Hacklab nerd caught in G20 security sweep

Gary Layng glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org
Sat Jun 26 04:06:28 UTC 2010


One of the reasons why our so-called democracy is such a farce is that over 
the past fifty years we have forgotten, or never had our noses rubbed into the 
fact that along with rights come responsibilities.  Ignore your 
responsibilities, and your rights vanish as with the morning dew.

Ever since the farce that was the Seattle "protests", we've seen an escalating 
police response: no surprise, as they're charged with "keeping the peace", and 
ever since Seattle, the protests at these multinational summits have proven 
anything but.

One of our most important responsibilities is to behave in a measured manner: 
Keep your powder dry for the real difficulties.  Burn the place down when people 
are arrested for the crime of advocating a change in government policy, not 
because you object that someone decided to build a fast-food restaurant with a 
silly-arsed clown as a mascot.  It's there because people like to dine there 
for some reason, and destroying the restaurant is an attack not on the 
corporate owners, but on the diners.

Protesting poverty by trashing, looting and burning the very stores where the 
working poor are struggling to earn a living is at best counterproductive, yet 
many of the G-8 and G-20 protesters seem to think this is appropriate.  How 
this helps the poor they claim to support escapes me completely.

Another responsibility is to know what you're talking about.  One young lady 
marching at the G-8 this morning was quoted in a radio report claiming that 
"water isn't a commodity!"  Well, no, ordinary water is not.  That's because 
ordinary water is and has been for millions of years salty sometimes to the 
point of brackishness, or stagnant, or both - at any rate, not drinkable by 
anybody without a death wish.  Potable water IS a commodity.  It is expensive 
to obtain, expensive to bring from the location where it's found to the 
location where it's needed, and expensive to treat it as necessary if it isn't 
yet 100% safe to drink.  Over the centuries wars have been fought over this 
precious resource, and I have no doubt more will occur.  And this girl wants 
to make it a human right that everyone can have free, potable water just as 
she does.  Ask her how much her city pays for water main repair, water 
treatment and water storage.  I think she'll find the dollar value is somewhere 
north of "free".

From OCAP protesting that its clients, largely abusers of drugs or alcohol, 
can and should be somehow lifted out of poverty without treating the 
underlying causes, to people who think despite every evidence to the contrary 
over the centuries that we'll have better economies and wealthier nations by 
shutting down trade between countries, to those who think the best way to 
combat racism is to introduce more in reverse form in the sacred name of 
Political Correctness, they all seem to be under the impression that the 
appropriate response to the public's lack of appreciation of their Holy Vision 
is to trash the place.  Any loss of rights isn't due to a lack of vigilance on 
the regular citizens' part, it's due to a policy on the part of these useful 
idiots out there of deliberately giving our rights away by pretending they can 
have their childish temper tantrums without having to suffer the consequences.

On Friday 25 June 2010 22:16:35 you wrote:
> I would like to add my voice of dissent to this farce we call democracy in
> Canada.  How many governments in history have invoked security and public
> safety to squash other voices and individual liberty.  I don't know Byron
> but my heart goes out to him in what has become a witch hunt for
> "terrorists".
> 
> Randy Jonasz
> 
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Digimer <linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > On 10-06-25 08:35 PM, Ken Burtch wrote:
> >> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Digimer wrote:
> >>
> >>  On 10-06-25 04:25 PM, Ken Burtch wrote:
> >>>> Keep in mind that this list is publically accessible and that this
> >>>> list must be monitored right now. I would suggest you defer this
> >>>> thread until things quiet down and we have more information.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ken B.
> >>>
> >>> People should never, ever, be afraid to speak their mind. No one here
> >>> is or has advocated, provoked or otherwise supported an illegal
> >>> action. Anyone who did so should and would be removed from this list.
> >>>
> >>> <Digimer waves to the boogeyman>
> >>
> >> I did not say you cannot speak about it. Speak about it later.
> >>
> >> Ken B.
> >
> > No difference.
> >
> > In fact, that's part of my point. "Temporary" erosion of rights is never
> > acceptable because, one day, "temporary" doesn't end.
> >
> >
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