From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Sun May 1 02:40:56 2011 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 22:40:56 -0400 Subject: Website Stats Message-ID: <5e5a6b424a96c66150a3f4e9fa74043c.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Hello everyone, I am monitoring my web stats with 3 different analyzers but they all report different results. As an example here are the number of visits reported by each... Webalizer - 459 visits AWStats - 943 visits Google Analytics - 1302 visits. Anyone know which would be the most accurate or should I try another web stat analyzer? Thanks -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun May 1 04:05:29 2011 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 00:05:29 -0400 Subject: Website Stats In-Reply-To: <5e5a6b424a96c66150a3f4e9fa74043c.squirrel-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg@public.gmane.org> References: <5e5a6b424a96c66150a3f4e9fa74043c.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: My guess is that they each define "visitors" in a different manner. Notice that Google's number is the sum of the other two. I'd read the manual and see how they define visitors to see where the discrepancy lies instead of adding another analyzer, and thus another different number. -jason On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Jason Carson wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I am monitoring my web stats with 3 different analyzers but they all > report different results. As an example here are the number of visits > reported by each... > > Webalizer - 459 visits > AWStats - 943 visits > Google Analytics - 1302 visits. > > > Anyone know which would be the most accurate or should I try another web > stat analyzer? > > Thanks > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun May 1 17:19:07 2011 From: andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 13:19:07 -0400 Subject: Website Stats In-Reply-To: References: <5e5a6b424a96c66150a3f4e9fa74043c.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Jason Shaw wrote: > My guess is that they each define "visitors" in a different manner. Notice > that Google's number is the sum of the other two. I'd read the manual and > see how they define visitors to see where the discrepancy lies instead of > adding another analyzer, and thus another different number. > > -jason > > There's no such thing as a "visit" in HTTP -- only "hits", which are individual requests for resources. The notion of a "visit" is essentially a grouping of HTTP requests into something approximating a single user's session on your site. HTTP is a stateless protocol, so unless you have application-specific session tracking logic, the best you can do is guess at user sessions from the individual request data. Different programs use different methods for gathering usage data (in-browser javascript, server logs, both), and different algorithms for analyzing the raw data and reconstructing the "visit" information. I don't know which of these is best. I know a lot of people are satisfied with Google's approach and I presume that their in-browser data gathering would give them a better chance of tracking visits than a purely server-log approach, but they also miss entirely visits from people with JS disabled. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org Sun May 1 16:32:14 2011 From: sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org (sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 12:32:14 -0400 Subject: Website Stats In-Reply-To: References: <5e5a6b424a96c66150a3f4e9fa74043c.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: Sorry to say: 459 + 943 = 1402, not 1302. Google is likely doing something entirely unrelated to the other two analyzers. I would have conjectured like you that if they really did add up, a relationship of some kind would have existed. Paul King > My guess is that they each define "visitors" in a different manner. Notice > that Google's number is the sum of the other two. I'd read the manual and > see how they define visitors to see where the discrepancy lies instead of > adding another analyzer, and thus another different number. > > -jason > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Jason Carson > wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> I am monitoring my web stats with 3 different analyzers but they all >> report different results. As an example here are the number of visits >> reported by each... >> >> Webalizer - 459 visits >> AWStats - 943 visits >> Google Analytics - 1302 visits. >> >> >> Anyone know which would be the most accurate or should I try another web >> stat analyzer? >> >> Thanks >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun May 1 22:27:25 2011 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 18:27:25 -0400 Subject: Website Stats In-Reply-To: References: <5e5a6b424a96c66150a3f4e9fa74043c.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: You are correct. I was too quick in eyeballing that sum. Move along, nothing to see here :) -jason On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:32 PM, wrote: > Sorry to say: 459 + 943 = 1402, not 1302. Google is likely doing something > entirely unrelated to the other two analyzers. I would have conjectured > like you that if they really did add up, a relationship of some kind would > have existed. > > Paul King > > > My guess is that they each define "visitors" in a different manner. > Notice > > that Google's number is the sum of the other two. I'd read the manual > and > > see how they define visitors to see where the discrepancy lies instead of > > adding another analyzer, and thus another different number. > > > > -jason > > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Jason Carson > > wrote: > > > >> Hello everyone, > >> > >> I am monitoring my web stats with 3 different analyzers but they all > >> report different results. As an example here are the number of visits > >> reported by each... > >> > >> Webalizer - 459 visits > >> AWStats - 943 visits > >> Google Analytics - 1302 visits. > >> > >> > >> Anyone know which would be the most accurate or should I try another web > >> stat analyzer? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > >> > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon May 2 16:14:38 2011 From: el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:14:38 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <4DBED3F3.9070605-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <69c98c7796efd2f32ed0f34c8764a372.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20110429181901.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DBB11D1.3030205@rogers.com> <4DBED3F3.9070605@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Yanni Chiu wrote: > On 29/04/11 4:14 PM, Mike wrote: >> >> Rampant dynamic range compression has, ironically, made many original >> vinyl recordings sound much better than the latest CD remasterings, >> even though the CD still arguably remains superior in many ways. > > Does anyone else think that a radio station broadcast often sounds better > than the CD playing in the CD player (i.e. not CD transferred to MP3)? Is > this due to the audio engineer fine tuning with the equalizer, or has the CD > "recording" been intentionally neutered. I've been seeing on the playlist of > internet radio stations, something like "AAAA (radio edit)" for some songs. > FM broadcasters have always used dynamic range compression so that the fairly noisy process of capturing and demodulating FM signals isn't too intrusive. Listening to quiet classical passages, for example, over FM would be mostly noise if they didn't raise their level to a reasonable margin above the noise floor. Another consequence of this is that the program appears louder throughout. Since CDs have a dynamic range of 96dB, much more than FM, this dynamic range compression is not necessary. Accounting statisticians and focus groups have told the record companies that "louder is better", and will sell more units. Sound quality is no longer seen as a selling point. So the irony is that we now have an extremely accurate and well-understood digital audio format that is being used to hold signal mastered no better than for cassette tape. "Radio Edits" are usually simply shorter, for commercial radio... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon May 2 15:55:31 2011 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 11:55:31 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: <69c98c7796efd2f32ed0f34c8764a372.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20110429181901.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DBB11D1.3030205@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DBED3F3.9070605@rogers.com> On 29/04/11 4:14 PM, Mike wrote: > > Rampant dynamic range compression has, ironically, made many original > vinyl recordings sound much better than the latest CD remasterings, > even though the CD still arguably remains superior in many ways. Does anyone else think that a radio station broadcast often sounds better than the CD playing in the CD player (i.e. not CD transferred to MP3)? Is this due to the audio engineer fine tuning with the equalizer, or has the CD "recording" been intentionally neutered. I've been seeing on the playlist of internet radio stations, something like "AAAA (radio edit)" for some songs. > Industrial dynamic range compression notwithstanding, I've been > digitizing vinyl recordings for years now. There's something just a > little weird about listening to what is clearly my old turntable in my > car, for example :-) If I'm in a hurry, I'll even leave in the needle > drops. The needle drops sounded odd the first few times, but I just got used to it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon May 2 16:21:57 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 12:21:57 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <4DBED3F3.9070605-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <69c98c7796efd2f32ed0f34c8764a372.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20110429181901.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DBB11D1.3030205@rogers.com> <4DBED3F3.9070605@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DBEDA25.2040907@rogers.com> Yanni Chiu wrote: > Does anyone else think that a radio station broadcast often sounds > better than the CD playing in the CD player (i.e. not CD transferred > to MP3)? Is this due to the audio engineer fine tuning with the > equalizer, or has the CD "recording" been intentionally neutered. I've > been seeing on the playlist of internet radio stations, something like > "AAAA (radio edit)" for some songs. Well, for starters, even FM radio isn't capable of passing what a CD can do, so some compression is necessary. On top of that, many stations have the horrible habit of over processing the audio so that it simply can't sound as good as it might otherwise. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon May 2 17:17:47 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 13:17:47 -0400 Subject: Problem combining/merging patches. Message-ID: <4DBEE73B.5030602@alteeve.com> Hi all, I've got three patches that I am trying to merge into one patch. However, even using 'combinediff', kompare complains that the diff is malformed. Could someone show me the magical incantation to merge these? http://alteeve.com/xen/patch1.patch http://alteeve.com/xen/patch2.patch http://alteeve.com/xen/patch3.patch I'd like to merge them into: http://alteeve.com/xen/xen_match_vif_mtu_to_bridge_mtu.patch Thanks! -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon May 2 17:48:41 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <4DBED3F3.9070605-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <69c98c7796efd2f32ed0f34c8764a372.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20110429181901.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DBB11D1.3030205@rogers.com> <4DBED3F3.9070605@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: Yanni Chiu | Does anyone else think that a radio station broadcast often sounds better than | the CD playing in the CD player (i.e. not CD transferred to MP3)? Is this due | to the audio engineer fine tuning with the equalizer, or has the CD | "recording" been intentionally neutered. I've been seeing on the playlist of | internet radio stations, something like "AAAA (radio edit)" for some songs. For sure FM doesn't have the dynamic range of CD. And it doesn't carry nearly as high frequencies: the FM L+R signal is 30Hz - 15kHz, the CD is sort of DC to 22.05kHz (that high-end presumes a perfect band-pass filter). So the best FM cannot be as good as the best CD. As others have explained, many radio stations do quite radical compression of the dynamic range. Compression is used to make the majority of the sound louder, closter to the peaks of volume. If you think that this sounds better, you are lucky. At first superficial listen, compressed sounds sounds better. I find it wearing so I don't enjoy listening to it for long. Besides: louder always sounds better. But your listeners can turn up the volume. Compression takes control away from your listeners. Compression of dynamic range in radio is useful to me because I only listen to radio in a car and the noise floor in a car is very high. That leaves a narrower than usual range between too quiet to hear and so noisy that it hurts. Last time I paid attention (a long time ago) there were only two stations that didn't compress their dynamic range: CBC FM and CJRT. The explanation for radio station dynamic range compression used to be that people tuned their radios to the loudest station they heard when scanning the dial. This may be obsolete: an AM-radio feature. The biggest sin in broadcasting: dead air. Apparently listeners tune out immediately. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon May 2 17:51:26 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux figures in the FBI's most wanted terrorist list Message-ID: Click on the only non-islamic name on the list. The last paragraph mentions LINUX (Bin Laden is number one with a bullet.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon May 2 17:57:49 2011 From: el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:57:49 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: <69c98c7796efd2f32ed0f34c8764a372.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20110429181901.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DBB11D1.3030205@rogers.com> <4DBED3F3.9070605@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:48 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > The biggest sin in broadcasting: dead air. ?Apparently listeners tune > out immediately. Apropos of 'dead air' (and at the risk of further 'offing' the topic): RIP CKLN :-( -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mdhillca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon May 2 18:19:51 2011 From: mdhillca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Hill) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 14:19:51 -0400 Subject: Linux figures in the FBI's most wanted terrorist list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:51 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > The last paragraph mentions LINUX It's the combination of Linux and veganism that raises the flag. Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon May 2 18:37:10 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 14:37:10 -0400 Subject: Linux figures in the FBI's most wanted terrorist list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:51 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > Click on the only non-islamic name on the list. ?The last paragraph > mentions LINUX Not a nice person, but the fact that he has worked as a Linux networking person suggests he still has some hope for redemption (after some time in jail). On the other if he was a Microsoft Windows consultant, well, the US does still have the death penalty for crimes against humanity don't they ... :-) . Colin McGregor > (Bin Laden is number one with a bullet.) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Mon May 2 18:58:31 2011 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 14:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Problem combining/merging patches. In-Reply-To: <4DBEE73B.5030602-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4DBEE73B.5030602@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 May 2011, Digimer wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got three patches that I am trying to merge into one patch. > However, even using 'combinediff', kompare complains that the diff is > malformed. > > Could someone show me the magical incantation to merge these? > > http://alteeve.com/xen/patch1.patch > http://alteeve.com/xen/patch2.patch > http://alteeve.com/xen/patch3.patch > > I'd like to merge them into: > > http://alteeve.com/xen/xen_match_vif_mtu_to_bridge_mtu.patch Apply the patches to a copy of the file, then do a diff of the file with and without the patches. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon May 2 19:01:53 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 15:01:53 -0400 Subject: Problem combining/merging patches. In-Reply-To: <4DBEE73B.5030602-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4DBEE73B.5030602@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20110502190153.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 01:17:47PM -0400, Digimer wrote: > I've got three patches that I am trying to merge into one patch. > However, even using 'combinediff', kompare complains that the diff is > malformed. > > Could someone show me the magical incantation to merge these? > > http://alteeve.com/xen/patch1.patch > http://alteeve.com/xen/patch2.patch > http://alteeve.com/xen/patch3.patch > > I'd like to merge them into: > > http://alteeve.com/xen/xen_match_vif_mtu_to_bridge_mtu.patch That patch is already exactly the other three patches combined. Since they are three patches that apply to three seperate files, combinediff isn't needed. Just cat'ing them together is fine, which is what that last patch already is. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon May 2 20:15:30 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 16:15:30 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: <69c98c7796efd2f32ed0f34c8764a372.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20110429181901.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DBB11D1.3030205@rogers.com> <4DBED3F3.9070605@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DBF10E2.7000601@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > The biggest sin in broadcasting: dead air. Apparently listeners tune > out immediately. I'd rather have that than some of the "hosts" who think people are actually interested in their rambling inane comments and their idiotic sound effects etc (Ray Michaels on CKOC is an excellent example of that one). A close second would be those who talk over the songs. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon May 2 20:31:10 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 16:31:10 -0400 Subject: Problem combining/merging patches. In-Reply-To: <20110502190153.GA21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4DBEE73B.5030602@alteeve.com> <20110502190153.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DBF148E.1000401@alteeve.com> On 05/02/2011 03:01 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 01:17:47PM -0400, Digimer wrote: >> I've got three patches that I am trying to merge into one patch. >> However, even using 'combinediff', kompare complains that the diff is >> malformed. >> >> Could someone show me the magical incantation to merge these? >> >> http://alteeve.com/xen/patch1.patch >> http://alteeve.com/xen/patch2.patch >> http://alteeve.com/xen/patch3.patch >> >> I'd like to merge them into: >> >> http://alteeve.com/xen/xen_match_vif_mtu_to_bridge_mtu.patch > > That patch is already exactly the other three patches combined. > > Since they are three patches that apply to three seperate files, > combinediff isn't needed. Just cat'ing them together is fine, which is > what that last patch already is. Maybe it's a bug in 'kompare' then... Thanks. :) -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue May 3 00:44:27 2011 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 20:44:27 -0400 Subject: Linux figures in the FBI's most wanted terrorist list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110502204427.25f7d06d.hgibson@eol.ca> On Mon, 2 May 2011 13:51:26 -0400 (EDT) "D. Hugh Redelmeier" wrote: > > Click on the only non-islamic name on the list. The last paragraph > mentions LINUX Does his handgun run on Linux? -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 4 00:28:51 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 20:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: anyone want Token Ring network cards? Message-ID: [If you don't know what these are, you don't want them. If you do know what they are, you probably know that you don't want them.] I have two Pure Data PCI cards that support Token Ring. I got them a decade ago in off-lease comupters that had been used in a bank. Each has two connectors: D9 and RJ-something. It says 16/4 (the two supported speeds). I've never used these -- I have no MAU. I do have a printer with a token-ring adapter. Free, of course. Let me know soon if you are interested. I should be able to deliver them to the meeting next week. Other methods of transfer are negotiable. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 4 00:34:03 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 20:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: free 10/100 ethernet cards Message-ID: I have more of these than I'll ever use. At least half a dozen spare. PCI, Various brands and chips, all supported by Linux. Oh, and one 10baseT-only card (came from Rogers with my "Wave" installation). Anyone interested? I could probably bring them to the next TLUG meeting. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 4 14:27:23 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 10:27:23 -0400 Subject: Two computers with remote access Message-ID: <4DC1624B.4070509@rogers.com> I now have a new desktop Ubuntu machine, and I am keeping the old machine running as a server. Currently I use SSH and NXClient for remote desktop on the old machine. I want the same access for the new machine. Is it as simple as opening a new public port, configuring the router to direct that to the new machine, and configuring the NXClient to use either port? I use key encryption for the SSH. Any problems to be aware of? The client is a Windows 7 laptop. Any better way to this? Thanks Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed May 4 16:50:46 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 12:50:46 -0400 Subject: Colour Laser Network Printer for Sale Message-ID: <20110504165043.GA22676@yam.witteman.ca> I am trying to unload a Lexmark C500n printer - it doesn't speak to my wife's new Mac, and I don't print. It apparently works "Mostly" on Linux - I never tried very hard to get it working, so I can't say for sure, but it prints just fine and has ink. Anyone interested? Price? Cheap. Make me an offer. Something under $100, but there is a strong interest in getting it out of my living room. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 4 17:06:58 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 13:06:58 -0400 Subject: Deb packaging assistance Message-ID: Afternoon, I am trying to create a netatalk package with SSL capabilities and seem to be missing something. I would be grateful if someone here can point out what I may be overlooking. This is Ubuntu 10.10 and it has openssl installed dpkg -l | grep ssl ii openssl 0.9.8o-1ubuntu4.1 Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools Below is my packaging rules: DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := \ --with-shadow --enable-fhs \ --enable-tcp-wrappers \ --enable-timelord --enable-overwrite \ --with-pkgconfdir=/etc/netatalk \ --with-nls-dir=/usr/share/netatalk/nls \ --enable-krb4-uam --enable-krbV-uam \ --with-cnid-dbd-txn \ --disable-logger --enable-srvloc \ --with-libgcrypt-dir \ --with-cracklib=/var/cache/cracklib/cracklib_dict \ --enable-debian DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=ssl debuild Below is what the packager seem to have done. Notice it says "--without-ssl-dir ". Does this mean no SSL? -fstack-protector -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -Wformat -Wformat-security " CXXFLAGS="-g -O2 -g -Wall -O2" CPPFLAGS="" LDFLAGS="-Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -fPIE -pie -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-z,now " /home/administrator/netatalk-2.1.2/./configure --build=x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --includedir="\${prefix}/include" --mandir="\${prefix}/share/man" --infodir="\${prefix}/share/info" --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --libexecdir="\${prefix}/lib/netatalk" --disable-maintainer-mode --disable-dependency-tracking --disable-silent-rules --srcdir=. --with-shadow --enable-fhs --enable-tcp-wrappers --enable-timelord --enable-overwrite --with-pkgconfdir=/etc/netatalk --with-nls-dir=/usr/share/netatalk/nls --enable-krb4-uam --enable-krbV-uam --with-cnid-dbd-txn --with-libgcrypt-dir --with-cracklib=/var/cache/cracklib/cracklib_dict --enable-debian --disable-srvloc --disable-zeroconf --without-ssl-dir Another package output that can help: config.status: executing default commands Using libraries: LIBS = -lcrack -L$(top_srcdir)/libatalk CFLAGS = -I$(top_srcdir)/include -D_U_="__attribute__((unused))" -g -O2 -g -Wall -O2 -fPIE -fstack-protector -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -Wformat -Wformat-security -I$(top_srcdir)/sys LIBGCRYPT: LIBS = -lgcrypt CFLAGS = PAM: LIBS = -lpam CFLAGS = WRAP: LIBS = -lwrap CFLAGS = BDB: LIBS = -L/usr/lib64 -ldb-4.8 CFLAGS = GSSAPI: LIBS = -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -fPIE -pie -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-z,now -lgssapi_krb5 -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -lgssapi_krb5 -lkrb5 -lk5crypto -lcom_err CFLAGS = CUPS: LIBS = -lcups -lgssapi_krb5 -lgnutls -lgcrypt -lz -lm -lcrypt CFLAGS = Configure summary: Install style: debian AFP: AFP 3.x calls activated: yes Large file support (>2GB) for AFP3: yes Extended Attributes: ad | sys DDP enabled: yes CNID: backends: dbd last tdb UAMS: DHX2 (PAM SHADOW) Kerberos V Kerberos IV passwd (PAM SHADOW) guest Options: CUPS support: yes SLP support: no tcp wrapper support: yes quota support: yes admin group support: yes valid shell check: yes cracklib support: yes dropbox kludge: no force volume uid/gid: no Apple 2 boot support: no ACL support: no I have searched the whole package logs and I can not see a point where the packager is looking for SSL. Does this mean the packager is ignoring the directive to use SSL? Is there any other way to ascertain SSL is in use. I do not have the luxury of using netatalk logs, as apparently, it does not have the logging facility. Any assistance would be highly appreaciated. William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed May 4 17:41:49 2011 From: andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 13:41:49 -0400 Subject: Deb packaging assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:06 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > Afternoon, > > I am trying to create a netatalk package with SSL capabilities and > seem to be missing something. ?I would be grateful if someone here can > point out what I may be overlooking. ?This is Ubuntu 10.10 and it has > openssl installed > > dpkg -l | grep ssl > ii ?openssl ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?0.9.8o-1ubuntu4.1 > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related > cryptographic tools > You don't seem to have the openssl dev package installed. It seems to be called libssl-dev on Ubuntu. The openssl package only contains binaries, not headers. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 4 19:19:45 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 15:19:45 -0400 Subject: Deb packaging assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Andrej, Good afternoon, thanks for the response. >> > > You don't seem to have the openssl dev package installed. It seems to > be called libssl-dev on Ubuntu. > Hmm, I do actually have the headers already. dpkg -l | grep libssl-dev ii libssl-dev 0.9.8o-1ubuntu4.4 SSL development libraries, header files and documentation > The openssl package only contains binaries, not headers. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed May 4 20:29:31 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 16:29:31 -0400 Subject: Deb packaging assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:06 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > Afternoon, > > I am trying to create a netatalk package with SSL capabilities and > seem to be missing something. ?I would be grateful if someone here can > point out what I may be overlooking. ?This is Ubuntu 10.10 and it has > openssl installed > > dpkg -l | grep ssl > ii ?openssl ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?0.9.8o-1ubuntu4.1 > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related > cryptographic tools > > Below is my packaging rules: > > DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := \ > ? ? ? ?--with-shadow --enable-fhs ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\ > ? ? ? ?--enable-tcp-wrappers ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? \ > ? ? ? ?--enable-timelord --enable-overwrite ? ?\ > ? ? ? ?--with-pkgconfdir=/etc/netatalk ? ? ? ? \ > ? ? ? ?--with-nls-dir=/usr/share/netatalk/nls \ > ? ? ? ?--enable-krb4-uam --enable-krbV-uam ? ? \ > ? ? ? ?--with-cnid-dbd-txn ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? \ > ? ? ? ?--disable-logger --enable-srvloc \ > ? ? ? ?--with-libgcrypt-dir ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?\ > ? ? ? ?--with-cracklib=/var/cache/cracklib/cracklib_dict ? ? ? \ > ? ? ? ?--enable-debian > > DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=ssl debuild > > > Below is what the packager seem to have done. ?Notice it says > "--without-ssl-dir ". ?Does this mean no SSL? > > ?-fstack-protector ?-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 ?-Wformat -Wformat-security " > CXXFLAGS="-g -O2 -g -Wall -O2" CPPFLAGS="" > LDFLAGS="-Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions ?-fPIE -pie ?-Wl,-z,relro > -Wl,-z,now " /home/administrator/netatalk-2.1.2/./configure > --build=x86_64-linux-gnu ?--prefix=/usr > --includedir="\${prefix}/include" --mandir="\${prefix}/share/man" > --infodir="\${prefix}/share/info" --sysconfdir=/etc > --localstatedir=/var --libexecdir="\${prefix}/lib/netatalk" > --disable-maintainer-mode --disable-dependency-tracking > --disable-silent-rules --srcdir=. ?--with-shadow --enable-fhs > --enable-tcp-wrappers --enable-timelord --enable-overwrite > --with-pkgconfdir=/etc/netatalk --with-nls-dir=/usr/share/netatalk/nls > --enable-krb4-uam --enable-krbV-uam --with-cnid-dbd-txn > --with-libgcrypt-dir --with-cracklib=/var/cache/cracklib/cracklib_dict > --enable-debian --disable-srvloc --disable-zeroconf --without-ssl-dir > > Another package output that can help: > > config.status: executing default commands > Using libraries: > ? ?LIBS = ?-lcrack -L$(top_srcdir)/libatalk > ? ?CFLAGS = -I$(top_srcdir)/include -D_U_="__attribute__((unused))" > -g -O2 -g -Wall -O2 ?-fPIE ?-fstack-protector ?-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 > -Wformat -Wformat-security ?-I$(top_srcdir)/sys > ? ?LIBGCRYPT: > ? ? ? ?LIBS ? = -lgcrypt > ? ? ? ?CFLAGS = > ? ?PAM: > ? ? ? ?LIBS ? = ?-lpam > ? ? ? ?CFLAGS = > ? ?WRAP: > ? ? ? ?LIBS ? = -lwrap > ? ? ? ?CFLAGS = > ? ?BDB: > ? ? ? ?LIBS ? = ?-L/usr/lib64 -ldb-4.8 > ? ? ? ?CFLAGS = > ? ?GSSAPI: > ? ? ? ?LIBS ? = -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions ?-fPIE -pie ?-Wl,-z,relro > -Wl,-z,now ? -lgssapi_krb5 -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -lgssapi_krb5 > -lkrb5 -lk5crypto -lcom_err > ? ? ? ?CFLAGS = > ? ?CUPS: > ? ? ? ?LIBS ? = -lcups -lgssapi_krb5 -lgnutls -lgcrypt -lz -lm -lcrypt > ? ? ? ?CFLAGS = > Configure summary: > ? ?Install style: > ? ? ? ? debian > ? ?AFP: > ? ? ? ? AFP 3.x calls activated: yes > ? ? ? ? Large file support (>2GB) for AFP3: yes > ? ? ? ? Extended Attributes: ad | sys > ? ? ? ? DDP enabled: yes > ? ?CNID: > ? ? ? ? backends: ?dbd last tdb > ? ?UAMS: > ? ? ? ? DHX2 ? ?(PAM SHADOW) > ? ? ? ? Kerberos V > ? ? ? ? Kerberos IV > ? ? ? ? passwd ?(PAM SHADOW) > ? ? ? ? guest > ? ?Options: > ? ? ? ? CUPS support: ? ? ? ? ? yes > ? ? ? ? SLP support: ? ? ? ? ? ?no > ? ? ? ? tcp wrapper support: ? ?yes > ? ? ? ? quota support: ? ? ? ? ?yes > ? ? ? ? admin group support: ? ?yes > ? ? ? ? valid shell check: ? ? ?yes > ? ? ? ? cracklib support: ? ? ? yes > ? ? ? ? dropbox kludge: ? ? ? ? no > ? ? ? ? force volume uid/gid: ? no > ? ? ? ? Apple 2 boot support: ? no > ? ? ? ? ACL support: ? ? ? ? ? ?no > > > I have searched the whole package logs and I can not see a point where > the packager is looking for SSL. ?Does this mean the packager is > ignoring the directive to use SSL? ?Is there any other way to > ascertain SSL is in use. ?I do not have the luxury of using netatalk > logs, as apparently, it does not have the logging facility. > > Any assistance would be highly appreaciated. > Maybe you tried this already, but often doing ./configure --help will give you explanations for what the different options mean, and how to build with the options you want. I don't know anything about Netatalk specifically, though. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 4 21:20:16 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Colour Laser Network Printer for Sale In-Reply-To: <20110504165043.GA22676-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110504165043.GA22676@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: | To: tlug | | I am trying to unload a Lexmark C500n printer - it doesn't speak to my | wife's new Mac, and I don't print. It apparently works "Mostly" on | Linux - I never tried very hard to get it working, so I can't say for | sure, but it prints just fine and has ink. according to the spec sheet, it works with OSX 10.2 - 10.4. I hate it when support drops. Linux is way better about that sort of thing. Aren't the printer drivers in OSX mostly shared with Linux (i.e. CUPS)? The answer seems more complicated than that -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed May 4 21:37:47 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:37:47 -0400 Subject: Colour Laser Network Printer for Sale In-Reply-To: References: <20110504165043.GA22676@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20110504213747.GA25287@yam.witteman.ca> On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 05:20:16PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >| To: tlug >| >| I am trying to unload a Lexmark C500n printer - it doesn't speak to my >| wife's new Mac, and I don't print. It apparently works "Mostly" on >| Linux - I never tried very hard to get it working, so I can't say for >| sure, but it prints just fine and has ink. > >according to the spec sheet, it works with OSX 10.2 - 10.4. Yup, once you move to Snow Leopard it becomes no worky. >I hate it when support drops. Linux is way better about that sort of >thing. Me too. CUPS on my Linux machines always found the printer, but I never wanted to waste paper, and I don't print. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed May 4 22:25:05 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:25:05 -0400 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> Message-ID: <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> A little while ago I had a Western Digital Caviar Black drive that was throwing bad sector errors. On the view that storage is cheap and reliability is crucial, I replaced it with a fresh shiny new hard disk (a 1TB Seagate Barracuda), and one way or another managed to restore all the data that was on the damaged disk. This left me with the WD disk. So I tried reformatting it, which should lock out the bad sectors. That seems to work: once reformatted, it passes fsck with no problem, and it has fast access times. Here's the first question. Can I trust this drive now? (I'm inclined to think the answer should be no, on the grounds that once a drive goes bad it should never be trusted again. But more experienced hands should tell me what they think.) One thing I noticed while fooling around with the drives is that my root partition is on what nowadays counts as a low-capacity drive (a "mere" 320GB). So I thought I'd find out how easy or hard it would be to transfer it to a new and larger hard drive. So the first thing I tried was to dd everything (including the MBR) over to a new drive, and then to resize the root partition on the new disk with GParted. No go. GParted wouldn't do it, claiming that things didn't end on cylinder boundaries and that was over. It reminded me why I strongly prefer command-line tools. The second thing I tried was to simply partition the new drive along the lines of the way the old drive was partitioned (namely a boot partition, swap partition, root partition) using all of the new disk, and, once the partitions are properly formatted, then transfer the files on the boot/root partitions using, let's see if I have this right, find . -xdev | cpio from the source. That worked. Then I tried to copy over the boot sectors of the MBR without copying the partition table, using: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=446 count=1 But on boot, I just get GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB... endlessly filling the screen. Drat. Now I confess I cheated; I tried to boot from the new disk "in place" attached via USB, rather than physically replacing the old boot/root disk, and perhaps that's the problem. (Note: I don't see why, since if the drive address is wrong GRUB should just give me a standard failure, like "no kernel detected" or the like.) The struggle is, well, ongoing. So here's the second question. Is there a more sensible/straightforward way to reproduce one disk onto another of larger size? -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hanoglu_b-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu May 5 00:26:08 2011 From: hanoglu_b-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Burhan Hanoglu) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> References: <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> Message-ID: <233575.90739.qm@web113812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Peter, You can boot the computer with a bootable distro CD and then reinstall Grub on the new disk. Make sure it is connected internally. For the first question; I learned the hard way that I should never trust such a disk. At least; make you have a good backup. Regards, Burhan --- On Wed, 5/4/11, Peter King wrote: > From: Peter King > Subject: [TLUG]: How to replace a hard drive... > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 6:25 PM > A little while ago I had a Western > Digital Caviar Black drive that was throwing > bad sector errors. On the view that storage is cheap and > reliability is crucial, > I replaced it with a fresh shiny new hard disk (a 1TB > Seagate Barracuda), and one > way or another managed to restore all the data that was on > the damaged disk. > > This left me with the WD disk. So I tried reformatting it, > which should lock out the > bad sectors. That seems to work: once reformatted, it > passes fsck with no problem, > and it has fast access times. > > Here's the first question. Can I trust this drive now? > > ? (I'm inclined to think the answer should be no, on > the grounds that once a drive > ???goes bad it should never be trusted > again. But more experienced hands should > ???tell me what they think.) > > One thing I noticed while fooling around with the drives is > that my root partition > is on what nowadays counts as a low-capacity drive (a > "mere" 320GB). So I thought > I'd find out how easy or hard it would be to transfer it to > a new and larger hard > drive. > > So the first thing I tried was to dd everything (including > the MBR) over to a new > drive, and then to resize the root partition on the new > disk with GParted. No go. > GParted wouldn't do it, claiming that things didn't end on > cylinder boundaries and > that was over. It reminded me why I strongly prefer > command-line tools. > > The second thing I tried was to simply partition the new > drive along the lines of > the way the old drive was partitioned (namely a boot > partition, swap partition, root > partition) using all of the new disk, and, once the > partitions are properly formatted, > then transfer the files on the boot/root partitions using, > let's see if I have this > right, > > ? ? find . -xdev | cpio > ? ? > from the source. That worked. Then I tried to copy over the > boot sectors of the MBR > without copying the partition table, using: > > ? ? dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=446 count=1 > > But on boot, I just get GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB... endlessly > filling the screen. Drat. > Now I confess I cheated; I tried to boot from the new disk > "in place" attached via > USB, rather than physically replacing the old boot/root > disk, and perhaps that's > the problem. (Note: I don't see why, since if the drive > address is wrong GRUB should > just give me a standard failure, like "no kernel detected" > or the like.) The struggle > is, well, ongoing. > > So here's the second question. Is there a more > sensible/straightforward way to reproduce > one disk onto another of larger size? > > -- > Peter King??? ??? > ???????? peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > Department of Philosophy > 170 St. George Street #521 > The University of Toronto??? > ??? ? ? (416)-978-4951 ofc > Toronto, ON? M5R 2M8 > ? ? ???CANADA > > http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ > > ========================================================================= > GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC? 36F5 > 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu May 5 06:44:03 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 02:44:03 -0400 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> Message-ID: <20110505064403.GA3616@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 06:25:05PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > A little while ago I had a Western Digital Caviar Black drive that was throwing > bad sector errors. On the view that storage is cheap and reliability is crucial, > I replaced it with a fresh shiny new hard disk (a 1TB Seagate Barracuda), and one > way or another managed to restore all the data that was on the damaged disk. > > This left me with the WD disk. So I tried reformatting it, which should lock out the > bad sectors. That seems to work: once reformatted, it passes fsck with no problem, > and it has fast access times. > > Here's the first question. Can I trust this drive now? No. I'm using my "bad" disk to try out latest distros. > > (I'm inclined to think the answer should be no, on the grounds that once a drive > goes bad it should never be trusted again. But more experienced hands should > tell me what they think.) > > One thing I noticed while fooling around with the drives is that my root partition > is on what nowadays counts as a low-capacity drive (a "mere" 320GB). So I thought > I'd find out how easy or hard it would be to transfer it to a new and larger hard > drive. > > So the first thing I tried was to dd everything (including the MBR) over to a new > drive, and then to resize the root partition on the new disk with GParted. No go. > GParted wouldn't do it, claiming that things didn't end on cylinder boundaries and > that was over. It reminded me why I strongly prefer command-line tools. You must have "old" version. I get that kind of error when I partitioned using sectors, and program expects in C/H/S. > > The second thing I tried was to simply partition the new drive along the lines of > the way the old drive was partitioned (namely a boot partition, swap partition, root > partition) using all of the new disk, and, once the partitions are properly formatted, > then transfer the files on the boot/root partitions using, let's see if I have this > right, > > find . -xdev | cpio > > from the source. That worked. Then I tried to copy over the boot sectors of the MBR > without copying the partition table, using: > > dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=446 count=1 > > But on boot, I just get GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB... endlessly filling the screen. Drat. Yes, that would not work. You need to re-install GRUB. > Now I confess I cheated; I tried to boot from the new disk "in place" attached via > USB, rather than physically replacing the old boot/root disk, and perhaps that's > the problem. (Note: I don't see why, since if the drive address is wrong GRUB should > just give me a standard failure, like "no kernel detected" or the like.) The struggle > is, well, ongoing. It may be that the order of disks your computer sees is not what you expect. > > So here's the second question. Is there a more sensible/straightforward way to reproduce > one disk onto another of larger size? You should be able to "dd" the whole disk, and then adjust the last primary or extended partition. Then, re-install boot loader. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu May 5 16:38:42 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 12:38:42 -0400 Subject: free 10/100 ethernet cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110505163842.GB21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 08:34:03PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I have more of these than I'll ever use. At least half a dozen spare. > PCI, Various brands and chips, all supported by Linux. > > Oh, and one 10baseT-only card (came from Rogers with my "Wave" > installation). Must be a RTL8029 card. NE2000 PCI. I remember those. I used to have RTL8019 cards in my 486 (ISA version) before moving to 3c509 cards. > Anyone interested? > > I could probably bring them to the next TLUG meeting. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu May 5 16:40:36 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 12:40:36 -0400 Subject: Colour Laser Network Printer for Sale In-Reply-To: References: <20110504165043.GA22676@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20110505164036.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 05:20:16PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > according to the spec sheet, it works with OSX 10.2 - 10.4. > > > > I hate it when support drops. Linux is way better about that sort of > thing. > > Aren't the printer drivers in OSX mostly shared with Linux (i.e. > CUPS)? The answer seems more complicated than that > Certainly if you can make it work with linux, then running a cups server on linux should make the mac happy since it will simply be a postscript printer at that point. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu May 5 16:45:06 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 12:45:06 -0400 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> Message-ID: <20110505164506.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 06:25:05PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > A little while ago I had a Western Digital Caviar Black drive that was throwing > bad sector errors. On the view that storage is cheap and reliability is crucial, > I replaced it with a fresh shiny new hard disk (a 1TB Seagate Barracuda), and one > way or another managed to restore all the data that was on the damaged disk. > > This left me with the WD disk. So I tried reformatting it, which should lock out the > bad sectors. That seems to work: once reformatted, it passes fsck with no problem, > and it has fast access times. fsck means nothing. Use mkfs with badblock check. Unless you low level formatted it, nothing is done about bad sectors. Of course modern drives don't need that since they can automatically map bad sectors _on_write_ (not on read). Writing to the whole disk should help the drive remap all bad sectors. > Here's the first question. Can I trust this drive now? > > (I'm inclined to think the answer should be no, on the grounds that once a drive > goes bad it should never be trusted again. But more experienced hands should > tell me what they think.) Well I wouldn't personally trust it. > One thing I noticed while fooling around with the drives is that my root partition > is on what nowadays counts as a low-capacity drive (a "mere" 320GB). So I thought > I'd find out how easy or hard it would be to transfer it to a new and larger hard > drive. > > So the first thing I tried was to dd everything (including the MBR) over to a new > drive, and then to resize the root partition on the new disk with GParted. No go. > GParted wouldn't do it, claiming that things didn't end on cylinder boundaries and > that was over. It reminded me why I strongly prefer command-line tools. > > The second thing I tried was to simply partition the new drive along the lines of > the way the old drive was partitioned (namely a boot partition, swap partition, root > partition) using all of the new disk, and, once the partitions are properly formatted, > then transfer the files on the boot/root partitions using, let's see if I have this > right, > > find . -xdev | cpio rsync -aHx would be my choice. I have never found cpio a useful tool (the syntax is horrible). > from the source. That worked. Then I tried to copy over the boot sectors of the MBR > without copying the partition table, using: > > dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=446 count=1 No, reinstall grub. The file is no longer in the same place on the new drive so the boot sector is meaningless. > But on boot, I just get GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB... endlessly filling the screen. Drat. > Now I confess I cheated; I tried to boot from the new disk "in place" attached via > USB, rather than physically replacing the old boot/root disk, and perhaps that's > the problem. (Note: I don't see why, since if the drive address is wrong GRUB should > just give me a standard failure, like "no kernel detected" or the like.) The struggle > is, well, ongoing. GRUB GRUB GRUB means stage1 can't load other parts of grub, which makes sense since it isn't where it used to be. > So here's the second question. Is there a more sensible/straightforward way to reproduce > one disk onto another of larger size? Just do a new grub-install and you will be fine. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Thu May 5 17:41:04 2011 From: ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Ori Idan) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 20:41:04 +0300 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: <20110505164506.GD21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> <20110505164506.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 06:25:05PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > > A little while ago I had a Western Digital Caviar Black drive that was > throwing > > bad sector errors. On the view that storage is cheap and reliability is > crucial, > > I replaced it with a fresh shiny new hard disk (a 1TB Seagate Barracuda), > and one > > way or another managed to restore all the data that was on the damaged > disk. > > > > This left me with the WD disk. So I tried reformatting it, which should > lock out the > > bad sectors. That seems to work: once reformatted, it passes fsck with no > problem, > > and it has fast access times. > > fsck means nothing. Use mkfs with badblock check. Unless you low level > formatted it, nothing is done about bad sectors. Of course modern drives > don't need that since they can automatically map bad sectors _on_write_ > (not on read). Writing to the whole disk should help the drive remap > all bad sectors. > > Once the drive starts to develop bad sectors, the amount of bad sectors seem to grow experientially, this is at least my experience, so I would not count on such a drive. -- Ori Idan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu May 5 20:57:58 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 16:57:58 -0400 Subject: Colour Laser Network Printer for Sale In-Reply-To: <20110504165043.GA22676-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110504165043.GA22676@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20110505205758.GB6506@yam.witteman.ca> On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 12:50:46PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >Anyone interested? Price? Cheap. Make me an offer. Something under >$100, but there is a strong interest in getting it out of my living >room. Sold! Thanks for any further interest, but I no longer have the object in question. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu May 5 22:06:01 2011 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 22:06:01 +0000 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> <20110505164506.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca>, Message-ID: From: ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 20:41:04 +0300 Subject: Re: [TLUG]: How to replace a hard drive... To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 06:25:05PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > A little while ago I had a Western Digital Caviar Black drive that was throwing > bad sector errors. On the view that storage is cheap and reliability is crucial, > I replaced it with a fresh shiny new hard disk (a 1TB Seagate Barracuda), and one > way or another managed to restore all the data that was on the damaged disk. > > This left me with the WD disk. So I tried reformatting it, which should lock out the > bad sectors. That seems to work: once reformatted, it passes fsck with no problem, > and it has fast access times. fsck means nothing. Use mkfs with badblock check. Unless you low level formatted it, nothing is done about bad sectors. Of course modern drives don't need that since they can automatically map bad sectors _on_write_ (not on read). Writing to the whole disk should help the drive remap all bad sectors. Once the drive starts to develop bad sectors, the amount of bad sectors seem to grow experientially, this is at least my experience, so I would not count on such a drive. -- Ori Idan So what does experientially actually mean? It sounds like a nifty word actually looking for a meaning. John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hanoglu_b-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri May 6 04:27:36 2011 From: hanoglu_b-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Burhan Hanoglu) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 21:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: meaning of "experientially"... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <652636.44939.qm@web113812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >>So what does experientially actually mean? It sounds like a nifty word actually looking for a >>meaning. "relating to, derived from, or providing experience." http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/experientially Regards, Burhan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Fri May 6 06:07:16 2011 From: ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Ori Idan) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 09:07:16 +0300 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> <20110505164506.