently, I have Corsair AX 650 Gold, but its price may be more than your computer. :-) On the other hand, when you build a new machine, you can carry that over. Antec now sells Platium rating at a reasonable price. You may want to try that. Seasonic Gold series used to be "the" one to get, but other brands have caught up. -- William On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 01:52:20PM -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Greetings, all. > > The power supply in my 4 to 5 year old HP m7680n seems to be on its > way out. Usually I need to replace the supply due to the fan > bearings wearing out. This time it is more than a fan problem. It > won't turn on via the front power button and I've had occasional > system lockups (and kernel crashes). > > The details of my computer can be found at http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00739902&cc=ca&dlc=en&lang=en&lc=en&product=3230688 > The mother board has a 24 pin (main power) and a 4-pin connector on > it. I need 4 SATA power connectors (2 SATA HD drives, 2 DVD drives). > There is also a built-in memory card reader and removable drive bay. > I will have to open the machine to see what type of power connection > they use. > > The original supply was only a 300W supply. I would like to get a > new supply with a rating in the range of 500W to 650W continuous. An > 80 plus supply would be good, and price in the range of $50 to $100. > I'm looking for something that will last quite a few years as I > don't buy new computers that often. My previous machine had a > Pentium II and I used it for 9 years before replacing it with the > current machine. It had a few upgrades along the way and two power > supply replacements (due to fan issues). > > I'm looking at the various power supplies available online via Best > Buy (http://tinyurl.com/BestBuyPowerSupplies) as it will be easy to > do a return if what I get isn't right for my machine. The supplies > available at my local store are made by Dynex, and Rocket Fish. I > wasn't impressed by what I read about the Dynex one and the Rocket > Fish one can vary depending on who actually made it. > > A message in the BB forum mentioned that Corsair and Cooler Master > are good supplies. I know about Thermaltake but I'm not that > familiar with some of the other brands listed. > > I'm interested in suggestions, things to watch out for (ie. get or > stay away from supplies with APF), which brands may be better or are > best avoided. > > -- > Cheers! > > Kevin. > > http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract > Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're > | powerful!" > #include | --Chris Hardwick > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 19 22:11:12 2012 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:11:12 -0500 Subject: Looking for suggestions about new computer power supply In-Reply-To: <20121219214311.GA10613-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <50D20CE4.5060304@ve3syb.ca> <20121219214311.GA10613@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20121219221112.GG1769@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 04:43:11PM -0500, William Park wrote: > Recommendation: > Get power supply with Gold or Platium rating. > > Currently, I have Corsair AX 650 Gold, but its price may be more than > your computer. :-) On the other hand, when you build a new machine, you > can carry that over. > > Antec now sells Platium rating at a reasonable price. You may want to > try that. > > Seasonic Gold series used to be "the" one to get, but other brands have > caught up. Having an 80plus rating doesn't mean it is good. You can have 90% efficiency, but have voltage rails that vary out of spec. That's not a good power supply. Also the 80plus is measured at 25C, which is way below actual operating temperatures and hence not realistic. A few brands have chosen to measure at 40C instead when testing for the rating, which is actually realistic. So really, the 80plus ratings mean very little. Certainly no indication of quality (either good or bad). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From torfree-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 01:30:00 2012 From: torfree-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 01:30:00 +0000 Subject: Looking for suggestions about new computer power supply In-Reply-To: (William Weaver's message of "Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:59:21 -0500") References: <50D20CE4.5060304@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <84a9t9jysn.fsf@free.fr> William Weaver a ?crit profondement: > | NewEgg's | service is phenominal in the States, and I can olny assume that their | Canadian counterpart is just as good. Everything I bought from NE came out of the USA. -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 14:00:48 2012 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:00:48 -0500 Subject: ubuntu when Ubuntu Software Center is dead In-Reply-To: <50D1F7BE.5090800-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <50D1F7BE.5090800@gmail.com> Message-ID: Maybe you know this already, but the ocmmand line will still work: apt-get install PACKAGE to install a package, and apt-add-repository REPOSITORY-ID to ad a PPA or other repository dpkg -i PACKAGEFILE or gdebi PACKAGEFILE to try to install a package that you've downloaded manually. Does that help matt On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > My last message discussed here to my positive use was about fan problem. > Thanks. I learned something. > > Now, for a reason that I have no understanding of. The Ubuntu Software > Center does not work, it crashes. > > Can I still install packages there? How? > > I have problem with siggen (which worked some time ago). Now it reports that > there is no /dev/dsp > > What a s***t. > > I guess I can still install a debian packages. But How? > > I am on one side still by inertia interested in knowing how the system > works, however, first of all, now, I care more how to DO the system to work, > how to use it. > > http://nanolab.gu-unpk.ru/zbigniew/ > > zb. > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 14:01:26 2012 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:01:26 -0500 Subject: ubuntu when Ubuntu Software Center is dead In-Reply-To: References: <50D1F7BE.5090800@gmail.com> Message-ID: oops, I forgot to say, all of those commands should be executed as root: sudo apt-get install PACKAGE et. On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Matt Price wrote: > Maybe you know this already, but the ocmmand line will still work: > > apt-get install PACKAGE > > to install a package, and > > apt-add-repository REPOSITORY-ID > > to ad a PPA or other repository > > dpkg -i PACKAGEFILE > > or > > gdebi PACKAGEFILE > > to try to install a package that you've downloaded manually. > > Does that help > > matt > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >> My last message discussed here to my positive use was about fan problem. >> Thanks. I learned something. >> >> Now, for a reason that I have no understanding of. The Ubuntu Software >> Center does not work, it crashes. >> >> Can I still install packages there? How? >> >> I have problem with siggen (which worked some time ago). Now it reports that >> there is no /dev/dsp >> >> What a s***t. >> >> I guess I can still install a debian packages. But How? >> >> I am on one side still by inertia interested in knowing how the system >> works, however, first of all, now, I care more how to DO the system to work, >> how to use it. >> >> http://nanolab.gu-unpk.ru/zbigniew/ >> >> zb. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 17:22:31 2012 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 12:22:31 -0500 Subject: ubuntu when Ubuntu Software Center is dead In-Reply-To: References: <50D1F7BE.5090800@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you prefer a GUI app there's also synaptic. (If it's not installed already, you can install it using Matt's instructions - ie: sudo apt-get install synaptic) Launch with: gksudo synaptic On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Matt Price wrote: > oops, I forgot to say, all of those commands should be executed as root: > > sudo apt-get install PACKAGE > > et. > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Matt Price wrote: >> Maybe you know this already, but the ocmmand line will still work: >> >> apt-get install PACKAGE >> >> to install a package, and >> >> apt-add-repository REPOSITORY-ID >> >> to ad a PPA or other repository >> >> dpkg -i PACKAGEFILE >> >> or >> >> gdebi PACKAGEFILE >> >> to try to install a package that you've downloaded manually. >> >> Does that help >> >> matt >> >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >>> My last message discussed here to my positive use was about fan problem. >>> Thanks. I learned something. >>> >>> Now, for a reason that I have no understanding of. The Ubuntu Software >>> Center does not work, it crashes. >>> >>> Can I still install packages there? How? >>> >>> I have problem with siggen (which worked some time ago). Now it reports that >>> there is no /dev/dsp >>> >>> What a s***t. >>> >>> I guess I can still install a debian packages. But How? >>> >>> I am on one side still by inertia interested in knowing how the system >>> works, however, first of all, now, I care more how to DO the system to work, >>> how to use it. >>> >>> http://nanolab.gu-unpk.ru/zbigniew/ -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github & more Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 20 17:47:46 2012 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:47:46 +0400 Subject: ubuntu when Ubuntu Software Center is dead In-Reply-To: References: <50D1F7BE.5090800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50D34F42.4080408@gmail.com> On 12/20/2012 09:22 PM, Scott Elcomb wrote: > If you prefer a GUI app there's also synaptic. > > (If it's not installed already, you can install it using Matt's > instructions - ie: sudo apt-get install synaptic) > > Launch with: gksudo synaptic > No, I do not prefer GUI. In part, I solved the problem. I run: sudo apt-get update from terminal After that Ubuntu Software Center started to work, What a sheet is with these /dev/dsp is another story. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 21 02:02:05 2012 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:02:05 -0500 Subject: Open Object Rexx Message-ID: <50D3C31D.1070305@rogers.com> ooREXX is available for many systems. I used to use REXX a bit back when I was doing OS/2 support at IBM. http://www.oorexx.org/ There's an openSUSE version https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=ooRexx&project=home%3Aemendonca And I connected to a repository for openSUSE 12.2 at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/emendonca/openSUSE_12.2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 21 02:33:26 2012 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:33:26 -0500 Subject: ubuntu when Ubuntu Software Center is dead In-Reply-To: <50D34F42.4080408-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <50D1F7BE.5090800@gmail.com> <50D34F42.4080408@gmail.com> Message-ID: not sure which version of ubuntu you're running, but the switch from straight alsa to pulseaudio a couple of years ago made direct access to /dev/dsp pretty difficult. depending on what exactly you're trying to do, you might want to try killall pulseaudio and see if you get /dev/dsp back. a lot of other stuff is likely to break, though... matt On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > On 12/20/2012 09:22 PM, Scott Elcomb wrote: >> >> If you prefer a GUI app there's also synaptic. >> >> (If it's not installed already, you can install it using Matt's >> instructions - ie: sudo apt-get install synaptic) >> >> Launch with: gksudo synaptic >> > > No, I do not prefer GUI. > > In part, I solved the problem. > > I run: > > sudo apt-get update > > from terminal > > After that Ubuntu Software Center started to work, > > What a sheet is with these /dev/dsp is another story. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 21 09:18:56 2012 From: mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org (Molly Tournquist) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 04:18:56 -0500 Subject: Looking for suggestions about new computer power supply Message-ID: <20121221091857.298460@gmx.com> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > There is no brand that universally makes good power supplies. Not sure > there are any brands that only make bad ones. PC power & cooling being > the only one I know of that has never made a bad model. >From the lore familiar to me, Seasonic and Fortron power supplies have been quite solid. Seasonic has been plainly observably impressive, meaning they've produced their own products which were well received, while Fortron produced a lot of models for other distributers, though they've ended up both doing each. It was not at all unheard of for Fortron units used to get swapped in with weaker fans than the mainline power supplies. I've only heard of these being companies that distributers outsource *to*, not companies that outsource, although their products seem to be harder to find. Here is a large list of what manufacturers power supply distributors use: http://www.10stripe.com/articles/who-made-your-power-supply.php -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 23 05:40:07 2012 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 00:40:07 -0500 Subject: Some Intel Chips Can Be Reconfigured to Support AES Message-ID: <50D69937.6040108@gmail.com> I was reading the fine print on one of Intel's Spec pages and I found this little gem: Some products can support AES New Instructions with a Processor Configuration update, in particular, i7-2630QM/i7-2635QM, i7-2670QM/i7-2675QM, i5-2430M/i5-2435M, i5-2410M/i5-2415M. Please contact OEM for the BIOS that includes the latest Processor configuration update. Hmmm, does this update the firmware on the processor? Isn't that dangerous? Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 23 16:43:26 2012 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:43:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Some Intel Chips Can Be Reconfigured to Support AES In-Reply-To: <50D69937.6040108-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <50D69937.6040108@gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Ivan Avery Frey | Hmmm, does this update the firmware on the processor? Isn't that dangerous? As I understand it, all recent BIOSes include a modest CPU patchset. This isn't talked about much because it is a matter between the CPU vendor and the motherboard/BIOS manufacturer. Note: this update needs to be re-applied at each time the CPU is powered on, it isn't flashing eeprom on the processor. Logically, since a BIOS supports multiple CPUs, I guess they must have a set of patchsets. What is recent? Perhaps (not at all sure) since the Pentium II. For some time, the Linux kernel has been willing to install (on each boot) firmware updates if the BIOS isn't up to date. Oh, here's an Arch page on the topic: The single Intel Microcode Data File seems to only go back to the P4; I cannot tell from the names if it goes back further ("Pentium" is a brand name and stands for many different processors). The AMD code covers AMD family 10h, 11h, 14h and 15h CPUs -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 23 23:58:53 2012 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 18:58:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Some Intel Chips Can Be Reconfigured to Support AES In-Reply-To: <50D69937.6040108-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <50D69937.6040108@gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Ivan Avery Frey | Some products can support AES New Instructions with a Processor Configuration | update, in particular, i7-2630QM/i7-2635QM, i7-2670QM/i7-2675QM, | i5-2430M/i5-2435M, i5-2410M/i5-2415M. Please contact OEM for the BIOS that | includes the latest Processor configuration update. This might just be a configuration switch under control of the BIOS. I remember when VT-x was in processor chips but many BIOSes disabled it. Idiots! This might be the same. Kind of odd that a BIOS would be able to disable things that subequent programs cannot reverse. But there are many magic things in x86. Like all of SMM . How about A20 ? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 24 04:36:17 2012 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 23:36:17 -0500 Subject: Raspberry PI in the mainstream media... Message-ID: Raspberry PI as seen by a mainstream media outlet. Nice little article. http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/21/tech/innovation/raspberry-pi-computer-upton/index.html Colin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 25 12:53:15 2012 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:53:15 +0400 Subject: Merry Christmas from Russia Message-ID: <50D9A1BB.2090409@gmail.com> In Russia catholic tradition is not considered official. However, at the level of university lifestyle I am free to not go to work on "my" Christmas day. Orthodox Christians celebrate 2 weeks later. Yesterday, me an my (Russian) wife guested a young Russian couple with their 1-year daughter, on "our", catholic event. Even though Catholicism is not considered official in Russia, I feel here well. Instead, from USA, I found this sort of "Christmas" wishes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xm-iuIdp4vg These are from the Polish Embassy in Warsaw. What is that? What is the value of it? Merry Christmas! Zbigniew (a Polish, Canadian, from Russia) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 25 15:01:01 2012 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 10:01:01 -0500 Subject: Cubox? Linux 3.7 released, bringing generic ARM support In-Reply-To: <20121217023025.GA1769-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20121217023025.GA1769@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 2012-12-16 9:31 PM, "Lennart Sorensen" wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:54:21AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > If I remember correctly, Lennart is a local expert on the Cubox. > > Well I have one now, but haven't had time to do much with it yet. I got an eSATA cable for Christmas, Tiger Direct apparently gave away a nice 7 foot cable for $8. Sweet! At least now it has decent storage for my bittorrent lawlessness. ESATA won't hotplug due to kernel power saving moves by Cubox devs, you have to reboot, but otherwise sweetness. It is actually a pretty good computer in general. The problem comes with web browsing when you get beyond a couple of tabs open in Firefox and all the scripts start to pile up in the background. I guess that's a combination of memory and lack of hard FP? I am not an expert... :-) > i have worked a lot with arm in general though. > > > There is no "Ubuntu 10". There is 10.04 LTS and 10.10, but those are > > distinct. > > > > What is it slow doing? Why? > > > > As far as I know, the major thing that *might* get sped up in another > > distro is floating point. Most programs don't care about FP > > performance, but a few care a lot -- do you run any of those? > > Like perl. > > > My perception is that these little devices are sometimes slow because: > > > > - the memory interface is narrower than a PC's so memory bandwidth is > > bad > > > > - 1 ARM MIP < 1 x86 MIP for modern x86 implementations > > Depends on the generation of arm. The Cortex A8 yes, the A9 probably > not. > > > - most I/O is funneled through USB 2.x (example: ethernet on > > RaspberryPI) (example: all disk I/O) > > That's just stupid design. That makes things very slow. > > > - I think that SD cards (except perhaps the fastest) are slower than > > hard drives even if USB isn't the bottleneck > > SD cards are often slow and the interfaces tend to be cpu intensive. > On my imx53 I use SATA rather than the microSD which makes it much faster. > > > - video drivers are crap since there are no high-performance open source > > video drivers for any ARM display subsystem yet > > Unfortunately true so far. > > > - not enough RAM (new desktops start at 4G; most ARM systems stop at > > 1G) > > A few seem to have 2GB now. Next year should see some systems with a lot > more now that server chips based on the Cortex A15 are becoming available. > > > Who knows. It is a future direction so it may not be embraced by old > > products. Too many embedded systems are "fire and forget" by their > > producers. I don't have any knowledge of the Cubox folks intention. > > You could ask them. > > > > Surely we can help there. > > > > Where are you? What does it involve/require (time, equipment, > > expertise, risks)? > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdhillca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 25 15:13:50 2012 From: mdhillca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Hill) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 10:13:50 -0500 Subject: Merry Christmas from Russia In-Reply-To: <50D9A1BB.2090409-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <50D9A1BB.2090409@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas, Zbigniew! Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 25 16:11:25 2012 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 11:11:25 -0500 Subject: Does The HP Envy 4-1050ca Support Intel Virtualization? In-Reply-To: References: <50D69937.6040108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50D9D02D.8070707@gmail.com> On 23/12/12 18:58 , D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > This might just be a configuration switch under control of the BIOS. > I remember when VT-x was in processor chips but many BIOSes disabled > it. Idiots! This might be the same. This is precisely the reason why I'm trying to confirm whether the above mentioned laptop supports VT-x. I know the processor (Intel Core i5-3317U) does, but is the BIOS enabled for it? This is an attractively priced ($900 regular price) laptop with a maximum memory of 16G. Direct Dial is selling a few box damaged units for $725: http://www.directdial.com/IMOB5T11UA%23ABL-DDO.html Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 25 22:34:28 2012 From: mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org (Molly Tournquist) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:34:28 -0500 Subject: Merry Christmas from Russia Message-ID: <20121225223428.287940@gmx.com> > In Russia catholic tradition is not considered official. However, at the > level of university lifestyle I am free to not go to work on "my" > Christmas day. Orthodox Christians celebrate 2 weeks later. > > Yesterday, me an my (Russian) wife guested a young Russian couple with > their 1-year daughter, on "our", catholic event. Even though Catholicism > is not considered official in Russia, I feel here well. Christmas after boxing week, that seems like an elegantly useful arangement! I should have been orthodox. That's just hilarious, we didn't even spend christmas eve with anyone(and I mean, ever). However, my family does habitually arrange get togethers two days later, so they can ruin boxing day for me. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 27 15:21:36 2012 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:21:36 -0500 Subject: Cubox? Linux 3.7 released, bringing generic ARM support In-Reply-To: References: <20121217023025.GA1769@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 25 December 2012 10:01, Thomas Milne wrote: > I got an eSATA cable for Christmas, Tiger Direct apparently gave away a nice > 7 foot cable for $8. Sweet! At least now it has decent storage for my > bittorrent lawlessness. ESATA won't hotplug due to kernel power saving moves > by Cubox devs, you have to reboot, but otherwise sweetness. > > It is actually a pretty good computer in general. The problem comes with web > browsing when you get beyond a couple of tabs open in Firefox and all the > scripts start to pile up in the background. I guess that's a combination of > memory and lack of hard FP? I am not an expert... :-) Perhaps installing the NoScript Add-On would help? Many sites will work entirely without scripts, and turning just local scripts on on other sites (ie. not the ones provided by advertisers) will make the site function without undue burden on your Cubox. NoScript can be a PITA, but I think you'd find it worthwhile given the limitations of the computer. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 28 20:48:31 2012 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:48:31 -0500 Subject: Does The HP Envy 4-1050ca Support Intel Virtualization? In-Reply-To: <50D9D02D.8070707-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <50D69937.6040108@gmail.com> <50D9D02D.8070707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50DE059F.9000304@gmail.com> I have received a partial confirmation that this laptop supports hardware virtualization: http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware-e-g-Windows-8/Does-the-Envy-4-1050ca-Support-The-Intel-Virtualization/td-p/2266097 Scroll down and notice the HP person was kind enough to post the relevant BIOS screen. I have ordered the laptop and I've got my fingers crossed. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 29 11:40:50 2012 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:40:50 +0400 Subject: Arduino, etc. Message-ID: <50DED6C2.20602@gmail.com> "Arduino is an open-source electronics prototyping platform based on flexible, easy-to-use hardware and software." Thats from http://www.arduino.cc/ Arduino and its derivatives are available also in Russia. Another slent here is *???????? (Mars Orbiter, or something like that). These are indeed nice toys and could even be used in industry. Does anyone around has an experience with tools like these? Where electronics can be joined with programming. Of course, I am interested in such ones that could be used on Linux. The primarily reason I am interested in is to use these to teach medium school kinds of electronics and programming. However, I would enjoy myself as well to play with them. I would possibly want to prepare a some sort of comparison chart between these tools. Hence, any opinions, recommendations, etc, please. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 29 14:02:28 2012 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 08:02:28 -0600 Subject: Arduino, etc. In-Reply-To: <50DED6C2.20602-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <50DED6C2.20602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50DEF7F4.7040204@gmail.com> On 29-12-12 05:40 , Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > Does anyone around has an experience with tools like these? Where > electronics can be joined with programming. Sure. The field is generally known as "physical computing". The Arduino is probably the most popular board used for these projects, but it wasn't the first. It's so popular now, though, that many microcontroller families now have Arduino-like IDEs, often compatible with the Arduino/Wiring language. If there is an open-source C compiler for the microcontroller, there's a fair chance that some kind of Arduino compatible IDE exists. Much of the current physical computing activity grew from work around the Processing language . It's a cut-down form of C++, and a subset of the language is used by Arduino. The main reasons that Arduino is so popular are: 1) it hides the obscure and device-specific code that the microcontroller needs to configure and use IO ports. "Real" embedded C code is very low level, and is pretty close to assembly language in readability. This lowers the barrier to physical computing, but makes EE types mad. 2) with its huge user base, pretty much every device or sensor you could plug into an Arduino already has code written for it. Arduino programming can be consequently more configuration than coding. This may or may not be a good thing ;-) > I would possibly want to prepare a some sort of comparison chart between > these tools. Hence, any opinions, recommendations, etc, please. The book that's a great introduction to physical computing is Tom Igoe's "Making Things Talk" . It's getting a bit old, has some rather obscure art projects as examples, but is a good general introduction. There are tons of hardware platforms out there. Most of them are based on 8-bit microcontrollers running at up to 20 MHz. The ones I've used that I know work with Linux are: * Arduino. Based on the Atmel ATMega ATmega328P. Boards aren't as cheap as they could be (~$35) considering the bare processor is only about $5. * Atmel ATtiny85 - with care, can be programmed with the Arduino IDE and some wiring. Cheap ($2), tiny 8-pin chips which are great for interfacing to just one or two devices. Used in the Digispark interface board. * Teensy3 - based on a 32-bit ARM Cortex, this is a lot more powerful than the 8-bit Atmels. It's able to do real-time DSP on audio, which is too much for an Arduino. * Texas Instruments msp430 LaunchPad + Energia - the Launchpad is a cheap evaluation board for TI's low-power micorcontrollers. It used to be stuck with a huge and limited Windows-only IDE, but Energia is an open, cross-platform IDE based on Arduino. It's a bit more limited than the Arduino universe (the stock processor is clocked at 1 MHz, and has very little memory), but you can be up and running for about $5. You'll find a lot of projects to think about on Hack a Day . cheers, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 29 16:26:52 2012 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 11:26:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Arduino, etc. In-Reply-To: <50DEF7F4.7040204-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <50DED6C2.20602@gmail.com> <50DEF7F4.7040204@gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Zbigniew Koziol | Does anyone around has an experience with tools like these? Where electronics | can be joined with programming. I feel that the most important part of these things is the community around them: building projects, using tools, building infrastructure, passing on experience, and communicating in general. TLUG isn't the best source for Arduino experience. In Toronto, I'd gravitate towards . Lots of Arduino and similar stuff going on. There must be good resources in Russia too. There are lots of resources on the internet but I think physical proximity has advantages when you are dealing with very physical devices. | Of course, I am interested in such ones that could be used on Linux. In my (inexperienced!) estimation, the RaspberryPI is worth looking at. It has a lot of GPIO pins, is cheap, and has a lot more computing resources right up to running several general-purpose Linux distros. It also has more PC-like I/O built in (2 USB host, HDMI-out, analogue video out, analogue audio out). The obvious downside is that it takes a significant power supply (1A at 5V, I think). The community is a lot newer so it might not have the depth or share your focus. | The primarily reason I am interested in is to use these to teach medium school | kinds of electronics and programming. However, I would enjoy myself as well to | play with them. This is exactly what the RaspberryPi project was aiming for. I wonder if the software power of the RaspberryPi actually makes this more difficult. I imagine that the software on the Arduino is primitive enough that it can be completely mastered in a reasonable time. Linux is much more intricate. There is some effort to create "friendly" software but sometimes that makes the user feel distant and disconnected from the real hardware. Some people feel more motivated and in control learning a system bottom up. | I would possibly want to prepare a some sort of comparison chart between these | tools. Hence, any opinions, recommendations, etc, please. There would be so many dimensions of difference (rows in your chart) that it would be hard to create. Only a few would matter to you, and only you know which they would be. Googling for "raspberrypi arduino" gets a lot of hits. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 29 18:02:32 2012 From: lists-5ZoueyuiTZiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 13:02:32 -0500 Subject: Arduino, etc. In-Reply-To: <50DED6C2.20602-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <50DED6C2.20602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50DF3038.2040806@alteeve.ca> On 12/29/2012 06:40 AM, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > "Arduino is an open-source electronics prototyping platform based on > flexible, easy-to-use hardware and software." > > Thats from http://www.arduino.cc/ > > Arduino and its derivatives are available also in Russia. Another slent > here is *???????? (Mars > Orbiter, or something like that). > > These are indeed nice toys and could even be used in industry. > > Does anyone around has an experience with tools like these? Where > electronics can be joined with programming. > > Of course, I am interested in such ones that could be used on Linux. > > The primarily reason I am interested in is to use these to teach medium > school kinds of electronics and programming. However, I would enjoy > myself as well to play with them. > > I would possibly want to prepare a some sort of comparison chart between > these tools. Hence, any opinions, recommendations, etc, please. I use arduinos in my Node Assassin project (http://nodeassassin.org). They're very fun devices to build on. However, I think a lot of folks are using the Raspberry Pi more often now. The RP is a full computer, so it's much more powerful and capable. I still like the arduino though; it's very simple so it's still worth using in cases where simple/reliable are more important. -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 29 19:03:44 2012 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 14:03:44 -0500 Subject: Arduino, etc. In-Reply-To: <50DED6C2.20602-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <50DED6C2.20602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20121229140344.4a779ee8@herring_sucker.example.net> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:40:50 +0400 Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > "Arduino is an open-source electronics prototyping platform based on > flexible, easy-to-use hardware and software." > > Thats from http://www.arduino.cc/ > > Arduino and its derivatives are available also in Russia. Another > slent here is *???????? > (Mars Orbiter, or > something like that). > > These are indeed nice toys and could even be used in industry. > > Does anyone around has an experience with tools like these? Where > electronics can be joined with programming. > > Of course, I am interested in such ones that could be used on Linux. > > The primarily reason I am interested in is to use these to teach > medium school kinds of electronics and programming. However, I would > enjoy myself as well to play with them. > > I would possibly want to prepare a some sort of comparison chart > between these tools. Hence, any opinions, recommendations, etc, > please. > > Arduino is also being used in the satellite business. This group used Kickstarter. Look at the amount of money pledged compared to the original goal. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/575960623/ardusat-your-arduino-experiment-in-space -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org gstrom57-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 31 00:52:47 2012 From: mollytournquist-ifvz4xmYPRU at public.gmane.org (Molly Tournquist) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:52:47 -0500 Subject: Does The HP Envy 4-1050ca Support Intel Virtualization? Message-ID: <20121231005248.97670@gmx.com> Buwahaha, you've been digging for information about shielded hyperdrive capable TIE starfighter models, because Sienar Fleet Systems has been uninformative due to pressure from Kuat Drive Yards to not endanger their lucrative Star Destroyer business! Awesome! (well, the parrallels are a bit messy and distorted, TIE advanced's to star destroyers would be like Atoms, or better yet ARMs to Xeons, but, still, irresistable) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ivan Avery Frey > Sent: 12/28/12 03:48 PM > > I have received a partial confirmation that this laptop supports > hardware virtualization: > > http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware-e-g-Windows-8/Does-the-Envy-4-1050ca-Support-The-Intel-Virtualization/td-p/2266097 > > Scroll down and notice the HP person was kind enough to post the > relevant BIOS screen. > > I have ordered the laptop and I've got my fingers crossed. > > Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 31 01:33:19 2012 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:33:19 -0500 Subject: GitHub Has Big Dreams for Open-Source Software, and More - NYTimes.com Message-ID: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/28/github-has-big-dreams-for-open-source-software-and-more/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: