Solved Debian update - keyboard responsive, Lennart Sorrenson not so much
Ori Idan
ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org
Sun Oct 30 09:47:55 UTC 2011
I think this argument is not the topic of the list.
If you Russell have any problems with Lennart, I think it would be better
if you solve them between you.
I am not saying that Lennart is right or that you are right. I only say
that I think this issue should be solved off list.
--
Ori Idan
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Russell Reiter <rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Ivan Avery Frey
> <ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > On 29/10/11 11:17, Russell Reiter wrote:
> >>
> >> Lennart, I don't know what it is about me that brings out the troll in
> >> otherwise apparantly normal people. But there it is. When someone
> >> bangs on me as hard as you did, I have to defend my position and that
> >> position is, I quote you here:
> >>
> >> "In other words, don't take advice from people that don't know what they
> >> are doing, ..."
> >>
> >> Well Lennart that's your opinion, here's mine.
> >>
> >> You had little desire to assist with the problem, until someone
> >> thanked me for posting my experience. Then you tried to use your
> >> belief in your own superior knowledge to belittle the solution, which
> >> in fact was not my solution but simply a solution provided by someone
> >> else experiencing the same difficulties.
> >>
> >> If you notice, what I did was not exactly the same as what was posted.
> >> Not that it matters, or does it? You tell me you're the theorist, I'm
> >> a system's integrator. You have to remember who I am in all this, I
> >> was helping the system operator restore functionality.
> >>
> >> Debian developers started using Dependency Based Boot around 2009.
> >> Squeeze is the first to use it as default in a product release. It is
> >> to deal with the fact the kernel is becoming more event driven. I
> >> won't bore you with the abstract details of the transitional problems
> >> of migration, even in respect of moving a temporary virtual file
> >> system to a static one because you should know all this. However, you
> >> apparantly don't care enough about the problem. Instead you try and
> >> piss all over me when I asked a sincere question.
> >>
> >> What you didn't know, before you tried to pick on me, was where the
> >> problem was sourced, yet you pretended you did and worse, you assumed
> >> that I didn't.
> >>
> >> Here's some background on how Debian maintainers are dealing with
> >> event driven kernels, which is what this is really all about.
> >>
> >> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/03/msg02640.html
> >>
> >> When I first joined this list there were about sixty users sharing
> >> their experiences with integrating this OS into more mainstream use.
> >>
> >> I do my small bit to help users adapt. Much in the same way that my
> >> old friend Jan Carlson did. One day I asked him why he sold me a cd
> >> with Red Hat on it for five bucks at a TLUG meeting and then gave me
> >> two thousand dollars worth of telephone support?
> >>
> >> He said "I'm just an old Unix fart. Besides I"m beta testing for them
> >> and I like to keep my hand in."
> >>
> >> Thanks Jan, god bless you.
> >>
> >> Lennart, wise up.
> >
> > I have to say both you and Lennart appeared to be talking past each
> other.
> > In a normal boot process does the os pass through runlevel 2?
> >
> > Because if it does then the fact that udev gets started in rc.S (typo?)
> and
> > killed in runlevel 2 but you still have udev running is a mystery to me
> > also.
> >
> > At the very least what Lennart is trying to warn you about is that when
> you
> > switch to runlevel 2, the K script is supposed to stop udev. Scripts
> > beginning with K are kill scripts.
>
> Lennart wasn't trying to warn me about anything he was trying to self
> aggrandize. He didn't understand the problem, he presumed syvinit,
> even though Debian is now using Dependency Based Boot. Most
> importantly he did not try to help in the first place, he just
> criticized without knowledge or understanding. He was not trying to
> help he was trying to put down. There is a big difference.
>
>
>
> >
> > Ivan.
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