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:06 AM, wrote: > > > ------------------------------ > From: ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org > Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 20:41:04 +0300 > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: How to replace a hard drive... > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > > > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Lennart Sorensen < > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 06:25:05PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > > A little while ago I had a Western Digital Caviar Black drive that was > throwing > > bad sector errors. On the view that storage is cheap and reliability is > crucial, > > I replaced it with a fresh shiny new hard disk (a 1TB Seagate Barracuda), > and one > > way or another managed to restore all the data that was on the damaged > disk. > > > > This left me with the WD disk. So I tried reformatting it, which should > lock out the > > bad sectors. That seems to work: once reformatted, it passes fsck with no > problem, > > and it has fast access times. > > fsck means nothing. Use mkfs with badblock check. Unless you low level > formatted it, nothing is done about bad sectors. Of course modern drives > don't need that since they can automatically map bad sectors _on_write_ > (not on read). Writing to the whole disk should help the drive remap > all bad sectors. > > Once the drive starts to develop bad sectors, the amount of bad sectors > seem to grow experientially, this is at least my experience, so I would not > count on such a drive. > > -- > Ori Idan > > So what does experientially actually mean? It sounds like a nifty word > actually looking for a meaning. > Sorry for the typo, I meant exponential. -- Ori Idan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri May 6 13:18:06 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 09:18:06 -0400 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> Message-ID: <20110506131806.GA30490@amber> > Here's the first question. Can I trust this drive now? The consensus seems to be that it is NOT a good idea. Another bit of landfill, I suppose. > So here's the second question. Is there a more sensible/straightforward way to reproduce > one disk onto another of larger size? The consensus seems to be: partition the new disk; copy over files (versions using cpio, tar, and rsync have been mentioned); mount the new disk and chroot into it to grub-install. Thanks to one and all! -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[Y/n/?] Get:1 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/contrib nvidia-common amd64 20110426+1 [13.3 kB] Fetched 13.3 kB in 0s (19.4 kB/s) Preconfiguring packages ... dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 12505 package 'nvidiabinaryblob': error in Version string 'pkg2-1': version number does not start with digit (Reading database ... 196539 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace nvidia-common 20110213+1 (using .../nvidia-common_20110426+1_amd64.deb) ... Unpacking replacement nvidia-common ... Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 configured to not write apport reports Errors were encountered while processing: nvidia-common E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 Errors were encountered while processing: nvidia-common I tried again: # aptitude install nvidia-common The following partially installed packages will be configured: nvidia-common No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 352 not upgraded. Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 configured to not write apport reports Errors were encountered while processing: nvidia-common E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 Errors were encountered while processing: nvidia-common Since this is failing, any number of other packages are refusing to install as well because aptitude insists on attempting to install nvidia-common first. Also, several packages that require nvidia-specific drivers ("hugin" and "k3b" at least) are currently failing to work. I rely on both these programs, so suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun May 8 11:47:03 2011 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 07:47:03 -0400 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: <20110505164506.GD21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> <20110505164506.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: I have a couple of USB flash drives that give me I/O errors whenever I copy stuff to a specific spot on the drive. ie. when I get to the 6Gb mark on one, whatever the file is I'm writing to the drive, it fails. If I run "fsck.vfat" against the drive, it always finds an error and fixes it ... and then I have exactly the same problem again. Now I read Lennart's view on fsck in the thread about bad hard drives: On 5 May 2011 12:45, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > fsck means nothing. ?Use mkfs with badblock check. ?Unless you low level > formatted it, nothing is done about bad sectors. ?Of course modern drives > don't need that since they can automatically map bad sectors _on_write_ > (not on read). ?Writing to the whole disk should help the drive remap > all bad sectors. The man page says "dosfsck - check and repair MS-DOS file systems". So it moves stuff around but doesn't tag bad sectors? That doesn't seem like much of a fix. Does this solution also apply to flash drives? (That is, I should reformat them with a badblock check?) These drives don't seem to be remapping on write ... -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun May 8 11:58:48 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell reiter) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 07:58:48 -0400 Subject: nvidia-common package problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You could try using module-assistant. # apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common # m-a update # m-a prepare # m-a auto-install nvidia On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Giles Orr wrote: > I'm running Debian amd64 testing on a Core 2 system with an Nvidia > GeForce 8400 GS video card. ?I'm using the nvidia proprietary driver > (although switching to the nouveau driver is looking like a better and > better idea ... does it do dual head?). ?Whenever I try to do a system > upgrade ("aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade") it hangs on the > nvidia-common package, as below: > > # aptitude install nvidia-common > The following packages will be upgraded: > ?nvidia-common > 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 352 not upgraded. > Need to get 13.3 kB of archives. After unpacking 12.3 kB will be used. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] > Get:1 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/contrib nvidia-common > amd64 20110426+1 [13.3 kB] > Fetched 13.3 kB in 0s (19.4 kB/s) > Preconfiguring packages ... > dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 12505 > package 'nvidiabinaryblob': > ?error in Version string 'pkg2-1': version number does not start with digit > (Reading database ... 196539 files and directories currently installed.) > Preparing to replace nvidia-common 20110213+1 (using > .../nvidia-common_20110426+1_amd64.deb) ... > Unpacking replacement nvidia-common ... > Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... > dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): > ?subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 > configured to not write apport reports > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Errors were encountered while processing: > ?nvidia-common > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > A package failed to install. ?Trying to recover: > Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... > dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): > ?subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 > Errors were encountered while processing: > ?nvidia-common > > > I tried again: > > > # aptitude install nvidia-common > The following partially installed packages will be configured: > ?nvidia-common > No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. > 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 352 not upgraded. > Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. > Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... > dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): > ?subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 > configured to not write apport reports > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Errors were encountered while processing: > ?nvidia-common > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > A package failed to install. ?Trying to recover: > Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... > dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): > ?subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 > Errors were encountered while processing: > ?nvidia-common > > > Since this is failing, any number of other packages are refusing to > install as well because aptitude insists on attempting to install > nvidia-common first. ?Also, several packages that require > nvidia-specific drivers ("hugin" and "k3b" at least) are currently > failing to work. ?I rely on both these programs, so suggestions would > be greatly appreciated. ?Thanks. > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun May 8 21:59:14 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 17:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> <20110505164506.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Giles Orr | | I have a couple of USB flash drives that give me I/O errors whenever I | copy stuff to a specific spot on the drive. ie. when I get to the 6Gb | mark on one, whatever the file is I'm writing to the drive, it fails. What is the error? What does the kernel log say (look at the output of the dmesg command). I'm not so sure there is such a thing as "a specific spot on the drive". Flash memory controllers do something called "wear-leveling". Usually a write to a block (secretly, behind the OS's back) will free that bit of silicon and allocate a new one. The idea is that the flash memory circuits have a modest life so the controller spreads the activity around. | If I run "fsck.vfat" against the drive, it always finds an error and | fixes it ... and then I have exactly the same problem again. fsck, in general (excluding the badblock check) fixes the filesystem structure. No data blocks need be examined, only blocks representing the structural information (inodes, directories, indirect blocks, etc. depending on the particular filesystem). Similarly, mkfs need not initialize datablocks, the vast majority of blocks on a disk. fsck and mkfs are, in general terms, not responsible for bad block handling -- modern disk drives hide that stuff from the filesystem. In the old days (20 years ago?), disks were not smart enough to do this so filesystems had various ways of handling bad blocks. It would not surprise me if that code has suffered bitrot since I imagine that it is rarely exercised. | Now I | read Lennart's view on fsck in the thread about bad hard drives: | | On 5 May 2011 12:45, Lennart Sorensen wrote: | > fsck means nothing. ?Use mkfs with badblock check. ?Unless you low level | > formatted it, nothing is done about bad sectors. ?Of course modern drives | > don't need that since they can automatically map bad sectors _on_write_ | > (not on read). ?Writing to the whole disk should help the drive remap | > all bad sectors. Modern drives don't support low-level formatting as far as I know. All those physical things, including geometry, are secrets from the computer. The geometry that is exposed is a fiction for old time's sake (to keep dumb old software ignorant of its ignorance). | The man page says "dosfsck - check and repair MS-DOS file systems". | So it moves stuff around but doesn't tag bad sectors? That doesn't | seem like much of a fix. Does this solution also apply to flash | drives? (That is, I should reformat them with a badblock check?) | These drives don't seem to be remapping on write ... fsck fixes filesystems that have inconsistent metadata (i.e. NOT data). They work by exploiting redundancy and use heuristics. Your report does not tell us if your problem is in the metadata or the data. I suspect metadata because you say that the errors are on the same specific spot. In particular, I imagine that the metadata block gives a read error and that the things you are doing don't result in it being rewritten (because writing should fix it). This analysis strongly depends on your report that the errors are at the exact same spot on the drive. If you have two drives that get errors at the same spot, then something more interesting is happening. Like, for example, you might be trying to write a file larger than the filesystem will accept. From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun May 8 21:15:26 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 17:15:26 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? Message-ID: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> My "settime" script is... #!/bin/bash date /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/rdate time.nrc.ca -s /usr/bin/sudo /sbin/hwclock --systohc date time.nrc.ca seems to have stopped working for me. What servers do you use? -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org Sun May 8 22:21:46 2011 From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 18:21:46 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: <20110508211526.GA18507-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: I suggest using a NTP pool: http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/ca This is what I use on my desktop and servers. On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > My "settime" script is... > > #!/bin/bash > date > /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/rdate time.nrc.ca -s > /usr/bin/sudo /sbin/hwclock --systohc > date > > time.nrc.ca seems to have stopped working for me. What servers do you > use? > > -- > Walter Dnes > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Sadiq S http://asininetech.com https://launchpad.net/~staticsafe https://github.com/staticsafe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun May 8 22:29:15 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 18:29:15 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: <20110508211526.GA18507-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > ?My "settime" script is... > > #!/bin/bash > date > /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/rdate time.nrc.ca -s > /usr/bin/sudo /sbin/hwclock --systohc > date > > ?time.nrc.ca seems to have stopped working for me. ?What servers do you > use? Check out "pool.ntp.org"; this provides round-robin access to a decent set of NTP servers. For "mission critical" cases, you'd presumably want to arrange access to a combination of sources (e.g. - radio clock + some specific NTP servers), but pool.ntp.org should suffice for "ordinary use." -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun May 8 23:59:30 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 19:59:30 -0400 Subject: new cpu upgrade Message-ID: <4DC72E62.8040405@gmail.com> i decided to upgrade my cpu, i have an athlonx64 dual-core and replaced it with a phenom II quad-core. just wondering if this will affect my current linux system in anyway? should i reinstall my system after i install the new cpu, does it even matter? -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rajinderyadav -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon May 9 00:43:29 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 17:43:29 -0700 Subject: new cpu upgrade In-Reply-To: <4DC72E62.8040405-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DC72E62.8040405@gmail.com> Message-ID: The only thing that one really needs to worry about is if you were moving between X86/amd64/arm/ia64 architectures. You should have no problem at all with this upgrade. Even windows is *usually* ok with new-cpu-same-board upgrades. If your using the same motherboard, all is well. A new motherboard might have a different sound/LAN/network/sata controller, but so long as there's drivers in the mainline kernel you're good. If you have a new mobo, you may need to nuke /etc/udev/rules.d/persistent* to allow the new NIC to work as eth0, etc. On 2011-05-08 5:00 PM, "Rajinder Yadav" wrote: > i decided to upgrade my cpu, i have an athlonx64 dual-core and replaced > it with a phenom II quad-core. just wondering if this will affect my > current linux system in anyway? > > should i reinstall my system after i install the new cpu, does it even > matter? > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely > > http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rajinderyadav > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4DC74667.4020506@rogers.com> Sadiq Saif wrote: > I suggest using a NTP pool: http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/ca > This is what I use on my desktop and servers. I use time.nrc.ca to my firewall, but computers behind my firewall use the firewall ntp server. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon May 9 03:00:53 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 23:00:53 -0400 Subject: new cpu upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <4DC72E62.8040405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DC758E5.5070808@gmail.com> On 11-05-08 08:43 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > The only thing that one really needs to worry about is if you were > moving between X86/amd64/arm/ia64 architectures. You should have no > problem at all with this upgrade. Even windows is *usually* ok with > new-cpu-same-board upgrades. > > If your using the same motherboard, all is well. A new motherboard might > have a different sound/LAN/network/sata controller, but so long as > there's drivers in the mainline kernel you're good. > > If you have a new mobo, you may need to nuke > /etc/udev/rules.d/persistent* to allow the new NIC to work as eth0, etc. yes its just a cpu swap, just as i figured but thought i'd ask, thanks! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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We will have a combined FSOSS and LinuxFest weekend conference, tentatively scheduled for Oct 27-Oct 29, 2011 We would like the Linuxfest portion to have a decidedly community flavor, and its up to the community to shape the event. *An organizing meeting will be held at Seneca at the York campus on Thursday May 12 @6:00 pm* *Anyone interested please RSVP by sending me an email at ushnish.sengupta-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org* *I will be at the Tuesday to answer any questions.* Even if you cannot make it to this meeting, but are willing to help out, send me an email, as many hands make little work. Ushnish On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > Just got word that there will be a Linuxfest 2011 that will be headed > up by Ushnish Sengupta and the folks at FreeGeek Toronto. More details > to follow. > > Colin McGregor > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon May 9 12:02:31 2011 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 08:02:31 -0400 Subject: nvidia-common package problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8 May 2011 07:58, Russell reiter wrote: > On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Giles Orr wrote: >> I'm running Debian amd64 testing on a Core 2 system with an Nvidia >> GeForce 8400 GS video card. ?I'm using the nvidia proprietary driver >> (although switching to the nouveau driver is looking like a better and >> better idea ... does it do dual head?). ?Whenever I try to do a system >> upgrade ("aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade") it hangs on the >> nvidia-common package, as below: >> >> # aptitude install nvidia-common >> The following packages will be upgraded: >> ?nvidia-common >> 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 352 not upgraded. >> Need to get 13.3 kB of archives. After unpacking 12.3 kB will be used. >> Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] >> Get:1 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/contrib nvidia-common >> amd64 20110426+1 [13.3 kB] >> Fetched 13.3 kB in 0s (19.4 kB/s) >> Preconfiguring packages ... >> dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 12505 >> package 'nvidiabinaryblob': >> ?error in Version string 'pkg2-1': version number does not start with digit >> (Reading database ... 196539 files and directories currently installed.) >> Preparing to replace nvidia-common 20110213+1 (using >> .../nvidia-common_20110426+1_amd64.deb) ... >> Unpacking replacement nvidia-common ... >> Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... >> dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): >> ?subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 >> configured to not write apport reports >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Errors were encountered while processing: >> ?nvidia-common >> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) >> A package failed to install. ?Trying to recover: >> Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... >> dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): >> ?subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 >> Errors were encountered while processing: >> ?nvidia-common >> >> >> I tried again: >> >> >> # aptitude install nvidia-common >> The following partially installed packages will be configured: >> ?nvidia-common >> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. >> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 352 not upgraded. >> Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. >> Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... >> dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): >> ?subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 >> configured to not write apport reports >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Errors were encountered while processing: >> ?nvidia-common >> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) >> A package failed to install. ?Trying to recover: >> Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... >> dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): >> ?subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 >> Errors were encountered while processing: >> ?nvidia-common >> >> >> Since this is failing, any number of other packages are refusing to >> install as well because aptitude insists on attempting to install >> nvidia-common first. ?Also, several packages that require >> nvidia-specific drivers ("hugin" and "k3b" at least) are currently >> failing to work. ?I rely on both these programs, so suggestions would >> be greatly appreciated. ?Thanks. > > You could try using module-assistant. > > # apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common > # m-a update > # m-a prepare > # m-a auto-install nvidia I thought this sounded like a good idea, but also thought perhaps I should try it with the latest kernel. So I installed 2.6.38 (miracle of miracles, I actually succeeded in that). I rebooted to that kernel. Then I attempted to get the latest nvidia-kernel-common ... and it failed because it first attempted to configure nvidia-common. For the most part, video is working properly with the old 2.6.32 kernel. And rebuilding the nvidia module seems somewhat redundant given that. More importantly, I also don't think it'll fix the package problems that exist for another kernel. Anyone got any other ideas? If I get truly desperate I may uninstall all the nvidia stuff entirely, do my upgrades, and then try to get the nouveau driver working. If nouveau doesn't work, I'd attempt to go back to the nvidia driver on the new kernel - but I run the risk of getting stranded without dual head, which is a pretty unpleasant thought when you've used it for over a decade ... -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon May 9 14:27:21 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 10:27:21 -0400 Subject: nvidia-common package problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you want to have another go at it, have a look at the link below on using unstable source and backporting Nvidea. Here's a blurb from the page. On debian testing you are now advised to use this method: update-pciids apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source m-a prepare m-a clean nvidia m-a a-i nvidia apt-get install nvidia-glx depmod -a modprobe nvidia # This is only necessary if you start to use nvidia for the first time: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg . The above is from http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/nvidia.html HTH Russell On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Giles Orr wrote: > On 8 May 2011 07:58, Russell reiter wrote: >> On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Giles Orr wrote: >>> I'm running Debian amd64 testing on a Core 2 system with an Nvidia >>> GeForce 8400 GS video card. ?I'm using the nvidia proprietary driver >>> (although switching to the nouveau driver is looking like a better and >>> better idea ... does it do dual head?). ?Whenever I try to do a system >>> upgrade ("aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade") it hangs on the >>> nvidia-common package, as below: >>> >>> # aptitude install nvidia-common >>> The following packages will be upgraded: >>> ?nvidia-common >>> 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 352 not upgraded. >>> Need to get 13.3 kB of archives. After unpacking 12.3 kB will be used. >>> Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] >>> Get:1 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/contrib nvidia-common >>> amd64 20110426+1 [13.3 kB] >>> Fetched 13.3 kB in 0s (19.4 kB/s) >>> Preconfiguring packages ... >>> dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 12505 >>> package 'nvidiabinaryblob': >>> ?error in Version string 'pkg2-1': version number does not start with digit >>> (Reading database ... 196539 files and directories currently installed.) >>> Preparing to replace nvidia-common 20110213+1 (using >>> .../nvidia-common_20110426+1_amd64.deb) ... >>> Unpacking replacement nvidia-common ... >>> Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... >>> dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): >>> ?subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 >>> configured to not write apport reports >>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Errors were encountered while processing: >>> ?nvidia-common >>> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) >>> A package failed to install. ?Trying to recover: >>> Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... >>> dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): >>> ?subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 >>> Errors were encountered while processing: >>> ?nvidia-common >>> >>> >>> I tried again: >>> >>> >>> # aptitude install nvidia-common >>> The following partially installed packages will be configured: >>> ?nvidia-common >>> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. >>> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 352 not upgraded. >>> Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. >>> Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... >>> dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): >>> ?subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 >>> configured to not write apport reports >>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Errors were encountered while processing: >>> ?nvidia-common >>> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) >>> A package failed to install. ?Trying to recover: >>> Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... >>> dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): >>> ?subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 >>> Errors were encountered while processing: >>> ?nvidia-common >>> >>> >>> Since this is failing, any number of other packages are refusing to >>> install as well because aptitude insists on attempting to install >>> nvidia-common first. ?Also, several packages that require >>> nvidia-specific drivers ("hugin" and "k3b" at least) are currently >>> failing to work. ?I rely on both these programs, so suggestions would >>> be greatly appreciated. ?Thanks. >> >> You could try using module-assistant. >> >> # apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common >> # m-a update >> # m-a prepare >> # m-a auto-install nvidia > > I thought this sounded like a good idea, but also thought perhaps I > should try it with the latest kernel. ?So I installed 2.6.38 (miracle > of miracles, I actually succeeded in that). ?I rebooted to that > kernel. ?Then I attempted to get the latest nvidia-kernel-common ... > and it failed because it first attempted to configure nvidia-common. > > For the most part, video is working properly with the old 2.6.32 > kernel. ?And rebuilding the nvidia module seems somewhat redundant > given that. ?More importantly, I also don't think it'll fix the > package problems that exist for another kernel. ?Anyone got any other > ideas? > > If I get truly desperate I may uninstall all the nvidia stuff > entirely, do my upgrades, and then try to get the nouveau driver > working. ?If nouveau doesn't work, I'd attempt to go back to the > nvidia driver on the new kernel - but I run the risk of getting > stranded without dual head, which is a pretty unpleasant thought when > you've used it for over a decade ... > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon May 9 16:11:59 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 12:11:59 -0400 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> <20110505164506.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110509161159.GE21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, May 08, 2011 at 07:47:03AM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > I have a couple of USB flash drives that give me I/O errors whenever I > copy stuff to a specific spot on the drive. ie. when I get to the 6Gb > mark on one, whatever the file is I'm writing to the drive, it fails. > If I run "fsck.vfat" against the drive, it always finds an error and > fixes it ... and then I have exactly the same problem again. Now I > read Lennart's view on fsck in the thread about bad hard drives: > > On 5 May 2011 12:45, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > fsck means nothing. ?Use mkfs with badblock check. ?Unless you low level > > formatted it, nothing is done about bad sectors. ?Of course modern drives > > don't need that since they can automatically map bad sectors _on_write_ > > (not on read). ?Writing to the whole disk should help the drive remap > > all bad sectors. > > The man page says "dosfsck - check and repair MS-DOS file systems". > So it moves stuff around but doesn't tag bad sectors? That doesn't > seem like much of a fix. Does this solution also apply to flash > drives? (That is, I should reformat them with a badblock check?) > These drives don't seem to be remapping on write ... Some USB keys are cheap crap that don't do wear leveling properly and don't necesarily remap bad blocks on write either. In that case you have to tell the filesystem to skip the bad sectors. Nothing else to do (well get a non crap usb key might work.) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon May 9 16:14:03 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 12:14:03 -0400 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> <20110505164506.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110509161403.GF21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, May 08, 2011 at 05:59:14PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Giles Orr > | > | I have a couple of USB flash drives that give me I/O errors whenever I > | copy stuff to a specific spot on the drive. ie. when I get to the 6Gb > | mark on one, whatever the file is I'm writing to the drive, it fails. > > What is the error? What does the kernel log say (look at the output > of the dmesg command). > > I'm not so sure there is such a thing as "a specific spot on the > drive". Flash memory controllers do something called "wear-leveling". > Usually a write to a block (secretly, behind the OS's back) will free > that bit of silicon and allocate a new one. The idea is that the > flash memory circuits have a modest life so the controller spreads the > activity around. > > | If I run "fsck.vfat" against the drive, it always finds an error and > | fixes it ... and then I have exactly the same problem again. > > fsck, in general (excluding the badblock check) fixes the filesystem > structure. No data blocks need be examined, only blocks representing > the structural information (inodes, directories, indirect blocks, > etc. depending on the particular filesystem). Similarly, mkfs need > not initialize datablocks, the vast majority of blocks on a disk. > > fsck and mkfs are, in general terms, not responsible for bad block > handling -- modern disk drives hide that stuff from the filesystem. > In the old days (20 years ago?), disks were not smart enough to do > this so filesystems had various ways of handling bad blocks. It would > not surprise me if that code has suffered bitrot since I imagine that > it is rarely exercised. > > | Now I > | read Lennart's view on fsck in the thread about bad hard drives: > | > | On 5 May 2011 12:45, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > | > fsck means nothing. ?Use mkfs with badblock check. ?Unless you low level > | > formatted it, nothing is done about bad sectors. ?Of course modern drives > | > don't need that since they can automatically map bad sectors _on_write_ > | > (not on read). ?Writing to the whole disk should help the drive remap > | > all bad sectors. > > Modern drives don't support low-level formatting as far as I know. > All those physical things, including geometry, are secrets from the > computer. The geometry that is exposed is a fiction for old time's > sake (to keep dumb old software ignorant of its ignorance). > > | The man page says "dosfsck - check and repair MS-DOS file systems". > | So it moves stuff around but doesn't tag bad sectors? That doesn't > | seem like much of a fix. Does this solution also apply to flash > | drives? (That is, I should reformat them with a badblock check?) > | These drives don't seem to be remapping on write ... > > fsck fixes filesystems that have inconsistent metadata (i.e. NOT > data). They work by exploiting redundancy and use heuristics. > > Your report does not tell us if your problem is in the metadata or the > data. I suspect metadata because you say that the errors are on the > same specific spot. In particular, I imagine that the metadata block > gives a read error and that the things you are doing don't result in > it being rewritten (because writing should fix it). This analysis > strongly depends on your report that the errors are at the exact same > spot on the drive. If it fails in the same spot all the time, that sounds like a bad sector in the data area of the filesystem. Since fat allocates from the start (unlike sane filesystems) all the time, then it makes sense to see the error everytime the disk is filled a certain amount. > If you have two drives that get errors at the same spot, then > something more interesting is happening. Like, for example, you might > be trying to write a file larger than the filesystem will accept. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon May 9 16:16:11 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 12:16:11 -0400 Subject: nvidia-common package problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110509161611.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, May 08, 2011 at 07:33:09AM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > I'm running Debian amd64 testing on a Core 2 system with an Nvidia > GeForce 8400 GS video card. I'm using the nvidia proprietary driver > (although switching to the nouveau driver is looking like a better and > better idea ... does it do dual head?). Whenever I try to do a system > upgrade ("aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade") it hangs on the > nvidia-common package, as below: > > # aptitude install nvidia-common > The following packages will be upgraded: > nvidia-common > 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 352 not upgraded. > Need to get 13.3 kB of archives. After unpacking 12.3 kB will be used. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] > Get:1 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/contrib nvidia-common > amd64 20110426+1 [13.3 kB] > Fetched 13.3 kB in 0s (19.4 kB/s) > Preconfiguring packages ... > dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 12505 > package 'nvidiabinaryblob': > error in Version string 'pkg2-1': version number does not start with digit Somehow you have got a corruption in the dpkg available file. If you open it, and delete the package around line 12505 it should be happy again. Save a backup first. > (Reading database ... 196539 files and directories currently installed.) > Preparing to replace nvidia-common 20110213+1 (using > .../nvidia-common_20110426+1_amd64.deb) ... > Unpacking replacement nvidia-common ... > Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... > dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): > subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 > configured to not write apport reports > Errors were encountered while processing: > nvidia-common > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > A package failed to install. Trying to recover: > Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... > dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): > subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 > Errors were encountered while processing: > nvidia-common > > > I tried again: > > > # aptitude install nvidia-common > The following partially installed packages will be configured: > nvidia-common > No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. > 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 352 not upgraded. > Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. > Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... > dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): > subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 > configured to not write apport reports > Errors were encountered while processing: > nvidia-common > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > A package failed to install. Trying to recover: > Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... > dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): > subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 > Errors were encountered while processing: > nvidia-common > > > Since this is failing, any number of other packages are refusing to > install as well because aptitude insists on attempting to install > nvidia-common first. Also, several packages that require > nvidia-specific drivers ("hugin" and "k3b" at least) are currently > failing to work. I rely on both these programs, so suggestions would > be greatly appreciated. Thanks. The problem is the dpkg available file has a syntax error, so now dpkg won't do some things. -- Len SOrensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon May 9 16:19:19 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 12:19:19 -0400 Subject: nvidia-common package problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110509161919.GH21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 10:27:21AM -0400, Russell Reiter wrote: > If you want to have another go at it, have a look at the link below > on using unstable source and backporting Nvidea. Here's a blurb from > the page. > > On debian testing you are now advised to use this method: > > update-pciids > apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-dkms is much preferable to nvidia-kernel-source (and module-assistant) these days. Much simpler to use, less work, just does the right thing on kernel updates and such. > m-a prepare > m-a clean nvidia > m-a a-i nvidia > apt-get install nvidia-glx > depmod -a > modprobe nvidia In which case you skip all that. > # This is only necessary if you start to use nvidia for the first time: > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg Except that doesn't do anything useful anymore. > The above is from > http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/nvidia.html That hasn't been updated in over 2 years. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon May 9 16:20:12 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 12:20:12 -0400 Subject: new cpu upgrade In-Reply-To: <4DC72E62.8040405-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DC72E62.8040405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110509162012.GI21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, May 08, 2011 at 07:59:30PM -0400, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > i decided to upgrade my cpu, i have an athlonx64 dual-core and > replaced it with a phenom II quad-core. just wondering if this will > affect my current linux system in anyway? > > should i reinstall my system after i install the new cpu, does it > even matter? If you have a kernel that works on one, it should work on the other. If no other hardware is changing, it should just work. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon May 9 16:31:59 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 12:31:59 -0400 Subject: new cpu upgrade In-Reply-To: <4DC72E62.8040405-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DC72E62.8040405@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > i decided to upgrade my cpu, i have an athlonx64 dual-core and replaced it > with a phenom II quad-core. just wondering if this will affect my current > linux system in anyway? > > should i reinstall my system after i install the new cpu, does it even > matter? If the CPU is still compatible with the motherboard, it should all be good. Compatibility with the hardware tends to be the troublesome part. The place I might expect an issue would be at the BIOS level; the BIOS might conceivably get a little confused about capabilities, which might lead to CPU capabilities being suppressed. But I'd not expect you to get past the BIOS configuration without the BIOS noticing this, and giving opportunity to adjust anything that's adjustable at that level. (E.g. - stuff akin to activating/deactivating hyperthreading, which, being an Intel thing, wouldn't be directly relevant to you.) -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon May 9 18:06:11 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 14:06:11 -0400 Subject: Video Mode Issue - Ubuntu 11.04 and Sandy Bridge Message-ID: <4DC82D13.2060800@rogers.com> So I build a new machine for the new Ubuntu release. The hardware is an ASUS P8H67-M LE motherboard that uses Sandy Bridge for video. The CPU is an Intel i5 My monitor is a Visionquest that has worked very well with other video and Ubuntu versions. Now, I am getting video syncing problems. And when I do get everything going, it is like I have a virtual screen extending below the actual screen .... but without any scroll bars. hwinfo --framebuffer gives: > hal.1: read hal dataprocess 2069: arguments to dbus_move_error() were incorrect, assertion "(dest) == NULL || !dbus_error_is_set ((dest))" failed in file dbus-errors.c line 280. This is normally a bug in some application using the D-Bus library. libhal.c 3483 : Error unsubscribing to signals, error=The name org.freedesktop.Hal was not provided by any .service files 02: None 00.0: 11001 VESA Framebuffer [Created at bios.464] Unique ID: rdCR.ealWiwZz1JF Hardware Class: framebuffer Model: "Intel(R)Sandybridge Desktop Graphics Controller" Vendor: "Intel Corporation" Device: "Intel(R)Sandybridge Desktop Graphics Controller" SubVendor: "Intel(R)Sandybridge Desktop Graphics Chipset Accelerated VGA BIOS" SubDevice: Revision: "Hardware Version 0.0" Memory Size: 63 MB + 960 kB Memory Range: 0xc0000000-0xc3feffff (rw) Mode 0x033c: 1920x1440 (+1920), 8 bits Mode 0x034d: 1920x1440 (+3840), 16 bits Mode 0x035c: 1920x1440 (+7680), 24 bits Mode 0x033a: 1600x1200 (+1600), 8 bits Mode 0x034b: 1600x1200 (+3200), 16 bits Mode 0x035a: 1600x1200 (+6400), 24 bits Mode 0x0307: 1280x1024 (+1280), 8 bits Mode 0x031a: 1280x1024 (+2560), 16 bits Mode 0x031b: 1280x1024 (+5120), 24 bits Mode 0x0305: 1024x768 (+1024), 8 bits Mode 0x0317: 1024x768 (+2048), 16 bits Mode 0x0318: 1024x768 (+4096), 24 bits Mode 0x0312: 640x480 (+2560), 24 bits Mode 0x0314: 800x600 (+1600), 16 bits Mode 0x0315: 800x600 (+3200), 24 bits Mode 0x0301: 640x480 (+640), 8 bits Mode 0x0303: 800x600 (+832), 8 bits Mode 0x0311: 640x480 (+1280), 16 bits Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown So the error is a bit troubling. But this is a recent release and the drivers having some bugs is no surprise. xrandr Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1200, maximum 8192 x 8192 VGA1 connected 1920x1200+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 518mm x 324mm 1920x1200 60.0*+ 1680x1050 60.0 1280x1024 60.0 1440x900 59.9 1024x768 60.0 800x600 60.3 640x480 60.0 HDMI1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) DP1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) HDMI2 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) DP2 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) So I may not even have a match of high video resolutions between the monitor and the chip set. But with the error in hwinfo, I am not sure that the data reported can be trusted. I tried to find the specs on Sandy bridge video modes but there was so much noise in Google that I got no where. The monitor's on screen menu reports a resolution of 1680x1050 when connected to the Sandy Bridge machine. So anyone have any suggestions? Perhaps a cheap video card in the interim? Thanks Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon May 9 19:32:35 2011 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 15:32:35 -0400 Subject: postfix cyrus sasl auxprop on centos 5.6 Message-ID: I've tried setting the following in /etc/sasl2/smtpd.conf pwcheck_method: auxprop auxprop_plugin: sasldb mech_list: PLAIN LOGIN CRAM-MD5 DIGEST-MD5 but it insists on using saslauthd. Any pointers ? Dave Cramer VP Software Development Visible Assets Inc. www.visibleassets.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon May 9 19:43:36 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 15:43:36 -0400 Subject: Video Mode Issue - Ubuntu 11.04 and Sandy Bridge In-Reply-To: <4DC82D13.2060800-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DC82D13.2060800@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110509194336.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 02:06:11PM -0400, Stephen wrote: > So I build a new machine for the new Ubuntu release. > The hardware is an > ASUS P8H67-M LE motherboard that uses Sandy Bridge for video. > The CPU is an Intel i5 > My monitor is a Visionquest that has worked very well with other > video and Ubuntu versions. > > Now, I am getting video syncing problems. And when I do get > everything going, it is like I have a virtual screen extending below > the actual screen .... but without any scroll bars. The VESA bios for intel's new video cores seems buggy at the moment (I have spent plenty of time lately dealing with the buggy Phoenix VESA bios it uses). This makes the vesa driver not work properly. Of course since there is no native driver for linux yet (I saw a claim one should be out by september), you have a problem. > hwinfo --framebuffer gives: > > > hal.1: read hal dataprocess 2069: arguments to dbus_move_error() > were incorrect, assertion "(dest) == NULL || !dbus_error_is_set > ((dest))" failed in file dbus-errors.c line 280. > This is normally a bug in some application using the D-Bus library. > libhal.c 3483 : Error unsubscribing to signals, error=The name > org.freedesktop.Hal was not provided by any .service files > 02: None 00.0: 11001 VESA Framebuffer > [Created at bios.464] > Unique ID: rdCR.ealWiwZz1JF > Hardware Class: framebuffer > Model: "Intel(R)Sandybridge Desktop Graphics Controller" > Vendor: "Intel Corporation" > Device: "Intel(R)Sandybridge Desktop Graphics Controller" > SubVendor: "Intel(R)Sandybridge Desktop Graphics Chipset > Accelerated VGA BIOS" > SubDevice: > Revision: "Hardware Version 0.0" > Memory Size: 63 MB + 960 kB > Memory Range: 0xc0000000-0xc3feffff (rw) > Mode 0x033c: 1920x1440 (+1920), 8 bits > Mode 0x034d: 1920x1440 (+3840), 16 bits > Mode 0x035c: 1920x1440 (+7680), 24 bits > Mode 0x033a: 1600x1200 (+1600), 8 bits > Mode 0x034b: 1600x1200 (+3200), 16 bits > Mode 0x035a: 1600x1200 (+6400), 24 bits > Mode 0x0307: 1280x1024 (+1280), 8 bits > Mode 0x031a: 1280x1024 (+2560), 16 bits > Mode 0x031b: 1280x1024 (+5120), 24 bits > Mode 0x0305: 1024x768 (+1024), 8 bits > Mode 0x0317: 1024x768 (+2048), 16 bits > Mode 0x0318: 1024x768 (+4096), 24 bits > Mode 0x0312: 640x480 (+2560), 24 bits > Mode 0x0314: 800x600 (+1600), 16 bits > Mode 0x0315: 800x600 (+3200), 24 bits > Mode 0x0301: 640x480 (+640), 8 bits > Mode 0x0303: 800x600 (+832), 8 bits > Mode 0x0311: 640x480 (+1280), 16 bits > Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown > > So the error is a bit troubling. But this is a recent release and > the drivers having some bugs is no surprise. > > xrandr > > Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1200, maximum 8192 x 8192 > VGA1 connected 1920x1200+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y > axis) 518mm x 324mm > 1920x1200 60.0*+ > 1680x1050 60.0 > 1280x1024 60.0 > 1440x900 59.9 > 1024x768 60.0 > 800x600 60.3 > 640x480 60.0 > HDMI1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) > DP1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) > HDMI2 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) > DP2 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) > > So I may not even have a match of high video resolutions between the > monitor and the chip set. But with the error in hwinfo, I am not > sure that the data reported can be trusted. > > I tried to find the specs on Sandy bridge video modes but there was > so much noise in Google that I got no where. > > The monitor's on screen menu reports a resolution of 1680x1050 when > connected to the Sandy Bridge machine. > > So anyone have any suggestions? > > Perhaps a cheap video card in the interim? Yeah that would help a lot. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon May 9 20:49:52 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 16:49:52 -0400 Subject: nvidia-common package problem In-Reply-To: <20110509161919.GH21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110509161919.GH21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110509204952.GA6178@yam.witteman.ca> On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 12:19:19PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >nvidia-kernel-dkms is much preferable to nvidia-kernel-source (and >module-assistant) these days. Much simpler to use, less work, just does >the right thing on kernel updates and such. Any chance you can update your tinyplanet.ca page with the updated Debian way? 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon May 9 23:35:28 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 19:35:28 -0400 Subject: nvidia-common package problem In-Reply-To: <20110509204952.GA6178-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110509161919.GH21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110509204952.GA6178@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20110509233528.GK21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 04:49:52PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 12:19:19PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > >nvidia-kernel-dkms is much preferable to nvidia-kernel-source (and > >module-assistant) these days. Much simpler to use, less work, just does > >the right thing on kernel updates and such. > > Any chance you can update your tinyplanet.ca page with the updated > Debian way? I am having similar challenges since testing went to > 2.6.38, and your advice no longer holds. I suppose I should. :) OK, done. I think I got the instructions right now. One less step in the instructions now. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon May 9 23:37:08 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 19:37:08 -0400 Subject: nvidia-common package problem In-Reply-To: <20110509204952.GA6178-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110509161919.GH21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110509204952.GA6178@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20110509233708.GL21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 04:49:52PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 12:19:19PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > >nvidia-kernel-dkms is much preferable to nvidia-kernel-source (and > >module-assistant) these days. Much simpler to use, less work, just does > >the right thing on kernel updates and such. > > Any chance you can update your tinyplanet.ca page with the updated > Debian way? I am having similar challenges since testing went to > 2.6.38, and your advice no longer holds. Of course 2.6.38 _might_ require the driver from unstable, rather than testing. Testing has 260.x, while unstable has 270.x at the moment. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue May 10 13:57:27 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 09:57:27 -0400 Subject: Video Mode Issue - Ubuntu 11.04 and Sandy Bridge In-Reply-To: <20110509194336.GJ21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4DC82D13.2060800@rogers.com> <20110509194336.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DC94447.2000306@rogers.com> On 11-05-09 03:43 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > The VESA bios for intel's new video cores seems buggy at the moment > (I have spent plenty of time lately dealing with the buggy Phoenix VESA > bios it uses). > > This makes the vesa driver not work properly. Of course since there is > no native driver for linux yet (I saw a claim one should be out by > september), you have a problem. > >> >> Perhaps a cheap video card in the interim? > Yeah that would help a lot. > Off to Canada Computers for a video card Now, can I just install the card, adjust the BIOS and boot, or do I need to adjust Ubuntu's settings first? Thanks Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue May 10 14:00:23 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 10:00:23 -0400 Subject: Video Mode Issue - Ubuntu 11.04 and Sandy Bridge In-Reply-To: <4DC94447.2000306-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DC82D13.2060800@rogers.com> <20110509194336.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DC94447.2000306@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110510140023.GM21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 09:57:27AM -0400, Stephen wrote: > Off to Canada Computers for a video card > > Now, can I just install the card, adjust the BIOS and boot, or do I > need to adjust Ubuntu's settings first? I don't think you even need to adjust the BIOS. Normally adding a video card automatically disables onboard video. Ubuntu will probably automatically figure it out. I would recommend avoiding ATI cards just to avoid trading one kind of problem for another kind. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue May 10 14:49:52 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 10:49:52 -0400 Subject: Kyozou.com Message-ID: Small note, I've landed a position with kyozou.com a firm that provides support services for firms who want to sell on eBay and via Amazon Marketplace. As part of a training exercise I've posted a Linux related item up on eBay that most Linux fans will hate: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270747571949&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:CA:1123 Yes, obviously, I am looking to make a few $$ off the above item... I'll look forward to seeing folks tonight... Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Tue May 10 15:59:54 2011 From: ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Ijaaz A. Ullah) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 11:59:54 -0400 Subject: Virgin Gaming is looking for a sysadmin Message-ID: http://virgingaming.com/careers.html As a Linux Administrator you will be responsible for day-to-day management of the Virgin Gaming environments (production, staging, QA, development and corporate IT.) This includes Linux Servers (CentOS), Load Balancers, NAS, switches, routers and firewall gear. The software stack includes Apache, Tomcat, PostgreSQL and Terracotta. You?ll work on clustering and HA solutions, performance tuning, 24x7x365 (or x366 during a leap year) systems in a b2c space. This position will participate in the on-call rotation for after hour incident resolution. Requirements include but are not limited to: Must have 5+ years of progressive experience in system administration in a distributed Unix/Linux environment Must have enterprise hands-on experience building, configuring and maintaining a high-availability enterprise Linux environment Experience with databases, namely PostgreSQL Experience with Apache, Tomcat, SSL and load balancing Experience managing network devices such as switches, routers, firewalls, VPNs, load balancers, etc. Experience with network and system performance tuning Experience with scripting / programming (i.e. bash / Perl / Python) Familiar with networking architectures, protocols, and network troubleshooting tools, TCP dump, wireshark,etc Familiar with VMware/Xen virtualization Familiar with SVN, Nagios, Cacti, shell scripting, LDAP. We are open source friendly. Is comfortable running cables, racking/building servers, and troubleshooting hardware issues. A College diploma or University degree, or equivalent training and experience RHCE would be an asset Positive attitude and ability to remain calm and professional during high periods of stress Extremely detail oriented with a proven ability to effectively manage and prioritize work flow Excellent interpersonal, written, and oral communication skills High standards of ethics and confidentiality to handle sensitive information Ability to exercise good judgement, show initiative and be proactive -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Tue May 10 16:12:03 2011 From: ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Ori Idan) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 19:12:03 +0300 Subject: Kyozou.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: SCO vs. Linux is yesterday news... -- Ori Idan On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > > Small note, I've landed a position with kyozou.com a firm that > provides support services for firms who want to sell on eBay and via > Amazon Marketplace. As part of a training exercise I've posted a Linux > related item up on eBay that most Linux fans will hate: > > http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270747571949&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:CA:1123 > > Yes, obviously, I am looking to make a few $$ off the above item... > I'll look forward to seeing folks tonight... > > Colin. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue May 10 16:45:50 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 12:45:50 -0400 Subject: Kyozou.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Ori Idan wrote: > SCO vs. Linux is yesterday news... In a way yes, SCO took on Linux and was turned into roadkill. Still, they are a useful example for those who think they can toss a few legal threats around and then Linux will play dead... Colin. > -- > Ori Idan > > > On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: >> >> Small note, I've landed a position with kyozou.com a firm that >> provides support services for firms who want to sell on eBay and via >> Amazon Marketplace. As part of a training exercise I've posted a Linux >> related item up on eBay that most Linux fans will hate: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270747571949&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:CA:1123 >> >> Yes, obviously, I am looking to make a few $$ off the above item... >> I'll look forward to seeing folks tonight... >> >> Colin. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue May 10 17:02:47 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 10:02:47 -0700 Subject: Virgin Gaming is looking for a sysadmin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Anyone know much about them as a company? I've heard the name and a few of their concepts, but does anything make them stand out? On 2011-05-10 9:00 AM, "Ijaaz A. Ullah" wrote: > http://virgingaming.com/careers.html > > As a Linux Administrator you will be responsible for day-to-day > management of the Virgin Gaming environments (production, staging, QA, > development and corporate IT.) This includes Linux Servers (CentOS), > Load Balancers, NAS, switches, routers and firewall gear. The > software stack includes Apache, Tomcat, PostgreSQL and Terracotta. > You?ll work on clustering and HA solutions, performance tuning, > 24x7x365 (or x366 during a leap year) systems in a b2c space. This > position will participate in the on-call rotation for after hour > incident resolution. > > Requirements include but are not limited to: > > Must have 5+ years of progressive experience in system administration > in a distributed Unix/Linux environment > Must have enterprise hands-on experience building, configuring and > maintaining a high-availability enterprise Linux environment > Experience with databases, namely PostgreSQL > Experience with Apache, Tomcat, SSL and load balancing > Experience managing network devices such as switches, routers, > firewalls, VPNs, load balancers, etc. > Experience with network and system performance tuning > Experience with scripting / programming (i.e. bash / Perl / Python) > Familiar with networking architectures, protocols, and network > troubleshooting tools, TCP dump, wireshark,etc > Familiar with VMware/Xen virtualization > Familiar with SVN, Nagios, Cacti, shell scripting, LDAP. We are open > source friendly. > Is comfortable running cables, racking/building servers, and > troubleshooting hardware issues. > > A College diploma or University degree, or equivalent training and experience > RHCE would be an asset > Positive attitude and ability to remain calm and professional during > high periods of stress > Extremely detail oriented with a proven ability to effectively manage > and prioritize work flow > Excellent interpersonal, written, and oral communication skills > High standards of ethics and confidentiality to handle sensitive information > Ability to exercise good judgement, show initiative and be proactive > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue May 10 17:52:32 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 13:52:32 -0400 Subject: Kyozou.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ori Idan wrote: > On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: >> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Ori Idan wrote: >>> SCO vs. Linux is yesterday news... >> >> In a way yes, SCO took on Linux and was turned into roadkill. Still, >> they are a useful example for those who think they can toss a few >> legal threats around and then Linux will play dead... >> >> Colin. >> > You are right, however I don't see who will be interested in such an > item especially after we all know the outcome of this. >From my point of view, I used the T-shirt as a training tool to help teach myself how kyozou.com back-end services work. I wanted an item that was unusual/distinctive. If it sells, that is fantastic. If it doesn't sell, well, that is okay as well, as it will have helped me learn. Either way it is good. Colin. > -- > Ori Idan > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue May 10 17:57:32 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 13:57:32 -0400 Subject: Kyozou.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ori Idan wrote: > On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: >> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Ori Idan wrote: >>> SCO vs. Linux is yesterday news... >> >> In a way yes, SCO took on Linux and was turned into roadkill. Still, >> they are a useful example for those who think they can toss a few >> legal threats around and then Linux will play dead... >> >> Colin. >> > You are right, however I don't see who will be interested in such an > item especially after we all know the outcome of this. Irony could be worth more than you think. I recall, once upon a time, someone auctioning off a Lada for angry people to destroy. (This was at the time the Americans were sponsoring the guy they killed off last week to cause trouble for the Russians in Afghanistan, so there's more around to go full circle than we expect! :-)) If someone wanted an "object lesson", $50 for a tshirt isn't horribly overpriced. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue May 10 20:08:16 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:08:16 -0400 Subject: Kyozou.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DC99B30.3090408@gmail.com> On 11-05-10 10:49 , Colin McGregor wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270747571949&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:CA:1123 Would go great with my Enron hat ... Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue May 10 20:13:46 2011 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:13:46 -0400 Subject: Kyozou.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Would be useful as a rag the next time I change the oil in my car. On May 10, 2011 10:49:52 Colin McGregor wrote: > Small note, I've landed a position with kyozou.com a firm that > provides support services for firms who want to sell on eBay and via > Amazon Marketplace. As part of a training exercise I've posted a Linux > related item up on eBay that most Linux fans will hate: > > http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270747571949&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:CA:1123 > > Yes, obviously, I am looking to make a few $$ off the above item... > I'll look forward to seeing folks tonight... > > Colin. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue May 10 20:52:34 2011 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:52:34 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: <20110508211526.GA18507-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4DC9A592.50700@ve3syb.ca> Walter Dnes wrote: > time.nrc.ca seems to have stopped working for me. What servers do you use? I have used the time servers in Boulder Colorado as they give me a time closest to what I get via shortwave from WWV/WWVH. server time_a.timefreq.bldrdoc.nist.gov server time_b.timefreq.bldrdoc.nist.gov server time_c.timefreq.bldrdoc.nist.gov -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue May 10 22:38:21 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 18:38:21 -0400 Subject: new cpu upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <4DC72E62.8040405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DC9BE5D.9000102@gmail.com> On 11-05-09 12:31 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> i decided to upgrade my cpu, i have an athlonx64 dual-core and replaced it >> with a phenom II quad-core. just wondering if this will affect my current >> linux system in anyway? >> >> should i reinstall my system after i install the new cpu, does it even >> matter? > > If the CPU is still compatible with the motherboard, it should all be > good. Compatibility with the hardware tends to be the troublesome > part. > > The place I might expect an issue would be at the BIOS level; the BIOS > might conceivably get a little confused about capabilities, which > might lead to CPU capabilities being suppressed. But I'd not expect > you to get past the BIOS configuration without the BIOS noticing this, > and giving opportunity to adjust anything that's adjustable at that > level. (E.g. - stuff akin to activating/deactivating hyperthreading, > which, being an Intel thing, wouldn't be directly relevant to you.) Well I am hoping I can get past the BIOS =), also just realized I hope my mobo supports the extra wattage required to run this CPU, power supply should have enough juice, otherwise I have to drop money for a new mobo plus ram which I was trying to avoid! -oh dang! why did I see the warning just now, stupid tigerdirect could not place that warning on the top not bottom of the page?!? -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rajinderyadav -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From timhildred-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 00:58:17 2011 From: timhildred-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Timothy Hildred) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 10:58:17 +1000 Subject: Virgin Gaming is looking for a sysadmin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Positive attitude and ability to remain calm and professional during high periods of stress" Makes it sound as though the stressful periods will either be at altitude or post-spliff. Or both, could be fun? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 03:29:21 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 23:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: new cpu upgrade In-Reply-To: <4DC9BE5D.9000102-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DC72E62.8040405@gmail.com> <4DC9BE5D.9000102@gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Rajinder Yadav | | On 11-05-09 12:31 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: | > On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: | > > i decided to upgrade my cpu, i have an athlonx64 dual-core and replaced it | > > with a phenom II quad-core. just wondering if this will affect my current | > > linux system in anyway? | > If the CPU is still compatible with the motherboard, it should all be | > good. Compatibility with the hardware tends to be the troublesome | > part. | > | > The place I might expect an issue would be at the BIOS level; the BIOS | > might conceivably get a little confused about capabilities, which | > might lead to CPU capabilities being suppressed. | | Well I am hoping I can get past the BIOS =), also just realized I hope my mobo | supports the extra wattage required to run this CPU, power supply should have | enough juice, otherwise I have to drop money for a new mobo plus ram which I | was trying to avoid! -oh dang! why did I see the warning just now, stupid | tigerdirect could not place that warning on the top not bottom of the page?!? Suggestion: Check manufacturer's site to see if the new microprocessor model is supported. - it may be unsupported - it may be supported, but only with a BIOS update In this case, be sure to update the BIOS before swapping out the current processor. This appears to be a common case. - it may be supported, plain and simple - the site may be silent on the issue What do you mean by extra wattage? Only the most extreme processors upped the wattage, is yours one of these? I think that anything up to about 100W is fairly normal but some chips go to 120W or so (from my memory which is not reliable). More often new voltage requirements appear. Those can be hard to support on old motherboards. I suspect that this problem was more common in earlier generations. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 02:39:39 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 22:39:39 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: <20110508211526.GA18507-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> On Sun, May 08, 2011 at 05:15:26PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote > time.nrc.ca seems to have stopped working for me. Make that rdate seems to have stopped working for me. I tried various servers, and got a timeout error each time. I just did an upgrade to Gentoo baselayout 2, and I'm wondering if that's involved. I'll take this problem to the Gentoo users list. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 04:43:04 2011 From: ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Ori Idan) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 07:43:04 +0300 Subject: Kyozou.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Gary Layng wrote: > Would be useful as a rag the next time I change the oil in my car. Would you pay 50$ for a rag to replace the oil in your car? You probably have a very expensive car... -- Ori Idan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 04:59:09 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 00:59:09 -0400 Subject: Kyozou.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Gary Layng wrote: > Would be useful as a rag the next time I change the oil in my car. No, it deserves greater and more visible disrespect than that. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 11:30:27 2011 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 07:30:27 -0400 Subject: Kyozou.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 11, 2011 00:43:04 Ori Idan wrote: > On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Gary Layng wrote: > > Would be useful as a rag the next time I change the oil in my car. > > Would you pay 50$ for a rag to replace the oil in your car? > You probably have a very expensive car... > It's a 1998 Mercury Mistake. Gas being the price it is, yes it's expensive. ^_^ But no, I'd not pay $50 for an oil rag. The t-shirt is only useful as an oil rag, though - or as a display in a museum of computer humour. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 12:12:42 2011 From: instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (aaron d) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 08:12:42 -0400 Subject: new cpu upgrade In-Reply-To: <4DC9BE5D.9000102-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DC72E62.8040405@gmail.com> <4DC9BE5D.9000102@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hate to tell you, but depending on how old your old Athlon 64 X2 is, you are _probably_ SOL. Phenom II requires AM2+ or AM3 mobo. However, the bulk of Athlons 64 were on AM2 and 939. Even if you have an AM2+ board, you had better keep the old CPU around long enough to update, if you havent updated recently. aaron > Well I am hoping I can get past the BIOS =), also just realized I hope my > mobo supports the extra wattage required to run this CPU, power supply > should have enough juice, otherwise I have to drop money for a new mobo plus > ram which I was trying to avoid! -oh dang! why did I see the warning just > now, stupid tigerdirect could not place that warning on the top not bottom > of the page?!? > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely > > http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rajinderyadav > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 12:34:37 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 08:34:37 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: <20110511023939.GA2165-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sun, May 08, 2011 at 05:15:26PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote > > >> time.nrc.ca seems to have stopped working for me. >> > Make that rdate seems to have stopped working for me. I tried various > servers, and got a timeout error each time. I just did an upgrade to > Gentoo baselayout 2, and I'm wondering if that's involved. I'll take > this problem to the Gentoo users list. > > Why are you still using rdate? Here's what Wikipedia says about it: "On Unix-like operating systems, *rdate* is a tool for querying the current time from a network server and, optionally, setting the system time . Rdate uses the Time Protocol . The Time Protocol is generally considered obsolete and has been replaced by the Network Time Protocol (NTP)." Perhaps time.nrc.ca has dropped support for rdate. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 12:39:59 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 08:39:59 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: <4DCA825D.4040208-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DCA839F.2050407@rogers.com> Here's the Wikipedia quote, without all the HTML code: "On Unix-like operating systems, rdate is a tool for querying the current time from a network server and, optionally, setting the system time. Rdate uses the Time Protocol. The Time Protocol is generally considered obsolete and has been replaced by the Network Time Protocol (NTP)." James Knott wrote: > Walter Dnes wrote: >> On Sun, May 08, 2011 at 05:15:26PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote >> >>> time.nrc.ca seems to have stopped working for me. >> Make that rdate seems to have stopped working for me. I tried >> various >> servers, and got a timeout error each time. I just did an upgrade to >> Gentoo baselayout 2, and I'm wondering if that's involved. I'll take >> this problem to the Gentoo users list. >> > Why are you still using rdate? Here's what Wikipedia says about it: > > "On Unix-like > operating > systems, *rdate* is a tool for querying the current time from a > network server and, optionally, setting the system time > . Rdate > uses the Time Protocol > . The > Time Protocol is generally considered obsolete and has been replaced > by the Network Time Protocol > > (NTP)." > > Perhaps time.nrc.ca has dropped support for rdate. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 14:37:19 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 10:37:19 -0400 Subject: [OT] MB BIOS Screwed Up Message-ID: <4DCA9F1F.5010608@rogers.com> This is for a Linux machine so not totally OT. I built a new machine for the 11.04 Ubuntu. I used an ASUS MB that had the new Sandy Bridge chip set. Unfortunately, the Ubuntu drivers are still buggy. Si I added a video card with an NVidia chip. BIOS still sent video through MB VGA port. In BIOS I found that I could set primary video, and I chose the setting PCI/iGPU But now I get no video from either VGA port. The manual instructs to switch the CLRTC jumper for 10 seconds to clear the CMOS. I did this but it had no effect. I followed step two that included removing the MB battery and then moving the jumper again. So I am totally stuck. I sent a tech support request to ASUS. Any further ideas/suggestions most appreciated. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 14:46:06 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 07:46:06 -0700 Subject: [OT] MB BIOS Screwed Up In-Reply-To: <4DCA9F1F.5010608-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCA9F1F.5010608@rogers.com> Message-ID: Did you pull the graphics card when trying to use built-in video? Maybe the expansion card is just broken, doesn't support your monitor, or doesn't like the port? On 2011-05-11 7:38 AM, "Stephen" wrote: > This is for a Linux machine so not totally OT. > > I built a new machine for the 11.04 Ubuntu. I used an ASUS MB that had > the new Sandy Bridge chip set. > > Unfortunately, the Ubuntu drivers are still buggy. > > Si I added a video card with an NVidia chip. > > BIOS still sent video through MB VGA port. > > In BIOS I found that I could set primary video, and I chose the setting > PCI/iGPU > > But now I get no video from either VGA port. > > The manual instructs to switch the CLRTC jumper for 10 seconds to clear > the CMOS. I did this but it had no effect. > > I followed step two that included removing the MB battery and then > moving the jumper again. > > So I am totally stuck. > > I sent a tech support request to ASUS. > > Any further ideas/suggestions most appreciated. > > Stephen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 14:49:37 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 10:49:37 -0400 Subject: [OT] MB BIOS Screwed Up In-Reply-To: References: <4DCA9F1F.5010608@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DCAA201.8050805@rogers.com> Yes, I removed the video card before trying the BIOS reset. But it is an ASUS video card, and ASUS MB. Even an ASUS monitor! After the reset, I tried putting the card back in, just to see if that port would work. But nothing. On 11-05-11 10:46 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > > Did you pull the graphics card when trying to use built-in video? > Maybe the expansion card is just broken, doesn't support your monitor, > or doesn't like the port? > > On 2011-05-11 7:38 AM, "Stephen" > wrote: > > This is for a Linux machine so not totally OT. > > > > I built a new machine for the 11.04 Ubuntu. I used an ASUS MB that had > > the new Sandy Bridge chip set. > > > > Unfortunately, the Ubuntu drivers are still buggy. > > > > Si I added a video card with an NVidia chip. > > > > BIOS still sent video through MB VGA port. > > > > In BIOS I found that I could set primary video, and I chose the setting > > PCI/iGPU > > > > But now I get no video from either VGA port. > > > > The manual instructs to switch the CLRTC jumper for 10 seconds to clear > > the CMOS. I did this but it had no effect. > > > > I followed step two that included removing the MB battery and then > > moving the jumper again. > > > > So I am totally stuck. > > > > I sent a tech support request to ASUS. > > > > Any further ideas/suggestions most appreciated. > > > > Stephen > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 15:24:59 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 11:24:59 -0400 Subject: [OT] MB BIOS Screwed Up In-Reply-To: <4DCA9F1F.5010608-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCA9F1F.5010608@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110511152459.GN21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:37:19AM -0400, Stephen wrote: > This is for a Linux machine so not totally OT. > > I built a new machine for the 11.04 Ubuntu. I used an ASUS MB that > had the new Sandy Bridge chip set. > > Unfortunately, the Ubuntu drivers are still buggy. > > Si I added a video card with an NVidia chip. > > BIOS still sent video through MB VGA port. > > In BIOS I found that I could set primary video, and I chose the > setting PCI/iGPU > > But now I get no video from either VGA port. > > The manual instructs to switch the CLRTC jumper for 10 seconds to > clear the CMOS. I did this but it had no effect. > > I followed step two that included removing the MB battery and then > moving the jumper again. > > So I am totally stuck. > > I sent a tech support request to ASUS. > > Any further ideas/suggestions most appreciated. If you remove the video card it should use the internal video again no matter what. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 15:26:09 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 11:26:09 -0400 Subject: [OT] MB BIOS Screwed Up In-Reply-To: <4DCAA201.8050805-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCA9F1F.5010608@rogers.com> <4DCAA201.8050805@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110511152609.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:49:37AM -0400, Stephen wrote: > Yes, I removed the video card before trying the BIOS reset. > > But it is an ASUS video card, and ASUS MB. Even an ASUS monitor! > > After the reset, I tried putting the card back in, just to see if > that port would work. But nothing. I did once have a machine not show video and in fact not do much of anything when turned on. One stick of ram had gone bad. Removing the bad ram made the machine work again. I swapped video card and checked cpu fans and all sorts of things before figuring it out. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 16:04:29 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 09:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT] MB BIOS Screwed Up In-Reply-To: <4DCA9F1F.5010608-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCA9F1F.5010608@rogers.com> Message-ID: <703274.24198.qm@web113416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Which motherboard? (so, we can all avoid it). -- William ----- Original Message ---- > From: Stephen > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 10:37:19 AM > Subject: [TLUG]: [OT] MB BIOS Screwed Up > > This is for a Linux machine so not totally OT. > > I built a new machine for the 11.04 Ubuntu. I used an ASUS MB that had the new >Sandy Bridge chip set. > > Unfortunately, the Ubuntu drivers are still buggy. > > Si I added a video card with an NVidia chip. > > BIOS still sent video through MB VGA port. > > In BIOS I found that I could set primary video, and I chose the setting >PCI/iGPU > > But now I get no video from either VGA port. > > The manual instructs to switch the CLRTC jumper for 10 seconds to clear the >CMOS. I did this but it had no effect. > > I followed step two that included removing the MB battery and then moving the >jumper again. > > So I am totally stuck. > > I sent a tech support request to ASUS. > > Any further ideas/suggestions most appreciated. > > Stephen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 16:10:31 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 12:10:31 -0400 Subject: [OT] MB BIOS Screwed Up In-Reply-To: <703274.24198.qm-iGg6QNsgFOEHBU+L9ui1Svu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCA9F1F.5010608@rogers.com> <703274.24198.qm@web113416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DCAB4F7.9060401@rogers.com> On 11-05-11 12:04 PM, William Park wrote: > Which motherboard? (so, we can all avoid it). ASUS P8H67-M LE I would recommend avoiding all MB with Intel's Sandy Bridge chipset until the Linux drivers have matured. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 17:52:48 2011 From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 13:52:48 -0400 Subject: Cool, but obscure Unix tools Message-ID: Found this via Twitter (thanks @linuxnja) - http://kkovacs.eu/cool-but-obscure-unix-tools I realize some of these are not so obscure (at least to me) like, htop, rsync and rtorrent. -- Sadiq S http://asininetech.com https://launchpad.net/~staticsafe https://github.com/staticsafe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 21:20:09 2011 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:20:09 -0400 Subject: Wither TeX? (was Re:Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors) Message-ID: Sorry for the late entry. At one point I really loved TeX. Well, LaTeX to be certain -- I wrote my own macros and found it a very nice way to create pretty print versions of database reports, etc. The DVI creation process was certainly familiar to those who were used to compiling code. I was a card--carrying member of TUG. But I always REALLY detested Computer Modern as a font from a graphic design PoV and I could never wrap my head around Metafont. Having said that, for better or worse, we're in a world in which HTML5 will soon predominate, and with the exception of math formatting IMO TeX has outlived its usefulness. (And whether I'd call TeX books "beautiful" is an eye-of-the-beholder thing IMO.) TeX had such a steep learning curve that it was hard to learn other publishing tools in parallel, leading to "if all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail" syndrome. And, of course, it didn't help that only a handful of publishing houses would accept TeX formatted manuscripts. As I make a personal transition into ePub for book work and away from the printed word, I start to think of TeX as I do Fortran ... functional in their day and absolutely necessary in the evolution of the craft, but there are now better and easier ways to get there from here. TeX/Metafont preceded Unicode and OpenType and Dublin Core and MathML and ePub and CSS, all standards which have received widespread support from both toolmakers and content producers and arguably serve their needs better. By contrast, the DVI paradigm has had little room to evolve. It's ill-suited to environments designed to give users real-time control (ie, real-time font resizing). The concept of user control (even to the point of choosing a different font should they choose) is a horror to TeX document producers (as well as to most InDesign, Scribus and even MS-Word users). But it's a coming phenomenon that publishers ignore at their risk. In the kind of text-heavy environment which describes most TeX-produced books I've seen, the publisher's need for exact control over style is even less compelling than in graphic-intensive settings (unless you're doing poetry, which doesn't seem like one of TeX's strengths anyway). The value of the very same document file being usable on a PC, tablet or 4" mobile screen while maintaining readability is something Knuth didn't consider, but it's critical now for a growing number of documents. These days reflowable text is far more in demand than the world's most meticulous hyphenation algorithm. Yes, TeX is a great typesetting system. But the world doesn't need typesetting the way it used to, and at its heart TeX is hostile to the Internet generally and user-controlled formatting specifically. If TeX was a niche in the best of times -- barely known outside of the realms of math and physics academia -- what does that make its status now? Probably on the same plane as direct-to-disc audio recording -- the best technology in a rapidly declining field. - Evan On 27 April 2011 22:21, Peter King wrote: > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 09:19:46PM -0400, William Park wrote: > > > By the way, what tools do professionals use nowdays? TeX is the only > > tool I know, but I doubt if people use that. > > TeX, and in fact, plain TeX. I produce critical editions of texts with it. > So do many scholars. I have seen editions in English, Latin, Greek, Arabic, > and Hebrew, all set with TeX. > > Math journals are well-nigh universally set in some version of TeX (usually > with AMSTeX). Cambridge University Press typesets its "Companion" series > of volumes using LaTeX. And so on. > > If you want high-quality typesetting and beautiful books, TeX is still a > major player. The things it does well (most things), it does extremely > well, > a testament to Donald Knuth. It does show its age in spots, and there are > several competitors for "successor" status: XeTeX, for instance. But plain > TeX can still be set up to do just about anything, since it is not so much > a typesetting program as it is a typesetting programming language. People > can do simply *amazing* things with it. > > -- > Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > Department of Philosophy > 170 St. George Street #521 > The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc > Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 > CANADA > > http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ > > ========================================================================= > GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 > -- Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada Em: evan at telly dot org Sk: evanleibovitch Tw: el56 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 21:46:00 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:46:00 -0400 Subject: [OT] MB BIOS Screwed Up In-Reply-To: <20110511152609.GO21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCA9F1F.5010608@rogers.com> <4DCAA201.8050805@rogers.com> <20110511152609.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DCB0398.9020000@rogers.com> On 11-05-11 11:26 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:49:37AM -0400, Stephen wrote: >> Yes, I removed the video card before trying the BIOS reset. >> >> But it is an ASUS video card, and ASUS MB. Even an ASUS monitor! >> >> After the reset, I tried putting the card back in, just to see if >> that port would work. But nothing. > I did once have a machine not show video and in fact not do much of > anything when turned on. One stick of ram had gone bad. Removing the > bad ram made the machine work again. I swapped video card and checked > cpu fans and all sorts of things before figuring it out. > Thanks Len I reset the memory and I have a working machine again. But the extra video card is still not providing video. I purchased a new monitor. The old one was having syncing problems. The new monitor syncs beautifully at 1920x1080. That is a bit of a surprise since the chip set did not say that mode was supported. There are still video corruption problems with the Sandy Bridge chips, so I want to get the extra video card working, but there is no longer an urgency. Cheers Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 21:48:17 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:48:17 -0400 Subject: [OT] MB BIOS Screwed Up In-Reply-To: <703274.24198.qm-iGg6QNsgFOEHBU+L9ui1Svu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCA9F1F.5010608@rogers.com> <703274.24198.qm@web113416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DCB0421.1030002@rogers.com> On 11-05-11 12:04 PM, William Park wrote: > Which motherboard? (so, we can all avoid it). In fairness I want to say that I got the boot problem fixed by removed and seating the memory again. But there is still video corruption with the Sandy Bridge chips and Ubuntu drivers. I have not succeeded in getting the extra video card working. So I have a work in process. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 23:01:20 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 19:01:20 -0400 Subject: [OT] MB BIOS Screwed Up In-Reply-To: <4DCB0398.9020000-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCA9F1F.5010608@rogers.com> <4DCAA201.8050805@rogers.com> <20110511152609.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DCB0398.9020000@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110511230120.GP21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 05:46:00PM -0400, Stephen wrote: > I reset the memory and I have a working machine again. > > But the extra video card is still not providing video. What kind of card did you get? > I purchased a new monitor. The old one was having syncing problems. > The new monitor syncs beautifully at 1920x1080. That is a bit of a > surprise since the chip set did not say that mode was supported. Any video card that doesn't do 1920x1080 these days would be in trouble. > There are still video corruption problems with the Sandy Bridge > chips, so I want to get the extra video card working, but there is > no longer an urgency. Yeah in vesa mode there are problems. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 11 23:35:05 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 19:35:05 -0400 Subject: [OT] MB BIOS Screwed Up In-Reply-To: <20110511230120.GP21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCA9F1F.5010608@rogers.com> <4DCAA201.8050805@rogers.com> <20110511152609.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DCB0398.9020000@rogers.com> <20110511230120.GP21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DCB1D29.7070906@rogers.com> On 11-05-11 07:01 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 05:46:00PM -0400, Stephen wrote: >> I reset the memory and I have a working machine again. >> >> But the extra video card is still not providing video. > What kind of card did you get? > The card is an ASUS ENGT220 with a NVidia chip set. So I will just let ASUS sort is out. Tomorrow I will update the BIOS and see if that helps. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 00:12:31 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 20:12:31 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: <4DCA839F.2050407-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> <4DCA839F.2050407@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110512001231.GB26430@waltdnes.org> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:39:59AM -0400, James Knott wrote > Here's the Wikipedia quote, without all the HTML code: > > "On Unix-like operating systems, rdate is a tool for querying the > current time from a network server and, optionally, setting the system > time. Rdate uses the Time Protocol. The Time Protocol is generally > considered obsolete and has been replaced by the Network Time Protocol > (NTP)." That may be it. It's worked for years, so I didn't touch it. Anyhow, after a lot of searching, I found nist1-ny.ustiming.org in New York City. That'll do for now. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 00:36:02 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 20:36:02 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: <20110512001231.GB26430-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> <4DCA839F.2050407@rogers.com> <20110512001231.GB26430@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20110512003602.GA32379@yam.witteman.ca> I've always (since they finished it) been using ntpdate - OpenBSD's timeserver-based clock updater. Also, because I live here in Toronto I use the U of T timeserver - tock.utoronto.ca. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 01:05:18 2011 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 21:05:18 -0400 Subject: Wither TeX? (was Re:Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110511210518.abad4eec.hgibson@eol.ca> On Wed, 11 May 2011 17:20:09 -0400 Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Sorry for the late entry. > > At one point I really loved TeX. Well, LaTeX to be certain -- I wrote my own > macros and found it a very nice way to create pretty print versions of > database reports, etc. The DVI creation process was certainly familiar to > those who were used to compiling code. I was a card--carrying member of > TUG. But I always REALLY detested Computer Modern as a font from a graphic > design PoV and I could never wrap my head around Metafont. > > ... I still use LaTeX for a few things, for example, the Linux install instructions on my website. Latex2html and pdflatex mean that your LaTeX document can be converted to alternate formats. The purpose of DVI is to print stuff on paper. I don't think latex2html controls the font. In the distant past, I created pretty documents using LaTeX. OpenOffice is much better for this. LaTeX is at it best creating standardised, formatted documents. Donald Knuth's whole point in creating TeX is that he did not like the way people were typesetting his documents. He had no interest in how _you_ want his documents formatted. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 01:14:51 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 21:14:51 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: <20110512001231.GB26430-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> <4DCA839F.2050407@rogers.com> <20110512001231.GB26430@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4DCB348B.6060803@rogers.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:39:59AM -0400, James Knott wrote > >> Here's the Wikipedia quote, without all the HTML code: >> >> "On Unix-like operating systems, rdate is a tool for querying the >> current time from a network server and, optionally, setting the system >> time. Rdate uses the Time Protocol. The Time Protocol is generally >> considered obsolete and has been replaced by the Network Time Protocol >> (NTP)." >> > That may be it. It's worked for years, so I didn't touch it. Anyhow, > after a lot of searching, I found nist1-ny.ustiming.org in New York > City. That'll do for now. > > Why not go with NTP? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 01:31:43 2011 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 21:31:43 -0400 Subject: Wither TeX? (was Re:Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors) In-Reply-To: <20110511210518.abad4eec.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110511210518.abad4eec.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: > On Wed, 11 May 2011 17:20:09 -0400 > Evan Leibovitch wrote: > >> Sorry for the late entry. >> >> At one point I really loved TeX. Well, LaTeX to be certain -- I wrote my >> own >> macros and found it a very nice way to create pretty print versions of >> database reports, etc. The DVI creation process was certainly familiar >> to >> those who were used to compiling code. I was a card--carrying member of >> TUG. But I always REALLY detested Computer Modern as a font from a >> graphic >> design PoV and I could never wrap my head around Metafont. >> >> ... > > I still use LaTeX for a few things, for example, the Linux install > instructions on my website. Latex2html and pdflatex mean that your > LaTeX document can be converted to alternate formats. The purpose of > DVI is to print stuff on paper. I don't think latex2html controls the > font. > > In the distant past, I created pretty documents using LaTeX. > OpenOffice is much better for this. LaTeX is at it best creating > standardised, formatted documents. Donald Knuth's whole point in > creating TeX is that he did not like the way people were typesetting > his documents. He had no interest in how _you_ want his documents > formatted. > Having done a couple of books using Latex, I've found it quite workable and the results very satisfactory. It justifies type and typesets mathematics beautifully. It interfaces well with diagram and images. The thing it does not do well, as Evan observed, is flow text around images. It can be done (see wrapfig.sty), but it requires a certain amount of manual intervention to work correctly. And I never did figure out how to change fonts, but I'm happy with Times. It depends on the application. For a one-page specification sheet with diagrams and lots of frames, OpenOffice is great. Latex would be a nightmare. Conversely, for an academic text (Analog Circuit Design, 1100 pages, http://www.syscompdesign.com/index.html) I found Latex just excellent in things like indexing, cross-referencing and generally debugging the manuscript. Oh, and you can use whatever editor you like... Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 02:54:34 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 22:54:34 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: <20110511023939.GA2165-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20110512025434.GA2754@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 10:39:39PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sun, May 08, 2011 at 05:15:26PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote > > > time.nrc.ca seems to have stopped working for me. > > Make that rdate seems to have stopped working for me. I tried various > servers, and got a timeout error each time. I just did an upgrade to > Gentoo baselayout 2, and I'm wondering if that's involved. I'll take > this problem to the Gentoo users list. $ netdate time.chu.nrc.ca still works. But, you can use $ ntpdate time.nrc.ca -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 03:08:45 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 23:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: UBB: last day to comment Message-ID: The deadline for comments is 20:00 2011 May 12 EDT. Scroll way down to 2011-77 (second last). Use the Submit button. Or look at other folks' submissions. I'm annoyed by trivia in the submission process: They forced me to specify Mr, Mrs, or Ms. What if I were a M? I happen to be a Dr. but I cannot specify that, nor can I leave that out (my preference). They would not allow me to specify an + in my email address, claiming that that isn't valid (it certainly is). Here's what I just submitted. It could have been better, but I'm running out of time: Comments on File Number 8661-C12-201102350: Review of billing practices for wholesale residential high-speed access services By D. Hugh Redelmeier, Mimosa Systems Inc. I strongly support the analysis in Vaxination Informatique's submission. The broadband last mile is currently a duopoly. The only reason it isn't a monopoly is that two monopolies converged. I see no way for a similar third last-mile network to be built by the market. Free market solutions are generally considered a good thing. But monopolies are not part of free markets. Monopolies musts be constrained for the good of the free market. Regulations must be used to harness them for the good of society and regulations must be used to prevent monopoly power to be used as a lever to dominate parts of the market that need not be monopolies. The last mile is pretty close to a natural monopoly. Everything outside of that should be severed from the last mile monopoly. This logic should be applied to the provision of broadband internet service to Canadian households and businesses. Clearly this was a motivation for the CRTC requiring the last mile providers make their plant available to the third-party ISPs. There should be a simple rationale for this ?unbundling?, and that rational should drive CRTC regulations. As Vaxination has clearly laid out, limiting third-party ISPs to relabelling last-mile provider's retail packages is quite misguided. It defeats any imaginable purpose of the provision for third-party access. The regulatory regime must fairly reward the providers of the last mile. This reward must be structured to encourage increased efficiency (for example, reducing costs, increasing reliability, increasing speed, and increasing access). It must not allow the monopolies to be leveraged into monopolizing larger markets. It must not incentivize inefficiency. A tall order. The proposed tariffs (either retail or now wholesale) for UBB seem to be orders of magnitude too high. Logically, they should only be for the shared part of the last mile. That is the very cheapest part, or should be. If it isn't, the last-mile providers would seem to be intentionally crippling their systems. One cure would be to give third-party ISPs (or even a fourth party) access to the Central Offices to build their own backhaul capability. That is only needed because of the intransigence of the last-mile providers. This says nothing about the CATV cable plant. That is more complicated because more is shared. On the other hand, reasonable regulation of the telephone last-mile might provide competition to drive cable last-mile prices to a lower level. Traffic shaping has some uses. It should be under control of the ISPs, not the last-mile providers. One reason is that it gives a market discipline to the practice. I infer that one purpose of UBB and traffic-shaping is to provide protection for the last-mile owners' other products: video and voice, currently, in various packages. This is the sort of thing that the CRTC should forbid. From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 04:59:50 2011 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 00:59:50 -0400 Subject: Wither TeX? (was Re:Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors) In-Reply-To: References: <20110511210518.abad4eec.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: On 11 May 2011 21:31, wrote: > The thing it does not do well, as Evan observed, is flow text > around images. Reflowable text means something quite different from that, something that TeX is even worse at. The capability means that the user can press + in their reader and the text size bumps up a notch, immediately repainting itself according to the margins, justification, and other CSS rules are in place. Even the cheapest ebook reader can enlarge the screen type size on ePub or mobi/Kindle format ebooks, just like you can enlarge the text on the browser or email program you're using to read these words. The PDF spec also allows reflowable text, but very few documents have the feature enabled. When Howard said: Donald Knuth's whole point in creating TeX is that he did not like the way > people were typesetting his documents. He had no interest in how _you_ want > his documents formatted. I think he came really close to revealing the critical flaw in TeX's faithful execution of Knuth's approach. It presumes that the producer of content must have full control over distribution and presentation. While still present -- mainly in the world of fine arts -- such a paradigm has been largely eradicated by the growth of the web and a generation that gets most of its information from a screen rather than a sheet. In a word where users are demanding more flexibility and control over how they consume content, Knuth's approach is becoming less relevant by the day. Publishers these days rarely have the luxury of being disinterested in the wishes of their consumers. - Evan > It can be done (see wrapfig.sty), but it requires a certain amount > of manual intervention to work correctly. And I never did figure out how > to change fonts, but I'm happy with Times. > > It depends on the application. For a one-page specification sheet with > diagrams and lots of frames, OpenOffice is great. Latex would be a > nightmare. Conversely, for an academic text (Analog Circuit Design, 1100 > pages, http://www.syscompdesign.com/index.html) I found Latex just > excellent in things like indexing, cross-referencing and generally > debugging the manuscript. > > Oh, and you can use whatever editor you like... > > Peter > > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > http://www.syscompdesign.com > USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > 647-839-0325 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada Em: evan at telly dot org Sk: evanleibovitch Tw: el56 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 11:29:56 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 07:29:56 -0400 Subject: Wither TeX? (was Re:Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors) In-Reply-To: References: <20110511210518.abad4eec.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <4DCBC4B4.5060603@gmail.com> On 11-05-12 00:59 , Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > Reflowable text means something quite different from that, something > that TeX is even worse at. Well, you can hardly blame Knuth for not adding a feature that didn't exist until 20 years after TeX was conceived. TeX is a killer H&J engine; it optimizes line and page breaks about as well as it is possible to do without skilled manual intervention. I'm guessing that the e-readers don't do proper visual space balancing in paragraph flows (certainly, no web browser I've seen does more than the most trivial line breaking), and very probably don't know how to deal with widows and orphans appropriately. TeX isn't a display typography engine. TeX isn't for reflowable text. Don't try to make it be something it isn't. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 12:36:11 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 08:36:11 -0400 Subject: Wither TeX? (was Re:Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors) In-Reply-To: References: <20110511210518.abad4eec.