From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 00:16:46 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:16:46 -0500 Subject: Favorite Linux innovation of 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B3D3EEE.7030304@ve3syb.ca> Richard Weait wrote: > That's autotuning and it is beautifully parodied here (some NSFW > language) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dqTrUpmwPg#t=02m06s I don't listen to the type of music that regularly makes use of autotuning. I do remember the Cher song that used it (supposedly the first to do so). After following the link to the autotuning video I discovered a video in which Weird Al Yankovic helps explain autotune: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYzv-AVi78E&NR=1&feature=fvwp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 01:22:36 2010 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:22:36 -0500 Subject: Getting my Accomdata external SATA drive to work Message-ID: <1262308956.12348.15.camel@aragorn> Hi I have been having problems configuring my Acomdata external HD (using firewire) on to Feisty Fawn (Ubuntu 8.4.x). The disk to be mounted is a fully-formatted NTFS drive (this is because my local machine is dual boot). After some dismembering and poking, I find that my HD is a 1TB Seagate Barracuda (STX-ST31000340AS), and found through dmesg|less that it was recognised, but never mounted. It was under /dev/sdb. So, I mounted /dev/sdb1 by hand under /media, and things have been OK for now. I have even mounted it as a share so my Windoze boxes can see it. That was tested out also (disappointed by the slowness, as it is a multimedia drive -- Ubuntu seems slower than Windows at delivering the bytes to my Windows VLC player -- but that's a different problem). My problem now, is that if, for some reason I have to boot Linux, there is a likelihood that the kernel may choose to assign something other than /dev/sdb to mount it on, as I know from past experience. Using the label ("Acorn") has been documented to work, but never has for me. The line in /etc/fstab which began "LABEL=acorn" had to be changed to /dev/sdb1, so that it could mount. When it does, an icon labelled "acorn" appears on my desktop. The other way to do it, is to use "UUID=<...>". Any ideas on how to get the UUID? Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 02:57:54 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:57:54 -0500 Subject: Getting my Accomdata external SATA drive to work In-Reply-To: <1262308956.12348.15.camel@aragorn> References: <1262308956.12348.15.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: <32f6a8880912311857q3b0b725aye2b050fe9da33586@mail.gmail.com> Hi Paul, Ive heard rumours seagate causes problems with alot of devices/game consoles that use hard drives..Possible it may cause trouble with linux systems? Anyrate, To find the UUID you use the command blkid So blkid /dev/sda1 On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Paul King wrote: > Hi > > I have been having problems configuring my Acomdata external HD (using > firewire) on to Feisty Fawn (Ubuntu 8.4.x). The disk to be mounted is a > fully-formatted NTFS drive (this is because my local machine is dual > boot). > > After some dismembering and poking, I find that my HD is a 1TB Seagate > Barracuda (STX-ST31000340AS), and found through dmesg|less that it was > recognised, but never mounted. It was under /dev/sdb. So, I > mounted /dev/sdb1 by hand under /media, and things have been OK for now. > I have even mounted it as a share so my Windoze boxes can see it. That > was tested out also (disappointed by the slowness, as it is a multimedia > drive -- Ubuntu seems slower than Windows at delivering the bytes to my > Windows VLC player -- but that's a different problem). > > My problem now, is that if, for some reason I have to boot Linux, there > is a likelihood that the kernel may choose to assign something other > than /dev/sdb to mount it on, as I know from past experience. Using the > label ("Acorn") has been documented to work, but never has for me. The > line in /etc/fstab which began "LABEL=acorn" had to be changed > to /dev/sdb1, so that it could mount. When it does, an icon labelled > "acorn" appears on my desktop. > > The other way to do it, is to use "UUID=<...>". Any ideas on how to get > the UUID? > > Paul King > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 05:11:47 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:11:47 -0500 Subject: Public, open-source related resolutions, anyone? Message-ID: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> I shall resolve, publicly, to have the first version on my perl modules released this year. For bonus points, I'll try to get the next beta version of my backup program out this year, too. Anyone else care to make a public oss-related resolution for 2010? It will be fun to revisit this thread at the end of the year. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 05:43:32 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:43:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: dual booting Message-ID: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> This is one area where Windows/DOS does it right. Bootloader in MBR just looks for active partition, and boots from that partition. So, install your Linux boot loader in its own partition (say, /dev/sda2 or /dev/sdb1). Of course, Windows and Linux on separate harddisk is the easiest way. You can then choose which harddisk from BIOS boot menu. --William On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 06:07:04AM -0500, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > I managed to install Kubuntu 9.10 on my laptop, the updated install CD > seems to have fixed previous install bugs. This time the install went > well.My audio works and I don't get a blank screen and hang after a reboot. > > I've usually installed Windows first then installed Linux and allowed > the installer to find Windows to setup the dual boot. This time I am > doing thing the other way around. > > So what do I need to save, backup? How to I get gurb repaired to dual > boot? I am assuming Kubuntu 9.10 is using grub 2.0? > > Thanks! > > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 07:19:42 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 02:19:42 -0500 Subject: OT: Cyrillic character domain names In-Reply-To: References: <3685A8FD247FA94C957C4304AB386A04364A29@cognationsvr1.Cognation.local> <4B39D044.8050304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100101071942.GA20427@waltdnes.org> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:04:54PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote > Note that if ICANN were to refuse to accept IDN name registration, > this would be likely to increase the risk of a splitting of the root, > as countries that: > a) Don't use Latin characters, and > b) Are powerful enough to be important on the world stage, and > c) Are prideful enough to like dominance over Latin-based portions > of the world are likely to be willing to go their own way. So we might not be able to see foreign phishing sites. Let's hear it... one... two... three... awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. At first, Firefox blocked IDN by default. Then it switched to enabled by default for trusted TLDs that claim to prevent homograph attacks. If you want to totally block domains with non-ascii characters, in about:config, set network.enableIDN to false. As a compromise you can set network.IDN_show_punycode to true. This will allow Firefox to access sites with non-ascii characters, but the non-ascii characters will show up in a special encoded format, which may be sufficient to make the domain name show up as not being the real thing. There's also a list of whitelisted TLDs in the format network.IDN.whitelist.* To test things out, go to http://www.tel4u.gr/support.html and click on the link just after the string "Example: Try visiting". I can get it working if I set network.enableIDN to true. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 09:49:45 2010 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:49:45 +0100 Subject: Getting my Accomdata external SATA drive to work In-Reply-To: <1262308956.12348.15.camel@aragorn> (Paul King's message of "Thu\, 31 Dec 2009 20\:22\:36 -0500") References: <1262308956.12348.15.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: <87eimagnnq.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Paul King a ?crit profondement: | Hi | | I have been having problems configuring my Acomdata external HD (using | firewire) on to Feisty Fawn (Ubuntu 8.4.x). The disk to be mounted is a | fully-formatted NTFS drive (this is because my local machine is dual | boot). mke2fs -L is your friend or tune2fs then mount your labels do it in fstab if you like but I have 3x1Tb and 1x2Tb drives and they are not always connected so I have scripts to mount and unmount them when required and call the scripts from rc.local on boot up and echo the results to the CRT -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 14:41:46 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:41:46 -0500 Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <20091231195817.GG8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3C85D8.5090905@gmail.com> <20091231195817.GG8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B3E09AA.30204@gmail.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 06:07:04AM -0500, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> I managed to install Kubuntu 9.10 on my laptop, the updated install CD >> seems to have fixed previous install bugs. This time the install went >> well.My audio works and I don't get a blank screen and hang after a >> reboot. >> >> I've usually installed Windows first then installed Linux and allowed >> the installer to find Windows to setup the dual boot. This time I am >> doing thing the other way around. > > Windows doesn't give a shit about other OSs nor the users interest in > those other OSs. So why would you make your life painful by doing it > in a way you know is simply stupid? I really didn't want to install windows, but unfortunately my trading platform only runs on windows so I need access to it on my laptop. I maybe give virtualbox a try first and see it I can live with the lag. > >> So what do I need to save, backup? How to I get grub repaired to dual >> boot? I am assuming Kubuntu 9.10 is using grub 2.0? > > Boot the installer, mount the Linux drives, chroot there, and reinstall > grub to the MBR and then figure out how to add the windows partition to > the grub menu if you don't have something like update-grub that might > do it automatically (It seems Debian testing/unstable at least can auto > detect windows partitions now and add them to grub's menu). > I know how to add the window partition to grub following what I have on my box which I can dual boot, my question should have been how to reinstall grub only from the live CD. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 16:14:10 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:14:10 -0200 Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <4B3E09AA.30204-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3C85D8.5090905@gmail.com> <20091231195817.GG8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B3E09AA.30204@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> Windows doesn't give a shit about other OSs nor the users interest in >> those other OSs. ?So why would you make your life painful by doing it >> in a way you know is simply stupid? > > I really didn't want to install windows, but unfortunately my trading > platform only runs on windows so I need access to it on my laptop. I maybe > give virtualbox a try first and see it I can live with the lag. Unless you want to run games or multimedia apps, Virtualbox will probably do the trick for you (unless you have less than 1Gb of RAM). BTW, did you try Wine first? The latest versions are quite impressive. FZ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 16:19:42 2010 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:19:42 -0500 Subject: Interested in a Cfengine book Message-ID: <20100101161942.GB7057@watson-wilon.ca> Greetings, I'd just like to take a quick pole on who would be interested in a Cfengine book if such a book were published, probably by O'Reilly. Sincerely, -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 16:29:03 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:29:03 -0200 Subject: Public, open-source related resolutions, anyone? In-Reply-To: <4B3D8413.5030005-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Well, I have a "framework" (finger-quotes necessary at this point) of scripts to automate the deployment and management of Amazon EC2 instances. If I can make it generic enough, it's going to be on github soon. FZ On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 3:11 AM, Madison Kelly wrote: > I shall resolve, publicly, to have the first version on my perl modules > released this year. For bonus points, I'll try to get the next beta version > of my backup program out this year, too. > > Anyone else care to make a public oss-related resolution for 2010? It will > be fun to revisit this thread at the end of the year. :) > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 16:40:55 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:40:55 -0200 Subject: Jolicloud: Rediscover your netbook In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912311118m52c7dc6dtd8d893e1c239233b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912311118m52c7dc6dtd8d893e1c239233b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 17:18, Michael Lauzon wrote: > > Just found out about this today, they have two versions, a normal > version and a pro version, the latter is a downloadable ISO, while the > former is an EXE that can be executed from within Windows: > > http://www.jolicloud.com/ I was about to give jolicloud a try some time ago, but then I got crunchbang installed on my netbook and I'm immensely happy with it. http://crunchbanglinux.org/ I own an eeepc 900 with 2GB ram. It's lovely, but you could fry an egg on it. -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 16:47:45 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:47:45 -0200 Subject: Public, open-source related resolutions, anyone? In-Reply-To: References: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Well, I don't know if this really fits in the category, but I'm planning to get a RHCE next month. I've postponed a LPIC for years (I expected my employers would pay it for me), and, well, damn it, I'll pay a RH for me. On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 14:29, Fabio FZero wrote: > Well, I have a "framework" (finger-quotes necessary at this point) of > scripts to automate the deployment and management of Amazon EC2 > instances. If I can make it generic enough, it's going to be on github > soon. > > FZ > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 3:11 AM, Madison Kelly wrote: >> I shall resolve, publicly, to have the first version on my perl modules >> released this year. For bonus points, I'll try to get the next beta version >> of my backup program out this year, too. >> >> Anyone else care to make a public oss-related resolution for 2010? It will >> be fun to revisit this thread at the end of the year. :) >> >> Madi >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 17:02:40 2010 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:02:40 +0000 Subject: Jolicloud: Rediscover your netbook In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3570912311118m52c7dc6dtd8d893e1c239233b@mail.gmail.com>, Message-ID: > From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:40:55 -0200 > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Jolicloud: Rediscover your netbook > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > In Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 17:18, Michael Lauzon wrote: > > > > Just found out about this today, they have two versions, a normal > > version and a pro version, the latter is a downloadable ISO, while the > > former is an EXE that can be executed from within Windows: > > > > http://www.jolicloud.com/ > > > I was about to give jolicloud a try some time ago, but then I got > crunchbang installed on my netbook and I'm immensely happy with it. > > http://crunchbanglinux.org/ > > I own an eeepc 900 with 2GB ram. It's lovely, but you could fry an egg on it. > That sounds like a feature. You get up in the morning and read the news online first thing, then fry an egg on the netbook while you're brewing the coffee, and presto... breakfast and a virtual newspaper :). That should cost extra. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 18:23:10 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:23:10 -0500 Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: References: <4B3C85D8.5090905@gmail.com> <20091231195817.GG8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B3E09AA.30204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3E3D8E.2010106@gmail.com> Fabio FZero wrote: > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >>> Windows doesn't give a shit about other OSs nor the users interest in >>> those other OSs. So why would you make your life painful by doing it >>> in a way you know is simply stupid? >> I really didn't want to install windows, but unfortunately my trading >> platform only runs on windows so I need access to it on my laptop. I maybe >> give virtualbox a try first and see it I can live with the lag. > > Unless you want to run games or multimedia apps, Virtualbox will > probably do the trick for you (unless you have less than 1Gb of RAM). > BTW, did you try Wine first? The latest versions are quite impressive. > > FZ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > It's very special purpose, needs to be fast & stable to send orders to market for trading. I think I'll just install Windows and get that out of the way. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 20:04:21 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:04:21 -0500 Subject: Favorite Linux innovation of 2009 In-Reply-To: <4B3D3EEE.7030304-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3D3EEE.7030304@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20100101200421.GH8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 07:16:46PM -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Richard Weait wrote: >> That's autotuning and it is beautifully parodied here (some NSFW >> language) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dqTrUpmwPg#t=02m06s > > I don't listen to the type of music that regularly makes use of > autotuning. I do remember the Cher song that used it (supposedly the > first to do so). It was the first to use it as a distorsion effect rather than a pitch correction tool. > After following the link to the autotuning video I discovered a video in > which Weird Al Yankovic helps explain autotune: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYzv-AVi78E&NR=1&feature=fvwp -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 20:08:32 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:08:32 -0500 Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <865955.54922.qm-Y34AK2gV3GwP4eY3Ra60wvu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 09:43:32PM -0800, William Park wrote: > This is one area where Windows/DOS does it right. Bootloader in MBR just > looks for active partition, and boots from that partition. So, install your Linux > boot loader in its own partition (say, /dev/sda2 or /dev/sdb1). Of course, > Windows and Linux on separate harddisk is the easiest way. You can then > choose which harddisk from BIOS boot menu. Well does it work with GPT or only DOS style partition tables? Swapping HD IDs from the BIOS can cause a serious mess. I don't do that. I used to install the bootloader in the linux partition, but some filesystems don't seem to support that, and everything seems to default to the MBR these days so I gave up on it. Also with DOS's fdisk it was easy to change the active partition back to the linux one, while with modern windows that is no longer a simple thing to do. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 20:10:25 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:10:25 -0500 Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <4B3E09AA.30204-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3C85D8.5090905@gmail.com> <20091231195817.GG8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B3E09AA.30204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100101201025.GJ8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 09:41:46AM -0500, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > I really didn't want to install windows, but unfortunately my trading > platform only runs on windows so I need access to it on my laptop. I > maybe give virtualbox a try first and see it I can live with the lag. kvm, kqemu, etc. Lots of good options. Not having to reboot to run an application is rather handy, and booting a virtual machine is often faster than booting on the hardware itself. > I know how to add the window partition to grub following what I have on > my box which I can dual boot, my question should have been how to > reinstall grub only from the live CD. Well the livecd should let you mount the HD and chroot to it to install the bootloader to the MBR again. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 20:55:35 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:55:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <20100101200832.GI8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <322848.57146.qm@web110809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > From: Lennart Sorensen > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 3:08:32 PM > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: dual booting > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 09:43:32PM -0800, William Park wrote: > > This is one area where Windows/DOS does it right. Bootloader in MBR just > > looks for active partition, and boots from that partition. So, install your Linux > > boot loader in its own partition (say, /dev/sda2 or /dev/sdb1). Of course, > > Windows and Linux on separate harddisk is the easiest way. You can then > > choose which harddisk from BIOS boot menu. > > Well does it work with GPT or only DOS style partition tables? > > Swapping HD IDs from the BIOS can cause a serious mess. I don't do that. My motherboard is Asus M2N-E (fairly old one). When I press during boot, I get a list of devices to boot from (ie. harddisks, cdroms). I did notice that Ubuntu, OpenSUSE (may be Fedora) change the name and then order of devices. But, Slackware and CentOS are predictable and familiar. Right now, my boot "tree" goes something like this: /dev/sdb -- /dev/sdb1 -- Slackware64 (my main) -- /dev/sda (jump to second harddisk MBR) -- /dev/hda (jump to first harddisk MBR) So, unattended boot ends up with Slackware64 on /dev/sdb1. I can boot from /dev/sda or /dev/hda, from LILO bootloader or from BIOS boot menu. Key insight is to have each harddisk or each partition be responsible for its own. However, GRUB only works when I boot into that harddisk directly from BIOS. LILO (Slackware is the only one using LILO) and Windows are more "tolerant"; I can boot them after 2 or 3 indirect steps. > > I used to install the bootloader in the linux partition, but some > filesystems don't seem to support that, and everything seems to default > to the MBR these days so I gave up on it. Also with DOS's fdisk it was > easy to change the active partition back to the linux one, while with > modern windows that is no longer a simple thing to do. Same here. I just give the whole harddisk to Windows, and let it do whatever to it. The same for Linux. Harddisks are cheap, especially if you don't throw way old disks. --William __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 20:58:40 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:58:40 -0500 Subject: Interested in a Cfengine book In-Reply-To: <20100101161942.GB7057-8agRmHhQ+n0LFV1hc+Bozg@public.gmane.org> References: <20100101161942.GB7057@watson-wilon.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Neil Watson wrote: > Greetings, > > I'd just like to take a quick pole on who would be interested in a > Cfengine book if such a book were published, probably by O'Reilly. I'd run my flag up that pole... -- http://linuxdatabases.info/info/cfengine.html Pablo Picasso - "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 22:36:04 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:36:04 -0500 Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <322848.57146.qm-Y34AK2gV3Gw5A34FEqDeB/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <322848.57146.qm@web110809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100101223604.GK8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 12:55:35PM -0800, William Park wrote: > My motherboard is Asus M2N-E (fairly old one). When I press during boot, > I get a list of devices to boot from (ie. harddisks, cdroms). I did notice that > Ubuntu, OpenSUSE (may be Fedora) change the name and then order of devices. > But, Slackware and CentOS are predictable and familiar. Well I no longer rely on device names. I use UUID for everything. Of course I also don't tend to have windows on my machine either. I think my laptop still has it installed, although I have no idea if it still boots. As for ordering that would be entirely dependant on the kernel, not the distribution (although whether the distribution uses udev or similar to manage device names is another story or if it uses labels or UUIDs for mounting). > Right now, my boot "tree" goes something like this: > /dev/sdb -- /dev/sdb1 -- Slackware64 (my main) > -- /dev/sda (jump to second harddisk MBR) > -- /dev/hda (jump to first harddisk MBR) > > So, unattended boot ends up with Slackware64 on /dev/sdb1. I can boot from > /dev/sda or /dev/hda, from LILO bootloader or from BIOS boot menu. Key > insight is to have each harddisk or each partition be responsible for its own. > > However, GRUB only works when I boot into that harddisk directly from BIOS. > LILO (Slackware is the only one using LILO) and Windows are more "tolerant"; > I can boot them after 2 or 3 indirect steps. I gave up on lilo many years ago. To inflexible. > Same here. I just give the whole harddisk to Windows, and let it do whatever > to it. The same for Linux. Harddisks are cheap, especially if you don't throw > way old disks. Most laptops only have one disk, so sharing is the only option. On a desktop you have more choices. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 1 23:41:47 2010 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:41:47 -0500 Subject: Getting my Accomdata external SATA drive to work In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880912311857q3b0b725aye2b050fe9da33586-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1262308956.12348.15.camel@aragorn> <32f6a8880912311857q3b0b725aye2b050fe9da33586@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1262389307.10526.4.camel@aragorn> On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 21:57 -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > blkid /dev/sda1 > actually, I wrote "sdb1", but no matter, since now it's "sbc4". I got no output at all from these blkid commands, but a look at the manpage told me that /etc/blkid.tab might have something interesting. So, I just did a "less" on that, and found the uuid that way. thanks Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tenger-P1ovA8G34VBEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 2 00:19:56 2010 From: tenger-P1ovA8G34VBEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org (Terrence Enger) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:19:56 -0500 Subject: Getting my Accomdata external SATA drive to work In-Reply-To: <1262389307.10526.4.camel@aragorn> References: <1262308956.12348.15.camel@aragorn> <32f6a8880912311857q3b0b725aye2b050fe9da33586@mail.gmail.com> <1262389307.10526.4.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: <1262391596.11711.3.camel@cougar-hardy> On Fri, 2010-01-01 at 18:41 -0500, Paul King wrote: > On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 21:57 -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > > > > blkid /dev/sda1 > > > > actually, I wrote "sdb1", but no matter, since now it's "sbc4". I got no > output at all from these blkid commands, You might try ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ Does that tell you anything helpful? There are other disk/by-* directories, too. Cheers, Terry. > but a look at the manpage told > me that /etc/blkid.tab might have something interesting. So, I just did > a "less" on that, and found the uuid that way. > > thanks > > Paul > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 2 00:27:46 2010 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:27:46 -0500 Subject: Public, open-source related resolutions, anyone? In-Reply-To: <4B3D8413.5030005-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B3E9302.1060302@linuxcaffe.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > Anyone else care to make a public oss-related resolution for 2010? Ok, I'll play I'm going to keep my eyes on the ball, stay out of the GUI as much as possible, use only tiling window managers, if I can help it, and to keep crashing away until I can gain some mastery of the LaTeX publishing arts. I'm gonna GTD and keep contributing to my fave task manager; taskwarrior.org I'm gonna document and delegate and take some time off! Ole! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 2 01:31:45 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:31:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <20100101223604.GK8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <322848.57146.qm@web110809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101223604.GK8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <645438.42057.qm@web110814.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > > Same here. I just give the whole harddisk to Windows, and let it do whatever > > to it. The same for Linux. Harddisks are cheap, especially if you don't throw > > way old disks. > > Most laptops only have one disk, so sharing is the only option. On a > desktop you have more choices. On laptop, you can still put Linux on USB disks. I used to do that with my Toshiba laptop. You just have to make sure that it can boot from USB harddisk. For example, my motherboard can boot from USB cdrom, but not from USB harddisk. Damned if I know why! --William __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 2 01:46:48 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:46:48 -0500 Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <20100101223604.GK8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <322848.57146.qm@web110809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101223604.GK8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B3EA588.4010407@gmail.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 12:55:35PM -0800, William Park wrote: >> My motherboard is Asus M2N-E (fairly old one). When I press during boot, >> I get a list of devices to boot from (ie. harddisks, cdroms). I did notice that >> Ubuntu, OpenSUSE (may be Fedora) change the name and then order of devices. >> But, Slackware and CentOS are predictable and familiar. > > Well I no longer rely on device names. I use UUID for everything. > Of course I also don't tend to have windows on my machine either. > I think my laptop still has it installed, although I have no idea if it > still boots. > > As for ordering that would be entirely dependant on the kernel, not the > distribution (although whether the distribution uses udev or similar > to manage device names is another story or if it uses labels or UUIDs > for mounting). > >> Right now, my boot "tree" goes something like this: >> /dev/sdb -- /dev/sdb1 -- Slackware64 (my main) >> -- /dev/sda (jump to second harddisk MBR) >> -- /dev/hda (jump to first harddisk MBR) >> >> So, unattended boot ends up with Slackware64 on /dev/sdb1. I can boot from >> /dev/sda or /dev/hda, from LILO bootloader or from BIOS boot menu. Key >> insight is to have each harddisk or each partition be responsible for its own. >> >> However, GRUB only works when I boot into that harddisk directly from BIOS. >> LILO (Slackware is the only one using LILO) and Windows are more "tolerant"; >> I can boot them after 2 or 3 indirect steps. > > I gave up on lilo many years ago. To inflexible. > >> Same here. I just give the whole harddisk to Windows, and let it do whatever >> to it. The same for Linux. Harddisks are cheap, especially if you don't throw >> way old disks. > > Most laptops only have one disk, so sharing is the only option. On a > desktop you have more choices. > F! Windows did not want to install, not sure why, but it kept hanging during booting off the CD. I tried another CD same thing. I had to wipe my entire drive, fdisk it and destroy all the partition before the CD was happy to install. I didn't have anything to lose other than time! So now Windows is getting install first on the 1st partition which I am guess is where it wants to F! belong??? Totally pissed, I had a nice Linux setup which I am going to have to recreate over again. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 2 16:28:06 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 14:28:06 -0200 Subject: semi-OT: multiple monitors with Dell Inspiron 530 In-Reply-To: <1f13df280912262031v39e0fc01p92c8b74728fa6403-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912262031v39e0fc01p92c8b74728fa6403@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 02:31, Giles Orr wrote: > The previously mentioned Samsung monitor is now attached to a Dell > Inspiron 530 (a desktop, not a laptop). ?The machine has built-in > Intel video, which would have worked fine for my purposes, except I > wanted dual head. ?So I bought a Nvidia 6200 based dual head PCI-E > card, which I've been reasonably happy with. ?I already have two LCDs > attached to the Dell, but it would appear that it's impossible to add > a third to this machine. ?I've updated the BIOS to the latest version > and it's still impossible to use the onboard and PCI-E video cards at > Is there any way to get around this? ?So far I've come up with "never > buy Dell again" - I'm not just forestalling Lennart here, I'm totally > disgusted with them. ?The one good thing about this machine is the > 2.4GHz C2Q chip, which is wonderful. ?The only other option seems to > be buying a new mobo. ?But that would recommend a new case, and > probably a new video card, memory ... oh wait, that's practically > buying a new computer. ?So no, I don't want to follow that route just > yet. ?But I'd really like to have three monitors ... I have a Dell optiplex workstation at work with an ATI Dual-head video board. I had some hard time configuring it, but some time ago finally got it working. I know your configs are completely different, but, if you want my xorg.conf for reference http://renata.org/post/dois-monitores-com-video-intel-no-linux/ (It's in pt-br, but what matters is the xorg.conf. I use Ubuntu at work and I can translate the post if someone is interested. And although the title says "intel" it is indeed ATI - my notebook uses intel and I got confused when I wrote the text. No donut for me) -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rdice-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 2 18:51:31 2010 From: rdice-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Dice) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:51:31 -0500 Subject: deciphering Dell's online store with regards to pre-installing RHEL Message-ID: <5bef4baf1001021051m2667a777pffb403f76baf66af@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone, I'm in the process of investigating a server purchase, and one of the options I am considering is a Dell tower (server configuration) pre-installed with RHEL 5.3. When looking at the options they provide on this item, here are two of the choices: * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.3, 2S, FI x64, 3yr, Auto-Entitle, Lic & Media (About $1300 for 3 years) * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 53AP, x32&x64, 3yr, FI x64, Auto-Entitle (About $3500 for 3 years) I've got to say, I'm disappointed that Dell's web site doesn't offer some kind of "What's this?" documentation next to each option. I'm hoping some of you smart and experienced folks out there can offer some help along these lines regarding the "shorthand" terms in the two line-items. Specifically, what is "5.3 vs 53AP"? (I.e. What is "AP"?) What is 2S? (Good for up to 2 sockets, maybe?) What's with the second option talking about x32 and x64, considering that the server's CPU architecture is going to be x86_64 either way? What does "FI" mean? Many thanks, - Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 2 19:16:30 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 14:16:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <20100101200832.GI8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 09:43:32PM -0800, William Park wrote: ... | > Windows and Linux on separate harddisk is the easiest way. You can then | > choose which harddisk from BIOS boot menu. | | Well does it work with GPT or only DOS style partition tables? GPT is a bit of a mystery to me. Not so much the theory. Just which tools and environments work with GPT? Should we all switch to GPT and be done with the old style? | Swapping HD IDs from the BIOS can cause a serious mess. I don't do that. Yeah. I had one machine set up that way. Mostly because I found Vista so unwilling to survive a Linux installation. When I asked the BIOS to boot from the second (Linux) drive, drive naming in Linux changed. So I had to patch up the installation. This was over a year ago, so I don't remember what I had to change, but I think it was /boot/grub/{menu.txt,grub.conf}. Using UUID in /etc/fstab should fix any problems there. I don't want to install a second drive to dual boot. I keep Windows if it was bundled with the machine, but I don't want to waste a whole drive on it. All I seem to do with MS Windows is apply updates (to Windows and to firmware). When I've installed Linux on a system with pre-installed Vista, the main problem is with resizing the Vista partition. Vista itself can resize, but it never seems willing to give up much space. Ubuntu's partition editor (gparted, I think) can resize Vista partitions, but it damages them. What works for me is to do the resize in Ubuntu and immediately reboot Vista; it will complain and then fix up the partition. Then it is safe to install Linux. | I used to install the bootloader in the linux partition, but some | filesystems don't seem to support that, and everything seems to default | to the MBR these days so I gave up on it. Also with DOS's fdisk it was | easy to change the active partition back to the linux one, while with | modern windows that is no longer a simple thing to do. What filesystems don't leave the first sector as a boot record? I try to install bootloaders on the boot record of the partition. Unfortunately, some Linux installers (Fedora 11 and 12, and maybe some Ubuntus) claim to be willing to do this but have curdled the MBR in the process. I've not dug into this because testing is so laborious. I think (but do not know) that the traditional MBR can only boot from a primary or extended partition's boot record, not a logical partition's boot record. But Grub and LILO can chainload from any of those. I often have several Linux installations on a system. There are at most 4 primary partitions, and at most 3 if there is an extended partition. MS Windows typically takes 1 or 2 primary partitions (one for the NTFS filesystem and one for the restore partition). So some of my Linux installations end up in logical partions. Why do I have multiple Linux installations? Because I almost never upgrade an installation -- I create a parallel installation of the newer version. Then, if the new one is unsatisfactory, I can still run the old one. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 2 19:17:48 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 14:17:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <322848.57146.qm-Y34AK2gV3Gw5A34FEqDeB/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <322848.57146.qm@web110809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: | From: William Park | However, GRUB only works when I boot into that harddisk directly from BIOS. | LILO (Slackware is the only one using LILO) and Windows are more "tolerant"; | I can boot them after 2 or 3 indirect steps. I wonder why. I regularly chainload Grubs. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 2 19:23:51 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 14:23:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: deciphering Dell's online store with regards to pre-installing RHEL In-Reply-To: <5bef4baf1001021051m2667a777pffb403f76baf66af-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <5bef4baf1001021051m2667a777pffb403f76baf66af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Richard Dice Dell's explanations are sometimes mysterious. Sometimes I've found more explanations on the US site (but not on the parallel page). Dell does answer the phone for presales questions and there is also some kind of chat you can use, at least for consumer products. If I were to guess, I'd say "FI" might mean "Factory Install". Since the licenses differ so much in price, the differences must be important. It is probably critical for you to understand the licenses anyway, so you shouldn't count on our answers. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rdice-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 2 19:33:28 2010 From: rdice-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Dice) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 14:33:28 -0500 Subject: deciphering Dell's online store with regards to pre-installing RHEL In-Reply-To: References: <5bef4baf1001021051m2667a777pffb403f76baf66af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bef4baf1001021133l36b39225w4d8285efca630332@mail.gmail.com> Hugh, Thank you for your feedback. Talking with Dell pre-sales is certainly on my to-do list. I just wanted to wait until Monday-Friday before talking with them. Sales people take time off, but TLUG never sleeps. :-) Since the licenses differ so much in price, the differences must be > important. My guess right now is that it's the difference between the RHEL licenses that I can buy as a consumer for $400/year that give me next-to-no tech support, and those that do provide tech support, which are more like $2500/year. (Prices correspond to my vague memory on this stuff from the last time I checked this out, about 2 years ago.) In fact, your email prompted me to dig around in the Red Hat web site, where this can be found: http://www.redhat.com/rhel/purchasing_guide.html AP seem to mean "Advanced Platform", which means it has no limit to the # of processors on your board (whereas the basic RHEL is 2-sockets-only [therefore the "2S" in the Dell line item]) or how many virtual machines it will support, and AP has at minimum "standard" support, whereas basic RHEL comes default with "basic" support. It is probably critical for you to understand the licenses > anyway, so you shouldn't count on our answers. > I won't be buying anything before I understand it fully (+/- delta). Your advice here is spot on IMHO. Cheers, - Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 2 20:20:57 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:20:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <322848.57146.qm@web110809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <764481.29370.qm@web110802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > From: D. Hugh Redelmeier > > | From: William Park > > | However, GRUB only works when I boot into that harddisk directly from BIOS. > | LILO (Slackware is the only one using LILO) and Windows are more "tolerant"; > | I can boot them after 2 or 3 indirect steps. > > I wonder why. I regularly chainload Grubs. Probably, because I jump from LILO, then to old MBR, and then to GRUB. --William __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tug.williams-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 2 20:30:53 2010 From: tug.williams-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (tug williams) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:30:53 -0600 Subject: which USB GPS device should I buy? Message-ID: <4B3FACFD.3000005@gmail.com> Can anyone recommend a usb gps receiver? I'm planning on using gpscorrelate (http://freefoote.dview.net/linux_gpscorr.html) to link location with photos. Thanks Tug -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 2 20:38:41 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:38:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <527976.92200.qm@web110806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > From: D. Hugh Redelmeier > > Why do I have multiple Linux installations? Because I almost never > upgrade an installation -- I create a parallel installation of the > newer version. Then, if the new one is unsatisfactory, I can still > run the old one. I have bunch of partitions with various Linux distros, but that's just for trying out hardware/software stuffs, most recently Wireless PCI cards. NOTE: If your wireless is not working in 2.6.32.x, then turn the power management off! I don't know why, because it works in 2.6.31.x. Now, I'm playing with VirtualBox (www.virtualbox.org). God, it's slow... My cpu is single-core AMD64 2.4GHz (LE-1620, 45W), but it can't this slow. --William __________________________________________________________________ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 06:47:47 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 01:47:47 -0500 Subject: GIMP digital-photo-noise-reduction questions Message-ID: <20100103064747.GA3108@waltdnes.org> I've gotten myself a new Pentax K-X camera, and I'm trying out various settings. On a camera forum, people have suggested that a program like GIMP or imagemagick can do a better job of noise reduction than the built-in de-noiser firmware. I've turned off the de-noiser, and taken sample shots at all ISO settings, which I've uploaded JPEGS of to the "initial" folder at... > http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=ebf53a21c2247895d0d290dca69ceb5cf761ff1a36003591ef687f17504eae2e There are a few noise-removal options I'm aware of... - a basic de-noiser setting in the UFRAW plugin - GMIC plugin - maybe others And because the noise-removal softens the picture, I need to use - filters => enhance => sharpen (or unsharp mask) They all seem to take some numeric parameters, which I don't understand. Can someone point me to tutorials for these or other noise-removal options? Under linux, of course . -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 11:51:53 2010 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 03:51:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Is there interest in a talk on clustering? In-Reply-To: <4B2BBC06.9040608-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2BBC06.9040608@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <231348.14601.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 12/18/09, Madison Kelly wrote: > From: Madison Kelly > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Is there interest in a talk on clustering? > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Friday, December 18, 2009, 12:29 PM > James Knott wrote: > > Yanni Chiu wrote: > >> Madison Kelly wrote: > >>> Noted, I'll keep the Xen portion to a minimum > or out all together. My only real interest with Xen at this > point was to introduce the networking aspect of Xen in a > cluster, but if Xen has been covered, then I may not need to > bring it up. > >> > >> +1 on the clustering talk, and agree that Xen is a > separate topic. > >> > >> Would a bunch of old x86 boxes, plus an old > network hub, be enough hardware to set up a cluster > sandbox? > >> > > Get rid of the hub and use a switch.? A hub will > really kill network performance when you have a lot of > traffic. > > He's talking about for demo reasons. Now, I agree, in this > day even cheap switches are easily had. However, for demo > purposes "Does it work?" is enough. Unfortunately, as I said > to him, I need mainboards with IPMI capabilities. > > I've priced out what I need for my own training purposes, > so it's just a question of money before I can get it. I am > also waiting until I've got as many bugs squashed as I can > in a fully virtualized environment. This way, when I do > invest in the hardware, it will be a relatively short (I > hope!) time before I can put it to use properly. > For the demo, you should be able to run the cluster within a virtual network. I had run a cluster within a Virtualbox network. > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 15:17:08 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:17:08 -0500 Subject: GIMP digital-photo-noise-reduction questions In-Reply-To: <20100103064747.GA3108-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20100103064747.GA3108@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4B40B4F4.8060408@utoronto.ca> Walter Dnes wrote: > I've gotten myself a new Pentax K-X camera, and I'm trying out various > settings. On a camera forum, people have suggested that a program like > GIMP or imagemagick can do a better job of noise reduction than the > built-in de-noiser firmware. I've turned off the de-noiser, and taken > sample shots at all ISO settings, which I've uploaded JPEGS of to the > "initial" folder at... >> http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=ebf53a21c2247895d0d290dca69ceb5cf761ff1a36003591ef687f17504eae2e > > There are a few noise-removal options I'm aware of... > - a basic de-noiser setting in the UFRAW plugin > - GMIC plugin > - maybe others > > And because the noise-removal softens the picture, I need to use > > - filters => enhance => sharpen (or unsharp mask) > > They all seem to take some numeric parameters, which I don't > understand. Can someone point me to tutorials for these or other > noise-removal options? Under linux, of course . > The UFRaw denoise is a pared down version of gimp's wavelet denoise plugin I think. I tend to denoise with wavelet denoise in the gimp, though it's rather complicated and every image requires different settings. There's also GREYCstoration, another gimp plugin that is well regarded. The image you uploaded looks good at iso 1600 (haven't checked beyond that) and I think that the K-X is known for it's excellent noise characteristics throughout it's iso range. Once you hit iso 800/1600 or beyond, on any camera, there will be noise that you can reduce using those plugins. My workflow usually works like this: 1) shoot everything raw 2) open in ufraw, adjust everything possible there (apart from noise). check the auto exposure adjustments, auto saturation etc. just to get a feel for the image, then tweak or reset things accordingly. 3) export to the gimp, whereupon I check the auto levels again to see what the gimp thinks. reset or adjust accordingly. 4) do some healing to get rid of dust, dead pixels etc., resize, correct for distortions, rotate and whatever else. 5a) denoise with wavelet denoise if applicable. 5b) unsharp mask (it should always be the last step). Anywhere from 25/0.25 to 4/0.40 on my K20D works well - try using 3/0.30 as a baseline and see what you think on your K-X (usm is sensor and resolution dependent, e.g. more megapixels = more usm). Keep in mind thoughh that noise can be a great part of the image and can be used creatively - I've tried to do that in these 2 photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamonation/3184501781/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamonation/4110205713/ My strategy with my K20D is to not worry about it, or use a tripod. Also, noise is much less apparent in a print than on a screen when pixel peeping ;) My $0.02, hope it helps. http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/ will be a great spot to frequent as well, plenty of Linux folk around there too. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 15:31:36 2010 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:31:36 -0500 Subject: CityNews from Linux Cafe Message-ID: Anybody notice that CityNews' weather forecast at 11:00 last night was from the Linux Cafe? They had a giant Tux on screen, saying only a penguin would find a night that cold to be nice and warm. -- Stephen Fry: It is not science that is arrogant: science can be defined as ?humility before the facts? ? it is those who refuse to submit to testing and make unsubstantiated claims that are arrogant. Arrogant and unjust. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 15:37:42 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:37:42 -0500 Subject: Public, open-source related resolutions, anyone? In-Reply-To: <4B3E9302.1060302-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> <4B3E9302.1060302@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <20100103153742.GL8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 07:27:46PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: >> Anyone else care to make a public oss-related resolution for 2010? > > Ok, I'll play > I'm going to keep my eyes on the ball, stay out of the GUI as much as > possible, use only tiling window managers, if I can help it, and to keep > crashing away until I can gain some mastery of the LaTeX publishing arts. Hmm, I consider tiling window managers a failed concept. The ones I have tried break too many applications. Not everything is an xterm or a web browser. > I'm gonna GTD and keep contributing to my fave task manager; taskwarrior.org > > I'm gonna document > and delegate > and take some time off! -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 15:40:14 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:40:14 -0500 Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <4B3EA588.4010407-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <322848.57146.qm@web110809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101223604.GK8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B3EA588.4010407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100103154014.GM8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 08:46:48PM -0500, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > F! Windows did not want to install, not sure why, but it kept hanging > during booting off the CD. I tried another CD same thing. I had to wipe > my entire drive, fdisk it and destroy all the partition before the CD > was happy to install. I didn't have anything to lose other than time! So > now Windows is getting install first on the 1st partition which I am > guess is where it wants to F! belong??? Windows does insist on having the first entry in the partition table (or the first two in case of 64bit windows). > Totally pissed, I had a nice Linux setup which I am going to have to > recreate over again. Well at least you learned something. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 15:53:47 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:53:47 -0500 Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100103155347.GN8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 02:16:30PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > GPT is a bit of a mystery to me. Not so much the theory. Just which > tools and environments work with GPT? Should we all switch to GPT and > be done with the old style? Pretty soon you will have to. DOS style partitions can not go larger than 2TB drives. I have already had to start using GPT on raids. > Yeah. I had one machine set up that way. Mostly because I found > Vista so unwilling to survive a Linux installation. Well gparted can resize vista's ntfs. The vista bootloader is extremely picky about the filesystem details, and often resizing the partition makes it stop booting. Booting the install DVD and running the boot repair fixes it though, so it isn't that hard to deal with (other than the fact most machines don't ship with a real isntall DVD). > When I asked the BIOS to boot from the second (Linux) drive, drive > naming in Linux changed. So I had to patch up the installation. This > was over a year ago, so I don't remember what I had to change, but I > think it was /boot/grub/{menu.txt,grub.conf}. Using UUID in > /etc/fstab should fix any problems there. Certainsly helps. > I don't want to install a second drive to dual boot. I keep Windows > if it was bundled with the machine, but I don't want to waste a whole > drive on it. All I seem to do with MS Windows is apply updates (to > Windows and to firmware). Hmm, many systems seem able to do bios updates from the bios directly using a USB key. > When I've installed Linux on a system with pre-installed Vista, the > main problem is with resizing the Vista partition. Vista itself can > resize, but it never seems willing to give up much space. Ubuntu's > partition editor (gparted, I think) can resize Vista partitions, but > it damages them. What works for me is to do the resize in Ubuntu and > immediately reboot Vista; it will complain and then fix up the > partition. Then it is safe to install Linux. The resize in vista only shrinks the partition without moving data, gparted has no issue moving data. Using the boot repair will always fix it after a resize. If you don't have a real vista DVD then there is fortunately a repair CD for vista that contains the needed tools. See here for example: http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/windows-vista-recovery-disc-download/ > What filesystems don't leave the first sector as a boot record? I don't remember if btrfs does. I was probably thinking more of grub's stage 1.5 which is not 1 sector in size. Not that the MBR helps with that either. > I try to install bootloaders on the boot record of the partition. > Unfortunately, some Linux installers (Fedora 11 and 12, and maybe some > Ubuntus) claim to be willing to do this but have curdled the MBR in > the process. I've not dug into this because testing is so laborious. > > I think (but do not know) that the traditional MBR can only boot from > a primary or extended partition's boot record, not a logical > partition's boot record. But Grub and LILO can chainload from any of > those. Correct, only a primary partition can be booted from by the MBR. Debian includes a tool with a better MBR that has the ability to boot from any partition using a little menu. I used to use that a lot. > I often have several Linux installations on a system. There are at > most 4 primary partitions, and at most 3 if there is an extended > partition. MS Windows typically takes 1 or 2 primary partitions (one > for the NTFS filesystem and one for the restore partition). So some > of my Linux installations end up in logical partions. > > Why do I have multiple Linux installations? Because I almost never > upgrade an installation -- I create a parallel installation of the > newer version. Then, if the new one is unsatisfactory, I can still > run the old one. Sounds very time consuming and like a waste of disk space. I always upgrade and so far that hasn't failed me yet (well since I moved to Debian in 1999 that is, before that upgrades of redhat often made a mess). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From pete-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 16:08:02 2010 From: pete-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Pete Lancashire) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 08:08:02 -0800 Subject: From another group: Help save MySQL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hope not considered spam .. ---------------------- From: monty-V9mUxPfawSOXDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org [monty-V9mUxPfawSOXDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org] Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 9:27 p.m. Subject: Help save MySQL; Sign the petition Hi! I am contacting you because you have in the past shown interest in MySQL and from that I assume you are interested in the future well-being of MySQL. Now you have a unique opportunity to make a difference. By signing the petition at http://www.helpmysql.org you can help affect the future of MySQL as an Open Source database. You can find more information of this on my latest blog post at: http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-keep-internet-free.html Help us spread the world about this petition! http://www.helpmysql.org is available in 18 languages and every vote is important, independent of from where in the world it comes! If you know people that are using MySQL, please contact them and ensure they also sign the petition! Regards, Monty Creator of MySQL -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 15:55:33 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:55:33 -0500 Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <527976.92200.qm-Y34AK2gV3GwHBU+L9ui1Svu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <527976.92200.qm@web110806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100103155533.GO8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 12:38:41PM -0800, William Park wrote: > I have bunch of partitions with various Linux distros, but that's just for > trying out hardware/software stuffs, most recently Wireless PCI cards. > > NOTE: If your wireless is not working in 2.6.32.x, then turn the power > management off! I don't know why, because it works in 2.6.31.x. Yeah I noticed that too. Some wifi drivers don't seem to work right with power management. > Now, I'm playing with VirtualBox (www.virtualbox.org). God, it's slow... > My cpu is single-core AMD64 2.4GHz (LE-1620, 45W), but it can't this slow. Did you try kvm? I think that CPU should run kvm. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 16:29:45 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:29:45 -0500 Subject: From another group: Help save MySQL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <491f66a51001030829p2f2a5d5bi2d09a508d53024c1@mail.gmail.com> Perhaps he should have considered this *before* he took their money. --dc-- On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote: > hope not considered spam .. > > ---------------------- > From: monty-V9mUxPfawSOXDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org [monty-V9mUxPfawSOXDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org] > Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 9:27 p.m. > Subject: Help save MySQL; Sign the petition > > Hi! > > I am contacting you because you have in the past shown interest in > MySQL and from that I assume you are interested in the future > well-being of MySQL. > > Now you have a unique opportunity to make a difference. ?By signing > the petition at http://www.helpmysql.org you can help affect the > future of MySQL as an Open Source database. > > You can find more information of this on my latest blog post at: > http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-keep-internet-free.html > > Help us spread the world about this petition! > http://www.helpmysql.org is available in 18 languages and every vote > is important, independent of from where in the world it comes! > If you know people that are using MySQL, please contact them and > ensure they also sign the petition! > > Regards, > Monty > Creator of MySQL > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 16:36:03 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:36:03 -0500 Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <20100103154014.GM8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <322848.57146.qm@web110809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101223604.GK8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B3EA588.4010407@gmail.com> <20100103154014.GM8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B40C773.1050300@gmail.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 08:46:48PM -0500, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> F! Windows did not want to install, not sure why, but it kept hanging >> during booting off the CD. I tried another CD same thing. I had to wipe >> my entire drive, fdisk it and destroy all the partition before the CD >> was happy to install. I didn't have anything to lose other than time! So >> now Windows is getting install first on the 1st partition which I am >> guess is where it wants to F! belong??? > > Windows does insist on having the first entry in the partition table > (or the first two in case of 64bit windows). > >> Totally pissed, I had a nice Linux setup which I am going to have to >> recreate over again. > > Well at least you learned something. :) > Ya I am getting really good at installing Linux too =P -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 16:37:18 2010 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:37:18 -0500 Subject: CityNews from Linux Cafe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B40C7BE.9050101@linuxcaffe.ca> Gary Layng wrote: > Anybody notice that CityNews' weather forecast at 11:00 last night > was from the Linux Cafe? I noticed, but only cuz I was workin it. How did it look ? Bustling ? Inviting ? Cold on the outside, warm on the inside ? djp > > They had a giant Tux on screen, saying only a penguin would find a > night that cold to be nice and warm. and in that, they would be correct ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 16:43:28 2010 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:43:28 -0500 Subject: Public, open-source related resolutions, anyone? In-Reply-To: <20100103153742.GL8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> <4B3E9302.1060302@linuxcaffe.ca> <20100103153742.GL8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B40C930.6080208@linuxcaffe.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Hmm, I consider tiling window managers a failed concept. The ones I > have tried break too many applications. Not everything is an xterm or > a web browser. Aye, there's the rub. While I AM moving towards "everything is an xterm, or a browser", wmii (what I use now) can be a bit crashy when dragging or zooming. I'm gonna give i3 a shot, but in general I find that a tiling wm really allows me to be more task-oriented, and I spend less time asking myself.. "I was doing something.. what window was that ?" djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 16:52:53 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:52:53 -0500 Subject: From another group: Help save MySQL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B40CB65.4090709@gmail.com> Pete Lancashire wrote: > hope not considered spam .. > > ---------------------- > From: monty-V9mUxPfawSOXDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org [monty-V9mUxPfawSOXDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org] > Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 9:27 p.m. > Subject: Help save MySQL; Sign the petition > > Hi! > > I am contacting you because you have in the past shown interest in > MySQL and from that I assume you are interested in the future > well-being of MySQL. > > Now you have a unique opportunity to make a difference. By signing > the petition at http://www.helpmysql.org you can help affect the > future of MySQL as an Open Source database. > > You can find more information of this on my latest blog post at: > http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-keep-internet-free.html > > Help us spread the world about this petition! > http://www.helpmysql.org is available in 18 languages and every vote > is important, independent of from where in the world it comes! > If you know people that are using MySQL, please contact them and > ensure they also sign the petition! > > Regards, > Monty > Creator of MySQL > Nice case study on how not to pooche an opensource project, kudos to Monty and his gang! -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 17:04:32 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:04:32 -0200 Subject: Public, open-source related resolutions, anyone? In-Reply-To: <4B40C930.6080208-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> <4B3E9302.1060302@linuxcaffe.ca> <20100103153742.GL8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B40C930.6080208@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 14:43, David J Patrick wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >> Hmm, I consider tiling window managers a failed concept. ?The ones I >> have tried break too many applications. ?Not everything is an xterm or >> a web browser. > > Aye, there's the rub. While I AM moving towards "everything is an xterm, or > a browser", wmii (what I use now) can be a bit crashy when dragging or > zooming. I'm gonna give i3 a shot, but in general I find that a tiling wm > really allows me to be more task-oriented, and I spend less time asking > myself.. "I was doing something.. what window was that ?" > djp I believe most of us are moving towards "everything is an xterm or a browser". The only non-browser thing I still use in a daily basis is audacious. Ok, not so daily, as I have played things from blip or youtube - the browser is winning. -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 17:26:45 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:26:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: From another group: Help save MySQL In-Reply-To: <491f66a51001030829p2f2a5d5bi2d09a508d53024c1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <491f66a51001030829p2f2a5d5bi2d09a508d53024c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Dave Cramer | Perhaps he should have considered this *before* he took their money. I never felt comfortable with the dual-license model. Both Asterix and MySQL are problematic. But I do understand why the developers decided to do this. The threat Monty identifies comes out of the dual license model. The threat also comes out of the nature of competition and monopolies. I don't think that Oracle should be able to buy MySQL to reduce competition. The incentives for Oracle just work the wrong way for MySQL users and contributors. I cannot sign the petition since I don't use MySQL for profesionally. People I trust recommend PostgreSQL over MySQL and I like its license better. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 17:33:31 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:33:31 -0500 Subject: [Bulk]From another group: Help save MySQL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B40D4EB.5010007@rogers.com> I signed the petition. Can someone explain how Oracle can threaten an Open Source database? Can someone, like me, not just grab all the source code and use it as I please, subject to the GPL? I did read mention of patents. Is this the issue? How can patents come out of an open source project? Thanks for replies. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 17:35:40 2010 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:35:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Public, open-source related resolutions, anyone? In-Reply-To: References: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> <4B3E9302.1060302@linuxcaffe.ca> <20100103153742.GL8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B40C930.6080208@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, Renata Rocha wrote: > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 14:43, David J Patrick wrote: > > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> > >> Hmm, I consider tiling window managers a failed concept. The ones I > >> have tried break too many applications. Not everything is an xterm or > >> a web browser. > > > > Aye, there's the rub. While I AM moving towards "everything is an xterm, or > > a browser", wmii (what I use now) can be a bit crashy when dragging or > > zooming. I'm gonna give i3 a shot, but in general I find that a tiling wm > > really allows me to be more task-oriented, and I spend less time asking > > myself.. "I was doing something.. what window was that ?" > > djp > > I believe most of us are moving towards "everything is an xterm or a > browser". The only non-browser thing I still use in a daily basis is > audacious. On my machines there is a lot that is neither a browser nor an xterm. I do have a dozen or so xterm (actually rxvt and mrxvt) windows open, and one or two browsers, but I also have several other apps open most of the time: emacs gv (ghostview) 9menu (both the original and a modified version, yamenu) gentoo (file manager) xmms These are often but not always open: xboard (with or without gnuchess) gimp mplayer xv/display xpdf -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 17:56:09 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:56:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Bulk]From another group: Help save MySQL In-Reply-To: <4B40D4EB.5010007-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B40D4EB.5010007@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, Stephen wrote: > Can someone explain how Oracle can threaten an Open Source database? Hi Stephen. The argument pertains to 'mind share'. First off it is worth noting that MySQL is distributed under a dual licencing model. MySQL AB (the company) and its successors required reassignment of copyright to the company for any contributions. This is so that they are free to release the code under a non-OSS licence without having to seek the permission of other copyright holders. This arrangement is fairly unusual among OSS projects but it seems to have worked well for MySQL up to this point. The copyright holder could choose to only release future versions under a closed source licence but that would still leave current & past versions OSS. Sun currently owns the name MySQL, associated images, trademarks and parents. This would all go to Oracle in the purchase. > Can someone, like me, not just grab all the source code and use it as I > please, subject to the GPL? If Oracle decided not to release MySQL under an OSS licence in the future then a code forked version could of course continue under an OSS licence but it would do so under a new name. There is an argument (that I don't necessarily agree with) that a code forked version is at a disadvantage because the name as mind share, especially among those who are not OSS geeks. I'm not convinced this is a big problem as plenty of projects have forked (under new names) and taken a good deal of the developer and user community with them. Examples in clude OpenBSD forking from NetBSD & LedgerSMB forking from SQL-Ledger. In effect developers and users find the tool that fits their needs and they use it. > I did read mention of patents. Is this the issue? I believe it could be an issue if the patent holder (Sun/Oracle) decided to use the patent against a forked project. My understanding is that merely failing to defend a patent eventually invalidates it so it is unclear to me if the patent threat is real. In any case I think the current patent system has so many problems that I believe a lot of corporations are acting like we have a working patent system when I'm not convinced it is working at all. It's been estimated that any sizable software project is violating a patent somewhere since there are so many these days and they are so easy to get. > How can patents come out of an open source project? I'm not even going to attempt to answer that ;) IANAL. Rob -- I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy http://www.practicalsysadmin.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 18:14:08 2010 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:14:08 -0500 Subject: CityNews from Linux Cafe In-Reply-To: <4B40C7BE.9050101-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B40C7BE.9050101@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: Friendly and warm on the inside, Extreme Cold Alert on the outside... and the poor shivering weather reporter was outside. ^_^ On January 3, 2010 11:37:18 am you wrote: > Gary Layng wrote: > > Anybody notice that CityNews' weather forecast at 11:00 last night > > was from the Linux Cafe? > > I noticed, but only cuz I was workin it. > How did it look ? Bustling ? Inviting ? > Cold on the outside, warm on the inside ? > djp > > > They had a giant Tux on screen, saying only a penguin would find a > > night that cold to be nice and warm. > > and in that, they would be correct ;-) > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Stephen Fry: It is not science that is arrogant: science can be defined as ?humility before the facts? ? it is those who refuse to submit to testing and make unsubstantiated claims that are arrogant. Arrogant and unjust. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 19:01:04 2010 From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:01:04 -0500 Subject: NewTLUG meetings? Message-ID: The TLUG main page is showing May 2009 as the next NewTLUG meeting. Any updates for that? Has NewTLUG gone into hiatus? http://gtalug.org/wiki/Main_Page -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 19:40:42 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:40:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <20100103155347.GN8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100103155347.GN8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <49520.28188.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > From: Lennart Sorensen > > On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 02:16:30PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > > I think (but do not know) that the traditional MBR can only boot from > > a primary or extended partition's boot record, not a logical > > partition's boot record. But Grub and LILO can chainload from any of > > those. > > Correct, only a primary partition can be booted from by the MBR. > Debian includes a tool with a better MBR that has the ability to boot > from any partition using a little menu. I used to use that a lot. Hmm... not sure about GRUB, but LILO can install "generic" bootloader which can boot from logical partition: lilo -M /dev/hda ext # default is "mbr" argument lilo -A /dev/hda 11 # sets hda11 active. you can do this in "fdisk" also. --William __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 20:24:20 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:24:20 -0500 Subject: CityNews from Linux Cafe In-Reply-To: References: <4B40C7BE.9050101@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Gary Layng wrote: > Friendly and warm on the inside, Extreme Cold Alert on the > outside... and the poor shivering weather reporter was outside. ??? -10C is "Extreme Cold" ??? Is this what convinced Mayor Lastman to call up the Army that time we had a bit of snow??? Yes, it's no longer "fall jacket" time, but it's not as if it's a crisp day at -45 in Saskatoon... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Ted Turner - "Sports is like a war without the killing." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/ted_turner.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 20:25:23 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:25:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <20100103155533.GO8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <527976.92200.qm@web110806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100103155533.GO8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <110224.49500.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > From: Lennart Sorensen > > On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 12:38:41PM -0800, William Park wrote: > > I have bunch of partitions with various Linux distros, but that's just for > > trying out hardware/software stuffs, most recently Wireless PCI cards. > > > > NOTE: If your wireless is not working in 2.6.32.x, then turn the power > > management off! I don't know why, because it works in 2.6.31.x. > > Yeah I noticed that too. Some wifi drivers don't seem to work right > with power management. > > > Now, I'm playing with VirtualBox (www.virtualbox.org). God, it's slow... > > My cpu is single-core AMD64 2.4GHz (LE-1620, 45W), but it can't this slow. > > Did you try kvm? I think that CPU should run kvm. That's next in my list. I admit "virtualization" is useful for application testing. But, it's useless for hardware testing (like the wireless problem above). And, I'm not sure about its cost-effectiveness that's advertised. Netbooks/nettops are getting better and cheaper by the months. My computer is almost max'ed out... full 8GB memory, all Samsung Spinpoint F3 harddisks (which are the best of non-SSD kinds). I could upgrade to quad-core, but even if I get 4x linear improvement, it won't be enough. I guess I can go with a full-loaded i7 machine. But, my VW diesel doesn't need a block heater. --William __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 21:12:31 2010 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:12:31 -0500 Subject: NewTLUG meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes NewTLUG is on a indefinite hiatus. There was an issue with locating a venue. Something about someone leaving IBM and the one at YorkU never had good attendance. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > The TLUG main page is showing May 2009 as the next NewTLUG meeting. > Any updates for that? ?Has NewTLUG gone into hiatus? > > http://gtalug.org/wiki/Main_Page > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Myles Braithwaite me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org http://mylesbraithwaite.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 22:30:20 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:30:20 -0500 Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <110224.49500.qm-XyciXz+oX7g/JfqJOfUXs/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <527976.92200.qm@web110806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100103155533.GO8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <110224.49500.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 3:25 PM, William Park wrote: > I admit "virtualization" is useful for application testing. ?But, it's useless for > hardware testing (like the wireless problem above). ?And, I'm not sure about > its cost-effectiveness that's advertised. Netbooks/nettops are getting better > and cheaper by the months. > > My computer is almost max'ed out... full 8GB memory, all Samsung Spinpoint > F3 harddisks (which are the best of non-SSD kinds). ?I could upgrade to > quad-core, but even if I get 4x linear improvement, it won't be enough. > I guess I can go with a full-loaded i7 machine. ?But, my VW diesel doesn't > need a block heater. VMs "buy you" a couple of fairly valuable things, albeit things not related to hardware testing, or highly improved performance. You can create an environment for a particular application (e.g. - web apps, Java apps) which are readily duplicable. Good for scaling: once you have set it up once, you can save the VM and use it to deploy 8x when you need that kind of scalability. That's also useful for testing: you can create a more production-like environment than used to be possible. It's good for manageability: if you have 8 web apps you need to deploy, you can use 8 VMs, separating the messes, rather than having to have some hideous Apache configuration to get them to share a machine. There's a two-way street there... Since their configurations do not interact (as would be the case if sharing an Apache instance), each is in principle simpler. OTOH, you may do fancier/messier things inside those VMs, but at least, there's nothing messy in the "visible" aspects of the interaction. Useful for "legacy": If there's one app that needs some crufty old version of Mandrake, then you can keep the crufty old version of Mandrake as a VM, backed up and everything, and can upgrade all of your "host OSes" as needed - no need to keep boxes running hideously old versions of Linux just because an app or two expect that. The savings aren't necessarily in getting an extra ounce of performance; sometimes they're in being able to keep host OSes up to date (against security attacks and such) without forcing crufty apps to break. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Samuel Goldwyn - "I'm willing to admit that I may not always be right, but I am never wrong." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/samuel_goldwyn.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 22:33:05 2010 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:33:05 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 8.04: X crashes during upgrade to 8.10 Message-ID: <4B40D4D1.11669.1002E0@sciguy.vex.net> I was just wondering if it is too late to recover this installation. The initial error message, complete with BSOD (black screen of death) and a frozen mouse and dialog window, said something about framebuffers (looked like a problem from the X server). I had to give it the three-finger salute to get it to respond, which it did by rebooting. Attempts to reboot through the bootloader back into linux were met with the fact that the boot loader couldn't find the hard drive to mount it, resulting in a kernal panic. Looks like I will need to wipe stuff out and do a fresh install of Ubuntu. Any advice? I guess I can cut out all middlemen in the upgrade path and go straight to 9.10 now, that the installation broke. I was going to upgrade the recommeneded path of 8.04->8.10->9.04->9.10, but I guess that is all academic now. Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 22:55:06 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:55:06 -0500 Subject: [Bulk]From another group: Help save MySQL In-Reply-To: <4B40D4EB.5010007-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B40D4EB.5010007@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Stephen wrote: > I signed the petition. Before knowing why it would be useful (or not!) to do so? Perhaps you're signing a petition that's a *bad* thing, and I daresay that with the questions you leave open, it's not evident that you ought to consider that you know one way or another. > Can someone explain how Oracle can threaten an Open Source database? I think Larry Ellison has a bunch of samurai swords... Those can be pretty threatening. > Can someone, like me, not just grab all the source code and use it as I > please, subject to the GPL? Certainly. There are some issues as to how to *interpret* the GPL. MySQL AB has had a long history of having torturous interpretations that they so tortured pretty clearly to encourage people to buy traditional (non-GPL) proprietary licenses from them. It's pretty clear that Monty's not happy about control over proprietary licenses being in Oracle's hands. > I did read mention of patents. Is this the issue? It shouldn't; I don't believe that MySQL AB held any patents, and that's the only way in which patents could actually be relevant to the matter in a fashion that would make the question of Oracle's ownership of MySQL AB a matter of interest. > How can patents come out of an open source project? They don't. Someone has to apply for a patent, and the relevant 3 parties who could would be: a) MySQL AB b) Sun Microsystems c) Oracle If Oracle owns the other 2, then they have control of the patents and hence are known not to infringe on them. Anyone else that infringed on the patents would infringe against whomever is the holder of the patent, and it's actually not terribly relevant which of the 3 parties it is, it's infringement, regardless. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Samuel Goldwyn - "I don't think anyone should write their autobiography until after they're dead." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/samuel_goldwyn.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 3 22:55:19 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:55:19 -0500 Subject: From another group: Help save MySQL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote: > Now you have a unique opportunity to make a difference. ?By signing > the petition at http://www.helpmysql.org you can help affect the > future of MySQL as an Open Source database. I believe that Monty has gone through two phases of "selling out" already. (e.g. - sold MySQL AB to Sun, then presumably some internal dealings at the time that he he left Sun.) Perhaps he wants people to believe that *this* time he's doing the right thing? I don't believe him, either. Monty makes stuff up when it's convenient to do so. Notably: (from http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-keep-internet-free.htm) "While Linux is indeed distributed under the GPL, as is MySQL, Linux has an exception that allows anyone to run any kind of applications (including closed source applications) on top of Linux." There's no such "exception" in Linux. Total rubbish, but consistent with the old MySQL AB contention that "if you use our app for commercial purposes, you should buy proprietary licenses from us" thing. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Joan Crawford - "I, Joan Crawford, I believe in the dollar. Everything I earn, I spend." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/joan_crawford.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 00:56:40 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:56:40 -0500 Subject: which USB GPS device should I buy? In-Reply-To: <4B3FACFD.3000005-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3FACFD.3000005@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/2/10, tug williams wrote: > Can anyone recommend a usb gps receiver? I'm planning on using > gpscorrelate (http://freefoote.dview.net/linux_gpscorr.html) to link > location with photos. > > Thanks If what you are after is JUST a USB GPS receiver I would suggest you look for a non-current copy of "Microsoft Streets and Trips" with GPS locator. This is what I did when I wanted to play with Open Street Map. The USB GPS receiver Microsoft includes with "Streets and Trips" is made by a firm called Pharos and is well supported under Linux. Point is that if you hit the right clearance sale these GPS receivers can be had for under $20 (as for the included software, well, recycling bins are not hard to find :-) ). Do keep in mind that the above GPS depends on a laptop (or other USB master device) to provide power and display functions. Bottom line, if you want to do things like mapping from a car (or other road vehicle) the above is a great way to get into it cheaply. The above is not so good if you want to do things like map hiking trails (where you would need to keep you laptop running as you walk...). Colin McGregor > Tug > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 00:59:50 2010 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:59:50 -0500 Subject: Xfig crashes In-Reply-To: <20100103153742.GL8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> <4B3E9302.1060302@linuxcaffe.ca> <20100103153742.GL8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B413D86.1000304@linuxcaffe.ca> on zooming, sometimes.. does this mean anything to anyone ? djp at orange:~ $ xfig *** buffer overflow detected ***: xfig terminated ======= Backtrace: ========= /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x48)[0xb7d52da8] /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7d50eb0] /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7d505a8] /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__overflow+0x53)[0xb7cc3683] /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__printf_fp+0x176e)[0xb7c9b26e] /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(_IO_vfprintf+0x3ca)[0xb7c94bfa] /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__vsprintf_chk+0xa4)[0xb7d50654] /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__sprintf_chk+0x2d)[0xb7d5059d] xfig[0x80f773d] xfig[0x80f821b] xfig[0x80dc5f5] xfig[0x80dd311] xfig[0x80bba4d] /usr/lib/libXt.so.6[0xb7c476a9] /usr/lib/libXt.so.6[0xb7c47910] /usr/lib/libXt.so.6(_XtTranslateEvent+0x66b)[0xb7c4813b] /usr/lib/libXt.so.6(XtDispatchEventToWidget+0x680)[0xb7c1cf70] /usr/lib/libXt.so.6[0xb7c1d626] /usr/lib/libXt.so.6(XtDispatchEvent+0xa7)[0xb7c1c417] xfig[0x808918d] /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe5)[0xb7c6b775] xfig[0x804dd91] ======= Memory map: ======== 08048000-08143000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18058172 /usr/bin/xfig 08143000-08144000 r--p 000fa000 08:01 18058172 /usr/bin/xfig 08144000-08161000 rw-p 000fb000 08:01 18058172 /usr/bin/xfig 08161000-08201000 rw-p 08161000 00:00 0 08e29000-08ebd000 rw-p 08e29000 00:00 0 [heap] b7b1b000-b7b28000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 19071193 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 b7b28000-b7b29000 r--p 0000c000 08:01 19071193 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 b7b29000-b7b2a000 rw-p 0000d000 08:01 19071193 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 b7b2a000-b7b5d000 rw-p b7b2a000 00:00 0 b7b5d000-b7b61000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18056794 /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3.1.0 b7b61000-b7b62000 rw-p 00003000 08:01 18056794 /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3.1.0 b7b62000-b7b6a000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18055741 /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1.3.0 b7b6a000-b7b6b000 r--p 00007000 08:01 18055741 /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1.3.0 b7b6b000-b7b6c000 rw-p 00008000 08:01 18055741 /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1.3.0 b7b6c000-b7b74000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18056784 /usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0.2 b7b74000-b7b75000 rw-p 00007000 08:01 18056784 /usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0.2 b7b75000-b7b76000 rw-p b7b75000 00:00 0 b7b76000-b7b7a000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18055429 /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6.0.0 b7b7a000-b7b7b000 rw-p 00003000 08:01 18055429 /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6.0.0 b7b7b000-b7b7c000 rw-p b7b7b000 00:00 0 b7b7c000-b7b7f000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 19071128 /lib/libuuid.so.1.2 b7b7f000-b7b80000 r--p 00002000 08:01 19071128 /lib/libuuid.so.1.2 b7b80000-b7b81000 rw-p 00003000 08:01 19071128 /lib/libuuid.so.1.2 b7b81000-b7b83000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18059445 /usr/lib/libXau.so.6.0.0 b7b83000-b7b84000 r--p 00001000 08:01 18059445 /usr/lib/libXau.so.6.0.0 b7b84000-b7b85000 rw-p 00002000 08:01 18059445 /usr/lib/libXau.so.6.0.0 b7b85000-b7b87000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 19089508 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.9.so b7b87000-b7b88000 r--p 00001000 08:01 19089508 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.9.so b7b88000-b7b89000 rw-p 00002000 08:01 19089508 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.9.so b7b89000-b7ba1000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18055653 /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1.1.0 b7ba1000-b7ba2000 r--p 00017000 08:01 18055653 /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1.1.0 b7ba2000-b7ba3000 rw-p 00018000 08:01 18055653 /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1.1.0 b7ba3000-b7bb8000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18056741 /usr/lib/libICE.so.6.3.0 b7bb8000-b7bb9000 rw-p 00014000 08:01 18056741 /usr/lib/libICE.so.6.3.0 b7bb9000-b7bbc000 rw-p b7bb9000 00:00 0 b7bbc000-b7bc3000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18058228 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0 b7bc3000-b7bc4000 r--p 00006000 08:01 18058228 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0 b7bc4000-b7bc5000 rw-p 00007000 08:01 18058228 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0 b7bc5000-b7bda000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18056804 /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6.2.0 b7bda000-b7bdb000 rw-p 00015000 08:01 18056804 /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6.2.0 b7bdb000-b7be9000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18055272 /usr/lib/libXext.so.6.4.0 b7be9000-b7bea000 r--p 0000d000 08:01 18055272 /usr/lib/libXext.so.6.4.0 b7bea000-b7beb000 rw-p 0000e000 08:01 18055272 /usr/lib/libXext.so.6.4.0 b7beb000-b7bff000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 190Aborted djp at orange:~ $ using Xfig 3.2 patch5 ubuntu jaunty wmii window manager -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 01:14:03 2010 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:14:03 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe seeks LaTeX lover for some down-and-dirty DTP, must give good layout and work for treats Message-ID: <4B4140DB.1060706@linuxcaffe.ca> the google search did NOT go well.. I know /some/ of you are into that sort of thing, and if so inclined I could use a hand. age, gender and orientation unimportant no photo required, but PDFs will be considered. in-calls preferred you will leave fatter than you arrived ask for "Dave" linuxcaffe 326 Harbord 416-534-2116 day or nite -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 01:40:56 2010 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:40:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Xfig crashes In-Reply-To: <4B413D86.1000304-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> <4B3E9302.1060302@linuxcaffe.ca> <20100103153742.GL8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B413D86.1000304@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <16792.99.253.254.243.1262569256.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> It's never done that on my machine, and I zoom up and down all the time. Same Xfig version, Suse distro, kde window manager. Earlier versions of xfig did have random crashes that I could never tie to a specific operation, but that bug appears to have been fixed. Peter > on zooming, sometimes.. > > does this mean anything to anyone ? > > djp at orange:~ $ xfig > *** buffer overflow detected ***: xfig terminated > ======= Backtrace: ========= > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x48)[0xb7d52da8] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7d50eb0] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7d505a8] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__overflow+0x53)[0xb7cc3683] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__printf_fp+0x176e)[0xb7c9b26e] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(_IO_vfprintf+0x3ca)[0xb7c94bfa] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__vsprintf_chk+0xa4)[0xb7d50654] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__sprintf_chk+0x2d)[0xb7d5059d] > xfig[0x80f773d] > xfig[0x80f821b] > xfig[0x80dc5f5] > xfig[0x80dd311] > xfig[0x80bba4d] > /usr/lib/libXt.so.6[0xb7c476a9] > /usr/lib/libXt.so.6[0xb7c47910] > /usr/lib/libXt.so.6(_XtTranslateEvent+0x66b)[0xb7c4813b] > /usr/lib/libXt.so.6(XtDispatchEventToWidget+0x680)[0xb7c1cf70] > /usr/lib/libXt.so.6[0xb7c1d626] > /usr/lib/libXt.so.6(XtDispatchEvent+0xa7)[0xb7c1c417] > xfig[0x808918d] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe5)[0xb7c6b775] > xfig[0x804dd91] > ======= Memory map: ======== > 08048000-08143000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18058172 /usr/bin/xfig > 08143000-08144000 r--p 000fa000 08:01 18058172 /usr/bin/xfig > 08144000-08161000 rw-p 000fb000 08:01 18058172 /usr/bin/xfig > 08161000-08201000 rw-p 08161000 00:00 0 > 08e29000-08ebd000 rw-p 08e29000 00:00 0 [heap] > b7b1b000-b7b28000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 19071193 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 > b7b28000-b7b29000 r--p 0000c000 08:01 19071193 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 > b7b29000-b7b2a000 rw-p 0000d000 08:01 19071193 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 > b7b2a000-b7b5d000 rw-p b7b2a000 00:00 0 > b7b5d000-b7b61000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18056794 > /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3.1.0 > b7b61000-b7b62000 rw-p 00003000 08:01 18056794 > /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3.1.0 > b7b62000-b7b6a000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18055741 > /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1.3.0 > b7b6a000-b7b6b000 r--p 00007000 08:01 18055741 > /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1.3.0 > b7b6b000-b7b6c000 rw-p 00008000 08:01 18055741 > /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1.3.0 > b7b6c000-b7b74000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18056784 > /usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0.2 > b7b74000-b7b75000 rw-p 00007000 08:01 18056784 > /usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0.2 > b7b75000-b7b76000 rw-p b7b75000 00:00 0 > b7b76000-b7b7a000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18055429 > /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6.0.0 > b7b7a000-b7b7b000 rw-p 00003000 08:01 18055429 > /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6.0.0 > b7b7b000-b7b7c000 rw-p b7b7b000 00:00 0 > b7b7c000-b7b7f000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 19071128 /lib/libuuid.so.1.2 > b7b7f000-b7b80000 r--p 00002000 08:01 19071128 /lib/libuuid.so.1.2 > b7b80000-b7b81000 rw-p 00003000 08:01 19071128 /lib/libuuid.so.1.2 > b7b81000-b7b83000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18059445 /usr/lib/libXau.so.6.0.0 > b7b83000-b7b84000 r--p 00001000 08:01 18059445 /usr/lib/libXau.so.6.0.0 > b7b84000-b7b85000 rw-p 00002000 08:01 18059445 /usr/lib/libXau.so.6.0.0 > b7b85000-b7b87000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 19089508 > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.9.so > b7b87000-b7b88000 r--p 00001000 08:01 19089508 > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.9.so > b7b88000-b7b89000 rw-p 00002000 08:01 19089508 > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.9.so > b7b89000-b7ba1000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18055653 /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1.1.0 > b7ba1000-b7ba2000 r--p 00017000 08:01 18055653 /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1.1.0 > b7ba2000-b7ba3000 rw-p 00018000 08:01 18055653 /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1.1.0 > b7ba3000-b7bb8000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18056741 /usr/lib/libICE.so.6.3.0 > b7bb8000-b7bb9000 rw-p 00014000 08:01 18056741 /usr/lib/libICE.so.6.3.0 > b7bb9000-b7bbc000 rw-p b7bb9000 00:00 0 > b7bbc000-b7bc3000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18058228 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0 > b7bc3000-b7bc4000 r--p 00006000 08:01 18058228 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0 > b7bc4000-b7bc5000 rw-p 00007000 08:01 18058228 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0 > b7bc5000-b7bda000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18056804 /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6.2.0 > b7bda000-b7bdb000 rw-p 00015000 08:01 18056804 /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6.2.0 > b7bdb000-b7be9000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18055272 /usr/lib/libXext.so.6.4.0 > b7be9000-b7bea000 r--p 0000d000 08:01 18055272 /usr/lib/libXext.so.6.4.0 > b7bea000-b7beb000 rw-p 0000e000 08:01 18055272 /usr/lib/libXext.so.6.4.0 > b7beb000-b7bff000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 190Aborted > djp at orange:~ $ > > > using Xfig 3.2 patch5 > ubuntu jaunty > wmii window manager > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 02:23:23 2010 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:23:23 -0500 Subject: Xfig crashes Message-ID: <4B410ACB.31852.E2D9CA@sciguy.vex.net> xfig is such an old application, it would be the last thing I would think of crashing. Wonder what would happened if you downloaded the source yourself and compiled/installed it? Would it go up in flames in the same way? Paul On 3 Jan 2010 at 19:59, David J Patrick wrote: > on zooming, sometimes.. > > does this mean anything to anyone ? > > djp at orange:~ $ xfig > *** buffer overflow detected ***: xfig terminated > ======= Backtrace: ========= > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x48)[0xb7d52da8] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7d50eb0] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7d505a8] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__overflow+0x53)[0xb7cc3683] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__printf_fp+0x176e)[0xb7c9b26e] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(_IO_vfprintf+0x3ca)[0xb7c94bfa] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__vsprintf_chk+0xa4)[0xb7d50654] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__sprintf_chk+0x2d)[0xb7d5059d] > xfig[0x80f773d] > xfig[0x80f821b] > xfig[0x80dc5f5] > xfig[0x80dd311] > xfig[0x80bba4d] > /usr/lib/libXt.so.6[0xb7c476a9] > /usr/lib/libXt.so.6[0xb7c47910] > /usr/lib/libXt.so.6(_XtTranslateEvent+0x66b)[0xb7c4813b] > /usr/lib/libXt.so.6(XtDispatchEventToWidget+0x680)[0xb7c1cf70] > /usr/lib/libXt.so.6[0xb7c1d626] > /usr/lib/libXt.so.6(XtDispatchEvent+0xa7)[0xb7c1c417] > xfig[0x808918d] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe5)[0xb7c6b775] > xfig[0x804dd91] > ======= Memory map: ======== > 08048000-08143000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18058172 /usr/bin/xfig > 08143000-08144000 r--p 000fa000 08:01 18058172 /usr/bin/xfig > 08144000-08161000 rw-p 000fb000 08:01 18058172 /usr/bin/xfig > 08161000-08201000 rw-p 08161000 00:00 0 > 08e29000-08ebd000 rw-p 08e29000 00:00 0 [heap] > b7b1b000-b7b28000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 19071193 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 > b7b28000-b7b29000 r--p 0000c000 08:01 19071193 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 > b7b29000-b7b2a000 rw-p 0000d000 08:01 19071193 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 > b7b2a000-b7b5d000 rw-p b7b2a000 00:00 0 > b7b5d000-b7b61000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18056794 /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3.1.0 > b7b61000-b7b62000 rw-p 00003000 08:01 18056794 /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3.1.0 > b7b62000-b7b6a000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18055741 /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1.3.0 > b7b6a000-b7b6b000 r--p 00007000 08:01 18055741 /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1.3.0 > b7b6b000-b7b6c000 rw-p 00008000 08:01 18055741 /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1.3.0 > b7b6c000-b7b74000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18056784 /usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0.2 > b7b74000-b7b75000 rw-p 00007000 08:01 18056784 /usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1.0.2 > b7b75000-b7b76000 rw-p b7b75000 00:00 0 b7b76000-b7b7a000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 > 18055429 /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6.0.0 b7b7a000-b7b7b000 rw-p 00003000 08:01 > 18055429 /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6.0.0 b7b7b000-b7b7c000 rw-p b7b7b000 00:00 0 > b7b7c000-b7b7f000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 19071128 /lib/libuuid.so.1.2 > b7b7f000-b7b80000 r--p 00002000 08:01 19071128 /lib/libuuid.so.1.2 > b7b80000-b7b81000 rw-p 00003000 08:01 19071128 /lib/libuuid.so.1.2 > b7b81000-b7b83000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18059445 /usr/lib/libXau.so.6.0.0 > b7b83000-b7b84000 r--p 00001000 08:01 18059445 /usr/lib/libXau.so.6.0.0 > b7b84000-b7b85000 rw-p 00002000 08:01 18059445 /usr/lib/libXau.so.6.0.0 > b7b85000-b7b87000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 19089508 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.9.so > b7b87000-b7b88000 r--p 00001000 08:01 19089508 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.9.so > b7b88000-b7b89000 rw-p 00002000 08:01 19089508 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.9.so > b7b89000-b7ba1000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18055653 /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1.1.0 > b7ba1000-b7ba2000 r--p 00017000 08:01 18055653 /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1.1.0 > b7ba2000-b7ba3000 rw-p 00018000 08:01 18055653 /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1.1.0 > b7ba3000-b7bb8000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 18056741 /usr/lib/libICE.so.6.3.0 > b7bb8000-b7bb9000 rw-p 00014000 08:01 18056741 /usr/lib/libICE.so.6.3.0 > b7bb9000-b7bbc000 rw-p b7bb9000 00:00 0 b7bbc000-b7bc3000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 > 18058228 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0 b7bc3000-b7bc4000 r--p 00006000 08:01 > 18058228 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0 b7bc4000-b7bc5000 rw-p 00007000 08:01 > 18058228 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0 b7bc5000-b7bda000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 > 18056804 /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6.2.0 b7bda000-b7bdb000 rw-p 00015000 08:01 > 18056804 /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6.2.0 b7bdb000-b7be9000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 > 18055272 /usr/lib/libXext.so.6.4.0 b7be9000-b7bea000 r--p 0000d000 08:01 > 18055272 /usr/lib/libXext.so.6.4.0 b7bea000-b7beb000 rw-p 0000e000 08:01 > 18055272 /usr/lib/libXext.so.6.4.0 b7beb000-b7bff000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 > 190Aborted djp at orange:~ $ > > > using Xfig 3.2 patch5 > ubuntu jaunty > wmii window manager > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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I think that fortify_fail is called when a buffer overflow is detected. See http://wiki.debian.org/Hardening There is a section referring to the *** buffer overflow detected *** message. It looks like a *printf call created a buffer overflow. Apparently whatever is printing the backtrace does not have the debuginfo available or chooses not to use it. This make it hard to tell which bit of xfig is broken. Ubuntu has (or had) a way of loading debuginfo for a package. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 03:10:45 2010 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:10:45 -0500 Subject: I'm having trouble unsubscribing Message-ID: <4B415C35.5030303@vianet.ca> I'm having trouble unsubscribing -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 03:13:27 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:13:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Xfig crashes In-Reply-To: References: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> <4B3E9302.1060302@linuxcaffe.ca> <20100103153742.GL8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B413D86.1000304@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: | From: D. Hugh Redelmeier | | From: David J Patrick | | | on zooming, sometimes.. | | | | does this mean anything to anyone ? Looks like this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfig/+bug/318812 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 03:18:09 2010 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:18:09 -0500 Subject: Xfig crashes In-Reply-To: References: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> <4B3E9302.1060302@linuxcaffe.ca> <20100103153742.GL8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B413D86.1000304@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <4B415DF1.2030207@linuxcaffe.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Looks like this: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfig/+bug/318812 yep! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 06:44:28 2010 From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 01:44:28 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe seeks LaTeX lover for some down-and-dirty DTP, must give good layout and work for treats In-Reply-To: <4B4140DB.1060706-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B4140DB.1060706@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:14 PM, David J Patrick wrote: > the google search did NOT go well.. > > I know /some/ of you are into that sort of thing, and if so inclined I could > use a hand. > > age, gender and orientation unimportant > no photo required, but PDFs will be considered. > in-calls preferred > you will leave fatter than you arrived LaTeX is the topic at KWLUG tonight. http://kwlug.org/node/665 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 10:45:49 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 05:45:49 -0500 Subject: From another group: Help save MySQL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B41C6DD.3060209@dinamis.com> On 01/03/2010 11:08 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote: > hope not considered spam .. > > ---------------------- > From: monty-V9mUxPfawSOXDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org [monty-V9mUxPfawSOXDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org] > Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 9:27 p.m. > Subject: Help save MySQL; Sign the petition > > Hi! > > I am contacting you because you have in the past shown interest in > MySQL and from that I assume you are interested in the future > well-being of MySQL. I read his blog post and found it to be more than just a little self-serving. If MySQL is such a wonderful product, it will survive even Oracle trying to kill it. If not, then nothing was lost and the market will work around the "damage". -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 11:50:54 2010 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 06:50:54 -0500 Subject: Installing ubuntu 9.10 -- some problems Message-ID: <4B418FCE.27209.E8AD6@sciguy.vex.net> The download of the ISO went OK, the binary was burned to DVD, and it checked out. I booted into it and noticed: 1. graphical interface doesn't work (kernel panics and it can't find my main hard drive) 2. text mode works well, except for when the time comes to select my packages. it seems to dump core (gives a symbolic stack dump on screen for a split second), then put me into a screen where it says that the "selecting packages" step failed. A look at the console (tty4) says that "pkgsel failed (code 127)". After this, I checked the DVD, no problems. Another bit of strangeness is that in text mode, the system was going to install to my USB/Firewire drive by default (which is a single NTFS partition), instead of the Linux partitions of my main SATA drive, inside my PC, which one would think would have been the default. The firewire drive doesn't show up in the BIOS, whereas the internal drive does. Because package selection died on me, I had to only set up the users and passwords and GRUB on partitions containing only the base system (no X, nothing else), so that I could at least boot into Windows to write this email. Anyone have any clues about this? Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 12:43:06 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 04:43:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Installing ubuntu 9.10 -- some problems In-Reply-To: <4B418FCE.27209.E8AD6-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B418FCE.27209.E8AD6@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <392942.92559.qm@web88103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Paul King wrote: > The download of the ISO went OK, the > binary was burned to DVD, and it checked > out. I booted into it and noticed: Can you boot to the Live CD without trying to do an install? Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 14:15:44 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:15:44 -0500 Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <110224.49500.qm-XyciXz+oX7g/JfqJOfUXs/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <527976.92200.qm@web110806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100103155533.GO8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <110224.49500.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100104141544.GP8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 12:25:23PM -0800, William Park wrote: > That's next in my list. > > I admit "virtualization" is useful for application testing. But, it's useless for > hardware testing (like the wireless problem above). And, I'm not sure about > its cost-effectiveness that's advertised. Netbooks/nettops are getting better > and cheaper by the months. Well what kind of hardware? serial devices, USB devices and maybe a few others can be tested with kvm. I believe there is work going on to allow a PCI device to be handed over to a kvm virtual machine as well (not sure if this has happened already or not). > My computer is almost max'ed out... full 8GB memory, all Samsung Spinpoint > F3 harddisks (which are the best of non-SSD kinds). I could upgrade to > quad-core, but even if I get 4x linear improvement, it won't be enough. > I guess I can go with a full-loaded i7 machine. But, my VW diesel doesn't > need a block heater. The i7s don't run that hot. That's what my wife's desktop has. Nice quiet machine. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 14:19:12 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:19:12 -0500 Subject: Public, open-source related resolutions, anyone? In-Reply-To: <4B40C930.6080208-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> <4B3E9302.1060302@linuxcaffe.ca> <20100103153742.GL8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B40C930.6080208@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <20100104141912.GQ8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 11:43:28AM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > Aye, there's the rub. While I AM moving towards "everything is an xterm, > or a browser", wmii (what I use now) can be a bit crashy when dragging > or zooming. I'm gonna give i3 a shot, but in general I find that a > tiling wm really allows me to be more task-oriented, and I spend less > time asking myself.. "I was doing something.. what window was that ?" Most of the time I have konsole and iceweasel running, with the occational acroread and/or opera. They all have tabs, so I pretty much never go past 4 windows, and I like them all full screen. Things like mplayer though generally sucks very badly whe using a tiling window manager and sometimes I like to run that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 14:20:26 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:20:26 -0500 Subject: Public, open-source related resolutions, anyone? In-Reply-To: References: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> <4B3E9302.1060302@linuxcaffe.ca> <20100103153742.GL8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B40C930.6080208@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <20100104142026.GR8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 12:35:40PM -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On my machines there is a lot that is neither a browser nor an > xterm. > > I do have a dozen or so xterm (actually rxvt and mrxvt) windows > open, and one or two browsers, but I also have several other apps > open most of the time: > > emacs > gv (ghostview) > 9menu (both the original and a modified version, yamenu) > gentoo (file manager) > xmms > > These are often but not always open: > > xboard (with or without gnuchess) > gimp I suspect the gimp would be a nightmare to manage with a tiling window manager. Maybe it's doable, although I am not sure how. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 14:22:01 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:22:01 -0500 Subject: Xfig crashes In-Reply-To: <4B413D86.1000304-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> <4B3E9302.1060302@linuxcaffe.ca> <20100103153742.GL8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B413D86.1000304@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <20100104142201.GS8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 07:59:50PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > on zooming, sometimes.. > > does this mean anything to anyone ? > > djp at orange:~ $ xfig > *** buffer overflow detected ***: xfig terminated > ======= Backtrace: ========= > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x48)[0xb7d52da8] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7d50eb0] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7d505a8] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__overflow+0x53)[0xb7cc3683] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__printf_fp+0x176e)[0xb7c9b26e] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(_IO_vfprintf+0x3ca)[0xb7c94bfa] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__vsprintf_chk+0xa4)[0xb7d50654] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__sprintf_chk+0x2d)[0xb7d5059d] > xfig[0x80f773d] > xfig[0x80f821b] > xfig[0x80dc5f5] > xfig[0x80dd311] > xfig[0x80bba4d] > /usr/lib/libXt.so.6[0xb7c476a9] > /usr/lib/libXt.so.6[0xb7c47910] > /usr/lib/libXt.so.6(_XtTranslateEvent+0x66b)[0xb7c4813b] > /usr/lib/libXt.so.6(XtDispatchEventToWidget+0x680)[0xb7c1cf70] > /usr/lib/libXt.so.6[0xb7c1d626] > /usr/lib/libXt.so.6(XtDispatchEvent+0xa7)[0xb7c1c417] > xfig[0x808918d] > /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe5)[0xb7c6b775] > xfig[0x804dd91] My guess would be a bug in one of your X libraries, or a bug in xfig in how it calls one of the x libraries. A gdb bactrace would be a lot more useful of course. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 14:25:54 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:25:54 -0500 Subject: Xfig crashes In-Reply-To: References: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> <4B3E9302.1060302@linuxcaffe.ca> <20100103153742.GL8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B413D86.1000304@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <20100104142554.GT8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 10:13:27PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Looks like this: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfig/+bug/318812 Wow it sounds like xfig is actually an old program with some seriously shoty coding in it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 14:32:14 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:32:14 -0500 Subject: From another group: Help save MySQL In-Reply-To: References: <491f66a51001030829p2f2a5d5bi2d09a508d53024c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100104143214.GU8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 12:26:45PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Dave Cramer > > | Perhaps he should have considered this *before* he took their money. > > I never felt comfortable with the dual-license model. Both Asterix > and MySQL are problematic. But I do understand why the developers > decided to do this. > > The threat Monty identifies comes out of the dual license model. > > The threat also comes out of the nature of competition and monopolies. > I don't think that Oracle should be able to buy MySQL to reduce > competition. The incentives for Oracle just work the wrong way for > MySQL users and contributors. > > I cannot sign the petition since I don't use MySQL for profesionally. > People I trust recommend PostgreSQL over MySQL and I like its license > better. I personally think the world would be better off without mysql so people could finally start using postgresql for everything instead. I will not miss mysql if it were to disappear (which I doubt it will). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 14:39:52 2010 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:39:52 -0500 Subject: Public, open-source related resolutions, anyone? In-Reply-To: <20100104142026.GR8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> <4B3E9302.1060302@linuxcaffe.ca> <20100103153742.GL8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B40C930.6080208@linuxcaffe.ca> <20100104142026.GR8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B41FDB8.5000904@linuxcaffe.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > I suspect the gimp would be a nightmare to manage with a tiling window > manager. Maybe it's doable, although I am not sure how. Just a bit weird, but not unworkable. wmii can do floating windows (default dialog behavior) but some apps (like the gimp) don't play that way. Also, as I understand it, the next major iteration of gimp will have some major window behavior changes. djp > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tenger-P1ovA8G34VBEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 15:10:48 2010 From: tenger-P1ovA8G34VBEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org (Terrence Enger) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:10:48 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe seeks LaTeX lover for some down-and-dirty DTP, must give good layout and work for treats In-Reply-To: References: <4B4140DB.1060706@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <1262617848.6057.4.camel@cougar-hardy> On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 01:44 -0500, Richard Weait wrote: > LaTeX is the topic at KWLUG tonight. > http://kwlug.org/node/665 For those who care, some rummaging around the web site let me know that "Doors will open around 6:30pm or so." Cheers, Terry. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 16:26:05 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:26:05 -0500 Subject: From another group: Help save MySQL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote: > Now you have a unique opportunity to make a difference. ?By signing > the petition at http://www.helpmysql.org you can help affect the > future of MySQL as an Open Source database. Here's some more-or-less entertaining opposing perspectives, the first of which proposes a web site called http://shutupmonty.com http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/oracle-guide/shut-up-monty-36210 http://holdenweb.blogspot.com/2010/01/wht-save-mysql-now.html -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Ted Turner - "Sports is like a war without the killing." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/ted_turner.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 18:53:29 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:53:29 -0800 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones Message-ID: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> My iPhone recently bit the bucket (*darn* irremovable battery and flimsy ribbon cables *grumble* *grumble*). While another of the same might be a consideration if I can find one for cheap enough - so that I can keep my apps/accessories/etc - another preference would be to move to a different phone on a linuxy-platform. One of the reasons I got the iPhone was the BSD-based OS and FOSS toolset when unlocked (SSH, and others), but I'd like to move to something that isn't deliberately made to become an expensive brick over time. Thus far I've looked at phones like the Nokia N900, Motorola Milestone, and HTC Touch Pro 2. The last one seems to run on a windows platform so I've more or less written it off, but I have little experience with the others, and there may be a different brand+model that fits better. Some things I'm looking for or would like: - Decent interface. Multitouch is darn nice if available, or at the least not needing a stylus - Removable battery - Decent battery life (compared to an iPhone 3G, not too hard to do) - Good bluetooth support (a2dp, etc) - GPS/mapping - OS with FOSS tools. SSH client, SSH server and/or related - Not *too* expensive. $500 or less would be nice - Decent syncing capabilities. Linux friendliness for music and/or calendar+contacts a big plus Suggestions? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 18:57:53 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:57:53 -0800 Subject: Getting my Accomdata external SATA drive to work In-Reply-To: <1262308956.12348.15.camel@aragorn> References: <1262308956.12348.15.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001041057x7626ab75r8d01bf350e05a71a@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Paul King wrote: > Hi > > I have been having problems configuring my Acomdata external HD (using > firewire) on to Feisty Fawn (Ubuntu 8.4.x). The disk to be mounted is a > fully-formatted NTFS drive (this is because my local machine is dual > boot). > > After some dismembering and poking, I find that my HD is a 1TB Seagate > Barracuda (STX-ST31000340AS), and found through dmesg|less that it was > recognised, but never mounted. It was under /dev/sdb. So, I > mounted /dev/sdb1 by hand under /media, and things have been OK for now. > I have even mounted it as a share so my Windoze boxes can see it. That > was tested out also (disappointed by the slowness, as it is a multimedia > drive -- Ubuntu seems slower than Windows at delivering the bytes to my > Windows VLC player -- but that's a different problem). > > My problem now, is that if, for some reason I have to boot Linux, there > is a likelihood that the kernel may choose to assign something other > than /dev/sdb to mount it on, as I know from past experience. Using the > label ("Acorn") has been documented to work, but never has for me. The > line in /etc/fstab which began "LABEL=acorn" had to be changed > to /dev/sdb1, so that it could mount. When it does, an icon labelled > "acorn" appears on my desktop. > > The other way to do it, is to use "UUID=<...>". Any ideas on how to get > the UUID? > > Paul King > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Another option might also be to use 'udev' to give it a fixed device ID, rather the SDx, such as /dev/sdAcorn + /dev/sdAcorn1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 18:59:32 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:59:32 -0500 Subject: From another group: Help save MySQL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100104185932.GV8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 11:26:05AM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > Here's some more-or-less entertaining opposing perspectives, the first > of which proposes a web site called http://shutupmonty.com > > http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/oracle-guide/shut-up-monty-36210 > http://holdenweb.blogspot.com/2010/01/wht-save-mysql-now.html I like mrx's comment (currently the last one). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 19:53:46 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:53:46 -0500 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Tyler, 2010/1/4 Tyler Aviss > > My iPhone recently bit the bucket (*darn* irremovable battery and > flimsy ribbon cables *grumble* *grumble*). While another of the same > might be a consideration if I can find one for cheap enough - so that > I can keep my apps/accessories/etc - another preference would be to > move to a different phone on a linuxy-platform. One of the reasons I > got the iPhone was the BSD-based OS and FOSS toolset when unlocked > (SSH, and others), but I'd like to move to something that isn't > deliberately made to become an expensive brick over time. That sucks. I was under impression you can replace iphone battery. At least it seem like so when you do a quick google search > > Thus far I've looked at phones like the Nokia N900, Motorola > Milestone, and HTC Touch Pro 2. The last one seems to run on a windows > platform so I've more or less written it off, but I have little > experience with the others, and there may be a different brand+model > that fits better. > Interesting.. Have checked the above too, with exception of Nokia N900. Not interesting > Some things I'm looking for or would like: > - Decent interface. Multitouch is darn nice if available, or at the > least not needing a stylus > - Removable battery > - Decent battery life (compared to an iPhone 3G, not too hard to do) > - Good bluetooth support (a2dp, etc) > - GPS/mapping > - OS with FOSS tools. SSH client, SSH server and/or related > - Not *too* expensive. $500 or less would be nice > - Decent syncing capabilities. Linux friendliness for music and/or > calendar+contacts a big plus > > > Suggestions? Will watch this closely. Want to change phone companies. BB from Rogers can not be used on Wind network so will have to ditch it. Would prefer like Android phone if possible > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 20:00:12 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:00:12 -0500 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8881001041200q11a59ddds3f3f82a232743c31@mail.gmail.com> Telus's HTC Hero Runs on Andriod I believe.... Anyone have that one here? Any good? On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:53 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > Tyler, > 2010/1/4 Tyler Aviss >> >> My iPhone recently bit the bucket (*darn* irremovable battery and >> flimsy ribbon cables *grumble* *grumble*). While another of the same >> might be a consideration if I can find one for cheap enough - so that >> I can keep my apps/accessories/etc - another preference would be to >> move to a different phone on a linuxy-platform. One of the reasons I >> got the iPhone was the BSD-based OS and FOSS toolset when unlocked >> (SSH, and others), but I'd like to move to something that isn't >> deliberately made to become an expensive brick over time. > That sucks. I was under impression you can replace iphone battery. At > least it seem like so when you do a quick google search >> >> Thus far I've looked at phones like the Nokia N900, Motorola >> Milestone, and HTC Touch Pro 2. The last one seems to run on a windows >> platform so I've more or less written it off, but I have little >> experience with the others, and there may be a different brand+model >> that fits better. >> > Interesting.. Have checked the above too, with exception of Nokia > N900. ?Not interesting >> Some things I'm looking for or would like: >> - Decent interface. Multitouch is darn nice if available, or at the >> least not needing a stylus >> - Removable battery >> - Decent battery life (compared to an iPhone 3G, not too hard to do) >> - Good bluetooth support (a2dp, etc) >> - GPS/mapping >> - OS with FOSS tools. SSH client, SSH server and/or related >> - Not *too* expensive. $500 or less would be nice >> - Decent syncing capabilities. Linux friendliness for music and/or >> calendar+contacts a big plus >> >> >> Suggestions? > Will watch this closely. Want to change phone companies. BB from > Rogers can not be used on Wind network so will have to ditch it. Would > prefer like Android phone if possible >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 20:26:48 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:26:48 -0500 Subject: Public, open-source related resolutions, anyone? In-Reply-To: <4B3D8413.5030005-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B424F08.1000801@ve3syb.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > Anyone else care to make a public oss-related resolution for 2010? It > will be fun to revisit this thread at the end of the year. :) I don't tend to make new years resolutions but, if I was to make one, it would be to get out a new, long-overdue, release of gimp-perl. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 21:25:43 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:25:43 -0500 Subject: Installing ubuntu 9.10 -- some problems In-Reply-To: <4B418FCE.27209.E8AD6-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B418FCE.27209.E8AD6@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Paul King wrote: > The download of the ISO went OK, the binary was burned to DVD, and it checked > out. I booted into it and noticed: > > 1. graphical interface doesn't work (kernel panics and it can't find my main > hard drive) I am seeing similar problems with the LiveCD, on my box, however I am able to bootup and make it to the 1st screen that asks to select a language. After this point my screen gets really messed up and I see vertical green bars. I also was getting a lot of SR0 errors not sure why? I was able to use the same CD to install on my laptop, which is an older pc and its now running 9.10 without and issues. Some improvement were made with the install cd, because when it first came, i could not even install 9.10 on my laptop. I did another download and burned a 2nd cd, will trying to reinstall on my box tonight. I don't think the install CD is up to par and I would report any issues. I posted comment about my problem on the forum but I think I will need to log a bug tonight after another go at it with the new CD. > 2. text mode works well, except for when the time comes to select my packages. > it seems to dump core (gives a symbolic stack dump on screen for a split > second), then put me into a screen where it says that the "selecting packages" > step failed. A look at the console (tty4) says that "pkgsel failed (code 127)". > After this, I checked the DVD, no problems. > > Another bit of strangeness is that in text mode, the system was going to > install to my USB/Firewire drive by default (which is a single NTFS partition), > instead of the Linux partitions of my main SATA drive, inside my PC, which one > would think would have been the default. The firewire drive doesn't show up in > the BIOS, whereas the internal drive does. > > Because package selection died on me, I had to only set up the users and > passwords and GRUB on partitions containing only the base system (no X, nothing > else), so that I could at least boot into Windows to write this email. > > Anyone have any clues about this? > > Paul -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely, Enrich and Empower people to Transform their lives. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 21:47:14 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:47:14 -0500 Subject: Arch Linux Breaks Into DistroWatch Top 10 Message-ID: <7c50d3571001041347r7513d4e1ka20bab5da6f39898@mail.gmail.com> Great to see some recognition for Arch Linux, it's philosophy doesn't lend itself well to full blown distro's based on Arch and its "do it right or not at all" nature has alienated a lot of Linux hobbyists, which puts it in a place with little passing trade. "However, if I had to single out one distribution that was the shining star of the past year, I would pick Arch Linux. Although designed for intermediate Linux users, many seem to be attracted to the idea of a "rolling-release" distribution which is installed once and kept up-to-date throughout its lifespan via daily package updates. This is, in a way, a Gentoo of binary distributions, minus extensive time required for compiling software and without the complexity of many under-the-hood features. This growing popularity of Arch Linux can also be observed by the number of Arch-based distributions and community projects that have appeared during the past year, including the excellent Archiso-live, Chakra, Kahel OS and the brand-new ArchServer. The first-ever Arch Linux Handbook was also published last year. Maybe it's time to replace Gentoo Linux with Arch Linux on our Top Ten Distributions page?" http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20100104#stats -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tug.williams-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 22:18:40 2010 From: tug.williams-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (tug williams) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:18:40 -0600 Subject: which USB GPS device should I buy? In-Reply-To: References: <4B3FACFD.3000005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B426940.4040404@gmail.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > > Do keep in mind that the above GPS depends on a laptop (or other USB > master device) to provide power and display functions. Bottom line, if > you want to do things like mapping from a car (or other road vehicle) > the above is a great way to get into it cheaply. The above is not so > good if you want to do things like map hiking trails (where you would > need to keep you laptop running as you walk...). > > Colin McGregor > Yup - something like hiking trails. Accuracy is more important than price. The GPSCorrelate screenshot implies sub meter accuracy in altitude measurements, which would be perfect - I want to map a sizable chunk of land, but being able to know where each photo was taken would be worth the cost and effort. Tug -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From thomson.dan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 22:31:44 2010 From: thomson.dan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dan Thomson) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:31:44 -0500 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: <32f6a8881001041200q11a59ddds3f3f82a232743c31-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8881001041200q11a59ddds3f3f82a232743c31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I got one recently. One of my coworkers mentioned that he heard HTC's code is buggy (HTC tacked on some improvements to Android) but I don't have a whole lot of evidence to back that up. In the past few weeks I've noticed a problem crossing the border. I couldn't register on American carriers without shutting the phone off and on again. I also had the photo app crash once, which isn't terrible. Oh, and the 5MP camera seems over sensitive to movement and is pretty terrible in the dark. That aside, I'm enjoying it, but I probably haven't really put it through its paces. I think the Droid/Milestone looks pretty cool, but it isn't available in Canada yet. 2010/1/4 Dave Germiquet > Telus's HTC Hero Runs on Andriod I believe.... > > Anyone have that one here? Any good? > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:53 PM, William Muriithi > wrote: > > Tyler, > > 2010/1/4 Tyler Aviss > >> > >> My iPhone recently bit the bucket (*darn* irremovable battery and > >> flimsy ribbon cables *grumble* *grumble*). While another of the same > >> might be a consideration if I can find one for cheap enough - so that > >> I can keep my apps/accessories/etc - another preference would be to > >> move to a different phone on a linuxy-platform. One of the reasons I > >> got the iPhone was the BSD-based OS and FOSS toolset when unlocked > >> (SSH, and others), but I'd like to move to something that isn't > >> deliberately made to become an expensive brick over time. > > That sucks. I was under impression you can replace iphone battery. At > > least it seem like so when you do a quick google search > >> > >> Thus far I've looked at phones like the Nokia N900, Motorola > >> Milestone, and HTC Touch Pro 2. The last one seems to run on a windows > >> platform so I've more or less written it off, but I have little > >> experience with the others, and there may be a different brand+model > >> that fits better. > >> > > Interesting.. Have checked the above too, with exception of Nokia > > N900. Not interesting > >> Some things I'm looking for or would like: > >> - Decent interface. Multitouch is darn nice if available, or at the > >> least not needing a stylus > >> - Removable battery > >> - Decent battery life (compared to an iPhone 3G, not too hard to do) > >> - Good bluetooth support (a2dp, etc) > >> - GPS/mapping > >> - OS with FOSS tools. SSH client, SSH server and/or related > >> - Not *too* expensive. $500 or less would be nice > >> - Decent syncing capabilities. Linux friendliness for music and/or > >> calendar+contacts a big plus > >> > >> > >> Suggestions? > > Will watch this closely. Want to change phone companies. BB from > > Rogers can not be used on Wind network so will have to ditch it. Would > > prefer like Android phone if possible > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > -- > > > > Dave Germiquet > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dan Thomson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 22:33:29 2010 From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:33:29 -0500 Subject: which USB GPS device should I buy? In-Reply-To: <4B426940.4040404-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3FACFD.3000005@gmail.com> <4B426940.4040404@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:18 PM, tug williams wrote: > Yup - something like hiking trails. Accuracy is more important than price. > > The GPSCorrelate screenshot implies sub meter accuracy in altitude > measurements, which would be perfect - I want to map a sizable chunk of > land, but being able to know where each photo was taken would be worth > the cost and effort. Sure. Lots of the tools in OpenStreetMap can match up your photo timestamps with your GPS track after the fact to add geopostion to the photos. Cameras with builtin GPS are still expensive from what I hear. As are the GPSes with the special camera cable. You'll never[1] get a reliable sub-meter position with a consumer-grade GPS. Most current consumer devices will give you 3-5m in good conditions. You can't always tell if conditions are good because atmospheric and sunspot issues will be invisible to you. You can see nearby buildings, overhead foliage, heavy rain but those are only part of the story. What you can get is some pretty good breadcrumb trails showing mostly where you were. As you do this you'll see that some trails are better and some worse, and some will have entertaining excursions that you'll look at and say, "I was not walking at 35 km/h!" But you will have fun. About devices. Colin mentioned the USB-tethered receivers from $20-ish. There are also simple battery-powered track loggers with no map display capability around $100. These can be the size of the deck of cards. And there are sport type with a colour or BW screen that show your position on the map as well as save the tracks. Around $200 and up. About the size of your home cordless phone. Most of these can be switched on, placed in your backpack and forgotten until you finish your trip. Some will even give you 16 hours or more on a charge. Let me know if you need more info. [1] well, not ever for some long period of time or without heroic measures. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 4 23:04:02 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:04:02 -0500 Subject: which USB GPS device should I buy? In-Reply-To: <4B426940.4040404-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3FACFD.3000005@gmail.com> <4B426940.4040404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100104230402.GW8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 04:18:40PM -0600, tug williams wrote: > Yup - something like hiking trails. Accuracy is more important than price. > > The GPSCorrelate screenshot implies sub meter accuracy in altitude > measurements, which would be perfect - I want to map a sizable chunk of > land, but being able to know where each photo was taken would be worth > the cost and effort. One thing GPSs are NOT good at is altitude. It was not designed to provide that with any kind of accuracy. If you get +/- 100m you are doing well. GPS is meant to provide position for latitude/longitude not altitude. This is why there are a number of hiking GPS units that have altimeters built in to get altitude. It is much more accurate than GPS will ever be. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 00:48:13 2010 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 19:48:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: which USB GPS device should I buy? In-Reply-To: <20100104230402.GW8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3FACFD.3000005@gmail.com> <4B426940.4040404@gmail.com> <20100104230402.GW8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <21306.99.253.254.243.1262652493.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > One thing GPSs are NOT good at is altitude. It was not designed to > provide that with any kind of accuracy. If you get +/- 100m you are > doing well. GPS is meant to provide position for latitude/longitude > not altitude. > > This is why there are a number of hiking GPS units that have altimeters > built in to get altitude. It is much more accurate than GPS will ever be. > > -- > Len Sorensen Not only are they not all that accurate, they are limited to less than 60,000 feet, should you be planning a balloon trip ;). (With oxygen). I guess that this is to prevent amateur ICBM builders from navigating their payload with a GPS-equipped phone. This is actually relevant for the amateur balloon-telemetry crowd, where the balloons (un-accompanied by a life form) routinely go above 60k feet. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 00:48:33 2010 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 19:48:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: which USB GPS device should I buy? In-Reply-To: <20100104230402.GW8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3FACFD.3000005@gmail.com> <4B426940.4040404@gmail.com> <20100104230402.GW8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <21308.99.253.254.243.1262652513.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > One thing GPSs are NOT good at is altitude. It was not designed to > provide that with any kind of accuracy. If you get +/- 100m you are > doing well. GPS is meant to provide position for latitude/longitude > not altitude. > > This is why there are a number of hiking GPS units that have altimeters > built in to get altitude. It is much more accurate than GPS will ever be. > > -- > Len Sorensen Not only are they not all that accurate, they are limited to less than 60,000 feet, should you be planning a balloon trip ;). (With oxygen). http://showcase.netins.net/web/wallio/GPSrcvrsvs60kft.htm I guess that this is to prevent amateur ICBM builders from navigating their payload with a GPS-equipped phone. This is actually relevant for the amateur balloon-telemetry crowd, where the balloons (un-accompanied by a life form) routinely go above 60k feet. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 00:54:59 2010 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:54:59 -0500 Subject: Public, open-source related resolutions, anyone? In-Reply-To: <4B3D8413.5030005-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3D8413.5030005@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1262652899.31520.9.camel@hatsya.starnix.com> On Fri, 2010-01-01 at 00:11 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > I shall resolve, publicly, to have the first version on my perl modules > released this year. For bonus points, I'll try to get the next beta > version of my backup program out this year, too. > > Anyone else care to make a public oss-related resolution for 2010? It > will be fun to revisit this thread at the end of the year. :) I'm in. www.fosster.org will launch. (Some of you may remember it from CLUE as "Adopt an NGO") (And, no, the starnix site is just because that's the default site in the apache config for now). Regards, --matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 06:53:33 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:53:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <20100104141544.GP8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <527976.92200.qm@web110806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100103155533.GO8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <110224.49500.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100104141544.GP8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <22829.22638.qm@web110805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > From: Lennart Sorensen > > On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 12:25:23PM -0800, William Park wrote: > > That's next in my list. > > > > I admit "virtualization" is useful for application testing. But, it's useless for > > hardware testing (like the wireless problem above). And, I'm not sure about > > its cost-effectiveness that's advertised. Netbooks/nettops are getting better > > and cheaper by the months. > > Well what kind of hardware? serial devices, USB devices and maybe a > few others can be tested with kvm. I believe there is work going on to > allow a PCI device to be handed over to a kvm virtual machine as well > (not sure if this has happened already or not). > > > My computer is almost max'ed out... full 8GB memory, all Samsung Spinpoint > > F3 harddisks (which are the best of non-SSD kinds). I could upgrade to > > quad-core, but even if I get 4x linear improvement, it won't be enough. > > I guess I can go with a full-loaded i7 machine. But, my VW diesel doesn't > > need a block heater. > > The i7s don't run that hot. That's what my wife's desktop has. > Nice quiet machine. :) Okey, I tried out 3 virtualizations, and here is my comments... 1. VirtualBox -- Cleanest website. You download "doc" (pdf or html), and ".run" binary. After installing guest OS, you need to install "Guest Additions" within the guest OS, if you want better video/mouse support. CentOS-5.4 was too old as guest OS, and OpenSUSE-11.2 hangs on install. Other than that, Slackware32/64, Fedora-12, Ubuntu-9.10, and Windows 2003/7 work okey. 2. KVM -- Website and documentations were confusing. But, it compiles and installs on Slackware, so it should work for other distro. Since it doesn't have GUI frontend, you have to type command-line, which is not as bad as it sounds. However, KVM is too slow, so much so that it's useless in practice. 3. VMware Player -- Most confusing and useless PR/bullshit website. If I didn't know I wanted Player, I wouldn't know what to do or where to go. Anyways, it fails to compile some kernel modules on my Slackware64-13.0 (2.6.32.2 kernel). I don't know, because VirtualBox and KVM compiled their modules without any problems. My recommendation is to try VirtualBox. You need big monitors though, enough to accommodate multiple windows of 1024x768 minimum size. If the VM is too small, you won't be able to reach OK/Cancel buttons. :-) Next in my list is GPU programming. --William __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 11:51:12 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:51:12 -0500 Subject: Reallocated Sector Count = 67 Message-ID: <4B4327B0.6060405@rogers.com> I am running the latest Ubuntu and the new Gnome disk monitor, *Palimpsest, is complaining that I have a drive with 67 reallocated sectors, and I should replace it soon. Google shows this is a rather hot topic. I find lots of discussion, but no serious discussion as to how high a number of reallocated sectors is a cause for concern. I understand that there is a bit of a performance hit, but that is not an issue. The number of reallocated sectors has not increased in the last three days. Comments from dual boot users indicates that Windows does not care about this at all. Anyone have any thoughts to share? Thanks Stephen * -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 13:50:42 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:50:42 -0800 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001050550i67843b3cs50c016ec3a92b00f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:53 AM, William Muriithi wrote: > Tyler, > 2010/1/4 Tyler Aviss >> >> My iPhone recently bit the bucket (*darn* irremovable battery and >> flimsy ribbon cables *grumble* *grumble*). While another of the same >> might be a consideration if I can find one for cheap enough - so that >> I can keep my apps/accessories/etc - another preference would be to >> move to a different phone on a linuxy-platform. One of the reasons I >> got the iPhone was the BSD-based OS and FOSS toolset when unlocked >> (SSH, and others), but I'd like to move to something that isn't >> deliberately made to become an expensive brick over time. > That sucks. I was under impression you can replace iphone battery. At > least it seem like so when you do a quick google search >> >> Thus far I've looked at phones like the Nokia N900, Motorola >> Milestone, and HTC Touch Pro 2. The last one seems to run on a windows >> platform so I've more or less written it off, but I have little >> experience with the others, and there may be a different brand+model >> that fits better. >> > Interesting.. Have checked the above too, with exception of Nokia > N900. ?Not interesting >> Some things I'm looking for or would like: >> - Decent interface. Multitouch is darn nice if available, or at the >> least not needing a stylus >> - Removable battery >> - Decent battery life (compared to an iPhone 3G, not too hard to do) >> - Good bluetooth support (a2dp, etc) >> - GPS/mapping >> - OS with FOSS tools. SSH client, SSH server and/or related >> - Not *too* expensive. $500 or less would be nice >> - Decent syncing capabilities. Linux friendliness for music and/or >> calendar+contacts a big plus >> >> >> Suggestions? > Will watch this closely. Want to change phone companies. BB from > Rogers can not be used on Wind network so will have to ditch it. Would > prefer like Android phone if possible >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Oh, you *can* replace the iphone battery. But it's not like a normal (sane) cellphone where you pop off a cover, take it out, and pop another in. Noooo, you have to pop off the LCD/touchscreen, gently disassemble a bunch of ribbon cables, unscrew the mainboard, remove the mainboard, remove a few more components, then liberate the battery. I can't remember offhand, but I believe the battery module itself is on a little circuit board that requires soldering for the replacement as well. Anything is doable, it's just that doing so without breaking something (especially those touchy ribbon cables, notably #3 near the camera) is somewhat of a task. /rant -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 13:54:42 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:54:42 -0800 Subject: Installing ubuntu 9.10 -- some problems In-Reply-To: References: <4B418FCE.27209.E8AD6@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001050554r650b93c4wc4017dd4223bac1@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Paul King wrote: >> The download of the ISO went OK, the binary was burned to DVD, and it checked >> out. I booted into it and noticed: >> >> 1. graphical interface doesn't work (kernel panics and it can't find my main >> hard drive) > > I am seeing similar problems with the LiveCD, on my box, however I am > able to bootup and make it to the 1st screen that asks to select a > language. After this point my screen gets really messed up and I see > vertical green bars. I also was getting a lot of SR0 errors not sure > why? > > I was able to use the same CD to install on my laptop, which is an > older pc and its now running 9.10 without and issues. > > Some improvement were made with the install cd, because when it first > came, i could not even install 9.10 on my laptop. I did another > download and burned a 2nd cd, will trying to reinstall on my box > tonight. > > I don't think the install CD is up to par and I would report any > issues. I posted comment about my problem on the forum but I think I > will need to log a bug tonight after another go at it with the new CD. > >> 2. text mode works well, except for when the time comes to select my packages. >> it seems to dump core (gives a symbolic stack dump on screen for a split >> second), then put me into a screen where it says that the "selecting packages" >> step failed. A look at the console (tty4) says that "pkgsel failed (code 127)". >> After this, I checked the DVD, no problems. >> >> Another bit of strangeness is that in text mode, the system was going to >> install to my USB/Firewire drive by default (which is a single NTFS partition), >> instead of the Linux partitions of my main SATA drive, inside my PC, which one >> would think would have been the default. The firewire drive doesn't show up in >> the BIOS, whereas the internal drive does. >> >> Because package selection died on me, I had to only set up the users and >> passwords and GRUB on partitions containing only the base system (no X, nothing >> else), so that I could at least boot into Windows to write this email. >> >> Anyone have any clues about this? >> >> Paul > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav > > http://DevMentor.org > > Do Good! - Share Freely, Enrich and Empower people to Transform their lives. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > sr0 would be the CD-ROM device on modern 'buntus. I'm not sure if it's specific to SATA CD-ROM's or IDE, but I think it's both. If you're seeing sr0 errors, perhaps it's having problems reading your disc or has issues with your SATA bus. I know on one of my machines a bunch of kernels were a bit "odd" with the SATA drivers and reset once or twice before they were patched up. One in particular had the SATA DVD-RW timeout and die constantly (but IDE worked fine, and later SATA drives were OK too). There's a pci=nosomething (I've forgotten what the "something" is, but I can check when I get home) which may remedy that. I can check back later if it's helpful to anyone. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 14:10:58 2010 From: vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jon) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:10:58 -0500 Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <22829.22638.qm-Y34AK2gV3Gx+W+z1sZEpBPu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <527976.92200.qm@web110806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100103155533.GO8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <110224.49500.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100104141544.GP8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <22829.22638.qm@web110805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99806655-D65E-4BC0-816C-F22015A042C5@gmail.com> > > > 2. KVM -- Website and documentations were confusing. But, it > compiles and > installs on Slackware, so it should work for other distro. Since it > doesn't have > GUI frontend, you have to type command-line, which is not as bad as > it sounds. > However, KVM is too slow, so much so that it's useless in practice. I don't know what it would take to install on Slackware, but virt- manager[1] is a GUI frontend which supports KVM guests. I personally haven't found KVM to be notably slow, I wonder if your hardware is not well supported? Certain processor features are necessary, and must be enabled, for KVM to perform well[2]. A bit of googling found me this[3], which is admittedly old, but suggests very little difference between KVM and VB. jon [1] http://virt-manager.et.redhat.com/ [2] http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Running_Windows_on_Fedora_Using_KVM_Virtualization#KVM_System_Requirements [3] http://www.ogre.com/node/136 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 14:13:45 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:13:45 -0500 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001050550i67843b3cs50c016ec3a92b00f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1001050550i67843b3cs50c016ec3a92b00f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3571001050613w2ace00d5y74ecf121759b0867@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 08:50, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Oh, you *can* replace the iphone battery. But it's not like a normal > (sane) cellphone where you pop off a cover, take it out, and pop > another in. Noooo, you have to pop off the LCD/touchscreen, gently > disassemble a bunch of ribbon cables, unscrew the mainboard, remove > the mainboard, remove a few more components, then liberate the > battery. I can't remember offhand, but I believe the battery module > itself is on a little circuit board that requires soldering for the > replacement as well. > > Anything is doable, it's just that doing so without breaking something > (especially those touchy ribbon cables, notably #3 near the camera) is > somewhat of a task. Or, you could bring it to iUpgrade, they should be able to replace the battery for you: http://www.iupgradecanada.com/ -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 15:26:27 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:26:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Reallocated Sector Count = 67 In-Reply-To: <4B4327B0.6060405-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B4327B0.6060405@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: Stephen | I am running the latest Ubuntu and the new Gnome disk monitor, *Palimpsest, is | complaining that I have a drive with 67 reallocated sectors, and I should | replace it soon. You haven't told us very much about the disk. How old is it? What brand & model? What's its warranty status? What does smartctl say about other drive health indicators? Have you experienced I/O errors on the drive? Have you lost data? Have you run the manufacturer's diagnostic tools (eg. SeaTools for DOS, if Seagate)? | Anyone have any thoughts to share? I don't like a number that high, but that's opinion. I certainly don't like a number that is regularly increasing. When an increase happens, that means that the drive thinks another sector has gone bad; each time might or might not be a case where you lose data. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 16:14:38 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:14:38 -0500 Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <22829.22638.qm-Y34AK2gV3Gx+W+z1sZEpBPu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <527976.92200.qm@web110806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100103155533.GO8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <110224.49500.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100104141544.GP8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <22829.22638.qm@web110805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100105161438.GX8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 10:53:33PM -0800, William Park wrote: > Okey, I tried out 3 virtualizations, and here is my comments... > > 1. VirtualBox -- Cleanest website. You download "doc" (pdf or html), and > ".run" binary. After installing guest OS, you need to install "Guest Additions" > within the guest OS, if you want better video/mouse support. CentOS-5.4 > was too old as guest OS, and OpenSUSE-11.2 hangs on install. Other than > that, Slackware32/64, Fedora-12, Ubuntu-9.10, and Windows 2003/7 work > okey. > > 2. KVM -- Website and documentations were confusing. But, it compiles and > installs on Slackware, so it should work for other distro. Since it doesn't have > GUI frontend, you have to type command-line, which is not as bad as it sounds. > However, KVM is too slow, so much so that it's useless in practice. KVM is the fastest there is, unless you tried running it without the hardware support (or module loaded) in which case it switches to qemu's software emulation (which is very slow). Check the start message to see that kvm support in kernel is actually detected. Recent kernels should come with kvm support already that should work fine, older kernels need modules compiled. For example I have this: ii kvm-modules-2.6.26-2-amd64 85+dfsg-4+2.6.26-16 kvm modules for Linux (kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64). 2.6.26 is a bit old after all. To check kvm support is working: # kvm --help|head -n 1 QEMU PC emulator version 0.10.0 (kvm-85), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard That means kvm userspace based on qemu 0.10.0 and KVM kernel module version 85. Also: # dmesg |grep kvm [ 1759.219247] loaded kvm module (kvm-85) When starting kvm it will tell you if it can't use kernel support, in which case it will get very very slow. If your cpu doesn't support kvm, then kqemu is a decent option (should perform at least on par with vmware). Again make sure to compile the kqemu modules for your kernel and load them or you drop back to software emulation of the cpu again, and painful slowness. > 3. VMware Player -- Most confusing and useless PR/bullshit website. If I didn't > know I wanted Player, I wouldn't know what to do or where to go. Anyways, > it fails to compile some kernel modules on my Slackware64-13.0 (2.6.32.2 kernel). > I don't know, because VirtualBox and KVM compiled their modules without any > problems. VMware is hopeless. Hasn't worked with new kernels in a while, and they don't seem to care until redhat or suse goes to a new kernel. Also their new installer stinks. > My recommendation is to try VirtualBox. You need big monitors though, enough > to accommodate multiple windows of 1024x768 minimum size. If the VM is too > small, you won't be able to reach OK/Cancel buttons. :-) > > Next in my list is GPU programming. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 16:23:56 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:23:56 -0500 Subject: [Bulk]From another group: Help save MySQL In-Reply-To: References: <4B40D4EB.5010007@rogers.com> Message-ID: > > If Oracle decided not to release MySQL under an OSS licence in the future > then a code forked version could of course continue under an OSS licence but > it would do so under a new name. > Actually, it looks like they are not going to be changing anything. It actually may get more funding, so in the medium time, this may not be bad for mysql. Not sure this is because Larry feel okay about mysql or its because he feel EU may torpedo his Sun deal if he refuse to shape up. We may never know. http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/042364 Found point 6 very interesting > There is an argument (that I don't necessarily agree with) that a code > forked version is at a disadvantage because the name as mind share, > especially among those who are not OSS geeks. ?I'm not convinced this is a > big problem as plenty of projects have forked (under new names) and taken a > good deal of the developer and user community with them. ?Examples in clude > OpenBSD forking from NetBSD & LedgerSMB forking from SQL-Ledger. ?In effect > developers and users find the tool that fits their needs and they use it. > >> I did read mention of patents. Is this the issue? Actually, if the mind share is only strong among the geeks, its not a big deal. We are petty good at following those stuff. Have not heard anybody mention Xfree86 for a long time. It may be a different case though if the name is strong among managerss Regards -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 16:52:13 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:52:13 -0500 Subject: [Bulk]From another group: Help save MySQL In-Reply-To: References: <4B40D4EB.5010007@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:23 AM, William Muriithi wrote: > Actually, if the mind share is only strong among the geeks, its not a > big deal. We are petty good at following those stuff. Have not heard > anybody mention Xfree86 for a long time. It's fairly surprising how quickly XFree86 disappeared from relevance when a considerable portion of the developers switched over to work on X.org. There's definitely something cautionary there. The cases of OpenBSD versus NetBSD and SQL-Leger versus LedgerSMB are cautionary in "character" terms; both have associated participants that said more-or-less unforgivably insulting things that helped expose the gap between the respective communities. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach - "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/marie_von_ebnereschenbac.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tug.williams-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 17:06:14 2010 From: tug.williams-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (tug williams) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:06:14 -0600 Subject: which USB GPS device should I buy? In-Reply-To: <20100104230402.GW8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3FACFD.3000005@gmail.com> <4B426940.4040404@gmail.com> <20100104230402.GW8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B437186.6070804@gmail.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 04:18:40PM -0600, tug williams wrote: > >> Yup - something like hiking trails. Accuracy is more important than price. >> >> The GPSCorrelate screenshot implies sub meter accuracy in altitude >> measurements, which would be perfect - I want to map a sizable chunk of >> land, but being able to know where each photo was taken would be worth >> the cost and effort. >> > > One thing GPSs are NOT good at is altitude. It was not designed to > provide that with any kind of accuracy. If you get +/- 100m you are > doing well. GPS is meant to provide position for latitude/longitude > not altitude. > > This is why there are a number of hiking GPS units that have altimeters > built in to get altitude. It is much more accurate than GPS will ever be. > > Ok I think my question has become... Can anyone recommend a WAAS capable hiking GPS with altimeter that talks to linux? I've now added MEC to my list of shops to look at, and they seem to have plenty to choose from. http://www.gpsbabel.org/ seems to support many file formats. Tug -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 17:13:06 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:13:06 -0500 Subject: Reallocated Sector Count = 67 In-Reply-To: <4B4327B0.6060405-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B4327B0.6060405@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100105171306.GY8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 06:51:12AM -0500, Stephen wrote: > I am running the latest Ubuntu and the new Gnome disk monitor, > *Palimpsest, is complaining that I have a drive with 67 reallocated > sectors, and I should replace it soon. > > Google shows this is a rather hot topic. > > I find lots of discussion, but no serious discussion as to how high a > number of reallocated sectors is a cause for concern. > > I understand that there is a bit of a performance hit, but that is not > an issue. > > The number of reallocated sectors has not increased in the last three days. > > Comments from dual boot users indicates that Windows does not care about > this at all. Well you probably don't have any smart monitoring tools installed. > Anyone have any thoughts to share? 67 sectors out of how many million? Doesn't sound too bad. Looking at my disks I find it ammusing that I can tell which order I replaced the disks in my raid5 when I upgraded to larger disks: # for i in a b c d; do smartctl -d ata --all /dev/sd$i|grep Power_On; done 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 092 092 000 Old_age Always - 5888 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 092 092 000 Old_age Always - 5885 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 092 092 000 Old_age Always - 5877 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 092 092 000 Old_age Always - 5882 0 reallocated on all the disks I have checked so far though. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 17:16:34 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:16:34 -0500 Subject: [Bulk]From another group: Help save MySQL In-Reply-To: References: <4B40D4EB.5010007@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100105171634.GZ8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 11:52:13AM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > It's fairly surprising how quickly XFree86 disappeared from relevance > when a considerable portion of the developers switched over to work on > X.org. There's definitely something cautionary there. Well given the xfree86 maintainers had become totally impossible to work with, I think all the distributions were just waiting for a way to stop dealing with it. > The cases of OpenBSD versus NetBSD and SQL-Leger versus LedgerSMB are > cautionary in "character" terms; both have associated participants > that said more-or-less unforgivably insulting things that helped > expose the gap between the respective communities. Sounds about right to me. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 17:28:22 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:28:22 -0500 Subject: which USB GPS device should I buy? In-Reply-To: <4B437186.6070804-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3FACFD.3000005@gmail.com> <4B426940.4040404@gmail.com> <20100104230402.GW8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B437186.6070804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100105172822.GA8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 11:06:14AM -0600, tug williams wrote: > Ok I think my question has become... Can anyone recommend a WAAS capable > hiking GPS with altimeter that talks to linux? > > I've now added MEC to my list of shops to look at, and they seem to have > plenty to choose from. http://www.gpsbabel.org/ seems to support many > file formats. Well gpsbabel can talk to the USB port on the garmin etrex vista HCx which has WAAS receiver and a barimeter. I suspect a USB port is actually more convinient these days than serial (which the many other units used). The vista H model has 24MB internal flash rather than a microSD slot, and is hence cheaper, but otherwise similar. The HCx has a slightly higher resolution screen and a better battery life (and I believe related to the battery life, a newer more sensitive receiver). My wife has the etrex Legen HCx (same as the vista but without the barimeter) and really likes it. It is a lot smaller than the picture would make you think. It is about 11 x 6 x 3cm and 156g (including a pair of batteries). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 20:22:01 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:22:01 -0500 Subject: Retrieving emails from a dead server's hard drive Message-ID: <20100105202201.GA11088@yam.witteman.ca> Just before New Years my server at home suffered a non-recoverable hardware failure - perhaps it couldn't bear to face a new year. The motherboard or something closely related to it has "gone wrong". That's not the end of the world, or the end of my data. I used the backup from the morning of the event to recreate the machine's functions on my desktop, and I'll be restoring the websites over the next few days. It only took a few minutes to set up my mailserver, and mail is once again getting delivered. Where I would like advice is in the recovery of email. Some of the email users had not checked their mail between the 25th and the 31st, and their mail is still sitting on the hard drive from the old server, now in an enclosure. It is in maildir format. I would like to move it to their active account, or redeliver it, but I am not sure how. Any suggestions? (For interest's sake, when I could get the machine to POST it beeps, launches into the BIOS, and then the screen goes squizzy.) -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 20:45:19 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:45:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <20100105161438.GX8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <527976.92200.qm@web110806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100103155533.GO8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <110224.49500.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100104141544.GP8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <22829.22638.qm@web110805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100105161438.GX8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <148749.4014.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lennart Sorensen > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 11:14:38 AM > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: dual booting > > On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 10:53:33PM -0800, William Park wrote: > > Okey, I tried out 3 virtualizations, and here is my comments... > > > > 1. VirtualBox -- Cleanest website. You download "doc" (pdf or html), and > > ".run" binary. After installing guest OS, you need to install "Guest > Additions" > > within the guest OS, if you want better video/mouse support. CentOS-5.4 > > was too old as guest OS, and OpenSUSE-11.2 hangs on install. Other than > > that, Slackware32/64, Fedora-12, Ubuntu-9.10, and Windows 2003/7 work > > okey. > > > > 2. KVM -- Website and documentations were confusing. But, it compiles and > > installs on Slackware, so it should work for other distro. Since it doesn't > have > > GUI frontend, you have to type command-line, which is not as bad as it sounds. > > However, KVM is too slow, so much so that it's useless in practice. > > KVM is the fastest there is, unless you tried running it without the > hardware support (or module loaded) in which case it switches to qemu's > software emulation (which is very slow). > > Check the start message to see that kvm support in kernel is actually > detected. Recent kernels should come with kvm support already that > should work fine, older kernels need modules compiled. For example I > have this: > ii kvm-modules-2.6.26-2-amd64 85+dfsg-4+2.6.26-16 kvm modules for Linux > (kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64). > > 2.6.26 is a bit old after all. > > To check kvm support is working: > # kvm --help|head -n 1 > QEMU PC emulator version 0.10.0 (kvm-85), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice > Bellard Similar to mine: $ /usr/local/kvm/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 --help | head -n 1 QEMU PC emulator version 0.12.1 (qemu-kvm-0.12.1.2), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard > > That means kvm userspace based on qemu 0.10.0 and KVM kernel module version 85. > > Also: > > # dmesg |grep kvm > [ 1759.219247] loaded kvm module (kvm-85) $ lsmod | grep kvm kvm_amd 34271 0 kvm 248305 1 kvm_amd $ dmesg | grep kvm kvm: Nested Virtualization enabled And, my cpu has AMD-V (svm). $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep svmq flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow up rep_good extd_apicid pni cx16 lahf_lm svm extapic cr8_legacy Maybe AMD is faking something, in order to achieve 45W "low power" 2.4GHz cpu. Or, maybe, ASUS is faking something on the motherboard. The fact that it can boot from USB cdrom, but not from USB harddisk, doesn't inspire confidence. --William > > When starting kvm it will tell you if it can't use kernel support, > in which case it will get very very slow. If your cpu doesn't support > kvm, then kqemu is a decent option (should perform at least on par > with vmware). Again make sure to compile the kqemu modules for your > kernel and load them or you drop back to software emulation of the cpu > again, and painful slowness. > > > 3. VMware Player -- Most confusing and useless PR/bullshit website. If I > didn't > > know I wanted Player, I wouldn't know what to do or where to go. Anyways, > > it fails to compile some kernel modules on my Slackware64-13.0 (2.6.32.2 > kernel). > > I don't know, because VirtualBox and KVM compiled their modules without any > > problems. > > VMware is hopeless. Hasn't worked with new kernels in a while, and they > don't seem to care until redhat or suse goes to a new kernel. Also their > new installer stinks. __________________________________________________________________ Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 20:54:28 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:54:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: GPU programming, anyone? Message-ID: <626176.94437.qm@web110803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi all, Has anyone looked into GPU programming? On nVidia side, CUDA is what I'm supposed read, if I want to use my GeForce 8500GT. But, what's on ATI side? --William __________________________________________________________________ Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 21:05:56 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:05:56 -0500 Subject: Retrieving emails from a dead server's hard drive In-Reply-To: <20100105202201.GA11088-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100105202201.GA11088@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <4B43A9B4.6010605@dinamis.com> On 01/05/2010 03:22 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Where I would like advice is in the recovery of email. Some of the > email users had not checked their mail between the 25th and the 31st, > and their mail is still sitting on the hard drive from the old server, > now in an enclosure. It is in maildir format. I would like to move it > to their active account, or redeliver it, but I am not sure how. Any > suggestions? Hi William, Each message is stored as an individual file in Maildir/username/cur. Using rsync from the old drive to the new one should work. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 21:06:06 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:06:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <322848.57146.qm-Y34AK2gV3Gw5A34FEqDeB/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <322848.57146.qm@web110809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: | From: William Park | My motherboard is Asus M2N-E (fairly old one). Asus has released a series of updated BIOSes. The latest appears to be 1701. You might find that some mysteries go away if you update. And, as a bonus, you might get new mysteries! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 21:21:48 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:21:48 -0500 Subject: Retrieving emails from a dead server's hard drive In-Reply-To: <20100105202201.GA11088-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100105202201.GA11088@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20100105212148.GB8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 03:22:01PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Just before New Years my server at home suffered a non-recoverable > hardware failure - perhaps it couldn't bear to face a new year. The > motherboard or something closely related to it has "gone wrong". > > That's not the end of the world, or the end of my data. I used the > backup from the morning of the event to recreate the machine's functions > on my desktop, and I'll be restoring the websites over the next few > days. It only took a few minutes to set up my mailserver, and mail is > once again getting delivered. > > Where I would like advice is in the recovery of email. Some of the > email users had not checked their mail between the 25th and the 31st, > and their mail is still sitting on the hard drive from the old server, > now in an enclosure. It is in maildir format. I would like to move it > to their active account, or redeliver it, but I am not sure how. Any > suggestions? If it is maildir it should be trivial to just move the message files into place. The message filename is partially based on the time it arrived and hence should be unique. > (For interest's sake, when I could get the machine to POST it beeps, > launches into the BIOS, and then the screen goes squizzy.) Lovely. How does it beep? The beep codes often tell a lot. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 21:36:26 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:36:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Retrieving emails from a dead server's hard drive In-Reply-To: <20100105202201.GA11088-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100105202201.GA11088@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Where I would like advice is in the recovery of email. Some of the > email users had not checked their mail between the 25th and the 31st, > and their mail is still sitting on the hard drive from the old server, > now in an enclosure. It is in maildir format. I would like to move it > to their active account, or redeliver it, but I am not sure how. Any > suggestions? I recently tested the movement of Maildir files from one server to a new server that didn't know they were coming. I copied them right into the Maildir directories (cur & new) and it 'just worked'. Dovecot (the IMAP server) saw the mail items and updated the index. Make sure you have user & group ownership and perms correct of course. And do backup before doing this just in case it goes south (even though mind didn't). You may want to test to a throw away a/c first. Cheers, Rob -- I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy http://www.practicalsysadmin.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 21:30:15 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:30:15 -0500 Subject: Retrieving emails from a dead server's hard drive In-Reply-To: <20100105212148.GB8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100105202201.GA11088@yam.witteman.ca> <20100105212148.GB8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100105213015.GA12149@yam.witteman.ca> On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 04:21:48PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 03:22:01PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >> Where I would like advice is in the recovery of email. Some of the >> email users had not checked their mail between the 25th and the 31st, >> and their mail is still sitting on the hard drive from the old server, >> now in an enclosure. It is in maildir format. I would like to move it >> to their active account, or redeliver it, but I am not sure how. Any >> suggestions? > >If it is maildir it should be trivial to just move the message files >into place. The message filename is partially based on the time it >arrived and hence should be unique. One thing that worries me is that the hostnames of the old server and my desktop differ, so the filenames in the maildirs, which include the hostname, will not be uniform. I will test, and report back. >> (For interest's sake, when I could get the machine to POST it beeps, >> launches into the BIOS, and then the screen goes squizzy.) > >Lovely. How does it beep? The beep codes often tell a lot. The beep is, annoyingly, the normal, expected beep. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 21:30:30 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:30:30 -0500 Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <148749.4014.qm-Y34AK2gV3GwP4eY3Ra60wvu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <865955.54922.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100101200832.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <527976.92200.qm@web110806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100103155533.GO8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <110224.49500.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100104141544.GP8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <22829.22638.qm@web110805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100105161438.GX8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <148749.4014.qm@web110808.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100105213030.GC8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 12:45:19PM -0800, William Park wrote: > Similar to mine: > $ /usr/local/kvm/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 --help | head -n 1 > QEMU PC emulator version 0.12.1 (qemu-kvm-0.12.1.2), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard > > $ lsmod | grep kvm > kvm_amd 34271 0 That one should show higher than 0 if kvm is running and using it. I use these options: kvm -daemonize -localtime -usbdevice tablet -smp 2 -m 2047 -hda disk.img -vga std -net user,vlan=0 -net nic,vlan=0,model=e1000,macaddr=52:54:00:00:00:01 > kvm 248305 1 kvm_amd > > $ dmesg | grep kvm > kvm: Nested Virtualization enabled I wonder what 'Nested' refers to. > And, my cpu has AMD-V (svm). I have never tried one of those, only intel vt-x ones. > $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep svmq > flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr > pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall > nx mmxext fxsr_opt rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow up rep_good > extd_apicid pni cx16 lahf_lm svm extapic cr8_legacy > > Maybe AMD is faking something, in order to achieve 45W "low power" > 2.4GHz cpu. Or, maybe, ASUS is faking something on the motherboard. > The fact that it can boot from USB cdrom, but not from USB harddisk, > doesn't inspire confidence. That's not likely. AMD can't afford to develop lots of different cores for no good reason the way intel does. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 21:31:34 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:31:34 -0500 Subject: Retrieving emails from a dead server's hard drive In-Reply-To: <20100105202201.GA11088-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100105202201.GA11088@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <4B43AFB6.5040303@rogers.com> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > (For interest's sake, when I could get the machine to POST it beeps, > launches into the BIOS, and then the screen goes squizzy.) > Does it actually go squizzy? Or just mooshy? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 21:32:33 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:32:33 -0500 Subject: Retrieving emails from a dead server's hard drive In-Reply-To: <20100105213015.GA12149-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100105202201.GA11088@yam.witteman.ca> <20100105212148.GB8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100105213015.GA12149@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20100105213233.GD8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 04:30:15PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > One thing that worries me is that the hostnames of the old server and my > desktop differ, so the filenames in the maildirs, which include the > hostname, will not be uniform. I will test, and report back. Doesn't matter. They are just unique names. They can be anything. Maildir doesn't care. You can rename them if you want (rename command is handy for partial rename of a bunch of files). > The beep is, annoyingly, the normal, expected beep. When it beeps - > sometimes when I power cycled it, the PS would spin up, but there would > be no beep. (Right now there is no hard drive in the box, so there is > little reason to try booting it) Well could be cpu, motherboard, ram, video. Who knows. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 21:33:19 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:33:19 -0500 Subject: GPU programming, anyone? In-Reply-To: <626176.94437.qm-Y34AK2gV3Gz6X00i2u5GFvu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <626176.94437.qm@web110803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100105213319.GE8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 12:54:28PM -0800, William Park wrote: > Has anyone looked into GPU programming? On nVidia side, > CUDA is what I'm supposed read, if I want to use my GeForce > 8500GT. But, what's on ATI side? Why would you want to use an ATI? :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 21:37:00 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:37:00 -0500 Subject: GPU programming, anyone? In-Reply-To: <20100105213319.GE8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <626176.94437.qm@web110803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100105213319.GE8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B43B0FC.4010601@alteeve.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 12:54:28PM -0800, William Park wrote: >> Has anyone looked into GPU programming? On nVidia side, >> CUDA is what I'm supposed read, if I want to use my GeForce >> 8500GT. But, what's on ATI side? > > Why would you want to use an ATI? :) > Because their products really exist? Fermi ;) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 21:46:59 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:46:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Retrieving emails from a dead server's hard drive In-Reply-To: <20100105213233.GD8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100105202201.GA11088@yam.witteman.ca> <20100105212148.GB8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100105213015.GA12149@yam.witteman.ca> <20100105213233.GD8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 04:30:15PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >> One thing that worries me is that the hostnames of the old server and my >> desktop differ, so the filenames in the maildirs, which include the >> hostname, will not be uniform. I will test, and report back. > > Doesn't matter. They are just unique names. They can be anything. Exactly. Infact it is good that the old hostname is in the filename as is guarantees uniqueness on the new server. In my tests the hostnames (and usernames) were different and it all 'just worked' with Dovecot. Cheers, Rob -- I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy http://www.practicalsysadmin.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 22:01:37 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:01:37 -0500 Subject: Retrieving emails from a dead server's hard drive In-Reply-To: <20100105213015.GA12149-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100105202201.GA11088@yam.witteman.ca> <20100105212148.GB8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100105213015.GA12149@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:30 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > One thing that worries me is that the hostnames of the old server and my > desktop differ, so the filenames in the maildirs, which include the > hostname, will not be uniform. ?I will test, and report back. That's intended, and perfectly fine. The point of having the hostname in the name is to encourage uniqueness of the filename so the store would be safely writable concurrently without need for locking by many writers even atop an NFS store. Having the hostname in the filename means that if you have 2 hosts writing entries into the same Maildir directory, they do not need to concern themselves with the potential problem of claiming colliding filenames. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Mike Ditka - "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mike_ditka.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 22:08:38 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:08:38 -0500 Subject: GPU programming, anyone? In-Reply-To: <4B43B0FC.4010601-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <626176.94437.qm@web110803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100105213319.GE8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B43B0FC.4010601@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20100105220838.GF8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 04:37:00PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 12:54:28PM -0800, William Park wrote: >>> Has anyone looked into GPU programming? On nVidia side, >>> CUDA is what I'm supposed read, if I want to use my GeForce >>> 8500GT. But, what's on ATI side? >> >> Why would you want to use an ATI? :) >> > > Because their products really exist? > > Fermi Yeah well nice hardware with shitty drivers isn't worth dealing with. I would rather wait for hardware that comes with working drivers. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 22:10:05 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:10:05 -0500 Subject: Installing ubuntu 9.10 -- some problems In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001050554r650b93c4wc4017dd4223bac1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B418FCE.27209.E8AD6@sciguy.vex.net> <3a97ef1001050554r650b93c4wc4017dd4223bac1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Paul King wrote: >>> The download of the ISO went OK, the binary was burned to DVD, and it checked >>> out. I booted into it and noticed: >>> >>> 1. graphical interface doesn't work (kernel panics and it can't find my main >>> hard drive) >> >> I am seeing similar problems with the LiveCD, on my box, however I am >> able to bootup and make it to the 1st screen that asks to select a >> language. After this point my screen gets really messed up and I see >> vertical green bars. I also was getting a lot of SR0 errors not sure >> why? >> >> I was able to use the same CD to install on my laptop, which is an >> older pc and its now running 9.10 without and issues. >> >> Some improvement were made with the install cd, because when it first >> came, i could not even install 9.10 on my laptop. I did another >> download and burned a 2nd cd, will trying to reinstall on my box >> tonight. >> >> I don't think the install CD is up to par and I would report any >> issues. I posted comment about my problem on the forum but I think I >> will need to log a bug tonight after another go at it with the new CD. >> >>> 2. text mode works well, except for when the time comes to select my packages. >>> it seems to dump core (gives a symbolic stack dump on screen for a split >>> second), then put me into a screen where it says that the "selecting packages" >>> step failed. A look at the console (tty4) says that "pkgsel failed (code 127)". >>> After this, I checked the DVD, no problems. >>> >>> Another bit of strangeness is that in text mode, the system was going to >>> install to my USB/Firewire drive by default (which is a single NTFS partition), >>> instead of the Linux partitions of my main SATA drive, inside my PC, which one >>> would think would have been the default. The firewire drive doesn't show up in >>> the BIOS, whereas the internal drive does. >>> >>> Because package selection died on me, I had to only set up the users and >>> passwords and GRUB on partitions containing only the base system (no X, nothing >>> else), so that I could at least boot into Windows to write this email. >>> >>> Anyone have any clues about this? >>> >>> Paul >> >> -- >> Kind Regards, >> Rajinder Yadav >> >> http://DevMentor.org >> >> Do Good! - Share Freely, Enrich and Empower people to Transform their lives. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > sr0 would be the CD-ROM device on modern 'buntus. I'm not sure if it's > specific to SATA CD-ROM's or IDE, but I think it's both. > > If you're seeing sr0 errors, perhaps it's having problems reading your > disc or has issues with your SATA bus. I know on one of my machines a > bunch of kernels were a bit "odd" with the SATA drivers and reset once > or twice before they were patched up. One in particular had the SATA > DVD-RW timeout and die constantly (but IDE worked fine, and later SATA > drives were OK too). yes it was my cdrom, the 2nd CD is created didn't have the sr0 read errors, but kubuntu 9.10 seem to have a video bug, it gets all message up and I can't continue to the the install. i pinged one of the ubuntu peeps about where i can log my bug last night. Rajinder > There's a pci=nosomething (I've forgotten what the "something" is, but > I can check when I get home) which may remedy that. I can check back > later if it's helpful to anyone. > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 22:37:06 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:37:06 -0500 Subject: Retrieving emails from a dead server's hard drive In-Reply-To: <4B43AFB6.5040303-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100105202201.GA11088@yam.witteman.ca> <4B43AFB6.5040303@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100105223706.GA12840@yam.witteman.ca> On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 04:31:34PM -0500, James Knott wrote: >William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >>(For interest's sake, when I could get the machine to POST it beeps, >>launches into the BIOS, and then the screen goes squizzy.) >Does it actually go squizzy? Or just mooshy? ;-) Entertainingly, it goes squizzy - the predominant BIOS background colours are retained, but the screen devolves into small repeating blocks of semi-random ick. I would characterize mooshy as multi-coloured snow. I've never seen squizzy before. (Perhaps we need a nomative taxonomy for video failure modes :-) -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 22:48:53 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:48:53 -0500 Subject: Retrieving emails from a dead server's hard drive In-Reply-To: <20100105223706.GA12840-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100105202201.GA11088@yam.witteman.ca> <4B43AFB6.5040303@rogers.com> <20100105223706.GA12840@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <1f13df281001051448o6c11a3dbk7b1420f5c13df225@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/5 William O'Higgins Witteman : > On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 04:31:34PM -0500, James Knott wrote: >>William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >>>(For interest's sake, when I could get the machine to POST it beeps, >>>launches into the BIOS, and then the screen goes squizzy.) >>Does it actually go squizzy? ?Or just mooshy? ?;-) > > Entertainingly, it goes squizzy - the predominant BIOS background > colours are retained, but the screen devolves into small repeating > blocks of semi-random ick. ?I would characterize mooshy as > multi-coloured snow. ?I've never seen squizzy before. > > (Perhaps we need a nomative taxonomy for video failure modes :-) An excellent idea - and for the edification of all of us, I think you should post a video so we may all know what "squizzy" looks like. It sounds entertaining. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 23:25:17 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:25:17 -0500 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:53 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > Would prefer like Android phone if possible Today is the "feeding frenzy day" for Google's "Nexus One" phone... Based on its capabilities and pricing, I'm thinking that the Nokia N900, which is entirely more "Linux user friendly", is looking rather more appealing than I'd previously thought. I could get an N900 for ~$600 at Newegg. I don't think there are any Android phones that are actually priced lower than that. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Pablo Picasso - "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 23:30:29 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:30:29 -0500 Subject: GPU programming, anyone? In-Reply-To: <626176.94437.qm-Y34AK2gV3Gz6X00i2u5GFvu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <626176.94437.qm@web110803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3571001051530j23f0a918pfb7e6b3e0d1c7575@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 15:54, William Park wrote: > Hi all, > > Has anyone looked into GPU programming? ?On nVidia side, > CUDA is what I'm supposed read, if I want to use my GeForce > 8500GT. ?But, what's on ATI side? > > --William > It'll be OpenCL on the ATi side, if they end up fulling implementing it, you have to download the Stream SDK from ATi. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 5 23:35:24 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:35:24 -0500 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <491f66a51001051535q645a9afdx71a548f74af1cf01@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:53 PM, William Muriithi > wrote: >> Would prefer like Android phone if possible > > Today is the "feeding frenzy day" for Google's "Nexus One" phone... > > Based on its capabilities and pricing, I'm thinking that the Nokia > N900, which is entirely more "Linux user friendly", is looking rather > more appealing than I'd previously thought. > > I could get an N900 for ~$600 at Newegg. > > I don't think there are any Android phones that are actually priced > lower than that. Chris, You can buy a developer phone from google for around 399 us, and you can develop on it. Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 01:27:03 2010 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:27:03 -0500 Subject: which USB GPS device should I buy? In-Reply-To: <20100104230402.GW8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3FACFD.3000005@gmail.com> <4B426940.4040404@gmail.com> <20100104230402.GW8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100105202703.9015wouf400c040w@mail.math.yorku.ca> Quoting Lennart Sorensen : > One thing GPSs are NOT good at is altitude. It was not designed to > provide that with any kind of accuracy. If you get +/- 100m you are > doing well. That's a little pessimistic in my experience. The time average of the altitude reading, over, I don't know, half an hour or so, is usually good to within 50 ft or so. > This is why there are a number of hiking GPS units that have altimeters > built in to get altitude. It is much more accurate than GPS will ever be. The best ones have barometric altimeters that automatically recalibrate themselves based on the GPS altitude reading. That takes care of the time averaging automatically, while allowing for you to go up and down. My Garmin Vista HCx does that, and I'm *mostly* happy with it. My only complaint is that, the longer it's been on, the more it trusts the barometric reading, and therefore the slower it recalibrates itself. Qualitatively that's a good idea; quantitatively it recalibrates too slowly when it's been on for a while. Air pressure can change faster than it seems to take into account. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 02:25:24 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:25:24 -0500 Subject: Reallocated Sector Count = 67 In-Reply-To: References: <4B4327B0.6060405@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4B43F494.70905@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > You haven't told us very much about the disk. > > How old is it? What brand & model? What's its warranty status? > > What does smartctl say about other drive health indicators? > > Have you experienced I/O errors on the drive? Have you lost data? > > Have you run the manufacturer's diagnostic tools (eg. SeaTools for > DOS, if Seagate)? > > The drive is 8 months old and has 106.1 days of use. It is still under warranty. It is a Seagate Barracuda ST31000528AS, firmware version CC34, serial number 9VP0GXSS, current temperature 30C, last self test completed OK, Self Assessment passed, 67 bad sectors. > | Anyone have any thoughts to share? > > I don't like a number that high, but that's opinion. > > I certainly don't like a number that is regularly increasing. When an > increase happens, that means that the drive thinks another sector has > gone bad; each time might or might not be a case where you lose data. > I have not lost any data, and I have not seem are change in the number of bad sectors. I assume because the Palimpset Disk Utility is getting upset, that a recent incident occured where new bad sectors were detected taking me above the threshold of 36. The utility gives a normalized value of 99 and worst as 99. As I initially wrote, this is a utility that is new for the latest (and recent) release of Ubuntu. Many discussion forums are active with users asking about this, because many are getting the error. I will download and run Seagate's utility on the weekend, and I will monitor the number of bad sectors. But all I really am looking for is a guide as to whether 67 bad sectors, in and of itself, is reason to discard a drive. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 02:59:34 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:59:34 -0500 Subject: kubuntu 9.10 dual monitor setup Message-ID: So it looks like the vid card on my mobo was not liked by kubuntu 9.10 (NVIDIA Geforce7050PV/nForce 630a) I just got my new video card also a nvidia 9500 GT to setup dual monitors. i was able to get kubuntu 9.10 installed and currently updating the base the video card has 2 dvi output to support dual monitors, one one i am using a vga adaptor. i can't seem to get dual monitor to work? from system settings -> monitor, i see 2 vid output one is DVI0, the other is VGA2 which seems correct because these are the two monitors i have plugged in what's odd is i can set up different screen resolution for each monitor, but I only see one desktop, both monitors show the same desktop. how do i get each monitor to show it's own desktop? -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely, Enrich and Empower people to Transform their lives. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 04:52:43 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 04:52:43 +0000 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: <491f66a51001051535q645a9afdx71a548f74af1cf01-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> <491f66a51001051535q645a9afdx71a548f74af1cf01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001052052q6c459586t8ad5aa9d3d9344f2@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:53 PM, William Muriithi >> wrote: >>> Would prefer like Android phone if possible >> >> Today is the "feeding frenzy day" for Google's "Nexus One" phone... >> >> Based on its capabilities and pricing, I'm thinking that the Nokia >> N900, which is entirely more "Linux user friendly", is looking rather >> more appealing than I'd previously thought. >> >> I could get an N900 for ~$600 at Newegg. >> >> I don't think there are any Android phones that are actually priced >> lower than that. > > Chris, > > You can buy a developer phone from google for around 399 us, and you > can develop on it. > > Dave > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > What is the difference (besides being able to do more) between the commercial and dev phones? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 04:53:57 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 04:53:57 +0000 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001052053w7d7f963er9d5778c022e100d5@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:53 PM, William Muriithi > wrote: >> Would prefer like Android phone if possible > > Today is the "feeding frenzy day" for Google's "Nexus One" phone... > > Based on its capabilities and pricing, I'm thinking that the Nokia > N900, which is entirely more "Linux user friendly", is looking rather > more appealing than I'd previously thought. > > I could get an N900 for ~$600 at Newegg. > > I don't think there are any Android phones that are actually priced > lower than that. > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > Pablo Picasso ?- "Computers are useless. They can only give you > answers." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Yeah, the N900 is definitely a nice looking phone. The only big thing was the lack of multi-touch (it seems to use a stylus) and no GPS. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 04:54:42 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 04:54:42 +0000 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001052053w7d7f963er9d5778c022e100d5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1001052053w7d7f963er9d5778c022e100d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001052054i32f2bbd0yb518fcb0e59c8300@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:53 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:53 PM, William Muriithi >> wrote: >>> Would prefer like Android phone if possible >> >> Today is the "feeding frenzy day" for Google's "Nexus One" phone... >> >> Based on its capabilities and pricing, I'm thinking that the Nokia >> N900, which is entirely more "Linux user friendly", is looking rather >> more appealing than I'd previously thought. >> >> I could get an N900 for ~$600 at Newegg. >> >> I don't think there are any Android phones that are actually priced >> lower than that. >> -- >> http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html >> Pablo Picasso ?- "Computers are useless. They can only give you >> answers." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > Yeah, the N900 is definitely a nice looking phone. The only big thing > was the lack of multi-touch (it seems to use a stylus) and no GPS. > I should mention though that the N900 was one of the few that seems to currently have a working flash. The last article I checked showed it as "upcoming" for the milestone but not out yet. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 04:56:22 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 04:56:22 +0000 Subject: Installing ubuntu 9.10 -- some problems In-Reply-To: References: <4B418FCE.27209.E8AD6@sciguy.vex.net> <3a97ef1001050554r650b93c4wc4017dd4223bac1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001052056h38f6c22fl7b1002008f833f8f@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Paul King wrote: >>>> The download of the ISO went OK, the binary was burned to DVD, and it checked >>>> out. I booted into it and noticed: >>>> >>>> 1. graphical interface doesn't work (kernel panics and it can't find my main >>>> hard drive) >>> >>> I am seeing similar problems with the LiveCD, on my box, however I am >>> able to bootup and make it to the 1st screen that asks to select a >>> language. After this point my screen gets really messed up and I see >>> vertical green bars. I also was getting a lot of SR0 errors not sure >>> why? >>> >>> I was able to use the same CD to install on my laptop, which is an >>> older pc and its now running 9.10 without and issues. >>> >>> Some improvement were made with the install cd, because when it first >>> came, i could not even install 9.10 on my laptop. I did another >>> download and burned a 2nd cd, will trying to reinstall on my box >>> tonight. >>> >>> I don't think the install CD is up to par and I would report any >>> issues. I posted comment about my problem on the forum but I think I >>> will need to log a bug tonight after another go at it with the new CD. >>> >>>> 2. text mode works well, except for when the time comes to select my packages. >>>> it seems to dump core (gives a symbolic stack dump on screen for a split >>>> second), then put me into a screen where it says that the "selecting packages" >>>> step failed. A look at the console (tty4) says that "pkgsel failed (code 127)". >>>> After this, I checked the DVD, no problems. >>>> >>>> Another bit of strangeness is that in text mode, the system was going to >>>> install to my USB/Firewire drive by default (which is a single NTFS partition), >>>> instead of the Linux partitions of my main SATA drive, inside my PC, which one >>>> would think would have been the default. The firewire drive doesn't show up in >>>> the BIOS, whereas the internal drive does. >>>> >>>> Because package selection died on me, I had to only set up the users and >>>> passwords and GRUB on partitions containing only the base system (no X, nothing >>>> else), so that I could at least boot into Windows to write this email. >>>> >>>> Anyone have any clues about this? >>>> >>>> Paul >>> >>> -- >>> Kind Regards, >>> Rajinder Yadav >>> >>> http://DevMentor.org >>> >>> Do Good! - Share Freely, Enrich and Empower people to Transform their lives. >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> sr0 would be the CD-ROM device on modern 'buntus. I'm not sure if it's >> specific to SATA CD-ROM's or IDE, but I think it's both. >> >> If you're seeing sr0 errors, perhaps it's having problems reading your >> disc or has issues with your SATA bus. I know on one of my machines a >> bunch of kernels were a bit "odd" with the SATA drivers and reset once >> or twice before they were patched up. One in particular had the SATA >> DVD-RW timeout and die constantly (but IDE worked fine, and later SATA >> drives were OK too). > > yes it was my cdrom, the 2nd CD is created didn't have the sr0 read > errors, but kubuntu 9.10 seem to have a video bug, it gets all message > up and I can't continue to the the install. > > i pinged one of the ubuntu peeps about where i can log my bug last night. > > Rajinder > > >> There's a pci=nosomething (I've forgotten what the "something" is, but >> I can check when I get home) which may remedy that. I can check back >> later if it's helpful to anyone. >> -- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Just a note for though with sometimes flakey (like mine) SATA controller drivers, you can add these to the boot stanza in grub/lilo which might help pci=nomsi or pci=nommconf -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 05:28:23 2010 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 00:28:23 -0500 Subject: Installing ubuntu 9.10 -- some problems In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001052056h38f6c22fl7b1002008f833f8f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B418FCE.27209.E8AD6@sciguy.vex.net> <3a97ef1001050554r650b93c4wc4017dd4223bac1@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1001052056h38f6c22fl7b1002008f833f8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1262755703.2130.11.camel@aragorn> For the record, the DVD was of Edubuntu, which didn't work out too well; the CD install was considerably more successful. In fact, right now I am emailing this list from a working copy of Evolution in X-Windows. The CD was not Edubuntu, but a standard Ubuntu. The install was a "standard" install, I had little to no control over package selection. But at least I now have a 64-bit OS that seems to be in working order. Some steps of the installation were inexplicably slow, especially the screen that showed only the logo. After installation and rebooting everything seems fine. I still need to install several packages, though. They have also hidden superuser from me. I can log on under a normal account, but I have to figure out how to do this as root. Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 05:47:19 2010 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 00:47:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Installing ubuntu 9.10 -- some problems In-Reply-To: <1262755703.2130.11.camel@aragorn> References: <4B418FCE.27209.E8AD6@sciguy.vex.net> <3a97ef1001050554r650b93c4wc4017dd4223bac1@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1001052056h38f6c22fl7b1002008f833f8f@mail.gmail.com> <1262755703.2130.11.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Paul King wrote: > For the record, the DVD was of Edubuntu, which didn't work out too well; > the CD install was considerably more successful. In fact, right now I am > emailing this list from a working copy of Evolution in X-Windows. The CD > was not Edubuntu, but a standard Ubuntu. > > The install was a "standard" install, I had little to no control over > package selection. But at least I now have a 64-bit OS that seems to be > in working order. > > Some steps of the installation were inexplicably slow, especially the > screen that showed only the logo. After installation and rebooting > everything seems fine. I still need to install several packages, though. > > They have also hidden superuser from me. I can log on under a normal > account, but I have to figure out how to do this as root. Don't log in as root; use sudo. If you give root a passwd, (sudo passwd) and you can then log in as root, or use su, etc. -- Chris F.A. Johnson =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 09:55:06 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 04:55:06 -0500 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001052052q6c459586t8ad5aa9d3d9344f2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> <491f66a51001051535q645a9afdx71a548f74af1cf01@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1001052052q6c459586t8ad5aa9d3d9344f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <491f66a51001060155s7a6cfc0cpeedb96cf18b12e04@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: >>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:53 PM, William Muriithi >>> wrote: >>>> Would prefer like Android phone if possible >>> >>> Today is the "feeding frenzy day" for Google's "Nexus One" phone... >>> >>> Based on its capabilities and pricing, I'm thinking that the Nokia >>> N900, which is entirely more "Linux user friendly", is looking rather >>> more appealing than I'd previously thought. >>> >>> I could get an N900 for ~$600 at Newegg. >>> >>> I don't think there are any Android phones that are actually priced >>> lower than that. >> >> Chris, >> >> You can buy a developer phone from google for around 399 us, and you >> can develop on it. >> >> Dave >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > What is the difference (besides being able to do more) between the > commercial and dev phones? Nothing other than it's getting a bit dated. It is also unlocked. Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 13:36:54 2010 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 08:36:54 -0500 Subject: what is the proper way to find page size in C program? Message-ID: <201001060836.55631.icanprogram@295.ca> I've always used the PAGE_SIZE define. However it seems that in more recent Linux implementations this define has been eliminated. What is the proper way to find the Linux page size? A quick Google came up with the function getpagesize(), however this is labelled as legacy. Thanks in advance for your help. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 14:16:41 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:16:41 -0500 Subject: kubuntu 9.10 dual monitor setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f13df281001060616v2ce6d45bn5f3b42980da60648@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/5 Rajinder Yadav : > So it looks like the vid card on my mobo was not liked by kubuntu 9.10 > (NVIDIA Geforce7050PV/nForce 630a) > > I just got my new video card also a nvidia 9500 GT to setup dual > monitors. i was able to get kubuntu 9.10 installed and currently > updating the base > > the video card has 2 dvi output to support dual monitors, one one i am > using a vga adaptor. > > i can't seem to get dual monitor to work? from system settings -> > monitor, i see 2 vid output one is DVI0, the other is VGA2 which seems > correct because these are the two monitors i have plugged in > > what's odd is i can set up different screen resolution for each > monitor, but I only see one desktop, both monitors show the same > desktop. > > how do i get each monitor to show it's own desktop? A friend of mine recently encountered a very similar problem with a Debian install: it could see both the outputs, but wouldn't use them except in mirrored mode. The solution for him was a "Virtual" line in xorg.conf: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2#the_Virtual_screen I hope this helps - in fact, please let me know (off list if you prefer) if it does, as I deal with this fairly frequently myself on various machines. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 14:19:06 2010 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:19:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: what is the proper way to find page size in C program? In-Reply-To: <201001060836.55631.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <201001060836.55631.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, bob 295 wrote: > I've always used the PAGE_SIZE define. However it seems that in > more recent Linux implementations this define has been eliminated. > > What is the proper way to find the Linux page size? A quick Google > came up with the function getpagesize(), however this is labelled as > legacy. $ man sysconf rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 15:00:27 2010 From: alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:00:27 -0300 Subject: kubuntu 9.10 dual monitor setup In-Reply-To: <1f13df281001060616v2ce6d45bn5f3b42980da60648-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281001060616v2ce6d45bn5f3b42980da60648@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Giles Orr wrote: > 2010/1/5 Rajinder Yadav : >> So it looks like the vid card on my mobo was not liked by kubuntu 9.10 >> (NVIDIA Geforce7050PV/nForce 630a) >> >> I just got my new video card also a nvidia 9500 GT to setup dual >> monitors. i was able to get kubuntu 9.10 installed and currently >> updating the base >> >> the video card has 2 dvi output to support dual monitors, one one i am >> using a vga adaptor. >> >> i can't seem to get dual monitor to work? from system settings -> >> monitor, i see 2 vid output one is DVI0, the other is VGA2 which seems >> correct because these are the two monitors i have plugged in >> >> what's odd is i can set up different screen resolution for each >> monitor, but I only see one desktop, both monitors show the same >> desktop. >> >> how do i get each monitor to show it's own desktop? > > A friend of mine recently encountered a very similar problem with a > Debian install: it could see both the outputs, but wouldn't use them > except in mirrored mode. ?The solution for him was a "Virtual" line in > xorg.conf: > > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2#the_Virtual_screen > > I hope this helps - in fact, please let me know (off list if you > prefer) if it does, as I deal with this fairly frequently myself on > various machines. I wrote a small post about this. It's in Brazilian Portuguese, but you can use Google Translate to get it in another langs. The Virtual param should have the sum off all horizontal resolution plus the bigger vertical resolution... So let's say you have a 1280x800 laptop and a 1280x1024 LCD display, you should add a line like this one for Display sub-section of you Screen section. Virtual 2560 1024 For more details, check it here http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/2009/09/melhore-sua-produtividade-no-notebook.html > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Alexandre Alencar (Skarmeth) http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ COBIT, ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 15:29:50 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:29:50 -0500 Subject: kubuntu 9.10 dual monitor setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100106102950.e4b7ef8f.tleslie@tcn.net> doesnt nvidia-settings (or other nvidia app) just allow you to config it? it does for me. however for rotation of one of my monitors i did find i have to go in an edit the xorg file, but for a non rotated set up, the nvidia configuration gui util (which auto updates the xorg file) work great. Just select the view type you want, i.e. mirror, twinview, or whatever, and it does what you want. tl On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:59:34 -0500 Rajinder Yadav wrote: > So it looks like the vid card on my mobo was not liked by kubuntu 9.10 > (NVIDIA Geforce7050PV/nForce 630a) > > I just got my new video card also a nvidia 9500 GT to setup dual > monitors. i was able to get kubuntu 9.10 installed and currently > updating the base > > the video card has 2 dvi output to support dual monitors, one one i am > using a vga adaptor. > > i can't seem to get dual monitor to work? from system settings -> > monitor, i see 2 vid output one is DVI0, the other is VGA2 which seems > correct because these are the two monitors i have plugged in > > what's odd is i can set up different screen resolution for each > monitor, but I only see one desktop, both monitors show the same > desktop. > > how do i get each monitor to show it's own desktop? > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav > > http://DevMentor.org > > Do Good! - Share Freely, Enrich and Empower people to Transform their lives. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 16:27:34 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:27:34 -0500 Subject: kubuntu 9.10 dual monitor setup In-Reply-To: <20100106102950.e4b7ef8f.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100106102950.e4b7ef8f.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:29 AM, ted leslie wrote: > doesnt ?nvidia-settings (or other nvidia app) just allow you to config it? it does for me. i don't see an nvidia setting manager, i looked for this on my system. i planning to build the driver from source, after I image my system tonight, but i have a feeling the drive will not build using the newer gcc from 9.10 as I recall a while backing trying to do this when 9.10 first came out and X was not working. > however for rotation of one of my monitors i did find i have to go in an edit the xorg file, > but for a non rotated set up, the nvidia configuration gui util (which auto updates the xorg file) > work great. Just select the view type you want, i.e. mirror, twinview, or whatever, and it does what you want. > > tl > > On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:59:34 -0500 > Rajinder Yadav wrote: > >> So it looks like the vid card on my mobo was not liked by kubuntu 9.10 >> (NVIDIA Geforce7050PV/nForce 630a) >> >> I just got my new video card also a nvidia 9500 GT to setup dual >> monitors. i was able to get kubuntu 9.10 installed and currently >> updating the base >> >> the video card has 2 dvi output to support dual monitors, one one i am >> using a vga adaptor. >> >> i can't seem to get dual monitor to work? from system settings -> >> monitor, i see 2 vid output one is DVI0, the other is VGA2 which seems >> correct because these are the two monitors i have plugged in >> >> what's odd is i can set up different screen resolution for each >> monitor, but I only see one desktop, both monitors show the same >> desktop. >> >> how do i get each monitor to show it's own desktop? >> >> -- >> Kind Regards, >> Rajinder Yadav >> >> http://DevMentor.org >> >> Do Good! - Share Freely, Enrich and Empower people to Transform their lives. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > -- > ted leslie > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely, Enrich and Empower people to Transform their lives. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 16:30:10 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:30:10 -0500 Subject: kubuntu 9.10 dual monitor setup In-Reply-To: <1f13df281001060616v2ce6d45bn5f3b42980da60648-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281001060616v2ce6d45bn5f3b42980da60648@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Giles Orr wrote: > 2010/1/5 Rajinder Yadav : >> So it looks like the vid card on my mobo was not liked by kubuntu 9.10 >> (NVIDIA Geforce7050PV/nForce 630a) >> >> I just got my new video card also a nvidia 9500 GT to setup dual >> monitors. i was able to get kubuntu 9.10 installed and currently >> updating the base >> >> the video card has 2 dvi output to support dual monitors, one one i am >> using a vga adaptor. >> >> i can't seem to get dual monitor to work? from system settings -> >> monitor, i see 2 vid output one is DVI0, the other is VGA2 which seems >> correct because these are the two monitors i have plugged in >> >> what's odd is i can set up different screen resolution for each >> monitor, but I only see one desktop, both monitors show the same >> desktop. >> >> how do i get each monitor to show it's own desktop? > > A friend of mine recently encountered a very similar problem with a > Debian install: it could see both the outputs, but wouldn't use them > except in mirrored mode. ?The solution for him was a "Virtual" line in > xorg.conf: > > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2#the_Virtual_screen Hi Giles, thanks for this tip, I will look into this tonight and get back to you. I hope this works for the case when the resolution on each monitors is different. > I hope this helps - in fact, please let me know (off list if you > prefer) if it does, as I deal with this fairly frequently myself on > various machines. > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely, Enrich and Empower people to Transform their lives. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 16:40:19 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:40:19 -0500 Subject: OT: How 2 report a Ubuntu bug Message-ID: I will be logging a bug for the display issue I had with my vid card found on my mobo.I just thought that anyone else having problems with release 9.10 may also want to do the same. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely, Enrich and Empower people to Transform their lives. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 16:45:17 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:45:17 -0500 Subject: kubuntu 9.10 dual monitor setup In-Reply-To: References: <20100106102950.e4b7ef8f.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <20100106114517.a168bff0.tleslie@tcn.net> ah, ok, i use the binary drivers from nvidia site, they are very good about being up to date, and usually bug free, so i just use them, and the nvidia-settings, and other app, i believe, are part of the binary install. If from source, i am not sure what is available for gui set up? maybe nothing. i wonder if you could use the set up utils from the binary package from nvidia, whilst using the nvidia kernel drivers from source? tl On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:27:34 -0500 Rajinder Yadav wrote: > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:29 AM, ted leslie wrote: > > doesnt ?nvidia-settings (or other nvidia app) just allow you to config it? it does for me. > > i don't see an nvidia setting manager, i looked for this on my system. > i planning to build the driver from source, after I image my system > tonight, but i have a feeling the drive will not build using the newer > gcc from 9.10 as I recall a while backing trying to do this when 9.10 > first came out and X was not working. > > > however for rotation of one of my monitors i did find i have to go in an edit the xorg file, > > but for a non rotated set up, the nvidia configuration gui util (which auto updates the xorg file) > > work great. Just select the view type you want, i.e. mirror, twinview, or whatever, and it does what you want. > > > > tl > > > > On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:59:34 -0500 > > Rajinder Yadav wrote: > > > >> So it looks like the vid card on my mobo was not liked by kubuntu 9.10 > >> (NVIDIA Geforce7050PV/nForce 630a) > >> > >> I just got my new video card also a nvidia 9500 GT to setup dual > >> monitors. i was able to get kubuntu 9.10 installed and currently > >> updating the base > >> > >> the video card has 2 dvi output to support dual monitors, one one i am > >> using a vga adaptor. > >> > >> i can't seem to get dual monitor to work? from system settings -> > >> monitor, i see 2 vid output one is DVI0, the other is VGA2 which seems > >> correct because these are the two monitors i have plugged in > >> > >> what's odd is i can set up different screen resolution for each > >> monitor, but I only see one desktop, both monitors show the same > >> desktop. > >> > >> how do i get each monitor to show it's own desktop? > >> > >> -- > >> Kind Regards, > >> Rajinder Yadav > >> > >> http://DevMentor.org > >> > >> Do Good! - Share Freely, Enrich and Empower people to Transform their lives. > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > >> > > > > > > -- > > ted leslie > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav > > http://DevMentor.org > > Do Good! - Share Freely, Enrich and Empower people to Transform their lives. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 16:49:28 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:49:28 -0500 Subject: Moving an HD from one comp to another Message-ID: <1f13df281001060849j1fc0829ahbcf5fa626da1f26c@mail.gmail.com> I have a 60Gb USB external 1.8" HD on which I've made a bootable Debian testing installation. It's intended for my Acer Aspire One, which has a very small (8Gb) and slow SSD on-board. This isn't a great solution, but it makes some interesting things possible. The onboard SSD has a fully functional Debian testing install on it. I did the external HD install on another laptop because arranging the install on the AAO was just too much of a pain (it doesn't have a DVD/CD drive and I didn't want to download netinst and make a bootable USB key etc. etc.). When I plug the external drive into the AAO it boots up fine and everything works great ... except for the wired Ethernet card. The appropriate kernel modules appear to be loaded (I compared it against the module list from the working install on the AAO internal HD), but "ifconfig eth0 up" gets this response: "eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device." The main difference in the modules list is that three unneeded firewire modules load (the laptop that I did the install on has firewire). Unloading them doesn't remedy the situation. Is there a simple way to convince the install to re-run the checks for what modules to load, and/or to do the NIC set-up again? Or is there some other way to solve this? Thanks. For the curious, the external HD is noticeably but not hideously slower than the internal SSD. What I'm mostly doing this for is so that I have the room to compile a custom kernel for the system. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 16:51:00 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:51:00 -0500 Subject: kubuntu 9.10 dual monitor setup In-Reply-To: <20100106114517.a168bff0.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100106102950.e4b7ef8f.tleslie@tcn.net> <20100106114517.a168bff0.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:45 AM, ted leslie wrote: > > ah, ok, i use the binary drivers from nvidia site, they are very good about being up to date, and usually > bug free, so i just use them, and the nvidia-settings, and other app, i believe, are part of the > binary install. > If from source, i am not sure what is available for gui set up? maybe nothing. > i wonder if you could use the set up utils from the binary package from nvidia, whilst > using the nvidia kernel drivers ?from source? > I got this response (see comment #4) back from the ubuntu forum, which is what you were telling me http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1373576&highlight=dual I am going to give that a try before updating the video driver, I am not sure what binary drive the installer copied onto my system. I am hoping it was an nvidia one and not some generic driver? will reply back to this post tonight when I get home and give this a go > tl > > On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:27:34 -0500 > Rajinder Yadav wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:29 AM, ted leslie wrote: >> > doesnt ?nvidia-settings (or other nvidia app) just allow you to config it? it does for me. >> >> i don't see an nvidia setting manager, i looked for this on my system. >> i planning to build the driver from source, after I image my system >> tonight, but i have a feeling the drive will not build using the newer >> gcc from 9.10 as I recall a while backing trying to do this when 9.10 >> first came out and X was not working. >> >> > however for rotation of one of my monitors i did find i have to go in an edit the xorg file, >> > but for a non rotated set up, the nvidia configuration gui util (which auto updates the xorg file) >> > work great. Just select the view type you want, i.e. mirror, twinview, or whatever, and it does what you want. >> > >> > tl >> > >> > On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:59:34 -0500 >> > Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> > >> >> So it looks like the vid card on my mobo was not liked by kubuntu 9.10 >> >> (NVIDIA Geforce7050PV/nForce 630a) >> >> >> >> I just got my new video card also a nvidia 9500 GT to setup dual >> >> monitors. i was able to get kubuntu 9.10 installed and currently >> >> updating the base >> >> >> >> the video card has 2 dvi output to support dual monitors, one one i am >> >> using a vga adaptor. >> >> >> >> i can't seem to get dual monitor to work? from system settings -> >> >> monitor, i see 2 vid output one is DVI0, the other is VGA2 which seems >> >> correct because these are the two monitors i have plugged in >> >> >> >> what's odd is i can set up different screen resolution for each >> >> monitor, but I only see one desktop, both monitors show the same >> >> desktop. >> >> >> >> how do i get each monitor to show it's own desktop? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Rajinder Yadav >> >> >> >> http://DevMentor.org >> >> >> >> Do Good! - Share Freely, Enrich and Empower people to Transform their lives. >> > -- >> > ted leslie >> > -- >> >> -- >> Kind Regards, >> Rajinder Yadav >> >> http://DevMentor.org >> > > -- > ted leslie > -- -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely, Enrich and Empower people to Transform their lives. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 17:11:43 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:11:43 -0500 Subject: Retrieving emails from a dead server's hard drive In-Reply-To: References: <20100105202201.GA11088@yam.witteman.ca> <20100105212148.GB8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100105213015.GA12149@yam.witteman.ca> <20100105213233.GD8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100106171143.GA28398@yam.witteman.ca> On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 04:46:59PM -0500, Robert Brockway wrote: >>On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 04:30:15PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >>>One thing that worries me is that the hostnames of the old server and my >>>desktop differ, so the filenames in the maildirs, which include the >>>hostname, will not be uniform. I will test, and report back. >> >>Doesn't matter. They are just unique names. They can be anything. > >Exactly. Infact it is good that the old hostname is in the filename >as is guarantees uniqueness on the new server. > >In my tests the hostnames (and usernames) were different and it all >'just worked' with Dovecot. I tried copying a few of the files, to test, and as luck would have it, they were spam that passed the first round of amavis/spamc, but were caught by the second round of razor/bogofilter - so without looking closely at the logs they didn't seem to be coming through. Once I made a backup and copied everything it did, indeed work as you all suggested. I haven't looked for a while, but it looks like my first round of spam filtration is blocking between 67%-90% of the emails inbound per day, and my procmail-based secondary filter is blocking about 20% of the remaining, per day. Seems like a lot of spam, but it also isn't bothering me at all. I don't like to contemplate life without filters. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 17:17:23 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:17:23 -0500 Subject: Moving an HD from one comp to another In-Reply-To: <1f13df281001060849j1fc0829ahbcf5fa626da1f26c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281001060849j1fc0829ahbcf5fa626da1f26c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100106171723.GG8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 11:49:28AM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > I have a 60Gb USB external 1.8" HD on which I've made a bootable > Debian testing installation. It's intended for my Acer Aspire One, > which has a very small (8Gb) and slow SSD on-board. This isn't a > great solution, but it makes some interesting things possible. The > onboard SSD has a fully functional Debian testing install on it. > > I did the external HD install on another laptop because arranging the > install on the AAO was just too much of a pain (it doesn't have a > DVD/CD drive and I didn't want to download netinst and make a bootable > USB key etc. etc.). When I plug the external drive into the AAO it > boots up fine and everything works great ... except for the wired > Ethernet card. The appropriate kernel modules appear to be loaded (I > compared it against the module list from the working install on the > AAO internal HD), but "ifconfig eth0 up" gets this response: "eth0: > ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device." The main > difference in the modules list is that three unneeded firewire modules > load (the laptop that I did the install on has firewire). Unloading > them doesn't remedy the situation. Check the udev rules. Quite likely the eth of the original machine is listed as eth0 (when detected) and the new machine is probably now eth1. You can fix that up. Usually found in /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistent*net* (I forget the exact name). > Is there a simple way to convince the install to re-run the checks for > what modules to load, and/or to do the NIC set-up again? Or is there > some other way to solve this? Thanks. See above. > For the curious, the external HD is noticeably but not hideously > slower than the internal SSD. What I'm mostly doing this for is so > that I have the room to compile a custom kernel for the system. USB is slow and very cpu intensive compared to pretty much any other interface you could connect a disk to. firewire, SATA, UDMA IDE, etc all have DMA to offload the cpU. Given netbooks usually use atom CPUs, you don't have much cpu available to begin with. Also 1.8" disks are generally rather slow compared to bigger disks. Also the SSD has the advantage of no access time to worry about, while a 1.8" disk will have a rather long access time because of the low rotation speed. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 17:43:33 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:43:33 -0500 Subject: kubuntu 9.10 dual monitor setup In-Reply-To: <20100106114517.a168bff0.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100106102950.e4b7ef8f.tleslie@tcn.net> <20100106114517.a168bff0.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <20100106174333.GH8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 11:45:17AM -0500, ted leslie wrote: > ah, ok, i use the binary drivers from nvidia site, they are very good about being up to date, and usually > bug free, so i just use them, and the nvidia-settings, and other app, i believe, are part of the > binary install. > If from source, i am not sure what is available for gui set up? maybe nothing. > i wonder if you could use the set up utils from the binary package from nvidia, whilst > using the nvidia kernel drivers from source? Debian packages the driver, nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig. no idea if ubuntu has them all packaged, but I would hope so. There should never be a need to go to the crappy package from nvidia for anything. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 6 21:52:44 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:52:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: linuxcaffe seeks LaTeX lover for some down-and-dirty DTP, must give good layout and work for treats Message-ID: <357373.54894.qm@web110816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Do I qualify, Dave? http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/braille/ What do you have in mind? --William On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 08:14:03PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > the google search did NOT go well.. > > I know /some/ of you are into that sort of thing, and if so inclined I > could use a hand. > > age, gender and orientation unimportant > no photo required, but PDFs will be considered. > in-calls preferred > you will leave fatter than you arrived > > ask for "Dave" > > linuxcaffe > 326 Harbord > 416-534-2116 > day or nite __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 7 15:25:48 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:25:48 -0800 Subject: Moving an HD from one comp to another In-Reply-To: <20100106171723.GG8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281001060849j1fc0829ahbcf5fa626da1f26c@mail.gmail.com> <20100106171723.GG8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001070725g2783de84k9d38941779845802@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 11:49:28AM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: >> I have a 60Gb USB external 1.8" HD on which I've made a bootable >> Debian testing installation. ?It's intended for my Acer Aspire One, >> which has a very small (8Gb) and slow SSD on-board. ?This isn't a >> great solution, but it makes some interesting things possible. ?The >> onboard SSD has a fully functional Debian testing install on it. >> >> I did the external HD install on another laptop because arranging the >> install on the AAO was just too much of a pain (it doesn't have a >> DVD/CD drive and I didn't want to download netinst and make a bootable >> USB key etc. etc.). ?When I plug the external drive into the AAO it >> boots up fine and everything works great ... except for the wired >> Ethernet card. ?The appropriate kernel modules appear to be loaded (I >> compared it against the module list from the working install on the >> AAO internal HD), but "ifconfig eth0 up" gets this response: "eth0: >> ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device." ?The main >> difference in the modules list is that three unneeded firewire modules >> load (the laptop that I did the install on has firewire). ?Unloading >> them doesn't remedy the situation. > > Check the udev rules. ?Quite likely the eth of the original machine is > listed as eth0 (when detected) and the new machine is probably now eth1. > You can fix that up. ?Usually found in /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistent*net* > (I forget the exact name). > >> Is there a simple way to convince the install to re-run the checks for >> what modules to load, and/or to do the NIC set-up again? ?Or is there >> some other way to solve this? ?Thanks. > > See above. > >> For the curious, the external HD is noticeably but not hideously >> slower than the internal SSD. ?What I'm mostly doing this for is so >> that I have the room to compile a custom kernel for the system. > > USB is slow and very cpu intensive compared to pretty much any other > interface you could connect a disk to. > > firewire, SATA, UDMA IDE, etc all have DMA to offload the cpU. > > Given netbooks usually use atom CPUs, you don't have much cpu available > to begin with. ?Also 1.8" disks are generally rather slow compared to > bigger disks. ?Also the SSD has the advantage of no access time to worry > about, while a 1.8" disk will have a rather long access time because of > the low rotation speed. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules I ran into the same issue when those particular rules were first introduced. Had a small LAN-server box die, moved the drives, and everything worked except the NIC which in some places was eth0 and others eth3. Seems that the persistent net rules like to reserve the old eth0/etc names for whatever cards used to exist and cause all sorts of havoc on a switch. Nuking them and reboot worked for me too :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 7 15:31:54 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:31:54 -0800 Subject: Retrieving emails from a dead server's hard drive In-Reply-To: <20100106171143.GA28398-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100105202201.GA11088@yam.witteman.ca> <20100105212148.GB8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100105213015.GA12149@yam.witteman.ca> <20100105213233.GD8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100106171143.GA28398@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001070731j7a4d138eh4847a0797161f506@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:11 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 04:46:59PM -0500, Robert Brockway wrote: >>>On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 04:30:15PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >>>>One thing that worries me is that the hostnames of the old server and my >>>>desktop differ, so the filenames in the maildirs, which include the >>>>hostname, will not be uniform. ?I will test, and report back. >>> >>>Doesn't matter. ?They are just unique names. ?They can be anything. >> >>Exactly. ?Infact it is good that the old hostname is in the filename >>as is guarantees uniqueness on the new server. >> >>In my tests the hostnames (and usernames) were different and it all >>'just worked' with Dovecot. > > I tried copying a few of the files, to test, and as luck would have it, > they were spam that passed the first round of amavis/spamc, but were > caught by the second round of razor/bogofilter - so without looking > closely at the logs they didn't seem to be coming through. > > Once I made a backup and copied everything it did, indeed work as you > all suggested. > > I haven't looked for a while, but it looks like my first round of spam > filtration is blocking between 67%-90% of the emails inbound per day, > and my procmail-based secondary filter is blocking about 20% of the > remaining, per day. ?Seems like a lot of spam, but it also isn't > bothering me at all. ?I don't like to contemplate life without filters. > -- > > yours, > > William > > I used to run my own mail setup, but got tired of the endless battle against SPAM and reconfiguring when the box got moved around a bunch of times. I eventually moved to using google's (free if you're not-for-profit) email hosting under my own domain. I thought my SPAM filtering was pretty good, but theirs is just bloody amazing. I maybe see one or two junk mails every few months, and almost zilch for false positives. I guess they just have more reports/feedback to compare against, but I wonder what filters they use and if they're publicly available. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 7 16:36:38 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:36:38 -0500 Subject: Moving an HD from one comp to another In-Reply-To: <20100106171723.GG8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281001060849j1fc0829ahbcf5fa626da1f26c@mail.gmail.com> <20100106171723.GG8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1f13df281001070836p598cf51fje487e936b8cef927@mail.gmail.com> 2010/1/6 Lennart Sorensen : > On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 11:49:28AM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: >> I have a 60Gb USB external 1.8" HD on which I've made a bootable >> Debian testing installation. ?It's intended for my Acer Aspire One, >> which has a very small (8Gb) and slow SSD on-board. ?This isn't a >> great solution, but it makes some interesting things possible. ?The >> onboard SSD has a fully functional Debian testing install on it. >> >> I did the external HD install on another laptop because arranging the >> install on the AAO was just too much of a pain (it doesn't have a >> DVD/CD drive and I didn't want to download netinst and make a bootable >> USB key etc. etc.). ?When I plug the external drive into the AAO it >> boots up fine and everything works great ... except for the wired >> Ethernet card. ?The appropriate kernel modules appear to be loaded (I >> compared it against the module list from the working install on the >> AAO internal HD), but "ifconfig eth0 up" gets this response: "eth0: >> ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device." ?The main >> difference in the modules list is that three unneeded firewire modules >> load (the laptop that I did the install on has firewire). ?Unloading >> them doesn't remedy the situation. > > Check the udev rules. ?Quite likely the eth of the original machine is > listed as eth0 (when detected) and the new machine is probably now eth1. > You can fix that up. ?Usually found in /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistent*net* > (I forget the exact name). Exactly right, as usual. Thank you!! >> Is there a simple way to convince the install to re-run the checks for >> what modules to load, and/or to do the NIC set-up again? ?Or is there >> some other way to solve this? ?Thanks. > > See above. > >> For the curious, the external HD is noticeably but not hideously >> slower than the internal SSD. ?What I'm mostly doing this for is so >> that I have the room to compile a custom kernel for the system. > > USB is slow and very cpu intensive compared to pretty much any other > interface you could connect a disk to. > > firewire, SATA, UDMA IDE, etc all have DMA to offload the cpU. > > Given netbooks usually use atom CPUs, you don't have much cpu available > to begin with. ?Also 1.8" disks are generally rather slow compared to > bigger disks. ?Also the SSD has the advantage of no access time to worry > about, while a 1.8" disk will have a rather long access time because of > the low rotation speed. I've always known that USB caused very high CPU loads. Now I know why - thanks. As I said - it's slow, but tolerable so I'll probably continue to use it. It's a trade-off I'm willing to make. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 7 16:57:25 2010 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:57:25 -0500 Subject: Retrieving emails from a dead server's hard drive In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001070731j7a4d138eh4847a0797161f506-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20100105202201.GA11088@yam.witteman.ca> <20100105212148.GB8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100105213015.GA12149@yam.witteman.ca> <20100105213233.GD8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100106171143.GA28398@yam.witteman.ca> <3a97ef1001070731j7a4d138eh4847a0797161f506@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B461275.20503@rogers.com> Tyler Aviss wrote: > I thought my SPAM filtering was pretty good, but theirs is just bloody > amazing. I maybe see one or two junk mails every few months, and > almost zilch for false positives. I guess they just have more > reports/feedback to compare against, but I wonder what filters they > use and if they're publicly available. Wild speculation on my part, but my guess is that humans may be involved. If some spam makes it through the filter, then if someone reads their email, and reports it as spam, then it can be further investigated. If it really is spam, then they could be nuked from people's mailboxes before they check their email. I'm not sure how to explain the lack of false positives, other than "how would you really know, unless you checked all your spam for real email?" BTW, I've never used Google mail, so I don't know what the interface is like. -- Yanni -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 7 17:04:21 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:04:21 -0500 Subject: Retrieving emails from a dead server's hard drive In-Reply-To: <4B461275.20503-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100105202201.GA11088@yam.witteman.ca> <20100105212148.GB8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100105213015.GA12149@yam.witteman.ca> <20100105213233.GD8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100106171143.GA28398@yam.witteman.ca> <3a97ef1001070731j7a4d138eh4847a0797161f506@mail.gmail.com> <4B461275.20503@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100107170421.GI8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 11:57:25AM -0500, Yanni Chiu wrote: > Tyler Aviss wrote: >> I thought my SPAM filtering was pretty good, but theirs is just bloody >> amazing. I maybe see one or two junk mails every few months, and >> almost zilch for false positives. I guess they just have more >> reports/feedback to compare against, but I wonder what filters they >> use and if they're publicly available. Well my wife gets tons of false positives on gmail. I almost never get any. Of course gmail has the advantage of being able to see the same message sent to 100000 people at the same time. Pretty good clue it was spam. > Wild speculation on my part, but my guess is that humans may be > involved. If some spam makes it through the filter, then if someone > reads their email, and reports it as spam, then it can be further > investigated. If it really is spam, then they could be nuked from > people's mailboxes before they check their email. > > I'm not sure how to explain the lack of false positives, other than "how > would you really know, unless you checked all your spam for real email?" I do that. Of course I just quickly read over the subjects and senders in the spam folder before deleting them. > BTW, I've never used Google mail, so I don't know what the interface is > like. spam goes in a seperate "folder" from which it is deleted automatically if it sits there for more than 30 days or something like that, or you can select it and purge it yourself (which is what I do). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devonrose-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 7 21:10:19 2010 From: devonrose-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Devon Aitken) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:10:19 -0500 Subject: Pidgin Message-ID: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> My siblings used to use gaim with Linux. I'm a new Linux user and when I installed with sudo apt-get install gaim it came up as Pidgin. When I tried to use it it said that the server does not support our protocol. Is there anyway around this? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 7 21:14:55 2010 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:14:55 -0500 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: <4B464DBB.8040200-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> Message-ID: What protocol are you trying to connect to? On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Devon Aitken wrote: > My siblings used to use gaim with Linux. I'm a new Linux user and when I > installed with sudo apt-get install gaim it came up as Pidgin. When I tried > to use it it said that the server does not support our protocol. Is there > anyway around this? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Myles Braithwaite me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org http://mylesbraithwaite.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devonrose-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 7 21:16:55 2010 From: devonrose-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Devon Aitken) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:16:55 -0500 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: References: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4B464F47.30304@vianet.ca> Myles Braithwaite wrote: > What protocol are you trying to connect to? > MSN > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Devon Aitken wrote: > >> My siblings used to use gaim with Linux. I'm a new Linux user and when I >> installed with sudo apt-get install gaim it came up as Pidgin. When I tried >> to use it it said that the server does not support our protocol. Is there >> anyway around this? >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 7 21:37:09 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:37:09 -0500 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: <4B464DBB.8040200-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4B465405.8060304@alteeve.com> Devon Aitken wrote: > My siblings used to use gaim with Linux. I'm a new Linux user and when I > installed with sudo apt-get install gaim it came up as Pidgin. When I > tried to use it it said that the server does not support our protocol. > Is there anyway around this? AOL got on their case about their name, so they changed it. As for MSN, I just tested my old MSN account and it connected fine. Settings; Server: messenger.hotmail.com Port: 1863 Protocol: MSN Username: (full email address) Password: (your secret) That's it. If it still doesn't work, let us know what version you are using. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devonrose-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 7 22:00:11 2010 From: devonrose-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Devon Aitken) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:00:11 -0500 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: <4B465405.8060304-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> <4B465405.8060304@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B46596B.6040805@vianet.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > Devon Aitken wrote: >> My siblings used to use gaim with Linux. I'm a new Linux user and >> when I installed with sudo apt-get install gaim it came up as Pidgin. >> When I tried to use it it said that the server does not support our >> protocol. Is there anyway around this? > > AOL got on their case about their name, so they changed it. > > As for MSN, I just tested my old MSN account and it connected fine. > > Settings; > Server: messenger.hotmail.com > Port: 1863 > Protocol: MSN > Username: (full email address) > Password: (your secret) > > That's it. If it still doesn't work, let us know what version you are > using. > > Madi > -- It worked for a little while. Everything seemed to be working for about 2 minutes then it asked for my password so I typed it. Then the error showed again saying my e-mail was disconnected and also said "Our protocol is not supported by the server." again. > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 7 22:04:52 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:04:52 -0500 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: <4B46596B.6040805-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> <4B465405.8060304@alteeve.com> <4B46596B.6040805@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4B465A84.6010505@alteeve.com> Devon Aitken wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: >> Devon Aitken wrote: >>> My siblings used to use gaim with Linux. I'm a new Linux user and >>> when I installed with sudo apt-get install gaim it came up as Pidgin. >>> When I tried to use it it said that the server does not support our >>> protocol. Is there anyway around this? >> >> AOL got on their case about their name, so they changed it. >> >> As for MSN, I just tested my old MSN account and it connected fine. >> >> Settings; >> Server: messenger.hotmail.com >> Port: 1863 >> Protocol: MSN >> Username: (full email address) >> Password: (your secret) >> >> That's it. If it still doesn't work, let us know what version you are >> using. >> >> Madi >> -- > It worked for a little while. Everything seemed to be working for about > 2 minutes then it asked for my password so I typed it. Then the error > showed again saying my e-mail was disconnected and also said "Our > protocol is not supported by the server." again. MS is always trying to break support with third party clients... Check your version and see if there is a newer version available for download. If you need help, let us know what version you are running and what Linux distro and version you are running. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devonrose-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 7 22:33:16 2010 From: devonrose-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Devon Aitken) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:33:16 -0500 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: <4B465A84.6010505-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> <4B465405.8060304@alteeve.com> <4B46596B.6040805@vianet.ca> <4B465A84.6010505@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B46612C.7000200@vianet.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > Devon Aitken wrote: >> Madison Kelly wrote: >>> Devon Aitken wrote: >>>> My siblings used to use gaim with Linux. I'm a new Linux user and >>>> when I installed with sudo apt-get install gaim it came up as >>>> Pidgin. When I tried to use it it said that the server does not >>>> support our protocol. Is there anyway around this? >>> >>> AOL got on their case about their name, so they changed it. >>> >>> As for MSN, I just tested my old MSN account and it connected fine. >>> >>> Settings; >>> Server: messenger.hotmail.com >>> Port: 1863 >>> Protocol: MSN >>> Username: (full email address) >>> Password: (your secret) >>> >>> That's it. If it still doesn't work, let us know what version you >>> are using. >>> >>> Madi >>> -- >> It worked for a little while. Everything seemed to be working for >> about 2 minutes then it asked for my password so I typed it. Then the >> error showed again saying my e-mail was disconnected and also said >> "Our protocol is not supported by the server." again. > > MS is always trying to break support with third party clients... Check > your version and see if there is a newer version available for > download. If you need help, let us know what version you are running > and what Linux distro and version you are running. Ubuntu version 2.6.24-16-generic and the version for Pidgin is 2.4.1 > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 7 22:53:17 2010 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:53:17 -0500 Subject: Looking to give away *old* linux PCs Message-ID: I'm going on 6 months sabbatical and have to put our stuff in storage, which is providing an excellent opportunity to purge. I have 3 old Intel boxes (Pentium 4, Pro, and ???), and at least one Alpha Multia that haven't been powered on in several years. I can't imagine that anyone wants any of them to run, but I have this micro- memory of there being a place that wants old machines to teach people to take them apart, etc. Does this ring any bells? Or does anyone have any other suggestions? I also have a LaCie Electron 22blue IV - display - CRT - 22" a really nice piece of glass that works great and would be a shame to put in the dumpster. Anybody wants it, come and pick it up (downtown Toronto - Shuter&Jarvis). For the record, I also have a circa 1982 PDP-11 midsize rackmount chassis that I think I can sell for scrap (50lbs of lead bars, 5 lbs of copper, 75lbs of steel), but if anybody has other ideas, I'm open. Thanks, ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 00:56:24 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:56:24 -0500 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: <4B46612C.7000200-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> <4B465405.8060304@alteeve.com> <4B46596B.6040805@vianet.ca> <4B465A84.6010505@alteeve.com> <4B46612C.7000200@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4B4682B8.7060307@alteeve.com> Devon Aitken wrote: >> MS is always trying to break support with third party clients... Check >> your version and see if there is a newer version available for >> download. If you need help, let us know what version you are running >> and what Linux distro and version you are running. > Ubuntu version 2.6.24-16-generic and the version for Pidgin is 2.4.1 Can you tell me what this command prints? cat /etc/issue && uname -a I'm running Ubuntu 9.10 (x86_64) and I've got Pidgin v2.6.2. I suspect an update will help you resolve the issues? Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From brownn0-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 01:34:10 2010 From: brownn0-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Neil Brown) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:34:10 -0500 Subject: Looking to give away *old* linux PCs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B468B92.604@gmail.com> Dave, I would be interested in the CRT. I could pick it up tomorrow or Sunday. There's a computer museum in Brantford, Ontario. Here's their web page - http://www.pcmuseum.ca/. You can reply to my email, brownn0-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org thanks, Neil On 1/7/2010 5:53 PM, Dave Mason wrote: > I'm going on 6 months sabbatical and have to put our stuff in storage, > which is providing an excellent opportunity to purge. > > I have 3 old Intel boxes (Pentium 4, Pro, and ???), and at least one > Alpha Multia that haven't been powered on in several years. I can't > imagine that anyone wants any of them to run, but I have this > micro-memory of there being a place that wants old machines to teach > people to take them apart, etc. > > Does this ring any bells? Or does anyone have any other suggestions? > > I also have a LaCie Electron 22blue IV - display - CRT - 22" a really > nice piece of glass that works great and would be a shame to put in > the dumpster. Anybody wants it, come and pick it up (downtown Toronto > - Shuter&Jarvis). > > For the record, I also have a circa 1982 PDP-11 midsize rackmount > chassis that I think I can sell for scrap (50lbs of lead bars, 5 lbs > of copper, 75lbs of steel), but if anybody has other ideas, I'm open. > > Thanks, ../Dave > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devonrose-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 12:45:51 2010 From: devonrose-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Devon Aitken) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 07:45:51 -0500 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: <4B4682B8.7060307-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> <4B465405.8060304@alteeve.com> <4B46596B.6040805@vianet.ca> <4B465A84.6010505@alteeve.com> <4B46612C.7000200@vianet.ca> <4B4682B8.7060307@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B4728FF.7020904@vianet.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > Devon Aitken wrote: >>> MS is always trying to break support with third party clients... >>> Check your version and see if there is a newer version available for >>> download. If you need help, let us know what version you are running >>> and what Linux distro and version you are running. >> Ubuntu version 2.6.24-16-generic and the version for Pidgin is 2.4.1 > > Can you tell me what this command prints? > > cat /etc/issue && uname -a devon at devon-desktop:~$ cat /etc/issue && uname -a Ubuntu 8.04 \n \l Linux devon-desktop 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux devon at devon-desktop:~$ > > I'm running Ubuntu 9.10 (x86_64) and I've got Pidgin v2.6.2. I suspect > an update will help you resolve the issues? > > Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 13:03:14 2010 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:03:14 -0500 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: <4B4728FF.7020904-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> <4B465405.8060304@alteeve.com> <4B46596B.6040805@vianet.ca> <4B465A84.6010505@alteeve.com> <4B46612C.7000200@vianet.ca> <4B4682B8.7060307@alteeve.com> <4B4728FF.7020904@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <82cfee536e61359f640c490a7842656e.squirrel@www.webmail.execulink.com> > Madison Kelly wrote: >> Devon Aitken wrote: >>>> MS is always trying to break support with third party clients... >>>> Check your version and see if there is a newer version available for >>>> download. If you need help, let us know what version you are running >>>> and what Linux distro and version you are running. >>> Ubuntu version 2.6.24-16-generic and the version for Pidgin is 2.4.1 >> >> Can you tell me what this command prints? >> >> cat /etc/issue && uname -a > devon at devon-desktop:~$ cat /etc/issue && uname -a > Ubuntu 8.04 \n \l > > Linux devon-desktop 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC > 2008 i686 GNU/Linux > devon at devon-desktop:~$ > >> >> I'm running Ubuntu 9.10 (x86_64) and I've got Pidgin v2.6.2. I suspect >> an update will help you resolve the issues? >> >> Madi > You could also use AMSN. It tends to be more like MSN. John ---------------------------- Powered by Execulink Webmail http://www.execulink.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 14:39:40 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:39:40 -0500 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: <4B4728FF.7020904-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> <4B465405.8060304@alteeve.com> <4B46596B.6040805@vianet.ca> <4B465A84.6010505@alteeve.com> <4B46612C.7000200@vianet.ca> <4B4682B8.7060307@alteeve.com> <4B4728FF.7020904@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4B4743AC.2030109@alteeve.com> Devon Aitken wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: >> Devon Aitken wrote: >>>> MS is always trying to break support with third party clients... >>>> Check your version and see if there is a newer version available for >>>> download. If you need help, let us know what version you are running >>>> and what Linux distro and version you are running. >>> Ubuntu version 2.6.24-16-generic and the version for Pidgin is 2.4.1 >> >> Can you tell me what this command prints? >> >> cat /etc/issue && uname -a > devon at devon-desktop:~$ cat /etc/issue && uname -a > Ubuntu 8.04 \n \l > > Linux devon-desktop 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC > 2008 i686 GNU/Linux > devon at devon-desktop:~$ Ah, That's four versions behind the current release. It's a fine release, mind you, but it's not kept up to date anymore, so when things like compatibility issues arise, they are rarely addressed. You can try AMSN as John suggested, you can try installing a newer version of Pidgin or you can upgrade you Ubuntu install. Sorry, none of these are ideal solutions... It's tricky to maintain old versions of programs sometimes. Let us know which path you choose and how it works out and/or if you want any help! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 14:57:07 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:57:07 -0500 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: <4B464DBB.8040200-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Devon Aitken wrote: > My siblings used to use gaim with Linux. I'm a new Linux user and when I > installed with sudo apt-get install gaim it came up as Pidgin. When I tried > to use it it said that the server does not support our protocol. Is there > anyway around this? Regrettably, this happens to be one of the cases where the only way to attain any sort of "stability" is by sitting on the "bleeding edge." There has been something of a battle between folks running servers (e.g. - Microsoft) and folks implementing clients trying to connect to such servers. If you're not on the latest version of software like Pidgin, it's liable to be a version that the servers won't talk to. It's highly unfortunate: for a lot of software, stability means not needing to upgrade hardly ever, but this is a case where you need to slavishly track the VERY latest versions :-(. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Ted Turner - "Sports is like a war without the killing." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/ted_turner.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 15:36:08 2010 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:36:08 -0500 Subject: Looking to give away *old* linux PCs In-Reply-To: <4B468B92.604-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B468B92.604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4750E8.70502@rogers.com> Neil Brown wrote: > I would be interested in the CRT. I could pick it up tomorrow or > Sunday. There's a computer museum in Brantford, Ontario. Here's their > web page - http://www.pcmuseum.ca/. And you don't want the Alpha. If it's a DEC Alpha, wouldn't that be a museum piece. IIRC, DEC shutdown their Alpha cpu division, and many of those engineers went to AMD. BTW, I'm looking at my bookshelf for old software and manuals. Maybe I'll take a drive out there in the spring/summer. -- Yanni -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 16:37:37 2010 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:37:37 -0500 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: References: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <1262968657.9864.2.camel@hatsya.starnix.com> On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 16:14 -0500, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > What protocol are you trying to connect to? My guess is MSN. I had to go to pidgin's home for the latest version. I'm on ubuntu 8.04 on my desktop and they didn't seem to consider xthe MSN protocol change worthy of an update. HTH, --matt > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Devon Aitken wrote: > > My siblings used to use gaim with Linux. I'm a new Linux user and when I > > installed with sudo apt-get install gaim it came up as Pidgin. When I tried > > to use it it said that the server does not support our protocol. Is there > > anyway around this? > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tug.williams-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 17:39:38 2010 From: tug.williams-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (tug williams) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:39:38 -0600 Subject: shutdown leaves "not cleanly unmounted" disk and /dev/sdb3 is invalid Message-ID: <4B476DDA.2050700@gmail.com> eee 701 with linux on an 8Gb external SD card (/dev/sdb). I logout of icewm then shutdown from gdm. When I reboot I get the following message >> Determining root device... !! Block device /dev/sdb3 is not a valid root device... !! Could not find the root block in . Please specify another value or: root block device() :: _ I enter /dev/sdb3 - exactly the same device it complained about! and it continues booting for a while. But then says that "/ was not cleanly unmounted. check forced:" It fixes the disk, forces a reboot, repeats the complaint about /dev/sdb3 not being valid. I manually reenter /dev/sdb3 again and it boots correctly. I think this could be related to the fact that I installed linux on the memory Card from a usb stick. My eee 701 configuration is 4 Gb internal SSD /dev/sda 8 Gb external SDHC /dev/sdb However if you boot up with a USB stick plugged in also, it decides that 4 Gb internal SSD /dev/sda 8 Gb USB stick /dev/sdb 8 Gb external SDHC /dev/sdc So after I installed from a USB stick to the external SD card, and rebooted without the usb stick I had to modify grub.conf and /etc/fstab to point to the "new" place (changed from /dev/sdc* to /dev/sdb*). This boot process is beginning to irritate me. Any thoughts about how to resolve this properly? Thanks Tug -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 18:01:17 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:01:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Looking to give away *old* linux PCs In-Reply-To: <4B4750E8.70502-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B468B92.604@gmail.com> <4B4750E8.70502@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: Yanni Chiu | And you don't want the Alpha. If it's a DEC Alpha, wouldn't that be a museum | piece. Yeah. Dave loaned me a Multia some years ago. I found it quite difficult to get running under Linux. I ended up passing it on to Lennart. Drew also had one. The Alpha-based Multias were actually quite slow, at least if you didn't have the optional memory cache. They had required notebook hard drives, and even then, not all fit. They had firmware that supported NT and not Unix, or vice versa (I don't remember). Linux seemed to require the firmware for NT, if I remember correctly. The ARC firmware for the Multia had a severe bug that would cause it to go into an infinite loop if some (emulated) instruction was executed. Summary: although the Alpha chip had a great architecture, DEC did a number of things to kneecap it, especially in the Multia. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 20:25:34 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:25:34 -0500 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: <4B464DBB.8040200-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4B4794BE.4000400@ve3syb.ca> Devon Aitken wrote: > My siblings used to use gaim with Linux. I'm a new Linux user and when I > installed with sudo apt-get install gaim it came up as Pidgin. I currently use Pidgin 2.6.2 on a machine running Ubuntu 9.10 have no trouble connecting to the MSN/hotmail IM system. Prior to switching to Ubuntu, I was running Fedora 8 with Pidgin and had no problem with that either. Couldn't tell you the version of Pidgin I had at the moment. You should double check the configuration of Pidgin. Also, make sure your system is up-to-date and using the latest packages. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devonrose-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 20:42:49 2010 From: devonrose-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Devon Aitken) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:42:49 -0500 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: <82cfee536e61359f640c490a7842656e.squirrel-veW9BSAVxvPn6SmLWzi+C9sbwa4tyQxpAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> <4B465405.8060304@alteeve.com> <4B46596B.6040805@vianet.ca> <4B465A84.6010505@alteeve.com> <4B46612C.7000200@vianet.ca> <4B4682B8.7060307@alteeve.com> <4B4728FF.7020904@vianet.ca> <82cfee536e61359f640c490a7842656e.squirrel@www.webmail.execulink.com> Message-ID: <4B4798C9.6000501@vianet.ca> jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org wrote: >> Madison Kelly wrote: >> >>> Devon Aitken wrote: >>> >>>>> MS is always trying to break support with third party clients... >>>>> Check your version and see if there is a newer version available for >>>>> download. If you need help, let us know what version you are running >>>>> and what Linux distro and version you are running. >>>>> >>>> Ubuntu version 2.6.24-16-generic and the version for Pidgin is 2.4.1 >>>> >>> Can you tell me what this command prints? >>> >>> cat /etc/issue && uname -a >>> >> devon at devon-desktop:~$ cat /etc/issue && uname -a >> Ubuntu 8.04 \n \l >> >> Linux devon-desktop 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC >> 2008 i686 GNU/Linux >> devon at devon-desktop:~$ >> >> >>> I'm running Ubuntu 9.10 (x86_64) and I've got Pidgin v2.6.2. I suspect >>> an update will help you resolve the issues? >>> >>> Madi >>> > > You could also use AMSN. It tends to be more like MSN. > > John > > I tried using aMSN and it works perfectly! Thank you so much to all of you who helped. > Devon > ---------------------------- > Powered by Execulink Webmail > http://www.execulink.com/ > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 21:59:18 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:59:18 -0500 Subject: GPU programming, anyone? In-Reply-To: <626176.94437.qm-Y34AK2gV3Gz6X00i2u5GFvu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <626176.94437.qm@web110803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B47AAB6.1020405@ve3syb.ca> William Park wrote: > Has anyone looked into GPU programming? On nVidia side, > CUDA is what I'm supposed read, if I want to use my GeForce > 8500GT. But, what's on ATI side? There was a Google Summer of Code project to make use of GPU's with the GIMP project by adding the support to the GEGL library that GIMP is starting to use. You can take a look at that branch of the project to see what they were using. I don't recall which library was being used. The GEGL branch to look at is gsoc2009-gpu. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 22:00:12 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:00:12 -0500 Subject: Looking to give away *old* linux PCs In-Reply-To: <4B4750E8.70502-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B468B92.604@gmail.com> <4B4750E8.70502@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100108220012.GJ8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 10:36:08AM -0500, Yanni Chiu wrote: > And you don't want the Alpha. If it's a DEC Alpha, wouldn't that be a > museum piece. IIRC, DEC shutdown their Alpha cpu division, and many of > those engineers went to AMD. Actually they sold that division to intel as part of the settlement of a lawsuit (that intel lost I believe). I think intel is still making a few alpha chips. Where do you think they got hyperthreading from and lately the quickpath bus? > BTW, I'm looking at my bookshelf for old software and manuals. Maybe > I'll take a drive out there in the spring/summer. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 22:01:27 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:01:27 -0500 Subject: Looking to give away *old* linux PCs In-Reply-To: References: <4B468B92.604@gmail.com> <4B4750E8.70502@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100108220127.GK8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 01:01:17PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Yeah. > > Dave loaned me a Multia some years ago. I found it quite difficult to > get running under Linux. I ended up passing it on to Lennart. It works, unfortunately with 32MB ram you can't boot linux on it anymore. Needs 64MB at least and I can't find any more ram for it. The newer and bigger alphas boot fine. > Drew also had one. > > The Alpha-based Multias were actually quite slow, at least if you > didn't have the optional memory cache. They had required notebook > hard drives, and even then, not all fit. They had firmware that > supported NT and not Unix, or vice versa (I don't remember). Linux > seemed to require the firmware for NT, if I remember correctly. The > ARC firmware for the Multia had a severe bug that would cause it to go > into an infinite loop if some (emulated) instruction was executed. They were notebook scsi drives. Good luck finding one. > Summary: although the Alpha chip had a great architecture, DEC did a > number of things to kneecap it, especially in the Multia. DEC marketing did mostly everything wrong. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 22:12:25 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:12:25 -0500 Subject: OT: How 2 report a Ubuntu bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B47ADC9.5030501@ve3syb.ca> Rajinder Yadav wrote: > I will be logging a bug for the display issue I had with my vid card > found on my mobo.I just thought that anyone else having problems with > release 9.10 may also want to do the same. If someone else is having the same, or a similar, problem it would be better to have their notes added to the bug report you are filing instead of opening a new report. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 22:48:23 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:48:23 -0500 Subject: OT: new Gigabyte motherboard weirdness Message-ID: <1f13df281001081448n3eac520cg91cc05868719820e@mail.gmail.com> Newegg is advertising a special on the new Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3P motherboard. I thought it looked nice, but wanted to read up on the specs. Over at Gigabyte's site [1] I find out: "When set Turbo SATA3 / USB3.0 (Marvell 9128 /NEC USB 3.0 Controller) to enable in BIOS setup, 1st PCIex16 slot will run at x8 bandwidth and 2nd PCIex16 slot will be disabled." Why would you put a second PCI-e slot on the board if you're going to disable it when the user actually tries to _use_ other features? The people who are likely to use both PCI-e slots are also the early adopters who are going to use SATA3 or USB3. This strikes me as a poor design and a hell of a way to alienate people who didn't read their specs carefully enough. I thought Gigabyte was better than this? The 2nd PCIex16 slot was never actually x16: it runs at x4 at the best of times, so I guess the "x16" part only indicates the physical size of the slot. As a non-gamer who runs Linux and wants multiple heads, was I likely to notice that my nvidia card in that slot was bandwidth-choked? (I'm curious about the answer to this question without regard to the motherboard.) [1] http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=3253&ProductName=GA-P55A-UD3P -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 23:05:56 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:05:56 -0500 Subject: OT: How 2 report a Ubuntu bug In-Reply-To: <4B47ADC9.5030501-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B47ADC9.5030501@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> >> I will be logging a bug for the display issue I had with my vid card >> found on my mobo.I just thought that anyone else having problems with >> release 9.10 may also want to do the same. > > If someone else is having the same, or a similar, problem it would be better > to have their notes added to the bug report you are filing instead of > opening a new report. > -- that's a good suggestion, duplication overhead takes away time from engineers -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 23:05:58 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:05:58 -0500 Subject: Ted Ts'o on Ext4, BtrFS and first steps with Linux Message-ID: <7c50d3571001081505k1a34fe51l46ef587db23b0731@mail.gmail.com> There's a video on the article's site, it's 16 minutes long, but it's got some good info, check it out: "Linux Magazine Online took the opportunity of Fosdem 2009 in Brussels to track down and talk to kernel developer and CTO of the Linux Foundation, Ted Ts'o. Ted talks about the improved acceleration of ext4 and the difference between ext4 and BtrFS. He explains who actually pays him, and why he's on assignment from IBM. Subsequently, Ted reminisces about what he did with Linux when he first discovered it in the 1990's." http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Video-Ted-Ts-o-on-Ext4-BtrFS-and-first-steps-with-Linux -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 23:09:51 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:09:51 -0500 Subject: Looking to give away *old* linux PCs In-Reply-To: <20100108220127.GK8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B468B92.604@gmail.com> <4B4750E8.70502@rogers.com> <20100108220127.GK8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> Summary: although the Alpha chip had a great architecture, DEC did a >> number of things to kneecap it, especially in the Multia. > > DEC marketing did mostly everything wrong. The classic joke was that if they were fighting their way out of a wet paper bag, surface tension would be an insurmountable problem. I've got a non-functioning Multia in my closet... Pretty but slow... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Jonathan Swift - "May you live every day of your life." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/jonathan_swift.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 8 23:38:38 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:38:38 -0500 Subject: kubuntu 9.10 dual monitor setup In-Reply-To: <20100106174333.GH8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100106102950.e4b7ef8f.tleslie@tcn.net> <20100106114517.a168bff0.tleslie@tcn.net> <20100106174333.GH8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 11:45:17AM -0500, ted leslie wrote: >> ah, ok, i use the binary drivers from nvidia site, they are very good about being up to date, and usually >> bug free, so i just use them, and the nvidia-settings, and other app, i believe, are part of the >> binary install. >> If from source, i am not sure what is available for gui set up? maybe nothing. >> i wonder if you could use the set up utils from the binary package from nvidia, whilst >> using the nvidia kernel drivers ?from source? > > Debian packages the driver, nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig. ?no idea > if ubuntu has them all packaged, but I would hope so. ?There should > never be a need to go to the crappy package from nvidia for anything. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- i definitely didn't have a nvidia compatible drive on my system after a fresh kubuntu 9.10 install, ever after the system update. I had to download nvidia driver and build that to get dual monitor to work, thank goodness i had the driver downloaded because KDE kept hanging on the 2nd bootup after i updated linux? so i had to boot to rescue mode and build. i also had to enable Xinerama mode, otherwise the 2nd monitor was a black screen and i could not get anything over to it, only the mouse cursor was displaying and it was the ugly X screen type not the KDE pointer. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jemlistt-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 9 00:50:31 2010 From: jemlistt-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (jemlistt-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 19:50:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Interested in a Cfengine book In-Reply-To: <20100101161942.GB7057-8agRmHhQ+n0LFV1hc+Bozg@public.gmane.org> References: <20100101161942.GB7057@watson-wilon.ca> Message-ID: <30dbe98d099197f0b4660dc8eaacfec2@webmail.look.ca> > Greetings, > > I'd just like to take a quick pole on who would be interested in a > Cfengine book if such a book were published, probably by O'Reilly. > > Sincerely, > -- > Neil Watson > Linux/UNIX Consultant > http://watson-wilson.ca > -- Christopher Browne was making a pun on the words "pole" and "poll". You must have written the message while distracted, because you used the word "pole" instead of "poll". Jim McIntosh ========= -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 9 00:52:26 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 19:52:26 -0500 Subject: Interested in a Cfengine book In-Reply-To: <30dbe98d099197f0b4660dc8eaacfec2-2RFepEojUI0ct5LIneo90w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100101161942.GB7057@watson-wilon.ca> <30dbe98d099197f0b4660dc8eaacfec2@webmail.look.ca> Message-ID: <7c50d3571001081652m59ba339dw9f70aa445f3d1944@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 19:50, wrote: > Christopher Browne was making a pun on the words "pole" and "poll". > > You must have written the message while distracted, because you used the > word "pole" instead of "poll". > > > Jim McIntosh > ========= > Thank you Captain Obvious. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 9 01:32:06 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:32:06 -0500 Subject: Interested in a Cfengine book In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571001081652m59ba339dw9f70aa445f3d1944-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20100101161942.GB7057@watson-wilon.ca> <30dbe98d099197f0b4660dc8eaacfec2@webmail.look.ca> <7c50d3571001081652m59ba339dw9f70aa445f3d1944@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Thank you Captain Obvious. ... And now my entertainment is complete :-) Seriously, I *would* be quite likely to buy that book, and, assuming it's good, commend it to others. "Running my flag up that pole" was my apparently perceived-to-be-too-clever way to observe that :-). I just added my home cfengine code to my git repo; should see about leveraging that into doing some further enhancements to how I'm using it. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach - "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/marie_von_ebnereschenbac.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 9 16:19:51 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:19:51 -0500 Subject: GRUB update borks Debian testing Message-ID: <1f13df281001090819u1246f355hdd99995fabaed615@mail.gmail.com> As I've mentioned recently I'm using an external HD as the boot drive (Debian testing) for an AAO netbook. There's also a Debian testing install on the AAO internal SSD. A recent "aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade" while booted from the external HD included an upgrade for GRUB (v2), which saw fit to re-write all the GRUB-related system files and re-install GRUB, thus making not only the external HD unbootable, but the internal as well. That latter problem was particularly interesting: why exactly did an upgrade on one drive touch the MBR of the other drive?? I understand a part of the problem: the external drive needs GRUB config files that have it marked as "sda", but when it finishes booting it becomes "sdb" and the internal drive is "sda". I don't know why or how that change of name(s) occurs, but when GRUB upgraded itself it changed the configs to point to "sdb" because that was clearly the drive it was installed on ... and once that was written to the MBR the drive became unbootable. Having rebooted before I realized what had happened, I thought "fine, I'll fix it from the other distro." But when I attempted to boot the internal SSD, it said it couldn't find a certain UUID (perhaps the external HD?). But why did it touch the other MBR at all? So I plugged the external into another computer, fixed it ("mount /dev/sdg /mnt/tmp", edit configs, then "grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/tmp /dev/sdg"), plugged the external into the AAO, booted off the external and fixed the internal. This is NOT a desirable dance card every time Debian sends out a GRUB update. What's the best solution? GRUB2 uses a highly abstracted set of scripts to generate its config files: I had a reasonably good grasp on the GRUB1 files, but GRUB2 manages to be an order of magnitude more complex - and correspondingly less useful in my opinion. It's occurred to me to disable all the GRUB scripts in /etc/grub.d/ and the whole updating mechanism for /boot/grub/grub.cfg and just maintain it by hand. But I don't even know how to turn that mechanism off, and I'd like to give it more of a chance before I discard it out of hand. Not to mention that the next GRUB update would probably re-activate the mechanism. Your thoughts would be much appreciated! -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 9 16:27:43 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:27:43 -0500 Subject: GRUB update borks Debian testing In-Reply-To: <1f13df281001090819u1246f355hdd99995fabaed615-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281001090819u1246f355hdd99995fabaed615@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Giles Orr wrote: > GRUB2 uses a highly abstracted set of scripts to generate its config > files: I had a reasonably good grasp on the GRUB1 files, but GRUB2 > manages to be an order of magnitude more complex - and correspondingly > less useful in my opinion. I don't have any suggestions; I do have an "oh, dear, that's rather terrible if that's the case" reaction :-(. It sounds as though GRUB is something that people probably need to understand a bit better, which is mostly a *bad* thing, as it's "merely" a detail about booting. I wonder if there is someone who is relatively expert with GRUB that could do a talk? It may be that there are a lot of details we may successfully ignore nearly all the time. But getting some sense of the scope of what to be concerned about seems like a useful idea. There are times we need more than LILO / SysLinux, but it seems like a rather bad thing for GRUB to progress towards being nearly a kernel of its own :-(. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Pablo Picasso - "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 9 18:00:53 2010 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:00:53 -0500 Subject: GRUB update borks Debian testing In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df281001090819u1246f355hdd99995fabaed615@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B48C455.4080005@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > It sounds as though GRUB is something that people probably need to > understand a bit better, which is mostly a *bad* thing, as it's > "merely" a detail about booting. > > I wonder if there is someone who is relatively expert with GRUB that > could do a talk? It may be that there are a lot of details we may > successfully ignore nearly all the time. But getting some sense of > the scope of what to be concerned about seems like a useful idea. > > There are times we need more than LILO / SysLinux, but it seems like a > rather bad thing for GRUB to progress towards being nearly a kernel of > its own :-(. > This tutorial on GRUB2 was posted to the Mepis forums recently. It's pretty straightforward and easy to follow and should serve in lieu of a talk. http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 9 20:22:50 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:22:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: GRUB update borks Debian testing In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df281001090819u1246f355hdd99995fabaed615@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Christopher Browne | There are times we need more than LILO / SysLinux, but it seems like a | rather bad thing for GRUB to progress towards being nearly a kernel of | its own :-(. Grub was a big change from LILO. LILO needed to be refreshed every time a new kernel was installed since LILO didn't understand file systems: it was given a list of blocks to boot. GRUB does understand filesystems so just adding a stanza to /etc/boot/menu.cfg would let it boot a new kernel. The LILO approach has the advantage that it could be file-system neutral / ignorant. GRUB needs code to handle every filesystem (and variation thereof) that it is expected to boot from. Failing that, the user is forced to have a separate /boot filesystem of a type that is understood by GRUB. Summary: LILO win: simplicity, lack of duplication of code GRUB win: easier for user (no refresh on kernel installation) GRUB2 now seems to throw away that advantage: since you are not supposed to edit the config file, you have to refresh GRUB2 every time a new kernel is installed. GRUB still has an advantage: when grub cannot boot a kernel, it still gives you a kind of shell that lets you play around a bit. You can edit menu items (for example, to change the partition being booted) and try them. You can also poke around a bit on filesystems. I skimmed the tutorial John pointed out. Nothing jumps out as a big win for GRUB2. + modular building of the menu is at least theoretically a good thing. This could have been done with the old GRUB, but GRUB2 provides the tools and conventions. - The shell scripting seems a bit abstruse. And you still have to understand the new version of the grub command set. 0 the way of setting the default menu entry is just as bad as ever: a cardinal number rather than an ordinal number or, much better, a label. + the loadable modules must be good for something but that isn't self-evident. + GRUB2 understands ext4. (I think Ubuntu put support for ext4 into old GRUB but that may not be widely adopted.) All these comments are based on a slim thread: my understanding of the tutorial. More enlightened insights would be useful. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 10 00:32:58 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:32:58 -0500 Subject: GRUB update borks Debian testing In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df281001090819u1246f355hdd99995fabaed615@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B49203A.7020505@utoronto.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Summary: LILO win: simplicity, lack of duplication of code > GRUB win: easier for user (no refresh on kernel installation) > > GRUB2 now seems to throw away that advantage: since you are not > supposed to edit the config file, you have to refresh GRUB2 every time > a new kernel is installed. I usually always run update-grub when a new kernel comes around, either grub or grub2. No change there for me. > GRUB still has an advantage: when grub cannot boot a kernel, it still > gives you a kind of shell that lets you play around a bit. You can > edit menu items (for example, to change the partition being booted) > and try them. You can also poke around a bit on filesystems. The emacs key bindings for grub2 are annoying, grub was much easier to edit from the grub shell. > I skimmed the tutorial John pointed out. Nothing jumps out as a big > win for GRUB2. > > + modular building of the menu is at least theoretically a good thing. > This could have been done with the old GRUB, but GRUB2 provides the > tools and conventions. > > - The shell scripting seems a bit abstruse. And you still have to > understand the new version of the grub command set. > > 0 the way of setting the default menu entry is just as bad as ever: a > cardinal number rather than an ordinal number or, much better, a label. grub2 also now numbers paritions starting with 1, whereas disks still start at 0. e.g. grub: hd0,0 first disk, first partition. grub2: hd0,1, first disk, first partition. Took me a while to catch on to that.. > + the loadable modules must be good for something but that isn't > self-evident. It's certainly handy for a hackintosh. grub2 easily passes arguments directly to the xnu kernel, even checks for sleep/resume before booting it. Very cool how they've tried to be filesystem and operating system agnostic, while at the same time supporting very operating system specific options[1], e.g. Filesystems: afs (AtheOS/Syllable) affs befs ext2 (+ext3 with journaling support, +ext4 extents) fat (+long filenames) hfs hfs+ iso9660 (including rockridge and joliet extensions) jfs minix (version 1 and 2) ntfs (+compression) reiserfs (with journaling support (?) this statement conflicts with comment in fs/reiserfs.c) sfs tar and cpio udf ufs (version 1 and 2) xfs Supported PC Loaders chainloader linux multiboot freebsd openbsd netbsd xnu Supported Mac Loaders linux appleloader xnu > + GRUB2 understands ext4. (I think Ubuntu put support for ext4 into > old GRUB but that may not be widely adopted.) > > All these comments are based on a slim thread: my understanding of the > tutorial. More enlightened insights would be useful. I think just like lilo and grub, grub2 is going to be with us for a long time to come. It isn't that scary once you get familiar with it -- sort of like the transition from lilo to grub put a lot of people off (because lilo mostly just works fine), so too the transition to grub2 seems drastic, but I think it is for the best in the long run. Jamon [1] http://grub.enbug.org/CurrentStatus -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 10 00:52:09 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:52:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Update on VirtualBox and KVM (was: dual booting) Message-ID: <456224.77206.qm@web110804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi all, TigerDirect has a sale on quad-core Phenom X4 2.4GHz 125W, so I bought it to upgrade my single-core Athlon 64 2.4GHz 45W. After doing some kernel compiles, I saw 4x speedup in both native and virtual machines. Ball-park benchmark is that virtual machines are 50% slower than native machine, and that VirtualBox and KVM are about the same. Well, at least, for kernel compiles. KVM's video/mouse driver are dog slow... -- William __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 10 06:59:41 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:59:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: GRUB update borks Debian testing In-Reply-To: <4B49203A.7020505-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281001090819u1246f355hdd99995fabaed615@mail.gmail.com> <4B49203A.7020505@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: | From: Jamon Camisso Thanks for your informative response. | I usually always run update-grub when a new kernel comes around, either | grub or grub2. No change there for me. Me too, but indirectly. I get kernel updates from my distro. The installation process updates the grub config file(s) as part of that. When the LILO -> Grub transition happened, I was using custom kernels, or at least thought I was still going to do that. So the issue was more significant. Custom kernels are much less mainstream now. So the issue is mostly moot. There was another advantage of Grub back then that I forgot to mention. LILO used the BIOS to do disk operations. Some BIOSes I had to work with could not address beyond the first 8.5G of disk. But Grub used native disk I/O and could boot from partitions past 8.5G Thankfully, that issue too is dead. I think. I admit variations of it seem to come back once in a while. There may be another issue. LILO may only be 16-bit and may only be able to load things into the first 640K. I don't know. That might not be easy to fix since BIOS calls may have those limitations. So: I wonder if we should move back to LILO! | The emacs key bindings for grub2 are annoying, grub was much easier to | edit from the grub shell. Didn't old grub use EMACS bindings (those are what my fingers know)? | > + the loadable modules must be good for something but that isn't | > self-evident. | | It's certainly handy for a hackintosh. grub2 easily passes arguments | directly to the xnu kernel, even checks for sleep/resume before booting | it. Very cool how they've tried to be filesystem and operating system | agnostic, while at the same time supporting very operating system | specific options[1], e.g. I guess what you are saying that modules allow bloat without a proportionately increased RAM footprint. And that the GRUB2 folks have been prolific. I'd like GRUB2 to support netbooting (apparently it has lost old Grub's capability). I'd like GRUB to be suitable for CD and DVD booting. I don't know what the issues are, but all the bootable CDs I've noticed uses syslinux / isolinux. I actually have a bootable GRUB CD to use in emergencies. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 10 21:25:03 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:25:03 -0500 Subject: OT: VirtualBox sharing folder Message-ID: <4B4A45AF.2050503@gmail.com> I am trying to figure out how to share/map a folder from my linux to vbox? I added the new folder in vbox setting but when I open window explorer I don't see the folder? -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 10 21:35:04 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:35:04 -0500 Subject: OT: VirtualBox sharing folder In-Reply-To: <4B4A45AF.2050503-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B4A45AF.2050503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4A4808.9030507@gmail.com> Rajinder Yadav wrote: > I am trying to figure out how to share/map a folder from my linux to > vbox? I added the new folder in vbox setting but when I open window > explorer I don't see the folder? > Ok I figured out I needed to install the addition guest services, got things working. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 11 03:27:05 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:27:05 -0500 Subject: OT: Paypal API programming Message-ID: <4B4A9A89.3020905@gmail.com> Any webmasters here set up custom paypal payment system? I am looking for info on how to do this (API coding) myself, thanks! -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 11 05:09:52 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:09:52 -0500 Subject: Unix Unanimous - Wed 13 Jan 2010 Message-ID: The next meeting of Unix Unanimous will be held at 6:45 pm on Wednesday 13 January 2010, in room BA 2179 on the 2nd floor of the the Bahen Centre for Information Technology at 40 St. George Street, on the University of Toronto campus. Unix Unanimous is an informal gathering of people interested in Unix and related topics. There are no fees or membership requirements, and the meeting is open to all. Participants typically include Unix professionals, students, and hobbyists. The meeting is always held on the second Wednesday of each month. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 11 17:56:00 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:56:00 -0500 Subject: OT: new Gigabyte motherboard weirdness In-Reply-To: <1f13df281001081448n3eac520cg91cc05868719820e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281001081448n3eac520cg91cc05868719820e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100111175600.GL8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 05:48:23PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > Newegg is advertising a special on the new Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3P > motherboard. I thought it looked nice, but wanted to read up on the > specs. Over at Gigabyte's site [1] I find out: > > "When set Turbo SATA3 / USB3.0 (Marvell 9128 /NEC USB 3.0 Controller) > to enable in BIOS setup, 1st PCIex16 slot will run at x8 bandwidth and > 2nd PCIex16 slot will be disabled." > > Why would you put a second PCI-e slot on the board if you're going to > disable it when the user actually tries to _use_ other features? The > people who are likely to use both PCI-e slots are also the early > adopters who are going to use SATA3 or USB3. This strikes me as a > poor design and a hell of a way to alienate people who didn't read > their specs carefully enough. I thought Gigabyte was better than > this? > > The 2nd PCIex16 slot was never actually x16: it runs at x4 at the best > of times, so I guess the "x16" part only indicates the physical size > of the slot. As a non-gamer who runs Linux and wants multiple heads, > was I likely to notice that my nvidia card in that slot was > bandwidth-choked? (I'm curious about the answer to this question > without regard to the motherboard.) > > > [1] http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=3253&ProductName=GA-P55A-UD3P The P55 systems (Core i5 LGA1156) only has a 16x PCIe 2.0 on the CPU and a 4x PCIe 2.0 (called DMI) on the CPU (this one connects to the PCH chip which has eight 1x PCIe 2.0 connections for add ons). This means you can have one 16x video card slot, or on some CPUs you can have two 8x video card slots. Any other IO is at most 4x from the PCH, so you can have one 4x slot, and a few 1x slots. So if you have a USB 3.0 controller that needs 5Gbps, well that's more than a 1x PCIe 2.0 link can carry (500MB/s so 4Gbps), so you need a 4x link, which means you just took out the 4x video slot to enable the USB 3.0 controller. The 6Gbps SATA controller with two connectors can use 12Gbps, so that needs another 4x link minimum, so most likely it uses half the 16x video slot (that is an 8x link) leaving the other 8xlink for the primary video slot. As for the people that want USB3.0 and 6Gbps SATA buying this... No not really. Those people would buy a Core i7 with the X58 chipset which has plenty of PCIe links to handle this kind of load and still run two video cards at 16x. I don't know why they would put these new features on a midrange platform. P55 systems are not high end systems and were never intended to be. Now the note on the gigabyte web page doesn't mention the second video slot going away, it says the first video slot goes from 16x to 4x when you enable the SATA 6Gbps and USB 3.0 controllers, which sounds more like they split the 16x into 8x for video and 4x for each controller. This would certainly be better than starving the bandwith to the PCH which already has 12 USB 2.0 ports, 6 SATA 3Gbps links and lots of other stuff to do. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 11 18:00:44 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:00:44 -0500 Subject: GRUB update borks Debian testing In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df281001090819u1246f355hdd99995fabaed615@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100111180044.GM8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 03:22:50PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Christopher Browne > > | There are times we need more than LILO / SysLinux, but it seems like a > | rather bad thing for GRUB to progress towards being nearly a kernel of > | its own :-(. > > Grub was a big change from LILO. > > LILO needed to be refreshed every time a new kernel was installed > since LILO didn't understand file systems: it was given a list of > blocks to boot. > > GRUB does understand filesystems so just adding a stanza to > /etc/boot/menu.cfg would let it boot a new kernel. > > The LILO approach has the advantage that it could be file-system > neutral / ignorant. GRUB needs code to handle every filesystem (and > variation thereof) that it is expected to boot from. Failing that, > the user is forced to have a separate /boot filesystem of a type that > is understood by GRUB. > > Summary: LILO win: simplicity, lack of duplication of code > GRUB win: easier for user (no refresh on kernel installation) > > GRUB2 now seems to throw away that advantage: since you are not > supposed to edit the config file, you have to refresh GRUB2 every time > a new kernel is installed. No you update the config file, same as you always did. You do not reinstall grub itself. > GRUB still has an advantage: when grub cannot boot a kernel, it still > gives you a kind of shell that lets you play around a bit. You can > edit menu items (for example, to change the partition being booted) > and try them. You can also poke around a bit on filesystems. It still has all the advantages it always did. They just added some layers of abstraction to the config file. For most people it just works now. > I skimmed the tutorial John pointed out. Nothing jumps out as a big > win for GRUB2. > > + modular building of the menu is at least theoretically a good thing. > This could have been done with the old GRUB, but GRUB2 provides the > tools and conventions. > > - The shell scripting seems a bit abstruse. And you still have to > understand the new version of the grub command set. > > 0 the way of setting the default menu entry is just as bad as ever: a > cardinal number rather than an ordinal number or, much better, a label. > > + the loadable modules must be good for something but that isn't > self-evident. > > + GRUB2 understands ext4. (I think Ubuntu put support for ext4 into > old GRUB but that may not be widely adopted.) A google summer of code project did the work on it, and patches were available. They came in handy for me before, although now I use grub2 instead. > All these comments are based on a slim thread: my understanding of the > tutorial. More enlightened insights would be useful. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 11 18:06:20 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:06:20 -0500 Subject: GRUB update borks Debian testing In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df281001090819u1246f355hdd99995fabaed615@mail.gmail.com> <4B49203A.7020505@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20100111180620.GN8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 01:59:41AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Jamon Camisso > > Thanks for your informative response. > > | I usually always run update-grub when a new kernel comes around, either > | grub or grub2. No change there for me. > > Me too, but indirectly. I get kernel updates from my distro. The > installation process updates the grub config file(s) as part of that. > > When the LILO -> Grub transition happened, I was using custom kernels, > or at least thought I was still going to do that. So the issue was > more significant. > > Custom kernels are much less mainstream now. So the issue is mostly > moot. > > There was another advantage of Grub back then that I forgot to > mention. LILO used the BIOS to do disk operations. Some BIOSes I had > to work with could not address beyond the first 8.5G of disk. But > Grub used native disk I/O and could boot from partitions past 8.5G No grub uses the BIOS. But grub uses LBA if available. So did later versions of lilo if you asked it to (it wasn't much for runtime detection of things). > Thankfully, that issue too is dead. I think. I admit variations of > it seem to come back once in a while. > > There may be another issue. LILO may only be 16-bit and may only be > able to load things into the first 640K. I don't know. That might > not be easy to fix since BIOS calls may have those limitations. No it can handle 3MB ramdisk images just fine. It runs in protected mode. > So: I wonder if we should move back to LILO! Go ahead. I am sticking with grub. I don't know if LILO is >32bit sector number compatible, which we are getting very close to (2TB disks will have that). Grub2 works with the EFI style GPT partition tables, and works fine with large disks. Grub1 does not, and I would not be surprised if lilo doesn't either. > I guess what you are saying that modules allow bloat without a > proportionately increased RAM footprint. And that the GRUB2 folks > have been prolific. > > I'd like GRUB2 to support netbooting (apparently it has lost old > Grub's capability). That would probably be easier on EFI systems where there are platform drivers in EFI it could tap into, rather than having to be built witth drivers for all sorts of network cards at compile time. > I'd like GRUB to be suitable for CD and DVD booting. I don't know > what the issues are, but all the bootable CDs I've noticed uses > syslinux / isolinux. I actually have a bootable GRUB CD to use in > emergencies. isolinux does it very well. Doesn't mean grub couldn't be extended for it, although the normal grub install method certainly would not work. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 11 18:07:38 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:07:38 -0500 Subject: Update on VirtualBox and KVM (was: dual booting) In-Reply-To: <456224.77206.qm-Y34AK2gV3GwA0QRgWO9Mevu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <456224.77206.qm@web110804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100111180738.GO8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 04:52:09PM -0800, William Park wrote: > TigerDirect has a sale on quad-core Phenom X4 2.4GHz 125W, > so I bought it to upgrade my single-core Athlon 64 2.4GHz 45W. > > After doing some kernel compiles, I saw 4x speedup in both native > and virtual machines. Ball-park benchmark is that virtual machines > are 50% slower than native machine, and that VirtualBox and KVM > are about the same. Well, at least, for kernel compiles. KVM's > video/mouse driver are dog slow... Video might be. Mouse seems fine. At least when using -vga std and the usb tablet options. The default vga (cirrus logic) doesn't work as well in my opinion. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 11 19:38:57 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:38:57 -0500 Subject: OT: new Gigabyte motherboard weirdness In-Reply-To: <20100111175600.GL8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281001081448n3eac520cg91cc05868719820e@mail.gmail.com> <20100111175600.GL8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B4B7E51.8040109@gmail.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 05:48:23PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: >> Newegg is advertising a special on the new Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3P >> motherboard. I thought it looked nice, but wanted to read up on the >> specs. Over at Gigabyte's site [1] I find out: >> >> "When set Turbo SATA3 / USB3.0 (Marvell 9128 /NEC USB 3.0 Controller) >> to enable in BIOS setup, 1st PCIex16 slot will run at x8 bandwidth and >> 2nd PCIex16 slot will be disabled." >> >> Why would you put a second PCI-e slot on the board if you're going to >> disable it when the user actually tries to _use_ other features? The >> people who are likely to use both PCI-e slots are also the early >> adopters who are going to use SATA3 or USB3. This strikes me as a >> poor design and a hell of a way to alienate people who didn't read >> their specs carefully enough. I thought Gigabyte was better than >> this? >> >> The 2nd PCIex16 slot was never actually x16: it runs at x4 at the best >> of times, so I guess the "x16" part only indicates the physical size >> of the slot. As a non-gamer who runs Linux and wants multiple heads, >> was I likely to notice that my nvidia card in that slot was >> bandwidth-choked? (I'm curious about the answer to this question >> without regard to the motherboard.) >> >> >> [1] http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=3253&ProductName=GA-P55A-UD3P > > The P55 systems (Core i5 LGA1156) only has a 16x PCIe 2.0 on the CPU and > a 4x PCIe 2.0 (called DMI) on the CPU (this one connects to the PCH chip > which has eight 1x PCIe 2.0 connections for add ons). > > This means you can have one 16x video card slot, or on some CPUs you > can have two 8x video card slots. Any other IO is at most 4x from the > PCH, so you can have one 4x slot, and a few 1x slots. > > So if you have a USB 3.0 controller that needs 5Gbps, well that's more > than a 1x PCIe 2.0 link can carry (500MB/s so 4Gbps), so you need a 4x > link, which means you just took out the 4x video slot to enable the USB > 3.0 controller. > > The 6Gbps SATA controller with two connectors can use 12Gbps, so that > needs another 4x link minimum, so most likely it uses half the 16x > video slot (that is an 8x link) leaving the other 8xlink for the primary > video slot. > > As for the people that want USB3.0 and 6Gbps SATA buying this... No > not really. Those people would buy a Core i7 with the X58 chipset which > has plenty of PCIe links to handle this kind of load and still run two > video cards at 16x. I don't know why they would put these new features > on a midrange platform. P55 systems are not high end systems and were > never intended to be. > > Now the note on the gigabyte web page doesn't mention the second video > slot going away, it says the first video slot goes from 16x to 4x when > you enable the SATA 6Gbps and USB 3.0 controllers, which sounds more > like they split the 16x into 8x for video and 4x for each controller. > This would certainly be better than starving the bandwith to the PCH > which already has 12 USB 2.0 ports, 6 SATA 3Gbps links and lots of other > stuff to do. > ok like I just learned something new =) thanks! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 11 20:24:05 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:24:05 -0500 Subject: OT: new Gigabyte motherboard weirdness In-Reply-To: <4B4B7E51.8040109-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281001081448n3eac520cg91cc05868719820e@mail.gmail.com> <20100111175600.GL8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B4B7E51.8040109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100111202405.GP8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 02:38:57PM -0500, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> Now the note on the gigabyte web page doesn't mention the second video >> slot going away, it says the first video slot goes from 16x to 4x when >> you enable the SATA 6Gbps and USB 3.0 controllers, which sounds more >> like they split the 16x into 8x for video and 4x for each controller. >> This would certainly be better than starving the bandwith to the PCH >> which already has 12 USB 2.0 ports, 6 SATA 3Gbps links and lots of other >> stuff to do. Oops, I made a typo. The first video slot goes from 16x to 8x so the remaining 8x links can cover two 4x links for the USB and SATA controllers. > ok like I just learned something new =) thanks! Always a good day then. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 11 20:46:52 2010 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:46:52 +0300 Subject: rapidshire - is legal? Message-ID: <4B4B8E3C.4030806@gmail.com> They offer two kinds of services - a free one that seldom works and a paid one which I never try. Through their web site one can download a huge number of, for instance, books (in PDF format). They have also a lot of software (e.g. right now I saw MatLab). Most of the books are certainly allowed to be distributed. In some cases this is not so obvious, though. They I am sure have also videos (probably porno, too) but I did not care to check for that kind of stuff. Well... for myself only, I would not mind so much to download software just to try, even when it might be not entirely obvious if this is fully legal. However, I can not use a possibly illegal software in my work. Therefore, I wonder if anyone here is able to advise on legality of their service. For a rather small payment one could get tons of gigabytes of data from them. Their payments network is very broad, so I just wonder how all this works? zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 11 21:16:55 2010 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:16:55 -0500 Subject: rapidshire - is legal? In-Reply-To: <4B4B8E3C.4030806-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B4B8E3C.4030806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4B9547.2050407@moores.ca> IANAL but.... It's a simple web based file sharing distribution system. The links to files you upload are not displayed on any of their web pages. It is up to you to make the http links available as you see fit. As for who is responsible for the legality of the content being distributed, that is a grey area of copyright law. However, if you are using it to distribute or acquire data which you know you have a right to distribute/acquire, then there is no legal issue for YOUR use of their site. It is the same as using any other web hosting service in that way. Using it to acquire data, you should make some reasonable effort to ensure that you have a right to a copy of the data (known GPL software for example). If THERE IS NO copyright infringement happening, then it is not illegal (neglecting the obvious child porn, and other verboten data issues of course) That's my $0.02 anyway cheers, darryl Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > They offer two kinds of services - a free one that seldom works and a > paid one which I never try. > > Through their web site one can download a huge number of, for instance, > books (in PDF format). They have also a lot of software (e.g. right now > I saw MatLab). Most of the books are certainly allowed to be > distributed. In some cases this is not so obvious, though. They I am > sure have also videos (probably porno, too) but I did not care to check > for that kind of stuff. > > Well... for myself only, I would not mind so much to download software > just to try, even when it might be not entirely obvious if this is fully > legal. However, I can not use a possibly illegal software in my work. > > Therefore, I wonder if anyone here is able to advise on legality of > their service. For a rather small payment one could get tons of > gigabytes of data from them. Their payments network is very broad, so I > just wonder how all this works? > > > zb. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 11 21:24:17 2010 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:24:17 +0300 Subject: rapidshire - is legal? In-Reply-To: <4B4B9547.2050407-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B4B8E3C.4030806@gmail.com> <4B4B9547.2050407@moores.ca> Message-ID: <4B4B9701.6020106@gmail.com> I got the idea. Well... I doubt really if it is possible not to, at least temporarily, to store some of files. Redirecting (pointing to illegal source) might be legal but it is certainly not right in common sense. Here I would see however a difference between pointing to an illegal content on another server (and letting know about that to average user) and between not letting know about that to users. Though legally this is indeed a gray field. zb. Darryl Moore wrote: > IANAL but.... > > It's a simple web based file sharing distribution system. The links to > files you upload are not displayed on any of their web pages. It is up > to you to make the http links available as you see fit. > > As for who is responsible for the legality of the content being > distributed, that is a grey area of copyright law. However, if you are > using it to distribute or acquire data which you know you have a right > to distribute/acquire, then there is no legal issue for YOUR use of > their site. It is the same as using any other web hosting service in > that way. > > Using it to acquire data, you should make some reasonable effort to > ensure that you have a right to a copy of the data (known GPL software > for example). If THERE IS NO copyright infringement happening, then it > is not illegal (neglecting the obvious child porn, and other verboten > data issues of course) > > > That's my $0.02 anyway > cheers, > darryl > > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > >> They offer two kinds of services - a free one that seldom works and a >> paid one which I never try. >> >> Through their web site one can download a huge number of, for instance, >> books (in PDF format). They have also a lot of software (e.g. right now >> I saw MatLab). Most of the books are certainly allowed to be >> distributed. In some cases this is not so obvious, though. They I am >> sure have also videos (probably porno, too) but I did not care to check >> for that kind of stuff. >> >> Well... for myself only, I would not mind so much to download software >> just to try, even when it might be not entirely obvious if this is fully >> legal. However, I can not use a possibly illegal software in my work. >> >> Therefore, I wonder if anyone here is able to advise on legality of >> their service. For a rather small payment one could get tons of >> gigabytes of data from them. Their payments network is very broad, so I >> just wonder how all this works? >> >> >> zb. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 11 22:02:45 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:02:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Question to audio experts... background noise Message-ID: <241239.23478.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi all, I don't have much experience with what is normal for sound card. So, I thought I should ask audio experts here... I get high-frequency background noise when I plug in my earphones directly into "front line-out" (green) of integrated sound card. I can hear the noise change as I move mouse, type something on keyboard, or do something on screen. My guess is "grounding" problem. But, when I plug in my external 2.1 speaker system, the high-pitch noise becomes noticeable only at max volume. Is this normal for all sound card or just integrated ones? Maybe one shouldn't plug earphones/headphones directly into front speaker jack? -- William __________________________________________________________________ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 11 22:19:45 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:19:45 -0500 Subject: Question to audio experts... background noise In-Reply-To: <241239.23478.qm-XyciXz+oX7g/JfqJOfUXs/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <241239.23478.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100111221945.GQ8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 02:02:45PM -0800, William Park wrote: > I don't have much experience with what is normal for sound card. > So, I thought I should ask audio experts here... > > I get high-frequency background noise when I plug in my earphones > directly into "front line-out" (green) of integrated sound card. I can > hear the noise change as I move mouse, type something on keyboard, > or do something on screen. My guess is "grounding" problem. But, > when I plug in my external 2.1 speaker system, the high-pitch noise > becomes noticeable only at max volume. > > Is this normal for all sound card or just integrated ones? > Maybe one shouldn't plug earphones/headphones directly into front > speaker jack? Perhaps your headphones are more sensitive than the speakers. A lot of onboard audio has had noise issues over the years, although they seem much better now than they used to be. Now in some cases you could have noise from an input, in which case muting them might help. Also some cards (like the sb live) have horrible clipping issues and noise if the master volume is set above about 80%, so keep that one below 80%. Now if moving the mouse can give noise, it sounds like one awfully badly designed motherboard. Not sure if the powersupply can have any impact on noise through ground between devices. A friend at university 10 years ago had a machine where all network and disk IO made noticeable noises on the sound output. That was very annoying. The mouse and keyboard didn't seem to, but perhaps we never noticed due to the disk and network problems. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 11 22:19:44 2010 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:19:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Question to audio experts... background noise In-Reply-To: <241239.23478.qm-XyciXz+oX7g/JfqJOfUXs/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <241239.23478.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5188.99.253.254.243.1263248384.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> I would *guess* that the issue is the shielding of the cable that you plug into the jack. If the cable is not shielded, it will act as an antenna and in the downtown Toronto area, there are huge RF signals. (From the window where I'm sitting, the CN Tower is visible...). I used to work in sound reinforcement in Toronto theatres, and RF pickup was a major problem. Grounding is usually not a solution to RF pickup problems, but it could be an issue if there is an existing shield and it's not connected to ground. Ground is a slippery concept. What's the ground on a laptop that's operating off a battery? ;). In the case of a laptop, it's the metal enclosure or plate. If the headphone lead is acting as an antenna, there are a couple of possible cures. You can loop the headphone wire a couple of times through a ferrite donut or cylinder. You sometimes see these ferrite cores on video or USB cables, you might be able to salvage something from a surplus shop (eg, Active Surplus, Above All, Creatron, or the reincarnated Supremetronic). More complicated, you can solder a small (50 or 100 picoFarad) capacitor across the earphone connector. Peter who top-posts without shame ;) > Hi all, > > I don't have much experience with what is normal for sound card. > So, I thought I should ask audio experts here... > > I get high-frequency background noise when I plug in my earphones > directly into "front line-out" (green) of integrated sound card. I can > hear the noise change as I move mouse, type something on keyboard, > or do something on screen. My guess is "grounding" problem. But, > when I plug in my external 2.1 speaker system, the high-pitch noise > becomes noticeable only at max volume. > > Is this normal for all sound card or just integrated ones? > Maybe one shouldn't plug earphones/headphones directly into front > speaker jack? > > -- > William > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! > Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 11 22:22:02 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:22:02 -0500 Subject: Question to audio experts... background noise In-Reply-To: <241239.23478.qm-XyciXz+oX7g/JfqJOfUXs/u2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <241239.23478.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B4BA48A.6060500@utoronto.ca> William Park wrote: > Hi all, > > I don't have much experience with what is normal for sound card. > So, I thought I should ask audio experts here... > > I get high-frequency background noise when I plug in my earphones > directly into "front line-out" (green) of integrated sound card. I can > hear the noise change as I move mouse, type something on keyboard, > or do something on screen. My guess is "grounding" problem. But, > when I plug in my external 2.1 speaker system, the high-pitch noise > becomes noticeable only at max volume. > > Is this normal for all sound card or just integrated ones? > Maybe one shouldn't plug earphones/headphones directly into front > speaker jack? > I'm not an audio expert, but every component in the chain has an effect. I have a headphone jack on my speaker volume control -- the control is a 4' piece of wire that must be just the right length, because I can distinctly pick up what sound like AM/FM radio signals if i turn the volume way up with no sound. But onboard audio is fine.. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddy-5sHjOODPK7E at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 12 16:38:26 2010 From: teddy-5sHjOODPK7E at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:38:26 -0500 Subject: automated ip blacklist checks Message-ID: <4B4CA582.8050301@tmis.ca> http://www.mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/index.lasso I am getting tired of checking IPs against blacklists. (2K public IPs) (other admins sometimes email the hostmaster or abuse account) Instead of getting bad email I am looking for something that: daily checks IPs against an editable set of blacklists and email the positive matches. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 12 20:50:08 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:50:08 -0500 Subject: Templating system for documents Message-ID: <20100112205008.GA9212@yam.witteman.ca> I have to format a bunch of documents, on an on-going basis, to a specific format - the output format is PDF. These documents get handed to me in MS Word files, and right now my only method is to paste content into existing Word files. It's horrible - weirdness creeps in immediately, and there is no way to distinguish semantic from stylistic content. I've used desktop publishing platforms and authored documents for the web, and I've also used LaTeX - none of these systems seems right for what I want to do. Does anyone have a method for creating correctly styled documents without terrible pain and suffering? -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 12 21:16:28 2010 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:16:28 +0100 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada Message-ID: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Are say FR, DE, FR (not CF) etc keyboards generally available in Canada without the prices being $megabuckz ? Or is there a keyboard marketed that would give all of the required characters ? Currently I swap in and out as required although this is a drag as X needs to be reconfigured and resterted each time -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 12 21:31:00 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:31:00 -0500 Subject: Templating system for documents In-Reply-To: <20100112205008.GA9212-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100112205008.GA9212@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:50 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I've used desktop publishing platforms and authored documents for the > web, and I've also used LaTeX - none of these systems seems right for > what I want to do. ?Does anyone have a method for creating correctly > styled documents without terrible pain and suffering? The best solution I have seen thus far is to use DocBook (either XML or SGML form), as the "authoring" form, and transform that into RTF/PDF as needed. That's not totally "friendly" - I'm not all that much of a fan of XML - but it does "work," for some value of "work." The challenge comes in trying to make the output "pretty" (for some value of "pretty" ;-)); I've always hacked the DSSSL, myself, but that's a grossly painful process. I think that there's tooling for using XSD stylesheets or something of the sort; have successfully evaded involvement long enough to not know what's the best thing these days. There is a DocBook mailing list where you could ask such questions. And see , of course. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Mike Ditka - "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mike_ditka.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 12 21:40:04 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:40:04 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <878wc36n2r.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: On 1/12/10, Slack Rat wrote: > Are say FR, DE, FR (not CF) etc keyboards generally available in Canada > without the prices being $megabuckz ? Generally available? No, period. I'm involved in a group that refurbishes old PCs, installs Linux and then gives the machines away to those who could not afford any sort of PC. A significant percentage of the people we deal with have something other than English as their first language, so we have looked for a source of inexpensive non-English keyboards. French-Canadian keyboards, in Toronto are a bit of a pain to get, but can be found. Spanish keyboards are a pain to get, but can be ordered. Other keyboards ... as far as I know, basicly forget it... I would love to be shown wrong on the above as I would love to know about an easy local source of inexpensive keyboards, especially in the following languages: - Persian - Spanish - Tamil Anyone? Colin McGregor > Or is there a keyboard marketed that would give all of the required > characters ? > > Currently I swap in and out as required although this is a drag as X > needs to be reconfigured and resterted each time > > -- > Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 12 21:43:13 2010 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:43:13 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <878wc36n2r.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <92ee967a1001121343g6990772brb8abc7aa738b3f57@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Slack Rat wrote: > Are say FR, DE, FR (not CF) etc ?keyboards generally available in Canada > without the prices being $megabuckz ? > > Or is there a keyboard marketed that would give all of the required > characters ? > > Currently I swap in and out as required although this is a drag as X > needs to be reconfigured and resterted each time Canadian Multilingual should give you everything you need, but it's a horrifying keyboard layout: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Canadian_Multilingual_Standard The location of the pipe and the backslash are awful, also consider that stuff like umlauts require double-keypresses. Gnome seems to support it on my system. That's the only single keyboard I know of which could do French, German and English. Personally, I think you're better off looking at ways to change your keyboard input dynamically and use the European layouts and then touch-type, or use a marker on your keyboard :-) Gnome and KDE seem to do keyboard layout changes pretty well. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 12 21:53:00 2010 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:53:00 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <92ee967a1001121343g6990772brb8abc7aa738b3f57-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <92ee967a1001121343g6990772brb8abc7aa738b3f57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92ee967a1001121353m4ab02b78p8e75e195eac59aed@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Mike Kallies wrote: > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Slack Rat wrote: >> Are say FR, DE, FR (not CF) etc ?keyboards generally available in Canada >> without the prices being $megabuckz ? >> >> Or is there a keyboard marketed that would give all of the required >> characters ? >> >> Currently I swap in and out as required although this is a drag as X >> needs to be reconfigured and resterted each time > > Canadian Multilingual should give you everything you need, but it's a > horrifying keyboard layout: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Canadian_Multilingual_Standard Hmm, Dell seems to sell them for $11 -Mike (HORRIFYING layout... unless you're taking notes at the U.N. ) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 12 21:53:31 2010 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:53:31 -0500 Subject: Templating system for documents In-Reply-To: <20100112205008.GA9212-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100112205008.GA9212@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <4B4CEF5B.8010705@linuxcaffe.ca> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I've used desktop publishing platforms and authored documents for the > web, and I've also used LaTeX - none of these systems seems right for > what I want to do. Does anyone have a method for creating correctly > styled documents without terrible pain and suffering? your pain and suffering will be directly proportional to the persnickityness of the "correctly styled document". What standard are you working to ? I can think of a few scriptable solutions, mostly starting by stripping the docs with unword (or similar) but as they get more exacting in output style, they move from a2ps back towards LaTeX (which shouldn't be that bad, if you can establish the stylesheet and then script most of the rest) and then PDFlatex. It's like ripping off a bandaid; an "ouch" now, or you can be picking at it forever. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 12 22:23:44 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:23:44 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <878wc36n2r.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <20100112222344.GR8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:16:28PM +0100, Slack Rat wrote: > Are say FR, DE, FR (not CF) etc keyboards generally available in Canada > without the prices being $megabuckz ? > > Or is there a keyboard marketed that would give all of the required > characters ? Canadian Multilingual Standard (CSA) has all the characters you can need for all european languages. It is what all canadian government orginazations are supposed to buy. They are not expensive. > Currently I swap in and out as required although this is a drag as X > needs to be reconfigured and resterted each time -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 12 22:44:33 2010 From: el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:44:33 -0500 Subject: Templating system for documents In-Reply-To: <4B4CEF5B.8010705-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <20100112205008.GA9212@yam.witteman.ca> <4B4CEF5B.8010705@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:53 PM, David J Patrick wrote: > William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > >> I've used desktop publishing platforms and authored documents for the >> web, and I've also used LaTeX - none of these systems seems right for >> what I want to do. ?Does anyone have a method for creating correctly >> styled documents without terrible pain and suffering? > > your pain and suffering will be directly proportional to the persnickityness > of the "correctly styled document". What standard are you working to ? I can > think of a few scriptable solutions, mostly starting by stripping the docs > with unword (or similar) but as they get more exacting in output style, they > move from a2ps back towards LaTeX (which shouldn't be that bad, if you can > establish the stylesheet and then script most of the rest) and then > PDFlatex. > > It's like ripping off a bandaid; an "ouch" now, or you can be picking at it > forever. > > djp > Speaking as someone who has, for the most part, ripped off the Microsoft Word 'bandaid', I find that DocBook XML is a joy to work with... in comparison. Do I like super tag-heavy XML? Shrug. What I do like is being able to use PHP DOM to read/process/write structured DocBook. Incidentally, all my documents and embedded SVG graphics are now text, happily manipulable using source code control tools... I've found that most of the 'ouch' comes from adding XSL stylesheets to customize the default ones that come with DocBook. Having done that, however, I now have a fast, reliable DocBook XML -> xsltproc -> APache FOP -> PDF toolchain. Converting Word to DocBook isn't even all that difficult. The docbook XSL distribution comes with a set of "roundtripping" utilities. Briefly: 1. Reformat your Word file according to the docbook-ish styles in the word template provided in the roundtripping tools. 2. Save your file in WrdML XML format (MSOffice 2003) 3. Run the WordML file through the necessary XSL stylesheets in the roundtrip tools 4. A bit of DocBook XML cleanup and you're in business. Cheers, Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 01:37:59 2010 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:37:59 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <20100112222344.GR8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20100112222344.GR8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <201001122037.59285.amarjan@pobox.com> On January 12, 2010 05:23:44 pm you wrote: > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:16:28PM +0100, Slack Rat wrote: > > Are say FR, DE, FR (not CF) etc keyboards generally available in Canada > > without the prices being $megabuckz ? > > > > Or is there a keyboard marketed that would give all of the required > > characters ? > > Canadian Multilingual Standard (CSA) has all the characters you can need > for all european languages. It is what all canadian government > orginazations are supposed to buy. They are not expensive. Is there Cyrillic support hiding somewhere that the Wikipedia image doesn't show? If not, then hardly all European languages. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 02:37:40 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:37:40 -0200 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <878wc36n2r.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: Now I'm curious: what's the Canadian default keyboard layout? US? I use us_intl in my netbook, but they are becoming extinct in Brazil. You only find ABNT2 layouts - and I absolutely hate them. But I need to use them at my workplace, and, have to admit, it's easier to write in pt_BR under GTK using them, because of GTK's bizarre cedilla default configuration. If you have a international keyboard and don't get GTK manually configured, typing c + ' returns a weird eastern-european character, not a ?. I really don't know their argument as Portuguese is in the top 10 of most spoken languages of the world. I wonder how many people are annoyed everyday. I may have a DE keyboard at my mom's (she bought for me in Germany just because of the eszet), but she lives in Rio de Janeiro. If it's still there, it's totally new. On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 19:16, Slack Rat wrote: > Are say FR, DE, FR (not CF) etc ?keyboards generally available in Canada > without the prices being $megabuckz ? > > Or is there a keyboard marketed that would give all of the required > characters ? > > Currently I swap in and out as required although this is a drag as X > needs to be reconfigured and resterted each time > > -- > Slackrat > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 02:43:29 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:43:29 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <92ee967a1001121353m4ab02b78p8e75e195eac59aed-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <92ee967a1001121343g6990772brb8abc7aa738b3f57@mail.gmail.com> <92ee967a1001121353m4ab02b78p8e75e195eac59aed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4D3351.9000009@ve3syb.ca> Mike Kallies wrote: > Hmm, Dell seems to sell them for $11 $11 for a keyboard? Nice. What I've been trying to find is a keyboard with built-in mouse/trackball (although I'd settle for a touch pad area) that still has a wire to tie it back to the computer. I don't want a wireless keyboard. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 06:03:25 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 01:03:25 -0500 Subject: Templating system for documents In-Reply-To: <20100112205008.GA9212-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100112205008.GA9212@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <4B4D622D.90408@gmail.com> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I have to format a bunch of documents, on an on-going basis, to a > specific format - the output format is PDF. > > These documents get handed to me in MS Word files, and right now my only > method is to paste content into existing Word files. It's horrible - > weirdness creeps in immediately, and there is no way to distinguish > semantic from stylistic content. > > I've used desktop publishing platforms and authored documents for the > web, and I've also used LaTeX - none of these systems seems right for > what I want to do. Does anyone have a method for creating correctly > styled documents without terrible pain and suffering? if you're working in word, or have a copy of it this might help with pdf output, the free version seems to generate really good pdf http://www.primopdf.com/index.aspx -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 13:56:54 2010 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:56:54 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <4B4DD126.8090708@gmail.com> Renata Rocha wrote: > Now I'm curious: what's the Canadian default keyboard layout? US? US English or Canadian French, depending on where you are. ... although, I've never *actually* heard of a place where Canadian French is the default... but I think it's because I don't speak French well enough. The France layout is apparently AZERTY... although I've never seen one of those and I've handled a lot of French keyboards, so I figure I've only ever seen Canadian French keyboards in Canada. I wonder if in the future, there will be a US Spanish keyboard? :-) -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 14:01:27 2010 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:01:27 +0300 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <4B4DD126.8090708-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B4DD126.8090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4DD237.1080806@gmail.com> In case of Cyrillic - one may try Russian shops in Toronto. Ask a Russian ;) But it is still unlikely. Russians in Toronto are mostly really Jews and do not care about their Russian past... I myself brought a Russian keyboard from Russia. Online is an option. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 14:36:12 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:36:12 -0200 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <4B4DD126.8090708-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B4DD126.8090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:56, Mike Kallies wrote: > Renata Rocha wrote: >> Now I'm curious: what's the Canadian default keyboard layout? US? > > US English or Canadian French, depending on where you are. > > ... although, I've never *actually* heard of a place where Canadian > French is the default... but I think it's because I don't speak French > well enough. > > The France layout is apparently AZERTY... although I've never seen one > of those and I've handled a lot of French keyboards, so I figure I've > only ever seen Canadian French keyboards in Canada. > > I wonder if in the future, there will be a US Spanish keyboard? :-) I feel more comfortable now. I was wondering I there was some strange Canadian keyboard layout and I was supposed to get used to it - as I am going to Toronto, I'll probably never see the Canadian French. :) -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 14:45:25 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:45:25 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <4B4DD126.8090708-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B4DD126.8090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4DDC85.6090806@rogers.com> Mike Kallies wrote: > Renata Rocha wrote: > >> Now I'm curious: what's the Canadian default keyboard layout? US? >> > US English or Canadian French, depending on where you are. > > ... although, I've never *actually* heard of a place where Canadian > French is the default... but I think it's because I don't speak French > well enough. > > Several years ago, when I was working at IBM, my department developed standard desktop systems for IBM Canada employees. We had to create both English and French versions and configured the French systems to use the Canadian French keyboard. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 14:48:48 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:48:48 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <4B4DD237.1080806-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B4DD126.8090708@gmail.com> <4B4DD237.1080806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4DDD50.4090101@rogers.com> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > In case of Cyrillic - one may try Russian shops in Toronto. Ask a > Russian ;) But it is still unlikely. Russians in Toronto are mostly > really Jews and do not care about their Russian past... I myself > brought a Russian keyboard from Russia. > There are also a lot of Ukrainians in Canada. I've known several and don't recall any being Jewish. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 14:42:43 2010 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:42:43 +0300 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <4B4DDD50.4090101-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B4DD126.8090708@gmail.com> <4B4DD237.1080806@gmail.com> <4B4DDD50.4090101@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4B4DDBE3.9070107@gmail.com> James Knott wrote: > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >> In case of Cyrillic - one may try Russian shops in Toronto. Ask a >> Russian ;) But it is still unlikely. Russians in Toronto are mostly >> really Jews and do not care about their Russian past... I myself >> brought a Russian keyboard from Russia. >> > There are also a lot of Ukrainians in Canada. I've known several and > don't recall any being Jewish. > Sure. There are more Ukrainians than Russians. The first wave was from Vlasov army after WWII. Canada saved them from annihilation. Any new Ukrainian Immigrants are also mostly of Jewish kind. Canada seems to love Jewish. So what? zb. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 15:33:23 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:33:23 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <92ee967a1001121343g6990772brb8abc7aa738b3f57-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <92ee967a1001121343g6990772brb8abc7aa738b3f57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100113153323.GS8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 04:43:13PM -0500, Mike Kallies wrote: > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Slack Rat wrote: > > Are say FR, DE, FR (not CF) etc ?keyboards generally available in Canada > > without the prices being $megabuckz ? > > > > Or is there a keyboard marketed that would give all of the required > > characters ? > > > > Currently I swap in and out as required although this is a drag as X > > needs to be reconfigured and resterted each time > > Canadian Multilingual should give you everything you need, but it's a > horrifying keyboard layout: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Canadian_Multilingual_Standard > > The location of the pipe and the backslash are awful, also consider > that stuff like umlauts require double-keypresses. Gnome seems to > support it on my system. Rather unfortunate given the ISO 9995-3 that it almost matches has the pipe and backslash where you would expect them to be (as in it is totally US qwerty compatible). I suppose you could put stickers on a US keyboard and use the 9995-3 mapping. I haven't figured out if X even has a full 9995-3 layout. > That's the only single keyboard I know of which could do French, > German and English. > > Personally, I think you're better off looking at ways to change your > keyboard input dynamically and use the European layouts and then > touch-type, or use a marker on your keyboard :-) > > Gnome and KDE seem to do keyboard layout changes pretty well. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 15:35:24 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:35:24 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <201001122037.59285.amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20100112222344.GR8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <201001122037.59285.amarjan@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20100113153524.GT8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 08:37:59PM -0500, Andrej Marjan wrote: > On January 12, 2010 05:23:44 pm you wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:16:28PM +0100, Slack Rat wrote: > > > Are say FR, DE, FR (not CF) etc keyboards generally available in Canada > > > without the prices being $megabuckz ? > > > > > > Or is there a keyboard marketed that would give all of the required > > > characters ? > > > > Canadian Multilingual Standard (CSA) has all the characters you can need > > for all european languages. It is what all canadian government > > orginazations are supposed to buy. They are not expensive. > > Is there Cyrillic support hiding somewhere that the Wikipedia image doesn't > show? If not, then hardly all European languages. Well I think it claims to cover 14 languages or so. I think they are all latin based though. I think most people didn't consider russia to really be european. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 15:40:03 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:40:03 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <878wc36n2r.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <20100113154003.GA26754@yam.witteman.ca> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:16:28PM +0100, Slack Rat wrote: >Are say FR, DE, FR (not CF) etc keyboards generally available in Canada >without the prices being $megabuckz ? > >Or is there a keyboard marketed that would give all of the required >characters ? > >Currently I swap in and out as required although this is a drag as X >needs to be reconfigured and resterted each time If you need/want a Canadian French keyboard, I have two USB ones that Dell sent me to replace two of their POS Bluetooth keyboards (not Point-Of-Sale). No one wants to use them here at work, because they are just different enough in physical layout to give people fits. I would happily exchange these keyboards for standard USB models. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 15:42:05 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:42:05 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <4B4DDC85.6090806-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B4DD126.8090708@gmail.com> <4B4DDC85.6090806@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100113154205.GU8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 09:45:25AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Several years ago, when I was working at IBM, my department developed > standard desktop systems for IBM Canada employees. We had to create > both English and French versions and configured the French systems to > use the Canadian French keyboard. Based on what I have found, most people hate the french canadian layout (which was supposedly designed by the IBM marketing department in Toronto by attempting to make as few changes as possible to the US layout and make it not look very french at all). The canadian government does not accept it for use. I believe Apple puts a Canadian Multilingual keyboard on their machines sold for use in french in Canada. People seem to generally really like that one. It's a shame about the \ and | positions though. Otherwise I might actually want one. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 16:13:19 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:13:19 -0500 Subject: setting up virtual box to SNAT/DNAT Message-ID: <491f66a51001130813g68152342ne00be1c0e734b2a5@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to setup asterisk inside a virtual box vm on a host with only one interface. The host is running ubuntu 6.06, and virtualbox 2.2 I can get the host to talk out, but I can't DNAT ports I've setup a bridge device # VirtualBox NAT bridge auto vnet0 iface vnet0 inet static address 172.16.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 bridge_ports none bridge_maxwait 0 bridge_fd 1 Here are the iptables rules iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 10022 -j DNAT --to-destination 172.16.0.113:22 iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o vnet0 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -o eth0 -i vnet0 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE if I telnet into port 10022 the guest sees the incoming packet on port 22, but it doesn't go back properly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 16:45:17 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:45:17 -0500 Subject: setting up virtual box to SNAT/DNAT In-Reply-To: <491f66a51001130813g68152342ne00be1c0e734b2a5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <491f66a51001130813g68152342ne00be1c0e734b2a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4DF89D.8030602@alteeve.com> Dave Cramer wrote: > I'm trying to setup asterisk inside a virtual box vm on a host with > only one interface. The host is running ubuntu 6.06, and virtualbox > 2.2 > > I can get the host to talk out, but I can't DNAT ports > > I've setup a bridge device > > # VirtualBox NAT bridge > auto vnet0 > iface vnet0 inet static > address 172.16.0.1 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > bridge_ports none > bridge_maxwait 0 > bridge_fd 1 > > > Here are the iptables rules > > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 10022 -j > DNAT --to-destination 172.16.0.113:22 > iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT > iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o vnet0 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT > iptables -A FORWARD -o eth0 -i vnet0 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT > iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE > > > if I telnet into port 10022 the guest sees the incoming packet on port > 22, but it doesn't go back properly. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Dave There is a difference: > address 172.16.0.1 and > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 10022 -j > DNAT --to-destination 172.16.0.113:22 Is this intentional, or a type? I know I make enough of them. :P If not, how do you route traffic? Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 17:02:10 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:02:10 -0500 Subject: setting up virtual box to SNAT/DNAT In-Reply-To: <4B4DF89D.8030602-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <491f66a51001130813g68152342ne00be1c0e734b2a5@mail.gmail.com> <4B4DF89D.8030602@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <491f66a51001130902v6ae4a31dp1805c3030cb9fcfd@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Madison Kelly wrote: > Dave Cramer wrote: >> >> I'm trying to setup asterisk inside a virtual box vm on a host with >> only one interface. The host is running ubuntu 6.06, and virtualbox >> 2.2 >> >> I can get the host to talk out, but I can't DNAT ports >> >> I've setup a bridge device >> >> # VirtualBox NAT bridge >> auto vnet0 >> iface vnet0 inet static >> ? ? ? ?address 172.16.0.1 >> ? ? ? ?netmask 255.255.255.0 >> ? ? ? ?bridge_ports none >> ? ? ? ?bridge_maxwait 0 >> ? ? ? ?bridge_fd 1 >> >> >> Here are the iptables rules >> >> ?iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 10022 -j >> DNAT --to-destination 172.16.0.113:22 >> ?iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT >> ?iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o vnet0 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT >> ?iptables -A FORWARD -o eth0 -i vnet0 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT >> ?iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE >> >> >> if I telnet into port 10022 the guest sees the incoming packet on port >> 22, but it doesn't go back properly. >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Dave > > There is a difference: > >> ? ? ? ? address 172.16.0.1 > > and > >> ?iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 10022 -j >> DNAT --to-destination 172.16.0.113:22 > > Is this intentional, or a type? I know I make enough of them. :P If not, how > do you route traffic? > this is intentional, 113 is the guest ip address inside the vm. routing is done using route ie route default 172.16.0.1/24 gw eth0 Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 17:13:32 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:13:32 -0500 Subject: setting up a mail server Message-ID: Guys I want to setup an internal only mail server for testing, does ubuntu come preinstalled with one and what do I need to do to get going? I don't want it to interfere with an external mail server I am using to send and read mail. How do I set things up so that test emails for inside my LAN don't go outside? -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 17:15:05 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:15:05 -0500 Subject: setting up virtual box to SNAT/DNAT In-Reply-To: <4B4DF89D.8030602-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <491f66a51001130813g68152342ne00be1c0e734b2a5@mail.gmail.com> <4B4DF89D.8030602@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <491f66a51001130915n4945b8f4od94dcaf515124e18@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Madison Kelly wrote: > Dave Cramer wrote: >> >> I'm trying to setup asterisk inside a virtual box vm on a host with >> only one interface. The host is running ubuntu 6.06, and virtualbox >> 2.2 >> >> I can get the host to talk out, but I can't DNAT ports >> >> I've setup a bridge device >> >> # VirtualBox NAT bridge >> auto vnet0 >> iface vnet0 inet static >> ? ? ? ?address 172.16.0.1 >> ? ? ? ?netmask 255.255.255.0 >> ? ? ? ?bridge_ports none >> ? ? ? ?bridge_maxwait 0 >> ? ? ? ?bridge_fd 1 >> >> >> Here are the iptables rules >> >> ?iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 10022 -j >> DNAT --to-destination 172.16.0.113:22 >> ?iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT >> ?iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o vnet0 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT >> ?iptables -A FORWARD -o eth0 -i vnet0 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT >> ?iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE >> >> >> if I telnet into port 10022 the guest sees the incoming packet on port >> 22, but it doesn't go back properly. >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Dave > > There is a difference: > >> ? ? ? ? address 172.16.0.1 > > and > >> ?iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 10022 -j >> DNAT --to-destination 172.16.0.113:22 > > Is this intentional, or a type? I know I make enough of them. :P If not, how > do you route traffic? > Figured it out, can't used bridged network in virtual box, have to use host only interface and use their interface, then it all works Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 17:19:53 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:19:53 -0500 Subject: setting up a mail server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B4E00B9.8080103@dinamis.com> On 01/13/2010 12:13 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Guys I want to setup an internal only mail server for testing, does > ubuntu come preinstalled with one and what do I need to do to get > going? I don't want it to interfere with an external mail server I am > using to send and read mail. > > How do I set things up so that test emails for inside my LAN don't go outside? -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 17:42:37 2010 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:42:37 -0500 Subject: setting up a mail server In-Reply-To: <4B4E00B9.8080103-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B4E00B9.8080103@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f1001130942u3f01485eyf475ae025c06dc49@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 01/13/2010 12:13 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> >> Guys I want to setup an internal only mail server for testing, does >> ubuntu come preinstalled with one and what do I need to do to get >> going? I don't want it to interfere with an external mail server I am >> using to send and read mail. >> >> How do I set things up so that test emails for inside my LAN don't go >> outside? > > Just a quick note - the docs for fake_SMTP_server are a bit out of date; you still need the python-twisted package but it's not at the location specified in INSTALL. If you're on Ubuntu or Debian you can grab it with "apt-get install python-twisted" For other distributions and OS's check http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/wiki/Downloads -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ @psema4 Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 17:58:28 2010 From: ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Amanda Yilmaz) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:58:28 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <878wc36n2r.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <4B4E09C4.4040507@pobox.com> Slack Rat wrote: > Are say FR, DE, FR (not CF) etc keyboards generally available in Canada > without the prices being $megabuckz ? > > Or is there a keyboard marketed that would give all of the required > characters ? > > Currently I swap in and out as required although this is a drag as X > needs to be reconfigured and resterted each time > One thing you should bear in mind: even though keyboards all over the world come with all sorts of characters printed on the key caps, from an electrical point of view there are really only three basic *hardware* layouts: the US hardware layout (47 graphic keys, also used in English Canada), the ISO "European" hardware layout (48 graphic keys, used for European, Canadian French, and Canadian "multilingual" keyboards), and the Japanese hardware layout (50 graphic keys). All of these layouts produce the *same scan codes* per physical key. That is, if you connect a French AZERTY keyboard to a computer with the German QWERTZ layout chosen in software, and you then type A, you will still get an Q on the screen because the A on a French keyboard produces the same scan code that the Q on a German keyboard does. It's actually the X keyboard driver that translates the scan code to produce the correct character. So even if you do manage to find, say, a French AZERTY or a German QWERTZ keyboard in Canada, you can't just swap it with a US-style QWERTY keyboard and have everything work right away; you will *still* have to change the layout in software nevertheless. That fact makes switching between different physical keyboards less useful than you may think (unless you're a hunt-and-peck typist). XKB (which is part of X) allows you to switch the software layout *without having to restart the X server. You can configure it to make up to 4 software layouts available at once, and define a key combination to switch between them whenever you wish (this is what I do to switch between English and French). If you're using GNOME or KDE, both of them have control panels which allow you to set this up from the GUI. One small detail: the extra key on ISO-style keyboards (usually located at the lower left of the keyboard, next to the left Shift key) produces a unique scan code which is inaccessible from US-style keyboards. This means that if you select a European or Canadian French layout in software while using a US-style keyboard, you will effectively be missing one key (since those software layouts are designed for ISO-style keyboards with the extra key). For example, the Canadian French layout uses this key for the guillemets (French quotation marks). So in that case you will have to find some other way of producing the guillemets, possibly by copying and pasting. You should also be aware that Canadian French and most European software layouts use the right Alt key as a kind of third-level Shift key to produce still more characters. On ISO-style keyboards, this key is usually labelled "AltGr", but you can think of this as simply another name for right Alt, since the scan codes are the same. Importantly, AltGr + E produces the "euro" symbol on most European layouts (an important one to know these days!) Amanda -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 18:25:27 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:25:27 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <20100113154205.GU8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B4DD126.8090708@gmail.com> <4B4DDC85.6090806@rogers.com> <20100113154205.GU8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: > > Based on what I have found, most people hate the french canadian layout > (which was supposedly designed by the IBM marketing department in Toronto > by attempting to make as few changes as possible to the US layout and > make it not look very french at all). ?The canadian government does not > accept it for use. Interesting. So if the Canadian government do not use them, who use them then? I assume the government would be the biggest consumer considering most of their employee are dual lingual (Official once I mean) Would you happen to know what the government uses by the way? France keyboards? > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 18:34:08 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:34:08 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B4DD126.8090708@gmail.com> <4B4DDC85.6090806@rogers.com> <20100113154205.GU8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100113183408.GV8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 01:25:27PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: > > > > Based on what I have found, most people hate the french canadian layout > > (which was supposedly designed by the IBM marketing department in Toronto > > by attempting to make as few changes as possible to the US layout and > > make it not look very french at all). ?The canadian government does not > > accept it for use. > > Interesting. So if the Canadian government do not use them, who use > them then? I assume the government would be the biggest consumer > considering most of their employee are dual lingual (Official once I > mean) > > Would you happen to know what the government uses by the way? France keyboards? Canadian Multilingual Standard (A CSA standard layout). French Canadian is a PC only thing invented by IBM. I don't think the Macintosh ever used it, nor any other system type that I know of. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 19:13:51 2010 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:13:51 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <20100113153524.GT8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20100112222344.GR8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <201001122037.59285.amarjan@pobox.com> <20100113153524.GT8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <92ee967a1001131113y204d451di49941eceabd77dbf@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Lennart Sorensen ... > Well I think it claims to cover 14 languages or so. ?I think they are > all latin based though. ?I think most people didn't consider russia to > really be european. Maybe most people in North America might not consider Russia to be in Europe, but Moscow is in Europe, and Bulgaria is Cyrillic too! (I'm probably forgetting Macedonia, but I don't know anything about them.) Oh and Greece is Greek :-) -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 19:14:44 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:14:44 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B4DD126.8090708@gmail.com> <4B4DDC85.6090806@rogers.com> <20100113154205.GU8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:25 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > Interesting. So if the Canadian government do not use them, who use > them then? I assume the government would be the biggest consumer > considering most of their employee are dual lingual (Official once I > mean) > > Would you happen to know what the government uses by the way? France keyboards? This one's not necessarily as one would assume... The usual requirement tends to involve being bilingual in *spoken* language. Being very highly capable in both languages in written form would tend to primarily be required of translators, and while the Canadian government probably has more of those than anybody other than the British and French governments, it's still only a small portion of the civil service. And for those in the translation specialty, "dueling keyboards" won't be a feature :-). Much more effective for such staff to have *one* keyboard (of whichever linguistic preference) that they get very good with. After all... Je peut utiliser mon "anglais" clavier pour ecrire un texte francais. I have never bothered figuring out accents on my keyboard, but I don't need a different keyboard layout for that! What I'd expect to be the case is that individuals might order whichever keyboard they prefer to use, with there possibly being some policy limitations. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Pablo Picasso - "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 20:15:55 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:15:55 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B4DD126.8090708@gmail.com> <4B4DDC85.6090806@rogers.com> <20100113154205.GU8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100113201555.GW8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 02:14:44PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > This one's not necessarily as one would assume... > > The usual requirement tends to involve being bilingual in *spoken* language. Well from what I read, at least the government of quebec requires their computers to have the CAN/CSA Z243.200-92 keyboard layout. The canadian government also seems to prefer them in most cases: http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?id=17253 > Being very highly capable in both languages in written form would tend > to primarily be required of translators, and while the Canadian > government probably has more of those than anybody other than the > British and French governments, it's still only a small portion of the > civil service. > > And for those in the translation specialty, "dueling keyboards" won't > be a feature :-). Much more effective for such staff to have *one* > keyboard (of whichever linguistic preference) that they get very good > with. > > After all... Je peut utiliser mon "anglais" clavier pour ecrire un > texte francais. I have never bothered figuring out accents on my > keyboard, but I don't need a different keyboard layout for that! Well for occifial documents, accents probably matter quite a bit. > What I'd expect to be the case is that individuals might order > whichever keyboard they prefer to use, with there possibly being some > policy limitations. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 20:34:37 2010 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:34:37 -0500 Subject: setting up a mail server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use this simple python script for email debugging http://gist.github.com/276555. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Guys I want to setup an internal only mail server for testing, does > ubuntu come preinstalled with one and what do I need to do to get > going? I don't want it to interfere with an external mail server I am > using to send and read mail. > > How do I set things up so that test emails for inside my LAN don't go outside? > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Myles Braithwaite me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org http://mylesbraithwaite.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 20:55:51 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:55:51 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <20100113201555.GW8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B4DD126.8090708@gmail.com> <4B4DDC85.6090806@rogers.com> <20100113154205.GU8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100113201555.GW8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B4E3357.5060803@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Well for occifial documents, accents probably matter quite a bit. ^^^^^^^ Spelling too! ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 21:10:32 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:10:32 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <4B4E3357.5060803-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B4DD126.8090708@gmail.com> <4B4DDC85.6090806@rogers.com> <20100113154205.GU8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100113201555.GW8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B4E3357.5060803@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100113211032.GX8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 03:55:51PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >> Well for occifial documents, accents probably matter quite a bit. > ^^^^^^^ Spelling too! ;-) Well I don't work for the government. I can't help it if the letters want to swap places. I got the right number and type of letters. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 21:16:53 2010 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:16:53 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <20100113211032.GX8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B4E3357.5060803@rogers.com> <20100113211032.GX8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wednesday 13 January 2010 16:10:32 you wrote: > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 03:55:51PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> Well for occifial documents, accents probably matter quite a bit. > > > > ^^^^^^^ Spelling too! ;-) > > Well I don't work for the government. I can't help it if the letters > want to swap places. I got the right number and type of letters. > Right number and type of letters? Meh - close enough for government work. ^_^ -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 13 22:06:55 2010 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:06:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: setting up virtual box to SNAT/DNAT In-Reply-To: <491f66a51001130813g68152342ne00be1c0e734b2a5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <491f66a51001130813g68152342ne00be1c0e734b2a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <640123.14678.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi Dave, If you setup NAT networking I don't think you can access the virtual machine because the masquerading rule is set by VirtualBox and I don't know how or where it does that. Your iptable rule applies to the host network and not the virtual network. You can bridge the virtual network card with the host network card but that got to be done when the host machine boots after the network interfaces are up. You first need to install the bridging utilities. In that case you don't need DNAT/SNAT as the virtual machine will be on the host network with its own ip address. You can google to find which packages you need to install for network bridging (something like tun and bridge-utils on Ubuntu) as well as the configuration for VirtualBox. HTH, EK --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Dave Cramer wrote: > From: Dave Cramer > Subject: [TLUG]: setting up virtual box to SNAT/DNAT > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 11:13 AM > I'm trying to setup asterisk inside a > virtual box vm on a host with > only one interface. The host is running ubuntu 6.06, and > virtualbox > 2.2 > > I can get the host to talk out, but I can't DNAT ports > > I've setup a bridge device > > # VirtualBox NAT bridge > auto vnet0 > iface vnet0 inet static > ? ? ? ? address 172.16.0.1 > ? ? ? ? netmask 255.255.255.0 > ? ? ? ? bridge_ports none > ? ? ? ? bridge_maxwait 0 > ? ? ? ? bridge_fd 1 > > > Here are the iptables rules > > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp > --dport 10022 -j > DNAT --to-destination 172.16.0.113:22 > iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED > -j ACCEPT > iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o vnet0 -m state --state NEW > -j ACCEPT > iptables -A FORWARD -o eth0 -i vnet0 -m state --state NEW > -j ACCEPT > iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE > > > if I telnet into port 10022 the guest sees the incoming > packet on port > 22, but it doesn't go back properly. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Dave > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 14 00:53:21 2010 From: ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Amanda Yilmaz) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:53:21 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <20100113183408.GV8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B4DD126.8090708@gmail.com> <4B4DDC85.6090806@rogers.com> <20100113154205.GU8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100113183408.GV8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B4E6B01.5090208@pobox.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > French Canadian is a PC only thing invented by IBM. I don't think the > Macintosh ever used it, nor any other system type that I know of. It wasn't a PC-only thing. Early Macintosh computers used a similar layout (I know because I took a good look at one while visiting a computer store in Quebec City in 1985, and developed a layout-switching desk accessory based on it). Canadian French typewriters also used to have a similar layout, and I'm guessing IBM and Apple simply developed their Canadian French layouts based on the common typewriter layout of the time (though with some vendor-specific modifications). Amanda -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 14 02:06:11 2010 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:06:11 -0500 Subject: Beagle In-Reply-To: <20091228221036.6583e067.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20091228221036.6583e067.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <201001132106.11863.amarjan@pobox.com> On December 28, 2009 10:10:36 pm you wrote: > I just looked at my disk space usage, and I have observed that Beagle is > using over 600MB. Is anyone here consciously using beagle to search > files? I am playing with it and trying to figure out just how useful it > is. I found it slow and it had poor KDE integration so I didn't use it. Most of the application bridges seemed to focus on Gnome. > I am using a DVD burner for backup, so 600MB is significant space. > There's no need to back up the index files, any more than to back up thumbnail images. They're both derived from real data, and can be recreated after a restore. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 14 04:21:18 2010 From: ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Amanda Yilmaz) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:21:18 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <20100113154205.GU8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B4DD126.8090708@gmail.com> <4B4DDC85.6090806@rogers.com> <20100113154205.GU8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B4E9BBE.3010109@pobox.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 09:45:25AM -0500, James Knott wrote: >> Several years ago, when I was working at IBM, my department developed >> standard desktop systems for IBM Canada employees. We had to create >> both English and French versions and configured the French systems to >> use the Canadian French keyboard. > > Based on what I have found, most people hate the french canadian layout > (which was supposedly designed by the IBM marketing department in Toronto > by attempting to make as few changes as possible to the US layout and > make it not look very french at all). The canadian government does not > accept it for use. I believe Apple puts a Canadian Multilingual keyboard > on their machines sold for use in french in Canada. People seem to > generally really like that one. It's a shame about the \ and | > positions though. Otherwise I might actually want one. That's true, Apple has used the CSA layout on all of its Canadian French models since at least the late '80s or early '90s, as far as I know. I personally dislike the CSA layout for practical reasons. I feel that the group that developed this layout made a fundamental error by insisting that all three French grave-accented letters (?, ? and ?) have their own individual keys, and not using a single conveniently placed grave accent key as with the Canadian French PC layout. If they had used a single key for the grave accent instead, there would have been room to allow five more characters to be accessed without using AltGr (right Alt), and to put such commonly used characters as / in far more convenient positions. Even worse, since ? is on the "extra" key which exists only on ISO-style keyboards, you can't even type it directly if you're using a US-style hardware keyboard (i.e., the vast majority of keyboards sold in Canada). In order to get "?" with the CSA layout when using a US hardware keyboard, you must type AltGr-^ (yes, ^) to get the "dead-key" grave accent, then type "u" - not impossible, but damned inconvenient and easy to forget. Amanda -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 14 04:21:35 2010 From: ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Amanda Yilmaz) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:21:35 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <20100113153323.GS8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <92ee967a1001121343g6990772brb8abc7aa738b3f57@mail.gmail.com> <20100113153323.GS8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B4E9BCF.6000706@pobox.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 04:43:13PM -0500, Mike Kallies wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Slack Rat wrote: >>> Are say FR, DE, FR (not CF) etc keyboards generally available in Canada >>> without the prices being $megabuckz ? >>> >>> Or is there a keyboard marketed that would give all of the required >>> characters ? >>> >>> Currently I swap in and out as required although this is a drag as X >>> needs to be reconfigured and resterted each time >> Canadian Multilingual should give you everything you need, but it's a >> horrifying keyboard layout: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Canadian_Multilingual_Standard >> >> The location of the pipe and the backslash are awful, also consider >> that stuff like umlauts require double-keypresses. Gnome seems to >> support it on my system. > > Rather unfortunate given the ISO 9995-3 that it almost matches has the > pipe and backslash where you would expect them to be (as in it is totally > US qwerty compatible). I suppose you could put stickers on a US keyboard > and use the 9995-3 mapping. I haven't figured out if X even has a full > 9995-3 layout. I've been doing some poking around, and though I haven't found a standard 9995-3 layout in X yet (a curious omission, considering how many other weird layouts are in there - "Portugal Nativo for Esperanto", anyone?), I've found a layout that's very close: the "United Kingdom Macintosh" layout. Unlike the other UK layouts, this one puts `, ~, \, |, and @ in their US positions, and almost everything else in its standard 9995-3 position; the sole difference from 9995-3 appears to be that the ? and # symbols are reversed (? is shift-3 and # is AltGr-3, which is to be expected of a British layout; AltGr means the right Alt key). With this layout, you can type just about anything in any Western language, though using AltGr-3 for # may take a bit of getting used to. Another option would be the "USA International (AltGr dead keys)" layout; this is the same as the Windows "USA International" layout, except that you use AltGr plus ', `, ^, ", ~, etc. to access accents rather than having ', `, ^, ", ~, etc. be treated automatically as accent keys (which I always found extremely annoying, since to get an actual ', `, ^, " or ~ character you then had to type it twice). Yet another option would be the classic Unix "Compose" key method, where you type a designated "Compose" key followed by two other characters in sequence to get a "composed" character (e.g. "Compose", "o", "e" yields "?"; "Compose", "e", "`" yields "?"; and so forth). Since modern PC keyboards don't have a "Compose" key like old Unix keyboards did, you must designate one in software to use this method (perhaps the right Control key?) Amanda -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 14 08:05:06 2010 From: ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Amanda Yilmaz) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:05:06 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <4B4E9BCF.6000706-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <92ee967a1001121343g6990772brb8abc7aa738b3f57@mail.gmail.com> <20100113153323.GS8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B4E9BCF.6000706@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4B4ED032.1000400@pobox.com> Amanda Yilmaz wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: ... >> Rather unfortunate given the ISO 9995-3 that it almost matches has the >> pipe and backslash where you would expect them to be (as in it is totally >> US qwerty compatible). I suppose you could put stickers on a US keyboard >> and use the 9995-3 mapping. I haven't figured out if X even has a full >> 9995-3 layout. > > I've been doing some poking around, and though I haven't found a > standard 9995-3 layout in X yet (a curious omission, considering how > many other weird layouts are in there - "Portugal Nativo for Esperanto", > anyone?), I've found a layout that's very close: the "United Kingdom > Macintosh" layout. Unlike the other UK layouts, this one puts `, ~, \, > |, and @ in their US positions, and almost everything else in its > standard 9995-3 position; the sole difference from 9995-3 appears to be > that the ? and # symbols are reversed (? is shift-3 and # is AltGr-3, > which is to be expected of a British layout; AltGr means the right Alt > key). With this layout, you can type just about anything in any Western > language, though using AltGr-3 for # may take a bit of getting used to. ... Update: I finally found a layout in X which matches ISO 9995-3 in all respects, including the placement of #: it's the "Netherlands Macintosh" layout. So choose that one if you want the 9995-3 layout (I just made it the default on my laptop). My apologies to everyone for cheerfully beating this topic to death, but I really do get into this stuff. :-D Amanda -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 14 16:13:47 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:13:47 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <4B4ED032.1000400-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <92ee967a1001121343g6990772brb8abc7aa738b3f57@mail.gmail.com> <20100113153323.GS8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B4E9BCF.6000706@pobox.com> <4B4ED032.1000400@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20100114161347.GY8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 03:05:06AM -0500, Amanda Yilmaz wrote: > Update: I finally found a layout in X which matches ISO 9995-3 in all > respects, including the placement of #: it's the "Netherlands Macintosh" > layout. So choose that one if you want the 9995-3 layout (I just made it > the default on my laptop). > > My apologies to everyone for cheerfully beating this topic to death, but > I really do get into this stuff. :-D Hmm, I tried picking that layout in X, and it bahaves exactly like the US layout. I can't get it to do anything else (right alt is not behaving as altgr). How odd. Any idea what the 3rd level shift key is? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 14 17:19:02 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:19:02 -0500 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: <4B4798C9.6000501-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> <4B465405.8060304@alteeve.com> <4B46596B.6040805@vianet.ca> <4B465A84.6010505@alteeve.com> <4B46612C.7000200@vianet.ca> <4B4682B8.7060307@alteeve.com> <4B4728FF.7020904@vianet.ca> <82cfee536e61359f640c490a7842656e.squirrel@www.webmail.execulink.com> <4B4798C9.6000501@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <7c50d3571001140919w1e7bc9f2o769ffb6cd07028a1@mail.gmail.com> Sorry to bring back an old topic, Devon, but have you tried emesene: http://www.emesene.org/download.html -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 14 17:54:24 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:54:24 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <4B4ED032.1000400-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <92ee967a1001121343g6990772brb8abc7aa738b3f57@mail.gmail.com> <20100113153323.GS8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B4E9BCF.6000706@pobox.com> <4B4ED032.1000400@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20100114175424.GA20778@yam.witteman.ca> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 03:05:06AM -0500, Amanda Yilmaz wrote: >Amanda Yilmaz wrote: >My apologies to everyone for cheerfully beating this topic to death, but >I really do get into this stuff. :-D No apology necessary as far as I'm concerned - one of the best things about this list is this diversity of deep knowledge. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 14 17:56:59 2010 From: ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Amanda Yilmaz) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:56:59 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <20100114161347.GY8606-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <92ee967a1001121343g6990772brb8abc7aa738b3f57@mail.gmail.com> <20100113153323.GS8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B4E9BCF.6000706@pobox.com> <4B4ED032.1000400@pobox.com> <20100114161347.GY8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B4F5AEB.7030501@pobox.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 03:05:06AM -0500, Amanda Yilmaz wrote: >> Update: I finally found a layout in X which matches ISO 9995-3 in all >> respects, including the placement of #: it's the "Netherlands Macintosh" >> layout. So choose that one if you want the 9995-3 layout (I just made it >> the default on my laptop). >> >> My apologies to everyone for cheerfully beating this topic to death, but >> I really do get into this stuff. :-D > > Hmm, I tried picking that layout in X, and it bahaves exactly like the > US layout. I can't get it to do anything else (right alt is not behaving > as altgr). How odd. Any idea what the 3rd level shift key is? The 3rd-level shift key is usually right Alt by default... Which distro are you using, and which desktop environment (if any)? And have you explicitly altered xorg.conf or made any special customizations via xmodmap? On the Ubuntu GNOME desktop, you can bring up the Keyboard Preferences dialog by choosing System > Preferences > Keyboard. On the "Layouts" page there's a button called "Layout Options". If you press this, a Layout Options dialog pops up which allows you to choose all sorts of options regarding key placement; any option shown in bold has been changed from the default setting. I'd especially look under "Alt/Win key behaviour" and "Key to choose 3rd level"; you may need to set the "Key to choose 3rd level" explicitly. This dialog is of course a front end to XKB (the X Keyboard Extension), which provides the "setxkbmap" command for changing the keyboard layout dynamically, no matter what was specified in xorg.conf. In fact, my xorg.conf doesn't specify a default layout (which probably means it reverts to "us"); certainly it's something else (shell script? gnome-settings-daemon?) changing the layout to layout "nl", variant "mac" after I log into my user account. If you're not using GNOME or KDE, maybe you will need to call setxkbmap explicitly as well, to override whatever your distro is doing behind the scenes? Amanda -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 14 18:03:01 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:03:01 -0500 Subject: setting up virtual box to SNAT/DNAT In-Reply-To: <640123.14678.qm-XZZpPA3K4zX5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <491f66a51001130813g68152342ne00be1c0e734b2a5@mail.gmail.com> <640123.14678.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <491f66a51001141003l3fcf7af2taeafb9b500025e7@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:06 PM, E K wrote: > Hi Dave, > > If you setup NAT networking I don't think you can access the virtual machine because the masquerading rule is set by VirtualBox and I don't know how or where it does that. Your iptable rule applies to the host network and not the virtual network. Yes, this can be done easily, but my end goal is asterisk which needs a large set of ip's natted. So vbox NAT is not a good solution > > You can bridge the virtual network card with the host network card but that got to be done when the host machine boots after the network interfaces are up. You first need to install the bridging utilities. In that case you don't need DNAT/SNAT as the virtual machine will be on the host network with its own ip address. Yes, this is the easiest, however I don't want to use another ip address, it's at my ISP's facility > > You can google to find which packages you need to install for network bridging (something like tun and bridge-utils on Ubuntu) as well as the configuration for VirtualBox. I did get it to work using HostOnlyIf, as long as you use the supplied vboxnet0 interface it all works great. Thanks, Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 14 20:04:41 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:04:41 -0500 Subject: Keyboards - Availability in Canada In-Reply-To: <4B4F5AEB.7030501-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <878wc36n2r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <92ee967a1001121343g6990772brb8abc7aa738b3f57@mail.gmail.com> <20100113153323.GS8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B4E9BCF.6000706@pobox.com> <4B4ED032.1000400@pobox.com> <20100114161347.GY8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B4F5AEB.7030501@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20100114200441.GZ8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 12:56:59PM -0500, Amanda Yilmaz wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 03:05:06AM -0500, Amanda Yilmaz wrote: > >> Update: I finally found a layout in X which matches ISO 9995-3 in all > >> respects, including the placement of #: it's the "Netherlands Macintosh" > >> layout. So choose that one if you want the 9995-3 layout (I just made it > >> the default on my laptop). > >> > >> My apologies to everyone for cheerfully beating this topic to death, but > >> I really do get into this stuff. :-D > > > > Hmm, I tried picking that layout in X, and it bahaves exactly like the > > US layout. I can't get it to do anything else (right alt is not behaving > > as altgr). How odd. Any idea what the 3rd level shift key is? > > The 3rd-level shift key is usually right Alt by default... > > Which distro are you using, and which desktop environment (if any)? And > have you explicitly altered xorg.conf or made any special customizations > via xmodmap? I was using kde 4.3 and asked it to switch the keymap. I wonder if it did or not. When I picked US international, it made a difference. Debian unstable is the distribution. > On the Ubuntu GNOME desktop, you can bring up the Keyboard Preferences > dialog by choosing System > Preferences > Keyboard. On the "Layouts" > page there's a button called "Layout Options". If you press this, a > Layout Options dialog pops up which allows you to choose all sorts of > options regarding key placement; any option shown in bold has been > changed from the default setting. I'd especially look under "Alt/Win key > behaviour" and "Key to choose 3rd level"; you may need to set the "Key > to choose 3rd level" explicitly. > > This dialog is of course a front end to XKB (the X Keyboard Extension), > which provides the "setxkbmap" command for changing the keyboard layout > dynamically, no matter what was specified in xorg.conf. In fact, my > xorg.conf doesn't specify a default layout (which probably means it > reverts to "us"); certainly it's something else (shell script? > gnome-settings-daemon?) changing the layout to layout "nl", variant > "mac" after I log into my user account. If you're not using GNOME or > KDE, maybe you will need to call setxkbmap explicitly as well, to > override whatever your distro is doing behind the scenes? I think I found a bug in KDE 4.3. If I go to the page for selecting what is the level 3 shift key and such, and apply that too, then suddenly the right alt starts to work. Silly KDE. It was already set to right alt, but unselecting and selecting it again and hitting apply fixed things it seems. Now I can do stuff. The 2009 draft has a level 5 of course which I think right alt should access, although I don't think anyone has implemented that one yet. It seems to mostly add accent dead keys to the various keys. A lot of symbols get moved around too by it. `1234567890-=\ (plain) ~!@#$%^&*()_+| (shifted) ????$??&?]}?? (altgr) ???????????? (shifted+altgr) qwertyuiop[] (plain) QWERTYUIOP{} (shifted) @?????????[] (altgr) ??????????{} (shifted+altgr) asdfghjkl;' (plain) ASDFGHJKL:" (shifted) ??????????? (altgr) ??????????? (shifted+altgr) zxcvbnm,./ (plain) ZXCVBNM<>? (shifted) ?????n???? (altgr) (shifted+altgr) For some reason altgr+a doesn't work, while altgr+shift+a does work (so I can only get upper case for some reason). It should produce ?. The upper case being ? of course. Overall not bad. I think I will stick with this for a while. So Netherlands Macintosh PC104 with right alt level 3 shift and menu key for compose. Nice combination. -- Len S?rensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 03:21:21 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:21:21 -0500 Subject: 7 Best Linux Apps for Ripping CDs and DVDs Message-ID: <7c50d3571001141921p4f183bc8qfcd37ed44a35d862@mail.gmail.com> Found this article on MaximumPC.com, the turncoats who obviously got paid by MS to shut down their Linux magazine Maximum Linux all those years ago: "Ripping a CD or DVD is one of the most basic tasks for a PC user. But you need the right tools if you want to automate the process. Current ripping programs incorporate video encoding, tagging, and subtitles management. There's no single app that will do everything, so here are our picks for the best Linux apps for ripping audio CDs and video DVDs." http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/7_best_linux_apps_ripping_cds_and_dvds -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 04:05:04 2010 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:05:04 -0500 Subject: Templating system for documents In-Reply-To: <20100112205008.GA9212-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100112205008.GA9212@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20100114230504.d3dba091.hgibson@eol.ca> On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:50:08 -0500 William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I have to format a bunch of documents, on an on-going basis, to a > specific format - the output format is PDF. > > These documents get handed to me in MS Word files, and right now my only > method is to paste content into existing Word files. It's horrible - > weirdness creeps in immediately, and there is no way to distinguish > semantic from stylistic content. > > I've used desktop publishing platforms and authored documents for the > web, and I've also used LaTeX - none of these systems seems right for > what I want to do. Does anyone have a method for creating correctly > styled documents without terrible pain and suffering? William, In either Open Office or Microsoft Word, pull down the formatting menu and look at Styles and Formatting. If you can figure this out, it is a powerful tool for imposing semantic logic to your document. I like to rant on this subject. I am preparing notes for my website, but they are not ready yet. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 06:29:53 2010 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:29:53 +0100 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571001140919w1e7bc9f2o769ffb6cd07028a1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> (Michael Lauzon's message of "Thu\, 14 Jan 2010 12\:19\:02 -0500") References: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> <4B465405.8060304@alteeve.com> <4B46596B.6040805@vianet.ca> <4B465A84.6010505@alteeve.com> <4B46612C.7000200@vianet.ca> <4B4682B8.7060307@alteeve.com> <4B4728FF.7020904@vianet.ca> <82cfee536e61359f640c490a7842656e.squirrel@www.webmail.execulink.com> <4B4798C9.6000501@vianet.ca> <7c50d3571001140919w1e7bc9f2o769ffb6cd07028a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <873a27x4m6.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Michael Lauzon a ?crit profondement: | Sorry to bring back an old topic, Devon, but have you tried emesene: | | http://www.emesene.org/download.html | I love the name MS-ANY But Yahoo seems to have pipped the other Messengers in terms of popularity for the time being (anybody want some 4 and 5 digit ICQ numbers?) I believe Yahoo are blocking clones and workalikes But on the bright side, all you need to connect with Yahoo is a browser and a Yahoo account - no additional overhead On the downside, Yahoo is now unblocked in IRAN and it didn't cost them a penny The Cost? All known details on 200,000 Iranian Yahoo subscribers -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 09:49:03 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:49:03 -0500 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: <873a27x4m6.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> <4B46596B.6040805@vianet.ca> <4B465A84.6010505@alteeve.com> <4B46612C.7000200@vianet.ca> <4B4682B8.7060307@alteeve.com> <4B4728FF.7020904@vianet.ca> <82cfee536e61359f640c490a7842656e.squirrel@www.webmail.execulink.com> <4B4798C9.6000501@vianet.ca> <7c50d3571001140919w1e7bc9f2o769ffb6cd07028a1@mail.gmail.com> <873a27x4m6.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3571001150149q77fa1ca7hd33c53dea9f2d9ce@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 01:29, Slack Rat wrote: > Michael Lauzon a ?crit profondement: > > | Sorry to bring back an old topic, Devon, but have you tried emesene: > | > | http://www.emesene.org/download.html > | > > I love the name MS-ANY > Actually the name is a play on the sound of the letters: EM = M, ES = S, ENE = N Also, take out the extra letters and of course you get: xMxSxNx -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 14:37:29 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:37:29 -0800 Subject: 7 Best Linux Apps for Ripping CDs and DVDs In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571001141921p4f183bc8qfcd37ed44a35d862-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571001141921p4f183bc8qfcd37ed44a35d862@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001150637h623b3089h9142827c62861c04@mail.gmail.com> I previously had good luck with "k9copy," but lately it's been doing weird things when ripping my DVD's to Xvid, like desyncing the sound etc. Thus far I've tried via both the FFMpeg and Mplayer methods and I can't figure out what's different. Anyone else run into this? - Tyler p.s. Dear MPAA, I own the DVD's, so I can rip 'em if I want to. On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Found this article on MaximumPC.com, the turncoats who obviously got > paid by MS to shut down their Linux magazine Maximum Linux all those > years ago: > > "Ripping a CD or DVD is one of the most basic tasks for a PC user. But > you need the right tools if you want to automate the process. Current > ripping programs incorporate video encoding, tagging, and subtitles > management. There's no single app that will do everything, so here are > our picks for the best Linux apps for ripping audio CDs and video > DVDs." > > http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/7_best_linux_apps_ripping_cds_and_dvds > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (778) 890-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 14:42:34 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:42:34 -0800 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: <1262968657.9864.2.camel-EWWT1lLJxm2ye9+Y+OZS3dBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <4B464DBB.8040200@vianet.ca> <1262968657.9864.2.camel@hatsya.starnix.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001150642o30f9f371g429309e531ea02db@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:37 AM, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 16:14 -0500, Myles Braithwaite wrote: >> What protocol are you trying to connect to? > > My guess is MSN. ?I had to go to pidgin's home for the latest version. > I'm on ubuntu 8.04 on my desktop and they didn't seem to consider xthe > MSN protocol change worthy of an update. > > HTH, > --matt > >> >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Devon Aitken wrote: >> > My siblings used to use gaim with Linux. I'm a new Linux user and when I >> > installed with sudo apt-get install gaim it came up as Pidgin. When I tried >> > to use it it said that the server does not support our protocol. Is there >> > anyway around this? >> > -- >> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > >> >> >> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > They've had an option for QQ (Chinese ICQ-type program which is *very* popular overseas) for a long tmie, but I don't think I've gotten it to work in the last 1-2 years as it uses outdated protocols. I'm not sure why they don't just remove the older stuff that doesn't work - at least until it's fixed - but in the meantime I suppose the option is to use aMSN or possibly "kopete" for MSN, and maybe Eva for QQ, etc. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 14:53:36 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:53:36 -0500 Subject: Saw this on HardOCP: Hundreds of jobs posted on Linux.com Message-ID: <4B508170.1040703@alteeve.com> http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/blog-entry/hundreds-jobs-posted-linuxcom I know some here are looking for work... Maybe a match will be found! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mrsabidel-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 16:06:31 2010 From: mrsabidel-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Abidel Bassie-Cripps) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:06:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001150642o30f9f371g429309e531ea02db-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001150642o30f9f371g429309e531ea02db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <668133.90218.qm@web59503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Sorry Guys! I missed something! What is wrong with Pidgin? And you left out Empathy. I'm still using Pidgin and on Ubuntu 8.04, 9.04 & 9.10 Abby --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Tyler Aviss wrote: From: Tyler Aviss Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Pidgin To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Received: Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:42 AM On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:37 AM, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 16:14 -0500, Myles Braithwaite wrote: >> What protocol are you trying to connect to? > > My guess is MSN. ?I had to go to pidgin's home for the latest version. > I'm on ubuntu 8.04 on my desktop and they didn't seem to consider xthe > MSN protocol change worthy of an update. > > HTH, > --matt > >> >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Devon Aitken wrote: >> > My siblings used to use gaim with Linux. I'm a new Linux user and when I >> > installed with sudo apt-get install gaim it came up as Pidgin. When I tried >> > to use it it said that the server does not support our protocol. Is there >> > anyway around this? >> > -- >> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > >> >> >> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > They've had an option for QQ (Chinese ICQ-type program which is *very* popular overseas) for a long tmie, but I don't think I've gotten it to work in the last 1-2 years as it uses outdated protocols. I'm not sure why they don't just remove the older stuff that doesn't work - at least until it's fixed - but in the meantime I suppose the option is to use aMSN or possibly "kopete" for MSN, and maybe Eva for QQ, etc. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? 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URL: From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 16:11:25 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:11:25 -0200 Subject: Saw this on HardOCP: Hundreds of jobs posted on Linux.com In-Reply-To: <4B508170.1040703-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B508170.1040703@alteeve.com> Message-ID: I looked a few minutes ago and there was exactly ONE job in Toronto. :-/ FZ On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: > http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/blog-entry/hundreds-jobs-posted-linuxcom > > I know some here are looking for work... Maybe a match will be found! > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 16:25:40 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:25:40 -0200 Subject: 7 Best Linux Apps for Ripping CDs and DVDs In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001150637h623b3089h9142827c62861c04-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571001141921p4f183bc8qfcd37ed44a35d862@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1001150637h623b3089h9142827c62861c04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I really like abcde to rip CDs. http://www.andrews-corner.org/abcde.html FZ On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I previously had good luck with "k9copy," but lately it's been doing > weird things when ripping my DVD's to Xvid, like desyncing the sound > etc. Thus far I've tried via both the FFMpeg and Mplayer methods and I > can't figure out what's different. > > Anyone else run into this? > > > - Tyler > > p.s. Dear MPAA, I own the DVD's, so I can rip 'em if I want to. > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: >> Found this article on MaximumPC.com, the turncoats who obviously got >> paid by MS to shut down their Linux magazine Maximum Linux all those >> years ago: >> >> "Ripping a CD or DVD is one of the most basic tasks for a PC user. But >> you need the right tools if you want to automate the process. Current >> ripping programs incorporate video encoding, tagging, and subtitles >> management. There's no single app that will do everything, so here are >> our picks for the best Linux apps for ripping audio CDs and video >> DVDs." >> >> http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/7_best_linux_apps_ripping_cds_and_dvds >> >> -- >> Sincerely, >> >> Michael Lauzon >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2 > (778) 890-0942 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 16:36:03 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:36:03 -0500 Subject: 7 Best Linux Apps for Ripping CDs and DVDs In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3571001141921p4f183bc8qfcd37ed44a35d862@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1001150637h623b3089h9142827c62861c04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8881001150836l799e8b43ya5c35d5ed7af01c7@mail.gmail.com> I like to use GRIP when I was using Flac...when I bought my ipod I used another one.. DBPoweramp I think it was called, I had to use it with wine, the reason is because I wanted to convert to apple lossless. On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Fabio FZero wrote: > I really like abcde to rip CDs. > > http://www.andrews-corner.org/abcde.html > > FZ > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> I previously had good luck with "k9copy," but lately it's been doing >> weird things when ripping my DVD's to Xvid, like desyncing the sound >> etc. Thus far I've tried via both the FFMpeg and Mplayer methods and I >> can't figure out what's different. >> >> Anyone else run into this? >> >> >> - Tyler >> >> p.s. Dear MPAA, I own the DVD's, so I can rip 'em if I want to. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: >>> Found this article on MaximumPC.com, the turncoats who obviously got >>> paid by MS to shut down their Linux magazine Maximum Linux all those >>> years ago: >>> >>> "Ripping a CD or DVD is one of the most basic tasks for a PC user. But >>> you need the right tools if you want to automate the process. Current >>> ripping programs incorporate video encoding, tagging, and subtitles >>> management. There's no single app that will do everything, so here are >>> our picks for the best Linux apps for ripping audio CDs and video >>> DVDs." >>> >>> http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/7_best_linux_apps_ripping_cds_and_dvds >>> >>> -- >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Michael Lauzon >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tyler Aviss >> Systems Support >> LPIC/LPIC-2 >> (778) 890-0942 >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 17:58:33 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:58:33 -0500 Subject: setting up a mail server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > I use this simple python script for email debugging > http://gist.github.com/276555. Thanks Myles/ Guys, gave me some ideas and of course being a Ruby guy, I had to find something similar for a simple SMTP Ruby server =) > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> Guys I want to setup an internal only mail server for testing, does >> ubuntu come preinstalled with one and what do I need to do to get >> going? I don't want it to interfere with an external mail server I am >> using to send and read mail. >> >> How do I set things up so that test emails for inside my LAN don't go outside? >> >> -- >> Kind Regards, >> Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > Myles Braithwaite > me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > http://mylesbraithwaite.com/ > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 19:11:44 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:11:44 -0200 Subject: Notebooks on Linux Message-ID: Hello, I'm planning to buy a small (about 12" or below) notebook when I arrive in Canada. This is supposed to be a real notebook, not a netbook (or at least a netbook with a very good processor, I need something nice to be my main PC) As it will be my main PC, it will run Linux, nothing else. So, I need a small notebook that will run linux out-of-the-box. I thought of going to some bestbuy-like and try to boot a Ubuntu from a pendrive. If it runs, buy it. I don't know if this will work (will I be arrested for doing that?). But, first, I believe it's easier to ask you if you have some experience with this kind of hardware. I currently have the famous "Frying Pan", the eee900, as I already told you. I have no specific hardware preferences - as long as it does not fry eggs, I prefer to keep my cholesterol low. -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 19:12:13 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:12:13 -0500 Subject: Solid State HDs - worth the cost? Message-ID: <20100115191213.GA14183@yam.witteman.ca> My reading suggests that using a solid-state drive for the OS would result in a noticeable (perhaps significant) speed increase to a system. I have one user who has a SSD in his laptop, and it is not noticeably faster than a regular HD, but it is a laptop, and it is running Windows. So, I have one data point which suggests it's not worth doing. Anyone have any experience to share? -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 19:17:59 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:17:59 -0500 Subject: Solid State HDs - worth the cost? In-Reply-To: <20100115191213.GA14183-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100115191213.GA14183@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <4B50BF67.9080100@alteeve.com> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > My reading suggests that using a solid-state drive for the OS would > result in a noticeable (perhaps significant) speed increase to a > system. > > I have one user who has a SSD in his laptop, and it is not noticeably > faster than a regular HD, but it is a laptop, and it is running Windows. > So, I have one data point which suggests it's not worth doing. Anyone > have any experience to share? If you go for SSD, try to find an SLC drive. They tend to be a bit more expensive than MLC drives, but they have a significantly higher number of write cycles (ie: 10,000 -> 100,000 writes per cell). As for "will it be faster"; It depends on what you are doing with it. If you're frequently seeking across the disk (ie: a lot of random DB reads, etc), then yes, it will make a big difference. Applications will load quicker and files will save faster, but if you don't do that a lot or are not using huge files then it's kind of hard to justify. SLC = Single Layer Cell MLC = Multi Layer Cell Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 19:24:28 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:24:28 -0500 Subject: Notebooks on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100115192428.GA24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 05:11:44PM -0200, Renata Rocha wrote: > I'm planning to buy a small (about 12" or below) notebook when I > arrive in Canada. This is supposed to be a real notebook, not a > netbook (or at least a netbook with a very good processor, I need > something nice to be my main PC) > As it will be my main PC, it will run Linux, nothing else. So, I need > a small notebook that will run linux out-of-the-box. I thought of > going to some bestbuy-like and try to boot a Ubuntu from a pendrive. > If it runs, buy it. I don't know if this will work (will I be arrested > for doing that?). But, first, I believe it's easier to ask you if you > have some experience with this kind of hardware. > > I currently have the famous "Frying Pan", the eee900, as I already > told you. I have no specific hardware preferences - as long as it does > not fry eggs, I prefer to keep my cholesterol low. I would just check for a sale at lenovo.com. They are generally among the best for linux support. They often have sales and 10 to 25% off coupons available. I have learned to not buy computers at betsbuy/futureshop/etc. Machines aimed at generic consumers are junk. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 19:32:19 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:32:19 -0500 Subject: Solid State HDs - worth the cost? In-Reply-To: <4B50BF67.9080100-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100115191213.GA14183@yam.witteman.ca> <4B50BF67.9080100@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20100115193219.GB24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 02:17:59PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >> My reading suggests that using a solid-state drive for the OS would >> result in a noticeable (perhaps significant) speed increase to a >> system. >> >> I have one user who has a SSD in his laptop, and it is not noticeably >> faster than a regular HD, but it is a laptop, and it is running Windows. >> So, I have one data point which suggests it's not worth doing. Anyone >> have any experience to share? > > If you go for SSD, try to find an SLC drive. They tend to be a bit more > expensive than MLC drives, but they have a significantly higher number > of write cycles (ie: 10,000 -> 100,000 writes per cell). > > As for "will it be faster"; It depends on what you are doing with it. If > you're frequently seeking across the disk (ie: a lot of random DB reads, > etc), then yes, it will make a big difference. Applications will load > quicker and files will save faster, but if you don't do that a lot or > are not using huge files then it's kind of hard to justify. > > SLC = Single Layer Cell > MLC = Multi Layer Cell s/Layer/Level/g -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 20:45:44 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:45:44 -0200 Subject: Notebooks on Linux In-Reply-To: <20100115192428.GA24306-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100115192428.GA24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 17:24, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I would just check for a sale at lenovo.com. ?They are generally among > the best for linux support. > > They often have sales and 10 to 25% off coupons available. > > I have learned to not buy computers at betsbuy/futureshop/etc. > Machines aimed at generic consumers are junk. I've received a similar tip from a Mandriva Enginner. But 1500 on a real notebook is a bit too much for me. I was looking for something under 1000, with a non Atom/Celeron processor. -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 20:48:16 2010 From: vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jon VanAlten) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:48:16 -0500 Subject: Notebooks on Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20100115192428.GA24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <5390d2751001151248l3541231vf68a751bd1e512db@mail.gmail.com> > I've received a similar tip from a Mandriva Enginner. But 1500 on a > real notebook is a bit too much for me. I was looking for something > under 1000, with a non Atom/Celeron processor. > Thinkpad SL series? Haven't tried one yet, but I've heard they are decent build quality without the large sticker price of other Thinkpad lines. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 20:56:54 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:56:54 -0500 Subject: Notebooks on Linux In-Reply-To: <5390d2751001151248l3541231vf68a751bd1e512db-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20100115192428.GA24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <5390d2751001151248l3541231vf68a751bd1e512db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B50D696.6040708@utoronto.ca> On 01/15/2010 03:48 PM, Jon VanAlten wrote: >> I've received a similar tip from a Mandriva Enginner. But 1500 on a >> real notebook is a bit too much for me. I was looking for something >> under 1000, with a non Atom/Celeron processor. >> > > Thinkpad SL series? Haven't tried one yet, but I've heard they are > decent build quality without the large sticker price of other Thinkpad > lines. Go through visaperks.ca, the SL410 with 2.53GHz processor and 4GB ram is ~$850. If you call someone on the phone and are nice when ordering, you can stack coupons too, and would probably be able to get it for $750. Better prices will come along if you watch for sales too. The SL series are actually rather nice to work with too despite being the entry line in Thinkpads. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 20:58:17 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:58:17 -0200 Subject: Notebooks on Linux In-Reply-To: <5390d2751001151248l3541231vf68a751bd1e512db-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20100115192428.GA24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <5390d2751001151248l3541231vf68a751bd1e512db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 18:48, Jon VanAlten wrote: >> I've received a similar tip from a Mandriva Enginner. But 1500 on a >> real notebook is a bit too much for me. I was looking for something >> under 1000, with a non Atom/Celeron processor. >> > > Thinkpad SL series? ?Haven't tried one yet, but I've heard they are > decent build quality without the large sticker price of other Thinkpad > lines. I believe I want something that doesn't exist: a cheap, 12" notebook that works fine under linux. The Thinkpad SL series has only 14" or 15" notes. I really think these are really big/heavy for me (oh the poor little girl) -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 21:02:12 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:02:12 -0200 Subject: Notebooks on Linux In-Reply-To: <4B50D696.6040708-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100115192428.GA24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <5390d2751001151248l3541231vf68a751bd1e512db@mail.gmail.com> <4B50D696.6040708@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 18:56, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On 01/15/2010 03:48 PM, Jon VanAlten wrote: >>> >>> I've received a similar tip from a Mandriva Enginner. But 1500 on a >>> real notebook is a bit too much for me. I was looking for something >>> under 1000, with a non Atom/Celeron processor. >>> >> >> Thinkpad SL series? ?Haven't tried one yet, but I've heard they are >> decent build quality without the large sticker price of other Thinkpad >> lines. > > Go through visaperks.ca, the SL410 with 2.53GHz processor and 4GB ram is > ~$850. If you call someone on the phone and are nice when ordering, you can > stack coupons too, and would probably be able to get it for $750. Better > prices will come along if you watch for sales too. The SL series are > actually rather nice to work with too despite being the entry line in > Thinkpads. Excellent tip! Gonna try it! -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 21:03:26 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:03:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Notebooks on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <852954.40941.qm@web88101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Renata Rocha wrote: > I'm planning to buy a small (about 12" or below) notebook > when I > arrive in Canada. This is supposed to be a real notebook, > not a > netbook (or at least a netbook with a very good processor, > I need > something nice to be my main PC) > As it will be my main PC, it will run Linux, nothing else. > So, I need > a small notebook that will run linux out-of-the-box. I > thought of > going to some bestbuy-like and try to boot a Ubuntu from a > pendrive. > If it runs, buy it. I don't know if this will work (will I > be arrested > for doing that?). But, first, I believe it's easier to ask > you if you > have some experience with this kind of hardware. Have a look at MSI laptops. I have had one for two years and I am happy with it. I bought it without an OS and avoided the M$ tax. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 21:10:20 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:10:20 -0500 Subject: Notebooks on Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20100115192428.GA24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100115211020.GC24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 06:45:44PM -0200, Renata Rocha wrote: > I've received a similar tip from a Mandriva Enginner. But 1500 on a > real notebook is a bit too much for me. I was looking for something > under 1000, with a non Atom/Celeron processor. I paid $900 about 9 months ago for my Lenovo SL500. You can easily make a nice lenovo cusomized for under $1000. I got mine with a highres screen and nvidia video chip at the time, as well as the low power CPU (25W rather than 35W), all of which upped the price. The SL410 is 14", the SL510 is 15.6". If you want smaller, there is the X200 line which I think are 12", and the Y series which I think come in 13" although I may have that one mixed up with another one. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 21:12:00 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:12:00 -0500 Subject: Notebooks on Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20100115192428.GA24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <5390d2751001151248l3541231vf68a751bd1e512db@mail.gmail.com> <4B50D696.6040708@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20100115211200.GD24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 07:02:12PM -0200, Renata Rocha wrote: > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 18:56, Jamon Camisso wrote: > > Go through visaperks.ca, the SL410 with 2.53GHz processor and 4GB ram is > > ~$850. If you call someone on the phone and are nice when ordering, you can > > stack coupons too, and would probably be able to get it for $750. Better > > prices will come along if you watch for sales too. The SL series are > > actually rather nice to work with too despite being the entry line in > > Thinkpads. > > Excellent tip! Gonna try it! When I last looked, visaperks didn't make it any cheaper than the coupons one can often find on redflagdeals.com and seemed to reduce the available selection. I must admit I ordered by web, not by phone. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 21:25:24 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:25:24 -0500 Subject: Notebooks on Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20100115192428.GA24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <5390d2751001151248l3541231vf68a751bd1e512db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100115212524.GE24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 06:58:17PM -0200, Renata Rocha wrote: > I believe I want something that doesn't exist: a cheap, 12" notebook > that works fine under linux. Well my wife has an EEEpc 1008HA, which does actually work quite well with Linux (although when she got it in may the wired ethernet was broken in linux, although wifi worked. Now both should work). Being an atom based it is not fast by any means. > The Thinkpad SL series has only 14" or 15" notes. I really think these > are really big/heavy for me (oh the poor little girl) Certainly much heavier than the netbooks. What you apparently want is an ideapad U150 (11.6") or U350 (13.3"), which lenovo has, but in the US. They don't currently seem to offer them in canada (even though they describe them and mention they exist). http://shop.lenovo.com/us/notebooks/ideapad/u-series They are available with proper Core 2 Duo CPUs, so they are real notebooks. Example specs of one U150: http://www.laptopspec.net/2009/11/lenovo-ideapad-u150-690969u-blacksky-star/ Lenovo IdeaPad U150 Laptop Technical Details: * CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo SU7300 Processor ( 1.30GHz 800MHz 3MB ) * Main Memory: 4 GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1066MHz * Graphic system: Intel Integrated Graphics X4500 * Display: 11.6 ? HD WXGA LED 1366?768 * Hard Disk: 320GB 5400 * Webcamera: 1.3 Mega Pixels * Optical Disc Drive: 8x Dual Format DVD?R/?RW + 16x CD-R/RW Combo Drive * Wireless Type: Intel Wireless Wi-Fi Link 5100 * Bluetooth: Bluetooth Version 2.1 + EDR * I/O Port: 2 USB, 1 HDMI, 1 VGA, 1 eSATA, 1 LAN * Fingerprint: Yes * Card Reader: 7 in 1 * Operating System: Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 * Battery: 6 Cell Lithium-Ion * Weight: 3.33 pounds (1.5 kg) $750 US. That is a rather nice feature set. The intel 5100 wifi works very well in linux. DVD writer in such a small machine is impresive. HDMI is nice too in addition to VGA so you can do DVI connections. Now if only they would sell it in Canada (bastards). I wonder if they don't have a "french" version yet, and hence are not allowed to sell it or something stupid like that. Or maybe they just don't want to. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 21:42:28 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:42:28 -0200 Subject: Notebooks on Linux In-Reply-To: <20100115212524.GE24306-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100115192428.GA24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <5390d2751001151248l3541231vf68a751bd1e512db@mail.gmail.com> <20100115212524.GE24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 19:25, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Certainly much heavier than the netbooks. Almost 10% of my weight :) > What you apparently want is an ideapad U150 (11.6") or U350 (13.3"), > which lenovo has, but in the US. ?They don't currently seem to offer > them in canada (even though they describe them and mention they exist). > > http://shop.lenovo.com/us/notebooks/ideapad/u-series Looks really nice > They are available with proper Core 2 Duo CPUs, so they are real > notebooks. > > Example specs of one U150: > http://www.laptopspec.net/2009/11/lenovo-ideapad-u150-690969u-blacksky-star/ > Lenovo IdeaPad U150 Laptop Technical Details: > > Now if only they would sell it in Canada (bastards). ?I wonder if they > don't have a "french" version yet, and hence are not allowed to sell it > or something stupid like that. ?Or maybe they just don't want to. Wouldn't it be ok to ship to someone in the US and bring to Canada? Or just scream on the phone "I WANT IT DELIVERED TO ME!!! IM SO CLOSE!" -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 21:45:23 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:45:23 -0500 Subject: Notebooks on Linux In-Reply-To: <20100115212524.GE24306-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100115192428.GA24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <5390d2751001151248l3541231vf68a751bd1e512db@mail.gmail.com> <20100115212524.GE24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100115214523.GA16303@yam.witteman.ca> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 04:25:24PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >Now if only they would sell it in Canada (bastards). I wonder if they >don't have a "french" version yet, and hence are not allowed to sell it >or something stupid like that. Or maybe they just don't want to. Looks like you can get them in Canada: http://www.csctoronto.com/store/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=lenovo+ideapad&x=0&y=0 There is less info here, but it claims the S series Ideabook for $329: http://www.uoftbookstore.com/online/CShopCRC.ihtml These are within walking distance of work, so I knew I had seen them. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 21:54:26 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:54:26 -0500 Subject: Notebooks on Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20100115192428.GA24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <5390d2751001151248l3541231vf68a751bd1e512db@mail.gmail.com> <20100115212524.GE24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100115215426.GF24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 07:42:28PM -0200, Renata Rocha wrote: > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 19:25, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > > Certainly much heavier than the netbooks. > > Almost 10% of my weight :) 5.5 pounds better not be 10% of your weight. > > What you apparently want is an ideapad U150 (11.6") or U350 (13.3"), > > which lenovo has, but in the US. ?They don't currently seem to offer > > them in canada (even though they describe them and mention they exist). > > > > http://shop.lenovo.com/us/notebooks/ideapad/u-series > > Looks really nice > > > They are available with proper Core 2 Duo CPUs, so they are real > > notebooks. > > > > Example specs of one U150: > > http://www.laptopspec.net/2009/11/lenovo-ideapad-u150-690969u-blacksky-star/ > > Lenovo IdeaPad U150 Laptop Technical Details: > > > > Now if only they would sell it in Canada (bastards). ?I wonder if they > > don't have a "french" version yet, and hence are not allowed to sell it > > or something stupid like that. ?Or maybe they just don't want to. > > Wouldn't it be ok to ship to someone in the US and bring to Canada? I imagine so. You would probably have to pay tax on it at the border, but you would pay that if you ordered it from lenovo canada too. > Or just scream on the phone "I WANT IT DELIVERED TO ME!!! IM SO CLOSE!" I wonder what happens if you call lenovo canada and ask about it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 21:57:57 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:57:57 -0500 Subject: Notebooks on Linux In-Reply-To: <20100115214523.GA16303-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100115192428.GA24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <5390d2751001151248l3541231vf68a751bd1e512db@mail.gmail.com> <20100115212524.GE24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100115214523.GA16303@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20100115215757.GG24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 04:45:23PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 04:25:24PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > >Now if only they would sell it in Canada (bastards). I wonder if they > >don't have a "french" version yet, and hence are not allowed to sell it > >or something stupid like that. Or maybe they just don't want to. > > Looks like you can get them in Canada: > > http://www.csctoronto.com/store/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=lenovo+ideapad&x=0&y=0 An S10 is a netbook with a crappy slow atom. The ideapad U150 has a Core 2 Duo (not a fast one, but easily 3 times the speed of the atom) with 4GB ram (not 1GB), a dvd writer, twice the disk, full 64bit windows (not stripped down starter edition) (for those that care to have windows), and a 1366x768 rather than 1024x600 screen. The X4500 is also a much newer video chip from intel than the ancient 945GSE. > There is less info here, but it claims the S series Ideabook for $329: > > http://www.uoftbookstore.com/online/CShopCRC.ihtml > > These are within walking distance of work, so I knew I had seen them. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 22:47:13 2010 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:47:13 -0500 Subject: Notebooks on Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20100115192428.GA24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <5390d2751001151248l3541231vf68a751bd1e512db@mail.gmail.com> <20100115212524.GE24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B50F071.8030208@golden.net> Renata Rocha wrote: > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 19:25, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > >> Certainly much heavier than the netbooks. >> > > Almost 10% of my weight :) > > >> What you apparently want is an ideapad U150 (11.6") or U350 (13.3"), >> which lenovo has, but in the US. They don't currently seem to offer >> them in canada (even though they describe them and mention they exist). >> >> http://shop.lenovo.com/us/notebooks/ideapad/u-series >> > > Looks really nice > > >> They are available with proper Core 2 Duo CPUs, so they are real >> notebooks. >> >> Example specs of one U150: >> http://www.laptopspec.net/2009/11/lenovo-ideapad-u150-690969u-blacksky-star/ >> Lenovo IdeaPad U150 Laptop Technical Details: >> >> Now if only they would sell it in Canada (bastards). I wonder if they >> don't have a "french" version yet, and hence are not allowed to sell it >> or something stupid like that. Or maybe they just don't want to. >> > > Wouldn't it be ok to ship to someone in the US and bring to Canada? > > Or just scream on the phone "I WANT IT DELIVERED TO ME!!! IM SO CLOSE!" > > > Not sure if this fits your bill. Sorry too lazy to read the full thread. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4824202&Sku=T71-15603 John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 15 23:01:33 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:01:33 -0500 Subject: Solid State HDs - worth the cost? In-Reply-To: <20100115191213.GA14183-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100115191213.GA14183@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20100115180133.f2580dd0.tleslie@tcn.net> i have the top of the line intel 32gb one, it does 220mb / second r/w approx. and i belive is 1M+ writes cycles. it was about 550$ and is about 450 now (as i have had it for about a year) for loading openoffice, yes its way faster, and booting is fast, about 15 seconds faster. having said all this, i can say that the 550$ would have been better spent on ram, i.e. buy another 8gb or ram, and over all it would have been a better improvement for the system, however, since the drive can last for ages , .... i am going to wait until the price drops more, and they are sata3 based (or whatever that new sata standard is) then attach 4-8 of them to a 3ware card on raid 6, and then we're talking, but for now, the money is better spent (i think) on other improvements, unless you have popular tasks that work within 32 gb (or 64) that have alot of seeks, and you value benifit in that. tl On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:12:13 -0500 "William O'Higgins Witteman" wrote: > My reading suggests that using a solid-state drive for the OS would > result in a noticeable (perhaps significant) speed increase to a > system. > > I have one user who has a SSD in his laptop, and it is not noticeably > faster than a regular HD, but it is a laptop, and it is running Windows. > So, I have one data point which suggests it's not worth doing. Anyone > have any experience to share? > -- > > yours, > > William > > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 16 00:01:04 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:01:04 -0500 Subject: Solid State HDs - worth the cost? In-Reply-To: <20100115180133.f2580dd0.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100115191213.GA14183@yam.witteman.ca> <20100115180133.f2580dd0.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <4B5101C0.8000904@utoronto.ca> On 01/15/2010 06:01 PM, ted leslie wrote: > i have the top of the line intel 32gb one, it does 220mb / second r/w approx. > and i belive is 1M+ writes cycles. > > it was about 550$ and is about 450 now (as i have had it for about a year) > > for loading openoffice, yes its way faster, and booting is fast, > about 15 seconds faster. > > having said all this, i can say that the 550$ would have been better > spent on ram, i.e. buy another 8gb or ram, and over all it would > have been a better improvement for the system, however, > since the drive can last for ages , .... > i am going to wait until the price drops more, and they are > sata3 based (or whatever that new sata standard is) > then attach 4-8 of them to a 3ware card on raid 6, > and then we're talking, > but for now, the money is better spent (i think) on other improvements, > unless you have popular tasks that work within 32 gb (or 64) that > have alot of seeks, and you value benifit in that. Intel certainly is at the top of the pile for SSDs. That said, I have a 60GB drive with an Indilinx controller (that's important in the non-Intel/consumer range) for my boot and root partitions and I'll never go back to SATA. I still store data like music and movies etc. on an internal sata raid1 array, but read and seek times aren't an issue there so much. Interestingly, costs for good performing SSDs seem to all be consistently in the $3-4/GB range for sizes over 32GB. That must be related to the actual cost of the flash memory chips themselves. In terms of desktop use, I think and SSD does make the most substantial perceived performance improvement above and beyond any other upgrade. There's no sitting around waiting for a program to load or nearly as long for a machine to boot. I do agree that more memory never hurts too. My $0.02 Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 16 00:50:44 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:50:44 -0200 Subject: Notebooks on Linux In-Reply-To: <20100115215426.GF24306-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100115192428.GA24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <5390d2751001151248l3541231vf68a751bd1e512db@mail.gmail.com> <20100115212524.GE24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100115215426.GF24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 19:54, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > 5.5 pounds better not be 10% of your weight. You must get used to my Maria Callas dramatic style. (It's more like 5,8% of my weight, if you want to be more specific) You know, I thought about delivering it in USA and bringing it to Canada because prices in Brazil are so awfully high it is a common thing - you buy it abroad, deliver in the US, pay the taxes and when it arrives at your home, it is still half the price in Brazilian shops. So, I was thinking with a Brazilian mind. > I wonder what happens if you call lenovo canada and ask about it. Good question. > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 16 01:29:56 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:29:56 -0500 Subject: Solid State HDs - worth the cost? In-Reply-To: <4B5101C0.8000904-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100115191213.GA14183@yam.witteman.ca> <20100115180133.f2580dd0.tleslie@tcn.net> <4B5101C0.8000904@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <7c50d3571001151729l158426bbid76d2bd1ae5aa10f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 19:01, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Intel certainly is at the top of the pile for SSDs. That said, I have a 60GB > drive with an Indilinx controller (that's important in the > non-Intel/consumer range) for my boot and root partitions and I'll never go > back to SATA. > > I still store data like music and movies etc. on an internal sata raid1 > array, but read and seek times aren't an issue there so much. > > Interestingly, costs for good performing SSDs seem to all be consistently in > the $3-4/GB range for sizes over 32GB. That must be related to the actual > cost of the flash memory chips themselves. > > In terms of desktop use, I think and SSD does make the most substantial > perceived performance improvement above and beyond any other upgrade. > There's no sitting around waiting for a program to load or nearly as long > for a machine to boot. I do agree that more memory never hurts too. > > My $0.02 > > Jamon SSDs still use the SATA interface. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 16 21:20:27 2010 From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:20:27 -0500 Subject: Notebooks on Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20100115192428.GA24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <5390d2751001151248l3541231vf68a751bd1e512db@mail.gmail.com> <20100115212524.GE24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100115215426.GF24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Linux Foundation is offering hardware discounts to members on HP, Dell and Lenovo machines. http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/10/linux-foundation-aims-to-boost-membership-with-new-perks.ars -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 17 19:21:13 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:21:13 -0500 Subject: Pidgin In-Reply-To: <668133.90218.qm-iJHc9IZE3hf5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001150642o30f9f371g429309e531ea02db@mail.gmail.com> <668133.90218.qm@web59503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001171121w687803a0mc881239e10c3c4c2@mail.gmail.com> Just certain versions of pidgin having issues with MSN. (notably in Ubuntu 9.04). For myself, I was noting that they've had "support" for the QQ (Chinese chat client) network for years, but it's never actually worked so I wonder that they don't just remove it. On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Abidel Bassie-Cripps wrote: > Sorry Guys! > > I missed something! What is wrong with Pidgin? And you left out Empathy. > I'm still using Pidgin and on Ubuntu 8.04, 9.04 & 9.10 > > Abby > > --- On *Fri, 1/15/10, Tyler Aviss * wrote: > > > From: Tyler Aviss > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Pidgin > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:42 AM > > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:37 AM, G. Matthew Rice > > wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 16:14 -0500, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > >> What protocol are you trying to connect to? > > > > My guess is MSN. I had to go to pidgin's home for the latest version. > > I'm on ubuntu 8.04 on my desktop and they didn't seem to consider xthe > > MSN protocol change worthy of an update. > > > > HTH, > > --matt > > > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Devon Aitken > > wrote: > >> > My siblings used to use gaim with Linux. I'm a new Linux user and when > I > >> > installed with sudo apt-get install gaim it came up as Pidgin. When I > tried > >> > to use it it said that the server does not support our protocol. Is > there > >> > anyway around this? > >> > -- > >> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > They've had an option for QQ (Chinese ICQ-type program which is *very* > popular overseas) for a long tmie, but I don't think I've gotten it to > work in the last 1-2 years as it uses outdated protocols. I'm not sure > why they don't just remove the older stuff that doesn't work - at > least until it's fixed - but in the meantime I suppose the option is > to use aMSN or possibly "kopete" for MSN, and maybe Eva for QQ, etc. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > ------------------------------ > Looking for the perfect gift?* Give the gift of Flickr!* -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (778) 890-0942 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 18 00:36:02 2010 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:36:02 -0500 Subject: OT Linuxcaffe Craigslist Missed Connection In-Reply-To: <4B53A5A3.3090800-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B53974B.80305@utoronto.ca> <4fc65a521001171512p4685db44n7cc6fe2b90e43dd5@mail.gmail.com> <4B53A5A3.3090800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B53ACF2.3020509@linuxcaffe.ca> Mike Kallies wrote: > > This is sooo cute :-) Isn't it ? Today was very hectic, and the place was rife with cuties ! > > Dave! Print it and post it on the corkboard! I'm gonna do it ! Good idea ! djp > > This could be the first time that Missed Connections ever stood a chance > of working! Wouldn't be the first relationship sparked here ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-r35aSzp7v8jQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 18 00:38:48 2010 From: daniel-r35aSzp7v8jQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:38:48 -0500 Subject: Notebooks on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Renata Rocha wrote: > Hello, > > I'm planning to buy a small (about 12" or below) notebook when I > arrive in Canada. This is supposed to be a real notebook, not a > netbook (or at least a netbook with a very good processor, I need > something nice to be my main PC) Hi Renata... I don't own one... but this 11.6" Acer AS1410 laptop looks interesting and I think a pretty good deal at $450US: http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-AS1410-2990-11-6-Inch-Notebook/dp/B0031ESJ3W/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1263774255&sr=8-11 Note that this particular model has the Intel dual-core su2300... which are becoming quite hard to find. Most of the AS1410 models use the single core su3500. There are some reviews of earlier models floating around the net and I think the hardware should be well-supported under Linux. Oh... and I *do* own a EEE 900... same as you. :-) Daniel -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 18 01:22:31 2010 From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:22:31 -0500 Subject: OT Linuxcaffe Craigslist Missed Connection In-Reply-To: <4B53ACF2.3020509-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B53974B.80305@utoronto.ca> <4fc65a521001171512p4685db44n7cc6fe2b90e43dd5@mail.gmail.com> <4B53A5A3.3090800@gmail.com> <4B53ACF2.3020509@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 7:36 PM, David J Patrick wrote: > Mike Kallies wrote: >> >> This is sooo cute :-) > > Isn't it ? > Today was very hectic, and the place was rife with cuties ! >> >> Dave! ?Print it and post it on the corkboard! > > I'm gonna do it ! Good idea ! > djp >> >> This could be the first time that Missed Connections ever stood a chance >> of working! > > Wouldn't be the first relationship sparked here ! > djp Dave, Brilliant viral marketing there. Nobody will suspect that you planted the CL posting. Is the window now full of hopeful TLUGers? ;-) Best regards, Richard P.S. yes, I'm kidding and also think this is charming. Good luck to the shy. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 18 01:49:13 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:49:13 -0500 Subject: OT Linuxcaffe Craigslist Missed Connection In-Reply-To: References: <4B53974B.80305@utoronto.ca> <4fc65a521001171512p4685db44n7cc6fe2b90e43dd5@mail.gmail.com> <4B53A5A3.3090800@gmail.com> <4B53ACF2.3020509@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <4B53BE19.30905@utoronto.ca> On 17/01/10 08:22 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > Dave, > > Brilliant viral marketing there. Nobody will suspect that you planted > the CL posting. > > Is the window now full of hopeful TLUGers? ;-) > > Best regards, > Richard > > P.S. yes, I'm kidding and also think this is charming. Good luck to the shy. Haha, the day the linuxcaffe astroturfs is the day they stop serving vegetarian or vegan options for food :p Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 18 05:27:58 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:27:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT Linuxcaffe Craigslist Missed Connection In-Reply-To: <4B53ACF2.3020509-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B53974B.80305@utoronto.ca> <4fc65a521001171512p4685db44n7cc6fe2b90e43dd5@mail.gmail.com> <4B53A5A3.3090800@gmail.com> <4B53ACF2.3020509@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Jan 2010, David J Patrick wrote: > Today was very hectic, and the place was rife with cuties ! Wow sounds like a hard job you've got their David ;) > Wouldn't be the first relationship sparked here ! Anyone we (TLUG) know? :) Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org IRC: Solver Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 18 16:25:37 2010 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:25:37 +0000 Subject: Attack On Google & Adobe Message-ID: http://messagent.itworldcanada.com/optiext/optiextension.dll?ID=w4vw30jMiqHwa9d9VIFf91NheSUxL60ccufLLm0w5CnYP7f2I I guess my first question should be: how to break up a long url properly? I thought I heard MS admitting to being at fault, but does anyone know if the attack on Google was strictly a MS Windows problem or would it also have been an issue with Linux or Mac OSX? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 18 16:44:54 2010 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:44:54 -0500 Subject: Attack On Google & Adobe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99a6c38f1001180844t5c6e179dm7b702cb3552d07b1@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:25 AM, wrote: > http://messagent.itworldcanada.com/optiext/optiextension.dll?ID=w4vw30jMiqHwa9d9VIFf91NheSUxL60ccufLLm0w5CnYP7f2I > > I guess my first question should be: how to break up a long url properly? Often I'll just list the full url and provide a shortened URL nearby (see below). > I thought I heard MS admitting to being at fault, but does anyone know if > the attack on Google was strictly a MS Windows problem or would it also have > been an issue with Linux or Mac OSX? Wired's ThreatLevel did a piece on it a few days ago; it's been updated with a link to an advisory from Microsoft that describes affected platforms: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/01/hack-of-adob/ or http://bit.ly/8RoyUv http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/979352.mspx or http://bit.ly/8oURnJ Also, ReadWriteWeb did an article outlining the position of the German Government: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/german_governments_warns_citizens_not_to_use_internet_explorer.php or http://bit.ly/76XgsL -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ @psema4 Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 18 16:46:14 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:46:14 -0500 Subject: Attack On Google & Adobe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c50d3571001180846t38543707x2ca56e7f5145c5e5@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:25, wrote: > http://messagent.itworldcanada.com/optiext/optiextension.dll?ID=w4vw30jMiqHwa9d9VIFf91NheSUxL60ccufLLm0w5CnYP7f2I > > I guess my first question should be: how to break up a long url properly? > > I thought I heard MS admitting to being at fault, but does anyone know if > the attack on Google was strictly a MS Windows problem or would it also have > been an issue with Linux or Mac OSX? > You can always use bit.ly: http://bit.ly/7uNlx2 -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 18 17:00:10 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:00:10 -0500 Subject: Attack On Google & Adobe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B54939A.3080801@rogers.com> john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > http://messagent.itworldcanada.com/optiext/optiextension.dll?ID=w4vw30jMiqHwa9d9VIFf91NheSUxL60ccufLLm0w5CnYP7f2I > > I guess my first question should be: how to break up a long url properly? > > I thought I heard MS admitting to being at fault, but does anyone know > if the attack on Google was strictly a MS Windows problem or would it > also have been an issue with Linux or Mac OSX? To keep a URL intact in an email, just surround it with < >. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 18 17:05:10 2010 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:05:10 -0500 Subject: Attack On Google & Adobe In-Reply-To: <4B54939A.3080801-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B54939A.3080801@rogers.com> Message-ID: <92ee967a1001180905n7411c932rd960f5042526f421@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:00 PM, James Knott wrote: ... > To keep a URL intact in an email, just surround it with < >. Yep, appendix "E" http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2396.txt I haven't done formal testing over various clients, but it's always worked fine for me when sending long URLs to people who weren't very geeky. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 18 18:31:20 2010 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:31:20 +0000 Subject: Attack On Google & Adobe In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f1001180844t5c6e179dm7b702cb3552d07b1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: ,<99a6c38f1001180844t5c6e179dm7b702cb3552d07b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The linked articles make the picture much clearer. It's amazing how ITWorldCanada can write a lengthy article about this attack and not even mention Microsoft or IE. > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:44:54 -0500 > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Attack On Google & Adobe > From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:25 AM, wrote: > > http://messagent.itworldcanada.com/optiext/optiextension.dll?ID=w4vw30jMiqHwa9d9VIFf91NheSUxL60ccufLLm0w5CnYP7f2I > > > > I guess my first question should be: how to break up a long url properly? > > Often I'll just list the full url and provide a shortened URL nearby > (see below). > > > I thought I heard MS admitting to being at fault, but does anyone know if > > the attack on Google was strictly a MS Windows problem or would it also have > > been an issue with Linux or Mac OSX? > > Wired's ThreatLevel did a piece on it a few days ago; it's been > updated with a link to an advisory from Microsoft that describes > affected platforms: > > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/01/hack-of-adob/ > or http://bit.ly/8RoyUv > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/979352.mspx > or http://bit.ly/8oURnJ > > Also, ReadWriteWeb did an article outlining the position of the German > Government: > > http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/german_governments_warns_citizens_not_to_use_internet_explorer.php > or http://bit.ly/76XgsL > > -- > Scott Elcomb > http://www.psema4.com/ @psema4 > > Member of the Pirate Party of Canada > http://www.pirateparty.ca/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 19 15:57:08 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:57:08 -0500 Subject: A Guitar Powered By Linux Message-ID: <7c50d3571001190757wc4f8edaved6181c2aeff15fd@mail.gmail.com> You've got to see it to believe it, here's a little excertp: "I am obsessed with digital guitar. But I also love electric guitar, and I have learned what it's good at and what it's capable of. Some of its most important qualities and characteristics stem from the very fact that the electric guitar is made out of wood and strings. A guitar string is "beautiful" - because the sound generated comes from the very vibration of the string, interfering with a magnetic flux and inducing an electric voltage, which is then amplified. Why would you want to emulate that? It is perfection. It is pure nature. It is in the analog domain. I did not intend the Misa digital guitar to replicate a traditional guitar." http://www.misadigital.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2eiP12hQQY -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 19 21:06:00 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:06:00 -0800 Subject: A Guitar Powered By Linux In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571001190757wc4f8edaved6181c2aeff15fd-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571001190757wc4f8edaved6181c2aeff15fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001191306r77df8445x1f9e3a1549f205b2@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > You've got to see it to believe it, here's a little excertp: > > "I ?am obsessed with digital guitar. But I also love electric guitar, > and I have learned what it's good at and what it's capable of. Some of > its most important qualities and characteristics stem from the very > fact that the electric guitar is made out of wood and strings. A > guitar string is "beautiful" - because the sound generated comes from > the very vibration of the string, interfering with a magnetic flux and > inducing an electric voltage, which is then amplified. Why would you > want to emulate that? It is perfection. It is pure nature. It is in > the analog domain. I did not intend the Misa digital guitar to > replicate a traditional guitar." > > http://www.misadigital.com/ > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2eiP12hQQY > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > So does the digitizer have something to "glow" where touched or is that just how the light reflects when his fingers are on it? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 19 21:25:44 2010 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:25:44 -0500 Subject: A Guitar Powered By Linux In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001191306r77df8445x1f9e3a1549f205b2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571001190757wc4f8edaved6181c2aeff15fd@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1001191306r77df8445x1f9e3a1549f205b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B562358.10000@ss.org> On 01/19/2010 04:06 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > >> You've got to see it to believe it, here's a little excertp: >> >> "I am obsessed with digital guitar. But I also love electric guitar, >> and I have learned what it's good at and what it's capable of. Some of >> its most important qualities and characteristics stem from the very >> fact that the electric guitar is made out of wood and strings. A >> guitar string is "beautiful" - because the sound generated comes from >> the very vibration of the string, interfering with a magnetic flux and >> inducing an electric voltage, which is then amplified. Why would you >> want to emulate that? It is perfection. It is pure nature. It is in >> the analog domain. I did not intend the Misa digital guitar to >> replicate a traditional guitar." >> >> http://www.misadigital.com/ >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2eiP12hQQY >> >> -- >> Sincerely, >> >> Michael Lauzon >> >> > So does the digitizer have something to "glow" where touched or is > that just how the light reflects when his fingers are on it? > > The About page indicates it's a touch screen. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 19 21:15:39 2010 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:15:39 +0300 Subject: A Guitar Powered By Linux In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001191306r77df8445x1f9e3a1549f205b2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571001190757wc4f8edaved6181c2aeff15fd@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1001191306r77df8445x1f9e3a1549f205b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5620FB.3090906@gmail.com> >> because the sound generated comes from >> the very vibration of the string, interfering with a magnetic flux and >> inducing an electric voltage I guess that it is very important to properly convert string vibration into electrical voltage. That could be a sort of engineering art in itself. Is there a book on that? Or is that rather like with Stradivarius that no one knows nothing? I actually could do modeling of devices like these using a state of art multi-thousand $$ programming beast that my university just bought for our small research group. ;) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 20 13:36:42 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:36:42 -0500 Subject: Open-PC: From the community, for the community Message-ID: <7c50d3571001200536m110ec41m575c964bc5f35083@mail.gmail.com> Anyone know about this, it's a PC that only uses free software, and Linux is at the heart of it: http://open-pc.com/ -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 20 15:07:16 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:07:16 -0500 Subject: Open-PC: From the community, for the community In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571001200536m110ec41m575c964bc5f35083-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571001200536m110ec41m575c964bc5f35083@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/20/10, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Anyone know about this, it's a PC that only uses free software, and > Linux is at the heart of it: > > http://open-pc.com/ I saw the Slashdot story about the above: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/01/20/0020246/100-Free-Software-Compatible-PC-Launches I am unimpressed with the machine, because: - a 160 GB hard disk in an era when 1 TB drives are under $100 and 1.5 TB drives are under $130... - I love expansion slots, so for anything other than MythTV client boxes I have avoided microATX motherboards (which this box has). - At $529 (Cdn.) (359 Euros at current exchange rate) you can build a FAR better box (how ever you want to measure things) from the clone shops at College / Spadina than what these folks are offering. Bottom line, interesting idea, but part of what turned me from Microsoft software was getting more bang for the the buck, not less. This box is too small, limited and expensive to be of interest. Colin McGregor > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 20 15:10:39 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:10:39 -0500 Subject: Open-PC: From the community, for the community In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3571001200536m110ec41m575c964bc5f35083@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3571001200710w437dd293gb573280ff963679e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:07, Colin McGregor wrote: > I saw the Slashdot story about the above: > > http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/01/20/0020246/100-Free-Software-Compatible-PC-Launches > > I am unimpressed with the machine, because: > > - a 160 GB hard disk in an era when 1 TB drives are under $100 and 1.5 > TB drives are under $130... > - I love expansion slots, so for anything other than MythTV client > boxes I have avoided microATX motherboards (which this box has). > - At $529 (Cdn.) (359 Euros at current exchange rate) you can build a > FAR better box (how ever you want to measure things) from the clone > shops at College / Spadina than what these folks are offering. > > Bottom line, interesting idea, but part of what turned me from > Microsoft software was getting more bang for the the buck, not less. > This box is too small, limited and expensive to be of interest. > > Colin McGregor > Very off-topic, but did you get my email about the DVD you're freecycling? -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 20 16:23:14 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:23:14 -0500 Subject: Open-PC: From the community, for the community In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3571001200536m110ec41m575c964bc5f35083@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100120162314.GI24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:07:16AM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > On 1/20/10, Michael Lauzon wrote: > > Anyone know about this, it's a PC that only uses free software, and > > Linux is at the heart of it: > > > > http://open-pc.com/ > > I saw the Slashdot story about the above: > > http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/01/20/0020246/100-Free-Software-Compatible-PC-Launches > > I am unimpressed with the machine, because: > > - a 160 GB hard disk in an era when 1 TB drives are under $100 and 1.5 > TB drives are under $130... > - I love expansion slots, so for anything other than MythTV client > boxes I have avoided microATX motherboards (which this box has). > - At $529 (Cdn.) (359 Euros at current exchange rate) you can build a > FAR better box (how ever you want to measure things) from the clone > shops at College / Spadina than what these folks are offering. > > Bottom line, interesting idea, but part of what turned me from > Microsoft software was getting more bang for the the buck, not less. > This box is too small, limited and expensive to be of interest. Well for a tiny formfactor, the price isn't too crazy, and when using 2.5" drives, 1TB drives are not at option. On the other hand, I fail to see how this thing is particularly special. They appear to have aimed for open source driver supported hardware. Well that's not hard and applies to lots of machines. Where is the Coreboot bios with source code? They didn't mention anything about that in the specs. Without that, I don't consider it fully open hardware. In fact I consider it a joke. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 21 16:10:37 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:10:37 -0800 Subject: mini-boards/boxes (was Re:Open-PC: From the community, for the community) Message-ID: <3a97ef1001210810s79194452u475cd1aee4e613ef@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:07 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > On 1/20/10, Michael Lauzon wrote: >> Anyone know about this, it's a PC that only uses free software, and >> Linux is at the heart of it: >> >> http://open-pc.com/ > > I saw the Slashdot story about the above: > > http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/01/20/0020246/100-Free-Software-Compatible-PC-Launches > > I am unimpressed with the machine, because: > > - a 160 GB hard disk in an era when 1 TB drives are under $100 and 1.5 > TB drives are under $130... > - I love expansion slots, so for anything other than MythTV client > boxes I have avoided microATX motherboards (which this box has). > - At $529 (Cdn.) (359 Euros at current exchange rate) you can build a > FAR better box (how ever you want to measure things) from the clone > shops at College / Spadina than what these folks are offering. > > Bottom line, interesting idea, but part of what turned me from > Microsoft software was getting more bang for the the buck, not less. > This box is too small, limited and expensive to be of interest. > > Colin McGregor > >> -- >> Sincerely, >> >> Michael Lauzon >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > What do you use expansion slots for nowadays? For myself, I like to have at least *one*, but since most things are integrated (or use USB) these days more than that I haven't found overly necessary. Having one slot makes it at least capable of an extra video/sound card or maybe a TV-tuner, but most times the onboard is sufficient (and the sound/tv can be used /w a USB adaptor) I remember back in the day I had a nice Epia-M10000 board that came with a PCMCIA and flashcard slot at the back, which was quite nice. I think many modern mini-boards tend to have a miniPCI slot or something of the like? For a general-purpose mini-board, this one looked quite nice to me, and I've seen the IonX-A-U on ebay etc for under $200. http://www.mini-itx.com/reviews/zotac-ion/default.asp?page=2 Features: Dual-core atom CPU 1.6Ghz, 1M cache GeForce 9400M-series GPU /w DVI/VGA dual-link HDMI Gig ethernet 1xMiniPCI slot Integrated HDA 5.1 sound with SPDIF (TOSLINK+optical) 2 memory slots DC power input (19V) 802.11n /w Integrated wifi antenna mount (though I think the wifi card takes up the mini-PCI slot) 6xUSB rear connectors, + 2 more 9-pin connectors (for 2x2ports) 3xSATA + 1xeSATA I've seen variations with slightly different RAM combinatoins (some only take 4GB/6400, some take 8GB DDR2-800) as well as 7.1HDA, etc. All in 17x17cm So around $200 for the board+integrated (assuming the ebay prices, $150+shipping/exchange), throw in a drive and some RAM, a SFF case... and you can still have a nice linux-happy PC for under $500. If one is going for more power, I've built some nice shuttle machines for $500'ish. The work fine with 'nix. Most stuff does. So yeah, what's makes this a linux PC? That it has linux pre-installed. Walmart sold those, and there are plenty of other places that do too. None of the hardware seems very good, and almost anyone who uses 'nix as a primary OS could probably whip up something better easily enough. Lame. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 21 16:17:20 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:17:20 -0800 Subject: HDTV @ 1080p, full-screen video Message-ID: <3a97ef1001210817j4358fb7ejc3e10070c0bc9958@mail.gmail.com> I've got a box that I'm currently trying to diagose some "issues" with. Currently it's running Ubuntu 9.10, has a GeForce (9200 I believe) card with DVI out, and has issues playing video. I'm using the NVidia binary-blob drivers. If I reduce the resolution to 1300x800 (or whatever the exact mode is), the video plays smoothly. At full HD, the sound desyncs and there's a fair bit of stuttering. At full res the CPU usage seems a bit high, but it isn't pegged. I had a similar rig that used HDMI out, and older GeForce (6600) card, and didn't experience these issues. Anyone know of any issues with recent Xorg/Ubuntu and high-def video? I can't remember if this box had HDMI, but it does have VGA, so I think perhaps in the meantime I'll test that. In windows it also supports audio-over-DVI but I've yet to attempt that in 'nix. I had another machine with an Intel chipset that similar issues, but I think that was only 1080i and I can't remember what exactly resolved it but it "just started working" eventually. -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (778) 890-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 21 17:37:13 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:37:13 -0800 Subject: Min-ITX boards, dual LAN/core Message-ID: <3a97ef1001210937k4ed85abft6567abff43d565cc@mail.gmail.com> Hmm, lots of questions on my mind today. My current "server" is running on a mini-ITX "jetway" botherboard with dual gigabit LAN cards and a C7 (1.5Ghz) CPU. I would like to find something with a decent SFF low-draw dual-core CPU, like a lot of the dual-core atom boards. Unfortunately I haven't yet found one of these that also has the dual 1GB NIC's. Anyone seen a dual-atom or dual-C7 (if such a beast exist) that also has two NIC's? Preferably at least one NIC being gig-E, of course. - TJA -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 21 19:56:26 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:56:26 -0500 Subject: HDTV @ 1080p, full-screen video In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001210817j4358fb7ejc3e10070c0bc9958-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001210817j4358fb7ejc3e10070c0bc9958@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100121195626.GJ24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 08:17:20AM -0800, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I've got a box that I'm currently trying to diagose some "issues" with. > Currently it's running Ubuntu 9.10, has a GeForce (9200 I believe) > card with DVI out, and has issues playing video. I'm using the NVidia > binary-blob drivers. > > If I reduce the resolution to 1300x800 (or whatever the exact mode > is), the video plays smoothly. At full HD, the sound desyncs and > there's a fair bit of stuttering. At full res the CPU usage seems a > bit high, but it isn't pegged. > > I had a similar rig that used HDMI out, and older GeForce (6600) card, > and didn't experience these issues. Anyone know of any issues with > recent Xorg/Ubuntu and high-def video? > > I can't remember if this box had HDMI, but it does have VGA, so I > think perhaps in the meantime I'll test that. In windows it also > supports audio-over-DVI but I've yet to attempt that in 'nix. > > I had another machine with an Intel chipset that similar issues, but I > think that was only 1080i and I can't remember what exactly resolved > it but it "just started working" eventually. What player are you using? Does the player use XvMC? Does it use libvdpau? If you don't use one of those, you probably won't be able to handle highres decoding. Certainly playing back 1080i video on my mythtv box scaling to the TV res works perfectly. I just play them and mythtv does whatever it does for playback. I use an 8600GT card with the drivers installed the debian way of course. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 21 19:59:38 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:59:38 -0500 Subject: Min-ITX boards, dual LAN/core In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001210937k4ed85abft6567abff43d565cc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001210937k4ed85abft6567abff43d565cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100121195938.GK24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 09:37:13AM -0800, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Hmm, lots of questions on my mind today. > > My current "server" is running on a mini-ITX "jetway" botherboard with > dual gigabit LAN cards and a C7 (1.5Ghz) CPU. I would like to find > something with a decent SFF low-draw dual-core CPU, like a lot of the > dual-core atom boards. Unfortunately I haven't yet found one of these > that also has the dual 1GB NIC's. > > Anyone seen a dual-atom or dual-C7 (if such a beast exist) that also > has two NIC's? Preferably at least one NIC being gig-E, of course. Does it have to be x86? Does it have to be dual core? If you want a low power server with decent cpu performance (after all the atom sure isn't fast), then the openrd-client might make sense. http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-openrdcdetails.aspx Lots of USB ports, dual gigabit ethernet, internal and external SATA connectors (I believe it can take an internal laptop SATA drive). 1.2GHz arm CPU is pretty darn fast. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 21 21:04:41 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:04:41 -0800 Subject: HDTV @ 1080p, full-screen video In-Reply-To: <20100121195626.GJ24306-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001210817j4358fb7ejc3e10070c0bc9958@mail.gmail.com> <20100121195626.GJ24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001211304n6994518cxc261b7a68540dae5@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 08:17:20AM -0800, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> I've got a box that I'm currently trying to diagose some "issues" with. >> Currently it's running Ubuntu 9.10, has a GeForce (9200 I believe) >> card with DVI out, and has issues playing video. I'm using the NVidia >> binary-blob drivers. >> >> If I reduce the resolution to 1300x800 (or whatever the exact mode >> is), the video plays smoothly. At full HD, the sound desyncs and >> there's a fair bit of stuttering. At full res the CPU usage seems a >> bit high, but it isn't pegged. >> >> I had a similar rig that used HDMI out, and older GeForce (6600) card, >> and didn't experience these issues. Anyone know of any issues with >> recent Xorg/Ubuntu and high-def video? >> >> I can't remember if this box had HDMI, but it does have VGA, so I >> think perhaps in the meantime I'll test that. In windows it also >> supports audio-over-DVI but I've yet to attempt that in 'nix. >> >> I had another machine with an Intel chipset that similar issues, but I >> think that was only 1080i and I can't remember what exactly resolved >> it but it "just started working" eventually. > > What player are you using? > > Does the player use XvMC? ?Does it use libvdpau? > > If you don't use one of those, you probably won't be able to handle > highres decoding. > > Certainly playing back 1080i video on my mythtv box scaling to the TV > res works perfectly. ?I just play them and mythtv does whatever it does > for playback. ?I use an 8600GT card with the drivers installed the debian > way of course. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > The Debian way being the kernel-only driver, or using something like module-assistant+DKMS? -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (778) 890-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 21 21:06:32 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:06:32 -0800 Subject: Min-ITX boards, dual LAN/core In-Reply-To: <20100121195938.GK24306-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001210937k4ed85abft6567abff43d565cc@mail.gmail.com> <20100121195938.GK24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001211306k4a75e888lfb1d4115a4a934b0@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 09:37:13AM -0800, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> Hmm, lots of questions on my mind today. >> >> My current "server" is running on a mini-ITX "jetway" botherboard with >> dual gigabit LAN cards and a C7 (1.5Ghz) CPU. I would like to find >> something with a decent SFF low-draw dual-core CPU, like a lot of the >> dual-core atom boards. Unfortunately I haven't yet found one of these >> that also has the dual 1GB NIC's. >> >> Anyone seen a dual-atom or dual-C7 (if such a beast exist) that also >> has two NIC's? Preferably at least one NIC being gig-E, of course. > > Does it have to be x86? ?Does it have to be dual core? > > If you want a low power server with decent cpu performance (after all > the atom sure isn't fast), then the openrd-client might make sense. > > http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-openrdcdetails.aspx > > Lots of USB ports, dual gigabit ethernet, internal and external SATA > connectors (I believe it can take an internal laptop SATA drive). > 1.2GHz arm CPU is pretty darn fast. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > The multi-core would mostly be for when I have a bunch of video encoding or other stuff going on in the background, or when I'm using the box with mythtv and it's doing otf transmission to one of the other connected clients. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 21 22:45:06 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:45:06 -0500 Subject: HDTV @ 1080p, full-screen video In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001211304n6994518cxc261b7a68540dae5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001210817j4358fb7ejc3e10070c0bc9958@mail.gmail.com> <20100121195626.GJ24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef1001211304n6994518cxc261b7a68540dae5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100121224506.GL24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 01:04:41PM -0800, Tyler Aviss wrote: > The Debian way being the kernel-only driver, or using something like > module-assistant+DKMS? module-assistant. Certainly not dkms. nvidia-kernel-source + module-assistant -> nvidia-kernel- module package nvidia-glx for X driver http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.html is where I store my howto on it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 21 22:49:23 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:49:23 -0500 Subject: Min-ITX boards, dual LAN/core In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001211306k4a75e888lfb1d4115a4a934b0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001210937k4ed85abft6567abff43d565cc@mail.gmail.com> <20100121195938.GK24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef1001211306k4a75e888lfb1d4115a4a934b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100121224923.GM24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 01:06:32PM -0800, Tyler Aviss wrote: > The multi-core would mostly be for when I have a bunch of video > encoding or other stuff going on in the background, or when I'm using > the box with mythtv and it's doing otf transmission to one of the > other connected clients. Just remember that an atom's actual speed is pretty close to half of the expected speed for an x86 cpu at its clock speed. So 1.6GHz atom is about the speed of an 800MHz Core2 core or Pentium 3 or similar. The 50% drop is pretty standard for in order execution chips like the atom. Similarly the PS3's powerpc core is also in order execution and hence rather slow compared to a modern out of order execution powerpc core. In order execution cores are much much simpler and use a lot less transistors and hence less power. If the compiler does a good job, you can gain back a good chunk of the lost speed, but in most cases you won't be able to. The netbooks with the atom 1.6GHz chip is not really much faster than the first EEEpc devices with the 700MHz celeron chips. The atom uses less power though giving better battary life. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 22 01:11:38 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:11:38 -0500 Subject: Min-ITX boards, dual LAN/core In-Reply-To: <20100121224923.GM24306-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001210937k4ed85abft6567abff43d565cc@mail.gmail.com> <20100121195938.GK24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef1001211306k4a75e888lfb1d4115a4a934b0@mail.gmail.com> <20100121224923.GM24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001211711g388dbc88k2c8a3dcc06afe3bc@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 01:06:32PM -0800, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> The multi-core would mostly be for when I have a bunch of video >> encoding or other stuff going on in the background, or when I'm using >> the box with mythtv and it's doing otf transmission to one of the >> other connected clients. > > Just remember that an atom's actual speed is pretty close to half of > the expected speed for an x86 cpu at its clock speed. > > So 1.6GHz atom is about the speed of an 800MHz Core2 core or Pentium 3 > or similar. ?The 50% drop is pretty standard for in order execution > chips like the atom. > > Similarly the PS3's powerpc core is also in order execution and hence > rather slow compared to a modern out of order execution powerpc core. > > In order execution cores are much much simpler and use a lot less > transistors and hence less power. ?If the compiler does a good job, you > can gain back a good chunk of the lost speed, but in most cases you > won't be able to. > > The netbooks with the atom 1.6GHz chip is not really much faster than > the first EEEpc devices with the 700MHz celeron chips. ?The atom uses > less power though giving better battary life. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Hmm, well it would be for me LAN-server. I've been trying to find comparisons between the C7 (C7-D I think) and the atom. The VIA nano might also be an option. Other CPU's that are light on power consumption might also do, but I'm not aware of anything that does X86 really gets close to the current C7 other than the nano. Other than the general CPU speed and power consumption, the other main areas of focus was how well it does encryption (especially for handling a steamed SSL connections) and/or audio/video encoding, mythtv etc. The current machine used to run on a 50-60W brick with the drives etc, and never seemed to flinch at that. It's got a mini-PSU now with the new case, but I wouldn't want to go too much beyond the current consumption. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 22 05:48:31 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:48:31 -0500 Subject: COTSE.NET mail services domain expired Message-ID: <20100122054831.GA23054@waltdnes.org> Anybody know what happened to them? I see a directNIC domain parking page. I had to do a hurried reconfig of my waltdnes.org email forwarding. Fortunately, my domain is hosted with another outfit, so COTSE's disappearance doesn't affect the domain setup itself. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 22 06:15:09 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:15:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: open government data Message-ID: I found this Guardian (the UK newspaper) set of pictures interesting: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/gallery/2010/jan/20/official-government-data-sites?picture=358329367 "Official government data sites around the world" Includes Toronto, but not Ontario or Canada. Toronto seems to invite participation. This seems to have started in November. You are supposed to agree to there terms. I have not looked at what those terms are. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 22 06:26:30 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:26:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: open government data In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: D. Hugh Redelmeier | I found this Guardian (the UK newspaper) set of pictures interesting: | http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/gallery/2010/jan/20/official-government-data-sites?picture=358329367 | "Official government data sites around the world" Here's a gallery of 10 uses of the UK data: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/gallery/2010/jan/20/government-data-applications-vizualisations?picture=358351626 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 22 14:20:30 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:20:30 -0800 Subject: Skype 64-bit available Message-ID: <3a97ef1001220620m7056c921u5841cb0f81bfdb73@mail.gmail.com> FYI, I know it's not the most popular app among those that want to maintain sane network configurations, but I thought I'd take note for those that have been dealing with the "I have a 64-bit OS and have to force-install this bloody 32-bit app" issues. Last time I checked skype only had a 32-bit app. Now it appears that sometime over (the last several months) they've finally released a 64-bit installer. So that's one less app in the waiting-line. The only one that come to mind that are still an issue for me these days is flash, but they do have the 64-bit "alpha" release which actually well enough on 'nix anyhow. Any other useful/semi-needed apps still stuck in 32-bit-land? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 22 14:24:03 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:24:03 -0800 Subject: Skype 64-bit available In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001220620m7056c921u5841cb0f81bfdb73-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001220620m7056c921u5841cb0f81bfdb73@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001220624u54e167bdsd4ae61e25558a8db@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > FYI, > > > I know it's not the most popular app among those that want to maintain > sane network configurations, but I thought I'd take note for those > that have been dealing with the "I have a 64-bit OS and have to > force-install this bloody 32-bit app" issues. > > Last time I checked skype only had a 32-bit app. Now it appears that > sometime over (the last several months) they've finally released a > 64-bit installer. So that's one less app in the waiting-line. The only > one that come to mind that are still an issue for me these days is > flash, but they do have the 64-bit "alpha" release which actually well > enough on 'nix anyhow. > > Any other useful/semi-needed apps still stuck in 32-bit-land? > One other thing about skype. It may be a pain on sane networking configurations, but afaik it's the ONLY apps for VOIP on linux that properly uses PulseAudio. The OSS/ALSA/PulseAudio is of course another sore spot for many people, but I must say that on newer 'buntu and/or Debian configurations it's actually quite to use in most occasions, especially when it comes to combining with bluez to allow for bluetooth sound devices/headsets/etc as it's detect-and-go all the way without having to edit config files. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 22 16:04:50 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:04:50 -0500 Subject: Min-ITX boards, dual LAN/core In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001211711g388dbc88k2c8a3dcc06afe3bc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001210937k4ed85abft6567abff43d565cc@mail.gmail.com> <20100121195938.GK24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef1001211306k4a75e888lfb1d4115a4a934b0@mail.gmail.com> <20100121224923.GM24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef1001211711g388dbc88k2c8a3dcc06afe3bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100122160450.GN24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> > Hmm, well it would be for me LAN-server. I've been trying to find > comparisons between the C7 (C7-D I think) and the atom. The VIA nano > might also be an option. Other CPU's that are light on power > consumption might also do, but I'm not aware of anything that does X86 > really gets close to the current C7 other than the nano. > > Other than the general CPU speed and power consumption, the other main > areas of focus was how well it does encryption (especially for > handling a steamed SSL connections) and/or audio/video encoding, > mythtv etc. The openrd-client has AES, DES and 3DES as well as SHA1 and MD5 in hardware. > The current machine used to run on a 50-60W brick with the drives etc, > and never seemed to flinch at that. It's got a mini-PSU now with the > new case, but I wouldn't want to go too much beyond the current > consumption. The openrd-client uses 7.2W average. Idle 4.8W. Add a disk and you should expect another 5W or so. Each USB port can also uses a few watts depending on the device connected. Maximum with all USB ports, HDD and Ethernet in use is 30W. It's hard to beat an arm processor for low power consumption. I haven't found out what video chip it has yet, so I am not sure what it can do for video decoding. I really should get one of these little toys. Unfortunately it appears that the 88F6xxx series don't have FPU, so floating point performance would suck. The MV7xxxx have FPU and are dual issue superscaler and even faster. The MV78200 is actually a dual core 1.2GHz arm. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 22 16:27:11 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:27:11 -0500 Subject: Min-ITX boards, dual LAN/core In-Reply-To: <20100122160450.GN24306-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001210937k4ed85abft6567abff43d565cc@mail.gmail.com> <20100121195938.GK24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef1001211306k4a75e888lfb1d4115a4a934b0@mail.gmail.com> <20100121224923.GM24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef1001211711g388dbc88k2c8a3dcc06afe3bc@mail.gmail.com> <20100122160450.GN24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100122162711.GA31016@yam.witteman.ca> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:04:50AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >The openrd-client uses 7.2W average. Idle 4.8W. Add a disk and you >should expect another 5W or so. Each USB port can also uses a few >watts depending on the device connected. Maximum with all USB ports, >HDD and Ethernet in use is 30W. > >It's hard to beat an arm processor for low power consumption. > >I haven't found out what video chip it has yet, so I am not sure what >it can do for video decoding. > >I really should get one of these little toys. > >Unfortunately it appears that the 88F6xxx series don't have FPU, so >floating point performance would suck. > >The MV7xxxx have FPU and are dual issue superscaler and even faster. >The MV78200 is actually a dual core 1.2GHz arm. Is there a price for such a thing? I did not see anything on the website. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 22 19:07:27 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:07:27 -0500 Subject: Min-ITX boards, dual LAN/core In-Reply-To: <20100122162711.GA31016-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001210937k4ed85abft6567abff43d565cc@mail.gmail.com> <20100121195938.GK24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef1001211306k4a75e888lfb1d4115a4a934b0@mail.gmail.com> <20100121224923.GM24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef1001211711g388dbc88k2c8a3dcc06afe3bc@mail.gmail.com> <20100122160450.GN24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100122162711.GA31016@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20100122190727.GO24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:27:11AM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:04:50AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > >The openrd-client uses 7.2W average. Idle 4.8W. Add a disk and you > >should expect another 5W or so. Each USB port can also uses a few > >watts depending on the device connected. Maximum with all USB ports, > >HDD and Ethernet in use is 30W. > > > >It's hard to beat an arm processor for low power consumption. > > > >I haven't found out what video chip it has yet, so I am not sure what > >it can do for video decoding. > > > >I really should get one of these little toys. > > > >Unfortunately it appears that the 88F6xxx series don't have FPU, so > >floating point performance would suck. > > > >The MV7xxxx have FPU and are dual issue superscaler and even faster. > >The MV78200 is actually a dual core 1.2GHz arm. > > Is there a price for such a thing? I did not see anything on the > website. I haven't found any boards with that chip yet. Would be very neat though. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 22 20:50:11 2010 From: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:50:11 -0500 Subject: Lone Coder: Prioritizing Solutions on Difficult Projects Message-ID: <1264193411.7082.1.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Another of my monthly blog entires. "...In the book "Software Creativity 2.0", veteran software pundit Robert L. Glass (Home Page) explores creative development under the strict discipline of a business setting. In Chapter 1.8, Mr. Glass looks at P. J. Plauger's (Home Page) concept of "The Falutin' Index". "Falutin'" is a slang term for something pompous or ostentatious (AlphaDictionary). Mr. Plauger uses the term to mean "complexity" as in a "high falutin' project" being a complex project. In Mr. Plauger's original article, he suggested that there are high falutin' projects, high falutin' programmers, and high falutin' solutions. Likewise, there were low falutin' (simple) programmers, problems, solutions and projects. If you assign a high falutin' programmer to a well-defined low falutin' problem, you could get an inappropriate, over-engineered solution. If you assign a low falutin' programmer to a well-defined high falutin' problem, you could get an inappropriate, under-engineered solution..." http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder/coder_january_2010.html -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Blog: http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From erik_list-etARiVBfTZtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 01:26:29 2010 From: erik_list-etARiVBfTZtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Erik L) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:26:29 -0500 Subject: Seeking embedded Linux developer Message-ID: Hi everyone, We (Caneris) are looking for someone to make an existing embedded Linux distro production-ready on hardware on which it currently doesn't run. I haven't specified the hardware, software, or context, so I realize that's probably as vague as one can get, but that's intentional. There may be assembly coding required and drivers will have to be written/modified for sure. Strong knowledge of networking is a must, including specifically Ethernet and VLANs/802.1q ("strong knowledge" here means in the context of being able to write/modify a driver). Previous Linux dev experience with embedded devices required - i.e. substantial hardware background. This will be a short-term contract project, with an immediate start date. If you have previous relevant experience or know someone who does, I'd appreciate replies off-list. Thanks -- Erik *** Remove the _list part in my e-mail address to reply. *** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 03:45:52 2010 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:45:52 -0500 Subject: How do I restore a broken Vista Partition without breaking Linux? Message-ID: <1264218352.2399.13.camel@jimslaptop> Hi, I know this is a bit off topic here but not sure where to get help on this. I have a Vista partition that I need for a course I teach. I'm usually in my Linux partition but yesterday when I went into Vista, in it's Microsoft way it updated itself to Service Pack 2. When I rebooted I got a black screen with the cursor showing. I tried booting into safe mode and this did the same thing. I ran chkdsk from a command prompt and no change. Below I'm posting the last few lines from the boot log in case anyone knows what this means. If I put my recovery disk in it warns that it will wipe all partitions. Is there any way to use the recovery disk without losing my Linux partition? ( note that it is a recovery disk from ASUS so not a complete Vista Disk) I'm considering just getting Windows 7 and be done with Vista. If I do will Windows see my Linux partition and bootloader and leave everything to do with Linux alone? Any advice to get me out of this quagmire would be appreciated. Thanks, Jim Last 20 lines of my boot log : Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\ndisuio.sys Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\rspndr.sys Loaded driver \??\C:\Program Files\ATKGFNEX\ASMMAP.sys Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\HTTP.sys Loaded driver \??\C:\Windows\system32\drivers\CO_Mon.sys Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\srvnet.sys Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\mrxdav.sys Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\srv2.sys Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\srv.sys Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\bowser.sys Loaded driver \??\C:\Program Files\ASUS\NB Probe\SPM\ghaio.sys Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\mpsdrv.sys Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\mrxsmb.sys Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\mrxsmb10.sys Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\mrxsmb20.sys Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\peauth.sys Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\secdrv.SYS Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\tcpipreg.sys Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\ubohci.sys Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\ubsbm.sys Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\ubumapi.sys -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 03:52:32 2010 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:52:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: How do I restore a broken Vista Partition without breaking Linux? In-Reply-To: <1264218352.2399.13.camel@jimslaptop> References: <1264218352.2399.13.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, jim wrote: > If I put my recovery disk in it warns that it will wipe all > partitions. Is there any way to use the recovery disk without > losing my Linux partition? ( note that it is a recovery disk > from ASUS so not a complete Vista Disk) I guess you don't have any spare HD to which you can backup your Linux partition? > I'm considering just getting Windows 7 and be done with Vista. Might works, in my experience MS Windows installation disk allows you to install in a particular partition, not wiping the whole disk. That said, my last MS Windows I had experience installing is XP. -- ____ ____ ____ ____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo /___ /___/ /___/ /___ http://www.arifsaha.com/ ____/ / / / ____/ ** Happy New Year! Felix dies Nativitatis! http://advent2009.com/ ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 04:18:42 2010 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:18:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001052053w7d7f963er9d5778c022e100d5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1001052053w7d7f963er9d5778c022e100d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Yeah, the N900 is definitely a nice looking phone. The only > big thing was the lack of multi-touch (it seems to use a > stylus) and no GPS. It seems to have GPS: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ -- ____ ____ ____ ____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo /___ /___/ /___/ /___ http://www.arifsaha.com/ ____/ / / / ____/ ** Happy New Year! Felix dies Nativitatis! http://advent2009.com/ ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 05:20:33 2010 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:20:33 -0500 Subject: How do I restore a broken Vista Partition without breaking Linux? In-Reply-To: <1264218352.2399.13.camel@jimslaptop> References: <1264218352.2399.13.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <4B5A8721.60704@rogers.com> jim wrote: > Hi, > I know this is a bit off topic here but not sure where to get help on > this. I have a Vista partition that I need for a course I teach. I'm > usually in my Linux partition but yesterday when I went into Vista, in > it's Microsoft way it updated itself to Service Pack 2. When I rebooted > I got a black screen with the cursor showing. I tried booting into safe > mode and this did the same thing. This fix worked for me on a client's laptop that had the same problem: Step #1 - Boot to Ubuntu Live Cd or the distro of your choice? Step #2 - Navigate to and Mount your harddrive Step #3 - Navigate to windows/system32/winevt Step #4 - Rename Logs to Logs_old Step #5 - Create a new folder called Logs Step #6 - Reboot to a working vista I also took the precaution of setting her up with a dual boot of Mepis. She has already told me that she wants me to come back next month and wipe out the Vista partition in favour of Mepis. HTH John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 06:02:19 2010 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:02:19 -0500 Subject: Open-PC: From the community, for the community In-Reply-To: <20100120162314.GI24306-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571001200536m110ec41m575c964bc5f35083@mail.gmail.com> <20100120162314.GI24306@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B5A90EB.3040409@linuxcaffe.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Where is the > Coreboot bios with source code? They didn't mention anything about that > in the specs. Without that, I don't consider it fully open hardware. > In fact I consider it a joke. Agreed Lennart, it doesn't meet my definition of Open Hardware by a long stretch. If it were like arduino, or even some of the VIA tech reference designs, they'd be offering up the pcboard CAD files, too. djp > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 06:44:24 2010 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:44:24 -0500 Subject: How do I restore a broken Vista Partition without breaking Linux? In-Reply-To: <4B5A8721.60704-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1264218352.2399.13.camel@jimslaptop> <4B5A8721.60704@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1264229064.2388.9.camel@jimslaptop> > > Hi, > > I know this is a bit off topic here but not sure where to get help on > > this. I have a Vista partition that I need for a course I teach. I'm > > usually in my Linux partition but yesterday when I went into Vista, in > > it's Microsoft way it updated itself to Service Pack 2. When I rebooted > > I got a black screen with the cursor showing. I tried booting into safe > > mode and this did the same thing. > > > This fix worked for me on a client's laptop that had the same problem: > > Step #1 - Boot to Ubuntu Live Cd or the distro of your choice? > Step #2 - Navigate to and Mount your harddrive > Step #3 - Navigate to windows/system32/winevt > Step #4 - Rename Logs to Logs_old > Step #5 - Create a new folder called Logs > Step #6 - Reboot to a working vista Thanks a lot John. I tried this but it seems to do the same thing and lock up with a black screen and white cursor. The newly created Logs file is empty after a reboot attempt. Do I have to give any permissions to that folder I made? Just realized I could only make the folder as root. I'm assuming Windows doesn't care about permissions. I get the sense that it is something minor. There is still activity on the hard disk when it sits on the black screen. It is nice to have the second OS ie Linux so I can edit files in windows to try and get it to boot. Just not sure which files I should delete etc. Thanks again, Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 06:47:47 2010 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:47:47 -0500 Subject: How do I restore a broken Vista Partition without breaking Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <1264218352.2399.13.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <1264229267.2388.12.camel@jimslaptop> Thanks Arif, > On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, jim wrote: > > If I put my recovery disk in it warns that it will wipe all > > partitions. Is there any way to use the recovery disk without > > losing my Linux partition? ( note that it is a recovery disk > > from ASUS so not a complete Vista Disk) > > I guess you don't have any spare HD to which you can backup your > Linux partition? If thats what I have to do I guess I will. What is the easiest way to make an image of my Linux partition and restore it? > > > I'm considering just getting Windows 7 and be done with Vista. > > Might works, in my experience MS Windows installation disk > allows you to install in a particular partition, not wiping the > whole disk. That said, my last MS Windows I had experience > installing is XP. That's good. Trying to find get an educational discounted Windows 7 but they are sold out at my school. Jim > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 06:57:49 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:57:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Update on VirtualBox and KVM (was: dual booting) Message-ID: <453599.35485.qm@web110804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 01:07:38PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 04:52:09PM -0800, William Park wrote: > > TigerDirect has a sale on quad-core Phenom X4 2.4GHz 125W, > > so I bought it to upgrade my single-core Athlon 64 2.4GHz 45W. > > > > After doing some kernel compiles, I saw 4x speedup in both native > > and virtual machines. Ball-park benchmark is that virtual machines > > are 50% slower than native machine, and that VirtualBox and KVM > > are about the same. Well, at least, for kernel compiles. KVM's > > video/mouse driver are dog slow... > > Video might be. Mouse seems fine. At least when using -vga std and > the usb tablet options. > > The default vga (cirrus logic) doesn't work as well in my opinion. Thanks Lennart. I found that "-usb tablet" cannot scroll. Anyways, latest KVM (0.12.2) with "-usb mouse" made things much better and useable. -- William __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rjh-tkNKonCg4laeFQavDyXPBQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 10:34:20 2010 From: rjh-tkNKonCg4laeFQavDyXPBQ at public.gmane.org (Robin Humble) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:34:20 -0500 Subject: Reallocated Sector Count = 67 In-Reply-To: <4B43F494.70905-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B4327B0.6060405@rogers.com> <4B43F494.70905@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100123103420.GA1476@grizzly.cita.utoronto.ca> On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 09:25:24PM -0500, Stephen wrote: > The drive is 8 months old and has 106.1 days of use. It is still under > warranty. It is a Seagate Barracuda ST31000528AS, firmware version CC34, > serial number 9VP0GXSS, current temperature 30C, last self test > completed OK, Self Assessment passed, 67 bad sectors. you can probably have 1000 remapped sectors before it officially fails itself, but in my experience any drive up in the 100's is on the way out - it's more likely to get more dead sectors, go slow on parts of the platters etc. having said that remapped sectors is a pretty normal part of life these days. on a sample of Seagate ES2 1TB disks I have handy, about 20% have some remapped sectors after 6 months. in smartctl -a output, look for ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE ... 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 091 091 036 Pre-fail Always - 196 ... where - VALUE starts at 100 for a new drive and decreases as you get more dead sectors. - WORST is the worst it's ever been (meaningless for this metric). - THRESH is the level at which the drive will self fail. in this case, for this make/model of drive (a 1TB seagate), THRESH 036 really means ~1000-2000 remapped sectors. the effect of having Offline_Uncorrectable/Current_Pending_Sector's is that any attempt to read from that sector will fail, and it requires a write to the sector to make the drive internally remap the sector (and Reallocated_Sector_Ct will increment). if the drive is in a Linux md raid 5/6, then md is smart enough to try to write the missing data to a unreadable sector to force the remap. very handy. if anyone knows if md does this for an md raid1 then please let me know. HTH cheers, robin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 14:46:45 2010 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:46:45 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe seeks LaTeX lover for some down-and-dirty DTP, must give good layout and work for treats In-Reply-To: <357373.54894.qm-XyciXz+oX7gHBU+L9ui1Svu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <357373.54894.qm@web110816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B5B0BD5.4070205@utoronto.ca> William Park wrote: > Do I qualify, Dave? > http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/braille/ This is probably a better link: http://tug.ctan.org/cgi-bin/ctanPackageInformation.py?id=braille Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 15:27:36 2010 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:27:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Christopher Browne wrote: > Based on its capabilities and pricing, I'm thinking that the > Nokia N900, which is entirely more "Linux user friendly", Maemo seems to be much closer to ordinary Linux distribution than other mobile phone's linux, both in architecture and development model. That said, other than Android phones, there are also LiMo phones out there. Anybody know how open they are? > I could get an N900 for ~$600 at Newegg. No place to get it in Canada, I guess? :-> > I don't think there are any Android phones that are actually > priced lower than that. Many LiMo phones are cheaper, but again, not sure how open the architecture is. -- ____ ____ ____ ____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo /___ /___/ /___/ /___ http://www.arifsaha.com/ ____/ / / / ____/ ** Happy New Year! Felix dies Nativitatis! http://advent2009.com/ ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 15:50:35 2010 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:50:35 -0500 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100123155035.GA15567@watson-wilon.ca> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 08:27:36AM -0700, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Christopher Browne wrote: >> Based on its capabilities and pricing, I'm thinking that the Nokia >> N900, which is entirely more "Linux user friendly", > > Maemo seems to be much closer to ordinary Linux distribution than other > mobile phone's linux, both in architecture and development model. Maemo is Debian based. In theory one can use apt-get to install software. It's more like a tiny netbook than a cell phone. >> I could get an N900 for ~$600 at Newegg. > > No place to get it in Canada, I guess? :-> Rumour is that Windmobile will be selling the N900 soon without a contract. Currently Windmobile is the only Canadian carrier that offers 3G on the correct frequency. The N900 on Roger's or Fido would only get EDGE speeds. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 17:40:30 2010 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:40:30 -0500 Subject: How do I restore a broken Vista Partition without breaking Linux? In-Reply-To: <1264229064.2388.9.camel@jimslaptop> References: <1264218352.2399.13.camel@jimslaptop> <4B5A8721.60704@rogers.com> <1264229064.2388.9.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <4B5B348E.9000804@utoronto.ca> jim wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I know this is a bit off topic here but not sure where to get help on >>> this. I have a Vista partition that I need for a course I teach. I'm >>> usually in my Linux partition but yesterday when I went into Vista, in >>> it's Microsoft way it updated itself to Service Pack 2. When I rebooted >>> I got a black screen with the cursor showing. I tried booting into safe >>> mode and this did the same thing. >> >> >> This fix worked for me on a client's laptop that had the same problem: >> >> Step #1 - Boot to Ubuntu Live Cd or the distro of your choice? >> Step #2 - Navigate to and Mount your harddrive >> Step #3 - Navigate to windows/system32/winevt >> Step #4 - Rename Logs to Logs_old >> Step #5 - Create a new folder called Logs >> Step #6 - Reboot to a working vista > > Thanks a lot John. I tried this but it seems to do the same thing and > lock up with a black screen and white cursor. The newly created Logs > file is empty after a reboot attempt. Do I have to give any permissions > to that folder I made? Just realized I could only make the folder as > root. I'm assuming Windows doesn't care about permissions. I get the > sense that it is something minor. There is still activity on the hard > disk when it sits on the black screen. It is nice to have the second OS > ie Linux so I can edit files in windows to try and get it to boot. Just > not sure which files I should delete etc. > Thanks again, > Jim How many partitions are there on the disk and what are they? I have found that the best way to dual boot windows and Linux was to one primary partition and one extended partition. In the primary partition I would put Windows and I would leave the master boot record untouched. In the extended partition I would put all the necessary logical partitions for my Linux install. And then I would put lilo on the extended partition and make this active. The Lilo menu would give the option to boot either windows or Linux. In this scenario if windows gets reinstalled, you only have to boot off a linux cd and run fdisk to make that extended partition active again. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 18:18:06 2010 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:18:06 -0500 Subject: How do I restore a broken Vista Partition without breaking Linux? In-Reply-To: <4B5B348E.9000804-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1264218352.2399.13.camel@jimslaptop> <4B5A8721.60704@rogers.com> <1264229064.2388.9.camel@jimslaptop> <4B5B348E.9000804@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1264270686.6859.96.camel@jimslaptop> Thanks Evan, > >>> Hi, > >>> I know this is a bit off topic here but not sure where to get help on > >>> this. I have a Vista partition that I need for a course I teach. I'm > >>> usually in my Linux partition but yesterday when I went into Vista, in > >>> it's Microsoft way it updated itself to Service Pack 2. When I rebooted > >>> I got a black screen with the cursor showing. I tried booting into safe > >>> mode and this did the same thing. > >> > >> > >> This fix worked for me on a client's laptop that had the same problem: > >> > >> Step #1 - Boot to Ubuntu Live Cd or the distro of your choice? > >> Step #2 - Navigate to and Mount your harddrive > >> Step #3 - Navigate to windows/system32/winevt > >> Step #4 - Rename Logs to Logs_old > >> Step #5 - Create a new folder called Logs > >> Step #6 - Reboot to a working vista > > > > Thanks a lot John. I tried this but it seems to do the same thing and > > lock up with a black screen and white cursor. The newly created Logs > > file is empty after a reboot attempt. Do I have to give any permissions > > to that folder I made? Just realized I could only make the folder as > > root. I'm assuming Windows doesn't care about permissions. I get the > > sense that it is something minor. There is still activity on the hard > > disk when it sits on the black screen. It is nice to have the second OS > > ie Linux so I can edit files in windows to try and get it to boot. Just > > not sure which files I should delete etc. > > Thanks again, > > Jim > > How many partitions are there on the disk and what are they? Just looking at it using gparted seems like an odd partitioning scheme. I just let Ubuntu do it's thing when I installed it over Windows. /dev/sda1 fat32 Recovery 9.7 GB /dev/sda2 ntfs /media/VistaOS 150 GB /dev/sda3 extended 139 GB /dev/sda5 ntfs /media/Data 26 GB /dev/sda6 ext3 / 109 GB /dev/sda7 linux_swap 4 GB I'm assuming the Recovery partition is Expess Gate, the fast bootup option? Not sure how that ntfs Data partition got in there. I'm debating just going out and biting the bullet and getting Windows 7 to fix my Windows partition. > > I have found that the best way to dual boot windows and Linux was to one > primary partition and one extended partition. In the primary partition I > would put Windows and I would leave the master boot record untouched. > > In the extended partition I would put all the necessary logical > partitions for my Linux install. And then I would put lilo on the > extended partition and make this active. The Lilo menu would give the > option to boot either windows or Linux. > > In this scenario if windows gets reinstalled, you only have to boot off > a linux cd and run fdisk to make that extended partition active again. Thanks for the advice. Hopefully next time I install I'll get the partitioning right. jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 18:41:36 2010 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:41:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: How do I restore a broken Vista Partition without breaking Linux? In-Reply-To: <1264270686.6859.96.camel@jimslaptop> References: <1264218352.2399.13.camel@jimslaptop> <4B5A8721.60704@rogers.com> <1264229064.2388.9.camel@jimslaptop> <4B5B348E.9000804@utoronto.ca> <1264270686.6859.96.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Jan 2010, jim wrote: > I just let Ubuntu do it's thing when I installed it over > Windows. I never just let any OS do that when I do OS install, at least review it. :-) > /dev/sda1 fat32 Recovery 9.7 GB > /dev/sda2 ntfs /media/VistaOS 150 GB > /dev/sda3 extended 139 GB > /dev/sda5 ntfs /media/Data 26 GB > /dev/sda6 ext3 / 109 GB > /dev/sda7 linux_swap 4 GB > > I'm assuming the Recovery partition is Expess Gate, the fast > bootup option? I believe the Recovery partition is indeed copy of the whole Recovery CD. If you manage to boot to Recovery partition, then you can do the whole disk Recovery from there. I has seen this in MS Windows machines from major OEM. However, sometime they require the MBR to be correct, as my experience with my office's Dell. So after installing Linux, the whole partition may be useless (especially if you have the Recovery CD anyway). > Not sure how that ntfs Data partition got in there. Probably you should review its content first. Make sure nothing important there. Seeing that your Linux only in single partition, copying it to other disk will be even easier. > Thanks for the advice. Hopefully next time I install I'll get > the partitioning right. Actually yours already follow most of Evan's suggestion, i.e. having all Linux partition in extended partition. -- ____ ____ ____ ____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo /___ /___/ /___/ /___ http://www.arifsaha.com/ ____/ / / / ____/ ** Happy New Year! Felix dies Nativitatis! http://advent2009.com/ ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 18:52:41 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:52:41 -0800 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: <20100123155035.GA15567-8agRmHhQ+n0LFV1hc+Bozg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> <20100123155035.GA15567@watson-wilon.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001231052v1debecd2j9612ee7e9d1e2792@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Neil Watson wrote: > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 08:27:36AM -0700, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: >> >> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Christopher Browne wrote: >>> >>> Based on its capabilities and pricing, I'm thinking that the Nokia N900, >>> which is entirely more "Linux user friendly", >> >> Maemo seems to be much closer to ordinary Linux distribution than other >> mobile phone's linux, both in architecture and development model. > > Maemo is Debian based. ?In theory one can use apt-get to install > software. ?It's more like a tiny netbook than a cell phone. > >>> I could get an N900 for ~$600 at Newegg. >> >> No place to get it in Canada, I guess? :-> > > Rumour is that Windmobile will be selling the N900 soon without a > contract. ?Currently Windmobile is the only Canadian carrier that offers > 3G on the correct frequency. ?The N900 on Roger's or Fido would only get > EDGE speeds. > > -- > Neil Watson > Linux/UNIX Consultant > http://watson-wilson.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > How do you figure? My (currently defunct) iPhone works /w 3G in areas that support it. I usually *prefer* edge though for everyday stuff since 3G kills the already miniscule battery life. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 18:56:10 2010 From: fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Salman Ahmed) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:56:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Free IDE CD-ROM drives and HDDs Message-ID: <580071.21632.qm@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have a few (older) IDE components that I have no use for anymore, and perhaps someone on this list might be able to make use of these: *** IDE CD-ROM drives *** (1) ASUS internal IDE CD-ROM drive (beige) (2) Samsung internal SC-148C IDE CD-ROM drive (black) +++ IDE HDDs +++ (1) Western Digital Caviar 10Gb IDE drive (2Mb cache) (2) Maxtor DiamondMax 20Gb 7200rpm IDE drive (2Mb cache) (3) Seagate Barracuda 40Gb 7200rpm UltraIDE drive (2Mb cache) All of the above are in excellent working condition; the HDDs have been wiped clean. I can also supply IDE cables if needed. Pickup from near Don Mills Rd and Eglinton Ave in Toronto is preferred, although I may be able to meetup in downtown Toronto along the Yonge-Eglinton subway line Mon-Fri around 6pm or so. Please email or call me @416.271.0779 to setup a time. Thanks. -- Salman Ahmed -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 19:07:52 2010 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:07:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001231052v1debecd2j9612ee7e9d1e2792-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> <20100123155035.GA15567@watson-wilon.ca> <3a97ef1001231052v1debecd2j9612ee7e9d1e2792@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Jan 2010, Tyler Aviss wrote: > How do you figure? Most of the world outside North America use 2100 band for G3 (HSPA). However, Rogers (with Fido) and ATT choose to get 1900 band. T-Mobile and Wind Mobile do use 2100 band. N900 support band 900, 1700, and 2100 for HSPA: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ -- ____ ____ ____ ____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo /___ /___/ /___/ /___ http://www.arifsaha.com/ ____/ / / / ____/ ** Happy New Year! Felix dies Nativitatis! http://advent2009.com/ ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 20:53:04 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:53:04 -0200 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> <20100123155035.GA15567@watson-wilon.ca> <3a97ef1001231052v1debecd2j9612ee7e9d1e2792@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 17:07, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jan 2010, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> >> How do you figure? > > Most of the world outside North America use 2100 band for G3 (HSPA). > However, Rogers (with Fido) and ATT choose to get 1900 band. T-Mobile and > Wind Mobile do use 2100 band. N900 support band 900, 1700, and 2100 for > HSPA: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ Thanks for answering before I had to ask. I have a N78 - the Brazilian version does not support 2100 for 3G. I should have enabled it on Claro provider (850 band), but I am a customer of Telecom Italia, so I am only able to get EDGE connections. Now I'm looking into this Wind Mobile 3G plans, as my N78 probably support them. Thanks a lot. -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 21:08:28 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:08:28 -0500 Subject: mythtv and hidef tv cards suggestions Message-ID: <32f6a8881001231308j3d059473na902c3e09b9cd37f@mail.gmail.com> Hello Fellow Tlugers :) I was wondering if I can rebring a topic up :) What hidef cards are relatively ok in price that you guys can suggest work with mythtv? I was hoping that I could get one that works with Hidef rogers cable set top box? Any suggestions? Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 23 21:43:30 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:43:30 -0500 Subject: mythtv and hidef tv cards suggestions In-Reply-To: <32f6a8881001231308j3d059473na902c3e09b9cd37f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881001231308j3d059473na902c3e09b9cd37f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/23/10, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hello Fellow Tlugers :) > > I was wondering if I can rebring a topic up :) What hidef cards are > relatively ok in price that you guys can suggest work with mythtv? I've used the pcHDTV-5500, the Hauppauge HVR-1250 and the Hauppauge HVR-1600 with MythTV, and on the digital side of things all three cards work well with MythTV. Connect to a semi-decent antenna and everything basicly works. The HVR-1250 I got locally for under $65 new (the HVR-1600 was less but was part of a clearance sale...). > I was hoping that I could get one that works with Hidef rogers cable > set top box? Gag. Rogers set top box is evil. To work with the set top box you should be looking at the Hauppauge HD-PVR-1212, details to be seen here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Index.php/Hauppauge_HD-PVR Bottom line, the HD-PVR-1212 makes the best of an ugly situation, but things are UGLY. The above tuners do work well with over the air antennas, and can work well on cable systems where things are not encrypted umpteen ways to Sunday (I set the HVR-1600 up on a box at my mother's place (on Cogeco cable) and it was dairly happy...). > Any suggestions? My suggestion would be to use Rogers for the analog specialty channels and get HD programming off an antenna. Tthis is what I am doing, with 3 tuner cards in my MythTV box (currently 2 analog only cards tied to Rogers and an HVR-1250 tied to a roof mount antenna). Colin McGregor > Dave Germiquet > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 03:06:19 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:06:19 -0500 Subject: Preventing Xorg from creating input-devices Message-ID: <3a97ef1001241906ya1b658bp6dae6ce8d63a18dc@mail.gmail.com> I'm having major issues with Xorg trying to be a bit "too helpful" lately. I have an LCD with a touchscreen, and have defined the appropriate input section in xorg.conf and added it to my server layout Section "InputDevice" Identifier "lilliput touchscreen" Driver "evtouch" Option "Device" "/dev/input/lilliput" # Option "Device" "/dev/input/event6" Option "DeviceName" "touchscreen" #udev-created symlink to /dev/input/event6, prevents devices from changing ID's # Option "MinX" "65" # Option "MaxX" "1978" # Option "MinY" "20" # Option "MaxY" "2000" Option "SwapX" "1" Option "SwapY" "1" Option "MinX" "65" Option "MaxX" "1978" Option "MinY" "1673" Option "MaxY" "2000" Option "ReportingMode" "Raw" # Option "Emulate3Buttons" # Option "Emulate3Timeout" "50" # Option "MoveLimit" "10" Option "SendCoreEvents" "On" Option "CorePointer" Option "Calibrate" "0" EndSection However, xorg creates it's own device which takes over the event interface before mine instantiates, and that devices has completely WRONG minX, maxY etc params. from Xorg.0.log (II) config/hal: Adding input device eGalax Inc. (**) Option "longtouched_button" "3" (**) Option "maybetapped_button" "1" State: S_UNTOUCHED Action: No Action Button: 0 State: S_TOUCHED Action: No Action Button: 0 State: S_LONGTOUCHED Action: click Button: 3 State: S_MOVING Action: No Action Button: 0 State: S_MAYBETAPPED Action: click Button: 1 State: S_ONEANDAHALFTAP Action: down Button: 3 (**) Option "MinX" "130" (**) Option "MaxX" "3945" (**) Option "MinY" "197" (**) Option "MaxY" "3894" (**) Option "TapTimer" "30" (**) Option "LongtouchTimer" "750" (**) Option "MoveLimit" "10" (**) EVTouch TouchScreen: always reports core events (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "EVTouch TouchScreen" (type: TOUCHSCREEN) (**) EVTouch TouchScreen: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1 (**) EVTouch TouchScreen: (accel) filter chain progression: 2.00 (**) EVTouch TouchScreen: (accel) filter stage 0: 20.00 ms (**) EVTouch TouchScreen: (accel) set acceleration profile 0 (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event6" (EE) EVTouch TouchScreen: Unable to grab device (Device or resource busy). Anyone know a way to tell xorg to NOT do this? - TJA -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (778) 890-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 04:40:09 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:40:09 -0500 Subject: COTSE.NET mail services domain expired In-Reply-To: <20100122054831.GA23054-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20100122054831.GA23054@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20100125044009.GA28766@waltdnes.org> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:48:31AM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote > Anybody know what happened to them? I see a directNIC domain parking > page. I had to do a hurried reconfig of my waltdnes.org email > forwarding. Fortunately, my domain is hosted with another outfit, so > COTSE's disappearance doesn't affect the domain setup itself. They're back. Apparently they thought their domain was on auto-renew, which it wasn't. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 16:29:04 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:29:04 -0500 Subject: mythtv and hidef tv cards suggestions In-Reply-To: <32f6a8881001231308j3d059473na902c3e09b9cd37f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881001231308j3d059473na902c3e09b9cd37f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100125162904.GA26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 04:08:28PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hello Fellow Tlugers :) > > I was wondering if I can rebring a topic up :) What hidef cards are > relatively ok in price that you guys can suggest work with mythtv? > > I was hoping that I could get one that works with Hidef rogers cable > set top box? I have a rogers 4250HD box connected by firewire to mythtv. I get about 200 channels that way in pure digital. I haven't counted how many are HD, but certainly some are. It took me 3 weeks to get going since I kept getting errors initially. Turns out the firts firewire cable I got at tigerdirect was broken (a cheaper one from canada computers worked much better), and the firewire controller on an nforce2 is crap too, while the via one in my mythtv box works fine (as does the ricoh in my thinkpad SL500) when using a working cable. If you want to get ALL the channels you subscribe to, then the HD-PVR USB adapter from haupauge connected to the component output of the cable box and using an IR blaster (which I believe the USB device includes) will give you all of them, but it does involve going analog temporarily and recompressing. Basicly some channels are flagged with copy protection and then you don't get a signal on firewire at all. Why CBC HD is flagged and CTV HD is not I have no idea. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 17:05:53 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:05:53 -0500 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> <20100123155035.GA15567@watson-wilon.ca> <3a97ef1001231052v1debecd2j9612ee7e9d1e2792@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100125170553.GB26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:07:52PM -0700, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jan 2010, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> How do you figure? > > Most of the world outside North America use 2100 band for G3 (HSPA). > However, Rogers (with Fido) and ATT choose to get 1900 band. T-Mobile and > Wind Mobile do use 2100 band. N900 support band 900, 1700, and 2100 for > HSPA: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ Sounds similar to what the Nexus One supports. It too won't get HSPA on rogers (but should work on wind except I think wind currently won't deal with any phones they don't sell). Well actually checking wind's website, they already changed that policy (apparently they got some feedback) and will now sell just sim cards and service. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 17:07:42 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:07:42 -0500 Subject: How do I restore a broken Vista Partition without breaking Linux? In-Reply-To: <1264218352.2399.13.camel@jimslaptop> References: <1264218352.2399.13.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <20100125170742.GC26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:45:52PM -0500, jim wrote: > I know this is a bit off topic here but not sure where to get help on > this. I have a Vista partition that I need for a course I teach. I'm > usually in my Linux partition but yesterday when I went into Vista, in > it's Microsoft way it updated itself to Service Pack 2. When I rebooted > I got a black screen with the cursor showing. I tried booting into safe > mode and this did the same thing. I ran chkdsk from a command prompt and > no change. Below I'm posting the last few lines from the boot log in > case anyone knows what this means. If I put my recovery disk in it warns > that it will wipe all partitions. Is there any way to use the recovery > disk without losing my Linux partition? ( note that it is a recovery > disk from ASUS so not a complete Vista Disk) I'm considering just > getting Windows 7 and be done with Vista. If I do will Windows see my > Linux partition and bootloader and leave everything to do with Linux > alone? Any advice to get me out of this quagmire would be appreciated. Windows installs ALWAYS remove any other boot loader from the MBR. You would have to boot a rescue disk to reinstall grub after the windows install. No big deal really though, but a bit annoying. > Last 20 lines of my boot log : > > Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\ndisuio.sys > Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\rspndr.sys > Loaded driver \??\C:\Program Files\ATKGFNEX\ASMMAP.sys > Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\HTTP.sys > Loaded driver \??\C:\Windows\system32\drivers\CO_Mon.sys > Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\srvnet.sys > Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\mrxdav.sys > Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\srv2.sys > Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\srv.sys > Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\bowser.sys > Loaded driver \??\C:\Program Files\ASUS\NB Probe\SPM\ghaio.sys > Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\mpsdrv.sys > Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\mrxsmb.sys > Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\mrxsmb10.sys > Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\mrxsmb20.sys > Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\drivers\peauth.sys > Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\secdrv.SYS > Loaded driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\tcpipreg.sys > Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\ubohci.sys > Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\ubsbm.sys > Loaded driver \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\ubumapi.sys No idea what is wrong with it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 17:10:23 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:10:23 -0500 Subject: Update on VirtualBox and KVM (was: dual booting) In-Reply-To: <453599.35485.qm-Y34AK2gV3GwA0QRgWO9Mevu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <453599.35485.qm@web110804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100125171023.GD26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:57:49PM -0800, William Park wrote: > Thanks Lennart. I found that "-usb tablet" cannot scroll. Anyways, latest > KVM (0.12.2) with "-usb mouse" made things much better and useable. I like the tablet option because there is no mouse cursor speed issues. The cursor lines up perfectly in X and the virtual machine that way. Yeah it has no scroll wheel. I guess that's a bit annoying. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 17:38:37 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:38:37 -0500 Subject: mythtv and hidef tv cards suggestions In-Reply-To: <20100125162904.GA26872-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881001231308j3d059473na902c3e09b9cd37f@mail.gmail.com> <20100125162904.GA26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <32f6a8881001250938ra88c195l48afc7982589f096@mail.gmail.com> Hi Lennart, My friend has a HD-PVR USB adapter from haupauge 950q but I coudn't find drivers for it. Which HD-PVR USB are you referring to? I would be interested in doing something with a usb adapter if the price range is ok. On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 04:08:28PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> Hello Fellow Tlugers :) >> >> I was wondering if I can rebring a topic up :) What hidef cards are >> relatively ok in price that you guys can suggest work with mythtv? >> >> I was hoping that I could get one that works with Hidef rogers cable >> set top box? > > I have a rogers 4250HD box connected by firewire to mythtv. ?I get about > 200 channels that way in pure digital. ?I haven't counted how many are > HD, but certainly some are. ?It took me 3 weeks to get going since I > kept getting errors initially. ?Turns out the firts firewire cable I got > at tigerdirect was broken (a cheaper one from canada computers worked > much better), and the firewire controller on an nforce2 is crap too, > while the via one in my mythtv box works fine (as does the ricoh in my > thinkpad SL500) when using a working cable. > > If you want to get ALL the channels you subscribe to, then the HD-PVR > USB adapter from haupauge connected to the component output of the cable > box and using an IR blaster (which I believe the USB device includes) > will give you all of them, but it does involve going analog temporarily > and recompressing. ?Basicly some channels are flagged with copy protection > and then you don't get a signal on firewire at all. ?Why CBC HD is > flagged and CTV HD is not I have no idea. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 18:31:18 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:31:18 -0500 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: <20100125170553.GB26872-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> <20100123155035.GA15567@watson-wilon.ca> <3a97ef1001231052v1debecd2j9612ee7e9d1e2792@mail.gmail.com> <20100125170553.GB26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Sounds similar to what the Nexus One supports. ?It too won't get HSPA > on rogers (but should work on wind except I think wind currently won't > deal with any phones they don't sell). ?Well actually checking wind's > website, they already changed that policy (apparently they got some > feedback) and will now sell just sim cards and service. Interestingly, it appears that Nexus One and Nokia N900 are two notable phones (to Linux folk!) which would, at this point, *only* work "optimally" in Canada on the Wind network. Not all quite ready for prime time yet, methinks (true for all of Wind, Nexus One, N900), but it could be very interesting, once the technologies & networks stabilize a bit more... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach - "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/marie_von_ebnereschenbac.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 18:33:01 2010 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:33:01 -0500 Subject: virtualization and USB Message-ID: <1264444381.2489.16.camel@jimslaptop> Hi, I'm thinking of setting up a Virtual Machine but wondering if anyone has any suggestions/opinions on how I should go. I installed the open source version of VirtualBox then realized it didn't support USB , only the enterprise version. I don't mind paying the $50.00 if the USB functionality works. I'd be using Windows 7 as a guest. Also I would want to use Bluetooth on the guest. The USB devices I would be using are printers and some FTDI based devices ie. USB to Serial etc. Just wondering if people think KVM would be better or VMWare or stick with VirtualBox. Any thoughts? Thanks, Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 18:43:50 2010 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:43:50 -0500 Subject: The 20 most popular passwords Message-ID: These define the term, "PEBCAK error". http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=5325&tag=trunk;content The most popular password, according to ZDNet's sources: 123456 If your name is Nicole, Daniel, Jessica, Michael and Ashley, chances are real good you're an idiot. Those names are all passwords on the Top 20 list. -- Stephen Fry: It is not science that is arrogant: science can be defined as ?humility before the facts? ? it is those who refuse to submit to testing and make unsubstantiated claims that are arrogant. Arrogant and unjust. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 18:57:32 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:57:32 -0500 Subject: The 20 most popular passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1/25/10, Gary Layng wrote: > These define the term, "PEBCAK error". > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=5325&tag=trunk;content > > The most popular password, according to ZDNet's sources: 123456 > > If your name is Nicole, Daniel, Jessica, Michael and Ashley, chances are > real > good you're an idiot. Those names are all passwords on the Top 20 list. Now, now... It may well be that the above names were picked by people whose significant other / child was one of the above names... Maybe being married to a Nicole, Daniel, Jessica, Michael or Ashley causes brain damage... :-) . Further study is required... Colin McGregor > -- > Stephen Fry: > > It is not science that is arrogant: science can be defined as ?humility > before > the facts? ? it is those who refuse to submit to testing and make > unsubstantiated claims that are arrogant. Arrogant and unjust. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 20:35:50 2010 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:35:50 -0500 Subject: The 20 most popular passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201001251535.50227.dbmacg@look.ca> The real security issue is that people do not understandwhat constitutes a good password, and why they should use good passwords. Duncan On January 25, 2010 01:57:32 pm you wrote: > On 1/25/10, Gary Layng wrote: > > These define the term, "PEBCAK error". > > > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=5325&tag=trunk;content > > > > The most popular password, according to ZDNet's sources: 123456 > > > > If your name is Nicole, Daniel, Jessica, Michael and Ashley, chances are > > real > > good you're an idiot. Those names are all passwords on the Top 20 list. > > Now, now... It may well be that the above names were picked by people > whose significant other / child was one of the above names... Maybe > being married to a Nicole, Daniel, Jessica, Michael or Ashley causes > brain damage... :-) . Further study is required... > > Colin McGregor > > > -- > > Stephen Fry: > > > > It is not science that is arrogant: science can be defined as ?humility > > before > > the facts? ? it is those who refuse to submit to testing and make > > unsubstantiated claims that are arrogant. Arrogant and unjust. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Duncan MacGregor -- Toronto -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 20:53:23 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:53:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: The 20 most popular passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Gary Layng | http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=5325&tag=trunk;content Nice. I've very impressed that 123456 is almost four times as popular as 12345 (which is just slightly ahead of 123456789). They don't tell you how many distinct passwords were used so the absolute number of users of these common passwrds isn't as meaningful as it might be. The top 5000 passwrdw are used by 20% of the users. I'm surprised that iloveyou(5), princess(6), and babygirl(13) are as high as they are. Perhaps something to do with the subject matter of rockyou.com (whatever that is). Most humans cannot remmeber a large collection of distict strong passwords. Expecting them to do so is just stupid. Mocking them for failing is rude: the fault is in the system designers. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 20:53:48 2010 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:53:48 -0500 Subject: Looking for speakers on High Performance Computing at GTALUG Message-ID: Starting in the Spring and ending in the Summer of 2010 GTALUG is planning on having talks on High Performance Computing (starting with Madison Kelly on Clustering[1] and ending with Me (Myles Braithwaite (the current talks coordinator)) on High Performance Websites[2]). We are looking for presenters who could talk about Distrusted File Systems, High Availability Databases, and Distrusted Programming. If you know anyone or are someone please get in touch with me at me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org By The way we have an awesome talk on 9th Feb. 2009 on an overview of the LAMP stack[3] by Khalid Baheyeldin, hope you will be able to make it to the meeting. [1]: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Meetings:2010-05 "11 May, 2010" [2]: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Meetings:2010-09 "14 September, 2010" [3]: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Meetings:2010-02 "9 February, 2010" -- Myles Braithwaite me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org http://mylesbraithwaite.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 21:15:27 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:15:27 -0500 Subject: MinuteBase alternatives? Message-ID: I recently had pointed out to me a web-based meeting management product called MinuteBase: http://minutebase.com/ It seems a pretty slick tool to help keep meetings on a useful track, providing targeted ways to capture: a) Attendees b) Minutes :-) c) Tasks falling from minutes Obviously, one could construct most of this stuff using a wiki, but there's definitely merit to having more structure for this, pointedly in that it would be nice for attendees to be "objects" in the system so you can reference them, and add supplementary data (e.g. - email addresses, telnos, ...) Has anyone seen something akin to this? There are plenty of organizations that hold meetings where this would be mighty useful functionality... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Mike Ditka - "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mike_ditka.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 21:18:46 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:18:46 -0500 Subject: mythtv and hidef tv cards suggestions In-Reply-To: <32f6a8881001250938ra88c195l48afc7982589f096-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881001231308j3d059473na902c3e09b9cd37f@mail.gmail.com> <20100125162904.GA26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8881001250938ra88c195l48afc7982589f096@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/25/10, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi Lennart, > > My friend has a HD-PVR USB adapter from haupauge 950q but I coudn't > find drivers for it. Which HD-PVR USB are you referring to? I would be > interested in doing something with a usb adapter if the price range is > ok. Have a look at the following page regarding the Hauppauge HVR-950Q and MythTV: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_WinTV_HVR-950 Bottom line, there are drivers available, and it can be made to work with MythTV. The above USB stick does have a reputation for being CPU intensive when dealing with analog TV, but otherwise sounds pretty good... Some sources / resources when looking at MythTV can be seen on the GTALug Wiki: http://gtalug.org/wiki/MythTV Colin McGregor > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: >> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 04:08:28PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: >>> Hello Fellow Tlugers :) >>> >>> I was wondering if I can rebring a topic up :) What hidef cards are >>> relatively ok in price that you guys can suggest work with mythtv? >>> >>> I was hoping that I could get one that works with Hidef rogers cable >>> set top box? >> >> I have a rogers 4250HD box connected by firewire to mythtv. I get about >> 200 channels that way in pure digital. I haven't counted how many are >> HD, but certainly some are. It took me 3 weeks to get going since I >> kept getting errors initially. Turns out the firts firewire cable I got >> at tigerdirect was broken (a cheaper one from canada computers worked >> much better), and the firewire controller on an nforce2 is crap too, >> while the via one in my mythtv box works fine (as does the ricoh in my >> thinkpad SL500) when using a working cable. >> >> If you want to get ALL the channels you subscribe to, then the HD-PVR >> USB adapter from haupauge connected to the component output of the cable >> box and using an IR blaster (which I believe the USB device includes) >> will give you all of them, but it does involve going analog temporarily >> and recompressing. Basicly some channels are flagged with copy protection >> and then you don't get a signal on firewire at all. Why CBC HD is >> flagged and CTV HD is not I have no idea. >> >> -- >> Len Sorensen >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > > > > Dave Germiquet > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 21:24:36 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:24:36 -0500 Subject: mythtv and hidef tv cards suggestions In-Reply-To: <32f6a8881001250938ra88c195l48afc7982589f096-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881001231308j3d059473na902c3e09b9cd37f@mail.gmail.com> <20100125162904.GA26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8881001250938ra88c195l48afc7982589f096@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100125212436.GE26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:38:37PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > My friend has a HD-PVR USB adapter from haupauge 950q but I coudn't > find drivers for it. Which HD-PVR USB are you referring to? I would be > interested in doing something with a usb adapter if the price range is > ok. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR Driver is named hdpvr and included in 2.6.29.1 and greater. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 21:26:00 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:26:00 -0500 Subject: Looking for speakers on High Performance Computing at GTALUG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100125212600.GF26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 03:53:48PM -0500, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > Starting in the Spring and ending in the Summer of 2010 GTALUG is > planning on having talks on High Performance Computing (starting with > Madison Kelly on Clustering[1] and ending with Me (Myles Braithwaite > (the current talks coordinator)) on High Performance Websites[2]). We > are looking for presenters who could talk about Distrusted File > Systems, High Availability Databases, and Distrusted Programming. If > you know anyone or are someone please get in touch with me at > me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org Please tell me you meant s/Distrusted/Distributed/g. > By The way we have an awesome talk on 9th Feb. 2009 on an overview of > the LAMP stack[3] by Khalid Baheyeldin, hope you will be able to make > it to the meeting. > > [1]: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Meetings:2010-05 "11 May, 2010" > [2]: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Meetings:2010-09 "14 September, 2010" > [3]: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Meetings:2010-02 "9 February, 2010" -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 21:28:52 2010 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:28:52 -0500 Subject: Looking for speakers on High Performance Computing at GTALUG In-Reply-To: <20100125212600.GF26872-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100125212600.GF26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Please tell me you meant s/Distrusted/Distributed/g. *Blow face in shame* Yes.. Would you like to do the talk on Distributed Programming? -- Myles Braithwaite me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org http://mylesbraithwaite.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 21:29:31 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:29:31 -0500 Subject: virtualization and USB In-Reply-To: <1264444381.2489.16.camel@jimslaptop> References: <1264444381.2489.16.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <20100125212931.GG26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 01:33:01PM -0500, jim wrote: > I'm thinking of setting up a Virtual Machine but wondering if anyone has > any suggestions/opinions on how I should go. I installed the open source > version of VirtualBox then realized it didn't support USB , only the > enterprise version. I don't mind paying the $50.00 if the USB > functionality works. I'd be using Windows 7 as a guest. Also I would > want to use Bluetooth on the guest. The USB devices I would be using are > printers and some FTDI based devices ie. USB to Serial etc. Just > wondering if people think KVM would be better or VMWare or stick with > VirtualBox. Any thoughts? I believe kvm supports USB device passthrough. I haven't tried. Certainly the qemu options (almost all of which kvm uses too) say: -usbdevice devname Add the USB device devname. "host:bus.addr" Pass through the host device identified by bus.addr (Linux only). "host:vendor_id:product_id" Pass through the host device identified by vendor_id:product_id (Linux only). "serial:[vendorid=vendor_id][,productid=product_id]:dev" Serial converter to host character device dev, see "-serial" for the available devices. I certainly am through with vmware. I won't ever use it again. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 21:32:01 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:32:01 -0500 Subject: Looking for speakers on High Performance Computing at GTALUG In-Reply-To: References: <20100125212600.GF26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100125213201.GH26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 04:28:52PM -0500, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > Please tell me you meant s/Distrusted/Distributed/g. > > *Blow face in shame* Yes.. Would you like to do the talk on > Distributed Programming? I wouldn't consider myself qualified for it. I know in involves openMPI and such, but I haven't done any. I do love those systems though. I am still wondering what a distrusted filesystem would be like. Does the application have to assume the filesystem can't be trusted and add all sorts of redundancy, error correction and checksums itself? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 21:33:06 2010 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:33:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> <20100123155035.GA15567@watson-wilon.ca> <3a97ef1001231052v1debecd2j9612ee7e9d1e2792@mail.gmail.com> <20100125170553.GB26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Jan 2010, Christopher Browne wrote: > Interestingly, it appears that Nexus One and Nokia N900 are > two notable phones (to Linux folk!) Well, Nexus One probably a bit less notable, Linux-wise. Not too much Linux beyond its kernel, isn't it? > which would, at this point, *only* work "optimally" in Canada > on the Wind network. Just proof that US & Canada decission to be different than the rest of the world can be detrimental to technology development and adoption. > Not all quite ready for prime time yet, methinks (true for all > of Wind, Nexus One, N900), but it could be very interesting, > once the technologies & networks stabilize a bit more... More ready outside North America. :-) But I guess eventually they may develop multi-band HSPA-ready phones. -- ____ ____ ____ ____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo /___ /___/ /___/ /___ http://www.arifsaha.com/ ____/ / / / ____/ ** Happy New Year! Felix dies Nativitatis! http://advent2009.com/ ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 21:41:47 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:41:47 -0500 Subject: mythtv and hidef tv cards suggestions In-Reply-To: <20100125212436.GE26872-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881001231308j3d059473na902c3e09b9cd37f@mail.gmail.com> <20100125162904.GA26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8881001250938ra88c195l48afc7982589f096@mail.gmail.com> <20100125212436.GE26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <32f6a8881001251341i65ce4183lc5a2b44618211e3e@mail.gmail.com> Thanks guys. You've been a great help. Will look into this further to see how I can work with it. On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:38:37PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> My friend has a HD-PVR USB adapter from haupauge 950q but I coudn't >> find drivers for it. Which HD-PVR USB are you referring to? I would be >> interested in doing something with a usb adapter if the price range is >> ok. > > http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR > > Driver is named hdpvr and included in 2.6.29.1 and greater. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 21:45:24 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:45:24 -0500 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> <20100123155035.GA15567@watson-wilon.ca> <3a97ef1001231052v1debecd2j9612ee7e9d1e2792@mail.gmail.com> <20100125170553.GB26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100125214524.GI26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 02:33:06PM -0700, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > Well, Nexus One probably a bit less notable, Linux-wise. Not too much > Linux beyond its kernel, isn't it? Well technically that is what Linux is. Not sure what else the android OS uses. > Just proof that US & Canada decission to be different than the rest of > the world can be detrimental to technology development and adoption. Well actually rogers chose to use a certain frequency for HSPA. Wind chose another (which happens to match what most of the world is using). Some carriers in the US match rogers, some match wind. It is not a case of canada and US being different from the rest of the world in this case, just some carriers being different. Use of CDMA (by bell, telus, verizon (I think), etc) is a mistake. Not surprising then that Bell is now deploying HSPA to try and get in on the global roaming market, larger handset selection and better speed. And less qualcomm vendor lockin. > More ready outside North America. :-) But I guess eventually they may > develop multi-band HSPA-ready phones. I think it is multiband already. Just not the rogers choice of band. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 21:52:38 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:52:38 -0500 Subject: Looking for speakers on High Performance Computing at GTALUG In-Reply-To: <20100125213201.GH26872-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100125212600.GF26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100125213201.GH26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B5E12A6.6070406@alteeve.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 04:28:52PM -0500, Myles Braithwaite wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Lennart Sorensen >> wrote: >>> Please tell me you meant s/Distrusted/Distributed/g. >> *Blow face in shame* Yes.. Would you like to do the talk on >> Distributed Programming? > > I wouldn't consider myself qualified for it. I know in involves openMPI > and such, but I haven't done any. I do love those systems though. > > I am still wondering what a distrusted filesystem would be like. Does the > application have to assume the filesystem can't be trusted and add all > sorts of redundancy, error correction and checksums itself? It depends on how many systems and of what kind are accessing the shared drive. The simplest is DRBD which can be thought of as RAID 1 over ethernet. It handles locking at the (virtual) block layer. Once setup, it can be used as a normal block device with the main requirement being that the FS is journaled. Ideally, you'd use something like LVM in cluster aware mode if you want to run in Master/Master. It really depends on how you want to approach it and what you are trying to accomplish. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 21:52:43 2010 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:52:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Christopher Browne wrote: > I could get an N900 for ~$600 at Newegg. This one, right? http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875205178 Do you know in the case Newegg Canada listed an item, is there any chance the item will actually send from the US and we may have to pay custom tax and fee on it? Also, maybe others have experience in purchasing imported devices, how the support works? If it has problem, we send it back to US service centres, right? Will they have no issues send back to Canadian address? How to avoid paying custom tax and fee each way (from Canada to US and from US to Canada)? Thanks! -- ____ ____ ____ ____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo /___ /___/ /___/ /___ http://www.arifsaha.com/ ____/ / / / ____/ ** Happy New Year! Felix dies Nativitatis! http://advent2009.com/ ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 22:11:13 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:11:13 -0500 Subject: Looking for speakers on High Performance Computing at GTALUG In-Reply-To: <20100125213201.GH26872-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100125212600.GF26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100125213201.GH26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 04:28:52PM -0500, Myles Braithwaite wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Lennart Sorensen >> wrote: >> > Please tell me you meant s/Distrusted/Distributed/g. >> >> *Blow face in shame* Yes.. Would you like to do the talk on >> Distributed Programming? Actually, I really liked that substitution! It seems mighty evocative to me of some of the troublesome aspects of it :-). > I wouldn't consider myself qualified for it. ?I know in involves openMPI > and such, but I haven't done any. ?I do love those systems though. > > I am still wondering what a distrusted filesystem would be like. ?Does the > application have to assume the filesystem can't be trusted and add all > sorts of redundancy, error correction and checksums itself? I presume that he meant "distributed filesystem" here, as well, which would mean stuff like: - Lustre - GFS, GFS2 - OCFS These are all ways of combining bunches of disks to implement a single filesystem. There is, of course, the alternative view of DFS, where the notion is that you might multiple instances of the *user* perspective of a filesystem, as with: - Coda - InterMezzo - AFS The cool bit with Coda (which I'm pretty sure also applies to InterMezzo) was that you could mount your user's filesystem, have it cache the contents, and then you could take your laptop for a walk, making changes locally, and having them get pushed to other copies when you reconnect. But that's quite a different view, and I believe interest in this has considerably flagged. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Pablo Picasso - "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 22:37:32 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:37:32 -0500 Subject: Looking for speakers on High Performance Computing at GTALUG In-Reply-To: <4B5E12A6.6070406-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100125212600.GF26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100125213201.GH26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B5E12A6.6070406@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20100125223732.GJ26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 04:52:38PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 04:28:52PM -0500, Myles Braithwaite wrote: >>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Lennart Sorensen >>> wrote: >>>> Please tell me you meant s/Distrusted/Distributed/g. >>> *Blow face in shame* Yes.. Would you like to do the talk on >>> Distributed Programming? >> >> I wouldn't consider myself qualified for it. I know in involves openMPI >> and such, but I haven't done any. I do love those systems though. >> >> I am still wondering what a distrusted filesystem would be like. Does the >> application have to assume the filesystem can't be trusted and add all >> sorts of redundancy, error correction and checksums itself? > > It depends on how many systems and of what kind are accessing the shared > drive. The simplest is DRBD which can be thought of as RAID 1 over > ethernet. It handles locking at the (virtual) block layer. Once setup, > it can be used as a normal block device with the main requirement being > that the FS is journaled. Ideally, you'd use something like LVM in > cluster aware mode if you want to run in Master/Master. > > It really depends on how you want to approach it and what you are trying > to accomplish. Read the message again _carefully_. Note the spelling. I know how distributed filesystems work. It's those distrusted filesystems mentioned originally I was pondering. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 22:38:53 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:38:53 -0500 Subject: Looking for speakers on High Performance Computing at GTALUG In-Reply-To: References: <20100125212600.GF26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100125213201.GH26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100125223853.GK26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 05:11:13PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 04:28:52PM -0500, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Lennart Sorensen > >> wrote: > >> > Please tell me you meant s/Distrusted/Distributed/g. > >> > >> *Blow face in shame* Yes.. Would you like to do the talk on > >> Distributed Programming? > > Actually, I really liked that substitution! It seems mighty evocative > to me of some of the troublesome aspects of it :-). > > > I wouldn't consider myself qualified for it. ?I know in involves openMPI > > and such, but I haven't done any. ?I do love those systems though. > > > > I am still wondering what a distrusted filesystem would be like. ?Does the > > application have to assume the filesystem can't be trusted and add all > > sorts of redundancy, error correction and checksums itself? > > I presume that he meant "distributed filesystem" here, as well, which > would mean stuff like: > - Lustre > - GFS, GFS2 > - OCFS I know that's what he meant. I still was wondering what a distrusted filesystem would look like. Perhaps NFS or CIFS would come to mind. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 23:10:11 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:10:11 -0200 Subject: Looking for speakers on High Performance Computing at GTALUG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 18:53, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > Starting in the Spring and ending in the Summer of 2010 GTALUG is > planning on having talks on High Performance Computing (starting with > Madison Kelly on Clustering[1] and ending with Me (Myles Braithwaite > (the current talks coordinator)) on High Performance Websites[2]). We > are looking for presenters who could talk about Distrusted File > Systems, High Availability Databases, and Distrusted Programming. If > you know anyone or are someone please get in touch with me at > me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > > By The way we have an awesome talk on 9th Feb. 2009 on an overview of > the LAMP stack[3] by Khalid Baheyeldin, hope you will be able to make > it to the meeting. Hello, As soon as I am settled in Toronto, I am able to give a speech on stress tests and performance w/ open source tools. It's been a long, long time since my last speech, but, why not? -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 23:28:55 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:28:55 -0500 Subject: The 20 most popular passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:53 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Most humans cannot remmeber a large collection of distict strong > passwords. ?Expecting them to do so is just stupid. ?Mocking them for > failing is rude: the fault is in the system designers. Indeed. On the one hand, I'd commend the idea of using a password manager like PasswordSafe, KeePass, or such, to generate and manage the hordes of dumb little web application passwords that you get. If you're just copying-and-drooling the password into place, it really isn't important for it to be memorable. And it's notably Good Practice to use a different password for each distinct eCommerce site - that way if someone steals their plaintext database of usernames and passwords, the Evil Hackers won't be able to use your Buy.com password to set up purchases elsewhere, or to get into your bank account. But, on the other hand, you do need to have a reasonably secure password on your "Password Safe," and it's not an improvement to security if you force people to remember a password that that, if it is required to be so long/weirdly-policied that challenges their cognitive abilities (and this IS NOT a statement that they're dumb!), and they can't remember it. And therefore write it on the infamous PostIt! note :-(. There are entertaining answers out there, here and there; I have heard tell of "seriously secure" military sites where they have entertaining physical tokens: A reasonably tamper-resistant token, way too large to fit into a pocket, generally chained to the desk, having a Very Long Password written on it. - Intentionally, the password's too long for anyone that they hire to remember (e.g. - 256 chars long, or such). - They can't carry it out - armed guards prevent that, and the large size of the token makes it impractical to hide. - No pencils or pens allowed, so they can't write it down. This sort of approach would quite likely be useful for a Certificate Authority wanting to claim "Serious Security." But it is, of course, useless to the usual home user. I'm not sure what to systematically recommend, aside from some bits of wisdom that don't necessarily scale :-(. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Jonathan Swift - "May you live every day of your life." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/jonathan_swift.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 23:37:44 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:37:44 -0500 Subject: Looking for speakers on High Performance Computing at GTALUG In-Reply-To: <20100125223853.GK26872-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100125212600.GF26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100125213201.GH26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100125223853.GK26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I know that's what he meant. ?I still was wondering what a distrusted > filesystem would look like. ?Perhaps NFS or CIFS would come to mind. :) There has been some ongoing discussion of this with respect to PostgreSQL. This has been on the ToDo list for some time, with discussion as recent as last month. Add optional CRC checksum to heap and index pages One difficulty is how to prevent hint bit changes from affecting the computed CRC checksum. http://archives.postgresql.org/message-id/19934.1226601952%40sss.pgh.pa.us http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2008-10/msg00002.php http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2008-10/msg01028.php http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2008-11/msg00524.php http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2008-12/msg01101.php http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2009-12/msg00011.php The discussion hasn't settled into offering much of a way to *implement* checksums to get real use out of them yet. Indeed, it has had a tendency towards circular arguments, from one perspective or another: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2009-12/msg00042.php I'm not quite certain I properly understand what a "Torn Page" is :-0 -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Samuel Goldwyn - "I'm willing to admit that I may not always be right, but I am never wrong." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/samuel_goldwyn.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 25 23:41:59 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:41:59 -0500 Subject: Looking for speakers on High Performance Computing at GTALUG In-Reply-To: References: <20100125212600.GF26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100125213201.GH26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100125223853.GK26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100125234159.GL26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 06:37:44PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > I know that's what he meant. ?I still was wondering what a distrusted > > filesystem would look like. ?Perhaps NFS or CIFS would come to mind. :) > > There has been some ongoing discussion of this with respect to PostgreSQL. > > This has been on the ToDo list for some time, with discussion as > recent as last month. > > Add optional CRC checksum to heap and index pages > One difficulty is how to prevent hint bit changes from affecting the > computed CRC checksum. > http://archives.postgresql.org/message-id/19934.1226601952%40sss.pgh.pa.us > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2008-10/msg00002.php > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2008-10/msg01028.php > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2008-11/msg00524.php > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2008-12/msg01101.php > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2009-12/msg00011.php > > The discussion hasn't settled into offering much of a way to > *implement* checksums to get real use out of them yet. Indeed, it has > had a tendency towards circular arguments, from one perspective or > another: > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2009-12/msg00042.php > > I'm not quite certain I properly understand what a "Torn Page" is :-0 I guess this is why Oracle is sponsoring the development of BTRFS. A filesystem with block checksuming would make the database much more likely to trust the storage device. Online fsck would also help uptimes. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 00:36:56 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:36:56 -0500 Subject: Looking for speakers on High Performance Computing at GTALUG In-Reply-To: <20100125223732.GJ26872-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100125212600.GF26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100125213201.GH26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B5E12A6.6070406@alteeve.com> <20100125223732.GJ26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B5E3928.9090707@alteeve.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 04:52:38PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 04:28:52PM -0500, Myles Braithwaite wrote: >>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Lennart Sorensen >>>> wrote: >>>>> Please tell me you meant s/Distrusted/Distributed/g. >>>> *Blow face in shame* Yes.. Would you like to do the talk on >>>> Distributed Programming? >>> I wouldn't consider myself qualified for it. I know in involves openMPI >>> and such, but I haven't done any. I do love those systems though. >>> >>> I am still wondering what a distrusted filesystem would be like. Does the >>> application have to assume the filesystem can't be trusted and add all >>> sorts of redundancy, error correction and checksums itself? >> It depends on how many systems and of what kind are accessing the shared >> drive. The simplest is DRBD which can be thought of as RAID 1 over >> ethernet. It handles locking at the (virtual) block layer. Once setup, >> it can be used as a normal block device with the main requirement being >> that the FS is journaled. Ideally, you'd use something like LVM in >> cluster aware mode if you want to run in Master/Master. >> >> It really depends on how you want to approach it and what you are trying >> to accomplish. > > Read the message again _carefully_. Note the spelling. > > I know how distributed filesystems work. It's those distrusted > filesystems mentioned originally I was pondering. > Lol! I is tired. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 01:38:30 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:38:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: virtualization and USB In-Reply-To: <1264444381.2489.16.camel@jimslaptop> References: <1264444381.2489.16.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <503301.78171.qm@web110813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hmm, I'm using lastest free download VirtualBox-3.1.2-r56127, and I can use USB keyboard/mouse, and USB stick. Regarding KVM vs VirtualBox... they're about the same, with VirtualBox having better video/mouse, but only because you install "Guest Additions" in the guest OS. I guess KVM would be just as fast, if it had such accelerated drivers. No comment on VMware, because I haven't been able to run it. Most people running VMware runs it on Windows native OS, and then Windows/Linux guest OS underneath. -- William ----- Original Message ---- > From: jim > To: "tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org" > Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 1:33:01 PM > Subject: [TLUG]: virtualization and USB > > Hi, > I'm thinking of setting up a Virtual Machine but wondering if anyone has > any suggestions/opinions on how I should go. I installed the open source > version of VirtualBox then realized it didn't support USB , only the > enterprise version. I don't mind paying the $50.00 if the USB > functionality works. I'd be using Windows 7 as a guest. Also I would > want to use Bluetooth on the guest. The USB devices I would be using are > printers and some FTDI based devices ie. USB to Serial etc. Just > wondering if people think KVM would be better or VMWare or stick with > VirtualBox. Any thoughts? > Thanks, > > Jim __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 02:01:45 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:01:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: S P Arif Sahari Wibowo | Do you know in the case Newegg Canada listed an item, is there any chance the | item will actually send from the US and we may have to pay custom tax and fee | on it? I think that there is a 100% chance that it will be sent from the US. But they do all the customs, PST, and GST collecting. So the price they quote is accurate (with PST and GST added afterwards, as usual). Interestingly, they list the PST + GST as a handling charge. Even when the item is listed as having "free shipping". -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 03:01:28 2010 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:01:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: virtualization and USB In-Reply-To: <503301.78171.qm-XyciXz+oX7j6X00i2u5GFvu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <503301.78171.qm@web110813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <446856.44147.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 1/25/10, William Park wrote: > From: William Park > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: virtualization and USB > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Monday, January 25, 2010, 8:38 PM > Hmm, I'm using lastest free download > VirtualBox-3.1.2-r56127, and I can > use USB keyboard/mouse, and USB stick. > > Regarding KVM vs VirtualBox... they're about the same, with > VirtualBox > having better video/mouse, but only because you install > "Guest Additions" > in the guest OS. I guess KVM would be just as fast, > if it had such > accelerated drivers. > > No comment on VMware, because I haven't been able to run > it. Most people > running VMware runs it on Windows native OS, and then > Windows/Linux > guest OS underneath. > > -- > William > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: jim > > To: "tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org" > > Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 1:33:01 PM > > Subject: [TLUG]: virtualization and USB > > > > Hi, > > I'm thinking of setting up a Virtual Machine but > wondering if anyone has > > any suggestions/opinions on how I should go. I > installed the open source > > version of VirtualBox then realized it didn't support > USB , only the > > enterprise version. I don't mind paying the $50.00 if > the USB > > functionality works. I'd be using Windows 7 as a > guest. Also I would > > want to use Bluetooth on the guest. The USB devices I > would be using are > > printers and some FTDI based devices ie. USB to Serial > etc. Just > > wondering if people think KVM would be better or > VMWare or stick with > > VirtualBox. Any thoughts? > > Thanks, > > > > Jim > > I think VMware (VMWare-server 2) will have better USB device support than VirtualBox (the open source version). With VirtualBox you can connect USB memory but I wasn't able to make a webcam work. May be the paid version has better device support. EK > > __________________________________________________________________ > Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new > Internet Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for > Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 03:33:54 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:33:54 -0200 Subject: The 20 most popular passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 18:53, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Gary Layng > > | http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=5325&tag=trunk;content > > Nice. > > I've very impressed that 123456 is almost four times as popular as > 12345 (which is just slightly ahead of 123456789). > > They don't tell you how many distinct passwords were used so the > absolute number of users of these common passwrds isn't as meaningful > as it might be. > > The top 5000 passwrdw are used by 20% of the users. > > I'm surprised that iloveyou(5), princess(6), and babygirl(13) are as > high as they are. ?Perhaps something to do with the subject matter of > rockyou.com (whatever that is). > > Most humans cannot remmeber a large collection of distict strong > passwords. ?Expecting them to do so is just stupid. ?Mocking them for > failing is rude: the fault is in the system designers. I used to have passwords generated from serial numbers from easy to find objects around me, like my air conditioning unit, an old monitor. Looking around my workplace helps remembering without having to writing them down. Serial numbers are nice, big, and have both numbers and letters. And usually don't mean anything. But lately due to security policies I have been using randomly generated passwords by pwgen. It supposedly gives you pronounceable passwords. I find them easier to memorize, so I use them. I'm kinda psycho with passwords, I have more than 10 different. -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 03:39:00 2010 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:39:00 -0500 Subject: The 20 most popular passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201001252239.00877.dbmacg@look.ca> While we are all dumping on our end-users, it is worth remembering that this whole thing came about because some IT bozos were keeping user passwords in PLAIN TEXT. How stupid is that? Duncan On January 25, 2010 06:28:55 pm you wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:53 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > Most humans cannot remmeber a large collection of distict strong > > passwords. Expecting them to do so is just stupid. Mocking them for > > failing is rude: the fault is in the system designers. > > Indeed. > > On the one hand, I'd commend the idea of using a password manager like > PasswordSafe, KeePass, or such, to generate and manage the hordes of > dumb little web application passwords that you get. > > If you're just copying-and-drooling the password into place, it really > isn't important for it to be memorable. And it's notably Good > Practice to use a different password for each distinct eCommerce site > - that way if someone steals their plaintext database of usernames and > passwords, the Evil Hackers won't be able to use your Buy.com password > to set up purchases elsewhere, or to get into your bank account. > > But, on the other hand, you do need to have a reasonably secure > password on your "Password Safe," and it's not an improvement to > security if you force people to remember a password that that, if it > is required to be so long/weirdly-policied that challenges their > cognitive abilities (and this IS NOT a statement that they're dumb!), > and they can't remember it. And therefore write it on the infamous > PostIt! note :-(. > > There are entertaining answers out there, here and there; I have heard > tell of "seriously secure" military sites where they have entertaining > physical tokens: > > A reasonably tamper-resistant token, way too large to fit into a > pocket, generally chained to the desk, having a Very Long Password > written on it. > > - Intentionally, the password's too long for anyone that they hire to > remember (e.g. - 256 chars long, or such). > - They can't carry it out - armed guards prevent that, and the large > size of the token makes it impractical to hide. > - No pencils or pens allowed, so they can't write it down. > > This sort of approach would quite likely be useful for a Certificate > Authority wanting to claim "Serious Security." But it is, of course, > useless to the usual home user. > > I'm not sure what to systematically recommend, aside from some bits of > wisdom that don't necessarily scale :-(. > -- Duncan MacGregor -- Toronto -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 11:07:40 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:07:40 -0200 Subject: Looking for speakers on High Performance Computing at GTALUG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know if this applies, but I can talk about building scalable systems on Amazon EC2. Me and Renata will be already in Toronto by the Summer. []s FZero On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 18:53, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > Starting in the Spring and ending in the Summer of 2010 GTALUG is > planning on having talks on High Performance Computing (starting with > Madison Kelly on Clustering[1] and ending with Me (Myles Braithwaite > (the current talks coordinator)) on High Performance Websites[2]). We > are looking for presenters who could talk about Distrusted File > Systems, High Availability Databases, and Distrusted Programming. If > you know anyone or are someone please get in touch with me at > me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > > By The way we have an awesome talk on 9th Feb. 2009 on an overview of > the LAMP stack[3] by Khalid Baheyeldin, hope you will be able to make > it to the meeting. > > [1]: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Meetings:2010-05 "11 May, 2010" > [2]: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Meetings:2010-09 "14 September, 2010" > [3]: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Meetings:2010-02 "9 February, 2010" > > -- > Myles Braithwaite > me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > http://mylesbraithwaite.com > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 11:11:08 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:11:08 -0200 Subject: virtualization and USB In-Reply-To: <1264444381.2489.16.camel@jimslaptop> References: <1264444381.2489.16.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: Besides the VirtualBox OSE there's also the free-as-in-beer package which supports USB just fine. You dont need to buy Enterprise for that. http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads FZ On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 16:33, jim wrote: > Hi, > I'm thinking of setting up a Virtual Machine but wondering if anyone has > any suggestions/opinions on how I should go. I installed the open source > version of VirtualBox then realized it didn't support USB , only the > enterprise version. I don't mind paying the $50.00 if the USB > functionality works. I'd be using Windows 7 as a guest. Also I would > want to use Bluetooth on the guest. The USB devices I would be using are > printers and some FTDI based devices ie. USB to Serial etc. Just > wondering if people think KVM would be better or VMWare ?or stick with > VirtualBox. Any thoughts? > Thanks, > > Jim > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 14:01:01 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:01:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Looking for speakers on High Performance Computing at GTALUG In-Reply-To: <20100125212600.GF26872-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100125212600.GF26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Jan 2010, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 03:53:48PM -0500, Myles Braithwaite wrote: >> are looking for presenters who could talk about Distrusted File >> Systems, High Availability Databases, and Distrusted Programming. If >> you know anyone or are someone please get in touch with me at >> me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > > Please tell me you meant s/Distrusted/Distributed/g. I don't know. I've certainly distrusted some distributed & clustered filesystems :) Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org IRC: Solver Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 14:09:43 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:09:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Looking for speakers on High Performance Computing at GTALUG In-Reply-To: References: <20100125212600.GF26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100125213201.GH26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Jan 2010, Christopher Browne wrote: > I presume that he meant "distributed filesystem" here, as well, which > would mean stuff like: > - Lustre > - GFS, GFS2 > - OCFS Of course there is a distinction between a distributed filesystem and a clustered filesystem. The latter two are clustered filesystems. Network filesystems are different again of course. Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org IRC: Solver Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rjh-tkNKonCg4laeFQavDyXPBQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 14:28:35 2010 From: rjh-tkNKonCg4laeFQavDyXPBQ at public.gmane.org (Robin Humble) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:28:35 -0500 Subject: Looking for speakers on High Performance Computing at GTALUG In-Reply-To: References: <20100125212600.GF26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100125213201.GH26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100126142835.GB11887@grizzly.cita.utoronto.ca> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 09:09:43AM -0500, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jan 2010, Christopher Browne wrote: >> I presume that he meant "distributed filesystem" here, as well, which >> would mean stuff like: >> - Lustre >> - GFS, GFS2 >> - OCFS - GPFS - CXFS - pNFS (still vapourware?) where Lustre and GPFS (IBM proprietary) are probably the only two that are used in large scale HPC 'cos they're the only ones that scale to 1000's of clients and beyond. > Of course there is a distinction between a distributed filesystem and a > clustered filesystem. The latter two are clustered filesystems. meaning block based shared SAN style storage only? > Network filesystems are different again of course. and now you're just deliberately trying to be confusing... ;-) there's also appliance-like gizmos such as - BlueARC - NetApp - EMC but I don't know enough about them to say which categories they fit into. they're generally too expensive for us cheapskates in HPC anyway. cheers, robin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 14:29:33 2010 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:29:33 -0500 Subject: The 20 most popular passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100126092933.a1e65428.hgibson@eol.ca> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:33:54 -0200 Renata Rocha wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 18:53, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > | From: Gary Layng > > > > | http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=5325&tag=trunk;content > > > > Nice. > > > > I've very impressed that 123456 is almost four times as popular as > > 12345 (which is just slightly ahead of 123456789). According to Out Of The Inner Circle by Bill Landreth, published 1985, the most popular passwords then were SEX, SECRET and PASSWORD. Evidently, PASSWORD has staying power. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 14:41:57 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:41:57 -0800 Subject: virtualization and USB In-Reply-To: References: <1264444381.2489.16.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001260641g3f57cd8cs39a8fc007908cea0@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:11 AM, Fabio FZero wrote: > Besides the VirtualBox OSE there's also the free-as-in-beer package > which supports USB just fine. You dont need to buy Enterprise for > that. > > http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads > > FZ > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 16:33, jim wrote: >> Hi, >> I'm thinking of setting up a Virtual Machine but wondering if anyone has >> any suggestions/opinions on how I should go. I installed the open source >> version of VirtualBox then realized it didn't support USB , only the >> enterprise version. I don't mind paying the $50.00 if the USB >> functionality works. I'd be using Windows 7 as a guest. Also I would >> want to use Bluetooth on the guest. The USB devices I would be using are >> printers and some FTDI based devices ie. USB to Serial etc. Just >> wondering if people think KVM would be better or VMWare ?or stick with >> VirtualBox. Any thoughts? >> Thanks, >> >> Jim >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > I was wondering about this myself. Unless you're using VirtualBox in a commercial environment, you should be fine to use the non-OSE version by adding their repository or downloading the appropriate binary package from virtualbox.org. Even at work, you can download it for evaluation and make sure everything works for you. As per the license: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VirtualBox_PUEL You can use it free for: Personal, Product Evaluation, or Academic Use I've found that vBox is a LOT nicer to use than VMWare, especially modern versions. With the new VMWare versions you need to use the irritating web-client (the console app on longer works), which on my box does fun things like stealing my cursor or locking my control/shift keys. VirtualBox on the other hand works nicely via either the UI, or (generally once you've set something up in the UI once) via commandline from VBoxManage or VBoxHeadless Two of the things I really like about VirtualBox vs VMware are a) The ability to connect via RDP to the MV itself, so you can see the boot process b) The ability to connect (via rdesktop-vrdp, possibly mstsc) USB devices to your local computer and have them usable on the remote machine, like thumb drives, dongles, etc It also seems to get regular updates. It's a fairly active project. At the moment I'm still using the free/binary version, but even if they starting charging for it I'd likely be willing to pay. The only thing I'm *really* waiting on at this point is better directX support so I can play my old windows games, but for most uses this probably isn't too much of an issue. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 14:51:42 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:51:42 -0800 Subject: The 20 most popular passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a97ef1001260651w2731683fl626014b2c405e041@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Gary Layng wrote: > These define the term, "PEBCAK error". > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=5325&tag=trunk;content > > The most popular password, according to ZDNet's sources: 123456 > > If your name is Nicole, Daniel, Jessica, Michael and Ashley, chances are real > good you're an idiot. ?Those names are all passwords on the Top 20 list. > > > -- > Stephen Fry: > > It is not science that is arrogant: science can be defined as ?humility before > the facts? ? it is those who refuse to submit to testing and make > unsubstantiated claims that are arrogant. Arrogant and unjust. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > That's that the same password I have on my luggage!!! Actually in many cases where people use names for passwords, I've found that it's not their own name so much as their children or other relatives. Still easy to guess, but not quite as dumb as using your own name. Then again, given that most companies use the old "mother's maiden name + birthday" option to reset/change passwords, how much better are most customer service depts? A lot apps nowadays at least have (or should have) a quick sanity check equivalent to: return $username eq $password ? 0 : 1; To catch other dumb ones without a cracklib to reference...: case $password: "$username": "$firstname": "$lastname": "$firstnamelastname": "$firstname lastname": print "This password is easily guessed and not secure, please try another"; return 0; ;; default: return 1: ;; esac -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 15:57:17 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:57:17 -0500 Subject: The 20 most popular passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100126155717.GM26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 01:33:54AM -0200, Renata Rocha wrote: > I used to have passwords generated from serial numbers from easy to > find objects around me, like my air conditioning unit, an old monitor. > Looking around my workplace helps remembering without having to > writing them down. > > Serial numbers are nice, big, and have both numbers and letters. And > usually don't mean anything. > > But lately due to security policies I have been using randomly > generated passwords by pwgen. It supposedly gives you pronounceable > passwords. I find them easier to memorize, so I use them. > > I'm kinda psycho with passwords, I have more than 10 different. Well counting all the websites around which need accounts, I am sure I have hundreds of passwords. Because of the way I make my passwords I can actually figure out most of them without having to try twice. The only problem is sites that insist on telling you rules for what your password must contain. That's just stupid because their restrictions actually makes the password less secure than what I would have used otherwise. If you say one character must be a digit, well that's one character that just reduced from around 90 choices to 10. That's not more secure, that's less secure. And if it means I have to write the password down somewhere because it doesn't necesarily fit my password generating system, then it is even less secure. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 16:27:22 2010 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:27:22 +0000 Subject: The 20 most popular passwords In-Reply-To: <20100126155717.GM26872-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: ,<20100126155717.GM26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: For something like my home network of 4 computers, 4 accounts in each, which are behind a router (Coyote Linux at the moment) with a solid password, do I need to worry about everyone's passwords on their accounts or just the router password? Let's assume here that I'm not worried about securing the individual accounts in the house from each other and the root password is solid. I make my own password very hard to figure out, can't say that I push the issue with everyone else in the house. John. > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:57:17 -0500 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: The 20 most popular passwords > From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 01:33:54AM -0200, Renata Rocha wrote: > > I used to have passwords generated from serial numbers from easy to > > find objects around me, like my air conditioning unit, an old monitor. > > Looking around my workplace helps remembering without having to > > writing them down. > > > > Serial numbers are nice, big, and have both numbers and letters. And > > usually don't mean anything. > > > > But lately due to security policies I have been using randomly > > generated passwords by pwgen. It supposedly gives you pronounceable > > passwords. I find them easier to memorize, so I use them. > > > > I'm kinda psycho with passwords, I have more than 10 different. > > Well counting all the websites around which need accounts, I am sure I > have hundreds of passwords. Because of the way I make my passwords I can > actually figure out most of them without having to try twice. The only > problem is sites that insist on telling you rules for what your password > must contain. That's just stupid because their restrictions actually > makes the password less secure than what I would have used otherwise. > > If you say one character must be a digit, well that's one character > that just reduced from around 90 choices to 10. That's not more secure, > that's less secure. And if it means I have to write the password down > somewhere because it doesn't necesarily fit my password generating system, > then it is even less secure. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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It worked. -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 18:22:45 2010 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:22:45 -0500 Subject: virtualization and USB In-Reply-To: References: <1264444381.2489.16.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <1264530165.3074.3.camel@jimslaptop> > Besides the VirtualBox OSE there's also the free-as-in-beer package > which supports USB just fine. You dont need to buy Enterprise for > that. > > http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads > > FZ Thanks a lot. I guess the version in the Ubuntu repository is the OSE version. Downloading the other version now. Sounds like VirtualBox is the best choice for me at this time. Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 18:28:13 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:28:13 -0800 Subject: virtualization and USB In-Reply-To: <1264530165.3074.3.camel@jimslaptop> References: <1264444381.2489.16.camel@jimslaptop> <1264530165.3074.3.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001261028n715f3515qe1a092b74ddf1f8c@mail.gmail.com> Yup, the one in the repositories is OSE. VirtualBox does have their own repositories too though. I usually just add them to apt so that I get the updates (instructions on site). On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:22 AM, jim wrote: > >> Besides the VirtualBox OSE there's also the free-as-in-beer package >> which supports USB just fine. You dont need to buy Enterprise for >> that. >> >> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads >> >> FZ > Thanks a lot. I guess the version in the Ubuntu repository is the OSE > version. Downloading the other version now. Sounds like VirtualBox is > the best choice for me at this time. > Jim > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 18:44:26 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:44:26 -0800 Subject: The 20 most popular passwords In-Reply-To: References: <20100126155717.GM26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001261044h770470c3v668e246264815220@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Renata Rocha wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 13:57, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: >> The only >> problem is sites that insist on telling you rules for what your password >> must contain. ?That's just stupid because their restrictions actually >> makes the password less secure than what I would have used otherwise > > I tried to register a super safe password for my internet banking last > week. After trying a bunch of effective random safe passwords and > being denied, I tried a ridiculous one. It worked. > > > > -- > Renata Rocha > re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org > http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Ditto. My bank doesn't allow spaces, and I believe it may have also borked at symbols ($@). Alphanumeric only. Glad to see that so many banks are concerned about security. I really wouldn't be surprised to find them saved as plaintext in a DB somewhere... hashes don't really care what goes in them for most unicode stuff. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 19:42:46 2010 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:42:46 -0500 Subject: The 20 most popular passwords In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001261044h770470c3v668e246264815220-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20100126155717.GM26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef1001261044h770470c3v668e246264815220@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5F45B6.7060109@the-wire.com> Tyler Aviss wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Renata Rocha wrote: > Ditto. My bank doesn't allow spaces, and I believe it may have also > borked at symbols ($@). Alphanumeric only. > > Glad to see that so many banks are concerned about security. I really > wouldn't be surprised to find them saved as plaintext in a DB > somewhere... hashes don't really care what goes in them for most > unicode stuff. True, but lots of end-users will be very unaware of what Unicode encoding they're using. Changing code page is the new CapsLock key. Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 19:54:02 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:54:02 -0500 Subject: The 20 most popular passwords In-Reply-To: <4B5F45B6.7060109-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100126155717.GM26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef1001261044h770470c3v668e246264815220@mail.gmail.com> <4B5F45B6.7060109@the-wire.com> Message-ID: <20100126195402.GN26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 02:42:46PM -0500, Mel Wilson wrote: > True, but lots of end-users will be very unaware of what Unicode > encoding they're using. Changing code page is the new CapsLock key. Shouldn't matter since the browser includes codepage info in the data sent, so the server can still deal with it just fine. Now if the user isn't sending the character they think they are sending, well that's just typing the wrong character. Of course the vast majority of users don't use multiple codepages anyhow and never switch. The server still ought to support unicode so it can handle all the characters a user might send. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 20:06:18 2010 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:06:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Options for bridging Linux and Windows filesystems Message-ID: <911915.79043.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi folks, I'm looking for infrastructure options to bridge Windows and Linux filesystems. A summary of some of the features I'd be looking for are: - exporting a Windows file system to Linux - exporting a Linux file system to Windows - compatibility with NFS (ie, some of the file systems I'd like to export to windows may be NFS mounts) A little bit of context about the infrastructure environment: - mix of Windows machines for staff - RHE infrastructure for all of our systems - user accounts managed via Windows DC (ie, only system accts in Linux) - managing authorization to file system resources generally done via Windows DC With my knowledge, Samba seems like a natural fit as a solution to this situation. However, from prior discussions with our infrastructure folks I know there's been some questions regarding Samba being sufficiently secure. Are there any other options I should be looking at? The last time I dealt with Samba was probably '99 or so, I'm sure things have changed since then. Thanks in advance, -Matthew P.S. The NFS-related info I seeked several weeks ago was great, we're now in the process of rolling out NFS v4 as a result! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 21:14:24 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:14:24 -0800 Subject: Options for bridging Linux and Windows filesystems In-Reply-To: <911915.79043.qm-4fJJQiRtypeB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <911915.79043.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001261314p5473a767ga53f9e2953778df1@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Matthew Godycki wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm looking for infrastructure options to bridge Windows and Linux filesystems. > > A summary of some of the features I'd be looking for are: > - exporting a Windows file system to Linux > - exporting a Linux file system to Windows > - compatibility with NFS (ie, some of the file systems I'd like to export > ?to windows may be NFS mounts) > > A little bit of context about the infrastructure environment: > - mix of Windows machines for staff > - RHE infrastructure for all of our systems > - user accounts managed via Windows DC (ie, only system accts in > ?Linux) > - managing authorization to file system resources generally done via Windows DC > > With my knowledge, Samba seems like a natural fit as a solution to this > situation. ?However, from prior discussions with our infrastructure folks I > know there's been some questions regarding Samba being sufficiently > secure. ?Are there any other options I should be looking at? ?The last > time I dealt with Samba was probably '99 or so, I'm sure things have > changed since then. > > Thanks in advance, > -Matthew > > P.S. ?The NFS-related info I seeked several weeks ago was great, we're > now in the process of rolling out NFS v4 as a result! > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Domain logins + group policies don't seem to get along with samba 3.x on anything beyond XP, especially if you have a mixed network. I believe a lot of that is supposed to be fixable with samba4 but I haven't had a chance to play with that just yet. -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 21:21:46 2010 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:21:46 -0500 Subject: Talk January 27th (Wednesday): Bad Budgets, Good Technology Message-ID: <4B5F5CEA.40000@utoronto.ca> For those interested (and able to attend a mid-day talk downtown), John DiMarco will be talking about the experiences of the Computer Science Department at U of T over the past decade. In particular, focusing on dealing with a budget crunch and aging infrastructure by using low-cost commodity hardward and, of course, Linux. http://techknowfile.org/events/bad-budgets-good-technology Date: January 27, 2010 - 11:00am - 12:00pm Location: Galbraith Building, Room 120 Computer Science Research started the twenty-first century with a state-of- the-art networking and storage infrastructure, built out of best-of-breed technology. But as the infrastructure aged, no sufficient source of replacement funds could be found. Even basic maintenance of the existing equipment was becoming difficult. Unless something exceptional could be done, the research mission of the department was in jeopardy. Hear the twists and turns of our ultimately successful endeavour to hold our aging infrastructure together, while simultaneously designing and implementing an new, powerful and innovative networking and storage research computing infrastructure made entirely from low-cost commodity equipment. Cheers, Marcus -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 22:10:12 2010 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:10:12 -0500 Subject: virtualization and USB In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001261028n715f3515qe1a092b74ddf1f8c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1264444381.2489.16.camel@jimslaptop> <1264530165.3074.3.camel@jimslaptop> <3a97ef1001261028n715f3515qe1a092b74ddf1f8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1264543812.2884.27.camel@jimslaptop> > Yup, the one in the repositories is OSE. > VirtualBox does have their own repositories too though. I usually just > add them to apt so that I get the updates (instructions on site). Thanks I added it and was able to get the latest version. Seems to be working quite well. One thing I noticed is at least one program won't work because of my graphics driver. The message says my video drivers didn't install properly or are out of date? I guess VirtualBox installs it's own video driver. Would it work if I installed a real Nvidia driver in it's place? Jim > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:22 AM, jim wrote: > > > >> Besides the VirtualBox OSE there's also the free-as-in-beer package > >> which supports USB just fine. You dont need to buy Enterprise for > >> that. > >> > >> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads > >> > >> FZ > > Thanks a lot. I guess the version in the Ubuntu repository is the OSE > > version. Downloading the other version now. Sounds like VirtualBox is > > the best choice for me at this time. > > Jim > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 22:58:02 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:58:02 -0500 Subject: virtualization and USB In-Reply-To: <1264543812.2884.27.camel@jimslaptop> References: <1264444381.2489.16.camel@jimslaptop> <1264530165.3074.3.camel@jimslaptop> <3a97ef1001261028n715f3515qe1a092b74ddf1f8c@mail.gmail.com> <1264543812.2884.27.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <20100126225802.GO26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 05:10:12PM -0500, jim wrote: > Thanks I added it and was able to get the latest version. Seems to be > working quite well. One thing I noticed is at least one program won't > work because of my graphics driver. The message says my video drivers > didn't install properly or are out of date? I guess VirtualBox installs > it's own video driver. Would it work if I installed a real Nvidia driver > in it's place? No. Virtual machines do NOT provide access to your real video card. At least not yet they don't. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 23:24:14 2010 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:24:14 -0500 Subject: virtualization and USB In-Reply-To: <20100126225802.GO26872-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <1264444381.2489.16.camel@jimslaptop> <1264530165.3074.3.camel@jimslaptop> <3a97ef1001261028n715f3515qe1a092b74ddf1f8c@mail.gmail.com> <1264543812.2884.27.camel@jimslaptop> <20100126225802.GO26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1264548254.3807.16.camel@jimslaptop> > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 05:10:12PM -0500, jim wrote: > > Thanks I added it and was able to get the latest version. Seems to be > > working quite well. One thing I noticed is at least one program won't > > work because of my graphics driver. The message says my video drivers > > didn't install properly or are out of date? I guess VirtualBox installs > > it's own video driver. Would it work if I installed a real Nvidia driver > > in it's place? > > No. Virtual machines do NOT provide access to your real video card. > At least not yet they don't. Thanks Lennart. It's already amazing what they CAN do so ya guess that's asking a bit too much. Jim > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 26 23:48:44 2010 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:48:44 -0500 Subject: Mounting Partitions *inside* a dd Image Message-ID: <4B5F7F5C.4010805@gmail.com> Hello Everyone, I have a disk image which was taken several years ago using "dd". I want to try to recover the data from the image, but I don't want to have to copy it back out to a disk. If I were smart, I could have done dd if=/dev/sda1 of=sda1.img dd if=/dev/sda2 of=sda2.img dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 of=sda-bootsector.img But instead, I did dd if=/dev/sda of=sda.img So now, years later, I've got this blob which I can't quite mount. Does anyone know a trick to mount the partitions inside the image? Thanks, -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 00:13:02 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:13:02 -0500 Subject: Mounting Partitions *inside* a dd Image In-Reply-To: <4B5F7F5C.4010805-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B5F7F5C.4010805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100126191302.8bab0f4a.tleslie@tcn.net> interesting! you are looking for loop back full drive device "thingy" as apposed to mounting as a look back file system. apart from finding a loop back full disk thingy ... the partions within the blob have to be identifiable. now i dont know what fs type you used (and partition type and labels), but perhaps you do. Aside from digging into the specifics of how a particular partition looks, and the partion table, you could experiment on a small unused hard drive, and partition it, say with very small partitions, and then dd it to a file. then go in an change the partion label, (and reformat it) and save, then dd it, then binary diff it, to identify where it segments. if you know the partion label and type info you used on the old one (your blob), you can then do a search for it, and then hopefully you can extract your partition out to a file, that you can then mount with a loop back. also , you can attempt to read the partion table in what you saved away, then use hopefully a byte offset to identify your cut points for the individual partion. This is all doable, hopefully there is an easier way, i wonder if you can just run fdisk on the file somehow to get it to report? having said that, fdisk does print the exact byte offsets for the partitions, so if you can just get a fdisk or equivalent run on your blob. tl On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:48:44 -0500 Mike Kallies wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I have a disk image which was taken several years ago using "dd". I > want to try to recover the data from the image, but I don't want to have > to copy it back out to a disk. > > If I were smart, I could have done > > dd if=/dev/sda1 of=sda1.img > dd if=/dev/sda2 of=sda2.img > dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 of=sda-bootsector.img > > But instead, I did > > dd if=/dev/sda of=sda.img > > So now, years later, I've got this blob which I can't quite mount. > > Does anyone know a trick to mount the partitions inside the image? > > Thanks, > > -Mike > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 00:17:22 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:17:22 -0500 Subject: Mounting Partitions *inside* a dd Image In-Reply-To: <20100126191302.8bab0f4a.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <4B5F7F5C.4010805@gmail.com> <20100126191302.8bab0f4a.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <20100126191722.70596fd8.tleslie@tcn.net> for a laugh i just dd my current flash drive i.e. sda on my system to a file, then fdisk the file, and it worked!!!! it warned i couldnt modify it, but i got my part. details, so run fdisk to get your partition details, then the next step would be to cut those parts out, and -o loop them. tl On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:13:02 -0500 ted leslie wrote: > interesting! > > you are looking for loop back full drive device "thingy" as apposed to mounting > as a look back file system. > > apart from finding a loop back full disk thingy ... > > the partions within the blob have to be identifiable. > now i dont know what fs type you used (and partition type and labels), but perhaps you do. > Aside from digging into the specifics of how a particular > partition looks, and the partion table, > you could experiment on a small unused hard drive, and > partition it, say with very small partitions, > and then dd it to a file. > then go in an change the partion label, (and reformat it) > and save, then dd it, > then binary diff it, to identify where it segments. > if you know the partion label and type info you used on the old one > (your blob), you can then do a search for it, and then hopefully you can > extract your partition out to a file, that you can then mount with a loop back. > also , you can attempt to read the partion table in what you saved away, then > use hopefully a byte offset to identify your cut points for the individual partion. > > This is all doable, hopefully there is an easier way, > > i wonder if you can just run fdisk on the file somehow to get it to report? > having said that, fdisk does print the exact byte offsets for the partitions, > so if you can just get a fdisk or equivalent run on your blob. > > > > > tl > > On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:48:44 -0500 > Mike Kallies wrote: > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I have a disk image which was taken several years ago using "dd". I > > want to try to recover the data from the image, but I don't want to have > > to copy it back out to a disk. > > > > If I were smart, I could have done > > > > dd if=/dev/sda1 of=sda1.img > > dd if=/dev/sda2 of=sda2.img > > dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 of=sda-bootsector.img > > > > But instead, I did > > > > dd if=/dev/sda of=sda.img > > > > So now, years later, I've got this blob which I can't quite mount. > > > > Does anyone know a trick to mount the partitions inside the image? > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Mike > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- > ted leslie > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 02:10:16 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:10:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Mounting Partitions *inside* a dd Image In-Reply-To: <4B5F7F5C.4010805-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B5F7F5C.4010805@gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Mike Kallies | Does anyone know a trick to mount the partitions inside the image? Read "THE LOOP DEVICE" section in mount(8): This type of mount knows about four options, namely loop, offset, size- limit and encryption, that are really options to losetup(8). (These options can be used in addition to those specific to the filesystem type.) So you can mount a lump within your image. How do you find out which offset and size to use? I guess fdisk can help (as Ted suggested). Recommendation: mount read-only. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andrew-vUgxaBqSMS7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 03:36:33 2010 From: andrew-vUgxaBqSMS7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Andrew Heagle) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:36:33 -0500 Subject: Mounting Partitions *inside* a dd Image In-Reply-To: <4B5F7F5C.4010805-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B5F7F5C.4010805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201001262236.33287.andrew@logaan.com> On Tuesday 26 January 2010 18:48:44 Mike Kallies wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I have a disk image which was taken several years ago using "dd". I > want to try to recover the data from the image, but I don't want to have > to copy it back out to a disk. > > If I were smart, I could have done > > dd if=/dev/sda1 of=sda1.img > dd if=/dev/sda2 of=sda2.img > dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 of=sda-bootsector.img > > But instead, I did > > dd if=/dev/sda of=sda.img > > So now, years later, I've got this blob which I can't quite mount. > > Does anyone know a trick to mount the partitions inside the image? > Hi, You can use the kpartx utility. Installed by default on CentOS. Can apt-get it for Ubuntu. Just run `kpartx -av sda.img` (as root) and you should see what the names of the partitions will become (probably /dev/mapper/sda.img[12] If it doesn't use LVM, you can just mount them like a normal disk partition. If a partition uses LVM, you'd have to use vgimport, vgchange to mount the LVs. Regards, Andrew -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 11:41:57 2010 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:41:57 -0500 Subject: OpenID? (was: Re: The 20 most popular passwords) In-Reply-To: <20100126155717.GM26872-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org>; from lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org on Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:57:17 -0500 References: <20100126155717.GM26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100127114157.GA1948@localhost> On Tue Jan 26,2010 10:57:17 AM Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well counting all the websites around which need accounts, I am > sure I have hundreds of passwords. Changing the topic a bit to address this situation, what do you people think about the concept and implementation of OpenID? A few months back, I thought I would try this with a few sites that support it, using my Gmail account. The problem was that some of the sites required my identity URL (e.g. ) instead of just providing a "Google" button to click on. For the life of me, after much searching, investigation and experimenting, I couldn't figure out how to determine what my identity URL for Google should be. I haven't looked into it since. -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 13:04:11 2010 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:04:11 -0500 Subject: GCC question Message-ID: <201001270804.12297.icanprogram@295.ca> I've been trying to cross compile some code for an ARM compliant processor (http://www.plugcomputer.org). The supplied tools seem to work for "hello world" and the various libraries. All I did was to override the CC in my makefiles with the new path to the cross compiler (gcc). However, one of my modules includes and the cross compile toolchain can't find it. My question is since I didn't change anything in the way of environment variables and I didn't run anything like .config or make config, how does this new gcc "know" to look in different places for the headers? ie. sys/wait.h does exist on my box. Thanks in advance for your help. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 13:18:57 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:18:57 -0200 Subject: OpenID? (was: Re: The 20 most popular passwords) In-Reply-To: <20100127114157.GA1948@localhost> References: <20100126155717.GM26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100127114157.GA1948@localhost> Message-ID: I've been using OpenID for some time now, but using phpMyID (self-hosted) as identity provider. There weren't many alternatives at the time - and hey, it still works! http://siege.org/projects/phpMyID/ FZ On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 09:41, Scott Allen wrote: > On Tue Jan 26,2010 10:57:17 AM Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >> Well counting all the websites around which need accounts, I am sure I >> have hundreds of passwords. > > Changing the topic a bit to address this situation, what do you people think > about the concept and implementation of OpenID? > > > > A few months back, I thought I would try this with a few sites that support > it, using my Gmail account. The problem was that some of the sites required > my identity URL (e.g. ) instead of just > providing a "Google" button to click on. For the life of me, after much > searching, investigation and experimenting, I couldn't figure out how to > determine what my identity URL for Google should be. I haven't looked into > it since. > > -- > ** Scott Allen ? scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** > ** ? ? Toronto, Ontario, Canada ? ? ** > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 13:56:55 2010 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:56:55 -0500 Subject: OpenID? (was: Re: The 20 most popular passwords) In-Reply-To: <20100127114157.GA1948@localhost> References: <20100126155717.GM26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100127114157.GA1948@localhost> Message-ID: Use this URL https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id when their is no login button. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Scott Allen wrote: > On Tue Jan 26,2010 10:57:17 AM Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >> Well counting all the websites around which need accounts, I am sure I >> have hundreds of passwords. > > Changing the topic a bit to address this situation, what do you people think > about the concept and implementation of OpenID? > > > > A few months back, I thought I would try this with a few sites that support > it, using my Gmail account. The problem was that some of the sites required > my identity URL (e.g. ) instead of just > providing a "Google" button to click on. For the life of me, after much > searching, investigation and experimenting, I couldn't figure out how to > determine what my identity URL for Google should be. I haven't looked into > it since. > > -- > ** Scott Allen ? scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** > ** ? ? Toronto, Ontario, Canada ? ? ** > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Myles Braithwaite me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org http://mylesbraithwaite.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 14:47:21 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:47:21 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu's default search engine to change in deal with Yahoo Message-ID: <7c50d3571001270647g4dabe01ai96a14f55509d8c84@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone seen this yet, here's a brief excerpt: "Canonical, the company behind the popular Ubuntu Linux distribution, revealed today that it has established a revenue sharing agreement with Yahoo. As part of the deal, the Firefox Web browser that is shipped in Ubuntu will be configured to use Yahoo as the default search engine. "Rick Spencer, the leader of Canonical's desktop team, announced the search engine change today on a public Ubuntu mailing list. The specific terms of the agreement have not been disclosed. According to Spencer, the new default will appear in the development version of the distribution "as soon as reasonably possible" and will be in place in time for Ubuntu 10.04, which is scheduled for release in April. They have not indicated whether the change will be applied retroactively to existing installations of the current stable version, but they have confirmed that it will be changed for existing users who upgrade from the current stable version to 10.04." http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/01/ubuntus-default-search-engine-to-change-in-deal-with-yahoo.ars -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 15:56:23 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:56:23 -0800 Subject: virtualization and USB In-Reply-To: <1264548254.3807.16.camel@jimslaptop> References: <1264444381.2489.16.camel@jimslaptop> <1264530165.3074.3.camel@jimslaptop> <3a97ef1001261028n715f3515qe1a092b74ddf1f8c@mail.gmail.com> <1264543812.2884.27.camel@jimslaptop> <20100126225802.GO26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1264548254.3807.16.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001270756o3efabeffs593cfa257b9a145d@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:24 PM, jim wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 05:10:12PM -0500, jim wrote: >> > Thanks I added it and was able to get the latest version. Seems to be >> > working quite well. One thing I noticed is at least one program won't >> > work because of my graphics driver. The message says my video drivers >> > didn't install properly or are out of date? I guess VirtualBox installs >> > it's own video driver. Would it work if I installed a real Nvidia driver >> > in it's place? >> >> No. ?Virtual machines do NOT provide access to your real video card. >> At least not yet they don't. > > Thanks Lennart. It's already amazing what they CAN do so ya guess that's > asking a bit too much. > > Jim >> > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > It's all a bit convoluted, but makes sense in a way. Basically virtualbox gets a driver for it's "Virtual Video Card" which then through the VM ties into some of the supported features of your host OS's video card/driver. The video support is definitely getting better over time though. About a year ago 3d stuff was pretty much non-existent. Then came support for OpenGL, and more recently some experiment support for some of the D3D functions. I'm hoping by the next release the D3D stuff will be good enough for some of my old windows games :-) To get all the extra features like integrated mouse support (you can move your mouse over the VM and have it "just work" without needing all that right-CTRL capture/uncapture annoyance), clipboard sharing and/or the experimental video stuff, install the guest additions from bottom option of the vbox "Devices" menu after your windows VM has loaded. It'll pop up guest additions as if the CD-ROM had been inserted, and install a bunch of helpful drivers/software. Hopefully it'll help whatever app you're having issues with too. ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 15:58:12 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:58:12 -0800 Subject: Mounting Partitions *inside* a dd Image In-Reply-To: <4B5F7F5C.4010805-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B5F7F5C.4010805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001270758h372d633dq6780188a61b8f2da@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Mike Kallies wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I have a disk image which was taken several years ago using "dd". ?I > want to try to recover the data from the image, but I don't want to have > to copy it back out to a disk. > > If I were smart, I could have done > > ?dd if=/dev/sda1 of=sda1.img > ?dd if=/dev/sda2 of=sda2.img > ?dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 of=sda-bootsector.img > > But instead, I did > > ?dd if=/dev/sda of=sda.img > > So now, years later, I've got this blob which I can't quite mount. > > Does anyone know a trick to mount the partitions inside the image? > > Thanks, > > -Mike > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Can VM's read from DD disk images? I know VBox can read some other formats (VMX etc), and/or create a virtual-disk that associates with a physical one, so maybe there's some way to access it inside a VM? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 16:02:10 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:02:10 -0800 Subject: Ubuntu's default search engine to change in deal with Yahoo In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571001270647g4dabe01ai96a14f55509d8c84-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571001270647g4dabe01ai96a14f55509d8c84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001270802k140f27f1y1dcc4fdf6b296e2d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Has anyone seen this yet, here's a brief excerpt: > > "Canonical, the company behind the popular Ubuntu Linux distribution, > revealed today that it has established a revenue sharing agreement > with Yahoo. As part of the deal, the Firefox Web browser that is > shipped in Ubuntu will be configured to use Yahoo as the default > search engine. > > "Rick Spencer, the leader of Canonical's desktop team, announced the > search engine change today on a public Ubuntu mailing list. The > specific terms of the agreement have not been disclosed. According to > Spencer, the new default will appear in the development version of the > distribution "as soon as reasonably possible" and will be in place in > time for Ubuntu 10.04, which is scheduled for release in April. They > have not indicated whether the change will be applied retroactively to > existing installations of the current stable version, but they have > confirmed that it will be changed for existing users who upgrade from > the current stable version to 10.04." > > http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/01/ubuntus-default-search-engine-to-change-in-deal-with-yahoo.ars > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > There seems to be a really big push against google search lately. MS teaming up with apple, etc. As for myself, I *prefer* google, so Canonical can go do whatever they want, I'll just change it back. Not really a big issue unless they're forcing yahoo and removing other options -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 16:27:08 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:27:08 -0200 Subject: Mounting Partitions *inside* a dd Image In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001270758h372d633dq6780188a61b8f2da-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B5F7F5C.4010805@gmail.com> <3a97ef1001270758h372d633dq6780188a61b8f2da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 13:58, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Can VM's read from DD disk images? I know VBox can read some other > formats (VMX etc), and/or create a virtual-disk that associates with a > physical one, so maybe there's some way to access it inside a VM? I know Qemu and Xen can, but I never tried this with Virtualbox. My guess would be yes, since it's a raw disk image. FZ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 16:28:27 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:28:27 -0200 Subject: Ubuntu's default search engine to change in deal with Yahoo In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001270802k140f27f1y1dcc4fdf6b296e2d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571001270647g4dabe01ai96a14f55509d8c84@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1001270802k140f27f1y1dcc4fdf6b296e2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The interesting thing here (and I think this was pointed out on Slashdot) is that Yahoo is now backed by Bing, so basically Microsoft is paying in part for the development of ubuntu. :-) FZ On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 14:02, Tyler Aviss wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: >> Has anyone seen this yet, here's a brief excerpt: >> >> "Canonical, the company behind the popular Ubuntu Linux distribution, >> revealed today that it has established a revenue sharing agreement >> with Yahoo. As part of the deal, the Firefox Web browser that is >> shipped in Ubuntu will be configured to use Yahoo as the default >> search engine. >> >> "Rick Spencer, the leader of Canonical's desktop team, announced the >> search engine change today on a public Ubuntu mailing list. The >> specific terms of the agreement have not been disclosed. According to >> Spencer, the new default will appear in the development version of the >> distribution "as soon as reasonably possible" and will be in place in >> time for Ubuntu 10.04, which is scheduled for release in April. They >> have not indicated whether the change will be applied retroactively to >> existing installations of the current stable version, but they have >> confirmed that it will be changed for existing users who upgrade from >> the current stable version to 10.04." >> >> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/01/ubuntus-default-search-engine-to-change-in-deal-with-yahoo.ars >> >> -- >> Sincerely, >> >> Michael Lauzon >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > There seems to be a really big push against google search lately. MS > teaming up with apple, etc. > As for myself, I *prefer* google, so Canonical can go do whatever they > want, I'll just change it back. Not really a big issue unless they're > forcing yahoo and removing other options > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 16:36:48 2010 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:36:48 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu's default search engine to change in deal with Yahoo In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571001270647g4dabe01ai96a14f55509d8c84-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571001270647g4dabe01ai96a14f55509d8c84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This might have something to do with Google's Chromium OS, Canonical is helping them with development, and there might be some type of legal reason. Or simply Yahoo is paying more. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Has anyone seen this yet, here's a brief excerpt: > > "Canonical, the company behind the popular Ubuntu Linux distribution, > revealed today that it has established a revenue sharing agreement > with Yahoo. As part of the deal, the Firefox Web browser that is > shipped in Ubuntu will be configured to use Yahoo as the default > search engine. > > "Rick Spencer, the leader of Canonical's desktop team, announced the > search engine change today on a public Ubuntu mailing list. The > specific terms of the agreement have not been disclosed. According to > Spencer, the new default will appear in the development version of the > distribution "as soon as reasonably possible" and will be in place in > time for Ubuntu 10.04, which is scheduled for release in April. They > have not indicated whether the change will be applied retroactively to > existing installations of the current stable version, but they have > confirmed that it will be changed for existing users who upgrade from > the current stable version to 10.04." > > http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/01/ubuntus-default-search-engine-to-change-in-deal-with-yahoo.ars > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Myles Braithwaite me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org http://mylesbraithwaite.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tchitow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 16:54:07 2010 From: tchitow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:54:07 -0500 Subject: test Message-ID: <4667ae9d1001270854o34c86849r4ebac2b0809858db@mail.gmail.com> test -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 17:14:11 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:14:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Ubuntu's default search engine to change in deal with Yahoo In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571001270647g4dabe01ai96a14f55509d8c84-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571001270647g4dabe01ai96a14f55509d8c84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Michael Lauzon | "... As part of the deal, the Firefox Web browser that is | shipped in Ubuntu will be configured to use Yahoo as the default | search engine. This is as complicated / weird as the branding of Olympic athletes. As I understand it, Firefox is largely funded by Google in return for Google being the default search engine for Firefox browsers. Now Ubuntu is switching Firefox it ships to Yahoo (Bing?), Ubuntu will get money. Is this instead of Firefox getting money? The article suggests that Ubuntu was already getting money from Google (just not enough) so maybe this does not affect Firefox funding. But wait. Dell's Ubuntu (bundled with vanishingly few products) already used Yahoo and the revenue goes to Dell. Next step: I will sell my desktop search-engine rights. Who will bid the highest? I hope that Firefox continues to have sufficient funding. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 17:31:17 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:31:17 -0800 Subject: Ubuntu's default search engine to change in deal with Yahoo In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3571001270647g4dabe01ai96a14f55509d8c84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001270931t71a9b196p87528c41eda6999@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:14 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Michael Lauzon > > | "... As part of the deal, the Firefox Web browser that is > | shipped in Ubuntu will be configured to use Yahoo as the default > | search engine. > > This is as complicated / weird as the branding of Olympic athletes. > > As I understand it, Firefox is largely funded by Google in return for > Google being the default search engine for Firefox browsers. > > Now Ubuntu is switching Firefox it ships to Yahoo (Bing?), Ubuntu will > get money. ?Is this instead of Firefox getting money? ?The article > suggests that Ubuntu was already getting money from Google (just not > enough) so maybe this does not affect Firefox funding. > > But wait. ?Dell's Ubuntu (bundled with vanishingly few products) > already used Yahoo and the revenue goes to Dell. > > Next step: I will sell my desktop search-engine rights. ?Who will bid > the highest? > > I hope that Firefox continues to have sufficient funding. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Maybe the firefox team will volley back at Ubuntu for modifying their defaults, causing it to be renamed something else. Ice...wea... nah, that would never happen. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 19:15:08 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:15:08 -0500 Subject: Mounting Partitions *inside* a dd Image In-Reply-To: <4B5F7F5C.4010805-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B5F7F5C.4010805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100127191508.GP26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 06:48:44PM -0500, Mike Kallies wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I have a disk image which was taken several years ago using "dd". I > want to try to recover the data from the image, but I don't want to have > to copy it back out to a disk. > > If I were smart, I could have done > > dd if=/dev/sda1 of=sda1.img > dd if=/dev/sda2 of=sda2.img > dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 of=sda-bootsector.img > > But instead, I did > > dd if=/dev/sda of=sda.img > > So now, years later, I've got this blob which I can't quite mount. > > Does anyone know a trick to mount the partitions inside the image? Load the 'loop' module with the max_part option set to something reasonable, then use losetup to connect the file to a loop device and you should get loopXpY for each partition in the image that you can then mount. For backwards compatiblity reasons I belive the loop driver by default doesn't do partitions. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 21:31:29 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:31:29 -0500 Subject: test In-Reply-To: <4667ae9d1001270854o34c86849r4ebac2b0809858db-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4667ae9d1001270854o34c86849r4ebac2b0809858db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/27/10, Martin Duclos wrote: > test Yes, your test message did get out, but what is the issue you wanted to test? Colin McGregor > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 27 23:55:09 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:55:09 -0800 Subject: test In-Reply-To: References: <4667ae9d1001270854o34c86849r4ebac2b0809858db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001271555h6ef5f6f6yf1ee4377f2c65e6b@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > On 1/27/10, Martin Duclos wrote: >> test > > Yes, your test message did get out, but what is the issue you wanted to test? > > Colin McGregor > >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Maybe he wants to test how many people ask what he's trying to test? Could be a social experiment rather than a technical one. Darn that probably means I just fell for it too! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 28 02:32:45 2010 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:32:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Software Developer Changes Career Message-ID: <9265.99.253.254.243.1264645965.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> >From the Star this evening: ============================================================================ Abdelhaleem was among 18 people charged in the summer of 2006 with belonging to a homegrown terror cell, which organized terrorist training camps and planned to blow up buildings. At the time of his arrest, court was told, he was a successful software developer whose last tax filings, in 2003 or 2004, showed an annual income of $375,000. The money, said Abdelhaleem, was spent on ?trips, clothes, everything else you know, drinking, drugs, women.? ============================================================================= Dunno about the rest of TLUG, but this strikes me as an unusually profitable software enterprise... Sure, there are the home-runs out there, but a third of mil per year? Surely that's got to be substantially above average. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 28 02:45:21 2010 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:45:21 -0500 Subject: Managing Computer Systems by Building Your Own Packages Message-ID: <4B60FA41.4040904@utoronto.ca> Date: February 24, 2010 - 11:00am - 12:00pm Location: Galbraith Building, Room 248 Presenter: Alan Rosenthal Most operating systems use "package management" systems for installing software. These packages do not merely list files; they can express a wide variety of system configuration information. Building your own packages is easier than you might think, and can be a powerful way to manage and customize large numbers of computer systems, replacing tools such as cfengine. I build custom Debian packages to do most configuration of almost all of the Debian and Ubuntu machines I manage. In this talk I will tell you how to build your own. Similar approaches can be used with almost any modern computer system. URL: http://techknowfile.org/events/managing-computer-systems-building-your-own-packages -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 28 11:21:03 2010 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:21:03 -0500 Subject: OpenID? (was: Re: The 20 most popular passwords) In-Reply-To: ; from me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org on Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 08:56:55 -0500 References: <20100126155717.GM26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100127114157.GA1948@localhost> Message-ID: <20100128112103.GA9490@localhost> On Wed Jan 27,2010 08:56:55 AM Myles Braithwaite wrote: > Use this URL https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id when their is no > login button. I believe I tried this and couldn't get it to work. As I understand it, a true OpenID URL is unique for each user, just like an e-mail address. For many sites, you already have a username for the site which is different than what is used to identify you at your OpenID provider. The site that you are trying to log in to uses your unique OpenID URL to cross reference to your account for that site. If the URL isn't unique, the site can't do this and thus can't figure out who you are. If I'm wrong about this, can someone tell me how to make the above URL work with ? Anyway, to get around the problem, I decided to get an OpenID from . I haven't had any problems with this one. -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 28 10:40:57 2010 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:40:57 -0500 Subject: test In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001271555h6ef5f6f6yf1ee4377f2c65e6b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>; from tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org on Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 18:55:09 -0500 References: <4667ae9d1001270854o34c86849r4ebac2b0809858db@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1001271555h6ef5f6f6yf1ee4377f2c65e6b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100128104057.GA9368@localhost> On Wed Jan 27,2010 06:55:09 PM Tyler Aviss wrote: > Maybe he wants to test how many people ask what he's trying to test? > Could be a social experiment rather than a technical one. Darn that > probably means I just fell for it too! I didn't. ........... Oops! -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tchitow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 28 12:21:54 2010 From: tchitow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:21:54 -0500 Subject: test In-Reply-To: References: <4667ae9d1001270854o34c86849r4ebac2b0809858db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4667ae9d1001280421h4f537508y22373ada1d54c9d3@mail.gmail.com> I'm moving my e-mail account. I was trying to unsubscribe an e-mail address from the list to subscribe a new one. I wanted to check that the old account didn't get the messages and that the new did. There was no activity on the list at that time... No fancy social experiment this time. Martin On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > On 1/27/10, Martin Duclos wrote: >> test > > Yes, your test message did get out, but what is the issue you wanted to test? > > Colin McGregor > >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 28 12:26:54 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:26:54 -0500 Subject: test In-Reply-To: <4667ae9d1001280421h4f537508y22373ada1d54c9d3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4667ae9d1001270854o34c86849r4ebac2b0809858db@mail.gmail.com> <4667ae9d1001280421h4f537508y22373ada1d54c9d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3571001280426k29103ce6w9af68cb4a0927332@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 07:21, Martin Duclos wrote: > I'm moving my e-mail account. I was trying to unsubscribe an e-mail > address from the list to subscribe a new one. I wanted to check that > the old account didn't get the messages and that the new did. There > was no activity on the list at that time... No fancy social experiment > this time. > > Martin > A sponsored link just showed up in Gmail because of your lastest email, it didn't show up before: "test - www.test.com - this is a test this is a test ad" -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 28 12:31:31 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:31:31 -0200 Subject: Managing Computer Systems by Building Your Own Packages In-Reply-To: <4B60FA41.4040904-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B60FA41.4040904@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: I would *really* like to watch this one, but I'll arrive in Toronto on March 1st. :-/ Does anybody know if they stream or record these talks? On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 00:45, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Date: ?February 24, 2010 - 11:00am - 12:00pm > Location: ?Galbraith Building, Room 248 > Presenter: ?Alan Rosenthal > > Most operating systems use "package management" systems for installing > software. These packages do not merely list files; they can express a > wide variety of system configuration information. Building your own > packages is easier than you might think, and can be a powerful way to > manage and customize large numbers of computer systems, replacing tools > such as cfengine. I build custom Debian packages to do most > configuration of almost all of the Debian and Ubuntu machines I manage. > In this talk I will tell you how to build your own. Similar approaches > can be used with almost any modern computer system. > > URL: > http://techknowfile.org/events/managing-computer-systems-building-your-own-packages > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 28 15:27:26 2010 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:27:26 -0500 Subject: GCC question In-Reply-To: <201001270804.12297.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <201001270804.12297.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <201001281027.26833.icanprogram@295.ca> On Wednesday 27 January 2010 08:04 am, bob 295 wrote: > I've been trying to cross compile some code for an ARM compliant processor > (http://www.plugcomputer.org). The supplied tools seem to work for > "hello world" and the various libraries. All I did was to override the > CC in my makefiles with the new path to the cross compiler (gcc). However, > one of my modules includes and the cross compile toolchain > can't find it. My question is since I didn't change anything in the way of > environment variables and I didn't run anything like .config or make > config, how does this new gcc "know" to look in different places for the > headers? ie. sys/wait.h does exist on my box. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > bob This problem just gets stranger the more I dig. In one of my Google travels someone on the Gentoo forum claimed that ARM architecture doesn't support the wait() functions, so they are not implemented for ARM. As far as I know the use of wait() is the only way to eliminate zombie processes in a forking parent/child architecture. The question I have is why does this process stuff have anything to do with the underlying hardware architecture? If you can't wait() in ARM Linux what do you do to get rid of zombie processes? Thanks in advance for your help. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 28 15:39:47 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:39:47 -0500 Subject: GCC question In-Reply-To: <201001281027.26833.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <201001270804.12297.icanprogram@295.ca> <201001281027.26833.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <20100128153947.GA12871@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:27:26AM -0500, bob 295 wrote: > This problem just gets stranger the more I dig. In one of my Google travels > someone on the Gentoo forum claimed that ARM architecture doesn't support the > wait() functions, so they are not implemented for ARM. As far as I know > the use of wait() is the only way to eliminate zombie processes in a forking > parent/child architecture. > > The question I have is why does this process stuff have anything to do with > the underlying hardware architecture? If you can't wait() in ARM Linux > what do you do to get rid of zombie processes? > > Thanks in advance for your help. Well I certainly don't believe that linux doesn't implement wait. Other OSs might not. Back when I did do work with arm I never ran into anything that didn't just work. It should be no different than any other linux architecture (unless you are doing driver work in the kernel in which case it is way different). I do hope you are using EABI arm (Debian calls it armel). The old ABI is terrible. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 28 16:23:59 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:23:59 -0800 Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001280823v5645a94bi25c8d9dc7a704b12@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 6:01 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: S P Arif Sahari Wibowo > > | Do you know in the case Newegg Canada listed an item, is there any chance the > | item will actually send from the US and we may have to pay custom tax and fee > | on it? > > I think that there is a 100% chance that it will be sent from the US. > But they do all the customs, PST, and GST collecting. ?So the price > they quote is accurate (with PST and GST added afterwards, as usual). > > Interestingly, they list the PST + GST as a handling charge. ?Even > when the item is listed as having "free shipping". > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > I've had stuff come up from the US from them and other eTailers with a Canadian presence, but never been hit with the duties in those cases. If they did ship from the US and nail customers with duties I think that holy hell would break loose, especially since the taxes have already been paid appropriately. What gets me is when I send stuff for repair/replacement in the US. You have to be *really* careful with the return documentation otherwise you might get nicked at customs as if it were a new item instead of returning a repaired item you already paid for. Normally giving the original receipt for sending it to the retailer will it up eventually, but that can take months before you get your money back. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 28 16:55:06 2010 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:55:06 -0500 Subject: GCC question In-Reply-To: <20100128153947.GA12871-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <201001270804.12297.icanprogram@295.ca> <201001281027.26833.icanprogram@295.ca> <20100128153947.GA12871@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <201001281155.08015.icanprogram@295.ca> On Thursday 28 January 2010 10:39 am, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:27:26AM -0500, bob 295 wrote: > > This problem just gets stranger the more I dig. In one of my Google > > travels someone on the Gentoo forum claimed that ARM architecture doesn't > > support the wait() functions, so they are not implemented for ARM. As > > far as I know the use of wait() is the only way to eliminate zombie > > processes in a forking parent/child architecture. > > > > The question I have is why does this process stuff have anything to do > > with the underlying hardware architecture? If you can't wait() in ARM > > Linux what do you do to get rid of zombie processes? > > > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Well I certainly don't believe that linux doesn't implement wait. > Other OSs might not. > > Back when I did do work with arm I never ran into anything that didn't > just work. It should be no different than any other linux architecture > (unless you are doing driver work in the kernel in which case it is > way different). > > I do hope you are using EABI arm (Debian calls it armel). The old ABI > is terrible. Yes it is EABI. I'm with you on the mystery as to why ARM Linux doesn't implement a wait() call. To me that should have nothing to do with the hardware layer and should be in the Linux OS layer. Here is the Gentoo link that made that claim: http://bugs.gentoo.org/213690 Then there is the fact that the cross compiler toolchain I'm using for the plug computer (http://www.plugcomputer.org) doesn't come with , the main header associated with the wait() function family. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 28 21:04:46 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:04:46 -0500 Subject: GCC question In-Reply-To: <201001281155.08015.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <201001270804.12297.icanprogram@295.ca> <201001281027.26833.icanprogram@295.ca> <20100128153947.GA12871@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <201001281155.08015.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <20100128210446.GB12871@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:55:06AM -0500, bob 295 wrote: > Yes it is EABI. > > I'm with you on the mystery as to why ARM Linux doesn't implement a wait() > call. To me that should have nothing to do with the hardware layer and > should be in the Linux OS layer. Here is the Gentoo link that made that > claim: > > http://bugs.gentoo.org/213690 > > Then there is the fact that the cross compiler toolchain I'm using for the > plug computer (http://www.plugcomputer.org) doesn't come with , > the main header associated with the wait() function family. It says waitpid() is not implemented. It does not say wait() isn't implemented. It also says waitpid() is implemented using wait4() using an inline function. By the way x86_64 also does not implement waitpid syscall. It too uses wait4, so it is hardly anything to be concerned about. The gentoo bug was a concern that the 2.4.26 headers incorrectly claimed waitpid() was implemented when it wasn't on arm. Some badly written configure scripts and other code will fail, but that is because they are abusing kernel headers, not because the kernel doesn't work. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 28 22:09:09 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:09:09 -0500 Subject: GCC question In-Reply-To: <201001270804.12297.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <201001270804.12297.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <20100128220909.GA27883@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 08:04:11AM -0500, bob 295 wrote: > I've been trying to cross compile some code for an ARM compliant processor > (http://www.plugcomputer.org). The supplied tools seem to work for "hello > world" and the various libraries. All I did was to override the CC in my > makefiles with the new path to the cross compiler (gcc). However, one of my > modules includes and the cross compile toolchain can't find it. > My question is since I didn't change anything in the way of environment > variables and I didn't run anything like .config or make config, how does > this new gcc "know" to look in different places for the headers? ie. > sys/wait.h does exist on my box. > > Thanks in advance for your help. What can you do with 1 ethernet port and 1 USB? I guess, you can use USB for cd/harddisk/mouse/keyboard. But, what are you doing for video? Even if you use thin-client, you still need to interact with "plug" computer at the server side. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 28 23:04:32 2010 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:04:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: :[OT] US repair / replacement - "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1001280823v5645a94bi25c8d9dc7a704b12-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1001280823v5645a94bi25c8d9dc7a704b12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I've had stuff come up from the US from them and other > eTailers with a Canadian presence, but never been hit with the > duties in those cases. I believe cell-phones have no duties, but should pay taxes (GST and probably PST or HST depend on which province it goes). The issue is whether brokerage fee will be charged. > What gets me is when I send stuff for repair/replacement in > the US. You have to be *really* careful with the return > documentation otherwise you might get nicked at customs as if > it were a new item instead of returning a repaired item you > already paid for. Can you share how to make sure the documentation is proper? Thanks! -- ____ ____ ____ ____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo /___ /___/ /___/ /___ http://www.arifsaha.com/ ____/ / / / ____/ ** Happy New Year! Felix dies Nativitatis! http://advent2009.com/ ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 29 15:11:29 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:11:29 -0800 Subject: :[OT] US repair / replacement - "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1001280823v5645a94bi25c8d9dc7a704b12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1001290711u3708f5d9tf228ef28297d298d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:04 PM, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> >> I've had stuff come up from the US from them and other eTailers with a >> Canadian presence, but never been hit with the duties in those cases. > > I believe cell-phones have no duties, but should pay taxes (GST and probably > PST or HST depend on which province it goes). The issue is whether brokerage > fee will be charged. > >> What gets me is when I send stuff for repair/replacement in the US. You >> have to be *really* careful with the return documentation otherwise you >> might get nicked at customs as if it were a new item instead of returning a >> repaired item you already paid for. > > Can you share how to make sure the documentation is proper? > > Thanks! > > -- > ? ____ ?____ ?____ ?____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo > ?/___ ?/___/ /___/ /___ ? ? ?http://www.arifsaha.com/ > ?____/ / ? ? / ? / ____/ > > ** Happy New Year! Felix dies Nativitatis! http://advent2009.com/ ** > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > In most cases I get the repair-centre to make sure to document the shipment as a "return of repaired item" or something to that effect. Oftimes it may also help to include the shipping/tracking code of when you originally sent it to the shipper. If you still get dinged with duties then showing the original receipt/tracking (for when you sent it in) will usually get your money back, it just takes quite awhile. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 29 16:41:40 2010 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:41:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: SIP dropouts? how do they sound? Message-ID: This may sound odd but I have large banging noises in SIP connections over not so good lines. I thought there should only be drop-outs but it turns out there are huge banging noises when this happens. I have some idea about why this happens but I would like to know what other have seen. Most of the communication is between Linux hosts and SIP softphones on Linux and Windows based remote parties. thanks, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 29 16:59:36 2010 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:59:36 -0500 Subject: SIP dropouts? how do they sound? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92ee967a1001290859y559f05caud091336f0e1c0abb@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Peter wrote: > This may sound odd but I have large banging noises in SIP connections over not > so good lines. I thought there should only be drop-outs but it turns out there > are huge banging noises when this happens. I have some idea about why this > happens but I would like to know what other have seen. Most of the communication > is between Linux hosts and SIP softphones on Linux and Windows based remote > parties. I never had that kind of problem with SIP. I was on Primus (It's not SIP, I know), and also used some of the free SIP (non-landline-connected) services from Windows to Linux and Linux to Linux. I also use SIP daily at the office on dedicated Cisco hardware. Over the Internet, I did get the dropouts. It created a reliability problem and outside of the office, I've never bothered with VoIP over the Internet for serious conversations since. But no banging noises from my experiences, even when lines were intolerably bad. Just lots of cut-outs. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 29 17:07:57 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:07:57 -0500 Subject: SIP dropouts? how do they sound? In-Reply-To: <92ee967a1001290859y559f05caud091336f0e1c0abb-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <92ee967a1001290859y559f05caud091336f0e1c0abb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6315ED.9010507@utoronto.ca> On 01/29/2010 11:59 AM, Mike Kallies wrote: > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Peter wrote: >> This may sound odd but I have large banging noises in SIP connections over not >> so good lines. I thought there should only be drop-outs but it turns out there >> are huge banging noises when this happens. I have some idea about why this >> happens but I would like to know what other have seen. Most of the communication >> is between Linux hosts and SIP softphones on Linux and Windows based remote >> parties. > > I never had that kind of problem with SIP. I was on Primus (It's not > SIP, I know), and also used some of the free SIP > (non-landline-connected) services from Windows to Linux and Linux to > Linux. I also use SIP daily at the office on dedicated Cisco > hardware. > > Over the Internet, I did get the dropouts. It created a reliability > problem and outside of the office, I've never bothered with VoIP over > the Internet for serious conversations since. > > But no banging noises from my experiences, even when lines were > intolerably bad. Just lots of cut-outs. It doesn't sound like the protocol is the problem, more like a codec issue. Try a different one or different bitrate? Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 29 19:49:22 2010 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: SIP dropouts? how do they sound? References: <92ee967a1001290859y559f05caud091336f0e1c0abb@mail.gmail.com> <4B6315ED.9010507@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: I can't choose the protocol the remote pbx wants to see g711u and that's what i am stuck with. The noises seem to depend strongly on the type of remote client but all remote (windows) clients have the problem, linux less so. Certain routes do not have the problem at all. Please tell me that the isp's do not jam sip deliberately ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 29 22:27:54 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:27:54 -0800 Subject: Disabling GPO's on Windows XP (for use with samba) Message-ID: <3a97ef1001291427p3040e64eqe83ad451f2d80cf0@mail.gmail.com> We've been running into an odd issue at work since last summer when various updates were applied (including updating from IE6 to IE7). When a user logs into a workstation, sometimes he/she will end up with missing proxy settings and no ability to hit internet sites outside of the LAN. The login script does properly import proxy settings through the regular policies, however samba3 doesn't support GPO's (Group Policy Objects). It seems that there is a race condition between the machine's default GPO (which has no proxy) and the login script. When certain conditions exist, the GPO is applied after the login script is run, which blows away the proxy settings with blank values. There was a way to disable GPO's via a registry entry, but that apparently doesn't work on production releases HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\System\DisableGPO Does anyone know of another way to disable the GPO's so that XP will play nicely with our samba3 servers and/or login scripts. - TJA -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 30 18:19:22 2010 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:19:22 +0000 Subject: Sharing Partitions Message-ID: I'm about to re-arrange the partitions on my main dual boot PC. I have already shrunk the Vista NTFS partition with gparted (no problems), just need to do redo the linux side of things. I intend to have two or three distros installed and would like to share as many partitions as possible. /home is a natural one to share and I figure that /opt and /usr/local should also be OK. Those are the main ones I'd like to make common to all. I was also wondering about /var (or at least /var/log). Would that be OK to share amongst the distros? I'm thinking /var may cause problems with package management? Any other possibilities? Thanks, any advice would be appreciated. John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 30 19:21:14 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:21:14 -0500 Subject: Sharing Partitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32f6a8881001301121j11008f0fm2f52ec9b87eefb23@mail.gmail.com> Hi, You may want to think about sharing /opt and /usr/local if they contain binaries. If your using multiple distros they may contain different glibc libraries and different library linking depending on how each package management programs were compiled. You may get library linking errors. On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:19 PM, wrote: > I'm about to re-arrange the partitions on my main dual boot PC. I have > already shrunk the Vista NTFS partition with gparted (no problems), just > need to do redo the linux side of things. > > I intend to have two or three distros installed and would like to share as > many partitions as possible. /home is a natural one to share and I figure > that /opt and /usr/local should also be OK. Those are the main ones I'd like > to make common to all. I was also wondering about /var (or at least > /var/log). Would that be OK to share amongst the distros? I'm thinking /var > may cause problems with package management? Any other possibilities? > > Thanks, any advice would be appreciated. > > John. > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 30 19:21:58 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:21:58 -0500 Subject: Sharing Partitions In-Reply-To: <32f6a8881001301121j11008f0fm2f52ec9b87eefb23-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881001301121j11008f0fm2f52ec9b87eefb23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8881001301121n1cdf4c3fmc474b759cb14c047@mail.gmail.com> Well /usr/local and /opt wouldn't be package management it usually should be compiled programs that you did your self or third party binaries but still could cause problems with libraries. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 30 19:44:10 2010 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:44:10 +0000 Subject: Sharing Partitions In-Reply-To: <32f6a8881001301121n1cdf4c3fmc474b759cb14c047-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: ,<32f6a8881001301121j11008f0fm2f52ec9b87eefb23@mail.gmail.com>,<32f6a8881001301121n1cdf4c3fmc474b759cb14c047@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I thought that if I can stay away from distro specific programs in /opt and /usr/local, I would be OK. You're saying not necessarily so. I just didn't want to have to install the same non-packaged program every time I try out a new distro. > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:21:58 -0500 > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Sharing Partitions > From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Well /usr/local and /opt wouldn't be package management it usually > should be compiled programs that you did your self or third party > binaries but still could cause problems > with libraries. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 30 19:53:57 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:53:57 -0500 Subject: Sharing Partitions In-Reply-To: References: <32f6a8881001301121n1cdf4c3fmc474b759cb14c047@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100130195357.GA3926@node1.opengeometry.net> It's best if you keep "system" and "user" data separate. You can just keep the downloaded sources, and install them with the newly installed distro. -- William On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 07:44:10PM +0000, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > I thought that if I can stay away from distro specific programs in > /opt and /usr/local, I would be OK. You're saying not necessarily so. > I just didn't want to have to install the same non-packaged program > every time I try out a new distro. > > > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:21:58 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Sharing Partitions > > From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > > > Well /usr/local and /opt wouldn't be package management it usually > > should be compiled programs that you did your self or third party > > binaries but still could cause problems > > with libraries. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 31 00:07:50 2010 From: fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Salman Ahmed) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:07:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sharing Partitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <598203.71329.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You should be able to share /tmp and the swap partitions without any issues. The /home partition should be OK if both distros assign your users the same uids and gids. The only thing to watch out for is if the version of KDE/Gnome/XFCE/etc is different across the distros, then their metadata directories (like .gnome, .gconf, etc.) may contain data that is not applicable to the distros being shared. -- Salman Ahmed ________________________________ From: "john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org" To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 1:19:22 PM Subject: [TLUG]: Sharing Partitions I'm about to re-arrange the partitions on my main dual boot PC. I have already shrunk the Vista NTFS partition with gparted (no problems), just need to do redo the linux side of things. I intend to have two or three distros installed and would like to share as many partitions as possible. /home is a natural one to share and I figure that /opt and /usr/local should also be OK. Those are the main ones I'd like to make common to all. I was also wondering about /var (or at least /var/log). Would that be OK to share amongst the distros? I'm thinking /var may cause problems with package management? Any other possibilities? Thanks, any advice would be appreciated. John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 31 01:46:38 2010 From: andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Malcolmson) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:46:38 -0500 Subject: OpenID? (was: Re: The 20 most popular passwords) In-Reply-To: <20100128112103.GA9490@localhost> References: <20100126155717.GM26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100127114157.GA1948@localhost> <20100128112103.GA9490@localhost> Message-ID: <1264902398.8869.1357441881@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:21:03 -0500, "Scott Allen" said: > On Wed Jan 27,2010 08:56:55 AM Myles Braithwaite wrote: > > Use this URL https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id when their is no > > login button. > > I believe I tried this and couldn't get it to work. As I understand > it, a true OpenID URL is unique for each user, just like an e-mail > address. For many sites, you already have a username for the site > which is different than what is used to identify you at your OpenID > provider. The site that you are trying to log in to uses your unique > OpenID URL to cross reference to your account for that site. If the > URL isn't unique, the site can't do this and thus can't figure out > who you are. > > If I'm wrong about this, can someone tell me how to make the above > URL work with > > Anyway, to get around the problem, I decided to get an OpenID from > . I haven't had any problems with this one. My id from myopenid.com works reliably but seems not at that Freshmeat login page. Maybe you're supposed to have a pre-existing account that you've associated with an OpenID login. You can get an OpenID identity from Google if you sign up for Google Apps. You need your own domain for this, so this is not OpenID using myname-Re5JQEeQqe9fmgfxC/sS/w at public.gmane.org More on this here: http://code.google.com/intl/es-ES/apis/accounts/docs/OpenID.html FYI: SourceForge accepts OpenID logins here: https://sourceforge.net/account/login.php ------------------- Andrew Malcolmson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 31 13:01:55 2010 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:01:55 -0500 Subject: OpenID? (was: Re: The 20 most popular passwords) In-Reply-To: <1264902398.8869.1357441881-2RFepEojUI2N1INw9kWLP6GC3tUn3ZHUQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>; from andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org on Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 20:46:38 -0500 References: <20100126155717.GM26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100127114157.GA1948@localhost> <20100128112103.GA9490@localhost> <1264902398.8869.1357441881@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20100131130155.GA1891@localhost> On Sat Jan 30,2010 08:46:38 PM Andrew Malcolmson wrote: > My id from myopenid.com works reliably but seems not at that > Freshmeat login page. Maybe you're supposed to have a pre-existing > account that you've associated with an OpenID login. Yes, with Freshmeat you need an existing account. You then log in using the username and password that you created for the account. In your Freshmeat user profile there is a field for your OpenID. This field is used to validate using OpenID and also to associate it with your user name on Freshmeat. This is why the generic Google URL doesn't work. The URL must be unique to you so that Freshmeat can associate it with your personal account. I believe I was able to to discover what my Google/Gmail OpenID URL is. I set up OpenID for my Sourceforge account using the Google button that they provide. My OpenID URL for Google then appeared in my Sourceforge user profile. This URL is very long and cryptic, so I think I'll just stick with using my myopenid.com URL when I need one. Thanks for the reply, Scott -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists