From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 00:32:23 2010 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:32:23 -0500 Subject: Using an IRC Bouncer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99a6c38f1002281632qb7eb80fp513e9f29fbb69efb@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > Has anyone had any success with using an IRC Bouncer, like ZNC? > > Also where do all the GTALUG people hang out on IRC? I don't have any experience with bouncers in particular and really only use IRC very rarely. When I am on it's usually irc.pirateparty.ca (#6697). I've also popped in periodically on a few channels on irc.perl.org -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ @psema4 Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 02:56:36 2010 From: edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (edward chin) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:56:36 -0500 Subject: getting rid of paper files In-Reply-To: References: <20100228022323.GA30064@node1.opengeometry.net> <8369b0fa1002281225w32fd7c8cra9315a70418c67da@mail.gmail.com> <4B8AD81B.1090104@dinamis.com> <8369b0fa1002281345i2d478139o8240caa4ed4afdbc@mail.gmail.com> <4B8AF4D9.1070303@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <8369b0fa1002281856t3f2d3aceo26c291247e00a8cb@mail.gmail.com> Invoices are not receipts - a cancelled cheque could be. CRA - 7yrs for documents unless otherwise specified (They could announce an audit, but not complete it for 10yrs or longer.) Not sure about Elections Canada, but I think about 10yrs. >>> >>> The CRA requires original documents when they conduct an audit. >>> Elections Canada requires original documents. >> >> So how do those "original documents" work when they're a PDF? It's not >> exactly uncommon for vendors to send PDF invoices these days. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 05:04:02 2010 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 00:04:02 -0500 Subject: getting rid of paper files In-Reply-To: <8369b0fa1002281345i2d478139o8240caa4ed4afdbc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20100228022323.GA30064@node1.opengeometry.net> <8369b0fa1002281225w32fd7c8cra9315a70418c67da@mail.gmail.com> <4B8AD81B.1090104@dinamis.com> <8369b0fa1002281345i2d478139o8240caa4ed4afdbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B8B4AC2.3040606@gmail.com> edward chin wrote: > The CRA requires original documents when they conduct an audit. ... I was doing some searching and the CRA has *weird* terminology on this: 28. Paper source documents that have been imaged in according to the latest national standard (see paragraph 26) may be disposed of and their images kept as permanent records. http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tp/ic05-1/ic05-1-e.html So it seems you're allowed to image them... provided that it meets a long list of requirements (see paragraph 27). The full requirements don't appear to be available online (ironically...), but by that paragraph 27 thing, it looks like, unless you're huge, a storage locker is a lot cheaper than the processes and hardware to scan the docs. I'm surprised by this. I'm a little happier that I sent CRA all my originals now, and I store instead legible electronic image files of all my documents. I suppose that I could get in trouble if they claim not to have them, but then, my individual personal taxes aren't that risky. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 15:26:04 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:26:04 -0500 Subject: last day to register inexpensively for (Ottawa) Linux Symposium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100301152604.GM4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 04:45:11PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > The Symposium is in Ottawa again this year. July 13-16 > http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2010/ > > The normal registration charge goes from $275+GST (today) to $300+GST > (tomorrow). The web page says you can get a full refund if you cancel > before June 1. > > I just registered. > > I've enjoyed every OLS I've attended (all but one or two). Last year > was a bit weak for some reason, but it was still worthwhile. Possible > reasons for weakness: > - economy tanked That's the one. A lot of big companies cut back on travel expenses in a big way. IBM in previous years sent lots of people, and last year only the few people actually presenting got to go. I got the impression intel had done the same thing. We had 6 people go from where I work, and were apparently among the large groups there. We had 5 the year before (which was the first time we went). Hopefully I can go again. You learn so many useful things there. > - people chose to go to another show > - change of venue to Montreal I don't think either of those had anything to do with it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 15:29:14 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:29:14 -0500 Subject: last day to register inexpensively for (Ottawa) Linux Symposium In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3571002281357w4eb2d052q1d88d0dc8ce5b278@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100301152914.GN4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 05:42:16PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > Well, for the convenience of the large number of kernel hackers that > spend *thousands* of dollars to fly in from all over (e.g. - > transcontinental flights), they need to have a location that allows > them to spend their time in valuable ways. > > *Someone* has got to pay for it, and I see no particular problem with > the costs being spread across the attendees. > > It's cheap in comparison with (say) professional society conferences; > a quick browse shows that ACM, IEEE, Usenix, INFORMS all tend to > charge about twice that much, typically offering discounts about equal > to annual professional membership fees. > > OLS needs to pay for a venue, just the same as anyone else. > > And I think Stallman would agree with the notion of them charging as > much as possible. He even says such, albeit in the context of selling > software, rather than conference registration, but I don't think > there's any contradiction there. > OLS is very different than other conferences in that it is so much less commercial. It is not covered in adds for various companies. Just a few sponsors have their names in a few places, but it really is just lots of Linus people learning from each other. It can be a serious brain overload. :) Of course last years show was less than half of what the previous year had (both in attendance and number of presentations. Lots of presenters didn't make it unfortunately due to budget cutbacks.) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 17:26:52 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:26:52 -0800 Subject: Machine fake rebooting Message-ID: <3a97ef1003010926n7986909fp87bf2a05ffbc9779@mail.gmail.com> My home box has been acting oddly lately, seemingly in relation to my running instance of asterisk. Today when I'm SSH'ed into the box, it will randomly act like I've told it to reboot Broadcast message from root at mydomain (unknown) at 18:38 ... The system is going down for reboot NOW! Connection to mydomain.com closed by remote host. Connection to mydomain.com closed. Now the machine doesn't actually reboot, and the logs don't mention it at all, it just drops my SSH connection and I have to reconnect. It might be a coincidence but it seems to have happened since I've been messing with my asterisk stuff. I'm wondering if something else might be causing it or if the box may be compromised. I'm not sure why/how that may have happened since the only recent changes are to asterisk - which AFAIK doesn't have any recent shell-execution/escalation bugs - and I haven't had any suspicious SSH attempts. - TJA -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 17:58:07 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 12:58:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Machine fake rebooting In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1003010926n7986909fp87bf2a05ffbc9779-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1003010926n7986909fp87bf2a05ffbc9779@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Broadcast message from root at mydomain > (unknown) at 18:38 ... > > The system is going down for reboot NOW! > Connection to mydomain.com closed by remote host. > Connection to mydomain.com closed. > > Now the machine doesn't actually reboot, and the logs don't mention it > at all, it just drops my SSH connection and I have to reconnect. A couple of thoughts here: (1) Under certain types of failure a system may actually fail to shutdown & reboot properly. This can happen if one or more filesystems are hanging. This is when you may need to reach for MagicSysRq. Of course this all presumes a sysadmin or some authorised process (UPS s/w?) told it to reboot. (2) 'shutdown -k' does actually produce a fake shutdown message. Does anyone else have root and could they be playing around? Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org IRC: Solver Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 18:03:49 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:03:49 -0800 Subject: Machine fake rebooting In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1003010926n7986909fp87bf2a05ffbc9779@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1003011003j3293553co307afb6bf84866af@mail.gmail.com> Nope. That's the weird thing. The box is actually my NAT router, which I also use when I need to access files at home etc etc Nobody else with access to the house (so no physical access to the box), and nobody else should have any accounts on that machine. The weirdest part is that it seems to state that whatever user I'm logged in as (myself or "root" if I've su'ed) is the one stated as doing the fake-reboot, but I certainly didn't instantiate it. I've since changed my own password and turned on molly-guard just in case. Is there perhaps something that can be misinterpreted as a reboot or some weird hot-key that will do it? - TJA On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, Tyler Aviss wrote: > >> Broadcast message from root at mydomain >> ? ? ? ?(unknown) at 18:38 ... >> >> The system is going down for reboot NOW! >> Connection to mydomain.com closed by remote host. >> Connection to mydomain.com closed. >> >> Now the machine doesn't actually reboot, and the logs don't mention it >> at all, it just drops my SSH connection and I have to reconnect. > > A couple of thoughts here: > > (1) Under certain types of failure a system may actually fail to shutdown & > reboot properly. ?This can happen if one or more filesystems are hanging. > ?This is when you may need to reach for MagicSysRq. ? Of course this all > presumes a sysadmin or some authorised process (UPS s/w?) told it to reboot. > > (2) 'shutdown -k' does actually produce a fake shutdown message. ?Does > anyone else have root and could they be playing around? > > Rob > > -- > Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org > IRC: Solver > Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com > I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 18:09:21 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:09:21 -0500 Subject: Announcing OpenWrt/MLPPP - multilink firmware for consumer routers - Caneris & Acanac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100301180920.GO4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 08:31:33PM -0500, Erik L wrote: > We wanted to avoid a fork, but the prevailing factor for OpenWrt/MLPPP became ease of use. The product requires a non-default (for OpenWrt) kernel config and a MLPPP-related kernel patch, a non-default web interface (webif instead of luci) modified by us, plus all the userspace MLPPP code and scripts. While it's possible to compile the kernel patch into a replacement ppp kernel module and perhaps bring everything else down to a couple of .ipk, installing it like that over a stock OpenWrt would still not be trivial for non-technical end users. It would also require them running the correct version of OpenWrt - we based alpha 1 on 8.09.2 for various reasons. This is why we've chosen to provide pre-compiled binary images - the focus is on anyone being able to download the firmware, flash it , and config from the GUI. This doesn't preclude the technically-inclined from doing whatever they'd like to do. > > Another major reason was hardware; as I mentioned in the announcement, we're working on a complementary CPE (hardware). The end goal here is to sell pre-flashed and pre-configured units to our subscribers. Part of the hardware effort involves more kernel modification in the form of driver development for hardware currently not supported by OpenWrt. > > If anyone here is testing this out, feedback is most welcome. Hmm, sounds neat. Now since I know openwrt will work on the DIR-825 that I have at least using the current development code, then mlppp might soon be an option on it too. There probably aren't many other routers with that level of CPU and RAM as the DIR-825 has. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 18:13:38 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:13:38 -0500 Subject: Announcing OpenWrt/MLPPP - multilink firmware for consumer routers - Caneris & Acanac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100301181338.GP4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 08:55:53AM -0500, Erik L wrote: > Of course, but again, we need something now! Unless we end up doing a proprietary driver (let me guess, I'll be shot for saying that here), there's no reason not to upstream, except it takes too long for the code to go into the Linux tree, then trickle down to OpenWrt, etc. Especially when people don't even start the process. It makes things so much easier in the medium to long term that it is very much worth the effort. Too many people only look at the short term. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 18:22:18 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:22:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Machine fake rebooting In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1003011003j3293553co307afb6bf84866af-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1003010926n7986909fp87bf2a05ffbc9779@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003011003j3293553co307afb6bf84866af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I've since changed my own password and turned on molly-guard just in > case. Is there perhaps something that can be misinterpreted as a > reboot or some weird hot-key that will do it? In general it's considered a bad idea to auto-reboot servers since they may fail to come up and no sysadmin is necessarily present to deal with the issue. There are a couple of processes which can be allowed to reboot a box though: (1) UPS daemon software. Normally they halt rather than reboot and they clearly report themselves when doing it. (2) A watchdog process. A watchdog should really be pushing the big red button rather than doing an orderly shutdown[1]. Software watchdogs can fail to reboot a box in some circumstances but even they can call HARD_RESET_NOW() and avoid doing an orderly shutdown. Do run rkhunder and/or chkrootkit on the box, just in case. [1] If the box is able to do an orderly shutdown how sick could it be? If the orderly shutdown fails the watchdog was useless. Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org IRC: Solver Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 18:26:12 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:26:12 -0500 Subject: Announcing OpenWrt/MLPPP - multilink firmware for consumer routers - Caneris & Acanac In-Reply-To: <20100301181338.GP4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100301181338.GP4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 08:55:53AM -0500, Erik L wrote: >> Of course, but again, we need something now! Unless we end up doing a proprietary driver (let me guess, I'll be shot for saying that here), there's no reason not to upstream, except it takes too long for the code to go into the Linux tree, then trickle down to OpenWrt, etc. > > Especially when people don't even start the process. ?It makes things > so much easier in the medium to long term that it is very much worth > the effort. ?Too many people only look at the short term. Indeed. I'd suggest the thought that "due diligence" should make it obligatory to at least *try* to pass it upstream. - You'll need to track the difference in your own downstream repository, whether it actually gets upstream or not. - The difference may go upstream, get applied, with some changes, and come back downstream a year later. In that case, the downstream repository will have some effort involved in merging it in. Even if the change never comes back downstream, having the customization captured and tracked means that you know the scope of the driver change, and have a fighting chance when it comes time to try to upgrade to a newer kernel. We've had this sort of thing happen at work vis-a-vis customizations to PostgreSQL... There have been occasions (happily, disappearing as certain elderly versions disappear!) where we had local mods that differed from upstream. We had our own copy of CVS, to track this, and to support the need to repatch, on occasion. There's no difference between database "kernel" and OS "kernel" in this kind of scenario. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Pablo Picasso - "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 18:29:35 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:29:35 -0500 Subject: NFS time based access restrictions In-Reply-To: <4B882DDC.3070503-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B87D6E6.1040901@moores.ca> <20100226200717.GL4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B882DDC.3070503@moores.ca> Message-ID: <20100301182935.GQ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 03:23:56PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: > Oh that's easy. My home server hosts videos. Everything I've ripped > and/or downloaded in the last decade is there. I want to make sure the > kids can't access it between the time they get home and after supper. > > Perhaps another solution is to change the group ownership of the > directory and use cron add/remove the kids from a videoviewing group. > I'm using LDAP for authentication already so that wouldn't be too hard. > > Yes, I didn't really think exporting and unexporting the directory was > the best option. I have enough occasional issues with my own laptop and > NFS when it sleep and the wakes somewhere not on the network. If > Nautilus had an NFS mounted directory open when it went to sleep it > causes all sorts of head aches when it resumes. Changing the permissions or ownership sounds like a much better idea. Takes effect emmidiately. Easy to debug, easy to reverse later too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 18:30:51 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:30:51 -0500 Subject: NFS time based access restrictions In-Reply-To: <92ee967a1002261238m17b2d076m76ba65e1991aa558-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B87D6E6.1040901@moores.ca> <20100226200717.GL4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B882DDC.3070503@moores.ca> <92ee967a1002261238m17b2d076m76ba65e1991aa558@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100301183051.GR4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 03:38:49PM -0500, Mike Kallies wrote: > I think you can do > > exportfs -u /path/to/no/longer/export > > and it will stop exporting the path, even though it's in /etc/exports > > Then I think if you do a > > exportfs -a > > it will reload the /etc/exports and re-export anything which was > previously unexported. > > I don't have an NFS environment handy to try it out... so I'm not 100%. > > I think this is a better solution than messing with permissions or > group memberships, because once authenticated, the group memberships > stay the same until the user logs back in. No change the file permissions, not the group membership of the user. Changing nfs exports is not nice to the client machine. Changing permissions is perfectly normal operation and causes no harm at all. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 18:42:29 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:42:29 -0800 Subject: Machine fake rebooting In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1003010926n7986909fp87bf2a05ffbc9779@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003011003j3293553co307afb6bf84866af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1003011042o72cf0f0dt879437c01246542c@mail.gmail.com> If it's anything other than "shutdown -k", shouldn't it be showing in syslog. Other than the fact it drops my SSH session (which I can reconnect to right away anyhow), I see no other symptoms that it actually attempted a real shutdown. But again, nobody else should even have access to do the shutdown -k, and that shouldn't be able to drop the SSH session. No UPS daemon running No watchdogs that I know of unless there's something that asterisk is trying to pull off on me. chkrootkit shows up nil, and rkhunter didn't find anything noteworthy, but this is on the running box. I'm going to have to attach a USB-CDROM to it and run those again from a known safe source. - TJA On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, Tyler Aviss wrote: > >> I've since changed my own password and turned on molly-guard just in >> case. Is there perhaps something that can be misinterpreted as a >> reboot or some weird hot-key that will do it? > > In general it's considered a bad idea to auto-reboot servers since they may > fail to come up and no sysadmin is necessarily present to deal with the > issue. > > There are a couple of processes which can be allowed to reboot a box though: > > (1) UPS daemon software. ?Normally they halt rather than reboot and they > clearly report themselves when doing it. > > (2) A watchdog process. ?A watchdog should really be pushing the big red > button rather than doing an orderly shutdown[1]. ? Software watchdogs can > fail to reboot a box in some circumstances but even they can call > HARD_RESET_NOW() and avoid doing an orderly shutdown. > > Do run rkhunder and/or chkrootkit on the box, just in case. > > [1] If the box is able to do an orderly shutdown how sick could it be? If > the orderly shutdown fails the watchdog was useless. > > Rob > > -- > Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org > IRC: Solver > Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com > I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 18:44:06 2010 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:44:06 -0500 Subject: last day to register inexpensively for (Ottawa) Linux Symposium In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3571002281357w4eb2d052q1d88d0dc8ce5b278@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B8C0AF6.2040004@gmail.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: >> $275 is expensive if you don't have that kind of money, or a job. > > Well, for the convenience of the large number of kernel hackers that > spend *thousands* of dollars to fly in from all over (e.g. - > transcontinental flights), they need to have a location that allows > them to spend their time in valuable ways. > > *Someone* has got to pay for it, and I see no particular problem with > the costs being spread across the attendees. That event is hardcore. Just check the 2009 list of topics and speakers: http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2009/speakers.php?types=TALK Fascinating stuff, but I couldn't contribute one iota of knowledge to the subjects. I'd feel bad attending because I might be taking the place of somebody who'd get a lot more out of it. The proceedings are really nicely put together though. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 18:57:38 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:57:38 -0500 Subject: last day to register inexpensively for (Ottawa) Linux Symposium In-Reply-To: <4B8C0AF6.2040004-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571002281357w4eb2d052q1d88d0dc8ce5b278@mail.gmail.com> <4B8C0AF6.2040004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100301185738.GS4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 01:44:06PM -0500, Mike Kallies wrote: > That event is hardcore. > > Just check the 2009 list of topics and speakers: > > http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2009/speakers.php?types=TALK > > Fascinating stuff, but I couldn't contribute one iota of knowledge to > the subjects. I'd feel bad attending because I might be taking the > place of somebody who'd get a lot more out of it. Most people just learn. Some people contribute. > The proceedings are really nicely put together though. It was nowhere near full last year. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 21:02:41 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:02:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Announcing OpenWrt/MLPPP - multilink firmware for consumer routers - Caneris & Acanac In-Reply-To: <20100301180920.GO4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100301180920.GO4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | Hmm, sounds neat. Now since I know openwrt will work on the DIR-825 | that I have at least using the current development code, then mlppp | might soon be an option on it too. There probably aren't many other | routers with that level of CPU and RAM as the DIR-825 has. D-Link DIR-825 and Linksys WRT400n have a number of similarities but some differences - both have 32M RAM - the 400n has 8M of flash. I'd guess that the 825 does as well. - both have AR7161 600 MHz Wireless Network Processing Unit (WNPU) (earlier revs of the 825 were different) - 825 has a gigabit switch whereas the 400n is only 100M - 825 has USB; the 400n does not In theory, both should be supported well by OpenWRT because the Atheros radios have open source drivers. None of this binary-only driver nonsense forced by Broadcom (or Ubicom, I think). As far as I can make out, support for the 400n is not in released versions of OpenWRT -- use the development tree. I found the 400n for $90 at SIG (a special; normally $100). The 825 looks to be more expensive (and has a couple of better features). I cannot give a review of the 400n since I've loaned it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 21:09:33 2010 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:09:33 -0500 Subject: fwd: Social Computing Social Message-ID: <1267477773.30549.73.camel@gont> Hi TLUGers, I figured some of y'all would be interested in this little informal get-together we're having at the Linuxcaffe mid-week... Dear Geeks, As you all know, Toronto has seen a real flowering of projects in the last little while aimed at bring free and open source software to a wider audience. We now have a cluster of small groups -- Linux Ed, Planet Geek, the project I'm calling "UseValue" for now, and of course Toronto's new FreeGeek affiliate -- with similar & overlapping aims. I think we all bring different skills and goals to the table, and that we should all be sure to stay in conversation with each other. We've had some trouble scheduling it in the past but we would love, finally, to see all of you this Wednesday at the first meeting of the Toronto Social Computing Alliance a.k.a. the Computer Conspiracy an informal gathering of people interested in using computers & FLOSS to bring about social change. WHERE: LinuxCaffe, 326 Harbord St (@ Grace) WHEN: Wed, Mar. 3, from 8:00 to 10:00 AGENDA: Getting to know each other and the projects we work on; helping each other think about successes and challenges we face; brainstorming about how we can all support each others' projects. We think this'll be great! and we hope to see you there. In solidarity, the co-conspirators Matt, Use Value (matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) jon, Planet Geek (jon.alexander-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) ryan, Linux Ed (ryankelln-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 1 21:11:10 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:11:10 -0500 Subject: Announcing OpenWrt/MLPPP - multilink firmware for consumer routers - Caneris & Acanac In-Reply-To: References: <20100301180920.GO4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100301211110.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 04:02:41PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > D-Link DIR-825 and Linksys WRT400n have a number of similarities but > some differences > - both have 32M RAM Actually some DIR-825 rev B seem to have 64MB according to the dd-wrt developers. Some have 32MB. No one seems to know why this is. Maybe they have two different types of ram they can use and it depends which they happen to have on hand. > - the 400n has 8M of flash. I'd guess that the 825 does as well. It would seem so. > - both have AR7161 600 MHz Wireless Network Processing Unit (WNPU) > (earlier revs of the 825 were different) > - 825 has a gigabit switch whereas the 400n is only 100M Gig is nice. > - 825 has USB; the 400n does not USB could be nice. > In theory, both should be supported well by OpenWRT because the > Atheros radios have open source drivers. None of this binary-only > driver nonsense forced by Broadcom (or Ubicom, I think). As far as I > can make out, support for the 400n is not in released versions of > OpenWRT -- use the development tree. Correct. Hopefully someday they will have a new release that includes it. > I found the 400n for $90 at SIG (a special; normally $100). The 825 > looks to be more expensive (and has a couple of better features). And since it is not a linksys it probably runs a lot cooler (at least other linksys boxes I have seen run very hot, and the 825 sure doesn't). > I cannot give a review of the 400n since I've loaned it. > > > > -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 2 13:57:57 2010 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 08:57:57 -0500 Subject: job schedulling In-Reply-To: <20100226231930.GA14923-8agRmHhQ+n0LFV1hc+Bozg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B853FBD.5030103@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100226001925.GA5463@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100226231930.GA14923@watson-wilon.ca> Message-ID: <4B8D1965.9070605@totaltravelmarketing.com> Hi all Just wanted to say thanks to everybody who took of their time to reply my question, I've busy checking every suggestion and white paper I was recommended, again thanks a lot for your help Jose -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 2 15:06:54 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 10:06:54 -0500 Subject: MythTV installfest... Message-ID: I was talking to some of the PlanetGeek (http://www.planetgeek.ca/) people last Sunday about my favorite hardware eating piece of free software, MythTV (http://www.mythtv.org/). In summary, MythTV allows you to turn a PC into a Personal Video Recorder (PVR), with more bells and whistles than anything Bell or Rogers offer. What I was hearing from the PlanetGeek folks was that while they are sold on free software (they install Ubuntu Linux on the PCs they give away at a local food bank) the one person in the group who had tried doing a MythTV set-up had run into issues... So, I suggested to the PlanetGeek folks the idea of doing a MythTV installfest, a get together of people who have installed / configured MythTV with some people who want to get MythTV up and running on their PCs. This would be a variation on something I did a few years ago: http://tlug.ss.org/wiki/InstallFest_-_November_4%2C_2006 There were at least two PlanetGeek people who expressed strong interest in an Installfest. I do have a (very?) tentative location for an installfest lined up in the east end of the city (one that has a bus and streetcar stop almost at the front door). The software is of course free, but people will have to come up with the hardware to support MythTV, which means: For analog TV: - PIII 750 MHz (or better) PC - 1 GB RAM (or better) - 40 GB hard drive (preferably much more) - 1 or more Linux supported TV analog tuner cards. - A Linux supported hardware accelerated video card. For HD TV: - P4 3.2 GHz (or better) PC - 1.5 GB RAM (or better) - 250 GB hard drive (preferably much more) - 1 or more Linux supported TV digital tuner cards. - A Linux supported hardware accelerated video card. I am helping to maintain a wiki page that notes GTA centric issues associate with MythTV: http://tlug.ss.org/wiki/MythTV Key question is, how much general interest would there be in an event like this? Thoughts? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 2 16:13:04 2010 From: edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (edward chin) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 11:13:04 -0500 Subject: getting rid of paper files In-Reply-To: <4B8B4AC2.3040606-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100228022323.GA30064@node1.opengeometry.net> <8369b0fa1002281225w32fd7c8cra9315a70418c67da@mail.gmail.com> <4B8AD81B.1090104@dinamis.com> <8369b0fa1002281345i2d478139o8240caa4ed4afdbc@mail.gmail.com> <4B8B4AC2.3040606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8369b0fa1003020813p69c9ce79u56bd95f119c5006e@mail.gmail.com> In essence, CRA means that if CRA has seen the originals and made a copy, and certified that copy; the certified copy may be accepted as an original. Other agencies may make the copy for you. Signatures are another involved procedure requiring an original on record and appropriate releases. The analogy is - There is no substitute for cash. A copy is not an original (unless it is among the first five castings of a sculpture). On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Mike Kallies wrote: > edward chin wrote: >> The CRA requires original documents when they conduct an audit. > ... > > I was doing some searching and the CRA has *weird* terminology on this: > > 28. Paper source documents that have been imaged in according to the > latest national standard (see paragraph 26) may be disposed of and their > images kept as permanent records. > > http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tp/ic05-1/ic05-1-e.html > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 2 16:50:47 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 11:50:47 -0500 Subject: MythTV installfest... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100302165047.GU4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 10:06:54AM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > I was talking to some of the PlanetGeek (http://www.planetgeek.ca/) > people last Sunday about my favorite hardware eating piece of free > software, MythTV (http://www.mythtv.org/). In summary, MythTV allows > you to turn a PC into a Personal Video Recorder (PVR), with more bells > and whistles than anything Bell or Rogers offer. What I was hearing > from the PlanetGeek folks was that while they are sold on free > software (they install Ubuntu Linux on the PCs they give away at a > local food bank) the one person in the group who had tried doing a > MythTV set-up had run into issues... > > So, I suggested to the PlanetGeek folks the idea of doing a MythTV > installfest, a get together of people who have installed / configured > MythTV with some people who want to get MythTV up and running on their > PCs. This would be a variation on something I did a few years ago: > > http://tlug.ss.org/wiki/InstallFest_-_November_4%2C_2006 > > There were at least two PlanetGeek people who expressed strong > interest in an Installfest. > > I do have a (very?) tentative location for an installfest lined up in > the east end of the city (one that has a bus and streetcar stop almost > at the front door). The software is of course free, but people will > have to come up with the hardware to support MythTV, which means: > > For analog TV: > > - PIII 750 MHz (or better) PC > - 1 GB RAM (or better) > - 40 GB hard drive (preferably much more) > - 1 or more Linux supported TV analog tuner cards. > - A Linux supported hardware accelerated video card. > > For HD TV: > > - P4 3.2 GHz (or better) PC > - 1.5 GB RAM (or better) > - 250 GB hard drive (preferably much more) > - 1 or more Linux supported TV digital tuner cards. For HD recordings I use a 4250HD box from rogers connected by firewire. Putting up an antenna for ATSC reception is not practical for me. :) > - A Linux supported hardware accelerated video card. > > I am helping to maintain a wiki page that notes GTA centric issues > associate with MythTV: http://tlug.ss.org/wiki/MythTV > > Key question is, how much general interest would there be in an event > like this? > > Thoughts? No idea. A lot of getting mythtv setup involves getting the tuner setup done right, and doing that anywhere other than your final location may be very inconvinient. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 2 16:54:16 2010 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 11:54:16 -0500 Subject: MythTV installfest... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B8D42B8.1090807@linuxcaffe.ca> Colin McGregor wrote: > > I do have a (very?) tentative location for an installfest lined up in > the east end of the city (one that has a bus and streetcar stop almost > at the front door). Our workshop is, as always, at your disposal, we'd love to host it. > > Key question is, how much general interest would there be in an event > like this? Lot's I think. let me know of linuxcaffe can help, djp > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 2 17:04:19 2010 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:04:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: MythTV installfest... In-Reply-To: <20100302165047.GU4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100302165047.GU4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <63028.84478.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > For HD recordings I use a 4250HD box from rogers connected by firewire. > Putting up an antenna for ATSC reception is not practical for me. :) Lennart, could you provide a bit more detail whether you've had to do anything special to record HD with that box? Just the box hooked up to a tuner/capture card via firewire? What card? I tried several years ago when I first set up my HTPC but with the box I had I was unable to get it to work. -M -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 2 17:06:54 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 12:06:54 -0500 Subject: MythTV installfest... In-Reply-To: <4B8D42B8.1090807-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B8D42B8.1090807@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, David J Patrick wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: >> >> I do have a (very?) tentative location for an installfest lined up in >> the east end of the city (one that has a bus and streetcar stop almost >> at the front door). > > Our workshop is, as always, at your disposal, we'd love to host it. One of the PlanetGeek people has a partial financial interest in a commercial location in the east end of the city (one VERY near a bus and streetcar stop). Should that PlanetGeek related location not work out I will be in touch. >> Key question is, how much general interest would there be in an event >> like this? > > Lot's I think. > let me know of linuxcaffe can help, Will do. Colin. > djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 2 18:53:03 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 13:53:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Announcing OpenWrt/MLPPP - multilink firmware for consumer routers - Caneris & Acanac In-Reply-To: <20100301211110.GT4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100301180920.GO4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100301211110.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | Actually some DIR-825 rev B seem to have 64MB according to the dd-wrt | developers. Some have 32MB. No one seems to know why this is. Nice! It would be nice to know if you could some how tell before you buy. | Gig is nice. | USB could be nice. I forgot to mention another interesting cheap choice: the TP-Link TL-WR1043ND. It is available several places, but this looks to be the cheapest local source at the moment ($52.99 with free delivery in the GTA): This seems to be: - all atheros - slower CPU (only 400MHz, not 600MHz like the others we were discussing) - 1G WAN and LAN ethernet - one USB 2.0 port - 32M RAM, 8M flash - support in OpenWRT tree I have no experience with this router or even with this brand. (I was going to say "manufacturer", but brands and manufacturers are not isomorphic.) I read a comment somewhere that TP-Link makes low cost knock-offs of other companies products so there is a lack of coherence to their product line as a whole. How much does CPU crunch matter in these devices? Some people have said that routers with USB ports make bad file servers because USB takes considerable CPU and router CPUs are not up to saturating a drive -- I don't know if this is true. Some routers (Asus) have defective USB ports that don't even support high speed USB (contrary to their spec sheets). I don't imagine that the CPU is involved directly in the switching of packets. If it were, then 1G ethernet might put new loads on the CPU. Actually routing the packet surely does involve the CPU so the faster CPU may be useful there. Maybe the new ADSL2+ service could make the faster CPU worthwhile. Bulk crypto should be offloaded from the CPU. It is in at least some of these consumer routers but I'm not sure which and I'm not sure which crypto hardware is available to open source. If the CPU is doing crypto, the faster CPU would be helpful. Without measurement, guesses about CPU requrements are just that. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 2 19:04:59 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 14:04:59 -0500 Subject: MythTV installfest... In-Reply-To: <63028.84478.qm-aqYcPWQm5sWB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20100302165047.GU4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <63028.84478.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100302190459.GV4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 09:04:19AM -0800, Matthew Godycki wrote: > Lennart, could you provide a bit more detail whether you've had to do anything > special to record HD with that box? Just the box hooked up to a tuner/capture > card via firewire? What card? Just connect the box with a working firewire cable (the first one I bought didn't work) to the firewire port on my motherboard, and then mythtv practically autodetected it as a SA4200HD (the 4250HD is just a newer version). It was actually really trivial. No tuner card involved. No IR blaster. Just one firewire cable. Of course I then had to go through all the channels to weed out the ones I don't subscribe to from schedules direct, and then I had to go through from mythtv to find the ones that have firewire copy protection enabled, and weed those out. In the end I have around 200 digital channels, with a fair number of HD channels available. Very low cpu use too since it simply dumps the raw mpeg2 stream rogers is delivering. No encoding or anything needed. > I tried several years ago when I first set up my HTPC but with the box I had > I was unable to get it to work. It was a pain in the past, especially while the kernel firewire stack was transitioning to the new stack. Now everything seems to work fine with the new stack. I did learn that the nforce2 firewire port is very broken and won't work. Other firewire controllers seem fine. My laptop has a Ricoh, the mythtv box has a VIA, and I have an NEC pci card. They all work fine with the 4250HD. Mythtv does seem to have a flaw in that it doesn't wait long enough after sending a channel change command before it starts to capture the stream, and occationally this makes it lock on to the old channel's stream and then the capture dies when it switches to the new channel's stream. It really should wait 2 or 3 seconds for the box to finish changing channels. Also sometimes rogers seems to change whether a channel has copy protection set or not, in which case it stops working with the channel of course and you end up with 0 byte recordings. So far this has happend to TSNHD. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 2 19:17:50 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 14:17:50 -0500 Subject: Nice Linux-Friendly Music Player Message-ID: <20100302191750.GB19561@yam.witteman.ca> My Creative Zen V died a while back, and I recently picked up a new music player, a Transcend MP860: http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=027127&cid=MMP.635 It has explicit compatibility with the Linux kernel from version 2.4 onwards, speaks AVI, Ogg and FLAC, (as well as less free formats and WAV), displays text and images, and comes with a silicone case and plays FM radio. It records via internal mic and line in, and the interface is very usable. I listen to audiobooks, and this player is excellent, in that it remembers automatically where you are in a given file (crucial if the book is divided into long chunks) but also fast-forwards easily, and you can speed up or slow down the playback of MP3 files. The internal battery lasts for ages (I haven't drained the battery because I had to put more books on it before the charge wore out). I don't use it, but there is a mircoSD slot, so it's got a lot of potential space. I am definitely impressed. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 2 20:25:06 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 15:25:06 -0500 Subject: Announcing OpenWrt/MLPPP - multilink firmware for consumer routers - Caneris & Acanac In-Reply-To: References: <20100301180920.GO4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100301211110.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100302202506.GW4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 01:53:03PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Lennart Sorensen > > | Actually some DIR-825 rev B seem to have 64MB according to the dd-wrt > | developers. Some have 32MB. No one seems to know why this is. > > Nice! It would be nice to know if you could some how tell before you > buy. None that I know of. It seems dlink considers them equivelant and it's just a build variation. Not sure if they need a different FCC id if they change the ram like that, so perhaps there is a difference. > I forgot to mention another interesting cheap choice: the TP-Link > TL-WR1043ND. It is available several places, but this looks to be the > cheapest local source at the moment ($52.99 with free delivery in > the GTA): > > > This seems to be: > - all atheros > - slower CPU (only 400MHz, not 600MHz like the others we were > discussing) > - 1G WAN and LAN ethernet > - one USB 2.0 port > - 32M RAM, 8M flash > - support in OpenWRT tree > Interesting little device. > I have no experience with this router or even with this brand. (I was > going to say "manufacturer", but brands and manufacturers are not > isomorphic.) I read a comment somewhere that TP-Link makes low cost > knock-offs of other companies products so there is a lack of coherence > to their product line as a whole. Knock-offs including copying the software? > How much does CPU crunch matter in these devices? > > Some people have said that routers with USB ports make bad file > servers because USB takes considerable CPU and router CPUs are not up > to saturating a drive -- I don't know if this is true. Some routers > (Asus) have defective USB ports that don't even support high speed USB > (contrary to their spec sheets). USB is very cpu intensive, so yes that maeks sense. > I don't imagine that the CPU is involved directly in the switching of > packets. If it were, then 1G ethernet might put new loads on the CPU. > Actually routing the packet surely does involve the CPU so the faster > CPU may be useful there. Maybe the new ADSL2+ service could make the > faster CPU worthwhile. With a decent network interface, a 400MHz or so CPU should be able to do a good chunk of a gigabit link. It might even manage it. It depends on many factors though. > Bulk crypto should be offloaded from the CPU. It is in at least some > of these consumer routers but I'm not sure which and I'm not sure > which crypto hardware is available to open source. If the CPU is > doing crypto, the faster CPU would be helpful. Many crypto engines have linux kernel support. not all, but many do. If present and supported they tend to help a lot. > Without measurement, guesses about CPU requrements are just that. Yep. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 2 22:34:37 2010 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 17:34:37 -0500 Subject: Rogers sounding board Message-ID: <7fc604581003021434y1cbc405fo47c103ba3bbf7a35@mail.gmail.com> Given the level of comment raised here about Rogers, I thought this would be appropriate here. The company has started a new website, http://redboard.rogers.com/ It's supposed to be a stab at social networking, about improving communications between Rogers staff and customers. Maybe it's a good place to vent if you have a beef. -- Evan Leibovitch evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 3 17:36:47 2010 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 12:36:47 -0500 Subject: MythTV installfest... In-Reply-To: References: <4B8D42B8.1090807@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <4B8E9E2F.5030203@linuxcaffe.ca> Colin McGregor wrote: > One of the PlanetGeek people has a partial financial interest in a > commercial location in the east end of the city (one VERY near a bus > and streetcar stop). the Harbord bus stops 14ft from our door.. is it closer than that ? ;) Should that PlanetGeek related location not work > out I will be in touch. We're standing by, as always. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 4 00:02:06 2010 From: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:02:06 -0500 Subject: Nice Linux-Friendly Music Player In-Reply-To: <20100302191750.GB19561-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100302191750.GB19561@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <1267660926.17115.10.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> The talk on the street a few years ago was about the South Korean player, Cowon, if I remember correctly. It's more expensive but it also does video and has more memory. Does anyone have experience with these? http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=021320&cid=MMP.635 http://www.jetaudio.com/products/cowon/s9/ Ken B. On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 14:17 -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > My Creative Zen V died a while back, and I recently picked up a new > music player, a Transcend MP860: > > http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=027127&cid=MMP.635 > > It has explicit compatibility with the Linux kernel from version 2.4 > onwards, speaks AVI, Ogg and FLAC, (as well as less free formats and WAV), > displays text and images, and comes with a silicone case and plays FM > radio. It records via internal mic and line in, and the interface is > very usable. > > I listen to audiobooks, and this player is excellent, in that it > remembers automatically where you are in a given file (crucial if the > book is divided into long chunks) but also fast-forwards easily, and you > can speed up or slow down the playback of MP3 files. The internal > battery lasts for ages (I haven't drained the battery because I had to > put more books on it before the charge wore out). > > I don't use it, but there is a mircoSD slot, so it's got a lot of > potential space. > > I am definitely impressed. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Blog: http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 4 02:40:22 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 21:40:22 -0500 Subject: Nice Linux-Friendly Music Player In-Reply-To: <1267660926.17115.10.camel-sLtTAFnw5m7xXJQZHMdDwiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20100302191750.GB19561@yam.witteman.ca> <1267660926.17115.10.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: <20100304024022.GA15309@yam.witteman.ca> On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 07:02:06PM -0500, Ken Burtch wrote: >The talk on the street a few years ago was about the South Korean >player, Cowon, if I remember correctly. It's more expensive but it also >does video and has more memory. Does anyone have experience with these? My wife has one - it does work fine (the Transcend does do video, by the way), but it is more than twice the price, does not have expandable memory and it not currently available. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 4 18:45:17 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:45:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Nice Linux-Friendly Music Player In-Reply-To: <20100302191750.GB19561-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100302191750.GB19561@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: | From: William O'Higgins Witteman | | My Creative Zen V died a while back, Did you find it Linux-friendly? I ended up hacking Gnomad to access mine (my fixes were accepted into the tree). Did you find something better? I'm not a fan of MTP (I prefer UMS) but that could be prejudice. What Linux software do folks use to manage their MP3 players? | and I recently picked up a new | music player, a Transcend MP860: Thanks for the review! I care about many of the things you seem to care about: I listen to recorded radio programs (CBC Ideas, BBC In Our Time) and bookmarks matter. I don't care about video. I do want small: I carry my Samsung YP-U2J in my pocket all the time. Things that do video tend to be bigger. I'm also a cheap bastard. We are also on the lookout for a music-oriented MP3 player that is a little more convenient for desk use (that's what our Zen is doing at the moment). Bookmarks don't matter. Playlists do. Convenient Linux management is good. A nice interface would be good. A computer program as MP3 player would apear to be a great choice except we don't want to require the computer to be on. >From reading anythingbutipod, the Sansa Clip Plus looks interesting. It has a microSD slot (unlike the Sansa Clip). It is not as widely available as I'd like. The 2G one is $39.99 at Future Shop today (goes up to $49.99 to tomorrow). They have ones with larger memory for larger prices. NCIX has on sale a Sony NWZS636F (4G). Its firmware is Linux. I would like to know if it can be managed from a Linux desktop. I'd love to know how hackable it is (probably: not at all). The manual says nothing about bookmarks (it does say that you can resume a video under certain conditions). No microSD. Unlike early Sony players, this does support MP3 (and AAC-LC without DRM). Rock Box is a nice idea. I still haven't gotten around to playing with it on my Sansa e250. If you are willing to delve into Asian web sites, Deal Extreme, Focal Price, etc. have MP3 players of unknown qualities. This one has some intriguing stuff: The not-cheap SartQ V7 is a 7" touchscreen tablet that is supposed to run Ubuntu, Android, and WinCE. It seems to be targetted at displaying videos. The site's forums are interesting. These sites are a great source of earphones. I just bought (knockoff? I cannot tell) Sennheiser Cx400-II phones from FocalPrice for less than Sennheiser was willing to sell me replacement "ear inserts" for my CX300 phones. Others swear by the SoundMagic PL-30 or PL-50s. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 4 19:30:51 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:30:51 -0500 Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? Message-ID: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> As the subject says, does anyone know of any Scottish restaurants in Toronto? I only know of one restaurant, and it's not in Toronto but in Ottawa right across from the Rideau Centre. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 4 19:46:17 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen Dawson) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:46:17 -0500 Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B900E09.6030300@rogers.com> Michael Lauzon wrote: > As the subject says, does anyone know of any Scottish restaurants in > Toronto? I only know of one restaurant, and it's not in Toronto but > in Ottawa right across from the Rideau Centre. > Don't tell us that you want Haggis??? Or is it Rollmops? Or Forfar Bridie ? Good luck Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 4 19:31:24 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:31:24 -0500 Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? Message-ID: <7c50d3571003041131p2ff67e1bq2ab925fa475abcd8@mail.gmail.com> As the subject says, does anyone know of any Scottish restaurants in Toronto? I only know of one restaurant, and it's not in Toronto but in Ottawa right across from the Rideau Centre. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 4 19:53:53 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:53:53 -0500 Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: <4B900E09.6030300-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> <4B900E09.6030300@rogers.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3571003041153u5e444046jdfda0e4e3d3aaa3d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:46, Stephen Dawson wrote: > > Don't tell us that you want Haggis??? > > Or is it Rollmops? > > Or Forfar Bridie ? > > Good luck > Stephen I want Haggis. Rollmops? Never heard of that or the other one you linked to. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 4 20:05:18 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 15:05:18 -0500 Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: <4B900E09.6030300-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> <4B900E09.6030300@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Stephen Dawson wrote: > Michael Lauzon wrote: >> >> As the subject says, does anyone know of any Scottish restaurants in >> Toronto? ?I only know of one restaurant, and it's not in Toronto but >> in Ottawa right across from the Rideau Centre. >> > > Don't tell us that you want Haggis??? > > Or is it Rollmops? > > Or Forfar Bridie ? Well, Scotland has been behind many original culinary inventions ... most of them ghastly and horrid :-) . How about deep fried pizza: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-fried_pizza Then there are deep fried Mars Bars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-fried_Mars_Bar Colin McGregor > Good luck > Stephen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 4 20:13:14 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 15:13:14 -0500 Subject: Nice Linux-Friendly Music Player In-Reply-To: References: <20100302191750.GB19561@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20100304201314.GA31753@yam.witteman.ca> On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 01:45:17PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >| From: William O'Higgins Witteman >| >| My Creative Zen V died a while back, > >Did you find it Linux-friendly? I ended up hacking Gnomad to access >mine (my fixes were accepted into the tree). Did you find something >better? > >I'm not a fan of MTP (I prefer UMS) but that could be prejudice. It worked acceptably with Gnomad2 up until a few weeks ago - then it stopped working with Windows (not recognized) and would cause Gnomad2 to segfault. I found/find MTP to be a pain in the bottom. >I do want small: I carry my Samsung YP-U2J in my pocket all the time. >Things that do video tend to be bigger. The MP860 is not tiny: 3.75"x2.25"x0.5". -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 4 20:04:19 2010 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 15:04:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: <250f3b851003041159t69741e5ese7c2f8b63bbed29c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> <4B900E09.6030300@rogers.com> <250f3b851003041159t69741e5ese7c2f8b63bbed29c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1465.99.253.254.243.1267733059.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Last time I was there (some years ago) the menu was a very curious mixture, pure Toronto Multiculture. I recall Blood Pudding being on the menu. The fish and chips was excellent, I think they were using something like a tempura batter. P. > There's a Hamish's Fish and Chip Restaurant at Pharmacy and St. Clair > that serves decent haggis and chips. Or used to be, it's been a few > years since I visited. Even then the original, presumed Scot, Hamish > had long sold out to a Korean fellow. But the hggis was still good. > -j > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Stephen Dawson > wrote: >> Michael Lauzon wrote: >>> >>> As the subject says, does anyone know of any Scottish restaurants in >>> Toronto? ?I only know of one restaurant, and it's not in Toronto but >>> in Ottawa right across from the Rideau Centre. >>> >> >> Don't tell us that you want Haggis??? >> >> Or is it Rollmops? >> >> Or Forfar Bridie ? >> >> Good luck >> Stephen >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From martjh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 4 19:59:38 2010 From: martjh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Martin) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:59:38 -0500 Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: <4B900E09.6030300-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> <4B900E09.6030300@rogers.com> Message-ID: <250f3b851003041159t69741e5ese7c2f8b63bbed29c@mail.gmail.com> There's a Hamish's Fish and Chip Restaurant at Pharmacy and St. Clair that serves decent haggis and chips. Or used to be, it's been a few years since I visited. Even then the original, presumed Scot, Hamish had long sold out to a Korean fellow. But the hggis was still good. -j On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Stephen Dawson wrote: > Michael Lauzon wrote: >> >> As the subject says, does anyone know of any Scottish restaurants in >> Toronto? ?I only know of one restaurant, and it's not in Toronto but >> in Ottawa right across from the Rideau Centre. >> > > Don't tell us that you want Haggis??? > > Or is it Rollmops? > > Or Forfar Bridie ? > > Good luck > Stephen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 5 01:25:29 2010 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 20:25:29 -0500 Subject: Microsoft exec pitches Internet usage tax to pay for cybersecurity In-Reply-To: <4B905C0A.6040409-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B905C0A.6040409@golden.net> Message-ID: <4B905D89.3080906@golden.net> John Myshrall wrote: > Got to love M$. Got this from Groklaw. > > http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/84717-microsoft-exec-pitches-internet-usage-tax-to-pay-for-cybersecurity-programs > > > Some of the comments are really funny. I did not know that MS own 35 % > of Apple. > > J > > Strike that about M$ ownership, I Googled the answer. Funny that many still believe it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 5 00:51:31 2010 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 19:51:31 -0500 Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100304195131.4j5bbq1544cc04ss@mail.math.yorku.ca> Quoting "D. Hugh Redelmeier" : > H.G. Wells: This is delicious, far superior to that Scottish place I > breakfasted. > Amy Robbins: Scottish? > H.G. Wells: McDonald's. According to Wikipedia, McDonald's commenced operations in 1940; Wells died in '46. So I suppose it's possible. Doesn't seem that likely, though. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 5 01:19:06 2010 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 20:19:06 -0500 Subject: Microsoft exec pitches Internet usage tax to pay for cybersecurity Message-ID: <4B905C0A.6040409@golden.net> Got to love M$. Got this from Groklaw. http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/84717-microsoft-exec-pitches-internet-usage-tax-to-pay-for-cybersecurity-programs Some of the comments are really funny. I did not know that MS own 35 % of Apple. J -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maureen-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 4 20:21:09 2010 From: maureen-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Maureen Thornton) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:21:09 -0500 Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1267734069.7990.1.camel@bliss.ss.org> Try this one: "This might be a bit late, I can state that the ONLY place in the GTA I can properly address cravings for back home food is the St Andrew's Cafe in Scarborough, SW corner of Ellesmere & McCowan. No website, but details are: 416-431-6574; 1589 Ellesmere Road" Hope this helps, I saw it when I was looking for Haggis. On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 14:30 -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: > As the subject says, does anyone know of any Scottish restaurants in > Toronto? I only know of one restaurant, and it's not in Toronto but > in Ottawa right across from the Rideau Centre. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 5 01:02:55 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 20:02:55 -0500 Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: <20100304195131.4j5bbq1544cc04ss-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> <20100304195131.4j5bbq1544cc04ss@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Mike Oliver wrote: > Quoting "D. Hugh Redelmeier" : > >> H.G. Wells: This is delicious, far superior to that Scottish place I >> breakfasted. >> Amy Robbins: Scottish? >> H.G. Wells: McDonald's. > > According to Wikipedia, McDonald's commenced operations in 1940; > Wells died in '46. ?So I suppose it's possible. ?Doesn't seem > that likely, though. The quote is from the movie "Time After Time" which involves H.G. Wells and Jack the Ripper going the "future" via a H.G. Wells built time machine... Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 4 21:12:22 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 16:12:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Michael Lauzon | As the subject says, does anyone know of any Scottish restaurants in | Toronto? There's this really big scottish chain, McDonalds. H.G. Wells: This is delicious, far superior to that Scottish place I breakfasted. Amy Robbins: Scottish? H.G. Wells: McDonald's. [The quote isn't quite as I remember it.] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From brian.carlile-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 4 22:22:55 2010 From: brian.carlile-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Brian Carlile) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:22:55 -0500 Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B9032BF.8080105@primus.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Michael Lauzon > > | As the subject says, does anyone know of any Scottish restaurants in > | Toronto? > > There's this really big scottish chain, McDonalds. > > > > H.G. Wells: This is delicious, far superior to that Scottish place I breakfasted. > Amy Robbins: Scottish? > H.G. Wells: McDonald's. > > [The quote isn't quite as I remember it.] > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > To quote Colin McGregor (who, with a name like that should know) Well, Scotland has been behind many original culinary inventions ... most of them ghastly and horrid :-) As someone who used to perform at the Edinburgh Festival fairly regularly, I have to say there's nothing like a Scottish boarding house breakfast. Tea, toast, cereal, tinned fruit, as the appetiser, Bacon, Egg, Sausage, Black Pudding, White Pudding. Haggis, mushrooms, grilled tomatoes, baked beans, fried bread and hash browns as the main course and coffee, fruit juice, toast and marmalade to wash it all down. Can't comment on lunch or dinner in Edinburgh - just breakfast and straight to the pub after the show. It makes an American diner "all you can eat experience" seem like a special for wimps. If anyone ever finds a mad Scot recreating this experience in the GTA do tell us all and we could try to organise a discount with the ambulance service. - at the command prompt type: apt-get overload! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 5 06:51:03 2010 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 07:51:03 +0100 Subject: Microsoft exec pitches Internet usage tax to pay for cybersecurity In-Reply-To: <4B905D89.3080906-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> (John Myshrall's message of "Thu\, 04 Mar 2010 20\:25\:29 -0500") References: <4B905C0A.6040409@golden.net> <4B905D89.3080906@golden.net> Message-ID: <871vfzs1m0.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> John Myshrall a ?crit profondement: | John Myshrall wrote: | > Got to love M$. Got this from Groklaw. | > | > http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/84717-microsoft-exec-pitches-internet-usage-tax-to-pay-for-cybersecurity-programs | > | > | > Some of the comments are really funny. I did not know that MS own 35 | > % of Apple. | > | > J | > | > | Strike that about M$ ownership, I Googled the answer. Funny that many | still believe it. The 35pc, if I remember correctly, refers to the _DoomsDay Cache_ as it is generally known, or unknown as the case may be. Nope, not December 21, 2012, when, according to the Mayan Calendar, the World will end. And definitely not Apple related. But of other edible commodities, or at least the seeds for producing tthe same. It's the Ultimate Defence of the New World Order to restart Civilization after most of the bio-mass on Earth is destroyed by Iran's Nuclear Bombs or Monsanto's Wonder Seeds or similar Catastrophe. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7529 ;) . -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 5 14:23:06 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 09:23:06 -0500 Subject: Encryption Tools Message-ID: <20100305142306.GA15058@yam.witteman.ca> Does anyone have a resource that gives advice about which: full-disk encryption program to use and online encrypted file drop to use I am looking for something that I can point to so as to justify the choices that I make. 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In the case of your first question, go the OSS route: TrueCrypt, http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 5 15:36:22 2010 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:36:22 -0500 Subject: Encryption Tools In-Reply-To: <20100305142306.GA15058-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100305142306.GA15058@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <92ee967a1003050736t379a5d59r89d18e26420ca95a@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:23 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Does anyone have a resource that gives advice about which: > > full-disk encryption program to use > > and > > online encrypted file drop to use > > I am looking for something that I can point to so as to justify the > choices that I make. ?For the full-disk encryption program, I will want > to have a recommendation for both Windows and Mac laptops. > > Thanks for any advice. I don't have a page on advice, but Hushmail is a very interesting service, both as an actual service and as a discussion of the use of a third party as a secure file drop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hushmail (see the controversy section) ..."Their hearts are in the right place but there are certain kinds of attacks that are beyond the scope of their abilities to thwart. They are not a sovereign state." (Zimmerman) http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/11/pgp-creator-def/ Their secure forms service can be used as a file drop. I have not done it personally because it is their $50/year business service. So no idea about size limits, usability and the like. But the email service is simple to use and effective... within the limits discussed in the controversy. To get beyond that controversy, you need to give up a bit of ease-of-use and encrypt locally, but... that introduces a risk of users getting lazy and failing to encrypt at all. (and I second the vote for Truecrypt for whole-disk-encryption) -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 5 17:09:25 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:09:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Windows 2000 installation disk? Message-ID: Does anyone have an install disk for Win 2000 pro that they would be willing to lend me? Here's the story: I have an old sheetfeed scanner (Canon DR3080c). I got it from freecycle some time ago. No Linux support. Windows support for XP, but I cannot get it to work. So I was going to get rid of it. But just when I was about to, I discovered that there is a now SANE driver for Linux for that family of scanners. It first appeared about a year ago. It does not support my model but the driver author is quite willing to work with me. It has come down to a point where he needs to capture a SCSI stream from a working Windows driver. XP would do, but I cannot get it to work (the driver dates from 2003). I think Win2k would work, but I don't have Win2k. I do have a computer with a Win2k Pro 1-2 CPU license (actually, three such computers). So: if I can borrow an Win2K installation disk, I can help advance Linux. I think that borrowing one should be legitimate since I do have the license. (Not ever having used Win2k, nor installed it, I may be in for a treat.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 5 17:44:06 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:44:06 -0500 Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: <4B900E09.6030300-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> <4B900E09.6030300@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100305174406.GX4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 02:46:17PM -0500, Stephen Dawson wrote: > Michael Lauzon wrote: >> As the subject says, does anyone know of any Scottish restaurants in >> Toronto? I only know of one restaurant, and it's not in Toronto but >> in Ottawa right across from the Rideau Centre. >> > Don't tell us that you want Haggis??? Only a good one. > Or is it Rollmops? Not sure what that is. > Or Forfar Bridie ? Those are yummy. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 5 17:45:09 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:45:09 -0500 Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> <4B900E09.6030300@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100305174509.GY4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 03:05:18PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > Well, Scotland has been behind many original culinary inventions ... > most of them ghastly and horrid :-) . > > How about deep fried pizza: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-fried_pizza Isn't that what panzarotti is? Those are quite nice. > Then there are deep fried Mars Bars: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-fried_Mars_Bar Never tried it. There are places in toronto that do them. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 5 17:46:27 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:46:27 -0500 Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: <1267734069.7990.1.camel-Cc8bTzyuDCFg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> <1267734069.7990.1.camel@bliss.ss.org> Message-ID: <20100305174627.GZ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 03:21:09PM -0500, Maureen Thornton wrote: > Try this one: > "This might be a bit late, I can state that the ONLY place in the GTA I > can properly address cravings for back home food is the St Andrew's Cafe > in Scarborough, SW corner of Ellesmere & McCowan. > > No website, but details are: 416-431-6574; 1589 Ellesmere Road" > > Hope this helps, I saw it when I was looking for Haggis. That sounds like the place my sister recommended to go try a deepfried mars bar. I have not done so yet. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 5 17:52:54 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:52:54 -0500 Subject: Windows 2000 installation disk? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B9144F6.7040804@alteeve.com> On 10-03-05 12:09 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Does anyone have an install disk for Win 2000 pro that they would be > willing to lend me? > > Here's the story: > > I have an old sheetfeed scanner (Canon DR3080c). I got it from freecycle > some time ago. No Linux support. Windows support for XP, but I cannot > get it to work. > > So I was going to get rid of it. But just when I was about to, I > discovered that there is a now SANE driver for Linux for that family > of scanners. It first appeared about a year ago. > > It does not support my model but the driver author is quite willing to > work with me. It has come down to a point where he needs to capture a > SCSI stream from a working Windows driver. XP would do, but I cannot > get it to work (the driver dates from 2003). > > I think Win2k would work, but I don't have Win2k. I do have a > computer with a Win2k Pro 1-2 CPU license (actually, three such > computers). > > So: if I can borrow an Win2K installation disk, I can help advance > Linux. I think that borrowing one should be legitimate since I do > have the license. > > (Not ever having used Win2k, nor installed it, I may be in for a treat.) I've got a copy lying around... Send me an email off-list tonight if you've not heard back from me (or someone else) in case I forget to look for it when I get home. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From martjh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 5 23:25:48 2010 From: martjh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Martin) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 18:25:48 -0500 Subject: Windows 2000 installation disk? In-Reply-To: <4B9144F6.7040804-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B9144F6.7040804@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <250f3b851003051525m3b1d8334u4371b93a612e4c1e@mail.gmail.com> I also can help if other offers fall through. Email me off-list if needed. -j On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Digimer wrote: > On 10-03-05 12:09 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> >> Does anyone have an install disk for Win 2000 pro that they would be >> willing to lend me? >> >> Here's the story: >> >> I have an old sheetfeed scanner (Canon DR3080c). ?I got it from freecycle >> some time ago. ?No Linux support. ?Windows support for XP, but I cannot >> get it to work. >> >> So I was going to get rid of it. ?But just when I was about to, I >> discovered that there is a now SANE driver for Linux for that family >> of scanners. ?It first appeared about a year ago. >> >> It does not support my model but the driver author is quite willing to >> work with me. ?It has come down to a point where he needs to capture a >> SCSI stream from a working Windows driver. ?XP would do, but I cannot >> get it to work (the driver dates from 2003). >> >> I think Win2k would work, but I don't have Win2k. ?I do have a >> computer with a Win2k Pro 1-2 CPU license (actually, three such >> computers). >> >> So: if I can borrow an Win2K installation disk, I can help advance >> Linux. ?I think that borrowing one should be legitimate since I do >> have the license. >> >> (Not ever having used Win2k, nor installed it, I may be in for a treat.) > > I've got a copy lying around... Send me an email off-list tonight if you've > not heard back from me (or someone else) in case I forget to look for it > when I get home. > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 6 02:40:38 2010 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 18:40:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Encryption Tools In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571003050633h36ff32b1s2b44fae96905c9b2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003050633h36ff32b1s2b44fae96905c9b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <718384.68562.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> +1 vote for TrueCrypt, a really amazing tool. For encrypted storage in the cloud I'm happy with Dropbox (dropbox.com), it's free (first 5GB I think), encrypted (you have to trust them on this), works on Windows/Mac/Linux seamlessly and it's versioned. --------------------- Fernando Duran http://www.fduran.com --- On Fri, 3/5/10, Michael Lauzon wrote: > From: Michael Lauzon > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Encryption Tools > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Friday, March 5, 2010, 9:33 AM > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 09:23, William > O'Higgins Witteman > > wrote: > > Does anyone have a resource that gives advice about > which: > > > > full-disk encryption program to use > > > > and > > > > online encrypted file drop to use > > > > I am looking for something that I can point to so as > to justify the > > choices that I make. ?For the full-disk encryption > program, I will want > > to have a recommendation for both Windows and Mac > laptops. > > > > Thanks for any advice. > > -- > > > > yours, > > > > William > > I can answer the first one, but can't answer the second > one.? In the > case of your first question, go the OSS route: > > TrueCrypt, http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads > > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 6 06:41:42 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 01:41:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Windows 2000 installation disk? In-Reply-To: <4B9144F6.7040804-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B9144F6.7040804@alteeve.com> Message-ID: | From: Digimer | | I've got a copy lying around... Send me an email off-list tonight if you've | not heard back from me (or someone else) in case I forget to look for it when | I get home. | From: John Martin | | I also can help if other offers fall through. Email me off-list if needed. -j Thanks, both of you! Beggars being choosers mode: Where and when would it be convenient for a pick-up? That might be a tiebreaker. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 7 16:59:11 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 11:59:11 -0500 Subject: [OT] Where to get stuff fixed? Message-ID: Kind of an outdated concept, I know, but does anyone know of a place for fixing electronic stuff, ie. not just replacing parts, but actually able to fix them? I have a multimedia drive that's a few years old, and it works great but the connector on the back where the power supply plugs in is dodgy, you have to position the plug _just so_ for it to work. It probably just needs soldering or something. Can anyone recommend a place they've used? -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 7 17:13:16 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen Dawson) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 12:13:16 -0500 Subject: [OT] Where to get stuff fixed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B93DEAC.80402@rogers.com> Thomas Milne wrote: > Kind of an outdated concept, I know, but does anyone know of a place > for fixing electronic stuff, ie. not just replacing parts, but > actually able to fix them? > > I have a multimedia drive that's a few years old, and it works great > but the connector on the back where the power supply plugs in is > dodgy, you have to position the plug _just so_ for it to work. It > probably just needs soldering or something. > > Can anyone recommend a place they've used? > > I would post on Craig's List. Hard to get anything fixed for less than $100 these days. Kromer Radio on Bathurst could likely do it. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 7 17:29:52 2010 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 12:29:52 -0500 Subject: [OT] The linked list is patented in the U.S. and not by Knuth Message-ID: <99a6c38f1003070929r4d7584ffsdbce359435ab673@mail.gmail.com> If this was discussed back in '06, my apologies. >From the article: The patent abstract says, ?A computerized list is provided with auxiliary pointers for traversing the list in different sequences. One or more auxiliary pointers enable a fast, sequential traversal of the list with a minimum of computational time. Such lists may be used in any application where lists may be reordered for various purposes.? Patent as listed on google: I've recently been reading some of the CIPO guidance on software patents in Canada[1] and with the "intellectual property" treaties being pursued by the government (ACTA[2], CETA[3]), I'm starting to wonder how long before sharing even the simplest programs will require a licensing budget & lawyers. [1] [2] [3] -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ @psema4 Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 7 17:57:21 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 12:57:21 -0500 Subject: [OT] Where to get stuff fixed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B93E901.8090608@rogers.com> Thomas Milne wrote: > Kind of an outdated concept, I know, but does anyone know of a place > for fixing electronic stuff, ie. not just replacing parts, but > actually able to fix them? > > I have a multimedia drive that's a few years old, and it works great > but the connector on the back where the power supply plugs in is > dodgy, you have to position the plug _just so_ for it to work. It > probably just needs soldering or something. > > Can anyone recommend a place they've used? > > With the cost of equipment these days, repairs often don't make sense. It will cost a significant amount (possibly exceeding purchase price) for a repair shop to just open the box. Then they'll have to find what may be a proprietary part etc. If it is just a bad solder connection, anyone who's handy with a soldering iron and use to working on electronic equipment could do it. On the other hand, if it's a bad connector, then it may be better just to toss that drive, unless you can find a replacement connector at a reasonable price. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 7 18:23:07 2010 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:23:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OT] Where to get stuff fixed? In-Reply-To: <4B93E901.8090608-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B93E901.8090608@rogers.com> Message-ID: <11954.99.253.254.243.1267986187.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > Thomas Milne wrote: >> Kind of an outdated concept, I know, but does anyone know of a place >> for fixing electronic stuff, ie. not just replacing parts, but >> actually able to fix them? >> >> I have a multimedia drive that's a few years old, and it works great >> but the connector on the back where the power supply plugs in is >> dodgy, you have to position the plug _just so_ for it to work. It >> probably just needs soldering or something. >> >> Can anyone recommend a place they've used? >> >> > With the cost of equipment these days, repairs often don't make sense. > It will cost a significant amount (possibly exceeding purchase price) > for a repair shop to just open the box. Then they'll have to find what > may be a proprietary part etc. If it is just a bad solder connection, > anyone who's handy with a soldering iron and use to working on > electronic equipment could do it. On the other hand, if it's a bad > connector, then it may be better just to toss that drive, unless you can > find a replacement connector at a reasonable price. > > -- If you can solder, it's usually worth cracking open the case (if you can figure out how!) to see if it's a simple repair. Also, one of my tech colleagues at Ryerson described pulling a flat streen video display out of the garbage. He replaced the 'poofy capacitors' (the ones that are obviously swollen) and a fuse, and the thing sprang to life. The toughest part, apparently, was figuring out how to open the case. The same tech repair wizard has fixed a number of motherboards with the same approach - it's often the capacitors that fail. It's quite satisfying to keep something like that out of the waste stream. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 7 18:27:53 2010 From: edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (edward chin) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:27:53 -0500 Subject: [OT] Where to get stuff fixed? In-Reply-To: <4B93E901.8090608-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B93E901.8090608@rogers.com> Message-ID: <8369b0fa1003071027h7289c609r227d32ddd2fcd0d1@mail.gmail.com> Find a power 'Y' connector, plug it into the drive and position it so that it works. Then, tape or shim it so that it cannot move. Now you have a new connector at the end of the 'Y'. (A short extention will work, but is harder to find - or, learn to solder; it is easy with some practice.) On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 12:57 PM, James Knott wrote: > Thomas Milne wrote: >> >> Kind of an outdated concept, I know, but does anyone know of a place >> for fixing electronic stuff, ie. not just replacing parts, but >> actually able to fix them? >> >> I have a multimedia drive that's a few years old, and it works great >> but the connector on the back where the power supply plugs in is >> dodgy, you have to position the plug _just so_ for it to work. It >> probably just needs soldering or something. >> >> Can anyone recommend a place they've used? >> >> > > ?On the other hand, if it's a bad connector, then it may be better > just to toss that drive, unless you can find a replacement connector at a > reasonable price. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 7 18:46:44 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:46:44 -0500 Subject: [OT] Where to get stuff fixed? In-Reply-To: <4B93E901.8090608-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B93E901.8090608@rogers.com> Message-ID: 2010/3/7 James Knott : > With the cost of equipment these days, repairs often don't make sense. ?It will cost a significant amount (possibly exceeding purchase price) for a repair shop to just open the box. I saw a report indicating increased mugging rates in Britain for a highly related reason... http://www.metro.co.uk/news/812505-burglaries-fall-as-muggings-rise Things like TV sets and DVD players, which used to be "staple items" for burglary, have gotten so cheap that these items aren't worth stealing, which has evidently already reduced burglaries in the UK. After all, DVD players have shifted from costing hundreds of dollars to the point where most cost less than $100, and you can get something quite serviceable for under $50. If the original cost is $50, then consider: - It depreciates upon taking it out of the box; - A thief will only get a fraction of that. Furthermore, for those of us not interested in theft, it's likely that the $50 DVD player is about as serviceable as the $300 one from 2005, and may even be more useful. This is not helpful to the "fix it" position :-(. More useful to take out the laser from the dead DVD player, and program it it to kill mosquitoes :-). (There was a pretty cool video of this!) -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Pablo Picasso - "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 7 21:50:50 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 16:50:50 -0500 Subject: [OT] Where to get stuff fixed? In-Reply-To: <4B93DEAC.80402-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B93DEAC.80402@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Stephen Dawson wrote: > Thomas Milne wrote: >> >> Kind of an outdated concept, I know, but does anyone know of a place >> for fixing electronic stuff, ie. not just replacing parts, but >> actually able to fix them? >> >> I have a multimedia drive that's a few years old, and it works great >> but the connector on the back where the power supply plugs in is >> dodgy, you have to position the plug _just so_ for it to work. It >> probably just needs soldering or something. >> >> Can anyone recommend a place they've used? >> >> > > I would post on Craig's List. > > Hard to get anything fixed for less than $100 these days. Kromer Radio on > Bathurst could likely do it. > Hey, I've seen that place. Nice, I'll definitely check it out. I don't mind spending a bit, it's a nice portable media drive. Thanks! -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 7 22:07:19 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:07:19 -0500 Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571003041153u5e444046jdfda0e4e3d3aaa3d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> <4B900E09.6030300@rogers.com> <7c50d3571003041153u5e444046jdfda0e4e3d3aaa3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:53, Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:46, Stephen Dawson wrote: >> >> Don't tell us that you want Haggis??? >> >> Or is it Rollmops? >> >> Or Forfar Bridie ? > I want Haggis. ?Rollmops? ?Never heard of that or the other one you linked to. I've had Rollmops at a German restaurant. I don't think they are a Scottish tradition. They're interesting, I believe one should try them once, but definetly not my favourite dish. This Bridie seems what we call in Brazil "empada". So, as I arrived in Toronto Tuesday, if I want to eat an empada, I should try a scottish restaurant instead. Someday I'll try fish & chips, also. But Haggis is the kind of thing I would never eat - I don't eat sausage or bacon... -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 7 22:20:17 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:20:17 -0500 Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: <20100305174406.GX4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> <4B900E09.6030300@rogers.com> <20100305174406.GX4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:44, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> Or is it Rollmops? > > Not sure what that is. Herring filets extremely spicy rolled with an olive inside. They smell really bad, but taste ok. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollmops -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 7 22:20:21 2010 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:20:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> <4B900E09.6030300@rogers.com> <20100305174406.GX4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Mar 2010, Renata Rocha wrote: > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:44, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > >> Or is it Rollmops? > > > > Not sure what that is. > > Herring filets extremely spicy rolled with an olive inside. herring can be described in many ways, but "filets" is not one of them. rday -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 7 22:49:10 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:49:10 -0500 Subject: Frustrated with MediaTomb Message-ID: I'm trying to get MediaTomb working with my PS3. I got it installed fine, and the PS3 has no trouble seeing the server. The problem is getting the MediaTomb UI to see the server so I can add my media. Every time I try to access the Filesystem icon, I get an error about MediaTomb cannot be reached! Please check if the server is still running. I've waded through the FAQ, Google and the like, but I have no idea what the problem is. Currently the server is running on startup, from /etc/init.d. Most of the documentation, for some reason, refers to mediatomb being started as a normal user. Also, the documentation refers to the web UI address being printed in the output when run manually. I don't see this at all. Also, since the PS3 can see the server, my problem is NOT that the server isn't running, right? Before I jump onto their forums, can someone spare me a quick tip? I have a feeling I'm close, missing something minor but critical. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 7 22:51:10 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:51:10 -0500 Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> <4B900E09.6030300@rogers.com> <20100305174406.GX4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 17:20, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Sun, 7 Mar 2010, Renata Rocha wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:44, Lennart Sorensen >> wrote: >> >> >> Or is it Rollmops? >> > >> > Not sure what that is. >> >> Herring filets extremely spicy rolled with an olive inside. > > ?herring can be described in many ways, but "filets" is not one of > them. What's your definition of fish filets? I believe when they take out the spine/head, cut in halves, you have a filet. Even if it's small like a herring. -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 7 23:09:23 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:09:23 -0500 Subject: Frustrated with MediaTomb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B943223.6040804@rogers.com> Thomas Milne wrote: > I'm trying to get MediaTomb working with my PS3. I got it installed > fine, and the PS3 has no trouble seeing the server. The problem is > getting the MediaTomb UI to see the server so I can add my media. > Every time I try to access the Filesystem icon, I get an error about > > MediaTomb cannot be reached! Please check if the server is still running. > > I've waded through the FAQ, Google and the like, but I have no idea > what the problem is. Currently the server is running on startup, from > /etc/init.d. Most of the documentation, for some reason, refers to > mediatomb being started as a normal user. Also, the documentation > refers to the web UI address being printed in the output when run > manually. I don't see this at all. Also, since the PS3 can see the > server, my problem is NOT that the server isn't running, right? > > Before I jump onto their forums, can someone spare me a quick tip? I > have a feeling I'm close, missing something minor but critical. > > I suggest you stop MT and run from your user terminal. Make sure you get something like this: stephen at roissy:~$ mediatomb MediaTomb UPnP Server version 0.12.0 - http://mediatomb.cc/ =============================================================================== Copyright 2005-2008 Gena Batsyan, Sergey Bostandzhyan, Leonhard Wimmer. MediaTomb is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License version 2 2010-03-07 17:58:25 INFO: Loading configuration from: /home/stephen/.mediatomb/config.xml 2010-03-07 17:58:25 INFO: Checking configuration... 2010-03-07 17:58:25 INFO: Setting filesystem import charset to UTF-8 2010-03-07 17:58:25 INFO: Setting metadata import charset to UTF-8 2010-03-07 17:58:25 INFO: Setting playlist charset to UTF-8 2010-03-07 17:58:25 INFO: Configuration check succeeded. 2010-03-07 17:58:25 INFO: Initialized port: 49154 2010-03-07 17:58:25 INFO: Server bound to: 192.168.0.50 2010-03-07 17:58:26 INFO: MediaTomb Web UI can be reached by following this link: 2010-03-07 17:58:26 INFO: http://192.168.0.50:49154/ 2010-03-07 17:58:55 INFO: thread cleanup; thread_id=-1235928208 Pay attention the IP address and port. You need to add these in your browser. In the config.xml file you should have a line like: /home/stephen/.mediatomb This should allow navigation on the PS3 through your file system making adding your media to the database unnecessary. It took me a while to get everything working, because my music is in .flac files and I had to transcode to pcm. But the quality is outstanding and the effort was worth it. Keep me posted. Cheers Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 7 23:36:40 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 18:36:40 -0500 Subject: Frustrated with MediaTomb In-Reply-To: <4B943223.6040804-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B943223.6040804@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Stephen wrote: > Thomas Milne wrote: >> >> I'm trying to get MediaTomb working with my PS3. I got it installed >> fine, and the PS3 has no trouble seeing the server. The problem is >> getting the MediaTomb UI to see the server so I can add my media. >> Every time I try to access the Filesystem icon, I get an error about >> >> MediaTomb cannot be reached! Please check if the server is still running. >> >> I've waded through the FAQ, Google and the like, but I have no idea >> what the problem is. Currently the server is running on startup, from >> /etc/init.d. Most of the documentation, for some reason, refers to >> mediatomb being started as a normal user. Also, the documentation >> refers to the web UI address being printed in the output when run >> manually. I don't see this at all. Also, since the PS3 can see the >> server, my problem is NOT that the server isn't running, right? >> >> Before I jump onto their forums, can someone spare me a quick tip? I >> have a feeling I'm close, missing something minor but critical. >> >> > > I suggest you stop MT and run from your user terminal. Make sure you get > something like this: > > stephen at roissy:~$ mediatomb > > MediaTomb UPnP Server version 0.12.0 - http://mediatomb.cc/ > > =============================================================================== > Copyright 2005-2008 Gena Batsyan, Sergey Bostandzhyan, Leonhard Wimmer. > MediaTomb is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License > version 2 > > 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Loading configuration from: > /home/stephen/.mediatomb/config.xml > 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Checking configuration... > 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting filesystem import charset to UTF-8 > 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting metadata import charset to UTF-8 > 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting playlist charset to UTF-8 > 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Configuration check succeeded. > 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Initialized port: 49154 > 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Server bound to: 192.168.0.50 > 2010-03-07 17:58:26 ? ?INFO: MediaTomb Web UI can be reached by following > this link: > 2010-03-07 17:58:26 ? ?INFO: http://192.168.0.50:49154/ > 2010-03-07 17:58:55 ? ?INFO: thread cleanup; thread_id=-1235928208 > > Pay attention the IP address and port. You need to add these in your > browser. > > > In the config.xml file you should have a line like: > > ? /home/stephen/.mediatomb > > This should allow navigation on the PS3 through your file system making > adding your media to the database unnecessary. > > It took me a while to get everything working, because my music is in .flac > files and I had to transcode to pcm. But the quality is outstanding and the > effort was worth it. > > Keep me posted. > I found that I had better results with just using localhost instead of my IP. Don't know why but when I went in that way, it worked normally. Now, this Mediatomb is _crazy_. I must have hit the wrong button, because when I looked at MT through the PS3, it had added all of the content from my HD, as well as two connected USB drives. Everything! LOL, what a mess! I mv'd the database file and started over, much more sane when you add one thing at a time. I'll definitely take your advice and run it as a normal user, though, it's at least a lot easier to play with the config and so on. Many thanks! -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 7 23:37:06 2010 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 23:37:06 +0000 Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com>,<4B900E09.6030300@rogers.com> <7c50d3571003041153u5e444046jdfda0e4e3d3aaa3d@mail.gmail.com>, Message-ID: Congratulations, you finally got here... There's a little informal, quick-order, inexpensive Brazilian/Portuguese restaurant on the north side of Bloor, a little east of Dufferin St. You might get empada there. They vary the dishes every day, so can't be sure what they will serve on any given day. I used to take some training courses near Bloor and Dufferin and always had lunch there, no matter how many days of training I had. A week of training meant 5 lunches there - loved every one of them. I haven't been there for a while, sure hope they are still thriving... John. > From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:07:19 -0500 > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:53, Michael Lauzon wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:46, Stephen Dawson wrote: > >> > >> Don't tell us that you want Haggis??? > >> > >> Or is it Rollmops? > >> > >> Or Forfar Bridie ? > > > I want Haggis. Rollmops? Never heard of that or the other one you linked to. > > I've had Rollmops at a German restaurant. I don't think they are a > Scottish tradition. They're interesting, I believe one should try them > once, but definetly not my favourite dish. > > This Bridie seems what we call in Brazil "empada". So, as I arrived in > Toronto Tuesday, if I want to eat an empada, I should try a scottish > restaurant instead. > > Someday I'll try fish & chips, also. But Haggis is the kind of thing I > would never eat - I don't eat sausage or bacon... > > -- > Renata Rocha > re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org > http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rafael.carneiro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 00:13:21 2010 From: rafael.carneiro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rafael Carneiro) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:13:21 -0500 Subject: Frustrated with MediaTomb In-Reply-To: References: <4B943223.6040804@rogers.com> Message-ID: I've been using ps3mediaserver for a while and highly recommend it: http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/ I tried many others before I found it to be just what I needed. Cheers, Rafael On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Stephen wrote: >> Thomas Milne wrote: >>> >>> I'm trying to get MediaTomb working with my PS3. I got it installed >>> fine, and the PS3 has no trouble seeing the server. The problem is >>> getting the MediaTomb UI to see the server so I can add my media. >>> Every time I try to access the Filesystem icon, I get an error about >>> >>> MediaTomb cannot be reached! Please check if the server is still running. >>> >>> I've waded through the FAQ, Google and the like, but I have no idea >>> what the problem is. Currently the server is running on startup, from >>> /etc/init.d. Most of the documentation, for some reason, refers to >>> mediatomb being started as a normal user. Also, the documentation >>> refers to the web UI address being printed in the output when run >>> manually. I don't see this at all. Also, since the PS3 can see the >>> server, my problem is NOT that the server isn't running, right? >>> >>> Before I jump onto their forums, can someone spare me a quick tip? I >>> have a feeling I'm close, missing something minor but critical. >>> >>> >> >> I suggest you stop MT and run from your user terminal. Make sure you get >> something like this: >> >> stephen at roissy:~$ mediatomb >> >> MediaTomb UPnP Server version 0.12.0 - http://mediatomb.cc/ >> >> =============================================================================== >> Copyright 2005-2008 Gena Batsyan, Sergey Bostandzhyan, Leonhard Wimmer. >> MediaTomb is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License >> version 2 >> >> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Loading configuration from: >> /home/stephen/.mediatomb/config.xml >> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Checking configuration... >> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting filesystem import charset to UTF-8 >> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting metadata import charset to UTF-8 >> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting playlist charset to UTF-8 >> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Configuration check succeeded. >> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Initialized port: 49154 >> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Server bound to: 192.168.0.50 >> 2010-03-07 17:58:26 ? ?INFO: MediaTomb Web UI can be reached by following >> this link: >> 2010-03-07 17:58:26 ? ?INFO: http://192.168.0.50:49154/ >> 2010-03-07 17:58:55 ? ?INFO: thread cleanup; thread_id=-1235928208 >> >> Pay attention the IP address and port. You need to add these in your >> browser. >> >> >> In the config.xml file you should have a line like: >> >> ? /home/stephen/.mediatomb >> >> This should allow navigation on the PS3 through your file system making >> adding your media to the database unnecessary. >> >> It took me a while to get everything working, because my music is in .flac >> files and I had to transcode to pcm. But the quality is outstanding and the >> effort was worth it. >> >> Keep me posted. >> > > I found that I had better results with just using localhost instead of > my IP. Don't know why but when I went in that way, it worked normally. > > Now, this Mediatomb is _crazy_. I must have hit the wrong button, > because when I looked at MT through the PS3, it had added all of the > content from my HD, as well as two connected USB drives. Everything! > > LOL, what a mess! > > I mv'd the database file and started over, much more sane when you add > one thing at a time. > > I'll definitely take your advice and run it as a normal user, though, > it's at least a lot easier to play with the config and so on. > > Many thanks! > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 00:25:52 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:25:52 -0500 Subject: [OT] Where to get stuff fixed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100308002552.GA29386@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 11:59:11AM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: > Kind of an outdated concept, I know, but does anyone know of a place > for fixing electronic stuff, ie. not just replacing parts, but > actually able to fix them? > > I have a multimedia drive that's a few years old, and it works great > but the connector on the back where the power supply plugs in is > dodgy, you have to position the plug _just so_ for it to work. It > probably just needs soldering or something. > > Can anyone recommend a place they've used? If it's soldering problem, then it should be simple to fix. You'll have to weigh the cost of getting soldering iron (and solder) vs. getting a new drive. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 01:49:35 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 20:49:35 -0500 Subject: Frustrated with MediaTomb In-Reply-To: <4B943223.6040804-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B943223.6040804@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Stephen wrote: > Thomas Milne wrote: >> >> I'm trying to get MediaTomb working with my PS3. I got it installed >> fine, and the PS3 has no trouble seeing the server. The problem is >> getting the MediaTomb UI to see the server so I can add my media. >> Every time I try to access the Filesystem icon, I get an error about >> >> MediaTomb cannot be reached! Please check if the server is still running. >> >> I've waded through the FAQ, Google and the like, but I have no idea >> what the problem is. Currently the server is running on startup, from >> /etc/init.d. Most of the documentation, for some reason, refers to >> mediatomb being started as a normal user. Also, the documentation >> refers to the web UI address being printed in the output when run >> manually. I don't see this at all. Also, since the PS3 can see the >> server, my problem is NOT that the server isn't running, right? >> >> Before I jump onto their forums, can someone spare me a quick tip? I >> have a feeling I'm close, missing something minor but critical. >> >> > > I suggest you stop MT and run from your user terminal. Make sure you get > something like this: > > stephen at roissy:~$ mediatomb > > MediaTomb UPnP Server version 0.12.0 - http://mediatomb.cc/ > > =============================================================================== > Copyright 2005-2008 Gena Batsyan, Sergey Bostandzhyan, Leonhard Wimmer. > MediaTomb is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License > version 2 > > 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Loading configuration from: > /home/stephen/.mediatomb/config.xml > 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Checking configuration... > 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting filesystem import charset to UTF-8 > 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting metadata import charset to UTF-8 > 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting playlist charset to UTF-8 > 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Configuration check succeeded. > 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Initialized port: 49154 > 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Server bound to: 192.168.0.50 > 2010-03-07 17:58:26 ? ?INFO: MediaTomb Web UI can be reached by following > this link: > 2010-03-07 17:58:26 ? ?INFO: http://192.168.0.50:49154/ > 2010-03-07 17:58:55 ? ?INFO: thread cleanup; thread_id=-1235928208 > > Pay attention the IP address and port. You need to add these in your > browser. I get this: joehill at node1:~$ mediatomb mediatomb: /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavformat.so.52: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libffmpegthumbnailer.so.3) mediatomb: /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavcodec.so.52: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libffmpegthumbnailer.so.3) MediaTomb UPnP Server version 0.12.0 - http://mediatomb.cc/ =============================================================================== Copyright 2005-2008 Gena Batsyan, Sergey Bostandzhyan, Leonhard Wimmer. MediaTomb is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License version 2 2010-03-07 20:36:10 INFO: Loading configuration from: /home/joehill/.mediatomb/config.xml 2010-03-07 20:36:10 INFO: Checking configuration... 2010-03-07 20:36:10 INFO: Setting filesystem import charset to UTF-8 2010-03-07 20:36:10 INFO: Setting metadata import charset to UTF-8 2010-03-07 20:36:10 INFO: Setting playlist charset to UTF-8 2010-03-07 20:36:10 INFO: Configuration check succeeded. 2010-03-07 20:36:11 ERROR: Error while accessing sqlite database file (/var/lib/mediatomb/mediatomb.db): Permission denied > > In the config.xml file you should have a line like: Ah, okay, that's why, it works now :-) > ? /home/stephen/.mediatomb > > This should allow navigation on the PS3 through your file system making > adding your media to the database unnecessary. Well, it shows me only 'PC Directory', and no titles. That's okay, because I'm not sure if I'd want it showing the contents of my home dir on the PS3 :-\ I would _love_ it if there was some way to show the directory structure of my media drive, but it only seems to show one level up or down, so it's kind of a mess, especially if there is a duplicate, ie. if i have /shows/30_rock/season_1 and /shows/american_dad/season_1 I only see one of them. > It took me a while to get everything working, because my music is in .flac > files and I had to transcode to pcm. But the quality is outstanding and the > effort was worth it. > > Keep me posted. > Still hackin' away... -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 02:07:32 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 21:07:32 -0500 Subject: Frustrated with MediaTomb In-Reply-To: References: <4B943223.6040804@rogers.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8881003071807p50c5963aq66bd2c52e54b9497@mail.gmail.com> Just thought to let you know, I also use ps3 media server and it works perfectly for me and is very easy to use. I love it, you may wanna try it out. On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Rafael Carneiro wrote: > I've been using ps3mediaserver for a while and highly recommend it: > http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/ > > I tried many others before I found it to be just what I needed. > > Cheers, > Rafael > > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Stephen wrote: >>> Thomas Milne wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm trying to get MediaTomb working with my PS3. I got it installed >>>> fine, and the PS3 has no trouble seeing the server. The problem is >>>> getting the MediaTomb UI to see the server so I can add my media. >>>> Every time I try to access the Filesystem icon, I get an error about >>>> >>>> MediaTomb cannot be reached! Please check if the server is still running. >>>> >>>> I've waded through the FAQ, Google and the like, but I have no idea >>>> what the problem is. Currently the server is running on startup, from >>>> /etc/init.d. Most of the documentation, for some reason, refers to >>>> mediatomb being started as a normal user. Also, the documentation >>>> refers to the web UI address being printed in the output when run >>>> manually. I don't see this at all. Also, since the PS3 can see the >>>> server, my problem is NOT that the server isn't running, right? >>>> >>>> Before I jump onto their forums, can someone spare me a quick tip? I >>>> have a feeling I'm close, missing something minor but critical. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I suggest you stop MT and run from your user terminal. Make sure you get >>> something like this: >>> >>> stephen at roissy:~$ mediatomb >>> >>> MediaTomb UPnP Server version 0.12.0 - http://mediatomb.cc/ >>> >>> =============================================================================== >>> Copyright 2005-2008 Gena Batsyan, Sergey Bostandzhyan, Leonhard Wimmer. >>> MediaTomb is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License >>> version 2 >>> >>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Loading configuration from: >>> /home/stephen/.mediatomb/config.xml >>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Checking configuration... >>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting filesystem import charset to UTF-8 >>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting metadata import charset to UTF-8 >>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting playlist charset to UTF-8 >>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Configuration check succeeded. >>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Initialized port: 49154 >>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Server bound to: 192.168.0.50 >>> 2010-03-07 17:58:26 ? ?INFO: MediaTomb Web UI can be reached by following >>> this link: >>> 2010-03-07 17:58:26 ? ?INFO: http://192.168.0.50:49154/ >>> 2010-03-07 17:58:55 ? ?INFO: thread cleanup; thread_id=-1235928208 >>> >>> Pay attention the IP address and port. You need to add these in your >>> browser. >>> >>> >>> In the config.xml file you should have a line like: >>> >>> ? /home/stephen/.mediatomb >>> >>> This should allow navigation on the PS3 through your file system making >>> adding your media to the database unnecessary. >>> >>> It took me a while to get everything working, because my music is in .flac >>> files and I had to transcode to pcm. But the quality is outstanding and the >>> effort was worth it. >>> >>> Keep me posted. >>> >> >> I found that I had better results with just using localhost instead of >> my IP. Don't know why but when I went in that way, it worked normally. >> >> Now, this Mediatomb is _crazy_. I must have hit the wrong button, >> because when I looked at MT through the PS3, it had added all of the >> content from my HD, as well as two connected USB drives. Everything! >> >> LOL, what a mess! >> >> I mv'd the database file and started over, much more sane when you add >> one thing at a time. >> >> I'll definitely take your advice and run it as a normal user, though, >> it's at least a lot easier to play with the config and so on. >> >> Many thanks! >> >> -- >> TBM >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 02:19:16 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 21:19:16 -0500 Subject: Frustrated with MediaTomb In-Reply-To: <32f6a8881003071807p50c5963aq66bd2c52e54b9497-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B943223.6040804@rogers.com> <32f6a8881003071807p50c5963aq66bd2c52e54b9497@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, I might give that a shot. The thing I see on their page that just blows my mind is 'Real-time video transcoding of MKV/FLV/OGM/AVI, etc.' I can't believe my computer could do that, but I'd be curious to see it try ;) Does that mean that the PS3, instead of showing 'unsupported', would actually show it as playable? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Just thought to let you know, I also use ps3 media server and it works > perfectly for me and is very easy to use. > > I love it, you may wanna try it out. > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Rafael Carneiro > wrote: >> I've been using ps3mediaserver for a while and highly recommend it: >> http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/ >> >> I tried many others before I found it to be just what I needed. >> >> Cheers, >> Rafael >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Thomas Milne >> wrote: >>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Stephen wrote: >>>> Thomas Milne wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm trying to get MediaTomb working with my PS3. I got it installed >>>>> fine, and the PS3 has no trouble seeing the server. The problem is >>>>> getting the MediaTomb UI to see the server so I can add my media. >>>>> Every time I try to access the Filesystem icon, I get an error about >>>>> >>>>> MediaTomb cannot be reached! Please check if the server is still running. >>>>> >>>>> I've waded through the FAQ, Google and the like, but I have no idea >>>>> what the problem is. Currently the server is running on startup, from >>>>> /etc/init.d. Most of the documentation, for some reason, refers to >>>>> mediatomb being started as a normal user. Also, the documentation >>>>> refers to the web UI address being printed in the output when run >>>>> manually. I don't see this at all. Also, since the PS3 can see the >>>>> server, my problem is NOT that the server isn't running, right? >>>>> >>>>> Before I jump onto their forums, can someone spare me a quick tip? I >>>>> have a feeling I'm close, missing something minor but critical. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> I suggest you stop MT and run from your user terminal. Make sure you get >>>> something like this: >>>> >>>> stephen at roissy:~$ mediatomb >>>> >>>> MediaTomb UPnP Server version 0.12.0 - http://mediatomb.cc/ >>>> >>>> =============================================================================== >>>> Copyright 2005-2008 Gena Batsyan, Sergey Bostandzhyan, Leonhard Wimmer. >>>> MediaTomb is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License >>>> version 2 >>>> >>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Loading configuration from: >>>> /home/stephen/.mediatomb/config.xml >>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Checking configuration... >>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting filesystem import charset to UTF-8 >>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting metadata import charset to UTF-8 >>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting playlist charset to UTF-8 >>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Configuration check succeeded. >>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Initialized port: 49154 >>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Server bound to: 192.168.0.50 >>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:26 ? ?INFO: MediaTomb Web UI can be reached by following >>>> this link: >>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:26 ? ?INFO: http://192.168.0.50:49154/ >>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:55 ? ?INFO: thread cleanup; thread_id=-1235928208 >>>> >>>> Pay attention the IP address and port. You need to add these in your >>>> browser. >>>> >>>> >>>> In the config.xml file you should have a line like: >>>> >>>> ? /home/stephen/.mediatomb >>>> >>>> This should allow navigation on the PS3 through your file system making >>>> adding your media to the database unnecessary. >>>> >>>> It took me a while to get everything working, because my music is in .flac >>>> files and I had to transcode to pcm. But the quality is outstanding and the >>>> effort was worth it. >>>> >>>> Keep me posted. >>>> >>> >>> I found that I had better results with just using localhost instead of >>> my IP. Don't know why but when I went in that way, it worked normally. >>> >>> Now, this Mediatomb is _crazy_. I must have hit the wrong button, >>> because when I looked at MT through the PS3, it had added all of the >>> content from my HD, as well as two connected USB drives. Everything! >>> >>> LOL, what a mess! >>> >>> I mv'd the database file and started over, much more sane when you add >>> one thing at a time. >>> >>> I'll definitely take your advice and run it as a normal user, though, >>> it's at least a lot easier to play with the config and so on. >>> >>> Many thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> TBM >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > > > > Dave Germiquet > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 02:28:32 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 21:28:32 -0500 Subject: Frustrated with MediaTomb In-Reply-To: References: <4B943223.6040804@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Stephen wrote: >> Thomas Milne wrote: >>> >>> I'm trying to get MediaTomb working with my PS3. I got it installed >>> fine, and the PS3 has no trouble seeing the server. The problem is >>> getting the MediaTomb UI to see the server so I can add my media. >>> Every time I try to access the Filesystem icon, I get an error about >>> >>> MediaTomb cannot be reached! Please check if the server is still running. >>> >>> I've waded through the FAQ, Google and the like, but I have no idea >>> what the problem is. Currently the server is running on startup, from >>> /etc/init.d. Most of the documentation, for some reason, refers to >>> mediatomb being started as a normal user. Also, the documentation >>> refers to the web UI address being printed in the output when run >>> manually. I don't see this at all. Also, since the PS3 can see the >>> server, my problem is NOT that the server isn't running, right? >>> >>> Before I jump onto their forums, can someone spare me a quick tip? I >>> have a feeling I'm close, missing something minor but critical. >>> >>> >> >> I suggest you stop MT and run from your user terminal. Make sure you get >> something like this: >> >> stephen at roissy:~$ mediatomb >> >> MediaTomb UPnP Server version 0.12.0 - http://mediatomb.cc/ >> >> =============================================================================== >> Copyright 2005-2008 Gena Batsyan, Sergey Bostandzhyan, Leonhard Wimmer. >> MediaTomb is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License >> version 2 >> >> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Loading configuration from: >> /home/stephen/.mediatomb/config.xml >> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Checking configuration... >> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting filesystem import charset to UTF-8 >> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting metadata import charset to UTF-8 >> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting playlist charset to UTF-8 >> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Configuration check succeeded. >> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Initialized port: 49154 >> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Server bound to: 192.168.0.50 >> 2010-03-07 17:58:26 ? ?INFO: MediaTomb Web UI can be reached by following >> this link: >> 2010-03-07 17:58:26 ? ?INFO: http://192.168.0.50:49154/ >> 2010-03-07 17:58:55 ? ?INFO: thread cleanup; thread_id=-1235928208 >> >> Pay attention the IP address and port. You need to add these in your >> browser. > > I get this: > > joehill at node1:~$ mediatomb > mediatomb: /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavformat.so.52: no version > information available (required by /usr/lib/libffmpegthumbnailer.so.3) > mediatomb: /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavcodec.so.52: no version information > available (required by /usr/lib/libffmpegthumbnailer.so.3) > > MediaTomb UPnP Server version 0.12.0 - http://mediatomb.cc/ > > =============================================================================== > Copyright 2005-2008 Gena Batsyan, Sergey Bostandzhyan, Leonhard Wimmer. > MediaTomb is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License version 2 > > 2010-03-07 20:36:10 ? ?INFO: Loading configuration from: > /home/joehill/.mediatomb/config.xml > 2010-03-07 20:36:10 ? ?INFO: Checking configuration... > 2010-03-07 20:36:10 ? ?INFO: Setting filesystem import charset to UTF-8 > 2010-03-07 20:36:10 ? ?INFO: Setting metadata import charset to UTF-8 > 2010-03-07 20:36:10 ? ?INFO: Setting playlist charset to UTF-8 > 2010-03-07 20:36:10 ? ?INFO: Configuration check succeeded. > 2010-03-07 20:36:11 ? ERROR: Error while accessing sqlite database > file (/var/lib/mediatomb/mediatomb.db): Permission denied > >> >> In the config.xml file you should have a line like: > > Ah, okay, that's why, it works now :-) > >> ? /home/stephen/.mediatomb >> >> This should allow navigation on the PS3 through your file system making >> adding your media to the database unnecessary. > > Well, it shows me only 'PC Directory', and no titles. That's okay, > because I'm not sure if I'd want it showing the contents of my home > dir on the PS3 :-\ > > I would _love_ it if there was some way to show the directory > structure of my media drive, but it only seems to show one level up or > down, so it's kind of a mess, especially if there is a duplicate, ie. > > if i have /shows/30_rock/season_1 > > and /shows/american_dad/season_1 > > I only see one of them. Got around this with using -a on the command line, and adding the directories I want there. Works fine so far, shows the full directory structure. Looking now to see if I can 'automate' that in the config file or something. >> It took me a while to get everything working, because my music is in .flac >> files and I had to transcode to pcm. But the quality is outstanding and the >> effort was worth it. >> >> Keep me posted. >> > > Still hackin' away... > > -- > TBM > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 03:54:53 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 22:54:53 -0500 Subject: Frustrated with MediaTomb In-Reply-To: References: <4B943223.6040804@rogers.com> <32f6a8881003071807p50c5963aq66bd2c52e54b9497@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8881003071954u1f1fffb5mf627bf5a8a5f7f12@mail.gmail.com> Yup. I use it all the time on my system. Its great. MKV x264 all xvid/divx On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > Thanks, I might give that a shot. The thing I see on their page that > just blows my mind is 'Real-time video transcoding of MKV/FLV/OGM/AVI, > etc.' I can't believe my computer could do that, but I'd be curious to > see it try ;) > > Does that mean that the PS3, instead of showing 'unsupported', would > actually show it as playable? > > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> Just thought to let you know, I also use ps3 media server and it works >> perfectly for me and is very easy to use. >> >> I love it, you may wanna try it out. >> >> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Rafael Carneiro >> wrote: >>> I've been using ps3mediaserver for a while and highly recommend it: >>> http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/ >>> >>> I tried many others before I found it to be just what I needed. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Rafael >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Thomas Milne >>> wrote: >>>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Stephen wrote: >>>>> Thomas Milne wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm trying to get MediaTomb working with my PS3. I got it installed >>>>>> fine, and the PS3 has no trouble seeing the server. The problem is >>>>>> getting the MediaTomb UI to see the server so I can add my media. >>>>>> Every time I try to access the Filesystem icon, I get an error about >>>>>> >>>>>> MediaTomb cannot be reached! Please check if the server is still running. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've waded through the FAQ, Google and the like, but I have no idea >>>>>> what the problem is. Currently the server is running on startup, from >>>>>> /etc/init.d. Most of the documentation, for some reason, refers to >>>>>> mediatomb being started as a normal user. Also, the documentation >>>>>> refers to the web UI address being printed in the output when run >>>>>> manually. I don't see this at all. Also, since the PS3 can see the >>>>>> server, my problem is NOT that the server isn't running, right? >>>>>> >>>>>> Before I jump onto their forums, can someone spare me a quick tip? I >>>>>> have a feeling I'm close, missing something minor but critical. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I suggest you stop MT and run from your user terminal. Make sure you get >>>>> something like this: >>>>> >>>>> stephen at roissy:~$ mediatomb >>>>> >>>>> MediaTomb UPnP Server version 0.12.0 - http://mediatomb.cc/ >>>>> >>>>> =============================================================================== >>>>> Copyright 2005-2008 Gena Batsyan, Sergey Bostandzhyan, Leonhard Wimmer. >>>>> MediaTomb is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License >>>>> version 2 >>>>> >>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Loading configuration from: >>>>> /home/stephen/.mediatomb/config.xml >>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Checking configuration... >>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting filesystem import charset to UTF-8 >>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting metadata import charset to UTF-8 >>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting playlist charset to UTF-8 >>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Configuration check succeeded. >>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Initialized port: 49154 >>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Server bound to: 192.168.0.50 >>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:26 ? ?INFO: MediaTomb Web UI can be reached by following >>>>> this link: >>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:26 ? ?INFO: http://192.168.0.50:49154/ >>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:55 ? ?INFO: thread cleanup; thread_id=-1235928208 >>>>> >>>>> Pay attention the IP address and port. You need to add these in your >>>>> browser. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In the config.xml file you should have a line like: >>>>> >>>>> ? /home/stephen/.mediatomb >>>>> >>>>> This should allow navigation on the PS3 through your file system making >>>>> adding your media to the database unnecessary. >>>>> >>>>> It took me a while to get everything working, because my music is in .flac >>>>> files and I had to transcode to pcm. But the quality is outstanding and the >>>>> effort was worth it. >>>>> >>>>> Keep me posted. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I found that I had better results with just using localhost instead of >>>> my IP. Don't know why but when I went in that way, it worked normally. >>>> >>>> Now, this Mediatomb is _crazy_. I must have hit the wrong button, >>>> because when I looked at MT through the PS3, it had added all of the >>>> content from my HD, as well as two connected USB drives. Everything! >>>> >>>> LOL, what a mess! >>>> >>>> I mv'd the database file and started over, much more sane when you add >>>> one thing at a time. >>>> >>>> I'll definitely take your advice and run it as a normal user, though, >>>> it's at least a lot easier to play with the config and so on. >>>> >>>> Many thanks! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> TBM >>>> -- >>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>> >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Dave Germiquet >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 04:09:27 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 23:09:27 -0500 Subject: Frustrated with MediaTomb In-Reply-To: <32f6a8881003071954u1f1fffb5mf627bf5a8a5f7f12-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B943223.6040804@rogers.com> <32f6a8881003071807p50c5963aq66bd2c52e54b9497@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8881003071954u1f1fffb5mf627bf5a8a5f7f12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Now. what is your system like, though? I'm on an ancient and crappy P4 2.6 :-\ On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Yup. I use it all the time on my system. Its great. MKV x264 all xvid/divx > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> Thanks, I might give that a shot. The thing I see on their page that >> just blows my mind is 'Real-time video transcoding of MKV/FLV/OGM/AVI, >> etc.' I can't believe my computer could do that, but I'd be curious to >> see it try ;) >> >> Does that mean that the PS3, instead of showing 'unsupported', would >> actually show it as playable? >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: >>> Just thought to let you know, I also use ps3 media server and it works >>> perfectly for me and is very easy to use. >>> >>> I love it, you may wanna try it out. >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Rafael Carneiro >>> wrote: >>>> I've been using ps3mediaserver for a while and highly recommend it: >>>> http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/ >>>> >>>> I tried many others before I found it to be just what I needed. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Rafael >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Thomas Milne >>>> wrote: >>>>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Stephen wrote: >>>>>> Thomas Milne wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm trying to get MediaTomb working with my PS3. I got it installed >>>>>>> fine, and the PS3 has no trouble seeing the server. The problem is >>>>>>> getting the MediaTomb UI to see the server so I can add my media. >>>>>>> Every time I try to access the Filesystem icon, I get an error about >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MediaTomb cannot be reached! Please check if the server is still running. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've waded through the FAQ, Google and the like, but I have no idea >>>>>>> what the problem is. Currently the server is running on startup, from >>>>>>> /etc/init.d. Most of the documentation, for some reason, refers to >>>>>>> mediatomb being started as a normal user. Also, the documentation >>>>>>> refers to the web UI address being printed in the output when run >>>>>>> manually. I don't see this at all. Also, since the PS3 can see the >>>>>>> server, my problem is NOT that the server isn't running, right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before I jump onto their forums, can someone spare me a quick tip? I >>>>>>> have a feeling I'm close, missing something minor but critical. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I suggest you stop MT and run from your user terminal. Make sure you get >>>>>> something like this: >>>>>> >>>>>> stephen at roissy:~$ mediatomb >>>>>> >>>>>> MediaTomb UPnP Server version 0.12.0 - http://mediatomb.cc/ >>>>>> >>>>>> =============================================================================== >>>>>> Copyright 2005-2008 Gena Batsyan, Sergey Bostandzhyan, Leonhard Wimmer. >>>>>> MediaTomb is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License >>>>>> version 2 >>>>>> >>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Loading configuration from: >>>>>> /home/stephen/.mediatomb/config.xml >>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Checking configuration... >>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting filesystem import charset to UTF-8 >>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting metadata import charset to UTF-8 >>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting playlist charset to UTF-8 >>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Configuration check succeeded. >>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Initialized port: 49154 >>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Server bound to: 192.168.0.50 >>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:26 ? ?INFO: MediaTomb Web UI can be reached by following >>>>>> this link: >>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:26 ? ?INFO: http://192.168.0.50:49154/ >>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:55 ? ?INFO: thread cleanup; thread_id=-1235928208 >>>>>> >>>>>> Pay attention the IP address and port. You need to add these in your >>>>>> browser. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In the config.xml file you should have a line like: >>>>>> >>>>>> ? /home/stephen/.mediatomb >>>>>> >>>>>> This should allow navigation on the PS3 through your file system making >>>>>> adding your media to the database unnecessary. >>>>>> >>>>>> It took me a while to get everything working, because my music is in .flac >>>>>> files and I had to transcode to pcm. But the quality is outstanding and the >>>>>> effort was worth it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Keep me posted. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I found that I had better results with just using localhost instead of >>>>> my IP. Don't know why but when I went in that way, it worked normally. >>>>> >>>>> Now, this Mediatomb is _crazy_. I must have hit the wrong button, >>>>> because when I looked at MT through the PS3, it had added all of the >>>>> content from my HD, as well as two connected USB drives. Everything! >>>>> >>>>> LOL, what a mess! >>>>> >>>>> I mv'd the database file and started over, much more sane when you add >>>>> one thing at a time. >>>>> >>>>> I'll definitely take your advice and run it as a normal user, though, >>>>> it's at least a lot easier to play with the config and so on. >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks! >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> TBM >>>>> -- >>>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave Germiquet >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> TBM >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > > > > Dave Germiquet > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 13:41:23 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:41:23 -0500 Subject: [OT] Where to get stuff fixed? In-Reply-To: <11954.99.253.254.243.1267986187.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <4B93E901.8090608@rogers.com> <11954.99.253.254.243.1267986187.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <4B94FE83.4050007@rogers.com> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > If you can solder, it's usually worth cracking open the case (if you can > figure out how!) to see if it's a simple repair. > > Also, one of my tech colleagues at Ryerson described pulling a flat streen > video display out of the garbage. He replaced the 'poofy capacitors' (the > ones that are obviously swollen) and a fuse, and the thing sprang to life. > The toughest part, apparently, was figuring out how to open the case. The > same tech repair wizard has fixed a number of motherboards with the same > approach - it's often the capacitors that fail. > > It's quite satisfying to keep something like that out of the waste stream. > > Peter > > > Quite so. Many people can take the time to find & fix the problem on their own. However, there's no way a service shop, where techs are paid by the hour, can afford to do this on many consumer items. As you know, electronics have advanced considerably over the years, resulting in very inexpensive devices, compared to not that many years ago. As an example, I used to service mini computer systems, including 200 MB disk pack drives. One of those drives, back in those days, cost about as much as a house in Toronto and it made sense for me to spend hours, if necessary, performing a repair. On the other hand, a couple of weeks ago, I bought a 500 GB IDE drive for $92. There's no way you could pay a tech the money it would take to repair such a drive, for less than the cost of buying a replacement. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 14:46:29 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:46:29 -0500 Subject: Presentation Camp Message-ID: For those in the group who plan to give a GTALug (or other Open Source group) presentation in future (and as I like to see people give back to the community I hope this is EVERYONE on this list), should have a look at "Presentation Camp". "Presentation Camp" will be the evening of March 23rd at the Ryerson University Library (an under 10 minute walk from the Dundas subway station). The event will consist of a series of short talks by several different speakers on how to make better public presentations. Tickets to the Presentation Camp are free but you MUST register for a ticket in advance. Details can be seen here : http://www.chrisgurney.ca/tag/presentationcamp/ If you look at the list of people who have registered for the event you will see that yes, I am already registered... Colin McGregor P.S. for those who would like to see notes on some of the presentations I've done in the past, and the sort of thing I would like to do a bit better in future, have a look at: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Colinmc -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 15:07:10 2010 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:07:10 -0500 Subject: Upcoming GTALUG Meetings (was [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG Meeting Tue March 9) Message-ID: We got some great upcoming talks as while: 13th April - Plone by Jordan Baker >From May to Aug. we will be having a series of talks about High Performance Computing: 11th May - Clustering by Madison Kelly 8th June - High Performance Databases in PostgreSQL by Chris Browne 13th July - Myles Braithwaite (Maybe "Node.js" or "High Performance Websites" not sure yet will decide after Chris' talk) 10th August - Distributed FS by Madison Kelly Also we are still looking for panelist for our December smack down meeting on dynamic programming languages: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Drew Sullivan wrote: > Tuesday 9th March, 2010 at 7:30 pm > > Topic > Apache Qpid with Rajith Attapattu > > > Description > Apache Qpid is an enterprise grade messaging solution with a proven > track record and a growing community. It is currently in live production > in several large scale financial institutions. Qpid is a multi language > implementation of the AMQP protocol with brokers in c++ and java and > clients in c++,java,python,ruby and c#. It provides infrastructure for > scalable, reliable, secure, low latency messaging that can be used in a > myriad of applications not just enterprise messaging. From a community > aspect it is one of the first open source projects to receive a > substantial contribution from Microsoft. Recently Microsoft contributed > a WCF client and provided substantial support by way of funding > developers to work on a windows port of the c++ broker. It has a growing > community with contributions from large organizations, academic > institutions, individual contributors and google summer of code > students ..etc. This talk will provide an overview of Apache Qpid and > discuss how it could benefit your community project or your organization > using examples. It will also cover how to get hold of the bits and > better yet how to become a contributor. > > > Location > TBA, but will likely be: > > Room GB248, Galbraith Building, University of Toronto > ? 35 St George St > ? Toronto, Ontario M5S 3G8 > ? University of Toronto > > Schedule > ? ? ?* 6:00 pm - There is an get together of GTALUGers at Pho 88 > ? ? ? ?restaurant 270 Spadina Ave (South of Dundas) for soup and > ? ? ? ?socializing. > ? ? ?* 7:30 pm - Meeting and presentation. > ? ? ?* 9:00 pm - After each meeting (at 9:00 pm) a group of GTALUGers > ? ? ? ?move to the GSU Pub for beer and more socializing. > ? ? ?* > Retrieved from "http://gtalug.org/wiki/Meetings:2010-03" > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Myles Braithwaite http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 15:11:11 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 10:11:11 -0500 Subject: Presentation Camp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B95138F.8030402@alteeve.com> On 10-03-08 09:46 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > For those in the group who plan to give a GTALug (or other Open Source > group) presentation in future (and as I like to see people give back > to the community I hope this is EVERYONE on this list), should have a > look at "Presentation Camp". > > "Presentation Camp" will be the evening of March 23rd at the Ryerson > University Library (an under 10 minute walk from the Dundas subway > station). The event will consist of a series of short talks by several > different speakers on how to make better public presentations. > > Tickets to the Presentation Camp are free but you MUST register for a > ticket in advance. Details can be seen here : > http://www.chrisgurney.ca/tag/presentationcamp/ > > If you look at the list of people who have registered for the event > you will see that yes, I am already registered... > > > > Colin McGregor > > P.S. for those who would like to see notes on some of the > presentations I've done in the past, and the sort of thing I would > like to do a bit better in future, have a look at: > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Colinmc Hiya, Thanks for the heads up. I'm in. Along the same line; if anyone wants to see my past and planned-future talks, including my next TLUG talk in May, they're here: http://alteeve.com Cheers! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 15:11:24 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 10:11:24 -0500 Subject: [OT] Where to get stuff fixed? In-Reply-To: <20100308002552.GA29386-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100308002552.GA29386@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4B95139C.7050403@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 11:59:11AM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: > >> Kind of an outdated concept, I know, but does anyone know of a place >> for fixing electronic stuff, ie. not just replacing parts, but >> actually able to fix them? >> >> I have a multimedia drive that's a few years old, and it works great >> but the connector on the back where the power supply plugs in is >> dodgy, you have to position the plug _just so_ for it to work. It >> probably just needs soldering or something. >> >> Can anyone recommend a place they've used? >> > If it's soldering problem, then it should be simple to fix. You'll have > to weigh the cost of getting soldering iron (and solder) vs. getting a > new drive. > > Anyone capable of doing this sort of work likely already has a soldering iron. If someone has no experience with soldering, they run the risk of damage. While soldering is a simple skill, it has to be practiced a bit before working on circuit boards. However, if the device is likely to be tossed anyway, there's no harm in trying. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 15:12:22 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:12:22 -0500 Subject: Frustrated with MediaTomb In-Reply-To: References: <4B943223.6040804@rogers.com> <32f6a8881003071807p50c5963aq66bd2c52e54b9497@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8881003071954u1f1fffb5mf627bf5a8a5f7f12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8881003080712h47e0c690p9001707826af19a4@mail.gmail.com> Thomas, Ya my Desktop system is a beast its a Quad Core Intel DUo Q6600 and I' ve got overclocked to 2.7.. So I'm not sure how resource hungry it is being that its a Java App. On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > Now. what is your system like, though? I'm on an ancient and crappy P4 2.6 :-\ > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> Yup. I use it all the time on my system. Its great. MKV x264 all xvid/divx >> >> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Thomas Milne >> wrote: >>> Thanks, I might give that a shot. The thing I see on their page that >>> just blows my mind is 'Real-time video transcoding of MKV/FLV/OGM/AVI, >>> etc.' I can't believe my computer could do that, but I'd be curious to >>> see it try ;) >>> >>> Does that mean that the PS3, instead of showing 'unsupported', would >>> actually show it as playable? >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: >>>> Just thought to let you know, I also use ps3 media server and it works >>>> perfectly for me and is very easy to use. >>>> >>>> I love it, you may wanna try it out. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Rafael Carneiro >>>> wrote: >>>>> I've been using ps3mediaserver for a while and highly recommend it: >>>>> http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/ >>>>> >>>>> I tried many others before I found it to be just what I needed. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Rafael >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Thomas Milne >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Stephen wrote: >>>>>>> Thomas Milne wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm trying to get MediaTomb working with my PS3. I got it installed >>>>>>>> fine, and the PS3 has no trouble seeing the server. The problem is >>>>>>>> getting the MediaTomb UI to see the server so I can add my media. >>>>>>>> Every time I try to access the Filesystem icon, I get an error about >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> MediaTomb cannot be reached! Please check if the server is still running. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've waded through the FAQ, Google and the like, but I have no idea >>>>>>>> what the problem is. Currently the server is running on startup, from >>>>>>>> /etc/init.d. Most of the documentation, for some reason, refers to >>>>>>>> mediatomb being started as a normal user. Also, the documentation >>>>>>>> refers to the web UI address being printed in the output when run >>>>>>>> manually. I don't see this at all. Also, since the PS3 can see the >>>>>>>> server, my problem is NOT that the server isn't running, right? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Before I jump onto their forums, can someone spare me a quick tip? I >>>>>>>> have a feeling I'm close, missing something minor but critical. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I suggest you stop MT and run from your user terminal. Make sure you get >>>>>>> something like this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> stephen at roissy:~$ mediatomb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MediaTomb UPnP Server version 0.12.0 - http://mediatomb.cc/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> =============================================================================== >>>>>>> Copyright 2005-2008 Gena Batsyan, Sergey Bostandzhyan, Leonhard Wimmer. >>>>>>> MediaTomb is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License >>>>>>> version 2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Loading configuration from: >>>>>>> /home/stephen/.mediatomb/config.xml >>>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Checking configuration... >>>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting filesystem import charset to UTF-8 >>>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting metadata import charset to UTF-8 >>>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Setting playlist charset to UTF-8 >>>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Configuration check succeeded. >>>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Initialized port: 49154 >>>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:25 ? ?INFO: Server bound to: 192.168.0.50 >>>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:26 ? ?INFO: MediaTomb Web UI can be reached by following >>>>>>> this link: >>>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:26 ? ?INFO: http://192.168.0.50:49154/ >>>>>>> 2010-03-07 17:58:55 ? ?INFO: thread cleanup; thread_id=-1235928208 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pay attention the IP address and port. You need to add these in your >>>>>>> browser. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the config.xml file you should have a line like: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? /home/stephen/.mediatomb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This should allow navigation on the PS3 through your file system making >>>>>>> adding your media to the database unnecessary. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It took me a while to get everything working, because my music is in .flac >>>>>>> files and I had to transcode to pcm. But the quality is outstanding and the >>>>>>> effort was worth it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Keep me posted. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I found that I had better results with just using localhost instead of >>>>>> my IP. Don't know why but when I went in that way, it worked normally. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, this Mediatomb is _crazy_. I must have hit the wrong button, >>>>>> because when I looked at MT through the PS3, it had added all of the >>>>>> content from my HD, as well as two connected USB drives. Everything! >>>>>> >>>>>> LOL, what a mess! >>>>>> >>>>>> I mv'd the database file and started over, much more sane when you add >>>>>> one thing at a time. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll definitely take your advice and run it as a normal user, though, >>>>>> it's at least a lot easier to play with the config and so on. >>>>>> >>>>>> Many thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> TBM >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave Germiquet >>>> -- >>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> TBM >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Dave Germiquet >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 15:42:04 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:42:04 -0500 Subject: Frustrated with MediaTomb In-Reply-To: <32f6a8881003080712h47e0c690p9001707826af19a4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B943223.6040804@rogers.com> <32f6a8881003071807p50c5963aq66bd2c52e54b9497@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8881003071954u1f1fffb5mf627bf5a8a5f7f12@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8881003080712h47e0c690p9001707826af19a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100308154204.GA4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 10:12:22AM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Ya my Desktop system is a beast its a Quad Core Intel DUo Q6600 and I' > ve got overclocked to 2.7.. Is it a Quad or is it a Duo? It can't be both at once. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 15:47:29 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:47:29 -0500 Subject: Frustrated with MediaTomb In-Reply-To: <20100308154204.GA4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B943223.6040804@rogers.com> <32f6a8881003071807p50c5963aq66bd2c52e54b9497@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8881003071954u1f1fffb5mf627bf5a8a5f7f12@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8881003080712h47e0c690p9001707826af19a4@mail.gmail.com> <20100308154204.GA4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:42, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 10:12:22AM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > Ya my Desktop system is a beast its a Quad Core Intel DUo Q6600 and I' > > ve got overclocked to 2.7.. > > Is it a Quad or is it a Duo? It can't be both at once. :) > It's an Octo! 4 * 2, you know. FZ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 16:13:06 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:13:06 -0500 Subject: Frustrated with MediaTomb In-Reply-To: <20100308154204.GA4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B943223.6040804@rogers.com> <32f6a8881003071807p50c5963aq66bd2c52e54b9497@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8881003071954u1f1fffb5mf627bf5a8a5f7f12@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8881003080712h47e0c690p9001707826af19a4@mail.gmail.com> <20100308154204.GA4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <32f6a8881003080813h29235144s28f012e2a1c7d066@mail.gmail.com> Lol.. Ok its a quad :) Sorry about that. On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 10:12:22AM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> Ya my Desktop system is a beast its a Quad Core Intel DUo Q6600 and I' >> ve got overclocked to 2.7.. > > Is it a Quad or is it a Duo? ?It can't be both at once. :) > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 16:21:18 2010 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:21:18 -0500 Subject: Upcoming GTALUG Meetings (was [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG Meeting Tue March 9) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99a6c38f1003080821r21a723bcva5981b689d614ef@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > Also we are still looking for panelist for our December smack down > meeting on dynamic programming languages: > ? I'd be happy to sit in for JavaScript. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ @psema4 Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 16:56:54 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:56:54 -0500 Subject: Frustrated with MediaTomb In-Reply-To: References: <4B943223.6040804@rogers.com> <32f6a8881003071807p50c5963aq66bd2c52e54b9497@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8881003071954u1f1fffb5mf627bf5a8a5f7f12@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8881003080712h47e0c690p9001707826af19a4@mail.gmail.com> <20100308154204.GA4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100308165654.GB4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 10:47:29AM -0500, Fabio FZero wrote: > On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:42, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 10:12:22AM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > > Ya my Desktop system is a beast its a Quad Core Intel DUo Q6600 and I' > > > ve got overclocked to 2.7.. > > > > Is it a Quad or is it a Duo? It can't be both at once. :) > > > > It's an Octo! 4 * 2, you know. So it is a Dual Quad core. Duo is intel's name for the dual core chips. I didn't know you could have dual Core 2 chips. I thought only xeon's could do that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-r35aSzp7v8jQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 17:13:47 2010 From: daniel-r35aSzp7v8jQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 12:13:47 -0500 Subject: Presentation Camp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > For those in the group who plan to give a GTALug (or other Open Source > group) presentation in future (and as I like to see people give back > to the community I hope this is EVERYONE on this list), should have a > look at "Presentation Camp". > > "Presentation Camp" will be the evening of March 23rd at the Ryerson > University Library (an under 10 minute walk from the Dundas subway > station). The event will consist of a series of short talks by several > different speakers on how to make better public presentations. > > Tickets to the Presentation Camp are free but you MUST register for a > ticket in advance. Details can be seen here : > http://www.chrisgurney.ca/tag/presentationcamp/ Thanks for the information Colin... sounds good! I just registered myself. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 17:28:21 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 12:28:21 -0500 Subject: Presentation Camp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Daniel Armstrong wrote: > On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: [snip] >> Tickets to the Presentation Camp are free but you MUST register for a >> ticket in advance. Details can be seen here : >> http://www.chrisgurney.ca/tag/presentationcamp/ > > Thanks for the information Colin... sounds good! I just registered myself. Great stuff, long time no see. I did notice that on your LinkedIn profile you are listed as being dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org yet hear you are listed as daniel-r35aSzp7v8jQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org , which e-mail address is best? Other bits, I've been doing a bit of stuff with PlanetGeek (http://www.planetgeek.ca/) a group in Toronto that takes old PCs, fixes them up, installs Ubuntu on them and then gives them away via a local foodbank. My role in all of this is to act as trainer, offering introductory Linux lessons, which is all kind of fun. I see the training as sort of an off-shoot of my writing... Will I be seeing you at an upcoming GTALug or Unix Unanimous (http://www.unixunanimous.org/), meeting ? Beyond the above, I am currently between contracts (in my last role I was working for a CIBC contractor at CIBC writing Linux server documentation) and I am looking for a system administration role and/or writing documentation. If I could pick your brain on this score in the near future I would appreciate it. Thanks. Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 20:44:29 2010 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:44:29 -0500 Subject: what to do when video stops working? Message-ID: <20100308154429.tfpd7n3uu8k8cs8w@webmail.utoronto.ca> my aging laptop has stopped producing a video signal; even on POST, the screen remains blank, and an external monitor plugged into the VGA port also gives nothing -- though the monitor power light glows green, suggesting the monitor sees that it's connected to something. as far as i can tell this problem started when i had the laptop up & running unattended; the screen was blank, the fan was running like a jet engine, and i ssh'ed in to shutdown remotely. the shutdown failed but sshd was stopped, and i did a hard reset; now when i turn it on, it seems like GRUB is probably loading, but that boot is maybe interrupted by a filesystem error or something, because the network never comes up. anyway i'm wondering if there's a way to get data out of the machine to help with diagnosing the problem, even in the absence of a video cable. I've heard you can do this with a "serial console" -- can anyone tell me more? there's a serial port on the back of the machine, but i've never used it & don't really know how to begin with it. appreciate any help y'all can give! best, matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 21:22:58 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:22:58 -0500 Subject: what to do when video stops working? In-Reply-To: <20100308154429.tfpd7n3uu8k8cs8w-2RFepEojUI0fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20100308154429.tfpd7n3uu8k8cs8w@webmail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 3:44 PM, wrote: > my aging laptop has stopped producing a video signal; even on POST, the > screen remains blank, and an external monitor plugged into the VGA port also > gives nothing -- though the monitor power light glows green, suggesting the > monitor sees that it's connected to something. > > as far as i can tell this problem started when i had the laptop up & running > unattended; the screen was blank, the fan was running like a jet engine, and > i ssh'ed in to shutdown remotely. ?the shutdown failed but sshd was stopped, > and i did a hard reset; now when i turn it on, it seems like GRUB is > probably loading, but that boot is maybe interrupted by a filesystem error > or something, because the network never comes up. > > anyway i'm wondering if there's a way to get data out of the machine to help > with diagnosing the problem, even in the absence of a video cable. ?I've > heard you can do this with a "serial console" -- can anyone tell me more? > ?there's a serial port on the back of the machine, but i've never used it & > don't really know how to begin with it. It is possible to connect two machines via the serial ports and then have one log into the other via that serial cable. You can then have a text based console screen. The gotcha being that the machine you want to log into must have been configured to allow a serial port login. Typically distributions by default do not allow a serial port login, and from the sound of things you can't currently get in to change the defaults... So, what I would do if I were in your shoes... A typical laptop uses 2.5" hard drives, a typical desktop PC uses 3.5" hard drives. In your case I assume you're likely talking IDE/EIDE. There are 2.5" to 3.5" IDE/EIDE adapters that will let you connect an EIDE laptop drive to a typical desktop PC EIDE cable. I would get one of those adapters, remove the hard drive from the laptop connect it up using the adapter as a slave drive in the desktop. Boot with your normal Linux distro., then start mounting the partitions on the laptop drive. This way you can see any/all log files in /var/log, and if the laptop is truly fried you can at least recover the data off the laptop... > appreciate any help y'all can give! ?best, > matt Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 8 22:27:21 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 17:27:21 -0500 Subject: what to do when video stops working? In-Reply-To: <20100308154429.tfpd7n3uu8k8cs8w-2RFepEojUI0fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20100308154429.tfpd7n3uu8k8cs8w@webmail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20100308222721.GA30641@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 03:44:29PM -0500, matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: > my aging laptop has stopped producing a video signal; even on POST, > the screen remains blank, and an external monitor plugged into the VGA > port also gives nothing -- though the monitor power light glows green, > suggesting the monitor sees that it's connected to something. > > as far as i can tell this problem started when i had the laptop up & > running unattended; the screen was blank, the fan was running like a > jet engine, and i ssh'ed in to shutdown remotely. the shutdown failed > but sshd was stopped, and i did a hard reset; now when i turn it on, > it seems like GRUB is probably loading, but that boot is maybe > interrupted by a filesystem error or something, because the network > never comes up. > > anyway i'm wondering if there's a way to get data out of the machine > to help with diagnosing the problem, even in the absence of a video > cable. I've heard you can do this with a "serial console" -- can > anyone tell me more? there's a serial port on the back of the > machine, but i've never used it & don't really know how to begin with > it. > > appreciate any help y'all can give! best, > matt If it doesn't post, then "serial" is of no use. Remove the harddisk, and use SATA-to-USB connector. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 9 13:51:02 2010 From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 08:51:02 -0500 Subject: what to do when video stops working? In-Reply-To: <20100308154429.tfpd7n3uu8k8cs8w-2RFepEojUI0fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20100308154429.tfpd7n3uu8k8cs8w@webmail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 3:44 PM, wrote: > my aging laptop has stopped producing a video signal; even on POST, the > screen remains blank, and an external monitor plugged into the VGA port also > gives nothing -- though the monitor power light glows green, suggesting the > monitor sees that it's connected to something. This is a longshot, but could this be a failed backlight? If this is only a failed backlight you may be able to play with your viewing angle, and the incident angle of the flashlight in a manner that allows you to read enough of the screen to get the external video working. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 9 00:49:00 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 19:49:00 -0500 Subject: what to do when video stops working? In-Reply-To: <20100308192625.o590trpgn6sw0gc8-2RFepEojUI0fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20100308154429.tfpd7n3uu8k8cs8w@webmail.utoronto.ca> <20100308222721.GA30641@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100308192625.o590trpgn6sw0gc8@webmail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 7:26 PM, wrote: > Quoting William Park : > >> On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 03:44:29PM -0500, matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> >>> my aging laptop has stopped producing a video signal; even on POST, >>> the screen remains blank, and an external monitor plugged into the VGA >>> port also gives nothing -- though the monitor power light glows green, >>> suggesting the monitor sees that it's connected to something. >>> >>> as far as i can tell this problem started when i had the laptop up & >>> running unattended; the screen was blank, the fan was running like a >>> jet engine, and i ssh'ed in to shutdown remotely. ?the shutdown failed >>> but sshd was stopped, and i did a hard reset; now when i turn it on, >>> it seems like GRUB is probably loading, but that boot is maybe >>> interrupted by a filesystem error or something, because the network >>> never comes up. >>> >>> anyway i'm wondering if there's a way to get data out of the machine >>> to help with diagnosing the problem, even in the absence of a video >>> cable. ?I've heard you can do this with a "serial console" -- can >>> anyone tell me more? ?there's a serial port on the back of the >>> machine, but i've never used it & don't really know how to begin with >>> it. >>> >>> appreciate any help y'all can give! ?best, >>> matt >> >> If it doesn't post, then "serial" is of no use. ?Remove the harddisk, >> and use SATA-to-USB connector. > > you and colin seem to agree on this. ?I will definitely try, but i have > afeeling that it *is* posting -- the disk access light illuminates for quite > a while before stopping, so i think GRUB activates. ?but yes, i'll try to > get some info from the hdd via a sata enclosure -- already have one -- & > then maybe open hte thing up & see if there are some loose cables or > something. ?Would just be nice to lspci the system somehow, i was hoping the > serial console might be a method. Well first question is, what sort of a hard drive is in your laptop? If it is more than about 5 years old, chances are it will be a 2.5" IIDE/EIDE drive. If the machine is less than 2 years old chances are strong that are you are looking at a SATA drive. The sort of adapter you will need will depend on the sort of drive you have... Something you should double check before you head out shopping... Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-r35aSzp7v8jQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 9 04:49:21 2010 From: daniel-r35aSzp7v8jQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 23:49:21 -0500 Subject: Thinkpad 35% off sale ending March 10 Message-ID: Re earlier mention on the list about Lenovo sale promotions... I just noticed this sale on Thinkpad T410/510 models: http://www.redflagdeals.com/deals/main.php/alldeals/comments/hot_lenovo_35_off_1350_on_thinkpad_t410_t510_i7_620m_equipped_t510_w_discre/ Might save someone a bit of money. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 9 00:26:25 2010 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:26:25 -0500 Subject: what to do when video stops working? In-Reply-To: <20100308222721.GA30641-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100308154429.tfpd7n3uu8k8cs8w@webmail.utoronto.ca> <20100308222721.GA30641@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20100308192625.o590trpgn6sw0gc8@webmail.utoronto.ca> Quoting William Park : > On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 03:44:29PM -0500, matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org wrote: >> my aging laptop has stopped producing a video signal; even on POST, >> the screen remains blank, and an external monitor plugged into the VGA >> port also gives nothing -- though the monitor power light glows green, >> suggesting the monitor sees that it's connected to something. >> >> as far as i can tell this problem started when i had the laptop up & >> running unattended; the screen was blank, the fan was running like a >> jet engine, and i ssh'ed in to shutdown remotely. the shutdown failed >> but sshd was stopped, and i did a hard reset; now when i turn it on, >> it seems like GRUB is probably loading, but that boot is maybe >> interrupted by a filesystem error or something, because the network >> never comes up. >> >> anyway i'm wondering if there's a way to get data out of the machine >> to help with diagnosing the problem, even in the absence of a video >> cable. I've heard you can do this with a "serial console" -- can >> anyone tell me more? there's a serial port on the back of the >> machine, but i've never used it & don't really know how to begin with >> it. >> >> appreciate any help y'all can give! best, >> matt > > If it doesn't post, then "serial" is of no use. Remove the harddisk, > and use SATA-to-USB connector. you and colin seem to agree on this. I will definitely try, but i have afeeling that it *is* posting -- the disk access light illuminates for quite a while before stopping, so i think GRUB activates. but yes, i'll try to get some info from the hdd via a sata enclosure -- already have one -- & then maybe open hte thing up & see if there are some loose cables or something. Would just be nice to lspci the system somehow, i was hoping the serial console might be a method. > > -- > William > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 9 15:19:56 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:19:56 -0500 Subject: Thinkpad 35% off sale ending March 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100309151956.GC4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 11:49:21PM -0500, Daniel Armstrong wrote: > Re earlier mention on the list about Lenovo sale promotions... I just > noticed this sale on Thinkpad T410/510 models: > > http://www.redflagdeals.com/deals/main.php/alldeals/comments/hot_lenovo_35_off_1350_on_thinkpad_t410_t510_i7_620m_equipped_t510_w_discre/ > > Might save someone a bit of money. They even have optional nvidia graphics chips and core i5 or i7 CPUs. Very nice laptops. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 9 18:52:41 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:52:41 -0800 Subject: iPhone: Extracting m4a songs to Mp3 Message-ID: <3a97ef1003091052sdef34c4mb5d1ca30efea6a61@mail.gmail.com> Since there don't seem to be any tools (that don't require manually recompiling half my OS) out yet that will interface with the current iPhone/iPod/iFangledDoohickey devices, I thought I'd share my current script used to dump all the M4A files from the phone and convert them to appropriately named MP3's. Some minor quality loss may occur during conversion, of course, as it's going from lossy to lossy format. It will do a decent attempt at naming the files appropriately. Modify as needed (and feel free to supply your mods back if you come up with something useful). Works with jailbroken phones with SSH, mounted via ipod-mount, etc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ #!/bin/bash #This script requires atomicparsley, ffmpeg, and lame to work SEARCHDIR="/media/ipod/iTunes_Control/Music" WORKDIR="/tmp/convert" SAVEDIR="${WORKDIR}" ################### if [ ! -d "${WORKDIR}" ]; then mkdir "${WORKDIR}" fi if [ ! -d "${SAVEDIR}" ]; then mkdir "${SAVEDIR}" fi for FILE in $(find ${SEARCHDIR} -iname \*.m4a); do #strip names BASEFILE=${FILE/\/*\//} BASENAME=${BASEFILE%.m4a} #UUUGLY hack to get file info, but this is the only app I know that will get tags from m4a files... ARTIST=$(/usr/bin/AtomicParsley "${FILE}" -t | grep aART | awk -F ': ' '{ print $2}') ALBUM=$(/usr/bin/AtomicParsley "${FILE}" -t | grep '?alb' | awk -F ': ' '{ print $2}') NAME=$(/usr/bin/AtomicParsley "${FILE}" -t | grep '?nam' | awk -F ': ' '{ print $2}') TRACK=$(/usr/bin/AtomicParsley "${FILE}" -t | grep 'trkn' | awk -F ': ' '{ print $2}') echo "- Name : ${NAME}" echo "- Album : ${ALBUM}" echo "- Artist : ${ARTIST}" echo "COPYING to ${WORKDIR}/" cp "${FILE}" ${WORKDIR}/ sleep 1 if [ -z "${TRACK}" ]; then NEWNAME="${ARTIST} -- ${NAME}" else NEWNAME="${ARTIST} :: ${ALBUM} (${TRACK}) -- ${NAME}" fi WAVFILE="${WORKDIR}/${BASENAME}.wav" MP3FILE="${SAVEDIR}/${NEWNAME}.mp3" echo "Re-encoding to WAV: ${WAVFILE}" && ffmpeg -i "${WORKDIR}/${BASEFILE}" -ar 44100 "${WAVFILE}" && \ echo "Encoding \"${WAVFILE}\"as VBR MP3: ${MP3FILE}" && lame --vbr-new --ta "${ARTIST}" --tl "${ALBUM}" --tt "${NAME}" --tc "${TRACK}" "${WAVFILE}" -o "${MP3FILE}" && \ echo "Removing WAV file" && rm "${WAVFILE}" && echo "Removing base file" && rm "${WORKDIR}/${BASEFILE}" echo echo done #END OF FILE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA "You cannot herd cats, but you can move their food" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 10 06:16:07 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:16:07 -0500 Subject: Overjoyed with MediaTomb (was Frustrated with MediaTomb) Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > I'm trying to get MediaTomb working with my PS3. I got it installed > fine, and the PS3 has no trouble seeing the server. The problem is > getting the MediaTomb UI to see the server so I can add my media. > Every time I try to access the Filesystem icon, I get an error about > > MediaTomb cannot be reached! Please check if the server is still running. > > I've waded through the FAQ, Google and the like, but I have no idea > what the problem is. Currently the server is running on startup, from > /etc/init.d. Most of the documentation, for some reason, refers to > mediatomb being started as a normal user. Also, the documentation > refers to the web UI address being printed in the output when run > manually. I don't see this at all. Also, since the PS3 can see the > server, my problem is NOT that the server isn't running, right? > > Before I jump onto their forums, can someone spare me a quick tip? I > have a feeling I'm close, missing something minor but critical. > Just wanted to change the subject to reflect the new facts :-) Works bloody awesome. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 10 02:15:26 2010 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 21:15:26 -0500 Subject: 97 Things Every Programmer Should Know - Programmer 97-things Message-ID: Mentioned by our presentor: Sent from my mobile device. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 10 16:34:13 2010 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:34:13 -0500 Subject: OT: Lost Token Holder Message-ID: <4B97CA05.6040305@utoronto.ca> I lost my token holder last night I'm not sure where. If anybody found it either at Pho 88, at the meeting location or at the pub afterwards, they may reply to this email. Thanks, Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 10 16:46:21 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:46:21 -0500 Subject: OT: Lost Token Holder In-Reply-To: <4B97CA05.6040305-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B97CA05.6040305@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4B97CCDD.5010704@rogers.com> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > I lost my token holder last night I'm not sure where. If anybody found > it either at Pho 88, at the meeting location or at the pub afterwards, > they may reply to this email. > > Any reason you don't use a token ring? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 10 18:28:17 2010 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:28:17 +0100 Subject: Beat that Nutscrape and Internet Exploiter Message-ID: <87y6i02fr2.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Real - not a GIMP job The real mcCoy World Class top of the line - Got one - love it The _Canova_ model http://www.operabike.com/home_eng.php -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 10 18:59:21 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:59:21 -0500 Subject: OT: Lost Token Holder In-Reply-To: <4B97CA05.6040305-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B97CA05.6040305@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > I lost my token holder last night I'm not sure where. If anybody found > it either at Pho 88, at the meeting location or at the pub afterwards, > they may reply to this email. > > Thanks, > Ivan. The bartender at the GSU found a token holder, asked about it, and Drew said it was his... Did you both loose a token holder at the GSU last evening? Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 10 19:01:03 2010 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:01:03 -0500 Subject: OT: Lost Token Holder In-Reply-To: References: <4B97CA05.6040305@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4B97EC6F.8070308@ss.org> Turns out Drew had his, the Token Holder ended up with Myles. Myles is already contacting Ivan offlist about it's return. Issue Resolved. On 03/10/2010 01:59 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > >> I lost my token holder last night I'm not sure where. If anybody found >> it either at Pho 88, at the meeting location or at the pub afterwards, >> they may reply to this email. >> >> Thanks, >> Ivan. >> > The bartender at the GSU found a token holder, asked about it, and > Drew said it was his... Did you both loose a token holder at the GSU > last evening? > > > Colin. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 10 19:13:57 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:13:57 -0500 Subject: Unix Unanimous... Message-ID: Just to note the next Unix Unanimous meeting will be at 6:45 PM on Wednesday 10 March 2010, in room BA 2179 on the 2nd floor of the Bahen Centre for Information Technology at 40 St. George Street. The full meeting announcement can be seen here: http://www.unixunanimous.org/ . A summary of what happens at a typical meeting can be seen here: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Unix_Unanimous Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jemlistt-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 11 18:47:38 2010 From: jemlistt-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (jemlistt-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:47:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Anyone Know Of Any Scottish Restaurants In Toronto? In-Reply-To: <1267734069.7990.1.camel-Cc8bTzyuDCFg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003041130j701e3127kc080144c2aaddc5@mail.gmail.com> <1267734069.7990.1.camel@bliss.ss.org> Message-ID: > Try this one: > "This might be a bit late, I can state that the ONLY place in the GTA I > can properly address cravings for back home food is the St Andrew's Cafe > in Scarborough, SW corner of Ellesmere & McCowan. > > No website, but details are: 416-431-6574; 1589 Ellesmere Road" > > Hope this helps, I saw it when I was looking for Haggis. I've been there. It's not quite on the corner. It's a few feet to the west. The only disappointing thing is that when they serve 'Scottish' bread - it is a white bread. I thought that you were from South Africa. How did you develop a liking for Scottish food ? > On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 14:30 -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: >> As the subject says, does anyone know of any Scottish restaurants in >> Toronto? I only know of one restaurant, and it's not in Toronto but >> in Ottawa right across from the Rideau Centre. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From steven.meyer-bdq14YP6qtRg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 11 21:16:40 2010 From: steven.meyer-bdq14YP6qtRg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (steven meyer) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:16:40 -0500 Subject: IPv6 services Message-ID: <4B995DB8.2080709@computer.org> Does anyone know of, or had experience with, a Service Provider who offers IPv6 Internet service to small businesses/consumers? -- Steven Meyer Ph.D, P.Eng steven.meyer-bdq14YP6qtRg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org +1(647)299 1020 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 11 21:30:05 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:30:05 -0500 Subject: IPv6 services In-Reply-To: <4B995DB8.2080709-bdq14YP6qtRg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <4B995DB8.2080709@computer.org> Message-ID: <32f6a8881003111330g9849p17216ea54bf5f49d@mail.gmail.com> I think I may be interested as well. I'm looking for a residential service instead of a business service for ipv6. On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:16 PM, steven meyer wrote: > Does anyone know of, or had experience with, a Service Provider who > offers IPv6 Internet service to small businesses/consumers? > > -- > Steven Meyer Ph.D, P.Eng > steven.meyer-bdq14YP6qtRg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org > +1(647)299 1020 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlow-AZu5J0u3PMt/LtIqEKMDMfN90d+awN/n at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 11 21:45:09 2010 From: tlow-AZu5J0u3PMt/LtIqEKMDMfN90d+awN/n at public.gmane.org (Tom Low-Shang) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:45:09 -0500 Subject: IPv6 services In-Reply-To: <32f6a8881003111330g9849p17216ea54bf5f49d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B995DB8.2080709@computer.org> <32f6a8881003111330g9849p17216ea54bf5f49d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100311214509.GA4303@goblin.tomlowshang.bogus> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 04:30:05PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:16 PM, steven meyer wrote: > > Does anyone know of, or had experience with, a Service Provider who > > offers IPv6 Internet service to small businesses/consumers? > > > > -- > > Steven Meyer Ph.D, P.Eng > > steven.meyer-bdq14YP6qtRg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org > > +1(647)299 1020 > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > I think I may be interested as well. I'm looking for a residential > service instead of a business service for ipv6. TekSavvy is beta testing IPv6 now. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r23849317-IPv6-beta EGATE Networks has offered IPv6 for a year apparently. http://www.egate.net/IPv6/ -- Tom Low-Shang : Email : tlow-AZu5J0u3PMt/LtIqEKMDMfN90d+awN/n at public.gmane.org XMPP : tomlowshang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Skype : tomlowshang -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 11 23:10:38 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:10:38 -0500 Subject: IPv6 services In-Reply-To: <20100311214509.GA4303-phyFcsnwIyERPWXhoseuVQ9Q7JAP3fOy@public.gmane.org> References: <4B995DB8.2080709@computer.org> <32f6a8881003111330g9849p17216ea54bf5f49d@mail.gmail.com> <20100311214509.GA4303@goblin.tomlowshang.bogus> Message-ID: <4B99786E.8020201@utoronto.ca> On 11/03/10 04:45 PM, Tom Low-Shang wrote: >> I think I may be interested as well. I'm looking for a residential >> service instead of a business service for ipv6. > > TekSavvy is beta testing IPv6 now. > > http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r23849317-IPv6-beta > > EGATE Networks has offered IPv6 for a year apparently. > > http://www.egate.net/IPv6/ he.net offer a 6->4 gateway for free. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlow-AZu5J0u3PMt/LtIqEKMDMfN90d+awN/n at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 12 00:28:11 2010 From: tlow-AZu5J0u3PMt/LtIqEKMDMfN90d+awN/n at public.gmane.org (Tom Low-Shang) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:28:11 -0500 Subject: IPv6 services In-Reply-To: <4B99786E.8020201-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B995DB8.2080709@computer.org> <32f6a8881003111330g9849p17216ea54bf5f49d@mail.gmail.com> <20100311214509.GA4303@goblin.tomlowshang.bogus> <4B99786E.8020201@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20100312002811.GA5024@goblin.tomlowshang.bogus> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 06:10:38PM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On 11/03/10 04:45 PM, Tom Low-Shang wrote: > >> I think I may be interested as well. I'm looking for a residential > >> service instead of a business service for ipv6. > > > > TekSavvy is beta testing IPv6 now. > > > > http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r23849317-IPv6-beta > > > > EGATE Networks has offered IPv6 for a year apparently. > > > > http://www.egate.net/IPv6/ > > he.net offer a 6->4 gateway for free. Yes, but it's good news that native, non-tunnelled IPv6 offerings are appearing at the end user level. It's about time. -- Tom Low-Shang : Email : tlow-AZu5J0u3PMt/LtIqEKMDMfN90d+awN/n at public.gmane.org XMPP : tomlowshang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Skype : tomlowshang -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 12 02:35:46 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:35:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: IPv6 services In-Reply-To: <20100312002811.GA5024-phyFcsnwIyERPWXhoseuVQ9Q7JAP3fOy@public.gmane.org> References: <4B995DB8.2080709@computer.org> <32f6a8881003111330g9849p17216ea54bf5f49d@mail.gmail.com> <20100311214509.GA4303@goblin.tomlowshang.bogus> <4B99786E.8020201@utoronto.ca> <20100312002811.GA5024@goblin.tomlowshang.bogus> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Tom Low-Shang wrote: > Yes, but it's good news that native, non-tunnelled IPv6 offerings are > appearing at the end user level. It's about time. Definitely. Like I commented before the meeting started on Tuesday, most ISPs are busy testing & deploying IPv6 before it's too late. Geoff Huston's site (below) gives day to day status reports of IPv4 exhaustion. http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/index.html Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org IRC: Solver Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 12 05:57:16 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:57:16 -0500 Subject: Overjoyed with MediaTomb (was Frustrated with MediaTomb) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> I'm trying to get MediaTomb working with my PS3. I got it installed >> fine, and the PS3 has no trouble seeing the server. The problem is >> getting the MediaTomb UI to see the server so I can add my media. >> Every time I try to access the Filesystem icon, I get an error about >> >> MediaTomb cannot be reached! Please check if the server is still running. >> >> I've waded through the FAQ, Google and the like, but I have no idea >> what the problem is. Currently the server is running on startup, from >> /etc/init.d. Most of the documentation, for some reason, refers to >> mediatomb being started as a normal user. Also, the documentation >> refers to the web UI address being printed in the output when run >> manually. I don't see this at all. Also, since the PS3 can see the >> server, my problem is NOT that the server isn't running, right? >> >> Before I jump onto their forums, can someone spare me a quick tip? I >> have a feeling I'm close, missing something minor but critical. >> > > Just wanted to change the subject to reflect the new facts :-) > > Works bloody awesome. Here's what I added to my config, enabling autoscan and inotify to make things a little more automated for the lazy types like me: I put that in between the scripting and mapping sections, as per the documentation. Works just like I want it to :-) -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 12 16:36:59 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:36:59 -0500 Subject: IPv6 services In-Reply-To: <4B995DB8.2080709-bdq14YP6qtRg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <4B995DB8.2080709@computer.org> Message-ID: <4B9A6DAB.2020306@rogers.com> steven meyer wrote: > Does anyone know of, or had experience with, a Service Provider who > offers IPv6 Internet service to small businesses/consumers? > > I'm not aware of any, but you can use a gateway, where you tunnel IPv6 over IPv4 to the gateway. Here's one: http://gogonet.gogo6.com You can use their client for Linux, Windows etc. and, IIRC, you can even modify some of the Linux based routers to connect to them. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 12 19:23:52 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:23:52 -0500 Subject: FCC releases Internet speed test tool Message-ID: <7c50d3571003121123t3ab47a4ak31092129df0308f7@mail.gmail.com> The CRTC should really take a page of of this book: (Reuters) - The U.S. Federal Communications Commission on Thursday launched a broadband test service to help consumers clock the speed of their Internet. Located at the site www.broadband.gov, the test is aimed at allowing consumers to compare their actual speeds with the speeds advertised by their providers. The FCC release follows an FCC meeting in September where officials said that actual speeds were estimated to lag by as much as 50 percent during busy hours. "The FCC's new digital tools will arm users with real-time information about their broadband connection and the agency with useful data about service across the country," FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski said in a statement. The FCC is also collecting information about where broadband is not available. Consumers can email the FCC at fccinfo-vePHz3HrCTQ at public.gmane.org or call the FCC. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62B08720100312?type=technologyNews -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 12 20:19:48 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:19:48 -0500 Subject: OT: Copy NTFS based files between servers AND retaining permission intact Message-ID: Hi there, This is a tad window centric, so may not be entirely appropriate for the LUG and hence the OT label. That being said, I believe some of us might be dealing with Windows once in a while and hence the post. We are in the middle of migrating between to file servers and we used robocopy.exe to move files to the new file server. I did a sample check on some of the files and the permissions seemed to have carried over well. However, when I sent out to selected users, some were actually able to read documents that were originally unavailable. This kind of mean manually going through all directories, something I would rather avoid. Anyone know of a tool that can do this job better or have gone through the experience before and would not mind sharing their experience? Would appreciate any pointers and thanks in advance Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 12 21:17:08 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:17:08 -0500 Subject: FCC releases Internet speed test tool In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571003121123t3ab47a4ak31092129df0308f7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003121123t3ab47a4ak31092129df0308f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100312211708.GE16430@phaedrus.isageek.ca> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 02:23:52PM -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: > The CRTC should really take a page of of this book: Why? Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 13 23:25:28 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:25:28 -0500 Subject: Mississauga Ubuntu Users Meet, 3/16/2010, 7:00 pm Message-ID: FYI The Mississauga Ubuntu users. Colin. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 5:55 PM Subject: [mumu-ca] Meet, 3/16/2010, 7:00 pm To: mumu-ca-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw at public.gmane.org Reminder from: ? mumu-ca Yahoo! Group Title: ? Meet Date: ? Tuesday March 16, 2010 Time: ? 7:00 pm - 10:00 pm Repeats: ? This event repeats every month on the third Tuesday. Location: ? Mulligan's Pub and Grill Street: ? 2458 Dundas Street West City State Zip: ? Mississauga Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 14 03:40:20 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:40:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Lost Token Holder In-Reply-To: <4B97CCDD.5010704-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B97CA05.6040305@utoronto.ca> <4B97CCDD.5010704@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, James Knott wrote: > Any reason you don't use a token ring? ;-) Because there'd be no place to get the tokens out ;) Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org IRC: Solver Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 14 13:00:20 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 09:00:20 -0400 Subject: OT: Lost Token Holder In-Reply-To: References: <4B97CA05.6040305@utoronto.ca> <4B97CCDD.5010704@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4B9CDDE4.4060008@rogers.com> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, James Knott wrote: > >> Any reason you don't use a token ring? ;-) > > Because there'd be no place to get the tokens out ;) > > Rob > http://www.euan.me/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/dilbert_tokenring.GIF ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 14 16:29:08 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:29:08 -0400 Subject: Pi day... Message-ID: Just to briefly note, today is Pi day (3.14). Enjoy... Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 14 16:49:14 2010 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:49:14 -0500 Subject: Pi day... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sunday 14 March 2010 12:29:08 you wrote: > Just to briefly note, today is Pi day (3.14). Enjoy... > > Colin. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > 'Cause three point one four is so near, To pi, it's now frightfully clear, Since it looks like a date, Some take it as fate, And point it out year after year. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 14 16:58:57 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:58:57 -0400 Subject: Pi day... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B9D15D1.5030107@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > Just to briefly note, today is Pi day (3.14). Enjoy... > > Colin. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > I'll have apple with ice cream. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 14 16:59:58 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:59:58 -0400 Subject: Pi day... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B9D160E.8030404@rogers.com> Gary Layng wrote: > On Sunday 14 March 2010 12:29:08 you wrote: > >> Just to briefly note, today is Pi day (3.14). Enjoy... >> >> Colin. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> > 'Cause three point one four is so near, > To pi, it's now frightfully clear, > Since it looks like a date, > Some take it as fate, > And point it out year after year. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 14 18:06:27 2010 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:06:27 -0500 Subject: Pi day... In-Reply-To: <4B9D15D1.5030107-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B9D15D1.5030107@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sunday 14 March 2010 12:58:57 you wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > > Just to briefly note, today is Pi day (3.14). Enjoy... > > > > Colin. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > I'll have apple with ice cream. ;-) > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > I'll start with a slice of French Canadian meat pi... ^_^ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 14 18:19:15 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:19:15 -0400 Subject: Pi day... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hell yeah, let's celebrate! http://www.songstowearpantsto.com/songs/i-am-the-first-fifty-digits-of-pi/ BTW, Andrew (the pants guy from the link) is also from Toronto, so this fits in more than one way. On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 12:29, Colin McGregor wrote: > Just to briefly note, today is Pi day (3.14). Enjoy... > > Colin. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 14 18:40:49 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:40:49 -0400 Subject: Pi day... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 12:29, Colin McGregor wrote: > Just to briefly note, today is Pi day (3.14). Enjoy... I noticed that on March 14 2015 at 9:26 we'll have a more accurate Pi date. -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 14 18:55:38 2010 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:55:38 -0400 Subject: Pi day... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B9D312A.4050808@moores.ca> 3.132015926? Naa, but it is currently 4 minutes before the pi hour of 3PM. Should the ultimate pi time be: Mar-14 3:55:34? Renata Rocha wrote: > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 12:29, Colin McGregor wrote: >> Just to briefly note, today is Pi day (3.14). Enjoy... > > I noticed that on March 14 2015 at 9:26 we'll have a more accurate Pi date. > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 14 22:10:26 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:10:26 -0400 Subject: Pi day... In-Reply-To: References: <4B9D15D1.5030107@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4B9D5ED2.1080400@rogers.com> Gary Layng wrote: > I'll start with a slice of French Canadian meat pi... > Oh, you mean "Torture". ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maureen-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 14 22:47:09 2010 From: maureen-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Maureen Thornton) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:47:09 -0400 Subject: Pi day... In-Reply-To: <4B9D312A.4050808-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B9D312A.4050808@moores.ca> Message-ID: <1268606829.2940.25.camel@bliss.ss.org> Damn, I just missed it, I was born March 14 4:10 -----Drew says I am mouldy Pi On Sun, 2010-03-14 at 14:55 -0400, Darryl Moore wrote: > 3.132015926? Naa, > > but it is currently 4 minutes before the pi hour of 3PM. Should the > ultimate pi time be: > > Mar-14 3:55:34? > > Renata Rocha wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 12:29, Colin McGregor wrote: > >> Just to briefly note, today is Pi day (3.14). Enjoy... > > > > I noticed that on March 14 2015 at 9:26 we'll have a more accurate Pi date. > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 03:12:33 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:12:33 -0400 Subject: Pi day... In-Reply-To: <4B9D312A.4050808-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B9D312A.4050808@moores.ca> Message-ID: I though of 3/14/15 9:26 Unless we come back in time and can celebrate 3/14/1596 5:35 On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 14:55, Darryl Moore wrote: > 3.132015926? Naa, > > but it is currently 4 minutes before the pi hour of 3PM. Should the > ultimate pi time be: > > Mar-14 3:55:34? > > Renata Rocha wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 12:29, Colin McGregor wrote: >>> Just to briefly note, today is Pi day (3.14). Enjoy... >> >> I noticed that on March 14 2015 at 9:26 we'll have a more accurate Pi date. >> >> >> >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 03:17:17 2010 From: ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:17:17 +0000 Subject: Pi day... Message-ID: <815884353-1268623037-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1194061100-@bda111.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> VGhlcmUgd2FzIGFsc286DQoNCjMvMTQgMTo1OToyNg0KLS0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0t LS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogUmVuYXRhIFJvY2hhDQpTZW5kZXI6IG93bmVyLXRsdWdAc3Mub3JnDQpUbzog dGx1Z0Bzcy5vcmcNClJlcGx5VG86IHRsdWdAc3Mub3JnDQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogW1RMVUddOiBQ aSBkYXkuLi4NClNlbnQ6IE1hciAxNCwgMjAxMCAxMToxMiBQTQ0KDQpJIHRob3VnaCBvZg0KDQoz LzE0LzE1IDk6MjYNCg0KVW5sZXNzIHdlIGNvbWUgYmFjayBpbiB0aW1lIGFuZCBjYW4gY2VsZWJy YXRlDQoNCjMvMTQvMTU5NiA1OjM1DQoNCg0KT24gU3VuLCBNYXIgMTQsIDIwMTAgYXQgMTQ6NTUs IERhcnJ5bCBNb29yZSA8ZGFycnlsQG1vb3Jlcy5jYT4gd3JvdGU6DQo+IDMuMTMyMDE1OTI2PyBO YWEsDQo+DQo+IGJ1dCBpdCBpcyBjdXJyZW50bHkgNCBtaW51dGVzIGJlZm9yZSB0aGUgcGkgaG91 ciBvZiAzUE0uIFNob3VsZCB0aGUNCj4gdWx0aW1hdGUgcGkgdGltZSBiZToNCj4NCj4gTWFyLTE0 IDM6NTU6MzQ/DQo+DQo+IFJlbmF0YSBSb2NoYSB3cm90ZToNCj4+IE9uIFN1biwgTWFyIDE0LCAy MDEwIGF0IDEyOjI5LCBDb2xpbiBNY0dyZWdvciA8Y29saW4ubWMxNTFAZ21haWwuY29tPiB3cm90 ZToNCj4+PiBKdXN0IHRvIGJyaWVmbHkgbm90ZSwgdG9kYXkgaXMgUGkgZGF5ICgzLjE0KS4gRW5q b3kuLi4NCj4+DQo+PiBJIG5vdGljZWQgdGhhdCBvbiBNYXJjaCAxNCAyMDE1IGF0IDk6MjYgd2Un bGwgaGF2ZSBhIG1vcmUgYWNjdXJhdGUgUGkgZGF0ZS4NCj4+DQo+Pg0KPj4NCj4+DQo+IC0tDQo+ IFRoZSBUb3JvbnRvIExpbnV4IFVzZXJzIEdyb3VwLiCgIKAgoE1lZXRpbmdzOiBodHRwOi8vZ3Rh bHVnLm9yZy8NCj4gVExVRyByZXF1ZXN0czogTGludXggdG9waWNzLCBObyBIVE1MLCB3cmFwIHRl eHQgYmVsb3cgODAgY29sdW1ucw0KPiBIb3cgdG8gVU5TVUJTQ1JJQkU6IGh0dHA6Ly9ndGFsdWcu b3JnL3dpa2kvTWFpbGluZ19saXN0cw0KPg0KDQoNCg0KLS0gDQpSZW5hdGEgUm9jaGENCnJlQHJl bmF0YS5vcmcNCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cubGlua2VkaW4uY29tL2luL3JlbmF0YXJvY2hhDQotLQ0KVGhl IFRvcm9udG8gTGludXggVXNlcnMgR3JvdXAuICAgICAgTWVldGluZ3M6IGh0dHA6Ly9ndGFsdWcu b3JnLw0KVExVRyByZXF1ZXN0czogTGludXggdG9waWNzLCBObyBIVE1MLCB3cmFwIHRleHQgYmVs b3cgODAgY29sdW1ucw0KSG93IHRvIFVOU1VCU0NSSUJFOiBodHRwOi8vZ3RhbHVnLm9yZy93aWtp L01haWxpbmdfbGlzdHMNCg0KDQpTZW50IGZyb20gbXkgQmxhY2tCZXJyeSBkZXZpY2Ugb24gdGhl IFJvZ2VycyBXaXJlbGVzcyBOZXR3b3Jr -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 14:45:46 2010 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:45:46 +0000 Subject: : Message-ID: I'm getting these SELinux security alerts on my Fedora 12. I don't know if it's a misconfiguration or a real threat. Does anyone know what it means? I've been getting the first alert from the time I installed the distro, but haven't come up with a pattern yet. They have always been the same until today - I received a new alert, which follows the first one. I'll be executing some of the commands suggested on the alerts once I have a better idea of what's happening. Thanks, John. {Alert 1} Summary: SELinux is preventing /usr/sbin/NetworkManager "create" access on NetworkManager.state.R4GQ8U. Detailed Description: SELinux denied access requested by NetworkManager. It is not expected that this access is required by NetworkManager and this access may signal an intrusion attempt. It is also possible that the specific version or configuration of the application is causing it to require additional access. Allowing Access: You can generate a local policy module to allow this access - see FAQ (http://docs.fedoraproject.org/selinux-faq-fc5/#id2961385) Please file a bug report. Additional Information: Source Context system_u:system_r:NetworkManager_t:s0 Target Context system_u:object_r:var_lib_t:s0 Target Objects NetworkManager.state.R4GQ8U [ file ] Source NetworkManager Source Path /usr/sbin/NetworkManager Port Host Source RPM Packages NetworkManager-0.7.998-2.git20100106.fc12 Target RPM Packages Policy RPM selinux-policy-3.6.32-78.fc12 Selinux Enabled True Policy Type targeted Enforcing Mode Enforcing Plugin Name catchall Host Name Platform Linux 2.6.32.7-37.fc12.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Jan 29 14:19:39 UTC 2010 x86_64 x86_64 Alert Count 1 First Seen Sun 21 Feb 2010 05:42:11 AM EST Last Seen Sun 21 Feb 2010 05:42:11 AM EST Local ID bbe2d9d8-17c5-4dd0-b99b-971acd50d151 Line Numbers Raw Audit Messages node= type=AVC msg=audit(1266748931.439:6): avc: denied { create } for pid=1148 comm="NetworkManager" name="NetworkManager.state.R4GQ8U" scontext=system_u:system_r:NetworkManager_t:s0 tcontext=system_u:object_r:var_lib_t:s0 tclass=file node= type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1266748931.439:6): arch=c000003e syscall=2 success=no exit=-13 a0=22c2170 a1=c2 a2=1b6 a3=4d6b726f7774654e items=0 ppid=1147 pid=1148 auid=4294967295 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 suid=0 fsuid=0 egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 tty=(none) ses=4294967295 comm="NetworkManager" exe="/usr/sbin/NetworkManager" subj=system_u:system_r:NetworkManager_t:s0 key=(null) {Alert 2} Summary: SELinux is preventing access to files with the label, file_t. Detailed Description: SELinux permission checks on files labeled file_t are being denied. file_t is the context the SELinux kernel gives to files that do not have a label. This indicates a serious labeling problem. No files on an SELinux box should ever be labeled file_t. If you have just added a disk drive to the system you can relabel it using the restorecon command. For example if you saved the home directory from a previous installation that did not use SELinux, 'restorecon -R -v /home' will fix the labels. Otherwise you should relabel the entire file system. Allowing Access: You can execute the following command as root to relabel your computer system: "touch /.autorelabel; reboot" Additional Information: Source Context system_u:system_r:xdm_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 Target Context system_u:object_r:file_t:s0 Target Objects /home/john [ dir ] Source gdm-simple-gree Source Path /usr/libexec/gdm-simple-greeter Port Host apollo Source RPM Packages gdm-2.28.2-1.fc12 Target RPM Packages Policy RPM selinux-policy-3.6.32-89.fc12 Selinux Enabled True Policy Type targeted Enforcing Mode Enforcing Plugin Name file Host Name apollo Platform Linux apollo 2.6.32.7-37.fc12.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Jan 29 14:19:39 UTC 2010 x86_64 x86_64 Alert Count 281 First Seen Sun 21 Feb 2010 05:42:32 AM EST Last Seen Mon 15 Mar 2010 10:12:19 AM EDT Local ID 76dd86e3-aa08-4fd1-a645-cfa884cc8337 Line Numbers Raw Audit Messages node=apollo type=AVC msg=audit(1268662339.365:28903): avc: denied { read } for pid=1813 comm="gdm-simple-gree" name="john" dev=sda6 ino=6422529 scontext=system_u:system_r:xdm_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 tcontext=system_u:object_r:file_t:s0 tclass=dir node=apollo type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1268662339.365:28903): arch=c000003e syscall=254 success=no exit=-13 a0=12 a1=27f0180 a2=1002fce a3=1 items=0 ppid=1742 pid=1813 auid=4294967295 uid=42 gid=475 euid=42 suid=42 fsuid=42 egid=475 sgid=475 fsgid=475 tty=(none) ses=4294967295 comm="gdm-simple-gree" exe="/usr/libexec/gdm-simple-greeter" subj=system_u:system_r:xdm_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 key=(null) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 15:00:27 2010 From: vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jon VanAlten) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:00:27 -0400 Subject: : In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5390d2751003150800j1edcda37r1da0fa128ed81639@mail.gmail.com> As a Fedora user, Red Hat Bugzilla (and google) is your friend ?:D https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=562328 So I'd try a #yum update (or otherwise confirm that your selinux-policy package is at least as new as the version mentioned in Comment #3), then if you still get these alerts add your 2 cents to the bug report, to help the root cause get fixed. ?But if you care only about your own system, the command mentioned in Comment 1 should do the trick. cheers, jon On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:45 AM, ? wrote: > I'm getting these SELinux security alerts on my Fedora 12. I don't know if > it's a misconfiguration or a real threat. Does anyone know what it means? > I've been getting the first alert from the time I installed the distro, but > haven't come up with a pattern yet. They have always been the same until > today - I received a new alert, which follows the first one. > > I'll be executing some of the commands suggested on the alerts once I have a > better idea of what's happening. > > Thanks, > > John. > > > {Alert 1} > Summary: > > SELinux is preventing /usr/sbin/NetworkManager "create" access on > NetworkManager.state.R4GQ8U. > > Detailed Description: > > SELinux denied access requested by NetworkManager. It is not expected that > this > access is required by NetworkManager and this access may signal an intrusion > attempt. It is also possible that the specific version or configuration of > the > application is causing it to require additional access. > > Allowing Access: > > You can generate a local policy module to allow this access - see FAQ > (http://docs.fedoraproject.org/selinux-faq-fc5/#id2961385) Please file a bug > report. > > Additional Information: > > Source Context??????????????? system_u:system_r:NetworkManager_t:s0 > Target Context??????????????? system_u:object_r:var_lib_t:s0 > Target Objects??????????????? NetworkManager.state.R4GQ8U [ file ] > Source??????????????????????? NetworkManager > Source Path?????????????????? /usr/sbin/NetworkManager > Port????????????????????????? > Host????????????????????????? > Source RPM Packages?????????? NetworkManager-0.7.998-2.git20100106.fc12 > Target RPM Packages > Policy RPM??????????????????? selinux-policy-3.6.32-78.fc12 > Selinux Enabled?????????????? True > Policy Type?????????????????? targeted > Enforcing Mode??????????????? Enforcing > Plugin Name?????????????????? catchall > Host Name???????????????????? > Platform????????????????????? Linux 2.6.32.7-37.fc12.x86_64 #1 > SMP Fri > ????????????????????????????? Jan 29 14:19:39 UTC 2010 x86_64 x86_64 > Alert Count?????????????????? 1 > First Seen??????????????????? Sun 21 Feb 2010 05:42:11 AM EST > Last Seen???????????????????? Sun 21 Feb 2010 05:42:11 AM EST > Local ID????????????????????? bbe2d9d8-17c5-4dd0-b99b-971acd50d151 > Line Numbers > > Raw Audit Messages > > node= type=AVC msg=audit(1266748931.439:6): avc:? denied? { create > } for? pid=1148 comm="NetworkManager" name="NetworkManager.state.R4GQ8U" > scontext=system_u:system_r:NetworkManager_t:s0 > tcontext=system_u:object_r:var_lib_t:s0 tclass=file > > node= type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1266748931.439:6): arch=c000003e > syscall=2 success=no exit=-13 a0=22c2170 a1=c2 a2=1b6 a3=4d6b726f7774654e > items=0 ppid=1147 pid=1148 auid=4294967295 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 suid=0 fsuid=0 > egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 tty=(none) ses=4294967295 comm="NetworkManager" > exe="/usr/sbin/NetworkManager" subj=system_u:system_r:NetworkManager_t:s0 > key=(null) > > {Alert 2} > > Summary: > > SELinux is preventing access to files with the label, file_t. > > Detailed Description: > > SELinux permission checks on files labeled file_t are being denied. file_t > is > the context the SELinux kernel gives to files that do not have a label. This > indicates a serious labeling problem. No files on an SELinux box should ever > be > labeled file_t. If you have just added a disk drive to the system you can > relabel it using the restorecon command. For example if you saved the home > directory from a previous installation that did not use SELinux, 'restorecon > -R > -v /home' will fix the labels. Otherwise you should relabel the entire file > system. > > Allowing Access: > > You can execute the following command as root to relabel your computer > system: > "touch /.autorelabel; reboot" > > Additional Information: > > Source Context??????????????? system_u:system_r:xdm_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 > Target Context??????????????? system_u:object_r:file_t:s0 > Target Objects??????????????? /home/john [ dir ] > Source??????????????????????? gdm-simple-gree > Source Path?????????????????? /usr/libexec/gdm-simple-greeter > Port????????????????????????? > Host????????????????????????? apollo > Source RPM Packages?????????? gdm-2.28.2-1.fc12 > Target RPM Packages > Policy RPM??????????????????? selinux-policy-3.6.32-89.fc12 > Selinux Enabled?????????????? True > Policy Type?????????????????? targeted > Enforcing Mode??????????????? Enforcing > Plugin Name?????????????????? file > Host Name???????????????????? apollo > Platform????????????????????? Linux apollo 2.6.32.7-37.fc12.x86_64 #1 SMP > Fri > ????????????????????????????? Jan 29 14:19:39 UTC 2010 x86_64 x86_64 > Alert Count?????????????????? 281 > First Seen??????????????????? Sun 21 Feb 2010 05:42:32 AM EST > Last Seen???????????????????? Mon 15 Mar 2010 10:12:19 AM EDT > Local ID????????????????????? 76dd86e3-aa08-4fd1-a645-cfa884cc8337 > Line Numbers > > Raw Audit Messages > > node=apollo type=AVC msg=audit(1268662339.365:28903): avc:? denied? { read } > for? pid=1813 comm="gdm-simple-gree" name="john" dev=sda6 ino=6422529 > scontext=system_u:system_r:xdm_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 > tcontext=system_u:object_r:file_t:s0 tclass=dir > > node=apollo type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1268662339.365:28903): arch=c000003e > syscall=254 success=no exit=-13 a0=12 a1=27f0180 a2=1002fce a3=1 items=0 > ppid=1742 pid=1813 auid=4294967295 uid=42 gid=475 euid=42 suid=42 fsuid=42 > egid=475 sgid=475 fsgid=475 tty=(none) ses=4294967295 comm="gdm-simple-gree" > exe="/usr/libexec/gdm-simple-greeter" > subj=system_u:system_r:xdm_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 key=(null) > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 17:13:05 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:13:05 -0400 Subject: Pi day... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100315171305.GD4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 11:49:14AM -0500, Gary Layng wrote: > On Sunday 14 March 2010 12:29:08 you wrote: > > Just to briefly note, today is Pi day (3.14). Enjoy... > > > > Colin. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > 'Cause three point one four is so near, > To pi, it's now frightfully clear, > Since it looks like a date, > Some take it as fate, > And point it out year after year. How about 3/14 at 1:59? Any closer? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 17:14:02 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:14:02 -0400 Subject: Pi day... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100315171402.GE4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:40:49PM -0400, Renata Rocha wrote: > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 12:29, Colin McGregor wrote: > > Just to briefly note, today is Pi day (3.14). Enjoy... > > I noticed that on March 14 2015 at 9:26 we'll have a more accurate Pi date. Nope. Not acceptable. Year goes first. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 17:17:40 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:17:40 -0400 Subject: OT: Copy NTFS based files between servers AND retaining permission intact In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100315171740.GF4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 03:19:48PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: > This is a tad window centric, so may not be entirely appropriate for > the LUG and hence the OT label. That being said, I believe some of us > might be dealing with Windows once in a while and hence the post. > > We are in the middle of migrating between to file servers and we used > robocopy.exe to move files to the new file server. I did a sample > check on some of the files and the permissions seemed to have carried > over well. However, when I sent out to selected users, some were > actually able to read documents that were originally unavailable. This > kind of mean manually going through all directories, something I would > rather avoid. > > Anyone know of a tool that can do this job better or have gone through > the experience before and would not mind sharing their experience? > > Would appreciate any pointers and thanks in advance rsync? unison? Should be lots of options. At least on linux rsync has an ACL flag (-A) which does the full posix ACL permissions. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 18:15:06 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:15:06 -0400 Subject: Pi day... In-Reply-To: <20100315171402.GE4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100315171402.GE4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:40:49PM -0400, Renata Rocha wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 12:29, Colin McGregor wrote: >> > Just to briefly note, today is Pi day (3.14). Enjoy... >> >> I noticed that on March 14 2015 at 9:26 we'll have a more accurate Pi date. > > Nope. ?Not acceptable. ?Year goes first. We've already accepted that we're kludging a decimalized approximation of a transcendental number onto a mixture of Babylonian base 60 notation, with components of Roman calendaring as further modified by Pope Gregory. When all that muddling around comes in as preconditions, I can't see why it isn't totally acceptable to do whatever modifications anyone imagines would increase the length of the "string match." After all, this certainly isn't about any notion of mathematics - the matching is totally a superstitious numerology thing. (And the amount of discussion this has gotten seems to fit my idle thesis that the amount of superstition in societies remains fairly constant. Those that give up on praying to Mary seem to find other superstitions to spend their time on. But I digress...) -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 18:17:58 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:17:58 -0400 Subject: Web log analysis tools? Message-ID: <20100315181758.GA15040@yam.witteman.ca> I have been asked to give a breakdown of hits to my company website by country. I know that this is not the last time I will be asked to do something with our web logs, so I'm looking for recommendations of a tool for web log analysis that will let me ask lots of interesting questions about our website users, including correlate the inbound IPs with their probably country of origin. Any thoughts? -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's over 9000 years old, but it does exactly what you want and it's easy-peasy to setup. Digi -- Digimer E-Mail: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 18:30:49 2010 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:30:49 +0000 Subject: : In-Reply-To: <5390d2751003150800j1edcda37r1da0fa128ed81639-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: ,<5390d2751003150800j1edcda37r1da0fa128ed81639@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, I didn't expect it to be a bug, thought I had a security problem. I've done the updating mentioned on Comment #3 and will keep an eye on it. Now I turn my attention to Alert 2 at bottom of email. I also found it in bugzilla https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=485921 I did the check shown on Comment #3 and found tons of files labeled file_t (# ls -lZ /home/family/.gconf/desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager -rw-------. family users system_u:object_r:file_t:s0 %gconf.xml) But I don't know what to do with that info (am not familiar with labels at all). The suggestion on Comment #2 is to do the follwoing: touch /.autorelabel;reboot Does that seem like a good idea? Would it be done for all of the directories involved? Any dangers to avoid? Thanks again, John. > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:00:27 -0400 > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: > From: vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > As a Fedora user, Red Hat Bugzilla (and google) is your friend :D > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=562328 > > So I'd try a #yum update (or otherwise confirm that your > selinux-policy package is at least as new as the version mentioned in > Comment #3), then if you still get these alerts add your 2 cents to > the bug report, to help the root cause get fixed. But if you care > only about your own system, the command mentioned in Comment 1 should > do the trick. > > cheers, > > jon > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:45 AM, wrote: > > I'm getting these SELinux security alerts on my Fedora 12. I don't know if > > it's a misconfiguration or a real threat. Does anyone know what it means? > > I've been getting the first alert from the time I installed the distro, but > > haven't come up with a pattern yet. They have always been the same until > > today - I received a new alert, which follows the first one. > > > > I'll be executing some of the commands suggested on the alerts once I have a > > better idea of what's happening. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John. > > > > > > {Alert 1} > > Summary: > > > > SELinux is preventing /usr/sbin/NetworkManager "create" access on > > NetworkManager.state.R4GQ8U. > > > > Detailed Description: > > > > SELinux denied access requested by NetworkManager. It is not expected that > > this > > access is required by NetworkManager and this access may signal an intrusion > > attempt. It is also possible that the specific version or configuration of > > the > > application is causing it to require additional access. > > > > Allowing Access: > > > > You can generate a local policy module to allow this access - see FAQ > > (http://docs.fedoraproject.org/selinux-faq-fc5/#id2961385) Please file a bug > > report. > > > > Additional Information: > > > > Source Context system_u:system_r:NetworkManager_t:s0 > > Target Context system_u:object_r:var_lib_t:s0 > > Target Objects NetworkManager.state.R4GQ8U [ file ] > > Source NetworkManager > > Source Path /usr/sbin/NetworkManager > > Port > > Host > > Source RPM Packages NetworkManager-0.7.998-2.git20100106.fc12 > > Target RPM Packages > > Policy RPM selinux-policy-3.6.32-78.fc12 > > Selinux Enabled True > > Policy Type targeted > > Enforcing Mode Enforcing > > Plugin Name catchall > > Host Name > > Platform Linux 2.6.32.7-37.fc12.x86_64 #1 > > SMP Fri > > Jan 29 14:19:39 UTC 2010 x86_64 x86_64 > > Alert Count 1 > > First Seen Sun 21 Feb 2010 05:42:11 AM EST > > Last Seen Sun 21 Feb 2010 05:42:11 AM EST > > Local ID bbe2d9d8-17c5-4dd0-b99b-971acd50d151 > > Line Numbers > > > > Raw Audit Messages > > > > node= type=AVC msg=audit(1266748931.439:6): avc: denied { create > > } for pid=1148 comm="NetworkManager" name="NetworkManager.state.R4GQ8U" > > scontext=system_u:system_r:NetworkManager_t:s0 > > tcontext=system_u:object_r:var_lib_t:s0 tclass=file > > > > node= type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1266748931.439:6): arch=c000003e > > syscall=2 success=no exit=-13 a0=22c2170 a1=c2 a2=1b6 a3=4d6b726f7774654e > > items=0 ppid=1147 pid=1148 auid=4294967295 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 suid=0 fsuid=0 > > egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 tty=(none) ses=4294967295 comm="NetworkManager" > > exe="/usr/sbin/NetworkManager" subj=system_u:system_r:NetworkManager_t:s0 > > key=(null) > > > > {Alert 2} > > > > Summary: > > > > SELinux is preventing access to files with the label, file_t. > > > > Detailed Description: > > > > SELinux permission checks on files labeled file_t are being denied. file_t > > is > > the context the SELinux kernel gives to files that do not have a label. This > > indicates a serious labeling problem. No files on an SELinux box should ever > > be > > labeled file_t. If you have just added a disk drive to the system you can > > relabel it using the restorecon command. For example if you saved the home > > directory from a previous installation that did not use SELinux, 'restorecon > > -R > > -v /home' will fix the labels. Otherwise you should relabel the entire file > > system. > > > > Allowing Access: > > > > You can execute the following command as root to relabel your computer > > system: > > "touch /.autorelabel; reboot" > > > > Additional Information: > > > > Source Context system_u:system_r:xdm_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 > > Target Context system_u:object_r:file_t:s0 > > Target Objects /home/john [ dir ] > > Source gdm-simple-gree > > Source Path /usr/libexec/gdm-simple-greeter > > Port > > Host apollo > > Source RPM Packages gdm-2.28.2-1.fc12 > > Target RPM Packages > > Policy RPM selinux-policy-3.6.32-89.fc12 > > Selinux Enabled True > > Policy Type targeted > > Enforcing Mode Enforcing > > Plugin Name file > > Host Name apollo > > Platform Linux apollo 2.6.32.7-37.fc12.x86_64 #1 SMP > > Fri > > Jan 29 14:19:39 UTC 2010 x86_64 x86_64 > > Alert Count 281 > > First Seen Sun 21 Feb 2010 05:42:32 AM EST > > Last Seen Mon 15 Mar 2010 10:12:19 AM EDT > > Local ID 76dd86e3-aa08-4fd1-a645-cfa884cc8337 > > Line Numbers > > > > Raw Audit Messages > > > > node=apollo type=AVC msg=audit(1268662339.365:28903): avc: denied { read } > > for pid=1813 comm="gdm-simple-gree" name="john" dev=sda6 ino=6422529 > > scontext=system_u:system_r:xdm_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 > > tcontext=system_u:object_r:file_t:s0 tclass=dir > > > > node=apollo type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1268662339.365:28903): arch=c000003e > > syscall=254 success=no exit=-13 a0=12 a1=27f0180 a2=1002fce a3=1 items=0 > > ppid=1742 pid=1813 auid=4294967295 uid=42 gid=475 euid=42 suid=42 fsuid=42 > > egid=475 sgid=475 fsgid=475 tty=(none) ses=4294967295 comm="gdm-simple-gree" > > exe="/usr/libexec/gdm-simple-greeter" > > subj=system_u:system_r:xdm_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 key=(null) > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:17 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I have been asked to give a breakdown of hits to my company website by > country. ?I know that this is not the last time I will be asked to do > something with our web logs, so I'm looking for recommendations of a > tool for web log analysis that will let me ask lots of interesting > questions about our website users, including correlate the inbound IPs > with their probably country of origin. ?Any thoughts? > -- > > yours, > > William > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFLnnnWHQtmiuz+KT8RAiFKAKCig92fKMBKyGX1l4Go9Sox4+NZ7wCeJO4l > /Gez5ug36osGUhlvqN2MW/0= > =HkBm > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- Myles Braithwaite http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 18:41:35 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:41:35 -0400 Subject: Pi day... In-Reply-To: References: <20100315171402.GE4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100315184135.GG4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 02:15:06PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:40:49PM -0400, Renata Rocha wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 12:29, Colin McGregor wrote: > >> > Just to briefly note, today is Pi day (3.14). Enjoy... > >> > >> I noticed that on March 14 2015 at 9:26 we'll have a more accurate Pi date. > > > > Nope. ?Not acceptable. ?Year goes first. > > We've already accepted that we're kludging a decimalized approximation > of a transcendental number onto a mixture of Babylonian base 60 > notation, with components of Roman calendaring as further modified by > Pope Gregory. > > When all that muddling around comes in as preconditions, I can't see > why it isn't totally acceptable to do whatever modifications anyone > imagines would increase the length of the "string match." > > After all, this certainly isn't about any notion of mathematics - the > matching is totally a superstitious numerology thing. (And the amount > of discussion this has gotten seems to fit my idle thesis that the > amount of superstition in societies remains fairly constant. Those > that give up on praying to Mary seem to find other superstitions to > spend their time on. But I digress...) You have to pick an order. You can go largest to smallest or smallest to largest. So year month day or day month year. Pick one or ther other. You can not go month day year, since that is just a mess. Year first is obviously best since it naturally sorts in the right order. Of course you also use fixed width numbers (so always 2 digits for month and day and 4 for year). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 18:42:19 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:42:19 -0400 Subject: Web log analysis tools? In-Reply-To: <20100315181758.GA15040-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100315181758.GA15040@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20100315184219.GH4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 02:17:58PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I have been asked to give a breakdown of hits to my company website by > country. I know that this is not the last time I will be asked to do > something with our web logs, so I'm looking for recommendations of a > tool for web log analysis that will let me ask lots of interesting > questions about our website users, including correlate the inbound IPs > with their probably country of origin. Any thoughts? geoIP might help with part of it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 19:01:25 2010 From: vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jon VanAlten) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:01:25 -0400 Subject: : In-Reply-To: References: <5390d2751003150800j1edcda37r1da0fa128ed81639@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5390d2751003151201w41edf0a7sae022461f2c443e8@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:30 PM, wrote: > Thanks, I didn't expect it to be a bug, thought I had a security problem. > I've done the updating mentioned on Comment #3 and will keep an eye on it. > > Now I turn my attention to Alert 2 at bottom of email. I also found it in > bugzilla > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=485921 > I did the check shown on Comment #3 and found tons of files labeled file_t > (# ls -lZ /home/family/.gconf/desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager > -rw-------. family users system_u:object_r:file_t:s0????? %gconf.xml) > > But I don't know what to do with that info (am not familiar with labels at > all). The suggestion on Comment #2 is to do the follwoing: > touch /.autorelabel;reboot > > Does that seem like a good idea? Would it be done for all of the directories > involved? Any dangers to avoid? > Not sure what dangers might exist tbh, but it might be a case of using a cannon when hunting squirrels. Sure the squirrel will end up dead, but you probably could use a pellet gun. As I understand it, by touching that file and then rebooting, SELinux will relabel the entire filesystem starting at / before fully booting the system. In that bug, note that the Target Object which SELinux is beefing about actually is / , which I suspect is why this is their solution. However in your case it seems from the alert and from the other info you've added that this is contained to /home. Perhaps, you should pay particular attention to the part of your SELinux output: >> > relabel it using the restorecon command. For example if you saved the >> > home >> > directory from a previous installation that did not use SELinux, >> > 'restorecon >> > -R >> > -v /home' will fix the labels. Otherwise you should relabel the entire >> > file >> > system. And decide based on this what the most appropriate action is. Cheers, jon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rafael.carneiro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 19:10:00 2010 From: rafael.carneiro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rafael Carneiro) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:10:00 -0400 Subject: OT: Copy NTFS based files between servers AND retaining permission intact In-Reply-To: <20100315171740.GF4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100315171740.GF4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Shouldn't robocopy /COPYALL (or /COPY:DATSOU) do that? /COPY:copyflag[s] :: what to COPY (default is /COPY:DAT). (copyflags : D=Data, A=Attributes, T=Timestamps). (S=Security=NTFS ACLs, O=Owner info, U=aUditing info). Cheers, Rafael On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 03:19:48PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: > > This is a tad window centric, so may not be entirely appropriate for > > the LUG and hence the OT label. That being said, I believe some of us > > might be dealing with Windows once in a while and hence the post. > > > > We are in the middle of migrating between to file servers and we used > > robocopy.exe to move files to the new file server. I did a sample > > check on some of the files and the permissions seemed to have carried > > over well. However, when I sent out to selected users, some were > > actually able to read documents that were originally unavailable. This > > kind of mean manually going through all directories, something I would > > rather avoid. > > > > Anyone know of a tool that can do this job better or have gone through > > the experience before and would not mind sharing their experience? > > > > Would appreciate any pointers and thanks in advance > > rsync? unison? > > Should be lots of options. > > At least on linux rsync has an ACL flag (-A) which does the full posix > ACL permissions. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 19:45:38 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:45:38 -0400 Subject: OT: Copy NTFS based files between servers AND retaining permission intact In-Reply-To: References: <20100315171740.GF4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100315194538.GI4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 03:10:00PM -0400, Rafael Carneiro wrote: > Shouldn't robocopy /COPYALL (or /COPY:DATSOU) do that? > > /COPY:copyflag[s] :: what to COPY (default is /COPY:DAT). > (copyflags : D=Data, A=Attributes, T=Timestamps). > (S=Security=NTFS ACLs, O=Owner info, U=aUditing info). I don't know. Never heard of robocopy before. I tend not to trust anything running on windows. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 20:12:34 2010 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Web log analysis tools? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <661327.99498.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Me too. Even though I have not really believed the geoip part. EK --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Myles Braithwaite wrote: From: Myles Braithwaite Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Web log analysis tools? To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Received: Monday, March 15, 2010, 2:34 PM I use Awstats with the GeoIP tools. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:17 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I have been asked to give a breakdown of hits to my company website by > country. I know that this is not the last time I will be asked to do > something with our web logs, so I'm looking for recommendations of a > tool for web log analysis that will let me ask lots of interesting > questions about our website users, including correlate the inbound IPs > with their probably country of origin. Any thoughts? > -- > > yours, > > William > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFLnnnWHQtmiuz+KT8RAiFKAKCig92fKMBKyGX1l4Go9Sox4+NZ7wCeJO4l > /Gez5ug36osGUhlvqN2MW/0= > =HkBm > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- Myles Braithwaite http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: References: <20100315181758.GA15040@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: You can see PyGTA's Awstats information if you are interested: http://pygta.org/awstats/awstats.pl On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > I use Awstats with the GeoIP tools. > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:17 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman > wrote: >> I have been asked to give a breakdown of hits to my company website by >> country. ?I know that this is not the last time I will be asked to do >> something with our web logs, so I'm looking for recommendations of a >> tool for web log analysis that will let me ask lots of interesting >> questions about our website users, including correlate the inbound IPs >> with their probably country of origin. ?Any thoughts? >> -- >> >> yours, >> >> William >> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iD8DBQFLnnnWHQtmiuz+KT8RAiFKAKCig92fKMBKyGX1l4Go9Sox4+NZ7wCeJO4l >> /Gez5ug36osGUhlvqN2MW/0= >> =HkBm >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> > > > > -- > Myles Braithwaite > http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > -- Myles Braithwaite http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 20:51:26 2010 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Web log analysis tools? In-Reply-To: References: <20100315181758.GA15040@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <77e6e2f6517e68d16625aa4064718419.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> I second this, Awstasts (with GeoIP) is a great analyzer. > I use Awstats with the GeoIP tools. > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:17 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman > wrote: >> I have been asked to give a breakdown of hits to my company website by >> country. ??I know that this is not the last time I will be asked to do >> something with our web logs, so I'm looking for recommendations of a >> tool for web log analysis that will let me ask lots of interesting >> questions about our website users, including correlate the inbound IPs >> with their probably country of origin. ??Any thoughts? >> -- >> >> yours, >> >> William >> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iD8DBQFLnnnWHQtmiuz+KT8RAiFKAKCig92fKMBKyGX1l4Go9Sox4+NZ7wCeJO4l >> /Gez5ug36osGUhlvqN2MW/0= >> =HkBm >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> > > > > -- > Myles Braithwaite > http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 20:58:33 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: interesting discontinued netbook Message-ID: LG X120-N.CSBAA8 Netbook $329 (free shipping because it is over $100): Things I noted: + 1366 x 768 resolution screen + LED backlight + 6-cell battery - one bar for trackpad buttons so pressing left and right at the same time (to simulate middle button in X) cannot be done. What does one do instead? + uses gma 950 -- Linux support + "Smart On", some kind of quick-boot minimal Linux (on disk?) + bluetooth and 802.11b/g + room for 3g radio? MiniPCI slot? (Some models come with one.) - 1G RAM; 160G HD + 3 USB (more than some netbooks if I remember correctly) + 1.3M webcam + flash card reader built-in. SD listed but SDHC is not. I hope that that is a mistake. [sales person says it should do SDHC] - OS: Win7 Starter This is a year-old model. Newer is better. I'm not clear what the warranty is. It appears to be 1 year parts and labour from LG, but perhaps only in the US. On the other hand, the tigerdirect writeup refers to "Canadian English" Window 7 Starter Edition. [Sales person says that support should be from LG Canada.] I cannot find this model on the LG web site. I wonder if it has a bilingual keyboard. It seems to be unavailable on the tiger direct US website. [The site does not specify the layout so the sales person thinks it should be US layout.] I just ordered one (after I typed the above). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 21:43:39 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: IT360 Message-ID: IT360 is coming up on April 7. Early-Bird registration ends on Mar 19. So I went to the site and found that they want $20 for "Expo Hall Only". Traditionally this has been free if you register soon enough. I'm cheap enough to skip it this year for that reason. Ahh. Toronto Asterisk Users Group has a discount code to make this free. Does GTALUG? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 15 22:25:44 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:25:44 -0400 Subject: IT360 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:43 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > IT360 is coming up on April 7. ?Early-Bird registration ends on Mar 19. > ? > > So I went to the site and found that they want $20 for "Expo Hall Only". > Traditionally this has been free if you register soon enough. > I'm cheap enough to skip it this year for that reason. > > Ahh. ?Toronto Asterisk Users Group has a discount code to make this free. > > Does GTALUG? Nope. The relevance of this show to GTALUG seems to have been declining, so involvement has pretty well evaporated. If TAUG has a code you can use, then feel free to use that :-). -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 16 01:15:03 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:15:03 -0500 Subject: OT: Copy NTFS based files between servers AND retaining permission intact In-Reply-To: References: <20100315171740.GF4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 15 March 2010 14:10, Rafael Carneiro wrote: > Shouldn't robocopy /COPYALL (or /COPY:DATSOU) do that? > > /COPY:copyflag[s] :: what to COPY (default is /COPY:DAT). > ???????????????????? (copyflags : D=Data, A=Attributes, T=Timestamps). > ???????????????????? (S=Security=NTFS ACLs, O=Owner info, U=aUditing info). > > Hmm, actually that is the flag that I used. Like this robocopy "H:\\Directory" "D:\\Directory2\Directory3" /COPYALL /E /R:0 Thought copy all would do it. Not sure what went wrong till now. However, Andrej I like your suggestion, how do you get the summery of a tree's permissions so that I compare the old and the new stuff. Its far better than manually opening every directory and checking the properties for permission. Lennart, I actually toyed with the idea of using live CD and then use rsync, and certain it would keep the posix permissions very reliably. Question is, does this apply to NTFS permission too? Google could not find me an answer for that from reliable source, so I let the idea go. William > Cheers, > Rafael > > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 03:19:48PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: >> > This is a tad window centric, so may not be entirely appropriate for >> > the LUG and hence the OT label. That being said, I believe some of us >> > might be dealing with Windows once in a while and hence the post. >> > >> > We are in the middle of migrating between to file servers and we used >> > robocopy.exe to move files to the new file server. I did a sample >> > check on some of the files and the permissions seemed to have carried >> > over well. However, when I sent out to selected users, some were >> > actually able to read documents that were originally unavailable. This >> > kind of mean manually going through all directories, something I would >> > rather avoid. >> > >> > Anyone know of a tool that can do this job better or have gone through >> > the experience before and would not mind sharing their experience? >> > >> > Would appreciate any pointers and thanks in advance >> >> rsync? ?unison? >> >> Should be lots of options. >> >> At least on linux rsync has an ACL flag (-A) which does the full posix >> ACL permissions. >> >> -- >> Len Sorensen >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 16 01:35:07 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:35:07 -0400 Subject: OT: Copy NTFS based files between servers AND retaining permission intact In-Reply-To: References: <20100315171740.GF4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:15 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > Lennart, I actually toyed with the idea of using live CD and then use > rsync, and certain it would keep the posix permissions very reliably. > Question is, does this apply to NTFS permission too? Google could not > find me an answer for that from reliable source, so I let the idea go. It's not obvious to me what it'd do. I was copying stuff yesterday onto an SD card, using Unison, and ran into a permissions problem that's not unlike this. The filesystem is FAT, so the permission bits are fairly simulated. I started with eBooks on my machine's disk. They had typical sorts of mixed permissions; something like 0600. Unison tried duplicating that onto the FAT filesystem, and obviously couldn't, as it only has 2-ish bits to play with. Unfortunately, at that point, Unison threw up its hands in despair, and declined to copy the files. I had to fiddle the permissions by hand to get the files to copy. It's possible that rsync could get things right if copying "same to same" (e.g. - Unix to Unix, NTFS to NTFS, and such), but getting it wrong is certainly plausible. And note that I'm not notably irritated with Unison folk over my experience; what "should" be done isn't particularly obvious. The "reject that file" option that they picked *was* one of the valid choices; it has the merit that I wouldn't find security invisibly diminished by virtue of the permissions having been silently opened up. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 16 01:36:23 2010 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:36:23 -0400 Subject: Pi day... In-Reply-To: References: <20100315171402.GE4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B9EE097.6020100@the-wire.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > We've already accepted that we're kludging a decimalized approximation > of a transcendental number onto a mixture of Babylonian base 60 > notation, with components of Roman calendaring as further modified by > Pope Gregory. It was sometime on Feb. 27 that the earth had travelled its first radian this year. Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 16 05:34:59 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 01:34:59 -0400 Subject: Amarok 2.3.0 "Clear Light" released Message-ID: <7c50d3571003152234t7494b63dma5ad2f5f443f648f@mail.gmail.com> >From the web site: "Team Amarok is proud to announce Amarok 2.3.0. It contains many improvements and bugfixes over Amarok 2.2.2 as well as many new features. Areas such as podcast support and saved playlists have seen huge improvements, as has the support for USB mass storage devices (including generic MP3 players). "With large parts of Amarok 2 becoming quite mature, it was also time to start looking forward again. Therefore, this release also contains a number of new features of a slightly more experimental nature. These include a new main toolbar and a rewritten and much simpler file browser. These parts are brand new and based on user feedback, and they will change and improve over the next few releases. The old slim toolbar is still available should you prefer that, but we encourage you to try out the new toolbar and tell us what you think. The file browser's look and feel now aligns more closely with the rest of Amarok with improvements such as breadcrumb navigation, and it is now focused on being a way to find and play music instead of being a multi-purpose file manager. "The context menu of tracks in your playlist now offers a "show in media sources" option, making it easier to find the same track again in the collection browser for editing, moving or deleting the file. "Podcasts have received a configuration dialog allowing you to change the update interval as well as the location to store new downloaded episodes. Podcasts and saved playlists are now also grouped by source, and a merged view is available just like in your local collection - perfect for those that don't care where their music is coming from but simply want to listen to it. Now, when a new source of playlists or podcasts becomes available, Amarok will switch off merged view and show a collapsible list of your new listening sources. "The Wikipedia applet now looks better and links have been fixed. Internal links to other pages on Wikipedia will display in the applet, and external links open a browser window. "In short, Team Amarok has been focusing hard on furthering our long-term goal: making Amarok the best tool for immersing yourself in music, no matter where it comes from." http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.3.0 -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 16 05:38:34 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 01:38:34 -0400 Subject: Fluendo Launches the Ultimate Media Center for Linux Operative Systems Message-ID: <7c50d3571003152238s4084d985oac2508e5d10cb084@mail.gmail.com> I think they meant "Operating" and not 'Operative': "Barcelona, SPAIN ? March 15, 2010- Fluendo S.A. is delighted to announce release of the ultimate Media Center for Linux Operative Systems. "Fluendo is an established leading provider of multimedia plug-ins for the GNU/Linux Market, and has succeeded in offering legal end-to-end solutions working with multiple formats and platforms. "Fluendo has announced the release of its Media Center, a software application developed by the Spanish company. Fluendo Media Center?s versatility was evident from the off when it was used for reproducing a whole manner of multimedia in a variety of devices using completely different platforms. Whether on Windows, Linux or Open Solaris; on netbooks, mobile internet devices (MIDs), notebooks or set-top boxes, Fluendo Media Center demonstrated not only its outstanding adaptability, but also its multiple features, attractive graphics and user-friendly interface. This first release will only be operational on Linux distributions but it is expected to get the application running on Windows in the near future. ?The market was missing this legal solution based upon the GStreamer framework. Fluendo Media Center provides end users with a smooth playback and all correspondent licenses from patent holders. We have worked hard to build a global solution that encompasses all of our products as whole, and we have succeeded?, explained Pascal Pegaz Paquet, Fluendo?s co-founder. "Fluendo Media Center gathers all Fluendo?s expertise in software development for Multimedia in one single application, since it comes with all Fluendo?s software integrated and their respective patent licenses. After obtaining outstanding results with the codecs and the DVD Player, Fluendo decided to integrate all these solutions into one single application that meets every conceivable expectation: it reproduces DVDs regardless of the region and CSS encryptions, and plays audio and video files of all major formats. "We were delighted to see Fluendo bring the first genuine Dolby certified DVD player to Linux earlier this year. For the first time Linux users have the assurance of the quality of their DVD playback experience through Dolby?s extensive testing and certification of this product,? said Mary Anderson, Marketing Director, PC Segment, Dolby Laboratories. (NYSE:DLB) "Fluendo is developing state of the art solutions to playback videos and music on different operative systems and devices. More news on the availability of further versions of the Fluendo Media Center and other Fluendo multimedia solutions will be featured on the website www.fluendo.com" http://www.fluendo.com/press/fluendo-launches-ultimate-media-center-linux-operative-systems/ -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 16 06:02:46 2010 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:02:46 +0100 Subject: Web log analysis tools? In-Reply-To: <4B9E7B11.1060101-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> (Digimer's message of "Mon\, 15 Mar 2010 14\:23\:13 -0400") References: <20100315181758.GA15040@yam.witteman.ca> <4B9E7B11.1060101@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <87ocioercp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Digimer a ?crit profondement: | | Webalizer does exactly what you want and it's easy-peasy to setup. | Second that -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 16 13:44:05 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:44:05 -0400 Subject: OT: Copy NTFS based files between servers AND retaining permission intact In-Reply-To: References: <20100315171740.GF4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100316134405.GJ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 08:15:03PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: > On 15 March 2010 14:10, Rafael Carneiro wrote: > > Shouldn't robocopy /COPYALL (or /COPY:DATSOU) do that? > > > > /COPY:copyflag[s] :: what to COPY (default is /COPY:DAT). > > ???????????????????? (copyflags : D=Data, A=Attributes, T=Timestamps). > > ???????????????????? (S=Security=NTFS ACLs, O=Owner info, U=aUditing info). > > > > > Hmm, actually that is the flag that I used. Like this > > robocopy "H:\\Directory" "D:\\Directory2\Directory3" /COPYALL /E /R:0 > > Thought copy all would do it. Not sure what went wrong till now. > However, Andrej I like your suggestion, how do you get the summery of > a tree's permissions so that I compare the old and the new stuff. Its > far better than manually opening every directory and checking the > properties for permission. > > Lennart, I actually toyed with the idea of using live CD and then use > rsync, and certain it would keep the posix permissions very reliably. > Question is, does this apply to NTFS permission too? Google could not > find me an answer for that from reliable source, so I let the idea go. Hmm, not sure if the ntfs driver has posix acl support. It would make a lot of sense if it did, but that doesn't mean it does. I really don't deal with NTFS ever. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 16 13:50:19 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:50:19 -0400 Subject: Fluendo Launches the Ultimate Media Center for Linux Operative Systems In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571003152238s4084d985oac2508e5d10cb084-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003152238s4084d985oac2508e5d10cb084@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100316135019.GK4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:38:34AM -0400, Michael Lauzon wrote: > I think they meant "Operating" and not 'Operative': > > "Barcelona, SPAIN ? March 15, 2010- Fluendo S.A. is delighted to > announce release of the ultimate Media Center for Linux Operative > Systems. > > "Fluendo is an established leading provider of multimedia plug-ins for > the GNU/Linux Market, and has succeeded in offering legal end-to-end > solutions working with multiple formats and platforms. Really? Never heard of them before. > "Fluendo has announced the release of its Media Center, a software > application developed by the Spanish company. Fluendo Media Center?s > versatility was evident from the off when it was used for reproducing > a whole manner of multimedia in a variety of devices using completely > different platforms. Whether on Windows, Linux or Open Solaris; on > netbooks, mobile internet devices (MIDs), notebooks or set-top boxes, > Fluendo Media Center demonstrated not only its outstanding > adaptability, but also its multiple features, attractive graphics and > user-friendly interface. This first release will only be operational > on Linux distributions but it is expected to get the application > running on Windows in the near future. > > ?The market was missing this legal solution based upon the GStreamer > framework. Fluendo Media Center provides end users with a smooth > playback and all correspondent licenses from patent holders. We have > worked hard to build a global solution that encompasses all of our > products as whole, and we have succeeded?, explained Pascal Pegaz > Paquet, Fluendo?s co-founder. > > "Fluendo Media Center gathers all Fluendo?s expertise in software > development for Multimedia in one single application, since it comes > with all Fluendo?s software integrated and their respective patent > licenses. After obtaining outstanding results with the codecs and the > DVD Player, Fluendo decided to integrate all these solutions into one > single application that meets every conceivable expectation: it > reproduces DVDs regardless of the region and CSS encryptions, and > plays audio and video files of all major formats. I thought we had been able to do any region DVD playback for about a decade on linux now. How is this news? > "We were delighted to see Fluendo bring the first genuine Dolby > certified DVD player to Linux earlier this year. For the first time > Linux users have the assurance of the quality of their DVD playback > experience through Dolby?s extensive testing and certification of this > product,? said Mary Anderson, Marketing Director, PC Segment, Dolby > Laboratories. (NYSE:DLB) Not that it isn't possible to get it right without being certified by Dolby. > "Fluendo is developing state of the art solutions to playback videos > and music on different operative systems and devices. More news on the > availability of further versions of the Fluendo Media Center and other > Fluendo multimedia solutions will be featured on the website > www.fluendo.com" > > http://www.fluendo.com/press/fluendo-launches-ultimate-media-center-linux-operative-systems/ Silly company. Changed the URL to: http://www.fluendo.com/press/fluendo-launches-ultimate-media-center-linux-operating-systems/ So for ?40 you get something that does less than mythtv does for free. OK then. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 16 16:25:13 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fluendo Launches the Ultimate Media Center for Linux Operative Systems In-Reply-To: <20100316135019.GK4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003152238s4084d985oac2508e5d10cb084@mail.gmail.com> <20100316135019.GK4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org | To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org | Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Fluendo Launches the Ultimate Media Center for Linux | Operative Systems | | On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:38:34AM -0400, Michael Lauzon wrote: | > "Fluendo is an established leading provider of multimedia plug-ins for | > the GNU/Linux Market, and has succeeded in offering legal end-to-end | > solutions working with multiple formats and platforms. | | Really? Never heard of them before. Fluendo has been around for a while. They have provide Linux users with CODECs authorized by the patent holders. For some distro (Fedora? Ubuntu? I don't remember which) they are automatically offered as a source of CODECs by the system when it realizes that a new CODEC is needed. I suspect that not a lot of folks use them anyway, but I have no actual data on this. | I thought we had been able to do any region DVD playback for about a | decade on linux now. How is this news? Not in a way authorized by the patent holders. | Silly company. | So for ?40 you get something that does less than mythtv does for free. | OK then. Some folks try to do things the "by the book". It is thought that corporations in particular see the downsides of unauthorized use of patents and decide the cost of the authorization is worthwhile. On the other hand, the whole system has been brought into such disrepute that some do not care. Generally speaking, Linux folks seem to respect copyright and care less about patents. Not surprising: copyrights help Linux but patents hurt it. Quick test: do you use MP3 or Ogg Vorbis for music? (If you answer flac, you have successfully evaded my test.) MP3 is patent encumbered. In the early days, as I understand it, the MP3 patent holder said no royalty was required on players so even careful Linux distros had players. Then Fraunhofer Institute rescinded that permission. Now, Fedora (a careful US-domiciled distro) has no MP3 player (third parties make unauthorized MP3 software easily available for Fedora). Linux is at a disadvantage compared with MS Windows. MS licenses these things in bulk with a lot of bargaining power. They may not even pay anything since the patent holders need MS Windows support. From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 16 17:21:44 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:21:44 -0400 Subject: Fluendo Launches the Ultimate Media Center for Linux Operative Systems In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3571003152238s4084d985oac2508e5d10cb084@mail.gmail.com> <20100316135019.GK4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100316172144.GL4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:25:13PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Fluendo has been around for a while. > > They have provide Linux users with CODECs authorized by the patent > holders. Do they come with source code? > For some distro (Fedora? Ubuntu? I don't remember which) they are > automatically offered as a source of CODECs by the system when it > realizes that a new CODEC is needed. I suspect that not a lot of > folks use them anyway, but I have no actual data on this. > > | I thought we had been able to do any region DVD playback for about a > | decade on linux now. How is this news? > > Not in a way authorized by the patent holders. Perhaps not. I don't care. I don't copy DVDs. If I couldn't play them, I wouldn't buy them. I don't buy blueray because I can't play them. > Some folks try to do things the "by the book". It is thought that > corporations in particular see the downsides of unauthorized use of > patents and decide the cost of the authorization is worthwhile. And some people try to maintain their systems open source so that they can be supported and fixed if necesary. > On the other hand, the whole system has been brought into such > disrepute that some do not care. > > Generally speaking, Linux folks seem to respect copyright and care > less about patents. Not surprising: copyrights help Linux but patents > hurt it. Software patents hurt everyone (except lawyers). > Quick test: do you use MP3 or Ogg Vorbis for music? (If you answer > flac, you have successfully evaded my test.) MP3 is patent encumbered. And not all of those patents apply in all countries. In the case of my mythtv box I do in fact use flac. > In the early days, as I understand it, the MP3 patent holder said no > royalty was required on players so even careful Linux distros had > players. Then Fraunhofer Institute rescinded that permission. Now, > Fedora (a careful US-domiciled distro) has no MP3 player (third parties > make unauthorized MP3 software easily available for Fedora). > > Linux is at a disadvantage compared with MS Windows. MS licenses > these things in bulk with a lot of bargaining power. They may not > even pay anything since the patent holders need MS Windows support. Well it's only at a disadvantage for handling media in patent encumbered formats. There are patent free choices out there. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 16 19:28:11 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fluendo Launches the Ultimate Media Center for Linux Operative Systems In-Reply-To: <20100316172144.GL4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003152238s4084d985oac2508e5d10cb084@mail.gmail.com> <20100316135019.GK4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100316172144.GL4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:25:13PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > Fluendo has been around for a while. | > | > They have provide Linux users with CODECs authorized by the patent | > holders. | | Do they come with source code? I have no idea. I'm not a customer. | > | I thought we had been able to do any region DVD playback for about a | > | decade on linux now. How is this news? | > | > Not in a way authorized by the patent holders. | | Perhaps not. I don't care. I don't copy DVDs. If I couldn't play them, | I wouldn't buy them. I don't buy blueray because I can't play them. I don't play DVDs under Linux. I find that a $30 DVD player means that I don't have to. It still rankles me that there is no free (in both meanings) way to play DVDs on Linux. What you have given is a rationalization that has no legal weight. But I agree with you. | > Some folks try to do things the "by the book". It is thought that | > corporations in particular see the downsides of unauthorized use of | > patents and decide the cost of the authorization is worthwhile. | | And some people try to maintain their systems open source so that they | can be supported and fixed if necesary. Says he who advocates the nVidia closed-source X driver. It's all a balance of concerns. (I generally don't use closed-source stuff on my computers. I do use the nVidia driver on by Acer Revo -- in fact the box would be pointless without it. I don't have Flash on my desktop and a significant part of the web won't work for me.) | > On the other hand, the whole system has been brought into such | > disrepute that some do not care. | > | > Generally speaking, Linux folks seem to respect copyright and care | > less about patents. Not surprising: copyrights help Linux but patents | > hurt it. | | Software patents hurt everyone (except lawyers). Nice slogan. Unfortunately not 100% true. I agree with the sentiment. I don't actually see software patents as fundamentally different in kind from hardware patents. I don't actually see a fundamental dividing line between software and hardware leaving aside the patent issue. | > Quick test: do you use MP3 or Ogg Vorbis for music? (If you answer | > flac, you have successfully evaded my test.) MP3 is patent encumbered. | | And not all of those patents apply in all countries. I think they apply in the country we are both in. | In the case of my | mythtv box I do in fact use flac. Your wording suggests that you use MP3 somewhere else. I have a PMP that plays MP3 and Ogg Vorbis. Such PMPs are a little too rare for comfort. The North American model of mine (and many others) dropped OV support because the Microsoft Pays For Sure license required them to drop it! MS later said that they didn't mean it but the damage was done. So I flashed some australasian version's firmware. Even with OV support, it works better with MP3s. Fast forward and reverse don't work with my OV recordings. I've not taken the time to explore why. So there is (literally!) a conspiracy to make OV inferior. | > Linux is at a disadvantage compared with MS Windows. MS licenses | > these things in bulk with a lot of bargaining power. They may not | > even pay anything since the patent holders need MS Windows support. | | Well it's only at a disadvantage for handling media in patent encumbered | formats. There are patent free choices out there. Those choices are not used by many suppliers. In fact, fewer and fewer mainstream ones. Try to get an open version of a digital TV signal. ATSC includes MPEG/2 (why the heck not MPEG/4!!) which is patent encumbered. Try to get a DVD in a format that isn't patent encumbered (on several levels!). Analogue TV was open. Mind you, our beloved Hauppauge cards encoded into an encumbered format. CDs have a non-encumbered format (AFAIK). Subsequent music media are generally worse: MP3, AAC (or whatever it is iTunes uses), Sony's (thankfully essentially dead), Microsoft's several formats (WMV is a container, I think). Add to that various (intrinsically horrible) DRM techniques. One is HDCP and the whole "trusted video chain" thing. My pessimistic view is that "media access" is a serious blocker for Linux. It is partly sleeping at the moment: few patent holders are acting on Linux users' infringements. Microsoft is spreading FUD, but not as much as they could; they did whack Tom Tom. Some netbooks used to come with Linux. Did they come with movie and music players that could play patent-encumbered recordings? If not, most consumers would be dissatisified. If they did, the licensing would have been annoying. Perhaps Canonical (Ubuntu) or Acer (Linpus) did the work. Some servers are still shipped with Linux. Interesting how none of the media patents apply to those platforms. Is there a correlation to patent applicability and the willingness of hardware vendors to ship Linux? I don't think it would be easy for a large company to come out with a MythTV box, for example. The licensing required would be horrible. If not for that, I think that it would be an easy-ish product to create. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 16 20:12:49 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: Copy NTFS based files between servers AND retaining permission intact In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, William Muriithi wrote: > Anyone know of a tool that can do this job better or have gone through > the experience before and would not mind sharing their experience? ntfsclone is a *nix util that may fit the bill for you. Not sure if you absolutely had to do the move on MS-Windows though. In any case it is a useful app to know about. Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org IRC: Solver Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 16 20:17:12 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:17:12 -0400 Subject: Fluendo Launches the Ultimate Media Center for Linux Operative Systems In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3571003152238s4084d985oac2508e5d10cb084@mail.gmail.com> <20100316135019.GK4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100316172144.GL4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100316201712.GM4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 03:28:11PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Lennart Sorensen > | Do they come with source code? > > I have no idea. I'm not a customer. I suspect they don't. > | > | I thought we had been able to do any region DVD playback for about a > | > | decade on linux now. How is this news? > | > > | > Not in a way authorized by the patent holders. > | > | Perhaps not. I don't care. I don't copy DVDs. If I couldn't play them, > | I wouldn't buy them. I don't buy blueray because I can't play them. > > I don't play DVDs under Linux. I find that a $30 DVD player means > that I don't have to. It still rankles me that there is no free (in > both meanings) way to play DVDs on Linux. Well there are lots of free ways to play DVDs on linux. Whether they are "legal" or not is a different issue. > What you have given is a rationalization that has no legal weight. > But I agree with you. They claim it is copy protection. Well since I am not copying them, I don't see a problem. Of course it really isn't about copy protection at all, the laying bastards the media industry tends to be, but I will pretend it is. > | > Some folks try to do things the "by the book". It is thought that > | > corporations in particular see the downsides of unauthorized use of > | > patents and decide the cost of the authorization is worthwhile. > | > | And some people try to maintain their systems open source so that they > | can be supported and fixed if necesary. > > Says he who advocates the nVidia closed-source X driver. It's all a > balance of concerns. Actually no I would much prefer working open source 3D drivers. None seem to exist however for anything useable. For the available hardware worth using, only the nvidia has drivers worth using. There is I believe open source drivers for 3D on some intel chips, but they are so under powered and pathetic that they really don't count for anything. I keep hoping ATI/AMD's promise of open specs will actually happen some day and that someone will actually write drivers that work for them (ATI has certainly shown that they are not capable of doing the job). I only advocate the nvidia drivers because they are currently the only option there is for openGL on linux. I you wanted to run solidworks, I would tell you to run windows 7 64bit. I don't like that you have to do it that way, but it is the only way to do that job. > (I generally don't use closed-source stuff on my computers. I do use > the nVidia driver on by Acer Revo -- in fact the box would be > pointless without it. I don't have Flash on my desktop and a > significant part of the web won't work for me.) Flash is very annoying. > | > On the other hand, the whole system has been brought into such > | > disrepute that some do not care. > | > > | > Generally speaking, Linux folks seem to respect copyright and care > | > less about patents. Not surprising: copyrights help Linux but patents > | > hurt it. > | > | Software patents hurt everyone (except lawyers). > > Nice slogan. Unfortunately not 100% true. I agree with the > sentiment. Who other than lawyers do they help? Software patents are like nuclear weapons. Lots of people have them to use as deterrents against others with software patents. They all spend lots of money to acquire them (mostly to lawyers). Of course if no one had them there would be no need for them. > I don't actually see software patents as fundamentally different in > kind from hardware patents. I don't actually see a fundamental > dividing line between software and hardware leaving aside the patent issue. Depends on the hardware patent. There are many patents that seem stupendously obvious. There are some that are amazingly clever (and which I don't mind having patents at all). To some extent the duration of a patent should be appropriate to the world it is part of. In the computer industry, anything beyond 2 or 3 years is insane given the development pace. > | > Quick test: do you use MP3 or Ogg Vorbis for music? (If you answer > | > flac, you have successfully evaded my test.) MP3 is patent encumbered. > | > | And not all of those patents apply in all countries. > > I think they apply in the country we are both in. I am not actually so sure about that. Either way it looks like we only have a couple of more years left on the MP3 patents fortunately. > | In the case of my > | mythtv box I do in fact use flac. > > Your wording suggests that you use MP3 somewhere else. I have ogg files on my desktop. I don't use an mp3 player ever. I use CDs in the car. > I have a PMP that plays MP3 and Ogg Vorbis. Such PMPs are a little > too rare for comfort. > > The North American model of mine (and many others) dropped OV support > because the Microsoft Pays For Sure license required them to drop it! > MS later said that they didn't mean it but the damage was done. So I > flashed some australasian version's firmware. > > Even with OV support, it works better with MP3s. Fast forward and > reverse don't work with my OV recordings. I've not taken the time to > explore why. > > So there is (literally!) a conspiracy to make OV inferior. Well they probably tested mp3 more since that's what they figure people want. > Those choices are not used by many suppliers. In fact, fewer and > fewer mainstream ones. That doesn't mean I have to support them. > Try to get an open version of a digital TV signal. ATSC includes > MPEG/2 (why the heck not MPEG/4!!) which is patent encumbered. Try to > get a DVD in a format that isn't patent encumbered (on several > levels!). Analogue TV was open. Mind you, our beloved Hauppauge > cards encoded into an encumbered format. It uses mpeg2 because the standard was developed before mpeg4 decoding in hardware was affordable. Europe uses mpeg4 instead for broadcast. > CDs have a non-encumbered format (AFAIK). Subsequent music media are > generally worse: MP3, AAC (or whatever it is iTunes uses), Sony's > (thankfully essentially dead), Microsoft's several formats (WMV is a > container, I think). Amazing that people are willing to pay for less. > Add to that various (intrinsically horrible) DRM techniques. One is > HDCP and the whole "trusted video chain" thing. Yeah, why should I pay money to someone that assumes I am a criminal? > My pessimistic view is that "media access" is a serious blocker for > Linux. It is partly sleeping at the moment: few patent holders are > acting on Linux users' infringements. Microsoft is spreading FUD, but > not as much as they could; they did whack Tom Tom. > > Some netbooks used to come with Linux. Did they come with movie and music > players that could play patent-encumbered recordings? If not, most > consumers would be dissatisified. If they did, the licensing would have > been annoying. Perhaps Canonical (Ubuntu) or Acer (Linpus) did the > work. Not sure. I just use Debian. :) > Some servers are still shipped with Linux. Interesting how none of > the media patents apply to those platforms. Is there a correlation to > patent applicability and the willingness of hardware vendors to ship > Linux? > > I don't think it would be easy for a large company to come out with a > MythTV box, for example. The licensing required would be horrible. > If not for that, I think that it would be an easy-ish product to > create. Mythtv has many flaws that would have to be fixed before it really would be a sellable product. Setup of windows media center is far smoother and simpler. Mythtv does a lot more though (and I certainly wouldn't want to switch to media center). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 16 22:01:33 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:01:33 -0400 Subject: The $99 microlaptop, now available... Message-ID: The guys from OpenMoko have started a new thing... A palmtop, at $100 (USD, I think?), that's 99mm x 75mm x 17.5mm http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page http://sharism.cc/shop/index.php http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Qi-Hardware-Ben-NanoNote/ -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 16 23:55:59 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:55:59 -0400 Subject: The $99 microlaptop, now available... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think my old Nokia N800 has more horsepower than this one, but it's interesting nonetheless. On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 18:01, Christopher Browne wrote: > The guys from OpenMoko have started a new thing... > > A palmtop, at $100 (USD, I think?), that's 99mm x 75mm x 17.5mm > http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page > http://sharism.cc/shop/index.php > http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Qi-Hardware-Ben-NanoNote/ > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 17 02:06:24 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The $99 microlaptop, now available... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Fabio FZero | I think my old Nokia N800 has more horsepower than this one, but it's | interesting nonetheless. Quite a bit more. But it was more expensive (although you can find them for ~C$200 sometimes) and not open. This Ben thing isn't powerful enough to interest me. 32M of RAM and a 320x240 screen, and no networking make it too limited. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 17 02:42:04 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:42:04 -0400 Subject: The $99 microlaptop, now available... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:06 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Fabio FZero > > | I think my old Nokia N800 has more horsepower than this one, but it's > | interesting nonetheless. > > Quite a bit more. ?But it was more expensive (although you can find > them for ~C$200 sometimes) and not open. > > This Ben thing isn't powerful enough to interest me. ?32M of RAM and a > 320x240 screen, and no networking make it too limited. That's pretty fair, yes, I should probably have noted that it doesn't include networking hardware, as that quite likely matters. Even so, I'd like to see the project succeed such that they can come out with "v2.0" which is more capable, and it may be that they need to demonstrate some interest in this one in order to justify the next one. Hugh will probably recall the "Osbourne effect" :-) -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 17 03:45:38 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:45:38 -0400 Subject: The $99 microlaptop, now available... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 18:01, Christopher Browne wrote: > The guys from OpenMoko have started a new thing... > > A palmtop, at $100 (USD, I think?), that's 99mm x 75mm x 17.5mm > http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page > http://sharism.cc/shop/index.php > http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Qi-Hardware-Ben-NanoNote/ Oh, it feels like the OLPC... -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 17 04:40:06 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:40:06 -0400 Subject: USB thumb drive stopped working Message-ID: I last used the drive to plug into my PS3 with some videos to watch. The next day I plugged it into my computer and nothing. I took it to work tonight, and it works fine on my Ubuntu machine there. When I plug it into my computer at home, /var/log/messages shows this: Mar 17 00:32:24 node1 kernel: [301499.628077] usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 66 Mar 17 00:32:25 node1 kernel: [301500.196030] usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 67 Mar 17 00:32:25 node1 kernel: [301500.764025] usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 68 Mar 17 00:32:26 node1 kernel: [301501.292026] usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 69 Mar 17 00:32:27 node1 kernel: [301501.828028] usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 23 Mar 17 00:32:57 node1 kernel: [301532.372026] usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 24 Mar 17 00:33:28 node1 kernel: [301562.916022] usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 25 ...but nothing is mounted, and it cannot be seen even by gparted. What else can I check on here? -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 17 04:52:49 2010 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:52:49 -0400 Subject: The $99 microlaptop, now available... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BA06021.8050309@rogers.com> Renata Rocha wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 18:01, Christopher Browne wrote: >> The guys from OpenMoko have started a new thing... >> >> A palmtop, at $100 (USD, I think?), that's 99mm x 75mm x 17.5mm >> http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page >> http://sharism.cc/shop/index.php >> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Qi-Hardware-Ben-NanoNote/ > > Oh, it feels like the OLPC... What does the "..." imply? BTW, the OLPC project is mainly about education. The $100 laptop is just a means to that end. -- Yanni -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 17 12:56:19 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:56:19 -0400 Subject: The $99 microlaptop, now available... In-Reply-To: <4BA06021.8050309-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA06021.8050309@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 00:52, Yanni Chiu wrote: > Renata Rocha wrote: >> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 18:01, Christopher Browne >> wrote: >>> >>> The guys from OpenMoko have started a new thing... >>> >>> A palmtop, at $100 (USD, I think?), that's 99mm x 75mm x 17.5mm >>> http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page >>> http://sharism.cc/shop/index.php >>> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Qi-Hardware-Ben-NanoNote/ >> >> Oh, it feels like the OLPC... > > What does the "..." imply? > > BTW, the OLPC project is mainly about education. The $100 laptop is just a > means to that end. a $100 laptop that doesn't work as it should. And, as somebody here already said, they'll end up releasing a new advanced version that won't cost $100 after all... -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 17 15:24:40 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:24:40 -0400 Subject: The $99 microlaptop, now available... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100317152440.GN4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:06:24PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Fabio FZero > > | I think my old Nokia N800 has more horsepower than this one, but it's > | interesting nonetheless. > > Quite a bit more. But it was more expensive (although you can find > them for ~C$200 sometimes) and not open. > > This Ben thing isn't powerful enough to interest me. 32M of RAM and a > 320x240 screen, and no networking make it too limited. That's what I was thinking too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 17 15:26:21 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:26:21 -0400 Subject: The $99 microlaptop, now available... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100317152621.GO4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:42:04PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > That's pretty fair, yes, I should probably have noted that it doesn't > include networking hardware, as that quite likely matters. > > Even so, I'd like to see the project succeed such that they can come > out with "v2.0" which is more capable, and it may be that they need to > demonstrate some interest in this one in order to justify the next > one. Hard to succeed if your product is essentially useless to most potential users. In fact it may be counter productive by failing due to stupid spec choices and end up preventing an actualy good product from being designed later, because someone figured there obviously isn't a demand. > Hugh will probably recall the "Osbourne effect" :-) > -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 17 15:26:54 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:26:54 -0400 Subject: The $99 microlaptop, now available... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100317152654.GP4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:45:38PM -0400, Renata Rocha wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 18:01, Christopher Browne wrote: > > The guys from OpenMoko have started a new thing... > > > > A palmtop, at $100 (USD, I think?), that's 99mm x 75mm x 17.5mm > > http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page > > http://sharism.cc/shop/index.php > > http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Qi-Hardware-Ben-NanoNote/ > > Oh, it feels like the OLPC... The OLPC has a useful screen and networking. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-aILacZ9cc/a1Qrn1Bg8BZw at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 17 16:05:58 2010 From: lists-aILacZ9cc/a1Qrn1Bg8BZw at public.gmane.org (Matt London) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:05:58 -0400 Subject: OT: Copy NTFS based files between servers AND retaining permission intact In-Reply-To: References: <20100315171740.GF4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4BA0FDE6.6000205@knm.org.uk> Robocopy is the pretty much the right tool for the job - I've used it plenty of times and not run into permissions issues - at least, not ones it didn't tell me about during the copy - I usually like to use /log:robocopy.log /tee so I get a file I can peruse when it's done. The only other real alternative is to use some Windows backup software, but that you're into paying for. I can't say I've played with MS backup, so that might do the job, but you're still into finding space to store the backups whilst you go from Server A to Server B. The problem with NTFS on anything other than Windows is that it has a pretty large number of permissions that can be granted in an ACL. Just glancing at the advanced permissions window on my XP workstation here I see: Full Control Traverse Folder / Execute File (POSIX execute) List Folder / Read Data (POSIX read) Read Attributes Read Extended Attributes Create Files / Write Data (I guess this is probably POSIX write) Create Folders / Append Data Write Attributes Write Extended Attributes Delete Read Permissions Change Permissions Take Ownership Of course in true MS style, that doesn't line up with anything else. If you really want to have fun with permissions, check out what Novell support with NSS and then check out NFSv4 ACLs - both different from POSIX and NTFS ACLs. The nice thing about standards is there are so many to choose from. -- Matt William Muriithi wrote: > On 15 March 2010 14:10, Rafael Carneiro wrote: > >> Shouldn't robocopy /COPYALL (or /COPY:DATSOU) do that? >> >> /COPY:copyflag[s] :: what to COPY (default is /COPY:DAT). >> (copyflags : D=Data, A=Attributes, T=Timestamps). >> (S=Security=NTFS ACLs, O=Owner info, U=aUditing info). >> >> >> > Hmm, actually that is the flag that I used. Like this > > robocopy "H:\\Directory" "D:\\Directory2\Directory3" /COPYALL /E /R:0 > > Thought copy all would do it. Not sure what went wrong till now. > However, Andrej I like your suggestion, how do you get the summery of > a tree's permissions so that I compare the old and the new stuff. Its > far better than manually opening every directory and checking the > properties for permission. > > Lennart, I actually toyed with the idea of using live CD and then use > rsync, and certain it would keep the posix permissions very reliably. > Question is, does this apply to NTFS permission too? Google could not > find me an answer for that from reliable source, so I let the idea go. > > > William > >> Cheers, >> Rafael >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Lennart Sorensen >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 03:19:48PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: >>> >>>> This is a tad window centric, so may not be entirely appropriate for >>>> the LUG and hence the OT label. That being said, I believe some of us >>>> might be dealing with Windows once in a while and hence the post. >>>> >>>> We are in the middle of migrating between to file servers and we used >>>> robocopy.exe to move files to the new file server. I did a sample >>>> check on some of the files and the permissions seemed to have carried >>>> over well. However, when I sent out to selected users, some were >>>> actually able to read documents that were originally unavailable. This >>>> kind of mean manually going through all directories, something I would >>>> rather avoid. >>>> >>>> Anyone know of a tool that can do this job better or have gone through >>>> the experience before and would not mind sharing their experience? >>>> >>>> Would appreciate any pointers and thanks in advance >>>> >>> rsync? unison? >>> >>> Should be lots of options. >>> >>> At least on linux rsync has an ACL flag (-A) which does the full posix >>> ACL permissions. >>> >>> -- >>> Len Sorensen >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 17 16:46:51 2010 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:46:51 -0400 Subject: The $99 microlaptop, now available... In-Reply-To: References: <4BA06021.8050309@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4BA1077B.5010809@rogers.com> Renata Rocha wrote: > On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 00:52, Yanni Chiu wrote: >> BTW, the OLPC project is mainly about education. The $100 laptop is just a >> means to that end. > > a $100 laptop that doesn't work as it should. > > And, as somebody here already said, they'll end up releasing a new > advanced version that won't cost $100 after all... Apart from the $100 price, what target did it miss? It is rugged, low power, has a screen that's usable in full sunlight, a mesh wireless network, ... The $100 price has not been achieved, likely because they haven't been able to reach the volumes that would have allowed that price point. One of the reasons they could not get bigger volumes is that industry giants woke up to the threat, and created enough FUD, along with price discounts, grants, etc. that disrupted the OLPC sales. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 17 20:06:33 2010 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:06:33 -0400 Subject: The $99 microlaptop, now available... In-Reply-To: <20100317152440.GN4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100317152440.GN4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4BA13649.1030108@the-wire.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:06:24PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> Quite a bit more. But it was more expensive (although you can find >> them for ~C$200 sometimes) and not open. >> >> This Ben thing isn't powerful enough to interest me. 32M of RAM and a >> 320x240 screen, and no networking make it too limited. > > That's what I was thinking too. The price reminds me of the TS-7400 boards we were playing with. These ran a Debian release with the manufacturer's own Linux kernel, and could do their own compiles (though it's possible we were using 64MB SRAM on the boards that did this.) IP issues around the SD flash interface meant that you couldn't actually install and boot those kernels, but the raw capacity was there. No networking would be a showstopper for me, though it looks like one might connect a network adapter via USB. Finally, my picture of something that small and limited is a tablet configuration for robustness and simplicity. The screen+hinge seems like a very bad idea on this scale. I guess a lot of MIPS stuff will be coming out of China. Time to practice up on PIC32. Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 17 22:01:17 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:01:17 -0700 Subject: USB thumb drive stopped working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a97ef1003171501t8a2cb23l12098eab887e89bc@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > I last used the drive to plug into my PS3 with some videos to watch. > The next day I plugged it into my computer and nothing. I took it to > work tonight, and it works fine on my Ubuntu machine there. > > When I plug it into my computer at home, /var/log/messages shows this: > > Mar 17 00:32:24 node1 kernel: [301499.628077] usb 1-5: new high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 66 > Mar 17 00:32:25 node1 kernel: [301500.196030] usb 1-5: new high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 67 > Mar 17 00:32:25 node1 kernel: [301500.764025] usb 1-5: new high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 68 > Mar 17 00:32:26 node1 kernel: [301501.292026] usb 1-5: new high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 69 > Mar 17 00:32:27 node1 kernel: [301501.828028] usb 4-1: new full speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 23 > Mar 17 00:32:57 node1 kernel: [301532.372026] usb 4-1: new full speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 24 > Mar 17 00:33:28 node1 kernel: [301562.916022] usb 4-1: new full speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 25 > > ...but nothing is mounted, and it cannot be seen even by gparted. > > What else can I check on here? > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Sounds like it can't initialize the device. GParted etc won't work because it can't even get to a point where it creates a device entry such as /dev/sdc etc My experience is that the device (or the port) may be hooped. Does it still work in the PS3 or another PC? -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 17 22:03:01 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:03:01 -0700 Subject: Amarok 2.3.0 "Clear Light" released In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571003152234t7494b63dma5ad2f5f443f648f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003152234t7494b63dma5ad2f5f443f648f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1003171503w5721ff7rb2a594368d47863e@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > From the web site: > > "Team Amarok is proud to announce Amarok 2.3.0. It contains many > improvements and bugfixes over Amarok 2.2.2 as well as many new > features. Areas such as podcast support and saved playlists have seen > huge improvements, as has the support for USB mass storage devices > (including generic MP3 players). > > "With large parts of Amarok 2 becoming quite mature, it was also time > to start looking forward again. Therefore, this release also contains > a number of new features of a slightly more experimental nature. These > include a new main toolbar and a rewritten and much simpler file > browser. These parts are brand new and based on user feedback, and > they will change and improve over the next few releases. The old slim > toolbar is still available should you prefer that, but we encourage > you to try out the new toolbar and tell us what you think. The file > browser's look and feel now aligns more closely with the rest of > Amarok with improvements such as breadcrumb navigation, and it is now > focused on being a way to find and play music instead of being a > multi-purpose file manager. > > "The context menu of tracks in your playlist now offers a "show in > media sources" option, making it easier to find the same track again > in the collection browser for editing, moving or deleting the file. > > "Podcasts have received a configuration dialog allowing you to change > the update interval as well as the location to store new downloaded > episodes. Podcasts and saved playlists are now also grouped by source, > and a merged view is available just like in your local collection - > perfect for those that don't care where their music is coming from but > simply want to listen to it. Now, when a new source of playlists or > podcasts becomes available, Amarok will switch off merged view and > show a collapsible list of your new listening sources. > > "The Wikipedia applet now looks better and links have been fixed. > Internal links to other pages on Wikipedia will display in the applet, > and external links open a browser window. > > "In short, Team Amarok has been focusing hard on furthering our > long-term goal: making Amarok the best tool for immersing yourself in > music, no matter where it comes from." > > http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.3.0 > > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but for the life of me I can't figure out why I'd need a wikipedia applet inside my music player. Was there a request for this? -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 17 22:25:52 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:25:52 -0400 Subject: Amarok 2.3.0 "Clear Light" released In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1003171503w5721ff7rb2a594368d47863e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003152234t7494b63dma5ad2f5f443f648f@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003171503w5721ff7rb2a594368d47863e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BA156F0.2070306@dinamis.com> On 03/17/2010 06:03 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but for the life of me I can't figure > out why I'd need a wikipedia applet inside my music player. Was > there a request for this? Personally, I love it! By reading the Wikipedia entries in Amarok, I've learned more about musicians and composers than I would have otherwise. That can't be a bad thing. I'd argue this is more useful than visualizations that seem to be de rigeur for most media players. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 17 22:54:34 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:54:34 -0700 Subject: Legal movie "rental streaming" services for Canada Message-ID: <3a97ef1003171554n7e60cea9o25801b28676986d8@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know of any services offered that allow one to "rent" a movie or show and then stream it (or download it and have it expire), that are available in Canada. While I have doubts that such a service might work for 'nix due to DRM, if there's one that'll work with my 'nix box I'll be tickled pink. I don't watch a lot of TV overall, but I'd love to have something where I decide to catch a movie at work, tell my box at home to grab it (via SSH or whatever) and have it waiting for me there. Of course torrents work for that, but I really would like a legal way to do so... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 17 23:10:52 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:10:52 -0400 Subject: [OT} Bell Wants my SIN! Message-ID: <4BA1617C.9030507@rogers.com> So twice I get a call from people claiming to be the unfortunate bottom feeders who do Bell Mobility's telemarketing. They claim I can get a free Blackberry. Turns out they want my credit card number for security, and then they wanted my SIN??? This had identity theft written all over it. I asked them to hold while I got my card, and they did for almost 20 minutes before cluing in. Anyone know if these might be in any way legitimate? Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 17 23:35:18 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:35:18 -0400 Subject: [OT} Bell Wants my SIN! In-Reply-To: <4BA1617C.9030507-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA1617C.9030507@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4BA16736.3060005@alteeve.com> On 10-03-17 07:10 PM, Stephen wrote: > So twice I get a call from people claiming to be the unfortunate bottom > feeders who do Bell Mobility's telemarketing. > > They claim I can get a free Blackberry. > > Turns out they want my credit card number for security, and then they > wanted my SIN??? > > This had identity theft written all over it. > > I asked them to hold while I got my card, and they did for almost 20 > minutes before cluing in. > > Anyone know if these might be in any way legitimate? > > Stephen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > There is no way that is legit, even for Bell. Call the police, they've got a section for dealing with tele-crime. They'll get you to enter a number (*59 iirc) that will flag the last call in Bell's database for them to find that bypasses hidden numbers. -- Digimer E-Mail: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 00:17:11 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:17:11 -0700 Subject: USB thumb drive stopped working In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1003171501t8a2cb23l12098eab887e89bc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1003171501t8a2cb23l12098eab887e89bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> I last used the drive to plug into my PS3 with some videos to watch. >> The next day I plugged it into my computer and nothing. I took it to >> work tonight, and it works fine on my Ubuntu machine there. >> >> When I plug it into my computer at home, /var/log/messages shows this: >> >> Mar 17 00:32:24 node1 kernel: [301499.628077] usb 1-5: new high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 66 >> Mar 17 00:32:25 node1 kernel: [301500.196030] usb 1-5: new high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 67 >> Mar 17 00:32:25 node1 kernel: [301500.764025] usb 1-5: new high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 68 >> Mar 17 00:32:26 node1 kernel: [301501.292026] usb 1-5: new high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 69 >> Mar 17 00:32:27 node1 kernel: [301501.828028] usb 4-1: new full speed >> USB device using uhci_hcd and address 23 >> Mar 17 00:32:57 node1 kernel: [301532.372026] usb 4-1: new full speed >> USB device using uhci_hcd and address 24 >> Mar 17 00:33:28 node1 kernel: [301562.916022] usb 4-1: new full speed >> USB device using uhci_hcd and address 25 >> >> ...but nothing is mounted, and it cannot be seen even by gparted. >> >> What else can I check on here? >> >> -- >> TBM >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > Sounds like it can't initialize the device. GParted etc won't work > because it can't even get to a point where it creates a device entry > such as /dev/sdc etc > My experience is that the device (or the port) may be hooped. Does it > still work in the PS3 or another PC? > -- Yup, works in my work PC and also the PS3. Also, other USB devices work in my home PC, even though this one does not. Weird. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 00:25:20 2010 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:25:20 -0400 Subject: [OT} Bell Wants my SIN! In-Reply-To: <4BA1617C.9030507-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA1617C.9030507@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4BA172F0.1030402@rogers.com> Stephen wrote: > So twice I get a call from people claiming to be the unfortunate > bottom feeders who do Bell Mobility's telemarketing. > > They claim I can get a free Blackberry. > It's an illegitimate call. The next time it happens just hang up. Pretty much everybody on this list knows that the only thing Bell gives out for free is aggravation and that they have available in buckets. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 00:37:35 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:37:35 -0400 Subject: [OT} Bell Wants my SIN! In-Reply-To: <4BA172F0.1030402-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA1617C.9030507@rogers.com> <4BA172F0.1030402@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4BA175CF.20207@rogers.com> John McGregor wrote: > It's an illegitimate call. The next time it happens just hang up. > Pretty much everybody on this list knows that the only thing Bell > gives out for free is aggravation and that they have available in > buckets. But I ***like*** seeing how long they will sit on hold :) Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 01:00:35 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:00:35 -0400 Subject: [OT} Bell Wants my SIN! In-Reply-To: <4BA1617C.9030507-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA1617C.9030507@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Stephen wrote: > Turns out they want my credit card number for security, and then they wanted > my SIN??? > > This had identity theft written all over it. That is illegal information for them to ask for. The SIN # has, as far as I am aware, only three legitimate sets of users: a) Canada Revenue Agency b) Your employer requires it to properly send T4's to a) c) Your bank requires it to properly send T5's to a) Unlike in the US, where the SSN is used stinkin' everywhere, asking for it in Canada outside specific relationships like that isn't legal. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 02:20:58 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:20:58 -0400 Subject: [OT} Bell Wants my SIN! In-Reply-To: <4BA1617C.9030507-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA1617C.9030507@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4BA18E0A.6060104@rogers.com> Stephen wrote: > So twice I get a call from people claiming to be the unfortunate > bottom feeders who do Bell Mobility's telemarketing. > > They claim I can get a free Blackberry. > > Turns out they want my credit card number for security, and then they > wanted my SIN??? > > This had identity theft written all over it. > > I asked them to hold while I got my card, and they did for almost 20 > minutes before cluing in. > > Anyone know if these might be in any way legitimate? > Actually, I believe it's illegal for anyone to require your SIN, unless it's for something that may affect your income tax, such as investments etc. It is not needed for a commercial transaction for any reason. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 03:11:51 2010 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:11:51 -0400 Subject: Amarok 2.3.0 "Clear Light" released In-Reply-To: <4BA156F0.2070306-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003152234t7494b63dma5ad2f5f443f648f@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003171503w5721ff7rb2a594368d47863e@mail.gmail.com> <4BA156F0.2070306@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <201003172311.52048.amarjan@pobox.com> On March 17, 2010 06:25:52 pm you wrote: > On 03/17/2010 06:03 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > > Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but for the life of me I can't figure > > out why I'd need a wikipedia applet inside my music player. Was > > there a request for this? > > Personally, I love it! By reading the Wikipedia entries in Amarok, I've > learned more about musicians and composers than I would have otherwise. > That can't be a bad thing. I'd argue this is more useful than > visualizations that seem to be de rigeur for most media players. The lyrics applet is awesome too. And the collection grouping for "various artists" and "unknown" is finally working correctly! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 03:23:18 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:23:18 -0400 Subject: [OT} Bell Wants my SIN! In-Reply-To: <4BA1617C.9030507-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA1617C.9030507@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100318032318.GA4609@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 07:10:52PM -0400, Stephen wrote: > So twice I get a call from people claiming to be the unfortunate bottom > feeders who do Bell Mobility's telemarketing. > > They claim I can get a free Blackberry. > > Turns out they want my credit card number for security, and then they > wanted my SIN??? > > This had identity theft written all over it. > > I asked them to hold while I got my card, and they did for almost 20 > minutes before cluing in. > > Anyone know if these might be in any way legitimate? It's scam. There is no way SIN has any relevance in Cell Phone purchase. Since you have no idea who's on the other end, Credit Card is also indicator of scam. If they send you a form or refer you to online site, may be different. But, I'm curious... did they have particular accent? -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 11:39:24 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:39:24 -0400 Subject: [OT} Bell Wants my SIN! In-Reply-To: <20100318032318.GA4609-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA1617C.9030507@rogers.com> <20100318032318.GA4609@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4BA210EC.3070100@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > It's scam. There is no way SIN has any relevance in Cell Phone > purchase. Since you have no idea who's on the other end, Credit Card is > also indicator of scam. If they send you a form or refer you to online > site, may be different. > > But, I'm curious... did they have particular accent? > > Yes, Indian (as in India) Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 14:02:30 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:02:30 -0400 Subject: Dell has a nice big screen on sale. Message-ID: <20100318140230.GQ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> So dell has their new 27" monster of a screen on sale. The old 27" was a 16:10 1920x1200 PVA panel. The new 27" is a 16:9 2560x1440 IPS panel. It is essentially a 30" 2560x1600 IPS panel with the bottom 10% cut off. So same width, slightly less height. It is on sale today for $799. Given the cheapest I have seen the 30" version is $1499, $799 for 90% of the 30" is pretty impressive. Lots of pixels for applications, although perhaps not the worlds best screen for HDTV and video given it has too many pixels to match HDTV resolution. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 14:08:47 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:08:47 -0400 Subject: Amarok 2.3.0 "Clear Light" released In-Reply-To: <201003172311.52048.amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571003152234t7494b63dma5ad2f5f443f648f@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003171503w5721ff7rb2a594368d47863e@mail.gmail.com> <4BA156F0.2070306@dinamis.com> <201003172311.52048.amarjan@pobox.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8881003180708w37e15eb7r40b49551f95209b7@mail.gmail.com> So its up to Amarok 1.4 standards now? :) Maybe I can switch now..ive been waiting forever..as I love amarok 1.4. On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Andrej Marjan wrote: > On March 17, 2010 06:25:52 pm you wrote: >> On 03/17/2010 06:03 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> > Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but for the life of me I can't figure >> > out why I'd need a wikipedia applet inside my music player. Was >> > there a request for this? >> >> Personally, I love it! By reading the Wikipedia entries in Amarok, I've >> learned more about musicians and composers than I would have otherwise. >> That can't be a bad thing. I'd argue this is more useful than >> visualizations that seem to be de rigeur for most media players. > > The lyrics applet is awesome too. And the collection grouping for "various > artists" and "unknown" is finally working correctly! > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 14:41:52 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:41:52 -0400 Subject: [OT} Bell Wants my SIN! In-Reply-To: References: <4BA1617C.9030507@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4BA23BB0.6010706@ve3syb.ca> Christopher Browne wrote: > Unlike in the US, where the SSN is used stinkin' everywhere, asking > for it in Canada outside specific relationships like that isn't legal. In Canada (or at least Ontario), it is the Health Card that people try to use everywhere when it isn't legal to ask for it outside of a medical facility. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 14:59:24 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:59:24 -0400 Subject: [OT} Bell Wants my SIN! In-Reply-To: <4BA23BB0.6010706-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA1617C.9030507@rogers.com> <4BA23BB0.6010706@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <7c50d3571003180759sc900e1atc79ac851db6d5b71@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:41, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Christopher Browne wrote: >> >> Unlike in the US, where the SSN is used stinkin' everywhere, asking >> for it in Canada outside specific relationships like that isn't legal. > > In Canada (or at least Ontario), it is the Health Card that people try to > use everywhere when it isn't legal to ask for it outside of a medical > facility. Certain provinces will accept your photo health card as valid id. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 15:09:56 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Dell has a nice big screen on sale. In-Reply-To: <20100318140230.GQ4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100318140230.GQ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | So dell has their new 27" monster of a screen on sale. Thanks for the heads-up. | The old 27" was a 16:10 1920x1200 PVA panel. | | The new 27" is a 16:9 2560x1440 IPS panel. It is essentially a 30" | 2560x1600 IPS panel with the bottom 10% cut off. So same width, slightly | less height. Interesting. By my trig, (assuming 27" and 30" are exact), the 27" screen should be 23.5" wide and the 30" screen should be 25.4" wide. Sloppy measurement of my 30" confirms the second figure. | It is on sale today for $799. Given the cheapest I have seen the 30" | version is $1499, $799 for 90% of the 30" is pretty impressive. A 30" was on sale at Dell for $999 perhaps 3 days ago. Dell has several 30" monitors at different price points. The difference (as far as I noticed is how many different kinds of inputs they take and whether they are willing to scale. | Lots of pixels for applications, although perhaps not the worlds best | screen for HDTV and video given it has too many pixels to match HDTV | resolution. On a raw pixel/$ basis there are way better choices but I would not give up my 30" monitor. The latest iMac has a 27" monitor with resolution similar to this one. ================ I wrote a little bc script to figure out dimensions of TVs. I plugged these monitor numbers in. Run this script by saving it to tv-trig.bc and then running the shell command: bc -l tv-trig.bc Notice that a 4x3 image on a new 32" TV is about the same as on an old 26" TV? The key is to look at the height (last column) define stats(diag, hr, wr) { auto dr; sc = diag / sqrt(hr^2 + wr^2); print diag, "\q ", hr, "x", wr, " ", hr * sc, "\qx", wr * sc, "\q\n" } junk = stats(26, 4, 3) junk = stats(32, 16, 9) junk = stats(40, 16, 9) junk = stats(42, 16, 9) junk = stats(50, 16, 9) junk = stats(60, 16, 9) junk = stats(32, 4, 3) junk = stats(27, 2560, 1440) junk = stats(30, 2560, 1600) quit -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 15:43:38 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:43:38 -0400 Subject: Dell has a nice big screen on sale. In-Reply-To: References: <20100318140230.GQ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100318154338.GR4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:09:56AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Interesting. By my trig, (assuming 27" and 30" are exact), the 27" > screen should be 23.5" wide and the 30" screen should be 25.4" wide. > Sloppy measurement of my 30" confirms the second figure. Well approximately. I doubt they are exactly the same. 30"-10% is 27" after all. :) It does seem that when on such a steep angle as widescreen monitors have, removing 10% of the height really doesn't make the diagonal much shorter at all (certainly not 10%). So yes the 27" is a bit narrower than the 30" (which is absolutely huge). > A 30" was on sale at Dell for $999 perhaps 3 days ago. Dell has > several 30" monitors at different price points. The difference (as > far as I noticed is how many different kinds of inputs they take and > whether they are willing to scale. The 3007WFP has only DVI dual link input. The 3008WFP has lots of inputs and a hardware scalar. The 3008WFP is the only one you can compare against. The 3007WFP is a very simple design, but also very limited. > On a raw pixel/$ basis there are way better choices but I would not > give up my 30" monitor. > > The latest iMac has a 27" monitor with resolution similar to this one. Quite possibly using the same panel. > ================ > > I wrote a little bc script to figure out dimensions of TVs. I plugged > these monitor numbers in. Run this script by saving it to tv-trig.bc > and then running the shell command: bc -l tv-trig.bc > > Notice that a 4x3 image on a new 32" TV is about the same as on an old > 26" TV? The key is to look at the height (last column) Yeah widescreen TVs (and monitors) are much much smaller than their size would indicate. A 19" wide screen is probably similar to an old 15" 4:3. Maybe even a 14". > define stats(diag, hr, wr) { > auto dr; > sc = diag / sqrt(hr^2 + wr^2); > print diag, "\q ", hr, "x", wr, " ", hr * sc, "\qx", wr * sc, "\q\n" > } > junk = stats(26, 4, 3) > junk = stats(32, 16, 9) > junk = stats(40, 16, 9) > junk = stats(42, 16, 9) > junk = stats(50, 16, 9) > junk = stats(60, 16, 9) > junk = stats(32, 4, 3) > junk = stats(27, 2560, 1440) > junk = stats(30, 2560, 1600) So by that the 30" is about 25.5" wide and 15.9" high. The 27" is about 23.5" wide and 13.2" high. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 16:34:00 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:34:00 -0400 Subject: USB thumb drive stopped working In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1003171501t8a2cb23l12098eab887e89bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BA255F8.60907@ve3syb.ca> Thomas Milne wrote: > Yup, works in my work PC and also the PS3. Run a scandisk on the thumb drive to make sure it doesn't have a corrupt file system. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 16:35:28 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:35:28 -0400 Subject: [OT} Bell Wants my SIN! In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571003180759sc900e1atc79ac851db6d5b71-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA1617C.9030507@rogers.com> <4BA23BB0.6010706@ve3syb.ca> <7c50d3571003180759sc900e1atc79ac851db6d5b71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BA25650.90900@ve3syb.ca> Michael Lauzon wrote: > Certain provinces will accept your photo health card as valid id. It is ok if you volunteer the card but it isn't legal for someone outside the medical profession to ask for it according to the Ontario Health Card Act. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 16:43:10 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:43:10 -0400 Subject: [OT} Bell Wants my SIN! In-Reply-To: <4BA25650.90900-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA1617C.9030507@rogers.com> <4BA23BB0.6010706@ve3syb.ca> <7c50d3571003180759sc900e1atc79ac851db6d5b71@mail.gmail.com> <4BA25650.90900@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <7c50d3571003180943k45b45732uee24929e98cea0c4@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:35, Kevin Cozens wrote: > It is ok if you volunteer the card but it isn't legal for someone outside > the medical profession to ask for it according to the Ontario Health Card > Act. > The OHCA is only valid in Ontario, however, like I said, certain provinces -- well not exactly the provinces -- but certain establishments within certain provinces will use it as valid government ID outside of Ontario, as it has your name & date of birth. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 16:52:39 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:52:39 -0400 Subject: Legal movie "rental streaming" services for Canada In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1003171554n7e60cea9o25801b28676986d8-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1003171554n7e60cea9o25801b28676986d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't know if it's just software or if there's an actual service behind it, but I think Boxee may do what you want in some way. http://www.boxee.tv/ - FZ On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 18:54, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Does anyone know of any services offered that allow one to "rent" a > movie or show and then stream it (or download it and have it expire), > that are available in Canada. > While I have doubts that such a service might work for 'nix due to > DRM, if there's one that'll work with my 'nix box I'll be tickled > pink. > > I don't watch a lot of TV overall, but I'd love to have something > where I decide to catch a movie at work, tell my box at home to grab > it (via SSH or whatever) and have it waiting for me there. Of course > torrents work for that, but I really would like a legal way to do > so... > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 17:09:25 2010 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:09:25 -0400 Subject: you sat tomato, ddwrt or openWRT ? Message-ID: <4BA25E45.4020407@linuxcaffe.ca> I have 2 Linksys WRT WiFi Access Point routers to update or reflash, linuxcaffe and linuxcaffe-park, now "running" OpenWRT and ddwrt, respectively. the question; OpenWRT, DDwrt, tomato, or something else ? (I say tomato, becuase I hope to be sporting dual-line MLPPP from teksavvy, soon, and that will entail a tomatofied WRT, according to teksavvy. thanks, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 17:41:39 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:41:39 -0400 Subject: you sat tomato, ddwrt or openWRT ? In-Reply-To: <4BA25E45.4020407-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA25E45.4020407@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <20100318174139.GS4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 01:09:25PM -0400, David J Patrick wrote: > I have 2 Linksys WRT WiFi Access Point routers to update or reflash, > linuxcaffe and linuxcaffe-park, now "running" OpenWRT and ddwrt, > respectively. > > the question; > > OpenWRT, DDwrt, tomato, or something else ? > > (I say tomato, becuase I hope to be sporting dual-line MLPPP from > teksavvy, soon, and that will entail a tomatofied WRT, according to > teksavvy. Well I hope to try out openwrt or ddwrt on my DIR-825 soon. If it doesn't do dual band I don't care for it anymore. Especially linksys's old heaters. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 17:51:01 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Dell has a nice big screen on sale. In-Reply-To: <20100318154338.GR4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100318140230.GQ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100318154338.GR4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | The 3007WFP has only DVI dual link input. The 3008WFP has lots of | inputs and a hardware scalar. The 3008WFP is the only one you can | compare against. The 3007WFP is a very simple design, but also very | limited. Using a 30" monitor in any other way than its native mode, hooked to a computer, is likely a waste. You pay a lot more for those pixels that you would in a 30" 1920x1080 monitor. If you need to scale something, get your computer to do it (I admit that DRM may stand in the way). So paying for the difference between the 3007WFP and the 3008WFP is probably a waste. Now, to argue the other way. I have a dell 24" monitor that I bought before the 30" came out. It is now a secondary monitor on my desk. The 30" is large enough that I don't use the 24" as an extension of the same computer desktop. So I regularly watch crappy SD TV on the whole 24" screen, exploiting the composite input. I can and do switch the monitor between DVI (another computer), composite (VCR, which acts as a live TV tuner too), and component (a switch selecting within a collection of experiments in HDTV). | > Notice that a 4x3 image on a new 32" TV is about the same as on an old | > 26" TV? The key is to look at the height (last column) | | Yeah widescreen TVs (and monitors) are much much smaller than their size | would indicate. A 19" wide screen is probably similar to an old 15" 4:3. | Maybe even a 14". For TVs, 19" widescreen is about 3% taller than an old 15": 15" 4x3 12.00000000000000000000"x9.00000000000000000000" 19" 16x9 16.55993520536643639968"x9.31496355301862047482" For CRTs, most manufacturers add about 1" to the diagonal number (counting glass that won't be part of the image). Sun was an exception but even they bowed to competition eventually. I forgot to take account of that in my comment about 26" TVs. For computer monitors, DPI issues add another dimension to the problem. | > define stats(diag, hr, wr) { | > auto dr; That should have been "auto sc;". No matter. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 18:00:46 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: you sat tomato, ddwrt or openWRT ? In-Reply-To: <4BA25E45.4020407-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA25E45.4020407@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: | From: David J Patrick | I have 2 Linksys WRT WiFi Access Point routers to update or reflash, There are a bunch of different Linksys routers with the WRT prefix. Are these the famous WRT54gl or some other model? It gets even worse: there are different versions labelled WRT54g; only the early versions support third party firmware well. | linuxcaffe and linuxcaffe-park, now "running" OpenWRT and ddwrt, respectively. | | the question; | | OpenWRT, DDwrt, tomato, or something else ? | | (I say tomato, becuase I hope to be sporting dual-line MLPPP from teksavvy, | soon, and that will entail a tomatofied WRT, according to teksavvy. You have the experiment running in-house now. Which do you like better, OpenWRT of ddwrt? My impressions (not facts): - OpenWRT is the truly open project - ddwrt is more like an appliance - xwrt is a nice gui packaging of OpenWRT (that's the one I've actually used, but only a bit) Have a look at the thread "Announcing OpenWrt/MLPPP - multilink firmware for consumer routers - Caneris & Acanac" in this list. That may be the best choice to support MLPPP. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 18:08:21 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:08:21 -0400 Subject: Dell has a nice big screen on sale. In-Reply-To: References: <20100318140230.GQ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100318154338.GR4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100318180821.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 01:51:01PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Using a 30" monitor in any other way than its native mode, hooked to a > computer, is likely a waste. You pay a lot more for those pixels that > you would in a 30" 1920x1080 monitor. If you need to scale something, > get your computer to do it (I admit that DRM may stand in the way). > > So paying for the difference between the 3007WFP and the 3008WFP is > probably a waste. Well sometimes you would like to use things that don't do the native resolution. Besides the picture in picture is pretty neat too. The backlight is also much better on the 3008. Having multiple inputs and the ability to connect multiple computers is a nice feature as well, which I don't think the 3007WFP has either. > Now, to argue the other way. I have a dell 24" monitor that I bought > before the 30" came out. It is now a secondary monitor on my desk. > The 30" is large enough that I don't use the 24" as an extension of > the same computer desktop. So I regularly watch crappy SD TV on the > whole 24" screen, exploiting the composite input. I can and do switch > the monitor between DVI (another computer), composite (VCR, which acts > as a live TV tuner too), and component (a switch selecting within a > collection of experiments in HDTV). > > For TVs, 19" widescreen is about 3% taller than an old 15": > 15" 4x3 12.00000000000000000000"x9.00000000000000000000" > 19" 16x9 16.55993520536643639968"x9.31496355301862047482" > > For CRTs, most manufacturers add about 1" to the diagonal number > (counting glass that won't be part of the image). Sun was an > exception but even they bowed to competition eventually. I forgot to > take account of that in my comment about 26" TVs. > > For computer monitors, DPI issues add another dimension to the problem. True. > | > define stats(diag, hr, wr) { > | > auto dr; > > That should have been "auto sc;". No matter. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 20:41:11 2010 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:41:11 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Routing choice under user control per application instance? Message-ID: Hi! I am wondering whether it is possible to choose TCP/IP routing for a specific instance of an application - chosen on user-level when the application is started? More specifically I have a linux workstation with 2 Internet connections (different devices), and I would like to have some applications connecting to Internet using one connection while other applications connecting to Internet using the other connection, where I choose which application instance use which connection. I control the whole workstation (root, hardware) so I can do whatever on the machine, but not the router / connection. Any idea? -- ____ ____ ____ ____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo /___ /___/ /___/ /___ http://www.arifsaha.com/ ____/ / / / ____/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 20:52:56 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:52:56 -0700 Subject: Routing choice under user control per application instance? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a97ef1003181352o1d8ced58n81030a68b64a1c93@mail.gmail.com> What are the applications? I don't believe it's really possible to have the routing rules aware of an individual application, but you could probably pull it off per-destination or per-port. There are a couple ways I could see doing something like this a) For given destinations, for example if your application always connects to a server at IP 256.256.256.1, then change the "route" rules so that all connections to that IP route through a secondary router b) Have the second router connected to a second NIC in the machine. Use iptables to redirect certain ports through the secondary NIC c) Have a proxy of some sort which will pass traffic to the secondary router only, and if your application(s) support proxy settings, set all the ones you want to use the alternate router to use the proxy. On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:41 PM, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > Hi! > > I am wondering whether it is possible to choose TCP/IP routing for a > specific instance of an application - chosen on user-level when the > application is started? > > More specifically I have a linux workstation with 2 Internet connections > (different devices), and I would like to have some applications connecting > to Internet using one connection while other applications connecting to > Internet using the other connection, where I choose which application > instance use which connection. > > I control the whole workstation (root, hardware) so I can do whatever on the > machine, but not the router / connection. > > Any idea? > > -- > ? ?____ ?____ ?____ ?____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo > ? /___ ?/___/ /___/ /___ ? ? ?http://www.arifsaha.com/ > ?____/ / ? ? / ? / ____/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 21:47:55 2010 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:47:55 -0400 Subject: Routing choice under user control per application instance? In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1003181352o1d8ced58n81030a68b64a1c93-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1003181352o1d8ced58n81030a68b64a1c93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92ee967a1003181447p238ecfeap75dae0bf951882b0@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > What are the applications? I don't believe it's really possible to > have the routing rules aware of an individual application, but you > could probably pull it off per-destination or per-port. > > There are a couple ways I could see doing something like this > > a) For given destinations, for example if your application always > connects to a server at IP 256.256.256.1, then change the "route" > rules so that all connections to that IP route through a secondary > router > > b) Have the second router connected to a second NIC in the machine. > Use iptables to redirect certain ports through the secondary NIC > > c) Have a proxy of some sort which will pass traffic to the secondary > router only, and if your application(s) support proxy settings, set > all the ones you want to use the alternate router to use the proxy. One might also be able to use IP Tables to specify masquerading for particular destination ports? Hey, somebody already thought of something like that and wrote a nice article: http://linux-ip.net/html/adv-multi-internet.html Just goes to show that no thought is original :-) -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 21:55:16 2010 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:55:16 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Routing choice under user control per application instance? In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1003181352o1d8ced58n81030a68b64a1c93-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1003181352o1d8ced58n81030a68b64a1c93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 2010, Tyler Aviss wrote: > What are the applications? The application is not specific and my connect to any IP. So it can be browsers, mail client, chat client, torrent client, etc. Two application instances of the same kind may run together (e.g. 2 different browsers or running 2 different instances of alpine mail client) and one should connect using the first connection and the other connect using the second connection. > c) Have a proxy of some sort which will pass traffic to the > secondary router only, and if your application(s) support > proxy settings, set all the ones you want to use the alternate > router to use the proxy. Hmm, may work for certain application (browser for instance). Can a proxy setup that way (a proxy is an application anyway). Thanks! -- ____ ____ ____ ____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo /___ /___/ /___/ /___ http://www.arifsaha.com/ ____/ / / / ____/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 18 22:24:26 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Routing choice under user control per application instance? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: S P Arif Sahari Wibowo | I am wondering whether it is possible to choose TCP/IP routing for a specific | instance of an application - chosen on user-level when the application is | started? Do you control the code in the application? When a program opens a socket, it can bind it to a particular IP address for its end. That, in effect, selects which ethernet interface would be used. Does that work for you? That's what many server programs do. A totally different technique might be to run the application in a virtual machine and configure routing instead of bridging between the VM and the internet. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 02:11:56 2010 From: andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org (Andrew Cowie) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:11:56 +1100 Subject: [OT} Bell Wants my SIN! In-Reply-To: <4BA18E0A.6060104-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA1617C.9030507@rogers.com> <4BA18E0A.6060104@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1268964716.16169.56.camel@worthil.roaming.operationaldynamics.com> On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 22:20 -0400, James Knott wrote: > Actually, I believe it's illegal for anyone to require your SIN, unless > it's for something that may affect your income tax [etc] That's correct. Circa 1993 the Canadian Forces were forced to stop using "Social Insurance Numbers" as soldiers' serial numbers which they had been doing since the dark ages. So suddenly everyone was given a "Service Numbers" and had new ID cards, dog tags, etc issued. AfC Sydney -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 02:14:15 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:14:15 -0400 Subject: Dell has a nice big screen on sale. In-Reply-To: <20100318140230.GQ4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100318140230.GQ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4BA2DDF7.8040800@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > So dell has their new 27" monster of a screen on sale. > My 23" LG monitor is plenty big enough. It barely fits in the available space. It runs 1080p (1920 x 1080). It has HDMI, DVI and VGA inputs, so I can hook up my computer (DVI), KVM switch (VGA) and HDTV converter (HDMI) and switch between them. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 02:17:19 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:17:19 -0400 Subject: [OT} Bell Wants my SIN! In-Reply-To: <4BA23BB0.6010706-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA1617C.9030507@rogers.com> <4BA23BB0.6010706@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <4BA2DEAF.4040904@rogers.com> Kevin Cozens wrote: > Christopher Browne wrote: >> Unlike in the US, where the SSN is used stinkin' everywhere, asking >> for it in Canada outside specific relationships like that isn't legal. > > In Canada (or at least Ontario), it is the Health Card that people try > to use everywhere when it isn't legal to ask for it outside of a > medical facility. I've never been asked for that in a non medical situation. In fact there's been many times I wasn't asked and should have been, as they supposed to ask when ever they perform an OHIP covered service. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 04:32:57 2010 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:32:57 -0400 Subject: you sat tomato, ddwrt or openWRT ? In-Reply-To: <4BA25E45.4020407-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA25E45.4020407@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <201003190032.57634.amarjan@pobox.com> On March 18, 2010 01:09:25 pm you wrote: > I have 2 Linksys WRT WiFi Access Point routers to update or reflash, > linuxcaffe and linuxcaffe-park, now "running" OpenWRT and ddwrt, > respectively. > > the question; > > OpenWRT, DDwrt, tomato, or something else ? > > (I say tomato, becuase I hope to be sporting dual-line MLPPP from > teksavvy, soon, and that will entail a tomatofied WRT, according to > teksavvy. > > thanks, > djp > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists LWN had a decent review of Tomato, including some concerns: http://lwn.net/Articles/369367/ I use it for the nifty GUI and integration (I'm lazy), and don't use about 95% of the other functionality including the orphaned DPI stuff. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 10:36:46 2010 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:36:46 -0400 Subject: Routing choice under user control per application instance? In-Reply-To: ; from arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org on Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 17:55:16 -0400 References: <3a97ef1003181352o1d8ced58n81030a68b64a1c93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100319103646.GB1472@localhost> On Thu Mar 18,2010 05:55:16 PM S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > The application is not specific and my connect to any IP. So it can > be browsers, mail client, chat client, torrent client, etc. Two > application instances of the same kind may run together (e.g. 2 > different browsers or running 2 different instances of alpine mail > client) and one should connect using the first connection and the > other connect using the second connection. iptables can be set up to route based on the user ID. You might be able to set each application's user as a way to select the connection (e.g. with sudo). See -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 14:06:05 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:06:05 -0400 Subject: Dell has a nice big screen on sale. In-Reply-To: <4BA2DDF7.8040800-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100318140230.GQ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4BA2DDF7.8040800@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100319140605.GU4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:14:15PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> So dell has their new 27" monster of a screen on sale. >> > My 23" LG monitor is plenty big enough. It barely fits in the available > space. It runs 1080p (1920 x 1080). It has HDMI, DVI and VGA inputs, > so I can hook up my computer (DVI), KVM switch (VGA) and HDTV converter > (HDMI) and switch between them. Well some people want more pixels. Some also want good colour, good viewing angle and even more input types. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 14:09:15 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:09:15 -0400 Subject: Routing choice under user control per application instance? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100319140915.GV4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 06:24:26PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Do you control the code in the application? When a program opens a > socket, it can bind it to a particular IP address for its end. That, > in effect, selects which ethernet interface would be used. Does that > work for you? That's what many server programs do. That won't change the default route though. > A totally different technique might be to run the application in a > virtual machine and configure routing instead of bridging between the > VM and the internet. It would probably require setting up two routing tables (using the ip command) and assigning some mangle rules in iptables to flag traffic with a source IP of one interface to use one routing table and the other source IP to use the other routing table. Then any application could just pick which interface's IP to bind to and would go through the correct route. So I think ip route, ip rule and iptables -t mangle are the 3 things needed. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 15:10:35 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: you sat tomato, ddwrt or openWRT ? In-Reply-To: <201003190032.57634.amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA25E45.4020407@linuxcaffe.ca> <201003190032.57634.amarjan@pobox.com> Message-ID: | From: Andrej Marjan | LWN had a decent review of Tomato, including some concerns: | http://lwn.net/Articles/369367/ Thanks for pointing that out. Even the comments submitted to that article were worth reading. Amazing: in the vast majority of things I read, comments added by users are boring, uninformed, or vile. In particular, one comment directed me to this dd-wrt forum thread After reading it I don't think I'll run dd-wrt. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 15:25:00 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:25:00 -0400 Subject: you sat tomato, ddwrt or openWRT ? In-Reply-To: References: <4BA25E45.4020407@linuxcaffe.ca> <201003190032.57634.amarjan@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20100319152500.GA3234@phaedrus.isageek.ca> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:10:35AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Andrej Marjan > > | LWN had a decent review of Tomato, including some concerns: > | http://lwn.net/Articles/369367/ > > Thanks for pointing that out. > > Even the comments submitted to that article were worth reading. > Amazing: in the vast majority of things I read, comments added by > users are boring, uninformed, or vile. > > In particular, one comment directed me to this dd-wrt forum thread > > After reading it I don't think I'll run dd-wrt. Why not? The main developer actively responded in the thread, most devs don't even bother lurking on their project's forums. That thread is also from 2 years ago -- if it was all that bad I'd expect the project would have folded by now, but it hasn't. So, honest mistake, that was corrected, more than 2 years ago, no reason to write off the whole project. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 16:07:04 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: picking a wireless router: dual band support Message-ID: [Warning: this is long and rambling] I still haven't found: a clear, simple, and reliable way of finding the best available routers for *wrt. One reason is surely that there are several dimensions that one might care about so there isn't a simple answer. I just bought my first thing with 802.11n (not counting a router that I've loaned). This brings into focus Lennart's insistence on dual-band support. I think he is right and I'm glad he brought it to my attention. What is dual band? 802.11b and 802.11g both use the 2.4GHz unlicenced radio band. 802.11a (limited takeup) uses the 5GHz band. Some (by no means all) 802.11n systems support both of these bands. All 802.11n systems seem to support the 2.4GHz band. So dual-band as means supporting both of these bands. Why does dual band matter? Because so many things crowd the 2.4GHz band: baby monitors, microwave ovens (leakage), Bluetooth, etc. See . The 5GHz band is less crowded. This advantage might decline if and when dual-band 802.11n becomes ubiquitous. It is perhaps telling that there is no wikipedia article on 5GHz interference. I just bought a netbook that has 802.11n but is only single band. The specs for this device were hardly available -- I didn't even know that it did 802.11n -- so I'm not disappointed. How can you tell if a device has dual band support? I guess that in most cases it is advertised as a feature if the device supports it. A second clue is that if 802.11a and 802.11n are both listed as supported, then I would think that the 802.11n will support both bands. Some routers can simultaneously use both bands and some switch between them. That probably matters. Most of the google hits for "simultaneous dual-band wireless router" refer to certain Linksys devices; it may be that there is a different terminology used by other manufacturers. I previously said that this router was a good deal: But it doesn't support the 5GHz band so I will no longer consider it. It looks as if the Linksys WRT400n is the least expensive simultaneous dual-band router around here (as low as $80 from Sig Electronics but normally $100). OpenWRT support looks to be coming along nicely. But other features might rule this one out: it does not support gigabit ethernet. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 16:15:55 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: you sat tomato, ddwrt or openWRT ? In-Reply-To: <20100319152500.GA3234-uJ2o19zk1gpqyOjzEv4mMiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA25E45.4020407@linuxcaffe.ca> <201003190032.57634.amarjan@pobox.com> <20100319152500.GA3234@phaedrus.isageek.ca> Message-ID: | From: Jamon Camisso | > In particular, one comment directed me to this dd-wrt forum thread | > | > After reading it I don't think I'll run dd-wrt. | | Why not? The main developer actively responded in the thread, most devs don't even bother lurking on their project's forums. | | That thread is also from 2 years ago -- if it was all that bad I'd expect the project would have folded by now, but it hasn't. So, honest mistake, that was corrected, more than 2 years ago, no reason to write off the whole project. A proper approach to security does not involve quietly fixing a bug in the next release. It involves: - announcing the problem quickly, widely, and clearly. Including any work-arounds - quickly issuing a fix. But not too quickly: too much haste may well create new security holes or other bugs. - investigating why the problem was created: when there is one problem, there is often another - a certain level of humility None of these were done in this case. Even when prompted, all that resulted was push-back. Security is very high on my list of requirements for a router because it is usually the most exposed attack surface in my world. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 16:42:04 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:42:04 -0400 Subject: Routing choice under user control per application instance? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I might be wrong, but can't this be done by passing a command-line parameter indicating you want to use, say, eth1 instead of eth0? Sorry if it sounds obvious, but sometimes I find myself trying to reinvent the wheel and end up finding a command-line switch that saves the day. FZ On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 16:41, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > Hi! > > I am wondering whether it is possible to choose TCP/IP routing for a > specific instance of an application - chosen on user-level when the > application is started? > > More specifically I have a linux workstation with 2 Internet connections > (different devices), and I would like to have some applications connecting > to Internet using one connection while other applications connecting to > Internet using the other connection, where I choose which application > instance use which connection. > > I control the whole workstation (root, hardware) so I can do whatever on the > machine, but not the router / connection. > > Any idea? > > -- > ? ?____ ?____ ?____ ?____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo > ? /___ ?/___/ /___/ /___ ? ? ?http://www.arifsaha.com/ > ?____/ / ? ? / ? / ____/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 16:42:50 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:42:50 -0400 Subject: you sat tomato, ddwrt or openWRT ? In-Reply-To: <20100319152500.GA3234-uJ2o19zk1gpqyOjzEv4mMiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA25E45.4020407@linuxcaffe.ca> <201003190032.57634.amarjan@pobox.com> <20100319152500.GA3234@phaedrus.isageek.ca> Message-ID: <20100319164250.GW4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:25:00AM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:10:35AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > | From: Andrej Marjan > > > > | LWN had a decent review of Tomato, including some concerns: > > | http://lwn.net/Articles/369367/ > > > > Thanks for pointing that out. > > > > Even the comments submitted to that article were worth reading. > > Amazing: in the vast majority of things I read, comments added by > > users are boring, uninformed, or vile. > > > > In particular, one comment directed me to this dd-wrt forum thread > > > > After reading it I don't think I'll run dd-wrt. > > Why not? The main developer actively responded in the thread, most devs don't even bother lurking on their project's forums. > > That thread is also from 2 years ago -- if it was all that bad I'd expect the project would have folded by now, but it hasn't. So, honest mistake, that was corrected, more than 2 years ago, no reason to write off the whole project. I think the fact a security notice and an new fixed release (with no other changes, which is obviously trivial to do) is what looks really bad. Sure fixing the bug in the next release is a start, but just dismissing it is bad. I guess if I was running it, I would have gone and fixed the code and recompiled it myself, but most users don't do that I suspect. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 16:43:14 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:43:14 -0400 Subject: Routing choice under user control per application instance? In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1003181352o1d8ced58n81030a68b64a1c93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh, ok, it's more complicated than I thought at first. I'd try proxies or iptables. On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 17:55, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > On Thu, 18 Mar 2010, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> >> What are the applications? > > The application is not specific and my connect to any IP. So it can be > browsers, mail client, chat client, torrent client, etc. Two application > instances of the same kind may run together (e.g. 2 different browsers or > running 2 different instances of alpine mail client) and one should connect > using the first connection and the other connect using the second > connection. > >> c) Have a proxy of some sort which will pass traffic to the secondary >> router only, and if your application(s) support proxy settings, set all the >> ones you want to use the alternate router to use the proxy. > > Hmm, may work for certain application (browser for instance). Can a proxy > setup that way (a proxy is an application anyway). > > Thanks! > > -- > ? ____ ?____ ?____ ?____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo > ?/___ ?/___/ /___/ /___ ? ? ?http://www.arifsaha.com/ > ?____/ / ? ? / ? / ____/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 16:43:38 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:43:38 -0400 Subject: Routing choice under user control per application instance? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100319164338.GX4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 12:42:04PM -0400, Fabio FZero wrote: > I might be wrong, but can't this be done by passing a command-line > parameter indicating you want to use, say, eth1 instead of eth0? > > Sorry if it sounds obvious, but sometimes I find myself trying to > reinvent the wheel and end up finding a command-line switch that saves > the day. That does not affect routing, only your choice of source IP at best. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 16:50:38 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:50:38 -0400 Subject: picking a wireless router: dual band support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100319165038.GY4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 12:07:04PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > [Warning: this is long and rambling] > > I still haven't found: a clear, simple, and reliable way of finding > the best available routers for *wrt. One reason is surely that there > are several dimensions that one might care about so there isn't a > simple answer. > > I just bought my first thing with 802.11n (not counting a router that > I've loaned). This brings into focus Lennart's insistence on dual-band > support. I think he is right and I'm glad he brought it to my > attention. > > What is dual band? 802.11b and 802.11g both use the 2.4GHz unlicenced > radio band. 802.11a (limited takeup) uses the 5GHz band. Some (by no > means all) 802.11n systems support both of these bands. All 802.11n > systems seem to support the 2.4GHz band. So dual-band as means > supporting both of these bands. > > Why does dual band matter? Because so many things crowd the 2.4GHz > band: baby monitors, microwave ovens (leakage), Bluetooth, etc. See > . > The 5GHz band is less crowded. > > This advantage might decline if and when dual-band 802.11n becomes > ubiquitous. It is perhaps telling that there is no wikipedia article > on 5GHz interference. > > I just bought a netbook that has 802.11n but is only single band. The > specs for this device were hardly available -- I didn't even know that > it did 802.11n -- so I'm not disappointed. > > How can you tell if a device has dual band support? I guess that in > most cases it is advertised as a feature if the device supports it. > A second clue is that if 802.11a and 802.11n are both listed as > supported, then I would think that the 802.11n will support both > bands. The packaging should say. Some say 'dual band wireless'. Some say 'simultanious dual band wireless'. You want the last one, not the first one. Just listing support for 802.11a doesn't mean it can do both bands at the same time. It just means it has the option to use 5ghz. > Some routers can simultaneously use both bands and some switch between > them. That probably matters. Most of the google hits for "simultaneous > dual-band wireless router" refer to certain Linksys devices; it may be > that there is a different terminology used by other manufacturers. Dlink uses the same terminology. I have a dlink DIR-825 rev B, which so far to me seems like probably one of the best wireless router choices out there. It has support checked in to both openwrt and ddwrt, although I don't believe either has made a release with support yet, but it will be in future releases from both. > I previously said that this router was a good deal: > > > But it doesn't support the 5GHz band so I will no longer consider it. > > It looks as if the Linksys WRT400n is the least expensive simultaneous > dual-band router around here (as low as $80 from Sig Electronics but > normally $100). OpenWRT support looks to be coming along nicely. But > other features might rule this one out: it does not support gigabit > ethernet. The DIR-825 tends to sell for $140 to $150, and has all gigabit ethernet, and a USB port. I thought it was worth the extra money. It also has a pretty fast CPU (About 600MHz MIPS24k) and 32 (or sometimes 64) MB of ram. For openwrt or ddwrt that might come in handy. I also find linksys's routers tend to run way too hot, which the dlink does not. The dlink's blue LEDs are way too bright however. :) For the client side, I just picked up a linksys WMP600N card for my wife's desktop to replace the WMP54G that it had before. It uses a ralink 2860 chipset, which 2.6.32 has support for with a few bgs in 802.11g mode so far. There are newer drivers on ralink's site which claim to do 5ghz as well and 802.11n. I hope they make it into the kernel soon. Even in 802.11g mode it already has much better signal strength and throughput than the old card. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 20:11:34 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: interesting discontinued netbook LG x120-N In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So I got this netbook, the LG x120-N.CSBAA8, from Tiger Direct this week. I think that it is a good deal. I'm top-posting my previous message because most of it still applies but I now know more. - I really like the 1366x768 resolution. Much better than the normal netbook 1024x600. The pixels are quite small, of course (150DPI). - the "Smart On" is a special fast non-disk boot of a modest and limited linux-based tool. What I find useful is to get to the web quickly and then shut down again. No ssh, dammit. Might be hackable. It even supports Skype (but I don't). - "Smart Link" is a goofy thing that lets this notebook (when running Window) connect to another PC running Windows, using a supplied USB cable. Why Windows-only? To the computers, it looks like a little mass-storage device containing auto-run driver software which provides access to the real hardware. It allows sharing files in some way that I haven't bothered to figure out. Google gets me nothing useful. - Windows7 Starter Edition is what is bundled. A rather handicapped version of Windows (eg: cannot play DVDs, cannot extend desktop to a second monitor, cannot even change wallpaper). I didn't really want Windows anyway, so I don't care. - I had very little problem installing Ubuntu 9.10: + on first boot, the Windows setup thingee lets you split the disk between c: and d:. I made d: as big as it would let me and later let Ubuntu take over the space of d:. That still left ~50GB for c: (too much, I think). + Windows first-boot / setup takes quite a while as it sends a backup to another partition. It must be easy to screw up Windows because the system provides a bunch of different ways of resetting everything back to fresh-from-factory state (except for probably retaining your EULA consent etc.). + 3 primary partitions were tied up by the standard load. Two kinds of maintenance partitions and one Windows partition. + Ubuntu had to live within logical partitions: the one remaining slot for primary partitions had to be used as the extended partition (i.e. the container for logical partitions) + I let Ubuntu take over the master boot sector. Windows7 seemed to accept that. + the Ralink RT3090 wireless card was not recognized / supported by Ubuntu. There is a driver package here: - The netbooks seems large and heavy to me. It has a 6-cell battery which definitely adds to the weight. I've not used other netbooks so I cannot compare. - the x120 seems solidly built. The keyboard seems good to me. - the x120 is a series. Or maybe several series. There is scant coverage of this model on the internet, even on LG's own sites. I think that the LG x120-N is quite different from the more commonly covered variants (one of which is subsidized by AT&T in the US with a mobile contract and a built-in card). - the documentation that came with the machine (printed, on the DVD, and on the hard drive under Windows) is pretty limited. - I'm really glad the Ubuntu just worked because I don't see a community of x120 users that can help - there is even a tiny slot in the case, underneath the battery, to install a SIM card. But, of course, mine doesn't have the mobile card to accept that SIM. - the bezel is larger than I'd like. If they made it smaller, they could have made the whole computer smaller - the screws that hold the thing together are Phillips, but smaller than any driver that I have. So I haven't been able to figure out the memory configuration and whether it is easy to add more. Unlike many netbooks, there is a door on the bottom for access to the memory. Nice touch: the case labels which screws are for the keyboard. - I haven't tried the web cam in Linux. I saw that it worked in Windows but didn't pay much attention. - the computer came with a fake suede padded pouch. No room for any accessories. A nice touch. - stereo speakers. SRS WoW. Microphone. Two audio jacks. - VGA out | Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:58:33 -0400 (EDT) | From: D. Hugh Redelmeier | | LG X120-N.CSBAA8 Netbook $329 (free shipping because it is over $100): | | | Things I noted: | + 1366 x 768 resolution screen | + LED backlight | + 6-cell battery | - one bar for trackpad buttons so pressing left and right at the same time | (to simulate middle button in X) cannot be done. What does one do | instead? | + uses gma 950 -- Linux support | + "Smart On", some kind of quick-boot minimal Linux (on disk?) | + bluetooth and 802.11b/g also supports 802.11n, single band | + room for 3g radio? MiniPCI slot? (Some models come with one.) | - 1G RAM; 160G HD disk is actually 250G | + 3 USB (more than some netbooks if I remember correctly) | + 1.3M webcam | + flash card reader built-in. SD listed but SDHC is not. I hope that | that is a mistake. [sales person says it should do SDHC] Some specs on the machine itself say it does SDHC. I have not tested. | - OS: Win7 Starter | | This is a year-old model. Newer is better. | | I'm not clear what the warranty is. It appears to be 1 year parts and | labour from LG, but perhaps only in the US. On the other hand, the | tigerdirect writeup refers to "Canadian English" Window 7 Starter | Edition. [Sales person says that support should be from LG Canada.] | | I cannot find this model on the LG web site. | | I wonder if it has a bilingual keyboard. It seems to be unavailable on | the tiger direct US website. [The site does not specify the layout so the | sales person thinks it should be US layout.] The keyboard is US. In theory, I'd prefer bilingual, but in real life I really really prefer US. | I just ordered one (after I typed the above). They have them in stock in Richmond Hill, so delivery is fast. They are not offered in the US. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 20:52:45 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:52:45 -0400 Subject: interesting discontinued netbook LG x120-N In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 4:11 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > So I got this netbook, the LG x120-N.CSBAA8, from Tiger Direct this week. > I think that it is a good deal. That does indeed look pretty nice, as netbooks go. If I were in the market for one, this looks like an interesting cheap option. My T43 is going on quite strong enough to discourage such :-). It sure would be nice to know if RAM is further expandable; it's not evident, and the non-ease of finding out suggests possibly not. Possible suggestion: there's a pretty useful repository of info on support for laptops here; they offer a web interface for adding to the "database." Might be nice to have an entry there describing your experience. http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/entry.html http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/other.html -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 21:09:24 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:09:24 -0400 Subject: interesting discontinued netbook LG x120-N In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100319210924.GZ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 04:52:45PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > That does indeed look pretty nice, as netbooks go. If I were in the > market for one, this looks like an interesting cheap option. My T43 > is going on quite strong enough to discourage such :-). > > It sure would be nice to know if RAM is further expandable; it's not > evident, and the non-ease of finding out suggests possibly not. > > Possible suggestion: there's a pretty useful repository of info on > support for laptops here; they offer a web interface for adding to the > "database." Might be nice to have an entry there describing your > experience. I suspect the ram is upgradeable to 2GB. It is on most of the current netbooks. Of course for an extra few dollars you could get the eeepc 1005 or 1008 both of which have working wifi and ethernet drivers in linux already, unlike apparently the LG. Otherwise similar specs (although the eeepc is only the typical 1024x600 display). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 19 21:24:52 2010 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:24:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Routing choice under user control per application instance? In-Reply-To: <20100319103646.GB1472@localhost> References: <3a97ef1003181352o1d8ced58n81030a68b64a1c93@mail.gmail.com> <20100319103646.GB1472@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Mar 2010, Scott Allen wrote: > iptables can be set up to route based on the user ID. You > might be able to set each application's user as a way to > select the connection (e.g. with sudo). This exactly what I am looking for! I already running application as different users, so this should fit nicely. I guess I did something wrong on my searches before so I didn't find it. Now I need to read documentation and find examples to learn how exactly to do this. :-) Thanks! -- ____ ____ ____ ____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo /___ /___/ /___/ /___ http://www.arifsaha.com/ ____/ / / / ____/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 20 16:13:24 2010 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:13:24 -0400 Subject: Routing choice under user control per application instance? In-Reply-To: ; from arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org on Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 17:24:52 -0400 References: <3a97ef1003181352o1d8ced58n81030a68b64a1c93@mail.gmail.com> <20100319103646.GB1472@localhost> Message-ID: <20100320161324.GA1452@localhost> On Fri Mar 19,2010 05:24:52 PM S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > On Fri, 19 Mar 2010, Scott Allen wrote: >> iptables can be set up to route based on the user ID. You might be >> able to set each application's user as a way to select the >> connection (e.g. with sudo). > [...] > Now I need to read documentation and find examples to learn how > exactly to do this. :-) I'm sorry that I'm not an iptables expert, so I can't tell you exactly how to do it. I did a web search for "iptables policy routing" and found the following article, which looks close to what you want to do: It's a few years old. Hopefully it's still relevant. -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 21 18:02:29 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:02:29 -0400 Subject: More USB woes Message-ID: I'm starting to get worried.... Today I shut down my computer to get the dust out, and when I booted back up, my big external drive would not mount (panic), so again I looked at /var/log/messages to see what I could see. Eventually it did mount (whew!), but this is what I saw in messages: Mar 21 13:50:24 node1 kernel: [ 575.712023] usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 21 13:50:25 node1 kernel: [ 575.964035] usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 21 13:50:25 node1 kernel: [ 576.216035] usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 21 13:50:25 node1 kernel: [ 576.468060] usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 21 13:50:25 node1 kernel: [ 576.720025] usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ 576.972022] usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ 577.105760] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Unhandled error code Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ 577.105768] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Result: hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_OK Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ 577.224088] usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ 577.476054] usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ 577.728028] usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ 577.980018] usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ 578.232023] usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ 578.484018] usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ 578.617702] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Unhandled error code Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ 578.617710] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Result: hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_OK Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ 578.736021] usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 21 13:50:28 node1 kernel: [ 578.988026] usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 21 13:50:28 node1 kernel: [ 579.240018] usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 21 13:50:28 node1 kernel: [ 579.492018] usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 21 13:50:28 node1 kernel: [ 579.744118] usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 21 13:50:29 node1 kernel: [ 579.996022] usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 Mar 21 13:50:29 node1 kernel: [ 580.129748] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Unhandled error code Mar 21 13:50:29 node1 kernel: [ 580.129754] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Result: hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_OK Mar 21 13:51:32 node1 kernel: [ 643.279973] usb 1-4: USB disconnect, address 8 Mar 21 13:51:32 node1 kernel: [ 643.552060] usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 13 Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ 643.888030] usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ 644.031972] usb 3-2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ 644.060004] usb 3-2: New USB device found, idVendor=04fc, idProduct=0c25 Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ 644.060035] usb 3-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=2, Product=3, SerialNumber=1 Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ 644.060040] usb 3-2: Product: USB to Serial-ATA bridge Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ 644.060043] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: Sunplus Technology Co.,Ltd. Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ 644.060046] usb 3-2: SerialNumber: FF310005280000000000009FF1B082 Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ 644.060189] usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ 644.082219] scsi4 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Mar 21 13:51:38 node1 kernel: [ 649.090972] scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access ST310005 28AS PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 Mar 21 13:51:38 node1 kernel: [ 649.101954] sd 4:0:0:0: [sda] 1953525168 512-byte hardware sectors: (1.00 TB/931 GiB) Mar 21 13:51:38 node1 kernel: [ 649.106947] sd 4:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off Mar 21 13:51:44 node1 kernel: [ 649.122952] sda: sda1 Mar 21 13:51:44 node1 kernel: [ 654.910936] sd 4:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk Is there something wrong with my computer? I don't get this with my iPod when I plug it in, and now the USB key that was not working previously this week (see other USB thread) now is working, no errors in messages. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 21 18:28:17 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: interesting discontinued netbook LG x120-N In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Christopher Browne | It sure would be nice to know if RAM is further expandable; it's not | evident, and the non-ease of finding out suggests possibly not. It should be easy: unlike most netbooks, this one has a door for RAM, secured by a screw. The screw is a #0 Phillips, a bit of an oddball size. So I bought a "Precision Screwdriver Set" from Canadian Tire. The screw will not budge, even with the right driver. I imagine that it has been secured by some kind of adhesive. Is this commonly done? Is there a reasonable way to overcome this? Say, a standard solvent that won't damage the plastic case? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 21 19:25:10 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:25:10 -0400 Subject: More USB woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It could be a problem in the connector, maybe a loose solder point? I'd try another port and another cable before anything else. FZ On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 14:02, Thomas Milne wrote: > I'm starting to get worried.... > > Today I shut down my computer to get the dust out, and when I booted > back up, my big external drive would not mount (panic), so again I > looked at /var/log/messages to see what I could see. Eventually it did > mount (whew!), but this is what I saw in messages: > > Mar 21 13:50:24 node1 kernel: [ ?575.712023] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:25 node1 kernel: [ ?575.964035] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:25 node1 kernel: [ ?576.216035] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:25 node1 kernel: [ ?576.468060] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:25 node1 kernel: [ ?576.720025] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ ?576.972022] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ ?577.105760] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] > Unhandled error code > Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ ?577.105768] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Result: > hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_OK > Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ ?577.224088] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ ?577.476054] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ ?577.728028] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ ?577.980018] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ ?578.232023] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ ?578.484018] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ ?578.617702] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] > Unhandled error code > Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ ?578.617710] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Result: > hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_OK > Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ ?578.736021] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:28 node1 kernel: [ ?578.988026] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:28 node1 kernel: [ ?579.240018] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:28 node1 kernel: [ ?579.492018] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:28 node1 kernel: [ ?579.744118] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:29 node1 kernel: [ ?579.996022] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:29 node1 kernel: [ ?580.129748] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] > Unhandled error code > Mar 21 13:50:29 node1 kernel: [ ?580.129754] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Result: > hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_OK > Mar 21 13:51:32 node1 kernel: [ ?643.279973] usb 1-4: USB disconnect, address 8 > Mar 21 13:51:32 node1 kernel: [ ?643.552060] usb 1-4: new high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 13 > Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?643.888030] usb 3-2: new full speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 > Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.031972] usb 3-2: not running at > top speed; connect to a high speed hub > Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.060004] usb 3-2: New USB device > found, idVendor=04fc, idProduct=0c25 > Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.060035] usb 3-2: New USB device > strings: Mfr=2, Product=3, SerialNumber=1 > Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.060040] usb 3-2: Product: USB to > Serial-ATA bridge > Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.060043] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: > Sunplus Technology Co.,Ltd. > Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.060046] usb 3-2: SerialNumber: > FF310005280000000000009FF1B082 > Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.060189] usb 3-2: configuration #1 > chosen from 1 choice > Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.082219] scsi4 : SCSI emulation > for USB Mass Storage devices > Mar 21 13:51:38 node1 kernel: [ ?649.090972] scsi 4:0:0:0: > Direct-Access ? ? ST310005 28AS ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 > Mar 21 13:51:38 node1 kernel: [ ?649.101954] sd 4:0:0:0: [sda] > 1953525168 512-byte hardware sectors: (1.00 TB/931 GiB) > Mar 21 13:51:38 node1 kernel: [ ?649.106947] sd 4:0:0:0: [sda] Write > Protect is off > Mar 21 13:51:44 node1 kernel: [ ?649.122952] ?sda: sda1 > Mar 21 13:51:44 node1 kernel: [ ?654.910936] sd 4:0:0:0: [sda] > Attached SCSI disk > > Is there something wrong with my computer? I don't get this with my > iPod when I plug it in, and now the USB key that was not working > previously this week (see other USB thread) now is working, no errors > in messages. > > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 22 06:51:58 2010 From: gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Eric Battersby) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 02:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: More USB woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010, Thomas Milne wrote: > Today I shut down my computer to get the dust out, and when I booted > back up, my big external drive would not mount (panic), so again I > looked at /var/log/messages to see what I could see. Eventually it did > mount (whew!), but this is what I saw in messages: > > Mar 21 13:50:24 node1 kernel: [ 575.712023] usb 1-4: reset high speed > USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 > Mar 21 13:50:25 node1 kernel: [ 575.964035] usb 1-4: reset high speed ... > Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ 578.617710] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Result: > hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_OK > Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ 578.736021] usb 1-4: reset high speed ... > Is there something wrong with my computer? I don't get this with my > iPod when I plug it in, and now the USB key that was not working > previously this week (see other USB thread) now is working, no errors > in messages. I used to get these messages often with USB drives larger than 500GB (which may explain the iPod), while the drive was mounted and during writing! I have an older computer a Dell Lattitude C640 (circa 2002). What is the vintage of your computer? How often do you turn your USB drive off? My advice: - do not use USB OR - disconnect USB cable - turn off automount - turn drive on and let it warm up for 45m - tail -f /var/log/messages in separate window - while drive not connected - connect drive - if OK (according to 'messages'), then mount - else, disconnect USB, wait 15s You also might want to consider altering '/sys/block/sd?/device/max_sectors' to a smaller block size just before mounting. After connecting, I set mine to '64'. I don't know for sure if that helps, but it seems to. -- Eric B. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 22 18:54:14 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:54:14 -0400 Subject: Word no longer the biggest security hole Message-ID: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/09/adobe_reader_attacks/ Adobe Reader has "moved ahead" to the dubious honour of "most-attacked-vector." Somehow, I'm glad I don't have their software on my machines... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marthter-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 22 19:44:28 2010 From: marthter-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (marthter) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:44:28 -0400 Subject: ping, every 4th packet not reported on Message-ID: <4BA7C89C.5010009@yahoo.ca> Hellooo Leenooks users... I've noticed this for years but finally I can't stand not understanding it any more. Hopefully someone on here who's better versed with Linux than me can set me straight... Why is every 4th packet not mentioned in ping results when pinging a non-live address? i.e. in the icmp_seq numbers below, they go: [no 1], 2, 3, 4, [no 5], 6, 7, 8, [no 9], 10, 11, 12, ... It seems like the missing numbers will start randomly at either 1, 2, 3, or 4, but then from there onwards it is EVERY 4th one consistently for hundreds or thousands of packets if I let it go. What does it mean? Thanks in advance. Martin [martin at grand ~]$ ping large PING large.example.com (192.168.11.11) 56(84) bytes of data. From grand.example.com (192.168.11.22) icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable From grand.example.com (192.168.11.22) icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable From grand.example.com (192.168.11.22) icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable From grand.example.com (192.168.11.22) icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachable From grand.example.com (192.168.11.22) icmp_seq=7 Destination Host Unreachable From grand.example.com (192.168.11.22) icmp_seq=8 Destination Host Unreachable From grand.example.com (192.168.11.22) icmp_seq=10 Destination Host Unreachable From grand.example.com (192.168.11.22) icmp_seq=11 Destination Host Unreachable From grand.example.com (192.168.11.22) icmp_seq=12 Destination Host Unreachable ^C --- large.example.com ping statistics --- 12 packets transmitted, 0 received, +9 errors, 100% packet loss, time 11862ms pipe 3 [martin at grand ~]$ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 22 21:00:15 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:00:15 -0300 Subject: Word no longer the biggest security hole In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I dont't understand why people still use Acrobat when you have simpler, faster and free-er alternatives -- even on Windows (Foxit reader, for example). Ok, there's marketing, but on the other hand there's Google, so it's not that difficult to find this. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 15:54, Christopher Browne wrote: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/09/adobe_reader_attacks/ > Adobe Reader has "moved ahead" to the dubious honour of "most-attacked-vector." > > Somehow, I'm glad I don't have their software on my machines... > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rafael.carneiro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 22 22:09:22 2010 From: rafael.carneiro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rafael Carneiro) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:09:22 -0400 Subject: Powerline ethernet experiences? Message-ID: Hey guys, I'm thinking about buying the Linksys PLK300 ( http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_360&item_id=020890). I like the flexibility that comes with it, I could easily move a mythtv frontend between rooms and also extend my LAN by simply buying another adapter. I've read many reviews and it seems that the real world throughput for those devices is 30Mbps~70Mbps, depending on whether you have your devices connected to a single circuit or not (do they mean circuit breaker perhaps?). Anyways, my motivation is video streaming (mythtv box/ps3mediaserver <> ps3). My WRT54GL (running dd-wrt btw) is just not enough. It works for the most part but anything >= 720p gets really choppy. I have not completely given up on the idea of running a cat-6. Why don't you guys have conduits here in Canada? =D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_conduit Cheers, Rafael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 22 22:25:33 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:25:33 -0400 Subject: ping, every 4th packet not reported on In-Reply-To: <4BA7C89C.5010009-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <4BA7C89C.5010009@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20100322222533.GA4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 03:44:28PM -0400, marthter wrote: > Hellooo Leenooks users... > > I've noticed this for years but finally I can't stand not understanding > it any more. Hopefully someone on here who's better versed with Linux > than me can set me straight... > > Why is every 4th packet not mentioned in ping results when pinging a > non-live address? > > i.e. in the icmp_seq numbers below, they go: [no 1], 2, 3, 4, [no 5], 6, > 7, 8, [no 9], 10, 11, 12, ... > > It seems like the missing numbers will start randomly at either 1, 2, 3, > or 4, but then from there onwards it is EVERY 4th one consistently for > hundreds or thousands of packets if I let it go. > > What does it mean? > > Thanks in advance. > > Martin > > > [martin at grand ~]$ ping large > PING large.example.com (192.168.11.11) 56(84) bytes of data. > From grand.example.com (192.168.11.22) icmp_seq=2 Destination Host > Unreachable > From grand.example.com (192.168.11.22) icmp_seq=3 Destination Host > Unreachable > From grand.example.com (192.168.11.22) icmp_seq=4 Destination Host > Unreachable > From grand.example.com (192.168.11.22) icmp_seq=6 Destination Host > Unreachable > From grand.example.com (192.168.11.22) icmp_seq=7 Destination Host > Unreachable > From grand.example.com (192.168.11.22) icmp_seq=8 Destination Host > Unreachable > From grand.example.com (192.168.11.22) icmp_seq=10 Destination Host > Unreachable > From grand.example.com (192.168.11.22) icmp_seq=11 Destination Host > Unreachable > From grand.example.com (192.168.11.22) icmp_seq=12 Destination Host > Unreachable > ^C > --- large.example.com ping statistics --- > 12 packets transmitted, 0 received, +9 errors, 100% packet loss, time > 11862ms > pipe 3 > [martin at grand ~]$ No idea why, but it certainly seems to be the way it is. It probably depends on the OS of the router sending you the message. It certainly seems to be the way current linux kernels do things. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 22 22:30:16 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:30:16 -0400 Subject: Powerline ethernet experiences? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100322223016.GB4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 06:09:22PM -0400, Rafael Carneiro wrote: > I'm thinking about buying the Linksys PLK300 ( > http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_360&item_id=020890). > I like the flexibility that comes with it, I could easily move a mythtv > frontend between rooms and also extend my LAN by simply buying another > adapter. > I've read many reviews and it seems that the real world throughput for those > devices is 30Mbps~70Mbps, depending on whether you have your devices > connected to a single circuit or not (do they mean circuit breaker > perhaps?). > > Anyways, my motivation is video streaming (mythtv box/ps3mediaserver <> > ps3). My WRT54GL (running dd-wrt btw) is just not enough. It works for the > most part but anything >= 720p gets really choppy. > > I have not completely given up on the idea of running a cat-6. Why don't you > guys have conduits here in Canada? =D > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_conduit Well running HD video on mythtv certainly works much better after I moved to 802.11n using the 5ghz band. I have not got good impressions of powerline network stuff and certainly have never been tempted to get one. I will either use wireless or I will run proper wiring. And I am not really a fan of wireless either. Ehm, conduits? Have you seen how cheaply houses are built here? You are lucky if half your house isn't run on a single breaker. Your walls might even be square if you are lucky. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 22 23:05:42 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:05:42 -0400 Subject: Word no longer the biggest security hole In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You would be surprised. Human hate change and there is nothing we can go to help this. I had tried this at work - as I also support the window environment. For all new laptops, I had stopped using adobe and replaced it with evince. Then, I started getting complains that the file icons looks different. Nothing else was wrong. You click on a pdf on either outlook or browser or any application for that matter and evince would automatically open it. I explained to the user why the icon was different and why we plan to use something other than adobe. After all that, I asked, are you honestly satisfied or would you still need adobe installed. He said he would rather use adobe. I just installed it and got done with it. Human are complicated and you will never understand them. Me, the one I have never figure out is why someone poor would ever fight against universal health as happening south of our border. It f**king don't make sense On 22 March 2010 17:00, Fabio FZero wrote: > I dont't understand why people still use Acrobat when you have > simpler, faster and free-er alternatives -- even on Windows (Foxit > reader, for example). > > Ok, there's marketing, but on the other hand there's Google, so it's > not that difficult to find this. > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 15:54, Christopher Browne wrote: >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/09/adobe_reader_attacks/ >> Adobe Reader has "moved ahead" to the dubious honour of "most-attacked-vector." >> >> Somehow, I'm glad I don't have their software on my machines... >> -- >> http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 22 23:42:18 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:42:18 -0400 Subject: Powerline ethernet experiences? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BA8005A.8070508@dinamis.com> On 03/22/2010 06:09 PM, Rafael Carneiro wrote: > I have not completely given up on the idea of running a cat-6. Why > don't you guys have conduits here in Canada? =D > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_conduit Don't get me started! Toronto Hydro is digging up streets, driveways, front yards, back yards, rose gardens, you name it, to bury overhead electrical wires. They run the electrical feed in conduit to homes. This was done in my neighbourhood in the summer of 2001. The incremental cost of laying fiber optic cable at the same time and running it through the same conduit would be negligible. I don't think the city should allow Toronto Hydro to dig up public roads, which eventually have to be fixed using public funds, without requiring Toronto Hydro to run fiber to the home. TH could be a neutral provider of dark fiber and we would have some real competition in Internet, telecom, and even IP TV services but there is no political will to do this and the incumbent oligopolists have deep pockets with which to lobby. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 24 17:48:48 2010 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:48:48 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Django Meetup April! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dimitri Gnidash Date: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:22 PM Subject: Django Meetup April! To: Django Toronto Hey Django Toronto! Thanks for asking for the new meetup! (Special thanks to Jason for resuming the conversation) James suggested we use a new shiny guestlist app and here we go - http://guestlistapp.com/events/18480 Please sign up! Only 50 tickets left! It will happen on April 6th at 7pm at Elephant and Castle at King and University. Hoping to see you there! (If you don't come you will be deleted from this list:) -- Myles Braithwaite http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 25 07:41:48 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:41:48 -0700 Subject: More USB woes In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1003250039u36f2c16aye14b875fd118ac4a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1003250039u36f2c16aye14b875fd118ac4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1003250041t5eda6d74q34ef92f3148f54d5@mail.gmail.com> I used to get this when using devices in USB2 mode, but not if I used only the USB1 modules. I figured it was either the hardware not quite following spec, or flakiness in the kernel driver. On 21 Mar 2010 11:52 PM, "Eric Battersby" wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010, Thomas Milne wrote: > Today I shut down my computer to get the dust out, and w... ... > Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ 578.617710] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Result: > hostbyte=DID_ERROR driver... ... > Is there something wrong with my computer? I don't get this with my > iPod when I plug it in, and ... I used to get these messages often with USB drives larger than 500GB (which may explain the iPod), while the drive was mounted and during writing! I have an older computer a Dell Lattitude C640 (circa 2002). What is the vintage of your computer? How often do you turn your USB drive off? My advice: - do not use USB OR - disconnect USB cable - turn off automount - turn drive on and let it warm up for 45m - tail -f /var/log/messages in separate window - while drive not connected - connect drive - if OK (according to 'messages'), then mount - else, disconnect USB, wait 15s You also might want to consider altering '/sys/block/sd?/device/max_sectors' to a smaller block size just before mounting. After connecting, I set mine to '64'. I don't know for sure if that helps, but it seems to. -- Eric B. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.king.1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Mar 25 23:29:50 2010 From: peter.king.1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:29:50 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! Message-ID: In 2005, I put together a computer with an Asus M2V motherboard. It ran for three years and, minutes after the expiration of the warranty, died with a series of cascading bus errors. Well, hardware failure happens. I bought an Asus M4A78 Pro to replace it, dropped it in, and got it to work. It ran for just over thirteen months, when it failed, again with Linux reporting a string of bus errors. That's too soon, so I called up Asus, got an RMA, and sent it back. There was a quick turnaround: about eight days later I had a new replacement M4A78 Pro, with a note that the one I'd sent in was, indeed, no good. I dropped in the new motherboard, and it booted up with most things working -- just not the ethernet chip. A bit of googling turned up the information that this isn't uncommon, so I installed a PCI ethernet card, with some annoyance. That was Monday. On Tuesday, it would not boot at all. Rechecked cables, power supply, fiddled with the RAM, nothing. Eventually I gave up and took it over to Filtech for them to check it out. You guessed it: The "new" replacement motherboard was completely dead. I told them to put in a new motherboard. They proposed a fancier Asus model. Not a chance. Let's see if a Gigabyte will do any better -- it would have to work at it to do any worse (two days!). I know any given component can fail. But that's too many, too quickly, including one sent straight from the company. No more Asus products for me. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 01:12:31 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Peter King | I know any given component can fail. But that's too many, too quickly, | including one sent straight from the company. No more Asus products | for me. I wonder if something else in your box is eating motherboards. For example, perhaps the power supply is out of spec or generating spikes. Why do I wonder? Because three dead motherboards is a bit of a string. But note: three isn't really a large sample. If there is a pattern, what is the common factor? - the brand of the motherboard - the actual power going into the box (spikes?) - something in the box + the power supply + a PCI board + an internal device (CD, DVD, HDD, ...) + the (lack of) cooling - an external device (ethernet, modem, printer). Possibly as a conduit for electrical surge. In this list, the actual brand of the motherboard would not be the first thing on the list that I'd suspect. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king.1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 01:51:36 2010 From: peter.king.1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:51:36 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Could be something in the machine, at least for the last two. But when I put in the factory-sent motherboard on Monday, I also changed the power supply, and it's all plugged into a UPS (which should take care of random spikes). So my guess is the motherboards -- maybe the M4A78 Pro is a rum design. I have an eight-year-old Asus motherboard in the machine I'm using to send this message, and it has been a rock. Luck of the draw, perhaps. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:12 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Peter King > > | I know any given component can fail. But that's too many, too quickly, > | including one sent straight from the company. No more Asus products > | for me. > > I wonder if something else in your box is eating motherboards. ?For > example, perhaps the power supply is out of spec or generating spikes. > > Why do I wonder? ?Because three dead motherboards is a bit of a > string. ?But note: three isn't really a large sample. > > If there is a pattern, what is the common factor? > > - the brand of the motherboard > > - the actual power going into the box (spikes?) > > - something in the box > > ?+ the power supply > > ?+ a PCI board > > ?+ an internal device (CD, DVD, HDD, ...) > > ?+ the (lack of) cooling > > - an external device (ethernet, modem, printer). ?Possibly as a > ?conduit for electrical surge. > > In this list, the actual brand of the motherboard would not be the > first thing on the list that I'd suspect. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 02:06:41 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:06:41 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100326020641.GA7575@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 09:51:36PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > Could be something in the machine, at least for the last two. But when > I put in the > factory-sent motherboard on Monday, I also changed the power supply, > and it's all > plugged into a UPS (which should take care of random spikes). So my guess is the > motherboards -- maybe the M4A78 Pro is a rum design. I also have AMD/Asus board... and it's flaky. I think the only reason why it lasted this long is I have very good power supply. My next computer will be Intel cpu and Intel board. -- William > > I have an eight-year-old Asus motherboard in the machine I'm using to send this > message, and it has been a rock. Luck of the draw, perhaps. > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:12 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > | From: Peter King > > > > | I know any given component can fail. But that's too many, too quickly, > > | including one sent straight from the company. No more Asus products > > | for me. > > > > I wonder if something else in your box is eating motherboards. ?For > > example, perhaps the power supply is out of spec or generating spikes. > > > > Why do I wonder? ?Because three dead motherboards is a bit of a > > string. ?But note: three isn't really a large sample. > > > > If there is a pattern, what is the common factor? > > > > - the brand of the motherboard > > > > - the actual power going into the box (spikes?) > > > > - something in the box > > > > ?+ the power supply > > > > ?+ a PCI board > > > > ?+ an internal device (CD, DVD, HDD, ...) > > > > ?+ the (lack of) cooling > > > > - an external device (ethernet, modem, printer). ?Possibly as a > > ?conduit for electrical surge. > > > > In this list, the actual brand of the motherboard would not be the > > first thing on the list that I'd suspect. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 02:12:33 2010 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:12:33 -0400 Subject: Word no longer the biggest security hole In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201003252212.33159.amarjan@pobox.com> On March 22, 2010 05:00:15 pm you wrote: > I dont't understand why people still use Acrobat when you have > simpler, faster and free-er alternatives -- even on Windows (Foxit > reader, for example). > > Ok, there's marketing, but on the other hand there's Google, so it's > not that difficult to find this. Here's some rational reasons to prefer Acrobat: 1. The best rendering quality. Foxit for instance is fast, simple and lightweight, and looks exactly like Acrobat 7 -- not bad, but not in the same class as Acrobat 9. Okular (what I use, same backend as Evince) is usually quick and decent-looking, but every so often it explodes and produces crap output, or takes forever to render. 2. Forms just work. Yes they're horrible but they're inevitable for some things, and Acrobat handles them, period. Most PDF readers don't do forms at all, much less robustly. I had a third reason but it slipped my mind. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 02:18:24 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:18:24 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <20100326020641.GA7575-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100326020641.GA7575@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4BAC1970.2040101@dinamis.com> On 03/25/2010 10:06 PM, William Park wrote: > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 09:51:36PM -0400, Peter King wrote: >> Could be something in the machine, at least for the last two. But when >> I put in the >> factory-sent motherboard on Monday, I also changed the power supply, >> and it's all >> plugged into a UPS (which should take care of random spikes). So my guess is the >> motherboards -- maybe the M4A78 Pro is a rum design. > > I also have AMD/Asus board... and it's flaky. I think the only reason > why it lasted this long is I have very good power supply. My next > computer will be Intel cpu and Intel board. For what it's worth, when I spoke to a fellow at the Canada Computers store in Pacific Mall last fall when I was shopping for components to build the system I'm currently using, he recommended Asus when I asked him about a Gigabyte which was about the same price as the Asus that I eventually bought. He said, "By the way, I'm the tech who has to deal with RMAs. I rarely see Asus motherboards returned but I see Gigabyte and others all the time." I know that's anecdotal evidence but assuming he has no vested interest in telling me that, he's bound to have a bigger sample to draw from than I would. Having said that, if the other popular brands were so awful, they wouldn't survive. It's a competitive market. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 02:20:35 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:20:35 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100325222035.f34194d0.tleslie@tcn.net> i swear by asus and tyan, tyan for amd, and both i consider for intel. i was going to buy a asus shortly, as intel seems to be the way to go as of late. I will have to do some checking now. Tyan are always a good bet, but a little pricy. I am not aware of any other brands of motherboards that are considered rocks except asus and tyan. tl On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:29:50 -0400 Peter King wrote: > In 2005, I put together a computer with an Asus M2V motherboard. It > ran for three years and, minutes after the expiration of the warranty, > died with a series of cascading bus errors. > > Well, hardware failure happens. I bought an Asus M4A78 Pro to replace > it, dropped it in, and got it to work. It ran for just over thirteen months, > when it failed, again with Linux reporting a string of bus errors. That's > too soon, so I called up Asus, got an RMA, and sent it back. There was > a quick turnaround: about eight days later I had a new replacement > M4A78 Pro, with a note that the one I'd sent in was, indeed, no good. > > I dropped in the new motherboard, and it booted up with most things > working -- just not the ethernet chip. A bit of googling turned up the > information that this isn't uncommon, so I installed a PCI ethernet > card, with some annoyance. That was Monday. > > On Tuesday, it would not boot at all. Rechecked cables, power supply, > fiddled with the RAM, nothing. Eventually I gave up and took it over > to Filtech for them to check it out. > > You guessed it: The "new" replacement motherboard was completely > dead. > > I told them to put in a new motherboard. They proposed a fancier Asus > model. Not a chance. Let's see if a Gigabyte will do any better -- it > would have to work at it to do any worse (two days!). > > I know any given component can fail. But that's too many, too quickly, > including one sent straight from the company. No more Asus products > for me. > > -- > Peter King > peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 02:33:10 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:33:10 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <20100325222035.f34194d0.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100325222035.f34194d0.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <4BAC1CE6.9020709@dinamis.com> On 03/25/2010 10:20 PM, ted leslie wrote: > > i swear by asus and tyan, tyan for amd, and both i consider for > intel. i was going to buy a asus shortly, as intel seems to be the > way to go as of late. I will have to do some checking now. Tyan are > always a good bet, but a little pricy. I am not aware of any other > brands of motherboards that are considered rocks except asus and > tyan. The only motherboard that has died on a system that I've personally owned is an expensive dual CPU Tyan motherboard but that was ages ago. The flip side of that is that I have a system with a cheap ECS motherboard that has been powered by a cheap, no-name power supply since 2001. ECS isn't supposed to be a good brand so what this demonstrates to me is that unless you have a statistically significant sample, one can't draw any conclusions from anecdotes. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 02:42:11 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:42:11 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <4BAC1CE6.9020709-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100325222035.f34194d0.tleslie@tcn.net> <4BAC1CE6.9020709@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20100325224211.2fec4f9a.tleslie@tcn.net> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:33:10 -0400 CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 03/25/2010 10:20 PM, ted leslie wrote: > > > > i swear by asus and tyan, tyan for amd, and both i consider for > > intel. i was going to buy a asus shortly, as intel seems to be the > > way to go as of late. I will have to do some checking now. Tyan are > > always a good bet, but a little pricy. I am not aware of any other > > brands of motherboards that are considered rocks except asus and > > tyan. > > The only motherboard that has died on a system that I've personally > owned is an expensive dual CPU Tyan motherboard but that was ages ago. > The flip side of that is that I have a system with a cheap ECS > motherboard that has been powered by a cheap, no-name power supply since > 2001. ECS isn't supposed to be a good brand so what this demonstrates to > me is that unless you have a statistically significant sample, one can't > draw any conclusions from anecdotes. absolutely! 40 tyans over 5 years, no failures (well one onboard graphics card went weird, but still worked with a slotted one), those stats work for me. also , intel makes go mobo's but they don't tend to be bleeding edge. I was making a few linux routers, and i wanted the most reliable mobo, this way about 5 years ago. And i researched and found a few of the large hosters that buy thousands of them, touted this one intel board, so i got that one. Interesting to see what the large hosters are buying these days (well aside from hp blades). tl > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 14:40:07 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:40:07 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Peter King wrote: [issues with multiple ASUS motherboards snipped] I basically just buy ASUS motherboards, and over the last 10 years I haven't had hardware issues with them. What I did run into a few years ago was a BIOS bug that from my point of view rendered a motherboard useless... I wanted a small box that I could put in my bedroom to serve as a diskless client tied to my "main" MythTV PC. The BIOS bug caused the motherboard to present a invalid (read a broadcast) MAC address to the network. Okay, so mine was an issue that would not be noticed by 99.9% + of the buyers of that motherboard, but it caused me grief, and I made very sure ASUS was made well aware of the trouble I had. It did take more months than I was happy with, but they did release an updated BIOS that did fix this issue... Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 14:49:34 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:49:34 -0400 Subject: More USB woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Something weird is going on, that's for sure. The drive would not mount at all the other night, I was getting errors about 'cannot read partition table'. So I switched to a different port and it worked fine (well, slow, but no errors). Also, no matter what port it's connected to, if I try to burn any files from the drive to a data DVD, I get an estimate of more than an hour to complete the burn. What?? ...and just now, when I plugged in a USB printer to another port, the drive disconnected and then reconnected (??). I think my computer is having problems as well...everything seems to happen at once sometimes. On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Fabio FZero wrote: > It could be a problem in the connector, maybe a loose solder point? > I'd try another port and another cable before anything else. > > FZ > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 14:02, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> I'm starting to get worried.... >> >> Today I shut down my computer to get the dust out, and when I booted >> back up, my big external drive would not mount (panic), so again I >> looked at /var/log/messages to see what I could see. Eventually it did >> mount (whew!), but this is what I saw in messages: >> >> Mar 21 13:50:24 node1 kernel: [ ?575.712023] usb 1-4: reset high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >> Mar 21 13:50:25 node1 kernel: [ ?575.964035] usb 1-4: reset high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >> Mar 21 13:50:25 node1 kernel: [ ?576.216035] usb 1-4: reset high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >> Mar 21 13:50:25 node1 kernel: [ ?576.468060] usb 1-4: reset high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >> Mar 21 13:50:25 node1 kernel: [ ?576.720025] usb 1-4: reset high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >> Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ ?576.972022] usb 1-4: reset high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >> Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ ?577.105760] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] >> Unhandled error code >> Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ ?577.105768] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Result: >> hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_OK >> Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ ?577.224088] usb 1-4: reset high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >> Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ ?577.476054] usb 1-4: reset high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >> Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ ?577.728028] usb 1-4: reset high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >> Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ ?577.980018] usb 1-4: reset high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >> Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ ?578.232023] usb 1-4: reset high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >> Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ ?578.484018] usb 1-4: reset high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >> Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ ?578.617702] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] >> Unhandled error code >> Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ ?578.617710] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Result: >> hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_OK >> Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ ?578.736021] usb 1-4: reset high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >> Mar 21 13:50:28 node1 kernel: [ ?578.988026] usb 1-4: reset high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >> Mar 21 13:50:28 node1 kernel: [ ?579.240018] usb 1-4: reset high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >> Mar 21 13:50:28 node1 kernel: [ ?579.492018] usb 1-4: reset high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >> Mar 21 13:50:28 node1 kernel: [ ?579.744118] usb 1-4: reset high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >> Mar 21 13:50:29 node1 kernel: [ ?579.996022] usb 1-4: reset high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >> Mar 21 13:50:29 node1 kernel: [ ?580.129748] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] >> Unhandled error code >> Mar 21 13:50:29 node1 kernel: [ ?580.129754] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Result: >> hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_OK >> Mar 21 13:51:32 node1 kernel: [ ?643.279973] usb 1-4: USB disconnect, address 8 >> Mar 21 13:51:32 node1 kernel: [ ?643.552060] usb 1-4: new high speed >> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 13 >> Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?643.888030] usb 3-2: new full speed >> USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 >> Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.031972] usb 3-2: not running at >> top speed; connect to a high speed hub >> Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.060004] usb 3-2: New USB device >> found, idVendor=04fc, idProduct=0c25 >> Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.060035] usb 3-2: New USB device >> strings: Mfr=2, Product=3, SerialNumber=1 >> Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.060040] usb 3-2: Product: USB to >> Serial-ATA bridge >> Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.060043] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: >> Sunplus Technology Co.,Ltd. >> Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.060046] usb 3-2: SerialNumber: >> FF310005280000000000009FF1B082 >> Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.060189] usb 3-2: configuration #1 >> chosen from 1 choice >> Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.082219] scsi4 : SCSI emulation >> for USB Mass Storage devices >> Mar 21 13:51:38 node1 kernel: [ ?649.090972] scsi 4:0:0:0: >> Direct-Access ? ? ST310005 28AS ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 >> Mar 21 13:51:38 node1 kernel: [ ?649.101954] sd 4:0:0:0: [sda] >> 1953525168 512-byte hardware sectors: (1.00 TB/931 GiB) >> Mar 21 13:51:38 node1 kernel: [ ?649.106947] sd 4:0:0:0: [sda] Write >> Protect is off >> Mar 21 13:51:44 node1 kernel: [ ?649.122952] ?sda: sda1 >> Mar 21 13:51:44 node1 kernel: [ ?654.910936] sd 4:0:0:0: [sda] >> Attached SCSI disk >> >> Is there something wrong with my computer? I don't get this with my >> iPod when I plug it in, and now the USB key that was not working >> previously this week (see other USB thread) now is working, no errors >> in messages. >> >> >> -- >> TBM >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 17:04:58 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:04:58 -0400 Subject: More USB woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Like so many problems in life, this one was solved by throwing a bunch of money at it. I bought this: http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=587 The WD MyBook World Edition 2TB. It connects to your LAN and automatically sets up shares that can be accessed by the media browser on your PS3 or XBox, which is what I was doing before with my computer, Mediatomb, and my big external drive. It has a USB expansion port, so I can plug my old drive into it and easily copy over all of my files. Also, apparently it runs BusyBox, so you can even connect to it by SSH. On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Thomas Milne wrote: > Something weird is going on, that's for sure. > > The drive would not mount at all the other night, I was getting errors > about 'cannot read partition table'. So I switched to a different port > and it worked fine (well, slow, but no errors). > > Also, no matter what port it's connected to, if I try to burn any > files from the drive to a data DVD, I get an estimate of more than an > hour to complete the burn. What?? > > ...and just now, when I plugged in a USB printer to another port, the > drive disconnected and then reconnected (??). > > I think my computer is having problems as well...everything seems to > happen at once sometimes. > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Fabio FZero wrote: >> It could be a problem in the connector, maybe a loose solder point? >> I'd try another port and another cable before anything else. >> >> FZ >> >> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 14:02, Thomas Milne >> wrote: >>> I'm starting to get worried.... >>> >>> Today I shut down my computer to get the dust out, and when I booted >>> back up, my big external drive would not mount (panic), so again I >>> looked at /var/log/messages to see what I could see. Eventually it did >>> mount (whew!), but this is what I saw in messages: >>> >>> Mar 21 13:50:24 node1 kernel: [ ?575.712023] usb 1-4: reset high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:50:25 node1 kernel: [ ?575.964035] usb 1-4: reset high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:50:25 node1 kernel: [ ?576.216035] usb 1-4: reset high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:50:25 node1 kernel: [ ?576.468060] usb 1-4: reset high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:50:25 node1 kernel: [ ?576.720025] usb 1-4: reset high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ ?576.972022] usb 1-4: reset high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ ?577.105760] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] >>> Unhandled error code >>> Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ ?577.105768] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Result: >>> hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_OK >>> Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ ?577.224088] usb 1-4: reset high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ ?577.476054] usb 1-4: reset high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:50:26 node1 kernel: [ ?577.728028] usb 1-4: reset high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ ?577.980018] usb 1-4: reset high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ ?578.232023] usb 1-4: reset high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ ?578.484018] usb 1-4: reset high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ ?578.617702] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] >>> Unhandled error code >>> Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ ?578.617710] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Result: >>> hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_OK >>> Mar 21 13:50:27 node1 kernel: [ ?578.736021] usb 1-4: reset high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:50:28 node1 kernel: [ ?578.988026] usb 1-4: reset high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:50:28 node1 kernel: [ ?579.240018] usb 1-4: reset high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:50:28 node1 kernel: [ ?579.492018] usb 1-4: reset high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:50:28 node1 kernel: [ ?579.744118] usb 1-4: reset high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:50:29 node1 kernel: [ ?579.996022] usb 1-4: reset high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:50:29 node1 kernel: [ ?580.129748] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] >>> Unhandled error code >>> Mar 21 13:50:29 node1 kernel: [ ?580.129754] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Result: >>> hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_OK >>> Mar 21 13:51:32 node1 kernel: [ ?643.279973] usb 1-4: USB disconnect, address 8 >>> Mar 21 13:51:32 node1 kernel: [ ?643.552060] usb 1-4: new high speed >>> USB device using ehci_hcd and address 13 >>> Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?643.888030] usb 3-2: new full speed >>> USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 >>> Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.031972] usb 3-2: not running at >>> top speed; connect to a high speed hub >>> Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.060004] usb 3-2: New USB device >>> found, idVendor=04fc, idProduct=0c25 >>> Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.060035] usb 3-2: New USB device >>> strings: Mfr=2, Product=3, SerialNumber=1 >>> Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.060040] usb 3-2: Product: USB to >>> Serial-ATA bridge >>> Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.060043] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: >>> Sunplus Technology Co.,Ltd. >>> Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.060046] usb 3-2: SerialNumber: >>> FF310005280000000000009FF1B082 >>> Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.060189] usb 3-2: configuration #1 >>> chosen from 1 choice >>> Mar 21 13:51:33 node1 kernel: [ ?644.082219] scsi4 : SCSI emulation >>> for USB Mass Storage devices >>> Mar 21 13:51:38 node1 kernel: [ ?649.090972] scsi 4:0:0:0: >>> Direct-Access ? ? ST310005 28AS ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 >>> Mar 21 13:51:38 node1 kernel: [ ?649.101954] sd 4:0:0:0: [sda] >>> 1953525168 512-byte hardware sectors: (1.00 TB/931 GiB) >>> Mar 21 13:51:38 node1 kernel: [ ?649.106947] sd 4:0:0:0: [sda] Write >>> Protect is off >>> Mar 21 13:51:44 node1 kernel: [ ?649.122952] ?sda: sda1 >>> Mar 21 13:51:44 node1 kernel: [ ?654.910936] sd 4:0:0:0: [sda] >>> Attached SCSI disk >>> >>> Is there something wrong with my computer? I don't get this with my >>> iPod when I plug it in, and now the USB key that was not working >>> previously this week (see other USB thread) now is working, no errors >>> in messages. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> TBM >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > TBM > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 18:04:40 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:04:40 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100326180440.GC4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 07:29:50PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > In 2005, I put together a computer with an Asus M2V motherboard. It > ran for three years and, minutes after the expiration of the warranty, > died with a series of cascading bus errors. > > Well, hardware failure happens. I bought an Asus M4A78 Pro to replace > it, dropped it in, and got it to work. It ran for just over thirteen months, > when it failed, again with Linux reporting a string of bus errors. That's > too soon, so I called up Asus, got an RMA, and sent it back. There was > a quick turnaround: about eight days later I had a new replacement > M4A78 Pro, with a note that the one I'd sent in was, indeed, no good. > > I dropped in the new motherboard, and it booted up with most things > working -- just not the ethernet chip. A bit of googling turned up the > information that this isn't uncommon, so I installed a PCI ethernet > card, with some annoyance. That was Monday. > > On Tuesday, it would not boot at all. Rechecked cables, power supply, > fiddled with the RAM, nothing. Eventually I gave up and took it over > to Filtech for them to check it out. > > You guessed it: The "new" replacement motherboard was completely > dead. > > I told them to put in a new motherboard. They proposed a fancier Asus > model. Not a chance. Let's see if a Gigabyte will do any better -- it > would have to work at it to do any worse (two days!). Gigabyte caused me enough hassle trying to help people with their computers that they are not on my list anymore. > I know any given component can fail. But that's too many, too quickly, > including one sent straight from the company. No more Asus products > for me. Well so far I have never had an Asus board die on me ever. I have however also never bought anything with an ATI chipset. I don't trust those. The M2V is a via chipset. Those used to be reliable. I still use a K8V board (socket 939 rather than the newer socket AM2). Of course the other possibility is that you have a power supply killing your boards. It can happen. Given the reputation Asus has among technical people, I actually would suspect some other part of your system is causing the problem. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 18:08:26 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:08:26 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <20100326020641.GA7575-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100326020641.GA7575@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20100326180826.GD4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:06:41PM -0400, William Park wrote: > I also have AMD/Asus board... and it's flaky. I think the only reason > why it lasted this long is I have very good power supply. My next > computer will be Intel cpu and Intel board. I will agree on the intel CPU. For motherboards, intel currently ranks as one of the worst in my book. THey are not particularly well built or reliable, and if there is a BIOS bug (and intel has had plenty of the last few years), intel can take 6 to 12 months to fix an obvious bug that other boards makers fix in days. So: Intel CPU: Good idea. Intel chipset: Good idea. Intel motherboard: Bad idea. I don't know if via makes chipsets anymore. Some were decent, some flacky or buggy. AMD/ATI chipsets I won't go near. Nvidia has made some great ones, and some buggy ones. Intel chipsets just work. SiS used to be decent a long time ago (486 era), but got a lot worse over time. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 18:24:07 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:24:07 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <4BAC1970.2040101-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100326020641.GA7575@node1.opengeometry.net> <4BAC1970.2040101@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20100326182407.GE4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:18:24PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > For what it's worth, when I spoke to a fellow at the Canada Computers > store in Pacific Mall last fall when I was shopping for components to > build the system I'm currently using, he recommended Asus when I asked > him about a Gigabyte which was about the same price as the Asus that I > eventually bought. He said, "By the way, I'm the tech who has to deal > with RMAs. I rarely see Asus motherboards returned but I see Gigabyte > and others all the time." I know that's anecdotal evidence but assuming > he has no vested interest in telling me that, he's bound to have a > bigger sample to draw from than I would. Having said that, if the other > popular brands were so awful, they wouldn't survive. It's a competitive > market. Yeah exactly. Asus has ranked top in reliability on many surveys I have seen over the years. MSI is generally pretty high up too. Some people hate them though (I have never dealt with one). Gigabyte is lucky if they get half the votes of Asus. It is still considered very good these days. Perhaps they have learned something since the awful ones I have dealt with in the past. Of course given Asus has never failed me I haven't had a reason to give gigabyte another chance. EVGA generally seems decent, although they have generally in the past only made nvidia chipset boards and been a bit of a specialty case and hence don't have the numbers to really tell. Abit is supposed to be decent. I have never looked at them. ECS has been crap for years (along with their other brand PC Cchips). Biostar is also considered bad by most. No idea with DFI. Some people seem to like them. I don't think they are that big. Asus went from being a "never heard of them" motherboard maker from Taiwan in 1990. It was started by some engineers that had been at Acer. They made some 386 boards for OEM use. They then designed a 486 board based purely on the specs released, even though they didn't get an engineering sample until 6 months after it was first given to IBM and other big names. They apparently went to intel to have their board tested with a 486 chip, and the board worked perfectly. Intel's own prototype board at the time didn't work yet. Apparently they impressed intel. They now get samples of chipsets and CPUs from intel before anyone else. They are that good. Often Asus has working boards ready for evaluation before intel can make their own. I actually have one of those 486 boards from Asus that I bought in 1993. It still works perfectly. Back then they didn't say Asus on the box, it was just a light blue box with a rainbox. By the time pentium boards started shipping they put the Asus name on the rainbox. Going from nothing to 30% market share for motherboards in about 20 years must mean they are doing something right. I am sticking with them for now. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 19:03:45 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:03:45 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100326190345.GF4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:40:07AM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Peter King wrote: > > [issues with multiple ASUS motherboards snipped] > > I basically just buy ASUS motherboards, and over the last 10 years I > haven't had hardware issues with them. What I did run into a few years > ago was a BIOS bug that from my point of view rendered a motherboard > useless... I wanted a small box that I could put in my bedroom to > serve as a diskless client tied to my "main" MythTV PC. The BIOS bug > caused the motherboard to present a invalid (read a broadcast) MAC > address to the network. Okay, so mine was an issue that would not be > noticed by 99.9% + of the buyers of that motherboard, but it caused me > grief, and I made very sure ASUS was made well aware of the trouble I > had. It did take more months than I was happy with, but they did > release an updated BIOS that did fix this issue... That was one of the nvidia chipset bugs that make some people hate nvidia chipsets. Seems every board with nvidia chipsets had that bug. A few boards eventually fixed it. Certainly when I build a computer, the question is not which brand of motherboard to use. The question is simply which Asus board to use. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 19:06:18 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:06:18 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <4BAC1CE6.9020709-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100325222035.f34194d0.tleslie@tcn.net> <4BAC1CE6.9020709@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20100326190617.GG4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:33:10PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > The only motherboard that has died on a system that I've personally > owned is an expensive dual CPU Tyan motherboard but that was ages ago. > The flip side of that is that I have a system with a cheap ECS > motherboard that has been powered by a cheap, no-name power supply since > 2001. ECS isn't supposed to be a good brand so what this demonstrates to > me is that unless you have a statistically significant sample, one can't > draw any conclusions from anecdotes. If 100% of ECS boards failed, they would not be in business anymore, since no OEM would buy from them. They do have a long history of unreliable and flacky boards. They may not necesarily die, but they can be unreliable. I once saw a windows 98 system that frequently crashed and corrupted the filesystem. Seems simple enough to blame microsoft for it. Turns out replacing the power supply fixed the problem. Bad power made the system unstable. So an unreliable motherboard could do that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 19:17:55 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:17:55 -0400 Subject: More USB woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100326191755.GH4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:49:34AM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > Something weird is going on, that's for sure. > > The drive would not mount at all the other night, I was getting errors > about 'cannot read partition table'. So I switched to a different port > and it worked fine (well, slow, but no errors). > > Also, no matter what port it's connected to, if I try to burn any > files from the drive to a data DVD, I get an estimate of more than an > hour to complete the burn. What?? > > ...and just now, when I plugged in a USB printer to another port, the > drive disconnected and then reconnected (??). > > I think my computer is having problems as well...everything seems to > happen at once sometimes. Maybe your USB ports are underpowered. Some computers support powering on the computer by the keyboard and if the keyboard is USB then the USB port has to be powered by standby voltage (5Vsb rail). Many power supplies only had 1A available on that rail, which limits the number of USB devices that could really handle. Mice and keyboards are trivial since they use almost no power. If a USB drive is connected to one of those ports suddenly it is running on the standby power rail and could actually overload it. I think newer PCs only run the port on standby voltage when off, and switch to normal power later, but I wouldn't be surprised older machines didn't do that (after all USB drives were not as common 7 or 8 years ago). A good power supply can usually do 2 or 3A on the standby rail, which should handle at least 6 USB ports fully. A good motherboard should deal with it too. My newer Asus boards have jumpers for each pair of USB ports to select whether that port should use the 5Vsb rail or the regular 5V rail. If you set it for regular, then you can't powerup the system using any device on that port, but you generally only need a couple of ports set up for that. You can of course also use those ports to charge your ipod while the computer is off that way. My laptop even has a BIOS setting to select if the USB port should have power when the system is off or not. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 19:18:59 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:18:59 -0400 Subject: More USB woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100326191859.GI4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 01:04:58PM -0400, Thomas Milne wrote: > Like so many problems in life, this one was solved by throwing a bunch > of money at it. > > I bought this: > > http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=587 > > The WD MyBook World Edition 2TB. It connects to your LAN and > automatically sets up shares that can be accessed by the media browser > on your PS3 or XBox, which is what I was doing before with my > computer, Mediatomb, and my big external drive. > > It has a USB expansion port, so I can plug my old drive into it and > easily copy over all of my files. > > Also, apparently it runs BusyBox, so you can even connect to it by SSH. You didn't solve the problem. You elliminated the problem with a workaround. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 20:18:17 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:18:17 -0400 Subject: More USB woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > Like so many problems in life, this one was solved by throwing a bunch > of money at it. > > I bought this: > > http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=587 > > The WD MyBook World Edition 2TB. It connects to your LAN and > automatically sets up shares that can be accessed by the media browser > on your PS3 or XBox, which is what I was doing before with my > computer, Mediatomb, and my big external drive. > > It has a USB expansion port, so I can plug my old drive into it and > easily copy over all of my files. > > Also, apparently it runs BusyBox, so you can even connect to it by SSH. Worth looking at includes: http://martin.hinner.info/mybook/ http://mybookworld.wikidot.com/optware The latter is quite entertaining; there's quite a strange smorgasbord of optional packages available. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 21:55:15 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:55:15 -0400 Subject: IT360 Show. Message-ID: Just to briefly note, the IT360 computer trade show is coming up April 7th at the Metro Toronto Convention Centre. Registration for the show can be seen here: https://myprereg.com/Registration.aspx?show=98&website=52&Page=INTRO The Toronto Asterisk User Group have arranged for discounts to get into the show, details to be seen here: http://taug.ca/node/306 If you JUST want to see the exhibit floor the above page has a code that will let you get in for free... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Mar 26 21:57:26 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:57:26 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <20100326190617.GG4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100325222035.f34194d0.tleslie@tcn.net> <4BAC1CE6.9020709@dinamis.com> <20100326190617.GG4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4BAD2DC6.9080205@dinamis.com> On 03/26/2010 03:06 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > If 100% of ECS boards failed, they would not be in business anymore, > since no OEM would buy from them. They do have a long history of > unreliable and flacky boards. They may not necesarily die, but they > can be unreliable. I once saw a windows 98 system that frequently > crashed and corrupted the filesystem. Seems simple enough to blame > microsoft for it. Turns out replacing the power supply fixed the > problem. Bad power made the system unstable. So an unreliable > motherboard could do that. I think that's quite a leap to make from "bad power supply" to "unreliable motherboard". You can't be sure that one of your beloved Asus motherboards wouldn't have misbehaved the same way with dirty power. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 27 03:08:50 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:08:50 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <20100326190345.GF4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100326190345.GF4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:40:07AM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Peter King wrote: >> >> [issues with multiple ASUS motherboards snipped] >> >> I basically just buy ASUS motherboards, and over the last 10 years I >> haven't had hardware issues with them. What I did run into a few years >> ago was a BIOS bug that from my point of view rendered a motherboard >> useless... I wanted a small box that I could put in my bedroom to >> serve as a diskless client tied to my "main" MythTV PC. The BIOS bug >> caused the motherboard to present a invalid (read a broadcast) MAC >> address to the network. Okay, so mine was an issue that would not be >> noticed by 99.9% + of the buyers of that motherboard, but it caused me >> grief, and I made very sure ASUS was made well aware of the trouble I >> had. It did take more months than I was happy with, but they did >> release an updated BIOS that did fix this issue... > > That was one of the nvidia chipset bugs that make some people hate > nvidia chipsets. ?Seems every board with nvidia chipsets had that bug. > A few boards eventually fixed it. Did you get caught on the same BIOS bug? If so, on what sort of project(s)? > Certainly when I build a computer, the question is not which brand of > motherboard to use. ?The question is simply which Asus board to use. My first (well, only) new motherboard after the above noted mess was another ASUS . I wasn't happy about the BIOS bug (yes, it may have been due to an nVidia issue, but I hold the motherboard maker responsible for the whole package...). From experience I know that once ASUS hardware is running it will be almost bullet proof... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 27 03:40:11 2010 From: hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Herb Richter) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:40:11 -0400 Subject: [OT?] Android phones Message-ID: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> I am considering buying a smart phone and have been trying to make sense of the offerings and their specs. I do like the Nexus One, now that Google is shipping it into Canada (with some warrantee). The new HTC EVO 4G does have a feature I would like - the ability to act as a mobile hotspot (hosting up to 8 wi-fi devices) I wouldn't need to host 8 but I would want to tether(?) my netbook wirelessly (wi-fi not bluetooth). My question is: Would wi-fi tethering/hosting be hardware dependent or might one be able to install suitable software to have the Nexus phone act as a gateway/router etc? Herb Richter BTW - is there a reason phone handsets with wi-fi never (it seems) have wireless-n (just b/g) ? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 27 04:02:12 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:02:12 -0700 Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1003262100t4f1b7460m431984b5921a2e7a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> <3a97ef1003262100t4f1b7460m431984b5921a2e7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff@mail.gmail.com> I have a motorola milestone which is a droid phone. So far I'm quite fond of it, though I find that the iphone app store seemed a bit more "polished", and I haven't yet found a good VOIP app On 26 Mar 2010 8:39 PM, "Herb Richter" wrote: I am considering buying a smart phone and have been trying to make sense of the offerings and their specs. I do like the Nexus One, now that Google is shipping it into Canada (with some warrantee). The new HTC EVO 4G does have a feature I would like - the ability to act as a mobile hotspot (hosting up to 8 wi-fi devices) I wouldn't need to host 8 but I would want to tether(?) my netbook wirelessly (wi-fi not bluetooth). My question is: Would wi-fi tethering/hosting be hardware dependent or might one be able to install suitable software to have the Nexus phone act as a gateway/router etc? Herb Richter BTW - is there a reason phone handsets with wi-fi never (it seems) have wireless-n (just b/g) ? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It connects to your LAN and >> automatically sets up shares that can be accessed by the media browser >> on your PS3 or XBox, which is what I was doing before with my >> computer, Mediatomb, and my big external drive. >> >> It has a USB expansion port, so I can plug my old drive into it and >> easily copy over all of my files. >> >> Also, apparently it runs BusyBox, so you can even connect to it by SSH. > > You didn't solve the problem. ?You elliminated the problem with a > workaround. :) > Well, you're right about that, I eliminated my ancient computer. Now it all just goes through the router, which is probably almost as powerful as my computer. What you said in the other post about the voltages makes sense, especially when I think about the way the system responded when I connected my USB printer. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 27 11:08:46 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:08:46 -0400 Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> <3a97ef1003262100t4f1b7460m431984b5921a2e7a@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <491f66a51003270408k10d9bb74hc889e68ffe7c8043@mail.gmail.com> Tyler, Have you tried sipdroid ? dave On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I have a motorola milestone which is a droid phone. So far I'm quite fond of > it, though I find that the iphone app store seemed a bit more "polished", > and I haven't yet found a good VOIP app > > On 26 Mar 2010 8:39 PM, "Herb Richter" wrote: > > > I am considering buying a smart phone and have been trying to make sense of > the offerings and their specs. > > I do like the Nexus One, now that Google is shipping it into Canada (with > some warrantee). > > The new HTC EVO 4G does have a > feature I would like - the ability to act as a mobile hotspot (hosting up to > 8 wi-fi devices) > I wouldn't need to host 8 but I would want to tether(?) my netbook > wirelessly (wi-fi not bluetooth). > > My question is: Would wi-fi tethering/hosting be hardware dependent or might > one be able to install suitable software to have the Nexus phone act as a > gateway/router etc? > > Herb Richter > > BTW - is there a reason phone handsets with wi-fi never (it seems) have > wireless-n (just b/g) ? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 27 14:23:34 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:23:34 -0700 Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1003270720v2df23851ld3d3eeb86a5d8b0e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> <3a97ef1003262100t4f1b7460m431984b5921a2e7a@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff@mail.gmail.com> <491f66a51003270408k10d9bb74hc889e68ffe7c8043@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003270720v2df23851ld3d3eeb86a5d8b0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1003270723w58b5528fx9ad0ea4a67ffcb10@mail.gmail.com> yup. The integration is awesome (auto-VOIP if connected ti wifi) but it had weird issues calling certain people where they couldn't hear me or vice-versa... or they'd pick up but my end kept ringing. My voip phone adaptor or isip app on iphone worked fine though, so it seemed an issue with sipdroid. On 27 Mar 2010 4:09 AM, "Dave Cramer" wrote: Tyler, Have you tried sipdroid ? dave On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I have a motorola milest... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The integration is awesome (auto-VOIP if connected ti wifi) but it had > weird issues calling certain people where they couldn't hear me or > vice-versa... or they'd pick up but my end kept ringing. My voip phone > adaptor or isip app on iphone worked fine though, so it seemed an issue with > sipdroid. > > On 27 Mar 2010 4:09 AM, "Dave Cramer" wrote: > > Tyler, > > Have you tried sipdroid ? > > dave > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> I have a motorola milest... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 27 19:03:34 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:03:34 +0200 Subject: Manipulating file dates Message-ID: <1f13df281003271203w1e40d531rd69679123a58835c@mail.gmail.com> I'll shortly be boarding a flight back to Toronto, at which time I'll have about a thousand photos with the wrong time stamp on them (I never remember to reset the camera until about five days have passed). All the photos have a Toronto time stamp on them, when what I need is six hours later. I admit I'm sitting at a Windows computer in a hotel and haven't attempted to research this myself, but I've looked at it in the past and the process was a bit confusing. As I recall, I would need to get the time from the file, convert to seconds since the computer epoch (some time in 1969?, although I think that's immaterial in this context?), add 6*60*60 seconds, then convert back to date format. Looping through the files with touch is no problem, but help with the date manipulation under Bash would be much appreciated. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 27 19:19:08 2010 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Manipulating file dates In-Reply-To: <1f13df281003271203w1e40d531rd69679123a58835c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281003271203w1e40d531rd69679123a58835c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Mar 2010, Giles Orr wrote: > I'll shortly be boarding a flight back to Toronto, at which time I'll > have about a thousand photos with the wrong time stamp on them (I > never remember to reset the camera until about five days have passed). > All the photos have a Toronto time stamp on them, when what I need is > six hours later. I admit I'm sitting at a Windows computer in a hotel > and haven't attempted to research this myself, but I've looked at it > in the past and the process was a bit confusing. As I recall, I would > need to get the time from the file, convert to seconds since the > computer epoch (some time in 1969?, although I think that's immaterial > in this context?), add 6*60*60 seconds, then convert back to date > format. Looping through the files with touch is no problem, but help > with the date manipulation under Bash would be much appreciated. Do you want to change the dates on the file or the date in the file? To change the date in the EXIF header of a jpeg, I use jhead (there are other utilities as well). To change the dates of the files, use touch: touch -d "$(date -r "$file" +"%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S") +6hours" $file -- Chris F.A. Johnson, Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 27 20:01:25 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:01:25 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <20100326190617.GG4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100325222035.f34194d0.tleslie@tcn.net> <4BAC1CE6.9020709@dinamis.com> <20100326190617.GG4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4BAE6415.3060100@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:33:10PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > If 100% of ECS boards failed, they would not be in business anymore, since > no OEM would buy from them. They do have a long history of unreliable and > flacky boards. They may not necesarily die, but they can be unreliable. > I once saw a windows 98 system that frequently crashed and corrupted the > filesystem. Seems simple enough to blame microsoft for it. Turns out > replacing the power supply fixed the problem. Bad power made the system > unstable. So an unreliable motherboard could do that. > > But we can still blame Microsoft. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 27 20:08:53 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:08:53 -0400 Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: <4BAD7E1B.6090501-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> Message-ID: <4BAE65D5.4060405@rogers.com> Herb Richter wrote: > > > BTW - is there a reason phone handsets with wi-fi never (it seems) > have wireless-n (just b/g) ? I can think of 2 possible reasons: 1) N may need more power b) There may not be much of a need for that much bandwidth -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Mar 27 20:10:54 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:10:54 -0400 Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> <3a97ef1003262100t4f1b7460m431984b5921a2e7a@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BAE664E.8080703@rogers.com> Tyler Aviss wrote: > > though I find that the iphone app store seemed a bit more "polished" > Well, what do you expect from Apple? ;-) I find the Nexus One looks interesting too. I had been considering the HTC Magic, but Rogers seems to have dropped it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 28 02:48:57 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 22:48:57 -0400 Subject: google chrome fonts Message-ID: I'm using the latest google chrome unstable for Linux, and lately the fonts have been majorly fuxored. It looks, if I didn't know better, like crappy old Helvetica from the dark ages of 1999. I also am still seeing serif fonts like Times, even though I have set that to display them as sans-serif (all are set to Bitstream Vera Sans 12). I've looked through Options --> Under the Hood --> Change Font and Language Settings, the only thing I can see that I'm not sure about is the Default Encoding, which is set to Western ISO 8859-1. Anyone else seeing this? -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 28 03:24:17 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:24:17 -0700 Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: <4BAE664E.8080703-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> <3a97ef1003262100t4f1b7460m431984b5921a2e7a@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4BAE664E.8080703@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1003272024h7b04b921v85fc55617b2aa0fb@mail.gmail.com> My droid is still pretty awesome though. I just updated to firmware 2.1 and got mt bkuetooth VAD + a bunch of other features On 2010-03-27 1:11 PM, "James Knott" wrote: Tyler Aviss wrote: > > > though I find that the iphone app store seemed a bit more "polished" > Well, what do you expect from Apple? ;-) I find the Nexus One looks interesting too. I had been considering the HTC Magic, but Rogers seems to have dropped it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, N... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 28 03:39:32 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:39:32 -0400 Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: <4BAE664E.8080703-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> <3a97ef1003262100t4f1b7460m431984b5921a2e7a@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4BAE664E.8080703@rogers.com> Message-ID: <601551AD-4AC7-47B9-9E49-876C5F308D0F@gmail.com> On 2010-03-27, at 16:10, James Knott wrote: > Tyler Aviss wrote: >> >> though I find that the iphone app store seemed a bit more "polished" >> > > Well, what do you expect from Apple? ;-) > There's more apps, but many are a wasteland of worthlessness. Apple keeps frying more apps due to not fitting "policy" which regularly gets more self-serving. The Android "Marketplace" is not nearly so controlling, and, except when carriers interfere (cough, cough, AT&T), leaves an express "out" for users to get at third party apps without need for any central control. Sipdroid, for instance, allows data-based telephony which Apple *strongly* rules out. I have played with Apple apps on my iPod - some are quite slick, but lame apps are not rare. One of the Apple "culls" is of the cast of thousands of "menu UIs" of pictures of bikini girls. Not heinous stuff, but it does add to thousands of pretty worthless downloads. (And if you *want* that, the Safari browser can find plenty of such of whatever level of raciness may be desired out on the web.) > I find the Nexus One looks interesting too. I had been considering > the HTC Magic, but Rogers seems to have dropped it. I'm also looking at this with interest. My Palm died (cracked screen, sob!) the other day, so I will likely be on something new soon. The HTC Android phones have quite a lot of third party support for custom firmware - look for CyanogenMod, which is only one example. I worry that Android may be diverging from Linux, but it doesn't much affect application space, and kernel devs are worrying about it, and the problem does not seem intractable. -- Christopher Browne Cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 28 03:50:54 2010 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:50:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: <601551AD-4AC7-47B9-9E49-876C5F308D0F-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> <3a97ef1003262100t4f1b7460m431984b5921a2e7a@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4BAE664E.8080703@rogers.com> <601551AD-4AC7-47B9-9E49-876C5F308D0F@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Mar 2010, Christopher Browne wrote: > I'm also looking at this with interest. My Palm died (cracked > screen, sob!) the other day, so I will likely be on something > new soon. Same thing happened to me, too (sob!). Maybe there should be support groups for people who experiences Palm cracked screen. I am intensely looking at Nokia N900 right now. Seems to be the only phone with Linux OS (not just having Linux kernel fork) out in the market (well, OpenMoko too, but it doesn't seem to make it far in the market). > I worry that Android may be diverging from Linux, but it > doesn't much affect application space, It has already been diverging. They didn't merge nor maintain their code in Linux kernel development, so it was kicked out. And obviously all the application space is entirely different compare to Linux. -- ____ ____ ____ ____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo /___ /___/ /___/ /___ http://www.arifsaha.com/ ____/ / / / ____/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 28 03:59:13 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:59:13 -0700 Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: <601551AD-4AC7-47B9-9E49-876C5F308D0F-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> <3a97ef1003262100t4f1b7460m431984b5921a2e7a@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4BAE664E.8080703@rogers.com> <601551AD-4AC7-47B9-9E49-876C5F308D0F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1003272059g6bdbd55fw430095f879080b84@mail.gmail.com> Actually, I believe the more recent SIP apparently in the app store now work on 3G, iSip does seem to have that option now, though I haven't put my sim in the phone to test. Gonna see if sipdroid or linphone work better now that I've manually upped my miledtone to 2.1 On 2010-03-27 8:40 PM, "Christopher Browne" wrote: On 2010-03-27, at 16:10, James Knott wrote: > Tyler Aviss wrote: >> >> >>... There's more apps, but many are a wasteland of worthlessness. Apple keeps frying more apps due to not fitting "policy" which regularly gets more self-serving. The Android "Marketplace" is not nearly so controlling, and, except when carriers interfere (cough, cough, AT&T), leaves an express "out" for users to get at third party apps without need for any central control. Sipdroid, for instance, allows data-based telephony which Apple *strongly* rules out. I have played with Apple apps on my iPod - some are quite slick, but lame apps are not rare. One of the Apple "culls" is of the cast of thousands of "menu UIs" of pictures of bikini girls. Not heinous stuff, but it does add to thousands of pretty worthless downloads. (And if you *want* that, the Safari browser can find plenty of such of whatever level of raciness may be desired out on the web.) > I find the Nexus One looks interesting too. I had been considering the HTC Magic, but Rogers se... I'm also looking at this with interest. My Palm died (cracked screen, sob!) the other day, so I will likely be on something new soon. The HTC Android phones have quite a lot of third party support for custom firmware - look for CyanogenMod, which is only one example. I worry that Android may be diverging from Linux, but it doesn't much affect application space, and kernel devs are worrying about it, and the problem does not seem intractable. -- Christopher Browne Cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 28 11:35:37 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 07:35:37 -0400 Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: <601551AD-4AC7-47B9-9E49-876C5F308D0F-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> <3a97ef1003262100t4f1b7460m431984b5921a2e7a@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4BAE664E.8080703@rogers.com> <601551AD-4AC7-47B9-9E49-876C5F308D0F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BAF3F09.1010601@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > > I worry that Android may be diverging from Linux, but it doesn't much > affect application space, and kernel devs are worrying about it, and > the problem does not seem intractable. Why is that a problem? While it would be nice if they didn't diverge, it's still open source that has it's /root in Linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 28 11:57:36 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 07:57:36 -0400 Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: <601551AD-4AC7-47B9-9E49-876C5F308D0F-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> <3a97ef1003262100t4f1b7460m431984b5921a2e7a@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4BAE664E.8080703@rogers.com> <601551AD-4AC7-47B9-9E49-876C5F308D0F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <491f66a51003280457k409c3490y48954fed50eaac02@mail.gmail.com> I still see the dream on their site ? Dave On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > > On 2010-03-27, at 16:10, James Knott wrote: > >> Tyler Aviss wrote: >>> >>> though I find that the iphone app store seemed a bit more "polished" >>> >> >> Well, what do you expect from Apple? ;-) >> > > There's more apps, but many are a wasteland of worthlessness. > > Apple keeps frying more apps due to not fitting "policy" which regularly > gets more self-serving. > > The Android "Marketplace" is not nearly so controlling, and, except when > carriers interfere (cough, cough, AT&T), leaves an express "out" for users > to get at third party apps without need for any central control. > > Sipdroid, for instance, allows data-based telephony which Apple *strongly* > rules out. > > I have played with Apple apps on my iPod - some are quite slick, but lame > apps are not rare. ?One of the Apple "culls" is of the cast of thousands of > "menu UIs" of pictures of bikini girls. ?Not heinous stuff, but it does add > to thousands of pretty worthless downloads. ?(And if you *want* that, the > Safari browser can find plenty of such of whatever level of raciness may be > desired out on the web.) > >> I find the Nexus One looks interesting too. ?I had been considering the >> HTC Magic, but Rogers seems to have dropped it. > > I'm also looking at this with interest. ?My Palm died (cracked screen, sob!) > the other day, so I will likely be on something new soon. > > The HTC Android phones have quite a lot of third party support for custom > firmware - look for CyanogenMod, which is only one example. > > I worry that Android may be diverging from Linux, but it doesn't much affect > application space, and kernel devs are worrying about it, and the problem > does not seem intractable. > -- > Christopher Browne > Cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 28 14:14:17 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:14:17 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 19:29, Peter King wrote: > In 2005, I put together a computer with an Asus M2V motherboard. It > ran for three years and, minutes after the expiration of the warranty, > died with a series of cascading bus errors. A long time ago I bought an Asus A7V-something and tried to install both Windows Server and Free BSD on my box. Windows installation would give me "System Halted" with BSOD after almost all steps, and the BSD Kernel wouldn't even boot, with kernel panic. I found a bunch of people with the same problem. Windows 98 would install, but not the Server, and Linux would also run, but not BSD. I gave up on Windows and BSDs and kept my box running Linux (it wouldn't work even after Bios Update... ) WEIRD problem. I can't stand Asus after this one. It was followed by a Gigabyte, could install anything (well, didn't try Windows) -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 28 18:31:49 2010 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:31:49 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: <4BAF3F09.1010601-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> <3a97ef1003262100t4f1b7460m431984b5921a2e7a@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4BAE664E.8080703@rogers.com> <601551AD-4AC7-47B9-9E49-876C5F308D0F@gmail.com> <4BAF3F09.1010601@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Mar 2010, James Knott wrote: > While it would be nice if they didn't diverge, it's still open > source that has it's /root in Linux. True, that's probably the most important thing. Furthermore divergence in kernel space is less an issue anyway. IMHO a more important issue is the original Android's decission to have application stack that entirely different than in Linux OS (i.e. GNU/Linux). That mean that many applications have to be built specifically for Android; therefore the community size of the that application is much smaller than if it can use common Linux application. -- ____ ____ ____ ____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo /___ /___/ /___/ /___ http://www.arifsaha.com/ ____/ / / / ____/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 28 18:54:31 2010 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:54:31 -0400 Subject: [OT]: More on the Canadian Spaceport front (Was: How to help a Canadian Spaceport?) Message-ID: <99a6c38f1003281154x1a754cf8xe8fec2e8a91321af@mail.gmail.com> I came across a story in the Sun today which reminded me of the conversation we had on-list a couple years ago... "Cape Breton may become a Canadian version of Florida?s historic Cape Canaveral where astronauts and rockets have been launched into outer space for decades. The Canadian Space Agency is looking at the Nova Scotia island as one of two possible sites to blast small satellites into orbit using an indigenous rocket launch system. The other possible micro-satellite launch site is Fort Churchill in Manitoba, near Hudson Bay, where hundreds of small research rockets have been launched in the past." For those who were/are interested, this latest story can be found at: The focus no longer appears to be on tourism although it is mentioned in the article. Monitoring Arctic sovereignty is also listed as a potential reason for having a spaceport. Cheers, - Scott. PS - Some context from the ~2.5 year old conversation: On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 5:41 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > --- Lennart Sorensen > wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 05:35:01PM +0000, >> Christopher Browne wrote: >> > Let me take a contrary view on this, and not from >> the perspective of >> > "oh, I don't want any space stuff happening"... >> >> Ehm, last I checked Canada was pretty far north, and >> not very close to >> an optimal launch point for anything going into >> space. ?No point making >> space ports here. > > Yes and no. Putting a spacecraft launch centre in Nova > Scotia makes about as much sense as putting one in > Alaska, which has been done: > > ? www.akaerospace.com > > Painfully broadly speaking there are two kinds of > orbits, equatorial and polar. Equatorial orbits are > the vast bulk of space launches as you can pick up > "free" energy from Earth's rotation. Further there are > a number of very interesting equatorial orbits, like > geostationary orbit (used by the big TV satellites). > > Problem is there are some situations where you want > one spacecraft to be able to see everything from North > Pole to South Pole. Into this class you find some > surveillance (both earth resources and military spy) > spacecraft. You also find some specialized > communications spacecraft in polar orbit (the Iridium > phone system being an example). > > For a polar launch facility you want LOTS of water to > the south (so that when something goes wrong, the > chances of hitting people or valuable property is VERY > low). In addition you want good nearby port facilities > and/or good rail and/or good road connections to the > rest of the world as you bring in tons of hardware. > > So, could Nova Scotia make a decent polar launch > facility? Maybe, you could clearly do a lot worse. > Nova Scotia would likely be a better location than say > Vandenberg Air Force Base in California, which is > where most US polar launches happen. But what concerns > me here is the article is talking about doing space > tourism, which is something that can be done cheaper > into a equatorial orbit (an area Nova Scotia falls > down on). > > Further there is a clear, proven, modest market for > polar launches as governments / industry attempt to > make or save money off better communications, and/or > better Earth observations. What isn't proven is a way > to make cash from space tourism. Further, unlike say > government money that was used in the 19th century for > railway building there doesn't seem to be a big useful > infrastructure that will be reusable even if the main > venture dies. So, we are talking an expensive, high > risk, unproven market where it appears the government > assumes most risk and a private firm will get the > benefits if by some miracle it all works... > > In other words I like space flight, I would love to > see a Canadian spaceport, BUT I want to see a solid > business case for such an effort. Unless there is a > very compelling national defense case or a VERY clear > road to profits I want very little if any government > cash in the mix.... > > Colin McGregor > >> > Why should the Federal Government spend a lot of >> money to subsidize tourists? >> > >> > If they cannot or will not pay enough to attract >> the infrastructure, >> > why should the government take on the risk? >> > >> > This would expressly be a case of "corporate >> welfare," of subsidizing >> > a specific set of companies, and not for any value >> I can really see. >> > >> > When I lived in the US, I did see some of this >> sort of thing happening >> > in the sports industry, where professional teams >> have gotten into the >> > habit of moving to whichever city offers to spend >> the most on giving >> > them a "free" stadium. ?It was (and is) a corrupt >> practice. ?The >> > cities would then pass on the cost by imposing >> surtaxes on hotels and >> > rental cars, and the fact that this would be paid >> almost exclusively >> > by non-voters made the practice palatable to city >> councils and their >> > voters. >> > >> > To be consistent with that practice, we might set >> up a "Canadian Space >> > Tourism Program" where all foreigners visiting the >> country would be >> > charged $10/day during their visit to help >> subsidize our space >> > program. >> > >> > Better still: ?Impose an extra 1% GST on all >> foreigners in the >> > country. ?They don't vote, so they can't >> meaningfully oppose it. >> >> And the government would spend twice that much just >> to administrate the >> GST difference (never mind what it would cost the >> poor stores to deal >> with the crap). ?We could stop letting tourists get >> GST/PST refunds when >> they leave. ?That might actually make money and save >> money since you >> wouldn't have to administrate that silly system >> anymore. :) >> >> > It's all just a way of making it work... >> >> -- >> Len Sorensen -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ @psema4 Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 28 19:15:33 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:15:33 -0400 Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> <3a97ef1003262100t4f1b7460m431984b5921a2e7a@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4BAE664E.8080703@rogers.com> <601551AD-4AC7-47B9-9E49-876C5F308D0F@gmail.com> <4BAF3F09.1010601@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 2:31 PM, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > On Sun, 28 Mar 2010, James Knott wrote: >> >> While it would be nice if they didn't diverge, it's still open source that >> has it's /root in Linux. > > True, that's probably the most important thing. Furthermore divergence in > kernel space is less an issue anyway. I suppose. It won't affect userspace so much; adverse effects would be on those trying to establish hardware compatibility between new sorts of hardware and the platform. > IMHO a more important issue is the > original Android's decission to have application stack that entirely > different than in Linux OS (i.e. GNU/Linux). That mean that many > applications have to be built specifically for Android; therefore the > community size of the that application is much smaller than if it can use > common Linux application. The size of community may be small now; if the stack gets used more and more for mobile phones, the population increases, and "iPad-like" devices would add further still to the population. What a "common Linux system" means is a mighty elusive thing; in the 'embedded/mobile world' there are four answers that I don't imagine are what you have in mind: 1. Android would be one, for sure 2. BusyBox, and very little more, which is what you frequently see on storage devices 3. Maemo (the Nokia platform, using some bits of GNU, originally with Python+GTk, later biasing to Qt), 4. Moblin+Maemo is in the process of begetting Meego. None of these represent places where I'd expect that what you'd call "Common Linux apps" would necessarily run trivially. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teecee-3xpccZqdWRo7lZ9V/NTDHw at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 28 19:41:28 2010 From: teecee-3xpccZqdWRo7lZ9V/NTDHw at public.gmane.org (TeeCee) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:41:28 -0400 Subject: Help with plug and play - USB Webcam conflicts with Tv Tuner Message-ID: <8CC9CC5CB0D7F67-868-9029@web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com> HI, I'm helping a friend with configuring an Ubuntu install. The default kernel has taken care of most things. His Brother Multifunction Printer/Scanner was supported on the web, the MSI TV tuner card worked from the get go. This card was 5 years old and had a dongle to connect to a sound card. It was not needed, I got sound by piping tvtime through arecord and aplay. Even the IR remote works, to an extent, apparently without lirc installed. The problem is, now my friend has purchased a web cam. Plugging the cam into a running computer, it is found as /dev/video1, and it does not conflict with the MSI device. However, rebooting with the camera attached causes problems. Tvtime has assigned its video input to camera1 and you cannot change it with the app. Nor can you close tvtimes terminal, even if I run it from a tty ctrl-c kills itself but leaves the tvtime window. I guess my question is how can I bind this web cam to /dev/video1, assuming I'm leaving the camera plugged in all the time? Thanks in advance for any help. TC -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Mar 28 22:13:41 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:13:41 -0400 Subject: Help with plug and play - USB Webcam conflicts with Tv Tuner In-Reply-To: <8CC9CC5CB0D7F67-868-9029-uLXz1gKW/XUK0J0rB8w4ZrgMRKj5Rqyl0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org> References: <8CC9CC5CB0D7F67-868-9029@web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4BAFD495.9020408@ve3syb.ca> TeeCee wrote: > The problem is, now my friend has purchased a web cam. Plugging the cam > into a running computer, it is > found as /dev/video1, and it does not conflict with the MSI device. > However, rebooting with the camera attached > causes problems. I had a similar problem with my PVR-150 tuner card and the web cam. One device would come up as video0 and the other as video1 but it was a coin toss as to which device node each of the hardware devices would get. If they came up in the wrong order, MythTV couldn't access the tuner card. My camera is always attached even though I don't tend to use it. It just saves me from having to crawl around on the floor so I can access the back of the machine to plug-in the web cam. I solved the problem by blacklisting the ivtv module (the one needed by the video card) so the webcam driver would always be loaded first. The ivtv drivers get loaded automatically when the MythTV back-end starts. The webcam and TV tuner card are now living in harmony with each other. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 29 11:39:35 2010 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 07:39:35 -0400 Subject: Help with plug and play - USB Webcam conflicts with Tv Tuner In-Reply-To: <8CC9CC5CB0D7F67-868-9029-uLXz1gKW/XUK0J0rB8w4ZrgMRKj5Rqyl0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>; from teecee-3xpccZqdWRo7lZ9V/NTDHw@public.gmane.org on Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 15:41:28 -0400 References: <8CC9CC5CB0D7F67-868-9029@web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100329113935.GA1361@localhost> On Sun Mar 28,2010 03:41:28 PM TeeCee wrote: > I guess my question is how can I bind this web cam to /dev/video1, > assuming I'm leaving the camera plugged in all the time? I think the proper way is to add your own local udev rules for these devices, probably in /etc/udev/rules.d/ Although I'm familiar with the concepts, most of my changes in this area have involved cutting an pasting examples, so I can't be specific. "man udev" and a Web search for "udev rules" would probably prove helpful. -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rfkennedy-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 29 14:15:00 2010 From: rfkennedy-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Robert F. Kennedy) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:15:00 -0400 Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> <3a97ef1003262100t4f1b7460m431984b5921a2e7a@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4BAE664E.8080703@rogers.com> <601551AD-4AC7-47B9-9E49-876C5F308D0F@gmail.com> <4BAF3F09.1010601@rogers.com> Message-ID: <7b85931d1003290715n20994873n74828fec3e9855a9@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I'm an iphone user and use a quite expensive app in my ongoing effort to learn Chinese called PlecoDict. There really is no competition in this space for them. Michael Love the developer regularly sends out updates on where things are going. Here is what he had to say about why he wasn't going to develop on the Android platform. *************************** 8. Android I've gotten quite a few emails lately asking about a version of Pleco for the Google Android OS that's used on phones like the Nexus One and the Motorola Droid, so I wanted to provide some clarification on that too. While we know Android is getting to be quite popular, at the moment we're not prepared to commit to ever developing an Android version of Pleco, and here's why. The big problem with Android for us is that it's an open-source operating system; this means that the mobile phone manufacturers and cellular carriers that use it can essentially modify it however they see fit, without any restrictions from Google or anybody else. They don't need to pay Google any license fees, in fact they can even replace Google as the default search engine if they so choose. That might seem like a fine and lovely thing, but the problem with it from a software development perspective is that without a central authority, there's nobody in a position to make sure that every Android-based phone is compatible with all Android software; indeed, compatibility issues have already started to appear on some Android phone models. Adding new features to the operating system is a great way for mobile phone manufacturers to differentiate their phones from those of their competitors, so many of them have eagerly done so with Android, even to the detriment of software compatibility. Android's open-source nature also means that, somewhat ironically, manufacturers and cellular carriers can impose whatever restrictions they want on their Android-based phones without anyone stopping them. Android is often touted for its openness, the fact that unlike iPhone, Android phones can run applications even if they haven't been "approved" by the manufacturer, but on some newer Android phones (e.g. the Motorola Backflip) that's no longer the case; apps for those phones have to be submitted to Google or the phone manufacturer before release, and can be approved or rejected just as on iPhone. So we're very worried that in another year or two there'll no longer be one "Android" we can develop for - there could be half a dozen or more Android-based OSes that we have to individually develop / optimize our software for, and multiple application stores to deal with every time we release an update. Which could mean that instead of continuing to improve our software and add new features, we'd be spending all of our time simply making sure that our software works correctly on the latest Android phones. For some types of software, this might be OK - games, for example, generally rack up most of their sales in the first few months after they're released, so a developer can release an Android game and not really have to worry about whether it'll still work correctly on the newest Android phones a year down the line. And server-based applications like Twitter and Facebook are usually simple enough that they can be kept up-to-date with relatively little work. But Pleco sells very complicated, expensive, specialized software, and it usually takes us at least a year to add support for a new operating system, so we need a level of stability / consistency that we don't think we're likely to get with Android. Now of course this could change - Google could come up with some clever new licensing / incentive system to keep all of the various Android phone manufacturers in line, or the fragmentation problem could turn out to be less severe than we fear - but we'll need to see a lot of evidence that that's happening before we can consider developing an Android version. So even if we do eventually decide to do one, I think it's unlikely we'd begin working on it until sometime in 2011, which means it probably wouldn't be out until 2012. We are certainly aware of the need to offer *some* alternative to iPhone; I've never quite understood why so many people hate Apple (it's not like Microsoft is any better), but they do, and anyway it's not very good business to be dependent on just one platform for all / most of your sales. We're just not sure if Android is the right choice for that alternative; along with Windows Phone 7, the new Nokia Symbian^4 due out around the same time seems like it has a lot of potential (and, like Windows, would be easier to develop for than Android), and a mobile web-based version of Pleco has a great deal to recommend it too. Best, Robert On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 2:31 PM, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo > wrote: >> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010, James Knott wrote: >>> >>> While it would be nice if they didn't diverge, it's still open source that >>> has it's /root in Linux. >> >> True, that's probably the most important thing. Furthermore divergence in >> kernel space is less an issue anyway. > > I suppose. ?It won't affect userspace so much; adverse effects would > be on those trying to establish hardware compatibility between new > sorts of hardware and the platform. > >> IMHO a more important issue is the >> original Android's decission to have application stack that entirely >> different than in Linux OS (i.e. GNU/Linux). That mean that many >> applications have to be built specifically for Android; therefore the >> community size of the that application is much smaller than if it can use >> common Linux application. > > The size of community may be small now; if the stack gets used more > and more for mobile phones, the population increases, and "iPad-like" > devices would add further still to the population. > > What a "common Linux system" means is a mighty elusive thing; in the > 'embedded/mobile world' there are four answers that I don't imagine > are what you have in mind: > > 1. ?Android would be one, for sure > > 2. ?BusyBox, and very little more, which is what you frequently see on > storage devices > > 3. ?Maemo (the Nokia platform, using some bits of GNU, originally with > Python+GTk, later biasing to Qt), > > 4. ?Moblin+Maemo is in the process of begetting Meego. > > None of these represent places where I'd expect that what you'd call > "Common Linux apps" would necessarily run trivially. > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Robert F. Kennedy Handyman Services c. 647-367-3145 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 29 14:25:00 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:25:00 -0400 Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: <7b85931d1003290715n20994873n74828fec3e9855a9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> <3a97ef1003262100t4f1b7460m431984b5921a2e7a@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4BAE664E.8080703@rogers.com> <601551AD-4AC7-47B9-9E49-876C5F308D0F@gmail.com> <4BAF3F09.1010601@rogers.com> <7b85931d1003290715n20994873n74828fec3e9855a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <491f66a51003290725h9a30e52kca16de3e2db2ea13@mail.gmail.com> Of course on the flip side of the coin Apple can arbitrarily remove your app from the appstore, or simply create their own competing app if they like yours enough. Software is tough ... Dave On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Robert F. Kennedy wrote: > Hi, > > I'm an iphone user and use a quite expensive app in my ongoing effort > to learn Chinese called PlecoDict. There really is no competition in > this space for them. Michael Love the developer regularly sends out > updates on where things are going. Here is what he had to say about > why he wasn't going to develop on the Android platform. > > *************************** > > 8. Android > > I've gotten quite a few emails lately asking about a version of Pleco > for the Google Android OS that's used on phones like the Nexus One and > the Motorola Droid, so I wanted to provide some clarification on that > too. While we know Android is getting to be quite popular, at the > moment we're not prepared to commit to ever developing an Android > version of Pleco, and here's why. > > The big problem with Android for us is that it's an open-source > operating system; this means that the mobile phone manufacturers and > cellular carriers that use it can essentially modify it however they > see fit, without any restrictions from Google or anybody else. They > don't need to pay Google any license fees, in fact they can even > replace Google as the default search engine if they so choose. > > That might seem like a fine and lovely thing, but the problem with it > from a software development perspective is that without a central > authority, there's nobody in a position to make sure that every > Android-based phone is compatible with all Android software; indeed, > compatibility issues have already started to appear on some Android > phone models. Adding new features to the operating system is a great > way for mobile phone manufacturers to differentiate their phones from > those of their competitors, so many of them have eagerly done so with > Android, even to the detriment of software compatibility. > > Android's open-source nature also means that, somewhat ironically, > manufacturers and cellular carriers can impose whatever restrictions > they want on their Android-based phones without anyone stopping them. > Android is often touted for its openness, the fact that unlike iPhone, > Android phones can run applications even if they haven't been > "approved" by the manufacturer, but on some newer Android phones (e.g. > the Motorola Backflip) that's no longer the case; apps for those > phones have to be submitted to Google or the phone manufacturer before > release, and can be approved or rejected just as on iPhone. > > So we're very worried that in another year or two there'll no longer > be one "Android" we can develop for - there could be half a dozen or > more Android-based OSes that we have to individually develop / > optimize our software for, and multiple application stores to deal > with every time we release an update. Which could mean that instead of > continuing to improve our software and add new features, we'd be > spending all of our time simply making sure that our software works > correctly on the latest Android phones. > > For some types of software, this might be OK - games, for example, > generally rack up most of their sales in the first few months after > they're released, so a developer can release an Android game and not > really have to worry about whether it'll still work correctly on the > newest Android phones a year down the line. And server-based > applications like Twitter and Facebook are usually simple enough that > they can be kept up-to-date with relatively little work. But Pleco > sells very complicated, expensive, specialized software, and it > usually takes us at least a year to add support for a new operating > system, so we need a level of stability / consistency that we don't > think we're likely to get with Android. > > Now of course this could change - Google could come up with some > clever new licensing / incentive system to keep all of the various > Android phone manufacturers in line, or the fragmentation problem > could turn out to be less severe than we fear - but we'll need to see > a lot of evidence that that's happening before we can consider > developing an Android version. So even if we do eventually decide to > do one, I think it's unlikely we'd begin working on it until sometime > in 2011, which means it probably wouldn't be out until 2012. > > We are certainly aware of the need to offer *some* alternative to > iPhone; I've never quite understood why so many people hate Apple > (it's not like Microsoft is any better), but they do, and anyway it's > not very good business to be dependent on just one platform for all / > most of your sales. We're just not sure if Android is the right choice > for that alternative; along with Windows Phone 7, the new Nokia > Symbian^4 due out around the same time seems like it has a lot of > potential (and, like Windows, would be easier to develop for than > Android), and a mobile web-based version of Pleco has a great deal to > recommend it too. > > Best, > Robert > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 2:31 PM, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo >> wrote: >>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010, James Knott wrote: >>>> >>>> While it would be nice if they didn't diverge, it's still open source that >>>> has it's /root in Linux. >>> >>> True, that's probably the most important thing. Furthermore divergence in >>> kernel space is less an issue anyway. >> >> I suppose. ?It won't affect userspace so much; adverse effects would >> be on those trying to establish hardware compatibility between new >> sorts of hardware and the platform. >> >>> IMHO a more important issue is the >>> original Android's decission to have application stack that entirely >>> different than in Linux OS (i.e. GNU/Linux). That mean that many >>> applications have to be built specifically for Android; therefore the >>> community size of the that application is much smaller than if it can use >>> common Linux application. >> >> The size of community may be small now; if the stack gets used more >> and more for mobile phones, the population increases, and "iPad-like" >> devices would add further still to the population. >> >> What a "common Linux system" means is a mighty elusive thing; in the >> 'embedded/mobile world' there are four answers that I don't imagine >> are what you have in mind: >> >> 1. ?Android would be one, for sure >> >> 2. ?BusyBox, and very little more, which is what you frequently see on >> storage devices >> >> 3. ?Maemo (the Nokia platform, using some bits of GNU, originally with >> Python+GTk, later biasing to Qt), >> >> 4. ?Moblin+Maemo is in the process of begetting Meego. >> >> None of these represent places where I'd expect that what you'd call >> "Common Linux apps" would necessarily run trivially. >> -- >> http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > Robert F. Kennedy > Handyman Services > c. 647-367-3145 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 29 14:52:35 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: <7b85931d1003290715n20994873n74828fec3e9855a9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> <3a97ef1003262100t4f1b7460m431984b5921a2e7a@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4BAE664E.8080703@rogers.com> <601551AD-4AC7-47B9-9E49-876C5F308D0F@gmail.com> <4BAF3F09.1010601@rogers.com> <7b85931d1003290715n20994873n74828fec3e9855a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This complaint seems a like an excuse, not a reason. It's not as if the Windows Mobile market hasn't fragmented and the PalmOS market hasn't fragmented, both of which they support. Both have been replaced by successors and the original version is dying so sales of the original version have a limited horizon. It is true that Android is open to the customer, but that the customer (perhaps non-intuitively) is the telecom company, not the end user. That is something that I don't like about Android. But the other supported platforms are not even that open. They don't even mention supporting the BlackBerry. In terms of units in the field, I think that the BlackBerry is ahead of the iPhone. It certainly beats the hell out of Android, Windows Mobile and PalmOS. Perhaps they mention BlackBerry in some other message. For a specialized product like this, market share may not be the best measure of the potential market. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 29 15:20:38 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: interesting discontinued netbook LG x120-N In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Christopher Browne | Possible suggestion: there's a pretty useful repository of info on | support for laptops here; they offer a web interface for adding to the | "database." Might be nice to have an entry there describing your | experience. | | http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/entry.html | http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/other.html Unfortunately, they expect the submitter to host the page. Odd. I don't have a web site and I'm not going to make arrangements just to do that. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 29 15:45:15 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:45:15 -0400 Subject: burning files from samba share Message-ID: Now that all of my media is on the network, I'm curious about burning those files to a DVD sometimes for sharing. When I try to burn from a Samba share, I get an error that it is not supported. This is using the Nautilus utility for burning discs. Is there a better tool for this, or a method someone can point me to for this? I know it might be kinda slow, but it seems like my only option. Thanks! -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 29 15:56:42 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:56:42 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: References: <20100326190345.GF4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100329155642.GJ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:08:50PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > Did you get caught on the same BIOS bug? If so, on what sort of project(s)? For some reason nvidia stores the mac address backwards on many of their ethernet chips, and the driver has to read it, reverse it and put it back in the chip. Of course it's tricky to know if some other driver already did. > My first (well, only) new motherboard after the above noted mess was > another ASUS . I wasn't happy about the BIOS bug (yes, it may have > been due to an nVidia issue, but I hold the motherboard maker > responsible for the whole package...). From experience I know that > once ASUS hardware is running it will be almost bullet proof... That is certainly true. I just found the original box from my 486 board yesterday. Still have it. I was amused to see it it says "Made in Taiwan R.O.C." on it. Later items say "Made in Taiwan", or of course these days "Made in China". Nowhere does it actually say Asus. Just a model number and "Main Board for 486". At least they did fix the problem. I wonder how many companies would just have decided the small number of people that netboot were too small to bother fixing. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 29 15:58:40 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:58:40 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <4BAD2DC6.9080205-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100325222035.f34194d0.tleslie@tcn.net> <4BAC1CE6.9020709@dinamis.com> <20100326190617.GG4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4BAD2DC6.9080205@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20100329155840.GK4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 05:57:26PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 03/26/2010 03:06 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> If 100% of ECS boards failed, they would not be in business anymore, >> since no OEM would buy from them. They do have a long history of >> unreliable and flacky boards. They may not necesarily die, but they >> can be unreliable. I once saw a windows 98 system that frequently >> crashed and corrupted the filesystem. Seems simple enough to blame >> microsoft for it. Turns out replacing the power supply fixed the >> problem. Bad power made the system unstable. So an unreliable >> motherboard could do that. > > I think that's quite a leap to make from "bad power supply" to > "unreliable motherboard". You can't be sure that one of your beloved > Asus motherboards wouldn't have misbehaved the same way with dirty power. The misbehaving win98 box was in fact an Asus P5A. My point was a bad power supply can make anything unstable. You don't want any piece of unreliable hardware in a system, whether it be motherboard or power supply or ram. The whole system is only as good as the worst component in it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 29 16:02:56 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:02:56 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100329160256.GL4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:14:17AM -0400, Renata Rocha wrote: > A long time ago I bought an Asus A7V-something and tried to install > both Windows Server and Free BSD on my box. > > Windows installation would give me "System Halted" with BSOD after > almost all steps, and the BSD Kernel wouldn't even boot, with kernel > panic. > > I found a bunch of people with the same problem. Windows 98 would > install, but not the Server, and Linux would also run, but not BSD. I had a similar problem installing win95 around that time. Turns out microsoft had an IDE driver bug that meant it could not initialize reliably on CPUs over 450MHz. I had to drop the CPU speed to 300MHz, install, then apply a patch, then put the CPU speed back to normal. Very likely windows server could have had the same bug back then. Of course it could have been another problem too. Some people had no end of issues with the Via chipsets then (I had a perfectly fine A7V board though, until a powersupply exploded and unfortunately took out the board too a few months ago). > I gave up on Windows and BSDs and kept my box running Linux (it > wouldn't work even after Bios Update... ) > > WEIRD problem. I can't stand Asus after this one. It was followed by a > Gigabyte, could install anything (well, didn't try Windows) But what chipset? That might have made a lot more difference to installing things than who made the board. -- Len Sroensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 29 16:10:36 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:10:36 -0400 Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: <4BAD7E1B.6090501-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> Message-ID: <20100329161036.GM4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:40:11PM -0400, Herb Richter wrote: > I am considering buying a smart phone and have been trying to make sense > of the offerings and their specs. > > I do like the Nexus One, now that Google is shipping it into Canada > (with some warrantee). > > The new HTC EVO 4G does have a > feature I would like - the ability to act as a mobile hotspot (hosting > up to 8 wi-fi devices) > > I wouldn't need to host 8 but I would want to tether(?) my netbook > wirelessly (wi-fi not bluetooth). > > My question is: Would wi-fi tethering/hosting be hardware dependent or > might one be able to install suitable software to have the Nexus phone > act as a gateway/router etc? > > Herb Richter > > BTW - is there a reason phone handsets with wi-fi never (it seems) have > wireless-n (just b/g) ? Much cheaper wifi chip, and probably a lot less power required to run it. Personally I am very torn on the Android phones. I was rather interested in them until recently. Google simply declaring they were going to fork from the main linux tree and not even try to get their changes in has really turned me off the android entirely. To me the requirements for getting code accepted are very reasonable. The code has to fit coding style, be maintainable and such. That's not a lot to ask. Apparently google wants to control everything themselves and don't want to hear that some of their design choices should be cleaned up. Every other piece of linux kernel code I have ever dealt with that wasn't trying to get merged was a pile of shit. So now I expect android to turn into a pile of shit (assuming it isn't already which may very likely be the case given it isn't already anywhere near mergeable). So well, now I don't want one. If I can't have a Linux based phone that actually runs linux with a chance of using a mainline kernel some day, then I am not interested. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 29 16:15:50 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:15:50 -0400 Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: <4BAF3F09.1010601-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> <3a97ef1003262100t4f1b7460m431984b5921a2e7a@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4BAE664E.8080703@rogers.com> <601551AD-4AC7-47B9-9E49-876C5F308D0F@gmail.com> <4BAF3F09.1010601@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100329161550.GN4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 07:35:37AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Christopher Browne wrote: >> >> I worry that Android may be diverging from Linux, but it doesn't much >> affect application space, and kernel devs are worrying about it, and >> the problem does not seem intractable. > Why is that a problem? While it would be nice if they didn't diverge, > it's still open source that has it's /root in Linux. Android has lots a huge amount of kernel development resources by going their own way. Also the fact their code wasn't getting merged is a bad sign for their coding style and development practices. Having to port features from one to the other if you want something is a waste of time for something that shouldn't have had to be done. Google has done something extremely stupid here. I for one will NOT be supporting them in it in any way. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teecee-3xpccZqdWRo7lZ9V/NTDHw at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 29 16:20:24 2010 From: teecee-3xpccZqdWRo7lZ9V/NTDHw at public.gmane.org (TeeCee) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:20:24 -0400 Subject: Help with plug and play - USB Webcam conflicts with Tv Tuner In-Reply-To: <8CC9CC5CB0D7F67-868-9029-uLXz1gKW/XUK0J0rB8w4ZrgMRKj5Rqyl0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org> References: <8CC9CC5CB0D7F67-868-9029@web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC9D72DF252BA0-1120-1789@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> Hi, thanks for responding to this thread. I tried blacklisting the saa7134 but then tvtime can't start the module on its own. Without the webcam installed I use this to start tvtime with sound. tvtime | arecord -D hw:1,0 -r 32000 -c 2 -f S16_LE | aplay However if I keep the cam in and use -d to set the device to video1 tvtime -d /dev/video1 | arecord -D hw:1,0 -r 32000 -c 2 -f S16_LE | aplay I get tuner output with this terminal message Recording WAVE 'stdin' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 32000 Hz, Stereo arecord: set_params:984: Channels count non available Running tvtime 1.0.2. Reading configuration from /etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml Reading configuration from /home/tomcee/.tvtime/tvtime.xml aplay: playback:2297: read error I also tried using -F to load a config file with device=/dev/video1 No luck. Can anyone tell me what's wrong with the syntax of the command. At this point leaving the cam at /dev/video0 and the tuner at /dev/video1, I'm back where I started with no sound output from the tuner card. Thanks for your help. TC -----Original Message----- From: TeeCee To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:41 pm Subject: [TLUG]: Help with plug and play - USB Webcam conflicts with Tv Tuner HI, I'm helping a friend with configuring an Ubuntu install. The default kernel has taken care of most things.? His Brother Multifunction Printer/Scanner was supported on the web, the MSI TV tuner card worked from the? get go. This card was 5 years old and had a dongle to connect to a sound card. It was not needed, I got? sound by piping tvtime through arecord and aplay. Even the IR remote works, to an extent, apparently? without lirc installed.? ? The problem is, now my friend has purchased a web cam. Plugging the cam into a running computer, it is? found as /dev/video1, and it does not conflict with the MSI device. However, rebooting with the camera attached? causes problems. Tvtime has assigned its video input to camera1 and you cannot change it with the app. Nor? can you close tvtimes terminal, even if I run it from a tty ctrl-c kills itself but leaves the tvtime window.? ? I guess my question is how can I bind this web cam to /dev/video1, assuming I'm leaving the camera plugged? in all the time?? ? Thanks in advance for any help.? ? TC? ? ? ? ?--? The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/? TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns? How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 29 16:28:03 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:28:03 -0400 Subject: Help with plug and play - USB Webcam conflicts with Tv Tuner In-Reply-To: <8CC9CC5CB0D7F67-868-9029-uLXz1gKW/XUK0J0rB8w4ZrgMRKj5Rqyl0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org> References: <8CC9CC5CB0D7F67-868-9029@web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20100329162803.GO4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 03:41:28PM -0400, TeeCee wrote: > HI, I'm helping a friend with configuring an Ubuntu install. The default > kernel has taken care of most things. > His Brother Multifunction Printer/Scanner was supported on the web, the > MSI TV tuner card worked from the > get go. This card was 5 years old and had a dongle to connect to a sound > card. It was not needed, I got > sound by piping tvtime through arecord and aplay. Even the IR remote > works, to an extent, apparently > without lirc installed. > > The problem is, now my friend has purchased a web cam. Plugging the cam > into a running computer, it is > found as /dev/video1, and it does not conflict with the MSI device. > However, rebooting with the camera attached > causes problems. Tvtime has assigned its video input to camera1 and you > cannot change it with the app. Nor > can you close tvtimes terminal, even if I run it from a tty ctrl-c kills > itself but leaves the tvtime window. > > I guess my question is how can I bind this web cam to /dev/video1, > assuming I'm leaving the camera plugged > in all the time? > > Thanks in advance for any help. Well one option is to use the alternate devices instead. For example my VPR-500 shows up as: /dev/v4l/by-path/pci-0000:06:08.0-video-index[0123] which then symlinks to whatever the current /dev/video* devices happen to be. The second tuner on the card is: /dev/v4l/by-path/pci-0000:06:09.0-video-index[0123] The usb would be something similar byt the path would probably say usb. So my current setup shows: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Mar 28 16:32 /dev/v4l/by-path/pci-0000:06:08.0-video-index0 -> ../../video0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Mar 28 16:32 /dev/v4l/by-path/pci-0000:06:08.0-video-index1 -> ../../video32 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Mar 28 16:32 /dev/v4l/by-path/pci-0000:06:08.0-video-index2 -> ../../vbi0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Mar 28 16:32 /dev/v4l/by-path/pci-0000:06:08.0-video-index3 -> ../../video24 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Mar 28 16:32 /dev/v4l/by-path/pci-0000:06:09.0-video-index0 -> ../../video1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Mar 28 16:32 /dev/v4l/by-path/pci-0000:06:09.0-video-index1 -> ../../video33 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Mar 28 16:32 /dev/v4l/by-path/pci-0000:06:09.0-video-index2 -> ../../vbi1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Mar 28 16:32 /dev/v4l/by-path/pci-0000:06:09.0-video-index3 -> ../../video25 I don't currently have a webcam connected to the machine though. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 29 16:30:19 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:30:19 -0400 Subject: [OT]: More on the Canadian Spaceport front (Was: How to help a Canadian Spaceport?) In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f1003281154x1a754cf8xe8fec2e8a91321af-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f1003281154x1a754cf8xe8fec2e8a91321af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100329163019.GP4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 02:54:31PM -0400, Scott Elcomb wrote: > I came across a story in the Sun today which reminded me of the > conversation we had on-list a couple years ago... > > "Cape Breton may become a Canadian version of Florida?s historic Cape > Canaveral where astronauts and rockets have been launched into outer > space for decades. > > The Canadian Space Agency is looking at the Nova Scotia island as one > of two possible sites to blast small satellites into orbit using an > indigenous rocket launch system. > > The other possible micro-satellite launch site is Fort Churchill in > Manitoba, near Hudson Bay, where hundreds of small research rockets > have been launched in the past." > > For those who were/are interested, this latest story can be found at: > > > The focus no longer appears to be on tourism although it is mentioned > in the article. Monitoring Arctic sovereignty is also listed as a > potential reason for having a spaceport. > > Cheers, > - Scott. > > PS - Some context from the ~2.5 year old conversation: I guess the location is fine for sending up satelites that are supposed to do polar orbits. It would be an awful location for launching geostationary stuff from, not that those are any good at monitoring Canada. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 29 16:33:28 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:33:28 -0400 Subject: [OT]: More on the Canadian Spaceport front (Was: How to help a Canadian Spaceport?) In-Reply-To: <20100329163019.GP4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f1003281154x1a754cf8xe8fec2e8a91321af@mail.gmail.com> <20100329163019.GP4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4BB0D658.1010707@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 02:54:31PM -0400, Scott Elcomb wrote: > >> I came across a story in the Sun today which reminded me of the >> conversation we had on-list a couple years ago... >> >> "Cape Breton may become a Canadian version of Florida?s historic Cape >> Canaveral where astronauts and rockets have been launched into outer >> space for decades. >> >> The Canadian Space Agency is looking at the Nova Scotia island as one >> of two possible sites to blast small satellites into orbit using an >> indigenous rocket launch system. >> >> The other possible micro-satellite launch site is Fort Churchill in >> Manitoba, near Hudson Bay, where hundreds of small research rockets >> have been launched in the past." >> >> For those who were/are interested, this latest story can be found at: >> >> >> The focus no longer appears to be on tourism although it is mentioned >> in the article. Monitoring Arctic sovereignty is also listed as a >> potential reason for having a spaceport. >> >> Cheers, >> - Scott. >> >> PS - Some context from the ~2.5 year old conversation: >> > I guess the location is fine for sending up satelites that are supposed > to do polar orbits. It would be an awful location for launching > geostationary stuff from, not that those are any good at monitoring > Canada. :) > > My impression is they wanted to do sub orbital stuff over Canadian territory. Quebec too! ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 29 16:35:45 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:35:45 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <20100329160256.GL4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100329160256.GL4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:02, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> WEIRD problem. I can't stand Asus after this one. It was followed by a >> Gigabyte, could install anything (well, didn't try Windows) > > But what chipset? ?That might have made a lot more difference to > installing things than who made the board. KT133, as far as I can remember. I'm not a Via chipset fan, either. I only bought this one because it was very cheap. Currently I'm into NVidia chipsets. But probably "your favourite chipset" is something like your favorite restaurant: has so many personal issues involved that one's opinion cannot rule the world. > -- > Len Sroensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Mar 29 19:12:13 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:12:13 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: References: <20100329160256.GL4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100329191213.GQ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:35:45PM -0400, Renata Rocha wrote: > KT133, as far as I can remember. > I'm not a Via chipset fan, either. I only bought this one because it > was very cheap. Yeah the A7V had the KT133. 133MHz bus never worked of course until the KT133A (which I believe the A7V133 that had). > Currently I'm into NVidia chipsets. But probably "your favourite > chipset" is something like your favorite restaurant: has so many > personal issues involved that one's opinion cannot rule the world. I like my nforce2 boards (A7N8X-E-Deluxe). The nforce3 chipset wasn't bad, although mainly seemed to end up in athlon64 laptops. The main purpose of later nvidia chipsets seems to have been to support SLI. Intel chipsets have almost always been quite good, although perhaps less featured than the nvidia chipsets. Of course with SLI support on the new intel chipset boards possible these days (if the board maker licenses SLI support), there isn't really a benefit to nvidia chipsets anymore. For current intel CPUs there really isn't any choice other than intel chipsets. ATI chipsets I won't touch. A shame that there doesn't seem to be any other choices left for AMD CPUs. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 30 13:53:25 2010 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:53:25 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: References: <20100326190345.GF4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4BB20255.8000908@totaltravelmarketing.com> On 3/26/2010 11:08 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:40:07AM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: >>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Peter King wrote: >>> >>> [issues with multiple ASUS motherboards snipped] >>> >>> I basically just buy ASUS motherboards, and over the last 10 years I >>> haven't had hardware issues with them. What I did run into a few years >>> ago was a BIOS bug that from my point of view rendered a motherboard >>> useless... I wanted a small box that I could put in my bedroom to >>> serve as a diskless client tied to my "main" MythTV PC. The BIOS bug >>> caused the motherboard to present a invalid (read a broadcast) MAC >>> address to the network. Okay, so mine was an issue that would not be >>> noticed by 99.9% + of the buyers of that motherboard, but it caused me >>> grief, and I made very sure ASUS was made well aware of the trouble I >>> had. It did take more months than I was happy with, but they did >>> release an updated BIOS that did fix this issue... >> >> That was one of the nvidia chipset bugs that make some people hate >> nvidia chipsets. Seems every board with nvidia chipsets had that bug. >> A few boards eventually fixed it. > > Did you get caught on the same BIOS bug? If so, on what sort of project(s)? > >> Certainly when I build a computer, the question is not which brand of >> motherboard to use. The question is simply which Asus board to use. > > My first (well, only) new motherboard after the above noted mess was > another ASUS . I wasn't happy about the BIOS bug (yes, it may have > been due to an nVidia issue, but I hold the motherboard maker > responsible for the whole package...). From experience I know that > once ASUS hardware is running it will be almost bullet proof... > > Colin McGregor > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > My only complain about asus is that their bios demands certain amount of ramm of the physical side, and last time I upgraded to 4 GB and darn thing took 850Mb out of it, what's with that. Other than that I believe these motherboards are solid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 30 14:10:53 2010 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <4BB20255.8000908-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <4BB20255.8000908@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <263954.37769.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > > > My only complain about asus is that their bios demands > certain amount of > ramm of the physical side, and last time I upgraded to 4 GB > and darn > thing took 850Mb out of it, what's with that. > Sounds to me like an OS issue. 32-bit operating systems are routinely only able to address just over 3GB. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 30 14:33:44 2010 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:33:44 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <263954.37769.qm-1NIlFuzKg1GB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <263954.37769.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BB20BC8.8000407@totaltravelmarketing.com> On 3/30/2010 10:10 AM, Matthew Godycki wrote: > >> >> >> My only complain about asus is that their bios demands >> certain amount of >> ramm of the physical side, and last time I upgraded to 4 GB >> and darn >> thing took 850Mb out of it, what's with that. >> > > Sounds to me like an OS issue. 32-bit operating systems are routinely only able to address just over 3GB. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Not sure, as the BIOS does only reports 3.2 GB and the manual say the mother board does it an "calculated amount of RAM based on the physical amount for internal calculations", what ever that really means for the hardware, I have been using pae version with this machine and other machine with no problem, but of course the BIOS reports the correct amount ram -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 30 14:56:35 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <263954.37769.qm-1NIlFuzKg1GB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <263954.37769.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: | From: Matthew Godycki | > My only complain about asus is that their bios demands | > certain amount of | > ramm of the physical side, and last time I upgraded to 4 GB | > and darn | > thing took 850Mb out of it, what's with that. | > | | Sounds to me like an OS issue. 32-bit operating systems are routinely only able to address just over 3GB. Agreed. There is 4G of address space on the 32-bit PCI bus. Some addresses are reserved for I/O devices. So you cannot fit 4G of RAM in that address space. The BIOS typically maps a chunk of 4G of RAM to above the 4G address space. This RAM is tricky for an OS to deal with: on many machines, you cannot do DMA to it. Because of this, some BIOSes have an option of how this is mapped. In fact, they are willing to throw the memory-that-won't-fit away. I think that the option might be called "linear" (I forget since I've never had such a BIOS). Summary: use an OS willing to handle more than 4G of RAM (64-bit version or PAE version). Perhaps you need to adjust a BIOS setting. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 30 15:19:11 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:19:11 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <4BB20255.8000908-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <20100326190345.GF4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4BB20255.8000908@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <20100330151911.GR4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 09:53:25AM -0400, Jose wrote: > My only complain about asus is that their bios demands certain amount of > ramm of the physical side, and last time I upgraded to 4 GB and darn > thing took 850Mb out of it, what's with that. > > Other than that I believe these motherboards are solid That's a chipset issue, not the BIOS. Nothing to do with Asus. It is in fact PCI that is demanding memory address space, not the BIOS. Some chipsets can remap, in which case there will be a BIOS setting to enable that feature (often on by default). Usually chipsets that could not remap were made by intel, although most newer intel chipsets can remap memory above 4GB. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 30 15:19:38 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:19:38 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <4BB20BC8.8000407-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <263954.37769.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4BB20BC8.8000407@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <20100330151938.GS4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:33:44AM -0400, Jose wrote: > Not sure, as the BIOS does only reports 3.2 GB and the manual say the > mother board does it an "calculated amount of RAM based on the physical > amount for internal calculations", what ever that really means for the > hardware, I have been using pae version with this machine and other > machine with no problem, but of course the BIOS reports the correct > amount ram Which board? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 30 15:52:05 2010 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:52:05 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <20100330151938.GS4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <263954.37769.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4BB20BC8.8000407@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100330151938.GS4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4BB21E25.5080606@totaltravelmarketing.com> On 3/30/2010 11:19 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:33:44AM -0400, Jose wrote: >> Not sure, as the BIOS does only reports 3.2 GB and the manual say the >> mother board does it an "calculated amount of RAM based on the physical >> amount for internal calculations", what ever that really means for the >> hardware, I have been using pae version with this machine and other >> machine with no problem, but of course the BIOS reports the correct >> amount ram > > Which board? > P5AD2-E intel centrino2 - Intel 925XE chipset - Intel LGA775 Pentium 4 CPU - Dual-Channel DDR2 533 - Intel PAT - PCI Express Architecture - Gigabit LAN -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 30 17:02:37 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:02:37 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <4BB21E25.5080606-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <263954.37769.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4BB20BC8.8000407@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100330151938.GS4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4BB21E25.5080606@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <20100330170237.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:52:05AM -0400, Jose wrote: > P5AD2-E > intel centrino2 > > - Intel 925XE chipset > - Intel LGA775 Pentium 4 CPU > - Dual-Channel DDR2 533 > - Intel PAT > - PCI Express Architecture > - Gigabit LAN The intel 925XE is one of those crap intel chipsets that can't address more than 4GB, so since PCI needs some of that 4GB address space, you can't have more than about 3.2GB available. The max physical ram you can plug into the system is in fact 8GB, but you still can't use more than 3.2GB or so on it making that rather pointless. Newer intel chipsets eventually fixed this stupidity. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 30 18:06:25 2010 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:06:25 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <20100330170237.GT4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <263954.37769.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4BB20BC8.8000407@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100330151938.GS4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4BB21E25.5080606@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100330170237.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4BB23DA1.7030206@totaltravelmarketing.com> On 3/30/2010 1:02 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:52:05AM -0400, Jose wrote: >> P5AD2-E >> intel centrino2 >> >> - Intel 925XE chipset >> - Intel LGA775 Pentium 4 CPU >> - Dual-Channel DDR2 533 >> - Intel PAT >> - PCI Express Architecture >> - Gigabit LAN > > The intel 925XE is one of those crap intel chipsets that can't address > more than 4GB, so since PCI needs some of that 4GB address space, you > can't have more than about 3.2GB available. The max physical ram you > can plug into the system is in fact 8GB, but you still can't use more > than 3.2GB or so on it making that rather pointless. > > Newer intel chipsets eventually fixed this stupidity. > Mmmm, that what I thought, but did not know about the intel chipset bug. Not meaning to kidnap the topic, What would be a good model to buy these days, I am also shopping for a new motherboard, and was thinking of a intel- core 7 or quadcore as they are becoming cheaper, any suggestions? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 30 18:45:21 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: interesting talk by Tridge on patents Message-ID: I probably got this link from slashdot so you might have seen it: The comments note "equivalent infringement "which is a bit scary. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 30 19:13:14 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:13:14 -0400 Subject: Manipulating file dates In-Reply-To: <1f13df281003271203w1e40d531rd69679123a58835c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281003271203w1e40d531rd69679123a58835c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 15:03, Giles Orr wrote: > I'll shortly be boarding a flight back to Toronto, at which time I'll > have about a thousand photos with the wrong time stamp on them (I > never remember to reset the camera until about five days have passed). > ?All the photos have a Toronto time stamp on them, when what I need is > six hours later. ?I admit I'm sitting at a Windows computer in a hotel > and haven't attempted to research this myself, but I've looked at it > in the past and the process was a bit confusing. ?As I recall, I would > need to get the time from the file, convert to seconds since the > computer epoch (some time in 1969?, although I think that's immaterial > in this context?), add 6*60*60 seconds, then convert back to date > format. ?Looping through the files with touch is no problem, but help > with the date manipulation under Bash would be much appreciated. I'm pretty sure you won't need to change the files' date, but the jpg headers info. There's a command line tool named "exif" (self-describing) which deals with exif headers. May be useful for what you need. -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 30 19:22:01 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:22:01 -0400 Subject: Manipulating file dates In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df281003271203w1e40d531rd69679123a58835c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 15:13, Renata Rocha wrote: > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 15:03, Giles Orr wrote: >> I'll shortly be boarding a flight back to Toronto, at which time I'll >> have about a thousand photos with the wrong time stamp on them (I >> never remember to reset the camera until about five days have passed). >> ?All the photos have a Toronto time stamp on them, when what I need is >> six hours later. ?I admit I'm sitting at a Windows computer in a hotel >> and haven't attempted to research this myself, but I've looked at it >> in the past and the process was a bit confusing. ?As I recall, I would >> need to get the time from the file, convert to seconds since the >> computer epoch (some time in 1969?, although I think that's immaterial >> in this context?), add 6*60*60 seconds, then convert back to date >> format. ?Looping through the files with touch is no problem, but help >> with the date manipulation under Bash would be much appreciated. > > I'm pretty sure you won't need to change the files' date, but the jpg > headers info. > > There's a command line tool named "exif" (self-describing) ?which > deals with exif headers. May be useful for what you need. I just installed it and I believe it makes exactly what you're looking for: exif --ifd=EXIF --tag 0x9003 --set-value=?2007:09:17 09:30:55? picture.jpg Set EXIF tag 0x9003 (DateTimeOriginal) to the given value, writing the new file to picture.jpg.modified.jpg I hope this may have helped you! -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 30 20:01:24 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:01:24 -0400 Subject: Decision in the SCO Group vs. Novell Jury trial Message-ID: <4BB25894.5060109@rogers.com> http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=2153 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 30 20:50:00 2010 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:50:00 -0400 Subject: Decision in the SCO Group vs. Novell Jury trial In-Reply-To: <4BB25894.5060109-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4BB25894.5060109@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4BB263F8.20304@the-wire.com> James Knott wrote: > > http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=2153 !!! Good news! Stopped in at Groklaw for the party http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100330152829622 Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 30 21:50:06 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:50:06 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <4BB23DA1.7030206-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <263954.37769.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4BB20BC8.8000407@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100330151938.GS4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4BB21E25.5080606@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100330170237.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4BB23DA1.7030206@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <20100330215006.GU4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 02:06:25PM -0400, Jose wrote: > Mmmm, that what I thought, but did not know about the intel chipset bug. It isn't a bug. It was designed with 32 address lines. It's a limitation of the design and entirely intensional. > Not meaning to kidnap the topic, What would be a good model to buy these > days, I am also shopping for a new motherboard, and was thinking of a > intel- core 7 or quadcore as they are becoming cheaper, any suggestions? Well last year I built a machine for my wife using an Asus P6T with a Core i7 920 D1 stepping and 3 x 2GB G.skill DDR3 10666 ram. Very happy with the result so far. A much cheaper option that is available now but wasn't when I built that machine is a Core i7 using one of the P55 chipsets rather than the rather expensive X58, using dual channel rather than tripple channel memory. Tripple channel probably really isn't doing any real benefit until you move to the 6 core (rather than 4 core) version of the i7. You can get those now of course, assuming you thinkg $1300 for a CPU is reasonable. The P7P55D line looks nice at the moment. Some have dual gigabit ethernet, some have one. Some can run SLI some can't. Some have 2 PCI slots some have 3, with a similar but inverse change in number of PCI express slots. Some have firewire. Some (the -E versions it seems) have USB3 and SATA 6Gbps ports available (not convinced either is that big a deal yet, but still nice). Prices seem to range from $135 to about $235 depending on the features. A core i7 860 (quad core + hyper threading at 2.8GHz) goes for about $300. A core i5 750 (quad core at 2.67GHz) goes for about $225. A core i5 660 (dual core + hyper threading at 3.33Ghz) also goes for about $225. Slightly more clock speed, but less cores. Depends on the work load which makes more sense. Add whatever video card you like and a case and a decent power supply, and some disks and maybe 2 x 2GB or 4 x 2GB ram, and you are all set. 4GB sticks still seem hard to find. Check ram on the motherboard compatibility list just to be sure. Never buy DDR3 ram that requires more than 1.65V if using an intel core i3/i5/i7 CPU. If you just want cheap, you could drop to a core i3 with onboard video, but I tend to ignore that option. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Mar 30 23:47:43 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:47:43 -0400 Subject: Decision in the SCO Group vs. Novell Jury trial In-Reply-To: <4BB263F8.20304-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <4BB25894.5060109@rogers.com> <4BB263F8.20304@the-wire.com> Message-ID: On 3/30/10, Mel Wilson wrote: > James Knott wrote: >> >> http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=2153 > > !!! Good news! Stopped in at Groklaw for the party > > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100330152829622 I would love to sing "Ding-Dong the Wicked Witch is Dead", but my question is how long before SCO files an appeal with the hope of dragging this out another 7 years... This whole case should have been over 6.5 years ago, but... the fat lady hasn't sung yet... Colin. > Mel. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 31 00:53:20 2010 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:53:20 -0400 Subject: burning files from samba share In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201003302053.21139.amarjan@pobox.com> On March 29, 2010 11:45:15 am you wrote: > Now that all of my media is on the network, I'm curious about burning > those files to a DVD sometimes for sharing. > > When I try to burn from a Samba share, I get an error that it is not > supported. This is using the Nautilus utility for burning discs. Is > there a better tool for this, or a method someone can point me to for > this? I know it might be kinda slow, but it seems like my only option. > > Thanks! Try mounting the share, so all the SMB stuff is handled by the kernel instead of whatever userspace library Gnome uses. See the manpage for mount.cifs Basic usage is: mount -t cifs //server/share /mnt --verbose -o user=username -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 31 08:47:07 2010 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 04:47:07 -0400 Subject: Manipulating file dates In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df281003271203w1e40d531rd69679123a58835c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100331044707.kbok3r6h0go0ckss@mail.math.yorku.ca> Renata Rocha wrote: > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 15:03, Giles Orr wrote: >> I'll shortly be boarding a flight back to Toronto, at which time I'll >> have about a thousand photos with the wrong time stamp on them (I >> never remember to reset the camera until about five days have passed). >> All the photos have a Toronto time stamp on them, when what I need is >> six hours later. > I'm pretty sure you won't need to change the files' date, but the jpg > headers info. > > There's a command line tool named "exif" (self-describing) which > deals with exif headers. May be useful for what you need. With that or with exiftool, you'll have to do some scripting, which is fine if you like that sort of thing, but it isn't really necessary. The "jhead" command will allow you to specify a delta from the existing EXIF timestamp, and apply it to *.jpg in a directory. Use "jhead -ta hh:mm:ss" (or a minus sign in the obvious place for a negative delta). One good trick, if you're using a GPS and you want to correlate the photos based on the timestamp, is to take a shot of the GPSs time display, so that you know the exact delta. Unfortunately it works only on JPEGs (and not, for example, on DNGs, which also have EXIF headers). One final remark -- I've come to the conclusion that it's simply better *not* to reset your camera's clock to the new time zone when travelling (or your laptop's, either), unless it's quite a long trip. It's easier to remember to convert those times in your head than it is to figure out which timestamps apply to which time zone. Very much too bad that timestamps don't include time-zone info, to allow automatic conversion. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 31 09:17:44 2010 From: gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Eric Battersby) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 05:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Manipulating file dates In-Reply-To: <20100331044707.kbok3r6h0go0ckss-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281003271203w1e40d531rd69679123a58835c@mail.gmail.com> <20100331044707.kbok3r6h0go0ckss@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Mike Oliver wrote: > Renata Rocha wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 15:03, Giles Orr wrote: > > > I'll shortly be boarding a flight back to Toronto, at which time I'll > > > have about a thousand photos with the wrong time stamp on them (I > > > never remember to reset the camera until about five days have passed). > > > All the photos have a Toronto time stamp on them, when what I need is > > > six hours later. > > I'm pretty sure you won't need to change the files' date, but the jpg > > headers info. > > > > There's a command line tool named "exif" (self-describing) which > > deals with exif headers. May be useful for what you need. > > With that or with exiftool, you'll have to do some scripting, which > is fine if you like that sort of thing, but it isn't really necessary. > The "jhead" command will allow you to specify a delta from the existing > EXIF timestamp, and apply it to *.jpg in a directory. Use > "jhead -ta hh:mm:ss" (or a minus sign in the obvious place > for a negative delta). > > One good trick, if you're using a GPS and you want to correlate > the photos based on the timestamp, is to take a shot of the GPSs > time display, so that you know the exact delta. > > Unfortunately it works only on JPEGs (and not, for example, > on DNGs, which also have EXIF headers). > > One final remark -- I've come to the conclusion that it's simply > better *not* to reset your camera's clock to the new time zone when > travelling (or your laptop's, either), unless it's quite a long trip. > It's easier to remember to convert those times in your head than it > is to figure out which timestamps apply to which time zone. Very much > too bad that timestamps don't include time-zone info, to allow automatic > conversion. There are three timestamp fields in EXIF: original digititized modified Usually the original and digititized timestamps are the same. If you have GPS builtin, there is also a GPS timestamp. I'll assume no GPS, otherwise use that to sync. Most of the answers given are trying to solve a symptom, instead of addressing the cause. Does anyone doubt that this same problem will occur again (and again) due to human error (when travelling to another timezone, or when daylight savings switches)? Since, EXIF has no timezone, it should be obvious that the camera clock should always be set to UTC, just like in Linux. Upon display, you (or a program) can translate that timestamp to your local timezone, just like Linux does with its filesystem timestamps. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 31 13:25:59 2010 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:25:59 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <20100330215006.GU4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <263954.37769.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4BB20BC8.8000407@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100330151938.GS4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4BB21E25.5080606@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100330170237.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4BB23DA1.7030206@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100330215006.GU4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4BB34D67.3040609@totaltravelmarketing.com> On 3/30/2010 5:50 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 02:06:25PM -0400, Jose wrote: >> Mmmm, that what I thought, but did not know about the intel chipset bug. > > It isn't a bug. It was designed with 32 address lines. It's a limitation > of the design and entirely intensional. > >> Not meaning to kidnap the topic, What would be a good model to buy these >> days, I am also shopping for a new motherboard, and was thinking of a >> intel- core 7 or quadcore as they are becoming cheaper, any suggestions? > > Well last year I built a machine for my wife using an Asus P6T with a > Core i7 920 D1 stepping and 3 x 2GB G.skill DDR3 10666 ram. > > Very happy with the result so far. > > A much cheaper option that is available now but wasn't when I built that > machine is a Core i7 using one of the P55 chipsets rather than the rather > expensive X58, using dual channel rather than tripple channel memory. > Tripple channel probably really isn't doing any real benefit until you > move to the 6 core (rather than 4 core) version of the i7. You can get > those now of course, assuming you thinkg $1300 for a CPU is reasonable. > > The P7P55D line looks nice at the moment. Some have dual gigabit > ethernet, some have one. Some can run SLI some can't. Some have 2 PCI > slots some have 3, with a similar but inverse change in number of PCI > express slots. Some have firewire. Some (the -E versions it seems) > have USB3 and SATA 6Gbps ports available (not convinced either is that > big a deal yet, but still nice). Prices seem to range from $135 to > about $235 depending on the features. > > A core i7 860 (quad core + hyper threading at 2.8GHz) goes for about $300. > A core i5 750 (quad core at 2.67GHz) goes for about $225. > A core i5 660 (dual core + hyper threading at 3.33Ghz) also goes for > about $225. Slightly more clock speed, but less cores. Depends on the > work load which makes more sense. > > Add whatever video card you like and a case and a decent power supply, > and some disks and maybe 2 x 2GB or 4 x 2GB ram, and you are all set. > 4GB sticks still seem hard to find. Check ram on the motherboard > compatibility list just to be sure. Never buy DDR3 ram that requires > more than 1.65V if using an intel core i3/i5/i7 CPU. > > If you just want cheap, you could drop to a core i3 with onboard video, > but I tend to ignore that option. > Hi Lennart, Thanks for the great advice. one question tough, you mentioned you tend to ignore the onboard video, why?, I see all these motherboards advertising nvidia or ATI video chips, that means you get an actual lower nvidia card included or it's just for compatibility? Thanks again Jose -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 31 14:18:24 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:18:24 -0400 Subject: Manipulating file dates In-Reply-To: <20100331044707.kbok3r6h0go0ckss-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281003271203w1e40d531rd69679123a58835c@mail.gmail.com> <20100331044707.kbok3r6h0go0ckss@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20100331141824.GV4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 04:47:07AM -0400, Mike Oliver wrote: > With that or with exiftool, you'll have to do some scripting, which > is fine if you like that sort of thing, but it isn't really necessary. > The "jhead" command will allow you to specify a delta from the existing > EXIF timestamp, and apply it to *.jpg in a directory. Use > "jhead -ta hh:mm:ss" (or a minus sign in the obvious place > for a negative delta). > > One good trick, if you're using a GPS and you want to correlate > the photos based on the timestamp, is to take a shot of the GPSs > time display, so that you know the exact delta. > > Unfortunately it works only on JPEGs (and not, for example, > on DNGs, which also have EXIF headers). > > One final remark -- I've come to the conclusion that it's simply > better *not* to reset your camera's clock to the new time zone when > travelling (or your laptop's, either), unless it's quite a long trip. > It's easier to remember to convert those times in your head than it > is to figure out which timestamps apply to which time zone. Very much > too bad that timestamps don't include time-zone info, to allow automatic > conversion. Some cameras have GPS stamps on pictures. That would let you figure out what timezone it was in. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 31 15:19:12 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:19:12 -0400 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <4BB34D67.3040609-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <263954.37769.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4BB20BC8.8000407@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100330151938.GS4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4BB21E25.5080606@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100330170237.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4BB23DA1.7030206@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100330215006.GU4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4BB34D67.3040609@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <20100331151912.GW4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 09:25:59AM -0400, Jose wrote: > Thanks for the great advice. > > one question tough, you mentioned you tend to ignore the onboard video, > why?, I see all these motherboards advertising nvidia or ATI video > chips, that means you get an actual lower nvidia card included or it's > just for compatibility? You get very low end. Lower than any card made. They almost always use shared memory, which means your CPU gets to loose a bunch of memory bandwidth just to drive your video chip. I have no interest in wasting the bandwidth I paid a lot for already just to save a bit on a real video card. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 31 15:21:01 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:21:01 -0700 Subject: Asus motherboard? -- never again! In-Reply-To: <4BB34D67.3040609-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <263954.37769.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4BB20BC8.8000407@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100330151938.GS4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4BB21E25.5080606@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100330170237.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4BB23DA1.7030206@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100330215006.GU4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4BB34D67.3040609@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: Onboard generally uses shared memory, which is often faster, and uses RAM that could otherwise be used for the system. As modern cards/games may have between 256MB-1GB, using the equivalent in shared can be quite a bit. Many of these seem to be scaled-down versions of the chips too, possible the mobile/laptop variety. I know the supposed GeForce 9200 on my shuttle doesn't like newer DX9 games with fancy lighting effects, though "Half Life 2" etc seem good. On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Jose wrote: > On 3/30/2010 5:50 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 02:06:25PM -0400, Jose wrote: >>> >>> Mmmm, that what I thought, but did not know about the intel chipset bug. >> >> It isn't a bug. ?It was designed with 32 address lines. ?It's a limitation >> of the design and entirely intensional. >> >>> Not meaning to kidnap the topic, What would be a good model to buy these >>> days, I am also shopping for a new motherboard, and was thinking of a >>> intel- core 7 or quadcore as they are becoming cheaper, any suggestions? >> >> Well last year I built a machine for my wife using an Asus P6T with a >> Core i7 920 D1 stepping and 3 x 2GB G.skill DDR3 10666 ram. >> >> Very happy with the result so far. >> >> A much cheaper option that is available now but wasn't when I built that >> machine is a Core i7 using one of the P55 chipsets rather than the rather >> expensive X58, using dual channel rather than tripple channel memory. >> Tripple channel probably really isn't doing any real benefit until you >> move to the 6 core (rather than 4 core) version of the i7. ?You can get >> those now of course, assuming you thinkg $1300 for a CPU is reasonable. >> >> The P7P55D line looks nice at the moment. ?Some have dual gigabit >> ethernet, some have one. ?Some can run SLI some can't. ?Some have 2 PCI >> slots some have 3, with a similar but inverse change in number of PCI >> express slots. ?Some have firewire. ?Some (the -E versions it seems) >> have USB3 and SATA 6Gbps ports available (not convinced either is that >> big a deal yet, but still nice). ?Prices seem to range from $135 to >> about $235 depending on the features. >> >> A core i7 860 (quad core + hyper threading at 2.8GHz) goes for about $300. >> A core i5 750 (quad core at 2.67GHz) goes for about $225. >> A core i5 660 (dual core + hyper threading at 3.33Ghz) also goes for >> about $225. ?Slightly more clock speed, but less cores. ?Depends on the >> work load which makes more sense. >> >> Add whatever video card you like and a case and a decent power supply, >> and some disks and maybe 2 x 2GB or 4 x 2GB ram, and you are all set. >> 4GB sticks still seem hard to find. ?Check ram on the motherboard >> compatibility list just to be sure. ?Never buy DDR3 ram that requires >> more than 1.65V if using an intel core i3/i5/i7 CPU. >> >> If you just want cheap, you could drop to a core i3 with onboard video, >> but I tend to ignore that option. >> > Hi Lennart, > > Thanks for the great advice. > > one question tough, you mentioned you tend to ignore the onboard video, > why?, I see all these motherboards advertising nvidia or ATI video chips, > that means you get an actual lower nvidia card included or it's just for > compatibility? > > Thanks again > > Jose > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 31 18:26:20 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:26:20 -0400 Subject: Help with plug and play - USB Webcam conflicts with Tv Tuner In-Reply-To: <8CC9D72DF252BA0-1120-1789-uLXz1gKW/XUpy7wrBbGQnLgMRKj5Rqyl0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org> References: <8CC9CC5CB0D7F67-868-9029@web-mmc-d08.sysops.aol.com> <8CC9D72DF252BA0-1120-1789@web-mmc-m01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4BB393CC.5030403@ve3syb.ca> TeeCee wrote: > Hi, thanks for responding to this thread. I tried blacklisting the > saa7134 but then tvtime can't start the module on its own. Without the > webcam installed I use this to start tvtime with sound. The idea with blacklisting a module is to stop it from loading automatically and leading to a problem. If your app doesn't wind up loading the other needed module automatically, you can do one of two things. 1. Change the app startup (using a shell script?) to load the module 2. Load the module in rc.local since the other module should have loaded by the time rc.local is run. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 31 18:46:58 2010 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:46:58 -0400 Subject: Manipulating file dates In-Reply-To: <20100331141824.GV4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281003271203w1e40d531rd69679123a58835c@mail.gmail.com> <20100331044707.kbok3r6h0go0ckss@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20100331141824.GV4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100331144658.xmrs8wjwg0gwc4cw@mail.math.yorku.ca> Quoting Lennart Sorensen : >> One final remark -- I've come to the conclusion that it's simply >> better *not* to reset your camera's clock to the new time zone when >> travelling (or your laptop's, either), unless it's quite a long trip. >> It's easier to remember to convert those times in your head than it >> is to figure out which timestamps apply to which time zone. Very much >> too bad that timestamps don't include time-zone info, to allow automatic >> conversion. > > Some cameras have GPS stamps on pictures. That would let you figure > out what timezone it was in. Yep. Those tend to be fairly high-end cameras, though. Besides I wasn't just talking about the camera; I was talking about the laptop also. If you have your machine configured to work off local time (the easiest configuration for multi-boot systems), then the timestamp doesn't change back when you change your time zone. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 31 19:42:17 2010 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:42:17 -0400 Subject: Decision in the SCO Group vs. Novell Jury trial In-Reply-To: References: <4BB25894.5060109@rogers.com> <4BB263F8.20304@the-wire.com> Message-ID: On 30 March 2010 19:47, Colin McGregor wrote: > On 3/30/10, Mel Wilson wrote: > > James Knott wrote: > >> > >> http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=2153 > > > > !!! Good news! Stopped in at Groklaw for the party > > > > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100330152829622 > > I would love to sing "Ding-Dong the Wicked Witch is Dead", but my > question is how long before SCO files an appeal with the hope of > dragging this out another 7 years... This whole case should have been > over 6.5 years ago, but... the fat lady hasn't sung yet... > True. The ink was barely dry on the paperwork as the SCO lawyers said they would continue to pursue a case against IBM, even though the jury decision significantly weakens their position. Or they could appeal the jury verdict, but one wonders at what point the bankruptcy trustee now overseeing SCO will realize that further action will help nobody but the lawyers. SCO already told the jury in court that if SCOsource lost the case it would cease to be a viable entity. If that is the case then, even in the slim chance that SCO could win a case against IBM or an appeal of this case... there's now nobody to benefit from it. Of course, that's unless they lied to the jury and SCOsource survives the jury trial loss. Of course, that won't help their cred in any future cases. That is, if there are any more. At some point, SCO's creditors will realize that what assets still remain are better in their pockets than to fund lawyers in an increasingly futile legal strategy. - Evan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 31 19:59:51 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:59:51 -0400 Subject: Decision in the SCO Group vs. Novell Jury trial In-Reply-To: References: <4BB25894.5060109@rogers.com> <4BB263F8.20304@the-wire.com> Message-ID: <4BB3A9B7.2060705@rogers.com> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > At some point, SCO's creditors will realize that what assets still > remain are better in their pockets than to fund lawyers in an > increasingly futile legal strategy. > They already owe Novell much more than they have. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 31 20:55:27 2010 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:55:27 -0400 Subject: [OT?] Android phones In-Reply-To: <7b85931d1003290715n20994873n74828fec3e9855a9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4BAD7E1B.6090501@buynet.com> <3a97ef1003262100t4f1b7460m431984b5921a2e7a@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1003262102t3677a832naae985f1e2e7d7ff@mail.gmail.com> <4BAE664E.8080703@rogers.com> <601551AD-4AC7-47B9-9E49-876C5F308D0F@gmail.com> <4BAF3F09.1010601@rogers.com> <7b85931d1003290715n20994873n74828fec3e9855a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 29 March 2010 10:15, Robert F. Kennedy wrote: While we know Android is getting to be quite popular, at the > moment we're not prepared to commit to ever developing an Android > version of Pleco, and here's why. > I read some rationalizations here, but also a couple of good points. The rapid evolution of Android has meant that there is quite the diversity of OS revisions. The Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 isn't out yet, but its release of Android is older than that of the Nexus One or Droid/Milestone. And certainly some makers have toyed with the UI (ie, Motoblur) and one or two had actually tried to put in a decent media player. The proliferation of OS levels is indeed hard for a developer to track, but it generally shouldn't matter unless the API changes. And while the FOSS nature of Android does allow any maker to mutate it, making changes that disqualify most apps from running on a phone would strike me as self-defeating. In any case, I too have had recent screen breakage of my old HTC S621 (bought when nobody had heard of HTC). But while it gave me decent service, I'm not crying over my loss of Windows Mobile. Syncing email and contacts from that thing to a PC without Outlook was truly painful. But it had wifi (rare in something bought three years ago) and Skype. I am also following the various industry moves. My 3-year contract expires next month; I will wait until the entry of Mobilicity (why couldn't they have kept the name "Dave Wireless"?) and see how they stack up against Wind, Rogers, Telus and Bell before I make a move. What I would really like is for Rogers to get the HTC Desire (almost identical to the Nexus One without Google branding) but I don't think that will happen. I know that Rogers is getting the Xperia X10 ( http://www.rogers.com/web/content/pre-order-x10) but there's no indication of when -- and its reviews have all indicated an older Android version (1.6). And it will be $200 even as a locked phone and 3-year contract. I'm really leaning towards the Nexus One, even though there's no discount in the telco plans for having your own unsubsidized phone. What appeals to me the the completely unlocked nature of the phone, meaning that when I travel I can buy a short-term SIM at my destination and save quite a bit over Rogers $4/min roaming fees. It also means that I won't have to complain why they won't unlock a phone after the contract expires (and the subsidy is supposedly done). - Evan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Mar 31 20:57:30 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:57:30 -0400 Subject: Manipulating file dates In-Reply-To: <20100331144658.xmrs8wjwg0gwc4cw-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281003271203w1e40d531rd69679123a58835c@mail.gmail.com> <20100331044707.kbok3r6h0go0ckss@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20100331141824.GV4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100331144658.xmrs8wjwg0gwc4cw@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20100331205730.GX4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 02:46:58PM -0400, Mike Oliver wrote: > Yep. Those tend to be fairly high-end cameras, though. Besides I > wasn't just talking about the camera; I was talking about the laptop > also. If you have your machine configured to work off local time (the > easiest configuration for multi-boot systems), then the timestamp > doesn't change back when you change your time zone. Yes localtime clock sucks. Microsoft is very stupid for that choice. They are even more stupid for not having changed it to allow users the choice. It would simplify their handling of daylights savings time so much. They keep having bugs in that after all. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists