From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 2 00:09:44 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 20:09:44 -0400 Subject: Permissions/Apache Question Message-ID: <4D966948.5000509@rogers.com> I am creating a new web site, and I ftp'ed the index.php file to the host. I got a 500 internal server error. It turns out that the problem was that the permissions on the file had the execution bits set for owner, group and all. When I turned the bits off, all was well. Can someone explain why the settings would matter? Is this a general Linux thing, or strictly an Apache thing? On my local LAMP I had no issues when testing. Thanks Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 2 00:22:24 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 20:22:24 -0400 Subject: Permissions/Apache Question In-Reply-To: <4D966948.5000509-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D966948.5000509@rogers.com> Message-ID: apache usually runs as "nobody" or "web" or "www" account, don't run apache as "root" and it doesn't sound like you do. the file has to be readable (and perhaps exe) by the owner of the apache process. do a ps ax and see who owns your apache. also you can get into a group permission set up to that may work for you. also i don't thing you "turned the bits off"? chmod [o|g|u]+rx or use the old octal format, but as i look at it, you would have to turn "on" bits, or change owner of the file to be owned by same owner as apache, or get into group permissions. tl On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Stephen wrote: > I am creating a new web site, and I ftp'ed the index.php file to the host. > > I got a 500 internal server error. > > It turns out that the problem was that the permissions on the file had the > execution bits set for owner, group and all. > > When I turned the bits off, all was well. > > Can someone explain why the settings would matter? Is this a general Linux > thing, or strictly an Apache thing? > > On my local LAMP I had no issues when testing. > > Thanks > Stephen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 2 00:42:07 2011 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 20:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Permissions/Apache Question In-Reply-To: <4D966948.5000509-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D966948.5000509@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Apr 2011, Stephen wrote: > I am creating a new web site, and I ftp'ed the index.php file to the host. > > I got a 500 internal server error. > > It turns out that the problem was that the permissions on the file had the > execution bits set for owner, group and all. > > When I turned the bits off, all was well. > > Can someone explain why the settings would matter? Is this a general Linux > thing, or strictly an Apache thing? Exexutable files must be writable only by their owner and usually should have all the execute bits set. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 2 00:49:28 2011 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Permissions/Apache Question In-Reply-To: References: <4D966948.5000509@rogers.com> Message-ID: <931932.70257.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- > From: ted leslie > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Cc: Stephen > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 8:22:24 PM > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Permissions/Apache Question > > apache usually runs as "nobody" or "web" or "www" account, don't run > apache as "root" and it doesn't sound like you do. > the file has to be readable (and perhaps exe) by the owner of the > apache process. > do a ps ax and see who owns your apache. also you can get into a group > permission set up to that may work for you. > also i don't thing you "turned the bits off"? > chmod [o|g|u]+rx > or use the old octal format, but as i look at it, you would have to > turn "on" bits, or change owner of the file to be owned by same owner > as apache, > or get into group permissions. While all this is correct, I think what happened is that Apache throws an error when a php file has too many permissions, don't remember which ones (l haven't done php in a long time). OP can check the apache error log for this. Cheers, --------------------- Fernando Duran http://www.fduran.com > > tl > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Stephen wrote: > > I am creating a new web site, and I ftp'ed the index.php file to the host. > > > > I got a 500 internal server error. > > > > It turns out that the problem was that the permissions on the file had the > > execution bits set for owner, group and all. > > > > When I turned the bits off, all was well. > > > > Can someone explain why the settings would matter? Is this a general Linux > > thing, or strictly an Apache thing? > > > > On my local LAMP I had no issues when testing. > > > > Thanks > > Stephen > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 2 00:58:13 2011 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Permissions/Apache Question In-Reply-To: <931932.70257.qm-3lJy/A3v08D5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <4D966948.5000509@rogers.com> <931932.70257.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422986.54698.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > > > While all this is correct, I think what happened is that Apache throws an >error > > when a php file has too many permissions, don't remember which ones (l haven't > > done php in a long time). (Replying to myself) I think what I was remembering was related to some security extension module or setting in php rather than Apache itself. A bit fuzzy. Getting old. Fernando > > OP can check the apache error log for this. > > Cheers, > --------------------- > Fernando Duran > http://www.fduran.com > > > > > > tl > > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Stephen wrote: > > > I am creating a new web site, and I ftp'ed the index.php file to the >host. > > > > > > I got a 500 internal server error. > > > > > > It turns out that the problem was that the permissions on the file had >the > > > execution bits set for owner, group and all. > > > > > > When I turned the bits off, all was well. > > > > > > Can someone explain why the settings would matter? Is this a general >Linux > > > thing, or strictly an Apache thing? > > > > > > On my local LAMP I had no issues when testing. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Stephen > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 2 03:58:26 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 23:58:26 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <20110328141009.GE347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> <4D8FE23B.1000503@gmail.com> <20110328141009.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D969EE2.1080402@gmail.com> On 11-03-28 10:10 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 09:19:55PM -0400, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> Emacs has an interface for gunpg > > Shoot first and ask for the password later? :) > lol did i type that =P -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 3 03:21:38 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 23:21:38 -0400 Subject: cheap domains host that is reliable Message-ID: <4D97E7C2.1050406@gmail.com> Guys, I am with IPower and need to find a cheaper alternative to domain registration. I don't want a cheap fly-by-night operation. Can anyone recommend me a place I can transfer my domains to and save money. I got a few domains registered and saving a few bucks would add up and make sense. Also the domain host needs to have a panel for me to log into and administer the domain settings. Thanks -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 3 13:52:02 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2011 09:52:02 -0400 Subject: cheap domains host that is reliable In-Reply-To: <4D97E7C2.1050406-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D97E7C2.1050406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D987B82.1040602@rogers.com> Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Guys, > > I am with IPower and need to find a cheaper alternative to domain > registration. I don't want a cheap fly-by-night operation. > > Can anyone recommend me a place I can transfer my domains to and save > money. I got a few domains registered and saving a few bucks would add > up and make sense. > > Also the domain host needs to have a panel for me to log into and > administer the domain settings. > > Thanks > I got mine through Google apps. It's $10 U.S. per year. My only complaint is that it doesn't support IPv6 addresses. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 4 03:51:23 2011 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 20:51:23 -0700 Subject: cheap domains host that is reliable In-Reply-To: <4D987B82.1040602-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D97E7C2.1050406@gmail.com> <4D987B82.1040602@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110404035122.GB2002@towel> On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 09:52:02AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Rajinder Yadav wrote: > >Guys, > > > >I am with IPower and need to find a cheaper alternative to domain > >registration. I don't want a cheap fly-by-night operation. > > > >Can anyone recommend me a place I can transfer my domains to and > >save money. I got a few domains registered and saving a few bucks > >would add up and make sense. > > > >Also the domain host needs to have a panel for me to log into and > >administer the domain settings. > > > >Thanks > > > I got mine through Google apps. It's $10 U.S. per year. My only > complaint is that it doesn't support IPv6 addresses. > I have no experience with any of these, but I've heard good things about them: gandi.net name.com namecheap.com Definitely not: godaddy.com 1and1.com Here is a recent thread I came across w/ recommendations: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2392927 The only domain I have currently, is with Dreamhost.com because I had some hosting with them at the time I initially registered it. -- Brandon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 4 04:02:09 2011 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 00:02:09 -0400 Subject: cheap domains host that is reliable In-Reply-To: <20110404035122.GB2002@towel> References: <4D97E7C2.1050406@gmail.com> <4D987B82.1040602@rogers.com> <20110404035122.GB2002@towel> Message-ID: <4D9942C1.9090603@dinamis.com> On 04/03/2011 11:51 PM, Brandon wrote: For domain registration? > Definitely not: > godaddy.com Why not? I have had nothing but good experience with them. I liked dealing with GD so much that I became a reseller . I don't use their hosting services at all since we have our own servers in Toronto and Chicago but I use them for domain registrations and quite like their service and control panel. I own many domains so it's important to me to be able to group them in arbitrary ways, to figure which ones are coming due when, and to be able to make changes quickly. I can do all that with their control panel. Whether you use my reseller account or not, I have no problem recommending them. I've never had to wait for more than a few minutes to get a competent tech support person on the phone the few times that I've needed it. > 1and1.com I have had nothing but bad experiences with them so I'll agree on this one. Their control panel is crap, their support is awful, and their billing department is staffed by a bunch of automatons. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 4 04:05:57 2011 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 21:05:57 -0700 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <20110326171529.GA6582-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110318203414.GA4683@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110325234400.GA2330@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110326005700.GA2690@node1.opengeometry.net> <4D8DFAC7.1030805@gmail.com> <20110326171529.GA6582@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110404040557.GC2002@towel> On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 01:15:30PM -0400, William Park wrote: > On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 10:40:07AM -0400, Mike Kallies wrote: > > On 3/25/2011 8:57 PM, William Park wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 08:26:21PM -0400, Scott Elcomb wrote: > > >> vim -x (or, from within vim use ":X") > > > > > Yes! That's what I was looking for. I didn't know Vim had that. > > > Thanks Scott. > > > > Careful: > > > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/575817/vim-encryption-how-to-break-it > > > > "The algorithm used is breakable. A 4 character key in about one hour, a > > 6 character key in one day (on a Pentium 133 PC). This requires that you > > know some text that must appear in the file. An expert can break it for > > any key. When the text has been decrypted, this also means that the key > > can be revealed, and other files encrypted with the same key can be > > decrypted." > > > > Does anyone know if this has improved? > > Hmm... I read that after I replied. I would've thought they use > symmetric encryption via gpg or something. I guess it would create > dependency which might not work on Windows. > -- > William I use this[1] for my password file. It does things like disable backup directories and swap files for the buffer. Just save the files as '.asc' (ascii-armored) and it will automatically pick them up. [1] http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=661 -- Brandon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 4 11:22:30 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 07:22:30 -0400 Subject: cheap domains host that is reliable In-Reply-To: <20110404035122.GB2002@towel> References: <4D97E7C2.1050406@gmail.com> <4D987B82.1040602@rogers.com> <20110404035122.GB2002@towel> Message-ID: <4D99A9F6.9010402@gmail.com> On 11-04-03 23:51 , Brandon wrote: > > Definitely not: > godaddy.com What's more, Bob Parsons appears to be an arsehole. > 1and1.com Had no problems with them, and been with them since 2003. Never needed to use technical support or billing. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 4 11:58:41 2011 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 07:58:41 -0400 Subject: cheap domains host that is reliable In-Reply-To: <4D99A9F6.9010402-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D97E7C2.1050406@gmail.com> <4D987B82.1040602@rogers.com> <20110404035122.GB2002@towel> <4D99A9F6.9010402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D99B271.3090101@dinamis.com> On 04/04/2011 07:22 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 11-04-03 23:51 , Brandon wrote: >> >> Definitely not: >> godaddy.com > > What's more, Bob Parsons appears to be an arsehole. I think he deliberately seeks controversy. His latest escapade probably impressed as many people as it annoyed. >> 1and1.com > > Had no problems with them, and been with them since 2003. Never needed > to use technical support or billing. Maybe you've never hit the $300/month threshold with 1and1 for PayPal payments. Long story short, nowhere in their agreement does it say there is such a threshold. Apparently, there was and when it was hit, the payment choked. The first I learned of it was when I got a phone call from some scumbag collection agency in Montreal that threatened everything but drawing and quartering. 1and1 "support" was completely useless in resolving the issue. That was entirely for domain registrations (I own lots of domains) because I had already learned through the experiences of a friend I had been helping out to never use them for hosting. A friend's dedicated server at 1an1 had been hacked. It couldn't have happened at a worse time for support, just before Christmas. They had some option to re-image the machine, which would reset it back to a clean state, but it required "support" to initiate some process that would take a few minutes. By the time "support" got around to doing it 10 days later because they had one person in a data centre in Germany with tens of thousands of servers, I had already done a fresh remote install through trial and error. Useless doesn't even begin to describe their support. Think Sympatico front-line techs and you'd get the idea. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 4 16:45:56 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 12:45:56 -0400 Subject: (question) Encrypting a single file In-Reply-To: <4D969EE2.1080402-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110318180610.GA3390@node1.opengeometry.net> <4D8FE23B.1000503@gmail.com> <20110328141009.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D969EE2.1080402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110404164556.GF347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 11:58:26PM -0400, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > On 11-03-28 10:10 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 09:19:55PM -0400, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >>> Emacs has an interface for gunpg >> >> Shoot first and ask for the password later? :) >> > > lol did i type that =P I couldn't ignore the cute typo. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 4 16:57:31 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 12:57:31 -0400 Subject: SATA problem In-Reply-To: <20110322172933.GV347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110322172933.GV347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 09:30:36PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: >> Is there some particular cheap-ish controller I ought to go looking for? > > For PCI express, JMC controllers are nice since they are AHCI compliant. > > For PCI it's a bit trickier. > > http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=19_252_254&item_id=028984 > looks even better. ?Sil3114 controller. ?Of course still only original > SATA speeds. I wound up picking this up, and, after a certain amount of fighting with cabling, got it all working. Hurrah, 3.7TB free :-). BTW, I turned the two drives into one grand big BTRFS filesystem, presumably in some equivalent to RAID 0. I still have two ports left over, so I could presumably add more disks and turn it into RAID 1 or such :-). I'm going to have an internal debate over filesystems, for a while. At any rate, thanks for the guidance - very helpful! -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 4 16:58:38 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 12:58:38 -0400 Subject: cheap domains host that is reliable In-Reply-To: <4D99B271.3090101-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4D97E7C2.1050406@gmail.com> <4D987B82.1040602@rogers.com> <20110404035122.GB2002@towel> <4D99A9F6.9010402@gmail.com> <4D99B271.3090101@dinamis.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 7:58 AM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Maybe you've never hit the $300/month threshold with 1and1 for PayPal > payments. > > Nope. I've only hosted a handful of domains, and thanks to having a grandfathered account, have never paid more than $10/month for at least 100x the space and bandwidth I'll ever need. Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ - 73 de VA3PID -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 4 17:04:45 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:04:45 -0400 Subject: SATA problem In-Reply-To: References: <20110322172933.GV347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110404170445.GG347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 12:57:31PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > I wound up picking this up, and, after a certain amount of fighting > with cabling, got it all working. Hurrah, 3.7TB free :-). I am currently using one of these: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=14_207&item_id=032449 along with 4 1.5TB WD black drives. # parted /dev/sdb print Model: ATA H/W RAID5 (scsi) Disk /dev/sdb: 4501GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: gpt Number Start End Size File system Name Flags 1 17.4kB 4401GB 4401GB RAID5 2 4401GB 4501GB 100GB ext3 SPARE Quite useful. > BTW, I turned the two drives into one grand big BTRFS filesystem, > presumably in some equivalent to RAID 0. I still have two ports left > over, so I could presumably add more disks and turn it into RAID 1 or > such :-). No machine I ever build will ever use less than raid1. Disk failures happen, disks are cheap, and I value my sanity and time too much to have to do a reinstall and loose data. There is no excuse. > I'm going to have an internal debate over filesystems, for a while. > > At any rate, thanks for the guidance - very helpful! -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 4 19:04:49 2011 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 12:04:49 -0700 Subject: Process memory graphing Message-ID: Hey all, Does anyone have or use tools for graphing/trending the memory usage of specific processes? All processes on a system might be a bit much but graphing everything over X% usage or following specific process-names would be nice... Ideas? Thanks, Tyler -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA "Computers don't make mistakes. They can, however, execute those provided to them very quickly" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 5 03:04:43 2011 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 23:04:43 -0400 Subject: Call for a Volunteer Message-ID: <4D9A86CB.7040106@gmail.com> Hello GTALUG, A Toronto municipal politician recently reached out to GTALUG for assistance with data analysis and innovation in data gathering. This is to better understand and represent their constituency. Much of their needs I expect to be satisfied with traditional data input and analysis. Over time however, this may grow into more interesting work. If you are interested in getting in at the ground floor of such a volunteer effort, please send me a few paragraphs describing your interest or experience in the area, or send a copy of your resume. Don't delay, as we're looking to get started asap. This is purely a volunteer effort. On-site work would be subway accessible in the North York area. Thanks, -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 5 06:31:26 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 02:31:26 -0400 Subject: Kernel panic on new Debian 6.01 install Message-ID: Hi there, I've installed Debian 6.01a on an old P3, mainly just to use a large IDE drive I have laying around. Is there some kind of maximum drive size for these old Pentium 3 motherboards? It's a 500GB drive, but I thought Linux could handle any size. The install seemed to finish fine, but every time I boot up I get an error like so 'VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)' Google returns 50 different causes and 50 different solutions. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 5 12:13:08 2011 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 08:13:08 -0400 Subject: Friend looking for part time linux admin Message-ID: If you have some free time, and are comfortable with linux this is probably a few hours a week. Ping me off list. Dave Cramer VP Software Development Visible Assets Inc. www.visibleassets.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 5 13:11:33 2011 From: adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 09:11:33 -0400 Subject: Kernel panic on new Debian 6.01 install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110405131133.GI22558@adb.ca> Thomas Milne wrote: > I've installed Debian 6.01a on an old P3, mainly just to use a large > IDE drive I have laying around. Is there some kind of maximum drive > size for these old Pentium 3 motherboards? It's a 500GB drive, but I > thought Linux could handle any size. I've got a PIII Coppermine with a 500 gig IDE drive, and it's been running no problem. Mine is running Gentoo, though. > The install seemed to finish fine, but every time I boot up I get an > error like so 'VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)' Sounds like it's getting the kernel, so it and the bootstrap are ok, but it's missing a root filesystem, which could be either the initramfs (or initrd, if that Debian's older (I don't track Debian releases)), or the runtime root fs on the drive itself. Is LVM involved? Does the grub config have the right name for the root device? This is the sort of issue that separates the sysadmins from the end users. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 5 14:39:08 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 10:39:08 -0400 Subject: Kernel panic on new Debian 6.01 install In-Reply-To: <20110405131133.GI22558-SACILpcuo74@public.gmane.org> References: <20110405131133.GI22558@adb.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Anthony de Boer wrote: > Thomas Milne wrote: >> I've installed Debian 6.01a on an old P3, mainly just to use a large >> IDE drive I have laying around. Is there some kind of maximum drive >> size for these old Pentium 3 motherboards? It's a 500GB drive, but I >> thought Linux could handle any size. > > I've got a PIII Coppermine with a 500 gig IDE drive, and it's been > running no problem. ?Mine is running Gentoo, though. > >> The install seemed to finish fine, but every time I boot up I get an >> error like so 'VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)' > > Sounds like it's getting the kernel, so it and the bootstrap are ok, but > it's missing a root filesystem, which could be either the initramfs (or > initrd, if that Debian's older (I don't track Debian releases)), or the > runtime root fs on the drive itself. ?Is LVM involved? ?Does the grub > config have the right name for the root device? ?This is the sort of > issue that separates the sysadmins from the end users. > You got that right, I don't even know how to answer what you asked except that I did not choose to use LVM during the install. I could find where the grub config was, I guess, if I could get the machine to boot ;) I don't have a live-cd, I'll download one of those and see if I can get in that way. First time this has ever happened with Debian...makes me suspect my hardware. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 5 16:08:46 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 12:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: cheap Viewsonic gTablet Message-ID: Woot today (for the second time) sold out their gTablets at US$285. So TigerDirect.ca's offer of a gTablet for C$299.97 looks pretty good. But they might only sell it "mail order" and might charge too much for shipping (I don't know). The gTablet's hardware looks very good. Everyone whines about the firmware and recommend that you replace it. I have no experience with it (I have an iPad so I can wait patiently for something better. The fact that Google is not releasing the source for Android 3.0 for a while and is constraining licensed distributors concerns me.) Things I've noted: - capacitive touch screen (like iPad and Nook Color). Everyone says that this is important. I know that my iPad responds to touch much more fluidly than my Nokia N800 or my Nuvi GPS unit. Downside: stylus isn't useful; interface must account for reduced precision (or is it accuracy? I don't know). - I like the iPad's resolution (1024x768) better than the gTablet's 1024x600. I like the iPad's aspect ratio better too. - I like 10.1" tablets. 7" ones are more portable. For me, 10" is a win only if you get more pixels. - specs: - more connections than an iPad1 (camera, USB slave and host, MicroSD, HDMI? (may require a dock). - better CPU than my iPad (same as iPad2) - refurb iPad 1's were sold by the Apple store for not too much more than this. A better deal, but not for Linux reasons. I haven't seen stock for some time. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 5 16:49:36 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 12:49:36 -0400 Subject: cheap Viewsonic gTablet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:08 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > The gTablet's hardware looks very good. ?Everyone whines about the > firmware and recommend that you replace it. ?I have no experience with it It's apparently easy to install replacement firmware, which is a good sign: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Viewsonic_G_Tablet:_Full_Update_Guide Some devices involve heavy "jumping through burning hoops of fire," in comparison. > Things I've noted: > > - capacitive touch screen (like iPad and Nook Color). ?Everyone says that > ?this is important. ?I know that my iPad responds to touch much more > ?fluidly than my Nokia N800 or my Nuvi GPS unit. ?Downside: stylus isn't > ?useful; interface must account for reduced precision (or is it accuracy? > ?I don't know). Agree. Capacitive touch seems to be a pretty big deal. > - I like 10.1" tablets. ?7" ones are more portable. ?For me, 10" is a win > ?only if you get more pixels. That's pretty fair. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 5 16:49:50 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 12:49:50 -0400 Subject: Kernel panic on new Debian 6.01 install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110405164950.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 02:31:26AM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > I've installed Debian 6.01a on an old P3, mainly just to use a large > IDE drive I have laying around. Is there some kind of maximum drive > size for these old Pentium 3 motherboards? It's a 500GB drive, but I > thought Linux could handle any size. Linux can, but older IDE controllers only have LBA28, which limits them to 137GB. You need an IDE controller with LBA48 or LBA64 support to handle larger than that. My A7N8X-E-DX board which is possibly slightly newer than that gained LBA48 through a BIOS upgrade. It used to have the LBA28 limits. So it's always worth checking for a BIOS update. The other option is an add in PCI IDE controller that supports larger drives. > The install seemed to finish fine, but every time I boot up I get an > error like so 'VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)' > > Google returns 50 different causes and 50 different solutions. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 5 17:25:21 2011 From: hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Herb Richter) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 13:25:21 -0400 Subject: cheap Viewsonic gTablet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D9B5081.4030501@buynet.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Woot today (for the second time) sold out their gTablets at US$285. > > > So TigerDirect.ca's offer of a gTablet for C$299.97 looks pretty good. > But they might only sell it "mail order" and might charge too much for > shipping (I don't know). > > I bought this tablet a week ago at the Markham store (at $399. but have already received a $60 price guarantee credit - and I'll go back again for the $40 ;-) ) So far I'm not planning on rooting the device even though I would really like the access to Google's Android Market - many of the apps on the native gMarket seem somewhat primitive or at least premature. The screen is quite responsive - but no where near that of my Nexus One. A big plus is the battery life. Recharging is very quick but cannot be done via USB - both I guess, because the DC input from the adapter is 12v. A major flaw / inconvenience is the screen viewing angle - almost 90 degrees !!! - takes a lot of awkward positioning and getting used to. BTW, going to Tiger for the $60 price guarantee cost me $125. because I just needed to buy a Velocity Cruz 7" tablet :-) Price was good at $170. but the unit is quite limited and not worth any more. I wanted to use it mostly as a Mythtv remote control (mythmote) and to access mythweb. The screen (though capacitive and multi touch) is VERY sluggish and hard to use. Originally the wi-fi(n) worked OK but not great. Now after a firmware update it does not work at all - I will probably have to exchange it. Tech support so far has been very good. I wonder what my next warranty/guarantee trip to Tiger will cost me ;-) :-) Herb Richter... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 5 17:25:45 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 10:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: cheap Viewsonic gTablet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <678125.21437.qm@web113408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Even Creative has one, called Creative ZiiO: -- William ----- Original Message ---- > From: D. Hugh Redelmeier > To: Toronto Linux Users Group > Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 12:08:46 PM > Subject: [TLUG]: cheap Viewsonic gTablet > > Woot today (for the second time) sold out their gTablets at US$285. > > > So TigerDirect.ca's offer of a gTablet for C$299.97 looks pretty good. > But they might only sell it "mail order" and might charge too much for > shipping (I don't know). > >> > > The gTablet's hardware looks very good. Everyone whines about the > firmware and recommend that you replace it. I have no experience with it > > (I have an iPad so I can wait patiently for something better. The fact > that Google is not releasing the source for Android 3.0 for a while and is > constraining licensed distributors concerns me.) > > Things I've noted: > > - capacitive touch screen (like iPad and Nook Color). Everyone says that > this is important. I know that my iPad responds to touch much more > fluidly than my Nokia N800 or my Nuvi GPS unit. Downside: stylus isn't > useful; interface must account for reduced precision (or is it accuracy? > I don't know). > > - I like the iPad's resolution (1024x768) better than the gTablet's > 1024x600. I like the iPad's aspect ratio better too. > > - I like 10.1" tablets. 7" ones are more portable. For me, 10" is a win > only if you get more pixels. > > - specs: > > - more connections than an iPad1 (camera, USB slave and host, MicroSD, > HDMI? (may require a dock). > > - better CPU than my iPad (same as iPad2) > > - refurb iPad 1's were sold by the Apple store for not too much more than > this. A better deal, but not for Linux reasons. I haven't seen stock > for some time. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 5 20:37:24 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 16:37:24 -0400 Subject: SATA problem In-Reply-To: <20110404170445.GG347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110322172933.GV347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110404170445.GG347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 12:57:31PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: >> I wound up picking this up, and, after a certain amount of fighting >> with cabling, got it all working. ?Hurrah, 3.7TB free :-). > > I am currently using one of these: > http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=14_207&item_id=032449 > along with 4 1.5TB WD black drives. > > # parted /dev/sdb print > Model: ATA H/W RAID5 (scsi) > Disk /dev/sdb: 4501GB > Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B > Partition Table: gpt > > Number ?Start ? End ? ? Size ? ?File system ?Name ? Flags > ?1 ? ? ?17.4kB ?4401GB ?4401GB ? ? ? ? ? ? ? RAID5 > ?2 ? ? ?4401GB ?4501GB ?100GB ? ext3 ? ? ? ? SPARE > > Quite useful. Very interesting array device. Entertainingly, I have two spare eSATA ports from that card you suggested, so it would certainly be plausible to hook up something like this in addition to the two drives I already added. Some things not clear from the product... - It seems like it only gives 1 "line" into one's eSATA bus. Does that lose you bandwidth, or does that perhaps not much matter? - This device "cooks up" the RAID volumes for you? Or can you access them as individual drives? (Actually, found the answer to that: No... ) This is something of a "strike against," as it means my data is somewhat "held hostage" by the device. - It looks like it can be configured without needing particular software on the host that's to connect with it, right? I see an 8-bay unit that's coming Real Soon Now, which looks quite interesting too. Same inherent problems, of course. >> BTW, I turned the two drives into one grand big BTRFS filesystem, >> presumably in some equivalent to RAID 0. ?I still have two ports left >> over, so I could presumably add more disks and turn it into RAID 1 or >> such :-). > > No machine I ever build will ever use less than raid1. ?Disk failures > happen, disks are cheap, and I value my sanity and time too much to have > to do a reinstall and loose data. ?There is no excuse. Reinstall not an issue; I'm using the space assortedly: a) To play around with new filesystems b) Bulk storage of noncritical material If it happens to blow chunks, that won't enormously trouble me. It's tempting to consider the Mediasonic device, replete with drives, and at least the "n+1" protection against failure of RAID 5. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/fs.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 5 20:46:14 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 16:46:14 -0400 Subject: cheap Viewsonic gTablet In-Reply-To: <678125.21437.qm-CtIdhJAQs3MP4eY3Ra60wvu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <678125.21437.qm@web113408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:25 PM, William Park wrote: > Even Creative has one, called Creative ZiiO: > > The ZiiO has a resistive screen, which makes it rather nonpreferable to the gTablet, and add to that that it's got only half the memory, and, as far as I can tell, *no* options of alternative firmware. I wouldn't pay an extra $40 for that ;-). -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 5 20:52:13 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 16:52:13 -0400 Subject: SATA problem In-Reply-To: References: <20110322172933.GV347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110404170445.GG347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110405205213.GI347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 04:37:24PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > Very interesting array device. Entertainingly, I have two spare eSATA > ports from that card you suggested, so it would certainly be plausible > to hook up something like this in addition to the two drives I already > added. > > Some things not clear from the product... > - It seems like it only gives 1 "line" into one's eSATA bus. Does > that lose you bandwidth, or does that perhaps not much matter? 3Gbps is quite a bit of bandwidth for 4 drives. For SSDs it would be a major limitation. > - This device "cooks up" the RAID volumes for you? Or can you access > them as individual drives? (Actually, found the answer to that: No... > ) Yeah the raid version is raid only. The cheaper boxes show indivudual disks only (but require the eSata port to support port multipliers). > This is something of a "strike against," as it means my data is > somewhat "held hostage" by the device. Well that's true of ANY raid design that isn't purely software pretty much. > - It looks like it can be configured without needing particular > software on the host that's to connect with it, right? Yep, hit a couple of buttons and it is done. There is no software to worry about. > I see an 8-bay unit that's coming Real Soon Now, which looks quite > interesting too. Same inherent problems, of course. Of course. > Reinstall not an issue; I'm using the space assortedly: > a) To play around with new filesystems > b) Bulk storage of noncritical material > > If it happens to blow chunks, that won't enormously trouble me. I hate loosing anything I spent any time on no matter how irrelevant. > It's tempting to consider the Mediasonic device, replete with drives, > and at least the "n+1" protection against failure of RAID 5. RAID 5 is very nice, especially with dedicated hardware to handle it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cpchan-CzeTG9NwML0 at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 5 22:07:34 2011 From: cpchan-CzeTG9NwML0 at public.gmane.org (Charles Philip Chan) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 18:07:34 -0400 Subject: cheap Viewsonic gTablet In-Reply-To: (D. Hugh Redelmeier's message of "Tue, 5 Apr 2011 12:08:46 -0400 (EDT)") References: Message-ID: "D. Hugh Redelmeier" writes: > So TigerDirect.ca's offer of a gTablet for C$299.97 looks pretty good. > But they might only sell it "mail order" and might charge too much for > shipping (I don't know). > Thanks for the heads up, this is a good price. I was actually consider buying an Archos 101, but this one have better specs. Time to do more research. Charles -- "Whip me. Beat me. Make me maintain AIX." (By Stephan Zielinski) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a 500GB drive, but I >> thought Linux could handle any size. > > Linux can, but older IDE controllers only have LBA28, which limits them > to 137GB. ?You need an IDE controller with LBA48 or LBA64 support to > handle larger than that. Would that be reflected in the boot process? The reason I ask is that during boot, the BIOS detects a '500 GB' hd. Would it show that if the controllers were limited as you describe? > My A7N8X-E-DX board which is possibly slightly newer than that gained > LBA48 through a BIOS upgrade. ?It used to have the LBA28 limits. ?So it's > always worth checking for a BIOS update. ?The other option is an add in > PCI IDE controller that supports larger drives. > >> The install seemed to finish fine, but every time I boot up I get an >> error like so 'VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)' >> >> Google returns 50 different causes and 50 different solutions. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 5 23:55:07 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 19:55:07 -0400 Subject: Kernel panic on new Debian 6.01 install In-Reply-To: References: <20110405164950.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110405235507.GJ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 06:59:33PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > Would that be reflected in the boot process? The reason I ask is that > during boot, the BIOS detects a '500 GB' hd. Would it show that if the > controllers were limited as you describe? The BIOS may have such a limit and still show the right size of drive, since the drive size read call hasn't changed, but the way to use that capacity has. You ask for disk size, and it returns a 32bit value. But if you only have a 28bit disk interface to request blocks by LBA, you can't use 32bits worth of sectors. It was only when disks went over 2TB that they had to invent a new disk capacity read command that uses a bigger number. No one ever said PCs made sense. :) Certainly a P3 machine is old enough that it very well could be limited to LBA28. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 5 23:57:59 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 19:57:59 -0400 Subject: cheap domains host that is reliable In-Reply-To: <20110404035122.GB2002@towel> References: <4D97E7C2.1050406@gmail.com> <4D987B82.1040602@rogers.com> <20110404035122.GB2002@towel> Message-ID: <4D9BAC87.3000408@gmail.com> On 11-04-03 11:51 PM, Brandon wrote: > On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 09:52:02AM -0400, James Knott wrote: >> Rajinder Yadav wrote: >>> Guys, >>> >>> I am with IPower and need to find a cheaper alternative to domain >>> registration. I don't want a cheap fly-by-night operation. >>> >>> Can anyone recommend me a place I can transfer my domains to and >>> save money. I got a few domains registered and saving a few bucks >>> would add up and make sense. >>> >>> Also the domain host needs to have a panel for me to log into and >>> administer the domain settings. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >> I got mine through Google apps. It's $10 U.S. per year. My only >> complaint is that it doesn't support IPv6 addresses. >> > > I have no experience with any of these, but I've heard good things about > them: > gandi.net > name.com > namecheap.com > > Definitely not: > godaddy.com > 1and1.com > > Here is a recent thread I came across w/ recommendations: > http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2392927 > > The only domain I have currently, is with Dreamhost.com because I had > some hosting with them at the time I initially registered it. well thanks all, i was able to get my current domain provider to reduce my rewenal fee, they will renew all my domains @ $9.99 going forward, happy i asked them before i made the switch i an happy with these guys and i told them that, i've never had any problems with them in the past and their panel makes it really easy to change the settings i need to -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 6 00:54:11 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 20:54:11 -0400 Subject: Kernel panic on new Debian 6.01 install In-Reply-To: <20110405235507.GJ347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110405164950.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110405235507.GJ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 06:59:33PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: >> Would that be reflected in the boot process? The reason I ask is that >> during boot, the BIOS detects a '500 GB' hd. Would it show that if the >> controllers were limited as you describe? > > The BIOS may have such a limit and still show the right size of drive, > since the drive size read call hasn't changed, but the way to use that > capacity has. ?You ask for disk size, and it returns a 32bit value. > But if you only have a 28bit disk interface to request blocks by LBA, > you can't use 32bits worth of sectors. ?It was only when disks went over > 2TB that they had to invent a new disk capacity read command that uses > a bigger number. ?No one ever said PCs made sense. :) > > Certainly a P3 machine is old enough that it very well could be limited > to LBA28. > Thanks for the info :) -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbc-gpQNmkgQrW4 at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 6 14:02:29 2011 From: cbc-gpQNmkgQrW4 at public.gmane.org (Chris Calloway) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 10:02:29 -0400 Subject: Post not going through Message-ID: <4D9C7275.4040605@unc.edu> Hi, I've been subscribed to the TLUG list for over a year. I get messages from the list. And have successfully participated in discussions on the list in the past by posting. I recently sent a short post to the list concerning Toronto PyCamp 2011. But my message did not appear on the list. I posted about last year's PyCamp to TLUG and at least one frequent poster from the list, Giles Orr, signed up for the event (as he has done again this year) as a result. The post even spawned a small discussion about Python IDEs, and I participated in that thread. I checked my subscription by sending a "which" command to tlug-request-HcP7FbCj2GGbup2nOX2J7Q at public.gmane.org It informed me that I was subscribed only to tlug-announce. I thought this was strange because I've gotten all the message from the tlug general discussion list for the last year. So I sent a subscribe request to Majordomo-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org and then responded to the authentication request from Majordomo-jmbJ75VLJBo at public.gmane.org It informed that I was already subscribed to tlug, as I believe I am based on receiving messages from tlug, although the results of the which command seemed otherwise. The GTALUG list is the main communication mechanism amongst people interested in open source in the Toronto area. I would very much list to see my post appear on the list. Are my posts being moderated and my post concerning PyCamp considered unworthy? Is there something else I need to do to post to the TLUG list of which I may be unaware. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 6 14:50:40 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:50:40 -0400 Subject: Post not going through In-Reply-To: <4D9C7275.4040605-gpQNmkgQrW4@public.gmane.org> References: <4D9C7275.4040605@unc.edu> Message-ID: <20110406145040.GK347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 10:02:29AM -0400, Chris Calloway wrote: > I've been subscribed to the TLUG list for over a year. I get messages > from the list. And have successfully participated in discussions on the > list in the past by posting. > > I recently sent a short post to the list concerning Toronto PyCamp 2011. > But my message did not appear on the list. > > I posted about last year's PyCamp to TLUG and at least one frequent > poster from the list, Giles Orr, signed up for the event (as he has done > again this year) as a result. The post even spawned a small discussion > about Python IDEs, and I participated in that thread. > > I checked my subscription by sending a "which" command to > tlug-request-HcP7FbCj2GGbup2nOX2J7Q at public.gmane.org It informed me that I was subscribed only to > tlug-announce. I thought this was strange because I've gotten all the > message from the tlug general discussion list for the last year. > > So I sent a subscribe request to Majordomo-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org and then responded to > the authentication request from Majordomo-jmbJ75VLJBo at public.gmane.org It informed that I was > already subscribed to tlug, as I believe I am based on receiving > messages from tlug, although the results of the which command seemed > otherwise. > > The GTALUG list is the main communication mechanism amongst people > interested in open source in the Toronto area. I would very much list to > see my post appear on the list. Are my posts being moderated and my post > concerning PyCamp considered unworthy? Is there something else I need to > do to post to the TLUG list of which I may be unaware. This post seems to have made it through. No idea why others might not have. I have never had a post not go through that I know of. Make sure you are sending to the right address (tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) and of course that you are sending from the address that is subscribed (I have made that mistake before). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 6 15:22:03 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:22:03 -0400 Subject: Post not going through In-Reply-To: <4D9C7275.4040605-gpQNmkgQrW4@public.gmane.org> References: <4D9C7275.4040605@unc.edu> Message-ID: <20110406152203.GA17481@yam.witteman.ca> On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 10:02:29AM -0400, Chris Calloway wrote: >The GTALUG list is the main communication mechanism amongst people >interested in open source in the Toronto area. I would very much list >to see my post appear on the list. Are my posts being moderated and >my post concerning PyCamp considered unworthy? Is there something >else I need to do to post to the TLUG list of which I may be unaware. I certainly don't think a PyCamp post would be unworthy - it is my primary development language and thus of significant interest. I think that the list software sometimes chokes or barfs on some posts - no idea why. The list, unless I am very much mistaken, is maintained and managed voluntarily, and so accidents or errors may not get corrected as quickly as they might if we paid for the list maintenance. I am glad to get what we get - this list is excellent - but if I don't see a post I'll resend it. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would not have worded the question the same if I thought it was going to the TLUG list proper. It also posted with a reply-to TLUG, which I did not set. Someone might want to check and see what's going on with majordomo-jmbJ75VLJBo at public.gmane.org > Make sure you are sending to the right address (tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) and of > course that you are sending from the address that is subscribed (I have > made that mistake before). Yep. If this post goes through, I'll try posting about PyCamp again. Sorry for the OT diversion. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbc-gpQNmkgQrW4 at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 6 16:04:04 2011 From: cbc-gpQNmkgQrW4 at public.gmane.org (Chris Calloway) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 12:04:04 -0400 Subject: Toronto PyCamp 2011 Message-ID: <4D9C8EF4.5010809@unc.edu> The University of Toronto Department of Physics brings PyCamp to Toronto on Monday, June 27 through Thursday, June 30, 2011. Register today at http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/torpy11/ For beginners, this ultra-low-cost Python Boot Camp makes you productive so you can get your work done quickly. PyCamp emphasizes the features which make Python a simpler and more efficient language. Following along with example Python PushUps? speeds your learning process. Become a self-sufficient Python developer in just four days at PyCamp! PyCamp is conducted on the campus of the University of Toronto in a state of the art high technology classroom. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 6 18:59:07 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: VT-d or IOMMU -- any motherboard? Message-ID: <61905.58781.qm@web113405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi all, I'm interested in trying out VT-d (in Intel) or IOMMU (in AMD). From reading, AMD 890FX chipset has support for IOMMU. But, most 890FX motherboards are "consumer" grade, and they have tendency to lie or are flaky. And, there is no "consumer" chipset (ie. P55, P67, X58, etc) from Intel that supports VT-d. X58 was to support it, but Intel said that was misprint. This means going with Intel "server" chipset. Has anyone used VT-d on Intel platform? If so, which brand/model? -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 6 19:10:20 2011 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 15:10:20 -0400 Subject: VT-d or IOMMU -- any motherboard? In-Reply-To: <61905.58781.qm-CtIdhJAQs3N+W+z1sZEpBPu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <61905.58781.qm@web113405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://communities.intel.com/thread/2181 i see vt-d stuff in menu of my rampage III asus mobo, disappointing if it really is not usable. http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/11/23/asus_rampage_iii_formula_motherboard_review/3 tl On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:59 PM, William Park wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm interested in trying out VT-d (in Intel) or IOMMU (in AMD). ?From reading, > AMD 890FX chipset has support for IOMMU. ?But, most 890FX motherboards are > "consumer" grade, and they have tendency to lie or are flaky. ?And, there is no > "consumer" chipset (ie. P55, P67, X58, etc) from Intel that supports VT-d. ?X58 > was to support it, but Intel said that was misprint. ?This means going with > Intel "server" chipset. > > Has anyone used VT-d on Intel platform? ?If so, which brand/model? > -- > William > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 6 19:14:53 2011 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 15:14:53 -0400 Subject: VT-d or IOMMU -- any motherboard? In-Reply-To: <61905.58781.qm-CtIdhJAQs3N+W+z1sZEpBPu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <61905.58781.qm@web113405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D9CBBAD.1020001@utoronto.ca> On 04/ 6/11 02:59 PM, William Park wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm interested in trying out VT-d (in Intel) or IOMMU (in AMD). From reading, > AMD 890FX chipset has support for IOMMU. But, most 890FX motherboards are > "consumer" grade, and they have tendency to lie or are flaky. And, there is no > "consumer" chipset (ie. P55, P67, X58, etc) from Intel that supports VT-d. X58 > was to support it, but Intel said that was misprint. This means going with > Intel "server" chipset. > > Has anyone used VT-d on Intel platform? If so, which brand/model? I don't think you'd have an issue with a Gigabyte 890FX series board. That would get you IOMMU support. I find their boards are extremely reliable, even when overclocking components. My $0.02. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 6 19:46:26 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 15:46:26 -0400 Subject: Disk Thrashing with Firfox Message-ID: <4D9CC312.1060504@rogers.com> I am using EXT3 if that matters. And Ubuntu 10.10. Other than the thrashing, the disk seems fine. But while it is occurring, FF freezes and Gnome dims the windows. Is this something I should be concerned about? Suggestions? Thanks Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 6 20:02:42 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:02:42 -0400 Subject: VT-d or IOMMU -- any motherboard? In-Reply-To: <61905.58781.qm-CtIdhJAQs3N+W+z1sZEpBPu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <61905.58781.qm@web113405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110406200242.GL347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 11:59:07AM -0700, William Park wrote: > I'm interested in trying out VT-d (in Intel) or IOMMU (in AMD). From reading, > AMD 890FX chipset has support for IOMMU. But, most 890FX motherboards are > "consumer" grade, and they have tendency to lie or are flaky. And, there is no > "consumer" chipset (ie. P55, P67, X58, etc) from Intel that supports VT-d. X58 > was to support it, but Intel said that was misprint. This means going with > Intel "server" chipset. > > Has anyone used VT-d on Intel platform? If so, which brand/model? It seems anything that is vPro certified should have vt-d. Some others do as well. This lists some known to work: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/VTdHowTo Some X58 boards do in fact work with vt-d. The main problem has been broken BIOSs. That link above shows a couple of X58 asus boards that now work using BETA BIOS releases. The Qx5 chipsets seem to be the most common to work, since those are usually the ones used in vPro machines. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 6 20:44:09 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 13:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Disk Thrashing with Firfox In-Reply-To: <4D9CC312.1060504-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D9CC312.1060504@rogers.com> Message-ID: <398814.37708.qm@web113414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Same here with Firefox-3.6.16, KDE-4.4.3, kernel-2.6.38.2. I think it has something to do with its internal SQL files. -- William ----- Original Message ---- > From: Stephen > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 3:46:26 PM > Subject: [TLUG]: Disk Thrashing with Firfox > > I am using EXT3 if that matters. And Ubuntu 10.10. > > Other than the thrashing, the disk seems fine. > > But while it is occurring, FF freezes and Gnome dims the windows. > > Is this something I should be concerned about? > > Suggestions? > > Thanks > Stephen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 6 20:58:39 2011 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:58:39 -0400 Subject: OT: Job opportunities Message-ID: Hey LUGers! I know that finding cool jobs isn't the easiest gauntlet to run, so I wanted to give everyone a heads up on some positions open at FreshBooks. I just started here a few weeks back as a Linux SysAdmin and it's an amazing company to work for, so if you have skills in Web Development, DB Development/planning/etc, SAS or any other sorts of IT skills (or non-tech skills), check out the positions we are currently hiring for: http://www.freshbooks.com/careers/ Also, feel free to contact me offlist with questions, and if you do apply, drop my name as the referrer and let me know you applied! -jason shaw -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 7 02:35:40 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 22:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: VT-d or IOMMU -- any motherboard? In-Reply-To: <20110406200242.GL347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <61905.58781.qm@web113405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110406200242.GL347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | It seems anything that is vPro certified should have vt-d. Some others | do as well. Odd, that seems to include my ThinkPad x61t tablet. Should that show up in /proc/cpuid flags? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 7 14:18:49 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 10:18:49 -0400 Subject: OT: Job opportunities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D9DC7C9.2000308@rogers.com> I have sent in my resume. tnx jk Jason Shaw wrote: > Hey LUGers! > > I know that finding cool jobs isn't the easiest gauntlet to run, so I > wanted to give everyone a heads up on some positions open at > FreshBooks. I just started here a few weeks back as a Linux SysAdmin > and it's an amazing company to work for, so if you have skills in Web > Development, DB Development/planning/etc, SAS or any other sorts of IT > skills (or non-tech skills), check out the positions we are currently > hiring for: > > http://www.freshbooks.com/careers/ > > Also, feel free to contact me offlist with questions, and if you do > apply, drop my name as the referrer and let me know you applied! > -jason shaw -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 7 16:10:29 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 12:10:29 -0400 Subject: VT-d or IOMMU -- any motherboard? In-Reply-To: References: <61905.58781.qm@web113405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110406200242.GL347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110407161029.GM347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 10:35:40PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Lennart Sorensen > > | It seems anything that is vPro certified should have vt-d. Some others > | do as well. > > Odd, that seems to include my ThinkPad x61t tablet. > > Should that show up in /proc/cpuid flags? Well the cpu should show vmx I think, but the chipset matters too, so that would not be in /proc/cpu stuff as far as I know. dmesg might show iommu or something if you have it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 8 00:05:08 2011 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 20:05:08 -0400 Subject: OT: Job opportunities In-Reply-To: <4D9DC7C9.2000308-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D9DC7C9.2000308@rogers.com> Message-ID: Hey James, thanks for letting me know. If you get an interview, let me know. As for jobs that are open, basically every position on that page I linked are open, although the Linux Admin position is not a priority since I was just hired for it, but I believe they are still taking applications as the Ops team can still use some help. Everything else on there is fair game. thanks! jason shaw On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:18 AM, James Knott wrote: > I have sent in my resume. > > tnx jk > > > > Jason Shaw wrote: > >> Hey LUGers! >> >> I know that finding cool jobs isn't the easiest gauntlet to run, so I >> wanted to give everyone a heads up on some positions open at FreshBooks. I >> just started here a few weeks back as a Linux SysAdmin and it's an amazing >> company to work for, so if you have skills in Web Development, DB >> Development/planning/etc, SAS or any other sorts of IT skills (or non-tech >> skills), check out the positions we are currently hiring for: >> >> http://www.freshbooks.com/careers/ >> >> Also, feel free to contact me offlist with questions, and if you do apply, >> drop my name as the referrer and let me know you applied! >> -jason shaw >> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 8 00:31:13 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 20:31:13 -0400 Subject: VT-d or IOMMU -- any motherboard? In-Reply-To: <20110406200242.GL347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <61905.58781.qm@web113405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110406200242.GL347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110408003113.GA5861@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 11:59:07AM -0700, William Park wrote: > > I'm interested in trying out VT-d (in Intel) or IOMMU (in AMD). > > From reading, AMD 890FX chipset has support for IOMMU. But, most > > 890FX motherboards are "consumer" grade, and they have tendency to > > lie or are flaky. And, there is no "consumer" chipset (ie. P55, > > P67, X58, etc) from Intel that supports VT-d. X58 was to support > > it, but Intel said that was misprint. This means going with Intel > > "server" chipset. > > > > Has anyone used VT-d on Intel platform? If so, which brand/model? > > It seems anything that is vPro certified should have vt-d. Some > others do as well. > > This lists some known to work: > http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/VTdHowTo Yes, that site is probably the most informative and practical of entire Google universe. > > Some X58 boards do in fact work with vt-d. The main problem has been > broken BIOSs. That link above shows a couple of X58 asus boards that > now work using BETA BIOS releases. > > The Qx5 chipsets seem to be the most common to work, since those are > usually the ones used in vPro machines. What irritates me is that it's so much dependent on BIOS, and you won't know that until you buy the board and go into BIOS. Eg. Asus has Q67 and C206 motherboards (Sandy Bridge family) which supposed to have VT-d. Well, downloaded manuals say nothing about VT-d. Intel recently came out with C202/C204/C206 chipset, Xeon E3-12xx cpu, and S1200BT motherboard. They are Sandy Bridge family, which is cheaper. But, they are available only in US, ie. has them but not . Of course, 8GB ECC is not cheap. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 8 01:16:21 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 21:16:21 -0400 Subject: OT: Job opportunities In-Reply-To: References: <4D9DC7C9.2000308@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110408011620.GA6542@node1.opengeometry.net> Hi Jason, There are aweful lot of positions to be hiring at the same time. Out of curiosity, has there been management change or buyout recently? If it's sensitive, then no need to answer. :-) -- William On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 08:05:08PM -0400, Jason Shaw wrote: > Hey James, thanks for letting me know. If you get an interview, let me > know. > > As for jobs that are open, basically every position on that page I linked > are open, although the Linux Admin position is not a priority since I was > just hired for it, but I believe they are still taking applications as the > Ops team can still use some help. Everything else on there is fair game. > > thanks! > jason shaw > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:18 AM, James Knott wrote: > > > I have sent in my resume. > > > > tnx jk > > > > > > > > Jason Shaw wrote: > > > >> Hey LUGers! > >> > >> I know that finding cool jobs isn't the easiest gauntlet to run, so I > >> wanted to give everyone a heads up on some positions open at FreshBooks. I > >> just started here a few weeks back as a Linux SysAdmin and it's an amazing > >> company to work for, so if you have skills in Web Development, DB > >> Development/planning/etc, SAS or any other sorts of IT skills (or non-tech > >> skills), check out the positions we are currently hiring for: > >> > >> http://www.freshbooks.com/careers/ > >> > >> Also, feel free to contact me offlist with questions, and if you do apply, > >> drop my name as the referrer and let me know you applied! > >> -jason shaw > >> > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 8 01:23:07 2011 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 21:23:07 -0400 Subject: OT: Job opportunities In-Reply-To: <20110408011620.GA6542-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4D9DC7C9.2000308@rogers.com> <20110408011620.GA6542@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: Nope, nothing fishy or anything, just that we are growing quickly (but not recklessly) and have found holes that need filled. Do some googling on FreshBooks and you'll see that it's an awesome company with a great reputation and as such, we have a lot of clients and a lot of plans but not enough (wo)man-power to make it all happen right now. Developers are the major resource we are in need of though, what with being a SAS company and all. -jason shaw On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:16 PM, William Park wrote: > Hi Jason, > > There are aweful lot of positions to be hiring at the same time. Out of > curiosity, has there been management change or buyout recently? If it's > sensitive, then no need to answer. :-) > -- > William > > On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 08:05:08PM -0400, Jason Shaw wrote: > > Hey James, thanks for letting me know. If you get an interview, let me > > know. > > > > As for jobs that are open, basically every position on that page I linked > > are open, although the Linux Admin position is not a priority since I was > > just hired for it, but I believe they are still taking applications as > the > > Ops team can still use some help. Everything else on there is fair game. > > > > thanks! > > jason shaw > > > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:18 AM, James Knott > wrote: > > > > > I have sent in my resume. > > > > > > tnx jk > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason Shaw wrote: > > > > > >> Hey LUGers! > > >> > > >> I know that finding cool jobs isn't the easiest gauntlet to run, so I > > >> wanted to give everyone a heads up on some positions open at > FreshBooks. I > > >> just started here a few weeks back as a Linux SysAdmin and it's an > amazing > > >> company to work for, so if you have skills in Web Development, DB > > >> Development/planning/etc, SAS or any other sorts of IT skills (or > non-tech > > >> skills), check out the positions we are currently hiring for: > > >> > > >> http://www.freshbooks.com/careers/ > > >> > > >> Also, feel free to contact me offlist with questions, and if you do > apply, > > >> drop my name as the referrer and let me know you applied! > > >> -jason shaw > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 8 01:40:33 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 21:40:33 -0400 Subject: OT: Job opportunities In-Reply-To: References: <4D9DC7C9.2000308@rogers.com> <20110408011620.GA6542@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: > Nope, nothing fishy or anything, just that we are growing quickly (but > not?recklessly) and have found holes that need filled. ?Do some googling on > FreshBooks and you'll see that it's an awesome company with a great > reputation and as such, we have a lot of clients and a lot of plans but not > enough (wo)man-power to make it all happen right now. ?Developers are the > major resource we are in need of though, what with being a SAS company and > all. My understanding was that SAS was a *hyper*-expensive product, as in, thousands of dollars per seat, the whole traditional "mainframe pricing" model (and I gather this hasn't changed). One of my classmates in grad school wound up selling for them for a while. They were real big on selling class time at their "SAS Institute." When doing our grad work in statistics, the university found it way more economical to do site licensing of SPSS. But perhaps I'm misunderstanding, and you're not one of the SAS companies... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 8 11:53:29 2011 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 07:53:29 -0400 Subject: OT: Job opportunities In-Reply-To: References: <4D9DC7C9.2000308@rogers.com> <20110408011620.GA6542@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: Hey Christopher, you absolutely correct about SAS and it's my fault, I missed the second A in there as well to make it SAAS, Software As A Service. FreshBooks is an online invoicing company that stores the software and data all on our servers and you access it all via a browser. Sorry for the confusion :) -jason shaw On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: > > Nope, nothing fishy or anything, just that we are growing quickly (but > > not recklessly) and have found holes that need filled. Do some googling > on > > FreshBooks and you'll see that it's an awesome company with a great > > reputation and as such, we have a lot of clients and a lot of plans but > not > > enough (wo)man-power to make it all happen right now. Developers are the > > major resource we are in need of though, what with being a SAS company > and > > all. > > My understanding was that SAS was a *hyper*-expensive product, as in, > thousands of dollars per seat, the whole traditional "mainframe > pricing" model (and I gather this hasn't changed). One of my > classmates in grad school wound up selling for them for a while. They > were real big on selling class time at their "SAS Institute." > > When doing our grad work in statistics, the university found it way > more economical to do site licensing of SPSS. > > But perhaps I'm misunderstanding, and you're not one of the SAS > companies... > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 8 14:59:40 2011 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:59:40 -0400 Subject: OT: Job opportunities In-Reply-To: References: <4D9DC7C9.2000308@rogers.com> Message-ID: I have two tips for everybody here: 1. Make a LinkedIn profile -- now. I got my last three jobs through LinkedIn (both in Brazil and Canada). 2. There's a job search engine called SimplyHired that generates a nifty RSS feed. It's an amazing way to search for jobs without really making an effort; the positions just appear automagically on Google Reader everyday. http://www.simplyhired.ca And, yes, there's a HUGE offer of jobs right now, both for developers (any language, seriously) and Linux sysadmins. BTW we're hiring at theScore. Right now we're looking for: - Ruby/Rails programmers (note: we *can* afford to be picky right now; you'd better have some cool code samples/portfolio). - Technical QA analyst for the multi-platform mobile app. You must be into sports to apply for this one. It's a lot of work, but you'll get to play with every gadget imaginable, including a few prototypes. If you think you're a good fit for one of the positions, email me at fabio.fzero+thescorejobs-Re5JQEeQqe9fmgfxC/sS/w at public.gmane.org - Fabio -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 8 15:10:37 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 11:10:37 -0400 Subject: VT-d or IOMMU -- any motherboard? In-Reply-To: <20110408003113.GA5861-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <61905.58781.qm@web113405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110406200242.GL347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110408003113.GA5861@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110408151037.GN347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 08:31:13PM -0400, William Park wrote: > What irritates me is that it's so much dependent on BIOS, and you won't > know that until you buy the board and go into BIOS. Eg. Asus has Q67 > and C206 motherboards (Sandy Bridge family) which supposed to have VT-d. > Well, downloaded manuals say nothing about VT-d. > > Intel recently came out with C202/C204/C206 chipset, Xeon E3-12xx cpu, > and S1200BT motherboard. They are Sandy Bridge family, which is > cheaper. But, they are available only in US, ie. has them > but not . Of course, 8GB ECC is not cheap. It certainly seems that it comes down to having a BIOS that enables it and sets up the ACPI tables correctly (apparently a big problem for many vendors to do). A couple of years ago it was the same with supporting vt-x at all on teh CPU. So many vendors disabled it in the BIOS even though the CPU supported it because they hadn't tested it and were worried about their crappy SMM code not working with it. Sony was especially bad on their laptops. Until windows starts to make good use of it, most vendors just don't bother with it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 10 18:19:34 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 14:19:34 -0400 Subject: Trying to find my application menu... Message-ID: Actually I'm trying to figure out if maybe this is a bug. I have lost all entries in my Gnome menu except for system settings and Gnome preferences and so on. If I click on 'more applications' in the Gnome menu, however, I get 'Failure loading - applications.menu'. When I try a locate on that, I get: /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu /etc/xdg/menus/kde4-applications.menu /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-10 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-11 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-12 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-13 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-14 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-15 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-16 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-17 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-18 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-19 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-20 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-21 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-22 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-23 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-24 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-25 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-26 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-27 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-28 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-29 /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-30 /usr/share/app-install/desktop/applications.menu I found some tips that the menu should be /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu, so I copied over the file from /usr/share, but that did not help at all. I also tried ln -s /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu to no avail. Before I submit a bug report, I just want to see if this is something I might have inadvertantly borked myself. Anyone else seen this or have any tips to illuminate? Thanks! -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 10 18:36:17 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 14:36:17 -0400 Subject: Trying to find my application menu... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > Actually I'm trying to figure out if maybe this is a bug. I have lost > all entries in my Gnome menu except for system settings and Gnome > preferences and so on. If I click on 'more applications' in the Gnome > menu, however, I get 'Failure loading - applications.menu'. When I try > a locate on that, I get: > > /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu > /etc/xdg/menus/kde4-applications.menu > /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-10 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-11 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-12 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-13 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-14 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-15 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-16 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-17 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-18 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-19 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-20 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-21 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-22 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-23 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-24 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-25 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-26 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-27 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-28 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-29 > /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-30 > /usr/share/app-install/desktop/applications.menu > > I found some tips that the menu should be > /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu, so I copied over the file from > /usr/share, but that did not help at all. > > I also tried ln -s /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu > /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu to no avail. > > Before I submit a bug report, I just want to see if this is something > I might have inadvertantly borked myself. Anyone else seen this or > have any tips to illuminate? > > Thanks! > I suppose I should mention, this began on Debian Testing, and has persisted up to now that I am running Debian Unstable. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 10 21:19:16 2011 From: andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:19:16 -0400 Subject: Trying to find my application menu... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4/10/11, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> Actually I'm trying to figure out if maybe this is a bug. I have lost >> all entries in my Gnome menu except for system settings and Gnome >> preferences and so on. If I click on 'more applications' in the Gnome >> menu, however, I get 'Failure loading - applications.menu'. When I try >> a locate on that, I get: >> >> /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu >> /etc/xdg/menus/kde4-applications.menu >> /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-10 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-11 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-12 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-13 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-14 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-15 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-16 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-17 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-18 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-19 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-20 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-21 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-22 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-23 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-24 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-25 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-26 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-27 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-28 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-29 >> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-30 >> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/applications.menu >> >> I found some tips that the menu should be >> /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu, so I copied over the file from >> /usr/share, but that did not help at all. >> >> I also tried ln -s /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu >> /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu to no avail. >> >> Before I submit a bug report, I just want to see if this is something >> I might have inadvertantly borked myself. Anyone else seen this or >> have any tips to illuminate? >> >> Thanks! >> > > I suppose I should mention, this began on Debian Testing, and has > persisted up to now that I am running Debian Unstable. Not knowing anything about Gnome, it seems like a config file is corrupted. Try moving them out of the way, one by one, starting with the one in your home directory, and see what happens. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 10 23:12:05 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 19:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Trying to find my application menu... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Thomas Milne | Before I submit a bug report, I just want to see if this is something | I might have inadvertantly borked myself. Anyone else seen this or | have any tips to illuminate? No idea. But here's a technique I've used to solve some puzzles: create a new user and see (1) if its config works, and if so, (2) how it differs from yours. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 11 00:32:26 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:32:26 -0400 Subject: Unix Unanimous Meeting - Wednesday 13 April 2011 Message-ID: Unix Unanimous Meeting - Wednesday 13 April 2011 Map of Area The next meeting of Unix Unanimous will be held at 6:45 pm on Wednesday 13 April 2011, in room BA 2179 on the 2nd floor of the Bahen Centre for Information Technology at 40 St. George Street, on the University of Toronto campus. Unix Unanimous is an informal gathering of people interested in Unix and related topics. There are no fees or membership requirements, and the meeting is open to all. Participants typically include Unix professionals, students, and hobbyists. This message will be repeated on the Monday before the meeting. If there are any items for the agenda, please email u-u-owner-nUbHFpetmNumKAeH2fHhIti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org before then. The meeting is always held on the second Wednesday of each month. Special Announcements: # A mailing list has been set up for this announcement. If you wish to receive notification via email, go to https://unixunanimous.org/mailman/listinfo/u-u/ to add yourself to the list. # A map of the area can be found at http://unixunanimous.org, where this message is repeated, and will always contain the correct location and time of the next meeting. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 11 15:36:25 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:36:25 -0400 Subject: Trying to find my application menu... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 7:12 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Thomas Milne > > | Before I submit a bug report, I just want to see if this is something > | I might have inadvertantly borked myself. Anyone else seen this or > | have any tips to illuminate? > > No idea. > > But here's a technique I've used to solve some puzzles: create a new > user and see (1) if its config works, and if so, (2) how it differs > from yours. Well, thanks for the tip, because that led me right to the solution. The suggestions online all had to do with /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu, but I also had a ~/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu which was _blank_. So I did cp /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu ~/.config/menus/ and it worked. Many thanks! -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 11 15:37:38 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:37:38 -0400 Subject: Trying to find my application menu... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Andrej Marjan wrote: > On 4/10/11, Thomas Milne wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Thomas Milne >> wrote: >>> Actually I'm trying to figure out if maybe this is a bug. I have lost >>> all entries in my Gnome menu except for system settings and Gnome >>> preferences and so on. If I click on 'more applications' in the Gnome >>> menu, however, I get 'Failure loading - applications.menu'. When I try >>> a locate on that, I get: >>> >>> /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu >>> /etc/xdg/menus/kde4-applications.menu >>> /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-10 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-11 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-12 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-13 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-14 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-15 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-16 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-17 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-18 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-19 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-20 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-21 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-22 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-23 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-24 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-25 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-26 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-27 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-28 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-29 >>> /home/joehill/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu.undo-30 >>> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/applications.menu >>> >>> I found some tips that the menu should be >>> /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu, so I copied over the file from >>> /usr/share, but that did not help at all. >>> >>> I also tried ln -s /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu >>> /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu to no avail. >>> >>> Before I submit a bug report, I just want to see if this is something >>> I might have inadvertantly borked myself. Anyone else seen this or >>> have any tips to illuminate? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >> >> I suppose I should mention, this began on Debian Testing, and has >> persisted up to now that I am running Debian Unstable. > > Not knowing anything about Gnome, it seems like a config file is corrupted. > > Try moving them out of the way, one by one, starting with the one in > your home directory, and see what happens. Well, it was not as intensive as all that ... ;) But yes, it turned out you were right about it being in my home dir. Thanks! -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 11 23:39:17 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:39:17 -0400 Subject: Jobs at Google (Re: Hello from Google) In-Reply-To: References: <20110411211103.GA18006@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110411230143.GA18408@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110411233917.GA18701@node1.opengeometry.net> Hi all, Here are Google jobs that someone contacted me for. -- William On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 04:19:16PM -0700, Sarah Grimaldi wrote: > Hi William, > > I appreciate you sharing these links. Unfortunately, it is difficult for us > to get people to move from Canada :-) > > http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/mountain-view/engops/sre/unix-system-applications-engineer-google-com-mountain-view/ > > http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/mountain-view/swe/software-engineer-google-com-mountain-view/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 12 05:53:09 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 01:53:09 -0400 Subject: X messing about - Thinkpad t43 lost trackpad Message-ID: I possibly need to do a little more diagnosis... Rebooted the laptop for the first time in a while, and, when X restarted, it declined to recognize that I had a trackpad anymore. I keep packages more up to date than my reboots, so it's conceivable that: a) X.org has had a release that's getting confused [per /var/log/Xorg.0.log] X.Org X Server 1.9.5 Release Date: 2011-03-17 b) Newish kernel is ceasing to recognize the trackpad 2.6.32-5-686 FYI, I'm running Debian/wheezy/sid on the t43... Happily, my window manager came up fine (stumpwm), and it is keyboard-only :-). Graphical web browsers are quite a remarkable pain to control via keyboard, I must say. [Bit of information that might be germaine... http://foosel.org/linux/t43 http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T43] -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andrew.henriquez-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 12 14:21:27 2011 From: andrew.henriquez-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrew Henriquez) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:21:27 -0400 Subject: X messing about - Thinkpad t43 lost trackpad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just in case: " mouse pointer Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 2011-04-08 21:55. I just installed squeeze on a dell latitude D400 and have the same issue with my mouse pointer. however if I suspend the computer and turn it back on the pointer is back to normal.... i have know idea why this works.... " Source: http://www.linuxinsight.com/living-on-the-bleeding-edge-debian-wheezy-sid.html On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Christopher Browne wrote: > I possibly need to do a little more diagnosis... > > Rebooted the laptop for the first time in a while, and, when X > restarted, it declined to recognize that I had a trackpad anymore. > > I keep packages more up to date than my reboots, so it's conceivable that: > a) X.org has had a release that's getting confused > > [per /var/log/Xorg.0.log] > X.Org X Server 1.9.5 > Release Date: 2011-03-17 > > b) Newish kernel is ceasing to recognize the trackpad > 2.6.32-5-686 > > FYI, I'm running Debian/wheezy/sid on the t43... > > Happily, my window manager came up fine (stumpwm), and it is keyboard-only > :-). > > Graphical web browsers are quite a remarkable pain to control via > keyboard, I must say. > > [Bit of information that might be germaine... > http://foosel.org/linux/t43 > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T43] > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 12 15:54:45 2011 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:54:45 -0400 Subject: X messing about - Thinkpad t43 lost trackpad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12 April 2011 01:53, Christopher Browne wrote: > I possibly need to do a little more diagnosis... > > Rebooted the laptop for the first time in a while, and, when X > restarted, it declined to recognize that I had a trackpad anymore. > > I keep packages more up to date than my reboots, so it's conceivable that: > a) X.org has had a release that's getting confused > > [per /var/log/Xorg.0.log] > ?X.Org X Server 1.9.5 > ?Release Date: 2011-03-17 > > b) Newish kernel is ceasing to recognize the trackpad > ? ?2.6.32-5-686 > > FYI, I'm running Debian/wheezy/sid on the t43... > > Happily, my window manager came up fine (stumpwm), and it is keyboard-only :-). > > Graphical web browsers are quite a remarkable pain to control via > keyboard, I must say. Slightly OT, but perhaps useful, especially if you have to keep using the mouse-crippled system: I'm a huge fan of Vimperator and/or Pentadactyl. Vimperator arrived first, and essentially brings vim keybindings to Firefox (assuming, of course, you use FF ...). Pentadactyl is a fork of Vimperator as the primary maintainer of Vimperator seems to have alienated all his other devs while not making much progress on the product ... But: my experience has been that Pentadactyl works fine on Windows but tanks entirely on Linux systems, so I'm still using Vimperator on most of my boxes. Still, a wonderful plug-in for people who prefer tiling / mouse-free window managers (I use wmii on several machines), and like vim. I wonder if there's an Emacserator ... probably. (That's a rhetorical question people ...) -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 12 18:52:14 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:52:14 -0400 Subject: Jobs at Google (Re: Hello from Google) In-Reply-To: <20110411233917.GA18701-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110411211103.GA18006@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110411230143.GA18408@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110411233917.GA18701@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110412185214.GO347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 07:39:17PM -0400, William Park wrote: > Hi all, > Here are Google jobs that someone contacted me for. Yeah google does seem to send email to people occationally to try and find people to hire. I think I average one email a year for the last 5 or 6 years now. Nice to be wanted and all. And yes getting people to move to the US is a problem. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 12 19:05:26 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:05:26 -0400 Subject: Jobs at Google (Re: Hello from Google) In-Reply-To: <20110412185214.GO347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110411211103.GA18006@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110411230143.GA18408@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110411233917.GA18701@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110412185214.GO347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DA4A276.8040604@alteeve.com> On 04/12/2011 02:52 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 07:39:17PM -0400, William Park wrote: >> Hi all, >> Here are Google jobs that someone contacted me for. > > Yeah google does seem to send email to people occationally to try and > find people to hire. I think I average one email a year for the last > 5 or 6 years now. Nice to be wanted and all. > > And yes getting people to move to the US is a problem. :) It's like being offered a promotion if you take a job on the Titanic. ;) -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 12 20:13:07 2011 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:13:07 -0400 Subject: Jobs at Google (Re: Hello from Google) In-Reply-To: <4DA4A276.8040604-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110411211103.GA18006@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110411230143.GA18408@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110411233917.GA18701@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110412185214.GO347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DA4A276.8040604@alteeve.com> Message-ID: I'm totally going to steal that! :-D - FZ On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 15:05, Digimer wrote: >> And yes getting people to move to the US is a problem. :) > > It's like being offered a promotion if you take a job on the Titanic. > > ;) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 12 22:33:43 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:33:43 -0400 Subject: Another humble bundle is on Message-ID: <20110412223343.GP347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> humblebundle.com has another indie game bundle on. As usual the linux users are paying at least twice what the mac and windows users are paying of course. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 13 01:48:58 2011 From: solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (solarflow99) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 21:48:58 -0400 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: GTALUG Meeting Tues. 12 April 2011 at 7:30pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: did this actually take place? I went to GB248 and found nothing.. On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > Topic: Plan 9, a good guide to the future with Scott Sullivan > > Description > > Plan 9 was the Successor to Bell Labs Unix. This talk will > cover the history of the Operating System, where it is now > and where it is going. Most importantly, it will cover how > it is still influencing modern OS and Linux design and what > lessons Plan 9 still has to teach. > > Location > > Room GB248, Galbraith Building, University of Toronto > 35 St George St > Toronto, Ontario M5S 3G8 > University of Toronto > > http://osm.org/go/ZX6ByChVi- or http://goo.gl/maps/S1sL > > Schedule > > 6:00pm: There is a get together of GTALUGers at Pho 88 > restaurant at 270 Spadina Ave > (south of Dundas) for food and socializing. > 7:30pm: Meeting and presentation. > 9:00pm: After each meeting a group of GTALUGers move to > the GSU Pub for beer and more socializing. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 13 04:15:22 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:15:22 -0400 Subject: X messing about - Thinkpad t43 lost trackpad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Andrew Henriquez wrote: > Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 2011-04-08 21:55. > > I just installed squeeze on a dell latitude D400 and have the same issue > with my mouse pointer. however if I suspend the computer and turn it back on > the pointer is back to normal.... > i have know idea why this works.... Hmm. I don't seem to have a ready way to request that, sans pointer! It was suggested that I try plugging in a USB mouse; I did so, and it's recognized fine. There's another factor that I haven't *fully* controlled for, which is the keyboard. Initially, it isn't recognized, either. I tried plugging in a USB keyboard, which was, after a few seconds recognized, after which the "native" keyboard is also recognized fine. What I probably ought to test more is whether plugging in the USB keyboard *really* had an effect, or if it's more of a superstition, and it's just a matter of waiting a few seconds for X to recognize the built-in keyboard. I'm suspicious that it's something about xorg getting upgraded. There are a few recent packages installed related to xorg. Having mouse working helps when trying to search for the cause of the problem ;-). -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 13 12:58:14 2011 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (JOSE) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:58:14 -0400 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: GTALUG Meeting Tues. 12 April 2011 at 7:30pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DA59DE6.90207@totaltravelmarketing.com> On 12/04/2011 9:48 PM, solarflow99 wrote: > did this actually take place? I went to GB248 and found nothing.. > > > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Myles Braithwaite > > wrote: > > Topic: Plan 9, a good guide to the future with Scott Sullivan > > Description > > Plan 9 was the Successor to Bell Labs Unix. This talk will > cover the history of the Operating System, where it is now > and where it is going. Most importantly, it will cover how > it is still influencing modern OS and Linux design and what > lessons Plan 9 still has to teach. > > Location > > Room GB248, Galbraith Building, University of Toronto > 35 St George St > Toronto, Ontario M5S 3G8 > University of Toronto > > http://osm.org/go/ZX6ByChVi- or http://goo.gl/maps/S1sL > > Schedule > > 6:00pm: There is a get together of GTALUGers at Pho 88 > restaurant at 270 Spadina Ave > (south of Dundas) for food and socializing. > 7:30pm: Meeting and presentation. > 9:00pm: After each meeting a group of GTALUGers move to > the GSU Pub for beer and more socializing. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > I can't say from last night , because I didnt go, but it usually there all the time -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 13 14:54:09 2011 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:54:09 -0400 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: GTALUG Meeting Tues. 12 April 2011 at 7:30pm In-Reply-To: <4DA59DE6.90207-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <4DA59DE6.90207@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <4DA5B911.2040307@ss.org> There are times that students take precedence for the room we normally use. When this happens a symlink (sing) is post to direct attendees to the correct room for the night. This was the case last night. On 04/13/2011 08:58 AM, JOSE wrote: > On 12/04/2011 9:48 PM, solarflow99 wrote: >> did this actually take place? I went to GB248 and found nothing.. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Myles Braithwaite >> > wrote: >> >> Topic: Plan 9, a good guide to the future with Scott Sullivan >> >> Description >> >> Plan 9 was the Successor to Bell Labs Unix. This talk will >> cover the history of the Operating System, where it is now >> and where it is going. Most importantly, it will cover how >> it is still influencing modern OS and Linux design and what >> lessons Plan 9 still has to teach. >> >> Location >> >> Room GB248, Galbraith Building, University of Toronto >> 35 St George St >> Toronto, Ontario M5S 3G8 >> University of Toronto >> >> http://osm.org/go/ZX6ByChVi- or http://goo.gl/maps/S1sL >> >> Schedule >> >> 6:00pm: There is a get together of GTALUGers at Pho 88 >> restaurant at 270 Spadina Ave >> (south of Dundas) for food and socializing. >> 7:30pm: Meeting and presentation. >> 9:00pm: After each meeting a group of GTALUGers move to >> the GSU Pub for beer and more socializing. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> > > I can't say from last night , because I didnt go, but it usually > there all the time > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 13 15:32:47 2011 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:32:47 -0400 Subject: Another humble bundle is on In-Reply-To: <20110412223343.GP347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110412223343.GP347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DA5C21F.70604@ve3syb.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > humblebundle.com has another indie game bundle on. As usual the linux > users are paying at least twice what the mac and windows users are paying > of course. What is it that costs twice as much for the Linux version? What I see when I go to the site is that you are allowed to choose what to pay. If a Linux users chooses to pay twice as much that would be up to them. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 13 15:53:18 2011 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:53:18 -0400 Subject: Another humble bundle is on In-Reply-To: <4DA5C21F.70604-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20110412223343.GP347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DA5C21F.70604@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: I don't think Lennart is complaining that Linux users have to pay more, simply stating that Linux users are willing to pay more and it shows. I could be wrong, but that was my interpretation of the post. -jason On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> humblebundle.com has another indie game bundle on. As usual the linux >> users are paying at least twice what the mac and windows users are paying >> of course. >> > > What is it that costs twice as much for the Linux version? What I see when > I go to the site is that you are allowed to choose what to pay. If a Linux > users chooses to pay twice as much that would be up to them. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 13 15:58:30 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:58:30 -0400 Subject: Another humble bundle is on In-Reply-To: <4DA5C21F.70604-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20110412223343.GP347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DA5C21F.70604@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20110413155830.GA9746@yam.witteman.ca> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:32:47AM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: >Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>humblebundle.com has another indie game bundle on. As usual the linux >>users are paying at least twice what the mac and windows users are paying >>of course. > >What is it that costs twice as much for the Linux version? What I see >when I go to the site is that you are allowed to choose what to pay. >If a Linux users chooses to pay twice as much that would be up to >them. Yes, you pay what you wish. What Lennart notes is that in this case, as in the previous promotions, Linux users *value* this bundle more highly than people using other software. Linux users seem more generous/affluent - but a price signal is not disambiguating the reason for that signal. I know that I have paid more than many on both previous bundles because I can afford to and because I value the fact that these games work on Linux. I don't even play most of them, but I can send a message that writing games for Linux is valuable to me. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 13 16:57:54 2011 From: solarflow99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (solarflow99) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:57:54 -0400 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: GTALUG Meeting Tues. 12 April 2011 at 7:30pm In-Reply-To: <4DA5B911.2040307-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4DA59DE6.90207@totaltravelmarketing.com> <4DA5B911.2040307@ss.org> Message-ID: never saw any symlinks, signs or whatever, just 1 lone student in there and nothing around anywhere, On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Scott Sullivan wrote: > There are times that students take precedence for the room we normally use. > > When this happens a symlink (sing) is post to direct attendees to the > correct room for the night. > > This was the case last night. > > On 04/13/2011 08:58 AM, JOSE wrote: > >> On 12/04/2011 9:48 PM, solarflow99 wrote: >> >>> did this actually take place? I went to GB248 and found nothing.. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Myles Braithwaite >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Topic: Plan 9, a good guide to the future with Scott Sullivan >>> >>> Description >>> >>> Plan 9 was the Successor to Bell Labs Unix. This talk will >>> cover the history of the Operating System, where it is now >>> and where it is going. Most importantly, it will cover how >>> it is still influencing modern OS and Linux design and what >>> lessons Plan 9 still has to teach. >>> >>> Location >>> >>> Room GB248, Galbraith Building, University of Toronto >>> 35 St George St >>> Toronto, Ontario M5S 3G8 >>> University of Toronto >>> >>> http://osm.org/go/ZX6ByChVi- or http://goo.gl/maps/S1sL >>> >>> Schedule >>> >>> 6:00pm: There is a get together of GTALUGers at Pho 88 >>> restaurant at 270 Spadina Ave >>> (south of Dundas) for food and socializing. >>> 7:30pm: Meeting and presentation. >>> 9:00pm: After each meeting a group of GTALUGers move to >>> the GSU Pub for beer and more socializing. >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >>> >>> >> I can't say from last night , because I didnt go, but it usually there >> all the time >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 13 20:24:46 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:24:46 -0400 Subject: Another humble bundle is on In-Reply-To: <4DA5C21F.70604-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20110412223343.GP347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DA5C21F.70604@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20110413202446.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:32:47AM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: > What is it that costs twice as much for the Linux version? What I see > when I go to the site is that you are allowed to choose what to pay. If a > Linux users chooses to pay twice as much that would be up to them. No Linux users are choosing to pay twice as much on average as linux users. You get to pick your own price on humble bundles. In other words, given a choice, windows users are really cheap, mac users almost as cheap, and Linux users least cheap. On average. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 13 20:26:24 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:26:24 -0400 Subject: Another humble bundle is on In-Reply-To: <20110413155830.GA9746-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110412223343.GP347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DA5C21F.70604@ve3syb.ca> <20110413155830.GA9746@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20110413202624.GR347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:58:30AM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Yes, you pay what you wish. What Lennart notes is that in this case, as > in the previous promotions, Linux users *value* this bundle more highly > than people using other software. Linux users seem more > generous/affluent - but a price signal is not disambiguating the reason > for that signal. I know that I have paid more than many on both > previous bundles because I can afford to and because I value the fact > that these games work on Linux. I don't even play most of them, but I > can send a message that writing games for Linux is valuable to me. I think I payed $70 for bundle 2 (I missed hearing about bundle 1). I put in $35 this time. Some awesome games in there. I have played through probably half of the games in bundle 2 so far. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 13 21:04:41 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:04:41 -0400 Subject: Trine Message-ID: Hey Guys, Tried to use Trine, on ubuntu 10.10 x64 on my Laptop, and it aborted trying to run the launcher. Did anyone get this to work? This is regarding lennarts post of http://www.humblebundle.com/ -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 14 01:49:45 2011 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:49:45 -0400 Subject: Another humble bundle is on In-Reply-To: References: <20110412223343.GP347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DA5C21F.70604@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <4DA652B9.3020009@ve3syb.ca> Jason Shaw wrote: > I don't think Lennart is complaining that Linux users have to pay more, > simply stating that Linux users are willing to pay more and it shows. Right. Its not the first time I've run across an example of that. I don't remember what the other program was called but the *nix users were paying or donating proportinally more than people using other operating systems (such as Windows or Mac). Makes you wonder how many examples there are of this type of statistic. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 14 10:23:51 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 06:23:51 -0400 Subject: Another humble bundle is on In-Reply-To: <20110413202446.GQ347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110412223343.GP347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DA5C21F.70604@ve3syb.ca> <20110413202446.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 13 April 2011 16:24, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:32:47AM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: >> What is it that costs twice as much for the Linux version? What I see >> when I go to the site is that you are allowed to choose what to pay. If a >> Linux users chooses to pay twice as much that would be up to them. > > No Linux users are choosing to pay twice as much on average as linux > users. ?You get to pick your own price on humble bundles. Grammar is still making Lennart's response confusing. I think a comma is missing. It should probably be: "No, Linux users are choosing to pay twice as much on average as linux users." -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 14 10:29:31 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 06:29:31 -0400 Subject: Another humble bundle is on In-Reply-To: References: <20110412223343.GP347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DA5C21F.70604@ve3syb.ca> <20110413202446.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 14 April 2011 06:23, Scott Allen wrote: > Grammar is still making Lennart's response confusing. I think a comma > is missing. It should probably be: > "No, Linux users are choosing to pay twice as much on average as linux users." After re-reading it, I think there's also a missing "non": "No, Linux users are choosing to pay twice as much on average as non-linux users." -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 14 14:00:35 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 10:00:35 -0400 Subject: Another humble bundle is on In-Reply-To: <20110413202446.GQ347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110412223343.GP347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DA5C21F.70604@ve3syb.ca> <20110413202446.GQ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:32:47AM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: >> What is it that costs twice as much for the Linux version? What I see >> when I go to the site is that you are allowed to choose what to pay. If a >> Linux users chooses to pay twice as much that would be up to them. > > No Linux users are choosing to pay twice as much on average as linux > users. ?You get to pick your own price on humble bundles. > > In other words, given a choice, windows users are really cheap, mac > users almost as cheap, and Linux users least cheap. ?On average. :) > Well, I just bought the bundle, and without having any idea what other peope were paying, I went with $30 (equally distributed). When I saw at the end that people were paying on average about $5 each... Damn, that's cheap. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 14 14:47:19 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 10:47:19 -0400 Subject: Trine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110414144719.GS347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 05:04:41PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Tried to use Trine, on ubuntu 10.10 x64 on my Laptop, and it aborted trying > to run the launcher. > > Did anyone get this to work? This is regarding lennarts post of > http://www.humblebundle.com/ I downloaded the 64bit one, did 'chmod a+x Trine.64.run' and then ./Trine.64.run and it worked fine. Installed in my home dir by default which was OK for me. That's on debian unstable. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 15 19:52:07 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:52:07 -0400 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > Apparently openoffice.org is down, so it seems as though Oracle wants > to encourage migration to LibreOffice ;-). Very interesting... Oracle has announced intentions to somehow spin off OpenOffice.org. It's not at all obvious how this will interact with what has happened surrounding LibreOffice, though it's inconceivable that their intent hasn't been influenced by the actions of The Document Foundation. http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Oracle-Announces-Its-Intention-to-Move-OpenOfficeorg-to-a-Community-Based-Project-NASDAQ-ORCL-1428324.htm -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From self_same_self-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 15 21:58:45 2011 From: self_same_self-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sammy Lao) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:58:45 -0400 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's more probably that Oracle isn't seeing the numbers to justify trying to have a commercial version of Star Office. This is probably a good thing. (I hope!) On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: >> Apparently openoffice.org is down, so it seems as though Oracle wants >> to encourage migration to LibreOffice ;-). > > Very interesting... ?Oracle has announced intentions to somehow spin > off OpenOffice.org. ?It's not at all obvious how this will interact > with what has happened surrounding LibreOffice, though it's > inconceivable that their intent hasn't been influenced by the actions > of The Document Foundation. > > http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Oracle-Announces-Its-Intention-to-Move-OpenOfficeorg-to-a-Community-Based-Project-NASDAQ-ORCL-1428324.htm > -- > When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the > question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 15 23:27:40 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 19:27:40 -0400 Subject: Trine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hey Guys, > > Tried to use Trine, on ubuntu 10.10 x64 on my Laptop, and it aborted trying > to run the launcher. > > Did anyone get this to work? This is regarding lennarts post of > http://www.humblebundle.com/ > Works here also, though not so fast on my ancient P4 :-\ I second Ted's suggestion, see what the output from the shell says. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 16 17:32:44 2011 From: teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:32:44 -0400 Subject: pci scans Message-ID: <4DA9D2BC.107@gmail.com> What open source can I use for pci scans (or something equivalent so it passes a pci scan) Teddy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 16 17:36:48 2011 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:36:48 -0400 Subject: pci scans In-Reply-To: <4DA9D2BC.107-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DA9D2BC.107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110416173648.GA27100@watson-wilson.ca> Have you thought about using Cfengine to enforce compliance instead of passively evaluating? http://cfengine.com/compliance/pci?page=cfengine-and-pci You can achieve good results using the free version of Cfengine. Feel free to ask me any questions you like. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 16 18:24:00 2011 From: teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 14:24:00 -0400 Subject: pci scans In-Reply-To: <20110416173648.GA27100-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4DA9D2BC.107@gmail.com> <20110416173648.GA27100@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <4DA9DEC0.2010306@gmail.com> CENgine might be fine on boxes you control, but getting CFengine enabled and working on hundreds of different client servers of various flavours, with new servers all the time, CFEngine would not be practical. CFEngine+Puppet is on my todo list :) Teddy On 04/16/2011 01:36 PM, Neil Watson wrote: > Have you thought about using Cfengine to enforce compliance instead of > passively evaluating? > > http://cfengine.com/compliance/pci?page=cfengine-and-pci > > You can achieve good results using the free version of Cfengine. Feel > free to ask me any questions you like. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 16 20:21:51 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 16:21:51 -0400 Subject: pci scans In-Reply-To: <4DA9D2BC.107-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DA9D2BC.107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110416202150.GA5120@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 01:32:44PM -0400, teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > What open source can I use for pci scans (or something equivalent so it > passes a pci scan) I assume you mean "Payment Card Industry Data Security Standards" (PCI-DSS). I'm not sure about system/network vunerability stuffs. But, if it's for just checking credit card, then strings | grep comes to mind. Or, some variation, in script or in C. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 16 21:40:18 2011 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:40:18 -0400 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Who cares? Everybody left to work on LibreOffice anyway. http://www.libreoffice.org Oracle is slowly realizing they can't just take an open source project and do whatever they want. Good for us. - FZ On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 17:58, Sammy Lao wrote: > It's more probably that Oracle isn't seeing the numbers to justify > trying to have a commercial version of Star Office. > > This is probably a good thing. (I hope!) > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: >>> Apparently openoffice.org is down, so it seems as though Oracle wants >>> to encourage migration to LibreOffice ;-). >> >> Very interesting... ?Oracle has announced intentions to somehow spin >> off OpenOffice.org. ?It's not at all obvious how this will interact >> with what has happened surrounding LibreOffice, though it's >> inconceivable that their intent hasn't been influenced by the actions >> of The Document Foundation. >> >> http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Oracle-Announces-Its-Intention-to-Move-OpenOfficeorg-to-a-Community-Based-Project-NASDAQ-ORCL-1428324.htm >> -- >> When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the >> question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 16 22:02:22 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 18:02:22 -0400 Subject: Jobs at Google (Re: Hello from Google) In-Reply-To: <20110411233917.GA18701-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110411211103.GA18006@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110411230143.GA18408@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110411233917.GA18701@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4DAA11EE.6060000@gmail.com> On 11-04-11 07:39 PM, William Park wrote: > Hi all, > Here are Google jobs that someone contacted me for. as a software developer who wants to be 'on-call' duty? there are way too many great ops out there! sounds more like a sys-admin job than a System/Applications Engineer to me. i love the wear many hats and how they throw a laundry list of roles at you hoping to stroke the ego of a few. no serious developer would want to wear that many hats and be on call unless he was a co-founder of his own company! -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rajinderyadav -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 16 22:11:20 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 18:11:20 -0400 Subject: Jobs at Google (Re: Hello from Google) In-Reply-To: <20110412185214.GO347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110411211103.GA18006@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110411230143.GA18408@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110411233917.GA18701@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110412185214.GO347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DAA1408.6060907@gmail.com> On 11-04-12 02:52 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 07:39:17PM -0400, William Park wrote: >> Hi all, >> Here are Google jobs that someone contacted me for. > > Yeah google does seem to send email to people occationally to try and > find people to hire. I think I average one email a year for the last > 5 or 6 years now. Nice to be wanted and all. > > And yes getting people to move to the US is a problem. :) > i've been trying to find a job in san diego or cali for a while, contacting agents, etc. just to get away from this dam snow. no one cares to talk to you if you are not in the US, why is google having such as a hard time? my suspicion is more people just don't want to work for goggle! -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rajinderyadav -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 17 00:20:50 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:20:50 -0400 Subject: pci scans In-Reply-To: <4DA9DEC0.2010306-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DA9D2BC.107@gmail.com> <20110416173648.GA27100@watson-wilson.ca> <4DA9DEC0.2010306@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 2:24 PM, teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > CENgine might be fine on boxes you control, but getting CFengine enabled and > working on > hundreds of different client servers of various flavours, with new servers > all the time, > CFEngine would not be practical. > > CFEngine+Puppet is on my todo list :) How can you claim to comply with something if you have systems that aren't under your control? That seems likely to be a fatal compliance problem from the get-go. In any case, cfengine has, as one of its strengths, the ability to behave differently on each kind of server, so that it can (for instance) know that log files are in different places depending on platform. But back to the point, if the environment is so out of control that it would be impractical to run something like CFengine, I can't imagine that it is sufficiently under control to even imagine claiming compliance with something like PCI DSS. Although I guess it's no surprise that big consulting firms would be keen on writing up reports to make up a story supporting compliance; they could easily keep consultants billing $2K/day for months writing up policies. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 17 13:23:30 2011 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:23:30 -0400 Subject: pci scans In-Reply-To: References: <4DA9D2BC.107@gmail.com> <20110416173648.GA27100@watson-wilson.ca> <4DA9DEC0.2010306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110417132330.GA17213@watson-wilson.ca> I have a client who has over a thousand UNIX hosts of various flavours. When I started they were paying for audits and then manually fixing them. Naturally the hosts were out of control. I pitched Cfengine to them. They were afraid that having Cfengine automatically fix all hosts at the same time might be dangerous since they were not confident of their state. Instead, we created a Cfengine policy that wrote reports of what was out of compliance. The reports were then dealt with by hand. Over time with experience the client gained confidence about which parts of the policy could be made automatic. This continues to this day. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 17 16:25:50 2011 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:25:50 -0400 Subject: Jobs at Google (Re: Hello from Google) In-Reply-To: <4DAA1408.6060907-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110411211103.GA18006@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110411230143.GA18408@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110411233917.GA18701@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110412185214.GO347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DAA1408.6060907@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, most tech people I know would love to work for them, so I don't think that's the case. All things being equal, I wouldn't want to move to the US. Actually I know quite a few americans that moved to Canada and are doing everything they can to stay. Things are quite bad down south and don't look like they're going to get better any time soon. - FZ On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 18:11, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > On 11-04-12 02:52 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 07:39:17PM -0400, William Park wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> Here are Google jobs that someone contacted me for. >> >> Yeah google does seem to send email to people occationally to try and >> find people to hire. ?I think I average one email a year for the last >> 5 or 6 years now. ?Nice to be wanted and all. >> >> And yes getting people to move to the US is a problem. :) >> > > i've been trying to find a job in san diego or cali for a while, contacting > agents, etc. just to get away from this dam snow. no one cares to talk to > you if you are not in the US, why is google having such as a hard time? my > suspicion is more people just don't want to work for goggle! > > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely > > http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rajinderyadav > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 17 17:22:05 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell reiter) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:22:05 -0400 Subject: Android Phones - help with usb_modeswitch Message-ID: I saw that some people on this list are using Android phones. I have a Huawei u8100 Android Phone which I'm quite happy with, my cell provider has good customer service. While by default the device is found as a cdrom drive, I cannot access the GSM modem under Debian squeeze - #uname -r 2.6.32-5-686 . I think part of the problem is that while #lsusb|grep 12d1 shows Bus 002 Device 002: ID 12d1:1035 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. #udevadm info --attribute-walk --name=/dev/bus/usb/002/002 does not return ATTR{serial} information. looking at device '/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb2/2-5': KERNEL=="2-5" SUBSYSTEM=="usb" DRIVER=="usb" ATTR{configuration}=="" ATTR{bNumInterfaces}==" 6" ATTR{bConfigurationValue}=="1" ATTR{bmAttributes}=="a0" ATTR{bMaxPower}=="500mA" ATTR{urbnum}=="4770" ATTR{idVendor}=="12d1" ATTR{idProduct}=="1035" ATTR{bcdDevice}=="0100" ATTR{bDeviceClass}=="00" ATTR{bDeviceSubClass}=="00" ATTR{bDeviceProtocol}=="00" in advance ATTR{bNumConfigurations}=="1" ATTR{bMaxPacketSize0}=="64" ATTR{speed}=="480" ATTR{busnum}=="2" ATTR{devnum}=="2" ATTR{version}==" 2.00" ATTR{maxchild}=="0" ATTR{quirks}=="0x0" ATTR{authorized}=="1" ATTR{manufacturer}=="Huawei Incorporated" ATTR{product}=="Android Mobile Adapter" I have tried applying the serial attribute returned by the parent but that has not worked in my udev rules. Nor can eclipse adb locate the device. Right now I'm trying to get usb_modeswitch to work, mostly by peek and poke, but I'm not having much success. Is there anybody on the list who is using a Huawei device who has the modem working who could provide me with some clues on configuring this device. Thanks in advance Russell -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 17 18:01:12 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:01:12 -0400 Subject: Android Phones - help with usb_modeswitch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DAB2AE8.7040802@rogers.com> Russell reiter wrote: > I saw that some people on this list are using Android phones. I have a > Huawei u8100 Android Phone which I'm quite happy with, my cell > provider has good customer service. > > While by default the device is found as a cdrom drive, I cannot access > the GSM modem under Debian squeeze - #uname -r 2.6.32-5-686 . > I have a Google Nexus One. The phone appears, in openSUSE, as a flash drive, not CD-ROM. I can read and write with it, as I would any other USB drive. Also, this phone provides an IP connection. I don't recall anything about a GSM modem. Is that service still supported by the carriers? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 17 18:22:37 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell reiter) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:22:37 -0400 Subject: Android Phones - help with usb_modeswitch In-Reply-To: <4DAB2AE8.7040802-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DAB2AE8.7040802@rogers.com> Message-ID: I guess stuff gets related to being "legacy" pretty quickly these days, but still my phone can drop into GSM 2G. 2G Network GSM 900 / 1800 / 1900 3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100 When I plug my phone in, I have to mount the sim card directly from the phone. This after it senses it has been connected by usb to a computer. It then mounts the sim card and places an icon on the desktop. Seems to be a TR glitch in the parser as it labels the device with some broken html code. wrote: > Russell reiter wrote: >> >> I saw that some people on this list are using Android phones. I have a >> Huawei u8100 Android Phone which I'm quite happy with, my cell >> provider has good customer service. >> >> While by default the device is found as a cdrom drive, I cannot access >> the GSM modem under Debian squeeze - #uname -r 2.6.32-5-686 . >> > > I have a Google Nexus One. ?The phone appears, in openSUSE, as a flash > drive, not CD-ROM. ?I can read and write with it, as I would any other USB > drive. ?Also, this phone provides an IP connection. ?I don't recall anything > about a GSM modem. ?Is that service still supported by the carriers? > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 17 19:11:22 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:11:22 -0400 Subject: Android Phones - help with usb_modeswitch In-Reply-To: References: <4DAB2AE8.7040802@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DAB3B5A.9040700@rogers.com> Russell reiter wrote: > I guess stuff gets related to being "legacy" pretty quickly these > days, but still my phone can drop into GSM 2G. > > 2G doesn't necessarily mean modem emulation. It's simply less bandwidth that can still be used for IP. That modem service required the carrier to convert the data to standard modem tones, before placing it on the POTS network. My previous phone a Motorola V180 could be used as a modem, provided I paid for the service. I don't think that service is currently available. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 17 20:25:33 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell reiter) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:25:33 -0400 Subject: Android Phones - help with usb_modeswitch In-Reply-To: <4DAB3B5A.9040700-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DAB2AE8.7040802@rogers.com> <4DAB3B5A.9040700@rogers.com> Message-ID: Right, 2G = 2 gigahertz. My phone does mode switching automatically under MS. I am able to use the modem on that platform. For $40.00 a month I get free Canada wide calls, texts and a few other features as well as so called unlimited band-with. In this case they mean they don't throttle the connection til you hit 5 gig of transfers. I used the term GSM to refer to any modem that supports one or more of the protocols in the GSM evolutionary family, including the 2.5G technologies GPRS and EDGE, as well as the 3G technologies WCDMA, UMTS, HSDPA and HSUPA. (Most of that sentence comes from a reference website ;-) I thought I'd try to access the modem on my phone using Debian, just for fun. I confess to finding udev a little frustrating, but I don't necessarily find it a problem. My SYSFS problems and resolving parent child relationships are, in my mind translational problems. You'd think I'd be able to just get the OS to ignore the reported file system. Once the device is booted, the modem is always on right? I just have to figure out how to prod the mode to switch from storage to stream or block to character or whatever. Nautilus is ok as a file manager, it just tries to mount everything that gets connected to it and I can't figure out the proper sequence to send to correct that problem. I use linux because I always feel like I learn something, not just how to do something. On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 3:11 PM, James Knott wrote: > Russell reiter wrote: >> >> I guess stuff gets related to being "legacy" pretty quickly these >> days, but still my phone can drop into GSM 2G. >> >> > > 2G doesn't necessarily mean modem emulation. ?It's simply less bandwidth > that can still be used for IP. ?That modem service required the carrier to > convert the data to standard modem tones, before placing it on the POTS > network. ?My previous phone a Motorola V180 could be used as a modem, > provided I paid for the service. ?I don't think that service is currently > available. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 17 21:05:37 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:05:37 -0400 Subject: Android Phones - help with usb_modeswitch In-Reply-To: References: <4DAB2AE8.7040802@rogers.com> <4DAB3B5A.9040700@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4DAB5621.3090409@rogers.com> Russell reiter wrote: > Right, 2G = 2 gigahertz Wrong 2G = 2nd generation. There are a variety of bands used by the various carriers. Data is not limited to any one of them. The first generation (1G) phones were analog. The 2nd generation phones (2G) used digital communication for voice. Smart phones are 3G and soon 4G. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2G -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 17 21:07:11 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell reiter) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:07:11 -0400 Subject: Android Phones - help with usb_modeswitch In-Reply-To: <4DAB5621.3090409-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DAB2AE8.7040802@rogers.com> <4DAB3B5A.9040700@rogers.com> <4DAB5621.3090409@rogers.com> Message-ID: See, you learn something new every day. On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 5:05 PM, James Knott wrote: > Russell reiter wrote: >> >> Right, 2G = 2 gigahertz > > Wrong 2G = 2nd generation. ?There are a variety of bands used by the various > carriers. ?Data is not limited to any one of them. ?The first generation > (1G) phones were analog. ?The 2nd generation phones (2G) used digital > communication for voice. ?Smart phones are 3G and soon 4G. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2G > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 17 21:16:49 2011 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <611391.25556.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Is it a mistake or can it be a hickup? I didn't have any problem to download OO from http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/stable/3.3.0/OOo_3.3.0_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz EK --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Fabio FZero wrote: > From: Fabio FZero > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: openoffice is dead? > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 5:40 PM > Who cares? Everybody left to work on > LibreOffice anyway. > http://www.libreoffice.org > > Oracle is slowly realizing they can't just take an open > source project > and do whatever they want. Good for us. > > - FZ > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 17:58, Sammy Lao > wrote: > > It's more probably that Oracle isn't seeing the > numbers to justify > > trying to have a commercial version of Star Office. > > > > This is probably a good thing. (I hope!) > > > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Christopher Browne > > wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Christopher > Browne > wrote: > >>> Apparently openoffice.org is down, so it seems > as though Oracle wants > >>> to encourage migration to LibreOffice ;-). > >> > >> Very interesting... ?Oracle has announced > intentions to somehow spin > >> off OpenOffice.org. ?It's not at all obvious how > this will interact > >> with what has happened surrounding LibreOffice, > though it's > >> inconceivable that their intent hasn't been > influenced by the actions > >> of The Document Foundation. > >> > >> http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Oracle-Announces-Its-Intention-to-Move-OpenOfficeorg-to-a-Community-Based-Project-NASDAQ-ORCL-1428324.htm > >> -- > >> When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it > by reducing it to the > >> question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle > this?" > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: > http://gtalug.org/ > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > >> > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below > 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 17 21:21:18 2011 From: instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (aaron d) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:21:18 -0400 Subject: Android Phones - help with usb_modeswitch In-Reply-To: References: <4DAB2AE8.7040802@rogers.com> <4DAB3B5A.9040700@rogers.com> Message-ID: I have a hard time understanding you. Sometimes because I have no clue what you are talking about (in the sense that the discussion is possibly over my head), and other times, because Im certain you are as confused as I am 2G != 2 Gigahertz, it means 2nd Generation. Im fairly certain you arent mounting your "sim card", when you connect the phone via USb, but rather, the internal storage and/or sd storage available to the phone. Looking closer at what you want to accomplish, I _think_ you are talking about USB tethering. On this I could be wrong, but this cannot be accomplished by changing the way the PC sees the phone, it should be the other way around. It sees the phone as addressable storage because that's what the phone reports itself as via the usb controller. I have a Nexus S, and, although I have never used it, it has an option for USB tethering, that must be enabled. I can also accomplish the same task over wi-fi (phone acts as a portable hotspot). Try looking for these options on your phone, the usb tethering option specifically should be what you want (I cant say 100%, since I cant test this myself at this time). -aaron On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Russell reiter wrote: > Right, 2G = 2 gigahertz. My phone does mode switching automatically > under MS. I am able to use the modem on that platform. For $40.00 a > month I get free Canada wide calls, texts and a few other features as > well as so called unlimited band-with. In this case they mean they > don't throttle the connection til you hit 5 gig of transfers. > > I used the term GSM to refer to any modem that supports one or more > of the protocols in the GSM evolutionary family, including the 2.5G > technologies GPRS and EDGE, as well as the 3G technologies WCDMA, > UMTS, HSDPA and HSUPA. (Most of that sentence comes from a reference > website ;-) > > I thought I'd try to access the modem on my phone using Debian, just for > fun. > > I confess to finding udev a little frustrating, but I don't > necessarily find it a problem. My SYSFS problems and resolving parent > child relationships are, in my mind translational problems. You'd > think I'd be able to just get the OS to ignore the reported file > system. Once the device is booted, the modem is always on right? I > just have to figure out how to prod the mode to switch from storage to > stream or block to character or whatever. > > Nautilus is ok as a file manager, it just tries to mount everything > that gets connected to it and I can't figure out the proper sequence > to send to correct that problem. > > I use linux because I always feel like I learn something, not just how > to do something. > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 3:11 PM, James Knott > wrote: > > Russell reiter wrote: > >> > >> I guess stuff gets related to being "legacy" pretty quickly these > >> days, but still my phone can drop into GSM 2G. > >> > >> > > > > 2G doesn't necessarily mean modem emulation. It's simply less bandwidth > > that can still be used for IP. That modem service required the carrier > to > > convert the data to standard modem tones, before placing it on the POTS > > network. My previous phone a Motorola V180 could be used as a modem, > > provided I paid for the service. I don't think that service is currently > > available. > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 17 22:45:20 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell reiter) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:45:20 -0400 Subject: Android Phones - help with usb_modeswitch In-Reply-To: References: <4DAB2AE8.7040802@rogers.com> <4DAB3B5A.9040700@rogers.com> Message-ID: You're right on both accounts. Sometimes especially I can't understand what I'm talking about. I think I'm trying to figure out how to resolve an issue between kernel-space and user-space on my computer. It's my understanding that it is the sim card on my phone which is being mounted as a virtual CD. My phone is not rooted so I think any MS programs which auto-runs would be on a very small file system on the internal storage medium. Using MS, that file system is then mounted as a virtual CD and auto-run takes over at mount time to do the mode switching. This gives me the choice between using the "sim card" file system for file transfer or accessing the internal modem stream. In both case the device is tethered. Five pins, I think. In one mode case the computer would be tethered to a block device and in the other, to a character device. I assume serial TTY. So why my modem device doesn't return udevadm ATTR{serial} info is confusing. However that lack of information hints at a simple solution. In this case however my default Nautilus system mounts the phone tether as a block device. I want to switch to a character device. Not even that. I want to un-mount the device and get out of the way of the character stream so I can refer to it as a TTY device. (Which seems kind of weird to me, but that's user-space for you.) The fact that Nautilus calls out to and then mounts the phones "exported" file system and then can't grep and name the system properly for the system GUI, hints at a either a simple XML TRanslation problem or something deeper which might not be solved with either udev or usb_modeswitch, which are both user space solutions. Maybe my kernel GSM modem firmware descriptions are incomplete or maybe I'm missing something simple in udev modem switching. Android is Linux so I know its got to be simple, KISS right? I always was a lousy speller. On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 5:21 PM, aaron d wrote: > I have a hard time understanding you. Sometimes because I have no clue what > you are talking about (in the sense that the discussion is possibly over my > head), and other times, because Im certain you are as confused as I am > 2G != 2 Gigahertz, it means 2nd Generation. > Im fairly certain you arent mounting your "sim card", when you connect the > phone via USb, but rather, the internal storage and/or sd storage available > to the phone. > Looking closer at what you want to accomplish, I _think_ you are talking > about USB tethering. On this I could be wrong, but this cannot be > accomplished by changing the way the PC sees the phone, it should be the > other way around. It sees the phone as addressable storage because that's > what the phone reports itself as via the usb controller. > I have a Nexus S, and, although I have never used it, it has an option for > USB tethering, that must be enabled. I can also accomplish the same task > over wi-fi (phone acts as a portable hotspot). > Try looking for these options on your phone, the usb tethering option > specifically should be what you want (I cant say 100%, since I cant test > this myself at this time). > > -aaron > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Russell reiter wrote: >> >> Right, 2G = 2 gigahertz. My phone does mode switching automatically >> under MS. I am able to use the modem on that platform. For $40.00 a >> month I get free Canada wide calls, texts and a few other features as >> well as so called unlimited band-with. In this case they mean they >> don't throttle the connection til you hit 5 gig of transfers. >> >> I used the term GSM ?to refer to any modem that supports one or more >> of the protocols in the GSM evolutionary family, including the 2.5G >> technologies GPRS and EDGE, as well as the 3G technologies WCDMA, >> UMTS, HSDPA and HSUPA. (Most of that sentence comes from a reference >> website ;-) >> >> I thought I'd try to access the modem on my phone using Debian, just for >> fun. >> >> I confess to finding udev a little frustrating, but I don't >> necessarily find it a problem. My SYSFS problems and resolving parent >> child relationships are, in my mind translational problems. You'd >> think I'd be able to just get the OS to ignore the reported file >> system. Once the device is booted, the modem is always on right? I >> just have to figure out how to prod the mode to switch from storage to >> stream or block to character or whatever. >> >> Nautilus is ok as a file manager, it just tries to mount everything >> that gets connected to it and I can't figure out the proper sequence >> to send to correct that problem. >> >> I use linux because I always feel like I learn something, not just how >> to do something. >> >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 3:11 PM, James Knott >> wrote: >> > Russell reiter wrote: >> >> >> >> I guess stuff gets related to being "legacy" pretty quickly these >> >> days, but still my phone can drop into GSM 2G. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > 2G doesn't necessarily mean modem emulation. ?It's simply less bandwidth >> > that can still be used for IP. ?That modem service required the carrier >> > to >> > convert the data to standard modem tones, before placing it on the POTS >> > network. ?My previous phone a Motorola V180 could be used as a modem, >> > provided I paid for the service. ?I don't think that service is >> > currently >> > available. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 17 23:44:12 2011 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:44:12 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core Message-ID: <20110417194412.d41dfe49.hgibson@eol.ca> I have just installed Fedora Core_14 on a new laptop. Is there any way top launch the package manager, and tell Yum to install everything? I am tired of clicking on each and every package that I want. I have a 500GB drive on this thing. I don't care about space, yet. :) -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 18 00:00:07 2011 From: instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (aaron d) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 20:00:07 -0400 Subject: Android Phones - help with usb_modeswitch In-Reply-To: References: <4DAB2AE8.7040802@rogers.com> <4DAB3B5A.9040700@rogers.com> Message-ID: I'm sure you have searched around a bit so I'm not sure how much help I can be, but I did find this: http://www.windmobile.ca/community/ideas/detail/30173/ seems this works flawlessly for windows users (surprise surprise) but you aren't the only one dealing with this under nix. I also assume wind is your carrier since you mentioned the "unlimited" data plan. Hope you get it figured out. Aaron On Apr 17, 2011 6:45 PM, "Russell reiter" wrote: > You're right on both accounts. Sometimes especially I can't understand > what I'm talking about. I think I'm trying to figure out how to > resolve an issue between kernel-space and user-space on my computer. > > It's my understanding that it is the sim card on my phone which is > being mounted as a virtual CD. My phone is not rooted so I think any > MS programs which auto-runs would be on a very small file system on > the internal storage medium. Using MS, that file system is then > mounted as a virtual CD and auto-run takes over at mount time to do > the mode switching. This gives me the choice between using the "sim > card" file system for file transfer or accessing the internal modem > stream. In both case the device is tethered. Five pins, I think. > > In one mode case the computer would be tethered to a block device and > in the other, to a character device. I assume serial TTY. So why my > modem device doesn't return udevadm ATTR{serial} info is confusing. > However that lack of information hints at a simple solution. > > In this case however my default Nautilus system mounts the phone > tether as a block device. I want to switch to a character device. Not > even that. I want to un-mount the device and get out of the way of the > character stream so I can refer to it as a TTY device. (Which seems > kind of weird to me, but that's user-space for you.) The fact that > Nautilus calls out to and then mounts the phones "exported" file > system and then can't grep and name the system properly for the system > GUI, hints at a either a simple XML TRanslation problem or something > deeper which might not be solved with either udev or usb_modeswitch, > which are both user space solutions. Maybe my kernel GSM modem > firmware descriptions are incomplete or maybe I'm missing something > simple in udev modem switching. > > Android is Linux so I know its got to be simple, KISS right? > > I always was a lousy speller. > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 5:21 PM, aaron d wrote: >> I have a hard time understanding you. Sometimes because I have no clue what >> you are talking about (in the sense that the discussion is possibly over my >> head), and other times, because Im certain you are as confused as I am >> 2G != 2 Gigahertz, it means 2nd Generation. >> Im fairly certain you arent mounting your "sim card", when you connect the >> phone via USb, but rather, the internal storage and/or sd storage available >> to the phone. >> Looking closer at what you want to accomplish, I _think_ you are talking >> about USB tethering. On this I could be wrong, but this cannot be >> accomplished by changing the way the PC sees the phone, it should be the >> other way around. It sees the phone as addressable storage because that's >> what the phone reports itself as via the usb controller. >> I have a Nexus S, and, although I have never used it, it has an option for >> USB tethering, that must be enabled. I can also accomplish the same task >> over wi-fi (phone acts as a portable hotspot). >> Try looking for these options on your phone, the usb tethering option >> specifically should be what you want (I cant say 100%, since I cant test >> this myself at this time). >> >> -aaron >> >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Russell reiter wrote: >>> >>> Right, 2G = 2 gigahertz. My phone does mode switching automatically >>> under MS. I am able to use the modem on that platform. For $40.00 a >>> month I get free Canada wide calls, texts and a few other features as >>> well as so called unlimited band-with. In this case they mean they >>> don't throttle the connection til you hit 5 gig of transfers. >>> >>> I used the term GSM to refer to any modem that supports one or more >>> of the protocols in the GSM evolutionary family, including the 2.5G >>> technologies GPRS and EDGE, as well as the 3G technologies WCDMA, >>> UMTS, HSDPA and HSUPA. (Most of that sentence comes from a reference >>> website ;-) >>> >>> I thought I'd try to access the modem on my phone using Debian, just for >>> fun. >>> >>> I confess to finding udev a little frustrating, but I don't >>> necessarily find it a problem. My SYSFS problems and resolving parent >>> child relationships are, in my mind translational problems. You'd >>> think I'd be able to just get the OS to ignore the reported file >>> system. Once the device is booted, the modem is always on right? I >>> just have to figure out how to prod the mode to switch from storage to >>> stream or block to character or whatever. >>> >>> Nautilus is ok as a file manager, it just tries to mount everything >>> that gets connected to it and I can't figure out the proper sequence >>> to send to correct that problem. >>> >>> I use linux because I always feel like I learn something, not just how >>> to do something. >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 3:11 PM, James Knott >>> wrote: >>> > Russell reiter wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I guess stuff gets related to being "legacy" pretty quickly these >>> >> days, but still my phone can drop into GSM 2G. >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > 2G doesn't necessarily mean modem emulation. It's simply less bandwidth >>> > that can still be used for IP. That modem service required the carrier >>> > to >>> > convert the data to standard modem tones, before placing it on the POTS >>> > network. My previous phone a Motorola V180 could be used as a modem, >>> > provided I paid for the service. I don't think that service is >>> > currently >>> > available. >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> > >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't care about space, yet. :) > > -- > Howard Gibson > hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org > howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org > http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 18 01:31:22 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:31:22 -0400 Subject: Stress testing your machine -- what program? Message-ID: <20110418013121.GA8571@node1.opengeometry.net> Hi all, On Windows7, there is "Windows Experience Index" under "System Properties" which does some benchmarking of cpu, memory, video, and hd. Probably not very accurate, but it does tell you which sub-system is bottleneck and needs upgrading. Is there something similar in Linux, say in KDE or Gnome, or even standalone program? -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 18 01:31:34 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell reiter) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:31:34 -0400 Subject: Android Phones - help with usb_modeswitch In-Reply-To: References: <4DAB2AE8.7040802@rogers.com> <4DAB3B5A.9040700@rogers.com> Message-ID: Your right wind is my carrier. I'm pretty happy with their customer service. The phone hardware is a bit dodgy but that's half the fun. Making the most out of the least. On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 8:00 PM, aaron d wrote: > I'm sure you have searched around a bit so I'm not sure how much help I can > be, but I did find this: > http://www.windmobile.ca/community/ideas/detail/30173/ > seems this works flawlessly for windows users (surprise surprise) but you > aren't the only one dealing with this under nix. I also assume wind is your > carrier since you mentioned the "unlimited" data plan. > > Hope you get it figured out. > > Aaron > > On Apr 17, 2011 6:45 PM, "Russell reiter" wrote: >> You're right on both accounts. Sometimes especially I can't understand >> what I'm talking about. I think I'm trying to figure out how to >> resolve an issue between kernel-space and user-space on my computer. >> >> It's my understanding that it is the sim card on my phone which is >> being mounted as a virtual CD. My phone is not rooted so I think any >> MS programs which auto-runs would be on a very small file system on >> the internal storage medium. Using MS, that file system is then >> mounted as a virtual CD and auto-run takes over at mount time to do >> the mode switching. This gives me the choice between using the "sim >> card" file system for file transfer or accessing the internal modem >> stream. In both case the device is tethered. Five pins, I think. >> >> In one mode case the computer would be tethered to a block device and >> in the other, to a character device. I assume serial TTY. So why my >> modem device doesn't return udevadm ATTR{serial} info is confusing. >> However that lack of information hints at a simple solution. >> >> In this case however my default Nautilus system mounts the phone >> tether as a block device. I want to switch to a character device. Not >> even that. I want to un-mount the device and get out of the way of the >> character stream so I can refer to it as a TTY device. (Which seems >> kind of weird to me, but that's user-space for you.) The fact that >> Nautilus calls out to and then mounts the phones "exported" file >> system and then can't grep and name the system properly for the system >> GUI, hints at a either a simple XML TRanslation problem or something >> deeper which might not be solved with either udev or usb_modeswitch, >> which are both user space solutions. Maybe my kernel GSM modem >> firmware descriptions are incomplete or maybe I'm missing something >> simple in udev modem switching. >> >> Android is Linux so I know its got to be simple, KISS right? >> >> I always was a lousy speller. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 5:21 PM, aaron d wrote: >>> I have a hard time understanding you. Sometimes because I have no clue >>> what >>> you are talking about (in the sense that the discussion is possibly over >>> my >>> head), and other times, because Im certain you are as confused as I am >>> 2G != 2 Gigahertz, it means 2nd Generation. >>> Im fairly certain you arent mounting your "sim card", when you connect >>> the >>> phone via USb, but rather, the internal storage and/or sd storage >>> available >>> to the phone. >>> Looking closer at what you want to accomplish, I _think_ you are talking >>> about USB tethering. On this I could be wrong, but this cannot be >>> accomplished by changing the way the PC sees the phone, it should be the >>> other way around. It sees the phone as addressable storage because that's >>> what the phone reports itself as via the usb controller. >>> I have a Nexus S, and, although I have never used it, it has an option >>> for >>> USB tethering, that must be enabled. I can also accomplish the same task >>> over wi-fi (phone acts as a portable hotspot). >>> Try looking for these options on your phone, the usb tethering option >>> specifically should be what you want (I cant say 100%, since I cant test >>> this myself at this time). >>> >>> -aaron >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Russell reiter >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Right, 2G = 2 gigahertz. My phone does mode switching automatically >>>> under MS. I am able to use the modem on that platform. For $40.00 a >>>> month I get free Canada wide calls, texts and a few other features as >>>> well as so called unlimited band-with. In this case they mean they >>>> don't throttle the connection til you hit 5 gig of transfers. >>>> >>>> I used the term GSM ?to refer to any modem that supports one or more >>>> of the protocols in the GSM evolutionary family, including the 2.5G >>>> technologies GPRS and EDGE, as well as the 3G technologies WCDMA, >>>> UMTS, HSDPA and HSUPA. (Most of that sentence comes from a reference >>>> website ;-) >>>> >>>> I thought I'd try to access the modem on my phone using Debian, just for >>>> fun. >>>> >>>> I confess to finding udev a little frustrating, but I don't >>>> necessarily find it a problem. My SYSFS problems and resolving parent >>>> child relationships are, in my mind translational problems. You'd >>>> think I'd be able to just get the OS to ignore the reported file >>>> system. Once the device is booted, the modem is always on right? I >>>> just have to figure out how to prod the mode to switch from storage to >>>> stream or block to character or whatever. >>>> >>>> Nautilus is ok as a file manager, it just tries to mount everything >>>> that gets connected to it and I can't figure out the proper sequence >>>> to send to correct that problem. >>>> >>>> I use linux because I always feel like I learn something, not just how >>>> to do something. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 3:11 PM, James Knott >>>> wrote: >>>> > Russell reiter wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> I guess stuff gets related to being "legacy" pretty quickly these >>>> >> days, but still my phone can drop into GSM 2G. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > 2G doesn't necessarily mean modem emulation. ?It's simply less >>>> > bandwidth >>>> > that can still be used for IP. ?That modem service required the >>>> > carrier >>>> > to >>>> > convert the data to standard modem tones, before placing it on the >>>> > POTS >>>> > network. ?My previous phone a Motorola V180 could be used as a modem, >>>> > provided I paid for the service. ?I don't think that service is >>>> > currently >>>> > available. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>> > >>>> -- >>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >>> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 18 02:04:54 2011 From: avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Volkov) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 22:04:54 -0400 Subject: Linux for non-technical people. Message-ID: <4DAB9C46.1040807@gmail.com> Hello, I have tried and true question on how to introduce non-technical people to Linux. A friend of mine runs a CentOS VPS server that's been shipped with cPanel that he uses, and it seems like a rather horrible piece of software -- all its added value consists of sparing the user command line access, and judging by the resulting configuration settings, I'd say it does a piss poor job at that. So he needs to run a LAMP stack (apache, mysql, php and nothing fancier), and I've been thinking of just showing how to use text editor like nano (my apologies to Sacha Chua), show some examples for common config files such as virtual hosts, init scripts and logging. I'm wondering is there a some sort of tutorial out there that would cover basics, allow an computer hobbyist to do practical things without delving too much into linux underpinnings. On a not completely unrelated note, why CentOS people don't package NSD3 server? Alex. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 18 02:09:19 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 22:09:19 -0400 Subject: Linux for non-technical people. In-Reply-To: <4DAB9C46.1040807-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DAB9C46.1040807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DAB9D4F.8000305@rogers.com> On 11-04-17 10:04 PM, Alex Volkov wrote: > So he needs to run a LAMP stack (apache, mysql, php and nothing > fancier), and I've been thinking of just showing how to use text > editor like nano (my apologies to Sacha Chua), show some examples for > common config files such as virtual hosts, init scripts and logging. > > I'm wondering is there a some sort of tutorial out there that would > cover basics, allow an computer hobbyist to do practical things > without delving too much into linux underpinnings. > I have been very happy with sitepoint.com. Books, forums and tutorials. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From self_same_self-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 18 12:56:01 2011 From: self_same_self-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sammy Lao) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:56:01 -0400 Subject: openoffice is dead? In-Reply-To: <611391.25556.qm-ER3pdbdKwIL5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <611391.25556.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Big article on Ars Technica on it right now. http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/04/oracle-gives-up-on-ooo-after-community-forks-the-project.ars On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 5:16 PM, E K wrote: > Is it a mistake or can it be a hickup? I didn't have any problem to download OO from > > http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/stable/3.3.0/OOo_3.3.0_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz > > > EK > > --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Fabio FZero wrote: > >> From: Fabio FZero >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: openoffice is dead? >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> Received: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 5:40 PM >> Who cares? Everybody left to work on >> LibreOffice anyway. >> http://www.libreoffice.org >> >> Oracle is slowly realizing they can't just take an open >> source project >> and do whatever they want. Good for us. >> >> - FZ >> >> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 17:58, Sammy Lao >> wrote: >> > It's more probably that Oracle isn't seeing the >> numbers to justify >> > trying to have a commercial version of Star Office. >> > >> > This is probably a good thing. (I hope!) >> > >> > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Christopher Browne >> >> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Christopher >> Browne >> wrote: >> >>> Apparently openoffice.org is down, so it seems >> as though Oracle wants >> >>> to encourage migration to LibreOffice ;-). >> >> >> >> Very interesting... ?Oracle has announced >> intentions to somehow spin >> >> off OpenOffice.org. ?It's not at all obvious how >> this will interact >> >> with what has happened surrounding LibreOffice, >> though it's >> >> inconceivable that their intent hasn't been >> influenced by the actions >> >> of The Document Foundation. >> >> >> >> http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Oracle-Announces-Its-Intention-to-Move-OpenOfficeorg-to-a-Community-Based-Project-NASDAQ-ORCL-1428324.htm >> >> -- >> >> When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it >> by reducing it to the >> >> question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle >> this?" >> >> -- >> >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: >> http://gtalug.org/ >> >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text >> below 80 columns >> >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> >> > -- >> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below >> 80 columns >> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. >> Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 >> columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 18 16:24:07 2011 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Stress testing your machine -- what program? In-Reply-To: <20110418013121.GA8571-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110418013121.GA8571@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <599573.51024.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi, I was going to joke "Go to Flash web sites with Firefox" but I'll also leave these links: http://www.opensourcetesting.org/performance.php http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2008/07/opensource-performance-testing-tools.html http://lbs.sourceforge.net/ http://www.testingfaqs.org/t-load.html You can 'benchmark' HD with hdparm, for example hdparm -Tt /dev/sda , you can also use 'dd' to move bytes around and 'time' it, something like: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1M count=1024 I've used this the other way around to create a big file and 'md5sum' it several times, getting different results confirmed bad RAM. The problem is that except for HD, the stress results are hard to compare to other systems. Also the 'bottleneck' result would be for the particular tested load. For a system with any significant disk I/O, the disk would be the bottleneck, so the upgrade to look for is a SSD drive. The next one up is typically RAM. For CPU, not a benchmark but when I got a new computer I used to recompile the kernel to see how much faster it would finish, follow by a mild disappointment. --------------------- Fernando Duran http://www.fduran.com --- On Sun, 4/17/11, William Park wrote: > From: William Park > Subject: [TLUG]: Stress testing your machine -- what program? > To: tlug at ss.org > Received: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 9:31 PM > Hi all, > > On Windows7, there is "Windows Experience Index" under > "System > Properties" which does some benchmarking of cpu, memory, > video, and hd. > Probably not very accurate, but it does tell you which > sub-system is > bottleneck and needs upgrading. > > Is there something similar in Linux, say in KDE or Gnome, > or even > standalone program? > -- > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 18 16:34:10 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:34:10 -0400 Subject: Stress testing your machine -- what program? In-Reply-To: <20110418013121.GA8571-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110418013121.GA8571@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4DAC6802.8070706@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > Hi all, > > On Windows7, there is "Windows Experience Index" under "System > Properties" which does some benchmarking of cpu, memory, video, and hd. > Probably not very accurate, but it does tell you which sub-system is > bottleneck and needs upgrading. > > Is there something similar in Linux, say in KDE or Gnome, or even > standalone program? > Running Windows should be stressful enough for any computer. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 18 17:06:57 2011 From: teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:06:57 -0400 Subject: USB3 sustained transfer rate Message-ID: <4DAC6FB1.1080909@gmail.com> Ubuntu 10.10 M4A88T-V EVO/USB3 Vantec USB3 case with WD 2TB green I dont know what the speed of the WD Green is, but it is definitely not the fastest. 2 USB3 ports and use 1 USB3 port. With USB2 it sustains 30MB/sec. With USB3 the speed varies from 70MB to 105MB/sec (averaging 90MB/sec) Any idea why it could vary from 70 to 105 ? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 18 17:27:58 2011 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:27:58 -0400 Subject: Scrapping TP770x Laptop Message-ID: I'm retiring a ThinkPad 770x laptop. Before I drop it in a Goodwill box, does anyone on this list want it? It's very, very solid (and heavy), with removeable hard drive, printer and serial ports, VGA port and one USB port. As I remember, the USB port wasn't all that reliable, it was early days when this thing was made. The hard drive is functional (I removed it to back up the contents and then plugged it in again), but the laptop will not boot, probably because the battery is pooched. If you'd like it, contact me off list and we'll make an arrangement. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 18 17:30:59 2011 From: instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (aaron d) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:30:59 -0400 Subject: USB3 sustained transfer rate In-Reply-To: <4DAC6FB1.1080909-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DAC6FB1.1080909@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have about the same performance on my WD passport and my hand-built PC. It's nowhere near advertised speed (even WITH overhead), but I can't complain compared to USB2, so I have never had any reason to tweak. USB has never been the most stable in terms of transfer rate anyway. Sorry, this is not so much helpful as it is confirming your experience. -aaron On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:06 PM, teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org < teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Ubuntu 10.10 > M4A88T-V EVO/USB3 > Vantec USB3 case with WD 2TB green > I dont know what the speed of the WD Green is, but it is definitely not the > fastest. > 2 USB3 ports and use 1 USB3 port. > > With USB2 it sustains 30MB/sec. > With USB3 the speed varies from 70MB to 105MB/sec (averaging 90MB/sec) > > Any idea why it could vary from 70 to 105 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think 100MB/s sustained is reasonable for 1 harddisk, no matter which SATA port (1.5/3/6Gbps) it's plugged into. -- William ----- Original Message ---- > From: "teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org" > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 1:06:57 PM > Subject: [TLUG]: USB3 sustained transfer rate > > > Ubuntu 10.10 > M4A88T-V EVO/USB3 > Vantec USB3 case with WD 2TB green > I dont know what the speed of the WD Green is, but it is definitely not the >fastest. > 2 USB3 ports and use 1 USB3 port. > > With USB2 it sustains 30MB/sec. > With USB3 the speed varies from 70MB to 105MB/sec (averaging 90MB/sec) > > Any idea why it could vary from 70 to 105 ? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 18 17:34:05 2011 From: teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:34:05 -0400 Subject: USB3 sustained transfer rate In-Reply-To: References: <4DAC6FB1.1080909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DAC760D.30603@gmail.com> http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/esata_still_faster_usb_30 I may need to get faster drives in the future. I would like to see some SSD/USB3 benchmarks. On 04/18/2011 01:30 PM, aaron d wrote: > I have about the same performance on my WD passport and my hand-built > PC. It's nowhere near advertised speed (even WITH overhead), but I > can't complain compared to USB2, so I have never had any reason to > tweak. USB has never been the most stable in terms of transfer rate > anyway. Sorry, this is not so much helpful as it is confirming your > experience. > > -aaron > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:06 PM, teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > > wrote: > > > Ubuntu 10.10 > M4A88T-V EVO/USB3 > Vantec USB3 case with WD 2TB green > I dont know what the speed of the WD Green is, but it is > definitely not the fastest. > 2 USB3 ports and use 1 USB3 port. > > With USB2 it sustains 30MB/sec. > With USB3 the speed varies from 70MB to 105MB/sec (averaging 90MB/sec) > > Any idea why it could vary from 70 to 105 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 18 17:57:50 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:57:50 -0400 Subject: USB3 sustained transfer rate In-Reply-To: <4DAC6FB1.1080909-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4DAC6FB1.1080909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110418175750.GT347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 01:06:57PM -0400, teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > > Ubuntu 10.10 > M4A88T-V EVO/USB3 > Vantec USB3 case with WD 2TB green > I dont know what the speed of the WD Green is, but it is definitely not > the fastest. > 2 USB3 ports and use 1 USB3 port. > > With USB2 it sustains 30MB/sec. Sounds typical for USB2. > With USB3 the speed varies from 70MB to 105MB/sec (averaging 90MB/sec) > > Any idea why it could vary from 70 to 105 ? Doesn't WD claim the green drives vary? :) Not sure. How are you testing it? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ushnish.sengupta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 18 18:07:11 2011 From: ushnish.sengupta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ushnish Sengupta) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:07:11 -0400 Subject: Scrapping TP770x Laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Peter You can donate the Thinkpad to Free Geek Toronto www.freegeektoronto.orgI can pick it up depending on your location. Free Geek Toronto refurbishes used computers and grants them to people who cannot afford them. And to ensure this reply is on topic for TLUG, we support Free and Open Source Software as a core part of our mission, and therefore we install Linux Ubuntu on the desktops and Laptops we distribute. Ushnish <%28647%29%20210%202524> ushnish.sengupta-OvU2V46eqDdvgyatUqoQW0B+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:27 PM, wrote: > I'm retiring a ThinkPad 770x laptop. Before I drop it in a Goodwill box, > does anyone on this list want it? > > It's very, very solid (and heavy), with removeable hard drive, printer and > serial ports, VGA port and one USB port. As I remember, the USB port > wasn't all that reliable, it was early days when this thing was made. The > hard drive is functional (I removed it to back up the contents and then > plugged it in again), but the laptop will not boot, probably because the > battery is pooched. > > If you'd like it, contact me off list and we'll make an arrangement. > > Peter > > -- > Peter Hiscocks > Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto > http://www.syscompdesign.com > USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator > 647-839-0325 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 18 23:46:46 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:46:46 -0400 Subject: Stress testing your machine -- what program? In-Reply-To: <599573.51024.qm-2GDYqejlFfL5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20110418013121.GA8571@node1.opengeometry.net> <599573.51024.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110418234646.GA17920@node1.opengeometry.net> When there is nothing going on, hdparm, dd, kernel compile, etc., gives expected numbers. When things are going on, however, my machine crawls/freezes/stutters in a way that is not linear in terms of system load. I looked at swap, and it's not even using swap. I found StressLinux from ... downloading... -- William On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:24:07AM -0700, Fernando Duran wrote: > Hi, > > I was going to joke "Go to Flash web sites with Firefox" but I'll also > leave these links: > > http://www.opensourcetesting.org/performance.php > http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2008/07/opensource-performance-testing-tools.html > http://lbs.sourceforge.net/ > http://www.testingfaqs.org/t-load.html > > You can 'benchmark' HD with hdparm, for example hdparm -Tt /dev/sda , > you can also use 'dd' to move bytes around and 'time' it, something > like: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1M count=1024 > > I've used this the other way around to create a big file and 'md5sum' > it several times, getting different results confirmed bad RAM. > > The problem is that except for HD, the stress results are hard to > compare to other systems. > > Also the 'bottleneck' result would be for the particular tested load. > For a system with any significant disk I/O, the disk would be the > bottleneck, so the upgrade to look for is a SSD drive. The next one up > is typically RAM. > > For CPU, not a benchmark but when I got a new computer I used to > recompile the kernel to see how much faster it would finish, follow by > a mild disappointment. > > > > --------------------- > Fernando Duran > http://www.fduran.com > > > --- On Sun, 4/17/11, William Park wrote: > > > From: William Park > > Subject: [TLUG]: Stress testing your machine -- what program? > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Received: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 9:31 PM > > Hi all, > > > > On Windows7, there is "Windows Experience Index" under > > "System > > Properties" which does some benchmarking of cpu, memory, > > video, and hd. > > Probably not very accurate, but it does tell you which > > sub-system is > > bottleneck and needs upgrading. > > > > Is there something similar in Linux, say in KDE or Gnome, > > or even > > standalone program? > > -- > > William > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > > columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 01:10:44 2011 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Stress testing your machine -- what program? In-Reply-To: <20110418234646.GA17920-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110418234646.GA17920@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <977164.23019.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 4/18/11, William Park wrote: > From: William Park > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Stress testing your machine -- what program? > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Monday, April 18, 2011, 7:46 PM > When there is nothing going on, > hdparm, dd, kernel compile, etc., gives > expected numbers.? When things are going on, however, > my machine > crawls/freezes/stutters in a way that is not linear in > terms of system > load.? I looked at swap, and it's not even using > swap. So problem is not RAM, most likely is Disk I/O and perhaps CPU. Check with 'top' or 'htop' when it's in the bad state to check CPU utilization (total and per process). Also with 'ps auxf' see if there are any processes in "D" state, most likely waiting for disk. This little script may help too: http://pastebin.com/SqhT6zFr , I make it run in servers every 15 mins or so with cron and output to a log file (rotated) as a simple poor man's monitoring, or I use "munin". --------------------- Fernando Duran http://www.fduran.com > > I found StressLinux from ... > downloading... > -- > William > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:24:07AM -0700, Fernando Duran > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I was going to joke "Go to Flash web sites with > Firefox" but I'll also > > leave these links: > > > > http://www.opensourcetesting.org/performance.php > > http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2008/07/opensource-performance-testing-tools.html > > http://lbs.sourceforge.net/ > > http://www.testingfaqs.org/t-load.html > > > > You can 'benchmark' HD with hdparm, for example? > hdparm -Tt /dev/sda , > > you can also use 'dd' to move bytes around and 'time' > it, something > > like: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1M count=1024 > > > > I've used this the other way around to create a big > file and 'md5sum' > > it several times, getting different results confirmed > bad RAM. > > > > The problem is that except for HD, the stress results > are hard to > > compare to other systems. > > > > Also the 'bottleneck' result would be for the > particular tested load. > > For a system with any significant disk I/O, the disk > would be the > > bottleneck, so the upgrade to look for is a SSD drive. > The next one up > > is typically RAM. > > > > For CPU, not a benchmark but when I got a new computer > I used to > > recompile the kernel to see how much faster it would > finish, follow by > > a mild disappointment. > > > >??? > > > > --------------------- > > Fernando Duran > > http://www.fduran.com > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/17/11, William Park > wrote: > > > > > From: William Park > > > Subject: [TLUG]: Stress testing your machine -- > what program? > > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > > Received: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 9:31 PM > > > Hi all, > > > > > > On Windows7, there is "Windows Experience Index" > under > > > "System > > > Properties" which does some benchmarking of cpu, > memory, > > > video, and hd. > > > Probably not very accurate, but it does tell you > which > > > sub-system is > > > bottleneck and needs upgrading. > > > > > > Is there something similar in Linux, say in KDE > or Gnome, > > > or even > > > standalone program? > > > -- > > > William > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > > > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 > > > columns > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below > 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 02:45:19 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:45:19 -0400 Subject: Stress testing your machine -- what program? In-Reply-To: <977164.23019.qm-Tm7EnexblBL5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20110418234646.GA17920@node1.opengeometry.net> <977164.23019.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110419024519.GA29181@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 06:10:44PM -0700, Fernando Duran wrote: > > So problem is not RAM, most likely is Disk I/O and perhaps CPU. > > Check with 'top' or 'htop' when it's in the bad state to check CPU > utilization (total and per process). Also with 'ps auxf' see if there > are any processes in "D" state, most likely waiting for disk. > > This little script may help too: http://pastebin.com/SqhT6zFr , I make > it run in servers every 15 mins or so with cron and output to a log > file (rotated) as a simple poor man's monitoring, or I use "munin". Thanks for the script. I'm suspecting something to do with disk. I have 2 "disks": - / (/dev/root) -- regular 500GB disk - /home (/dev/md0) -- 4 x 1TB software raid5. I don't hear disk thrashing. If I do, I would be less concerned. It's the lack of apparent activity which irritates me. Maybe CPU also. But, the best CPU upgrade will only give me x2 improvement, which is not enough to compensate the slowdown, at all. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 10:25:27 2011 From: adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 06:25:27 -0400 Subject: Stress testing your machine -- what program? In-Reply-To: <20110419024519.GA29181-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110418234646.GA17920@node1.opengeometry.net> <977164.23019.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20110419024519.GA29181@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110419102527.GG22558@adb.ca> William Park wrote: > ... I'm suspecting something to do with disk. I > have 2 "disks": > - / (/dev/root) -- regular 500GB disk > - /home (/dev/md0) -- 4 x 1TB software raid5. > I don't hear disk thrashing. If I do, I would be less concerned. It's > the lack of apparent activity which irritates me. Just a thing to check, but make sure that RAID array isn't running in degraded mode. If one of the disks failed, or it thinks the array is out of sync with itself, then everything you would have read from the failed disk has to be reconstructed from the other three, and performance goes to lunch. It's been awhile since I used software RAID on Linux, but /proc/mdstat should be the file that shows you the status. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 12:38:09 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:38:09 -0400 Subject: Debian and Postgres 9.0 Message-ID: <20110419123809.GA22223@yam.witteman.ca> Has anyone got experience with Debian and Postgres 9.0? I have never used Postgres before, but I foolishly thought it would be simple. I'm just trying to get started - database server available on localhost and the ability to create databases and run SQL. All of the tutorials seem to be subtly different, and Debian is different still, and the whole process has been quite frustrating. Anyone have some pointers? Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 12:50:10 2011 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:50:10 -0400 Subject: Debian and Postgres 9.0 In-Reply-To: <20110419123809.GA22223-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110419123809.GA22223@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: It usually is simple. What problems are you running into. Dave Cramer VP Software Development Visible Assets Inc. www.visibleassets.com On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:38 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Has anyone got experience with Debian and Postgres 9.0? ?I have never > used Postgres before, but I foolishly thought it would be simple. ?I'm > just trying to get started - database server available on localhost and > the ability to create databases and run SQL. > > All of the tutorials seem to be subtly different, and Debian is > different still, and the whole process has been quite frustrating. > Anyone have some pointers? ?Thanks. > -- > > yours, > > William > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 13:17:30 2011 From: alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:17:30 -0300 Subject: Debian and Postgres 9.0 In-Reply-To: <20110419123809.GA22223-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110419123809.GA22223@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: Greatings, There is no much difference from Debian to another distro... by default, all connections from localhost is allowed using ident or md5 authentication. If you want to allow access from another host, you must edit /etc/postgresql/9.0/main/pg_hba.conf to add new access rules, for example, if you want to allow access to john for sports from 172.16.1.15, you need to add a new line and reload master (pg_ctl reload)... host sports john 172.16.1.15/32 md5 Sds Alexandre Alencar http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ COBIT, ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:38 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman < william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Has anyone got experience with Debian and Postgres 9.0? I have never > used Postgres before, but I foolishly thought it would be simple. I'm > just trying to get started - database server available on localhost and > the ability to create databases and run SQL. > > All of the tutorials seem to be subtly different, and Debian is > different still, and the whole process has been quite frustrating. > Anyone have some pointers? Thanks. > -- > > yours, > > William > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 13:38:03 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell reiter) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:38:03 -0400 Subject: Android on Huawei u8100-9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I did install usb_modeswitch on Debian. So this box Linux SoupDeJour 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 8 21:36:00 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux now has this udev rule. SUBSYSTEM=="usb", SYSFS{idProduct}=="1031", SYSFS{idVendor}=="12d1", RUN+="usb_modeswitch '%b/%k'" which makes this character device available for dialout. root at SoupDeJour:/dev# ls -la ttyUSB4 crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 188, 4 Apr 19 08:39 ttyUSB4 The GSM modem now shows up in System>Preferences>Network Connections>Wireless Broadband I'm going to try a connection now. I'm looking at "Proxoid" which is a widget available at the Android Market. It uses the phones usb debugging feature to establish a conneciton. I'm posting this because a lot of the information I read about Android seems to indicate that you have to root the phone to make things like the modem work. On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Russell reiter wrote: > I seem to be making some headway today. > > /lib/udev/ modem-modeswitch ?(using vendor and product information > provided by lsusb and udevadm) > > modem-modeswitch -v ?0x12d1 -p 0x1031 -t option-zerocd > > tail /var/log/messages > > Apr 18 13:10:19 russ-desktop kernel: [ 1604.231405] usb 1-3: USB > disconnect, address 7 > Apr 18 13:10:20 russ-desktop kernel: [ 1605.292016] usb 1-3: new high > speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 14:24:45 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:24:45 -0400 Subject: Hack the D-Link DNS-323 to get an array of Linux server options | TechRepublic Message-ID: <4DAD9B2D.4050905@rogers.com> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/hack-the-d-link-dns-323-to-get-an-array-of-linux-server-options/2423?tag=nl.e011 This box is currently $129 at Canada Computers. http://canadacomputers.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=dns-323&sid=bmq25u0g2vbt7s8lkm99hes3e3&x=0&y=0 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 14:41:14 2011 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:41:14 -0400 Subject: Debian and Postgres 9.0 In-Reply-To: <20110419123809.GA22223-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110419123809.GA22223@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <4DAD9F0A.9070102@ve3syb.ca> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Has anyone got experience with Debian and Postgres 9.0? I have never > used Postgres before, but I foolishly thought it would be simple. I'm > just trying to get started - database server available on localhost and > the ability to create databases and run SQL. Are you having problems finding your way around Debian or are you having problems with Postgres? If it wasn't already installed for you, one tool that would be handy to set up on the machine is phpPgAdmin which can be found at http://phppgadmin.sourceforge.net/doku.php?id=start It makes it easy to administer Postgres databases using a web-browser on a with a web server that has support for PHP. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 14:55:08 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:55:08 -0400 Subject: Stress testing your machine -- what program? In-Reply-To: <20110418234646.GA17920-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110418013121.GA8571@node1.opengeometry.net> <599573.51024.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20110418234646.GA17920@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110419145508.GU347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 07:46:46PM -0400, William Park wrote: > When there is nothing going on, hdparm, dd, kernel compile, etc., gives > expected numbers. When things are going on, however, my machine > crawls/freezes/stutters in a way that is not linear in terms of system > load. I looked at swap, and it's not even using swap. > > I found StressLinux from ... downloading... So which kernel version? Some filesystems and some kernel versions have pretty bad bahaviour under some types of load. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 14:56:09 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:56:09 -0400 Subject: Stress testing your machine -- what program? In-Reply-To: <20110419102527.GG22558-SACILpcuo74@public.gmane.org> References: <20110418234646.GA17920@node1.opengeometry.net> <977164.23019.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20110419024519.GA29181@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110419102527.GG22558@adb.ca> Message-ID: <20110419145609.GV347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 06:25:27AM -0400, Anthony de Boer wrote: > Just a thing to check, but make sure that RAID array isn't running in > degraded mode. If one of the disks failed, or it thinks the array is > out of sync with itself, then everything you would have read from the > failed disk has to be reconstructed from the other three, and > performance goes to lunch. It's been awhile since I used software RAID > on Linux, but /proc/mdstat should be the file that shows you the status. And make sure you told the filesystem block allocator about the raid layout so that it doesn't cause unnecesary read/modify/write cycles on the raid5. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 14:58:30 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:58:30 -0400 Subject: Debian and Postgres 9.0 In-Reply-To: <20110419123809.GA22223-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110419123809.GA22223@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20110419145830.GW347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 08:38:09AM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Has anyone got experience with Debian and Postgres 9.0? I have never > used Postgres before, but I foolishly thought it would be simple. I'm > just trying to get started - database server available on localhost and > the ability to create databases and run SQL. > > All of the tutorials seem to be subtly different, and Debian is > different still, and the whole process has been quite frustrating. > Anyone have some pointers? Thanks. You mean besides: apt-get install postgresql-9.0 That of course probably means you have to be running unstable or perhaps testing. Or you could be using backports I suppose. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 15:00:20 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Stress testing your machine -- what program? In-Reply-To: <20110419145508.GU347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110418013121.GA8571@node1.opengeometry.net> <599573.51024.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20110418234646.GA17920@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110419145508.GU347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <562455.77111.qm@web113420.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > From: Lennart Sorensen > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 07:46:46PM -0400, William Park wrote: > > When there is nothing going on, hdparm, dd, kernel compile, etc., gives > > expected numbers. When things are going on, however, my machine > > crawls/freezes/stutters in a way that is not linear in terms of system > > load. I looked at swap, and it's not even using swap. > > > > I found StressLinux from ... downloading... > > So which kernel version? Some filesystems and some kernel versions have > pretty bad bahaviour under some types of load. kernel-2.6.38.2 ext4 -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 15:07:59 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:07:59 -0400 Subject: Stress testing your machine -- what program? In-Reply-To: <562455.77111.qm-ywxMEV4duM8/JfqJOfUXs/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <20110418013121.GA8571@node1.opengeometry.net> <599573.51024.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20110418234646.GA17920@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110419145508.GU347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <562455.77111.qm@web113420.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110419150759.GX347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 08:00:20AM -0700, William Park wrote: > > From: Lennart Sorensen > > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 07:46:46PM -0400, William Park wrote: > > > When there is nothing going on, hdparm, dd, kernel compile, etc., gives > > > expected numbers. When things are going on, however, my machine > > > crawls/freezes/stutters in a way that is not linear in terms of system > > > load. I looked at swap, and it's not even using swap. > > > > > > I found StressLinux from ... downloading... > > > > So which kernel version? Some filesystems and some kernel versions have > > pretty bad bahaviour under some types of load. > > kernel-2.6.38.2 > ext4 That one should behave fairly well. ext3 with 2.6.29 and earlier was really bad. Of course if you simply have too much disk I/O there isn't much to do about it. Programs that do sync a lot are not good for performance of course. ext3 has unfortunately made a lot of programs bahave really badly over the years which will take some time to undo. hdparm tests are not meant to be done with other things. It is a good test of raw read speed, but that's it. Not a stress test and not to be run with other things. kernel compile is a nice cpu/memory test, but doesn't do that much disk I/O. These days you could even run it from a ramdisk to elliminate disk I/O entirely from a performance test. dd like hdparm is rather direct and brutal, and not really a good test of filesystem performance, only raw disk I/O. Of course if you run software raid5 then that does require CPU to handle, especially if you haven't aligned your data properly for it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 15:15:09 2011 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Debian and Postgres 9.0 In-Reply-To: <20110419123809.GA22223-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110419123809.GA22223@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <756564.47456.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi, What problems are you having? In my Debian it's just installed with the normal 'apt-get update; apt-get install postgresql*' Then just change to the postgres user: # su postgres - And call the postgres command line utility: $ psql From here one you can for example: create database mydb; Etc. Some pointers once inside if you come from mysql: SHOW TABLES = \d SHOW DATABASES = \l SHOW COLUMNS = \d table to leave: \q --------------------- Fernando Duran http://www.fduran.com --- On Tue, 4/19/11, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > From: William O'Higgins Witteman > Subject: [TLUG]: Debian and Postgres 9.0 > To: "tlug" > Received: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 8:38 AM > Has anyone got experience with Debian > and Postgres 9.0?? I have never > used Postgres before, but I foolishly thought it would be > simple.? I'm > just trying to get started - database server available on > localhost and > the ability to create databases and run SQL. > > All of the tutorials seem to be subtly different, and > Debian is > different still, and the whole process has been quite > frustrating. > Anyone have some pointers?? Thanks. > -- > > yours, > > William > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 15:46:54 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:46:54 -0400 Subject: Debian and Postgres 9.0 In-Reply-To: <756564.47456.qm-Yr0EqNg043r5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20110419123809.GA22223@yam.witteman.ca> <756564.47456.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110419154654.GA23363@yam.witteman.ca> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 08:15:09AM -0700, Fernando Duran wrote: >Then just change to the postgres user: > ># su postgres - > >And call the postgres command line utility: > >$ psql Installation is easy - it is Debian, after all. I had to create a password for the postgres user (not obvious), but once I was in I get this: ~ ] psql Error: No existing local cluster is suitable as a default target. Please see man pg_wrapper(1) how to specify one.) Reading man pg_wrapper(1) is not as helpful as I have hoped. How (and where) do I specify a local cluster, on Debian, for 9.0? The docs are not clear, and I have read reams of advice just like the very helpful advice above. So far, all of it is missing steps somewhere, or the commands are not valid under my version or distro. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Think of it as an NSLU-2 without all the cable mess. Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ - 73 de VA3PID -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 16:10:46 2011 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Debian and Postgres 9.0 In-Reply-To: <20110419154654.GA23363-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110419154654.GA23363@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <70227.43874.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Weird, it seems you installed (or it was already installed) a cluster facility in postgres and now psql is asking which cluster to use. I don't know about clusters, what's the output of?: dpkg --get-selections |grep postgres --------------------- Fernando Duran http://www.fduran.com --- On Tue, 4/19/11, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > From: William O'Higgins Witteman > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Debian and Postgres 9.0 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 11:46 AM > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 08:15:09AM > -0700, Fernando Duran wrote: > > >Then just change to the postgres user: > > > ># su postgres - > > > >And call the postgres command line utility: > > > >$ psql > > Installation is easy - it is Debian, after all.? I had > to create a > password for the postgres user (not obvious), but once I > was in I get > this: > > ~ ] psql > Error: No existing local cluster is suitable as a default > target. Please > see man pg_wrapper(1) how to specify one.) > > Reading man pg_wrapper(1) is not as helpful as I have > hoped. How (and > where) do I specify a local cluster, on Debian, for > 9.0?? The docs are > not clear, and I have read reams of advice just like the > very helpful > advice above.? So far, all of it is missing steps > somewhere, or the > commands are not valid under my version or distro. > -- > > yours, > > William > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 16:19:27 2011 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Debian and Postgres 9.0 In-Reply-To: <70227.43874.qm-3lJy/A3v08D5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <70227.43874.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <760390.87224.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Another more likely possibility is that you still need to do this step: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.4/interactive/creating-cluster.html , funny enough I don't remember doing it, I think apt-get must have taken care of it. --------------------- Fernando Duran http://www.fduran.com --- On Tue, 4/19/11, Fernando Duran wrote: > From: Fernando Duran > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Debian and Postgres 9.0 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 12:10 PM > Weird, it seems you installed (or it > was already installed) a cluster facility in postgres and > now psql is asking which cluster to use. I don't know about > clusters, what's the output of?: > > dpkg --get-selections |grep postgres > > > --------------------- > Fernando Duran > http://www.fduran.com > > > --- On Tue, 4/19/11, William O'Higgins Witteman > wrote: > > > From: William O'Higgins Witteman > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Debian and Postgres 9.0 > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Received: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 11:46 AM > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 08:15:09AM > > -0700, Fernando Duran wrote: > > > > >Then just change to the postgres user: > > > > > ># su postgres - > > > > > >And call the postgres command line utility: > > > > > >$ psql > > > > Installation is easy - it is Debian, after all.? I > had > > to create a > > password for the postgres user (not obvious), but once > I > > was in I get > > this: > > > > ~ ] psql > > Error: No existing local cluster is suitable as a > default > > target. Please > > see man pg_wrapper(1) how to specify one.) > > > > Reading man pg_wrapper(1) is not as helpful as I have > > hoped. How (and > > where) do I specify a local cluster, on Debian, for > > 9.0?? The docs are > > not clear, and I have read reams of advice just like > the > > very helpful > > advice above.? So far, all of it is missing steps > > somewhere, or the > > commands are not valid under my version or distro. > > -- > > > > yours, > > > > William > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 16:24:12 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:24:12 -0400 Subject: Debian and Postgres 9.0 In-Reply-To: <20110419123809.GA22223-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110419123809.GA22223@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:38 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Has anyone got experience with Debian and Postgres 9.0? ?I have never > used Postgres before, but I foolishly thought it would be simple. ?I'm > just trying to get started - database server available on localhost and > the ability to create databases and run SQL. > > All of the tutorials seem to be subtly different, and Debian is > different still, and the whole process has been quite frustrating. > Anyone have some pointers? ?Thanks. The "special" thing about Debian with Postgres is that it includes support for having multiple databases running different versions simultaneously. There's some attendant cleverness that you may need to use some "cluster" commands to specify which instance of Postgres you wish to use. It's actually a bit more powerful than it seems; not only does it let you have multiple different versions running, it allows installing multiple instances running the *same* version (which is less obvious). For more on the Debian-specific tooling, see: http://wiki.debian.org/PostgreSql -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 16:24:55 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell reiter) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:24:55 -0400 Subject: Android and Huawei GSM modem connected in Debian Squeeze Message-ID: Ok, I got the modem working. I'm sending this email from that connection. Some notes in case anyone else is using one of these cheap smart phones from Wind. Who by the way have provided me with excellent customer service. I go to Newmarket quite often and when I signed up for the plan they said they were going to expand their coverage to include that area, and they did. Also I changed my plan a couple of times as I started to realize the data use I was going to encounter. I changed to one plan which would have cost $60 with taxes. Right after that switch they introduced a new plan and they switched me to it. Now I pay $40 plus tax. Because I had switched twice, they gave me a months credit, without my even asking, they just didn't debit my account which is pay before use. Here's the info for apparently all recent Huawei devices usb_modeswitch forum info says: change all Huawei devices to the following MessageContent: "55534243123456780000000000000011062000000100000000000000000000" So I created a file in /etc/usb_modeswitch.d called 12d1:1035 which has the following in it, I added my own hardware id to the TargetProductsLists == DefaultVendor=0x12d1 DefaultProduct=0x1446 TargetVendor=0x12d1 TargetProductLists="1001,1406,140c,141b,14ac,1035" CheckSuccess=20 MessageContent="55534243123456780600000080010a11060000000000000000000000000000" # for Android SDK NoDriverLoading=1 == /etc/usb_modeswitch.conf has the following defaults except I turned on logging and set Huawei mode 1 Notice the default product ID to be switched to is 0x1031 == # Disable automatic mode switching globally (e.g. to access the original # install storage) DisableSwitching=0 # Enable logging (results in a extensive report file in /var/log, named # "usb_modeswitch_" EnableLogging=1 # Huawei E220 (aka "Vodafone EasyBox II", aka "T-Mobile wnw Box Micro") # Huawei E270 # Huawei E870 # # Two options: 1. removal of "usb-storage" 2. the special control # message found by Miroslav Bobovsky # # Contributor: Hans Kurent, Denis Sutter DefaultVendor= 0x12d1; DefaultProduct= 0x1031 # choose one of these: ;DetachStorageOnly=1 HuaweiMode=1 == It turns out I didn't have to use a dialer to establish a connection. Once the character device was recognized by the system. I just had to flip the switch in the GUI network connections to start it automatically. I guess thats HuaweiMode=1 is for. It sends the proper control sequence and takes care of the usb serial stuff. I guess I'm just not used to having Linux do all this stuff for me. Now I'm going to mount the sd card on the phone and see what happens to the connection. Is the software truly mode swiching or is it just a mode switch? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 17:04:41 2011 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 13:04:41 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core In-Reply-To: References: <20110417194412.d41dfe49.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <4DADC0A9.6050908@ss.org> In earlier Fedora releases there was a package group to install Everything. But when Fedora Core became just Fedora (around 6 if I recall), it subsumbed the "Extras" repository and all packages were treated first class. Currently there are *11826* packages in fedora. Among them you will get more then half a dozen of the same type of application (music, calendar, text editor, etc)... Over 12 Desktop environments to choose from + all the variants introduces by using different WMs with Gnome. Not to mention the 70+ games (not including duplicate and triplicate variations). Plus all the language support for the many dozens of languages supported by Fedora. You will also have to update every package you install, which in a single day can exceed a hundred package updates a day easily. So as tempting as "Install Everything" sounds, you end up with a tangled mess that will be more headache then you think. The solution I've taken too is to actually keep a list of the packages I care about, in a text file. I use in Kickstart files to automate the selection at install time. The other option is to feed it to Yum via xargs after install. On 04/17/2011 08:54 PM, aaron d wrote: > > Even though I don't use fedora _anything_, I'm going to say no. #1 > reason is that many packages can conflict with others. This would lead > to circular dependency issues. Is it really that tough to install > software on-demand? Last I checked the distro is already pretty > bloated as it is. > > Aaron > > On Apr 17, 2011 7:49 PM, "Howard Gibson" > wrote: > > I have just installed Fedora Core_14 on a new laptop. > > > > Is there any way top launch the package manager, and tell Yum to > install everything? I am tired of clicking on each and every package > that I want. I have a 500GB drive on this thing. I don't care about > space, yet. :) > > > > -- > > Howard Gibson > > hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org > > howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org > > http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's not quite powerful enough as server (and I'd rather go with something like for a t*rr*nt box), and it doesn't have enough drive slots to make an interesting file share. As Lennart recently observed, RAID 1 isn't much fun. RAID 0 seems wasteful - I'd be just as happy buying one cheaper drive device. What I'd rather get is an "N+1 failoverable" involving 4 drives - that's the point where redundancy starts being not too insulting. The drives to fill it up are sufficiently expensive that I'd rather buy the $300 unit with 4 bays. That eats about the same amount of shelf space, has the same amount of cabling, and plenty more storage. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 17:24:59 2011 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 13:24:59 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <4DADC0A9.6050908-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <20110417194412.d41dfe49.hgibson@eol.ca> <4DADC0A9.6050908@ss.org> Message-ID: <4DADC56B.1090602@ss.org> A quick check show that this invocation of yum would produce the requested result. yum install "*-*" I find it funny and Ironic that the command looks like it's staring at you like your might be crazy. On 04/19/2011 01:04 PM, Scott Sullivan wrote: > In earlier Fedora releases there was a package group to install > Everything. > > But when Fedora Core became just Fedora (around 6 if I recall), it > subsumbed the "Extras" repository and all packages were treated first > class. > Currently there are *11826* packages in fedora. Among them you will > get more then half a dozen of the same type of application (music, > calendar, text editor, etc)... Over 12 Desktop environments to choose > from + all the variants introduces by using different WMs with Gnome. > Not to mention the 70+ games (not including duplicate and triplicate > variations). > > Plus all the language support for the many dozens of languages > supported by Fedora. > > You will also have to update every package you install, which in a > single day can exceed a hundred package updates a day easily. > > So as tempting as "Install Everything" sounds, you end up with a > tangled mess that will be more headache then you think. > > The solution I've taken too is to actually keep a list of the packages > I care about, in a text file. I use in Kickstart files to automate the > selection at install time. The other option is to feed it to Yum via > xargs after install. > > > On 04/17/2011 08:54 PM, aaron d wrote: >> >> Even though I don't use fedora _anything_, I'm going to say no. #1 >> reason is that many packages can conflict with others. This would >> lead to circular dependency issues. Is it really that tough to >> install software on-demand? Last I checked the distro is already >> pretty bloated as it is. >> >> Aaron >> >> On Apr 17, 2011 7:49 PM, "Howard Gibson" > > wrote: >> > I have just installed Fedora Core_14 on a new laptop. >> > >> > Is there any way top launch the package manager, and tell Yum to >> install everything? I am tired of clicking on each and every package >> that I want. I have a 500GB drive on this thing. I don't care about >> space, yet. :) >> > >> > -- >> > Howard Gibson >> > hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org >> > howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org >> > http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson >> > -- >> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Scott Sullivan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 18:14:19 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell reiter) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:14:19 -0400 Subject: Android and Huawei GSM modem connected in Debian Squeeze In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just noticed that the two message content fields in my last post are different. Although the one I used originally was not the recommended one, it worked. I got it from some other huawei modem user's conf file. When I mounted the sim on the phone while it was connected as a modem, the tty connection was dropped and the icon with the malformed xml label shows up on the desktop. I can then access the file system. When I unmount the sim, udev remounts the character device as an available connection and eventually reconnects. RUN+ should speed that up and I can take care of renaming the desktop icon as well. If I sum things up. Calling usb_modeswitch from udev leaves out one process step I'd have to use if I went with udev's native method; insmod usbserial option or whatever flavour demands after modem-modeswitch uses ZeroCd to eject the phantom cdrom. Although on closer look you might be able to apply usb serial at that time as well. Squeeze up and running, lucid and jaunty next and I'm good to go just about everywhere I go. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Russell reiter wrote: > Ok, I got the modem working. I'm sending this email from that connection. > > Some notes in case anyone else is using one of these cheap smart > phones from Wind. Who by the way have provided me with excellent > customer service. I go to Newmarket quite often and when I signed up > for the plan they said they were going to expand their coverage to > include that area, and they did. > > Also I changed my plan a couple of times as I started to realize the > data use I was going to encounter. I changed to one plan which would > have cost $60 with taxes. Right after that switch they introduced a > new plan and they switched me to it. Now I pay $40 plus tax. Because I > had switched twice, they gave me a months credit, without my even > asking, they just didn't debit my account which is pay before use. > > Here's the info for apparently all recent Huawei devices > > usb_modeswitch forum info says: change all Huawei devices to the > following MessageContent: > "55534243123456780000000000000011062000000100000000000000000000" > > So I created a file in /etc/usb_modeswitch.d called 12d1:1035 > which has the following in it, I added my own hardware id to the > TargetProductsLists > > == > DefaultVendor=0x12d1 > DefaultProduct=0x1446 > > TargetVendor=0x12d1 > TargetProductLists="1001,1406,140c,141b,14ac,1035" > > CheckSuccess=20 > > MessageContent="55534243123456780600000080010a11060000000000000000000000000000" > > # for Android SDK > NoDriverLoading=1 > > == > > /etc/usb_modeswitch.conf > > has the following defaults except I turned on logging and set Huawei mode 1 > Notice the default product ID to be switched to is 0x1031 > > == > # Disable automatic mode switching globally (e.g. to access the original > # install storage) > > DisableSwitching=0 > > # Enable logging (results in a extensive report file in /var/log, named > # "usb_modeswitch_" > > EnableLogging=1 > > # Huawei E220 (aka "Vodafone EasyBox II", aka "T-Mobile wnw Box Micro") > # Huawei E270 > # Huawei E870 > > # > # Two options: 1. removal of "usb-storage" ?2. the special control > # message found by Miroslav Bobovsky > # > # Contributor: Hans Kurent, Denis Sutter > DefaultVendor= ?0x12d1; > DefaultProduct= 0x1031 > > # choose one of these: > ;DetachStorageOnly=1 > HuaweiMode=1 > > == > > It turns out I didn't have to use a dialer to establish a connection. > Once the character device was recognized by the system. I just had to > flip the switch in the GUI network connections to start it > automatically. I guess thats HuaweiMode=1 is for. It sends the proper > control sequence and takes care of the usb serial stuff. > > I guess I'm just not used to having Linux do all this stuff for me. > > Now I'm going to mount the sd card on the phone and see what happens > to the connection. Is the software truly mode swiching or is it just a > mode switch? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 22:00:14 2011 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:00:14 -0400 Subject: Debian and Postgres 9.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20110419123809.GA22223@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20110419220014.GA25616@yam.witteman.ca> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:24:12PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: >On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:38 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman > wrote: >> Has anyone got experience with Debian and Postgres 9.0? ?I have never >> used Postgres before, but I foolishly thought it would be simple. ?I'm >> just trying to get started - database server available on localhost and >> the ability to create databases and run SQL. >The "special" thing about Debian with Postgres is that it includes >support for having multiple databases running different versions >simultaneously. This helps to some degree, but I am still encountering significant difficulties. This is *incredibly* difficult, as there doesn't seem to be a set of documentation that actually works. All I want to do is, in Python run two lines like this without error: In [1]: import pg In [2]: con = pg.connect(dbname='test',host='localhost',port=5434,user='postgres',passwd='secretpwd') I have made progress. It took the creation of a .postgresqlrc containing this to allow connection to a database at all: 9.0 main * Once that was in place I could run this a get into the Postgres shell: psql -U postgres ...but, only if /etc/postgresql/9.0/main/pg_hba.conf has this line in it: local all postgres trust *and/or* local all all trust If I try to change "trust" to "password" or "md5" it fails to work unless I am the postgres user. I am finding this process hugely frustrating - if I weren't very stubborn and didn't have this list as a resource I would have gone back to MySQL days ago. It may be a bit arcane, but it is far from ridiculous - there are a wide variety of tutorials that actually work as advertised. Any further help would be great, thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 19 21:52:55 2011 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 01:52:55 +0400 Subject: Debian and Postgres 9.0 In-Reply-To: <20110419220014.GA25616-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110419123809.GA22223@yam.witteman.ca> <20110419220014.GA25616@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <4DAE0437.8080605@gmail.com> Would install it from source, after removing packages. Still some configuration must be done. But I never had serious problem with that. On 20/04/11 02:00 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:24:12PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:38 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman >> wrote: >>> Has anyone got experience with Debian and Postgres 9.0? I have never >>> used Postgres before, but I foolishly thought it would be simple. I'm >>> just trying to get started - database server available on localhost and >>> the ability to create databases and run SQL. >> The "special" thing about Debian with Postgres is that it includes >> support for having multiple databases running different versions >> simultaneously. > This helps to some degree, but I am still encountering significant > difficulties. This is *incredibly* difficult, as there doesn't seem to > be a set of documentation that actually works. > > All I want to do is, in Python run two lines like this without error: > > In [1]: import pg > > In [2]: con = pg.connect(dbname='test',host='localhost',port=5434,user='postgres',passwd='secretpwd') > > I have made progress. It took the creation of a .postgresqlrc > containing this to allow connection to a database at all: > > 9.0 main * > > Once that was in place I could run this a get into the Postgres shell: > > psql -U postgres > > ...but, only if /etc/postgresql/9.0/main/pg_hba.conf has this line in > it: > > local all postgres trust > *and/or* > local all all trust > > > If I try to change "trust" to "password" or "md5" it fails to work > unless I am the postgres user. > > I am finding this process hugely frustrating - if I weren't very > stubborn and didn't have this list as a resource I would have gone back > to MySQL days ago. It may be a bit arcane, but it is far from > ridiculous - there are a wide variety of tutorials that actually work as > advertised. > > Any further help would be great, thanks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 20 01:16:04 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:16:04 -0400 Subject: Stress testing your machine -- what program? In-Reply-To: <20110419145609.GV347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110418234646.GA17920@node1.opengeometry.net> <977164.23019.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20110419024519.GA29181@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110419102527.GG22558@adb.ca> <20110419145609.GV347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110420011603.GA3379@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:56:09AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 06:25:27AM -0400, Anthony de Boer wrote: > > Just a thing to check, but make sure that RAID array isn't running in > > degraded mode. If one of the disks failed, or it thinks the array is > > out of sync with itself, then everything you would have read from the > > failed disk has to be reconstructed from the other three, and > > performance goes to lunch. It's been awhile since I used software RAID > > on Linux, but /proc/mdstat should be the file that shows you the status. It did happened to me once, and disks were thrashing a lot. In fact, that was what caused me to look at /proc/mdstat, and realized that it was in the middle of re-sync. > > And make sure you told the filesystem block allocator about the raid > layout so that it doesn't cause unnecesary read/modify/write cycles on > the raid5. Well, I used 64kB chunk size, as in the following: # chunksize = 64kB # blocksize = 4kB # stride = chunksize / blocksize = 64 / 4 = 16 # (Raid5) stripe-width = stride * (N - 1) = 16 * (4 - 1) = 48 # (Raid0) stripe-width = stride * (N) = 16 * (4) = 64 # mkfs.ext4 -b 4096 -m 0.1 -E stride=16,stripe-width=48 /dev/md0 Are you saying I should use different chunk size? -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 20 14:18:45 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:18:45 -0400 Subject: Stress testing your machine -- what program? In-Reply-To: <20110420011603.GA3379-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110418234646.GA17920@node1.opengeometry.net> <977164.23019.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20110419024519.GA29181@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110419102527.GG22558@adb.ca> <20110419145609.GV347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110420011603.GA3379@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110420141845.GY347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 09:16:04PM -0400, William Park wrote: > It did happened to me once, and disks were thrashing a lot. In fact, > that was what caused me to look at /proc/mdstat, and realized that it > was in the middle of re-sync. That will certainly make things slow. You can reduce the maximum resync data rate (I think the default is 200MB/s these days) to something sensible. I think I tend to change it to 20MB/s just so the machine is not bogged down by it. > Well, I used 64kB chunk size, as in the following: > > # chunksize = 64kB > # blocksize = 4kB > # stride = chunksize / blocksize = 64 / 4 = 16 > # (Raid5) stripe-width = stride * (N - 1) = 16 * (4 - 1) = 48 > # (Raid0) stripe-width = stride * (N) = 16 * (4) = 64 > # > mkfs.ext4 -b 4096 -m 0.1 -E stride=16,stripe-width=48 /dev/md0 > > Are you saying I should use different chunk size? No that looks good to me. Just making sure you had done that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 20 14:32:56 2011 From: teddymills1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:32:56 -0400 Subject: Stress testing your machine -- what program? In-Reply-To: <20110420141845.GY347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20110418234646.GA17920@node1.opengeometry.net> <977164.23019.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20110419024519.GA29181@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110419102527.GG22558@adb.ca> <20110419145609.GV347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110420011603.GA3379@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110420141845.GY347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DAEEE98.1060703@gmail.com> http://weather.ou.edu/~apw/projects/stress/ I use this a lot to stress test. I am testing various network monitoring programs, so I need the stress test to exceed a threshold. There is a stresslinux distro, but I have not needed that. Teddy On 20/04/2011 10:18 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 09:16:04PM -0400, William Park wrote: >> It did happened to me once, and disks were thrashing a lot. In fact, >> that was what caused me to look at /proc/mdstat, and realized that it >> was in the middle of re-sync. > That will certainly make things slow. You can reduce the maximum resync > data rate (I think the default is 200MB/s these days) to something > sensible. I think I tend to change it to 20MB/s just so the machine is > not bogged down by it. > >> Well, I used 64kB chunk size, as in the following: >> >> # chunksize = 64kB >> # blocksize = 4kB >> # stride = chunksize / blocksize = 64 / 4 = 16 >> # (Raid5) stripe-width = stride * (N - 1) = 16 * (4 - 1) = 48 >> # (Raid0) stripe-width = stride * (N) = 16 * (4) = 64 >> # >> mkfs.ext4 -b 4096 -m 0.1 -E stride=16,stripe-width=48 /dev/md0 >> >> Are you saying I should use different chunk size? > No that looks good to me. Just making sure you had done that. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 20 17:21:58 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Stress testing your machine -- what program? In-Reply-To: <4DAEEE98.1060703-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20110418234646.GA17920@node1.opengeometry.net> <977164.23019.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20110419024519.GA29181@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110419102527.GG22558@adb.ca> <20110419145609.GV347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110420011603.GA3379@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110420141845.GY347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DAEEE98.1060703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <407788.10269.qm@web113401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I downloaded StressLinux the other day. It's a Live CD, and has "stress" in its collection of program. But, I haven't had the chance to try it yet. -- William ----- Original Message ---- > From: teddy mills > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 10:32:56 AM > Subject: [TLUG]: Stress testing your machine -- what program? > > http://weather.ou.edu/~apw/projects/stress/ > > > I use this a lot to stress test. > I am testing various network monitoring programs, so I need the stress > test to exceed a threshold. > There is a stresslinux distro, but I have not needed that. > > Teddy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 21 19:10:30 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:10:30 -0400 Subject: TASK April Event Reminder - Winning (and Keeping) Your Dream Job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: TASK (Toronto Area Security Klatch) is a group of computer security professionals that normally meet on the last Wednesday of each month to discuss security issues on all platforms (Windows, Linux, Solaris, smart phones, etc...). The next TASK meeting will be of particular interest to all IT professionals in transition and maybe some outside the IT field... Colin McGregor ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: TASK Steering Committee Date: Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:35 PM Subject: TASK April Event Reminder SecTor 2011 Early Bird Pricing Ends April 30. ?TASK Discount code is IND-Task-2011. ?www.sector.ca April TASK Meeting - Winning (and Keeping) Your Dream Job 27 April 2011; 6:00 - 9:00 PM Health Science Centre, 155 College Street, Room 610 The so-called "soft skills" (non-technical skills that facilitate good interpersonal relationships) tend to be misunderstood and undervalued in the IT and information security communities. ?The April TASK event will introduce you to market leaders who will provide you with the insight to successfully enter and succeed in the information security job force. 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For upcoming training events and/or alternative options, please contact us at info-Z1FLSDVp6HyfsxuIvKNZIl+aB/EL+xL/@public.gmane.org We look forward to hearing from you soon." ===================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 22 21:16:55 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 17:16:55 -0400 Subject: Hardware Raid card -- any recommendation? Message-ID: <20110422211655.GA6751@node1.opengeometry.net> Hi all, I'm looking at getting a Hardware Raid card (PCI-E, 4-port minimum), - HighPoint RocketRAID 2310 - LSI MegaRaid SAS 8204ELP which are the low-end of things. Any recommendation or any experience with either of the above? -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 22 21:18:37 2011 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 17:18:37 -0400 Subject: Hardware Raid card -- any recommendation? In-Reply-To: <20110422211655.GA6751-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110422211655.GA6751@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4DB1F0AD.2090007@alteeve.com> On 04/22/2011 05:16 PM, William Park wrote: > Hi all, > I'm looking at getting a Hardware Raid card (PCI-E, 4-port minimum), > - HighPoint RocketRAID 2310 > - LSI MegaRaid SAS 8204ELP > which are the low-end of things. Any recommendation or any experience > with either of the above? Personal experience with LSI was good. Ran into an issue with the chassis backplane and the tech was very helpful. Didn't talk of a script and seemed to really know their stuff. I'd recommend them. -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 22 21:33:41 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 17:33:41 -0400 Subject: Jobs at Google (Re: Hello from Google) In-Reply-To: <20110411233917.GA18701-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110411211103.GA18006@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110411230143.GA18408@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110411233917.GA18701@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110422213341.GA30382@waltdnes.org> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 07:39:17PM -0400, William Park wrote > Hi all, > Here are Google jobs that someone contacted me for. Google and MS are hiring a lot. It's even made Slashdot... http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/04/21/0312235/Google-Microsoft-In-Epic-Hiring-War and the original article is at http://www.crn.com.au/News/255170,google-microsoft-recruiting-6200-in-talent-war.aspx -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 22 21:35:56 2011 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 17:35:56 -0400 Subject: Jobs at Google (Re: Hello from Google) In-Reply-To: References: <20110411211103.GA18006@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110411230143.GA18408@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110411233917.GA18701@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110412185214.GO347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DAA1408.6060907@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Fabio FZero wrote: > Well, most tech people I know would love to work for them, so I don't > think that's the case. All things being equal, I wouldn't want to move > to the US. > > Actually I know quite a few americans that moved to Canada and are > doing everything they can to stay. Things are quite bad down south and > don't look like they're going to get better any time soon. I agree 100% and stories like this don't increase my desire to travel to the U.S., let alone move there for work: -- ? Scott Elcomb ?@psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca ?Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems ?http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ ? Clerk of the Pirate Party of Canada ? http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 23 01:15:46 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 21:15:46 -0400 Subject: Slow fsck times Message-ID: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> I have WD hard disk that started throwing a sector error. I unmounted it and started fsck on it. Now, about three hours later, it's only showing 2.4% complete -- which seems rather slow. According to htop, the memory usage is 1.6% and the CPU usage negligible; iostat does show changes in reads/writes for the disk. So far no calls for intervention or to fix anything; it's just grinding away. Question: Is this normal? Should I just let it run? At this rate, on a 1TB disk, it's going to take until Tuesday or so. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At this rate, on a > 1TB disk, it's going to take until Tuesday or so. I don't see any choice. Let it run. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 23 15:15:43 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 11:15:43 -0400 Subject: Slow fsck times In-Reply-To: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> Message-ID: <20110423151543.GA29608@amber> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 09:15:46PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > I have WD hard disk that started throwing a sector error. I unmounted it > and started fsck on it. Now, about three hours later, it's only showing > 2.4% complete -- which seems rather slow. According to htop, the memory > usage is 1.6% and the CPU usage negligible; iostat does show changes in > reads/writes for the disk. So far no calls for intervention or to fix > anything; it's just grinding away. Follow-up: It completed after about 15 hours, the last 80% being done in some 35 minutes, so I suppose it had errors at the beginning. A series of small block-reading errors, one wrong inode-count, all fixed. Remounted, but, alas, more drive-reading errors and very slow access times (the "ls" on a directory can take up to 35 seconds to respond). I guess this drive is on the way out, or, if the Hardware Deities are friendly, to RMA a new one. Well, Easter is supposed to be the time of resurrection, after all -- -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 24 00:38:37 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 20:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Slow fsck times In-Reply-To: <20110423151543.GA29608@amber> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110423151543.GA29608@amber> Message-ID: | To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org | On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 09:15:46PM -0400, Peter King wrote: | | > I have WD hard disk that started throwing a sector error. I unmounted it | > and started fsck on it. Now, about three hours later, it's only showing | > 2.4% complete -- which seems rather slow. | Follow-up: It completed after about 15 hours, the last 80% being done in | some 35 minutes, so I suppose it had errors at the beginning. A series of | small block-reading errors, one wrong inode-count, all fixed. Remounted, | but, alas, more drive-reading errors and very slow access times (the "ls" | on a directory can take up to 35 seconds to respond). I guess this drive | is on the way out, or, if the Hardware Deities are friendly, to RMA a new | one. Well, Easter is supposed to be the time of resurrection, after all -- Sounds sick. Probably some bad track(s). If you write that track, the disk will probably transparently substitute a spare for it. But it cannot do this on a read because it cannot recreate the data that is lost. What does S.M.A.R.T. say (smartctl command)? WD has downloadable stand-alone bootable diagnostic firmware, I think. It might be able to patch things up. I imagine RMAing will be easier if you can say that the WD diagnostics flagged the disk. If it were my disk, I'd try to copy anything I cared about off it. To do this, I'd probably try a dd-type clone operation onto a good drive and then whack on the data on the good drive. There is supposed to be a dd that is mindful of errors. Why clone first and then only play with the clone? - using the bad drive may shorten its life - if you make a mistake with the clone, you should be able to make another. (Example: fsck can actual make a filesystem worse.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 24 17:10:57 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 13:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: NewEgg ShellShocker: an external modem that is supported by Linux (connects via USB) $16.99 Message-ID: If you want still want to use a modem, this is pretty cheap for one that has Linux support. This deal probably ends at midnight (in PST?). The "Feedback" says that there is out-of-the-box support in Linux. HylaFAX supports it too. Connecting via USB is useful since fewer computers come with serial ports these days. Downsides I noticed: - no callerID feature (even though the AT commands say it is supported) - no sound so you cannot hear call progress (I find sound handy sometimes) - no built-in phoneline splitter I've ordered one just in case I need a modem. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 24 22:09:50 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 18:09:50 -0400 Subject: NewEgg ShellShocker: an external modem that is supported by Linux (connects via USB) $16.99 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110424220948.GA3297@node1.opengeometry.net> God, I can't remember last time I used electronic-to-fax. If I do fax something, it's usually actual paper and through fax machine. -- On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 01:10:57PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > If you want still want to use a modem, this is pretty cheap for one that > has Linux support. > > This deal probably ends at midnight (in PST?). > > The "Feedback" says that there is out-of-the-box support in Linux. > HylaFAX supports it too. > > Connecting via USB is useful since fewer computers come with serial > ports these days. > > Downsides I noticed: > > - no callerID feature (even though the AT commands say it is supported) > > - no sound so you cannot hear call progress (I find sound handy > sometimes) > > - no built-in phoneline splitter > > I've ordered one just in case I need a modem. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 24 23:23:50 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 19:23:50 -0400 Subject: Slow fsck times In-Reply-To: References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110423151543.GA29608@amber> Message-ID: <20110424232350.GB3651@amber> On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 08:38:37PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > What does S.M.A.R.T. say (smartctl command)? Oddly enough, it passes the SMART offline immediate test. I'm now running the extended self-test routine to see what happens. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 25 01:33:39 2011 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 21:33:39 -0400 Subject: NewEgg ShellShocker: an external modem that is supported by Linux (connects via USB) $16.99 In-Reply-To: <4DB4CD88.9090203-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110424220948.GA3297@node1.opengeometry.net> <4DB4CD88.9090203@rogers.com> Message-ID: <201104242133.39232.dbmacg@look.ca> Thanks for the information. Up north, all I have is dial-up, throttled by Bell to 22k. So a modem is it. And the switch is connected to a fibre link, and has been for about 25 years. Another FIB-EH . Dunc On April 24, 2011 09:25:28 pm you wrote: > William Park wrote: > > God, I can't remember last time I used electronic-to-fax. If I do fax > > something, it's usually actual paper and through fax machine. > > It's been years since I've used a dial up modem. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Duncan MacGregor -- Toronto -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 25 05:38:09 2011 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 01:38:09 -0400 Subject: NewEgg ShellShocker: an external modem that is supported by Linux (connects via USB) $16.99 In-Reply-To: <4DB4CD88.9090203-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110424220948.GA3297@node1.opengeometry.net> <4DB4CD88.9090203@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110425053809.GA18326@waltdnes.org> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 09:25:28PM -0400, James Knott wrote > It's been years since I've used a dial up modem. I rarely use it but it's nice to have as a backup. I have an account with 295.ca (guess how much they charge per month) for emergency use. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 25 12:07:23 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:07:23 -0400 Subject: NewEgg ShellShocker: an external modem that is supported by Linux (connects via USB) $16.99 In-Reply-To: <20110425053809.GA18326-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20110424220948.GA3297@node1.opengeometry.net> <4DB4CD88.9090203@rogers.com> <20110425053809.GA18326@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4DB563FB.1090500@rogers.com> Walter Dnes wrote: >> > It's been years since I've used a dial up modem. >> > I rarely use it but it's nice to have as a backup. I have an account > with 295.ca (guess how much they charge per month) for emergency use. > I no longer have access to a dial up account. I stopped using a modem when I replaced the 802.11b WiFi NIC in my ThinkPad with one that could do 802.11g. The modem was on the old NIC. These days, if I'm somewhere where there's no open WiFi I can use, I can just tether to my Nexus One phone and get an internet connection that way. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 25 15:03:18 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: NewEgg ShellShocker: an external modem that is supported by Linux (connects via USB) $16.99 In-Reply-To: <20110424220948.GA3297-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110424220948.GA3297@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: | From: William Park | God, I can't remember last time I used electronic-to-fax. If I do fax | something, it's usually actual paper and through fax machine. We used to do FAX (very reluctantly), receive and send, with HylaFAX on my always-on "server" box. When I upgraded it a couple of years ago, I could not get HylaFAX to understand my modem, so no more FAXes for me. FAX capability came to this household long after email -- FAX: mid 1990s vs dial-up email: 1978 and in-house mail server 1983. So FAX seemed like a large step back. But sometimes one needs to send a FAX. Just yesterday, Elections Canada phoned us and said we needed to send a piece of supporting evidence ASAP for our son to get a letter ballot (yes: on Easter Sunday). So we sent a FAX from a WinXP box that came with a WinModem. We have never used a dedicated FAX machine. Anyway, I oredered one of these modems and I might just reconfigure HylaFAX. It has been whining at me for a couple of years. Perhaps I'll even enable dial-in data again! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 25 15:28:05 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:28:05 -0400 Subject: NewEgg ShellShocker: an external modem that is supported by Linux (connects via USB) $16.99 In-Reply-To: References: <20110424220948.GA3297@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4DB59305.6010101@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > But sometimes one needs to send a FAX. Just yesterday, Elections > Canada phoned us and said we needed to send a piece of supporting > evidence ASAP for our son to get a letter ballot (yes: on Easter > Sunday). So we sent a FAX from a WinXP box that came with a WinModem. > Couldn't you scan & email? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 25 17:08:09 2011 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: NewEgg ShellShocker: an external modem that is supported by Linux (connects via USB) $16.99 In-Reply-To: <4DB59305.6010101-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20110424220948.GA3297@node1.opengeometry.net> <4DB59305.6010101@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: James Knott | D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > But sometimes one needs to send a FAX. Just yesterday, Elections | > Canada phoned us and said we needed to send a piece of supporting | > evidence ASAP for our son to get a letter ballot (yes: on Easter | > Sunday). So we sent a FAX from a WinXP box that came with a WinModem. | | Couldn't you scan & email? Not that they told me. Negotiating wasn't easy -- I'm not authorized to speak for my son so some of the discussion was, uhh, circumlocutious. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 25 17:19:17 2011 From: el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:19:17 -0400 Subject: NewEgg ShellShocker: an external modem that is supported by Linux (connects via USB) $16.99 In-Reply-To: References: <20110424220948.GA3297@node1.opengeometry.net> <4DB59305.6010101@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 1:08 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > Negotiating wasn't easy -- I'm not authorized to speak for my son so > some of the discussion was, uhh, circumlocutious. Wasn't that a bad guy on Star Trek? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 25 17:23:55 2011 From: jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:23:55 -0400 Subject: Hard Drive Recovery ... Success $59.00 In-Reply-To: <20110224175214.GP347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4D65AB87.7030507@yaknet.ca> <20110224175214.GP347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DB5AE2B.2070000@yaknet.ca> On 11-02-24 12:52 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 07:51:19PM -0500, John Myshrall wrote: >> I just had a USB back up drive die recently and was going to invest >> $40.00 and try to replace the PCB so I can recover data. In a nut >> shell, neither of my systems will not power on with this drive >> installed. Both have good power supplies. I have also tried a USB to >> sata connector without any luck. Any suggestions? > OK, you seem to have said that both your machines power on fine, which > is good, except I don't think that's what you meant. > > If the drive is somehow shorting the power to the point that the power > supply refuses to turn on when the drive is connected, then I highly > doubt a PCB change will help. You may have lost the drive motor. > >> Why am I trying to recover a back up drive? = long stupid story. BTW I >> have most likely seen all the how to fix your hard drive videos on You >> Tube. Hammers don't work....... really! >> >> I have sent a request for further information from these guys. >> http://www.onepcbsolution.com/index.html >> >> Anyone dealt with them? > No idea. > > I just always remember my policy: > > Any data only stored in one place is by definition not important. > > Also a backup drive is a backup and the loss of the backup is hence > never a problem. > Well I took the plunge and bought the new board. The drive powered up but would not read. I contacted the PCB solutions, sent them back the replacement board and my dead board. They performed the correct bios transfer onto the new board. I installed the new board with the correct bios and successfully recovered the data. Total cost $50.00. This was certainly much better than the data recovery option. I Just thought I would share my experience with the list. BTW they are located in BC. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 25 20:02:11 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:02:11 -0400 Subject: Slow fsck times In-Reply-To: <20110424232350.GB3651@amber> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> <20110423151543.GA29608@amber> <20110424232350.GB3651@amber> Message-ID: <20110425200211.GB6729@amber> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 07:23:50PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 08:38:37PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > > What does S.M.A.R.T. say (smartctl command)? > > Oddly enough, it passes the SMART offline immediate test. I'm now running > the extended self-test routine to see what happens. It failed the extended self-test. By following the smartctl bad-blocks howto, I got as far as running debugfs, which hung. So I pulled the drive. Life is too short to deal with unreliable hardware. I'll get the remaining data off (over 98% of the data is already backed up), and put in a new drive to replace this one. The defective drive is a Western Digital Caviar Black SATA-1 1TB drive, with a manufacture date of 21 December 2009. Pretty short shelf life. WD claims a three-year warranty for these drives, so once I get everything up and running properly I'll try to RMA it. Thanks for all the advice and assistance. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From antoniosun-N9AOi2cAC9ZBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 26 05:10:42 2011 From: antoniosun-N9AOi2cAC9ZBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Antonio T. Sun) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 05:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Tax-aware book-keeping tool Message-ID: Hi, Prefix: Phew, finally I finished preparing for my tax returns, almost at the "last-minute", and I think it is high time for me to retire my home-grown book-keeping practise for my tax returns, and look for something that is more "off-the-shelf". Request: I'm looking for a Linux based book-keeping tool to track my expenses which is (better) aware of Canadian Tax laws. Details: - 1st of all, I stress again that it is better to be a simple book-keeping tool, instead of an accounting software that forces me to do double entries. - all I need to do, that I can think of currently, is to track my expenses: *when* I spend *how much*, that belongs to *which tax category*, and calculate yearly CCA for me as well. - when next tax season comes, I can just get the *summary data*, having properly pro-rated according to Canadian Tax laws, and hand them over to my accountant, preferably in a format that popular accounting/tax-preparing software can accept. Further: - Do you need to track your expenses? - Do you use Linux solution to do that? - How do you it? - What else in your practises that I haven't thought of? Could you post back or blog about it and give me a link please? Thanks A LOT. ATS -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 26 14:56:57 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:56:57 -0400 Subject: Hardware Raid card -- any recommendation? In-Reply-To: <20110422211655.GA6751-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20110422211655.GA6751@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110426145657.GZ347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 05:16:55PM -0400, William Park wrote: > I'm looking at getting a Hardware Raid card (PCI-E, 4-port minimum), > - HighPoint RocketRAID 2310 > - LSI MegaRaid SAS 8204ELP > which are the low-end of things. Any recommendation or any experience > with either of the above? I know Areca and 3ware are both very popular with linux users. Highpoint often is NOT. No idea on LSI. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 26 15:00:09 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:00:09 -0400 Subject: Slow fsck times In-Reply-To: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> References: <20110423011546.GA27493@amber> Message-ID: <20110426150009.GA347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 09:15:46PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > I have WD hard disk that started throwing a sector error. I unmounted it > and started fsck on it. Now, about three hours later, it's only showing > 2.4% complete -- which seems rather slow. According to htop, the memory > usage is 1.6% and the CPU usage negligible; iostat does show changes in > reads/writes for the disk. So far no calls for intervention or to fix > anything; it's just grinding away. > > Question: Is this normal? Should I just let it run? At this rate, on a > 1TB disk, it's going to take until Tuesday or so. Is dmesg showing lots of I/O timeouts? I would expect fsck on a 1TB disk to take around an hour or two. Sector errors will really slow things down. In fact I would never run fsck on a disk giving bad sector errors. I would mirror it with dd conv=noerror to another disk or a disk image, then fsck that. Running fsck is likely to destroy whatever is left of the filesystem if you run it on a failing disk. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 26 18:59:16 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:59:16 -0400 Subject: Tax-aware book-keeping tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Antonio T. Sun wrote: > > Hi, > > Prefix: Phew, finally I finished preparing for my tax returns, > almost at the "last-minute", and I think it is high time for me to > retire my home-grown book-keeping practise for my tax returns, and > look for something that is more "off-the-shelf". > > Request: I'm looking for a Linux based book-keeping tool to track > my expenses which is (better) aware of Canadian Tax laws. > > Details: > > - 1st of all, I stress again that it is better to be a simple > ?book-keeping tool, instead of an accounting software that forces > ?me to do double entries. > > - all I need to do, that I can think of currently, is to track my > ?expenses: *when* I spend *how much*, that belongs to *which tax > ?category*, and calculate yearly CCA for me as well. > > - when next tax season comes, I can just get the *summary data*, > ?having properly pro-rated according to Canadian Tax laws, and > ?hand them over to my accountant, preferably in a format that > ?popular accounting/tax-preparing software can accept. I don't think you'll find much of anything relevant to this, and picking Windows-based software wouldn't be too likely to change that. I'll poke at CCA as a notable "for instance." Accounting software tends to be oriented towards presenting GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles) presentations of things, and the tax policy for CCA is about as not-GAAP as things get. There are GAAP depreciation policies that are a little like CCA, but the whole weird "claim half as much in year #1" bit doesn't fit with what you'll see in accounting texts. Determining which of the capital acquisitions fall under particular tax policies is a "taxation activity," definitely distinct from "financial accounting." That's one side of things, which might be summed up as "taxation's weird enough that forcing it into the bookkeeping seems to be a losing battle." (I'll observe that I once did work on data conversion where the accounting software *did* integrate a detailed evaluation of depreciation policies including those imposed by governments. This went to the arguably ridiculous extreme that they had 15 distinct "sets of books" for various interactions with different governments. I can't commend using SAP for your "bookkeeping" - it's pretty much "preposterously complicated like the Space Shuttle," with concordant astronomical license fees. That particular project apparently cost $35 million...) The OTHER side of things is that if you look at the Canadian tax software out there, none of it boasts about extensive capabilities to do data imports. No doubt things have changed more than a mite since the days when I was involved with massive amounts of tax preparation work, but back then, it wasn't evident that there would be huge opportunities to save effort by importing bunches of data into the tax software. There's plenty of value in making sure that it's easy for your accountant to grab some data from the G/L and turn it into spreadsheets that might be used to back up tax forms. But that's rather more a general principle of having "open data formats" than anything really tax-oriented. > Further: > > - Do you need to track your expenses? > - Do you use Linux solution to do that? > - How do you it? > - What else in your practises that I haven't thought of? > > Could you post back or blog about it and give me a link please? http://linuxdatabases.info/info/finances.html Historically, I have worked on: a) cbb (I didn't name it, but based on the initials, I just HAD to!) b) GnuCash c) SQLLedger d) Bit on LedgerSMB I have a LedgerSMB instance kicking around that I use for some of my stuff. I use Ledger, a purely text-based system, for GTALUG finances. https://github.com/jwiegley/ledger Sometimes, I access it using the compatible HLedger (in Haskell) - http://hledger.org Over time, I'm getting to be keener on options that have fewer moving parts, and Ledger/HLedger definitely qualify well in that regard! They're not multi-user friendly, but that's not necessarily a problem everyone needs solved. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 26 19:04:22 2011 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:04:22 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors Message-ID: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/04/last-typewriter-factory- in-the-world-shuts-its-doors/237838/ And so an era finally comes to an end - not with a bang, but a whimper. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 26 19:54:48 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Typewriter manufacturers should have re-designed it to function with computer, rather than as competing and independent device. Cut out the keyboard and use AT5/PS2 computer keyboard instead. Put serial port so that you can print from computer. They tried to compete with computer, by putting floppy disks, monitor, word processing function, etc. ----- Original Message ---- > From: Gary Layng > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 3:04:22 PM > Subject: [TLUG]: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors > > http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/04/last-typewriter-factory- > in-the-world-shuts-its-doors/237838/ > > And so an era finally comes to an end - not with a bang, but a whimper. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 26 20:03:31 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:03:31 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <368696.19355.qm-iGg6QNsgFOE5A34FEqDeB/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:54:48PM -0700, William Park wrote: > Typewriter manufacturers should have re-designed it to function with computer, > rather than as competing and independent device. Cut out the keyboard and use > AT5/PS2 computer keyboard instead. Put serial port so that you can print from > computer. They tried to compete with computer, by putting floppy disks, > monitor, word processing function, etc. Then they would have had to add paper loading ability. Manual page loads are not great for a computer. If you want an impact printer for a computer, Epson still makes some very nice ones. Type writers didn't stand a chance, unless they kept prices down. Anything to make them work with computers would be making them more expensive. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 26 20:04:41 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:04:41 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <368696.19355.qm-iGg6QNsgFOE5A34FEqDeB/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DB72559.9040509@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > Typewriter manufacturers should have re-designed it to function with computer, > rather than as competing and independent device. It's been done! https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/IBM_Selectric The Selectric typewriter was modified to create a computer terminal. You'd often see them used by bank tellers. Also, back in the mid '70s, there were plenty of schemes to use typewriters as computer terminals. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 26 20:20:45 2011 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:20:45 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <4DB72559.9040509-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DB72559.9040509@rogers.com> Message-ID: <060e996e242ffbcf6d80e30a49fc1c31.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> When my daughter was about 10, some years ago now, she saw her first manual typewriter. "Dad!" she says in great excitement, "This is great. You just put in some paper and then you hit the key and then it prints immediately! You don't need a computer!" I had to spoil the moment by asking "Yeah, sure. Show me how you make a correction." (In fact, that typewriter had built in correcting white tape that was invoked with backspacing.) Years ago, as word processing was just becoming available, I was espousing the benefits to a grizzled editor at Maclean-Hunter. "You can move paragraphs!" I told him. "Peter," he says, "I have never moved a goddamn paragraph in my life." (He probably moved them around while still in his wetware RAM.) More recently, I was over at the Harbord Bakery and Raffi, the owner, showed me a nice little manual typewriter he had found. He said he intended to use it for multi-part forms. I actually owned an electric Smith Corona typewriter where the keys had been rearranged to suit the Dvorak keyboard. When word processing came along, I ditched it at Goodwill. I wonder if anyone else ever figured it out what was going on. Maybe they could have used it as an encrypting device. Then I rewired, by hand, using #30 wire wrap wire, an entire Commodore PET keyboard to the Dvorak layout. Man, was I happy when the Dvorak layout could be done in software. Peter > William Park wrote: >> Typewriter manufacturers should have re-designed it to function with >> computer, >> rather than as competing and independent device. > It's been done! > https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/IBM_Selectric > > The Selectric typewriter was modified to create a computer terminal. > You'd often see them used by bank tellers. > > Also, back in the mid '70s, there were plenty of schemes to use > typewriters as computer terminals. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 26 21:12:10 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:12:10 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <4DB72559.9040509-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DB72559.9040509@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:04 PM, James Knott wrote: > William Park wrote: >> >> Typewriter manufacturers should have re-designed it to function with >> computer, >> rather than as competing and independent device. > > It's been done! https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/IBM_Selectric There is at least one firm selling a kit to convert old typewriters for use as USB keyboards (and this firm also sells pre-converted manual typewriters) : http://www.etsy.com/listing/49720392/diy-usb-typewriter-conversion-kit . Cute and neat... Also in the cute and neat class are the steampunk fans who start with computer keyboards and add in parts from old typewriters (along with other bits). The end result are keyboards that end up looking like quasi-Victorian era, one example of this sort of keyboard can be seen here: http://steampunkworkshop.com/keyboard.shtml . > The Selectric typewriter was modified to create a computer terminal. ?You'd > often see them used by bank tellers. > > Also, back in the mid '70s, there were plenty of schemes to use typewriters > as computer terminals. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 26 21:44:39 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:44:39 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <20110426200331.GB347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > If you want an impact printer for a computer, Epson still makes some > very nice ones. > Though do note how expensive 9-pin printers are now compared to the 1980s. True, they've sprouted neat features like Ethernet and USB, but deep down, they're still an FX-80 at the core. Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ - 73 de VA3PID -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 26 21:50:16 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:50:16 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Stewart Russell wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: >> >> If you want an impact printer for a computer, Epson still makes some >> very nice ones. > > Though do note how expensive 9-pin printers are now compared to the 1980s. > True, they've sprouted neat features like Ethernet and USB, but deep down, > they're still an FX-80 at the core. Yes, but... There are some firms that for one reason or another DEPEND on multi-part forms (that require impact printers), most firms, and most situations are well served by laser / inkjet printers. So, while there is a steady / modest market for impact printers it is no longer part of the computer mainstream. Sad, but true, specialty items command a specialty item price tag... Colin McGregor > ?Stewart > > -- > http://scruss.com/blog/ - 73 de VA3PID > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 27 14:41:09 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:41:09 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <4DB72559.9040509-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DB72559.9040509@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110427144109.GC347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 04:04:41PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > It's been done! https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/IBM_Selectric > > The Selectric typewriter was modified to create a computer terminal. > You'd often see them used by bank tellers. > > Also, back in the mid '70s, there were plenty of schemes to use > typewriters as computer terminals. Well that would be a teletype I guess. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 27 14:49:26 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:49:26 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110427144926.GD347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 05:44:39PM -0400, Stewart Russell wrote: > Though do note how expensive 9-pin printers are now compared to the 1980s. > True, they've sprouted neat features like Ethernet and USB, but deep down, > they're still an FX-80 at the core. Forget 9 pin. Get a 24 pin LQ series. :) But yes they do still have FX series. FX-300+ II has USB, parallel and serial interfaces. Talk about legacy ports still being around. And of course the FX-890 (and 890N with 10/100 Ethernet built in). Prices from $250 to $700. For crazy, the 9 pin DFX-9000 will manage 10 copies at once with wide paper, and costs $3400. The 24 pin LQ costs only slightly more than the 9 pin and sure print nicer. They seem to have to go down to 5 or 6 copies from the 7 most of the 9 pin can do though. I guess smaller pins means slightly less impact force. They sure were cheaper in the past when they were made in higher volumes. I used to have a Star NX-1000 Rainbow (9 pin colour). Those things were nearly indestructible. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 27 14:50:29 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:50:29 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 05:50:16PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > Yes, but... There are some firms that for one reason or another DEPEND > on multi-part forms (that require impact printers), most firms, and > most situations are well served by laser / inkjet printers. So, while > there is a steady / modest market for impact printers it is no longer > part of the computer mainstream. Sad, but true, specialty items > command a specialty item price tag... Whatever happened to daisy wheel printers? They had beautiful letters, but of course no graphics at all. Those were pretty much computer controlled electronic typewriters. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 27 14:54:24 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:54:24 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <20110427144109.GC347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4DB72559.9040509@rogers.com> <20110427144109.GC347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DB82E20.4090601@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> Also, back in the mid '70s, there were plenty of schemes to use >> > typewriters as computer terminals. >> > Well that would be a teletype I guess. > No, teletypes had long been used as computer terminals. However, back in the mid '70s, when personal computers started to becompe popular, a teletype could cost as much as your computer, so some inexpensive means of output was desired. There were attempts to mechanically operate a typewriter, with a device that was positioned over the keyboard and controlled by the computer. Some people, such as myself, were able to purchase used or surplus teletypes for low cost. I was able to buy a Teletype Model 35 ASR from my employer for $150. The ASR included paper tape punch and reader. As earlier in my career I used to overhaul those machines, I had no problem configuring and maintaining it. I used it with my IMSAI 8080 computer. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 27 18:25:18 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:25:18 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <20110427145029.GE347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 05:50:16PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: >> Yes, but... There are some firms that for one reason or another DEPEND >> on multi-part forms (that require impact printers), most firms, and >> most situations are well served by laser / inkjet printers. So, while >> there is a steady / modest market for impact printers it is no longer >> part of the computer mainstream. Sad, but true, specialty items >> command a specialty item price tag... > > Whatever happened to daisy wheel printers? ?They had beautiful letters, > but of course no graphics at all. ?Those were pretty much computer > controlled electronic typewriters. Yes, last time I crossed paths with a daisy wheel printer was about 1990. I was the IT department for a small real estate developer, and at the time the firm had a secretary typing out cheques that had to go out. To my mind this was silly, and when I found a Xerox daisy wheel serial printer gathering dust in the office I saw a solution. So, a BIG heavy printer with fantastic print quality, loud, and slow compared to other printers, but a LOT faster than having a secretary type things... I suspect speed is why the dot matrix printers have held on in the market while daisy wheels have all but disappeared. Colin. > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 27 19:45:22 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:45:22 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <20110427145029.GE347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 27 April 2011 10:50, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Whatever happened to daisy wheel printers? ?They had beautiful letters, > but of course no graphics at all. Actually, some daisy wheel printers did have limited graphics capability. I have a Diablo 630 printer (actually 2, 1 serial & 1 parallel) which can use the period to draw bitmap graphics and vector lines. There are built in modes and commands to support these functions and the paper and head movement mechanisms allow pixel sized movements. The plastic wheels had the period symbol metal plated to extend its life when used for this purpose. The Wikipedia article on daisy wheel printers has a brief description of this: -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 27 23:25:19 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell reiter) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:25:19 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: My high school had a working Linotype machine. I had to learn how to hand set type out of the California Job Case before the teacher would let me set type for the school newsletter. A linotype was a typewriting machine connected to a small lead foundry. It had three carousels which could rotate into service and you had three different font sizes or combinations of fonts during a run. You had to fire this thing up and melt the lead for casting to get started. You would visually scan the line of text to be cast, then decide generally how close the text would come to the end of the slug. Then you would space between each word using either an EM quad or EN (nut) quad, which was a blank space the size of either the capital M or N of the font you were using. The better you got at it, the fewer of the variable spacers you had to use. The variable spacers were tapered wedges which automatically adjusted when the casting was started. They would throw off the scansion of the prose if you had to use too many of them. Two rules in the printing room were, "don't spit in the lead pot" (it spits back) and "don't get your nuts in an em quad", meaning don't plan to use two en quads in a line when you could use an em quad. Font metrics are all pretty much automatic now, the computer decides how far to put the o from the T in To. It took quite a bit of skill to be a line-o-type writer. The name was copyrighted as Linotype by one of the groups working on automating typesetting. Mark Twain went broke backing his own invention and moved to Paris to raise money to cover his debt. Incidentally the first typewriters were the operators of the typewriting machines and the qwerty keyboard was designed to slow the operator down so as not to jam up the keys. On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Scott Allen wrote: > On 27 April 2011 10:50, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> Whatever happened to daisy wheel printers? ?They had beautiful letters, >> but of course no graphics at all. > > Actually, some daisy wheel printers did have limited graphics > capability. I have a Diablo 630 printer (actually 2, 1 serial & 1 > parallel) which can use the period to draw bitmap graphics and vector > lines. There are built in modes and commands to support these > functions and the paper and head movement mechanisms allow pixel sized > movements. The plastic wheels had the period symbol metal plated to > extend its life when used for this purpose. > > The Wikipedia article on daisy wheel printers has a brief description of this: > > > -- > Scott > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 27 23:42:01 2011 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:42:01 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 27 April 2011 19:25, Russell reiter wrote: > [...] the qwerty keyboard was designed to slow the > operator down so as not to jam up the keys. This often quoted myth is not true. It was designed to reduce jamming so the operator could type FASTER. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 27 23:48:04 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell reiter) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:48:04 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: More efficiently. You can produce a lot more type if your not fixing some cock up you could have avoided. On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Scott Allen wrote: > On 27 April 2011 19:25, Russell reiter wrote: >> [...] the qwerty keyboard was designed to slow the >> operator down so as not to jam up the keys. > > This often quoted myth is not true. It was designed to reduce jamming > so the operator could type FASTER. > > > -- > Scott > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 27 19:03:36 2011 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:03:36 -0400 Subject: anyone know blender [or similar] (and looking for a small project) Message-ID: Hmm, I guess I put the bulk of the details in the subject... Regards, -- G. Matthew Rice ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? gpg id: EF9AAD20 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 01:19:46 2011 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:19:46 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110428011946.GA3244@node1.opengeometry.net> By the way, what tools do professionals use nowdays? TeX is the only tool I know, but I doubt if people use that. -- William On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 07:48:04PM -0400, Russell reiter wrote: > More efficiently. You can produce a lot more type if your not fixing > some cock up you could have avoided. > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Scott Allen wrote: > > On 27 April 2011 19:25, Russell reiter wrote: > >> [...] the qwerty keyboard was designed to slow the > >> operator down so as not to jam up the keys. > > > > This often quoted myth is not true. It was designed to reduce jamming > > so the operator could type FASTER. > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 01:23:55 2011 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:23:55 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <20110428011946.GA3244-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110428011946.GA3244@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <58c590420094f9a4da15b92287cea8a1.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> I've written two books using (La)Tex, and I'm just in the process of reading a third one that was evidently typeset with some variant of TeX. It's an amazing tool for scientific/technical writing. Peter > By the way, what tools do professionals use nowdays? TeX is the only > tool I know, but I doubt if people use that. > -- > William > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 07:48:04PM -0400, Russell reiter wrote: >> More efficiently. You can produce a lot more type if your not fixing >> some cock up you could have avoided. >> >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Scott Allen wrote: >> > On 27 April 2011 19:25, Russell reiter wrote: >> >> [...] the qwerty keyboard was designed to slow the >> >> operator down so as not to jam up the keys. >> > >> > This often quoted myth is not true. It was designed to reduce jamming >> > so the operator could type FASTER. >> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 02:21:50 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:21:50 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <20110428011946.GA3244-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110428011946.GA3244@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20110428022149.GA12733@amber> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 09:19:46PM -0400, William Park wrote: > By the way, what tools do professionals use nowdays? TeX is the only > tool I know, but I doubt if people use that. TeX, and in fact, plain TeX. I produce critical editions of texts with it. So do many scholars. I have seen editions in English, Latin, Greek, Arabic, and Hebrew, all set with TeX. Math journals are well-nigh universally set in some version of TeX (usually with AMSTeX). Cambridge University Press typesets its "Companion" series of volumes using LaTeX. And so on. If you want high-quality typesetting and beautiful books, TeX is still a major player. The things it does well (most things), it does extremely well, a testament to Donald Knuth. It does show its age in spots, and there are several competitors for "successor" status: XeTeX, for instance. But plain TeX can still be set up to do just about anything, since it is not so much a typesetting program as it is a typesetting programming language. People can do simply *amazing* things with it. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 12:33:27 2011 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:33:27 -0400 Subject: WRT54GL cheap (refurb) Message-ID: http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=56129&vpn=WRT54GL-RM&manufacture=Linksys&promoid=1097 Linksys WRT54GL "Linux Version" (whatever that means ... did they already flash the firmware?) refurbished, $25. Plus of course the fine print: "does not include shipping, handling, or taxes, limited time offer etc. etc." It's a good price if you don't mind refurb and wireless-G. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gron.arthur-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 13:27:27 2011 From: gron.arthur-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Gron Arthur) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:27:27 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <20110428022149.GA12733@amber> References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110428011946.GA3244@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110428022149.GA12733@amber> Message-ID: I'm not a fan of pdf books. With HTML I can copy and paste easily - that's what I'm interested in. Form follows function. On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Peter King wrote: > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 09:19:46PM -0400, William Park wrote: > >> By the way, what tools do professionals use nowdays? ?TeX is the only >> tool I know, but I doubt if people use that. > > TeX, and in fact, plain TeX. I produce critical editions of texts with it. > So do many scholars. I have seen editions in English, Latin, Greek, Arabic, > and Hebrew, all set with TeX. > > Math journals are well-nigh universally set in some version of TeX (usually > with AMSTeX). Cambridge University Press typesets its "Companion" series > of volumes using LaTeX. And so on. > > If you want high-quality typesetting and beautiful books, TeX is still a > major player. The things it does well (most things), it does extremely well, > a testament to Donald Knuth. It does show its age in spots, and there are > several competitors for "successor" status: XeTeX, for instance. But plain > TeX can still be set up to do just about anything, since it is not so much > a typesetting program as it is a typesetting programming language. People > can do simply *amazing* things with it. > > -- > Peter King ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > Department of Philosophy > 170 St. George Street #521 > The University of Toronto ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (416)-978-4951 ofc > Toronto, ON ?M5R 2M8 > ? ? ? CANADA > > http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ > > ========================================================================= > GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC ?36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 13:35:24 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:35:24 -0400 Subject: WRT54GL cheap (refurb) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Giles Orr wrote: > http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=56129&vpn=WRT54GL-RM&manufacture=Linksys&promoid=1097 > > Linksys WRT54GL "Linux Version" (whatever that means ... did they > already flash the firmware?) refurbished, $25. ?Plus of course the > fine print: "does not include shipping, handling, or taxes, limited > time offer etc. etc." ?It's a good price if you don't mind refurb and > wireless-G. A bit of history here... First you had the WRT54G router which in versions 1 to 4 had 16 MB of flash memory and 4 MB of RAM. Versions 1 to 4 also had a Linux kernel and after foot dragging (and lawsuit) Linksys released the source code, this was followed by the community creating Linux firmware to replace the Linksys supplied firmware (best known replacements being Tomato Linux and DD-WRT (there are others)). This then created a small cottage industry of creating custom routers for specific tasks, like how would you like the Asterix PBX software on your router (this has been done)... After version 4 of the WRT54G Linksys made the router with 8MB of flash, 4 MB of RAM and a proprietary OS. While very stripped Linux versions have been made to run on the post version 4 WRT54G, options are rather limited. The good news, Linksys has continued to build what are in effect version 4 WRT54G routers under the name WRT54GL (and yes the WRT54GL has a Linux kernel...). So, if you want to be able to fairly painlessly modify your router have a close look at the WRT54GL, one of the old version 1 to 4 WRT54G routers, or the early WRT54GS (versions 1 to 3 had 32 MB flash and 8 MB RAM). For my home network, I have a WRT54GS version 2 and a WRT54G version 3 both currently running Tomato Linux :-) . So, a $25 router that you can easily customize, well, if I didn't already have an early WRT54G, I'd want a WRT54GL :-) . Colin McGregor For a detailed list of the WRT54G series routers and their specs see : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 13:55:03 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:55:03 -0400 Subject: WRT54GL cheap (refurb) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DB971B7.3080003@rogers.com> Giles Orr wrote: > Linksys WRT54GL "Linux Version" (whatever that means ... did they > already flash the firmware?) That model originally ran Linux right out of the box. IIRC, they're using something else for later models. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 13:56:12 2011 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:56:12 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110428011946.GA3244@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110428022149.GA12733@amber> Message-ID: <3c3dd2ca2492208d3912528d3cd20b3d.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> LaTeX can ultimately produce a document in various formats, including HTML and PDF. > I'm not a fan of pdf books. With HTML I can copy and paste easily - > that's what I'm interested in. Form follows function. > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Peter King > wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 09:19:46PM -0400, William Park wrote: >> >>> By the way, what tools do professionals use nowdays? ?TeX is the only >>> tool I know, but I doubt if people use that. >> >> TeX, and in fact, plain TeX. I produce critical editions of texts with >> it. >> So do many scholars. I have seen editions in English, Latin, Greek, >> Arabic, >> and Hebrew, all set with TeX. >> >> Math journals are well-nigh universally set in some version of TeX >> (usually >> with AMSTeX). Cambridge University Press typesets its "Companion" series >> of volumes using LaTeX. And so on. >> >> If you want high-quality typesetting and beautiful books, TeX is still a >> major player. The things it does well (most things), it does extremely >> well, >> a testament to Donald Knuth. It does show its age in spots, and there >> are >> several competitors for "successor" status: XeTeX, for instance. But >> plain >> TeX can still be set up to do just about anything, since it is not so >> much >> a typesetting program as it is a typesetting programming language. >> People >> can do simply *amazing* things with it. >> >> -- >> Peter King ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org >> Department of Philosophy >> 170 St. George Street #521 >> The University of Toronto ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (416)-978-4951 ofc >> Toronto, ON ?M5R 2M8 >> ? ? ? CANADA >> >> http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ >> >> ========================================================================= >> GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC ?36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 >> EC42) >> gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 14:28:07 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:28:07 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110428011946.GA3244@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110428022149.GA12733@amber> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Gron Arthur wrote: > I'm not a fan of pdf books. With HTML I can copy and paste easily - > that's what I'm interested in. Form follows function. > > Well-designed PDF should be able to copied from - *if* the author lets you, that is. There's a whole bunch of stuff in the more recent version of the PDF specs which allow for reflowable text for ebooks and accessibility. Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ - 73 de VA3PID -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 14:40:11 2011 From: el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:40:11 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <20110428011946.GA3244-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110428011946.GA3244@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: I've been using DocBook XML v5 and customizations to the default DocBook XSL stylesheets. We produce PDF and HTML from the same sources, using GNU make. For cutting and pasting from PDF, try this: pdf2svg. I routinely snarf full-quality vector graphics from PDFs and merrily edit them in Inkscape. And then, of course, include the SVG in my DocBook publications. Raster's for old web browsers... Cheers, Mike On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 9:19 PM, William Park wrote: > By the way, what tools do professionals use nowdays? ?TeX is the only > tool I know, but I doubt if people use that. > -- > William > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 15:32:51 2011 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:32:51 -0400 Subject: anyone know blender [or similar] (and looking for a small project) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DB988A3.1090407@ve3syb.ca> G. Matthew Rice wrote: > Hmm, I guess I put the bulk of the details in the subject... Ok, you have piqued my curiosity. What sort of small project do you have in mind that would require Blender? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 16:07:48 2011 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:07:48 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110428011946.GA3244@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110428022149.GA12733@amber> Message-ID: <20110428160748.GA30457@amber> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 09:27:27AM -0400, Gron Arthur wrote: > I'm not a fan of pdf books. With HTML I can copy and paste easily - > that's what I'm interested in. Form follows function. TeX can generate pdf (there is even a version, pdfTeX, that produces such files directly rather than dvi output)> TeX can also, with minor effort, produce reasonable html. However, I was addressing what tools professionals use these days -- which I took to be a question about tools used to produce high-quality output, which still means printed books. TeX can and does drive Varitype printers, and is the final stage in many book-production presses. Because Knuth made some clever design decisions, it produces excellent output even on low-resolution output devices (like 2400dpi laser printers). It was even better on nine-pin dot matrix printers, all because Knuth used sophisticated line-breaking algorithms and page-description measurements (including his own version of kerning tables). For easy copy-and-paste I prefer straight ASCII text (or Unicode). -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 16:08:21 2011 From: avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Volkov) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:08:21 -0400 Subject: WRT54GL cheap (refurb) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think you've got amount of RAM and Flash wrong. >From wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series WRT54GL has 4MB of flash and 16MB of RAM. Which makes sense as routers need to store state info and all the services that would use more memory than just what they have on flash, in addition flash filesystem is usually squashfs which supports compression. Of course the models that have 32MB of ram 8MB of flash are the best. Although my prefered router right now is tl-wr1043nd I give so much love for it because it runs OpenWRT out of the box, and runs it pretty well. Alex. On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Giles Orr wrote: >> http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=56129&vpn=WRT54GL-RM&manufacture=Linksys&promoid=1097 >> >> Linksys WRT54GL "Linux Version" (whatever that means ... did they >> already flash the firmware?) refurbished, $25. ?Plus of course the >> fine print: "does not include shipping, handling, or taxes, limited >> time offer etc. etc." ?It's a good price if you don't mind refurb and >> wireless-G. > > A bit of history here... First you had the WRT54G router which in > versions 1 to 4 had 16 MB of flash memory and 4 MB of RAM. Versions 1 > to 4 also had a Linux kernel and after foot dragging (and lawsuit) > Linksys released the source code, this was followed by the community > creating Linux firmware to replace the Linksys supplied firmware (best > known replacements being Tomato Linux and DD-WRT (there are others)). > This then created a small cottage industry of creating custom routers > for specific tasks, like how would you like the Asterix PBX software > on your router (this has been done)... After version 4 of the WRT54G > Linksys made the router with 8MB of flash, 4 MB of RAM and a > proprietary OS. While very stripped Linux versions have been made to > run on the post version 4 WRT54G, options are rather limited. The good > news, Linksys has continued to build what are in effect version 4 > WRT54G routers under the name WRT54GL (and yes the WRT54GL has a Linux > kernel...). So, if you want to be able to fairly painlessly modify > your router have a close look at the WRT54GL, one of the old version 1 > to 4 WRT54G routers, or the early WRT54GS (versions 1 to 3 had 32 MB > flash and 8 MB RAM). > > For my home network, I have a WRT54GS version 2 and a WRT54G version 3 > both currently running Tomato Linux :-) . > > So, a $25 router that you can easily customize, well, if I didn't > already have an early WRT54G, I'd want a WRT54GL :-) . > > > Colin McGregor > > For a detailed list of the WRT54G series routers and their specs see : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series > >> -- >> Giles >> http://www.gilesorr.com/ >> gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 16:22:12 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:22:12 -0400 Subject: WRT54GL cheap (refurb) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110428162212.GF347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 09:35:24AM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > A bit of history here... First you had the WRT54G router which in > versions 1 to 4 had 16 MB of flash memory and 4 MB of RAM. Versions 1 > to 4 also had a Linux kernel and after foot dragging (and lawsuit) > Linksys released the source code, this was followed by the community > creating Linux firmware to replace the Linksys supplied firmware (best > known replacements being Tomato Linux and DD-WRT (there are others)). > This then created a small cottage industry of creating custom routers > for specific tasks, like how would you like the Asterix PBX software > on your router (this has been done)... After version 4 of the WRT54G > Linksys made the router with 8MB of flash, 4 MB of RAM and a > proprietary OS. While very stripped Linux versions have been made to > run on the post version 4 WRT54G, options are rather limited. The good > news, Linksys has continued to build what are in effect version 4 > WRT54G routers under the name WRT54GL (and yes the WRT54GL has a Linux > kernel...). So, if you want to be able to fairly painlessly modify > your router have a close look at the WRT54GL, one of the old version 1 > to 4 WRT54G routers, or the early WRT54GS (versions 1 to 3 had 32 MB > flash and 8 MB RAM). > > For my home network, I have a WRT54GS version 2 and a WRT54G version 3 > both currently running Tomato Linux :-) . > > So, a $25 router that you can easily customize, well, if I didn't > already have an early WRT54G, I'd want a WRT54GL :-) . To earlier versions also used a miniPCI wifi which could be swapped to a better supported one. The newer ones (including the GL of course) is all integrated, so you are stuck with the broadcom wifi. I wonder how the reverse engineered driver is coming along. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gron.arthur-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 16:37:37 2011 From: gron.arthur-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Gron Arthur) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:37:37 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <20110428160748.GA30457@amber> References: <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110428011946.GA3244@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110428022149.GA12733@amber> <20110428160748.GA30457@amber> Message-ID: I lament the death of web 1.0, like those that reflect on the passing of the typewriter, with web1 hobbiest could produce informative web pages with little effort. There was ownership of the work produced, with people having to rent a bit of server space. Yes with the cloud and web 2.0 you could do more things, interesting things, but at least for a moment in the late 90s there was still a youthful spirit to the endeavor. Now advertising has crept into everything, phones and devices are locked down. We've moved from the 'Endless September' of people learning the social norms of the net to letting ourselves be constrained by companies disabling features to dumb down and profit from our learned ignorance and breed apathy. Perhaps we need a funeral for the typewriter and web 1.0 like the "Death of the Hippie" ceremony in 1967. On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Peter King wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 09:27:27AM -0400, Gron Arthur wrote: > >> I'm not a fan of pdf books. ?With HTML I can copy and paste easily - >> that's what I'm interested in. ?Form follows function. > > TeX can generate pdf (there is even a version, pdfTeX, that produces > such files directly rather than dvi output)> TeX can also, with minor > effort, produce reasonable html. > > However, I was addressing what tools professionals use these days -- > which I took to be a question about tools used to produce high-quality > output, which still means printed books. TeX can and does drive Varitype > printers, and is the final stage in many book-production presses. Because > Knuth made some clever design decisions, it produces excellent output > even on low-resolution output devices (like 2400dpi laser printers). It > was even better on nine-pin dot matrix printers, all because Knuth used > sophisticated line-breaking algorithms and page-description measurements > (including his own version of kerning tables). > > For easy copy-and-paste I prefer straight ASCII text (or Unicode). > > -- > Peter King ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > Department of Philosophy > 170 St. George Street #521 > The University of Toronto ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (416)-978-4951 ofc > Toronto, ON ?M5R 2M8 > ? ? ? CANADA > > http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ > > ========================================================================= > GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC ?36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 17:05:50 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:05:50 -0400 Subject: WRT54GL cheap (refurb) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Alex Volkov wrote: > I think you've got amount of RAM and Flash wrong. Yes, typo on my part. > From wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series > WRT54GL has 4MB of flash and 16MB of RAM. Which makes sense as routers > need to store state info and all the services that would use more > memory than just what they have on flash, in addition flash filesystem > is usually squashfs which supports compression. Of course the models > that have 32MB of ram 8MB of flash are the best. > > Although my prefered router right now is ?tl-wr1043nd I give so much > love for it because it runs OpenWRT out of the box, and runs it pretty > well. Good point, the likes of OpenWRT and some of the other Linux router distributions will run on multiple brands of routers. For example you can see a list of what Tomato will run on here : www.polarcloud.com/tomatofaq#what_will_this_run_on . The comparable list for OpenWRT can be seen here : http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start . The things going for the Linksys routers like the WRT54GL are, they are easily found, (usually) very reliable, and inexpensive. But if you have (or can easily/inexpensively get) one of the other supported routers go for it, drop in a replacement firmware and have some fun. Colin McGregor > Alex. > > > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Giles Orr wrote: >>> http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=56129&vpn=WRT54GL-RM&manufacture=Linksys&promoid=1097 >>> >>> Linksys WRT54GL "Linux Version" (whatever that means ... did they >>> already flash the firmware?) refurbished, $25. ?Plus of course the >>> fine print: "does not include shipping, handling, or taxes, limited >>> time offer etc. etc." ?It's a good price if you don't mind refurb and >>> wireless-G. >> >> A bit of history here... First you had the WRT54G router which in >> versions 1 to 4 had 16 MB of flash memory and 4 MB of RAM. Versions 1 >> to 4 also had a Linux kernel and after foot dragging (and lawsuit) >> Linksys released the source code, this was followed by the community >> creating Linux firmware to replace the Linksys supplied firmware (best >> known replacements being Tomato Linux and DD-WRT (there are others)). >> This then created a small cottage industry of creating custom routers >> for specific tasks, like how would you like the Asterix PBX software >> on your router (this has been done)... After version 4 of the WRT54G >> Linksys made the router with 8MB of flash, 4 MB of RAM and a >> proprietary OS. While very stripped Linux versions have been made to >> run on the post version 4 WRT54G, options are rather limited. The good >> news, Linksys has continued to build what are in effect version 4 >> WRT54G routers under the name WRT54GL (and yes the WRT54GL has a Linux >> kernel...). So, if you want to be able to fairly painlessly modify >> your router have a close look at the WRT54GL, one of the old version 1 >> to 4 WRT54G routers, or the early WRT54GS (versions 1 to 3 had 32 MB >> flash and 8 MB RAM). >> >> For my home network, I have a WRT54GS version 2 and a WRT54G version 3 >> both currently running Tomato Linux :-) . >> >> So, a $25 router that you can easily customize, well, if I didn't >> already have an early WRT54G, I'd want a WRT54GL :-) . >> >> >> Colin McGregor >> >> For a detailed list of the WRT54G series routers and their specs see : >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series >> >>> -- >>> Giles >>> http://www.gilesorr.com/ >>> gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From self_same_self-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 17:21:48 2011 From: self_same_self-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sammy Lao) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:21:48 -0400 Subject: WRT54GL cheap (refurb) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: With a WRT54GL, you can do stuff like this: http://lifehacker.com/#!178132/hack-attack-turn-your-60-router-into-a-600-router There are also some dev's that are turning these things into little Plug Servers: Print Servers, File Servers, etc. http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Tomato_Firmware On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Alex Volkov wrote: >> I think you've got amount of RAM and Flash wrong. > > Yes, typo on my part. > >> From wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series >> WRT54GL has 4MB of flash and 16MB of RAM. Which makes sense as routers >> need to store state info and all the services that would use more >> memory than just what they have on flash, in addition flash filesystem >> is usually squashfs which supports compression. Of course the models >> that have 32MB of ram 8MB of flash are the best. >> >> Although my prefered router right now is ?tl-wr1043nd I give so much >> love for it because it runs OpenWRT out of the box, and runs it pretty >> well. > > Good point, the likes of OpenWRT and some of the other Linux router > distributions will run on multiple brands of routers. For example you > can see a list of what Tomato will run on here : > www.polarcloud.com/tomatofaq#what_will_this_run_on . The comparable > list for OpenWRT can be seen here : http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start > . > > The things going for the Linksys routers like the WRT54GL are, they > are easily found, (usually) very reliable, and inexpensive. But if you > have (or can easily/inexpensively get) one of the other supported > routers go for it, drop in a replacement firmware and have some fun. > > Colin McGregor > >> Alex. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Giles Orr wrote: >>>> http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=56129&vpn=WRT54GL-RM&manufacture=Linksys&promoid=1097 >>>> >>>> Linksys WRT54GL "Linux Version" (whatever that means ... did they >>>> already flash the firmware?) refurbished, $25. ?Plus of course the >>>> fine print: "does not include shipping, handling, or taxes, limited >>>> time offer etc. etc." ?It's a good price if you don't mind refurb and >>>> wireless-G. >>> >>> A bit of history here... First you had the WRT54G router which in >>> versions 1 to 4 had 16 MB of flash memory and 4 MB of RAM. Versions 1 >>> to 4 also had a Linux kernel and after foot dragging (and lawsuit) >>> Linksys released the source code, this was followed by the community >>> creating Linux firmware to replace the Linksys supplied firmware (best >>> known replacements being Tomato Linux and DD-WRT (there are others)). >>> This then created a small cottage industry of creating custom routers >>> for specific tasks, like how would you like the Asterix PBX software >>> on your router (this has been done)... After version 4 of the WRT54G >>> Linksys made the router with 8MB of flash, 4 MB of RAM and a >>> proprietary OS. While very stripped Linux versions have been made to >>> run on the post version 4 WRT54G, options are rather limited. The good >>> news, Linksys has continued to build what are in effect version 4 >>> WRT54G routers under the name WRT54GL (and yes the WRT54GL has a Linux >>> kernel...). So, if you want to be able to fairly painlessly modify >>> your router have a close look at the WRT54GL, one of the old version 1 >>> to 4 WRT54G routers, or the early WRT54GS (versions 1 to 3 had 32 MB >>> flash and 8 MB RAM). >>> >>> For my home network, I have a WRT54GS version 2 and a WRT54G version 3 >>> both currently running Tomato Linux :-) . >>> >>> So, a $25 router that you can easily customize, well, if I didn't >>> already have an early WRT54G, I'd want a WRT54GL :-) . >>> >>> >>> Colin McGregor >>> >>> For a detailed list of the WRT54G series routers and their specs see : >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series >>> >>>> -- >>>> Giles >>>> http://www.gilesorr.com/ >>>> gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >>>> -- >>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>> >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 17:42:18 2011 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:42:18 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110428011946.GA3244@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110428022149.GA12733@amber> <20110428160748.GA30457@amber> Message-ID: > > Perhaps we need a funeral for the typewriter and web 1.0 like the > "Death of the Hippie" ceremony in 1967. > Hippies never died. They moved to Saltspring Island in BC. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 19:07:20 2011 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:07:20 -0400 Subject: anyone know blender [or similar] (and looking for a small project) In-Reply-To: <4DB988A3.1090407-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4DB988A3.1090407@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Ok, you have piqued my curiosity. What sort of small project do you have in > mind that would require Blender? It's basically a 3D representation of some learning paths. I'll send you a styrofoam ball/toothpick mockup in a private e-mail to get a sense of what I'm talking about. Meanwhile, this tutorial: http://www.blendercookie.com/2010/11/04/creating-a-bunch-of-balloons/ Shows pretty much everything of what I'm looking for. Looks like a lot of GUI to learn, though. Regards, -- G. Matthew Rice ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? gpg id: EF9AAD20 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 28 19:24:47 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:24:47 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu 11.04 Message-ID: Just to note that Ubuntu version 11.04 ("Natty Narwhal") is now out and can be downloaded from the usual locations (like : www.ubuntu.com/download/server/download ). Also, on Saturday there will be a Toronto Ubuntu 11.04 release party, details to be seen here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/781/detail/ Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 06:14:04 2011 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 02:14:04 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu 11.04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DBA572C.6030902@gmail.com> On 11-04-28 03:24 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > Just to note that Ubuntu version 11.04 ("Natty Narwhal") is now out > and can be downloaded from the usual locations (like : > www.ubuntu.com/download/server/download ). > > Also, on Saturday there will be a Toronto Ubuntu 11.04 release party, > details to be seen here: > http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/781/detail/ > > > Colin McGregor > -- I did a upgrade test for Kubuntu 11.04 on my vmimage, not impressed with KDE, buggy GUI glitches. One was so bad with the file manager constant redrawing flickering. Also found I can't share folders now even after recompiling the kernel with vmware tool support. Which I suspect will also occur with Ubuntu since this more of a system facility issue. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rajinderyadav -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 06:42:50 2011 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 02:42:50 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu 11.04 - Returning to Gnome Message-ID: <4DBA5DEA.8010403@rogers.com> Conical has developed a new GUI called Unity, and it is the default beginning with 11.04. I gave it a try. A feature I could not live with was the location of an application's menu bar. In Unity, it has been taken away from the application window, and placed in the workspace's title bar. That is, the top of the screen, left justified. The foreground application determines the menu bar. So if a window is in the lower right of the screen, it is a long way to get to the menu. I could not find a way to change this. I could not find documentation for Unity, that was more than a beta description of its default behaviour. There is no configuration tool, other than some beta tools. Not ready for prime time. Fortunately, it is easy to switch to Gnome as the default. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 11:33:27 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell reiter) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:33:27 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <20110428011946.GA3244-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110428011946.GA3244@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: IBM GML and then SGML were the standardized computer markup language for many years. THis was at a time when there was no integrated text processing, mostly just line editing. HTML and later XML became the notable subsets of this language. Docbook switching from DSSSL to XML/XSLT popularized this format as a documentation standard today. XSLT has available templates for XSL formating objects, which can then be used to transmute text into a variety of document formats. However, sgml is the granddaddy language, albeit with a much more limited destination object vocabulary and far less human readable/understandable content. Russell On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 9:19 PM, William Park wrote: > By the way, what tools do professionals use nowdays? ?TeX is the only > tool I know, but I doubt if people use that. > -- > William > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 07:48:04PM -0400, Russell reiter wrote: >> More efficiently. You can produce a lot more type if your not fixing >> some cock up you could have avoided. >> >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Scott Allen wrote: >> > On 27 April 2011 19:25, Russell reiter wrote: >> >> [...] the qwerty keyboard was designed to slow the >> >> operator down so as not to jam up the keys. >> > >> > This often quoted myth is not true. It was designed to reduce jamming >> > so the operator could type FASTER. >> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 12:16:36 2011 From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 08:16:36 -0400 Subject: WRT54GL cheap (refurb) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for mentioning, just ordered one this morning. Now after I get it, what firmware do I put in? OpenWRT, Tomato, or DD-WRT? I was thinking of doing a bridge with my current WRT160N that runs DD-WRT. On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Giles Orr wrote: > > http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=56129&vpn=WRT54GL-RM&manufacture=Linksys&promoid=1097 > > Linksys WRT54GL "Linux Version" (whatever that means ... did they > already flash the firmware?) refurbished, $25. Plus of course the > fine print: "does not include shipping, handling, or taxes, limited > time offer etc. etc." It's a good price if you don't mind refurb and > wireless-G. > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Sadiq S http://asininetech.com https://launchpad.net/~staticsafe https://github.com/staticsafe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Other examples there are still buggy whip makers out there : realpages.com/sites/buggywhips/page3.html (catering to the likes of historical societies (and no doubt some are bought by people into seriously kinky...stuff)). As well there are still Morse code key makers : www.vibroplex.com (before an amateur radio operator is allowed to use some frequencies he/she must pass a Morse code test...). So, question is, what other technologies that most people would have thought dead/gone are still holding on by catering to a small niche market? Colin McGregor - VE3ZAA (yes I do own a Morse code key :-) ). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 13:13:07 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell reiter) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:13:07 -0400 Subject: Android and Huawei GSM modem - toronto dialup settings Message-ID: I did a fresh install of Debian squeeze and found that installing from the first cd only gave me the behaviour I expected from Linux. When I subsequently plugged in the phone, it was recognized immediatly as product id 1031 and not 1035. It would have been 1035, if it had been present during install process and been previously polled by udev's rules generator and subject to all the custom rules provided. This machine had a ethernet card but it wasn't connected to a lan or the internet. I set up networking during the install but since I couldn't connnect to a mirror, the network manager wasn't available. I could have used more cd's, but heck its more fun this way. I downloaded tclsh, usb_modeswitch, ppp and wvdial and related dependencies with my phone and used dpkg to install. The firmware info and udev rules from my previous post created ttyUSB0 through 4. Here's /etc/wvdial.conf with local settings for Wind in this area. [Dialer Defaults] Init1 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internet.windmobile.ca" Modem Type = USB Modem Phone =*99# ISDN = 0 Password = * New PPPD = yes Username = * Baud = 9600 Modem = /dev/ttyUSB0 Baud = 460800 Stupid Mode = 1 Stupid mode starts pppd right away without a prompt from the carrier. If you are using a Huawei stick you'd probably change internet.windmobile.ca --> broadband.windmobile.ca and most likely provide your username and password. I use dropbox on my pc. I was using it at a clients request, but when I saw it was available for Android, I just had to do this. Russell -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 13:29:34 2011 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:29:34 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On April 29, 2011 09:01:28 Colin McGregor wrote: > So, question is, what other technologies that most people would have > thought dead/gone are still holding on by catering to a small niche > market? Music turntables. Confederate States of America uniforms. These aren't just home-made, there are manufacturers out there turning them out to the original specifications. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 13:55:03 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:55:03 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Gary Layng wrote: > On April 29, 2011 09:01:28 Colin McGregor wrote: > >> So, question is, what other technologies that most people would have >> thought dead/gone are still holding on by catering to a small niche >> market? > > Music turntables. True, as an example : http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_electronics/technics_dj/prod_default_analog.asp > Confederate States of America uniforms. ?These aren't just home-made, there > are manufacturers out there turning them out to the original specifications. Costumes in general are not a technology. Still, some of the other things to support reenactments would count, like flint lock rifles : http://www.militaryheritage.com/muskets.htm . Colin McGregor > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 13:56:52 2011 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:56:52 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > > As well there are still Morse code key > makers : www.vibroplex.com (before an amateur radio operator is > allowed to use some frequencies he/she must pass a Morse code > test...). > Actually, as long as you get 80+% on the Basic test, you can use all the HF bands. The only things you can't do with a Basic licence is build a transmitter from scratch (kits are okay) or operate a repeater. Some of the newer repeaters are Linux boxes running Asterisk for nifty VOIP/radio links. It's an extraordinarily nerdy pastime, but fun - if expensive to set up. Some of the Amish/Mennonite/Plain Living catalogues are a trove of technology you'd thought was long gone, but still turned out by small foundries. The Amish plough was the quad core of its day, being able to work more land than anything else. Then they (mostly) decided that that was quite enough new technology. It's also only in the last few years that solar powered well pumps have beaten out the old Chicago farm windmill on cost and efficiency. Aermotor - http://www.aermotorwindmill.com/ - still make them like they did in the 19th century. And - unlike solar - you can still maintain them with not much more than a spud wrench and an oil can. Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ - 73 de VA3PID -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 15:41:54 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:41:54 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu 11.04 - Returning to Gnome In-Reply-To: <4DBA5DEA.8010403-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4DBA5DEA.8010403@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20110429154154.GG347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 02:42:50AM -0400, Stephen wrote: > Conical has developed a new GUI called Unity, and it is the default > beginning with 11.04. > > I gave it a try. > > A feature I could not live with was the location of an application's > menu bar. In Unity, it has been taken away from the application window, > and placed in the workspace's title bar. That is, the top of the screen, > left justified. > > The foreground application determines the menu bar. > > So if a window is in the lower right of the screen, it is a long way to > get to the menu. On the other hand you just hit the top edge of the screen and you are there. It worked great on the Amiga, and the Mac has always done it. To some extent everyone else has done it in a less efficient way. Why waste space for a menu bar in every window? Of course the amiga had the menu bar hidden and only showed up when you hit the right mouse button. The rest of the time it showed system status instead. I miss that. Unity sounds far from ready, but the menu location is probably one of the few good things they are doing so far. > I could not find a way to change this. I could not find documentation > for Unity, that was more than a beta description of its default > behaviour. > > There is no configuration tool, other than some beta tools. > > Not ready for prime time. > > Fortunately, it is easy to switch to Gnome as the default. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbc-gpQNmkgQrW4 at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 16:10:56 2011 From: cbc-gpQNmkgQrW4 at public.gmane.org (Chris Calloway) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:10:56 -0400 Subject: Toronto PyCamp 2011 Early Bird Registration Extended Through May 6 In-Reply-To: <4D9A48E8.40905-gpQNmkgQrW4@public.gmane.org> References: <4D9A48E8.40905@unc.edu> Message-ID: <4DBAE310.80900@unc.edu> Early Bird Registration for Toronto PyCamp 2011 has been extended through Friday, May 6. The University of Toronto Department of Physics brings PyCamp to Toronto on Monday, June 27 through Thursday, June 30, 2011. Register today at http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/torpy11/ For beginners, this ultra-low-cost Python Boot Camp makes you productive so you can get your work done quickly. PyCamp emphasizes the features which make Python a simpler and more efficient language. Following along with example Python PushUps? speeds your learning process. Become a self-sufficient Python developer in just four days at PyCamp! PyCamp is conducted on the campus of the University of Toronto in a state of the art high technology classroom. See who's coming to PyCamp: http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/torpy11/participants -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 17:12:13 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell reiter) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:12:13 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bakelite fountain pens. There's an incredible amount of traffic in these things on e-bay. Not just for the value of the gold in the nibs but some people sign all their documents with these pens. I wonder if you can still custom order MICR inks? Do heads of state still use MICR when they sign treaties? On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Gary Layng wrote: > On April 29, 2011 09:01:28 Colin McGregor wrote: > >> So, question is, what other technologies that most people would have >> thought dead/gone are still holding on by catering to a small niche >> market? > > Music turntables. > Confederate States of America uniforms. ?These aren't just home-made, there > are manufacturers out there turning them out to the original specifications. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 17:07:50 2011 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:07:50 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <20110428011946.GA3244-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <368696.19355.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20110426200331.GB347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110428011946.GA3244@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 9:19 PM, William Park wrote: > By the way, what tools do professionals use nowdays? ?TeX is the only > tool I know, but I doubt if people use that. The world is a big place, with a lot of radically different sorts of "professionals." - Since the American Mathematical Society specifies the use of TeX/LaTeX (http://www.ams.org/publications/authors/tex/latexbenefits), the publications it influences have a "certain influence" :-). - The professionals that manage the Internet specify the use of Plain ASCII Text. See RFC 1543. - There are doubtless sectors that have lately been fighting their way to and fro away from WordPerfect, which was a long time "standard," towards other things. WordPerfect was a relatively stable format, albeit with some proprietary ills. - Sorts of professionals that generate visually-oriented output have a history of preference for things such as QuarkXPress, Ventura Publisher, FrameMaker, Interleaf, likely combined with a willingness to fight and quit jobs should a shop head in a direction perceived as wrong. I'm sure people can think of other tools used in other sectors. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 17:40:47 2011 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:40:47 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69c98c7796efd2f32ed0f34c8764a372.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Vacuum tube audio amplifiers. I'm waiting for someone to come out with a vacuum tube version of the iPod. There is enough of a resurgence in interest that there is at least one technical book on their design, and Creatron (on College at Spadina) is selling vacuum tubes. There are also some low-voltage battery-operated models of tubes, one of which is the basis for an educational kit. Relay computers. There are some astonishing examples of relay-based computers done by hobbyists. > Bakelite fountain pens. There's an incredible amount of traffic in > these things on e-bay. Not just for the value of the gold in the nibs > but some people sign all their documents with these pens. > > I wonder if you can still custom order MICR inks? > > Do heads of state still use MICR when they sign treaties? > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Gary Layng wrote: >> On April 29, 2011 09:01:28 Colin McGregor wrote: >> >>> So, question is, what other technologies that most people would have >>> thought dead/gone are still holding on by catering to a small niche >>> market? >> >> Music turntables. >> Confederate States of America uniforms. ?These aren't just home-made, >> there >> are manufacturers out there turning them out to the original >> specifications. >> >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 18:06:06 2011 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:06:06 -0400 Subject: Android and Huawei GSM modem - toronto dialup settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Russel for sharing, I think my sister is buying one of these and will need my help on it later on :) On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Russell reiter wrote: > I did a fresh install of Debian squeeze and found that installing from > the first cd only gave me the behaviour I expected from Linux. When I > subsequently plugged in the phone, it was recognized immediatly as > product id 1031 and not 1035. It would have been 1035, if it had been > present during install process and been previously polled by udev's > rules generator and subject to all the custom rules provided. > > This machine had a ethernet card but it wasn't connected to a lan or > the internet. I set up networking during the install but since I > couldn't connnect to a mirror, the network manager wasn't available. I > could have used more cd's, but heck its more fun this way. > > I downloaded tclsh, usb_modeswitch, ppp and wvdial and related > dependencies with my phone and used dpkg to install. The firmware info > and udev rules from my previous post created ttyUSB0 through 4. > > Here's /etc/wvdial.conf with local settings for Wind in this area. > > [Dialer Defaults] > Init1 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internet.windmobile.ca" > Modem Type = USB Modem > Phone =*99# > ISDN = 0 > Password = * > New PPPD = yes > Username = * > Baud = 9600 > Modem = /dev/ttyUSB0 > Baud = 460800 > Stupid Mode = 1 > > Stupid mode starts pppd right away without a prompt from the carrier. > If you are using a Huawei stick you'd probably change > internet.windmobile.ca --> broadband.windmobile.ca and most likely > provide your username and password. > > I use dropbox on my pc. I was using it at a clients request, but when > I saw it was available for Android, I just had to do this. > > Russell > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 18:19:01 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:19:01 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <69c98c7796efd2f32ed0f34c8764a372.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <69c98c7796efd2f32ed0f34c8764a372.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20110429181901.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 01:40:47PM -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Vacuum tube audio amplifiers. I'm waiting for someone to come out with a > vacuum tube version of the iPod. There is enough of a resurgence in > interest that there is at least one technical book on their design, and > Creatron (on College at Spadina) is selling vacuum tubes. There are also > some low-voltage battery-operated models of tubes, one of which is the > basis for an educational kit. I thought vacuum tubes needed heaters to keep them working, which sounds rather counter to a portable battery powered device. Also, why bother with a good amplifier if you start of with compressed to death input. Garbage in equals garbage out after all. > Relay computers. There are some astonishing examples of relay-based > computers done by hobbyists. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 18:21:47 2011 From: andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:21:47 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu 11.04 - Returning to Gnome In-Reply-To: <20110429154154.GG347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4DBA5DEA.8010403@rogers.com> <20110429154154.GG347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > On the other hand you just hit the top edge of the screen and you are > there. It worked great on the Amiga, and the Mac has always done it. > To some extent everyone else has done it in a less efficient way. > Why waste space for a menu bar in every window? Of course the amiga > had the menu bar hidden and only showed up when you hit the right > mouse button. The rest of the time it showed system status instead. > I miss that. > It's very handy on smaller displays, and I used to use a top menu in KDE3. The problem is, the higher the resolution, the farther your mouse has to go to hit the menu. I found driving OSX with a mouse to be somewhat cumbersome on really big monitors. That reminds me - the KDE3 implementation was pretty hacky, and if one app were to lock up, the menu container would lock up too, for all apps. Does Unity have this problem or did they manage to cleanly separate the out-of-window menu with GTK? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 18:29:38 2011 From: el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:29:38 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <20110429181901.GH347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <69c98c7796efd2f32ed0f34c8764a372.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20110429181901.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 01:40:47PM -0400, phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: >> Vacuum tube audio amplifiers. I'm waiting for someone to come out with a >> vacuum tube version of the iPod. There is enough of a resurgence in >> interest that there is at least one technical book on their design, and >> Creatron (on College at Spadina) is selling vacuum tubes. There are also >> some low-voltage battery-operated models of tubes, one of which is the >> basis for an educational kit. > > I thought vacuum tubes needed heaters to keep them working, which sounds > rather counter to a portable battery powered device. ?Also, why bother > with a good amplifier if you start of with compressed to death input. > Garbage in equals garbage out after all. > Well, as far as the heaters go, tubes have them built in (they're the source the electron wind bias current...). Aside from warming up your pocket a bit too much, tubes also tend to be a bit bulky and require higher (200-600V) voltages to operate. That's a lot of AAAs ;-) And no, no amount of tube amplification is going to make those early, sibilant mp3s sound any better... Now high voltage amplification for electrostatic speakers and headphones... Tubes have never gone out of style. Just *try* and get a Class AB transistor amplifier to do ~600V p-p! It's funny: I just don't think of vinyl sound reproduction and tube amplification as belong to yesteryear. The Philips compact cassette, now... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 18:37:43 2011 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:37:43 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: <69c98c7796efd2f32ed0f34c8764a372.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20110429181901.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20110429183743.GI347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 02:29:38PM -0400, Mike wrote: > Well, as far as the heaters go, tubes have them built in (they're the > source the electron wind bias current...). Aside from warming up your > pocket a bit too much, tubes also tend to be a bit bulky and require > higher (200-600V) voltages to operate. That's a lot of AAAs ;-) I figured the power needs would be impossible. > And no, no amount of tube amplification is going to make those early, > sibilant mp3s sound any better... > > Now high voltage amplification for electrostatic speakers and > headphones... Tubes have never gone out of style. Just *try* and get a > Class AB transistor amplifier to do ~600V p-p! I don't think so. > It's funny: I just don't think of vinyl sound reproduction and tube > amplification as belong to yesteryear. The Philips compact cassette, > now... Yeah those can stay dead. I don't know if anyone will miss mix tapes, but we have CD-Rs now if they really want to do that. I guess they can share playlists now. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 18:48:26 2011 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:48:26 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <20110429183743.GI347-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <69c98c7796efd2f32ed0f34c8764a372.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20110429181901.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110429183743.GI347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 02:29:38PM -0400, Mike wrote: >> Well, as far as the heaters go, tubes have them built in (they're the >> source the electron wind bias current...). Aside from warming up your >> pocket a bit too much, tubes also tend to be a bit bulky and require >> higher (200-600V) voltages to operate. That's a lot of AAAs ;-) > > I figured the power needs would be impossible. Hard yes, but hardly impossible. Here is a World War II example, from back before transistors were an available option: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCR-536 . These day people stick far more powerful transmitters in their shirt pockets. >> And no, no amount of tube amplification is going to make those early, >> sibilant mp3s sound any better... >> >> Now high voltage amplification for electrostatic speakers and >> headphones... Tubes have never gone out of style. Just *try* and get a >> Class AB transistor amplifier to do ~600V p-p! > > I don't think so. > >> It's funny: I just don't think of vinyl sound reproduction and tube >> amplification as ?belong to yesteryear. The Philips compact cassette, >> now... > > Yeah those can stay dead. ?I don't know if anyone will miss mix tapes, > but we have CD-Rs now if they really want to do that. ?I guess they can > share playlists now. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 19:30:25 2011 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:30:25 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: <69c98c7796efd2f32ed0f34c8764a372.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20110429181901.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4DBB11D1.3030205@rogers.com> Mike wrote: > It's funny: I just don't think of vinyl sound reproduction and tube > amplification as belong to yesteryear. It's funny people still think that. There are a couple of reasons why I say that. 1) Those vacuum tube heaters generate a *LOT* of thermal noise and tubes are also sensitive to microphonics etc. 2) The dynamic range of the best vinyl is over 20 dB poorer than CDs and also doesn't have the same frequency range. It's also sensitive to various mechanical noise sources that don't affect CDs. There are apparently a lot of people who like the characteristic distortions caused by tube gear, but not the more accurate reproduction of good solid state equipment. Tubes tend to produce even order harmonics, which are less disturbing than the odd order harmonics that bipolar transistors generate. On the other hand, field effect transistors have distortion characteristics similar to tubes. What it all boils down to is the amp transfer function i.e. input vs output. A perfect amp would have a completely linear (amplitude, frequency and phase) response but, of course, such a thing doesn't exist. Incidentally, several years ago, Bob Carver (of Carver amps fame) conducted a blind test, where he set up a transistor amp to have the same transfer function as a tube amp. The people who preferred tube amps couldn't tell the difference between the tube and transistor amps. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 20:14:51 2011 From: el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:14:51 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: <4DBB11D1.3030205-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <69c98c7796efd2f32ed0f34c8764a372.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <20110429181901.GH347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4DBB11D1.3030205@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 3:30 PM, James Knott wrote: > Mike wrote: >> >> It's funny: I just don't think of vinyl sound reproduction and tube >> amplification as ?belong to yesteryear. > > It's funny people still think that. ?There are a couple of reasons why I say > that. > > 1) Those vacuum tube heaters generate a *LOT* of thermal noise and tubes are > also sensitive to microphonics etc. > Yeah, yeah... who said I was considering these technologies on technical merit alone? And stop tapping on the tubes! ;-) > 2) The dynamic range of the best vinyl is over 20 dB poorer than CDs and > also doesn't have the same frequency range. ?It's also sensitive to various > mechanical noise sources that don't affect CDs. > The problem is that in reality, most CD masterings done in the last 15 years have increasingly compressed dynamic range into the top few dB, never mind 70dB, let alone 96. Vinyl? Hah! Cassette would suffice! No NR! (see "Loudness Wars"). Rampant dynamic range compression has, ironically, made many original vinyl recordings sound much better than the latest CD remasterings, even though the CD still arguably remains superior in many ways. Industrial dynamic range compression notwithstanding, I've been digitizing vinyl recordings for years now. There's something just a little weird about listening to what is clearly my old turntable in my car, for example :-) If I'm in a hurry, I'll even leave in the needle drops. > There are apparently a lot of people who like the characteristic distortions > caused by tube gear, but not the more accurate reproduction of good solid > state equipment. ?Tubes tend to produce even order harmonics, which are less > disturbing than the odd order harmonics that bipolar transistors generate. > ?On the other hand, field effect transistors have distortion characteristics > similar to tubes. ?What it all boils down to is the amp transfer function > i.e. input vs output. ?A perfect amp would have a completely linear > (amplitude, frequency and phase) response but, of course, such a thing > doesn't exist. ?Incidentally, several years ago, Bob Carver (of Carver amps > fame) conducted a blind test, where he set up a transistor amp to have the > same transfer function as a tube amp. ?The people who preferred tube amps > couldn't tell the difference between the tube and transistor amps. I think that, practically, it depends on what you're listening to, and how you like to hear it. Was my old 30W tube amp less accurate than my 100W solid-state? No contest! Was it still a joy to listen to for extended periods? Absolutely! The other thing that seems to become lost in the argument of tubes vs. semiconductors is that recordings of anything other than completely acoustic music have all been processed in some way before ever reaching the tape head, cutting lathe, or ADC. Jimi Hendrix, anyone? Congotronics? *cough* ...speaking of typewriters *cough* Cheers, Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 29 23:03:05 2011 From: rreiter91-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Russell reiter) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 19:03:05 -0400 Subject: Android and Huawei GSM modem - toronto dialup settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Your welcome. I've got a couple of notes on the phone as well. The tether connection port at the phone is split by the case so it's kind of a weakness. At one time I was getting unusual behaviour when trying to charge the phone. I'd turn off the phone and plug it in to charge, but if I accidently wiggled the cable the phone would boot up again. That was frustrating. I used the traditional IBM blue wire or in this case being Canadian, the Red Green fix. I have no complaints about the internal hardware or the platform. I have a huge canvas running and now I keep wireless and gps always on as well. This is to kill the battery steadily over the four hours the battery seems to last. It quick charges in two, The factory sim has a 15mb partition with msdos modeswiching and dialing exe files. I have a 16 gig sim for data but I think the full capacity is 32 gig. The headphones that come with it are useful as an FM antenna, but that's about all. I may root the phone and see if I can cram arecord onto it. If I used the phone as a wifi hotspot, I could listen to the FM radio on my pc headphones. Regards Russell On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Thanks Russel for sharing, > I think my sister is buying one of these and will need my help on it later > on :) > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Russell reiter wrote: >> >> I did a fresh install of Debian squeeze and found that installing from >> the first cd only gave me the behaviour I expected from Linux. When I >> subsequently plugged in the phone, it was recognized immediatly as >> product id 1031 and not 1035. It would have been 1035, if it had been >> present during install process and been previously polled by udev's >> rules generator and subject to all the custom rules provided. >> >> This machine had a ethernet card but it wasn't connected to a lan or >> the internet. I set up networking during the install but since I >> couldn't connnect to a mirror, the network manager wasn't available. I >> could have used more cd's, but heck its more fun this way. >> >> I downloaded tclsh, usb_modeswitch, ppp and wvdial and related >> dependencies with my phone and used dpkg to install. The firmware info >> and udev rules from my previous post created ttyUSB0 through 4. >> >> Here's /etc/wvdial.conf with local settings for Wind in this area. >> >> [Dialer Defaults] >> Init1 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internet.windmobile.ca" >> Modem Type = ?USB Modem >> Phone =*99# >> ISDN = 0 >> Password = * >> New PPPD = yes >> Username = * >> Baud = 9600 >> Modem = /dev/ttyUSB0 >> Baud = 460800 >> Stupid Mode = 1 >> >> Stupid mode starts pppd right away without a prompt from the carrier. >> If you are using a Huawei stick you'd probably change >> internet.windmobile.ca --> broadband.windmobile.ca and most likely >> provide your username and password. >> >> I use dropbox on my pc. I was using it at a clients request, but when >> I saw it was available for Android, I just had to do this. >> >> Russell >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -- > > > > Dave Germiquet > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 30 05:38:52 2011 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 01:38:52 -0400 Subject: anyone know blender [or similar] (and looking for a small project) In-Reply-To: References: <4DB988A3.1090407@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <4DBBA06C.7030804@ve3syb.ca> G. Matthew Rice wrote: > It's basically a 3D representation of some learning paths. I'll send > you a styrofoam ball/toothpick mockup in a private e-mail to get a > sense of what I'm talking about. I'll look out for that message. I have some familiarity with Blender but I usually use Rhinoceros 3D when it comes to modelling. > Shows pretty much everything of what I'm looking for. Looks like a > lot of GUI to learn, though. Blender does have a rather steep learning curve. Pretty nice program when you see what can be done with it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 30 16:33:59 2011 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:33:59 -0400 Subject: Last typewriter factory in the world shuts its doors In-Reply-To: References: <20110427145029.GE347@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20110428011946.GA3244@node1.opengeometry.net> <20110428022149.GA12733@amber> <20110428160748.GA30457@amber> Message-ID: Where do I click 'like'? ;) On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Gron Arthur wrote: > I lament the death of web 1.0, like those that reflect on the passing > of the typewriter, with web1 hobbiest could produce informative web > pages with little effort. ?There was ownership of the work produced, > with people having to rent a bit of server space. ?Yes with the cloud > and web 2.0 you could do more things, interesting things, but at least > for a moment in the late 90s there was still a youthful spirit to the > endeavor. ?Now advertising has crept into everything, phones and > devices are locked down. ?We've moved from the 'Endless September' of > people learning the social norms of the net to letting ourselves be > constrained by companies disabling features to dumb down and profit > from our learned ignorance and breed apathy. > > Perhaps we need a funeral for the typewriter and web 1.0 like the > "Death of the Hippie" ceremony in 1967. > > > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Peter King wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 09:27:27AM -0400, Gron Arthur wrote: >> >>> I'm not a fan of pdf books. ?With HTML I can copy and paste easily - >>> that's what I'm interested in. ?Form follows function. >> >> TeX can generate pdf (there is even a version, pdfTeX, that produces >> such files directly rather than dvi output)> TeX can also, with minor >> effort, produce reasonable html. >> >> However, I was addressing what tools professionals use these days -- >> which I took to be a question about tools used to produce high-quality >> output, which still means printed books. TeX can and does drive Varitype >> printers, and is the final stage in many book-production presses. Because >> Knuth made some clever design decisions, it produces excellent output >> even on low-resolution output devices (like 2400dpi laser printers). It >> was even better on nine-pin dot matrix printers, all because Knuth used >> sophisticated line-breaking algorithms and page-description measurements >> (including his own version of kerning tables). >> >> For easy copy-and-paste I prefer straight ASCII text (or Unicode). >> >> -- >> Peter King ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org >> Department of Philosophy >> 170 St. George Street #521 >> The University of Toronto ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (416)-978-4951 ofc >> Toronto, ON ?M5R 2M8 >> ? ? ? CANADA >> >> http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ >> >> ========================================================================= >> GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC ?36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) >> gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists