Is this another RIAA or is it legit?
D. Hugh Redelmeier
hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org
Mon Feb 15 19:18:57 UTC 2010
| From: Peter <plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>
| My frustration with paper searches, as well as the frustration of the Cambridge
| scientist who was asked to pay $48 to view his own Creative Commons licensed
| paper some time ago (see Slashdot)
Reference?
| has led me to discover PRISM. Good or evil?
|
| http://www.prismcoalition.org/topics.htm
Nothing there seems to have changed in a while.
Here's a Lessig article on an ongoing attempt to reverse the (US)
NIH's Open Access policy via legislation. An earlier version was
mentioned on prismacoalition.org:
http://www.lessig.org/blog/2009/03/john_conyers_and_open_access.html
| They seem to be strong advocates of selling for good money to the public what
| has been already paid for by said public in the form of taxes, which paid for
| the research, and of said government not interfering in said selling.
This is a complicated topic. Everyone sees things differently. Some
issues:
- the only kind of dead-tree publishing that I know still makes money is
academic publishing. Probably there is money in publishing text
books (a different kind of academic publishing) and legally mandated
documents.
- the sands are shifting under all publishers and they want to hold on
for dear life to anything that looks like it might still work
- As I understand it, academic publishing is done by two kinds of
entities: scholarly societies (eg. ACM, IEEE) and commercial
publishers (eg. Elsevier, Springer, North Holland, Kluwer).
- The commercial publishers are wildly profitable and very
consolidated. The prices for their journals are unreasonable.
- The journals published by scholarly societies are not cheap. At
ACM, some of the revenue from publishing is used to subsidize other
activities. There is a controversy about this now, triggered by ACM
resisting some forms of open access. I pay something like US$100
per year to access ACM journals online (I dropped my paper
subscriptions a couple of years ago).
- my kids don't experience "the literature" the way I did. They seem
to get current things from the arXiv as far as I know. One has a
paper accepted by a Springer journal but still gets to put it on
arXiv. They do require that the arXiv version point to Springer's
version. Apparently university libraries still subscribe.
- peer review is still important and must be preserved. Traditionally
referees don't get paid but I think that editors do; there still are
costs, but they seem minor.
- the real scarcity is of eyeballs. I've seen claims (that I don't
trust) that the average number of readers for a paper is less than
two. For that reason, I do want there to be a merit-based barrier
to publishing in the top tier venues -- otherwise we'll be swamped.
- medical journals have different conflicts of interest. Even more
interesting stories there. For example, Canadian Medical
Association Journal blowing up and many transferring to "Open
Medicine".
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