From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 1 21:29:44 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:29:44 -0500 Subject: LibreOffice conference in October in Paris Message-ID: This is afar off in sense that: a) It's in October, which is 7-ish months away; b) It's in Paris, which is a few thousand Km away http://conference.libreoffice.org/ "The conference will host several tracks on various aspects of LibreOffice, including adoption, migration, development and interoperability." I don't think any of this is of much interest to me, personally, but it's very interesting that they have traveled sufficiently already as a conglomerate organization to be able to have this event scheduled. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 2 01:28:55 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:28:55 -0500 Subject: The main advantage of a pre-loaded OS... In-Reply-To: <20110225164203.GA5657-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110222075527.GA9955@waltdnes.org> <20110225164203.GA5657@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110302012855.GA9722@waltdnes.org> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:42:03AM -0500, William Park wrote > Can you post more detail on this? > > When I install NVidia's binary driver, I simply do > ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-260.19.36.run > and I don't touch kernel config, at all. The instructions at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml are what I followed (I run Gentoo). ATI does things differently from nVidia; that's all I can say. Note that the blob is for newer ATI chips (RadeonHD 2000 and up). The nVidia instructions on that page don't mention any binary blobs. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 2 02:05:10 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 21:05:10 -0500 Subject: The main advantage of a pre-loaded OS... In-Reply-To: <20110225234058.GA5233-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110222075527.GA9955@waltdnes.org> <20110225164203.GA5657@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110225165557.GU347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110225171855.GA12811@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110225172653.GV347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110225224422.GX347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110225234058.GA5233@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110302020510.GB9722@waltdnes.org> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 06:40:58PM -0500, William Park wrote > Consider this (something I've heard): > What if netbooks come with cell phone builtin? > Degree of integration with host computer will affect useability, but I'm > sure it will be ironed out pretty fast. Why bother? Mobile internet plus voip (Skype, etc) can accomplish the same thing. For that matter, you could make outbound calls using wifi plus voip. I'm one of the dinosaurs with an ancient Nokia 6015i candybar as shown at http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-6015i which I've had for 5 years. Given the low cost of PAYG, I'll keep it till it dies on me. Use that for incoming calls, and voip outbound for long calls. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 2 15:22:29 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 07:22:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: The main advantage of a pre-loaded OS... In-Reply-To: <20110302012855.GA9722-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110222075527.GA9955@waltdnes.org> <20110225164203.GA5657@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110302012855.GA9722@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <426060.18385.qm@web113416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > From: Walter Dnes > > The instructions at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml are > what I followed (I run Gentoo). ATI does things differently from > nVidia; that's all I can say. Note that the blob is for newer ATI chips > (RadeonHD 2000 and up). The nVidia instructions on that page don't > mention any binary blobs. Thanks, I'll try that. I think I got most things as module, but hope that explicit inclusion/exclusion make things smoother. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 2 17:03:39 2011 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:03:39 -0500 Subject: stupid basic networking question Message-ID: Hi, I'm running Ubuntu maverick on a server with several subdomains. I would like one of those subdomains to point to a virtual machine which I am currently building. The VM will have a private network address on br0. How do I get apache to send all requests for the subdomain to the VM? I figure it should be really easy but I'm getting lost in the documentation, which I confess to not really understanding. thanks, Matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 2 17:07:56 2011 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:07:56 -0500 Subject: stupid basic networking question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I did this once using Nginx as a reverse proxy, but there's nothing stopping you from doing the same using Apache. I'm a bit busy to write a more complete answer, but I'd say this is the way to go (Apache mod_proxy, that is). - Fabio On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:03, Matt Price wrote: > Hi, > > I'm running Ubuntu maverick on a server with several subdomains.? I would > like one of those subdomains to point to a virtual machine which I am > currently building.? The VM will have a private network address on br0.? How > do I get apache to send all requests for the subdomain to the VM?? I figure > it should be really easy but I'm getting lost in the documentation, which I > confess to not really understanding.? thanks, > Matt > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 2 17:12:23 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:12:23 -0500 Subject: openoffice is dead? Message-ID: Apparently openoffice.org is down, so it seems as though Oracle wants to encourage migration to LibreOffice ;-). -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 2 17:18:26 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 12:18:26 -0500 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D6E7BE2.4060609@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > Apparently openoffice.org is down, so it seems as though Oracle wants > to encourage migration to LibreOffice ;-). > > The OOo site works for me. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 2 17:28:14 2011 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 14:28:14 -0300 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually openoffice.org is not dead. I'm not sure what will happens to the project. In fact, the community gave up the project for lack of support from Oracle. Oracle has blocked many ideas from the community that develops the openoffice.org. They decided to separate the project and act without Oracle so they could improve the software and use their ideas. They asked Oracle to donate them the brand OpenOffice.org, but Oracle did not. So they created the new project called LibreOffice as an independent foundation. I'm not sure what will Oracle do with OpenOffice.org. But now the old OpenOffice.org's developers are working on this new project. I'm already using LibreOffice instead of OpenOffice. In fact, for now, is almost the same thing. LibreOffice now is just OpenOffice with some extra code. Even Canonical is helping this new project. Canonical is using of its employees to work on this project full time. He worked for Oracle and knows very well the code of OpenOffice. His name is Bjoern Michaelsen. Let's wait to see what will happen now. ;] --- - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org - KDE Brasil Member - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > Apparently openoffice.org is down, so it seems as though Oracle wants > to encourage migration to LibreOffice ;-). > > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 2 17:43:15 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:43:15 -0500 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Marcelo Cavalcante wrote: > Actually openoffice.org is not dead. Erm, problems are being reported on an ongoing basis. I was just able to get connected briefly, but it is again not responding, at 12:30 EST. Working at 12:33, but that doesn't seem particularly trustable. > I'm not sure what will happens to the project. > In fact, the community gave up the project for lack of support from Oracle. > Oracle has blocked many ideas from the community that develops the > openoffice.org. A great deal of it dates back to the Sun days; Sun wasn't as cooperative as people would have liked, so a lot of contributions of code went by the wayside. It looks like this effect will be more dramatic with Oracle. > They decided to separate the project and act without Oracle > so they could improve the software and use their ideas. They asked Oracle to > donate them the brand OpenOffice.org, but Oracle did not. So they created > the new project called LibreOffice as an independent foundation. > I'm not sure what will Oracle do with OpenOffice.org. But now the old > OpenOffice.org's developers are working on this new project. > I'm already using LibreOffice instead of OpenOffice. In fact, for now, is > almost the same thing. LibreOffice now is just OpenOffice with some extra > code. At this point, there hasn't been material change taking place on the LibreOffice fork. They've just been trying to get things rolling. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/LibOReleaseEvents/LOPressKit/FeatureList3.3 > Even Canonical is helping this new project. Canonical is using of its > employees to work on this project full time. He worked for Oracle and knows > very well the code of OpenOffice. His name is?Bjoern Michaelsen. > Let's wait to see what will happen now. > ;] The number of participants has been growing, which bodes fairly well. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marthter-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 3 04:31:51 2011 From: marthter-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (marthter) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:31:51 -0500 Subject: Watson and Jeopardy In-Reply-To: <20110222201555.GO347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110222195252.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110222201555.GO347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D6F19B7.3040107@yahoo.ca> On 11-02-22 03:15 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> I believe Watson falls squarely under the umbrella term of Artificial >> Intelligence. > Hmm, OK. I stand corrected. I didn't think what it did would qualify > as AI. Watson is very very impressive either way. Yeah, I only caught about 10 minutes of the middle episode (including the Final Jeopardy question), and I really found the pummelling of the humans pretty surreal. Like this was the coming out party of our new, friendly-swirly-lines-around-the-big-cyclops-eye computer overlord. I kept expecting a Saturday Night Live sketch to break out and Sean Connery to pop up in the middle spot. Although the computer's performance was very impressive, I also sometimes doubted how advanced it really is. A lot of earlier-round Jeopardy questions, you barely have to know, "Degas' painting blah blah was stolen in 19xx from this French capital". You don't need to know anything about the artist, the painting, the date of the theft, ... do you "understand" the question, or do you basically keyword search your archive of articles/knowledge, for cities mentioned in the same sentence/paragraph/article as "French" and "capital". Now certainly there were other more challenging questions on which it did quite well but it seemed to me the more indirect the question, the worse it did, such as the final Jeopardy city-with-two-airports question. Cheers. Martin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 3 04:56:38 2011 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:56:38 -0500 Subject: Watson and Jeopardy In-Reply-To: <4D6F19B7.3040107-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110222195252.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110222201555.GO347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D6F19B7.3040107@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4D6F1F86.9000202@rogers.com> On 02/03/11 11:31 PM, marthter wrote: > ... do > you "understand" the question, or do you basically keyword search your > archive of articles/knowledge, for cities mentioned in the same > sentence/paragraph/article as "French" and "capital". IIUC, the technology/intelligence is to parse the answer/question, use that parse to narrow the search of a huge knowledge-base, assign probabilities to possible answer/question. Then decide whether the probability is high enough to ring the buzzer. A "learning" phase is used to "teach" the system how to choose the best answer/question. It sounds a lot like what humans would do to be good at Jeopardy. So they've created a super Jeopardy machine. But IMHO, humans are still capable of much more. It's kind of like computers are really good at saving data and making calculations, compared to humans. Now they're also good at recalling trivia. Funny that their envisioned uses of the technology is for medical diagnosis. That kind of says that doctoring is an "easy" task that computers could encroach upon. Maybe there needs to be a new challenge (or AI gauge) - namely, build a machine that can build a really good Jeopardy player. Then, us software guys/gals would be looking over our shoulders. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 3 13:56:20 2011 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:56:20 -0500 Subject: local open source project looking for PHP help Message-ID: <201103030856.23211.icanprogram@295.ca> The SIMPL open source project (http://www.icanprogram.com/simpl) is looking for a volunteer developer to create a PHP interface to one of its TCP/IP protocols: http://www.icanprogram.com/simpl/tclSurrogate.html I have a online demo on my Linode available for testing. http://icanprogram.ca/sudokutcl/ If you already know some PHP (or are just learning) contact me offlist and I'll fill you in on the details. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 3 14:55:23 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:55:23 -0500 Subject: Watson and Jeopardy In-Reply-To: <4D6F19B7.3040107-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110222195252.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110222201555.GO347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D6F19B7.3040107@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20110303145523.GD347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 11:31:51PM -0500, marthter wrote: > Yeah, I only caught about 10 minutes of the middle episode (including > the Final Jeopardy question), and I really found the pummelling of the > humans pretty surreal. Like this was the coming out party of our new, > friendly-swirly-lines-around-the-big-cyclops-eye computer overlord. I > kept expecting a Saturday Night Live sketch to break out and Sean > Connery to pop up in the middle spot. > > Although the computer's performance was very impressive, I also > sometimes doubted how advanced it really is. A lot of earlier-round > Jeopardy questions, you barely have to know, "Degas' painting blah blah > was stolen in 19xx from this French capital". You don't need to know > anything about the artist, the painting, the date of the theft, ... do > you "understand" the question, or do you basically keyword search your > archive of articles/knowledge, for cities mentioned in the same > sentence/paragraph/article as "French" and "capital". > > Now certainly there were other more challenging questions on which it > did quite well but it seemed to me the more indirect the question, the > worse it did, such as the final Jeopardy city-with-two-airports question. I think the problem with that question was that there probably isn't really any documents out there that lists every city and the names of all its airports. Watson only "knows" whatever is in the data it was given to work with. Also the developers did say after the fact that Watson had unfortunately learned over the course of many practice games, that often the category wasn't that critical to the answer, so for it to ignore the US part of the category was actually quite reasonable, although either way, Watson was perfectly aware that its answer was almost certainly wrong, which is very useful. At least it means if you ask it a question, it won't always give you an answer, sometimes it will say "it might be this, but I am very unsure". The fact it got the final jeopardy right in the second game was very impressive and shows just how well it does with indirect references. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 3 15:10:19 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:10:19 -0500 Subject: Watson and Jeopardy In-Reply-To: <4D6F1F86.9000202-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110222195252.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110222201555.GO347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D6F19B7.3040107@yahoo.ca> <4D6F1F86.9000202@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110303151019.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 11:56:38PM -0500, Yanni Chiu wrote: > IIUC, the technology/intelligence is to parse the answer/question, use > that parse to narrow the search of a huge knowledge-base, assign > probabilities to possible answer/question. Then decide whether the > probability is high enough to ring the buzzer. A "learning" phase is > used to "teach" the system how to choose the best answer/question. > > It sounds a lot like what humans would do to be good at Jeopardy. So > they've created a super Jeopardy machine. But IMHO, humans are still > capable of much more. It's kind of like computers are really good at > saving data and making calculations, compared to humans. Now they're > also good at recalling trivia. > > Funny that their envisioned uses of the technology is for medical > diagnosis. That kind of says that doctoring is an "easy" task that > computers could encroach upon. Actually what they said is, it is hard for any doctor to read and remember all medical literature. One methods humans have invented to try to deal with this problem so far is consulting with other doctors, or even more like it the "Best Doctors" thing that is now being promoted on the radio and such where complicated cases can be analysed by many leading doctors over a wide area in case one of them recognizes something that is in their specialty that the treating doctor isn't aware of. Watson would be able to potentially take all the medical journals and text books and case studies and search them using the terminology doctors use to describe the symptoms and return possible things for the doctor to look at. > Maybe there needs to be a new challenge (or AI gauge) - namely, build a > machine that can build a really good Jeopardy player. Then, us software > guys/gals would be looking over our shoulders. The problem then is "Please define your problem in a way that can be implemented". You statement is completely vague and ambiguous. What is "good" for example? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 4 15:54:55 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 10:54:55 -0500 Subject: Update on Byron Sonne's case tonight Message-ID: <4D710B4F.5070706@alteeve.com> Just an update; I will be offering a debrief on Byron Sonne's case this evening at 6pm. If you would like to learn more about the case and the issues underlying it, please send me a direct email today. Cheers -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 5 16:15:14 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 11:15:14 -0500 Subject: Software for streaming music from media server Message-ID: I have a WD Mybook World Edition that I use to stream to my PS3, but occasionally I would like to stream music from this NAS device to my PC running Debian Testing. I have Banshee, which is I guess the default, but it refuses to pick up new music in the folder on the Mybook. I've tried 'import' in Banshee, I"ve restarted the drive, it's plain useless. I'm curious what other people use to stream music to their PC? -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 5 16:31:27 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 11:31:27 -0500 Subject: Software for streaming music from media server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Thomas Milne wrote: > I have a WD Mybook World Edition that I use to stream to my PS3, but > occasionally I would like to stream music from this NAS device to my > PC running Debian Testing. I have Banshee, which is I guess the > default, but it refuses to pick up new music in the folder on the > Mybook. I've tried 'import' in Banshee, I"ve restarted the drive, it's > plain useless. > > I'm curious what other people use to stream music to their PC? > Hasn't yet solved the problem, but I just discovered something new (to me) in Debian/Gnome. If you right click on a file and choose open with, there is a tab that will show you apps that are not yet installed that would handle that file. That's pretty cool :-) -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 5 23:07:24 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 18:07:24 -0500 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110305230724.GA6241@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 12:43:15PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > A great deal of it dates back to the Sun days; Sun wasn't as > cooperative as people would have liked, so a lot of contributions of > code went by the wayside. It looks like this effect will be more > dramatic with Oracle. Sun did openoffice just to embed their Java into it. Honestly, I don't know why people are using OpenOffice. For God's sake, get the real thing, and support Microsoft Inc. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 5 23:25:06 2011 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 18:25:06 -0500 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: <20110305230724.GA6241-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110305230724.GA6241@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On March 5, 2011 06:07:24 pm William Park wrote: > On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 12:43:15PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > > A great deal of it dates back to the Sun days; Sun wasn't as > > cooperative as people would have liked, so a lot of contributions of > > code went by the wayside. It looks like this effect will be more > > dramatic with Oracle. > > Sun did openoffice just to embed their Java into it. Honestly, I don't > know why people are using OpenOffice. For God's sake, get the real > thing, and support Microsoft Inc. ... the convicted monopolists. No thanks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 5 23:33:19 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 18:33:19 -0500 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: References: <20110305230724.GA6241@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Gary Layng wrote: > On March 5, 2011 06:07:24 pm William Park wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 12:43:15PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: >> > A great deal of it dates back to the Sun days; Sun wasn't as >> > cooperative as people would have liked, so a lot of contributions of >> > code went by the wayside. ?It looks like this effect will be more >> > dramatic with Oracle. >> >> Sun did openoffice just to embed their Java into it. ?Honestly, I don't >> know why people are using OpenOffice. ?For God's sake, get the real >> thing, and support Microsoft Inc. > ... the convicted monopolists. ... the convicted software pirates (http://www.v3.co.uk/vnunet/news/2118681/microsoft-convicted-software-piracy) . > No thanks. Exactly ... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 6 22:38:41 2011 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 17:38:41 -0500 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: <20110305230724.GA6241-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110305230724.GA6241@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4D740CF1.5030708@ve3syb.ca> William Park wrote: > Sun did openoffice just to embed their Java into it. Honestly, I don't > know why people are using OpenOffice. For God's sake, get the real > thing, and support Microsoft Inc. I think there is a smiley face missing from the above. If Microsoft came out with Office for Linux I might consider using it, but, I'm quite happy with OpenOffice so I don't see much reason to switch to something else. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 6 23:34:52 2011 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 18:34:52 -0500 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: <4D740CF1.5030708-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20110305230724.GA6241@node1.opengeometry.net> <4D740CF1.5030708@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <8587b3e9f4af1b75b0eae81ce68f7dab.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> A couple of years ago I pushed Open Office to my spouse, who was using Microsoft Office at the time. It was not successful, and I got an earful then and on many subsequent occasions about multiple inadequacies of Open Office. More recently, needing something for her Mac and daunted by the outlay for MO, she tried OO again and really liked it. I haven't much noticed these improvements, it does what we need to do for spreadsheets, wordsmithing and presentations. But I guess they've been enhancing the product over that time. On one occasion I was in the lineup at Canada Computers and noticed the guy ahead of me was spending a Vast Fortune on Microsoft Office stuff. I really had to bite my tongue not to advise him to try OO. The Canada Computer people probably would have thrown me into the street. Peter > William Park wrote: >> Sun did openoffice just to embed their Java into it. Honestly, I don't >> know why people are using OpenOffice. For God's sake, get the real >> thing, and support Microsoft Inc. > > I think there is a smiley face missing from the above. > > If Microsoft came out with Office for Linux I might consider using it, > but, > I'm quite happy with OpenOffice so I don't see much reason to switch to > something else. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 6 23:56:26 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 18:56:26 -0500 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: <8587b3e9f4af1b75b0eae81ce68f7dab.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <20110305230724.GA6241@node1.opengeometry.net> <4D740CF1.5030708@ve3syb.ca> <8587b3e9f4af1b75b0eae81ce68f7dab.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 6:34 PM, wrote: > A couple of years ago I pushed Open Office to my spouse, who was using > Microsoft Office at the time. It was not successful, and I got an earful > then and on many subsequent occasions about multiple inadequacies of Open > Office. > > More recently, needing something for her Mac and daunted by the outlay for > MO, she tried OO again and really liked it. > > I haven't much noticed these improvements, it does what we need to do for > spreadsheets, wordsmithing and presentations. But I guess they've been > enhancing the product over that time. Well, I am currently running OpenOffice, and I am more-or-less happy with it. That noted I can see myself dropping OpenOffice at some point down the road for LibreOffice ( http://www.libreoffice.org/ ), a fork from OpenOffice. Regardless as to what I do end up running, it will be some form of free software solution. > On one occasion I was in the lineup at Canada Computers and noticed the > guy ahead of me was spending a Vast Fortune on Microsoft Office stuff. I > really had to bite my tongue not to advise him to try OO. The Canada > Computer people probably would have thrown me into the street. Last time I used Microsoft Office was part of a short term contract (writing Linux server documentation) where the employer required that everything be done on-site and that the machines provided were running MS-Windows / MS Office. Shrug, what can I say, for enough $$ I'll use Microsoft software, but for my own personal stuff, forget it... Colin > Peter > > >> William Park wrote: >>> Sun did openoffice just to embed their Java into it. ?Honestly, I don't >>> know why people are using OpenOffice. ?For God's sake, get the real >>> thing, and support Microsoft Inc. >> >> I think there is a smiley face missing from the above. >> >> If Microsoft came out with Office for Linux I might consider using it, >> but, >> I'm quite happy with OpenOffice so I don't see much reason to switch to >> something else. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > http://www.syscompdesign.com > USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > 647-839-0325 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 7 02:00:20 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 21:00:20 -0500 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: <8587b3e9f4af1b75b0eae81ce68f7dab.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <20110305230724.GA6241@node1.opengeometry.net> <4D740CF1.5030708@ve3syb.ca> <8587b3e9f4af1b75b0eae81ce68f7dab.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20110307020019.GA3454@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 06:34:52PM -0500, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > On one occasion I was in the lineup at Canada Computers and noticed the > guy ahead of me was spending a Vast Fortune on Microsoft Office stuff. I > really had to bite my tongue not to advise him to try OO. The Canada > Computer people probably would have thrown me into the street. This goes to the heart of issue... How do we get people to spend that kind of money on Linux applications? -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 7 02:14:51 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 21:14:51 -0500 Subject: Gentoo -- help Message-ID: <20110307021451.GA3491@node1.opengeometry.net> Hi all, I decided to try Gentoo. I downloaded "netinstall" version gentoo-install-amd64-minimal-20110224.iso and am able to boot to shell prompt. What do I do then? I thought it would be just minimal install, from which you install other stuffs. But, it's not. And, I gave up browsing gentoo.org... can't make head or tail of it. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 7 02:26:41 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 21:26:41 -0500 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: <20110307020019.GA3454-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110305230724.GA6241@node1.opengeometry.net> <4D740CF1.5030708@ve3syb.ca> <8587b3e9f4af1b75b0eae81ce68f7dab.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20110307020019.GA3454@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:00 PM, William Park wrote: > On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 06:34:52PM -0500, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >> On one occasion I was in the lineup at Canada Computers and noticed the >> guy ahead of me was spending a Vast Fortune on Microsoft Office stuff. I >> really had to bite my tongue not to advise him to try OO. The Canada >> Computer people probably would have thrown me into the street. > > This goes to the heart of issue... > ? ?How do we get people to spend that kind of money on Linux > ? ?applications? While I appreciate that you may think this important, I don't actually care about that. I don't care to require people to spend "that kind of money" on Linux applications. GTALUG doesn't have anything in its constitution about "encouraging people to unleash bags of money on Linux." To the contrary, the first object our Letters Patent indicates as a purpose for incorporation is: "To promote interest in, and the use of, Linux, the Free Software Foundation, the GNU Public License, and related technologies and solutions" I believe that people are better off not sending Briefcases Full of Money to Microsoft, but rather in using their money for whatever other sorts of things they'd like to use their money on. If you're trying to find ways to capture those Briefcases of Money, that may be quite interesting to you, personally, but it's not properly something that GTALUG is supposed to care about. And I head back to my old canard that typical computer stores aren't really about people that are into computing; they are primarily *stores*, that draw in inventory, in the forms of boxes small and large, and then, they sell those boxes. They're not electronic engineers - they couldn't build a CPU if their lives depended on it. They just bring in boxes that contain things they think they can sell. The computer stores that have survived have some modicum of expertise at taking some of those boxes (containing motherboards, CPUs, disk drives, cases), and assembling them into functioning computers. In this context, software costs look a whole lot more like a head tax than anything else. We decided that head taxes were an evil thing when applied to people; the same hasn't been recognized generally as a truth for computers. Richard Stallman "evangelizes" the notion of proprietary software being an evil, but it's not nearly something that people universally agree upon. But if our Letters Patent indicate promoting interest in the FSF and GPL, we are, formally, as an organization, somewhat expected to appreciate that kind of argument. And that has certainly gotten expressed in this thread, with people considering saying "you didn't need to pay for all that expensive proprietary software." And looking back to organizational "first principles," I find myself compelled to agree. (Not that it took a lot of arm-twisting!) On the contrary side, I'm not sure how we'd see about twisting peoples' arms to give us their Briefcases Full of Money without having to head down proprietary roads inconsistent with our objectives. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 7 02:30:57 2011 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 21:30:57 -0500 Subject: Gentoo -- help In-Reply-To: <20110307021451.GA3491-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110307021451.GA3491@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: Gentoo isn't a handholding install like most of us are used to. Instead, it gives you a shell and expects you to know how to manually install it. Luckily, the gentoo community has created spectacular installation manuals. Check out http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml for what to do next. Good luck! -jason On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:14 PM, William Park wrote: > Hi all, > > I decided to try Gentoo. I downloaded "netinstall" version > gentoo-install-amd64-minimal-20110224.iso > and am able to boot to shell prompt. What do I do then? > I thought it would be just minimal install, from which you install other > stuffs. But, it's not. And, I gave up browsing gentoo.org... can't make > head or tail of it. > -- > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 7 03:19:03 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 22:19:03 -0500 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: References: <20110305230724.GA6241@node1.opengeometry.net> <4D740CF1.5030708@ve3syb.ca> <8587b3e9f4af1b75b0eae81ce68f7dab.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20110307020019.GA3454@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110307031903.GA3730@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 09:26:41PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:00 PM, William Park wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 06:34:52PM -0500, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> On one occasion I was in the lineup at Canada Computers and noticed the > >> guy ahead of me was spending a Vast Fortune on Microsoft Office stuff. I > >> really had to bite my tongue not to advise him to try OO. The Canada > >> Computer people probably would have thrown me into the street. > > > > This goes to the heart of issue... > > ? ?How do we get people to spend that kind of money on Linux > > ? ?applications? > > While I appreciate that you may think this important, I don't actually > care about that. I don't care to require people to spend "that kind > of money" on Linux applications. > > GTALUG doesn't have anything in its constitution about "encouraging > people to unleash bags of money on Linux." > > To the contrary, the first object our Letters Patent indicates as a > purpose for incorporation is: > > "To promote interest in, and the use of, Linux, the Free Software > Foundation, the GNU Public License, and related technologies and > solutions" > > I believe that people are better off not sending Briefcases Full of > Money to Microsoft, but rather in using their money for whatever other > sorts of things they'd like to use their money on. > > If you're trying to find ways to capture those Briefcases of Money, > that may be quite interesting to you, personally, but it's not > properly something that GTALUG is supposed to care about. > > And I head back to my old canard that typical computer stores aren't > really about people that are into computing; they are primarily > *stores*, that draw in inventory, in the forms of boxes small and > large, and then, they sell those boxes. They're not electronic > engineers - they couldn't build a CPU if their lives depended on it. > They just bring in boxes that contain things they think they can sell. > > The computer stores that have survived have some modicum of expertise > at taking some of those boxes (containing motherboards, CPUs, disk > drives, cases), and assembling them into functioning computers. > > In this context, software costs look a whole lot more like a head tax > than anything else. We decided that head taxes were an evil thing > when applied to people; the same hasn't been recognized generally as a > truth for computers. Richard Stallman "evangelizes" the notion of > proprietary software being an evil, but it's not nearly something that > people universally agree upon. > > But if our Letters Patent indicate promoting interest in the FSF and > GPL, we are, formally, as an organization, somewhat expected to > appreciate that kind of argument. > > And that has certainly gotten expressed in this thread, with people > considering saying "you didn't need to pay for all that expensive > proprietary software." And looking back to organizational "first > principles," I find myself compelled to agree. (Not that it took a > lot of arm-twisting!) > > On the contrary side, I'm not sure how we'd see about twisting > peoples' arms to give us their Briefcases Full of Money without having > to head down proprietary roads inconsistent with our objectives. First, we have to get over this "free" thing. There is no such thing as free. MIT and Sanford are funded by corporate donations and tax, both of which are not free. Second, are we just hobbists? Or, are we here to change something? > (re-copied) > "To promote interest in, and the use of, Linux, the Free Software > Foundation, the GNU Public License, and related technologies and > solutions" Biggest roadblock to stated objective is that Linux is not relevant to most people's income. The guy at Canada Computers saved his lunch/coffee money and was spending it on something. Why? Because it has direct bearing on his income. People complain about "learning curve" on Linux, but endure through learning curve on Microsoft. Why? Because, Linux is not relevant to their income, but Microsoft definitely is. Even though the learning curve on Microsoft is more horrific (we all know), they take it. Windows8 will be coming out, and they'll take it again. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 7 13:25:22 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 08:25:22 -0500 Subject: Software for streaming music from media server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D74DCC2.7090302@gmail.com> On 11-03-05 11:15 , Thomas Milne wrote: > > I'm curious what other people use to stream music to their PC? Rhythmbox picks up my DAAP share nicely. As does iTunes, and the couple of Roku Soundbridges I have about the house. I run firefly (formerly mt-daapd). It's serving a library of just shy of 30,000 tracks from a Sheevaplug with an external drive. I suspect the WD My Book World has a branded version of firefly as its music server. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 7 14:03:58 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 09:03:58 -0500 Subject: Software for streaming music from media server In-Reply-To: <4D74DCC2.7090302-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D74DCC2.7090302@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 11-03-05 11:15 , Thomas Milne wrote: >> >> I'm curious what other people use to stream music to their PC? > > Rhythmbox picks up my DAAP share nicely. As does iTunes, and the couple > of Roku Soundbridges I have about the house. Ha, you know in desperation I just opened up a file browser in the music directory of the MyBook and clicked on a song. The Gnome default video player opened up, and it lets me drag and drop songs to the playlist and so on, so that works pretty good, good enough for me anyhow. > I run firefly (formerly mt-daapd). It's serving a library of just shy of > 30,000 tracks from a Sheevaplug with an external drive. I suspect the WD > My Book World has a branded version of firefly as its music server. > MyBook uses Twonky, not sure if that was based on Firefly, though they're probably all much the same under the logo. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 7 16:14:11 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 11:14:11 -0500 Subject: Software for streaming music from media server In-Reply-To: References: <4D74DCC2.7090302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D750453.2020107@gmail.com> On 11-03-07 09:03 , Thomas Milne wrote: > > MyBook uses Twonky, not sure if that was based on Firefly, though > they're probably all much the same under the logo. No, Twonky's different. Usually costs money to buy for your own server, but is much more capable than Firefly. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 7 16:19:07 2011 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 11:19:07 -0500 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: References: <20110305230724.GA6241@node1.opengeometry.net> <4D740CF1.5030708@ve3syb.ca> <8587b3e9f4af1b75b0eae81ce68f7dab.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <73d04c44e6936106a3c4a39531abfe59.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> > On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 6:34 PM, wrote: >> A couple of years ago I pushed Open Office to my spouse, who was using >> Microsoft Office at the time. It was not successful, and I got an earful >> then and on many subsequent occasions about multiple inadequacies of >> Open >> Office. Another problem is all the forks. There was Star Office, then Open Office, now Libre Office and who knows what the future holds. For hobbyists/geeks/etc who take an interest in this stuff and like to follow the evolution of software it's fine, but for people like my mom it just confuses her. She has heard of Microsoft Office and its always called "Microsoft Office". She likes it, is use to it and doesn't care about the open source versions of office software. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 7 17:36:46 2011 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 09:36:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: <20110307031903.GA3730-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110307031903.GA3730@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <894904.83224.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > Biggest roadblock to stated objective is that Linux is not > relevant to > most people's income.? The guy at Canada Computers > saved his > lunch/coffee money and was spending it on something.? > Why?? Because it > has direct bearing on his income. > > People complain about "learning curve" on Linux, but endure > through > learning curve on Microsoft.? Why?? Because, > Linux is not relevant to > their income, but Microsoft definitely is.? Even > though the learning > curve on Microsoft is more horrific (we all know), they > take it. > Windows8 will be coming out, and they'll take it again. > -- I can't agree more on this point because I can relate to it. While looking for job, I have to learn the MS equivalent of every product I know to be "relevant". MS-Project for OpenProject, Photoshop for gimp, Exchange for Zimbra, and so on. EK > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 7 17:50:12 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 12:50:12 -0500 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: <894904.83224.qm-j7iHDx50kh/5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <894904.83224.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D751AD4.4060502@rogers.com> E K wrote: > While looking for job, I have to learn the MS equivalent of every product I know to be "relevant". My condolences. With a few brief exceptions, I've never worked anywhere where I had to use MS Office. This is going back to the late '80s, when I used Wordstar 2000. When I was at IBM, we used Lotus Smart Suite and at another employer, we used OpenOffice (I suspect this one was because that employer was so cheap ). In others, while MS Office was on the computer, I had no problems with installing and using OOo. In those locations, I'd also install Thunderbird and Firefox, to use instead of Outlook and IE. The places where I had to use MS Office were all short term contract jobs. At home, I've used PC-Write, Describe (on OS/2) and OOo. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 7 18:31:04 2011 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 13:31:04 -0500 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: <4D751AD4.4060502-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <894904.83224.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4D751AD4.4060502@rogers.com> Message-ID: You're lucky - I haven't a choice. I'm supporting a browser-based application that *needs* IE, and doesn't play that nicely with OOo. And that IE *needs* to be on Windows. Nobody to my knowledge has managed to get it working on IE on Wine, as apparently they need something from Windows to render the web pages properly. Silly application, really. On March 7, 2011 12:50:12 pm James Knott wrote: > E K wrote: > > While looking for job, I have to learn the MS equivalent of every product > > I know to be "relevant". > > My condolences. With a few brief exceptions, I've never worked anywhere > where I had to use MS Office. This is going back to the late '80s, when > I used Wordstar 2000. When I was at IBM, we used Lotus Smart Suite and > at another employer, we used OpenOffice (I suspect this one was because > that employer was so cheap ). In others, while MS Office was on the > computer, I had no problems with installing and using OOo. In those > locations, I'd also install Thunderbird and Firefox, to use instead of > Outlook and IE. The places where I had to use MS Office were all short > term contract jobs. At home, I've used PC-Write, Describe (on OS/2) and > OOo. > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 8 01:43:01 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 20:43:01 -0500 Subject: Open Source Week... Message-ID: Last year Open Source Week was the last week of October. Does anyone have an AUTHORITATIVE answer as to when it will be this year? Thanks. Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 8 07:59:06 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 02:59:06 -0500 Subject: Gentoo -- help In-Reply-To: <20110307021451.GA3491-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110307021451.GA3491@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110308075906.GA21570@waltdnes.org> On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 09:14:51PM -0500, William Park wrote > Hi all, > > I decided to try Gentoo. I downloaded "netinstall" version > gentoo-install-amd64-minimal-20110224.iso > and am able to boot to shell prompt. What do I do then? > I thought it would be just minimal install, from which you install other > stuffs. But, it's not. And, I gave up browsing gentoo.org... can't make > head or tail of it. Rather than the multiple chapters, I prefer the all-in-one webpage http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1 The install requires some manual work/configuration. Here is the hint that saves the most work. If you have another linux machine, or even a Windows machine with Putty, on your installing machine... - run "net-setup" to get the network functional - run "passwd" and set a password - run "/etc/init.d/sshd" to start the ssh daemon - walk over to the other machine, and ssh into the installing machine Now you can web browse the install webpage for install instructions, and copy+paste commands into the terminal window that's connected to the installing machine. Makes things *MUCH* more convenient. It's also nice, because you can now scp config files like /etc/resolv.conf from your linux machine over to the installing machine. If you can't do this, then you'll have to do the following... - run "net-setup" to get the network functional - press {ALT-F2} to get to the second tty - "links http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1" to bring up the install instructions - if "links" isn't available, try "links2" - press {ALT-F1} to switch back to the install, and {ALT-F2} to view the install docs I believe that the gpm daemon runs by default, so you can cut-n-paste in text consoles. If it isn't running, execute the command... "/etc/init.d/gpm" to start it. Other helpful hints... - when setting up /etc/make.conf I recommend including... CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -mfpmath=sse -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe" CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" MAKEOPTS="-j1" ...the first 2 lines are standard. The "-j1" solves the occasional compile that mysteriously blows up. Yes, higher values are *SUPPOSED* to work OK, but occasionally they don't. "-j1" slows down the compile process slightly, but... - the compiled program is just as fast - spending an hour trying to figure out why a compile is blowing up will use up more time than you "save" with higher values. Besides which, the build process can run in the background. Note that you can browse the web with Firefox while Firefox is being re-built. This may be a bit hard to grasp, but it does work. For a GUI, build xorg-server, *NOT* xorg-x11. xorg-x11 is a "monolithic" build that pulls in a lot of extraneous stuff. Unless you're familiar with PAM, and are hosting other users on your machine, mask it out and save yourself a lot of hassle. config files are set up differently under PAM, and 99% of the docs on the web assume you're not using PAM. Also, mask out HAL. It's being deprecated and even the lead developer has admitted that it is excrement. The gentoo-user mailing-list subscription instructions are at... http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml Send me (offline) the output of "lspci -v" and "cat /proc/cpuinfo" on the machine to be installed, and I can help you get set up a bit faster. Setting up your USE var is a bit of an art. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 8 19:50:23 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 14:50:23 -0500 Subject: OT: Asus U33JC-A1 Laptop Deal at amazon.ca Message-ID: Just a heads up to say that this laptop that Consumer Reports recommends is selling for a rather attractive price at amazon.ca. http://www.amazon.ca/ASUS-U33JC-A1-13-3-Inch-Bamboo-Laptop/dp/B003UNOWAS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1299613462&sr=8-1 Specs are here: http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=aMCVqkGz1jReppcv Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 8 20:09:30 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:09:30 -0500 Subject: OT: Asus U33JC-A1 Laptop Deal at amazon.ca In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110308200930.GF347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 02:50:23PM -0500, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Just a heads up to say that this laptop that Consumer Reports > recommends is selling for a rather attractive price at amazon.ca. > > http://www.amazon.ca/ASUS-U33JC-A1-13-3-Inch-Bamboo-Laptop/dp/B003UNOWAS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1299613462&sr=8-1 > > Specs are here: > http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=aMCVqkGz1jReppcv Looks decent. The optimus nvidia stuff doesn't work in Linux yet, so until that is fixed it would be intel only video. No idea what wifi it uses. Claims to be intel on the amazon page. Might be an intel 1000 if it is b/g/n. No idea how linux support for that would be. 5xxx and 6xxx are fine in linux. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 8 20:17:11 2011 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:17:11 -0500 Subject: OT: Asus U33JC-A1 Laptop Deal at amazon.ca In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Just a heads up to say that this laptop that Consumer Reports > recommends is selling for a rather attractive price at amazon.ca. > > http://www.amazon.ca/ASUS-U33JC-A1-13-3-Inch-Bamboo-Laptop/dp/B003UNOWAS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1299613462&sr=8-1 > > Specs are here: > http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=aMCVqkGz1jReppcv Woodgrain!? Amazing. I want to get it to put mame on it! :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 9 20:54:04 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 15:54:04 -0500 Subject: Last night's talk. Message-ID: Just a quick public thank you to Sacha Chua for her talk on org-mode. For those of you running Debian (or some of the Debian based Linux distributions such as Ubuntu) adding emacs and org-mode can be as simple as typing : apt-get install emacs org-mode Getting emacs and org-mode to do some of the tricks demonstrated last evening ... well, that is the next challenge :-) . Anyway, another thanks. Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 9 21:14:14 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 16:14:14 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [u-u] Unix Unanimous meeting - Wed 9 Mar 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Unix Unanimous Webmaster Date: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 12:01 AM Subject: [u-u] Unix Unanimous meeting - Wed 9 Mar 2011 To: u-u-nUbHFpetmNumKAeH2fHhIti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org The next meeting of Unix Unanimous will be held at 6:45 pm on Wednesday ?9 March 2011, in room BA 2179 on the 2nd floor of the the Bahen Centre for Information Technology at 40 St. George Street, on the University of Toronto campus. Unix Unanimous is an informal gathering of people interested in Unix and related topics. There are no fees or membership requirements, and the meeting is open to all. Participants typically include Unix professionals, students, and hobbyists. This message will be repeated on the Monday before the meeting. If there are any items for the agenda, email u-u-owner-nUbHFpetmNumKAeH2fHhIti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org before then. The meeting is always held on the second Wednesday of each month. Special Announcements: A mailing list has been set up for this announcement. If you wish to receive notification via email, go to the web page https://unixunanimous.org/mailman/listinfo/u-u/ in order to subscribe yourself. A map of the area can be found at http://unixunanimous.org where this message is repeated, and will always contain the correct location and time of the next meeting. _______________________________________________ u-u mailing list u-u-sb41XHKw7bdvuSlQZN9BUtrUbErFZevf at public.gmane.org https://unixunanimous.org/mailman/listinfo/u-u -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 9 21:21:30 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:21:30 -0500 Subject: Last night's talk. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D77EF5A.7070007@utoronto.ca> On 03/ 9/11 03:54 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > Just a quick public thank you to Sacha Chua for her talk on org-mode. > > For those of you running Debian (or some of the Debian based Linux > distributions such as Ubuntu) adding emacs and org-mode can be as > simple as typing : > > apt-get install emacs org-mode > > Getting emacs and org-mode to do some of the tricks demonstrated last > evening ... well, that is the next challenge :-) . > > Anyway, another thanks. I've got mine basically working (learned about TAB so far) per the instructions here: http://orgmode.org/guide/Activation.html#Activation If your Emacs doesn't ship with orgmode, the install seems pretty straightforward: http://orgmode.org/guide/Installation.html#Installation Some friends and I were inspired and are giving up vi/nano/foo editors for 40 days and using Emacs. So far so good. I'm finding that Tramp is especially handy since it means not installing emacs on multiple servers. It even has TAB filename completion over ssh. Thanks Sacha! Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 9 21:40:32 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 16:40:32 -0500 Subject: Last night's talk. In-Reply-To: <4D77EF5A.7070007-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D77EF5A.7070007@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On 03/ 9/11 03:54 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: >> Just a quick public thank you to Sacha Chua for her talk on org-mode. >> >> For those of you running Debian (or some of the Debian based Linux >> distributions such as Ubuntu) adding emacs and org-mode can be as >> simple as typing : >> >> apt-get install emacs org-mode >> >> Getting emacs and org-mode to do some of the tricks demonstrated last >> evening ... well, that is the next challenge :-) . >> >> Anyway, another thanks. > > I've got mine basically working (learned about TAB so far) per the > instructions here: http://orgmode.org/guide/Activation.html#Activation > > If your Emacs doesn't ship with orgmode, the install seems pretty > straightforward: http://orgmode.org/guide/Installation.html#Installation FYI, I found what was missing last night regarding the "templates" thing... Sasha was adding new entries which would get templated (based on pre-specified template, so that one might record "notes", "new books," and probably other stuff). This requires an extra line of config, as org-mode does not automatically include org-capture. For similar beginnings, the following 3 lines do the trick fairly well: (require 'org-capture) (setq org-default-notes-file (concat org-directory "/notes.org")) (global-set-key "\C-cc" 'org-capture) I expect Sasha has something like the following, as well: (custom-set-variables (org-directory "~/Dropbox/org")) ;;; She mentioned she's using DropBox for her org files... Presumably she's got some definitions of templates that do things like capturing timestamps, automatically "typing in" material, and such; that's not a "day #1" kind of thing :-). One of the coolest things that I saw is the checkbox functionality. You type in: - [ ] Item 1 - [ ] Item 2 - [ ] item 3 And then you can use the typical "magic C-c C-c" on the [ ] to have it switch the checkbox on and off. Superb for dealing with checklists. "I'll bet there's a way" to make it capture timestamps, which would make this mighty useful for helping manage reports on operational activities... "We began maintenance at [whenever I c-c c-c'ed Item 1. The steps were completed at... their various times. The outage ended at... the timestamp on the last one." This fits directly with the bit of discussion of "doing GTD using Org mode." () Someone was wondering if Org mode was made for this; I'm quite sure it was NOT, but rather, cool extensions have kept getting added in that makes it pretty easy to implement a GTD system using Org mode. > Some friends and I were inspired and are giving up vi/nano/foo editors > for 40 days and using Emacs. So far so good. I'm finding that Tramp is > especially handy since it means not installing emacs on multiple > servers. It even has TAB filename completion over ssh. Tramp's pretty awesome. I only just barely got into it before a departmental change that reduced its usefulness to me. When I was in operations, I'd be logging into wacky sets of places and editing files whereever, and, for that, Tramp is awesome. Emacs only needs to be on my workstation; I can use ssh (or other protocols!) to get at the files elsewhere. I daresay that, as well, other solutions have been becoming preferable to "ssh over there and edit something", between: a) Edit the cfengine configuration to "do something better," and then unleash it, so I don't even ever need to ssh over there. b) Edit the configuration in the [Git|Darcs|Svn|...] repo, check it in, and watch it get checked back out elsewhere. Those represent a shift from "do stuff" to "impose policy," which tends to be a more scalable way to think about administering systems. Tramp is still mighty cool :-). -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 9 22:14:52 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:14:52 -0500 Subject: Last night's talk. In-Reply-To: References: <4D77EF5A.7070007@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4D77FBDC.6020403@utoronto.ca> On 3/9/2011 4:40 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > I daresay that, as well, other solutions have been becoming preferable > to "ssh over there and edit something", between: > > a) Edit the cfengine configuration to "do something better," and then > unleash it, so I don't even ever need to ssh over there. > > b) Edit the configuration in the [Git|Darcs|Svn|...] repo, check it > in, and watch it get checked back out elsewhere. > > Those represent a shift from "do stuff" to "impose policy," which > tends to be a more scalable way to think about administering systems. > > Tramp is still mighty cool :-). Go figure, I've been editing puppet manifests all day with Tramp. In typical (it seems to me at least) Emacs fasion, the reason for doing so is, well, because I can ;) Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sacha-bc55NVWLdWuB+jHODAdFcQ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 10 03:33:16 2011 From: sacha-bc55NVWLdWuB+jHODAdFcQ at public.gmane.org (Sacha Chua) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 22:33:16 -0500 Subject: Last night's talk. In-Reply-To: <4D77FBDC.6020403-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D77EF5A.7070007@utoronto.ca> <4D77FBDC.6020403@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Hello, Jamon, all! How wonderful to see all these follow-up ideas and notes! a) Edit the cfengine configuration to "do something better," and then >> unleash it, so I don't even ever need to ssh over there. >> b) Edit the configuration in the [Git|Darcs|Svn|...] repo, check it >> in, and watch it get checked back out elsewhere. >> Those represent a shift from "do stuff" to "impose policy," which >> tends to be a more scalable way to think about administering systems. >> > Version control is a much better way to do things, of course, and has the benefit of much faster editing/saving. There's version control support for Git, Subversion, etc., to make commits, diffs, and annotations much easier. That way, you don't even have to think about what version control system is behind your files. > Go figure, I've been editing puppet manifests all day with Tramp. In > typical (it seems to me at least) Emacs fasion, the reason for doing so is, > well, because I can ;) Precisely. My contribution to following up: =) http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ScreenPlay , http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CategoryWriting Sacha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 10 11:18:48 2011 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 06:18:48 -0500 Subject: firewire external drive enclosures Message-ID: Computer locked up yesterday wouldn't boot. (Coincidently my horoscope in the post predicted exactly this ;) ) Anyways, I'm looking for a firewire drive enclosure. Does anyone have any good recommendations. Data Robotics looks interesting. Dave Cramer VP Software Development Visible Assets Inc. www.visibleassets.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 10 16:09:45 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:09:45 -0500 Subject: Gentoo -- help In-Reply-To: <20110308075906.GA21570-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110307021451.GA3491@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110308075906.GA21570@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20110310160944.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> Thanks Walter, but I gave up already. I thought you start with minimal install, and run some command to start compiling process, and just sit back and watch. -- William On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 02:59:06AM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 09:14:51PM -0500, William Park wrote > > Hi all, > > > > I decided to try Gentoo. I downloaded "netinstall" version > > gentoo-install-amd64-minimal-20110224.iso > > and am able to boot to shell prompt. What do I do then? > > I thought it would be just minimal install, from which you install other > > stuffs. But, it's not. And, I gave up browsing gentoo.org... can't make > > head or tail of it. > > Rather than the multiple chapters, I prefer the all-in-one webpage > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1 > > The install requires some manual work/configuration. Here is the hint > that saves the most work. If you have another linux machine, or even a > Windows machine with Putty, on your installing machine... > - run "net-setup" to get the network functional > - run "passwd" and set a password > - run "/etc/init.d/sshd" to start the ssh daemon > - walk over to the other machine, and ssh into the installing machine > > Now you can web browse the install webpage for install instructions, > and copy+paste commands into the terminal window that's connected to the > installing machine. Makes things *MUCH* more convenient. It's also > nice, because you can now scp config files like /etc/resolv.conf from > your linux machine over to the installing machine. > > If you can't do this, then you'll have to do the following... > - run "net-setup" to get the network functional > - press {ALT-F2} to get to the second tty > - "links http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1" > to bring up the install instructions > - if "links" isn't available, try "links2" > - press {ALT-F1} to switch back to the install, and {ALT-F2} to view the > install docs > I believe that the gpm daemon runs by default, so you can cut-n-paste > in text consoles. If it isn't running, execute the command... > "/etc/init.d/gpm" to start it. > > Other helpful hints... > - when setting up /etc/make.conf I recommend including... > CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -mfpmath=sse -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe" > CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" > MAKEOPTS="-j1" > ...the first 2 lines are standard. The "-j1" solves the occasional > compile that mysteriously blows up. Yes, higher values are *SUPPOSED* > to work OK, but occasionally they don't. "-j1" slows down the compile > process slightly, but... > - the compiled program is just as fast > - spending an hour trying to figure out why a compile is blowing up will > use up more time than you "save" with higher values. Besides which, > the build process can run in the background. Note that you can browse > the web with Firefox while Firefox is being re-built. This may be a > bit hard to grasp, but it does work. > > For a GUI, build xorg-server, *NOT* xorg-x11. xorg-x11 is a > "monolithic" build that pulls in a lot of extraneous stuff. > > Unless you're familiar with PAM, and are hosting other users on your > machine, mask it out and save yourself a lot of hassle. config files > are set up differently under PAM, and 99% of the docs on the web assume > you're not using PAM. > > Also, mask out HAL. It's being deprecated and even the lead developer > has admitted that it is excrement. > > The gentoo-user mailing-list subscription instructions are at... > http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml > > Send me (offline) the output of "lspci -v" and "cat /proc/cpuinfo" on > the machine to be installed, and I can help you get set up a bit faster. > Setting up your USE var is a bit of an art. > > -- > Walter Dnes > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 10 16:19:23 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:19:23 -0500 Subject: Gentoo -- help In-Reply-To: <20110310160944.GA4021-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110307021451.GA3491@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110308075906.GA21570@waltdnes.org> <20110310160944.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: Sounds like my experience, i then used Sabayon which was nice, but in the end became a very happy mint user. If you want to stick with gentoo "like" distro, you may want to go Sabayon, then work "backwards" as need arises. tl On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:09 AM, William Park wrote: > Thanks Walter, but I gave up already. ?I thought you start with minimal > install, and run some command to start compiling process, and just sit > back and watch. > -- > William > > On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 02:59:06AM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 09:14:51PM -0500, William Park wrote >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I decided to try Gentoo. ?I downloaded "netinstall" version >> > ? ? gentoo-install-amd64-minimal-20110224.iso >> > and am able to boot to shell prompt. ?What do I do then? >> > I thought it would be just minimal install, from which you install other >> > stuffs. ?But, it's not. ?And, I gave up browsing gentoo.org... can't make >> > head or tail of it. >> >> ? Rather than the multiple chapters, I prefer the all-in-one webpage >> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1 >> >> ? The install requires some manual work/configuration. ?Here is the hint >> that saves the most work. ?If you have another linux machine, or even a >> Windows machine with Putty, on your installing machine... >> - run "net-setup" to get the network functional >> - run "passwd" and set a password >> - run "/etc/init.d/sshd" to start the ssh daemon >> - walk over to the other machine, and ssh into the installing machine >> >> ? Now you can web browse the install webpage for install instructions, >> and copy+paste commands into the terminal window that's connected to the >> installing machine. ?Makes things *MUCH* more convenient. ?It's also >> nice, because you can now scp config files like /etc/resolv.conf from >> your linux machine over to the installing machine. >> >> ? If you can't do this, then you'll have to do the following... >> - run "net-setup" to get the network functional >> - press {ALT-F2} to get to the second tty >> - "links http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1" >> ? to bring up the install instructions >> - if "links" isn't available, try "links2" >> - press {ALT-F1} to switch back to the install, and {ALT-F2} to view the >> ? install docs >> ? I believe that the gpm daemon runs by default, so you can cut-n-paste >> in text consoles. ?If it isn't running, execute the command... >> "/etc/init.d/gpm" to start it. >> >> ? Other helpful hints... >> - when setting up /etc/make.conf I recommend including... >> CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -mfpmath=sse -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe" >> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" >> MAKEOPTS="-j1" >> ? ...the first 2 lines are standard. ?The "-j1" solves the occasional >> compile that mysteriously blows up. ?Yes, higher values are *SUPPOSED* >> to work OK, but occasionally they don't. ?"-j1" slows down the compile >> process slightly, but... >> - the compiled program is just as fast >> - spending an hour trying to figure out why a compile is blowing up will >> ? use up more time than you "save" with higher values. ?Besides which, >> ? the build process can run in the background. ?Note that you can browse >> ? the web with Firefox while Firefox is being re-built. ?This may be a >> ? bit hard to grasp, but it does work. >> >> ? For a GUI, build xorg-server, *NOT* xorg-x11. ?xorg-x11 is a >> "monolithic" build that pulls in a lot of extraneous stuff. >> >> ? Unless you're familiar with PAM, and are hosting other users on your >> machine, mask it out and save yourself a lot of hassle. ?config files >> are set up differently under PAM, and 99% of the docs on the web assume >> you're not using PAM. >> >> ? Also, mask out HAL. ?It's being deprecated and even the lead developer >> has admitted that it is excrement. >> >> ? The gentoo-user mailing-list subscription instructions are at... >> http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml >> >> ? Send me (offline) the output of "lspci -v" and "cat /proc/cpuinfo" on >> the machine to be installed, and I can help you get set up a bit faster. >> Setting up your USE var is a bit of an art. >> >> -- >> Walter Dnes >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 10 16:24:57 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:24:57 -0500 Subject: $1k ThinkPad Canada Coupon Code | Employee Pricing Event In-Reply-To: <20110211175408.GT347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <372804.62045.qm@web31302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4D540DB1.7070203@ve3syb.ca> <20110210204421.GS347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D5466AD.8000402@yaknet.ca> <20110211175408.GT347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Hey Lennart, Thanks for the advice on the 6300 AGN intel card with the thinkpad. I installed ubuntu 10.10 on it, it worked flawlessly out of the box. I bought the X201, its a great laptop..so far anyways.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 10 18:32:53 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:32:53 -0500 Subject: $1k ThinkPad Canada Coupon Code | Employee Pricing Event In-Reply-To: References: <372804.62045.qm@web31302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4D540DB1.7070203@ve3syb.ca> <20110210204421.GS347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D5466AD.8000402@yaknet.ca> <20110211175408.GT347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110310183253.GG347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:24:57AM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Thanks for the advice on the 6300 AGN intel card with the thinkpad. Yeah the 5xxx and 6xxx are simply flawless. Can't go wrong with them. > I installed ubuntu 10.10 on it, it worked flawlessly out of the box. > > I bought the X201, its a great laptop..so far anyways.... Great. Hope it keeps being great. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 10 18:51:03 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:51:03 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu using Unity as main desktop Message-ID: Hi Guys, I wonder what everyone's thoughts are on the new Unity Desktop for X windows is? Ubuntu seems to think highly of it as it's making its default manager Unity. I'm looking at youtube videos, it seems to have a mac feel to it, thinking of trying it on a virtual instance to see how it is. What do you all think about it? -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 10 19:09:41 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 14:09:41 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu using Unity as main desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I wonder what everyone's thoughts are on the new Unity Desktop for X windows > is? Ubuntu seems to think highly of it as it's making its default > manager Unity. > > I'm looking at youtube videos, it seems to have a mac feel to it, thinking > of trying it on a virtual instance to see how it is. > > What do you all think about it? Don't know it, haven't tried it. What I do know is that poking at new software is usual fun / usually interesting, just as long as you are not risking @#$% your "production" boxes. So, sure put it into a virtual instance and/or put it on an old "test" PC then kick it around for a while. If things don't work out you can delete the virtual instance or reformat the test PC with no great loss. If things do work out you can start thinking about installing Unity on your "production" machines. Colin. > -- > > > > Dave Germiquet > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 10 19:11:27 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:11:27 -0800 Subject: Ubuntu using Unity as main desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What type of production box? Most places I would tend to have gnome would be "Desktop" boxes. On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> >> I wonder what everyone's thoughts are on the new Unity Desktop for X windows >> is? Ubuntu seems to think highly of it as it's making its default >> manager Unity. >> >> I'm looking at youtube videos, it seems to have a mac feel to it, thinking >> of trying it on a virtual instance to see how it is. >> >> What do you all think about it? > > Don't know it, haven't tried it. What I do know is that poking at new > software is usual fun / usually interesting, just as long as you are > not risking @#$% your "production" boxes. So, sure put it into a > virtual instance and/or put it on an old "test" PC then kick it around > for a while. If things don't work out you can delete the virtual > instance or reformat the test PC with no great loss. If things do work > out you can start thinking about installing Unity on your "production" > machines. > > Colin. > >> -- >> >> >> >> Dave Germiquet >> >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA "Computers don't make mistakes. They can, however, execute those provided to them very quickly" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mdhillca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 10 19:27:25 2011 From: mdhillca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Hill) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 14:27:25 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu using Unity as main desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > I wonder what everyone's thoughts are on the new Unity Desktop for X windows > is? Ubuntu seems to think highly of it as it's making its default manager Unity. I upgraded to Natty on the weekend, but haven't given Unity much of a chance. I was curious to see how GNOME Shell worked with my new video card (it didn't, the install needs debugging), so I made use of GDM's sessions list where Unity and GNOME Shell have entries but Ubuntu Classic just works. (Unity starts well but I didn't have time to poke around to see how to navigate it.) Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 10 19:40:39 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 14:40:39 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu using Unity as main desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > What type of production box? Most places I would tend to have gnome > would be "Desktop" boxes. I would consider any box where if the box is not working properly, I am ... very unhappy to be a production box. So, this currently means my MythTV (media server) box (Mythbuntu), my old WRT54G router (Tomato Linux) and my default workstation (Debian Linux). If my test PC, or my Mac or my old Sun box are unavailable for 72 hours, yawn, it is unfortunate, but not a big issue in my books. If one of the first three are not available when I want I am ... not happy ... Expains why when I want to look at say a new distro. I will first put it on the test PC... Colin. > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I wonder what everyone's thoughts are on the new Unity Desktop for X windows >>> is? Ubuntu seems to think highly of it as it's making its default >>> manager Unity. >>> >>> I'm looking at youtube videos, it seems to have a mac feel to it, thinking >>> of trying it on a virtual instance to see how it is. >>> >>> What do you all think about it? >> >> Don't know it, haven't tried it. What I do know is that poking at new >> software is usual fun / usually interesting, just as long as you are >> not risking @#$% your "production" boxes. So, sure put it into a >> virtual instance and/or put it on an old "test" PC then kick it around >> for a while. If things don't work out you can delete the virtual >> instance or reformat the test PC with no great loss. If things do work >> out you can start thinking about installing Unity on your "production" >> machines. >> >> Colin. >> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave Germiquet >>> >>> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA > > "Computers don't make mistakes. They can, however, execute those > provided to them very quickly" > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 10 20:15:26 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:15:26 -0500 Subject: $1k ThinkPad Canada Coupon Code | Employee Pricing Event In-Reply-To: <4D540257.6060407-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <372804.62045.qm@web31302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4D540257.6060407@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Digimer wrote: > On 02/10/2011 10:17 AM, dave jackson wrote: >> -come& get 'em tlugers! >> cheers, >> dj >> >> >> http://www.thinkpadtoday.com/1000-thinkpad-canada-coupon-code-employee-pricing-event.htm >> >> To cash in on these unbelievable deals just use this ThinkPad L Series Coupon Code, ThinkPad T Series Coupon Code, ThinkPad X201 Coupon Code or this ThinkPad W Series Coupon Code. >> >> > >> This Lenovo Employee Pricing Event expires February 13, 2011. >> >> Use the ThinkPad Canada Coupon Code CAPEMPLOYEEPRICINGEVENT at checkout. > > Can anyone vouch for Dave? Name isn't familiar to me, and I'm catching a > wiff of spam. Sort of. In going back through old e-mails I saw a posting from March 2009. Now, I don't keep all my old e-mails, so he may have been around longer ... All the posts that I have around from Dave have been laptop related (Lenovo or Toshiba), and not many of those, but that may just be a function of what posts seemed to have any value in keeping around... Colin. > -- > Digimer > E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org > AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com > Node Assassin: ?http://nodeassassin.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 10 20:24:50 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:24:50 -0500 Subject: $1k ThinkPad Canada Coupon Code | Employee Pricing Event In-Reply-To: <20110310183253.GG347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <372804.62045.qm@web31302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4D540DB1.7070203@ve3syb.ca> <20110210204421.GS347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D5466AD.8000402@yaknet.ca> <20110211175408.GT347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110310183253.GG347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110310202450.GB787@amber> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 01:32:53PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Yeah the 5xxx and 6xxx are simply flawless. Can't go wrong with them. I bought a w510 on this sale -- the price was simply Too Good to Miss -- and so far, under gentoo, everything works: suspend/hibernate, the special function keys, the screen with nouveau, and so on. Haven't tried configuring the fingerprint reader yet (that's this weekend), but I must say I'm very impressed with this model. It really flies. And the keyboard is wonderful, as they tend to be on ThinkPads. I'm upgrading from a regular Lenovo, and I must say it's a big improvement. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's not always easy to get through the day, though. It's not a distro for dabbling. The brand-new Gentoo LiveDVD was designed to show the sorts of things that are possible with gentoo. But really they are the sorts of things that are possible with Linux in more or less any distribution. What gives gentoo the appeal it has is low-level control over the whole of your system, including freedom from other people's choices about binaries. I find that I wind up modifying source code about once every six weeks or so. But I never get stuck waiting for someone else to update a dependency, or wishing they wouldn't compile in certain dependencies, the way it happens with other distributions. You also get to spend recreational time watching gcc do its magic! -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From voidpointer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 11 15:59:36 2011 From: voidpointer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Nicolaides) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:59:36 -0500 Subject: firewire external drive enclosures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have always been a fan of Vantec's enclosures. Here is a single disk enclosure with USB/Firewire/eSATA: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=14_203&item_id=017126 Cheers, Jason On 10 March 2011 06:18, Dave Cramer wrote: > Computer locked up yesterday wouldn't boot. (Coincidently my horoscope > in the post predicted exactly this ;) ) Anyways, I'm looking for a > firewire drive enclosure. Does anyone have any good recommendations. > Data Robotics looks interesting. > > Dave Cramer > VP Software Development > Visible Assets Inc. > www.visibleassets.com > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- "Surround yourself with all you own, Work your fingers to the bone, And happiness evades you still..." Assemblage 23, "I am the Rain" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The following are what's generated by the policy and NAT rules. # the firewall are denied and logged $IPTABLES -N In_RULE_7 for i_eth1 in $i_eth1_list do test -n "$i_eth1" && $IPTABLES -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp -d $i_eth1 --dport 993 -m state --state NEW -j In_RULE_7 done $IPTABLES -A In_RULE_7 -j LOG --log-level info --log-prefix "RULE 7 -- ACCEPT " $IPTABLES -A In_RULE_7 -j ACCEPT firewall / NAT / rule 1 echo "Rule 1 (NAT)" # for i_eth1 in $i_eth1_list do test -n "$i_eth1" && $IPTABLES -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp -d $i_eth1 --dport 993 -j DNAT --to-destination 172.16.1.10 done Any ideas? tnx jk -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 12 09:56:09 2011 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 19:56:09 +1000 (EST) Subject: firewire external drive enclosures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Jason Nicolaides wrote: > I have always been a fan of Vantec's enclosures. Here is a single disk > enclosure with USB/Firewire/eSATA: At the risk of saying "me too" I've also been using the Vantec Nexstar for years and been very happy with it. Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Contributing member of Software in the Public Interest (http://spi-inc.org/) Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 13 13:18:32 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:18:32 -0400 Subject: firewire external drive enclosures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D7CC428.4050308@utoronto.ca> On 03/12/2011 04:56 AM, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Jason Nicolaides wrote: > >> I have always been a fan of Vantec's enclosures. Here is a single disk >> enclosure with USB/Firewire/eSATA: > > At the risk of saying "me too" I've also been using the Vantec Nexstar > for years and been very happy with it. +1 for their enclosures. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 13 14:56:24 2011 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:56:24 -0400 Subject: firewire external drive enclosures In-Reply-To: <4D7CC428.4050308-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D7CC428.4050308@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On 03/12/2011 04:56 AM, Robert Brockway wrote: >> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Jason Nicolaides wrote: >> >>> I have always been a fan of Vantec's enclosures. ?Here is a single disk >>> enclosure with USB/Firewire/eSATA: >> >> At the risk of saying "me too" I've also been using the Vantec Nexstar >> for years and been very happy with it. > > +1 for their enclosures. > > Jamon I ordered the data robotics enclosure. I like that it takes 4 drives, we'll see how their block level raid works. Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 14 01:11:45 2011 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 21:11:45 -0400 Subject: Gentoo -- help In-Reply-To: <20110310160944.GA4021-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110307021451.GA3491@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110308075906.GA21570@waltdnes.org> <20110310160944.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <23d193dfce95cd1ef9c0e9039b9d81f6.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Don't get discouraged. When I first started using Gentoo about 8 years ago it took me a few weeks and many attempts to get a system up and running. It was a steep learning curve and nothing like other distributions but once it was all up and running its great. I really like portage. > Thanks Walter, but I gave up already. I thought you start with minimal > install, and run some command to start compiling process, and just sit > back and watch. > -- > William > > On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 02:59:06AM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 09:14:51PM -0500, William Park wrote >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I decided to try Gentoo. I downloaded "netinstall" version >> > gentoo-install-amd64-minimal-20110224.iso >> > and am able to boot to shell prompt. What do I do then? >> > I thought it would be just minimal install, from which you install >> other >> > stuffs. But, it's not. And, I gave up browsing gentoo.org... can't >> make >> > head or tail of it. >> >> Rather than the multiple chapters, I prefer the all-in-one webpage >> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1 >> >> The install requires some manual work/configuration. Here is the hint >> that saves the most work. If you have another linux machine, or even a >> Windows machine with Putty, on your installing machine... >> - run "net-setup" to get the network functional >> - run "passwd" and set a password >> - run "/etc/init.d/sshd" to start the ssh daemon >> - walk over to the other machine, and ssh into the installing machine >> >> Now you can web browse the install webpage for install instructions, >> and copy+paste commands into the terminal window that's connected to the >> installing machine. Makes things *MUCH* more convenient. It's also >> nice, because you can now scp config files like /etc/resolv.conf from >> your linux machine over to the installing machine. >> >> If you can't do this, then you'll have to do the following... >> - run "net-setup" to get the network functional >> - press {ALT-F2} to get to the second tty >> - "links >> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1" >> to bring up the install instructions >> - if "links" isn't available, try "links2" >> - press {ALT-F1} to switch back to the install, and {ALT-F2} to view the >> install docs >> I believe that the gpm daemon runs by default, so you can cut-n-paste >> in text consoles. If it isn't running, execute the command... >> "/etc/init.d/gpm" to start it. >> >> Other helpful hints... >> - when setting up /etc/make.conf I recommend including... >> CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -mfpmath=sse -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe" >> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" >> MAKEOPTS="-j1" >> ...the first 2 lines are standard. The "-j1" solves the occasional >> compile that mysteriously blows up. Yes, higher values are *SUPPOSED* >> to work OK, but occasionally they don't. "-j1" slows down the compile >> process slightly, but... >> - the compiled program is just as fast >> - spending an hour trying to figure out why a compile is blowing up will >> use up more time than you "save" with higher values. Besides which, >> the build process can run in the background. Note that you can browse >> the web with Firefox while Firefox is being re-built. This may be a >> bit hard to grasp, but it does work. >> >> For a GUI, build xorg-server, *NOT* xorg-x11. xorg-x11 is a >> "monolithic" build that pulls in a lot of extraneous stuff. >> >> Unless you're familiar with PAM, and are hosting other users on your >> machine, mask it out and save yourself a lot of hassle. config files >> are set up differently under PAM, and 99% of the docs on the web assume >> you're not using PAM. >> >> Also, mask out HAL. It's being deprecated and even the lead developer >> has admitted that it is excrement. >> >> The gentoo-user mailing-list subscription instructions are at... >> http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml >> >> Send me (offline) the output of "lspci -v" and "cat /proc/cpuinfo" on >> the machine to be installed, and I can help you get set up a bit faster. >> Setting up your USE var is a bit of an art. >> >> -- >> Walter Dnes >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 14 14:29:58 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:29:58 -0400 Subject: firewire external drive enclosures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110314142958.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 07:56:09PM +1000, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Jason Nicolaides wrote: > >> I have always been a fan of Vantec's enclosures. Here is a single disk >> enclosure with USB/Firewire/eSATA: > > At the risk of saying "me too" I've also been using the Vantec Nexstar > for years and been very happy with it. Me too! (But not firewire, just eSata and USB). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 14 19:14:07 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:14:07 -0400 Subject: Secure portal, extranet Message-ID: <20110314191407.GA16414@yam.witteman.ca> Does anyone have any thoughts about what software to choose to set up an extranet or secure portal for off-site people to exchange files and information securely? I am not finding anything obvious, and guidance would be most appreciated. Thanks! -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 14 20:00:01 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:00:01 -0400 Subject: Secure portal, extranet In-Reply-To: <4D7E6AB1.80804-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <20110314191407.GA16414@yam.witteman.ca> <4D7E6AB1.80804@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <20110314200001.GA16688@yam.witteman.ca> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 03:21:21PM -0400, JOSE wrote: >On 14/03/2011 3:14 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >>Does anyone have any thoughts about what software to choose to set up an >>extranet or secure portal for off-site people to exchange files and >>information securely? I am not finding anything obvious, and guidance >>would be most appreciated. Thanks! > >how about drupal? How secure is drupal? My understanding is that it is a fine web framework, but not that you can use it for a high-security extranet. Am I wrong? Could you reference some documentation? Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 14 20:03:42 2011 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:03:42 -0400 Subject: Secure portal, extranet In-Reply-To: <20110314191407.GA16414-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110314191407.GA16414@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: I am using DokuWiki for my private wiki (extranet) and my public wiki. They have a nice page on how to secure your DokuWiki instance . On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 3:14 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Does anyone have any thoughts about what software to choose to set up an > extranet or secure portal for off-site people to exchange files and > information securely? ?I am not finding anything obvious, and guidance > would be most appreciated. ?Thanks! > -- > > yours, > > William > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFNfmj/HQtmiuz+KT8RAvUhAJ9h+EpvcuiqIWFtOGnfuetjgF2EsQCgrWGs > KgdS2050sVijUcH+pAVp18M= > =O3Yw > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- Myles Braithwaite http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From david.vangeest-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 14 20:54:00 2011 From: david.vangeest-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David van Geest) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:54:00 -0400 Subject: Secure portal, extranet In-Reply-To: <20110314191407.GA16414-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110314191407.GA16414@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 3:14 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Does anyone have any thoughts about what software to choose to set up an > extranet or secure portal for off-site people to exchange files and > information securely? ?I am not finding anything obvious, and guidance > would be most appreciated. ?Thanks! Are you developing an application to do this, or do you just want off-the-shelf? For OTS, we've been using Basecamp at work, it works relatively well. The only thing I know about security in this case is that basecamphq.com provides an SSL site. -- David van Geest http://davidvg.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 14 21:02:30 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Secure portal, extranet In-Reply-To: <20110314191407.GA16414-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110314191407.GA16414@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <802616.70190.qm@web113414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > From: William O'Higgins Witteman > Does anyone have any thoughts about what software to choose to set up an > extranet or secure portal for off-site people to exchange files and > information securely? I am not finding anything obvious, and guidance > would be most appreciated. Thanks! ssh ? -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jwcampbell-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 15 01:02:55 2011 From: jwcampbell-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jim Campbell) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:02:55 -0500 Subject: Gnome documentation hackers in Toronto this week Message-ID: Hi All, I'm not from Toronto, but a group of us will be in Toronto to hack on Gnome 3.0 documentation this week, and I wanted to see if any of you may be interested in joining us. We'll be meeting up at Seneca college to work on both Gnome user docs and Gnome developer / platform docs, and will be around between March 17th and the 23rd. If you have some free time, some experience with documentation (ala Docbook, Mallard, API docs, etc.) and you are interested in joining us, feel free to send a note to me (jwcampbell-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) or the Gnome documentation team lead, Shaun McCance (shaunm-rDKQcyrBJuzYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org). We can fill you in on the details. Thanks very much, and we will look forward to hacking on docs in your lovely city! Jim https://launchpad.net/~jwcampbell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a good thought, but I have not seen an SSH client for windows that someone could use for information exchange without a lot of understanding not native to windows users in general. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 15 02:07:59 2011 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:07:59 -0300 Subject: Gnome documentation hackers in Toronto this week In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's cool. Well, I'm not a gnome user and also I'm not from Toronto. I'm a KDE contributor on KDE-BR, meaning I'm from Brazil and I'm living in Brazil right now. Even lliving in here, would be possible to help this team or just wishing luck? Even not using gnome as my primary platform, I encourage the project and I am anxious to see the changes on this 3.0 version. Despite not living in Toronto right now, can I help this regard? I mean, the job will only be face to face? Anyway, wish you guys luck. --- - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org - KDE Brasil Member - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Jim Campbell wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm not from Toronto, but a group of us will be in Toronto to hack on Gnome > 3.0 documentation this week, and I wanted to see if any of you may be > interested in joining us. We'll be meeting up at Seneca college to work on > both Gnome user docs and Gnome developer / platform docs, and will be around > between March 17th and the 23rd. > > If you have some free time, some experience with documentation (ala > Docbook, Mallard, API docs, etc.) and you are interested in joining us, feel > free to send a note to me (jwcampbell-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) or the Gnome > documentation team lead, Shaun McCance (shaunm-rDKQcyrBJuzYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org). We can fill you > in on the details. > > Thanks very much, and we will look forward to hacking on docs in your > lovely city! > > Jim > https://launchpad.net/~jwcampbell > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As far as being able to contribute from Brazil (!), I would recommend grabbing the sources from git.gnome.org [0]. I think the best thing would be to submit patches / merge requests through the gnome-docs mailing list [1]. We will also be available in the #docs IRC channel on the irc.gnome.org network. (We have 8 people who will be in Toronto for the hackfest.) Of course, these participation options are available for people in Toronto, too. I know it's short notice, but just thought that I would make some contact in case any of the Toronto residents would be interested in meeting up / contributing in person, too. Thanks very much, Jim [0] http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-user-docs/ [1] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-doc-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 15 10:53:02 2011 From: gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Eric Battersby) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 06:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Secure portal, extranet In-Reply-To: <20110315020341.GB18716-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110314191407.GA16414@yam.witteman.ca> <802616.70190.qm@web113414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110315020341.GB18716@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Mar 2011, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 02:02:30PM -0700, William Park wrote: > > >> Does anyone have any thoughts about what software to choose to set up an > >> extranet or secure portal for off-site people to exchange files and > >> information securely? I am not finding anything obvious, and guidance > >> would be most appreciated. Thanks! > > > >ssh ? > > It's a good thought, but I have not seen an SSH client for windows that > someone could use for information exchange without a lot of > understanding not native to windows users in general. You wouldn't need to use the SSH client for information exchange, but to establish the connection. Have the Windows users run PuTTY to SSH login to your server while port forwarding a local port, say 8080, to localhost:80 on your server (assuming port 80 is not publicly visible). Then have them perform the information exchange on your private web server using their browser, eg: http://127.0.0.1:8080 . -- Eric Battersby -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jwcampbell-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 15 13:35:05 2011 From: jwcampbell-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jim Campbell) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 08:35:05 -0500 Subject: Gnome documentation hackers in Toronto this week In-Reply-To: <4D7F01E4.4040003-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4D7F01E4.4040003@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: Hi Kevin, On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Jim Campbell wrote: > >> We'll be meeting up at Seneca college >> > > Which campus? > We will be at the Centre for Development of Open Technology (CDOT) at Seneca College, York University campus. Does that help? jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 15 14:41:55 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:41:55 -0400 Subject: Remembering yesteryear Message-ID: Recalling some of the "hot topics" of Linux past... http://xach.livejournal.com/286549.html -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 15 14:53:03 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Secure portal, extranet In-Reply-To: References: <20110314191407.GA16414@yam.witteman.ca> <802616.70190.qm@web113414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110315020341.GB18716@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <793030.12275.qm@web113402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Another is VPN which involves similar administration work as SSH. -- William ----- Original Message ---- > From: Eric Battersby > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 6:53:02 AM > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Secure portal, extranet > > On Mon, 14 Mar 2011, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 02:02:30PM -0700, William Park wrote: > > > > >> Does anyone have any thoughts about what software to choose to set up >an > > >> extranet or secure portal for off-site people to exchange files and > > >> information securely? I am not finding anything obvious, and guidance > > >> would be most appreciated. Thanks! > > > > > >ssh ? > > > > It's a good thought, but I have not seen an SSH client for windows that > > someone could use for information exchange without a lot of > > understanding not native to windows users in general. > > You wouldn't need to use the SSH client for information > exchange, but to establish the connection. Have the Windows > users run PuTTY to SSH login to your server while port > forwarding a local port, say 8080, to localhost:80 on your > server (assuming port 80 is not publicly visible). > > Then have them perform the information exchange on your private web > server using their browser, eg: http://127.0.0.1:8080 . > > -- > Eric Battersby > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 15 15:27:19 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:27:19 -0400 Subject: Hardware Chart. Message-ID: Found out about this via Jim Mercer, a chart show various sorts of computer connectors / sockets. Very good but slightly dated, the G34 CPU chips have now been out now for almost a year (but are labeled "Future" on the chart). Some of the other items I would not expect to see outside a computer museum, like ISA card slots and 40 pin dip CPU sockets. Still, if you need to know how to ID sockets at a glance, this is useful: http://sprki.com/computer-hardware-chart.html Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 15 15:54:19 2011 From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:54:19 -0400 Subject: Anyone interested in an Ubuntu Hour? Message-ID: Hey everyone, I wanted to organize an Ubuntu Hour here in the city of Toronto. For those wondering what an Ubuntu Hour is, here is the wiki page. In short, it's a public meeting in a place like a coffee shop where we can discuss various topics (doesn't have to be Ubuntu). If anybody is interested, do reply, I can then register an event on the Ubuntu Canada Loco team webpage. Alternatively, you can drop by in #ubuntu-ca on Freenode to discuss. (I'm staticsafe) I am also looking for a decent venue for such an event, someone suggested to me about Linux Caffe , any others? P.S - There is also a Ubuntu Natty Release party here in Toronto coming up - http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/781/detail/ -- Sadiq Saif http://asininetech.com https://launchpad.net/~staticsafe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 15 16:43:11 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Anyone interested in an Ubuntu Hour? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Sadiq Saif | I wanted to organize an Ubuntu Hour here in the city of Toronto. I have mixed reactions to this: - more power to you: the more promotion the better! - (but I'm moderately allergic to promotion.) - why Ubuntu and not Linux and FLOSS in general? - Why Ubuntu and not Ubuntu Linux? (Talk about nit picking!) - what is an Ubuntu Hour? The wiki page doesn't make that at all clear beyond "We are trying to promote Ubuntu to the general public". - TLUG should also be reaching out to the general public but we don't seem to manage that (I'm at least as guilty as anyone else). I'm glad someone is trying. - are there lessons about promotion to be learned from Ubuntu Hours? - Apple has been the most successful in promotion. Is Ubuntu hoping to copy some of the Apple enthusiasm? | I am also looking for a decent venue for such an event, someone suggested to | me about Linux Caffe , any others? The Linux Caffe seems like a great place... | P.S - There is also a Ubuntu Natty Release party here in Toronto coming up | - http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/781/detail/ ... so why hold this in Alio Lounge which (I would guess) is much less supportive of our communities? Fedora has held release parties at the Linux Caffe. I would hope that this isn't a reason against. Perhaps the Caffe is too small -- how big is a Ubuntu release party likely to get? Perhaps the Caffe is too hippie and not elegant, off the marketting message. I confess to not being a likely target and hence not understanding the various campaigns. PS: I use Ubuntu, Fedora, and CentOS. I'm not anti-Ubuntu. (I've had a couple of bad reactions to Shuttleworth initiatives.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 15 17:06:30 2011 From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:06:30 -0400 Subject: Anyone interested in an Ubuntu Hour? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Hugh, To address some of your reactions: *"- why Ubuntu and not Linux and FLOSS in general?" * * * As I understand it, the name "Ubuntu Hour" is just a marketing/promotion tool as you suggested picked by the Ubuntu Community. The content of these "Ubuntu Hours" are not defined in the wiki articles.* * *"are there lessons about promotion to be learned from Ubuntu Hours?"* * * I am not sure, Ubuntu Hours are a fairly new thing as I see from the Ubuntu wiki. * * *"- Apple has been the most successful in promotion. Is Ubuntu hoping to copy some of the Apple enthusiasm?"* * * That would be the best result the Ubuntu community is hoping for, I guess.* * * * *"... so why hold this in Alio Lounge which (I would guess) is much less supportive of our communities?"* I am not organizing this event, it's organized by Michael Kaulbach. I do not know as to why he chose this venue. *"Fedora has held release parties at the Linux Caffe. I would hope that this isn't a reason against."* * * Of course not.* * *"Perhaps the Caffe is too small -- how big is a Ubuntu release party likely to get?" * So far seven people are registered for the event, hopefully more will soon register. -- Sadiq S http://asininetech.com https://launchpad.net/~staticsafe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks! > > > >Are you developing an application to do this, or do you just want > >off-the-shelf? For OTS, we've been using Basecamp at work, it works > >relatively well. The only thing I know about security in this case is > >that basecamphq.com provides an SSL site. > > It needs to be off-the-shelf, but I need to host it - I can't expose > patient data on an off-site service, no matter how secure it might be. > Good thought though, thanks. > -- The solutions depend on a couple of requirements; mostly how complicated the permissions scheme and how flexible or open to new tools the users are. I see three levels of solutions that people tend to use in these cases: - For a simple permission scheme (everything shared in one user group), going with Linux users and ssh (sftp/scp) or ftp over ssl. A new software client for the user like winscp or cyberduck is not hard to grasp since they look like Windows explorer, still some end users don't like to use anything new and prefer to use just the browser. - A intermediate case of using something a little more "friendly" for non-technical people like WebDAV, or with other features like versioning or dealing with locking by using SVC software like svn. - A "web portal" solution. A lot of people choose http://www.alfresco.com/ (I haven't used or looked deep into it). For critical data I wouldn't trust popular PHP-based web apps, they tend to have security issues frequently http://wordpress.org/news/category/security/ , http://drupal.org/security . Plus PHP is often a pain to upgrade when a vulnerability in it is discovered, breaking older code. I suggest looking at encryption too (you can store encrypted data off-site and use a cloud service). A Waterloo-based start-up has a solution for easy sharing encrypted files: http://ithinksecurity.com/ (web site still in progress but they demo'ed their working product to me and I was very impressed). Fernando Duran http://fduran.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 15 17:18:41 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:18:41 -0700 Subject: Online knowledge repository Message-ID: Hey All, I'm currently trying to find the best way to store knowledge for troubleshooting common issues, re-configuring fresh systems or whatever. In many places I've worked a decently searchable wiki (mediawiki or whatever) has been good, but that's a bit more broad than an actual KB. I was wondering if anyone knows of or uses anything that really excels at managing KB type articles, allowing a particular topic to be linked to multiple source articles, etc. Well-rounded FOSS projects would be best, but solid commercial projects (still preferably LAMP-based) will also work. Ideas/suggestions? Thanks, Tyler -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 15 17:21:14 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:21:14 -0700 Subject: Online knowledge repository In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Hey All, > > > > I'm currently trying to find the best way to store knowledge for > troubleshooting common issues, re-configuring fresh systems or > whatever. In many places I've worked a decently searchable wiki > (mediawiki or whatever) has been good, but that's a bit more broad > than an actual KB. > > I was wondering if anyone knows of or uses anything that really excels > at managing KB type articles, allowing a particular topic to be linked > to multiple source articles, etc. > > Well-rounded FOSS projects would be best, but solid commercial > projects (still preferably LAMP-based) will also work. > > > Ideas/suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > > Tyler > -- Just to add to this, the ability to easily import/export KB info and/or create sync-able offline copies would be truly awesome... - TJA -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 15 17:44:18 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:44:18 -0400 Subject: Anyone interested in an Ubuntu Hour? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:43 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > - Why Ubuntu and not Ubuntu Linux? ?(Talk about nit picking!) Yeah, that's some mighty pretty nit-picking. But daddy's here now. Daddy's here to pick up the pieces, picking up the pieces and reminding you that it's _Ubuntu GNU/Linux_. Sheesh, the quality of the pedantry around here has gone way down of late ... ;-) Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 01:37:54 2011 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 01:37:54 +0000 Subject: Anyone interested in an Ubuntu Hour? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What a great way to meet Ubuntu yahoos... or U-hoos as I like to call them. Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:54:19 -0400 Subject: [TLUG]: Anyone interested in an Ubuntu Hour? From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Hey everyone, I wanted to organize an Ubuntu Hour here in the city of Toronto. For those wondering what an Ubuntu Hour is, here is the wiki page. In short, it's a public meeting in a place like a coffee shop where we can discuss various topics (doesn't have to be Ubuntu). If anybody is interested, do reply, I can then register an event on the Ubuntu Canada Loco team webpage. Alternatively, you can drop by in #ubuntu-ca on Freenode to discuss. (I'm staticsafe) I am also looking for a decent venue for such an event, someone suggested to me about Linux Caffe, any others? P.S - There is also a Ubuntu Natty Release party here in Toronto coming up - http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/781/detail/ -- Sadiq Saif http://asininetech.com https://launchpad.net/~staticsafe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sammy.lao-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 05:18:36 2011 From: sammy.lao-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Sammy Lao) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 01:18:36 -0400 Subject: Anyone interested in an Ubuntu Hour? In-Reply-To: <1318237505-1300226975-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-317058622--jrEpYrFVYyS6+1s8yt2eEObbz5fhSPodbBxjXNYs1vU@public.gmane.org> References: <1318237505-1300226975-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-317058622-@bda2370.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Hey Sadiq, We were just talking about starting up Ubuntu Hour here at Free Geek. We typically get a lot of newbies coming in while building computers. We don't always have people who are comfortable linux all the time onsite. I have been talking to Darcy from Ubuntu Canada about it. We have been trialing various forms: We had an ubuntu install fest last month and we're doing a repair workshop this month. Some of us are thinking of approaching Dave at Linuxcaffe while some thinks we can do it at Free Geek Toronto. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sadiq Saif > Sender: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:54:19 > To: > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: [TLUG]: Anyone interested in an Ubuntu Hour? > > Hey everyone, > > I wanted to organize an Ubuntu Hour here in the city of Toronto. For > those > wondering what an Ubuntu Hour is, here is > the > wiki page. In short, it's a public meeting in a place like a coffee shop > where we can discuss various topics (doesn't have to be Ubuntu). > If anybody is interested, do reply, I can then register an event on the > Ubuntu > Canada Loco team webpage. Alternatively, you can > drop by in #ubuntu-ca on Freenode to discuss. (I'm staticsafe) > > I am also looking for a decent venue for such an event, someone > suggested to > me about Linux Caffe , any others? > > P.S - There is also a Ubuntu Natty Release party here in Toronto coming > up > - http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/781/detail/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 05:29:42 2011 From: solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (solarflow99) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 01:29:42 -0400 Subject: Secure portal, extranet In-Reply-To: <735547.61739.qm-GjowA9KT+PL5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20110314191407.GA16414@yam.witteman.ca> <20110315020148.GA18716@yam.witteman.ca> <735547.61739.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Fernando Duran wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: William O'Higgins Witteman > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 10:01:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Secure portal, extranet > > > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 04:54:00PM -0400, David van Geest wrote: > > >> Does anyone have any thoughts about what software to choose to set up > an > > >> extranet or secure portal for off-site people to exchange files and > > >> information securely? I am not finding anything obvious, and > guidance > > >> would be most appreciated. Thanks! > > > > > >Are you developing an application to do this, or do you just want > > >off-the-shelf? For OTS, we've been using Basecamp at work, it works > > >relatively well. The only thing I know about security in this case is > > >that basecamphq.com provides an SSL site. > > > > It needs to be off-the-shelf, but I need to host it - I can't expose > > patient data on an off-site service, no matter how secure it might be. > > Good thought though, thanks. > > -- > > > The solutions depend on a couple of requirements; mostly how complicated > the > permissions scheme and how flexible or open to new tools the users are. > > I see three levels of solutions that people tend to use in these cases: > > - For a simple permission scheme (everything shared in one user group), > going > with Linux users and ssh (sftp/scp) or ftp over ssl. A new software client > for > the user like winscp or cyberduck is not hard to grasp since they look like > Windows explorer, still some end users don't like to use anything new and > prefer > to use just the browser. > > - A intermediate case of using something a little more "friendly" for > non-technical people like WebDAV, or with other features like versioning or > dealing with locking by using SVC software like svn. > > - A "web portal" solution. A lot of people choose http://www.alfresco.com/(I > haven't used or looked deep into it). For critical data I wouldn't trust > popular > PHP-based web apps, they tend to have security issues > frequently http://wordpress.org/news/category/security/ , > http://drupal.org/security . > Plus PHP is often a pain to upgrade when a vulnerability in it is > discovered, > breaking older code. > > I suggest looking at encryption too (you can store encrypted data off-site > and > use a cloud service). A Waterloo-based start-up has a solution for easy > sharing > encrypted files: http://ithinksecurity.com/ (web site still in progress > but they > demo'ed their working product to me and I was very impressed). > This looks like a good one if you want to get serious: http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/JBoss_Enterprise_Portal_Platform/5.0/html-single/User_Guide/index.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 07:11:17 2011 From: edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (edward chin) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:11:17 -0400 Subject: Anyone interested in an Ubuntu Hour? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For seven people the Caffe will be great. If fifteen show up, it might be a problem. Since this venue is not so easy to get to, it's unlikely more than ten would show up. (We often did not get many more than ten at the 'Linux in the Park' when we offered free food and beverage!) A larger, more accessible venue might attract more participants. "might" is the operative word. > > "Perhaps the Caffe is too small -- how big is a Ubuntu release party > likely to get?" > > So far seven people are registered for the event, hopefully more will soon > register. > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 11:44:20 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:44:20 -0400 Subject: Odd kernel error messages Message-ID: <4D80A294.8070604@alteeve.com> Any ideas on what this might mean? Message from syslogd at lework at Mar 16 07:11:18 ... kernel:[57255.286992] Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason a1 on CPU 0. Message from syslogd at lework at Mar 16 07:11:18 ... kernel:[57255.286997] You have some hardware problem, likely on the PCI bus. Message from syslogd at lework at Mar 16 07:11:18 ... kernel:[57255.287002] Dazed and confused, but trying to continue Fedora 14, x86_64. -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 11:49:16 2011 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:49:16 -0400 Subject: Odd kernel error messages In-Reply-To: <4D80A294.8070604-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4D80A294.8070604@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20110316114916.GA21329@watson-wilson.ca> The motherboard might be failing. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 12:12:56 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:12:56 -0400 Subject: Odd kernel error messages In-Reply-To: <20110316114916.GA21329-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4D80A294.8070604@alteeve.com> <20110316114916.GA21329@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <4D80A948.5010504@alteeve.com> On 03/16/2011 07:49 AM, Neil Watson wrote: > The motherboard might be failing. Any suggestions on tests or diagnostics? Thankfully, I invested in an extended warranty for this laptop, but I'll need to give them something concrete to get it RMA'ed. -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 13:12:35 2011 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Secure portal, extranet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <674366.4433.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I would recommend Alfresco. EK --- On Wed, 3/16/11, solarflow99 wrote: From: solarflow99 Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Secure portal, extranet To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Received: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 1:29 AM On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Fernando Duran wrote: ----- Original Message ---- > From: William O'Higgins Witteman > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 10:01:48 PM > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Secure portal, extranet > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 04:54:00PM -0400, David van Geest wrote: > >> ?Does anyone have any thoughts about what software to choose to set up ?an > >> extranet or secure portal for off-site people to exchange files ?and > >> information securely? ?I am not finding anything obvious, and ?guidance > >> would be most appreciated. ?Thanks! > > > >Are you ?developing an application to do this, or do you just ?want > >off-the-shelf? ?For OTS, we've been using Basecamp at work, it ?works > >relatively well. ?The only thing I know about security in this ?case is > >that basecamphq.com provides an SSL site. > > It needs to be ?off-the-shelf, but I need to host it - I can't expose > patient data on an ?off-site service, no matter how secure it might be. > Good thought though, ?thanks. > -- The solutions depend on a couple of requirements; mostly how complicated the permissions scheme and how flexible or open to new tools the users are. I see three levels of solutions that people tend to use in these cases: - For a simple permission scheme (everything shared in one user group), going with Linux users and ssh (sftp/scp) or ftp over ssl. A new software client for the user like winscp or cyberduck is not hard to grasp since they look like Windows explorer, still some end users don't like to use anything new and prefer to use just the browser. - A intermediate case of using something a little more "friendly" for non-technical people like WebDAV, or with other features like versioning or dealing with locking by using SVC software like svn. - A "web portal" solution. A lot of people choose http://www.alfresco.com/ (I haven't used or looked deep into it). For critical data I wouldn't trust popular PHP-based web apps, they tend to have security issues frequently http://wordpress.org/news/category/security/ , http://drupal.org/security . ?Plus PHP is often a pain to upgrade when a vulnerability in it is discovered, breaking older code. I suggest looking at encryption too (you can store encrypted data off-site and use a cloud service). A Waterloo-based start-up has a solution for easy sharing encrypted files: http://ithinksecurity.com/ (web site still in progress but they demo'ed their working product to me and I was very impressed). This looks like a good one if you want to get serious:? http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/JBoss_Enterprise_Portal_Platform/5.0/html-single/User_Guide/index.html ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Well from what I can find, it seems it may be caused by an ATI card, or possibly an atheros wifi card. I haven't found any solutions however. It is certainly supposed to mean the hardware had an error. Perhaps reseating add in cards would help in case it has a bad connection. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 14:47:46 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:47:46 -0400 Subject: Odd kernel error messages In-Reply-To: <20110316143525.GI347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4D80A294.8070604@alteeve.com> <20110316143525.GI347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D80CD92.3000102@alteeve.com> On 03/16/2011 10:35 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 07:44:20AM -0400, Digimer wrote: >> Any ideas on what this might mean? >> >> Message from syslogd at lework at Mar 16 07:11:18 ... >> kernel:[57255.286992] Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason a1 on CPU 0. >> >> Message from syslogd at lework at Mar 16 07:11:18 ... >> kernel:[57255.286997] You have some hardware problem, likely on the PCI >> bus. >> >> Message from syslogd at lework at Mar 16 07:11:18 ... >> kernel:[57255.287002] Dazed and confused, but trying to continue >> >> Fedora 14, x86_64. > > Well from what I can find, it seems it may be caused by an ATI card, > or possibly an atheros wifi card. > > I haven't found any solutions however. > > It is certainly supposed to mean the hardware had an error. Perhaps > reseating add in cards would help in case it has a bad connection. Integrated (Intel) graphics, so maybe it's the card. Oddly, my bluetooth mouse just stopped working. =/ There is no such thing as quality hardware anymore, eh? Oh well, I'll pop the card when I get home, give it a cleaning with isopropyl alcohol and reseat it. Can't hurt, anyway. Thanks for taking a gander. -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 15:05:20 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:05:20 -0400 Subject: Anyone interested in an Ubuntu Hour? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Sadiq Saif wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I wanted to organize an Ubuntu Hour here in the city of Toronto. For those > wondering what an Ubuntu Hour is, here is the wiki page. In short, it's a > public meeting in a place like a coffee shop where we can discuss various > topics (doesn't have to be Ubuntu). > If anybody is interested, do reply, I can then register an event on the > Ubuntu Canada Loco team webpage. Alternatively, you can drop by in > #ubuntu-ca on Freenode to discuss. (I'm staticsafe) > I am also looking for a decent venue for such an event, someone suggested to > me about Linux Caffe, any others? > P.S - There is also a Ubuntu Natty Release party here in Toronto coming up > -? http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/781/detail/ I tried to register for the Ubuntu Natty Release party, but there seems to be a problem with the Launchpad registration service. Not sure what is up but I am not getting the confirmation e-mails from them. Colin. > -- > Sadiq Saif > http://asininetech.com > https://launchpad.net/~staticsafe > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 17:36:45 2011 From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:36:45 -0400 Subject: Anyone interested in an Ubuntu Hour? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Colin, There seems to be a participant named - openiduser326, is that you? Try logging in directly from the Launchpad website, and then try registering for the event. On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Sadiq Saif > wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > > > I wanted to organize an Ubuntu Hour here in the city of Toronto. For > those > > wondering what an Ubuntu Hour is, here is the wiki page. In short, it's a > > public meeting in a place like a coffee shop where we can discuss various > > topics (doesn't have to be Ubuntu). > > If anybody is interested, do reply, I can then register an event on the > > Ubuntu Canada Loco team webpage. Alternatively, you can drop by in > > #ubuntu-ca on Freenode to discuss. (I'm staticsafe) > > I am also looking for a decent venue for such an event, someone suggested > to > > me about Linux Caffe, any others? > > P.S - There is also a Ubuntu Natty Release party here in Toronto coming > up > > - http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/781/detail/ > > I tried to register for the Ubuntu Natty Release party, but there > seems to be a problem with the Launchpad registration service. Not > sure what is up but I am not getting the confirmation e-mails from > them. > > Colin. > > > -- > > Sadiq Saif > > http://asininetech.com > > https://launchpad.net/~staticsafe > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Sadiq S http://asininetech.com https://launchpad.net/~staticsafe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 17:50:52 2011 From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:50:52 -0400 Subject: Anyone interested in an Ubuntu Hour? In-Reply-To: References: <1318237505-1300226975-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-317058622-@bda2370.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Hey Sammy, The Free Geek location is probably better, since I understand it's a larger location. Also, I may just drop by this Saturday for a volunteer orientation session. :) On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 1:18 AM, Sammy Lao wrote: > Hey Sadiq, > > We were just talking about starting up Ubuntu Hour here at Free Geek. We > typically get a lot of newbies coming in while building computers. We don't > always have people who are comfortable linux all the time onsite. > > I have been talking to Darcy from Ubuntu Canada about it. We have been > trialing various forms: We had an ubuntu install fest last month and we're > doing a repair workshop this month. > > Some of us are thinking of approaching Dave at Linuxcaffe while some thinks > we can do it at Free Geek Toronto. > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Sadiq Saif >> Sender: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:54:19 >> To: >> Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> Subject: [TLUG]: Anyone interested in an Ubuntu Hour? >> >> Hey everyone, >> >> I wanted to organize an Ubuntu Hour here in the city of Toronto. For those >> wondering what an Ubuntu Hour is, here is >> the >> >> wiki page. In short, it's a public meeting in a place like a coffee shop >> where we can discuss various topics (doesn't have to be Ubuntu). >> If anybody is interested, do reply, I can then register an event on the >> Ubuntu >> Canada Loco team webpage. Alternatively, you can >> >> drop by in #ubuntu-ca on Freenode to discuss. (I'm staticsafe) >> >> I am also looking for a decent venue for such an event, someone suggested >> to >> me about Linux Caffe , any others? >> >> >> P.S - There is also a Ubuntu Natty Release party here in Toronto coming up >> - http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/781/detail/ >> > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Sadiq S http://asininetech.com https://launchpad.net/~staticsafe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 20:19:22 2011 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:19:22 -0400 Subject: Odd kernel error messages In-Reply-To: <4D80A948.5010504-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4D80A294.8070604@alteeve.com> <20110316114916.GA21329@watson-wilson.ca> <4D80A948.5010504@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20110316201922.GA11377@watson-wilson.ca> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 08:12:56AM -0400, Digimer wrote: >Any suggestions on tests or diagnostics? Thankfully, I invested in an >extended warranty for this laptop, but I'll need to give them something >concrete to get it RMA'ed. Laptop vendors usually have a set of diagnostic steps that you must perform before they will offer repair or replacement. You'll have to call them and ask. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 20:36:59 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:36:59 -0400 Subject: Remembering yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D811F6B.60504@gmail.com> On 11-03-15 10:41 , Christopher Browne wrote: > Recalling some of the "hot topics" of Linux past... > http://xach.livejournal.com/286549.html Oh man, a.out to elf ... that was such a huge one at the time. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 20:41:45 2011 From: andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:41:45 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? Message-ID: Hello, recent events have led me to want to get a smartphone with an Internet connection. Initial research of the Android space seems to indicate an unholy mess of manufacturer and carrier customization, bastardization, and refusal to provide software updates. Leaving the consumer either marooned, or warranty-less after rooting their phone. I consider both alternatives undesirable. It seems the only "safe" and reasonably high quality Android phones are the Nexuses, but those don't appear to be available through any of the major carriers. I'm beginning to see the massive appeal of the iPhone - if you don't mind Apple's heavy hand and the itunes mess, you get a pretty powerful pocket computer that Just Works. What am I missing? I know there are numerous Android users on this list; how are you all navigating this situation? Thanks in advance for any advice or insight. Andrej -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 20:51:07 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:51:07 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D8122BB.5000003@alteeve.com> On 03/16/2011 04:41 PM, Andrej Marjan wrote: > Hello, recent events have led me to want to get a smartphone with an > Internet connection. Initial research of the Android space seems to > indicate an unholy mess of manufacturer and carrier customization, > bastardization, and refusal to provide software updates. Leaving the > consumer either marooned, or warranty-less after rooting their phone. > I consider both alternatives undesirable. > > It seems the only "safe" and reasonably high quality Android phones > are the Nexuses, but those don't appear to be available through any of > the major carriers. I'm beginning to see the massive appeal of the > iPhone - if you don't mind Apple's heavy hand and the itunes mess, you > get a pretty powerful pocket computer that Just Works. > > What am I missing? I know there are numerous Android users on this > list; how are you all navigating this situation? > > Thanks in advance for any advice or insight. > > Andrej The thing with the Nexi is that you usually have to buy the phone directly; No subsidization. I've got the N1 though and *love* it. More, it's *my* phone; Not the manufacturer's, not the carrier's, but mine. What that is worth to you is an individual choice, of course. :) -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 20:52:24 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:52:24 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Andrej Marjan wrote: > Hello, recent events have led me to want to get a smartphone with an > Internet connection. Initial research of the Android space seems to > indicate an unholy mess of manufacturer and carrier customization, > bastardization, and refusal to provide software updates. Leaving the > consumer either marooned, or warranty-less after rooting their phone. > I consider both alternatives undesirable. > > It seems the only "safe" and reasonably high quality Android phones > are the Nexuses, but those don't appear to be available through any of > the major carriers. I'm beginning to see the massive appeal of the > iPhone - if you don't mind Apple's heavy hand and the itunes mess, you > get a pretty powerful pocket computer that Just Works. > > What am I missing? I know there are numerous Android users on this > list; how are you all navigating this situation? > > Thanks in advance for any advice or insight. I have been evaluating the acceptability of phones based on the availability of 3rd party customized builds. The notable project for this is CyanogenMod, which provides enhanced late-breaking versions of the Android platform for a pretty sizable set of phones. Pick from the following list and the carriers' hands get rather "less heavy"... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 20:57:02 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:57:02 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: <4D8122BB.5000003-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4D8122BB.5000003@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4D81241E.4010101@rogers.com> Digimer wrote: > The thing with the Nexi is that you usually have to buy the phone > directly; No subsidization. I've got the N1 though and*love* it. More, > it's*my* phone; Not the manufacturer's, not the carrier's, but mine. > What that is worth to you is an individual choice, of course.:) > +1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 21:10:32 2011 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:10:32 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: <4D81241E.4010101-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D8122BB.5000003@alteeve.com> <4D81241E.4010101@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:57 PM, James Knott wrote: > Digimer wrote: >> >> The thing with the Nexi is that you usually have to buy the phone >> directly; No subsidization. I've got the N1 though and*love* ?it. More, >> it's*my* ?phone; Not the manufacturer's, not the carrier's, but mine. >> What that is worth to you is an individual choice, of course.:) >> > > +1 I have an Nexxus and have the same opinion. Since I use gmail extensively I find it "just works" but I did shell out 600 bucks to get it. Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 21:27:00 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:27:00 -0400 Subject: Remembering yesteryear In-Reply-To: <4D811F6B.60504-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D811F6B.60504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110316212700.GJ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 04:36:59PM -0400, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 11-03-15 10:41 , Christopher Browne wrote: > > Recalling some of the "hot topics" of Linux past... > > http://xach.livejournal.com/286549.html > > Oh man, a.out to elf ... that was such a huge one at the time. Wasn't that what killed of SLS. They didn't want to change so Slackware was created as SLS with ELF instead of a.out. At least that's what my vague memory of the situation is. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 21:28:43 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:28:43 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110316212843.GK347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 04:41:45PM -0400, Andrej Marjan wrote: > Hello, recent events have led me to want to get a smartphone with an > Internet connection. Initial research of the Android space seems to > indicate an unholy mess of manufacturer and carrier customization, > bastardization, and refusal to provide software updates. Leaving the > consumer either marooned, or warranty-less after rooting their phone. > I consider both alternatives undesirable. > > It seems the only "safe" and reasonably high quality Android phones > are the Nexuses, but those don't appear to be available through any of > the major carriers. I'm beginning to see the massive appeal of the > iPhone - if you don't mind Apple's heavy hand and the itunes mess, you > get a pretty powerful pocket computer that Just Works. Of course apple will leave you just as marooned when they decide a new release with security fixes shouldn't exist for your older model. After all why haven't you bought the new one yet? > What am I missing? I know there are numerous Android users on this > list; how are you all navigating this situation? > > Thanks in advance for any advice or insight. Well I don't currently know of any smart phone I would want to have. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 21:36:58 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:36:58 -0400 Subject: Remembering yesteryear In-Reply-To: <20110316212700.GJ347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4D811F6B.60504@gmail.com> <20110316212700.GJ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 04:36:59PM -0400, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >> On 11-03-15 10:41 , Christopher Browne wrote: >> > Recalling some of the "hot topics" of Linux past... >> > http://xach.livejournal.com/286549.html >> >> Oh man, a.out to elf ... that was such a huge one at the time. > > Wasn't that what killed of SLS. ?They didn't want to change so Slackware > was created as SLS with ELF instead of a.out. ?At least that's what my > vague memory of the situation is. Slackware had a big "discontinuity" at that point too, and a lot of people (myself included) switched over to Red Hat at that time because Red Hat made the switch to ELF, when Slackware/Patrick Volkerding was reluctant/slow to do so. I upgraded my Slackware system to use ELF, mostly in place, which partly worked. The degree to which that was less than "all" and "completely" led to my shift to RH. These days, it would be futile to try to do an in-place upgrade of that sort of thing, as disk space is so much more voluminous and cheap. The wikipedia page on Slackware suggests the same transition was what lead from SLS->Slackware, so it's conceivable I'm misrecollecting. I never did use SLS; that was a tiny bit before my time. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 21:40:24 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:40:24 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bell debuts the Motorola atrix tomorrow , 1gb ram, dual core, looks like the best phone period from HW point of view, and is a android. I find it hard to believe this phone wouldn't do everything that any other phone would do, and more, except camera may not be best. If there isn't a intel droid out later this year, i will probably get a atrix later this year (used off ebay) once its confirmed it will work on rogers (a unlocked one). you want support, get it from bell starting tomorrow, 150$ with contract, 600 without. Iphone is just plain "old" and unusable compared to this puppy. tl On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Andrej Marjan wrote: > Hello, recent events have led me to want to get a smartphone with an > Internet connection. Initial research of the Android space seems to > indicate an unholy mess of manufacturer and carrier customization, > bastardization, and refusal to provide software updates. Leaving the > consumer either marooned, or warranty-less after rooting their phone. > I consider both alternatives undesirable. > > It seems the only "safe" and reasonably high quality Android phones > are the Nexuses, but those don't appear to be available through any of > the major carriers. I'm beginning to see the massive appeal of the > iPhone - if you don't mind Apple's heavy hand and the itunes mess, you > get a pretty powerful pocket computer that Just Works. > > What am I missing? I know there are numerous Android users on this > list; how are you all navigating this situation? > > Thanks in advance for any advice or insight. > > Andrej > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 21:46:16 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:46:16 -0700 Subject: Odd kernel error messages In-Reply-To: <4D80A294.8070604-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4D80A294.8070604@alteeve.com> Message-ID: I've had the last one (dazed and confused) before on a Dell server with a RAM DIMM that went bad. Eventually the box hung a bit after that message and a massive kernel puke. Replaced the DIMM and all was good. Dell had also indicated it could have been CPU issues prior to tracking it down. On 2011-03-16 4:45 AM, "Digimer" wrote: > Any ideas on what this might mean? > > Message from syslogd at lework at Mar 16 07:11:18 ... > kernel:[57255.286992] Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason a1 on CPU 0. > > Message from syslogd at lework at Mar 16 07:11:18 ... > kernel:[57255.286997] You have some hardware problem, likely on the PCI > bus. > > Message from syslogd at lework at Mar 16 07:11:18 ... > kernel:[57255.287002] Dazed and confused, but trying to continue > > Fedora 14, x86_64. > > -- > Digimer > E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org > AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com > Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 21:50:24 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:50:24 -0700 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a motorola (milestone). NEVER again would I buy their phones. New gen meant lagging by years or even not providing updates for this phone (even for advertised features). Locked firmware means third-party updates are difficult at best. I've been thinking HTC myself but would defer to others' experience with them. On 2011-03-16 2:41 PM, "ted leslie" wrote: > Bell debuts the Motorola atrix tomorrow , 1gb ram, dual core, > looks like the best phone period from HW point of view, and is a android. > I find it hard to believe this phone wouldn't do everything that any other phone > would do, and more, except camera may not be best. > If there isn't a intel droid out later this year, i will probably get a atrix > later this year (used off ebay) once its confirmed it will work on rogers > (a unlocked one). > you want support, get it from bell starting tomorrow, 150$ with contract, > 600 without. > Iphone is just plain "old" and unusable compared to this puppy. > > tl > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Andrej Marjan wrote: >> Hello, recent events have led me to want to get a smartphone with an >> Internet connection. Initial research of the Android space seems to >> indicate an unholy mess of manufacturer and carrier customization, >> bastardization, and refusal to provide software updates. Leaving the >> consumer either marooned, or warranty-less after rooting their phone. >> I consider both alternatives undesirable. >> >> It seems the only "safe" and reasonably high quality Android phones >> are the Nexuses, but those don't appear to be available through any of >> the major carriers. I'm beginning to see the massive appeal of the >> iPhone - if you don't mind Apple's heavy hand and the itunes mess, you >> get a pretty powerful pocket computer that Just Works. >> >> What am I missing? I know there are numerous Android users on this >> list; how are you all navigating this situation? >> >> Thanks in advance for any advice or insight. >> >> Andrej >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 21:58:48 2011 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:58:48 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a stock HTC Tattoo/Click and despite it being old hardware, it's been a solid platform and performs most every task I need it to. My opinions for deciding on Android phones would be to get either an HTC phone, or one of the Nexus series as these two seem to have the most options for unlocking and actually doing what you want with them. Samsung has made really nice hardware but are slow on getting the updates out to their users. I can't really speak for LG or Motorola. On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I have a motorola (milestone). NEVER again would I buy their phones. New > gen meant lagging by years or even not providing updates for this phone > (even for advertised features). Locked firmware means third-party updates > are difficult at best. > > I've been thinking HTC myself but would defer to others' experience with > them. > On 2011-03-16 2:41 PM, "ted leslie" wrote: > > Bell debuts the Motorola atrix tomorrow , 1gb ram, dual core, > > looks like the best phone period from HW point of view, and is a android. > > I find it hard to believe this phone wouldn't do everything that any > other phone > > would do, and more, except camera may not be best. > > If there isn't a intel droid out later this year, i will probably get a > atrix > > later this year (used off ebay) once its confirmed it will work on rogers > > (a unlocked one). > > you want support, get it from bell starting tomorrow, 150$ with contract, > > 600 without. > > Iphone is just plain "old" and unusable compared to this puppy. > > > > tl > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Andrej Marjan wrote: > >> Hello, recent events have led me to want to get a smartphone with an > >> Internet connection. Initial research of the Android space seems to > >> indicate an unholy mess of manufacturer and carrier customization, > >> bastardization, and refusal to provide software updates. Leaving the > >> consumer either marooned, or warranty-less after rooting their phone. > >> I consider both alternatives undesirable. > >> > >> It seems the only "safe" and reasonably high quality Android phones > >> are the Nexuses, but those don't appear to be available through any of > >> the major carriers. I'm beginning to see the massive appeal of the > >> iPhone - if you don't mind Apple's heavy hand and the itunes mess, you > >> get a pretty powerful pocket computer that Just Works. > >> > >> What am I missing? I know there are numerous Android users on this > >> list; how are you all navigating this situation? > >> > >> Thanks in advance for any advice or insight. > >> > >> Andrej > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 22:08:03 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:08:03 -0400 Subject: Remembering yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: <4D811F6B.60504@gmail.com> <20110316212700.GJ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110316220803.GL347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 05:36:58PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > Slackware had a big "discontinuity" at that point too, and a lot of > people (myself included) switched over to Red Hat at that time because > Red Hat made the switch to ELF, when Slackware/Patrick Volkerding was > reluctant/slow to do so. I don't think slackware was slow. It may not have been complete, but at least slackware tried, while SLS didn't. > I upgraded my Slackware system to use ELF, mostly in place, which > partly worked. The degree to which that was less than "all" and > "completely" led to my shift to RH. These days, it would be futile to > try to do an in-place upgrade of that sort of thing, as disk space is > so much more voluminous and cheap. > > The wikipedia page on Slackware suggests the same transition was what > lead from SLS->Slackware, so it's conceivable I'm misrecollecting. I > never did use SLS; that was a tiny bit before my time. SLS 1.03 was my first distribution. My next was Redhat 2.0. Then after 6.2 I went to Debian 2.0 (without much success), then 2.1 (with success). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 22:15:50 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:15:50 -0400 Subject: Remembering yesteryear In-Reply-To: References: <4D811F6B.60504@gmail.com> <20110316212700.GJ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D813696.2080502@gmail.com> On 11-03-16 17:36 , Christopher Browne wrote: > > Slackware had a big "discontinuity" at that point too My first Slackware was definitely a.out. Running X in a 63MB partition on a P75. Seemed nifty at the time. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 22:48:17 2011 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:48:17 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D813E31.5060504@dinamis.com> On 03/16/2011 04:41 PM, Andrej Marjan wrote: > Hello, recent events have led me to want to get a smartphone with an > Internet connection. Initial research of the Android space seems to > indicate an unholy mess of manufacturer and carrier customization, > bastardization, and refusal to provide software updates. Leaving the > consumer either marooned, or warranty-less after rooting their phone. > I consider both alternatives undesirable. > > It seems the only "safe" and reasonably high quality Android phones > are the Nexuses, but those don't appear to be available through any of > the major carriers. I'm beginning to see the massive appeal of the > iPhone - if you don't mind Apple's heavy hand and the itunes mess, you > get a pretty powerful pocket computer that Just Works. > > What am I missing? I know there are numerous Android users on this > list; how are you all navigating this situation? I was in exactly the same situation just before Christmas when WIND was having an incredible sale for their service. Their low-end Android offerings were clunky and slow. The only one that was reasonably fast was the Motorola Droid X, which is one of those phones that the manufacturer seems to have abandoned in terms of upgrades. I didn't feel like spending $400 on a phone that couldn't be upgraded so I bought a "placeholder" smartphone for $100, a Nokia 5230, which runs Symbian OS. The plan was to buy a Nexus S when it arrived in Canada but I've come to like the Nokia and don't know why I should spend five or six times as much to have another phone that might do a few more tricks when the one I have does all the tricks that I care about. I care about a good web browsing experience and the Nokia has a fast browser that is quite usable. I care about GPS and this phone has a very good GPS. It has voice dialing that actually works quite well. It has great call quality. This phone is a tremendous bargain. It's supposedly hard-to-use but I haven't found that to be the case at all. I want my phone to do a limited number of things well. I don't need a replacement for my notebook computer in a phone. If I need a computer, I can use my phone in tethered mode with my notebook. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sammy.lao-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 16 23:02:46 2011 From: sammy.lao-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Sammy Lao) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:02:46 -0400 Subject: Anyone interested in an Ubuntu Hour? In-Reply-To: References: <1318237505-1300226975-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-317058622-@bda2370.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <6F6E46F0-F4C4-40E2-A0FD-083399414688@freegeektoronto.org> Please drop by and see if it is suitable. We can talk more. We open at 12 on sat. Thanks! Sent from my mobile On 2011-03-16, at 13:50, Sadiq Saif wrote: > Hey Sammy, > > The Free Geek location is probably better, since I understand it's a larger location. > Also, I may just drop by this Saturday for a volunteer orientation session. :) > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 1:18 AM, Sammy Lao wrote: > Hey Sadiq, > > We were just talking about starting up Ubuntu Hour here at Free Geek. We typically get a lot of newbies coming in while building computers. We don't always have people who are comfortable linux all the time onsite. > > I have been talking to Darcy from Ubuntu Canada about it. We have been trialing various forms: We had an ubuntu install fest last month and we're doing a repair workshop this month. > > Some of us are thinking of approaching Dave at Linuxcaffe while some thinks we can do it at Free Geek Toronto. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sadiq Saif > Sender: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:54:19 > To: > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: [TLUG]: Anyone interested in an Ubuntu Hour? > > Hey everyone, > > I wanted to organize an Ubuntu Hour here in the city of Toronto. For those > wondering what an Ubuntu Hour is, here is the > > wiki page. In short, it's a public meeting in a place like a coffee shop > where we can discuss various topics (doesn't have to be Ubuntu). > If anybody is interested, do reply, I can then register an event on the Ubuntu > Canada Loco team webpage. Alternatively, you can > > drop by in #ubuntu-ca on Freenode to discuss. (I'm staticsafe) > > I am also looking for a decent venue for such an event, someone suggested to > me about Linux Caffe , any others? > > > P.S - There is also a Ubuntu Natty Release party here in Toronto coming up > - http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/781/detail/ > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > Sadiq S > http://asininetech.com > https://launchpad.net/~staticsafe > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 17 03:15:24 2011 From: solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (solarflow99) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:15:24 -0400 Subject: Odd kernel error messages In-Reply-To: References: <4D80A294.8070604@alteeve.com> Message-ID: I've seen that before with memory problems, try running a memtest. On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I've had the last one (dazed and confused) before on a Dell server with a > RAM DIMM that went bad. Eventually the box hung a bit after that message and > a massive kernel puke. > > Replaced the DIMM and all was good. Dell had also indicated it could have > been CPU issues prior to tracking it down. > On 2011-03-16 4:45 AM, "Digimer" wrote: > > Any ideas on what this might mean? > > > > Message from syslogd at lework at Mar 16 07:11:18 ... > > kernel:[57255.286992] Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason a1 on CPU 0. > > > > Message from syslogd at lework at Mar 16 07:11:18 ... > > kernel:[57255.286997] You have some hardware problem, likely on the PCI > > bus. > > > > Message from syslogd at lework at Mar 16 07:11:18 ... > > kernel:[57255.287002] Dazed and confused, but trying to continue > > > > Fedora 14, x86_64. > > > > -- > > Digimer > > E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org > > AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com > > Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 17 14:19:05 2011 From: andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:19:05 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: <20110316212843.GK347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110316212843.GK347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Of course apple will leave you just as marooned when they decide a new > release with security fixes shouldn't exist for your older model. > After all why haven't you bought the new one yet? That's an excellent point. And that's where Christopher's advice about picking phone models comes in handy: once you're out of warranty, or out of manufacturer's active support, you still have recourse. >> What am I missing? I know there are numerous Android users on this >> list; how are you all navigating this situation? >> >> Thanks in advance for any advice or insight. > > Well I don't currently know of any smart phone I would want to have. Ditto, but when you find yourself in a crisis situation, it's not a matter of wanting -- it becomes "if I had web or email access, I could finish this right now; instead I'll have to wait for the middle of the night when I finally get home, hope my brain is still working and that I don't get it wrong, and that the window of opportunity hasn't passed". So I view it as an insurance policy with benefits. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 17 14:33:39 2011 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:33:39 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: References: <20110316212843.GK347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Andrej Marjan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > >> Of course apple will leave you just as marooned when they decide a new >> release with security fixes shouldn't exist for your older model. >> After all why haven't you bought the new one yet? > > That's an excellent point. And that's where Christopher's advice about > picking phone models comes in handy: once you're out of warranty, or > out of manufacturer's active support, you still have recourse. > Or equally as bad. I upgraded my ipod touch and now it chews up batteries like crazy due to the way it handles wifi connections. There is no downgrade path. Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 17 14:37:25 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:37:25 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: References: <20110316212843.GK347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110317143725.GM347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:19:05AM -0400, Andrej Marjan wrote: > That's an excellent point. And that's where Christopher's advice about > picking phone models comes in handy: once you're out of warranty, or > out of manufacturer's active support, you still have recourse. Certainly don't ever buy a phone unless you are happy with the features and behaviour it has when you get it. Promised features may never happen. Bug fixes may never happen. The other option is to get one where you can fix the software yourself of course. Not too many of those. > Ditto, but when you find yourself in a crisis situation, it's not a > matter of wanting -- it becomes "if I had web or email access, I could > finish this right now; instead I'll have to wait for the middle of the > night when I finally get home, hope my brain is still working and that > I don't get it wrong, and that the window of opportunity hasn't > passed". So I view it as an insurance policy with benefits. My little nokia can run gmail and a web browser. The screen is tiny, it's a pain to type on, but it does the job when I need it to. My wife's symbian based E61 is obviously better at those things with a full keyboard and a larger screen. It even has an ssh client on it now. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 17 14:43:41 2011 From: andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:43:41 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who replied for the information, it's been a big help. Nexus is a 4th declension noun, like virus, so the Latin plural is "nexus". Thus the proper English pluralization is nexuses, and viruses. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 17 15:52:56 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: sympatico's SMTP server changed: need a new work-around Message-ID: My doaughter uses Sypatico ADSL. She uses their SMTP server for outbound mail. She does not use a Sympatico email address. The normal way of submitting email to sympatico blocks non-sympatico email addresses. But if you used smtp2.sympatico.ca as the server, it worked. Today, smtp2.sympatico.ca stopped accepting SMTP connections on port 25. We tried 587 too. Does anyone know a new trick? (Clearly ditching Sympatico is called for but there are reasons not to do so and in any case that would take a while.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 17 15:56:09 2011 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:56:09 -0400 Subject: sympatico's SMTP server changed: need a new work-around In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67FDC615F4824CC0BE4A7E4935885D7B@mylesbraithwaite.com> Using an SMTP on a non-standard port (i.e. 2525) will get past the Sympatico SMTP blocker (thats if she is running her own email server). You can try using smtp1.sympatico.ca (I have used that for about five years and moving three times). -- Myles Braithwaite http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org On Thursday, March 17, 2011 at 11:52 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > My doaughter uses Sypatico ADSL. She uses their SMTP server for outbound > mail. > > She does not use a Sympatico email address. The normal way of > submitting email to sympatico blocks non-sympatico email addresses. > But if you used smtp2.sympatico.ca as the server, it worked. > > Today, smtp2.sympatico.ca stopped accepting SMTP connections on port > 25. We tried 587 too. > > Does anyone know a new trick? > > (Clearly ditching Sympatico is called for but there are reasons not to > do so and in any case that would take a while.) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 17 17:33:28 2011 From: avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Volkov) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:33:28 -0400 Subject: sympatico's SMTP server changed: need a new work-around In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D8245E8.4060402@gmail.com> Sending email from different domain always worked with sympatico maybe something is wrong with that particular server. You probably already tried to checking connection using telnet, I just successfully connected to smtphm.sympatico.ca Anyway, I always thought that using sympatico smtp server is kind of a bad idea -- if anything it increases your messages spam probability score as originating mail server doesn't match sender mail server address, but as I'm thinking about it now, I'm not entirely sure that this is true. You can try using SMTP over SSL if email service provider supports it (gmail does). You can tunnel SMTP inside a VPN connection provided that you have enough rights to the server. A more cunning way of using this method is to open up a tunnel to a computer that's not connected to the Internet via Bell and simply send mail via that computer. Also you can call customer service and complain, but frankly, setting up vpn is less painful than dealing with bell customer support. Alex. On 17/03/11 11:52 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > My doaughter uses Sypatico ADSL. She uses their SMTP server for outbound > mail. > > She does not use a Sympatico email address. The normal way of > submitting email to sympatico blocks non-sympatico email addresses. > But if you used smtp2.sympatico.ca as the server, it worked. > > Today, smtp2.sympatico.ca stopped accepting SMTP connections on port > 25. We tried 587 too. > > Does anyone know a new trick? > > (Clearly ditching Sympatico is called for but there are reasons not to > do so and in any case that would take a while.) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 17 21:19:40 2011 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:19:40 -0400 Subject: sympatico's SMTP server changed: need a new work-around In-Reply-To: <4D8245E8.4060402-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D8245E8.4060402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1300396780.1828.2.camel@jimslaptop> I just sent an email via Sympatico from a non-Sympatico email address on smtp10.bellnet.ca and it worked . jim On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 13:33 -0400, Alex Volkov wrote: > Sending email from different domain always worked with sympatico maybe > something is wrong with that particular server. You probably already > tried to checking connection using telnet, I just successfully connected > to smtphm.sympatico.ca > > Anyway, I always thought that using sympatico smtp server is kind of a > bad idea -- if anything it increases your messages spam probability > score as originating mail server doesn't match sender mail server > address, but as I'm thinking about it now, I'm not entirely sure that > this is true. > > You can try using SMTP over SSL if email service provider supports it > (gmail does). > > You can tunnel SMTP inside a VPN connection provided that you have > enough rights to the server. A more cunning way of using this method is > to open up a tunnel to a computer that's not connected to the Internet > via Bell and simply send mail via that computer. > > Also you can call customer service and complain, but frankly, setting up > vpn is less painful than dealing with bell customer support. > > Alex. > > On 17/03/11 11:52 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > My doaughter uses Sypatico ADSL. She uses their SMTP server for outbound > > mail. > > > > She does not use a Sympatico email address. The normal way of > > submitting email to sympatico blocks non-sympatico email addresses. > > But if you used smtp2.sympatico.ca as the server, it worked. > > > > Today, smtp2.sympatico.ca stopped accepting SMTP connections on port > > 25. We tried 587 too. > > > > Does anyone know a new trick? > > > > (Clearly ditching Sympatico is called for but there are reasons not to > > do so and in any case that would take a while.) > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 16:31:09 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 09:31:09 -0700 Subject: An invincible file Message-ID: I've got a file that for some reasons seems semi-invincible. Here's a quick overview (we'll call the file /opt/data/.config.xml). a) root # ls -ld .config.xml -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4050 Mar 18 08:07 .config.xml b) root # ls -ld /opt/data drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 Oct 4 13:43 /opt/data/ c) Unmounted /opt, fsck'ed, and there are no visible FS errors d) root # lsattr .config.xml ------------- .config.xml e) root # mount | grep opt /dev/sda3 on /opt type ext3 (rw) The file cannot be renamed or deleted. The contents *can* be edited. The filesystem isn't readonly, The file isn't undeletable/immutable. The user is root Any ideas - TJA -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 16:41:24 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:41:24 -0400 Subject: An invincible file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110318164124.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 09:31:09AM -0700, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I've got a file that for some reasons seems semi-invincible. Here's a > quick overview (we'll call the file /opt/data/.config.xml). > a) root # ls -ld .config.xml > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4050 Mar 18 08:07 .config.xml > > b) root # ls -ld /opt/data > drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 Oct 4 13:43 /opt/data/ > > c) Unmounted /opt, fsck'ed, and there are no visible FS errors > > d) root # lsattr .config.xml > ------------- .config.xml > > e) root # mount | grep opt > /dev/sda3 on /opt type ext3 (rw) > > > The file cannot be renamed or deleted. The contents *can* be edited. > The filesystem isn't readonly, The file isn't undeletable/immutable. > The user is root > > > Any ideas Time for an fsck. You may have a corrupt directory, which could cause that behaviour. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 17:43:37 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:43:37 -0400 Subject: An invincible file In-Reply-To: <20110318164124.GN347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318164124.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110318174337.GA3300@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:41:24PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 09:31:09AM -0700, Tyler Aviss wrote: > > I've got a file that for some reasons seems semi-invincible. Here's a > > quick overview (we'll call the file /opt/data/.config.xml). > > a) root # ls -ld .config.xml > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4050 Mar 18 08:07 .config.xml > > > > b) root # ls -ld /opt/data > > drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 Oct 4 13:43 /opt/data/ > > > > c) Unmounted /opt, fsck'ed, and there are no visible FS errors > > > > d) root # lsattr .config.xml > > ------------- .config.xml > > > > e) root # mount | grep opt > > /dev/sda3 on /opt type ext3 (rw) > > > > > > The file cannot be renamed or deleted. The contents *can* be edited. > > The filesystem isn't readonly, The file isn't undeletable/immutable. > > The user is root > > > > > > Any ideas > > Time for an fsck. You may have a corrupt directory, which could cause > that behaviour. But, he already did that. I would've guessed 'lsattr', but that's clean too. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 17:49:30 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:49:30 -0400 Subject: An invincible file In-Reply-To: <20110318174337.GA3300-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318164124.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110318174337.GA3300@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: Did you try chmod 777 config.xml ? I think its possible to make the file chmod 000 config.xml as root and fix it with root again by chmod 777 config.xml? On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:43 PM, William Park wrote: > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:41:24PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 09:31:09AM -0700, Tyler Aviss wrote: > > > I've got a file that for some reasons seems semi-invincible. Here's a > > > quick overview (we'll call the file /opt/data/.config.xml). > > > a) root # ls -ld .config.xml > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4050 Mar 18 08:07 .config.xml > > > > > > b) root # ls -ld /opt/data > > > drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 Oct 4 13:43 /opt/data/ > > > > > > c) Unmounted /opt, fsck'ed, and there are no visible FS errors > > > > > > d) root # lsattr .config.xml > > > ------------- .config.xml > > > > > > e) root # mount | grep opt > > > /dev/sda3 on /opt type ext3 (rw) > > > > > > > > > The file cannot be renamed or deleted. The contents *can* be edited. > > > The filesystem isn't readonly, The file isn't undeletable/immutable. > > > The user is root > > > > > > > > > Any ideas > > > > Time for an fsck. You may have a corrupt directory, which could cause > > that behaviour. > > But, he already did that. I would've guessed 'lsattr', but that's clean > too. > -- > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 18:08:07 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:08:07 -0700 Subject: An invincible file In-Reply-To: References: <20110318164124.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110318174337.GA3300@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Did you try chmod 777 config.xml ? > > I think its possible to make the file chmod 000 config.xml as root and fix > it with root again by chmod 777 config.xml? > > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:43 PM, William Park wrote: >> >> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:41:24PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 09:31:09AM -0700, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> > > I've got a file that for some reasons seems semi-invincible. Here's a >> > > quick overview (we'll call the file /opt/data/.config.xml). >> > > a) root # ls -ld .config.xml >> > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4050 Mar 18 08:07 .config.xml >> > > >> > > b) root # ls -ld /opt/data >> > > drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 Oct ?4 13:43 /opt/data/ >> > > >> > > c) Unmounted /opt, fsck'ed, and there are no visible FS errors >> > > >> > > d) root # lsattr .config.xml >> > > ------------- .config.xml >> > > >> > > e) root ?# mount | grep opt >> > > /dev/sda3 on /opt type ext3 (rw) >> > > >> > > >> > > The file cannot be renamed or deleted. The contents *can* be edited. >> > > The filesystem isn't readonly, The file isn't undeletable/immutable. >> > > The user is root >> > > >> > > >> > > Any ideas >> > >> > Time for an fsck. ?You may have a corrupt directory, which could cause >> > that behaviour. >> >> But, he already did that. ?I would've guessed 'lsattr', but that's clean >> too. >> -- >> William >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > > > > Dave Germiquet > > Changing the file permissions make little difference (though I can, in fact, do so without any errors). As root, one should be able to delete the fail regardless of the permissions (exempting certain "attributes" of which it has none). As mentioned by William, I had also already umounted and fsck'ed the filesystem, which had no errors. I've even rebooted the box, but the file is still stuck like glue. "Computers don't make mistakes. They can, however, execute those provided to them very quickly" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 18:06:11 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:06:11 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file Message-ID: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> Hi, I'm currently keeping all personal infos (ie. contacts, accounts, passwords, pins, etc.) on paper address book. I would like to store them on a single textfile. How do you encrypt/decrypt a single file? I used "cryptsetup" before, but that's for entire partition. I guess I can use password option in "zip", but that's so old fashion. :-) -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 18:11:26 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:11:26 -0400 Subject: An invincible file In-Reply-To: References: <20110318164124.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110318174337.GA3300@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110318181126.GO347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:08:07AM -0700, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Changing the file permissions make little difference (though I can, in > fact, do so without any errors). As root, one should be able to delete > the fail regardless of the permissions (exempting certain "attributes" > of which it has none). > > As mentioned by William, I had also already umounted and fsck'ed the > filesystem, which had no errors. > > I've even rebooted the box, but the file is still stuck like glue. selinux stuff perhaps? I have never dealt with selinux so not sure what difficulties it can cause. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 18:11:52 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:11:52 -0700 Subject: An invincible file In-Reply-To: References: <20110318164124.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110318174337.GA3300@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Dave Germiquet > wrote: >> Did you try chmod 777 config.xml ? >> >> I think its possible to make the file chmod 000 config.xml as root and fix >> it with root again by chmod 777 config.xml? >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:43 PM, William Park wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:41:24PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>> > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 09:31:09AM -0700, Tyler Aviss wrote: >>> > > I've got a file that for some reasons seems semi-invincible. Here's a >>> > > quick overview (we'll call the file /opt/data/.config.xml). >>> > > a) root # ls -ld .config.xml >>> > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4050 Mar 18 08:07 .config.xml >>> > > >>> > > b) root # ls -ld /opt/data >>> > > drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 Oct ?4 13:43 /opt/data/ >>> > > >>> > > c) Unmounted /opt, fsck'ed, and there are no visible FS errors >>> > > >>> > > d) root # lsattr .config.xml >>> > > ------------- .config.xml >>> > > >>> > > e) root ?# mount | grep opt >>> > > /dev/sda3 on /opt type ext3 (rw) >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > The file cannot be renamed or deleted. The contents *can* be edited. >>> > > The filesystem isn't readonly, The file isn't undeletable/immutable. >>> > > The user is root >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Any ideas >>> > >>> > Time for an fsck. ?You may have a corrupt directory, which could cause >>> > that behaviour. >>> >>> But, he already did that. ?I would've guessed 'lsattr', but that's clean >>> too. >>> -- >>> William >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Dave Germiquet >> >> > > > Changing the file permissions make little difference (though I can, in > fact, do so without any errors). As root, one should be able to delete > the fail regardless of the permissions (exempting certain "attributes" > of which it has none). > > As mentioned by William, I had also already umounted and fsck'ed the > filesystem, which had no errors. > > I've even rebooted the box, but the file is still stuck like glue. > > > "Computers don't make mistakes. They can, however, execute those > provided to them very quickly" > Got it... the directory itself was somehow immutable. I didn't even realize this was possible, as chattr(1) only mentions files having the immutable attribute. -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA "Computers don't make mistakes. They can, however, execute those provided to them very quickly" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 18:15:45 2011 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:15:45 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <20110318180610.GA3390-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: Just a word of warning. If all your important information is in one file and your hard drive crashes you could lose everything. If possible keep the file on two computers that way if one computer fails you won't lose all your information. Personally I have all my important files stored on two computers and on a USB flash drive. > Hi, I'm currently keeping all personal infos (ie. contacts, accounts, > passwords, pins, etc.) on paper address book. I would like to store > them on a single textfile. How do you encrypt/decrypt a single file? > > I used "cryptsetup" before, but that's for entire partition. I guess I > can use password option in "zip", but that's so old fashion. :-) > -- > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 18:50:42 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:50:42 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <20110318180610.GA3390-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4D83A982.9020204@utoronto.ca> On 3/18/2011 2:06 PM, William Park wrote: > Hi, I'm currently keeping all personal infos (ie. contacts, accounts, > passwords, pins, etc.) on paper address book. I would like to store > them on a single textfile. How do you encrypt/decrypt a single file? > > I used "cryptsetup" before, but that's for entire partition. I guess I > can use password option in "zip", but that's so old fashion. :-) Try gpg, I use this: gpg -a -c file.txt That will prompt you for a passphrase that will be used for symmetric encryption (-c option). -a will output ascii if you want to to transmit your encrypted file over email. If you want to use a different algorithm, you can specify one by adding: --personal-cipher-preferences TWOFISH, where twofish is one of the cipher algorithms reported by gpg --version on the Cipher: line, e.g.: Cipher: 3DES, CAST5, BLOWFISH, AES, AES192, AES256, TWOFISH So a complete line with an algorithm of your choosing would look like: gpg -a -c --personal-cipher-preferences TWOFISH file.txt You can also add that personal-cipher-preferences to your gpg.conf file. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 18:53:54 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:53:54 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <20110318180610.GA3390-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110318185354.GA27677@yam.witteman.ca> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 02:06:11PM -0400, William Park wrote: >Hi, I'm currently keeping all personal infos (ie. contacts, accounts, >passwords, pins, etc.) on paper address book. I would like to store >them on a single textfile. How do you encrypt/decrypt a single file? > >I used "cryptsetup" before, but that's for entire partition. I guess I >can use password option in "zip", but that's so old fashion. :-) I'd use gpg [1]. It is relatively simple, robust, and secure. You could then distribute your file as widely as you care to - put it up on dropbox, Google docs, etc. The only thing you need to keep safe is your key. [1] http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/howtos.en.html -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hadn't thought of it though. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 19:27:09 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:27:09 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <4D83A982.9020204-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> <4D83A982.9020204@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20110318192709.GA4165@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 02:50:42PM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On 3/18/2011 2:06 PM, William Park wrote: > >Hi, I'm currently keeping all personal infos (ie. contacts, accounts, > >passwords, pins, etc.) on paper address book. I would like to store > >them on a single textfile. How do you encrypt/decrypt a single file? > > > >I used "cryptsetup" before, but that's for entire partition. I guess I > >can use password option in "zip", but that's so old fashion. :-) > > Try gpg, I use this: > > gpg -a -c file.txt Yes, that works. For decrypting, manpage says, gpg -d file.txt.asc > file.txt or, gpg -d file.txt.asc -o file.txt Is there "in-place" option for GPG, just like "gzip"? -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 20:04:45 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:04:45 -0700 Subject: An invincible file In-Reply-To: <20110318192920.GP347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318164124.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110318174337.GA3300@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110318192920.GP347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: The rest of the docs in chattr specifically mention flags for directories, etc, and certainly some flags (+x) are treated differently if applied upon files VS directories. Thus, I had assumed that immutable did not apply to directories. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:11:52AM -0700, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> Got it... the directory itself was somehow immutable. I didn't even >> realize this was possible, as chattr(1) only mentions files having the >> immutable attribute. > > Which part of "everything is a file" in the unix philosophy did you miss? :) > > Makes sense actually. ?To delete a file or rename it is a change to the > contents of the directory file. ?Hadn't thought of it though. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA "Computers don't make mistakes. They can, however, execute those provided to them very quickly" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 20:20:32 2011 From: ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <20110318180610.GA3390-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, William Park wrote: > Hi, I'm currently keeping all personal infos (ie. contacts, accounts, > passwords, pins, etc.) on paper address book. I would like to store > them on a single textfile. How do you encrypt/decrypt a single file? > > I used "cryptsetup" before, but that's for entire partition. I guess I > can use password option in "zip", but that's so old fashion. :-) Have a look at KeePassX (http://www.keepassx.org/) Terry -- Terry Tanski, BSc RHCE Email: ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 20:25:13 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:25:13 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <20110318180610.GA3390-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4D83BFA9.1080800@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > Hi, I'm currently keeping all personal infos (ie. contacts, accounts, > passwords, pins, etc.) on paper address book. I would like to store > them on a single textfile. How do you encrypt/decrypt a single file? > > I used "cryptsetup" before, but that's for entire partition. I guess I > can use password option in "zip", but that's so old fashion. :-) > Well, there's always Gnu Privacy Guard, which uses the PGP encryption methods. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 20:34:14 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:34:14 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110318203414.GA4683@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 04:20:32PM -0400, ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, William Park wrote: > > > Hi, I'm currently keeping all personal infos (ie. contacts, accounts, > > passwords, pins, etc.) on paper address book. I would like to store > > them on a single textfile. How do you encrypt/decrypt a single file? > > > > I used "cryptsetup" before, but that's for entire partition. I guess I > > can use password option in "zip", but that's so old fashion. :-) > > Have a look at KeePassX (http://www.keepassx.org/) Thanks. Another layer of "database" is too much for my need. However, KeePass would be useful for "salespeople" as was discussed in recent TLUG meeting, where sheer volume of contact list requires more than just textfile, but don't want coworkers using that list. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 21:29:53 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:29:53 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:20 PM, wrote: > On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, William Park wrote: > >> Hi, I'm currently keeping all personal infos (ie. contacts, accounts, >> passwords, pins, etc.) on paper address book. ?I would like to store >> them on a single textfile. ?How do you encrypt/decrypt a single file? >> >> I used "cryptsetup" before, but that's for entire partition. ?I guess I >> can use password option in "zip", but that's so old fashion. :-) > > Have a look at KeePassX (http://www.keepassx.org/) Agreed. I'm using KeePassX to manage my "bounty" of passwords, and am pleased that it runs on a sufficiently wide variety of platforms. I happen to care about Linux, Android, and (a little) MacOS-X. Links to the various ports may be found here: What is regrettable is that there's not a totally viable CLI option (see discussion ), although a Python-based thing does exist ( - I haven't gotten it to work, which may be my fault). Another option is Password Safe, which was originally produced by Bruce Schneier (known as developer of such ciphers as Blowfish, Twofish). http://passwordsafe.sourceforge.net/ I used to use Password Gorilla (which is a version with a Tcl/Tk front end). I liked the fact that CLI version was readily available. I couldn't find anything suitable on Android, so migrated to KeePass. These are likely to be more suitable for unsophisticated users than GPG. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 22:49:36 2011 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: sympatico's SMTP server changed: need a new work-around In-Reply-To: <1300396780.1828.2.camel@jimslaptop> References: <4D8245E8.4060402@gmail.com> <1300396780.1828.2.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <33367.65.94.206.112.1300488576.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> > I just sent an email via Sympatico from a non-Sympatico email address on > smtp10.bellnet.ca and it worked . > Thanks!!! That works for me and my Wife! (for the short term anyway.) :) Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 18 18:20:26 2011 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:20:26 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <20110318180610.GA3390-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:06 PM, William Park wrote: > I used "cryptsetup" before, but that's for entire partition. ?I guess I > can use password option in "zip", but that's so old fashion. :-) And crackable with ease. Try GPG (or GnuPG; same thing) Regards, --matt > -- > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- G. Matthew Rice ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? gpg id: EF9AAD20 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 19 03:22:33 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:22:33 -0400 Subject: Odd networking problem Message-ID: <20110319032233.GA25573@amber> Here's one for the experts. I have a netbook running OS X. The ethernet connection to my router is reported to be good, but I can't ping the router, much less connect to the net. Nor can I see the netbook from other computers on the LAN. Normally, I'd think this was a DNS problem. As far as I can tell (I don't know much about OS X), it isn't; the nameservers work for all the other computers on the network, so they should be okay. Routing? Well, according to netstat -nr, the default route does have the IP address of the router. I tried adding the default route manually anyway, just to see, but no difference. At this point I'd suspect the cables or the hardware. The cables work fine with other computers, though. To check the hardware on the netbook I put sysrescuecd on a USB stick and booted from that. The ethernet connection runs perfectly with no fuss or feathers at all. Now I'm at that place known to us all: Wit's End. Any suggestions for what to try next? (Other than "install Linux instead of OS X" -- it's my daughter's computer, not mine, otherwise I would have done that long ago.) -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 19 03:36:05 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:36:05 -0400 Subject: Odd networking problem In-Reply-To: <20110319032233.GA25573@amber> References: <20110319032233.GA25573@amber> Message-ID: <20110319033605.GA7358@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:22:33PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > Here's one for the experts. > > I have a netbook running OS X. The ethernet connection to my router is reported > to be good, but I can't ping the router, much less connect to the net. Nor can I > see the netbook from other computers on the LAN. > > Normally, I'd think this was a DNS problem. As far as I can tell (I don't know > much about OS X), it isn't; the nameservers work for all the other computers on > the network, so they should be okay. > > Routing? Well, according to netstat -nr, the default route does have the IP address > of the router. I tried adding the default route manually anyway, just to see, but > no difference. > > At this point I'd suspect the cables or the hardware. The cables work fine with > other computers, though. To check the hardware on the netbook I put sysrescuecd > on a USB stick and booted from that. The ethernet connection runs perfectly with > no fuss or feathers at all. > > Now I'm at that place known to us all: Wit's End. Any suggestions for what to try > next? (Other than "install Linux instead of OS X" -- it's my daughter's computer, > not mine, otherwise I would have done that long ago.) Firewall? Try 'traceroute'. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 19 02:41:10 2011 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:41:10 -0400 Subject: External USB Blu-Ray drives under Linux? Message-ID: Folks - I've outgrown by DVD storage, so I'm considering upgrading to an external USB connected Blu-Ray burner. Using an external USB-connected hard drive works great on this Suse Linux box, so I'm hoping there is a similar solution for Blu-Ray. Any comments on the feasibility of this? Does it require special software or can you simply mount the drive and copy to it? Any advice would be appreciated. Here's the description of this system: cat /etc/issue Welcome to openSUSE 10.3 (i586) - Kernel \r (\l). cat /proc/version Linux version 2.6.22.19-0.4-default (geeko at buildhost) (gcc version 4.2.1 (SUSE Linux)) #1 SMP 2009-08-14 02:09:16 +0200 Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 19 07:18:50 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 03:18:50 -0400 Subject: External USB Blu-Ray drives under Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i got a lg bluray about a year ago. I didn't have much luck with linux support back then, but nero has a linux version for about 19$, so i was happy to support a commercial linux program, and it worked well. I am not sure about usb bluray, but if nero sees it, chances are it will work with it. I just installed linux mint DE as my main desktop and i will try and burn a bluray with some apps on it, but I also have 50gb dual layer,and even 50gb dual layer re-writables, so I wouldn't be surprised if i still need nero. tl On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:41 PM, wrote: > Folks - > > I've outgrown by DVD storage, so I'm considering upgrading to an external > USB connected Blu-Ray burner. Using an external USB-connected hard drive > works great on this Suse Linux box, so I'm hoping there is a similar > solution for Blu-Ray. > > Any comments on the feasibility of this? Does it require special software > or can you simply mount the drive and copy to it? > > Any advice would be appreciated. Here's the description of this system: > > cat /etc/issue > Welcome to openSUSE 10.3 (i586) - Kernel \r (\l). > > cat /proc/version > Linux version 2.6.22.19-0.4-default (geeko at buildhost) (gcc version 4.2.1 > (SUSE Linux)) #1 SMP 2009-08-14 02:09:16 +0200 > > Peter > > > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > http://www.syscompdesign.com > USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > 647-839-0325 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 19 14:50:41 2011 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 10:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: External USB Blu-Ray drives under Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a generic adapter (USB to 2.5" IDE, 3'5" IDE, and SATA) that works fine on hard drives and DVD burners. Brasero and k3b work fine with that, and say that they work with Blu-Ray as well. I do not yet have a blu-ray burner, but I plan to get one when media costs come down. (generic USB/IDE/SATA adapters are available on Ebay). Duncan > Folks - > > I've outgrown by DVD storage, so I'm considering upgrading to an external > USB connected Blu-Ray burner. Using an external USB-connected hard drive > works great on this Suse Linux box, so I'm hoping there is a similar > solution for Blu-Ray. > > Any comments on the feasibility of this? Does it require special software > or can you simply mount the drive and copy to it? > > Any advice would be appreciated. Here's the description of this system: > > cat /etc/issue > Welcome to openSUSE 10.3 (i586) - Kernel \r (\l). > > cat /proc/version > Linux version 2.6.22.19-0.4-default (geeko at buildhost) (gcc version 4.2.1 > (SUSE Linux)) #1 SMP 2009-08-14 02:09:16 +0200 > > Peter > > > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > http://www.syscompdesign.com > USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > 647-839-0325 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 19 14:51:47 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 10:51:47 -0400 Subject: Odd networking problem In-Reply-To: <20110319033605.GA7358-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110319032233.GA25573@amber> <20110319033605.GA7358@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110319145147.GA27360@amber> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:36:05PM -0400, William Park wrote: > Firewall? Try 'traceroute'. Well, traceroute works by measuring the length of time between "ping" hops, but I can't even ping the router -- so traceroute gives nothing, in either direction. The router doesn't recognize the netbook as connected under OS X, even though it registers the presence of a "live" ethernet connection at the correct speed. I guess that's all lower down in the seven layers. Tried reinstalling the drivers, too, without joy. Browsing the networking configuration plist, I *did* find that the router's mac address associated with the ethernet port isn't correct. That might make a difference, if I could figure out how to change it (short of blind-typing over the configuration file which I'm hesitant to do without having a better idea of what's going on in the internals). -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 19 18:53:24 2011 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:53:24 -0400 Subject: External USB Blu-Ray drives under Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5621eeb95d025eee61183e4e6f399034.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Thanks, Duncan, that sounds hopeful. I'll give it a shot. Peter > I have a generic adapter (USB to 2.5" IDE, 3'5" IDE, and SATA) that works > fine on hard drives and DVD burners. Brasero and k3b work fine with that, > and say that they work with Blu-Ray as well. I do not yet have a blu-ray > burner, but I plan to get one when media costs come down. > (generic USB/IDE/SATA adapters are available on Ebay). > > Duncan > >> Folks - >> >> I've outgrown by DVD storage, so I'm considering upgrading to an >> external >> USB connected Blu-Ray burner. Using an external USB-connected hard drive >> works great on this Suse Linux box, so I'm hoping there is a similar >> solution for Blu-Ray. >> >> Any comments on the feasibility of this? Does it require special >> software >> or can you simply mount the drive and copy to it? >> >> Any advice would be appreciated. Here's the description of this system: >> >> cat /etc/issue >> Welcome to openSUSE 10.3 (i586) - Kernel \r (\l). >> >> cat /proc/version >> Linux version 2.6.22.19-0.4-default (geeko at buildhost) (gcc version 4.2.1 >> (SUSE Linux)) #1 SMP 2009-08-14 02:09:16 +0200 >> >> Peter >> >> >> -- >> Peter Hiscocks >> Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto >> http://www.syscompdesign.com >> USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator >> 647-839-0325 >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 19 19:16:44 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:16:44 -0700 Subject: External USB Blu-Ray drives under Linux? In-Reply-To: <5621eeb95d025eee61183e4e6f399034.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <5621eeb95d025eee61183e4e6f399034.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: Anyone know the speed/bandwidth on a BR reader/burner? I'd worry that it might overwhelm some USB2 connections. USB3 would be nice, esp with the dedicated controller. On 2011-03-19 11:54 AM, wrote: > Thanks, Duncan, that sounds hopeful. I'll give it a shot. > > Peter > >> I have a generic adapter (USB to 2.5" IDE, 3'5" IDE, and SATA) that works >> fine on hard drives and DVD burners. Brasero and k3b work fine with that, >> and say that they work with Blu-Ray as well. I do not yet have a blu-ray >> burner, but I plan to get one when media costs come down. >> (generic USB/IDE/SATA adapters are available on Ebay). >> >> Duncan >> >>> Folks - >>> >>> I've outgrown by DVD storage, so I'm considering upgrading to an >>> external >>> USB connected Blu-Ray burner. Using an external USB-connected hard drive >>> works great on this Suse Linux box, so I'm hoping there is a similar >>> solution for Blu-Ray. >>> >>> Any comments on the feasibility of this? Does it require special >>> software >>> or can you simply mount the drive and copy to it? >>> >>> Any advice would be appreciated. Here's the description of this system: >>> >>> cat /etc/issue >>> Welcome to openSUSE 10.3 (i586) - Kernel \r (\l). >>> >>> cat /proc/version >>> Linux version 2.6.22.19-0.4-default (geeko at buildhost) (gcc version 4.2.1 >>> (SUSE Linux)) #1 SMP 2009-08-14 02:09:16 +0200 >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Peter Hiscocks >>> Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto >>> http://www.syscompdesign.com >>> USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator >>> 647-839-0325 >>> >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > http://www.syscompdesign.com > USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > 647-839-0325 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 19 22:44:07 2011 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 18:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: External USB Blu-Ray drives under Linux? In-Reply-To: <5621eeb95d025eee61183e4e6f399034.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <5621eeb95d025eee61183e4e6f399034.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: You're welcome. Try: http://cgi.ebay.ca/USB-2-0-SATA-IDE-CABLE-ADAPTER-4-DVD-CD-HARD-DRIVE-/330543859707?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item4cf5f307fb Please let us know about the sources and costs for blank media. Dunc > Thanks, Duncan, that sounds hopeful. I'll give it a shot. > > Peter > >> I have a generic adapter (USB to 2.5" IDE, 3'5" IDE, and SATA) that >> works >> fine on hard drives and DVD burners. Brasero and k3b work fine with >> that, >> and say that they work with Blu-Ray as well. I do not yet have a >> blu-ray >> burner, but I plan to get one when media costs come down. >> (generic USB/IDE/SATA adapters are available on Ebay). >> >> Duncan >> >>> Folks - >>> >>> I've outgrown by DVD storage, so I'm considering upgrading to an >>> external >>> USB connected Blu-Ray burner. Using an external USB-connected hard >>> drive >>> works great on this Suse Linux box, so I'm hoping there is a similar >>> solution for Blu-Ray. >>> >>> Any comments on the feasibility of this? Does it require special >>> software >>> or can you simply mount the drive and copy to it? >>> >>> Any advice would be appreciated. Here's the description of this system: >>> >>> cat /etc/issue >>> Welcome to openSUSE 10.3 (i586) - Kernel \r (\l). >>> >>> cat /proc/version >>> Linux version 2.6.22.19-0.4-default (geeko at buildhost) (gcc version >>> 4.2.1 >>> (SUSE Linux)) #1 SMP 2009-08-14 02:09:16 +0200 >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Peter Hiscocks >>> Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto >>> http://www.syscompdesign.com >>> USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator >>> 647-839-0325 >>> >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > http://www.syscompdesign.com > USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > 647-839-0325 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 20 05:26:25 2011 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 01:26:25 -0400 Subject: Odd networking problem In-Reply-To: <20110319145147.GA27360@amber> References: <20110319032233.GA25573@amber> <20110319033605.GA7358@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110319145147.GA27360@amber> Message-ID: You can try "arp -a" from terminal to see if there's lower level awareness of the router, in which case you should see the router's MAC address listed as a neighbor, in which case, you would at least know that it's a higher layer where the problem resides. -jason On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Peter King wrote: > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:36:05PM -0400, William Park wrote: > > > Firewall? Try 'traceroute'. > > Well, traceroute works by measuring the length of time between "ping" hops, > but I can't even ping the router -- so traceroute gives nothing, in either > direction. The router doesn't recognize the netbook as connected under OS > X, > even though it registers the presence of a "live" ethernet connection at > the > correct speed. I guess that's all lower down in the seven layers. > > Tried reinstalling the drivers, too, without joy. > > Browsing the networking configuration plist, I *did* find that the router's > mac address associated with the ethernet port isn't correct. That might > make > a difference, if I could figure out how to change it (short of blind-typing > over the configuration file which I'm hesitant to do without having a > better > idea of what's going on in the internals). > > -- > Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > Department of Philosophy > 170 St. George Street #521 > The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc > Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 > CANADA > > http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ > > ========================================================================= > GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 19 13:03:53 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:03:53 -0400 Subject: External USB Blu-Ray drives under Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110319130353.GA8254@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:41:10PM -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Folks - > > I've outgrown by DVD storage, so I'm considering upgrading to an external > USB connected Blu-Ray burner. Using an external USB-connected hard drive > works great on this Suse Linux box, so I'm hoping there is a similar > solution for Blu-Ray. > > Any comments on the feasibility of this? Does it require special software > or can you simply mount the drive and copy to it? > > Any advice would be appreciated. Here's the description of this system: > > cat /etc/issue > Welcome to openSUSE 10.3 (i586) - Kernel \r (\l). > > cat /proc/version > Linux version 2.6.22.19-0.4-default (geeko at buildhost) (gcc version 4.2.1 > (SUSE Linux)) #1 SMP 2009-08-14 02:09:16 +0200 > > Peter I'm sure you did the math... but, isn't 3TB harddisk cheaper? You get those external dock, and swap the harddisk like you currently do with DVD. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 20 13:47:22 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 09:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Odd networking problem In-Reply-To: <20110319032233.GA25573@amber> References: <20110319032233.GA25573@amber> Message-ID: | From: Peter King | I have a netbook running OS X. The ethernet connection to my router is reported | to be good, but I can't ping the router, much less connect to the net. Nor can I | see the netbook from other computers on the LAN. First question you might want to answer: is this a hardware or software problem. Since no netbook comes with OSX, it probably came with some version of Microsoft Windows. When you boot with Windows, can you do networking? If you blew your Windows partition away, you could test with a live Linux on a USB memory stick. Since OSX isn't supported by Apple on your platform, you might easily get into the weeds. Of course they say the same about Linux and that has never stopped us. But at least the Linux ecosystem is supportive of such efforts. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 20 14:37:53 2011 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 10:37:53 -0400 Subject: External USB Blu-Ray drives under Linux? In-Reply-To: <20110319130353.GA8254-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110319130353.GA8254@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <77dd4ebf35fe067aeabde775a807c44e.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:41:10PM -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >> Folks - >> >> I've outgrown by DVD storage, so I'm considering upgrading to an >> external >> USB connected Blu-Ray burner. Using an external USB-connected hard drive >> works great on this Suse Linux box, so I'm hoping there is a similar >> solution for Blu-Ray. >> >> Any comments on the feasibility of this? Does it require special >> software >> or can you simply mount the drive and copy to it? >> >> Any advice would be appreciated. Here's the description of this system: >> >> cat /etc/issue >> Welcome to openSUSE 10.3 (i586) - Kernel \r (\l). >> >> cat /proc/version >> Linux version 2.6.22.19-0.4-default (geeko at buildhost) (gcc version 4.2.1 >> (SUSE Linux)) #1 SMP 2009-08-14 02:09:16 +0200 >> >> Peter > > I'm sure you did the math... but, isn't 3TB harddisk cheaper? You get > those external dock, and swap the harddisk like you currently do with > DVD. > -- > William > -- Yeah, that may be the way to go. On further research, Blu-Ray appears not to be all that reliable for archival storage. Apparently the limiting factor with hard drives is that the lubrication fails after a year or so of sitting on the shelf, so you have to use a HD to keep it working. Hard drive is definitely the way to go for local backup. Removeable hard drive might also be the best alternative for off-site backup. I'm also going to look at solid state. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 20 15:12:47 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:12:47 -0400 Subject: External USB Blu-Ray drives under Linux? In-Reply-To: <77dd4ebf35fe067aeabde775a807c44e.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <20110319130353.GA8254@node1.opengeometry.net> <77dd4ebf35fe067aeabde775a807c44e.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: bluray not reliable? so you need far more then 100year retention? what are you doing that needs that? I still have cd's from '88 that are good , and some that are totally screwed, but I believe a good disc like a panny BD could get 100years of life even in poor storage env. A 50gb BD will also be 0.50 in time (couple of years), but then they have 300gb ones on the way to (so have to buy a new drive), but BD is likely to be a standard for reading for a while, i.e. CD will probably have a production life of 40-50years, so i could see BD devices still sold in 2040+. (or at least will read BD, and 1tb BD or whatever as time goes on). tl On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:37 AM, wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:41:10PM -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> Folks - >>> >>> I've outgrown by DVD storage, so I'm considering upgrading to an >>> external >>> USB connected Blu-Ray burner. Using an external USB-connected hard drive >>> works great on this Suse Linux box, so I'm hoping there is a similar >>> solution for Blu-Ray. >>> >>> Any comments on the feasibility of this? Does it require special >>> software >>> or can you simply mount the drive and copy to it? >>> >>> Any advice would be appreciated. Here's the description of this system: >>> >>> cat /etc/issue >>> Welcome to openSUSE 10.3 (i586) - Kernel \r (\l). >>> >>> cat /proc/version >>> Linux version 2.6.22.19-0.4-default (geeko at buildhost) (gcc version 4.2.1 >>> (SUSE Linux)) #1 SMP 2009-08-14 02:09:16 +0200 >>> >>> Peter >> >> I'm sure you did the math... but, isn't 3TB harddisk cheaper? ?You get >> those external dock, and swap the harddisk like you currently do with >> DVD. >> -- >> William >> -- > Yeah, that may be the way to go. On further research, Blu-Ray appears not > to be all that reliable for archival storage. Apparently the limiting > factor with hard drives is that the lubrication fails after a year or so > of sitting on the shelf, so you have to use a HD to keep it working. > > Hard drive is definitely the way to go for local backup. Removeable hard > drive might also be the best alternative for off-site backup. I'm also > going to look at solid state. > > Peter > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 20 15:27:51 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:27:51 -0400 Subject: Odd networking problem In-Reply-To: <20110319032233.GA25573@amber> References: <20110319032233.GA25573@amber> Message-ID: <4D861CF7.6050901@rogers.com> Peter King wrote: > Normally, I'd think this was a DNS problem. As far as I can tell (I don't know > much about OS X), it isn't; the nameservers work for all the other computers on > the network, so they should be okay. > What happens if you ping by IP address? BTW, why do people never seem to have "even" problems? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 20 15:50:31 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:50:31 -0400 Subject: External USB Blu-Ray drives under Linux? In-Reply-To: <77dd4ebf35fe067aeabde775a807c44e.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <20110319130353.GA8254@node1.opengeometry.net> <77dd4ebf35fe067aeabde775a807c44e.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20110320155031.GA4438@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:37:53AM -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Yeah, that may be the way to go. On further research, Blu-Ray appears not > to be all that reliable for archival storage. Apparently the limiting > factor with hard drives is that the lubrication fails after a year or so > of sitting on the shelf, so you have to use a HD to keep it working. > > Hard drive is definitely the way to go for local backup. Removeable hard > drive might also be the best alternative for off-site backup. I'm also > going to look at solid state. Well, if you're looking into SSD, then money is not a problem. In that case, here is $1200 15TB raid5 solution: - LianLi EX-50 - Hitachi 3TB I think 16TB is the max for block device right now. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 20 16:21:27 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 12:21:27 -0400 Subject: Odd networking problem In-Reply-To: <20110319145147.GA27360@amber> References: <20110319032233.GA25573@amber> <20110319033605.GA7358@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110319145147.GA27360@amber> Message-ID: Peter, > > Browsing the networking configuration plist, I *did* find that the router's > mac address associated with the ethernet port isn't correct. That might make > a difference, if I could figure out how to change it (short of blind-typing > over the configuration file which I'm hesitant to do without having a better > idea of what's going on in the internals). This is layer 1 or layer 2 issue. It odd though it works when you boot into a live CD environment.. Try this. On the OSX console - You can reach it by searching for "terminal" using spotlight - type sudo arp -ad en0 or sudo arp -a -d en0 That will remove all arp entry in your arp table and allow OSX to repopulate it. Use IP when testing for connectivity. As in, ping your default gateway by IP. If this does not work, I would advice you try replacing your ethernet cable. Alternatively, try setting up a wireless setup and see if you have better luck there William > > -- > Peter King ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > Department of Philosophy > 170 St. George Street #521 > The University of Toronto ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (416)-978-4951 ofc > Toronto, ON ?M5R 2M8 > ? ? ? CANADA > > http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ > > ========================================================================= > GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC ?36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arpadtoth-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 20 19:06:55 2011 From: arpadtoth-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Arpad Toth) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 12:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Odd kernel error messages Message-ID: <374493.4532.qm@web114706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have seen it with loose NIC and also unsupported wifi --- On Wed, 3/16/11, solarflow99 wrote: From: solarflow99 Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Odd kernel error messages To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Received: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 11:15 PM I've seen that before with memory problems, try running a memtest. On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: I've had the last one (dazed and confused) before on a Dell server with a RAM DIMM that went bad. Eventually the box hung a bit after that message and a massive kernel puke. Replaced the DIMM and all was good. Dell had also indicated it could have been CPU issues prior to tracking it down. On 2011-03-16 4:45 AM, "Digimer" wrote: > Any ideas on what this might mean? > > Message from syslogd at lework at Mar 16 07:11:18 ... > kernel:[57255.286992] Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason a1 on CPU 0. > > Message from syslogd at lework at Mar 16 07:11:18 ... > kernel:[57255.286997] You have some hardware problem, likely on the PCI > bus. > > Message from syslogd at lework at Mar 16 07:11:18 ... > kernel:[57255.287002] Dazed and confused, but trying to continue > > Fedora 14, x86_64. > > -- > Digimer > E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org > AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com > Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 20 19:17:02 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:17:02 -0400 Subject: Odd kernel error messages In-Reply-To: <374493.4532.qm-7v6jTYZ1OgoHBU+L9ui1Svu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <374493.4532.qm@web114706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D8652AE.3040608@alteeve.com> On 03/20/2011 03:06 PM, Arpad Toth wrote: > I have seen it with loose NIC and also unsupported wifi After I sent that message, I lost bluetooth entirely. When I got home that day, I removed the bt/wifi card, cleaned the connections and reseated the card. *touch wood*, it's been fine since then. -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 21 16:50:10 2011 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:50:10 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Get an HTC Desire under contract. The hardware is basically the same as the Nexus (hence VERY hackable/rootable - and easily returned to factory state) and it's free (again, on contract) at Telus. I have one and love it to bits. Right now I'm running Cyanogen 6.1.1 on it (Android 2.2), but I'm moving soon either to Oxygen2 or Cyanogen 7 (Android 2.3.3). - Fabio On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:43, Andrej Marjan wrote: > Thanks to everyone who replied for the information, it's been a big help. > > > Nexus is a 4th declension noun, like virus, so the Latin plural is > "nexus". Thus the proper English pluralization is nexuses, and > viruses. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 21 17:00:07 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:00:07 -0400 Subject: Vim vs Emacs Message-ID: Ran across the following quote regarding VIM vs. Emacs (but does leave a question regarding the women, such as this months GTALug speaker Sacha Chua, who prefer Emacs...): "A man with no beard or a goatee is usually satisfied with Vim, once a full beard is developed, Emacs is preferred" - Camilo Mesias Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 21 17:11:24 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:11:24 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Fabio, I see you mentioned another firmware Oxygen2, I tried quick googling and couldn't find it. Does it have its own web site? Does it work with T-MOBILE G2? I'm curious on trying it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 21 17:49:37 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:49:37 -0700 Subject: VoIP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: www.voicemeup.com Or www.voipbuster.com On 2011-03-21 10:45 AM, "Mike" wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martjh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 21 18:46:29 2011 From: martjh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Martin) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:46:29 -0500 Subject: Vim vs Emacs In-Reply-To: <20110321171941.GA11750-Yo2lbq6wgFLzJdrd7FKUVe5l36ES5KHxUqY348UjxtX3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20110321171941.GA11750@triltoucheee.wireless.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Bearded. Know enough Vi to get in and out without shooting myself in the foot. Know *of* Emacs. Gedit and UltraEdit are my staples when a GUI is to be had. -j On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Peter John Hartman wrote: > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 01:00:07PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: >> Ran across the following quote regarding VIM vs. Emacs (but does leave >> a question regarding the women, such as this months GTALug speaker >> Sacha Chua, who prefer Emacs...): >> >> "A man with no beard or a goatee is usually satisfied with Vim, once a >> full beard is developed, Emacs is preferred" - Camilo Mesias > > I guess us joe users are clean shaven. > > -p > > -- > sic dicit magister P > PhD Candidate > Collaborative Programme in Ancient and Medieval Philosophy > University of Toronto > http://individual.utoronto.ca/peterjh > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 21 18:53:47 2011 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:53:47 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think it's HTC Desire-only for now. You can find it at XDA, as usual. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=971904 - FZ On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 13:11, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hey Fabio, > > I see you mentioned another firmware Oxygen2, I tried quick googling and > couldn't find it. Does it have its own web site? > Does it work with T-MOBILE G2? > > I'm curious on trying it. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 21 19:57:11 2011 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:57:11 -0400 Subject: Vim vs Emacs In-Reply-To: References: <20110321171941.GA11750@triltoucheee.wireless.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Bearded and use vi almost exclusively, although I can get in and out of emacs and save my changes. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:46 PM, John Martin wrote: > Bearded. Know enough Vi to get in and out without shooting myself in > the foot. Know *of* Emacs. Gedit and UltraEdit are my staples when a > GUI is to be had. -j > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Peter John Hartman > wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 01:00:07PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > >> Ran across the following quote regarding VIM vs. Emacs (but does leave > >> a question regarding the women, such as this months GTALug speaker > >> Sacha Chua, who prefer Emacs...): > >> > >> "A man with no beard or a goatee is usually satisfied with Vim, once a > >> full beard is developed, Emacs is preferred" - Camilo Mesias > > > > I guess us joe users are clean shaven. > > > > -p > > > > -- > > sic dicit magister P > > PhD Candidate > > Collaborative Programme in Ancient and Medieval Philosophy > > University of Toronto > > http://individual.utoronto.ca/peterjh > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 21 20:22:06 2011 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Vim vs Emacs In-Reply-To: References: <20110321171941.GA11750@triltoucheee.wireless.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011, Jason Shaw wrote: > Bearded and use vi almost exclusively, although I can get in and out of > emacs and save my changes. Traitor! ;) > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:46 PM, John Martin wrote: > >> Bearded. Know enough Vi to get in and out without shooting myself in >> the foot. Know *of* Emacs. Gedit and UltraEdit are my staples when a >> GUI is to be had. -j >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Peter John Hartman >> wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 01:00:07PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: >>>> Ran across the following quote regarding VIM vs. Emacs (but does leave >>>> a question regarding the women, such as this months GTALug speaker >>>> Sacha Chua, who prefer Emacs...): >>>> >>>> "A man with no beard or a goatee is usually satisfied with Vim, once a >>>> full beard is developed, Emacs is preferred" - Camilo Mesias >>> >>> I guess us joe users are clean shaven. The quotation came from a LinkedIn discussion on favourite text editors. I posted it to Facebook, where Colin found it. The only person who has suggested Joe also has a full beard. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From michaelgalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 21 21:07:11 2011 From: michaelgalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A at public.gmane.org (Michael Galea) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:07:11 -0400 Subject: Odd networking problem In-Reply-To: <20110319033605.GA7358-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110319032233.GA25573@amber> <20110319033605.GA7358@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4D87BDFF.6090608@ruggedcom.com> On 18/03/11 11:36 PM, William Park wrote: > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:22:33PM -0400, Peter King wrote: >> Here's one for the experts. >> >> I have a netbook running OS X. The ethernet connection to my router is reported >> to be good, but I can't ping the router, much less connect to the net. Nor can I >> see the netbook from other computers on the LAN. >> >> Normally, I'd think this was a DNS problem. As far as I can tell (I don't know >> much about OS X), it isn't; the nameservers work for all the other computers on >> the network, so they should be okay. >> >> Routing? Well, according to netstat -nr, the default route does have the IP address >> of the router. I tried adding the default route manually anyway, just to see, but >> no difference. >> >> At this point I'd suspect the cables or the hardware. The cables work fine with >> other computers, though. To check the hardware on the netbook I put sysrescuecd >> on a USB stick and booted from that. The ethernet connection runs perfectly with >> no fuss or feathers at all. >> >> Now I'm at that place known to us all: Wit's End. Any suggestions for what to try >> next? (Other than "install Linux instead of OS X" -- it's my daughter's computer, >> not mine, otherwise I would have done that long ago.) > > Firewall? Try 'traceroute'. Hey William, Are you sure the netbook's netmask is correctly configured? Does tcpdump on the nameserver show incoming traffic when you ping from the netbook? Try tcpdump with -e. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 00:03:05 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: sympatico's SMTP server changed: need a new work-around In-Reply-To: <33367.65.94.206.112.1300488576.squirrel-GqYTezIbEURL1Y7jC+g/Zg@public.gmane.org> References: <4D8245E8.4060402@gmail.com> <1300396780.1828.2.camel@jimslaptop> <33367.65.94.206.112.1300488576.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> Message-ID: | From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org | > I just sent an email via Sympatico from a non-Sympatico email address on | > smtp10.bellnet.ca and it worked . | | Thanks!!! | | That works for me and my Wife! (for the short term anyway.) :) Thanks to jim : that worked for us too. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 01:30:36 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:30:36 -0400 Subject: SATA problem Message-ID: I was wanting to add a couple extra drives to one of my systems, and apparently picked up the wrong sort of SATA controller. Docs out on the "interweb" are a bit less up to date than seems useful. I grabbed a Bytecc generic card: This is using a VIA 6421 chipset, which seems supported as part of the "sata_via" driver, but it doesn't recognize my drives. That seems vaguely consistent with this: Is there some particular cheap-ish controller I ought to go looking for? FYI, here's current kernel info... wolfe:~# uname -a Linux wolfe 2.6.30-2-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 7 05:21:45 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux Perhaps I need to update to a rather newer kernel... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 02:17:31 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:17:31 -0400 Subject: Odd networking problem In-Reply-To: References: <20110319032233.GA25573@amber> Message-ID: <20110322021731.GA2329@amber> Thanks to one and all for the suggestions. Still no joy. The installation of OS X on a netbook is indeed a hack, but it had been running smoothly with no problems for over three months before developing network, umm, issues. Tried sudo arp -a and allowing OS X to repopulate: no good, OS X did not see the router no matter what. Likewise, the router did not "see" the netbook, at the software level. It *did* correctly detect a link running at the correct speed, but no more than that. The hardware is fine: the ethernet and router talk to one another just fine if I boot the netbook with Linux (sysresccd on a usb stick). Other computers connect just fine to the router, and the cable works with them. So it's some little configuration detail in OS X that's gotten wedged, and OS X does not in general allow or encourage you to unwedge things. Not using it myself (I only maintain/troubleshoot for my family), I don't know the answer. Very puzzling. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cpchan-CzeTG9NwML0 at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 04:40:46 2011 From: cpchan-CzeTG9NwML0 at public.gmane.org (Charles Philip Chan) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 00:40:46 -0400 Subject: Vim vs Emacs In-Reply-To: <20110321235726.c26452b6.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> (Howard Gibson's message of "Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:57:26 -0400") References: <20110321235726.c26452b6.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: Howard Gibson writes: > I have a full beard. I use vi. I have no beard and I use Emacs. :-P Charles -- "Oh, I've seen copies [of Linux Journal] around the terminal room at The Labs." (By Dennis Ritchie) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sata I / 150 MB/s is probably fine for most applications There are features you may want. These may include: - Port Multiplier support (yesterday I wanted to buy a cheap JBOD box for my Acer Revo but found that the ION SATA controller doesn't support Port Multiplication) - hot plugging - AHCI - eSATA What I've used on a PCI bus were inexpensive cards based on Silicon Image chips. - one was from Canada Computers (actually XpressCanada.com, their slightly cheaper mail-order arm): - One was from NewEgg (now out of stock) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 14:10:59 2011 From: el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:10:59 -0400 Subject: Vim vs Emacs In-Reply-To: References: <20110321235726.c26452b6.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Charles Philip Chan wrote: > Howard Gibson writes: > >> I have a full beard. ?I use vi. > > I have no beard and I use Emacs. :-P > Beard: seasonally Emacs versus vi: a liberal helping of both daily! And often a bagel and maybe some vitamin C! How utterly typical of a bunch of un*x geeks, bearded or otherwise, to start amassing statistics on such a topic ;-) Cheers, Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 14:11:33 2011 From: el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:11:33 -0400 Subject: Vim vs Emacs In-Reply-To: References: <20110321235726.c26452b6.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Charles Philip Chan wrote: > Howard Gibson writes: > >> I have a full beard. ?I use vi. > > I have no beard and I use Emacs. :-P > Beard: seasonally Emacs versus vi: a liberal helping of both daily! And often a bagel and maybe some vitamin C! How utterly typical of a bunch of un*x geeks, bearded or otherwise, to start amassing statistics on such a topic ;-) Cheers, Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 16:03:29 2011 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:03:29 -0500 Subject: need a good way to determine the OS from a BASH script Message-ID: <201103221103.31136.icanprogram@295.ca> I'm in the process of debugging a Mac version of my SIMPL open source toolkit. With the GNU tools installed on the Mac the SIMPL toolkit compiles straight up without any conditional compilation ifdefs. However, I've encountered an issue with the shmctl() function. Linux allows a process to shmat() even if the segment was previously marked for destruction. The Mac does not. The reason for marking immediately after creation is to prevent shared memory leaks in cases of aborted processes. As a result of this difference I'm going to have to introduce a conditional compile ifdef for the MACOSX. Ideally I'd like to be able to detect that I'm about to compile on the MAC inside the Makefile (or at least in the install script). Any ideas on how one could reliably detect a Linux OS as opposed to a Mac OS? Thanks in advance for your help. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 15:06:27 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:06:27 -0400 Subject: need a good way to determine the OS from a BASH script In-Reply-To: <201103221103.31136.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <201103221103.31136.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <4D88BAF3.8040704@alteeve.com> On 03/22/2011 12:03 PM, bob 295 wrote: > I'm in the process of debugging a Mac version of my SIMPL open source toolkit. > With the GNU tools installed on the Mac the SIMPL toolkit compiles straight > up without any conditional compilation ifdefs. However, I've encountered > an issue with the shmctl() function. Linux allows a process to shmat() > even if the segment was previously marked for destruction. The Mac does > not. The reason for marking immediately after creation is to prevent shared > memory leaks in cases of aborted processes. As a result of this difference > I'm going to have to introduce a conditional compile ifdef for the MACOSX. > > Ideally I'd like to be able to detect that I'm about to compile on the MAC > inside the Makefile (or at least in the install script). Any ideas on how > one could reliably detect a Linux OS as opposed to a Mac OS? > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > bob Though it's not technically it's purpose; I've had good luck checking /etc/issue for distro name and version info. -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vic-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 15:07:01 2011 From: vic-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org (Vic Gedris) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:07:01 -0400 Subject: need a good way to determine the OS from a BASH script In-Reply-To: <201103221103.31136.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <201103221103.31136.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: "uname" is your friend for this. $ uname Linux $ uname SunOS ..etc.. Not sure what it reports for MacOS... -Vic Vic Gedris - http://vic.gedris.org Toronto, Ontario, Canada - http://www.junctiontriangle.ca On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 12:03 PM, bob 295 wrote: > I'm in the process of debugging a Mac version of my SIMPL open source toolkit. > With the GNU tools installed on the Mac the SIMPL toolkit compiles straight > up without any conditional compilation ifdefs. ? ?However, I've encountered > an issue with the shmctl() function. ? ?Linux allows a process to shmat() > even if the segment was previously marked for destruction. ? The Mac does > not. ? The reason for marking immediately after creation is to prevent shared > memory leaks in cases of aborted processes. ? ?As a result of this difference > I'm going to have to introduce a conditional compile ifdef for the MACOSX. > > Ideally I'd like to be able to detect that I'm about to compile on the MAC > inside the Makefile (or at least in the install script). ? ?Any ideas on how > one could reliably detect a Linux OS as opposed to a Mac OS? > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > bob > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 15:11:41 2011 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:11:41 -0400 Subject: need a good way to determine the OS from a BASH script In-Reply-To: <4D88BAF3.8040704-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <201103221103.31136.icanprogram@295.ca> <4D88BAF3.8040704@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Digimer wrote: >> Ideally I'd like to be able to detect that I'm about to compile on the MAC >> inside the Makefile (or at least in the install script). ? ?Any ideas on how >> one could reliably detect a Linux OS as opposed to a Mac OS? >> >> Thanks in advance for your help. > > Though it's not technically it's purpose; I've had good luck checking > /etc/issue for distro name and version info. I have to agree here. /etc/issue has also been the most reliable way to detect the linux distro. Also, it maybe time to start looking at tools like autoconf. Regards, -- G. Matthew Rice ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? gpg id: EF9AAD20 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 15:15:39 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:15:39 -0400 Subject: need a good way to determine the OS from a BASH script In-Reply-To: References: <201103221103.31136.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <4D88BD1B.9060009@alteeve.com> On 03/22/2011 11:07 AM, Vic Gedris wrote: > "uname" is your friend for this. > > $ uname > Linux > > $ uname > SunOS > > ..etc.. Not sure what it reports for MacOS... OS X returns the name of the OS X release (ie: Darwin), and no /etc/issue exists. Look into /etc/lsb_release (man 1 lsb_release). -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 15:22:26 2011 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:22:26 -0400 Subject: Grokking Debian Message-ID: <67F5449E-7C91-457D-9CA4-E6C1C2A270FC@sarg.ryerson.ca> I've been programming for 40 years, teaching Computer Science for 30, doing Linux sysadmin since the early Slackware days (call it 15 years) and Unix admin for 10 years before that, but Debian continues to frustrate me, although I'm convinced it's "the right thing". My current challenge: I have the following sources.list: deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main deb-src http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian-multimedia/ squeeze main deb-src http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian-multimedia/ squeeze main apt-get update gives no errors, 13 Get lines, and this page, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/v4l-utils , describes the availability of v4l-utils in squeeze. But: : ~ ; sudo apt-get install v4l-utils Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package v4l-utils is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package 'v4l-utils' has no installation candidate *What* am I doing wrong? *sigh* ../Dave-- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 15:36:33 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:36:33 -0400 Subject: Grokking Debian In-Reply-To: <67F5449E-7C91-457D-9CA4-E6C1C2A270FC-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <67F5449E-7C91-457D-9CA4-E6C1C2A270FC@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: i ran into something similar for another set of packages, and the issue was just the naming, that is it was referred to as one name for the deps, but another for the apt-get install (but in the end same package), it may be the issue in your case. do a "apt-cache search" on key words of package. tl On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Dave Mason wrote: > I've been programming for 40 years, teaching Computer Science for 30, doing Linux sysadmin since the early Slackware days (call it 15 years) and Unix admin for 10 years before that, but Debian continues to frustrate me, although I'm convinced it's "the right thing". > > My current challenge: I have the following sources.list: > > deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main > deb-src http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main > deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main > deb http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian-multimedia/ squeeze main > deb-src http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian-multimedia/ squeeze main > > apt-get update gives no errors, 13 Get lines, > > and this page, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/v4l-utils , describes the availability of v4l-utils in squeeze. > > But: > > : ~ ; sudo apt-get install v4l-utils > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Package v4l-utils is not available, but is referred to by another package. > This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or > is only available from another source > > E: Package 'v4l-utils' has no installation candidate > > *What* am I doing wrong? > > *sigh* > > ../Dave-- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 15:44:13 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: need a good way to determine the OS from a BASH script In-Reply-To: References: <201103221103.31136.icanprogram@295.ca> <4D88BAF3.8040704@alteeve.com> Message-ID: | From: G. Matthew Rice | On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Digimer wrote: | >> Ideally I'd like to be able to detect that I'm about to compile on the MAC | >> inside the Makefile (or at least in the install script). ? ?Any ideas on how | >> one could reliably detect a Linux OS as opposed to a Mac OS? | >> | >> Thanks in advance for your help. | > | > Though it's not technically it's purpose; I've had good luck checking | > /etc/issue for distro name and version info. | | I have to agree here. /etc/issue has also been the most reliable way | to detect the linux distro. | | Also, it maybe time to start looking at tools like autoconf. (I'm talking about C or C++.) testing for OS version is a horribly fragile technique Having to configure your code is something to be avoided as much as possible. Sometimes that means not exploiting every feature of a platform. Autoconf is an giant ugly tool. It seems to relish handling all variations rather than avoiding the issues. #ifdefs make code much harder to test and much harder to understand. All config stuff like that ought to be very carefully modularized: #ifdef platform" should appear at most once in the source code if at all Feature-selection macros should be invented if necessary to mediate between platform selection and feature selection. The compiler's -D flag allows you to move feature selection out of the source code and into the makefile(s). I'm not familiar with the SHM stuff. What does POSIX say? Often, if POSIX offers alternatives, it allows programs to test which alternative applies. From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 16:44:32 2011 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:44:32 -0400 Subject: Odd networking problem In-Reply-To: <20110322021731.GA2329@amber> References: <20110319032233.GA25573@amber> <20110322021731.GA2329@amber> Message-ID: Does wireless connectivity work properly? Have you checked into frame sizes? Possibly jumbo frames are enabled somewhere... Grasping at straws, but it came to mind. -jason On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Peter King wrote: > Thanks to one and all for the suggestions. Still no joy. > > The installation of OS X on a netbook is indeed a hack, but it had been > running smoothly with no problems for over three months before developing > network, umm, issues. > > Tried sudo arp -a and allowing OS X to repopulate: no good, OS X did not > see the router no matter what. Likewise, the router did not "see" the > netbook, at the software level. It *did* correctly detect a link running > at the correct speed, but no more than that. > > The hardware is fine: the ethernet and router talk to one another just fine > if I boot the netbook with Linux (sysresccd on a usb stick). Other > computers > connect just fine to the router, and the cable works with them. So it's > some > little configuration detail in OS X that's gotten wedged, and OS X does not > in general allow or encourage you to unwedge things. Not using it myself (I > only maintain/troubleshoot for my family), I don't know the answer. Very > puzzling. > > -- > Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > Department of Philosophy > 170 St. George Street #521 > The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc > Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 > CANADA > > http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ > > ========================================================================= > GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 16:55:27 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:55:27 -0400 Subject: External USB Blu-Ray drives under Linux? In-Reply-To: <20110319130353.GA8254-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110319130353.GA8254@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110322165527.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 09:03:53AM -0400, William Park wrote: > I'm sure you did the math... but, isn't 3TB harddisk cheaper? You get > those external dock, and swap the harddisk like you currently do with > DVD. Much. Optical media is simply too expensive these days compared to megnetic disks. $2 for a 25GB blueray disc in bulk. Read-only. Rewritable ups the price to about $15 per 25GB disc. 2TB WD green is $80. So at 80 times the size of a blueray disc, it costs 40 times as much and is much simpler to use, faster too, and works with any OS and is rewritable. That's assuming the blueray drive is free, which of course it isn't, although it isn't that expensive either. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 16:56:53 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:56:53 -0400 Subject: External USB Blu-Ray drives under Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <20110319130353.GA8254@node1.opengeometry.net> <77dd4ebf35fe067aeabde775a807c44e.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20110322165653.GR347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:12:47AM -0400, ted leslie wrote: > bluray not reliable? so you need far more then 100year retention? what > are you doing that needs that? > I still have cd's from '88 that are good , and some that are totally > screwed, but I believe a good disc like a panny BD > could get 100years of life even in poor storage env. A 50gb BD will > also be 0.50 in time (couple of years), but then they have > 300gb ones on the way to (so have to buy a new drive), but BD is > likely to be a standard for reading for a while, i.e. > CD will probably have a production life of 40-50years, so i could see > BD devices still sold in 2040+. (or at least will read BD, and 1tb BD > or whatever as > time goes on). The lifespan of a stamped disc is not the same as the lifetime of a recordable disc with dye in it. So your 1988 CD is fine, but is a CD-R of the same age fine? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 17:04:58 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:04:58 -0400 Subject: Grokking Debian In-Reply-To: <67F5449E-7C91-457D-9CA4-E6C1C2A270FC-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <67F5449E-7C91-457D-9CA4-E6C1C2A270FC@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20110322170458.GS347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:22:26AM -0400, Dave Mason wrote: > I've been programming for 40 years, teaching Computer Science for 30, doing Linux sysadmin since the early Slackware days (call it 15 years) and Unix admin for 10 years before that, but Debian continues to frustrate me, although I'm convinced it's "the right thing". > > My current challenge: I have the following sources.list: > > deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main > deb-src http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main > deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main > deb http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian-multimedia/ squeeze main > deb-src http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian-multimedia/ squeeze main > > apt-get update gives no errors, 13 Get lines, > > and this page, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/v4l-utils , describes the availability of v4l-utils in squeeze. > > But: > > : ~ ; sudo apt-get install v4l-utils > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Package v4l-utils is not available, but is referred to by another package. > This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or > is only available from another source > > E: Package 'v4l-utils' has no installation candidate > > *What* am I doing wrong? Works when I try it on a machine running squeeze here. I must admit I avoid ftp.ca.debian.org since at least one machine in that DNS rotation is often broken, out of date and/or missing stuff. I do also tend to turn on contrib and non-free, but that should not be necesary in this case. What you are doing should be working. What about doing this: grep 'Package: v4l-utils' /var/lib/apt/lists/* You should see something like: rceng03:~# grep 'Package: v4l-utils' /var/lib/apt/lists/* /var/lib/apt/lists/rceng02.eng.lan_debian_dists_squeeze_main_binary-powerpc_Packages:Package: v4l-utils /var/lib/apt/lists/rceng02.eng.lan_debian_dists_squeeze_main_source_Sources:Package: v4l-utils Of course your server name and architecture will be different. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 17:06:18 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:06:18 -0400 Subject: need a good way to determine the OS from a BASH script In-Reply-To: <4D88BD1B.9060009-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <201103221103.31136.icanprogram@295.ca> <4D88BD1B.9060009@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20110322170618.GT347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:15:39AM -0400, Digimer wrote: > On 03/22/2011 11:07 AM, Vic Gedris wrote: > > "uname" is your friend for this. > > > > $ uname > > Linux > > > > $ uname > > SunOS > > > > ..etc.. Not sure what it reports for MacOS... > > OS X returns the name of the OS X release (ie: Darwin), and no > /etc/issue exists. Look into /etc/lsb_release (man 1 lsb_release). How about uname -s or uname -o? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 17:11:03 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:11:03 -0400 Subject: need a good way to determine the OS from a BASH script In-Reply-To: <20110322170618.GT347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <201103221103.31136.icanprogram@295.ca> <4D88BD1B.9060009@alteeve.com> <20110322170618.GT347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110322171103.GU347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 01:06:18PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:15:39AM -0400, Digimer wrote: > > On 03/22/2011 11:07 AM, Vic Gedris wrote: > > > "uname" is your friend for this. > > > > > > $ uname > > > Linux > > > > > > $ uname > > > SunOS > > > > > > ..etc.. Not sure what it reports for MacOS... > > > > OS X returns the name of the OS X release (ie: Darwin), and no > > /etc/issue exists. Look into /etc/lsb_release (man 1 lsb_release). > > How about uname -s or uname -o? Or better yet: cat /dev/null | cpp -dM On linux you see something like: #define linux 1 I am sure Mac OS X defines something similar. Also Darwin is the name of the Mac OS X kernel, not a release. All Mac OS X releases use a kernel named Darwin. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 17:21:41 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:21:41 -0400 Subject: SATA problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Christopher On 22 March 2011 02:58, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Christopher Browne > > | I was wanting to add a couple extra drives to one of my systems, and > | apparently picked up the wrong sort of SATA controller. ?Docs out on > | the "interweb" are a bit less up to date than seems useful. > > What documentation did you use? > > I've heard, but I don't know from where, to avoid VIA. ?Maybe Lennart. > Maybe that was about firewire. > Please use software RAID, its far more reliable and is barely a load to mordern CPU. I have read that at most, it can barely use 2% of the host CPU. That and the high reliability mean you should not even consider cheap RAID card as they will fail sooner than later as Hugh just mentioned William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 17:29:33 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:29:33 -0400 Subject: SATA problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110322172933.GV347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 09:30:36PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > I was wanting to add a couple extra drives to one of my systems, and > apparently picked up the wrong sort of SATA controller. Docs out on > the "interweb" are a bit less up to date than seems useful. > > I grabbed a Bytecc generic card: > > > This is using a VIA 6421 chipset, which seems supported as part of the > "sata_via" driver, but it doesn't recognize my drives. That seems > vaguely consistent with this: > > > Is there some particular cheap-ish controller I ought to go looking for? For PCI express, JMC controllers are nice since they are AHCI compliant. For PCI it's a bit trickier. > FYI, here's current kernel info... > wolfe:~# uname -a > Linux wolfe 2.6.30-2-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 7 05:21:45 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux > Perhaps I need to update to a rather newer kernel... It seems that at least at this time, the via 6421 does not work with WD drives under linux. Reminds me a bit of Sil 3112A not working with early seagate SATA drives either (although in that case it was Seagate's fault). http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=19_252_254&item_id=008587 is a Sil based card. Still only SATA I, but it should work with anything other than seagate (and probably many newer seagate drives too, although why you would want those I can't imagine). I haven't had a problem with Sil based cards under linux so far, although these days I go for AHCI controllers myself. http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=19_252_254&item_id=028984 looks even better. Sil3114 controller. Of course still only original SATA speeds. Promise used to make some PCI SATA II cards that worked with Linux, but I don't know if they are made any more. Basicly, PCI is dead. Get used to it. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 17:30:23 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:30:23 -0400 Subject: need a good way to determine the OS from a BASH script In-Reply-To: <20110322171103.GU347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <201103221103.31136.icanprogram@295.ca> <4D88BD1B.9060009@alteeve.com> <20110322170618.GT347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110322171103.GU347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D88DCAF.8080707@alteeve.com> On 03/22/2011 01:11 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 01:06:18PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:15:39AM -0400, Digimer wrote: >>> On 03/22/2011 11:07 AM, Vic Gedris wrote: >>>> "uname" is your friend for this. >>>> >>>> $ uname >>>> Linux >>>> >>>> $ uname >>>> SunOS >>>> >>>> ..etc.. Not sure what it reports for MacOS... >>> >>> OS X returns the name of the OS X release (ie: Darwin), and no >>> /etc/issue exists. Look into /etc/lsb_release (man 1 lsb_release). >> >> How about uname -s or uname -o? > > Or better yet: > > cat /dev/null | cpp -dM > > On linux you see something like: > > #define linux 1 > > I am sure Mac OS X defines something similar. > > Also Darwin is the name of the Mac OS X kernel, not a release. All Mac > OS X releases use a kernel named Darwin. Good to know. I don't have an Apple myself, so I'd asked a friend to get those answers. Thanks for clarifying. -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 17:31:37 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:31:37 -0400 Subject: SATA problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110322173137.GW347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 02:58:05AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > What documentation did you use? > > I've heard, but I don't know from where, to avoid VIA. Maybe Lennart. > Maybe that was about firewire. Actually they are OK for firewire. They do seem to have some SATA issues though. > Here's a useful resource: > > But maybe that is what you found to be out of date. > > Decent SATA controllers use PCIe because PCI isn't fast enough. > Cheap PCI controllers are usually 150 MB/s, not "SATA 2.0". > Sata I / 150 MB/s is probably fine for most applications > > There are features you may want. These may include: > > - Port Multiplier support (yesterday I wanted to buy a cheap JBOD box for my > Acer Revo but found that the ION SATA controller doesn't support > Port Multiplication) > > - hot plugging > > - AHCI > > - eSATA > > What I've used on a PCI bus were inexpensive cards based on Silicon > Image chips. Yep. VIA and Sil are about the only ones that are PCI. JMC and others that are AHCI are all PCIe it seems. I have used a number of JMC363 cards so far, and they work great. > - one was from Canada Computers (actually XpressCanada.com, their slightly > cheaper mail-order arm): > > > - One was from NewEgg (now out of stock) > -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 17:32:28 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:32:28 -0400 Subject: SATA problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110322173228.GX347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 01:21:41PM -0400, William Muriithi wrote: > Christopher > > > On 22 March 2011 02:58, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > | From: Christopher Browne > > > > | I was wanting to add a couple extra drives to one of my systems, and > > | apparently picked up the wrong sort of SATA controller. ?Docs out on > > | the "interweb" are a bit less up to date than seems useful. > > > > What documentation did you use? > > > > I've heard, but I don't know from where, to avoid VIA. ?Maybe Lennart. > > Maybe that was about firewire. > > > > Please use software RAID, its far more reliable and is barely a load > to mordern CPU. I have read that at most, it can barely use 2% of the > host CPU. That and the high reliability mean you should not even > consider cheap RAID card as they will fail sooner than later as Hugh > just mentioned Who mentioned RAID? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 17:34:54 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:34:54 -0400 Subject: SATA problem In-Reply-To: <20110322173228.GX347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110322173228.GX347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 22 March 2011 13:32, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 01:21:41PM -0400, William Muriithi wrote: >> Christopher >> >> >> On 22 March 2011 02:58, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> > | From: Christopher Browne >> > >> > | I was wanting to add a couple extra drives to one of my systems, and >> > | apparently picked up the wrong sort of SATA controller. ?Docs out on >> > | the "interweb" are a bit less up to date than seems useful. >> > >> > What documentation did you use? >> > >> > I've heard, but I don't know from where, to avoid VIA. ?Maybe Lennart. >> > Maybe that was about firewire. >> > >> >> Please use software RAID, its far more reliable and is barely a load >> to mordern CPU. ?I have read that at most, it can barely use 2% of the >> host CPU. ?That and the high reliability mean you should not even >> consider cheap RAID card as they will fail sooner than later as Hugh >> just mentioned > > Who mentioned RAID? > Pardon me on this. I misread the email. May be I am still half asleep an need more coffee William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 18:37:23 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:37:23 -0400 Subject: Vim vs Emacs In-Reply-To: References: <20110321235726.c26452b6.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: Well, at least emacs can't be blamed for the source code leak at Tumblr: http://www.metafilter.com/101732/Code-Cowboys (and really, it's not really vi that's the problem there; lack of staging and source code control is the real one. But lolvi blame is easier to assign.) Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 18:45:33 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:45:33 -0400 Subject: SATA problem In-Reply-To: References: <20110322173228.GX347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110322184533.GY347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 01:34:54PM -0400, William Muriithi wrote: > Pardon me on this. I misread the email. May be I am still half > asleep an need more coffee Ah the solution to everything. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 18:47:00 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:47:00 -0400 Subject: Vim vs Emacs In-Reply-To: <20110321171941.GA11750-Yo2lbq6wgFLzJdrd7FKUVe5l36ES5KHxUqY348UjxtX3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20110321171941.GA11750@triltoucheee.wireless.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20110322184700.GZ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 01:20:39PM -0400, Peter John Hartman wrote: > I guess us joe users are clean shaven. Or just an irrelevant minority. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 18:51:18 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:51:18 -0400 Subject: Odd networking problem In-Reply-To: References: <20110319032233.GA25573@amber> <20110322021731.GA2329@amber> Message-ID: Peter, > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Peter King wrote: >> >> Thanks to one and all for the suggestions. Still no joy. >> >> The installation of OS X on a netbook is indeed a hack, but it had been >> running smoothly with no problems for over three months before developing >> network, umm, issues. Ah, I see. I now get it. You are forcing OSX on unsupported hardware. This is most likely a driver's issue or the network stack is broken somewhere. Its most likely the later if you can not connect using the wireless card either. May be you should abandon OSX and keep on using Linux. Never tried using OSX on unsupported hardware, I basically do not feel its worth the effort William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 18:56:34 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:56:34 -0400 Subject: SATA problem In-Reply-To: <20110322184533.GY347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110322173228.GX347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110322184533.GY347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 01:34:54PM -0400, William Muriithi wrote: >> Pardon me on this. ?I misread the email. ?May be I am still half >> asleep an need more coffee > > Ah the solution to everything. :) I had *way* too much blood in my caffeine circulation system this morning. (Fasting for blood work.) Thanks so much, Lennart, for pointing out some better options. I'm not sure I was explicit, but yes, indeed, the motherboard is PCI, rather than PCI-Express, so those two cards you suggested sure seem like the better choices. It's tempting to jump to PCI-Express, but that requires that I buy a bunch more new stuff, which I prefer not to do just now. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 19:36:40 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:36:40 -0400 Subject: Odd networking problem In-Reply-To: <20110319032233.GA25573@amber> References: <20110319032233.GA25573@amber> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Peter King wrote: > Here's one for the experts. > > I have a netbook running OS X. Unfortunately, I'm not sure we're the "hackintosh" experts you need. If it's a generic networking problem that lives outside the machine, then maybehaps. If, on the other hand, the Darwin kernel is being pressed to connect to hardware that Apple didn't write it to know how to use, well, that's a matter that might need to be referred to folks at Apple, who mayn't be very enthusiastic about working on supporting hardware that they didn't intend to support. I think there's a fair risk of this latter :-(. I don't think you can realistically expect to get "seamless clean Apple support" unless you're using their hardware. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 19:54:26 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SATA problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <537853.33561.qm@web113411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- > From: Christopher Browne > To: GTALUG > Sent: Mon, March 21, 2011 9:30:36 PM > Subject: [TLUG]: SATA problem > > I was wanting to add a couple extra drives to one of my systems, and > apparently picked up the wrong sort of SATA controller. Docs out on > the "interweb" are a bit less up to date than seems useful. > > I grabbed a Bytecc generic card: > > > This is using a VIA 6421 chipset, which seems supported as part of the > "sata_via" driver, but it doesn't recognize my drives. That seems > vaguely consistent with this: > > > Is there some particular cheap-ish controller I ought to go looking for? > > FYI, here's current kernel info... > wolfe:~# uname -a > Linux wolfe 2.6.30-2-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 7 05:21:45 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux > Perhaps I need to update to a rather newer kernel... I have which is 2 items down from what you bought. It's PCI-Ex1 Silicon Image 3132, and I have no problem with it under Linux. But, Windows 7 doesn't recognize it, so I have to load its driver from USB key. Yours is PCI. Probably, no developer has such card, so no drivers. :-) Maybe it's just matter of adding vendor/device ID to the source and re-compile. Try another card with Silicon Image chipset. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 20:15:38 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:15:38 -0400 Subject: Odd networking problem In-Reply-To: References: <20110319032233.GA25573@amber> <20110322021731.GA2329@amber> Message-ID: <20110322201538.GB10127@amber> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 02:51:18PM -0400, William Muriithi wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Peter King wrote: > >> > >> Thanks to one and all for the suggestions. Still no joy. > >> > >> The installation of OS X on a netbook is indeed a hack, but it had been > >> running smoothly with no problems for over three months before developing > >> network, umm, issues. > > Ah, I see. I now get it. You are forcing OSX on unsupported > hardware. This is most likely a driver's issue or the network stack > is broken somewhere. Its most likely the later if you can not connect > using the wireless card either. > > May be you should abandon OSX and keep on using Linux. Never tried > using OSX on unsupported hardware, I basically do not feel its worth > the effort Ahh... where's your geek spirit? It's fun to make things work on new hardware. The wireless works perfectly, so the network stack isn't broken. Perhaps the ethernet driver is broken/corrupted, though reinstallation of the driver does not solve the problem, which is why I suspect it's a configuration issue. It may well not be. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 22 23:42:44 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:42:44 -0400 Subject: [OT] Linda McQuaig on Bill Gates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D8933F4.2090906@rogers.com> On 11-03-22 07:35 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > I've been reading The Trouble with Billionaires by Linda McQuaig and > she includes a section on Bill Gates. I had never read any of the > history of Bill Gates and CP/M and Gary Kildall. Definitely a story > worth looking up, I can't believe how much of Bill Gates' success is > based on the work of others. Pretty much _all_ of it. According to > McQuaig, under todays copyright and patent rules, Gates would have had > a very different experience. Has Microsoft ever been innovative? Once you get past the paper clip, Bob, and the blue screen of death, it is pretty tough to credit Microsoft with any innovation at all. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 00:08:21 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:08:21 -0400 Subject: [OT] Linda McQuaig on Bill Gates In-Reply-To: <4D8933F4.2090906-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D8933F4.2090906@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Stephen wrote: > On 11-03-22 07:35 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: >> >> I've been reading The Trouble with Billionaires by Linda McQuaig and >> she includes a section on Bill Gates. I had never read any of the >> history of Bill Gates and CP/M and Gary Kildall. Definitely a story >> worth looking up, I can't believe how much of Bill Gates' success is >> based on the work of others. Pretty much _all_ of it. According to >> McQuaig, under todays copyright and patent rules, Gates would have had >> a very different experience. > > Has Microsoft ever been innovative? > > Once you get past the paper clip, Bob, and the blue screen of death, it is > pretty tough to credit Microsoft with any innovation at all. > Exactly, I knew he had been accused of being a thief, but I had no idea how far back it went. From day one his is a story of privilege and luck. He even went to what was probably the first school in the world that had its own PC...his hand was held every step of the way by his mommy and her connections. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 00:18:55 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:18:55 -0400 Subject: [OT] Linda McQuaig on Bill Gates In-Reply-To: References: <4D8933F4.2090906@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4D893C6F.3000907@rogers.com> Thomas Milne wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Stephen wrote: > >> On 11-03-22 07:35 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: >> >>> I've been reading The Trouble with Billionaires by Linda McQuaig and >>> she includes a section on Bill Gates. I had never read any of the >>> history of Bill Gates and CP/M and Gary Kildall. Definitely a story >>> worth looking up, I can't believe how much of Bill Gates' success is >>> based on the work of others. Pretty much _all_ of it. According to >>> McQuaig, under todays copyright and patent rules, Gates would have had >>> a very different experience. >>> >> Has Microsoft ever been innovative? >> >> Once you get past the paper clip, Bob, and the blue screen of death, it is >> pretty tough to credit Microsoft with any innovation at all. >> >> > Exactly, I knew he had been accused of being a thief, but I had no > idea how far back it went. From day one his is a story of privilege > and luck. He even went to what was probably the first school in the > world that had its own PC...his hand was held every step of the way by > his mommy and her connections. > > Did she mention how he used the Harvard computers to develop BASIC for the Altair 8800, even though those computers were not supposed to be used for commercial purposes? Or how he used to dumpster dive for code written by others. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 00:24:41 2011 From: gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Eric Battersby) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: sympatico's SMTP server changed: need a new work-around In-Reply-To: References: <4D8245E8.4060402@gmail.com> <1300396780.1828.2.camel@jimslaptop> <33367.65.94.206.112.1300488576.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org > > | > I just sent an email via Sympatico from a non-Sympatico email address on > | > smtp10.bellnet.ca and it worked . > | > | Thanks!!! > | > | That works for me and my Wife! (for the short term anyway.) :) > > Thanks to jim : that worked for us too. I don't usually send mail thru Sympatico, but when I tested it, it failed. So, I also switched my SMTP server from smtp1.sympatico.ca to smtp10.bellnet.ca . What is your plan when smtp10.bellnet.ca fails in the future? -- Eric Battersby. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 00:34:12 2011 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:34:12 -0400 Subject: [OT] Linda McQuaig on Bill Gates In-Reply-To: <4D893C6F.3000907-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D8933F4.2090906@rogers.com> <4D893C6F.3000907@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4D894004.6050705@dinamis.com> On 03/22/2011 08:18 PM, James Knott wrote: > Thomas Milne wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Stephen wrote: >>> On 11-03-22 07:35 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: >>>> I've been reading The Trouble with Billionaires by Linda McQuaig and >>>> she includes a section on Bill Gates. I had never read any of the >>>> history of Bill Gates and CP/M and Gary Kildall. Definitely a story >>>> worth looking up, I can't believe how much of Bill Gates' success is >>>> based on the work of others. Pretty much _all_ of it. According to >>>> McQuaig, under todays copyright and patent rules, Gates would have had >>>> a very different experience. >>> Has Microsoft ever been innovative? >>> >>> Once you get past the paper clip, Bob, and the blue screen of death, >>> it is >>> pretty tough to credit Microsoft with any innovation at all. >>> >> Exactly, I knew he had been accused of being a thief, but I had no >> idea how far back it went. From day one his is a story of privilege >> and luck. He even went to what was probably the first school in the >> world that had its own PC...his hand was held every step of the way by >> his mommy and her connections. >> > Did she mention how he used the Harvard computers to develop BASIC for > the Altair 8800, even though those computers were not supposed to be > used for commercial purposes? Or how he used to dumpster dive for code > written by others. I also heard that he tore the labels off mattresses, jaywalked, and mixed colours with whites in the wash. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 00:43:59 2011 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:43:59 -0400 Subject: sympatico's SMTP server changed: need a new work-around In-Reply-To: References: <4D8245E8.4060402@gmail.com> <1300396780.1828.2.camel@jimslaptop> <33367.65.94.206.112.1300488576.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4D89424F.3080607@alteeve.com> Eric Battersby wrote: > > What is your plan when smtp10.bellnet.ca fails in the future? > I'm thinking TekSavvy! Hopefully before that happens. Lance -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 01:08:48 2011 From: gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Eric Battersby) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: need a good way to determine the OS from a BASH script In-Reply-To: <4D88BAF3.8040704-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <201103221103.31136.icanprogram@295.ca> <4D88BAF3.8040704@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Mar 2011, Digimer wrote: > On 03/22/2011 12:03 PM, bob 295 wrote: > > I'm in the process of debugging a Mac version of my SIMPL open source toolkit. > > With the GNU tools installed on the Mac the SIMPL toolkit compiles straight > > up without any conditional compilation ifdefs. However, I've encountered > > an issue with the shmctl() function. Linux allows a process to shmat() > > even if the segment was previously marked for destruction. The Mac does > > not. The reason for marking immediately after creation is to prevent shared > > memory leaks in cases of aborted processes. As a result of this difference > > I'm going to have to introduce a conditional compile ifdef for the MACOSX. > > > > Ideally I'd like to be able to detect that I'm about to compile on the MAC > > inside the Makefile (or at least in the install script). Any ideas on how > > one could reliably detect a Linux OS as opposed to a Mac OS? > > > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > > > bob > > Though it's not technically it's purpose; I've had good luck checking > /etc/issue for distro name and version info. Unless you need the minor distro release number, how is that better than 'uname -a' and then parsing the output, specifically the first and third fields, especially if you want maximum Unix/Linux portability? Does anyone know what Mac OS returns from 'uname -a'? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 01:09:49 2011 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:09:49 -0400 Subject: sympatico's SMTP server changed: need a new work-around In-Reply-To: <4D89424F.3080607-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4D8245E8.4060402@gmail.com> <1300396780.1828.2.camel@jimslaptop> <33367.65.94.206.112.1300488576.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <4D89424F.3080607@alteeve.com> Message-ID: I was just introduced to http://www.authsmtp.com/ who offer a reasonably priced outgoing mail service so that you don't have to worry about this sort of thing. Or at least you have to worry less anyhow. -jason On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Lance F. Squire wrote: > Eric Battersby wrote: > >> >> What is your plan when smtp10.bellnet.ca fails in the future? >> >> > I'm thinking TekSavvy! > > Hopefully before that happens. > > Lance > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 01:11:53 2011 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:11:53 -0400 Subject: need a good way to determine the OS from a BASH script In-Reply-To: References: <201103221103.31136.icanprogram@295.ca> <4D88BAF3.8040704@alteeve.com> Message-ID: My macbook gives the following: jshaw at minion:~$ uname -a Darwin minion.local 10.6.0 Darwin Kernel Version 10.6.0: Wed Nov 10 18:13:17 PST 2010; root:xnu-1504.9.26~3/RELEASE_I386 i386 -jason On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Eric Battersby wrote: > On Tue, 22 Mar 2011, Digimer wrote: > > > On 03/22/2011 12:03 PM, bob 295 wrote: > > > I'm in the process of debugging a Mac version of my SIMPL open source > toolkit. > > > With the GNU tools installed on the Mac the SIMPL toolkit compiles > straight > > > up without any conditional compilation ifdefs. However, I've > encountered > > > an issue with the shmctl() function. Linux allows a process to > shmat() > > > even if the segment was previously marked for destruction. The Mac > does > > > not. The reason for marking immediately after creation is to prevent > shared > > > memory leaks in cases of aborted processes. As a result of this > difference > > > I'm going to have to introduce a conditional compile ifdef for the > MACOSX. > > > > > > Ideally I'd like to be able to detect that I'm about to compile on the > MAC > > > inside the Makefile (or at least in the install script). Any ideas > on how > > > one could reliably detect a Linux OS as opposed to a Mac OS? > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > > > > > bob > > > > Though it's not technically it's purpose; I've had good luck checking > > /etc/issue for distro name and version info. > > Unless you need the minor distro release number, > how is that better than 'uname -a' and then parsing the output, > specifically the first and third fields, especially if you > want maximum Unix/Linux portability? > > Does anyone know what Mac OS returns from 'uname -a'? > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 01:34:32 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:34:32 -0400 Subject: [OT] Linda McQuaig on Bill Gates In-Reply-To: <4D893C6F.3000907-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D8933F4.2090906@rogers.com> <4D893C6F.3000907@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 8:18 PM, James Knott wrote: > Thomas Milne wrote: >> >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Stephen ?wrote: >> >>> >>> On 11-03-22 07:35 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I've been reading The Trouble with Billionaires by Linda McQuaig and >>>> she includes a section on Bill Gates. I had never read any of the >>>> history of Bill Gates and CP/M and Gary Kildall. Definitely a story >>>> worth looking up, I can't believe how much of Bill Gates' success is >>>> based on the work of others. Pretty much _all_ of it. According to >>>> McQuaig, under todays copyright and patent rules, Gates would have had >>>> a very different experience. >>>> >>> >>> Has Microsoft ever been innovative? >>> >>> Once you get past the paper clip, Bob, and the blue screen of death, it >>> is >>> pretty tough to credit Microsoft with any innovation at all. >>> >>> >> >> Exactly, I knew he had been accused of being a thief, but I had no >> idea how far back it went. From day one his is a story of privilege >> and luck. He even went to what was probably the first school in the >> world that had its own PC...his hand was held every step of the way by >> his mommy and her connections. >> >> > > Did she mention how he used the Harvard computers to develop BASIC for the > Altair 8800, even though those computers were not supposed to be used for > commercial purposes? ?Or how he used to dumpster dive for code written by > others. > She did not get that specific, but she made a point that he based a lot of his work on machines like those at Harvard that came from public funding. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 01:43:26 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:43:26 -0400 Subject: sympatico's SMTP server changed: need a new work-around In-Reply-To: <4D89424F.3080607-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4D8245E8.4060402@gmail.com> <1300396780.1828.2.camel@jimslaptop> <33367.65.94.206.112.1300488576.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> <4D89424F.3080607@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20110323014326.GA4088@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 08:43:59PM -0400, Lance F. Squire wrote: > Eric Battersby wrote: > > > >What is your plan when smtp10.bellnet.ca fails in the future? > > > > I'm thinking TekSavvy! > > Hopefully before that happens. But, only if you pay for "hosting" package. I'm with Teksavvy Cable Internet right now (they go through Rogers). I wasn't given any SMTP server, email account, or webspace. Just 10Mbps, 200GB/month. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 01:47:19 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:47:19 -0400 Subject: [OT] Linda McQuaig on Bill Gates In-Reply-To: <4D894004.6050705-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4D8933F4.2090906@rogers.com> <4D893C6F.3000907@rogers.com> <4D894004.6050705@dinamis.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 8:34 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 03/22/2011 08:18 PM, James Knott wrote: >> >> Thomas Milne wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Stephen wrote: >>>> >>>> On 11-03-22 07:35 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I've been reading The Trouble with Billionaires by Linda McQuaig and >>>>> she includes a section on Bill Gates. I had never read any of the >>>>> history of Bill Gates and CP/M and Gary Kildall. Definitely a story >>>>> worth looking up, I can't believe how much of Bill Gates' success is >>>>> based on the work of others. Pretty much _all_ of it. According to >>>>> McQuaig, under todays copyright and patent rules, Gates would have had >>>>> a very different experience. >>>> >>>> Has Microsoft ever been innovative? >>>> >>>> Once you get past the paper clip, Bob, and the blue screen of death, >>>> it is >>>> pretty tough to credit Microsoft with any innovation at all. >>>> >>> Exactly, I knew he had been accused of being a thief, but I had no >>> idea how far back it went. From day one his is a story of privilege >>> and luck. He even went to what was probably the first school in the >>> world that had its own PC...his hand was held every step of the way by >>> his mommy and her connections. >>> >> Did she mention how he used the Harvard computers to develop BASIC for >> the Altair 8800, even though those computers were not supposed to be >> used for commercial purposes? Or how he used to dumpster dive for code >> written by others. > > I also heard that he tore the labels off mattresses, jaywalked, and mixed > colours with whites in the wash. Okay, he never murdered anyone...but the billions of dollars that he has amassed and hero status are not deserved, which is the point of all this. He cannot claim to be a 'self-made man' or that he was the progenitor of the home PC revolution. I've never put much stock in the whole 'great man' theory of history anyway. Even someone like Einstein had to base his ideas on the thousands of years of scientific progress before him. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 02:29:37 2011 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:29:37 -0400 Subject: need a good way to determine the OS from a BASH script In-Reply-To: <201103221103.31136.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <201103221103.31136.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <9937567967151c0ecdeeeb159e9c3ad2.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Dunno if this is useful, but Tcl has a command (TclPlatorm, maybe?) that you can use to detect the OS. We use that to select the I/0 routines in our software. Peter > I'm in the process of debugging a Mac version of my SIMPL open source > toolkit. > With the GNU tools installed on the Mac the SIMPL toolkit compiles > straight > up without any conditional compilation ifdefs. However, I've > encountered > an issue with the shmctl() function. Linux allows a process to shmat() > even if the segment was previously marked for destruction. The Mac does > not. The reason for marking immediately after creation is to prevent > shared > memory leaks in cases of aborted processes. As a result of this > difference > I'm going to have to introduce a conditional compile ifdef for the MACOSX. > > Ideally I'd like to be able to detect that I'm about to compile on the MAC > inside the Makefile (or at least in the install script). Any ideas on > how > one could reliably detect a Linux OS as opposed to a Mac OS? > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > bob > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 03:05:59 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:05:59 -0400 Subject: [OT] Linda McQuaig on Bill Gates In-Reply-To: References: <4D8933F4.2090906@rogers.com> <4D893C6F.3000907@rogers.com> <4D894004.6050705@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <4D896397.6020802@utoronto.ca> On 3/22/2011 9:47 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 8:34 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY > wrote: >> I also heard that he tore the labels off mattresses, jaywalked, and >> mixed colours with whites in the wash. > > Okay, he never murdered anyone...but the billions of dollars that he > has amassed and hero status are not deserved, which is the point of > all this. He cannot claim to be a 'self-made man' or that he was the > progenitor of the home PC revolution. > > I've never put much stock in the whole 'great man' theory of history > anyway. Even someone like Einstein had to base his ideas on the > thousands of years of scientific progress before him. > Why doesn't he deserve his success? He played the game, played it well and came out on top based on the opportunities that his situation afforded him and the subsequent success of his company. None of us did that. I'd put money on most people acting the same way in a similar set of circumstances. In the end, I don't mind Microsoft, or Apple, or Oracle or company XYZ. Someone has to run the world's computers, and the more of them there are, the more of us have work to do. Of course it wouldn't hurt any of us if more systems ran Linux ;) Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From timhildred-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 03:20:27 2011 From: timhildred-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Timothy Hildred) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:20:27 +1000 Subject: [OT] Linda McQuaig on Bill Gates In-Reply-To: <4D896397.6020802-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D8933F4.2090906@rogers.com> <4D893C6F.3000907@rogers.com> <4D894004.6050705@dinamis.com> <4D896397.6020802@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: So many of the complaints sound like jealousy to me. As if it were surprising that billionaires didn't all show up with a sack of potatoes and a shoe lace to build their fortunes. Many, probably most rich people started out rich. North America is a class based society, plain and simple. The sooner everybody stops buying into the myth of a classless society of innovative entrepreneurs changing the course of history based on ingenuity and elbow grease, the sooner we will recognize our common position. A bit of a tangent, but its this myth that leads people to elect officials with policies that are actually bad for them. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On 3/22/2011 9:47 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 8:34 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY > > wrote: > >> I also heard that he tore the labels off mattresses, jaywalked, and > >> mixed colours with whites in the wash. > > > > Okay, he never murdered anyone...but the billions of dollars that he > > has amassed and hero status are not deserved, which is the point of > > all this. He cannot claim to be a 'self-made man' or that he was the > > progenitor of the home PC revolution. > > > > I've never put much stock in the whole 'great man' theory of history > > anyway. Even someone like Einstein had to base his ideas on the > > thousands of years of scientific progress before him. > > > > Why doesn't he deserve his success? He played the game, played it well > and came out on top based on the opportunities that his situation > afforded him and the subsequent success of his company. None of us did > that. I'd put money on most people acting the same way in a similar set > of circumstances. > > In the end, I don't mind Microsoft, or Apple, or Oracle or company XYZ. > Someone has to run the world's computers, and the more of them there > are, the more of us have work to do. Of course it wouldn't hurt any of > us if more systems ran Linux ;) > > Jamon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 03:58:02 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:58:02 -0400 Subject: [OT] Linda McQuaig on Bill Gates In-Reply-To: References: <4D8933F4.2090906@rogers.com> <4D893C6F.3000907@rogers.com> <4D894004.6050705@dinamis.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 8:34 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY > wrote: >> On 03/22/2011 08:18 PM, James Knott wrote: >>> >>> Thomas Milne wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Stephen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 11-03-22 07:35 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been reading The Trouble with Billionaires by Linda McQuaig and >>>>>> she includes a section on Bill Gates. I had never read any of the >>>>>> history of Bill Gates and CP/M and Gary Kildall. Definitely a story >>>>>> worth looking up, I can't believe how much of Bill Gates' success is >>>>>> based on the work of others. Pretty much _all_ of it. According to >>>>>> McQuaig, under todays copyright and patent rules, Gates would have had >>>>>> a very different experience. >>>>> >>>>> Has Microsoft ever been innovative? >>>>> >>>>> Once you get past the paper clip, Bob, and the blue screen of death, >>>>> it is >>>>> pretty tough to credit Microsoft with any innovation at all. >>>>> >>>> Exactly, I knew he had been accused of being a thief, but I had no >>>> idea how far back it went. From day one his is a story of privilege >>>> and luck. He even went to what was probably the first school in the >>>> world that had its own PC...his hand was held every step of the way by >>>> his mommy and her connections. >>>> >>> Did she mention how he used the Harvard computers to develop BASIC for >>> the Altair 8800, even though those computers were not supposed to be >>> used for commercial purposes? Or how he used to dumpster dive for code >>> written by others. >> >> I also heard that he tore the labels off mattresses, jaywalked, and mixed >> colours with whites in the wash. > > Okay, he never murdered anyone...but the billions of dollars that he > has amassed and hero status are not deserved, which is the point of > all this. He cannot claim to be a 'self-made man' or that he was the > progenitor of the home PC revolution. I don't have an issue with say Warren Buffett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Buffett) whose fortune, amassed by very shewed investing, is almost as large as Bill Gates. I don't have any significant issues with Larry Ellison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Ellison) of Oracle database fame and who is also one of the top 5 richest people in the world. The difference between Mr. Ellison, Mr. Buffett and Mr. Gates is that while the first two can/do play HARDBALL I don't have the impression either has ever shown total open contempt of the rules to win. Microsoft is a convicted monopolist / software pirate and a firm that always seems to be using their dominance in one area to @#$% customers in other areas. > I've never put much stock in the whole 'great man' theory of history > anyway. Even someone like Einstein had to base his ideas on the > thousands of years of scientific progress before him. One of my favorite quotes from Sir Isaac Newton is "If I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of giants.". > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 05:45:42 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 01:45:42 -0400 Subject: [OT] Linda McQuaig on Bill Gates In-Reply-To: <4D896397.6020802-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D8933F4.2090906@rogers.com> <4D893C6F.3000907@rogers.com> <4D894004.6050705@dinamis.com> <4D896397.6020802@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On 3/22/2011 9:47 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 8:34 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY >> wrote: >>> I also heard that he tore the labels off mattresses, jaywalked, and >>> mixed colours with whites in the wash. >> >> Okay, he never murdered anyone...but the billions of dollars that he >> has amassed and hero status are not deserved, which is the point of >> all this. He cannot claim to be a 'self-made man' or that he was the >> progenitor of the home PC revolution. >> >> I've never put much stock in the whole 'great man' theory of history >> anyway. Even someone like Einstein had to base his ideas on the >> thousands of years of scientific progress before him. >> > > Why doesn't he deserve his success? He played the game, played it well > and came out on top based on the opportunities that his situation > afforded him and the subsequent success of his company. None of us did > that. I'd put money on most people acting the same way in a similar set > of circumstances. Well, the word deserve has to itself be defined, and that's something of a tangent I guess. It depends on what outcome you want, so if you want a stable democracy, you probably want to avoid extreme inequality. Having a system that rewards selfish behaviour as you describe (only winning matters) will inevitably lead to conflict. So in that sense 'deserve' has a function for greater good. I suppose if you reject the idea of a 'common good', then the word can have a very different meaning. > In the end, I don't mind Microsoft, or Apple, or Oracle or company XYZ. > Someone has to run the world's computers, and the more of them there > are, the more of us have work to do. Of course it wouldn't hurt any of > us if more systems ran Linux ;) > She didn't mention Linux, which disappointed me of course. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 07:15:52 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 03:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OT] Linda McQuaig on Bill Gates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Thomas Milne | I've been reading The Trouble with Billionaires by Linda McQuaig and | she includes a section on Bill Gates. What are the chances that she got the story right? She's not a techie and didn't live through those things. My take: Gates executed well, he knew how to be a monopolist, and the system was a failure for not stopping this. I don't blame Gates for taking advantage of the system, I blame the system for letting this happen. Tangent: I, along with some others, complained to the (Canadian) Competition Bureau about Microsoft roughly a decade ago. I have no idea if they cared: all investigations are confidential, even from the complainants! Nothing came of this. Talk about pathetic. One of my co-complainants was Kelly Gotlieb. I recommend his 90th birthday talk next Monday: -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 17:10:00 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: I bought an Android phone Message-ID: Why is this news? Because I'm a phone Luddite. Why did I buy it? Curiosity combined with bargain hunting. Why is this TLUG news? Because Android is built on top of the Linux kernel so there are opportunities for Linux hacking (maybe). And learning about Android is of interest to us. This deal looks extraordinarily good: (but note that I'm not an expert cellphone consumer.) - From Koodo, the Telus flanker brand - LG Optimus One handset (LG-P500h) + Android 2.2; I heard rumours of an update being promised + WiFi, bluetooth, GPS, ... + uses a SIM so I would have called it GSM but it has some other name + comes with an internal (replaceable) 2G MicroSD card + screen resolution only 320x480 - $150 for the handset, all of which can be put on "tab". Putting it on the Tab has some advantages. - If you buy online or from a Koodo store (but not from Future Shop etc.) you get $100 in a one-time-VISA card (you can spend it like a VISA card) - the tab can be either paid off OR it will be reduced by 10% of any phone bills you pay. So it declines over time. If you quit Koodo, you have to pay it all off (but it evaporates if you have a credit.) - KOODO DOESN'T LOCK YOU INTO A CONTRACT. - Koodo doesn't have "System Access Fees". - I bought their cheapest plan, $15 a month for not much service. Not even caller-id! - I chose flexible data plan: free if it isn't used, expensive if it is. For the first 10 days data is free. WiFi is free, of course. - Since you can cancel very quickly, this is a very inexpensive phone: $150 - $100 (I don't know how tax works). - bonus: if you ask a Koodo customer for a "referral" before you buy the phone, you can use that to give each of you a $25 tab credit. The credit appears after 4-6 weeks so it is probably useless if you are going to cancel quickly. Tab credits are good for (1) reducing the debit you have from buying the handset, and (2) using for future handset purchases, but not for actual phone service. - Deal ends at the end of March - apparently the phone can be unlocked and work with "normal" GSM/whatever frequencies (Bell, Telus, Roger and relabeled versions but not Wind etc.). Apparently unlocking can be had for $8 from ebay vendors (why not free?). Some say it can be used with Telus without unlocking. Now I will look around to see if other providers have a better plan that would work for this phone. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 17:25:50 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:25:50 -0400 Subject: I bought an Android phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i have been looking at smart phones to get one soon. i had settled on picking up one of the many acer liquids for sale on kijji and ebay, some from rogers cx's that went to iphones (pussies!), this deal looked interesting, but you can get a good used (even unlocked) liquid s100 with more ram and screen real estate for 160-180$, so I still think for an android buy, its the preferable phone if you are looking to spend <200$. Only bad points on liquid is low battery life (approx. one day), and not stylish looking, but aside from that, it supposed to give you power of iPhone4 and better signal strength, and of course the android experience. Plus they appear to have a Cyan.Mod for it. Having a Cyan.Mod for a android phone seems to be the cats ass, but I am not sure I understand why this is so huge a deal, anyone on list have cyan.mod on a android phone can comment on why it seems to be a must have? tl On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:10 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Why is this news? ?Because I'm a phone Luddite. > > Why did I buy it? ?Curiosity combined with bargain hunting. > > Why is this TLUG news? ?Because Android is built on top of the Linux > kernel so there are opportunities for Linux hacking (maybe). ?And learning > about Android is of interest to us. > > This deal looks extraordinarily good: > > (but note that I'm not an expert cellphone consumer.) > > - From Koodo, the Telus flanker brand > > - LG Optimus One handset (LG-P500h) > ?+ Android 2.2; I heard rumours of an update being promised > ?+ WiFi, bluetooth, GPS, ... > ?+ uses a SIM so I would have called it GSM but it has some other > ? ?name > ?+ comes with an internal (replaceable) 2G MicroSD card > ?+ screen resolution only 320x480 > > - $150 for the handset, all of which can be put on "tab". > ?Putting it on the Tab has some advantages. > > - If you buy online or from a Koodo store (but not from Future Shop > ?etc.) you get $100 in a one-time-VISA card (you can spend it like > ?a VISA card) > > - the tab can be either paid off OR it will be reduced by 10% of any > ?phone bills you pay. ?So it declines over time. ?If you quit Koodo, > ?you have to pay it all off (but it evaporates if you have a > ?credit.) > > - KOODO DOESN'T LOCK YOU INTO A CONTRACT. > > - Koodo doesn't have "System Access Fees". > > - I bought their cheapest plan, $15 a month for not much service. ?Not > ?even caller-id! > > - I chose flexible data plan: free if it isn't used, expensive > ?if it is. ?For the first 10 days data is free. ?WiFi is free, of > ?course. > > - Since you can cancel very quickly, this is a very inexpensive phone: > ?$150 - $100 (I don't know how tax works). > > - bonus: if you ask a Koodo customer for a "referral" before you buy > ?the phone, you can use that to give each of you a $25 tab credit. > ?The credit appears after 4-6 weeks so it is probably useless if you > ?are going to cancel quickly. ?Tab credits are good for (1) reducing > ?the debit you have from buying the handset, and (2) using for future > ?handset purchases, but not for actual phone service. > > - Deal ends at the end of March > > - apparently the phone can be unlocked and work with "normal" > ?GSM/whatever frequencies (Bell, Telus, Roger and relabeled versions > ?but not Wind etc.). ?Apparently unlocking can be had for $8 from > ?ebay vendors (why not free?). ?Some say it can be used with Telus > ?without unlocking. > > Now I will look around to see if other providers have a better plan > that would work for this phone. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 17:27:23 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:27:23 -0400 Subject: I bought an Android phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:10 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > - LG Optimus One handset (LG-P500h) Suggesting some relevant links, regarding ability to hack on it... http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=836 Unofficial port of the infamous CyanogenMod: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=946354 Information on rooting it... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1001713 [Bit of warning... Apparently you may need to downgrade to be able to root it, and it looks like you need to run some of the tools on Windows...] -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mdhillca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 17:38:42 2011 From: mdhillca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Hill) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:38:42 -0400 Subject: I bought an Android phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Hugh, On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:10 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Why is this TLUG news? Because Android is built on top of the Linux > kernel so there are opportunities for Linux hacking (maybe). And learning > about Android is of interest to us. I bought one late last summer, inspired by Tim Riker's keynote at Linux Symposium. It's a Telus HTC Desire; I have CyanogenMod running (and updating) on it and have only now started using it to play with Python. I have lots of practise installing the Android SDK on various machines and OSes. Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 17:57:38 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:57:38 -0400 Subject: I bought an Android phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D8A3492.4000204@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Why is this TLUG news? Because Android is built on top of the Linux > kernel so there are opportunities for Linux hacking (maybe). And learning > about Android is of interest to us. > I bought a Google Nexus One last June. It works well and has nice features, such as WiFi tethering, and with the latest version of Android, built in SIP phone for VoIP/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 20:28:59 2011 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:28:59 -0500 Subject: local open source project looking for help porting to Cygwin Message-ID: <201103231529.00509.icanprogram@295.ca> The local SIMPL open source project (http://www.icanprogram.com/simpl) is emboldened by its recent success in adding a PHP interface and a Mac port to its family. The SIMPL project began over 10 years ago with the aim to bring the Send/Receive/Reply (QNX style) messaging to the Linux developer. A SIMPL application consists of two or more interacting SIMPL modules which can be written in C, C++, Python, JAVA, Tcl/Tk and now PHP. SIMPL modules with different languages can be mixed in a given SIMPL application. SIMPL modules in a given application can be run on a single network node or dispersed on several nodes often without even a recompile. Up until recently a SIMPL network had to contain at least one Linux node. With the Mac port this changed. It is time to go the distance to a (cough) Windows/Cygwin port. The SIMPL core code was able to compile without significant changes on the Mac which tells us that it is pretty standards compliant. Our project team has a Linux heritage so we don't have a lot of Windows and/or Cygwin expertise (or even systems to try stuff on). If anyone is interested in helping out with the Windows/Cygwin port please contact me offlist or on the SIMPL project mailing list. Thanks. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 20:37:57 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 16:37:57 -0400 Subject: Intel Itanium Message-ID: Afternoon, Interesting press release from Oracle. They are no longer supporting Itanium. What I found odd though is they claim Intel management encouraged them to dump it. How viable will it be to sustain it with limited software "ecosystem" to borrow a misused word by tech journalist. http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/346696 >From a bit of googling, it seem only HP unix support it now. That kind of making it hard to ever be profitable. And if Intel do axe it eventually, what happen to HP Unix considering it seem to only run on Itanium at the moment? William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 20:41:25 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Intel Itanium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <254714.67950.qm@web113415.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HP sues Intel for "breach of contract". It will be tied up in courts for years, allowing lawyers' children to go to Harvard. -- William ----- Original Message ---- > From: William Muriithi > To: TLUG mailing list > Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 4:37:57 PM > Subject: [TLUG]: Intel Itanium > > Afternoon, > > Interesting press release from Oracle. They are no longer supporting > Itanium. What I found odd though is they claim Intel management > encouraged them to dump it. How viable will it be to sustain it with > limited software "ecosystem" to borrow a misused word by tech > journalist. > > http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/346696 > > From a bit of googling, it seem only HP unix support it now. That > kind of making it hard to ever be profitable. And if Intel do axe it > eventually, what happen to HP Unix considering it seem to only run on > Itanium at the moment? > > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 20:52:24 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 16:52:24 -0400 Subject: Intel Itanium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:37 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > From a bit of googling, it seem only HP unix support it now. ?That > kind of making it hard to ever be profitable. ?And if Intel do axe it > eventually, what happen to HP Unix considering it seem to only run on > Itanium at the moment? VMS was ported to Itanium, too, so there's still a niche there, albeit rather small :-). It's not entirely surprising that HP would be the last remaining partner holding on, as they were the first ones to give up on their architecture (PA-RISC) in favor of Intel's oncoming IA-64 platform, and all indications are that they had some influence on what initially went into it. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 20:58:55 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: I bought an Android phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77234.80978.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'm currently paying Rogers $50/month for cell phone, so I'm looking for a cheaper alternative, either cheaper monthly or pay-as-you-go. If you add Caller-ID, how much would the price be? -- William ----- Original Message ---- > From: D. Hugh Redelmeier > To: Toronto Linux Users Group > Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 1:10:00 PM > Subject: [TLUG]: I bought an Android phone > > Why is this news? Because I'm a phone Luddite. > > Why did I buy it? Curiosity combined with bargain hunting. > > Why is this TLUG news? Because Android is built on top of the Linux > kernel so there are opportunities for Linux hacking (maybe). And learning > about Android is of interest to us. > > This deal looks extraordinarily good: > >> > (but note that I'm not an expert cellphone consumer.) > > - From Koodo, the Telus flanker brand > > - LG Optimus One handset (LG-P500h) > + Android 2.2; I heard rumours of an update being promised > + WiFi, bluetooth, GPS, ... > + uses a SIM so I would have called it GSM but it has some other > name > + comes with an internal (replaceable) 2G MicroSD card > + screen resolution only 320x480 > > - $150 for the handset, all of which can be put on "tab". > Putting it on the Tab has some advantages. > > - If you buy online or from a Koodo store (but not from Future Shop > etc.) you get $100 in a one-time-VISA card (you can spend it like > a VISA card) > > - the tab can be either paid off OR it will be reduced by 10% of any > phone bills you pay. So it declines over time. If you quit Koodo, > you have to pay it all off (but it evaporates if you have a > credit.) > > - KOODO DOESN'T LOCK YOU INTO A CONTRACT. > > - Koodo doesn't have "System Access Fees". > > - I bought their cheapest plan, $15 a month for not much service. Not > even caller-id! > > - I chose flexible data plan: free if it isn't used, expensive > if it is. For the first 10 days data is free. WiFi is free, of > course. > > - Since you can cancel very quickly, this is a very inexpensive phone: > $150 - $100 (I don't know how tax works). > > - bonus: if you ask a Koodo customer for a "referral" before you buy > the phone, you can use that to give each of you a $25 tab credit. > The credit appears after 4-6 weeks so it is probably useless if you > are going to cancel quickly. Tab credits are good for (1) reducing > the debit you have from buying the handset, and (2) using for future > handset purchases, but not for actual phone service. > > - Deal ends at the end of March > > - apparently the phone can be unlocked and work with "normal" > GSM/whatever frequencies (Bell, Telus, Roger and relabeled versions > but not Wind etc.). Apparently unlocking can be had for $8 from > ebay vendors (why not free?). Some say it can be used with Telus > without unlocking. > > Now I will look around to see if other providers have a better plan > that would work for this phone. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 21:16:49 2011 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:16:49 -0400 Subject: I bought an Android phone In-Reply-To: <77234.80978.qm-iGg6QNsgFOE5A34FEqDeB/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <77234.80978.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM, William Park wrote: > I'm currently paying Rogers $50/month for cell phone, so I'm looking for a > cheaper alternative, either cheaper monthly or pay-as-you-go. > > If you add Caller-ID, how much would the price be? I'm a very cheap person. I'm looking at http://www.speakout7eleven.ca/ . You have to buy one of their phones, and they don't do number portability, but the airtime lasts a year and apparently, they're on the Rogers network, so you can drop the SIM into a Rogers phone and it will work. All the extras are included, but as with all pay-as-you-go, the $0.25 per-minute price is too high for it to be your only phone. $10/mo apparently also does unlimited web access. I'm going to give it a try, but I have to unlock my current phone to do so. Oh and rumour has it that you have to go in-person into a 7-11 to buy additional airtime. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 21:26:10 2011 From: fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Salman Ahmed) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 14:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: I bought an Android phone In-Reply-To: References: <77234.80978.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <313224.40193.qm@web39324.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am using a SO 7-11 phone (yeah, I am cheap!), and I can confirm that you do need to go into a 7-11 store to buy extra airtime. Incoming texts are free. Most of the handsets they sell cannot be unlocked easily; the Nokia 5130 xpressmusic that I bought from them is not unlockable through the usual means. As I understand, you can only get a SO SIM when you buy one of their handsets. -- Salman Ahmed ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike Kallies To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 5:16:49 PM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: I bought an Android phone On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM, William Park wrote: > I'm currently paying Rogers $50/month for cell phone, so I'm looking for a > cheaper alternative, either cheaper monthly or pay-as-you-go. > > If you add Caller-ID, how much would the price be? I'm a very cheap person. I'm looking at http://www.speakout7eleven.ca/ . You have to buy one of their phones, and they don't do number portability, but the airtime lasts a year and apparently, they're on the Rogers network, so you can drop the SIM into a Rogers phone and it will work. All the extras are included, but as with all pay-as-you-go, the $0.25 per-minute price is too high for it to be your only phone. $10/mo apparently also does unlimited web access. I'm going to give it a try, but I have to unlock my current phone to do so. Oh and rumour has it that you have to go in-person into a 7-11 to buy additional airtime. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 22:49:01 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:49:01 -0400 Subject: Intel Itanium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 23 March 2011 16:37, William Muriithi wrote: > What I found odd though is they claim Intel management > encouraged them to dump it. It does seem odd, since Intel recently previewed its next generation Itanium -- Scott A. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 23:07:56 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: I bought an Android phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Michael Hill | I bought one late last summer, inspired by Tim Riker's keynote at | Linux Symposium. I went to that talk. To some extent, it scared me off of Android! For one thing, the appears to have caused Google to back out of being a Linux Symposium sponsor. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 23 23:41:35 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: I bought an Android phone In-Reply-To: <77234.80978.qm-iGg6QNsgFOE5A34FEqDeB/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <77234.80978.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: | From: William Park | I'm currently paying Rogers $50/month for cell phone, so I'm looking for a | cheaper alternative, either cheaper monthly or pay-as-you-go. | | If you add Caller-ID, how much would the price be? Cell phone plans are tricky and complicated. I don't pretend to know all of their ins and outs. The best plan depends on your objective function. A lot. Speak Out from 7-11 seems like a great deal if the plan suits you. At various times of the year they have good sales too. Koodo plans are listed here: A la carte here: They are simpler to understand than most other vendors' offerings. My "plan" is the basic a la carte ("build your own") plus data. Call display would add $6/month. Wind etcetera have some great offers but their frequencies are screwy. I think that Steve Punter's Southern Ontario Cell Phone Page is a useful place to find out about cell phones: I first heard of Steve Punter with regard to Commodore PET BBSes. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 24 09:08:36 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 05:08:36 -0400 Subject: Intel Itanium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110324090836.GB22908@waltdnes.org> Here's an anonymous post from approximately 5 years ago with a cynical take on Itanium... Is Microsoft responsible for Intel's Itanic disaster? Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, February 21 2006 @ 04:12 PM EST There was no Itanic disaster. Remember, when Intel started the Itanium bluff, they hand zero presence in 64-bit computing and very limited presence in high-end computing. Leading 64-bit players were MIPS/SGI, Alpha/Dec, PA-RISC/HP, and yes, IBM and Sparc. In fear of Itanium, SGI spun-off MIPS and became a Wintel reseller. Compaq feared Itanium would quickly kill DEC's Alpha and gave it to Intel when they bought DEC. HP redirected their hardware resources away from PA-RISC to their intel/itanium partnership. Without laying out a single transistor, Itanium completely destroyed 3 of the 5 64-bit competitors; and Intel went from being a PC desktop brand to a wall-street-recognised leader in high-end computing. Never was there a more successful bluff in business. I don't see how people can consider that a failure. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 24 12:56:18 2011 From: gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Eric Battersby) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: I bought an Android phone In-Reply-To: References: <77234.80978.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Mike Kallies wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM, William Park wrote: > > I'm currently paying Rogers $50/month for cell phone, so I'm looking for a > > cheaper alternative, either cheaper monthly or pay-as-you-go. > > > > If you add Caller-ID, how much would the price be? > > I'm a very cheap person. I'm looking at http://www.speakout7eleven.ca/ . > > You have to buy one of their phones, and they don't do number > portability, but the airtime lasts a year and apparently, they're on > the Rogers network, so you can drop the SIM into a Rogers phone and it > will work. All the extras are included, but as with all > pay-as-you-go, the $0.25 per-minute price is too high for it to be > your only phone. > > $10/mo apparently also does unlimited web access. I'm going to give > it a try, but I have to unlock my current phone to do so. > > Oh and rumour has it that you have to go in-person into a 7-11 to buy > additional airtime. I have had a 7-11 SpeakOut (SO) pay-as-you-go phone for a few years now. The air time lasts a year after from purchase date. The minimum purchase amount is $25. All regular air time is $0.25/min, outgoing texts are $0.10 (unless you get the special text plan). Air time that is used to check your balance, or to add air time is free. It includes (no extra cost) CallerID, Voice Mail, and incoming texts. You can check your Voice Mail for free from a land line and they remain around for 5 days. Air time does not start until pickup. This phone will not work in the U.S. The "plan" is simple to figure out. Check balance; perform operation; check balance. You need to go into a 7-11 store to purchase air time, so don't get low in Markham (0 stores?) or Brampton (1 store). This phone is NOT suitable for undisciplined "cheap" persons. You need to keep calls short, or decide if you can wait for a land line. So, if you speak 3 times per day, 2x1min,1x2min, each day, that is about $30/month. Occasionally, they offer discounts which effectively makes air time cost $0.20/min if you purchase $100. Typically around December, you can get a free working phone with a $100 air time purchase. I don't know if its SIM will work in a Rogers phone. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 24 13:44:28 2011 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:44:28 -0400 Subject: Grokking Debian In-Reply-To: <20110322170458.GS347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <67F5449E-7C91-457D-9CA4-E6C1C2A270FC@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20110322170458.GS347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: (I sent this days ago, but from the wrong address. *sigh*) OK, things are worse than I thought. I get the same result (exactly, modulo package name) with, e.g. cruft, gcj, firefox, gnome, just to choose some random packages.... it suggests that debian on my system is fairly borked. Any ideas? TIA, ../Dave >> : ~ ; sudo apt-get install v4l-utils >> Reading package lists... Done >> Building dependency tree >> Reading state information... Done >> Package v4l-utils is not available, but is referred to by another package. >> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or >> is only available from another source >> >> E: Package 'v4l-utils' has no installation candidate -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 24 14:28:06 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:28:06 -0400 Subject: Grokking Debian In-Reply-To: References: <67F5449E-7C91-457D-9CA4-E6C1C2A270FC@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20110322170458.GS347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110324142806.GA21377@yam.witteman.ca> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:44:28AM -0400, Dave Mason wrote: >(I sent this days ago, but from the wrong address. *sigh*) > >OK, things are worse than I thought. I get the same result (exactly, modulo package name) with, e.g. cruft, gcj, firefox, gnome, just to choose some random packages.... it suggests that debian on my system is fairly borked. > >Any ideas? It is possible that you've gotten bungled somewhere, but you can often rescue things. Squeeze is stable (I think - I don't find the Toy Story naming convention at all helpful). I am running testing, and I am able to easily install the package you mentioned. If I were in your shoes I would try this: - apt-get clean -edit /etc/apt/sources.list so that you are including contrib and nonfree, as both might be needed for some of the dependencies - apt-get dist-upgrade Then try installing the package you are missing. If that doesn't work, try upgrading to "testing". Let me know if you want to see my sources.list for "testing" - I'm happy to share. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 24 14:51:03 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:51:03 -0400 Subject: Intel Itanium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110324145103.GA347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 04:37:57PM -0400, William Muriithi wrote: > Interesting press release from Oracle. They are no longer supporting > Itanium. What I found odd though is they claim Intel management > encouraged them to dump it. How viable will it be to sustain it with > limited software "ecosystem" to borrow a misused word by tech > journalist. > > http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/346696 I didn't see anywhere that intel encouraged it. Rather intel didn't seem to be pushing it anymore, and certainly the constant delays in delivering new chips is a bad sign. > From a bit of googling, it seem only HP unix support it now. That > kind of making it hard to ever be profitable. And if Intel do axe it > eventually, what happen to HP Unix considering it seem to only run on > Itanium at the moment? It was only ever profitable to HP (assuming it ever was for them). It took years for HP to get all the key features ported to itanium for HP-UX driving their customers nuts in the process. I think some key features might still be missing. It has been a train wreck the whole way through. Anyhow, redhat dropped it, microsoft dropped it, and now oracle dropped it. About time. Good riddance. I really hope this is the last time intel tries to use VLIW for a general purpose CPU. Every attempt they have made over the years has been a failure for them. You would think they would learn. Seems once every decade they have to try it again. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 24 14:54:12 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:54:12 -0400 Subject: Intel Itanium In-Reply-To: <20110324090836.GB22908-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110324090836.GB22908@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20110324145412.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 05:08:36AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > Here's an anonymous post from approximately 5 years ago with a cynical > take on Itanium... > > > Is Microsoft responsible for Intel's Itanic disaster? > Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, February 21 2006 @ 04:12 PM EST > There was no Itanic disaster. > > Remember, when Intel started the Itanium bluff, they hand zero presence > in 64-bit computing and very limited presence in high-end computing. > Leading 64-bit players were MIPS/SGI, Alpha/Dec, PA-RISC/HP, and yes, > IBM and Sparc. > > In fear of Itanium, SGI spun-off MIPS and became a Wintel reseller. > Compaq feared Itanium would quickly kill DEC's Alpha and gave it to > Intel when they bought DEC. HP redirected their hardware resources away > from PA-RISC to their intel/itanium partnership. > > Without laying out a single transistor, Itanium completely destroyed 3 > of the 5 64-bit competitors; and Intel went from being a PC desktop > brand to a wall-street-recognised leader in high-end computing. > > Never was there a more successful bluff in business. I don't see how > people can consider that a failure. If it wasn't for AMD making x86_64, intel would have been in a lot of trouble now. intel really did think the itanium would work and that they could get rid of x86 (and hence amd and via and such) in the high end server market where the nice profits are to be found. So yes they destroyed 3 of the 5 64bit platforms, but intel didn't have one themselves, so what good was it for them if the itanium didn't work out? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 24 15:06:47 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:06:47 -0400 Subject: Intel Itanium In-Reply-To: References: <20110324145103.GA347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110324150647.GC347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 07:57:08AM -0700, Pete Lancashire wrote: > sounds like someone remembers the iAPX432 !! What a wonder that was. Too bad it seems no one at intel remembered it. :) I certainly don't remember it, being I was only 6 when they released it and I was hence born the year they started work on it. But I have read about it. The i860 didn't seem to be that popular either (the i960 seems to have done better, but it isn't VLIW). VLIW is good for a DSP or even a GPU. It's not good for a CPU becasue the compiler really can't in general make use of it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ushnish.sengupta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 24 15:15:40 2011 From: ushnish.sengupta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ushnish Sengupta) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:15:40 -0400 Subject: Event announcement: Green Tech Computer Toss and Free Computer Repair Clinic Saturday March 26th at Free Geek Toronto Message-ID: Hi folks At Free Geek Toronto, we are trying different ways of getting people interested in learning about computers and trying out Linux Ubuntu. We are holding a free computer repair clinic this Saturday. 1) At the repair event, we will try and help people having issues with Linux Ubuntu. 2) We will be promoting Linux Ubuntu as a viable alternative to individuals bringing in boxes with other operating systems. 3) Although most people on this list know how to do their own repairs, consider forwarding the event notice on to others who may be interested. Event details below. Event: Green Tech Computer Toss Get your computer repaired for free, put to reuse for a good cause, or recycled. Date: Saturday March 26th Time: 12:00 pm to 4:00 pm Location:51 Vine Avenue, Unit B Vine runs West of Keele and one block North of Dundas Time: 12:00 pm: TOUR of Free Geek Toronto (please be there by 12:00 sharp!) 1:00 pm to 4:00 pm Free Computer Repair Clinic Description: FreeGeek Toronto is having a FREE computer evaluation and repair clinic on Saturday March 26 at 51 Vine St. Our experienced volunteer technicians will look at any problem your computer may have. Whether you have a hardware or software problem, this clinic is the place to have it looked at. We guarantee to do our best but cannot promise to fix every possible problem. Any repairs requiring more then 15 minutes to evaluate may be subject to a fee. For problems with software, please bring the installation CD and any activation or registration codes. You can also drop off your OLD COMPUTERS, MONITORS, KEYBOARDS, and other COMPUTER ACCESSORIES, working or not! 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URL: From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 24 18:42:08 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:42:08 -0400 Subject: Intel Itanium In-Reply-To: <20110324145103.GA347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110324145103.GA347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Lennart On 24 March 2011 10:51, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 04:37:57PM -0400, William Muriithi wrote: >> Interesting press release from Oracle. ?They are no longer supporting >> Itanium. ?What I found odd though is they claim Intel management >> encouraged them to dump it. ?How viable will it be to sustain it with >> limited software "ecosystem" to borrow a misused word by tech >> journalist. >> >> http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/346696 > > I didn't see anywhere that intel encouraged it. ?Rather intel didn't > seem to be pushing it anymore, and certainly the constant delays in > delivering new chips is a bad sign. Hmm, this quote to me sound like encouragement - or at least discouraging further support "Intel management made it clear that their strategic focus is on their x86 microprocessor and that Itanium was nearing the end of its life." That said, I agree they never mentioned it explicitly, but do not expect them to ever come out more clear than that Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 24 19:58:37 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:58:37 -0400 Subject: Intel Itanium In-Reply-To: <20110324145412.GB347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110324090836.GB22908@waltdnes.org> <20110324145412.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 24 March 2011 10:54, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 05:08:36AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: >> ? Here's an anonymous post from approximately 5 years ago with a cynical >> take on Itanium... >> >> >> Is Microsoft responsible for Intel's Itanic disaster? >> Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, February 21 2006 @ 04:12 PM EST >> There was no Itanic disaster. >> >> Remember, when Intel started the Itanium bluff, they hand zero presence >> in 64-bit computing and very limited presence in high-end computing. >> Leading 64-bit players were MIPS/SGI, Alpha/Dec, PA-RISC/HP, and yes, >> IBM and Sparc. >> >> In fear of Itanium, SGI spun-off MIPS and became a Wintel reseller. >> Compaq feared Itanium would quickly kill DEC's Alpha and gave it to >> Intel when they bought DEC. HP redirected their hardware resources away >> from PA-RISC to their intel/itanium partnership. >> >> Without laying out a single transistor, Itanium completely destroyed 3 >> of the 5 64-bit competitors; and Intel went from being a PC desktop >> brand to a wall-street-recognised leader in high-end computing. >> >> Never was there a more successful bluff in business. I don't see how >> people can consider that a failure. > > If it wasn't for AMD making x86_64, intel would have been in a lot of > trouble now. ?intel really did think the itanium would work and that > they could get rid of x86 (and hence amd and via and such) in the high > end server market where the nice profits are to be found. > > So yes they destroyed 3 of the 5 64bit platforms, but intel didn't > have one themselves, so what good was it for them if the itanium didn't > work out? Very well said. I was about to mention the same thing. Itanium was not a bluff at all. They almost got left behind by AMD as they desperately tried to push Itanium. Heck, they even ended up licensing AMD technology when Microsoft refused to support their own version of x86_64. Plus, they burnt through $ 5 billion if I recall correctly. I felt like if it was not for Linux, there would be no x86_64. Microsoft only supported x86_64 after AMD had a decent sales. If it was not for Linux support, I am not sure AMD would have been able to push that project successfully. William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 24 20:25:22 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:25:22 -0400 Subject: Intel Itanium In-Reply-To: References: <20110324090836.GB22908@waltdnes.org> <20110324145412.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 3:58 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > On 24 March 2011 10:54, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 05:08:36AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: >>> ? Here's an anonymous post from approximately 5 years ago with a cynical >>> take on Itanium... >>> >>> >>> Is Microsoft responsible for Intel's Itanic disaster? >>> Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, February 21 2006 @ 04:12 PM EST >>> There was no Itanic disaster. >>> >>> Remember, when Intel started the Itanium bluff, they hand zero presence >>> in 64-bit computing and very limited presence in high-end computing. >>> Leading 64-bit players were MIPS/SGI, Alpha/Dec, PA-RISC/HP, and yes, >>> IBM and Sparc. >>> >>> In fear of Itanium, SGI spun-off MIPS and became a Wintel reseller. >>> Compaq feared Itanium would quickly kill DEC's Alpha and gave it to >>> Intel when they bought DEC. HP redirected their hardware resources away >>> from PA-RISC to their intel/itanium partnership. >>> >>> Without laying out a single transistor, Itanium completely destroyed 3 >>> of the 5 64-bit competitors; and Intel went from being a PC desktop >>> brand to a wall-street-recognised leader in high-end computing. >>> >>> Never was there a more successful bluff in business. I don't see how >>> people can consider that a failure. >> >> If it wasn't for AMD making x86_64, intel would have been in a lot of >> trouble now. ?intel really did think the itanium would work and that >> they could get rid of x86 (and hence amd and via and such) in the high >> end server market where the nice profits are to be found. >> >> So yes they destroyed 3 of the 5 64bit platforms, but intel didn't >> have one themselves, so what good was it for them if the itanium didn't >> work out? > > Very well said. ?I was about to mention the same thing. Itanium was > not a bluff at all. They almost got left behind by AMD as they > desperately tried to push Itanium. ?Heck, they even ended up licensing > AMD technology when Microsoft refused to support their own version of > x86_64. ?Plus, they burnt ?through $ 5 billion if I recall correctly. > > I felt like if it was not for Linux, there would be no x86_64. > Microsoft only supported x86_64 ?after AMD had a decent sales. ?If it > was not for Linux support, I am not sure AMD would have been able to > push that project successfully. Yep, you're onto something, for sure. AMD got a lot of uptake on AMD64 from the Linux community, because they were able to offer some mighty nice server configurations that were deeply better than Intel's best 32 bit offerings, and yet not terribly much more expensive. Linux was a big win, there, because, what with the porting efforts to make Linux play well on Alpha, PPC, SPARC, and MIPS, it was comparatively quick and easy to add an extra 64 bit platform. Java wasn't yet super-popular, so limited support from Sun wasn't a big barrier. A lot of web server applications could run perfectly well, benefiting from the big memory space and comparatively large register set, without needing any visible code changes. After all, LAMP (Linux, Apache, Middleware, Postgres) apps have their code written in ("one of the languages starting with a P") which don't care what kind of CPU you're on. The same wouldn't be remotely true for Windows(tm), where applications are pretty aware of what CPU architecture they're on. It's no insult to Microsoft to say that it's a tougher challenge to port their OS to a 64 bit architecture. In any case, the ready availability of "Linux on AMD64" made the bootstrap process *way* easier for AMD - they had a profitable market (e.g. - servers have way better margins than desktops) almost immediately. It's disappointing that there haven't been more instances of such. I would have loved to see cheap-ish boxes running MIPS, ARM, PPC, or SPARC. Mind you, none of those included the "emulate IA-32" layer that was the *other* half of what saved AMD64 from irrelevance - it ran quite nicely as a "wicked fast IA-32" box, too. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 24 20:47:59 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:47:59 -0400 Subject: Intel Itanium In-Reply-To: References: <20110324090836.GB22908@waltdnes.org> <20110324145412.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110324204759.GD347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 04:25:22PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > Yep, you're onto something, for sure. > > AMD got a lot of uptake on AMD64 from the Linux community, because > they were able to offer some mighty nice server configurations that > were deeply better than Intel's best 32 bit offerings, and yet not > terribly much more expensive. > > Linux was a big win, there, because, what with the porting efforts to > make Linux play well on Alpha, PPC, SPARC, and MIPS, it was > comparatively quick and easy to add an extra 64 bit platform. > > Java wasn't yet super-popular, so limited support from Sun wasn't a > big barrier. > > A lot of web server applications could run perfectly well, benefiting > from the big memory space and comparatively large register set, > without needing any visible code changes. > After all, LAMP (Linux, Apache, Middleware, Postgres) apps have their > code written in ("one of the languages starting with a P") which don't > care what kind of CPU you're on. > > The same wouldn't be remotely true for Windows(tm), where applications > are pretty aware of what CPU architecture they're on. It's no insult > to Microsoft to say that it's a tougher challenge to port their OS to > a 64 bit architecture. They had to break some standard conventions too to do it because they didn't want to go back and fix all the mistakes they had already made, so long isn't the same size as a pointer on windows, while it is on linux, solaris, and many other OSs. Too many windows programs assumed int = long, including all over the OS. Also windows is little endian only and to ever make it big endian would probably kill Microsoft. > In any case, the ready availability of "Linux on AMD64" made the > bootstrap process *way* easier for AMD - they had a profitable market > (e.g. - servers have way better margins than desktops) almost > immediately. They had linux ported to the amd64 simulator before they even had chips prototyped. > It's disappointing that there haven't been more instances of such. I > would have loved to see cheap-ish boxes running MIPS, ARM, PPC, or > SPARC. I belive it will happen for ARM soon. For the others, not sure. Lots of MIPS boxes out there as routers running linux that are cheap, but not if you are looking for a PC, although the chineese are doing stuff that very well could turn into cheap MIPS PCs. > Mind you, none of those included the "emulate IA-32" layer that was > the *other* half of what saved AMD64 from irrelevance - it ran quite > nicely as a "wicked fast IA-32" box, too. The chineese MIPS in the new ones somewhat do. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 24 20:52:47 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:52:47 -0400 Subject: Grokking Debian In-Reply-To: References: <67F5449E-7C91-457D-9CA4-E6C1C2A270FC@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20110322170458.GS347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: I have also had problems in the past, it was always just bad repos. Try these in your sources.list (replace 'testing with 'squeeze' if you wish): deb http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca/debian/ testing main non-free contrib deb-src http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca/debian/ testing main non-free contrib deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main This works flawlessly for me. On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Dave Mason wrote: > (I sent this days ago, but from the wrong address. ?*sigh*) > > OK, things are worse than I thought. ?I get the same result (exactly, modulo package name) with, e.g. cruft, gcj, firefox, gnome, just to choose some random packages.... it suggests that debian on my system is fairly borked. > > Any ideas? > > TIA, ../Dave > >>> : ~ ; sudo apt-get install v4l-utils >>> Reading package lists... Done >>> Building dependency tree >>> Reading state information... Done >>> Package v4l-utils is not available, but is referred to by another package. >>> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or >>> is only available from another source >>> >>> E: Package 'v4l-utils' has no installation candidate > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 24 20:54:54 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:54:54 -0400 Subject: Grokking Debian In-Reply-To: References: <67F5449E-7C91-457D-9CA4-E6C1C2A270FC@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20110322170458.GS347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Of course after this you run 'aptitude update'... or 'apt-get update' whichever you prefer :-) On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > I have also had problems in the past, it was always just bad repos. > Try these in your sources.list (replace 'testing with 'squeeze' if you > wish): > > deb http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca/debian/ testing main non-free contrib > deb-src http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca/debian/ testing main non-free contrib > > deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib > > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main > deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main > > This works flawlessly for me. > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Dave Mason wrote: >> (I sent this days ago, but from the wrong address. ?*sigh*) >> >> OK, things are worse than I thought. ?I get the same result (exactly, modulo package name) with, e.g. cruft, gcj, firefox, gnome, just to choose some random packages.... it suggests that debian on my system is fairly borked. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> TIA, ../Dave >> >>>> : ~ ; sudo apt-get install v4l-utils >>>> Reading package lists... Done >>>> Building dependency tree >>>> Reading state information... Done >>>> Package v4l-utils is not available, but is referred to by another package. >>>> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or >>>> is only available from another source >>>> >>>> E: Package 'v4l-utils' has no installation candidate >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > TBM > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 25 02:08:12 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:08:12 -0400 Subject: Vim vs Emacs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D8BF90C.6030400@gmail.com> On 11-03-21 01:00 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > Ran across the following quote regarding VIM vs. Emacs (but does leave > a question regarding the women, such as this months GTALug speaker > Sacha Chua, who prefer Emacs...): > > "A man with no beard or a goatee is usually satisfied with Vim, once a > full beard is developed, Emacs is preferred" - Camilo Mesias > > > > Colin McGregor > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists I occasionally don't shave for 2 or 3 days, but clean shaven on most days and love emacs and don't get vi -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 25 02:15:26 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:15:26 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <20110318180610.GA3390-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4D8BFABE.4040401@gmail.com> On 11-03-18 02:06 PM, William Park wrote: > Hi, I'm currently keeping all personal infos (ie. contacts, accounts, > passwords, pins, etc.) on paper address book. I would like to store > them on a single textfile. How do you encrypt/decrypt a single file? > > I used "cryptsetup" before, but that's for entire partition. I guess I > can use password option in "zip", but that's so old fashion. :-) I would suggest you take a look at truecrypt, I use it on windows and linux and it allows you to encrypt a drive, partition, file based drive (file-system), usb drive. in your case you could create a file with truecrypt, mount that file as a file-system and then read and write file to it. when you mount the file-system, you need to enter a password. an unmounted file system is encrypted. you can even have hidden file system within a file system. http://www.truecrypt.org/ it's free and opensource =) -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cpchan-CzeTG9NwML0 at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 25 10:41:35 2011 From: cpchan-CzeTG9NwML0 at public.gmane.org (Charles Philip Chan) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:41:35 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <4D8BFABE.4040401-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> (Rajinder Yadav's message of "Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:15:26 -0400") References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> <4D8BFABE.4040401@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rajinder Yadav writes: > On 11-03-18 02:06 PM, William Park wrote: >> Hi, I'm currently keeping all personal infos (ie. contacts, accounts, >> passwords, pins, etc.) on paper address book. I would like to store >> them on a single textfile. How do you encrypt/decrypt a single file? One solution is to use gpg. You can either use public key for encryption (asymmetric) or use a symmetric cipher if you pass it the "-c" argument. For example to encrypt asymmetrically (you keyring must be setup for this), just do: ,---- | gpg -e `---- To encrypt symmetric, do: ,---- | gpg -c `---- To decrypt, do: ,---- | gpg `---- If you use Emacs, you can set it up to encrypt/decrypt automatically. > I would suggest you take a look at truecrypt, I use it on windows and > linux and it allows you to encrypt a drive, partition, file based > drive (file-system), usb drive. > > in your case you could create a file with truecrypt, mount that file > as a file-system and then read and write file to it. This sound very convoluted just for one file. Charles -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 25 23:07:48 2011 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:07:48 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <20110318203414.GA4683-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110318203414.GA4683@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:34 PM, William Park wrote: > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 04:20:32PM -0400, ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, William Park wrote: >> >> > Hi, I'm currently keeping all personal infos (ie. contacts, accounts, >> > passwords, pins, etc.) on paper address book. ?I would like to store >> > them on a single textfile. ?How do you encrypt/decrypt a single file? >> > >> > I used "cryptsetup" before, but that's for entire partition. ?I guess I >> > can use password option in "zip", but that's so old fashion. :-) >> >> Have a look at KeePassX (http://www.keepassx.org/) > > Thanks. ?Another layer of "database" is too much for my need. ?However, > KeePass would be useful for "salespeople" as was discussed in recent > TLUG meeting, where sheer volume of contact list requires more than just > textfile, but don't want coworkers using that list. Don't dismiss Keepass lightly. It is a remarkable program which addresses many problems. Plain text rendering of encrypted passwords has a problem in that they're subject to being shoulder-surfed, leaked into terminal logs or x-buffers or clipboards. The tool has multiple methods to cope with this, such as drag-and drop or keystroke playback into password fields. Admittedly, these methods are strongest on Windows, but they do work on Linux too. For example, I routinely use Keepass to log on to sites while my machine is visible on conference screens or on screen sharing applications. It also has an encryption key-file setup which permits you to easily publish the encrypted file to a central, relatively public location where your teammates can sync without risking brute-force *password* attacks against the file. It will additionally work with multiple databases simultaneously. Other gui-type aspects such as auto-save, auto log-out, saves you the risk of accidentally leaving the file unlocked when your machine is suspended or when you walk-away from your computer (you *do* auto-lock and password protect your screen?) Password reuse and sharing is a *far* greater weakness than recording your passwords in a central database. It's strange to me that you'd say "Salespeople" because I would think that technical people have a far, far greater need for password management tools than salespeople. I can't imagine a technical person keeping all these different passwords in their head without password reuse or a clever algorithm to generate passwords (which can be discerned knowing one or two of their passwords). Keepass can also dump to a plain text file, which can then be encrypted with GPG for your backups. Is there a reason you're storing passwords along with your contact information? Are these being used for user accounts? -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 25 23:44:01 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:44:01 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110318203414.GA4683@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110325234400.GA2330@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 07:07:48PM -0400, Mike Kallies wrote: > Is there a reason you're storing passwords along with your contact > information? Are these being used for user accounts? Yes. I just want to "update/maintain/carry" one file, ie. computer equivalent to rolodex, index cards, address book, or whatever paper-solution you used in the old days. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 26 00:26:21 2011 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:26:21 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <20110325234400.GA2330-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110318203414.GA4683@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110325234400.GA2330@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:44 PM, William Park wrote: > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 07:07:48PM -0400, Mike Kallies wrote: >> Is there a reason you're storing passwords along with your contact >> information? ?Are these being used for user accounts? > > Yes. ?I just want to "update/maintain/carry" one file, ie. computer > equivalent to rolodex, index cards, address book, or whatever > paper-solution you used in the old days. To be honest, or perhaps I just missed the reference, I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned vim yet. vim -x (or, from within vim use ":X") Additional information is available within vim using ":help encrypt" -- ? Scott Elcomb ? http://www.psema4.com/?? @psema4 ? Clerk of the Pirate Party of Canada ? http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 26 00:57:00 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:57:00 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110318203414.GA4683@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110325234400.GA2330@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110326005700.GA2690@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 08:26:21PM -0400, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:44 PM, William Park wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 07:07:48PM -0400, Mike Kallies wrote: > >> Is there a reason you're storing passwords along with your contact > >> information? ?Are these being used for user accounts? > > > > Yes. ?I just want to "update/maintain/carry" one file, ie. computer > > equivalent to rolodex, index cards, address book, or whatever > > paper-solution you used in the old days. > > To be honest, or perhaps I just missed the reference, I'm a little > surprised no one has mentioned vim yet. > > vim -x (or, from within vim use ":X") > > Additional information is available within vim using ":help encrypt" Yes! That's what I was looking for. I didn't know Vim had that. Thanks Scott. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 26 14:40:07 2011 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:40:07 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <20110326005700.GA2690-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110318203414.GA4683@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110325234400.GA2330@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110326005700.GA2690@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4D8DFAC7.1030805@gmail.com> On 3/25/2011 8:57 PM, William Park wrote: > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 08:26:21PM -0400, Scott Elcomb wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:44 PM, William Park wrote: >>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 07:07:48PM -0400, Mike Kallies wrote: >>>> Is there a reason you're storing passwords along with your contact >>>> information? Are these being used for user accounts? >>> >>> Yes. I just want to "update/maintain/carry" one file, ie. computer >>> equivalent to rolodex, index cards, address book, or whatever >>> paper-solution you used in the old days. >> >> To be honest, or perhaps I just missed the reference, I'm a little >> surprised no one has mentioned vim yet. >> >> vim -x (or, from within vim use ":X") >> >> Additional information is available within vim using ":help encrypt" > > Yes! That's what I was looking for. I didn't know Vim had that. > Thanks Scott. Careful: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/575817/vim-encryption-how-to-break-it "The algorithm used is breakable. A 4 character key in about one hour, a 6 character key in one day (on a Pentium 133 PC). This requires that you know some text that must appear in the file. An expert can break it for any key. When the text has been decrypted, this also means that the key can be revealed, and other files encrypted with the same key can be decrypted." Does anyone know if this has improved? -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 26 16:39:40 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 12:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <4D8DFAC7.1030805-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110318203414.GA4683@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110325234400.GA2330@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110326005700.GA2690@node1.opengeometry.net> <4D8DFAC7.1030805@gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Mike Kallies | "The algorithm used is breakable. A 4 character key in about one hour, a | 6 character key in one day (on a Pentium 133 PC). ..." | | Does anyone know if this has improved? Yes. I have a computer much faster than a Pentium 133. Without actual research: 4 character keys are easy to brute-force. Nothing using a 4 character key is safe. Brute forcing is an embarassingly parallel problem so it can easily be sped up by using a bunch of computers. By choosing the right cypher you can change the cost of brute forcing by a modes constant factor. Not enough to change the landsape. Rainbow tables may already exist for the cypher used by VIM (I don't know). That could make breaking it very quick. Of course we know that 4 digit keys (PINs) are perfectly safe :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 26 17:15:30 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 13:15:30 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <4D8DFAC7.1030805-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110318203414.GA4683@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110325234400.GA2330@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110326005700.GA2690@node1.opengeometry.net> <4D8DFAC7.1030805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110326171529.GA6582@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 10:40:07AM -0400, Mike Kallies wrote: > On 3/25/2011 8:57 PM, William Park wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 08:26:21PM -0400, Scott Elcomb wrote: > >> vim -x (or, from within vim use ":X") > > > Yes! That's what I was looking for. I didn't know Vim had that. > > Thanks Scott. > > Careful: > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/575817/vim-encryption-how-to-break-it > > "The algorithm used is breakable. A 4 character key in about one hour, a > 6 character key in one day (on a Pentium 133 PC). This requires that you > know some text that must appear in the file. An expert can break it for > any key. When the text has been decrypted, this also means that the key > can be revealed, and other files encrypted with the same key can be > decrypted." > > Does anyone know if this has improved? Hmm... I read that after I replied. I would've thought they use symmetric encryption via gpg or something. I guess it would create dependency which might not work on Windows. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 27 16:09:11 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: tomorrow: CS pioneer Kelly Gotlieb talks on his 90th birthday Message-ID: One of the founders of CS at UofT, Canada, and the world. An early investigator of social issues of computers. He claims that his PhD thesis (related to the proximity fuse) is still classified. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 27 16:27:55 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:27:55 -0400 Subject: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions In-Reply-To: <4D0A3F62.6080602-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <542893.90918.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205053316.GA12373@node1.opengeometry.net> <641827.51635.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205201706.GA13569@node1.opengeometry.net> <802659.21198.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101206012806.GA15259@node1.opengeometry.net> <938623.59337.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D0A3F62.6080602@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: Timothy, On 16 December 2010 11:33, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Timothy Washington wrote: >> >> I'm trying to decide on a bottom line here, in order to have a running >> system by Dec 15th. Looking at various vendors, but if I could hook up my >> cash register to a computer and inventory database myself, then that would >> be good. > > Did you get something set up by your deadline? Any updates on this you care > to share? Just got curious, how did you get to settle this? If it is possible to share how you solved this problem without revealing anything sensitive business wise, it would be nice. I remembered this mail because of this article I came across today. It may actually be of interest to you, though I am certain you have now solved your problem http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12776487 http://www.erply.com/ Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 27 22:10:26 2011 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: tomorrow: CS pioneer Kelly Gotlieb talks on his 90th birthday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Mar 2011, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I'll try to make it. I knew Kelly many years ago; he probably doesn't remember me. I remember his telling me at lunch one day that he and his wife had Anne McCaffrey over for dinner the previous evening. I hadn't realized that his wife was the Fantasy/SF author, Phyllis Gotlieb. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 28 01:19:55 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:19:55 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <20110318180610.GA3390-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4D8FE23B.1000503@gmail.com> On 11-03-18 02:06 PM, William Park wrote: > Hi, I'm currently keeping all personal infos (ie. contacts, accounts, > passwords, pins, etc.) on paper address book. I would like to store > them on a single textfile. How do you encrypt/decrypt a single file? > > I used "cryptsetup" before, but that's for entire partition. I guess I > can use password option in "zip", but that's so old fashion. :-) Emacs has an interface for gunpg http://emacs-fu.blogspot.com/2011/02/keeping-your-secrets-secret.html keeping your secrets secret If you want to keep your secrets secret, it is a good idea to encrypt your data; I usually do that for files with passwords for various services, banking data, and so on. Since version 23, Emacs includes a package called EasyPG (an interface to GnuPG) which makes this seamless ? just make sure that you have GnuPG installed. It's easy to use EasyPG ? the only thing you need to do is adding the .gpg -extension to your files, and EasyPG will automatically encrypt/decrypt them when writing/reading. So, for example, to create an encrypted org-mode-file, simply visit (C-x C-f) a file with a name like myfile.org.gpg; emacs opens this in Org-Mode (just like any .org-file). When you want to save the file, emacs will ask you for a password, and with this same password, you can open it again. Don't forget that password! [read more from the blog] -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 28 01:41:20 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:41:20 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <4D8FE23B.1000503-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> <4D8FE23B.1000503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D8FE740.4030804@utoronto.ca> On 3/27/2011 9:19 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Emacs has an interface for gunpg > > http://emacs-fu.blogspot.com/2011/02/keeping-your-secrets-secret.html > > keeping your secrets secret > > If you want to keep your secrets secret, it is a good idea to > encrypt your data; I usually do that for files with passwords for > various services, banking data, and so on. Since version 23, Emacs > includes a package called EasyPG (an interface to GnuPG) which makes > this seamless ? just make sure that you have GnuPG installed. > > It's easy to use EasyPG ? the only thing you need to do is adding > the .gpg -extension to your files, and EasyPG will automatically > encrypt/decrypt them when writing/reading. So, for example, to create > an encrypted org-mode-file, simply visit (C-x C-f) a file with a name > like myfile.org.gpg; emacs opens this in Org-Mode (just like any > .org-file). When you want to save the file, emacs will ask you for a > password, and with this same password, you can open it again. Don't > forget that password! I had to set a variable to get Emacs 23 on Windows 7 to recognize GPG: '(epg-gpg-program "Z:\\GNU\\GnuPG\\gpg.exe")) After that, it works as advertised. (In case anyone cries foul about me using Windows, Z: is my primary ext3 Linux drive, where I store all my data, which I have r/w access to in Windows using ext2fsd). Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 28 02:51:04 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:51:04 -0400 Subject: Evil Hardware hack! Message-ID: "Try this at home, really! One day the local salesmen reps of a major networking company (that rhymes with Nabisco) came by to talk to my boss. Since he was on the phone they came in and talked to me so I showed them the etherkiller. I think it scared the **** out of them. I also got yelled at by my boss since he thinks we might not ever get warranty support again." http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/ I occasionally joke about the notion of one's somewhat dysfunctioning computer having a necessary meeting with Mister Ball Peen Hammer; these guys have clearly taken this way further down the road!!! -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 28 06:12:32 2011 From: edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (edward chin) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:12:32 -0500 Subject: dual boot problem Message-ID: I have an HP dc7700-SFF running winXP. About 2yrs ago I installed Ubuntu 8.10 as a dual boot. After 8.10 was installed, there was a notification that a newer version 9.04 was available. So, I continued with the upgrade. The notice that the install was complete came up. I started the reboot and removed the intall disk. Then came the message about no bootable medium. No grub - no boot. I restored the MBR and got winxp back. Last week I decided to try an Ubuntu dual boot again. This time 10.10. All went well, and when the install was complete, I decided not to update until I could confirm the dual boot. I shut down, removed the disk and waited for the reboot. It openeded into grub; I chose Ubuntu 10.10 and everything came up nicely. I updated everything and installed my fav apps. I shudown and rebooted. Grub came up again, and I was happy that grub was working. So. I selected winxp to ensure that it was working. It worked - great. I exited windows and shut down. However, when I started again, I got the message: no module name found Aborted. Press any key to exit What happened? How do I fix this? I've done dual boots in the past and all have worked. My only two failures have been with this box. Could it be something with the box? I've done dual boot with winxp on another box and winxp with ubuntu 10.10 on a laptop. TIA for any help, Ed Chin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 28 12:29:06 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:29:06 -0400 Subject: Evil Hardware hack! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I read about something like this in William Gibson's last book, where you have an RJ-45 connector wired to a Taser. Portable subversion :-) On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > "Try this at home, really! One day the local salesmen reps of a major > networking company (that rhymes with Nabisco) came by to talk to my > boss. Since he was on the phone they came in and talked to me so I > showed them the etherkiller. I think it scared the **** out of them. I > also got yelled at by my boss since he thinks we might not ever get > warranty support again." > > http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/ > > I occasionally joke about the notion of one's somewhat dysfunctioning > computer having a necessary meeting with Mister Ball Peen Hammer; > these guys have clearly taken this way further down the road!!! > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 28 13:01:01 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:01:01 -0400 Subject: Evil Hardware hack! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 28 March 2011 08:29, Thomas Milne wrote: > Portable subversion :-) Ok, before it starts, let's not turn this into a Subversion vs. Git debate ;-) -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From timhildred-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 28 13:08:14 2011 From: timhildred-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Timothy Hildred) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:08:14 +1000 Subject: Evil Hardware hack! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Ok, before it starts, let's not turn this into a Subversion vs. Git debate ;-) Mercurial! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 28 14:10:09 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:10:09 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <4D8FE23B.1000503-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> <4D8FE23B.1000503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110328141009.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 09:19:55PM -0400, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Emacs has an interface for gunpg Shoot first and ask for the password later? :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 28 15:54:54 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:54:54 -0700 Subject: Evil Hardware hack! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wasn't that originally from the BOFH chronicles? On 2011-03-27 7:51 PM, "Christopher Browne" wrote: > "Try this at home, really! One day the local salesmen reps of a major > networking company (that rhymes with Nabisco) came by to talk to my > boss. Since he was on the phone they came in and talked to me so I > showed them the etherkiller. I think it scared the **** out of them. I > also got yelled at by my boss since he thinks we might not ever get > warranty support again." > > http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/ > > I occasionally joke about the notion of one's somewhat dysfunctioning > computer having a necessary meeting with Mister Ball Peen Hammer; > these guys have clearly taken this way further down the road!!! > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 28 16:52:25 2011 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:52:25 -0400 Subject: I bought an Android phone In-Reply-To: References: <77234.80978.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 24 March 2011 08:56, Eric Battersby wrote: > On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Mike Kallies wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM, William Park wrote: >> > I'm currently paying Rogers $50/month for cell phone, so I'm looking for a >> > cheaper alternative, either cheaper monthly or pay-as-you-go. >> > >> > If you add Caller-ID, how much would the price be? >> >> I'm a very cheap person. ?I'm looking at http://www.speakout7eleven.ca/ . >> >> You have to buy one of their phones, and they don't do number >> portability, but the airtime lasts a year and apparently, they're on >> the Rogers network, so you can drop the SIM into a Rogers phone and it >> will work. ?All the extras are included, but as with all >> pay-as-you-go, the $0.25 per-minute price is too high for it to be >> your only phone. >> >> $10/mo apparently also does unlimited web access. ?I'm going to give >> it a try, but I have to unlock my current phone to do so. >> >> Oh and rumour has it that you have to go in-person into a 7-11 to buy >> additional airtime. > > I have had a 7-11 SpeakOut (SO) pay-as-you-go phone for a few > years now. ?The air time lasts a year after from purchase > date. ?The minimum purchase amount is $25. > All regular air time is $0.25/min, outgoing texts are $0.10 > (unless you get the special text plan). > Air time that is used to check your balance, or to add air > time is free. > > It includes (no extra cost) CallerID, Voice Mail, and incoming texts. > You can check your Voice Mail for free from a land line > and they remain around for 5 days. > Air time does not start until pickup. > This phone will not work in the U.S. > > The "plan" is simple to figure out. > Check balance; perform operation; check balance. > You need to go into a 7-11 store to purchase air time, so > don't get low in Markham (0 stores?) or Brampton (1 store). > This phone is NOT suitable for undisciplined "cheap" persons. > You need to keep calls short, or decide if you can > wait for a land line. > So, if you speak 3 times per day, 2x1min,1x2min, each day, > that is about $30/month. > > Occasionally, they offer discounts which effectively makes air > time cost $0.20/min if you purchase $100. > Typically around December, you can get a free working phone > with a $100 air time purchase. > > I don't know if its SIM will work in a Rogers phone. I believe their SIMs will work in a Rogers phone, I think I tried that once - SpeakOut uses the Rogers network. I'm currently using my SpeakOut SIM in a formerly Wind unlocked Huawei Android phone, works fine. Comments I've seen online suggest that a lot of people are doing this, but that SpeakOut won't support you in it if you have problems. SpeakOut's data plan got mentioned earlier in the thread. One of my co-workers is using it: it suits him okay, but anyone considering it should stop to think about whether or not they want all-you-can-eat internet at the equivalent speed of a 56kbits/s modem. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 28 17:44:57 2011 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:44:57 -0400 Subject: I bought an Android phone In-Reply-To: References: <77234.80978.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Speaking of android phones, the motorola ATRIX looks pretty cool it actually has a lapdock which allows you to dock your phone to a screen and a keyboard. Uses the phone for the processor. Dave Cramer VP Software Development Visible Assets Inc. www.visibleassets.com > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 30 11:17:41 2011 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:17:41 -0400 Subject: the laptop where time stops Message-ID: This is a strange problem. I have a laptop that runs an "at" job to play music with mpg321 every morning and wake me up. The last three days, it's played about a minute and a half of the first song (it's set to play three randomly selected) and it just ... stops. When I get up and press a key on the keyboard - which also wakes up the screen - the music playback resumes. There's nothing in /var/log/messages. This morning I deliberately waited 2 minutes by another clock in the room, then pressed the key - and verified that the time on the laptop was two minutes slower than it should have been. Apparently time stops during the break in music playback. I can replace the laptop if I have to (it's very old), but it wouldn't be my first choice. Among other things, it's exhibited no other strange behaviours. Any thoughts on how to debug this or what might be going on? -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From wheagy1-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 30 12:07:21 2011 From: wheagy1-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Bill Heagy) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:07:21 -0400 Subject: the laptop where time stops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D931CF9.3050805@rogers.com> Check the bios battery. When it goes, all sorts of strange things can happen. Giles Orr wrote: > This is a strange problem. > > I have a laptop that runs an "at" job to play music with mpg321 every > morning and wake me up. The last three days, it's played about a > minute and a half of the first song (it's set to play three randomly > selected) and it just ... stops. When I get up and press a key on the > keyboard - which also wakes up the screen - the music playback > resumes. There's nothing in /var/log/messages. This morning I > deliberately waited 2 minutes by another clock in the room, then > pressed the key - and verified that the time on the laptop was two > minutes slower than it should have been. Apparently time stops during > the break in music playback. > > I can replace the laptop if I have to (it's very old), but it wouldn't > be my first choice. Among other things, it's exhibited no other > strange behaviours. Any thoughts on how to debug this or what might > be going on? > -- Bill Heagy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 30 12:40:16 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:40:16 -0400 Subject: opening four gnome-terminals into pre-defined positions Message-ID: <4D9324B0.9010404@alteeve.com> Hi all, When working on certain projects, I like to open four gnome-terminal windows in a particular pattern. Specifically; 1. 80x25, anchored to the top-left of the screen 2. 120x25, anchored to the top-right of the screen 3. 80x25, anchored to the bottom-left of the screen 4. 120x25, anchored to the bottom-right of the screen Is this scriptable or some other way automateable? I find it quite the hassle to always have to spawn/resize/move the four windows every time I start my computer. It's Fedora 14, though I suspect that matters less. Thanks! -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 30 12:59:57 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:59:57 -0400 Subject: opening four gnome-terminals into pre-defined positions In-Reply-To: <4D9324B0.9010404-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4D9324B0.9010404@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20110330125957.GA4247@yam.witteman.ca> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:40:16AM -0400, Digimer wrote: > > When working on certain projects, I like to open four gnome-terminal >windows in a particular pattern. Specifically; > >1. 80x25, anchored to the top-left of the screen >2. 120x25, anchored to the top-right of the screen >3. 80x25, anchored to the bottom-left of the screen >4. 120x25, anchored to the bottom-right of the screen > > Is this scriptable or some other way automateable? I find it quite the >hassle to always have to spawn/resize/move the four windows every time I >start my computer. Yes - you can specify position and size in the command line, so a quick bash script or alias and you're all set. Here is one I use putting a terminal in the top right: gnome-terminal --hide-menubar --geometry 80x73+0+0 -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My dyslexia strikes again. >gnome-terminal --hide-menubar --geometry 80x73+0+0 -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 30 14:00:49 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: opening four gnome-terminals into pre-defined positions In-Reply-To: <20110330125957.GA4247-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D9324B0.9010404@alteeve.com> <20110330125957.GA4247@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: | From: William O'Higgins Witteman | | On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:40:16AM -0400, Digimer wrote: | > | > When working on certain projects, I like to open four gnome-terminal | >windows in a particular pattern. Specifically; | > Is this scriptable or some other way automateable? | Yes - you can specify position and size in the command line, so a quick | bash script or alias and you're all set. That's the way I'd do it. But there is another approach: System : Preferences : Startup Applications : tab Options : Select "Automatically remember running applications when logging out". (My daughter uses this approach to keep her carefully organized LaTeX crafting environment.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 30 14:20:02 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:20:02 -0400 Subject: opening four gnome-terminals into pre-defined positions In-Reply-To: <4D9324B0.9010404-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4D9324B0.9010404@alteeve.com> Message-ID: not all commands (i.e. gnome-terminal --hide-menubar --geometry 80x73+0+0) have geometry support, to do this on any window you can use a script involving wmctrl devilspie to place and target and control any window, even to desktops and such. even "always on top", "on all desktops" etc. tl On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Digimer wrote: > Hi all, > > ?When working on certain projects, I like to open four gnome-terminal > windows in a particular pattern. Specifically; > > 1. 80x25, anchored to the top-left of the screen > 2. 120x25, anchored to the top-right of the screen > 3. 80x25, anchored to the bottom-left of the screen > 4. 120x25, anchored to the bottom-right of the screen > > ?Is this scriptable or some other way automateable? I find it quite the > hassle to always have to spawn/resize/move the four windows every time I > start my computer. > > It's Fedora 14, though I suspect that matters less. > > Thanks! > > -- > Digimer > E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org > AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com > Node Assassin: ?http://nodeassassin.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 30 15:10:08 2011 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:10:08 -0400 Subject: opening four gnome-terminals into pre-defined positions In-Reply-To: <4D9324B0.9010404-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4D9324B0.9010404@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Digimer wrote: > Hi all, > > ?When working on certain projects, I like to open four gnome-terminal > windows in a particular pattern. Specifically; Despite being written in Java (which I didn't realize until today), I've been using Terminator for about 6 months now.. in part to deal with this issue. Might be worth a look: -- ? Scott Elcomb ? http://www.psema4.com/?? @psema4 ? Clerk of the Pirate Party of Canada ? http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 30 15:16:29 2011 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:16:29 -0400 Subject: opening four gnome-terminals into pre-defined positions In-Reply-To: <4D9324B0.9010404-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4D9324B0.9010404@alteeve.com> Message-ID: You could always start them, adjust their position then save the Gnome session. It's not really a script, but the end result is the same. On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:40, Digimer wrote: > Hi all, > > ?When working on certain projects, I like to open four gnome-terminal > windows in a particular pattern. Specifically; > > 1. 80x25, anchored to the top-left of the screen > 2. 120x25, anchored to the top-right of the screen > 3. 80x25, anchored to the bottom-left of the screen > 4. 120x25, anchored to the bottom-right of the screen > > ?Is this scriptable or some other way automateable? I find it quite the > hassle to always have to spawn/resize/move the four windows every time I > start my computer. > > It's Fedora 14, though I suspect that matters less. > > Thanks! > > -- > Digimer > E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org > AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com > Node Assassin: ?http://nodeassassin.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From michaelgalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 30 21:42:09 2011 From: michaelgalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A at public.gmane.org (Michael Galea) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:42:09 -0400 Subject: the laptop where time stops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D93A3B1.70006@ruggedcom.com> On 30/03/11 07:17 AM, Giles Orr wrote: > This is a strange problem. > > I have a laptop that runs an "at" job to play music with mpg321 every > morning and wake me up. The last three days, it's played about a > minute and a half of the first song (it's set to play three randomly > selected) and it just ... stops. When I get up and press a key on the > keyboard - which also wakes up the screen - the music playback > resumes. There's nothing in /var/log/messages. This morning I > deliberately waited 2 minutes by another clock in the room, then > pressed the key - and verified that the time on the laptop was two > minutes slower than it should have been. Apparently time stops during > the break in music playback. > > I can replace the laptop if I have to (it's very old), but it wouldn't > be my first choice. Among other things, it's exhibited no other > strange behaviours. Any thoughts on how to debug this or what might > be going on? > I do something like this with music in my kitchen, the speakers of which are connected to a loooong cat5 cable which I re-purposed to connect to the sound card on my firewall. The firewall generates playscripts which kick in at different times of the day to play my wife's music or mine. Hint: Mine always plays during dish washing time. The system is fully CGI enabled through perl scripts on the firewall and provide album based, day of week specific ordered and randomized playlists. I also support queuing up of songs (my daughter uses that). I put the system in place back in 2002 and kind of forgot about it, but use it every night. Anyway, here is the active part that pokes it head out. It background by cron started by cron at 6:00 PM > # > # Script for /var/cache/songlist/Michael.mp3script > # > # - DO NOT EDIT, This file is machine generated... > # Generated Wed Mar 30 00:01:01 EDT 2011 > # > function _exit() # function to run upon exit of shell > { > /usr/bin/pkill mpg321 1> /dev/null 2>/dev/null > } > trap _exit EXIT > > function interleave() { > [ -e "/var/cache/songlist/interleave" ] || return > song=`head -n 1 /var/cache/songlist/interleave` > if [ -z "$song" ]; then > rm /var/cache/songlist/interleave > return > fi > > # Grab everything after the first entry > tail -n +2 /var/cache/songlist/interleave > /var/cache/songlist/interleave.new > mv /var/cache/songlist/interleave.new /var/cache/songlist/interleave > [ -e "$song" ] || return > > /usr/bin/mpg321 "$song" 1>/dev/null 2>/dev/null > > interleave > } > > while [ 1 ] > do > /usr/bin/mpg321 "/opt/backups/opt/albums/Roxy_Music/Bryan_Ferry_&_Roxy_Music_-_Love_Is_The_Drug.mp3" 1>/dev/null 2>/dev/null > interleave > /usr/bin/mpg321 "/opt/backups/opt/albums/Downloads/Offspring_-_Come_Out_And_Play.mp3" 1>/dev/null 2>/dev/null > interleave > /usr/bin/mpg321 "/opt/backups/opt/albums/Downloads/Soft_Cell_-_Tainted_Love.mp3" 1>/dev/null 2>/dev/null > ... > several thousand songs later > ... > sleep 1 > done > exit 1 I am using mpg321 0.2.12-1 from Debian testing. -- Michael Galea Now Reading: Anansi Boys By Neil Gaiman Steppenwolf By Hermann Hesse Four Laws That Drive the Universe By Peter Atkins -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 31 01:13:04 2011 From: sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org (sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:13:04 -0400 Subject: Linux on an HP TX2 Message-ID: <837adda51b39f57ce605637a43b480e1.squirrel@mail.vex.net> Hello TLUGers: Wondering if anyone knows more about Linux on a HP TX2 TouchSmart than I do: I have Linux installed on a 16GB USB stick, (12 GB System + 4 GB swap) to conserve the system on the hard drive, and to try out how the USB boots up. So, I did it and it boots fine. There are some limitations: The buttons on the side of the screen do not change the screen orientation. Flipping the laptop screen in tablet mode does not change the screen orientation (it is supposed to flip the display upside-down). The pen is almost useless. It seems to be always in select mode, with no way to turn it off, unless I take the pen away and tap the screen with my finger. My finger works as a "mouse", except like the pen it is in select mode. The difference is that a tap can toggle select mode also. The fingerprint scanner appears to have no known driver. Any ideas? Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 31 01:40:23 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:40:23 -0400 Subject: Linux on an HP TX2 In-Reply-To: <837adda51b39f57ce605637a43b480e1.squirrel-41R2vWz+eC7k1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org> References: <837adda51b39f57ce605637a43b480e1.squirrel@mail.vex.net> Message-ID: i have same. been a while since i played with it, but basically the pen seems to work ok, but when i flip screen via X setting (not by flip detect), it tracks the pen as it its the other orientation, so it was completely useless. also there wasn't a hand writing / letter writing widget (at time) that i could find for linux that was as good as the MS vista one, however vista blows so bad on this device. If you can get something to work , let me know. I may try new linux mint on it see if it handles it any better. i seem to remember pen and click working well, just only in original orientation. I can boot it up and send you module info,etc if you can't get any further. I remember having to install some special packages (.debs) from somewhere if i remember correctly. I found bigger issue with it was not having a good handwriting widget, i only found one for linux that was individual character drawing, and not full handwriting analysis, in addition on vista the widget was pretty handy to pull out and put away. tl On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:13 PM, wrote: > Hello TLUGers: > > Wondering if anyone knows more about Linux on a HP TX2 TouchSmart than I do: > > I have Linux installed on a 16GB USB stick, (12 GB System + 4 GB swap) to > conserve the system on the hard drive, and to try out how the USB boots > up. So, I did it and it boots fine. There are some limitations: > > The buttons on the side of the screen do not change the screen orientation. > > Flipping the laptop screen in tablet mode does not change the screen > orientation (it is supposed to flip the display upside-down). > > The pen is almost useless. It seems to be always in select mode, with no > way to turn it off, unless I take the pen away and tap the screen with my > finger. > > My finger works as a "mouse", except like the pen it is in select mode. > The difference is that a tap can toggle select mode also. > > The fingerprint scanner appears to have no known driver. > > Any ideas? > > Paul King > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andmalc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 31 01:59:55 2011 From: andmalc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrew Malcolmson) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:59:55 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For everyone's information, Rogers has discontinued HTC. Rogers & other carriers are supposedly getting the Nexus S (made by Samsung, not HTC) next month. Later on there will be new Sony Eriksson Android phones as well. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 31 09:46:59 2011 From: sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org (sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:46:59 -0400 Subject: Linux on an HP TX2 In-Reply-To: References: <837adda51b39f57ce605637a43b480e1.squirrel@mail.vex.net> Message-ID: <4ad49f71ebd71cac54c7952a4ea30899.squirrel@mail.vex.net> > i have same. been a while since i played with it, but basically the > pen seems to work ok, but when i flip screen via X setting (not by > flip detect), > it tracks the pen as it its the other orientation, so it was > completely useless. Apparently, from what I have read this is because the worng driver is installed. I am using Maverick Meerkat (Ubuntu 10.10, I think), which purportedly works with the TX2 "out of the box". Well, I don't consider the current state of affairs as "working", exactly. > also there wasn't a hand writing / letter writing > widget (at time) that i could find > for linux that was as good as the MS vista one, however vista blows so > bad on this device. If you can get something to work , let me know. I don't know when you obtained the laptop, but there was supposed to be some kind of a deal where you could get a Windows 7 upgrade from HP free of charge, which I took advantage of. W7 is pretty good. Just that the kids at Future Shop who did a recent repair (requiring a HD replacement and a system reinstall) couldn't get the fingerprint scanner to work after reinstalling W7. A few other things began to go funny on it also. > I may try new linux mint on it see if it handles it any better. i > seem to remember pen and click working well, just only in original > orientation. I prefer Ubuntu, since they are making headway into touchscreen technologies in an active way these days. But according to the forums, you still need to do a fair bit of work (not all of it do-able in my experience) to get full functionality. > I can boot it up and send you module info,etc if you can't get any > further. I remember having to install some special packages (.debs) > from somewhere if > i remember correctly. > I found bigger issue with it was not having a good handwriting > widget, i only found one for linux that was individual character > drawing, and not > full handwriting analysis, in addition on vista the widget was pretty > handy to pull out and put away. There are apps that replace Windows Journal: Gournal (won't install on my system), and xournal (does install, writing works to a degree with a lot of stray strokes seemingly arising from the select mode problem). I use MS Journal extensively, and would use Ubuntu and xournal if the drivers were working properly. In many cases, they won't compile (I got an error once (I forget the app or driver I was compiling for) that said on running the configure script that a package called "x11" was missing! I was pretty amazed, albeit in a negative way). > > tl > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:13 PM, wrote: >> Hello TLUGers: >> >> Wondering if anyone knows more about Linux on a HP TX2 TouchSmart than I >> do: >> >> I have Linux installed on a 16GB USB stick, (12 GB System + 4 GB swap) >> to >> conserve the system on the hard drive, and to try out how the USB boots >> up. So, I did it and it boots fine. There are some limitations: >> >> The buttons on the side of the screen do not change the screen >> orientation. >> >> Flipping the laptop screen in tablet mode does not change the screen >> orientation (it is supposed to flip the display upside-down). >> >> The pen is almost useless. It seems to be always in select mode, with no >> way to turn it off, unless I take the pen away and tap the screen with >> my >> finger. >> >> My finger works as a "mouse", except like the pen it is in select mode. >> The difference is that a tap can toggle select mode also. >> >> The fingerprint scanner appears to have no known driver. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Paul King >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 31 14:35:15 2011 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:35:15 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 30 March 2011 21:59, Andrew Malcolmson wrote: > For everyone's information, Rogers has discontinued HTC. > > Rogers & other carriers are supposedly getting the Nexus S (made by > Samsung, not HTC) next month. ?Later on there will be new Sony > Eriksson Android phones as well. Interesting reading for anyone considering Samsung products. http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/sec/2011/040411sec1.html It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 31 14:53:46 2011 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:53:46 -0400 Subject: the laptop where time stops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D94957A.5000601@gmail.com> On 3/30/2011 7:17 AM, Giles Orr wrote: > pressed the key - and verified that the time on the laptop was two > minutes slower than it should have been. Apparently time stops during > the break in music playback. If a userland app is freezing the system clock, then it must be something at kernel level. Maybe roll back any kernel updates or module updates, or... try a kernel update. It's strange to me that the clock would stop but the keyboard would still work. Did you wait two minutes after the music stopped? or did you wait two minutes after the music started? The only other things I can think to try to help diagnose this would be: - a different music player - external USB speakers - disable the automatic power management features on the laptop, including screen blanking and/or maybe your screensaver Is it the power management screen blanking on your display or is it a screensaver? If it is a screensaver, does the screensaver use 3d? Another thought... a lazy alarm to get the machine to do something audible without the sound card might be to echo ctrl-G to the terminal in a while loop with a sleep. Using such an alarm instead of the music would help narrow the problem down. (Ensure the user running the cron has write access to /dev/console.) #!/bin/bash alarm=120 while [ "$alarm" -gt "0" ] do echo -e "\a" >> /dev/console sleep 1 alarm=$(( alarm - 1 )) done -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 31 15:03:16 2011 From: instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (aaron d) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:03:16 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you read the article? They have an update at the very top. It did play out: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002133.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunked/ http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/samsung-keylogger-is-a-gfi-vipre-antivirus-false-positive/12128 That article is just a really weak piece of "journalism" to drive traffic. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Giles Orr wrote: > > > Interesting reading for anyone considering Samsung products. > > http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/sec/2011/040411sec1.html > > It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 31 15:28:29 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:28:29 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Giles Orr wrote: > > Interesting reading for anyone considering Samsung products. > http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/sec/2011/040411sec1.html Even if it was debunked, the PC and phone divisions of Samsung Electronics are likely quite different. The organization of Samsung is utterly baroque - they make everything from RAM to refineries. Their construction division alone has subsidiaries in urban streetwear (Fubu), bakeries (they make a superb green tea castella) and small electronics (the brand's Pleomax - apparently set up when Samsung Electronics wouldn't supply Samsung C&T with peripherals at a decent price). cheers, Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ - 73 de VA3PID -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 31 15:42:42 2011 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:42:42 -0400 Subject: "safe" android phone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 31 March 2011 11:03, aaron d wrote: > Did you read the article? They have an update at the very top. It did play > out: > http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071 > http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002133.html > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/samsung_keylogger_rumour_debunked/ > http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/samsung-keylogger-is-a-gfi-vipre-antivirus-false-positive/12128 > > That article is just a really weak piece of "journalism" to drive traffic. > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Giles Orr wrote: >> >> Interesting reading for anyone considering Samsung products. >> >> http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/sec/2011/040411sec1.html >> >> It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Yes, I did read the article. And the updates still said "under investigation" when I last checked. This, however, is more conclusive: https://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/samsung-keylogger-case-turns-out-be-false-positive-033111 -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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