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: I saw an interesting TV show on the future of the publishing industry. In that discussion, it was a selection of authors and publishers who were talking about their various experiences. When they rounded up, the central idea seemd to be that; as the cost of delivering the writing to the audience converged with next to zero, so did the value of the content decline. All present were bemoaning their decrease in income sources as the digital transport of ideas takes hold in our collective consciousness. Fewer and fewer people buy books. I think that soon only those who must have books, will have books. The overhead in production is too great and even the space they use in storage will come at a premium. Thirty years ago a lawyer would charge two to three times what it costs to convey a house today. Their declining income is based in part, on their ablility to access POLARIS land records online and as well use tools like Purview to do a risk analysis of any property. This used to be done by staff. A forty year search is now done onlline, not days or weeks in the land records office. Property analysis reports are available in seconds. However these reports rarely see the light of day on paper. They are mostly viewed on computer screens and if printed they are audited and shredded, sometimes in almost the same moment. To keep this post about linux. If nroff, groff and troff are part of that set of original computer type format languages, kind of like the first typewriters, does that make LateX the Linotype machine of electronic publication? Russell On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > > On 11 May 2011 21:31, wrote: > >> >> The thing it does not do well, as Evan observed, is flow text >> around?images. > > Reflowable text means something quite different from that, something that > TeX is even worse at. The capability means that the user can press + > in their reader and the text size bumps up a notch, immediately repainting > itself according to the margins, justification, and other CSS rules are in > place. Even the cheapest ebook reader can enlarge the screen type size on > ePub or mobi/Kindle format ebooks, just like you can enlarge the text on the > browser or email program you're using to read these words. The PDF spec also > allows reflowable text, but very few documents have the feature enabled. > When Howard said: >> >> Donald Knuth's whole point in creating TeX is that he did not like the way >> people were typesetting his documents. ?He had no interest in how _you_ want >> his documents formatted. > > I think he came really close to revealing the critical flaw in TeX's > faithful execution of Knuth's approach. It presumes that the producer of > content must have full control over distribution and presentation. While > still present -- mainly in the world of fine arts -- such a paradigm has > been largely eradicated by the growth of the web and a generation that gets > most of its information from a screen rather than a sheet. In a word where > users are demanding more flexibility and control over how they consume > content, Knuth's approach is becoming less relevant by the day. Publishers > these days rarely have the luxury of being disinterested in the wishes of > their consumers. > - Evan > > > >> >> It can be done (see wrapfig.sty), but it requires a certain amount >> of manual intervention to work correctly. And I never did figure out how >> to change fonts, but I'm happy with Times. >> >> It depends on the application. For a one-page specification sheet with >> diagrams and lots of frames, OpenOffice is great. Latex would be a >> nightmare. Conversely, for an academic text (Analog Circuit Design, 1100 >> pages, http://www.syscompdesign.com/index.html) I found Latex just >> excellent in things like indexing, cross-referencing and generally >> debugging the manuscript. >> >> Oh, and you can use whatever editor you like... >> >> Peter >> >> -- >> Peter Hiscocks >> Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto >> http://www.syscompdesign.com >> USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator >> 647-839-0325 >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada > Em: evan at telly dot org > Sk: evanleibovitch > Tw: el56 > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 13:00:45 2011 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 09:00:45 -0400 Subject: Wither TeX? (was Re:Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors) In-Reply-To: <4DCBC4B4.5060603-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110511210518.abad4eec.hgibson@eol.ca> <4DCBC4B4.5060603@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12 May 2011 07:29, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 11-05-12 00:59 , Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > > > Reflowable text means something quite different from that, > something that TeX is even worse at. > > Well, you can hardly blame Knuth for not adding a feature that didn't exist > until 20 years after TeX was conceived. The "feature" was a philosophy that the user had no right to suggest -- let alone have the ability to alter -- the presentation. Given the rise of the Internet and its associated shifting control to the consumer, Knuth's feature is in increasing disrepute, What has replaced TeX -- XML together with its sub-genres, MathML, HTML, etc as well as CSS -- could have evolved using TeX syntax instead of what eventually was used; that is \documentclass{foo} \begin{bar} The quick brown fox doesn't jump over foxes anymore \end{foo} could have become the norm instead of The quick brown fox doesn't jump over foxes anymore There was nothing wrong or lacking in the syntax style (except perhaps an anglo-centric focus). It was the associated 'screw the user' baggage behind TeX -- and the features that grew out of that -- that have prevented TeX from realizing its potential. > TeX is a killer H&J engine; it optimizes line and page breaks about as well > as it is possible to do without skilled manual intervention. Of course, in the digital realm the very concept of the page is backwards-compatibility hack that may itself be replaced by other navigation tools, just as the traditional index in books has already been made redundant by the user's ability to do full-text searches. At least in the word processors I know, page breaking can be configured to be done fairly intelligently (browsers need no concept of physical page limits, so page breaks are manually added anyway). Same with justification. Though I would agree that TeX still likely does hyphenation better, even the demand for that drops as full-line justification appears to go out of style. I'm guessing that the e-readers don't do proper visual space balancing in > paragraph flows > Ah, there's the rub... what's "proper"? In an ereader, the end-user gets to choose what spacing is most comfortable for them, one size need not fit all. In TeX, the content provider makes a guess on what's right and then enforces it for everyone. TeX could certainly enforce the rules better than any other tool of its kind, but that enforcement isn't needed the way it once was. As for kerning, that's now done more in the font, which is IMO where it belongs because it then becomes display-vehicle independent. > (certainly, no web browser I've seen does more than the most trivial line > breaking), and very probably don't know how to deal with widows and orphans > appropriately. > This kind of thing is easy to verify -- the HTML/CSS spec certainly allows for orphans and widows. So if a content provider cares to want them, the browser (or ereader) will obey. TeX isn't a display typography engine. TeX isn't for reflowable text. Don't > try to make it be something it isn't. > That's my point.It isn't -- and it can't be -- what is needed in textual content delivery going forward. - Evan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 13:36:45 2011 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 09:36:45 -0400 Subject: Cool, but obscure Unix tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DCBE26D.40703@gmail.com> On 5/11/2011 1:52 PM, Sadiq Saif wrote: > Found this via Twitter (thanks @linuxnja) > - http://kkovacs.eu/cool-but-obscure-unix-tools Awesome find. I'm ashamed to say that I only knew about roughly a third of these. :-) -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 13:55:26 2011 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 09:55:26 -0400 Subject: Cool, but obscure Unix tools In-Reply-To: <4DCBE26D.40703-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCBE26D.40703@gmail.com> Message-ID: I knew most of them (I use htop and rtorrent all the time, by the way), but Ttytter will be added to my console-only netbook project. Renata's Asus EEE 900 has a busted trackpad, but everything else works perfectly. :-) - FZ On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 09:36, Mike Kallies wrote: > On 5/11/2011 1:52 PM, Sadiq Saif wrote: >> Found this via Twitter (thanks @linuxnja) >> - http://kkovacs.eu/cool-but-obscure-unix-tools > > Awesome find. ?I'm ashamed to say that I only knew about roughly a third > of these. ? :-) > > > -Mike > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 14:27:08 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 10:27:08 -0400 Subject: Wither TeX? (was Re:Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors) In-Reply-To: References: <20110511210518.abad4eec.hgibson@eol.ca> <4DCBC4B4.5060603@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Of course, in the digital realm the very concept of the page is > backwards-compatibility hack that may itself be replaced by other navigation > tools, just as the traditional index in books has already been made > redundant by the user's ability to do full-text searches. > > But a full-text search doesn't replace a thematic index. Full-text search might catch all the instances of the word "pedantic", but it doesn't help me with the "see also: neckbeard". ;-) Ah, there's the rub... what's "proper"? > Sadly, good book typography is something you shouldn't notice. It's only when it gets really bad do you see it. This kind of thing is easy to verify -- the HTML/CSS spec certainly allows > for orphans and widows. > So if a content provider cares to want them, the browser (or ereader) will > obey. > So knowing how to add "p {orphans: 3;}" to my CSS makes me Jan Tschichold? With the narrow screens that e-readers currently have, hy­phen­ation is crit­ical in getting the information density on a page up there for rapid reading. I'll bet that, even though e-readers al­low for hy­phen­ation con­trol, 99% of users won't change them from the dull defaults. And yes, I de­lib­erately wrote this para us­ing what I under­stand to be HTML's best shot at soft hy­phen­ation. Craptastic, no? That's my point.It isn't -- and it can't be -- what is needed in textual > content delivery going forward. > If your plans include paper output, TeX might make a very good formatting backend. Once e-readers get rid of the "Loading ..." wait time as you open up a new book and the FLASH-lookit-me-I'm-a-Tek-4014-taking-all-day-to-refresh page turning, I'll use one. Until then, I'll be in the stacks. cheers, Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ - 73 de VA3PID -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A quick note for apt (debian/ubuntu) users looking try ack, the package & command are called ack-grep (ack is a Kanji character converter) -- ? Scott Elcomb ? @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca ? Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems ? http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ ? Clerk of the Pirate Party of Canada ? http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 15:29:33 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:29:33 -0400 Subject: Cool, but obscure Unix tools In-Reply-To: References: <4DCBE26D.40703@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Scott Elcomb wrote: > A quick note for apt (debian/ubuntu) users looking try ack, the > package & command are called ack-grep (ack is a Kanji character > converter) ack-grep is a nice extension to the notion of grep. I particularly like the way it avoids the need to use "find," as well as working nicely in scm repositories by virtue of ignoring (for instance) the internal bits of a git repo. I couldn't find an SCM repo anywhere containing tpp ("text presentation program"), so pulled the various versions I found on the web and assembled them into a Git repo @ GitHub. https://github.com/cbbrowne/tpp I am *so* going to do my next presentation using tpp! :-). -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 15:52:49 2011 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:52:49 +0000 Subject: Old PC's Message-ID: Probably a silly question, but is there any use for old P2 and P3 computers? I have some I'm taking to the recycling dump, but hate to dump them if they are usable for routers or anything else. I personally have no use for them. John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 15:58:56 2011 From: adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:58:56 -0400 Subject: Wither TeX? (was Re:Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors) In-Reply-To: References: <20110511210518.abad4eec.hgibson@eol.ca> <4DCBC4B4.5060603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110512155856.GH22558@adb.ca> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > On 12 May 2011 07:29, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > Well, you can hardly blame Knuth for not adding a feature that didn't exist > > until 20 years after TeX was conceived. > > The "feature" was a philosophy that the user had no right to suggest -- let > alone have the ability to alter -- the presentation. Given the rise of the > Internet and its associated shifting control to the consumer, Knuth's > feature is in increasing disrepute, Just exactly *how* were you going to control page size, fonts, etc, on a physical piece of paper? If you're doing physical layout to go to press, then page size, along with details like paper weight and glossiness and the print quality, are constants that you can build into what you're doing. You try your best to make reasonable formatting decisions that will be pleasing to the eyes of most readers. Book publishers will jump through a lot of those hoops a second time going from hardcover to paperback format. And even at home with a modest laser printer I've got a reasonably respectable printing facility. TeX is an awesome rendering engine in that environment. However, e-text is an entirely new and wonderful thing; with layout left to the reader's device, we can go with huge flatscreens (and all or some smaller window thereof), portable devices, etc, with very different line-widths. Those of us whose eyes are getting older can up the font size. We can even leave the choice of font in the hands of the user, for those who find serif or sanserif easier to read. We might even hit ^P to send a copy to paper. It makes a lot of sense that a lot of the software for this is new and different, even as it might gainfully draw on lessons and algorithms learned in the paper days. We're not there entirely yet; I'd still rather sit down with a book than a reader, and I'm not ready to buy into anyone's DRM regime. Paper isn't going away anytime soon, but the world is moving in the digital direction. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 16:01:12 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:01:12 -0400 Subject: Old PC's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110512160112.GQ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 03:52:49PM +0000, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > Probably a silly question, but is there any use for old P2 and P3 computers? I have some I'm taking to the recycling dump, but hate to dump them if they are usable for routers or anything else. I personally have no use for them. Certainly could be routers. They are at least as powerful as the small dedicated boxes people use as routers and more flexible. They use a lot more power and space too of course. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sammy.lao-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 16:01:04 2011 From: sammy.lao-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Sammy Lao) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:01:04 -0400 Subject: Old PC's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <313B6FBB-B1A5-4869-9732-27327DE1E4A8@freegeektoronto.org> You can give it to us. We are a non-profit that refurb computers with Ubuntu. Most of the people serviced comes from a low income background. We teach them how to build a computer and how to use Linux for elementary computing needs. Many of the people at Free Geek are in TLUG. www.freegeektoronto.org Sent from my mobile On 2011-05-12, at 11:52, wrote: > Probably a silly question, but is there any use for old P2 and P3 computers? I have some I'm taking to the recycling dump, but hate to dump them if they are usable for routers or anything else. I personally have no use for them. > > > John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 16:14:28 2011 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:14:28 +0000 Subject: Old PC's In-Reply-To: <313B6FBB-B1A5-4869-9732-27327DE1E4A8-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> References: ,<313B6FBB-B1A5-4869-9732-27327DE1E4A8@freegeektoronto.org> Message-ID: I knew about your group, didn't think you were interested in anything that old. I have at least one P233 plus a K6-2 350 and maybe a K6-2 450. If they're any good to you, I'll save them and will even deliver them to your shop in the near future. John. > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Old PC's > From: sammy.lao-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org > Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:01:04 -0400 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > You can give it to us. > > We are a non-profit that refurb computers with Ubuntu. > > Most of the people serviced comes from a low income background. We teach them how to build a computer and how to use Linux for elementary computing needs. > > Many of the people at Free Geek are in TLUG. > > www.freegeektoronto.org > > Sent from my mobile > > On 2011-05-12, at 11:52, wrote: > > > Probably a silly question, but is there any use for old P2 and P3 computers? I have some I'm taking to the recycling dump, but hate to dump them if they are usable for routers or anything else. I personally have no use for them. > > > > > > John. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 16:19:24 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Wither TeX? (was Re:Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors) In-Reply-To: References: <20110511210518.abad4eec.hgibson@eol.ca> <4DCBC4B4.5060603@gmail.com> Message-ID: | To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org | The "feature" was a philosophy that the user had no right to suggest -- let | alone have the ability to alter -- the presentation. Given the rise of the | Internet and its associated shifting control to the consumer, Knuth's | feature is in increasing disrepute, This is a war. The original HTML carefully left presentation to the browser. Most subsequent changes were to allow the creator to claw back control. Example: most restaurant sites in Toronto seem to be Flash, apparently to give total control to the creator. Result: I cannot see them on my desktop (I don't do flash) or on my Android 2.2 smartphone, or on my iPad. What a Pyrrhic victory for the restaurants. Example: a lot of stuff is in PDF. I cannot conveniently read it in my Kobo ereader (not enough resolution). Example: how many things are JPEGs that could be text, allowing for searching and cutting and pasting. Example: how many sites fail accessability. Example: how many sites fail on netbooks that have limited resolution. Example: how many sites fail on my TV (10 feet away). There is room for TeX and PDF, but the producers need to be aware of the consequences of their choices. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 16:39:45 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:39:45 -0400 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: <20110506131806.GA30490@amber> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> <20110506131806.GA30490@amber> Message-ID: <20110512163945.GA18891@amber> On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 09:18:06AM -0400, Peter King wrote: > > So here's the second question. Is there a more sensible/straightforward way to reproduce > > one disk onto another of larger size? > > The consensus seems to be: partition the new disk; copy over files (versions using cpio, > tar, and rsync have been mentioned); mount the new disk and chroot into it to grub-install. The struggle continues. Got a fresh new shiny disk, and I partitioned it and installed the same filesystems as the current disk: /dev/sda1 for /boot [ext2], sda2 for swap, sda3 for / [ext3]. Mounted the boot and root partitions separately and used rsync -avHx SOURCE/ DEST/ to copy everything over exactly -- thanks to Lennart for the suggestion. Then I replaced the old disk with the almost-mirror-image new disk, booted from a USB stick, chrooted into the new disk, and installed grub manually. All seemed to go well. Reboot, and the new disk is seen by the BIOS; it finds grub on the MBR and loads it; I select a kernel and start to boot up -- by this time I'm starting to think it will work -- and then, after it correctly finds my keyboard, it just, well, stops. Nothing. No drive activity, no indication of life. Replacing the old disk I see that after finding a keyboard it then loads /sys, and calls for udev. Perhaps the problem is there. What went wrong? Any idea? Seems as though grub is fine. As far as I can tell the new disk is the mirror-image of the image, except with respect to the installation of grub, though. Any suggestions or ideas welcome. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 16:59:03 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:59:03 -0400 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: <20110512163945.GA18891@amber> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> <20110506131806.GA30490@amber> <20110512163945.GA18891@amber> Message-ID: <20110512165903.GR21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:39:45PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 09:18:06AM -0400, Peter King wrote: > > > > So here's the second question. Is there a more sensible/straightforward way to reproduce > > > one disk onto another of larger size? > > > > The consensus seems to be: partition the new disk; copy over files (versions using cpio, > > tar, and rsync have been mentioned); mount the new disk and chroot into it to grub-install. > > The struggle continues. Got a fresh new shiny disk, and I partitioned it and installed the > same filesystems as the current disk: /dev/sda1 for /boot [ext2], sda2 for swap, sda3 for / > [ext3]. Mounted the boot and root partitions separately and used rsync -avHx SOURCE/ DEST/ > to copy everything over exactly -- thanks to Lennart for the suggestion. Then I replaced > the old disk with the almost-mirror-image new disk, booted from a USB stick, chrooted into > the new disk, and installed grub manually. All seemed to go well. Reboot, and the new disk > is seen by the BIOS; it finds grub on the MBR and loads it; I select a kernel and start to > boot up -- by this time I'm starting to think it will work -- and then, after it correctly > finds my keyboard, it just, well, stops. Nothing. No drive activity, no indication of life. > > Replacing the old disk I see that after finding a keyboard it then loads /sys, and calls for > udev. Perhaps the problem is there. > > What went wrong? Any idea? Seems as though grub is fine. As far as I can tell the new disk > is the mirror-image of the image, except with respect to the installation of grub, though. > > Any suggestions or ideas welcome. Do you have UUID statements in grub.cfg and /etc/fstab? If so, those would need to be updated to match your new filesystems. Grub probably already got it right, but then again it might not. That would prevent mounting / and that would make boot hang part way. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 17:39:34 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 13:39:34 -0400 Subject: Old PC's In-Reply-To: References: <313B6FBB-B1A5-4869-9732-27327DE1E4A8@freegeektoronto.org> Message-ID: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:14 PM, wrote: > I knew about your group, didn't think you were interested in anything that > old. I have at least one P233 plus a K6-2 350 and maybe a K6-2 450. If > they're any good to you, I'll save them and will even deliver them to your > shop in the near future. I've done some volunteer work at Free Geek, they are very good folks. I've also done some volunteer work for another very good bunch, Planet Geek which does similar stuff to Free Geek. Bottom line, if some use can be found for an old PC Planet Geek or Free Geek will find it. If it is any help to decide things Planet Geek folks do most of their stuff out of a small warehouse space near Keele and Dundas, the Planet Geek people do most of their stuff out of the basement of a large house near Danforth and Broadview. I would tend to go with whichever is closer to you, and if they are equally close, flip a coin :-) . Colin McGregor P.S.: I've bcc'ed this e-mail to two of the Planet Geek guys.... > John. > >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Old PC's >> From: sammy.lao-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org >> Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:01:04 -0400 >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> >> You can give it to us. >> >> We are a non-profit that refurb computers with Ubuntu. >> >> Most of the people serviced comes from a low income background. We teach >> them how to build a computer and how to use Linux for elementary computing >> needs. >> >> Many of the people at Free Geek are in TLUG. >> >> www.freegeektoronto.org >> >> Sent from my mobile >> >> On 2011-05-12, at 11:52, wrote: >> >> > Probably a silly question, but is there any use for old P2 and P3 >> > computers? I have some I'm taking to the recycling dump, but hate to dump >> > them if they are usable for routers or anything else. I personally have no >> > use for them. >> > >> > >> > John. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 17:45:38 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 13:45:38 -0400 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: <20110512165903.GR21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> <20110506131806.GA30490@amber> <20110512163945.GA18891@amber> <20110512165903.GR21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110512174538.GA19061@amber> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:59:03PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Do you have UUID statements in grub.cfg and /etc/fstab? > > If so, those would need to be updated to match your new filesystems. My grub.conf just uses the usual (relative) addressing scheme: default 0 timeout 10 splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz title gentoo-2.6.36r8 root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/gentoo-2.6.36r8 root=/dev/sda3 title gentoo-2.6.36r6 root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/gentoo-2.6.36r6 root=/dev/sda3 This works on the old disk, and, as noted, the new disk does seem to get as far as recognizing the keyboard, which is after finding disks but right before creating /sys, then running udev, then the various initscripts (initializing swap, procfs, framebuffer, and so on)... -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I particularly > like the way it avoids the need to use "find," as well as working > nicely in scm repositories by virtue of ignoring (for instance) the > internal bits of a git repo. > > I couldn't find an SCM repo anywhere containing tpp ("text > presentation program"), so pulled the various versions I found on the > web and assembled them into a Git repo @ GitHub. > https://github.com/cbbrowne/tpp > > I am *so* going to do my next presentation using tpp! :-). > -- > When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the > question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Sadiq S http://asininetech.com https://launchpad.net/~staticsafe https://github.com/staticsafe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20110512174538.GA19061@amber> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> <20110506131806.GA30490@amber> <20110512163945.GA18891@amber> <20110512165903.GR21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110512174538.GA19061@amber> Message-ID: <20110512184416.GS21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 01:45:38PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:59:03PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > Do you have UUID statements in grub.cfg and /etc/fstab? > > > > If so, those would need to be updated to match your new filesystems. > > My grub.conf just uses the usual (relative) addressing scheme: > > default 0 > timeout 10 > splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz > > title gentoo-2.6.36r8 > root (hd0,0) > kernel /boot/gentoo-2.6.36r8 root=/dev/sda3 > > title gentoo-2.6.36r6 > root (hd0,0) > kernel /boot/gentoo-2.6.36r6 root=/dev/sda3 > > This works on the old disk, and, as noted, the new disk does seem to > get as far as recognizing the keyboard, which is after finding disks > but right before creating /sys, then running udev, then the various > initscripts (initializing swap, procfs, framebuffer, and so on)... Can you boot single user mode? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 18:45:26 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:45:26 -0400 Subject: Cool, but obscure Unix tools In-Reply-To: References: <4DCBE26D.40703@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Sadiq Saif wrote: > For Arch Linux users, tpp is in the AUR: > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=10409 > It would be interesting to see the reaction if I do a presentation at school > using tpp. :) Actually, I just did a presentation at work using tpp. Nobody said "boo," which was very interesting. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 18:51:15 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:51:15 -0400 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: <20110512174538.GA19061@amber> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> <20110506131806.GA30490@amber> <20110512163945.GA18891@amber> <20110512165903.GR21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110512174538.GA19061@amber> Message-ID: <20110512185115.GA19207@amber> Things just get curiouser and curiouser. I can boot from Sysresccd with the option "boot from an existing 32/64 bit Linux system on disk" and, apart from a hiccup because the kernel on Sysresccd is older than my kernel, it all loads without any problem. The existing installation, by the way, is 64-bit kernel/userland. Having gotten up and running in this fashion, I decided to re-install grub, and again to do so manually in the standard way: #grub --no-floppy grub> root (hd0,0) <-- location of /boot, a.k.a. /dev/sda1 grub> setup (hd0) <-- install grub to MBR of /dev/sda grub> quit It all seemed to work just fine. The grub.conf was unaltered, putting boot at (hd0,0) -- which, confusingly, is written "root (hd0,0)" like above -- and then identifying the location of the rootfs at /dev/sda3. This is the *exact* configuration on the old hard disk, which works fine. Yet somehow, when things get going, it all stalls and gives up after detecting the keyboard. Must be a problem handing off to the rootfs somehow. But how? Sysresccd can find the rootfs with no trouble. Right after detecting the keyboard, as far as I can tell what happens in order is: * loading /sys * loading debug-fs * running udev The natural suspect is /sys. That's as far as I can get. But this can't be all that odd a situation -- surely others have tried to mirror hard drives, and the procedure I used seems to be ordinary enough -- so why did it blow up? I don't really understand grub, but then again my ignorance hasn't posed any difficulties before. Now I really have run out of ideas. Suggestion, even wild ones, would be welcome. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hanoglu_b-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 19:07:31 2011 From: hanoglu_b-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Burhan Hanoglu) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: <20110512185115.GA19207@amber> References: <20110512185115.GA19207@amber> Message-ID: <127924.26073.qm@web113814.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Peter, Does the box hang at that time? Please try pressing ALT+F1, ALT+F2, and so on to see if it switches between terminals and if there is any info on any of the terminals. Regards, Burhan --- On Thu, 5/12/11, Peter King wrote: > From: Peter King > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: How to replace a hard drive... > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 2:51 PM > Things just get curiouser and > curiouser. > > I can boot from Sysresccd with the option "boot from an > existing 32/64 bit Linux > system on disk" and, apart from a hiccup because the kernel > on Sysresccd is older > than my kernel, it all loads without any problem. The > existing installation, by the > way, is 64-bit kernel/userland. > > Having gotten up and running in this fashion, I decided to > re-install grub, and again > to do so manually in the standard way: > ???#grub --no-floppy > ???grub> root (hd0,0)? > ???<-- location of /boot, a.k.a. > /dev/sda1 > ???grub> setup (hd0)? ? ? > <-- install grub to MBR of /dev/sda > ???grub> quit > It all seemed to work just fine. The grub.conf was > unaltered, putting boot at (hd0,0) > -- which, confusingly, is written "root (hd0,0)" like above > -- and then identifying the > location of the rootfs at /dev/sda3. This is the *exact* > configuration on the old hard > disk, which works fine. > > Yet somehow, when things get going, it all stalls and gives > up after detecting the > keyboard. Must be a problem handing off to the rootfs > somehow. But how? Sysresccd can > find the rootfs with no trouble. > > Right after detecting the keyboard, as far as I can tell > what happens in order is: > > ???* loading /sys > ???* loading debug-fs > ???* running udev > > The natural suspect is /sys. That's as far as I can get. > But this can't be all that > odd a situation -- surely others have tried to mirror hard > drives, and the procedure I > used seems to be ordinary enough -- so why did it blow up? > I don't really understand > grub, but then again my ignorance hasn't posed any > difficulties before. Now I really > have run out of ideas. Suggestion, even wild ones, would be > welcome. > > -- > Peter King??? ??? > ???????? peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > Department of Philosophy > 170 St. George Street #521 > The University of Toronto??? > ??? ? ? (416)-978-4951 ofc > Toronto, ON? M5R 2M8 > ? ? ???CANADA > > http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ > > ========================================================================= > GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC? 36F5 > 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ushnish.sengupta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 19:10:43 2011 From: ushnish.sengupta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ushnish Sengupta) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:10:43 -0400 Subject: Old PC's In-Reply-To: References: <313B6FBB-B1A5-4869-9732-27327DE1E4A8@freegeektoronto.org> Message-ID: You mean ...FREE GEEK folks do most of their stuff out of a small warehouse space near Keele and Dundas :-) And if anyone else knows any community/nonprofit technology orgs, let me know as I am putting togther a map of these orgs in Toronto. ushnish.sengupta-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > If it is any help to decide things Planet Geek folks do most of their > stuff out of a small warehouse space near Keele and Dundas, the Planet > Geek people do most of their stuff out of the basement of a large > house near Danforth and Broadview. I would tend to go with whichever > is closer to you, and if they are equally close, flip a coin :-) . > > Colin McGregor > > P.S.: I've bcc'ed this e-mail to two of the Planet Geek guys.... > > > John. > > > >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Old PC's > >> From: sammy.lao-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org > >> Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:01:04 -0400 > >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > >> > >> You can give it to us. > >> > >> We are a non-profit that refurb computers with Ubuntu. > >> > >> Most of the people serviced comes from a low income background. We teach > >> them how to build a computer and how to use Linux for elementary > computing > >> needs. > >> > >> Many of the people at Free Geek are in TLUG. > >> > >> www.freegeektoronto.org > >> > >> Sent from my mobile > >> > >> On 2011-05-12, at 11:52, wrote: > >> > >> > Probably a silly question, but is there any use for old P2 and P3 > >> > computers? I have some I'm taking to the recycling dump, but hate to > dump > >> > them if they are usable for routers or anything else. I personally > have no > >> > use for them. > >> > > >> > > >> > John. > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 19:42:55 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: <20110512185115.GA19207@amber> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> <20110506131806.GA30490@amber> <20110512163945.GA18891@amber> <20110512165903.GR21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110512174538.GA19061@amber> <20110512185115.GA19207@amber> Message-ID: <224865.11559.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Okey, it's time for you to bring your computer to TLUG meeting. :-) This remote diagnostic is only good for "is-it-plugged-in" kind of question. -- William ----- Original Message ---- > From: Peter King > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 2:51:15 PM > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: How to replace a hard drive... > > Things just get curiouser and curiouser. > > I can boot from Sysresccd with the option "boot from an existing 32/64 bit >Linux > system on disk" and, apart from a hiccup because the kernel on Sysresccd is >older > than my kernel, it all loads without any problem. The existing installation, >by the > way, is 64-bit kernel/userland. > > Having gotten up and running in this fashion, I decided to re-install grub, >and again > > to do so manually in the standard way: > #grub --no-floppy > grub> root (hd0,0) <-- location of /boot, a.k.a. /dev/sda1 > grub> setup (hd0) <-- install grub to MBR of /dev/sda > grub> quit > It all seemed to work just fine. The grub.conf was unaltered, putting boot at >(hd0,0) > -- which, confusingly, is written "root (hd0,0)" like above -- and then >identifying the > location of the rootfs at /dev/sda3. This is the *exact* configuration on the >old hard > disk, which works fine. > > Yet somehow, when things get going, it all stalls and gives up after detecting >the > keyboard. Must be a problem handing off to the rootfs somehow. But how? >Sysresccd can > find the rootfs with no trouble. > > Right after detecting the keyboard, as far as I can tell what happens in order >is: > > * loading /sys > * loading debug-fs > * running udev > > The natural suspect is /sys. That's as far as I can get. But this can't be all >that > odd a situation -- surely others have tried to mirror hard drives, and the >procedure I > used seems to be ordinary enough -- so why did it blow up? I don't really >understand > > grub, but then again my ignorance hasn't posed any difficulties before. Now I >really > > have run out of ideas. Suggestion, even wild ones, would be welcome. > > -- > Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > Department of Philosophy > 170 St. George Street #521 > The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc > Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 > CANADA > > http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ > > ========================================================================= > GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 20:08:09 2011 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:08:09 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? Message-ID: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> I'm curious if anyone on the list has actually got this service at home. What has the experience been like? -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 20:33:43 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:33:43 -0400 Subject: Cool, but obscure Unix tools In-Reply-To: References: <4DCBE26D.40703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110512203343.GA19444@amber> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 02:39:34PM -0400, Sadiq Saif wrote: > It would be interesting to see the reaction if I do a presentation at school > using tpp. :) I gave all my classes a few years ago using nothing but tpp. The students didn't seem to mind -- at least, any more than they minded taking the classes in the first place. It is simple, effective, does 90% of what you need if you don't actually *need* to present graphical information (charts or images or whatever), and absurdly simple to learn/use. I had it on an old pentium-m laptop with only console apps. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 16:03:59 2011 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:03:59 -0400 Subject: Old PC's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110512160359.GD27188@mx1.linuxcaffe.ca> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 03:52:49PM +0000, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Probably a silly question, but is there any use for old P2 and P3 computers? I have some I'm taking to the recycling dump, but hate to dump them if they are usable for routers or anything else. I personally have no use for them. > The short answer is yes, there are legitimate uses for old boxes; low-latency servers, like for mail or files on an internal network thin-client servers, like ltsp or xdmpc, where the client doesn't need blazing video performance low-expectations desktop, running something super-light-weight distros, like puppy, damnsmall or slitaz.org case in point, I'm working from an ancient Toshiba Portege PII with 128mb of ram and it works great (but I'm using all-console tools, mutt, elinks ncmpcpp etc. It's amazing the performance and productivity gains you can get if you don't start X but realistically, most of those old boxes are going to grind up wattage for dismal performance, so they make great doorstops or "bricks" for a brick-and-board bookcase. ship it off to the inorganic market for proper reclaimation. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sammy.lao-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 21:02:41 2011 From: sammy.lao-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Sammy Lao) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:02:41 -0400 Subject: Old PC's In-Reply-To: References: ,<313B6FBB-B1A5-4869-9732-27327DE1E4A8@freegeektoronto.org> Message-ID: <4DCC4AF1.2000101@freegeektoronto.org> OK. They are a bit old. :-) We use a lot of these computers as pedagogical tools to teach people the inside of a computer. We can use them to demo what each item is and how to test whether they are functional. As for end-use, we take most computers coming in apart and salvage what we can still use from them and then separate the components out. We keep what parts we can and recycle the rest. On 11-05-12 12:14 PM, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > I knew about your group, didn't think you were interested in anything that old. I have at least one P233 plus a K6-2 350 and maybe a K6-2 450. If they're any good to you, I'll save them and will even deliver them to your shop in the near future. > > John. > >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Old PC's >> From: sammy.lao-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org >> Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:01:04 -0400 >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> >> You can give it to us. >> >> We are a non-profit that refurb computers with Ubuntu. >> >> Most of the people serviced comes from a low income background. We teach them how to build a computer and how to use Linux for elementary computing needs. >> >> Many of the people at Free Geek are in TLUG. >> >> www.freegeektoronto.org >> >> Sent from my mobile >> >> On 2011-05-12, at 11:52, wrote: >> >>> Probably a silly question, but is there any use for old P2 and P3 computers? I have some I'm taking to the recycling dump, but hate to dump them if they are usable for routers or anything else. I personally have no use for them. >>> >>> >>> John. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 21:06:27 2011 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:06:27 -0400 Subject: Wither TeX? (was Re:Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors) In-Reply-To: References: <20110511210518.abad4eec.hgibson@eol.ca> <4DCBC4B4.5060603@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12 May 2011 10:27, Stewart Russell wrote: This kind of thing is easy to verify -- the HTML/CSS spec certainly allows >> for orphans and widows. >> So if a content provider cares to want them, the browser (or ereader) will >> obey. >> > > So knowing how to add "p {orphans: 3;}" to my CSS makes me Jan Tschichold? > No more than using a calligraphic font means you can handle a fountain pen. But it brings you close enough for most needs. > With the narrow screens that e-readers currently have, > hy­phen­ation is crit­ical in getting the information density on > a page up there for rapid reading. I'll bet that, even though e-readers > al­low for hy­phen­ation con­trol, 99% of users won't change > them from the dull defaults. And yes, I de­lib­erately wrote this > para us­ing what I under­stand to be HTML's best shot at soft > hy­phen­ation. Craptastic, no? > Hypenation in ebooks is actively being worked on. The use of libraries can reduce the cumbersome nature of what you've done above and can be highly automated. > That's my point.It isn't -- and it can't be -- what is needed in textual >> content delivery going forward. >> > > If your plans include paper output, TeX might make a very good formatting > backend. > Increasingly, my needs are to produce content in multiple formats. It's impractical to use TeX for print, and XML-based derivatives for everything else. Once e-readers get rid of the "Loading ..." wait time as you open up a new > book and the FLASH-lookit-me-I'm-a-Tek-4014-taking-all-day-to-refresh page > turning, I'll use one. > > There are many more reasons why ebooks aren't catching on, but none of them have to do with TeX nostalgia. - Evan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 21:07:55 2011 From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:07:55 -0400 Subject: Old PC's In-Reply-To: <20110512160555.GE27188-LeRHvRAqNwMrKQYAy0tNMPd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <20110512160359.GD27188@mx1.linuxcaffe.ca> <20110512160555.GE27188@mx1.linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: I've been looking for something like this, so I can have an extra machine to run irssi on, as I restart my desktop often Is there some time I can pick them up? On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:05 PM, David J Patrick wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:03:59PM -0400, David J Patrick wrote: > > thin-client servers, like ltsp or xdmpc, where the client doesn't need > > blazing video performance > > > I mean, of course, thin-clients, not thin-client-servers, which should be > good and snotty. > djp > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Sadiq S http://asininetech.com https://launchpad.net/~staticsafe https://github.com/staticsafe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 21:17:51 2011 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:17:51 -0400 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: <20110512163945.GA18891@amber> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> <20110506131806.GA30490@amber> <20110512163945.GA18891@amber> Message-ID: <4DCC4E7F.9060904@ve3syb.ca> Peter King wrote: > Reboot, and the new disk > is seen by the BIOS; it finds grub on the MBR and loads it; I select a kernel and start to > boot up -- by this time I'm starting to think it will work -- and then, after it correctly > finds my keyboard, it just, well, stops. Nothing. No drive activity, no indication of life. When I have copied files using rsync I include -S as one of the command line arguments. > Replacing the old disk I see that after finding a keyboard it then loads /sys, and calls for > udev. Perhaps the problem is there. Recent Linux distros seem to want to use UUID strings in /etc/fstab to refer to the drives. Its all well and good until you change a partition or hard drive after which you find it fails to boot properly. Check your /etc/fstab file to see if it is using uuid strings rather than /dev/sdaN type partition specifiers. If it was a problem with /etc/fstab you would normally see an error message stating something to the effect that it was unable to mount the (root) file system. Use Alt-Fn keys to see if one of the other console windows has any additional information displayed as to why the boot process ground to a halt. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 21:21:52 2011 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:21:52 -0400 Subject: Old PC's In-Reply-To: References: ,<313B6FBB-B1A5-4869-9732-27327DE1E4A8@freegeektoronto.org> Message-ID: <4DCC4F70.6010004@ve3syb.ca> From: sammy.lao-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org > We are a non-profit that refurb computers with Ubuntu. > > Most of the people serviced comes from a low income background. We teach > them how to build a computer and how to use Linux for elementary > computing needs. Wow... You will take machines as old as P2's and P3's? I remember one other place that took old machine stating nothing older than a P4 (this was a few years ago). They considered machines like a P2 too old/slow/something to be worth them trying to repurpose. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 21:24:31 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:24:31 -0400 Subject: Old PC's In-Reply-To: <20110512160359.GD27188-LeRHvRAqNwMrKQYAy0tNMPd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <20110512160359.GD27188@mx1.linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:03 PM, David J Patrick wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 03:52:49PM +0000, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: >> >> Probably a silly question, but is there any use for old P2 and P3 computers? I have some I'm taking to the recycling dump, but hate to dump them if they are usable for routers or anything else. I personally have no use for them. >> > The short answer is yes, there are legitimate uses for old boxes; ... > but realistically, most of those old boxes are going to grind up wattage > for dismal performance, so they make great doorstops or "bricks" for a > brick-and-board bookcase. > > ship it off to the inorganic market for proper reclaimation. > djp Sadly, the "realistically" part is certainly true. If you aren't paying for your electricity or your real estate, then it's possible for it to be economically sensible to use these oldies. Unfortunately, if you *do* have to pay for power and real estate, it's easy for that to instantly depreciate the hardware to a negative value. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 21:33:22 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:33:22 -0400 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: <4DCC4E7F.9060904-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> <20110506131806.GA30490@amber> <20110512163945.GA18891@amber> <4DCC4E7F.9060904@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Peter King wrote: >> >> Reboot, and the new disk >> is seen by the BIOS; it finds grub on the MBR and loads it; I select a >> kernel and start to >> boot up -- by this time I'm starting to think it will work -- and then, >> after it correctly >> finds my keyboard, it just, well, stops. Nothing. No drive activity, no >> indication of life. > > When I have copied files using rsync I include -S as one of the command line > arguments. > >> Replacing the old disk I see that after finding a keyboard it then loads >> /sys, and calls for >> udev. Perhaps the problem is there. > > Recent Linux distros seem to want to use UUID strings in /etc/fstab to refer > to the drives. Its all well and good until you change a partition or hard > drive after which you find it fails to boot properly. Check your /etc/fstab > file to see if it is using uuid strings rather than /dev/sdaN type partition > specifiers. Unfortunately, there's a dynamic here where the shift to UUIDs is likely to be the better of the alternatives. The trouble is that, with an burgeoning set of kinds of devices that imagine themselves to be SCSI devices that appear as /dev/sd?, the names of the devices have become rather less stable than you might wish. /dev/sda1 might assortedly be: - A partition on a "USB stick" - A partition on a SCSI disk - A partition on a SATA disk on another bus - A filesystem on a cell phone plugged into USB - An iPod filesystem If all of these things are plugged in at boot time, it may be pretty unpredictable device gets tagged with /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc, and so forth, where having a UUID on the partition label will be the more predictable thing. I can imagine ways of trying to make things more predictable by, for instance, having bus-named subdirectories under /dev, or by throwing bus names into the device names. I don't think it's obvious that this *actually* stabilizes the names you need to stow in /etc/fstab; I suspect that perceived stability is something of a mirage, and it's certainly going to make device names more gibberishy. I don't love UUIDs, but they may be the best of a bad lot :-(. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 22:19:59 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 18:19:59 -0400 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: <4DCC4E7F.9060904-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> <20110506131806.GA30490@amber> <20110512163945.GA18891@amber> <4DCC4E7F.9060904@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20110512221959.GA19746@amber> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 05:17:51PM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Recent Linux distros seem to want to use UUID strings in /etc/fstab to refer > to the drives. Its all well and good until you change a partition or hard > drive after which you find it fails to boot properly. Check your /etc/fstab > file to see if it is using uuid strings rather than /dev/sdaN type partition > specifiers. Gentoo still permits the old specifications and, since they work in the old grub.conf (on the old disk), they should work in the new. Or so one would think. > If it was a problem with /etc/fstab you would normally see an error message > stating something to the effect that it was unable to mount the (root) file > system. Use Alt-Fn keys to see if one of the other console windows has any > additional information displayed as to why the boot process ground to a halt. Can't get to virtual consoles. Can't boot into single-user mode. Can't get any joy from fooling with grub command-line options at boot. Apparently it doesn't get to load /sbin/init -- or at least it doesn't help to change it to busybox or something else. It *seems* like it gags at loading /sys, before the rootfs gets loaded at all. There are days like these... -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org Thu May 12 22:52:37 2011 From: andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org (Andrew Cowie) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 08:52:37 +1000 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... In-Reply-To: <20110512163945.GA18891@amber> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> <20110506131806.GA30490@amber> <20110512163945.GA18891@amber> Message-ID: <1305240757.2049.11.camel@worthil.roaming.operationaldynamics.com> On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 12:39 -0400, Peter King wrote: > the new disk, and installed grub manually. All seemed to go well. Reboot, and the new disk > is seen by the BIOS; it finds grub on the MBR and loads it; I select a kernel and start to > boot up -- by this time I'm starting to think it will work -- and then, after it correctly > finds my keyboard, it just, well, stops. Nothing. No drive activity, no indication of life. We hit something like this last week for a client. We had to replace the boot disks in a storage machine, and the UUID ? grub2 interaction bit us rather badly. Trying to get to single user mode never worked; it would still hang. It seems that Ubuntu have added so many things such that if a normal (! noauto) mount in /etc/fstab fails, then it just hangs. I would have expected the "Enter system password or Ctrl+D to continue" but no, just stuck. The way we got around it was to manually delete all the setup and root=UUID= references from the grub boot line and spec'd root= manually. Eventually I hit on a combination that dropped not to "Enter system password" but "(initramfs)" I never found the root cause, but our guess was that the grub map (I thought that went away with grub2) still had wrong UUIDs in it even though we removed them from the boot lines. Anyway, Canonical's (initramfs) is crippled - there's no editor there! - but you can mount and copy. So the workaround was to grab broken /etc/fstab, copy it off to a separate USB stick, take it to another machine, mount & edit it there. Then you can take it back and copy the fixed file over the broken one. Then we got booted to single user, were able to reinstall grub, and then finally were on our way. That's probably all particular just to the fstab based problem we were having, but the general copy-out-copy_back approach might help for a number of related problems. Good luck, AfC Sydney -- Andrew Frederick Cowie Operational Dynamics is an operations and engineering consultancy focusing on IT strategy, organizational architecture, systems review, and effective procedures for change management: enabling successful deployment of mission critical information technology in enterprises, worldwide. http://www.operationaldynamics.com/ Sydney New York Toronto London -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 00:36:58 2011 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 20:36:58 -0400 Subject: Wither TeX? (was Re:Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors) In-Reply-To: References: <20110511210518.abad4eec.hgibson@eol.ca> <4DCBC4B4.5060603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110512203658.287c51a2.hgibson@eol.ca> On Thu, 12 May 2011 12:19:24 -0400 (EDT) "D. Hugh Redelmeier" wrote: > > This is a war. The original HTML carefully left presentation to the > browser. Most subsequent changes were to allow the creator to claw > back control. > > ... Hugh, Here is an article on my website written in LaTeX, and processed using latex2html. http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson/tolerances I have never figured out how to wrap text around graphics in LaTeX. Note how the presentation is readable by just about any browser that can handle graphics. Without my graphics, it is readable by Lynx, which is the lowest common denominator of browsers, as far as I know. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marthter-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 03:57:33 2011 From: marthter-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (marthter) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 23:57:33 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: <4DCA825D.4040208-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DCCAC2D.5080201@yahoo.ca> On 11-05-11 08:34 AM, James Knott wrote: > > Perhaps time.nrc.ca has dropped support for rdate. > According to http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/services/inms/time-services/network-time.html Note: Starting March 1, 2011, the old *TIME *protocol on port 37(RFC-868) will no longer be offered from the NTP servers below. However a new time service for the old *TIME *protocol is now offered from a new server, *time4.nrc.ca*. Users are encouraged to switch to the NTP protocol described below, for a more accurate time service. I usually use the pooled default servers in whatever distro I'm using on a given machine, or if I need some specific servers I use [tick,tock].utoronto.ca and/or [tic,toc].nrc.ca as these can (from most Toronto ISP locations) have a lower round trip delay than the random pooled ones. Cheers. Martin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 12:02:46 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 08:02:46 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: <4DCCAC2D.5080201-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> <4DCCAC2D.5080201@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4DCD1DE6.9090502@rogers.com> marthter wrote: > I usually use the pooled default servers in whatever distro I'm using > on a given machine, or if I need some specific servers I use > [tick,tock].utoronto.ca and/or [tic,toc].nrc.ca as these can (from > most Toronto ISP locations) have a lower round trip delay than the > random pooled ones. I normally use time.nrc.ca, but sometimes ca.pool.ntp.org. I wonder if theres any difference with time.nrc.ca, tic.nrc.ca and toc.nrc.ca. The all have similar IP addresses. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 12:43:22 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 08:43:22 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: <4DCCAC2D.5080201-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> <4DCCAC2D.5080201@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4DCD276A.9070300@rogers.com> marthter wrote: > > According to > http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/services/inms/time-services/network-time.html > > > Note: Starting March 1, 2011, the old *TIME *protocol on port > 37(RFC-868) will no longer be offered from the NTP servers below. > However a new time service for the old *TIME *protocol is now > offered from a new server, *time4.nrc.ca*. Users are encouraged to > switch to the NTP protocol described below, for a more accurate time > service. I see they're running Linux on their stratum 2 servers. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 13:54:40 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:54:40 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <4DCC3E29.8040401-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> Message-ID: <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> On 12/05/11 16:08, Scott Sullivan wrote: > I'm curious if anyone on the list has actually got this service at home. > > What has the experience been like? I think it's offered in my area. But I've personally decided not to purchase this service because it requires Bell Internet. And I don't want to leave Teksavvy at this time. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 14:10:54 2011 From: jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 10:10:54 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <4DCD3820.2090300-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DCD3BEE.3080407@yaknet.ca> On 11-05-13 09:54 AM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > On 12/05/11 16:08, Scott Sullivan wrote: >> I'm curious if anyone on the list has actually got this service at home. >> >> What has the experience been like? > > I think it's offered in my area. But I've personally decided not to > purchase this service because it requires Bell Internet. And I don't > want to leave Teksavvy at this time. > > Ivan. Well so much for me punting Rogers out. I'm quite happy with my ISP/home phone provider as well. We need more competition on the TV service end. Satellite or Rogers is my options for now. I also use OTA especially for the Superbowl and tonight is the series finale of Smallville. I'm pulling in the WNLO feed because CHCH borks the commercial cuts and sucks for transmission. Will he fly and put on the suit? FFS it's about time ;-) John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 15:02:31 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:02:31 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: <4DCCAC2D.5080201-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> <4DCCAC2D.5080201@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4DCD4807.3000609@rogers.com> marthter wrote: > > According to > http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/services/inms/time-services/network-time.html > > > Note: Starting March 1, 2011, the old *TIME *protocol on port > 37(RFC-868) will no longer be offered from the NTP servers below. > However a new time service for the old *TIME *protocol is now > offered from a new server, *time4.nrc.ca*. Users are encouraged to > switch to the NTP protocol described below, for a more accurate time > service. This talk about time servers brings up a question. NTP supports using multiple servers to obtain best accuracy. Does Linux support this? I can have several NTP servers specified in openSUSE. I assume the "undisciplined local clock", at the bottom of the list, is used when an external server is not available. BTW, I use time.nrc.ca, which is a stratum 2 server, for my firewall time and then use the firewall as a stratum 3 server on my network. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 15:18:15 2011 From: el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:18:15 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: <4DCD4807.3000609-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> <4DCCAC2D.5080201@yahoo.ca> <4DCD4807.3000609@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 11:02 AM, James Knott wrote: > marthter wrote: >> >> According to >> >> http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/services/inms/time-services/network-time.html >> >> >> ? Note: Starting March 1, 2011, the old *TIME *protocol on port >> ? 37(RFC-868) will no longer be offered from the NTP servers below. >> ? However a new time service for the old *TIME *protocol is now >> ? offered from a new server, *time4.nrc.ca*. Users are encouraged to >> ? switch to the NTP protocol described below, for a more accurate time >> ? service. > > > This talk about time servers brings up a question. ?NTP supports using > multiple servers to obtain best accuracy. ?Does Linux support this? ?I can > have several NTP servers specified in openSUSE. ?I assume the "undisciplined > local clock", at the bottom of the list, is used when an external server is > not available. > Linux distributions typically use the commonly available ntpd daemon, which supports all this and much more... It uses the time server that it determines is the best reference, and disciplines the *kernel's* clock, which is based on your system's timer hardware (and ultimately the system's oscillator) as opposed to any RTC hardware. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 15:21:43 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:21:43 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: <4DCD4807.3000609-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> <4DCCAC2D.5080201@yahoo.ca> <4DCD4807.3000609@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 11:02 AM, James Knott wrote: > marthter wrote: >> >> According to >> >> http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/services/inms/time-services/network-time.html >> >> >> ? Note: Starting March 1, 2011, the old *TIME *protocol on port >> ? 37(RFC-868) will no longer be offered from the NTP servers below. >> ? However a new time service for the old *TIME *protocol is now >> ? offered from a new server, *time4.nrc.ca*. Users are encouraged to >> ? switch to the NTP protocol described below, for a more accurate time >> ? service. > > > This talk about time servers brings up a question. ?NTP supports using > multiple servers to obtain best accuracy. ?Does Linux support this? ?I can > have several NTP servers specified in openSUSE. ?I assume the "undisciplined > local clock", at the bottom of the list, is used when an external server is > not available. That's not really a Linux question; that's a question of how you are configuring and using the NTP implementation that you have installed. The only "Linux question" is how NTP interacts with the local clock, which is obviously accessed through the kernel. Otherwise, NTP is a userspace service, which is hosted as readily on other operating systems as it is on Linux, that being a mere recompile of the code away. Your assumption is somewhat off; what happens with the "undisciplined local clock" is that if it appears to be the most accurate, it is used. That will tend to take place when lower strata clocks are not available, but the formula for which clocks are considered "most authoritative" mix together a number of considerations, where availability isn't the sole factor. The notable exception would be that if the network connection to get to outside servers is slow, that leads to the outside servers' latency being high, and to them being deprecated in comparison with clocks (such as the local one) that haven't got the latency problem. Determining which clock to treat as the preferred authority *is* deterministic, but is based on a mixture of factors that are considered in aggregate, rather than based on strict rules. The algorithm is described in RFC 5905: > BTW, I use time.nrc.ca, which is a stratum 2 server, for my firewall time > and then use the firewall as a stratum 3 server on my network. My usual NTP configuration is as follows: -> % cat /etc/ntp.conf # local clock, dropped to stratum 10, so it's only "authoritative" under terrible circumstances server 127.127.1.1 fudge 127.127.1.1 stratum 10 # Peer against all all my local hosts. Several no longer exist :-) peer wolfe peer knuth peer godel peer cache peer dantzig peer chvatal peer salesman peer mybook peer nslug peer t43 # Go against 2 entries in the NTP pool server pool.ntp.org server pool.ntp.org In effect, it has 3 layers: a) The local clock, used if nothing else can be found b) peer against all local hosts, so that if *any* of them have authoritative time, this host will accept that c) Pull from 2 outside authoritative sources If b) or c) are the authorities, that will be used to "discipline" the local clock. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 15:22:05 2011 From: el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:22:05 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> <4DCCAC2D.5080201@yahoo.ca> <4DCD4807.3000609@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Mike wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 11:02 AM, James Knott wrote: >> marthter wrote: >>> >>> According to >>> >>> http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/services/inms/time-services/network-time.html >>> >>> >>> ? Note: Starting March 1, 2011, the old *TIME *protocol on port >>> ? 37(RFC-868) will no longer be offered from the NTP servers below. >>> ? However a new time service for the old *TIME *protocol is now >>> ? offered from a new server, *time4.nrc.ca*. Users are encouraged to >>> ? switch to the NTP protocol described below, for a more accurate time >>> ? service. >> >> >> This talk about time servers brings up a question. ?NTP supports using >> multiple servers to obtain best accuracy. ?Does Linux support this? ?I can >> have several NTP servers specified in openSUSE. ?I assume the "undisciplined >> local clock", at the bottom of the list, is used when an external server is >> not available. >> > > Linux distributions typically use the commonly available ntpd daemon, > which supports all this and much more... > > It uses the time server that it determines is the best reference, and > disciplines the *kernel's* clock, which is based on your system's > timer hardware (and ultimately the system's oscillator) as opposed to > any RTC hardware. > And just to be a bit pedantic, ntpd doesn't concurrently use all the servers it tracks. It keeps detailed statistics on them all, but selects the best one to use as its sole reference, until one of the others proves itself better. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 15:42:57 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:42:57 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> <4DCCAC2D.5080201@yahoo.ca> <4DCD4807.3000609@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DCD5181.7090108@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > Determining which clock to treat as the preferred authority*is* > deterministic, but is based on a mixture of factors that are > considered in aggregate, rather than based on strict rules. > I have now added time.chu.nrc.ca to time.nrc as my sources. > # local clock, dropped to stratum 10, so it's only "authoritative" > under terrible circumstances > server 127.127.1.1 > fudge 127.127.1.1 stratum 10 > That was already configured, so I didn't have to do anything. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 16:13:40 2011 From: ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Ori Idan) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 19:13:40 +0300 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> <4DCCAC2D.5080201@yahoo.ca> <4DCD4807.3000609@rogers.com> Message-ID: > > > It uses the time server that it determines is the best reference, and > > disciplines the *kernel's* clock, which is based on your system's > > timer hardware (and ultimately the system's oscillator) as opposed to > > any RTC hardware. > > > > And just to be a bit pedantic, ntpd doesn't concurrently use all the > servers it tracks. It keeps detailed statistics on them all, but > selects the best one to use as its sole reference, until one of the > others proves itself better. > How does it determines what is a good server? -- Ori Idan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 16:33:17 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 12:33:17 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> <4DCCAC2D.5080201@yahoo.ca> <4DCD4807.3000609@rogers.com> Message-ID: If you had one of these controlling your system's RTC, you would only have to sync to a NTP server once every year or so for millisecond accuracy: A bit expensive at the moment, at $1500, but prices will probably come down. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 16:40:32 2011 From: el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 12:40:32 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> <4DCCAC2D.5080201@yahoo.ca> <4DCD4807.3000609@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Scott Allen wrote: > If you had one of these controlling your system's RTC, you would only > have to sync to a NTP server once every year or so for millisecond > accuracy: > > > A bit expensive at the moment, at $1500, but prices will probably come down. > Yes, well... drooling over picoseconds! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 16:43:02 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 12:43:02 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> <4DCCAC2D.5080201@yahoo.ca> <4DCD4807.3000609@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Ori Idan wrote: >> > It uses the time server that it determines is the best reference, and >> > disciplines the *kernel's* clock, which is based on your system's >> > timer hardware (and ultimately the system's oscillator) as opposed to >> > any RTC hardware. >> > >> >> And just to be a bit pedantic, ntpd doesn't concurrently use all the >> servers it tracks. It keeps detailed statistics on them all, but >> selects the best one to use as its sole reference, until one of the >> others proves itself better. > > How does it determines what is a good server? By a computation described in RFC 5905. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 18:10:35 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:10:35 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> <4DCCAC2D.5080201@yahoo.ca> <4DCD4807.3000609@rogers.com> Message-ID: You can get stratum 1 accuracy with a $50 GPS chip and some simple electronics. Does need to be somewhere you can get a GPS sync, though, but that's easier than it used to be. Stewart On 5/13/11, Mike wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Scott Allen wrote: >> If you had one of these controlling your system's RTC, you would only >> have to sync to a NTP server once every year or so for millisecond >> accuracy: >> >> >> A bit expensive at the moment, at $1500, but prices will probably come >> down. >> > > Yes, well... drooling over picoseconds! > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- http://scruss.com/blog/ - 73 de VA3PID -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 18:22:41 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <4DCD3820.2090300-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Ivan Avery Frey | I think it's offered in my area. But I've personally decided not to purchase | this service because it requires Bell Internet. And I don't want to leave | Teksavvy at this time. Fibe is a brand name for I don't know exactly what actual service. It certainly includes FTTN (or in limited locations, FTTH). This makes the last mile faster than pure copper. If Bell offers FTTN to you, the CRTC has ruled that the 3rd party ISPs must be allowed to do so too. I don't know 1) whether Bell has complied with this ruling 2) Teksavvy is willing to offer it to you I seem to remember that the CRTC ruling allowed Bell to charge Teksavy 10% more for FTTN service. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 18:27:36 2011 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:27:36 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> Message-ID: On May 13, 2011 14:22:41 D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Fibe is a brand name for I don't know exactly what actual service. "Fleece the Innocent, Blame the Economy" -- There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marthter-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 18:49:29 2011 From: marthter-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (marthter) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:49:29 -0400 Subject: What time server do you use? In-Reply-To: References: <20110508211526.GA18507@waltdnes.org> <20110511023939.GA2165@waltdnes.org> <4DCA825D.4040208@rogers.com> <4DCCAC2D.5080201@yahoo.ca> <4DCD4807.3000609@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DCD7D39.5060901@yahoo.ca> On 11-05-13 12:43 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Ori Idan wrote: >>>> It uses the time server that it determines is the best reference, and >>>> disciplines the *kernel's* clock, which is based on your system's >>>> timer hardware (and ultimately the system's oscillator) as opposed to >>>> any RTC hardware. >>>> >>> And just to be a bit pedantic, ntpd doesn't concurrently use all the >>> servers it tracks. It keeps detailed statistics on them all, but >>> selects the best one to use as its sole reference, until one of the >>> others proves itself better. >> How does it determines what is a good server? > By a computation described in RFC 5905. If you've installed/enabled your distro's NTP package, then ntpq -p will tell you which servers your machine is consulting, with a * beside the one it is currently considering "best". E.g.: remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ============================================================================== -europium.canoni 193.79.237.14 2 u 22 128 377 106.027 10.964 0.503 +dns1.cmc.ec.gc. 142.3.100.2 2 u 16 128 377 27.601 0.600 1.368 +dns2.cmc.ec.gc. 142.3.100.2 2 u 22 128 377 27.509 0.325 1.059 time.nrc.ca 132.246.11.231 2 u 81 128 377 32.563 0.233 0.556 *tic.nrc.ca .PPS. 1 u 13 128 377 32.000 0.449 1.157 +toc.nrc.ca .PPS. 1 u 78 128 377 32.575 0.064 1.868 remote: the server name refid: which up-stratum server (or timekeeping method - radio/GPS/atomic/etc) this server is using st: stratum (lower means closer to "true time" sources like atomic clocks) when: how long ago (in seconds) that server was last checked for "the current time" poll: how long (in seconds) between each scheduled check to that server reach: octal bitmap (0 to 377) of success of last 8 checks to that server delay: how long (in milliseconds) a check to that server takes (not sure if this is an average or most recent; this should be roughly comparable to your ping time to it) offset: how far "wrong" (in milliseconds) your clock is compared to that server jitter: how far wrong the wrongness varies from check to check (non-expert's interpretation! - can't tell from the man page if this is in milliseconds or microseconds) It seems tic.nrc.ca and toc.nrc.ca are stratum 1 servers and not really published to the public (but not blocked to public access either). The one mentioned on their web site, time.nrc.ca (stratum 2), should probably be used instead. Note, when people are saying the local computer clock gets "disciplined" by the algorithm, I think that means it is gradually corrected ("slewed") by miniscule amounts at a time, and/or that if it sees that your clock is routinely 2 ms slow per day, it routinely corrects for that. If it sees an offset of -95 ms to your next "best" server, you don't just want it to instantly correct your clock by -95 ms because after the next check of that server (due to network delays, jitter, and your own computer clock's inaccuracies) you could be detecting a different offset of +51 ms. If your machine is scheduling any processes so precisely, you could be missing process start times, or going too long between two processes. In between checks, you are just on an island running with your own computer's clock, which has some oscillator with errors of its own, it could have temperature-based variability, voltage-based variability, karma-based variability. And if the upstream guy was doing lurching corrections, it would throw off calculations of how far off everyone else thought their own clock was between checks. The algorithms are aimed at getting things to gradually converge to "the one true time" with as much precision and accuracy as their hardware and interconnections will allow. At the (potential) levels of precision and accuracy that this provides, you have to remember that every measurement has some sort of error in it, so every "answer" and output (and input to the next iteration) has some uncertainty. If you just want "the second hand" on your computer's clock to be about right, to start your mythtv shows on time, or your log file entries to be correlate-able between servers ("I got an e-mail bounce at 5:43:21 today, what was the web server sending at that time?"), and similar everyday purposes, I'd say you only need to configure one server and don't need to care about what stratum it is; your distro's defaults (after you just turn on NTP) are probably just fine. Cheers. Martin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri May 13 22:03:14 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 18:03:14 -0400 Subject: How to replace a hard drive... SOLVED In-Reply-To: <1305240757.2049.11.camel-p7aX53JaVWoe/2IRKz1ZWdih8TpMrEp6psu3eQ5ks+k5UWNf+nJyDw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110504222505.GB17319@amber> <20110506131806.GA30490@amber> <20110512163945.GA18891@amber> <1305240757.2049.11.camel@worthil.roaming.operationaldynamics.com> Message-ID: <20110513220314.GA23728@amber> On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 12:39 -0400, Peter King wrote: > > > the new disk, and installed grub manually. All seemed to go well. Reboot, and the new disk > > is seen by the BIOS; it finds grub on the MBR and loads it; I select a kernel and start to > > boot up -- by this time I'm starting to think it will work -- and then, after it correctly > > finds my keyboard, it just, well, stops. Nothing. No drive activity, no indication of life. Problem solved. I had mirrored the original drive while it was mounted, rather than when it was unmounted. Today I booted sysresccd and mirrored it while it was unmounted and it booted up without any hiccups. I suppose there was some "live" information in /dev or /sys or /proc or the like that was inconsistent for a system at bootup, which caused the problem. But that seems to have been the cause. And here I thought that the advice to copy content while unmounted was like the advice to wear an antistatic wristband... -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This > makes the last mile faster than pure copper. > > If Bell offers FTTN to you, the CRTC has ruled that the 3rd party ISPs > must be allowed to do so too. I don't know > 1) whether Bell has complied with this ruling > 2) Teksavvy is willing to offer it to you > > I seem to remember that the CRTC ruling allowed Bell to charge Teksavy > 10% more for FTTN service. There is Bell Fibe TV and Bell Fibe Internet. According to my promotional materials both services are required. It appears that to get Bell Fibe TV, I will have to get Bell Fibe Internet. Ooops. I think it's the advertised price for Bell Fibe TV which requires the subscription to Bell Fibe Internet. Reading Bell's fine print, I can understand the populist animosity towards lawyers in our society. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat May 14 04:55:53 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 00:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <4DCE017F.4020403-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <4DCE017F.4020403@gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Ivan Avery Frey | Reading Bell's fine print, I can understand the populist animosity towards | lawyers in our society. In at least some of the ads they send me, the fine print is on the reverse, in print so small that it is hard for me to read. Could that be intentional? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Sat May 14 05:13:24 2011 From: ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Ori Idan) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 08:13:24 +0300 Subject: Meeting in june In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, I am a Linux user and activist from Israel. Me and my wife are in the process of immigrating to Canada. I would like to get to know Linux users from Canada. We will be visiting family in Canada in June and I will be happy to come to your meeting in June 14th. >From the wiki it seems that no speaker has come up yet for this meeting, therefore I would like to offer a talk about Linux users groups in Israel and Linux translation to Hebrew. The Hebrew language in addition to using a different character set, is written from right to left. All these impose few problems to users who hardly speak English. I will also try to demonstrate common Linux software working in Hebrew. Would you be interested in hearing such a talk? -- Ori Idan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Sat May 14 05:14:16 2011 From: ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Ori Idan) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 08:14:16 +0300 Subject: GTALUG talk in June In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I sent this mail to the general mailing list before I knew about this address so I am sending here also (sorry for the cross posting) I am a Linux user and activist from Israel. Me and my wife are in the process of immigrating to Canada. I would like to get to know Linux users from Canada. We will be visiting family in Canada in June and I will be happy to come to your meeting in June 14th. >From the wiki it seems that no speaker has come up yet for this meeting, therefore I would like to offer a talk about Linux users groups in Israel and Linux translation to Hebrew. The Hebrew language in addition to using a different character set, is written from right to left. All these impose few problems to users who hardly speak English. I will also try to demonstrate common Linux software working in Hebrew. Would you be interested in hearing such a talk? -- Ori Idan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat May 14 05:17:22 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 01:17:22 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <4DCE017F.4020403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DCE1062.9010500@gmail.com> On 14/05/11 0:55, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Ivan Avery Frey > > | Reading Bell's fine print, I can understand the populist animosity towards > | lawyers in our society. > > In at least some of the ads they send me, the fine print is on the > reverse, in print so small that it is hard for me to read. Could that > be intentional? Is that a rhetorical question? ;-) Yeah, it's hard for me to read it too, especially at the end of the day. My advancing years are not helping any either. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat May 14 19:26:12 2011 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 15:26:12 -0400 Subject: nvidia-common package problem In-Reply-To: <20110509161611.GG21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110509161611.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 9 May 2011 12:16, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, May 08, 2011 at 07:33:09AM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: >> I'm running Debian amd64 testing on a Core 2 system with an Nvidia >> GeForce 8400 GS video card. ?I'm using the nvidia proprietary driver >> (although switching to the nouveau driver is looking like a better and >> better idea ... does it do dual head?). ?Whenever I try to do a system >> upgrade ("aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade") it hangs on the >> nvidia-common package, as below: >> >> # aptitude install nvidia-common >> The following packages will be upgraded: >> ? nvidia-common >> 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 352 not upgraded. >> Need to get 13.3 kB of archives. After unpacking 12.3 kB will be used. >> Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] >> Get:1 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/contrib nvidia-common >> amd64 20110426+1 [13.3 kB] >> Fetched 13.3 kB in 0s (19.4 kB/s) >> Preconfiguring packages ... >> dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 12505 >> package 'nvidiabinaryblob': >> ?error in Version string 'pkg2-1': version number does not start with digit > > Somehow you have got a corruption in the dpkg available file. ?If you open > it, and delete the package around line 12505 it should be happy again. ?Save a backup first. > >> (Reading database ... 196539 files and directories currently installed.) >> Preparing to replace nvidia-common 20110213+1 (using >> .../nvidia-common_20110426+1_amd64.deb) ... >> Unpacking replacement nvidia-common ... >> Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... >> dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): >> ?subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 >> configured to not write apport reports >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Errors were encountered while processing: >> ?nvidia-common >> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) >> A package failed to install. ?Trying to recover: >> Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... >> dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): >> ?subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 >> Errors were encountered while processing: >> ?nvidia-common >> >> >> I tried again: >> >> >> # aptitude install nvidia-common >> The following partially installed packages will be configured: >> ? nvidia-common >> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. >> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 352 not upgraded. >> Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. >> Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... >> dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): >> ?subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 >> configured to not write apport reports >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Errors were encountered while processing: >> ?nvidia-common >> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) >> A package failed to install. ?Trying to recover: >> Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... >> dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): >> ?subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 >> Errors were encountered while processing: >> ?nvidia-common >> >> >> Since this is failing, any number of other packages are refusing to >> install as well because aptitude insists on attempting to install >> nvidia-common first. ?Also, several packages that require >> nvidia-specific drivers ("hugin" and "k3b" at least) are currently >> failing to work. ?I rely on both these programs, so suggestions would >> be greatly appreciated. ?Thanks. > > The problem is the dpkg available file has a syntax error, so now dpkg > won't do some things. I tried deleting just the lines related to nvidia-common in the available file, but that didn't fix it. So I purged nvidia-common and deleted the available file entirely, but that made dpkg unhappy. So I ran "dpkg --clear-avail" and ran "aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade". Somewhere in the mess of output, I got this: Setting up nvidia-common (20110426+1) ... dpkg: error processing nvidia-common (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 30 configured to not write apport reports Errors were encountered while processing: nvidia-common E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: And afterward it said: Current status: 504 updates [-115], 30537 new [-1]. I'm really stumped as to what to do at this point. Any further suggestions? -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sat May 14 21:12:02 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 17:12:02 -0400 Subject: Desktop hardware recommendation Message-ID: I went back to look for one of the 'what would Lennart Do?' posts on the list and the last one I found was from a couple of years ago. If someone were in the market for a solid performing system for $500 - $600 today, what would be the quality hardware? I'm already sold on Western Digital for storage and NVidia for graphics. I know Asus motherboards are generally solid, but don't know what would be a current favourite. I'm assuming the Intel Core I7 processors are a good choice? -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat May 14 22:21:14 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 18:21:14 -0400 Subject: CPCC applies for music tax on memory cards Message-ID: <20110514222114.GA5589@waltdnes.org> I've already sent this off to the co-ordinator of a camera club I belong to. I figure that this group has more than its fair share of geeks with tablets and smartphones that use memory cards. Guess what, some musicians' cooperative has applied to the Copyright Board for a tax^H^H^H^ levy on memory cards. A proposal that would hit camera users in the wallet. The CPCC, a musicians group http://www.cpcc.ca/english/index.htm has applied to the Copyright Board to impose a tax (They say "it's not a tax, it's a levy") on memory cards. This is because memory cards might conceivably be used to hold copied music. Their primary use is for cameras, both DSLR and in cellphones and tablets. See articles at... http://excesscopyright.blogspot.com/2011/05/taxing-canadians-patience-and.html and http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5798/125/ We should all contact our MPs and not only oppose the current application, but ask for legislative repeal of the process that allows this application in the first place. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun May 15 01:54:17 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 21:54:17 -0400 Subject: CPCC applies for music tax on memory cards In-Reply-To: <20110514222114.GA5589-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110514222114.GA5589@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4DCF3249.7090705@rogers.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > I've already sent this off to the co-ordinator of a camera club I > belong to. I figure that this group has more than its fair share of > geeks with tablets and smartphones that use memory cards. Guess what, > some musicians' cooperative has applied to the Copyright Board for a > tax^H^H^H^ levy on memory cards. > > A proposal that would hit camera users in the wallet. The CPCC, a > musicians group http://www.cpcc.ca/english/index.htm has applied to the > Copyright Board to impose a tax (They say "it's not a tax, it's a levy") > on memory cards. This is because memory cards might conceivably be used > to hold copied music. Their primary use is for cameras, both DSLR and > in cellphones and tablets. See articles at... > http://excesscopyright.blogspot.com/2011/05/taxing-canadians-patience-and.html > and http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5798/125/ > > We should all contact our MPs and not only oppose the current > application, but ask for legislative repeal of the process that allows > this application in the first place. > > I do use memory cards to hold music, but it's music I've already paid for when I bought CDs. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun May 15 04:17:29 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 00:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CPCC applies for music tax on memory cards In-Reply-To: <4DCF3249.7090705-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110514222114.GA5589@waltdnes.org> <4DCF3249.7090705@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: James Knott | I do use memory cards to hold music, but it's music I've already paid for when | I bought CDs. There's a problem in the system. The copyright act allows "private copying" from sources that the copier doesn't own. The levy (currently on blank CDs and audio tape) is meant to compensate/balance this. My internal "fairness" meter says that private copying should be limited to sources that the copier owns (eg. purchased MP3s, CDs, etc.). Then there would be no need for the levy. Enforcing this is not easy. (DRM systems go part way, but I hate them because of the damage they inflict.) The levy made some kind of sense when one album consumed one tape or CD. Now, with compression, the minutes of music copied onto a medium can be astronomical (eg. 100 MP3s easily fit on a CD). Scaling the levy up accordingly would be unworkable. Extending it to SD cards would be even more unreasonable. I am annoyed because I pay the levy on blank CDs even though I almost never use them for private copying of music. But that is part of the rough justice of the system. BTW, I find the way music is treated differently from other kinds of works is interesting and troubling. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun May 15 11:50:11 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 07:50:11 -0400 Subject: CPCC applies for music tax on memory cards In-Reply-To: References: <20110514222114.GA5589@waltdnes.org> <4DCF3249.7090705@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DCFBDF3.2050107@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I am annoyed because I pay the levy on blank CDs even though I almost > never use them for private copying of music. But that is part of the > rough justice of the system. > I have also copied CDs for use in my car. Again it's from CDs that I bought and paid for, so with CD copies I'm paying twice thanks to that levy. Now they want me to pay a 3rd time because I've made MP3s and OGGs for use on my smart phone? Also, I have a few songs that I paid HMV for to download to those exact same memory cards they want to put that levy on. It seems to me those levies punish the people who are already buying music. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sun May 15 13:22:32 2011 From: phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 09:22:32 -0400 Subject: CPCC applies for music tax on memory cards In-Reply-To: References: <20110514222114.GA5589@waltdnes.org> <4DCF3249.7090705@rogers.com> Message-ID: <8AABFD35-301B-49CC-832D-E80785033600@acm.org> On 2011-05-15, at 12:17 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I am annoyed because I pay the levy on blank CDs even though I almost > never use them for private copying of music. I can echo that but with a bit of a twist. As a mostly-amateur musician I find it particularly annoying when virtually all of my musical uses of blank CDs are for storing or distributing my own music. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun May 15 14:09:12 2011 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:09:12 -0400 Subject: CPCC applies for music tax on memory cards In-Reply-To: <8AABFD35-301B-49CC-832D-E80785033600-HInyCGIudOg@public.gmane.org> References: <20110514222114.GA5589@waltdnes.org> <8AABFD35-301B-49CC-832D-E80785033600@acm.org> Message-ID: On May 15, 2011 09:22:32 Phillip Mills wrote: > On 2011-05-15, at 12:17 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > > I am annoyed because I pay the levy on blank CDs even though I almost > > never use them for private copying of music. > > I can echo that but with a bit of a twist. As a mostly-amateur musician I find it particularly annoying when virtually all of my musical uses of blank CDs are for storing or distributing my own music. > I too find it annoying that I have to play some musician (who I probably never heard of) for permission to back up my financial data. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Sun May 15 14:22:28 2011 From: ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Ori Idan) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 17:22:28 +0300 Subject: CPCC applies for music tax on memory cards In-Reply-To: References: <20110514222114.GA5589@waltdnes.org> <8AABFD35-301B-49CC-832D-E80785033600@acm.org> Message-ID: On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Gary Layng wrote: > On May 15, 2011 09:22:32 Phillip Mills wrote: > > On 2011-05-15, at 12:17 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > > > > I am annoyed because I pay the levy on blank CDs even though I almost > > > never use them for private copying of music. > > > > I can echo that but with a bit of a twist. As a mostly-amateur musician > I find it particularly annoying when virtually all of my musical uses of > blank CDs are for storing or distributing my own music. > > > I too find it annoying that I have to play some musician (who I probably > never heard of) for permission to back up my financial data. > The question is what musician actually get paid? I guess that the musicians hardly see anything of it, only the record companies. -- Ori Idan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Sun May 15 11:31:10 2011 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 07:31:10 -0400 Subject: CPCC applies for music tax on memory cards In-Reply-To: References: <20110514222114.GA5589@waltdnes.org> <8AABFD35-301B-49CC-832D-E80785033600@acm.org> Message-ID: <4DCFB97E.2070900@linuxcaffe.ca> On 15/05/11 10:22 AM, Ori Idan wrote: > The question is what musician actually get paid? > I guess that the musicians hardly see anything of it, only the record > companies. Musicians are paid on the basis of airplay frequency, so that the musicians "on the charts" get the dough, while everyone else gets to go fly a kite. This is the music industry using the legal system to subsidize their operations, sweetening the deal for their top artists. It is beyond unfair, and rewards those who don't need it, at the expense of those who do. Robin Hood-in-reverse, as usual. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun May 15 15:15:47 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 11:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CPCC applies for music tax on memory cards In-Reply-To: <4DCFB97E.2070900-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <20110514222114.GA5589@waltdnes.org> <8AABFD35-301B-49CC-832D-E80785033600@acm.org> <4DCFB97E.2070900@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: | From: David J Patrick | Musicians are paid on the basis of airplay frequency, so that the musicians | "on the charts" get the dough, while everyone else gets to go fly a kite. Actually, it seems as if the proportions are based on equal weighting of airplay on commercial stations (a nasty bias) and sales sample "based in SoundScan Data" (which covers "91% of all record sales in Canada"). I don't disagree with your point, I just try to be completely accurate about the way it works. I find that the proportion going to publishers and record companies a bit odd (high). Mind you, the download breakdowns are really odd too. I seem to remember that Wierd Al talked about how much he got for his backlist and it was horrible. Remember how little function the publishers and record companies have in this new world. The question is: what model should we have to reward various folks in the music business, past and present? The levy has some nice features, especially when a lot of the alternatives are DRM-based. I just don't see how to make it workable. BTW, nothing released with sufficiently restrictive DRM should count in a survey for dividing up the levy pie: it isn't being being made available for copying. One fascinating distortion: only Canadian stuff gets levy payouts (the actual rules are a bit more intricate than that). That would change if other countries agreed to a levy system that covered Canadians. The Copyright Act identifies the general types of copyright holder on whose behalf private copying royalties are collected and which are eligible for payment. Songwriters, music publishers, recording artists and record companies ? those with rights in the music copied ? are all eligible. While songwriters and music publishers are eligible regardless of nationality, only Canadian recording artists and record companies may receive payments under current law. See also From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Sun May 15 19:18:54 2011 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 15:18:54 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> On May 13, 2011, at 14:22, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > If Bell offers FTTN to you, the CRTC has ruled that the 3rd party ISPs > must be allowed to do so too. I don't know > 1) whether Bell has complied with this ruling > 2) Teksavvy is willing to offer it to you I've been asking Teksavvy when, and they've been very non-commital. My current Teksavvy service is substandard. I'm honestly thinking of switching to Bell (even though they are probably partly responsible for my Teksavvy problems, and more-importantly to me, they don't seem to do fixed-IP). My down-speed is reasonable, but my up speed is typically 1/4 of what's promised. > I seem to remember that the CRTC ruling allowed Bell to charge Teksavy > 10% more for FTTN service. I'd happily pay a premium to get faster service. ../Dave-- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun May 15 19:56:26 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 15:56:26 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Dave Mason wrote: > I've been asking Teksavvy when, and they've been very non-commital. My > current Teksavvy service is substandard. I'm honestly thinking of switching > to Bell > > I'd tell them that. After an episode of uselessly slow connections via Teksavvy, I told them I was dissatisfied. They ran diagnostics, and found that - ever since I got DSL in 2002 - I've been connected to the wrong exchange. They got Bell to fix it, and now I'm getting the speed I'm paying for. Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ - 73 de VA3PID -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm honestly thinking of switching to Bell (even though they are probably partly responsible for my Teksavvy problems, and more-importantly to me, they don't seem to do fixed-IP). My down-speed is reasonable, but my up speed is typically 1/4 of what's promised. > >> I seem to remember that the CRTC ruling allowed Bell to charge Teksavy >> 10% more for FTTN service. > > I'd happily pay a premium to get faster service. If you can get cable from them, you won't regret it. Price is almost the same as DSL, with no Bell shenanigans. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 01:06:17 2011 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 01:06:17 +0000 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <4DD07028.1040603-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca>,<4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: > Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 20:30:32 -0400 > From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? > > On 05/15/2011 03:18 PM, Dave Mason wrote: > > > > On May 13, 2011, at 14:22, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > > >> If Bell offers FTTN to you, the CRTC has ruled that the 3rd party ISPs > >> must be allowed to do so too. I don't know > >> 1) whether Bell has complied with this ruling > >> 2) Teksavvy is willing to offer it to you > > > > I've been asking Teksavvy when, and they've been very non-commital. My current Teksavvy service is substandard. I'm honestly thinking of switching to Bell (even though they are probably partly responsible for my Teksavvy problems, and more-importantly to me, they don't seem to do fixed-IP). My down-speed is reasonable, but my up speed is typically 1/4 of what's promised. > > > >> I seem to remember that the CRTC ruling allowed Bell to charge Teksavy > >> 10% more for FTTN service. > > > > I'd happily pay a premium to get faster service. > > If you can get cable from them, you won't regret it. Price is almost the > same as DSL, with no Bell shenanigans. So instead you get Rogers shenanigans? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 01:28:32 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 21:28:32 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca>,<4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4DD07DC0.8070905@utoronto.ca> On 05/15/2011 09:06 PM, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > So instead you get Rogers shenanigans? No traffic shaping if that's what you mean. Near static IP, no blocked ports. Speed is better than advertised too. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 01:52:57 2011 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 01:52:57 +0000 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <4DD07DC0.8070905-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca>,<4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> ,<4DD07DC0.8070905@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: > Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 21:28:32 -0400 > From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? > > On 05/15/2011 09:06 PM, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > So instead you get Rogers shenanigans? > > No traffic shaping if that's what you mean. Near static IP, no blocked > ports. Speed is better than advertised too. No competitors allowed (until recently and still very limited), blocked smtp ports (same as Bell), subscribers kicked out for having server ports open. 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URL: From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 02:25:45 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 22:25:45 -0400 Subject: GTALUG talk in June In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Ori Idan wrote: > Hello, > I sent this mail to the general mailing list before I knew about this > address so I am sending here also (sorry for the cross posting) > > I am a Linux user and activist from Israel. > Me and my wife are in the process of immigrating to Canada. > I would like to get to know Linux users from Canada. > We will be visiting family in Canada in?June?and I will be happy to come to > your meeting in June 14th. > From the wiki it seems that no speaker has come up yet for this meeting, > therefore I would like to offer a talk about Linux users groups in Israel > and Linux translation to Hebrew. > The?Hebrew language?in addition to using a different character set, is > written from right to left.?All these impose few problems to users who > hardly speak?English. > I will also try to demonstrate common?Linux?software working in Hebrew. > Would you be interested in hearing such a talk? This sounds great, we would love to hear your talk. So, two questions for you: - How would you like your talk described on the gtalug.org wiki (which will be used as the basis for the meeting announcement)? - Do you want/need a video projector for your talk (we can arrange for one very easily but need to know in advance)? Again thanks. Colin McGregor > -- > Ori Idan > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 05:17:17 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 01:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca>,<4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: | From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org | > If you can get cable from them, you won't regret it. Price is almost the | > same as DSL, with no Bell shenanigans. | | So instead you get Rogers shenanigans? As I understand it, more is shared with cable than with ADSL. In theory that means that things like traffic shaping on ADSL could vary by ISP (but Bell has chosen not to do that) whereas it is likely traffic shaping policies need to be the same for all ISPs. Rogers does (did?) do traffic shaping. Certainly my bittorrent upstream rates were horrible. (I only use bittorrent for Linux CDs, so it cannot be to fight copyright violations.) I felt more ethical using bittorrent than straight downloading, but I don't generally bother with BT any more unless forced. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 12:16:33 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 08:16:33 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca>,<4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4DD115A1.7080107@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > As I understand it, more is shared with cable than with ADSL. In > theory that means that things like traffic shaping on ADSL could vary > by ISP (but Bell has chosen not to do that) whereas it is likely > traffic shaping policies need to be the same for all ISPs. > The main difference is that the local connection is not shared with ADSL. Once you hit the DSLAM everything is shared, as with any other connection method. That said, when testing with "speedtest" (actually bandwidth) sites, I always get close to the advertised rate. On the other hand, ADSL performance is very dependent on distance from the DSLAM and cable quality and as as result sold as "up to", but very often not met. Another advantage with Rogers is the IP address is virtually static and the host name is constant, as it's determined by cable modem and computer/firewall MAC addresses. However, this results in a very long host name, so I use an alias on a DNS server to give it an easy to remember name on my own domain. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 14:01:33 2011 From: ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Ori Idan) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:01:33 +0300 Subject: GTALUG talk in June In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Ori Idan wrote: > > Hello, > > I sent this mail to the general mailing list before I knew about this > > address so I am sending here also (sorry for the cross posting) > > > > I am a Linux user and activist from Israel. > > Me and my wife are in the process of immigrating to Canada. > > I would like to get to know Linux users from Canada. > > We will be visiting family in Canada in June and I will be happy to come > to > > your meeting in June 14th. > > From the wiki it seems that no speaker has come up yet for this meeting, > > therefore I would like to offer a talk about Linux users groups in Israel > > and Linux translation to Hebrew. > > The Hebrew language in addition to using a different character set, is > > written from right to left. All these impose few problems to users who > > hardly speak English. > > I will also try to demonstrate common Linux software working in Hebrew. > > Would you be interested in hearing such a talk? > > This sounds great, we would love to hear your talk. So, two questions for > you: > > - How would you like your talk described on the gtalug.org wiki (which > will be used as the basis for the meeting announcement)? > - Do you want/need a video projector for your talk (we can arrange for > one very easily but need to know in advance)? > > Again thanks. > > Colin McGregor > > Thank you, I will be happy to have a video projector as I will prepare a presentation (LibreOffice presentation) and probably show some examples of Linux software in Hebrew. I will bring my netbook (running Ubuntu 11.04) I guess it would not be a problem to connect it to the projector. As for the description in the wiki I would like something like: ?Topic: Linux Development and Linux groups in Israel Description: Israel as a leading in HiTech industry includes evolving groups of Linux Users. These groups have to deal with exceptional and unique needs which are relevant to this area. In this talk I will speak about LUG's in Israel and their activities. A little bit about the history of Linux in Israel. I will also explain about the Hebrew language and the challenge it introduces to both software and websites. -- Ori Idan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 14:33:15 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:33:15 -0400 Subject: Swapping Drive Message-ID: <4DD135AB.3000306@rogers.com> I have a failing hard drive that is a single partition that just contains my home directory. When the drive started to act up I used: usermod -d /path/to/new/homedir/ username to switch my user data to a good drive. Now do I need to do anything more than: 1) Power down computer 2) Remove bad drive 3) Install good drive 4) Use GParted to format and install 5) Mount as home direcotry 6) Use usermod again Or will booting without a /home directory cause problems? Thanks Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 14:44:09 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 07:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Swapping Drive In-Reply-To: <4DD135AB.3000306-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DD135AB.3000306@rogers.com> Message-ID: <961716.33669.qm@web113420.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Or will booting without a /home directory cause problems? You can boot without /home. Just login as 'root' and edit /etc/passwd and /etc/fstab. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 16:37:45 2011 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:37:45 -0400 Subject: Red Hat Cluster Service 2 Tutorial Message-ID: <4DD152D9.4080700@ss.org> For those interested in Clustering, Madison Kelly has published her Red Hat Cluster Service 2 Tutorial [1] as a final document. Some of you might remember the talk she gave on the subject this month last year [2]. [1]: http://wiki.alteeve.com/index.php/Red_Hat_Cluster_Service_2_Tutorial [2]: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Meetings:2010-05 -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 17:07:07 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:07:07 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <4DD07028.1040603-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 08:30:32PM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > If you can get cable from them, you won't regret it. Price is almost the > same as DSL, with no Bell shenanigans. Cable = no fixed IP. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 17:30:17 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:30:17 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <20110516170707.GT21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DD15F29.9060406@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 08:30:32PM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > >> If you can get cable from them, you won't regret it. Price is almost the >> same as DSL, with no Bell shenanigans. >> > Cable = no fixed IP. > > On Rogers, while DHCP is used, the address changes so seldom, it's virtually static. The host name is constant, being based on hardware MAC addresses. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 17:30:46 2011 From: ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Ori Idan) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:30:46 +0300 Subject: GTALUG talk in June In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Ori Idan wrote: > > Hello, > > I sent this mail to the general mailing list before I knew about this > > address so I am sending here also (sorry for the cross posting) > > > > I am a Linux user and activist from Israel. > > Me and my wife are in the process of immigrating to Canada. > > I would like to get to know Linux users from Canada. > > We will be visiting family in Canada in?June?and I will be happy to come to > > your meeting in June 14th. > > From the wiki it seems that no speaker has come up yet for this meeting, > > therefore I would like to offer a talk about Linux users groups in Israel > > and Linux translation to Hebrew. > > The?Hebrew language?in addition to using a different character set, is > > written from right to left.?All these impose few problems to users who > > hardly speak?English. > > I will also try to demonstrate common?Linux?software working in Hebrew. > > Would you be interested in hearing such a talk? > > This sounds great, we would love to hear your talk. So, two questions for you: > > - How would you like your talk described on the gtalug.org wiki (which > will be used as the basis for the meeting announcement)? > - Do you want/need a video projector for your talk (we can arrange for > one very easily but need to know in advance)? > > Again thanks. > > Colin McGregor > Thank you, I will be happy to have a video projector as I will prepare a presentation (LibreOffice presentation) and probably show some examples of Linux software in?Hebrew. I will bring my netbook (running Ubuntu 11.04) I guess it would not be a problem to connect it to the projector. As for the description in the wiki I would like something like: ?Topic: Linux Development and Linux groups in Israel Description: Israel as a leading in HiTech industry includes evolving groups of Linux Users. These groups have to deal with?exceptional?and unique needs which are relevant to this area. In this talk I will speak about?LUG's in Israel and their activities. A little bit about the history of Linux in Israel. I will also explain about the Hebrew language and the?challenge?it introduces to both software and websites. -- Ori Idan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 18:14:03 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:14:03 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <4DD15F29.9060406-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD15F29.9060406@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110516181403.GB10493@amber> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 01:30:17PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > On Rogers, while DHCP is used, the address changes so seldom, it's > virtually static. The host name is constant, being based on hardware > MAC addresses. I've had the very same IP address from Rogers for up to 15 months at a stretch, and usually for longer than 8 months each time. It's so constant that whenever it does change I'm usually taken off-guard by it. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 19:44:17 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 15:44:17 -0400 Subject: Desktop hardware recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110516194417.GU21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 05:12:02PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > I went back to look for one of the 'what would Lennart Do?' posts on > the list and the last one I found was from a couple of years ago. If > someone were in the market for a solid performing system for $500 - > $600 today, what would be the quality hardware? > > I'm already sold on Western Digital for storage and NVidia for > graphics. I know Asus motherboards are generally solid, but don't know > what would be a current favourite. I'm assuming the Intel Core I7 > processors are a good choice? Sure, but not if you want a $500 machine. :) The current issues with the Sandy Bridge based CPUs is a bit of a concern. You can find a GTX460 card for around $150 (the 560 is a bit over $200). A core i5-2400 is $200. Asus P8P67 boards range from the LE at $135 to the Pro (which supports SLI) at $185 (there is an EVO at $200 but I think that's all about overclocking). The P8Z68 is another line, but looks more highend in orientation. Add a bit of ram, some cheap case you like, and a decent power supply, some HD, and you can probably squeeze in around $600 (+ tax). Aiming for $800 always gives a way better result than trying to cut everything down to $500. The machines advertised for $399 are complete obsolete crap with every corner possible cut. In many cases you can double or tripple almost any feature in them for $50. $500 would require buying leftover obsolete stuff, which is an option. There are still a few LGA775 chips out there, DDR2 ram, etc. I wouldn't. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 20:04:26 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:04:26 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <20110516181403.GB10493@amber> References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD15F29.9060406@rogers.com> <20110516181403.GB10493@amber> Message-ID: <4DD1834A.7010505@rogers.com> Peter King wrote: > Mind you, > I leave my connection up 24/7. > IIRC, DHCP leases on Rogers are 7 days. This means that so long as you connect at least once a week, you'll likely retain the same address. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 20:29:54 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:29:54 -0400 Subject: Desktop hardware recommendation In-Reply-To: <20110516194417.GU21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110516194417.GU21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: I used Lennart advise on power supply and it was really good advise! i built a I7 2.8ghz box, and OC it to 4.4 ghz on rampage III. (stable at about 4.1 long term, 4.4 requires voltage settings i didn't feel comfortable with). Only issue is, it's sata6 doesn't seem supported, but may be supported in kernel now. (i bought a sata6 flash HD, only running at sata3). My only advise is given insane over clocking of i7, be aware of the cheap extra ghz you can get if you get a quality rig. Your $/ghz may be a LOT better if you spend just a bit more .. i.e. a store i7 is going to really sux given whats you can achieve with the right mobo and ram. Oh, hiber/sleep not so good yet (again not most recent kernel) but i don't use it. I'd say if you need hiber/sleep functionality your search for a bleeding edge good system just got more complicated. tl On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 05:12:02PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: >> I went back to look for one of the 'what would Lennart Do?' posts on >> the list and the last one I found was from a couple of years ago. If >> someone were in the market for a solid performing system for $500 - >> $600 today, what would be the quality hardware? >> >> I'm already sold on Western Digital for storage and NVidia for >> graphics. I know Asus motherboards are generally solid, but don't know >> what would be a current favourite. I'm assuming the Intel Core I7 >> processors are a good choice? > > Sure, but not if you want a $500 machine. :) > > The current issues with the Sandy Bridge based CPUs is a bit of a concern. > > You can find a GTX460 card for around $150 (the 560 is a bit over $200). > A core i5-2400 is $200. > Asus P8P67 boards range from the LE at $135 to the Pro (which supports > SLI) at $185 (there is an EVO at $200 but I think that's all about > overclocking). > The P8Z68 is another line, but looks more highend in orientation. > Add a bit of ram, some cheap case you like, and a decent power supply, > some HD, and you can probably squeeze in around $600 (+ tax). ?Aiming for > $800 always gives a way better result than trying to cut everything down > to $500. ?The machines advertised for $399 are complete obsolete crap > with every corner possible cut. ?In many cases you can double or tripple > almost any feature in them for $50. > > $500 would require buying leftover obsolete stuff, which is an option. > There are still a few LGA775 chips out there, DDR2 ram, etc. ?I wouldn't. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 22:26:05 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:26:05 -0400 Subject: Desktop hardware recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <20110516194417.GU21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110516222605.GV21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 04:29:54PM -0400, ted leslie wrote: > I used Lennart advise on power supply and it was really good advise! > i built a I7 2.8ghz box, and OC it to 4.4 ghz on rampage III. (stable > at about 4.1 long term, 4.4 requires voltage settings i didn't feel > comfortable with). 4.4GHz? Sheesh. Is 2.8GHz the 930? On the other hand: processor : 0 cpu : POWER6 (raw), altivec supported clock : 4204.000000MHz revision : 3.1 (pvr 003e 0301) That's stock speed, and the slowest model there was. There are two cores with two threads each. The price of the box has 5 digits, but fortunately the first digit was only a 1. The second digit was a bit higher. They don't make them anymore as far as I know. > Only issue is, it's sata6 doesn't seem supported, but may be supported > in kernel now. (i bought a sata6 flash HD, only running at sata3). > My only advise is given insane over clocking of i7, be aware of the > cheap extra ghz you can get if you get a quality rig. > Your $/ghz may be a LOT better if you spend just a bit more .. i.e. a > store i7 is going to really sux given whats you can achieve with the > right mobo and ram. I noticed recently that the Core i7 920 is still almost as much as it was when I bought one 2 years ago. I had expected it to get cheaper in the meantime. The higher end i7 9xx models have dropped in price as faster models came in, but the bottom model (as much as a 2.66GHz quad core with HT can be a bottom model) is almost the same price as it originally released at. > Oh, hiber/sleep not so good yet (again not most recent kernel) but i > don't use it. I'd say if you need hiber/sleep functionality your > search for a bleeding edge good system just > got more complicated. Yeah sleep can be tricky. I am always amazed that it simply works on my lenovo thinkpad SL500. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 23:33:54 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 19:33:54 -0400 Subject: Desktop hardware recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DD1B462.8050807@utoronto.ca> On 5/14/2011 5:12 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > I went back to look for one of the 'what would Lennart Do?' posts on > the list and the last one I found was from a couple of years ago. If > someone were in the market for a solid performing system for $500 - > $600 today, what would be the quality hardware? > > I'm already sold on Western Digital for storage and NVidia for > graphics. I know Asus motherboards are generally solid, but don't know > what would be a current favourite. I'm assuming the Intel Core I7 > processors are a good choice? An i7 based system around 600 isn't going to take advantage of the processor imo. I doubt you'll find a decent i7 for less than $225, add a motherboard and that's over $300 for a reasonable Asus board. An i5 would likely be more appropriate. Personal preference is AMD chips, but that's me. My current system consists of: Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Patriot 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz Vertex 2 SATA II 2.5" 60GB (SSD for root filesystem) WD Caviar Black 1000GB, 7200RPM (a couple) OCZ ModXStream Pro 650W PSU Gigabyte ATI Radeon 6850 If you have a power supply, and cut out the SSD, to build the same thing with an equivalent Nvidia card comes in at $605-ish after tax and rebates using components from Canada Computers. The Video card can be an Nvidia 460 series too. This presumes you have a case as well. But you can save yourself a bunch of money if you just get more ram and an SSD for now.. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon May 16 23:55:45 2011 From: jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 19:55:45 -0400 Subject: Desktop hardware recommendation In-Reply-To: <4DD1B462.8050807-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DD1B462.8050807@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4DD1B981.4090101@yaknet.ca> On 11-05-16 07:33 PM, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On 5/14/2011 5:12 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: >> I went back to look for one of the 'what would Lennart Do?' posts on >> the list and the last one I found was from a couple of years ago. If >> someone were in the market for a solid performing system for $500 - >> $600 today, what would be the quality hardware? >> >> I'm already sold on Western Digital for storage and NVidia for >> graphics. I know Asus motherboards are generally solid, but don't know >> what would be a current favourite. I'm assuming the Intel Core I7 >> processors are a good choice? > An i7 based system around 600 isn't going to take advantage of the > processor imo. I doubt you'll find a decent i7 for less than $225, add a > motherboard and that's over $300 for a reasonable Asus board. An i5 > would likely be more appropriate. > > Personal preference is AMD chips, but that's me. My current system > consists of: > > Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H > AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black > Patriot 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz > Vertex 2 SATA II 2.5" 60GB (SSD for root filesystem) > WD Caviar Black 1000GB, 7200RPM (a couple) > OCZ ModXStream Pro 650W PSU > Gigabyte ATI Radeon 6850 > > If you have a power supply, and cut out the SSD, to build the > same thing with an equivalent Nvidia card comes in at $605-ish after tax > and rebates using components from Canada Computers. The Video card can > be an Nvidia 460 series too. This presumes you have a case as well. > > But you can save yourself a bunch of money if you just get more ram and > an SSD for now.. > > Jamon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > AMD CPU & NVDIA GPU FTW IMHO. Gibabyte or Asus 880 or higher MB SATA 2 or 3 you need to decide. I have just tried an ASROCK Mb and I'm not overly impressed. Always use a good power supply ie Antec or OCD buyer beware check the reviews. No Seagate or Samsung HD IMHO. Go with Western Digital. Mind you Len's selections are quite good too and you wouldn't be wrong going that way. I'm just not an Intel fan and have been buying AMD since the early 90's. OK my wife's machine's is a Q6600. I bought it a Q&D package she needed it ASAP and I was in an extremely lazy point in my life. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 11:35:18 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 07:35:18 -0400 Subject: GTALUG talk in June In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds great, I have updated the wiki, I will make sure there is a projector available and I will look forward to seeing you in June. Colin McGregor On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Ori Idan wrote: > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Colin McGregor > wrote: >> >> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Ori Idan wrote: >> > Hello, >> > I sent this mail to the general mailing list before I knew about this >> > address so I am sending here also (sorry for the cross posting) >> > >> > I am a Linux user and activist from Israel. >> > Me and my wife are in the process of immigrating to Canada. >> > I would like to get to know Linux users from Canada. >> > We will be visiting family in Canada in?June?and I will be happy to come >> > to >> > your meeting in June 14th. >> > From the wiki it seems that no speaker has come up yet for this meeting, >> > therefore I would like to offer a talk about Linux users groups in >> > Israel >> > and Linux translation to Hebrew. >> > The?Hebrew language?in addition to using a different character set, is >> > written from right to left.?All these impose few problems to users who >> > hardly speak?English. >> > I will also try to demonstrate common?Linux?software working in Hebrew. >> > Would you be interested in hearing such a talk? >> >> This sounds great, we would love to hear your talk. So, two questions for >> you: >> >> - How would you like your talk described on the gtalug.org wiki (which >> will be used as the basis for the meeting announcement)? >> - Do you want/need a video projector for your talk (we can arrange for >> one very easily but need to know in advance)? >> >> Again thanks. >> >> Colin McGregor >> > > Thank you, > I will be happy to have a video projector as I will prepare a presentation > (LibreOffice presentation) and probably show some examples of Linux software > in?Hebrew. > I will bring my netbook (running Ubuntu 11.04) I guess it would not be a > problem to connect it to the projector. > As for the description in the wiki I would like something like: > ?Topic: Linux Development and Linux groups in Israel > Description: > Israel as a leading in HiTech industry includes evolving groups of Linux > Users. > These groups have to deal with?exceptional?and unique needs which are > relevant to this area. > In this talk I will speak about?LUG's in Israel and their activities. > A little bit about the history of Linux in Israel. > I will also explain about the Hebrew language and the?challenge?it > introduces to both software and websites. > -- > Ori Idan > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 11:41:59 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 07:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <4DD1834A.7010505-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD15F29.9060406@rogers.com> <20110516181403.GB10493@amber> <4DD1834A.7010505@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: James Knott | IIRC, DHCP leases on Rogers are 7 days. This means that so long as you | connect at least once a week, you'll likely retain the same address. Rogers changes my IP address without waiting for the lease to expire. Of course that isn't often, but it is rude. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 11:44:04 2011 From: jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Miles) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 07:44:04 -0400 Subject: Hardware Freecycle - 20 SuperMicro 32bit Servers Message-ID: Hi, We have 20 old rack mountable servers Supermicro servers. Models: 15 x 5013 5 x 5014 * these are 5+ years old * they range from a pair of units never powered on (no processors/RAM installed) to about 3 that were DOA when returned to us from customers. * I know we have rails for about 6 of them in the office, and probably enough for the rest in storage * They have Dual SATA drive slots * I can provide drive trays for all of them * Dual on board ethernet ports * single power supply * If you need an extra network card for each, I might have about 5 dual port units, and lots of single port They are located in Cambridge, but I can bring them home to Milton if that helps. I know someone posted about using old desktops for a charitable cause, so thought I would offer these before we send them for proper disposal. ... going on up to the spirit in the sky... :) John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevjmorris-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 11:44:07 2011 From: kevjmorris-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Kevin Morris) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 07:44:07 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <4DD1834A.7010505-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD15F29.9060406@rogers.com> <20110516181403.GB10493@amber>,<4DD1834A.7010505@rogers.com> Message-ID: Hi, Bell offered me a deal to switch to Fibe TV with a new internet package, I have the old Sympatico deal with unlimited usage, but the new offer limits me to 25GB a month. Does anyone know how to estimate my monthly usage? Kevin > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:04:26 -0400 > From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? > > Peter King wrote: > > Mind you, > > I leave my connection up 24/7. > > > > IIRC, DHCP leases on Rogers are 7 days. This means that so long as you > connect at least once a week, you'll likely retain the same address. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 12:15:57 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 08:15:57 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD15F29.9060406@rogers.com> <20110516181403.GB10493@amber> <4DD1834A.7010505@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DD266FD.5070607@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Rogers changes my IP address without waiting for the lease to expire. > Of course that isn't often, but it is rude. > Part way through the lease, your computer or firewall will request a renewal. The DHCP server may or may not reissue the same address. A DHCP server cannot change the address until that renewal is requested. After the renewal, a new lease period begins. You "own" that address until the lease expires or the next renewal. I expect the address changes are due to network changes, unlike on Bell ADSL, where the IP address changes frequently and the host name changes with it (the Bell host name contains your IP address). Do a host lookup on your Rogers IP address and you will see your host name, which will not change unless you change hardware. Bottom line, your Rogers IP address is virtually static and the host name is essentially permanent. Here's what a Rogers host name looks like. It has been changed to protect the guilty. CPExxxxxxxxxxxx-CMyyyyyyyyyyyy.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com The "x" string represents your firewall MAC address and the "y", the modem MAC. I have set up an alias in my domain DNS server that points to that long host name. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 12:18:31 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 08:18:31 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD15F29.9060406@rogers.com> <20110516181403.GB10493@amber>,<4DD1834A.7010505@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DD26797.8030402@rogers.com> Kevin Morris wrote: > Does anyone know how to estimate my monthly usage? Rogers has a usage indicator on their web site, which shows how much you've used. However, 25 GB doesn't seem to be that much. My smart phone plan includes 6 GB. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 12:58:55 2011 From: solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (solarflow99) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 08:58:55 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <4DD26797.8030402-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD15F29.9060406@rogers.com> <20110516181403.GB10493@amber> <4DD1834A.7010505@rogers.com> <4DD26797.8030402@rogers.com> Message-ID: and they don't block port 25 by the looks of it. I think many ISPs already blacklist it though since mail barely ever comes in or makes it out to the destination. Anyone still getting probed for open ports? I used to get authorized scans years ago, not sure how they check for that now. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:18 AM, James Knott wrote: > Kevin Morris wrote: > >> Does anyone know how to estimate my monthly usage? >> > > Rogers has a usage indicator on their web site, which shows how much you've > used. However, 25 GB doesn't seem to be that much. My smart phone plan > includes 6 GB. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 13:42:58 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 09:42:58 -0400 Subject: Hardware Freecycle - 20 SuperMicro 32bit Servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DD27B62.5080300@alteeve.com> On 05/17/2011 07:44 AM, John Miles wrote: > Hi, > > We have 20 old rack mountable servers Supermicro servers. > Models: > 15 x 5013 > 5 x 5014 > > * these are 5+ years old > * they range from a pair of units never powered on (no processors/RAM > installed) to about 3 that were DOA when returned to us from customers. > * I know we have rails for about 6 of them in the office, and probably > enough for the rest in storage > * They have Dual SATA drive slots > * I can provide drive trays for all of them > * Dual on board ethernet ports > * single power supply > * If you need an extra network card for each, I might have about 5 dual > port units, and lots of single port > > They are located in Cambridge, but I can bring them home to Milton if > that helps. > > I know someone posted about using old desktops for a charitable cause, > so thought I would offer these before we send them for proper disposal. > ... going on up to the spirit in the sky... > :) > > John. Are these 2U or 3U by chance? If so, I've been looking to swap out my desktop cluster nodes for rack mount. It's not a high priority so give priority to anyone who would make use of the contents. It's just a "it'd be nice if...". If they are 2 or 3U, and if you have seven left over (ie: the dead ones), let me know. :) -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org "I feel confined, only free to expand myself within boundaries." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 13:49:32 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 09:49:32 -0400 Subject: Byron Sonne Granted Bail In-Reply-To: <4DD27796.6080201-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DD27796.6080201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DD27CEC.5010108@alteeve.com> On 05/17/2011 09:26 AM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/992148--g20-geek-byron-sonne-granted-bail Anyone in the Toronto area who would like to show support, please come to the 361 University Ave. court house tomorrow. The hearing where his bail conditions will be laid out will begin at 9:30am. I will tweet the room number as soon as I learn what it is (watch the hashtag #FreeByron). Byron has spent almost eleven months in a maximum security prison. He's been charged with extremely serious charges and his life has been turned upside down and gutted. All of this started because he wasn't willing to waive his civil rights. The weight of the government came down on him because he embarrassed the government and their wasteful spending on security. The same government is using his science hobbies to paint him as a terrorist. Those I've spoken to in person know why I say this. When the publication ban lifts, the government is going to have a lot to answer for. Anyone who enjoys amateur science and has a political opinion should be very concerned. As always, I am happy to back up my assertions in person for those in the community who are interested. -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org "I feel confined, only free to expand myself within boundaries." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 14:02:29 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:02:29 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD15F29.9060406@rogers.com> <20110516181403.GB10493@amber> <4DD1834A.7010505@rogers.com> <4DD26797.8030402@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DD27FF5.4060804@rogers.com> solarflow99 wrote: > and they don't block port 25 by the looks of it.? I think many ISPs > already blacklist it though since mail barely ever comes in or makes > it out to the destination. > Anyone still getting probed for open ports?? I used to get authorized > scans years ago, not sure how they check for that now. I have ssh, imaps and OpenVPN open on IPv4 and other services, including http open on IPv6. No problems so far. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 14:36:16 2011 From: andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:36:16 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD15F29.9060406@rogers.com> <20110516181403.GB10493@amber> <4DD1834A.7010505@rogers.com> <4DD26797.8030402@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:58 AM, solarflow99 wrote: > and they don't block port 25 by the looks of it. I think many ISPs already > blacklist it though since mail barely ever comes in or makes it out to the > destination. > Anyone still getting probed for open ports? I used to get authorized scans > years ago, not sure how they check for that now. Rogers used to block port 25. If they no longer do I'd consider that a regression. Let's face it -- the ship has sailed on home SMTP servers; the overwhelming majority of mail traffic originating from home machines is spam from Windows malware, and I for one think it's a good thing for ISPs to block it. Besides which, most of those IP blocks are on various blacklists anyway, making use of a home SMTP server highly unreliable. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 14:42:33 2011 From: andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:42:33 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD15F29.9060406@rogers.com> <20110516181403.GB10493@amber> <4DD1834A.7010505@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Kevin Morris wrote: > > Hi, > > Bell offered me a deal to switch to Fibe TV with a new internet package, I have the old Sympatico deal with unlimited usage, but the new offer limits me to 25GB a month. > > Does anyone know how to estimate my monthly usage? Your gateway can do reliable bandwidth accounting, so you shouldn't have to guess. Decent router firmware has that built in, and it can be added to a general purpose computer that's being used as a firewall. What are you using for that? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 15:28:16 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:28:16 -0400 Subject: Desktop hardware recommendation In-Reply-To: <4DD1B462.8050807-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DD1B462.8050807@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20110517152816.GW21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 07:33:54PM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > An i7 based system around 600 isn't going to take advantage of the > processor imo. I doubt you'll find a decent i7 for less than $225, add a > motherboard and that's over $300 for a reasonable Asus board. An i5 > would likely be more appropriate. There are two kinds of i7s. The original tripple channel memory ones, and the cheaper dual channel memory ones (which use much cheaper boards). An i5 is a lot cheaper, and certainly mroe reasonable for a cheap system. I still think $800 to $1000 is a way better target for a low end machine. You can build something that will work well for a long time that way. > Personal preference is AMD chips, but that's me. My current system > consists of: > > Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H > AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black > Patriot 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz > Vertex 2 SATA II 2.5" 60GB (SSD for root filesystem) > WD Caviar Black 1000GB, 7200RPM (a couple) > OCZ ModXStream Pro 650W PSU > Gigabyte ATI Radeon 6850 I have avoided AMD chips since the only chipsets available are the ATI ones now. I saw way too much trouble with those in the past, so I simply don't trust them. Just like their video cards. Nice hardware, but a long history of awful drivers, so I won't buy them. > If you have a power supply, and cut out the SSD, to build the > same thing with an equivalent Nvidia card comes in at $605-ish after tax > and rebates using components from Canada Computers. The Video card can > be an Nvidia 460 series too. This presumes you have a case as well. > > But you can save yourself a bunch of money if you just get more ram and > an SSD for now.. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 15:37:47 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:37:47 -0400 Subject: Desktop hardware recommendation In-Reply-To: <4DD1B981.4090101-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4DD1B462.8050807@utoronto.ca> <4DD1B981.4090101@yaknet.ca> Message-ID: <20110517153747.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 07:55:45PM -0400, John Myshrall wrote: > AMD CPU & NVDIA GPU FTW IMHO. > > Gibabyte or Asus 880 or higher MB SATA 2 or 3 you need to decide. I > have just tried an ASROCK Mb and I'm not overly impressed. I had sufficiently bad experiences with gigabyte in the past that I am not sure I can ever consider them again. ASRock is not an option. > Always use a good power supply ie Antec or OCD buyer beware check > the reviews. Brand name means nothing in power supplies. The design choices and manufacturer are much more important. > No Seagate or Samsung HD IMHO. Go with Western Digital. Absolutely. > Mind you Len's selections are quite good too and you wouldn't be > wrong going that way. > > I'm just not an Intel fan and have been buying AMD since the early 90's. I am a fan of who makes the best hardware. These days that is clearly intel. AMD buying ATI was to me a very bad idea because it made nvidia stop making chipstes for the AMD chips (and they were by far the best chipsets AMD had). The Pentium 4 was awful and I never even considered buying one (the Athlon and Athlon 64 were much better). The Core 2 and now Core i have changed that. > OK my wife's machine's is a Q6600. I bought it a Q&D package she > needed it ASAP and I was in an extremely lazy point in my life. Yeah my wife has an i7 920 machine. My mythtv box has a Q6600. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 15:40:40 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:40:40 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD15F29.9060406@rogers.com> <20110516181403.GB10493@amber> <4DD1834A.7010505@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110517154040.GY21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 07:44:07AM -0400, Kevin Morris wrote: > Bell offered me a deal to switch to Fibe TV with a new internet package, I have the old Sympatico deal with unlimited usage, but the new offer limits me to 25GB a month. What makes Bell think having 20+Mbit/s makes sense with a 25GB/month limit? > Does anyone know how to estimate my monthly usage? Ehm, depends what you do I guess. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ushnish.sengupta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 17:42:31 2011 From: ushnish.sengupta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ushnish Sengupta) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 13:42:31 -0400 Subject: Hardware Freecycle - 20 SuperMicro 32bit Servers In-Reply-To: <4DD27B62.5080300-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4DD27B62.5080300@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Hi John Our nonprofit Free Geek Toronto would be happy to get the servers if they are still available. We describe www.freegeektoronto,org frequently enough on this list. So in the interest on keeping this post as non-commercial as possible, I will simply point you to some recent good press we got: http://www.insidetoronto.com/news/local/article/983395--free-geek-makes-nerdy-accessible And yes, I will transport as many dead servers that will fit in my car to Toronto for Madison as well. Ushnish On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Digimer wrote: > On 05/17/2011 07:44 AM, John Miles wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We have 20 old rack mountable servers Supermicro servers. > > Models: > > 15 x 5013 > > 5 x 5014 > > > > * these are 5+ years old > > * they range from a pair of units never powered on (no processors/RAM > > installed) to about 3 that were DOA when returned to us from customers. > > * I know we have rails for about 6 of them in the office, and probably > > enough for the rest in storage > > * They have Dual SATA drive slots > > * I can provide drive trays for all of them > > * Dual on board ethernet ports > > * single power supply > > * If you need an extra network card for each, I might have about 5 dual > > port units, and lots of single port > > > > They are located in Cambridge, but I can bring them home to Milton if > > that helps. > > > > I know someone posted about using old desktops for a charitable cause, > > so thought I would offer these before we send them for proper disposal. > > ... going on up to the spirit in the sky... > > :) > > > > John. > > Are these 2U or 3U by chance? If so, I've been looking to swap out my > desktop cluster nodes for rack mount. It's not a high priority so give > priority to anyone who would make use of the contents. It's just a "it'd > be nice if...". If they are 2 or 3U, and if you have seven left over > (ie: the dead ones), let me know. :) > > -- > Digimer > E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org > AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com > Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org > "I feel confined, only free to expand myself within boundaries." > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 18:18:44 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 14:18:44 -0400 Subject: backend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DD2BC04.5060700@rogers.com> Google "linux backend 100 cpu" There is lots of info. On 11-05-17 01:57 PM, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > I am just about finished setting up a PC for my in-laws. I happen to > notice that "backend" is using up over 90% of the cpu. Checking > backend on the man pages tells me that backend has something to do > with cups. I haven't set up any printers as yet, haven't even called > up cups. > > I did, however, set up a Zip drive, which uses the ppa module, but it > isn't even connected at the moment. Could it have something to do with > the Zip drive? I don't particularly want something using up almost > 100% of the cpu when the PC is pretty well idle. > > Thanks for any ideas. > > John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 19:08:30 2011 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 19:08:30 +0000 Subject: backend In-Reply-To: <4DD2BC04.5060700-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: ,<4DD2BC04.5060700@rogers.com> Message-ID: Thanks. It seems to happen after doing a system test, which is what happened in my case. It also seems particular to Ubuntu 10.04, although I'm not totally sure about that. I'm always confounded how it is that Ubuntu has some many weird bugs that last long after a release. Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 14:18:44 -0400 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: backend Message body Google "linux backend 100 cpu" There is lots of info. On 11-05-17 01:57 PM, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: I am just about finished setting up a PC for my in-laws. I happen to notice that "backend" is using up over 90% of the cpu. Checking backend on the man pages tells me that backend has something to do with cups. I haven't set up any printers as yet, haven't even called up cups. I did, however, set up a Zip drive, which uses the ppa module, but it isn't even connected at the moment. Could it have something to do with the Zip drive? I don't particularly want something using up almost 100% of the cpu when the PC is pretty well idle. Thanks for any ideas. John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've got a car, and live in Oakville, so I can just as easily pick them up from Free Geek, too. Do we know the size of the machines? Are they 2U or 3U? -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org "I feel confined, only free to expand myself within boundaries." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue May 17 20:18:20 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 16:18:20 -0400 Subject: Desktop hardware recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110517201820.GA13642@yam.witteman.ca> If you can afford to pay more, you can get a *heck* of a system for not much money these days. I recently bought a data analysis machine for a study I'm administering - I needed it to be RAM-heavy and fast, but graphics were not an issue. I bought it from Filtech on Spadina near College. It has a nice but generic case, good PSU, average HD and a 26.6" LCD screen, and a basic Nvidia video card. It uses a solid Asus motherboard with USB 3. What is especially nice is that the CPU is an i7 950 and it has 24Gb of triple-channel RAM - all for $1600 taxes and environmental fees included. It is not running Linux, but it certainly could. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Digimer wrote: > On 05/17/2011 07:44 AM, John Miles wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We have 20 old rack mountable servers Supermicro servers. > > Models: > > 15 x 5013 > > 5 x 5014 > > > > * these are 5+ years old > > * they range from a pair of units never powered on (no processors/RAM > > installed) to about 3 that were DOA when returned to us from customers. > > * I know we have rails for about 6 of them in the office, and probably > > enough for the rest in storage > > * They have Dual SATA drive slots > > * I can provide drive trays for all of them > > * Dual on board ethernet ports > > * single power supply > > * If you need an extra network card for each, I might have about 5 dual > > port units, and lots of single port > > > > They are located in Cambridge, but I can bring them home to Milton if > > that helps. > > > > I know someone posted about using old desktops for a charitable cause, > > so thought I would offer these before we send them for proper disposal. > > ... going on up to the spirit in the sky... > > :) > > > > John. > > Are these 2U or 3U by chance? If so, I've been looking to swap out my > desktop cluster nodes for rack mount. It's not a high priority so give > priority to anyone who would make use of the contents. It's just a "it'd > be nice if...". If they are 2 or 3U, and if you have seven left over > (ie: the dead ones), let me know. :) > > -- > Digimer > E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org > AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com > Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org > "I feel confined, only free to expand myself within boundaries." > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 18 00:09:05 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 20:09:05 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD15F29.9060406@rogers.com> <20110516181403.GB10493@amber> <4DD1834A.7010505@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Kevin Morris wrote: > Hi, > > Bell offered me a deal to switch to Fibe TV with a new internet package, I > have the old Sympatico deal with unlimited usage, but the new offer limits > me to 25GB a month. > > Does anyone know how to estimate my monthly usage? > Bell has a page where it shows how much data you've downloaded. I'm not sure whether your data cap includes data you upload. Anyhow use the service for a week, check how much you've downloaded, then multiply by 4. Ivan. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 18 02:01:02 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 22:01:02 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <4DD26797.8030402-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DCC3E29.8040401@ss.org> <4DCD3820.2090300@gmail.com> <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD15F29.9060406@rogers.com> <20110516181403.GB10493@amber>,<4DD1834A.7010505@rogers.com> <4DD26797.8030402@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DD3285E.7020900@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > Rogers has a usage indicator on their web site, which shows how much > you've used. However, 25 GB doesn't seem to be that much. My smart > phone plan includes 6 GB. I heard on the news tonight that the average usage in North America is 22 GB/month. 25 GB doesn't leave much of a margin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed May 18 21:02:48 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 14:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <4DD43326.9050701-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD15F29.9060406@rogers.com> <20110516181403.GB10493@amber> <4DD1834A.7010505@rogers.com> <4DD26797.8030402@rogers.com> <4DD3285E.7020900@rogers.com> <20110518205509.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD43326.9050701@rogers.com> Message-ID: <693643.63567.qm@web113402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >>> I heard on the news tonight that the average usage in North America >>> is 22 GB/month.? 25 GB doesn't leave much of a margin. >>> ? ? ? >> I know I have a cap of 95GB and I probably average around 60 or 70. >> Occationally I have exceeded 95 and payed extra for the usage, although >> I think I have managed to only do that once or twice. > > I have a cap of 90 GB and never exceeded it, but I have come close once. I have cap of 300GB, suckers! -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 18 20:59:18 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 16:59:18 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <20110518205509.GZ21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD15F29.9060406@rogers.com> <20110516181403.GB10493@amber> <4DD1834A.7010505@rogers.com> <4DD26797.8030402@rogers.com> <4DD3285E.7020900@rogers.com> <20110518205509.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DD43326.9050701@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:01:02PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > >> I heard on the news tonight that the average usage in North America >> is 22 GB/month. 25 GB doesn't leave much of a margin. >> > I know I have a cap of 95GB and I probably average around 60 or 70. > Occationally I have exceeded 95 and payed extra for the usage, although > I think I have managed to only do that once or twice. > > I have a cap of 90 GB and never exceeded it, but I have come close once. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed May 18 20:55:09 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 16:55:09 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <4DD3285E.7020900-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD15F29.9060406@rogers.com> <20110516181403.GB10493@amber> <4DD1834A.7010505@rogers.com> <4DD26797.8030402@rogers.com> <4DD3285E.7020900@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110518205509.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:01:02PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > I heard on the news tonight that the average usage in North America > is 22 GB/month. 25 GB doesn't leave much of a margin. I know I have a cap of 95GB and I probably average around 60 or 70. Occationally I have exceeded 95 and payed extra for the usage, although I think I have managed to only do that once or twice. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed May 18 21:35:29 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 17:35:29 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried Bell's Fibe TV? In-Reply-To: <693643.63567.qm-CtIdhJAQs3OZZBmlwP4mLPu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <06E94C57-1767-41F1-B586-E10B7105BF3B@sarg.ryerson.ca> <4DD07028.1040603@utoronto.ca> <20110516170707.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD15F29.9060406@rogers.com> <20110516181403.GB10493@amber> <4DD1834A.7010505@rogers.com> <4DD26797.8030402@rogers.com> <4DD3285E.7020900@rogers.com> <20110518205509.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD43326.9050701@rogers.com> <693643.63567.qm@web113402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DD43BA1.7010205@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > I have cap of 300GB, suckers! > And a 300 b/s connection. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 01:06:33 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 21:06:33 -0400 Subject: Creating /home Message-ID: <4DD46D19.1040702@rogers.com> So I had /home on a failing drive. I used usermod -d /path/to/new/homedir/ username to move *my* home drive to another volume, and copied the data. This was until I could ... I swapped the drive with a good one (thanks WP) and now want to return to a more or less normal structure. I mounted the new volume as /storage2tb I want to mkdir /storage2tb/home and use that as a normal home directory. Is that sufficient for Ubuntu to create new user accounts there? Or do I need specify somewhere that home is /storage2tb/home ? And what permissions should I give to /storage2tb/home ? Thanks Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 02:32:28 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 22:32:28 -0400 Subject: Creating /home In-Reply-To: <4DD46D19.1040702-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DD46D19.1040702@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110519023228.GA3010@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 09:06:33PM -0400, Stephen wrote: > So I had /home on a failing drive. > > I used usermod -d /path/to/new/homedir/ username > > to move *my* home drive to another volume, and copied the data. This was > until I could ... > > I swapped the drive with a good one (thanks WP) and now want to return > to a more or less normal structure. > > I mounted the new volume as /storage2tb > > I want to mkdir /storage2tb/home and use that as a normal home directory. > > Is that sufficient for Ubuntu to create new user accounts there? You use any directory as user's home. > Or do I need specify somewhere that home is /storage2tb/home ? Edit /etc/fstab. > > And what permissions should I give to /storage2tb/home ? Same as your old /home (755, root:root), which would be by default. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 02:52:10 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 22:52:10 -0400 Subject: Creating /home In-Reply-To: <4DD46D19.1040702-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DD46D19.1040702@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110519025210.GA13333@yam.witteman.ca> This is really old now, but I first moved /home following these instructions, and they are as true today as ever they were: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-partplan/index.html -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 03:47:43 2011 From: gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Eric Battersby) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 23:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux OLPC and Toronto Public Library WiFi Message-ID: I walked into a Toronto Public Library expecting my OLPC to work right away with their WiFi. No ping to the Internet and the browser went to 404. The browser is supposed to reach an "end user agreement" page. As per some old TLUG maillist entries, etc, I 'yum' installed winbind and smb. I changed /etc/nsswitch to add 'wins' to the end of the 'hosts' line. Later, at the library, I booted the computer and verified that 'smb' and 'winbind' were running. Still no go. What am I missing? -- Eric. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 14:07:56 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 10:07:56 -0400 Subject: Linux OLPC and Toronto Public Library WiFi In-Reply-To: <24903_1305792621_p4J8ALjW000381_alpine.BSF.2.00.1105182345430.30520-Ja3L+HSX0kI@public.gmane.org> References: <24903_1305792621_p4J8ALjW000381_alpine.BSF.2.00.1105182345430.30520@vex.net> Message-ID: <4DD5243C.3000001@utoronto.ca> On 05/18/2011 11:47 PM, Eric Battersby wrote: > I walked into a Toronto Public Library expecting my OLPC to > work right away with their WiFi. No ping to the Internet and > the browser went to 404. The browser is supposed to reach an > "end user agreement" page. > > As per some old TLUG maillist entries, etc, I 'yum' installed > winbind and smb. > I changed /etc/nsswitch to add 'wins' to the end > of the 'hosts' line. > > Later, at the library, I booted the computer and verified that > 'smb' and 'winbind' were running. Still no go. > What am I missing? Not sure if it still applies, I ended up calling their tech support before visiting and letting them know my MAC address and that I used Linux. Not sure what was done, but it has never not worked since. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 14:14:43 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 10:14:43 -0400 Subject: Linux OLPC and Toronto Public Library WiFi In-Reply-To: <4DD5243C.3000001-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <24903_1305792621_p4J8ALjW000381_alpine.BSF.2.00.1105182345430.30520@vex.net> <4DD5243C.3000001@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4DD525D3.8030005@rogers.com> Jamon Camisso wrote: > Not sure if it still applies, I ended up calling their tech support > before visiting and letting them know my MAC address and that I used > Linux. Not sure what was done, but it has never not worked since. > What is it that the Toronto library does differently? I have often used my Linux computer, along with Nokia N800, Google Nexus One smart phone and even an Asus WL-330gE portable access point in the Mississauga library without any problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 14:53:23 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 07:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux OLPC and Toronto Public Library WiFi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <148657.11227.qm@web113401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Eric Battersby > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 11:47:43 PM > Subject: [TLUG]: Linux OLPC and Toronto Public Library WiFi > > I walked into a Toronto Public Library expecting my OLPC to > work right away with their WiFi.? No ping to the Internet and > the browser went to 404.? The browser is supposed to reach an > "end user agreement" page. > > As per some old TLUG maillist entries, etc, I 'yum' installed > winbind and smb. > I changed /etc/nsswitch to add 'wins' to the end > of the 'hosts' line. > > Later, at the library, I booted the computer and verified that > 'smb' and 'winbind' were running.? Still no go. > What am I missing? Windows. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 14:57:44 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 10:57:44 -0400 Subject: Cable modem users could get static IPs soon. Message-ID: <20110519145744.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/cablecos-lose-decision-before-crtc/143158 This would be nice. If this works out we would be able to have static IPs on cable modem service from teksavvy and such. That would be nice. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 15:01:23 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:01:23 -0400 Subject: Creating /home In-Reply-To: <20110519023228.GA3010-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4DD46D19.1040702@rogers.com> <20110519023228.GA3010@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110519150123.GB21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:32:28PM -0400, William Park wrote: > > Is that sufficient for Ubuntu to create new user accounts there? I think all the tools may be hardcoded to use /home. Mount your drive there. Or symlink /home to /storage2tb/home. No useful point to trying to mess with something that works. I have seen systems that used /u or /u1. /u2, etc for users, but they had custom account management tools to do it. > You use any directory as user's home. > > Edit /etc/fstab. Actually /etc/passwd is a better place to change to say where a user's home dir is. > Same as your old /home (755, root:root), which would be by default. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 15:10:41 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:10:41 -0400 Subject: Cable modem users could get static IPs soon. In-Reply-To: <20110519145744.GA21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110519145744.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DD532F1.7010209@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/cablecos-lose-decision-before-crtc/143158 > > This would be nice. If this works out we would be able to have static > IPs on cable modem service from teksavvy and such. That would be nice. > > What would be nicer would be the ISPs getting in gear with IPv6. Instead of a stingy (soon to run out) single IPv4 address, you'd get a huge subnet (minimum 2^64 addresses, mine's 2^72). Even if an ISP handed out single addresses, there'd still be no shortage, as their subnet would also be a minimum of 2^64 or 18446744073709551616 addresses. So they could give you as many as you wanted. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 15:32:01 2011 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:32:01 -0400 Subject: Linux OLPC and Toronto Public Library WiFi In-Reply-To: <4DD525D3.8030005-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <24903_1305792621_p4J8ALjW000381_alpine.BSF.2.00.1105182345430.30520@vex.net> <4DD5243C.3000001@utoronto.ca> <4DD525D3.8030005@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DD537F1.5080405@ss.org> On 05/19/2011 10:14 AM, James Knott wrote: > Jamon Camisso wrote: >> Not sure if it still applies, I ended up calling their tech support >> before visiting and letting them know my MAC address and that I used >> Linux. Not sure what was done, but it has never not worked since. > What is it that the Toronto library does differently? I have often > used my Linux computer, along with Nokia N800, Google Nexus One smart > phone and even an Asus WL-330gE portable access point in the > Mississauga library without any problems. I own an OLPC XO as well and haven't had issue using the TPL wifi once I'm able to connect. The major problem in my experience has been that their DHCP lease times are too long for a frequency of clients. You'll sometimes half connect and fail to get an IP address as the whole pool is assigned and it's taking to long to verify a free address. Best practice I've found is too keep trying. Wish I had more helpful advice. My linux netbook as also had no trouble. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 15:38:43 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:38:43 -0400 Subject: Cable modem users could get static IPs soon. In-Reply-To: <4DD532F1.7010209-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110519145744.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD532F1.7010209@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110519153843.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:10:41AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/cablecos-lose-decision-before-crtc/143158 > > > >This would be nice. If this works out we would be able to have static > >IPs on cable modem service from teksavvy and such. That would be nice. > > > > What would be nicer would be the ISPs getting in gear with IPv6. > Instead of a stingy (soon to run out) single IPv4 address, you'd get > a huge subnet (minimum 2^64 addresses, mine's 2^72). Even if an ISP > handed out single addresses, there'd still be no shortage, as their > subnet would also be a minimum of 2^64 or 18446744073709551616 > addresses. So they could give you as many as you wanted. Would be nice, especially since an ISP can not give end users less than 2^64 addresses. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 15:41:07 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:41:07 -0400 Subject: Linux OLPC and Toronto Public Library WiFi In-Reply-To: <4DD525D3.8030005-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <24903_1305792621_p4J8ALjW000381_alpine.BSF.2.00.1105182345430.30520@vex.net> <4DD5243C.3000001@utoronto.ca> <4DD525D3.8030005@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:14 AM, James Knott wrote: > >> > What is it that the Toronto library does differently? > > My Ubuntu-running Thinkpad has no problems. Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ - 73 de VA3PID -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know they have officially run out of ipv4, but I still haven't heard any specific announcements on a adoption date of 6. tl On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:10:41AM -0400, James Knott wrote: >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/cablecos-lose-decision-before-crtc/143158 >> > >> >This would be nice. ?If this works out we would be able to have static >> >IPs on cable modem service from teksavvy and such. ?That would be nice. >> > >> >> What would be nicer would be the ISPs getting in gear with IPv6. >> Instead of a stingy (soon to run out) single IPv4 address, you'd get >> a huge subnet (minimum 2^64 addresses, mine's 2^72). ?Even if an ISP >> handed out single addresses, there'd still be no shortage, as their >> subnet would also be a minimum of 2^64 or 18446744073709551616 >> addresses. ?So they could give you as many as you wanted. > > Would be nice, especially since an ISP can not give end users less than > 2^64 addresses. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 15:56:48 2011 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:56:48 -0400 Subject: Cable modem users could get static IPs soon. In-Reply-To: <20110519145744.GA21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110519145744.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DD53DC0.9090301@dinamis.com> On 05/19/2011 10:57 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/cablecos-lose-decision-before-crtc/143158 > > This would be nice. If this works out we would be able to have static > IPs on cable modem service from teksavvy and such. That would be nice. One of the supposed advantages of a static IP address cited in that article is the ability to run a mail server. That is of no use when a significant number of MTAs will treat anything from the Rogers "dial-up" IP block as spam anyway. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 16:02:52 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 12:02:52 -0400 Subject: OT: First Names with Spaces Message-ID: <4DD53F2C.1080605@gmail.com> In Italy some people's formal names have a space in them. My grandmother's name in the records is for example "Anna Maria". "Maria" in this case is not a middle name. Can most databases today handle a space in the datafield? Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 16:07:34 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 12:07:34 -0400 Subject: OT: First Names with Spaces In-Reply-To: <4DD53F2C.1080605-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DD53F2C.1080605@gmail.com> Message-ID: no different then "van halen" or many other dutch names for example treated in DB's, it would be the field verification code that would have issue (if programmer implemented such), not the DB, DB's usually except spaces just fine in a char/varchat/text field. now a ' as in O'brien , totally different story, have to escape that or store in a format acceptable to db, and not for the field itself but for the calls that interface with the data. tl On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > In Italy some people's formal names have a space in them. My grandmother's > name in the records is for example "Anna Maria". "Maria" in this case is not > a middle name. Can most databases today handle a space in the datafield? > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 16:15:44 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 12:15:44 -0400 Subject: Linux OLPC and Toronto Public Library WiFi In-Reply-To: <4DD537F1.5080405-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <24903_1305792621_p4J8ALjW000381_alpine.BSF.2.00.1105182345430.30520@vex.net> <4DD5243C.3000001@utoronto.ca> <4DD525D3.8030005@rogers.com> <4DD537F1.5080405@ss.org> Message-ID: <4DD54230.40007@rogers.com> Scott Sullivan wrote: > The major problem in my experience has been that their DHCP lease > times are too long for a frequency of clients. > You'll sometimes half connect and fail to get an IP address as the > whole pool is assigned and it's taking to long to verify a free address. Once you connect, you can verify the lease time. If it is excessive, perhaps you could mention it to the IT staff. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 16:18:51 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 12:18:51 -0400 Subject: Cable modem users could get static IPs soon. In-Reply-To: <20110519153843.GC21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110519145744.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD532F1.7010209@rogers.com> <20110519153843.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DD542EB.1000902@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Would be nice, especially since an ISP can not give end users less than > 264 addresses. > I believe single addresses are permitted, as the tunnel broker I deal with can provide both subnets and single addresses. My home network gets a subnet, but my notebook, when away from home can get a single address. Their client can be configured to do either. However, I agree about them handing out subnet to home & business users. The IPv6 address space is so huge, there's absolutely no reason to be stingy with addresses. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 16:22:51 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 12:22:51 -0400 Subject: Cable modem users could get static IPs soon. In-Reply-To: References: <20110519145744.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD532F1.7010209@rogers.com> <20110519153843.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DD543DB.2030300@rogers.com> ted leslie wrote: > Where are these minimum guesses coming from? > Big diff from a ISP getting that min. and a single cust. getting that as a min. > I know they have officially run out of ipv4, but I still haven't heard any > specific announcements on a adoption date of 6. > It comes from the specs, when MAC addresses are used to create an IP address. With this method, the 48 bit MAC address is split into the 24 bit manufacturer and serial halves and FFFE hex inserted to create a 64 bit subnet address. If you have a subnet of any other size, you have to use some other method to generate unique local IP addresses. As I mentioned, I have 2^72 addresses. This is because I have a /56 subnet, which is in turn comprised of 256 /64 subnets. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 16:27:15 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 12:27:15 -0400 Subject: OT: First Names with Spaces In-Reply-To: <4DD53F2C.1080605-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DD53F2C.1080605@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > In Italy some people's formal names have a space in them. My grandmother's > name in the records is for example "Anna Maria". "Maria" in this case is not > a middle name. Can most databases today handle a space in the datafield? Increasingly, databases themselves don't care - they're a mechanism for storing whatever payload was provided. This is much more a "front end" issue, and, increasingly often, front ends use whatever structure they are given, so that they're really not trying to parse names, and don't care what's in them. There's enough strangeness about name ordering these days, as different cultures have pretty different understandings of naming, that it is getting less and less possible to treat such in a strict fashion. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 16:35:34 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 12:35:34 -0400 Subject: Linux OLPC and Toronto Public Library WiFi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110519163534.GA12368@waltdnes.org> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:47:43PM -0400, Eric Battersby wrote > I walked into a Toronto Public Library expecting my OLPC to > work right away with their WiFi. No ping to the Internet and > the browser went to 404. The browser is supposed to reach an > "end user agreement" page. I ran into a similar situation when I first tried to connect wifi at the Toronto Public Library. Long story short... they redirect you a web page address in the 10.0.0.0/8 range. I had a paranoid iptables ruleset which blocked that range, so I never saw the page. A quick-n-dirty hack to get on was /etc/init.d/iptables stop (from a root login in an xterm) go to the "end user agreement" page and click "I agree" as necessary /etc/init.d/iptables start After the initial agreement page, it worked OK, even with iptables on. For info about wifi see... http://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/using-the-library/computer-services/wireless/ Vaughan Public Library also has free wifi. See... http://www.vaughanpl.info/library_features/view/8 -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 17:37:20 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 13:37:20 -0400 Subject: Cable modem users could get static IPs soon. In-Reply-To: <4DD53DC0.9090301-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110519145744.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD53DC0.9090301@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20110519173720.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:56:48AM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 05/19/2011 10:57 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/cablecos-lose-decision-before-crtc/143158 > > > >This would be nice. If this works out we would be able to have static > >IPs on cable modem service from teksavvy and such. That would be nice. > > One of the supposed advantages of a static IP address cited in that > article is the ability to run a mail server. That is of no use when > a significant number of MTAs will treat anything from the Rogers > "dial-up" IP block as spam anyway. But it might use your other ISPs IP block in this case. Could happen right? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 17:38:20 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 13:38:20 -0400 Subject: Cable modem users could get static IPs soon. In-Reply-To: <4DD542EB.1000902-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110519145744.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD532F1.7010209@rogers.com> <20110519153843.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD542EB.1000902@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110519173820.GE21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:18:51PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > I believe single addresses are permitted, as the tunnel broker I > deal with can provide both subnets and single addresses. My home > network gets a subnet, but my notebook, when away from home can get > a single address. Their client can be configured to do either. > However, I agree about them handing out subnet to home & business > users. The IPv6 address space is so huge, there's absolutely no > reason to be stingy with addresses. Well it can certainly be done, but I don't believe it was ever intended to be used that way in general. For tunnels it does somewhat make sense to offer. I don't think it is an option for non tunnels though. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 17:40:35 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 13:40:35 -0400 Subject: OT: First Names with Spaces In-Reply-To: <4DD53F2C.1080605-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DD53F2C.1080605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110519174035.GF21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:02:52PM -0400, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > In Italy some people's formal names have a space in them. My > grandmother's name in the records is for example "Anna Maria". > "Maria" in this case is not a middle name. Can most databases today > handle a space in the datafield? Databases can handle anything you want pretty much. It entirely depends on what the person writing code to use that data decides to handle. Some developers think they know better than reality and decide to check things that shouldn't be checked and reject things they believe to be wrong. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 18:06:40 2011 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 14:06:40 -0400 Subject: Tethering Android Tablet With Nokia 5230 Smartphone Message-ID: <4DD55C30.809@dinamis.com> Hello, I have a Nokia 5230 smartphone that I had purchased in December as a placeholder until the Android options at WIND and Mobilicity were palatable. I've since found that the Nokia is a great little phone, especially considering it's a fifth of the price of comparable Android-based options. I'm interested in getting an Android tablet so I was wondering if there is any way to tether one of those tablets via USB with the Nokia so that I can have Internet access while I'm away from WiFi. I've Googled but haven't found anything helpful. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 18:19:41 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 14:19:41 -0400 Subject: Tethering Android Tablet With Nokia 5230 Smartphone In-Reply-To: <4DD55C30.809-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4DD55C30.809@dinamis.com> Message-ID: I just got a htc desire hd (telus version) working on rogers (works on bell too, i.e. 850/1900/2100) it has a 4.5" screen and some people call it a tablet like phone, personally i consider it a "small" phone, in that i don't mind big. The reason i bring it up is, i read they have a hack of android 3.0 on it, and it will likely be one of the first for a final release 3.0 android all be it from cyanogen or others, not officially from google or htc. I am blown away with this phone. its over clockable to > 2.0 ghz, has 768 ram, and can run a full debian/ubuntu... whatever in chroot piped to screen with vnc (see plenty of youtube vids showing). Many may find this all in one type "larger phone" the perfect answer to a tablet, and its always with you. There is a guy in toronto (i bought it from) who seems to take the new phones people get from telus, who then don't want the android experience, or don't like the fact it can't go for 7-9 days on a charge like say a blackberry, but i get 80 hrs standby, and make it through a day easy with heavy use, 2 days with normal to heavy'ish use, and this guy resells them for 390$ no contract (of course). It is the number one phone in uk and Australia, so many people really love it, and it has exceeded my expectations in every way. I live in the sticks and get rogers 3.5 g, sometimes insane speeds. run skype on it 24/7 connected, and use that as my "phone" for LD, and tried it even in not so great 3g reception areas, and can maintain a reasonable call on skype, really solves expensive LD options, as i pay a whooping, i think, 3$ a month for unlimited NA LD!!! :) If having android 3.0 is a must for you, something to consider. If you combine the cost of phone tablet phone plans and such, you may find as i have, there simply is no better solution for having the most power out there now for extremely cheap overall. tl On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:06 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Hello, > > I have a Nokia 5230 smartphone that I had purchased in December as a > placeholder until the Android options at WIND and Mobilicity were palatable. > I've since found that the Nokia is a great little phone, especially > considering it's a fifth of the price of comparable Android-based options. > I'm interested in getting an Android tablet so I was wondering if there is > any way to tether one of those tablets via USB with the Nokia so that I can > have Internet access while I'm away from WiFi. I've Googled but haven't > found anything helpful. > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada ?M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 18:22:16 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 14:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: First Names with Spaces In-Reply-To: References: <4DD53F2C.1080605@gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Christopher Browne | There's enough strangeness about name ordering these days, as | different cultures have pretty different understandings of naming, | that it is getting less and less possible to treat such in a strict | fashion. Our governments aren't very good at this. Some organs don't even seem to handle the fact that I go by my middle name. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 18:25:14 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 14:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Cable modem users could get static IPs soon. In-Reply-To: <20110519173720.GD21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110519145744.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD53DC0.9090301@dinamis.com> <20110519173720.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | But it might use your other ISPs IP block in this case. Could happen | right? I wonder. I think that the cable plant routes internally on IP address so an IP address supplied by a different ISP might be problematic. This doesn't seem to be the case with ADSL. All that is done at the ATM level, I think. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 18:32:08 2011 From: ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Ori Idan) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 21:32:08 +0300 Subject: Cable modem users could get static IPs soon. In-Reply-To: References: <20110519145744.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD53DC0.9090301@dinamis.com> <20110519173720.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:25 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Lennart Sorensen > > | But it might use your other ISPs IP block in this case. Could happen > | right? > > I wonder. I think that the cable plant routes internally on IP > address so an IP address supplied by a different ISP might be > problematic. > As much as I know they run on one block of IP's internally and can give you IP addresses from blocks that belong to the IPS's. -- Ori Idan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 18:59:01 2011 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 14:59:01 -0400 Subject: Linux OLPC and Toronto Public Library WiFi In-Reply-To: <4DD54230.40007-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <24903_1305792621_p4J8ALjW000381_alpine.BSF.2.00.1105182345430.30520@vex.net> <4DD5243C.3000001@utoronto.ca> <4DD525D3.8030005@rogers.com> <4DD537F1.5080405@ss.org> <4DD54230.40007@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DD56875.9020105@ss.org> On 05/19/2011 12:15 PM, James Knott wrote: > Scott Sullivan wrote: >> The major problem in my experience has been that their DHCP lease >> times are too long for a frequency of clients. >> You'll sometimes half connect and fail to get an IP address as the >> whole pool is assigned and it's taking to long to verify a free address. > > Once you connect, you can verify the lease time. If it is excessive, > perhaps you could mention it to the IT staff. I actually have, but the WiFi is run by an outside company and I doubt they listened. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 19:30:57 2011 From: sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Steve Harvey) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 15:30:57 -0400 Subject: Linux OLPC and Toronto Public Library WiFi In-Reply-To: <4DD56875.9020105-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <24903_1305792621_p4J8ALjW000381_alpine.BSF.2.00.1105182345430.30520@vex.net> <4DD5243C.3000001@utoronto.ca> <4DD525D3.8030005@rogers.com> <4DD537F1.5080405@ss.org> <4DD54230.40007@rogers.com> <4DD56875.9020105@ss.org> Message-ID: <20110519193057.GJ58362@shell.vex.net> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 02:59:01PM -0400, Scott Sullivan wrote: > On 05/19/2011 12:15 PM, James Knott wrote: > > Scott Sullivan wrote: > >> The major problem in my experience has been that their DHCP lease > >> times are too long for a frequency of clients. > >> You'll sometimes half connect and fail to get an IP address as the > >> whole pool is assigned and it's taking to long to verify a free address. > > > > Once you connect, you can verify the lease time. If it is excessive, > > perhaps you could mention it to the IT staff. > > I actually have, but the WiFi is run by an outside company and I doubt > they listened. Last year when I had a problem with a port being blocked, the library help desk supplied me with a contact number for the "outside company". I explained my need (IPsec NAT-T) and they called me back about 5-10 minutes later and we verified that the problem was fixed. I was even able to convince them to change their permanent ruleset. A polite, well-reasoned request can go a long way. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 20:03:38 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 16:03:38 -0400 Subject: Cable modem users could get static IPs soon. In-Reply-To: References: <20110519145744.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD53DC0.9090301@dinamis.com> <20110519173720.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DD5779A.6020607@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I wonder. I think that the cable plant routes internally on IP > address so an IP address supplied by a different ISP might be > problematic. > Rogers uses 10.x.y.z addresses internally, however, there's no reason why other ISPs have to rely on Rogers for assigning addresses. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 20:06:11 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 16:06:11 -0400 Subject: Linux OLPC and Toronto Public Library WiFi In-Reply-To: <20110519193057.GJ58362-bEteefDXIgtmcu3hnIyYJQ@public.gmane.org> References: <24903_1305792621_p4J8ALjW000381_alpine.BSF.2.00.1105182345430.30520@vex.net> <4DD5243C.3000001@utoronto.ca> <4DD525D3.8030005@rogers.com> <4DD537F1.5080405@ss.org> <4DD54230.40007@rogers.com> <4DD56875.9020105@ss.org> <20110519193057.GJ58362@shell.vex.net> Message-ID: <4DD57833.7070101@rogers.com> Steve Harvey wrote: > Last year when I had a problem with a port being blocked, the library > help desk supplied me with a contact number for the "outside company". > I explained my need (IPsec NAT-T) and they called me back about 5-10 > minutes later and we verified that the problem was fixed. I was even > able to convince them to change their permanent ruleset. > Hmmm... I'll have to try that with the Mississauga library. Currently they block ssh, OpenVPN, 6in4 tunnelling and probably everything else that isn't a browser. However, it's less of a problem now that I can tether to my smart phone. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 20:10:41 2011 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 16:10:41 -0400 Subject: Tethering Android Tablet With Nokia 5230 Smartphone In-Reply-To: References: <4DD55C30.809@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <4DD57941.8030606@dinamis.com> On 05/19/2011 02:19 PM, ted leslie wrote: > I just got a htc desire hd (telus version) working on rogers (works > on bell too, i.e. 850/1900/2100) > it has a 4.5" screen and some people call it a tablet like phone, > personally i consider it a "small" phone, in that i don't mind big. I have no desire to move away from WIND Mobile, especially not to Rogers with their pricing. I'm also more interested in a larger tablet, like an iPad, rather than a larger phone. I like the form factor of the Nokia and don't really want or need something larger. It's the component stereo versus integrated stereo argument all over again. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 20:24:30 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 16:24:30 -0400 Subject: Cable modem users could get static IPs soon. In-Reply-To: <20110519173820.GE21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110519145744.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD532F1.7010209@rogers.com> <20110519153843.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD542EB.1000902@rogers.com> <20110519173820.GE21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DD57C7E.9040901@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:18:51PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > >> I believe single addresses are permitted, as the tunnel broker I >> deal with can provide both subnets and single addresses. My home >> network gets a subnet, but my notebook, when away from home can get >> a single address. Their client can be configured to do either. >> However, I agree about them handing out subnet to home& business >> users. The IPv6 address space is so huge, there's absolutely no >> reason to be stingy with addresses. >> > Well it can certainly be done, but I don't believe it was ever intended > to be used that way in general. For tunnels it does somewhat make sense > to offer. > > I don't think it is an option for non tunnels though. > > Comcat, in the U.S. is doing something interesting. One thing that's driving their switch to IPv6 is there's simply not enough RFC1918 IPv4 address to address only their equipment, let alone subscriber needs. So, they've moved to something called "Dual Stack Lite" where the customer gets IPv6 addresses and for connection to IPv4 addresses they use a 4in6 tunnel to a NAT server and then to the IPv4 internet. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 20:55:40 2011 From: adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 16:55:40 -0400 Subject: Cable modem users could get static IPs soon. In-Reply-To: References: <20110519145744.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD53DC0.9090301@dinamis.com> <20110519173720.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110519205540.GT22558@adb.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Lennart Sorensen > | But it might use your other ISPs IP block in this case. Could happen > | right? > > I wonder. I think that the cable plant routes internally on IP > address so an IP address supplied by a different ISP might be > problematic. Several years ago, when I was in the ISP business, the IANA/IETF Best Current Practices document said (inter alia) that we should filter so that customers could send packets from their assigned addresses only. This prevents compromised machines from taking part in DDoS games that involve sending packets forged as if coming from the victim's address. It turns out most ISPs didn't do this filtering, and we had a merry game of debugging with a customer who turned out to have two upstreams and was wondering why they could only use both sets of addresses if they default-routed through the other ISP. Bottom line is that a proper multi-homing solution ensures that packets from you that use the address assigned to you from whichever ISP actually go out on that same ISP's link. Playing fast and loose shouldn't work, or may stop working at some future point. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 21:25:51 2011 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 06:25:51 +0900 Subject: OT: First Names with Spaces In-Reply-To: References: <4DD53F2C.1080605@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 3:22 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Our governments aren't very good at this. ?Some organs don't even seem to > handle the fact that I go by my middle name. Heh. I was singled out as a 'person of interest' or something on a flight this week. They had someone come to my seat to confirm who the heck I was, passport and all. As soon as they left me, the doors locked and we took off. I looked so cool :) I used to just go by Matthew Rice. If my plane ticket doesn't say that, I don't get the air miles. However, they now want more full names when you supply passport info...I called aeroplan/air canada to change my name on the card and they wanted the Vogon equivalent of a request to save my life. Stalemate. D, us single lettered first namers have to stick together. It's gonna get worse than being a ginger: http://vimeo.com/11219730 Nobody watch this if anything offends you; it's banned on youtube so it's gotta be bad. Am I right or am I right? Or am I right? TTFN, G -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 22:21:02 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 18:21:02 -0400 Subject: Cable modem users could get static IPs soon. In-Reply-To: <20110519205540.GT22558-SACILpcuo74@public.gmane.org> References: <20110519145744.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD53DC0.9090301@dinamis.com> <20110519173720.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110519205540.GT22558@adb.ca> Message-ID: <4DD597CE.70900@rogers.com> Anthony de Boer wrote: > Bottom line is that a proper multi-homing solution ensures that packets > from you that use the address assigned to you from whichever ISP actually > go out on that same ISP's link. Playing fast and loose shouldn't work, > or may stop working at some future point. > Actually, IPv6 supports multiple routes out of a network. You could have two or more connections to ISPs and addresses on each. Then it really gets fun when you add mobile IPv6 and have forwarding addresses etc. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu May 19 22:38:38 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 18:38:38 -0400 Subject: Cable modem users could get static IPs soon. In-Reply-To: <4DD542EB.1000902-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110519145744.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD532F1.7010209@rogers.com> <20110519153843.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD542EB.1000902@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110519223838.GA13082@waltdnes.org> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:18:51PM -0400, James Knott wrote > The IPv6 address space is so huge, there's absolutely no reason to > be stingy with addresses. That's what they once said about IPV4. I don't like this waste, essentially handing out the equivalant of 4 billion times the size of the entire IPV4 address space to each customer. I fear that this may come back to bite us one day. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 20 01:55:58 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 21:55:58 -0400 Subject: Cable modem users could get static IPs soon. In-Reply-To: <20110519223838.GA13082-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110519145744.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD532F1.7010209@rogers.com> <20110519153843.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD542EB.1000902@rogers.com> <20110519223838.GA13082@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4DD5CA2E.10304@rogers.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:18:51PM -0400, James Knott wrote > > >> The IPv6 address space is so huge, there's absolutely no reason to >> be stingy with addresses. >> > That's what they once said about IPV4. I don't like this waste, > essentially handing out the equivalant of 4 billion times the size of > the entire IPV4 address space to each customer. I fear that this may > come back to bite us one day. > > Of course, looking at it from the other end, there's the same number of subnets as there are addresses within one of those subnets. It's an absolutely huge number. also, currently only 1/8th of the available IPv6 addresses are currently assigned to unicast addresses. Over 3/4s of the address range has yet to be allocated for anything. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Fri May 20 05:56:57 2011 From: gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Eric Battersby) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 01:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux OLPC and Toronto Public Library WiFi In-Reply-To: <4DD537F1.5080405-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <24903_1305792621_p4J8ALjW000381_alpine.BSF.2.00.1105182345430.30520@vex.net> <4DD5243C.3000001@utoronto.ca> <4DD525D3.8030005@rogers.com> <4DD537F1.5080405@ss.org> Message-ID: I went to the Library yesterday and called Tech Support. It was all hit and miss; he got my MAC address from the IP. He tried to make an exception, and said it would be permanent for my branch only. I had to disconnect the WiFi and reconnect a few times, and reboot once. I still never got to the End User Agreement. I never got their nameserver, 4.2.2.3, to resolve. I could not ping their router, 10.1.55.1 . At the end, I was able to get an external ping (by IP) to work, but the library was closing. On Thu, 19 May 2011, Scott Sullivan wrote: > On 05/19/2011 10:14 AM, James Knott wrote: > > Jamon Camisso wrote: > > > Not sure if it still applies, I ended up calling their tech support > > > before visiting and letting them know my MAC address and that I used > > > Linux. Not sure what was done, but it has never not worked since. > > What is it that the Toronto library does differently? I have often used my > > Linux computer, along with Nokia N800, Google Nexus One smart phone and even > > an Asus WL-330gE portable access point in the Mississauga library without > > any problems. > > I own an OLPC XO as well and haven't had issue using the TPL wifi once I'm > able to connect. Scott, do you mean that it worked the first time without any modification or tech support help? > The major problem in my experience has been that their DHCP lease times are > too long for a frequency of clients. > You'll sometimes half connect and fail to get an IP address as the whole pool > is assigned and it's taking to long to verify a free address. I did get an IP, but tech support claimed that I dropped off, when that was not my observation. -- Eric. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri May 20 11:14:52 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:14:52 -0400 Subject: Cable modem users could get static IPs soon. In-Reply-To: <20110519223838.GA13082-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110519145744.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD532F1.7010209@rogers.com> <20110519153843.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD542EB.1000902@rogers.com> <20110519223838.GA13082@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On 19 May 2011 18:38, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:18:51PM -0400, James Knott wrote > >> The IPv6 address space is so huge, there's absolutely no reason to >> be stingy with addresses. > > ?That's what they once said about IPV4. ?I don't like this waste, > essentially handing out the equivalant of 4 billion times the size of > the entire IPV4 address space to each customer. ?I fear that this may > come back to bite us one day. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri May 20 13:56:14 2011 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 09:56:14 -0400 Subject: Linux OLPC and Toronto Public Library WiFi In-Reply-To: References: <24903_1305792621_p4J8ALjW000381_alpine.BSF.2.00.1105182345430.30520@vex.net> <4DD5243C.3000001@utoronto.ca> <4DD525D3.8030005@rogers.com> <4DD537F1.5080405@ss.org> Message-ID: <4DD672FE.3020402@ss.org> > On Thu, 19 May 2011, Scott Sullivan wrote: > >> I own an OLPC XO as well and haven't had issue using the TPL wifi once I'm >> able to connect. > Scott, do you mean that it worked the first time without any > modification or tech support help? > To the best of my memory that is correct. I will admit that it's been well over a year since I last did it. It did also take a couple of tries to connect due to the DHCP leasing issue, but I've experience that with my netbook as well. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri May 20 14:18:28 2011 From: avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Volkov) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 10:18:28 -0400 Subject: Linux OLPC and Toronto Public Library WiFi In-Reply-To: References: <24903_1305792621_p4J8ALjW000381_alpine.BSF.2.00.1105182345430.30520@vex.net> <4DD5243C.3000001@utoronto.ca> <4DD525D3.8030005@rogers.com> <4DD537F1.5080405@ss.org> Message-ID: Actually I've used these dns servers 4.2.2.1 4.2.2.2 4.2.2.3 These are actually are not 'their' servers. These are servers on the internet much like Google dns (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 btw) that provide non-authoritative domain resolution. I used these to set up DNS for people connected to Rogers as the company has a nasty habit of redirecting domain resolution failure responses to their catch-all website. Anyway a proper set up would be to use residental gateway to talk to one or more on these servers and the router in turn would serve DNS request, also a handy thing would be to set up dnsmasq to cache all the requests, I don't know why the library people set up their network in this way. Alex. On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 1:56 AM, Eric Battersby wrote: > I went to the Library yesterday and called Tech Support. ?It > was all hit and miss; he got my MAC address from the IP. ?He > tried to make an exception, and said it would be permanent for > my branch only. ?I had to disconnect the WiFi and reconnect a > few times, and reboot once. > > I still never got to the End User Agreement. > I never got their nameserver, 4.2.2.3, to resolve. > I could not ping their router, 10.1.55.1 . > At the end, I was able to get an external ping (by IP) to work, > but the library was closing. > > > On Thu, 19 May 2011, Scott Sullivan wrote: > >> On 05/19/2011 10:14 AM, James Knott wrote: >> > Jamon Camisso wrote: >> > > Not sure if it still applies, I ended up calling their tech support >> > > before visiting and letting them know my MAC address and that I used >> > > Linux. Not sure what was done, but it has never not worked since. >> > What is it that the Toronto library does differently? ?I have often used my >> > Linux computer, along with Nokia N800, Google Nexus One smart phone and even >> > an Asus WL-330gE portable access point in the Mississauga library without >> > any problems. >> >> I own an OLPC XO as well and haven't had issue using the TPL wifi once I'm >> able to connect. > > Scott, do you mean that it worked the first time without any > modification or tech support help? > >> The major problem in my experience has been that their DHCP lease times are >> too long for a frequency of clients. >> You'll sometimes half connect and fail to get an IP address as the whole pool >> is assigned and it's taking to long to verify a free address. > > I did get an IP, but tech support claimed that I dropped off, > when that was not my observation. > > -- > Eric. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri May 20 15:04:59 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 11:04:59 -0400 Subject: Cable modem users could get static IPs soon. In-Reply-To: <4DD57C7E.9040901-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110519145744.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD532F1.7010209@rogers.com> <20110519153843.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD542EB.1000902@rogers.com> <20110519173820.GE21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DD57C7E.9040901@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DD6831B.4070001@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:18:51PM -0400, James Knott wrote: >>> I believe single addresses are permitted, as the tunnel broker I >>> deal with can provide both subnets and single addresses. My home >>> network gets a subnet, but my notebook, when away from home can get >>> a single address. Their client can be configured to do either. >>> However, I agree about them handing out subnet to home& business >>> users. The IPv6 address space is so huge, there's absolutely no >>> reason to be stingy with addresses. >> Well it can certainly be done, but I don't believe it was ever intended >> to be used that way in general. For tunnels it does somewhat make sense >> to offer. >> >> I don't think it is an option for non tunnels though. >> > > Comcat, in the U.S. is doing something interesting. One thing that's > driving their switch to IPv6 is there's simply not enough RFC1918 IPv4 > address to address only their equipment, let alone subscriber needs. > So, they've moved to something called "Dual Stack Lite" where the > customer gets IPv6 addresses and for connection to IPv4 addresses they > use a 4in6 tunnel to a NAT server and then to the IPv4 internet. > Here's an article about Comcast's Dual Stack Lite: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/072108-comcast-ipv6.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri May 20 19:48:20 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 15:48:20 -0400 Subject: Acer Iconia (nVidia Tegra 250, Android 3.0) - what do you think? Message-ID: <20110520194820.GA4546@node1.opengeometry.net> What do you think of Acer Iconia nVidia Tegra 250 Android 3.0 version? $499 at and . -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon May 23 18:34:38 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 14:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: cheap netbook based on AMD C-50 Message-ID: This seems like quite a good price ($240 until May 27) for a netbook with nice features: Might be hard to find: out of stock online. You might be able to get an even better price by price matching at Staples. I find that they often manage to evade price matches. Things of note: + this uses the new AMD C-50 which is a lot like an Atom but a bit faster CPU and a lot better video. In a lot of ways this is like an Atom-based system with the nVidia ION chipset. Few Atom netbooks have the ION; none are inexpensive. - can handle HD video from a decoder standpoint (ordinary Atom-based systems cannot) - HDMI out; no VGA out. - 1280 x 720 screen (vs 1024 x 600 on most Atom-based netbooks) - largish battery. I think Atom-without-ION notebooks use a bit less power. - 1G RAM. If I bought one, I'd immediately hunt for a large cheap SODIMM. 4G works (but isn't fully used by Windows7 Starter). - bilingual keyboard. Intellectually, I think this is a great feature. My fingers feel quite the opposite. - ethernet is 1G - Acer quality isn't stellar I have not used one of these. If I needed a netbook, I'd seriously consider this one. Best Buy has had this at $250 a couple of times. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From self_same_self-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon May 23 19:06:41 2011 From: self_same_self-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sammy Lao) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 15:06:41 -0400 Subject: cheap netbook based on AMD C-50 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This might be a better bet at $50. It includes 2GB of RAM as well as Microsoft Windows Premium vs Starter. http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/acer-acer-11-6-amd-c50-processor-laptop-ao722-bz610-ao722-bz610/10170542.aspx?path=34b2b92c3c80e7744575995e403b1cf7en02 Having used a bunch of netbooks a few years ago, I found the 11.6" screen to be far more useable than 10.1". The keyboard also tends to be more useable when the screen is bigger (obviously.) The screen should be 1366x768. There is a typo on the Future Shop site. http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model/LU.SB002.197 On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 2:34 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > This seems like quite a good price ($240 until May 27) for a netbook with > nice features: > < > http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/acer-acer-10-1-amd-c-50-netbook-ao522-bz499-black-ao522-bz499/10161870.aspx?path=494aefa7bc9ffca3da0d08c43abc476ben02 > > > Might be hard to find: out of stock online. > > You might be able to get an even better price by price matching at > Staples. I find that they often manage to evade price matches. > < > http://forums.redflagdeals.com/acer-ao522-bz499-fusion-netbook-239-99-fs-pm-staples-50-coupon-1040839/ > > > > Things of note: > > + this uses the new AMD C-50 which is a lot like an Atom but a bit > faster CPU and a lot better video. In a lot of ways this is like > an Atom-based system with the nVidia ION chipset. Few Atom netbooks > have the ION; none are inexpensive. > > - can handle HD video from a decoder standpoint (ordinary Atom-based > systems cannot) > > - HDMI out; no VGA out. > > - 1280 x 720 screen (vs 1024 x 600 on most Atom-based netbooks) > > - largish battery. I think Atom-without-ION notebooks use a bit less > power. > > - 1G RAM. If I bought one, I'd immediately hunt for a large cheap > SODIMM. 4G works (but isn't fully used by Windows7 Starter). > > - bilingual keyboard. Intellectually, I think this is a great feature. > My fingers feel quite the opposite. > > - ethernet is 1G > > - Acer quality isn't stellar > > I have not used one of these. If I needed a netbook, I'd seriously > consider this one. > > Best Buy has had this at $250 a couple of times. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue May 24 17:20:30 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:20:30 -0400 Subject: Acer Iconia (nVidia Tegra 250, Android 3.0) - what do you think? In-Reply-To: <20110520194820.GA4546-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110520194820.GA4546@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110524172030.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 03:48:20PM -0400, William Park wrote: > What do you think of Acer Iconia nVidia Tegra 250 Android 3.0 version? > > $499 at and . Looks like nice hardware. Shame about the OS choice. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue May 24 18:10:17 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 14:10:17 -0400 Subject: cheap netbook based on AMD C-50 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110524181017.GH21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 02:34:38PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > This seems like quite a good price ($240 until May 27) for a netbook with > nice features: > > Might be hard to find: out of stock online. > > You might be able to get an even better price by price matching at > Staples. I find that they often manage to evade price matches. > > > Things of note: > > + this uses the new AMD C-50 which is a lot like an Atom but a bit > faster CPU and a lot better video. In a lot of ways this is like > an Atom-based system with the nVidia ION chipset. Few Atom netbooks > have the ION; none are inexpensive. - It has ATI video hardware and hence drivers. No thanks. > - can handle HD video from a decoder standpoint (ordinary Atom-based > systems cannot) > > - HDMI out; no VGA out. > > - 1280 x 720 screen (vs 1024 x 600 on most Atom-based netbooks) > > - largish battery. I think Atom-without-ION notebooks use a bit less > power. > > - 1G RAM. If I bought one, I'd immediately hunt for a large cheap > SODIMM. 4G works (but isn't fully used by Windows7 Starter). > > - bilingual keyboard. Intellectually, I think this is a great feature. > My fingers feel quite the opposite. Well that's not workable. I use a US layout keyboard but I have no problem with other languages (since I actually use the Netherland's USB Mac international layout, which is a multilingual layout for PC104 keyboards and fully US compatible (no keys are moved). Best keyboard layout ever). > - ethernet is 1G > > - Acer quality isn't stellar Hmm, no thanks. > I have not used one of these. If I needed a netbook, I'd seriously > consider this one. > > Best Buy has had this at $250 a couple of times. Get an Asus, with a proper keyboard. Canada computers and others have lots of options. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue May 24 22:49:14 2011 From: solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (solarflow99) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 18:49:14 -0400 Subject: ram Message-ID: I just thought i'd ask if anyone wants a 1GB stick of DDR-400, i'd be glad to trade for 2 512 sticks if anyone has them, and would be willing to make a deal, just let me know.. 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Our infrastructure and management need to expand, so it is almost a carte blanche for any cool stuff you'd like to run with. These are examples of infrastructure things I'm presently working on that you'd be involved in: *monitoring using Zenoss *setup puppet, chef or cfengine *Nagios monitoring expansion, with a focus on ease of administration by using NConf *enhance our deployment structure by setting up something like FOG *expand virtualization in our testing and development environment *there are piles and piles of things to be done We are located in Cambridge Ontario. You can email me if you have questions at all. john. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed May 25 14:33:43 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:33:43 -0400 Subject: Linux Position at my company In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110525143343.GI21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 07:10:15PM -0400, John Miles wrote: > Just an FYI - we have just posted a Linux Administrator position on > Monster.ca today. > > http://jobview.monster.ca/IS-Systems-Administrator-Job-Cambridget-ON-CA-99673414.aspx > > Essentially you'd be managing Intrusion Detection and Logging sensors > running on a Ubuntu platform around the globe. > > This involves every possible part of Linux and Network administration you > could think of. > This is very bleeding edge; we presently have 2 PHD's on the development > team. > You would be learning to use argus, tcpdump, snort, etc. That is just the > maintenance and Sysadmin tasks related to the IDS systems. Our > infrastructure and management need to expand, so it is almost a carte > blanche for any cool stuff you'd like to run with. > > These are examples of infrastructure things I'm presently working on that > you'd be involved in: > *monitoring using Zenoss > *setup puppet, chef or cfengine > *Nagios monitoring expansion, with a focus on ease of administration by > using NConf > *enhance our deployment structure by setting up something like FOG > *expand virtualization in our testing and development environment > *there are piles and piles of things to be done > > We are located in Cambridge Ontario. > > You can email me if you have questions at all. I keep wondering if I am the only person that doesn't believe in IDS as a useful concept. :) As far as I see it, if you can detect something is bad, then you could have blocked it from ever being allowed in by the firewall in the first place. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 25 14:42:21 2011 From: solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (solarflow99) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:42:21 -0400 Subject: Linux Position at my company In-Reply-To: <20110525143343.GI21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110525143343.GI21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: thats what IPS is for:) > I keep wondering if I am the only person that doesn't believe in IDS as > a useful concept. :) > > As far as I see it, if you can detect something is bad, then you could > have blocked it from ever being allowed in by the firewall in the > first place. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed May 25 15:03:59 2011 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:03:59 -0400 Subject: Linux Position at my company In-Reply-To: <20110525143343.GI21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110525143343.GI21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DDD1A5F.4060001@gmail.com> On 5/25/2011 10:33 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I keep wondering if I am the only person that doesn't believe in IDS as > a useful concept. :) > > As far as I see it, if you can detect something is bad, then you could > have blocked it from ever being allowed in by the firewall in the > first place. > I half-agree. IDSes should be deployed inside the perimeter, let the firewall lop off the noise from the Internet... but IDSes are essential for large networks. When you're inside the perimeter, you don't detect that something is bad. You detect that something requires further investigation. Other advantages: - Through portspans and taps, you're able to inspect what's going on inside the network and not just the perimeter. - You can see signature based information rather than inferring content based on port/protocol - Pumping the output into an event correlation engine can help raise priority on things like "if some guy was just portscanning the subnet, raise the severity of subsequent brute-force attempts" Very little traffic is black and white these days. Note too that IDS doesn't make a lot of sense in-house because the size of the team to monitor the correlation engine 24x7x365 is very expensive. So industry standard practice is to deploy the IDSes/IPSes at the customer premises, and have a third party monitor the feeds. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed May 25 15:39:23 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 08:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux Position at my company In-Reply-To: <4DDD1A5F.4060001-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110525143343.GI21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DDD1A5F.4060001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <719762.791.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >________________________________ >From: Mike Kallies >To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:03:59 AM >Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Linux Position at my company > >On 5/25/2011 10:33 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> I keep wondering if I am the only person that doesn't believe in IDS as >> a useful concept. :) >> >> As far as I see it, if you can detect something is bad, then you could >> have blocked it from ever being allowed in by the firewall in the >> first place. >> > >I half-agree.? IDSes should be deployed inside the perimeter, let the >firewall lop off the noise from the Internet... but IDSes are essential >for large networks.? When you're inside the perimeter, you don't detect >that something is bad.? You detect that something requires further >investigation. > >Other advantages: >- Through portspans and taps, you're able to inspect what's going on >inside the network and not just the perimeter. >- You can see signature based information rather than inferring content >based on port/protocol >- Pumping the output into an event correlation engine can help raise >priority on things like "if some guy was just portscanning the subnet, >raise the severity of subsequent brute-force attempts" Can you expand on "event correlation engine"?? Any examples? > >Very little traffic is black and white these days. > >Note too that IDS doesn't make a lot of sense in-house because the size >of the team to monitor the correlation engine 24x7x365 is very >expensive.? So industry standard practice is to deploy the IDSes/IPSes >at the customer premises, and have a third party monitor the feeds. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 26 16:03:05 2011 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 12:03:05 -0400 Subject: Linux Position at my company In-Reply-To: <719762.791.qm-iGg6QNsgFOH6X00i2u5GFvu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <20110525143343.GI21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DDD1A5F.4060001@gmail.com> <719762.791.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:39 AM, William Park wrote: > ... > Can you expand on "event correlation engine"?? Any examples? Arcsight is the best example, it might be the best tool by far. There are others... I evaluated them briefly, but they weren't in the same league. You can do stuff like feed vulnerability scan results, syslog and firewall data as well as IDS/IPS activity into the tool, and it can make intelligent decisions. I'd only recommend this stuff for enterprises and security firms selling it as a service. It's just not worth the team required to watch the screens. (2 people, three shifts + weekend and holiday shifts + management = ~9-10 staff @ $50k/year + computers, real-estate, software licensing etc.etc.... =~$600k-$1M/year) Small business, I'd just suggest keeping things as simple as possible, automate alerting as much as possible and tighten the firewall rules to the max. Mid-sized businesses are a more complex problem and should probably outsource for the service. I wouldn't be surprised if some kind of SIEM project or event correlation research is what John's working on :-) -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Thu May 26 18:52:30 2011 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 14:52:30 -0400 Subject: electrocomputerwarehouse Message-ID: Any comments good or bad .I'm looking for a refurb laptop. They have a dell d620 for 250 ... Dave Cramer VP Software Development Visible Assets Inc. www.visibleassets.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu May 26 19:07:06 2011 From: jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Miles) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 15:07:06 -0400 Subject: Linux Position at my company In-Reply-To: References: <20110525143343.GI21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DDD1A5F.4060001@gmail.com> <719762.791.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes - event correlation is an integral part to what we do. There is then the action one can take on that traffic, and that is also a very important thing we do. An then, there is the propagation of what we learn that then immediately benefits all the other environments we manage. An interesting part of this whole process the presentation and organization of the information one obtains. It is all well and good to detect something and alert on it but some interesting things had to be done within the alerting mechanisms and monitoring portals to keep the humans able to digest such a wide range of notifications. It is interesting; it is almost as hazardous to 'over-alert', than it is to raise fewer alerts. Anyhoo - all I can say, is it is a very interesting business to be a part of, and really awesome how Linux is an integral and permanent part of it. John. On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Mike Kallies wrote: > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:39 AM, William Park > wrote: > > > ... > > Can you expand on "event correlation engine"? Any examples? > > Arcsight is the best example, it might be the best tool by far. There > are others... I evaluated them briefly, but they weren't in the same > league. > > You can do stuff like feed vulnerability scan results, syslog and > firewall data as well as IDS/IPS activity into the tool, and it can > make intelligent decisions. I'd only recommend this stuff for > enterprises and security firms selling it as a service. It's just not > worth the team required to watch the screens. (2 people, three shifts > + weekend and holiday shifts + management = ~9-10 staff @ $50k/year + > computers, real-estate, software licensing etc.etc.... > =~$600k-$1M/year) > > Small business, I'd just suggest keeping things as simple as possible, > automate alerting as much as possible and tighten the firewall rules > to the max. Mid-sized businesses are a more complex problem and > should probably outsource for the service. > > I wouldn't be surprised if some kind of SIEM project or event > correlation research is what John's working on :-) > > -Mike > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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IDSes should be deployed inside the perimeter, let the > firewall lop off the noise from the Internet... but IDSes are essential > for large networks. When you're inside the perimeter, you don't detect > that something is bad. You detect that something requires further > investigation. > > Other advantages: > - Through portspans and taps, you're able to inspect what's going on > inside the network and not just the perimeter. > - You can see signature based information rather than inferring content > based on port/protocol > - Pumping the output into an event correlation engine can help raise > priority on things like "if some guy was just portscanning the subnet, > raise the severity of subsequent brute-force attempts" > > Very little traffic is black and white these days. > > Note too that IDS doesn't make a lot of sense in-house because the size > of the team to monitor the correlation engine 24x7x365 is very > expensive. So industry standard practice is to deploy the IDSes/IPSes > at the customer premises, and have a third party monitor the feeds. > > > -Mike > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu May 26 20:42:16 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 16:42:16 -0400 Subject: electrocomputerwarehouse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110526204216.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 02:52:30PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > Any comments good or bad .I'm looking for a refurb laptop. They have a > dell d620 for 250 ... Dell laptops are in general very awful. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu May 26 20:54:30 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 13:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Canadacomputers.com Sales Message-ID: <599937.65745.qm@web113411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In case you're looking for parts, Canadacomputers.com is having 20th anniversary and grand opening sales. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Fri May 27 03:48:51 2011 From: gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Eric Battersby) Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 23:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: electrocomputerwarehouse In-Reply-To: <20110526204216.GJ21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110526204216.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 May 2011, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 02:52:30PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > > Any comments good or bad .I'm looking for a refurb laptop. They have a > > dell d620 for 250 ... > > Dell laptops are in general very awful. Please clarify; in what way? For running Linux, or hardware-wise? Interfacing to newer hardware? I have no experience with the Dell Dxxx laptop series. 4 years ago I bought a Dell C640 with 256MB RAM for $300 because I was familiar with the model (since it was used in many large corporations) and I had extra compatible peripherals lying around. Specs: P4, 2Ghz speed, 1GiB max RAM (advertised), but 2GiB max RAM (actual). It didn't have WiFi, or USB2. It came with a lame non-Dell battery (I should have checked). The Dell removable DVD reader cannot read CDs burned past 650MB, so some Live-CDs didn't work. The PCMCIA USB2 card I got had issues with newer SATA drives. Getting a SATA to IDE adaptor might have helped if it would fit into an external case. Don't expect the latest Fedora to work well. Otherwise, running CentOS, I am generally satisfied with it. -- Eric. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri May 27 04:33:16 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 00:33:16 -0400 Subject: electrocomputerwarehouse In-Reply-To: <20110526204216.GJ21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110526204216.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110527043316.GA19947@yam.witteman.ca> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 04:42:16PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 02:52:30PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: >> Any comments good or bad .I'm looking for a refurb laptop. They have a >> dell d620 for 250 ... > >Dell laptops are in general very awful. I'm with Lennart on this - the Dell laptops I take care of at work are crappy. The keyboards and trackpad buttons on them tend to crap out after minor use, they are always slower (using Windows, Linux *may* be better) then you would think their hardware warrants, and they are needlessly heavy. Also, the $250 seems high for a refurb laptop - similarly specced laptops (and other D620s) are going for half that. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They have a >>> dell d620 for 250 ... >> >>Dell laptops are in general very awful. > > I'm with Lennart on this - the Dell laptops I take care of at work are > crappy. ?The keyboards and trackpad buttons on them tend to crap out > after minor use, they are always slower (using Windows, Linux *may* be > better) then you would think their hardware warrants, and they are > needlessly heavy. > > Also, the $250 seems high for a refurb laptop - similarly specced > laptops (and other D620s) are going for half that. > -- > Where would I find these laptops ? Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri May 27 11:43:08 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 07:43:08 -0400 Subject: electrocomputerwarehouse In-Reply-To: References: <20110526204216.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110527043316.GA19947@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20110527114308.GA23950@yam.witteman.ca> >> Also, the $250 seems high for a refurb laptop - similarly specced >> laptops (and other D620s) are going for half that. >Where would I find these laptops ? Google? When I was looking at the specs of the laptop mentioned I saw a bunch of mentions of laptops at these low prices. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Fri May 27 12:31:09 2011 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 08:31:09 -0400 Subject: electrocomputerwarehouse In-Reply-To: <20110527114308.GA23950-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110526204216.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110527043316.GA19947@yam.witteman.ca> <20110527114308.GA23950@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 7:43 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >>> Also, the $250 seems high for a refurb laptop - similarly specced >>> laptops (and other D620s) are going for half that. > >>Where would I find these laptops ? > > Google? ?When I was looking at the specs of the laptop mentioned I saw a > bunch of mentions of laptops at these low prices. > -- > > yours, > > William > Well, shipping becomes an issue at some point. Most of what I found was in the states. Dave > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri May 27 15:47:13 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 11:47:13 -0400 Subject: electrocomputerwarehouse In-Reply-To: References: <20110526204216.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110527154713.GK21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:48:51PM -0400, Eric Battersby wrote: > Please clarify; in what way? For being unreliable crap. > For running Linux, or hardware-wise? > Interfacing to newer hardware? > I have no experience with the Dell Dxxx laptop series. > > 4 years ago I bought a Dell C640 with 256MB RAM for $300 > because I was familiar with the model (since it was used in > many large corporations) and I had extra compatible > peripherals lying around. Specs: P4, 2Ghz speed, 1GiB max RAM > (advertised), but 2GiB max RAM (actual). > It didn't have WiFi, or USB2. It came with a lame non-Dell > battery (I should have checked). The number of Dell laptops about 5 years ago that had the charging circuit fail was insane. And Dell didn't care because well they were outside warrenty when it happened in most cases (one at work failed after 6 months so at least the warrenty covered that, but that along with other reliability issues meant work switched to thinkpads instead. The Dells just broke way too easily.) The P4 should never have been put in a laptop in the first place (nor Desktops really, but that's another issue). My wife's 2ghz athlon64 laptop she got 7 years ago had better specs than that (wifi, USB2, 2GB ram). Unfortunately HP/compaq had a major design flaw in the power connector that kept breaking that was a hassle. > The Dell removable DVD reader cannot read CDs burned past > 650MB, so some Live-CDs didn't work. That's pathetic. But I guess when you pick hardware based purely on cost, you get such issues. > The PCMCIA USB2 card I got had issues with newer SATA drives. > Getting a SATA to IDE adaptor might have helped > if it would fit into an external case. > Don't expect the latest Fedora to work well. > > Otherwise, running CentOS, I am generally satisfied with it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri May 27 16:06:17 2011 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 12:06:17 -0400 Subject: electrocomputerwarehouse In-Reply-To: References: <20110526204216.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110527043316.GA19947@yam.witteman.ca> <20110527114308.GA23950@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <4DDFCBF9.7090207@gmail.com> On 5/27/2011 8:31 AM, Dave Cramer wrote: > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 7:43 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman > wrote: >>>> Also, the $250 seems high for a refurb laptop - similarly specced >>>> laptops (and other D620s) are going for half that. >> >>> Where would I find these laptops ? >> >> Google? When I was looking at the specs of the laptop mentioned I saw a >> bunch of mentions of laptops at these low prices. >> -- >> >> yours, >> >> William >> > > Well, shipping becomes an issue at some point. Most of what I found > was in the states. The IBM refurb site isn't bad if you're going to load Linux on the stuff (They're still throwing WinXP on refurbs... no point in using it as a Windows machine) I wouldn't recommend a refurb to anyone these days though: - warranty is bad - batteries rarely last much longer than the warranty and are expensive to replace - new machines are cheap these days I'd get a disposable netbook before considering a refurb business class laptop. Depends on your needs though. New machines come up on the list all the time, so you might just want to bookmark it and watch to see if they get a shipment of a model you like. Keep in mind, they're used machines. I ordered one back in 2006 and it smelled like perfume for 6 months... although as a business class machine, it's travelled the world, never broke down and is still operational. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri May 27 17:15:48 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 13:15:48 -0400 Subject: electrocomputerwarehouse In-Reply-To: <4DDFCBF9.7090207-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110526204216.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110527043316.GA19947@yam.witteman.ca> <20110527114308.GA23950@yam.witteman.ca> <4DDFCBF9.7090207@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've been very happy with the two ThinkPads I've got from Laptopcloseout.com One of them's doing sterling duty as my ham shack computer, running Ubuntu. They do repairs in-house in Yorkville, and are helpful (if a bit gruff). Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ - 73 de VA3PID -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I remember a considerable period during which I knew a desktop computer would cost be about $2000, all that changed was what it could do for that money. For example, my Kaypro II cost $2295 -- a Z80 with 64k and two floppy drives. Come to think of it, my current desktop cost ~$2k, but that's because about $1100 was my 30" monitor. Sure beats my Kaypro (24x80 character 9" mono screen). Over that 30 years, the CPU has increased more than 1000-fold and RAM capacity about 100,000 but the screen has improved more like 10. A used computer is so cheap these days that the store overhead has to significantly add to the price. New notebooks come with a better warranty than used ones. I think that warranties are particularly useful with notebooks since they are harder to fix yourself. I posted a netbook deal which is still on (barely) for $239.99. I think that I'd pick that over a used d620 at the same price. Lennart clearly explained why neither is up to his standards. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri May 27 17:46:11 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 13:46:11 -0400 Subject: electrocomputerwarehouse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110527174611.GL21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 01:18:58PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > It depends how important price is to you. If you listen to Lennart, > you will always pay more and get a higher quality device. I paid $900 for my new thinkpad 2 years ago. It has been an amazing machine so far. Well worth it. > I'm impressed by the price-performance of many new notebooks these > days. One side-effect of "inexpensive" is that the products may be > flimsy -- electronic components get less expensive most of the time but > mechanical components don't. My wife has an EeepC 1008HA (the very thin one), which she likes, but it is a bit flimsy. In fact she has two (she broke the keyboard somehow on the first one when it was a year and a half old, and bought another on sale at the time). Recently the hinge broke off the new one, so we swapped the top half of the old one onto the new one. She now has a half pink and half black EeePC. The netbooks are practically getting into the disposable computers price range (and durability). I don't personally want an EeePC. I find them impossible to work with, but my wife likes hers. Of course she can always ssh to her desktop to do real work from either the EeePC or her symbian phone. > I think that used and off-lease computers made a lot more sense when > new ones were way more expensive than they are now. I remember a > considerable period during which I knew a desktop computer would cost > be about $2000, all that changed was what it could do for that money. > For example, my Kaypro II cost $2295 -- a Z80 with 64k and two floppy > drives. A new one can have the features you want, and warrenty, and a brand new battery. > Come to think of it, my current desktop cost ~$2k, but that's because > about $1100 was my 30" monitor. Sure beats my Kaypro (24x80 character > 9" mono screen). Over that 30 years, the CPU has increased more than > 1000-fold and RAM capacity about 100,000 but the screen has improved > more like 10. $1100 for a 30" is amazing, when you consider a 21" CRT was $3000 a decade ago. I remember having a giant 213MB harddisk and 16MB of ram. I have 4GB ram in my laptop and 320GB harddisk and it cost a lot less too. Now if only disk speeds would improve a bit quicker. > A used computer is so cheap these days that the store overhead has > to significantly add to the price. > > New notebooks come with a better warranty than used ones. I think > that warranties are particularly useful with notebooks since they are > harder to fix yourself. > > I posted a netbook deal which is still on (barely) for $239.99. I think > that I'd pick that over a used d620 at the same price. Lennart clearly > explained why neither is up to his standards. I don't like things that break. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri May 27 20:22:34 2011 From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 16:22:34 -0400 Subject: sftp Message-ID: Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone could offer me some advice. When someone logs in to a server using sftp, can I have a login script execute? And another script execute when they log out? I tried editing /etc/bash.bash_logout and /etc/bash.bashrc only to discover a sftp connection does not spawn a shell. Thanks! 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I tried editing /etc/bash.bash_logout and > /etc/bash.bashrc only to discover a sftp connection does not spawn a shell. sftp runs using a subsystem, not the shell. This makes it simple to chroot and such, and works for users without shell access. I have never checked if you can do anything scripted around sftp. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat May 28 02:31:19 2011 From: edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (edward chin) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 22:31:19 -0400 Subject: electrocomputerwarehouse In-Reply-To: <20110527174611.GL21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110527174611.GL21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Listen to Lennart! On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 01:18:58PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> It depends how important price is to you. ?If you listen to Lennart, >> you will always pay more and get a higher quality device. > > I paid $900 for my new thinkpad 2 years ago. ?It has been an amazing > machine so far. ?Well worth it. > >> I'm impressed by the price-performance of many new notebooks these >> days. ?One side-effect of "inexpensive" is that the products may be >> flimsy -- electronic components get less expensive most of the time but >> mechanical components don't. > > My wife has an EeepC 1008HA (the very thin one), which she likes, but it > is a bit flimsy. ?In fact she has two (she broke the keyboard somehow > on the first one when it was a year and a half old, and bought another > on sale at the time). ?Recently the hinge broke off the new one, so we > swapped the top half of the old one onto the new one. ?She now has a > half pink and half black EeePC. ?The netbooks are practically getting > into the disposable computers price range (and durability). > > I don't personally want an EeePC. ?I find them impossible to work with, > but my wife likes hers. ?Of course she can always ssh to her desktop to > do real work from either the EeePC or her symbian phone. > >> I think that used and off-lease computers made a lot more sense when >> new ones were way more expensive than they are now. ?I remember a >> considerable period during which I knew a desktop computer would cost >> be about $2000, all that changed was what it could do for that money. >> For example, my Kaypro II cost $2295 -- a Z80 with 64k and two floppy >> drives. > > A new one can have the features you want, and warrenty, and a brand > new battery. > >> Come to think of it, my current desktop cost ~$2k, but that's because >> about $1100 was my 30" monitor. ?Sure beats my Kaypro (24x80 character >> 9" mono screen). ?Over that 30 years, the CPU has increased more than >> 1000-fold and RAM capacity about 100,000 but the screen has improved >> more like 10. > > $1100 for a 30" is amazing, when you consider a 21" CRT was $3000 a > decade ago. > > I remember having a giant 213MB harddisk and 16MB of ram. ?I have 4GB > ram in my laptop and 320GB harddisk and it cost a lot less too. ?Now if > only disk speeds would improve a bit quicker. > >> A used computer is so cheap these days that the store overhead has >> to significantly add to the price. >> >> New notebooks come with a better warranty than used ones. ?I think >> that warranties are particularly useful with notebooks since they are >> harder to fix yourself. >> >> I posted a netbook deal which is still on (barely) for $239.99. ?I think >> that I'd pick that over a used d620 at the same price. ?Lennart clearly >> explained why neither is up to his standards. > > I don't like things that break. :) > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat May 28 03:08:22 2011 From: jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Miles) Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 23:08:22 -0400 Subject: RAID/HDD 'identify' LED - how to activate Message-ID: Hi, Here is the scenario I have a Supermicro 5025M-2U with a 3Ware 9650SE 8 port controller and a Western Digital WDC WD1002FBYS-02A6B0 disk in it that is reporting an error. The 3Ware CLI tool 'tw_cli' has a feature that would allow me to set the 'identify' LED to on or off. Unfortunately, I don't think I am able to turn this lovely light on, as the device's "Identify Status = N/A". /cx/px set identify=on|off (9550SX and 9590SE only) This command sets the LED status of the port. If the identify is set to on, the firmware activates the setting of the corresponding LED of the port. If the setting of the configuration for LED is blinking for identify=on, this will blink the LED of the port. ****** Note: Enclosure services hardware is also required. ******* Example: //localhost> /c0/p5 set identify=on Setting Port Identify on /c0/p5 to [on] ... Done. I guess, I need to determine if I have 'enclosure service hardware' Does anyone have anything to suggest I try to determing if I have 'enclosure service hardware'? (not sure what to look for in say, dmesg for that info) Thanks! John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat May 28 11:21:58 2011 From: jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Miles) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 07:21:58 -0400 Subject: RAID/HDD 'identify' LED - how to activate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Found the solution - the sg_ses command is the application to talk to the scsi hardware. On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:08 PM, John Miles wrote: > Hi, > > Here is the scenario > I have a Supermicro 5025M-2U with a 3Ware 9650SE 8 port controller and a > Western Digital WDC WD1002FBYS-02A6B0 disk in it that is reporting an error. > > The 3Ware CLI tool 'tw_cli' has a feature that would allow me to set the > 'identify' LED to on or off. > Unfortunately, I don't think I am able to turn this lovely light on, as the > device's "Identify Status = N/A". > > /cx/px set identify=on|off (9550SX and 9590SE only) > This command sets the LED status of the port. If the identify is set to > on, the firmware activates the setting of the corresponding LED of the port. > If the setting of the configuration for LED is blinking for identify=on, > this will blink the LED of the port. > > ****** Note: Enclosure services hardware is also required. ******* > > Example: > > //localhost> /c0/p5 set identify=on > > Setting Port Identify on /c0/p5 to [on] ... Done. > > I guess, I need to determine if I have 'enclosure service hardware' > > Does anyone have anything to suggest I try to determing if I have > 'enclosure service hardware'? > (not sure what to look for in say, dmesg for that info) > > Thanks! > > John. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat May 28 14:01:11 2011 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 10:01:11 -0400 Subject: sftp In-Reply-To: <20110527203957.GM21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110527203957.GM21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DE10027.9020803@ve3syb.ca> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 04:22:34PM -0400, Randy Jonasz wrote: > I was wondering if anyone could offer me some advice. When someone logs in > to a server using sftp, can I have a login script execute? And another > script execute when they log out? I tried editing /etc/bash.bash_logout and > /etc/bash.bashrc only to discover a sftp connection does not spawn a shell. If the ftp daemon is spawned using inetd you could configure inetd to run a shell script instead which would do the prelogin stuff, run sftpd, then run other things after sftpd terminates. If sftpd is running all the time, this won't work. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From self_same_self-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat May 28 15:58:44 2011 From: self_same_self-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sammy Lao) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 11:58:44 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Hour at Linuxcaffe on May 28th, 2011 (Tonight!) Message-ID: Bob Jonkman will be holding a session of Ubuntu Hour at the Linuxcaffe on Tonight (Saturday). Ubuntu Hour is a social event where Ubuntu enthusiasts can come together, socialize, and share. This is free, public event. Bob will be driving in from out of town. He is aiming to be there near 7:00 - 7:30. If you get there early, just introduce yourself to others that are coming for this event. (They will be wearing something with the Ubuntu logo on it.) Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat May 28 17:29:31 2011 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 13:29:31 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Hour at Linuxcaffe on May 28th, 2011 (Tonight!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Sammy Lao wrote: > Bob Jonkman will be holding a session of Ubuntu Hour at the Linuxcaffe on > Tonight (Saturday). Ubuntu Hour is a social event where Ubuntu enthusiasts > can come together, socialize, and share. This is free, public event. Bugger! I've a great deal of respect for Mr. Jonkman, not only because of his involvement with Ubuntu (and Linux & FOSS in general) but he's also a very thoughtful Pirate. Wish I'd heard about this earlier. :S -- ? Scott Elcomb ? @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca ? Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems ? http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ ? Clerk of the Pirate Party of Canada ? http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun May 29 05:30:53 2011 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 01:30:53 -0400 Subject: Somethings Up with my Evolution Install ?? Message-ID: <1306647053.3504.12.camel@jimslaptop> Wondering if anyone has any thoughts. Lately in Evolution I have been getting corrupted attachments. Also I have seen strange strings appear in emails ie. 000727b4-0010t . As well I have seen the content of emails disappearing after I look at it and go back to it? This is very strange. I only noticed it after updating to Ubuntu 11.04 but that may be a coincidence. Any thoughts as to what is going on with my Evolution install? Thanks . Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun May 29 20:48:28 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 16:48:28 -0400 Subject: Byron Sonne Message-ID: Apologies if this has already been posted, but I just read this and was very moved. *http://tinyurl.com/3o63dlk* -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon May 30 03:29:14 2011 From: bjonkman-w5ExpX8uLjYAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Bob Jonkman) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 23:29:14 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Hour at Linuxcaffe on May 28th, 2011 (Tonight!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DE30F0A.1040402@sobac.com> Hi All! The Ubuntu Hour at Linuxcaffe was a treat -- met lots of people from FreeGeek, and some others too. There wasn't much notice for this; I didn't think of it until Tuesday, and then didn't get disks from Darcy until Thursday. But if anyone else wants to host an Ubuntu Hour (in, say, Hamilton) then I could be persuaded to liberate some more disks from Darcy and come over for such an event. --Bob. On 2011-05-29 at 23:23:10 Scott Elcomb wrote: > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Sammy Lao wrote: >> Bob Jonkman will be holding a session of Ubuntu Hour at the Linuxcaffe on >> Tonight (Saturday). Ubuntu Hour is a social event where Ubuntu enthusiasts >> can come together, socialize, and share. This is free, public event. > Bugger! I've a great deal of respect for Mr. Jonkman, not only > because of his involvement with Ubuntu (and Linux& FOSS in general) > but he's also a very thoughtful Pirate. > > Wish I'd heard about this earlier. :S > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon May 30 15:22:59 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 11:22:59 -0400 Subject: CRTC *AGAIN* looking at regulating/taxing internet content Message-ID: <20110530152259.GB26670@waltdnes.org> Just when you though it was safe to log on to the internet. See http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2011/2011-344.htm There's the usual whining about "the possibility that, in the near term, OTT services may cause replacement or reductions in BDU subscriptions". Note; "BDU" == "Broadcast Distribution Undertaking"; a generic term covering TV programming distributers such as cable and staellite and IPTV. This was done at the behest of a lobby group calling itself the "Over-The-Top Services Working Group". See the story at... http://www.canada.com/story_print.html?id=4626101 > The professional shakedown artists otherwise known as Canada's > cultural industries -telecoms, broadcasters, TV networks, filmmakers > -are gearing up for another operatic hit on Canadians. They want the > Internet controlled through new rules and new charges that would > expand their existing protection racket that now funnels billions > into their hands and limits the freedom of Canadians. and also > Decades ago they said that because there are technical limits to > broadcasting, controls are needed. Now they say that because there > are no technical limits, controls are needed. Every new technology > -the arrival of television, cable, digital, satellite, Internet -has > become a battleground of CanCon special interests seeking to lord > it over the Canadian consumer. Note that the Broadcast Act requires the CRTC to protect the Canadian Broadcast Industry. There is no mention of freedom of choice or affordability for Canadians. There is no point in making submissions to the CRTC in this hearing. They are only asking for statistics, and there is nothing in the terms of reference about freedom of choice. The CRTC is merely following its orders under the Broadcast Act. What needs to be done is to amend the Broadcast Act to clarify that the CRTC has no power to to implement taxes or levies on, or otherwise regulate content on the internet. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon May 30 16:44:46 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 12:44:46 -0400 Subject: electrocomputerwarehouse In-Reply-To: References: <20110527174611.GL21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110530164446.GN21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:31:19PM -0400, edward chin wrote: > Listen to Lennart! Only if they want to. :) If they don't I will of course happily ignore any problems though. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon May 30 16:49:34 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 12:49:34 -0400 Subject: RAID/HDD 'identify' LED - how to activate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110530164934.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:08:22PM -0400, John Miles wrote: > Here is the scenario > I have a Supermicro 5025M-2U with a 3Ware 9650SE 8 port controller and a > Western Digital WDC WD1002FBYS-02A6B0 disk in it that is reporting an error. > > The 3Ware CLI tool 'tw_cli' has a feature that would allow me to set the > 'identify' LED to on or off. > Unfortunately, I don't think I am able to turn this lovely light on, as the > device's "Identify Status = N/A". > > /cx/px set identify=on|off (9550SX and 9590SE only) > This command sets the LED status of the port. If the identify is set to > on, the firmware activates the setting of the corresponding LED of the port. > If the setting of the configuration for LED is blinking for identify=on, > this will blink the LED of the port. > > ****** Note: Enclosure services hardware is also required. ******* > > Example: > > //localhost> /c0/p5 set identify=on > > Setting Port Identify on /c0/p5 to [on] ... Done. > > I guess, I need to determine if I have 'enclosure service hardware' Do you have a hotswap cage with LEDs on it? If not, then you don't have that. > Does anyone have anything to suggest I try to determing if I have 'enclosure > service hardware'? > (not sure what to look for in say, dmesg for that info) For example: dmesg | grep scsi [ 1.742035] scsi0 : ServeRAID [ 1.742465] scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ServeRA MAIN V1.0 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 [ 1.753173] scsi 0:1:0:0: Direct-Access ST375064 0NS .AEP PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 [ 1.766582] scsi 0:1:1:0: Direct-Access ST375064 0NS .AEP PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 [ 1.785141] scsi 0:1:2:0: Direct-Access ST375064 0NS .AEP PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 [ 1.802008] scsi 0:1:3:0: Direct-Access ST375064 0NS .AEP PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 [ 1.864640] scsi: waiting for bus probes to complete ... [ 1.870021] scsi 0:3:0:0: Enclosure IBM-ESXS VSC7160 1.07 PQ: 0 ANSI: 3 That last one is the enclosure hardware. It has its own ID on the bus, so that the controller can talk to it. It runs the LEDs on the howswap bays and other such things. So in this case there is the raid, then the individual disks on another bus, then the enclosure on yet another bus, as far as the controller view to linux is concerned at least. Linux only creates /dev/sd* for the raid device, but there is an sg device for each individual disk, and the raid and the enclosure for those wanting to do interesting things. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon May 30 16:54:49 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 12:54:49 -0400 Subject: sftp In-Reply-To: <4DE10027.9020803-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20110527203957.GM21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DE10027.9020803@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20110530165449.GP21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 10:01:11AM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: > If the ftp daemon is spawned using inetd you could configure inetd > to run a shell script instead which would do the prelogin stuff, run > sftpd, then run other things after sftpd terminates. If sftpd is > running all the time, this won't work. sftp is not a daemon, it is a subsystem of sshd. It works over an ssh connection, but not using the shell. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Mon May 30 17:52:58 2011 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 13:52:58 -0400 Subject: sftp In-Reply-To: <20110530165449.GP21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110527203957.GM21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DE10027.9020803@ve3syb.ca> <20110530165449.GP21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3DC50533-DBA1-4E2D-9B3B-766FC7B363F9@sarg.ryerson.ca> On May 30, 2011, at 12:54, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 10:01:11AM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: >> If the ftp daemon is spawned using inetd you could configure inetd >> to run a shell script instead which would do the prelogin stuff, run >> sftpd, then run other things after sftpd terminates. If sftpd is >> running all the time, this won't work. > > sftp is not a daemon, it is a subsystem of sshd. It works over an > ssh connection, but not using the shell. Indeed. You could move the sftp executable and put a shell script in its place that did what you wanted and then called sftp. You'd probably need to use trap(1) if you want to do anything after the real sftp is done, as the connection may have dropped, etc. ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon May 30 18:07:58 2011 From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 14:07:58 -0400 Subject: sftp In-Reply-To: <3DC50533-DBA1-4E2D-9B3B-766FC7B363F9-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110527203957.GM21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DE10027.9020803@ve3syb.ca> <20110530165449.GP21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3DC50533-DBA1-4E2D-9B3B-766FC7B363F9@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Dave Mason wrote: > > On May 30, 2011, at 12:54, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 10:01:11AM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: > >> If the ftp daemon is spawned using inetd you could configure inetd > >> to run a shell script instead which would do the prelogin stuff, run > >> sftpd, then run other things after sftpd terminates. If sftpd is > >> running all the time, this won't work. > > > > sftp is not a daemon, it is a subsystem of sshd. It works over an > > ssh connection, but not using the shell. > > Indeed. You could move the sftp executable and put a shell script in its > place that did what you wanted and then called sftp. You'd probably need to > use trap(1) if you want to do anything after the real sftp is done, as the > connection may have dropped, etc. > Thanks everyone. You've given me something to go on. Cheers, Randy *It is evidence of an ambitious and presumptuous brain, full of vanity and envy, to wish to persuade others that there is but a single way of investigating and coming to the knowledge of nature; and of a fool and a man without judgement to believe he possesses it.- Giordano Bruno * > > ../Dave > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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But if anyone else wants > to host an Ubuntu Hour (in, say, Hamilton) then I could be persuaded to > liberate some more disks from Darcy and come over for such an event. Glad to hear it went well! I'll check with some contacts and see about setting a up venue in Hamilton this summer. (Will follow up off-list) All the best, - Scott. -- ? Scott Elcomb ? @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca ? Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems ? http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ ? Clerk of the Pirate Party of Canada ? http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists