From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 1 15:27:16 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:27:16 -0500 Subject: Happy New Year! Message-ID: Happy New Year everyone! Also, of note, 2011 is a prime year, see: primes.utm.edu/lists/small/10000.txt Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 2 01:42:15 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 20:42:15 -0500 Subject: Happy New Year! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D1FD7F7.8030208@gmail.com> On 11-01-01 10:27 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > Happy New Year everyone! > > Also, of note, 2011 is a prime year, see: > > primes.utm.edu/lists/small/10000.txt > > > > Colin McGregor Happy New Year Everyone!!! I am grateful for the kind help and having shared in the conversation with you guys! Much Love =) -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 2 02:34:10 2011 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 21:34:10 -0500 Subject: Happy New Year! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0e18ca989221b487c2aaca4e5041ce47.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Happy new year all... Now to see if I can keep my new years resolution and lose 20 lbs :-P > Happy New Year everyone! > > Also, of note, 2011 is a prime year, see: > > primes.utm.edu/lists/small/10000.txt > > > > Colin McGregor > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andmalc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 2 23:41:38 2011 From: andmalc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrew Malcolmson) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:41:38 -0500 Subject: sleeping the system vs hibernate or suspend In-Reply-To: <201101021341.47082.bss-Sduji8a+UzjfRKnCUm8MJ16hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org> References: <20110102111840.3f39f13e@bamboo.deldotd.com> <201101021341.47082.bss@iguanasuicide.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > In <20110102111840.3f39f13e-74RIh5gySw6od3RgqetkCtBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org>, briand-/CzTsIfkJEdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org wrote: >>Someone posted (to this list) a simple command line for sleeping the >>system. I use 'pm-suspend' -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 00:10:48 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 19:10:48 -0500 Subject: DVD drive not mounting Message-ID: <4D211408.5040908@gmail.com> Can some help me get my dvd-drive to mount and work? It seems to be ok when I bootup into windows? i have the following entry in my fstab /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 likewise wodim give me: $ sudo wodim --devices wodim: Overview of accessible drives (1 found) : ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 0 dev='/dev/scd0' rwrw-- : 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVD-RAM GSA-H55N' ------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTE: scd0 links to sro if I try to mount, I get a no media found? i've tried a few cds, dvds $ sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd0 /cdrom/ mount: no medium found on /dev/sr0 any ideas? -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 05:44:45 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 00:44:45 -0500 Subject: Video Card Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <20101221140457.GA11861@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20110103054445.GA2388@yam.witteman.ca> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:40:55AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > >| I'd prefer to spend less money rather than more. I assume that an >| nVidia powered card is what I want - I plan to use the open source >| driver unless it is absolutely necessary. I have a 22" LCD right now, >| running at 1680x1050, but it may get upgraded at some point. So, the consensus seems to be that I want an nVidia - is there a manufacturer that I should look for or avoid? Is there an nVidia that doesn't have Linux support, or are they all okay? Thanks for the help so far! -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 06:12:19 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:12:19 -0800 Subject: Video Card Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <20101221140457.GA11861@yam.witteman.ca> <20110103054445.GA2388@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: I have a GT240 in my shuttle hooked up to the TV. It's not the fastest, but it plays anything (games) I've got at least 720p+ res, does video fine at full def 1080, takes only 1 slot-height, is good on power, and not too hot... plus it was cheap :-) Mine's made by PNY, BTW. 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URL: From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 06:35:10 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:35:10 -0500 Subject: Video Card Recommendations In-Reply-To: <20101221140457.GA11861-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20101221140457.GA11861@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <4D216E1E.6060401@gmail.com> On 10-12-21 09:04 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I am looking for a recommendation for a new video card, and I hope that > the intrepid TLUG can help. > > Requirements: > I would like to, eventually, be able to run a 1080p TV as a second > monitor. This is probably the tricky bit - but all of the cards I read > about say Dual, and I don't know who to trust. > > Can run a few basic games - I have bought the Humble Indie Bundle the > last two years, and some of the games exceed the capabilities of my > onboard Intel GMA 3100 (though Aquaria, World of Goo, Gish, Machinarium, > Osmos (a really beautiful game) and Samrost all work perfectly). > > PCI-e x16 is available on my motherboard. > > I'd prefer to spend less money rather than more. I assume that an > nVidia powered card is what I want - I plan to use the open source > driver unless it is absolutely necessary. I have a 22" LCD right now, > running at 1680x1050, but it may get upgraded at some point. > > Any suggestions? Thanks. FYI: A while back I bought a video card from Galaxy chipset: nVidia GeForce 9500 GT (Cuda cores 32, 512MB 128-bit) it is running 2 HP L2445m monitors at 1920x1200 each, there is enough juice in this low-end video card for flawless rendering my monitor are 24" but they are huge and look more like 32" The card has been running over a year with no problems, if you don't game this is an ideal class of video card you're looking for my card came with 2 DVI connectors and one s-video out -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 08:26:59 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 03:26:59 -0500 Subject: [OT} vps hosting Message-ID: <4D218853.80909@gmail.com> just checking out vps hosting, i am looking for a host that provides full control of what linux i get to install as well anything else on my server should the server fail to boot because i pooched it, there should be a fail-safe recovery where i can remotely login and re-image/install a base linux to get my server running again (not have to call service for this), of course i should have ssh so i can build and install packages the two i found which give me this are http://vpslink.com/vps-hosting/ http://www.linode.com/ what's improtant to me are: 1) daily backups 2) storage should be using a raid setup is there any other host you guys know that might provides something extra in term of service, performance or price? thanks -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 14:31:08 2011 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:31:08 -0500 Subject: [OT} vps hosting In-Reply-To: <4D218853.80909-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D218853.80909@gmail.com> Message-ID: http://www.slicehost.com/ Although it's basically the same as Linode. On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 03:26, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > just checking out vps hosting, i am looking for a host that provides full > control of what linux i get to install as well anything else on my server > > should the server fail to boot because i pooched it, there should be a > fail-safe recovery where i can remotely login and re-image/install a base > linux to get my server running again (not have to call service for this), of > course i should have ssh so i can build and install packages > > the two i found which give me this are > > http://vpslink.com/vps-hosting/ > http://www.linode.com/ > > what's improtant to me are: > > 1) daily backups > 2) storage should be using a raid setup > > is there any other host you guys know that might provides something extra in > term of service, performance or price? > > thanks > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely > > GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic > Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 > Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 16:37:03 2011 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:37:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OT} vps hosting In-Reply-To: <4D218853.80909-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D218853.80909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <83092.63756.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi, I have several VPS' at rimuhosting.com and rackspacecloud.com , they both have imaging via a control panel, backups and RAID. Rimuhosting is good at support and Rackspace is very affordable (starting about $12/month). --------------------- Fernando Duran http://www.fduran.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: Rajinder Yadav > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 3:26:59 AM > Subject: [TLUG]: [OT} vps hosting > > just checking out vps hosting, i am looking for a host that provides full >control of what linux i get to install as well anything else on my server > > should the server fail to boot because i pooched it, there should be a >fail-safe recovery where i can remotely login and re-image/install a base linux >to get my server running again (not have to call service for this), of course i >should have ssh so i can build and install packages > > the two i found which give me this are > > http://vpslink.com/vps-hosting/ > http://www.linode.com/ > > what's improtant to me are: > > 1) daily backups > 2) storage should be using a raid setup > > is there any other host you guys know that might provides something extra in >term of service, performance or price? > > thanks > > -- Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely > > GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic > Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 > Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 21:56:28 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 16:56:28 -0500 Subject: Video Card Recommendations In-Reply-To: <20101221140457.GA11861-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20101221140457.GA11861@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20110103215628.GJ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 09:04:57AM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I am looking for a recommendation for a new video card, and I hope that > the intrepid TLUG can help. > > Requirements: > I would like to, eventually, be able to run a 1080p TV as a second > monitor. This is probably the tricky bit - but all of the cards I read > about say Dual, and I don't know who to trust. > > Can run a few basic games - I have bought the Humble Indie Bundle the > last two years, and some of the games exceed the capabilities of my > onboard Intel GMA 3100 (though Aquaria, World of Goo, Gish, Machinarium, > Osmos (a really beautiful game) and Samrost all work perfectly). > > PCI-e x16 is available on my motherboard. > > I'd prefer to spend less money rather than more. I assume that an > nVidia powered card is what I want - I plan to use the open source > driver unless it is absolutely necessary. I have a 22" LCD right now, > running at 1680x1050, but it may get upgraded at some point. > > Any suggestions? Thanks. Any nvidia card should outperform the intel GMA 3100. If you get one with two DVI outputs, you should be able to run both a monitor (of any type you like) and the TV. Some now have mini HDMI which means it can carry audio to the TV as well which might be handy. DVI to HDMI cables don't include audio. I personally tend to go for the x60 series of nvidia cards since they seem to be the best balance of performance for cost (lower tends to switch to analog VGA connectors and seriously cut down on memory bandwidth and other features, and higher costs a lot). So hence I have a 6600GT (my desktop, older models had an extra 0 at the end of the models compared to the new ones), 7600GT (my sisters machine), 8600GT (mythtv box, and a friends gaming box), 460GT (A friends gaming box built this last week). My wife's machine has a 275GTX but it's not a budget machine in any way. I used to use a 5200 on my old mythtv BOX, but I wouldn't have wanted to play 3D games on it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 21:58:43 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 16:58:43 -0500 Subject: Video Card Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <20101221140457.GA11861@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20110103215843.GK12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:11:00AM -0500, ted leslie wrote: > http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121391 > > i had same criteria, and got this a few months ago for 230$, now it 200$, > sweet card! entry level of nvidia on their new processor series, > outstanding value. > quality manufacturer and excellent cooling. I got a 768MB MSI 460GTX card at NCIX on boxing day for $148 (and then it had a $20 mail in rebate on top of that). It is currently back to $187 it appears. Not sure how much difference 768MB versus 1GB is going to make. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 22:03:46 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:03:46 -0500 Subject: Video Card Recommendations In-Reply-To: <20110103054445.GA2388-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20101221140457.GA11861@yam.witteman.ca> <20110103054445.GA2388@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20110103220346.GL12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 12:44:45AM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > So, the consensus seems to be that I want an nVidia - is there a > manufacturer that I should look for or avoid? Is there an nVidia that > doesn't have Linux support, or are they all okay? Thanks for the help > so far! Nvidia has linux drivers for all of them. Now whether your distribution has packages for a new enough one for a brand new card is always a potential issue, but usually not for very long. Now some very old nvidia cards are only supported in legacy drivers these days, and the oldest legacy driver (the 71.xx driver) no longer works with current Xorg versions, but the 96.xx driver does, as do all newer ones. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 22:27:38 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:27:38 -0500 Subject: DVD drive not mounting In-Reply-To: <4D211408.5040908-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D211408.5040908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110103222738.GM12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 07:10:48PM -0500, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Can some help me get my dvd-drive to mount and work? It seems to be ok > when I bootup into windows? > > i have the following entry in my fstab > > /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > > likewise wodim give me: > > $ sudo wodim --devices > > wodim: Overview of accessible drives (1 found) : > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 0 dev='/dev/scd0' rwrw-- : 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVD-RAM GSA-H55N' > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > NOTE: scd0 links to sro > > if I try to mount, I get a no media found? i've tried a few cds, dvds > > $ sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd0 /cdrom/ > mount: no medium found on /dev/sr0 > > any ideas? Anything on the disc you put in? You can't mount audiocd's (unless you have audio fs support, which I don't think is standard in linux). Blank discs of course can not be mounted. I do have a DVD burner that can only mount DVD's these days. The CD laser appears to have failed. You can try: dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/sr0 wodim -dev /dev/sr0 -atip wodim -dev /dev/sr0 -toc Maybe one of them can give you some idea what the disc you put in is. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 22:29:35 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:29:35 -0500 Subject: ssh scp question In-Reply-To: <4D1CF60E.2000604-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D1CF60E.2000604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110103222935.GN12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 04:13:50PM -0500, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > i notice when i do a scp from my linux laptop to my main linux box there > is considerable delay before i am asked for a password to begin the scp > op > > if i do this from my other linux box there is hardly any delay, what > could cause the delay? Usually reverse dns lookup timeout. If the box you ssh to has dns enabled (and most do of course), it will try to do a reverse lookup on your IP. Of course if you don't have reverse dns setup for your local network, this won't resolve, and the dns timeout can take a while. A hosts file entry for each local machine, or setting up a reverse dns server for your local network solves it. Or maybe you could configure sshd to not do a reverse lookup on incoming connections. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 22:34:27 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:34:27 -0500 Subject: make a networked printer available to a subnet In-Reply-To: References: <20100916150931.GE8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110103223427.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 01:05:02AM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: > Should this work automatically for a Windows client? Or do I need > Samba to share a printer to Windows? It's automatic for most linux systems, and Mac OS X systems. Windows being Microsoft has to do things it own way and hence makes it hard. You can either share with samba, or you can actually use it directly from windows. So if you have a printer in cups named "My_Printer_123", then in windows you can install a printer by asking it to add a new printer, tell it to add a network printer and use the URL: http://printerserver:631/printers/My_Printer_123 and then pick the right driver for windows to use the printer of course. Mac and Linux being natively postscript don't need drivers on the client, Windows being stupid and making the client do the rendering work and then sending tons of bitmap data across the network does need a driver. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 22:38:42 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:38:42 -0500 Subject: C: adding text to images In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110103223842.GP12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 06:15:03PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > A friend of mine recently sent me the following question. I hadn't > any idea, and got his approval to post here. Can anyone assist? > > Question: > > Background: I'm looking at satellite data. I wrote a program in C that > does the following: Slurp up raster data in HDF format, feed the data > to a program that runs something called iterated conditional modes, > then writes out the raster data in TIFF. > > Problem: How do I make a caption with a legend and some text in it? > I really don't want to do this pixel-by-pixel in the raster data. I was > hoping for an easy C function like: > > add_text (x_loc, y_loc, size, text_string); > > ...that would then make the caption in the TIFF. > > I have looked around, and will continue to do so, but haven't found > anything I like yet. I know Gimp can do this, but I don't want to use > the GUI: I'd like to use this in my C program. > > Any suggestions? libgd. Has interfaces for most scripting languages, and of course is a C library. It can generate graphics, as well as compose graphics and text very nicely. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 22:40:49 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:40:49 -0500 Subject: Does rsync delete unmatched files by default? In-Reply-To: <20101220234839.GB15542-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20101220234839.GB15542@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20110103224049.GQ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 06:48:39PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > I think the answer is "no", as long as I don't specify --delete, but I > want to confirm. I revently switched over to using rsybc to back up my > main machine to an external USB drive. It took a while because it > was the first pass so it amounted to a straight copy. > > My question is about future backups. If I delete a file from the > source, will it be deleted from the destination during my next sync? > The script I use is below... > > #!/bin/bash > rm /root/rsync_log.txt > cd / > rsync --archive --group --itemize-changes --links --owner --perms \ > --progress --recursive --stats --times --verbose \ > --files-from=root/include_rsync.txt \ > --exclude-from=root/exclude_rsync.txt \ > --log-file=/root/rsync_log.txt / /mnt/extd/image_i3/ It does NOT delete excluded files on the target, unless you also add --delete-excluded. But otherwise it does delete things that are not on the source when --delete is specified. If no --delete option is specified at all, it only modifies or adds files. Tends to cause a mess of a backup after a while littered with obsolete deleted files. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 03:06:53 2011 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:06:53 -0500 Subject: C: adding text to images In-Reply-To: <20110103223842.GP12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110103223842.GP12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D228ECD.3030307@ve3syb.ca> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 06:15:03PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > > Problem: How do I make a caption with a legend and some text in it? [snip] > > Any suggestions? You can use ImageMagick to add text. Information and examples on what you can do can be found here --> http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/text/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 03:12:20 2011 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:12:20 -0500 Subject: Does rsync delete unmatched files by default? In-Reply-To: <20110103224049.GQ12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20101220234839.GB15542@waltdnes.org> <20110103224049.GQ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D229014.3050706@ve3syb.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > It does NOT delete excluded files on the target, unless you also add > --delete-excluded. But otherwise it does delete things that are not > on the source when --delete is specified. If no --delete option is > specified at all, it only modifies or adds files. Tends to cause a mess > of a backup after a while littered with obsolete deleted files. I haven't used rsync very often but my observation is that it copies changed/new files *before* it does the deletion. Normally, this is fine but if the target drive does not have a lot of spare space on it you run the risk of filling the target drive when rsync copies the changed/new files before it gets around to deleting files that no longer exist on the source drive. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 04:17:12 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:17:12 -0800 Subject: Video Card Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <20101221140457.GA11861@yam.witteman.ca> <20110103054445.GA2388@yam.witteman.ca> <20110103220346.GL12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: And as a side note, the nouveau (FOSS) Nvidia drivers do seem to be getting better over time, and that does tend to support the older cards including 3D acceleration. My primary beef is that it has issues with certain funky resolutions that the old closed-source driver was ok with... but still better legacy support than ATI (though they have improved nicely on newer stuff since the AMD acquisition) On 2011-01-03 2:04 PM, "Lennart Sorensen" wrote: On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 12:44:45AM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > So, the consensus seem... Nvidia has linux drivers for all of them. Now whether your distribution has packages for a new enough one for a brand new card is always a potential issue, but usually not for very long. Now some very old nvidia cards are only supported in legacy drivers these days, and the oldest legacy driver (the 71.xx driver) no longer works with current Xorg versions, but the 96.xx driver does, as do all newer ones. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A hosts file entry for each local machine, or setting up a reverse dns server for your local network solves it. Or maybe you could configure sshd to not do a reverse lookup on incoming connections. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 08:04:18 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 03:04:18 -0500 Subject: Does rsync delete unmatched files by default? In-Reply-To: <20101220234839.GB15542-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20101220234839.GB15542@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4D22D482.1020609@gmail.com> On 10-12-20 06:48 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > I think the answer is "no", as long as I don't specify --delete, but I > want to confirm. I revently switched over to using rsybc to back up my > main machine to an external USB drive. It took a while because it > was the first pass so it amounted to a straight copy. > > My question is about future backups. If I delete a file from the > source, will it be deleted from the destination during my next sync? > The script I use is below... > > #!/bin/bash > rm /root/rsync_log.txt > cd / > rsync --archive --group --itemize-changes --links --owner --perms \ > --progress --recursive --stats --times --verbose \ > --files-from=root/include_rsync.txt \ > --exclude-from=root/exclude_rsync.txt \ > --log-file=/root/rsync_log.txt / /mnt/extd/image_i3/ > FYI: you might want to take a look at duplicity what i like about it, low-bandwidth backup, full and incremental (change-set) backups, backup are secure and encrypted, it uses librsync http://duplicity.nongnu.org/index.html -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 15:32:57 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 10:32:57 -0500 Subject: Does rsync delete unmatched files by default? In-Reply-To: <4D229014.3050706-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20101220234839.GB15542@waltdnes.org> <20110103224049.GQ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D229014.3050706@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20110104153257.GR12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 10:12:20PM -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote: > I haven't used rsync very often but my observation is that it copies > changed/new files *before* it does the deletion. Normally, this is fine > but if the target drive does not have a lot of spare space on it you run > the risk of filling the target drive when rsync copies the changed/new > files before it gets around to deleting files that no longer exist on the > source drive. Actually it often deletes first (or along the way), at least in newer rsync versions. --delete-after explicitly makes it only delete when all other stuff is done. Without that option, it makes no promises about when it will do deletes. Essentially, --delete means --delete-during on rsync version 3 (when both ends is version 3), since it does incremental file list transfers. Older versions always sent the full file list first before doing anything else (which was a lot less efficient), and on those --delete meant --delete-before, so it always deleted fiels first. If you want the old behaviour back, use --delete-before, but you loose the advantages of incremental file list transfers. If transfering locally to an external disk, that is probably not a problem. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 18:24:57 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 13:24:57 -0500 Subject: DVD drive not mounting In-Reply-To: <20110103222738.GM12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4D211408.5040908@gmail.com> <20110103222738.GM12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 07:10:48PM -0500, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> Can some help me get my dvd-drive to mount and work? It seems to be ok >> when I bootup into windows? >> >> i have the following entry in my fstab >> >> /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 >> >> likewise wodim give me: >> >> $ sudo wodim --devices >> >> wodim: Overview of accessible drives (1 found) : >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ?0 ?dev='/dev/scd0' ? ? rwrw-- : 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVD-RAM GSA-H55N' >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> NOTE: scd0 links to sro >> >> if I try to mount, I get a no media found? i've tried a few cds, dvds >> >> $ sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd0 /cdrom/ >> mount: no medium found on /dev/sr0 >> >> any ideas? > > Anything on the disc you put in? > > You can't mount audiocd's (unless you have audio fs support, which I > don't think is standard in linux). > > Blank discs of course can not be mounted. > > I do have a DVD burner that can only mount DVD's these days. ?The CD > laser appears to have failed. > > You can try: > > dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/sr0 > wodim -dev /dev/sr0 -atip > wodim -dev /dev/sr0 -toc > > Maybe one of them can give you some idea what the disc you put in is. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- It doesn't work for any cd/dvd which are just normal iso images of win7 or debian install disks. it would be nice if I could get this drive to work, i need to double check when i get home by booting into windows, i don't think its a hardware issue. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-22-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 01:23:43 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:23:43 -0500 Subject: Happy New Year! In-Reply-To: <0e18ca989221b487c2aaca4e5041ce47.squirrel-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg@public.gmane.org> References: <0e18ca989221b487c2aaca4e5041ce47.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: Jason On 1 January 2011 21:34, Jason Carson wrote: > Happy new year all... > > Now to see if I can keep my new years resolution and lose 20 lbs :-P > I hate posting private stuff on the net, but I was just catching up with mails and came across this. I am hoping if I mention a couple of private stuff here, it may benefit some and hence worth the course. My dad and my paternal grand father are both diabetic. My grand father got sick ago but still drink??, but it was only when dad became diabetic that I started taking my food intake seriously. My dad however did stop drinking. Diabetics really sucks, if you have that problem, fracturing your foot is a very bad thing as its hard to heal it. In general, I saw diabetes destroy his quality of life and I planned to push it as back as I can. Something I found work well: - No sodas, ever. That is the worst product ever invented. Use water or natural juice - 3 normal meal a day. If you feel like you can not make it to the next meal, eat from fruits - Ah, no energy boaster that I see people using at work in the afternoon to keep them awake. Sleep enough or take coffee + fruits - Sweetener - use them rarely. If you take coffee/tea a lot, use natural honey - Eat meat no more than 3 to 4 day a week. There are vegetable proteins too and they can bridge the rest of the week. - You can take greasy food one in a while, but its more than 3 times a week, expect the waist line to keep increasing. That alone should allow you to loose 20 lbs petty soon even without exercise. Of course, it can be a pain, but just like quieting smoking, you got to arrive at the decision individually and master the discipline to follow though. I usually look at it as overlooking some pressure now so that I can have a better time longer. I have never had problem with weight myself because of two events early on my life. In high school, I used to be slightly depressed. People are usually distressed because either they have pessimist outlook or they are introverts. I am not the later, I really enjoy large group of people. But I have a head that will for no good reason start to always think, "what if I loose my job?" Nothing need to trigger it, I could actually be laughing with my boss when that question is playing over and over in the head. I did figure out how to fix the depression issue. Running, I mean serious running. For all of my life, I have run every week expect a 2 years break and then a 7 month last year when I messed up my leg muscle petty badly. Try clocking 12 miles in 80 min and the next morning you will be all smiles guaranteed!. (That assume you have done those distance a lot time and your body does not feel the pain any more. If that is you first jogging in your life, you will be as sour as hell) I do it 3 to 4 days a week, sometime biking if I feel something is not right with the legs, or even swimming. Its fun when it become a habit and everyone I think can do it. The trick it to be very gentle, really gentle. If you have never run, don't try, walk like 45 minutes and then run as fast as possible the last 5 minutes. It stretches your cardiovascular system to that they can learn to break down energy efficiently. That is, without leaving lactic acid in you muscles. Lactic acid can slow you down the next time. Also help you to stop running out of breath. Eventually, you should be pushing 8 to 9 miles an hour while sing along with your ipod. The sad part though, its more like jail. You can not stop. Sit still for 7 months and it feel like murder when you try again. That mean you have to choose activity you like or just forget it. Promise I would not post OT again William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 03:38:31 2011 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 22:38:31 -0500 Subject: Happy New Year! In-Reply-To: References: <0e18ca989221b487c2aaca4e5041ce47.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: <2962e47fd45392ee28739a66b9e9707a.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> > Jason > > On 1 January 2011 21:34, Jason Carson wrote: >> Happy new year all... >> >> Now to see if I can keep my new years resolution and lose 20 lbs :-P >> > > I hate posting private stuff on the net, but I was just catching up > with mails and came across this. I am hoping if I mention a couple of > private stuff here, it may benefit some and hence worth the course. > > My dad and my paternal grand father are both diabetic. My grand > father got sick ago but still drink??, but it was only when dad became > diabetic that I started taking my food intake seriously. My dad > however did stop drinking. Diabetics really sucks, if you have that > problem, fracturing your foot is a very bad thing as its hard to heal > it. In general, I saw diabetes destroy his quality of life and I > planned to push it as back as I can. > > Something I found work well: > > - No sodas, ever. That is the worst product ever invented. Use water > or natural juice > - 3 normal meal a day. If you feel like you can not make it to the > next meal, eat from fruits > - Ah, no energy boaster that I see people using at work in the > afternoon to keep them awake. Sleep enough or take coffee + fruits > - Sweetener - use them rarely. If you take coffee/tea a lot, use natural > honey > - Eat meat no more than 3 to 4 day a week. There are vegetable > proteins too and they can bridge the rest of the week. > - You can take greasy food one in a while, but its more than 3 times a > week, expect the waist line to keep increasing. > > That alone should allow you to loose 20 lbs petty soon even without > exercise. Of course, it can be a pain, but just like quieting smoking, > you got to arrive at the decision individually and master the > discipline to follow though. I usually look at it as overlooking > some pressure now so that I can have a better time longer. > > I have never had problem with weight myself because of two events > early on my life. In high school, I used to be slightly depressed. > People are usually distressed because either they have pessimist > outlook or they are introverts. I am not the later, I really enjoy > large group of people. But I have a head that will for no good reason > start to always think, "what if I loose my job?" Nothing need to > trigger it, I could actually be laughing with my boss when that > question is playing over and over in the head. > > I did figure out how to fix the depression issue. Running, I mean > serious running. For all of my life, I have run every week expect a 2 > years break and then a 7 month last year when I messed up my leg > muscle petty badly. Try clocking 12 miles in 80 min and the next > morning you will be all smiles guaranteed!. (That assume you have done > those distance a lot time and your body does not feel the pain any > more. If that is you first jogging in your life, you will be as sour > as hell) > > I do it 3 to 4 days a week, sometime biking if I feel something is not > right with the legs, or even swimming. Its fun when it become a habit > and everyone I think can do it. > > The trick it to be very gentle, really gentle. If you have never run, > don't try, walk like 45 minutes and then run as fast as possible the > last 5 minutes. It stretches your cardiovascular system to that they > can learn to break down energy efficiently. That is, without leaving > lactic acid in you muscles. Lactic acid can slow you down the next > time. Also help you to stop running out of breath. > > Eventually, you should be pushing 8 to 9 miles an hour while sing > along with your ipod. The sad part though, its more like jail. You > can not stop. Sit still for 7 months and it feel like murder when you > try again. That mean you have to choose activity you like or just > forget it. > > Promise I would not post OT again > > William Thanks for all the advice :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 09:08:36 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 04:08:36 -0500 Subject: DVD drive not mounting In-Reply-To: <20110103222738.GM12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4D211408.5040908@gmail.com> <20110103222738.GM12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D243514.7000200@gmail.com> On 11-01-03 05:27 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 07:10:48PM -0500, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> Can some help me get my dvd-drive to mount and work? It seems to be ok >> when I bootup into windows? >> >> i have the following entry in my fstab >> >> /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 >> >> likewise wodim give me: >> >> $ sudo wodim --devices >> >> wodim: Overview of accessible drives (1 found) : >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> 0 dev='/dev/scd0' rwrw-- : 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVD-RAM GSA-H55N' >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> NOTE: scd0 links to sro >> >> if I try to mount, I get a no media found? i've tried a few cds, dvds >> >> $ sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd0 /cdrom/ >> mount: no medium found on /dev/sr0 >> >> any ideas? > > Anything on the disc you put in? > > You can't mount audiocd's (unless you have audio fs support, which I > don't think is standard in linux). > > Blank discs of course can not be mounted. > > I do have a DVD burner that can only mount DVD's these days. The CD > laser appears to have failed. > > You can try: > > dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/sr0 > wodim -dev /dev/sr0 -atip > wodim -dev /dev/sr0 -toc > > Maybe one of them can give you some idea what the disc you put in is. > possibly bad hardware, or a bad cable. doesn't work on windows either. opened up case and made sure cable was on ok, check the bios everything looks ok could it be a master/slave issue? i have an ide drive on the same cable. if it was a master/slave issue, i am guessing the bios would not detect both drives correctly? the hd works fine on my linux, just the DVD fails -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 16:18:34 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:18:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: 3TB and Linux? Message-ID: <582602.40418.qm@web113410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Anyone using 3TB harddisk on Linux? Do you have to use any special PCIe card or vendor supplied drivers? Is the disk on SATA port or USB port? Specs for WD 3TB disk says that Linux needs special PCIe card (hinting that it's chipset issue) which ships with the WD 3TB disk. But, specs for Hitachi 3TB disk doesn't mention about requiring special PCIe card, but does mention whole other things about GUID partition table, UEFI BIOS, etc. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 16:31:49 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:31:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Slow Flash video... cpu or video card? Message-ID: <346565.70518.qm@web113402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi all, Watching Flash videos (on Firefox) at near full screen size seems a little jerky. It seems to be skipping frames. If I reduce the video screen size, then video become smoother. Of course, if it's too small, then it's difficult to watch. Question: Is this CPU issue, or video card issue? CPU: AMD Athlon64 single-core, 2.4GHz, 1MB cache, 45W Video: nVidia 8500GT -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 16:58:26 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 11:58:26 -0500 Subject: Slow Flash video... cpu or video card? In-Reply-To: <346565.70518.qm-CtIdhJAQs3OZZBmlwP4mLPu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <346565.70518.qm@web113402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: my guess is it isn't using any of the benefits of your video card (flash not programmed that way, or interfacing with it right), and thus it would all be on your cpu. I had this problem with my quad core 2.8 opteron, but resolved when i went to quad core i7 4.4ghz OC. but full screen for me is 2560x1600, so before the upgrade it was horribly jerky. I am not sure if adobe is trying for better use of video card in linux on their flash versions. This is one of the crappy issue with close source of flash (community can't pitch in a resolve). If youtube is culprit, try html5 chrome version for youtube, see if that works any better. Since your flash video is being scaled up, if you could use the X feature to change your screen res to 800x600 or similar just for full screen flash viewing it would help out a lot or even totally solve your issue), rather then having pixel transfer to 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 or whatever res. you run at. So you would just put alternate res. in your xorg config and switch between them with ctrl-(numpad)-+/- (if i remember correctly). tl On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:31 AM, William Park wrote: > Hi all, > > Watching Flash videos (on Firefox) at near full screen size seems a little > jerky. ?It seems to be skipping frames. ?If I reduce the video screen size, then > video become smoother. ?Of course, if it's too small, then it's difficult to > watch. > > Question: ?Is this CPU issue, or video card issue? > > CPU: AMD Athlon64 single-core, 2.4GHz, 1MB cache, 45W > Video: nVidia 8500GT > -- > William > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 16:31:52 2011 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 11:31:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Weird quotas issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Dec 2010, Tyler Aviss wrote: > joe at dra:/home/samba$ quota -s > Disk quotas for user joe (uid 20368): none > > joe at dra:/home/samba$ touch foo > touch: cannot touch `foo': Disk quota exceeded XFS supports project quotas, which are per directory as well as regular quotas which are per user. Check to see if the other admin has set project quotas. Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Contributing member of Software in the Public Interest (http://spi-inc.org/) Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 18:20:14 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:20:14 -0500 Subject: DVD drive not mounting In-Reply-To: <4D243514.7000200-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D211408.5040908@gmail.com> <20110103222738.GM12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D243514.7000200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110105182014.GS12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 04:08:36AM -0500, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > possibly bad hardware, or a bad cable. doesn't work on windows either. > > opened up case and made sure cable was on ok, check the bios everything > looks ok > > could it be a master/slave issue? i have an ide drive on the same cable. > if it was a master/slave issue, i am guessing the bios would not detect > both drives correctly? the hd works fine on my linux, just the DVD fails If the drive is detected, then the cable and settings are fine. If it can't see a disk, most likely the laser pickup or other part of the drive mechanism is busted. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 18:27:39 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:27:39 -0500 Subject: Slow Flash video... cpu or video card? In-Reply-To: <346565.70518.qm-CtIdhJAQs3OZZBmlwP4mLPu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <346565.70518.qm@web113402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D24B81B.3060902@gmail.com> On 05/01/11 11:31, William Park wrote: > Hi all, > > Watching Flash videos (on Firefox) at near full screen size seems a little > jerky. It seems to be skipping frames. If I reduce the video screen size, then > video become smoother. Of course, if it's too small, then it's difficult to > watch. > > Question: Is this CPU issue, or video card issue? > > CPU: AMD Athlon64 single-core, 2.4GHz, 1MB cache, 45W > Video: nVidia 8500GT Double check to make sure that you've selected the Standard Definition stream. Some videos stream in High Definition and they're unwatchable on my 2004 PowerBook G4. (I know time to get a new computer "sigh") -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 18:50:58 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:50:58 -0500 Subject: [OT] Custom Firmware for PS3 Message-ID: Installing Linux can't be far behind... http://tinyurl.com/36a5mxh -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 19:27:12 2011 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:27:12 -0500 Subject: DVD drive not mounting In-Reply-To: <20110105182014.GS12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4D211408.5040908@gmail.com> <20110103222738.GM12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D243514.7000200@gmail.com> <20110105182014.GS12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 04:08:36AM -0500, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > > possibly bad hardware, or a bad cable. doesn't work on windows either. > > > > opened up case and made sure cable was on ok, check the bios everything > > looks ok > > > > could it be a master/slave issue? i have an ide drive on the same cable. > > if it was a master/slave issue, i am guessing the bios would not detect > > both drives correctly? the hd works fine on my linux, just the DVD fails > > If the drive is detected, then the cable and settings are fine. If it > can't see a disk, most likely the laser pickup or other part of the > drive mechanism is busted. > > -- > Len Sorensen > > Just to completely rule out operating systems, can you try booting from a livecd of some sort to see if it reads? It does sound like the hardware is at fault right now though. -jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 19:42:41 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:42:41 -0500 Subject: 3TB and Linux? In-Reply-To: <582602.40418.qm-iGg6QNsgFOE/JfqJOfUXs/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <582602.40418.qm@web113410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110105194241.GT12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 08:18:34AM -0800, William Park wrote: > Anyone using 3TB harddisk on Linux? > Do you have to use any special PCIe card or vendor supplied drivers? > Is the disk on SATA port or USB port? > > Specs for WD 3TB disk says that Linux needs special PCIe card (hinting that it's > chipset issue) which ships with the WD 3TB disk. But, specs for Hitachi 3TB > disk doesn't mention about requiring special PCIe card, but does mention whole > other things about GUID partition table, UEFI BIOS, etc. GUID partition table is required. UEIF BIOS is required to boot from the drive if running windows (which must be 64bit in that case). Windows can use it as a data drive just fine. Linux with grub2 can boot from it without UEFI just fine. I currently have a few servers booting from a hardware raid that is 2.2TB using GUID partition tables, and it's fine. Plain old BIOS. I don't know of any controller issues to do with disks over 2TB. Some USB controllers in external enclosures might have issues, no idea. I see mentions of LBA32 which seems silly since LBA in the past has always been LBA28 for old IDE and LBA48 for modern IDE and SCSI, and I can't believe SATA would use anything other than LBA48. Some people are talking about LBA64, which seems like nonsense. They also claim LBA48 can only do 2.8TB, which is wrong. 2^48 bytes would be 2.8TB, but LBA is sector addreses, so 2^48 sectors using 512byte sectors is 1430TB. It seems the real problem is some drivers only support 2^48 byte access for some reason. Apparently some designs only support a 32bit sector number internally, which means 2^32 sectors of 512 bytes which is 2TB. Not an LBA problem at all though, since the interface is LBA48, just an internal design problem. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 19:44:00 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:44:00 -0500 Subject: Slow Flash video... cpu or video card? In-Reply-To: <346565.70518.qm-CtIdhJAQs3OZZBmlwP4mLPu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <346565.70518.qm@web113402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110105194400.GU12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 08:31:49AM -0800, William Park wrote: > Watching Flash videos (on Firefox) at near full screen size seems a little > jerky. It seems to be skipping frames. If I reduce the video screen size, then > video become smoother. Of course, if it's too small, then it's difficult to > watch. > > Question: Is this CPU issue, or video card issue? > > CPU: AMD Athlon64 single-core, 2.4GHz, 1MB cache, 45W > Video: nVidia 8500GT Flash on linux is all cpu at the moment. Apparently adobe has talked about adding support for vdpau accaleration, but who knows if it will ever happen. On windows it can use directx for accaleration. So mostly a CPU issue. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 21:09:15 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:09:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Slow Flash video... cpu or video card? In-Reply-To: <20110105194400.GU12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <346565.70518.qm@web113402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110105194400.GU12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | Flash on linux is all cpu at the moment. Apparently adobe has talked | about adding support for vdpau accaleration, but who knows if it will | ever happen. This news is about a month old. This is a beta that apparently does exploit VDPAU (and maybe the Broadcom CrystalHD). Only 32-bit version on Linux so far). I haven't tried this. If you do, please report back with your experiences. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 21:21:05 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:21:05 -0500 Subject: Slow Flash video... cpu or video card? In-Reply-To: References: <346565.70518.qm@web113402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110105194400.GU12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110105212105.GV12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 04:09:15PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > This news is about a month old. > > > > > > This is a beta that apparently does exploit VDPAU (and maybe the > Broadcom CrystalHD). Only 32-bit version on Linux so far). > > I haven't tried this. If you do, please report back with your > experiences. Until adobe realizes no one gives a shit about 32bit anymore, it won't do much good for me. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 21:32:33 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:32:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Happy New Year! In-Reply-To: References: <0e18ca989221b487c2aaca4e5041ce47.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: | From: William Muriithi | - No sodas, ever. That is the worst product ever invented. Use water | or natural juice My understanding is that fructose is roughly as bad as glucose or sucrose. So natural juice is just as bad as pop if it is just as sweet and you drink as much. Note: I am not a medical doctor. Diabetes is a growing problem. There is currently a lot of research to find out why. A year ago I went to the Gairdner/Nobel and Gairdner Laureate Forums. The session on the Metabolic Syndrome seemed to be quite interesting and relevant but rather hard for me to follow. Something very strange going on with insulin receptors involving a complicated indirect pathway. Gairdner awards are considered predictive for Nobel Prizes. These are not run-of-the-mill researchers. Perhaps this would be a place to start (but I haven't read it so this isn't a strong recommendation): -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 21:33:36 2011 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:33:36 -0500 Subject: Linux 2.6.37 Released Message-ID: Taken from someone's post on Slashdot: "Version 2.6.37 of the Linux kernel has been released (http://lkml.org/lkml/2011/1/4/266). This version includes SMP scalability improvements for Ext4 and XFS, the removal of the Big Kernel Lock, support for per-cgroup IO throttling, a networking block device based on top of the Ceph clustered filesystem, several Btrfs improvements, more efficient static probes, perf support to probe modules, LZO compression in the hibernation image, PPP over IPv4 support, several networking microoptimizations and many other small changes, improvements and new drivers for devices like the Brocade BNA 10GB ethernet, Topcliff PCH gigabit, Atheros CARL9170, Atheros AR6003 and RealTek RTL8712U. The fanotify API has also been enabled. See the full changelog for more details (http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_37)." -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 21:46:04 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:46:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Slow Flash video... cpu or video card? In-Reply-To: <20110105212105.GV12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <346565.70518.qm@web113402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110105194400.GU12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110105212105.GV12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | Until adobe realizes no one gives a shit about 32bit anymore, it won't | do much good for me. :) I seem to remember that folks used some kind of Firefox plugin to mediate between a 64-bit Firefox and a 32-bit Flash. Is that still around or did it die when Adobe started releasing 64-bit versions for Linux? Although I avoid Flash, there are a couple of systems where this new Flash might be helpful: a netbook with a Broadcom Crystal HD and an Acer Revo with an nVidia ION chipset. The current alternative is Flash under MS Windows. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 22:22:09 2011 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:22:09 -0500 Subject: 3TB and Linux? In-Reply-To: <20110105194241.GT12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <582602.40418.qm@web113410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110105194241.GT12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 5 January 2011 14:42, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I see mentions of LBA32 which seems silly since LBA in the past has > always been LBA28 for old IDE and LBA48 for modern IDE and SCSI, and I > can't believe SATA would use anything other than LBA48. ?Some people are > talking about LBA64, which seems like nonsense. ?They also claim LBA48 > can only do 2.8TB, which is wrong. ?2^48 bytes would be 2.8TB, but LBA > is sector addreses, so 2^48 sectors using 512byte sectors is 1430TB. > It seems the real problem is some drivers only support 2^48 byte access > for some reason. ?Apparently some designs only support a 32bit sector > number internally, which means 2^32 sectors of 512 bytes which is 2TB. > Not an LBA problem at all though, since the interface is LBA48, just an > internal design problem. Today, a 2TB drive is "big." In 1994 a 2GB drive was "big." At that rate, we can expect 2PB drives around 2027 and you'll be wanting LBA64 considerably before that arrives. Preparing for the future doesn't hurt, and doing it well in advance is a lot less painful than doing it under pressure (witness IPv6 ...). [Of course I'm making dozens of assumptions: exponential increases in storage size will continue, sector sizes won't increase, etc. But I think the main argument stands.] -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 22:26:51 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:26:51 -0500 Subject: 3TB and Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <582602.40418.qm@web113410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110105194241.GT12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110105222651.GW12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 05:22:09PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > Today, a 2TB drive is "big." In 1994 a 2GB drive was "big." At that > rate, we can expect 2PB drives around 2027 and you'll be wanting LBA64 > considerably before that arrives. Preparing for the future doesn't > hurt, and doing it well in advance is a lot less painful than doing it > under pressure (witness IPv6 ...). We will see if SATA survives until 2027. It just might. Of course we might get a new interface more suited to SSDs than SATA by then. Certainly a number of new controllers support LBA64 already (Some did 5 years ago). > [Of course I'm making dozens of assumptions: exponential increases in > storage size will continue, sector sizes won't increase, etc. But I > think the main argument stands.] Sector sizes are already increasing to 4k on a number of drives. SSD especially wants to change the sector size. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 23:00:13 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 18:00:13 -0500 Subject: Anyone interested in mobilicity don't bother if you want to use VPN or VOIP Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I recently learned the Mobilicity does not support traffic for vpn. So if you want to VPN into a home server while tethering or tether into your office Mobilicity network will not work for you. Or if it does, they can stop it anytime. I guess that is why people like wind :) -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 23:02:00 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 18:02:00 -0500 Subject: Anyone interested in mobilicity don't bother if you want to use VPN or VOIP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why this bothers me the most is that if you call them, and say what internet restrictions are there, they will say none. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I recently learned the Mobilicity does not support traffic for vpn. So if > you want to VPN into a home server while tethering or tether into your > office Mobilicity network will not work for you. Or if it does, they can > stop it anytime. > > I guess that is why people like wind :) > > -- > > Dave Germiquet > > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 00:59:11 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 19:59:11 -0500 Subject: Anyone interested in mobilicity don't bother if you want to use VPN or VOIP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D2513DF.2030706@alteeve.com> On 01/05/2011 06:02 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Why this bothers me the most is that if you call them, and say what > internet restrictions are there, they will say none. I ran into something similar with Wind, actually. When I was looking to switch to them from Rogers, they told me that no ports were restricted. This turned out to be true only for their Internet sticks; A difference that the rep didn't understand. That said, they do open most/all well known ports, like VPN. I solved this in the end by setting up a gateway server that I can bounce through as needed. This turned out to be particularly beneficial as I've come to use screen on the remote gateway, which makes dropping signal a minor inconvenience. In summary, Wind is still good, but it is not wide open either. Further, *any* carrier can change their rules and open ports at any time, despite what they might say... -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 15:40:10 2011 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:40:10 -0500 Subject: Hard drive noises Message-ID: I have an old laptop (very old! 550MHz Celeron) that functions as my alarm clock. I'd use one of the Atom "nettops," but why bother while this thing still works? And that's the question of the day, is it still working ... The 20(?)GB HD in it died a couple months ago with a horrible death rattle - although as I think I mentioned, a freezer pack did wonders for getting the data off before it went into complete rigor mortis. I replaced that drive with a 40GB HD I had lying around. It made interesting ticking noises every sixty seconds or so - sort of a fast double-tick-slash-clunk noise. Not loud, but definitely mildly worrisome. And it did that for a month and a half until I replaced it with a brand new 320GB drive. Where this all gets interesting to me is when I hooked up the new drive to my desktop with an external USB adapter that evidently didn't supply enough power: the new drive made a series of horrible clonking noises until I unplugged it. I added external power and suddenly the drive was fine. Transferred the data I needed, stuffed the drive into the old laptop. The new drive "ticks" every once in a while, pretty regularly. Very quietly, but not when there's any apparent drive activity. So I've come up with a theory that the laptop power supply is producing a very slight under-voltage that could, perhaps, be damaging the drives over time. So is this possible? Likely? And is there any way to check? Any alternate theories? Or am I just paranoid? Thanks! -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 18:53:24 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 13:53:24 -0500 Subject: Hard drive noises In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110106185324.GX12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 10:40:10AM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > I have an old laptop (very old! 550MHz Celeron) that functions as my > alarm clock. I'd use one of the Atom "nettops," but why bother while > this thing still works? And that's the question of the day, is it > still working ... > > The 20(?)GB HD in it died a couple months ago with a horrible death > rattle - although as I think I mentioned, a freezer pack did wonders > for getting the data off before it went into complete rigor mortis. I > replaced that drive with a 40GB HD I had lying around. It made > interesting ticking noises every sixty seconds or so - sort of a fast > double-tick-slash-clunk noise. Not loud, but definitely mildly > worrisome. And it did that for a month and a half until I replaced it > with a brand new 320GB drive. Where this all gets interesting to me > is when I hooked up the new drive to my desktop with an external USB > adapter that evidently didn't supply enough power: the new drive made > a series of horrible clonking noises until I unplugged it. I added > external power and suddenly the drive was fine. Transferred the data > I needed, stuffed the drive into the old laptop. > > The new drive "ticks" every once in a while, pretty regularly. Very > quietly, but not when there's any apparent drive activity. So I've > come up with a theory that the laptop power supply is producing a very > slight under-voltage that could, perhaps, be damaging the drives over > time. So is this possible? Likely? And is there any way to check? > Any alternate theories? Or am I just paranoid? Thanks! I think some hard drives do head alignment checks regularly to deal with temperature changes and such. Could also just be parking the head when not busy to be safe. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 20:13:59 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:13:59 -0500 Subject: OT Digital Certificates Message-ID: <4D262287.3050005@gmail.com> I have digital certificates from startssl.com that are expiring soon. I've never used them. Currently my only use for them would be for encrypting and signing emails. Instead of getting new ones from startssl.com or should I roll my own? Should I get a free one from Verisign? Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marthter-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 22:12:51 2011 From: marthter-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (marthter) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:12:51 -0500 Subject: OT Digital Certificates In-Reply-To: <4D262287.3050005-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D262287.3050005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D263E63.8070204@yahoo.ca> On 11-01-06 03:13 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > I have digital certificates from startssl.com that are expiring soon. > I've never used them. Currently my only use for them would be for > encrypting and signing emails. Instead of getting new ones from > startssl.com or should I roll my own? Should I get a free one from > Verisign? > > Ivan. I've been using cacert.org since around 2006. It is a free collaborative approach to SSL certificates based on government-issued identity documents, where other previously-assured community members view your documents to verify that you are who you claim to be. They also have a process for verifying domain ownership for server certificates (not necessarily tied to the personal identity side of things). Their stated goal for all of that time has been to get their root certificate included into the pre-installed sets in various products. It seems they are in quite a few distros now but they still aren't in Firefox as there still seem to be some major hoops to jump through to allow them to pass an audit (in lieu of the prohibitively expensive WebTrust audit) http://wiki.cacert.org/InclusionStatus So you still have to put the root certificate into your browser before all the cacert-issued certificates will be trusted. (However this is not difficult, we even have our end users do it). http://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=3, (e.g. for Firefox, check boxes for "trust this CA to identify web sites / e-mail users / software developers".) So in some ways it is not much butter than self-signed,but for your stated purposes, I would think it would be fine, plus it gives you some management GUI, a way to revoke, some CRL (certificate revocation list) infrastructure, etc. In other ways it is much better as you can do wildcard certificates, multi-domain certificates on the same server (using subject-alt-name part of the standard), and I think even code signing (additional set of hoops). I think the free-from-Verisign (and similar) option will likely have restrictions like including your e-mail address but cannot include your name. Also I know a few list members besides myself are "assured" and are "assurers" in cacert parlance so it has something of a critical mass in Toronto. Good luck. 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I think the tick is the sound of the head being parked or something else to do with it being shutdown. > come up with a theory that the laptop power supply is producing a very > slight under-voltage that could, perhaps, be damaging the drives over > time. So is this possible? Likely? And is there any way to check? I don't think an under-voltage could damage the drive but it might be able to damage the data on the drive. I don't claim to be an electrical engineer though :) > Any alternate theories? Or am I just paranoid? Thanks! A little paranoia can be a good thing :) Remember: Backup any data that you care about. In my cases the drives in question are _for_ backups. The death of a single backup drive won't hurt me too much even if it occured at the same time that a system died. The death of multiple backup drives simultaneously would be concerning. Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Contributing member of Software in the Public Interest (http://spi-inc.org/) Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 19:35:55 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 14:35:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Hard drive noises In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's something I sent my family almost two years ago. It might or might not be relevant. I've slightly edited it. It deserves more but I don't have time at the moment. Subject: notebook hard disk stress on Ubuntu Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:14:10 -0400 (EDT) It seems as if there is a problem with some notebooks and Ubuntu. A notebook's hard drive heads can be "parked" at a furious rate causing the drives to wear out prematurely. Probably other Linux distros have this problem, but that doesn't matter to you. I don't know why there is no problem with desktop computers. I've read about the problem in these places: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielHahler/Bug59695#Affected hardware https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerManagement Look at the output of smartctl to see if this is a problem for you. Disks these days keep statistics of various times and report them through an interface called SMART (an acronym). The Linux program to deal with SMART is called smartctl. Here's what I would like you to do. At your convenience. 1) make sure that you have smartctl installed sudo smartctl --version If it isn't installed, Ubuntu will say so and tell you how to install it: sudo apt-get install smartmontools 2) capture the output of smartctl in a file called smartctl.LOG01: sudo script smartctl.LOG01 date smartctl -a /dev/sda exit 3) look at the line starting with "193 Load_Cycle_Count". Compare it with other numbers like power cycles (I don't remember the name of the attribute) and power on hours. 4) It would be interesting to see how things evolve. Could you do steps 2 and 3 again after you have used your notebook for a few hours more? Change all "smartctl.LOG01" to "smartctl.LOG02" so that we don't lose the old one. smartctl prints out a lot of information. Here is the most interesting line from redact, Mom's notebook: 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 092 092 000 Old_age Always - 83455 This says that the drive has put itself into and out of rest state 83455. This is apparently likely to be wearing out the drive. To put that number in perspective, the machine has been powered on 517 times and has been on for a total of 1243 hours. So these load cycles are happening at a rate of more than one a minute (including the vast majority of the time when the computer is sitting there powered on but unused). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 8 19:08:11 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:08:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: interesting review of Samsung Galaxy Tab Message-ID: This describes the crippling done by Samsung and AT&T. Yuck. This is on an interesting Asterisk-oriented blog. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 16:07:58 2011 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:07:58 -0500 Subject: Hard drive noises In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7 January 2011 14:35, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Here's something I sent my family almost two years ago. ?It might or > might not be relevant. > > I've slightly edited it. ?It deserves more but I don't have time at > the moment. > > Subject: notebook hard disk stress on Ubuntu > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:14:10 -0400 (EDT) > > It seems as if there is a problem with some notebooks and Ubuntu. ?A > notebook's hard drive heads can be "parked" at a furious rate causing > the drives to wear out prematurely. ?Probably other Linux distros have > this problem, but that doesn't matter to you. > > I don't know why there is no problem with desktop computers. > > I've read about the problem in these places: > ?https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielHahler/Bug59695#Affected hardware > ?https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695 > ?https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerManagement > > Look at the output of smartctl to see if this is a problem for you. > > Disks these days keep statistics of various times and report them > through an interface called SMART (an acronym). ?The Linux program to > deal with SMART is called smartctl. > > Here's what I would like you to do. ?At your convenience. > > 1) make sure that you have smartctl installed > ? ? ? ?sudo smartctl --version > > ? If it isn't installed, Ubuntu will say so and tell you how to > ? install it: > ? ? ? ?sudo apt-get install smartmontools > > 2) capture the output of smartctl in a file called smartctl.LOG01: > ? ? ? ?sudo script smartctl.LOG01 > ? ? ? ?date > ? ? ? ?smartctl -a /dev/sda > ? ? ? ?exit > > 3) look at the line starting with "193 Load_Cycle_Count". ?Compare it > ? with other numbers like power cycles (I don't remember the name of > ? the attribute) and power on hours. > > 4) It would be interesting to see how things evolve. ?Could you do steps > ? 2 and 3 again after you have used your notebook for a few hours more? > ? Change all "smartctl.LOG01" to "smartctl.LOG02" so that we don't lose > ? the old one. > > smartctl prints out a lot of information. ?Here is the most > interesting line from redact, Mom's notebook: > > 193 Load_Cycle_Count ? ? ? ?0x0012 ? 092 ? 092 ? 000 ? ?Old_age ? Always ? ? ? - ? ? ? 83455 > > This says that the drive has put itself into and out of rest state > 83455. ?This is apparently likely to be wearing out the drive. > > To put that number in perspective, the machine has been powered on 517 > times and has been on for a total of 1243 hours. ?So these load cycles > are happening at a rate of more than one a minute (including the vast > majority of the time when the computer is sitting there powered on but > unused). Thank you Hugh! When testing yesterday, I discovered that the drive had been power-cycled 28 times, but load-cycled 5100 times. The Debian system had set itself up such that it was load-cycling the drive every 20 seconds. Load cycle life on most drives is in the neighbourhood of 600,000 and it would take a long time to get there (five to ten years with my use-pattern), but I suspect that behaviour accelerated the death of the previous drive. I added this: /dev/sda { apm = 254 } to /etc/hdparm.conf and the problem was fixed. Ubuntu appears to have addressed the problem in Lucid. Debian doesn't seem to have done anything about it (I got the most recent updates and still had the problem before applying a fix myself), and that my OS endangers my hardware (even in what they refer to as "a very small number of cases") disgusts me. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 01:25:56 2011 From: avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Volkov) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 20:25:56 -0500 Subject: Admin/developer job Message-ID: <1294709156.3348.24.camel@alex-laptop.vlk.int> Hello Everyone, Uken games -- a social game studio is looking for sysadmin/web engineer (someone who knows a bit of linux and programming). http://jobs.davidcrow.ca/job/web-engineer-toronto-on-canada-uken-games-d1361b02b8/?d=1&source=site_home http://jobs.davidcrow.ca/job/linux-system-administrator-toronto-on-canada-uken-games-f76b4e7f46/?d=1&source=site_home They apparently taking their time and going over every resume, what the ad doesn't say, they want someone not only to manage their MySQL servers but also to optimize their queries, still give it a shot -- even I got an interview this morning, which then proceeded to royally screw up, the icing on the cake was a stupidly simple programming question which of course I got wrong. Let's just say sorting huge array is not the most efficient way of finding duplicate elements, and I gave that answer in the most dickish way possible. Dear God, I have become a PHP programmer. Please, mock me tomorrow or I'll never learn. Alex. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 02:40:17 2011 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:40:17 -0500 Subject: Admin/developer job In-Reply-To: <1294709156.3348.24.camel-IQZxulZUYND6oajY/uyIfbiLipseT2r8@public.gmane.org> References: <1294709156.3348.24.camel@alex-laptop.vlk.int> Message-ID: <4D2BC311.1030808@alteeve.com> Alex Volkov wrote: > ... the > icing on the cake was a stupidly simple programming question which of > course I got wrong. ... and I gave that answer in > the most dickish way possible. > We all have our off days. I hurts now, but you'll probability laugh at it later. (If you're not already laughing to keep your sanity. ;) ) Lance -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 02:59:32 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:59:32 -0500 Subject: make a networked printer available to a subnet In-Reply-To: <20110103223427.GO12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100916150931.GE8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110103223427.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 01:05:02AM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: >> Should this work automatically for a Windows client? Or do I need >> Samba to share a printer to Windows? > > It's automatic for most linux systems, and Mac OS X systems. ?Windows > being Microsoft has to do things it own way and hence makes it hard. > > You can either share with samba, or you can actually use it directly > from windows. > > So if you have a printer in cups named "My_Printer_123", then in windows > you can install a printer by asking it to add a new printer, tell it to > add a network printer and use the URL: > > http://printerserver:631/printers/My_Printer_123 and then pick the right > driver for windows to use the printer of course. > > Mac and Linux being natively postscript don't need drivers on the client, > Windows being stupid and making the client do the rendering work and > then sending tons of bitmap data across the network does need a driver. > Is there anything Windows _can't_ do wrong? ;) Thanks! -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 05:48:04 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 00:48:04 -0500 Subject: Admin/developer job In-Reply-To: <1294709156.3348.24.camel-IQZxulZUYND6oajY/uyIfbiLipseT2r8@public.gmane.org> References: <1294709156.3348.24.camel@alex-laptop.vlk.int> Message-ID: If you were on a tight memory system, wouldn't the O(logN) sort be best, but on assumed resources available the O(1) hash table is what they wanted in the answer? Of course a grossly small hash would end up doing mostly linear runs in the overflow buckets, making it worst then O(logN) sort. And if memory was really restricted, a exhaustive scan and mark would be the only way O(N^2) with only a bit needed for each (in additional storage). I am assuming the question had some "additional info" ? tl On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Alex Volkov wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Uken games -- a social game studio is looking for sysadmin/web engineer > (someone who knows a bit of linux and programming). > > http://jobs.davidcrow.ca/job/web-engineer-toronto-on-canada-uken-games-d1361b02b8/?d=1&source=site_home > http://jobs.davidcrow.ca/job/linux-system-administrator-toronto-on-canada-uken-games-f76b4e7f46/?d=1&source=site_home > > > They apparently taking their time and going over every resume, what the > ad doesn't say, they want someone not only to manage their MySQL servers > but also to optimize their queries, still give it a shot -- even I got > an interview this morning, which then proceeded to royally screw up, the > icing on the cake was a stupidly simple programming question which of > course I got wrong. Let's just say sorting huge array is not the most > efficient way of finding duplicate elements, and I gave that answer in > the most dickish way possible. > > Dear God, I have become a PHP programmer. Please, mock me tomorrow or > I'll never learn. > > Alex. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 05:53:13 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 00:53:13 -0500 Subject: Admin/developer job In-Reply-To: References: <1294709156.3348.24.camel@alex-laptop.vlk.int> Message-ID: ops, hash would be O(N) (O(1) per insert, N of them). and O(NLogN+N) = O(NLogN) for sort. i had factored out the N tl On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:48 AM, ted leslie wrote: > If you were on a tight memory system, wouldn't the O(logN) sort be best, > but on assumed resources available the O(1) hash table is what they > wanted in the answer? > Of course a grossly small hash would end up doing mostly linear runs > in the overflow buckets, making it worst then O(logN) sort. > And if memory was really restricted, a exhaustive scan and mark would > be the only way O(N^2) with only a bit needed for each (in additional > storage). > I am assuming the question had some "additional info" ? > tl > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Alex Volkov wrote: >> Hello Everyone, >> >> Uken games -- a social game studio is looking for sysadmin/web engineer >> (someone who knows a bit of linux and programming). >> >> http://jobs.davidcrow.ca/job/web-engineer-toronto-on-canada-uken-games-d1361b02b8/?d=1&source=site_home >> http://jobs.davidcrow.ca/job/linux-system-administrator-toronto-on-canada-uken-games-f76b4e7f46/?d=1&source=site_home >> >> >> They apparently taking their time and going over every resume, what the >> ad doesn't say, they want someone not only to manage their MySQL servers >> but also to optimize their queries, still give it a shot -- even I got >> an interview this morning, which then proceeded to royally screw up, the >> icing on the cake was a stupidly simple programming question which of >> course I got wrong. Let's just say sorting huge array is not the most >> efficient way of finding duplicate elements, and I gave that answer in >> the most dickish way possible. >> >> Dear God, I have become a PHP programmer. Please, mock me tomorrow or >> I'll never learn. >> >> Alex. >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 12:34:15 2011 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 07:34:15 -0500 Subject: Admin/developer job In-Reply-To: References: <1294709156.3348.24.camel@alex-laptop.vlk.int> Message-ID: <4D2C4E47.2040807@the-wire.com> On 11-01-11 12:48 AM, ted leslie wrote: > If you were on a tight memory system, wouldn't the O(logN) sort be best, > but on assumed resources available the O(1) hash table is what they > wanted in the answer? > Of course a grossly small hash would end up doing mostly linear runs > in the overflow buckets, making it worst then O(logN) sort. > And if memory was really restricted, a exhaustive scan and mark would > be the only way O(N^2) with only a bit needed for each (in additional > storage). > I am assuming the question had some "additional info" ? I'm not so sure of this one myself. Why is the array huge? If it's a huge number of small elements then coercing each element to an integer and making a bit map of values present might work (a la Programming Pearls.) If it's a small number of huge elements, then sorting a list of index values. I'd like to work SHA-1 hashes into this, but I suspect that's how I blew this question myself a few years ago. Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 14:18:35 2011 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 09:18:35 -0500 Subject: OT: Computer Science Distinguished Lecture Series at U of T Message-ID: <4D2C66BB.3010408@gmail.com> All talks are at 11:00 am Bahen Centre, Room 1180 40 St. George Street Social Networks Offline Tuesday, January 18 Nicholas A. Christakis Department of Medicine, Health Care Policy and Sociology Harvard University http://goo.gl/jA0ox Computational Models of Common-Sense Theories Tuesday, February 15 Josh Tenenbaum Department of Brain and Cognitive Sciences MIT http://goo.gl/BBUm7 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 16:00:40 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:00:40 -0500 Subject: make a networked printer available to a subnet In-Reply-To: References: <20100916150931.GE8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110103223427.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110111160040.GY12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 09:59:32PM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: > Is there anything Windows _can't_ do wrong? ;) Not if it involves networking. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 16:27:32 2011 From: avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Volkov) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:27:32 -0500 Subject: Admin/developer job In-Reply-To: References: <1294709156.3348.24.camel@alex-laptop.vlk.int> Message-ID: <1294763252.3179.2.camel@alex-laptop.vlk.int> Yep that's the correct answer, it hit me several hours later, whereas during the interview I chose not to exercise my brain power, or at least that's what I keep telling myself. Alex. On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 00:53 -0500, ted leslie wrote: > ops, hash would be O(N) (O(1) per insert, N of them). > and O(NLogN+N) = O(NLogN) for sort. > i had factored out the N > tl > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:48 AM, ted leslie wrote: > > If you were on a tight memory system, wouldn't the O(logN) sort be best, > > but on assumed resources available the O(1) hash table is what they > > wanted in the answer? > > Of course a grossly small hash would end up doing mostly linear runs > > in the overflow buckets, making it worst then O(logN) sort. > > And if memory was really restricted, a exhaustive scan and mark would > > be the only way O(N^2) with only a bit needed for each (in additional > > storage). > > I am assuming the question had some "additional info" ? > > tl > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Alex Volkov wrote: > >> Hello Everyone, > >> > >> Uken games -- a social game studio is looking for sysadmin/web engineer > >> (someone who knows a bit of linux and programming). > >> > >> http://jobs.davidcrow.ca/job/web-engineer-toronto-on-canada-uken-games-d1361b02b8/?d=1&source=site_home > >> http://jobs.davidcrow.ca/job/linux-system-administrator-toronto-on-canada-uken-games-f76b4e7f46/?d=1&source=site_home > >> > >> > >> They apparently taking their time and going over every resume, what the > >> ad doesn't say, they want someone not only to manage their MySQL servers > >> but also to optimize their queries, still give it a shot -- even I got > >> an interview this morning, which then proceeded to royally screw up, the > >> icing on the cake was a stupidly simple programming question which of > >> course I got wrong. Let's just say sorting huge array is not the most > >> efficient way of finding duplicate elements, and I gave that answer in > >> the most dickish way possible. > >> > >> Dear God, I have become a PHP programmer. Please, mock me tomorrow or > >> I'll never learn. > >> > >> Alex. > >> > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > >> > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 17:13:17 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:13:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Admin/developer job In-Reply-To: <4D2C4E47.2040807-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <1294709156.3348.24.camel@alex-laptop.vlk.int> <4D2C4E47.2040807@the-wire.com> Message-ID: | From: Mel Wilson | I'd like to work SHA-1 hashes into this, but I suspect that's how I blew this | question myself a few years ago. SHA-1 is a cryptographic hash. It costs quite a bit to compute and is only worth it if you need cryptographic properties. SHA-1 may not be secure enough for cryptographic purposes. There is a real need for a new crypto hash that is safe. I think Red Hat has switched the SHA-256 for at least some purposes. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 22:50:06 2011 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:50:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Looking for a web developer In-Reply-To: <4D228ECD.3030307-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4D228ECD.3030307@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <715804.54946.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi, I was looking for a web developer who will work as independent contractor. If any one is interested or know someone who will be interested, please send me your resume off list. Thanks, EK -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 22:53:42 2011 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:53:42 -0500 Subject: OT: An Interview With C++ Creator Bjarne Stroustrup Message-ID: Here's an article for those of you who are programmers, unfortunately the site has been /., so you'll have to wait a while to read the article: http://www.codeguru.com/cpp/misc/article.php/c18357/An-Interview-with-C-Creator-Bjarne-Stroustrup.htm -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 22:55:50 2011 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:55:50 -0500 Subject: Looking for a web developer In-Reply-To: <715804.54946.qm-0RkZbrhdlmH5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <4D228ECD.3030307@ve3syb.ca> <715804.54946.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 17:50, E K wrote: > Hi, > > I was looking for a web developer who will work as independent contractor. If any one is interested or know someone who will be interested, please send me your resume off list. > > Thanks, > EK > I would've gladly applied for this, but my skills are 12 years out of date, because I never could get a job in the field after spending months taking a Web Desing/Developer course, so I never really bothered to keep up any skills I had. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 12 20:35:44 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:35:44 -0500 Subject: Looking for a web developer In-Reply-To: <715804.54946.qm-0RkZbrhdlmH5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <4D228ECD.3030307@ve3syb.ca> <715804.54946.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:50 PM, E K wrote: > Hi, > > I was looking for a web developer who will work as independent contractor. If any one is interested or know someone who will be interested, please send me your resume off list. > > Thanks, > EK it might help if you're more specific about the kind of web developer skills you're looking for. I honestly don't know what the minimum skills are require to call someone a web developer? Will only HTML suffice? Do you need to work with a database, do you need to setup up a linux web sever, etc? what about modern language and frameworks like ruby on rails, python + django, or maybe a LAMP hacker, do you need javascript skills, with know-how of jquery? -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-22-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 12 21:40:00 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:40:00 -0500 Subject: Admin/developer job In-Reply-To: <1294709156.3348.24.camel-IQZxulZUYND6oajY/uyIfbiLipseT2r8@public.gmane.org> References: <1294709156.3348.24.camel@alex-laptop.vlk.int> Message-ID: off the top of my head, I would have said in-place quick sort, don't need extra memory O(n log n) for sorting then linear probe list in O(n) time but a good bucket sort (hashing) with equal distribution is probably faster in actual use. it's a divide and conqueror algorithm. questions like this, they doesn't expect you to get right, they expect you can think your way through it, even if its not the best answer, they are looking for someone who can break down a problem next time try to stay loose =) On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Alex Volkov wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Uken games -- a social game studio is looking for sysadmin/web engineer > (someone who knows a bit of linux and programming). > > http://jobs.davidcrow.ca/job/web-engineer-toronto-on-canada-uken-games-d1361b02b8/?d=1&source=site_home > http://jobs.davidcrow.ca/job/linux-system-administrator-toronto-on-canada-uken-games-f76b4e7f46/?d=1&source=site_home > > > They apparently taking their time and going over every resume, what the > ad doesn't say, they want someone not only to manage their MySQL servers > but also to optimize their queries, still give it a shot -- even I got > an interview this morning, which then proceeded to royally screw up, the > icing on the cake was a stupidly simple programming question which of > course I got wrong. Let's just say sorting huge array is not the most > efficient way of finding duplicate elements, and I gave that answer in > the most dickish way possible. > > Dear God, I have become a PHP programmer. Please, mock me tomorrow or > I'll never learn. > > Alex. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-22-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 20:22:28 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:22:28 -0500 Subject: SSL and the use of Private address Message-ID: Afternoon pals, I got a quick question. I have bought an ssl from veriSign this morning. I have applied it to one of our system and all went well. However, when I point the browser to the system, I get an ssl error. I can see all the details seem sound, the subject part is correct, so is the issuer section, public key etc, but it fails, according to safari because of host name mismatch. That is odd, because when I type hostname on the console, it matches the "common name" in the subject section on the certificate. Google say this is the reason for this error, but happen not to the case in this situation. My only guess is it may be freaking out because the domain we have on the certificate resolves into a private IP. I know, its not proper according to RFC, but remember this is 2011 and public IP are becoming an issue so was hoping to work around that since its a server that will be used internally only. Anyway, question is, considering the IP information is not passed to VeriSign, can the use of private IP end up breaking a certificate? William William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 20:31:05 2011 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:31:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Admin/developer job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <300144.35411.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> However, if I get the question right, it is how to find duplicate in MySQL database. In that case, the best way is to write an SQL query with a WHERE clause and let MySQL do it. Wheather MySQL do sorting or hashing or whatever magic, it is internal to MySQL. If it is simple query, then the only thing I can think of is identify the key fields to include in the WHERE clause. Query optimization is a question that arise when there is multiple JOIN involved and it is more about which JOIN to run first. I try to deal with that at set operations level rather than from under the database engine. I had to deal with hash tables when I had to write my own database engine back in the 80's. EK --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > From: Rajinder Yadav > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Admin/developer job > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 4:40 PM > off the top of my head, I would have > said in-place quick sort, don't > need extra memory > > O(n log n) for sorting > then linear probe list in O(n) time > > but a good bucket sort (hashing) with equal distribution is > probably > faster in actual use. it's a divide and conqueror > algorithm. > > questions like this, they doesn't expect you to get right, > they expect > you can think your way through it, even if its not the best > answer, > they are looking for someone who can break down a problem > > next time try to stay loose =) > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Alex Volkov > wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > > > Uken games -- a social game studio is looking for > sysadmin/web engineer > > (someone who knows a bit of linux and programming). > > > > http://jobs.davidcrow.ca/job/web-engineer-toronto-on-canada-uken-games-d1361b02b8/?d=1&source=site_home > > http://jobs.davidcrow.ca/job/linux-system-administrator-toronto-on-canada-uken-games-f76b4e7f46/?d=1&source=site_home > > > > > > They apparently taking their time and going over every > resume, what the > > ad doesn't say, they want someone not only to manage > their MySQL servers > > but also to optimize their queries, still give it a > shot -- even I got > > an interview this morning, which then proceeded to > royally screw up, the > > icing on the cake was a stupidly simple programming > question which of > > course I got wrong. Let's just say sorting huge array > is not the most > > efficient way of finding duplicate elements, and I > gave that answer in > > the most dickish way possible. > > > > Dear God, I have become a PHP programmer. Please, mock > me tomorrow or > > I'll never learn. > > > > Alex. > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below > 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely > > GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-22-generic > Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 > Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.1 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 00:26:29 2011 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:26:29 -0500 Subject: 1 Second Linux Boot To QT! Message-ID: Just found on Slashdot, here's a brief excerpt with the link to follow (there's a video that accompanies the article): "At the end of last year, to demonstrate my company's swiftBoot service, I put together a rather impressive demo. Using a Renesas MS7724 development board I was able to achieve a one second cold Linux boot to a QT application. Here's the demo..." http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/2011/1-second-linux-boot-to-qt/ -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 02:48:02 2011 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:48:02 -0500 Subject: SSL and the use of Private address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you buy the cert for www.domain.tld or domain.tld? Usually when I've encountered this problem in the hosting world it's because someone buys it with the www and then visits the site without it. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:22 PM, William Muriithi < william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Afternoon pals, > > I got a quick question. I have bought an ssl from veriSign this > morning. I have applied it to one of our system and all went well. > However, when I point the browser to the system, I get an ssl error. > > I can see all the details seem sound, the subject part is correct, so > is the issuer section, public key etc, but it fails, according to > safari because of host name mismatch. That is odd, because when I > type hostname on the console, it matches the "common name" in the > subject section on the certificate. Google say this is the reason for > this error, but happen not to the case in this situation. > > My only guess is it may be freaking out because the domain we have on > the certificate resolves into a private IP. I know, its not proper > according to RFC, but remember this is 2011 and public IP are becoming > an issue so was hoping to work around that since its a server that > will be used internally only. > > Anyway, question is, considering the IP information is not passed to > VeriSign, can the use of private IP end up breaking a certificate? > > William > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 03:10:52 2011 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:10:52 -0500 Subject: 1 Second Linux Boot To QT! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <850eb97ec574a20ec19a928e8ef77849.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> > Just found on Slashdot, here's a brief excerpt with the link to follow > (there's a video that accompanies the article): > > "At the end of last year, to demonstrate my company's swiftBoot > service, I put together a rather impressive demo. Using a Renesas > MS7724 development board I was able to achieve a one second cold Linux > boot to a QT application. Here's the demo..." > > http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/2011/1-second-linux-boot-to-qt/ > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon ...and here I was thinking my brothers new SSD was quick :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 06:52:06 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 01:52:06 -0500 Subject: 3TB and Linux? In-Reply-To: <582602.40418.qm-iGg6QNsgFOE/JfqJOfUXs/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <582602.40418.qm@web113410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110114065206.GA14910@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 08:18:34AM -0800, William Park wrote: > Anyone using 3TB harddisk on Linux? > Do you have to use any special PCIe card or vendor supplied drivers? > Is the disk on SATA port or USB port? > > Specs for WD 3TB disk says that Linux needs special PCIe card (hinting > that it's chipset issue) which ships with the WD 3TB disk. But, specs > for Hitachi 3TB disk doesn't mention about requiring special PCIe > card, but does mention whole other things about GUID partition table, > UEFI BIOS, etc. Okey, I bought Hitachi 3TB 7200rpm 6Gbps. It seems that GNU "parted" is the only program that can handle its size. It complains that /dev/sdg1 is not aligned properly, until you move the beginning to 1MB. Don't understand, and too messy. Since this will be "backup" disk, I decided to use the entire disk /dev/sdg without partitioning. It's going well. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 13:52:28 2011 From: instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (aaron d) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:52:28 -0500 Subject: 3TB and Linux? In-Reply-To: <20110114065206.GA14910-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <582602.40418.qm@web113410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110114065206.GA14910@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: look up GPT. On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:52 AM, William Park wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 08:18:34AM -0800, William Park wrote: > > Anyone using 3TB harddisk on Linux? > > Do you have to use any special PCIe card or vendor supplied drivers? > > Is the disk on SATA port or USB port? > > > > Specs for WD 3TB disk says that Linux needs special PCIe card (hinting > > that it's chipset issue) which ships with the WD 3TB disk. But, specs > > for Hitachi 3TB disk doesn't mention about requiring special PCIe > > card, but does mention whole other things about GUID partition table, > > UEFI BIOS, etc. > > Okey, I bought Hitachi 3TB 7200rpm 6Gbps. It seems that GNU "parted" is > the only program that can handle its size. It complains that /dev/sdg1 > is not aligned properly, until you move the beginning to 1MB. Don't > understand, and too messy. > > Since this will be "backup" disk, I decided to use the entire disk > /dev/sdg without partitioning. It's going well. > -- > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When I use the domain name, all is fine. > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:22 PM, William Muriithi > wrote: >> >> Afternoon pals, >> >> I got a quick question. ?I have bought an ssl from veriSign this >> morning. ?I have applied it to one of our system and all went well. >> However, when I point the browser to the system, I get an ssl error. >> >> I can see all the details seem sound, the subject part is correct, so >> is the issuer section, public key etc, but it fails, according to >> safari because of host name mismatch. ?That is odd, because when I >> type hostname on the console, it matches the "common name" in the >> subject section on the certificate. Google say this is the reason for >> this error, but happen not to the case in this situation. >> >> My only guess is it may be freaking out because the domain we have on >> the certificate resolves into a private IP. ?I know, its not proper >> according to RFC, but remember this is 2011 and public IP are becoming >> an issue so was hoping to work around that since its a server that >> will be used internally only. >> >> Anyway, question is, considering the IP information is not passed to >> VeriSign, can the use of private IP end up breaking a certificate? >> >> William >> William >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 14:38:17 2011 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:38:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Hard drive noises In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Jan 2011, Giles Orr wrote: > When testing yesterday, I discovered that the drive had been > power-cycled 28 times, but load-cycled 5100 times. The Debian system > had set itself up such that it was load-cycling the drive every 20 > seconds. Load cycle life on most drives is in the neighbourhood of > 600,000 and it would take a long time to get there (five to ten years > with my use-pattern), but I suspect that behaviour accelerated the > death of the previous drive. I added this: > > /dev/sda { > apm = 254 > } > > to /etc/hdparm.conf and the problem was fixed. > > Ubuntu appears to have addressed the problem in Lucid. Debian doesn't > seem to have done anything about it (I got the most recent updates and Hi Giles. Are you on Lenny or Squeeze? I wouldn't expect such a large behavioural change to occur on Lenny since Debian aims towards consistent behaviour in the Stable branch, even if that consistent behaviour is broken (in general). It's probably already too late for Squeeze but I'd recommend filing a bug report. Email the bug number and I'll comment on it too. > still had the problem before applying a fix myself), and that my OS > endangers my hardware (even in what they refer to as "a very small > number of cases") disgusts me. It may simply be an oversight, albeit a bad one. Or they may have found enough problems with tweaking SMART settings that it made sense to avoid having it as the default. Over the years Linux has had a number of apparently suboptimal defaults that were there because the optimum strategy was found to hard lock 1% of boxes on install. The argument is that the installer should maximise chances of a successful install. Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Contributing member of Software in the Public Interest (http://spi-inc.org/) Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 22:24:06 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:24:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Hard drive noises In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Robert Brockway | > still had the problem before applying a fix myself), and that my OS | > endangers my hardware (even in what they refer to as "a very small | > number of cases") disgusts me. | | It may simply be an oversight, albeit a bad one. Or they may have found | enough problems with tweaking SMART settings that it made sense to avoid | having it as the default. Over the years Linux has had a number of apparently | suboptimal defaults that were there because the optimum strategy was found to | hard lock 1% of boxes on install. The argument is that the installer should | maximise chances of a successful install. I don't remember exactly what the problem is. But I'll talk as if I do :-) I think that Linux periodically accesses the drive (for sync? but why, if there is no change (assuming noatime)). These drives go to sleep (unload the heads) after a period of inactivity. This reduces power and heat and wear: all good things. The length of this period can be set but has a default. On some drives, this default period is shorter than the Linux activity cycle period. So: in the normal course, the drive sleeps and wakes at a fairly rapid rate. Why did this start happening? Because some drive manufacturers set the default period to a very small number of seconds. This isn't a Linux change AFAIK. I presume that this small number fits MS Windows behaviour. So: who is to blame? Disk drive manufacturers (if anyone). At the very least, they ought to have warned consumers or Linux distros or someone. So: what is the expedient fix? Turn off the sleeping behaviour. That's what Giles did. The correct fix (that someone might have done) would be to find out if a certain threshold meshes with Linux behaviour and have Linux set the drive appropriately. Unfortunately, the meanings of the parameter values are undocumented AFAIK and possibly different for each drive model or drive manufacturer. Perhaps the Linux periodic access is pointless and could be eliminated. That's the reason for noatime, but there might be other periodic accesses that should be ditched. I remember a periodic linux access to CD burners that screwed some burners up (periodic query: "do I have a CD loaded?"). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 18:49:58 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:49:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: 2011 (Ottawa) Linux Symposium Message-ID: The 2011 Linux Symposium have will be from June 13th to 15th in Ottawa. A draft CFP is on the site Since it is a draft, you can make suggestions for impovements to Andrew. I have gone to this most years. I recommend it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 21:10:19 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:10:19 -0500 Subject: 3TB and Linux? -- yes, it works In-Reply-To: References: <582602.40418.qm@web113410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110114065206.GA14910@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110115211019.GA4027@node1.opengeometry.net> Thanks. After reading a bit, this is what I did: - download 'gdisk'. Slackware doesn't have it yet. - make a single partition (/dev/sdg1), accepting all the defaults from 'gdisk'. It starts from 2048 sector to the end. - install LILO to "MBR" of /dev/sdg as usual. - boot I was able to boot on my AM2 motherboard with old BIOS. This was surprise, because I thought I had to use UEFI BIOS which can only be found in new LGA1155 (Sandy Bridge) motherboards. -- William On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 08:52:28AM -0500, aaron d wrote: > look up GPT. > > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:52 AM, William Park wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 08:18:34AM -0800, William Park wrote: > > > Anyone using 3TB harddisk on Linux? > > > Do you have to use any special PCIe card or vendor supplied drivers? > > > Is the disk on SATA port or USB port? > > > > > > Specs for WD 3TB disk says that Linux needs special PCIe card (hinting > > > that it's chipset issue) which ships with the WD 3TB disk. But, specs > > > for Hitachi 3TB disk doesn't mention about requiring special PCIe > > > card, but does mention whole other things about GUID partition table, > > > UEFI BIOS, etc. > > > > Okey, I bought Hitachi 3TB 7200rpm 6Gbps. It seems that GNU "parted" is > > the only program that can handle its size. It complains that /dev/sdg1 > > is not aligned properly, until you move the beginning to 1MB. Don't > > understand, and too messy. > > > > Since this will be "backup" disk, I decided to use the entire disk > > /dev/sdg without partitioning. It's going well. > > -- > > William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 16 18:59:53 2011 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:59:53 -0500 Subject: Interesting article on Stuxnet Worm in Todays NYT Message-ID: <1295204393.4047.11.camel@jimslaptop> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/world/middleeast/16stuxnet.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha2 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 17 20:26:32 2011 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:26:32 -0500 Subject: OT: DisplayPort to VGA adapter? Message-ID: Does anyone near the 401 and Yonge area have a DisplayPort to VGA adapter that I could borrow for a couple days? A computer I'm working on (Windows XP) has a DisplayPort as well as a VGA out, the monitor is currently on the VGA out. I want to see if I can get a dual head set up using the DisplayPort as well. Info on the computer (an HP Compaq dc7900) online suggests this will work fine, but I'd like to test before I invest money in an adapter and another monitor. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 17 17:08:27 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:08:27 -0500 Subject: 3TB and Linux? -- yes, it works In-Reply-To: <20110115211019.GA4027-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <582602.40418.qm@web113410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110114065206.GA14910@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110115211019.GA4027@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110117170827.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 04:10:19PM -0500, William Park wrote: > Thanks. After reading a bit, this is what I did: > - download 'gdisk'. Slackware doesn't have it yet. > - make a single partition (/dev/sdg1), accepting all the defaults > from 'gdisk'. It starts from 2048 sector to the end. > - install LILO to "MBR" of /dev/sdg as usual. > - boot > > I was able to boot on my AM2 motherboard with old BIOS. This was > surprise, because I thought I had to use UEFI BIOS which can only be > found in new LGA1155 (Sandy Bridge) motherboards. No, 64bit windows requires EFI to boot from GPT disks. 32bit windows can't at all. Linux has no such problem (both lilo (because it block maps, although unless lilo is 64bit block capable rather than 32, some day lilo will unexpectedly not work for you) and grub2 (because it supports large disks and GPT natively) work fine. As long as your kernel and boot loader files are early enough on the disk, or your BIOS and bootloader has no issue with LBA numbers that are more than 32bits, you should not have issues. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 02:22:39 2011 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:22:39 -0500 Subject: midi on ubuntu? Message-ID: Hi folks, My daughter has borrowed a midi keyboard -- the m-audio oxygen-8, which has a usb out. She wants to use it to do some basic composition. I myself know very little about music and less about MIDI, but would like to help her connect to the family ubuntu box. That box runs ubuntu 10.10, and so uses pulseaudio for things like watching tv. I'd rather not screw that up by trying to install jack and all that but I'll do so in a clean profile if I must. Anyone out there have experience with MIDI, especially under a recent ubuntu? All I really need is for the keyboard to work as a kind of mini-piano. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 13:54:01 2011 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 08:54:01 -0500 Subject: midi on ubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Short answer: it will work, go ahead and install Jack. :-) Long answer: Most USB MIDI controllers these days are class-compliant devices. This means they don't really need drivers to work on all modern operating systems. This also applies to many USB soundcards (better saying: soundbricks, since they're external), although the number of supported features may vary - especially if you have a more professional one with several I/O options. As for software, you'll probably need Jack anyway. Also try to find a low latency or realtime kernel in the repository, as it will make the sound system much more responsive. And don't forget to trash PulseAudio immediately. It serves no purpose and WILL screw everything up sooner or later. - Fabio On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 21:22, Matt Price wrote: > Hi folks, > > My daughter has borrowed a midi keyboard -- the m-audio oxygen-8, which has > a usb out.? She wants to use it to do some basic composition.? I myself know > very little about music and less about MIDI, but would like to help her > connect to the family ubuntu box.? That box runs ubuntu 10.10, and so uses > pulseaudio for things like watching tv.? I'd rather not screw that up by > trying to install jack and all that but I'll do so in a clean profile if I > must.? Anyone out there have experience with MIDI, especially under a recent > ubuntu?? All I really need is for the keyboard to work as a kind of > mini-piano. > > Thanks as always, folks.? best, > Matt > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 17:03:15 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:03:15 -0500 Subject: [OT] I/O panel for case/motherboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Thomas Milne wrote: > In the instructions for a new case it talks about what to do if your > motherboard does not correspond exactly with the default 'I/O panel'. > It says one should contact the manufacturer of their motherboard for a > proper replacement. > > I have an Asus motherboard, so I went to the Asus site, but can find > nothing on there about where to find these items. > > Anyone know where these can be obtained? > > Many thanks! I am a little unclear as where your problem is and how to help. It used to be motherboard IO ports followed one fairly standard layout and case manufactures punched holes in their cases to match that layout. Then the motherboard makers started integrating extra features onto the motherboard and the number and layout of holes needed started getting ... interesting. To cope with this the case makers left a rectangular hole in the back of the case that would come with a snap-out IO panel (that corresponded to the old generic layout) and as required the motherboard makers would when required include a small replacement IO panel. So, if you have a new case into which you are moving an old motherboard, just remove the old IO panel from the old case along with the motherboard (a little careful work with a small flat bladed screwdriver should make the IO panel pop right out of the old case). If you have a new motherboard and a new case, well, the IO panel should be tucked somewhere in with the motherboard packaging. If the IO panel wasn't included with a new motherboard I would complain to the retailer. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 17:20:06 2011 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:20:06 +0300 Subject: USB, Toshiba Message-ID: <4D35CBC6.1080107@gmail.com> How it is with USB. I am aware that my question may be somewhat silly. There is this: /sbin/lsusb It lists devices connected through USB. Why sometime not all devices are listed? I noticed that twice: a sort of USB webcam was not listed, and now I have at work an external 2 TB drive (Toshiba) that is not listed. I would rather think that all connected to USB ports devises should be listed. If they could be used from Linux - thats another question, possibly. BTW, instruction for that Toshiba external drive writes: manual is on the disk itself. Yhm... So I would have to access the drive from windows to read manual. Yhm... I noticed though by scanning the web that Toshiba does rather not offer Linux support. Anyway, any ideas if I am able to use that external USB drive? zb/. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 17:36:23 2011 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:36:23 -0500 Subject: USB, Toshiba In-Reply-To: <4D35CBC6.1080107-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D35CBC6.1080107@gmail.com> Message-ID: I would think that it should "just work" by mounting it. Have you run dmesg when you plug the drive in/power it on to see if Linux notices something plugged in? Take a look at /dev/ to see if there is /dev/sd[bcdef]1, which should be one letter beyond your optical drive (if you have one). So, if your hard disk is sda, and optical drive is sdb, then your external drive will most likely be sdc. dmesg is your best starting point though as it will show you the device name so that you can mount it manually. -jason On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > How it is with USB. I am aware that my question may be somewhat silly. > > There is this: > /sbin/lsusb > > It lists devices connected through USB. > > Why sometime not all devices are listed? I noticed that twice: a sort of > USB webcam was not listed, and now I have at work an external 2 TB drive > (Toshiba) that is not listed. > > I would rather think that all connected to USB ports devises should be > listed. If they could be used from Linux - thats another question, possibly. > > BTW, instruction for that Toshiba external drive writes: manual is on the > disk itself. Yhm... So I would have to access the drive from windows to read > manual. Yhm... I noticed though by scanning the web that Toshiba does rather > not offer Linux support. > > Anyway, any ideas if I am able to use that external USB drive? > > zb/. > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 17:39:42 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:39:42 -0500 Subject: USB, Toshiba In-Reply-To: <4D35CBC6.1080107-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D35CBC6.1080107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D35D05E.2010706@rogers.com> On 11-01-18 12:20 PM, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Anyway, any ideas if I am able to use that external USB drive? > I have used external USD drives with Ubuntu for years. No more effort than plugging it in. Never used a Toshiba, but a number of other brands. Stephen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 17:40:43 2011 From: andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:40:43 -0500 Subject: USB, Toshiba In-Reply-To: References: <4D35CBC6.1080107@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: > I would think that it should "just work" by mounting it. ?Have you run dmesg > when you plug the drive in/power it on to see if Linux notices something > plugged in? ?Take a look at /dev/ to see if there is /dev/sd[bcdef]1, which > should be one letter beyond your optical drive (if you have one). ?So, if > your hard disk is sda, and optical drive is sdb, then your external drive > will most likely be sdc. > dmesg is your best starting point though as it will show you the device name > so that you can mount it manually. > -jason Indeed, dmesg is important. I have an external drive that only seems to work through the super-short cable that came with it, but not through a longer cable or a hub, powered or otherwise. The power light comes on but it doesn't get recognized - I suppose the power is insufficient to actually make the drive go, blinkenlight notwithstanding. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 17:39:23 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:39:23 -0500 Subject: USB, Toshiba In-Reply-To: <4D35CBC6.1080107-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D35CBC6.1080107@gmail.com> Message-ID: It may not always know the name of the device, it may just give a device ID. use dmesg to check for other interesting info, also vmware and other virts (the guests) can steal the usb device as well (i have been burned by this a few times). tl On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > How it is with USB. I am aware that my question may be somewhat silly. > > There is this: > /sbin/lsusb > > It lists devices connected through USB. > > Why sometime not all devices are listed? I noticed that twice: a sort of USB > webcam was not listed, and now I have at work an external 2 TB drive > (Toshiba) that is not listed. > > I would rather think that all connected to USB ports devises should be > listed. If they could be used from Linux - thats another question, possibly. > > BTW, instruction for that Toshiba external drive writes: manual is on the > disk itself. Yhm... So I would have to access the drive from windows to read > manual. Yhm... I noticed though by scanning the web that Toshiba does rather > not offer Linux support. > > Anyway, any ideas if I am able to use that external USB drive? > > zb/. > > > > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 17:34:49 2011 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:34:49 +0300 Subject: USB, Toshiba In-Reply-To: References: <4D35CBC6.1080107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D35CF39.4060801@gmail.com> Thanks, Jason. I will be able to check your suggestions tomorrow. On 18/01/11 08:36 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: > I would think that it should "just work" by mounting it. Have you run > dmesg when you plug the drive in/power it on to see if Linux notices > something plugged in? Take a look at /dev/ to see if there is > /dev/sd[bcdef]1, which should be one letter beyond your optical drive > (if you have one). So, if your hard disk is sda, and optical drive is > sdb, then your external drive will most likely be sdc. > > dmesg is your best starting point though as it will show you the > device name so that you can mount it manually. > > -jason > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Zbigniew Koziol > wrote: > > How it is with USB. I am aware that my question may be somewhat > silly. > > There is this: > /sbin/lsusb > > It lists devices connected through USB. > > Why sometime not all devices are listed? I noticed that twice: a > sort of USB webcam was not listed, and now I have at work an > external 2 TB drive (Toshiba) that is not listed. > > I would rather think that all connected to USB ports devises > should be listed. If they could be used from Linux - thats another > question, possibly. > > BTW, instruction for that Toshiba external drive writes: manual is > on the disk itself. Yhm... So I would have to access the drive > from windows to read manual. Yhm... I noticed though by scanning > the web that Toshiba does rather not offer Linux support. > > Anyway, any ideas if I am able to use that external USB drive? > > zb/. > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 17:52:03 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:52:03 -0500 Subject: [OT] I/O panel for case/motherboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110118175203.GA12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:02:36AM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: > In the instructions for a new case it talks about what to do if your > motherboard does not correspond exactly with the default 'I/O panel'. > It says one should contact the manufacturer of their motherboard for a > proper replacement. > > I have an Asus motherboard, so I went to the Asus site, but can find > nothing on there about where to find these items. > > Anyone know where these can be obtained? They always come in the box with the asus boards. Have for years. You pop it into the case in place of the old ATX standard one the cases ship with. Now if you move the board to another case make sure to take the insert with you. No board seems to use the old ATX standard I/O panel anymore, so they all include the insert. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 17:52:39 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:52:39 -0500 Subject: [OT] I/O panel for case/motherboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> In the instructions for a new case it talks about what to do if your >> motherboard does not correspond exactly with the default 'I/O panel'. >> It says one should contact the manufacturer of their motherboard for a >> proper replacement. >> >> I have an Asus motherboard, so I went to the Asus site, but can find >> nothing on there about where to find these items. >> >> Anyone know where these can be obtained? >> >> Many thanks! > > I am a little unclear as where your problem is and how to help. It > used to be motherboard IO ports followed one fairly standard layout > and case manufactures punched holes in their cases to match that > layout. Then the motherboard makers started integrating extra features > onto the motherboard and the number and layout of holes needed started > getting ... interesting. To cope with this the case makers left a > rectangular hole in the back of the case that would come with a > snap-out IO panel (that corresponded to the old generic layout) and as > required the motherboard makers would when required include a small > replacement IO panel. > > So, if you have a new case into which you are moving an old > motherboard, just remove the old IO panel from the old case along with > the motherboard (a little careful work with a small flat bladed > screwdriver should make the IO panel pop right out of the old case). > If you have a new motherboard and a new case, well, the IO panel > should be tucked somewhere in with the motherboard packaging. If the > IO panel wasn't included with a new motherboard I would complain to > the retailer. > Actually, you understood perfectly :-) It is an older MoBo that was given to me, and as you guessed a new case. I checked and sure enough the I/O panel very easily snaps out to leave a rectangular opening as you said. I'll check the MoBo box again and see if I missed something. This is my first time putting together a system from components (no, really??). -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 18:24:49 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:24:49 -0500 Subject: [OT] I/O panel for case/motherboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110118182449.GB12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:52:39PM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: > Actually, you understood perfectly :-) > > It is an older MoBo that was given to me, and as you guessed a new > case. I checked and sure enough the I/O panel very easily snaps out to > leave a rectangular opening as you said. I'll check the MoBo box again > and see if I missed something. > > This is my first time putting together a system from components (no, really??). Of course if it is an older board, and used, the previous user may have forgotten to keep the I/O panel insert with the board. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 22:16:57 2011 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:16:57 -0500 Subject: USB, Toshiba In-Reply-To: References: <4D35CBC6.1080107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201101181716.58078.dbmacg@look.ca> In my experience, some USB devices do not register unless they go through a powered hub that has a power supply of well more than 1 amp. A USB device can require 500mA, and some 2.5" drives require more than that. If a USB device has insufficient power, it may register under ' dmesg ', but not be picked up otherwise. Connecting through a powered hub with, say, a 2.5amp power supply solves the problem. Duncan On Tuesday 18 January 2011 12:40:43 you wrote: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: > > I would think that it should "just work" by mounting it. Have you run > > dmesg when you plug the drive in/power it on to see if Linux notices > > something plugged in? Take a look at /dev/ to see if there is > > /dev/sd[bcdef]1, which should be one letter beyond your optical drive > > (if you have one). So, if your hard disk is sda, and optical drive is > > sdb, then your external drive will most likely be sdc. > > dmesg is your best starting point though as it will show you the device > > name so that you can mount it manually. > > -jason > > Indeed, dmesg is important. I have an external drive that only seems > to work through the super-short cable that came with it, but not > through a longer cable or a hub, powered or otherwise. The power light > comes on but it doesn't get recognized - I suppose the power is > insufficient to actually make the drive go, blinkenlight > notwithstanding. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Duncan MacGregor -- Toronto -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 23:47:30 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:47:30 -0500 Subject: [OT] I/O panel for case/motherboard In-Reply-To: <20110118182449.GB12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110118182449.GB12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:52:39PM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: >> Actually, you understood perfectly :-) >> >> It is an older MoBo that was given to me, and as you guessed a new >> case. I checked and sure enough the I/O panel very easily snaps out to >> leave a rectangular opening as you said. I'll check the MoBo box again >> and see if I missed something. >> >> This is my first time putting together a system from components (no, really??). > > Of course if it is an older board, and used, the previous user may have > forgotten to keep the I/O panel insert with the board. > I'm lucky, it was in there in a separate bag. It fit snapped right in to the case and it all lines up perfectly. Standardization gives me a kind of thrill, I don't know why :-) -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 23:44:37 2011 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 02:44:37 +0300 Subject: USB, Toshiba In-Reply-To: <201101181716.58078.dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM@public.gmane.org> References: <4D35CBC6.1080107@gmail.com> <201101181716.58078.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: <4D3625E5.4040705@gmail.com> This unit has own power supplier. I will continue on the subject in about 12 hours. zb. On 19/01/11 01:16 AM, Duncan MacGregor wrote: > In my experience, some USB devices do not register unless they go through a > powered hub that has a power supply of well more than 1 amp. A USB device can > require 500mA, and some 2.5" drives require more than that. > > If a USB device has insufficient power, it may register under ' dmesg ', but > not be picked up otherwise. Connecting through a powered hub with, say, a > 2.5amp power supply solves the problem. > > > Duncan > > On Tuesday 18 January 2011 12:40:43 you wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>> I would think that it should "just work" by mounting it. Have you run >>> dmesg when you plug the drive in/power it on to see if Linux notices >>> something plugged in? Take a look at /dev/ to see if there is >>> /dev/sd[bcdef]1, which should be one letter beyond your optical drive >>> (if you have one). So, if your hard disk is sda, and optical drive is >>> sdb, then your external drive will most likely be sdc. >>> dmesg is your best starting point though as it will show you the device >>> name so that you can mount it manually. >>> -jason >> Indeed, dmesg is important. I have an external drive that only seems >> to work through the super-short cable that came with it, but not >> through a longer cable or a hub, powered or otherwise. The power light >> comes on but it doesn't get recognized - I suppose the power is >> insufficient to actually make the drive go, blinkenlight >> notwithstanding. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 13:28:31 2011 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:28:31 -0500 Subject: USB, Toshiba In-Reply-To: <4D3625E5.4040705-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D35CBC6.1080107@gmail.com> <201101181716.58078.dbmacg@look.ca> <4D3625E5.4040705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201101190828.32116.dbmacg@look.ca> Computer-built-in power supplies are often too weak to handle USB devices. On Tuesday 18 January 2011 18:44:37 you wrote: > This unit has own power supplier. > > I will continue on the subject in about 12 hours. > > zb. > > On 19/01/11 01:16 AM, Duncan MacGregor wrote: > > In my experience, some USB devices do not register unless they go through > > a powered hub that has a power supply of well more than 1 amp. A USB > > device can require 500mA, and some 2.5" drives require more than that. > > > > If a USB device has insufficient power, it may register under ' dmesg ', > > but not be picked up otherwise. Connecting through a powered hub with, > > say, a 2.5amp power supply solves the problem. > > > > > > Duncan > > > > On Tuesday 18 January 2011 12:40:43 you wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: > >>> I would think that it should "just work" by mounting it. Have you run > >>> dmesg when you plug the drive in/power it on to see if Linux notices > >>> something plugged in? Take a look at /dev/ to see if there is > >>> /dev/sd[bcdef]1, which should be one letter beyond your optical drive > >>> (if you have one). So, if your hard disk is sda, and optical drive is > >>> sdb, then your external drive will most likely be sdc. > >>> dmesg is your best starting point though as it will show you the device > >>> name so that you can mount it manually. > >>> -jason > >> > >> Indeed, dmesg is important. I have an external drive that only seems > >> to work through the super-short cable that came with it, but not > >> through a longer cable or a hub, powered or otherwise. The power light > >> comes on but it doesn't get recognized - I suppose the power is > >> insufficient to actually make the drive go, blinkenlight > >> notwithstanding. > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Duncan MacGregor -- Toronto -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 16:29:04 2011 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:29:04 -0500 Subject: USB, Toshiba In-Reply-To: <201101190828.32116.dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM@public.gmane.org> References: <4D35CBC6.1080107@gmail.com> <201101181716.58078.dbmacg@look.ca> <4D3625E5.4040705@gmail.com> <201101190828.32116.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: <4D371150.9010303@ve3syb.ca> Duncan MacGregor wrote: > Computer-built-in power supplies are often too weak to handle USB devices. The computer power supply isn't the problem. The power available from a USB port varies based on a number of factors. You can read more about the power available from USB ports at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb#Powered_USB. You can have anywhere from 100mA to 900mA from a USB port. I was quite amazed when I discovered the very small, external, 500GB hard drive that my dad had asked me to get for him is fully powered from the USB port only. It doesn't need any external power. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 16:54:04 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:54:04 -0800 Subject: sshd keeps respawning Message-ID: I've got a desktop which has a rather fresh ubuntu (10.04) install. For some reason, SSHD does not want to die, and keeps respawning unless I actually uninstall it. root at amoeba:/# ps auxwww | grep [s]shd root 1436 0.0 0.0 5552 912 ? Ss 08:49 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd root at amoeba:/# /etc/init.d/ssh stop * Stopping OpenBSD Secure Shell server sshd [ OK ] root at amoeba:/# ps auxwww | grep [s]shd root 1462 0.0 0.0 5552 908 ? Ss 08:50 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd root at amoeba:/# kill -9 1462 root at amoeba:/# ps auxwww | grep [s]shd root 1469 0.0 0.0 5552 912 ? Ss 08:50 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd I haven't seen this happen on any of my other boxen, so this seems to be relatively new behavior. Any ideas why it won't die!? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 17:28:34 2011 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:28:34 -0500 Subject: sshd keeps respawning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D371F42.6030809@ve3syb.ca> Tyler Aviss wrote: > For some reason, SSHD does not want to die, and keeps respawning > unless I actually uninstall it. Check how you have SSH enabled and configured on your machine. It is possible that it might be started up by a file in /etc/init/ with a "respawn" line in the file. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 19:41:24 2011 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:41:24 -0500 Subject: USB, Toshiba In-Reply-To: <4D371150.9010303-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4D35CBC6.1080107@gmail.com> <201101190828.32116.dbmacg@look.ca> <4D371150.9010303@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <201101191441.24207.dbmacg@look.ca> Then you have been lucky. USB devices that are starved for power do not tell you so. They just fail to work properly. On Wednesday 19 January 2011 11:29:04 you wrote: > Duncan MacGregor wrote: > > Computer-built-in power supplies are often too weak to handle USB > > devices. > > The computer power supply isn't the problem. The power available from a USB > port varies based on a number of factors. You can read more about the power > available from USB ports at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb#Powered_USB. > You can have anywhere from 100mA to 900mA from a USB port. I was quite > amazed when I discovered the very small, external, 500GB hard drive that my > dad had asked me to get for him is fully powered from the USB port only. It > doesn't need any external power. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Duncan MacGregor -- Toronto -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 19:46:19 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:46:19 -0500 Subject: USB, Toshiba In-Reply-To: <201101191441.24207.dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM@public.gmane.org> References: <4D35CBC6.1080107@gmail.com> <201101190828.32116.dbmacg@look.ca> <4D371150.9010303@ve3syb.ca> <201101191441.24207.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: There are different type of USB Hard drives, some require a power supply, some require 1 usb, some require 2 usb connections. I know I have a western digital, i think its specially made to use little power and 1 usb, though its also small (320 gb). On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Duncan MacGregor wrote: > Then you have been lucky. USB devices that are starved for power do not > tell > you so. They just fail to work properly. > > > > On Wednesday 19 January 2011 11:29:04 you wrote: > > Duncan MacGregor wrote: > > > Computer-built-in power supplies are often too weak to handle USB > > > devices. > > > > The computer power supply isn't the problem. The power available from a > USB > > port varies based on a number of factors. You can read more about the > power > > available from USB ports at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb#Powered_USB > . > > You can have anywhere from 100mA to 900mA from a USB port. I was quite > > amazed when I discovered the very small, external, 500GB hard drive that > my > > dad had asked me to get for him is fully powered from the USB port only. > It > > doesn't need any external power. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > Duncan MacGregor -- Toronto -- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 19:52:51 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:52:51 -0500 Subject: USB, Toshiba In-Reply-To: References: <4D35CBC6.1080107@gmail.com> <201101190828.32116.dbmacg@look.ca> <4D371150.9010303@ve3syb.ca> <201101191441.24207.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: <20110119195251.GC12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 02:46:19PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > There are different type of USB Hard drives, some require a power supply, > some require 1 usb, some require 2 usb connections. > > I know I have a western digital, i think its specially made to use little > power and 1 usb, though its also small (320 gb). Well one usb 2 connector may be used to provide 500mA if the device asks for it from the controller. Without asking, 100mA is the max a device may use. Some systems can't quite do 500mA on one port reliably, and some devices would like slightly more than 500mA. So using two plugs, you can get 600mA (ask for 500 and leach 100 without asking on the other). USB3 will permit up to 900mA on request per port. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 12:03:33 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:03:33 -0500 Subject: USB, Toshiba In-Reply-To: <20110119195251.GC12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4D35CBC6.1080107@gmail.com> <201101190828.32116.dbmacg@look.ca> <4D371150.9010303@ve3syb.ca> <201101191441.24207.dbmacg@look.ca> <20110119195251.GC12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 19 January 2011 14:52, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well one usb 2 connector may be used to provide 500mA if the device asks > for it from the controller. ?Without asking, 100mA is the max a device > may use. Does anyone here know if /how this is physically enforced? Do motherboards, hubs and other USB hosts actually have two stage current limiting circuitry, or will they always provide the maximum current (possibly protected with a thermal fuse or other current limiter) even if not negotiated? I bet many of the USB gadgets and toys that use the interface strictly for power don't do any power negotiation and may not even have data lines connected. In this case, do they limit themselves to 100mA? -- Scott A. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 17:02:27 2011 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:02:27 -0500 Subject: USB, Toshiba In-Reply-To: <201101191441.24207.dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM@public.gmane.org> References: <4D35CBC6.1080107@gmail.com> <201101190828.32116.dbmacg@look.ca> <4D371150.9010303@ve3syb.ca> <201101191441.24207.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: <4D386AA3.5070208@ve3syb.ca> >> I was quite amazed when I discovered the very small, external, 500GB >> hard drive that my dad had asked me to get for him is fully powered >> from the USB port only. It doesn't need any external power. Duncan MacGregor wrote: > Then you have been lucky. USB devices that are starved for power do not > tell you so. They just fail to work properly. I didn't get "lucky". The device is designed to use the USB port for all its power requirements. There is no external power adapter provided and no means to provide any other form of power to the external hard drive. The "lucky" part is not having to figure out where a wall wart for an external drive would be plugged in as one wasn't needed. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 17:47:53 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:47:53 -0500 Subject: USB, Toshiba In-Reply-To: References: <4D35CBC6.1080107@gmail.com> <201101190828.32116.dbmacg@look.ca> <4D371150.9010303@ve3syb.ca> <201101191441.24207.dbmacg@look.ca> <20110119195251.GC12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110120174753.GD12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 07:03:33AM -0500, Scott Allen wrote: > Does anyone here know if /how this is physically enforced? Do > motherboards, hubs and other USB hosts actually have two stage current > limiting circuitry, or will they always provide the maximum current > (possibly protected with a thermal fuse or other current limiter) even > if not negotiated? Depends on the board design. Some do more than others. The USB standard simply says what devices are allowed to do without asking, and what the port should be able to provide (providing more is of course permitted, but not required). > I bet many of the USB gadgets and toys that use the interface strictly > for power don't do any power negotiation and may not even have data > lines connected. In this case, do they limit themselves to 100mA? They might use more, but the system is allowed to limit it to 100mA if it wants to. The system would even be completely within it rights to shut off the power to the port if more than 100mA is being used too. Now sure what a 5V 100mA cup warmer is good for, but oh well. 0.5W heat is more than 0W heat. Many things just treat USB as a 5V power source that can do a couple of watts. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 22:05:09 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:05:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. Message-ID: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Just thinking out loud... With Intel's SandyBridge cpus (i5/i7-2NNN) out now, why are they still selling old i3/i5/i7-NNN cpus? I mean, who's going to buy them? -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 22:16:44 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:16:44 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: <581629.99355.qm-iGg6QNsgFOH6X00i2u5GFvu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> On 01/20/2011 05:05 PM, William Park wrote: > Just thinking out loud... > > With Intel's SandyBridge cpus (i5/i7-2NNN) out now, why are they still selling > old i3/i5/i7-NNN cpus? I mean, who's going to buy them? Anyone with boards prior to them. At work, I still buy oodles of Core2Duos, which are even older. We've got a platform though that is well tested and reliable. It's a serious hassle to switch up our hardware more than is needed. -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 22:17:50 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:17:50 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: <581629.99355.qm-iGg6QNsgFOH6X00i2u5GFvu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D38B48E.2060208@rogers.com> On 11-01-20 05:05 PM, William Park wrote: > Just thinking out loud... > > With Intel's SandyBridge cpus (i5/i7-2NNN) out now, why are they still selling > old i3/i5/i7-NNN cpus? I mean, who's going to buy them? Sandy Bridge may not be ready for prime time. I just read this today: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_sandy_breaks&num=1 Also motherboards with the SB chip set are still premium priced. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 22:18:20 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:18:20 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: <581629.99355.qm-iGg6QNsgFOH6X00i2u5GFvu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110120221820.GE12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 02:05:09PM -0800, William Park wrote: > Just thinking out loud... > > With Intel's SandyBridge cpus (i5/i7-2NNN) out now, why are they still selling > old i3/i5/i7-NNN cpus? I mean, who's going to buy them? People with existing motherboards. Sandy bridge has a different socket after all. The real question is why the heck intel had to make yet another socket change already. So right now there are hundres if not thousands of motherboards models for socket 1156 CPUs. There are only a few dozen for socket 1155 so far. Your choices are so far rather limited for the new CPUs. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 02:06:38 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:06:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: AMD vs. nVidia binary driver? Message-ID: <574154.29264.qm@web113404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I only have nVidia graphic cards, and I use their binary drivers. In fact, installing Kernel, nVidia, and VirtualBox (in that order) has become sort of habit. How are things on AMD side? Are ATI binary drivers simple to install, like nVidia? I'm, of course, assuming that ATI binary driver is better than open-source one. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 02:12:09 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:12:09 -0800 Subject: AMD vs. nVidia binary driver? In-Reply-To: <574154.29264.qm-CtIdhJAQs3MA0QRgWO9Mevu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <574154.29264.qm@web113404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Last time I used the ATI installer it was fairly convenient, it even has an gui installer for if it's used in X. On 2011-01-20 6:07 PM, "William Park" wrote: > I only have nVidia graphic cards, and I use their binary drivers. In fact, > installing Kernel, nVidia, and VirtualBox (in that order) has become sort of > habit. > > How are things on AMD side? Are ATI binary drivers simple to install, like > nVidia? I'm, of course, assuming that ATI binary driver is better than > open-source one. > -- > William > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 15:23:17 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:23:17 -0500 Subject: AMD vs. nVidia binary driver? In-Reply-To: <574154.29264.qm-CtIdhJAQs3MA0QRgWO9Mevu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <574154.29264.qm@web113404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110121152317.GF12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 06:06:38PM -0800, William Park wrote: > I only have nVidia graphic cards, and I use their binary drivers. In fact, > installing Kernel, nVidia, and VirtualBox (in that order) has become sort of > habit. > > How are things on AMD side? Are ATI binary drivers simple to install, like > nVidia? I'm, of course, assuming that ATI binary driver is better than > open-source one. ATI's drivers have often been buggy (to the point of starting X crashes the box hard). Last time I had the misfortunate of trying to use them, you had to manually put '24 bit colour' in the X config, or the driver would crash because it didn't support 8 bit colour. Of course the next driver version which supports newer X versions and kernels obsoleted support for a card they are still selling. ATI makes great hardware. I used to use them a lot. Then things started needing drivers, and that's not something ATI has ever done well. I would actually assume the open source driver for an ATI is way more stable than the binary ones, but probably has a lot less features too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 17:38:30 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:38:30 -0500 Subject: AMD vs. nVidia binary driver? In-Reply-To: <20110121152317.GF12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <574154.29264.qm@web113404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110121152317.GF12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D39C496.4040709@utoronto.ca> On 01/21/2011 10:23 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > ATI's drivers have often been buggy (to the point of starting X crashes > the box hard). Last time I had the misfortunate of trying to use them, > you had to manually put '24 bit colour' in the X config, or the driver > would crash because it didn't support 8 bit colour. Of course the next > driver version which supports newer X versions and kernels obsoleted > support for a card they are still selling. How long ago was this? Long enough ago that they were still branded as ATI I expect. Things have changed with the switch to AMD from what I can tell. For example: I have a new 6850 card. The Linux driver doesn't even officially support it yet, but the installer ran just fine and I am up and running with nicely accelerated graphics. > ATI makes great hardware. I used to use them a lot. Then things started > needing drivers, and that's not something ATI has ever done well. > > I would actually assume the open source driver for an ATI is way more > stable than the binary ones, but probably has a lot less features too. Both work well. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 18:34:08 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:34:08 -0500 Subject: AMD vs. nVidia binary driver? In-Reply-To: <20110121152317.GF12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <574154.29264.qm@web113404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110121152317.GF12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 06:06:38PM -0800, William Park wrote: >> I only have nVidia graphic cards, and I use their binary drivers. ?In fact, >> installing Kernel, nVidia, and VirtualBox (in that order) has become sort of >> habit. >> >> How are things on AMD side? ?Are ATI binary drivers simple to install, like >> nVidia? ?I'm, of course, assuming that ATI binary driver is better than >> open-source one. > > ATI's drivers have often been buggy (to the point of starting X crashes > the box hard). ?Last time I had the misfortunate of trying to use them, > you had to manually put '24 bit colour' in the X config, or the driver > would crash because it didn't support 8 bit colour. ?Of course the next > driver version which supports newer X versions and kernels obsoleted > support for a card they are still selling. > > ATI makes great hardware. ?I used to use them a lot. ?Then things started > needing drivers, and that's not something ATI has ever done well. > > I would actually assume the open source driver for an ATI is way more > stable than the binary ones, but probably has a lot less features too. > Also, wasn't there something the other day about NVidia having the only Linux drivers that were stable enough to do hardware decoding of h264/Flash? I'm pretty sure that's what I read, don't know how applicable that is right now. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 18:39:39 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:39:39 -0500 Subject: AMD vs. nVidia binary driver? In-Reply-To: <4D39C496.4040709-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <574154.29264.qm@web113404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110121152317.GF12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D39C496.4040709@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20110121183939.GA347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:38:30PM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > How long ago was this? Long enough ago that they were still branded as > ATI I expect. Oh 6 months maybe? > Things have changed with the switch to AMD from what I can tell. For > example: I have a new 6850 card. The Linux driver doesn't even > officially support it yet, but the installer ran just fine and I am up > and running with nicely accelerated graphics. I keep hoping for that, but some things certainly have not changed. If your hardware is not really new, they won't support it, even for hardware that is still being sold. At least nvidia has legacy driver series to handle that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 18:40:47 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:40:47 -0500 Subject: AMD vs. nVidia binary driver? In-Reply-To: References: <574154.29264.qm@web113404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110121152317.GF12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110121184047.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 01:34:08PM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: > Also, wasn't there something the other day about NVidia having the > only Linux drivers that were stable enough to do hardware decoding of > h264/Flash? I'm pretty sure that's what I read, don't know how > applicable that is right now. Yep there was. I keep hoping open source 3D drivers for the ATI hardware will happen to give some choices. Nvidia's drivers are great, but they are not open source. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 18:49:15 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:49:15 -0500 Subject: AMD vs. nVidia binary driver? In-Reply-To: <20110121184047.GB347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <574154.29264.qm@web113404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110121152317.GF12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110121184047.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 01:34:08PM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: >> Also, wasn't there something the other day about NVidia having the >> only Linux drivers that were stable enough to do hardware decoding of >> h264/Flash? I'm pretty sure that's what I read, don't know how >> applicable that is right now. > > Yep there was. ?I keep hoping open source 3D drivers for the ATI hardware > will happen to give some choices. > > Nvidia's drivers are great, but they are not open source. > That's always been my question, really: why not? What is the advantage, really, to keeping the code closed? I know what NVidia would say, but aren't they kinda being disingenuous? For the average person, of course, the stuff they don't want to share is protected. But for anyone who knows what they're doing, isn't it trivial to take apart the 'blob' and see what's inside? Or is it encrypted or something? And even if someone _did_ get a peek at the code, they would still be legally prevented from using it, no? -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 20:02:41 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:02:41 -0500 Subject: AMD vs. nVidia binary driver? In-Reply-To: References: <574154.29264.qm@web113404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110121152317.GF12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110121184047.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110121200241.GC347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 01:49:15PM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: > That's always been my question, really: why not? What is the > advantage, really, to keeping the code closed? I know what NVidia > would say, but aren't they kinda being disingenuous? For the average > person, of course, the stuff they don't want to share is protected. > But for anyone who knows what they're doing, isn't it trivial to take > apart the 'blob' and see what's inside? Or is it encrypted or > something? And even if someone _did_ get a peek at the code, they > would still be legally prevented from using it, no? Well if someone wants to disassemble their driver, they can try. It is huge. Making sense of the assembly would be very hard. I think they have a lot of 3D optimizing code to make the opengl requests be handled efficiently. No point passing stuff to hardware if you know it isn't needed in the first place. If their optimizations are better than what ATI currently has (No idea if they are or not), then open source would let ATI see how they do that. Of course it may be that it isn't even ATI they are worried about, but other smaller companies that currently don't stand a chance at writing a good 3D driver from scratch. The Mesa project does seem to have done some decent work on 3D drivers, but how they compare to what nvidia is doing, I have no idea. Hopefully someday openGL and 3D in general will be a generic commodity and hardware makers can go back to making better hardware and not worrying about driver optimization secrets. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 21:17:45 2011 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:17:45 -0500 Subject: can't restore Thunderbird from backup Message-ID: <4D39F7F9.7070909@chrisaitken.net> I'm trying to restore my Thunderbird mail file from backup. I've done this in the past successfully several times. It's not working this time. I didn't take note of what version of Thunderbird was running before my latest hard drive crash. Maybe 2. The Thunderbird that installed with sudo apt-get install thunderbird is 3.1.7 I tried installing an older version with sudo apt-get install thunderbird-2* and it rudely went ahead and installed Thunderbird 3 again - only this time it took a half hour instead of a few minutes. I notice my saved mail has folders with .sbd extension but the new version saves folders with .msf extension. I would like to do two things: 1. Restore my old mail if possible, and 2. backup my mail properly for next time. chris at shiny-desktop:~$ cat /etc/issue Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS \n \l Any ideas? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 23:27:18 2011 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:27:18 -0500 Subject: AMD vs. nVidia binary driver? In-Reply-To: <20110121200241.GC347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <574154.29264.qm@web113404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110121152317.GF12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110121184047.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110121200241.GC347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D3A1656.5060609@ve3syb.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well if someone wants to disassemble their driver, they can try. > It is huge. Making sense of the assembly would be very hard. Part of the problem with trying to disassemble a video card driver would be in understanding what its doing when it pokes at registers in the on-board graphics card chips. > The Mesa project does seem to have done some decent work on 3D drivers, > but how they compare to what nvidia is doing, I have no idea. Hopefully > someday openGL and 3D in general will be a generic commodity and hardware > makers can go back to making better hardware and not worrying about > driver optimization secrets. Take a look at the Open Graphics Project: http://wiki.opengraphics.org/tiki-index.php It still has a way to go but should address the issues you raised (eventually). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lmlane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 22 16:07:25 2011 From: lmlane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mark Lane) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:07:25 -0500 Subject: AMD vs. nVidia binary driver? In-Reply-To: <20110121200241.GC347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <574154.29264.qm@web113404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110121152317.GF12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110121184047.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110121200241.GC347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 01:49:15PM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: > > That's always been my question, really: why not? What is the > > advantage, really, to keeping the code closed? I know what NVidia > > would say, but aren't they kinda being disingenuous? For the average > > person, of course, the stuff they don't want to share is protected. > > But for anyone who knows what they're doing, isn't it trivial to take > > apart the 'blob' and see what's inside? Or is it encrypted or > > something? And even if someone _did_ get a peek at the code, they > > would still be legally prevented from using it, no? > > Well if someone wants to disassemble their driver, they can try. > It is huge. Making sense of the assembly would be very hard. > > I think they have a lot of 3D optimizing code to make the opengl requests > be handled efficiently. No point passing stuff to hardware if you know > it isn't needed in the first place. If their optimizations are better > than what ATI currently has (No idea if they are or not), then open > source would let ATI see how they do that. Of course it may be that it > isn't even ATI they are worried about, but other smaller companies that > currently don't stand a chance at writing a good 3D driver from scratch. Generally in the past one reason ATI and Nvidia don't open up their specs for open source development has to do with 3rd party agreements. Often they license technological solutions from 3rd party that they are not allowed to open up as per the agreement. -- Mark Lane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 22 16:42:38 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:42:38 -0500 Subject: AMD vs. nVidia binary driver? In-Reply-To: References: <574154.29264.qm@web113404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110121152317.GF12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110121184047.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110121200241.GC347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Mark Lane wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 01:49:15PM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: >> > That's always been my question, really: ?why not? What is the >> > advantage, really, to keeping the code closed? I know what NVidia >> > would say, but aren't they kinda being disingenuous? For the average >> > person, of course, the stuff they don't want to share is protected. >> > But for anyone who knows what they're doing, isn't it trivial to take >> > apart the 'blob' and see what's inside? Or is it encrypted or >> > something? And even if someone _did_ get a peek at the code, they >> > would still be legally prevented from using it, no? >> >> Well if someone wants to disassemble their driver, they can try. >> It is huge. ?Making sense of the assembly would be very hard. >> >> I think they have a lot of 3D optimizing code to make the opengl requests >> be handled efficiently. ?No point passing stuff to hardware if you know >> it isn't needed in the first place. ?If their optimizations are better >> than what ATI currently has (No idea if they are or not), then open >> source would let ATI see how they do that. ?Of course it may be that it >> isn't even ATI they are worried about, but other smaller companies that >> currently don't stand a chance at writing a good 3D driver from scratch. > > > Generally in the past one reason ATI and Nvidia don't open up their specs > for open source development has to do with 3rd party agreements. Often they > license technological solutions from 3rd party that they are not allowed to > open up as per the agreement. > Good point, and that reminds me, the other day I was reading that NVidia makes GPU's for use in military applications like UAV/drones and such things that rely on high-accuracy imaging. So who knows what kinda spooky people have an interest in NVidia's code. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 22 19:28:06 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:28:06 -0500 Subject: I/O throughput analysis Message-ID: Hello pals, A workmate and I had an argument that we could not seem to agree on yesterday. That mean we did not learn anything from the discussion and I would like to hear your opinion on it. It could help make sense of each other arguments Which of these two systems would have a better input output performance? Both system have the same configurations, CPU, chipset everything down the power supply. They differ though with the number of hard disk. Both system has a RAID card with a maximum speed of 6 GB per sec System A has 6 drives. Each drive has a specification of 1500 RPM, 300 GB size SAS interface. System B has 8 drives. Each drive is 146GB in size, 1500 RPM and also with a SAS interface. SAS interface can comfortably handle 3 GB per second. So, in your opinion, is the RAID card a potential bottleneck on both systems? Which of the two system would offer a better throughput ? Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 22 20:01:05 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:01:05 -0800 Subject: I/O throughput analysis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What RAID level are they using? On 2011-01-22 11:28 AM, "William Muriithi" wrote: > Hello pals, > > A workmate and I had an argument that we could not seem to agree on > yesterday. That mean we did not learn anything from the discussion and > I would like to hear your opinion on it. It could help make sense of > each other arguments > > Which of these two systems would have a better input output > performance? Both system have the same configurations, CPU, chipset > everything down the power supply. They differ though with the number > of hard disk. Both system has a RAID card with a maximum speed of 6 > GB per sec > > System A has 6 drives. Each drive has a specification of 1500 RPM, > 300 GB size SAS interface. > > System B has 8 drives. Each drive is 146GB in size, 1500 RPM and also > with a SAS interface. > > SAS interface can comfortably handle 3 GB per second. > > So, in your opinion, is the RAID card a potential bottleneck on both systems? > > Which of the two system would offer a better throughput ? > > Regards, > > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 22 20:58:58 2011 From: alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:58:58 -0300 Subject: I/O throughput analysis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: First, I think you mean 15K RPM (15000 RPM) and not 1,5K RPM (1500) as of your first message. System B should be better than first one, just because it has more disk and thus, RAID-0 will do better. Please note that it the RAID controller don't handle well the RAID-0 plus RAID-1 (your RAID-10) with more disks, then System B can suffer from controller I/O limitation. Chunk/Stripe size should be considered carefully because it direct affects performance and how many space you will lost... Best Regards Alexandre Alencar http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ COBIT, ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 5:08 PM, William Muriithi < william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On 22 January 2011 15:01, Tyler Aviss wrote: > > What RAID level are they using? > > > Both uses RAID 10. The operating system see just one large disk as it > connect to the drives through the RAID card > > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 23 00:54:53 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:54:53 -0500 Subject: I/O throughput analysis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: if the raid card is good, i.e. 3ware, then the drives would be bottle neck. I think the 3ware card test out max throughput at 12+ drive on raid 10. Also depends on whether raid card has battery back up, write cache , etc, but I think definitely the drives are still the bottle neck. In fact the raid card may be able to work with even 16+ drives before throughput starts to flatten out and makes for little benefit to put more drives in. tl On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:28 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > Hello pals, > > A workmate and I had an argument that we could not seem to agree on > yesterday. That mean we did not learn anything from the discussion and > I would like to hear your opinion on it. It could help make sense of > each other arguments > > Which of these two systems would have a better input output > performance? ?Both system have the same configurations, CPU, chipset > everything down the power supply. They differ though with the number > of hard disk. ?Both system has a RAID card with a maximum speed of 6 > GB per sec > > System A ?has 6 drives. Each drive has a specification of 1500 RPM, > 300 GB size SAS interface. > > System B has 8 drives. ?Each drive is 146GB in size, 1500 RPM and also > with a SAS interface. > > SAS interface can comfortably handle 3 GB per second. > > So, in your opinion, is the RAID card a potential bottleneck on both systems? > > Which of the two system would offer a better throughput ? > > Regards, > > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 23 01:25:02 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:25:02 -0500 Subject: Debian Squeeze Kernel to be Completely Free Message-ID: http://ostatic.com/blog/debian-squeeze-kernel-to-be-completely-free -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 23 02:12:18 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:12:18 -0500 Subject: I/O throughput analysis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmm Interesting. The RAID card is PERC H700 module from Dell. That was very good information you had there. Did you read it somewhere or from experience? William On 22 Jan 2011 19:55, "ted leslie" wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 23 17:51:33 2011 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:51:33 -0500 Subject: I/O throughput analysis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D3C6AA5.8010401@ss.org> If you have the option of physical testing the two configurations, build them out and run bonnie++. bonnie++ is a program designed to test harddisk performance. This is an argument best settled with test data, if it is in your means. On 01/22/2011 02:28 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > Hello pals, > > A workmate and I had an argument that we could not seem to agree on > yesterday. That mean we did not learn anything from the discussion and > I would like to hear your opinion on it. It could help make sense of > each other arguments > > Which of these two systems would have a better input output > performance? Both system have the same configurations, CPU, chipset > everything down the power supply. They differ though with the number > of hard disk. Both system has a RAID card with a maximum speed of 6 > GB per sec > > System A has 6 drives. Each drive has a specification of 1500 RPM, > 300 GB size SAS interface. > > System B has 8 drives. Each drive is 146GB in size, 1500 RPM and also > with a SAS interface. > > SAS interface can comfortably handle 3 GB per second. > > So, in your opinion, is the RAID card a potential bottleneck on both systems? > > Which of the two system would offer a better throughput ? > > Regards, > > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From redrocketyamaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 23 18:48:21 2011 From: redrocketyamaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (dave jackson) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:48:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: 'toon: How Blackberry, iPhone, Android users see each other & themselves Message-ID: <495039.29629.qm@web31307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> g'day All, - here's a no-punches-pulled belly laff for a chilly Sunday cheers, dj http://www.talkandroid.com/20338-toonbyte-to-brighten-up-your-evening/csectioncomics/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 23 19:28:55 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:28:55 -0500 Subject: I/O throughput analysis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D3C8177.1050705@utoronto.ca> On 1/22/2011 2:28 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > Hello pals, > > A workmate and I had an argument that we could not seem to agree on > yesterday. That mean we did not learn anything from the discussion and > I would like to hear your opinion on it. It could help make sense of > each other arguments > > Which of these two systems would have a better input output > performance? Both system have the same configurations, CPU, chipset > everything down the power supply. They differ though with the number > of hard disk. Both system has a RAID card with a maximum speed of 6 > GB per sec > > System A has 6 drives. Each drive has a specification of 1500 RPM, > 300 GB size SAS interface. > > System B has 8 drives. Each drive is 146GB in size, 1500 RPM and also > with a SAS interface. > > SAS interface can comfortably handle 3 GB per second. > > So, in your opinion, is the RAID card a potential bottleneck on both systems? > > Which of the two system would offer a better throughput ? If you're after bottlenecks, you haven't told us about your PCIe slots. Do you have 2.0 slots? x8 or x16 slots will be needed to reach your controller's maximum of 6gbps. If 1.0 then you'll have to solely use x16 slots to have enough bandwidth. If your PCIe slots aren't up to the task, then no amount of drives in any configuration will really achieve the performance you're looking to benchmark. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 23 21:00:45 2011 From: fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Salman Ahmed) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:00:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Free business/tech/programming books Message-ID: <469655.94798.qm@web39307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a few books that I need to get rid of because they are taking up space; they are available for free to whomever can pick it up from my house (near the Ontario Science Centre): - The Hacker Ethic (hard cover) - Under the Rader (hard cover) - Just for Fun: The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary - Embracing Insanity: Open Source Software Development - Hacking Linux Exposed (1st ed, 2001) - Real World Linux Security (1st ed, 2001) - Pure CORBA: A code-intensive Premium Reference - Advanced CORBA Programming with C++ Feel free to lookup these books in more detail on Amazon.com. First come, first serve. After about a week or so, I'll try and donate them to a Toronto Public Library branch. Regards, Salman Ahmed -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 00:27:00 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:27:00 -0500 Subject: make a networked printer available to a subnet In-Reply-To: <20110103223427.GO12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100916150931.GE8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110103223427.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 01:05:02AM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: >> Should this work automatically for a Windows client? Or do I need >> Samba to share a printer to Windows? > > It's automatic for most linux systems, and Mac OS X systems. ?Windows > being Microsoft has to do things it own way and hence makes it hard. > > You can either share with samba, or you can actually use it directly > from windows. > > So if you have a printer in cups named "My_Printer_123", then in windows > you can install a printer by asking it to add a new printer, tell it to > add a network printer and use the URL: > > http://printerserver:631/printers/My_Printer_123 and then pick the right > driver for windows to use the printer of course. > > Mac and Linux being natively postscript don't need drivers on the client, > Windows being stupid and making the client do the rendering work and > then sending tons of bitmap data across the network does need a driver. > Well, I must be missing something important, because I cannot get this to work. I have tried every variation I can think of. I used the hostname, ip address, I tried the printer name in upper and lower case. The only thing that I can think of that might be causing the problem, is that when I try 'browse' and choose my Linux computer (the one with the printer shared), I get an error about bad credentials. Not sure what to enter there, as entering my user account from my Linux computer does not work. I can't believe I would need to create a user for everyone who wants to print... The settings for sharing on the printer are 'Share printers connected to this system' and in the printer settings --> access control it is 'allow printing for everyone'. Is there some way I could configure the Linux machine differently so that discovering it from Windows would be easier? -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 02:32:41 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 21:32:41 -0500 Subject: Remember to pay your web guys... Message-ID: Otherwise you might see this... http://utilitybidder.co.uk/ "If you are another web developer that has been paid to change this then make sure you get paid up front." -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 15:34:25 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:34:25 -0500 Subject: I/O throughput analysis In-Reply-To: <4D3C8177.1050705-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D3C8177.1050705@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Jamon >> >> Which of the two system would offer a better throughput ? > > If you're after bottlenecks, you haven't told us about your PCIe slots. > Do you have 2.0 slots? x8 or x16 slots will be needed to reach your > controller's maximum of 6gbps. If 1.0 then you'll have to solely use x16 > slots to have enough bandwidth. The system has 2 PCIe x8 + 2 PCIe x4 Slot > > If your PCIe slots aren't up to the task, then no amount of drives in any > configuration will really achieve the performance you're looking to > benchmark. Good observation. I actually did not think about that until you mentioned it. I will make it a point not t overlook it in future. It looks though like the PCIe are up to the job > > Jamon > -- William > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 16:16:41 2011 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:16:41 +0300 Subject: USB, Toshiba In-Reply-To: <20110120174753.GD12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4D35CBC6.1080107@gmail.com> <201101190828.32116.dbmacg@look.ca> <4D371150.9010303@ve3syb.ca> <201101191441.24207.dbmacg@look.ca> <20110119195251.GC12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110120174753.GD12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D3DA5E9.9030407@gmail.com> I started the subject. Let me hence have a few words to conclude. I was not able to use the drive initially. It was not listed by /sbin/lsusb after connected to. There was no ANY message in dmesg. My coworker using Windows (we have however in our small group at university a strong tendency to use Linux rather) did try to use it from Windows - no success. And after that she did that: Turn off computer. Connect the drive by USB cable. Turn on the USB drive. Turn on the computer. That way she was able to see the content of the USB drive. After this, I did the same on Linux. NTFS! Oh, well... So I did ext2 partitioning and mkfs. Now things are ok. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 17:43:31 2011 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:43:31 -0500 Subject: USB, Toshiba In-Reply-To: <4D3DA5E9.9030407-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D35CBC6.1080107@gmail.com> <201101190828.32116.dbmacg@look.ca> <4D371150.9010303@ve3syb.ca> <201101191441.24207.dbmacg@look.ca> <20110119195251.GC12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110120174753.GD12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D3DA5E9.9030407@gmail.com> Message-ID: Koziol On 24 January 2011 11:16, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > I started the subject. Let me hence have a few words to conclude. > > I was not able to use the drive initially. It was not listed by /sbin/lsusb > after connected to. There was no ANY message in dmesg. > > My coworker using Windows (we have however in our small group at university > a strong tendency to use Linux rather) did try to use it from Windows - no > success. And after that she did that: > > Turn off computer. Connect the drive by USB cable. Turn on the USB drive. > Turn on the computer. > > That way she was able to see the content of the USB drive. Thanks for the update. > > After this, I did the same on Linux. NTFS! Oh, well... So I did ext2 > partitioning and mkfs. > You could have used ntfs-3g module. It has worked fine for me. That way, you can share the drive with workmates using Windows. > Now things are ok. > > zb. > > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 18:29:09 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:29:09 -0500 Subject: AMD vs. nVidia binary driver? In-Reply-To: <4D3A1656.5060609-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <574154.29264.qm@web113404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110121152317.GF12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110121184047.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110121200241.GC347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D3A1656.5060609@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20110124182909.GD347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 06:27:18PM -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Part of the problem with trying to disassemble a video card driver would > be in understanding what its doing when it pokes at registers in the > on-board graphics card chips. Of course. Reverse engineering such a complex system is hard. I am not going to do it. :) > Take a look at the Open Graphics Project: > http://wiki.opengraphics.org/tiki-index.php > > It still has a way to go but should address the issues you raised (eventually). I never got the impression they were really getting anywhere. An FPGA is not going to get anywhere near the performance of a modern cheap video card. Specifications from AMD/ATI for current hardware is much more productive I believe, assuming that's going as well as they claim it is. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 18:32:21 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:32:21 -0500 Subject: Remember to pay your web guys... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110124183221.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 09:32:41PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > Otherwise you might see this... > http://utilitybidder.co.uk/ > > "If you are another web developer that has been paid to change this > then make sure you get paid up front." How nice. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 21:09:06 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:09:06 -0500 Subject: make a networked printer available to a subnet In-Reply-To: References: <20100916150931.GE8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110103223427.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110124210906.GF347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 07:27:00PM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 01:05:02AM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: > >> Should this work automatically for a Windows client? Or do I need > >> Samba to share a printer to Windows? > > > > It's automatic for most linux systems, and Mac OS X systems. ?Windows > > being Microsoft has to do things it own way and hence makes it hard. > > > > You can either share with samba, or you can actually use it directly > > from windows. > > > > So if you have a printer in cups named "My_Printer_123", then in windows > > you can install a printer by asking it to add a new printer, tell it to > > add a network printer and use the URL: > > > > http://printerserver:631/printers/My_Printer_123 and then pick the right > > driver for windows to use the printer of course. > > > > Mac and Linux being natively postscript don't need drivers on the client, > > Windows being stupid and making the client do the rendering work and > > then sending tons of bitmap data across the network does need a driver. > > > Well, I must be missing something important, because I cannot get this > to work. I have tried every variation I can think of. I used the > hostname, ip address, I tried the printer name in upper and lower > case. > > The only thing that I can think of that might be causing the problem, > is that when I try 'browse' and choose my Linux computer (the one with > the printer shared), I get an error about bad credentials. Not sure > what to enter there, as entering my user account from my Linux > computer does not work. I can't believe I would need to create a user > for everyone who wants to print... Don't browse. Type it. Browsing is only for smb/cifs networking. This isn't like that. It has to be manually typed. > The settings for sharing on the printer are 'Share printers connected > to this system' and in the printer settings --> access control it is > 'allow printing for everyone'. > > Is there some way I could configure the Linux machine differently so > that discovering it from Windows would be easier? Well you must make sure the print server is configured to share in the first place. There is a checkbox for that in https://printserver:631/admin/ as far as I remember. Sounds like you did find that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 21:12:34 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:12:34 -0500 Subject: I/O throughput analysis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110124211234.GG347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 02:28:06PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: > A workmate and I had an argument that we could not seem to agree on > yesterday. That mean we did not learn anything from the discussion and > I would like to hear your opinion on it. It could help make sense of > each other arguments > > Which of these two systems would have a better input output > performance? Both system have the same configurations, CPU, chipset > everything down the power supply. They differ though with the number > of hard disk. Both system has a RAID card with a maximum speed of 6 > GB per sec > > System A has 6 drives. Each drive has a specification of 1500 RPM, > 300 GB size SAS interface. > > System B has 8 drives. Each drive is 146GB in size, 1500 RPM and also > with a SAS interface. I imagine you meant 15000 RPM in both cases. > SAS interface can comfortably handle 3 GB per second. > > So, in your opinion, is the RAID card a potential bottleneck on both systems? It could be. > Which of the two system would offer a better throughput ? The one with the larger disks, because the higher bit density gives higher throughput. The access time is almost certainly identical on the two since they are the same RPM. The 8 drive does have more heads to spread the load, so it could do a bit more I/Os per second, but the transfer rate would be lower due to the lower media density. So for I/Os per second, more disks at higher RPMs always help. For bandwidth, higher density disks are what you want. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 23:12:17 2011 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:12:17 -0500 Subject: can't restore Thunderbird from backup In-Reply-To: <4D39F7F9.7070909-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D39F7F9.7070909@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20110124231217.C2ADD32D39@ms2.vianet.ca> I don't even know if anyone saw this post or not. I got no response. Anyway, I thought I'd post my fix. Thunderbird was defaulting to IMAP protocol. So, the ISP server kept overwriting my mail folders. I deleted .thunderbird, started up Thunderbird again, this time choosing POP protocol. I pointed TB to my old mail folder and all my old emails are showing up now! Thanks - or whatever. Chris [TLUG]: can't restore Thunderbird from backup writes: > I'm trying to restore my Thunderbird mail file from backup. > > I've done this in the past successfully several times. It's not working > this time. > > I didn't take note of what version of Thunderbird was running before my > latest hard drive crash. Maybe 2. > > The Thunderbird that installed with sudo apt-get install thunderbird is > 3.1.7 > > I tried installing an older version with sudo apt-get install > thunderbird-2* and it rudely went ahead and installed Thunderbird 3 > again - only this time it took a half hour instead of a few minutes. > > I notice my saved mail has folders with .sbd extension but the new > version saves folders with .msf extension. > > I would like to do two things: > > 1. Restore my old mail if possible, and > 2. backup my mail properly for next time. > > chris at shiny-desktop:~$ cat /etc/issue > Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS \n \l > > Any ideas? > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 23:30:18 2011 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:30:18 +0000 Subject: can't restore Thunderbird from backup In-Reply-To: <20110124231217.C2ADD32D39-QC8nOcZ24QzbQjhCxjW6FA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D39F7F9.7070909@chrisaitken.net>,<20110124231217.C2ADD32D39@ms2.vianet.ca> Message-ID: I did see your post - had no solutions. Now I do, thanks. John. > From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: can't restore Thunderbird from backup > Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:12:17 -0500 > > I don't even know if anyone saw this post or not. I got no response. > Anyway, I thought I'd post my fix. Thunderbird was defaulting to IMAP > protocol. So, the ISP server kept overwriting my mail folders. I deleted > .thunderbird, started up Thunderbird again, this time choosing POP > protocol. I pointed TB to my old mail folder and all my old emails are > showing up now! > > Thanks - or whatever. > > Chris > > > [TLUG]: can't restore Thunderbird from backup writes: > > > I'm trying to restore my Thunderbird mail file from backup. > > > > I've done this in the past successfully several times. It's not working > > this time. > > > > I didn't take note of what version of Thunderbird was running before my > > latest hard drive crash. Maybe 2. > > > > The Thunderbird that installed with sudo apt-get install thunderbird is > > 3.1.7 > > > > I tried installing an older version with sudo apt-get install > > thunderbird-2* and it rudely went ahead and installed Thunderbird 3 > > again - only this time it took a half hour instead of a few minutes. > > > > I notice my saved mail has folders with .sbd extension but the new > > version saves folders with .msf extension. > > > > I would like to do two things: > > > > 1. Restore my old mail if possible, and > > 2. backup my mail properly for next time. > > > > chris at shiny-desktop:~$ cat /etc/issue > > Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS \n \l > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Chris > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 12:39:12 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 07:39:12 -0500 Subject: Remember to pay your web guys... In-Reply-To: <20110124183221.GE347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110124183221.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D3EC470.2070409@gmail.com> On 11-01-24 13:32 , Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> http://utilitybidder.co.uk/ >> >> "If you are another web developer that has been paid to change this >> then make sure you get paid up front." > > How nice. :) Though it's a great way for Jungle Creative to lose business ? we only have their word that Utility Bidder wasn't a good client. Who'd risk hiring a designer who has yanked a site over a billing dispute before? Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 13:21:54 2011 From: phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:21:54 -0500 Subject: Remember to pay your web guys... In-Reply-To: <4D3EC470.2070409-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110124183221.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D3EC470.2070409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5355E9D5-46BE-43AD-AC7E-EED75134D7BB@acm.org> On 2011-01-25, at 7:39 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Though it's a great way for Jungle Creative to lose business ? we only > have their word that Utility Bidder wasn't a good client. Well, we also have the ability to consider probability and what it would take to push someone into taking drastic steps: http://clientsfromhell.net/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 13:41:38 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:41:38 -0500 Subject: Remember to pay your web guys... In-Reply-To: <4D3EC470.2070409-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110124183221.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D3EC470.2070409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D3ED312.6030901@alteeve.com> On 01/25/2011 07:39 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 11-01-24 13:32 , Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >>> http://utilitybidder.co.uk/ >>> >>> "If you are another web developer that has been paid to change this >>> then make sure you get paid up front." >> >> How nice. :) > > Though it's a great way for Jungle Creative to lose business ? we only > have their word that Utility Bidder wasn't a good client. Who'd risk > hiring a designer who has yanked a site over a billing dispute before? > > Stewart Your point is certainly valid. To defend the designer though, I've been through the same thing. I waited until a client was a full 90 passed the due date of an invoice before I did the same thing. I didn't go so far as this person did (I used a generic "site is currently unavailable" error page). Had the client still not paid though, when I wrote their bill off, I'd have probably done the same as a community service. Thankfully it didn't come to that. -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 13:55:35 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:55:35 -0500 Subject: make a networked printer available to a subnet In-Reply-To: <20110124210906.GF347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100916150931.GE8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110103223427.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110124210906.GF347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 07:27:00PM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Lennart Sorensen >> wrote: >> > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 01:05:02AM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: >> >> Should this work automatically for a Windows client? Or do I need >> >> Samba to share a printer to Windows? >> > >> > It's automatic for most linux systems, and Mac OS X systems. ?Windows >> > being Microsoft has to do things it own way and hence makes it hard. >> > >> > You can either share with samba, or you can actually use it directly >> > from windows. >> > >> > So if you have a printer in cups named "My_Printer_123", then in windows >> > you can install a printer by asking it to add a new printer, tell it to >> > add a network printer and use the URL: >> > >> > http://printerserver:631/printers/My_Printer_123 and then pick the right >> > driver for windows to use the printer of course. >> > >> > Mac and Linux being natively postscript don't need drivers on the client, >> > Windows being stupid and making the client do the rendering work and >> > then sending tons of bitmap data across the network does need a driver. >> > >> Well, I must be missing something important, because I cannot get this >> to work. I have tried every variation I can think of. I used the >> hostname, ip address, I tried the printer name in upper and lower >> case. >> >> The only thing that I can think of that might be causing the problem, >> is that when I try 'browse' and choose my Linux computer (the one with >> the printer shared), I get an error about bad credentials. Not sure >> what to enter there, as entering my user account from my Linux >> computer does not work. I can't believe I would need to create a user >> for everyone who wants to print... > > Don't browse. ?Type it. ?Browsing is only for smb/cifs networking. > This isn't like that. ?It has to be manually typed. Well, i only tried browsing after typing it in failed. >> The settings for sharing on the printer are 'Share printers connected >> to this system' and in the printer settings --> access control it is >> 'allow printing for everyone'. >> >> Is there some way I could configure the Linux machine differently so >> that discovering it from Windows would be easier? > > Well you must make sure the print server is configured to > share in the first place. ?There is a checkbox for that in > https://printserver:631/admin/ as far as I remember. ?Sounds like you > did find that. > Yeah, I've checked that. I have always hated printing. Whenever someone used to call and say they had a problem with printing, I would break out in a cold sweat. Printers always seem to be a pain in the ass. I guess it was because I was always supporting Windows clients...still. Thanks for the tips :-) -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 17:28:14 2011 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:28:14 -0500 Subject: Remember to pay your web guys... In-Reply-To: <5355E9D5-46BE-43AD-AC7E-EED75134D7BB-HInyCGIudOg@public.gmane.org> References: <4D3EC470.2070409@gmail.com> <5355E9D5-46BE-43AD-AC7E-EED75134D7BB@acm.org> Message-ID: On January 25, 2011 08:21:54 am Phillip Mills wrote: > On 2011-01-25, at 7:39 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > Though it's a great way for Jungle Creative to lose business ? we only > > have their word that Utility Bidder wasn't a good client. > > Well, we also have the ability to consider probability and what it would > take to push someone into taking drastic steps: http://clientsfromhell.net/ And then there's THIS drastic step: http://clientsfromhell.net/post/646673542/the-forbidden-fruit I think this web designer is lucky he wasn't using FreeBSD! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/Bsd_daemon.jpg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 19:59:39 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:59:39 -0500 Subject: make a networked printer available to a subnet In-Reply-To: References: <20100916150931.GE8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110103223427.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110124210906.GF347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110125195939.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 08:55:35AM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: > Well, i only tried browsing after typing it in failed. Well what exactly did you type as the URL to the printer? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 03:43:12 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:43:12 -0500 Subject: Dialup optimization? Message-ID: <20110126034312.GC18398@waltdnes.org> What parameters besides MTU = 576 do you suggest for dialup? And also, how can they be implemented by echoing to various files in the /proc/sys/net directory? Some years ago, this was an easy Google search. Now the search results are polluted by a gazillion pieces of "free download" or "shareware" Windows registry tweakers. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 04:02:34 2011 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:02:34 -0500 Subject: Dialup optimization? In-Reply-To: <20110126034312.GC18398-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110126034312.GC18398@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20110125230234.5ebc37c7.hgibson@eol.ca> On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:43:12 -0500 "Walter Dnes" wrote: > What parameters besides MTU = 576 do you suggest for dialup? And > also, how can they be implemented by echoing to various files in the > /proc/sys/net directory? Some years ago, this was an easy Google > search. Now the search results are polluted by a gazillion pieces of > "free download" or "shareware" Windows registry tweakers. Walter, Read up on wvdialconf. This program searches for and identifies your modem, and sets modem parameters. I recall that it worked quite well -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 04:40:30 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:40:30 -0500 Subject: make a networked printer available to a subnet In-Reply-To: <20110125195939.GH347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100916150931.GE8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110103223427.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110124210906.GF347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110125195939.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 08:55:35AM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: >> Well, i only tried browsing after typing it in failed. > > Well what exactly did you type as the URL to the printer? > I tried http://node1:631/printers/MP250 (also tried lower case) and http://192.168.1.11/printers/MP250 again with lower and upper No go. Is there somewhere I can check the 'path', ie. that there is something like /printers/mp250? -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 06:28:38 2011 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 01:28:38 -0500 Subject: Dialup optimization? In-Reply-To: <20110126034312.GC18398-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110126034312.GC18398@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4D3FBF16.1090603@ve3syb.ca> Walter Dnes wrote: > What parameters besides MTU = 576 do you suggest for dialup? One of the programs that used to handle dialup was pppd. You could check for information on configuring it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 12:46:11 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 07:46:11 -0500 Subject: Dialup optimization? In-Reply-To: <20110126034312.GC18398-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110126034312.GC18398@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4D401793.1050409@rogers.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > What parameters besides MTU = 576 do you suggest for dialup? The reason for that MTU was the poor error rate of non-V.42 modems. A lower MTU is better for higher error rates. Newer modems, that run V.42, have built in error correction & very low error rate. So just go with 1500 to improve performance. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 16:14:04 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 11:14:04 -0500 Subject: make a networked printer available to a subnet In-Reply-To: References: <20100916150931.GE8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110103223427.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110124210906.GF347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110125195939.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110126161404.GI347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:40:30PM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: > I tried http://node1:631/printers/MP250 (also tried lower case) > > and http://192.168.1.11/printers/MP250 again with lower and upper > > No go. > > Is there somewhere I can check the 'path', ie. that there is something > like /printers/mp250? Your web browser should work. It should show the info about the printer when connected by a web browser. The same URL works for IPP requests as well. I have setup printers on windows this way a number of times by giving it the URL http://IP:631/printers/name and then selecting the driver for the printer. http can be replaced with ipp: although windows seems to treat them the same. It is not case sensitive. The :631 is important though. Hopefully you don't have a firewall installed blocking things. You can also check the cups logs to see if a request came in from windows when trying to set it up. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 19:43:08 2011 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:43:08 -0500 Subject: midi on ubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey folks: sorry for hte long delay, fabio. I figured out that the usb out was actually just for power -- oops! -- and I needed to hook up a usb-midi converter to get the midi signal out. Did that, now it seems to be working (see below) Really all my daughter wants to do is some minimal practicing -- that is, she wants ot be able to hear some notes when she presses the keys on the keyboard. More complex stuff may come after I guess. So, the question: what software should I install for her? In rosegarden, I can see the midi events on the midi transport, but I don't see how to hear any sounds. muse won't run, complains about a missing midi sequencer (and anyway, the two use incompatible versions of jack on ubuntu). I *don't* want to trash pulse -- if only because I've spent years fighting with alsa & jack in the past, and now I mostly just want to be able to listen to my music on banshee or amarok or gogglesmm without writing .aconfrc files & such. But I am certainly willing to run qjackctl under pasuspender while my daughter's practicing. But surely there's a simple way just to listen to the output of the keyboard in some straightforwardway? I'm trying qsynth right now but it doesn't seem to be working. Again, any help appreciated! thanks, matt On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Fabio FZero wrote: > Short answer: it will work, go ahead and install Jack. :-) > > Long answer: Most USB MIDI controllers these days are class-compliant > devices. This means they don't really need drivers to work on all > modern operating systems. This also applies to many USB soundcards > (better saying: soundbricks, since they're external), although the > number of supported features may vary - especially if you have a more > professional one with several I/O options. > > As for software, you'll probably need Jack anyway. Also try to find a > low latency or realtime kernel in the repository, as it will make the > sound system much more responsive. And don't forget to trash > PulseAudio immediately. It serves no purpose and WILL screw everything > up sooner or later. > > - Fabio > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 21:22, Matt Price wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > My daughter has borrowed a midi keyboard -- the m-audio oxygen-8, which > has > > a usb out. She wants to use it to do some basic composition. I myself > know > > very little about music and less about MIDI, but would like to help her > > connect to the family ubuntu box. That box runs ubuntu 10.10, and so > uses > > pulseaudio for things like watching tv. I'd rather not screw that up by > > trying to install jack and all that but I'll do so in a clean profile if > I > > must. Anyone out there have experience with MIDI, especially under a > recent > > ubuntu? All I really need is for the keyboard to work as a kind of > > mini-piano. > > > > Thanks as always, folks. best, > > Matt > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 20:32:25 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:32:25 -0500 Subject: Interesting announcement Message-ID: I sense a warm place freezing over... http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-announce/2011/01/26/msg000121.html -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 20:55:01 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:55:01 -0500 Subject: midi on ubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110126205501.GJ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 02:43:08PM -0500, Matt Price wrote: > Hey folks: > > sorry for hte long delay, fabio. I figured out that the usb out was > actually just for power -- oops! -- and I needed to hook up a usb-midi > converter to get the midi signal out. Did that, now it seems to be working > (see below) > > Really all my daughter wants to do is some minimal practicing -- that is, > she wants ot be able to hear some notes when she presses the keys on the > keyboard. More complex stuff may come after I guess. > > So, the question: what software should I install for her? In rosegarden, I > can see the midi events on the midi transport, but I don't see how to hear > any sounds. muse won't run, complains about a missing midi sequencer (and > anyway, the two use incompatible versions of jack on ubuntu). > > I *don't* want to trash pulse -- if only because I've spent years fighting > with alsa & jack in the past, and now I mostly just want to be able to > listen to my music on banshee or amarok or gogglesmm without writing > .aconfrc files & such. But I am certainly willing to run qjackctl under > pasuspender while my daughter's practicing. But surely there's a simple way > just to listen to the output of the keyboard in some straightforwardway? > I'm trying qsynth right now but it doesn't seem to be working. Again, any > help appreciated! thanks, > matt Listen to what output? It's not making sound, only note on/off events. Something has to apply an instrument sound to that and render it. So yes some synth is needed. I have an sb live card in my machine which has a very nice midi synth in hardware and alsa works great with it. Onboard audio things almost certainly have no clue, and something like timidity or other midi synth would be needed. Alsa is a sound driver system, pulseaudio is an audio server (it still needs alsa underneath (or oss) as the sound driver). So pulseaudio is by no means a replacement for alsa. jack just allows fast audio routing, and since you are dealing with midi, not audio, I don't see what use jack would be. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 21:43:43 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:43:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Interesting announcement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <885097.61443.qm@web113417.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> This brings up one of my pet peeves... I can download .iso files for ARM or MIPS. Then, what? I don't have motherboard that I can play with. Eg. For the longest time, I want to try Slackware version for ARM processor. The only ARM hardware I can buy is "pogoplug" computer which has only USB and RJ45 port. Pretty much useless as desktop computer. ----- Original Message ---- > From: Christopher Browne > To: GTALUG > Sent: Wed, January 26, 2011 3:32:25 PM > Subject: [TLUG]: Interesting announcement > > I sense a warm place freezing over... > http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-announce/2011/01/26/msg000121.html > > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 22:18:18 2011 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:18:18 -0500 Subject: midi on ubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Matt Price wrote: > Hey folks: > > sorry for hte long delay, fabio.? I figured out that the usb out was > actually just for power -- oops! -- and I needed to hook up a usb-midi > converter to get the midi signal out.? Did that, now it seems to be working > (see below) > > Really all my daughter wants to do is some minimal practicing -- that is, > she wants ot be able to hear some notes when she presses the keys on the > keyboard.? More complex stuff may come after I guess. > > So, the question:? what software should I install for her?? In rosegarden, I > can see the midi events on the midi transport, but I don't see how to hear > any sounds.? muse won't run, complains about a missing midi sequencer (and > anyway, the two use incompatible versions of jack on ubuntu). > > I *don't* want to trash pulse -- if only because I've spent years fighting > with alsa & jack in the past, and now I mostly just want to be able to > listen to my music on banshee or amarok or gogglesmm without writing > .aconfrc files & such.? But I am certainly willing to run qjackctl under > pasuspender while my daughter's practicing. But surely there's a simple way > just to listen to the output of the keyboard in some straightforwardway? > I'm trying qsynth right now but it doesn't seem to be working.? Again, any > help appreciated!? thanks, > matt Muse might be worth a try (apt-get install muse). Some additional resources that may also be worth looking at: - - Linux MIDI: a Brief History (a bit dated, but might be worthwhile) - Part 1 - - Part 2 - - Part 3 - - Part 4 - Good luck! -- ? Scott Elcomb ? http://www.psema4.com/?? @psema4 ? Member of the Pirate Party of Canada ? http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 22:54:17 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:54:17 -0500 Subject: Interesting announcement In-Reply-To: <885097.61443.qm-iGg6QNsgFOFeqboJWQvT7/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <885097.61443.qm@web113417.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110126225417.GK347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 01:43:43PM -0800, William Park wrote: > This brings up one of my pet peeves... I can download .iso files for ARM or > MIPS. Then, what? I don't have motherboard that I can play with. Eg. For the > longest time, I want to try Slackware version for ARM processor. The only ARM > hardware I can buy is "pogoplug" computer which has only USB and RJ45 port. > Pretty much useless as desktop computer. qemu comes to mind. Also for hardware that can be bought, then openrd-client is pretty decent. sata ports, lots of usb, vga, serial, ethernet, 1.2ghz arm, 512MB ram. I expect in the next year or so to see a number of tegra 2 and tegra 3 devices, which will be rather impressive dual and quad core arm devices. For mips, well there is things like: http://www.amazon.com/Liberty-GDNBL10USK006-Netbook-Operating-System/dp/B0027IS8AM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1248683312&sr=8-1 Loongson 3a devices would be even more interesting (4 cores). Other mips devices would be: https://www.roc-noc.com/product.php?productid=209 It would need USB for storage if 16MB flash isn't enough though. Not meant to be a PC after all. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 23:03:02 2011 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:03:02 -0500 Subject: Interesting announcement In-Reply-To: <885097.61443.qm-iGg6QNsgFOFeqboJWQvT7/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <885097.61443.qm@web113417.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D40A826.4050906@the-wire.com> On 11-01-26 04:43 PM, William Park wrote: > This brings up one of my pet peeves... I can download .iso files for ARM or > MIPS. Then, what? I don't have motherboard that I can play with. Eg. For the > longest time, I want to try Slackware version for ARM processor. The only ARM > hardware I can buy is "pogoplug" computer which has only USB and RJ45 port. > Pretty much useless as desktop computer. That tends to be the story. The processors also seem to be underpowered compared to multi-GHz desktop machines. It would be pretty credible, though, to run an ARM9 board as a local file server or GIT hub or LAN web server or whatever, without blowing up your personal carbon footprint. Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 23:03:20 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:03:20 -0500 Subject: Interesting announcement In-Reply-To: <20110126225417.GK347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <885097.61443.qm@web113417.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110126225417.GK347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110126230320.GA10350@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 05:54:17PM -0500, wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 01:43:43PM -0800, William Park wrote: > > This brings up one of my pet peeves... I can download .iso files for ARM or > > MIPS. Then, what? I don't have motherboard that I can play with. Eg. For the > > longest time, I want to try Slackware version for ARM processor. The only ARM > > hardware I can buy is "pogoplug" computer which has only USB and RJ45 port. > > Pretty much useless as desktop computer. > > qemu comes to mind. > > Also for hardware that can be bought, then openrd-client is pretty decent. > sata ports, lots of usb, vga, serial, ethernet, 1.2ghz arm, 512MB ram. > > I expect in the next year or so to see a number of tegra 2 and tegra 3 > devices, which will be rather impressive dual and quad core arm devices. > > For mips, well there is things like: > http://www.amazon.com/Liberty-GDNBL10USK006-Netbook-Operating-System/dp/B0027IS8AM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1248683312&sr=8-1 > > Loongson 3a devices would be even more interesting (4 cores). > > Other mips devices would be: > https://www.roc-noc.com/product.php?productid=209 > It would need USB for storage if 16MB flash isn't enough though. > Not meant to be a PC after all. Another MIPS one: http://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61504599/Products/CFL-006 -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 23:24:40 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:24:40 -0500 Subject: Interesting announcement In-Reply-To: <885097.61443.qm-iGg6QNsgFOFeqboJWQvT7/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <885097.61443.qm@web113417.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 4:43 PM, William Park wrote: > This brings up one of my pet peeves... ?I can download .iso files for ARM or > MIPS. ?Then, what? ?I don't have motherboard that I can play with. ?Eg. For the > longest time, I want to try Slackware version for ARM processor. ?The only ARM > hardware I can buy is "pogoplug" computer which has only USB and RJ45 port. > Pretty much useless as desktop computer. Pretty fair, yeah. There were some PowerPC designs that looked kind of interesting, but when the vendors were: a) IBM, who want to hawk AIX servers, b) Apple, who have *zero* interest in selling it without MacOS, and c) Some "embedded system" vendors that aren't really interested in talking to you if you don't want either thousands of units, or to pay $ thousands per unit, that you can "run Linux on PPC" is of rather academic interest. MIPS and ARM have frequently been not terribly different. For a long time, your choices were: a) Buy thousands of them, or b) Buy them for $thousands, MUCH pricier than an Intel/AMD motherboard. The popularity of ARM for embedded disk arrays and network routers has changed this a little, though only a little, because the result tends to be a box that's mighty wimpy for doing anything more sophisticated. You don't get to have video output, for instance. PogoPlugs are pretty neat, but... The new NVidia Tegra stuff *might* change that. There's the would-be "game changer" that at this year's CES, there were machines being announced that were not "WinTel", in involving neither Windows nor Intel. The relevant "neat thing" I saw today was this: But it's still a story I have heard before too many times to believe without a large grain of skepticism. Only if they start delivering little boxes to stores in Toronto will I truly believe it. That's another dose of "warm stuff freezing" :-) Not that I'd be disappointed to see it! :-) -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 00:06:49 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:06:49 -0500 Subject: Interesting announcement In-Reply-To: References: <885097.61443.qm@web113417.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110127000649.GL347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 06:24:40PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 4:43 PM, William Park wrote: > > This brings up one of my pet peeves... ?I can download .iso files for ARM or > > MIPS. ?Then, what? ?I don't have motherboard that I can play with. ?Eg. For the > > longest time, I want to try Slackware version for ARM processor. ?The only ARM > > hardware I can buy is "pogoplug" computer which has only USB and RJ45 port. > > Pretty much useless as desktop computer. > > Pretty fair, yeah. > > There were some PowerPC designs that looked kind of interesting, but > when the vendors were: > a) IBM, who want to hawk AIX servers, > b) Apple, who have *zero* interest in selling it without MacOS, and > c) Some "embedded system" vendors that aren't really interested in > talking to you if you don't want either thousands of units, or to pay > $ thousands per unit, > that you can "run Linux on PPC" is of rather academic interest. BeBox, Pegasus, Motorola powerpc boxes, etc. There were choices. > MIPS and ARM have frequently been not terribly different. For a long > time, your choices were: > a) Buy thousands of them, or > b) Buy them for $thousands, MUCH pricier than an Intel/AMD motherboard. > > The popularity of ARM for embedded disk arrays and network routers has > changed this a little, though only a little, because the result tends > to be a box that's mighty wimpy for doing anything more sophisticated. > You don't get to have video output, for instance. PogoPlugs are > pretty neat, but... > > The new NVidia Tegra stuff *might* change that. There's the would-be > "game changer" that at this year's CES, there were machines being > announced that were not "WinTel", in involving neither Windows nor > Intel. > > The relevant "neat thing" I saw today was this: > > > But it's still a story I have heard before too many times to believe > without a large grain of skepticism. Only if they start delivering > little boxes to stores in Toronto will I truly believe it. > > That's another dose of "warm stuff freezing" :-) Not that I'd be > disappointed to see it! :-) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 02:38:44 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:38:44 -0500 Subject: Major Linux Distributions Collaborating on Application Store Message-ID: http://www.osnews.com/story/24330/Major_Linux_Distributions_Collaborating_on_Application_Store -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 17:27:03 2011 From: meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (meng) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:27:03 -0500 Subject: Linux on a Vortex86 processor Message-ID: <5ddfb9d97b0527a920acf30437b9e089@teksavvy.com> Hi Has anyone any experience with any linux distro on a Vortex86 SoC-200MHz processor? A friend has an eBox-2300, http://www.compactpc.com.tw/ebox-2300.htm I understand it is a x86 (but not totally) compatible processor. The manufacturer, DMP Electronics, provides X-Linux: http://www.dmp.com.tw/tech/os-xlinux/r54.htm He is looking for a minimal distro but with a GUI. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 17:36:58 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:36:58 -0500 Subject: Linux on a Vortex86 processor In-Reply-To: <5ddfb9d97b0527a920acf30437b9e089-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <5ddfb9d97b0527a920acf30437b9e089@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <20110127173658.GM347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:27:03PM -0500, meng wrote: > Has anyone any experience with any linux distro on a Vortex86 SoC-200MHz processor? > > A friend has an eBox-2300, http://www.compactpc.com.tw/ebox-2300.htm > I understand it is a x86 (but not totally) compatible processor. > > The manufacturer, DMP Electronics, provides X-Linux: > http://www.dmp.com.tw/tech/os-xlinux/r54.htm > > He is looking for a minimal distro but with a GUI. > > Any help is appreciated. Thanks. Looks rather pathetic to be honest. USB 1 ports? What good are those? 200MHz x86 with 128MB ram? That's ridiculous. Unless it only costs $50, it's pretty pointless. Analog VGA wouldn't even work with most new TVs (and no old ones). HDMI would be what you want, given they seem to think this would be a good device to connect to a TV. This is a vastly better design: http://compulab.co.il/fitpc2i/html/fitpc2i-datasheet.htm As for what would run on a pathetic little box like that, well Debian would (it still runs on my 486 with 48MB ram, although most things in X are painful these days). Certainly since it's CPU is rather outdated, it needs an i386 or i486 distribution with FPU emulation enabled. Debian still is i486 compatible so it should run. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 17:46:25 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:46:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: <4D38B44C.1020608-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> Message-ID: | From: Digimer | | On 01/20/2011 05:05 PM, William Park wrote: | > Just thinking out loud... | > | > With Intel's SandyBridge cpus (i5/i7-2NNN) out now, why are they still selling | > old i3/i5/i7-NNN cpus? I mean, who's going to buy them? | | Anyone with boards prior to them. At work, I still buy oodles of | Core2Duos, which are even older. We've got a platform though that is | well tested and reliable. It's a serious hassle to switch up our | hardware more than is needed. Interesting that you should say this. See the end of this message to see relevance. I'm agonizing about building a new MythTV backend. I want lots of PCI slots to hold my Hauppauge analog tuners. (my current box had 5 tuners but is down to 4 since I needed to add a SATA contoller) + I don't want to spend a lot because who knows how long analog signals will be with us (over cable) + I want to stay with analog as long as I can because DRM prevents recording digital cable signals (the record-component-out hack is a little hacky, but I will try that; it requires a lot of Rogers STBs and whacky open-loop control of the tuner) It's come down to these choices: - use an ancient PC from inventory (lots of PCI slots, PATA, low horespower) - build a new box out of socket 775 motherboard: 5 PCI; cheap; obsolete; DDR3 Need to also buy CPU and RAM. Variant: there is version that uses DDR2; I have some DDR2. - build a new box out of a used socket 1156 board that is available 4 PCI; used price == 775 board's new price; USB 3.0, more PCIe slots Need to also buy CPU and RAM. - use a semi-current AMD box I've already built 3 PCI (the most AMD boards seem to offer) 3 is too few, I think. So: how much better are 1156 systems than 775 systems (and Socket AM2+ systems) for my purpose? Will 5 SD streams swamp + whatever Myth is doing swamp the memory bus? If so, 1156 would be much better. Will anything need much CPU? Since I've been living with an Athlon 1700 XP, I think the CPU issue is minor. I do hope to add a couple of Hauppauge HD PVRs and I don't know what load that adds. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 17:53:14 2011 From: meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (meng) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:53:14 -0500 Subject: Linux on a Vortex86 processor Message-ID: <7e3d0f3bd33e2b9221f171e1cdf004ce@teksavvy.com> Hi Len Thanks for the prompt response and the info. I had suggested a minimal install with Debian or he could try the minimal distros. I have to agree with you, not my choice of hardware. Meng -----Original message----- From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:36:58 -0500 To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Linux on a Vortex86 processor > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:27:03PM -0500, meng wrote: > > Has anyone any experience with any linux distro on a Vortex86 SoC-200MHz processor? > > > > A friend has an eBox-2300, http://www.compactpc.com.tw/ebox-2300.htm > > I understand it is a x86 (but not totally) compatible processor. > > > > The manufacturer, DMP Electronics, provides X-Linux: > > http://www.dmp.com.tw/tech/os-xlinux/r54.htm > > > > He is looking for a minimal distro but with a GUI. > > > > Any help is appreciated. Thanks. > > Looks rather pathetic to be honest. USB 1 ports? What good are those? > 200MHz x86 with 128MB ram? That's ridiculous. Unless it only costs $50, > it's pretty pointless. Analog VGA wouldn't even work with most new TVs > (and no old ones). HDMI would be what you want, given they seem to > think this would be a good device to connect to a TV. > > This is a vastly better design: > http://compulab.co.il/fitpc2i/html/fitpc2i-datasheet.htm > > As for what would run on a pathetic little box like that, well Debian > would (it still runs on my 486 with 48MB ram, although most things in > X are painful these days). Certainly since it's CPU is rather outdated, > it needs an i386 or i486 distribution with FPU emulation enabled. > Debian still is i486 compatible so it should run. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From steven.meyer-bdq14YP6qtRg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 18:04:46 2011 From: steven.meyer-bdq14YP6qtRg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (steven meyer) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:04:46 -0500 Subject: Linux on a Vortex86 processor In-Reply-To: <7e3d0f3bd33e2b9221f171e1cdf004ce-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <7e3d0f3bd33e2b9221f171e1cdf004ce@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <4D41B3BE.1050307@computer.org> On 27-Jan-11 12:53 PM, meng wrote: > Hi Len > > Thanks for the prompt response and the info. > I had suggested a minimal install with Debian or he could try the minimal distros. > > I have to agree with you, not my choice of hardware. > > Meng > I have one of these which I installed with Debian (I forget which version). I remember having a lot of trouble with the network driver. It's roughly equivalent in performance to the Compaq I bought around 1995. Nice form factor though, with space for a small hard drive. Pity the manufacturer did not keep up with the improvements in technology. Steven -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 19:06:23 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:06:23 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:46:25PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Interesting that you should say this. See the end of this message to > see relevance. > > I'm agonizing about building a new MythTV backend. > > I want lots of PCI slots to hold my Hauppauge analog tuners. > (my current box had 5 tuners but is down to 4 since I needed to add > a SATA contoller) > > + I don't want to spend a lot because who knows how long analog > signals will be with us (over cable) > > + I want to stay with analog as long as I can because DRM prevents > recording digital cable signals (the record-component-out hack is a > little hacky, but I will try that; it requires a lot of Rogers STBs > and whacky open-loop control of the tuner) Open loop? > It's come down to these choices: > > - use an ancient PC from inventory (lots of PCI slots, PATA, low > horespower) > > - build a new box out of socket 775 motherboard: > > 5 PCI; cheap; obsolete; DDR3 > Need to also buy CPU and RAM. > Variant: there is version that uses DDR2; I have some DDR2. > > - build a new box out of a used socket 1156 board that is available > 4 PCI; used price == 775 board's new price; USB 3.0, more PCIe slots > Need to also buy CPU and RAM. > > - use a semi-current AMD box I've already built > 3 PCI (the most AMD boards seem to offer) > 3 is too few, I think. > > So: how much better are 1156 systems than 775 systems (and Socket AM2+ > systems) for my purpose? Depends what you are doing. > Will 5 SD streams swamp + whatever Myth is doing swamp the memory bus? > If so, 1156 would be much better. Well if you use hardware mpeg2 compression cards, then I doubt it would be much load at all. > Will anything need much CPU? Since I've been living with an Athlon > 1700 XP, I think the CPU issue is minor. I do hope to add a couple of > Hauppauge HD PVRs and I don't know what load that adds. The HD PVR compresses to MPEG 4 in hardware, so the data isn't that much, although USB being extremely inefficient may take a decent chunk of CPU to handle. Of course there are crazy solutions out there: http://www.magma.com/4slot.asp Box with 4 PCI slots, attaches by cable to the host and uses one slot there (PCIe or PCI, your choice). Too bad it is stupidly expensive ($1500). It would be cheaper to build multiple backend machines with a couple of PCI cards each. Another method is a PCI bridge riser like this one: http://www.orbitmicro.com/global/rc2-019-p-686.html Turns one PCI slot into 3 slots. Add a PCI extender cable and you could actually use multiple. How you mount the cards in the case is another interesting issue then. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 21:32:46 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:32:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: <20110127190623.GN347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jan 2011, Lennart Sorensen wrote: | Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:06:23 -0500 | From: Lennart Sorensen | Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org | To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org | Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. | | On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:46:25PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > + I want to stay with analog as long as I can because DRM prevents | > recording digital cable signals (the record-component-out hack is a | > little hacky, but I will try that; it requires a lot of Rogers STBs | > and whacky open-loop control of the tuner) | | Open loop? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-loop_controller The controller gets no feedback from the controllee so it doesn't know for sure that its commands have had the desired effect. IR remotes are only open-loop because they assume that the human can monitor the results and correct for failures. An IR blaster cannot observe the TV screen or set-top-box display to see if the commands were registered. Is firewire control of the STB yield feedback to the controller? Another question: I bought a firewire controller just for controlling a couple of STBs. The controller has one ordinary FW connector and two 9-pin connectors ones for 800MHz firewire (I think). http://www.dynexproducts.com/products/computers/DX-PCI2PF.html I guess that I need a 9-Pin to old-fashioned FW converter or cable. Is that correct? Are such cables common? | > So: how much better are 1156 systems than 775 systems (and Socket AM2+ | > systems) for my purpose? | | Depends what you are doing. TV stuff. [I've just ordered DDR3 RAM, so I'm getting committed to this project: nothing I currently have would accept DDR3 DIMMs.] | > Will 5 SD streams swamp + whatever Myth is doing swamp the memory bus? | > If so, 1156 would be much better. | | Well if you use hardware mpeg2 compression cards, then I doubt it would | be much load at all. Yes. | > Will anything need much CPU? Since I've been living with an Athlon | > 1700 XP, I think the CPU issue is minor. I do hope to add a couple of | > Hauppauge HD PVRs and I don't know what load that adds. | | The HD PVR compresses to MPEG 4 in hardware, so the data isn't that much, | although USB being extremely inefficient may take a decent chunk of CPU | to handle. Are USB3 ports (as on the socket 1156 I'm looking at, (when used as USB 2 (for the Hauppauge HD PVR) likely to be less CPU intensive than ordinary USB2 ports? | Of course there are crazy solutions out there: | http://www.magma.com/4slot.asp | | Box with 4 PCI slots, attaches by cable to the host and uses one slot | there (PCIe or PCI, your choice). Too bad it is stupidly expensive | ($1500). It would be cheaper to build multiple backend machines with | a couple of PCI cards each. | | Another method is a PCI bridge riser like this one: | http://www.orbitmicro.com/global/rc2-019-p-686.html | Turns one PCI slot into 3 slots. Add a PCI extender cable and you could | actually use multiple. How you mount the cards in the case is another | interesting issue then. A big honking motherboard looks to be cheaper. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 21:41:05 2011 From: solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (solarflow99) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:41:05 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: isn't it true that in several months, all those analog cards won't work anymore? On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:32 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jan 2011, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > | Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:06:23 -0500 > | From: Lennart Sorensen > | Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > | To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > | Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. > | > | On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:46:25PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > | > ? ? + I want to stay with analog as long as I can because DRM prevents > | > ? ? ? recording digital cable signals (the record-component-out hack is a > | > ? ? ? little hacky, but I will try that; it requires a lot of Rogers STBs > | > ? ? ? and whacky open-loop control of the tuner) > | > | Open loop? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-loop_controller > > The controller gets no feedback from the controllee so it doesn't know > for sure that its commands have had the desired effect. ?IR remotes > are only open-loop because they assume that the human can monitor the > results and correct for failures. ?An IR blaster cannot observe the TV > screen or set-top-box display to see if the commands were registered. > > Is firewire control of the STB yield feedback to the controller? > > Another question: > > I bought a firewire controller just for controlling a couple of STBs. > The controller has one ordinary FW connector and two 9-pin connectors > ones for 800MHz firewire (I think). > http://www.dynexproducts.com/products/computers/DX-PCI2PF.html > I guess that I need a 9-Pin to old-fashioned FW converter or cable. > > Is that correct? ?Are such cables common? > > | > So: how much better are 1156 systems than 775 systems (and Socket AM2+ > | > systems) for my purpose? > | > | Depends what you are doing. > > TV stuff. > > [I've just ordered DDR3 RAM, so I'm getting committed to this > project: nothing I currently have would accept DDR3 DIMMs.] > > | > Will 5 SD streams swamp + whatever Myth is doing swamp the memory bus? > | > If so, 1156 would be much better. > | > | Well if you use hardware mpeg2 compression cards, then I doubt it would > | be much load at all. > > Yes. > > | > Will anything need much CPU? ?Since I've been living with an Athlon > | > 1700 XP, I think the CPU issue is minor. ?I do hope to add a couple of > | > Hauppauge HD PVRs and I don't know what load that adds. > | > | The HD PVR compresses to MPEG 4 in hardware, so the data isn't that much, > | although USB being extremely inefficient may take a decent chunk of CPU > | to handle. > > Are USB3 ports (as on the socket 1156 I'm looking at, (when used as > USB 2 (for the Hauppauge HD PVR) likely to be less CPU intensive than > ordinary USB2 ports? > > | Of course there are crazy solutions out there: > | http://www.magma.com/4slot.asp > | > | Box with 4 PCI slots, attaches by cable to the host and uses one slot > | there (PCIe or PCI, your choice). ?Too bad it is stupidly expensive > | ($1500). ?It would be cheaper to build multiple backend machines with > | a couple of PCI cards each. > | > | Another method is a PCI bridge riser like this one: > | http://www.orbitmicro.com/global/rc2-019-p-686.html > | Turns one PCI slot into 3 slots. ?Add a PCI extender cable and you could > | actually use multiple. ?How you mount the cards in the case is another > | interesting issue then. > > A big honking motherboard looks to be cheaper. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 21:42:45 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:42:45 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Well couldn't you use those Analog cards on a Set Top Box, and using a IR Blaster to change the channels? I used my PVR-150 that way when I was using mythtv. The set top box has an analog signal no? On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:41 PM, solarflow99 wrote: > isn't it true that in several months, all those analog cards won't work > anymore? > > > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:32 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier > wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Jan 2011, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > > | Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:06:23 -0500 > > | From: Lennart Sorensen > > | Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > | To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > | Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. > > | > > | On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:46:25PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > > > | > + I want to stay with analog as long as I can because DRM > prevents > > | > recording digital cable signals (the record-component-out hack > is a > > | > little hacky, but I will try that; it requires a lot of Rogers > STBs > > | > and whacky open-loop control of the tuner) > > | > > | Open loop? > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-loop_controller > > > > The controller gets no feedback from the controllee so it doesn't know > > for sure that its commands have had the desired effect. IR remotes > > are only open-loop because they assume that the human can monitor the > > results and correct for failures. An IR blaster cannot observe the TV > > screen or set-top-box display to see if the commands were registered. > > > > Is firewire control of the STB yield feedback to the controller? > > > > Another question: > > > > I bought a firewire controller just for controlling a couple of STBs. > > The controller has one ordinary FW connector and two 9-pin connectors > > ones for 800MHz firewire (I think). > > http://www.dynexproducts.com/products/computers/DX-PCI2PF.html > > I guess that I need a 9-Pin to old-fashioned FW converter or cable. > > > > Is that correct? Are such cables common? > > > > | > So: how much better are 1156 systems than 775 systems (and Socket > AM2+ > > | > systems) for my purpose? > > | > > | Depends what you are doing. > > > > TV stuff. > > > > [I've just ordered DDR3 RAM, so I'm getting committed to this > > project: nothing I currently have would accept DDR3 DIMMs.] > > > > | > Will 5 SD streams swamp + whatever Myth is doing swamp the memory > bus? > > | > If so, 1156 would be much better. > > | > > | Well if you use hardware mpeg2 compression cards, then I doubt it would > > | be much load at all. > > > > Yes. > > > > | > Will anything need much CPU? Since I've been living with an Athlon > > | > 1700 XP, I think the CPU issue is minor. I do hope to add a couple > of > > | > Hauppauge HD PVRs and I don't know what load that adds. > > | > > | The HD PVR compresses to MPEG 4 in hardware, so the data isn't that > much, > > | although USB being extremely inefficient may take a decent chunk of CPU > > | to handle. > > > > Are USB3 ports (as on the socket 1156 I'm looking at, (when used as > > USB 2 (for the Hauppauge HD PVR) likely to be less CPU intensive than > > ordinary USB2 ports? > > > > | Of course there are crazy solutions out there: > > | http://www.magma.com/4slot.asp > > | > > | Box with 4 PCI slots, attaches by cable to the host and uses one slot > > | there (PCIe or PCI, your choice). Too bad it is stupidly expensive > > | ($1500). It would be cheaper to build multiple backend machines with > > | a couple of PCI cards each. > > | > > | Another method is a PCI bridge riser like this one: > > | http://www.orbitmicro.com/global/rc2-019-p-686.html > > | Turns one PCI slot into 3 slots. Add a PCI extender cable and you > could > > | actually use multiple. How you mount the cards in the case is another > > | interesting issue then. > > > > A big honking motherboard looks to be cheaper. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 22:53:59 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:53:59 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110127225359.GO347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 04:32:46PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-loop_controller > > The controller gets no feedback from the controllee so it doesn't know > for sure that its commands have had the desired effect. IR remotes > are only open-loop because they assume that the human can monitor the > results and correct for failures. An IR blaster cannot observe the TV > screen or set-top-box display to see if the commands were registered. > > Is firewire control of the STB yield feedback to the controller? Hmm, good question. I have never had firewire fail. > Another question: > > I bought a firewire controller just for controlling a couple of STBs. > The controller has one ordinary FW connector and two 9-pin connectors > ones for 800MHz firewire (I think). > http://www.dynexproducts.com/products/computers/DX-PCI2PF.html > I guess that I need a 9-Pin to old-fashioned FW converter or cable. I think you can get an FW800 to FW400 adapter cable that just ignores some pins. I have never used FW800 at all. > Is that correct? Are such cables common? Probably. Never looked. > TV stuff. > > [I've just ordered DDR3 RAM, so I'm getting committed to this > project: nothing I currently have would accept DDR3 DIMMs.] It's always good to stick with ram from the tested list from the motherboard. Sometimes things are incompatible. > Are USB3 ports (as on the socket 1156 I'm looking at, (when used as > USB 2 (for the Hauppauge HD PVR) likely to be less CPU intensive than > ordinary USB2 ports? USB3 only helps for USB3 devices. USB1 and 2 have no concept of interrupts, and hence always poll. > A big honking motherboard looks to be cheaper. Sure, if it exists anymore. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 22:54:18 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:54:18 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110127225418.GP347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 04:41:05PM -0500, solarflow99 wrote: > isn't it true that in several months, all those analog cards won't work anymore? Analog cable will stick around a while yet. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 23:18:41 2011 From: meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (meng) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:18:41 -0500 Subject: Linux on a Vortex86 processor Message-ID: Thanks, Steven I found this, Review: DM&P/Icop eBox 4300 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/Linux-For-Devices-Articles/Review-DMPIcop-eBox-4300/ "...A year or so ago I spent $100 on a thin-client just to see how close it could come to meeting my desktop needs. Called the eBox 2300, it sports 128MB of RAM and a 200MHz S3 SoC chip that provides 400 "bogomips" running Linux. Install Puppy Linux, or Debian with fvwm instead of gnome, and it's barely adequate. Then you try running a browser -- even Opera -- and find yourself running for the laptop in your briefcase, or postponing those tasks that you can. And the sound is 8-bit mono..." My friend had already narrowed the distro to DSL or Puppy Linux. So now, he can add Debian and X-Linux to his options. Thanks again. Meng -----Original message----- From: steven meyer steven.meyer-bdq14YP6qtRg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:04:46 -0500 To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Linux on a Vortex86 processor > > On 27-Jan-11 12:53 PM, meng wrote: > > Hi Len > > > > Thanks for the prompt response and the info. > > I had suggested a minimal install with Debian or he could try the minimal distros. > > > > I have to agree with you, not my choice of hardware. > > > > Meng > > > I have one of these which I installed with Debian (I forget which > version). I remember having a lot of trouble with the network driver. > It's roughly equivalent in performance to the Compaq I bought around > 1995. Nice form factor though, with space for a small hard drive. > Pity the manufacturer did not keep up with the improvements in technology. > > Steven > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 01:27:46 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:27:46 -0500 Subject: cleaning up home directory? Message-ID: <4D421B92.9060001@rogers.com> So I started to using rsync to back up my home directory. I used the arguments -av I see thousands of files in the ./thumbnails directory and sub-directories. It looks like pure garbage and I would think a hit on performance. Should I want to clean this up? What is Gnome doing here? Thanks Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 02:41:50 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:41:50 -0500 Subject: cleaning up home directory? In-Reply-To: <4D421B92.9060001-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D421B92.9060001@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Stephen wrote: > So I started to using rsync to back up my home directory. > > I used the arguments -av > > I see thousands of files in the ./thumbnails directory and sub-directories. > > It looks like pure garbage and I would think a hit on performance. > > Should I want to clean this up? > > What is Gnome doing here? Yeah, chances are pretty good that these are ancient files and hence trimmable. Wild guess would be that apps like Nautilus (file browser/manager) would induce creation of such, when using a "file mangler" to browse pictures and such. It's not impossible that it might induce creating little images to represent the first page of a spreadsheet or other document. Here's some suggestive confirmation :-) http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/02/15/clean-up-old-thumbnails/ It suggests cleaning old ones out once a month; I'd suggest doing this more frequently, but still, cleaning out only fairly old files. It's disappointing that there's not already something to do so. A reasonable mechanism would be to have some Gnome parameter (I make this up!) which indicates the age at which to let them go, and, any time an application *generates* a new thumbnail, it should take a quick peek, and attempt to clear out a few elderly ones. Principles: - This shouldn't be super-expensive, not compared to the computational and I/O effort involved in creating a *new* thumbnail. - Just trim a few each time; if the policy tends to clean out more than it's generating, then the trend is in the right direction, and things should never worsen beyond some initial level. - A little cleaning at a time amortizes the cost so it shouldn't be too noticeable. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 03:25:36 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 22:25:36 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [happenlink] Linux skills are hot in an improving IT hiring front In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Got this off a job hunting mailing list that I am on... Interesting stuff... Colin McGregor ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jim & Joy Pacella [snip] Date: Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:07 PM Subject: [happenlink] Linux skills are hot in an improving IT hiring front To: HappenLink Linux skills are hot in an improving IT hiring front Challenger, Gray & Christmas reports that employers announced plans to cut only 46,825 IT jobs during 2010--a full 73 per cent fewer than the 174,629 technology job cuts in 2009 By: katherine noyes PC World (U.S.) (26 Jan 2011) IT professionals enjoyed a dramatically improved hiring landscape in 2010, marked in particular by the fewest job cuts in a year since 2000. That's according to global outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas, which on Monday reported that employers announced plans to cut only 46,825 IT jobs during 2010--a full 73 percent fewer than the 174,629 technology job cuts in 2009. That 73 percent decline also exceeds by far the 59 percent decrease in overall job cuts across all industries, which fell from 1,288,033 in 2009 to 529,973 in 2010, the firm reported. Thank You, Smartphone and Tablets "Many industries are still struggling, even as the economy recovers; the technology sector does not appear to be in this camp, however," said John A. Challenger, the consultancy's CEO. "These firms are definitely on the leading edge of the recovery, as companies across the country and around the globe begin to upgrade and reinvest in their technology." The popularity of smartphones and tablets, in particular, is helping to drive growth in electronics, telecom and computers, Challenger noted. Indeed, Forrester Research predicts that 2011 IT spending will increase 7.5 percent in the U.S. and 7.1 percent globally, Challenger, Gray & Christmas noted, while employment research firm Dice expects IT hiring to increase this year. 'Looking for Linux Talent' What's particularly exciting for those with an interest in Linux, however, is that skills in the open source operating system are in particular demand, according to Dice. Not only are job postings on the IT and engineering site up 40 percent generally compared with last year, but postings seeking Linux knowledge have increased a full 47 percent over last year, the Linux Foundation reports. Windows-related postings, by comparison, have increased by only 40 percent. "The number of Linux-based projects is rapidly increasing all over this industry," Intel's Linux and Open Source Technologist Dirk Hohndel told the Linux Foundation. "More and more devices and systems and services are built based on Linux, and therefore, more and more manufacturers and vendors are looking for Linux talent." Linux professionals also tend to get a significant salary premium of as much as 10 percent over other IT workers, Dice reported last year. An Employee's Market We've already seen evidence piling up that large enterprises are increasingly turning to Linux for mission-critical applications. We've also seen that a lack of Linux skills is frequently cited as the key stumbling block preventing businesses from using Linux even more. Put those two facts together, and it's not surprising to see a surge in demand for Linux skills. For SMBs, this could mean that it will be tougher than ever to find the skilled Linux workers you need--and that you'll have to pay them more when you find them. It may be a good time to bolster your in-house Linux skills instead through educational offerings like the online Master's Program in Free Software and Free Standards, as I noted last fall. Advice for IT Professionals For Linux professionals, on the other hand, the outlook for this year could be very rosy indeed. Among the recommendations from the Linux Foundation's panel of experts were the following: Participate in the open source community -- let your code be seen, and attend relevant events. Demonstrate how you've helped a business with Linux or open source software. Don't generalize too far -- pick a niche you love and focus on it. Keep learning. The Linux Foundation offers a variety of courses in embedded and kernel-level Linux development, for example. Copyright C 2011 ITworldcanada.com Jim Pacella [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: New Members 11 Visit Your Group To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: happenlink-unsubscribe-hHKSG33TihgD7/nhltJ10Q at public.gmane.org To reply to the whole group change the Reply ? To line in the header to HAPPENlink-hHKSG33TihgD7/nhltJ10Q at public.gmane.org If you cannot see the whole header click on the + sign next to the title ?Subject? Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use . __,_._,___ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 03:31:20 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 22:31:20 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 04:41:05PM -0500, solarflow99 wrote > isn't it true that in several months, all those analog cards won't > work anymore? Most OTA (Over The Air) analogue broadcasts are shutting down in Canada as of August 31 this year, barring last minute delays like they had in the USA. Analog stations... * far away from the US border * in isolated areas * and no higher than channel 51 ...will be allowed to keep going for a while. This is mostly so that low-power repeaters in isolated areas that run off microwave links can continue and be replaced as they wear out. BTW, almost all the Toronto stations (notable exception of TVO) are already running digital broadcasts in parallel with analogue. Real high-def is stunning. Once you see it, you'll never want to go back to analogue. See http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/ fior a list of digital TV stations that can be received in the Greater Toronto and Hamilton area. Some local channels will change physical frequencies on the switchover date, and others will increase from low power to "full power". Pluse TVO will do a "flash cut" switch to digital. By the way, it's free and legal. Rogers/Bell/etc don't get a penny from me. I believe that the current SUN TV will be shutting down soon. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 11:56:56 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 06:56:56 -0500 Subject: cleaning up home directory? In-Reply-To: <4D421B92.9060001-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D421B92.9060001@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 27 January 2011 20:27, Stephen wrote: > I see thousands of files in the ./thumbnails directory and sub-directories. > > It looks like pure garbage and I would think a hit on performance. > Should I want to clean this up? I don't know of any dedicated programs or methods to maintain thumbnails but the Geeqie image viewer includes a tool. Edit -> Preferences -> Thumbnail maintenance... >From here you can clean up or clear the shared thumbnail cache. I suspect a clean up will check if the image file still exists for each thumbnail and then delete the thumbnail if not. For Ubuntu, Geeqie is available from the Software Centre. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 12:38:48 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 07:38:48 -0500 Subject: cleaning up home directory? In-Reply-To: <4D421B92.9060001-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D421B92.9060001@rogers.com> Message-ID: Apparently, Gnome will do some automatic maintenance of the thumbnail cache based on age and directory size. There are some GConf configuration parameters to tune this: sudo gconf-editor desktop -> gnome -> thumbnail_cache You can set the maximum age for a thumbnail and the maximum total size of all thumbnails. For backups, I don't think it would be a problem to add rsync parameters to not back up the ./thumbnails directory since thumbnails will be recreated as necessary if they don't exist. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 15:40:41 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 10:40:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: <20110128033120.GA6026-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: | From: Walter Dnes | Most OTA (Over The Air) analogue broadcasts are shutting down in | Canada as of August 31 this year, barring last minute delays like they | had in the USA. Analog stations... I don't get any OTA signals -- I'm in a deep valley (Hogg's Hollow). Perhaps half of my analogue cards can do ATSC including Clear QAM. Unfortunately, Rogers encrypts all QAM. I'm hoping Rogers doesn't drop analogue on cable. The CRTC has a policy that cable companies can drop analogue on cable once a certain threshold of digital STB penetration is reached. I don't remember the threshold but I wouldn't know the penetration rate either. | Once you see it, you'll never want to go back to | analogue. I actually like bad analogue better than bad digital. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 16:02:34 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:02:34 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4D42E89A.308@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I'm hoping Rogers doesn't drop analogue on cable. Actually, I'm hoping they will. That will free up an enormous amount of bandwidth that can be used for more soaps and reality & game shows! ;-) I run HD on all my sets and the only thing I have left that's analog only is my VCR, which I haven't used for recording in about 2 years. Of course, if you still need an analog signal, you can get a SD converter that will convert digital to analog. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 20:34:54 2011 From: solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (solarflow99) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:34:54 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: <20110128202103.GA8899-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: > ?* Rogers encrypts all their digital cable signals. ?A TV tuner card > ? ?will *NOT* allow you to view, let alone record, a Rogers digital > ? ?cable (QAM) signal. Then everyone will need a decoder box in addition to the TV I suppose, just like express vu has? I wonder if there is any way to process that with software so you can use the PC for everything? I noticed few TV tuner cards that support analog/digital in linux, only some higher end models.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 20:45:13 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:45:13 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 03:34:54PM -0500, solarflow99 wrote: > Then everyone will need a decoder box in addition to the TV I suppose, > just like express vu has? I wonder if there is any way to process > that with software so you can use the PC for everything? > > I noticed few TV tuner cards that support analog/digital in linux, > only some higher end models.. In the US where cable companies are supposedly required to carry local over the air channels unencrypted, things work great. Canada has no such requirement, and Rogers loves being a pain in the ass so everything is encrypted. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 21:16:58 2011 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:16:58 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: <20110128204513.GQ347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 15:45, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 03:34:54PM -0500, solarflow99 wrote: >> Then everyone will need a decoder box in addition to the TV I suppose, >> just like express vu has? ?I wonder if there is any way to process >> that with software so you can use the PC for everything? >> >> I noticed few TV tuner cards that support analog/digital in linux, >> only some higher end models.. > > In the US where cable companies are supposedly required to carry local > over the air channels unencrypted, things work great. ?Canada has no > such requirement, and Rogers loves being a pain in the ass so everything > is encrypted. > > -- > Len Sorensen My former friend has Rogers Cable hooked up to his PC with a TV tuner card, and is able to record shows, etc. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 22:02:08 2011 From: jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:02:08 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D433CE0.4040300@yaknet.ca> On 11-01-28 04:16 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 15:45, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 03:34:54PM -0500, solarflow99 wrote: >>> Then everyone will need a decoder box in addition to the TV I suppose, >>> just like express vu has? I wonder if there is any way to process >>> that with software so you can use the PC for everything? >>> >>> I noticed few TV tuner cards that support analog/digital in linux, >>> only some higher end models.. >> In the US where cable companies are supposedly required to carry local >> over the air channels unencrypted, things work great. Canada has no >> such requirement, and Rogers loves being a pain in the ass so everything >> is encrypted. >> >> -- >> Len Sorensen > My former friend has Rogers Cable hooked up to his PC with a TV tuner > card, and is able to record shows, etc. > The basic channels are not encrypted. I too have wondered why the Roger's and others are allowed to downgrade signals, encrypted and then require a special box. I own 2 SD boxes and refuse to buy or rent an HD box. I have an OTA antennae in my attic and get all the Toronto and US chanels in HD. Especially nice for the US commercials during the Superbowl when I utilize it with my computer and display via my projector onto 100" screen. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 22:13:54 2011 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:13:54 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: <4D433CE0.4040300-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D433CE0.4040300@yaknet.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 17:02, John Myshrall wrote: > On 11-01-28 04:16 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 15:45, Lennart Sorensen >> ?wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 03:34:54PM -0500, solarflow99 wrote: >>>> >>>> Then everyone will need a decoder box in addition to the TV I suppose, >>>> just like express vu has? ?I wonder if there is any way to process >>>> that with software so you can use the PC for everything? >>>> >>>> I noticed few TV tuner cards that support analog/digital in linux, >>>> only some higher end models.. >>> >>> In the US where cable companies are supposedly required to carry local >>> over the air channels unencrypted, things work great. ?Canada has no >>> such requirement, and Rogers loves being a pain in the ass so everything >>> is encrypted. >>> >>> -- >>> Len Sorensen >> >> My former friend has Rogers Cable hooked up to his PC with a TV tuner >> card, and is able to record shows, etc. >> > The basic channels are not encrypted. > > I too have wondered why the Roger's and others are allowed to downgrade > signals, encrypted and then require a special box. I own 2 SD boxes and > refuse to buy or rent an HD box. > > I have an OTA antennae in my attic and get all the Toronto and US chanels in > HD. ?Especially nice for the US commercials during the Superbowl when I > utilize it with my computer and display via my projector onto 100" screen. > > John He doesn't have Basic Cable from Rogers though, he has VIP. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 22:20:41 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:20:41 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: References: <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110128222041.GR347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 04:16:58PM -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 15:45, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 03:34:54PM -0500, solarflow99 wrote: > >> Then everyone will need a decoder box in addition to the TV I suppose, > >> just like express vu has? ?I wonder if there is any way to process > >> that with software so you can use the PC for everything? > >> > >> I noticed few TV tuner cards that support analog/digital in linux, > >> only some higher end models.. > > > > In the US where cable companies are supposedly required to carry local > > over the air channels unencrypted, things work great. ?Canada has no > > such requirement, and Rogers loves being a pain in the ass so everything > > is encrypted. > > > > -- > > Len Sorensen > > My former friend has Rogers Cable hooked up to his PC with a TV tuner > card, and is able to record shows, etc. Sure, by recording analog. I was talking about digital (QAM). Rogers has no clear QAM anymore. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 29 01:02:44 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:02:44 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D436734.60900@rogers.com> Michael Lauzon wrote: > My former friend has Rogers Cable hooked up to his PC with a TV tuner > card, and is able to record shows, etc. > Analog signals are still available on Rogers, but eventually they're likely to end. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 29 05:41:08 2011 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 00:41:08 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [happenlink] Linux skills are hot in an improving IT hiring front In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I subscribe to a few jobs RSS feeds, since there's always someone looking for something. I also have to hire people myself sometimes, so it's good to have a feel of the market. The trends I'm seeing so far are: - Android & iOS development; - Virtual server cluster administration (not only Amazon, but VPSs in general); - Front-end (UI/UX) web development (this has been hot for a while actually); - Web development with Ruby, Python and (to a lesser extent) PHP for consumer-facing apps; - Web development in boring old Java and .Net for enterprise apps (booooring... but still pays fairly well). I'd say that the single hottest one right now is mobile development. Have you guys seen the number of Android tablets and phones that will be launched this year? There are some pretty cool and cheap gadgets on the way, and everybody will want to put their apps on them. While iOS is still the leading platform for mobile apps right now, the barriers to entry for Android are much lower - and if you know your way around Linux and Java, you're halfway there already. - FZ On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 22:25, Colin McGregor wrote: > Got this off a job hunting mailing list that I am on... Interesting stuff... > > Colin McGregor > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Jim & Joy Pacella [snip] > Date: Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:07 PM > Subject: [happenlink] Linux skills are hot in an improving IT hiring front > To: HappenLink > > Linux skills are hot in an improving IT hiring front > > Challenger, Gray & Christmas reports that employers announced plans to cut > only 46,825 IT jobs during 2010--a full 73 per cent fewer than the 174,629 > technology job cuts in 2009 > > By: katherine noyes > > PC World (U.S.) (26 Jan 2011) > > IT professionals enjoyed a dramatically improved hiring landscape in 2010, > marked in particular by the fewest job cuts in a year since 2000. > > That's according to global outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas, > which on Monday reported that employers announced plans to cut only 46,825 > IT jobs during 2010--a full 73 percent fewer than the 174,629 technology job > cuts in 2009. > > That 73 percent decline also exceeds by far the 59 percent decrease in > overall job cuts across all industries, which fell from 1,288,033 in 2009 to > 529,973 in 2010, the firm reported. > > Thank You, Smartphone and Tablets > > "Many industries are still struggling, even as the economy recovers; the > technology sector does not appear to be in this camp, however," said John A. > Challenger, the consultancy's CEO. "These firms are definitely on the > leading edge of the recovery, as companies across the country and around the > globe begin to upgrade and reinvest in their technology." > > The popularity of smartphones and tablets, in particular, is helping to > drive growth in electronics, telecom and computers, Challenger noted. > > Indeed, Forrester Research predicts that 2011 IT spending will increase 7.5 > percent in the U.S. and 7.1 percent globally, Challenger, Gray & Christmas > noted, while employment research firm Dice expects IT hiring to increase > this year. > > 'Looking for Linux Talent' > > What's particularly exciting for those with an interest in Linux, however, > is that skills in the open source operating system are in particular demand, > according to Dice. > > Not only are job postings on the IT and engineering site up 40 percent > generally compared with last year, but postings seeking Linux knowledge have > increased a full 47 percent over last year, the Linux Foundation reports. > Windows-related postings, by comparison, have increased by only 40 percent. > > "The number of Linux-based projects is rapidly increasing all over this > industry," Intel's Linux and Open Source Technologist Dirk Hohndel told the > Linux Foundation. "More and more devices and systems and services are built > based on Linux, and therefore, more and more manufacturers and vendors are > looking for Linux talent." > > Linux professionals also tend to get a significant salary premium of as much > as 10 percent over other IT workers, Dice reported last year. > > An Employee's Market > > We've already seen evidence piling up that large enterprises are > increasingly turning to Linux for mission-critical applications. We've also > seen that a lack of Linux skills is frequently cited as the key stumbling > block preventing businesses from using Linux even more. > > Put those two facts together, and it's not surprising to see a surge in > demand for Linux skills. > > For SMBs, this could mean that it will be tougher than ever to find the > skilled Linux workers you need--and that you'll have to pay them more when > you find them. It may be a good time to bolster your in-house Linux skills > instead through educational offerings like the online Master's Program in > Free Software and Free Standards, as I noted last fall. > > Advice for IT Professionals > > For Linux professionals, on the other hand, the outlook for this year could > be very rosy indeed. Among the recommendations from the Linux Foundation's > panel of experts were the following: > > Participate in the open source community -- let your code be seen, and > attend relevant events. > > Demonstrate how you've helped a business with Linux or open source software. > > Don't generalize too far -- pick a niche you love and focus on it. > > Keep learning. The Linux Foundation offers a variety of courses in embedded > and kernel-level Linux development, for example. > > Copyright C 2011 > > ITworldcanada.com > > Jim Pacella > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __._,_.___ > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new topic > Messages in this topic (1) > Recent Activity: > > New Members 11 > > Visit Your Group > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > happenlink-unsubscribe-hHKSG33TihgD7/nhltJ10Q at public.gmane.org > > To reply to the whole group change the Reply ? To line in > the header to HAPPENlink-hHKSG33TihgD7/nhltJ10Q at public.gmane.org > > If you cannot see the whole header click on the + sign next to the > title ?Subject? > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use > . > __,_._,___ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 29 12:54:29 2011 From: jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 07:54:29 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D433CE0.4040300@yaknet.ca> Message-ID: <4D440E05.1080601@yaknet.ca> On 11-01-28 05:13 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 17:02, John Myshrall wrote: >> On 11-01-28 04:16 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: >>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 15:45, Lennart Sorensen >>> wrote: >>>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 03:34:54PM -0500, solarflow99 wrote: >>>>> Then everyone will need a decoder box in addition to the TV I suppose, >>>>> just like express vu has? I wonder if there is any way to process >>>>> that with software so you can use the PC for everything? >>>>> >>>>> I noticed few TV tuner cards that support analog/digital in linux, >>>>> only some higher end models.. >>>> In the US where cable companies are supposedly required to carry local >>>> over the air channels unencrypted, things work great. Canada has no >>>> such requirement, and Rogers loves being a pain in the ass so everything >>>> is encrypted. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Len Sorensen >>> My former friend has Rogers Cable hooked up to his PC with a TV tuner >>> card, and is able to record shows, etc. >>> >> The basic channels are not encrypted. >> >> I too have wondered why the Roger's and others are allowed to downgrade >> signals, encrypted and then require a special box. I own 2 SD boxes and >> refuse to buy or rent an HD box. >> >> I have an OTA antennae in my attic and get all the Toronto and US chanels in >> HD. Especially nice for the US commercials during the Superbowl when I >> utilize it with my computer and display via my projector onto 100" screen. >> >> John > He doesn't have Basic Cable from Rogers though, he has VIP. > > The basic channels 2 - 28 and some other ones are not encrypted. It doesn't matter if you have VIP those channels will come in without a roger box on a tv with a digital or analog tuner (for now). I have both here where I live and some packaged that is between VIP and basic. I got it the better deal because I threaten to switch. My Analog TV will not get the VIP service and neither would my 24 LCD Samsung. They both got the basic channels albeit 1 digital and the other analog. I caved and go another SD box for $49.00. If your former friend is recording VIP channels then they must be routing it through a rogers box otherwise the VIP channels are encrypted. I can record basic on mine without a rogers box. I don't bother anymore because one of my SD boxes is a PVR that they gave me for free. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marthter-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 29 21:42:36 2011 From: marthter-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (marthter) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:42:36 -0500 Subject: satellite internet Message-ID: <4D4489CC.5030801@yahoo.ca> Hey gang, Anybody used any satellite internet services? I'm trying to help a friend in cottage country who is stuck on dial up. He has a Bell analog line which gives local calling to North Bay, but they cannot put DSL onto it as it is too far from the central office, and/or the wires are too old. The satellite options I've looked into seem to be all around $60 or $70 per month. Any better options? Also, I'm figuring the latency would be too much to run VoIP over that type of link. Anybody have experience in that direction? Thanks in advance. Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 29 22:07:31 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:07:31 -0500 Subject: Any experiences with Huawei E181 USB "data stick"? Message-ID: <20110129220731.GB10627@waltdnes.org> I'm interested in Wind Mobile's Mobile Internet service in Greater Toronto, which requires this hardware... http://shop.windmobile.ca/ProductCatalog/Handsets/DatastickDetails.aspx?id=Huawei%20E181%20Data%20Stick Anyone running it under Gentoo? How well does it work? For that matter, does it work? -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 29 22:11:39 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:11:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Rogers signal encryption [was Re: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it.] In-Reply-To: <4D440E05.1080601-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D433CE0.4040300@yaknet.ca> <4D440E05.1080601@yaknet.ca> Message-ID: | From: John Myshrall | The basic channels 2 - 28 and some other ones are not encrypted. | | It doesn't matter if you have VIP those channels will come in without a roger | box on a tv with a digital or analog tuner (for now). That certainly isn't the case here. An analogue tuner will work for 2 to 28 (and more, depending on your subscription). But a digital tuner just plain won't work unless it is a Rogers STB. | I have both here where I | live and some packaged that is between VIP and basic. I got it the better deal | because I threaten to switch. My Analog TV will not get the VIP service and | neither would my 24 LCD Samsung. They both got the basic channels albeit 1 | digital and the other analog. If your Samsung is getting 2 to 28 without the aid of your Rogers STB, it must be using its NTSC (analogue) tuner, not its ATSC (digital) tuner. An ATSC tuner can do nothing with a Rogers signal. I don't know what exactly you (or Rogers) mean by "VIP". They brand "products" and change them faster than I pay attention. But I think that I've got it. I get lots of analogue signals above 28 and none is encrypted. Analog encryption ("scrambling") seems to have disappeared. Premium movie channels etc. are not available in analogue, even if you subscribe. | I caved and go another SD box for $49.00. Good price. I just paid exactly that to get my HD box fixed -- bad power supply. I wouldn't be surprised if your box has the same power supply. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 29 22:48:18 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:48:18 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: <4D440E05.1080601-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D433CE0.4040300@yaknet.ca> <4D440E05.1080601@yaknet.ca> Message-ID: <4D449932.9090008@rogers.com> John Myshrall wrote: > If your former friend is recording VIP channels then they must be > routing it through a rogers box otherwise the VIP channels are encrypted. The VIP package includes all analog channels, as well as many digital. To my knowledge, there are no "VIP channels". -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 03:25:24 2011 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:25:24 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D44DA24.5090209@ve3syb.ca> Michael Lauzon wrote: > My former friend has Rogers Cable hooked up to his PC with a TV tuner > card, and is able to record shows, etc. At my house I get much more than basic cable using the Rogers cable tuner box at the main TV. The TV tuner card in my PC also recieves the cable signal without an external tuner box. I am able to watch and record any cable channels from 2 through 70 inclusive. With all the talk of going digital for TV broadcasts, I do wonder how the signals on cable TV may be affected at some point. I hope Rogers won't drop all analog signals off the cable but I don't think I would be too surprised if I heard of plans to do that at some point. It would be a big hassle though for people with VCR's and DVD recorders. They would need lots of additional converter boxes and/or digital/HD tuners until the recorders come with HD compatible tuners in them. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 04:24:43 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:24:43 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: <4D44DA24.5090209-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D44DA24.5090209@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <4D44E80B.4090703@rogers.com> Kevin Cozens wrote: > With all the talk of going digital for TV broadcasts, I do wonder how > the signals on cable TV may be affected at some point. I hope Rogers > won't drop all analog signals off the cable but I don't think I would > be too surprised if I heard of plans to do that at some point. It > would be a big hassle though for people with VCR's and DVD recorders. > They would need lots of additional converter boxes and/or digital/HD > tuners until the recorders come with HD compatible tuners in them. I expect they will go digital, as analog signals consume a lot of bandwidth. Also, they have a lot of returned SD converts. When I took mine back, last year, there were stacks of them at the local Rogers store. One nice thing about the SD boxes, which I haven't seen on the HD ones is the ability to schedule when it tunes to a channel. This works well with VCRs etc. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 05:58:21 2011 From: jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 00:58:21 -0500 Subject: Rogers signal encryption [was Re: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it.] In-Reply-To: References: <581629.99355.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D38B44C.1020608@alteeve.com> <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D433CE0.4040300@yaknet.ca> <4D440E05.1080601@yaknet.ca> Message-ID: <4D44FDFD.1080807@yaknet.ca> On 11-01-29 05:11 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: John Myshrall > > | The basic channels 2 - 28 and some other ones are not encrypted. > | > | It doesn't matter if you have VIP those channels will come in without a roger > | box on a tv with a digital or analog tuner (for now). > > That certainly isn't the case here. An analogue tuner will work for 2 > to 28 (and more, depending on your subscription). But a digital tuner > just plain won't work unless it is a Rogers STB. My RCA 2 tuner set in my basement doesn't receive more that the basic cable although I have a package that gives me more channels. > | I have both here where I > | live and some packaged that is between VIP and basic. I got it the better deal > | because I threaten to switch. My Analog TV will not get the VIP service and > | neither would my 24 LCD Samsung. They both got the basic channels albeit 1 > | digital and the other analog. > > If your Samsung is getting 2 to 28 without the aid of your Rogers STB, > it must be using its NTSC (analogue) tuner, not its ATSC (digital) > tuner. An ATSC tuner can do nothing with a Rogers signal. > Strange because my set makes no mention of an analog tuner only a digital tuner. I went back on line to check specs and low and behold it does have an analog tuner as well. When I scan the channels without the Roger's box my set says channels are scrambled and now removing scrambled channels. Rogers is using QAM but it's limited mostly to music. http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/rogers.htm I think there will be a scat storm of complaints to the CRTC when they drop analog support without some sort of compensation like what was done in the US. I gonna guess that they encrypting the signal to prevent the use of cable splitters and get all TV's connected to be paying. > I don't know what exactly you (or Rogers) mean by "VIP". They brand > "products" and change them faster than I pay attention. But I think that > I've got it. I get lots of analogue signals above 28 and none is > encrypted. Analog encryption ("scrambling") seems to have disappeared. > I too get lots of channel above 28 but that is the basic package. PBS, OLN, PAC & APTN to name a few. > Premium movie channels etc. are not available in analogue, even if you > subscribe. > > | I caved and go another SD box for $49.00. > > Good price. I just paid exactly that to get my HD box fixed -- bad > power supply. I wouldn't be surprised if your box has the same power > supply. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 06:19:24 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 01:19:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: interesting article about making software RAID safer Message-ID: This guy's blog seems fairly interesting. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 14:03:40 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:03:40 -0500 Subject: Rogers signal encryption [was Re: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it.] In-Reply-To: <4D44FDFD.1080807-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D433CE0.4040300@yaknet.ca> <4D440E05.1080601@yaknet.ca> <4D44FDFD.1080807@yaknet.ca> Message-ID: <20110130140340.GA13021@waltdnes.org> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:58:21AM -0500, John Myshrall wrote > I think there will be a scat storm of complaints to the CRTC when > they drop analog support without some sort of compensation like what > was done in the US. I gonna guess that they encrypting the signal > to prevent the use of cable splitters and get all TV's connected to > be paying. The guidelines for the transition were set out in CRTC decision 2003-61. See http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2003/pb2003-61.htm Note that BDU == "Broadcast Distribution Undertaking". That's a generic term covering cable/satellite/IPTV/whatever. Paragraphs 56 and 56 of the decision... ======================================================================== 55. In light of the concerns raised by the parties in this proceeding, the Commission concludes that, rather than setting a threshold level that would automatically trigger removal of analog services, it would be more reasonable to set a threshold at which it would be prepared to consider applications to discontinue the carriage of analog signals. The Commission has determined that a threshold of 85% penetration would be appropriate for such purposes. 56. Accordingly, the Commission concludes that: * A BDU may submit an application requesting the Commission's approval to cease the carriage of analog signals once 85% of the BDU's subscribers have the ability to receive digital services by means of digital television receivers or set-top boxes. The Commission will determine, at that time, the terms and conditions under which the analog services may be removed from the system. ======================================================================== In plain English... once 85% of subscribers to a cable system have *AT LEAST ONE DIGITAL BOX ON THEIR ACCOUNT* a cable system may apply to the CRTC for permission to drop analogue. This includes households with 4 or 5 TV sets and 1 digital box. Rogers' 3rd quarter report at http://www.rogers.com/cms/pdf/en/IR/QuarterlyReport/2010-Q3_Results-Release.pdf page 13 has the numbers. As of September 30, 2010 they had 2,309,000 TV subscribers, of which 1,719,000 had some form of digital service. That's just over 74.4%, versus approx 70.9% same time 2009. At this rate, they could make 85% by the end of September, 2013, and almost certainly by the end of 2013. When they start renting/selling digital boxes for really lowball prices, you'll know they're getting close to that magic 85% number. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 14:23:23 2011 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:23:23 -0500 Subject: Any experiences with Huawei E181 USB "data stick"? In-Reply-To: <20110129220731.GB10627-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110129220731.GB10627@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20110130142323.GA26429@watson-wilson.ca> I have that stick and subscribe to Wind. It works under Windows XP and Ubuntu. Wind's signal strength varies wildly so be sure to research your area. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 20:26:18 2011 From: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Clive DaSilva) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 15:26:18 -0500 Subject: Rpmfusion repositaries Message-ID: <4D45C96A.1070908@iprimus.ca> Hello I downloaded and installed Fedora 14 a few days ago on one of my computers. I tried to add the Rpmfusion repositories, so that would have access to MP3 codecs, nVidia drivers, but while rpmfusion.org is still online, there seems to be no files in the sections of the respositary, labelled Fedora 12, 13, and 14. I have googled the subject but apart from a few brief comments saying the same thing that I have just said, no one seems to know what happened. Have any of you folks heard any gossip, etc about the current status of Rpmfusion ? -- Clive DaSilva CMA Tel: 416-421-2480 Cell: 416-560-8820 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 21:24:15 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:24:15 -0500 Subject: satellite internet In-Reply-To: <4D4489CC.5030801-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D4489CC.5030801@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4D45D6FF.6020800@gmail.com> On 11-01-29 16:42 , marthter wrote: > > Anybody used any satellite internet services? I'm trying to help a > friend in cottage country who is stuck on dial up. It might be better to look for a local rural wireless broadband. Companies like Barrett (or Xplorenet, their brand name) use unlicensed 6GHz MW links to cross country, then have local repeaters down to line-of-sight antennae at each house. Works quite well. A bit slower than DSL (800k IIRC; the best I can get on DSL in eastern Toronto is 1.5M) but doesn't have the latency issues that satellite can have. Only major problem is that, being unlicensed and thus not registered on Industry Canada's Spectrum database, a large obstruction can inadvertently be built in the way of the microwave link and the ISP has to change their infrastructure. Licensed links get priority over construction. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 21:43:30 2011 From: solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (solarflow99) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:43:30 -0500 Subject: Rpmfusion repositaries In-Reply-To: <4D45C96A.1070908-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4D45C96A.1070908@iprimus.ca> Message-ID: ya, rpmfusion has been suffering from a shortage in intrastructure for a while. the downloads are offline at present, it will be back soon hopefully. On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Clive DaSilva wrote: > Hello > > I downloaded and installed Fedora 14 a few days ago on one of my computers. > I tried to add the Rpmfusion repositories, so that would have access to MP3 > codecs, nVidia drivers, but while rpmfusion.org is still online, there seems > to be no files in the sections of the respositary, labelled Fedora 12, 13, > and 14. I have googled the subject but apart from a few brief comments > saying the same thing that I have just said, no one seems to know what > happened. > > Have any of you folks heard any gossip, etc about the current status of > Rpmfusion ? > > -- > Clive DaSilva CMA > Tel: ?416-421-2480 > Cell: 416-560-8820 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 23:08:02 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:08:02 -0500 Subject: Any experiences with Huawei E181 USB "data stick"? In-Reply-To: <20110130142323.GA26429-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20110129220731.GB10627@waltdnes.org> <20110130142323.GA26429@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20110130230802.GA14041@waltdnes.org> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 09:23:23AM -0500, Neil Watson wrote > I have that stick and subscribe to Wind. It works under Windows XP and > Ubuntu. Wind's signal strength varies wildly so be sure to research > your area. Is any magic incantation required? What I read on Google indicates that the stick first shows up as a CD with Windows dialer software. You have to somehow diasble that portion from being mounted to see the actual "modem" itself. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 11:49:00 2011 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 06:49:00 -0500 Subject: Any experiences with Huawei E181 USB "data stick"? In-Reply-To: <20110130230802.GA14041-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110129220731.GB10627@waltdnes.org> <20110130142323.GA26429@watson-wilson.ca> <20110130230802.GA14041@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20110131114900.GA9456@watson-wilson.ca> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 06:08:02PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > Is any magic incantation required? What I read on Google indicates >that the stick first shows up as a CD with Windows dialer software. You >have to somehow diasble that portion from being mounted to see the >actual "modem" itself. No magic. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 16:11:30 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:11:30 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: <4D44E80B.4090703-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D44DA24.5090209@ve3syb.ca> <4D44E80B.4090703@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110131161130.GS347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:24:43PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > I expect they will go digital, as analog signals consume a lot of > bandwidth. Also, they have a lot of returned SD converts. When I took > mine back, last year, there were stacks of them at the local Rogers > store. One nice thing about the SD boxes, which I haven't seen on the > HD ones is the ability to schedule when it tunes to a channel. This > works well with VCRs etc. Hmm, I thought the HD ones had that the same as the SD one. I haven't tried though so maybe I am wrong. I have mythtv tell the box when to tune where. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 16:13:02 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:13:02 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: <4D44DA24.5090209-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D44DA24.5090209@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20110131161302.GT347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:25:24PM -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote: > At my house I get much more than basic cable using the Rogers cable tuner > box at the main TV. The TV tuner card in my PC also recieves the cable > signal without an external tuner box. I am able to watch and record any > cable channels from 2 through 70 inclusive. > > With all the talk of going digital for TV broadcasts, I do wonder how the > signals on cable TV may be affected at some point. I hope Rogers won't > drop all analog signals off the cable but I don't think I would be too > surprised if I heard of plans to do that at some point. It would be a big > hassle though for people with VCR's and DVD recorders. They would need > lots of additional converter boxes and/or digital/HD tuners until the > recorders come with HD compatible tuners in them. HD compatible tuners are useless in rogers teritory since they encrypt everything. The US is much better off since at least local stations are supposed to be unencrypted so a digital tuner could actually receive them. On the other hand I don't believe they are allowed to let it record above SD resolution from that signal. Not sure. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 16:19:23 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:19:23 -0500 Subject: Rogers signal encryption [was Re: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it.] In-Reply-To: References: <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D433CE0.4040300@yaknet.ca> <4D440E05.1080601@yaknet.ca> Message-ID: <20110131161923.GU347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 05:11:39PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > That certainly isn't the case here. An analogue tuner will work for 2 > to 28 (and more, depending on your subscription). But a digital tuner > just plain won't work unless it is a Rogers STB. > > If your Samsung is getting 2 to 28 without the aid of your Rogers STB, > it must be using its NTSC (analogue) tuner, not its ATSC (digital) > tuner. An ATSC tuner can do nothing with a Rogers signal. > > I don't know what exactly you (or Rogers) mean by "VIP". They brand > "products" and change them faster than I pay attention. But I think that > I've got it. I get lots of analogue signals above 28 and none is > encrypted. Analog encryption ("scrambling") seems to have disappeared. Rogers Digital VIP is a package containing all the analog channels available, basic digital, one SD box, up to 4 cable outlets, canadian timeshifting stations, all the music channels and whatever else is part of the basic digital cable service. I suspect it is one of their most popular packages. > Premium movie channels etc. are not available in analogue, even if you > subscribe. > > | I caved and go another SD box for $49.00. > > Good price. I just paid exactly that to get my HD box fixed -- bad > power supply. I wouldn't be surprised if your box has the same power > supply. Well the HD boxes seem to go for $200 to $250 or so. I think the SD box can be had for $100 often, so $49 is very nice. Speaking of rogers, I think I can finally ditch the rogers cable modem since teksavvy appears to now have thornhill cable modem support. That should save me $20 or so per month and give me much larger bandwidth cap. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 16:22:54 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:22:54 -0500 Subject: interesting article about making software RAID safer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110131162254.GV347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 01:19:24AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > > This guy's blog seems fairly interesting. Debian's mdadm package has been doing exactly that for years. Every month it runs a full scan on the raid. It is absolutely a good idea. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 16:23:49 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:23:49 -0500 Subject: Rogers signal encryption [was Re: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it.] In-Reply-To: <20110131161923.GU347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D433CE0.4040300@yaknet.ca> <4D440E05.1080601@yaknet.ca> <20110131161923.GU347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Lennart, Not sure how long the Large Cap for teksavvy will be. A new ruling for bell now makes it as of March (if it sticks) that the cap for teksavvy will be 25G down from 200G. Similar thing may happen with rogers. On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 05:11:39PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > That certainly isn't the case here. An analogue tuner will work for 2 > > to 28 (and more, depending on your subscription). But a digital tuner > > just plain won't work unless it is a Rogers STB. > > > > If your Samsung is getting 2 to 28 without the aid of your Rogers STB, > > it must be using its NTSC (analogue) tuner, not its ATSC (digital) > > tuner. An ATSC tuner can do nothing with a Rogers signal. > > > > I don't know what exactly you (or Rogers) mean by "VIP". They brand > > "products" and change them faster than I pay attention. But I think that > > I've got it. I get lots of analogue signals above 28 and none is > > encrypted. Analog encryption ("scrambling") seems to have disappeared. > > Rogers Digital VIP is a package containing all the analog channels > available, basic digital, one SD box, up to 4 cable outlets, canadian > timeshifting stations, all the music channels and whatever else is part > of the basic digital cable service. I suspect it is one of their most > popular packages. > > > Premium movie channels etc. are not available in analogue, even if you > > subscribe. > > > > | I caved and go another SD box for $49.00. > > > > Good price. I just paid exactly that to get my HD box fixed -- bad > > power supply. I wouldn't be surprised if your box has the same power > > supply. > > Well the HD boxes seem to go for $200 to $250 or so. I think the SD > box can be had for $100 often, so $49 is very nice. > > Speaking of rogers, I think I can finally ditch the rogers cable modem > since teksavvy appears to now have thornhill cable modem support. That > should save me $20 or so per month and give me much larger bandwidth cap. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 16:27:37 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:27:37 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: <20110131161130.GS347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D44DA24.5090209@ve3syb.ca> <4D44E80B.4090703@rogers.com> <20110131161130.GS347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D46E2F9.4070805@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Hmm, I thought the HD ones had that the same as the SD one. I haven't > tried though so maybe I am wrong. > The 8300HD allows you to play the video to VCR, but the scheduler is only for recording to the internal disk. The only schedule function the 4250 HD STB has is for a reminder. With the SD box I had, I could tell it to tune to a specific program and then I'd set my VCR to record from the composite video input at the same time. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 16:28:55 2011 From: solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (solarflow99) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:28:55 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: <20110131161302.GT347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110127190623.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D44DA24.5090209@ve3syb.ca> <20110131161302.GT347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:25:24PM -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote: >> At my house I get much more than basic cable using the Rogers cable tuner >> box at the main TV. The TV tuner card in my PC also recieves the cable >> signal without an external tuner box. I am able to watch and record any >> cable channels from 2 through 70 inclusive. >> >> With all the talk of going digital for TV broadcasts, I do wonder how the >> signals on cable TV may be affected at some point. I hope Rogers won't >> drop all analog signals off the cable but I don't think I would be too >> surprised if I heard of plans to do that at some point. It would be a big >> hassle though for people with VCR's and DVD recorders. They would need >> lots of additional converter boxes and/or digital/HD tuners until the >> recorders come with HD compatible tuners in them. > > HD compatible tuners are useless in rogers teritory since they encrypt > everything. ?The US is much better off since at least local stations are > supposed to be unencrypted so a digital tuner could actually receive them. > On the other hand I don't believe they are allowed to let it record > above SD resolution from that signal. ?Not sure. I think the lower channels are supposed to be unencrypted still, I just wonder how unbreakable their encryption will be this time. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 16:34:14 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:34:14 -0500 Subject: Rogers signal encryption [was Re: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it.] In-Reply-To: <20110131161923.GU347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D433CE0.4040300@yaknet.ca> <4D440E05.1080601@yaknet.ca> <20110131161923.GU347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D46E486.6080808@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Rogers Digital VIP is a package containing all the analog channels > available, basic digital, one SD box, up to 4 cable outlets, canadian > timeshifting stations, all the music channels and whatever else is part > of the basic digital cable service. VIP no longer includes the SD box. It's now a rental item. That's one reason why I took mine back and bought a couple of 4250s, even though one of them was connected to an analog set for a year. I'm now entirely HD, with TVs in the living room & bedroom and a 23" 1080p computer monitor in my computer room, which is connected to one of the 4250s. I bought the 4250s during the Boxing Week sale at Future Shop last year. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 16:34:38 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:34:38 -0500 Subject: interesting article about making software RAID safer In-Reply-To: <20110131162254.GV347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110131162254.GV347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D46E49E.6080709@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 01:19:24AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > >> >> >> This guy's blog seems fairly interesting. >> > Debian's mdadm package has been doing exactly that for years. Every month > it runs a full scan on the raid. It is absolutely a good idea. > > Any idea if OpenSUSE does that? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 16:38:54 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:38:54 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: <4D46E2F9.4070805-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D44DA24.5090209@ve3syb.ca> <4D44E80B.4090703@rogers.com> <20110131161130.GS347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D46E2F9.4070805@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110131163854.GW347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:27:37AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > The 8300HD allows you to play the video to VCR, but the scheduler is > only for recording to the internal disk. The only schedule function the > 4250 HD STB has is for a reminder. With the SD box I had, I could tell > it to tune to a specific program and then I'd set my VCR to record from > the composite video input at the same time. That's the PVR. I was thinking of the 4250HD which is the HD set top box. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 16:40:38 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:40:38 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: References: <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D44DA24.5090209@ve3syb.ca> <20110131161302.GT347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110131164038.GX347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:28:55AM -0500, solarflow99 wrote: > I think the lower channels are supposed to be unencrypted still, I > just wonder how unbreakable their encryption will be this time. I have certainly never heard even as much as a rumour that is has been done. I doubt it. The digital channels on rogers seem to be all encrypted. The analog channels are not, but that's only 2 through 70 (and apparently 126-130, although no analog tuner actually exists that can receive them). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 16:56:19 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:56:19 -0500 Subject: Rogers signal encryption [was Re: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it.] In-Reply-To: References: <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D433CE0.4040300@yaknet.ca> <4D440E05.1080601@yaknet.ca> <20110131161923.GU347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110131165619.GY347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:23:49AM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Not sure how long the Large Cap for teksavvy will be. A new ruling for bell > now makes it as of March (if it sticks) that the cap for teksavvy will be > 25G down from 200G. On DSL yes. > Similar thing may happen with rogers. No idea. Teksavvy must have some deal with rogers. Who knows what that is (besides rogers and teksavvy). Teksavvy has to run a link to each POI they want to serve from what I understand, so unlike with Bell, rogers is NOT doing any backhaul for teksavvy as far as I can tell. It always seemed that it was the backhaul capacity Bell was complaining about. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 16:58:22 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:58:22 -0500 Subject: interesting article about making software RAID safer In-Reply-To: <4D46E49E.6080709-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110131162254.GV347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D46E49E.6080709@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110131165822.GZ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:34:38AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Any idea if OpenSUSE does that? No, I could tolerate more than about 1 hour of playing with SuSE last time I looked at it. The install was too painful compared to what I was used to from Debian, and it didn't get better after the install. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 17:06:52 2011 From: solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (solarflow99) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:06:52 -0500 Subject: interesting article about making software RAID safer In-Reply-To: <20110131165822.GZ347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110131162254.GV347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D46E49E.6080709@rogers.com> <20110131165822.GZ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:34:38AM -0500, James Knott wrote: >> Any idea if OpenSUSE does that? > > No, I could tolerate more than about 1 hour of playing with SuSE last > time I looked at it. ?The install was too painful compared to what I > was used to from Debian, and it didn't get better after the install. Fedora seems to have a raid check in cron -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 17:12:12 2011 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:12:12 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: <20110131164038.GX347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110128033120.GA6026@waltdnes.org> <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D44DA24.5090209@ve3syb.ca> <20110131161302.GT347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110131164038.GX347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Intel has found a design flaw within Sandy Bridge: http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2011/01/31/intel-identifies-chipset-design-error-implementing-solution http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/31/intel-finds-sandy-bridge-chipset-design-flaw-shipments-stopped/ -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 17:16:40 2011 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:16:40 -0500 Subject: interesting article about making software RAID safer In-Reply-To: <20110131162254.GV347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110131162254.GV347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D46EE78.7080706@ss.org> On 01/31/2011 11:22 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 01:19:24AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> >> >> This guy's blog seems fairly interesting. > Debian's mdadm package has been doing exactly that for years. Every month > it runs a full scan on the raid. It is absolutely a good idea CentOS / RHEL does a check once a week. This gets rather annoying if your running multi-terabyte arrays on less recent hardware, because the check can last the better part of the day. If you don't know it's doing it you can wake up each Monday morning and think your RAID has broken AGAIN. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marthter-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 17:24:02 2011 From: marthter-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (marthter) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:24:02 -0500 Subject: satellite internet In-Reply-To: <4D45D6FF.6020800-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D4489CC.5030801@yahoo.ca> <4D45D6FF.6020800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D46F032.2040002@yahoo.ca> On 11-01-30 04:24 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 11-01-29 16:42 , marthter wrote: >> Anybody used any satellite internet services? I'm trying to help a >> friend in cottage country who is stuck on dial up. > It might be better to look for a local rural wireless broadband. > Companies like Barrett (or Xplorenet, their brand name) use unlicensed > 6GHz MW links to cross country, then have local repeaters down to > line-of-sight antennae at each house. Works quite well. > > A bit slower than DSL (800k IIRC; the best I can get on DSL in eastern > Toronto is 1.5M) but doesn't have the latency issues that satellite can > have. Only major problem is that, being unlicensed and thus not > registered on Industry Canada's Spectrum database, a large obstruction > can inadvertently be built in the way of the microwave link and the ISP > has to change their infrastructure. Licensed links get priority over > construction. > > Stewart Hmm, yeah, I had checked a similar one, ViaNet's fixed wireless, but their nearest location is about 15 km away, and it seems they are only willing to market it if it is within about 5 km away... probably they cannot stand by it for reliability and speed beyond that. Thanks for the pointer to Xplornet, but unfortunately when I put in this location, roughly 45.9 N, 80.32 W, into their "available service" checker, it only offers satellite "from 59.99 / month" so that is not much different than what I found from other satellite outfits. Thanks for the reply. Anyone else? Martin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 18:02:12 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:02:12 -0500 Subject: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it. In-Reply-To: References: <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D44DA24.5090209@ve3syb.ca> <20110131161302.GT347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110131164038.GX347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110131180212.GA347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:12:12PM -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Intel has found a design flaw within Sandy Bridge: > > http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2011/01/31/intel-identifies-chipset-design-error-implementing-solution > > http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/31/intel-finds-sandy-bridge-chipset-design-flaw-shipments-stopped/ Ouch. That's gonna cost them. You can tell when the press release happened in their stock price (which did an instant 1% drop). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 19:27:27 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:27:27 -0500 Subject: Rogers signal encryption [was Re: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it.] In-Reply-To: <20110131161923.GU347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D433CE0.4040300@yaknet.ca> <4D440E05.1080601@yaknet.ca> <20110131161923.GU347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110131192727.GA5589@waltdnes.org> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:19:23AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote > Speaking of rogers, I think I can finally ditch the rogers cable modem > since teksavvy appears to now have thornhill cable modem support. > That should save me $20 or so per month and give me much larger > bandwidth cap. Maybe a slightly lower price, but forget extra gigabytes. See... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25187382-New-Rogers-TPIA-rates-UBB-by-July-1 and especially the bottom of page 3 of... http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1606728~e6bea344cbf7440ebf6665a3fcdfbc94/Rogers%20TN%2018%20Proposed%20TPIA%20Tariff%20Pages.pdf Quote... ======================================================================= where Rogers applies volume caps and additional volume usage charges to its retail Internet end-users, the same volume caps and additional volume usage charges will apply to end-users of the TPIA Customer. The volume caps are: Utra-Lite 2 GB Lite 15 GB Express 60 GB Extreme 80 GB Extreme Plus 125 GB Ultimate 175 GB ======================================================================= -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 22:49:43 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:49:43 -0500 Subject: Rogers signal encryption [was Re: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it.] In-Reply-To: <20110131192727.GA5589-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D433CE0.4040300@yaknet.ca> <4D440E05.1080601@yaknet.ca> <20110131161923.GU347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110131192727.GA5589@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20110131224943.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 02:27:27PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > Maybe a slightly lower price, but forget extra gigabytes. See... > http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25187382-New-Rogers-TPIA-rates-UBB-by-July-1 > and especially the bottom of page 3 of... > http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1606728~e6bea344cbf7440ebf6665a3fcdfbc94/Rogers%20TN%2018%20Proposed%20TPIA%20Tariff%20Pages.pdf > > Quote... > ======================================================================= > where Rogers applies volume caps and additional volume usage charges to > its retail Internet end-users, the same volume caps and additional > volume usage charges will apply to end-users of the TPIA Customer. The > volume caps are: > Utra-Lite 2 GB > Lite 15 GB > Express 60 GB > Extreme 80 GB > Extreme Plus 125 GB > Ultimate 175 GB > ======================================================================= Yeah the CRTC has very nicely said "Fuck You" to the canadian public, on behalf of Bell and now Rogers (who obviously see no reason to let Bell have all the fun and profits). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 22:58:21 2011 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:58:21 -0500 Subject: Rogers signal encryption [was Re: Intel SandyBridge... I don't get it.] In-Reply-To: <20110131224943.GB347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110128202103.GA8899@waltdnes.org> <20110128204513.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D433CE0.4040300@yaknet.ca> <4D440E05.1080601@yaknet.ca> <20110131161923.GU347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110131192727.GA5589@waltdnes.org> <20110131224943.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 17:49, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 02:27:27PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: >> ? Maybe a slightly lower price, but forget extra gigabytes. ?See... >> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25187382-New-Rogers-TPIA-rates-UBB-by-July-1 >> and especially the bottom of page 3 of... >> http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1606728~e6bea344cbf7440ebf6665a3fcdfbc94/Rogers%20TN%2018%20Proposed%20TPIA%20Tariff%20Pages.pdf >> >> Quote... >> ======================================================================= >> where Rogers applies volume caps and additional volume usage charges to >> its retail Internet end-users, the same volume caps and additional >> volume usage charges will apply to end-users of the TPIA Customer. The >> volume caps are: >> ? ? ? Utra-Lite ? ? ? 2 GB >> ? ? ? Lite ? ? ? ? ? 15 GB >> ? ? ? Express ? ? ? ?60 GB >> ? ? ? Extreme ? ? ? ?80 GB >> ? ? ? Extreme Plus ?125 GB >> ? ? ? Ultimate ? ? ?175 GB >> ======================================================================= > > Yeah the CRTC has very nicely said "Fuck You" to the canadian public, > on behalf of Bell and now Rogers (who obviously see no reason to let > Bell have all the fun and profits). > > -- > Len Sorensen Like I've been saying for years, Finckenstein needs to go, and the CRTC needs to get someone who is their for the Canadian public and not big business. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists