From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 00:56:13 2010 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:56:13 -0400 Subject: Samsung laptops? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C7DA4AD.40209@gmail.com> On 10-08-31 17:39 , Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > So now I'm back considering Samsung, Does anyone here have experiences > with Samsung laptops? Only with the Korean model ones. They are utterly lovely (think Apple design and build quality) but never need to run Linux, since basically, you can't do squat with anything other than Windows in Korea. They're very new to the market in Canada - this would be their first full year. > Is their laptop support in Canada OK? Well, it's all done out of their office at 401 & Hurontario. Fun fact: Samsung Electronics has a direct competitor in Samsung Construction & Trading's Pleomax electronics brand. It's rumoured that Pleomax was set up because Samsung Electronics was gouging Samsung Construction & Trading on computer supplies. Ah, the zany internal politics of the chaebol! Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 04:16:33 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 00:16:33 -0400 Subject: Filling / in novel ways In-Reply-To: References: <20100826144515.GA28351@yam.witteman.ca> <20100827222247.GA5583@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20100901041632.GA13976@waltdnes.org> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:28:49PM -0500, Eliot Frost wrote > How well does this actually work? I'd be worried that if you denied the > creation of a cache for Flash, it would simply not be able to buffer video > or animation. Or does all of the caching take place in /tmp, and if so, > what's in .adobe and .macromedia ? It works for me. Flash videos get downloaded to /tmp and played from there. E.g., when I played a video just now, the result was... waltdnes at i3 ~ $ ll /tmp/Flash* -rw------- 1 waltdnes users 1515622 Sep 1 00:04 /tmp/FlashudJV8B The Flash file will get deleted next time you play a Youtube video. *NOTE FOR DOWNLOADERS*... ***YOU CAN SAVE THE FLV FILES BY MOVING THEM AWAY FROM /tmp***, e.g. waltdnes at i3 ~ $ mv /tmp/FlashudJV8B who_s_sorry_now_-_Connoe_Francis.flv You can build up quite the collection of flv files (playable by mplayer etc). -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 15:12:11 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 11:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Kobo eReader firmware GPLed source Message-ID: I have a Kobo eReader. I could not find where they distributed the source for their GPLed code. So I asked them. After some time, and self-initiated escalations, they answered: It would be great to see if it is possible to build and install revised firmware. Unfortunately, I have other priorities at the moment. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 03:08:52 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 23:08:52 -0400 Subject: "Free" course from O'Reilly... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just thought I would do a quick follow-up on the following. The first lecture was last evening, interesting experiment from my point of view. The first lecture focused on a course overview: - Week one, overview, installing Arduino support software and Processing language. Getting the Arduino to talk to a Processing test program. - Week two, setting up a 2D drawing program in Processing. - Week three, changing the 2D program into a 3D program. - Week four, getting some potentiometers tied to the Arduino to control the drawing program. - Week five wrap-up Interesting odd experience with the instructor on a postcard size window with a online text chat screen underneath and then attempting to follow along on my computer doing the projects with the instructor. At points I felt like I was scrambling a little bit to keep up (on balance a good thing :-) ). Before the lecture one person in the chat asked where everyone was from, one person noted they were from Latvia, another Brazil, a few from other bits of Europe (I saw Germany and the UK mentioned). There were a few audio glitches during the lecture which triggered a torrent of "audio dead" text comments. After each of the glitches the instructor did go back and go over the material that we couldn't hear again. Through the chat I did see some complaints from the people in Europe about the time of the lecture (after midnight in Europe), and a person in Brazil complained that the instructor Joseph Gray spoke too quickly... The number of people logged in fluctuated during the lecture, but was for most of the lecture just over 500 people. Good stuff in my books. I did get tripped up on where the Processing language expects to find the Arduino support library file, not a big issue, and something that was today's "homework" :-) . I did get a text message during the talk from Jeffrey Pikul, one of the GTALug folks who I gather is also taking this course, I'm not sure who else in the GTA is in on this... Who would like to join in next week? Colin. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > This evening at the Greater Toronto Area Linux user group meeting I was > mentioning a course that O'Reilly is running for "free". The course is free, > but the equipment isn't, the course outline is below. The equipment focuses > around an Arduino Duemilanove, which is available from a few sources in the > GTA, among them Creatron (http://creatroninc.com/), near College and > Spadina, for $29.99. > > For myself, I have signed up for the course. I am curious as to how well > the whole distance learning thing will work, with an instructor on the US > west coast and me in Toronto. I will need a bit more than just the Arduino > Duemilanove, but not much more... At this point I see this as an an > interesting experiment in learning... > > If anyone else on the UU and/or GTALug lists signs up please let me know as > I would like to have some other local people to compare notes with.... > > Colin McGregor > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Marsee Henon > Date: Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 2:16 PM > Subject: UG News: Processing and Arduino in Tandem--New Course from > O'Reilly > To: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > > > View in Browser > . > > *Forward this announcement to your user group or a friend*. > > [image: Free Online Course] [image: Processing with Arduino] > > Create your own drawing and animation software-and learn basic programming > and electronics skills at the same time. This engaging 5-week online course > introduces you to two simple tools: Processing, a programming language for > visual thinkers, and Arduino, a hardware platform for working with > electronics. You'll learn how to use these tools together to build something > useful right away. You'll learn to: > > - Use Processing to create basic software applications > - Make your own drawing and animation tools > - Create a GUI (Graphical User Interface) to control your software > - Use an Arduino to provide physical controls for your drawing and > animation tools > > Learn more *Processing and Arduino in Tandem*. > > [image: Register Now] > Price: Free > [image: calender icon] 5-Week Course: > Tues, 8/31 ? 9/28 > [image: clock icon] 3:00pm PST > Each 90 - 120 minutes > > Make the most of your course with our exclusive project kit. > > projBox Kit > Price: $75 > > > The projBox Kit contains everything you need to follow along with > Processing and Arduino in Tandem. The kit, which requires no soldering, is > ideal for beginners in electronics and physical computing. The projBox Kit > contains: > > - projBox > - Arduino Duemilanove > - Electronics Breadboard > - 4 10k potentiometers > - 4 SPST switches > - 4 LEDs > - USB cable > - Wires > > Spreading the knowledge of innovators > > oreilly.com > You are receiving this email because you are a User Group contact > with O'Reilly Media. Forward this announcement. > If you would like to stop receiving these newsletters or announcements from > O'Reilly, send an email to marsee-jwAc06hyVjXowKkBSvOlow at public.gmane.org > > O'Reilly Media, Inc. 1005 Gravenstein Highway North, Sebastopol, CA 95472 > (707) 827-7000 > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 14:19:41 2010 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:19:41 -0400 Subject: "Free" course from O'Reilly... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C7FB27D.90900@gmail.com> On 10-09-01 23:08 , Colin McGregor wrote: > > Who would like to join in next week? I've signed up. Been playing with Arduino for a couple of weeks now (got mine from Solarbotics in Calgary: http://www.solarbotics.com/). cheers, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 16:23:05 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 09:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? Message-ID: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi, TV tuner will decoded ATSC signal from RG-6 input and record it to local harddisk. Is there a way to do in reverse? That is, send a recorded TV program into RG-6 coax cable in its original format, so that on the remote side, it would be as though it's coming from antenna. I have lots of leftover RG-6 cable/connectors. And, I would like to connect my TV to my computer using RG-6 cable, and install A-B switch ($10) at TV, so that I can pick which input to watch from. As far as TV is concerned, it wouldn't know if the signal is coming from antenna or from my computer. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 16:39:47 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:39:47 -0400 Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? In-Reply-To: <404680.48449.qm-XyciXz+oX7iZZBmlwP4mLPu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C7FD353.9060302@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > Hi, > > TV tuner will decoded ATSC signal from RG-6 input and record it to local > harddisk. > Is there a way to do in reverse? That is, send a recorded TV program into RG-6 > coax > cable in its original format, so that on the remote side, it would be as though > it's coming > from antenna. > > I have lots of leftover RG-6 cable/connectors. And, I would like to connect my > TV to > my computer using RG-6 cable, and install A-B switch ($10) at TV, so that I can > pick > which input to watch from. As far as TV is concerned, it wouldn't know if the > signal is > coming from antenna or from my computer. > What you're looking for is referred to as a "video modulator". Many years ago, personal computers such as the Apple II, Commie 64 etc. used them to hook up to a TV. There are also some that will convert VGA to NTSC video, but with those you're greatly limited in resolution to what NTSC supports. You could get a good picture with something that can take HDMI or DVI from a computer and convert it to ATSC video on RF, but I haven't seen any and I expect they'd be fairly expensive. Of course, many TVs these days have VGA input, as well as HDMI/DVI, which would give excellent picture quality. My own computer uses DVI @ 1080P on a 23" wide screen monitor. I could, if I wish, connect it to a HDMI input on my TV. Does your TV not have any HDMI or VGA inputs? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 16:44:14 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:44:14 -0400 Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? In-Reply-To: <404680.48449.qm-XyciXz+oX7iZZBmlwP4mLPu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100902124414.020aa0d3.tleslie@tcn.net> back in the "old" days, you had to do this, push to your tv on channel 3/4 (you usually had a switch to choose), i.e. video consoles game systems / vcrs from the early 80's. I guess your tv doesn't accept composite or s-video? if it did, just use those. I have a recent model tv, and computer->tv over hdmi, but it also accepts component, composite, s-video, most tv's are like this. You could buy some sort of converter (s-vid to chan 3/4) i am guessing. Also, some vcr's , if you record from s-vid or composite input, it will then put the recorded signal on the chan 3/4, and other outputs. You might just want to buy a used flat screen 32" tv for 50$ (with various inputs), solves your issues, and have a better tv to boot. Perhaps there are video cards that will output to 3/4, but all the ones i have had are always component/composite/s-video/hdmi (in choice). tl On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 09:23:05 -0700 (PDT) William Park wrote: > Hi, > > TV tuner will decoded ATSC signal from RG-6 input and record it to local > harddisk. > Is there a way to do in reverse? That is, send a recorded TV program into RG-6 > coax > cable in its original format, so that on the remote side, it would be as though > it's coming > from antenna. > > I have lots of leftover RG-6 cable/connectors. And, I would like to connect my > TV to > my computer using RG-6 cable, and install A-B switch ($10) at TV, so that I can > pick > which input to watch from. As far as TV is concerned, it wouldn't know if the > signal is > coming from antenna or from my computer. > -- > William > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 17:02:10 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 13:02:10 -0400 Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? In-Reply-To: <404680.48449.qm-XyciXz+oX7iZZBmlwP4mLPu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100902170210.GQ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 09:23:05AM -0700, William Park wrote: > TV tuner will decoded ATSC signal from RG-6 input and record it to local > harddisk. > Is there a way to do in reverse? That is, send a recorded TV program into RG-6 > coax > cable in its original format, so that on the remote side, it would be as though > it's coming > from antenna. > > I have lots of leftover RG-6 cable/connectors. And, I would like to connect my > TV to > my computer using RG-6 cable, and install A-B switch ($10) at TV, so that I can > pick > which input to watch from. As far as TV is concerned, it wouldn't know if the > signal is > coming from antenna or from my computer. Apparently ATSC modulators are very expensive. QAM modulators on the other hand might be possible to get. Now they will almost certainly take a video signal and modulate it, not a digital mpeg stream, although perhaps there are some that will take the digital stream directly without being decoded first. For example this might work: http://www.advanceddigital.ca/products/dvb/tvb590.php Except it looks very expensive. Not sure anything consumer grade (and priced) exists. There really isn't any real demand for such thing. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 18:09:16 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:09:16 -0400 Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? In-Reply-To: <4C7FD353.9060302-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C7FD353.9060302@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:39 PM, James Knott wrote: > William Park wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> TV tuner will decoded ATSC signal from RG-6 input and record it to local >> harddisk. >> Is there a way to do in reverse? ?That is, send a recorded TV program into >> RG-6 >> coax >> cable in its original format, so that on the remote side, it would be as >> though >> it's coming >> from antenna. >> >> I have lots of leftover RG-6 cable/connectors. ?And, I would like to >> connect my >> TV to >> my computer using RG-6 cable, and install A-B switch ($10) at TV, so that >> I can >> pick >> which input to watch from. ?As far as TV is concerned, it wouldn't know if >> the >> signal is >> coming from antenna or from my computer. >> > > What you're looking for is referred to as a "video modulator". ?Many years > ago, personal computers such as the Apple II, Commie 64 etc. used them to > hook up to a TV. ?There are also some that will convert VGA to NTSC video, > but with those you're greatly limited in resolution to what NTSC supports. > ?You could get a good picture with something that can take HDMI or DVI from > a computer and convert it to ATSC video on RF, but I haven't seen any and I > expect they'd be fairly expensive. ?Of course, many TVs these days have VGA > input, as well as HDMI/DVI, which would give excellent picture quality. ?My > own computer uses DVI @ 1080P on a 23" wide screen monitor. ?I could, if I > wish, connect it to a HDMI input on my TV. ?Does your TV not have any HDMI > or VGA inputs? As I understand the issue, William's key problem is the best place for a receiver / MythTV backend box is in one part of his house (where the antenna/cable comes in), and where he want to watch TV is a different part of the house. Further, making cable new runs through the house I gather is a real issue (read, a pain in the @#$% to do). Thus earlier William was exploring possible WiFi options (none of which William seems to find appealing (and yes, all the WiFi video distribution options I've seen are different flavors of ugly...)). So, back to distributing video signals on RG-6 cable. I have an old RF modulator that will put a SD quality signal on channels 3 or 4 that was under $20 some 10 years ago. For ATSC I have not seen or been able to find anything in the consumer market. For QAM (which most modern TVs support) I did find the Zv ZvBox 150 zeevee.com/residential/zvbox150 which seems to sell for around $900 (US), OUCH!!! So, if William can live with SD quality TV, the option is easy and inexpensive, but once you are used to HDTV, going back to SDTV is something most people would like to avoid. Getting QAM HDTV through the house on RG-6 is an option, an EXPENSIVE option... So, another question for the group, is there a VGA and/or DVI to ATSC or QAM modulator for much less than the Zv ZvBox 150? Alternatively, other solutions that could allow william to do though the house video without spending a fairly serious pile of cash? Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 19:02:45 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? In-Reply-To: <4C7FD353.9060302-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C7FD353.9060302@rogers.com> Message-ID: <671152.41442.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- > From: James Knott > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 12:39:47 PM > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: TV Tuner in reverse? > > William Park wrote: > > Hi, > > > > TV tuner will decoded ATSC signal from RG-6 input and record it to local > > harddisk. > > Is there a way to do in reverse? That is, send a recorded TV program into >RG-6 > > coax > > cable in its original format, so that on the remote side, it would be as >though > > it's coming > > from antenna. > > > > I have lots of leftover RG-6 cable/connectors. And, I would like to connect >my > > TV to > > my computer using RG-6 cable, and install A-B switch ($10) at TV, so that I >can > > pick > > which input to watch from. As far as TV is concerned, it wouldn't know if >the > > signal is > > coming from antenna or from my computer. > > > What you're looking for is referred to as a "video modulator". Many years >ago, personal computers such as the Apple II, Commie 64 etc. used them to hook >up to a TV. There are also some that will convert VGA to NTSC video, but with >those you're greatly limited in resolution to what NTSC supports. You could >get a good picture with something that can take HDMI or DVI from a computer and >convert it to ATSC video on RF, but I haven't seen any and I expect they'd be >fairly expensive. Of course, many TVs these days have VGA input, as well as >HDMI/DVI, which would give excellent picture quality. My own computer uses DVI >@ 1080P on a 23" wide screen monitor. I could, if I wish, connect it to a HDMI >input on my TV. Does your TV not have any HDMI or VGA inputs? Yes, it does. My TV is "HD ready", so it has every possible input connectors. Right now, its HDMI port is connected to external Kworld settop tuner, which in turn is connected to my antenna. So, I can watch live TV, just fine. Soon, I will run a cable from the antenna to my computer in my room. So, I should be able to watch/record on my computer. My problem is how to watch on my TV, as cheaply as possible, when computer and TV are not in the same room. - I don't want to upgrade to Wireless-N - I don't want to get another computer for MythTV frontend, just to watch occasional recorded TV. - I don't want to carry my computer to/from living room, whenever I want to watch recorded TV. - I can use my laptop (Pentium-M, Intel 915), but it's barely capable. There is hint of stuttering, and VGA/audio cables are messy. Cheapest solution is to run RG-6 cable between my computer and my TV. Of course, assuming I can send recorded MPEG-2 files out into RG-6 cable as ATSC/QAM signal. I'll google "ATSC modulator". -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 19:11:41 2010 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:11:41 -0700 Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? In-Reply-To: <671152.41442.qm-XyciXz+oX7iORdMXk8NaZPu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C7FD353.9060302@rogers.com> <671152.41442.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:02 PM, William Park wrote: > ----- Original Message ---- >> From: James Knott >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 12:39:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: TV Tuner in reverse? >> >> William Park wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > TV tuner will decoded ATSC ?signal from RG-6 input and record it to local >> > harddisk. >> > Is there ?a way to do in reverse? ?That is, send a recorded TV program into >>RG-6 >> > coax >> > cable in its original format, so that on the remote ?side, it would be as >>though >> > it's coming >> > from antenna. >> > >> > I have lots of leftover RG-6 cable/connectors. ?And, I would like ?to connect >>my >> > TV to >> > my computer using RG-6 cable, and install ?A-B switch ($10) at TV, so that I >>can >> > pick >> > which input to watch ?from. ?As far as TV is concerned, it wouldn't know if >>the >> > signal ?is >> > coming from antenna or from my computer. >> > >> What you're looking for is referred to as a "video modulator". ?Many ?years >>ago, personal computers such as the Apple II, Commie 64 etc. used them to ?hook >>up to a TV. ?There are also some that will convert VGA to NTSC video, ?but with >>those you're greatly limited in resolution to what NTSC supports. ? You could >>get a good picture with something that can take HDMI or DVI from a ?computer and >>convert it to ATSC video on RF, but I haven't seen any and I expect ?they'd be >>fairly expensive. ?Of course, many TVs these days have VGA input, ?as well as >>HDMI/DVI, which would give excellent picture quality. ?My own ?computer uses DVI >>@ 1080P on a 23" wide screen monitor. ?I could, if I ?wish, connect it to a HDMI >>input on my TV. ?Does your TV not have any HDMI ?or VGA inputs? > > Yes, it does. ?My TV is "HD ready", so it has every possible input connectors. > Right now, > its HDMI port is connected to external Kworld settop tuner, which in turn is > connected to > my antenna. ?So, I can watch live TV, just fine. > > Soon, I will run a cable from the antenna to my computer in my room. ?So, I > should be > able to watch/record on my computer. > > My problem is how to watch on my TV, as cheaply as possible, when computer and > TV > are not in the same room. > > ? ?- I don't want to upgrade to Wireless-N > ? ?- I don't want to get another computer for MythTV frontend, just to watch > occasional > ? ? ?recorded TV. > ? ?- I don't want to carry my computer to/from living room, whenever I want to > watch > ? ? ?recorded TV. > ? ?- I can use my laptop (Pentium-M, Intel 915), but it's barely capable. > There is hint > ? ? ?of stuttering, and VGA/audio cables are messy. > > Cheapest solution is to run RG-6 cable between my computer and my TV. ?Of > course, > assuming I can send recorded MPEG-2 files out into RG-6 cable as ATSC/QAM > signal. > > I'll google "ATSC modulator". I don't know if this'll help you, but I've seen "HDMI-over-ethernet" hardware before. Basically, it was a pair of wall plates with HDMI ports on the front and RJ-45 connectors on the back. With two Cat-5 (or maybe Cat-6, I don't know) cables, you could create a long-distance HDMI cable for cheap. If you're planning to run RG-6 cables anyway, maybe you could run Cat-5 instead and transmit in HD. Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 19:12:46 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 15:12:46 -0400 Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? In-Reply-To: <671152.41442.qm-XyciXz+oX7iORdMXk8NaZPu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C7FD353.9060302@rogers.com> <671152.41442.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100902151246.0010d9d2.tleslie@tcn.net> just get two of these then, and bobs your uncle. (assuming 50' will do). I was fortunate when i did what your doing, that my tv was just at the other end of the room, so a 20' was good for me. tl On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:02:45 -0700 (PDT) William Park wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: James Knott > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 12:39:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: TV Tuner in reverse? > > > > William Park wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > TV tuner will decoded ATSC signal from RG-6 input and record it to local > > > harddisk. > > > Is there a way to do in reverse? That is, send a recorded TV program into > >RG-6 > > > coax > > > cable in its original format, so that on the remote side, it would be as > >though > > > it's coming > > > from antenna. > > > > > > I have lots of leftover RG-6 cable/connectors. And, I would like to connect > >my > > > TV to > > > my computer using RG-6 cable, and install A-B switch ($10) at TV, so that I > >can > > > pick > > > which input to watch from. As far as TV is concerned, it wouldn't know if > >the > > > signal is > > > coming from antenna or from my computer. > > > > > What you're looking for is referred to as a "video modulator". Many years > >ago, personal computers such as the Apple II, Commie 64 etc. used them to hook > >up to a TV. There are also some that will convert VGA to NTSC video, but with > >those you're greatly limited in resolution to what NTSC supports. You could > >get a good picture with something that can take HDMI or DVI from a computer and > >convert it to ATSC video on RF, but I haven't seen any and I expect they'd be > >fairly expensive. Of course, many TVs these days have VGA input, as well as > >HDMI/DVI, which would give excellent picture quality. My own computer uses DVI > >@ 1080P on a 23" wide screen monitor. I could, if I wish, connect it to a HDMI > >input on my TV. Does your TV not have any HDMI or VGA inputs? > > Yes, it does. My TV is "HD ready", so it has every possible input connectors. > Right now, > its HDMI port is connected to external Kworld settop tuner, which in turn is > connected to > my antenna. So, I can watch live TV, just fine. > > Soon, I will run a cable from the antenna to my computer in my room. So, I > should be > able to watch/record on my computer. > > My problem is how to watch on my TV, as cheaply as possible, when computer and > TV > are not in the same room. > > - I don't want to upgrade to Wireless-N > - I don't want to get another computer for MythTV frontend, just to watch > occasional > recorded TV. > - I don't want to carry my computer to/from living room, whenever I want to > watch > recorded TV. > - I can use my laptop (Pentium-M, Intel 915), but it's barely capable. > There is hint > of stuttering, and VGA/audio cables are messy. > > Cheapest solution is to run RG-6 cable between my computer and my TV. Of > course, > assuming I can send recorded MPEG-2 files out into RG-6 cable as ATSC/QAM > signal. > > I'll google "ATSC modulator". > -- > William > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 19:16:01 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 15:16:01 -0400 Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? In-Reply-To: <20100902151246.0010d9d2.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C7FD353.9060302@rogers.com> <671152.41442.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100902151246.0010d9d2.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <20100902151601.6fbbbe48.tleslie@tcn.net> http://cgi.ebay.com/25-FOOT-7-6M-New-Extention-Male-Male-DVI-24-1-Cable-/290414609448?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item439e0f4428#ht_2422wt_1139 might help if i posted the link to what the "these" were :) tl On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 15:12:46 -0400 ted leslie wrote: > just get two of these then, and bobs your uncle. (assuming 50' will do). > I was fortunate when i did what your doing, that my tv was just at the other end of the room, > so a 20' was good for me. > > tl > > On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:02:45 -0700 (PDT) > William Park wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: James Knott > > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > > Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 12:39:47 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: TV Tuner in reverse? > > > > > > William Park wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > TV tuner will decoded ATSC signal from RG-6 input and record it to local > > > > harddisk. > > > > Is there a way to do in reverse? That is, send a recorded TV program into > > >RG-6 > > > > coax > > > > cable in its original format, so that on the remote side, it would be as > > >though > > > > it's coming > > > > from antenna. > > > > > > > > I have lots of leftover RG-6 cable/connectors. And, I would like to connect > > >my > > > > TV to > > > > my computer using RG-6 cable, and install A-B switch ($10) at TV, so that I > > >can > > > > pick > > > > which input to watch from. As far as TV is concerned, it wouldn't know if > > >the > > > > signal is > > > > coming from antenna or from my computer. > > > > > > > What you're looking for is referred to as a "video modulator". Many years > > >ago, personal computers such as the Apple II, Commie 64 etc. used them to hook > > >up to a TV. There are also some that will convert VGA to NTSC video, but with > > >those you're greatly limited in resolution to what NTSC supports. You could > > >get a good picture with something that can take HDMI or DVI from a computer and > > >convert it to ATSC video on RF, but I haven't seen any and I expect they'd be > > >fairly expensive. Of course, many TVs these days have VGA input, as well as > > >HDMI/DVI, which would give excellent picture quality. My own computer uses DVI > > >@ 1080P on a 23" wide screen monitor. I could, if I wish, connect it to a HDMI > > >input on my TV. Does your TV not have any HDMI or VGA inputs? > > > > Yes, it does. My TV is "HD ready", so it has every possible input connectors. > > Right now, > > its HDMI port is connected to external Kworld settop tuner, which in turn is > > connected to > > my antenna. So, I can watch live TV, just fine. > > > > Soon, I will run a cable from the antenna to my computer in my room. So, I > > should be > > able to watch/record on my computer. > > > > My problem is how to watch on my TV, as cheaply as possible, when computer and > > TV > > are not in the same room. > > > > - I don't want to upgrade to Wireless-N > > - I don't want to get another computer for MythTV frontend, just to watch > > occasional > > recorded TV. > > - I don't want to carry my computer to/from living room, whenever I want to > > watch > > recorded TV. > > - I can use my laptop (Pentium-M, Intel 915), but it's barely capable. > > There is hint > > of stuttering, and VGA/audio cables are messy. > > > > Cheapest solution is to run RG-6 cable between my computer and my TV. Of > > course, > > assuming I can send recorded MPEG-2 files out into RG-6 cable as ATSC/QAM > > signal. > > > > I'll google "ATSC modulator". > > -- > > William > > > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- > ted leslie > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 19:22:55 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 15:22:55 -0400 Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? In-Reply-To: <671152.41442.qm-XyciXz+oX7iORdMXk8NaZPu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C7FD353.9060302@rogers.com> <671152.41442.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100902192255.GR2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 12:02:45PM -0700, William Park wrote: > Yes, it does. My TV is "HD ready", so it has every possible input connectors. > Right now, > its HDMI port is connected to external Kworld settop tuner, which in turn is > connected to > my antenna. So, I can watch live TV, just fine. > > Soon, I will run a cable from the antenna to my computer in my room. So, I > should be > able to watch/record on my computer. > > My problem is how to watch on my TV, as cheaply as possible, when computer and > TV > are not in the same room. > > - I don't want to upgrade to Wireless-N > - I don't want to get another computer for MythTV frontend, just to watch > occasional > recorded TV. > - I don't want to carry my computer to/from living room, whenever I want to > watch > recorded TV. > - I can use my laptop (Pentium-M, Intel 915), but it's barely capable. > There is hint > of stuttering, and VGA/audio cables are messy. > > Cheapest solution is to run RG-6 cable between my computer and my TV. Of > course, > assuming I can send recorded MPEG-2 files out into RG-6 cable as ATSC/QAM > signal. > > I'll google "ATSC modulator". If you are willing to run cabling, then why not run an HDMI cable instead of RG6? Or do you already have that cable run? And cheapest won't be RG6. The modulator will be VERY expensive. A dedicated upnp video playback box with HDMI output and an ethernet cable will be much cheaper, and as a bonus you can then control your playback from the room with the TV. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 19:32:19 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 15:32:19 -0400 Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? In-Reply-To: <20100902192255.GR2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C7FD353.9060302@rogers.com> <671152.41442.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100902192255.GR2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > And cheapest won't be RG6. ?The modulator will be VERY expensive. > A dedicated upnp video playback box with HDMI output and an ethernet > cable will be much cheaper, and as a bonus you can then control your > playback from the room with the TV. Yeah, a bunch of these are available in about the $100 range. The UIs aren't always super-great, but, by the same token, they're not selling these to 'cryptic CLI mavens,' so they're certainly not using TECO command streams to control them :-) -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 19:40:10 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:40:10 -0400 Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? In-Reply-To: References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C7FD353.9060302@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C7FFD9A.90407@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > So, back to distributing video signals on RG-6 cable. I have an old RF > modulator that will put a SD quality signal on channels 3 or 4 that > was under $20 some 10 years ago. Those old modulator had very poor resolution, as the signal had to fit into a standard NTSC channel. The computers that used them typically got 32 - 40 characters/line max and 16 lines. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 19:50:13 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 15:50:13 -0400 Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? In-Reply-To: <4C7FFD9A.90407-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C7FD353.9060302@rogers.com> <4C7FFD9A.90407@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100902195013.GS2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 03:40:10PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Those old modulator had very poor resolution, as the signal had to fit > into a standard NTSC channel. The computers that used them typically > got 32 - 40 characters/line max and 16 lines. vic20 had 22x23 character. The C64 was 40x25. I don't think any of those did 80x25 on NTSC. The Amiga could, but it looked awful and was practically unreadable on NTSC. You needed RGB rather than RF to get 80x25 in a readable form. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 20:11:21 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 13:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? In-Reply-To: <20100902151601.6fbbbe48.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C7FD353.9060302@rogers.com> <671152.41442.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100902151246.0010d9d2.tleslie@tcn.net> <20100902151601.6fbbbe48.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <962248.78080.qm@web110809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I didn't know HDMI cables ran that long. Probably, got confused with VGA cables. Yes, for my immediate need, 5-10m HDMI cable will be fine. I'll look into HDMI-to-ethernet option, though. I don't know why modulators are so expensive. If they can sell ATSC/QAM usb tuner for $40, I would think ATSC/QAM modulator could be in the same ball park. Thanks guys. -- William ----- Original Message ---- > From: ted leslie > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 3:16:01 PM > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: TV Tuner in reverse? > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/25-FOOT-7-6M-New-Extention-Male-Male-DVI-24-1-Cable-/290414609448?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item439e0f4428#ht_2422wt_1139 >9 > > might help if i posted the link to what the "these" were :) > > tl -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 20:19:27 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 16:19:27 -0400 Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? In-Reply-To: <962248.78080.qm-Y34AK2gV3Gw5A34FEqDeB/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C7FD353.9060302@rogers.com> <671152.41442.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100902151246.0010d9d2.tleslie@tcn.net> <20100902151601.6fbbbe48.tleslie@tcn.net> <962248.78080.qm@web110809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100902161927.8d98c013.tleslie@tcn.net> dont forget to check into if its dvi-d , dvi-i, hdmi etc, etc, to make sure you get the right one, and/or convertors if necessary. tl On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 13:11:21 -0700 (PDT) William Park wrote: > I didn't know HDMI cables ran that long. Probably, got confused with VGA > cables. > Yes, for my immediate need, 5-10m HDMI cable will be fine. I'll look into > HDMI-to-ethernet option, though. > > I don't know why modulators are so expensive. If they can sell ATSC/QAM usb > tuner for $40, I would think ATSC/QAM modulator could be in the same ball park. > > Thanks guys. > -- > William > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: ted leslie > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 3:16:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: TV Tuner in reverse? > > > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/25-FOOT-7-6M-New-Extention-Male-Male-DVI-24-1-Cable-/290414609448?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item439e0f4428#ht_2422wt_1139 > >9 > > > > might help if i posted the link to what the "these" were :) > > > > tl > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 20:50:51 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 16:50:51 -0400 Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? In-Reply-To: <962248.78080.qm-Y34AK2gV3Gw5A34FEqDeB/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C7FD353.9060302@rogers.com> <671152.41442.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100902151246.0010d9d2.tleslie@tcn.net> <20100902151601.6fbbbe48.tleslie@tcn.net> <962248.78080.qm@web110809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100902205051.GT2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 01:11:21PM -0700, William Park wrote: > I didn't know HDMI cables ran that long. Probably, got confused with VGA > cables. > Yes, for my immediate need, 5-10m HDMI cable will be fine. I'll look into > HDMI-to-ethernet option, though. > > I don't know why modulators are so expensive. If they can sell ATSC/QAM usb > tuner for $40, I would think ATSC/QAM modulator could be in the same ball park. They make millions of tuner/decoders for consumer devices (TVs,PVRs, etc). They probably make modulators by the thousands. Mainly needed by TV broadcasters and cable companies. Totally different production quantities. The modulator probably also has to be much more precise since it is generating signals, not receiving. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 20:53:58 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 16:53:58 -0400 Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? In-Reply-To: <20100902161927.8d98c013.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C7FD353.9060302@rogers.com> <671152.41442.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100902151246.0010d9d2.tleslie@tcn.net> <20100902151601.6fbbbe48.tleslie@tcn.net> <962248.78080.qm@web110809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100902161927.8d98c013.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <20100902205358.GU2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 04:19:27PM -0400, ted leslie wrote: > dont forget to check into if its dvi-d , dvi-i, hdmi etc, etc, to make sure you get the right one, > and/or convertors if necessary. Well HDMI is digital. It does audio and video. DVI-D is digital, same video signal as HDMI (a simple cable will adapt between the two). No audio at all of course. DVI-A (rare) is analog only. VGA compatible, just a simple cable change. DVI-I is both DVI-A and DVI-D, so you can do either VGA analog or DVI digital video signals. For tv with audio and video, you would want something that does hdmi from the PC to the TV. I t can convert to ethernet along the way, as long as it really does carry all of HDMI. Anything meant for DVI will only carry video (no audio). Not useful for TV. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 17:29:32 2010 From: jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (John Sellens) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 13:29:32 -0400 Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? Message-ID: <201009021729.o82HTWba019710@john.syonex.com> ChannelPlus makes some devices that take video inputs and put them onto cable channels on coax. They used to have devices that would "merge", so you have the cable input, add 1 to 4 channels, and then run the cable output to the rest of your house. Look here for "video modulators": http://www.linearcorp.com/audio_video_distribution.php Hope that helps - cheers! John | From: William Park | | Is there a way to do in reverse? That is, send a recorded TV program into RG-6 | coax | cable in its original format, so that on the remote side, it would be as though | it's coming | from antenna. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 22:37:52 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 18:37:52 -0400 Subject: TV Tuner in reverse? In-Reply-To: <201009021729.o82HTWba019710-Jipd69o+pMeeO54lu/exkA@public.gmane.org> References: <201009021729.o82HTWba019710@john.syonex.com> Message-ID: <20100902223752.GV2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 01:29:32PM -0400, John Sellens wrote: > ChannelPlus makes some devices that take video inputs and put > them onto cable channels on coax. They used to have devices that would > "merge", so you have the cable input, add 1 to 4 channels, and then run > the cable output to the rest of your house. > > Look here for "video modulators": > http://www.linearcorp.com/audio_video_distribution.php > > Hope that helps - cheers! NTSC (mono) only by the looks of it. One would need to be pretty desperate to go for that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 3 18:26:27 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: DVI cable terminology [was Re:TV Tuner in reverse?] In-Reply-To: <20100902151601.6fbbbe48.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C7FD353.9060302@rogers.com> <671152.41442.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100902151246.0010d9d2.tleslie@tcn.net> <20100902151601.6fbbbe48.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: | From: ted leslie | Subject: Re: [TLUG]: TV Tuner in reverse? | http://cgi.ebay.com/25-FOOT-7-6M-New-Extention-Male-Male-DVI-24-1-Cable-/290414609448?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item439e0f4428#ht_2422wt_1139 | | might help if i posted the link to what the "these" were :) That turns out to be from an Etobicoke store. The title on the auction is: 25' FOOT (7.6M) New Extention Male-Male DVI 24+1 Cable What does 24+1 mean in this? Perhaps it is relevant that DVI has 24 regular pins and 4 or 5 "C" pins. I'm asking because I'm trying to figure out the best way to hook up my Acer Revo HDMI output to a DVI input. One of these DVI inputs requires "dual link". I'm trying to figure out how to tell if a cable is dual link. One example is this cable: The sparse description is: "6 FT DVI (18+1+2) TO HDMI CABLE". What does thoe 18+1+2 mean? Guess: this must be only single link. Oh, and another thing. I haven't been able to find out if the Revo supports dual link output. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 3 20:01:47 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:01:47 -0400 Subject: DVI cable terminology [was Re:TV Tuner in reverse?] In-Reply-To: References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C7FD353.9060302@rogers.com> <671152.41442.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100902151246.0010d9d2.tleslie@tcn.net> <20100902151601.6fbbbe48.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <20100903200147.GW2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 02:26:27PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > That turns out to be from an Etobicoke store. > > The title on the auction is: > 25' FOOT (7.6M) New Extention Male-Male DVI 24+1 Cable > > What does 24+1 mean in this? DVI-D dual link has 24 pins and 1 horizontal bar. DVI-D single link has 18 pins and 1 horizontal bar. The 4 pins around the bar or plus are for analog (VGA) signals. Not of any interest to a monitor with DVI input unless it is a CRT. > Perhaps it is relevant that DVI has 24 regular pins and 4 or 5 "C" > pins. > > I'm asking because I'm trying to figure out the best way to hook up my > Acer Revo HDMI output to a DVI input. One of these DVI inputs > requires "dual link". I'm trying to figure out how to tell if a cable > is dual link. HDMI doesn't do dual link. So you can't get dual link DVI from HDMI. The only thing that requires dual link is the 30" 2560x1600 displays (and other equally high displays. I think there is a 2560x1440 27" as well). 1920x1200 and lower does not need or use dual link DVI. Now since HDMI will be from a device that does at most 1920x1080 (or maybe 1920x1200, but unlikely), then single link is all you require. The monitor may be capable of more, but it isn't going to get that from an HDMI source. > One example is this cable: > > > The sparse description is: "6 FT DVI (18+1+2) TO HDMI CABLE". > What does thoe 18+1+2 mean? Guess: this must be only single link. Certainly only single link. But as I said, that's expected. > Oh, and another thing. I haven't been able to find out if the Revo > supports dual link output. Unless it has a DVI connector, it won't. HDMI type B has dual link support, but no product uses it. It is a 29pin HDMI connector. The normal HDMI type A is 19 pin. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 4 20:08:37 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 16:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: DVI cable terminology [was Re:TV Tuner in reverse?] In-Reply-To: <20100903200147.GW2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C7FD353.9060302@rogers.com> <671152.41442.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100902151246.0010d9d2.tleslie@tcn.net> <20100902151601.6fbbbe48.tleslie@tcn.net> <20100903200147.GW2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | HDMI doesn't do dual link. So you can't get dual link DVI from HDMI. It seems you are right. I was mislead by assuming sanity. So HDMI was born limited to 1920x1200 -- how very silly. Sounds like a raison d'etre for Display Port. says that the HDMI 1.3 standard (2006 June) doubled the frequency limit and thus allows for 2560x1600. I think that you need "high speed" Category 2 cables. Since that is without being dual link, converting that to dual link DVI seems non-trivial. I was also mislead by things like this: Notice this talks about dual link on the DVI side. The point of that now escapes me. | The only thing that requires dual link is the 30" 2560x1600 displays | (and other equally high displays. I think there is a 2560x1440 27" | as well). 1920x1200 and lower does not need or use dual link DVI. Right. I had thought that I might try running my 30" with one of my new Revos. It is currently being run by a c2q6600 box that takes a lot of electricity (see my earlier posts for power measurements). | > Oh, and another thing. I haven't been able to find out if the Revo | > supports dual link output. | | Unless it has a DVI connector, it won't. HDMI type B has dual link | support, but no product uses it. It is a 29pin HDMI connector. The normal | HDMI type A is 19 pin. Apparently the Ion chipset supports dual link. Too bad that the capability is lost in the Revo. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 05:22:59 2010 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 01:22:59 -0400 Subject: forwarding *some* web traffic to a virtual machine Message-ID: Hi folks, I have a box that is permitted a single IP address; the box runs one host OS and a single guest virtual machine. Both these systems need to serve web pages, and for now, both run Ubuntu (I can change this before deployment if I have to). Right now (on my home network, where I'm setting this up temporarily) I am using a network bridge to connect the VM to the outside world. This is incredibly convenient, but it means that I need two IP addresses. Given that that's not permitted in the final network environment, how do I best send traffic addressed to certain domains to the VM? It would be great if the solution allowed me to continue to ssh into the VM, too -- I really like being able to do that. Thanks a million, as always, Matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 06:16:34 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 02:16:34 -0400 Subject: forwarding *some* web traffic to a virtual machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100906021634.f0202c1e.tleslie@tcn.net> you can have services on different ports (8080, etc), and just forward those port onto the os on the vm.(iptables). If you have to keep both listening on 80, have the vm os on a unroutable ip, and use a apache proxy to forward appropriately (from the host). tl On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 01:22:59 -0400 Matt Price wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have a box that is permitted a single IP address; the box runs one host OS > and a single guest virtual machine. Both these systems need to serve web > pages, and for now, both run Ubuntu (I can change this before deployment if > I have to). Right now (on my home network, where I'm setting this up > temporarily) I am using a network bridge to connect the VM to the outside > world. This is incredibly convenient, but it means that I need two IP > addresses. Given that that's not permitted in the final network environment, > how do I best send traffic addressed to certain domains to the VM? It would > be great if the solution allowed me to continue to ssh into the VM, too -- I > really like being able to do that. > > Thanks a million, as always, > Matt > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 11:44:29 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 07:44:29 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [u-u] Unix Unanimous meeting - Wed 8 Sep 2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FYI: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Unix Unanimous Webmaster Date: Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 12:01 AM Subject: [u-u] Unix Unanimous meeting - Wed 8 Sep 2010 To: u-u-nUbHFpetmNumKAeH2fHhIti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org The next meeting of Unix Unanimous will be held at 6:45 pm on Wednesday ?8 September 2010, in room BA 2179 on the 2nd floor of the the Bahen Centre for Information Technology at 40 St. George Street, on the University of Toronto campus. Unix Unanimous is an informal gathering of people interested in Unix and related topics. There are no fees or membership requirements, and the meeting is open to all. Participants typically include Unix professionals, students, and hobbyists. This message will be repeated on the Monday before the meeting. If there are any items for the agenda, email u-u-owner-nUbHFpetmNumKAeH2fHhIti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org before then. The meeting is always held on the second Wednesday of each month. Special Announcements: A mailing list has been set up for this announcement. If you wish to receive notification via email, go to the web page https://unixunanimous.org/mailman/listinfo/u-u/ in order to subscribe yourself. A map of the area can be found at http://unixunanimous.org where this message is repeated, and will always contain the correct location and time of the next meeting. _______________________________________________ u-u mailing list u-u-sb41XHKw7bdvuSlQZN9BUtrUbErFZevf at public.gmane.org https://unixunanimous.org/mailman/listinfo/u-u -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 12:31:31 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 08:31:31 -0400 Subject: forwarding *some* web traffic to a virtual machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C84DF23.5050802@rogers.com> Matt Price wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have a box that is permitted a single IP address; the box runs one > host OS and a single guest virtual machine. Both these systems need > to serve web pages, and for now, both run Ubuntu (I can change this > before deployment if I have to). Right now (on my home network, where > I'm setting this up temporarily) I am using a network bridge to > connect the VM to the outside world. This is incredibly convenient, > but it means that I need two IP addresses. Given that that's not > permitted in the final network environment, how do I best send traffic > addressed to certain domains to the VM? It would be great if the > solution allowed me to continue to ssh into the VM, too -- I really > like being able to do that. > > Thanks a million, as always, > Matt > Have you considered IPv6? You can use a tunnel broker (I use http://gogonet.gogo6.com) to get an IPv6 address, even if one would not otherwise be available. I have a /56 subnet* on my home network and get a single IPv6 address on my notebook when I'm away from home. GogoNET has clients for Linux, Windows, Mac etc., which can be configured for either subnet or single address mode. * A /56 subnet is about a trillion times the size on the entire, world wide, IPv4 internet. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 12:59:06 2010 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 08:59:06 -0400 Subject: forwarding *some* web traffic to a virtual machine In-Reply-To: <4C84DF23.5050802-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C84DF23.5050802@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 8:31 AM, James Knott wrote: > Matt Price wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> I have a box that is permitted a single IP address; the box runs one host >> OS and a single guest virtual machine. Both these systems need to serve web >> pages, and for now, both run Ubuntu (I can change this before deployment if >> I have to). Right now (on my home network, where I'm setting this up >> temporarily) I am using a network bridge to connect the VM to the outside >> world. This is incredibly convenient, but it means that I need two IP >> addresses. Given that that's not permitted in the final network environment, >> how do I best send traffic addressed to certain domains to the VM? It would >> be great if the solution allowed me to continue to ssh into the VM, too -- I >> really like being able to do that. >> >> Thanks a million, as always, >> Matt >> >> Have you considered IPv6? You can use a tunnel broker (I use > http://gogonet.gogo6.com) to get an IPv6 address, even if one would not > otherwise be available. I have a /56 subnet* on my home network and get a > single IPv6 address on my notebook when I'm away from home. GogoNET has > clients for Linux, Windows, Mac etc., which can be configured for either > subnet or single address mode. > > * A /56 subnet is about a trillion times the size on the entire, world > wide, IPv4 internet. > > -- > I did wonder about it, though I'm completely ignorant of IPv6 One question: - is there still a significant fraction of users who can't access IPv6? I remember I'he had IPv6 turned off on some machines because of wierd bugs in low-level services, I think involving interactions with MS DNS or something (not sure that's right); anyway is that sitll a issue? I ask only because I want to be sure everyone can access all the sites. And also, I guess, how hard is it to set up ipv6 interfaces -- do they use the same syntax in /etc/network/interfaces, for instance? If so then it does seem like a really good option; the bridged network, once set up, is so transparent to use, I'm very grateful for that. matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 13:26:37 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 09:26:37 -0400 Subject: Computer store fire Message-ID: <4C84EC0D.1080001@rogers.com> The Canada Computers store at College and Bathurst was destroyed by fire. http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/857192--6-alarm-fire-in-kensington-market?bn=1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 13:36:11 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 09:36:11 -0400 Subject: forwarding *some* web traffic to a virtual machine In-Reply-To: References: <4C84DF23.5050802@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C84EE4B.2060403@rogers.com> Matt Price wrote: > I did wonder about it, though I'm completely ignorant of IPv6 One > question: > - is there still a significant fraction of users who can't access > IPv6? I remember I'he had IPv6 turned off on some machines because of > wierd bugs in low-level services, I think involving interactions with > MS DNS or something (not sure that's right); anyway is that sitll a > issue? I ask only because I want to be sure everyone can access all > the sites. And also, I guess, how hard is it to set up ipv6 > interfaces -- do they use the same syntax in /etc/network/interfaces, > for instance? If so then it does seem like a really good option; the > bridged network, once set up, is so transparent to use, I'm very > grateful for that. It's very easy to configure. You just install the client, configure for the montreal server and whether you want a subnet or single address client, connect and you've got IPv6 networking available. You can use an annonymous account for single address mode, but you'll need to set up an account for a subnet. With an account, you get static addresses. On my home network, I can use IPv6 for Linux, XP and even my Nexus One smart phone. There are new "ip" commands that replace ifconfig and work with both IPv6 and IPv4 addresses. IIRC, ifconfig has been depreciated for a few years now. However, for the most part, IPv6 is plug & play. The router advertises itself to the local network and all the computers automagically configure their IP address based on the subnet address and their MAC address. No need for manual configuration or DHCP, although those are also possible. You'll want to add the IPv6 addresses to your hosts files, unless you have a DNS available that supports the IPv6 AAAA records. That client I use, uses 6in4 tunneling (IP protocol 41) when connected directly to a real internet address or UDP encapsulation when behind a NAT firewall. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 13:59:48 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 09:59:48 -0400 Subject: forwarding *some* web traffic to a virtual machine In-Reply-To: <4C84EE4B.2060403-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C84DF23.5050802@rogers.com> <4C84EE4B.2060403@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C84F3D4.5010601@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > You'll want to add the IPv6 addresses to your hosts files, unless you > have a DNS available that supports the IPv6 AAAA records. Forgot to mention, you get one DNS name with an account. That name will point to your end of the tunnel in subnet mode or right to the computer in single address mode. However, that name is just your account name on their domain. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 15:26:57 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 11:26:57 -0400 Subject: Computer store fire In-Reply-To: <4C84EC0D.1080001-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C84EC0D.1080001@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100906152657.GA4045@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 09:26:37AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > The Canada Computers store at College and Bathurst was destroyed by fire. > http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/857192--6-alarm-fire-in-kensington-market?bn=1 It may not be appropriate, but any "fire sale"? -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 16:21:48 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 12:21:48 -0400 Subject: Computer store fire In-Reply-To: <4C84EC0D.1080001-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C84EC0D.1080001@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 9:26 AM, James Knott wrote: > The Canada Computers store at College and Bathurst was destroyed by fire. > http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/857192--6-alarm-fire-in-kensington-market?bn=1 This is unfortunate, I did like being able to easily / quickly compare prices between Canada Computers and the other shops along that stretch of College St. between Spadina and Bathurst. Now for visiting Canada Computers, I guess I will have to go to Yonge and Finch :-( . The one bit of good news in all this being that nobody was killed and from the sound of things, no serious injuries. Colin McGregor > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 18:15:46 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 14:15:46 -0400 Subject: Computer store fire In-Reply-To: <20100906152657.GA4045-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4C84EC0D.1080001@rogers.com> <20100906152657.GA4045@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:26 AM, William Park wrote: > On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 09:26:37AM -0400, James Knott wrote: >> The Canada Computers store at College and Bathurst was destroyed by fire. >> http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/857192--6-alarm-fire-in-kensington-market?bn=1 > > It may not be appropriate, but any "fire sale"? > I admit, I thought about it too :-) -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 18:24:29 2010 From: mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dan McCudden) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 12:24:29 -0600 Subject: Computer store fire In-Reply-To: References: <4C84EC0D.1080001@rogers.com> <20100906152657.GA4045@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <-564938017859152046@unknownmsgid> Probably nothing salable now, if the basement caught fire. That's a nuisance, I liked the place. On 2010-09-06, at 12:16 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:26 AM, William Park wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 09:26:37AM -0400, James Knott wrote: >>> The Canada Computers store at College and Bathurst was destroyed by fire. >>> http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/857192--6-alarm-fire-in-kensington-market?bn=1 >> >> It may not be appropriate, but any "fire sale"? >> > > I admit, I thought about it too :-) > > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 18:32:20 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 14:32:20 -0400 Subject: Computer store fire In-Reply-To: <-564938017859152046@unknownmsgid> References: <4C84EC0D.1080001@rogers.com> <20100906152657.GA4045@node1.opengeometry.net> <-564938017859152046@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I would imagine that it will be rebuilt, eventually, perhaps at another location. On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Dan McCudden wrote: > Probably nothing salable now, if the basement caught fire. That's a > nuisance, I liked the place. > > On 2010-09-06, at 12:16 PM, Thomas Milne > wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:26 AM, William Park wrote: >>> On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 09:26:37AM -0400, James Knott wrote: >>>> The Canada Computers store at College and Bathurst was destroyed by fire. >>>> http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/857192--6-alarm-fire-in-kensington-market?bn=1 >>> >>> It may not be appropriate, but any "fire sale"? >>> >> >> I admit, I thought about it too :-) >> >> >> -- >> TBM >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 18:35:16 2010 From: mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dan McCudden) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 12:35:16 -0600 Subject: Computer store fire In-Reply-To: References: <4C84EC0D.1080001@rogers.com> <20100906152657.GA4045@node1.opengeometry.net> <-564938017859152046@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <-7806742368207836331@unknownmsgid> Hopefully at or near the same location. I don't fancy going from Parkdale to Vaughan or Markham or something for cheap computer bits. On 2010-09-06, at 12:32 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > I would imagine that it will be rebuilt, eventually, perhaps at > another location. > > On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Dan McCudden wrote: >> Probably nothing salable now, if the basement caught fire. That's a >> nuisance, I liked the place. >> >> On 2010-09-06, at 12:16 PM, Thomas Milne >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:26 AM, William Park wrote: >>>> On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 09:26:37AM -0400, James Knott wrote: >>>>> The Canada Computers store at College and Bathurst was destroyed by fire. >>>>> http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/857192--6-alarm-fire-in-kensington-market?bn=1 >>>> >>>> It may not be appropriate, but any "fire sale"? >>>> >>> >>> I admit, I thought about it too :-) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> TBM >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 18:39:02 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 14:39:02 -0400 Subject: Computer store fire In-Reply-To: <-564938017859152046@unknownmsgid> References: <4C84EC0D.1080001@rogers.com> <20100906152657.GA4045@node1.opengeometry.net> <-564938017859152046@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Dan McCudden wrote: > Probably nothing salable now, if the basement caught fire. That's a > nuisance, I liked the place. True, though a certain ... morbid ... sense of curiosity caused me to look at their on-line catalog and it still shows stock on a fairly wide range of items for their College Street location... I hope / trust that they had proper fire insurance and that they rebuild/reopen near College and Spadina SOON. In the mean time I do feel sorry for the store staff and the people who lived in the apartments over the store, all of whom are hurt by this fire (some folks left homeless others likely jobless...). Colin. > On 2010-09-06, at 12:16 PM, Thomas Milne > wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:26 AM, William Park wrote: >>> On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 09:26:37AM -0400, James Knott wrote: >>>> The Canada Computers store at College and Bathurst was destroyed by fire. >>>> http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/857192--6-alarm-fire-in-kensington-market?bn=1 >>> >>> It may not be appropriate, but any "fire sale"? >>> >> >> I admit, I thought about it too :-) >> >> >> -- >> TBM >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 18:46:20 2010 From: mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dan McCudden) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 12:46:20 -0600 Subject: Computer store fire In-Reply-To: References: <4C84EC0D.1080001@rogers.com> <20100906152657.GA4045@node1.opengeometry.net> <-564938017859152046@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <3203178558445957849@unknownmsgid> And there's that as well. A bad situation for all concerned. On 2010-09-06, at 12:39 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Dan McCudden wrote: >> Probably nothing salable now, if the basement caught fire. That's a >> nuisance, I liked the place. > > True, though a certain ... morbid ... sense of curiosity caused me to > look at their on-line catalog and it still shows stock on a fairly > wide range of items for their College Street location... I hope / > trust that they had proper fire insurance and that they rebuild/reopen > near College and Spadina SOON. In the mean time I do feel sorry for > the store staff and the people who lived in the apartments over the > store, all of whom are hurt by this fire (some folks left homeless > others likely jobless...). > > Colin. > >> On 2010-09-06, at 12:16 PM, Thomas Milne >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:26 AM, William Park wrote: >>>> On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 09:26:37AM -0400, James Knott wrote: >>>>> The Canada Computers store at College and Bathurst was destroyed by fire. >>>>> http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/857192--6-alarm-fire-in-kensington-market?bn=1 >>>> >>>> It may not be appropriate, but any "fire sale"? >>>> >>> >>> I admit, I thought about it too :-) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> TBM >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 22:16:11 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:16:11 -0400 Subject: Computer store fire In-Reply-To: References: <4C84EC0D.1080001@rogers.com> <20100906152657.GA4045@node1.opengeometry.net> <-564938017859152046@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <4C85682B.3030507@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > True, though a certain ... morbid ... sense of curiosity caused me to > look at their on-line catalog and it still shows stock on a fairly > wide range of items for their College Street location. But the web site also says the store is closed for "renovations". -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 22:18:32 2010 From: mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dan McCudden) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 16:18:32 -0600 Subject: Computer store fire In-Reply-To: <4C85682B.3030507-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C84EC0D.1080001@rogers.com> <20100906152657.GA4045@node1.opengeometry.net> <-564938017859152046@unknownmsgid> <4C85682B.3030507@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4307920922976560459@unknownmsgid> It's had the heck renovated out of it now. On 2010-09-06, at 4:16 PM, James Knott wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: >> True, though a certain ... morbid ... sense of curiosity caused me to >> look at their on-line catalog and it still shows stock on a fairly >> wide range of items for their College Street location. > But the web site also says the store is closed for "renovations". > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 02:50:27 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 22:50:27 -0400 Subject: Canadian OTA TV channels... where is CTV? Message-ID: <20100907025027.GA4243@node1.opengeometry.net> Does CTV broadcast over the air? I'm getting CBC, CHCH, Global, OMNI 1 & 2, and ION. But, I can't find CTV. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 02:56:17 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 22:56:17 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: Canadian OTA TV channels... where is CTV? In-Reply-To: <20100907025027.GA4243-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100907025027.GA4243@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:50 PM, William Park wrote: > Does CTV broadcast over the air? Yes. CTV in HD is on physical channel 40 and shows up on the display as 9-1. While not quite as solid as CBC, at least from where I am they are fairly powerful. Here is a list of digital stations available to us in the greater Toronto area: http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/index.html Colin. > I'm getting CBC, CHCH, Global, OMNI 1 & 2, and ION. ?But, I can't find > CTV. > -- > William > > -- > The Myth TV mailing list > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 03:06:54 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 23:06:54 -0400 Subject: Canadian OTA TV channels... where is CTV? In-Reply-To: <20100907025027.GA4243-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100907025027.GA4243@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: Channel 9. On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:50 PM, William Park wrote: > Does CTV broadcast over the air? > I'm getting CBC, CHCH, Global, OMNI 1 & 2, and ION. But, I can't find > CTV. > -- > William > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 10:56:18 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:56:18 -0400 Subject: Canadian OTA TV channels... where is CTV? In-Reply-To: <20100907025027.GA4243-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100907025027.GA4243@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4C861A52.5030302@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > Does CTV broadcast over the air? > I'm getting CBC, CHCH, Global, OMNI 1& 2, and ION. But, I can't find > CTV. > I receive it in Mississauga, using only a set top UHF antenna. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 11:00:06 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 07:00:06 -0400 Subject: Canadian OTA TV channels... where is CTV? In-Reply-To: References: <20100907025027.GA4243@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4C861B36.5010707@rogers.com> Dave Germiquet wrote: > Channel 9. Digital TV channels are often broadcast on different frequencies than their channel number might indicate. According to Wikipedia, they are temporarily transmitting the HD signal on Ch 40, as 9.1. They'll move the digital signal to Ch 9, after the analog cut off next year. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 12:43:31 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:43:31 -0400 Subject: Fwd: FREE GEEK TORONTO , Open House Invite and Volunteer Opportunity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was asked to pass this along. Good people, and I have run a few of the workshops at their 51 Vine Ave. location (most recently the introduction to MythTV). -------------------------------------- Dear Colleagues, ANNOUNCING AN OPEN HOUSE?FOR FREEGEEK TORONTO, A NEW OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY TECHNOLOGY ORGANIZATION?IN THE JUNCTION AREA?OF TORONTO! You are cordially invited to the OPEN HOUSE on Saturday, September 11, 12:00-5:00 pm at 51 Vine Avenue, Toronto (steps from corner of Dundas West & Keele). The mission of www.freegeektoronto.org is to reduce environmental waste by implementing a reduce/reuse/recycle philosophy and to enable the community to learn about computers, enable individuals to?own?a?computer, using open source software and delivering educational and fun workshops. Please spread the good word around and come join us to celebrate in the spirit of community building and environmental consciousness. One last note, if you have or you know someone who could donate their used computers or any technological accessories, please let us know! Thanks for your help and look forward to see you at our Open House or the Orientation Sessions held on Saturdays from Noon to 1 pm at Free Geek Toronto. Judith Hart marketing-communication specialist/creative artist & community builder mobile: 647 262 5180 www.freegeektoronto.org 'Helping the NEEDY to get NERDY' -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 13:33:50 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:33:50 -0400 Subject: Canadian OTA TV channels... where is CTV? In-Reply-To: <4C861B36.5010707-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100907025027.GA4243@node1.opengeometry.net> <4C861B36.5010707@rogers.com> Message-ID: oh hmm i get it ota digital on channel 9 in toronto > Dave Germiquet wrote: >> Channel 9. > Digital TV channels are often broadcast on different frequencies than > their channel number might indicate. According to Wikipedia, they are > temporarily transmitting the HD signal on Ch 40, as 9.1. They'll move > the digital signal to Ch 9, after the analog cut off next year. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 18:26:55 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:26:55 -0400 Subject: DVI cable terminology [was Re:TV Tuner in reverse?] In-Reply-To: References: <404680.48449.qm@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C7FD353.9060302@rogers.com> <671152.41442.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100902151246.0010d9d2.tleslie@tcn.net> <20100902151601.6fbbbe48.tleslie@tcn.net> <20100903200147.GW2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100907182655.GX2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Sep 04, 2010 at 04:08:37PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > It seems you are right. I was mislead by assuming sanity. So HDMI > was born limited to 1920x1200 -- how very silly. Sounds like a raison > d'etre for Display Port. > > says that the HDMI 1.3 standard > (2006 June) doubled the frequency limit and thus allows for 2560x1600. > I think that you need "high speed" Category 2 cables. Since that is > without being dual link, converting that to dual link DVI seems > non-trivial. Right. DVI is a dead standard (it will never be updated) so it can't be updated to the new HDMI speeds. Now if you have a video card with native HDMI that supports the newer speeds, and a display supporting the newer HDMI speeds, then you can do more than 1920x1200 on HDMI. But for standard HDMI the assumption pretty much is that 1920x1200p60 is it. > I was also mislead by things like this: > > Notice this talks about dual link on the DVI side. The point of that > now escapes me. It says it supports dual link cables. It doesn't promise dual link support. > Right. I had thought that I might try running my 30" with one of my > new Revos. It is currently being run by a c2q6600 box that takes a > lot of electricity (see my earlier posts for power measurements). The Dell 3008WFP does NOT support more than 1920x1080 on HDMI, and for those dealing with HDCP, it doesn't support that on dual link DVI either, so again 1920x1080 (or 1920x1200 maybe) max for that. Not sure if displayport does better. > Apparently the Ion chipset supports dual link. Too bad that the > capability is lost in the Revo. > > The Ion appears to also be HDMI 1.3, so it can do 7.1 LPCM audio. Not sure if that also means it could do more than 1920x1200 HDMI if the display device supports it (which of course as I said above, a Dell 3008WFP certainly does not). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 20:58:44 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 16:58:44 -0400 Subject: forwarding *some* web traffic to a virtual machine In-Reply-To: References: <4C84DF23.5050802@rogers.com> Message-ID: James >>> Matt >>> >> Have you considered IPv6? ?You can use a tunnel broker (I use >> http://gogonet.gogo6.com) to get an IPv6 address, even if one would not >> otherwise be available. ?I have a /56 subnet* on my home network and get a >> single IPv6 address on my notebook when I'm away from home. ?GogoNET has >> clients for Linux, Windows, Mac etc., which can be configured for either >> subnet or single address mode. I am not certain this will help Matt. He is trying to avoid using 2 IPv4 IPs but still be reachable by the public - Who are all still mostly in IPv4. I think he solution is some kind of NAT/PAT and that is it Problem with using IPv6 is he will still not be reachable from IPv4. Those two protocols have different headers - for efficiency reasons - and therefore not compatible. That imply he will need a kind a tunnel, but one way or the other that tunnel will expose the IPv6 as 2 IPv4 IPs. So the initial problem will still remain only far down the stream. I could be wrong though >> >> * A /56 subnet is about a trillion times the size on the entire, world >> wide, IPv4 internet. >> >> -- > > I did wonder about it, though I'm completely ignorant of IPv6 One question: > - is there still a significant fraction of users who can't access IPv6?? I > remember I'he had IPv6 turned off on some machines because of wierd bugs in > low-level services, I think involving interactions with MS DNS or something > (not sure that's right); anyway is that sitll a issue?? I ask only because I > want to be sure everyone can access all the sites.? And also, I guess, how > hard is it to set up ipv6 interfaces -- do they use the same syntax in > /etc/network/interfaces, for instance?? If so then it does seem like a > really good option; the bridged network, once set up, is so transparent to > use, I'm very grateful for that. > > matt > Agree, setting up IPv6 is not hard. The hard part is making yourself reachable from the majority of the people out there. I love IPv6, but I still think that until we hit that critical mass, its more painful using IPv6 than IPv4. I do not doubt that will happen, likely in the next 2 to 3 years. Will be great to have NAT behind us after that William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 21:13:01 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 17:13:01 -0400 Subject: forwarding *some* web traffic to a virtual machine In-Reply-To: References: <4C84DF23.5050802@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C86AADD.3050208@rogers.com> William Muriithi wrote: > I am not certain this will help Matt. He is trying to avoid using 2 > IPv4 IPs but still be reachable by the public - Who are all still > mostly in IPv4. I think he solution is some kind of NAT/PAT and that > is it > > Problem with using IPv6 is he will still not be reachable from IPv4. > Those two protocols have different headers - for efficiency reasons - > and therefore not compatible. That imply he will need a kind a > tunnel, but one way or the other that tunnel will expose the IPv6 as 2 > IPv4 IPs. So the initial problem will still remain only far down the > stream. I could be wrong though > My understanding was that he wanted access to that computer using ssh etc. for a few computers. With the method I proposed, he would set up a tunnel from that computer, using it's existing single IPv4 address to the tunnel broker. He'd then set up the other computers with their own tunnels to that broker. All the computers will now have their own IPv6 addresses via the broker, so they can communicate via IPv6. It's just a method of making another IP address available, in a situation where there'd otherwise be just one. For the various protocols, it's completely transparent. In addition, he can configure a subnet, should he desire, to obtain a huge (2^72) number of IPv6 addresses. With some tunnel brokers, he can even get 2^80 (a trillion, trillion) addresses! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 22:50:23 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 18:50:23 -0400 Subject: Question about detecting LD Message-ID: An irritating situation has come up with a bug we've run into with Slony-I... We're looking to detect if a particular function is available, and the easiest way of testing for this seems to be to have autoconf/configure generate a C program consisting of a call to that function (PQisthreadsafe()). What turns out to be rather evil about the process is that varying platforms need varying flags passed to LD. What is further unfortunate is that this doesn't map anywhere near 1-to-1 against OS platforms. - On AIX, there's a hugely customized variation on ld, and that's pretty 1-to-1. - On Linux, almost always GNU ld is in use. (Except perhaps on embedded-ish distributions ala uclinux, which isn't much of a concern for us) - On Solaris, there are a couple of ld options. GNU versus, erm, something by, erm, Oracle ;-). - On BSD, there's usually a BSD-ish flavour of ld. (Though that might differ on Debian/kFreeBSD :-)). - It looks as though ld implementations try to follow GNU, for the most part, which mostly works, except when it doesn't. I'm not sure there are any other Unixes that anyone much cares about anymore (HP/UX, I suppose). The question is, has anyone found consistent ways to detect which ld flavour is in place? That seems to be an inherent part of the recipe. We've got a workaround that's working for now, that's not *too* heinously ugly, and that's not a zillion lines of crud, but in the world of "portably building stuff," I'd rather like to understand this one a little better. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 15:17:42 2010 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:17:42 -0400 Subject: forwarding *some* web traffic to a virtual machine In-Reply-To: <4C86AADD.3050208-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C84DF23.5050802@rogers.com> <4C86AADD.3050208@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 5:13 PM, James Knott wrote: > William Muriithi wrote: > >> I am not certain this will help Matt. He is trying to avoid using 2 >> IPv4 IPs but still be reachable by the public - Who are all still >> mostly in IPv4. I think he solution is some kind of NAT/PAT and that >> is it >> >> Problem with using IPv6 is he will still not be reachable from IPv4. >> Those two protocols have different headers - for efficiency reasons - >> and therefore not compatible. That imply he will need a kind a >> tunnel, but one way or the other that tunnel will expose the IPv6 as 2 >> IPv4 IPs. So the initial problem will still remain only far down the >> stream. I could be wrong though >> >> > > My understanding was that he wanted access to that computer using ssh etc. > for a few computers. With the method I proposed, he would set up a tunnel > from that computer, using it's existing single IPv4 address to the tunnel > broker. He'd then set up the other computers with their own tunnels to that > broker. All the computers will now have their own IPv6 addresses via the > broker, so they can communicate via IPv6. It's just a method of making > another IP address available, in a situation where there'd otherwise be just > one. For the various protocols, it's completely transparent. In addition, > he can configure a subnet, should he desire, to obtain a huge (2^72) number > of IPv6 addresses. With some tunnel brokers, he can even get 2^80 (a > trillion, trillion) addresses! a trillion trillion! i could serv each web page from a billion, trillion addresses! I think James is right that IPv6 is not the right thing for me at the moment. It's true I'll need to have ssh access to the VM's only from a few computers, but I suppose I could just do that with something like this: ssh host.computer.dns.entry -e "ssh internal.private.ip.of.vm" i hadn't realized that the default NAT network options for vmbuilder allow straightforward network connection to the vm. that actually works veyr well for me -- o at least, i think it will -- currently waiting for hte u of t admins to hook my box up... thanks again to eveyrone, matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 15:24:30 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:24:30 -0400 Subject: forwarding *some* web traffic to a virtual machine In-Reply-To: References: <4C84DF23.5050802@rogers.com> <4C86AADD.3050208@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C87AAAE.8020205@rogers.com> Matt Price wrote: > a trillion trillion! i could serv each web page from a billion, > trillion addresses! That may seem like a lot, but I've already used 6 of my 4722366482869645213696 addresses. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 14:25:20 2010 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 10:25:20 -0400 Subject: trouble with VESA xserver (was Re: Trouble installing Debian on Atom D410) In-Reply-To: <1652FE53-F0D8-4585-BC07-00630D57646F-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <1652FE53-F0D8-4585-BC07-00630D57646F@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <55D43275-063A-4014-A520-173AF18D3B45@sarg.ryerson.ca> Progress and frustration... On 2010-Sep-6, at 20:39 , Dave Mason wrote: > when I pulled the USB key and reboot the screen goes black, then > (uniform) midnight blue and then nothing happens except occasional > HDD light activity (some lasting a second of so) for quite a while > (very occasional (like 30 second intervals) for a few minutes). So I've figured out that text mode works fine, and the appropriate xorg server seems to be vesa, but the video I get from X seems to be so off the mark that the monitor (a i-inc 1920x1200 ih282) says there's no signal and goes into sleep mode. The frustrating (though fortunate) thing is that the Debian install worked fine in graphical install. But the USB key install environment is weird enough that I can't figure out how to duplicate it. I don't actually need great results at the moment as I just need it to debug my mythtv environment, but I will probably have a similar machine in the living room, so I'd like to figure it out eventually. gdm seems to run OK except for shutting the screen down (it shows up on ps). I did the "Xorg -configure" thing, but no difference. Help! ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 16:25:13 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:25:13 -0400 Subject: Moving to IPv6 Message-ID: <4C87B8E9.8060102@rogers.com> Some of you may have noticed me talking about IPv6 lately. IPv6 is coming and is necessary, as IPv4 addresses are estimated to reach exhaustion within a year. Everyone, particularly those managing web sites or business networks, should be making plans to support IPv6 ASAP. I realize that many ISPs do not yet support IPv6, so some method, such as using a tunnel broker, is required while waiting for ISPs to get up to date. I use gogoNET http://gogonet.gogo6.com. Another is Hurricane Electric http://he.net and there are others. In the mean time, call your ISP and ask about when IPv6 will be available. Then ask them why they're behind the times. ;-) Some hosting sites have IPv6 available, so all you'd have to do is use it. DNS servers will require AAAA record support, but BIND has supported that for several years. Here's a link to an article about moving to IPv6, with some more links to other articles. http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/ipv6/141456 BTW, for some reason, Seamonkey, on either Linux or Windows, does not like this site. Firefox and IE work fine. On my own network, I use OpenSUSE 11.0 (soon to be updated) on an old computer for my firewall. I use the tunnel to get a subnet with 2^72 addresses and all computers on my network, including my smart phone, get an IPv6 address automagically. When I'm away from home, I use the client to get a single IPv6 address on my ThinkPad. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 16:35:36 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:35:36 -0400 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <4C87B8E9.8060102-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C87B8E9.8060102@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100908123536.1b89801d.tleslie@tcn.net> We have been hearing this for years? As much as i would love this to happen ASAP, I can't help but think its still 4-5 years away? If it really was going to happen in the near term, wouldn't there be a official announcement, just like with going to digital tv (in canada/us)? I would have to guess that , once there is a official announcement, then there will be a 2-3 year prep period to hit the cut off? tl On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:25:13 -0400 James Knott wrote: > Some of you may have noticed me talking about IPv6 lately. IPv6 is > coming and is necessary, as IPv4 addresses are estimated to reach > exhaustion within a year. Everyone, particularly those managing web > sites or business networks, should be making plans to support IPv6 > ASAP. I realize that many ISPs do not yet support IPv6, so some method, > such as using a tunnel broker, is required while waiting for ISPs to get > up to date. I use gogoNET http://gogonet.gogo6.com. Another is > Hurricane Electric http://he.net and there are others. In the mean > time, call your ISP and ask about when IPv6 will be available. Then ask > them why they're behind the times. ;-) Some hosting sites have IPv6 > available, so all you'd have to do is use it. DNS servers will require > AAAA record support, but BIND has supported that for several years. > > Here's a link to an article about moving to IPv6, with some more links > to other articles. > http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/ipv6/141456 > > BTW, for some reason, Seamonkey, on either Linux or Windows, does not > like this site. Firefox and IE work fine. > > On my own network, I use OpenSUSE 11.0 (soon to be updated) on an old > computer for my firewall. I use the tunnel to get a subnet with 2^72 > addresses and all computers on my network, including my smart phone, get > an IPv6 address automagically. When I'm away from home, I use the > client to get a single IPv6 address on my ThinkPad. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 16:43:56 2010 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:43:56 -0400 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <4C87B8E9.8060102-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C87B8E9.8060102@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 8 September 2010 12:25, James Knott wrote: > In the mean time, call your ISP and ask about when IPv6 > will be available. ?Then ask them why they're behind the times. ?;-) So what did your ISP say when you called? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 17:02:30 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 13:02:30 -0400 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <20100908123536.1b89801d.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <4C87B8E9.8060102@rogers.com> <20100908123536.1b89801d.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <4C87C1A6.8040305@rogers.com> ted leslie wrote: > We have been hearing this for years? > As much as i would love this to happen ASAP, I can't help but think its still 4-5 years away? > If it really was going to happen in the near term, wouldn't there be a official announcement, just > like with going to digital tv (in canada/us)? I would have to guess that , once there is a official > announcement, then there will be a 2-3 year prep period to hit the cut off? > As I mentioned, there are estimates that IPv4 addresses will run out in a year or so. However, why not get ready now, instead of waiting? Those supporting networks should start building expertise now. All it'll cost to get going now is a bit of time. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 17:06:02 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 13:06:02 -0400 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: References: <4C87B8E9.8060102@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C87C27A.3030401@rogers.com> Scott Allen wrote: > On 8 September 2010 12:25, James Knott wrote: > >> In the mean time, call your ISP and ask about when IPv6 >> will be available. Then ask them why they're behind the times. ;-) >> > So what did your ISP say when you called? > > I haven't done that yet. ;-) However, I was talking to a hosting site manager for a major telecom/ISP a few months ago, and he said they had no plans for it. On the other hand, I have heard of some activity at Telus. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 17:19:51 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:19:51 -0400 Subject: trouble with VESA xserver (was Re: Trouble installing Debian on Atom D410) In-Reply-To: <55D43275-063A-4014-A520-173AF18D3B45-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <1652FE53-F0D8-4585-BC07-00630D57646F@sarg.ryerson.ca> <55D43275-063A-4014-A520-173AF18D3B45@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20100908171951.GY2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 10:25:20AM -0400, Dave Mason wrote: > So I've figured out that text mode works fine, and the appropriate xorg > server seems to be vesa, but the video I get from X seems to be so off > the mark that the monitor (a i-inc 1920x1200 ih282) says there's no > signal and goes into sleep mode. > > The frustrating (though fortunate) thing is that the Debian install > worked fine in graphical install. But the USB key install environment > is weird enough that I can't figure out how to duplicate it. I don't > actually need great results at the moment as I just need it to debug my > mythtv environment, but I will probably have a similar machine in the > living room, so I'd like to figure it out eventually. > > gdm seems to run OK except for shutting the screen down (it shows up on > ps). I did the "Xorg -configure" thing, but no difference. Well the graphical install probably uses a very minimal video mode (likely 640x480x16 vga). Other than by checking /var/log/Xorg.0.log there is not much to do to figure out why the display doesn't like the output being generated. Which video chip? Which X driver? Which video mode? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 19:39:58 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: trouble with VESA xserver (was Re: Trouble installing Debian on Atom D410) In-Reply-To: <55D43275-063A-4014-A520-173AF18D3B45-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <1652FE53-F0D8-4585-BC07-00630D57646F@sarg.ryerson.ca> <55D43275-063A-4014-A520-173AF18D3B45@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: | From: Dave Mason | On 2010-Sep-6, at 20:39 , Dave Mason wrote: I didn't see the Sept 6 message. The archives don't have it either. Where did you post it? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 20:51:40 2010 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 16:51:40 -0400 Subject: forwarding *some* web traffic to a virtual machine In-Reply-To: <4C87AAAE.8020205-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C84DF23.5050802@rogers.com> <4C86AADD.3050208@rogers.com> <4C87AAAE.8020205@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:24 AM, James Knott wrote: > Matt Price wrote: > >> a trillion trillion! i could serv each web page from a billion, trillion >> addresses! >> > > That may seem like a lot, but I've already used 6 of my > 4722366482869645213696 addresses. ;-) > > better slow down there james, at this rate you'll have used them all up before the solar system implodes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 21:31:59 2010 From: sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org (sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 17:31:59 -0400 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <20100908123536.1b89801d.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <4C87B8E9.8060102@rogers.com> <20100908123536.1b89801d.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <1f7f14ee53242273149754fb0a97f811.squirrel@mail.vex.net> Wikipedia also says there will be address exhaustion in a year. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but it seems the way that in the proposed IPv6, the way the address space will be allocated will make it possible for IPv4 to still work. An IPv4 address of A.B.C.D will be equal to an IPv6 address of A.B.C.D.0.0.0.0, for instance. Would a router have a problem with the trailing zeroes (the correct behaviour appears to be to toss them out)? The last four groups of hex digits make it possible to add more hierarchy to networks, making for a more finely-tuned management of the network. That may explain why there is not much of a panic, despite an agreed upon exhaustion of numbers by 2011. All that might really happen is your ISP will assign an IPv6 number, and your router will just ignore the last 4 sequences (which are probably just zeroes anyway), if all it knows is IPv4. Just wondering out loud. Not sure if any of this makes sense. Paul King > We have been hearing this for years? > As much as i would love this to happen ASAP, I can't help but think its > still 4-5 years away? > If it really was going to happen in the near term, wouldn't there be a > official announcement, just > like with going to digital tv (in canada/us)? I would have to guess that , > once there is a official > announcement, then there will be a 2-3 year prep period to hit the cut > off? > > tl > > On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:25:13 -0400 > James Knott wrote: > >> Some of you may have noticed me talking about IPv6 lately. IPv6 is >> coming and is necessary, as IPv4 addresses are estimated to reach >> exhaustion within a year. Everyone, particularly those managing web >> sites or business networks, should be making plans to support IPv6 >> ASAP. I realize that many ISPs do not yet support IPv6, so some method, >> such as using a tunnel broker, is required while waiting for ISPs to get >> up to date. I use gogoNET http://gogonet.gogo6.com. Another is >> Hurricane Electric http://he.net and there are others. In the mean >> time, call your ISP and ask about when IPv6 will be available. Then ask >> them why they're behind the times. ;-) Some hosting sites have IPv6 >> available, so all you'd have to do is use it. DNS servers will require >> AAAA record support, but BIND has supported that for several years. >> >> Here's a link to an article about moving to IPv6, with some more links >> to other articles. >> http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/ipv6/141456 >> >> BTW, for some reason, Seamonkey, on either Linux or Windows, does not >> like this site. Firefox and IE work fine. >> >> On my own network, I use OpenSUSE 11.0 (soon to be updated) on an old >> computer for my firewall. I use the tunnel to get a subnet with 2^72 >> addresses and all computers on my network, including my smart phone, get >> an IPv6 address automagically. When I'm away from home, I use the >> client to get a single IPv6 address on my ThinkPad. >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > -- > ted leslie > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 22:01:04 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 18:01:04 -0400 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <1f7f14ee53242273149754fb0a97f811.squirrel-41R2vWz+eC7k1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4C87B8E9.8060102@rogers.com> <20100908123536.1b89801d.tleslie@tcn.net> <1f7f14ee53242273149754fb0a97f811.squirrel@mail.vex.net> Message-ID: <20100908220104.GZ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 05:31:59PM -0400, sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org wrote: > Wikipedia also says there will be address exhaustion in a year. Forgive me > if I'm wrong, but it seems the way that in the proposed IPv6, the way the > address space will be allocated will make it possible for IPv4 to still > work. An IPv4 address of A.B.C.D will be equal to an IPv6 address of > A.B.C.D.0.0.0.0, for instance. Would a router have a problem with the > trailing zeroes (the correct behaviour appears to be to toss them out)? > The last four groups of hex digits make it possible to add more hierarchy > to networks, making for a more finely-tuned management of the network. > > That may explain why there is not much of a panic, despite an agreed upon > exhaustion of numbers by 2011. All that might really happen is your ISP > will assign an IPv6 number, and your router will just ignore the last 4 > sequences (which are probably just zeroes anyway), if all it knows is > IPv4. > > Just wondering out loud. Not sure if any of this makes sense. No it doesn't. IPv4 is 32bit. IPv6 is 128bit. If you used IPv4 style notation for IPv6 you would get x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x So you would have to add 12 zeroes to an IPv4 address to make it the right size. That however doesn't match with how IPv6 addresses are supposed to get allocated as far as I know. I have seen tunnels use FE:80::(IPv4 address) as the local address. That is, 192.168.1.1 would be FE80:0:0:0:0:0:C0A8:101 if used as a base for the link local address. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 00:11:04 2010 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:11:04 -0400 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <4C87C27A.3030401-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C87B8E9.8060102@rogers.com> <4C87C27A.3030401@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wednesday 8 September 2010 13:06:02 you wrote: > Scott Allen wrote: > > On 8 September 2010 12:25, James Knott wrote: > >> In the mean time, call your ISP and ask about when IPv6 > >> will be available. Then ask them why they're behind the times. ;-) > > > > So what did your ISP say when you called? > > I haven't done that yet. ;-) > > However, I was talking to a hosting site manager for a major telecom/ISP > a few months ago, and he said they had no plans for it. On the other > hand, I have heard of some activity at Telus. > The "activity" was probably Telus rolling over in its sleep. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From anton-P5WJPa9AKEc1GQ1Ptb7lUw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 00:41:06 2010 From: anton-P5WJPa9AKEc1GQ1Ptb7lUw at public.gmane.org (Anton Verevkin) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 00:41:06 +0000 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <4C87B8E9.8060102-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C87B8E9.8060102@rogers.com> Message-ID: <2f9a19d2a78553102a174610730f3434@veriksrv.vnet> "James Knott" wrote: > In the mean > time, call your ISP and ask about when IPv6 will be available. Then ask > them why they're behind the times. ;-) Some hosting sites have IPv6 > available, so all you'd have to do is use it. I was dreaming of IPv6 for quite a while, specifically to get rid of NAT and all the problems that it brings. But what I learned about it is that it's not the ISPs that stop us from using it now, but the applications that are not ready yet. You are speaking about web-servers and DNS, and these are probably the only applications that do support IPv6 now. But let's have a look at what else we use: - Mail servers. Some do support IPv6, most do not. And you can not really send an email from IPv4 to IPv6 server. - IP telephony. Asterisk that I am running is still somewhere in alpha- or beta- for IPv6 support. I do not want to put that on my should-be-stable system. - Printing. Is your network printer capable of running IPv6? Even if it is attached to a Linux box and you are printing from Windows. I am not sure. - Network monitoring tools. Are you using something like Nagios to know what's going on on your servers? It does not support IPv6. - Games. Try to connect WoW to IPv6-only network. Shall it work there? These are only the applications that I imagined while writing this. You can add more. And as for ISPs, most of their core equipment already supports IPv6, it is only the matter of configuring it. So they are ready, but everyone else is not. Regards, Anton -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 01:16:14 2010 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 21:16:14 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 12 Not Booting Message-ID: <20100908211614.2758e0e8.hgibson@eol.ca> I have just installed Fedora Core 12 on my desktop, and it is not booting. I am using the ext4 filesystem on my root partition. I have an old IDE drive as a backup, and a 500GB SATA drive as my primary. I am using the SATA drive, partition /dev/sdb1 for booting. I see the BIOS messages, then I get a gray, blinking cursor. I have tried the rescue DVD, and I can activate a command line with `chroot /mnt/sysimage`. I can see stuff installed on my drives. Does this look familiar to anyone? -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 01:31:46 2010 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 21:31:46 -0400 Subject: trouble with VESA xserver (was Re: Trouble installing Debian on Atom D410) In-Reply-To: References: <1652FE53-F0D8-4585-BC07-00630D57646F@sarg.ryerson.ca> <55D43275-063A-4014-A520-173AF18D3B45@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On 2010-Sep-8, at 15:39 , D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Dave Mason > > | On 2010-Sep-6, at 20:39 , Dave Mason wrote: > > I didn't see the Sept 6 message. The archives don't have it either. Just as well. I felt pretty dumb for not recognizing the initial problem until my 2.5 yo hit the reboot button! > Where did you post it? Here, but I might have sent it from the wrong email address. ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 01:34:22 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 21:34:22 -0400 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <1f7f14ee53242273149754fb0a97f811.squirrel-41R2vWz+eC7k1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4C87B8E9.8060102@rogers.com> <20100908123536.1b89801d.tleslie@tcn.net> <1f7f14ee53242273149754fb0a97f811.squirrel@mail.vex.net> Message-ID: <4C88399E.4040207@rogers.com> sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org wrote: > Wikipedia also says there will be address exhaustion in a year. Forgive me > if I'm wrong, but it seems the way that in the proposed IPv6, the way the > address space will be allocated will make it possible for IPv4 to still > work. An IPv4 address of A.B.C.D will be equal to an IPv6 address of > A.B.C.D.0.0.0.0, for instance. Would a router have a problem with the > trailing zeroes (the correct behaviour appears to be to toss them out)? > The last four groups of hex digits make it possible to add more hierarchy > to networks, making for a more finely-tuned management of the network. > > That may explain why there is not much of a panic, despite an agreed upon > exhaustion of numbers by 2011. All that might really happen is your ISP > will assign an IPv6 number, and your router will just ignore the last 4 > sequences (which are probably just zeroes anyway), if all it knows is > IPv4. > > Not quite. There are a couple of transition mechanism that make an IPv4 address appear as IPv6, using an address such as ::192.168.1.1 (the "::"represents a string of zeros to fill out the 128 bits. However, those methods can't be carried over an IPv4 network and may require a gateway or proxy to connect IPv4 to IPv6. On my own network, for example, I can create an address that includes the IPv4 address, but is actually an IPv6 address to reach IPv6 capable devices by referring to their IPv4 address. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 01:46:40 2010 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 21:46:40 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 12 Not Booting In-Reply-To: <20100908211614.2758e0e8.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100908211614.2758e0e8.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <4C883C80.40008@alteeve.com> Howard Gibson wrote: > I have just installed Fedora Core 12 on my desktop, and it is not booting. > ... I have an old IDE drive as a backup, and a 500GB SATA drive as my primary. I am using the SATA drive, partition /dev/sdb1 for booting. > > Does this look familiar to anyone? > Sadly, Yes... The last few times I tried to install Fedora with my old IDE drive and a SATA drive installed, I found that the drive labels where scrambled on the resulting install even though the Installer worked perfectly otherwise. The only solutions I found where: 1. Manually re-edit the drive info files so they where correct. 2. Install the OS on the SATA while the IDE was disconnected, then reconnect IDE after the OS is known working and assign the drive. I'm now working with option 3. Get a bigger SATA and don't worry about the IDE anymore. :P Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 02:05:35 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 22:05:35 -0400 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <20100908220104.GZ2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4C87B8E9.8060102@rogers.com> <20100908123536.1b89801d.tleslie@tcn.net> <1f7f14ee53242273149754fb0a97f811.squirrel@mail.vex.net> <20100908220104.GZ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4C8840EF.8010605@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > So you would have to add 12 zeroes to an IPv4 address to make it the > right size. That however doesn't match with how IPv6 addresses are > supposed to get allocated as far as I know. > > I have seen tunnels use FE:80::(IPv4 address) as the local address. > That is, 192.168.1.1 would be FE80:0:0:0:0:0:C0A8:101 if used as a base > for the link local address. There are a couple of methods specified in RFC 4291. These are ::192.168.1.1 and ::ffff:192.168.1.1. I've got the 1st one to work on my local network. However, it only works with devices that understand the IPv6 format. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 02:17:05 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 22:17:05 -0400 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: References: <4C87B8E9.8060102@rogers.com> <4C87C27A.3030401@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C8843A1.8020408@rogers.com> Gary Layng wrote: >> However, I was talking to a hosting site manager for a major telecom/ISP >> > a few months ago, and he said they had no plans for it. On the other >> > hand, I have heard of some activity at Telus. >> > >> > The "activity" was probably Telus rolling over in its sleep. > Actually, I recently was reading a paper by Telus engineer, about using MPLS (Multi Protocol Label Switching) to set up a VPN for carrying IPv6 over an IPv4 network. Commercial grade switches use MPLS to do a variety of things. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 02:24:02 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 22:24:02 -0400 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <2f9a19d2a78553102a174610730f3434-Efp6R71wwccuCXBAd9n0Eg@public.gmane.org> References: <2f9a19d2a78553102a174610730f3434@veriksrv.vnet> Message-ID: <4C884542.1040900@rogers.com> Anton Verevkin wrote: > I was dreaming of IPv6 for quite a while, specifically to get rid of NAT > and all the problems that it brings. But what I learned about it is that > it's not the ISPs that stop us from using it now, but the applications that > are not ready yet. You are speaking about web-servers and DNS, and these > are probably the only applications that do support IPv6 now. There are some applications that don't yet support IPv6, such as Webmin or CUPS. However, most of the protocols you'd find on the internet work fine with it. For the time being, it may be necessary to use a VPN to reach those that don't work with IPv6. > And as for ISPs, most of their core equipment already supports > IPv6, it is only the matter of configuring it. So they are ready, but > everyone else is not. > Perhaps, but the sooner they get their act in gear, the better. As an example, my Nexus One phone supports IPv6 and I can use to connect to IPv6 sites, when on my home network. However, as soon as I leave home and have to rely on Rogers, I no longer have IPv6 available. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 03:58:47 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:58:47 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 12 Not Booting In-Reply-To: <4C883C80.40008-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100908211614.2758e0e8.hgibson@eol.ca> <4C883C80.40008@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4C885B77.6050408@alteeve.com> On 10-09-08 09:46 PM, Lance F. Squire wrote: > Howard Gibson wrote: >> I have just installed Fedora Core 12 on my desktop, and it is not >> booting. >> ... I have an old IDE drive as a backup, and a 500GB SATA drive as my >> primary. I am using the SATA drive, partition /dev/sdb1 for booting. >> >> Does this look familiar to anyone? >> > > Sadly, Yes... > > The last few times I tried to install Fedora with my old IDE drive and a > SATA drive installed, I found that the drive labels where scrambled on > the resulting install even though the Installer worked perfectly otherwise. > > The only solutions I found where: > > 1. Manually re-edit the drive info files so they where correct. > > 2. Install the OS on the SATA while the IDE was disconnected, then > reconnect IDE after the OS is known working and assign the drive. > > I'm now working with option 3. Get a bigger SATA and don't worry about > the IDE anymore. :P > > Lance F. Squire I can't think of the magical incantation right now, but I suspect it's just a matter of reinstalling grub on the MBR. From the rescue disk. The second post in this thread seems to be right: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-235.html -- Digimer E-Mail: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 04:14:07 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 00:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: forwarding *some* web traffic to a virtual machine In-Reply-To: References: <4C84DF23.5050802@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: William Muriithi | I am not certain this will help Matt. He is trying to avoid using 2 | IPv4 IPs but still be reachable by the public - Who are all still | mostly in IPv4. I think he solution is some kind of NAT/PAT and that | is it | | Problem with using IPv6 is he will still not be reachable from IPv4. | Those two protocols have different headers - for efficiency reasons - | and therefore not compatible. That imply he will need a kind a | tunnel, but one way or the other that tunnel will expose the IPv6 as 2 | IPv4 IPs. So the initial problem will still remain only far down the | stream. I could be wrong though Makes sense to me. You'd need a way to address all IPv6 endpoints with an IPv4 address. This cannot be done because there are only 2^32 IPv4 addresses and 2^128 IPv6 addresses. There are various compromises to get around this, but they are not general. 1) both endpoints in a conversation must be speaking IPv6, or both must be speaking IPv4, or there is a proxy in the middle of the conversation to translate. The proxy does something very like NATing. 2) the intermediate points of a conversation must also use the same protocol UNLESS the conversation is carried by a tunnel. Using a tunnel adds translation overhead and often involves disoptimal routing of packets. It is easiest to think of there being two internets: the IPv4 cloud and the IPv6 cloud. The implementations of each may share infrastructure, but that isn't important at this level. It is possible to have disconnected IPv6 islands, but it is only useful for limited purposes and can create problems (i.e. you know an IPv6 address, and try to use it, but there is no route to that address because it is on a different island). If you switch to IPv6 at home, say, you might have local problems with some applications that are not willing to talk IPv6 (some applications have been mentioned). If your ISP does not handle IPv6, you will need a tunnel to a place in the IPv6 cloud. The transition to IPv6 is tricky. If your node only speaks IPv6, it cannot talk to IPv4-only nodes (the majority, at this time). So we need a long period during which nodes that speak both IPv4 and IPv6. Initial condition: every node on the internet has an IPv4 address (nodes behind NAT are not on the internet). Next step: More and more nodes add an IPv6 address (while retaining their IPv4 address). Of course only nodes connected to the IPv6 cloud can do this. Nodes speak IPv6 when spoken to in IPv6. AAAA records are added to DNS so that IPv6 address can be found. Next step: programs query for AAAA records as well as A records and use the IPv6 in preference to the IPv4 address. I don't remember but I think that the resolver may already provide such a capability. This step could be merged into the previous one. Next step: nodes start to turn off their IPv4 address (and their DNS A records). New nodes are never given an IPv4 address (unless a compelling case is made). This can only be done after everyone that matters is connected to the IPv6 cloud. Now IPv4 is unnecessary and can be turned off. There may well be stranded islands of IPv4 at this time. If they are LANs of SCADA, the world might be a safer place :-) Just for fun: $ host -t aaaa google.ca google.ca has no AAAA record $ host -t aaaa microsoft.com microsoft.com has no AAAA record $ host -t aaaa arin.net arin.net has IPv6 address 2001:500:4:13::80 arin.net has IPv6 address 2001:500:4:13::81 $ host -t aaaa cbc.ca cbc.ca has no AAAA record $ host -t aaaa wikipedia.org wikipedia.org has no AAAA record $ host -t aaaa yahoo.com yahoo.com has no AAAA record $ host -t aaaa facebook.com facebook.com has no AAAA record $ host -t aaaa hp.com hp.com has no AAAA record $ host -t aaaa kernel.org kernel.org has no AAAA record $ host -t aaaa rogers.com rogers.com has no AAAA record $ host -t aaaa ss.org ss.org has no AAAA record $ host -t aaaa slashdot.org slashdot.org has no AAAA record $ host -t aaaa ripe.net ripe.net has IPv6 address 2001:610:240:22::c100:68b $ host -t aaaa www.cra-arc.gc.ca www.cra-arc.gc.ca has no AAAA record $ host -t aaaa ietf.org ietf.org has IPv6 address 2001:1890:1112:1::20 $ host -t aaaa www.defense.gov www.defense.gov is an alias for www.defense.gov.edgesuite.net. www.defense.gov.edgesuite.net is an alias for a445.b.akamai.net. $ host -t aaaa a445.b.akamai.net. a445.b.akamai.net has no AAAA record $ host -t aaaa icann.org icann.org has IPv6 address 2620:0:2d0:200::7 Looks like we're not far along this transition. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 04:27:36 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 00:27:36 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 12 Not Booting In-Reply-To: <20100908211614.2758e0e8.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100908211614.2758e0e8.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20100909042736.GA4652@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 09:16:14PM -0400, Howard Gibson wrote: > I have just installed Fedora Core 12 on my desktop, and it is not > booting. I am using the ext4 filesystem on my root partition. I > have an old IDE drive as a backup, and a 500GB SATA drive as my > primary. I am using the SATA drive, partition /dev/sdb1 for > booting. I see the BIOS messages, then I get a gray, blinking > cursor. > > I have tried the rescue DVD, and I can activate a command line with > `chroot /mnt/sysimage`. I can see stuff installed on my drives. > > Does this look familiar to anyone? I'm also booting from /dev/sdb1 (Slackware LILO). Normally, okey. But, if I boot with USB key stick in or removeable harddisk in, I get a blank screen, also. That's because what was 2nd disk is now 3rd or 4th disk. I seem to remember Fedora's GRUB being more sensitive to boot order than Slackware's LILO. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 04:29:50 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 00:29:50 -0400 Subject: forwarding *some* web traffic to a virtual machine In-Reply-To: References: <4C84DF23.5050802@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:14 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Next step: programs query for AAAA records as well as A records and > use the IPv6 in preference to the IPv4 address. ?I don't remember but > I think that the resolver may already provide such a capability. ?This > step could be merged into the previous one. My bit of "network debugging" of the week roughly involved this... No AAAA records involved, but IPv6 policy... Someone was installing an internal app on their MacOS system, and were having database authentication issues. What apparently happened was that they were accessing the database on "localhost," which I'd expect to be 127.0.0.1. DB 'firewall rules' (for those that care about the details, the Postgres "pg_hba.conf" file controls Host Based Authentication policies) have traditionally been set up based on IPv4. There wasn't a rule for the IPv6 "localhost," so behaviour reverted to a "deny access" default. Add an IPv6 rule, and all's happy. What was rather interesting was that the system (e.g. - instance of MacOS) was clearly preferring to try to use IPv6 *first.* That's a nice policy to have around; it certainly makes it easy to validate what things fall over in an IPv6-leaning world. The developer commented that they thought they could shut off IPv6. I'd personally rather that we get opportunity to see when there *are* clashes. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 04:34:49 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 00:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Core 12 Not Booting In-Reply-To: <20100908211614.2758e0e8.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100908211614.2758e0e8.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: | From: Howard Gibson | I have just installed Fedora Core 12 on my desktop, and it is not | booting. I am using the ext4 filesystem on my root partition. If I remember correctly, Fedora 12's GRUB does not understand ext4. You probably need an ext3 /boot partition for GRUB and the kernel etc. Of course you may have done that. Then, as others have suggested, the ordering of drives by the BIOS and GRUB might be different and screwing things up. Something I find handy: a bootable GRUB disk (floppy, CDROM, DVDROM, or USB (I presume)). That lets me boot a system that has a confused or corrupted GRUB. | I | have an old IDE drive as a backup, and a 500GB SATA drive as my | primary. I am using the SATA drive, partition /dev/sdb1 for booting. | I see the BIOS messages, then I get a gray, blinking cursor. | | I have tried the rescue DVD, and I can activate a command line with | `chroot /mnt/sysimage`. I can see stuff installed on my drives. | | Does this look familiar to anyone? One machine that I got confused had two hard drives and the BIOS was willing to boot from either. I left Vista on the original disk and installed Fedora on the other. I'd select between them by telling the BIOS which to boot. I did this because Vista seemed to throw a fit if the MBR were altered. I didn't want to touch its disk. The Fedora installation thought that its disk was the second (sdb) but GRUB thought it was the first (hd0 in those days). So the Fedora installation set GRUB up in a way that didn't work. I booted from my GRUB CDROM, loaded Fedora, and edited /boot/grub/grub.conf (or maybe ran grub-install with some arguments). >From then on, all worked. The two GRUB commands to remember are root: to set the partition of interest configfile: to use a GRUB configuration file on the partition of interest Using configfile is a lot easier than typing in all that bumpf. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 04:35:44 2010 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 00:35:44 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 12 Not Booting In-Reply-To: References: <20100908211614.2758e0e8.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20100909003544.a33034f0.hgibson@eol.ca> On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 00:34:49 -0400 (EDT) "D. Hugh Redelmeier" wrote: > | From: Howard Gibson > > | I have just installed Fedora Core 12 on my desktop, and it is not > | booting. I am using the ext4 filesystem on my root partition. > > If I remember correctly, Fedora 12's GRUB does not understand ext4. > You probably need an ext3 /boot partition for GRUB and the kernel etc. Hugh, I used ext4 for my root partition. Does this mean that everything would have worked if I had used ext3? -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 04:46:11 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 00:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: forwarding *some* web traffic to a virtual machine In-Reply-To: References: <4C84DF23.5050802@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: Christopher Browne | My bit of "network debugging" of the week roughly involved this... | No AAAA records involved, but IPv6 policy... | | Someone was installing an internal app on their MacOS system, and were | having database authentication issues. | | What apparently happened was that they were accessing the database on | "localhost," which I'd expect to be 127.0.0.1. DB 'firewall rules' | (for those that care about the details, the Postgres "pg_hba.conf" | file controls Host Based Authentication policies) have traditionally | been set up based on IPv4. | | There wasn't a rule for the IPv6 "localhost," so behaviour reverted to | a "deny access" default. Add an IPv6 rule, and all's happy. Look in /etc/hosts. On my Fedora 13 desktop, /etc/hosts contains these lines: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost ::1 redsquare.mimosa.com redsquare localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6 The redsquare parts of this seems pretty dubious since redsquare.mimosa.com could have had a routable IPv6 address (it does have a routable IPv4 address). This, BTW, is a good time to fix the default Postgress setup to survive IPv6. And the documentation. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 04:56:15 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 00:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Core 12 Not Booting In-Reply-To: <20100909003544.a33034f0.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100908211614.2758e0e8.hgibson@eol.ca> <20100909003544.a33034f0.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: | From: Howard Gibson | I used ext4 for my root partition. | | Does this mean that everything would have worked if I had used ext3? No. I was wrong. By Fedora 12, grub supported ext4. 2.1. Ext4 for boot partitions Although ext4 was the default file system in Fedora 11, the version of the GRUB bootloader included with Fedora 11 could not read ext4 partitions. Fedora 11 therefore required a separate ext3 boot partition. The version of GRUB included in Fedora 12 now supports ext4, so anaconda now allows you to place /boot on an ext4 partition. Sorry. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 14:10:08 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 10:10:08 -0400 Subject: hey all Message-ID: Hi All, Is there a utility in linux to change all your open office ODT formats to Word? I would like to do a bulk conversion of multiple files. I have so many so doing them one at a time would take forever. -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is certainly not routeable though in general, since something does have to convert between IPv6 and IPv4. So yeah IPv6 devices required. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 15:09:16 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:09:16 -0400 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <2f9a19d2a78553102a174610730f3434-Efp6R71wwccuCXBAd9n0Eg@public.gmane.org> References: <4C87B8E9.8060102@rogers.com> <2f9a19d2a78553102a174610730f3434@veriksrv.vnet> Message-ID: <20100909150916.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 12:41:06AM +0000, Anton Verevkin wrote: > I was dreaming of IPv6 for quite a while, specifically to get rid of NAT > and all the problems that it brings. But what I learned about it is that > it's not the ISPs that stop us from using it now, but the applications that > are not ready yet. You are speaking about web-servers and DNS, and these > are probably the only applications that do support IPv6 now. But let's > have a look at what else we use: > - Mail servers. Some do support IPv6, most do not. And you can not really > send an email from IPv4 to IPv6 server. Exchange defaults to IPv6 (which causes some issues with broken DNS servers out there, ironicly enough those made by Microsoft in Win2k.) > - IP telephony. Asterisk that I am running is still somewhere in alpha- or > beta- for IPv6 support. I do not want to put that on my should-be-stable > system. > - Printing. Is your network printer capable of running IPv6? Even if it is > attached to a Linux box and you are printing from Windows. I am not sure. Just use a print server to spool, and you can run IPv4 from the print server to the printer. Minor issue, but a good point. > - Network monitoring tools. Are you using something like Nagios to know > what's going on on your servers? It does not support IPv6. No idea. > - Games. Try to connect WoW to IPv6-only network. Shall it work there? Good question. > These are only the applications that I imagined while writing this. You can > add more. And as for ISPs, most of their core equipment already supports > IPv6, it is only the matter of configuring it. So they are ready, but > everyone > else is not. Firefox works with IPv6. ssh works. Lots of other things work too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 15:20:16 2010 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:20:16 -0400 Subject: hey all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: this is not very helpful but it used to be the case that you could invoke openoffice with a command-line switch that would allow you to do a conversation directly The tool unoconv may help with this (didn't work for my needs, which are different): http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/unoconv/ At one point I didn eed to do this automatically for all my documents, and I set up some script or other to do it -- but that was ages ago before I realized how lousy openoffice is & how much better emacs works; so in the interim I've lost that... m On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi All, > > Is there a utility in linux to change all your open office ODT formats to > Word? > > I would like to do a bulk conversion of multiple files. I have so many so > doing them one at a time would take forever. > > -- > > > > Dave Germiquet > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 15:53:34 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:53:34 -0400 Subject: forwarding *some* web traffic to a virtual machine In-Reply-To: References: <4C84DF23.5050802@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C8902FE.4090509@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | Problem with using IPv6 is he will still not be reachable from IPv4. > | Those two protocols have different headers - for efficiency reasons - > | and therefore not compatible. That imply he will need a kind a > | tunnel, but one way or the other that tunnel will expose the IPv6 as 2 > | IPv4 IPs. So the initial problem will still remain only far down the > | stream. I could be wrong though > > Makes sense to me. You'd need a way to address all IPv6 endpoints > with an IPv4 address. This cannot be done because there are only > 232 IPv4 addresses and 2128 IPv6 addresses. > > As I mentioned earlier, use the tunnel broker on all the computers that need access, as well as on the server. That way, everyone has IPv6 available. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 15:54:49 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:54:49 -0400 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <20100909150916.GB2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4C87B8E9.8060102@rogers.com> <2f9a19d2a78553102a174610730f3434@veriksrv.vnet> <20100909150916.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: > >> - Network monitoring tools. Are you using something like Nagios to know >> what's going on on your servers? It does not support IPv6. > > No idea. > This one is interesting. From how I know Nagios, its just mysql, apache and perl. I would never have guessed in 100 years Nagios would have issues with IPv6. Do you mind sharing how you found it was having issues with IPv6. That would be a very handy information to keep in mind going forward. >> - Games. Try to connect WoW to IPv6-only network. Shall it work there? > > Good question. > Some none open source stuff will never work. For example games that are no longer bringing revenue or print drivers for printers that are no longer selling. If we have to wait for those to be ready, we may as well explicitly say migration is never going to happen. Either they are set up again using open source code or they will need to be disposed. >> These are only the applications that I imagined while writing this. You can >> add more. And as for ISPs, most of their core equipment already supports >> IPv6, it is only the matter of configuring it. So they are ready, but >> everyone >> else is not. > > Firefox works with IPv6. ?ssh works. ?Lots of other things work too. > > -- Very true. A case of glass being either half full or half empty > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 15:55:29 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:55:29 -0400 Subject: forwarding *some* web traffic to a virtual machine In-Reply-To: References: <4C84DF23.5050802@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C890371.4040200@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > What was rather interesting was that the system (e.g. - instance of > MacOS) was clearly preferring to try to use IPv6 *first.* > I believe that's also the default for Linux & Windows. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 16:36:29 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:36:29 -0400 Subject: hey all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C890D0D.2080605@rogers.com> Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi All, > > Is there a utility in linux to change all your open office ODT formats > to Word? > > I would like to do a bulk conversion of multiple files. I have so many > so doing them one at a time would take forever. > OpenOffice has a wizard to convert to ODF formats, but not the other way. Why would you want to? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 16:49:43 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:49:43 -0400 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <20100909150916.GB2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4C87B8E9.8060102@rogers.com> <2f9a19d2a78553102a174610730f3434@veriksrv.vnet> <20100909150916.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4C891027.7030402@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> - Network monitoring tools. Are you using something like Nagios to know >> > what's going on on your servers? It does not support IPv6. >> > No idea. > > Wireshark works well with IPv6. It even recognizes 6in4 tunnel packets as IPv6. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 16:50:02 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:50:02 -0400 Subject: forwarding *some* web traffic to a virtual machine In-Reply-To: References: <4C84DF23.5050802@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:46 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > This, BTW, is a good time to fix the default Postgress setup to > survive IPv6. ?And the documentation. The default provided at initialize-the-DB-time is fairly reasonable: # CAUTION: Configuring the system for local "trust" authentication allows # any local user to connect as any PostgreSQL user, including the database # superuser. If you do not trust all your local users, use another # authentication method. # TYPE DATABASE USER CIDR-ADDRESS METHOD # "local" is for Unix domain socket connections only local all all trust # IPv4 local connections: host all all 127.0.0.1/32 trust # IPv6 local connections: host all all ::1/128 trust When I was talking of "default," I was thinking in the secondary meaning of "the 'default' config that the devs use to somewhat lock things down." *THAT* didn't consider IPv6, but isn't the fault of PG folk :-). -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 17:00:50 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:00:50 -0400 Subject: forwarding *some* web traffic to a virtual machine In-Reply-To: References: <4C84DF23.5050802@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > When I was talking of "default," I was thinking in the secondary > meaning of "the 'default' config that the devs use to somewhat lock > things down." ?*THAT* didn't consider IPv6, but isn't the fault of PG > folk :-). And this is actually the sort of thing that's liable to bite people a lot as IPv6 lurks its way into Teh Interwebs. The defaults provided by "system vendors" (which I'd interpret here to include folks that don't necessarily sell things, such as the PostgreSQL development group, (Free|Net|Open)BSD projects, and the Debian project) may be pretty proper, and may nicely support IPv6. Unfortunately, there are recipes out there for populating /etc/hosts, pg_hba.conf, and any number of other such network-related config files that *don't* contemplate IPv6. My /etc/hosts on Debian includes some IPv6 recipes: # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts ::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback fe00::0 ip6-localnet ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix ff02::1 ip6-allnodes ff02::2 ip6-allrouters One of the basic security principles is to not run or configure anything that does not expressly need to be run/configured. Under that principle, it's not an outrageous notion to drop out "IPv6 cruft", if you don't specifically *know* you need to run it. The conflict/contradiction that naturally results is something I'll leave to the gentle readers to think about... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 20:36:36 2010 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 16:36:36 -0400 Subject: trouble with VESA xserver (was Re: Trouble installing Debian on Atom D410) In-Reply-To: <20100908171951.GY2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <1652FE53-F0D8-4585-BC07-00630D57646F@sarg.ryerson.ca> <55D43275-063A-4014-A520-173AF18D3B45@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20100908171951.GY2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <37F8BCA5-252D-4081-B14D-521007F16642@sarg.ryerson.ca> On 2010-Sep-8, at 13:19 , Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well the graphical install probably uses a very minimal video mode > (likely 640x480x16 vga). > > Other than by checking /var/log/Xorg.0.log there is not much to do to > figure out why the display doesn't like the output being generated. > > Which video chip? Intel GMA 3150 > Which X driver? vesa > Which video mode? If I use 1024x768, or 1600x1200 it works, but if I try 1920x1200 (the native resolution) it fails. The 1920x1200 that Xorg generates has too high a dot clock (limited to 150MHz) though I don't know if that's the problem. So I tried a 1920x1200 Modeline that should work, but no go. So I tried something like 1600x1050 and it removes it because it claims it can't find an appropriate modeline. So I define a Modeline that should work, and again it deletes the mode, claiming it can't find a match. It seems like it's ignoring any Modeline that I add to the xorg_conf file. If nobody has any immediate ideas, I'll follow up with the xorg_conf and Xorg.log files when I can get to them. Thanks ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 20:44:12 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:44:12 -0400 Subject: trouble with VESA xserver (was Re: Trouble installing Debian on Atom D410) In-Reply-To: <37F8BCA5-252D-4081-B14D-521007F16642-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w@public.gmane.org> References: <1652FE53-F0D8-4585-BC07-00630D57646F@sarg.ryerson.ca> <55D43275-063A-4014-A520-173AF18D3B45@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20100908171951.GY2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <37F8BCA5-252D-4081-B14D-521007F16642@sarg.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20100909204412.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 04:36:36PM -0400, Dave Mason wrote: > Intel GMA 3150 > >> Which X driver? > > vesa Stupid question: Why? > If I use 1024x768, or 1600x1200 it works, but if I try 1920x1200 (the > native resolution) it fails. The 1920x1200 that Xorg generates has too > high a dot clock (limited to 150MHz) though I don't know if that's the > problem. So I tried a 1920x1200 Modeline that should work, but no go. > So I tried something like 1600x1050 and it removes it because it claims > it can't find an appropriate modeline. So I define a Modeline that > should work, and again it deletes the mode, claiming it can't find a > match. Vesa doesn't so some modes I believe. Using the intel driver would be much better. > It seems like it's ignoring any Modeline that I add to the xorg_conf > file. > > If nobody has any immediate ideas, I'll follow up with the xorg_conf and > Xorg.log files when I can get to them. The log is generally very helpful. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 00:43:05 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 20:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: trouble with VESA xserver (was Re: Trouble installing Debian on Atom D410) In-Reply-To: <20100909204412.GC2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <1652FE53-F0D8-4585-BC07-00630D57646F@sarg.ryerson.ca> <55D43275-063A-4014-A520-173AF18D3B45@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20100908171951.GY2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <37F8BCA5-252D-4081-B14D-521007F16642@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20100909204412.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | > If I use 1024x768, or 1600x1200 it works, but if I try 1920x1200 (the | > native resolution) it fails. The 1920x1200 that Xorg generates has too | > high a dot clock (limited to 150MHz) though I don't know if that's the | > problem. So I tried a 1920x1200 Modeline that should work, but no go. | > So I tried something like 1600x1050 and it removes it because it claims | > it can't find an appropriate modeline. So I define a Modeline that | > should work, and again it deletes the mode, claiming it can't find a | > match. | | Vesa doesn't so some modes I believe. Using the intel driver would be | much better. As I understand it, the VESA driver knows nothing about direct mode setting. It only knows how to ask the BIOS to set modes supported by the BIOS. BIOS modes are not important to MS Windows. So computer manufacturers don't put a lot of effort in making a wide variety of useful modes. Astonishing example: some of my notebooks don't have their own display's native mode in the BIOS. The Intel drivers (except for the GMA 500) are quite good. A year ago they went through some (memory management?) changes and were destablized for a while. I think that they are OK now. Actually, moving modesetting into the kernel has created a lot of transitional problems for all the drivers. My guess is that it is due to undocumented hardware quirks that have to be discovered the hard way. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 05:04:35 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Broadcom has released source for their wireless driver Message-ID: (found via Slashdot and OSNews We've had reverse engineered drivers already but they have not been able to do the base-station side of things (STA??). I hope that this means OpenWRT can work on more wireless routers without using the binary module. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 05:38:34 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:38:34 -0400 Subject: Canadian OTA TV channels... where is CTV? In-Reply-To: <20100907025027.GA4243-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100907025027.GA4243@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20100910053834.GA28123@waltdnes.org> On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 10:50:27PM -0400, William Park wrote > Does CTV broadcast over the air? > I'm getting CBC, CHCH, Global, OMNI 1 & 2, and ION. But, I can't find > CTV. Try entering 40.1 into your remote and it will then display 9.1. From then on, you should be able to enter 9 and get CTV. PSIP is one baaaad idea. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 14:28:44 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:28:44 -0400 Subject: trouble with VESA xserver (was Re: Trouble installing Debian on Atom D410) In-Reply-To: References: <1652FE53-F0D8-4585-BC07-00630D57646F@sarg.ryerson.ca> <55D43275-063A-4014-A520-173AF18D3B45@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20100908171951.GY2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <37F8BCA5-252D-4081-B14D-521007F16642@sarg.ryerson.ca> <20100909204412.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100910142844.GD2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 08:43:05PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > As I understand it, the VESA driver knows nothing about direct mode > setting. It only knows how to ask the BIOS to set modes supported by > the BIOS. VESA was important to DOS. That hasn't been important for almost 15 years. So yes VESA likely suffors from neglegt on most video cards these days. > BIOS modes are not important to MS Windows. So computer manufacturers > don't put a lot of effort in making a wide variety of useful modes. > Astonishing example: some of my notebooks don't have their own > display's native mode in the BIOS. I can believe that. Somewhat sad, but again, they test that it works well with windows, and everything else goes untested. > The Intel drivers (except for the GMA 500) are quite good. A year ago > they went through some (memory management?) changes and were > destablized for a while. I think that they are OK now. In general they are quite good. > Actually, moving modesetting into the kernel has created a lot of > transitional problems for all the drivers. My guess is that it is due > to undocumented hardware quirks that have to be discovered the hard > way. Well it involves moving work from drivers in X to the kernel and getting the two to agree with each other. A bit tricky I am sure. It should get stable eventually and the result will be great (no more issues moving between text console and X). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 16:11:14 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:11:14 -0400 Subject: Question about detecting LD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C8A58A2.1020503@ve3syb.ca> Christopher Browne wrote: > We're looking to detect if a particular function is available, and the > easiest way of testing for this seems to be to have autoconf/configure > generate a C program consisting of a call to that function > (PQisthreadsafe()). The autoconf/configure tools would be the way to deal with detecting the proper linker and options for the various systems you may be targetting. If you haven't already done so, take a look at libtool. A quick check of docs about it indicate it may have the additional tests you require. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 16:42:52 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:42:52 -0700 Subject: Broadcom has released source for their wireless driver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I caught this on slash. I had a laptop that once only worked with the broadcom-developed driver, which tended to do funky things and drop out or crash at times. Then the "free" driver started to work for my laptop, it did a few other funky things, but was generally more reliable than the one from Broadcomm. Hopefully with the sources from Broadcomm, the open-source "bcm" drivers can be improved and the end result will be more stable (and built-in). They're probably one of the most prevalent vendors of "cheap" wifi chipsets, so plenty of mini's, HP's, Dells, and others use them (heck the laptop I have now uses a BCM4322)... so released a 'nix driver, and now open-sourcing the driver is actually a really big step and a great thing for desktop linux. Thanks broadcomm! On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:04 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > (found via Slashdot and OSNews > > > We've had reverse engineered drivers already but they have not been > able to do the base-station side of things (STA??). ?I hope that this > means OpenWRT can work on more wireless routers without using the > binary module. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA ?It can takes months to gain a customer, but only seconds to lose one" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 17:30:48 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Broadcom has released source for their wireless driver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Tyler Aviss | | I had a laptop that once only worked with the | broadcom-developed driver, which tended to do funky things and drop | out or crash at times. The only broadcom-developed driver that I know of for x86 was the NDIS driver (i.e. for MS Windows). There was an amazing kludge that would allow the kernel to use NDIS drivers (NDIS Wrapper). Is that what you used? NDIS Wrapper had licensing issues, through no fault (or greed) of the developer. I think that it could only be installed by the end-use, not the distro. There are certain mismatches between the Windows driver model and the Linux driver model that made NDIS Wrapper theoretically iffy. One: Windows allows drivers 64k of stack space; Linux: 4K (or 8k, I don't quite remember). | Then the "free" driver started to work for my laptop, it did a few | other funky things, but was generally more reliable than the one from | Broadcomm. There have been a couple of open source Broadcom drivers, if I remember. I think that B43, the one currently in use, has been fine for "clients". There are three sorts of 802.11 I think: STA: Station (client) AP: Access Point (server) Ad Hoc: peer-to-peer (STA to STA) The best explanation I just found is: If this is the broadcom source code, it is sad to see that it is STA-only: I don't know if git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/gregkh/staging-next-2.6.git is better (or even different). Here's the README: | On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:04 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > We've had reverse engineered drivers already but they have not been | > able to do the base-station side of things (STA??). ?I hope that this | > means OpenWRT can work on more wireless routers without using the | > binary module. I should have said AP, not STA. From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 17:35:17 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:35:17 -0700 Subject: Broadcom has released source for their wireless driver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:30 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Tyler Aviss > | > | ?I had a laptop that once only worked with the > | broadcom-developed driver, which tended to do funky things and drop > | out or crash at times. > > The only broadcom-developed driver that I know of for x86 was the NDIS > driver (i.e. for MS Windows). ?There was an amazing kludge that would > allow the kernel to use NDIS drivers (NDIS Wrapper). ?Is that what you > used? > I've used ndiswrapper before, but the one I was thinking of was the STA driver (which you link below). Broadcom released that one quite awhile ago, and it worked sometimes, but it was one of those "cross your fingers and toes" moments if you ever did and kernel/OS upgrades. > NDIS Wrapper had licensing issues, through no fault (or greed) of the > developer. ?I think that it could only be installed by the end-use, > not the distro. > > There are certain mismatches between the Windows driver model and the > Linux driver model that made NDIS Wrapper theoretically iffy. ?One: > Windows allows drivers 64k of stack space; Linux: 4K (or 8k, I don't > quite remember). > > | Then the "free" driver started to work for my laptop, it did a few > | other funky things, but was generally more reliable than the one from > | Broadcomm. > > There have been a couple of open source Broadcom drivers, if I > remember. ?I think that B43, the one currently in use, has been fine > for "clients". > > There are three sorts of 802.11 I think: > ?STA: Station (client) > ?AP: Access Point (server) > ?Ad Hoc: peer-to-peer (STA to STA) > > The best explanation I just found is: > ? > > If this is the broadcom source code, it is sad to see that it is > STA-only: > ? > > I don't know if > ?git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/gregkh/staging-next-2.6.git > is better (or even different). > > Here's the README: > > > | On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:04 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > | > We've had reverse engineered drivers already but they have not been > | > able to do the base-station side of things (STA??). ?I hope that this > | > means OpenWRT can work on more wireless routers without using the > | > binary module. > > I should have said AP, not STA. > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA ?It can takes months to gain a customer, but only seconds to lose one" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 18:22:04 2010 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:22:04 -0400 Subject: Broadcom has released source for their wireless driver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C8A774C.1020507@gmail.com> On 10-09-10 13:30 , D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > The only broadcom-developed driver that I know of for x86 was the NDIS > driver (i.e. for MS Windows). There was an amazing kludge that would > allow the kernel to use NDIS drivers (NDIS Wrapper). Kludge it may be, but it worked as well as it could. I had a little machine that had to use it, and I had uptimes as long as Toronto Hydro and my UPS allowed ... ;-) Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 11 02:19:21 2010 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:19:21 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 12 Not Booting In-Reply-To: <4C883C80.40008-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100908211614.2758e0e8.hgibson@eol.ca> <4C883C80.40008@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20100910221921.48f2b819.hgibson@eol.ca> On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 21:46:40 -0400 "Lance F. Squire" wrote: > > The only solutions I found where: > > 1. Manually re-edit the drive info files so they where correct. > > 2. Install the OS on the SATA while the IDE was disconnected, then > reconnect IDE after the OS is known working and assign the drive. > > I'm now working with option 3. Get a bigger SATA and don't worry about > the IDE anymore. :P > > Lance F. Squire Lance, Installed and running! Thank you. I disconnected the IDE drive. I specified ext4 as my root filesystem. It still won't boot with the IDE drive connected. This is more of an inconvenience than a disaster. I want a second drive as a backup device. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 11 19:37:20 2010 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 15:37:20 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 12 Not Booting In-Reply-To: References: <20100908211614.2758e0e8.hgibson@eol.ca> <20100909003544.a33034f0.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20100911153720.249048d4.hgibson@eol.ca> On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 00:56:15 -0400 (EDT) "D. Hugh Redelmeier" wrote: > | From: Howard Gibson > > | I used ext4 for my root partition. > | > | Does this mean that everything would have worked if I had used ext3? > > No. I was wrong. By Fedora 12, grub supported ext4. > > > > 2.1. Ext4 for boot partitions > > Although ext4 was the default file system in Fedora 11, the > version of the GRUB bootloader included with Fedora 11 could not > read ext4 partitions. Fedora 11 therefore required a separate ext3 > boot partition. The version of GRUB included in Fedora 12 now > supports ext4, so anaconda now allows you to place /boot on an > ext4 partition. > > Sorry. Hugh, No problem. I figured it out. My BIOS was ignoring my SATA drive. I suspect that I had used the IDE as my boot device on my original Fedora Core_10 installation. There was a setting in BIOS that toggled which was my primary drive for booting, and I have set it properly. These problems always seem to be something dumb. :( -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 12 01:46:02 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 21:46:02 -0400 Subject: Software Freedom Day Message-ID: I saw a reminder on the Mississauga Ubuntu user group list about Software Freedom Day - softwarefreedomday.org - September 18th. Will there be any Toronto Software Freedom Day events? Colin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 12 16:50:10 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 12:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Giles Orr | Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:24:38 -0400 | I'm fascinated by the Plug Computers. Here's a probably incomplete list: | Seagate FreeAgent Dockstar - USB drive dock (Seagate drives only?) + | Pogoplug functionality, probably the least "hackable" I hadn't noticed the DockStar in the original post. It turns that those are (were?) really cheap. I infer that they are "blowing them out" because they were a failure as a product. I bought a couple yesterday at Future Shop for $30 each. I could not resist. Mine were the last two at the Empress Walk store (Yonge near North York City Hall). Originally they were near the $100 mark; online FS shows this as $90: I have not yet hacked them at all. Resources: - 1.2GHz ARM processor (just like the other plug computers) - 128MB RAM - 256MB flash. 32MB is uboot, a version that will only boot from the rest of the same flash, a barrier to hacking. - 3 normal USB host sockets - 1 male Mini USB connector meant to dock a Seagate 2.5" external hard disk. I think that the connector is one of the standard ones so a USB extension cable could make it work for a normal USB device. - 1 ethernet connector. I assume that it is 100mb/s but it might be 1G. Came with an ethernet cable too. - external "wall wart" power supply. Summary: much more resources than a normal store-bought router, except in the ethernet and blinky light departments. Much of what I know comes from There are plenty of other things that google finds but I haven't looked at them. Here's an older RedFlag Deals page: The age of this suggests that finding DockStars in Future Shop stores will be hit-or-miss. You should be able use the web site to find which stores have stock. Warning: if you do buy one of these for hacking, DON'T connect it to the internet before hacking. It "phones home" and does a firmware update that you probably don't want. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 12 17:42:15 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 13:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: cheap way of trying Bell ADSL service (today only) Message-ID: If you don't already subscribe to Bell ADSL, you can get four months of service for $10! This includes Fibre if your area has the infrastructure. Normally $30 (still a good deal), but $10 for today. No deadline for activating, as far as I know. You must cancel 30 days before expiry or they will roll you into a monthly charge at normal rates (you can cancel that with 30 days notice). I have one from a sale a month ago but haven't activated it. I don't really like Bell as an ISP, but this is cheap and would be a good way for a Rogers user to find out if you can get ADSL Fibre service. Then (thanks to the astonishing recent CRTC ruling) switch to a better ISP with Fibre (to the node, I think). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 12 21:38:20 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:38:20 -0400 Subject: Wine versions and Debian Message-ID: The latest stable version of Wine is 1.2, according to this: http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.2 I am running Debian Testing. When I run 'apt-get install wine' it says I have the latest version, however 'wine --version' says wine-1.1.25 I have this in my sources.list: #Wine deb http://www.lamaresh.net/apt sid main What am I doing wrong here? Thanks! -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 12 22:44:14 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:44:14 -0700 Subject: Wine versions and Debian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe they haven't pushed up a deb for 1.2, why not download the deb in your browser and check? On 2010-09-12 2:38 PM, "Thomas Milne" wrote: The latest stable version of Wine is 1.2, according to this: http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.2 I am running Debian Testing. When I run 'apt-get install wine' it says I have the latest version, however 'wine --version' says wine-1.1.25 I have this in my sources.list: #Wine deb http://www.lamaresh.net/apt sid main What am I doing wrong here? Thanks! -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 12 22:12:49 2010 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 18:12:49 -0400 Subject: Help with PHP, MySQL and Apache in Ubuntu 10.04 Message-ID: <1284329569.7027.30.camel@aragorn> Hello I recently purchased (donationware) a web app (ThemeFrame) written in PHP that makes use of MySQL. It is supposed to run locally, on a local web server (localhost is OK, apparently). To make this work, it appeared that I needed to install PHP, mySQL, and Apache to some degree beyond their default packages. I wrote a little script that gave me phpinfo() and it tells me what I've installed, from PHP's point of view: I am running Debian on a 64-bit processor (SMP) with 2GB RAM Apache 2.2.14 PHP 5.3.2 I am viewing this on Firefox 3.6.9 The problem is that, in the ThemeFrame installation instead of a kickass AJAX app, I get a blank screen. The online help at the BytesForAll website is a tad slow (it appears developers double as the tech support). I don't think it's the source code. I think the problem is in my configuration of apache/php/mysql, which was pretty much done "out of the box". Here is the only error reported by the apache error log: [Sun Sep 12 17:40:43 2010] [error] [client ::1] PHP Fatal error: Class 'SQLiteDatabase' not found in /var/www/themeframe/functions.php on line 20 By the code, it seems like it is attempting to make a database, then creating a table for data. If it fails, it dies. By my reckoning, it failed and it died, but not on that line. Here is the source code around that area: // Check if DB "thfrdb" exists, else create it or display error if ($db = new SQLiteDatabase(dirname(__FILE__) . '/sqlite/thfrdb')) { // if table "default" does not exist, create it if (sqlite_table_exists($db, 'newdefault') === FALSE) { // Create table $db->queryExec('CREATE TABLE newdefault (id int, option_name TEXT, option_value TEXT, PRIMARY KEY (id))'); } } else { die($err); } It fails on the first line, just after the comment. Commenting out the "die" statement still results in the same error. So, it fails on object creation, as the error suggests. Also, the sqlite directory is world-writeable. Any suggestions? Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 12 23:31:45 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 19:31:45 -0400 Subject: Wine versions and Debian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah, good idea. Okay, it shows most recent version for any of them is 1.1.42. So maybe they just haven't release binaries yet. I got confused by this statement: "If the latest stable release of Wine (currently Wine 1.2) works for you, then you may not want to use these beta packages." Seems to say they would already have _beyond_ 1.2 in binary packages. I wonder will I ever be able to install from the Wine repo, since they use only Lenny, Squeeze, and Sid names, not Testing like I do? Thanks! On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Maybe they haven't pushed up a deb for 1.2, why not download the deb in your > browser and check? > > On 2010-09-12 2:38 PM, "Thomas Milne" > wrote: > > The latest stable version of Wine is 1.2, according to this: > > http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.2 > > I am running Debian Testing. > > When I run 'apt-get install wine' it says I have the latest version, > however 'wine --version' says wine-1.1.25 > > I have this in my sources.list: > > #Wine > > deb http://www.lamaresh.net/apt sid main > > What am I doing wrong here? > > Thanks! > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 12 23:54:40 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 19:54:40 -0400 Subject: Help with PHP, MySQL and Apache in Ubuntu 10.04 In-Reply-To: <1284329569.7027.30.camel@aragorn> References: <1284329569.7027.30.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: Maybe you need the php SQLite packages? apt-get install php-mdb2-driver-sqlite php5-sqlite On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Paul King wrote: > Hello > > I recently purchased (donationware) a web app (ThemeFrame) written in > PHP that makes use of MySQL. It is supposed to run locally, on a local > web server (localhost is OK, apparently). > > To make this work, it appeared that I needed to install PHP, mySQL, and > Apache to some degree beyond their default packages. > > I wrote a little script that gave me phpinfo() and it tells me what I've > installed, from PHP's point of view: > > I am running Debian on a 64-bit processor (SMP) with 2GB RAM > Apache 2.2.14 > PHP 5.3.2 > I am viewing this on Firefox 3.6.9 > > The problem is that, in the ThemeFrame installation instead of a kickass > AJAX app, I get a blank screen. The online help at the BytesForAll > website is a tad slow (it appears developers double as the tech > support). I don't think it's the source code. I think the problem is in > my configuration of apache/php/mysql, which was pretty much done "out of > the box". > > Here is the only error reported by the apache error log: > ? ? ? ?[Sun Sep 12 17:40:43 2010] [error] [client ::1] PHP Fatal error: > ? ? ? ?Class 'SQLiteDatabase' not found > ? ? ? ?in /var/www/themeframe/functions.php on line 20 > > By the code, it seems like it is attempting to make a database, then > creating a table for data. If it fails, it dies. By my reckoning, it > failed and it died, but not on that line. Here is the source code around > that area: > > > ? ? ? ?// Check if DB "thfrdb" exists, else create it or display error > ? ? ? ?if ($db = new SQLiteDatabase(dirname(__FILE__) . > ? ? ? ?'/sqlite/thfrdb')) { > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?// if table "default" does not exist, create it > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?if (sqlite_table_exists($db, 'newdefault') === FALSE) { > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?// Create table > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?$db->queryExec('CREATE TABLE newdefault (id int, > ? ? ? ?option_name TEXT, option_value TEXT, PRIMARY KEY (id))'); > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?} > ? ? ? ?} else { > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?die($err); > ? ? ? ?} > > It fails on the first line, just after the comment. Commenting out the > "die" statement still results in the same error. So, it fails on object > creation, as the error suggests. Also, the sqlite directory is > world-writeable. > > Any suggestions? > > Paul King > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA ?It can takes months to gain a customer, but only seconds to lose one" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 13 00:37:47 2010 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:37:47 -0400 Subject: Help with PHP, MySQL and Apache in Ubuntu 10.04 In-Reply-To: References: <1284329569.7027.30.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: <1284338267.7027.39.camel@aragorn> Done. Thanks. I would suppose that means I'm getting warm, but I am still being served a blank page, and the error in the log is the same as already mentioned below. But I guess sqlite still needed to be installed, so thanks for asking about the obvious. On Sun, 2010-09-12 at 19:54 -0400, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Maybe you need the php SQLite packages? > > apt-get install php-mdb2-driver-sqlite php5-sqlite > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Paul King wrote: > > Hello > > > > I recently purchased (donationware) a web app (ThemeFrame) written in > > PHP that makes use of MySQL. It is supposed to run locally, on a local > > web server (localhost is OK, apparently). > > > > To make this work, it appeared that I needed to install PHP, mySQL, and > > Apache to some degree beyond their default packages. > > > > I wrote a little script that gave me phpinfo() and it tells me what I've > > installed, from PHP's point of view: > > > > I am running Debian on a 64-bit processor (SMP) with 2GB RAM > > Apache 2.2.14 > > PHP 5.3.2 > > I am viewing this on Firefox 3.6.9 > > > > The problem is that, in the ThemeFrame installation instead of a kickass > > AJAX app, I get a blank screen. The online help at the BytesForAll > > website is a tad slow (it appears developers double as the tech > > support). I don't think it's the source code. I think the problem is in > > my configuration of apache/php/mysql, which was pretty much done "out of > > the box". > > > > Here is the only error reported by the apache error log: > > [Sun Sep 12 17:40:43 2010] [error] [client ::1] PHP Fatal error: > > Class 'SQLiteDatabase' not found > > in /var/www/themeframe/functions.php on line 20 > > > > By the code, it seems like it is attempting to make a database, then > > creating a table for data. If it fails, it dies. By my reckoning, it > > failed and it died, but not on that line. Here is the source code around > > that area: > > > > > > // Check if DB "thfrdb" exists, else create it or display error > > if ($db = new SQLiteDatabase(dirname(__FILE__) . > > '/sqlite/thfrdb')) { > > // if table "default" does not exist, create it > > if (sqlite_table_exists($db, 'newdefault') === FALSE) { > > // Create table > > $db->queryExec('CREATE TABLE newdefault (id int, > > option_name TEXT, option_value TEXT, PRIMARY KEY (id))'); > > } > > } else { > > die($err); > > } > > > > It fails on the first line, just after the comment. Commenting out the > > "die" statement still results in the same error. So, it fails on object > > creation, as the error suggests. Also, the sqlite directory is > > world-writeable. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Paul King > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 13 16:09:07 2010 From: avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Volkov) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:09:07 -0400 Subject: Help with PHP, MySQL and Apache in Ubuntu 10.04 In-Reply-To: <1284338267.7027.39.camel@aragorn> References: <1284329569.7027.30.camel@aragorn> <1284338267.7027.39.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: <1284394147.2588.10.camel@alex-laptop.vlk.int> Hello, I tried your snippet, and $sudo apt-get install php5-sqlite Would make the line php> $test = new SQLiteDatabase("test55"); execute successfully. php5 is a big package and in debian it's been broken up into several pieces and php5-sqlite is what you need. Here's documentation on that package on php website http://www.php.net/manual/en/intro.sqlite.php and it seems, the same way as in python, you don't need standalone sqlite database package, because it's already been implemented in php. Maybe you didin't restart apache after you install that library? Alex. On Sun, 2010-09-12 at 20:37 -0400, Paul King wrote: > Done. Thanks. I would suppose that means I'm getting warm, but I am > still being served a blank page, and the error in the log is the same as > already mentioned below. > > But I guess sqlite still needed to be installed, so thanks for asking > about the obvious. > > On Sun, 2010-09-12 at 19:54 -0400, Tyler Aviss wrote: > > Maybe you need the php SQLite packages? > > > > apt-get install php-mdb2-driver-sqlite php5-sqlite > > > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Paul King wrote: > > > Hello > > > > > > I recently purchased (donationware) a web app (ThemeFrame) written in > > > PHP that makes use of MySQL. It is supposed to run locally, on a local > > > web server (localhost is OK, apparently). > > > > > > To make this work, it appeared that I needed to install PHP, mySQL, and > > > Apache to some degree beyond their default packages. > > > > > > I wrote a little script that gave me phpinfo() and it tells me what I've > > > installed, from PHP's point of view: > > > > > > I am running Debian on a 64-bit processor (SMP) with 2GB RAM > > > Apache 2.2.14 > > > PHP 5.3.2 > > > I am viewing this on Firefox 3.6.9 > > > > > > The problem is that, in the ThemeFrame installation instead of a kickass > > > AJAX app, I get a blank screen. The online help at the BytesForAll > > > website is a tad slow (it appears developers double as the tech > > > support). I don't think it's the source code. I think the problem is in > > > my configuration of apache/php/mysql, which was pretty much done "out of > > > the box". > > > > > > Here is the only error reported by the apache error log: > > > [Sun Sep 12 17:40:43 2010] [error] [client ::1] PHP Fatal error: > > > Class 'SQLiteDatabase' not found > > > in /var/www/themeframe/functions.php on line 20 > > > > > > By the code, it seems like it is attempting to make a database, then > > > creating a table for data. If it fails, it dies. By my reckoning, it > > > failed and it died, but not on that line. Here is the source code around > > > that area: > > > > > > > > > // Check if DB "thfrdb" exists, else create it or display error > > > if ($db = new SQLiteDatabase(dirname(__FILE__) . > > > '/sqlite/thfrdb')) { > > > // if table "default" does not exist, create it > > > if (sqlite_table_exists($db, 'newdefault') === FALSE) { > > > // Create table > > > $db->queryExec('CREATE TABLE newdefault (id int, > > > option_name TEXT, option_value TEXT, PRIMARY KEY (id))'); > > > } > > > } else { > > > die($err); > > > } > > > > > > It fails on the first line, just after the comment. Commenting out the > > > "die" statement still results in the same error. So, it fails on object > > > creation, as the error suggests. Also, the sqlite directory is > > > world-writeable. > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > Paul King > > > > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From David.Collier-Brown-ghy6y1RO5ssFyWsGDH9TEg at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 13 16:26:17 2010 From: David.Collier-Brown-ghy6y1RO5ssFyWsGDH9TEg at public.gmane.org (Collier-Brown, David (LNG-CAN)) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:26:17 -0400 Subject: Off-topic: My employer is looking for 2-3 more Linux people Message-ID: Lexis Nexis, the legal publishing company (whom you may know as QuickLaw) needs as many as three junior through intermediate Linux people, for a long-term effort refactoring their Web and eBook publishing systems. If you're interested you primarily need Linux and text processing experience, either XML processing or classic lexing and parsing. It would also help if you also know agile methods, java and at least one scripting language. I'll be at Tuesday's meeting, anyone interested can speak to me afterwards, and I'm of course also available by email. --dave -- David Collier-Brown, (905) 479-2665 x306 --dave -- David Collier-Brown, (905) 479-2665 x306 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 13 16:59:30 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:59:30 -0400 Subject: Wine versions and Debian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100913165930.GE2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 05:38:20PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > The latest stable version of Wine is 1.2, according to this: > > http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.2 > > I am running Debian Testing. > > When I run 'apt-get install wine' it says I have the latest version, > however 'wine --version' says wine-1.1.25 > > I have this in my sources.list: > > #Wine > > deb http://www.lamaresh.net/apt sid main > > What am I doing wrong here? Well it seems wine is a mess to build, which seems to be the reason debian still hasn't got it packaged. It needs mingw32 updates which are not all done yet, and the 64bit wine (which 1.2 supports) requires a 64bit mingw32 which has apparently been abandoned (so that needs work). There are people working on it, but it looks like there won't be updated debian packages for a while. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 13 17:02:04 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:02:04 -0400 Subject: cheap way of trying Bell ADSL service (today only) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100913170204.GF2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 01:42:15PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > If you don't already subscribe to Bell ADSL, you can get four months of > service for $10! This includes Fibre if your area has the infrastructure. > > Normally $30 (still a good deal), but $10 for today. > No deadline for activating, as far as I know. > You must cancel 30 days before expiry or they will roll you into a monthly > charge at normal rates (you can cancel that with 30 days notice). > > I have one from a sale a month ago but haven't activated it. > > > > I don't really like Bell as an ISP, but this is cheap and would be a > good way for a Rogers user to find out if you can get ADSL Fibre service. > Then (thanks to the astonishing recent CRTC ruling) switch to a better > ISP with Fibre (to the node, I think). I wonder if the horror stories with sympatico billing department of the past is still true (cancelling could be a nightmare in some cases). I am not willing to try it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 13 19:05:40 2010 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:05:40 -0400 Subject: Panoramic Feedback is looking for a Seasoned Python Developer Message-ID: Posted on behalf of Timothy Bentley: ==================================== Panoramic Feedback is a respected international provider of a software-as-a-service 360-degree feedback tool (www.panoramicfeedback.com). Our system has provided hundreds of thousands of leaders with a broad perspective on their skills through the eyes of their colleagues, which supports them in developing their abilities to the full. The Python developer we hire will work from our convenient offices in downtown Toronto (Bathurst subway station). As a permanent full-time member of our team, he/she will take a leading role in our software development. Please respond with a resume (preferably PDF) and a brief description of why you see yourself as a good fit for this role. The job will suit a candidate who ? Enjoys responsibility, autonomy, and control of her/his work environment ? Is a quick learner and likes to take initiative ? Wishes to use his/her preferred technologies ? Appreciates a small-company environment, where his/her contributions have an immediate impact Responsibilities ? Take a leading role in the ongoing design of our web-based software ? Develop new code, largely back-end ? Collaborate with our UI developer ? Documentation and testing ? System administration ? Code maintenance - fixing bugs and repairing customer errors Qualifications ? CS degree or equivalent work experience. Minimum 3 years work experience ? Superior skills in Python, with at least a year of professional experience ? Keen awareness of emerging technologies and trends, best practices and design patterns ? Working knowledge of SQL and database design ? Familiarity with Linux web servers/command line ? Experience developing web applications with an MVC framework, eg Django, Rails, TurboGears ? A good understanding of how the Internet works, eg HTTP, REST ? Experience with Ajax web applications ? Familiarity with software development best-practices, including code review, automated testing, version control, and Issue tracking Compensation: Commensurate with experience Timothy Bentley COO Panoramic Feedback tbentley-9uqKfT/VB6MKNb1xFVKl7WItS4zQEDct at public.gmane.org 1.888.790.6793 416.532.0506 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 13 19:18:19 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:18:19 -0400 Subject: Wine versions and Debian In-Reply-To: <20100913165930.GE2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100913165930.GE2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 05:38:20PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: >> The latest stable version of Wine is 1.2, according to this: >> >> http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.2 >> >> I am running Debian Testing. >> >> When I run 'apt-get install wine' it says I have the latest version, >> however 'wine --version' says wine-1.1.25 >> >> I have this in my sources.list: >> >> #Wine >> >> deb http://www.lamaresh.net/apt sid main >> >> What am I doing wrong here? > > Well it seems wine is a mess to build, which seems to be the reason > debian still hasn't got it packaged. ?It needs mingw32 updates which > are not all done yet, and the 64bit wine (which 1.2 supports) requires > a 64bit mingw32 which has apparently been abandoned (so that needs work). > > There are people working on it, but it looks like there won't be updated > debian packages for a while. > > -- > Len Sorensen Ah, that explains it. Funny, though, building Wine has never been difficult when I've tried it, is this a new problem? -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 13 20:56:00 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:56:00 -0400 Subject: Wine versions and Debian In-Reply-To: References: <20100913165930.GE2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100913205600.GG2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 03:18:19PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > Ah, that explains it. Funny, though, building Wine has never been > difficult when I've tried it, is this a new problem? Apparently. Especially the new 64bit wine support (which is neat to have). Building wine itself isn't so hard, but all the wine .exe tools that it uses are windows executables and hence need mingw. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 13 21:17:49 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:17:49 -0400 Subject: Wine versions and Debian In-Reply-To: <20100913205600.GG2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100913165930.GE2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100913205600.GG2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 03:18:19PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: >> Ah, that explains it. Funny, though, building Wine has never been >> difficult when I've tried it, is this a new problem? > > Apparently. ?Especially the new 64bit wine support (which is neat > to have). > > Building wine itself isn't so hard, but all the wine .exe tools that it > uses are windows executables and hence need mingw. It was never a big deal when people were on IA-32; consider the mix of: a) IA-32 architecture, b) Windows code, compiled on and for IA-32, c) Linux kernel and libraries, running on IA-32, d) WINE, compiled on and for IA-32 With IA-32 everywhere, everything matches, so there's no issue getting it all to work. When you change some of those layers to run x86-64, things get somewhat hairier. Not *alway* hairy - I had an appalling moment a few years ago when I realized someone had taken PostgreSQL + Slony-I compiles done on a RHAS (Red Hat Advanced Server) IA-32 system, and installed them in a "looking somewhat production-y" fashion, on an HP Opteron box running SuSE/x86-64. I was more than just nominally amazed that, despite two layers of mistakes (e.g. - wrong architecture, as well as wrong distribution), it had all worked with a sufficient lack of flaws that nobody had had reason to even notice the mistake. Sometimes the mismatch "just gets handled." Someone had to do some amount of work to get that to be the case. But, as in my "appalling moment," sometimes it's mighty transparent. (The other characteristic case is with IBM AIX. On AIX, you can mix 32 and 64 bit binaries with quite a lot of impunity. Sometimes there are *spectacularly weird* memory management issues that come up. But quite often, you can even run 32 bit binaries, and seemingly mostly have access to 64-bit-flavoured services. IBM put a lot of work into this stuff. They've got a group that deeply understands this sort of thing. I don't want ever to...) It appears that in the case of WINE, one or another of those interactions that I noted above aren't quite so transparent :-(. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 14 15:12:42 2010 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:12:42 -0400 Subject: REDHAT certification Message-ID: <4C8F90EA.4020903@totaltravelmarketing.com> Hi list, What would be a good couple of book for a self taught learner to read for RED-HAT RCHT? I looked around and got these titles as the top of the list: RHCE Red Hat Certified Engineer Linux Study Guide (Exam RH302)--Michael Jang Red Hat Certified Technician & Engineer Training Guide and Administrator's Reference (RHCT / RHCE) --Asghar Ghori ( As REDHAT does not endorse any books, for the obvious reason they want you to pay for their courses, could anybody who has got certified comment on this topic? Thanks for your advice Jose -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 14 15:22:44 2010 From: instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (aaron d) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:22:44 -0400 Subject: REDHAT certification In-Reply-To: <4C8F90EA.4020903-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <4C8F90EA.4020903@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: I have only ever seen Jang's book recommended for RHCE, and it was the one we purchased at work to help those who want RHCE with studying. No one has written it yet, but the book seems to be fairly thorough and hands-on, so I would say go with that. -aaron On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Jose wrote: > Hi list, > > What would be a good couple of book for a self taught learner to read for > RED-HAT RCHT? > > I looked around and got these titles as the top of the list: > > RHCE Red Hat Certified Engineer Linux Study Guide (Exam RH302)--Michael > Jang > > Red Hat Certified Technician & Engineer Training Guide and Administrator's > Reference (RHCT / RHCE) --Asghar Ghori ( > > As REDHAT does not endorse any books, for the obvious reason they want you > to pay for their courses, could anybody who has got certified comment on > this topic? > > Thanks for your advice > > Jose > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 14 15:48:34 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:48:34 -0400 Subject: Wine versions and Debian In-Reply-To: References: <20100913165930.GE2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100913205600.GG2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100914154834.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 05:17:49PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > It was never a big deal when people were on IA-32; consider the mix of: > a) IA-32 architecture, > b) Windows code, compiled on and for IA-32, > c) Linux kernel and libraries, running on IA-32, > d) WINE, compiled on and for IA-32 > > With IA-32 everywhere, everything matches, so there's no issue getting > it all to work. > > When you change some of those layers to run x86-64, things get > somewhat hairier. Not *alway* hairy - I had an appalling moment a few > years ago when I realized someone had taken PostgreSQL + Slony-I > compiles done on a RHAS (Red Hat Advanced Server) IA-32 system, and > installed them in a "looking somewhat production-y" fashion, on an HP > Opteron box running SuSE/x86-64. > > I was more than just nominally amazed that, despite two layers of > mistakes (e.g. - wrong architecture, as well as wrong distribution), > it had all worked with a sufficient lack of flaws that nobody had had > reason to even notice the mistake. > > Sometimes the mismatch "just gets handled." Someone had to do some > amount of work to get that to be the case. But, as in my "appalling > moment," sometimes it's mighty transparent. SuSE I believe has biarch support similar to redhat. So 32bit programs should work fine on a 64bit x86 system. > (The other characteristic case is with IBM AIX. On AIX, you can mix > 32 and 64 bit binaries with quite a lot of impunity. Sometimes there > are *spectacularly weird* memory management issues that come up. But > quite often, you can even run 32 bit binaries, and seemingly mostly > have access to 64-bit-flavoured services. IBM put a lot of work into > this stuff. They've got a group that deeply understands this sort of > thing. I don't want ever to...) AIX had to put work into it since they run a 64bit kernel, with a 32bit user space, except for a few applications where 64bit is worth using. x86 is one of the few if not only architecture where 64bit is almost always better than 32bit. On other architectures you just gain more memory space (great for databases and such) but loose performance due to larger pointers which take more cache space and more memory bandwidth. Debian on powerpc has 32 and 64bit kernel options, but user space is 32bit. Only a few applications get compiled for 64bit in the cases where it makes sense. If the program has no need for a 64bit address space, then it does not make sense. It just makes things slower. sparc is the same way. mips is as well. x86_64 is better than 32bit because AMD did a number of things: - They doubled the number of registers (this really helps performance in most cases). - They scrapped x87 in favour of SSE for floating point. Technically it still supports it, but AMD recommended avoiding x87, and both Linux and Windows explicitly forbid x87 use in 64bit code, so that issue has been taken care of. Future x86_64 processors may choose not to support x87 at all if they want, although that means they also give up 32bit support altogether (which very well could happen some day). - They added some useful new instructions. Other architectures have generally just made the address space bigger. Without new or improved instructions or increased register count, you don't gain anything from 64bit other than address space. mips is actually an unusual case in that the original 32bit mips had some design problems (no 32bit direct load and store for example) which hurt performance in some cases. When they did 64bit they added such instructions, so 64bit mips processors can be faster than 32bit. However the 64bit overhead still hurts so they ended up defining a new 32bit ABI that uses the new instructions added on 64bit mips processors, but use 32bit address space still. So all the benefits of the new instructions without the overhead of the 64bit addresses. Linux supports all 3 on 64bit mips systems. The old ABI is o32, the new ones are n64 and n32 (which is n64 minus the 64bit code bloat). Alpha and itanium are the only ones I can think of that have only ever had 64bit. ARM is of course only 32bit (although they are going to add PAE to allow 40bit physical memory, but still with 32bit limits on applications). I can't believe they think that is a good idea, but I guess it is a quick fix. > It appears that in the case of WINE, one or another of those > interactions that I noted above aren't quite so transparent :-(. You may simply not have touched the wine 1.2 win64 capabilities at all. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 14 20:35:59 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:35:59 -0400 Subject: cheap way of trying Bell ADSL service (today only) In-Reply-To: <20100913170204.GF2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100913170204.GF2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 01:42:15PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> If you don't already subscribe to Bell ADSL, you can get four months of >> service for $10! ?This includes Fibre if your area has the infrastructure. >> >> Normally $30 (still a good deal), but $10 for today. >> No deadline for activating, as far as I know. >> You must cancel 30 days before expiry or they will roll you into a monthly >> charge at normal rates (you can cancel that with 30 days notice). >> >> I have one from a sale a month ago but haven't activated it. >> >> >> >> I don't really like Bell as an ISP, but this is cheap and would be a >> good way for a Rogers user to find out if you can get ADSL Fibre service. >> Then (thanks to the astonishing recent CRTC ruling) switch to a better >> ISP with Fibre (to the node, I think). > > I wonder if the horror stories with sympatico billing department of the > past is still true (cancelling could be a nightmare in some cases). > > I am not willing to try it. > With all due respect to Ralph Nader, Sympatico is a nightmare at any price. It is _guaranteed_ that they will ignore your pleas to cancel, and you will end up with a huge bill, terrible service, and possibly a brand new personality disorder from dealing with Bell's customer service. I've been there. I have the thousand yard stare to prove it. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 14 20:43:25 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:43:25 -0400 Subject: cheap way of trying Bell ADSL service (today only) In-Reply-To: References: <20100913170204.GF2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4C8FDE6D.2000808@rogers.com> Thomas Milne wrote: > With all due respect to Ralph Nader, Sympatico is a nightmare at any price. > Agreed. I've had to deal with them, on behalf of customers, on several occasions. Always a real pain. Fortunately, the rest of Bell isn't that bad. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 14 20:55:59 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:55:59 -0400 Subject: cheap way of trying Bell ADSL service (today only) In-Reply-To: <4C8FDE6D.2000808-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100913170204.GF2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C8FDE6D.2000808@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:43 PM, James Knott wrote: > Thomas Milne wrote: >> >> With all due respect to Ralph Nader, Sympatico is a nightmare at any >> price. >> > > Agreed. ?I've had to deal with them, on behalf of customers, on several > occasions. ?Always a real pain. ?Fortunately, the rest of Bell isn't that > bad. You got that right! My wife has been there for 20 years. If you are a large corporation with 5000 voice and data lines, lemme tell ya, the service is noticeably better ;) Hey, did anyone catch the name of Bell's new Internet TV service? Fibe TV. Yes, Fibe TV. lol. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 14 21:01:59 2010 From: mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dan Mccudden) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:01:59 -0400 Subject: Tonight's GTG Message-ID: <4FA17AA9-D252-4FC3-BC68-99D3395A83C1@gmail.com> So what is the protocol for this? Do I just roll in at Pho88 at 6 and find the group or what? I'm new to this and as such I am breathtakingly ignorant about such things. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 14 21:03:41 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:03:41 -0400 Subject: Tonight's GTG In-Reply-To: <4FA17AA9-D252-4FC3-BC68-99D3395A83C1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4FA17AA9-D252-4FC3-BC68-99D3395A83C1@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Dan Mccudden wrote: > So what is the protocol for this? Do I just roll in at Pho88 at 6 and find the group or what? I'm new to this and as such I am breathtakingly ignorant about such things. Yep, you can do that. We take over a back room, so you could tell the waiting staff that you're with the "group in the back," and they'll direct you to the right place. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 14 21:13:18 2010 From: mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dan Mccudden) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:13:18 -0400 Subject: Tonight's GTG In-Reply-To: References: <4FA17AA9-D252-4FC3-BC68-99D3395A83C1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3662E3D1-D39D-4BD2-817A-8C4CB6F12732@gmail.com> Dandy! I'll be there. On 2010-09-14, at 5:03 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Dan Mccudden wrote: >> So what is the protocol for this? Do I just roll in at Pho88 at 6 and find the group or what? I'm new to this and as such I am breathtakingly ignorant about such things. > > Yep, you can do that. We take over a back room, so you could tell the > waiting staff that you're with the "group in the back," and they'll > direct you to the right place. > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 15 00:42:22 2010 From: alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:42:22 -0300 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out Message-ID: Just received a update from an Netflix Affiliate program with this news ;) It just says Netflix will expand to Canada soon Best Regards Alexandre Alencar http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ COBIT, ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You need to check that the PHP installation on your machine includes support for SQLite. You will also need to make sure that the webserver has write perms on the directory that will contain the database files. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 15 12:12:22 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:12:22 -0400 Subject: O'Reilly Ebooks special Message-ID: <4C90B826.6030400@rogers.com> I've just received an email from O'Reilly. Apparently they're having a special today, where you can buy some Ebooks for $9.99 http://oreilly.com/store/ddccc.html?utm_content=em-orm-DDCCC-direct&utm_campaign=Book+%26+Video+Promos&utm_source=iPost&utm_medium=email&imm_mid=063035&cmp=em-orm-DDCCC-direct Of course, if you already own a paper copy of an O'Reilly book, you can buy the Ebook version for $4.99 at any time. Also, their books are DRM free and available in a variety of formats. Once you've bought an Ebook, you're entitled to all updates for free. I read Ebooks with FBreader on both my desktop computer and Nexus One smartphone. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 15 15:01:27 2010 From: daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org (Daniel Wayne Armstrong) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:01:27 -0400 Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad Message-ID: I ordered a new Thinkpad X201 and when it arrives I will erase Windows from the drive and install Debian as the sole OS. My original plan was simply to boot the machine straight into the Debian installer via usbstick, erase the drive, setup my Debian installation and install GRUB to the MBR. But I have been reading about the "Rescue and Recovery" partition and the ThinkVantage button on new Thinkpads... specifically: http://www.pbandjelly.org/2010/07/debian-squeeze-on-a-thinkpad-x201/ http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Button If I have no intention of running a dual-boot Windows/Linux system... is there any advantage to preserving the rescue-recovery partition and leaving the MBR untouched (installing GRUB to /boot instead) on the new Thinkpads? Thanks! -- ?? ((@)) (\__/) -- Daniel (=.= ) -- http://circuidipity.com (")_(") -- http://identi.ca/dwa -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 15 15:13:02 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:13:02 -0400 Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:01, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote: > If I have no intention of running a dual-boot Windows/Linux system... > is there any advantage to preserving the rescue-recovery partition and > leaving the MBR untouched (installing GRUB to /boot instead) on the > new Thinkpads? Warranty comes to mind. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 15 15:28:24 2010 From: daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org (Daniel Wayne Armstrong) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:28:24 -0400 Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:01, Daniel Wayne Armstrong > wrote: >> If I have no intention of running a dual-boot Windows/Linux system... >> is there any advantage to preserving the rescue-recovery partition and >> leaving the MBR untouched (installing GRUB to /boot instead) on the >> new Thinkpads? > > Warranty comes to mind. Good point. Maybe I should preserve the ability to return the machine to "factory default" in case it needs servicing. Don't like the idea of leaving Windows junk in the MBR, though. -- ?? ((@)) (\__/) -- Daniel (=.= ) -- http://circuidipity.com (")_(") -- http://identi.ca/dwa -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 15 15:35:32 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:35:32 -0400 Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C90E7C4.2010509@rogers.com> Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote: > Good point. Maybe I should preserve the ability to return the machine > to "factory default" in case it needs servicing. Don't like the idea > of leaving Windows junk in the MBR, though. > > I thought with Grub, only Grub used the MBR. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 15 15:43:05 2010 From: daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org (Daniel Wayne Armstrong) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:43:05 -0400 Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <4C90E7C4.2010509-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C90E7C4.2010509@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:35 AM, James Knott wrote: > Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote: >> >> Good point. Maybe I should preserve the ability to return the machine >> to "factory default" in case it needs servicing. Don't like the idea >> of leaving Windows junk in the MBR, though. >> >> > > I thought with Grub, only Grub used the MBR. The first link in my original post makes reference to using the Windows/Lenovo MBR on the Thinkpad to boot to a partition where GRUB is installed... but it sounds messy and sub-optimal. In the past I have always installed GRUB to the MBR. -- ?? ((@)) (\__/) -- Daniel (=.= ) -- http://circuidipity.com (")_(") -- http://identi.ca/dwa -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 15 16:10:10 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:10:10 -0400 Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C90EFE2.2020407@alteeve.com> On 10-09-15 11:01 AM, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote: > I ordered a new Thinkpad X201 and when it arrives I will erase Windows > from the drive and install Debian as the sole OS. > > My original plan was simply to boot the machine straight into the > Debian installer via usbstick, erase the drive, setup my Debian > installation and install GRUB to the MBR. But I have been reading > about the "Rescue and Recovery" partition and the ThinkVantage button > on new Thinkpads... specifically: > > http://www.pbandjelly.org/2010/07/debian-squeeze-on-a-thinkpad-x201/ > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Button > > If I have no intention of running a dual-boot Windows/Linux system... > is there any advantage to preserving the rescue-recovery partition and > leaving the MBR untouched (installing GRUB to /boot instead) on the > new Thinkpads? > > Thanks! What I did, in case I ever needed to return to windows (warranty or resale) was to boot in to windows, run the "Make DVD" tool which creates the recovery media and then wipe the drive and installed Linux. That way, the option is always there to "fall back" to windows, should the unseen need arise, without wasting any disk space. -- Digimer E-Mail: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 15 16:43:46 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:43:46 -0400 Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <4C90EFE2.2020407-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4C90EFE2.2020407@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4C90F7C2.6040800@utoronto.ca> On 09/15/2010 12:10 PM, Digimer wrote: > On 10-09-15 11:01 AM, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote: >> I ordered a new Thinkpad X201 and when it arrives I will erase Windows >> from the drive and install Debian as the sole OS. >> >> My original plan was simply to boot the machine straight into the >> Debian installer via usbstick, erase the drive, setup my Debian >> installation and install GRUB to the MBR. But I have been reading >> about the "Rescue and Recovery" partition and the ThinkVantage button >> on new Thinkpads... specifically: >> >> http://www.pbandjelly.org/2010/07/debian-squeeze-on-a-thinkpad-x201/ >> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Button >> >> If I have no intention of running a dual-boot Windows/Linux system... >> is there any advantage to preserving the rescue-recovery partition and >> leaving the MBR untouched (installing GRUB to /boot instead) on the >> new Thinkpads? >> >> Thanks! > > What I did, in case I ever needed to return to windows (warranty or > resale) was to boot in to windows, run the "Make DVD" tool which creates > the recovery media and then wipe the drive and installed Linux. > > That way, the option is always there to "fall back" to windows, should > the unseen need arise, without wasting any disk space. I burn the DVD too, then I backup my recovery partition to a compressed dd image. Use the partition for / /var and /usr. The other partition I allocate for /home. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 15 16:45:52 2010 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:45:52 -0400 Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <4C90EFE2.2020407-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4C90EFE2.2020407@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Burning the DVD seems like the best option to me as you aren't wasting hard drive space or having to jump through hoops to boot your OS. -jason On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Digimer wrote: > On 10-09-15 11:01 AM, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote: > > I ordered a new Thinkpad X201 and when it arrives I will erase Windows > > from the drive and install Debian as the sole OS. > > > > My original plan was simply to boot the machine straight into the > > Debian installer via usbstick, erase the drive, setup my Debian > > installation and install GRUB to the MBR. But I have been reading > > about the "Rescue and Recovery" partition and the ThinkVantage button > > on new Thinkpads... specifically: > > > > http://www.pbandjelly.org/2010/07/debian-squeeze-on-a-thinkpad-x201/ > > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Button > > > > If I have no intention of running a dual-boot Windows/Linux system... > > is there any advantage to preserving the rescue-recovery partition and > > leaving the MBR untouched (installing GRUB to /boot instead) on the > > new Thinkpads? > > > > Thanks! > > What I did, in case I ever needed to return to windows (warranty or > resale) was to boot in to windows, run the "Make DVD" tool which creates > the recovery media and then wipe the drive and installed Linux. > > That way, the option is always there to "fall back" to windows, should > the unseen need arise, without wasting any disk space. > > -- > Digimer > E-Mail: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org > AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com > Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 15 19:54:57 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:54:57 -0400 Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100915195457.GA8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:01:27AM -0400, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote: > I ordered a new Thinkpad X201 and when it arrives I will erase Windows > from the drive and install Debian as the sole OS. > > My original plan was simply to boot the machine straight into the > Debian installer via usbstick, erase the drive, setup my Debian > installation and install GRUB to the MBR. But I have been reading > about the "Rescue and Recovery" partition and the ThinkVantage button > on new Thinkpads... specifically: > > http://www.pbandjelly.org/2010/07/debian-squeeze-on-a-thinkpad-x201/ > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Button > > If I have no intention of running a dual-boot Windows/Linux system... > is there any advantage to preserving the rescue-recovery partition and > leaving the MBR untouched (installing GRUB to /boot instead) on the > new Thinkpads? No, you don't need that stuff if you never intend to restore the windows version. You could generate DVD backups of the data using tools in windows if you want. It has no effect on the operation of the machine itself. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 15 19:56:01 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:56:01 -0400 Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100915195601.GB8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:28:24AM -0400, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote: > Good point. Maybe I should preserve the ability to return the machine > to "factory default" in case it needs servicing. Don't like the idea > of leaving Windows junk in the MBR, though. Warranty of the hardware can not be dependant on restoring to factory defaults. If their techs need to restore to factory defaults to diagnose things, then they can do that themselves from their disks. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 15 20:40:43 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 16:40:43 -0400 Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <20100915195601.GB8580-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100915195601.GB8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 15:56, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Warranty of the hardware can not be dependant on restoring to factory > defaults. ?If their techs need to restore to factory defaults to diagnose > things, then they can do that themselves from their disks. > > -- > Len Sorensen You'd be surprised how a lot of laptop/netbook manufacturers would refuse warranty if the original OS is not present. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 15 21:25:46 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:25:46 -0400 Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad In-Reply-To: References: <20100915195601.GB8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4C9139DA.7080602@alteeve.com> On 10-09-15 04:40 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 15:56, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: >> Warranty of the hardware can not be dependant on restoring to factory >> defaults. If their techs need to restore to factory defaults to diagnose >> things, then they can do that themselves from their disks. >> >> -- >> Len Sorensen > > You'd be surprised how a lot of laptop/netbook manufacturers would > refuse warranty if the original OS is not present. >From personal experience, Lenovo doesn't require this. I sent mine back with Linux and they didn't bat an eye. -- Digimer E-Mail: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 15 21:33:32 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:33:32 -0400 Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <4C9139DA.7080602-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100915195601.GB8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C9139DA.7080602@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Digimer wrote: > On 10-09-15 04:40 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 15:56, Lennart Sorensen >> wrote: >>> Warranty of the hardware can not be dependant on restoring to factory >>> defaults. ?If their techs need to restore to factory defaults to diagnose >>> things, then they can do that themselves from their disks. >>> >>> -- >>> Len Sorensen >> >> You'd be surprised how a lot of laptop/netbook manufacturers would >> refuse warranty if the original OS is not present. > > From personal experience, Lenovo doesn't require this. I sent mine back > with Linux and they didn't bat an eye. Methinks the issue is all in how you present this. If you bought a "Windows laptop," and they hear you asking for "Linux support," then hackles may (somewhat legitimately!) go up, and they'll be watching for anything that they can interpret as problematic. If, on the other hand, they're told that "the hardware doesn't function", and you keep the conversation to neutral matters, then they are quite likely never to be aware of this. "It doesn't turn on." "You need to boot up the Windows rescue partition and..." "It doesn't turn on, so I can't perform that step" (no need to worry them about the fact that that partition's long gone!) If the hard drive is fried, then nobody can determine what's on it (not on a $25/hr tech, anyways). "The BIOS is telling me the hard drive is not recognized." (at which point, there are *no* partitions, for any OS...) -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 15 23:18:07 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:18:07 -0400 Subject: Wine versions and Debian In-Reply-To: References: <20100913165930.GE2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100913205600.GG2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100915231807.GA6672@waltdnes.org> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 05:17:49PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote > It was never a big deal when people were on IA-32; consider the mix of: > a) IA-32 architecture, > b) Windows code, compiled on and for IA-32, > c) Linux kernel and libraries, running on IA-32, > d) WINE, compiled on and for IA-32 > > With IA-32 everywhere, everything matches, so there's no issue getting > it all to work. > > When you change some of those layers to run x86-64, things get > somewhat hairier. In the case of Gentoo, and I presume other distros, you *MUST* have the 32-emulation or support libraries installed for WINE to run on a 64-bit install. I neglected to do that. Adding 32-bit support after the initial install is downright hairy in Gentoo. The recommended method is a re-install. To avoid that, I installed qemu-kvm, and then a 32-bit Gentoo guest. In there, WINE sees all-32-bits, and is perfectly happy. I treat the guest as a remote machine and run 4NEC2 under WINE pretending that I'm running an X app on a remote system, and displaying on my machine. Don't laugh, it works. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 16 00:19:03 2010 From: daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org (Daniel Wayne Armstrong) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 20:19:03 -0400 Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <4C9139DA.7080602-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100915195601.GB8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C9139DA.7080602@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Digimer wrote: > On 10-09-15 04:40 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 15:56, Lennart Sorensen >> wrote: >>> Warranty of the hardware can not be dependant on restoring to factory >>> defaults. ?If their techs need to restore to factory defaults to diagnose >>> things, then they can do that themselves from their disks. >>> >>> -- >>> Len Sorensen >> >> You'd be surprised how a lot of laptop/netbook manufacturers would >> refuse warranty if the original OS is not present. > > From personal experience, Lenovo doesn't require this. I sent mine back > with Linux and they didn't bat an eye. Thanks for the info! I think when I receive the laptop I will first boot into a minimal Windows setup, confirm things are working, make a DVD backup with an external drive as mentioned, then wipe the drive and set up Debian the way I like it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 16 00:50:59 2010 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Off-topic: My employer is looking ...pls ignore previous post In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <124603.67514.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi, Please ignore my previous email. It was not meant to be sent here. My bad. EK --- On Mon, 9/13/10, Collier-Brown, David (LNG-CAN) wrote: > From: Collier-Brown, David (LNG-CAN) > Subject: [TLUG]: Off-topic: My employer is looking for 2-3 more Linux people > To: tlug at ss.org > Cc: "Collier-Brown, David (LNG-CAN)" > Received: Monday, September 13, 2010, 12:26 PM > ? Lexis Nexis, the legal > publishing company (whom you may know as > QuickLaw) needs as many as three junior through > intermediate Linux > people, for a long-term effort refactoring their Web and > eBook > publishing systems. > > ? If you're interested you primarily need Linux and > text processing > experience, either XML processing or classic lexing and > parsing. It > would also help if you also know agile methods, java and at > least one > scripting language. > > ? I'll be at Tuesday's meeting, anyone interested can > speak to me > afterwards, and I'm of course also available by email. > > --dave > -- > David Collier-Brown, > (905) 479-2665 x306 > > > --dave > -- > David Collier-Brown, > (905) 479-2665 x306 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From anton-P5WJPa9AKEc1GQ1Ptb7lUw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 16 02:55:14 2010 From: anton-P5WJPa9AKEc1GQ1Ptb7lUw at public.gmane.org (Anton Verevkin) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 02:55:14 +0000 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <437e1bc56125fd97f39b880eae07d357@veriksrv.vnet> "William Muriithi" wrote: >>> - Network monitoring tools. Are you using something like Nagios to know >>> what's going on on your servers? It does not support IPv6. > This one is interesting. From how I know Nagios, its just mysql, > apache and perl. Sorry for that, I was wrong. Even though Nagios core is not perl, but a gcc-compiled binary, I totally forgot that main Nagios communication is done with agents - small modular programs, that can easily be converted to ipv6 > Some none open source stuff will never work. > ... > A case of glass being either half full or half empty > William I agree that for me it is probably more of a psychological thing. I really wish to get to IPv6 ASAP, but am probably afraid somewhere deep inside and thus imagine more and more difficulties. I would like to seek for advice from IPv6-gurus on the following. Imagine you have a network, too small to make BGP-peering with the ISPs, but this network still wants to have multihoming with two internet connections. Let's say with Bell and Rogers, or with Acanac and Teksavvy :). Imagine all of them already provide you with both ipv4 and ipv6. In the IPv4 case they would give you one IP address each that you set on different NICs of your router and make some logic to NAT outgoing connections to one IP or another. Reply packets get back through the same connection where they originated. In case of IPv6 both ISPs provide you with subnet prefixes. Which prefix you would set up in your LAN? How would you do the routing? No doubt we do not want NAT here, or else why switching from IPv4? We would also want to avoid tunnels in the final solution, for tunnels are for the transition period, right? And for sure we do not want to have a custom solution from the ISPs as it would cost ten times as much. Is there maybe a totally different way of fixing this? Thanks and Regards, -- Best regards, Anton Verevkin anton-P5WJPa9AKEc1GQ1Ptb7lUw at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 16 03:02:02 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:02:02 -0400 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <437e1bc56125fd97f39b880eae07d357-Efp6R71wwccuCXBAd9n0Eg@public.gmane.org> References: <437e1bc56125fd97f39b880eae07d357@veriksrv.vnet> Message-ID: <4C9188AA.3040400@rogers.com> Anton Verevkin wrote: > In case of IPv6 both ISPs provide you with subnet prefixes. Which prefix you > would set up in your LAN? How would you do the routing? No doubt we do not > want NAT here, or else why switching from IPv4? We would also want to avoid > tunnels in the final solution, for tunnels are for the transition period, > right? > You can have subnets from both active at the same time on all computers. This is because IPv6 is designed to support multiple addresses on an interface. Routers advertise themselves, so either should work, but I don't know how to make one default and not the other. One other nice thing that IPv6 has that's nice, is depreciated addresses. Suppose you change providers. Instead of just cutting off one, connecting to the other and adjusting the DNS, you could leave up the old for a while, as a depreciated and just change the DNS to the new. This way, you don't interrupt access and for a period of time, have both ISPs available. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 16 05:09:26 2010 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 01:09:26 -0400 Subject: make a networked printer available to a subnet Message-ID: Hi folks, we have two wireless routers in our hose: - an old linksys running tomato-pppoe so teksavvy an avoid the Bell throttling; - a new d-link whose wireless network actually works, unlike the one on the linksys, which has been extremely erratic for years. The two routers are in separate parts of hte house, and our printer is attached (via cat5 cable) to the tomato-run router for arcane reasons. It's an hp officejet (nice printing quality, a little slow & really expensive ink); here's the printers.conf listing from /etc/cups: Info HP Officejet Pro Print Function Location Downstairs MakeModel HP Officejet Pro 8500 a909a hpijs, 3.10.2 DeviceURI hp:/net/Officejet_Pro_8500_A909a?zc=HP73DA4B State Idle StateTime 1284560250 Type 8425500 Filter application/vnd.cups-raw 0 - Filter application/vnd.cups-postscript 100 foomatic-rip Filter application/vnd.cups-pdf 0 foomatic-rip Accepting Yes Shared Yes JobSheets none none QuotaPeriod 0 PageLimit 0 KLimit 0 OpPolicy default ErrorPolicy retry-job Here's my question: how do I access this printer from the d-link's wireless network? Do I have to open ports on one router or another? The device uri has been converted to that odd hp:/, but as I remember it used to be and LPD queue on a fixed IP. Again: can I push the printer info out into the subnet, or is this a lost cause? Thanks as usual matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 16 06:03:42 2010 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: make a networked printer available to a subnet Message-ID: <82317.35143.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Matt Price wrote: From: Matt Price Subject: [TLUG]: make a networked printer available to a subnet To: "TLUG" Received: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 1:09 AM Hi folks, we have two wireless routers in our hose:? - an old linksys running tomato-pppoe so teksavvy an avoid the Bell throttling; - a new d-link whose wireless network actually works, unlike the one on the linksys, which has been extremely erratic for years. The two routers are in separate parts of hte house, and our printer is attached (via cat5 cable) to the tomato-run router for arcane reasons.? It's an hp officejet (nice printing quality, a little slow & really expensive ink); here's the printers.conf listing from /etc/cups: Info HP Officejet Pro Print Function Location Downstairs MakeModel HP Officejet Pro 8500 a909a hpijs, 3.10.2 DeviceURI hp:/net/Officejet_Pro_8500_A909a?zc=HP73DA4B State Idle StateTime 1284560250 Type 8425500 Filter application/vnd.cups-raw 0 - Filter application/vnd.cups-postscript 100 foomatic-rip Filter application/vnd.cups-pdf 0 foomatic-rip Accepting Yes Shared Yes JobSheets none none QuotaPeriod 0 PageLimit 0 KLimit 0 OpPolicy default ErrorPolicy retry-job Here's my question:? how do I access this printer from the d-link's wireless network?? Do I have to open ports on one router or another?? The device uri has been converted to that odd hp:/, but as I remember it used to be and LPD queue on a fixed IP.? Again:? can I push the printer info out into the subnet, or is this a lost cause?? Thanks as usual matt -------------------------- Hi Matt, Do you have the two routers on the same network? Can you ping the printer from a computer connected to the other router? If so, with cups, you may try to configure Internet printing protocol (ipp). you may need to open the ipp port which is 631. HTH EK -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 16 15:05:12 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:05:12 -0400 Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad In-Reply-To: References: <20100915195601.GB8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100916150512.GC8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 04:40:43PM -0400, Michael Lauzon wrote: > You'd be surprised how a lot of laptop/netbook manufacturers would > refuse warranty if the original OS is not present. And if the HD failed does that mean you have no warrenty? It is clearly nonsense for any company to claim you can't install another OS on a computer. Certainly Asus has no issue with it, but if you send it for warrenty you have to give them permission to restore the drive to factory defaults if required to do their diagnositcs (so backups are your responsibility before sending it for service). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 16 15:06:53 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:06:53 -0400 Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad In-Reply-To: References: <20100915195601.GB8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C9139DA.7080602@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20100916150653.GD8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 08:19:03PM -0400, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote: > Thanks for the info! > > I think when I receive the laptop I will first boot into a minimal > Windows setup, confirm things are working, make a DVD backup with an > external drive as mentioned, then wipe the drive and set up Debian the > way I like it. That's what I did with my Thinkpad. Not sure what I did with the DVDs after making them. They are probably around somewhere, although vista basic is not something I have any need to ever restore. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 16 15:09:31 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:09:31 -0400 Subject: make a networked printer available to a subnet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100916150931.GE8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 01:09:26AM -0400, Matt Price wrote: > we have two wireless routers in our hose: > > - an old linksys running tomato-pppoe so teksavvy an avoid the Bell > throttling; > - a new d-link whose wireless network actually works, unlike the one on the > linksys, which has been extremely erratic for years. > > The two routers are in separate parts of hte house, and our printer is > attached (via cat5 cable) to the tomato-run router for arcane reasons. It's > an hp officejet (nice printing quality, a little slow & really expensive > ink); here's the printers.conf listing from /etc/cups: > > Info HP Officejet Pro Print Function > Location Downstairs > MakeModel HP Officejet Pro 8500 a909a hpijs, 3.10.2 > DeviceURI hp:/net/Officejet_Pro_8500_A909a?zc=HP73DA4B > State Idle > StateTime 1284560250 > Type 8425500 > Filter application/vnd.cups-raw 0 - > Filter application/vnd.cups-postscript 100 foomatic-rip > Filter application/vnd.cups-pdf 0 foomatic-rip > Accepting Yes > Shared Yes > JobSheets none none > QuotaPeriod 0 > PageLimit 0 > KLimit 0 > OpPolicy default > ErrorPolicy retry-job > > > Here's my question: how do I access this printer from the d-link's wireless > network? Do I have to open ports on one router or another? The device uri > has been converted to that odd hp:/, but as I remember it used to be and LPD > queue on a fixed IP. Again: can I push the printer info out into the > subnet, or is this a lost cause? If you have it working with cups on a machine, then just have that machine share the cups printer with the network. By default cups does NOT share printers. You can change it using https://localhost:631/admin/ There is a checkbox for sharing. Make sure you are not firewalling port 631 of course. You won't even need to setup anything on the other machines as long as they have the cups client software setup, they should auto detect the printer once it is shared and just work. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 16 15:14:43 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:14:43 -0400 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <437e1bc56125fd97f39b880eae07d357-Efp6R71wwccuCXBAd9n0Eg@public.gmane.org> References: <437e1bc56125fd97f39b880eae07d357@veriksrv.vnet> Message-ID: <20100916151443.GF8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 02:55:14AM +0000, Anton Verevkin wrote: > Sorry for that, I was wrong. Even though Nagios core is not perl, but a > gcc-compiled binary, I totally forgot that main Nagios communication is > done with agents - small modular programs, that can easily be converted > to ipv6 > > I agree that for me it is probably more of a psychological thing. I really > wish to get to IPv6 ASAP, but am probably afraid somewhere deep inside and > thus imagine more and more difficulties. > > > I would like to seek for advice from IPv6-gurus on the following. Imagine > you > have a network, too small to make BGP-peering with the ISPs, but this > network > still wants to have multihoming with two internet connections. Let's say > with > Bell and Rogers, or with Acanac and Teksavvy :). Imagine all of them already > provide you with both ipv4 and ipv6. > > In the IPv4 case they would give you one IP address each that you set on > different NICs of your router and make some logic to NAT outgoing > connections > to one IP or another. Reply packets get back through the same connection > where they originated. > > In case of IPv6 both ISPs provide you with subnet prefixes. Which prefix you > would set up in your LAN? How would you do the routing? No doubt we do not > want NAT here, or else why switching from IPv4? We would also want to avoid > tunnels in the final solution, for tunnels are for the transition period, > right? > And for sure we do not want to have a custom solution from the ISPs as it > would > cost ten times as much. Is there maybe a totally different way of fixing > this? > > Thanks and Regards, IPv6 multihoming is a work in progress and not done yet unfortunately. All the proposals seem to have big disadvantages to them. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 16 16:46:06 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <20100916150512.GC8580-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100915195601.GB8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100916150512.GC8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | And if the HD failed does that mean you have no warrenty? It is | clearly nonsense for any company to claim you can't install another OS | on a computer. It is clearly nonsense. But that doesn't stop them using it as an excuse for not supporting you. I get a lot of nonsense when I phone support lines. For that reason, I mostly don't bother phoning. I normally do leave MS Windows on my machines. It doesn't take much space relative to current disk sizes and once in a blue moon it might turn out to be useful. Too many manufacturers only provide firmware updates in a form that requires Windows for installation. I paid for it, so I want to have it. My main use for Windows is to apply updates to Windows. A foolish waste of time. My Acer Revo 3610 computers come with Win7. The sad thing is that the as-delivered system uses 3 of the 4 possible primary partitions already used. Piggy piggy piggy. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 16 17:03:57 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <437e1bc56125fd97f39b880eae07d357-Efp6R71wwccuCXBAd9n0Eg@public.gmane.org> References: <437e1bc56125fd97f39b880eae07d357@veriksrv.vnet> Message-ID: | From: Anton Verevkin | I would like to seek for advice from IPv6-gurus on the following. | Imagine you have a network, too small to make BGP-peering with the ISPs, | but this network still wants to have multihoming with two internet | connections. Let's say with Bell and Rogers, or with Acanac and Teksavvy | :). Imagine all of them already provide you with both ipv4 and ipv6. I do this with IPv4, and it isn't very satisfactory. I have two gateways. Each machine on my LAN has a routable IP address (but that isn't required). Each gateway knows how to route packets to each machine on my LAN. Each machine on my LAN routes to a gateway of its choice (usually set by DHCP). There is no load balancing. One gateway uses NAT, the other passes through the traffic with the routable addresses. Load balancing won't easily work. The problem is that packets from one machine on my LAN would have different IP addresses depending on which gateway is used. This doesn't work for most protocols. I could use more sophisicated routing rules on the machines on my LAN. When one gateway loses internet connectivity, I can manually change routing policies (most easily in the DHCP server's tables). Most outages are too short to bother. | In the IPv4 case they would give you one IP address each that you set on | different NICs of your router and make some logic to NAT outgoing | connections to one IP or another. Reply packets get back through the | same connection where they originated. How do you do load balancing? I don't thing your last sentence is correct (unfortunately). | In case of IPv6 both ISPs provide you with subnet prefixes. Which prefix you | would set up in your LAN? How would you do the routing? No doubt we do not | want NAT here, or else why switching from IPv4? We would also want to avoid | tunnels in the final solution, for tunnels are for the transition period, | right? I expect you can use NAT on IPv6. Just not the way we are used to thinking of it. The normal use of NAT in IPv4 (really NAPT) is to let one IP address serve a bunch of client machines. Yuck -- not in the spirit of the internet, a network of peers. It this case, you'd just do a one-to-one and onto mapping to change the prefix (probably in the gateway). I don't know which IPv6 protocols break if prefixes are translated. For example, some, but not all, IPSec protocols "protect" the IP addresses and would not allow them to be changed. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 16 17:13:50 2010 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:13:50 -0400 Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad In-Reply-To: References: <20100915195601.GB8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100916150512.GC8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:46 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Lennart Sorensen > > | And if the HD failed does that mean you have no warrenty? ?It is > | clearly nonsense for any company to claim you can't install another OS > | on a computer. > > It is clearly nonsense. ?But that doesn't stop them using it as an > excuse for not supporting you. ?I get a lot of nonsense when I phone > support lines. ?For that reason, I mostly don't bother phoning. When I get a machine like this, I use dd to grab the recovery partition and the master partition table. It never hurts. The recovery partitions aren't too big either. You do never know when you want the Windows image, and retail licenses for Windows are impossibly expensive. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 16 17:41:35 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:41:35 -0400 Subject: Rescue-and-Recovery partition on new Thinkpad In-Reply-To: References: <20100915195601.GB8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100916150512.GC8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100916174135.GG8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:46:06PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > It is clearly nonsense. But that doesn't stop them using it as an > excuse for not supporting you. I get a lot of nonsense when I phone > support lines. For that reason, I mostly don't bother phoning. If they don't want to provide support if you don't run windows that is fine, but the warrenty on the hardware can not have anything to do with it. The fact they hire monkeys with scripts to answer the phone if you call with a hardware problem that insist it must be a problem with the software first because their script says so, that is a very different problem. Strangely I have never had a problem getting a computer fixed no matter what OS was on it at the time. So far every case I have read about where someone was told they wouldn't get service because the machine didn't have windows when it was a hardware issue did eventually get it fixed once they talked to someone higher up with a brain that worked. > I normally do leave MS Windows on my machines. > > It doesn't take much space relative to current disk sizes and once in > a blue moon it might turn out to be useful. Win7 seems to like at least 20GB for itself. That is a good chunk of a laptop drive. > Too many manufacturers only provide firmware updates in a > form that requires Windows for installation. > > I paid for it, so I want to have it. I paid very little for my windows vista basic. I did not want to have it. > My main use for Windows is to apply updates to Windows. A foolish > waste of time. > > My Acer Revo 3610 computers come with Win7. The sad thing is that the > as-delivered system uses 3 of the 4 possible primary partitions > already used. Piggy piggy piggy. Yeah, restore partition, system partition, main windows partition. And windows 7 actually supports GPT so there wouldn't have to be any 4 primary partition limit in the first place. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From anton-P5WJPa9AKEc1GQ1Ptb7lUw at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 17 01:08:13 2010 From: anton-P5WJPa9AKEc1GQ1Ptb7lUw at public.gmane.org (Anton Verevkin) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:08:13 +0000 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5a0b6d07ebf2fc7bd289aaad49fea2a7@verevkin.it> "D. Hugh Redelmeier" wrote: > I have two gateways. ... > One gateway uses NAT, the other passes through the traffic with > the routable addresses. ... > I expect you can use NAT on IPv6. ... > It this case, you'd just do a one-to-one and onto mapping to change > the prefix (probably in the gateway). I also thought about 1:1 NAT on one of the routers. This might really help if you are using one of the connections as a passive backup. > | In the IPv4 case they would give you one IP address each that you set on > | different NICs of your router and make some logic to NAT outgoing > | connections to one IP or another. Reply packets get back through the > | same connection where they originated. > > How do you do load balancing? I don't thing your last sentence is > correct (unfortunately). By saying that packets return through the originating connection I meant that if you have Bell IP 1.1.1.1 and Rogers IP 2.2.2.2 and you let the packet exit through the Bell link, your router makes NAT to the 1.1.1.1 address, and the reply packet will definitely get back through Bell as it will be going to IP 1.1.1.1. I have made several installations of this kind for IPv4 but mostly did not have load balancing. It was just a total switch to backup channel in case of the primary channel failure. Once I was asked to make load balancing and I made it for HTTP only. I installed a load balancer application inside the network that was randomly forwarding tcp sessions to one of the two destinations - two HTTP proxy servers outside of the network, and set the static host routes on the gateway to get to them through different ISPs. Users inside the LAN were using this balancer as their HTTP proxy and were actually balanced between two real proxies through different ISPs. In theory if you find a way to send the packets to different gateways on the basis of SourceIP-DestinationIP pairs (randomized) you will be safe for most protocols. Probably SIP might break, but it is broken by design, if you are doing NAT anyway. Regards, -- Best regards, Anton Verevkin anton-P5WJPa9AKEc1GQ1Ptb7lUw at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 17 04:56:34 2010 From: dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org (David Christopher Chipman) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:56:34 -0400 Subject: Randomly Blanking/Power-saving Display in X (Centos 5.5) Message-ID: <4C92F502.3000300@ican.net> Hi all, For about a month now I've had my screen go blank, when I move the mouse or press a key. Some times it makes my computer unusable for a couple of moments. It has most often happened while I'm surfing the web (in Firefox, ver. 3.6.9) with several tabs open. However, it also happened while I was writing this message. David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 17 05:02:29 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:02:29 -0400 Subject: Randomly Blanking/Power-saving Display in X (Centos 5.5) In-Reply-To: <4C92F502.3000300-rYHPKw+MWrk@public.gmane.org> References: <4C92F502.3000300@ican.net> Message-ID: Intel graphics chip? On 2010-09-16 9:57 PM, "David Christopher Chipman" wrote: Hi all, For about a month now I've had my screen go blank, when I move the mouse or press a key. Some times it makes my computer unusable for a couple of moments. It has most often happened while I'm surfing the web (in Firefox, ver. 3.6.9) with several tabs open. However, it also happened while I was writing this message. David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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David I assume you've checked the cords and connections, but ... If you have a bad video wire and the mouse cord is wrapped around it, mouse movements could trigger strange behaviour. (Unlikely, yes, but that's a pretty weird occurrence.) -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 17 13:22:37 2010 From: dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org (David Christopher Chipman) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:22:37 -0400 Subject: Randomly Blanking/Power-saving Display in X (Centos 5.5) In-Reply-To: References: <4C92F502.3000300@ican.net> Message-ID: <4C936B9D.10806@ican.net> Giles Orr wrote: > On 17 September 2010 00:56, David Christopher Chipman wrote: > >> For about a month now I've had my screen go blank, when I move the mouse >> or press a key. Some times it makes my computer unusable for a couple of >> moments. It has most often happened while I'm surfing the web (in Firefox, >> ver. 3.6.9) with several tabs open. However, it also happened while I was >> writing this message. David >> > > I assume you've checked the cords and connections, but ... If you > have a bad video wire and the mouse cord is wrapped around it, mouse > movements could trigger strange behaviour. (Unlikely, yes, but that's > a pretty weird occurrence.) > > Hi Giles, Thanks for that suggestion, about checking the cables. That seems to have fixed things. But to Tyler Aviss, yes it is an Intel on-board graphics chip. Thanks guys, -David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 17 13:39:30 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:39:30 -0400 Subject: Microsoft criticizes Brazilian government's position about free software Message-ID: Found this on Slashdot, it linked to another article, which then linked to the source of the English translation of the Brazilian article: (Published on Folha de S?o Paulo, the most important journal of Brazil; http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/tec/798606-microsoft-critica-posicao-do-governo-brasileiro-sobre-o-software-livre.shtml) The president of Microsoft Latin America, Hern?n Rinc?n, sent word to Brazilian government: "innovation software does not happen in the hands of governments but the private sector." The statement came after he was questioned about the government's position of supporting programs with open source like Linux. In a meeting with journalists from Latin America in Bellevue, Wash., he said this morning: "Governments have to ask: what business is to serve their citizens and develop software? Innovation is at private sector. " According to Rincon, free programs require more work and investment from the government to keep them running and updated - which does not happen when companies take care of that for the government. The executive, however, said that the two models - open source and closed - will continue to coexist. COMPETITION Rincon also needled competition betting on open standards and free of charge, such as Google. "When you do not can compete, you are declaring open. This masks incompetence. " The executive added: "When convenient, the companies say they are open. They use it for your own benefit. " NUMBERS The executive also presented with numbers optimism about the region. He said six of the last seven years, the region grew - the exception was 2008. And the technology sector had strong participation in it. In recent years, the technology sector in Latin America was, on average, two to three percentage points above the region's growth. In one year, for example, where regional GDP growth was 5%, the technology of information increased from 7% to 8%. Brazil, said Rincon, took a leading role in this process. Microsoft Latin America followed the growth. The executive said his division is the fastest growing of all regional divisions. The company would be three times larger in terms of turnover than it was seven years ago. He said 95% of computers run Windows in Latin America. Apple and Linux had 1.3% from 2% to 3%. http://lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php?topic=10523.0 -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 17 13:42:27 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:42:27 -0400 Subject: Microsoft criticizes Brazilian government's position about free software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: They do this at least once a year. It's already a tradition and nobody takes them seriously. On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 09:39, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Found this on Slashdot, it linked to another article, which then > linked to the source of the English translation of the Brazilian > article: > > (Published on Folha de S?o Paulo, the most important journal of > Brazil; http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/tec/798606-microsoft-critica-posicao-do-governo-brasileiro-sobre-o-software-livre.shtml) > > The president of Microsoft Latin America, Hern?n Rinc?n, sent word to > Brazilian government: "innovation software does not happen in the > hands of governments but the private sector." > > The statement came after he was questioned about the government's > position of supporting programs with open source like Linux. > > In a meeting with journalists from Latin America in Bellevue, Wash., > he said this morning: "Governments have to ask: what business is to > serve their citizens and develop software? Innovation is at private > sector. " > > According to Rincon, free programs require more work and investment > from the government to keep them running and updated - which does not > happen when companies take care of that for the government. > > The executive, however, said that the two models - open source and > closed - will continue to coexist. > > COMPETITION > > Rincon also needled competition betting on open standards and free of > charge, such as Google. "When you do not can compete, you are > declaring open. This masks incompetence. " > > The executive added: "When convenient, the companies say they are > open. They use it for your own benefit. " > > NUMBERS > > The executive also presented with numbers optimism about the region. > > He said six of the last seven years, the region grew - the exception > was 2008. And the technology sector had strong participation in it. > > In recent years, the technology sector in Latin America was, on > average, two to three percentage points above the region's growth. In > one year, for example, where regional GDP growth was 5%, the > technology of information increased from 7% to 8%. > > Brazil, said Rincon, took a leading role in this process. Microsoft > Latin America followed the growth. The executive said his division is > the fastest growing of all regional divisions. The company would be > three times larger in terms of turnover than it was seven years ago. > > He said 95% of computers run Windows in Latin America. Apple and Linux > had 1.3% from 2% to 3%. > > http://lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php?topic=10523.0 > > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 17 14:08:33 2010 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:08:33 -0300 Subject: Microsoft criticizes Brazilian government's position about free software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all. That's normal. Microsoft always do this in here (Brazil). The fact is that our government is changing almost everything for free software and open source. Brazil is adopting a strategy in this strict sense where the preference is to use open source whenever is possible. In banks, government agencies, schools, military bodies, etc. Microsoft is not accepting the fact that Brazil is embracing solutions that are more favorable to the country as well as an improvment to our technological autonomy. In some speechs I'm using these simple words when someone asks me about Free Software as a strategy for our country. "Free Software - Socially fair, technologically feasible and economically sustainable." best regards --- - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org - KDE Brasil Member - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Found this on Slashdot, it linked to another article, which then > linked to the source of the English translation of the Brazilian > article: > > (Published on Folha de S?o Paulo, the most important journal of > Brazil; > http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/tec/798606-microsoft-critica-posicao-do-governo-brasileiro-sobre-o-software-livre.shtml > ) > > The president of Microsoft Latin America, Hern?n Rinc?n, sent word to > Brazilian government: "innovation software does not happen in the > hands of governments but the private sector." > > The statement came after he was questioned about the government's > position of supporting programs with open source like Linux. > > In a meeting with journalists from Latin America in Bellevue, Wash., > he said this morning: "Governments have to ask: what business is to > serve their citizens and develop software? Innovation is at private > sector. " > > According to Rincon, free programs require more work and investment > from the government to keep them running and updated - which does not > happen when companies take care of that for the government. > > The executive, however, said that the two models - open source and > closed - will continue to coexist. > > COMPETITION > > Rincon also needled competition betting on open standards and free of > charge, such as Google. "When you do not can compete, you are > declaring open. This masks incompetence. " > > The executive added: "When convenient, the companies say they are > open. They use it for your own benefit. " > > NUMBERS > > The executive also presented with numbers optimism about the region. > > He said six of the last seven years, the region grew - the exception > was 2008. And the technology sector had strong participation in it. > > In recent years, the technology sector in Latin America was, on > average, two to three percentage points above the region's growth. In > one year, for example, where regional GDP growth was 5%, the > technology of information increased from 7% to 8%. > > Brazil, said Rincon, took a leading role in this process. Microsoft > Latin America followed the growth. The executive said his division is > the fastest growing of all regional divisions. The company would be > three times larger in terms of turnover than it was seven years ago. > > He said 95% of computers run Windows in Latin America. Apple and Linux > had 1.3% from 2% to 3%. > > http://lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php?topic=10523.0 > > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 17 16:41:17 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Microsoft criticizes Brazilian government's position about free software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Marcelo Cavalcante wrote: > The fact is that our government is changing almost everything for free > software and open source. Brazil is adopting a strategy in this strict sense > where the preference is to use open source whenever is possible. Yes I'd noticed this and wished my countries would do the same... Actually the Canadian government is pretty open to OSS but Brazil is clearly favouring it. > Microsoft is not accepting the fact that Brazil is embracing solutions that > are more favorable to the country as well as an improvment to our > technological autonomy. Exactly. A couple of decades ago Sweden identified foreign produced software that they lacked the source code for as a threat to national security and then promptly did nothing about it :) > "Free Software - Socially fair, technologically feasible and economically > sustainable." Nice. Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Contributing member of Software in the Public Interest (http://spi-inc.org/) Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From anton-P5WJPa9AKEc1GQ1Ptb7lUw at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 18 01:45:51 2010 From: anton-P5WJPa9AKEc1GQ1Ptb7lUw at public.gmane.org (Anton Verevkin) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 01:45:51 +0000 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <5a0b6d07ebf2fc7bd289aaad49fea2a7-P5WJPa9AKEc1GQ1Ptb7lUw@public.gmane.org> References: <5a0b6d07ebf2fc7bd289aaad49fea2a7@verevkin.it> Message-ID: <8bda80f60c6ec96ea61237d628b7c102@veriksrv.vnet> By the way does anyone know where I can buy a set of provider-independent IPv6 addresses for myself and what is the approx. price for that? I saw that if you already owe your PI addresses, Hurricane Electric ipv6 tunnel broker can do BGP with you over the tunnel. That could be a good choice for multihoming - a BGP session with one larger ISP for the primary path and a regular cheap ipv4 ISP with a tunnel to Hurricane Electric as a backup. I just have no idea on how expensive it is. Thanks -- Best regards, Anton Verevkin anton-P5WJPa9AKEc1GQ1Ptb7lUw at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 18 02:17:43 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 22:17:43 -0400 Subject: Microsoft criticizes Brazilian government's position about free software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/17/10, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Found this on Slashdot, it linked to another article, which then > linked to the source of the English translation of the Brazilian > article: > > (Published on Folha de S?o Paulo, the most important journal of > Brazil; > http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/tec/798606-microsoft-critica-posicao-do-governo-brasileiro-sobre-o-software-livre.shtml) Yawn... A company convicted of abusing their position as a monopoly sees a possible threat and takes action to try to shut that possible threat down (thus preserving their abusive monster money making monopoly)... Microsoft would react the same way to any sort of an upsurge in Apple sales, or some mega-corporations offering money to support Linux, or... Nothing to see here folks, move along, move along, just nothing to see here... Colin > The president of Microsoft Latin America, Hern?n Rinc?n, sent word to > Brazilian government: "innovation software does not happen in the > hands of governments but the private sector." > > The statement came after he was questioned about the government's > position of supporting programs with open source like Linux. > > In a meeting with journalists from Latin America in Bellevue, Wash., > he said this morning: "Governments have to ask: what business is to > serve their citizens and develop software? Innovation is at private > sector. " > > According to Rincon, free programs require more work and investment > from the government to keep them running and updated - which does not > happen when companies take care of that for the government. > > The executive, however, said that the two models - open source and > closed - will continue to coexist. > > COMPETITION > > Rincon also needled competition betting on open standards and free of > charge, such as Google. "When you do not can compete, you are > declaring open. This masks incompetence. " > > The executive added: "When convenient, the companies say they are > open. They use it for your own benefit. " > > NUMBERS > > The executive also presented with numbers optimism about the region. > > He said six of the last seven years, the region grew - the exception > was 2008. And the technology sector had strong participation in it. > > In recent years, the technology sector in Latin America was, on > average, two to three percentage points above the region's growth. In > one year, for example, where regional GDP growth was 5%, the > technology of information increased from 7% to 8%. > > Brazil, said Rincon, took a leading role in this process. Microsoft > Latin America followed the growth. The executive said his division is > the fastest growing of all regional divisions. The company would be > three times larger in terms of turnover than it was seven years ago. > > He said 95% of computers run Windows in Latin America. Apple and Linux > had 1.3% from 2% to 3%. > > http://lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php?topic=10523.0 > > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 18 02:53:28 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 22:53:28 -0400 Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <8bda80f60c6ec96ea61237d628b7c102-Efp6R71wwccuCXBAd9n0Eg@public.gmane.org> References: <8bda80f60c6ec96ea61237d628b7c102@veriksrv.vnet> Message-ID: <4C9429A8.9040308@rogers.com> Anton Verevkin wrote: > By the way does anyone know where I can buy a set of provider-independent > IPv6 addresses for myself and what is the approx. price for that? I saw > that if you already owe your PI addresses, Hurricane Electric ipv6 > tunnel broker can do BGP with you over the tunnel. That could be a good > choice for multihoming - a BGP session with one larger ISP for the primary > path and a regular cheap ipv4 ISP with a tunnel to Hurricane Electric as a > backup. I just have no idea on how expensive it is. > > I got a /56 subnet or 2^72 addresses from gogonet.gogo6.com. You can also get a /48 subnet (2^80 addresses) from he.net. Both are free. You can use a 6in4 tunnel to get the IPv6 connection to you. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 18 05:29:07 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 01:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <8bda80f60c6ec96ea61237d628b7c102-Efp6R71wwccuCXBAd9n0Eg@public.gmane.org> References: <8bda80f60c6ec96ea61237d628b7c102@veriksrv.vnet> Message-ID: | From: Anton Verevkin | By the way does anyone know where I can buy a set of provider-independent | IPv6 addresses for myself and what is the approx. price for that? I think that these are only issued when you can make a case that you need them. The problem, as I understand it, is that "they" don't want routing tables to grow as badly as they would if there were too many PI subnets. The solution, implemented some time ago for IPv4, is what I call feudalism. Everybody gets IP addresses from "upstream", recursively. The top of this hierarchy is IANA; the level below is ARIN, RIPE, etc. There are hoops you have to jump through to be directly below this level. I would assume that IPv6 works the same way, but even more so because of the legacy address assignments. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 18 05:42:05 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 01:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Moving to IPv6 In-Reply-To: <5a0b6d07ebf2fc7bd289aaad49fea2a7-P5WJPa9AKEc1GQ1Ptb7lUw@public.gmane.org> References: <5a0b6d07ebf2fc7bd289aaad49fea2a7@verevkin.it> Message-ID: | From: Anton Verevkin | "D. Hugh Redelmeier" wrote: | > | In the IPv4 case they would give you one IP address each that you set on | | > | different NICs of your router and make some logic to NAT outgoing | > | connections to one IP or another. Reply packets get back through the | > | same connection where they originated. | > | > How do you do load balancing? I don't thing your last sentence is | > correct (unfortunately). | | By saying that packets return through the originating connection I meant | that if you have Bell IP 1.1.1.1 and Rogers IP 2.2.2.2 and you let the | packet | exit through the Bell link, your router makes NAT to the 1.1.1.1 address, | and | the reply packet will definitely get back through Bell as it will be going | to | IP 1.1.1.1. Sorry, I was thinking the reverse direction: the server being on the subnet and the clients on the outside. On a machine with two networks, with two IP addresses, return packets tend to use the single default route, so only one port gets used for outbound packets. It is possible to do better, but I don't know a simple good way. Reply packets ought to be crafted with source IP address taken from the inbound packet's IP address. If I remember correctly, this isn't the default in the Linux stack and hence each program needs explicit code to effecct this. I wrote such code for Pluto in FreeS/WAN. I don't know how many other servers do this. If the outbound packets have appropriate source IP addresses, it should not be too hard to get the routing to work. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 18 11:01:56 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:01:56 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [FSF] Celebrate Software Freedom Day with the LibrePlanet community In-Reply-To: <87mxrf532f.fsf-PTHjz4PrSCyIaVhVZpaXtZbXiWEWnGEmXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org> References: <87mxrf532f.fsf@myles.home.wjsullivan.net> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John Sullivan Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:05:12 -0700 Subject: [FSF] Celebrate Software Freedom Day with the LibrePlanet community To: info-fsf-dGWS0fDw8IM at public.gmane.org # Celebrate Software Freedom Day with the LibrePlanet community http://www.fsf.org/news/celebrate-software-freedom-day-with-the-libreplanet-community Saturday, September 18th is [Software Freedom Day][1], a worldwide celebration of user freedom. It's a great opportunity not only to introduce new people to free software, but to connect with other free software activists in your area or online. But what about the day after? How can we sustain these links? How can we make sure that people in your area who hear about free software can find a local community to connect with? This year the FSF will be directing people who visit fsf.org and gnu.org to connect with local activists via the community wiki LibrePlanet, at . It's a place where free software activists have been coming together to meet each other -- listing existing local groups and forming new ones, collaborating on activist projects, and working on materials to introduce new people to free software. So in addition to handing out CDs of [free GNU/Linux distributions][2] tomorrow with your local Software Freedom Day team, please join us in bringing some of this celebration and advocacy to the LibrePlanet wiki, to build a resource and meeting place that will last throughout the year. You can find lots of interesting projects on the wiki to contribute to. Just log in to the wiki with your existing FSF account, or create one at . Then, get started! * Search for a LibrePlanet group in your area at . If there's not one, get one started! Creating a permanent group is a great way to stay connected with the people you might meet tomorrow. Help us improve the directions for forming such local free software activist groups at . You can see an example of a current group at . * Use the handy badges we've created at to tell other people which free software programs, distributions, and activist issues you are most interested in -- putting the badges on your user page enables other people with the same interests to connect with you. Please create some new ones of your own as well! You can see an example of how they are used at . * If you don't see one already, [create a page][3] describing your favorite piece of free software, with some tips, or for the [free software issue][4] you are most interested in. * Feel lucky? Explore through . Thanks for all the work you do in support of software freedom, and good luck with your events tomorrow! [1]: http://www.softwarefreedomday.org [2]: http://www.gnu.org/distros [3]: http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Special:AddData/Software_Group [4]: http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Special:AddData/Issue_Group info-fsf mailing list info-fsf-dGWS0fDw8IM at public.gmane.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.fsf.org/mailman/listinfo/info-fsf -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 18 18:57:44 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:57:44 -0400 Subject: Developers Fork Mandriva Linux, Creating Mageia Message-ID: >From Slashdot: "As most of the Mandriva employees working on the Linux distribution were laid off due to the liquidation of Edge-IT (a subsidiary of Mandriva SA) and trust in the company has diminished, the development community -- including the core developers -- has decided to fork the project (http://www.mageia.org/). The new Linux distribution, named Mageia , will be managed by a not-for-profit organization that will be set up in the coming days. There are already many people that have decided to follow the fork, but the people behind it are still welcoming any help offered in the various tasks related to establishing the new distribution." -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 19 01:15:40 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:15:40 -0400 Subject: Developers Fork Mandriva Linux, Creating Mageia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > From Slashdot: > > "As most of the Mandriva employees working on the Linux distribution > were laid off due to the liquidation of Edge-IT (a subsidiary of > Mandriva SA) and trust in the company has diminished, the development > community -- including the core developers -- has decided to fork the > project (http://www.mageia.org/). The new Linux distribution, named > Mageia , will be managed by a not-for-profit organization that will be > set up in the coming days. There are already many people that have > decided to follow the fork, but the people behind it are still > welcoming any help offered in the various tasks related to > establishing the new distribution." > Wow, well, I give them points for perseverance and tenacity. Mandrake was my first distro, but I can't help feeling that they've run as far as they can with their vision. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 19 02:14:57 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:14:57 -0400 Subject: Developers Fork Mandriva Linux, Creating Mageia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > From Slashdot: > > "As most of the Mandriva employees working on the Linux distribution > were laid off due to the liquidation of Edge-IT (a subsidiary of > Mandriva SA) and trust in the company has diminished, the development > community -- including the core developers -- has decided to fork the > project (http://www.mageia.org/). The new Linux distribution, named > Mageia , will be managed by a not-for-profit organization that will be > set up in the coming days. There are already many people that have > decided to follow the fork, but the people behind it are still > welcoming any help offered in the various tasks related to > establishing the new distribution." I suspect that this has taken place ~5 years too late... The project had the supporting organization fall out from under it once already; for it to happen again does not look very good. This is the *serious* downside of tying systems to the vagaries of supporting corporations, which have a strange tendency to: a) Get bought by someone else (MySQL, Sun, Oracle, ...) b) Go out of business (Mandrake has done this twice now. Oh, no, they now call it Mandriva...) c) Decide that the project isn't in their shareholders' interests anymore. (RIP OpenSolaris) Mandriva mayn't be dead, but things are certainly smelling a bit funny... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 19 02:41:34 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:41:34 -0400 Subject: Developers Fork Mandriva Linux, Creating Mageia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 18 September 2010 22:14, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: >> From Slashdot: >> >> "As most of the Mandriva employees working on the Linux distribution >> were laid off due to the liquidation of Edge-IT (a subsidiary of >> Mandriva SA) and trust in the company has diminished, the development >> community -- including the core developers -- has decided to fork the >> project (http://www.mageia.org/). The new Linux distribution, named >> Mageia , will be managed by a not-for-profit organization that will be >> set up in the coming days. There are already many people that have >> decided to follow the fork, but the people behind it are still >> welcoming any help offered in the various tasks related to >> establishing the new distribution." > > I suspect that this has taken place ~5 years too late... > > The project had the supporting organization fall out from under it > once already; for it to happen again does not look very good. > > This is the *serious* downside of tying systems to the vagaries of > supporting corporations, which have a strange tendency to: > ?a) Get bought by someone else (MySQL, Sun, Oracle, ...) > ?b) Go out of business (Mandrake has done this twice now. ?Oh, no, > they now call it > ? ? Mandriva...) > ?c) Decide that the project isn't in their shareholders' interests > anymore. ?(RIP OpenSolaris) > > Mandriva mayn't be dead, but things are certainly smelling a bit funny... 'The new "ZombieLinux" distribution is looking for brains! To help right code of course ... (Nose plugs optional.)' -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 19 06:01:19 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 02:01:19 -0400 Subject: Native 32 and 64-bit linux Flash 10 Preview Release available Message-ID: <20100919060119.GA12277@waltdnes.org> Download site is http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html To find out where to install, go to "about:plugins" in Firefox, and see where your current version of libflashplayer.so is installed. In my case it's /opt/Adobe/flash-player/libflashplayer.so To install... * for 64-bit version download the file http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer_square_p1_64bit_linux_091510.tar.gz * for 32-bit version download the file http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer_square_p1_32bit_linux_091510.tar.gz * exit Firefox * mv your current copy of libflashplayer.so to another directory as a backup, in case the new one doesn't work for you * extract libflashplayer.so from the downloaded tar.gz into the directory which you removed libflashplayer.so from. * fire up Firefox, and away you go * note that when the release version comes out, you'll need to manually remove the Preview Release libflashplayer.so Good news ========= It works for me, so far. I've tried live365.com, both via my paid account and via the free (with commercials) option. It works. So does Youtube. Bad news ======== It's more painfull building up a collection of flv videos. The old version used to copy Youtube videos/songs/whatever into /tmp with a filename beginning with "Flash". It would get wiped each time you played a new video/whatever. But you could always move it out to another place before playing the next video. Rename the file to .flv and mplayer plays it beautifully. Nice way to build up a collection. The new version dumps it in the "Cache" directory of whatever Firefox profile I'm using. You have to cd to the "Cache" subdirectory, and execute... file * | grep Macro and you'll get a list of all "Macromedia Flash" files in the directory. One of them is the most recent Flash file you played on Youtube. You have to do some digging. Again, copy it to another file elsewhere to keep a copy. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 19 07:10:15 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 03:10:15 -0400 Subject: Hole in Linux kernel provides root rights Message-ID: Just found this, does anyone else know about this: "A vulnerability in the 32-bit compatibility mode of the current Linux kernel -- and previous versions -- for 64-bit systems can be exploited to escalate privileges. For instance, attackers can break into a system and exploit a hole in the web server to get complete root -- also known as superuser -- rights or permissions for a victim's system. "According to a report (http://sota.gen.nz/compat2/), the problem occurs because the 32-bit call emulation layer does not check whether the call is truly in the Syscall table. Ben Hawkes, who discovered the problem, says the vulnerability can be exploited to execute arbitrary code with kernel rights. An exploit (http://sota.gen.nz/compat2/robert_you_suck.c) -- direct download of source code -- is already in circulation; in a test conducted by The H's associates at heise Security on 64-bit Ubuntu 10.04, it opened a shell with root rights. "The kernel developers have remedied (http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git&a=commitdiff&h=c41d68a513c71e35a14f66d71782d27a79a81ea6) the flaw in the repository, and Linux distributors will probably (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=CVE-2010-3081) soon publish new kernels to close the hole. Until then, switching off 32-bit ELF support solves the problem if you can do without this function. For instructions, see: "Workaround for Ac1db1tch3z exploit" (http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2010/Sep/273). "Hawkes says the vulnerability was discovered (http://www.h-online.com/news/item/Vulnerability-in-Linux-kernel-allows-for-privilege-escalation-733720.html) and remedied back in 2007, but at some point in 2008 kernel developers apparently removed the patch, reintroducing the vulnerability. The older exploit apparently only needed slight modifications to work with the new hole." http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Hole-in-Linux-kernel-provides-root-rights-1081317.html -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 19 10:26:27 2010 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 06:26:27 -0400 Subject: Developers Fork Mandriva Linux, Creating Mageia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C95AD13.11772.4E8A04A@sciguy.vex.net> A slightly more detailed story appears on Mageia's own site: http://mageia.org/ On 18 Sep 2010 at 14:57, Michael Lauzon wrote: > >From Slashdot: > > "As most of the Mandriva employees working on the Linux distribution > were laid off due to the liquidation of Edge-IT (a subsidiary of > Mandriva SA) and trust in the company has diminished, the development > community -- including the core developers -- has decided to fork the > project (http://www.mageia.org/). The new Linux distribution, named > Mageia , will be managed by a not-for-profit organization that will be > set up in the coming days. There are already many people that have > decided to follow the fork, but the people behind it are still > welcoming any help offered in the various tasks related to > establishing the new distribution." > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5460 (20100918) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 19 11:07:29 2010 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 08:07:29 -0300 Subject: Developers Fork Mandriva Linux, Creating Mageia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's true. Really sad what happened to OpenSolaris project. Also, my first distro was Conectiva. Used to work with deb packages. Then, when Mandrake bought Conectiva, and name has change for Mandriva I stoped using it. Just didn't enjoy rpm packages at the time. But I'm already waiting for a beta iso from mageia to test it. ;] Unfortunately they'll loose many users and fans. The name Mandriva was carrying a great "weight". I hope mageia can hand with this with community support. cheers, --- - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org - KDE Brasil Member - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > > From Slashdot: > > > > "As most of the Mandriva employees working on the Linux distribution > > were laid off due to the liquidation of Edge-IT (a subsidiary of > > Mandriva SA) and trust in the company has diminished, the development > > community -- including the core developers -- has decided to fork the > > project (http://www.mageia.org/). The new Linux distribution, named > > Mageia , will be managed by a not-for-profit organization that will be > > set up in the coming days. There are already many people that have > > decided to follow the fork, but the people behind it are still > > welcoming any help offered in the various tasks related to > > establishing the new distribution." > > I suspect that this has taken place ~5 years too late... > > The project had the supporting organization fall out from under it > once already; for it to happen again does not look very good. > > This is the *serious* downside of tying systems to the vagaries of > supporting corporations, which have a strange tendency to: > a) Get bought by someone else (MySQL, Sun, Oracle, ...) > b) Go out of business (Mandrake has done this twice now. Oh, no, > they now call it > Mandriva...) > c) Decide that the project isn't in their shareholders' interests > anymore. (RIP OpenSolaris) > > Mandriva mayn't be dead, but things are certainly smelling a bit funny... > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 19 18:49:24 2010 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:49:24 -0400 Subject: ivtv initialization error, ir control of Rogers set-top box In-Reply-To: <4B17404D-2C41-4A27-8635-9E21BDAA080E-4zF/iBr8DYqEjziKL+yzSg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B17404D-2C41-4A27-8635-9E21BDAA080E@scs.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: I am getting really frustrated trying to set up my mythtv world. I had been using mythtv for several years with an *old* Fedora installation. Happy, but the machine was too big and too much of a power hog, so I've gone to a mini-itx Foxconn board with an Atom 410 on Debian Lenny. I still haven't got the X doing the 1920x1200 mode that my monitor wants, but it does other modes, so I'm moving on. I have mythtv installed, but when it boots up ivtv mostly doesn't initialize properly. The driver calls request_irq but gets back a -16 code, which means from the man page: EBUSY - There exists a registered handler for the requested interrupt. but /proc/interrupts only lists about 10 numbered interrupts, I don't know which one it wants, and I don't know if I can specify an alternate. ivtv is the last module loaded, so possibly if I could move it earlier in the boot sequence it would work better. I say *molstly* doesn't initialize properly, becase the *REALLY* weird thing is that it has initialized properly a couple of times! But I can't characterize when. I've googled extensively but there is nothing newer than about 2007. Also, I have digital (not HD) cable, so I'm going to connect the s- video to the PVR-350, so I need to find a card so I can tell the set- top box to change channels. Any guidance on where to find this (especially locally), and/or how to set it up is appreciated. Thanks ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 19 22:04:28 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ivtv initialization error, ir control of Rogers set-top box In-Reply-To: References: <4B17404D-2C41-4A27-8635-9E21BDAA080E@scs.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: | From: Dave Mason | I am getting really frustrated trying to set up my mythtv world. I find it can get to be a tarpit because so many finicky things have to work. | I had been using mythtv for several years with an *old* Fedora installation. | Happy, but the machine was too big and too much of a power hog, Me too. I've not got my new setup humming along well enough to replace my old one. | so I've gone | to a mini-itx Foxconn board with an Atom 410 on Debian Lenny. | | I still haven't got the X doing the 1920x1200 mode that my monitor wants, but | it does other modes, so I'm moving on. | | I have mythtv installed, but when it boots up ivtv mostly doesn't initialize | properly. The driver calls request_irq but gets back a -16 code, which means | from the man page: | EBUSY - There exists a registered handler for the requested interrupt. | but /proc/interrupts only lists about 10 numbered interrupts, I don't know | which one it wants, and I don't know if I can specify an alternate. ivtv is | the last module loaded, so possibly if I could move it earlier in the boot | sequence it would work better. I don't know my way around Debian. In particular, I don't know what to expect of stable vs testing vs unstable. I wonder if stable (lenny) is behind the times with X and with IVTV. Consider, as an experiment, Mythbuntu. There is a live version so you might not have to trash your Lenny. Even with current Mythbuntu I have to build a new set of modules to support my Hauppauge HVR-1600 cards. At least I think that I have to (it is possible that Ubuntu has updated the drivers since the last time I ran into trouble). | Also, I have digital (not HD) cable, so I'm going to connect the s-video to | the PVR-350, so I need to find a card so I can tell the set-top box to change | channels. Any guidance on where to find this (especially locally), and/or how | to set it up is appreciated. Are you hoping to use the PVR-350's video out? I have the vague impression that the drivers to do that have fallen into disprepair. Sad. My Foxconn box only has VGA out so it isn't really up to driving a TV set. And its fan is noisier than I'd like, especially for that application. Mine is a "Foxconn R20-D2 Intel Atom D510 Intel NM10 Intel GMA 3150 Barebone". My box only takes one Low Profile PCI card. Your box must be different since the PVR-350 appears to be full height. I was going to test video with my Foxconn in order to see whether it had a problem like yours. Well, cutting a long story short, one of the DIMMs seems to be ever-so-slightly bad. This (I think) caused rather odd behaviour when I booted the system. There are some other oddities, so I may not have gotten to the bottom of the problem. I think RHEL 6 was using the native Intel video driver, not VESA. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 19 23:30:52 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ivtv initialization error, ir control of Rogers set-top box In-Reply-To: References: <4B17404D-2C41-4A27-8635-9E21BDAA080E@scs.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: | From: D. Hugh Redelmeier | I was going to test video with my Foxconn in order to see whether it | had a problem like yours. Well, cutting a long story short, one of | the DIMMs seems to be ever-so-slightly bad. This (I think) caused | rather odd behaviour when I booted the system. There are some other | oddities, so I may not have gotten to the bottom of the problem. | | I think RHEL 6 was using the native Intel video driver, not VESA. I ran memtest86+ from the Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit install CD and in pass 0, test 5 it found 5 errors. On pass 1, nothing. So I rebooted RHEL 6.0 beta. It dropped int the text console because it felt that it couldn't automatically repair the filesystem. After fscking and rebooting, it seems to work. I wonder what's going on with this box. The "intel" xorg driver works. It chose the native resolution of my monitor, 1920x1200 @ 60Hz. In /var/log/Xorg.0.log, the driver says that the chipset is "Pineview G". (lspci says Intel Corporation N19 Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)) The X.Org X Server is 1.7.7 Release Date: 2010-05-04 The intel module version is 2.11.0 Dave: how does this compare with what you are running? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 20 15:26:24 2010 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:26:24 -0400 Subject: Cooking for Geeks author Jeff Potter visits linuxcaffe, Tuesday Sept 21 Message-ID: <4C977D20.6090602@linuxcaffe.ca> That's right, tomorrow ! http://linuxcaffe.ca/node/24445 We geeks are fascinated by how things work, and most of us eat, too. If you?re the innovative type who asks why just as often as what , my book, ?Cooking for Geeks: Real Science, Great Hacks, and Good Food? will show you a new way to approach the kitchen. Cooking for Geeks is more of a book about cooking than it is a cookbook. The book contains explanations of the science behind cooking, interviews with researchers and chefs, experiments for the reader to try, and recipes to tie it all together. (from the website, http://www.cookingforgeeks.com/ ) for all you wannabe Molecular Gastronomists, this is a chance to share ideas for the lab/kitchen, and pick up a copy of the O'Reilly Press - Cooking for Geeks book. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 20 16:17:11 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:17:11 -0400 Subject: Cooking for Geeks author Jeff Potter visits linuxcaffe, Tuesday Sept 21 In-Reply-To: <4C977D20.6090602-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4C977D20.6090602@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: I already have plans, but this looks like fun! On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:26, David J Patrick wrote: > That's right, tomorrow ! > > http://linuxcaffe.ca/node/24445 > We geeks are fascinated by how things work, and most of us eat, too. If > you?re the innovative type who asks why just as often as what , my book, > ?Cooking for Geeks: Real Science, Great Hacks, and Good Food? will show you > a new way to approach the kitchen. > Cooking for Geeks is more of a book about cooking than it is a cookbook. The > book contains explanations of the science behind cooking, interviews with > researchers and chefs, experiments for the reader to try, and recipes to tie > it all together. > (from the website, http://www.cookingforgeeks.com/ ) > > for all you wannabe Molecular Gastronomists, this is a chance to share ideas > for the lab/kitchen, and pick up a copy of the O'Reilly Press - Cooking for > Geeks book. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 20 16:22:25 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:22:25 -0400 Subject: Developers Fork Mandriva Linux, Creating Mageia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100920162225.GH8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:14:57PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > I suspect that this has taken place ~5 years too late... > > The project had the supporting organization fall out from under it > once already; for it to happen again does not look very good. > > This is the *serious* downside of tying systems to the vagaries of > supporting corporations, which have a strange tendency to: > a) Get bought by someone else (MySQL, Sun, Oracle, ...) > b) Go out of business (Mandrake has done this twice now. Oh, no, > they now call it > Mandriva...) Mandriva was the merger of Mandrake and Conectiva. > c) Decide that the project isn't in their shareholders' interests > anymore. (RIP OpenSolaris) > > Mandriva mayn't be dead, but things are certainly smelling a bit funny... I won't miss it. It was always the redhat like linux that was much worse than redhat. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 20 16:26:59 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:26:59 -0400 Subject: ivtv initialization error, ir control of Rogers set-top box In-Reply-To: References: <4B17404D-2C41-4A27-8635-9E21BDAA080E@scs.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20100920162659.GI8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 02:49:24PM -0400, Dave Mason wrote: > I am getting really frustrated trying to set up my mythtv world. > > I had been using mythtv for several years with an *old* Fedora > installation. Happy, but the machine was too big and too much of a > power hog, so I've gone to a mini-itx Foxconn board with an Atom 410 on > Debian Lenny. > > I still haven't got the X doing the 1920x1200 mode that my monitor > wants, but it does other modes, so I'm moving on. > > I have mythtv installed, but when it boots up ivtv mostly doesn't > initialize properly. The driver calls request_irq but gets back a -16 > code, which means from the man page: > EBUSY - There exists a registered handler for the requested interrupt. > but /proc/interrupts only lists about 10 numbered interrupts, I don't > know which one it wants, and I don't know if I can specify an alternate. > ivtv is the last module loaded, so possibly if I could move it earlier in > the boot sequence it would work better. > > I say *molstly* doesn't initialize properly, becase the *REALLY* weird > thing is that it has initialized properly a couple of times! But I > can't characterize when. > > I've googled extensively but there is nothing newer than about 2007. > > Also, I have digital (not HD) cable, so I'm going to connect the s-video > to the PVR-350, so I need to find a card so I can tell the set-top box to > change channels. Any guidance on where to find this (especially > locally), and/or how to set it up is appreciated. Not sure about ir blasters. There should be a number of supported choices out there, I just haven't ever needed one. I finally got around to connecting my HD-PVR to my SA4250HD yesterday, but of course still change channels by firewire (previously I recorded by firewire too, but got fed up with rogers randomly deciding I should no longer be able to record a channel). So far that works well, although there are occational audio glitches near the start of a recording, although only for a couple of seconds. Perhaps analog audio would work better, but when I have a fiber audio link I should be able to use it. I think the HD-PVR even has an ir blaster included, although as you can understand, I have no need for it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 20 16:29:22 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Newegg Shell Shocker mentions Open Source Message-ID: Twice a day, newegg.ca has a special they call a "SHELL SHOCKER" (egg, shell, get it?). The one at the moment is "Rosewill RNX-GX4 IEEE 802.3/3u, IEEE 802.11b/g Wireless-G Broadband Router / Open Source & DD-WRT Firmware support" for $25.99, including shipping. I've never before seen mainstream vendors mention open source in title of a product. This isn't a router I would buy. It is obsolete because it doesn't do N. It uses a Broadcom chip, so its openness is limited. Bewawa is selling an N router for only$5 more at the moment: Not yet working with OpenWRT but it looks as if people are trying Only supports the 2.4GHz band and the LAN is only 100M. More money will get you a still better choice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 20 16:43:16 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:43:16 -0400 Subject: Developers Fork Mandriva Linux, Creating Mageia In-Reply-To: <20100920162225.GH8580-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100920162225.GH8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:14:57PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: >> I suspect that this has taken place ~5 years too late... >> >> The project had the supporting organization fall out from under it >> once already; for it to happen again does not look very good. >> >> This is the *serious* downside of tying systems to the vagaries of >> supporting corporations, which have a strange tendency to: >> ?a) Get bought by someone else (MySQL, Sun, Oracle, ...) >> ?b) Go out of business (Mandrake has done this twice now. ?Oh, no, >> they now call it >> ? ? ?Mandriva...) > > Mandriva was the merger of Mandrake and Conectiva. > >> ?c) Decide that the project isn't in their shareholders' interests >> anymore. ?(RIP OpenSolaris) >> >> Mandriva mayn't be dead, but things are certainly smelling a bit funny... > > I won't miss it. ?It was always the redhat like linux that was much > worse than redhat. > I gotta say, all sentimentality aside, when I switched to Debian after about 6 years of Mandrake/iva, it was like, 'ooooh, so _that's_ what Linux is supposed to be like...' Mandriva made me feel like a know-it-all because I had to be to keep it running. What a mess. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 21 02:30:05 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:30:05 -0400 Subject: Reading XD cards from camera; how? Message-ID: <20100921023005.GA17668@waltdnes.org> OK, now that I have a Pentax K-X and generate 15-meg DNG files along with 5-meg jpegs each time I take a picture, I actually need a multi- gigabyte XD card . The one problem is that I can't seem to read it in any reader. The only saving grace is that the USB connector that plugs into the camera works, showing up as a bog-standard USB drive. But transferring and deleting photos eats up battery charge. I would much rather prefer to use something like an SD card reader. My question is, is this a hardware issue or a software issue. Do I need to get a new XD-compatable card reader, or is it a matter of updating the software on my computer? -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 21 02:31:35 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:31:35 -0400 Subject: Building Local Web Apps? Message-ID: <20100921023135.GA2537@yam.witteman.ca> Does anyone know a tool that can let me build web apps for local use - that run a webserver and a web front-end in one neat package, so I can use the browser to build UIs rather than other tools. Ideally, something that I can deploy across any platform. I'm taking a look at something called Titanium (http://www.appcelerator.com/products/titanium-desktop-application-development/) which looks like it might work out, but I'm not sure about it yet. I thought I'd pick the list's collective brain to see what you all think. Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 21 02:48:23 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:48:23 -0400 Subject: Reading XD cards from camera; how? In-Reply-To: <20100921023005.GA17668-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20100921023005.GA17668@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > ?My question is, is this a hardware issue or a software issue. ?Do I > need to get a new XD-compatable card reader, or is it a matter of > updating the software on my computer? I'm not quite sure what the "issue" is... Yep, copying files via the USB interface on the camera will chew some battery. It's also likely not as quick as copying from a direct XD card reader. Camera folk seem to think it's a pretty good idea to copy via card readers. A quick glance at Canada Computers only shows one XD reader; certainly not a ubiquitous technology like SD/MMC... For $8, there's not a *huge* mistake to be made... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 21 04:19:14 2010 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:19:14 -0700 Subject: Building Local Web Apps? In-Reply-To: <20100921023135.GA2537-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100921023135.GA2537@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: I've never used "Shoes", but it was designed for this purpose, I think. It's a Ruby package created by _why before he vanished from the internet. Might be worth a look. Ian On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:31 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Does anyone know a tool that can let me build web apps for local use - > that run a webserver and a web front-end in one neat package, so I can > use the browser to build UIs rather than other tools. ?Ideally, > something that I can deploy across any platform. > > I'm taking a look at something called Titanium > (http://www.appcelerator.com/products/titanium-desktop-application-development/) which looks like it might work out, but I'm not sure about it yet. ?I thought I'd pick the list's collective brain to see what you all think. ?Thanks. > -- > > yours, > > William > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFMmBkHHQtmiuz+KT8RAhV4AJ9pG2DuICi1k9B94tqBcQvwVSoccgCgpOmn > qqL6PrxrUZM67bRsOfN9/q8= > =z2gm > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 21 11:38:33 2010 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:38:33 -0400 Subject: Reading XD cards from camera; how? In-Reply-To: <20100921023005.GA17668-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20100921023005.GA17668@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4C989939.9060103@gmail.com> On 10-09-20 22:30 , Walter Dnes wrote: > > My question is, is this a hardware issue or a software issue. Do I > need to get a new XD-compatable card reader, or is it a matter of > updating the software on my computer? I'm a bit confused, Walt - the K-X takes SD and SDHC cards. xD-Picture Cards are really only used by some Fuji and Olympus cameras. Older SD readers won't read SDHC, and it's a hardware thing, so you'll need a new reader. Cheap is as good as expensive - my $10 no-name thing from Canada Computers works just as well as the sleek Sandisk Pro reader on my desk. The only card-related device I've ever seen that went from SD to SDHC compatible with a firmware update was the Sandisk Sansa running RockBox. I suspect that's more to do with initially limited hardware more than software magic, though. Stewart (and congrats on the camera. Pentax are one of the few that have kept their new cameras compatible with their older lenses, so you can get some great glass for cheap. The 50mm f/1.4 is particularly epic; it'll be a portrait lens on a K-X, manual focus and aperture, but you won't get a better picture taker until you're into the very high end Canon and Nikon lenses. I still occasionally use a Pentax MX from 1975, and it's a delight.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 21 14:52:02 2010 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:52:02 -0400 Subject: Reading XD cards from camera; how? In-Reply-To: <4C989939.9060103-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100921023005.GA17668@waltdnes.org> <4C989939.9060103@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 21 September 2010 07:38, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > The only card-related device I've ever seen that went from SD to SDHC > compatible with a firmware update was the Sandisk Sansa running RockBox. The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet (which is Linux based) initially only supported SD cards. A firmware update added support for SDHC cards. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 21 15:04:12 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:04:12 -0400 Subject: Reading XD cards from camera; how? In-Reply-To: <20100921023005.GA17668-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20100921023005.GA17668@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20100921150412.GJ8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:30:05PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > OK, now that I have a Pentax K-X and generate 15-meg DNG files along > with 5-meg jpegs each time I take a picture, I actually need a multi- > gigabyte XD card . The one problem is that I can't seem to read it > in any reader. The only saving grace is that the USB connector that > plugs into the camera works, showing up as a bog-standard USB drive. > But transferring and deleting photos eats up battery charge. I would > much rather prefer to use something like an SD card reader. > > My question is, is this a hardware issue or a software issue. Do I > need to get a new XD-compatable card reader, or is it a matter of > updating the software on my computer? Many older readers had size limits (some old SD readers were limited to 512MB, then 2GB eventually, before new SDHC ones came about that do even bigger). xC readers are pretty common. My Dell 2408WFP has an xD reader (and SD and MS and MMC and CF). A reader should be pretty cheap ($20 or so). At work we currently use the Sandisk ImageMate All-in-One (SDDR-189-A20), which claims to do xD, xD type M, xD type M+ and xD type H. It even has a slot for microSD and miniSD so it doesn't even need an adapter for those. Easy to find at Canada Computers, and probably other places. It looks a bit like a micro sized PS3 sitting on a silver stand. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 21 15:05:55 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:05:55 -0400 Subject: Reading XD cards from camera; how? In-Reply-To: <20100921023005.GA17668-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20100921023005.GA17668@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On 20 September 2010 22:30, Walter Dnes wrote: > ?OK, now that I have a Pentax K-X and generate 15-meg DNG files along > with 5-meg jpegs each time I take a picture, I actually need a multi- > gigabyte XD card . ?The one problem is that I can't seem to read it > in any reader. ?The only saving grace is that the USB connector that > plugs into the camera works, showing up as a bog-standard USB drive. > But transferring and deleting photos eats up battery charge. ?I would > much rather prefer to use something like an SD card reader. > > ?My question is, is this a hardware issue or a software issue. ?Do I > need to get a new XD-compatable card reader, or is it a matter of > updating the software on my computer? I recently bought a very low-end Olympus digital camera. It came with an xD card shell that takes micro-SD cards. So even Olympus has given up on the xD format. If the camera really takes xD (which does seem unlikely, it being a Pentax) you would be wise to get a similar card converter so you can use the much more common micro-SDHC format cards. The converters are actually hard to find - they come with cameras but aren't readily available for sale. But keep your eyes open. DP Review (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Pentax/pentax_kx.asp) seems to indicate that the camera already uses SD/SDHC, not xD. Better check into that. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 21 15:13:09 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:13:09 -0400 Subject: Native 32 and 64-bit linux Flash 10 Preview Release available In-Reply-To: <20100919060119.GA12277-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20100919060119.GA12277@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On 19 September 2010 02:01, Walter Dnes wrote: > ?Download site is http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html > To find out where to install, go to "about:plugins" in Firefox, and see > where your current version of libflashplayer.so is installed. ?In my > case it's /opt/Adobe/flash-player/libflashplayer.so > > ?To install... > > * for 64-bit version download the file http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer_square_p1_64bit_linux_091510.tar.gz > > * for 32-bit version download the file http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer_square_p1_32bit_linux_091510.tar.gz > > * exit Firefox > > * mv your current copy of libflashplayer.so to another directory as a > backup, in case the new one doesn't work for you > > * extract libflashplayer.so from the downloaded tar.gz into the > directory which you removed libflashplayer.so from. > > * fire up Firefox, and away you go > > * note that when the release version comes out, you'll need to manually > remove the Preview Release libflashplayer.so > > Good news > ========= > ?It works for me, so far. ?I've tried live365.com, both via my paid > account and via the free (with commercials) option. ?It works. ?So does > Youtube. > > Bad news > ======== > ?It's more painfull building up a collection of flv videos. ?The old > version used to copy Youtube videos/songs/whatever into /tmp with a > filename beginning with "Flash". ?It would get wiped each time you > played a new video/whatever. ?But you could always move it out to > another place before playing the next video. ?Rename the file to > .flv and mplayer plays it beautifully. ?Nice way to build up > a collection. > > The new version dumps it in the "Cache" directory of whatever Firefox > profile I'm using. ?You have to cd to the "Cache" subdirectory, and > execute... > > file * | grep Macro > > and you'll get a list of all "Macromedia Flash" files in the directory. > One of them is the most recent Flash file you played on Youtube. ?You > have to do some digging. ?Again, copy it to another file elsewhere to > keep a copy. I haven't tried it with this new version of the Flash player, but the Firefox "DownloadHelper" plug-in has been great for saving videos - easier even than "the way it used to be." :-) And I am using it on 64-bit (and Windows, and 32-bit ...). -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 21 15:37:36 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Native 32 and 64-bit linux Flash 10 Preview Release available In-Reply-To: <20100919060119.GA12277-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20100919060119.GA12277@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: | Subject: [TLUG]: Native 32 and 64-bit linux Flash 10 Preview Release available | Bad news | ======== The bad news is that this Flash is vulnerable with an already-exploited "zero-day" bug. This was announced last Monday (a week ago). They would released a new version yesterday but that might not apply to Preview Releases. Another reason that I feel smug about not running Flash. But I have to admit that there are a number of things that this cuts me off from. Like most restaurant sites -- why is that? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From web-d7rjRpVnz4HL3mmD008VJw at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 21 16:01:49 2010 From: web-d7rjRpVnz4HL3mmD008VJw at public.gmane.org (Eliot Frost) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:01:49 -0400 Subject: Native 32 and 64-bit linux Flash 10 Preview Release available In-Reply-To: References: <20100919060119.GA12277@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: I use FlashBlock, and I only allow Flash on sites I trust (YouTube is a pretty good bet for not having malware). It also blocks the Flash tracking "cookies" that sites such as Facebook use, which is an added bonus. Someday we'll be able to get along great without flash, but as long as I want to look at adorable kitties on YouTube, that day isn't here yet. Unless Youtube has deployed Ogg Theora for Video? Eliot On 21 September 2010 11:37, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | Subject: [TLUG]: Native 32 and 64-bit linux Flash 10 Preview Release > available > > | Bad news > | ======== > > The bad news is that this Flash is vulnerable with an > already-exploited "zero-day" bug. This was announced last Monday (a > week ago). They would released a new version yesterday but that might > not apply to Preview Releases. > > > > Another reason that I feel smug about not running Flash. But I have > to admit that there are a number of things that this cuts me off from. > Like most restaurant sites -- why is that? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 21 16:16:18 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:16:18 -0400 Subject: Native 32 and 64-bit linux Flash 10 Preview Release available In-Reply-To: References: <20100919060119.GA12277@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20100921121618.a8d1192a.tleslie@tcn.net> i set my youtube setting to html5 ages ago, works way better. Flash? whats dat? :) tl On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:01:49 -0400 Eliot Frost wrote: > I use FlashBlock, and I only allow Flash on sites I trust (YouTube is a > pretty good bet for not having malware). It also blocks the Flash tracking > "cookies" that sites such as Facebook use, which is an added bonus. Someday > we'll be able to get along great without flash, but as long as I want to > look at adorable kitties on YouTube, that day isn't here yet. Unless Youtube > has deployed Ogg Theora for Video? > > Eliot > > On 21 September 2010 11:37, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > > | Subject: [TLUG]: Native 32 and 64-bit linux Flash 10 Preview Release > > available > > > > | Bad news > > | ======== > > > > The bad news is that this Flash is vulnerable with an > > already-exploited "zero-day" bug. This was announced last Monday (a > > week ago). They would released a new version yesterday but that might > > not apply to Preview Releases. > > > > > > > > Another reason that I feel smug about not running Flash. But I have > > to admit that there are a number of things that this cuts me off from. > > Like most restaurant sites -- why is that? > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 21 16:52:45 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:52:45 -0400 Subject: old eprom programmer Message-ID: Hi, I'm looking for device programmer that can read old 2716/32/64 eproms. There is something on fleabay called a Willem EPROM programmer. Does anyone know anything about these ? This isn't for production I just want read some old proms. Dave Dave Cramer VP Software Development Visible Assets Inc. www.visibleassets.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 21 20:24:23 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: old eprom programmer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Dave Cramer | I'm looking for device programmer that can read old 2716/32/64 eproms. | There is something on fleabay called a Willem EPROM programmer. Does | anyone know anything about these ? Darn. My Altair's Bytesaver only supports 2708s. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 21 20:28:59 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:28:59 -0400 Subject: old eprom programmer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C99158B.2050602@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Dave Cramer > > | I'm looking for device programmer that can read old 2716/32/64 eproms. > | There is something on fleabay called a Willem EPROM programmer. Does > | anyone know anything about these ? > > Darn. My Altair's Bytesaver only supports 2708s. > Many years ago, I built a 2716 programmer on an 8085 CPU single board computer. It was possible to connect it to a terminal or PC via serial port. That SBC even had an S-100 slot! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 21 21:29:04 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:29:04 -0400 Subject: Reading XD cards from camera; how? In-Reply-To: References: <20100921023005.GA17668@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20100921212904.GK8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:05:55AM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > I recently bought a very low-end Olympus digital camera. It came with > an xD card shell that takes micro-SD cards. So even Olympus has given > up on the xD format. If the camera really takes xD (which does seem > unlikely, it being a Pentax) you would be wise to get a similar card > converter so you can use the much more common micro-SDHC format cards. > The converters are actually hard to find - they come with cameras but > aren't readily available for sale. But keep your eyes open. Of course fuji and olypus couldn't even agree on the xD format and hence used incompatible cards. No wonder that format is essentially dead. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 22 14:54:57 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:54:57 -0400 Subject: Native 32 and 64-bit linux Flash 10 Preview Release available In-Reply-To: <20100921121618.a8d1192a.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100919060119.GA12277@waltdnes.org> <20100921121618.a8d1192a.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: Ted On 21 September 2010 12:16, ted leslie wrote: > i set my youtube setting to html5 ages ago, works way better. Flash? whats dat? :) Wao, how do you do that? I am on firefox 3.6.8 I am following suit very soon > > tl > >> I use FlashBlock, and I only allow Flash on sites I trust (YouTube is a >> pretty good bet for not having malware). It also blocks the Flash tracking >> "cookies" that sites such as Facebook use, which is an added bonus. Someday >> we'll be able to get along great without flash, but as long as I want to >> look at adorable kitties on YouTube, that day isn't here yet. Unless Youtube >> has deployed Ogg Theora for Video? Really long for that day. HTML5 has its problem but I hope it will be a little lean than flash. I hate restarting stuff because a flash script just monopolized all the resources. >> > >> > Another reason that I feel smug about not running Flash. ?But I have >> > to admit that there are a number of things that this cuts me off from. >> > Like most restaurant sites -- why is that? I admit. I tend to frequent comedy central too despite having very negative feeling about flash. Ah, silverlight is however a step too far, so I just don't care about content under silverlight any more > > > -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 22 15:33:29 2010 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:33:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: old eprom programmer References: Message-ID: The Willem is a parallel port device, you need a main board parallel port to use it afair. The drivers do not work in all versions of Windows. Willem has a lot of support on the web, there are several versions and makers. Link: http://www.sivava.com/EPROM_Programmer_4.html Note that you need to check that the version you get EXACTLY supports your devices and your OS. There are lots of DIP switches to set, this is a 'dumb' parallel port driven programmer with no MCU on board. -- Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 22 16:34:18 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:34:18 -0400 Subject: old eprom programmer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmmm... There is one with a USB connector not a parallel port. I wonder how that works if it does not have a smart device on it. Dave Cramer VP Software Development Visible Assets Inc. www.visibleassets.com On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Peter wrote: > The Willem is a parallel port device, you need a main board parallel port to use > it afair. The drivers do not work in all versions of Windows. Willem has a lot > of support on the web, there are several versions and makers. > > Link: http://www.sivava.com/EPROM_Programmer_4.html > > Note that you need to check that the version you get EXACTLY supports your > devices and your OS. There are lots of DIP switches to set, this is a 'dumb' > parallel port driven programmer with no MCU on board. > > -- Peter > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 22 16:39:56 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:39:56 -0400 Subject: Canonical Demos Physical Awareness Prototype in Ubuntu Message-ID: Interesting.... "Prototype uses webcam to sense user activity and trigger appropriate reactions. "Over at Canonical's design blog, Christian Giordano introduced an early prototype for a user-aware framework that tracks a user's movements and responds by triggering different actions. "The blog details a few examples such as having the computer initiate full-screen mode when a user leans back in their chair. Canonical also toyed with a parallax technique that shifted the desktop's reference point depending on where the user was positioned in relationship to it. "It's one thing to try and describe these processes and another to demonstrate them. Check out the video: http://vimeo.com/14959854 "No word on when or even if this prototype will make it to a future version of Ubuntu, but with this, along with the uTouch framework Canonical released a few weeks ago, the company seems to be extremely interested in new ways to interact with a PC." http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Canonical-Demos-Physical-Awareness-Prototype-in-Ubuntu -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 22 16:46:28 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:46:28 -0400 Subject: old eprom programmer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100922164628.GL8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:34:18PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > Hmmm... > There is one with a USB connector not a parallel port. I wonder how > that works if it does not have a smart device on it. Standard USB to 1284 parallel port chip on board perhaps? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 22 16:48:29 2010 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:48:29 -0400 Subject: old eprom programmer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C9A335D.9070305@the-wire.com> On 10-09-22 12:34 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: > Hmmm... > There is one with a USB connector not a parallel port. I wonder how > that works if it does not have a smart device on it. Hard to say, but it kind of looks as though they're only using the USB connector for 5V power. Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 22 19:30:58 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:30:58 -0400 Subject: Canonical Demos Physical Awareness Prototype in Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 22 September 2010 12:39, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Interesting.... > > "Prototype uses webcam to sense user activity and trigger appropriate > reactions. > > "Over at Canonical's design blog, Christian Giordano introduced an > early prototype for a user-aware framework that tracks a user's > movements and responds by triggering different actions. > > "The blog details a few examples such as having the computer initiate > full-screen mode when a user leans back in their chair. Canonical also > toyed with a parallax technique that shifted the desktop's reference > point depending on where the user was positioned in relationship to > it. > > "It's one thing to try and describe these processes and another to > demonstrate them. Check out the video: http://vimeo.com/14959854 > > "No word on when or even if this prototype will make it to a future > version of Ubuntu, but with this, along with the uTouch framework > Canonical released a few weeks ago, the company seems to be extremely > interested in new ways to interact with a PC." > > > http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Canonical-Demos-Physical-Awareness-Prototype-in-Ubuntu I think this is interesting and may eventually lead to some very useful behaviours, but as a general rule I would still prefer to decide what my programs do myself. The first thing that came to mind when I saw this was the HHGG gag about having to sit absolutely still while using the TV because if you moved in the slightest it was interpreted as a desire to change the channel ... I can just imagine the new Clippy: "I see that you've just sneezed! We're going to interrupt your current editing session to open a google search for medical sites on how to cure the common cold!" -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 23 01:04:12 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:04:12 -0400 Subject: Reading XD cards from camera; how? In-Reply-To: <4C989939.9060103-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100921023005.GA17668@waltdnes.org> <4C989939.9060103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100923010412.GA25557@waltdnes.org> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 07:38:33AM -0400, Stewart C. Russell wrote > I'm a bit confused, Walt - the K-X takes SD and SDHC cards. Oops; SDHC it is. I hate when stuff like this happens. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 23 01:34:29 2010 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:34:29 -0400 Subject: Building Local Web Apps? In-Reply-To: <20100921023135.GA2537-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100921023135.GA2537@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:31 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Does anyone know a tool that can let me build web apps for local use - > that run a webserver and a web front-end in one neat package, so I can > use the browser to build UIs rather than other tools. ?Ideally, > something that I can deploy across any platform. > > I'm taking a look at something called Titanium > (http://www.appcelerator.com/products/titanium-desktop-application-development/) which looks like it might work out, but I'm not sure about it yet. ?I thought I'd pick the list's collective brain to see what you all think. ?Thanks. If you try Titanium, I'd love to hear your take on it. If you're using KDE, Marcel Gagn? wrote an article[1] for the July issue of Linux Pro Magazine. He goes through creating Plasma apps for KDE 4.4 using Javascript and an IDE called PlasMate. I've no idea what the most recent version is; the only package I found was the source tarball for an alpha version[2]. Another alternative might be a custom setup using Prism[3], a server plugin like POW[4] and a Javascript GUI library like Sencha (formerly "ExtJS")[5]; it'll probably take some work to get them all playing nice together however. Cheers, - Scott. [1] Article .pdf at [2] PlasMate sources - [3] Standalone & Firefox Plugin - [4] Plain Old Webserver - [5] An ExtJS GUI builder - -- ? Scott Elcomb ? http://www.psema4.com/?? @psema4 ? Member of the Pirate Party of Canada ? http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 23 09:42:24 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 05:42:24 -0400 Subject: Building Local Web Apps? In-Reply-To: References: <20100921023135.GA2537@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:31 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman > wrote: >> Does anyone know a tool that can let me build web apps for local use - >> that run a webserver and a web front-end in one neat package, so I can >> use the browser to build UIs rather than other tools. ?Ideally, >> something that I can deploy across any platform. >> >> I'm taking a look at something called Titanium >> (http://www.appcelerator.com/products/titanium-desktop-application-development/) which looks like it might work out, but I'm not sure about it yet. ?I thought I'd pick the list's collective brain to see what you all think. ?Thanks. > > If you try Titanium, I'd love to hear your take on it. > > If you're using KDE, Marcel Gagn? wrote an article[1] for the July > issue of Linux Pro Magazine. ?He goes through creating Plasma apps for > KDE 4.4 using Javascript and an IDE called PlasMate. ?I've no idea > what the most recent version is; the only package I found was the > source tarball for an alpha version[2]. > > Another alternative might be a custom setup using Prism[3], a server > plugin like POW[4] and a Javascript GUI library like Sencha (formerly > "ExtJS")[5]; it'll probably take some work to get them all playing > nice together however. > > Cheers, > - Scott. There's also gwt from google. Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 23 13:32:56 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:32:56 -0400 Subject: Reading XD cards from camera; how? In-Reply-To: <20100923010412.GA25557-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20100921023005.GA17668@waltdnes.org> <4C989939.9060103@gmail.com> <20100923010412.GA25557@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20100923133256.GM8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 09:04:12PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 07:38:33AM -0400, Stewart C. Russell wrote > > > I'm a bit confused, Walt - the K-X takes SD and SDHC cards. > > Oops; SDHC it is. I hate when stuff like this happens. Well many older readers (even a couple of years ago) are SD only. They don't do SDHC (different card type). A new reader will work. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 23 15:32:02 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:32:02 -0400 Subject: On security - SCADA sofware defect (Siemens' WinCC) Message-ID: Morning pal Just came to learn about this virus - Stuxnet. If you google more on it, look like work from a well financed organization which make it petty interesting. Now, what though is surprising is that changing the default password impact the operation of the whole system. How the f**k is that acceptable in current times. That would be like a good reason to automatically eliminate it from consideration during sourcing I would think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11388018 Really, am I over reacting a bit by stating an enterprise product should at least allow password reset? William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 23 18:54:08 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:54:08 -0400 Subject: Girl Gear Pink Computer Equipment.... Message-ID: I was look at the sale page for one of the local computer equipment clearance places (Tech Direct Canada) and I saw they were selling pink "Girl Gear" keyboards, mice and web cams... My first thought was, nobody in their right mind would buy the likes of a pink keyboard ... then I thought a bit, and now I am wondering: - Would any non-colour blind male buy the above for themselves? - Would any woman over the age of 12 who doesn't work in the beauty / cosmetics business buy the above for themselves? In other words, I can see a VERY tiny, tiny market for pink keyboards, mice, etc... right? Sort of strikes me as being like the 1955 Dodge La Femme (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_La_Femme), a 1950's take on a "women's" car (the results even by the standards of the era were ... ghastly)... Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 23 19:11:00 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:11:00 -0400 Subject: Girl Gear Pink Computer Equipment.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > In other words, I can see a VERY tiny, tiny market for pink keyboards, > mice, etc... right? Sort of strikes me as being like the 1955 Dodge La > Femme (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_La_Femme), a 1950's take on a > "women's" car (the results even by the standards of the era were ... > ghastly)... Elvis had a pink Cadillac... There's the indirect observation you may have made, that Mary Kay Cosmetics would issue top sales folk with pink Cadillacs. Of course, there's a world of difference between: a) A rather expensive automobile, in somewhat garish colour, issued to prominent, accomplished people. (That you and I don't care to buy cosmetics from them doesn't contradict that, in their own arena of endeavour, they're prominent and accomplished.) b) A $12 keyboard, that mostly demonstrates an interest in "tack." The only reason I imagine Tech Direct has them is that they could get them super-cheap from some supplier that discovered that they don't sell well. On the other hand, there's the "Hello, Kitty" AK47 :-). and My Little Carbine :-) -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 23 19:19:28 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:19:28 -0400 Subject: Girl Gear Pink Computer Equipment.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C9BA840.6060805@alteeve.com> On 10-09-23 02:54 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > I was look at the sale page for one of the local computer equipment > clearance places (Tech Direct Canada) and I saw they were selling pink > "Girl Gear" keyboards, mice and web cams... My first thought was, > nobody in their right mind would buy the likes of a pink keyboard ... > then I thought a bit, and now I am wondering: > > - Would any non-colour blind male buy the above for themselves? > - Would any woman over the age of 12 who doesn't work in the beauty / > cosmetics business buy the above for themselves? > > In other words, I can see a VERY tiny, tiny market for pink keyboards, > mice, etc... right? Sort of strikes me as being like the 1955 Dodge La > Femme (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_La_Femme), a 1950's take on a > "women's" car (the results even by the standards of the era were ... > ghastly)... > > > Colin. They're probably designed for hipsters. -- Digimer E-Mail: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 23 19:25:15 2010 From: instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (aaron d) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:25:15 -0400 Subject: Girl Gear Pink Computer Equipment.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think it's silly that pink is STILL a "girl" colour. I would love to own a pink filco majestouch, some would laugh im sure, but those same people probably use logitech garbage. My previous computer desk was pink (IKEA!). I wear pink shirts too. Pink rocks. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Colin McGregor > wrote: > > In other words, I can see a VERY tiny, tiny market for pink keyboards, > > mice, etc... right? Sort of strikes me as being like the 1955 Dodge La > > Femme (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_La_Femme), a 1950's take on a > > "women's" car (the results even by the standards of the era were ... > > ghastly)... > > Elvis had a pink Cadillac... > > > There's the indirect observation you may have made, that Mary Kay > Cosmetics would issue top sales folk with pink Cadillacs. Of course, > there's a world of difference between: > a) A rather expensive automobile, in somewhat garish colour, issued to > prominent, accomplished people. (That you and I don't care to buy > cosmetics from them doesn't contradict that, in their own arena of > endeavour, they're prominent and accomplished.) > b) A $12 keyboard, that mostly demonstrates an interest in "tack." > > The only reason I imagine Tech Direct has them is that they could get > them super-cheap from some supplier that discovered that they don't > sell well. > > On the other hand, there's the "Hello, Kitty" AK47 :-). > and My Little Carbine > > > :-) > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 23 19:40:13 2010 From: avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Volkov) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:40:13 -0400 Subject: Girl Gear Pink Computer Equipment.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1285270813.2571.21.camel@alex-laptop.vlk.int> On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 14:54 -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > I was look at the sale page for one of the local computer equipment > clearance places (Tech Direct Canada) and I saw they were selling pink > "Girl Gear" keyboards, mice and web cams... My first thought was, > nobody in their right mind would buy the likes of a pink keyboard ... > then I thought a bit, and now I am wondering: > > - Would any non-colour blind male buy the above for themselves? > - Would any woman over the age of 12 who doesn't work in the beauty / > cosmetics business buy the above for themselves? That line of logic assumes that everyone take themselves completely seriously. > > In other words, I can see a VERY tiny, tiny market for pink keyboards, > mice, etc... right? Sort of strikes me as being like the 1955 Dodge La > Femme (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_La_Femme), a 1950's take on a > "women's" car (the results even by the standards of the era were ... > ghastly)... > I don't think you can single out this car in particular for the following reasons: * Look at the idea of a car from the 50s -- it included such things as chrome grill and rocket tail lights, so 1950's take on a "man's" car wasn't that great either. * It wasn't really marketed, so we can't really know whether it was a failure of a marketing campaign or the idea itself. * It's a Dodge. Some degree of insanity is implied. Also a $10 keybord just doesn't display same commitment to cuteness as a car. Alex. > > Colin. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 23 20:33:06 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:33:06 -0400 Subject: Girl Gear Pink Computer Equipment.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C9BB982.1040408@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > I was look at the sale page for one of the local computer equipment > clearance places (Tech Direct Canada) and I saw they were selling pink > "Girl Gear" keyboards, mice and web cams... My first thought was, > nobody in their right mind would buy the likes of a pink keyboard ... > then I thought a bit, and now I am wondering: > > - Would any non-colour blind male buy the above for themselves? > - Would any woman over the age of 12 who doesn't work in the beauty / > cosmetics business buy the above for themselves? > > In other words, I can see a VERY tiny, tiny market for pink keyboards, > mice, etc... right? Sort of strikes me as being like the 1955 Dodge La > Femme (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_La_Femme), a 1950's take on a > "women's" car (the results even by the standards of the era were ... > ghastly)... > FWIW, a couple of years ago, my manager was looking for a pink notebook computer, because his daughter wanted one. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 23 21:48:27 2010 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:48:27 -0700 Subject: Girl Gear Pink Computer Equipment.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > I was look at the sale page for one of the local computer equipment > clearance places (Tech Direct Canada) and I saw they were selling pink > "Girl Gear" keyboards, mice and web cams... My first thought was, > nobody in their right mind would buy the likes of a pink keyboard ... > then I ?thought a bit, and now I am wondering: > > - Would any non-colour blind male buy the above for themselves? > - Would any woman over the age of 12 who doesn't work in the beauty / > cosmetics business buy the above for themselves? > > In other words, I can see a VERY tiny, tiny market for pink keyboards, > mice, etc... right? Sort of strikes me as being like the 1955 Dodge La > Femme (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_La_Femme), a 1950's take on a > "women's" car (the results even by the standards of the era were ... > ghastly)... There's a woman at my office who has decorated everything in pink. It's filled with Hello Kitty-branded stuff, Disney stuff, and a pink keyboard. She's a software engineer and well respected--not the bubblegum-blonde you might expect from the outward appearance of her office nor the painfully geeky type. I agree the market's probably small, but it's definitely non-zero in size. Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 23 19:09:11 2010 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:09:11 -0400 Subject: Girl Gear Pink Computer Equipment.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <074d5b4003e80a45f37a2d5245d641b1.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> The power of PINK: Mary Kay Ash founded her cosmetics company in 1963 with only $ 5, 000, nine independent beauty consultants and a 500 sq. ft. store in Dallas. Last week, Mary Kay Inc. concluded its annual sales seminar in Big D. They had a $ 2. 2 billion sales year.Since 1969, the company has awarded thousands of special Cadillacs to its top sales people. Apparently, years ago, Mary Kay ordered a Cadillac for herself and told the car dealership she wanted it the same color as her compact ? pink. Her vehicle was such a hit with her sales force, she began an incentive program for them with a pink Caddy as the big prize. Nowadays Mary Kay salespeople can earn three cars.Red Pontiac Vibes are entrylevel awards. Silver Pontiac Grand Prixs are the middle prize and the pink Cadillacs are the top awards. About 2, 000 women drive Cadillacs and 10, 000 more have received Pontiacs. A sales director and her team must sell at least $ 96, 000 in cosmetics in a sixmonth period for the director to qualify for the top award. Directors start out as salespeople and work their way up. > clearance places (Tech Direct Canada) and I saw they were selling pink > "Girl Gear" keyboards, mice and web cams... My first thought was, > nobody in their right mind would buy the likes of a pink keyboard ... > then I thought a bit, and now I am wondering: > > - Would any non-colour blind male buy the above for themselves? > - Would any woman over the age of 12 who doesn't work in the beauty / > cosmetics business buy the above for themselves? > > In other words, I can see a VERY tiny, tiny market for pink keyboards, > mice, etc... right? Sort of strikes me as being like the 1955 Dodge La > Femme (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_La_Femme), a 1950's take on a > "women's" car (the results even by the standards of the era were ... > ghastly)... > > > Colin. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 23 23:12:39 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:12:39 -0400 Subject: Girl Gear Pink Computer Equipment.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 14:54, Colin McGregor wrote: > I was look at the sale page for one of the local computer equipment > clearance places (Tech Direct Canada) and I saw they were selling pink > "Girl Gear" keyboards, mice and web cams... My first thought was, > nobody in their right mind would buy the likes of a pink keyboard ... > then I ?thought a bit, and now I am wondering: > > - Would any non-colour blind male buy the above for themselves? > - Would any woman over the age of 12 who doesn't work in the beauty / > cosmetics business buy the above for themselves? > > In other words, I can see a VERY tiny, tiny market for pink keyboards, > mice, etc... right? Sort of strikes me as being like the 1955 Dodge La > Femme (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_La_Femme), a 1950's take on a > "women's" car (the results even by the standards of the era were ... > ghastly)... I'm over 30 (18 over you age limit) and I absolutely love pink things. I think they look something between cute and tacky. I'm also crazy about Hello Kitty, this kind of characters too. I don't believe in age limits or dress codes. If you like it, have it. I'm looking for a pink case for my Macbook. Red is also a great colour. -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 00:31:08 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:31:08 -0400 Subject: Girl Gear Pink Computer Equipment.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100924003108.GN8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 02:54:08PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > I was look at the sale page for one of the local computer equipment > clearance places (Tech Direct Canada) and I saw they were selling pink > "Girl Gear" keyboards, mice and web cams... My first thought was, > nobody in their right mind would buy the likes of a pink keyboard ... > then I thought a bit, and now I am wondering: > > - Would any non-colour blind male buy the above for themselves? Does that matter? > - Would any woman over the age of 12 who doesn't work in the beauty / > cosmetics business buy the above for themselves? Yes. > In other words, I can see a VERY tiny, tiny market for pink keyboards, > mice, etc... right? Sort of strikes me as being like the 1955 Dodge La > Femme (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_La_Femme), a 1950's take on a > "women's" car (the results even by the standards of the era were ... > ghastly)... My wife (who doesn't think everything should be pink) actually did get an EeePC 1008HA in pink when her white one broke. I think to some extent it was because it was in stock, but I think she also thought at least it stood out among other laptops. I suspect if they had been avoidable in red or blue she would have got that instead. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 00:40:15 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:40:15 -0400 Subject: Girl Gear Pink Computer Equipment.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100924004015.GO8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 03:25:15PM -0400, aaron d wrote: > I think it's silly that pink is STILL a "girl" colour. Yeah you would think after 70 or so years things get get changed up a little. > I would love to own a pink filco majestouch, some would laugh im sure, but > those same people probably use logitech garbage. > > My previous computer desk was pink (IKEA!). > > I wear pink shirts too. I have done so at times too. Looks good. > Pink rocks. In the past pink was a manly colour. Until the 1940s, red and pink were associated with men (after all they are such bright and bold colours) and blue was associated with women (it is much more subdued after all) in western culture, after that it swapped and has stayed that way since. Before that there apparently wasn't really any idea of colours having anything to do with gender. After all do people want red or blue sports cars? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 01:30:26 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:30:26 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100827190038.GH2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100924013026.GA16229@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 03:00:38PM -0400, wrote: > So tomorrow (Saturday the 27th), NCIX is having a grand opening sale. > Might be worth checking out. > > I am sure most people that build their computers from parts have heard of > them. For everyone else they are a very very large computer parts > supplier from vancouver (where they have a relail store, in addition to > warehouses full of parts). > > They are opening an Ontario store in Markham at woodbine and highway 7 > (so conviniently 5 minutes from my house). I guess now that BC and > Ontario have HST, there is no longer a benefit in not having to charge > PST to out of province purchasers, and they might as well have a local > store for all their Ontario customers. > > Info here: http://source.ncix.com/eblast/eblast-in-store-firstmarkham/index.html > > They already have a warehouse in Markham, which happens to have a showroom > where people can see some items, but this is an actual store to go along > with the four stores in BC. > > I guess Canada Computers will get some competition now. And NCIX is at it again. They are opening another store at Midland and Finch (Scarborough?) this Saturday. Looks like similar deals as the first store. I imagine it will have a similarly insane number of customers in line. Some of the deals will be on the website too and at the Markham store as well, so perhaps that will be less insane. They will probably have more detailed deals listed sometime tomorrow. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 01:39:13 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:39:13 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100924013026.GA16229-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100924013026.GA16229@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: The worst thing about this is, I asked them when they were going to open a Toronto store, and they said never, and now they did, I didn't know, so I couldn't apply for a job, who knows, maybe I could've finally got a full- or part-time job here in Ontario, and not just a seasonal job like I usually get. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 02:14:19 2010 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:14:19 -0400 Subject: On security - SCADA sofware defect (Siemens' WinCC) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C9C097B.4000408@the-wire.com> On 10-09-23 11:32 AM, William Muriithi wrote: > Morning pal > > Just came to learn about this virus - Stuxnet. If you google more on > it, look like work from a well financed organization which make it > petty interesting. > > Now, what though is surprising is that changing the default password > impact the operation of the whole system. How the f**k is that > acceptable in current times. That would be like a good reason to > automatically eliminate it from consideration during sourcing I would > think. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11388018 > > Really, am I over reacting a bit by stating an enterprise product > should at least allow password reset? One theory is that it's targeting one specific system: Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 02:31:24 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:31:24 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100924013026.GA16229@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100924023124.GP8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:39:13PM -0400, Michael Lauzon wrote: > The worst thing about this is, I asked them when they were going to > open a Toronto store, and they said never, and now they did, I didn't > know, so I couldn't apply for a job, who knows, maybe I could've > finally got a full- or part-time job here in Ontario, and not just a > seasonal job like I usually get. Well this is the second store in 2 months. Maybe they are planing to do more. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 02:34:42 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:34:42 -0400 Subject: On security - SCADA sofware defect (Siemens' WinCC) In-Reply-To: <4C9C097B.4000408-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <4C9C097B.4000408@the-wire.com> Message-ID: <20100924023442.GQ8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:14:19PM -0400, Mel Wilson wrote: > On 10-09-23 11:32 AM, William Muriithi wrote: >> Morning pal >> >> Just came to learn about this virus - Stuxnet. If you google more on >> it, look like work from a well financed organization which make it >> petty interesting. >> >> Now, what though is surprising is that changing the default password >> impact the operation of the whole system. How the f**k is that >> acceptable in current times. That would be like a good reason to >> automatically eliminate it from consideration during sourcing I would >> think. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11388018 >> >> Really, am I over reacting a bit by stating an enterprise product >> should at least allow password reset? > > One theory is that it's targeting one specific system: > > It sounds to me like someone designed a system where a hardcoded "secret, no one will ever know what it is" password is used for devices to talk to each other, and the "real" passwords that users set are only used by humans to talk to the devices, and if you try changing the "secret" passwords, the devices can't talk to each other anymore. Any system where changing the passwords isn't part of normal setup before deployment and is in fact discouraged is clearly broken by design. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 03:22:45 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:22:45 -0400 Subject: Girl Gear Pink Computer Equipment.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Renata Rocha wrote: > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 14:54, Colin McGregor wrote: >> I was look at the sale page for one of the local computer equipment >> clearance places (Tech Direct Canada) and I saw they were selling pink >> "Girl Gear" keyboards, mice and web cams... My first thought was, >> nobody in their right mind would buy the likes of a pink keyboard ... >> then I ?thought a bit, and now I am wondering: >> >> - Would any non-colour blind male buy the above for themselves? >> - Would any woman over the age of 12 who doesn't work in the beauty / >> cosmetics business buy the above for themselves? >> >> In other words, I can see a VERY tiny, tiny market for pink keyboards, >> mice, etc... right? Sort of strikes me as being like the 1955 Dodge La >> Femme (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_La_Femme), a 1950's take on a >> "women's" car (the results even by the standards of the era were ... >> ghastly)... > > I'm over 30 (18 over you age limit) and I absolutely love pink things. > I think they look something between cute and tacky. I'm also crazy > about Hello Kitty, this kind of characters too. Well, I guess I underestimated the size of the market for pink products... :-) . Sorry... > I don't believe in age limits or dress codes. If you like it, have it. > > I'm looking for a pink case for my Macbook. Red is also a great colour. Well, if you are interested in a pink mouse and/or a pink web cam to go with the pink case I know where you can get them inexpensively :-) ... While I have issues with pink (maybe that is just me...), red works in SOME situations, like fire trucks, small red sports cars :-) , red brick homes, or red RCMP uniforms... Colin. > -- > Renata Rocha > http://renata.org > http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 03:53:52 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:53:52 -0700 Subject: Girl Gear Pink Computer Equipment.... In-Reply-To: References: <20100924004015.GO8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: I can still remember the days when my dad insisted his new shirt was "salmon", rather than "pink" Pink as a colour isn't too bad, it's that awful glaring "hot pink" that gets way overused... On 2010-09-23 5:40 PM, "Lennart Sorensen" wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 03:25:15PM -0400, aaron d wrote: > I think it's silly that pink is STILL a "... Yeah you would think after 70 or so years things get get changed up a little. > I would love to own a pink filco majestouch, some would laugh im sure, but > those same people pr... I have done so at times too. Looks good. > Pink rocks. In the past pink was a manly colour. Until the 1940s, red and pink were associated with men (after all they are such bright and bold colours) and blue was associated with women (it is much more subdued after all) in western culture, after that it swapped and has stayed that way since. Before that there apparently wasn't really any idea of colours having anything to do with gender. After all do people want red or blue sports cars? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 04:18:56 2010 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 00:18:56 -0400 Subject: Girl Gear Pink Computer Equipment.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C9C26B0.6070002@linuxcaffe.ca> On 10-09-23 02:54 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > - Would any non-colour blind male buy the above for themselves? are you including flamingly gay males ? > - Would any woman over the age of 12 who doesn't work in the beauty / > cosmetics business buy the above for themselves? I think there is a segment of our population, mostly of the female persuasion, who never outgrow Hello Kittyism, and for whom cute is essential. This is not a value judgment, just an observation. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 05:35:01 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 01:35:01 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100924023124.GP8580-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100924013026.GA16229@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100924023124.GP8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 22:31, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well this is the second store in 2 months. ?Maybe they are planing to > do more. > > -- > Len Sorensen The Markham location is useless to me, so it doesn't exist in my mind. If they were smart, they would've found a way to open a store in the heart of of the city, somewhere on what I call Silicon Alley (College St west of Spadina). -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 05:57:12 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:57:12 -0700 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100924013026.GA16229@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100924023124.GP8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Yes, right where they're competing directly with all the other stores at college and spadina. The current location seems smart enough to me, downtown has lots of computer stores already. On 2010-09-23 10:36 PM, "Michael Lauzon" wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 22:31, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well this is... The Markham location is useless to me, so it doesn't exist in my mind. If they were smart, they would've found a way to open a store in the heart of of the city, somewhere on what I call Silicon Alley (College St west of Spadina). -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 12:23:45 2010 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:23:45 -0400 Subject: Reading XD cards from camera; how? In-Reply-To: <20100923010412.GA25557-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20100921023005.GA17668@waltdnes.org> <4C989939.9060103@gmail.com> <20100923010412.GA25557@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4C9C9851.6000206@gmail.com> On 22/09/10 21:04, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 07:38:33AM -0400, Stewart C. Russell wrote > >> I'm a bit confused, Walt - the K-X takes SD and SDHC cards. > > Oops; SDHC it is. I hate when stuff like this happens. I picked up a MMC/MMC-RS/SD/SDHC card reader for $6 at factory direct about a couple of years ago. Older SD card readers don't know SDHC. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 12:24:03 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:24:03 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100924013026.GA16229@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4C9C9863.1060907@rogers.com> Michael Lauzon wrote: > The worst thing about this is, I asked them when they were going to > open a Toronto store, and they said never, and now they did, I didn't > know, so I couldn't apply for a job, who knows, maybe I could've > finally got a full- or part-time job here in Ontario, and not just a > seasonal job like I usually get. > > > But this new one is in Scarborough, not Toronto. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gordontc-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 12:34:01 2010 From: gordontc-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Gordon Chillcott) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:34:01 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100924013026.GA16229-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100924013026.GA16229@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1285331641.4725.0.camel@gnat.gordhome.local> On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 21:30 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 03:00:38PM -0400, wrote: > > So tomorrow (Saturday the 27th), NCIX is having a grand opening sale. > > Might be worth checking out. > > > > I am sure most people that build their computers from parts have heard of > > them. For everyone else they are a very very large computer parts > > supplier from vancouver (where they have a relail store, in addition to > > warehouses full of parts). > > > > They are opening an Ontario store in Markham at woodbine and highway 7 > > (so conviniently 5 minutes from my house). I guess now that BC and > > Ontario have HST, there is no longer a benefit in not having to charge > > PST to out of province purchasers, and they might as well have a local > > store for all their Ontario customers. > > > > Info here: http://source.ncix.com/eblast/eblast-in-store-firstmarkham/index.html > > > > They already have a warehouse in Markham, which happens to have a showroom > > where people can see some items, but this is an actual store to go along > > with the four stores in BC. > > > > I guess Canada Computers will get some competition now. > > And NCIX is at it again. They are opening another store at Midland > and Finch (Scarborough?) this Saturday. Looks like similar deals as > the first store. I imagine it will have a similarly insane number of > customers in line. Some of the deals will be on the website too and > at the Markham store as well, so perhaps that will be less insane. > They will probably have more detailed deals listed sometime tomorrow. > Less insane? At Midland and Finch? Oh-h-h it'll be insane, all right. You have to know the area. Gordon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 13:02:07 2010 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:02:07 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <1285331641.4725.0.camel-uJOd+7z+CzaU6o2RgC31msM6rOWSkUom@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100924013026.GA16229@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1285331641.4725.0.camel@gnat.gordhome.local> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Gordon Chillcott wrote: > > Less insane? ?At Midland and Finch? > > Oh-h-h it'll be insane, all right. ?You have to know the area. Seconding that. Midland & Finch is pretty busy. At least you can console yourself with some of the best ph? in town if you miss out on the line - the food court/restos at that corner are epic. Then there's the scenic and uneventful 57 bus and SRT journeys ... Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 13:17:54 2010 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:17:54 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100924023124.GP8580-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100924013026.GA16229@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100924023124.GP8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4C9CA502.9070006@totaltravelmarketing.com> On 9/23/2010 10:31 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:39:13PM -0400, Michael Lauzon wrote: >> The worst thing about this is, I asked them when they were going to >> open a Toronto store, and they said never, and now they did, I didn't >> know, so I couldn't apply for a job, who knows, maybe I could've >> finally got a full- or part-time job here in Ontario, and not just a >> seasonal job like I usually get. > > Well this is the second store in 2 months. Maybe they are planing to > do more. > Their market is consolidated on statitics, all of the people I know who ever bought some stuff, longer big or small when NCIX was not here yet, live in the suburbs or not close to the downtown area and have no desire to go to downtown and shop of the spadina area shops. I personally do not shop at the spadina area because the few bucks I would save with them most likely would get spent on parking/gas plus the hassle to deal with traffic, the people I know who have been customers of NCIX are okay with coming to these locations, no only because of their own location, but because their B.C. shops now also apply the same taxes that Ontario does, so shopping online with them is not optimal anymore and their free shipping does not make much sense if they can get it now here. just my 2 cents -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 15:40:28 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:40:28 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <4C9C9863.1060907-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100924013026.GA16229@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C9C9863.1060907@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100924154028.GR8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 08:24:03AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Michael Lauzon wrote: >> The worst thing about this is, I asked them when they were going to >> open a Toronto store, and they said never, and now they did, I didn't >> know, so I couldn't apply for a job, who knows, maybe I could've >> finally got a full- or part-time job here in Ontario, and not just a >> seasonal job like I usually get. >> > But this new one is in Scarborough, not Toronto. ;-) Well at least the first Ontario store was Markham, and hence not Toronto. This one is technically in Toronto, even if the city of Toronto does seem to neglect Scaborough a lot. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 15:43:00 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:43:00 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <1285331641.4725.0.camel-uJOd+7z+CzaU6o2RgC31msM6rOWSkUom@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100924013026.GA16229@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1285331641.4725.0.camel@gnat.gordhome.local> Message-ID: <20100924154300.GS8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 08:34:01AM -0400, Gordon Chillcott wrote: > Less insane? At Midland and Finch? > > Oh-h-h it'll be insane, all right. You have to know the area. Well perhaps it is a good location then. And only about 3km from the Pacific mall canada computers (which is _completely_ insane). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 24 16:39:44 2010 From: avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Volkov) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:39:44 -0400 Subject: libgtkpod & ipod nano gen 4 Message-ID: <1285346384.2554.35.camel@alex-laptop.vlk.int> Okay, Can the last generation ipod nano be synchronized with linux? After years of abuse and neglect my gen. 2 ipod nano has finally given up. Now I need a new mp3 player and I thought of getting a gen.4 ipod nano, but at some point it wasn't supported by amarok, or any other linux audio player; it seems that it works now, but has anyone got it actually working? Alex. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 02:07:00 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:07:00 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C9D5944.2000602@gmail.com> On 10-09-14 08:42 PM, Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar wrote: > Just received a update from an Netflix Affiliate program with this news ;) > > It just says Netflix will expand to Canada soon > > Best Regards > > Alexandre Alencar > http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ > http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ > COBIT, ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I > they are apparently here, i've been waiting a long time for this! i got an email for my 1 month free trial, unfortunately their website needs work. at one point i was getting redirected back to their us site even when i used the .ca domain. when i got that working i was told i am not in canada currently it now looks like their site is working much better -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 02:16:27 2010 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:16:27 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: <4C9D5944.2000602-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4C9D5944.2000602@gmail.com> Message-ID: We just signed up for it and so far it's been great. We've watched a movie and some TV episodes on one of our laptops (windows 7) and I'm pleased. We're looking at picking up either a Roku or a Western Digital Live TV to make streaming and controlling it much easier. -jason On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > On 10-09-14 08:42 PM, Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar wrote: > >> Just received a update from an Netflix Affiliate program with this news ;) >> >> It just says Netflix will expand to Canada soon >> >> Best Regards >> >> Alexandre Alencar >> http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ >> http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ >> COBIT, ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I >> >> they are apparently here, i've been waiting a long time for this! i got > an email for my 1 month free trial, unfortunately their website needs work. > at one point i was getting redirected back to their us site even when i used > the .ca domain. when i got that working i was told i am not in canada > > currently it now looks like their site is working much better > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 02:26:48 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:26:48 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: References: <4C9D5944.2000602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C9D5DE8.60104@rogers.com> Jason Shaw wrote: > We just signed up for it and so far it's been great. I'm waiting for a firmware update for my Bluray player, before I give it a try. It already plays YouTube and U.S. versions of the player currently receive Netflix and another service. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 02:54:45 2010 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:54:45 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: <4C9D5DE8.60104-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C9D5944.2000602@gmail.com> <4C9D5DE8.60104@rogers.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I just emailed WD to see when they plan to have a firmware update for the WD Live TV boxes to work in Canada. I really can't see it being too long before these changes are made as I doubt they are too difficult to implement. On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:26 PM, James Knott wrote: > Jason Shaw wrote: > >> We just signed up for it and so far it's been great. >> > I'm waiting for a firmware update for my Bluray player, before I give it a > try. It already plays YouTube and U.S. versions of the player currently > receive Netflix and another service. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 03:03:55 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:03:55 -0400 Subject: OT: The Fire Downtown Is In The Building Where I Live.... Message-ID: So, by now, everyone has probably heard about the fire downtown, well, I live in the building, of course TFD has stopped coming over the intercom to tell us to stay in our apartments, which is where I've been since the fire started. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 03:06:29 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:06:29 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: References: <4C9D5944.2000602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100924230629.279199a2.tleslie@tcn.net> i got all excited to , went to site, put in movies and series want/have seen, lost, spratacus, lie to me, house, startrek, BSG, rome, .. ..... zip! seems most recent stuff is 5 years old. I hope they put some content on it,as for 7-8$, its 7-8$ lost. Maybe they just havn't populated web site yet. I just got the impression it was pure scam. tl On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:16:27 -0400 Jason Shaw wrote: > We just signed up for it and so far it's been great. We've watched a movie > and some TV episodes on one of our laptops (windows 7) and I'm pleased. > We're looking at picking up either a Roku or a Western Digital Live TV to > make streaming and controlling it much easier. > > -jason > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > > > On 10-09-14 08:42 PM, Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar wrote: > > > >> Just received a update from an Netflix Affiliate program with this news ;) > >> > >> It just says Netflix will expand to Canada soon > >> > >> Best Regards > >> > >> Alexandre Alencar > >> http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ > >> http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ > >> COBIT, ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I > >> > >> they are apparently here, i've been waiting a long time for this! i got > > an email for my 1 month free trial, unfortunately their website needs work. > > at one point i was getting redirected back to their us site even when i used > > the .ca domain. when i got that working i was told i am not in canada > > > > currently it now looks like their site is working much better > > > > -- > > Kind Regards, > > Rajinder Yadav > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 03:10:39 2010 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:10:39 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: <20100924230629.279199a2.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <4C9D5944.2000602@gmail.com> <20100924230629.279199a2.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: It was the same thing in the US when streaming first hit, their selection was poor, but they are constantly adding content. Licensing, as we all know, is the real killer and will certainly slow things down in Canada, but I have faith that it will pick up soon. Plus, at $8 a month, if I watch 2 movies, I've made my money back. -jason On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:06 PM, ted leslie wrote: > i got all excited to , went to site, put in movies and series want/have > seen, > lost, spratacus, lie to me, house, startrek, BSG, rome, .. ..... zip! > seems most recent stuff is 5 years old. I hope they put some content on > it,as for 7-8$, its 7-8$ lost. > Maybe they just havn't populated web site yet. I just got the impression it > was pure scam. > > tl > > On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:16:27 -0400 > Jason Shaw wrote: > > > We just signed up for it and so far it's been great. We've watched a > movie > > and some TV episodes on one of our laptops (windows 7) and I'm pleased. > > We're looking at picking up either a Roku or a Western Digital Live TV > to > > make streaming and controlling it much easier. > > > > -jason > > > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Rajinder Yadav >wrote: > > > > > On 10-09-14 08:42 PM, Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar wrote: > > > > > >> Just received a update from an Netflix Affiliate program with this > news ;) > > >> > > >> It just says Netflix will expand to Canada soon > > >> > > >> Best Regards > > >> > > >> Alexandre Alencar > > >> http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ > > >> http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ > > >> COBIT, ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I > > >> > > >> they are apparently here, i've been waiting a long time for this! i > got > > > an email for my 1 month free trial, unfortunately their website needs > work. > > > at one point i was getting redirected back to their us site even when i > used > > > the .ca domain. when i got that working i was told i am not in canada > > > > > > currently it now looks like their site is working much better > > > > > > -- > > > Kind Regards, > > > Rajinder Yadav > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > > > -- > ted leslie > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 04:30:18 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 00:30:18 -0400 Subject: On security - SCADA sofware defect (Siemens' WinCC) In-Reply-To: <20100924023442.GQ8580-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4C9C097B.4000408@the-wire.com> <20100924023442.GQ8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:14:19PM -0400, Mel Wilson wrote: >> On 10-09-23 11:32 AM, William Muriithi wrote: >>> Morning pal >>> >>> Just came to learn about this virus - Stuxnet. ?If you google more on >>> it, look like work from a well financed organization which make it >>> petty interesting. >>> >>> Now, what though is surprising is that changing the default password >>> impact the operation of the whole system. ?How the f**k is that >>> acceptable in current times. ?That would be like a good reason to >>> automatically eliminate it from consideration during sourcing I would >>> think. >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet >>> >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11388018 >>> >>> Really, am I over reacting a bit by stating an enterprise product >>> should at least allow password reset? >> >> One theory is that it's targeting one specific system: >> >> > > It sounds to me like someone designed a system where a hardcoded "secret, > no one will ever know what it is" password is used for devices to talk > to each other, and the "real" passwords that users set are only used > by humans to talk to the devices, and if you try changing the "secret" > passwords, the devices can't talk to each other anymore. > > Any system where changing the passwords isn't part of normal setup before > deployment and is in fact discouraged is clearly broken by design. I've got a brother who works for Omron, one of the significant vendors of PLC hardware, and thru his purview of some of the competitive behaviour that takes place, there's an extra "stack" of complexity that makes this harder, I suppose to the point of perhaps being "inherently broken by design." The vendors are pretty notorious for being mighty proprietary, They may have some layer of "interoperable stuff," to satisfy some requirements, but they want you to buy into Their Stuff, so there's liable to be really cool interfaces intended to allure you via improved performance and improved functionality to use Omron-only, or Siemens-only, or Fanuc, or whomever's lineup. In a big, hairy, complex system like a nuclear reactor, it's not unlikely that there's enough subsystems that you're forced to buy into multiple of these vendors. Considerable risk of there being weird islands of different proprietaryness within the same overall system. And if there are lots of pieces talking to each other, any one component's password may have to get copied over to dozens of other components that legitimately need to speak to it. Now, you've got a significant "security information" management problem. Hundreds of devices, talking various protocols, not uniformly "TCP/IP everywhere," and if you set a different name or password for a particular component, propagating that to the diverse set of places where it needs to go is a non-trivial matter. On "24", they'd make up tech talk about "we're changing the authentication info and reconfiguring the network." Which isn't nonsensical. (And then talk nonsense about "I need a socket opened for this." I don't think they ever knew what a socket actually is...) That communications process might take minutes or more to work, and mightn't necessarily be of comfortable reliability. If it's a time-sensitive system, trouble could readily come up during those "minutes or more." With that as context, I can readily see process engineers, that aren't forcibly security wonks by interest, training or practice, not being terribly interested in securing this with highly-localized authentication data. It could cause them reliability heartburn on the average day. You don't rewrite your whole network's DNS configuration on the fly just because it's Tuesday; you're as likely to drop a big chunk of the network on the floor as you are to fix security holes. And I suspect that's something like the relevant analogy. Certainly, there's a grand problem here that there's a lot of not-very-secure infrastructure. I don't think it's as easily solved as "oh, just change some passwords." -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 04:30:23 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 00:30:23 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just signed up. It's awesome. Yet another reason I am so happy with my PS3 :-) On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar wrote: > Just received a update from an Netflix Affiliate program with this news ;) > It just says Netflix will expand to Canada soon > > Best Regards > Alexandre Alencar > http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ > http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ > COBIT, ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I > > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 05:23:26 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 01:23:26 -0400 Subject: On security - SCADA sofware defect (Siemens' WinCC) In-Reply-To: References: <4C9C097B.4000408@the-wire.com> <20100924023442.GQ8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100925052326.GT8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:30:18AM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > I've got a brother who works for Omron, one of the significant vendors > of PLC hardware, and thru his purview of some of the competitive > behaviour that takes place, there's an extra "stack" of complexity > that makes this harder, I suppose to the point of perhaps being > "inherently broken by design." > > The vendors are pretty notorious for being mighty proprietary, They > may have some layer of "interoperable stuff," to satisfy some > requirements, but they want you to buy into Their Stuff, so there's > liable to be really cool interfaces intended to allure you via > improved performance and improved functionality to use Omron-only, or > Siemens-only, or Fanuc, or whomever's lineup. > > In a big, hairy, complex system like a nuclear reactor, it's not > unlikely that there's enough subsystems that you're forced to buy into > multiple of these vendors. Considerable risk of there being weird > islands of different proprietaryness within the same overall system. > > And if there are lots of pieces talking to each other, any one > component's password may have to get copied over to dozens of other > components that legitimately need to speak to it. > > Now, you've got a significant "security information" management > problem. Hundreds of devices, talking various protocols, not > uniformly "TCP/IP everywhere," and if you set a different name or > password for a particular component, propagating that to the diverse > set of places where it needs to go is a non-trivial matter. > > On "24", they'd make up tech talk about "we're changing the > authentication info and reconfiguring the network." Which isn't > nonsensical. (And then talk nonsense about "I need a socket opened > for this." I don't think they ever knew what a socket actually is...) > > That communications process might take minutes or more to work, and > mightn't necessarily be of comfortable reliability. If it's a > time-sensitive system, trouble could readily come up during those > "minutes or more." > > With that as context, I can readily see process engineers, that aren't > forcibly security wonks by interest, training or practice, not being > terribly interested in securing this with highly-localized > authentication data. It could cause them reliability heartburn on the > average day. > > You don't rewrite your whole network's DNS configuration on the fly > just because it's Tuesday; you're as likely to drop a big chunk of the > network on the floor as you are to fix security holes. And I suspect > that's something like the relevant analogy. > > Certainly, there's a grand problem here that there's a lot of > not-very-secure infrastructure. I don't think it's as easily solved > as "oh, just change some passwords." My point was that they should never have installed anything with default passwords in the first place. Everything should require as part of deployment setting a non-default password. Apparently Siemens is telling people that they should always leave certain passwords as default. That's insane. That's not a password anymore, just a hardcoded value. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From web-d7rjRpVnz4HL3mmD008VJw at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 06:02:55 2010 From: web-d7rjRpVnz4HL3mmD008VJw at public.gmane.org (Eliot Frost) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 02:02:55 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: They still don't have a Linux client, so it's out for me. Plus my Uni actually has a weekly bandwidth cap, which is obnoxious. On 25 September 2010 00:30, Thomas Milne wrote: > Just signed up. It's awesome. Yet another reason I am so happy with my PS3 > :-) > > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar > wrote: > > Just received a update from an Netflix Affiliate program with this news > ;) > > It just says Netflix will expand to Canada soon > > > > Best Regards > > Alexandre Alencar > > http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ > > http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ > > COBIT, ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I > > > > > > > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 07:12:30 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 03:12:30 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Linux? Client? You just sign up on the web, then watch on your computer or TV. I don't see anything on their site about a 'client'. All I have here is Linux. Well, and my PS3. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Eliot Frost wrote: > They still don't have a Linux client, so it's out for me. Plus my Uni > actually has a weekly bandwidth cap, which is obnoxious. > > On 25 September 2010 00:30, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> >> Just signed up. It's awesome. Yet another reason I am so happy with my PS3 >> :-) >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar >> wrote: >> > Just received a update from an Netflix Affiliate program with this news >> > ;) >> > It just says Netflix will expand to Canada soon >> > >> > Best Regards >> > Alexandre Alencar >> > http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ >> > http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ >> > COBIT, ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> TBM >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 10:18:58 2010 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 06:18:58 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: <20100924230629.279199a2.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <4C9D5944.2000602@gmail.com> <20100924230629.279199a2.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <4C9DCC92.4010501@gmail.com> On 10-09-24 23:06 , ted leslie wrote: > i got all excited to , went to site, put in movies and series want/have seen, > lost, spratacus, lie to me, house, startrek, BSG, rome, .. ..... zip! Yeah, the range is pretty crap. Only two of the titles that are on my Zip.ca list are available. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From web-d7rjRpVnz4HL3mmD008VJw at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 14:07:34 2010 From: web-d7rjRpVnz4HL3mmD008VJw at public.gmane.org (Eliot Frost) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:07:34 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: <4C9DCC92.4010501-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4C9D5944.2000602@gmail.com> <20100924230629.279199a2.tleslie@tcn.net> <4C9DCC92.4010501@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, the Netflix streaming client is implemented in Silverlight. I've tried running it with Moonlight, and it's not even close to up to working. Plus you have to change your user agent to even /get/ to the page, if you try to watch under just Linux, it'll tell you your browser is unsupported. Both Mac OS and Windows work fine, commonly suggested internet work arounds tend to involve virtual machines and hacks like that. If you have seriously streamed a Netflix show using Linux, I may have to consider a subscription. Eliot On 25 September 2010 06:18, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 10-09-24 23:06 , ted leslie wrote: > > i got all excited to , went to site, put in movies and series want/have > seen, > > lost, spratacus, lie to me, house, startrek, BSG, rome, .. ..... zip! > > Yeah, the range is pretty crap. Only two of the titles that are on my > Zip.ca list are available. > > Stewart > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 14:19:47 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:19:47 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: <4C9DCC92.4010501-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4C9D5944.2000602@gmail.com> <20100924230629.279199a2.tleslie@tcn.net> <4C9DCC92.4010501@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 6:18 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 10-09-24 23:06 , ted leslie wrote: >> i got all excited to , went to site, put in movies and series want/have seen, >> lost, spratacus, lie to me, house, startrek, BSG, rome, .. ..... ?zip! > > Yeah, the range is pretty crap. Only two of the titles that are on my > Zip.ca list are available. > BSG (meh) is coming soon, as well as a slew of other NBC shows, just announced this week I think. It'll be awhile before I stop my illegitimate activities, that's for sure though. The selection on Pirate Bay and Eztv is still a lot better ;) The movies, though, there were quite a lot of gems I would like to see again. I could easily watch a couple of things a month, which makes it worth it at $8/ month in my book. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 16:02:23 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:02:23 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: References: <4C9D5944.2000602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C9E1D0F.3000106@gmail.com> On 10-09-24 10:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: > We just signed up for it and so far it's been great. We've watched a > movie and some TV episodes on one of our laptops (windows 7) and I'm > pleased. We're looking at picking up either a Roku or a Western Digital > Live TV to make streaming and controlling it much easier. > > -jason hi Jason, that's great to hear! i am thinking up signing up soon. i've got a wii and xbox360 so either will make a good media center to watch streaming video from netflix enjoyable. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 16:11:44 2010 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:11:44 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: <4C9E1D0F.3000106-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4C9D5944.2000602@gmail.com> <4C9E1D0F.3000106@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah, we've debated going for a gaming console, probably PS3 since it's also a blu-ray player, but we don't game at at all so it seems like a bit of a waste. If you sign up, let us know if it works on the Wii and/or 360 as I'm not sure if Netflix Canada will work natively or if there's an update for it or what. -jason On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > On 10-09-24 10:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: > >> We just signed up for it and so far it's been great. We've watched a >> movie and some TV episodes on one of our laptops (windows 7) and I'm >> pleased. We're looking at picking up either a Roku or a Western Digital >> Live TV to make streaming and controlling it much easier. >> >> -jason >> > > hi Jason, that's great to hear! i am thinking up signing up soon. i've got > a wii and xbox360 so either will make a good media center to watch streaming > video from netflix enjoyable. > > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 17:34:08 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:34:08 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: References: <4C9D5944.2000602@gmail.com> <4C9E1D0F.3000106@gmail.com> Message-ID: You could never play a single game and the PS3 would be totally worth it. Blu Ray player, streaming media player (from the web and from any media centers you might have), web browser, photo gallery, video chat (PSN is free), and who knows what else Sony has planned for the future. My wife _hates_ video games, and she loves the PS3. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: > Yeah, we've debated going for a gaming console, probably PS3 since it's also > a blu-ray player, but we don't game at at all so it seems like a bit of a > waste. > If you sign up, let us know if it works on the Wii and/or 360 as I'm not > sure if Netflix Canada will work natively or if there's an update for it or > what. > -jason > > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Rajinder Yadav > wrote: >> >> On 10-09-24 10:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>> >>> We just signed up for it and so far it's been great. We've watched a >>> movie and some TV episodes on one of our laptops (windows 7) and I'm >>> pleased. ?We're looking at picking up either a Roku or a Western Digital >>> Live TV to make streaming and controlling it much easier. >>> >>> -jason >> >> hi Jason, that's great to hear! i am thinking up signing up soon. i've got >> a wii and xbox360 so either will make a good media center to watch streaming >> video from netflix enjoyable. >> >> -- >> Kind Regards, >> Rajinder Yadav >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 17:55:51 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:55:51 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: References: <4C9D5944.2000602@gmail.com> <20100924230629.279199a2.tleslie@tcn.net> <4C9DCC92.4010501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100925135551.244d6634.tleslie@tcn.net> Moonlight will run the netflix fine, if netflix didn't use drm. netflix is probably forced to do that from the contracts with the suppliers. It may be possible, like with fluendo, that a license could be bought, but I doubt there is enough interest in it for fluendo to do that (if they even can). Seems they hardly got enough interest in doing the license deal to bring wmv, wma, etc to linux, let alone a drm version of it. If I recall correctly even realmedia doesn't have there drm solution for linux, nor does helix for that matter. Understandably so, for the most part, a huge majority of Linux users don't want drm on the OS, and are proud of this, thus simply not to have the option to receive the content (think RMS). That doesn't work out so great for the small minority that would shell out to have it. Now the fact that there are some linux devices that play drm (but cannot be used as general linux computers, thereby dove tailing into GPL2 vs GPL3 thoughts), seems to indicate it just all about licensing and often with respect to volume there in. I think I read that fluendo had to pay 50k$ plus just to start to offer wmv, etc, for linux (and other OS). I wouldn't be suprised if MS wanted 250k$ or more for a drm video license (and of course incremental after that), making it pretty hard for fluendo to want to bite, but to a linux integrate device model, with a pure hardware/software and subscription model, at times it probably works. tl On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:07:34 -0400 Eliot Frost wrote: > Well, the Netflix streaming client is implemented in Silverlight. I've tried > running it with Moonlight, and it's not even close to up to working. Plus > you have to change your user agent to even /get/ to the page, if you try to > watch under just Linux, it'll tell you your browser is unsupported. > > Both Mac OS and Windows work fine, commonly suggested internet work arounds > tend to involve virtual machines and hacks like that. If you have seriously > streamed a Netflix show using Linux, I may have to consider a subscription. > > Eliot > > On 25 September 2010 06:18, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > > On 10-09-24 23:06 , ted leslie wrote: > > > i got all excited to , went to site, put in movies and series want/have > > seen, > > > lost, spratacus, lie to me, house, startrek, BSG, rome, .. ..... zip! > > > > Yeah, the range is pretty crap. Only two of the titles that are on my > > Zip.ca list are available. > > > > Stewart > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 19:15:10 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:15:10 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: References: <4C9D5944.2000602@gmail.com> <4C9D5DE8.60104@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C9E4A3E.9070709@rogers.com> Jason Shaw wrote: > Yeah, I just emailed WD to see when they plan to have a firmware > update for the WD Live TV boxes to work in Canada. I really can't see > it being too long before these changes are made as I doubt they are > too difficult to implement. Especially since the U.S. version of my Bluray player already does it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 19:21:24 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:21:24 -0400 Subject: OT: The Fire Downtown Is In The Building Where I Live.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C9E4BB4.8040502@rogers.com> Michael Lauzon wrote: > So, by now, everyone has probably heard about the fire downtown, well, > I live in the building, of course TFD has stopped coming over the > intercom to tell us to stay in our apartments, which is where I've > been since the fire started. > > > Do you need any marshmellows? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 19:54:17 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:54:17 -0700 Subject: OT: The Fire Downtown Is In The Building Where I Live.... In-Reply-To: <4C9E4BB4.8040502-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C9E4BB4.8040502@rogers.com> Message-ID: Was that the fire that was on the news this morning as a 6-alarm blaze? On 2010-09-25 12:21 PM, "James Knott" wrote: Michael Lauzon wrote: > > So, by now, everyone has probably heard about the fire downtown, well, > I... Do you need any marshmellows? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 20:15:28 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:15:28 -0400 Subject: OT: The Fire Downtown Is In The Building Where I Live.... In-Reply-To: <4C9E4BB4.8040502-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C9E4BB4.8040502@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:21 PM, James Knott wrote: > Michael Lauzon wrote: >> >> So, by now, everyone has probably heard about the fire downtown, well, >> I live in the building, of course TFD has stopped coming over the >> intercom to tell us to stay in our apartments, which is where I've >> been since the fire started. >> >> >> > > Do you need any marshmellows? ?;-) Wow, I love a good joke, but jeez, the guy's place mighta just burned down, d00d. Yikes. You should write for Family Guy... -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 20:22:21 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:22:21 -0400 Subject: OT: The Fire Downtown Is In The Building Where I Live.... In-Reply-To: References: <4C9E4BB4.8040502@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C9E59FD.2090700@alteeve.com> On 10-09-25 04:15 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:21 PM, James Knott wrote: >> Michael Lauzon wrote: >>> >>> So, by now, everyone has probably heard about the fire downtown, well, >>> I live in the building, of course TFD has stopped coming over the >>> intercom to tell us to stay in our apartments, which is where I've >>> been since the fire started. >>> >>> >>> >> >> Do you need any marshmellows? ;-) > > Wow, I love a good joke, but jeez, the guy's place mighta just burned > down, d00d. Yikes. You should write for Family Guy... Ever been to an Irish wake? The darkest times are when humour is the *most* appropriate. :) -- Digimer E-Mail: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 20:23:36 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:23:36 -0400 Subject: OT: The Fire Downtown Is In The Building Where I Live.... In-Reply-To: References: <4C9E4BB4.8040502@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C9E5A48.1000209@rogers.com> Tyler Aviss wrote: > Was that the fire that was on the news this morning as a 6-alarm blaze? Yes. I first heard of it on the news yesterday evening. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 20:25:33 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:25:33 -0400 Subject: OT: The Fire Downtown Is In The Building Where I Live.... In-Reply-To: References: <4C9E4BB4.8040502@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C9E5ABD.9060702@rogers.com> Thomas Milne wrote: >> Do you need any marshmellows?;-) >> > Wow, I love a good joke, but jeez, the guy's place mighta just burned > down, d00d. Yikes. You should write for Family Guy... > Since he wasn't told to evacuate, I don't think he was in the fire area. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 20:34:31 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:34:31 -0700 Subject: OT: The Fire Downtown Is In The Building Where I Live.... In-Reply-To: <4C9E5ABD.9060702-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C9E4BB4.8040502@rogers.com> <4C9E5ABD.9060702@rogers.com> Message-ID: The first thing I thought of on reading that comment was this bash.orgquote... http://www.bash.org/?349567 On 2010-09-25 1:25 PM, "James Knott" wrote: Thomas Milne wrote: >> >> Do you need any marshmellows?;-) >> > > Wow, I love a good joke, but ... Since he wasn't told to evacuate, I don't think he was in the fire area. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 20:37:39 2010 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:37:39 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100924154300.GS8580-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100924013026.GA16229@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1285331641.4725.0.camel@gnat.gordhome.local> <20100924154300.GS8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4C9E5D93.4020809@gmail.com> Drove by on the way back from Sayal (I've got the Arduino bug, bad). Line was waaay out the door, and not moving in the few minutes I watched it. It's in the new plaza just south of Silver Star; north of Finch on Midland, west side. Anyone east of Yonge who's ever missed a Purolator delivery knows where Silver Star is. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 25 23:05:59 2010 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:05:59 -0400 Subject: Girl Gear Pink Computer Equipment.... In-Reply-To: <074d5b4003e80a45f37a2d5245d641b1.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <074d5b4003e80a45f37a2d5245d641b1.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: The power of pink indeed. On Friday I encountered one of the largest models of cement mixers available, a three-axle, 10-wheel monster, making its way across the Gardiner Expressway, proudly pink from its wheel rims to the top of its drum. The rotating drum exhorts the observer of this massive beast to support breast cancer research and awareness. If the devices were offered as part of an anti-breast-cancer campaign, yes I can see myself buying them - and proudly using them. On Thursday 23 September 2010 15:09:11 you wrote: > The power of PINK: > > Mary Kay Ash founded her cosmetics company in 1963 with only $ 5, 000, > nine independent beauty consultants and a 500 sq. ft. store in Dallas. > Last week, Mary Kay Inc. concluded its annual sales seminar in Big D. They > had a $ 2. 2 billion sales year.Since 1969, the company has awarded > thousands of special Cadillacs to its top sales people. Apparently, years > ago, Mary Kay ordered a Cadillac for herself and told the car dealership > she wanted it the same color as her compact ? pink. Her vehicle was such a > hit with her sales force, she began an incentive program for them with a > pink Caddy as the big prize. Nowadays Mary Kay salespeople can earn three > cars.Red Pontiac Vibes are entrylevel awards. Silver Pontiac Grand Prixs > are the middle prize and the pink Cadillacs are the top awards. About 2, > 000 women drive Cadillacs and 10, 000 more have received Pontiacs. A sales > director and her team must sell at least $ 96, 000 in cosmetics in a > sixmonth period for the director to qualify for the top award. Directors > start out as salespeople and work their way up. > > > clearance places (Tech Direct Canada) and I saw they were selling pink > > "Girl Gear" keyboards, mice and web cams... My first thought was, > > nobody in their right mind would buy the likes of a pink keyboard ... > > then I thought a bit, and now I am wondering: > > > > - Would any non-colour blind male buy the above for themselves? > > - Would any woman over the age of 12 who doesn't work in the beauty / > > cosmetics business buy the above for themselves? > > > > In other words, I can see a VERY tiny, tiny market for pink keyboards, > > mice, etc... right? Sort of strikes me as being like the 1955 Dodge La > > Femme (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_La_Femme), a 1950's take on a > > "women's" car (the results even by the standards of the era were ... > > ghastly)... > > > > > > Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 26 05:22:39 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 01:22:39 -0400 Subject: Reading XD cards from camera; how? In-Reply-To: <4C9C9851.6000206-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100921023005.GA17668@waltdnes.org> <4C989939.9060103@gmail.com> <20100923010412.GA25557@waltdnes.org> <4C9C9851.6000206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100926052239.GA4677@waltdnes.org> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 08:23:45AM -0400, Ivan Avery Frey wrote > I picked up a MMC/MMC-RS/SD/SDHC card reader for $6 at factory direct > about a couple of years ago. > > Older SD card readers don't know SDHC. I picked one up Saturday at the local Source. Yeah, it's more expensive, but it's walking distance from my place, near Dufferin and Steeles. The closest alternative is Canada Computers in North York. The round trip is 2 TTC tokens at $2.50 each, plus an extra hour of my time on and waiting for buses. It works. The system requirements are listed as... Windows: 98SE/NT/ME/2000/XP/VISTA/7 Mac: OS 10.0, Linux: OS 2.4 or higher Nice to see linux compatability explicitly listed on hardware. As a curiousity, the package comes with a dinky (4" ?) mini-CD with drivers for WIN 98SE and 2000. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 26 06:04:18 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 02:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GW-C] Re:Re: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <4C9E5D93.4020809-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100924013026.GA16229@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1285331641.4725.0.camel@gnat.gordhome.local> <20100924154300.GS8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C9E5D93.4020809@gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Stewart C. Russell | Drove by on the way back from Sayal (I've got the Arduino bug, bad). | Line was waaay out the door, and not moving in the few minutes I watched it. I went at about 15:00 and had to wait perhaps 10 minutes. I bought a disk drive and an SD card. Not as much as from the last opening. Plug: I was on the way back from a Camp X site tour, part of Open Doors Oshawa. Available Sunday as well: There's not much to see (all the buildings were bulldozed in the 1970s) but the talk was interesting and the walk on the stony beach was interesting (my pockets were filled with pebbles that amused me). Even though the Camp X Museum is listed in the Doors Open brochure, the owner has closed it. Not a happy story. I always meant to go but when I finally make it, it's gone. | It's in the new plaza just south of Silver Star; north of Finch on | Midland, west side. Anyone east of Yonge who's ever missed a Purolator | delivery knows where Silver Star is. I wish. I'm east of Yonge, south of York Mills. My missed shipments go to 11 Morse Street (near Carlaw and Lakeshore) (I just checked the nice note they left me two weeks ago (while we were home!)). I've found that you can ask them to try again or ask them to deliver to a closer Purolator outlet for pickup. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 26 14:32:02 2010 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:32:02 -0400 Subject: Girl Gear Pink Computer Equipment.... In-Reply-To: <074d5b4003e80a45f37a2d5245d641b1.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <074d5b4003e80a45f37a2d5245d641b1.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: Another "Power of PINK" moment: http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/2780-3/morrigan_michaela0677.jpg Yes, it's a real AR-15. Yes, young Morrigan knows how to use it. On Thursday 23 September 2010 15:09:11 phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > The power of PINK: > > Mary Kay Ash founded her cosmetics company in 1963 with only $ 5, 000, > nine independent beauty consultants and a 500 sq. ft. store in Dallas. > Last week, Mary Kay Inc. concluded its annual sales seminar in Big D. They > had a $ 2. 2 billion sales year.Since 1969, the company has awarded > thousands of special Cadillacs to its top sales people. Apparently, years > ago, Mary Kay ordered a Cadillac for herself and told the car dealership > she wanted it the same color as her compact ? pink. Her vehicle was such a > hit with her sales force, she began an incentive program for them with a > pink Caddy as the big prize. Nowadays Mary Kay salespeople can earn three > cars.Red Pontiac Vibes are entrylevel awards. Silver Pontiac Grand Prixs > are the middle prize and the pink Cadillacs are the top awards. About 2, > 000 women drive Cadillacs and 10, 000 more have received Pontiacs. A sales > director and her team must sell at least $ 96, 000 in cosmetics in a > sixmonth period for the director to qualify for the top award. Directors > start out as salespeople and work their way up. > > > clearance places (Tech Direct Canada) and I saw they were selling pink > > "Girl Gear" keyboards, mice and web cams... My first thought was, > > nobody in their right mind would buy the likes of a pink keyboard ... > > then I thought a bit, and now I am wondering: > > > > - Would any non-colour blind male buy the above for themselves? > > - Would any woman over the age of 12 who doesn't work in the beauty / > > cosmetics business buy the above for themselves? > > > > In other words, I can see a VERY tiny, tiny market for pink keyboards, > > mice, etc... right? Sort of strikes me as being like the 1955 Dodge La > > Femme (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_La_Femme), a 1950's take on a > > "women's" car (the results even by the standards of the era were ... > > ghastly)... > > > > > > Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 26 16:44:18 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 12:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: <201008251001.46812.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: | From: Stewart Russell | Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:57:06 -0400 | | On 26 August 2010 08:49, Dave Cramer wrote: | > So where do you buy one? Is it possible to get one in less than 4 weeks. | | If you really want one in a hurry, Canada Computers stocks the | PogoPlug. Some hacking will be required to turn it into your own linux | box: Pogoplug - PlugApps | Currently $99.99 after $10 discount NCIX's current sale has these for $69.99, a claimed saving of $70.00 over their regular price. Offer ends Wednesday or when the run out. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 26 17:58:45 2010 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:58:45 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: <201008251001.46812.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <4C9F89D5.7030700@gmail.com> On 10-09-26 12:44 , D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > NCIX's current sale has these for $69.99, a claimed saving of $70.00 > over their regular price. Offer ends Wednesday or when the run out. > Tempting - while the Pink Pogoplug has more USB connectors, it has half the RAM and quarter the flash of the Sheevaplug, and has no SD slot or JTAG serial comms. Probably not worth it for me, but YMMV. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 26 20:09:31 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:09:31 -0400 Subject: upstart and ubuntu and service start order Message-ID: Hi Guys, I'm using lucid ubuntu and I ran across a problem where samba would start before cups which causes my windows instances not to be able to see the shared printers. I'm looking for documentation on upstart on how to create service dependencies or choose a start order? 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If you sign up, let us know if it works on the Wii and/or 360 as I'm not sure if Netflix Canada will work natively or if there's an update for it or what. -jason On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > > On 10-09-24 10:1... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From web-d7rjRpVnz4HL3mmD008VJw at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 27 04:39:51 2010 From: web-d7rjRpVnz4HL3mmD008VJw at public.gmane.org (Eliot Frost) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 00:39:51 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: References: <4C9D5944.2000602@gmail.com> <4C9E1D0F.3000106@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm afraid I can. I think that's exceeding lame on Microsoft's part, but then again I'm posting on a Linux mailing list so that's pretty much par for the course :) It appears the PS3 doesn't require a disc in Canada, which is interesting because one was required in the states. Eliot On 26 September 2010 19:01, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I remember reading somewhere that netflix on the 360 needs an xbox-live > (paid) subscription. Can anyone confirm? > > On 2010-09-25 9:12 AM, "Jason Shaw" wrote: > > Yeah, we've debated going for a gaming console, probably PS3 since it's > also a blu-ray player, but we don't game at at all so it seems like a bit of > a waste. > > If you sign up, let us know if it works on the Wii and/or 360 as I'm not > sure if Netflix Canada will work natively or if there's an update for it or > what. > > -jason > > > > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Rajinder Yadav > wrote: > > > > On 10-09-24 10:1... > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 27 16:57:57 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:57:57 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: <201008251001.46812.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 12:44 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > ?Currently $99.99 after $10 discount That's pretty interesting... I'd rather run a "general purpose" distribution (e.g. - Debian) than a specialized one, as that allows the same tooling to work for both "real servers" and this, as a "itty bitty server." The traditional trouble I have always had with "embedded Linuxes" (as are probably *most* seen on NAS boxes, also seen on routers) is that you need to use peculiar procedures to manage them, and likely can't much back up the resulting configuration. If I can use a conventional distribution, use etckeeper to backup configuration , and have a miniscule box (that burglars mightn't even realize was there! ;-)), and have some useful services running, that seems like a fine thing. I'm not sure the set of services is large enough to warrant buying one yet. I'm inclined to give it another year :-). -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 27 17:53:41 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: <201008251001.46812.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: | From: Christopher Browne | On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 12:44 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > | > ?Currently $99.99 after $10 discount | | That's pretty interesting... Well, the NCIX sale price is more interesting :-) | I'd rather run a "general purpose" distribution (e.g. - Debian) than a | specialized one, as that allows the same tooling to work for both | "real servers" and this, as a "itty bitty server." Yeah. The first thing I would do with this thing is flash a different OS. Since that is fiddly, I haven't yet done this (or anything else) with the Dockstars I scooped up. Unfortunately, desktop distros probably won't fit: they don't like having so little RAM and they generally don't understand "headless". There are several open distros for these plug computers, as I understand it. - debian, perhaps. - openwrt - plugbox linux, a variant of Arch Linux(!) (This page explicitly mentions to Pogoplug and DockStar) - several more listed on plugcomputer.org's wiki. Some of the ports seem to appear underdeveloped The choices of plug computer seem to range from Dockstar ($30 from Future Shop, if you can find it) to OpenRD client (US$240 and up, as far as I can make out). OpenRD is heads and shoulders above the others, but the price is higher than I paid for my Acer Revos which are quite a bit more capable. | If I can use a conventional distribution, use etckeeper to backup | configuration , and have a | miniscule box (that burglars mightn't even realize was there! ;-)), | and have some useful services running, that seems like a fine thing. A close-enough-to-conventional distro looks possible but it might take a fair bit of fiddling to get there. The plugcomputer.org wiki looks like a marvelous resource. From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 27 23:28:33 2010 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:28:33 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: <201008251001.46812.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: Some people - admittedly, probably not very sane ones - are running full Ubuntu/Gnome setups off these things. USB hub, USB display, drive and keyboard. Supposedly works well. The limitation I found was compiling things quickly got old. With no swap and limited RAM, a whole bunch of things just wouldn't build. Creating swap on a USB drive helped, but it brought back memories of booting a MicroVAX from a TK-50 tape drive ... zzz. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From web-d7rjRpVnz4HL3mmD008VJw at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 27 23:53:20 2010 From: web-d7rjRpVnz4HL3mmD008VJw at public.gmane.org (Eliot Frost) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:53:20 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: <201008251001.46812.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: Perhaps something like Scratchbox could help? I've not used it much myself, but it was part of the Maemo SDK, to allow you to compile ARM applications on your desktop then move them over. >From the site: > Scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit designed to make embedded Linux > application development easier. It also provides a full set of tools to > integrate and cross-compile an entire Linux distribution. > DISCLAIMER: I have practically never complied anything that didn'thave a makefile. This is just speculation. Eliot On 27 September 2010 19:28, Stewart Russell wrote: > Some people - admittedly, probably not very sane ones - are running > full Ubuntu/Gnome setups off these things. USB hub, USB display, drive > and keyboard. Supposedly works well. > > The limitation I found was compiling things quickly got old. With no > swap and limited RAM, a whole bunch of things just wouldn't build. > Creating swap on a USB drive helped, but it brought back memories of > booting a MicroVAX from a TK-50 tape drive ... zzz. > > Stewart > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It also provides a full set of tools to >> integrate and cross-compile an entire Linux distribution. >> > > DISCLAIMER: I have practically never complied anything that didn'thave a > makefile. This is just speculation. > > Eliot > > > On 27 September 2010 19:28, Stewart Russell wrote: > >> Some people - admittedly, probably not very sane ones - are running >> full Ubuntu/Gnome setups off these things. USB hub, USB display, drive >> and keyboard. Supposedly works well. >> >> The limitation I found was compiling things quickly got old. With no >> swap and limited RAM, a whole bunch of things just wouldn't build. >> Creating swap on a USB drive helped, but it brought back memories of >> booting a MicroVAX from a TK-50 tape drive ... zzz. >> >> Stewart >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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It does everything that I'd otherwise have a server for: * remote access through ssh * serving music with Firefly (28000+ tracks) * generating and uploading my daily random podcast: http://scruss.com/autocast/ * (soon) monitoring my power usage via an Arduino-based logger. I've been running it for more than 18 months with no mishaps. I've got it with root on a 8GB SD card and an external 500GB drive for the music. cheers, Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 28 02:43:35 2010 From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:43:35 -0400 Subject: Shutdown of Xmarks Message-ID: This is some very sad news. Xmarks is a very valuable service. More details and alternatives (nothing cross-browser though): http://www.xmarks.com/about/shutdown I hope that out of the ashes of Xmarks will rise a new syncing service. Sadiq Saif http://asininetech.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 28 15:19:04 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 11:19:04 -0400 Subject: Shutdown of Xmarks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: But it's simply not necessary anymore. Both Chrome and Firefox have built-in synchronization now. - FZ On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 22:43, Sadiq Saif wrote: > This is some very sad news. Xmarks is a very valuable service. > More details and alternatives (nothing cross-browser though): > http://www.xmarks.com/about/shutdown > I hope that out of the ashes of Xmarks will rise a new syncing service. > Sadiq Saif > http://asininetech.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rafael.carneiro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 28 16:28:17 2010 From: rafael.carneiro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rafael Carneiro) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:28:17 -0400 Subject: Shutdown of Xmarks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, that's not quite true, as I use Xmarks to sync across multiple computers (home, work and so on). Very sad indeed, need to find a replacement. Rafael On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Fabio FZero wrote: > But it's simply not necessary anymore. Both Chrome and Firefox have > built-in synchronization now. > > - FZ > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 22:43, Sadiq Saif wrote: > > This is some very sad news. Xmarks is a very valuable service. > > More details and alternatives (nothing cross-browser though): > > http://www.xmarks.com/about/shutdown > > I hope that out of the ashes of Xmarks will rise a new syncing service. > > Sadiq Saif > > http://asininetech.com > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 28 16:30:15 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:30:15 -0400 Subject: Shutdown of Xmarks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, IT IS quite true. It's exactly what I'm doing with Chrome right now. It even syncs extensions and passwords if you want. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:28, Rafael Carneiro wrote: > Well, that's not quite true, as I use Xmarks to sync across multiple > computers (home, work and so on). > Very sad indeed, need to find a replacement. > > Rafael > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Fabio FZero wrote: >> >> But it's simply not necessary anymore. Both Chrome and Firefox have >> built-in synchronization now. >> >> - FZ >> >> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 22:43, Sadiq Saif wrote: >> > This is some very sad news. Xmarks is a very valuable service. >> > More details and alternatives (nothing cross-browser though): >> > http://www.xmarks.com/about/shutdown >> > I hope that out of the ashes of Xmarks will rise a new syncing service. >> > Sadiq Saif >> > http://asininetech.com >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 28 16:40:12 2010 From: instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (aaron d) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:40:12 -0400 Subject: Shutdown of Xmarks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unless the argument was intended to state: "Well, that's not quite true, as I use Xmarks to sync across multiple BROWSERS" then I'm with Fabio. I do the same with several computers all using chrome's sync feature (which requires a google account, who doesn't have one of those??). While this does not work for different browsers, I prefer not to use multiple browsers regardless of what computer I'm on. -aaron On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Fabio FZero wrote: > Sorry, IT IS quite true. It's exactly what I'm doing with Chrome right > now. It even syncs extensions and passwords if you want. > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:28, Rafael Carneiro > wrote: > > Well, that's not quite true, as I use Xmarks to sync across multiple > > computers (home, work and so on). > > Very sad indeed, need to find a replacement. > > > > Rafael > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Fabio FZero > wrote: > >> > >> But it's simply not necessary anymore. Both Chrome and Firefox have > >> built-in synchronization now. > >> > >> - FZ > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 22:43, Sadiq Saif > wrote: > >> > This is some very sad news. Xmarks is a very valuable service. > >> > More details and alternatives (nothing cross-browser though): > >> > http://www.xmarks.com/about/shutdown > >> > I hope that out of the ashes of Xmarks will rise a new syncing > service. > >> > Sadiq Saif > >> > http://asininetech.com > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rafael.carneiro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 28 16:41:22 2010 From: rafael.carneiro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rafael Carneiro) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:41:22 -0400 Subject: Shutdown of Xmarks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can I use it for cross-browser synchronization? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Fabio FZero wrote: > Sorry, IT IS quite true. It's exactly what I'm doing with Chrome right > now. It even syncs extensions and passwords if you want. > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:28, Rafael Carneiro > wrote: > > Well, that's not quite true, as I use Xmarks to sync across multiple > > computers (home, work and so on). > > Very sad indeed, need to find a replacement. > > > > Rafael > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Fabio FZero > wrote: > >> > >> But it's simply not necessary anymore. Both Chrome and Firefox have > >> built-in synchronization now. > >> > >> - FZ > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 22:43, Sadiq Saif > wrote: > >> > This is some very sad news. Xmarks is a very valuable service. > >> > More details and alternatives (nothing cross-browser though): > >> > http://www.xmarks.com/about/shutdown > >> > I hope that out of the ashes of Xmarks will rise a new syncing > service. > >> > Sadiq Saif > >> > http://asininetech.com > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rafael.carneiro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 28 16:54:18 2010 From: rafael.carneiro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rafael Carneiro) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:54:18 -0400 Subject: Shutdown of Xmarks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Point taken, should've mentined it. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:40 PM, aaron d wrote: > Unless the argument was intended to state: > > "Well, that's not quite true, as I use Xmarks to sync across multiple > BROWSERS" then I'm with Fabio. I do the same with several computers all > using chrome's sync feature (which requires a google account, who doesn't > have one of those??). > > While this does not work for different browsers, I prefer not to use > multiple browsers regardless of what computer I'm on. > > -aaron > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Fabio FZero wrote: > >> Sorry, IT IS quite true. It's exactly what I'm doing with Chrome right >> now. It even syncs extensions and passwords if you want. >> >> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:28, Rafael Carneiro >> wrote: >> > Well, that's not quite true, as I use Xmarks to sync across multiple >> > computers (home, work and so on). >> > Very sad indeed, need to find a replacement. >> > >> > Rafael >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Fabio FZero >> wrote: >> >> >> >> But it's simply not necessary anymore. Both Chrome and Firefox have >> >> built-in synchronization now. >> >> >> >> - FZ >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 22:43, Sadiq Saif >> wrote: >> >> > This is some very sad news. Xmarks is a very valuable service. >> >> > More details and alternatives (nothing cross-browser though): >> >> > http://www.xmarks.com/about/shutdown >> >> > I hope that out of the ashes of Xmarks will rise a new syncing >> service. >> >> > Sadiq Saif >> >> > http://asininetech.com >> >> -- >> >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > >> > >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 28 17:01:04 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:01:04 -0400 Subject: Shutdown of Xmarks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CA21F50.20304@dinamis.com> On 09/28/2010 12:55 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Rafael Carneiro > wrote: >> Can I use it for cross-browser synchronization? > > For that, I've tended to use http://delicious.com. After having been through the Magnolia.com debacle where they lost the bookmarks and meta-data of many people, I would never trust such data with only one service, not even delicious.com which appears to be stable. This is why I use diigo.com which, in addition to saving on Diigo, automatically saves to delicious.com and simpy.com. It also enables me to tweet pages that I save. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 28 17:06:28 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:06:28 -0400 Subject: LibreOffice Message-ID: I presume that people have started seeing the "stepping a little away from Oracle" by the OpenOffice.org folk... Notice that: 0. http://www.documentfoundation.org/ 1. LibreOffice is the new name. Necessary, because Oracle owns trademark on OpenOffice.org 2. Includes support from RHAT, Canonical, and frankly quite a few others 3. They're breaking with "the old" in one particularly important sense; OpenOffice.org was, as a 'branch of Sun,' accepting of proprietary bits. RMS is very pleased with this change: "I'm very pleased that the Document Foundation will not recommend nonfree add-ons, since they are the main freedom problem of the current OpenOffice.org. I hope that the LibreOffice developers and the Oracle-employed developers of OpenOffice.org will be able to cooperate on development of the body of the code." -- RMS 4. Folks at SPI are wondering how this affects their relationship with it, as there's an existing relationship. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 28 17:17:09 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:17:09 -0400 Subject: Shutdown of Xmarks In-Reply-To: <4CA21F50.20304-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4CA21F50.20304@dinamis.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:01 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 09/28/2010 12:55 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Rafael Carneiro >> ?wrote: >>> >>> Can I use it for cross-browser synchronization? >> >> For that, I've tended to use http://delicious.com. > > After having been through the Magnolia.com debacle where they lost the > bookmarks and meta-data of many people, I would never trust such data with > only one service, not even delicious.com which appears to be stable. This is > why I use diigo.com which, in addition to saving on Diigo, automatically > saves to delicious.com and simpy.com. It also enables me to tweet pages that > I save. I don't "trust them with it" - I trust them with A Copy Of it. If they went down tomorrow, I'd have a copy of My Stuff. But diigo.com sounds like an interesting "meta-extension." -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 28 18:10:16 2010 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:10:16 -0400 Subject: LibreOffice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, at least we wont have a piece of software that includes ".org" in its name. That's already good news. My only concern is confusion and splintering. I'm not sure if StarOffice still exists as a product, or if Oracle will continue OOo without any community there. I wish the new project well, but notice that it has inherited all the organizational cruft and top-heaviness from OOo. I mean, "Steering Committee Deputies"? Sheesh. - Evan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 28 18:35:54 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:35:54 -0400 Subject: Shutdown of Xmarks In-Reply-To: References: <4CA21F50.20304@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <4CA2358A.2030709@dinamis.com> On 09/28/2010 01:17 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > I don't "trust them with it" - I trust them with A Copy Of it. > > If they went down tomorrow, I'd have a copy of My Stuff. How do you do that? To me, the real value of these on-line services isn't that I can bookmark things. I can do that locally and I can sync bookmarks easily enough without needing them. The real value is in the tagging and how I can search my bookmarks, neither of which I've found a good way to do locally. That I can easily share my bookmarks with others is a bonus. Bookmarks without tags and the ability to search them aren't of much value to me. > But diigo.com sounds like an interesting "meta-extension." Diigo offers a bunch of other stuff too, none of which I use or care about. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 28 18:39:16 2010 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:39:16 -0400 Subject: Shutdown of Xmarks In-Reply-To: References: <4CA21F50.20304@dinamis.com> Message-ID: I'm not sold on Xmarks being easily replaced by delicious, especially since it was able to sync website logins and open tabs And I don't really care about making my bookmarks "social". What is really frustrating is the current state of tools for synchronising between desktops and mobile. Android phones have wonderful tools for syncing contacts, mail, even map locations -- but not bookmarks. What I'm hoping for is for someone to develop a cross-platform sync tool that uses either 1) Firefox sync (formerly "weave") 2) Google Bookmarks 3) Chrome sync (which uses a special format of Google Docs) I'm told that all of these have open APIs so that technically someone technically minded should be able to build an Android app (and plugin for desktop browsers) that enable the same cross-platform functionalty as Xmarks, Or... is there something already out there that does this? And why has Google created two incompatible bookmark sync systems? They're usually good about *avoiding* that kind of fragmentation. - Evan PS: Diigo looks very interesting, but not as an Xmarks replacement. Thanks for the pointer, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 28 19:11:53 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:11:53 -0400 Subject: Shutdown of Xmarks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, now it makes sense. :-) On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:54, Rafael Carneiro wrote: > Point taken, should've mentined it. > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:40 PM, aaron d wrote: >> >> Unless the argument was intended to state: >> "Well, that's not quite true, as I use Xmarks to sync across multiple >> BROWSERS" then I'm with Fabio. I do the same with several computers all >> using chrome's sync feature (which requires a google account, who doesn't >> have one of those??). >> While this does not work for different browsers, I prefer not to use >> multiple browsers regardless of what computer I'm on. >> -aaron >> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Fabio FZero >> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry, IT IS quite true. It's exactly what I'm doing with Chrome right >>> now. It even syncs extensions and passwords if you want. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:28, Rafael Carneiro >>> wrote: >>> > Well, that's not quite true, as I use Xmarks to sync across multiple >>> > computers (home, work and so on). >>> > Very sad indeed, need to find a replacement. >>> > >>> > Rafael >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Fabio FZero >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> But it's simply not necessary anymore. Both Chrome and Firefox have >>> >> built-in synchronization now. >>> >> >>> >> - FZ >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 22:43, Sadiq Saif >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > This is some very sad news. Xmarks is a very valuable service. >>> >> > More details and alternatives (nothing cross-browser though): >>> >> > http://www.xmarks.com/about/shutdown >>> >> > I hope that out of the ashes of Xmarks will rise a new syncing >>> >> > service. >>> >> > Sadiq Saif >>> >> > http://asininetech.com >>> >> -- >>> >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> > >>> > >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 28 19:15:10 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:15:10 -0400 Subject: Shutdown of Xmarks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I know a couple of people who just use Dropbox for this. How? Simple: move your browsers profile folders to Dropbox and symlink them to the place they should be. Works fine -- unless Dropbox is blocked in your office (as it is where I work - but Amazon S3 isn't, go figure!). - FZ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 28 19:20:50 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:20:50 -0400 Subject: Shutdown of Xmarks In-Reply-To: <4CA2358A.2030709-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4CA21F50.20304@dinamis.com> <4CA2358A.2030709@dinamis.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:35 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 09/28/2010 01:17 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: >> >> I don't "trust them with it" - I trust them with A Copy Of it. >> >> If they went down tomorrow, I'd have a copy of My Stuff. > > How do you do that? To me, the real value of these on-line services isn't > that I can bookmark things. I can do that locally and I can sync bookmarks > easily enough without needing them. The real value is in the tagging and how > I can search my bookmarks, neither of which I've found a good way to do > locally. That I can easily share my bookmarks with others is a bonus. > Bookmarks without tags and the ability to search them aren't of much value > to me. Hmm. Script I'm using looks like: http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/290 That's not where I got it tho. I occasionally use the resulting DB to generate DocBook, some of which I steal elsewhere :-) See attachment... Actually, I'm *not* backing that up. Probably I ought to. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 04:03:57 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 00:03:57 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> yes i have it. it works in my ubuntu. i think my ubuntu on portable is 9.10 (may be 10.4). nokia provides software for ubuntu i believe on the key. (if i remember correctly). I think there was a known glitch mounting it, but once mounted , hats off to nokia, it works well, as well as with windows, and they support linux directly. they use standard sim card, but the plan is different then blackberry, iphone, etc. I am actually going to try and tie a phone to it soon, but i fear it will be expensive. With stricly a data plan, i am on the 35$/mon flex, for 500mb, and 5$ / 500mb additional., they said i can use it as a phone, i even have a ph# for it, but never tried, and they said it would be pricey if i used it as a phone. I tried putting the sim into my nokia 9300i, but i didn't get a signal. I should try it on my b-berry. I think it should work on a smart phone in general, but maybe not on iphone, or b-berry. i use the same simm in my benq linux MID S9, but i only get edge connect with it, but that is fault of the benq. with air time being so expensive, it actually a blessing to have edge speeds limiting it. I need to find away to turn 3g off on the rocket stick and force it to edge, just to know i will not get killed with a bill, then up it to 3g only when i know i need it, and will then change it back. I get insane speeds off it , like 7MB/s. If you leave this thing on by accident, and its chugging through bandwidth, you can end up having to sell your house to pay the bill at end of month. get a good connection and you'll use your 500mb in 8 minutes, and then each 8 minutes, another 5$ :( their outside of NA data rates, i.e. in mexico, i think i calculated it would be about 300k$ CND a month if you used it a decent amount. First carrier that gives unlimited (all be it with fine print), and I am off to them (hopefully Rogers will do it first anyways). However, since unlimited is drying up in the US, maybe it will never happen. but I am very pleased with it, just not pleased with rogers data rates. Iphone and ipad users get 5gb for 25-35$ (my dad has one and has this plan), its a total scam they run giving WAY better data rates to apple product owners. tl On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:15:52 -0400 Andrew Malcolmson wrote: > I see this device has Linux support advertised but I'm not seeing any > reports on the Web of people getting (or even trying for that matter) > this to work > > Anyone here tried? ?Do these devices use standard phone SIM cards? > > Also, anyone tried connecting a Rocket stick with a SmartPhone data plan? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From web-d7rjRpVnz4HL3mmD008VJw at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 05:21:11 2010 From: web-d7rjRpVnz4HL3mmD008VJw at public.gmane.org (Eliot Frost) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 01:21:11 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: If you happen to be located in downtown Toronto, Mobilicty and Wind both offer unlimited plans. Mobilicty's all you can eat data is $40/month, but with their spotty coverage I'm not sure if it's worth it over your current provider. I have cell service with them, and I have to set my phone on the windowsill to get a decent signal in my room. YMMV, of course. Eliot On 29 September 2010 00:03, ted leslie wrote: > yes i have it. > it works in my ubuntu. i think my ubuntu on portable is 9.10 (may be 10.4). > nokia provides software for ubuntu i believe on the key. (if i remember > correctly). > I think there was a known glitch mounting it, but once mounted , hats off > to nokia, it works well, as well > as with windows, and they support linux directly. > > they use standard sim card, but the plan is different then blackberry, > iphone, etc. > I am actually going to try and tie a phone to it soon, but i fear it will > be expensive. > With stricly a data plan, i am on the 35$/mon flex, for 500mb, and 5$ / > 500mb additional., > they said i can use it as a phone, i even have a ph# for it, but never > tried, and they > said it would be pricey if i used it as a phone. > > I tried putting the sim into my nokia 9300i, but i didn't get a signal. I > should try it on my > b-berry. I think it should work on a smart phone in general, but maybe not > on iphone, or b-berry. > i use the same simm in my benq linux MID S9, but i only get edge connect > with it, but that is > fault of the benq. with air time being so expensive, it actually a blessing > to have edge speeds > limiting it. I need to find away to turn 3g off on the rocket stick and > force it to edge, just to > know i will not get killed with a bill, then up it to 3g only when i know i > need it, and will > then change it back. > > > I get insane speeds off it , like 7MB/s. If you leave this thing on by > accident, and its chugging through > bandwidth, you can end up having to sell your house to pay the bill at end > of month. > get a good connection and you'll use your 500mb in 8 minutes, and then each > 8 minutes, another 5$ :( > their outside of NA data rates, i.e. in mexico, i think i calculated it > would be about 300k$ CND a month > if you used it a decent amount. First carrier that gives unlimited (all be > it with fine print), and > I am off to them (hopefully Rogers will do it first anyways). However, > since unlimited is drying up > in the US, maybe it will never happen. > > but I am very pleased with it, just not pleased with rogers data rates. > Iphone and ipad users get > 5gb for 25-35$ (my dad has one and has this plan), its a total scam they > run giving WAY better > data rates to apple product owners. > > tl > > > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:15:52 -0400 > Andrew Malcolmson wrote: > > > I see this device has Linux support advertised but I'm not seeing any > > reports on the Web of people getting (or even trying for that matter) > > this to work > > > > Anyone here tried? Do these devices use standard phone SIM cards? > > > > Also, anyone tried connecting a Rocket stick with a SmartPhone data plan? > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 09:58:17 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:58:17 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:03 AM, ted leslie wrote: > yes i have it. > it works in my ubuntu. i think my ubuntu on portable is 9.10 (may be 10.4). > nokia provides software for ubuntu i believe on the key. (if i remember correctly). > I think there was a known glitch mounting it, but once mounted , hats off to nokia, it works well, as well > as with windows, and they support linux directly. > > they use standard sim card, but the plan is different then blackberry, iphone, etc. > I am actually going to try and tie a phone to it soon, but i fear it will be expensive. > With stricly a data plan, i am on the 35$/mon flex, for 500mb, and 5$ / 500mb additional., > they said i can use it as a phone, i even have a ph# for it, but never tried, and they > said it would be pricey if i used it as a phone. > > I tried putting the sim into my nokia 9300i, but i didn't get a signal. I should try it on my > b-berry. I think it should work on a smart phone in general, but maybe not on iphone, or b-berry. > i use the same simm in my benq linux MID S9, but i only get edge connect with it, but that is > fault of the benq. with air time being so expensive, it actually a blessing to have edge speeds > limiting it. I need to find away to turn 3g off on the rocket stick and force it to edge, just to > know i will not get killed with a bill, then up it to 3g only when i know i need it, and will > then change it back. > > > I get insane speeds off it , like 7MB/s. If you leave this thing on by accident, and its chugging through > bandwidth, you can end up having to sell your house to pay the bill at end of month. > get a good connection and you'll use your 500mb in 8 minutes, and then each 8 minutes, another 5$ :( > their outside of NA data rates, i.e. in mexico, i think i calculated it would be about 300k$ CND a month > if you used it a decent amount. First carrier that gives unlimited (all be it with fine print), and > I am off to them (hopefully Rogers will do it first anyways). However, since unlimited is drying up > in the US, maybe it will never happen. > > but I am very pleased with it, just not pleased with rogers data rates. Iphone and ipad users get > 5gb for 25-35$ (my dad has one and has this plan), its a total scam they run giving WAY better > data rates to apple product owners. > How well does it work in fringe areas ? Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 11:23:27 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 07:23:27 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <20100929072327.0a5013dd.tleslie@tcn.net> i live in west blue mountain, half way between collingwood and owensound. and it works well when cellphone signal is 60%. works well in a car driving around same area, so i would say works well in fringe area, as I am in one. however i don't know how well it works in an area where say I only get one bar out of 5 on a rogers cell. tl On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:58:17 -0400 Dave Cramer wrote: > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:03 AM, ted leslie wrote: > > yes i have it. > > it works in my ubuntu. i think my ubuntu on portable is 9.10 (may be 10.4). > > nokia provides software for ubuntu i believe on the key. (if i remember correctly). > > I think there was a known glitch mounting it, but once mounted , hats off to nokia, it works well, as well > > as with windows, and they support linux directly. > > > > they use standard sim card, but the plan is different then blackberry, iphone, etc. > > I am actually going to try and tie a phone to it soon, but i fear it will be expensive. > > With stricly a data plan, i am on the 35$/mon flex, for 500mb, and 5$ / 500mb additional., > > they said i can use it as a phone, i even have a ph# for it, but never tried, and they > > said it would be pricey if i used it as a phone. > > > > I tried putting the sim into my nokia 9300i, but i didn't get a signal. I should try it on my > > b-berry. I think it should work on a smart phone in general, but maybe not on iphone, or b-berry. > > i use the same simm in my benq linux MID S9, but i only get edge connect with it, but that is > > fault of the benq. with air time being so expensive, it actually a blessing to have edge speeds > > limiting it. I need to find away to turn 3g off on the rocket stick and force it to edge, just to > > know i will not get killed with a bill, then up it to 3g only when i know i need it, and will > > then change it back. > > > > > > I get insane speeds off it , like 7MB/s. If you leave this thing on by accident, and its chugging through > > bandwidth, you can end up having to sell your house to pay the bill at end of month. > > get a good connection and you'll use your 500mb in 8 minutes, and then each 8 minutes, another 5$ :( > > their outside of NA data rates, i.e. in mexico, i think i calculated it would be about 300k$ CND a month > > if you used it a decent amount. First carrier that gives unlimited (all be it with fine print), and > > I am off to them (hopefully Rogers will do it first anyways). However, since unlimited is drying up > > in the US, maybe it will never happen. > > > > but I am very pleased with it, just not pleased with rogers data rates. Iphone and ipad users get > > 5gb for 25-35$ (my dad has one and has this plan), its a total scam they run giving WAY better > > data rates to apple product owners. > > > > > How well does it work in fringe areas ? > > Dave > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 12:02:44 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:02:44 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <4CA32AE4.2040705@rogers.com> ted leslie wrote: > they use standard sim card, but the plan is different then blackberry, iphone, etc. > I am actually going to try and tie a phone to it soon, but i fear it will be expensive. > With stricly a data plan, i am on the 35$/mon flex, for 500mb, and 5$ / 500mb additional., > they said i can use it as a phone, i even have a ph# for it, but never tried, and they > said it would be pricey if i used it as a phone. > I go the other way. I tether my notebook to my Nexus One smart phone, via WiFi. I've hit 5.9 Mb/s that way. I pay $30/6 GB on Rogers (that deal is only available until tomorrow, so if you want it, act now), but have a separate plan for the phone use. It may be possible to do away with the phone plan and use a VoIP provider. > but I am very pleased with it, just not pleased with rogers data rates. Iphone and ipad users get > 5gb for 25-35$ (my dad has one and has this plan), its a total scam they run giving WAY better > data rates to apple product owners. I get similar with my Nexus One. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andmalc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 12:44:52 2010 From: andmalc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrew Malcolmson) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:44:52 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:03 AM, ted leslie wrote: > yes i have it. > it works in my ubuntu. i think my ubuntu on portable is 9.10 (may be 10.4). > nokia provides software for ubuntu i believe on the key. (if i remember correctly). > I think there was a known glitch mounting it, but once mounted , hats off to nokia, it works well, as well > as with windows, and they support linux directly. > > they use standard sim card, but the plan is different then blackberry, iphone, etc. > I am actually going to try and tie a phone to it soon, but i fear it will be expensive. > With stricly a data plan, i am on the 35$/mon flex, for 500mb, and 5$ / 500mb additional., > they said i can use it as a phone, i even have a ph# for it, but never tried, and they > said it would be pricey if i used it as a phone. > I tried putting the sim into my nokia 9300i, but i didn't get a signal. I should try it on my > b-berry. I think it should work on a smart phone in general, but maybe not on iphone, or b-berry. Thanks Ted and other posters. This sounds promising but it would be good to know if the same data plan can be used for both. I'm planning on pre-ordering the Galaxy S for availability later this Fall, but I want to grab the 6G/$30 plan before its unavailable after Thursday. So my idea is to get the plan on my Rogers cell phone account, buy a CS-18 off the Internet somewhere, and use the stick with the plan until I get the Galaxy. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 12:59:24 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:59:24 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Andrew Malcolmson wrote: > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:03 AM, ted leslie wrote: >> yes i have it. >> it works in my ubuntu. i think my ubuntu on portable is 9.10 (may be 10.4). >> nokia provides software for ubuntu i believe on the key. (if i remember correctly). >> I think there was a known glitch mounting it, but once mounted , hats off to nokia, it works well, as well >> as with windows, and they support linux directly. >> >> they use standard sim card, but the plan is different then blackberry, iphone, etc. >> I am actually going to try and tie a phone to it soon, but i fear it will be expensive. >> With stricly a data plan, i am on the 35$/mon flex, for 500mb, and 5$ / 500mb additional., >> they said i can use it as a phone, i even have a ph# for it, but never tried, and they >> said it would be pricey if i used it as a phone. >> I tried putting the sim into my nokia 9300i, but i didn't get a signal. I should try it on my >> b-berry. I think it should work on a smart phone in general, but maybe not on iphone, or b-berry. > > Thanks Ted and other posters. > > This sounds promising but it would be good to know if the same data > plan can be used for both. > > I'm planning on pre-ordering the Galaxy S for availability later this > Fall, but I want to grab the 6G/$30 plan before its unavailable after > Thursday. ?So my idea is to get the plan on my Rogers cell phone > account, buy a CS-18 off the Internet somewhere, and use the stick > with the plan until I get the Galaxy. > -- Did everyone read the fine print ? $0.50 per MB for the first 60MB after the 6G then 3 cents a MB so that first 60MB after the 6G will be an extra 30 bucks. Not sure what I think about that. Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 13:57:39 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:57:39 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: > > Did everyone read the fine print ? > > $0.50 per MB for the first 60MB after the 6G then 3 cents a MB so that > first 60MB after the 6G will be an extra 30 bucks. > > Not sure what I think about that. > Also only available on a 3 year contract. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 14:07:08 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:07:08 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <4CA3480C.1050203@rogers.com> Dave Cramer wrote: > Did everyone read the fine print ? > > $0.50 per MB for the first 60MB after the 6G then 3 cents a MB so that > first 60MB after the 6G will be an extra 30 bucks. > > Not sure what I think about that. > Well, 6 GB is more that I often use on my cable modem, so I don't know that will be a problem. However, that price escalation does seem rather punitive. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 14:14:25 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:14:25 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: <4CA3480C.1050203-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> <4CA3480C.1050203@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:07 AM, James Knott wrote: > Dave Cramer wrote: >> >> Did everyone read the fine print ? >> >> $0.50 per MB for the first 60MB after the 6G then 3 cents a MB so that >> first 60MB after the 6G will be an extra 30 bucks. >> >> Not sure what I think about that. >> > > Well, 6 GB is more that I often use on my cable modem, so I don't know that > will be a problem. ?However, that price escalation does seem rather > punitive. Also just found out their website does not work for my phone. They use the IMEI number as a key, I have a Nexus 1 which their site does not recognize. So as a result I cannot see my plan or update it on the web. Technology is such a wonderful thing. Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 14:26:39 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:26:39 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> <4CA3480C.1050203@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4CA34C9F.4030500@rogers.com> Dave Cramer wrote: > Also just found out their website does not work for my phone. They use > the IMEI number as a key, I have a Nexus 1 which their site does not > recognize. So as a result I cannot see my plan or update it on the > web. > > I also have a Nexus One and that site works fine for me. I have tried it via both WiFi and 3G. No problem at all. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 14:44:08 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:44:08 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: <4CA34C9F.4030500-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> <4CA3480C.1050203@rogers.com> <4CA34C9F.4030500@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:26 AM, James Knott wrote: > Dave Cramer wrote: >> >> Also just found out their website does not work for my phone. They use >> the IMEI number as a key, I have a Nexus 1 which their site does not >> recognize. So as a result I cannot see my plan or update it on the >> web. >> >> > > I also have a Nexus One and that site works fine for me. ?I have tried it > via both WiFi and 3G. ?No problem at all. Try accessing your plan. Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 15:30:08 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:30:08 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> <4CA3480C.1050203@rogers.com> <4CA34C9F.4030500@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4CA35B80.6040905@rogers.com> Dave Cramer wrote: > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:26 AM, James Knott wrote: > >> Dave Cramer wrote: >> >>> Also just found out their website does not work for my phone. They use >>> the IMEI number as a key, I have a Nexus 1 which their site does not >>> recognize. So as a result I cannot see my plan or update it on the >>> web. >>> >>> >>> >> I also have a Nexus One and that site works fine for me. I have tried it >> via both WiFi and 3G. No problem at all. >> > > Try accessing your plan. > > What sort of problems are you having? I can get into my wireless, home phone, cable plans, see usage, change options etc. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 15:42:20 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:42:20 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: <4CA35B80.6040905-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> <4CA3480C.1050203@rogers.com> <4CA34C9F.4030500@rogers.com> <4CA35B80.6040905@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:30 AM, James Knott wrote: > Dave Cramer wrote: >> >> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:26 AM, James Knott >> ?wrote: >> >>> >>> Dave Cramer wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Also just found out their website does not work for my phone. They use >>>> the IMEI number as a key, I have a Nexus 1 which their site does not >>>> recognize. So as a result I cannot see my plan or update it on the >>>> web. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I also have a Nexus One and that site works fine for me. ?I have tried it >>> via both WiFi and 3G. ?No problem at all. >>> >> >> Try accessing your plan. >> >> > > What sort of problems are you having? ?I can get into my wireless, home > phone, cable plans, see usage, change options etc. Interesting. My plans don't exist on their site. I can see usage, but not change anything on the plan. The rogers rep said it was because our IMEI numbers are not recognized by rogers. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 16:06:29 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:06:29 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> <4CA3480C.1050203@rogers.com> <4CA34C9F.4030500@rogers.com> <4CA35B80.6040905@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4CA36405.3060307@rogers.com> Dave Cramer wrote: > The rogers rep said it was because our IMEI numbers are not recognized > by rogers. Given that access to that site is via browser, how does IMEI even enter into it? The IEMI is comparable to a computer MAC address and only used to identify the phone when connecting to the cell network. While I haven't tried changing anything, I can certainly get to the pages to do that. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 16:17:05 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:17:05 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: <4CA36405.3060307-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> <4CA3480C.1050203@rogers.com> <4CA34C9F.4030500@rogers.com> <4CA35B80.6040905@rogers.com> <4CA36405.3060307@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:06 PM, James Knott wrote: > Dave Cramer wrote: >> >> The rogers rep said it was because our IMEI numbers are not recognized >> by rogers. > > Given that access to that site is via browser, how does IMEI even enter into > it? ?The IEMI is comparable to a computer MAC address and only used to > identify the phone when connecting to the cell network. > > While I haven't tried changing anything, I can certainly get to the pages to > do that. Apparently they use the IMEI number as a key in their system. Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 16:29:52 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:29:52 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> <4CA3480C.1050203@rogers.com> <4CA34C9F.4030500@rogers.com> <4CA35B80.6040905@rogers.com> <4CA36405.3060307@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4CA36980.2010404@rogers.com> Dave Cramer wrote: > Apparently they use the IMEI number as a key in their system. > When you use a browser from your home computer, how does the IMEI get entered? It doesn't. You're using a browser to access from a smart phone, so it shouldn't make any difference. As an experiment, tether a notebook computer to your phone and try using the browser on it to see what happens. As I mentioned, I can get into my account and into the change areas without problem. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 16:38:53 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:38:53 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: <4CA36980.2010404-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> <4CA3480C.1050203@rogers.com> <4CA34C9F.4030500@rogers.com> <4CA35B80.6040905@rogers.com> <4CA36405.3060307@rogers.com> <4CA36980.2010404@rogers.com> Message-ID: This is from my home computer. My account shows no wireless devices connected. It used to work, they must have upgraded it. Dave On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:29 PM, James Knott wrote: > Dave Cramer wrote: >> >> Apparently they use the IMEI number as a key in their system. >> > > When you use a browser from your home computer, how does the IMEI get > entered? ?It doesn't. ?You're using a browser to access from a smart phone, > so it shouldn't make any difference. ?As an experiment, tether a notebook > computer to your phone and try using the browser on it to see what happens. > ?As I mentioned, I can get into my account and into the change areas without > problem. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 16:49:12 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:49:12 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> <4CA3480C.1050203@rogers.com> <4CA34C9F.4030500@rogers.com> <4CA35B80.6040905@rogers.com> <4CA36405.3060307@rogers.com> <4CA36980.2010404@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4CA36E08.4040601@rogers.com> Dave Cramer wrote: > My account shows no wireless devices connected. It used to work, they > must have upgraded it. > My account used to show my old phone, which I had bought through Rogers. It doesn't show any phone now. However, that doesn't stop my account or phone from working. I wouldn't expect them to provide support for a phone they didn't sell. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 29 18:33:27 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:33:27 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: <4CA36E08.4040601-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> <4CA3480C.1050203@rogers.com> <4CA34C9F.4030500@rogers.com> <4CA35B80.6040905@rogers.com> <4CA36405.3060307@rogers.com> <4CA36980.2010404@rogers.com> <4CA36E08.4040601@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:49 PM, James Knott wrote: > Dave Cramer wrote: >> >> My account shows no wireless devices connected. It used to work, they >> must have upgraded it. >> > > My account used to show my old phone, which I had bought through Rogers. ?It > doesn't show any phone now. ?However, that doesn't stop my account or phone > from working. ?I wouldn't expect them to provide support for a phone they > didn't sell. > -- Neither would I, however I would expect their customer portal to work properly. --dc-- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 30 11:40:18 2010 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:40:18 -0400 Subject: Netflix Expands to Canada - Don't Miss Out In-Reply-To: References: <4C9D5944.2000602@gmail.com> <4C9E1D0F.3000106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CA47722.2090500@gmail.com> On 10-09-25 12:11 , Jason Shaw wrote: > > If you sign up, let us know if it works on the Wii and/or 360 as I'm not > sure if Netflix Canada will work natively or if there's an update for it > or what. Got the Wii disc yesterday. Works fine. Took a while to buffer videos at first, but played without a glitch. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 30 15:03:24 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: firefox grows, taking over all resources Message-ID: My FIrefox is exhibiting unpleasant behaviour and I wonder if anyone knows how to deal with this. I started Firefox at 1:10 AM this morning and I used it for an hour or two. It was OK. I could browse normally. Which, for me, means having lots of windows and tabs open, effectively for weeks. Now, when I try to continue using it ~7 hours later, it is non-responsive. Here's output from top: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 2502 hugh 20 0 9269m 4.6g 9m R 100.0 79.1 497:19.60 firefox It is taking all the CPU available, and has for some time, even while I sleep. It is also taking 9G of RAM, 4.6G of it being "resident" (real, not virtual) on a machine with 6G. Some web page I have open must be the root of this problem. As a further support to this theory, I've had to restart my browser a few times recently for similar behaviour. I always open with the same tabs as before the shutdown. - is there any way to identify which web pages are the problem? I don't consider a trial-and-error search to be a useful approach. - is there any way to tell Firefox to limit the resources that it will consume on behalf of one web page? Note: Flash is blamed for all sorts of browser problems. Not in this case: I don't have Flash on my system. I capture the stderr and stdout from Firefox. This run generated no messages. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 30 15:09:44 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:09:44 -0400 Subject: firefox grows, taking over all resources In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100930150944.GV8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:03:24AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > My FIrefox is exhibiting unpleasant behaviour and I wonder if anyone knows > how to deal with this. > > I started Firefox at 1:10 AM this morning and I used it for an hour or > two. It was OK. I could browse normally. Which, for me, means having > lots of windows and tabs open, effectively for weeks. > > Now, when I try to continue using it ~7 hours later, it is > non-responsive. Here's output from top: > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND > 2502 hugh 20 0 9269m 4.6g 9m R 100.0 79.1 497:19.60 firefox > > It is taking all the CPU available, and has for some time, even while > I sleep. It is also taking 9G of RAM, 4.6G of it being "resident" > (real, not virtual) on a machine with 6G. > > Some web page I have open must be the root of this problem. As a > further support to this theory, I've had to restart my browser a few > times recently for similar behaviour. I always open with the same > tabs as before the shutdown. > > - is there any way to identify which web pages are the problem? I > don't consider a trial-and-error search to be a useful approach. > > - is there any way to tell Firefox to limit the resources that it will > consume on behalf of one web page? > > Note: Flash is blamed for all sorts of browser problems. Not in this > case: I don't have Flash on my system. > > I capture the stderr and stdout from Firefox. This run generated no > messages. Well I have started using the firefox 4 beta version. So far I am actually impressed. It is much faster and much less resource hungry than firefox 3.x has been. Might be worth a try. It hasn't crashed yet. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 30 15:34:55 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:34:55 -0400 Subject: firefox grows, taking over all resources In-Reply-To: <20100930150944.GV8580-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100930150944.GV8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well I have started using the firefox 4 beta version. ?So far I am > actually impressed. ?It is much faster and much less resource hungry > than firefox 3.x has been. ?Might be worth a try. Sounds like a step ahead. Web browsers seem to be the worst offenders these days in the battle to chew up all my swap space. Chrome has the small merit that, as each window is managed by a separate process, there's *some* hope of tracking offensively bloated processes and expunging them without necessarily needing to kill off the whole browser. Unfortunately, it's only worth searching for the *worst* bloat, and that only when things start swapping to a troublesome degree. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 30 15:47:34 2010 From: el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:47:34 -0400 Subject: firefox grows, taking over all resources In-Reply-To: References: <20100930150944.GV8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: >> Well I have started using the firefox 4 beta version. ?So far I am >> actually impressed. ?It is much faster and much less resource hungry >> than firefox 3.x has been. ?Might be worth a try. > > Sounds like a step ahead. ?Web browsers seem to be the worst offenders > these days in the battle to chew up all my swap space. > > Chrome has the small merit that, as each window is managed by a > separate process, there's *some* hope of tracking offensively bloated > processes and expunging them without necessarily needing to kill off > the whole browser. ?Unfortunately, it's only worth searching for the > *worst* bloat, and that only when things start swapping to a > troublesome degree. > -- Chrome's - status interface allows you to clearly identify hoggish pages or even plugins, terminate them, and reload them. Untended, however, the browser seems to still be able to grow without reasonable bounds... I've tried setting limits via "ulimit" (actually Lennart's suggestion), but chrome / firefox / opera all seem to happily circumvent such limits :-( It seems absurd that the only way to put any of these browsers on a diet is to limit the size of the room (VM). Cheers, Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 30 16:07:10 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:07:10 -0400 Subject: firefox grows, taking over all resources In-Reply-To: References: <20100930150944.GV8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100930120710.c5f84d78.tleslie@tcn.net> never know about shift-esc, but tried it and didn't work, but i see it as a menu option in pull down. what is "goats teleported" when right click and add column? my number of goats teleported varies drastically from second to second, and I am starting to get very concerned! tl On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:47:34 -0400 Mike wrote: > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Christopher Browne wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Lennart Sorensen > > wrote: > >> Well I have started using the firefox 4 beta version. ?So far I am > >> actually impressed. ?It is much faster and much less resource hungry > >> than firefox 3.x has been. ?Might be worth a try. > > > > Sounds like a step ahead. ?Web browsers seem to be the worst offenders > > these days in the battle to chew up all my swap space. > > > > Chrome has the small merit that, as each window is managed by a > > separate process, there's *some* hope of tracking offensively bloated > > processes and expunging them without necessarily needing to kill off > > the whole browser. ?Unfortunately, it's only worth searching for the > > *worst* bloat, and that only when things start swapping to a > > troublesome degree. > > -- > > Chrome's - status interface allows you to clearly identify > hoggish pages or even plugins, terminate them, and reload them. > Untended, however, the browser seems to still be able to grow without > reasonable bounds... > > I've tried setting limits via "ulimit" (actually Lennart's > suggestion), but chrome / firefox / opera all seem to happily > circumvent such limits :-( > > It seems absurd that the only way to put any of these browsers on a > diet is to limit the size of the room (VM). > > Cheers, > Mike > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 30 16:29:11 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:29:11 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: On 29 September 2010 01:21, Eliot Frost wrote: > If you happen to be located in downtown Toronto, Mobilicty and Wind both > offer unlimited plans. Mobilicty's all you can eat data is $40/month, but > with their spotty coverage I'm not sure if it's worth it over your current > provider. I have cell service with them, and I have to set my phone on the > windowsill to get a decent signal in my room. YMMV, of course. Mobilicity's "unlimited" includes a progressive throttling as you use more data in any given month. And as a head's up to the person who was going to buy a phone separate from the phone plan: most of the time this is fine but a good friend of mine (the same person who supplied the above info) had an Android phone he'd ordered from the States that was evidently eating SIM cards. Mobilicity was decent about it and supplied him with three or four(!) new SIM cards, but both the phone supplier and Mobilicity claimed the other was at fault. After a couple weeks of hell he returned the phone for a refund and went with a Mobilicity-provided phone (admittedly not quite as good a phone). If the phone is provided by the same people who sell the plan, the provider _will_ fix the problem because the problem is clearly theirs. But if you have separate providers, it's far too easy to shift the blame. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 30 17:41:46 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 13:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: free: old, slow, large external CD burner Message-ID: This might be of use to someone with a netbook. HP 8220e Does anyone want it? Has not been used (or tested) in a long, long time. Could be picked up near Yonge and York Mills, or at a TLUG meeting. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 30 18:24:28 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:24:28 -0400 Subject: firefox grows, taking over all resources In-Reply-To: References: <20100930150944.GV8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100930182428.GW8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:34:55AM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > Sounds like a step ahead. Web browsers seem to be the worst offenders > these days in the battle to chew up all my swap space. > > Chrome has the small merit that, as each window is managed by a > separate process, there's *some* hope of tracking offensively bloated > processes and expunging them without necessarily needing to kill off > the whole browser. Unfortunately, it's only worth searching for the > *worst* bloat, and that only when things start swapping to a > troublesome degree. Well firfox 4 supposedly runs each plugin as a seperate process. That seems to really get flash under control. The difference in performance of javascript is just amazing though. gmail and other javascript heavy pages are noticeable faster. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 30 18:27:56 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:27:56 -0400 Subject: Nokia CS-18 Rocket stick from Rogers In-Reply-To: References: <20100929000357.13f90917.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <20100930182756.GX8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:29:11PM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > Mobilicity's "unlimited" includes a progressive throttling as you use > more data in any given month. > > And as a head's up to the person who was going to buy a phone separate > from the phone plan: most of the time this is fine but a good friend > of mine (the same person who supplied the above info) had an Android > phone he'd ordered from the States that was evidently eating SIM > cards. Mobilicity was decent about it and supplied him with three or > four(!) new SIM cards, but both the phone supplier and Mobilicity > claimed the other was at fault. After a couple weeks of hell he > returned the phone for a refund and went with a Mobilicity-provided > phone (admittedly not quite as good a phone). If the phone is > provided by the same people who sell the plan, the provider _will_ fix > the problem because the problem is clearly theirs. But if you have > separate providers, it's far too easy to shift the blame. Well that sounds unusual. Probably a defective phone then. My wife runs a Nokia E63 bought from newegg.ca on our rogers plan. No problems so far. We just had to add a small data plan to use internet access on it since rogers of course classifies that phone as a smart phone, which means unlimited WAP doesn't qualify on it. It now has a 150MB for $15/month data plan, which is plenty and works well. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 30 20:16:28 2010 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 16:16:28 -0400 Subject: Psst ... Red Hat is hiring Message-ID: Hi all. I was recently contacted by a good friend who now has been working at Red Hat for some time. He tells me that the place is now aggressively looking for some new people. He's asked me to recommend some people directly to him, such requests will avoid a gatekeeper or two. If you know me, I know you and you're interested in working for Red Hat, have a look at the available positions and let me know your interest. If you're not comfortable with that or you don't know me, apply online anyway. Many Red Hat jobs will allow you to work from out of the Toronto office, but some senior positions may require relocation to North Carolina. (NB: I am not making any referral money from this, just helping out an old friend in North Carolina) - Evan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: