From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 08:13:21 2011 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 04:13:21 -0400 Subject: Somethings Up with my Evolution Install ?? In-Reply-To: <1306647053.3504.12.camel@jimslaptop> References: <1306647053.3504.12.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <1306916001.12379.17.camel@jimslaptop> > Wondering if anyone has any thoughts. Lately in Evolution I have been > getting corrupted attachments. Also I have seen strange strings appear > in emails ie. 000727b4-0010t . As well I have seen the content of > emails disappearing after I look at it and go back to it? This is very > strange. I only noticed it after updating to Ubuntu 11.04 but that may > be a coincidence. Any thoughts as to what is going on with my Evolution > install? Thanks . > Jim I'm still looking for a solution to this. Today I opened a pdf attachment I received, then closed it. Next time I went to the email and tried to open the attachment again a message came up saying the PDF was corrupted and couldn't be opened?? Anyone have any ideas whats going on here. Just wondering if it could be a hard drive issue rather than Evolution? I haven't seen such weirdness with other programs however. Thanks for any thoughts. Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 11:39:39 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 07:39:39 -0400 Subject: System Admin. Message-ID: Hakan: I'm not in a position to take this on at present, but I am forwarding it on to others who might be interested. Colin McGregor On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Hakan Dumanli wrote: > Hi Cindy, > Thank you for your email. I am copying to Colin, he may be able to help on > this. > > Regards, > Hakan Dumanli PMP, CISSP, CSSGB > +1.416.617.3872 > > ________________________________ > From: Cindy Watral > To: Hakan Dumanli > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 12:20:26 PM > Subject: (no subject) > > To Hakan, > > We have an excellent?full time opportunity available for a Senior Linux > Administrator.? Our client is based in downtown T.O. and are looking for > someone with experience as an Administator in a Linux (Redhat or Solaris) > environment?and scripting.? I've pasted the job description below so take a > look and if you are interested, send me your resume and we'll go from > there.? I look forward to hearing from you!? 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 12:23:00 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 08:23:00 -0400 Subject: Somethings Up with my Evolution Install ?? In-Reply-To: <1306916001.12379.17.camel@jimslaptop> References: <1306647053.3504.12.camel@jimslaptop> <1306916001.12379.17.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 4:13 AM, jim wrote: > > > Wondering if anyone has any thoughts. Lately in Evolution I have been > > getting corrupted attachments. Also I have seen strange strings appear > > in emails ie. 000727b4-0010t . As well I have seen the content of > > emails disappearing after I look at it and go back to it? This is very > > strange. I only noticed it after updating to Ubuntu 11.04 but that may > > be a coincidence. Any thoughts as to what is going on with my Evolution > > install? Thanks . > > Jim > I'm still looking for a solution to this. Today I opened a pdf > attachment I received, then closed it. Next time I went to the email and > tried to open the attachment again a message came up saying the PDF was > corrupted and couldn't be opened?? Anyone have any ideas whats going on > here. Just wondering if it could be a hard drive issue rather than > Evolution? I haven't seen such weirdness with other programs however. > Thanks for any thoughts. Well, if you try using another mail client to read your mail and this does not happen, then it is likely Evolution misbehaving. In that case, you would be better off asking on the Evolution mailing list or forum. I could be completely wrong, but I don't think many people on here use Evolution regularly. I do not recall seeing any discussions of Evolution in years. I think GMail has taken over ;) You may sign up for the Evo mailing list here: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 12:56:50 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 08:56:50 -0400 Subject: Byron Sonne In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DE63712.6060400@gmail.com> There is a small Maclean's article by Jesse Brown: http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/05/17/byron-sonne-gets-bail-finally/ Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 15:19:22 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:19:22 -0400 Subject: Computer repair/assembly in Etobicoke? Message-ID: I usually went to this guy down on Lakeshore for hardware stuff that I could not handle myself. Now they are 'web only'. Wonderful. Anyone know a place in Etobicoke that is good for this stuff? Alternatively, can someone show me how to install a motherboard? Thanks! -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 15:45:33 2011 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:45:33 -0400 Subject: Somethings Up with my Evolution Install ?? In-Reply-To: References: <1306647053.3504.12.camel@jimslaptop> <1306916001.12379.17.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <1306943133.12379.26.camel@jimslaptop> > > > I'm still looking for a solution to this. Today I opened a pdf > attachment I received, then closed it. Next time I went to the > email and > tried to open the attachment again a message came up saying > the PDF was > corrupted and couldn't be opened?? Anyone have any ideas whats > going on > here. Just wondering if it could be a hard drive issue rather > than > Evolution? I haven't seen such weirdness with other programs > however. > Thanks for any thoughts. > > > Well, if you try using another mail client to read your mail and this > does not happen, then it is likely Evolution misbehaving. In that > case, you would be better off asking on the Evolution mailing list or > forum. I could be completely wrong, but I don't think many people on > here use Evolution regularly. I do not recall seeing any discussions > of Evolution in years. I think GMail has taken over ;) > > > You may sign up for the Evo mailing list here: > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list Thanks Thomas, I asked on that list a couple of days ago but no takers. I really prefer to use a client to Gmail so I can look at stuff offline when travelling etc. Maybe time to move to another client though Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 17:19:36 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:19:36 -0400 Subject: Computer repair/assembly in Etobicoke? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110601171936.GQ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 11:19:22AM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > I usually went to this guy down on Lakeshore for hardware stuff that I could > not handle myself. Now they are 'web only'. Wonderful. > > Anyone know a place in Etobicoke that is good for this stuff? > > Alternatively, can someone show me how to install a motherboard? http://www.kitchentablecomputers.com/assemble3.php Seems well written. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 17:23:05 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:23:05 -0400 Subject: Computer repair/assembly in Etobicoke? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Thomas Milne wrote: > I usually went to this guy down on Lakeshore for hardware stuff that I could > not handle myself. Now they are 'web only'. Wonderful. > Anyone know a place in Etobicoke that is good for this stuff? > Alternatively, can someone show me how to install a motherboard? Here is what I had to say about motherboard replacement a few years ago: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8219 Colin. > Thanks! > > -- > Thomas Milne > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 17:25:46 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:25:46 -0400 Subject: Computer repair/assembly in Etobicoke? In-Reply-To: <20110601171936.GQ21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110601171936.GQ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 11:19:22AM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > I usually went to this guy down on Lakeshore for hardware stuff that I > could > > not handle myself. Now they are 'web only'. Wonderful. > > > > Anyone know a place in Etobicoke that is good for this stuff? > > > > Alternatively, can someone show me how to install a motherboard? > > http://www.kitchentablecomputers.com/assemble3.php > > Seems well written. > > It is very well-written. I understand the process logically, but there a couple of things that the motherboard manual does not explain that are completely opaque to me. For one, the case has these wires that connect to the motherboard for the power switch and for audio, and I cannot figure out where they are supposed to go. The other thing is that I might even be doing something wrong from the get-go. I want to try a motherboard I've had lying around for a few years, an Asus M2V. I can't even tell if this board will work with this case... -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 17:50:27 2011 From: adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:50:27 -0400 Subject: Somethings Up with my Evolution Install ?? In-Reply-To: <1306916001.12379.17.camel@jimslaptop> References: <1306647053.3504.12.camel@jimslaptop> <1306916001.12379.17.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <20110601175027.GD22558@adb.ca> jim wrote: > I'm still looking for a solution to this. Today I opened a pdf > attachment I received, then closed it. Next time I went to the email and > tried to open the attachment again a message came up saying the PDF was > corrupted and couldn't be opened?? Anyone have any ideas whats going on > here. Just wondering if it could be a hard drive issue rather than > Evolution? I haven't seen such weirdness with other programs however. It's possible that it's corruption due to dodgy hardware (a memory error, a hard drive corrupting data, a flaky cable somewhere), though usually you'd see evidence from other programs as well. Memtest86 is the traditional thing for making sure the RAM is good. I have seen files have bitrot over time, or on copy; a filesystem like ZFS that does checksums internally, or a sysadmin like myself being paranoid and tracking checksums on files, can catch that. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 18:58:12 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:58:12 -0400 Subject: Computer repair/assembly in Etobicoke? In-Reply-To: References: <20110601171936.GQ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110601185812.GR21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 01:25:46PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Lennart Sorensen < > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 11:19:22AM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > > I usually went to this guy down on Lakeshore for hardware stuff that I > > could > > > not handle myself. Now they are 'web only'. Wonderful. > > > > > > Anyone know a place in Etobicoke that is good for this stuff? > > > > > > Alternatively, can someone show me how to install a motherboard? > > > > http://www.kitchentablecomputers.com/assemble3.php > > > > Seems well written. > > > > > It is very well-written. I understand the process logically, but there a > couple of things that the motherboard manual does not explain that are > completely opaque to me. For one, the case has these wires that connect to > the motherboard for the power switch and for audio, and I cannot figure out > where they are supposed to go. The other thing is that I might even be doing > something wrong from the get-go. I want to try a motherboard I've had lying > around for a few years, an Asus M2V. I can't even tell if this board will > work with this case... There should be a 2 x 10 pin connector, usually at the bottom front corner of the motherboard. This is where those all connect, in a rather horrible manner. Probably the worst connector left in a PC these days. The manual will tell you which of the pins is what, and often they are labeled on the board too (in microscopic print of course). I believe that board came with a q-connector, which actually makes it a bit easier. In that case you can connect all the cables to the q-connector which is pretty nicely labeled, and then attach the q-connector to the white connector on the mainboard. A lot less fiddly. When installing, the white wire is negative, the coloured wire is positive. This matters for LEDs, but not for power and reset switches. All you really need is HD/IDE LED, power LED, power switch, and if you have one, reset switch. Anything else (like message LED some cases had) isn't useful. Some people like the case speaker hooked up too I guess. The pins for each is in the manual on page 2-29 (section 10 of chapter 2) as far as I can tell. If the case is ATX (it has the rectangular metal plate with holes for various ports that are on the motherboard), then it will work. You need the plate that came with the board to put in the cutout in the case. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 18:58:56 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:58:56 -0400 Subject: Somethings Up with my Evolution Install ?? In-Reply-To: <20110601175027.GD22558-SACILpcuo74@public.gmane.org> References: <1306647053.3504.12.camel@jimslaptop> <1306916001.12379.17.camel@jimslaptop> <20110601175027.GD22558@adb.ca> Message-ID: <20110601185856.GS21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 01:50:27PM -0400, Anthony de Boer wrote: > It's possible that it's corruption due to dodgy hardware (a memory > error, a hard drive corrupting data, a flaky cable somewhere), > though usually you'd see evidence from other programs as well. > > Memtest86 is the traditional thing for making sure the RAM is good. Memtest86 is the traditional thing for making sure the ram is bad. It can never tell you if it is good. > I have seen files have bitrot over time, or on copy; a filesystem like > ZFS that does checksums internally, or a sysadmin like myself being > paranoid and tracking checksums on files, can catch that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 19:52:44 2011 From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:52:44 -0400 Subject: Fwd: First stable of Mageia is out! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Anybody thinking of giving this a try? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Anne nicolas Date: Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:24 PM Subject: [Mageia-announce] First stable of Mageia is out! To: mageia-announce-odJJhXpcy38dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org Hi all Finally release is out and in time! First of all thanks all for the hard work during these 8 months. I guess Mageia community (packagers, admins, translators, testers, artwork) can be proud of this final release. Still some improvments are needed in different part of the project but at leat Mageia distribution is out and ready for final users. Some links for more information http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/ http://mageia.org/en/downloads/ http://mageia.org/en/1/notes/ Enjoy this release and see you for Mageia 2 :) Cheers -- Anne http://www.mageia.org _______________________________________________ Mageia-announce mailing list Mageia-announce-odJJhXpcy38dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-announce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 20:03:12 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 16:03:12 -0400 Subject: Fwd: First stable of Mageia is out! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110601200312.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 03:52:44PM -0400, Sadiq Saif wrote: > Anybody thinking of giving this a try? I really can't imagine ever going back to an RPM based system. I thought all the cool new distributions were Debian derived anyhow, rather than yet another incompatible RPM system. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 20:08:23 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 16:08:23 -0400 Subject: Fwd: First stable of Mageia is out! In-Reply-To: <20110601200312.GT21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110601200312.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DE69C37.7060705@alteeve.com> On 06/01/2011 04:03 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 03:52:44PM -0400, Sadiq Saif wrote: >> Anybody thinking of giving this a try? > > I really can't imagine ever going back to an RPM based system. I thought > all the cool new distributions were Debian derived anyhow, rather than > yet another incompatible RPM system. > o_O? I've had no troubles on RPM (Fedora) for about a year now, having migrated away from Ubuntu. -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Freenode handle: digimer Papers and Projects: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org "I feel confined, only free to expand myself within boundaries." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 20:16:17 2011 From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 16:16:17 -0400 Subject: Fwd: First stable of Mageia is out! In-Reply-To: <20110601200312.GT21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110601200312.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Yeah, I'm very much a Debian guy myself (first distro was Ubuntu 8.04), but I also really like Arch Linux's package management system Pacman and to a an extent yaourt. I'm not sure what you mean by a RPM system being incompatible On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 03:52:44PM -0400, Sadiq Saif wrote: > > Anybody thinking of giving this a try? > > I really can't imagine ever going back to an RPM based system. I thought > all the cool new distributions were Debian derived anyhow, rather than > yet another incompatible RPM system. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Sadiq S http://asininetech.com https://launchpad.net/~staticsafe https://github.com/staticsafe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I thought > >all the cool new distributions were Debian derived anyhow, rather than > >yet another incompatible RPM system. > > > > o_O? > > I've had no troubles on RPM (Fedora) for about a year now, having > migrated away from Ubuntu. Well Ubuntu was never being considered usable by me. No one with fixed release dates will ever get it right. It is overall a disaster. I used redhat from 2.0 to 6.2 and gave up on it because the quality was going seriously downhill. Fedora certainly has NOT improved on that, nor does it claim to. Fedora is a development system for RHEL, and makes no claims to be anything else. I will stick with Debian, which is what I moved to from redhat. It works very well, releases when ready, and accepts input from users and is completely transparent. Very few other distributions are (a few are though). Debian's unstable branch puts many stable releases of other distributions to shame in terms of reliability. Most RPM systems are lousy at upgrading (I am still not sure why they haven't got this part right yet), at least compared to Debian. The spec file systax for making RPM packages is horible. Debian's source package system is vastly prettier, easier to use and much more flexible to work with. Debian also has more packages in its archives than any other distribution. Perhaps that should be postfixed with a "that I know off" but I highly doubt I need to. If you want to see what Ubuntu should have been, look at Mint Linux. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 20:20:42 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 16:20:42 -0400 Subject: Fwd: First stable of Mageia is out! In-Reply-To: References: <20110601200312.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110601202042.GV21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 04:16:17PM -0400, Sadiq Saif wrote: > Yeah, I'm very much a Debian guy myself (first distro was Ubuntu 8.04), but > I also really like Arch Linux's package management system Pacman and to a an > extent yaourt. > > I'm not sure what you mean by a RPM system being incompatible Trying to install packages from mandriva on redhat or suse or whatever else or vice versa generally isn't a good idea. For .deb based systems it is extremely rare to have it not work perfectly. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 20:22:03 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 20:22:03 +0000 Subject: Fwd: First stable of Mageia is out! In-Reply-To: References: <20110601200312.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Sadiq Saif wrote: > I'm not sure what you mean by a RPM system being incompatible Well, rpm corresponds to dpkg, but that's only providing coverage of the shallowest part of "package management," namely: - Building a package, and - Installing it. The tooling that surrounds dpkg goes *WAY* further than that. See -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 20:25:52 2011 From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 16:25:52 -0400 Subject: Fwd: First stable of Mageia is out! In-Reply-To: References: <20110601200312.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Thanks for the link, and to Lennart for clearing that up. On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Sadiq Saif wrote: > > I'm not sure what you mean by a RPM system being incompatible > > Well, rpm corresponds to dpkg, but that's only providing coverage of > the shallowest part of "package management," namely: > - Building a package, and > - Installing it. > > The tooling that surrounds dpkg goes *WAY* further than that. See > > -- > When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the > question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Sadiq S http://asininetech.com https://launchpad.net/~staticsafe https://github.com/staticsafe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 20:29:04 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 16:29:04 -0400 Subject: Computer repair/assembly in Etobicoke? In-Reply-To: <20110601185812.GR21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110601171936.GQ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110601185812.GR21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 01:25:46PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Lennart Sorensen < > > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 11:19:22AM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > > > I usually went to this guy down on Lakeshore for hardware stuff that > I > > > could > > > > not handle myself. Now they are 'web only'. Wonderful. > > > > > > > > Anyone know a place in Etobicoke that is good for this stuff? > > > > > > > > Alternatively, can someone show me how to install a motherboard? > > > > > > http://www.kitchentablecomputers.com/assemble3.php > > > > > > Seems well written. > > > > > > > > It is very well-written. I understand the process logically, but there a > > couple of things that the motherboard manual does not explain that are > > completely opaque to me. For one, the case has these wires that connect > to > > the motherboard for the power switch and for audio, and I cannot figure > out > > where they are supposed to go. The other thing is that I might even be > doing > > something wrong from the get-go. I want to try a motherboard I've had > lying > > around for a few years, an Asus M2V. I can't even tell if this board will > > work with this case... > > There should be a 2 x 10 pin connector, usually at the bottom front > corner of the motherboard. This is where those all connect, in a rather > horrible manner. Probably the worst connector left in a PC these days. > > Jeez, yeah, I see what you mean. About it being bad. But I guess if you get it wrong it just means the computer won't turn on, right? > The manual will tell you which of the pins is what, and often they are > labeled on the board too (in microscopic print of course). > > I believe that board came with a q-connector, which actually makes > it a bit easier. In that case you can connect all the cables to > the q-connector which is pretty nicely labeled, and then attach the > q-connector to the white connector on the mainboard. A lot less fiddly. > > Okay, so THAT's what that is. Yes, I have that, and now I see that in the manual as well. My mistake was that I looked in the case manual for where to put the wires that are connected to the case, but I should have been looking in the M2V manual. > When installing, the white wire is negative, the coloured wire is > positive. This matters for LEDs, but not for power and reset switches. > All you really need is HD/IDE LED, power LED, power switch, and if you > have one, reset switch. Anything else (like message LED some cases had) > isn't useful. Some people like the case speaker hooked up too I guess. > > I guess my case doesn't have a speaker. The only wires I have are Power SW, Power LED +, Power LED -, and HDD LED. Never even thought about a speaker. I don't think I'll miss the beep. > The pins for each is in the manual on page 2-29 (section 10 of chapter 2) > as far as I can tell. > > If the case is ATX (it has the rectangular metal plate with holes for > various ports that are on the motherboard), then it will work. You need > the plate that came with the board to put in the cutout in the case. > > Yup, got that. Once I overcame my fear of destroying the motherboard (it's old), I got it in there okay. It fits so _exactly_, the case manufacturer is to be commended (Antec). I think I've got pretty much everything hooked up now, but I just realized I'm missing one very important thing: thermal paste. D'oh! I'll have to wait before I try booting this thing up. I'm putting in a Sempron (remember those?) processor, that way if I do totally blow it and fry everything, I haven't lost as much. Many thanks for the walkthrough :) -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 21:02:16 2011 From: solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (solarflow99) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 17:02:16 -0400 Subject: Fwd: First stable of Mageia is out! In-Reply-To: <20110601201841.GU21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110601200312.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DE69C37.7060705@alteeve.com> <20110601201841.GU21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: > I used redhat from 2.0 to 6.2 and gave up on it because the quality was > going seriously downhill. Fedora certainly has NOT improved on that, > nor does it claim to. Fedora is a development system for RHEL, and > makes no claims to be anything else. > > Should have tried 7.3 onwards, they had to clean up their act. Now that fedora is up to 15, its come a long ways too, I use it just fine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 21:05:40 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 17:05:40 -0400 Subject: Computer repair/assembly in Etobicoke? In-Reply-To: References: <20110601171936.GQ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110601185812.GR21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110601210540.GW21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 04:29:04PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > Jeez, yeah, I see what you mean. About it being bad. But I guess if you get > it wrong it just means the computer won't turn on, right? In most cases yes. If you connect the reset button to where the LED should be then you are shorting something when you hit the button, but since there should a resistor in the circuit with the LED output, it probably won't really do anything bad. It isn't really very hard to do, it's just a lousy design. > Okay, so THAT's what that is. Yes, I have that, and now I see that in the > manual as well. My mistake was that I looked in the case manual for where to > put the wires that are connected to the case, but I should have been looking > in the M2V manual. Yes. The motherboard manual covers that. > > I guess my case doesn't have a speaker. The only wires I have are Power SW, > Power LED +, Power LED -, and HDD LED. Never even thought about a speaker. I > don't think I'll miss the beep. Some cases have them, some don't anymore. If the case doesn't have one, don't worry about it. Reset switches seem pretty obsolete too. > Yup, got that. Once I overcame my fear of destroying the motherboard (it's > old), I got it in there okay. It fits so _exactly_, the case manufacturer is > to be commended (Antec). I think I've got pretty much everything hooked up > now, but I just realized I'm missing one very important thing: thermal > paste. D'oh! I'll have to wait before I try booting this thing up. Yeah you do want some of that. I mainly get worried when handling the $300+ CPUs wiht the new sockets. I think the worst I have handled was a $2500 fiber channel PCI card. Fortunately no one told me the price until after I was done installing it. > I'm putting in a Sempron (remember those?) processor, that way if I do > totally blow it and fry everything, I haven't lost as much. The sempron is new enough that at worst it will turn itself off if it got too hot. > Many thanks for the walkthrough :) No problem. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 21:09:15 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 17:09:15 -0400 Subject: Fwd: First stable of Mageia is out! In-Reply-To: References: <20110601200312.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DE69C37.7060705@alteeve.com> <20110601201841.GU21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110601210915.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 05:02:16PM -0400, solarflow99 wrote: > Should have tried 7.3 onwards, they had to clean up their act. Now that > fedora is up to 15, its come a long ways too, I use it just fine. They even ignored bug reports from users that included obvious patches. Fedora like Ubuntu thinks fixed release schedules are a good idea, and throws in stuff that is far from ready for use. It also still doesn't reliably upgrade in place while in use. I can't go back to something so primitive. The gcc 2.96 mess in rehdat 7 and other things like that really made me have no interest in anything released by redhat. Having just looked at a .spec file again I really don't want to go back to that. Ewww! -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 22:19:19 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 18:19:19 -0400 Subject: Computer repair/assembly in Etobicoke? In-Reply-To: <20110601210540.GW21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110601171936.GQ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110601185812.GR21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110601210540.GW21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DE6BAE7.3070507@gmail.com> On 01/06/11 17:05, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 04:29:04PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: ------------------- snip ---------------------------------------- >>> I guess my case doesn't have a speaker. The only wires I have are >>> Power SW, Power LED +, Power LED -, and HDD LED. Never even >>> thought about a speaker. I don't think I'll miss the beep. > > Some cases have them, some don't anymore. If the case doesn't have > one, don't worry about it. Reset switches seem pretty obsolete too. ----------------------------------- snip -------------------------- I thought the BIOS system used beeps to indicate certain error conditions? Anyhow if the MB has onboard audio, why is there even a need for a connection to a speaker? Won't a speaker connected to the onboard audio catch the beeps? Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 22:58:06 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 18:58:06 -0400 Subject: Computer repair/assembly in Etobicoke? In-Reply-To: <4DE6BAE7.3070507-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110601171936.GQ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110601185812.GR21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110601210540.GW21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DE6BAE7.3070507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110601225806.GY21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 06:19:19PM -0400, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > I thought the BIOS system used beeps to indicate certain error > conditions? Anyhow if the MB has onboard audio, why is there even a > need for a connection to a speaker? Won't a speaker connected to the > onboard audio catch the beeps? Not usually. Some boards yes, but not all. The PC speaker is an old simple interface that is very easy to use from early BIOS code, unlike a sound card. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 1 22:59:16 2011 From: jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Miles) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 18:59:16 -0400 Subject: RAID/HDD 'identify' LED - how to activate In-Reply-To: <20110530164934.GO21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110530164934.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Thank you - yes, you are correct, no enclosure device detected. ... I miss my xSeries.... John. On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:08:22PM -0400, John Miles wrote: > > Here is the scenario > > I have a Supermicro 5025M-2U with a 3Ware 9650SE 8 port controller and a > > Western Digital WDC WD1002FBYS-02A6B0 disk in it that is reporting an > error. > > > > The 3Ware CLI tool 'tw_cli' has a feature that would allow me to set the > > 'identify' LED to on or off. > > Unfortunately, I don't think I am able to turn this lovely light on, as > the > > device's "Identify Status = N/A". > > > > /cx/px set identify=on|off (9550SX and 9590SE only) > > This command sets the LED status of the port. If the identify is set > to > > on, the firmware activates the setting of the corresponding LED of the > port. > > If the setting of the configuration for LED is blinking for identify=on, > > this will blink the LED of the port. > > > > ****** Note: Enclosure services hardware is also required. ******* > > > > Example: > > > > //localhost> /c0/p5 set identify=on > > > > Setting Port Identify on /c0/p5 to [on] ... Done. > > > > I guess, I need to determine if I have 'enclosure service hardware' > > Do you have a hotswap cage with LEDs on it? If not, then you don't > have that. > > > Does anyone have anything to suggest I try to determing if I have > 'enclosure > > service hardware'? > > (not sure what to look for in say, dmesg for that info) > > For example: > dmesg | grep scsi > [ 1.742035] scsi0 : ServeRAID > [ 1.742465] scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ServeRA MAIN > V1.0 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 > [ 1.753173] scsi 0:1:0:0: Direct-Access ST375064 0NS > .AEP PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 > [ 1.766582] scsi 0:1:1:0: Direct-Access ST375064 0NS > .AEP PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 > [ 1.785141] scsi 0:1:2:0: Direct-Access ST375064 0NS > .AEP PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 > [ 1.802008] scsi 0:1:3:0: Direct-Access ST375064 0NS > .AEP PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 > [ 1.864640] scsi: waiting for bus probes to complete ... > [ 1.870021] scsi 0:3:0:0: Enclosure IBM-ESXS VSC7160 > 1.07 PQ: 0 ANSI: 3 > > That last one is the enclosure hardware. It has its own ID on the bus, > so that the controller can talk to it. It runs the LEDs on the howswap > bays and other such things. > > So in this case there is the raid, then the individual disks on another > bus, then the enclosure on yet another bus, as far as the controller > view to linux is concerned at least. Linux only creates /dev/sd* for > the raid device, but there is an sg device for each individual disk, > and the raid and the enclosure for those wanting to do interesting things. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20110601210540.GW21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110601171936.GQ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110601185812.GR21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110601210540.GW21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 04:29:04PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > Jeez, yeah, I see what you mean. About it being bad. But I guess if you > get > > it wrong it just means the computer won't turn on, right? > > In most cases yes. If you connect the reset button to where the LED > should be then you are shorting something when you hit the button, > but since there should a resistor in the circuit with the LED output, > it probably won't really do anything bad. It isn't really very hard to > do, it's just a lousy design. > > > Okay, so THAT's what that is. Yes, I have that, and now I see that in the > > manual as well. My mistake was that I looked in the case manual for where > to > > put the wires that are connected to the case, but I should have been > looking > > in the M2V manual. > > Yes. The motherboard manual covers that. > > > > I guess my case doesn't have a speaker. The only wires I have are Power > SW, > > Power LED +, Power LED -, and HDD LED. Never even thought about a > speaker. I > > don't think I'll miss the beep. > > Some cases have them, some don't anymore. If the case doesn't have one, > don't worry about it. Reset switches seem pretty obsolete too. > > > Yup, got that. Once I overcame my fear of destroying the motherboard > (it's > > old), I got it in there okay. It fits so _exactly_, the case manufacturer > is > > to be commended (Antec). I think I've got pretty much everything hooked > up > > now, but I just realized I'm missing one very important thing: thermal > > paste. D'oh! I'll have to wait before I try booting this thing up. > > Yeah you do want some of that. > > I mainly get worried when handling the $300+ CPUs wiht the new sockets. > I think the worst I have handled was a $2500 fiber channel PCI card. > Fortunately no one told me the price until after I was done installing it. > > > I'm putting in a Sempron (remember those?) processor, that way if I do > > totally blow it and fry everything, I haven't lost as much. > > The sempron is new enough that at worst it will turn itself off if it > got too hot. > > > Many thanks for the walkthrough :) > > No problem. > > IT'S ALIVE!! -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 2 02:04:59 2011 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 22:04:59 -0400 Subject: Computer repair/assembly in Etobicoke? In-Reply-To: References: <20110601210540.GW21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On June 1, 2011 21:07:29 you wrote: > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Lennart Sorensen < > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 04:29:04PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > > Jeez, yeah, I see what you mean. About it being bad. But I guess if you > > get > > > it wrong it just means the computer won't turn on, right? > > > > In most cases yes. If you connect the reset button to where the LED > > should be then you are shorting something when you hit the button, > > but since there should a resistor in the circuit with the LED output, > > it probably won't really do anything bad. It isn't really very hard to > > do, it's just a lousy design. > > > > > Okay, so THAT's what that is. Yes, I have that, and now I see that in the > > > manual as well. My mistake was that I looked in the case manual for where > > to > > > put the wires that are connected to the case, but I should have been > > looking > > > in the M2V manual. > > > > Yes. The motherboard manual covers that. > > > > > > I guess my case doesn't have a speaker. The only wires I have are Power > > SW, > > > Power LED +, Power LED -, and HDD LED. Never even thought about a > > speaker. I > > > don't think I'll miss the beep. > > > > Some cases have them, some don't anymore. If the case doesn't have one, > > don't worry about it. Reset switches seem pretty obsolete too. > > > > > Yup, got that. Once I overcame my fear of destroying the motherboard > > (it's > > > old), I got it in there okay. It fits so _exactly_, the case manufacturer > > is > > > to be commended (Antec). I think I've got pretty much everything hooked > > up > > > now, but I just realized I'm missing one very important thing: thermal > > > paste. D'oh! I'll have to wait before I try booting this thing up. > > > > Yeah you do want some of that. > > > > I mainly get worried when handling the $300+ CPUs wiht the new sockets. > > I think the worst I have handled was a $2500 fiber channel PCI card. > > Fortunately no one told me the price until after I was done installing it. > > > > > I'm putting in a Sempron (remember those?) processor, that way if I do > > > totally blow it and fry everything, I haven't lost as much. > > > > The sempron is new enough that at worst it will turn itself off if it > > got too hot. > > > > > Many thanks for the walkthrough :) > > > > No problem. > > > > > IT'S ALIVE!! > > (sounds of thunder offstage) It's doing science and it's still alive Congratulations! Have some cake. -- There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 2 11:40:52 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:40:52 -0400 Subject: Computer repair/assembly in Etobicoke? In-Reply-To: References: <20110601210540.GW21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: 2011/6/1 Gary Layng > On June 1, 2011 21:07:29 you wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Lennart Sorensen < > > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 04:29:04PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > > > Jeez, yeah, I see what you mean. About it being bad. But I guess if > you > > > get > > > > it wrong it just means the computer won't turn on, right? > > > > > > In most cases yes. If you connect the reset button to where the LED > > > should be then you are shorting something when you hit the button, > > > but since there should a resistor in the circuit with the LED output, > > > it probably won't really do anything bad. It isn't really very hard to > > > do, it's just a lousy design. > > > > > > > Okay, so THAT's what that is. Yes, I have that, and now I see that in > the > > > > manual as well. My mistake was that I looked in the case manual for > where > > > to > > > > put the wires that are connected to the case, but I should have been > > > looking > > > > in the M2V manual. > > > > > > Yes. The motherboard manual covers that. > > > > > > > > I guess my case doesn't have a speaker. The only wires I have are > Power > > > SW, > > > > Power LED +, Power LED -, and HDD LED. Never even thought about a > > > speaker. I > > > > don't think I'll miss the beep. > > > > > > Some cases have them, some don't anymore. If the case doesn't have > one, > > > don't worry about it. Reset switches seem pretty obsolete too. > > > > > > > Yup, got that. Once I overcame my fear of destroying the motherboard > > > (it's > > > > old), I got it in there okay. It fits so _exactly_, the case > manufacturer > > > is > > > > to be commended (Antec). I think I've got pretty much everything > hooked > > > up > > > > now, but I just realized I'm missing one very important thing: > thermal > > > > paste. D'oh! I'll have to wait before I try booting this thing up. > > > > > > Yeah you do want some of that. > > > > > > I mainly get worried when handling the $300+ CPUs wiht the new sockets. > > > I think the worst I have handled was a $2500 fiber channel PCI card. > > > Fortunately no one told me the price until after I was done installing > it. > > > > > > > I'm putting in a Sempron (remember those?) processor, that way if I > do > > > > totally blow it and fry everything, I haven't lost as much. > > > > > > The sempron is new enough that at worst it will turn itself off if it > > > got too hot. > > > > > > > Many thanks for the walkthrough :) > > > > > > No problem. > > > > > > > > IT'S ALIVE!! > > > > > (sounds of thunder offstage) > > It's doing science and it's still alive > Congratulations! > > Have some cake. > Oooh, I woke up this morning to some cake alright, Playstation Store is back up and I am downloading Honest Hearts. Not that's a reward :) Cheers! -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 2 12:04:54 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:04:54 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system Message-ID: My 'new' system has a GForce GT520. I installed Debian Squeeze, installed nvidia-dkms, and upgraded to unstable. As soon as I enable the nvidia driver, though, the system become totally unresponsive. All I get is a rapidly flashing cursor and a flashing numlock. If I reboot I can get into recovery mode and switch back to the generic driver, but that only gives me 800x600. I found this in xsession-errors: /etc/gdm3/Xsession: Beginning session setup... GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-pmldst GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-pmldst GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-pmldst SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-pmldst/ssh librdf warning - Model does not support contexts librdf warning - Model does not support contexts librdf warning - Model does not support contexts Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file /home/joehill/.config/metacity/sessions/ 107e382d5a521abc3113070141156434900000021170023.ms: Failed t$ ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area ** Message: applet now embedded in the notification area Initializing nautilus-gdu extension (gnome-power-manager:2179): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area Shutting down nautilus-gdu extension ** Message: Got disconnected from the session message bus; retrying to reconnect every 10 seconds gnome-settings-daemon: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0. ** Message: disconnected by the session bus. polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0. kerneloops-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0. update-notifier: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0. gdu-notification-daemon: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0. gnome-screensaver: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0. nm-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0. system-config-printer-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0. The application 'gnome-panel' lost its connection to the display :0; most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed the application. but it looks like all that is just to do with missing panel and applets and so on. Where else can I look for clues? -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 2 12:51:53 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:51:53 -0400 Subject: Computer repair/assembly in Etobicoke? In-Reply-To: <20110601210540.GW21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110601171936.GQ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110601185812.GR21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110601210540.GW21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 04:29:04PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > Jeez, yeah, I see what you mean. About it being bad. But I guess if you > get > > it wrong it just means the computer won't turn on, right? > > In most cases yes. If you connect the reset button to where the LED > should be then you are shorting something when you hit the button, > but since there should a resistor in the circuit with the LED output, > it probably won't really do anything bad. It isn't really very hard to > do, it's just a lousy design. > > > Okay, so THAT's what that is. Yes, I have that, and now I see that in the > > manual as well. My mistake was that I looked in the case manual for where > to > > put the wires that are connected to the case, but I should have been > looking > > in the M2V manual. > > Yes. The motherboard manual covers that. > > > > I guess my case doesn't have a speaker. The only wires I have are Power > SW, > > Power LED +, Power LED -, and HDD LED. Never even thought about a > speaker. I > > don't think I'll miss the beep. > > Some cases have them, some don't anymore. If the case doesn't have one, > don't worry about it. Reset switches seem pretty obsolete too. > > > Yup, got that. Once I overcame my fear of destroying the motherboard > (it's > > old), I got it in there okay. It fits so _exactly_, the case manufacturer > is > > to be commended (Antec). I think I've got pretty much everything hooked > up > > now, but I just realized I'm missing one very important thing: thermal > > paste. D'oh! I'll have to wait before I try booting this thing up. > > Yeah you do want some of that. > > I mainly get worried when handling the $300+ CPUs wiht the new sockets. > I think the worst I have handled was a $2500 fiber channel PCI card. > Fortunately no one told me the price until after I was done installing it. > > > I'm putting in a Sempron (remember those?) processor, that way if I do > > totally blow it and fry everything, I haven't lost as much. > > The sempron is new enough that at worst it will turn itself off if it > got too hot. > I can't believe the difference in speed between this Sempron and my old P4. Jeez, this is the lowest of the low of the AMD64... > > > Many thanks for the walkthrough :) > > No problem. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 2 12:52:39 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:52:39 -0400 Subject: Computer repair/assembly in Etobicoke? In-Reply-To: References: <20110601210540.GW21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Thomas Milne wrote: > > > 2011/6/1 Gary Layng > >> On June 1, 2011 21:07:29 you wrote: >> > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Lennart Sorensen < >> > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: >> > >> > > On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 04:29:04PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: >> > > > Jeez, yeah, I see what you mean. About it being bad. But I guess if >> you >> > > get >> > > > it wrong it just means the computer won't turn on, right? >> > > >> > > In most cases yes. If you connect the reset button to where the LED >> > > should be then you are shorting something when you hit the button, >> > > but since there should a resistor in the circuit with the LED output, >> > > it probably won't really do anything bad. It isn't really very hard >> to >> > > do, it's just a lousy design. >> > > >> > > > Okay, so THAT's what that is. Yes, I have that, and now I see that >> in the >> > > > manual as well. My mistake was that I looked in the case manual for >> where >> > > to >> > > > put the wires that are connected to the case, but I should have been >> > > looking >> > > > in the M2V manual. >> > > >> > > Yes. The motherboard manual covers that. >> > > >> > > > > I guess my case doesn't have a speaker. The only wires I have are >> Power >> > > SW, >> > > > Power LED +, Power LED -, and HDD LED. Never even thought about a >> > > speaker. I >> > > > don't think I'll miss the beep. >> > > >> > > Some cases have them, some don't anymore. If the case doesn't have >> one, >> > > don't worry about it. Reset switches seem pretty obsolete too. >> > > >> > > > Yup, got that. Once I overcame my fear of destroying the motherboard >> > > (it's >> > > > old), I got it in there okay. It fits so _exactly_, the case >> manufacturer >> > > is >> > > > to be commended (Antec). I think I've got pretty much everything >> hooked >> > > up >> > > > now, but I just realized I'm missing one very important thing: >> thermal >> > > > paste. D'oh! I'll have to wait before I try booting this thing up. >> > > >> > > Yeah you do want some of that. >> > > >> > > I mainly get worried when handling the $300+ CPUs wiht the new >> sockets. >> > > I think the worst I have handled was a $2500 fiber channel PCI card. >> > > Fortunately no one told me the price until after I was done installing >> it. >> > > >> > > > I'm putting in a Sempron (remember those?) processor, that way if I >> do >> > > > totally blow it and fry everything, I haven't lost as much. >> > > >> > > The sempron is new enough that at worst it will turn itself off if it >> > > got too hot. >> > > >> > > > Many thanks for the walkthrough :) >> > > >> > > No problem. >> > > >> > > >> > IT'S ALIVE!! >> > >> > >> (sounds of thunder offstage) >> >> It's doing science and it's still alive >> Congratulations! >> >> Have some cake. >> > > Oooh, I woke up this morning to some cake alright, Playstation Store is > back up and I am downloading Honest Hearts. Not that's a reward :) > > 'now' that's a reward... > Cheers! > > -- > Thomas Milne > > -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 2 15:02:18 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 11:02:18 -0400 Subject: Raspberry Pi In-Reply-To: <604427.98028.qm-iGg6QNsgFOEHBU+L9ui1Svu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <604427.98028.qm@web113416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Same here :) On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:45 AM, William Park wrote: > For $25, I'll buy one. > -- > > William > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Daniel Wayne Armstrong > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Cc: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2011 7:43:57 PM > > Subject: [TLUG]: Raspberry Pi > > > > Linux-powered computer the size of a stick of gum available (soon?) > > for ~$25 for hacking: > > > > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/raspberry-pi-tiny-computer-runs-linux > > > > Cool! > > > > -- > > (\__/) -- Daniel > > (=.= ) -- http://circuidipity.com > > (")_(") -- http://identi.ca/dwa > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 2 15:59:01 2011 From: andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 11:59:01 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's your personal user account's error log. If you're having system problems, they're more likely to show up in the X server log at /var/log/Xorg.0.log or maybe in the syslog. What can you find there? On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Thomas Milne wrote: > My 'new' system has a GForce GT520. I installed Debian Squeeze, installed > nvidia-dkms, and upgraded to unstable. As soon as I enable the nvidia > driver, though, the system become totally unresponsive. All I get is a > rapidly flashing cursor and a flashing numlock. If I reboot I can get into > recovery mode and switch back to the generic driver, but that only gives me > 800x600. > > I found this in xsession-errors: > > /etc/gdm3/Xsession: Beginning session setup... > GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-pmldst > GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-pmldst > GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-pmldst > SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-pmldst/ssh > librdf warning - Model does not support contexts > librdf warning - Model does not support contexts > librdf warning - Model does not support contexts > Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file > /home/joehill/.config/metacity/sessions/ > 107e382d5a521abc3113070141156434900000021170023.ms: Failed t$ > ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area > ** Message: applet now embedded in the notification area > Initializing nautilus-gdu extension > > (gnome-power-manager:2179): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: > assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed > ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area > Shutting down nautilus-gdu extension > ** Message: Got disconnected from the session message bus; retrying to > reconnect every 10 seconds > gnome-settings-daemon: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) > on X server :0. > ** Message: disconnected by the session bus. > > polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource > temporarily unavailable) on X server :0. > kerneloops-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on > X server :0. > update-notifier: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X > server :0. > gdu-notification-daemon: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily > unavailable) on X server :0. > gnome-screensaver: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on > X server :0. > nm-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server > :0. > system-config-printer-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily > unavailable) on X server :0. > The application 'gnome-panel' lost its connection to the display :0; > most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed > the application. > > but it looks like all that is just to do with missing panel and applets and > so on. > > Where else can I look for clues? > > -- > Thomas Milne > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 2 16:17:05 2011 From: avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Volkov) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:17:05 -0400 Subject: Raspberry Pi In-Reply-To: References: <604427.98028.qm@web113416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I wish that you could tag along several ethernet ports, and not just crappy USB ones that sit on one hub. This would make an awesome router. On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Same here :) > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:45 AM, William Park wrote: >> >> For $25, I'll buy one. >> -- >> >> William >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Daniel Wayne Armstrong >> > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> > Cc: >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2011 7:43:57 PM >> > Subject: [TLUG]: Raspberry Pi >> > >> > Linux-powered computer the size of a stick of gum available (soon?) >> > for ~$25 for hacking: >> > >> > >> > http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/raspberry-pi-tiny-computer-runs-linux >> > >> > Cool! >> > >> > -- >> > (\__/) -- Daniel >> > (=.= ) -- http://circuidipity.com >> > (")_(") -- http://identi.ca/dwa >> > -- >> > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > > > > Dave Germiquet > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 2 16:22:59 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:22:59 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Thomas Milne wrote: > My 'new' system has a GForce GT520. I installed Debian Squeeze, installed > nvidia-dkms, and upgraded to unstable. As soon as I enable the nvidia > driver, though, the system become totally unresponsive. All I get is a > rapidly flashing cursor and a flashing numlock. If I reboot I can get into > recovery mode and switch back to the generic driver, but that only gives me > 800x600. > > I found this in xsession-errors: > > /etc/gdm3/Xsession: Beginning session setup... > GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-pmldst > GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-pmldst > GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-pmldst > SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-pmldst/ssh > librdf warning - Model does not support contexts > librdf warning - Model does not support contexts > librdf warning - Model does not support contexts > Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file > /home/joehill/.config/metacity/sessions/ > 107e382d5a521abc3113070141156434900000021170023.ms: Failed t$ > ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area > ** Message: applet now embedded in the notification area > Initializing nautilus-gdu extension > > (gnome-power-manager:2179): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: > assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed > ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area > Shutting down nautilus-gdu extension > ** Message: Got disconnected from the session message bus; retrying to > reconnect every 10 seconds > gnome-settings-daemon: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) > on X server :0. > ** Message: disconnected by the session bus. > > polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource > temporarily unavailable) on X server :0. > kerneloops-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on > X server :0. > update-notifier: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X > server :0. > gdu-notification-daemon: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily > unavailable) on X server :0. > gnome-screensaver: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on > X server :0. > nm-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server > :0. > system-config-printer-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily > unavailable) on X server :0. > The application 'gnome-panel' lost its connection to the display :0; > most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed > the application. > > but it looks like all that is just to do with missing panel and applets and > so on. > > Where else can I look for clues? > > Xorg.log shows: (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Video Driver (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your (EE) NVIDIA: system's kernel log for additional error messages. (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia" (II) Unloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module-specific error, 0) (EE) No drivers available. Fatal server error: no screens found So it's the same old problem... This is what I have installed: joehill at rebelone:~$ dpkg --get-selections | grep nvidia libgl1-nvidia-alternatives install libgl1-nvidia-glx install libglx-nvidia-alternatives install nvidia-glx install nvidia-installer-cleanup install nvidia-kernel-common install nvidia-kernel-dkms install nvidia-settings install nvidia-support install nvidia-vdpau-driver install nvidia-xconfig install Then I realized I did not have nvidia-kernel-source, so I installed that. Now...do I need to manually build the module now? Dammit, why can I never get this process right? -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 2 17:52:12 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 13:52:12 -0400 Subject: Computer repair/assembly in Etobicoke? In-Reply-To: References: <20110601171936.GQ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110601185812.GR21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110601210540.GW21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110602175212.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 08:51:53AM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > I can't believe the difference in speed between this Sempron and my old P4. > Jeez, this is the lowest of the low of the AMD64... That's the difference between a good CPU architecture and a really bad one. IPC (instructions per clock) really matter, and the P4 was very bad. Also long pipelines are not a good idea if your code isn't predictable, and often it isn't. Some P4s had pipelines with over 30 stages. Get a branch prediction wrong, and you are reverting back the work in most of those 30 stages (a few at the start may be OK). The amd64 chips tend to be in the 10 to 15 range for the pipeline length. They have less than half as much wasted work to flush on a misprediction. The Core 2 had 14 stage, and I believe the Core i3/5/7 do as well. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 2 17:53:39 2011 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 17:53:39 +0000 Subject: Fwd: First stable of Mageia is out! In-Reply-To: References: ,, Message-ID: Anyone know the purpose of putting all of those resources into this fork of Mandriva? From their web site... "What is different about Mageia? Mageia is about quality ? our release promises to be as solid and perfect as Mandriva at its best; that?s our heritage." So why spend time making something as perfect as something that already exists? Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:52:44 -0400 Subject: [TLUG]: Fwd: First stable of Mageia is out! From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Anybody thinking of giving this a try? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Anne nicolas Date: Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:24 PM Subject: [Mageia-announce] First stable of Mageia is out! To: mageia-announce-odJJhXpcy38dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org Hi all Finally release is out and in time! First of all thanks all for the hard work during these 8 months. I guess Mageia community (packagers, admins, translators, testers, artwork) can be proud of this final release. Still some improvments are needed in different part of the project but at leat Mageia distribution is out and ready for final users. Some links for more information http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/ http://mageia.org/en/downloads/ http://mageia.org/en/1/notes/ Enjoy this release and see you for Mageia 2 :) Cheers -- Anne http://www.mageia.org _______________________________________________ Mageia-announce mailing list Mageia-announce-odJJhXpcy38dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-announce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 2 17:54:48 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 13:54:48 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110602175448.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 08:04:54AM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > My 'new' system has a GForce GT520. I installed Debian Squeeze, installed > nvidia-dkms, and upgraded to unstable. As soon as I enable the nvidia > driver, though, the system become totally unresponsive. All I get is a > rapidly flashing cursor and a flashing numlock. If I reboot I can get into > recovery mode and switch back to the generic driver, but that only gives me > 800x600. The nvidia-glx package blacklists the neuvoue driver that the kernel provides since they conflict. If you remove nvidia-glx it should come back. Did you use nvidia-xconfig to configure the xorg.conf file? Did you reboot after installing nvidia-kernel-dkms? Both are required. > I found this in xsession-errors: You need /var/log/Xorg.0.log > /etc/gdm3/Xsession: Beginning session setup... > GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-pmldst > GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-pmldst > GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-pmldst > SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-pmldst/ssh > librdf warning - Model does not support contexts > librdf warning - Model does not support contexts > librdf warning - Model does not support contexts > Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file > /home/joehill/.config/metacity/sessions/ > 107e382d5a521abc3113070141156434900000021170023.ms: Failed t$ > ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area > ** Message: applet now embedded in the notification area > Initializing nautilus-gdu extension > > (gnome-power-manager:2179): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: > assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed > ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area > Shutting down nautilus-gdu extension > ** Message: Got disconnected from the session message bus; retrying to > reconnect every 10 seconds > gnome-settings-daemon: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) > on X server :0. > ** Message: disconnected by the session bus. > > polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily > unavailable) on X server :0. > kerneloops-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X > server :0. > update-notifier: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X > server :0. > gdu-notification-daemon: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily > unavailable) on X server :0. > gnome-screensaver: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X > server :0. > nm-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server > :0. > system-config-printer-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily > unavailable) on X server :0. > The application 'gnome-panel' lost its connection to the display :0; > most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed > the application. > > but it looks like all that is just to do with missing panel and applets and > so on. > > Where else can I look for clues? No idea about that bit. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 2 17:56:02 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 13:56:02 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110602175602.GB21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 12:22:59PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > Xorg.log shows: > > > (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" > compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 > Module class: X.Org Video Driver > (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your > (EE) NVIDIA: system's kernel log for additional error messages. > (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia" > (II) Unloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so > (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module-specific error, 0) > (EE) No drivers available. > > Fatal server error: > no screens found > > So it's the same old problem... > > This is what I have installed: > > joehill at rebelone:~$ dpkg --get-selections | grep nvidia > libgl1-nvidia-alternatives install > libgl1-nvidia-glx install > libglx-nvidia-alternatives install > nvidia-glx install > nvidia-installer-cleanup install > nvidia-kernel-common install > nvidia-kernel-dkms install > nvidia-settings install > nvidia-support install > nvidia-vdpau-driver install > nvidia-xconfig install > > Then I realized I did not have nvidia-kernel-source, so I installed that. > Now...do I need to manually build the module now? Dammit, why can I never > get this process right? nvidia-kernel-dkms is better. It does it automatically. You do have to be sure to have the linux-headers matching your kernel installed. Installing linux-headers-2.6-CPUTYPE takes care of that on upgrades. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 2 18:19:04 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 18:19:04 +0000 Subject: Fwd: First stable of Mageia is out! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:53 PM, wrote: > Anyone know the purpose of putting all of those resources into this fork of > Mandriva? From their web site... > > "What is different about Mageia? > > Mageia is about quality ? our release promises to be as solid and perfect as > Mandriva at its best; that?s our heritage." > > So why spend time making something as perfect as something that already > exists? The pointedly notable imperfection of Mandriva is the matter of "organizational instability." There have been a number of reorganizations over the years. Sadly, I don't think it's too likely that Mageia will change this - deep improvement would require some sort of rather broadly owned organization. Mageia is forking a branch off of the existing tree, and by virtue of not having deeper/broader roots, this isn't a crucial improvement. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 2 19:44:08 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 15:44:08 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system In-Reply-To: <20110602175602.GB21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110602175602.GB21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 12:22:59PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > Xorg.log shows: > > > > > > (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" > > compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 > > Module class: X.Org Video Driver > > (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your > > (EE) NVIDIA: system's kernel log for additional error messages. > > (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia" > > (II) Unloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so > > (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module-specific error, 0) > > (EE) No drivers available. > > > > Fatal server error: > > no screens found > > > > So it's the same old problem... > > > > This is what I have installed: > > > > joehill at rebelone:~$ dpkg --get-selections | grep nvidia > > libgl1-nvidia-alternatives install > > libgl1-nvidia-glx install > > libglx-nvidia-alternatives install > > nvidia-glx install > > nvidia-installer-cleanup install > > nvidia-kernel-common install > > nvidia-kernel-dkms install > > nvidia-settings install > > nvidia-support install > > nvidia-vdpau-driver install > > nvidia-xconfig install > > > > Then I realized I did not have nvidia-kernel-source, so I installed that. > > Now...do I need to manually build the module now? Dammit, why can I never > > get this process right? > > nvidia-kernel-dkms is better. It does it automatically. You do have > to be sure to have the linux-headers matching your kernel installed. > Installing linux-headers-2.6-CPUTYPE takes care of that on upgrades. > > Well, this is where I'm going wrong I guess: joehill at rebelone:~$ dpkg --list | grep linux-headers ii linux-headers-2.6-amd64 2.6.39+35 Header files for Linux 2.6-amd64 (meta-package) ii linux-headers-2.6.39-1-amd64 2.6.39-1 Header files for Linux 2.6.39-1-amd64 ii linux-headers-2.6.39-1-common 2.6.39-1 Common header files for Linux 2.6.39-1 but joehill at rebelone:~$ uname -r 2.6.32-5-686 So...I either need linux-headers 2.6.32-5 or kernel 2.6.39-1 right? -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I reboot I can get > into > > recovery mode and switch back to the generic driver, but that only gives > me > > 800x600. > > The nvidia-glx package blacklists the neuvoue driver that the kernel > provides since they conflict. If you remove nvidia-glx it should > come back. > > Did you use nvidia-xconfig to configure the xorg.conf file? Did you > reboot after installing nvidia-kernel-dkms? Both are required. > > Yeah, I did both. I think I have mismatched kernel and headers. > > I found this in xsession-errors: > > You need /var/log/Xorg.0.log > > > /etc/gdm3/Xsession: Beginning session setup... > > GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-pmldst > > GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-pmldst > > GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-pmldst > > SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-pmldst/ssh > > librdf warning - Model does not support contexts > > librdf warning - Model does not support contexts > > librdf warning - Model does not support contexts > > Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file > > /home/joehill/.config/metacity/sessions/ > > 107e382d5a521abc3113070141156434900000021170023.ms: Failed t$ > > ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area > > ** Message: applet now embedded in the notification area > > Initializing nautilus-gdu extension > > > > (gnome-power-manager:2179): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: > > assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed > > ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area > > Shutting down nautilus-gdu extension > > ** Message: Got disconnected from the session message bus; retrying to > > reconnect every 10 seconds > > gnome-settings-daemon: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily > unavailable) > > on X server :0. > > ** Message: disconnected by the session bus. > > > > polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource > temporarily > > unavailable) on X server :0. > > kerneloops-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) > on X > > server :0. > > update-notifier: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on > X > > server :0. > > gdu-notification-daemon: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily > > unavailable) on X server :0. > > gnome-screensaver: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) > on X > > server :0. > > nm-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X > server > > :0. > > system-config-printer-applet: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily > > unavailable) on X server :0. > > The application 'gnome-panel' lost its connection to the display :0; > > most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed > > the application. > > > > but it looks like all that is just to do with missing panel and applets > and > > so on. > > > > Where else can I look for clues? > > No idea about that bit. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Yes. unstable should be running 2.6.39-1. 2.6.32-5 is not the right kernel. linux-image-2.6-amd64 should depend on the current one for you. Upgrade and reboot. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 2 22:11:55 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 18:11:55 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system In-Reply-To: <20110602213816.GC21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110602175602.GB21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110602213816.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 03:44:08PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > joehill at rebelone:~$ dpkg --list | grep linux-headers > > ii linux-headers-2.6-amd64 2.6.39+35 > > Header files for Linux 2.6-amd64 (meta-package) > > ii linux-headers-2.6.39-1-amd64 2.6.39-1 > > Header files for Linux 2.6.39-1-amd64 > > ii linux-headers-2.6.39-1-common 2.6.39-1 > > Common header files for Linux 2.6.39-1 > > > > but > > > > joehill at rebelone:~$ uname -r > > 2.6.32-5-686 > > > > So...I either need linux-headers 2.6.32-5 or kernel 2.6.39-1 right? > > Yes. unstable should be running 2.6.39-1. 2.6.32-5 is not the right > kernel. > > linux-image-2.6-amd64 should depend on the current one for you. > Upgrade and reboot. > > Unfortunately, 2.6.39-1 boots to a total failure, 'stack trace' or something. damn. -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 2 22:44:38 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 18:44:38 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system In-Reply-To: <20110602213816.GC21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110602175602.GB21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110602213816.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 03:44:08PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > joehill at rebelone:~$ dpkg --list | grep linux-headers > > ii linux-headers-2.6-amd64 2.6.39+35 > > Header files for Linux 2.6-amd64 (meta-package) > > ii linux-headers-2.6.39-1-amd64 2.6.39-1 > > Header files for Linux 2.6.39-1-amd64 > > ii linux-headers-2.6.39-1-common 2.6.39-1 > > Common header files for Linux 2.6.39-1 > > > > but > > > > joehill at rebelone:~$ uname -r > > 2.6.32-5-686 > > > > So...I either need linux-headers 2.6.32-5 or kernel 2.6.39-1 right? > > Yes. unstable should be running 2.6.39-1. 2.6.32-5 is not the right > kernel. > > linux-image-2.6-amd64 should depend on the current one for you. > Upgrade and reboot. > > What's weird though is that previously I was running 2.6.32-5-686. So shouldn't I now be running 2.6.39-1-686? not amd64? The only one close to that though is 2.6.39-1-686-pae, and that doesn't boot either. I am TOTALLY confused. > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 01:58:30 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 21:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Open Office licensing Message-ID: Oracle is apparently going to put Open Office under the Apache Foundation and their license. Not the GPL as LibreOffice. This is quite political, I think. The most interesting part is in the long comment posted today by Marbux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kylewinkler-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 02:15:40 2011 From: kylewinkler-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kyle Winkler) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 22:15:40 -0400 Subject: Open Office licensing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't think this really matters. The non-Oracle employed community, along with all the Linux distros, are moving to Libreoffice. OpenOffice simply wasn't getting where it needed to go fast enough. We'll see if LibreOffice can fix this. If the Document Foundation people really want Oracle's new Apache-Licensed contributions, they could try to move to the GPLv3, which Apache is compatable with. It would be difficult to do that with so many copyright holders, but it might work of the code is compelling enough. On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:58 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Oracle is apparently going to put Open Office under the Apache Foundation > and their license. Not the GPL as LibreOffice. > > > > This is quite political, I think. The most interesting part is in the > long comment posted today by Marbux. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 02:22:41 2011 From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 22:22:41 -0400 Subject: Old Linux installation videos Message-ID: So, I found some old videos of Red Hat Linux and Slackware installations. They are from 1995. Redhat Linux - http://www.viddler.com/explore/pdweinstein/videos/5/ Slackware - http://www.viddler.com/explore/pdweinstein/videos/6/ Wow. -- Sadiq S http://asininetech.com https://launchpad.net/~staticsafe https://github.com/staticsafe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 11:52:12 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:52:12 -0400 Subject: Open Office licensing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DE8CAEC.9070108@gmail.com> On 02/06/11 21:58, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Oracle is apparently going to put Open Office under the Apache Foundation > and their license. Not the GPL as LibreOffice. > > > > This is quite political, I think. The most interesting part is in the > long comment posted today by Marbux. I'm not saying it's right but this is no different than what Apple has done with Darwin. We've come a long way from that video from IBM singing the praises of Linus Torvalds. I wonder where that video went anyway. I certainly knew that IBM wasn't going to host it for long. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 15:04:05 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:04:05 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system In-Reply-To: References: <20110602175602.GB21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110602213816.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110603150405.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 06:11:55PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Lennart Sorensen < > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 03:44:08PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > > joehill at rebelone:~$ dpkg --list | grep linux-headers > > > ii linux-headers-2.6-amd64 2.6.39+35 > > > Header files for Linux 2.6-amd64 (meta-package) > > > ii linux-headers-2.6.39-1-amd64 2.6.39-1 > > > Header files for Linux 2.6.39-1-amd64 > > > ii linux-headers-2.6.39-1-common 2.6.39-1 > > > Common header files for Linux 2.6.39-1 > > > > > > but > > > > > > joehill at rebelone:~$ uname -r > > > 2.6.32-5-686 > > > > > > So...I either need linux-headers 2.6.32-5 or kernel 2.6.39-1 right? > > > > Yes. unstable should be running 2.6.39-1. 2.6.32-5 is not the right > > kernel. > > > > linux-image-2.6-amd64 should depend on the current one for you. > > Upgrade and reboot. > > > > > Unfortunately, 2.6.39-1 boots to a total failure, 'stack trace' or > something. damn. Then grab the headers from stable for 2.6.32. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 15:06:20 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:06:20 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system In-Reply-To: References: <20110602175602.GB21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110602213816.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110603150620.GE21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 06:44:38PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Lennart Sorensen < > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 03:44:08PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > > joehill at rebelone:~$ dpkg --list | grep linux-headers > > > ii linux-headers-2.6-amd64 2.6.39+35 > > > Header files for Linux 2.6-amd64 (meta-package) > > > ii linux-headers-2.6.39-1-amd64 2.6.39-1 > > > Header files for Linux 2.6.39-1-amd64 > > > ii linux-headers-2.6.39-1-common 2.6.39-1 > > > Common header files for Linux 2.6.39-1 > > > > > > but > > > > > > joehill at rebelone:~$ uname -r > > > 2.6.32-5-686 > > > > > > So...I either need linux-headers 2.6.32-5 or kernel 2.6.39-1 right? > > > > Yes. unstable should be running 2.6.39-1. 2.6.32-5 is not the right > > kernel. > > > > linux-image-2.6-amd64 should depend on the current one for you. > > Upgrade and reboot. > > > > > What's weird though is that previously I was running 2.6.32-5-686. So > shouldn't I now be running 2.6.39-1-686? not amd64? > > The only one close to that though is 2.6.39-1-686-pae, and that doesn't boot > either. I am TOTALLY confused. What does 'dpkg --print-architecture' tell you? On a number of systems I use that would say i386, meaning it is a 32bit install. I still run the amd64 kernel to take advantage of more than 3GB ram efficiently (the bigmem/pae kernel does it inefficiently, and the regular 686 kernel doesn't do it at all). I would run an amd64 kernel on any system that can wether the user space is 32 or 64bit. It is the best choice either way. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 15:09:22 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:09:22 -0400 Subject: Open Office licensing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110603150922.GF21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 10:15:40PM -0400, Kyle Winkler wrote: > I don't think this really matters. The non-Oracle employed community, > along with all the Linux distros, are moving to Libreoffice. OpenOffice > simply wasn't getting where it needed to go fast enough. We'll see if > LibreOffice can fix this. > > If the Document Foundation people really want Oracle's new Apache-Licensed > contributions, they could try to move to the GPLv3, which Apache is > compatable with. It would be difficult to do that with so many copyright > holders, but it might work of the code is compelling enough. The problem for Oracle of course is that they really want some of the LibraOffice MPL/GPL contributions which they can't have this way. Oracle really seems to be making huge mistakes in every decision they make. Amazing. They are acting like a spoiled child. If things don't go their way and they eventually have to admit their way isn't working, they still have to go and spite everyone some more in the process. And given how much they don't like apache, this move just doesn't make any sense. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 15:39:27 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:39:27 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system In-Reply-To: <20110603150620.GE21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110602175602.GB21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110602213816.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110603150620.GE21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 06:44:38PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Lennart Sorensen < > > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 03:44:08PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > > > joehill at rebelone:~$ dpkg --list | grep linux-headers > > > > ii linux-headers-2.6-amd64 2.6.39+35 > > > > Header files for Linux 2.6-amd64 (meta-package) > > > > ii linux-headers-2.6.39-1-amd64 2.6.39-1 > > > > Header files for Linux 2.6.39-1-amd64 > > > > ii linux-headers-2.6.39-1-common 2.6.39-1 > > > > Common header files for Linux 2.6.39-1 > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > joehill at rebelone:~$ uname -r > > > > 2.6.32-5-686 > > > > > > > > So...I either need linux-headers 2.6.32-5 or kernel 2.6.39-1 right? > > > > > > Yes. unstable should be running 2.6.39-1. 2.6.32-5 is not the right > > > kernel. > > > > > > linux-image-2.6-amd64 should depend on the current one for you. > > > Upgrade and reboot. > > > > > > > > What's weird though is that previously I was running 2.6.32-5-686. So > > shouldn't I now be running 2.6.39-1-686? not amd64? > > > > The only one close to that though is 2.6.39-1-686-pae, and that doesn't > boot > > either. I am TOTALLY confused. > > What does 'dpkg --print-architecture' tell you? > > joehill at rebelone:~$ dpkg --print-architecture i386 On a number of systems I use that would say i386, meaning it is a > 32bit install. I still run the amd64 kernel to take advantage of more > than 3GB ram efficiently (the bigmem/pae kernel does it inefficiently, > and the regular 686 kernel doesn't do it at all). I would run an amd64 > kernel on any system that can wether the user space is 32 or 64bit. > It is the best choice either way. Is it possible this is happening because of the missing firmware issue? ie. the failed boots/ stack trace? When I installed the newer kernels it warned me about that, so I installed firmware-debian. 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URL: From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 15:42:59 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:42:59 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system In-Reply-To: <20110603150405.GD21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110602175602.GB21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110602213816.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110603150405.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 06:11:55PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Lennart Sorensen < > > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 03:44:08PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > > > joehill at rebelone:~$ dpkg --list | grep linux-headers > > > > ii linux-headers-2.6-amd64 2.6.39+35 > > > > Header files for Linux 2.6-amd64 (meta-package) > > > > ii linux-headers-2.6.39-1-amd64 2.6.39-1 > > > > Header files for Linux 2.6.39-1-amd64 > > > > ii linux-headers-2.6.39-1-common 2.6.39-1 > > > > Common header files for Linux 2.6.39-1 > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > joehill at rebelone:~$ uname -r > > > > 2.6.32-5-686 > > > > > > > > So...I either need linux-headers 2.6.32-5 or kernel 2.6.39-1 right? > > > > > > Yes. unstable should be running 2.6.39-1. 2.6.32-5 is not the right > > > kernel. > > > > > > linux-image-2.6-amd64 should depend on the current one for you. > > > Upgrade and reboot. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, 2.6.39-1 boots to a total failure, 'stack trace' or > > something. damn. > > Then grab the headers from stable for 2.6.32. > > I would have done that, but I can't see them at all in Synaptic. I'm looking for a way to do that with apt-get, but... -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 15:50:22 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:50:22 -0400 Subject: Open Office licensing In-Reply-To: <20110603150922.GF21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110603150922.GF21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 10:15:40PM -0400, Kyle Winkler wrote: > > I don't think this really matters. The non-Oracle employed community, > > along with all the Linux distros, are moving to Libreoffice. OpenOffice > > simply wasn't getting where it needed to go fast enough. We'll see if > > LibreOffice can fix this. > > > > If the Document Foundation people really want Oracle's new > Apache-Licensed > > contributions, they could try to move to the GPLv3, which Apache is > > compatable with. It would be difficult to do that with so many copyright > > holders, but it might work of the code is compelling enough. > > The problem for Oracle of course is that they really want some of the > LibraOffice MPL/GPL contributions which they can't have this way. > > Oracle really seems to be making huge mistakes in every decision they > make. Amazing. They are acting like a spoiled child. If things don't > go their way and they eventually have to admit their way isn't working, > they still have to go and spite everyone some more in the process. > > And given how much they don't like apache, this move just doesn't make > any sense. > > Yeah, I was reading that right now Oracle is demanding all e-mail communications between Apache and Google. I guess Oracle thinks that Google and Apache are ganging up and stealing Java (like someone would want to steal a broken down Ford) for their Android project(s). Oracle only likes the Apache license, it means they don't have to abide by the copyleft provisions in GPL. -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 17:34:44 2011 From: avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Volkov) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 13:34:44 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system In-Reply-To: <20110603150620.GE21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110602175602.GB21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110602213816.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110603150620.GE21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: There's really not much point in that. If it is possible it's better to run amd64 userspace and for all the 32 bit applications, install lib-ia32-* libraries. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 06:44:38PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Lennart Sorensen < >> lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: >> >> > On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 03:44:08PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: >> > > ?joehill at rebelone:~$ dpkg --list | grep linux-headers >> > > ii ?linux-headers-2.6-amd64 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2.6.39+35 >> > > ? ? ? ? Header files for Linux 2.6-amd64 (meta-package) >> > > ii ?linux-headers-2.6.39-1-amd64 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?2.6.39-1 >> > > ? ? ? ?Header files for Linux 2.6.39-1-amd64 >> > > ii ?linux-headers-2.6.39-1-common ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2.6.39-1 >> > > ? ? ? ?Common header files for Linux 2.6.39-1 >> > > >> > > but >> > > >> > > joehill at rebelone:~$ uname -r >> > > 2.6.32-5-686 >> > > >> > > So...I either need linux-headers 2.6.32-5 or kernel 2.6.39-1 right? >> > >> > Yes. ?unstable should be running 2.6.39-1. ?2.6.32-5 is not the right >> > kernel. >> > >> > linux-image-2.6-amd64 should depend on the current one for you. >> > Upgrade and reboot. >> > >> > >> What's weird though is that previously I was running 2.6.32-5-686. So >> shouldn't I now be running 2.6.39-1-686? not amd64? >> >> The only one close to that though is 2.6.39-1-686-pae, and that doesn't boot >> either. I am TOTALLY confused. > > What does 'dpkg --print-architecture' tell you? > > On a number of systems I use that would say i386, meaning it is a > 32bit install. ?I still run the amd64 kernel to take advantage of more > than 3GB ram efficiently (the bigmem/pae kernel does it inefficiently, > and the regular 686 kernel doesn't do it at all). ?I would run an amd64 > kernel on any system that can wether the user space is 32 or 64bit. > It is the best choice either way. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 17:49:02 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 13:49:02 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system In-Reply-To: References: <20110602175602.GB21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110602213816.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110603150405.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110603174902.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 11:42:59AM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > Then grab the headers from stable for 2.6.32. > > > > > I would have done that, but I can't see them at all in Synaptic. I'm looking > for a way to do that with apt-get, but... In /etc/apt/sources.list make sure you have both a deb ... line with unstable/testing/wheezy or whatever you use and another line with stable. ie: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free Then apt-get update, and apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 (or whatever your kernel is). I can't stand synaptic. aptitude is OK, but apt-get command line works. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 17:50:35 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 13:50:35 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system In-Reply-To: References: <20110602175602.GB21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110602213816.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110603150620.GE21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110603175035.GH21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 01:34:44PM -0400, Alex Volkov wrote: > There's really not much point in that. If it is possible it's better > to run amd64 userspace and for all the 32 bit applications, install > lib-ia32-* libraries. There used to be, and still is if you are doing a lot of 32bit work (like building 32bit target binaries). On some architectures like powerpc, 32bit user space is the only option (64bit is less efficient), but with a 64bit kernel (again no option on most hardware). x86 is unique in that 64bit user space is faster than 32bit user space in most cases. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 18:46:13 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 14:46:13 -0400 Subject: Laser Compatible Printers for linux Message-ID: Hi All, I have a HP 1320 Laser printer, and noticed that cartridges are 209.00 at business depot. I did some google searches and saw that there are other stores online that sells them for $35 + tax + shipping. The online stores don't sell an Official HP brand but sells a generic brand. 2 Questions: 1. Would like your guys input, would it be better if I just buy a $209 color laser printer? If so, can someone recommend me a good one that is compatible with linux? 2. Has anyone tried generic brands for laser toners? If so, do you guys have any recommendations? -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 19:06:37 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:06:37 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system In-Reply-To: <20110603174902.GG21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110602175602.GB21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110602213816.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110603150405.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110603174902.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 11:42:59AM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > > Then grab the headers from stable for 2.6.32. > > > > > > > > I would have done that, but I can't see them at all in Synaptic. I'm > looking > > for a way to do that with apt-get, but... > > In /etc/apt/sources.list make sure you have both a deb ... line with > unstable/testing/wheezy or whatever you use and another line with stable. > > ie: > > deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free > deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free > > Then apt-get update, and apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 > (or whatever your kernel is). > > I can't stand synaptic. aptitude is OK, but apt-get command line works. Setting up linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common (2.6.32-31) ... Setting up linux-kbuild-2.6.32 (2.6.32-1) ... Setting up linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31) ... Examining /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d. run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 2.6.32-5-686 dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 2.6.32-5-686: but then this happened: (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER (II) LoadModule: "glx" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 270.41.19 Mon May 16 23:49:08 PDT 2011 (II) Loading extension GLX (II) LoadModule: "record" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.13.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension RECORD (II) LoadModule: "dri" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI (II) LoadModule: "dri2" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.1.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension DRI2 (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Video Driver (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your (EE) NVIDIA: system's kernel log for additional error messages. (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia" (II) Unloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module-specific error, 0) (EE) No drivers available. I looked in syslog as it suggested, but that is a huge file, and I could not see anything that stood out, ie. 'nvidia'. -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 19:36:58 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:36:58 -0400 Subject: Laser Compatible Printers for linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110603193658.GI21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 02:46:13PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: > I have a HP 1320 Laser printer, and noticed that cartridges are 209.00 at > business depot. I did some google searches and saw that there are other > stores online that sells them for $35 + tax + shipping. > > The online stores don't sell an Official HP brand but sells a generic brand. Not surprising. > 2 Questions: > > 1. Would like your guys input, would it be better if I just buy a $209 color > laser printer? If so, can someone recommend me a good one that is compatible > with linux? Well to be compatible, the best bet is get one that speaks postscript natively, and has an ethernet interface. They it will work with everything ever (Even ancient Macs and Amigas and such speak postscript and would work with it). You could get something that uses PCL6, but it is nowhere near as compatible in general as postscript. I see a samsung PCL6 colour laser at canada computers for $210. Of course for $400 you could get a xerox 6280/DN with duplex and 5 times the print speed and postscript. Only issue I have ever heard of is one person I know that had the pins on the cartridge detection break while changing toner cartridges. I think that was on a 6180N. My father has used a 6300 for many years and it just keeps working. Of course toner catridges from xerox cost a fortune, while other brands cost less than half (high capacity black for a 6280 is $200 for a xerox, and $80 to $100 for other brands. Obviously the printer doesn't ship with high capacity cartridges). > 2. Has anyone tried generic brands for laser toners? If so, do you guys have > any recommendations? Unlike inkjet, toner generally just works. I suspect there exists bad toner, but I haven't encountered any. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 19:38:31 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:38:31 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system In-Reply-To: References: <20110602175602.GB21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110602213816.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110603150405.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110603174902.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110603193831.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 03:06:37PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Lennart Sorensen < > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 11:42:59AM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > > > Then grab the headers from stable for 2.6.32. > > > > > > > > > > > I would have done that, but I can't see them at all in Synaptic. I'm > > looking > > > for a way to do that with apt-get, but... > > > > In /etc/apt/sources.list make sure you have both a deb ... line with > > unstable/testing/wheezy or whatever you use and another line with stable. > > > > ie: > > > > deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free > > deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free > > > > Then apt-get update, and apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 > > (or whatever your kernel is). > > > > I can't stand synaptic. aptitude is OK, but apt-get command line works. > > > > Setting up linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common (2.6.32-31) ... > Setting up linux-kbuild-2.6.32 (2.6.32-1) ... > Setting up linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31) ... > Examining /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d. > run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 2.6.32-5-686 > dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 2.6.32-5-686: > > but then this happened: > > (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER > (II) LoadModule: "glx" > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so > (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" > compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 > Module class: X.Org Server Extension > (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 270.41.19 Mon May 16 23:49:08 PDT 2011 > (II) Loading extension GLX > (II) LoadModule: "record" > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so > (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.13.0 > Module class: X.Org Server Extension > ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 > (II) Loading extension RECORD > (II) LoadModule: "dri" > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so > (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 > ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 > (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI > (II) LoadModule: "dri2" > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so > (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.1.0 > ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 > (II) Loading extension DRI2 > (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so > (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" > compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 > Module class: X.Org Video Driver > (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your > (EE) NVIDIA: system's kernel log for additional error messages. > (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia" > (II) Unloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so > (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module-specific error, 0) > (EE) No drivers available. > > I looked in syslog as it suggested, but that is a huge file, and I could not > see anything that stood out, ie. 'nvidia'. modprobe nvidia lsmod |grep nvidia Make sure it is loaded. Building it doesn't mean loading it. A reboot would probably make it load too. Check 'dmesg'. Maybe there is a problem reported that you could use to fix it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 20:54:01 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 16:54:01 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system In-Reply-To: <20110603193831.GJ21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110602175602.GB21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110602213816.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110603150405.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110603174902.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110603193831.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 03:06:37PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Lennart Sorensen < > > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 11:42:59AM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > > > > Then grab the headers from stable for 2.6.32. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would have done that, but I can't see them at all in Synaptic. I'm > > > looking > > > > for a way to do that with apt-get, but... > > > > > > In /etc/apt/sources.list make sure you have both a deb ... line with > > > unstable/testing/wheezy or whatever you use and another line with > stable. > > > > > > ie: > > > > > > deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free > > > deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free > > > > > > Then apt-get update, and apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 > > > (or whatever your kernel is). > > > > > > I can't stand synaptic. aptitude is OK, but apt-get command line > works. > > > > > > > > Setting up linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common (2.6.32-31) ... > > Setting up linux-kbuild-2.6.32 (2.6.32-1) ... > > Setting up linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31) ... > > Examining /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d. > > run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 2.6.32-5-686 > > dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 2.6.32-5-686: > > > > but then this happened: > > > > (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER > > (II) LoadModule: "glx" > > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so > > (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" > > compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 > > Module class: X.Org Server Extension > > (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 270.41.19 Mon May 16 23:49:08 PDT 2011 > > (II) Loading extension GLX > > (II) LoadModule: "record" > > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so > > (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > > compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.13.0 > > Module class: X.Org Server Extension > > ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 > > (II) Loading extension RECORD > > (II) LoadModule: "dri" > > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so > > (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > > compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 > > ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 > > (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI > > (II) LoadModule: "dri2" > > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so > > (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > > compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.1.0 > > ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 > > (II) Loading extension DRI2 > > (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" > > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so > > (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" > > compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 > > Module class: X.Org Video Driver > > (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your > > (EE) NVIDIA: system's kernel log for additional error messages. > > (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia" > > (II) Unloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so > > (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module-specific error, 0) > > (EE) No drivers available. > > > > I looked in syslog as it suggested, but that is a huge file, and I could > not > > see anything that stood out, ie. 'nvidia'. > > modprobe nvidia > > root at rebelone:/home/joehill# modprobe nvidia FATAL: Module nvidia not found. Okay, so it didn't get built? Wouldn't dkms have thrown out an error? lsmod |grep nvidia > > Make sure it is loaded. Building it doesn't mean loading it. A reboot > would probably make it load too. > Yeah, I've rebooted every time, to be sure. > > Check 'dmesg'. Maybe there is a problem reported that you could use to > fix it. > > There was this about nouveau: [ 16.258659] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 24 (level, low) -> IRQ 24 [ 16.258666] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: setting latency timer to 64 [ 16.263183] [drm] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: Unsupported chipset 0x0d9000a1 [ 16.264206] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: PCI INT A disabled [ 16.264217] nouveau: probe of 0000:02:00.0 failed with error -22 I'm not sure, but it seems to be saying something about the PCIe card. There's nothing about nvidia, though: [ 0.104495] pci 0000:04:00.0: disabling ASPM on pre-1.1 PCIe device. You can enable it with 'pcie_aspm=force' [ 0.097495] pci 0000:00:02.0: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold [ 0.097499] pci 0000:00:02.0: PME# disabled [ 0.097562] pci 0000:00:03.0: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold [ 0.097566] pci 0000:00:03.0: PME# disabled [ 0.097631] pci 0000:00:03.1: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold [ 0.097635] pci 0000:00:03.1: PME# disabled [ 0.097700] pci 0000:00:03.2: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold [ 0.097704] pci 0000:00:03.2: PME# disabled [ 0.097768] pci 0000:00:03.3: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold [ 0.097772] pci 0000:00:03.3: PME# disabled [ 0.097830] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 10 io port: [0xcc00-0xcc07] [ 0.097836] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 14 io port: [0xc880-0xc883] [ 0.097843] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 18 io port: [0xc800-0xc807] [ 0.097850] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 1c io port: [0xc480-0xc483] [ 0.097857] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 20 io port: [0xc400-0xc40f] [ 0.097863] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 24 io port: [0xc000-0xc0ff] [ 0.097929] pci 0000:00:0f.1: reg 20 io port: [0xfc00-0xfc0f] [ 0.098004] pci 0000:00:10.0: reg 20 io port: [0xb480-0xb49f] [ 0.098027] pci 0000:00:10.0: supports D1 D2 [ 0.098030] pci 0000:00:10.0: PME# supported from D0 D1 D2 D3hot D3cold [ 0.098034] pci 0000:00:10.0: PME# disabled [ 0.098078] pci 0000:00:10.1: reg 20 io port: [0xb800-0xb81f] [ 0.098102] pci 0000:00:10.1: supports D1 D2 [ 0.098104] pci 0000:00:10.1: PME# supported from D0 D1 D2 D3hot D3cold [ 0.098108] pci 0000:00:10.1: PME# disabled [ 0.098152] pci 0000:00:10.2: reg 20 io port: [0xb880-0xb89f] [ 0.098176] pci 0000:00:10.2: supports D1 D2 [ 0.098178] pci 0000:00:10.2: PME# supported from D0 D1 D2 D3hot D3cold [ 0.098182] pci 0000:00:10.2: PME# disabled [ 0.098226] pci 0000:00:10.3: reg 20 io port: [0xbc00-0xbc1f] [ 0.098249] pci 0000:00:10.3: supports D1 D2 [ 0.098252] pci 0000:00:10.3: PME# supported from D0 D1 D2 D3hot D3cold [ 0.098256] pci 0000:00:10.3: PME# disabled [ 0.098286] pci 0000:00:10.4: reg 10 32bit mmio: [0xf9fffc00-0xf9fffcff] [ 0.098324] pci 0000:00:10.4: supports D1 D2 [ 0.098326] pci 0000:00:10.4: PME# supported from D0 D1 D2 D3hot D3cold [ 0.098330] pci 0000:00:10.4: PME# disabled [ 0.098702] pci 0000:02:00.0: reg 10 32bit mmio: [0xfa000000-0xfaffffff] [ 0.098712] pci 0000:02:00.0: reg 14 64bit mmio pref: [0xd8000000-0xdfffffff] [ 0.098722] pci 0000:02:00.0: reg 1c 64bit mmio pref: [0xd6000000-0xd7ffffff] [ 0.098729] pci 0000:02:00.0: reg 24 io port: [0xdc00-0xdc7f] [ 0.098735] pci 0000:02:00.0: reg 30 32bit mmio pref: [0xfbc00000-0xfbc7ffff] [ 0.098801] pci 0000:02:00.1: reg 10 32bit mmio: [0xfbcfc000-0xfbcfffff] [ 0.104086] pci 0000:00:02.0: bridge io port: [0xd000-0xdfff] [ 0.104091] pci 0000:00:02.0: bridge 32bit mmio: [0xfa000000-0xfbcfffff] [ 0.104097] pci 0000:00:02.0: bridge 64bit mmio pref: [0xd6000000-0xdfffffff] [ 0.104139] pci 0000:06:00.0: reg 10 io port: [0xec00-0xec07] [ 0.104146] pci 0000:06:00.0: reg 14 io port: [0xe880-0xe883] [ 0.104154] pci 0000:06:00.0: reg 18 io port: [0xe800-0xe807] [ 0.104161] pci 0000:06:00.0: reg 1c io port: [0xe480-0xe483] [ 0.104169] pci 0000:06:00.0: reg 20 io port: [0xe400-0xe40f] [ 0.104177] pci 0000:06:00.0: reg 24 32bit mmio: [0xfbeffc00-0xfbefffff] [ 0.104210] pci 0000:06:00.0: supports D1 [ 0.104213] pci 0000:06:00.0: PME# supported from D0 D1 D3hot [ 0.104217] pci 0000:06:00.0: PME# disabled [ 0.104241] pci 0000:06:00.0: disabling ASPM on pre-1.1 PCIe device. You can enable it with 'pcie_aspm=force' [ 0.104303] pci 0000:00:03.0: bridge io port: [0xe000-0xefff] [ 0.104308] pci 0000:00:03.0: bridge 32bit mmio: [0xfbe00000-0xfbefffff] [ 0.104361] pci 0000:00:03.1: bridge 64bit mmio pref: [0xf8f00000-0xf8ffffff] [ 0.104408] pci 0000:04:00.0: reg 10 64bit mmio: [0xfbdc0000-0xfbdfffff] [ 0.104435] pci 0000:04:00.0: reg 30 32bit mmio pref: [0xfbda0000-0xfbdbffff] [ 0.104466] pci 0000:04:00.0: PME# supported from D3hot D3cold [ 0.104470] pci 0000:04:00.0: PME# disabled [ 0.104495] pci 0000:04:00.0: disabling ASPM on pre-1.1 PCIe device. You can enable it with 'pcie_aspm=force' [ 0.104560] pci 0000:00:03.2: bridge 32bit mmio: [0xfbd00000-0xfbdfffff] [ 0.104613] pci 0000:00:03.3: bridge 64bit mmio pref: [0xf8e00000-0xf8efffff] [ 0.104654] pci 0000:00:13.1: transparent bridge [ 0.104689] pci_bus 0000:00: on NUMA node 0 [ 0.104695] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT] [ 0.104853] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.P0P1._PRT] [ 0.104906] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.NBPG._PRT] [ 0.104959] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.NBP0._PRT] [ 0.105012] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.NBP1._PRT] [ 0.105065] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.NBP2._PRT] [ 0.105119] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.NBP3._PRT] [ 0.105211] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.P0PA._PRT] [ 0.124049] ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI1] (0000:80) [ 0.124106] pci 0000:80:01.0: reg 10 64bit mmio: [0xfbffc000-0xfbffffff] [ 0.124143] pci 0000:80:01.0: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold [ 0.124147] pci 0000:80:01.0: PME# disabled [ 0.124188] pci_bus 0000:80: on NUMA node 0 [ 0.124192] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI1._PRT] [ 0.124368] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 *11 12 14 15) [ 0.124473] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 *10 11 12 14 15) [ 0.124576] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 3 4 *5 6 7 10 11 12 14 15) [ 0.124679] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs *3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 15) [ 0.124781] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 15) *0, disabled. [ 0.124885] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 15) *0, disabled. [ 0.124989] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 15) *0, disabled. [ 0.125092] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 *11 12 14 15) [ 0.125217] vgaarb: device added: PCI:0000:02:00.0,decodes=io+mem,owns=io+mem,locks=none [ 0.125222] vgaarb: loaded [ 0.125302] PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing [ 0.126751] pnp: PnP ACPI init [ 0.126772] ACPI: bus type pnp registered [ 0.132545] pnp: PnP ACPI: found 16 devices [ 0.132548] ACPI: ACPI bus type pnp unregistered [ 0.132552] PnPBIOS: Disabled by ACPI PNP [ 0.132564] system 00:07: ioport range 0xc00-0xc0f has been reserved [ 0.132568] system 00:07: ioport range 0xd00-0xd0f has been reserved [ 0.132571] system 00:07: ioport range 0xa20-0xa2f has been reserved [ 0.132574] system 00:07: ioport range 0xa30-0xa3f has been reserved [ 0.132582] system 00:09: ioport range 0x3e0-0x3e7 has been reserved [ 0.132585] system 00:09: ioport range 0x4d0-0x4d1 has been reserved [ 0.132588] system 00:09: ioport range 0x800-0x87f has been reserved [ 0.132592] system 00:09: ioport range 0x400-0x41f has been reserved [ 0.132598] system 00:0a: iomem range 0xfec00000-0xfec00fff could not be reserved [ 0.132601] system 00:0a: iomem range 0xfee00000-0xfee00fff has been reserved [ 0.132607] system 00:0d: iomem range 0xe0000000-0xefffffff has been reserved [ 0.132613] system 00:0e: iomem range 0x0-0x9ffff could not be reserved [ 0.132616] system 00:0e: iomem range 0xc0000-0xcffff could not be reserved [ 0.132619] system 00:0e: iomem range 0xe0000-0xfffff could not be reserved [ 0.132623] system 00:0e: iomem range 0x100000-0x3fffffff could not be reserved [ 0.132626] system 00:0e: iomem range 0xff380000-0xffffffff could not be reserved [ 0.167323] Switching to clocksource acpi_pm [ 0.167446] pci 0000:00:01.0: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:01 [ 0.167449] pci 0000:00:01.0: IO window: disabled [ 0.167453] pci 0000:00:01.0: MEM window: disabled [ 0.167457] pci 0000:00:01.0: PREFETCH window: disabled [ 0.167463] pci 0000:00:02.0: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:02 [ 0.167467] pci 0000:00:02.0: IO window: 0xd000-0xdfff [ 0.167472] pci 0000:00:02.0: MEM window: 0xfa000000-0xfbcfffff [ 0.167477] pci 0000:00:02.0: PREFETCH window: 0x000000d6000000-0x000000dfffffff [ 0.167484] pci 0000:00:03.0: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:06 [ 0.167487] pci 0000:00:03.0: IO window: 0xe000-0xefff [ 0.167493] pci 0000:00:03.0: MEM window: 0xfbe00000-0xfbefffff [ 0.167498] pci 0000:00:03.0: PREFETCH window: 0x00000040000000-0x000000401fffff [ 0.167505] pci 0000:00:03.1: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:05 [ 0.167508] pci 0000:00:03.1: IO window: 0x1000-0x1fff [ 0.167514] pci 0000:00:03.1: MEM window: 0x40200000-0x405fffff [ 0.167518] pci 0000:00:03.1: PREFETCH window: 0x000000f8f00000-0x000000f8ffffff [ 0.167526] pci 0000:00:03.2: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:04 [ 0.167529] pci 0000:00:03.2: IO window: 0x2000-0x2fff [ 0.167535] pci 0000:00:03.2: MEM window: 0xfbd00000-0xfbdfffff [ 0.167539] pci 0000:00:03.2: PREFETCH window: 0x00000040600000-0x000000407fffff [ 0.167546] pci 0000:00:03.3: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:03 [ 0.167550] pci 0000:00:03.3: IO window: 0x3000-0x3fff [ 0.167555] pci 0000:00:03.3: MEM window: 0x40800000-0x40bfffff [ 0.167560] pci 0000:00:03.3: PREFETCH window: 0x000000f8e00000-0x000000f8efffff [ 0.167567] pci 0000:00:13.1: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:07 [ 0.167569] pci 0000:00:13.1: IO window: disabled [ 0.167574] pci 0000:00:13.1: MEM window: disabled [ 0.167577] pci 0000:00:13.1: PREFETCH window: disabled [ 0.167592] pci 0000:00:01.0: setting latency timer to 64 [ 0.167606] pci 0000:00:02.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 27 (level, low) -> IRQ 27 [ 0.167610] pci 0000:00:02.0: setting latency timer to 64 [ 0.167620] pci 0000:00:03.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 31 (level, low) -> IRQ 31 [ 0.167625] pci 0000:00:03.0: setting latency timer to 64 [ 0.167633] pci 0000:00:03.1: enabling device (0106 -> 0107) [ 0.167638] pci 0000:00:03.1: PCI INT B -> GSI 35 (level, low) -> IRQ 35 [ 0.167643] pci 0000:00:03.1: setting latency timer to 64 [ 0.167651] pci 0000:00:03.2: enabling device (0106 -> 0107) [ 0.167656] pci 0000:00:03.2: PCI INT C -> GSI 39 (level, low) -> IRQ 39 [ 0.167660] pci 0000:00:03.2: setting latency timer to 64 [ 0.167668] pci 0000:00:03.3: enabling device (0106 -> 0107) [ 0.167673] pci 0000:00:03.3: PCI INT D -> GSI 43 (level, low) -> IRQ 43 [ 0.167678] pci 0000:00:03.3: setting latency timer to 64 [ 0.167685] pci 0000:00:13.1: setting latency timer to 64 [ 0.167690] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 0 io: [0x00-0xffff] [ 0.167693] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 1 mem: [0x000000-0xffffffff] [ 0.167696] pci_bus 0000:02: resource 0 io: [0xd000-0xdfff] [ 0.167699] pci_bus 0000:02: resource 1 mem: [0xfa000000-0xfbcfffff] [ 0.167702] pci_bus 0000:02: resource 2 pref mem [0xd6000000-0xdfffffff] [ 0.167706] pci_bus 0000:06: resource 0 io: [0xe000-0xefff] [ 0.167709] pci_bus 0000:06: resource 1 mem: [0xfbe00000-0xfbefffff] [ 0.167712] pci_bus 0000:06: resource 2 pref mem [0x40000000-0x401fffff] [ 0.167715] pci_bus 0000:05: resource 0 io: [0x1000-0x1fff] [ 0.167718] pci_bus 0000:05: resource 1 mem: [0x40200000-0x405fffff] [ 0.167721] pci_bus 0000:05: resource 2 pref mem [0xf8f00000-0xf8ffffff] [ 0.167724] pci_bus 0000:04: resource 0 io: [0x2000-0x2fff] [ 0.167727] pci_bus 0000:04: resource 1 mem: [0xfbd00000-0xfbdfffff] [ 0.167730] pci_bus 0000:04: resource 2 pref mem [0x40600000-0x407fffff] [ 0.167733] pci_bus 0000:03: resource 0 io: [0x3000-0x3fff] [ 0.167736] pci_bus 0000:03: resource 1 mem: [0x40800000-0x40bfffff] [ 0.167739] pci_bus 0000:03: resource 2 pref mem [0xf8e00000-0xf8efffff] [ 0.167742] pci_bus 0000:07: resource 3 io: [0x00-0xffff] [ 0.167745] pci_bus 0000:07: resource 4 mem: [0x000000-0xffffffff] [ 0.167748] pci_bus 0000:80: resource 0 io: [0x00-0xffff] [ 0.167751] pci_bus 0000:80: resource 1 mem: [0x000000-0xffffffff] Could it be a problem with the video card itself? -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 21:09:53 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 17:09:53 -0400 Subject: NVidia driver failure on new system In-Reply-To: References: <20110602175602.GB21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110602213816.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110603150405.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110603174902.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110603193831.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110603210953.GK21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 04:54:01PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Lennart Sorensen < > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 03:06:37PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Lennart Sorensen < > > > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 11:42:59AM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > > > > > Then grab the headers from stable for 2.6.32. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would have done that, but I can't see them at all in Synaptic. I'm > > > > looking > > > > > for a way to do that with apt-get, but... > > > > > > > > In /etc/apt/sources.list make sure you have both a deb ... line with > > > > unstable/testing/wheezy or whatever you use and another line with > > stable. > > > > > > > > ie: > > > > > > > > deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free > > > > deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free > > > > > > > > Then apt-get update, and apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 > > > > (or whatever your kernel is). > > > > > > > > I can't stand synaptic. aptitude is OK, but apt-get command line > > works. > > > > > > > > > > > > Setting up linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common (2.6.32-31) ... > > > Setting up linux-kbuild-2.6.32 (2.6.32-1) ... > > > Setting up linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31) ... > > > Examining /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d. > > > run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 2.6.32-5-686 > > > dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 2.6.32-5-686: > > > > > > but then this happened: > > > > > > (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER > > > (II) LoadModule: "glx" > > > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so > > > (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" > > > compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 > > > Module class: X.Org Server Extension > > > (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 270.41.19 Mon May 16 23:49:08 PDT 2011 > > > (II) Loading extension GLX > > > (II) LoadModule: "record" > > > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so > > > (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > > > compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.13.0 > > > Module class: X.Org Server Extension > > > ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 > > > (II) Loading extension RECORD > > > (II) LoadModule: "dri" > > > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so > > > (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > > > compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 > > > ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 > > > (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI > > > (II) LoadModule: "dri2" > > > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so > > > (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > > > compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.1.0 > > > ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 > > > (II) Loading extension DRI2 > > > (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" > > > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so > > > (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" > > > compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 > > > Module class: X.Org Video Driver > > > (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your > > > (EE) NVIDIA: system's kernel log for additional error messages. > > > (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia" > > > (II) Unloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so > > > (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module-specific error, 0) > > > (EE) No drivers available. > > > > > > I looked in syslog as it suggested, but that is a huge file, and I could > > not > > > see anything that stood out, ie. 'nvidia'. > > > > modprobe nvidia > > > > > root at rebelone:/home/joehill# modprobe nvidia > FATAL: Module nvidia not found. > > Okay, so it didn't get built? Wouldn't dkms have thrown out an error? If you have headers installed, then dkms would have built it. So you must not have headers matching your kernel installed at the moment. apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` > lsmod |grep nvidia > > > > Make sure it is loaded. Building it doesn't mean loading it. A reboot > > would probably make it load too. > > > > Yeah, I've rebooted every time, to be sure. Yeah not much good if the module doesn't exist. > > > > Check 'dmesg'. Maybe there is a problem reported that you could use to > > fix it. > > > > > There was this about nouveau: > > [ 16.258659] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 24 (level, low) -> IRQ > 24 > [ 16.258666] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: setting latency timer to 64 > [ 16.263183] [drm] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: Unsupported chipset 0x0d9000a1 > [ 16.264206] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: PCI INT A disabled > [ 16.264217] nouveau: probe of 0000:02:00.0 failed with error -22 Then you don't have nvidia-glx installed. nvidia-glx would have blacklisted that to prevent it from loading at boot. The nvidia driver won't work while it is loaded. > I'm not sure, but it seems to be saying something about the PCIe card. > There's nothing about nvidia, though: > > [ 0.104495] pci 0000:04:00.0: disabling ASPM on pre-1.1 PCIe device. You > can enable it with 'pcie_aspm=force' > > [ 0.097495] pci 0000:00:02.0: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold > [ 0.097499] pci 0000:00:02.0: PME# disabled > [ 0.097562] pci 0000:00:03.0: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold > [ 0.097566] pci 0000:00:03.0: PME# disabled > [ 0.097631] pci 0000:00:03.1: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold > [ 0.097635] pci 0000:00:03.1: PME# disabled > [ 0.097700] pci 0000:00:03.2: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold > [ 0.097704] pci 0000:00:03.2: PME# disabled > [ 0.097768] pci 0000:00:03.3: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold > [ 0.097772] pci 0000:00:03.3: PME# disabled > [ 0.097830] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 10 io port: [0xcc00-0xcc07] > [ 0.097836] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 14 io port: [0xc880-0xc883] > [ 0.097843] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 18 io port: [0xc800-0xc807] > [ 0.097850] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 1c io port: [0xc480-0xc483] > [ 0.097857] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 20 io port: [0xc400-0xc40f] > [ 0.097863] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 24 io port: [0xc000-0xc0ff] > [ 0.097929] pci 0000:00:0f.1: reg 20 io port: [0xfc00-0xfc0f] > [ 0.098004] pci 0000:00:10.0: reg 20 io port: [0xb480-0xb49f] > [ 0.098027] pci 0000:00:10.0: supports D1 D2 > [ 0.098030] pci 0000:00:10.0: PME# supported from D0 D1 D2 D3hot D3cold > [ 0.098034] pci 0000:00:10.0: PME# disabled > [ 0.098078] pci 0000:00:10.1: reg 20 io port: [0xb800-0xb81f] > [ 0.098102] pci 0000:00:10.1: supports D1 D2 > [ 0.098104] pci 0000:00:10.1: PME# supported from D0 D1 D2 D3hot D3cold > [ 0.098108] pci 0000:00:10.1: PME# disabled > [ 0.098152] pci 0000:00:10.2: reg 20 io port: [0xb880-0xb89f] > [ 0.098176] pci 0000:00:10.2: supports D1 D2 > [ 0.098178] pci 0000:00:10.2: PME# supported from D0 D1 D2 D3hot D3cold > [ 0.098182] pci 0000:00:10.2: PME# disabled > [ 0.098226] pci 0000:00:10.3: reg 20 io port: [0xbc00-0xbc1f] > [ 0.098249] pci 0000:00:10.3: supports D1 D2 > [ 0.098252] pci 0000:00:10.3: PME# supported from D0 D1 D2 D3hot D3cold > [ 0.098256] pci 0000:00:10.3: PME# disabled > [ 0.098286] pci 0000:00:10.4: reg 10 32bit mmio: [0xf9fffc00-0xf9fffcff] > [ 0.098324] pci 0000:00:10.4: supports D1 D2 > [ 0.098326] pci 0000:00:10.4: PME# supported from D0 D1 D2 D3hot D3cold > [ 0.098330] pci 0000:00:10.4: PME# disabled > [ 0.098702] pci 0000:02:00.0: reg 10 32bit mmio: [0xfa000000-0xfaffffff] > [ 0.098712] pci 0000:02:00.0: reg 14 64bit mmio pref: > [0xd8000000-0xdfffffff] > [ 0.098722] pci 0000:02:00.0: reg 1c 64bit mmio pref: > [0xd6000000-0xd7ffffff] > [ 0.098729] pci 0000:02:00.0: reg 24 io port: [0xdc00-0xdc7f] > [ 0.098735] pci 0000:02:00.0: reg 30 32bit mmio pref: > [0xfbc00000-0xfbc7ffff] > [ 0.098801] pci 0000:02:00.1: reg 10 32bit mmio: [0xfbcfc000-0xfbcfffff] > [ 0.104086] pci 0000:00:02.0: bridge io port: [0xd000-0xdfff] > [ 0.104091] pci 0000:00:02.0: bridge 32bit mmio: [0xfa000000-0xfbcfffff] > [ 0.104097] pci 0000:00:02.0: bridge 64bit mmio pref: > [0xd6000000-0xdfffffff] > [ 0.104139] pci 0000:06:00.0: reg 10 io port: [0xec00-0xec07] > [ 0.104146] pci 0000:06:00.0: reg 14 io port: [0xe880-0xe883] > [ 0.104154] pci 0000:06:00.0: reg 18 io port: [0xe800-0xe807] > [ 0.104161] pci 0000:06:00.0: reg 1c io port: [0xe480-0xe483] > [ 0.104169] pci 0000:06:00.0: reg 20 io port: [0xe400-0xe40f] > [ 0.104177] pci 0000:06:00.0: reg 24 32bit mmio: [0xfbeffc00-0xfbefffff] > [ 0.104210] pci 0000:06:00.0: supports D1 > [ 0.104213] pci 0000:06:00.0: PME# supported from D0 D1 D3hot > [ 0.104217] pci 0000:06:00.0: PME# disabled > [ 0.104241] pci 0000:06:00.0: disabling ASPM on pre-1.1 PCIe device. You > can enable it with 'pcie_aspm=force' > [ 0.104303] pci 0000:00:03.0: bridge io port: [0xe000-0xefff] > [ 0.104308] pci 0000:00:03.0: bridge 32bit mmio: [0xfbe00000-0xfbefffff] > [ 0.104361] pci 0000:00:03.1: bridge 64bit mmio pref: > [0xf8f00000-0xf8ffffff] > [ 0.104408] pci 0000:04:00.0: reg 10 64bit mmio: [0xfbdc0000-0xfbdfffff] > [ 0.104435] pci 0000:04:00.0: reg 30 32bit mmio pref: > [0xfbda0000-0xfbdbffff] > [ 0.104466] pci 0000:04:00.0: PME# supported from D3hot D3cold > [ 0.104470] pci 0000:04:00.0: PME# disabled > [ 0.104495] pci 0000:04:00.0: disabling ASPM on pre-1.1 PCIe device. You > can enable it with 'pcie_aspm=force' > [ 0.104560] pci 0000:00:03.2: bridge 32bit mmio: [0xfbd00000-0xfbdfffff] > [ 0.104613] pci 0000:00:03.3: bridge 64bit mmio pref: > [0xf8e00000-0xf8efffff] > [ 0.104654] pci 0000:00:13.1: transparent bridge > [ 0.104689] pci_bus 0000:00: on NUMA node 0 > [ 0.104695] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT] > [ 0.104853] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.P0P1._PRT] > [ 0.104906] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.NBPG._PRT] > [ 0.104959] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.NBP0._PRT] > [ 0.105012] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.NBP1._PRT] > [ 0.105065] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.NBP2._PRT] > [ 0.105119] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.NBP3._PRT] > [ 0.105211] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.P0PA._PRT] > [ 0.124049] ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI1] (0000:80) > [ 0.124106] pci 0000:80:01.0: reg 10 64bit mmio: [0xfbffc000-0xfbffffff] > [ 0.124143] pci 0000:80:01.0: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold > [ 0.124147] pci 0000:80:01.0: PME# disabled > [ 0.124188] pci_bus 0000:80: on NUMA node 0 > [ 0.124192] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI1._PRT] > [ 0.124368] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 *11 12 14 > 15) > [ 0.124473] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 *10 11 12 14 > 15) > [ 0.124576] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 3 4 *5 6 7 10 11 12 14 > 15) > [ 0.124679] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs *3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 > 15) > [ 0.124781] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 > 15) *0, disabled. > [ 0.124885] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 > 15) *0, disabled. > [ 0.124989] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 > 15) *0, disabled. > [ 0.125092] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 *11 12 14 > 15) > [ 0.125217] vgaarb: device added: > PCI:0000:02:00.0,decodes=io+mem,owns=io+mem,locks=none > [ 0.125222] vgaarb: loaded > [ 0.125302] PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing > [ 0.126751] pnp: PnP ACPI init > [ 0.126772] ACPI: bus type pnp registered > [ 0.132545] pnp: PnP ACPI: found 16 devices > [ 0.132548] ACPI: ACPI bus type pnp unregistered > [ 0.132552] PnPBIOS: Disabled by ACPI PNP > [ 0.132564] system 00:07: ioport range 0xc00-0xc0f has been reserved > [ 0.132568] system 00:07: ioport range 0xd00-0xd0f has been reserved > [ 0.132571] system 00:07: ioport range 0xa20-0xa2f has been reserved > [ 0.132574] system 00:07: ioport range 0xa30-0xa3f has been reserved > [ 0.132582] system 00:09: ioport range 0x3e0-0x3e7 has been reserved > [ 0.132585] system 00:09: ioport range 0x4d0-0x4d1 has been reserved > [ 0.132588] system 00:09: ioport range 0x800-0x87f has been reserved > [ 0.132592] system 00:09: ioport range 0x400-0x41f has been reserved > [ 0.132598] system 00:0a: iomem range 0xfec00000-0xfec00fff could not be > reserved > [ 0.132601] system 00:0a: iomem range 0xfee00000-0xfee00fff has been > reserved > [ 0.132607] system 00:0d: iomem range 0xe0000000-0xefffffff has been > reserved > [ 0.132613] system 00:0e: iomem range 0x0-0x9ffff could not be reserved > [ 0.132616] system 00:0e: iomem range 0xc0000-0xcffff could not be > reserved > [ 0.132619] system 00:0e: iomem range 0xe0000-0xfffff could not be > reserved > [ 0.132623] system 00:0e: iomem range 0x100000-0x3fffffff could not be > reserved > [ 0.132626] system 00:0e: iomem range 0xff380000-0xffffffff could not be > reserved > [ 0.167323] Switching to clocksource acpi_pm > [ 0.167446] pci 0000:00:01.0: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:01 > [ 0.167449] pci 0000:00:01.0: IO window: disabled > [ 0.167453] pci 0000:00:01.0: MEM window: disabled > [ 0.167457] pci 0000:00:01.0: PREFETCH window: disabled > [ 0.167463] pci 0000:00:02.0: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:02 > [ 0.167467] pci 0000:00:02.0: IO window: 0xd000-0xdfff > [ 0.167472] pci 0000:00:02.0: MEM window: 0xfa000000-0xfbcfffff > [ 0.167477] pci 0000:00:02.0: PREFETCH window: > 0x000000d6000000-0x000000dfffffff > [ 0.167484] pci 0000:00:03.0: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:06 > [ 0.167487] pci 0000:00:03.0: IO window: 0xe000-0xefff > [ 0.167493] pci 0000:00:03.0: MEM window: 0xfbe00000-0xfbefffff > [ 0.167498] pci 0000:00:03.0: PREFETCH window: > 0x00000040000000-0x000000401fffff > [ 0.167505] pci 0000:00:03.1: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:05 > [ 0.167508] pci 0000:00:03.1: IO window: 0x1000-0x1fff > [ 0.167514] pci 0000:00:03.1: MEM window: 0x40200000-0x405fffff > [ 0.167518] pci 0000:00:03.1: PREFETCH window: > 0x000000f8f00000-0x000000f8ffffff > [ 0.167526] pci 0000:00:03.2: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:04 > [ 0.167529] pci 0000:00:03.2: IO window: 0x2000-0x2fff > [ 0.167535] pci 0000:00:03.2: MEM window: 0xfbd00000-0xfbdfffff > [ 0.167539] pci 0000:00:03.2: PREFETCH window: > 0x00000040600000-0x000000407fffff > [ 0.167546] pci 0000:00:03.3: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:03 > [ 0.167550] pci 0000:00:03.3: IO window: 0x3000-0x3fff > [ 0.167555] pci 0000:00:03.3: MEM window: 0x40800000-0x40bfffff > [ 0.167560] pci 0000:00:03.3: PREFETCH window: > 0x000000f8e00000-0x000000f8efffff > [ 0.167567] pci 0000:00:13.1: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:07 > [ 0.167569] pci 0000:00:13.1: IO window: disabled > [ 0.167574] pci 0000:00:13.1: MEM window: disabled > [ 0.167577] pci 0000:00:13.1: PREFETCH window: disabled > [ 0.167592] pci 0000:00:01.0: setting latency timer to 64 > [ 0.167606] pci 0000:00:02.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 27 (level, low) -> IRQ 27 > [ 0.167610] pci 0000:00:02.0: setting latency timer to 64 > [ 0.167620] pci 0000:00:03.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 31 (level, low) -> IRQ 31 > [ 0.167625] pci 0000:00:03.0: setting latency timer to 64 > [ 0.167633] pci 0000:00:03.1: enabling device (0106 -> 0107) > [ 0.167638] pci 0000:00:03.1: PCI INT B -> GSI 35 (level, low) -> IRQ 35 > [ 0.167643] pci 0000:00:03.1: setting latency timer to 64 > [ 0.167651] pci 0000:00:03.2: enabling device (0106 -> 0107) > [ 0.167656] pci 0000:00:03.2: PCI INT C -> GSI 39 (level, low) -> IRQ 39 > [ 0.167660] pci 0000:00:03.2: setting latency timer to 64 > [ 0.167668] pci 0000:00:03.3: enabling device (0106 -> 0107) > [ 0.167673] pci 0000:00:03.3: PCI INT D -> GSI 43 (level, low) -> IRQ 43 > [ 0.167678] pci 0000:00:03.3: setting latency timer to 64 > [ 0.167685] pci 0000:00:13.1: setting latency timer to 64 > [ 0.167690] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 0 io: [0x00-0xffff] > [ 0.167693] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 1 mem: [0x000000-0xffffffff] > [ 0.167696] pci_bus 0000:02: resource 0 io: [0xd000-0xdfff] > [ 0.167699] pci_bus 0000:02: resource 1 mem: [0xfa000000-0xfbcfffff] > [ 0.167702] pci_bus 0000:02: resource 2 pref mem [0xd6000000-0xdfffffff] > [ 0.167706] pci_bus 0000:06: resource 0 io: [0xe000-0xefff] > [ 0.167709] pci_bus 0000:06: resource 1 mem: [0xfbe00000-0xfbefffff] > [ 0.167712] pci_bus 0000:06: resource 2 pref mem [0x40000000-0x401fffff] > [ 0.167715] pci_bus 0000:05: resource 0 io: [0x1000-0x1fff] > [ 0.167718] pci_bus 0000:05: resource 1 mem: [0x40200000-0x405fffff] > [ 0.167721] pci_bus 0000:05: resource 2 pref mem [0xf8f00000-0xf8ffffff] > [ 0.167724] pci_bus 0000:04: resource 0 io: [0x2000-0x2fff] > [ 0.167727] pci_bus 0000:04: resource 1 mem: [0xfbd00000-0xfbdfffff] > [ 0.167730] pci_bus 0000:04: resource 2 pref mem [0x40600000-0x407fffff] > [ 0.167733] pci_bus 0000:03: resource 0 io: [0x3000-0x3fff] > [ 0.167736] pci_bus 0000:03: resource 1 mem: [0x40800000-0x40bfffff] > [ 0.167739] pci_bus 0000:03: resource 2 pref mem [0xf8e00000-0xf8efffff] > [ 0.167742] pci_bus 0000:07: resource 3 io: [0x00-0xffff] > [ 0.167745] pci_bus 0000:07: resource 4 mem: [0x000000-0xffffffff] > [ 0.167748] pci_bus 0000:80: resource 0 io: [0x00-0xffff] > [ 0.167751] pci_bus 0000:80: resource 1 mem: [0x000000-0xffffffff] > > Could it be a problem with the video card itself? No just not having something required installed. For example when installed and loaded the dmesg will show something like: [ 7.489379] Disabling lock debugging due to kernel taint [ 7.489388] nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. [ 9.520797] nvidia 0000:01:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16 [ 9.520814] vgaarb: device changed decodes: PCI:0000:01:00.0,olddecodes=io+mem,decodes=none:owns=io+mem [ 9.521512] NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 270.41.06 Mon Apr 18 14:53:56 PDT 2011 You should have installed the packages: nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig nvidia-settings (handy but not required) linux-headers-`uname -r` -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 22:08:56 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:08:56 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound Message-ID: I've googled this, and I can't find a straight answer: If I have an HDMI out on my video card, and I connect to my TV, is that all I need? Should that convey the sound? The manual for the video card says nothing on the subject. There were no extra cables or anything, though some people seem to be saying you need to connect the video card to a sound device? -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 22:27:06 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:27:06 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DE95FBA.2030800@gmail.com> On 03/06/11 18:08, Thomas Milne wrote: > I've googled this, and I can't find a straight answer: > > If I have an HDMI out on my video card, and I connect to my TV, is that > all I need? Should that convey the sound? The manual for the video card > says nothing on the subject. There were no extra cables or anything, > though some people seem to be saying you need to connect the video card > to a sound device? The HDMI out on most video cards is video only. If you notice there is usually an associated audio jack for sound in these circumstances. Run a standard stereo cable from the computer to the TV. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 22:32:00 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:32:00 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110603223200.GL21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 06:08:56PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > I've googled this, and I can't find a straight answer: > > If I have an HDMI out on my video card, and I connect to my TV, is that all > I need? Should that convey the sound? The manual for the video card says > nothing on the subject. There were no extra cables or anything, though some > people seem to be saying you need to connect the video card to a sound > device? Some video cards have audio support. Many do not. You would have to use the video card's audio device for sound output to get sound on HDMI. Some video cards needed an spdif cable connected to the sound to transfer the audio. On my laptop in alsamixer I see: Card: HDA Intel Chip: Nvidia MCP77/78 HDMI So I suspect it would be connected correctly if I tried HDMI (I never have so far). /proc/asound/cards only shows one audio device in this case. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 22:32:30 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:32:30 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: <4DE95FBA.2030800-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DE95FBA.2030800@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > On 03/06/11 18:08, Thomas Milne wrote: > >> I've googled this, and I can't find a straight answer: >> >> If I have an HDMI out on my video card, and I connect to my TV, is that >> all I need? Should that convey the sound? The manual for the video card >> says nothing on the subject. There were no extra cables or anything, >> though some people seem to be saying you need to connect the video card >> to a sound device? >> > > The HDMI out on most video cards is video only. If you notice there is > usually an associated audio jack for sound in these circumstances. Run a > standard stereo cable from the computer to the TV. > > Okay, thanks for clarifying :) I just happened to have a cable that goes from like a mini headphone jack to red and white RCA audio, perfect! Watching Battle Los Angeles now.... -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 22:41:38 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:41:38 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: <20110603223200.GL21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110603223200.GL21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 06:08:56PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > I've googled this, and I can't find a straight answer: > > > > If I have an HDMI out on my video card, and I connect to my TV, is that > all > > I need? Should that convey the sound? The manual for the video card says > > nothing on the subject. There were no extra cables or anything, though > some > > people seem to be saying you need to connect the video card to a sound > > device? > > Some video cards have audio support. Many do not. > > You would have to use the video card's audio device for sound output to > get sound on HDMI. Some video cards needed an spdif cable connected to > the sound to transfer the audio. > > On my laptop in alsamixer I see: > > Card: HDA Intel > Chip: Nvidia MCP77/78 HDMI > > So I suspect it would be connected correctly if I tried HDMI (I never > have so far). > > /proc/asound/cards only shows one audio device in this case. > > My card only has VGA, DVI, and HDMI. No sound outputs. The thing is mostly just a huge heatsink, really ;) -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 22:50:23 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:50:23 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: References: <20110603223200.GL21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Lennart Sorensen < > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 06:08:56PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: >> > I've googled this, and I can't find a straight answer: >> > >> > If I have an HDMI out on my video card, and I connect to my TV, is that >> all >> > I need? Should that convey the sound? The manual for the video card says >> > nothing on the subject. There were no extra cables or anything, though >> some >> > people seem to be saying you need to connect the video card to a sound >> > device? >> >> Some video cards have audio support. Many do not. >> >> You would have to use the video card's audio device for sound output to >> get sound on HDMI. Some video cards needed an spdif cable connected to >> the sound to transfer the audio. >> >> On my laptop in alsamixer I see: >> >> Card: HDA Intel >> Chip: Nvidia MCP77/78 HDMI >> >> So I suspect it would be connected correctly if I tried HDMI (I never >> have so far). >> >> /proc/asound/cards only shows one audio device in this case. >> >> > My card only has VGA, DVI, and HDMI. No sound outputs. The thing is mostly > just a huge heatsink, really ;) > > And of course, this video card mocks me and reminds me that I have a crappy 720p TV :-( The movies play fine and they look good, but the desktop and applications would look way better at 1080p. Someday. -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronjscott-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 3 23:57:36 2011 From: ronjscott-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Ron) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 19:57:36 -0400 Subject: Laser Compatible Printers for linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DE974F0.3060802@sympatico.ca> On 03/06/2011 2:46 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a HP 1320 Laser printer, and noticed that cartridges are 209.00 > at business depot. I did some google searches and saw that there are > other stores online that sells them for $35 + tax + shipping. > > The online stores don't sell an Official HP brand but sells a generic brand. > > 2 Questions: > > 1. Would like your guys input, would it be better if I just buy a $209 > color laser printer? If so, can someone recommend me a good one that is > compatible with linux? > > 2. Has anyone tried generic brands for laser toners? If so, do you guys > have any recommendations? > > > -- > > > > Dave Germiquet > Good evening: If you live/work/play around Steeles / Victoria Park give a call to BCMY Imaging Products at 905-477-2150 during normal business hours and ask for Rick. He has been refurbishing cartridges for me for several years and his quality of work is very good; he also stands behind his work if there is any warranty situations. When he refurbishes an HP cartridge he replaces the chip. Not everyone does. You should find his prices for exchanges ( you give him the old cartridge ) reasonable. Ron Scott, R.J.S. Computer Services -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 03:14:55 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 23:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Thomas Milne | If I have an HDMI out on my video card, and I connect to my TV, is that all | I need? Should that convey the sound? The manual for the video card says | nothing on the subject. There were no extra cables or anything, though some | people seem to be saying you need to connect the video card to a sound | device? It depends on the card. I'd bet almost all modern cards with HDMI-out also support sound out on HDMI. You were having problems with your GeForce GT 520 card. That card would have sound out. See section 6.1.4 in (Not sure why it is XFree86.) There are different kinds of audio supported on HDMI. Not all types are supported by all cards. From : For digital audio, if an HDMI device supports audio, it is required to support the baseline format: stereo (uncompressed) PCM. Other formats are optional, with HDMI allowing up to 8 channels of uncompressed audio at sample sizes of 16-bit, 20-bit and 24-bit, with sample rates of 32 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 96 kHz, 176.4 kHz and 192 kHz.[21][45] HDMI also supports any IEC 61937-compliant compressed audio stream, such as Dolby Digital and DTS, and up to 8 channels of one-bit DSD audio (used on Super Audio CDs) at rates up to four times that of Super Audio CD.[45] With version 1.3, HDMI supports lossless compressed audio streams Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.[45] As with the YCbCr video, device support for audio is optional. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 11:47:34 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 07:47:34 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does sound work when you watch tv on the computers monitor? A little more information would be helpful. Do you have optical out for sound on the video card. Also some video card ship with a dongle to make an external connection to the sound card. However that doesn't work in all cases. Which tv tuner software are you using I've had success without using a dongle by piping a tvtime signal through arecord by addressing the hardware directly. Here's an example to fool around with. tvtime | arecord -D hw:1,0 -r 32000 -c 2 -f S16_LE | aplay If you are using jack you might have to address the hardware differently as, in -plugD or somthing like that. I dont' use jack currently but I have been reading about it as Alsa and OSS seem to be on their way out in favor of Pulse and Jack. Regards Russell On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > I've googled this, and I can't find a straight answer: > If I have an HDMI out on my video card, and I connect to my TV, is that all > I need? Should that convey the sound? The manual for the video card says > nothing on the subject. There were no extra cables or anything, though some > people seem to be saying you need to connect the video card to a sound > device? > > -- > Thomas Milne > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 12:42:30 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 08:42:30 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's okay, it was just a general question about HDMI :) I have the sound going through a separate cable now. I _wish_ I had a TV tuner card, but this is just a regular old GPU. Eventually I would like to experiment with MythTV, but I don't even have cable. I literally download _everything_ that I watch. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Russell Reiter wrote: > Does sound work when you watch tv on the computers monitor? A little > more information would be helpful. Do you have optical out for sound > on the video card. Also some video card ship with a dongle to make an > external connection to the sound card. However that doesn't work in > all cases. Which tv tuner software are you using I've had success > without using a dongle by piping a tvtime signal through arecord by > addressing the hardware directly. > > Here's an example to fool around with. > > tvtime | arecord -D hw:1,0 -r 32000 -c 2 -f S16_LE | aplay > > If you are using jack you might have to address the hardware > differently as, in -plugD or somthing like that. I dont' use jack > currently but I have been reading about it as Alsa and OSS seem to be > on their way out in favor of Pulse and Jack. > > Regards > Russell > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Thomas Milne > wrote: > > I've googled this, and I can't find a straight answer: > > If I have an HDMI out on my video card, and I connect to my TV, is that > all > > I need? Should that convey the sound? The manual for the video card says > > nothing on the subject. There were no extra cables or anything, though > some > > people seem to be saying you need to connect the video card to a sound > > device? > > > > -- > > Thomas Milne > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 12:50:57 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 08:50:57 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What do you view video with. You could substitute VLC for tvtime. You should notice a marked improvement in the quality of the audio by taking the audio stream from closer to the source. Good practice for setting up Myth Tv ;-) On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Thomas Milne wrote: > It's okay, it was just a general question about HDMI :) > I have the sound going through a separate cable now. > I _wish_ I had a TV tuner card, but this is just a regular old GPU. > Eventually I would like to experiment with MythTV, but I don't even have > cable. I literally download _everything_ that I watch. > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Russell Reiter wrote: >> >> Does sound work when you watch tv on the computers monitor? A little >> more information would be helpful. Do you have optical out for sound >> on the video card. Also some video card ship with a dongle to make an >> external connection to the sound card. However that doesn't work in >> all cases. ?Which tv tuner software are you using I've had success >> without using a dongle by piping a tvtime signal through arecord by >> addressing the hardware directly. >> >> Here's an example to fool around with. >> >> tvtime | arecord -D hw:1,0 -r 32000 -c 2 -f S16_LE | aplay >> >> If you are using jack you might have to address the hardware >> differently as, in -plugD or somthing like that. I dont' use jack >> currently ?but I have been reading about it as Alsa and OSS seem to be >> on their way out in favor of Pulse and Jack. >> >> Regards >> Russell >> >> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Thomas Milne >> wrote: >> > I've googled this, and I can't find a straight answer: >> > If I have an HDMI out on my video card, and I connect to my TV, is that >> > all >> > I need? Should that convey the sound? The manual for the video card says >> > nothing on the subject. There were no extra cables or anything, though >> > some >> > people seem to be saying you need to connect the video card to a sound >> > device? >> > >> > -- >> > Thomas Milne >> > >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > Thomas Milne > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 12:54:33 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 08:54:33 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry I hit send to early. I meant to finish with this seems to be what Jack is intended to do. Map those hw audio connections in userspace in an easily configurable manner. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Russell Reiter wrote: > What do you view video with. You could substitute VLC for tvtime. You > should notice a marked improvement in the quality of the audio by > taking the audio stream from closer to the source. > Good practice for setting up Myth Tv ;-) > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> It's okay, it was just a general question about HDMI :) >> I have the sound going through a separate cable now. >> I _wish_ I had a TV tuner card, but this is just a regular old GPU. >> Eventually I would like to experiment with MythTV, but I don't even have >> cable. I literally download _everything_ that I watch. >> >> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Russell Reiter wrote: >>> >>> Does sound work when you watch tv on the computers monitor? A little >>> more information would be helpful. Do you have optical out for sound >>> on the video card. Also some video card ship with a dongle to make an >>> external connection to the sound card. However that doesn't work in >>> all cases. ?Which tv tuner software are you using I've had success >>> without using a dongle by piping a tvtime signal through arecord by >>> addressing the hardware directly. >>> >>> Here's an example to fool around with. >>> >>> tvtime | arecord -D hw:1,0 -r 32000 -c 2 -f S16_LE | aplay >>> >>> If you are using jack you might have to address the hardware >>> differently as, in -plugD or somthing like that. I dont' use jack >>> currently ?but I have been reading about it as Alsa and OSS seem to be >>> on their way out in favor of Pulse and Jack. >>> >>> Regards >>> Russell >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Thomas Milne >>> wrote: >>> > I've googled this, and I can't find a straight answer: >>> > If I have an HDMI out on my video card, and I connect to my TV, is that >>> > all >>> > I need? Should that convey the sound? The manual for the video card says >>> > nothing on the subject. There were no extra cables or anything, though >>> > some >>> > people seem to be saying you need to connect the video card to a sound >>> > device? >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Thomas Milne >>> > >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> >> >> -- >> Thomas Milne >> > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 13:50:51 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 09:50:51 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well in general I use mplayer. It is so simple and there is no unnecessary GUI to clutter the screen, and the keyboard shortcuts are nice. Right now, though, I'm playing with XBMC, and I have to say it is very, very nice. It is not as nice as the Playstation's XMB, but it's close. Very slick and professional looking, plus of course it has built in support for DLNA devices like my WD Mybook World Edition. I am still using speakers that came with a stereo system my wife bought almost 20 years ago, with a Fisher amp/tuner that my _mother_ bought _30_ years ago (it actually says 'phono' on it! no one under the age of 40 even knows what that means...) So...the sound is what it is ;) But yes, that would be my next step, getting some decent sound equipment. Bay Bloor Radio...mmmmmm. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Russell Reiter wrote: > What do you view video with. You could substitute VLC for tvtime. You > should notice a marked improvement in the quality of the audio by > taking the audio stream from closer to the source. > Good practice for setting up Myth Tv ;-) > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Thomas Milne > wrote: > > It's okay, it was just a general question about HDMI :) > > I have the sound going through a separate cable now. > > I _wish_ I had a TV tuner card, but this is just a regular old GPU. > > Eventually I would like to experiment with MythTV, but I don't even have > > cable. I literally download _everything_ that I watch. > > > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Russell Reiter > wrote: > >> > >> Does sound work when you watch tv on the computers monitor? A little > >> more information would be helpful. Do you have optical out for sound > >> on the video card. Also some video card ship with a dongle to make an > >> external connection to the sound card. However that doesn't work in > >> all cases. Which tv tuner software are you using I've had success > >> without using a dongle by piping a tvtime signal through arecord by > >> addressing the hardware directly. > >> > >> Here's an example to fool around with. > >> > >> tvtime | arecord -D hw:1,0 -r 32000 -c 2 -f S16_LE | aplay > >> > >> If you are using jack you might have to address the hardware > >> differently as, in -plugD or somthing like that. I dont' use jack > >> currently but I have been reading about it as Alsa and OSS seem to be > >> on their way out in favor of Pulse and Jack. > >> > >> Regards > >> Russell > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Thomas Milne > >> wrote: > >> > I've googled this, and I can't find a straight answer: > >> > If I have an HDMI out on my video card, and I connect to my TV, is > that > >> > all > >> > I need? Should that convey the sound? The manual for the video card > says > >> > nothing on the subject. There were no extra cables or anything, though > >> > some > >> > people seem to be saying you need to connect the video card to a sound > >> > device? > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Thomas Milne > >> > > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > > > -- > > Thomas Milne > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 14:03:13 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 10:03:13 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had a look at D. Hugh. R's links and it looks like you might get good result from Jack's daemon. The hardware graphic noted the caveat we all forget. Not all channel connection were/are physically exposed. To my mind, it depends where digital signal is converted back to an analog stream almost as much as how. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Thomas Milne wrote: > Well in general I use mplayer. It is so simple and there is no unnecessary > GUI to clutter the screen, and the keyboard shortcuts are nice. > Right now, though, I'm playing with XBMC, and I have to say it is very, very > nice. It is not as nice as the Playstation's XMB, but it's close. Very slick > and professional looking, plus of course it has built in support for DLNA > devices like my WD Mybook World Edition. > I am still using speakers that came with a stereo system my wife bought > almost 20 years ago, with a Fisher amp/tuner that my _mother_ bought _30_ > years ago (it actually says 'phono' on it! no one under the age of 40 even > knows what that means...) ?So...the sound is what it is ;) But yes, that > would be my next step, getting some decent sound equipment. Bay Bloor > Radio...mmmmmm. > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Russell Reiter wrote: >> >> What do you view video with. You could substitute VLC for tvtime. You >> should notice a marked improvement in the quality of the audio by >> taking the audio stream from closer to the source. >> Good practice for setting up Myth Tv ;-) >> >> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Thomas Milne >> wrote: >> > It's okay, it was just a general question about HDMI :) >> > I have the sound going through a separate cable now. >> > I _wish_ I had a TV tuner card, but this is just a regular old GPU. >> > Eventually I would like to experiment with MythTV, but I don't even have >> > cable. I literally download _everything_ that I watch. >> > >> > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Russell Reiter >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Does sound work when you watch tv on the computers monitor? A little >> >> more information would be helpful. Do you have optical out for sound >> >> on the video card. Also some video card ship with a dongle to make an >> >> external connection to the sound card. However that doesn't work in >> >> all cases. ?Which tv tuner software are you using I've had success >> >> without using a dongle by piping a tvtime signal through arecord by >> >> addressing the hardware directly. >> >> >> >> Here's an example to fool around with. >> >> >> >> tvtime | arecord -D hw:1,0 -r 32000 -c 2 -f S16_LE | aplay >> >> >> >> If you are using jack you might have to address the hardware >> >> differently as, in -plugD or somthing like that. I dont' use jack >> >> currently ?but I have been reading about it as Alsa and OSS seem to be >> >> on their way out in favor of Pulse and Jack. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Russell >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Thomas Milne >> >> wrote: >> >> > I've googled this, and I can't find a straight answer: >> >> > If I have an HDMI out on my video card, and I connect to my TV, is >> >> > that >> >> > all >> >> > I need? Should that convey the sound? The manual for the video card >> >> > says >> >> > nothing on the subject. There were no extra cables or anything, >> >> > though >> >> > some >> >> > people seem to be saying you need to connect the video card to a >> >> > sound >> >> > device? >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Thomas Milne >> >> > >> >> -- >> >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Thomas Milne >> > >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > Thomas Milne > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 14:24:54 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 10:24:54 -0400 Subject: OT Rescue CDs/DVDs Message-ID: What would be a good linux rescue CD/DVD for getting data off a Vista (it's not my machine) partition off a failing hard drive. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 14:29:32 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 10:29:32 -0400 Subject: OT Rescue CDs/DVDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Correction Message should read: What would be a good linux rescue CD/DVD for getting data off a Vista (it's not my machine) partition ON a failing hard drive. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 14:31:29 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 10:31:29 -0400 Subject: OT Rescue CDs/DVDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All of them, man mount mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /home/me/directory will mount the ntfs filesystem located on the third partition of the disk in the users dirctory, which they have created for that purpose. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > What would be a good linux rescue CD/DVD for getting data off a Vista > (it's not my machine) partition off a failing hard drive. > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 14:53:02 2011 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 10:53:02 -0400 Subject: OT Rescue CDs/DVDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Russell Reiter wrote: > All of them, man mount > > mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /home/me/directory > > will mount the ntfs filesystem located on the third partition of the > disk in the users dirctory, which they have created for that purpose. To expand on "all of them" a bit, see: I find Slax the most fun because you can build your own distro. Good luck, -- ? Scott Elcomb ? @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca ? Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems ? http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ ? Clerk of the Pirate Party of Canada ? http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 15:43:47 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:43:47 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had a further look at this information on HDMI and it seems to me this is what jackd is for. A udev event, although you might not even need that daemon to try this. I have my own problems with trans coding video and audio signals at the moment, this problem is a distraction and why I'm top posting. Try plugging the cable connected to the tv into the pc and use #lspci see what pin 19 shows on the bus when hot plugged. Then try udevadm info --attribute-walk man udev, to see how this works. Assuming you get results, you might be able to use a hot plug event to connect the audio stream(s), using a udev rule. The hdmi cables audio transport layer carries LPCM sound, surround sound if your tv has output for that, which it probably does in the form of, hdmi in and hdmi out and unlike midi no throughput. That transport layer will convey the digital signal to the tv for trans coding. Shielding the signal from the "copper" noise. There are three shields for the data and one for the bus clock. The shielding signals make for more efficient multiplexing of the signal, remember it's an RF signal. Alternatively if the tv does not do its own trans coding and is expecting something else in its TDMS data stream, that condition could most likely be overcome by udev re-assignment as well. In order to pass the signal through the sound card and then mix it back in to the stream, the appropriate udev rule could be applied on a hot plug event. I believe this is where jackd would fit in, making it easier to allow for the lack of direct pin assignments to digital device outputs. aplay -L will show what audio devices are detected. Although the lack of one to one pin assignment, as noted in the links, may be insurmountable without the jackd daemon to handle the kernelspace mappings. There is a lot of RF noise when you take an analog audio signal directly from the back of the computer. Better to deliver it to a "clean" switch digitally before converting it to analog. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:14 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Thomas Milne > > | If I have an HDMI out on my video card, and I connect to my TV, is that all > | I need? Should that convey the sound? The manual for the video card says > | nothing on the subject. There were no extra cables or anything, though some > | people seem to be saying you need to connect the video card to a sound > | device? > > It depends on the card. ?I'd bet almost all modern cards with HDMI-out > also support sound out on HDMI. > > You were having problems with your GeForce GT 520 card. ?That card > would have sound out. ?See section 6.1.4 in > > (Not sure why it is XFree86.) > > There are different kinds of audio supported on HDMI. ?Not all types > are supported by all cards. ?From : > > ? ?For digital audio, if an HDMI device supports audio, it is required to > ? ?support the baseline format: stereo (uncompressed) PCM. Other formats > ? ?are optional, with HDMI allowing up to 8 channels of uncompressed > ? ?audio at sample sizes of 16-bit, 20-bit and 24-bit, with sample rates > ? ?of 32 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 96 kHz, 176.4 kHz and 192 > ? ?kHz.[21][45] HDMI also supports any IEC 61937-compliant compressed > ? ?audio stream, such as Dolby Digital and DTS, and up to 8 channels of > ? ?one-bit DSD audio (used on Super Audio CDs) at rates up to four times > ? ?that of Super Audio CD.[45] With version 1.3, HDMI supports lossless > ? ?compressed audio streams Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.[45] As > ? ?with the YCbCr video, device support for audio is optional. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 15:47:53 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:47:53 -0400 Subject: OT Rescue CDs/DVDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ivan, On 4 June 2011 10:31, Russell Reiter wrote: > All of them, man mount > > mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /home/me/directory > > will mount the ntfs filesystem located on the third partition of the > disk in the users dirctory, which they have created for that purpose. Will work if the hard disk is not too badly damaged. If lot of sectors are bad, it will take forever to ever backup > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Ivan Avery Frey > wrote: >> What would be a good linux rescue CD/DVD for getting data off a Vista >> (it's not my machine) partition off a failing hard drive. If its not usable easily in mounted state, you may try this. It also help by minimizing the damage of the failing disk buy avoiding reading from failed sectors. dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sdb2 conv=sync,noerror Investigate if you need to create similar size partition on the backup drive as I have not done it yet, but that would be my preferred approach if I was in your shoes. Someone here may even enlighten us on that and save you experimenting on a weak drive >> Ivan. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 15:56:05 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:56:05 -0400 Subject: OT Rescue CDs/DVDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just had a look at Slax I like the posix overlay that allows for ntfs mounts as a loop device for purposes of simple data recovery. Of course it all depends on what manner of failure is happpening on the drive. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:47 AM, William Muriithi wrote: > Ivan, > > On 4 June 2011 10:31, Russell Reiter wrote: >> All of them, man mount >> >> mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /home/me/directory >> >> will mount the ntfs filesystem located on the third partition of the >> disk in the users dirctory, which they have created for that purpose. > Will work if the hard disk is not too badly damaged. ?If lot of > sectors are bad, it will take forever to ever backup >> >> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Ivan Avery Frey >> wrote: >>> What would be a good linux rescue CD/DVD for getting data off a Vista >>> (it's not my machine) partition off a failing hard drive. > If its not usable easily in mounted state, you may try this. ?It also > help by minimizing the damage of the failing disk buy avoiding reading > from failed sectors. > > dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sdb2 conv=sync,noerror > > Investigate if you need to create similar size partition on the backup > drive as I have not done it yet, but that would be my preferred > approach if I was in your shoes. ?Someone here may even enlighten us > on that and save you experimenting on a weak drive >>> > ?Ivan. >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 16:07:51 2011 From: edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (edward chin) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 12:07:51 -0400 Subject: Laser Compatible Printers for linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have the Samsung CLP-310 which cost $199 about a year ago. Ubuntu 10.10 recognized it upon being plugged in. It prints on the dark side whether B/W or colour. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a HP 1320 Laser printer, and noticed that cartridges are 209.00 at > business depot.? I did some google searches and saw that there are other > stores online that sells them for $35 + tax + shipping. > > The online stores don't sell an Official HP brand but sells a generic brand. > > 2 Questions: > > 1. Would like your guys input, would it be better if I just buy a $209 color > laser printer? If so, can someone recommend me a good one that is compatible > with linux? > > 2. Has anyone tried generic brands for laser toners? If so, do you guys have > any recommendations? > > > -- > > > > Dave Germiquet > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 18:49:35 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 14:49:35 -0400 Subject: OT Rescue CDs/DVDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Russell Reiter wrote: > All of them, man mount > > mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /home/me/directory > > will mount the ntfs filesystem located on the third partition of the > disk in the users dirctory, which they have created for that purpose. I tried system rescue cd and and they included a mount command for ntfs partitions right before the prompt: ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 18:51:49 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 14:51:49 -0400 Subject: OT Rescue CDs/DVDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Scott Elcomb wrote: > > To expand on "all of them" a bit, see: > > I find Slax the most fun because you can build your own distro. I've seen the list and I will need to investigate Slax further, -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 18:58:21 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 14:58:21 -0400 Subject: OT Rescue CDs/DVDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:47 AM, William Muriithi wrote: > Will work if the hard disk is not too badly damaged. ?If lot of > sectors are bad, it will take forever to ever backup I'm afraid of this, Vista takes over an hour to boot up. This is an HP laptop and the hard drive test from the startup menu fail immediately. > If its not usable easily in mounted state, you may try this. ?It also > help by minimizing the damage of the failing disk buy avoiding reading > from failed sectors. > > dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sdb2 conv=sync,noerror > > Investigate if you need to create similar size partition on the backup > drive as I have not done it yet, but that would be my preferred > approach if I was in your shoes. ?Someone here may even enlighten us > on that and save you experimenting on a weak drive Will this work if I put the failing hard drive into a USB 2.0 enclosure? I'm thing of doing a straight hard drive replacement. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 18:59:21 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 14:59:21 -0400 Subject: OT Rescue CDs/DVDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: forgot to mention that system rescue comes with gparted. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 19:02:30 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 15:02:30 -0400 Subject: OT Rescue CDs/DVDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Russell Reiter wrote: > I just had a look at Slax I like the posix overlay that allows for > ntfs mounts as a loop device for purposes of simple data recovery. Of > course it all depends on what manner of failure is happpening on the > drive. SMART is being triggered. I did a test right from the BIOS and it fails immediately. I was able to mount it in System Rescue CD and I was able to see files. In windows safe mode it hangs at crcdisk.sys. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 19:08:21 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 15:08:21 -0400 Subject: OT Rescue CDs/DVDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My knowledge of windows is pretty obsolete. However, crcdisk.sys looks like a cyclic redundancy check failure. In this case the dd option someone else posted, whereby information is copied byte by byte, in the example posted which excludes bad sectors, is a good option for recovery. Try a Slax or other live cd. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Russell Reiter wrote: >> I just had a look at Slax I like the posix overlay that allows for >> ntfs mounts as a loop device for purposes of simple data recovery. Of >> course it all depends on what manner of failure is happpening on the >> drive. > > SMART is being triggered. I did a test right from the BIOS and it > fails immediately. > I was able to mount it in System Rescue CD and I was able to see files. > > In windows safe mode it hangs at crcdisk.sys. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 19:29:05 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 15:29:05 -0400 Subject: OT Rescue CDs/DVDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you are using gparted you have the option to resize a partion, not that I do that at this point, but you will need a destination file or partition containing the exact byte count of the input file including bad sectors, I think. I believe that dd does an exact image overlay. I may be wrong though. Slax and other's that install from writable media like usb pens, could allow you to fiddle with the byte count till you got it right. Make the partion on the usb pen the size you need to recover the initial data before booting the system in order to recover the data. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > forgot to mention that system rescue comes with gparted. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 19:31:33 2011 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 15:31:33 -0400 Subject: OT Rescue CDs/DVDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: System Rescue CD is the man for the job. It rescues Macs too! http://www.sysresccd.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 20:38:45 2011 From: jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 16:38:45 -0400 Subject: Laser Compatible Printers for linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DEA97D5.4090501@yaknet.ca> On 11-06-04 12:07 PM, edward chin wrote: > I have the Samsung CLP-310 which cost $199 about a year ago. Ubuntu 10.10 > recognized it upon being plugged in. It prints on the dark side > whether B/W or colour. > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I have a HP 1320 Laser printer, and noticed that cartridges are 209.00 at >> business depot. I did some google searches and saw that there are other >> stores online that sells them for $35 + tax + shipping. >> >> The online stores don't sell an Official HP brand but sells a generic brand. >> >> 2 Questions: >> >> 1. Would like your guys input, would it be better if I just buy a $209 color >> laser printer? If so, can someone recommend me a good one that is compatible >> with linux? >> >> 2. Has anyone tried generic brands for laser toners? If so, do you guys have >> any recommendations? >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Dave Germiquet >> >> > - I have used monocolor out of ebay. They are based in Scarborough. No issues on a Samsung ML2010 and SCX4200. These are b&w though. http://stores.ebay.ca/myMonoColor John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 4 20:47:11 2011 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 16:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Laser Compatible Printers for linux In-Reply-To: <4DEA97D5.4090501-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4DEA97D5.4090501@yaknet.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Jun 2011, John Myshrall wrote: > On 11-06-04 12:07 PM, edward chin wrote: >> I have the Samsung CLP-310 which cost $199 about a year ago. Ubuntu 10.10 >> recognized it upon being plugged in. It prints on the dark side >> whether B/W or colour. >> >> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Dave Germiquet >> wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I have a HP 1320 Laser printer, and noticed that cartridges are 209.00 at >>> business depot. I did some google searches and saw that there are other >>> stores online that sells them for $35 + tax + shipping. >>> >>> The online stores don't sell an Official HP brand but sells a generic >>> brand. >>> >>> 2 Questions: >>> >>> 1. Would like your guys input, would it be better if I just buy a $209 >>> color >>> laser printer? If so, can someone recommend me a good one that is >>> compatible >>> with linux? >>> >>> 2. Has anyone tried generic brands for laser toners? If so, do you guys >>> have >>> any recommendations? > > I have used monocolor out of ebay. They are based in Scarborough. No issues > on a Samsung ML2010 and SCX4200. These are b&w though. I just bought a toner cartridge for an ML2010 from tonerparts.com; it seems fine, though I haven't given it much of a test yet. The cartridge cost $35 including shipping; a local shop that refills cartridges wanted $45 to refill mine. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jun 5 14:19:20 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 10:19:20 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Right now I'm just trying to figure out what's wrong with the video :-( I did something kinda boneheaded and now I might be paying the price. In my impatience, I plugged the machine into an ungrounded outlet, first time I've done that in years. Of course there was a power surge, everything else shut off except this machine. It might be coincidence, but I'm getting some lockups with the video at certain times. Trying now to see if I can nail it down to a certain cause. It seems to only happen when I open a web browser... On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Russell Reiter wrote: > I had a further look at this information on HDMI and it seems to me > this is what jackd is for. A udev event, although you might not even > need that daemon to try this. I have my own problems with trans coding > video and audio signals at the moment, this problem is a distraction > and why I'm top posting. > > Try plugging the cable connected to the tv into the pc and use #lspci > see what pin 19 shows on the bus when hot plugged. Then try udevadm > info --attribute-walk man udev, to see how this works. > Assuming you get results, you might be able to use a hot plug event to > connect the audio stream(s), using a udev rule. > > The hdmi cables audio transport layer carries LPCM sound, surround > sound if your tv has output for that, which it probably does in the > form of, hdmi in and hdmi out and unlike midi no throughput. That > transport layer will convey the digital signal to the tv for trans > coding. Shielding the signal from the "copper" noise. There are three > shields for the data and one for the bus clock. The shielding signals > make for more efficient multiplexing of the signal, remember it's an > RF signal. Alternatively if the tv does not do its own trans coding > and is expecting something else in its TDMS data stream, that > condition could most likely be overcome by udev re-assignment as well. > In order to pass the signal through the sound card and then mix it > back in to the stream, the appropriate udev rule could be applied on a > hot plug event. I believe this is where jackd would fit in, making it > easier to allow for the lack of direct pin assignments to digital > device outputs. > > aplay -L will show what audio devices are detected. Although the lack > of one to one pin assignment, as noted in the links, may be > insurmountable without the jackd daemon to handle the kernelspace > mappings. > > There is a lot of RF noise when you take an analog audio signal > directly from the back of the computer. Better to deliver it to a > "clean" switch digitally before converting it to analog. > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:14 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier > wrote: > > | From: Thomas Milne > > > > | If I have an HDMI out on my video card, and I connect to my TV, is that > all > > | I need? Should that convey the sound? The manual for the video card > says > > | nothing on the subject. There were no extra cables or anything, though > some > > | people seem to be saying you need to connect the video card to a sound > > | device? > > > > It depends on the card. I'd bet almost all modern cards with HDMI-out > > also support sound out on HDMI. > > > > You were having problems with your GeForce GT 520 card. That card > > would have sound out. See section 6.1.4 in > > < > ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/gpu-hdmi-audio-document/gpu-hdmi-audio.html > > > > (Not sure why it is XFree86.) > > > > There are different kinds of audio supported on HDMI. Not all types > > are supported by all cards. From : > > > > For digital audio, if an HDMI device supports audio, it is required to > > support the baseline format: stereo (uncompressed) PCM. Other formats > > are optional, with HDMI allowing up to 8 channels of uncompressed > > audio at sample sizes of 16-bit, 20-bit and 24-bit, with sample rates > > of 32 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 96 kHz, 176.4 kHz and 192 > > kHz.[21][45] HDMI also supports any IEC 61937-compliant compressed > > audio stream, such as Dolby Digital and DTS, and up to 8 channels of > > one-bit DSD audio (used on Super Audio CDs) at rates up to four times > > that of Super Audio CD.[45] With version 1.3, HDMI supports lossless > > compressed audio streams Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.[45] As > > with the YCbCr video, device support for audio is optional. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jun 5 16:30:00 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 12:30:00 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another thing I just noticed about this video card. On the box, in very very small print are the 'minimum requirements', which I normally don't pay much attention to because it usually just talks about how I need Windows ;) Anyhow, this one actually says I need at _least_ 2 GB of system memory. 2 GB!!?? Wow, I only have 1 GB, so I need to upgrade I guess... Wow. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Russell Reiter wrote: > I had a further look at this information on HDMI and it seems to me > this is what jackd is for. A udev event, although you might not even > need that daemon to try this. I have my own problems with trans coding > video and audio signals at the moment, this problem is a distraction > and why I'm top posting. > > Try plugging the cable connected to the tv into the pc and use #lspci > see what pin 19 shows on the bus when hot plugged. Then try udevadm > info --attribute-walk man udev, to see how this works. > Assuming you get results, you might be able to use a hot plug event to > connect the audio stream(s), using a udev rule. > > The hdmi cables audio transport layer carries LPCM sound, surround > sound if your tv has output for that, which it probably does in the > form of, hdmi in and hdmi out and unlike midi no throughput. That > transport layer will convey the digital signal to the tv for trans > coding. Shielding the signal from the "copper" noise. There are three > shields for the data and one for the bus clock. The shielding signals > make for more efficient multiplexing of the signal, remember it's an > RF signal. Alternatively if the tv does not do its own trans coding > and is expecting something else in its TDMS data stream, that > condition could most likely be overcome by udev re-assignment as well. > In order to pass the signal through the sound card and then mix it > back in to the stream, the appropriate udev rule could be applied on a > hot plug event. I believe this is where jackd would fit in, making it > easier to allow for the lack of direct pin assignments to digital > device outputs. > > aplay -L will show what audio devices are detected. Although the lack > of one to one pin assignment, as noted in the links, may be > insurmountable without the jackd daemon to handle the kernelspace > mappings. > > There is a lot of RF noise when you take an analog audio signal > directly from the back of the computer. Better to deliver it to a > "clean" switch digitally before converting it to analog. > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:14 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier > wrote: > > | From: Thomas Milne > > > > | If I have an HDMI out on my video card, and I connect to my TV, is that > all > > | I need? Should that convey the sound? The manual for the video card > says > > | nothing on the subject. There were no extra cables or anything, though > some > > | people seem to be saying you need to connect the video card to a sound > > | device? > > > > It depends on the card. I'd bet almost all modern cards with HDMI-out > > also support sound out on HDMI. > > > > You were having problems with your GeForce GT 520 card. That card > > would have sound out. See section 6.1.4 in > > < > ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/gpu-hdmi-audio-document/gpu-hdmi-audio.html > > > > (Not sure why it is XFree86.) > > > > There are different kinds of audio supported on HDMI. Not all types > > are supported by all cards. From : > > > > For digital audio, if an HDMI device supports audio, it is required to > > support the baseline format: stereo (uncompressed) PCM. Other formats > > are optional, with HDMI allowing up to 8 channels of uncompressed > > audio at sample sizes of 16-bit, 20-bit and 24-bit, with sample rates > > of 32 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 96 kHz, 176.4 kHz and 192 > > kHz.[21][45] HDMI also supports any IEC 61937-compliant compressed > > audio stream, such as Dolby Digital and DTS, and up to 8 channels of > > one-bit DSD audio (used on Super Audio CDs) at rates up to four times > > that of Super Audio CD.[45] With version 1.3, HDMI supports lossless > > compressed audio streams Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.[45] As > > with the YCbCr video, device support for audio is optional. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jun 5 16:42:14 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 12:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Thomas Milne | Another thing I just noticed about this video card. On the box, in very very | small print are the 'minimum requirements', which I normally don't pay much | attention to because it usually just talks about how I need Windows ;) | Anyhow, this one actually says I need at _least_ 2 GB of system memory. 2 | GB!!?? Wow, I only have 1 GB, so I need to upgrade I guess... That cannot be a real requirement. Some (cheapish) cards need some main memory to use as a video frame buffer or texture buffer or whatever. Sometimes called "shared" I think. I think that my Acer Revos require 256M of RAM to be dedicated for optimal performance. You haven't definitely said what card you are dealing with. Is it the GeForce GT 520? I think that that has dedicated (on-board) RAM and doesn't need any shared memory. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jun 5 17:05:40 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 13:05:40 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:42 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Thomas Milne > > | Another thing I just noticed about this video card. On the box, in very > very > | small print are the 'minimum requirements', which I normally don't pay > much > | attention to because it usually just talks about how I need Windows ;) > | Anyhow, this one actually says I need at _least_ 2 GB of system memory. 2 > | GB!!?? Wow, I only have 1 GB, so I need to upgrade I guess... > > That cannot be a real requirement. > > Some (cheapish) cards need some main memory to use as a video frame > buffer or texture buffer or whatever. Sometimes called "shared" I > think. I think that my Acer Revos require 256M of RAM to be dedicated > for optimal performance. > > You haven't definitely said what card you are dealing with. > Is it the GeForce GT 520? I think that that has dedicated (on-board) RAM > and doesn't need any shared memory. Sorry, yes, the GT 520. It does have 1 GB of video mem. Why would it say that on the box, then? Are they in collusion with the RAM mfgrs? ;) I just learned that the lockups I'm experiencing are likely the result of a bug in Flash and/or Nvidia, a weird one that leaves the mouse cursor active and the sound playing, but everything else is unresponsive. Apparently this can be fixed with a BIOS update, which is fine I guess because this was intended to be a learning experience :) -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jun 5 21:30:37 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 17:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Thomas Milne | Sorry, yes, the GT 520. It does have 1 GB of video mem. Why would it say | that on the box, then? Are they in collusion with the RAM mfgrs? ;) Maybe that's what they think you need to run something they supplied, like a free game or DVD player. Surely under Windows of some flavour. You actually need less memory with this card than you do with cheaper video controllers that do steal main memory. | I just learned that the lockups I'm experiencing are likely the result of a | bug in Flash and/or Nvidia, a weird one that leaves the mouse cursor active | and the sound playing, but everything else is unresponsive. Apparently this | can be fixed with a BIOS update, which is fine I guess because this was | intended to be a learning experience :) You said the F word. All kinds of misbehavior can be blamed on Flash. Including system insecurity. Cross-platform insecurity! And forced-march upgrades. It's so proprietary. Just say no to Flash I don't run Flash. That means that I cannot figure out most Toronto restaurant web pages. A number of CBC website videos and audios are not available either. But my life is better for not having Flash. A BIOS update to fix a Flash bug is a bit strange. Perhaps it is actually a BIOS bug that manifests itself when running Flash. OT: I'm reading about a lot of challenges running the default Ubuntu 11.04 and Fedora 15 desktops. Both seem to require solid video driver support that isn't available in many hw/sw combinations. I think your card + proprietary nVidia drivers works fairly well on these current distro releases. This is interesting: -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org Sun Jun 5 21:56:09 2011 From: adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 17:56:09 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110605215609.GK22558@adb.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > A BIOS update to fix a Flash bug is a bit strange. Perhaps it is > actually a BIOS bug that manifests itself when running Flash. I'd almost be inclined to put a fiver on it being a Flash bug that gets exposed in a particular perfectly legitimate BIOS mode, so the "bug fix" is to disable the mode. But then, I've been burned by a few other "too big to care" vendors and had to come up with creative workarounds for their mistakes. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 6 02:15:51 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 22:15:51 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: <20110605215609.GK22558-SACILpcuo74@public.gmane.org> References: <20110605215609.GK22558@adb.ca> Message-ID: I may have understood or explained it poorly, I think the 'bug' is that the BIOS doesn't have support for a feature that Flash and Nvidia need to work together. One person mentioned 'stepping', but I haven't had time to really read up on it yet. In any case, I have a brand new Nvidia card slotted in a 6 year old motherboard, so I'm comfortable with the assumption that my motherboard might need updating :) On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Anthony de Boer wrote: > D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > A BIOS update to fix a Flash bug is a bit strange. Perhaps it is > > actually a BIOS bug that manifests itself when running Flash. > > I'd almost be inclined to put a fiver on it being a Flash bug that > gets exposed in a particular perfectly legitimate BIOS mode, so the > "bug fix" is to disable the mode. > > But then, I've been burned by a few other "too big to care" vendors > and had to come up with creative workarounds for their mistakes. > > -- > Anthony de Boer > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 6 02:22:59 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 22:22:59 -0400 Subject: HDMI out to TV, no sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 5:30 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Thomas Milne > > | Sorry, yes, the GT 520. It does have 1 GB of video mem. Why would it say > | that on the box, then? Are they in collusion with the RAM mfgrs? ;) > > Maybe that's what they think you need to run something they supplied, > like a free game or DVD player. Surely under Windows of some flavour. > > You actually need less memory with this card than you do with cheaper > video controllers that do steal main memory. > > | I just learned that the lockups I'm experiencing are likely the result of > a > | bug in Flash and/or Nvidia, a weird one that leaves the mouse cursor > active > | and the sound playing, but everything else is unresponsive. Apparently > this > | can be fixed with a BIOS update, which is fine I guess because this was > | intended to be a learning experience :) > > You said the F word. All kinds of misbehavior can be blamed on Flash. > Including system insecurity. Cross-platform insecurity! And > forced-march upgrades. It's so proprietary. Just say no to Flash > Believe me, I'm praying that someday someone comes up with an open solution. When I heard about HTML 5 I was so hopeful, but not much has come of that I guess. Most of the world is still Flash, or even worse, Silverlight. > I don't run Flash. That means that I cannot figure out most Toronto > restaurant web pages. A number of CBC website videos and audios are > not available either. But my life is better for not having > Flash. > > A BIOS update to fix a Flash bug is a bit strange. Perhaps it is > actually a BIOS bug that manifests itself when running Flash. > I think the second one is more accurate. I should not have called it a 'flash bug'. I totally understand what you mean about Flash. It can be a serious pain, but I've grown quite fond of certain sites like Democracy Now and the like, so I guess it's a necessary evil. > > OT: I'm reading about a lot of challenges running the default Ubuntu > 11.04 and Fedora 15 desktops. Both seem to require solid video driver > support that isn't available in many hw/sw combinations. I think your > card + proprietary nVidia drivers works fairly well on these current > distro releases. This is interesting: > < > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_desktop_managers1&num=1 > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 6 18:18:43 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 14:18:43 -0400 Subject: BIOS updates in Linux? Message-ID: Maybe I'm using the wrong search terms, but I can't find anything on updating an Asus mobo BIOS from Linux. On the Asus site, they did have Linux listed in the menu for update files, but when I download the BIOS update from their link, it is an MS executable file. None of my machines have a floppy drive, so I can't boot from an MSDOS disk, even if I had one. How do people normally handle this? -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 6 18:24:40 2011 From: instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (aaron d) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 14:24:40 -0400 Subject: BIOS updates in Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Could try "flashrom" if you can actually get the actual binary files you need to update. A lot of mobo makers (like my Gigabyte) package their BIOS files in self-extracting exes. Some of these happen to just be zipped/7zipped and can be extracted with those tool despite what the file extension would have you believe. Alternatively, you could try the windows tools in wine. -aaron On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > Maybe I'm using the wrong search terms, but I can't find anything on > updating an Asus mobo BIOS from Linux. On the Asus site, they did have Linux > listed in the menu for update files, but when I download the BIOS update > from their link, it is an MS executable file. None of my machines have a > floppy drive, so I can't boot from an MSDOS disk, even if I had one. How do > people normally handle this? > > -- > Thomas Milne > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 6 18:56:48 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 11:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: BIOS updates in Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <149692.17351.qm@web113404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> If it's relatively recent Asus board, you can use USB stick (formatted DOS, of course). -- William >________________________________ >From: Thomas Milne >To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >Sent: Monday, June 6, 2011 2:18:43 PM >Subject: [TLUG]: BIOS updates in Linux? > > >Maybe I'm using the wrong search terms, but I can't find anything on updating an Asus mobo BIOS from Linux. On the Asus site, they did have Linux listed in the menu for update files, but when I download the BIOS update from their link, it is an MS executable file. None of my machines have a floppy drive, so I can't boot from an MSDOS disk, even if I had one. How do people normally handle this? > >-- > >Thomas Milne > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 6 18:58:05 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 14:58:05 -0400 Subject: BIOS updates in Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, that looks very cool, thanks! The update that I got from Asus had a .rom file in it as well as the .exe. I would assume that is the file I need. On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:24 PM, aaron d wrote: > Could try "flashrom" if you can actually get the actual binary files you > need to update. > > A lot of mobo makers (like my Gigabyte) package their BIOS files in > self-extracting exes. Some of these happen to just be zipped/7zipped and can > be extracted with those tool despite what the file extension would have you > believe. Alternatively, you could try the windows tools in wine. > > -aaron > > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Thomas Milne > wrote: > >> Maybe I'm using the wrong search terms, but I can't find anything on >> updating an Asus mobo BIOS from Linux. On the Asus site, they did have Linux >> listed in the menu for update files, but when I download the BIOS update >> from their link, it is an MS executable file. None of my machines have a >> floppy drive, so I can't boot from an MSDOS disk, even if I had one. How do >> people normally handle this? >> >> -- >> Thomas Milne >> >> > -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 6 19:18:47 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:18:47 -0400 Subject: BIOS updates in Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110606191847.GM21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 02:18:43PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > Maybe I'm using the wrong search terms, but I can't find anything on > updating an Asus mobo BIOS from Linux. On the Asus site, they did have Linux > listed in the menu for update files, but when I download the BIOS update > from their link, it is an MS executable file. None of my machines have a > floppy drive, so I can't boot from an MSDOS disk, even if I had one. How do > people normally handle this? Most ASUS boards made in the last 10 or so years can flash themselves from USB. Hit alt+F2 at the bios and it will boot a bios flasher. Some can even flash from CD. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 6 19:19:50 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:19:50 -0400 Subject: BIOS updates in Linux? In-Reply-To: <20110606191847.GM21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110606191847.GM21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110606191950.GN21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 03:18:47PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Most ASUS boards made in the last 10 or so years can flash themselves > from USB. Hit alt+F2 at the bios and it will boot a bios flasher. > Some can even flash from CD. The only thing you need on the USB key is a fat filesystem with the properly named bios file in the root. The bios filename it wants is usually not what is in the zip file, but renaming it is easy. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 6 19:22:06 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:22:06 -0400 Subject: BIOS updates in Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Be careful many dos based utilities limit where they will search for the rom, usb bus etc. Try this from. http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/663321 Sm1th Whirlpool Forums Addict I normally use ... a rewritable cd freedos boot image afudos with bios rom Bit of a hassle but you don't update your bios everyday. You can get afudos from here : dlsvr01.asus.com/pub/ASU...sh/AFUDOS226.zip You can get freedos image from here : www.ibiblio.org/pub/micr...s/1.0/fdboot.img mount it .. mount -t vfat -o loop fdboot.img /[whatever dir you want] I usually make a BIOS directory and copy the rom and afudos in there unmount make it into an iso mkdir bootcd cp fdboot.img bootcd mkisofs -r -b fdboot.img -c boot.cat -o fdboot.iso bootcd burn the iso Boot it up into command prompt cd \BIOS and run afudos /i All done. On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > Hey, that looks very cool, thanks! The update that I got from Asus had a > .rom file in it as well as the .exe. I would assume that is the file I > need. > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:24 PM, aaron d wrote: >> >> Could try "flashrom" if you can actually get the actual binary files you >> need to update. >> A lot of mobo makers (like my Gigabyte) package their BIOS files in >> self-extracting exes. Some of these happen to just be zipped/7zipped and can >> be extracted with those tool despite what the file extension would have you >> believe. Alternatively, you could try the windows tools in wine. >> -aaron >> >> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Thomas Milne >> wrote: >>> >>> Maybe I'm using the wrong search terms, but I can't find anything on >>> updating an Asus mobo BIOS from Linux. On the Asus site, they did have Linux >>> listed in the menu for update files, but when I download the BIOS update >>> from their link, it is an MS executable file. None of my machines have a >>> floppy drive, so I can't boot from an MSDOS disk, even if I had one. How do >>> people normally handle this? >>> >>> -- >>> Thomas Milne >> > > > > -- > Thomas Milne > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 6 21:28:20 2011 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Wireless routers Message-ID: I will probably need a wireless router very shortly. Can anyone recommend a good, inexpensive model? Are there any to stay away from? -- Chris F.A. Johnson, Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 6 21:47:24 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:47:24 -0400 Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110606214724.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 05:28:20PM -0400, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > I will probably need a wireless router very shortly. > > Can anyone recommend a good, inexpensive model? > > Are there any to stay away from? What do you want it to do? In my case I wanted simultanious dual band, and dd-wrt/openwrt support and lots of ram and flash, so to me $150 was inexpensive for the DIR-825 rev B I have. You may not need those features and hence think it is expensive. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 6 21:52:01 2011 From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:52:01 -0400 Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you are looking for something relatively inexpensive to what Lennart suggested, you can try the Linksys WRT54GL, it's a older model but can run OpenWRT/Tomato/DD-WRT. It's wireless G and has 100mbps ports NCIX has them - http://ncix.com/products/?sku=17408&vpn=WRT54GL&manufacture=Linksys If you are looking for something more modern and more powerful hardware wise, I would suggest this one - http://ncix.com/products/?sku=45265&vpn=RT-N16&manufacture=ASUS On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > > I will probably need a wireless router very shortly. > > Can anyone recommend a good, inexpensive model? > > Are there any to stay away from? > > -- > Chris F.A. Johnson, > Author: > Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) > Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Sadiq S http://asininetech.com https://launchpad.net/~staticsafe https://github.com/staticsafe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yeah, you can get routers that'll run Tomato or OpenWRT, or such, but it seems to me that this is rather more fragile than getting "some generic Linksys thing," running it *stock*, with a configuration that can be described on a sheet of paper kept in a notebook, and which can be replaced without having to think too hard about it. I'm finding that I prefer to treat my router as an appliance that's as dumb as I can keep it. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 6 22:49:03 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:49:03 -0400 Subject: BIOS updates in Linux? In-Reply-To: <20110606191847.GM21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110606191847.GM21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 02:18:43PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > Maybe I'm using the wrong search terms, but I can't find anything on > > updating an Asus mobo BIOS from Linux. On the Asus site, they did have > Linux > > listed in the menu for update files, but when I download the BIOS update > > from their link, it is an MS executable file. None of my machines have a > > floppy drive, so I can't boot from an MSDOS disk, even if I had one. How > do > > people normally handle this? > > Most ASUS boards made in the last 10 or so years can flash themselves > from USB. Hit alt+F2 at the bios and it will boot a bios flasher. > Some can even flash from CD. > > Do I have to have the bootable USB drive attached when I try this? I tried it a couple of times just now and it killed the display. I had to reboot to get display back. -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 6 22:51:02 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:51:02 -0400 Subject: BIOS updates in Linux? In-Reply-To: <20110606191950.GN21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110606191847.GM21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110606191950.GN21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 03:18:47PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Most ASUS boards made in the last 10 or so years can flash themselves > > from USB. Hit alt+F2 at the bios and it will boot a bios flasher. > > Some can even flash from CD. > > The only thing you need on the USB key is a fat filesystem with the > properly named bios file in the root. The bios filename it wants is > usually not what is in the zip file, but renaming it is easy. > > - > Ah, okay, so it doesn't have to be bootable. -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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How > do > > people normally handle this? > > Most ASUS boards made in the last 10 or so years can flash themselves > from USB. Hit alt+F2 at the bios and it will boot a bios flasher. > Some can even flash from CD. > > Yeah, I just found this: http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM2/M2V/ Quote: With ASUS EZ Flash, you can update BIOS directly from the BIOS setup menu. No more DOS-based flash utility and bootable diskette required. However, I can find nothing in the BIOS menu when I boot and hit Del or F2, and again hitting alt+f2 just kills the display, I get 'no signal' from the monitor. -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 05:43:10 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 01:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Christopher Browne | I'm finding | that I prefer to treat my router as an appliance that's as dumb as I | can keep it. "Pick your battles" is a way of putting it. I don't get around to hacking on consumer wireless routers as much as I intend. Evidence for your point. I use a stock Linksys WRT400N as a wireless router for my household. I want to use it as a wireless access point, but it causes my wired network to get into a bad state. I think. I haven't had time to debug that. The WRT400N seemed like a good choice when I bought it last year. + dual band N + all Atheros, so there are open source drivers so it is good for OpenWRT + lots of RAM and flash - 100M wired ethernet, not 1G + reasonable price (well under $100). - now replaced in the Linksys/Cisco line I think. I use old PCs for my two main routers ("security gateways"). I'd like to hack an amply powerful consumer wireless router to replace them. The weather is getting hotter. The project just doesn't get to the top of my pile. If you don't care about dual-band N, the TP-Link TL-WR1043ND looks good I saw it somewhere for $50 this week. You can find it for $60 at Sig Electronics. If you don't care about N at all, I could probably let you have one of my too-many wireless routers that support only B and G. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 12:15:31 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 08:15:31 -0400 Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DEE1663.9050704@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I use a stock Linksys WRT400N as a wireless router for my household. I want to > use it as a wireless access point, but it causes my wired network to > get into a bad state. I think. I haven't had time to debug that. > > While most routers can be configured to act as an access point, there are some that are designed for the task. I have an ASUS WL-330gE portable access point and there's also the D-Link DAP-1350 pocket router and access point. Both are available at Canada Computers. Both have multiple configurations, but the ASUS has more modes and the D-Link does 802.11N -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 13:09:59 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 06:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: <4DEE1663.9050704-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DEE1663.9050704@rogers.com> Message-ID: <436412.97539.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I thought all "wireless router" acts as both router and wireless access point, ie. it has antenna and 4 ethernet ports at the back. -- William >________________________________ >From: James Knott >To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2011 8:15:31 AM >Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Wireless routers > >D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> I use a stock Linksys WRT400N as a wireless router for my household.? I want to >> use it as a wireless access point, but it causes my wired network to >> get into a bad state.? I think.? I haven't had time to debug that. >> >>? ? > >While most routers can be configured to act as an access point, there are some that are designed for the task.? I have an ASUS WL-330gE portable access point and there's also the D-Link DAP-1350 pocket router and access point.? Both are available at Canada Computers.? Both have multiple configurations, but the ASUS has more modes and the D-Link does 802.11N > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 13:55:56 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:55:56 -0400 Subject: BIOS updates in Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <20110606191847.GM21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110607135556.GP21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:49:03PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > Do I have to have the bootable USB drive attached when I try this? I tried > it a couple of times just now and it killed the display. I had to reboot to > get display back. No. The flash program is built in and self booting. The USB just has to have the BIOS update file on it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 14:05:44 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:05:44 -0400 Subject: BIOS updates in Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <20110606191847.GM21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110607140544.GQ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 07:06:41PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > Yeah, I just found this: > > http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM2/M2V/ > > Quote: > > With ASUS EZ Flash, you can update BIOS directly from the BIOS setup menu. > No more DOS-based flash utility and bootable diskette required. > > However, I can find nothing in the BIOS menu when I boot and hit Del or F2, > and again hitting alt+f2 just kills the display, I get 'no signal' from the > monitor. The same place you would hit Del is where you would hit alt+f2. Of course some boards may use a different key. It is NOT in the BIOS menu, it is before that. The manual says that during the BIOS test, hit alt+F2 and have a file named M2V.ROM on floppy. Not sure they mean only floppies are supported. I hope not. Of course a USB emulating a floppy might work too, not sure. I guess it depends how old the machine is. Some machines are old enough that floppies are simply assumed to exist. Of course getting a freedos bootable floppy image that can be put on a CD with floppy boot emulation should work too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 14:06:03 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 10:06:03 -0400 Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: <436412.97539.qm-iGg6QNsgFOH6X00i2u5GFvu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <4DEE1663.9050704@rogers.com> <436412.97539.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DEE304B.40902@rogers.com> You can generally use a router as an access point by connecting the switch side to your local network. Some can be explicitly configured for this use, but others you have to set the WAN port to a static IP and optionally disable the DHCP server etc. If you leave the DHCP server enabled, you have to ensure it passes the correct info and does not overlap the address range of another server. William Park wrote: > I thought all "wireless router" acts as both router and wireless > access point, ie. it has antenna and 4 ethernet ports at the back. > -- > William > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* James Knott > *To:* tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 7, 2011 8:15:31 AM > *Subject:* Re: [TLUG]: Wireless routers > > D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > I use a stock Linksys WRT400N as a wireless router for my > household. I want to > > use it as a wireless access point, but it causes my wired network to > > get into a bad state. I think. I haven't had time to debug that. > > > > > > While most routers can be configured to act as an access point, > there are some that are designed for the task. I have an ASUS > WL-330gE portable access point and there's also the D-Link > DAP-1350 pocket router and access point. Both are available at > Canada Computers. Both have multiple configurations, but the ASUS > has more modes and the D-Link does 802.11N > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 14:25:34 2011 From: avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Volkov) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:25:34 -0400 Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: tp-link 1043nd. Mainly because it has a very strong signal that holds onto a connnection very well, and because you can reflash it with OpenWRT which I consider the distribution that follows opensource philosophoy most closely, it is like debian of embedded distributions. Also all of its ports are gigabit. Also you can get this router for about $80 with tax from canadacomputers. Alex. On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > > ?I will probably need a wireless router very shortly. > > ?Can anyone recommend a good, inexpensive model? > > ?Are there any to stay away from? > > -- > ? Chris F.A. Johnson, > ? Author: > ? Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) > ? Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ken-qoNZw2a/gFtBDLzU/O5InQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 14:41:49 2011 From: ken-qoNZw2a/gFtBDLzU/O5InQ at public.gmane.org (Ken Heard) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 10:41:49 -0400 Subject: [OT] Obsolete software and books Message-ID: <4DEE38AD.6030002@heard.name> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Before disposing of obsolete software -- some going back to DOS -- and computer books and manuals overtaken by time, I would like to determine if there are any persons or organizations, e.g., museums, who collect such historical artifacts and would be interested in them. Does anyone know of any such persons or organizations? Ken Heard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAk3uOKwACgkQlNlJzOkJmTf7SACdFe9Dm2fl8gy97MqLG3vr6r81 v0kAnj51fLN/ItKoApnlJnpEU55AdgxX =lX6o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sammy.lao-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 15:07:47 2011 From: sammy.lao-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Sammy Lao) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:07:47 -0400 Subject: [OT] Obsolete software and books In-Reply-To: <4DEE38AD.6030002-qoNZw2a/gFtBDLzU/O5InQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4DEE38AD.6030002@heard.name> Message-ID: Well, I'd suggest the Toronto Free Net. They have a library in their office with technical manuals all the way back from the 90's. They are on Bay and Dundas. Sent from my mobile On 2011-06-07, at 10:41, Ken Heard wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Before disposing of obsolete software -- some going back to DOS -- and > computer books and manuals overtaken by time, I would like to determine > if there are any persons or organizations, e.g., museums, who collect > such historical artifacts and would be interested in them. Does anyone > know of any such persons or organizations? > > Ken Heard > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAk3uOKwACgkQlNlJzOkJmTf7SACdFe9Dm2fl8gy97MqLG3vr6r81 > v0kAnj51fLN/ItKoApnlJnpEU55AdgxX > =lX6o > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 19:56:27 2011 From: daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org (Daniel Wayne Armstrong) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 15:56:27 -0400 Subject: Pan newsreader cannot be installed on Debian Sid Message-ID: Pan newsreader package in Debian Sid cannot be installed. It has a dependency for libgmime-2.0-2a ... but libgmime-2.4-2 is installed. This appears to be a known problem: http://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php?dist=sid&package=pan I tried downloading and installing all the other dependencies + the more-recent available version of libgmime - older version is not availble in Sid - and downloading and installing the pan package with a 'dpkg --ignore-depends=libgmime-2.0-2a -i pan_0.133-1.1_i386.deb' ... but it won't launch: $ pan pan: error while loading shared libraries: libgmime-2.0.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory It *really* wants that libgmime-2.0-2a. Any suggestions how I might work around this? Thanks! -- (\__/) -- Daniel (=.= ) -- http://circuidipity.com (")_(") -- http://identi.ca/dwa -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 20:02:25 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 16:02:25 -0400 Subject: Pan newsreader cannot be installed on Debian Sid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: use ldconfig and search for the lib to see if in a different spot, or slightly different name. you can try a sym link from what its expecting to a new version. or try install purely from src tarball tl On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote: > Pan newsreader package in Debian Sid cannot be installed. It has a > dependency for libgmime-2.0-2a ... but libgmime-2.4-2 is installed. > This appears to be a known problem: > > http://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php?dist=sid&package=pan > > I tried downloading and installing all the other dependencies + the > more-recent available version of libgmime - older version is not > availble in Sid - and downloading and installing the pan package with > a 'dpkg --ignore-depends=libgmime-2.0-2a -i pan_0.133-1.1_i386.deb' > ... but it won't launch: > > $ pan > pan: error while loading shared libraries: libgmime-2.0.so.2: cannot > open shared object file: No such file or directory > > It *really* wants that libgmime-2.0-2a. > > Any suggestions how I might work around this? Thanks! > > -- > (\__/) -- Daniel > (=.= ) -- http://circuidipity.com > (")_(") -- http://identi.ca/dwa > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 20:03:12 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 16:03:12 -0400 Subject: Pan newsreader cannot be installed on Debian Sid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would try handling it a couple ways: See how hard it would be to compile libgmime yourself, and compile and install the version your self. (You can use checkinstall application to make it a package) Or. If libgmime differents are not that much you can try linking your current version of libgmime to libgmine-2.0.so.2, though that way is messy and just causing alot of trouble :) I wouldn't suggest it but it might work. Anyway, I wonder what other people think. On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Daniel Wayne Armstrong < daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Pan newsreader package in Debian Sid cannot be installed. It has a > dependency for libgmime-2.0-2a ... but libgmime-2.4-2 is installed. > This appears to be a known problem: > > http://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php?dist=sid&package=pan > > I tried downloading and installing all the other dependencies + the > more-recent available version of libgmime - older version is not > availble in Sid - and downloading and installing the pan package with > a 'dpkg --ignore-depends=libgmime-2.0-2a -i pan_0.133-1.1_i386.deb' > ... but it won't launch: > > $ pan > pan: error while loading shared libraries: libgmime-2.0.so.2: cannot > open shared object file: No such file or directory > > It *really* wants that libgmime-2.0-2a. > > Any suggestions how I might work around this? Thanks! > > -- > (\__/) -- Daniel > (=.= ) -- http://circuidipity.com > (")_(") -- http://identi.ca/dwa > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 21:41:26 2011 From: daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org (Daniel Wayne Armstrong) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:41:26 -0400 Subject: Pan newsreader cannot be installed on Debian Sid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > I would try handling it a couple ways: > > See how hard it would be to compile libgmime yourself, and compile and > install the version your self. (You can use checkinstall application to make > it a package) > > Or. > > If libgmime differents are not that much you can try linking your current > version of libgmime to libgmine-2.0.so.2, though that way is messy and just > causing alot of trouble :) I wouldn't suggest it but it might work. > > Anyway, I wonder what other people think. Thanks for the mention of ldconfig and checkinstall ... learned something new today. What I ended up doing was simply grab the old libgmime from Wheezy and install it using dpkg ... that satisfied aptitude and it installed pan. -- (\__/) -- Daniel (=.= ) -- http://circuidipity.com (")_(") -- http://identi.ca/dwa -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 22:00:23 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 18:00:23 -0400 Subject: Pan newsreader cannot be installed on Debian Sid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110607220023.GR21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 03:56:27PM -0400, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote: > Pan newsreader package in Debian Sid cannot be installed. It has a > dependency for libgmime-2.0-2a ... but libgmime-2.4-2 is installed. > This appears to be a known problem: > > http://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php?dist=sid&package=pan > > I tried downloading and installing all the other dependencies + the > more-recent available version of libgmime - older version is not > availble in Sid - and downloading and installing the pan package with > a 'dpkg --ignore-depends=libgmime-2.0-2a -i pan_0.133-1.1_i386.deb' > ... but it won't launch: > > $ pan > pan: error while loading shared libraries: libgmime-2.0.so.2: cannot > open shared object file: No such file or directory > > It *really* wants that libgmime-2.0-2a. > > Any suggestions how I might work around this? Thanks! You could try: apt-get build-dep pan apt-get source -b pan Maybe if you recompile it will compile against the new library version and be happy. Otherwise there isn't much you can do. It is depending on an obsolete library that you don't have, so it won't run. Short of putting the obsolete library manually into /usr/local/lib there really is no way around it. Now having just tried the apt-get commands, that doesn't work, because the build-dep includes that obsolete library. Converting from gmime 2.0 to 2.4 seems non trivial unfortunately. pan 0.134 is gmime 2.4 compatible (being 3 years newer than 0.133). It appears to be labeled beta though and isn't packaged in debian. Anyhow, I made a new package. Find it at http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/pan/ If you get the .dsc, .diff.gz and .tar.gz and put them in one directory you should be able to build it with: dpkg-source -x pan_0.134-0.0.dsc cd pan-0.134 dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b cd .. dpkg -i pan_0.134*deb If the dpkg-buildpackage fails with a list of missing dependancies, well install those with apt-get install and try again. My build for amd64 unstable is there too and it runs on my machine. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 22:28:49 2011 From: daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org (Daniel Wayne Armstrong) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 18:28:49 -0400 Subject: Pan newsreader cannot be installed on Debian Sid In-Reply-To: <20110607220023.GR21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110607220023.GR21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 03:56:27PM -0400, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote: >> Pan newsreader package in Debian Sid cannot be installed. It has a >> dependency for libgmime-2.0-2a ... but libgmime-2.4-2 is installed. >> This appears to be a known problem: >> >> http://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php?dist=sid&package=pan >> >> I tried downloading and installing all the other dependencies + the >> more-recent available version of libgmime - older version is not >> availble in Sid - and downloading and installing the pan package with >> a 'dpkg --ignore-depends=libgmime-2.0-2a -i pan_0.133-1.1_i386.deb' >> ... but it won't launch: >> >> $ pan >> pan: error while loading shared libraries: libgmime-2.0.so.2: cannot >> open shared object file: No such file or directory >> >> It *really* wants that libgmime-2.0-2a. >> >> Any suggestions how I might work around this? Thanks! > > You could try: > > apt-get build-dep pan > apt-get source -b pan > > Maybe if you recompile it will compile against the new library version > and be happy. > > Otherwise there isn't much you can do. ?It is depending on an obsolete > library that you don't have, so it won't run. > > Short of putting the obsolete library manually into /usr/local/lib there > really is no way around it. > > Now having just tried the apt-get commands, that doesn't work, because > the build-dep includes that obsolete library. > > Converting from gmime 2.0 to 2.4 seems non trivial unfortunately. > pan 0.134 is gmime 2.4 compatible (being 3 years newer than 0.133). > It appears to be labeled beta though and isn't packaged in debian. > > Anyhow, I made a new package. ?Find it at > http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/pan/ > > If you get the .dsc, .diff.gz and .tar.gz and put them in one directory > you should be able to build it with: > dpkg-source -x pan_0.134-0.0.dsc > cd pan-0.134 > dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b > cd .. > dpkg -i pan_0.134*deb > > If the dpkg-buildpackage fails with a list of missing dependancies, > well install those with apt-get install and try again. > > My build for amd64 unstable is there too and it runs on my machine. Thanks Lennart ... Though the 'libgmime-2.0-2a' package from wheezy is working out. I currently have both packages installed under Sid: ii libgmime-2.0-2a 2.2.25-2 MIME library ii libgmime-2.4-2 2.4.23-1 MIME message parser and creator library - runtime I take it that they can peacefully coexist because the version is in the package name ... clearly marking them as different packages? Pan newsreader is now installed from Sid and seems to be running fine. I am bookmarking your email because learning how to make a Debian package is definitely on my "ToLearn" list. -- (\__/) -- Daniel (=.= ) -- http://circuidipity.com (")_(") -- http://identi.ca/dwa -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 22:31:03 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 18:31:03 -0400 Subject: A Open Source Software project that lets you map a computer network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110607223103.GA2982@yam.witteman.ca> On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 05:59:40PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: > >I was wondering if anyone knows of a good open source product (or if any is >available) that I can use to generate a Diagram of a computer network. > >(Computers,routers,switches,network boxes) I use dia[1] for all my non-scripted diagramming needs. For generated diagrams I use graphviz[2]. [1] http://live.gnome.org/Dia [2] http://www.graphviz.org/ -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 22:32:35 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 18:32:35 -0400 Subject: A Open Source Software project that lets you map a computer network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i went down this road already, search high and low, i found the answer ............. VISIO always what i consider the most missing piece of a linux eco system. I think i found one propriety (will run on linux sol'n) other then visio, but what was point, had to buy anyways too. If you find something post it back here, but I just don't think there is anything. It was the sole reason i keep a xp on vmware for a few years. tl On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi All, > > I was wondering if anyone knows of a good open source product (or if any is > available) that I can use to generate a Diagram of a computer network. > > (Computers,routers,switches,network boxes) > > I think I'm looking for something like visio? > -- > > > > Dave Germiquet > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 22:41:35 2011 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 18:41:35 -0400 Subject: A Open Source Software project that lets you map a computer network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you check Dia? Asaf Sent from my iPhone. Please reply to asaf-EkmVulN54SnhvxM+mQhndA at public.gmane.org Asaf Maruf On 2011-06-07, at 5:59 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi All, > > I was wondering if anyone knows of a good open source product (or if any is available) that I can use to generate a Diagram of a computer network. > > (Computers,routers,switches,network boxes) > > I think I'm looking for something like visio? > -- > > > > Dave Germiquet > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 7 23:49:48 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:49:48 -0400 Subject: How to change GIMP defaults? Message-ID: <20110607234948.GB5295@waltdnes.org> I use GIMP for working on photos I take. When I change the size of the X dimension, it's because I'm cropping the image in the X dimension. I do *NOT* want to reduce the Y size correspondingly. When I open an image and select... "Image ==> Canvas Size" the Width and Height are linked together, and I sometimes forget to unlink them, wasting time and having to re-do crops. Is there a way to get the default to be that the Width and Height are not linked? I looked at... "Edit ==> Preferences", but couldn't find anything relavant. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 8 00:19:41 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 20:19:41 -0400 Subject: A Open Source Software project that lets you map a computer network In-Reply-To: <20110607223103.GA2982-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110607223103.GA2982@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:31 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 05:59:40PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> >>I was wondering if anyone knows of a good open source product (or if any is >>available) that I can use to generate a Diagram of a computer network. >> >>(Computers,routers,switches,network boxes) > > I use dia[1] for all my non-scripted diagramming needs. ?For generated > diagrams I use graphviz[2]. > > [1] http://live.gnome.org/Dia > [2] http://www.graphviz.org/ I mirror that list, though I often use TCM for "structural modelling" http://wwwhome.cs.utwente.nl/~tcm/ It's not nearly as "pretty" as Visio, but when designing stuff, less is often more. I'll observe that the MacOS product, OmniGraffle, uses GraphViz as its rendering tool. I think there's room for a tool that helps generate GraphViz files, graphically, but then uses the very-smart capabilities of GraphViz to arrange the objects on the page. The two things Dia has as serious deficiencies, doubtless compared to Visio, are: a) Inability to import from dynamic things (e.g. - like reading in SQL schemas to generate E/R diagrams, and such), and b) Absence of automatic layout. The "OmniGraffle model" of using GraphViz to manage layout could be an answer to that. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 8 00:38:25 2011 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 20:38:25 -0400 Subject: A Open Source Software project that lets you map a computer network In-Reply-To: References: <20110607223103.GA2982@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: I've been using http://www.lucidchart.com/ which runs just fine in Chromium and in Firefox. The downside is that you can't download an editable version using the Free version. I haven't bothered to upgrade to the paid version as I just work on my diagrams "in the cloud" and download .png files to host on our wiki. -jason On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:31 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman > wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 05:59:40PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: > >> > >>I was wondering if anyone knows of a good open source product (or if any > is > >>available) that I can use to generate a Diagram of a computer network. > >> > >>(Computers,routers,switches,network boxes) > > > > I use dia[1] for all my non-scripted diagramming needs. For generated > > diagrams I use graphviz[2]. > > > > [1] http://live.gnome.org/Dia > > [2] http://www.graphviz.org/ > > I mirror that list, though I often use TCM for "structural modelling" > http://wwwhome.cs.utwente.nl/~tcm/ > > It's not nearly as "pretty" as Visio, but when designing stuff, less > is often more. > > I'll observe that the MacOS product, OmniGraffle, uses GraphViz as its > rendering tool. I think there's room for a tool that helps generate > GraphViz files, graphically, but then uses the very-smart capabilities > of GraphViz to arrange the objects on the page. > > The two things Dia has as serious deficiencies, doubtless compared to > Visio, are: > a) Inability to import from dynamic things (e.g. - like reading in SQL > schemas to generate E/R diagrams, and such), and > b) Absence of automatic layout. > > The "OmniGraffle model" of using GraphViz to manage layout could be an > answer to that. > -- > When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the > question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I type them > and the computer does not get the keystroke. > > I switch the ports, and behaviour remains the same. > > Any idea as to what is going on? > > Thanks > Stephen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 8 02:15:32 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 22:15:32 -0400 Subject: How to change GIMP defaults? In-Reply-To: <20110607234948.GB5295-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110607234948.GB5295@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > I use GIMP for working on photos I take. When I change the size of > the X dimension, it's because I'm cropping the image in the X dimension. > I do *NOT* want to reduce the Y size correspondingly. > > I just use the crop tool (Scalpel) which doesn't have these limitations, and has an optional aspect ratio if you need a particular shape. Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ - 73 de VA3PID -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 8 02:18:23 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:18:23 -0400 Subject: Strange KVM Switch Behaviour In-Reply-To: <4DEED672.3040300-yMeuRWKn1UT3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4DEE2D44.5010900@rogers.com> <4DEED672.3040300@jadall.ca> Message-ID: <4DEEDBEF.7080301@rogers.com> If plugged directly into the Linux computer all keys are seen. In a previous KVM switch, all keys were seen. On 11-06-07 09:54 PM, Grant Cullen wrote: > Does the linux system see the numeric keypad is it is plugged in > directly to the computer. If not you will need to change the keyboard > definition. > > Grant Cullen > > On 11-06-07 09:53 AM, Stephen wrote: >> I am using an IOGear KVM stitch with an Ubuntu Linux computer and two >> Windows 7 computers. >> >> In the Windows computers all is well. >> >> On the Linux computer, the number keypad keys seem inactive. I type them >> and the computer does not get the keystroke. >> >> I switch the ports, and behaviour remains the same. >> >> Any idea as to what is going on? >> >> Thanks >> Stephen >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 8 04:45:18 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 00:45:18 -0400 Subject: Strange KVM Switch Behaviour In-Reply-To: <4DEEDBEF.7080301-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DEE2D44.5010900@rogers.com> <4DEED672.3040300@jadall.ca> <4DEEDBEF.7080301@rogers.com> Message-ID: i have a 4 port dual view dual-dvi kvm from iogear 1644 i emailed them as my keyboard didn't function as well, in that i have a datahand that is usb, and i plug it into the keyboard in usb, and some keys don't work, plug it into the peripheral usb in (for any usb device to be shared) and the keyboard works perfect BUT only keyboards in the usb keyboard in allow for ctrl-ctrl-# and other functions :( i emailed them, they said they know about it, and will not be updating firmware anytime soon :( so i bought a small programmable function keypad to manipulate the kvm, while my datahand stays in the aux usb port. Your problem isn't exactly as mine, but if you have a usb key board, and its special and non-standard in any way, then that may be it. tl On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Stephen wrote: > If plugged directly into the Linux computer all keys are seen. > > In a previous KVM switch, all keys were seen. > > On 11-06-07 09:54 PM, Grant Cullen wrote: >> >> Does the linux system see the numeric keypad is it is plugged in directly >> to the computer. ?If not you will need to change the keyboard definition. >> >> Grant Cullen >> >> On 11-06-07 09:53 AM, Stephen wrote: >>> >>> I am using an IOGear KVM stitch with an Ubuntu Linux computer and two >>> Windows 7 computers. >>> >>> In the Windows computers all is well. >>> >>> On the Linux computer, the number keypad keys seem inactive. I type them >>> and the computer does not get the keystroke. >>> >>> I switch the ports, and behaviour remains the same. >>> >>> Any idea as to what is going on? >>> >>> Thanks >>> Stephen >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 8 11:01:23 2011 From: instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (aaron d) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 07:01:23 -0400 Subject: How to change GIMP defaults? In-Reply-To: References: <20110607234948.GB5295@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: Stewart got it. Use the right tool for the job. On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Stewart Russell wrote: > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > >> I use GIMP for working on photos I take. When I change the size of >> the X dimension, it's because I'm cropping the image in the X dimension. >> I do *NOT* want to reduce the Y size correspondingly. >> >> > I just use the crop tool (Scalpel) which doesn't have these limitations, > and has an optional aspect ratio if you need a particular shape. > > Stewart > > -- > http://scruss.com/blog/ - 73 de VA3PID > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 8 14:50:15 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 10:50:15 -0400 Subject: Pan newsreader cannot be installed on Debian Sid In-Reply-To: References: <20110607220023.GR21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110608145015.GS21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 06:28:49PM -0400, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote: > Thanks Lennart ... Though the 'libgmime-2.0-2a' package from wheezy is > working out. I currently have both packages installed under Sid: > > ii libgmime-2.0-2a 2.2.25-2 > MIME library > ii libgmime-2.4-2 2.4.23-1 > MIME message parser and creator library - runtime > > I take it that they can peacefully coexist because the version is in > the package name ... clearly marking them as different packages? Yes, no problem. > Pan newsreader is now installed from Sid and seems to be running fine. > > I am bookmarking your email because learning how to make a Debian > package is definitely on my "ToLearn" list. Well you can grab the new version I put together. It is much newer and the author highly recommends upgrading, and then you won't need an old library anymore. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 8 21:44:59 2011 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 17:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: <20110606214724.GO21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110606214724.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jun 2011, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 05:28:20PM -0400, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: >> I will probably need a wireless router very shortly. >> >> Can anyone recommend a good, inexpensive model? >> >> Are there any to stay away from? > > What do you want it to do? I am moving into a new apartment and the rent includes wireless access through the landlord's system. I need something that allows me to connect to the 'net. > In my case I wanted simultanious dual band, and dd-wrt/openwrt support > and lots of ram and flash, so to me $150 was inexpensive for the DIR-825 > rev B I have. You may not need those features and hence think it is > expensive. I probably don't need that. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 8 21:49:36 2011 From: adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 17:49:36 -0400 Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110608214935.GM22558@adb.ca> Christopher Browne wrote: > Yeah, you can get routers that'll run Tomato or OpenWRT, or such, but > it seems to me that this is rather more fragile than getting "some > generic Linksys thing," running it *stock*, with a configuration that > can be described on a sheet of paper kept in a notebook, and which can > be replaced without having to think too hard about it. I'm finding > that I prefer to treat my router as an appliance that's as dumb as I > can keep it. With OpenWRT, I can rsync a copy of all the config files (basically anything that's been changed from the default root filesystem), keep them in git, diff one version from another, compare the config before and after a change, back out a change that didn't work, make a new router act exactly like the one before it, etc. When something's not working, I can ssh in and run things like tcpdump and get a good look at what's happening on the wire. Even in the olden Cisco days, you could pull the entire config as a single text file and keep a copy, use diff and other tools, etc. Modern GUI consumer-grade or enterprise-grade stuff, though, has you going through menus copying stuff down to paper, and you can't always be certain you got to every last sub-menu, nor do you want to do the full diligence everytime you've made one minor change. Stuff that doesn't let me bring real sysadmin tools to bear is what's fragile. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 8 21:58:16 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 21:58:16 +0000 Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: <20110608214935.GM22558-SACILpcuo74@public.gmane.org> References: <20110608214935.GM22558@adb.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Anthony de Boer wrote: > Christopher Browne wrote: >> Yeah, you can get routers that'll run Tomato or OpenWRT, or such, but >> it seems to me that this is rather more fragile than getting "some >> generic Linksys thing," running it *stock*, with a configuration that >> can be described on a sheet of paper kept in a notebook, and which can >> be replaced without having to think too hard about it. ?I'm finding >> that I prefer to treat my router as an appliance that's as dumb as I >> can keep it. > > With OpenWRT, I can rsync a copy of all the config files (basically > anything that's been changed from the default root filesystem), keep > them in git, diff one version from another, compare the config before > and after a change, back out a change that didn't work, make a new > router act exactly like the one before it, etc. > > When something's not working, I can ssh in and run things like > tcpdump and get a good look at what's happening on the wire. > > Even in the olden Cisco days, you could pull the entire config as a > single text file and keep a copy, use diff and other tools, etc. > > Modern GUI consumer-grade or enterprise-grade stuff, though, has you > going through menus copying stuff down to paper, and you can't always > be certain you got to every last sub-menu, nor do you want to do the > full diligence everytime you've made one minor change. > > Stuff that doesn't let me bring real sysadmin tools to bear is what's > fragile. Actually, the last couple of "cheapo devices" I have picked up *have* had a place in the menu where you can download a consolidated list of all the configuration. I should probably be drawing that out and stowing it in my "GitEverything" repo. Extra points, presumably, for scripting wget to do this automagically. The once I tried out one of the "micro firewall distributions," I was unimpressed by the number of text files I'd have to manage to get stuff working, and the distribution was sufficiently minimalist (and predated git!) such that it wasn't particularly reasonable to manage the config files in a coherent way. Of course, that was a few years ago, if it predated Git :-). -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 9 11:26:42 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:26:42 -0400 Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: References: <20110606214724.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 8 June 2011 17:44, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > ? I am moving into a new apartment and the rent includes wireless > ? access through the landlord's system. I need something that allows > ? me to connect to the 'net. If you are being provided wireless access to the Internet and want to connect to it from devices on your local *wired* LAN, then it sounds like you need a router that can work in client mode. Not all wireless routers can do this. Any of your devices with built in wireless capability can simply connect directly to your landlord's router. However, if you need them to simultaneously connect to the Internet and other devices on you local LAN, then you may need to add your own wireless router or access point in addition to the client mode router. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 9 13:16:48 2011 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 09:16:48 -0400 Subject: Consensus on using Amazon EC2 for high volume sites Message-ID: I have a client that is considering using EC2. The big draw is that they have a high season and a low season so they can configure as many servers as they want during high season and scale back later. Are there other options ? Better options ? Dave Cramer VP Software Development Visible Assets Inc. www.visibleassets.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 9 13:30:36 2011 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 09:30:36 -0400 Subject: Consensus on using Amazon EC2 for high volume sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Amazon EC2 service is probably the best for high and low seasons. But make sure you have your EC2 instances in multiple data centres. Netflix[1] and SmugMug[2] were able to survive the last outage because they had redundant systems. Also don't be like this guy[3] who put critical patients ECG machines on EC2. [1]: [2]: [3]: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Dave Cramer wrote: > I have a client that is considering using EC2. The big draw is that > they have a high season and a low season so they can configure as many > servers as they want during high season and scale back ?later. > > Are there other options ? Better options ? > > > Dave Cramer > VP Software Development > Visible Assets Inc. > www.visibleassets.com > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Myles Braithwaite http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 9 13:53:55 2011 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 09:53:55 -0400 Subject: Consensus on using Amazon EC2 for high volume sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > Also don't be like this guy[3] who put critical patients ECG machines on EC2. > > [3]: Score one for cloud stupidity. I'd like to say that I can't believe a business doing internet-based cardiac monitoring would be so careless & negligent. I wonder what their insurance package looks like. -- ? Scott Elcomb ? @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca ? Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems ? http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ ? Clerk of the Pirate Party of Canada ? http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From timhildred-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 9 13:54:15 2011 From: timhildred-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Timothy Hildred) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 23:54:15 +1000 Subject: Consensus on using Amazon EC2 for high volume sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: openshift On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > Amazon EC2 service is probably the best for high and low seasons. But > make sure you have your EC2 instances in multiple data centres. > Netflix[1] and SmugMug[2] were able to survive the last outage because > they had redundant systems. > > Also don't be like this guy[3] who put critical patients ECG machines on > EC2. > > [1]: < > http://techblog.netflix.com/2011/04/lessons-netflix-learned-from-aws-outage.html > > > [2]: < > http://don.blogs.smugmug.com/2011/04/24/how-smugmug-survived-the-amazonpocalypse/ > > > [3]: > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Dave Cramer > wrote: > > I have a client that is considering using EC2. The big draw is that > > they have a high season and a low season so they can configure as many > > servers as they want during high season and scale back later. > > > > Are there other options ? Better options ? > > > > > > Dave Cramer > > VP Software Development > > Visible Assets Inc. > > www.visibleassets.com > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > -- > Myles Braithwaite > http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 9 15:01:14 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Consensus on using Amazon EC2 for high volume sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Scott Elcomb | On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Myles Braithwaite | wrote: | > Also don't be like this guy[3] who put critical patients ECG machines on EC2. | > | > [3]: | | Score one for cloud stupidity. I'd like to say that I can't believe a | business doing internet-based cardiac monitoring would be so careless | & negligent. I wonder what their insurance package looks like. In my mind, there are so many moving parts in today's systems that it is hard to imagine them being reliable. Or even understanding all the risks. Single points of failure probably litter this guy's system. It's easy to point at the Amazon system as being one. Especially after the fact. But that might be well down on the list of risks based on probablility. Number one: last-mile internet failure. Number two: power failure. Number zero: some bug in the code. It is amazing how much health care isn't even up to "best effort" standards. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 9 15:18:57 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:18:57 +0000 Subject: Consensus on using Amazon EC2 for high volume sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:01 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Scott Elcomb > > | On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Myles Braithwaite > | wrote: > | > Also don't be like this guy[3] who put critical patients ECG machines on EC2. > | > > | > [3]: > | > | Score one for cloud stupidity. I'd like to say that I can't believe a > | business doing internet-based cardiac monitoring would be so careless > | & negligent. I wonder what their insurance package looks like. > > In my mind, there are so many moving parts in today's systems that it > is hard to imagine them being reliable. ?Or even understanding all the > risks. > > Single points of failure probably litter this guy's system. ?It's easy > to point at the Amazon system as being one. ?Especially after the > fact. ?But that might be well down on the list of risks based on > probablility. > > Number one: last-mile internet failure. > Number two: power failure. > Number zero: some bug in the code. > > It is amazing how much health care isn't even up to "best effort" > standards. The Reddit outage that was induced by AWS/EC2 problems showed off a somewhat more nuanced aspect to this, in that the Amazon folks "tried harder" than was apparent, only for the Reddit folk to discover that this made things worse. Basically, Amazon restored some filesystems to the "latest copy available", which, as it happens, was a *worse* thing than dropping the filesystems and letting Reddit do the recovery themselves. Reddit was using the Londiste replication system (developed by folks around Skype), with the expected result that if the "master" failed, they could readily pass the baton over to a replica. Unfortunately, the "master" failed in an unexpected way, namely in that it "time travelled" backwards in time to a previous version of the data. They'd have been happy enough dropping the master, and failing over to the replica, but instead, they had a generally-functioning master node that's way behind the replica. They had to stop the whole system HARD, for a while, to try to figure out what to do next, the debate surrounding whether or not to try to keep some of the "new" work done on the master. The Reddit folks were prepared for an *utter* failure of the master, but this rather odder degradation where Amazon did some "best efforts" turned out to be worse than that. The Slony team observed with interest; we could see that we'd have much the same problem if they had been using Slony rather than Londiste. Understanding failures is a tough thing, particularly if the systems make attempt to recover automatically. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 9 15:29:39 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:29:39 -0400 Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: References: <20110606214724.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110609152939.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 05:44:59PM -0400, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > I am moving into a new apartment and the rent includes wireless > access through the landlord's system. I need something that allows > me to connect to the 'net. So does that mean you need a wireless adapter to connect to an existing wifi network in the building? > >In my case I wanted simultanious dual band, and dd-wrt/openwrt support > >and lots of ram and flash, so to me $150 was inexpensive for the DIR-825 > >rev B I have. You may not need those features and hence think it is > >expensive. > > I probably don't need that. You probably don't need a router at all. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 9 16:43:04 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:43:04 -0400 Subject: Postfix refuses to stop via /etc/init.d/postfix script Message-ID: <20110609164304.GA25165@yam.witteman.ca> A few weeks ago, the /etc/init.d/postfix script stopped being able to stop postfix. There wasn't any change on my end in terms of configuration, and I can still start and stop the daemon with "postfix stop". This isn't a huge deal, except that there are issues when upgrading, which look like this: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 1 not fully installed or removed. After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Setting up postfix (2.8.3-1) ... Postfix configuration was untouched. If you need to make changes, edit /etc/postfix/main.cf (and others) as needed. To view Postfix configuration values, see postconf(1). After modifying main.cf, be sure to run '/etc/init.d/postfix reload'. Running newaliases Stopping Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfix. Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfixpostfix/postfix-script: fatal: the Postfix mail system is already running failed! invoke-rc.d: initscript postfix, action "restart" failed. dpkg: error processing postfix (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 configured to not write apport reports Errors were encountered while processing: postfix E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) I don't know shellscript as well as I might, so I am not sure what is wrong. I filed a bug with the Debian postfix package maintainers[1], which has had no response. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks. [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=627570 -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 00:19:33 2011 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 20:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: <20110609152939.GT21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110606214724.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110609152939.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Jun 2011, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 05:44:59PM -0400, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: >> I am moving into a new apartment and the rent includes wireless >> access through the landlord's system. I need something that allows >> me to connect to the 'net. > > So does that mean you need a wireless adapter to connect to an existing > wifi network in the building? Right. >>> In my case I wanted simultanious dual band, and dd-wrt/openwrt support >>> and lots of ram and flash, so to me $150 was inexpensive for the DIR-825 >>> rev B I have. You may not need those features and hence think it is >>> expensive. >> >> I probably don't need that. > > You probably don't need a router at all. So what do I need? -- Chris F.A. Johnson, Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 02:17:04 2011 From: ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Ori Idan) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 05:17:04 +0300 Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: References: <20110606214724.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110609152939.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:19 AM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jun 2011, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 05:44:59PM -0400, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: >> >>> I am moving into a new apartment and the rent includes wireless >>> access through the landlord's system. I need something that allows >>> me to connect to the 'net. >>> >> >> So does that mean you need a wireless adapter to connect to an existing >> wifi network in the building? >> > > Right. > > > In my case I wanted simultanious dual band, and dd-wrt/openwrt support >>>> and lots of ram and flash, so to me $150 was inexpensive for the DIR-825 >>>> rev B I have. You may not need those features and hence think it is >>>> expensive. >>>> >>> >>> I probably don't need that. >>> >> >> You probably don't need a router at all. >> > > So what do I need? I guess you can use a wireless NIC connected to a standard router -- Ori Idan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 02:20:46 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 22:20:46 -0400 Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: References: <20110606214724.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110609152939.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DF17F7E.7020000@utoronto.ca> On 06/09/2011 08:19 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > So what do I need? Sounds like any WiFi adapter to get onto the system will work, and a well-functioning VPN.. Seriously, if you can get on the same WiFi system that others are sharing it means: 1) preshared key - game over. Any neighbour can see your traffic. 2) Your landlord can see your traffic, which is still the case with 1). Doubly game over. At some point you have to trust your upstream provider. I leave that to my ISP, not my landlord. Landlords manage property, ISPs, packets. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 03:35:06 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 23:35:06 -0400 Subject: How to change GIMP defaults? In-Reply-To: References: <20110607234948.GB5295@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20110610033505.GA8223@waltdnes.org> On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 07:01:23AM -0400, aaron d wrote > Stewart got it. Use the right tool for the job. > > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Stewart Russell wrote: > > > I just use the crop tool (Scalpel) which doesn't have these limitations, > > and has an optional aspect ratio if you need a particular shape. Imagemagick would be more useful than the scalpel tool. Let me explain what I do, and why I can't take the "obvious" shortcuts... 1) I start by opening a raw image file in GIMP with the UFRAW plugin. As much as I'd like to, I *CANNOT* script the conversion by UFRAW to PNG. This is because each photo has a different histogram, and I have to manually tweak the F-stop correction to push the histogram over to the far right, while avoiding too much overexposed area, before importing. This is non-negotiable. 2) There are 2 reasons I crop... a) The raw file has an area of 4352x2868, but the rightmost 43 pixels are "for internal use only", and they come out black. So my first step is to cut the image down to 4309x2868. Just to add to the confusion, UFRAW "helpfully" rotates the image to match the intenal camera sensor from the EXIF data. So the image sometimes comes out 2868x4352 and I may have to crop the top or bottom, depending on how I was holding the camera. I defy anybody on this list to manually select the correct 4309x2868 area (let alone 2868x4309) on even a 1920x1080 monitor. For now, I've thrown up my hands, and... - save the 4352x2868 image to a PNG file - run the following script on it (I have separate versions for top or bottom cropping) "convert" is an Imagemagick utility. #!/bin/bash convert -depth 8 ${1} -crop 4309x2868 dummy.png mv dummy-0.png ${1} rm dummy-1.png - open the cropped image *AGAIN* in GIMP and continue. b) If I'm shooting for personal use, I'll keep the big PNG or convert to JPEG for emailing. I also belong to a camera club. They have a size limit of 1024x768 for submissions, no ifs/ands/ors/buts... that includes no 768x1024 submissions. What I usually do is bin the image by a factor of 4 down to 1077x717. I still have to do some cropping. Sometimes I manually crop the image first, and then bin down the cropped image, maybe by a factor of 2 or 3. After that, I still need to make sure it fits into 1024x768. Manual cropping is *NOT* the right tool here. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 10:15:47 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 06:15:47 -0400 Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: References: <20110606214724.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110609152939.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 9 June 2011 20:19, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > ? So what do I need? I thought I answered that a few posts back. 1. A router in client mode to connect your local wired LAN to your landlord's wireless feed. 2. A wireless access point or router connected to your local wired LAN to give your wireless devices access to the Internet. This also provides your wireless devices access to your other wired and wireless devices. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 11:24:24 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 07:24:24 -0400 Subject: How to change GIMP defaults? In-Reply-To: <20110610033505.GA8223-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110607234948.GB5295@waltdnes.org> <20110610033505.GA8223@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4DF1FEE8.8030405@gmail.com> On 11-06-09 23:35 , Walter Dnes wrote: > > Manual cropping is *NOT* the right tool here. Well, that's rather more specialized an application than you described in your question. Glad it works for you. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 14:49:56 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: References: <20110606214724.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Chris F.A. Johnson | I am moving into a new apartment and the rent includes wireless | access through the landlord's system. I need something that allows | me to connect to the 'net. How many devices (and what devices) do you want to connect to the 'net? Is it just a desktop computer or just a notebook? Connecting one device is an easier problem than connecting several. Most other people's suggestions handle multiple devices. ====================================== In the case of only one device, just get it a wireless interface. Most notebooks have that built-in. For desktops, you can easily find a PCI card on USB dongle that is a wireless interface. In the case of multiple devices, you need one wireless interface per device OR a way of sharing a single interface. ====================================== The normal way of sharing one wireless interface would be a router. But this isn't the normal off-the-shelf use of a router. Ordinary consumer wireless routers have a single internet-facing side (the WAN (Wide Area Network) port) and a set of client-facing ports (LAN (Local Area Network) ports). The wireless port is normally just one of the LAN ports. You would like the wireless port to function as thw WAN port. This may be supported by some wireless router's supplied firmware but I'm unaware of it. Surely an OpenWRT installation could be configured to do this but it sounds as if you don't yet have the knowledge to configure it. WiFi interfaces can be used in "ad hoc" mode and "infrastructure mode". You will be using infrastructure mode: your landlord's wirless interface will be the AP (access point) and your interface(s) will be STAs (Stations). Off-the-shelf wireless routers want their wireless interfaces to be APs. In theory, what you want is a Wireless Distribution System (WDS). I don't think you actuall want this because it would require changes on the part of your landlord and WDS isn't standardised (according to ) This complex article covers what you might want to do. There might be a simpler one but I've not put the time into looking: To be honest, I don't know the jargon for what you want to do, so I don't know the best way to google. Here's a dd-wrt page that is more specifically about your case: -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 15:18:22 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 11:18:22 -0400 Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: References: <20110606214724.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110609152939.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110610151822.GU21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 08:19:33PM -0400, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > Right. A wireless router is normally used to create such a network, so since that isn't what you need you probably don't need one. > So what do I need? Most likely if it is for just one machine, a PCI or PCI express or USB wireless adapter. I would guess that the network is most likely 2.4GHz 802.11g or perhaps 802.11n. Any recent laptop would have that built in of course. A desktop would not. Finding one that works with linux for sure can be a bit of a hassle. Another option (although strangely often more expensive) is an adapter that conencts to a normal network port and connects to the wireless network. Those are usually mainly used for legacy devices that can't have native wireless added. It is also possible on _some_ wireless routers to turn them into wireless bridges (which is actually what the device I mentioned above is), and use it as a way to connect multiple computers to that router (with routing mode turned off) to the wireless network. If you have multiple computers/devices to connect that don't do wireless themselves, this might be the best option. There are also devices that are only meant as bridges. One example that can do this would be http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_356&item_id=020575 D-Link DAP-1522, which can run either 2.4 or 5GHz operation and can connect 4 local devices to the wireless network. It is NOT a router at all as far as I can tell. It even has gigabit ethernet ports which is rather nice. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 16:00:47 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:00:47 -0400 Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: <20110610151822.GU21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110606214724.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110609152939.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110610151822.GU21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 10 June 2011 11:18, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > It is also possible on _some_ wireless routers to turn them into wireless > bridges (which is actually what the device I mentioned above is), and use > it as a way to connect multiple computers to that router (with routing > mode turned off) to the wireless network. ?If you have multiple > computers/devices to connect that don't do wireless themselves, this > might be the best option. Instead of bridging, I would tend towards using a router in client mode, as I and Hugh have suggested. This would use NAT/PAT masquerading and firewalling, as with any normal router, to isolate your wired devices from the rest of the world. This solves the problem for wired devices. Again, you would then place your own wireless access point on this local LAN to provide access for your wireless devices. Alternatively, you could connect all wireless devices directly to the landlord's router, but as Jamon Camisso pointed out, this exposes your wireless devices directly to the landlord and anyone else allowed to connect to the landlord's wireless interface. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 16:28:24 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:28:24 -0400 Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: References: <20110606214724.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110609152939.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110610151822.GU21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110610162824.GV21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:00:47PM -0400, Scott Allen wrote: > Instead of bridging, I would tend towards using a router in client > mode, as I and Hugh have suggested. This would use NAT/PAT > masquerading and firewalling, as with any normal router, to isolate > your wired devices from the rest of the world. This solves the problem > for wired devices. Not all routers will work as a wifi client. Many bridge mode setups can't do routing. openwrt and such of course will do whatever they want. > Again, you would then place your own wireless access point on this > local LAN to provide access for your wireless devices. Alternatively, > you could connect all wireless devices directly to the landlord's > router, but as Jamon Camisso pointed out, this exposes your wireless > devices directly to the landlord and anyone else allowed to connect to > the landlord's wireless interface. Absolutely. So ideally, locate a wifi router that can work as a wifi client and do routing and firewalling and all that, or use a seperate wifi adapter in each device and make each one do their own firewalling, or use a single wifi bridge and make every device do their own firewalling (but with better speed between local devices). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 16:34:48 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:34:48 -0400 Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: <20110610162824.GV21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110606214724.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110609152939.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110610151822.GU21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110610162824.GV21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DF247A8.9050902@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > So ideally, locate a wifi router that can work as a wifi client and do > routing and firewalling and all that The ASUS WL-330gE will do that. It can be set up in "hotspot" mode, which shares a WiFi connection among several computers. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 16:48:14 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:48:14 -0400 Subject: USB causes kernel crashes... Message-ID: <20110610164814.GA13983@amber> About a week ago, gentoo proclaimed 2.6.38-r6 "stable" for all architectures. So I went through the usual: downloaded the package, copied my old .config file and ran make .oldconfig, installed the new binary, and rebooted with the new kernel. Plugged in a USB flash drive and boom, kernel panic. Reboot, and ever after, kernel panic/crash during the boot sequence. So I went up to the "unstable" 2.6.39 kernel, compiled it, copied the .config file, etc. and rebooted. It ran fine for two days until I plugged in my Sansa Fuze music player. Boom, kernel panic. Reboot, and cannot boot into that kernel again: freeze during the boot sequence right after detecting my USB keyboard. Okay, gentoo certified 2.6.31-r1 as "stable" today. The usual, and booted into it successfully. Plugged in my two-drive external SATA drive enclosure. Once more, boom, kernel panic, and I can't boot into that kernel again: a panic/crash during the boot sequence. When I say "I can't boot into that kernel again" I mean: I can't boot from the installed image. But I ran make clean && make mrproper, built a fresh new kernel from the same source code, and installed that. No difference; still crashes or freezes on booting up. I've dropped back to 2.6.37-r4, which seems to work, and I'm not plugging in any USB devices for the moment. But what is going on here? There were reports of a race condition affecting USB flash drives when plugged in, but that was supposed to be fixed in 2.6.39-r1. And I haven't seen any discussion of the continued inability to boot up once a crash or two on USB devices has occurred. Any ideas? Suggestions? The kernel is normally rock-solid, and this is a very disquieting experience. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 18:12:04 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:12:04 -0400 Subject: USB causes kernel crashes... In-Reply-To: <4DF250D1.10107-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110610164814.GA13983@amber> <4DF250D1.10107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110610181204.GA14180@amber> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 01:13:53PM -0400, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > Any ideas? Suggestions? > > 1) There's something broken in your HW > 2) Does the same USB action cause crashes using an Ubuntu live CD? Maybe > you should reconsider your use of Gentoo. Pretty sure it's a kernel issue. It does *not* happen with 2.6.37-r4, where I can plug and unplug devices willy-nilly. Plus, there are others who report the same problem with the 2.6.38/9 kernels. No doubt it does interact with my hardware -- I don't have the problem on my other computers -- but then again, it's my hardware that I'm stuck with, and it would be good to make it work. Since it does seem to be a kernel problem, there's no reason to reconsider the use of gentoo, I shouldn't think. If some other distro has patched the kernel to avoid the problem, well, patching and compiling is what gentoo is all about. I have a shiny new Kubuntu disc around I'll try it with this afternoon, but its kernel may not be new enough to exhibit the problem. I'll post the results once I have them. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 19:25:46 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:25:46 -0400 Subject: Security for SSH Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I know SSH certificates verification is much better than password verification. However if the password is complex enough, is SSH vulnerable with password verification? -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 19:46:43 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:46:43 -0400 Subject: Security for SSH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DF274A3.9000107@rogers.com> On 11-06-10 03:25 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > I know SSH certificates verification is much better than password > verification. > > However if the password is complex enough, is SSH vulnerable with > password verification? > Until authentication is complete, there is no encryption. So you are sending the password unencrypted, and it could be sniffed. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 19:56:48 2011 From: el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:56:48 -0400 Subject: Security for SSH In-Reply-To: <4DF274A3.9000107-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DF274A3.9000107@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Stephen wrote: > On 11-06-10 03:25 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> >> I know SSH certificates verification is much better than password >> verification. >> >> However if the password is complex enough, is SSH vulnerable with password >> verification? >> > Until authentication is complete, there is no encryption. > > So you are sending the password unencrypted, and it could be sniffed. > Even keyless password exchanges are encrypted by the host ssh keys. The question is whether you are certain the other side is who it claims to be... Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 19:58:27 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:58:27 -0400 Subject: Security for SSH In-Reply-To: <4DF274A3.9000107-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DF274A3.9000107@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DF27763.6080604@utoronto.ca> On 06/10/2011 03:46 PM, Stephen wrote: > On 11-06-10 03:25 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> I know SSH certificates verification is much better than password >> verification. >> >> However if the password is complex enough, is SSH vulnerable with >> password verification? >> > Until authentication is complete, there is no encryption. > > So you are sending the password unencrypted, and it could be sniffed. SSH uses DIffie-Hellman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange for key exchange. A password is not sent unencrypted. See http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4253 for more, or try running Wireshark while connecting to a system with SSH. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 20:08:10 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:08:10 -0400 Subject: Security for SSH In-Reply-To: References: <4DF274A3.9000107@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DF279AA.5070504@utoronto.ca> On 06/10/2011 03:56 PM, Mike wrote: > Even keyless password exchanges are encrypted by the host ssh keys. > The question is whether you are certain the other side is who it > claims to be... If you do not know or trust a host that you are connecting to the first time, you will be prompted to accept the fingerprint of said host. The fingerprint can be obtained using ssh-keygen. If your host is using say: HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key Have someone run the following: ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub The result will look like this: 2048 9d:89:eb:15:ee:3a:63:dc:5a:77:34:fd:36:07:fb:7c /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub (RSA) Have that person communicate the fingerprint of that key to you using some out-of-band method. Then when you first connect to the host, you will be able to compare the fingerprints and validate the identity of the remote host before actually connecting. For example: The authenticity of host can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is 9d:89:eb:15:ee:3a:63:dc:5a:77:34:fd:36:07:fb:7c. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 20:46:41 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:46:41 -0400 Subject: Security for SSH In-Reply-To: <4DF274A3.9000107-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DF274A3.9000107@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110610204641.GW21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 03:46:43PM -0400, Stephen wrote: > On 11-06-10 03:25 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > >I know SSH certificates verification is much better than password > >verification. > > > >However if the password is complex enough, is SSH vulnerable with > >password verification? > > > Until authentication is complete, there is no encryption. > > So you are sending the password unencrypted, and it could be sniffed. You clearly have no idea how ssh works. However unless you verify the authenticity of the server when connecting (which is why the first time you connect to a new server ssh asks you to do exactly that), you may be sending the password to someone you shouldn't. But only you and the server you are talking to can see your password. So it is really a matter of "Do you trust the server you are talking to?". -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 20:56:28 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:56:28 +0000 Subject: Security for SSH In-Reply-To: <4DF274A3.9000107-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DF274A3.9000107@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Stephen wrote: > On 11-06-10 03:25 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> >> I know SSH certificates verification is much better than password >> verification. >> >> However if the password is complex enough, is SSH vulnerable with password >> verification? >> > Until authentication is complete, there is no encryption. > > So you are sending the password unencrypted, and it could be sniffed. You're partly wrong... Encryption most certainly *IS* used, throughout. (Well, unless you suppress it, which can be done by suitably dumb mucking around with configuration.) But you could be passing your password, albeit encrypted, to someone that you didn't intend to give it to. The problem isn't that it "could be sniffed" - that is more than likely not possible. Instead, you might give your password, encrypted, to someone that has the key to decrypt data to get it, and that someone mightn't be someone to whom you wanted to entrust your password. A warning is given, in such cases, with the whole "The authenticity of host xxxxxxx can't be established... Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/now)?" exchange. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 21:13:54 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:13:54 -0400 Subject: Security for SSH In-Reply-To: References: <4DF274A3.9000107@rogers.com> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for your input. :) I understand now why Certificates are sometimes used for security. On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Stephen wrote: > > On 11-06-10 03:25 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > >> > >> I know SSH certificates verification is much better than password > >> verification. > >> > >> However if the password is complex enough, is SSH vulnerable with > password > >> verification? > >> > > Until authentication is complete, there is no encryption. > > > > So you are sending the password unencrypted, and it could be sniffed. > > You're partly wrong... > > Encryption most certainly *IS* used, throughout. (Well, unless you > suppress it, which can be done by suitably dumb mucking around with > configuration.) > > But you could be passing your password, albeit encrypted, to someone > that you didn't intend to give it to. > > The problem isn't that it "could be sniffed" - that is more than > likely not possible. > > Instead, you might give your password, encrypted, to someone that has > the key to decrypt data to get it, and that someone mightn't be > someone to whom you wanted to entrust your password. > > A warning is given, in such cases, with the whole "The authenticity of > host xxxxxxx can't be established... Are you sure you want to > continue connecting (yes/now)?" exchange. > -- > When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the > question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- -- Want to send emails that can't be read by someone else -- Encrypt with my pgp key which can be found here: -- https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 10 21:59:02 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:59:02 -0400 Subject: USB causes kernel crashes... In-Reply-To: <20110610181204.GA14180@amber> References: <20110610164814.GA13983@amber> <4DF250D1.10107@gmail.com> <20110610181204.GA14180@amber> Message-ID: <20110610215902.GA14818@amber> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 02:12:04PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > Pretty sure it's a kernel issue. It does *not* happen with 2.6.37-r4, where > I can plug and unplug devices willy-nilly. Plus, there are others who report > the same problem with the 2.6.38/9 kernels. No doubt it does interact with my > hardware -- I don't have the problem on my other computers -- but then again, > it's my hardware that I'm stuck with, and it would be good to make it work. Threads from Arch, Slackware, Debian, Ububtu. It seems to be a kernel/udev problem, but nobody knows quite what or how to fix it. Count yourself lucky if it doesn't affect you. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=939433 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=940952 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=119140 http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.slackware/browse_thread/1161ce84623b4133 http://osdir.com/ml/debian-kernel/2011-04/msg00261.html http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1707388 Lots of other reports (Fedora etc.): http://lkml.org/lkml/2011/5/27/94 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1146635 http://groups.google.com/group/linux.kernel/msg/cbcc401baa71c716 http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=130662291207794&w=4 -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm looking for about > a 32" at the smallest, preferably 1080p and also built in media/web browsing > would be nice. Looking at Red Flag Deals, but if anyone has any cautions or > otherwise, glad to hear it :) > > -- > Thomas Milne > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 11 17:31:58 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:31:58 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > Anyone have some recommendations for a mid-sized HDTV? I'm looking for > about a 32" at the smallest, preferably 1080p and also built in media/web > browsing would be nice. Looking at Red Flag Deals, but if anyone has any > cautions or otherwise, glad to hear it :) > One thing that's confusing is that many TV's show a resolution of 1920 x 1080, but then are described as '720p'. What's up with that? -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 11 17:43:57 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Wireless routers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: D. Hugh Redelmeier | If you don't care about dual-band N, the TP-Link TL-WR1043ND looks good | | I saw it somewhere for $50 this week. You can find it for $60 at Sig | Electronics. Currently in stock only at Markham and Vaughan stores. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 11 20:43:34 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 16:43:34 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DF3D376.8010904@rogers.com> Thomas Milne wrote: > One thing that's confusing is that many TV's show a resolution of 1920 > x 1080, but then are described as '720p'. What's up with that? Digital sets can display a variety of resolutions, but all have a native resolution such as 720p or 1080p etc. They will convert from the non-native resolutions to native. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 11 22:27:26 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 18:27:26 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:12:22PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote > Anyone have some recommendations for a mid-sized HDTV? I'm looking > for about a 32" at the smallest, preferably 1080p and also built > in media/web browsing would be nice. Looking at Red Flag Deals, > but if anyone has any cautions or otherwise, glad to hear it :) * Get the biggest set you can afford, up to approx 50". If you get a small one, you will regret it later. * Check for *NETFLIX CANADA* compatability. * Plasma still has better picture than LCD, but the gap is narrowing * Plasma uses a bit more power than LCD, but the gap is narrowing. * Check for overscan. I don't understand what the idiots are doing. This is so 20th century. Back then, TV's used CRT (Cathode Ray Tubes) and the picture would shrink over time. An older TV would have small black borders around the edge of the picture due to shrinkage. The picture does not shrink on a flat planel TV. Overscan makes the TV almost useless as a computer display by cropping the edges, plus it crops the picture on a TV signal. * Are you situated such that you can receive free OTA (Over The Air) broadcasts? If so, make sure that the TV allows you to enter the physical channel number of TV station to add it to the list. A few older brain-dead models will only use the channels from the most recent scan. Also, beware of "clearance deals" on "HD ready" TV sets that only have old-fashioned NTSC tuners. Insist on a set with ATSC tuner. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jun 12 02:15:38 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:15:38 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20110611222726.GA10544-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:12:22PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote > > Anyone have some recommendations for a mid-sized HDTV? I'm looking > > for about a 32" at the smallest, preferably 1080p and also built > > in media/web browsing would be nice. Looking at Red Flag Deals, > > but if anyone has any cautions or otherwise, glad to hear it :) > > * Get the biggest set you can afford, up to approx 50". If you get a > small one, you will regret it later. > > * Check for *NETFLIX CANADA* compatability. > > * Plasma still has better picture than LCD, but the gap is narrowing > > * Plasma uses a bit more power than LCD, but the gap is narrowing. > > * Check for overscan. I don't understand what the idiots are doing. > This is so 20th century. Back then, TV's used CRT (Cathode Ray Tubes) > and the picture would shrink over time. An older TV would have small > black borders around the edge of the picture due to shrinkage. The > picture does not shrink on a flat planel TV. Overscan makes the TV > almost useless as a computer display by cropping the edges, plus it > crops the picture on a TV signal. > > * Are you situated such that you can receive free OTA (Over The Air) > broadcasts? If so, make sure that the TV allows you to enter the > physical channel number of TV station to add it to the list. A few > older brain-dead models will only use the channels from the most > recent scan. Also, beware of "clearance deals" on "HD ready" TV sets > that only have old-fashioned NTSC tuners. Insist on a set with ATSC > tuner. > > We ended up getting this one, not in small part because we got a pretty amazing deal: http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/LN32C450E1DXZA-features We found it at The Source, and since my wife works for Bell we got it for $365. It's not 1080p, and it's only 32", but this is a second TV, for a 'playroom' that our kids use primarily. We already have a 42" plasma in the main TV room. That is connected to a PS3 that already has Netflix :) I guess I lucked out, because it does have the ATSC tuner you mention. It will very likely never be hooked up to an antenna, as it is hooked up to the computer I just built, so with XBMC it can bring in Youtube as well as the WD media server I have. Plus my daughter can apparently use this TV with her iPod, though I haven't figured out how to do that yet. Eventually I would like to bring in CBC maybe... The only thing that pissed me off is that I will have to buy a new cable for audio. If you use an HDMI cable from a PC, you have to use a PC audio jack to plug into the TV, you cannot use the regular AV audio inputs. Other than that I'm not at all unimpressed. -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Although there is a PC audio jack on my television I am not using it, the audio is carried over the hdmi cable. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jun 12 11:12:14 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 07:12:14 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Thomas Milne wrote > The only thing that pissed me off is that I will have to buy a new cable for > audio. If you use an HDMI cable from a PC, you have to use a PC audio jack > to plug into the TV, you cannot use the regular AV audio inputs. Other than > that I'm not at all unimpressed. > -- > Thomas Milne > Before you buy the cable try plugging the tv into the computer and run #lspci and see if the hmdi hotplug pin triggers udev and an inode for the device is created. If it is, you should be able to capture and multiplex the sound back into the hdmi transport layer. VLC wil do transcoding on the fly and can sync audio, dealing with any delay. I don't have a hdmi TV so I've never tried but I have helped people reduce RF noise in their Audio systems using variations of th snippet below, depending on what sound devices show up in aplay -L. I posted this shell code bit in an earlier thread, #lspci and udevadm should provide information in aid of the device mappings which must be be done. tvtime | arecord -D hw:1,0 -r 32000 -c 2 -f S16_LE | aplay In this example tvtime is pre-configured to address /dev/video0 however the tv time signal is also sent via arecord to the soundcard with an assigned bitrate and information on the type of card used. The signal then piped through aplay and sent to the speaker output. The lack of corresponding 1 to 1 pin assignments on your Nvidea card means you have to play around a bit to find the proper device to attach to, but it shouldn't be that difficult if you play around a bit. Check your paperwork for the TV. Look for a GPL license. I think anynet runs on a GPL'd webserver. which means that some form of Linux is in there. Of course if its got optical audio out, buy the cable and use that. I think you can even buy an optical dongle for standard sound card digital output. Russell -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jun 12 11:49:40 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 07:49:40 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4DF4A7D4.1090906@rogers.com> Thomas Milne wrote: > We found it at The Source, and since my wife works for Bell we got it > for $365. > Before Christmas, I picked up a 32" Sony Bravia for about $350 at Sears. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jun 12 13:29:56 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 09:29:56 -0400 Subject: xen on Ubuntu 10.04 Message-ID: Afternoon, I have researched for a way of setting up a xen with Ubuntu as a dom0 and it seem like its not possible unless one compile it from source. Thats fine for a small test server, but I usually feel like its a bad idea to install software from source for a production system. I would rather use Centos 5 than take that route. Have any one here managed to install xen on Lucid using packaged xen alone? Compiling xen to deb packages first do count as perfect solution but anything that bypass the package management system is a big no. Any advice would be appreciated. Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jun 12 13:46:41 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 09:46:41 -0400 Subject: xen on Ubuntu 10.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DF4C341.1010404@utoronto.ca> On 6/12/2011 9:29 AM, William Muriithi wrote: > Have any one here managed to install xen on Lucid using packaged xen > alone? Compiling xen to deb packages first do count as perfect > solution but anything that bypass the package management system is a > big no. Does http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/ubuntu-xen-server not work? It is in the universe repository. Otherwise, compiling and installing with checkinstall works very well any time that I've tried it. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jun 12 15:05:10 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:05:10 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <4DF4A7D4.1090906-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <4DF4A7D4.1090906@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 7:49 AM, James Knott wrote: > Thomas Milne wrote: > >> We found it at The Source, and since my wife works for Bell we got it for >> $365. >> >> > Before Christmas, I picked up a 32" Sony Bravia for about $350 at Sears. > > > Damn. You know, I can remember the first time I saw a flat panel TV, it was at Costco about 15 years ago. It might have been maybe 40". It was _twelve thousand dollars_. -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jun 12 15:22:20 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:22:20 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <4DF4A7D4.1090906@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DF4D9AC.6010507@rogers.com> Thomas Milne wrote: > Damn. You know, I can remember the first time I saw a flat panel TV, > it was at Costco about 15 years ago. It might have been maybe 40". It > was _twelve thousand dollars_. That's why I tell people to not bother with converters. By the time you've paid for it, you've covered about 25-30% of the cost of a new HD set and with a converter you're stuck with a SD set that cannot deliver anywhere near the same picture. I bought my first HD TV, a 42" Sharp Aquos, for about $900 at Future Shop, almost 2.5 years ago. I also have a 23" 1080p LG computer monitor that's also connected to a HD cable box. BTW, I took my old analog sets to Goodwill. The guy there said they take them, but can't get rid of 'em. Fortunately, in Mississauga, the Goodwill depot is at the same location as the recycling centre. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jun 12 15:46:58 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:46:58 -0400 Subject: xen on Ubuntu 10.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DF4DF72.2060800@alteeve.com> On 06/12/2011 09:29 AM, William Muriithi wrote: > Afternoon, > > I have researched for a way of setting up a xen with Ubuntu as a dom0 > and it seem like its not possible unless one compile it from source. > Thats fine for a small test server, but I usually feel like its a bad > idea to install software from source for a production system. I would > rather use Centos 5 than take that route. > > Have any one here managed to install xen on Lucid using packaged xen > alone? Compiling xen to deb packages first do count as perfect > solution but anything that bypass the package management system is a > big no. > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > Regards, > > William I can't speak to Ubuntu, but I did experiment a lot with Xen on recent Fedoras. Xen has been under very heavy development the last year or two while they worked to get everything into the mainline kernel. That will finally be finished with the 3.0 kernel. I never could get the newer version stable (4.x), and ended up sticking with Xen on EL5 (CentOS 5.x). The 2.6.18 kernel and the Xen 3.x hypervisor/dom0 are very, very stable, if lacking some of the newer features. I don't expect it would be any different on the Debian derivative distros. -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Freenode handle: digimer Papers and Projects: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org "I feel confined, only free to expand myself within boundaries." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jun 12 16:10:57 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 12:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <4DF4D9AC.6010507-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <4DF4A7D4.1090906@rogers.com> <4DF4D9AC.6010507@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: James Knott | BTW, I took my old analog sets to Goodwill. The guy there said they take | them, but can't get rid of 'em. Fortunately, in Mississauga, the Goodwill | depot is at the same location as the recycling centre. ;-) I used FreeCycle to give two TVs away to individuals I'm not alone: Craigslist should work too. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jun 12 23:58:18 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:58:18 -0400 Subject: Is your phone rooted? Android - IPTABLES - Droid wall and why you should use it Message-ID: Hello Fellow TLUGERS, I have found a new application for my android device that I thought could benefit everyone with a rooted android device. Nowadays, there are lots of applications being made for android, and some of them are malware. The application DROIDWALL can stop those applications in its tracks before any valid info gets out. This application is simple enough, because android is Linux it has iptables. Droidwall creates firewall rules so only certain applications can send out to the internet. What this means is: You use Droidwall to say only certain apps are allowed internet, and everything else is rejected. You can also use it to log what tries access the internet so you know possible suspects. Just thought i'd share. -- -- Want to send emails that can't be read by someone else -- Encrypt with my pgp key which can be found here: -- https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event -- For more info go here: http://www.gnupg.org/ for GNU Version -- or here http://www.symantec.com/business/theme.jsp?themeid=pgp -- For business implementation. Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 03:38:28 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:38:28 -0400 Subject: Is your phone rooted? Android - IPTABLES - Droid wall and why you should use it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: haven't rooted my htc desire hd yet, plan on doing it eventually .... why does this app. need phone to be rooted? surely a app. to protect the phone should run on a unrooted phone .. maybe no one has made a app-store app. like this yet? or is it a case were phone has to be rooted for it to work period? tl On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hello Fellow TLUGERS, > > I have found a new application for my android device that I thought could > benefit everyone with a rooted android device.? Nowadays, there are lots of > applications being made for android, and some of them are malware.? The > application DROIDWALL can stop those applications in its tracks before any > valid info gets out. This application is simple enough, because android is > Linux it has iptables. Droidwall creates firewall rules so only certain > applications can send out to the internet. > > What this means is: > > You use Droidwall to say only certain apps are allowed internet, and > everything else is rejected. You can also use it to log what tries access > the internet so you know possible suspects. > > Just thought i'd share. > -- > -- Want to send emails that can't be read by someone else > -- Encrypt with my pgp key which can be found here: > -- https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event > -- For more info go here: http://www.gnupg.org/ for GNU Version > -- or here http://www.symantec.com/business/theme.jsp?themeid=pgp > -- For business implementation. > Dave Germiquet > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 03:54:40 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:54:40 -0400 Subject: Is your phone rooted? Android - IPTABLES - Droid wall and why you should use it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 11:38 PM, ted leslie wrote: > haven't rooted my htc desire hd ?yet, plan on doing it eventually .... > why does this app. need phone to be rooted? surely a app. to protect > the phone > should run on a unrooted phone .. maybe no one has made a app-store > app. like this yet? or is it a case were phone has to be rooted for it > to work period? iptables modifies kernel configuration, which is pretty "root-worthy". -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:03:43 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:03:43 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:12:22PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > Anyone have some recommendations for a mid-sized HDTV? I'm looking for about > a 32" at the smallest, preferably 1080p and also built in media/web browsing > would be nice. Looking at Red Flag Deals, but if anyone has any cautions or > otherwise, glad to hear it :) Avoid 1366x768 displays. That's just wrong. 1280x720 is OK (if such even seemed to exist anymore), but 1920x1080 really is a lot nicer. My parents bought a cheap 32" Insignia. It has a few flaws for sure. It looks good and works, but a few things I had never thought would be relevant have become rather annoying. The selection of input is done by hitting 'input' then scrolling through an onscreen menu and hitting 'enter'. This makes such a TV really annoying to use with a universal remote such as the Harmony, since you have to _look_ at the TV to know what the current input is in order to know how to get to another input. That's really stupid. It's also too many button presses. The power button remote code is unfortunately 'toggle power state'. There is no code for power on and power off. This too makes life for the harmony a pain. It is easy to get out of sync and have to step through the 'help' mode to fix the setting on one of the devices to get things back in sync. This too would have been trivial to implement. It has no clue that certain resolutions should have certain aspect ratios unfortunately. So you have to always manually switch between wide and normal depending on HD versus SD contents. What a pain. Why can't it be as smart as mythtv and go '720 or 640 x 480 means normal by default, and 1920x1080 and 1280x720 means wide by default'. How hard would that have been to implement? It does have a lovely display, looks good, is 1920x1080, but man the UI design and behaviour is awful. Compared to their old Sony CRT that this replaced, I can almost see why Sonys cost more now. Apparently they actually think when designing things. This just can't be right. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:06:01 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:06:01 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20110611222726.GA10544-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20110613150601.GY21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 06:27:26PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:12:22PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote > > Anyone have some recommendations for a mid-sized HDTV? I'm looking > > for about a 32" at the smallest, preferably 1080p and also built > > in media/web browsing would be nice. Looking at Red Flag Deals, > > but if anyone has any cautions or otherwise, glad to hear it :) > > * Get the biggest set you can afford, up to approx 50". If you get a > small one, you will regret it later. > > * Check for *NETFLIX CANADA* compatability. > > * Plasma still has better picture than LCD, but the gap is narrowing I think plasma looks rather bad actually. > * Plasma uses a bit more power than LCD, but the gap is narrowing. That and plasma still has the potential burn in issue. Plasma is NEVER going on my list of TVs to buy. > * Check for overscan. I don't understand what the idiots are doing. > This is so 20th century. Back then, TV's used CRT (Cathode Ray Tubes) > and the picture would shrink over time. An older TV would have small > black borders around the edge of the picture due to shrinkage. The > picture does not shrink on a flat planel TV. Overscan makes the TV > almost useless as a computer display by cropping the edges, plus it > crops the picture on a TV signal. > > * Are you situated such that you can receive free OTA (Over The Air) > broadcasts? If so, make sure that the TV allows you to enter the > physical channel number of TV station to add it to the list. A few > older brain-dead models will only use the channels from the most > recent scan. Also, beware of "clearance deals" on "HD ready" TV sets > that only have old-fashioned NTSC tuners. Insist on a set with ATSC > tuner. Both good ideas that I didn't imagine were still an issue. Some companies. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:07:48 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:07:48 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20110613150748.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:15:38PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > We ended up getting this one, not in small part because we got a pretty > amazing deal: > > http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/LN32C450E1DXZA-features > > We found it at The Source, and since my wife works for Bell we got it for > $365. > > It's not 1080p, and it's only 32", but this is a second TV, for a 'playroom' > that our kids use primarily. We already have a 42" plasma in the main TV > room. That is connected to a PS3 that already has Netflix :) It's the worst possible kind of HDTV you can get. It's the @#$@#$#@$ 768 resolution shit. Until people stop buying this crap they will keep making it. > I guess I lucked out, because it does have the ATSC tuner you mention. It > will very likely never be hooked up to an antenna, as it is hooked up to the > computer I just built, so with XBMC it can bring in Youtube as well as the > WD media server I have. Plus my daughter can apparently use this TV with her > iPod, though I haven't figured out how to do that yet. Eventually I would > like to bring in CBC maybe... > > The only thing that pissed me off is that I will have to buy a new cable for > audio. If you use an HDMI cable from a PC, you have to use a PC audio jack > to plug into the TV, you cannot use the regular AV audio inputs. Other than > that I'm not at all unimpressed. You can get a real 1080p display for that kind of money. I would NOT call that an amazing deal. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:23:31 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:23:31 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20110613150748.GZ21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <20110613150748.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:15:38PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > We ended up getting this one, not in small part because we got a pretty > > amazing deal: > > > > http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/LN32C450E1DXZA-features > > > > We found it at The Source, and since my wife works for Bell we got it for > > $365. > > > > It's not 1080p, and it's only 32", but this is a second TV, for a > 'playroom' > > that our kids use primarily. We already have a 42" plasma in the main TV > > room. That is connected to a PS3 that already has Netflix :) > > It's the worst possible kind of HDTV you can get. It's the @#$@#$#@$ > 768 resolution shit. Until people stop buying this crap they will keep > making it. > > > I guess I lucked out, because it does have the ATSC tuner you mention. It > > will very likely never be hooked up to an antenna, as it is hooked up to > the > > computer I just built, so with XBMC it can bring in Youtube as well as > the > > WD media server I have. Plus my daughter can apparently use this TV with > her > > iPod, though I haven't figured out how to do that yet. Eventually I would > > like to bring in CBC maybe... > > > > The only thing that pissed me off is that I will have to buy a new cable > for > > audio. If you use an HDMI cable from a PC, you have to use a PC audio > jack > > to plug into the TV, you cannot use the regular AV audio inputs. Other > than > > that I'm not at all unimpressed. > > You can get a real 1080p display for that kind of money. > > I would NOT call that an amazing deal. > > I don't know, I looked on Red Flag Deals, Canada Computers, went to manufacturers website, and I found only one TV that was under $500 and had 1080p resolution. There were definitely none for under $400, unless I went for a brand like the one you described above. I read many of the reviews for the obscurely branded TV's and found a lot of extreme disappointment. Admittedly we did rush a bit due to certain circumstances, but I find it hard to believe we got hosed on this one. -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:25:28 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:25:28 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20110613150601.GY21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <20110613150601.GY21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 06:27:26PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:12:22PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote > > > Anyone have some recommendations for a mid-sized HDTV? I'm looking > > > for about a 32" at the smallest, preferably 1080p and also built > > > in media/web browsing would be nice. Looking at Red Flag Deals, > > > but if anyone has any cautions or otherwise, glad to hear it :) > > > > * Get the biggest set you can afford, up to approx 50". If you get a > > small one, you will regret it later. > > > > * Check for *NETFLIX CANADA* compatability. > > > > * Plasma still has better picture than LCD, but the gap is narrowing > > I think plasma looks rather bad actually. > > > * Plasma uses a bit more power than LCD, but the gap is narrowing. > > That and plasma still has the potential burn in issue. Plasma is NEVER > going on my list of TVs to buy. > > That is definitely true. I can definitely see the difference between my plasma TV and others who have LCD. Mine is noticeably less sharp. > > * Check for overscan. I don't understand what the idiots are doing. > > This is so 20th century. Back then, TV's used CRT (Cathode Ray Tubes) > > and the picture would shrink over time. An older TV would have small > > black borders around the edge of the picture due to shrinkage. The > > picture does not shrink on a flat planel TV. Overscan makes the TV > > almost useless as a computer display by cropping the edges, plus it > > crops the picture on a TV signal. > > > > * Are you situated such that you can receive free OTA (Over The Air) > > broadcasts? If so, make sure that the TV allows you to enter the > > physical channel number of TV station to add it to the list. A few > > older brain-dead models will only use the channels from the most > > recent scan. Also, beware of "clearance deals" on "HD ready" TV sets > > that only have old-fashioned NTSC tuners. Insist on a set with ATSC > > tuner. > > Both good ideas that I didn't imagine were still an issue. > Some companies. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:27:41 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:27:41 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20110613150343.GX21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DF62C6D.8070004@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Avoid 1366x768 displays. That's just wrong. 1280x720 is OK (if such > even seemed to exist anymore), but 1920x1080 really is a lot nicer. > > My 32" Sony Bravia is one of those 1366 x 768 models. It looks fine. I've often wondered if the 720 line sets use the entire display or just mask off 1280 x 720. My Sony set has a "Display Area" setting, which I can use to set the display to 3 modes, "+1", "Normal" and "-1". +1 displays in the original size, Normal is recommended size and -1 overscans. I wonder it there's a test available somewhere that can show what's happening. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:28:27 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:28:27 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20110613150343.GX21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:12:22PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > Anyone have some recommendations for a mid-sized HDTV? I'm looking for > about > > a 32" at the smallest, preferably 1080p and also built in media/web > browsing > > would be nice. Looking at Red Flag Deals, but if anyone has any cautions > or > > otherwise, glad to hear it :) > > Avoid 1366x768 displays. That's just wrong. 1280x720 is OK (if such > even seemed to exist anymore), but 1920x1080 really is a lot nicer. > I haven't noticed any problems so far with the resolution. Videos all play at the correct aspect, and the computer desktop displays perfectly, without stretching or distortion. I was wondering about the discrepancy, though. It does seem to be arbitrary the way companies play with these standards. > > My parents bought a cheap 32" Insignia. It has a few flaws for sure. > It looks good and works, but a few things I had never thought would be > relevant have become rather annoying. > > The selection of input is done by hitting 'input' then scrolling through > an onscreen menu and hitting 'enter'. This makes such a TV really > annoying to use with a universal remote such as the Harmony, since you > have to _look_ at the TV to know what the current input is in order to > know how to get to another input. That's really stupid. It's also too > many button presses. > > The power button remote code is unfortunately 'toggle power state'. > There is no code for power on and power off. This too makes life for the > harmony a pain. It is easy to get out of sync and have to step through > the 'help' mode to fix the setting on one of the devices to get things > back in sync. This too would have been trivial to implement. > > It has no clue that certain resolutions should have certain aspect > ratios unfortunately. So you have to always manually switch between > wide and normal depending on HD versus SD contents. What a pain. > Why can't it be as smart as mythtv and go '720 or 640 x 480 means normal > by default, and 1920x1080 and 1280x720 means wide by default'. How hard > would that have been to implement? > > It does have a lovely display, looks good, is 1920x1080, but man the UI > design and behaviour is awful. > > Compared to their old Sony CRT that this replaced, I can almost see > why Sonys cost more now. Apparently they actually think when designing > things. This just can't be right. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:29:16 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:29:16 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20110613150748.GZ21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <20110613150748.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DF62CCC.1060606@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > You can get a real 1080p display for that kind of money. > Many channels are 720p, so no matter what set you get, conversion will be required for some sources. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:30:08 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:30:08 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: I've got a Samsung 1080i tv, that i bought 3 years ago with 1366x768. It's a plasma. I find it working pretty good and works great. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Thomas Milne wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Lennart Sorensen < > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:12:22PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: >> > Anyone have some recommendations for a mid-sized HDTV? I'm looking for >> about >> > a 32" at the smallest, preferably 1080p and also built in media/web >> browsing >> > would be nice. Looking at Red Flag Deals, but if anyone has any cautions >> or >> > otherwise, glad to hear it :) >> >> Avoid 1366x768 displays. That's just wrong. 1280x720 is OK (if such >> even seemed to exist anymore), but 1920x1080 really is a lot nicer. >> > > I haven't noticed any problems so far with the resolution. Videos all play > at the correct aspect, and the computer desktop displays perfectly, without > stretching or distortion. I was wondering about the discrepancy, though. It > does seem to be arbitrary the way companies play with these standards. > > >> >> My parents bought a cheap 32" Insignia. It has a few flaws for sure. >> It looks good and works, but a few things I had never thought would be >> relevant have become rather annoying. >> >> The selection of input is done by hitting 'input' then scrolling through >> an onscreen menu and hitting 'enter'. This makes such a TV really >> annoying to use with a universal remote such as the Harmony, since you >> have to _look_ at the TV to know what the current input is in order to >> know how to get to another input. That's really stupid. It's also too >> many button presses. >> >> The power button remote code is unfortunately 'toggle power state'. >> There is no code for power on and power off. This too makes life for the >> harmony a pain. It is easy to get out of sync and have to step through >> the 'help' mode to fix the setting on one of the devices to get things >> back in sync. This too would have been trivial to implement. >> >> It has no clue that certain resolutions should have certain aspect >> ratios unfortunately. So you have to always manually switch between >> wide and normal depending on HD versus SD contents. What a pain. >> Why can't it be as smart as mythtv and go '720 or 640 x 480 means normal >> by default, and 1920x1080 and 1280x720 means wide by default'. How hard >> would that have been to implement? >> >> It does have a lovely display, looks good, is 1920x1080, but man the UI >> design and behaviour is awful. >> >> Compared to their old Sony CRT that this replaced, I can almost see >> why Sonys cost more now. Apparently they actually think when designing >> things. This just can't be right. >> >> -- >> Len Sorensen >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > Thomas Milne > > -- -- Want to send emails that can't be read by someone else -- Encrypt with my pgp key which can be found here: -- https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event -- For more info go here: http://www.gnupg.org/ for GNU Version -- or here http://www.symantec.com/business/theme.jsp?themeid=pgp -- For business implementation. Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:32:37 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:32:37 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <4DF62CCC.1060606-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <20110613150748.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DF62CCC.1060606@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:29 AM, James Knott wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> You can get a real 1080p display for that kind of money. >> >> > > Many channels are 720p, so no matter what set you get, conversion will be > required for some sources. > > > Well, that was the other consideration. I do eventually want a big 1080 display for our main room, but for the time being, very little of what we watch or play is 1080p. Most PS games are 720p, and the movies that I watch are the same. I don't buy or rent a lot of BluRay movies because they are just too expensive. -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:34:04 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:34:04 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: That's probably the same TV my wife bought for me when I turned 40. Compared to what we had before, yeah, it's pretty good. :) On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > I've got a Samsung 1080i tv, that i bought 3 years ago with 1366x768. It's > a plasma. I find it working pretty good and works great. > > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Thomas Milne < > thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Lennart Sorensen < >> lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:12:22PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: >>> > Anyone have some recommendations for a mid-sized HDTV? I'm looking for >>> about >>> > a 32" at the smallest, preferably 1080p and also built in media/web >>> browsing >>> > would be nice. Looking at Red Flag Deals, but if anyone has any >>> cautions or >>> > otherwise, glad to hear it :) >>> >>> Avoid 1366x768 displays. That's just wrong. 1280x720 is OK (if such >>> even seemed to exist anymore), but 1920x1080 really is a lot nicer. >>> >> >> I haven't noticed any problems so far with the resolution. Videos all play >> at the correct aspect, and the computer desktop displays perfectly, without >> stretching or distortion. I was wondering about the discrepancy, though. It >> does seem to be arbitrary the way companies play with these standards. >> >> >>> >>> My parents bought a cheap 32" Insignia. It has a few flaws for sure. >>> It looks good and works, but a few things I had never thought would be >>> relevant have become rather annoying. >>> >>> The selection of input is done by hitting 'input' then scrolling through >>> an onscreen menu and hitting 'enter'. This makes such a TV really >>> annoying to use with a universal remote such as the Harmony, since you >>> have to _look_ at the TV to know what the current input is in order to >>> know how to get to another input. That's really stupid. It's also too >>> many button presses. >>> >>> The power button remote code is unfortunately 'toggle power state'. >>> There is no code for power on and power off. This too makes life for the >>> harmony a pain. It is easy to get out of sync and have to step through >>> the 'help' mode to fix the setting on one of the devices to get things >>> back in sync. This too would have been trivial to implement. >>> >>> It has no clue that certain resolutions should have certain aspect >>> ratios unfortunately. So you have to always manually switch between >>> wide and normal depending on HD versus SD contents. What a pain. >>> Why can't it be as smart as mythtv and go '720 or 640 x 480 means normal >>> by default, and 1920x1080 and 1280x720 means wide by default'. How hard >>> would that have been to implement? >>> >>> It does have a lovely display, looks good, is 1920x1080, but man the UI >>> design and behaviour is awful. >>> >>> Compared to their old Sony CRT that this replaced, I can almost see >>> why Sonys cost more now. Apparently they actually think when designing >>> things. This just can't be right. >>> >>> -- >>> Len Sorensen >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Thomas Milne >> >> > > > -- > > -- Want to send emails that can't be read by someone else > -- Encrypt with my pgp key which can be found here: > -- https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event > -- For more info go here: http://www.gnupg.org/ for GNU Version > -- or here http://www.symantec.com/business/theme.jsp?themeid=pgp > -- For business implementation. > Dave Germiquet > > -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:33:48 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:33:48 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: However, for all you guys getting a new plasma, Lennart's right they do get burn in if you have the options set to the extreme. So if your playing games or watching something with a static image (like a logo at the bottom) it'll burn in if your using it at High contrast. First thing you do when you buy the tv, lower the contrast to around 60, raise the brightness :) You can always change the contrast higher for movies and other tv shows that don't have static images. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > I've got a Samsung 1080i tv, that i bought 3 years ago with 1366x768. It's > a plasma. I find it working pretty good and works great. > > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Thomas Milne < > thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Lennart Sorensen < >> lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:12:22PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: >>> > Anyone have some recommendations for a mid-sized HDTV? I'm looking for >>> about >>> > a 32" at the smallest, preferably 1080p and also built in media/web >>> browsing >>> > would be nice. Looking at Red Flag Deals, but if anyone has any >>> cautions or >>> > otherwise, glad to hear it :) >>> >>> Avoid 1366x768 displays. That's just wrong. 1280x720 is OK (if such >>> even seemed to exist anymore), but 1920x1080 really is a lot nicer. >>> >> >> I haven't noticed any problems so far with the resolution. Videos all play >> at the correct aspect, and the computer desktop displays perfectly, without >> stretching or distortion. I was wondering about the discrepancy, though. It >> does seem to be arbitrary the way companies play with these standards. >> >> >>> >>> My parents bought a cheap 32" Insignia. It has a few flaws for sure. >>> It looks good and works, but a few things I had never thought would be >>> relevant have become rather annoying. >>> >>> The selection of input is done by hitting 'input' then scrolling through >>> an onscreen menu and hitting 'enter'. This makes such a TV really >>> annoying to use with a universal remote such as the Harmony, since you >>> have to _look_ at the TV to know what the current input is in order to >>> know how to get to another input. That's really stupid. It's also too >>> many button presses. >>> >>> The power button remote code is unfortunately 'toggle power state'. >>> There is no code for power on and power off. This too makes life for the >>> harmony a pain. It is easy to get out of sync and have to step through >>> the 'help' mode to fix the setting on one of the devices to get things >>> back in sync. This too would have been trivial to implement. >>> >>> It has no clue that certain resolutions should have certain aspect >>> ratios unfortunately. So you have to always manually switch between >>> wide and normal depending on HD versus SD contents. What a pain. >>> Why can't it be as smart as mythtv and go '720 or 640 x 480 means normal >>> by default, and 1920x1080 and 1280x720 means wide by default'. How hard >>> would that have been to implement? >>> >>> It does have a lovely display, looks good, is 1920x1080, but man the UI >>> design and behaviour is awful. >>> >>> Compared to their old Sony CRT that this replaced, I can almost see >>> why Sonys cost more now. Apparently they actually think when designing >>> things. This just can't be right. >>> >>> -- >>> Len Sorensen >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Thomas Milne >> >> > > > -- > > -- Want to send emails that can't be read by someone else > -- Encrypt with my pgp key which can be found here: > -- https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event > -- For more info go here: http://www.gnupg.org/ for GNU Version > -- or here http://www.symantec.com/business/theme.jsp?themeid=pgp > -- For business implementation. > Dave Germiquet > > -- -- Want to send emails that can't be read by someone else -- Encrypt with my pgp key which can be found here: -- https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event -- For more info go here: http://www.gnupg.org/ for GNU Version -- or here http://www.symantec.com/business/theme.jsp?themeid=pgp -- For business implementation. Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:36:13 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:36:13 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <4DF62CCC.1060606-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <20110613150748.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DF62CCC.1060606@rogers.com> Message-ID: rogers is all 1080i, and a few people i know with bell say its mostly if not all 720p. so really depends on your provider. Bluray is 1080p. best set to buy is a 1080p set, and given price, no other choice really makes any sense. tl On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:29 AM, James Knott wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >> You can get a real 1080p display for that kind of money. >> > > Many channels are 720p, so no matter what set you get, conversion will be > required for some sources. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:39:13 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:39:13 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20110613150343.GX21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 13 June 2011 11:03, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > The selection of input is done by hitting 'input' then scrolling through > an onscreen menu and hitting 'enter'. ?This makes such a TV really > annoying to use with a universal remote such as the Harmony, since you > have to _look_ at the TV to know what the current input is in order to > know how to get to another input. I believe Harmony remotes have a standard setup option to handle this type of input selection. They will also keep track of the current input to aid with this. Of course, you may have synchronisation issues if you use any other remote to switch inputs. Also, even though this is the only method for changing inputs from the supplied remote, many TVs also have additional discrete remote codes to directly switch to a given input. Harmony remotes usually include these in their database if they're available. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:40:54 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 08:40:54 -0700 Subject: OTA HD [ was: [OT] HDTV recommendations? ] Message-ID: Along this vein, Does anyone know of good Linux+Myth friendly tuner cards that support OTA (over-the-air) digital TV? Extra points to USB-based tuners that do both analog/digital.... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:49:01 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:49:01 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <20110613150748.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DF62CCC.1060606@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 13 June 2011 11:36, ted leslie wrote: > rogers is all 1080i, and a few people i know with bell say its mostly > if not all 720p. Not true. Rogers passes through the same resolution that the broadcaster uses, although they sometimes recompress the signal to reduce bandwidth. You can, if you wish set the Rogers set top box or PVR to scale everything locally to a fixed output format. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:50:09 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:50:09 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <20110613150601.GY21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110613155009.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:25:28AM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > That is definitely true. I can definitely see the difference between my > plasma TV and others who have LCD. Mine is noticeably less sharp. They do look different. I happen to much prefer the way LCDs look. I find plasma blurs things too much. Some people prefer that look. -- len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:54:28 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 08:54:28 -0700 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20110613155009.GA21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <20110613150601.GY21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110613155009.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: My issue with plasma has been that they're supposedly prone to burn-in (though can be cleaned) if you leave a given image on too long. For power, I've heard it depends on viewing. Overall higher, but an LCD is supposed to use more power on darker images (space movies anyone) because it's actually having to block the backlight. I'm skipping the LED backlight and holding out for OLED TV's. It's finally gaining momentum in mobile devices etc so hopefully will scale up over the next few years... On 2011-06-13 8:50 AM, "Lennart Sorensen" wrote: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:25:28AM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: >> That is definitely true. I can definitely see the difference between my >> plasma TV and others who have LCD. Mine is noticeably less sharp. > > They do look different. I happen to much prefer the way LCDs look. > I find plasma blurs things too much. Some people prefer that look. > > -- > len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 15:59:35 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:59:35 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <20110613150748.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110613155935.GB21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:23:31AM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > I don't know, I looked on Red Flag Deals, Canada Computers, went to > manufacturers website, and I found only one TV that was under $500 and had > 1080p resolution. There were definitely none for under $400, unless I went > for a brand like the one you described above. I read many of the reviews for > the obscurely branded TV's and found a lot of extreme disappointment. > > Admittedly we did rush a bit due to certain circumstances, but I find it > hard to believe we got hosed on this one. I would take a no name brand with 1080p over a name brand 768p any day. There are some things too horrible to put up with no matter who made it. Had it been a true 720p then I would have to think about it and the name brand might win. Scaling 1080p and 720p to 768p is an awful thing to do. It just works out badly. 720 scales to 1080 by a 3:2 factor. Nice and simple. Same in the reverse. 720 to 768 is a 15:16 pixel ratio. That's not nice at all. 1080 to 768 is a 45:32 pixel ratio. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 16:00:58 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:00:58 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <20110613150601.GY21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110613155009.GA21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110613160058.GC21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:54:28AM -0700, Tyler Aviss wrote: > My issue with plasma has been that they're supposedly prone to burn-in > (though can be cleaned) if you leave a given image on too long. > > For power, I've heard it depends on viewing. Overall higher, but an LCD is > supposed to use more power on darker images (space movies anyone) because > it's actually having to block the backlight. > > I'm skipping the LED backlight and holding out for OLED TV's. It's finally > gaining momentum in mobile devices etc so hopefully will scale up over the > next few years... They are certainly nice. No backlight, true blacks, low power use, what's not to like? Oh right they are tiny and expensive at the moment. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 16:01:45 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:01:45 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <4DF62CCC.1060606-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <20110613150748.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DF62CCC.1060606@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110613160145.GD21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:29:16AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >You can get a real 1080p display for that kind of money. > > Many channels are 720p, so no matter what set you get, conversion > will be required for some sources. a 2:3 conversion is a lot nicer and simpler to do right than a 45:32 conversion and 15:16 conversion. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 16:03:24 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:03:24 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <20110613150748.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DF62CCC.1060606@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110613160324.GE21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:32:37AM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > Well, that was the other consideration. I do eventually want a big 1080 > display for our main room, but for the time being, very little of what we > watch or play is 1080p. Most PS games are 720p, and the movies that I watch > are the same. I don't buy or rent a lot of BluRay movies because they are > just too expensive. Lots of things are 720. A 720 display is just fine. A 768 display isn't a 720. Now if they gave you the option to use only 15/16's of the display and make it a true 1280x720 it would suddenly be much nicer, but of course they don't do that. You might discover how much better the picture suddenly looked. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 16:04:28 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:04:28 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <20110613150748.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DF62CCC.1060606@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110613160428.GF21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:36:13AM -0400, ted leslie wrote: > rogers is all 1080i, and a few people i know with bell say its mostly > if not all 720p. No rogers has lots of channels that are 720. Just make sure you configure the cable box for passthrough, not fixed size. > so really depends on your provider. > Bluray is 1080p. > best set to buy is a 1080p set, and given price, no other choice > really makes any sense. Exactly. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 16:06:40 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:06:40 -0400 Subject: OTA HD [ was: [OT] HDTV recommendations? ] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110613160640.GA13637@waltdnes.org> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:40:54AM -0700, Tyler Aviss wrote > Extra points to USB-based tuners that do both analog/digital.... Are you planning to record analogue channels off of cable? For OTA. analogue (NTSC) tuners will be useless in 80 days from today. See... http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/INFO_SHT/bdt14.htm > By August 31, 2011, Canadian local television stations in certain > areas will stop broadcasting in analog and will start broadcasting > in digital. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 16:07:29 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:07:29 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110613160729.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:39:13AM -0400, Scott Allen wrote: > I believe Harmony remotes have a standard setup option to handle this > type of input selection. They will also keep track of the current > input to aid with this. Of course, you may have synchronisation issues > if you use any other remote to switch inputs. Yeah or if you accidentally block the signal to the device when using the harmony. The harmony does the best it can but why the designers couldn't have used a few more IR codes to do a sane job is crazy. > Also, even though this is the only method for changing inputs from the > supplied remote, many TVs also have additional discrete remote codes > to directly switch to a given input. Harmony remotes usually include > these in their database if they're available. Well this one sure didn't. I checked. I managed to change the code on the harmony for the cable box where it defaulted to the toggle method (since the native remote does) even though it knows the codes for on and off. To me that is a huge flaw in the current harmony setup software. It should ALWAYS choose the on and off codes whenever they exist for a device. They are always a better choice. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 16:12:04 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:12:04 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <4DF62C6D.8070004-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DF62C6D.8070004@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110613161204.GH21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:27:41AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > My 32" Sony Bravia is one of those 1366 x 768 models. It looks > fine. I've often wondered if the 720 line sets use the entire > display or just mask off 1280 x 720. My Sony set has a "Display > Area" setting, which I can use to set the display to 3 modes, "+1", > "Normal" and "-1". +1 displays in the original size, Normal is > recommended size and -1 overscans. A big part of the problem is that the scaling is hard to do right for that ratio. There is less than a handful of brands that do scaling well it seems. Sony is one. LG is another. Sounds like the Sony actually lets you use only the proper 1280x720 then on the '+1' setting, while scaling on the normal setting. The overscan setting makes no sense. > I wonder it there's a test available somewhere that can show what's > happening. If you use a computer to output a signal you can almost certainly see what it does to small text and such. Of course many 768 displays will let a computer run at the native resolution, so they look fine. If you forced the output to 720p on the other hand you would almost certainly notice the difference. I have always suspected these cheap 768 displays are only 768 because they are using cheap computer display components which happen to be 768 vertical and they figure 'bigger number is better so customers will think this is a better display'. Too bad they are wrong. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 16:18:17 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:18:17 -0400 Subject: OTA HD [ was: [OT] HDTV recommendations? ] In-Reply-To: <20110613160640.GA13637-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110613160640.GA13637@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: Ok. Can someone tell me, do Analog AIr Waves really fill up the spectrum? And if it does, what other plans are for them? Like why are we clearing them up? Is there something else that needs them. I kinda like Analog OTA. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:40:54AM -0700, Tyler Aviss wrote > > > Extra points to USB-based tuners that do both analog/digital.... > > Are you planning to record analogue channels off of cable? For OTA. > analogue (NTSC) tuners will be useless in 80 days from today. See... > http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/INFO_SHT/bdt14.htm > > > By August 31, 2011, Canadian local television stations in certain > > areas will stop broadcasting in analog and will start broadcasting > > in digital. > > -- > Walter Dnes > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- -- Want to send emails that can't be read by someone else -- Encrypt with my pgp key which can be found here: -- https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event -- For more info go here: http://www.gnupg.org/ for GNU Version -- or here http://www.symantec.com/business/theme.jsp?themeid=pgp -- For business implementation. Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 16:21:26 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:21:26 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110613162126.GI21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:30:08AM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: > I've got a Samsung 1080i tv, that i bought 3 years ago with 1366x768. It's a > plasma. I find it working pretty good and works great. Sure it works, but how would you know what it could have looked like if it was 1280x720? On the other hand for many years plasmas were always stretching. It was actually common for many to be 1024x768 on '720p' models or 1024x1024 on '1080p' models. Since they blur the pixels a lot anyhow, people usually didn't notice. Only very large (42"+) plasmas would ever have been true pixel for pixel HD and usually only 50"+. Even 1280x1080 has been used on some plasma screens, although fortunately the larger ones these days are almost always 1920x1080 natively. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 16:24:07 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:24:07 -0400 Subject: OTA HD [ was: [OT] HDTV recommendations? ] In-Reply-To: References: <20110613160640.GA13637@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20110613162407.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:18:17PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Can someone tell me, do Analog AIr Waves really fill up the spectrum? And if > it does, what other plans are for them? > > Like why are we clearing them up? Is there something else that needs them. > > I kinda like Analog OTA. Well we are replacing them with Digital OTA in most cases. TV signals happen to be in a band that is excellent for long distance coverage. Makes sense for TV signals really. Of course some people think we should have mobile internet services in those bands instead or at least in addition to TV. Digital OTA takes less bandwidth for much more picture than analog could ever do, so overall it is a nice change, but it does obsolete a ton of existing equipment. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 16:28:11 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:28:11 -0400 Subject: OTA HD [ was: [OT] HDTV recommendations? ] In-Reply-To: <20110613162407.GJ21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110613160640.GA13637@waltdnes.org> <20110613162407.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Hmm, The issue I have with it, is that Digital is either good on, or it goes in or out, or not in at all. At least with Analog OTA you could watch still with a somewhat static picture if you didn't have fully good coverage. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:18:17PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > Can someone tell me, do Analog AIr Waves really fill up the spectrum? And > if > > it does, what other plans are for them? > > > > Like why are we clearing them up? Is there something else that needs > them. > > > > I kinda like Analog OTA. > > Well we are replacing them with Digital OTA in most cases. > > TV signals happen to be in a band that is excellent for long distance > coverage. Makes sense for TV signals really. Of course some people > think we should have mobile internet services in those bands instead or > at least in addition to TV. > > Digital OTA takes less bandwidth for much more picture than analog could > ever do, so overall it is a nice change, but it does obsolete a ton of > existing equipment. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- -- Want to send emails that can't be read by someone else -- Encrypt with my pgp key which can be found here: -- https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event -- For more info go here: http://www.gnupg.org/ for GNU Version -- or here http://www.symantec.com/business/theme.jsp?themeid=pgp -- For business implementation. Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 16:34:23 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:34:23 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <20110613150748.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DF62CCC.1060606@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DF63C0F.1010408@rogers.com> ted leslie wrote: > rogers is all 1080i, and a few people i know with bell say its mostly > if not all 720p. > There are (or were) several 720p channels on Rogers. I currently have my cable boxes set to convert everything to 1080i, but IIRC, some channels, such as Equator and Oasis, along with WKBW(?) were 720p. Of course, with normal viewing distances, it's harder to see 1080 lines on smaller sets. Computer monitors are the exception to this, as you normally sit quite close to them and resolution is more important. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 16:40:59 2011 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:40:59 -0400 Subject: OTA HD [ was: [OT] HDTV recommendations? ] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DF63D9B.4050709@ss.org> On 06/13/2011 11:40 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Along this vein, > > > Does anyone know of good Linux+Myth friendly tuner cards that support > OTA (over-the-air) digital TV? > > Extra points to USB-based tuners that do both analog/digital.... > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists To the point of this topic, A friend of mine has been using this USB turner with his ubuntu laptop and desktop. Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-950Q TV Tuner Stick http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116034 I can't speak for a quality but it's worked light duty he puts on it. Just trying to get the ball rolling on actual hardware discussion. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 17:00:52 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:00:52 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20110613160729.GG21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110613160729.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 13 June 2011 12:07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >?The harmony does the best it can but why the designers > couldn't have used a few more IR codes to do a sane job is crazy. Discrete input select codes would generally only benefit activity based remotes that can handle multiple devices and configurations (such as a Harmony). The designers only needed to meet the requirements of the remote that was going to be used to control the TV. If they needed to include an individual code for selecting each input, then that would mean they intended to have buttons on the remote to match. My TV has 9 possible input sources. That would mean that its remote would need 9 keys for input selection. Are you going to allow the user to somehow label these keys to make it easy to know what attached device you're selecting? Are you going to backlight these labels to make selection easy in the dark? While we're at it, why not add individual keys for each aspect ratio, picture mode, audio mode, etc. That would be an awfully big confusing remote. The "sane" way to select from more than two or three inputs is to use an on screen menu. This is easy to see and operate, allows for custom labeling, and also allows for removing unused inputs from the menu. On the remote, you only need one "input select" key in addition to the standard direction arrows and "select/enter" key. Granted, adding individual codes for input select and other multiple choice functions is probably easy to do and nice to have for third party remotes, but you can't call the designers "insane" for not including them. Not when getting something out in a minimum amount of time and minimizing costs are considerations. Especially when it doesn't affect most users. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 17:11:58 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:11:58 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20110613160729.GG21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110613160729.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 13 June 2011 12:07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I managed to change the code on the harmony for the cable box where it > defaulted to the toggle method (since the native remote does) even though > it knows the codes for on and off. ?To me that is a huge flaw in the > current harmony setup software. ?It should ALWAYS choose the on and off > codes whenever they exist for a device. ?They are always a better choice. They are also usually undocumented. This means that the manufacturer could remove the codes with a new firmware release or a later revision of the same model, without affecting operation with the included remote. Harmony is avoiding possible support problems by defaulting to codes that are almost certainly guaranteed to work (because they're the ones the original remote uses). -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 18:15:26 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OTA HD [ was: [OT] HDTV recommendations? ] In-Reply-To: References: <20110613160640.GA13637@waltdnes.org> <20110613162407.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Dave Germiquet | The issue I have with it, is that Digital is either good on, or it goes in | or out, or not in at all. | | At least with Analog OTA you could watch still with a somewhat static | picture if you didn't have fully good coverage. Agreed. Datapoint: I have a cable outlet that works pretty well for analogue tuners in Myth but often cuts out with the Rogers set-top-box. I should get Rogers to fix it, but that is another issue. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 18:36:56 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20110613150343.GX21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | The selection of input is done by hitting 'input' then scrolling through | an onscreen menu and hitting 'enter'. This makes such a TV really | annoying to use with a universal remote such as the Harmony, since you | have to _look_ at the TV to know what the current input is in order to | know how to get to another input. That's really stupid. It's also too | many button presses. +1 | The power button remote code is unfortunately 'toggle power state'. | There is no code for power on and power off. This too makes life for the | harmony a pain. It is easy to get out of sync and have to step through | the 'help' mode to fix the setting on one of the devices to get things | back in sync. This too would have been trivial to implement. +1 | It does have a lovely display, looks good, is 1920x1080, but man the UI | design and behaviour is awful. | | Compared to their old Sony CRT that this replaced, I can almost see | why Sonys cost more now. Apparently they actually think when designing | things. This just can't be right. I have both those problems with my Sony LCD TV. I have only the second problem with my Toshiba. Another generic problem: these controls are open loop. In other words, the controller has no way of knowing if the commands were heard or obeyed. Or what the current state of the device really is. It is long past time for a two-way control protocol to be universally adopted across all brands and functions of home entertainment equipment. Another oddity: The easiest organization of home entertainment equipment is hub-and-spoke. Where all signals go into a hub and it distributes the signal as needed. So what should the hub be? Candidates are: - the "TV Set" (perhaps only the monitor) + usually the monitor is big and singular (few systems have 0 monitors, few systems have 2 or more monitors) + it's where you "look the system in the eye" so its where you intuitively think its brain is - often Monitors only pass stereo sound out, not surround sound. Crazy but true. - the AV Receiver (like a HiFi receiver) - many people don't want or need AV Receivers. One fewer box is good. + the people building these focus on sound and probably get a better result than the TV set builders. + can be relatively cheaply retrofitted into a system that is inaddequate (too few inputs) - the surround sound system (!) + perhaps this is just a degenerate AV Receiver. I bought mine expecting it to be a slave to the TV. It actually wants to be the master. Not convenient when I only want to turn the TV on and not bother with the fancy sound. Better would be a true network, with routing, like we do with ethernet. That wasn't done because different cables carry different specialized signals (10 different kinds of audio, 10 different kinds of video, 100 different kinds of control). This no longer makes sense: ethernet bandwidth is high enough to carry all those signals in one trunk. Ethernet ports are dirt cheap. The wiring would be so much simpler, cheaper, and effective. We could have an expectation of a single remote control for the whole shebang. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 18:55:59 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:55:59 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20110613150748.GZ21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <20110613150748.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:15:38PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > > We ended up getting this one, not in small part because we got a pretty > > amazing deal: > > > > http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/LN32C450E1DXZA-features > > > > We found it at The Source, and since my wife works for Bell we got it for > > $365. > > > > It's not 1080p, and it's only 32", but this is a second TV, for a > 'playroom' > > that our kids use primarily. We already have a 42" plasma in the main TV > > room. That is connected to a PS3 that already has Netflix :) > > It's the worst possible kind of HDTV you can get. It's the @#$@#$#@$ > 768 resolution shit. Until people stop buying this crap they will keep > making it. > > Okay, I can definitely see what you mean now. It's not 'oh god that's terrible' (to me), but I can see how the extra pixels cause the slight blurring. Here's the funny thing: it only happens with the computer, not with the PS3. Anything I display from the PS3, on either of my TV's, is crystal clear. For some reason the PS3 just gets it perfect and the pixels all look crisp. With the computer connected, the desktop is crystal clear, and the blurring is only slightly noticeable with live action scaled to full screen, and a bit more noticeable with animation. > I guess I lucked out, because it does have the ATSC tuner you mention. It > > will very likely never be hooked up to an antenna, as it is hooked up to > the > > computer I just built, so with XBMC it can bring in Youtube as well as > the > > WD media server I have. Plus my daughter can apparently use this TV with > her > > iPod, though I haven't figured out how to do that yet. Eventually I would > > like to bring in CBC maybe... > > > > The only thing that pissed me off is that I will have to buy a new cable > for > > audio. If you use an HDMI cable from a PC, you have to use a PC audio > jack > > to plug into the TV, you cannot use the regular AV audio inputs. Other > than > > that I'm not at all unimpressed. > > You can get a real 1080p display for that kind of money. > > I would NOT call that an amazing deal. > > Now I kinda see what you mean. A hard lesson, but on balance not the worst outcome ever :) > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 19:50:51 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:50:51 -0400 Subject: OTA HD [ was: [OT] HDTV recommendations? ] In-Reply-To: References: <20110613160640.GA13637@waltdnes.org> <20110613162407.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110613195051.GK21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:28:11PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: > The issue I have with it, is that Digital is either good on, or it goes in > or out, or not in at all. > > At least with Analog OTA you could watch still with a somewhat static > picture if you didn't have fully good coverage. Well you are vastly more likely to get a perfect picture with digital than you were to get a crappy picture with analog from a given transmitter. A great analog picture seems rare, while a perfect ATSC signal is quite common. I think it handles bad signals a lot better than analog did. So I do think in almost any cases where you were getting a bad picture on analog, you would be getting a perfect picture with digital. It would have to be rather bad before you lost the signal on digital. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 19:52:37 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:52:37 -0400 Subject: OTA HD [ was: [OT] HDTV recommendations? ] In-Reply-To: References: <20110613160640.GA13637@waltdnes.org> <20110613162407.GJ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110613195237.GL21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:15:26PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Agreed. Datapoint: > > I have a cable outlet that works pretty well for analogue tuners in > Myth but often cuts out with the Rogers set-top-box. My cable signal often results in rather crappy picture quality on the analog tuner. The set top box on the other hand records perfect images. > I should get Rogers to fix it, but that is another issue. Well I think my problem is the wiring quality in my house. I should fix that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 20:17:51 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:17:51 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20110613161204.GH21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DF62C6D.8070004@rogers.com> <20110613161204.GH21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DF6706F.4060806@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> My 32" Sony Bravia is one of those 1366 x 768 models. It looks >> > fine. I've often wondered if the 720 line sets use the entire >> > display or just mask off 1280 x 720. My Sony set has a "Display >> > Area" setting, which I can use to set the display to 3 modes, "+1", >> > "Normal" and "-1". +1 displays in the original size, Normal is >> > recommended size and -1 overscans. >> > A big part of the problem is that the scaling is hard to do right for > that ratio. There is less than a handful of brands that do scaling well > it seems. Sony is one. LG is another. > > Sounds like the Sony actually lets you use only the proper 1280x720 then > on the '+1' setting, while scaling on the normal setting. The overscan > setting makes no sense. > > I have it configured to +1, as I don't see any difference between normal and -1, both of which slightly enlarge the image. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 20:22:36 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:22:36 -0400 Subject: OTA HD [ was: [OT] HDTV recommendations? ] In-Reply-To: References: <20110613160640.GA13637@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4DF6718C.3060403@rogers.com> Dave Germiquet wrote: > Can someone tell me, do Analog AIr Waves really fill up the spectrum? > And if it does, what other plans are for them? > > Like why are we clearing them up? Is there something else that needs them. > > I kinda like Analog OTA. An analog channel occupies 6 MHz of spectrum. That same spectrum can be used for a HD channel and a couple of SDs. However the difference in technologies make it possible to pack the stations closer together. With analog, you couldn't have adjacent channels in the same market, as they'd interfere with each other. This problem is not significant with digital. The channels above 51 will be used for cell phones etc in the "700 MHz" band. Similar happened over 20 years ago, when channels 70 - 83 were eliminated to make room for the then new cell phone service. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 20:38:56 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:38:56 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20110611222726.GA10544-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4DF67560.7080100@rogers.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > * Check for overscan. I don't understand what the idiots are doing. > This is so 20th century. Back then, TV's used CRT (Cathode Ray Tubes) > and the picture would shrink over time. An older TV would have small > black borders around the edge of the picture due to shrinkage. Actually, that wasn't the problem as it could be compensated for with the height and width controls. The real issue was power line voltage variations. Those old sets had no voltage regulation, so the height and width would vary with the power line voltage, which could change significantly throughout the day. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 20:58:12 2011 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:58:12 -0400 Subject: OTA HD [ was: [OT] HDTV recommendations? ] In-Reply-To: <4DF63D9B.4050709-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4DF63D9B.4050709@ss.org> Message-ID: <4DF679E4.4080802@ss.org> On 06/13/2011 12:40 PM, Scott Sullivan wrote: > On 06/13/2011 11:40 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> Along this vein, >> >> >> Does anyone know of good Linux+Myth friendly tuner cards that support >> OTA (over-the-air) digital TV? >> >> Extra points to USB-based tuners that do both analog/digital.... >> -- >> [...] > To the point of this topic, > > A friend of mine has been using this USB turner with his ubuntu laptop > and desktop. > > Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-950Q TV Tuner Stick > http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116034 > > I can't speak for a quality but it's worked light duty he puts on it. > Just trying to get the ball rolling on actual hardware discussion. > -- > Scott Sullivan > [...] Tyler, A check of the wiki shows an incomplete list of Cards here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Digital_Tuner_Cards The note at the top points out the MythTV targets the APIs and not the cards themselves and directs towards this: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Device_Information I know it's not a hard opinionated recommendation, but is a place to start. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 21:34:40 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:34:40 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110613160729.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110613213440.GM21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 01:00:52PM -0400, Scott Allen wrote: > Discrete input select codes would generally only benefit activity > based remotes that can handle multiple devices and configurations > (such as a Harmony). The designers only needed to meet the > requirements of the remote that was going to be used to control the > TV. If they needed to include an individual code for selecting each > input, then that would mean they intended to have buttons on the > remote to match. Such remotes are getting pretty popular, and certainly anyone with a home theatre is likely to have some remote for doing activity based stuff (the one that comes with the receiver/amp generally does that to a large extent). So unless they think people that buy lots of equipment for their TV watching are not worth catering to, then they really should be doing a vastly better job. > My TV has 9 possible input sources. That would mean that its remote > would need 9 keys for input selection. Are you going to allow the user > to somehow label these keys to make it easy to know what attached > device you're selecting? Are you going to backlight these labels to > make selection easy in the dark? Putting in codes does NOT mean putting buttons on the remote. It just means you can put buttons on the remote. All it means is that your electronics recognize some more IR codes and do things based on them. This is essentially trivial software in most cases. Certainly simpler than implementing an on screen menu was. > While we're at it, why not add individual keys for each aspect ratio, > picture mode, audio mode, etc. That would be an awfully big confusing > remote. Again, add codes for it, along with a code that cycles through them. Then put on the remote whatever makes sense on the remote given available space. > The "sane" way to select from more than two or three inputs is to use > an on screen menu. This is easy to see and operate, allows for custom > labeling, and also allows for removing unused inputs from the menu. On > the remote, you only need one "input select" key in addition to the > standard direction arrows and "select/enter" key. It is only sane from the remote makers point of view, not the user. > Granted, adding individual codes for input select and other multiple > choice functions is probably easy to do and nice to have for third > party remotes, but you can't call the designers "insane" for not > including them. Not when getting something out in a minimum amount of > time and minimizing costs are considerations. Especially when it > doesn't affect most users. Oh yes I can. Harmony remotes are doing very well and if people are willing to shell out that kind of money to get a better smarter remote, clearly there is demand for such things. If your equipment isn't designed to work well with such remotes and in fact makes them nearly impossible to make work well, then you deserver to loose market share as a result. My current TV has one input select button. It cycles. It is very annoying. My parents used to have an RCA. It had flaws for sure, but the input selection was channel 91 for input 1, channel 92 for input 2, and channel 93 for input 3 (yeah they hadn't realized cable would ever go past channel 80 it seems). It was a MUCH better interface and in fact requried no extra buttons on the remote to do. It did have the problem that if you didn't know about the channel to input mapping, then it made no sense at all. If you want to save buttons, why not get rid of the numbers. You can just channel up and down after all. You will get there eventually. What's a few more button presses anyhow? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 21:36:15 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:36:15 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110613160729.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110613213615.GN21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 01:11:58PM -0400, Scott Allen wrote: > They are also usually undocumented. This means that the manufacturer > could remove the codes with a new firmware release or a later revision > of the same model, without affecting operation with the included > remote. Harmony is avoiding possible support problems by defaulting to > codes that are almost certainly guaranteed to work (because they're > the ones the original remote uses). Well for a number of devices they know what the codes that manufacturer uses for such things are. For other devices the codes simply don't exist. Removing a code is highly unlikely once it has been released since there will potentially be devices out there that already respond to that code so you can't reuse it. There really would be no reason to reuse a code either. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 21:45:32 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:45:32 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110613214532.GO21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:36:56PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I have both those problems with my Sony LCD TV. > > I have only the second problem with my Toshiba. > > Another generic problem: these controls are open loop. In other > words, the controller has no way of knowing if the commands were heard > or obeyed. Or what the current state of the device really is. Yeah, although it doesn't seem like that is going to change. It would mean adding a transmitter to a lot of devices and a receiver to a lot of remotes, so solve what most people think is a rare problem. > It is long past time for a two-way control protocol to be universally > adopted across all brands and functions of home entertainment > equipment. Well perhaps while at it, switch to RF rather than IR. Some systems have. > Another oddity: > > The easiest organization of home entertainment > equipment is hub-and-spoke. Where all signals go into a hub and it > distributes the signal as needed. > > So what should the hub be? Candidates are: > > - the "TV Set" (perhaps only the monitor) > > + usually the monitor is big and singular (few systems have 0 > monitors, few systems have 2 or more monitors) > > + it's where you "look the system in the eye" so its where you > intuitively think its brain is > > - often Monitors only pass stereo sound out, not surround sound. > Crazy but true. I believe HDMI actually supports such distribution of commands. > - the AV Receiver (like a HiFi receiver) > > - many people don't want or need AV Receivers. One fewer box is > good. > > + the people building these focus on sound and probably get a better > result than the TV set builders. > > + can be relatively cheaply retrofitted into a system that is > inaddequate (too few inputs) > > - the surround sound system (!) > > + perhaps this is just a degenerate AV Receiver. > > I bought mine expecting it to be a slave to the TV. It actually > wants to be the master. Not convenient when I only want to turn the > TV on and not bother with the fancy sound. Yeah AV receivers really do want to be in charge most of the time. The one my parents have now have an exception where when off the blueray input is directly passed through to the TV, so you could have just the TV on along with whatever is on that input without turning everything on. > Better would be a true network, with routing, like we do with > ethernet. That wasn't done because different cables carry different > specialized signals (10 different kinds of audio, 10 different kinds > of video, 100 different kinds of control). This no longer makes > sense: ethernet bandwidth is high enough to carry all those signals in > one trunk. Ethernet ports are dirt cheap. The wiring would be so > much simpler, cheaper, and effective. We could have an expectation of > a single remote control for the whole shebang. No ethernet isn't that fast. 1920x1080 @ 120 frames per second (3D uses that) at 16 bite per colour (they are at 10bits per colour on HDMI already, so 16 might happen some day is 6 bytes per pixel) = 1423MB/sec. Add audio to that. This is quite a bit in excess of what 10Gbit Ethernet can do. And some people are starting to talk 4k video resolution (A number of movie theatres already project 4k which is 4096x2160 (so a bit more than 4 times what full HD is now). That would hit 6GB/sec for video alone. HDMI 1.4 can do that. Ethernet can't. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 21:46:47 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:46:47 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <4DF6706F.4060806-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DF62C6D.8070004@rogers.com> <20110613161204.GH21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DF6706F.4060806@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110613214647.GP21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 04:17:51PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > I have it configured to +1, as I don't see any difference between > normal and -1, both of which slightly enlarge the image. Sony is known to be one of the few that can scale video with good quality. Still no scaling would be prefered. Good thing video is already smooth gradiants in general so you might not notice a difference in a lot of cases. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 21:48:14 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:48:14 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <4DF63C0F.1010408-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <20110613150748.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DF62CCC.1060606@rogers.com> <4DF63C0F.1010408@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110613214814.GQ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:34:23PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > There are (or were) several 720p channels on Rogers. I currently > have my cable boxes set to convert everything to 1080i, but IIRC, > some channels, such as Equator and Oasis, along with WKBW(?) were > 720p. Of course, with normal viewing distances, it's harder to see > 1080 lines on smaller sets. Computer monitors are the exception to > this, as you normally sit quite close to them and resolution is more > important. I use passthrough. I would rather have 60 frames per second than 30 and let the next device scale it to 1080p60 rather than convert 1080i to 1080p30. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 21:49:34 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:49:34 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110611222726.GA10544@waltdnes.org> <20110613150748.GZ21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110613214934.GR21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:55:59PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > Now I kinda see what you mean. A hard lesson, but on balance not the worst > outcome ever :) There will be a better one for less next year. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 23:21:55 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:21:55 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20110613213440.GM21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110613160729.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110613213440.GM21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 13 June 2011 17:34, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Harmony remotes are doing very well and if people are > willing to shell out that kind of money to get a better smarter remote, > clearly there is demand for such things. ?If your equipment isn't designed > to work well with such remotes and in fact makes them nearly impossible > to make work well, then you deserver to loose market share as a result. So how many TV marketing brochures or technical specifications have you seen that say: "Includes additional IR codes for discrete control of power, inputs and other functions, for use with other company's remotes"? The TV manufacturer doesn't make any money on the sale of these remotes. Harmony is doing a pretty good job of handling menus and other multi-key sequences to switch things, so it's not like most of these TVs can't be made to work at all with a Harmony. How often do you think that a consumer tells a manufacturer "I didn't buy your TV because it doesn't have discrete codes to work with my Harmony"? How often have you seen postings on the Internet, even in technical forums, which say "I wouldn't recommend this TV because it doesn't have discrete IR codes for intelligent remotes"? I doubt that many marketing departments feel that they are loosing market share because of it. Believe me, if they thought that adding discrete codes would increase market share enough to justify it, they would. Otherwise, as you say, they deserve to loose market share for not recognising this fact. Lennart, Please note that I agree with you. I get just as pissed off as you do when my Harmony gets out of sync (although the "help" button usually cures it). I had to come up with some tricks to get my Samsung TV to properly switch inputs (It has discrete input codes but some don't work properly). I'm just playing devils advocate to try to explain why the manufacturers probably don't think that they are as insane as we feel they are. ;-) -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 13 23:31:02 2011 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:31:02 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110613160729.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110613213440.GM21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DF69DB6.1030804@rogers.com> On 13/06/11 7:21 PM, Scott Allen wrote: > > I'm just playing devils advocate to try to explain why the > manufacturers probably don't think that they are as insane as we feel > they are. ;-) They're not insane, just incompetent - but not any more incompetent than all the other manufacturers - so they all get to stay in business. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 14 00:19:51 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:19:51 -0400 Subject: OTA HD [ was: [OT] HDTV recommendations? ] In-Reply-To: References: <20110613160640.GA13637@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20110614001951.GA16782@waltdnes.org> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:18:17PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote > Ok. > > Can someone tell me, do Analog AIr Waves really fill up the spectrum? And if > it does, what other plans are for them? > > Like why are we clearing them up? Is there something else that needs them. > > I kinda like Analog OTA. I watch the Stanley Cup and NFL and baseball in high-definition digital OTA, and I could never go back to analogue. One of my former co-workers is a golf fan, and he feels the same about golf, where he can see the individual blades of grass. BTW, don't go by what you see in Future Shop or Best Buy. Their TVs are the same as everybody else's, but the demo models there are usually set garishly bright ("torch mode"), and they look downright ugly. The sales staff don't have a clue. They spend their time pushing Monster cables and Rogers/Bell, because they get high commissions from them. If a few people within bus ride range need help setting up their TVs, I can help with the run-of-the-mill basic stuff. I can also suggest a retired guy in the electronics business who does a major setup for around $100. Depending on your vision, you may or may not notice the difference between me and him. Some people are picky about how their stereo is set up, others, not so much. Same thing with TV sets. Digital (ATSC) has a couple of other advantages over analogue (NTSC) * you can get away with adjacent physical channels in the same market ATSC. E.g. in Buffalo - WNLO The CW (virtual 23.1) is on physical 32 - WGRZ NBC (virtual 2.1) is on physical 33 * you can throw in 1 or 2 standard definition subchannels in addition to the main channel. The CRTC is totally anal, and doesn't allow this in Canada, but for instance, WGRZ has the following virtuals... 2.1 WGRZ NBC 2.2 NBC Universal Sports 2.3 RTV (Retro TV) Between the above 2 items, you can actually squeeze in more digital channels into the smaller (14..51) UHF band than analogue channels into the old (14..69) UHF band. And how many people here remember the days of channels 14..83? -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 14 03:16:35 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 23:16:35 -0400 Subject: OTA HD [ was: [OT] HDTV recommendations? ] In-Reply-To: <20110614001951.GA16782-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110613160640.GA13637@waltdnes.org> <20110614001951.GA16782@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4DF6D293.8060105@rogers.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > And how many people here remember the days > of channels 14..83? > And how many remember the days of Ch 1? Yep, there really was a Ch 1 in the U.S., prior to WW2. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 14 04:18:26 2011 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:18:26 +1000 (EST) Subject: Security for SSH In-Reply-To: References: <4DF274A3.9000107@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Thanks everyone for your input. :) > > I understand now why Certificates are sometimes used for security. It's worth noting that if you accept the public key of the remote host 'in band' when you first connect you are susceptible to a 'man-in-the-middle' attack (MITM). This is only true the first time you connect. If you are really paraoid you can send the key 'out of band' using some method which preumably authenticates the remote host and have SSH refuse to accept remote host keys in band. In practice few people do this - even among those who understand the crypto involved, most will accept the small risk of a MITM. Cheers, Rob > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Stephen wrote: >>> On 11-06-10 03:25 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: >>>> >>>> I know SSH certificates verification is much better than password >>>> verification. >>>> >>>> However if the password is complex enough, is SSH vulnerable with >> password >>>> verification? >>>> >>> Until authentication is complete, there is no encryption. >>> >>> So you are sending the password unencrypted, and it could be sniffed. >> >> You're partly wrong... >> >> Encryption most certainly *IS* used, throughout. (Well, unless you >> suppress it, which can be done by suitably dumb mucking around with >> configuration.) >> >> But you could be passing your password, albeit encrypted, to someone >> that you didn't intend to give it to. >> >> The problem isn't that it "could be sniffed" - that is more than >> likely not possible. >> >> Instead, you might give your password, encrypted, to someone that has >> the key to decrypt data to get it, and that someone mightn't be >> someone to whom you wanted to entrust your password. >> >> A warning is given, in such cases, with the whole "The authenticity of >> host xxxxxxx can't be established... Are you sure you want to >> continue connecting (yes/now)?" exchange. >> -- >> When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the >> question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Contributing member of Software in the Public Interest (http://spi-inc.org/) Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 14 17:01:19 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:01:19 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110613160729.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110613213440.GM21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110614170119.GS21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 07:21:55PM -0400, Scott Allen wrote: > So how many TV marketing brochures or technical specifications have > you seen that say: > "Includes additional IR codes for discrete control of power, inputs > and other functions, for use with other company's remotes"? > The TV manufacturer doesn't make any money on the sale of these remotes. Well I know that I will be looking for this in the future. Any that don't will simply be off the list of things to choose from. > Harmony is doing a pretty good job of handling menus and other > multi-key sequences to switch things, so it's not like most of these > TVs can't be made to work at all with a Harmony. They just don't work very well and can often get messed up and out of sync. Gets rather annoying. > How often do you think that a consumer tells a manufacturer "I didn't > buy your TV because it doesn't have discrete codes to work with my > Harmony"? How often have you seen postings on the Internet, even in > technical forums, which say "I wouldn't recommend this TV because it > doesn't have discrete IR codes for intelligent remotes"? Most people writing reviews aren't writing anything of any value. > I doubt that many marketing departments feel that they are loosing > market share because of it. Believe me, if they thought that adding > discrete codes would increase market share enough to justify it, they > would. Otherwise, as you say, they deserve to loose market share for > not recognising this fact. Well I am hoping that as harmony remotes and such gain in popularity perhaps they will start to hear such complaints. And actually I am discovering that they are getting such complaints: http://community.insigniaproducts.com/t5/Televisions/Discrete-IR-Codes/td-p/4239 > Lennart, > Please note that I agree with you. I get just as pissed off as you do > when my Harmony gets out of sync (although the "help" button usually > cures it). I had to come up with some tricks to get my Samsung TV to > properly switch inputs (It has discrete input codes but some don't > work properly). > > I'm just playing devils advocate to try to explain why the > manufacturers probably don't think that they are as insane as we feel > they are. ;-) Well if everyone just quietly grumbles about it to themselves, they will never fix it. I did just find www.remotecentral.com which has collections of codes for many things. Seems to even have hex remote codes for a lot of models for discrete power and input selections. I am going to have to do some searching there. They even have a convinient page: http://www.remotecentral.com/files/use-ir.htm It nicely lists brands that are known to not have discreet codes. Seems Toshiba is the single worst offender. Every single device of every type Toshiba makes has no discreet power codes. Interestingly one brand has a model listed with a note that they released a firmware upgrade to add discreet codes. Well that's nice at least. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 14 17:03:01 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:03:01 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <4DF69DB6.1030804-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110613160729.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110613213440.GM21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DF69DB6.1030804@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110614170301.GT21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 07:31:02PM -0400, Yanni Chiu wrote: > They're not insane, just incompetent - but not any more incompetent > than all the other manufacturers - so they all get to stay in > business. Many brands DO have such codes, even if they don't normally use them. Certainly Sony and such do, since they make AV receivers that need those discrete codes for their universal remote capability. Those that don't make AV receivers seem to not even consider integration when doing the design. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 14 19:09:01 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:09:01 +0000 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20110614170119.GS21347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110613160729.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110613213440.GM21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110614170119.GS21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 07:21:55PM -0400, Scott Allen wrote: >> So how many TV marketing brochures or technical specifications have >> you seen that say: >> "Includes additional IR codes for discrete control of power, inputs >> and other functions, for use with other company's remotes"? >> The TV manufacturer doesn't make any money on the sale of these remotes. > > Well I know that I will be looking for this in the future. ?Any that > don't will simply be off the list of things to choose from. We can infer, from this distinction, that vendors that don't include "integration" as part of their products will be relatively uninterested in this sort of interoperability. Vendors that hope to sell multiple components to their customers are more likely to care. Sadly there lies a temptation, in such a case, to have the integration protocol be proprietary. They'd market this via "this allows us to serve our customers better." >> Harmony is doing a pretty good job of handling menus and other >> multi-key sequences to switch things, so it's not like most of these >> TVs can't be made to work at all with a Harmony. > > They just don't work very well and can often get messed up and out > of sync. ?Gets rather annoying. In effect, some of the wrong sorts of ergonomic engineering have been done. The designs of remote controls have been "successful enough," by virtue of depending on the human observer, whom they rightly expect to be present, and observant. But the "open loop" control form makes it nearly impossible to create more automated controls. >> I doubt that many marketing departments feel that they are loosing >> market share because of it. Believe me, if they thought that adding >> discrete codes would increase market share enough to justify it, they >> would. Otherwise, as you say, they deserve to loose market share for >> not recognising this fact. > > Well I am hoping that as harmony remotes and such gain in popularity > perhaps they will start to hear such complaints. Perhaps... It would bite them rather more directly if the intelligent controllers are occasionally being sold by the same companies that make the devices being controlled. > And actually I am discovering that they are getting such complaints: > http://community.insigniaproducts.com/t5/Televisions/Discrete-IR-Codes/td-p/4239 That's encouraging. > Well if everyone just quietly grumbles about it to themselves, they will > never fix it. Another form of "open loop" :-). -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 14 19:35:17 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:35:17 -0400 Subject: [OT] HDTV recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <20110613150343.GX21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110613160729.GG21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110613213440.GM21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110614170119.GS21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110614193517.GU21347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 07:09:01PM +0000, Christopher Browne wrote: > We can infer, from this distinction, that vendors that don't include > "integration" as part of their products will be relatively > uninterested in this sort of interoperability. > > Vendors that hope to sell multiple components to their customers are > more likely to care. Sadly there lies a temptation, in such a case, > to have the integration protocol be proprietary. They'd market this > via "this allows us to serve our customers better." Well my parents old AV receiver was a sony. It had a lot of other brands listed by name on its remote that you could select from. It did a rather good job dealing with other brands. In fact I just set it up at my sister's place now, and the only thing it couldn't be setup to operate was the Bell satelite receiver. No idea what IR codes that uses. > In effect, some of the wrong sorts of ergonomic engineering have been done. It may be an interface that is obvious to see how works on the screen, but is actually very annoying to use. > The designs of remote controls have been "successful enough," by > virtue of depending on the human observer, whom they rightly expect to > be present, and observant. But the "open loop" control form makes it > nearly impossible to create more automated controls. I personally prefer less buttons to do things. I hate having to hit input 4 or 5 times to cycle through the inputs to get where I want. I know the xbox is in video3 so let me go there please. Preferably in one or two button presses. In fact my Dell monitor has this problem (but is otherwise very nice). You have 8 inputs to cycle through with a single input select button. You can hit menu, scroll to input, hit menu, scroll to the input you want and hit select, but that's even worse. > Perhaps... It would bite them rather more directly if the intelligent > controllers are occasionally being sold by the same companies that > make the devices being controlled. True. Unfortunately Logitech isn't making the components. > That's encouraging. Yeah and the fact that a website dedicated to remote controls is maintaining a 'TOAD' list is rather nice. A hall of shame list really. > Another form of "open loop" :-). I did manage to find out Viewsonic has discrete on/off codes while searching. I guess that would make Dell's deal today pretty nice. 1080p 37" viewsonic for $499 down from $750. I don't think my wife would be convinced we need a new TV though. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 15 16:00:50 2011 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:00:50 -0400 Subject: Looking for Speakers or Topics Message-ID: So we don't have any speakers for any of the upcoming meeting. Anyone want to volunteer for a talk? Or has a talk suggestion? One thing that came up at beer last night was a talk on Bitcoin. -- Myles Braithwaite http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 15 18:23:37 2011 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:23:37 -0400 Subject: Looking for Speakers or Topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DF8F8A9.5070304@dinamis.com> On 06/15/2011 12:00 PM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > So we don't have any speakers for any of the upcoming meeting. Anyone > want to volunteer for a talk? Or has a talk suggestion? > > One thing that came up at beer last night was a talk on Bitcoin. How about a talk on the occupational hazards of being a desk jockey and what you can do to mitigate them? I got a (non life threatening) wake up call last year and started really paying attention to my health. In the process, I've learned more in one year about the topics of health, fitness, and nutrition than in all my prior years combined. I've gone from a paunchy, middle-aged geek to a lean, athletic guy who I'm told looks 10 years younger. My productivity is much higher. I have so much more energy and I feel great! I want everyone to feel the way I do so I'm happy to share what I've learned with anyone. The kicker is that none of what I've done has been tremendously difficult and only required learning and applying some crucial bits of information. In fact, it has been downright fun, something which I never would have imagined it would be. I could and should have done this years ago but I was caught up in the whole silly "I'm too busy right now. I'll get to it someday." There isn't a day of the week called "Someday" on the calendar so if you're currently in this mode, and I know based on having met many of you, you probably are, you need to take action sooner rather than later. In this talk, I'll cover the following. * Background * Why sitting for extended periods of time is killing you slowly. * The relationship between stress, diet, sleep cycles and belly fat. * How to start and more importantly, stay on a fitness regimen. * The best fitness regimen. (Hint: it's the one that you'll actually do!) * What metrics are important? (Hint: It's not weight, within reason.) * Why now is better than later. The longer you delay, the harder it is to reverse the damage you've already caused to your body. What is that damage? (And it isn't the usual, "It's bad for your heart.", etc.) * How to stay motivated. (Hint: It can't be "Sigh... I have to lose weight.")) Granted, this is not about Linux but if you don't have your health, your Linux skills aren't going to matter very much. I can be available for a talk in September or later. By the way, I'm quite amused by the suggestion that the Mozilla Thunderbird spell-checker made for "Braithwaite" - Brainteaser. :) -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 15 18:28:21 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:28:21 -0400 Subject: Looking for Speakers or Topics In-Reply-To: <4DF8F8A9.5070304-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4DF8F8A9.5070304@dinamis.com> Message-ID: I'd be curious how you did it. I'm trying walking :) On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:23 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 06/15/2011 12:00 PM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > >> So we don't have any speakers for any of the upcoming meeting. Anyone >> want to volunteer for a talk? Or has a talk suggestion? >> >> One thing that came up at beer last night was a talk on Bitcoin. >> > > How about a talk on the occupational hazards of being a desk jockey and > what you can do to mitigate them? I got a (non life threatening) wake up > call last year and started really paying attention to my health. In the > process, I've learned more in one year about the topics of health, fitness, > and nutrition than in all my prior years combined. I've gone from a paunchy, > middle-aged geek to a lean, athletic guy who I'm told looks 10 years > younger. My productivity is much higher. I have so much more energy and I > feel great! I want everyone to feel the way I do so I'm happy to share what > I've learned with anyone. The kicker is that none of what I've done has been > tremendously difficult and only required learning and applying some crucial > bits of information. In fact, it has been downright fun, something which I > never would have imagined it would be. I could and should have done this > years ago but I was caught up in the whole silly "I'm too busy right now. > I'll get to it someday." There isn't a day of the week called "Someday" on > the calendar so if you're currently in this mode, and I know based on having > met many of you, you probably are, you need to take action sooner rather > than later. In this talk, I'll cover the following. > > * Background > > * Why sitting for extended periods of time is killing you slowly. > > * The relationship between stress, diet, sleep cycles and belly fat. > > * How to start and more importantly, stay on a fitness regimen. > > * The best fitness regimen. (Hint: it's the one that you'll actually do!) > > * What metrics are important? (Hint: It's not weight, within reason.) > > * Why now is better than later. The longer you delay, the harder it is to > reverse the damage you've already caused to your body. What is that damage? > (And it isn't the usual, "It's bad for your heart.", etc.) > > * How to stay motivated. (Hint: It can't be "Sigh... I have to lose > weight.")) > > Granted, this is not about Linux but if you don't have your health, your > Linux skills aren't going to matter very much. I can be available for a talk > in September or later. > > By the way, I'm quite amused by the suggestion that the Mozilla Thunderbird > spell-checker made for "Braithwaite" - Brainteaser. :) > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > So we don't have any speakers for any of the upcoming meeting. Anyone > want to volunteer for a talk? Or has a talk suggestion? > > One thing that came up at beer last night was a talk on Bitcoin. > > -- > Myles Braithwaite > http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- G. Matthew Rice ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? gpg id: EF9AAD20 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 15 18:33:00 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:33:00 +0000 Subject: Looking for Speakers or Topics In-Reply-To: <4DF8F8A9.5070304-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4DF8F8A9.5070304@dinamis.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 6:23 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > * What metrics are important? (Hint: It's not weight, within reason.) I recently got rather irritated; did a "fitness test" at the YMCA, and concluded that about 80% of the things that they were measuring were almost exclusively perfectly correlated with weight, which means that those measurements were pretty well redundant. Notably... - How high can one jump? - How many pushups? - Running test... If all they're trying to say is "oh, you need to lose some weight," they only need one of those tests. But the question of whether my legs, arms, or other bits are relatively stronger/weaker than hoped for shouldn't be so biased by weight. > * Why now is better than later. The longer you delay, the harder it is to > reverse the damage you've already caused to your body. What is that damage? > (And it isn't the usual, "It's bad for your heart.", etc.) > > * How to stay motivated. (Hint: It can't be "Sigh... I have to lose > weight.")) Agreed. See above! :-) > Granted, this is not about Linux but if you don't have your health, your > Linux skills aren't going to matter very much. I can be available for a talk > in September or later. That sounds like a pretty neat idea to me. >From the Princess Bride: Count Rugen: Get some rest. If you haven't got your health, then you haven't got anything. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 15 18:44:47 2011 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:44:47 -0400 Subject: Looking for Speakers or Topics In-Reply-To: <4DF8F8A9.5070304-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4DF8F8A9.5070304@dinamis.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:23 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 06/15/2011 12:00 PM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: >> >> So we don't have any speakers for any of the upcoming meeting. Anyone >> want to volunteer for a talk? Or has a talk suggestion? >> >> One thing that came up at beer last night was a talk on Bitcoin. > > How about a talk on the occupational hazards of being a desk jockey and what > you can do to mitigate them? I got a (non life threatening) wake up call > last year and started really paying attention to my health. In the process, > I've learned more in one year about the topics of health, fitness, and > nutrition than in all my prior years combined. I've gone from a paunchy, > middle-aged geek to a lean, athletic guy who I'm told looks 10 years > younger. My productivity is much higher. I have so much more energy and I > feel great! I want everyone to feel the way I do so I'm happy to share what > I've learned with anyone. The kicker is that none of what I've done has been > tremendously difficult and only required learning and applying some crucial > bits of information. In fact, it has been downright fun, something which I > never would have imagined it would be. I could and should have done this > years ago but I was caught up in the whole silly "I'm too busy right now. > I'll get to it someday." There isn't a day of the week called "Someday" on > the calendar so if you're currently in this mode, and I know based on having > met many of you, you probably are, you need to take action sooner rather > than later. In this talk, I'll cover the following. > > * Background > > * Why sitting for extended periods of time is killing you slowly. > > * The relationship between stress, diet, sleep cycles and belly fat. > > * How to start and more importantly, stay on a fitness regimen. > > * The best fitness regimen. (Hint: it's the one that you'll actually do!) > > * What metrics are important? (Hint: It's not weight, within reason.) > > * Why now is better than later. The longer you delay, the harder it is to > reverse the damage you've already caused to your body. What is that damage? > (And it isn't the usual, "It's bad for your heart.", etc.) > > * How to stay motivated. (Hint: It can't be "Sigh... I have to lose > weight.")) > > Granted, this is not about Linux but if you don't have your health, your > Linux skills aren't going to matter very much. I can be available for a talk > in September or later. > > By the way, I'm quite amused by the suggestion that the Mozilla Thunderbird > spell-checker made for "Braithwaite" - Brainteaser. :) > -- I'm very interested in this having just had a nutritionist provide me with a diet specific to me and I have lost 15 lbs in a month and feel considerably better. The other things are of great interest though. Dave > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada ?M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 15 18:54:50 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:54:50 -0400 Subject: Looking for Speakers or Topics In-Reply-To: <4DF8F8A9.5070304-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4DF8F8A9.5070304@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20110615185450.GA7768@amber> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 02:23:37PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > How about a talk on the occupational hazards of being a desk jockey and > what you can do to mitigate them? I got a (non life threatening) wake up > call last year and started really paying attention to my health. In the > process, I've learned more in one year about the topics of health, > fitness, and nutrition than in all my prior years combined. I've gone > from a paunchy, middle-aged geek to a lean, athletic guy who I'm told > looks 10 years younger. My productivity is much higher. I have so much > more energy and I feel great! I want everyone to feel the way I do so > I'm happy to share what I've learned with anyone. The kicker is that > none of what I've done has been tremendously difficult and only required > learning and applying some crucial bits of information. In fact, it has > been downright fun, something which I never would have imagined it would > be. I could and should have done this years ago but I was caught up in > the whole silly "I'm too busy right now. I'll get to it someday." There > isn't a day of the week called "Someday" on the calendar so if you're > currently in this mode, and I know based on having met many of you, you > probably are, you need to take action sooner rather than later. In this I would be *delighted* to hear a talk on this subject by someone who is not trying to sell me personal training lessons, sign up for courses, or any of the other moneymaking nonsense that obscures most of the fitness facts one needs to know. Count me in, sign me up, I'll be there. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 15 19:24:36 2011 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:24:36 -0400 Subject: Looking for Speakers or Topics In-Reply-To: References: <4DF8F8A9.5070304@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <4DF906F4.8060807@dinamis.com> On 06/15/2011 02:28 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > I'd be curious how you did it. I'm trying walking :) Come to the talk and you'll find out. :) Walking is a necessary but not sufficient component of the mix. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 15 19:53:12 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:53:12 -0400 Subject: Looking for Speakers or Topics In-Reply-To: References: <4DF8F8A9.5070304@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20110615195312.GA7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 06:33:00PM +0000, Christopher Browne wrote: > I recently got rather irritated; did a "fitness test" at the YMCA, and > concluded that about 80% of the things that they were measuring were > almost exclusively perfectly correlated with weight, which means that > those measurements were pretty well redundant. > > Notably... > - How high can one jump? That's somewhat affected by weight, but more by mussle strength. > - How many pushups? Endurance and muscle strength. Sure your weight has some influence but not in comparison. > - Running test... That's endurance. Being heavier matters a bit, but not compared to endurance. > If all they're trying to say is "oh, you need to lose some weight," > they only need one of those tests. But the question of whether my > legs, arms, or other bits are relatively stronger/weaker than hoped > for shouldn't be so biased by weight. You can easily gain strength and endurance and get a lot healthier, without it actually resulting in weight loss at all. > Agreed. See above! :-) My motivation has been "I should be more fit so I can be better at playing Ultimate". So far it is working. > That sounds like a pretty neat idea to me. > > From the Princess Bride: > Count Rugen: Get some rest. If you haven't got your health, then you > haven't got anything. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 15 19:54:12 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:54:12 -0400 Subject: Looking for Speakers or Topics In-Reply-To: References: <4DF8F8A9.5070304@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20110615195412.GB7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 02:28:21PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: > I'd be curious how you did it. I'm trying walking :) I am doing Tae Kwon Do, and during the summer Ultimate. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 15 21:47:19 2011 From: avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Volkov) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:47:19 -0400 Subject: Looking for Speakers or Topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm kicking around an idea of doing a talk on virtualization while I still remember anything about it. I'm not planning to go particularly in-depth just an overview of working with XEN,KVM and a little about virtualbox. Also go over a bit about relevant technologies -- Brctrl lvm, and maybe freebsd jails, chrooted processes for extra credit. Would anyone be interested in that? Sent from my mobile device. On Jun 15, 2011 12:01 PM, "Myles Braithwaite" wrote: > So we don't have any speakers for any of the upcoming meeting. Anyone > want to volunteer for a talk? Or has a talk suggestion? > > One thing that came up at beer last night was a talk on Bitcoin. > > -- > Myles Braithwaite > http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 15 22:13:23 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:13:23 +0000 Subject: Looking for Speakers or Topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Alex Volkov wrote: > I'm kicking around an idea of doing a talk on virtualization while I still > remember anything about it. I'm not planning to go particularly in-depth > just an overview of working with XEN,KVM and a little about virtualbox. > > Also go over a bit about relevant technologies -- Brctrl lvm, and maybe > freebsd jails, chrooted processes for extra credit. > > Would anyone be interested in that? We have had some talks on this in the past, so that people have expressed a degree of anti-interest. http://gtalug.org/wiki/Meetings:2007-03 http://gtalug.org/wiki/Meetings:2008-04 A lot of VMWare folk are based in Burlington, so we've had quite a bit of coverage as consequence. It has been ~3 years since there was last a talk on this, so I'm sure it's possible to say something useful. The "beware" is that a lot of things may have been said before. Something I'm pretty sure would not be terribly well received is a missive on what commands to use to set up the cluster. "Why?" is much more interesting than "How?" -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 02:06:14 2011 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:06:14 -0400 Subject: Looking for Speakers or Topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > Something I'm pretty sure would not be terribly well received is a > missive on what commands to use to set up the cluster. ?"Why?" is much > more interesting than "How?" I'll offer up another Atomic OS talk if there's interest and it's 3+ months out. There have been some truly remarkable developments in client-side web development since my first public talk @tlug... I'm thinking of 5 specific things, but I'll leave it to people's imaginations for now. 'Why?" (or what's the killer application?) is something I think I can finally answer. =D -- ? Scott Elcomb ? @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca ? Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems ? http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ ? Clerk of the Pirate Party of Canada ? http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 02:52:11 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:52:11 -0400 Subject: USB causes kernel crashes... In-Reply-To: <20110610215902.GA14818@amber> References: <20110610164814.GA13983@amber> <4DF250D1.10107@gmail.com> <20110610181204.GA14180@amber> <20110610215902.GA14818@amber> Message-ID: <20110616025211.GA8913@amber> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 05:59:02PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > > Pretty sure it's a kernel issue. It does *not* happen with 2.6.37-r4, where > > I can plug and unplug devices willy-nilly. Plus, there are others who report > > the same problem with the 2.6.38/9 kernels. No doubt it does interact with my > > hardware -- I don't have the problem on my other computers -- but then again, > > it's my hardware that I'm stuck with, and it would be good to make it work. > > Threads from Arch, Slackware, Debian, Ububtu. It seems to be a kernel/udev problem, > but nobody knows quite what or how to fix it. Count yourself lucky if it doesn't Upgraded to udev 1.71, which seems to run with 2.6.39-r1 with no problems so far. Since the preceding configurations crashed either on startup or as soon as any USB device was plugged in, it seems probable that, whatever the bug, it's been cured by the latest iterations of these pieces of software. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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No doubt it does interact with my >> > hardware -- I don't have the problem on my other computers -- but then again, >> > it's my hardware that I'm stuck with, and it would be good to make it work. >> >> Threads from Arch, Slackware, Debian, Ububtu. It seems to be a kernel/udev problem, >> but nobody knows quite what or how to fix it. Count yourself lucky if it doesn't > > Upgraded to udev 1.71, which seems to run with 2.6.39-r1 with no problems so far. > Since the preceding configurations crashed either on startup or as soon as any USB > device was plugged in, it seems probable that, whatever the bug, it's been cured by > the latest iterations of these pieces of software. > > -- > Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > Department of Philosophy > 170 St. George Street #521 > The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc > Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 > CANADA > > http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ > > ========================================================================= > GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 03:29:51 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:29:51 -0700 Subject: OTA HD [ was: [OT] HDTV recommendations? ] In-Reply-To: <4DF679E4.4080802-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4DF63D9B.4050709@ss.org> <4DF679E4.4080802@ss.org> Message-ID: The ethernet-based "HDHomeRun Prime" seems pretty cool. It's got a pretty hefty price-tag, but also has three tuners. Seems it hasn't been officially released though, so I wonder what it'll turn out to cost in Canada. The usual DRM suckage though: Full support of CableCard requires that every device and software in the recording chain be certified as enforcing the copy protection mandated by the software I wonder what kind of copy-protection these devices use... On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Scott Sullivan wrote: > On 06/13/2011 12:40 PM, Scott Sullivan wrote: >> >> On 06/13/2011 11:40 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >>> >>> Along this vein, >>> >>> >>> Does anyone know of good Linux+Myth friendly tuner cards that support >>> OTA (over-the-air) digital TV? >>> >>> Extra points to USB-based tuners that do both analog/digital.... >>> -- >>> [...] >> >> To the point of this topic, >> >> A friend of mine has been using this USB turner with his ubuntu laptop and >> desktop. >> >> Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-950Q TV Tuner Stick >> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116034 >> >> I can't speak for a quality but it's worked light duty he puts on it. Just >> trying to get the ball rolling on actual hardware discussion. >> -- >> Scott Sullivan >> [...] > > Tyler, > > A check of the wiki shows an incomplete list of Cards here: > http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Digital_Tuner_Cards > > The note at the top points out the MythTV targets the APIs and not the cards > themselves and directs towards this: > > http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Device_Information > > I know it's not a hard opinionated recommendation, but is a place to start. > -- > Scott Sullivan > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA "Computers don't make mistakes. They can, however, execute those provided to them very quickly" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 03:47:30 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:47:30 -0400 Subject: Duke Nukem Forever Message-ID: This evening I attended a meeting (Toronto Free-Net Board meeting) which finished before 9:00 PM so I was able to stick my nose into one of the big box electronics shops downtown. While there I actually held in my hands a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" for the PC, no joke! For those who don't know the story here, "Duke Nukem Forever" has been coming real soon now for some 15 (yes, 15) years, details to be seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever . "Duke Nukem Forever" has become the poster child for vaporware (software promised but not delivered). I have fond memories of playing "Duke Nukem 3D" against my brother over 10 years ago, and if I were still running MS Windows I would have been very tempted to buy a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" just for the sake of nostalgia. Still I wonder, while I don't doubt there are some gamers who would buy the new game because they remember the old, I imagine that is a fairly modest market. So I will be interested in hearing how this game sells, as I assume most of the buyers will be viewing this as a totally new game... Oh, and in the words of the Duke (before shooting one of the aliens in the game) "Come get some, baby!". :-) . Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 03:56:16 2011 From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:56:16 -0400 Subject: Duke Nukem Forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here is the review from Ars Technica: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/06/duke-nukem-forever-review-barely-playable-unfunny-and-rampantly-offensive.ars Not very encouraging. On 15 Jun 2011 23:47, "Colin McGregor" wrote: > This evening I attended a meeting (Toronto Free-Net Board meeting) > which finished before 9:00 PM so I was able to stick my nose into one > of the big box electronics shops downtown. While there I actually held > in my hands a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" for the PC, no joke! > > For those who don't know the story here, "Duke Nukem Forever" has > been coming real soon now for some 15 (yes, 15) years, details to be > seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever . "Duke > Nukem Forever" has become the poster child for vaporware (software > promised but not delivered). > > I have fond memories of playing "Duke Nukem 3D" against my brother > over 10 years ago, and if I were still running MS Windows I would have > been very tempted to buy a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" just for the > sake of nostalgia. Still I wonder, while I don't doubt there are some > gamers who would buy the new game because they remember the old, I > imagine that is a fairly modest market. So I will be interested in > hearing how this game sells, as I assume most of the buyers will be > viewing this as a totally new game... > > Oh, and in the words of the Duke (before shooting one of the aliens in > the game) "Come get some, baby!". :-) . > > > Colin McGregor > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 06:06:06 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 02:06:06 -0400 Subject: Changing android gmail to send out plain text instead of html code Message-ID: Hey Guys, Does anyone here know how to change Android Gmail client to send there emails out using plaintext instead of html? I think one of my programs AGP isn't working correctly because the gmail client is sending out emails in html. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ?Want to send emails that can't be read by someone else Some people ask "Why encrypt email?" The reason is simple: privacy. As it stands, getting access to an email message is very easy to do. Whether it's because of an email server being hacked, the email being intercepted, or even laws that allow governments to go through all electronic messages sent. You have a right to your privacy, but it's up to you to protect that right. * Encrypt with my pgp key which can be found here: * https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event -- For more info go here: http://www.gnupg.org/ for GNU Version ?? or here http://www.symantec.com/business/theme.jsp?themeid=pgp ?? for business implementation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 10:43:25 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 06:43:25 -0400 Subject: Changing android gmail to send out plain text instead of html code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try logging in, either from a pc or your phone with a web browser client and change your gmail setting's to plain text. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hey Guys, > > Does anyone here know how to change Android Gmail client to send there > emails out using plaintext instead of html? > > I think one of my programs AGP isn't working correctly because the > gmail client is sending out emails in html. > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ?Want to send emails that can't be read by someone else > > Some people ask "Why encrypt email?" The reason is simple: privacy. As > it stands, getting access to an email message is very easy to do. > Whether it's because of an email server being hacked, the email being > intercepted, or even laws that allow governments to go through all > electronic messages sent. You have a right to your privacy, but it's > up to you to protect that right. > > * Encrypt with my pgp key which can be found here: > * https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event > -- For more info go here: http://www.gnupg.org/ for GNU Version > ?? or here http://www.symantec.com/business/theme.jsp?themeid=pgp > ?? for business implementation. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dave Germiquet > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 11:43:31 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:43:31 -0400 Subject: Duke Nukem Forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DF9EC63.6020909@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > While there I actually held > in my hands a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" for the PC, no joke! > It's currently available for $39.99 (bubblegum not included) at NCIX. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 12:34:39 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:34:39 -0400 Subject: Duke Nukem Forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No one with the slightest respect for women should be playing this game. Sorry, call me 'politically correct' all you want, but I have a wife and a young daughter, and as far as I'm concerned the people who promote this kind of image of women should be expunged from society. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Sadiq Saif wrote: > Here is the review from Ars Technica: > > http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/06/duke-nukem-forever-review-barely-playable-unfunny-and-rampantly-offensive.ars > > Not very encouraging. > On 15 Jun 2011 23:47, "Colin McGregor" wrote: > > This evening I attended a meeting (Toronto Free-Net Board meeting) > > which finished before 9:00 PM so I was able to stick my nose into one > > of the big box electronics shops downtown. While there I actually held > > in my hands a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" for the PC, no joke! > > > > For those who don't know the story here, "Duke Nukem Forever" has > > been coming real soon now for some 15 (yes, 15) years, details to be > > seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever . "Duke > > Nukem Forever" has become the poster child for vaporware (software > > promised but not delivered). > > > > I have fond memories of playing "Duke Nukem 3D" against my brother > > over 10 years ago, and if I were still running MS Windows I would have > > been very tempted to buy a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" just for the > > sake of nostalgia. Still I wonder, while I don't doubt there are some > > gamers who would buy the new game because they remember the old, I > > imagine that is a fairly modest market. So I will be interested in > > hearing how this game sells, as I assume most of the buyers will be > > viewing this as a totally new game... > > > > Oh, and in the words of the Duke (before shooting one of the aliens in > > the game) "Come get some, baby!". :-) . > > > > > > Colin McGregor > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Whether it's because of an email server being hacked< http://www.defendingthenet.com/Newsletters/HackingSMTPGatewaysCommandReference.htm>, the email being intercepted< http://www.wildid.com/default.asp?targetPage=http://www.wildid.com/email_interception.asp>, or even laws that allow governments to go through all electronic messages sent< http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/05/16/eurocops_want_sevenyear_retention/>. You have a right to your privacy, but it's up to you to protect that right. * Encrypt with my pgp key which can be found here: * https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event -- For more info go here: http://www.gnupg.org/ for GNU Version or here http://www.symantec.com/business/theme.jsp?themeid=pgp for business implementation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Germiquet * sent by my android device On Jun 16, 2011 6:44 AM, "Russell Reiter" wrote: > Try logging in, either from a pc or your phone with a web browser > client and change your gmail setting's to plain text. > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> Hey Guys, >> >> Does anyone here know how to change Android Gmail client to send there >> emails out using plaintext instead of html? >> >> I think one of my programs AGP isn't working correctly because the >> gmail client is sending out emails in html. >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Want to send emails that can't be read by someone else >> >> Some people ask "Why encrypt email?" The reason is simple: privacy. As >> it stands, getting access to an email message is very easy to do. >> Whether it's because of an email server being hacked, the email being >> intercepted, or even laws that allow governments to go through all >> electronic messages sent. You have a right to your privacy, but it's >> up to you to protect that right. >> >> * Encrypt with my pgp key which can be found here: >> * https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event >> -- For more info go here: http://www.gnupg.org/ for GNU Version >> or here http://www.symantec.com/business/theme.jsp?themeid=pgp >> for business implementation. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Dave Germiquet >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 13:47:17 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:47:17 -0400 Subject: USB causes kernel crashes... In-Reply-To: References: <20110610164814.GA13983@amber> <4DF250D1.10107@gmail.com> <20110610181204.GA14180@amber> <20110610215902.GA14818@amber> <20110616025211.GA8913@amber> Message-ID: <20110616134717.GB10424@amber> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 08:07:49PM -0700, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Are these USB-powered devices? 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 13:51:36 2011 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:51:36 -0400 Subject: Duke Nukem Forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Renata finds it funny as hell. :-) There are plenty of games with strong female characters these days to counter-balance. Off the top of my head: Portal, Bayonetta, the whole Metroid series, Alice... - Fabio On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 08:34, Thomas Milne wrote: > No one with the slightest respect for women should be playing this game. > Sorry, call me 'politically correct' all you want, but I have a wife and a > young daughter, and as far as I'm concerned the people who promote this kind > of image of women should be expunged from society. > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Sadiq Saif wrote: >> >> Here is the review from Ars Technica: >> >> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/06/duke-nukem-forever-review-barely-playable-unfunny-and-rampantly-offensive.ars >> >> Not very encouraging. >> >> On 15 Jun 2011 23:47, "Colin McGregor" wrote: >> > This evening I attended a meeting (Toronto Free-Net Board meeting) >> > which finished before 9:00 PM so I was able to stick my nose into one >> > of the big box electronics shops downtown. While there I actually held >> > in my hands a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" for the PC, no joke! >> > >> > For those who don't know the story here, "Duke Nukem Forever" has >> > been coming real soon now for some 15 (yes, 15) years, details to be >> > seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever . "Duke >> > Nukem Forever" has become the poster child for vaporware (software >> > promised but not delivered). >> > >> > I have fond memories of playing "Duke Nukem 3D" against my brother >> > over 10 years ago, and if I were still running MS Windows I would have >> > been very tempted to buy a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" just for the >> > sake of nostalgia. Still I wonder, while I don't doubt there are some >> > gamers who would buy the new game because they remember the old, I >> > imagine that is a fairly modest market. So I will be interested in >> > hearing how this game sells, as I assume most of the buyers will be >> > viewing this as a totally new game... >> > >> > Oh, and in the words of the Duke (before shooting one of the aliens in >> > the game) "Come get some, baby!". :-) . >> > >> > >> > Colin McGregor >> > -- >> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > Thomas Milne > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 13:56:40 2011 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:56:40 -0400 Subject: Duke Nukem Forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is a great video that was posted a few months back about True Female Characters[1] in video games. While worth watching. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Fabio FZero wrote: > Renata finds it funny as hell. :-) > > There are plenty of games with strong female characters these days to > counter-balance. Off the top of my head: Portal, Bayonetta, the whole > Metroid series, Alice... > > - Fabio > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 08:34, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> No one with the slightest respect for women should be playing this game. >> Sorry, call me 'politically correct' all you want, but I have a wife and a >> young daughter, and as far as I'm concerned the people who promote this kind >> of image of women should be expunged from society. >> >> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Sadiq Saif wrote: >>> >>> Here is the review from Ars Technica: >>> >>> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/06/duke-nukem-forever-review-barely-playable-unfunny-and-rampantly-offensive.ars >>> >>> Not very encouraging. >>> >>> On 15 Jun 2011 23:47, "Colin McGregor" wrote: >>> > This evening I attended a meeting (Toronto Free-Net Board meeting) >>> > which finished before 9:00 PM so I was able to stick my nose into one >>> > of the big box electronics shops downtown. While there I actually held >>> > in my hands a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" for the PC, no joke! >>> > >>> > For those who don't know the story here, "Duke Nukem Forever" has >>> > been coming real soon now for some 15 (yes, 15) years, details to be >>> > seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever . "Duke >>> > Nukem Forever" has become the poster child for vaporware (software >>> > promised but not delivered). >>> > >>> > I have fond memories of playing "Duke Nukem 3D" against my brother >>> > over 10 years ago, and if I were still running MS Windows I would have >>> > been very tempted to buy a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" just for the >>> > sake of nostalgia. Still I wonder, while I don't doubt there are some >>> > gamers who would buy the new game because they remember the old, I >>> > imagine that is a fairly modest market. So I will be interested in >>> > hearing how this game sells, as I assume most of the buyers will be >>> > viewing this as a totally new game... >>> > >>> > Oh, and in the words of the Duke (before shooting one of the aliens in >>> > the game) "Come get some, baby!". :-) . >>> > >>> > >>> > Colin McGregor >>> > -- >>> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> >> >> -- >> Thomas Milne >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Myles Braithwaite http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 13:57:28 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell Reiter) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:57:28 -0400 Subject: Changing android gmail to send out plain text instead of html code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Check in your default settings to see if UTF-8 is selected. If it is try, changing it to default text. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > I tried but it didn't work. I went to compose and changed it > there------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Want to send emails that can't be read by someone else > > Some people ask "Why encrypt email?" The reason is simple: privacy. As it > stands, getting access to an email message is very easy to do. Whether it's > because of an email server being > hacked, > the email being > intercepted, > or even laws that allow governments to go through all electronic messages > sent. > You have a right to your privacy, but it's up to you to protect that right. > > * Encrypt with my pgp key which can be found here: > * https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event > -- For more info go here: http://www.gnupg.org/ for GNU Version > ?? or here http://www.symantec.com/business/theme.jsp?themeid=pgp > ?? for business implementation. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dave Germiquet > > * sent by my android device > > On Jun 16, 2011 6:44 AM, "Russell Reiter" wrote: >> Try logging in, either from a pc or your phone with a web browser >> client and change your gmail setting's to plain text. >> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Dave Germiquet >> wrote: >>> Hey Guys, >>> >>> Does anyone here know how to change Android Gmail client to send there >>> emails out using plaintext instead of html? >>> >>> I think one of my programs AGP isn't working correctly because the >>> gmail client is sending out emails in html. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ?Want to send emails that can't be read by someone else >>> >>> Some people ask "Why encrypt email?" The reason is simple: privacy. As >>> it stands, getting access to an email message is very easy to do. >>> Whether it's because of an email server being hacked, the email being >>> intercepted, or even laws that allow governments to go through all >>> electronic messages sent. You have a right to your privacy, but it's >>> up to you to protect that right. >>> >>> * Encrypt with my pgp key which can be found here: >>> * https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event >>> -- For more info go here: http://www.gnupg.org/ for GNU Version >>> ?? or here http://www.symantec.com/business/theme.jsp?themeid=pgp >>> ?? for business implementation. >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Dave Germiquet >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 14:09:49 2011 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:09:49 -0400 Subject: Duke Nukem Forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's pretty good, but I still think that Chell (and GLaDOS, actually!) are two of the best female game characters ever, and they don't mention either even once. But yeah, Metroid: Other M pretty much sucks. :-/ On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 09:56, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > There is a great video that was posted a few months back about True > Female Characters[1] in video games. While worth watching. > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 15:23:55 2011 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:23:55 -0400 Subject: Duke Nukem Forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just to say that, hell, yes, I think it's utterly funny. If you want to fight prejudice, etc, work on your skills when girls join science/math school. That would be awesome. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 09:51, Fabio FZero wrote: > Renata finds it funny as hell. :-) > > There are plenty of games with strong female characters these days to > counter-balance. Off the top of my head: Portal, Bayonetta, the whole > Metroid series, Alice... > > - Fabio > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 08:34, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> No one with the slightest respect for women should be playing this game. >> Sorry, call me 'politically correct' all you want, but I have a wife and a >> young daughter, and as far as I'm concerned the people who promote this kind >> of image of women should be expunged from society. >> >> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Sadiq Saif wrote: >>> >>> Here is the review from Ars Technica: >>> >>> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/06/duke-nukem-forever-review-barely-playable-unfunny-and-rampantly-offensive.ars >>> >>> Not very encouraging. >>> >>> On 15 Jun 2011 23:47, "Colin McGregor" wrote: >>> > This evening I attended a meeting (Toronto Free-Net Board meeting) >>> > which finished before 9:00 PM so I was able to stick my nose into one >>> > of the big box electronics shops downtown. While there I actually held >>> > in my hands a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" for the PC, no joke! >>> > >>> > For those who don't know the story here, "Duke Nukem Forever" has >>> > been coming real soon now for some 15 (yes, 15) years, details to be >>> > seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever . "Duke >>> > Nukem Forever" has become the poster child for vaporware (software >>> > promised but not delivered). >>> > >>> > I have fond memories of playing "Duke Nukem 3D" against my brother >>> > over 10 years ago, and if I were still running MS Windows I would have >>> > been very tempted to buy a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" just for the >>> > sake of nostalgia. Still I wonder, while I don't doubt there are some >>> > gamers who would buy the new game because they remember the old, I >>> > imagine that is a fairly modest market. So I will be interested in >>> > hearing how this game sells, as I assume most of the buyers will be >>> > viewing this as a totally new game... >>> > >>> > Oh, and in the words of the Duke (before shooting one of the aliens in >>> > the game) "Come get some, baby!". :-) . >>> > >>> > >>> > Colin McGregor >>> > -- >>> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> >> >> -- >> Thomas Milne >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 15:47:08 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:47:08 -0400 Subject: Duke Nukem Forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, it's not about prejudice, it's about the fact that 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetimes, and the proven fact that almost every single woman involved in the sex trade, the kind of women portrayed as caricatures of 'whores' in this game, have been sexually assaulted as children. Knowing these facts, it's hard for me to laugh at exploiting women who have been abused and forced into addiction and prostitution. I'm sorry, normally I'm not quick to judge, but when it comes to this issue in particular I have no forgiveness. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Renata Rocha wrote: > Just to say that, hell, yes, I think it's utterly funny. If you want > to fight prejudice, etc, work on your skills when girls join > science/math school. That would be awesome. > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 09:51, Fabio FZero wrote: > > Renata finds it funny as hell. :-) > > > > There are plenty of games with strong female characters these days to > > counter-balance. Off the top of my head: Portal, Bayonetta, the whole > > Metroid series, Alice... > > > > - Fabio > > > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 08:34, Thomas Milne > > wrote: > >> No one with the slightest respect for women should be playing this game. > >> Sorry, call me 'politically correct' all you want, but I have a wife and > a > >> young daughter, and as far as I'm concerned the people who promote this > kind > >> of image of women should be expunged from society. > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Sadiq Saif > wrote: > >>> > >>> Here is the review from Ars Technica: > >>> > >>> > http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/06/duke-nukem-forever-review-barely-playable-unfunny-and-rampantly-offensive.ars > >>> > >>> Not very encouraging. > >>> > >>> On 15 Jun 2011 23:47, "Colin McGregor" wrote: > >>> > This evening I attended a meeting (Toronto Free-Net Board meeting) > >>> > which finished before 9:00 PM so I was able to stick my nose into one > >>> > of the big box electronics shops downtown. While there I actually > held > >>> > in my hands a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" for the PC, no joke! > >>> > > >>> > For those who don't know the story here, "Duke Nukem Forever" has > >>> > been coming real soon now for some 15 (yes, 15) years, details to be > >>> > seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever . "Duke > >>> > Nukem Forever" has become the poster child for vaporware (software > >>> > promised but not delivered). > >>> > > >>> > I have fond memories of playing "Duke Nukem 3D" against my brother > >>> > over 10 years ago, and if I were still running MS Windows I would > have > >>> > been very tempted to buy a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" just for the > >>> > sake of nostalgia. Still I wonder, while I don't doubt there are some > >>> > gamers who would buy the new game because they remember the old, I > >>> > imagine that is a fairly modest market. So I will be interested in > >>> > hearing how this game sells, as I assume most of the buyers will be > >>> > viewing this as a totally new game... > >>> > > >>> > Oh, and in the words of the Duke (before shooting one of the aliens > in > >>> > the game) "Come get some, baby!". :-) . > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Colin McGregor > >>> > -- > >>> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >>> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >>> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Thomas Milne > >> > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > -- > Renata Rocha > http://renata.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 16:11:16 2011 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:11:16 -0400 Subject: Duke Nukem Forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 1. 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetimes therefore 2. almost every single woman involved in the sex trade have been sexually assaulted The problem is number 1. When women decide to sell their bodies, THERE ARE MANY WHO ARE NOT FORCED, WHO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY WANT . You have to fight the root cause of #1. I've met a couple of ex-sex workers who did that because they liked sex, wanted money and at some point decided to leave. Sex workers need protection? Of course, but believing somebody becomes a sex worker "just because of childhood rape" is naive. And please define "sexual assault", as it looks like a very broad term. A weirdo masturbating in the subway is sexual assault? Bus groping? Or only rape? On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:47, Thomas Milne wrote: > Well, it's not about prejudice, it's about the fact that 1 in 4 women will > be sexually assaulted in their lifetimes, and the proven fact that almost > every single woman involved in the sex trade, the kind of women portrayed as > caricatures of 'whores' in this game, have been sexually assaulted as > children. Knowing these facts, it's hard for me to laugh at exploiting women > who have been abused and forced into addiction and prostitution. I'm sorry, > normally I'm not quick to judge, but when it comes to this issue in > particular I have no forgiveness. > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Renata Rocha wrote: >> >> Just to say that, hell, yes, I think it's utterly funny. If you want >> to fight prejudice, etc, work on your skills when girls join >> science/math school. That would be awesome. >> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 09:51, Fabio FZero wrote: >> > Renata finds it funny as hell. :-) >> > >> > There are plenty of games with strong female characters these days to >> > counter-balance. Off the top of my head: Portal, Bayonetta, the whole >> > Metroid series, Alice... >> > >> > - Fabio >> > >> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 08:34, Thomas Milne >> > wrote: >> >> No one with the slightest respect for women should be playing this >> >> game. >> >> Sorry, call me 'politically correct' all you want, but I have a wife >> >> and a >> >> young daughter, and as far as I'm concerned the people who promote this >> >> kind >> >> of image of women should be expunged from society. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Sadiq Saif >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Here is the review from Ars Technica: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/06/duke-nukem-forever-review-barely-playable-unfunny-and-rampantly-offensive.ars >> >>> >> >>> Not very encouraging. >> >>> >> >>> On 15 Jun 2011 23:47, "Colin McGregor" wrote: >> >>> > This evening I attended a meeting (Toronto Free-Net Board meeting) >> >>> > which finished before 9:00 PM so I was able to stick my nose into >> >>> > one >> >>> > of the big box electronics shops downtown. While there I actually >> >>> > held >> >>> > in my hands a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" for the PC, no joke! >> >>> > >> >>> > For those who don't know the story here, "Duke Nukem Forever" has >> >>> > been coming real soon now for some 15 (yes, 15) years, details to be >> >>> > seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever . "Duke >> >>> > Nukem Forever" has become the poster child for vaporware (software >> >>> > promised but not delivered). >> >>> > >> >>> > I have fond memories of playing "Duke Nukem 3D" against my brother >> >>> > over 10 years ago, and if I were still running MS Windows I would >> >>> > have >> >>> > been very tempted to buy a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" just for the >> >>> > sake of nostalgia. Still I wonder, while I don't doubt there are >> >>> > some >> >>> > gamers who would buy the new game because they remember the old, I >> >>> > imagine that is a fairly modest market. So I will be interested in >> >>> > hearing how this game sells, as I assume most of the buyers will be >> >>> > viewing this as a totally new game... >> >>> > >> >>> > Oh, and in the words of the Duke (before shooting one of the aliens >> >>> > in >> >>> > the game) "Come get some, baby!". :-) . >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Colin McGregor >> >>> > -- >> >>> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> >>> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> >>> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Thomas Milne >> >> >> > -- >> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Renata Rocha >> http://renata.org >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > Thomas Milne > -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 16:18:03 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:18:03 -0700 Subject: Duke Nukem Forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Haven't played it yet myself, but from what I've read a good portion of this "humour" is really not funny but rather twisted... On 2011-06-16 8:47 AM, "Thomas Milne" wrote: > Well, it's not about prejudice, it's about the fact that 1 in 4 women will > be sexually assaulted in their lifetimes, and the proven fact that almost > every single woman involved in the sex trade, the kind of women portrayed as > caricatures of 'whores' in this game, have been sexually assaulted as > children. Knowing these facts, it's hard for me to laugh at exploiting women > who have been abused and forced into addiction and prostitution. I'm sorry, > normally I'm not quick to judge, but when it comes to this issue in > particular I have no forgiveness. > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Renata Rocha wrote: > >> Just to say that, hell, yes, I think it's utterly funny. If you want >> to fight prejudice, etc, work on your skills when girls join >> science/math school. That would be awesome. >> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 09:51, Fabio FZero wrote: >> > Renata finds it funny as hell. :-) >> > >> > There are plenty of games with strong female characters these days to >> > counter-balance. Off the top of my head: Portal, Bayonetta, the whole >> > Metroid series, Alice... >> > >> > - Fabio >> > >> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 08:34, Thomas Milne >> > wrote: >> >> No one with the slightest respect for women should be playing this game. >> >> Sorry, call me 'politically correct' all you want, but I have a wife and >> a >> >> young daughter, and as far as I'm concerned the people who promote this >> kind >> >> of image of women should be expunged from society. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Sadiq Saif >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Here is the review from Ars Technica: >> >>> >> >>> >> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/06/duke-nukem-forever-review-barely-playable-unfunny-and-rampantly-offensive.ars >> >>> >> >>> Not very encouraging. >> >>> >> >>> On 15 Jun 2011 23:47, "Colin McGregor" wrote: >> >>> > This evening I attended a meeting (Toronto Free-Net Board meeting) >> >>> > which finished before 9:00 PM so I was able to stick my nose into one >> >>> > of the big box electronics shops downtown. While there I actually >> held >> >>> > in my hands a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" for the PC, no joke! >> >>> > >> >>> > For those who don't know the story here, "Duke Nukem Forever" has >> >>> > been coming real soon now for some 15 (yes, 15) years, details to be >> >>> > seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever . "Duke >> >>> > Nukem Forever" has become the poster child for vaporware (software >> >>> > promised but not delivered). >> >>> > >> >>> > I have fond memories of playing "Duke Nukem 3D" against my brother >> >>> > over 10 years ago, and if I were still running MS Windows I would >> have >> >>> > been very tempted to buy a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" just for the >> >>> > sake of nostalgia. Still I wonder, while I don't doubt there are some >> >>> > gamers who would buy the new game because they remember the old, I >> >>> > imagine that is a fairly modest market. So I will be interested in >> >>> > hearing how this game sells, as I assume most of the buyers will be >> >>> > viewing this as a totally new game... >> >>> > >> >>> > Oh, and in the words of the Duke (before shooting one of the aliens >> in >> >>> > the game) "Come get some, baby!". :-) . >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Colin McGregor >> >>> > -- >> >>> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> >>> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> >>> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Thomas Milne >> >> >> > -- >> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Renata Rocha >> http://renata.org >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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I'm >> sorry, >> normally I'm not quick to judge, but when it comes to this issue in >> particular I have no forgiveness. >> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Renata Rocha wrote: >> >>> Just to say that, hell, yes, I think it's utterly funny. If you want >>> to fight prejudice, etc, work on your skills when girls join >>> science/math school. That would be awesome. >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 09:51, Fabio FZero wrote: >>> > Renata finds it funny as hell. :-) >>> > >>> > There are plenty of games with strong female characters these days to >>> > counter-balance. Off the top of my head: Portal, Bayonetta, the whole >>> > Metroid series, Alice... >>> > >>> > - Fabio >>> > >>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 08:34, Thomas Milne >>> > wrote: >>> >> No one with the slightest respect for women should be playing this >>> >> game. >>> >> Sorry, call me 'politically correct' all you want, but I have a wife >>> >> and >>> a >>> >> young daughter, and as far as I'm concerned the people who promote >>> >> this >>> kind >>> >> of image of women should be expunged from society. >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Sadiq Saif >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Here is the review from Ars Technica: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/06/duke-nukem-forever-review-barely-playable-unfunny-and-rampantly-offensive.ars >>> >>> >>> >>> Not very encouraging. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 15 Jun 2011 23:47, "Colin McGregor" wrote: >>> >>> > This evening I attended a meeting (Toronto Free-Net Board meeting) >>> >>> > which finished before 9:00 PM so I was able to stick my nose into >>> >>> > one >>> >>> > of the big box electronics shops downtown. While there I actually >>> held >>> >>> > in my hands a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" for the PC, no joke! >>> >>> > >>> >>> > For those who don't know the story here, "Duke Nukem Forever" has >>> >>> > been coming real soon now for some 15 (yes, 15) years, details to >>> >>> > be >>> >>> > seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever . "Duke >>> >>> > Nukem Forever" has become the poster child for vaporware (software >>> >>> > promised but not delivered). >>> >>> > >>> >>> > I have fond memories of playing "Duke Nukem 3D" against my brother >>> >>> > over 10 years ago, and if I were still running MS Windows I would >>> have >>> >>> > been very tempted to buy a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" just for >>> >>> > the >>> >>> > sake of nostalgia. Still I wonder, while I don't doubt there are >>> >>> > some >>> >>> > gamers who would buy the new game because they remember the old, I >>> >>> > imagine that is a fairly modest market. So I will be interested in >>> >>> > hearing how this game sells, as I assume most of the buyers will be >>> >>> > viewing this as a totally new game... >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Oh, and in the words of the Duke (before shooting one of the aliens >>> in >>> >>> > the game) "Come get some, baby!". :-) . Slashdot had a short article, including a pointer to a very negative review at Ars: http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/06/14/1332226/Ars-Technica-Review-Slams-Duke-Nukem-Forever The Ars review opens with this: "In the first few moments of Duke Nukem Forever, your character pees in a urinal and then earns an achievement for reaching into a toilet and extracting a piece of human excrement." From which I can conclude that this isn't my type of game. Among the comments are links to a set of videos showing an initial play-through of the game - I was surprised at how watchable it was, the commentary is pretty amusing. Although you'll do better skipping through it rather than watching them entire as it's a LOT of footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6MjzgTZriw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5Yngipvz6M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q86vWgaLuwE -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 16:47:48 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:47:48 -0400 Subject: Duke Nukem Forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110616164748.GC7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:47:30PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > This evening I attended a meeting (Toronto Free-Net Board meeting) > which finished before 9:00 PM so I was able to stick my nose into one > of the big box electronics shops downtown. While there I actually held > in my hands a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" for the PC, no joke! > > For those who don't know the story here, "Duke Nukem Forever" has > been coming real soon now for some 15 (yes, 15) years, details to be > seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever . "Duke > Nukem Forever" has become the poster child for vaporware (software > promised but not delivered). > > I have fond memories of playing "Duke Nukem 3D" against my brother > over 10 years ago, and if I were still running MS Windows I would have > been very tempted to buy a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" just for the > sake of nostalgia. Still I wonder, while I don't doubt there are some > gamers who would buy the new game because they remember the old, I > imagine that is a fairly modest market. So I will be interested in > hearing how this game sells, as I assume most of the buyers will be > viewing this as a totally new game... > > Oh, and in the words of the Duke (before shooting one of the aliens in > the game) "Come get some, baby!". :-) . I thought it was 13 years. Long anyhow. The reviews so far are that the result was very much not worth waiting for. Of course most reviews are of the xbox version which is apparently rather unstable and broken in many ways that the PC and PS3 versions supposedly are not. Either way, it seems most people agree that is is a game glued together from the pieces found on the floor of the development room at the various companies that have worked on it over the years and is exactly the mess one would expect that to result in. Many people are now waiting for it to hit the bargain bin so that it might be worth $5 or $10 just for nostalgia, but not much more than that. Certainly not going to pay $60 for it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 17:08:06 2011 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:08:06 -0400 Subject: Looking for Speakers or Topics [for July and Aug.] Message-ID: Still looking for speakers for July and Aug.? On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > So we don't have any speakers for any of the upcoming meeting. Anyone > want to volunteer for a talk? Or has a talk suggestion? > > One thing that came up at beer last night was a talk on Bitcoin. > > -- > Myles Braithwaite > http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Myles Braithwaite http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 17:30:37 2011 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:30:37 -0400 Subject: Job lead at Teranet Message-ID: <20110616173037.GA11858@watson-wilson.ca> Greetings folks. Teranet, in Markham, is looking for a Senior Unix admin if anyone is on the market. Please contact Shakeel Rao . Description below. I was to interview there myself but have accepted another offer. Job Title: Senior UNIX Admin/Contractor Job Description: Provide UNIX subject matter expertise to medium/large projects/initiatives as they relate to the design, implementation and support of major infrastructure technology in a multi platform environment. Provide coordination, planning and support for all operational services and technical support for UNIX computer systems controlled by the Data Centre. Required Skills and Qualifications: Post secondary education in a computer related field or equivalent required Extensive and in-depth knowledge of computer environments Minimum 5-10 years hands-on experience with large scale UNIX and Windows Systems Administration Proficient in all flavors of UNIX including Solaris, AIX, Red Hat and Linux including IBM P5 Virtualization. In depth knowledge of Solaris 9, 10 including Sun Volume Manager, Veritas Volume Manager, Veritas Cluster Manager and Solaris Zones. Expertise in AIX 5.3, 6.1 and IBM PowerVM Virtualization, LPARs and VIOS setup. Demonstrated senior level proficiency in RedHat Linux on HP Proliant and IBM xseries hardware Scripting and programming abilities (Shell, Perl, Python) that maximize efficiency in daily tasks Extensive networking experience with TCP/IP, DHCP, DNS, LDAP as related to Unix Strong knowledge of Vmware Server Virtualizations products Virtual Centre 2.0 and ESX Server 3.0 Familiarity with Netapp Storage technology - ability to understand and implement SAN technology including Luns, HBA cards and drivers, multipathing, VERITAS DMP and Logical Volume Manager. A solid understanding of an operating system; understands paging and swapping, inter-process communications, devices and what device drivers do, filesystem concepts (inode, clustering, logical partitions), can use performance analysis to tune systems. A solid understanding of networking/distributed computing environment concepts; understands principles of routing, client/server programming, and the design of consistent network-wide filesystem layouts. Proficient problem-solving abilities Demonstrated leadership ability Ability to communicate technical issues to non-technical staff Ability to document system-related incidents or outages Demonstrated leadership ability 7/24 rotational on-call pager support for system support activities Extensive Work Experience: Written Communications--Ability to produce a variety of business documents that demonstrate command of language, clarity of thought and orderliness of presentation. Problem Solving--Knowledge of approaches, tools, techniques for recognizing, anticipating, and resolving organizational, operational or process problems. Oral Communications--Ability to express oneself and communicate with others verbally; recognizing that verbal communication is more than just language - it includes tone, style and structure. Managing Multiple Priorities--Ability to manage multiple concurrent objectives, projects, groups or activities. Effective judgment in prioritizing and time allocation. Interpersonal Relationships--Knowledge of approaches, tools and techniques for working with individuals and groups in a constructive and collaborative manner. Creativity--Knowledge of approaches, tools and techniques for promoting creative, original thinking and applying it to existing and emerging situations. Computer Operations--Knowledge of the data center operating environment and day-to-day operational requirements. Decision Making and Critical Thinking--Knowledge of tools and techniques for effective use of a broad range of factors, assumptions, frameworks and perspectives when solving problems. ATTRIBUTES: Accountability Teamwork & Partnering Building Trust Conceptual Thinking Impact & Influence Relationship Building Communication -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 17:32:37 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:32:37 -0400 Subject: Duke Nukem Forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Renata Rocha wrote: > 1. 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetimes > > therefore > > 2. almost every single woman involved in the sex trade have been > sexually assaulted > > That's not what I said at all. They may be related issues, but I never said one caused the other. > The problem is number 1. When women decide to sell their bodies, THERE > ARE MANY WHO ARE NOT FORCED, WHO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY WANT . You have > to fight the root cause of #1. I've met a couple of ex-sex workers who > did that because they liked sex, wanted money and at some point > decided to leave. Sex workers need protection? Of course, but > believing somebody becomes a sex worker "just because of childhood > rape" is naive. > > Well, no, it's borne out by hard data accumulated over many decades of research by people who have actually spent their lives counselling sex trade workers. The fact that there are anecdotal cases of voluntary prostitution does nothing to negate the cases of millions of women who are forced into prostitution by drugs, abuse, or economics. > And please define "sexual assault", as it looks like a very broad > term. A weirdo masturbating in the subway is sexual assault? Bus > groping? Or only rape? > > Well, if you defined it that broadly then it would be 100%. I don't know, would you be more comfortable with one fifth or one sixth? I suppose if we tweaked the definition to only include the ones that didn't survive, we might even get it down to an emotionally manageable number. > > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:47, Thomas Milne > wrote: > > Well, it's not about prejudice, it's about the fact that 1 in 4 women > will > > be sexually assaulted in their lifetimes, and the proven fact that almost > > every single woman involved in the sex trade, the kind of women portrayed > as > > caricatures of 'whores' in this game, have been sexually assaulted as > > children. Knowing these facts, it's hard for me to laugh at exploiting > women > > who have been abused and forced into addiction and prostitution. I'm > sorry, > > normally I'm not quick to judge, but when it comes to this issue in > > particular I have no forgiveness. > > > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Renata Rocha > wrote: > >> > >> Just to say that, hell, yes, I think it's utterly funny. If you want > >> to fight prejudice, etc, work on your skills when girls join > >> science/math school. That would be awesome. > >> > >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 09:51, Fabio FZero > wrote: > >> > Renata finds it funny as hell. :-) > >> > > >> > There are plenty of games with strong female characters these days to > >> > counter-balance. Off the top of my head: Portal, Bayonetta, the whole > >> > Metroid series, Alice... > >> > > >> > - Fabio > >> > > >> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 08:34, Thomas Milne > >> > wrote: > >> >> No one with the slightest respect for women should be playing this > >> >> game. > >> >> Sorry, call me 'politically correct' all you want, but I have a wife > >> >> and a > >> >> young daughter, and as far as I'm concerned the people who promote > this > >> >> kind > >> >> of image of women should be expunged from society. > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Sadiq Saif > >> >> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Here is the review from Ars Technica: > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/06/duke-nukem-forever-review-barely-playable-unfunny-and-rampantly-offensive.ars > >> >>> > >> >>> Not very encouraging. > >> >>> > >> >>> On 15 Jun 2011 23:47, "Colin McGregor" > wrote: > >> >>> > This evening I attended a meeting (Toronto Free-Net Board meeting) > >> >>> > which finished before 9:00 PM so I was able to stick my nose into > >> >>> > one > >> >>> > of the big box electronics shops downtown. While there I actually > >> >>> > held > >> >>> > in my hands a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" for the PC, no joke! > >> >>> > > >> >>> > For those who don't know the story here, "Duke Nukem Forever" has > >> >>> > been coming real soon now for some 15 (yes, 15) years, details to > be > >> >>> > seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever . > "Duke > >> >>> > Nukem Forever" has become the poster child for vaporware (software > >> >>> > promised but not delivered). > >> >>> > > >> >>> > I have fond memories of playing "Duke Nukem 3D" against my brother > >> >>> > over 10 years ago, and if I were still running MS Windows I would > >> >>> > have > >> >>> > been very tempted to buy a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" just for > the > >> >>> > sake of nostalgia. Still I wonder, while I don't doubt there are > >> >>> > some > >> >>> > gamers who would buy the new game because they remember the old, I > >> >>> > imagine that is a fairly modest market. So I will be interested in > >> >>> > hearing how this game sells, as I assume most of the buyers will > be > >> >>> > viewing this as a totally new game... > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Oh, and in the words of the Duke (before shooting one of the > aliens > >> >>> > in > >> >>> > the game) "Come get some, baby!". :-) . > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Colin McGregor > >> >>> > -- > >> >>> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >> >>> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> >>> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Thomas Milne > >> >> > >> > -- > >> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Renata Rocha > >> http://renata.org > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 17:32:38 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:32:38 -0400 Subject: Job lead at Teranet In-Reply-To: <20110616173037.GA11858-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20110616173037.GA11858@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <4DFA3E36.5040602@alteeve.com> I'm very much not qualified, but I have to wonder what compensation package they are offering. I do hope it's quite generous. :) On 06/16/2011 01:30 PM, Neil Watson wrote: > Greetings folks. > > Teranet, in Markham, is looking for a Senior Unix admin if anyone is on > the market. Please contact Shakeel Rao . > Description below. I was to interview there myself but have accepted > another offer. > > Job Title: Senior UNIX Admin/Contractor > > Job Description: > Provide UNIX subject matter expertise to medium/large > projects/initiatives as they relate to the design, implementation and > support of major infrastructure technology in a multi platform > environment. > > Provide coordination, planning and support for all operational services > and technical support for UNIX computer systems controlled by the Data > Centre. > > Required Skills and Qualifications: > Post secondary education in a computer related field or equivalent > required > > Extensive and in-depth knowledge of computer environments > > Minimum 5-10 years hands-on experience with large scale UNIX and Windows > Systems Administration > > Proficient in all flavors of UNIX including Solaris, AIX, Red Hat and > Linux including IBM P5 Virtualization. > > In depth knowledge of Solaris 9, 10 including Sun Volume Manager, > Veritas Volume Manager, Veritas Cluster Manager and Solaris Zones. > > Expertise in AIX 5.3, 6.1 and IBM PowerVM Virtualization, LPARs and VIOS > setup. > > Demonstrated senior level proficiency in RedHat Linux on HP Proliant and > IBM xseries hardware > > Scripting and programming abilities (Shell, Perl, Python) that maximize > efficiency in daily tasks > > Extensive networking experience with TCP/IP, DHCP, DNS, LDAP as related > to Unix > > Strong knowledge of Vmware Server Virtualizations products Virtual > Centre 2.0 and ESX Server 3.0 > > Familiarity with Netapp Storage technology - ability to understand and > implement SAN technology including Luns, HBA cards and drivers, > multipathing, VERITAS DMP and Logical Volume Manager. > > A solid understanding of an operating system; understands paging and > swapping, inter-process communications, devices and what device drivers > do, filesystem concepts (inode, clustering, logical partitions), can use > performance analysis to tune systems. > A solid understanding of networking/distributed computing environment > concepts; understands principles of routing, client/server programming, > and the design of consistent network-wide filesystem layouts. Proficient > problem-solving abilities > > Demonstrated leadership ability > > Ability to communicate technical issues to non-technical staff > > Ability to document system-related incidents or outages > > Demonstrated leadership ability > > 7/24 rotational on-call pager support for system support activities > > Extensive Work Experience: Written Communications--Ability to produce a > variety of business > documents that demonstrate command of language, clarity of thought and > orderliness of presentation. > Problem Solving--Knowledge of approaches, tools, techniques for > recognizing, anticipating, and resolving organizational, operational or > process problems. > Oral Communications--Ability to express oneself and communicate with > others verbally; recognizing that verbal communication is more than just > language - it includes tone, style and structure. > Managing Multiple Priorities--Ability to manage multiple concurrent > objectives, projects, groups or activities. Effective judgment in > prioritizing and time allocation. > Interpersonal Relationships--Knowledge of approaches, tools and > techniques for working with individuals and groups in a constructive and > collaborative manner. > Creativity--Knowledge of approaches, tools and techniques for promoting > creative, original thinking and applying it to existing and emerging > situations. > Computer Operations--Knowledge of the data center operating environment > and day-to-day operational requirements. > Decision Making and Critical Thinking--Knowledge of tools and techniques > for effective use of a broad range of factors, assumptions, frameworks > and perspectives when solving problems. > > ATTRIBUTES: Accountability Teamwork & Partnering Building Trust > Conceptual Thinking Impact & Influence Relationship Building Communication > -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Freenode handle: digimer Papers and Projects: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org "I feel confined, only free to expand myself within boundaries." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 17:34:47 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:34:47 -0400 Subject: Job lead at Teranet In-Reply-To: <4DFA3E36.5040602-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110616173037.GA11858@watson-wilson.ca> <4DFA3E36.5040602@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20110616173447.GD7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 01:32:38PM -0400, Digimer wrote: > I'm very much not qualified, but I have to wonder what compensation > package they are offering. I do hope it's quite generous. :) No kidding. I don't think I have more than half the skills listed there. There are even a few things there I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole, but that's my personal opinion on some things. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 17:35:27 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:35:27 -0400 Subject: Job lead at Teranet In-Reply-To: <20110616173447.GD7146-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110616173037.GA11858@watson-wilson.ca> <4DFA3E36.5040602@alteeve.com> <20110616173447.GD7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DFA3EDF.3040508@alteeve.com> On 06/16/2011 01:34 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 01:32:38PM -0400, Digimer wrote: >> I'm very much not qualified, but I have to wonder what compensation >> package they are offering. I do hope it's quite generous. :) > > No kidding. I don't think I have more than half the skills listed there. > There are even a few things there I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole, > but that's my personal opinion on some things. > Well, if a TLUG'er has the skills, it'd probably be a great job. :) -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Freenode handle: digimer Papers and Projects: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org "I feel confined, only free to expand myself within boundaries." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 17:36:05 2011 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:36:05 -0400 Subject: Job lead at Teranet In-Reply-To: <4DFA3E36.5040602-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110616173037.GA11858@watson-wilson.ca> <4DFA3E36.5040602@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20110616173605.GA11965@watson-wilson.ca> I never worry too much about what is listed. They always overshoot. If I meet half I go for it. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 17:38:13 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:38:13 -0400 Subject: Job lead at Teranet In-Reply-To: <20110616173605.GA11965-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20110616173037.GA11858@watson-wilson.ca> <4DFA3E36.5040602@alteeve.com> <20110616173605.GA11965@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <4DFA3F85.20905@alteeve.com> On 06/16/2011 01:36 PM, Neil Watson wrote: > I never worry too much about what is listed. They always overshoot. If > I meet half I go for it. I was thinking that might be a part of it. That said, I find it risky because, I would gather, people who might be perfect for the job and who don't like to exaggerate their skills would not bother to apply. It almost seems like a filter to remove honest applicants. :P -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Freenode handle: digimer Papers and Projects: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org "I feel confined, only free to expand myself within boundaries." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hanoglu_b-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 17:42:02 2011 From: hanoglu_b-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Burhan Hanoglu) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Job lead at Teranet In-Reply-To: <4DFA3F85.20905-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4DFA3F85.20905@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <234237.6777.qm@web113804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 6/16/11, Digimer wrote: > ...people who might be > perfect for the job and who don't like to exaggerate their > skills would not bother to apply. Totally agree... Burhan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 17:43:25 2011 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:43:25 -0400 Subject: Job lead at Teranet In-Reply-To: <4DFA3F85.20905-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110616173037.GA11858@watson-wilson.ca> <4DFA3E36.5040602@alteeve.com> <20110616173605.GA11965@watson-wilson.ca> <4DFA3F85.20905@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20110616174325.GA12273@watson-wilson.ca> The whole process of manager, HR and candidate communication is deeply flawed in my opinion. The manager knows what is needed and understands the terms and concepts. HR does not have the same understanding and thus cannot effectively select for good candidates. As a full time seeking candidate this is especially frustrating. As a contractor one can often bypass HR. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 17:43:26 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:43:26 -0400 Subject: Job lead at Teranet In-Reply-To: <4DFA3EDF.3040508-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110616173037.GA11858@watson-wilson.ca> <4DFA3E36.5040602@alteeve.com> <20110616173447.GD7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DFA3EDF.3040508@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20110616174326.GE7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 01:35:27PM -0400, Digimer wrote: > Well, if a TLUG'er has the skills, it'd probably be a great job. :) Unless it is a 24/7 with pager on call job, but I didn't see that mentioned. :) At least it has the right title of senior admin. That is certainly a senior admin job. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 17:44:03 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:44:03 +0000 Subject: Job lead at Teranet In-Reply-To: <4DFA3F85.20905-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110616173037.GA11858@watson-wilson.ca> <4DFA3E36.5040602@alteeve.com> <20110616173605.GA11965@watson-wilson.ca> <4DFA3F85.20905@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Digimer wrote: > On 06/16/2011 01:36 PM, Neil Watson wrote: >> >> I never worry too much about what is listed. They always overshoot. If >> I meet half I go for it. > > I was thinking that might be a part of it. That said, I find it risky > because, I would gather, people who might be perfect for the job and who > don't like to exaggerate their skills would not bother to apply. It almost > seems like a filter to remove honest applicants. :P It makes me wonder how political the position is... If you've got to start by jumping through hoops on convincing the hiring managers that you qualify, contrary to your actual qualifications, and throw in the factor that they were some combination of ignorant and dishonest about what qualifications are actually needed, that doesn't seem like a notably auspicious start. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 17:46:06 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:46:06 -0400 Subject: Job lead at Teranet In-Reply-To: <4DFA3F85.20905-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110616173037.GA11858@watson-wilson.ca> <4DFA3E36.5040602@alteeve.com> <20110616173605.GA11965@watson-wilson.ca> <4DFA3F85.20905@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20110616174606.GF7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 01:38:13PM -0400, Digimer wrote: > I was thinking that might be a part of it. That said, I find it > risky because, I would gather, people who might be perfect for the > job and who don't like to exaggerate their skills would not bother > to apply. It almost seems like a filter to remove honest applicants. > :P Could be. I am lucky I haven't applied to a job since co-op at university. Since graduating jobs have asked me if I am interested. Given how lousy I was at applying for jobs I find this a much better arrangement. :D -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 17:51:15 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:51:15 -0400 Subject: Job lead at Teranet In-Reply-To: References: <20110616173037.GA11858@watson-wilson.ca> <4DFA3E36.5040602@alteeve.com> <20110616173605.GA11965@watson-wilson.ca> <4DFA3F85.20905@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20110616175115.GG7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 05:44:03PM +0000, Christopher Browne wrote: > It makes me wonder how political the position is... > > If you've got to start by jumping through hoops on convincing the > hiring managers that you qualify, contrary to your actual > qualifications, and throw in the factor that they were some > combination of ignorant and dishonest about what qualifications are > actually needed, that doesn't seem like a notably auspicious start. I actually got the impression that it may just be a shop with a lot of mixed old stuff to maintain. If you are used to unix systems, the variety shouldn't really be that bad to deal with. The potential csh versus ksh versus bash is a bit annoying, as is the BSD versus SysV style of some commands. But for the most part LVM is LVM and virtualization is virtualization. The p5 systems could be a bit tricky for someone not experienced in ibm power systems, although an HMC helps (but isn't required). I don't think I read all of it, but I didn't spot any database admin keywords, so at least that's good. Those add a whole other level of complexity to things. Of course I could have just missed them. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 18:06:22 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Job lead at Teranet In-Reply-To: References: <20110616173037.GA11858@watson-wilson.ca> <4DFA3E36.5040602@alteeve.com> <20110616173605.GA11965@watson-wilson.ca> <4DFA3F85.20905@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <268385.13554.qm@web113418.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >>> I never worry too much about what is listed. They always overshoot. If >>> I meet half I go for it. >> >> I was thinking that might be a part of it. That said, I find it risky >> because, I would gather, people who might be perfect for the job and who >> don't like to exaggerate their skills would not bother to apply. It almost >> seems like a filter to remove honest applicants. :P > >It makes me wonder how political the position is... I suspect this is not "open invitation".? They probability have someone in mind already. William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 19:49:09 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:49:09 -0400 Subject: Job lead at Teranet In-Reply-To: <4DFA3E36.5040602-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110616173037.GA11858@watson-wilson.ca> <4DFA3E36.5040602@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4DFA5E35.5080203@rogers.com> Yeah, that Windows experience is hard to come by. Is anyone still using it? ;-) Digimer wrote: > I'm very much not qualified, but I have to wonder what compensation > package they are offering. I do hope it's quite generous. :) > > On 06/16/2011 01:30 PM, Neil Watson wrote: >> Greetings folks. >> >> Teranet, in Markham, is looking for a Senior Unix admin if anyone is on >> the market. Please contact Shakeel Rao . >> Description below. I was to interview there myself but have accepted >> another offer. >> >> Job Title: Senior UNIX Admin/Contractor >> >> Job Description: >> Provide UNIX subject matter expertise to medium/large >> projects/initiatives as they relate to the design, implementation and >> support of major infrastructure technology in a multi platform >> environment. >> >> Provide coordination, planning and support for all operational services >> and technical support for UNIX computer systems controlled by the Data >> Centre. >> >> Required Skills and Qualifications: >> Post secondary education in a computer related field or equivalent >> required >> >> Extensive and in-depth knowledge of computer environments >> >> Minimum 5-10 years hands-on experience with large scale UNIX and Windows >> Systems Administration >> >> Proficient in all flavors of UNIX including Solaris, AIX, Red Hat and >> Linux including IBM P5 Virtualization. >> >> In depth knowledge of Solaris 9, 10 including Sun Volume Manager, >> Veritas Volume Manager, Veritas Cluster Manager and Solaris Zones. >> >> Expertise in AIX 5.3, 6.1 and IBM PowerVM Virtualization, LPARs and VIOS >> setup. >> >> Demonstrated senior level proficiency in RedHat Linux on HP Proliant and >> IBM xseries hardware >> >> Scripting and programming abilities (Shell, Perl, Python) that maximize >> efficiency in daily tasks >> >> Extensive networking experience with TCP/IP, DHCP, DNS, LDAP as related >> to Unix >> >> Strong knowledge of Vmware Server Virtualizations products Virtual >> Centre 2.0 and ESX Server 3.0 >> >> Familiarity with Netapp Storage technology - ability to understand and >> implement SAN technology including Luns, HBA cards and drivers, >> multipathing, VERITAS DMP and Logical Volume Manager. >> >> A solid understanding of an operating system; understands paging and >> swapping, inter-process communications, devices and what device drivers >> do, filesystem concepts (inode, clustering, logical partitions), can use >> performance analysis to tune systems. >> A solid understanding of networking/distributed computing environment >> concepts; understands principles of routing, client/server programming, >> and the design of consistent network-wide filesystem layouts. Proficient >> problem-solving abilities >> >> Demonstrated leadership ability >> >> Ability to communicate technical issues to non-technical staff >> >> Ability to document system-related incidents or outages >> >> Demonstrated leadership ability >> >> 7/24 rotational on-call pager support for system support activities >> >> Extensive Work Experience: Written Communications--Ability to produce a >> variety of business >> documents that demonstrate command of language, clarity of thought and >> orderliness of presentation. >> Problem Solving--Knowledge of approaches, tools, techniques for >> recognizing, anticipating, and resolving organizational, operational or >> process problems. >> Oral Communications--Ability to express oneself and communicate with >> others verbally; recognizing that verbal communication is more than just >> language - it includes tone, style and structure. >> Managing Multiple Priorities--Ability to manage multiple concurrent >> objectives, projects, groups or activities. Effective judgment in >> prioritizing and time allocation. >> Interpersonal Relationships--Knowledge of approaches, tools and >> techniques for working with individuals and groups in a constructive and >> collaborative manner. >> Creativity--Knowledge of approaches, tools and techniques for promoting >> creative, original thinking and applying it to existing and emerging >> situations. >> Computer Operations--Knowledge of the data center operating environment >> and day-to-day operational requirements. >> Decision Making and Critical Thinking--Knowledge of tools and techniques >> for effective use of a broad range of factors, assumptions, frameworks >> and perspectives when solving problems. >> >> ATTRIBUTES: Accountability Teamwork & Partnering Building Trust >> Conceptual Thinking Impact & Influence Relationship Building >> Communication >> > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 19:52:29 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:52:29 -0400 Subject: Job lead at Teranet In-Reply-To: <20110616173605.GA11965-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20110616173037.GA11858@watson-wilson.ca> <4DFA3E36.5040602@alteeve.com> <20110616173605.GA11965@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <4DFA5EFD.90607@rogers.com> Neil Watson wrote: > I never worry too much about what is listed. They always overshoot. If > I meet half I go for it. > The problem is getting past HR types, who think it's all required. The hiring manager is more likely to be able to recognize suitable experience. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From timhildred-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 16 23:00:26 2011 From: timhildred-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Timothy Hildred) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:00:26 +1000 Subject: Duke Nukem Forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A dude wanking at you on the bus is definitely sexual assault. On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Thomas Milne wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Renata Rocha wrote: > >> 1. 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetimes >> >> therefore >> >> 2. almost every single woman involved in the sex trade have been >> sexually assaulted >> >> > That's not what I said at all. They may be related issues, but I never said > one caused the other. > > >> The problem is number 1. When women decide to sell their bodies, THERE >> ARE MANY WHO ARE NOT FORCED, WHO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY WANT . You have >> to fight the root cause of #1. I've met a couple of ex-sex workers who >> did that because they liked sex, wanted money and at some point >> decided to leave. Sex workers need protection? Of course, but >> believing somebody becomes a sex worker "just because of childhood >> rape" is naive. >> >> > Well, no, it's borne out by hard data accumulated over many decades of > research by people who have actually spent their lives counselling sex trade > workers. The fact that there are anecdotal cases of voluntary prostitution > does nothing to negate the cases of millions of women who are forced into > prostitution by drugs, abuse, or economics. > > >> And please define "sexual assault", as it looks like a very broad >> term. A weirdo masturbating in the subway is sexual assault? Bus >> groping? Or only rape? >> >> > Well, if you defined it that broadly then it would be 100%. I don't know, > would you be more comfortable with one fifth or one sixth? I suppose if we > tweaked the definition to only include the ones that didn't survive, we > might even get it down to an emotionally manageable number. > > >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:47, Thomas Milne >> wrote: >> > Well, it's not about prejudice, it's about the fact that 1 in 4 women >> will >> > be sexually assaulted in their lifetimes, and the proven fact that >> almost >> > every single woman involved in the sex trade, the kind of women >> portrayed as >> > caricatures of 'whores' in this game, have been sexually assaulted as >> > children. Knowing these facts, it's hard for me to laugh at exploiting >> women >> > who have been abused and forced into addiction and prostitution. I'm >> sorry, >> > normally I'm not quick to judge, but when it comes to this issue in >> > particular I have no forgiveness. >> > >> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Renata Rocha >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Just to say that, hell, yes, I think it's utterly funny. If you want >> >> to fight prejudice, etc, work on your skills when girls join >> >> science/math school. That would be awesome. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 09:51, Fabio FZero >> wrote: >> >> > Renata finds it funny as hell. :-) >> >> > >> >> > There are plenty of games with strong female characters these days to >> >> > counter-balance. Off the top of my head: Portal, Bayonetta, the whole >> >> > Metroid series, Alice... >> >> > >> >> > - Fabio >> >> > >> >> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 08:34, Thomas Milne >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> No one with the slightest respect for women should be playing this >> >> >> game. >> >> >> Sorry, call me 'politically correct' all you want, but I have a wife >> >> >> and a >> >> >> young daughter, and as far as I'm concerned the people who promote >> this >> >> >> kind >> >> >> of image of women should be expunged from society. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Sadiq Saif > > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Here is the review from Ars Technica: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/06/duke-nukem-forever-review-barely-playable-unfunny-and-rampantly-offensive.ars >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Not very encouraging. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On 15 Jun 2011 23:47, "Colin McGregor" >> wrote: >> >> >>> > This evening I attended a meeting (Toronto Free-Net Board >> meeting) >> >> >>> > which finished before 9:00 PM so I was able to stick my nose into >> >> >>> > one >> >> >>> > of the big box electronics shops downtown. While there I actually >> >> >>> > held >> >> >>> > in my hands a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" for the PC, no joke! >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > For those who don't know the story here, "Duke Nukem Forever" has >> >> >>> > been coming real soon now for some 15 (yes, 15) years, details to >> be >> >> >>> > seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever . >> "Duke >> >> >>> > Nukem Forever" has become the poster child for vaporware >> (software >> >> >>> > promised but not delivered). >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > I have fond memories of playing "Duke Nukem 3D" against my >> brother >> >> >>> > over 10 years ago, and if I were still running MS Windows I would >> >> >>> > have >> >> >>> > been very tempted to buy a copy of "Duke Nukem Forever" just for >> the >> >> >>> > sake of nostalgia. Still I wonder, while I don't doubt there are >> >> >>> > some >> >> >>> > gamers who would buy the new game because they remember the old, >> I >> >> >>> > imagine that is a fairly modest market. So I will be interested >> in >> >> >>> > hearing how this game sells, as I assume most of the buyers will >> be >> >> >>> > viewing this as a totally new game... >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > Oh, and in the words of the Duke (before shooting one of the >> aliens >> >> >>> > in >> >> >>> > the game) "Come get some, baby!". :-) . >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > Colin McGregor >> >> >>> > -- >> >> >>> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> >> >>> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> >> >>> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Thomas Milne >> >> >> >> >> > -- >> >> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: USB causes kernel crashes... In-Reply-To: <20110610215902.GA14818@amber> References: <20110610164814.GA13983@amber> <4DF250D1.10107@gmail.com> <20110610181204.GA14180@amber> <20110610215902.GA14818@amber> Message-ID: | From: Peter King | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1707388 Thanks for this. It may or may not be a clue for understanding my daughter's netbook's misbehaviour. While at a conference, her VoIP stopped working. When she plugs in her USB headset, the kernel panics. This was not the case in the past. Her system runs Ubuntu 10.04 with kernel 2.6.32-32-generic (I think). I don't yet know if it behaves with earlier kernels. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 17 13:34:25 2011 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:34:25 -0400 Subject: Hello World for Writing Linux Device Drivers? Message-ID: Hi all, Before I start searching (and a trip to stackoverflow), would anyone be able to recommend a "Hello, World!" style introduction to writing linux device drivers? I just need to create an entry under /dev and have it return a string when the "device" is read from. I'm also looking for a basic introduction to kernel development. TIA, -- ? Scott Elcomb ? @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca ? Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems ? http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ ? Clerk of the Pirate Party of Canada ? http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 17 13:40:04 2011 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Hello World for Writing Linux Device Drivers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Jun 2011, Scott Elcomb wrote: > Hi all, > > Before I start searching (and a trip to stackoverflow), would anyone > be able to recommend a "Hello, World!" style introduction to writing > linux device drivers? I just need to create an entry under /dev and > have it return a string when the "device" is read from. > > I'm also looking for a basic introduction to kernel development. at the risk of sounding self-serving, i have an online course in beginners' linux kernel programming, for which the first several lessons are free and should give you what you need. http://crashcourse.ca/introduction-linux-kernel-programming/introduction-linux-kernel-programming if you work through those first lessons and something doesn't appear to work, let me know and i'll fix it. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 17 13:42:29 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:42:29 -0400 Subject: Hello World for Writing Linux Device Drivers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DFB59C5.6000009@utoronto.ca> On 06/17/2011 09:34 AM, Scott Elcomb wrote: > Hi all, > > Before I start searching (and a trip to stackoverflow), would anyone > be able to recommend a "Hello, World!" style introduction to writing > linux device drivers? I just need to create an entry under /dev and > have it return a string when the "device" is read from. > > I'm also looking for a basic introduction to kernel development. One of our own has written a course, the basics of which should get you going: http://crashcourse.ca/introduction-linux-kernel-programming/introduction-linux-kernel-programming Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 17 13:44:31 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:44:31 -0400 Subject: Hello World for Writing Linux Device Drivers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DFB5A3F.8090600@utoronto.ca> On 06/17/2011 09:40 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > at the risk of sounding self-serving, i have an online course in > beginners' linux kernel programming, for which the first several > lessons are free and should give you what you need. > > http://crashcourse.ca/introduction-linux-kernel-programming/introduction-linux-kernel-programming > > if you work through those first lessons and something doesn't appear > to work, let me know and i'll fix it. You beat me too it by mere seconds.. I've been meaning to do the free part to see if it is worth me continuning further with it. How has the response been since you moved it off the wiki? Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 17 13:47:22 2011 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Hello World for Writing Linux Device Drivers? In-Reply-To: <4DFB5A3F.8090600-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DFB5A3F.8090600@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Jun 2011, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On 06/17/2011 09:40 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > at the risk of sounding self-serving, i have an online course in > > beginners' linux kernel programming, for which the first several > > lessons are free and should give you what you need. > > > > http://crashcourse.ca/introduction-linux-kernel-programming/introduction-linux-kernel-programming > > > > if you work through those first lessons and something doesn't appear > > to work, let me know and i'll fix it. > > You beat me too it by mere seconds.. > > I've been meaning to do the free part to see if it is worth me > continuning further with it. How has the response been since you > moved it off the wiki? quite good, although i definitely need to add a bit more content, as i promised that i would add at least a few more lessons. and some of what's there should be updated. but still, the first few free lessons should get someone to the point where they can do their first "hello, world" module. rday p.s. if you're at linuxcon this august in vancouver, i'm giving a 2-hr tutorial for beginning kernel programmers. -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 17 14:04:20 2011 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:04:20 -0400 Subject: Hello World for Writing Linux Device Drivers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > ?at the risk of sounding self-serving, i have an online course in > beginners' linux kernel programming, for which the first several > lessons are free and should give you what you need. > > http://crashcourse.ca/introduction-linux-kernel-programming/introduction-linux-kernel-programming > > if you work through those first lessons and something doesn't appear > to work, let me know and i'll fix it. Between your course and the Linux Device Drivers book* I just came across, there should be plenty enough to get me going. Much awesomeness! Thanks! * 3rd Ed. -- ? Scott Elcomb ? @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca ? Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems ? http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ ? Clerk of the Pirate Party of Canada ? http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jun 19 15:57:20 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:57:20 -0400 Subject: USB causes kernel crashes... In-Reply-To: <20110616025211.GA8913@amber> References: <20110610164814.GA13983@amber> <4DF250D1.10107@gmail.com> <20110610181204.GA14180@amber> <20110610215902.GA14818@amber> <20110616025211.GA8913@amber> Message-ID: <20110619155720.GB25661@amber> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:52:11PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 05:59:02PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > > Upgraded to udev 1.71, which seems to run with 2.6.39-r1 with no problems so far. > Since the preceding configurations crashed either on startup or as soon as any USB > device was plugged in, it seems probable that, whatever the bug, it's been cured by > the latest iterations of these pieces of software. Had my first crash with 2.6.39-r1 and udev 1.71, triggered by plugging in my HTC Dream to recharge. The system would not boot (kernel panic) with the USB external drives attached, but boots fine with them unattached. Crashes again if I try to simply power on the external drives, but if I let them power up all the way and then attach them, they seem to work (one crash in five tests). Once attached properly, they seem to run fine. So the bug is *not* cured, or not entirely cured, with this configuration of software. << long drawn-out sigh >> It reminds me of the days of using Another OS, when having the whole computer randomly stop working was just one of the hazards of computing. I've come to think of any reasonably-designed OS as being essentially crash-proof. Indeed, it's a bit of a surprise to realize this is not the typical user experience... -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jun 19 22:09:55 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 18:09:55 -0400 Subject: A Open Source Software project that lets you map a computer network In-Reply-To: References: <20110607223103.GA2982@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: Hi Guys, I ended up using yEd. On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: > I've been using?http://www.lucidchart.com/ which runs just fine in Chromium > and in Firefox. ?The downside is that you can't download an editable version > using the Free version. ?I haven't bothered to upgrade to the paid version > as I just work on my diagrams "in the cloud" and download .png files to host > on our wiki. > -jason > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Christopher Browne > wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:31 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman >> wrote: >> > On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 05:59:40PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> >> >> >>I was wondering if anyone knows of a good open source product (or if any >> >> is >> >>available) that I can use to generate a Diagram of a computer network. >> >> >> >>(Computers,routers,switches,network boxes) >> > >> > I use dia[1] for all my non-scripted diagramming needs. ?For generated >> > diagrams I use graphviz[2]. >> > >> > [1] http://live.gnome.org/Dia >> > [2] http://www.graphviz.org/ >> >> I mirror that list, though I often use TCM for "structural modelling" >> ? http://wwwhome.cs.utwente.nl/~tcm/ >> >> It's not nearly as "pretty" as Visio, but when designing stuff, less >> is often more. >> >> I'll observe that the MacOS product, OmniGraffle, uses GraphViz as its >> rendering tool. ?I think there's room for a tool that helps generate >> GraphViz files, graphically, but then uses the very-smart capabilities >> of GraphViz to arrange the objects on the page. >> >> The two things Dia has as serious deficiencies, doubtless compared to >> Visio, are: >> a) Inability to import from dynamic things (e.g. - like reading in SQL >> schemas to generate E/R diagrams, and such), and >> b) Absence of automatic layout. >> >> The "OmniGraffle model" of using GraphViz to manage layout could be an >> answer to that. >> -- >> When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the >> question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ?Want to send emails that can't be read by someone else Some people ask "Why encrypt email?" The reason is simple: privacy. As it stands, getting access to an email message is very easy to do. Whether it's because of an email server being hacked, the email being intercepted, or even laws that allow governments to go through all electronic messages sent. You have a right to your privacy, but it's up to you to protect that right. * Encrypt with my pgp key which can be found here: * https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event -- For more info go here: http://www.gnupg.org/ for GNU Version ?? or here http://www.symantec.com/business/theme.jsp?themeid=pgp ?? for business implementation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 20 15:51:46 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:51:46 -0400 Subject: USB causes kernel crashes... In-Reply-To: <20110619155720.GB25661@amber> References: <20110610164814.GA13983@amber> <4DF250D1.10107@gmail.com> <20110610181204.GA14180@amber> <20110610215902.GA14818@amber> <20110616025211.GA8913@amber> <20110619155720.GB25661@amber> Message-ID: <20110620155146.GH7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 11:57:20AM -0400, Peter King wrote: > Had my first crash with 2.6.39-r1 and udev 1.71, triggered by plugging in my > HTC Dream to recharge. The system would not boot (kernel panic) with the USB > external drives attached, but boots fine with them unattached. Crashes again > if I try to simply power on the external drives, but if I let them power up > all the way and then attach them, they seem to work (one crash in five tests). > Once attached properly, they seem to run fine. So the bug is *not* cured, or > not entirely cured, with this configuration of software. What kind of system is this? What chipset? I have this vague recollection of a specific intel chipset that was known to crash when iphones and similar were connected and it took a while before any fixes came out for it. > << long drawn-out sigh >> > > It reminds me of the days of using Another OS, when having the whole computer > randomly stop working was just one of the hazards of computing. I've come to > think of any reasonably-designed OS as being essentially crash-proof. Indeed, > it's a bit of a surprise to realize this is not the typical user experience... It is hard to test defective hardware handling if you don't have defective hardware to test with. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 20 19:08:36 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:08:36 -0400 Subject: USB causes kernel crashes... In-Reply-To: <20110620155146.GH7146-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110610164814.GA13983@amber> <4DF250D1.10107@gmail.com> <20110610181204.GA14180@amber> <20110610215902.GA14818@amber> <20110616025211.GA8913@amber> <20110619155720.GB25661@amber> <20110620155146.GH7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110620190836.GA28847@amber> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:51:46AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > What kind of system is this? What chipset? > > I have this vague recollection of a specific intel chipset that was > known to crash when iphones and similar were connected and it took a > while before any fixes came out for it. AMD Phenom Black Quad-Core, on a Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 motherboard; the chipset is ATI all the way through. It's attached to an nVidia GeForce 7300 GS, an Asus Sonar Essence STX, a Realtek RTL8111/8168B ethernet chip, four SATA-II drives, one IDE drive, and three USB-connected external hard drives. It runs gentoo with kernel 2.6.39-r1 and udev-1.71, and is otherwise up-to-date with stable gentoo. No problems whatsoever on kernel 2.6.37-r4; all the crashes etc. are for kernels after that point. The hardware may be defective, but none of the defects were apparent before the last round of kernel/udev upgrades, and given that users across a wide variety of Linux distributions (gentoo/SuSE/Fedora/Debian/Ubuntu/etc.) and a wide variety of hardware (intel/AMD), I'm inclined to suspect a software bug down deep in the internals somewhere. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 20 21:08:38 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:08:38 -0400 Subject: USB causes kernel crashes... In-Reply-To: <20110620190836.GA28847@amber> References: <20110610164814.GA13983@amber> <4DF250D1.10107@gmail.com> <20110610181204.GA14180@amber> <20110610215902.GA14818@amber> <20110616025211.GA8913@amber> <20110619155720.GB25661@amber> <20110620155146.GH7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110620190836.GA28847@amber> Message-ID: <20110620210838.GI7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 03:08:36PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > AMD Phenom Black Quad-Core, on a Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 motherboard; the > chipset is ATI all the way through. It's attached to an nVidia GeForce > 7300 GS, an Asus Sonar Essence STX, a Realtek RTL8111/8168B ethernet > chip, four SATA-II drives, one IDE drive, and three USB-connected external > hard drives. It runs gentoo with kernel 2.6.39-r1 and udev-1.71, and is > otherwise up-to-date with stable gentoo. No problems whatsoever on kernel > 2.6.37-r4; all the crashes etc. are for kernels after that point. > > The hardware may be defective, but none of the defects were apparent before > the last round of kernel/udev upgrades, and given that users across a wide > variety of Linux distributions (gentoo/SuSE/Fedora/Debian/Ubuntu/etc.) and > a wide variety of hardware (intel/AMD), I'm inclined to suspect a software > bug down deep in the internals somewhere. I don't recall any ATI USB problems, although I have mostly been ignoring ATI chipsets for a number of years now. I did see mentions of a scsi layer bug in 2.6.39 that has been fixed in 3.0-rc2 (and as far as I can tell 2.6.39.1 as well although having not found the exact git commit that supposedly fixes it I am not sure), which should explain the problem with USB storage devices. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ushnish.sengupta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 20 21:11:19 2011 From: ushnish.sengupta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ushnish Sengupta) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:11:19 -0400 Subject: Looking for Speakers or Topics [for July and Aug.] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Would y'all be open to doing a workshop: "How to get more people interested in using Linux" It would be an interactive discussion session rather than a presentation. I could kick off by providing a list of ideas, some of which have been bandied about on this list. Ushnish On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > Still looking for speakers for July and Aug.? > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Myles Braithwaite > wrote: > > So we don't have any speakers for any of the upcoming meeting. Anyone > > want to volunteer for a talk? Or has a talk suggestion? > > > > One thing that came up at beer last night was a talk on Bitcoin. > > > > -- > > Myles Braithwaite > > http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > -- > Myles Braithwaite > http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 21 00:00:33 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:00:33 -0400 Subject: Upcoming talks - Clustering pt. 2 Message-ID: <4DFFDF21.9090709@alteeve.com> Scott was suggesting that there would be interest if I did a talk on "clustering 201". Some may remember that I gave a clustering talk last year, but I ran out of time before discussing resource management. I may be giving a talk in Prague in October on Fencing, so I am debating whether TLUG would find value in giving a talk on those two topics. The main topics I would cover, if I gave a talk, would be: * Resource Management; Focus on Red Hat's rgmanager with an introduction to Pacemaker. * Fencing; Why it is critical in shared-storage clusters. This would introduce and discuss virtual synchrony and closed process groups. If there is interest, I can give the talk between now and September. After that, I do not think I'd have enough free time, I am afraid. -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Freenode handle: digimer Papers and Projects: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org "I feel confined, only free to expand myself within boundaries." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 21 00:21:55 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:21:55 -0400 Subject: Looking for Speakers or Topics [for July and Aug.] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DFFE423.6000502@gmail.com> I could do something on Ham Radio. My setup is entirely Linux-based, which is pretty rare for amateur radio. cheers, Stewart / VA3PID -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 21 02:12:11 2011 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:12:11 -0400 Subject: Looking for Speakers or Topics [for July and Aug.] In-Reply-To: <4DFFE423.6000502-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DFFE423.6000502@gmail.com> Message-ID: You certainly have my interest Stewart. Do you run GNU Radio? On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > I could do something on Ham Radio. My setup is entirely Linux-based, > which is pretty rare for amateur radio. > > cheers, > Stewart / VA3PID > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 21 02:55:50 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:55:50 -0400 Subject: Looking for Speakers or Topics [for July and Aug.] In-Reply-To: References: <4DFFE423.6000502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E000836.2050002@gmail.com> On 11-06-20 22:12 , Ansar Mohammed wrote: > You certainly have my interest Stewart. Do you run GNU Radio? No, I don't have an SDR yet. I'm about to build one, though, but I'm not sure if it uses GNU Radio. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 21 18:47:23 2011 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (JOSE) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:47:23 -0400 Subject: Upcoming talks - Clustering pt. 2 In-Reply-To: <4DFFDF21.9090709-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4DFFDF21.9090709@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4E00E73B.9040704@totaltravelmarketing.com> On 20/06/2011 8:00 PM, Digimer wrote: > Scott was suggesting that there would be interest if I did a talk on > "clustering 201". Some may remember that I gave a clustering talk last > year, but I ran out of time before discussing resource management. I may > be giving a talk in Prague in October on Fencing, so I am debating > whether TLUG would find value in giving a talk on those two topics. > > The main topics I would cover, if I gave a talk, would be: > * Resource Management; Focus on Red Hat's rgmanager with an introduction > to Pacemaker. > * Fencing; Why it is critical in shared-storage clusters. This would > introduce and discuss virtual synchrony and closed process groups. > > If there is interest, I can give the talk between now and September. > After that, I do not think I'd have enough free time, I am afraid. > I am interested in this topics -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 21 19:33:45 2011 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:33:45 -0400 Subject: Upcoming talks - Clustering pt. 2 In-Reply-To: <4DFFDF21.9090709-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4DFFDF21.9090709@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4E00F219.20007@ss.org> On 06/20/2011 08:00 PM, Digimer wrote: > Scott was suggesting that there would be interest if I did a talk on > "clustering 201". Some may remember that I gave a clustering talk last > year, but I ran out of time before discussing resource management. I > may be giving a talk in Prague in October on Fencing, so I am debating > whether TLUG would find value in giving a talk on those two topics. > > The main topics I would cover, if I gave a talk, would be: > * Resource Management; Focus on Red Hat's rgmanager with an > introduction to Pacemaker. > * Fencing; Why it is critical in shared-storage clusters. This would > introduce and discuss virtual synchrony and closed process groups. > > If there is interest, I can give the talk between now and September. > After that, I do not think I'd have enough free time, I am afraid. > +1 Will you be including an overview of the various Fencing methods available? -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 22 00:03:56 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:03:56 -0400 Subject: Upcoming talks - Clustering pt. 2 In-Reply-To: <4E00F219.20007-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4DFFDF21.9090709@alteeve.com> <4E00F219.20007@ss.org> Message-ID: Count me in too On 21 Jun 2011 15:34, "Scott Sullivan" wrote: > On 06/20/2011 08:00 PM, Digimer wrote: >> Scott was suggesting that there would be interest if I did a talk on >> "clustering 201". Some may remember that I gave a clustering talk last >> year, but I ran out of time before discussing resource management. I >> may be giving a talk in Prague in October on Fencing, so I am debating >> whether TLUG would find value in giving a talk on those two topics. >> >> The main topics I would cover, if I gave a talk, would be: >> * Resource Management; Focus on Red Hat's rgmanager with an >> introduction to Pacemaker. >> * Fencing; Why it is critical in shared-storage clusters. This would >> introduce and discuss virtual synchrony and closed process groups. >> >> If there is interest, I can give the talk between now and September. >> After that, I do not think I'd have enough free time, I am afraid. >> > > +1 > > Will you be including an overview of the various Fencing methods available? > > -- > Scott Sullivan > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We've got the 8-port iSCSI/SAN model B800i (http://www.drobo.com/products/drobosanbusiness.php). -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Freenode handle: digimer Papers and Projects: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org "I feel confined, only free to expand myself within boundaries." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 22 10:48:58 2011 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:48:58 -0400 Subject: Drobo In-Reply-To: <4E0153FC.1030708-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4E0153FC.1030708@alteeve.com> Message-ID: yes, I have one. I had one problem where the power failed and I could not get it back up. Eventually it did, but it has some "intelligence" in it that I'm not sure I like. Dave Cramer VP Software Development Visible Assets Inc. www.visibleassets.com On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Digimer wrote: > On 06/21/2011 09:34 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: >> >> Anyone used these? They look completely awesome. >> >> http://source.ncix.com/lp4/drobo_refresh/index.html > > We just got one at work. It took a bit of fiddling to get working, but it's > fine now. We've got the 8-port iSCSI/SAN model B800i > (http://www.drobo.com/products/drobosanbusiness.php). > > -- > Digimer > E-Mail: ? ? ? ? ? ? ?digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org > Freenode handle: ? ? digimer > Papers and Projects: http://alteeve.com > Node Assassin: ? ? ? http://nodeassassin.org > "I feel confined, only free to expand myself within boundaries." > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From voidpointer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 22 14:36:18 2011 From: voidpointer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Nicolaides) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:36:18 -0400 Subject: Drobo In-Reply-To: References: <4E0153FC.1030708@alteeve.com> Message-ID: I would avoid. We have one of the DroboPro units and I am wary of it's durability. We put it into a server rack and the disks didn't come online the first time we booted the thing. So I powered it down, pulled the plug, made sure all the disks were seated properly, etc. Plugged it back in and they came on. I don't trust them. Cheers, Jason On 22 June 2011 06:48, Dave Cramer wrote: > yes, I have one. I had one problem where the power failed and I could > not get it back up. Eventually it did, but it has some "intelligence" > in it that I'm not sure I like. > > Dave Cramer > VP Software Development > Visible Assets Inc. > www.visibleassets.com > > > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Digimer wrote: > > On 06/21/2011 09:34 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > >> > >> Anyone used these? They look completely awesome. > >> > >> http://source.ncix.com/lp4/drobo_refresh/index.html > > > > We just got one at work. It took a bit of fiddling to get working, but > it's > > fine now. We've got the 8-port iSCSI/SAN model B800i > > (http://www.drobo.com/products/drobosanbusiness.php). > > > > -- > > Digimer > > E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org > > Freenode handle: digimer > > Papers and Projects: http://alteeve.com > > Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org > > "I feel confined, only free to expand myself within boundaries." > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- "Surround yourself with all you own, Work your fingers to the bone, And happiness evades you still..." Assemblage 23, "I am the Rain" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slackrat-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 22 22:30:00 2011 From: slackrat-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org (slackrat-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:30:00 +0200 Subject: Resolve IP Message-ID: <1308781800.4e026ce8c2831@imp.free.fr> Strange......... curl -s http://checkip.dyndns.org |grep -i address Current IP Address: 123.456.66.146 (obfuscated) resolveip 123.456.66.146 Host name of 123.456.66.146 is 123-456-66-146.cpe.distributel.net Great!!! The only problem being I'm on Teksavvy Cable And this is causing me some grief, particularly in the smtp department Like I had to do the WebMail thing on the Free.fr servers to get this email out. Has anyone encountered a similar problem? Requests to teksavvy.support have only resulted in the "give us 24 hours..." autoresponse -- Slackrat Flying the Flag of the English http://usera.imagecave.com/daveycrockett/englishdragon.jpg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Jun 22 23:34:43 2011 From: meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (meng) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:34:43 -0400 Subject: Resolve IP Message-ID: <892b9ea7768885341ae0584364c68218@teksavvy.com> -----Original message----- From: slackrat-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:30:00 -0400 To: TLUG tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Resolve IP > > Strange......... > > ?curl -s http://checkip.dyndns.org |grep -i address > ?Current IP Address: 123.456.66.146 (obfuscated) > > ?resolveip 123.456.66.146 > Host name of 123.456.66.146 is 123-456-66-146.cpe.distributel.net > > Great!!! > > The only problem being I'm on Teksavvy Cable > > And this is causing me some grief, particularly in the smtp department > > Like I had to do the WebMail thing on the Free.fr servers to get this email out. > > Has anyone encountered a similar problem? > > Requests to teksavvy.support have only resulted in the "give us 24 > hours..." autoresponse > You may want to try nslookup and dig. The current IP address has changed but even so, you may see "teksavvy" as below: nslookup 69.196.142.228 Server: 206.248.154.22 Address: 206.248.154.22#53 Non-authoritative answer: 228.142.196.69.in-addr.arpa name = 69.196.142.228.cable.teksavvy.com. Authoritative answers can be found from: 142.196.69.in-addr.arpa nameserver = ns2.teksavvy.com. 142.196.69.in-addr.arpa nameserver = ns.teksavvy.com. ns.teksavvy.com internet address = 206.248.182.3 ns.teksavvy.com has AAAA address 2607:f2c0::3 ns2.teksavvy.com internet address = 206.248.182.4 ns2.teksavvy.com has AAAA address 2607:f2c0::4 Hope that helps. Meng > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ?????Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 00:37:16 2011 From: slackrat-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org (slackrat-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 02:37:16 +0200 Subject: Resolve IP Message-ID: <1308789436.4e028abcc76dc@imp.free.fr> meng a ?crit profondement: | You may want to try nslookup and dig. | The current IP address has changed but even so, you may see "teksavvy" as below: | nslookup 69.196.142.228 | Server: 206.248.154.22 | Address: 206.248.154.22#53 | Non-authoritative answer: | 228.142.196.69.in-addr.arpa name = 69.196.142.228.cable.teksavvy.com. | Authoritative answers can be found from: | 142.196.69.in-addr.arpa nameserver = ns2.teksavvy.com. | 142.196.69.in-addr.arpa nameserver = ns.teksavvy.com. | ns.teksavvy.com internet address = 206.248.182.3 | ns.teksavvy.com has AAAA address 2607:f2c0::3 | ns2.teksavvy.com internet address = 206.248.182.4 | ns2.teksavvy.com has AAAA address 2607:f2c0::4 Thanks. However, regardless of whether one uses "resolve" or "nslookup" or similar, the problem remains. Teksavvy have assigned me an IP which has been allocated to Distributel.net, whomever they might be. -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 02:17:55 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Resolve IP In-Reply-To: <1308789436.4e028abcc76dc-HZaT1/I6gcdWj0EZb7rXcA@public.gmane.org> References: <1308789436.4e028abcc76dc@imp.free.fr> Message-ID: | From: slackrat-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org | Teksavvy have assigned me an IP which has been allocated to | Distributel.net, whomever they might be. Perhaps that is correct. After all, IP addresses are delegated in a hierarchical fashion, not a partition. And I don't know how resellers of cable work. Play with "whois". -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 12:04:56 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:04:56 -0400 Subject: OT: TV Remotes [was HDTV Recommendations] Message-ID: <4E032BE8.90003@gmail.com> Sorry for this delay, but I just saw the thread. The Bose Video Wave ($6000 TV set with the whole sound system in the TV itself) remote displays it's menu on the perimeter of the TV. The system gets demoed in the Bose theatre and there's one in Yorkdale and one at Bay-Bloor Radio. My rogers PVR universal remote works pretty good and I'm able to control all my devices with that one remote. If I want to do any kind of index searching on my VCR I have to use the original VCR remote unfortunately. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 17:40:12 2011 From: teddymills4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:40:12 -0400 Subject: bitcoin mining Message-ID: Anyone on TLUG want to pool money+resources into some Bitcoin mining? Each member can either contribute a 9660 or a PC suitable for the 9660. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Matthew Rice) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:06:51 -0400 Subject: bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: get 'em while they're cheap :) I'm in. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:44 PM, teddy mills wrote: > > I know there are mining pools+guilds etc. > But it would be more fun to get blocks+money especially if they were cracked > by fellow TLUG members :) > > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, teddy mills wrote: >> >> Anyone on TLUG want to pool money+resources into some Bitcoin mining? >> Each member can either contribute a 9660 or a PC suitable for the 9660. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- G. Matthew Rice ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? gpg id: EF9AAD20 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 18:12:56 2011 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:12:56 -0400 Subject: bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You need a modern GPU to make it worth the money (interent access, energy, cooling). Using up the CPU resources for it's current exchange rate. The current exchange rate is based off how much government run currency (I probably said that wrong it might be legal tender) someone is willing to pay for Bitcions. But Bitcoin is now based off the drug trade so it will most likely bounce back to the $17USD soon. Anyways... sounds like a cool idea. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, teddy mills wrote: > > Anyone on TLUG want to pool money+resources into some Bitcoin mining? > Each member can either contribute a 9660 or a PC suitable for the 9660. -- Myles Braithwaite http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 18:19:10 2011 From: adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:19:10 -0400 Subject: Resolve IP In-Reply-To: <1308781800.4e026ce8c2831-HZaT1/I6gcdWj0EZb7rXcA@public.gmane.org> References: <1308781800.4e026ce8c2831@imp.free.fr> Message-ID: <20110623181910.GC986@adb.ca> slackrat-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org wrote: > Strange......... > > curl -s http://checkip.dyndns.org |grep -i address > Current IP Address: 123.456.66.146 (obfuscated) That's not a valid IP address at all (no part of a dotted v4 address can be greater than 255). The fact that it says "obfuscated" is another clue that it's hiding your real address from you. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 18:21:27 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:21:27 -0400 Subject: bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E038427.2040600@utoronto.ca> On 06/23/2011 02:06 PM, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > get 'em while they're cheap :) > > I'm in. There must be a point where the cost in terms of power is higher than the value of solving a block? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 18:27:55 2011 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:27:55 -0400 Subject: bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: <4E038427.2040600-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4E038427.2040600@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Jamon Camisso wrote: > There must be a point where the cost in terms of power is higher than > the value of solving a block? It matters how you are using the Bitcoin currency. If you are using it as a replacement for actually cash than yes. But if you are using it with people as an independent online currency than no. The 25 Bitcions could equal the standard price of a two days worth of electricity in Toronto. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 18:47:50 2011 From: teddymills4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:47:50 -0400 Subject: bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We all do not need to use the same card. 9660 might be the fastest, but not the best value. 5850 is a better value? As many MHASHES/sec as possible for the lowest cost. ATI is here in town and depending on where you are in the city, we not billed on the amount of electricity used. Anyone know where older Radeons 5xxx can be found? Need some space with good airflow and juice. I have the space, but only 5 circuits of 15 amps each. Not sure what that will power. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, teddy mills wrote: > > Anyone on TLUG want to pool money+resources into some Bitcoin mining? > Each member can either contribute a 9660 or a PC suitable for the 9660. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 18:50:07 2011 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:50:07 -0400 Subject: bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: <4E038427.2040600-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4E038427.2040600@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4E038ADF.5080809@the-wire.com> On 11-06-23 02:21 PM, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On 06/23/2011 02:06 PM, G. Matthew Rice wrote: >> get 'em while they're cheap :) >> >> I'm in. > > There must be a point where the cost in terms of power is higher than > the value of solving a block? Somebody has calculated that. ISTR the Wikipedia bitcoin article links to the web page. Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 19:14:17 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:14:17 -0400 Subject: bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:47 PM, teddy mills wrote: > > ... depending on where you are in the city, we are not billed on the amount > of electricity used. > > But we're all paying for it. On average, you actually pay more for power if it's not metered than if it is. Stewart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 19:47:16 2011 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:47:16 -0400 Subject: bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: guys, accepting bitcoin is something I've been hoping the Linux Caffe would do. Who's organising this? Maybe we could meet up there? And why are we doing it again? :) PS - On the "gov't run" v. "legal tender" front. Answer the question, "Who owns the US federal reserve?" first. :( Regards, --matt On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Stewart Russell wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:47 PM, teddy mills wrote: >> >> ... depending on where you are in the city, we are not billed on the >> amount of electricity used. >> > > But we're all paying for it. On average, you actually pay more for power if > it's not metered than if it is. > > ?Stewart > -- G. Matthew Rice ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? gpg id: EF9AAD20 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 19:57:18 2011 From: ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Ori Idan) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:57:18 +0300 Subject: bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:47 PM, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > guys, accepting bitcoin is something I've been hoping the Linux Caffe would > do. > > Who's organising this? Maybe we could meet up there? And why are we > doing it again? :) > > PS - On the "gov't run" v. "legal tender" front. Answer the question, > "Who owns the US federal reserve?" first. :( > > Regards, > --matt > The federal reserve I guess is owned by the federal government. As for Linux Caffe to accept bitcoin, they would need an exchange rate from bitcoins to CAD, after all they need to pay for their place, employees etc. in CAD, unless they can pay their expenses in bitcoin too. So is there an exchange rate for bitcoin vs. $CAD? -- Ori Idan > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Stewart Russell wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:47 PM, teddy mills > wrote: > >> > >> ... depending on where you are in the city, we are not billed on the > >> amount of electricity used. > >> > > > > But we're all paying for it. On average, you actually pay more for power > if > > it's not metered than if it is. > > > > Stewart > > > > > > -- > G. Matthew Rice gpg id: EF9AAD20 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course, that also meant we can not assist him better, as he is the only one who know problematic IP I think he needs to call his Isp and get them to fix his PTR record On 22 Jun 2011 18:30, wrote: > > Strange......... > > curl -s http://checkip.dyndns.org |grep -i address > Current IP Address: 123.456.66.146 (obfuscated) > > resolveip 123.456.66.146 > Host name of 123.456.66.146 is 123-456-66-146.cpe.distributel.net > > Great!!! > > The only problem being I'm on Teksavvy Cable > > And this is causing me some grief, particularly in the smtp department > > Like I had to do the WebMail thing on the Free.fr servers to get this email out. > > Has anyone encountered a similar problem? > > Requests to teksavvy.support have only resulted in the "give us 24 > hours..." autoresponse > > -- > Slackrat > Flying the Flag of the English > http://usera.imagecave.com/daveycrockett/englishdragon.jpg > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 20:21:41 2011 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:21:41 -0400 Subject: bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Ori Idan wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:47 PM, G. Matthew Rice wrote: >> PS - On the "gov't run" v. "legal tender" front. ?Answer the question, >> "Who owns the US federal reserve?" first. :( > > The federal reserve I guess is owned by the federal government. good guess. but wrong. > As for Linux Caffe to accept bitcoin, they would need an exchange rate from > bitcoins to CAD, after all they need to pay for their place, employees etc. > in CAD, unless they can pay their expenses in bitcoin too. > So is there an exchange rate for bitcoin vs. $CAD? There's a USD<->BTC. So, that's a route to CAD. I'm not suggesting 100% bitcoin for them, either :) TTYL, -- G. Matthew Rice ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? gpg id: EF9AAD20 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 20:43:09 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:43:09 +0000 Subject: OT: Federal Reserve (Was:bitcoin mining) In-Reply-To: <4E039F33.2050607-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4E039F33.2050607@ss.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Scott Sullivan wrote: > On 06/23/2011 03:57 PM, Ori Idan wrote: >> >> PS - On the "gov't run" v. "legal tender" front. ?Answer the question, >> "Who owns the US federal reserve?" first. :( >> >> Regards, >> --matt > > > The federal reserve I guess is owned by the federal government. > > The Federal Reserve is a Private bank, the only thing Federal about it is > that it has the word in it's name. The Canadian equivalent, the Bank of Canada, is also a private institution, whose governor is elected by the Bank's board of directors, but who may be dismissed by the government. That policy is not identical to the US analogues, but it's close enough for a number of purposes. It has historically been considered a feature, not a bug, to have these institutions private, as this insulates them at least somewhat from partisan politics. For ministers to try to modify central bank policy for the convenience of whatever policy they're trying to sharpen today is a pretty awful thing to contemplate. Of course, there's plenty of room for other theories to layer on top, and there is certainly no lack of theories. On the "Net of a Million Lies" it's often troublesome to figure out what ought to be considered believable. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 21:06:21 2011 From: slackrat-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org (slackrat-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:06:21 +0200 Subject: Resolve IP Message-ID: <1308863181.4e03aacd22700@imp.free.fr> William Muriithi a ?crit profondement: | Antony, slackrat changed the IP to make it anonymous. Of course, that | also meant we can not assist him better, as he is the only one who know | problematic IP | I think he needs to call his Isp and get them to fix his PTR record | On 22 Jun 2011 18:30, wrote: curl -s http://checkip.dyndns.org |grep -i address Current IP Address: 206.188.66.146 resolveip 206.188.66.146 Host name of 206.188.66.146 is 206-188-66-146.cpe.distributel.net Remote tracert (from 75.125.232.57 to azurservers.com == 206.188.66.146) 1 75.125.232.57 (75.125.232.57) 5.896 ms 0.696 ms 0.833 ms 2 te1-4.dsr01.hstntx1.networklayer.com (207.218.223.5) 0.495 ms 0.493 ms 0.328 ms 3 e4-2.ibr02.hstntx1.networklayer.com (207.218.245.29) 0.373 ms 0.521 ms 0.336 ms 4 209.66.99.93.available.above.net (209.66.99.93) 0.673 ms 0.809 ms 0.845 ms 5 xe-1-1-0.cr1.iah1.us.above.net (64.125.26.221) 1.086 ms 1.048 ms 0.947 ms 6 xe-0-0-0.cr2.iah1.us.above.net (64.125.30.66) 125.142 ms 10.785 ms 1.145 ms 7 xe-1-1-0.mpr3.atl6.us.above.net (64.125.31.49) 15.331 ms 15.262 ms 15.399 ms 8 xe-0-0-0.mpr4.atl6.us.above.net (64.125.31.42) 15.187 ms 15.269 ms 15.261 ms 9 99.xe-0-1-0.cr1.atl1.us.nlayer.net (198.32.132.68) 27.470 ms 22.969 ms 22.216 ms 10 ae0-70g.cr1.atl1.us.nlayer.net (69.31.135.129) 21.916 ms 22.090 ms 41.161 ms 11 xe-1-2-0.cr2.ord1.us.nlayer.net (69.22.142.45) 32.164 ms 47.840 ms 31.909 ms 12 xe-1-0-1.cr1.tor1.ca.nlayer.net (69.22.142.78) 44.453 ms 44.343 ms 44.179 ms 13 as11814.xe-1-0-0.cr1.tor1.ca.nlayer.net (69.31.142.134) 44.373 ms 44.322 ms 44.414 ms 14 209-195-70-66.cpe.distributel.net (209.195.70.66) 45.118 ms 45.312 ms 45.151 ms 15 gi-15-0-3.gw01.bloor.phub.net.cable.rogers.com (64.71.240.245) 45.642 ms 45.369 ms 45.369 ms 16 10.110.128.1 (10.110.128.1) 45.389 ms 45.206 ms 45.155 ms 17 * * * (Dies Here) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 21:18:47 2011 From: ori-RdxWQVHs3mjDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Ori Idan) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:18:47 +0300 Subject: bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:21 PM, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Ori Idan wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:47 PM, G. Matthew Rice > wrote: > >> PS - On the "gov't run" v. "legal tender" front. Answer the question, > >> "Who owns the US federal reserve?" first. :( > > > > The federal reserve I guess is owned by the federal government. > > good guess. but wrong. > So who? > > > > As for Linux Caffe to accept bitcoin, they would need an exchange rate > from > > bitcoins to CAD, after all they need to pay for their place, employees > etc. > > in CAD, unless they can pay their expenses in bitcoin too. > > So is there an exchange rate for bitcoin vs. $CAD? > > There's a USD<->BTC. So, that's a route to CAD. I'm not suggesting > 100% bitcoin for them, either :) > How do you determine this rate? -- Ori Idan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 21:25:43 2011 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:25:43 -0400 Subject: bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Ori Idan wrote: >> good guess. ?but wrong. > > So who? Google's best for this answer. >> > So is there an exchange rate for bitcoin vs. $CAD? >> >> There's a USD<->BTC. ?So, that's a route to CAD. ?I'm not suggesting >> 100% bitcoin for them, either :) > > How do you determine this rate? well there's exchanges for BTC->USD like mtgox. They're pretty famous this week. :) At that point, USD->CAD is handled be xe.com for rates and banks and other outfits for real currency exchange. IMO, though, Linux Caffe wouldn't be able to justify moving the few BTCs that it gets paid in for a year or two, at the least. By that time BitCoin will have imploded, become illegal or succeed...or still be crap and an experiment. TTYL, -- G. Matthew Rice ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? gpg id: EF9AAD20 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 21:51:57 2011 From: thomas.bruce.milne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:51:57 -0400 Subject: bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Ori Idan wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:47 PM, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > >> guys, accepting bitcoin is something I've been hoping the Linux Caffe >> would do. >> >> Who's organising this? Maybe we could meet up there? And why are we >> doing it again? :) >> >> PS - On the "gov't run" v. "legal tender" front. Answer the question, >> "Who owns the US federal reserve?" first. :( >> >> Regards, >> --matt >> > > The federal reserve I guess is owned by the federal government. > Actually, no, I think it is independently funded. It is 'accountable' to the US Congress, but funded by it's own investments. > As for Linux Caffe to accept bitcoin, they would need an exchange rate from > bitcoins to CAD, after all they need to pay for their place, employees etc. > in CAD, unless they can pay their expenses in bitcoin too. > So is there an exchange rate for bitcoin vs. $CAD? > > -- > Ori Idan > > >> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Stewart Russell >> wrote: >> > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:47 PM, teddy mills >> wrote: >> >> >> >> ... depending on where you are in the city, we are not billed on the >> >> amount of electricity used. >> >> >> > >> > But we're all paying for it. On average, you actually pay more for power >> if >> > it's not metered than if it is. >> > >> > Stewart >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> G. Matthew Rice gpg id: EF9AAD20 >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -- Thomas Milne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 22:51:37 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:51:37 +0000 Subject: bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Ori Idan wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:21 PM, G. Matthew Rice wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Ori Idan wrote: >> > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:47 PM, G. Matthew Rice >> > wrote: >> >> PS - On the "gov't run" v. "legal tender" front. ?Answer the question, >> >> "Who owns the US federal reserve?" first. :( >> > >> > The federal reserve I guess is owned by the federal government. >> >> good guess. ?but wrong. > > So who? > >> >> >> > As for Linux Caffe to accept bitcoin, they would need an exchange rate >> > from >> > bitcoins to CAD, after all they need to pay for their place, employees >> > etc. >> > in CAD, unless they can pay their expenses in bitcoin too. >> > So is there an exchange rate for bitcoin vs. $CAD? >> >> There's a USD<->BTC. ?So, that's a route to CAD. ?I'm not suggesting >> 100% bitcoin for them, either :) > > How do you determine this rate? It's a negotiation between the eyes of the various beholders, which isn't actually that different from how USD<->CDN<->UKP<->JPY work, as they're all generally speaking floating currencies. Unfortunately, it looks like a large portion of the folks willing to accept exchanges of USD<->BTC are involved in the nicely-demonized trade of illegal substances (e.g. - drug trade), which is likely to impose a fair bit of "guilty by association" on anyone that wants to use BTC. It could be an interesting "business opportunity" for LinuxCaffe to leap in, and be one of the parties that helps makes the perceived value of BTC<->Other Money actually float around. "Interesting" isn't necessarily synonymous with "prudent" or "profitable," so it wouldn't be surprising for them to contemplate it, but then decline to proceed. Getting associated with "drug stuff" would be a reason to think it unwise; after the pre-math and aftermath of the G20 summit, it's pretty clear that there are downsides to attracting the attention of law enforcement over controversial matters. But even on the "pure finance" side, there's reason to be wary, as BTC isn't a clearly-stable currency at this point, and anyone that gets involved in exchanges of BTC<->Other Money is getting themselves into involvement in arbitrage, which is a pretty risky endeavour. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From timhildred-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 23:02:26 2011 From: timhildred-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Timothy Hildred) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:02:26 +1000 Subject: bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> guys, accepting bitcoin is something I've been hoping the Linux Caffe would do. would you take bitcoin for your work? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 23 23:39:46 2011 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:39:46 -0400 Subject: bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Timothy Hildred wrote: >>> guys, accepting bitcoin is something I've been hoping the Linux Caffe >>> would do. > > would you take bitcoin for your work? Not for 100% of it. I, like most people (I think), still consider it an experiment. -- G. Matthew Rice ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? gpg id: EF9AAD20 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jun 24 00:34:52 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:34:52 -0400 Subject: bitcoin mining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Timothy Hildred wrote: >>> guys, accepting bitcoin is something I've been hoping the Linux Caffe >>> would do. > > would you take bitcoin for your work? I'd not accept it as salary, but supposing I was contracting, I don't think it would be a horrible idea to accept a small contract remunerated in bitcoin, as an experiment. A curious question that's worth an answer is knowing how the tax folk would recognize it. Playing the tax evasion game would get their ire up, but if you tried to play things straight with them, this oughtn't be worse than getting paid in any other currency they don't see every day. I'd not expect CRA to accept BitCoin in payment of taxes; I don't expect they accept rupees or lira or yen, either. If the experiment fails, that's no particular disaster. And the only way BitCoin could succeed is out of there being a goodly number of people trying such experiments. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 25 13:53:02 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:53:02 -0400 Subject: Need a wireless router recommendation to server 40+ people Message-ID: <20110625135302.GA15414@yam.witteman.ca> I am providing tech support for a meeting next month, and we want to offer wifi to the attendees - 40+ people. I've got wired gigabit to the room, so the question is, which router can I buy that I can configure as an open access point and will not barf under 40 people hitting a website at once? Thanks! -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From sammy.lao-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 25 14:10:26 2011 From: sammy.lao-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Sammy Lao) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 10:10:26 -0400 Subject: Need a wireless router recommendation to server 40+ people In-Reply-To: <20110625135302.GA15414-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110625135302.GA15414@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <1315CAEC-1C7D-4D18-8175-369017376C52@freegeektoronto.org> I am curious about this as well. Can't seem to find a lot of material about this topic on the Internet. Sent from my mobile On 2011-06-25, at 9:53, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I am providing tech support for a meeting next month, and we want to > offer wifi to the attendees - 40+ people. I've got wired gigabit to the > room, so the question is, which router can I buy that I can configure as > an open access point and will not barf under 40 people hitting a website > at once? Thanks! > -- > > yours, > > William > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 25 15:11:23 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 11:11:23 -0400 Subject: Need a wireless router recommendation to server 40+ people In-Reply-To: <20110625135302.GA15414-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110625135302.GA15414@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 9:53 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I am providing tech support for a meeting next month, and we want to > offer wifi to the attendees - 40+ people. ?I've got wired gigabit to the > room, so the question is, which router can I buy that I can configure as > an open access point and will not barf under 40 people hitting a website > at once? ?Thanks! You have a bunch of problems here each with different flavors of ugly. You should be able to assume all your attendees have laptops (or other devices) that support 802.11g, and you can tell anyone that has an 802.11b only device, sorry, but tough... Okay, I don't care who builds it or what it is running, there are NO 802.11g routers out there that could support 40 people hitting a media rich (read video) websites without barfing, the 802.11g standard just doesn't offer enough bandwidth. You could go to 802.11n but there are several issues here, starting with the near certainty that some significantly large percentage of your users will not support 802.11n so, 802.11g support will likely be a must. Further, while 802.11n in the 5 GHz band might be enough enough to support your people, there is no requirement that 802.11n use the 5 GHz band, meaning some 802.11n devices use just use 2.4 GHz other support 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz. The 802.11n devices that just support 2.4 GHz will be battling for bandwidth the 802.11g devices (yuck!). Bottom line, if money wasn't a concern I would set-up multiple routers as follows: - 1+ x 5 GHz 802.11n router(s) - 3 x 2.4 GHz 802.11g routers on channels one each on channels 1, 6 and 11 The above would get your attendees as much bandwidth as is possible. Get the people who have 5 GHz 802.11n support to go to 5GHz and then try to get the 802.11g/802.11 2.4 GHz only people to spread out among the 2.4 GHz channels. Beyond that, one of the Unix Unanimous group regulars (a big *BSD fan) will happily tell you how he can make the Linux TCP/IP stack fall over (under semi-extreme conditions). So, while not perfect, I do trust the Linux TCP/IP stack far more than any proprietary software stack. There are several 802.11g routers out there that can be made to run 3rd party Linux distros, best known, but hardly only being the Linksys WRT54GL... My $0.02 Colin. > -- > > yours, > > William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 25 16:21:59 2011 From: avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Volkov) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:21:59 -0400 Subject: Need a wireless router recommendation to server 40+ people In-Reply-To: References: <20110625135302.GA15414@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: I'm wondering if it is possible to replace multi-access point setup with a single PC running linux with 3 or more wireless PCI cards and a couple of long range external antennas. Or packing that many antennas within about 2-1 meter radius will result in too much interference? Sent from my mobile device. On Jun 25, 2011 11:11 AM, "Colin McGregor" wrote: > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 9:53 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman > wrote: >> I am providing tech support for a meeting next month, and we want to >> offer wifi to the attendees - 40+ people. I've got wired gigabit to the >> room, so the question is, which router can I buy that I can configure as >> an open access point and will not barf under 40 people hitting a website >> at once? Thanks! > > You have a bunch of problems here each with different flavors of ugly. > You should be able to assume all your attendees have laptops (or other > devices) that support 802.11g, and you can tell anyone that has an > 802.11b only device, sorry, but tough... Okay, I don't care who builds > it or what it is running, there are NO 802.11g routers out there that > could support 40 people hitting a media rich (read video) websites > without barfing, the 802.11g standard just doesn't offer enough > bandwidth. You could go to 802.11n but there are several issues here, > starting with the near certainty that some significantly large > percentage of your users will not support 802.11n so, 802.11g support > will likely be a must. Further, while 802.11n in the 5 GHz band might > be enough enough to support your people, there is no requirement that > 802.11n use the 5 GHz band, meaning some 802.11n devices use just use > 2.4 GHz other support 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz. The 802.11n devices that just > support 2.4 GHz will be battling for bandwidth the 802.11g devices > (yuck!). > > Bottom line, if money wasn't a concern I would set-up multiple routers > as follows: > > - 1+ x 5 GHz 802.11n router(s) > - 3 x 2.4 GHz 802.11g routers on channels one each on channels 1, 6 and 11 > > The above would get your attendees as much bandwidth as is possible. > Get the people who have 5 GHz 802.11n support to go to 5GHz and then > try to get the 802.11g/802.11 2.4 GHz only people to spread out among > the 2.4 GHz channels. > > Beyond that, one of the Unix Unanimous group regulars (a big *BSD fan) > will happily tell you how he can make the Linux TCP/IP stack fall over > (under semi-extreme conditions). So, while not perfect, I do trust > the Linux TCP/IP stack far more than any proprietary software stack. > There are several 802.11g routers out there that can be made to run > 3rd party Linux distros, best known, but hardly only being the Linksys > WRT54GL... > > My $0.02 > > Colin. > >> -- >> >> yours, >> >> William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jun 25 19:29:12 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:29:12 -0400 Subject: Linux & supercomputers Message-ID: <4E063708.1010700@rogers.com> "Twice a year, the Top500 Project publishes its list of the fastest supercomputers in the world. In the last announcement, we continue to see Linux dominating the list. This is nothing new since Linux has been dominating since the mid-2000s. In fact, Linux share in supercomputing looks a lot like Microsoft?s historical share of the desktop market. I thought it would be interesting to take a step back and look at the performance capability of these computers as a whole and also how the rise of Linux is mirroring the geographical expansion of supercomputers." http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2011/06/supercomputing-freakonomics-finding-meaning-beyond-headlines -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 27 16:02:27 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:02:27 -0400 Subject: Need a wireless router recommendation to server 40+ people In-Reply-To: References: <20110625135302.GA15414@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20110627160227.GJ7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:11:23AM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > You have a bunch of problems here each with different flavors of ugly. > You should be able to assume all your attendees have laptops (or other > devices) that support 802.11g, and you can tell anyone that has an > 802.11b only device, sorry, but tough... Okay, I don't care who builds > it or what it is running, there are NO 802.11g routers out there that > could support 40 people hitting a media rich (read video) websites > without barfing, the 802.11g standard just doesn't offer enough > bandwidth. You could go to 802.11n but there are several issues here, > starting with the near certainty that some significantly large > percentage of your users will not support 802.11n so, 802.11g support > will likely be a must. Further, while 802.11n in the 5 GHz band might > be enough enough to support your people, there is no requirement that > 802.11n use the 5 GHz band, meaning some 802.11n devices use just use > 2.4 GHz other support 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz. The 802.11n devices that just > support 2.4 GHz will be battling for bandwidth the 802.11g devices > (yuck!). > > Bottom line, if money wasn't a concern I would set-up multiple routers > as follows: > > - 1+ x 5 GHz 802.11n router(s) > - 3 x 2.4 GHz 802.11g routers on channels one each on channels 1, 6 and 11 > > The above would get your attendees as much bandwidth as is possible. > Get the people who have 5 GHz 802.11n support to go to 5GHz and then > try to get the 802.11g/802.11 2.4 GHz only people to spread out among > the 2.4 GHz channels. > > Beyond that, one of the Unix Unanimous group regulars (a big *BSD fan) > will happily tell you how he can make the Linux TCP/IP stack fall over > (under semi-extreme conditions). So, while not perfect, I do trust > the Linux TCP/IP stack far more than any proprietary software stack. > There are several 802.11g routers out there that can be made to run > 3rd party Linux distros, best known, but hardly only being the Linksys > WRT54GL... I certainly agree that 5GHz is great to have. I still love my DIR-825 rev B. It is dual band, abgn, runs the two bands completely independantly and with a 600MHz MIPS CPU and gigabit wired switch I would suspect it could handle a good chunk of such a load. Nothing can help the fact 2.4GHz is overloaded, so yeah multiple routers in 2.4GHz may be needed. Perhaps dedicate one channel to 802.11n only, and another couple to g only. I believe that is more efficient. Most newer laptops have at least 802.11n in 2.4GHz, even if they don't do 5GHz. Of course nothing beats a pile of Cat 5e or Cat 6 cable for reliable bandwidth. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 27 16:03:14 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:03:14 -0400 Subject: Need a wireless router recommendation to server 40+ people In-Reply-To: References: <20110625135302.GA15414@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20110627160314.GK7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:21:59PM -0400, Alex Volkov wrote: > I'm wondering if it is possible to replace multi-access point setup with a > single PC running linux with 3 or more wireless PCI cards and a couple of > long range external antennas. Or packing that many antennas within about 2-1 > meter radius will result in too much interference? If you can find some that will work as access points. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 27 16:05:57 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:05:57 -0400 Subject: Linux & supercomputers In-Reply-To: <4E063708.1010700-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4E063708.1010700@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110627160557.GL7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 03:29:12PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > "Twice a year, the Top500 Project publishes its list of the fastest > supercomputers in the world. In the last announcement, we continue > to see Linux dominating the list. This is nothing new since Linux > has been dominating since the mid-2000s. In fact, Linux share in > supercomputing looks a lot like Microsoft?s historical share of the > desktop market. I thought it would be interesting to take a step > back and look at the performance capability of these computers as a > whole and also how the rise of Linux is mirroring the geographical > expansion of supercomputers." > > http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2011/06/supercomputing-freakonomics-finding-meaning-beyond-headlines Well these days Linux natively supports up to 4096 CPUs in a single system image. Clustering of course has no such limit. I believe the largest single image system so far is one from Silicon Graphics, which has 2048 CPUs when you build the maximum config. The largest Windows HPC edition can run 256 CPUs in a single system image, and is supported on the SGI, although of course it is of little use if you have a 2048CPU machine. The normal OS on those machines is SuSE. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 27 20:08:13 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:08:13 -0400 Subject: Best practice for network configuration Message-ID: Pals, I recently came across a bunch of servers that uses DHCP for IP assignment and I found this really strange. I have googled on what is recommended method on google and I do not seem to get anything authoritative. Would anyone out there no of any reason why it would be recommended to use DHCP on servers? Is anybody out there using such a setup and what triggered you to take that route? Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 27 20:39:03 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:39:03 -0400 Subject: Best practice for network configuration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110627203903.GM7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 04:08:13PM -0400, William Muriithi wrote: > I recently came across a bunch of servers that uses DHCP for IP > assignment and I found this really strange. I have googled on what is > recommended method on google and I do not seem to get anything > authoritative. > > Would anyone out there no of any reason why it would be recommended to > use DHCP on servers? Is anybody out there using such a setup and what > triggered you to take that route? Well to some extent it makes your servers dependant on DHCP working to stay up. Of course you network may already be entirely dependant on that so it may not be an issue. Also DHCP can be made redundant. As long as you are handing out static IPs by DHCP it doesn't seem like that bad an idea, since it means you can manage the IP assignments from one place. I haven't ever done it that way personally, but I can vaguely see a few valid arguments for finding it useful. Quite likely if you had a lot of servers if might actually start to be very useful from a management point of view. Being able to change the DNS settings and gateway settings on all the servers in one place does sound handy. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jun 27 21:03:45 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:03:45 -0400 Subject: Best practice for network configuration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:08 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > Pals, > > I recently came across a bunch of servers that uses DHCP for IP > assignment and I found this really strange. ?I have googled on what is > recommended method on google and I do not seem to get anything > authoritative. > > Would anyone out there no of any reason why it would be recommended to > use DHCP on servers? ?Is anybody out there using such a setup and what > triggered you to take that route? Well, if you have a *lot* of servers, and they are pretty interchangeable, such that you might assign them to different purposes dynamically at boot time, then this would be pretty enormously useful as an assignment mechanism. Also, if you have a goodly bunch of servers, and would like to assign network information in a centralized fashion, then, again, DHCP is a pretty decent way to get started with that task. Using DHCP minimizes the amount of local configuration that needs to exist, which is pretty nice if you have the proverbial "lots of servers" to manage. But that being said, I don't like the idea terribly much. 1. Minimization of local configuration information + central management means that the central server is a potential Single Point of Failure. If the DHCP server is, for any reason, inaccessible, that server will remain mute. Of course, this might be a moot point if the death of DHCP means that there aren't any clients coherently connected to the network. 2. Is it likely that you'll have a bunch of servers where you won't determine what they're configured to do until they connect to the network and ask? I wouldn't think this happens much... 3. This solution only addresses a small set of things, as DHCP services: a) Network address b) DNS resolution information c) Possibly a "time sync for free" A server will do a lot more than that, so, if I'm centrally managing services, I'd rather debate over options that can readily deploy arbitrarily larger amounts of configuration. LDAP tends to be the "better way" to deploy lots of configuration, albeit with the caveat that any time I fight with LDAP, I find myself wishing that, instead, I had set up the project of poking my eyes out with a spoon, as that sounds like more fun than setting up LDAP. The alternative that involves "less poking out of eyes" is to use something like CFEngine to pull and use configuration data that is drawn from a central place. By separating "pull" and "use," CFEngine is likely to allow that server to do something at least vaguely coherent if there's a network partition that leaves the server unable to consult its master configuration source. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 28 00:12:56 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:12:56 -0400 Subject: Wiki change Message-ID: Alas, due to some spammy folks "slamming" us with a lot of updates to the wiki, the "powers that be" have been compelled to deactivate online requests for wiki accounts. If you want to update the wiki, please email accounts-kPTIhHHajqAdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 28 12:14:13 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 08:14:13 -0400 Subject: Best practice for network configuration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E09C595.4020702@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > 1. Minimization of local configuration information + central > management means that the central server is a potential Single Point > of Failure. If the DHCP server is, for any reason, inaccessible, that > server will remain mute. No reason why you can't have multiple DHCP servers, so long as there's some method to prevent assigning the same address to multiple computers. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 28 14:03:06 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:03:06 -0400 Subject: Best practice for network configuration In-Reply-To: <4E09C595.4020702-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4E09C595.4020702@rogers.com> Message-ID: Hi buddies, On 28 June 2011 08:14, James Knott wrote: > Christopher Browne wrote: >> >> 1. ?Minimization of local configuration information + central >> management means that the central server is a potential Single Point >> of Failure. ?If the DHCP server is, for any reason, inaccessible, that >> server will remain mute. > > No reason why you can't have multiple DHCP servers, so long as there's some > method to prevent assigning the same address to multiple computers. ======================== First, apology for the typo I have in my initial mail. I meant to say the following "I have googled on what is recommended method of network setup and I do not seem to get anything authoritative." and "Would anyone out there know of any reason ..." ===================== Hmm, good idea. I still do not like the set up one bit and has too many potential problem for negligible convenience. Think about it. When we use DHCP, you still have to map the IP address to a MAC on each and every server you deploy, else the server may randomly change their IP leading to an outage. So, all this involve is moving the necessary change from the deployment server to DHCP, not doing away with change. Worse, when you have two or three DHCP servers, you now need to make 3 changes for every server deployment, in effect increasing configurations needed. That sound counter intuitive to me. On change dispatch, it also sound like a REALLY REALLY BAD idea. In fact, if I have 150 servers and plans to change the IP through DHCP, I would write and sign my resignation letter first. Think of all the application configurations that are likely to be bound to a specific IP. I have seen a good number of them in the few years I have been administrator. I will give you an example, if you have a server that uses ISCSI, check the ISCSI configuration. Chances are it has an IP dependence, and that will not be taken care of by DHCP. So with 150 servers, you are guaranteed to have lots of things that will stop working. Worse, you can not easily figure what is wrong, as you introduced 150 changes with a single keyboard strike. That mean, you are likely to have a couple of rough days and lots of people breathing on your neck. Not something I would opt for to save myself 3 lines of changes Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 28 14:45:42 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:45:42 -0400 Subject: Best practice for network configuration In-Reply-To: References: <4E09C595.4020702@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110628144542.GN7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:03:06AM -0400, William Muriithi wrote: > Hmm, good idea. I still do not like the set up one bit and has too > many potential problem for negligible convenience. Think about it. > > When we use DHCP, you still have to map the IP address to a MAC on > each and every server you deploy, else the server may randomly change > their IP leading to an outage. So, all this involve is moving the > necessary change from the deployment server to DHCP, not doing away > with change. Worse, when you have two or three DHCP servers, you now > need to make 3 changes for every server deployment, in effect > increasing configurations needed. That sound counter intuitive to me. If you have 1000 servers, and you need to update the DNS settings, being able to do it on DHCP is a lot less work than doing the same to 1000 servers. And if you can't figure out how to setup a system to send the same config to two or three dhcp servers, then you shouldn't really be running servers in general I suspect. That's a trivial problem. Using DHCP is one way to clearly know which IP is on which MAC and hence which server. Yeah you could keep track of it and really try hard to make sure you never made a mistake configuring all those servers manually. DHCP has the advantage that your database is the configuration rather than just a log of what the configuration should be. > On change dispatch, it also sound like a REALLY REALLY BAD idea. In > fact, if I have 150 servers and plans to change the IP through DHCP, I > would write and sign my resignation letter first. Think of all the > application configurations that are likely to be bound to a specific > IP. I have seen a good number of them in the few years I have been > administrator. I will give you an example, if you have a server that > uses ISCSI, check the ISCSI configuration. Chances are it has an IP > dependence, and that will not be taken care of by DHCP. So with 150 > servers, you are guaranteed to have lots of things that will stop > working. Worse, you can not easily figure what is wrong, as you > introduced 150 changes with a single keyboard strike. That mean, you > are likely to have a couple of rough days and lots of people breathing > on your neck. Not something I would opt for to save myself 3 lines of > changes I think there are setups where DHCP does make sense, and then there are setups where it doesn't. Certainly if you are running multiple IPs per server and running apache and such on multiple IPs (https for example) then DHCP is clearly not an option. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 28 15:17:47 2011 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:17:47 -0400 Subject: Best practice for network configuration In-Reply-To: <20110628144542.GN7146-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4E09C595.4020702@rogers.com> <20110628144542.GN7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110628151747.GA11382@watson-wilson.ca> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:45:42AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >If you have 1000 servers, and you need to update the DNS settings, >being able to do it on DHCP is a lot less work than doing the same to >1000 servers. And if you can't figure out how to setup a system to send >the same config to two or three dhcp servers, then you shouldn't really >be running servers in general I suspect. One could argue that if you are running 1000 servers you should be using a configuration management product to make these changes for you. I do agree that setting up redundant DHCP is pretty trial. In general hostmastering involves about the same amount of work regardless of the methods used. One must maintain a record of IP assignments whether done manually, via DHCP or some other method. I've never seen DHCP used on any scale for servers. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 28 15:36:33 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:36:33 -0400 Subject: Best practice for network configuration In-Reply-To: <20110628151747.GA11382-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4E09C595.4020702@rogers.com> <20110628144542.GN7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110628151747.GA11382@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20110628153633.GO7146@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:17:47AM -0400, Neil Watson wrote: > One could argue that if you are running 1000 servers you should be using > a configuration management product to make these changes for you. I do > agree that setting up redundant DHCP is pretty trial. > > In general hostmastering involves about the same amount of work > regardless of the methods used. One must maintain a record of IP > assignments whether done manually, via DHCP or some other method. I've > never seen DHCP used on any scale for servers. I haven't either, but I am sure someone does. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Jun 28 21:18:39 2011 From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:18:39 -0400 Subject: Giving away a collection of USENIX ;login: magazines Message-ID: My wife and I are leaving Toronto and need to get rid of some stuff. I have a complete collection of USENIX ;login: magazines to give away, 2/2002 through 6/2011. You must take the whole set; pick-up only at my house in the Leslieville area. Let me know if you are interested. - Julian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jun 30 14:05:31 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:05:31 -0400 Subject: A Open Source Software project that lets you map a computer network In-Reply-To: References: <20110607223103.GA2982@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: On 19 June 2011 18:09, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I ended up using yEd. > > FYI This is not an open source application, but may be something interesting to know about especially if you are running OSX http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OmniGraffle William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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