From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 1 03:00:46 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:00:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux Caffe in * Post Message-ID: I got the free paper "The Bayview Post" delivered today. On page 45 the article "This Latin jazz star's fave 'hood is truly the Pits!" "Sultry songstress Amanda Marinez leads Post City down the smoother side of Christie Pits" The Linux Caffe is their starting point. It is highlycommended, but no computer or computer software is mentioned. "You've got to start out at a place like this one," she says of Linux. [out of context quote about dating!] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 1 03:08:46 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:08:46 -0500 Subject: Another Reason I Love Linux Message-ID: <4B6645BE.2070602@rogers.com> I started using Linux as a router before they became a consumer product. I used Linux as the base of LAMP for my web development. I am using it more for Office work. Now I have MediaTomb running. I can listen to music on both my PS3's accessing my music library from the Linux server. I rip the files in FLAC format and transcode to PCM so the audio quality is as high as it can be. I would do a happy dance if Steve Balmer had not made them embarrassing. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 1 05:31:54 2010 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 00:31:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Another Reason I Love Linux In-Reply-To: <4B6645BE.2070602-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B6645BE.2070602@rogers.com> Message-ID: Yep, it's great. I use my Linux box as a router, mail server, web server (LAMP), and file server. Been using it for years and it has never let me down. > I started using Linux as a router before they became a consumer product. > > I used Linux as the base of LAMP for my web development. > > I am using it more for Office work. > > Now I have MediaTomb running. I can listen to music on both my PS3's > accessing my music library from the Linux server. > > I rip the files in FLAC format and transcode to PCM so the audio quality > is as high as it can be. > > I would do a happy dance if Steve Balmer had not made them embarrassing. > > Stephen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 1 13:52:41 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 08:52:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Another Reason I Love Linux In-Reply-To: References: <4B6645BE.2070602@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Feb 2010, Jason Carson wrote: > Yep, it's great. I use my Linux box as a router, mail server, web server > (LAMP), and file server. Been using it for years and it has never let me > down. It's been 16 years since I started using Linux. I left MS-DOS on the disk for another couple of years so play some games (that wouldn't work in DosEmu) but after a couple of years I reclaimed the space. I haven't regretted my decision once. I am sure that working in the OSS/Linux world has reduced my stress levels as I used to find it stressful when MS would hide system level details from me when I was trying to resolve a problem. In the OSS/Linux world I can dig as deep as I need to, to find out what is going on. Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org IRC: Solver Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 1 16:41:12 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:41:12 -0500 Subject: Home NAS recommendations? Message-ID: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d@mail.gmail.com> I'm looking for a home NAS - essentially I want a glorified hard drive enclosure that has a RJ-45 port on it. Unfortunately, I think that my ideal unit doesn't exist, but I thought I'd ask. I'd like it to hold a single hard drive: dual HDs would mean higher reliability (assuming RAID 0) but also higher cost, higher power consumption, probably more noise ... and I don't need the extra reliability. Here's where it gets interesting though: I'd like it to support NFS, preferably v4. Of course the vast majority of these units are based on Samba, and support only VFAT and Windows-style permissions. I'll live with that if I have to. I have no interest at the moment in building my own out of an old PC. I would have preferred to purchase a Vantec unit as they're recommended here and I've had good experiences with them, but their only NAS unit is IDE only, which strikes me as very odd. Recommendations would be much appreciated. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 1 17:16:34 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:16:34 -0500 Subject: Home NAS recommendations? In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100201171634.GA8161@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 11:41:12AM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > I'm looking for a home NAS - essentially I want a glorified hard drive > enclosure that has a RJ-45 port on it. Unfortunately, I think that my > ideal unit doesn't exist, but I thought I'd ask. I'd like it to hold > a single hard drive: dual HDs would mean higher reliability (assuming > RAID 0) but also higher cost, higher power consumption, probably more > noise ... and I don't need the extra reliability. Here's where it > gets interesting though: I'd like it to support NFS, preferably v4. > Of course the vast majority of these units are based on Samba, and > support only VFAT and Windows-style permissions. I'll live with that > if I have to. I have no interest at the moment in building my own out > of an old PC. NFS and NFS v4 have nothing in common other than a name. NFS v4 is a totally different thing than NFS. Painfully complex to setup and get working. > I would have preferred to purchase a Vantec unit as they're > recommended here and I've had good experiences with them, but their > only NAS unit is IDE only, which strikes me as very odd. > Recommendations would be much appreciated. Hmm, odd. I guess they haven't made any new models in a while. Not that I blame them. I really don't see the point of those devices. How about something like this: http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=010435&cid=NTW.791 4 drive bays, claims NFS and Windows file sharing. http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=027809&cid=NTW.791 4 drive bays I believe, claims CIFS/SMB/AFP/NFS/HTTP/FTP -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 1 17:20:24 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:20:24 -0500 Subject: Sharing Partitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100201172024.GB8161@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 06:19:22PM +0000, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > I'm about to re-arrange the partitions on my main dual boot PC. I have already shrunk the Vista NTFS partition with gparted (no problems), just need to do redo the linux side of things. > > I intend to have two or three distros installed and would like to share as many partitions as possible. /home is a natural one to share and I figure that /opt and /usr/local should also be OK. Those are the main ones I'd like to make common to all. I was also wondering about /var (or at least /var/log). Would that be OK to share amongst the distros? I'm thinking /var may cause problems with package management? Any other possibilities? > > Thanks, any advice would be appreciated. I wouldn't share any of /var. Too messy. How do you make sense of anything if the logs are all mixed up? You can share swap, you can share /home. /usr/local you can do whatever you want and probably the same for /opt (although some package managers on some distributions will install stuff to /opt, so perhaps not). Of course I also don't understand wanting more than one distribution installed. If you want to play with something, use a chroot or a virtual machine. Why reboot your primary system? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 1 17:17:09 2010 From: stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org (Stephen W. Clarke) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:17:09 -0500 Subject: Home NAS recommendations? In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Giles, I've used a Synology Disk Station at home for the last 4 years. It's linux inside and supports NFS. Price point is pretty good too. These are the specs from Synology: http://www.synology.com/us/products/DS110j/spec.php This is the link to the unit for sale through CC http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=027628&cid=NTW.791 Stephen > I'm looking for a home NAS - essentially I want a glorified hard drive > enclosure that has a RJ-45 port on it. Unfortunately, I think that my > ideal unit doesn't exist, but I thought I'd ask. I'd like it to hold > a single hard drive: dual HDs would mean higher reliability (assuming > RAID 0) but also higher cost, higher power consumption, probably more > noise ... and I don't need the extra reliability. Here's where it > gets interesting though: I'd like it to support NFS, preferably v4. > Of course the vast majority of these units are based on Samba, and > support only VFAT and Windows-style permissions. I'll live with that > if I have to. I have no interest at the moment in building my own out > of an old PC. > > I would have preferred to purchase a Vantec unit as they're > recommended here and I've had good experiences with them, but their > only NAS unit is IDE only, which strikes me as very odd. > Recommendations would be much appreciated. > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Stephen W. Clarke Marketing and Communications Officer Nray Services Inc. 56A Head Street Dundas, ON L9H 3H7 CANADA (905) 627-1302 x14 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 1 17:28:36 2010 From: matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Matt Middleton) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:28:36 -0500 Subject: Home NAS recommendations? In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100201122836.tggxyznbuo0oss40@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> If you change your mind about building your own, I've had good luck with FreeNAS - pretty broad FS support, hardware support is decent, and the web interface is ok (could be a little clearer). Quoting Giles Orr : > I'm looking for a home NAS - essentially I want a glorified hard drive > enclosure that has a RJ-45 port on it. Unfortunately, I think that my > ideal unit doesn't exist, but I thought I'd ask. I'd like it to hold > a single hard drive: dual HDs would mean higher reliability (assuming > RAID 0) but also higher cost, higher power consumption, probably more > noise ... and I don't need the extra reliability. Here's where it > gets interesting though: I'd like it to support NFS, preferably v4. > Of course the vast majority of these units are based on Samba, and > support only VFAT and Windows-style permissions. I'll live with that > if I have to. I have no interest at the moment in building my own out > of an old PC. > > I would have preferred to purchase a Vantec unit as they're > recommended here and I've had good experiences with them, but their > only NAS unit is IDE only, which strikes me as very odd. > Recommendations would be much appreciated. > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 1 21:38:32 2010 From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:38:32 -0500 Subject: Wanted: Linux Community Manager Message-ID: Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier, recovering journalist, keynote speaker at Ontario GNU Linux Fest 2009, and until last week, OpenSUSE community manager, has left Novell after two great years. Think you can manage the OpenSUSE community for Novell? Give them a call, they are seeking to fill Zonker's large shoes. http://www.linux.com/distrocentral/distronews/280918:wanted-linux-community-manager -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 1 23:08:51 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:08:51 -0500 Subject: Home NAS recommendations? In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Giles On 1 February 2010 11:41, Giles Orr wrote: > I'm looking for a home NAS - essentially I want a glorified hard drive > enclosure that has a RJ-45 port on it. ?Unfortunately, I think that my > ideal unit doesn't exist, but I thought I'd ask. ?I'd like it to hold > a single hard drive: dual HDs would mean higher reliability (assuming > RAID 0) but also higher cost, higher power consumption, probably more > noise ... and I don't need the extra reliability. ?Here's where it Just be careful with RAID 0. It does not offer any reliability benefit. In fact, if you look at it mathematically, it actually make the system less reliable. What I mean by this is, the more hard disk space you have, the probability of having bad sectors increases. Since that failure can make data in both hard disk unusable, one can deduce that such a system is worse off than with a single hard disk. That explain why ext4 has been deemed insufficient, considering the size of current drives. And that is why btrfs seem to be the only way forward for OSS. ?Even xfs was not designed to sit on large low quality drives. My guess is, you meant to mean RAID 1. Your data is store in two places, so you are better off. RAID 1 do not however negate the need for btrfs. Think about it. If data is corrupted because one drive is failing, how can you tell which of the two drives have the clean data? I think thats where btrfs will help. Sorry for the diversion. Could not help pitching in for btrfs. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 1 23:13:57 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:13:57 -0500 Subject: Home NAS recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f13df281002011513p1383c96fo77edce21c8c1379b@mail.gmail.com> On 1 February 2010 18:08, William Muriithi wrote: > On 1 February 2010 11:41, Giles Orr wrote: >> I'm looking for a home NAS - essentially I want a glorified hard drive >> enclosure that has a RJ-45 port on it. ?Unfortunately, I think that my >> ideal unit doesn't exist, but I thought I'd ask. ?I'd like it to hold >> a single hard drive: dual HDs would mean higher reliability (assuming >> RAID 0) but also higher cost, higher power consumption, probably more >> noise ... and I don't need the extra reliability. ?Here's where it > > Just be careful with RAID 0. It does not offer any reliability > benefit. In fact, if you look at it mathematically, it actually make > the system less reliable. What I mean by this is, the more hard disk > space you have, the probability of having bad sectors increases. Since > that failure can make data in both hard disk unusable, one can deduce > that such a system is worse off than with a single hard disk. That > explain why ext4 has been deemed insufficient, considering the size of > current drives. And that is why btrfs seem to be the only way forward > for OSS. ?Even xfs was not designed to sit on large low quality > drives. > > My guess is, you meant to mean RAID 1. Your data is store in two > places, so you are ?better off. RAID 1 do not however negate the need > for btrfs. Think about it. If data is corrupted because one drive is > failing, how can you tell which of the two drives have the clean data? > I think thats where btrfs will help. You're correct: I meant RAID 1. I know the difference, but I often forget which is 0 and which is 1 ... next time I'll look it up _before_ I post instead of after. Sorry. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 2 00:05:37 2010 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 00:05:37 +0000 Subject: Sharing Partitions In-Reply-To: <20100201172024.GB8161-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: ,<20100201172024.GB8161@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:20:24 -0500 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Sharing Partitions > From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 06:19:22PM +0000, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > I'm about to re-arrange the partitions on my main dual boot PC. I have already shrunk the Vista NTFS partition with gparted (no problems), just need to do redo the linux side of things. > > > > I intend to have two or three distros installed and would like to share as many partitions as possible. /home is a natural one to share and I figure that /opt and /usr/local should also be OK. Those are the main ones I'd like to make common to all. I was also wondering about /var (or at least /var/log). Would that be OK to share amongst the distros? I'm thinking /var may cause problems with package management? Any other possibilities? > > > > Thanks, any advice would be appreciated. > > I wouldn't share any of /var. Too messy. How do you make sense of > anything if the logs are all mixed up? > > You can share swap, you can share /home. /usr/local you can do whatever > you want and probably the same for /opt (although some package managers > on some distributions will install stuff to /opt, so perhaps not). > > Of course I also don't understand wanting more than one distribution > installed. If you want to play with something, use a chroot or a > virtual machine. Why reboot your primary system? It's probably time that I learn to set up virtual machines. I don't want to just play with other distros, I want to use them equally, see what I like and dislike. I haven't bothered with virtualization before because the vista on my dual boot PC has no external disk, only the recovery partition. I wouldn't think it's possible to set up vista as a virtual machine that way and I don't want it to be my main OS with linux as the virtual OS. I may have to leave vista as a reboot option. But I suppose another big reason I haven't ventured into virtualization is that I don't know how to do it and it takes no brains to reboot to different OS's. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 2 00:52:50 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 19:52:50 -0500 Subject: Sharing Partitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:19 PM, wrote: > I'm about to re-arrange the partitions on my main dual boot PC. I have > already shrunk the Vista NTFS partition with gparted (no problems), just > need to do redo the linux side of things. > > I intend to have two or three distros installed and would like to share as > many partitions as possible. /home is a natural one to share and I figure > that /opt and /usr/local should also be OK. Those are the main ones I'd like > to make common to all. I was also wondering about /var (or at least > /var/log). Would that be OK to share amongst the distros? I'm thinking /var > may cause problems with package management? Any other possibilities? /var seems likely to be exceedingly troublesome to share. Traditionally, I used to keep /home and /usr/local on separate partitions specifically to support this kind of thing. Mind you, that was back in the early '90s :-). Of late, my tendency has been to have portions of /home be an SCM archive, providing versioning on stuff I care to version, and for a portion to be synchronized between hosts using Unison (for not-so-versioned material :-)). These days, I generally run Debian on things, and don't worry too much about fiddling with different flavours of Linux. Different flavours don't tend to help terribly much; they seem instead to chew time I'd rather spend on other things. Were I going down that road, I think I'd use VMs as repositories for the multiple systems. Indeed, that seems a pretty good way to compartmentalize configuration for complex services where I'd NOT be using {SCM+CFengine} to manage deployment. In the "bad old days," it was common to have servers managing {Mail, DNS, Some Web Server App} where there would be ghastly quantities of local customizations. You'd be hard-pressed to recover if the server failed. If you instead run "messy stuff" in a VM, and back up the VM once in a while, that seems a way to, well, keep the mess in a hermetically-sealable place. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Samuel Goldwyn - "I don't think anyone should write their autobiography until after they're dead." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/samuel_goldwyn.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 2 13:12:40 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:12:40 -0500 Subject: Home NAS recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6824C8.7020106@rogers.com> William Muriithi wrote: > Think about it. If data is corrupted because one drive is > failing, how can you tell which of the two drives have the clean data? > Disk drives normally have error detection, so one drive will give a read error. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 2 17:26:54 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 12:26:54 -0500 Subject: Another Reason I Love Linux In-Reply-To: <4B6645BE.2070602-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B6645BE.2070602@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Stephen wrote: > I started using Linux as a router before they became a consumer product. > > I used Linux as the base of LAMP for my web development. > > I am using it more for Office work. > > Now I have MediaTomb running. I can listen to music on both my PS3's > accessing my music library from the Linux server. Wow. That is the coolest thing I've seen in days. Thanks for taking the time to mention this, because I had no idea this existed. My PS3 found the server _instantly_, with the default config. This is so amazing. > I rip the files in FLAC format and transcode to PCM so the audio quality is > as high as it can be. > > I would do a happy dance if Steve Balmer had not made them embarrassing. > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 2 18:00:20 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 13:00:20 -0500 Subject: Another Reason I Love Linux In-Reply-To: References: <4B6645BE.2070602@rogers.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8881002021000i2dd8b130k75b42d0b155cbd90@mail.gmail.com> I've been using PS3 Media Sever (From google projects) It transcodes HighDef MKV/X264 movies (720/1080) without too much of a problem... It also transcodes music..it uses ffmpeg/mencoder. Still a few querks can Media TOMB handle mkvs and transcodes video??? On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Stephen wrote: >> I started using Linux as a router before they became a consumer product. >> >> I used Linux as the base of LAMP for my web development. >> >> I am using it more for Office work. >> >> Now I have MediaTomb running. I can listen to music on both my PS3's >> accessing my music library from the Linux server. > > Wow. That is the coolest thing I've seen in days. Thanks for taking > the time to mention this, because I had no idea this existed. My PS3 > found the server _instantly_, with the default config. This is so > amazing. > >> I rip the files in FLAC format and transcode to PCM so the audio quality is >> as high as it can be. >> >> I would do a happy dance if Steve Balmer had not made them embarrassing. >> > > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 2 18:49:16 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:49:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Another Reason I Love Linux In-Reply-To: <32f6a8881002021000i2dd8b130k75b42d0b155cbd90-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881002021000i2dd8b130k75b42d0b155cbd90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18879.17417.qm@web88101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Dave Germiquet wrote: > I've been using PS3 Media Sever (From > google projects) It transcodes > HighDef MKV/X264 movies (720/1080) without too much of a > problem... It > also transcodes music..it uses ffmpeg/mencoder. > > Still a few querks can Media TOMB handle mkvs and > transcodes video??? Yes, it should. MediaTomb does not perform the transcoding itself. It calls a program such as ffmpeg or any other program than can write FIFO. But you can configure a different program for every media type, so as to use the best transcoder available for each type. Or use the same program, but with different parameters. I had to get the latest ffmpeg, including the non-free code, and compile it myself to get the PCM output working. But that is not hard. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From pete-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 2 21:51:33 2010 From: pete-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Pete Lancashire) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 13:51:33 -0800 Subject: OT: PHP JIT/Compiler - massive speedup Message-ID: <720b2b485db964a3341d35f1bca1162d.squirrel@petelancashire.com> not linux but may be of interest http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_gets_faster_debuts_homegrown_php_compiler.php -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 2 22:54:05 2010 From: alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:54:05 -0300 Subject: Home NAS recommendations? In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Giles, how you doing? How about Drobo product's? They are really nice and do a good job. It's fun to build things, but some times, we need to save energy and time to more important ones. http://www.drobo.com/ Best regards On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Giles Orr wrote: > I'm looking for a home NAS - essentially I want a glorified hard drive > enclosure that has a RJ-45 port on it. ?Unfortunately, I think that my > ideal unit doesn't exist, but I thought I'd ask. ?I'd like it to hold > a single hard drive: dual HDs would mean higher reliability (assuming > RAID 0) but also higher cost, higher power consumption, probably more > noise ... and I don't need the extra reliability. ?Here's where it > gets interesting though: I'd like it to support NFS, preferably v4. > Of course the vast majority of these units are based on Samba, and > support only VFAT and Windows-style permissions. ?I'll live with that > if I have to. ?I have no interest at the moment in building my own out > of an old PC. > > I would have preferred to purchase a Vantec unit as they're > recommended here and I've had good experiences with them, but their > only NAS unit is IDE only, which strikes me as very odd. > Recommendations would be much appreciated. > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Alexandre Alencar http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ COBIT, ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 2 23:13:32 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:13:32 -0500 Subject: Home NAS recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1002021513t645fb2den4af3ad27bbf41cde@mail.gmail.com> We have a QNAP box at work, which is pretty good. It boots a linux OS from flash and then mounts the RAID array (which you can install further tools/apps on via iPkg) There are some weird restrictions in regards to the SSH user, etc, but there are ways around those as well. The main issue might be the price, but the home units don't seem too scary compared to some other similar alternatives. If you just want a cheap 1-drive NAS that does ftp+ smb mounts and nothing fancy (even though it seems to run on linux), you could try an airlink101. I have one at home, but I much prefer just having a low-power-CPU (Via C7 or possibly atom) box with a simple RAID and samba so I'm not making much use of that one. I always worried that without the RAID I might have premature data-death. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar wrote: > Hey Giles, how you doing? > > How about Drobo product's? They are really nice and do a good job. > It's fun to build things, but some times, we need to save energy and > time to more important ones. > > http://www.drobo.com/ > > Best regards > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Giles Orr wrote: >> I'm looking for a home NAS - essentially I want a glorified hard drive >> enclosure that has a RJ-45 port on it. ?Unfortunately, I think that my >> ideal unit doesn't exist, but I thought I'd ask. ?I'd like it to hold >> a single hard drive: dual HDs would mean higher reliability (assuming >> RAID 0) but also higher cost, higher power consumption, probably more >> noise ... and I don't need the extra reliability. ?Here's where it >> gets interesting though: I'd like it to support NFS, preferably v4. >> Of course the vast majority of these units are based on Samba, and >> support only VFAT and Windows-style permissions. ?I'll live with that >> if I have to. ?I have no interest at the moment in building my own out >> of an old PC. >> >> I would have preferred to purchase a Vantec unit as they're >> recommended here and I've had good experiences with them, but their >> only NAS unit is IDE only, which strikes me as very odd. >> Recommendations would be much appreciated. >> >> -- >> Giles >> http://www.gilesorr.com/ >> gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > Alexandre Alencar > http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ > http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ > COBIT, ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 3 02:01:10 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:01:10 -0500 Subject: OT: PHP JIT/Compiler - massive speedup In-Reply-To: <720b2b485db964a3341d35f1bca1162d.squirrel-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <720b2b485db964a3341d35f1bca1162d.squirrel@petelancashire.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1002021801q385e8ab0h67915afe44580dd8@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote: > not linux but may be of interest > > http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_gets_faster_debuts_homegrown_php_compiler.php > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > >From the article: "In fact, it turns out that the PHP source code is getting translated first into C++ and then compiled with g++." Hmm, it sounds like it's intended for a 'nix platform as it's using the Gnu compiler, so it sounds pretty linuxy to me. I wonder if it would even compile properly on windows systems -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 3 02:08:25 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:08:25 -0500 Subject: Another Reason I Love Linux In-Reply-To: <18879.17417.qm-dwIQhI7JidyB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881002021000i2dd8b130k75b42d0b155cbd90@mail.gmail.com> <18879.17417.qm@web88101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1002021808y3d87ddbaw50074f4cfdfd92b3@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Stephen wrote: > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Dave Germiquet wrote: > >> I've been using PS3 Media Sever (From >> google projects) It transcodes >> HighDef MKV/X264 movies (720/1080) without too much of a >> problem... It >> also transcodes music..it uses ffmpeg/mencoder. >> >> Still a few querks can Media TOMB handle mkvs and >> transcodes video??? > > Yes, it should. > > MediaTomb does not perform the transcoding itself. It calls a program such as ffmpeg or any other program than can write FIFO. > > But you can configure a different program for every media type, so as to use the best transcoder available for each type. Or use the same program, but with different parameters. > > I had to get the latest ffmpeg, including the non-free code, and compile it myself to get the PCM output working. But that is not hard. > > Stephen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Long ago, one of the reasons I'd bough a 360 is that I'd seen the versatility of "XBox Linux" on my friends old (original gen) Xbox, and heard that the 360 had a built-in media-centre capable of doing similar things. I was extremely disappointed to discover that not only did it require a "windows media center edition" install running to serve up and/or transcode the files (cannot connect to normal shares/samba and stream), but it was somewhat limited in which codecs it supported. Yet again a lame attempt to tie their platforms together. Now despite the whole pushing blu-ray on PS3, it seems that it is a big win as the overall "open" and flexible platform. Imagine my surprise that a company known for such things as "memory stick pro" and UMD's makes such an open system. Congrats to the Sony PS3 team, and keep up the good work. If they keep it up in the next-gen consoles, I know who'll be getting my next console purchase. Don't you wish that there was a way to express to these companies just WHY their products are better, and support such things? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 3 02:41:45 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:41:45 -0500 Subject: Home NAS recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f13df281002021841q6a273d7dtb54e733bf9249372@mail.gmail.com> On 1 February 2010 12:17, Stephen W. Clarke wrote: > I've used a Synology Disk Station at home for the last 4 years. > It's linux inside and supports NFS. Price point is pretty good too. > > These are the specs from Synology: > http://www.synology.com/us/products/DS110j/spec.php > > This is the link to the unit for sale through CC > http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=027628&cid=NTW.791 > > Stephen > >> I'm looking for a home NAS - essentially I want a glorified hard drive >> enclosure that has a RJ-45 port on it. ?Unfortunately, I think that my >> ideal unit doesn't exist, but I thought I'd ask. ?I'd like it to hold >> a single hard drive: dual HDs would mean higher reliability (assuming >> RAID 0) but also higher cost, higher power consumption, probably more >> noise ... and I don't need the extra reliability. ?Here's where it >> gets interesting though: I'd like it to support NFS, preferably v4. >> Of course the vast majority of these units are based on Samba, and >> support only VFAT and Windows-style permissions. ?I'll live with that >> if I have to. ?I have no interest at the moment in building my own out >> of an old PC. >> >> I would have preferred to purchase a Vantec unit as they're >> recommended here and I've had good experiences with them, but their >> only NAS unit is IDE only, which strikes me as very odd. >> Recommendations would be much appreciated. I looked at this in Futureshop: http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10135506&logon=&langid=EN Interesting (although probably not very good) item. The packaging reminded me of why I never want to use FAT32 again: "File size limit: 4GB." No DVD images?! I had forgotten about that. No, I don't think I want to live with that limitation. So right there I lost a huge swath of options. In fact, with the limitations I imposed (one drive, no home-built) the Synology unit appears to be the only choice. It's more than I wanted to pay, but it's the only way to get what I want. ext3, NFS, Gig-E. Nice. Thanks to everyone who responded, it got me really thinking about it - but a special thanks to Steven for the Synology suggestion. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 3 03:00:29 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:00:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: PHP JIT/Compiler - massive speedup In-Reply-To: <720b2b485db964a3341d35f1bca1162d.squirrel-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <720b2b485db964a3341d35f1bca1162d.squirrel@petelancashire.com> Message-ID: | From: Pete Lancashire http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/update_facebook_rewrites_php_runtime_with_project.php Interesting quote: "HipHop executes the source code in a semantically equivalent manner," Zhao continues, "and sacrifices some rarely used features - such as eval() - in exchange for improved performance." "eval" is the kind of thing that is easy in an interpreter and hard for a compiler. And the kind of thing that interpretive language advocates often tout as a feature. It is also a frequent source of security holes. Is eval (and the like) rare in php code? Rare in good php code? A JIT using G++ seems rather ponderous. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 3 15:53:52 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 07:53:52 -0800 Subject: Home NAS recommendations? In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002021841q6a273d7dtb54e733bf9249372-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df281002021841q6a273d7dtb54e733bf9249372@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1002030753q9ee2534me722c7f18c8c9102@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Giles Orr wrote: > On 1 February 2010 12:17, Stephen W. Clarke wrote: >> I've used a Synology Disk Station at home for the last 4 years. >> It's linux inside and supports NFS. Price point is pretty good too. >> >> These are the specs from Synology: >> http://www.synology.com/us/products/DS110j/spec.php >> >> This is the link to the unit for sale through CC >> http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=027628&cid=NTW.791 >> >> Stephen >> >>> I'm looking for a home NAS - essentially I want a glorified hard drive >>> enclosure that has a RJ-45 port on it. ?Unfortunately, I think that my >>> ideal unit doesn't exist, but I thought I'd ask. ?I'd like it to hold >>> a single hard drive: dual HDs would mean higher reliability (assuming >>> RAID 0) but also higher cost, higher power consumption, probably more >>> noise ... and I don't need the extra reliability. ?Here's where it >>> gets interesting though: I'd like it to support NFS, preferably v4. >>> Of course the vast majority of these units are based on Samba, and >>> support only VFAT and Windows-style permissions. ?I'll live with that >>> if I have to. ?I have no interest at the moment in building my own out >>> of an old PC. >>> >>> I would have preferred to purchase a Vantec unit as they're >>> recommended here and I've had good experiences with them, but their >>> only NAS unit is IDE only, which strikes me as very odd. >>> Recommendations would be much appreciated. > > I looked at this in Futureshop: > http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10135506&logon=&langid=EN > > Interesting (although probably not very good) item. ?The packaging > reminded me of why I never want to use FAT32 again: "File size limit: > 4GB." ?No DVD images?! ?I had forgotten about that. ?No, I don't think > I want to live with that limitation. ?So right there I lost a huge > swath of options. ?In fact, with the limitations I imposed (one drive, > no home-built) the Synology unit appears to be the only choice. ?It's > more than I wanted to pay, but it's the only way to get what I want. > > ext3, NFS, Gig-E. ?Nice. > > Thanks to everyone who responded, it got me really thinking about it - > but a special thanks to Steven for the Synology suggestion. > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Unfortunately FAT32 is one of those legacy areas of crud that seem to just keep hanging on. More things are switching to NTFS (or an internal 'nix filesystem like ext3 etc), but FAT isn't dead yet. Now for something that does gig-E and supports larger drives/partitions (up to 2TB) /w NFS, here's the cheaper model of what we have at work (a TS-639): http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=136 http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_software.asp?p_id=136 Still, the power/noise for multiple disks isn't that big... and it sure sucks when you have a few hundred GB's or even a TB of data go poof and need to be restored. -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 3 17:09:35 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:09:35 -0800 Subject: OT: PHP JIT/Compiler - massive speedup In-Reply-To: References: <720b2b485db964a3341d35f1bca1162d.squirrel@petelancashire.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1002030909s4c6e330bq4f2c323ec27156b4@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:00 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Pete Lancashire > > http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/update_facebook_rewrites_php_runtime_with_project.php > > Interesting quote: > > ? ?"HipHop executes the source code in a semantically equivalent manner," > ? ?Zhao continues, "and sacrifices some rarely used features - such as eval() > ? ?- in exchange for improved performance." > > "eval" is the kind of thing that is easy in an interpreter and hard > for a compiler. ?And the kind of thing that interpretive language > advocates often tout as a feature. ?It is also a frequent source of > security holes. > > Is eval (and the like) rare in php code? ?Rare in good php code? > > A JIT using G++ seems rather ponderous. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Some systems which make use of dynamic code/plugins use eval quite a bit. For example 'vbulletin', which is a fairly popular bboard system. -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 3 17:30:10 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:30:10 -0500 Subject: Sharing Partitions In-Reply-To: References: <20100201172024.GB8161@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100203173010.GA4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 12:05:37AM +0000, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > > > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:20:24 -0500 > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Sharing Partitions > > From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org > > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 06:19:22PM +0000, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > I'm about to re-arrange the partitions on my main dual boot PC. I have already shrunk the Vista NTFS partition with gparted (no problems), just need to do redo the linux side of things. > > > > > > I intend to have two or three distros installed and would like to share as many partitions as possible. /home is a natural one to share and I figure that /opt and /usr/local should also be OK. Those are the main ones I'd like to make common to all. I was also wondering about /var (or at least /var/log). Would that be OK to share amongst the distros? I'm thinking /var may cause problems with package management? Any other possibilities? > > > > > > Thanks, any advice would be appreciated. > > > > I wouldn't share any of /var. Too messy. How do you make sense of > > anything if the logs are all mixed up? > > > > You can share swap, you can share /home. /usr/local you can do whatever > > you want and probably the same for /opt (although some package managers > > on some distributions will install stuff to /opt, so perhaps not). > > > > Of course I also don't understand wanting more than one distribution > > installed. If you want to play with something, use a chroot or a > > virtual machine. Why reboot your primary system? > > It's probably time that I learn to set up virtual machines. I don't want to just play with other distros, I want to use them equally, see what I like and dislike. I haven't bothered with virtualization before because the vista on my dual boot PC has no external disk, only the recovery partition. I wouldn't think it's possible to set up vista as a virtual machine that way and I don't want it to be my main OS with linux as the virtual OS. I may have to leave vista as a reboot option. But I suppose another big reason I haven't ventured into virtualization is that I don't know how to do it and it takes no brains to reboot to different OS's. No a vista recovery disk isn't going to work. Not sure the license on the OEM version even permits using it with a virtual machine. Retail versions certainly do for some variants. The way I do things is: kvm-img create debian-kfreebsd.img 20G kvm -usbdevice tablet -daemonize -smp 2 -m 512 -hda debian-kfreebsd.img -vga std -cdrom debian-20090729-kfreebsd-amd64-install.iso -boot d Then after installing I use kvm -usbdevice tablet -daemonize -smp 2 -m 512 -hda debian-kfreebsd.img -vga std -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 3 18:13:20 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:13:20 -0500 Subject: Home NAS recommendations? In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002011513p1383c96fo77edce21c8c1379b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df281002011513p1383c96fo77edce21c8c1379b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100203181320.GB4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 06:13:57PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > You're correct: I meant RAID 1. I know the difference, but I often > forget which is 0 and which is 1 ... next time I'll look it up > _before_ I post instead of after. Sorry. Remember: RAID0 is zero raid. As in zero redundancy. No raid at all. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 3 18:16:11 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:16:11 -0500 Subject: Another Reason I Love Linux In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1002021808y3d87ddbaw50074f4cfdfd92b3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881002021000i2dd8b130k75b42d0b155cbd90@mail.gmail.com> <18879.17417.qm@web88101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3a97ef1002021808y3d87ddbaw50074f4cfdfd92b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100203181611.GC4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 09:08:25PM -0500, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Long ago, one of the reasons I'd bough a 360 is that I'd seen the > versatility of "XBox Linux" on my friends old (original gen) Xbox, and > heard that the 360 had a built-in media-centre capable of doing > similar things. I was extremely disappointed to discover that not only > did it require a "windows media center edition" install running to > serve up and/or transcode the files (cannot connect to normal > shares/samba and stream), but it was somewhat limited in which codecs > it supported. Yet again a lame attempt to tie their platforms > together. Our xbox 260 has no problem connecting to the mythtv box's UPnP interface and playing video files. It's not the media center interface, but it works fine. If you try and play xvid files it will even ask you if it is allowed to go download a codec library from microsoft to support more video formats. > Now despite the whole pushing blu-ray on PS3, it seems that it is a > big win as the overall "open" and flexible platform. Imagine my > surprise that a company known for such things as "memory stick pro" > and UMD's makes such an open system. Congrats to the Sony PS3 team, > and keep up the good work. If they keep it up in the next-gen > consoles, I know who'll be getting my next console purchase. > > Don't you wish that there was a way to express to these companies just > WHY their products are better, and support such things? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddy-5sHjOODPK7E at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 3 18:28:25 2010 From: teddy-5sHjOODPK7E at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:28:25 -0500 Subject: lion care Message-ID: <4B69C049.4030705@tmis.ca> LION batteries are like a relationship. They require some care and attention otherwise they refuse to work I have left LION batteries uncharged for long periods, and when I want to use them, the batteries do not charge. I understand there is a lower limit, and if the LION battery falls below that, the LION battery is essentially dead. I find if I leave LION batteries alone fully charged, they dont seem to mind that. I am getting the idea the LION batteries prefer to be in the 80/20 range. Not less than 20% AND NOT MORE THAN 80%. I guess my question is: If a LION battery is to be left unused for a few weeks or months, what should be done topreserve them? Leave my MP3 devices in the freezer? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 3 21:26:09 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:26:09 -0500 Subject: lion care In-Reply-To: <4B69C049.4030705-5sHjOODPK7E@public.gmane.org> References: <4B69C049.4030705@tmis.ca> Message-ID: <4B69E9F1.7010205@rogers.com> teddy mills wrote: > LION batteries are like a relationship. > They require some care and attention otherwise they refuse to work When I first read the message title, I thought you were talking about a new pet. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 3 23:03:51 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 15:03:51 -0800 Subject: Another Reason I Love Linux In-Reply-To: <20100203181611.GC4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881002021000i2dd8b130k75b42d0b155cbd90@mail.gmail.com> <18879.17417.qm@web88101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3a97ef1002021808y3d87ddbaw50074f4cfdfd92b3@mail.gmail.com> <20100203181611.GC4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef1002031503k3aeebb41q1ac041656d72497f@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 09:08:25PM -0500, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> Long ago, one of the reasons I'd bough a 360 is that I'd seen the >> versatility of "XBox Linux" on my friends old (original gen) Xbox, and >> heard that the 360 had a built-in media-centre capable of doing >> similar things. I was extremely disappointed to discover that not only >> did it require a "windows media center edition" install running to >> serve up and/or transcode the files (cannot connect to normal >> shares/samba and stream), but it was somewhat limited in which codecs >> it supported. Yet again a lame attempt to tie their platforms >> together. > > Our xbox 260 has no problem connecting to the mythtv box's UPnP interface > and playing video files. ?It's not the media center interface, but it > works fine. > > If you try and play xvid files it will even ask you if it is allowed to > go download a codec library from microsoft to support more video formats. > >> Now despite the whole pushing blu-ray on PS3, it seems that it is a >> big win as the overall "open" and flexible platform. Imagine my >> surprise that a company known for such things as "memory stick pro" >> and UMD's makes such an open system. Congrats to the Sony PS3 team, >> and keep up the good work. If they keep it up in the next-gen >> consoles, I know who'll be getting my next console purchase. >> >> Don't you wish that there was a way to express to these companies just >> WHY their products are better, and support such things? > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > It that a component of mythtv, or some other stuff you have installed on the box as well? I had looked up solutions for xbox media streaming but at the time I'd only come up with some defunct projects that didn't have packages and/or wouldn't compile on my box. -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 4 03:47:51 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:47:51 -0500 Subject: Home NAS recommendations? In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100204034751.GA4232@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 11:41:12AM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > I'm looking for a home NAS - essentially I want a glorified hard drive > enclosure that has a RJ-45 port on it. Unfortunately, I think that my > ideal unit doesn't exist, but I thought I'd ask. I'd like it to hold > a single hard drive: dual HDs would mean higher reliability (assuming > RAID 0) but also higher cost, higher power consumption, probably more > noise ... and I don't need the extra reliability. Here's where it > gets interesting though: I'd like it to support NFS, preferably v4. > Of course the vast majority of these units are based on Samba, and > support only VFAT and Windows-style permissions. I'll live with that > if I have to. I have no interest at the moment in building my own out > of an old PC. > > I would have preferred to purchase a Vantec unit as they're > recommended here and I've had good experiences with them, but their > only NAS unit is IDE only, which strikes me as very odd. > Recommendations would be much appreciated. Whenever you want network, you end up dealing with OS issues, since it's the OS which provides the network layer. Have you considered 2-component solution: 1. USB/eSATA harddisk -- like single/dual/quad units from Thermaltake ($50 for dual dock), Vantec ($60 for dual dock), MediaSonic ($150 for 4-bay enclosure, $250 for RAID enclosure). 2. nettop -- like Acer Revo ($250 Linux version from canadacomputers.com). Network access would be provided by whatever OS is installed on "nettop". This way, you chose OS and harddisk arrangement, and still not "build your own". -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 4 14:15:28 2010 From: stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org (Stephen W. Clarke) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 09:15:28 -0500 Subject: Quickbooks on Linux In-Reply-To: <4B69E9F1.7010205-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B69C049.4030705@tmis.ca> <4B69E9F1.7010205@rogers.com> Message-ID: Do any of you know if it's possible to run Quickbooks in a linux environment. That is other than in a VM. WINE? CrossOver? I've been asked to install QB2010 on our accounting server, but it is running Windows 2000 Server and won't install. So, I'm wondering if there are any real options other than buying and installing Windows Server 2008. ugh! Thanks, Stephen -- Stephen W. Clarke Marketing and Communications Officer Nray Services Inc. 56A Head Street Dundas, ON L9H 3H7 CANADA (905) 627-1302 x14 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 4 14:46:41 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:46:41 -0800 Subject: Quickbooks on Linux In-Reply-To: References: <4B69C049.4030705@tmis.ca> <4B69E9F1.7010205@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1002040646y19cdae09p5adc06545de2b74e@mail.gmail.com> Does it run on XP? For those times that XP must be run I usually keep a copy of XP handy in VirtualBox, etc. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Stephen W. Clarke wrote: > Do any of you know if it's possible to run Quickbooks in a linux > environment. That is other than in a VM. WINE? CrossOver? > > I've been asked to install QB2010 on our accounting server, but it is > running Windows 2000 Server and won't install. So, I'm wondering if there > are any real options other than buying and installing Windows Server 2008. > ugh! > > Thanks, > Stephen > > -- > Stephen W. Clarke > Marketing and Communications Officer > Nray Services Inc. > 56A Head Street > Dundas, ON L9H 3H7 > CANADA > > (905) 627-1302 x14 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 4 14:48:14 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:48:14 -0800 Subject: SIP dropouts? how do they sound? In-Reply-To: References: <92ee967a1001290859y559f05caud091336f0e1c0abb@mail.gmail.com> <4B6315ED.9010507@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef1002040648h21be7150h59d36cf722898cac@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Peter wrote: > I can't choose the protocol the remote pbx wants to see g711u and that's what i > am stuck with. The noises seem to depend strongly on the type of remote client > but all remote (windows) clients have the problem, linux less so. Certain routes > do not have the problem at all. Please tell me that the isp's do not jam sip > deliberately ? > > Peter > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Try tunneling it and see if it works better. I've heard stories about SIP being degraded by companies that prefer to tout their own VOIP services. -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 4 15:05:28 2010 From: stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org (Stephen W. Clarke) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:05:28 -0500 Subject: Quickbooks on Linux In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1002040646y19cdae09p5adc06545de2b74e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B69C049.4030705@tmis.ca> <4B69E9F1.7010205@rogers.com> <3a97ef1002040646y19cdae09p5adc06545de2b74e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes it does work on XP, so the a VM style solution is possible, but if I do that can I run multiple instances of the same VM simultaneously for multiple remote users? That seems to be extra complicated. > Does it run on XP? For those times that XP must be run I usually keep > a copy of XP handy in VirtualBox, etc. > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Stephen W. Clarke > wrote: >> Do any of you know if it's possible to run Quickbooks in a linux >> environment. That is other than in a VM. WINE? CrossOver? >> >> I've been asked to install QB2010 on our accounting server, but it is >> running Windows 2000 Server and won't install. So, I'm wondering if >> there >> are any real options other than buying and installing Windows Server >> 2008. >> ugh! >> >> Thanks, >> Stephen >> >> -- >> Stephen W. Clarke >> Marketing and Communications Officer >> Nray Services Inc. >> 56A Head Street >> Dundas, ON L9H 3H7 >> CANADA >> >> (905) 627-1302 x14 >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2 > > ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that > is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Stephen W. Clarke Marketing and Communications Officer Nray Services Inc. 56A Head Street Dundas, ON L9H 3H7 CANADA (905) 627-1302 x14 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 4 15:44:37 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:44:37 -0500 Subject: Another Reason I Love Linux In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1002031503k3aeebb41q1ac041656d72497f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881002021000i2dd8b130k75b42d0b155cbd90@mail.gmail.com> <18879.17417.qm@web88101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3a97ef1002021808y3d87ddbaw50074f4cfdfd92b3@mail.gmail.com> <20100203181611.GC4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef1002031503k3aeebb41q1ac041656d72497f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100204154437.GD4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 03:03:51PM -0800, Tyler Aviss wrote: > It that a component of mythtv, or some other stuff you have installed > on the box as well? I had looked up solutions for xbox media streaming > but at the time I'd only come up with some defunct projects that > didn't have packages and/or wouldn't compile on my box. I believe UPnP is a standard feature of the mythtv-backend. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UPnP Note that the XBOX 360 is listed as not working but changed to 'works perfect' in late august last year. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 4 16:11:20 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:11:20 -0500 Subject: Home NAS recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20100204034751.GA4232-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002010841u11372e02n4cf2402e0beb927d@mail.gmail.com> <20100204034751.GA4232@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <1f13df281002040811q4b2ca04frc6e4073e6f3a7609@mail.gmail.com> On 3 February 2010 22:47, William Park wrote: > On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 11:41:12AM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: >> I'm looking for a home NAS - essentially I want a glorified hard drive >> enclosure that has a RJ-45 port on it. ?Unfortunately, I think that my >> ideal unit doesn't exist, but I thought I'd ask. ?I'd like it to hold >> a single hard drive: dual HDs would mean higher reliability (assuming >> RAID 0) but also higher cost, higher power consumption, probably more >> noise ... and I don't need the extra reliability. ?Here's where it >> gets interesting though: I'd like it to support NFS, preferably v4. >> Of course the vast majority of these units are based on Samba, and >> support only VFAT and Windows-style permissions. ?I'll live with that >> if I have to. ?I have no interest at the moment in building my own out >> of an old PC. >> >> I would have preferred to purchase a Vantec unit as they're >> recommended here and I've had good experiences with them, but their >> only NAS unit is IDE only, which strikes me as very odd. >> Recommendations would be much appreciated. > > Whenever you want network, you end up dealing with OS issues, since it's > the OS which provides the network layer. ?Have you considered > 2-component solution: > ? ?1. USB/eSATA harddisk -- like single/dual/quad units from > ? ? ? ?Thermaltake ($50 for dual dock), Vantec ($60 for dual dock), > ? ? ? ?MediaSonic ($150 for 4-bay enclosure, $250 for RAID enclosure). > ? ?2. nettop -- like Acer Revo ($250 Linux version from > ? ? ? ?canadacomputers.com). > > Network access would be provided by whatever OS is installed on > "nettop". ?This way, you chose OS and harddisk arrangement, and still > not "build your own". I gave a lot of thought to exactly that solution: a Revo and an external SATA HD (the Revo internal HD is a bit small, thus the external). But it would have cost substantially more and been more complex, neither of which I liked. The level of control would be higher, but that comes - again - with higher complexity, which I don't want. Simplicity is good. I've bought (but not set up yet) the Synology unit. Maybe in a year or so I'll be buying a Revo, but I think this will be a satisfactory solution. My next purchase is probably going to have to be a gig-E switch and several Cat-6 cables so I can actually get decent speed for file transfers ... -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 4 22:13:27 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:13:27 -0800 Subject: Another Reason I Love Linux In-Reply-To: <20100204154437.GD4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881002021000i2dd8b130k75b42d0b155cbd90@mail.gmail.com> <18879.17417.qm@web88101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3a97ef1002021808y3d87ddbaw50074f4cfdfd92b3@mail.gmail.com> <20100203181611.GC4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3a97ef1002031503k3aeebb41q1ac041656d72497f@mail.gmail.com> <20100204154437.GD4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef1002041413x1b0a24c2yc69f60c15d53f1ba@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 03:03:51PM -0800, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> It that a component of mythtv, or some other stuff you have installed >> on the box as well? I had looked up solutions for xbox media streaming >> but at the time I'd only come up with some defunct projects that >> didn't have packages and/or wouldn't compile on my box. > > I believe UPnP is a standard feature of the mythtv-backend. > > http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UPnP > > Note that the XBOX 360 is listed as not working but changed to 'works > perfect' in late august last year. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Hmm. So much for taking a break after today. I know what I'll be working on instead :-) Thanks! -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 4 22:25:46 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:25:46 -0800 Subject: Quickbooks on Linux In-Reply-To: References: <4B69C049.4030705@tmis.ca> <4B69E9F1.7010205@rogers.com> <3a97ef1002040646y19cdae09p5adc06545de2b74e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1002041425o5798be98m80dcbfded9e35e1d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Stephen W. Clarke wrote: > Yes it does work on XP, so the a VM style solution is possible, but if I > do that can I run multiple instances of the same VM simultaneously for > multiple remote users? That seems to be extra complicated. > > > >> Does it run on XP? For those times that XP must be run I usually keep >> a copy of XP handy in VirtualBox, etc. >> >> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Stephen W. Clarke >> wrote: >>> Do any of you know if it's possible to run Quickbooks in a linux >>> environment. That is other than in a VM. WINE? CrossOver? >>> >>> I've been asked to install QB2010 on our accounting server, but it is >>> running Windows 2000 Server and won't install. So, I'm wondering if >>> there >>> are any real options other than buying and installing Windows Server >>> 2008. >>> ugh! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Stephen >>> >>> -- >>> Stephen W. Clarke >>> Marketing and Communications Officer >>> Nray Services Inc. >>> 56A Head Street >>> Dundas, ON L9H 3H7 >>> CANADA >>> >>> (905) 627-1302 x14 Hmm, do all the users need to access it simultaneously? If not, then what we have here for some of things that need windows (like our Blackberry Enterprise Server), is run it within a VM and connect via RDP when necessary. One person can connect at a time, but at least you could access it from multiple computers on an as-needed (first-come-first-serve) basis. If you're using the commercial version of VirtualBox (free for personal/evaluation/academic use) then you can connect directly to the VM via rdesktop (mstsc in windows, in linux using "rdesktop-vrdp -u VMUSER as -p VMUSERPASSWORD SERVER:3389"). Once it's setup you could use VBoxHeadless to start the VM without needing the GUI If you're using the OSE (open-source/free) version, you don't get the RDP server, USB support, or USB-over-RDP support (which is really cool), but you could still set it up using the VirtualBox GUI and then setup RDP, give the VM a live IP via a bonded interface, and then enable RDP within your windows guest. If you decide it's worth your while I can pass some init scripts etc that make the start/stop a little easier. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 4 22:35:34 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:35:34 -0500 Subject: Quickbooks on Linux In-Reply-To: References: <4B69C049.4030705@tmis.ca> <4B69E9F1.7010205@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4B6B4BB6.3000906@dinamis.com> On 02/04/2010 09:15 AM, Stephen W. Clarke wrote: > Do any of you know if it's possible to run Quickbooks in a linux > environment. That is other than in a VM. WINE? CrossOver? > > I've been asked to install QB2010 on our accounting server, but it is > running Windows 2000 Server and won't install. So, I'm wondering if there > are any real options other than buying and installing Windows Server 2008. > ugh! Is running something other than QB an option? There are plenty of good accounting applications that run on Linux. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dogtrnr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 4 22:40:47 2010 From: dogtrnr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (dogtrainer) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:40:47 -0500 Subject: Quickbooks on Linux In-Reply-To: <4B6B4BB6.3000906-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B69C049.4030705@tmis.ca> <4B69E9F1.7010205@rogers.com> <4B6B4BB6.3000906@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <5c1d446f1002041440h697a01d9xe8a61eecc8a74ce1@mail.gmail.com> New to Linux & using Mepis - I use Quicken Home & Business using WINE. WOuld be intested in knowing good accounting products that handle the Canadian Tax system Brian J. Smith On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:35 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 02/04/2010 09:15 AM, Stephen W. Clarke wrote: > >> Do any of you know if it's possible to run Quickbooks in a linux >> environment. That is other than in a VM. WINE? CrossOver? >> >> I've been asked to install QB2010 on our accounting server, but it is >> running Windows 2000 Server and won't install. So, I'm wondering if there >> are any real options other than buying and installing Windows Server 2008. >> ugh! >> > > Is running something other than QB an option? There are plenty of good > accounting applications that run on Linux. > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 4 23:56:32 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:56:32 -0500 Subject: Quickbooks on Linux In-Reply-To: <4B6B4BB6.3000906-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B69C049.4030705@tmis.ca> <4B69E9F1.7010205@rogers.com> <4B6B4BB6.3000906@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20100204235632.GA4246@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 05:35:34PM -0500, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 02/04/2010 09:15 AM, Stephen W. Clarke wrote: > >Do any of you know if it's possible to run Quickbooks in a linux > >environment. That is other than in a VM. WINE? CrossOver? > > > >I've been asked to install QB2010 on our accounting server, but it is > >running Windows 2000 Server and won't install. So, I'm wondering if there > >are any real options other than buying and installing Windows Server 2008. > >ugh! > > Is running something other than QB an option? There are plenty of good > accounting applications that run on Linux. Care to name one or two? -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 5 00:10:24 2010 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 19:10:24 -0500 Subject: Quickbooks on Linux In-Reply-To: <20100204235632.GA4246-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B69C049.4030705@tmis.ca> <4B69E9F1.7010205@rogers.com> <4B6B4BB6.3000906@dinamis.com> <20100204235632.GA4246@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20100205001024.GB2853@watson-wilon.ca> On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 06:56:32PM -0500, William Park wrote: >Care to name one or two? GNUcash SQL-ledger There other on freshmeat. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 5 00:28:50 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 19:28:50 -0500 Subject: Quickbooks on Linux In-Reply-To: <20100205001024.GB2853-8agRmHhQ+n0LFV1hc+Bozg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B69C049.4030705@tmis.ca> <4B69E9F1.7010205@rogers.com> <4B6B4BB6.3000906@dinamis.com> <20100204235632.GA4246@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100205001024.GB2853@watson-wilon.ca> Message-ID: <20100205002850.GA4355@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 07:10:24PM -0500, Neil Watson wrote: > On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 06:56:32PM -0500, William Park wrote: > >Care to name one or two? > > GNUcash > SQL-ledger > There other on freshmeat. I went through those. I wouldn't call them a replacement to QuickBook, Simply Accounting, or AccPac. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 5 02:53:45 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:53:45 -0500 Subject: Quickbooks on Linux In-Reply-To: <20100204235632.GA4246-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B69C049.4030705@tmis.ca> <4B69E9F1.7010205@rogers.com> <4B6B4BB6.3000906@dinamis.com> <20100204235632.GA4246@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4B6B8839.8010306@dinamis.com> On 02/04/2010 06:56 PM, William Park wrote: > On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 05:35:34PM -0500, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: >> On 02/04/2010 09:15 AM, Stephen W. Clarke wrote: >>> Do any of you know if it's possible to run Quickbooks in a linux >>> environment. That is other than in a VM. WINE? CrossOver? >>> >>> I've been asked to install QB2010 on our accounting server, but it is >>> running Windows 2000 Server and won't install. So, I'm wondering if there >>> are any real options other than buying and installing Windows Server 2008. >>> ugh! >> >> Is running something other than QB an option? There are plenty of good >> accounting applications that run on Linux. > > Care to name one or two? Our friend Christopher Browne has a heap of them here: . I'd add, in no particular order and without endorsing any of them, the following non-exhaustive list. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 5 05:02:22 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 00:02:22 -0500 Subject: Quickbooks on Linux In-Reply-To: <4B6B8839.8010306-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B69C049.4030705@tmis.ca> <4B69E9F1.7010205@rogers.com> <4B6B4BB6.3000906@dinamis.com> <20100204235632.GA4246@node1.opengeometry.net> <4B6B8839.8010306@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20100205050222.GA5466@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 09:53:45PM -0500, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 02/04/2010 06:56 PM, William Park wrote: > >On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 05:35:34PM -0500, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > >>On 02/04/2010 09:15 AM, Stephen W. Clarke wrote: > >>>Do any of you know if it's possible to run Quickbooks in a linux > >>>environment. That is other than in a VM. WINE? CrossOver? > >>> > >>>I've been asked to install QB2010 on our accounting server, but it is > >>>running Windows 2000 Server and won't install. So, I'm wondering if there > >>>are any real options other than buying and installing Windows Server > >>>2008. > >>>ugh! > >> > >>Is running something other than QB an option? There are plenty of good > >>accounting applications that run on Linux. > > > >Care to name one or two? > > Our friend Christopher Browne has a heap of them here: > . > > I'd add, in no particular order and without endorsing any of them, the > following non-exhaustive list. > > > > > > > > What I meant was, "What do you use?" -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 5 04:14:23 2010 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:14:23 -0500 Subject: OT Firefogg Message-ID: <4B6B9B1F.3020108@utoronto.ca> firefogg.org Whatever is that fox doing to that fish!!!!!!! Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 5 13:10:03 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 05:10:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OT] Microsoft to patch 17-year-old computer bug Message-ID: <459866.1787.qm@web88108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8499859.stm Now they can start working on the 16 year old bugs. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 5 15:01:58 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:01:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OT] Microsoft to patch 17-year-old computer bug In-Reply-To: <459866.1787.qm-7tcjwRQUPBmB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <459866.1787.qm@web88108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: | From: Stephen | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8499859.stm | | Now they can start working on the 16 year old bugs. I inferred from the BBC article that Microsoft just learned of the problem and will fix it soon. "The ancient bug was discovered by Google security researcher Tavis Ormandy in January 2010 and involves a utility that allows newer versions of Windows to run programs that date from the DOS era." In fact, Ormandy says: "Microsoft was informed about this vulnerability on 12-Jun-2009, and they confirmed receipt of my report on 22-Jun-2009." See http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/fulldisclosure/2010-01/0346.html (Perhaps it was only a 16 year old bug then.) See that article anyway. It shows how intricate the flaw is. It has nothing to do with "a utility" as far as I can see. I seem to remember that the DOS support is not in 64-bit Vista and 7 so they may not have this weakness. Lessons: - complicated interfaces are hard to secure and it is hard to be confident of their security - news reports, even from the BBC, are often inaccurate. - The inaccuraccies have random effects. In this case, one makes MS look better (supresses the fact that they have known about the bug for 6 months), even though the net effect of the article is to make MS look worse than I feel is warranted. - obscure bugs matter a lot when they hit the front pages (think Toyota perhaps -- hard to tell that one) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 5 16:04:56 2010 From: stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org (Stephen W. Clarke) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:04:56 -0500 Subject: Quickbooks on Linux In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1002041425o5798be98m80dcbfded9e35e1d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B69C049.4030705@tmis.ca> <4B69E9F1.7010205@rogers.com> <3a97ef1002040646y19cdae09p5adc06545de2b74e@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1002041425o5798be98m80dcbfded9e35e1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Stephen W. Clarke > wrote: >> Yes it does work on XP, so the a VM style solution is possible, but if I >> do that can I run multiple instances of the same VM simultaneously for >> multiple remote users? That seems to be extra complicated. >> >> >> >>> Does it run on XP? For those times that XP must be run I usually keep >>> a copy of XP handy in VirtualBox, etc. >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Stephen W. Clarke >>> wrote: >>>> Do any of you know if it's possible to run Quickbooks in a linux >>>> environment. That is other than in a VM. WINE? CrossOver? >>>> >>>> I've been asked to install QB2010 on our accounting server, but it is >>>> running Windows 2000 Server and won't install. So, I'm wondering if >>>> there >>>> are any real options other than buying and installing Windows Server >>>> 2008. >>>> ugh! >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Stephen W. Clarke >>>> Marketing and Communications Officer >>>> Nray Services Inc. >>>> 56A Head Street >>>> Dundas, ON L9H 3H7 >>>> CANADA >>>> >>>> (905) 627-1302 x14 > > Hmm, do all the users need to access it simultaneously? > If not, then what we have here for some of things that need windows > (like our Blackberry Enterprise Server), is run it within a VM and > connect via RDP when necessary. > > One person can connect at a time, but at least you could access it > from multiple computers on an as-needed (first-come-first-serve) > basis. > > If you're using the commercial version of VirtualBox (free for > personal/evaluation/academic use) then you can connect directly to the > VM via rdesktop (mstsc in windows, in linux using "rdesktop-vrdp -u > VMUSER as -p VMUSERPASSWORD SERVER:3389"). Once it's setup you could > use VBoxHeadless to start the VM without needing the GUI > > If you're using the OSE (open-source/free) version, you don't get the > RDP server, USB support, or USB-over-RDP support (which is really > cool), but you could still set it up using the VirtualBox GUI and then > setup RDP, give the VM a live IP via a bonded interface, and then > enable RDP within your windows guest. > > If you decide it's worth your while I can pass some init scripts etc > that make the start/stop a little easier. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Thanks for this suggestion. It's given me something to think about. The main reason I'm contemplating a VM solution would be to allow for simultaneous user access. The only thing this server currently does is run Win2000 server and QB. So if we reduce the QB access to a single user then I can just install XP directly on the box and allow for users needing it to access through Terminal Services Client. Currently we have two people who enjoy the simultaneous access they can get with our existing set up. Could I install multiple VMs on a linux server and allow them to login with rdesktop and then each run their own VM of WinXP to access QB? That would be a total investment of $300 instead of $1500. I'll keep thinking about this, but thanks for the suggestions. Stephen -- Stephen W. Clarke Marketing and Communications Officer Nray Services Inc. 56A Head Street Dundas, ON L9H 3H7 CANADA (905) 627-1302 x14 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 5 23:13:01 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:13:01 -0500 Subject: Quickbooks on Linux In-Reply-To: References: <4B69C049.4030705@tmis.ca> <4B69E9F1.7010205@rogers.com> <3a97ef1002040646y19cdae09p5adc06545de2b74e@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1002041425o5798be98m80dcbfded9e35e1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Stephen > Currently we have two people who enjoy the simultaneous access they can > get with our existing set up. Could I install multiple VMs on a linux > server and allow them to login with rdesktop and then each run their own > VM of WinXP to access QB? That would be a total investment of $300 instead > of $1500. > What? You mean 2008 cost $1500? I am not involved with purchases, so that was a little surprising for me > I'll keep thinking about this, but thanks for the suggestions. > > Stephen > > -- > Stephen W. Clarke > Marketing and Communications Officer > Nray Services Inc. > 56A Head Street > Dundas, ON L9H 3H7 > CANADA > > (905) 627-1302 x14 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 6 01:50:14 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 20:50:14 -0500 Subject: Quickbooks on Linux In-Reply-To: References: <4B69C049.4030705@tmis.ca> <4B69E9F1.7010205@rogers.com> <3a97ef1002040646y19cdae09p5adc06545de2b74e@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1002041425o5798be98m80dcbfded9e35e1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1002051750k13694dd6nbd92825afaefe185@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Stephen W. Clarke wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Stephen W. Clarke >> wrote: >>> Yes it does work on XP, so the a VM style solution is possible, but if I >>> do that can I run multiple instances of the same VM simultaneously for >>> multiple remote users? That seems to be extra complicated. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Does it run on XP? For those times that XP must be run I usually keep >>>> a copy of XP handy in VirtualBox, etc. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Stephen W. Clarke >>>> wrote: >>>>> Do any of you know if it's possible to run Quickbooks in a linux >>>>> environment. That is other than in a VM. WINE? CrossOver? >>>>> >>>>> I've been asked to install QB2010 on our accounting server, but it is >>>>> running Windows 2000 Server and won't install. So, I'm wondering if >>>>> there >>>>> are any real options other than buying and installing Windows Server >>>>> 2008. >>>>> ugh! >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Stephen >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Stephen W. Clarke >>>>> Marketing and Communications Officer >>>>> Nray Services Inc. >>>>> 56A Head Street >>>>> Dundas, ON L9H 3H7 >>>>> CANADA >>>>> >>>>> (905) 627-1302 x14 >> >> Hmm, do all the users need to access it simultaneously? >> If not, then what we have here for some of things that need windows >> (like our Blackberry Enterprise Server), is run it within a VM and >> connect via RDP when necessary. >> >> One person can connect at a time, but at least you could access it >> from multiple computers on an as-needed (first-come-first-serve) >> basis. >> >> If you're using the commercial version of VirtualBox (free for >> personal/evaluation/academic use) then you can connect directly to the >> VM via rdesktop (mstsc in windows, in linux using "rdesktop-vrdp -u >> VMUSER as -p VMUSERPASSWORD SERVER:3389"). Once it's setup you could >> use VBoxHeadless to start the VM without needing the GUI >> >> If you're using the OSE (open-source/free) version, you don't get the >> RDP server, USB support, or USB-over-RDP support (which is really >> cool), but you could still set it up using the VirtualBox GUI and then >> setup RDP, give the VM a live IP via a bonded interface, and then >> enable RDP within your windows guest. >> >> If you decide it's worth your while I can pass some init scripts etc >> that make the start/stop a little easier. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > Thanks for this suggestion. It's given me something to think about. > > The main reason I'm contemplating a VM solution would be to allow for > simultaneous user access. The only thing this server currently does is run > Win2000 server and QB. So if we reduce the QB access to a single user then > I can just install XP directly on the box and allow for users needing it > to access through Terminal Services Client. > > Currently we have two people who enjoy the simultaneous access they can > get with our existing set up. Could I install multiple VMs on a linux > server and allow them to login with rdesktop and then each run their own > VM of WinXP to access QB? That would be a total investment of $300 instead > of $1500. > > I'll keep thinking about this, but thanks for the suggestions. > > Stephen > > -- > Stephen W. Clarke > Marketing and Communications Officer > Nray Services Inc. > 56A Head Street > Dundas, ON L9H 3H7 > CANADA > > (905) 627-1302 x14 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > At that point it mostly depends on the server. One of our boxes is running 4 VM's simultaneous and it only really flinches if they're all trying to do something major at once (the startups are stagged so it's usually fine). The server itself has 8GB of RAM and I believe a quad-core Xeon (or two Dual's, I can't remember which offhand), as well as a decent RAID. The host OS is Debian, and the guests are two each of "Windows XP" and "2003 server" Whether you could run two VM's depends mostly on the software at that point. If you literally need two separate installs it shouldn't be an issue. If you could do it with two windows workstations, you could likely do it with two VM's. It somewhat depends on what Quicken's client-server model is like. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 6 01:53:34 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 20:53:34 -0500 Subject: AD2P Message-ID: <3a97ef1002051753s31138d28y94c29b7f46ca7a5e@mail.gmail.com> Anyone here play much with Bluetooth audio and/or A2DP? I've got my media box connected to a sound system in one room via a "Motorola DC800" (RCA in, RCA out, AD2P audio gateway), which is really nice for when I want to broadcast my tunes around. However, I notice that when I want to also use my bluetooth headset (also AD2P) as I wander around the house, it will only allow one device at a time to be connected. Is this a limitation of bluetooth, bluez/blueman/etc, or a configuration issue? Adding a second bluetooth adaptor didn't seem to do much in allowing a secondary device to connect. -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 6 02:56:04 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:56:04 -0500 Subject: AD2P In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1002051753s31138d28y94c29b7f46ca7a5e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1002051753s31138d28y94c29b7f46ca7a5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6CDA44.1030007@alteeve.com> Tyler Aviss wrote: > Anyone here play much with Bluetooth audio and/or A2DP? > > I've got my media box connected to a sound system in one room via a > "Motorola DC800" (RCA in, RCA out, AD2P audio gateway), which is > really nice for when I want to broadcast my tunes around. However, I > notice that when I want to also use my bluetooth headset (also AD2P) > as I wander around the house, it will only allow one device at a time > to be connected. Is this a limitation of bluetooth, bluez/blueman/etc, > or a configuration issue? > > Adding a second bluetooth adaptor didn't seem to do much in allowing a > secondary device to connect. I don't know about your case, but with bluetooth in general, the limit of connected devices seems to be based on the device. For example, my netbook and laptop can each have multiple devices connected at once (mouse, ear-piece and phone). With my earpiece though, I had to look specifically for one that would bind with two devices at once. So I don't think it is a bluetooth limitation, but it might be a device limitation. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 6 03:36:01 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 22:36:01 -0500 Subject: Anyone need a 9GB SCSI drive? Message-ID: <1f13df281002051936ye925135tf4b0a4ef9518b5e9@mail.gmail.com> This is a stretch, but I thought it might be useful to someone: IBM DNES-309170 9GB 68 pin female internal connector power is standard Molex I've got a very long cable for it with multiple male 68 pin connectors and terminator. No card, as SCSI was on the very old motherboard. The drive has been DBANed (and appears to be in full working order). Any takers? -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 6 19:35:17 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 17:35:17 -0200 Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto Message-ID: I'll be arriving in Toronto in March 1st. I'm a unix/linux sysadmin and, as a newcomer, I'll need a new job. I'm already looking for jobs in sites like Monster and Craigslist, but, I'd like some tips from the toronto linux community on how the job search works. What sites do you recommend? What and when are the best open source events that happen in Ontario, so I can attend? Do you believe in certifications, like RHCE, LPIC or CISSP for Systems Administrator, or college education works better? And, a final question: does my previous brazilian work experience have any meaning for the canadian linux community? Thanks! -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 6 20:06:46 2010 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:06:46 +0300 Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B6DCBD6.1010503@gmail.com> Renata, I never ever had any chance with these monsters. Nor with recruiting agencies. IMHO, a sort of direct contact with people is the best chance to get a job. Actually, I have no doubt that you were noticed already on this list by these who know more or might or may not have even slim opportunities for you. If so you are likely to be contacted. If they dont have anything - you still may be contacted. I know, I have no doubt about that that you are excellent in Linux. But I personally have a very bad opinion about Canadian employers - they mostly have no idea who is good and who is not and (I would even dare to say that a lot of them a complete ignorants and offer jobs to ignorants), additionally, its rather used that since you are a newcomer you must first to earn your fuc*en Canadian experience (this is a sort of megalomany on their side to think that non-Canadians have worser experience and also a lack of will to learn from these who might be better than they are). Also, there is very little chance that you will get a serious offer _before_ actually arriving to the country. My strategy which worked more or less well was to send a huge, really a huge number of emails to companies that might perhaps be interested in job offers. I used various databases of companies that are available on the internet. If you want to try that way some day - ask me privately. Also, have a look to other job announcements. But not at places of these monsters. Avoid replying to ads from recruiting agencies. The best is if there is an ad from employer directly. zb. Renata Rocha wrote: > I'll be arriving in Toronto in March 1st. I'm a unix/linux sysadmin > and, as a newcomer, I'll need a new job. I'm already looking for jobs > in sites like Monster and Craigslist, but, I'd like some tips from the > toronto linux community on how the job search works. > > What sites do you recommend? What and when are the best open source > events that happen in Ontario, so I can attend? Do you believe in > certifications, like RHCE, LPIC or CISSP for Systems Administrator, or > college education works better? > > And, a final question: does my previous brazilian work experience have > any meaning for the canadian linux community? > > Thanks! > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 6 21:09:14 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:09:14 -0500 Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B6DDA7A.4040000@alteeve.com> Renata Rocha wrote: > I'll be arriving in Toronto in March 1st. I'm a unix/linux sysadmin > and, as a newcomer, I'll need a new job. I'm already looking for jobs > in sites like Monster and Craigslist, but, I'd like some tips from the > toronto linux community on how the job search works. > > What sites do you recommend? What and when are the best open source > events that happen in Ontario, so I can attend? Do you believe in > certifications, like RHCE, LPIC or CISSP for Systems Administrator, or > college education works better? > > And, a final question: does my previous brazilian work experience have > any meaning for the canadian linux community? > > Thanks! Hi Renata! Please take what zg says with a touch of salt, we're really not that bad. :) You found TLUG, so feel free to come to our meetings. There are also several other open source and language specific groups in the area like TPM (Toronto Perl Mongers). Getting out and meeting people will be a big help. Help us get to know you. What projects have you worked on? What are your areas of expertise? As for prior experience; I've never gone to school for IT, but have been able to make a living. It's hard(er) to get a job with a bigger firm, but with smaller firms you can generally have good luck. It all comes down to what you know with those small firms. So if your Brazilian experience can be described, you should be golden. Another thought is; Your English sounds very good, so perhaps you could do some talks at some local geek groups do help get yourself known in the area? Look forward to getting to know you! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 6 21:08:07 2010 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:08:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: <4B6DCBD6.1010503-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B6DCBD6.1010503@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Feb 2010, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Renata, > > I never ever had any chance with these monsters. Nor with recruiting > agencies. IMHO, a sort of direct contact with people is the best > chance to get a job. Actually, I have no doubt that you were noticed > already on this list by these who know more or might or may not have > even slim opportunities for you. If so you are likely to be > contacted. If they dont have anything - you still may be contacted. > > I know, I have no doubt about that that you are excellent in Linux. > But I personally have a very bad opinion about Canadian employers - > they mostly have no idea who is good and who is not and (I would > even dare to say that a lot of them a complete ignorants and offer > jobs to ignorants), additionally, its rather used that since you are > a newcomer you must first to earn your fuc*en Canadian experience > (this is a sort of megalomany on their side to think that > non-Canadians have worser experience and also a lack of will to > learn from these who might be better than they are). > > Also, there is very little chance that you will get a serious offer > _before_ actually arriving to the country. > > My strategy which worked more or less well was to send a huge, > really a huge number of emails to companies that might perhaps be > interested in job offers. I used various databases of companies that > are available on the internet. If you want to try that way some day > - ask me privately. > > Also, have a look to other job announcements. But not at places of > these monsters. Avoid replying to ads from recruiting agencies. The > best is if there is an ad from employer directly. or take advantage of social media to build a following so people know who you are *already*. participate in mailing lists, get on twitter, build a following, start a blog, join linked in ... get your name *** out there ***. i know a woman who was approached, interviewed, then offered a job as worldwide chief marketing officer by the CEO of an open source technology company. at no time did anyone *ever* ask her for a resume. they already knew everything they needed to know about her from her twitter feed, her articles, her blog, her conference speeches, etc. it's *your* job to make a name for yourself. no one else is going to do it for you. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 6 21:13:30 2010 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:13:30 -0600 Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: <4B6DCBD6.1010503-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B6DCBD6.1010503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265490810.27279.44.camel@hatsya.starnix.com> On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 23:06 +0300, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > I never ever had any chance with these monsters. Nor with recruiting > agencies. I did get a 6 month contract with HP when I only had 1 year of experience out of university. It even turned into a full-time offer. It was a company called Data List but this was in 1994. I don't know how these things are nowadays. And it took about 4 months before I even received a call from them after submitting my resume. I haven't tried again since that job. > IMHO, a sort of direct contact with people is the best chance to get a > job. This is true. Networking is a must. > Also, there is very little chance that you will get a serious offer > _before_ actually arriving to the country. Probably true due to the March 1st arrival. > Also, have a look to other job announcements. But not at places of these > monsters. Avoid replying to ads from recruiting agencies. The best is if > there is an ad from employer directly. There's also workopolis.com. It's owned by the Toronto Star... Also, don't limit it to just "Toronto". Try "Toronto and area". Mississauga is right beside it and over 1,000,000 people. And more. Renata, there's also a non-profit in the west end of Toronto that has been trying to recruit me as a mentor. Their thing seems to be pairing up professionals in similar fields (a local and a newcomer) to help them get up to speed on customs and networking. It sounds like it's fairly successful. Send me a private e-mail and I'll dig up that info for you. Regards, --matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 6 21:22:29 2010 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:22:29 -0500 Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B6DDD95.3030106@rogers.com> Renata Rocha wrote: > I'll be arriving in Toronto in March 1st. I'm a unix/linux sysadmin > and, as a newcomer, I'll need a new job. I'm already looking for jobs > in sites like Monster and Craigslist There's workopolis.com, which often has employer postings (i.e. not the recruiters). If you want, I can forward your request to two Brazilian guys I used to work with. Maybe they can link you with other Brazilian tech people in Toronto. -- Yanni -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 6 21:23:01 2010 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:23:01 -0600 Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: <4B6DDA7A.4040000-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B6DDA7A.4040000@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1265491381.27279.53.camel@hatsya.starnix.com> On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 16:09 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Please take what zg says with a touch of salt, we're really not that > bad. :) Sure, we are. We're the only country in the world with jerks that like to take advantage of people that are disadvantaged or dismiss people because their accents are difficult to understand (or, maybe, their lunch smells funny). Heck, I know people that can't even understand British accents. Check the archives, Starnix is evil, too. We even take advantage of established Canadian citizens. ;) Anywho...Renata, meet Zbigniew. He's our local troll. But he lives in Russia. He's really not that bad, either. Regards, --matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 6 21:44:39 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:44:39 -0500 Subject: Canon MP250 Scanner/Printer Message-ID: I've got the printer part working with the drivers from Canon, and I also installed the scanning drivers from the same source. When I run sane-find-scanner, I get: found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9, product=0x173a) at libusb:001:013 But when I run scanimage -L, I get 'No scanners were identified', and running xsane just gives me 'no devices found' and on dialogue. I did some googling, but most of the solutions are kinda old or don't seem to apply. It's my first time trying to configure a scanner, so I don't even know where to begin, and I don't want to start flailing in the dark and make things worse. Any hints? -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 7 00:48:04 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:48:04 -0500 Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100207004804.GA5386@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Feb 06, 2010 at 05:35:17PM -0200, Renata Rocha wrote: > I'll be arriving in Toronto in March 1st. I'm a unix/linux sysadmin > and, as a newcomer, I'll need a new job. I'm already looking for jobs > in sites like Monster and Craigslist, but, I'd like some tips from the > toronto linux community on how the job search works. > > What sites do you recommend? What and when are the best open source > events that happen in Ontario, so I can attend? Do you believe in > certifications, like RHCE, LPIC or CISSP for Systems Administrator, or > college education works better? Usually, certifications don't matter, because Unix/Linux admin jobs are at senior level, usually. And, you don't need that many, unfortunately. > > And, a final question: does my previous brazilian work experience have > any meaning for the canadian linux community? Generally, it doesn't count. On the other hand, if they're looking for IBM S247 admin, then your previous experience with IBM S247 in Brazil counts greatly. > > Thanks! I think Monster.ca and Workopolis.ca are the main websites. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 7 02:27:55 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:27:55 -0500 Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: <4B6DCBD6.1010503-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B6DCBD6.1010503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6E252B.2010403@dinamis.com> On 02/06/2010 03:06 PM, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > I know, I have no doubt about that that you are excellent in Linux. But > I personally have a very bad opinion about Canadian employers - they > mostly have no idea who is good and who is not and (I would even dare to > say that a lot of them a complete ignorants and offer jobs to > ignorants), additionally, its rather used that since you are a newcomer > you must first to earn your fuc*en Canadian experience (this is a sort > of megalomany on their side to think that non-Canadians have worser > experience and also a lack of will to learn from these who might be > better than they are). While there may be some employers use "Canadian experience" to mean "immigrants need not apply", I'm sure they're in the minority, especially in the IT field. A substantial percentage of the population of Toronto was born outside of Canada. That being the case, with jobs where skills matter, it's simply not a rational economic choice to only hire those who were born here or grew up here. The pool is too small. I encounter plenty of first-generation immigrants in IT. As for your particular experience in Canada, Zbigniew, with your attitude, I'm not surprised you had difficulties. You exude negativity and always like to remind us how much smarter you are and how stupid Canadians are, and how how bad this country is. As an employer, I would rather hire someone who may not be a superstar but has a positive attitude and who is a team player than a prickly, capricious, and negative "superstar" who can't get along with people. The flip side of employers who discriminate on the basis of irrelevant factors are employees who see discrimination as the cause of their perceived or real lack of achievement. I've worked with a few people like that. They were always carrying on about how their employer was out to get them because they had darker skin, or whatever, while conveniently ignoring the fact that there were other immigrants of various skin tones, religions, and nationalities who seemed to do well with the same employer. Eventually, their constant whining and paranoia would become a self-fulfilling prophecy and either they would move on to poison some other workplace or they would be fired. I certainly wouldn't want to hire or keep a whiner like that around. They're just toxic. There is also a practical reason for asking for "Canadian experience". I'm not likely to pick up the phone to call someone in Poland or Russia to confirm that Zbigniew worked there and "Oh, by the way, what sort of fellow is Zbigniew?" If you had some local experience, the odds are higher that I can get the real story behind your story by working my network. As for employers not knowing who is good or bad, why is that so unusual, particularly for technical positions? It's not exactly shocking that if you put out an ad, you'll get many responses from unqualified or under-qualified people. It's safe to assume that many applicants will at the very least, embellish, if not misrepresent, their qualifications and experience so it's natural for employers to be sceptical. Making the wrong hiring decision can be very expensive so employers need to be cautious. Don't take that personally. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 7 03:03:01 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:03:01 -0500 Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: <4B6E252B.2010403-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B6DCBD6.1010503@gmail.com> <4B6E252B.2010403@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20100207030301.GA6036@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Feb 06, 2010 at 09:27:55PM -0500, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 02/06/2010 03:06 PM, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > >I know, I have no doubt about that that you are excellent in Linux. But > >I personally have a very bad opinion about Canadian employers - they > >mostly have no idea who is good and who is not and (I would even dare to > >say that a lot of them a complete ignorants and offer jobs to > >ignorants), additionally, its rather used that since you are a newcomer > >you must first to earn your fuc*en Canadian experience (this is a sort > >of megalomany on their side to think that non-Canadians have worser > >experience and also a lack of will to learn from these who might be > >better than they are). > > While there may be some employers use "Canadian experience" to mean > "immigrants need not apply", I'm sure they're in the minority, > especially in the IT field. A substantial percentage of the population > of Toronto was born outside of Canada. That being the case, with jobs > where skills matter, it's simply not a rational economic choice to only > hire those who were born here or grew up here. The pool is too small. I > encounter plenty of first-generation immigrants in IT. > > As for your particular experience in Canada, Zbigniew, with your > attitude, I'm not surprised you had difficulties. You exude negativity > and always like to remind us how much smarter you are and how stupid > Canadians are, and how how bad this country is. As an employer, I would > rather hire someone who may not be a superstar but has a positive > attitude and who is a team player than a prickly, capricious, and > negative "superstar" who can't get along with people. > > The flip side of employers who discriminate on the basis of irrelevant > factors are employees who see discrimination as the cause of their > perceived or real lack of achievement. I've worked with a few people > like that. They were always carrying on about how their employer was out > to get them because they had darker skin, or whatever, while > conveniently ignoring the fact that there were other immigrants of > various skin tones, religions, and nationalities who seemed to do well > with the same employer. Eventually, their constant whining and paranoia > would become a self-fulfilling prophecy and either they would move on to > poison some other workplace or they would be fired. I certainly wouldn't > want to hire or keep a whiner like that around. They're just toxic. > > There is also a practical reason for asking for "Canadian experience". > I'm not likely to pick up the phone to call someone in Poland or Russia > to confirm that Zbigniew worked there and "Oh, by the way, what sort of > fellow is Zbigniew?" If you had some local experience, the odds are > higher that I can get the real story behind your story by working my > network. Further to this... OP should know that Canada is "branch office" of US. This means most jobs are "sales" related. So, "Canadian experience" really means knowledge of business market, number of industry connections, etc. Anything that can make a "sale". > > As for employers not knowing who is good or bad, why is that so unusual, > particularly for technical positions? It's not exactly shocking that if > you put out an ad, you'll get many responses from unqualified or > under-qualified people. It's safe to assume that many applicants will at > the very least, embellish, if not misrepresent, their qualifications and > experience so it's natural for employers to be sceptical. Making the > wrong hiring decision can be very expensive so employers need to be > cautious. Don't take that personally. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 7 03:22:14 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:22:14 -0500 Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: <4B6E252B.2010403-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B6DCBD6.1010503@gmail.com> <4B6E252B.2010403@dinamis.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 9:27 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > There is also a practical reason for asking for "Canadian experience". I'm > not likely to pick up the phone to call someone in Poland or Russia to > confirm that Zbigniew worked there and "Oh, by the way, what sort of fellow > is Zbigniew?" If you had some local experience, the odds are higher that I > can get the real story behind your story by working my network. A further practical reason is that there are language and cultural and possibly even legal barriers to getting such information. - A Polish reference mayn't be usable if the folks doing evaluation don't have depth in Polish. (Ditto for Hindi, Cantonese, Russian, Mandarin, and any number of languages.) - Educational references are difficult to verify if nobody can read the transcript, or knows whether the school is a "real" one versus a "degree fabrication mill." This probably also applies to employers. A bit less comforting, but also the case... - Employers that don't hire "foreigners" weren't likely to *accept* them if they did hire them. If you don't conform to their cultural norms, working there wouldn't be a treat. I'd tend to apply this principle to the "big 4" consulting firms that live inside the remaining big accounting firms, albeit not in an ethnicity perspective. They participate in many countries, and definitely have a "racially diverse" population[1], but there's a keenly distinctive sort of corporate culture which few if any of us around TLUG are likely to conform to or be comfortable with. And keep in mind that it is *that specific culture* that led the evaluation of financial institutions, which allowed such recent massive financial disasters as Enron and AIG, and presumably, thereby, led into the worldwide recession that we are apparently presently in. Arthur Anderson is no more as a result of their responsibility for the Enron problem. [1] I spent some time at Deloitte Consulting some years ago; in the specific group I was in, I, as an Anglo-Saxon Canadian, was in the minority, as there were considerably more staff from (India, China, Eastern Europe) than there were native-born Canadians. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Charles de Gaulle - "The better I get to know men, the more I find myself loving dogs." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/charles_de_gaulle.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 7 04:36:25 2010 From: jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Miles) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 23:36:25 -0500 Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: References: <4B6DCBD6.1010503@gmail.com> <4B6E252B.2010403@dinamis.com> Message-ID: I am moving on from my Linux data center support position at IBM's Software Lab at 8200 Warden Ave on the 19th, so perhaps there will be a posting there. John On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 9:27 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY > wrote: > > There is also a practical reason for asking for "Canadian experience". > I'm > > not likely to pick up the phone to call someone in Poland or Russia to > > confirm that Zbigniew worked there and "Oh, by the way, what sort of > fellow > > is Zbigniew?" If you had some local experience, the odds are higher that > I > > can get the real story behind your story by working my network. > > A further practical reason is that there are language and cultural and > possibly even legal barriers to getting such information. > > - A Polish reference mayn't be usable if the folks doing evaluation > don't have depth in Polish. (Ditto for Hindi, Cantonese, Russian, > Mandarin, and any number of languages.) > > - Educational references are difficult to verify if nobody can read > the transcript, or knows whether the school is a "real" one versus a > "degree fabrication mill." This probably also applies to employers. > > A bit less comforting, but also the case... > > - Employers that don't hire "foreigners" weren't likely to *accept* > them if they did hire them. If you don't conform to their cultural > norms, working there wouldn't be a treat. > > I'd tend to apply this principle to the "big 4" consulting firms that > live inside the remaining big accounting firms, albeit not in an > ethnicity perspective. They participate in many countries, and > definitely have a "racially diverse" population[1], but there's a > keenly distinctive sort of corporate culture which few if any of us > around TLUG are likely to conform to or be comfortable with. > > And keep in mind that it is *that specific culture* that led the > evaluation of financial institutions, which allowed such recent > massive financial disasters as Enron and AIG, and presumably, thereby, > led into the worldwide recession that we are apparently presently in. > Arthur Anderson is no more as a result of their responsibility for the > Enron problem. > > [1] I spent some time at Deloitte Consulting some years ago; in the > specific group I was in, I, as an Anglo-Saxon Canadian, was in the > minority, as there were considerably more staff from (India, China, > Eastern Europe) than there were native-born Canadians. > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > Charles de Gaulle - "The better I get to know men, the more I find > myself loving dogs." - > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/charles_de_gaulle.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 7 06:48:34 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:48:34 -0800 Subject: Canon MP250 Scanner/Printer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a97ef1002062248p147b60adq4123d0363ef3892f@mail.gmail.com> How about if you run it as root. Long ago and still possibly now there were issues with scanners and device permissions, or in some cases stuff needed to be mounted in /proc/vus/usb and accessible to your user On 2/6/10, Thomas Milne wrote: > I've got the printer part working with the drivers from Canon, and I > also installed the scanning drivers from the same source. When I run > sane-find-scanner, I get: > > found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9, product=0x173a) at libusb:001:013 > > But when I run scanimage -L, I get 'No scanners were identified', and > running xsane just gives me 'no devices found' and on dialogue. > > I did some googling, but most of the solutions are kinda old or don't > seem to apply. It's my first time trying to configure a scanner, so I > don't even know where to begin, and I don't want to start flailing in > the dark and make things worse. > > Any hints? > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Sent from my mobile device Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 7 04:13:09 2010 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 23:13:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: <4B6E252B.2010403-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B6DCBD6.1010503@gmail.com> <4B6E252B.2010403@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <11533.99.253.254.243.1265515989.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> A further point is this: job hunting requires a lot of personal contact, making a good impression, talking enough but not too much and a whole host of skills that can be very difficult to pick up, even for someone born in this country. Cross-cultural behaviour can make that even more difficult. My wife taught ESL and she found that some students were willing to work at picking up those skills. Others simply dug in their heels and refused to 'compromise'. One of the latter, a highly educated mathematician, was last seen working as a security guard. On a somewhat related point, I have found that interviews are not a good predictor of performance. I recall in particular two candidates for work. One interviewed extremely well and was a total disaster. The other person interviewed very badly but seemed to know what he was doing, and turned out to be fabulous. The concensus from HR people on this seems to be that interviews are simply to determine that the person doesn't have two heads, but the real determination of talent and capability is on the basis of what they've accomplished in the past. For that reason, from the standpoint of job hunting, I'm a great believer in a 'project portfolio' to accompany a resume. I recommend 'The Very Quick Job Search', which has a number of useful ideas on job hunting. It's in the TPL. Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 7 14:23:47 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 12:23:47 -0200 Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: <4B6DDA7A.4040000-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B6DDA7A.4040000@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 19:09, Madison Kelly wrote: > ?You found TLUG, so feel free to come to our meetings. There are also > several other open source and language specific groups in the area like TPM > (Toronto Perl Mongers). Getting out and meeting people will be a big help. I have a friend from TPM, Lucy Salvi. I was a member of some Brazilian Perl groups, I'll probably join them. > ?Help us get to know you. What projects have you worked on? What are your > areas of expertise? Nowadays, I'm kinda of an Apache ninja :) Just kidding. My last job was at UOL - UOL would be Brazil's AOL. I was working with their e-mail develoment team, doing stress tests with JMeter, because they have 10,000,000 e-mail users (I'm talking about real ones. They have a policy on free unused e-mail accounts and they get deleted). The system is constantly uptaded and runs software theyselves develop, based on open source solutions like Cyrus. Very nice and big project, is the kind of thing I like. While in this project, I tested a session server/cache application build to deal with Memcached, written in Erlang. All the UOL apps are now using this Erlang app now, it works fine. I've worked with their forum application - initially it was a PHP app, then they migrated to a Java solution ("Secure, Stable and Easy Maintenance" - all it wasn't). The forum focus was teen kids, something like a brazilian 4chan, with some moderation. Man, it was the most crazy project I was ever in. You delivered a new version at 4am, five minutes later there was a whole topic pointing out all the interface bugs the QA team could not find. Rollback, let's fix the bugs. Next night, another delivery. This forum could stand one post per second, I was the only sysadmin in the backend, including performance tests, and my very first experience with scrum projects. Luckly, one day they decided to change the teams and I was moved to the authentication & authorization team. Very very interesting project, custom apache modules, all I love to do, debug, test and compile in different architectures, build them up together. I left UOL while working on this. This were my last two years, I believe it's all that really matters. I've worked before in datacenters (absolutely love them) and, in entry-level as technical support. I'm pretty interested in working with big infrascructures, or coming back to a DC. :) > ?As for prior experience; I've never gone to school for IT, but have been > able to make a living. It's hard(er) to get a job with a bigger firm, but > with smaller firms you can generally have good luck. It all comes down to > what you know with those small firms. So if your Brazilian experience can be > described, you should be golden. I don't have an IT degree. I've studied some Mathematics, but didn't graduate. I plan on studying again, but something different. > ?Another thought is; Your English sounds very good, so perhaps you could do > some talks at some local geek groups do help get yourself known in the area? Thanks, and, sure. I've done some speeches on the past, and this January I had a speech at Linux.conf.au, but I couldn't attend. -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 7 14:19:29 2010 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:19:29 +0300 Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: References: <4B6DDA7A.4040000@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B6ECBF1.7050301@gmail.com> In Russia you will get a well paid job right away. But not a personal life: most of males are drunk all the time around. "Most" however does not mean "all". ;) zb. P.s..: Unfortunately, it is not that trivial to go and work, and live in Russia Renata Rocha wrote: > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 19:09, Madison Kelly wrote: > > >> You found TLUG, so feel free to come to our meetings. There are also >> several other open source and language specific groups in the area like TPM >> (Toronto Perl Mongers). Getting out and meeting people will be a big help. >> > > I have a friend from TPM, Lucy Salvi. I was a member of some Brazilian > Perl groups, I'll probably join them. > > >> Help us get to know you. What projects have you worked on? What are your >> areas of expertise? >> > > Nowadays, I'm kinda of an Apache ninja :) Just kidding. > My last job was at UOL - UOL would be Brazil's AOL. I was working with > their e-mail develoment team, doing stress tests with JMeter, because > they have 10,000,000 e-mail users (I'm talking about real ones. They > have a policy on free unused e-mail accounts and they get deleted). > The system is constantly uptaded and runs software theyselves develop, > based on open source solutions like Cyrus. Very nice and big project, > is the kind of thing I like. > > While in this project, I tested a session server/cache application > build to deal with Memcached, written in Erlang. All the UOL apps are > now using this Erlang app now, it works fine. > > I've worked with their forum application - initially it was a PHP app, > then they migrated to a Java solution ("Secure, Stable and Easy > Maintenance" - all it wasn't). The forum focus was teen kids, > something like a brazilian 4chan, with some moderation. Man, it was > the most crazy project I was ever in. You delivered a new version at > 4am, five minutes later there was a whole topic pointing out all the > interface bugs the QA team could not find. Rollback, let's fix the > bugs. Next night, another delivery. This forum could stand one post > per second, I was the only sysadmin in the backend, including > performance tests, and my very first experience with scrum projects. > > Luckly, one day they decided to change the teams and I was moved to > the authentication & authorization team. Very very interesting > project, custom apache modules, all I love to do, debug, test and > compile in different architectures, build them up together. I left UOL > while working on this. > > This were my last two years, I believe it's all that really matters. > > I've worked before in datacenters (absolutely love them) and, in > entry-level as technical support. > > I'm pretty interested in working with big infrascructures, or coming > back to a DC. :) > > > > >> As for prior experience; I've never gone to school for IT, but have been >> able to make a living. It's hard(er) to get a job with a bigger firm, but >> with smaller firms you can generally have good luck. It all comes down to >> what you know with those small firms. So if your Brazilian experience can be >> described, you should be golden. >> > > I don't have an IT degree. I've studied some Mathematics, but didn't > graduate. I plan on studying again, but something different. > > >> Another thought is; Your English sounds very good, so perhaps you could do >> some talks at some local geek groups do help get yourself known in the area? >> > > Thanks, and, sure. I've done some speeches on the past, and this > January I had a speech at Linux.conf.au, but I couldn't attend. > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 7 15:05:07 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 13:05:07 -0200 Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: <11533.99.253.254.243.1265515989.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <4B6DCBD6.1010503@gmail.com> <4B6E252B.2010403@dinamis.com> <11533.99.253.254.243.1265515989.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 02:13, wrote: > > A further point is this: job hunting requires a lot of personal contact, > making a good impression, talking enough but not too much and a whole host > of skills that can be very difficult to pick up, even for someone born in > this country. Cross-cultural behaviour can make that even more difficult. I'm usually outgoing and not really shy. Let's see how this works. > My wife taught ESL and she found that some students were willing to work > at picking up those skills. Others simply dug in their heels and refused > to 'compromise'. One of the latter, a highly educated mathematician, was > last seen working as a security guard. Well, I had problems socializing with my colleagues at the Math school - not really because of me, but i thought they were crazy robots. > The concensus from HR people on this seems to be that > interviews are simply to determine that the person doesn't have two heads, I usually tend to be natural in HR interviews, and once a HR manager told me in a party I was the most funny interview she ever did. I answered honestly what I like to do in the weekends ( I like to go to pubs and I recommended her my favorite pub) and I asked if there was a place where I could park my bike. I got the job almost immediately. She must love pubs and bikers. > but the real determination of talent and capability is on the basis of > what they've accomplished in the past. For that reason, from the > standpoint of job hunting, I'm a great believer in a 'project portfolio' > to accompany a resume. > > I recommend 'The Very Quick Job Search', which has a number of useful > ideas on job hunting. It's in the TPL. > What's the TPL? -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 7 15:40:21 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:40:21 -0500 Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: References: <4B6DCBD6.1010503@gmail.com> <4B6E252B.2010403@dinamis.com> <11533.99.253.254.243.1265515989.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: > What's the TPL? Toronto Public Libraries Loves them to the hilt. The only thing I can whine about them is their wireless services are not that friendly to Linux. It connects, but their AAA seems to never work - on Linux that is > > -- > Renata Rocha > re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org > http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 7 21:15:30 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 16:15:30 -0500 Subject: mythtv and hidef tv cards suggestions In-Reply-To: <20100125212436.GE26872-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881001231308j3d059473na902c3e09b9cd37f@mail.gmail.com> <20100125162904.GA26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8881001250938ra88c195l48afc7982589f096@mail.gmail.com> <20100125212436.GE26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <32f6a8881002071315p42917be6u17de714260a4af6c@mail.gmail.com> That particular card only has RCA video/cable so yellow composite..which doesn't support HDTV resolutions >From what I understand they don't ship cards out with highdef input anymore due to copyright issues. Could someone tell me I'm wrong? On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:38:37PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> My friend has a HD-PVR USB adapter from haupauge 950q but I coudn't >> find drivers for it. Which HD-PVR USB are you referring to? I would be >> interested in doing something with a usb adapter if the price range is >> ok. > > http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR > > Driver is named hdpvr and included in 2.6.29.1 and greater. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 7 21:17:03 2010 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 13:17:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OT]: 2 Antec Sonata cases available Message-ID: <509519.9355.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hey folks, I'm about to move and was going through my locker where I have found 2 Antec Sonata cases in excellent condition. I've been using Sonata cases for all my machines exclusively for a number of years, these are the earlier models (either original or Sonata II). They are extremely well designed mid sized tower cases. So why am I getting rid of these? Simply put, the dimensions don't quite work with my desk setups and I have 3 other Antec cases that I use now. I have no desire to move with these. As such, they are available to anyone on the list for free** provided you come and pick them up. I live downtown near the Skydome. If you're interested please contact me directly at: mcg2ATrogers.com Offer is good for this week and if they're not gone I'll be offering them to the Craigslist/kijiji wolves next weekend. Cheers, -M ** While free, if you feel compelled to donate something towards my moving fund, that's cool, but not expected in any form or fashion. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 7 21:28:23 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 19:28:23 -0200 Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: References: <4B6DCBD6.1010503@gmail.com> <4B6E252B.2010403@dinamis.com> <11533.99.253.254.243.1265515989.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: First of all, I'd like to thank all of you for being so helpful in this topic. I cannot answer each one or I would flood the list, so I'll try to answer all-in-one: I've gone to workopolis and created a profile, thanks for this tip. :) I have a twitter account, will start to write in english, it'll make it more useful. Probably will make the same with my blog. :) I have done some speeches in the past, I'm open to new ones. John Miles: Can you please refer me to you DC HR website? Maybe when they open the position, I'll be interested. I have DC experience and would like to work again in a DC. Peter: You said your wife is an ESL teacher. I want to improve my english, where does she teach? (Well, I also want French classes, but this seems more expensive/difficult) I'd like some tips on IT resum?s. HR websites don't seem to agree if your resum? should be extremely detailed or should not last more than one page. This kind of information is driving me schizo and I really don't know what to write about me, formally. Thanks again, you're being very nice and I believe with your help my arrival will be a lot easier! P.S.: -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 7 23:20:17 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 18:20:17 -0500 Subject: Canon MP250 Scanner/Printer In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1002062248p147b60adq4123d0363ef3892f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1002062248p147b60adq4123d0363ef3892f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: No difference running as root. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:48 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > How about if you run it as root. Long ago and still possibly now there > were issues with scanners and device permissions, or in some cases > stuff needed to be mounted in /proc/vus/usb and accessible to your > user > > On 2/6/10, Thomas Milne wrote: >> I've got the printer part working with the drivers from Canon, and I >> also installed the scanning drivers from the same source. When I run >> sane-find-scanner, I get: >> >> found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9, product=0x173a) at libusb:001:013 >> >> But when I run scanimage -L, I get 'No scanners were identified', and >> running xsane just gives me 'no devices found' and on dialogue. >> >> I did some googling, but most of the solutions are kinda old or don't >> seem to apply. It's my first time trying to configure a scanner, so I >> don't even know where to begin, and I don't want to start flailing in >> the dark and make things worse. >> >> Any hints? >> >> -- >> TBM >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2 > > ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that > is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mrsabidel-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 8 00:59:23 2010 From: mrsabidel-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Abidel Bassie-Cripps) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 16:59:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Canon MP250 Scanner/Printer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <337983.59375.qm@web59502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> You might want to check out this link:?http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-Pixma_MP250 We have a mp190 and this is the site that lead me to solving the problem when I had Ubuntu 9.04, but I didn't need it when I formated to Ubuntu 9.10 Hope it helpsAbby --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Thomas Milne wrote: From: Thomas Milne Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Canon MP250 Scanner/Printer To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Received: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 6:20 PM No difference running as root. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:48 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > How about if you run it as root. Long ago and still possibly now there > were issues with scanners and device permissions, or in some cases > stuff needed to be mounted in /proc/vus/usb and accessible to your > user > > On 2/6/10, Thomas Milne wrote: >> I've got the printer part working with the drivers from Canon, and I >> also installed the scanning drivers from the same source. When I run >> sane-find-scanner, I get: >> >> found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9, product=0x173a) at libusb:001:013 >> >> But when I run scanimage -L, I get 'No scanners were identified', and >> running xsane just gives me 'no devices found' and on dialogue. >> >> I did some googling, but most of the solutions are kinda old or don't >> seem to apply. It's my first time trying to configure a scanner, so I >> don't even know where to begin, and I don't want to start flailing in >> the dark and make things worse. >> >> Any hints? >> >> -- >> TBM >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2 > > ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that > is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 8 01:11:04 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 20:11:04 -0500 Subject: Canon MP250 Scanner/Printer In-Reply-To: <337983.59375.qm-6lfro61OGmP5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <337983.59375.qm@web59502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yep, that's what got me to the point I'm at now. It's awesome that Canon provides drivers, I'm at least thankful for that! Now if only sane would recognize it... On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Abidel Bassie-Cripps wrote: > You might want to check out this link: > http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-Pixma_MP250 > > We have a mp190 and this is the site that lead me to solving the problem > when I had Ubuntu 9.04, but I didn't need it when I formated to Ubuntu 9.10 > > Hope it helps > Abby > > > --- On *Sun, 2/7/10, Thomas Milne *wrote: > > > From: Thomas Milne > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Canon MP250 Scanner/Printer > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 6:20 PM > > > No difference running as root. > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:48 AM, Tyler Aviss > > wrote: > > How about if you run it as root. Long ago and still possibly now there > > were issues with scanners and device permissions, or in some cases > > stuff needed to be mounted in /proc/vus/usb and accessible to your > > user > > > > On 2/6/10, Thomas Milne > > wrote: > >> I've got the printer part working with the drivers from Canon, and I > >> also installed the scanning drivers from the same source. When I run > >> sane-find-scanner, I get: > >> > >> found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9, product=0x173a) at libusb:001:013 > >> > >> But when I run scanimage -L, I get 'No scanners were identified', and > >> running xsane just gives me 'no devices found' and on dialogue. > >> > >> I did some googling, but most of the solutions are kinda old or don't > >> seem to apply. It's my first time trying to configure a scanner, so I > >> don't even know where to begin, and I don't want to start flailing in > >> the dark and make things worse. > >> > >> Any hints? > >> > >> -- > >> TBM > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > >> > > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > Tyler Aviss > > Systems Support > > LPIC/LPIC-2 > > > > ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that > > is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > ------------------------------ > Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet > Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! *Get it Now for Free! * > -- TBM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 8 05:02:10 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 00:02:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: References: <4B6DCBD6.1010503@gmail.com> <4B6E252B.2010403@dinamis.com> <11533.99.253.254.243.1265515989.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Feb 2010, Renata Rocha wrote: > I've gone to workopolis and created a profile, thanks for this tip. :) I've collected a list of some employment related web sites here: http://practicalsysadmin.com/wiki/index.php/Job_sites If you find any good ones I don't have mail me :) > I have done some speeches in the past, I'm open to new ones. Great, we'll get you to do a talk at TLUG ;) > Peter: You said your wife is an ESL teacher. I want to improve my > english, where does she teach? (Well, I also want French classes, but > this seems more expensive/difficult) At least in writing I have to say your English is very good. > I'd like some tips on IT resum?s. HR websites don't seem to agree if > your resum? should be extremely detailed or should not last more than > one page. This kind of information is driving me schizo and I really > don't know what to write about me, formally. When I got to Canada I was told not to make it more than about 3 pages. Mine is longer than that but I have a long employment history to list. The length hasn't been a problem so far as I can tell. > Thanks again, you're being very nice and I believe with your help my > arrival will be a lot easier! Good luck with everything. Migration is a big undertaking. I'm an immigrant too and I didn't realise how big an undertaking until I got here. I've been in Canada seven years next month, so I guess it worked out for me ;) Just based on your posts here you seem to have initiative and a positive outlook so I think you'll do fine when you get to Canada. Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org IRC: Solver Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 8 11:41:44 2010 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 03:41:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: default root password on Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <4B508170.1040703-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B508170.1040703@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <225962.8812.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi all, Is there default root password on Fedora 12. Unlike Ubuntu, the only user that I created during the installation is not in the /etc/sudoers file so I can not sudo. Is there a way to access root previlege? Thanks, EK __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 8 11:38:40 2010 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:38:40 +0300 Subject: default root password on Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <225962.8812.qm-Fzfr+oC8rxz5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <225962.8812.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B6FF7C0.7000506@gmail.com> E K wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there default root password on Fedora 12. Unlike Ubuntu, the only user that I created during the installation is not in the /etc/sudoers file so I can not sudo. Is there a way to access root previlege? > You may always boot from CD/DVD, get root privileges, and change passwords or other configuration. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 8 11:53:28 2010 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 08:53:28 -0300 Subject: default root password on Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <225962.8812.qm-Fzfr+oC8rxz5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <4B508170.1040703@alteeve.com> <225962.8812.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1089a0321002080353y2185a257r1bb9855ef9cf7b14@mail.gmail.com> There's no default root password on Fedora. You were supposed to choose your root password while you were installing it. In your case, I would suggest you to use a live cd to change your root password if you can't use sudo. You could boot a live cd and mount your fedora partition. Then you could use chroot on it. After this, you could change your root password with passwd or simple edit your sudoers file to change your user's privileges. ;] --- - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org - KDE Brasil Member - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:41 AM, E K wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there default root password on Fedora 12. Unlike Ubuntu, the only user > that I created during the installation is not in the /etc/sudoers file so I > can not sudo. Is there a way to access root previlege? > > Thanks, > EK > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! > Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 8 15:42:17 2010 From: stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org (Stephen W. Clarke) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:42:17 -0500 Subject: Quickbooks on Linux In-Reply-To: References: <4B69C049.4030705@tmis.ca> <4B69E9F1.7010205@rogers.com> <3a97ef1002040646y19cdae09p5adc06545de2b74e@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1002041425o5798be98m80dcbfded9e35e1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a10a99cbcbcc7348be62f643a85bbc2.squirrel@nray.ca> > What? You mean 2008 cost $1500? I am not involved with purchases, so > that was a little surprising for me Technically the price for Win2008 is $927.99 but if you want to have users connect to it (and why else would you have a server) you have to buy user licenses at $37.99 ea (I need 5). I also will need to buy 2 TSC licenses at $109.99 ea to allow for the 2 remote users to access the server via Terminal Services. With taxes this takes the purchase price to just over $1500. Obviously a linux/VM solution would be much cheaper. Stephen -- Stephen W. Clarke Marketing and Communications Officer Nray Services Inc. 56A Head Street Dundas, ON L9H 3H7 CANADA (905) 627-1302 x14 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 8 16:10:01 2010 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:10:01 -0500 Subject: Lithium Ion Battery Care In-Reply-To: <4B69C049.4030705-5sHjOODPK7E@public.gmane.org> References: <4B69C049.4030705@tmis.ca> Message-ID: <4B703759.1050505@utoronto.ca> On 03/02/10 13:28, teddy mills wrote: > LION batteries are like a relationship. > They require some care and attention otherwise they refuse to work > > I have left LION batteries uncharged for long periods, and when I want > to use them, the batteries do not charge. I understand there is a > lower limit, and if the LION battery falls below that, the LION > battery is essentially dead. > > I find if I leave LION batteries alone fully charged, they dont seem > to mind that. > > I am getting the idea the LION batteries prefer to be in the 80/20 > range. Not less than 20% AND NOT MORE THAN 80%. > > I guess my question is: If a LION battery is to be left unused for a > few weeks or months, what should be done topreserve them? > > Leave my MP3 devices in the freezer? Lithium Ion batteries don't like to be fully discharged, they're happy when you're charging them up all the time. I have the original battery that came with my PowerBook G4 (2004). I tend to keep it fully charged. When it's plugged in the battery will slowly discharge. When the battery charge reaches 94% the charging circuit activates until the battery is fully charged. At times (not too often) the adapter just shuts itself off and then depending on when I notice it the battery has gone through a deeper discharge. Unplugging and replugging the adapter turns it back on. I have a Sony Digital 8 camcorder that uses a LiON battery. The manual says that if the battery is not being used, to fully charge and discharge the battery once a year. And then I fully charge it. It has even leaked but it still works, so I keep a careful eye on it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 8 17:32:00 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:32:00 -0500 Subject: Anyone need a 9GB SCSI drive? In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002051936ye925135tf4b0a4ef9518b5e9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002051936ye925135tf4b0a4ef9518b5e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100208173200.GE4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 10:36:01PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > This is a stretch, but I thought it might be useful to someone: > > IBM DNES-309170 > 9GB > 68 pin female internal connector > power is standard Molex > > I've got a very long cable for it with multiple male 68 pin connectors > and terminator. No card, as SCSI was on the very old motherboard. > The drive has been DBANed (and appears to be in full working order). > Any takers? Might be useful in my Alpha box. I have tried running it with IDE but that has chipset bug issues. Either the existing scsi disk or the cable is dead though which is why I wasn't using scsi on it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 8 17:33:53 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:33:53 -0500 Subject: mythtv and hidef tv cards suggestions In-Reply-To: <32f6a8881002071315p42917be6u17de714260a4af6c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881001231308j3d059473na902c3e09b9cd37f@mail.gmail.com> <20100125162904.GA26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8881001250938ra88c195l48afc7982589f096@mail.gmail.com> <20100125212436.GE26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8881002071315p42917be6u17de714260a4af6c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100208173353.GF4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 04:15:30PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > That particular card only has RCA video/cable so yellow > composite..which doesn't support HDTV resolutions No that's on the front. Check here: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html See the back side? > From what I understand they don't ship cards out with highdef input > anymore due to copyright issues. Could someone tell me I'm wrong? It is a box with a USB connection, not a card. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 9 01:11:31 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:11:31 -0500 Subject: Xresources question; differentiating between 2 Firefox windows Message-ID: <20100209011130.GA7640@waltdnes.org> I'm switching from blackbox to icewm. Icewm has a winoptions file to allow different windows to be treated differently. I have 2 profiles on Firefox (default with paranoid noscript settings and a "wideopen" profile for a couple of trusted sites that require javascript, etc). I want to make the difference beteen them obvious. Is there any commandline parameter that will allow some X resource to be reliably set such that I can launch the same binary file with different parameters (i.e. the profile name) and reliably tell them apart by the X resource? Aside from a few ID numbers, there doesn't seem to be anything different at all... waltdnes at d531 ~ $ xprop > x1 waltdnes at d531 ~ $ xprop > x2 waltdnes at d531 ~ $ diff x1 x2 13,15c13,15 < bitmap id # to use for icon: 0xc00044 < bitmap id # of mask for icon: 0xc00045 < window id # of group leader: 0xc00001 --- > bitmap id # to use for icon: 0xe0003f > bitmap id # of mask for icon: 0xe00040 > window id # of group leader: 0xe00001 122c122 < _NET_WM_SYNC_REQUEST_COUNTER(CARDINAL) = 12582979 --- > _NET_WM_SYNC_REQUEST_COUNTER(CARDINAL) = 14680126 124,126c124,126 < _NET_WM_USER_TIME_WINDOW(WINDOW): window id # 0xc00042 < WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0xc00001 < _NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = 7818 --- > _NET_WM_USER_TIME_WINDOW(WINDOW): window id # 0xe0003d > WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0xe00001 > _NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = 7842 Any ideas? -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 9 02:16:38 2010 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:16:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux-related jobs in Toronto In-Reply-To: References: <4B6DCBD6.1010503@gmail.com> <4B6E252B.2010403@dinamis.com> <11533.99.253.254.243.1265515989.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <19612.99.253.254.243.1265681798.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Renata - Your English is probably good enough that simple practice with native English speakers will provide improvement. If you want to take classes, Dorothy suggests contacting the Bickford Centre on Bloor Street. They can do an assessment and tell you what is available. If you are moving toward Canadian citizenship, those classes may be free. Also, George Brown College may provide classes for high level in ESL to help with professional communication skills. > Peter: You said your wife is an ESL teacher. I want to improve my > english, where does she teach? (Well, I also want French classes, but > this seems more expensive/difficult) -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 9 02:49:12 2010 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 18:49:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: default root password on Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <4B6FF7C0.7000506-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B6FF7C0.7000506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <167008.29163.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > From: Zbigniew Koziol > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: default root password on Fedora 12 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Monday, February 8, 2010, 6:38 AM > E K wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Is there default root password on Fedora 12. Unlike > Ubuntu, the only user that I created during the installation > is not in the /etc/sudoers file so I can not sudo. Is there > a way to access root previlege? > >??? > > You may always boot from CD/DVD, get root privileges, and > change > passwords or other configuration. > > zb. > Thank you, EK > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 9 02:56:31 2010 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:56:31 -0500 Subject: Xresources question; differentiating between 2 Firefox windows In-Reply-To: <20100209011130.GA7640-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20100209011130.GA7640@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4B70CEDF.70400@teksavvy.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > I'm switching from blackbox to icewm. Icewm has a winoptions file to > allow different windows to be treated differently. I have 2 profiles on > Firefox (default with paranoid noscript settings and a "wideopen" > profile for a couple of trusted sites that require javascript, etc). I > want to make the difference beteen them obvious. > > Is there any commandline parameter that will allow some X resource to > be reliably set such that I can launch the same binary file with > different parameters (i.e. the profile name) and reliably tell them > apart by the X resource? Aside from a few ID numbers, there doesn't > seem to be anything different at all... > > waltdnes at d531 ~ $ xprop > x1 > waltdnes at d531 ~ $ xprop > x2 > waltdnes at d531 ~ $ diff x1 x2 > 13,15c13,15 > < bitmap id # to use for icon: 0xc00044 > < bitmap id # of mask for icon: 0xc00045 > < window id # of group leader: 0xc00001 > --- >> bitmap id # to use for icon: 0xe0003f >> bitmap id # of mask for icon: 0xe00040 >> window id # of group leader: 0xe00001 > 122c122 > < _NET_WM_SYNC_REQUEST_COUNTER(CARDINAL) = 12582979 > --- >> _NET_WM_SYNC_REQUEST_COUNTER(CARDINAL) = 14680126 > 124,126c124,126 > < _NET_WM_USER_TIME_WINDOW(WINDOW): window id # 0xc00042 > < WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0xc00001 > < _NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = 7818 > --- >> _NET_WM_USER_TIME_WINDOW(WINDOW): window id # 0xe0003d >> WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0xe00001 >> _NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = 7842 > > Any ideas? > I'm not sure if this is what you meant, but this article at MozillaZine might help. http://tinyurl.com/yelktlv -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 9 03:48:16 2010 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 03:48:16 +0000 Subject: default root password on Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <225962.8812.qm-Fzfr+oC8rxz5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <4B508170.1040703@alteeve.com>,<225962.8812.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 03:41:44 -0800 > From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org > Subject: [TLUG]: default root password on Fedora 12 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Hi all, > > Is there default root password on Fedora 12. Unlike Ubuntu, the only user that I created during the installation is not in the /etc/sudoers file so I can not sudo. Is there a way to access root previlege? > > Thanks, > EK During installation, unlike Ubuntu you would have been asked for the administrator's password. There is no default root password. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there a way to access root previlege? > > Thanks, > EK During installation, unlike Ubuntu you would have been asked for the administrator's password. There is no default root password. Oops! Apologies, I just noticed that this post has been amply replied to. I guess I'm a little behind in my emails. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 9 13:40:24 2010 From: alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:40:24 -0300 Subject: default root password on Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <225962.8812.qm-Fzfr+oC8rxz5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <4B508170.1040703@alteeve.com> <225962.8812.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey EK, how you doing? Boot up your installation DVD and choose Recovery, Anaconda will search for a installation and mount it at /mnt. Chroot there and change the password. Best Regards On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:41 AM, E K wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there default root password on Fedora 12. Unlike Ubuntu, the only user that I created during the installation is not in the /etc/sudoers file so I can not sudo. Is there a way to access root previlege? > > Thanks, > EK > > > ? ? ?__________________________________________________________________ > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Alexandre Alencar http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ COBIT, ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 9 18:22:55 2010 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:22:55 -0500 Subject: Changing Root Passwords without a Live CD Message-ID: <4B71A7FF.9030607@ss.org> Re: default root password on Fedora 12 This Process work on all linux systems, and only requires physical access to the machine. 1. While the machine is booting hit any key to stop grub from booting automatically. (On Fedore 11 and 12 this is a very narrow window between the bios and the pretty boot.) 2. type the character 'a' to append to the boot line and add the word 'single' to the boot line. (This is a temporary addition and will only last for this boot.) 3. The machine with now boot into runlevel 1, which is a network less Root terminal. From here you can run the 'passwd' command to change the root password. 4. Reboot the box, either 'reboot' or 'init 6' -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 9 19:17:27 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:17:27 -0500 Subject: Changing Root Passwords without a Live CD In-Reply-To: <4B71A7FF.9030607-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4B71A7FF.9030607@ss.org> Message-ID: <20100209191727.GG4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 01:22:55PM -0500, Scott Sullivan wrote: > Re: default root password on Fedora 12 > > This Process work on all linux systems, and only requires physical > access to the machine. > > 1. While the machine is booting hit any key to stop grub from booting > automatically. > (On Fedore 11 and 12 this is a very narrow window between the bios > and the pretty boot.) > > 2. type the character 'a' to append to the boot line and add the word > 'single' to the boot line. > (This is a temporary addition and will only last for this boot.) > > 3. The machine with now boot into runlevel 1, which is a network less > Root terminal. From here you can run the 'passwd' command to change the > root password. > > 4. Reboot the box, either 'reboot' or 'init 6' On many systems single user still asks for a password. If you instead append: init=/bin/bash Then you get a root shell no matter what with no access to anything else. You can then remount / as rw if needed (mount -o remount,rw /) and run passwd to set a new password. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 9 19:40:52 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:40:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Changing Root Passwords without a Live CD In-Reply-To: <20100209191727.GG4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B71A7FF.9030607@ss.org> <20100209191727.GG4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Lennart Sorensen wrote: You took the words right out of my mouth Lennart :) > On many systems single user still asks for a password. > > If you instead append: init=/bin/bash > > Then you get a root shell no matter what with no access to anything else. > You can then remount / as rw if needed (mount -o remount,rw /) and run -n may be necessary to account for a read-only mtab file: mount -n -o remount,rw / > passwd to set a new password. The only other thing I'll add is that the system probably won't reboot cleanly if you have used init=/bin/bash so remount the filesystem read-only before rebooting or resetting. mount -n -o remount,ro / Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org IRC: Solver Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 9 19:54:33 2010 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:54:33 -0500 Subject: Changing Root Passwords without a Live CD In-Reply-To: <20100209191727.GG4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B71A7FF.9030607@ss.org> <20100209191727.GG4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100209145433.3kctvmvj28wcwgsg@mail.math.yorku.ca> Quoting Lennart Sorensen : > On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 01:22:55PM -0500, Scott Sullivan wrote: >> Re: default root password on Fedora 12 >> >> This Process work on all linux systems, and only requires physical >> access to the machine. >> >> 1. While the machine is booting hit any key to stop grub from booting >> automatically. >> (On Fedore 11 and 12 this is a very narrow window between the bios >> and the pretty boot.) >> >> 2. type the character 'a' to append to the boot line and add the word >> 'single' to the boot line. >> (This is a temporary addition and will only last for this boot.) > On many systems single user still asks for a password. > > If you instead append: init=/bin/bash > > Then you get a root shell no matter what with no access to anything else. > You can then remount / as rw if needed (mount -o remount,rw /) and run > passwd to set a new password. Is there a way I can make it require a password to edit the boot line at all? I don't want anyone who happens to find my laptop, when I've walked away from it for five minutes, to be able to get a root shell! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 9 20:06:06 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:06:06 -0500 Subject: Changing Root Passwords without a Live CD In-Reply-To: References: <4B71A7FF.9030607@ss.org> <20100209191727.GG4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100209200606.GH4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 02:40:52PM -0500, Robert Brockway wrote: > -n may be necessary to account for a read-only mtab file: > > mount -n -o remount,rw / mount updates /etc/mtab after doing its work, so in this case it isn't necesary. > The only other thing I'll add is that the system probably won't reboot > cleanly if you have used init=/bin/bash so remount the filesystem > read-only before rebooting or resetting. > > mount -n -o remount,ro / Yes, or at least do a sync first. reboot does seem to tell the kernel to do a reboot, which does sync the filesystem at least, but it never hurts to be paranoid. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 9 20:00:42 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:00:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Changing Root Passwords without a Live CD In-Reply-To: <20100209145433.3kctvmvj28wcwgsg-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <4B71A7FF.9030607@ss.org> <20100209191727.GG4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100209145433.3kctvmvj28wcwgsg@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Mike Oliver wrote: > Is there a way I can make it require a password to edit the boot line at all? > I don't want anyone who happens to find my laptop, when I've walked away > from it for five minutes, to be able to get a root shell! Both lilo & grub support passwords to change the boot line but it's important to keep in perspective how much security this offers. Someone with physical access to the box can change the boot device in the BIOS and circumvent any bootloader protection. You can set a BIOS password but someone with physical access to the machine can even potentially clear that using a jumper on the motherboard (yes this would be quite obvious). You could rivet the case shut to preven this from occuring or you could just do what most us do and accept that if someone has physical access to the machine they can 0wn it (or steal it). :) Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org IRC: Solver Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 9 20:08:08 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:08:08 -0500 Subject: Changing Root Passwords without a Live CD In-Reply-To: <20100209145433.3kctvmvj28wcwgsg-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <4B71A7FF.9030607@ss.org> <20100209191727.GG4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100209145433.3kctvmvj28wcwgsg@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20100209200808.GI4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 02:54:33PM -0500, Mike Oliver wrote: > Is there a way I can make it require a password to edit the boot line at all? > I don't want anyone who happens to find my laptop, when I've walked away > from it for five minutes, to be able to get a root shell! Yes grub does support passwords both for booting certain entries, and for editing entries. Of course you better password protect the bios and make sure it can't boot from any external media too. And lock the laptop to the table, and clue the harddisk screws, etc. How far do you want to go? In my world, physical access means there is no security anymore. It is not a software job to protect against physical access. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 9 20:14:14 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:14:14 -0500 Subject: Changing Root Passwords without a Live CD In-Reply-To: References: <4B71A7FF.9030607@ss.org> <20100209191727.GG4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100209145433.3kctvmvj28wcwgsg@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <32f6a8881002091214n3590b40ay74638dc860c009c@mail.gmail.com> If your only concerned about the security of your data and the hard drive you can encrypt the file system and the data on it so no one can get access to it. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Mike Oliver wrote: > >> Is there a way I can make it require a password to edit the boot line at >> all? >> I don't want anyone who happens to find my laptop, when I've walked away >> from it for five minutes, to be able to get a root shell! > > Both lilo & grub support passwords to change the boot line but it's > important to keep in perspective how much security this offers. > > Someone with physical access to the box can change the boot device in the > BIOS and circumvent any bootloader protection. > > You can set a BIOS password but someone with physical access to the machine > can even potentially clear that using a jumper on the motherboard (yes this > would be quite obvious). > > You could rivet the case shut to preven this from occuring or you could just > do what most us do and accept that if someone has physical access to the > machine they can 0wn it (or steal it). > > :) > > Cheers, > > Rob > > > -- > Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org > IRC: Solver > Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com > I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 9 20:42:29 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:42:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Changing Root Passwords without a Live CD In-Reply-To: <20100209200606.GH4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B71A7FF.9030607@ss.org> <20100209191727.GG4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100209200606.GH4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 02:40:52PM -0500, Robert Brockway wrote: >> -n may be necessary to account for a read-only mtab file: >> >> mount -n -o remount,rw / > > mount updates /etc/mtab after doing its work, so in this case it isn't > necesary. /etc/mtab is on a read-only filesystem (/) hence the need for -n. It's a catch-22 otherwise. I've had to use -n many time over the years to avoid this problem. Perhaps mount has become smarter recently but I hadn't notice any change in behaviour. >> mount -n -o remount,ro / > > Yes, or at least do a sync first. reboot does seem to tell the kernel > to do a reboot, which does sync the filesystem at least, but it never > hurts to be paranoid. Setting the filesystem read-only will sync the disk, it must. Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org IRC: Solver Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 9 20:47:54 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:47:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Changing Root Passwords without a Live CD In-Reply-To: <20100209200606.GH4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B71A7FF.9030607@ss.org> <20100209191727.GG4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100209200606.GH4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > mount updates /etc/mtab after doing its work, so in this case it isn't > necesary. Oh I see what you mean. I swear I've had to do it both ways (rw & ro) but maybe there has been a change in behaviour in mount, or maybe I was being extra cautious. Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org IRC: Solver Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 9 21:51:45 2010 From: moliver-fC0AHe2n+mcIvw5+aKnW+Pd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Mike Oliver) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:51:45 -0500 Subject: Changing Root Passwords without a Live CD In-Reply-To: References: <4B71A7FF.9030607@ss.org> <20100209191727.GG4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100209145433.3kctvmvj28wcwgsg@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20100209165145.wofixnitk4koc88o@mail.math.yorku.ca> Quoting Robert Brockway : > On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Mike Oliver wrote: > >> Is there a way I can make it require a password to edit the boot >> line at all? >> I don't want anyone who happens to find my laptop, when I've walked away >> from it for five minutes, to be able to get a root shell! > > Both lilo & grub support passwords to change the boot line but it's > important to keep in perspective how much security this offers. > > Someone with physical access to the box can change the boot device in > the BIOS and circumvent any bootloader protection. > > You can set a BIOS password but someone with physical access to the > machine can even potentially clear that using a jumper on the > motherboard (yes this would be quite obvious). Yes, water seeks its own level but we still build dams. I'm not talking about security against someone who has time to physically open up the machine. I'm talking about making it difficult for someone with very limited physical access, like you might get in an airport or a coffee shop, to do anything nasty with it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 9 22:47:16 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:47:16 -0500 Subject: Changing Root Passwords without a Live CD In-Reply-To: <20100209165145.wofixnitk4koc88o-eRF/mgt17vYuqM34mc2EBrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org> References: <4B71A7FF.9030607@ss.org> <20100209191727.GG4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100209145433.3kctvmvj28wcwgsg@mail.math.yorku.ca> <20100209165145.wofixnitk4koc88o@mail.math.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20100209224716.GJ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 04:51:45PM -0500, Mike Oliver wrote: > Yes, water seeks its own level but we still build dams. I'm not talking > about security against someone who has time to physically open up the > machine. I'm talking about making it difficult for someone with very > limited physical access, like you might get in an airport or a coffee shop, > to do anything nasty with it. That's right. You can slow them down, but you can't stop them. Just have to pick the right slowdowns. Certainly a BIOS password, sane boot drive settings in the BIOS, and a bootloader password is a great start. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 10 12:43:26 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:43:26 -0500 Subject: Xresources question; differentiating between 2 Firefox windows In-Reply-To: <4B70CEDF.70400-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100209011130.GA7640@waltdnes.org> <4B70CEDF.70400@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <20100210124326.GA11270@waltdnes.org> On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 09:56:31PM -0500, Glen Strom wrote > I'm not sure if this is what you meant, but this article at MozillaZine > might help. > > http://tinyurl.com/yelktlv Not quite. I know how to launch 2 different profiles of Firefox. The problem is finding a way to reliably tell them apart via X resources. I want to be able to apply different colour schemes, etc, to distinguish them visually on my monitor. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 10 07:11:21 2010 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:11:21 -0500 Subject: Free IDE CD-ROM drives and HDDs In-Reply-To: <580071.21632.qm-4xim6713zGWB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <580071.21632.qm@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1265785881.28804.3654.camel@gont> hi salman, just saw this msg after a long time away from the list -- you don't still have these, do you? i could really use all that stuff actually, for my course. anyway if you do email me or call 647-402-8194, thanks! mattOn Sat, 2010-01-23 at 10:56 -0800, Salman Ahmed wrote: > I have a few (older) IDE components that I have no use for anymore, and perhaps someone on this list might be able to make use of these: > > *** IDE CD-ROM drives *** > (1) ASUS internal IDE CD-ROM drive (beige) > (2) Samsung internal SC-148C IDE CD-ROM drive (black) > > +++ IDE HDDs +++ > (1) Western Digital Caviar 10Gb IDE drive (2Mb cache) > (2) Maxtor DiamondMax 20Gb 7200rpm IDE drive (2Mb cache) > (3) Seagate Barracuda 40Gb 7200rpm UltraIDE drive (2Mb cache) > > All of the above are in excellent working condition; the HDDs have been wiped clean. I can also supply IDE cables if needed. > > Pickup from near Don Mills Rd and Eglinton Ave in Toronto is preferred, although I may be able to meetup in downtown Toronto along the Yonge-Eglinton subway line Mon-Fri around 6pm or so. > Please email or call me @416.271.0779 to setup a time. > > > Thanks. > > -- > Salman Ahmed > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 10 19:59:57 2010 From: fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Salman Ahmed) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:59:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Free IDE CD-ROM drives and HDDs In-Reply-To: <1265785881.28804.3654.camel@gont> References: <580071.21632.qm@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1265785881.28804.3654.camel@gont> Message-ID: <410792.88251.qm@web51807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yes, still available... You can have any or all of the following (as that's all that there is left): 10Gb IDE HDD 20Gb IDE HDD ASUS IDE CD-ROM drive I'll give you a call in the evening after 6pm or if I've been unable to reach you, you can call me at 416.271.0779. Thanks! -- Salman Ahmed ----- Original Message ---- From: Matt Price To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 2:11:21 AM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Free IDE CD-ROM drives and HDDs hi salman, just saw this msg after a long time away from the list -- you don't still have these, do you? i could really use all that stuff actually, for my course. anyway if you do email me or call 647-402-8194, thanks! mattOn Sat, 2010-01-23 at 10:56 -0800, Salman Ahmed wrote: > I have a few (older) IDE components that I have no use for anymore, and perhaps someone on this list might be able to make use of these: > > *** IDE CD-ROM drives *** > (1) ASUS internal IDE CD-ROM drive (beige) > (2) Samsung internal SC-148C IDE CD-ROM drive (black) > > +++ IDE HDDs +++ > (1) Western Digital Caviar 10Gb IDE drive (2Mb cache) > (2) Maxtor DiamondMax 20Gb 7200rpm IDE drive (2Mb cache) > (3) Seagate Barracuda 40Gb 7200rpm UltraIDE drive (2Mb cache) > > All of the above are in excellent working condition; the HDDs have been wiped clean. I can also supply IDE cables if needed. > > Pickup from near Don Mills Rd and Eglinton Ave in Toronto is preferred, although I may be able to meetup in downtown Toronto along the Yonge-Eglinton subway line Mon-Fri around 6pm or so. > Please email or call me @416.271.0779 to setup a time. > > > Thanks. > > -- > Salman Ahmed > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 11 12:35:33 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:35:33 -0500 Subject: Debian nvidia video problem Message-ID: <1f13df281002110435r15cc8fe0id444105f80bf5b9c@mail.gmail.com> I'm running a Debian testing system on my main desktop. Up until a couple days ago it was running three monitors on two video cards (one PCI-E and one PCI, both Nvidia 6200) on kernel 2.6.30-1-amd64 with the nvidia drivers. I have the latest nvidia-glx, module-assistant, nvidia-kernel-common, and the headers for all installed kernels. After an upgrade to kernel 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 I ran "m-a clean, a-i -t nvidia -l 2.6.32-trunk-amd64" as I had with the previous kernel. It built without any obvious errors, but an attempt to run X gives this: (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so: undefined symbol: resVgaShared (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (loader failed, 7) (EE) No drivers available. Fatal server error: no screens found All attempts to build the module for other kernels have given the same results: even reverting to the 2.6.30-1 kernel, and despite the fact that "m-a ..." seems to simply unpack the previously built module, which should be identical and should work? Am I missing a step? Or has something else recently upgraded in Debian messed up my system? Google hasn't helped much: references to the errors I'm seeing are for Fedora or Arch three years ago. Attempts to revert to the "nv" driver (even using only a single screen) get me bizarre colour bars on the screen, so I'm currently working on a laptop. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 11 15:50:11 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:50:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Debian nvidia video problem In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002110435r15cc8fe0id444105f80bf5b9c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002110435r15cc8fe0id444105f80bf5b9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Giles Orr | dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so: undefined symbol: | resVgaShared Perhaps this is a relevant bug report (but it is for legacy): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565314 or perhaps this thread: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=139388 I didn't check carefully -- I just googled. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 11 15:57:16 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:57:16 -0500 Subject: Debian nvidia video problem In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002110435r15cc8fe0id444105f80bf5b9c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002110435r15cc8fe0id444105f80bf5b9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100211155716.GK4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 07:35:33AM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > I'm running a Debian testing system on my main desktop. Up until a > couple days ago it was running three monitors on two video cards (one > PCI-E and one PCI, both Nvidia 6200) on kernel 2.6.30-1-amd64 with the > nvidia drivers. I have the latest nvidia-glx, module-assistant, > nvidia-kernel-common, and the headers for all installed kernels. > After an upgrade to kernel 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 I ran "m-a clean, a-i -t > nvidia -l 2.6.32-trunk-amd64" as I had with the previous kernel. It > built without any obvious errors, but an attempt to run X gives this: > > (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" > dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so: undefined symbol: > resVgaShared > (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so > (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (loader failed, 7) > (EE) No drivers available. > > Fatal server error: > no screens found > > All attempts to build the module for other kernels have given the same > results: even reverting to the 2.6.30-1 kernel, and despite the fact > that "m-a ..." seems to simply unpack the previously built module, > which should be identical and should work? > > Am I missing a step? Or has something else recently upgraded in > Debian messed up my system? Google hasn't helped much: references to > the errors I'm seeing are for Fedora or Arch three years ago. > Attempts to revert to the "nv" driver (even using only a single > screen) get me bizarre colour bars on the screen, so I'm currently > working on a laptop. What does this give: dpkg -l |grep nvidia I suspect you updated the nvidia-kernel-source, compiled the module and installed it, but did not then finish the upgrade to get a new matching nvidia-glx. Of course since testing doesn't yet have ndidia packages in it, you will have to get those from unstable. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 11 16:22:05 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:22:05 -0500 Subject: Debian nvidia video problem In-Reply-To: <20100211155716.GK4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002110435r15cc8fe0id444105f80bf5b9c@mail.gmail.com> <20100211155716.GK4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B742EAD.9060804@utoronto.ca> On 02/11/2010 10:57 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 07:35:33AM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: >> I'm running a Debian testing system on my main desktop. Up until a >> couple days ago it was running three monitors on two video cards (one >> PCI-E and one PCI, both Nvidia 6200) on kernel 2.6.30-1-amd64 with the >> nvidia drivers. I have the latest nvidia-glx, module-assistant, >> nvidia-kernel-common, and the headers for all installed kernels. >> After an upgrade to kernel 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 I ran "m-a clean, a-i -t >> nvidia -l 2.6.32-trunk-amd64" as I had with the previous kernel. It >> built without any obvious errors, but an attempt to run X gives this: >> >> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" >> dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so: undefined symbol: >> resVgaShared >> (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so >> (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (loader failed, 7) >> (EE) No drivers available. >> >> Fatal server error: >> no screens found >> >> All attempts to build the module for other kernels have given the same >> results: even reverting to the 2.6.30-1 kernel, and despite the fact >> that "m-a ..." seems to simply unpack the previously built module, >> which should be identical and should work? >> >> Am I missing a step? Or has something else recently upgraded in >> Debian messed up my system? Google hasn't helped much: references to >> the errors I'm seeing are for Fedora or Arch three years ago. >> Attempts to revert to the "nv" driver (even using only a single >> screen) get me bizarre colour bars on the screen, so I'm currently >> working on a laptop. > > What does this give: > > dpkg -l |grep nvidia > > I suspect you updated the nvidia-kernel-source, compiled the module and > installed it, but did not then finish the upgrade to get a new matching > nvidia-glx. > > Of course since testing doesn't yet have ndidia packages in it, you will > have to get those from unstable. I've pretty much just stuck with the nvidia.com binary package and use it as the installer. So far so good, I've had more grub2 breakage with Squeeze than I have had Nvidia problems. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 11 16:59:43 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:59:43 -0500 Subject: Debian nvidia video problem In-Reply-To: <4B742EAD.9060804-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002110435r15cc8fe0id444105f80bf5b9c@mail.gmail.com> <20100211155716.GK4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B742EAD.9060804@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20100211165943.GL4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:22:05AM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > I've pretty much just stuck with the nvidia.com binary package and use > it as the installer. So far so good, I've had more grub2 breakage with > Squeeze than I have had Nvidia problems. Unless you like your system to have the stability if windows, just avoid 3rd party installers. That's one of the main problems on windows. Lots of people have used nvidia's installer. They all think it works fine, until the day it doesn't. It is not a matter of if it breaks, it is a matter of when. It will happen someday. Sure it is always fixable, but it isn't always easy to do. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 11 17:03:19 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:03:19 -0500 Subject: Debian nvidia video problem In-Reply-To: <20100211165943.GL4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002110435r15cc8fe0id444105f80bf5b9c@mail.gmail.com> <20100211155716.GK4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B742EAD.9060804@utoronto.ca> <20100211165943.GL4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B743857.5010209@utoronto.ca> On 02/11/2010 11:59 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:22:05AM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: >> I've pretty much just stuck with the nvidia.com binary package and use >> it as the installer. So far so good, I've had more grub2 breakage with >> Squeeze than I have had Nvidia problems. > > Unless you like your system to have the stability if windows, just avoid > 3rd party installers. That's one of the main problems on windows. > > Lots of people have used nvidia's installer. They all think it works > fine, until the day it doesn't. It is not a matter of if it breaks, > it is a matter of when. It will happen someday. Sure it is always > fixable, but it isn't always easy to do. Well if I can't trust a grub2 update to not hose things, I don't really trust a kernel update either, as borne out (unfortunately) by Giles' experience. Perhaps I'm long overdue for an nvidia catastrophe, but that's what backups are for ;) Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 11 17:11:31 2010 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:11:31 -0500 Subject: Debian nvidia video problem In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002110435r15cc8fe0id444105f80bf5b9c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002110435r15cc8fe0id444105f80bf5b9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B743A43.2070006@rogers.com> Giles Orr wrote: > All attempts to build the module for other kernels have given the same > results: even reverting to the 2.6.30-1 kernel, and despite the fact > that "m-a ..." seems to simply unpack the previously built module, > which should be identical and should work? > > Am I missing a step? Or has something else recently upgraded in > Debian messed up my system? Google hasn't helped much: references to > the errors I'm seeing are for Fedora or Arch three years ago. > Attempts to revert to the "nv" driver (even using only a single > screen) get me bizarre colour bars on the screen, so I'm currently > working on a laptop. > You might consider using the smxi script to upgrade your kernel and install the latest nVidia drivers. You can find information about smxi here: http://smxi.org/site/about.htm#sgfxi HTH John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 11 17:52:56 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:52:56 -0500 Subject: Debian nvidia video problem In-Reply-To: <4B743857.5010209-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002110435r15cc8fe0id444105f80bf5b9c@mail.gmail.com> <20100211155716.GK4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B742EAD.9060804@utoronto.ca> <20100211165943.GL4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B743857.5010209@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20100211175256.GM4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:03:19PM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Well if I can't trust a grub2 update to not hose things, I don't really > trust a kernel update either, as borne out (unfortunately) by Giles' > experience. Perhaps I'm long overdue for an nvidia catastrophe, but > that's what backups are for ;) Grub2 has been a disaster lately for some systems (certainly a number of mine). I have mine frozen at 20100115 to avoid the 20100128 breakage. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 11 18:05:53 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:05:53 -0500 Subject: Debian nvidia video problem In-Reply-To: <20100211175256.GM4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002110435r15cc8fe0id444105f80bf5b9c@mail.gmail.com> <20100211155716.GK4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B742EAD.9060804@utoronto.ca> <20100211165943.GL4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B743857.5010209@utoronto.ca> <20100211175256.GM4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1f13df281002111005r23eabcabj6611483c0f9a54a9@mail.gmail.com> Can we focus on me here? :-) But seriously, if this thread continues to be about GRUB2 (and I don't help any below) perhaps we should spawn a different subject line. On 11 February 2010 12:52, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:03:19PM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: >> Well if I can't trust a grub2 update to not hose things, I don't really >> trust a kernel update either, as borne out (unfortunately) by Giles' >> experience. Perhaps I'm long overdue for an nvidia catastrophe, but >> that's what backups are for ;) > > Grub2 has been a disaster lately for some systems (certainly a number > of mine). ?I have mine frozen at 20100115 to avoid the 20100128 breakage. I'm fascinated by the GRUB2 thing: In ten years of using "testing," I don't think I've ever seen such a run of problems. It's always been very stable up until about three months ago, when it suddenly started acting the way I would have expected "unstable" to act. Almost entirely because of GRUB2 - the problem being that a bootloader issue has the potential to spectacularly bork a system, and it's done so repeatedly. I'm getting better at chrooting and re-installing GRUB ... Not a skill I had really wanted to improve. As for my video problem, I'll reply back this evening when I get home and can test. As usual, I think Lennart is right: I may have to pull some nvidia stuff down from unstable. Thanks. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 11 19:12:18 2010 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:12:18 -0500 Subject: LUG'ers on the other side of the world Message-ID: <4B745692.2060506@rogers.com> I came across this site for Beijing Linux User Group: http://www.beijinglug.org Interesting to see what events they have: "... Coding for Fun is happening on our now regular 1st Saturday of the month schedule. So if you're in a mood to meet up with like minded people, please bring your project whether it be soft or hardware and start hacking away on it." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 11 20:00:10 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:00:10 -0500 Subject: LUG'ers on the other side of the world In-Reply-To: <4B745692.2060506-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B745692.2060506@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1f13df281002111200r5979a6acub79b6dffc72a6247@mail.gmail.com> On 11 February 2010 14:12, Yanni Chiu wrote: > I came across this site for Beijing Linux User Group: > ? ?http://www.beijinglug.org > > Interesting to see what events they have: > > ? ?"... Coding for Fun is happening on our now regular 1st Saturday of the > month schedule. So if you're in a mood to meet up with like minded people, > please bring your project whether it be soft or hardware and start hacking > away on it." Great idea, but ... here's our problem: "Exoweb is happy to host this event and will take care of drinks as usual." We need a place, and we don't really have one. Drinks would be great too, but that's not the point: finding the space for any kind of LUG event in Toronto seems to be difficult (from what I've heard, I haven't tried or been part of the process). If anyone has ideas, I'm all for it. When I lived in Georgia, we would occasionally have "Hack Days" which were a more general version of the same thing: bring a Linux-related project of any description (install, coding, hardware revision ...) and work on it in company. It creates a really great atmosphere. You'll probably get less done than you hoped to, but the insights offered by others more than make up for it. Space and bandwidth was often provided by local universities, but letting "hackers" on your network doesn't seem to fly up here. And space is often considered to be "monetized." -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 11 20:34:08 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:34:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: LUG'ers on the other side of the world In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002111200r5979a6acub79b6dffc72a6247-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B745692.2060506@rogers.com> <1f13df281002111200r5979a6acub79b6dffc72a6247@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Giles Orr | On 11 February 2010 14:12, Yanni Chiu wrote: | > I came across this site for Beijing Linux User Group: | > ? ?http://www.beijinglug.org Impressive that they have English pages (as well as Chinese ones). | > ? ?"... Coding for Fun is happening on our now regular 1st Saturday of the | > month schedule. So if you're in a mood to meet up with like minded people, | > please bring your project whether it be soft or hardware and start hacking | > away on it." | | Great idea, but ... here's our problem: | | "Exoweb is happy to host this event and will take care of drinks as usual." | | We need a place, and we don't really have one. Drinks would be great | too, but that's not the point: finding the space for any kind of LUG | event in Toronto seems to be difficult (from what I've heard, I | haven't tried or been part of the process). Isn't Linux Caffe a fine place for a small group? DJP seems very accommodating. And he provides fine drinks (for a fee). Being limited to a little group might not be bad. Toronto does have a hackerspace before Beijing. From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 12 01:12:09 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:12:09 -0500 Subject: Debian nvidia video problem In-Reply-To: <20100211155716.GK4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002110435r15cc8fe0id444105f80bf5b9c@mail.gmail.com> <20100211155716.GK4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1f13df281002111712r69543cb2p4319207ef1a8ed41@mail.gmail.com> On 11 February 2010 10:57, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 07:35:33AM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: >> I'm running a Debian testing system on my main desktop. ?Up until a >> couple days ago it was running three monitors on two video cards (one >> PCI-E and one PCI, both Nvidia 6200) on kernel 2.6.30-1-amd64 with the >> nvidia drivers. ?I have the latest nvidia-glx, module-assistant, >> nvidia-kernel-common, and the headers for all installed kernels. >> After an upgrade to kernel 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 I ran "m-a clean, a-i -t >> nvidia -l 2.6.32-trunk-amd64" as I had with the previous kernel. ?It >> built without any obvious errors, but an attempt to run X gives this: >> >> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" >> dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so: undefined symbol: >> resVgaShared >> (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so >> (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (loader failed, 7) >> (EE) No drivers available. >> >> Fatal server error: >> no screens found >> >> All attempts to build the module for other kernels have given the same >> results: even reverting to the 2.6.30-1 kernel, and despite the fact >> that "m-a ..." seems to simply unpack the previously built module, >> which should be identical and should work? >> >> Am I missing a step? ?Or has something else recently upgraded in >> Debian messed up my system? ?Google hasn't helped much: references to >> the errors I'm seeing are for Fedora or Arch three years ago. >> Attempts to revert to the "nv" driver (even using only a single >> screen) get me bizarre colour bars on the screen, so I'm currently >> working on a laptop. > > What does this give: > > dpkg -l |grep nvidia > > I suspect you updated the nvidia-kernel-source, compiled the module and > installed it, but did not then finish the upgrade to get a new matching > nvidia-glx. > > Of course since testing doesn't yet have ndidia packages in it, you will > have to get those from unstable. I had the nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source packages v185.18.36-2 - since testing is still at 173.14.09-5 and unstable is now at 190.53-2, I had clearly downloaded unstable a while ago. So I fetched those two packages from unstable and installed them. Then built the module against 2.6.32-trunk. startx brought up all three screens ... but very slowly, and shortly thereafter locked up solid. This is repeatable: sometimes I can get to a console, sometimes not. The OS is still available, so I ssh in and reboot - as killing X doesn't seem to do the trick. Not quite sure where to go from here ... Should I be grabbing the unstable kernel, or would that only make things worse? Compile against one of the 2.6.30 kernels? Should I cut back to just one screen? Here are the error lines (nothing but, grabbed with grep) from the Xorg.0.log: (EE) ioctl EVIOCGNAME failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device (EE) PreInit returned NULL for ""Microsoft Microsoft 3-Button Mouse with IntelliEye(TM)"" (EE) ioctl EVIOCGNAME failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device (EE) PreInit returned NULL for ""Macintosh mouse button emulation"" -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 12 12:45:44 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:45:44 -0500 Subject: Debian nvidia video problem In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002111712r69543cb2p4319207ef1a8ed41-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002110435r15cc8fe0id444105f80bf5b9c@mail.gmail.com> <20100211155716.GK4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1f13df281002111712r69543cb2p4319207ef1a8ed41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f13df281002120445m4fb086a6xdb4571efc15b58ad@mail.gmail.com> On 11 February 2010 20:12, Giles Orr wrote: > On 11 February 2010 10:57, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 07:35:33AM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: >>> I'm running a Debian testing system on my main desktop. ?Up until a >>> couple days ago it was running three monitors on two video cards (one >>> PCI-E and one PCI, both Nvidia 6200) on kernel 2.6.30-1-amd64 with the >>> nvidia drivers. ?I have the latest nvidia-glx, module-assistant, >>> nvidia-kernel-common, and the headers for all installed kernels. >>> After an upgrade to kernel 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 I ran "m-a clean, a-i -t >>> nvidia -l 2.6.32-trunk-amd64" as I had with the previous kernel. ?It >>> built without any obvious errors, but an attempt to run X gives this: >>> >>> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" >>> dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so: undefined symbol: >>> resVgaShared >>> (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so >>> (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (loader failed, 7) >>> (EE) No drivers available. >>> >>> Fatal server error: >>> no screens found >>> >>> All attempts to build the module for other kernels have given the same >>> results: even reverting to the 2.6.30-1 kernel, and despite the fact >>> that "m-a ..." seems to simply unpack the previously built module, >>> which should be identical and should work? >>> >>> Am I missing a step? ?Or has something else recently upgraded in >>> Debian messed up my system? ?Google hasn't helped much: references to >>> the errors I'm seeing are for Fedora or Arch three years ago. >>> Attempts to revert to the "nv" driver (even using only a single >>> screen) get me bizarre colour bars on the screen, so I'm currently >>> working on a laptop. >> >> What does this give: >> >> dpkg -l |grep nvidia >> >> I suspect you updated the nvidia-kernel-source, compiled the module and >> installed it, but did not then finish the upgrade to get a new matching >> nvidia-glx. >> >> Of course since testing doesn't yet have ndidia packages in it, you will >> have to get those from unstable. > > I had the nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source packages v185.18.36-2 - > since testing is still at 173.14.09-5 and unstable is now at 190.53-2, > I had clearly downloaded unstable a while ago. ?So I fetched those two > packages from unstable and installed them. ?Then built the module > against 2.6.32-trunk. ?startx brought up all three screens ... but > very slowly, and shortly thereafter locked up solid. ?This is > repeatable: sometimes I can get to a console, sometimes not. ?The OS > is still available, so I ssh in and reboot - as killing X doesn't seem > to do the trick. > > Not quite sure where to go from here ... ?Should I be grabbing the > unstable kernel, or would that only make things worse? ?Compile > against one of the 2.6.30 kernels? ?Should I cut back to just one > screen? > > Here are the error lines (nothing but, grabbed with grep) from the Xorg.0.log: > > (EE) ioctl EVIOCGNAME failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device > (EE) PreInit returned NULL for ""Microsoft Microsoft 3-Button Mouse > with IntelliEye(TM)"" > (EE) ioctl EVIOCGNAME failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device > (EE) PreInit returned NULL for ""Macintosh mouse button emulation"" This morning the computer came up chunks and blocks instead of a BIOS screen at power-up. After I removed the second hard drive and both the dual head (but air-cooled) Nvidia cards, not only does the computer seem to be fine, but sound, which has been deceased for a couple weeks now, has returned. My guess is that the Dell power supply ("Lite-on, 350w") is aging and was probably borderline for the stuff I'd put in the case. Does that sound reasonable? If so, I should buy a new power supply: what wattage would you recommend putting in there (two Nvidia cards, two hard drives, C2Q 2400MHz)? What make? Thanks for the help with X: it's probably fixed, but it'll be another couple days before I'm in a position to check. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 12 13:08:52 2010 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:08:52 -0500 Subject: Nvidia or ATI Message-ID: <4B7552E4.6090107@golden.net> I'm building a new system for my sister in New Brunswick and want to pick the brains of the list. I've had good success with Nvidia based cards/boards but was also considering ATI. It is my understanding that they have released improved drivers. I've checked the Ubuntu forums and it appears that since Jan 2009 the drivers seem ok. Anyone on the list using them? I'm interested in their hybrid cross fire as well. TIA John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 12 13:42:31 2010 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:42:31 -0300 Subject: Nvidia or ATI In-Reply-To: <4B7552E4.6090107-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7552E4.6090107@golden.net> Message-ID: <1089a0321002120542t23f8c455lf5d351ba01184a6c@mail.gmail.com> ATI drivers are much better. That's a fact. But, for how long it will be? Question? Does your sister enjoy games? Heavy games.. with a lot of 3d? If not, I would choose an Intel based card. Why? Intel is one of the big players behind Linux development. They have a lot of money behind it. So they do use to maintain great drivers for their cards. With Intel cards you will probably never have problems with linux. my 2 cents.. --- - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org - KDE Brasil Member - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:08 AM, John Myshrall wrote: > I'm building a new system for my sister in New Brunswick and want to pick > the brains of the list. I've had good success with Nvidia based cards/boards > but was also considering ATI. It is my understanding that they have > released improved drivers. > I've checked the Ubuntu forums and it appears that since Jan 2009 the > drivers seem ok. Anyone on the list using them? I'm interested in their > hybrid cross fire as well. > > TIA > > John > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 12 14:20:47 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:20:47 -0500 Subject: Debian nvidia video problem In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002120445m4fb086a6xdb4571efc15b58ad-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002110435r15cc8fe0id444105f80bf5b9c@mail.gmail.com> <20100211155716.GK4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1f13df281002111712r69543cb2p4319207ef1a8ed41@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df281002120445m4fb086a6xdb4571efc15b58ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100212142047.GN4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 07:45:44AM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > This morning the computer came up chunks and blocks instead of a BIOS > screen at power-up. > > After I removed the second hard drive and both the dual head (but > air-cooled) Nvidia cards, not only does the computer seem to be fine, > but sound, which has been deceased for a couple weeks now, has > returned. > > My guess is that the Dell power supply ("Lite-on, 350w") is aging and > was probably borderline for the stuff I'd put in the case. Does that > sound reasonable? If so, I should buy a new power supply: what > wattage would you recommend putting in there (two Nvidia cards, two > hard drives, C2Q 2400MHz)? What make? > > Thanks for the help with X: it's probably fixed, but it'll be another > couple days before I'm in a position to check. Which kind of nvidia cards? Their power use varies a lot after all. The C2Q 2400 itself uses around 105W, add in another probably 20W for the ram and other mainboard parts. The power supply probably isn't as good as it claims (most aren't, only a few brands are truly what they claim). I use a 500W silverstone power supply for a box with the C2Q 2400, one nvidia 8600GT and 4 1TB WD Caviar Black drives. No problem there. I put a 610W in a machine with a Core i7 920 and one nvidia 275GTX. Remember power supplies are usually most efficient at around 50 to 60% load, so try to choose based on that (so if you machine will mostly idle, then aim to have 50% load be about idle power, while if you run it all out a lot, aim to have 60% load match full load on the machine). I would not want the machine maxed out to exceed about 80% load on the power supply, just to be sure it is stable. And that is assuming a proper quality power supply. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 12 14:26:17 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:26:17 -0500 Subject: Nvidia or ATI In-Reply-To: <4B7552E4.6090107-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7552E4.6090107@golden.net> Message-ID: <20100212142617.GO4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 08:08:52AM -0500, John Myshrall wrote: > I'm building a new system for my sister in New Brunswick and want to > pick the brains of the list. I've had good success with Nvidia based > cards/boards but was also considering ATI. It is my understanding that > they have released improved drivers. > > I've checked the Ubuntu forums and it appears that since Jan 2009 the > drivers seem ok. Anyone on the list using them? I'm interested in their > hybrid cross fire as well. My experience with ATI drivers so far is that they suck horribly. I can't tell if the latest drivers are any better since they discontinued support for the FireGL V3350 cards we were using in some machines at work (where they were a pain to get going at all). So we now have cards which have no drivers that work with 2.6.32 kernel. The answer so far has been to replace them with nvidia cards, which has solved all the hassles. Unfortunately ATI doesn't seem to have any 'legacy' drivers that are maintained for "old" cards the way nvidia does, so I guess those 2 year old cards are now junk. That unfortunately matches entirely with my past experience of service and support from ATI, so I am not surprised (unfortunately). I really do hope someday there will be opensource drivers for many ATI cards because ATI certainly has never been able to do the job. Their hardware design and quality is great. It's a shame about the software and support part. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 12 14:32:41 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:32:41 -0500 Subject: Nvidia or ATI In-Reply-To: <1089a0321002120542t23f8c455lf5d351ba01184a6c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7552E4.6090107@golden.net> <1089a0321002120542t23f8c455lf5d351ba01184a6c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100212143241.GP4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:42:31AM -0300, Marcelo Cavalcante wrote: > ATI drivers are much better. That's a fact. But, for how long it will be? > > Question? Does your sister enjoy games? Heavy games.. with a lot of 3d? > > If not, I would choose an Intel based card. Why? > > Intel is one of the big players behind Linux development. They have a lot of > money behind it. So they do use to maintain great drivers for their cards. > > With Intel cards you will probably never have problems with linux. Except with the recent 'polsboro (sp?)' design, which is very badly supported (it was apparently a design they got by buying up another company and it has all sorts of licensed parts in the design that they are now having issues getting permission to release specs for as far as I understand the situation). Other than that I agree. It's hard to go wrong with intel video (and usually wireless). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 12 15:02:01 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:02:01 -0200 Subject: Nvidia or ATI In-Reply-To: <4B7552E4.6090107-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7552E4.6090107@golden.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:08, John Myshrall wrote: > I'm building a new system for my sister in New Brunswick and want to pick > the brains of the list. I've had good success with Nvidia based cards/boards > but was also considering ATI. It ?is my understanding that they have > released improved drivers. > I've checked ?the Ubuntu forums and it appears that since Jan 2009 the > drivers seem ok. Anyone on the list using them? I'm interested in their > hybrid cross fire as well. Hello, I was running ATI at my workstation for the last two years. I had real trouble making things like dual-head work, and as for Jan 2010 couldn't get two monitors and visual effects working at the same time. Neither me nor anybody at my team - about 20 people running the same ATI driver with two or three LCD monitors. I would run away from ATI if your sister plans someday to run a more-than-one monitor setup. I used to be a nvidia fan, but it's been a long time since I've last used a decent nvidia videocard under linux, so I can't give you advice about it. -- Renata Rocha re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 12 15:05:23 2010 From: ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Ijaaz A. Ullah) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:05:23 -0500 Subject: Nvidia or ATI In-Reply-To: References: <4B7552E4.6090107@golden.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Renata Rocha wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:08, John Myshrall wrote: >> I'm building a new system for my sister in New Brunswick and want to pick >> the brains of the list. I've had good success with Nvidia based cards/boards >> but was also considering ATI. It ?is my understanding that they have >> released improved drivers. >> I've checked ?the Ubuntu forums and it appears that since Jan 2009 the >> drivers seem ok. Anyone on the list using them? I'm interested in their >> hybrid cross fire as well. > > Hello, > > I ?was running ATI at my workstation for the last two years. I had > real trouble making things like dual-head work, and as for Jan 2010 > couldn't get two monitors and visual effects working at the same time. > Neither me nor anybody at my team - about 20 people running the same > ATI driver with two or three LCD monitors. > > I would run away from ATI if your sister plans someday to run a > more-than-one monitor setup. > > I used to be a nvidia fan, but it's been a long time since I've last > used a decent nvidia videocard under linux, so I can't give you advice > about it. > > > -- > Renata Rocha > re-9siASaY8nq0dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org > http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > I'm a big fan of Nvidia on linux. I find that it's simple to install, is fully supported in linux and has VDPAU. VDPAU is the single reason why I have a fanless ION box running MythTV playing pack full video at 1080p with only 10% cpu usage. I don't believe that ATi (or Intel) has such support in linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 12 16:37:34 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:37:34 -0500 Subject: LUG'ers on the other side of the world In-Reply-To: References: <4B745692.2060506@rogers.com> <1f13df281002111200r5979a6acub79b6dffc72a6247@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100212163734.GQ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 03:34:08PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Giles Orr > > | On 11 February 2010 14:12, Yanni Chiu wrote: > | > I came across this site for Beijing Linux User Group: > | > ? ?http://www.beijinglug.org > > Impressive that they have English pages (as well as Chinese ones). > > | > ? ?"... Coding for Fun is happening on our now regular 1st Saturday of the > | > month schedule. So if you're in a mood to meet up with like minded people, > | > please bring your project whether it be soft or hardware and start hacking > | > away on it." > | > | Great idea, but ... here's our problem: > | > | "Exoweb is happy to host this event and will take care of drinks as usual." > | > | We need a place, and we don't really have one. Drinks would be great > | too, but that's not the point: finding the space for any kind of LUG > | event in Toronto seems to be difficult (from what I've heard, I > | haven't tried or been part of the process). > > Isn't Linux Caffe a fine place for a small group? DJP seems very > accommodating. And he provides fine drinks (for a fee). > Being limited to a little group might not be bad. > > Toronto does have a hackerspace before Beijing. Does http://hacklab.to/ qualify? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 13 02:00:40 2010 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:00:40 -0500 Subject: Old Device, seeking Clarification as to What exactly it is. Message-ID: <4B7607C8.30200@ss.org> This Old device has found it's way onto my desk. http://openrebel.ss.org/images/what-is-this-device.jpg (sorry about the flash, model is 174 A) With no visual display I'm uncertain if it's a signal generator, strange oscilloscope or any even more bizarre Millimeter. Love to hear some Guesses, and maybe some answers. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 13 02:14:02 2010 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:14:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Old Device, seeking Clarification as to What exactly it is. In-Reply-To: <4B7607C8.30200-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7607C8.30200@ss.org> Message-ID: <2753.76.10.170.134.1266027242.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> There used to be tons of these kinds of instruments for troubleshooting televisions and radios. Back in the days of tubes, every small town (in my case, Schomberg) had at least one radio/tv repair shop. This device is a pot-pourri of aids for troubleshooting. It would include a 'signal injector' for inserting an audio or rf signal into the tv or radio, and then some kind of detector so you could isolate the defective stage. Some of these units included substitution circuitry, such as an audio amplifier and speaker. Unfortunately, unlike some old scopes and voltmeters, this is not very useful except possibly as a prop in a (dated) science lab. The BAMA (boat anchor manual archive) has information on contemporaneous equipment, possibly even this one. You can read about scopes of that era in a paper I wrote: Oscilloscope Development, 1943-1957 http://www.syscompdesign.com/AppNote.html#TestEquip Peter > This Old device has found it's way onto my desk. > > http://openrebel.ss.org/images/what-is-this-device.jpg > (sorry about the flash, model is 174 A) > > With no visual display I'm uncertain if it's a signal generator, strange > oscilloscope or any even more bizarre Millimeter. > > Love to hear some Guesses, and maybe some answers. > > -- > Scott Sullivan > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 13 02:20:16 2010 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:20:16 -0500 Subject: Old Device, seeking Clarification as to What exactly it is. In-Reply-To: <4B7607C8.30200-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7607C8.30200@ss.org> Message-ID: <99a6c38f1002121820u45fb6781u4bd7dfdc587d93e3@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Scott Sullivan wrote: > This Old device has found it's way onto my desk. Nostalgia Air, who has a manual for the device, lists it as test equipment: http://www.nostalgiaair.org/references/Manuals/ http://www.nostalgiaair.org/References/Manuals/EIC/EIC_7.zip Best of luck with it. :-) -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ @psema4 Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 13 19:09:30 2010 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:09:30 -0500 Subject: LUG'ers on the other side of the world In-Reply-To: <20100212163734.GQ4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B745692.2060506@rogers.com> <1f13df281002111200r5979a6acub79b6dffc72a6247@mail.gmail.com> <20100212163734.GQ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B76F8EA.4070703@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Does http://hacklab.to/ qualify? > From their website, they're not entirely focused on software, which is fine with me. I've added a visit to their "lab" to my todo list. Thanks for the link. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 14 06:23:06 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 01:23:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Old Device, seeking Clarification as to What exactly it is. In-Reply-To: <2753.76.10.170.134.1266027242.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7607C8.30200@ss.org> <2753.76.10.170.134.1266027242.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: | From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org | You can read about scopes of that era in a paper I wrote: | Oscilloscope Development, 1943-1957 | http://www.syscompdesign.com/AppNote.html#TestEquip Thanks for that. Very interesting. My only scope is a Heathkit IO-12 that I rescued . I gave another tube scope to the hacklab but they eventually got rid of it for space reasons. I may have to do so with the IO-12. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 14 13:06:16 2010 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:06:16 -0300 Subject: LUG'ers on the other side of the world In-Reply-To: <4B76F8EA.4070703-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B745692.2060506@rogers.com> <1f13df281002111200r5979a6acub79b6dffc72a6247@mail.gmail.com> <20100212163734.GQ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B76F8EA.4070703@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1089a0321002140506p52df495du6b2a425cd455b8fe@mail.gmail.com> You're right. Their not just focused on software. But they have a nice place. Maybe a litle bit small for events. They have an apartment where every member has a copy of the key. They share the bills with a member month payment. But, as I know, they have open meetings to. With presentations,etc. But, for sure, is an interesting project. best regards --- - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org - KDE Brasil Member - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Yanni Chiu wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> Does http://hacklab.to/ qualify? >> >> From their website, they're not entirely focused on software, which is > fine with me. I've added a visit to their "lab" to my todo list. Thanks for > the link. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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In-Reply-To: <4B7607C8.30200-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7607C8.30200@ss.org> Message-ID: <4B78015C.7090508@rogers.com> Scott Sullivan wrote: > This Old device has found it's way onto my desk. > > http://openrebel.ss.org/images/what-is-this-device.jpg > (sorry about the flash, model is 174 A) > > With no visual display I'm uncertain if it's a signal generator, > strange oscilloscope or any even more bizarre Millimeter. > > Love to hear some Guesses, and maybe some answers. > It's a "signal tracer". When working on a radio etc., the service tech might use a signal tracer to find out how far a signal is getting though a radio, to isolate the defective stage. A complimentary instrument would be a "signal injector", which is used to see how far back a radio works. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 14 18:06:48 2010 From: ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Ijaaz A. Ullah) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:06:48 -0500 Subject: WorldGaming is looking for a Sr. Linux System Administrator Message-ID: I've posted this to the classified section on the wiki, but I figured that it'd hit more people this way. WorldGaming (www.worldgaming.com) is a social networking site for console video gamers. (Xbox, PS3, etc) to meet one-another, talk smack, schedule games, and participate in head-to-head games and multi-player tournaments for pride, cash and prizes. We are a Toronto based startup, with a growing community in North America and Europe, and expansion plans into Central and South America and Asia. We are looking for a seasoned Linux Administrator to join our team and help us continue to mature and grow our environments. At WorldGaming you will work with other smart, passionate, collaborative and fun people who share your passion for technology. As the Linux Administrator you will be responsible for day to day management of the WorldGaming systems (production, staging, QA, development and corporate IT) . This includes Linux Servers (CentOS), Load Balancers, NAS, switches, routers and firewall gear. The software stack includes Apache, Tomcat, PostgreSQL and Terracotta. You?ll work on clustering and HA solutions, performance tuning, 24x7x365 (or x366 during a leap year) systems in a b2c space. Requirements: - Must have enterprise hands-on experience building, configuring and maintaining a high-availability enterprise Linux environment utilizing Apache, Tomcat, SSL and load balancing - Knowledge of networking architectures and protocols and troubleshooting tools, ethereal, Wireshark, etc - Network and system performance tuning - Comfortable running cables, racking/building servers, and troubleshooting hardware issues. - Experience managing network devices including switches, routers, firewalls, VPNs, load balancers, etc - Has implemented Bcfg2, Cfengine or puppet in a production environment - Familiar with VMware/Xen virtulization - Configured Postfix/Sendmail in HA environment. - Familiar with Bugzilla, SVN, Nagios, Cacti, shell scripting, LDAP and Kerberos. We are open source friendly. - Experience with databases, namely PostgreSQL - Participate in the on-call rotation for after hours incident resolution - 5+ years of progressive experience in system administration in a distributed Unix/Linux environment - RHCE would be an asset - A College diploma or University degree or relevant job experience in computer science or engineering To apply, send your resume to jobs-92JtoIHL8UDwvR0lvYjcXw at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 14 18:21:03 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:21:03 -0500 Subject: WorldGaming is looking for a Sr. Linux System Administrator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B783F0F.8070500@alteeve.com> Ijaaz A. Ullah wrote: > I've posted this to the classified section on the wiki, but I figured > that it'd hit more people this way. > > WorldGaming (www.worldgaming.com) is a social networking site for > console video gamers. > > (Xbox, PS3, etc) to meet one-another, talk smack, schedule games, and > participate in head-to-head games and multi-player tournaments for > pride, cash and prizes. We are a Toronto based startup, with a > growing community in North America and Europe, and expansion plans > into Central and South America and Asia. We are looking for a > seasoned Linux Administrator to join our team and help us continue to > mature and grow our environments. > > At WorldGaming you will work with other smart, passionate, > collaborative and fun people who share your passion for technology. > > As the Linux Administrator you will be responsible for day to day > management of the WorldGaming systems (production, staging, QA, > development and corporate IT) . This includes Linux Servers (CentOS), > Load Balancers, NAS, switches, routers and firewall gear. The > software stack includes Apache, Tomcat, PostgreSQL and Terracotta. > You?ll work on clustering and HA solutions, performance tuning, > 24x7x365 (or x366 during a leap year) systems in a b2c space. > > Requirements: > > - Must have enterprise hands-on experience building, configuring and > maintaining a high-availability enterprise Linux environment utilizing > Apache, Tomcat, SSL and load balancing > - Knowledge of networking architectures and protocols and > troubleshooting tools, ethereal, Wireshark, etc > - Network and system performance tuning > - Comfortable running cables, racking/building servers, and > troubleshooting hardware issues. > - Experience managing network devices including switches, routers, > firewalls, VPNs, load balancers, etc > - Has implemented Bcfg2, Cfengine or puppet in a production environment > - Familiar with VMware/Xen virtulization > - Configured Postfix/Sendmail in HA environment. > - Familiar with Bugzilla, SVN, Nagios, Cacti, shell scripting, LDAP > and Kerberos. We are open source friendly. > - Experience with databases, namely PostgreSQL > - Participate in the on-call rotation for after hours incident resolution > - 5+ years of progressive experience in system administration in a > distributed Unix/Linux environment > - RHCE would be an asset > - A College diploma or University degree or relevant job experience in > computer science or engineering > > To apply, send your resume to jobs-92JtoIHL8UDwvR0lvYjcXw at public.gmane.org Sounds like a fun job. That's quite the requirements list though; Might help garner responses by mentioning in the ad the compensation range you're offering. Cheers, and best of luck. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 14 18:30:12 2010 From: ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Ijaaz A. Ullah) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:30:12 -0500 Subject: WorldGaming is looking for a Sr. Linux System Administrator In-Reply-To: <4B783F0F.8070500-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B783F0F.8070500@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Digimer wrote: > Ijaaz A. Ullah wrote: >> >> I've posted this to the classified section on the wiki, but I figured >> that it'd hit more people this way. >> >> WorldGaming (www.worldgaming.com) ?is a social networking site for >> console video gamers. >> >> (Xbox, PS3, etc) to meet one-another, talk smack, schedule games, and >> participate in head-to-head games and multi-player tournaments for >> pride, cash and prizes. ?We are a Toronto based startup, with a >> growing community in North America and Europe, and expansion plans >> into Central and South America and Asia. ?We are looking for a >> seasoned Linux Administrator to join our team and help us continue to >> mature and grow our environments. >> >> At WorldGaming you will work with other smart, passionate, >> collaborative and fun people who share your passion for technology. >> >> As the Linux Administrator you will be responsible for day to day >> management of the WorldGaming systems (production, staging, QA, >> development and corporate IT) . This includes Linux Servers (CentOS), >> Load Balancers, NAS, switches, routers and firewall gear. ?The >> software stack includes Apache, Tomcat, PostgreSQL and Terracotta. >> You?ll work on clustering and HA solutions, performance tuning, >> 24x7x365 (or x366 during a leap year) systems in a b2c space. >> >> Requirements: >> >> - Must have enterprise hands-on experience building, configuring and >> maintaining a high-availability enterprise Linux environment utilizing >> Apache, Tomcat, SSL and load balancing >> - Knowledge of networking architectures and protocols and >> troubleshooting tools, ethereal, Wireshark, etc >> - Network and system performance tuning >> - Comfortable running cables, racking/building servers, and >> troubleshooting hardware issues. >> - Experience managing network devices including switches, routers, >> firewalls, VPNs, load balancers, etc >> - Has implemented Bcfg2, Cfengine or puppet in a production environment >> - Familiar with VMware/Xen virtulization >> - Configured Postfix/Sendmail in HA environment. >> - Familiar with Bugzilla, SVN, Nagios, Cacti, shell scripting, LDAP >> and Kerberos. ?We are open source friendly. >> - Experience with databases, namely PostgreSQL >> - Participate in the on-call rotation for after hours incident resolution >> - 5+ years of progressive experience in system administration in a >> distributed Unix/Linux environment >> - RHCE would be an asset >> - A College diploma or University degree or relevant job experience in >> computer science or engineering >> >> To apply, send your resume to jobs-92JtoIHL8UDwvR0lvYjcXw at public.gmane.org > > Sounds like a fun job. That's quite the requirements list though; Might help > garner responses by mentioning in the ad the compensation range you're > offering. > > Cheers, and best of luck. Thanks. It's company policy not to post salary ranges for any jobs. Since I'm the one who's currently doing this job, I have a good idea of what it should pay and can make a good decision based on the applicant. i.e. I'm not expecting someone to come in meeting the majority of these requirements and only offer them 60k :) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 14 19:27:34 2010 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:27:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Old Device, seeking Clarification as to What exactly it is. In-Reply-To: References: <4B7607C8.30200@ss.org> <2753.76.10.170.134.1266027242.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <1501.76.10.170.134.1266175654.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> The Heath scopes were very cost-effective in their day, but they are very, very obsolete compared to modern units. For example, all scopes today have DC coupling on the vertical axis and a triggered timebase. So it's not much use for measurements, but it's interesting as a historical artifact. You might find a taker on Ebay, but it won't go for much. Peter > | From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org > > | You can read about scopes of that era in a paper I wrote: > | Oscilloscope Development, 1943-1957 > | http://www.syscompdesign.com/AppNote.html#TestEquip > > Thanks for that. Very interesting. > > My only scope is a Heathkit IO-12 that I rescued > . > > I gave another tube scope to the hacklab but they eventually got rid > of it for space reasons. I may have to do so with the IO-12. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 15 10:57:49 2010 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Is this another RIAA or is it legit? Message-ID: My frustration with paper searches, as well as the frustration of the Cambridge scientist who was asked to pay $48 to view his own Creative Commons licensed paper some time ago (see Slashdot) has led me to discover PRISM. Good or evil? http://www.prismcoalition.org/topics.htm They seem to be strong advocates of selling for good money to the public what has been already paid for by said public in the form of taxes, which paid for the research, and of said government not interfering in said selling. This does not even touch upon the subject of Creative Commons and Public Domani papers (but I have touched that issue in the previous paragraph). I am not amused. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 15 11:43:16 2010 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:43:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Is this another RIAA or is it legit? References: Message-ID: I think that I found its Open Source (or Access) counterpart: http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/lists.htm#declarations Why are these things not publicized more? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 15 14:14:08 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:14:08 -0500 Subject: Is this another RIAA or is it legit? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:43 AM, Peter wrote: > I think that I found its Open Source (or Access) counterpart: > > ?http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/lists.htm#declarations > > Why are these things not publicized more? Seems rhetorical... It's certainly more attractive, money-wise, to publicize things that can make one more money than those that won't. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Joan Crawford - "I, Joan Crawford, I believe in the dollar. Everything I earn, I spend." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/joan_crawford.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 15 15:42:26 2010 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Is this another RIAA or is it legit? References: Message-ID: Christopher Browne writes: > Seems rhetorical... > > It's certainly more attractive, money-wise, to publicize things that > can make one more money than those that won't. Well it is rhetorical since I found the semantic antonym of the original question. I was asking more in the sense of "why is this theme not discussed more" (in open source circles at least - and, related to that, why does it not show up prominently in Google searches - are there that few people busy with the issue?). It is normal to charge for papers, even if for bandwidth or storage. However, there are limits to that, as the reactions of certain university boards show. Also it is normal for widely circulated papers to have more than one publisher and to be available in several formats, paper (processed dead tree) not being one of them lately. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 15 16:10:17 2010 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:10:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Is this another RIAA or is it legit? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1103.76.10.170.134.1266250217.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> The high price of on line reprints is a serious deterrent to independent scholarship. In Toronto, we have access to a number of good libraries, but electronic publications are only available to registered students and faculty of those universities. I wouldn't mind paying a few bucks for some of these papers but the going web price is in the order of $30. That's ridiculous. It should be legally required that taxpayer supported research is reported in the open literature. One simple way to accomplish that would be to ensure that researchers retain copyright to their papers and have the right to publish on the web. (Another) Peter > Christopher Browne writes: >> Seems rhetorical... >> >> It's certainly more attractive, money-wise, to publicize things that >> can make one more money than those that won't. > > Well it is rhetorical since I found the semantic antonym of the original > question. I was asking more in the sense of "why is this theme not > discussed > more" (in open source circles at least - and, related to that, why does it > not > show up prominently in Google searches - are there that few people busy > with the > issue?). > > It is normal to charge for papers, even if for bandwidth or storage. > However, > there are limits to that, as the reactions of certain university boards > show. > Also it is normal for widely circulated papers to have more than one > publisher > and to be available in several formats, paper (processed dead tree) not > being > one of them lately. > > Peter > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 15 16:20:35 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:20:35 -0500 Subject: Is this another RIAA or is it legit? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B797453.8090307@rogers.com> Peter wrote: > My frustration with paper searches, as well as the frustration of the Cambridge > scientist who was asked to pay $48 to view his own Creative Commons licensed > paper some time ago (see Slashdot) has led me to discover PRISM. Good or evil? > > http://www.prismcoalition.org/topics.htm > > They seem to be strong advocates of selling for good money to the public what > has been already paid for by said public in the form of taxes, which paid for > the research, and of said government not interfering in said selling. This does > not even touch upon the subject of Creative Commons and Public Domani papers > (but I have touched that issue in the previous paragraph). I am not amused. > > It does seem to be another example of greed harming the public good. If the research was paid for with tax dollars, the results belong to the taxpayer. I don't have a problem with someone charging for publishing books or creating a search web site, provided the content is freely available elsewhere. A good example would be the internet RFCs. While you can buy books etc., the content, in plain text form, is still freely available for download or on-line reading. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 15 17:23:34 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:23:34 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a spare monitor? Message-ID: <20100215172334.GA14468@yam.witteman.ca> Does anyone have a spare monitor? My cousin's monitor just died, and she doesn't have the budget for a new one right now. I usually have one, but I recently cleared out the basement. Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 15 19:18:57 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:18:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Is this another RIAA or is it legit? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Peter | My frustration with paper searches, as well as the frustration of the Cambridge | scientist who was asked to pay $48 to view his own Creative Commons licensed | paper some time ago (see Slashdot) Reference? | has led me to discover PRISM. Good or evil? | | http://www.prismcoalition.org/topics.htm Nothing there seems to have changed in a while. Here's a Lessig article on an ongoing attempt to reverse the (US) NIH's Open Access policy via legislation. An earlier version was mentioned on prismacoalition.org: http://www.lessig.org/blog/2009/03/john_conyers_and_open_access.html | They seem to be strong advocates of selling for good money to the public what | has been already paid for by said public in the form of taxes, which paid for | the research, and of said government not interfering in said selling. This is a complicated topic. Everyone sees things differently. Some issues: - the only kind of dead-tree publishing that I know still makes money is academic publishing. Probably there is money in publishing text books (a different kind of academic publishing) and legally mandated documents. - the sands are shifting under all publishers and they want to hold on for dear life to anything that looks like it might still work - As I understand it, academic publishing is done by two kinds of entities: scholarly societies (eg. ACM, IEEE) and commercial publishers (eg. Elsevier, Springer, North Holland, Kluwer). - The commercial publishers are wildly profitable and very consolidated. The prices for their journals are unreasonable. - The journals published by scholarly societies are not cheap. At ACM, some of the revenue from publishing is used to subsidize other activities. There is a controversy about this now, triggered by ACM resisting some forms of open access. I pay something like US$100 per year to access ACM journals online (I dropped my paper subscriptions a couple of years ago). - my kids don't experience "the literature" the way I did. They seem to get current things from the arXiv as far as I know. One has a paper accepted by a Springer journal but still gets to put it on arXiv. They do require that the arXiv version point to Springer's version. Apparently university libraries still subscribe. - peer review is still important and must be preserved. Traditionally referees don't get paid but I think that editors do; there still are costs, but they seem minor. - the real scarcity is of eyeballs. I've seen claims (that I don't trust) that the average number of readers for a paper is less than two. For that reason, I do want there to be a merit-based barrier to publishing in the top tier venues -- otherwise we'll be swamped. - medical journals have different conflicts of interest. Even more interesting stories there. For example, Canadian Medical Association Journal blowing up and many transferring to "Open Medicine". -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 15 21:45:51 2010 From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:45:51 -0500 Subject: Olympics and proprietary software Message-ID: Some are claiming success viewing the Olympics with http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight/OlympicsPlayerIssues -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 15 22:04:48 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:04:48 -0500 Subject: Olympics and proprietary software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > Some are claiming success viewing the Olympics with > http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight/OlympicsPlayerIssues I somewhat wonder what the importance of such things are, when the Olympics themselves have become hyper-proprietary in nature. I'm somewhat surprised that the IOC hasn't lodged infringement suits against such infringing folks as every resident of certain parts of Washington State. Note this germaine lawsuit which I'm quite surprised they *lost.* -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Jonathan Swift - "May you live every day of your life." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/jonathan_swift.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ronjscott-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 15 22:49:01 2010 From: ronjscott-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Ron) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:49:01 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a spare monitor? In-Reply-To: <20100215172334.GA14468-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100215172334.GA14468@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <4B79CF5D.2020506@sympatico.ca> On 15/02/2010 12:23 PM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Does anyone have a spare monitor? My cousin's monitor just died, and > she doesn't have the budget for a new one right now. I usually have > one, but I recently cleared out the basement. Thanks. I have an eMachines multiscan colour monitor model: eView17 or an Imago low radiation A-S colour monitor model: 17SX you could have gratis. These are located around Sheppard & Markham Road. Let me know if you are interested. Ron Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 15 23:14:32 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:14:32 -0500 Subject: OT: 2GB Notebook DDR667 for sale Message-ID: <4B79D558.9060900@utoronto.ca> Just upgraded my laptop to 4gb memory, I have 2x1GB Samsung DDR2 667Mhz memory that I can't use anymore. If anyone is interested send me an offer off-list and I'll be happy to meet at the linuxcaffe. Cheers, Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 16 01:02:21 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:02:21 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a spare monitor? In-Reply-To: <20100215172334.GA14468-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100215172334.GA14468@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <1f13df281002151702v60a78bf3w7eeff3aa0f673b30@mail.gmail.com> On 15 February 2010 12:23, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Does anyone have a spare monitor? ?My cousin's monitor just died, and > she doesn't have the budget for a new one right now. ?I usually have > one, but I recently cleared out the basement. ?Thanks. I have a 15" CRT Samsung, 1024x768. It's available free, but I don't imagine it will be your first choice. Anyone else want it? It works quite well ... -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 16 04:00:57 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:00:57 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a spare monitor? In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002151702v60a78bf3w7eeff3aa0f673b30-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20100215172334.GA14468@yam.witteman.ca> <1f13df281002151702v60a78bf3w7eeff3aa0f673b30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/15/10, Giles Orr wrote: > On 15 February 2010 12:23, William O'Higgins Witteman > wrote: >> Does anyone have a spare monitor? My cousin's monitor just died, and >> she doesn't have the budget for a new one right now. I usually have >> one, but I recently cleared out the basement. Thanks. > > I have a 15" CRT Samsung, 1024x768. It's available free, but I don't > imagine it will be your first choice. Anyone else want it? It works > quite well ... This is the sort of hardware I would be steering towards Jon Alexander and the PlanetGeek crowd. Basicly, Jon and company refurbish old PCs (PIII and better), then install Ubuntu on them and finally gives them away via a local foodbank. My involvement with PlanetGeek is to act as instructor, doing an introduction to Ubuntu at the foodbank each time there is a computer give-away... I basicly enjoy playing teacher, so want to see Jon and company with lots of hardware :-) . Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 16 04:17:25 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:17:25 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a spare monitor? In-Reply-To: References: <20100215172334.GA14468@yam.witteman.ca> <1f13df281002151702v60a78bf3w7eeff3aa0f673b30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100216041725.GA5999@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:00:57PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > On 2/15/10, Giles Orr wrote: > > On 15 February 2010 12:23, William O'Higgins Witteman > > wrote: > >> Does anyone have a spare monitor? My cousin's monitor just died, and > >> she doesn't have the budget for a new one right now. I usually have > >> one, but I recently cleared out the basement. Thanks. > > > > I have a 15" CRT Samsung, 1024x768. It's available free, but I don't > > imagine it will be your first choice. Anyone else want it? It works > > quite well ... > > This is the sort of hardware I would be steering towards Jon Alexander > and the PlanetGeek crowd. Basicly, Jon and company refurbish old PCs > (PIII and better), then install Ubuntu on them and finally gives them > away via a local foodbank. > > My involvement with PlanetGeek is to act as instructor, doing an > introduction to Ubuntu at the foodbank each time there is a computer > give-away... I basicly enjoy playing teacher, so want to see Jon and > company with lots of hardware :-) . Colin, if you come across 3 old (similar sized) SATA harddisks, let me know. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 16 10:32:21 2010 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:32:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Is this another RIAA or is it legit? References: Message-ID: There is a hugely interesting article on the theme written by none other than D. Knuth, which points out the problems, including the financial angle (you can count on a mathematician to get that part right). It was well worth reading but it scared me that I read it in 2010 when it was written in 2004. The reference to the $48 per view Creative Commons licensed article is via slashdot and was fixed then, in 2004. The Knuth paper: http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/joalet.pdf The slashdot article about the $48 Creative Commons licensed paper scandal: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/04/1341248 There is much more of it out there, it's just that I was not aware how prevalent the problem is and how badly it affects me (and how it meshes with the skewed results returned by popular search engines in this area and in others - actually that, a botched search that cost me some money and time - got me started on this path). IMNSHO there should be some kind of link or reference to this problem and to its solutions (i.e. open repositories) on just about every Open Source oriented website, wiki or other online form. Many papers refer directly to software, standards and algorithms and are very relevant to (F)OSS and to students and other people who need to do scientific research of any kind on a budget. I would like to make myself clear: this is not about politics, it is about reasonable competition (not) regulating prices (anymore). This is one of many indexes of open access publication related sites and indexes: http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/lists.htm It is inconceivable that the price per page of technical publications delivered as camera-ready copy to the publisher exceeds the price of copier use in downtown by 5-20 times at least, knowing that a commercial copier page in ones is about the most expensive kind of copy one can obtain commercially, and everyone pretends to look the other way. As D. Knuth points out in his paper, most scientific papers reach the publisher in camera ready form, not last thanks to TeX, and the printing house is essentially operating one giant copier operation, subject to economies of scale which should drop the price incredibly by comparison with the downtown copier operation. What the price of publication means for online copies, which cost cents per megabyte of storage and badwidth and year, I won't even want to compute. Just remember that the downtown copier office makes money and pays taxes on that too! Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 16 11:06:17 2010 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Is this another RIAA or is it legit? References: Message-ID: This is a plos(.org) journal article which analyzes citation frequency and other benefits of OA (Open Access) papers: http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.0040157 plos.org is not exactly cheap for publishing though. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 16 15:05:34 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:05:34 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a spare monitor? In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002151702v60a78bf3w7eeff3aa0f673b30-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20100215172334.GA14468@yam.witteman.ca> <1f13df281002151702v60a78bf3w7eeff3aa0f673b30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7AB43E.1060002@rogers.com> Giles Orr wrote: > On 15 February 2010 12:23, William O'Higgins Witteman > wrote: > >> Does anyone have a spare monitor? My cousin's monitor just died, and >> she doesn't have the budget for a new one right now. I usually have >> one, but I recently cleared out the basement. Thanks. >> > I have a 15" CRT Samsung, 1024x768. It's available free, but I don't > imagine it will be your first choice. Anyone else want it? It works > quite well ... > > I have only one CRT here and it's my old TV in the bedroom. I plan to get rid of that soon, so there'll be no more CRTs here and the magnetron in the microwave oven the only vacuum tube still in use. Both my main TV and computer monitor are wide screen HD, which is the way most things are going. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 16 15:13:37 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:13:37 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a spare monitor? In-Reply-To: <20100216041725.GA5999-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100215172334.GA14468@yam.witteman.ca> <1f13df281002151702v60a78bf3w7eeff3aa0f673b30@mail.gmail.com> <20100216041725.GA5999@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On 2/15/10, William Park wrote: > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:00:57PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: >> On 2/15/10, Giles Orr wrote: >> > On 15 February 2010 12:23, William O'Higgins Witteman >> > wrote: >> >> Does anyone have a spare monitor? My cousin's monitor just died, and >> >> she doesn't have the budget for a new one right now. I usually have >> >> one, but I recently cleared out the basement. Thanks. >> > >> > I have a 15" CRT Samsung, 1024x768. It's available free, but I don't >> > imagine it will be your first choice. Anyone else want it? It works >> > quite well ... >> >> This is the sort of hardware I would be steering towards Jon Alexander >> and the PlanetGeek crowd. Basicly, Jon and company refurbish old PCs >> (PIII and better), then install Ubuntu on them and finally gives them >> away via a local foodbank. >> >> My involvement with PlanetGeek is to act as instructor, doing an >> introduction to Ubuntu at the foodbank each time there is a computer >> give-away... I basicly enjoy playing teacher, so want to see Jon and >> company with lots of hardware :-) . > > Colin, if you come across 3 old (similar sized) SATA harddisks, let me know. The sort of hardware I'm currently seeing (and the PlanetGeek people are seeing) is P3 & low end P4 boxes. In other words an area where EIDE still ruled with an almost iron fist (I don't think I've seen a PlanetGeek type box with a SATA controller, never mind a SATA drive). I will keep my eyes open for SATA drives, but don't hold your breath... Anyone else on the list know of a source for cheap/free similar sized SATA drives for William? Colin. > -- > William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 16 15:46:12 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:46:12 -0500 Subject: LUG'ers on the other side of the world In-Reply-To: <4B76F8EA.4070703-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B745692.2060506@rogers.com> <1f13df281002111200r5979a6acub79b6dffc72a6247@mail.gmail.com> <20100212163734.GQ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B76F8EA.4070703@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100216154612.GR4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 02:09:30PM -0500, Yanni Chiu wrote: > From their website, they're not entirely focused on software, which is > fine with me. I've added a visit to their "lab" to my todo list. Thanks > for the link. True they do seem to do hardware too. I haven't been there myself. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 16 16:36:36 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:36:36 -0500 Subject: Old Device, seeking Clarification as to What exactly it is. In-Reply-To: <4B7607C8.30200-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7607C8.30200@ss.org> Message-ID: <20100216163636.GS4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 09:00:40PM -0500, Scott Sullivan wrote: > This Old device has found it's way onto my desk. > > http://openrebel.ss.org/images/what-is-this-device.jpg > (sorry about the flash, model is 174 A) 174? All the google references I can find are 147A. Seems like some go on ebay for $75 or so in good working condition. > With no visual display I'm uncertain if it's a signal generator, strange > oscilloscope or any even more bizarre Millimeter. It looks like the answer is "yes". It does appear to be many of those things. > Love to hear some Guesses, and maybe some answers. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 16 17:15:18 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:15:18 -0500 Subject: Old Device, seeking Clarification as to What exactly it is. In-Reply-To: <4B7607C8.30200-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7607C8.30200@ss.org> Message-ID: <4B7AD2A6.5040505@ve3syb.ca> Scott Sullivan wrote: > http://openrebel.ss.org/images/what-is-this-device.jpg > (sorry about the flash, model is 174 A) The flash obscured part of the model number but "47A" can still be seen in the picture so the model number is likely 147A. It is a piece of equipment used in older days to test and troubleshoot radios and televisions. The unit you have is missing the magic eye tube as is evidenced by the small hole near the top right corner on the front panel. A picture of a complete unit can be seen on the page at http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~postr/bapix/SigTrac2.htm Manuals and schematics for some older test equipment are supposed to be available at: http://www.one-electron.com/FC_TestEquipment.html A JPG and PDF version of the schematic is available at http://www.cbtricks.com/radios/eico/model_147a/index.htm A manual is available from a link on the page at http://www.nostalgiaair.org/references/Manuals/. The manual includes an image of the internal wiring of the unit and a schematic. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 16 17:31:22 2010 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:31:22 -0500 Subject: Old Device, seeking Clarification as to What exactly it is. In-Reply-To: <4B7AD2A6.5040505-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7607C8.30200@ss.org> <4B7AD2A6.5040505@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <4B7AD66A.5030406@ss.org> On 02/16/2010 12:15 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Scott Sullivan wrote: >> http://openrebel.ss.org/images/what-is-this-device.jpg >> (sorry about the flash, model is 174 A) > > The flash obscured part of the model number but "47A" can still be > seen in the picture so the model number is likely 147A. It seems my attempt a clarity was foiled by a simple Typo. Thanks to all for bringing to forth these interesting resources for older devices. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 16 18:41:32 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:41:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Anyone have a spare monitor? In-Reply-To: <20100215172334.GA14468-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100215172334.GA14468@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Feb 2010, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Does anyone have a spare monitor? My cousin's monitor just died, and > she doesn't have the budget for a new one right now. I usually have > one, but I recently cleared out the basement. Thanks. I have a 15" out in Mississauga available for pickup. You didn't mention her area. Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org IRC: Solver Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 17 16:23:08 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:23:08 -0500 Subject: PulseAudio Message-ID: Ha! So it finally got to me. So far on my home machine it's been no problem, so I've been wondering why everyone hates Pulse so much. Until now. At work we upgraded all the machines to Karmic Koala and now a lot of them have no sound. If you saw how we do our jobs, you would understand what a horrifying thing this is ;) Anyhow, I remember some threads on here a while ago about fixing this by using good 'ol OSS, but as these are work computers I thought I would ask before I start trying some of the solutions. Is this really the tried and true method? I also found this link. Anyone else solve it like this? http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395089 Thanks! -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 17 16:44:38 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:44:38 -0800 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> I found a couple things when updating to karmic on various machines that could case this: - Gnome/pulse found a different "default" soundcard than what they should have - PA set the volume to nothing in the sound panel mixer, or turned on mute - Wrong "profile" in the hardware settings of the sound prefs If you have a .asoundrc file in your homedir you may need to nuke that too Are you seeing your soundcard? Is the pulseaudio daemon loading? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Thomas Milne wrote: > Ha! So it finally got to me. So far on my home machine it's been no > problem, so I've been wondering why everyone hates Pulse so much. > > Until now. At work we upgraded all the machines to Karmic Koala and > now a lot of them have no sound. If you saw how we do our jobs, you > would understand what a horrifying thing this is ;) > > Anyhow, I remember some threads on here a while ago about fixing this > by using good 'ol OSS, but as these are work computers I thought I > would ask before I start trying some of the solutions. Is this really > the tried and true method? > > I also found this link. Anyone else solve it like this? > > http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395089 > > Thanks! > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 17 16:51:25 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:51:25 -0500 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm waiting for a reply back from work with some more info/command output from dmesg and lspci and so on. I'll get them to also check if pulse is even running, didn't think of that. So you've never had to go the OSS route? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I found a couple things when updating to karmic on various machines > that could case this: > ?- Gnome/pulse found a different "default" soundcard than what they should have > ?- PA set the volume to nothing in the sound panel mixer, or turned on mute > ?- Wrong "profile" in the hardware settings of the sound prefs > > If you have a .asoundrc file in your homedir you may need to nuke that too > > Are you seeing your soundcard? Is the pulseaudio daemon loading? > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> Ha! So it finally got to me. So far on my home machine it's been no >> problem, so I've been wondering why everyone hates Pulse so much. >> >> Until now. At work we upgraded all the machines to Karmic Koala and >> now a lot of them have no sound. If you saw how we do our jobs, you >> would understand what a horrifying thing this is ;) >> >> Anyhow, I remember some threads on here a while ago about fixing this >> by using good 'ol OSS, but as these are work computers I thought I >> would ask before I start trying some of the solutions. Is this really >> the tried and true method? >> >> I also found this link. Anyone else solve it like this? >> >> http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395089 >> >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> TBM >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA > > ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that > is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 17 19:22:26 2010 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:22:26 -0500 Subject: turn up volume on soundcard software Message-ID: <4B7C41F2.30504@chrisaitken.net> I have a Ubuntu machine: chris at cpc:~$ cat /etc/lsb-release DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu DISTRIB_RELEASE=8.04 DISTRIB_CODENAME=hardy DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 8.04.3 LTS" I need to turn up the volume on the computer's soundcard software. I'm not talking about the little volume control on the panel. How do I do this? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 17 19:30:09 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:30:09 -0500 Subject: turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <4B7C41F2.30504-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7C41F2.30504@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <32f6a8881002171130p75b9ddbclcc7d0d723c13a4bf@mail.gmail.com> Hi Chris, Are you using ALSA? Usually when I use alsa with sound cards I need to fiddle around with alsamixer. You can run alsamixer from the command line to increase the sound and change options to make your sound card work. Variety options helped me out IEC958 IEC958PCM PCM Fiddling with the mutes and making sure things aren't muted. Hope this helps. Best of luck. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I have a Ubuntu machine: > > chris at cpc:~$ cat /etc/lsb-release > DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu > DISTRIB_RELEASE=8.04 > DISTRIB_CODENAME=hardy > DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 8.04.3 LTS" > > I need to turn up the volume on the computer's soundcard software. I'm not > talking about the little volume control on the panel. How do I do this? > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 17 19:38:43 2010 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:38:43 -0500 Subject: turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <32f6a8881002171130p75b9ddbclcc7d0d723c13a4bf-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7C41F2.30504@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171130p75b9ddbclcc7d0d723c13a4bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7C45C3.6040208@chrisaitken.net> Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Are you using ALSA? I guess so. > Usually when I use alsa with sound cards I need to > fiddle around with alsamixer. > Okay, I ran alsamixer and increased the two Master sliders - those just do the same thing the volume icon on the panel and the volume icon on youtube do. one affects the other. > You can run alsamixer from the command line to increase the sound and > change options to make your sound card work. > > Variety options helped me out > > IEC958 > IEC958PCM > > PCM > > Fiddling with the mutes and making sure things aren't muted. > > Hope this helps. Best of luck. > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I have a Ubuntu machine: >> >> chris at cpc:~$ cat /etc/lsb-release >> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu >> DISTRIB_RELEASE=8.04 >> DISTRIB_CODENAME=hardy >> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 8.04.3 LTS" >> >> I need to turn up the volume on the computer's soundcard software. I'm not >> talking about the little volume control on the panel. How do I do this? >> >> Chris >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 17 19:55:49 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:55:49 -0500 Subject: turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <4B7C45C3.6040208-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7C41F2.30504@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171130p75b9ddbclcc7d0d723c13a4bf@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C45C3.6040208@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <32f6a8881002171155j324c93pabfd456471f76e44@mail.gmail.com> Did you make sure the following: Is the PCM volume totally increased? None of the Master/PCM volume control doesn't MM and that it has OO ? You can also try playing continuous music and changing the IEC958 values and make sure its not muted On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > Dave Germiquet wrote: >> >> Hi Chris, >> >> Are you using ALSA? > > I guess so. > >> ?Usually when I use alsa with sound cards I need to >> fiddle around with alsamixer. >> > > Okay, I ran alsamixer and increased the two Master sliders - those just do > the same thing the volume icon on the panel and the volume icon on youtube > do. one affects the other. > >> You can run alsamixer from the command line to increase the sound and >> change options to make your sound card work. >> >> Variety options helped me out >> >> IEC958 >> IEC958PCM >> >> PCM >> >> Fiddling with the mutes and making sure things aren't muted. >> >> Hope this helps. Best of luck. >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Mr Chris Aitken >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I have a Ubuntu machine: >>> >>> chris at cpc:~$ cat /etc/lsb-release >>> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu >>> DISTRIB_RELEASE=8.04 >>> DISTRIB_CODENAME=hardy >>> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 8.04.3 LTS" >>> >>> I need to turn up the volume on the computer's soundcard software. I'm >>> not >>> talking about the little volume control on the panel. How do I do this? >>> >>> Chris >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 17 20:08:44 2010 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:08:44 -0500 Subject: turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <32f6a8881002171155j324c93pabfd456471f76e44-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7C41F2.30504@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171130p75b9ddbclcc7d0d723c13a4bf@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C45C3.6040208@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171155j324c93pabfd456471f76e44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7C4CCC.6080602@chrisaitken.net> Dave Germiquet wrote: > Did you make sure the following: > > Is the PCM volume totally increased? > Okay, I did that. > None of the Master/PCM volume control doesn't MM and that it has OO ? > Yup, those are good. > You can also try playing continuous music and changing the IEC958 > values and make sure its not muted > I don't have a slider for IEC958. I don't' know what that is. Chris > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > >> Dave Germiquet wrote: >> >>> Hi Chris, >>> >>> Are you using ALSA? >>> >> I guess so. >> >> >>> Usually when I use alsa with sound cards I need to >>> fiddle around with alsamixer. >>> >>> >> Okay, I ran alsamixer and increased the two Master sliders - those just do >> the same thing the volume icon on the panel and the volume icon on youtube >> do. one affects the other. >> >> >>> You can run alsamixer from the command line to increase the sound and >>> change options to make your sound card work. >>> >>> Variety options helped me out >>> >>> IEC958 >>> IEC958PCM >>> >>> PCM >>> >>> Fiddling with the mutes and making sure things aren't muted. >>> >>> Hope this helps. Best of luck. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Mr Chris Aitken >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I have a Ubuntu machine: >>>> >>>> chris at cpc:~$ cat /etc/lsb-release >>>> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu >>>> DISTRIB_RELEASE=8.04 >>>> DISTRIB_CODENAME=hardy >>>> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 8.04.3 LTS" >>>> >>>> I need to turn up the volume on the computer's soundcard software. I'm >>>> not >>>> talking about the little volume control on the panel. How do I do this? >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> -- >>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 17 20:22:59 2010 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:22:59 -0500 Subject: [Bulk]turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <4B7C41F2.30504-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7C41F2.30504@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <4B7C5023.3050802@rogers.com> On 17/02/2010 2:22 PM, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I have a Ubuntu machine: > > chris at cpc:~$ cat /etc/lsb-release > DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu > DISTRIB_RELEASE=8.04 > DISTRIB_CODENAME=hardy > DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 8.04.3 LTS" > > I need to turn up the volume on the computer's soundcard software. I'm > not talking about the little volume control on the panel. How do I do > this? > Have a look at these instructions on boosting sound levels system wide in Ubuntu. The guys at the Mepis forums were able to get this to work in KDE as well. http://www.webupd8.org/2009/08/increase-maximum-sound-level-in-ubuntu.html HTH John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 18 02:22:36 2010 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:22:36 -0500 Subject: semi-OT: power requirements Message-ID: <1266459756.28867.1479.camel@gont> hey folks, I'm putting together a proposal to build a linux-based computer lab using salvaged hardware in a public housing building, and realize i don't have a really good idea how much power i'm going to need in it. Has anyone on the list built computer labs, and do you know rules of thumb for energy requirements? these are older machines with CRT monitor, so though not quite as power-hungry as today's quad-cores, they're nowhere near as efficient as modern thin clients or the like. thanks much! all the best, matt -- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A normal electrical circuit is 15 amps, so 1 circuit per 2 machines. Now, it is very unlikely that any one the PCs I was looking at would be using the full 5 amps, so it left a comfortable (maybe very comfortable) margin on power... Also, remember to set aside 1 or 2 circuits to support extras like a hub, DSL/cable modem, extra lights, etc... Well, you can see the issues I saw and dealt with in the above article. The above was with machines that are likely going to be older than yours, so your millage may vary somewhat... Do let folks know how all of this goes as I and I assume a number of other folks here would be interested in hearing details. Colin McGregor > -- > Matt Price > matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 18 03:28:56 2010 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 03:28:56 +0000 Subject: semi-OT: power requirements In-Reply-To: <1266459756.28867.1479.camel@gont> References: <1266459756.28867.1479.camel@gont> Message-ID: A few months ago I had an inline unit that measured the power used by any connected appliance. A 20" CRT used 96 Watts / .86A when working. An old AMD K6-2 with 550MHz CPU drew 80 Watts / .69A when the HDD and CPU were running. The CPU ran hot, so was not too efficient. John. > Subject: [TLUG]: semi-OT: power requirements > From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:22:36 -0500 > > hey folks, > > I'm putting together a proposal to build a linux-based computer lab > using salvaged hardware in a public housing building, and realize i > don't have a really good idea how much power i'm going to need in it. > Has anyone on the list built computer labs, and do you know rules of > thumb for energy requirements? these are older machines with CRT > monitor, so though not quite as power-hungry as today's quad-cores, > they're nowhere near as efficient as modern thin clients or the like. > > thanks much! all the best, > matt > > -- > Matt Price > matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 18 04:36:03 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:36:03 -0500 Subject: semi-OT: power requirements In-Reply-To: <1266459756.28867.1479.camel@gont> References: <1266459756.28867.1479.camel@gont> Message-ID: <20100217233603.515515fa.tleslie@tcn.net> I have this "dooh oppp" moment happen a couple times over all my years. You have your available power, and you add your machines (over time, if by that, even over hours), all is good. Then one day perhaps a year later, you have a power outage, and then for the first time all those machines start up at exactly the same time, and all the HD load up (on power) at the same time, and pop goes the breaker(s), which at first you think, this is odd, it ran fine before! so remember to factor in initial higher load on turn up of all the stuff. -tl On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:22:36 -0500 Matt Price wrote: > hey folks, > > I'm putting together a proposal to build a linux-based computer lab > using salvaged hardware in a public housing building, and realize i > don't have a really good idea how much power i'm going to need in it. > Has anyone on the list built computer labs, and do you know rules of > thumb for energy requirements? these are older machines with CRT > monitor, so though not quite as power-hungry as today's quad-cores, > they're nowhere near as efficient as modern thin clients or the like. > > thanks much! all the best, > matt > > -- > Matt Price > matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 18 04:47:52 2010 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:47:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: "linuxy" smartphones In-Reply-To: <20100125214524.GI26872-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1001041053y10d2c80ch8c422c165f579283@mail.gmail.com> <20100123155035.GA15567@watson-wilon.ca> <3a97ef1001231052v1debecd2j9612ee7e9d1e2792@mail.gmail.com> <20100125170553.GB26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100125214524.GI26872@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Jan 2010, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well technically that is what Linux is. Not sure what else > the android OS uses. Apparently I was wrong, just found out that the Android's kernel is principally not even a Linux (anymore). :-) Google failed to both maintain their code in kernel tree and merge it to main tree, and was removed. So Android kernel in principle is now a fork of Linux. http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=b0a0ccfad85b3657fe999805df65f5cfe634ab8a http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/03/android_driver_code_deleted_from_linux_kernel/ -- ____ ____ ____ ____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo /___ /___/ /___/ /___ http://www.arifsaha.com/ ____/ / / / ____/ ** Xinnian Kuaile! ???? Gongxi Facai! ???? ** From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 18 14:46:29 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:46:29 -0800 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1002180646l67cc767al8637c82e6d91f51d@mail.gmail.com> Heck no. If it worked with ALSA before, it should work after. A couple other things to check /etc/modprobe.d entries for ALSA (you might want to remove old entries, purge the main ALSA packages, reinstall) try sound from commandline before logging in, so that you're just on ALSA without Pulse possibly stealing the device Some useful commands: aplay -l : lists soundcards that ALSA knows alsamixer : commandline mixer useful for configuring prior to getting into gnome/pulse. Use "m" for mute/unmute and arrows for volume, tab for navigation aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav : test sound (alsa) On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Thomas Milne wrote: > I'm waiting for a reply back from work with some more info/command > output from dmesg and lspci and so on. I'll get them to also check if > pulse is even running, didn't think of that. > > So you've never had to go the OSS route? > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> I found a couple things when updating to karmic on various machines >> that could case this: >> ?- Gnome/pulse found a different "default" soundcard than what they should have >> ?- PA set the volume to nothing in the sound panel mixer, or turned on mute >> ?- Wrong "profile" in the hardware settings of the sound prefs >> >> If you have a .asoundrc file in your homedir you may need to nuke that too >> >> Are you seeing your soundcard? Is the pulseaudio daemon loading? >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Thomas Milne >> wrote: >>> Ha! So it finally got to me. So far on my home machine it's been no >>> problem, so I've been wondering why everyone hates Pulse so much. >>> >>> Until now. At work we upgraded all the machines to Karmic Koala and >>> now a lot of them have no sound. If you saw how we do our jobs, you >>> would understand what a horrifying thing this is ;) >>> >>> Anyhow, I remember some threads on here a while ago about fixing this >>> by using good 'ol OSS, but as these are work computers I thought I >>> would ask before I start trying some of the solutions. Is this really >>> the tried and true method? >>> >>> I also found this link. Anyone else solve it like this? >>> >>> http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395089 >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> TBM >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tyler Aviss >> Systems Support >> LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA >> >> ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that >> is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 18 15:33:17 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:33:17 -0500 Subject: turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <4B7C4CCC.6080602-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7C41F2.30504@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171130p75b9ddbclcc7d0d723c13a4bf@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C45C3.6040208@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171155j324c93pabfd456471f76e44@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C4CCC.6080602@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20100218153317.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 03:08:44PM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I don't have a slider for IEC958. I don't' know what that is. Some sound chips need 'Front' turned up. Also remember to unmute master if it defaults to muted. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 18 15:57:50 2010 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:57:50 -0500 Subject: turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <20100218153317.GT4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7C41F2.30504@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171130p75b9ddbclcc7d0d723c13a4bf@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C45C3.6040208@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171155j324c93pabfd456471f76e44@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C4CCC.6080602@chrisaitken.net> <20100218153317.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B7D637E.1050205@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 03:08:44PM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I don't have a slider for IEC958. I don't' know what that is. >> > > Some sound chips need 'Front' turned up. Also remember to unmute master > if it defaults to muted. > > I don't see a 'FRONT' slider. The 'Master's are '00' not 'MM' (which, I assume is the mute feature). I may be expecting too much from an on board sound card. The sound engineer that gets me my recording equipment (and gives me support) is trying to help me eliminate a high-pitch squeal (I don't know if that's the best descriptor - it's kind of like a high-pitch tinnitus whine, which is doubly no-fun for me as I actually have tinnitus) that I get when my linux computer is the source going into my MACKIE BIG KNOB studio command system (which sends the signal to a pair of M-AUDIO powered monitors). I don't have this problem when my CD player (just a JVC stereo-system CD player - not one on the computer) or my DAW are the sources. So, maybe I just have a dirty little onboard sound card (whatever that really means). Do you know what this IEC958 is? If I don't have that as a slider in alsamixer do I not have to concern myself with it. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 18 16:56:37 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:56:37 -0500 Subject: turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <4B7D637E.1050205-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7C41F2.30504@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171130p75b9ddbclcc7d0d723c13a4bf@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C45C3.6040208@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171155j324c93pabfd456471f76e44@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C4CCC.6080602@chrisaitken.net> <20100218153317.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D637E.1050205@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20100218165637.GU4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:57:50AM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I don't see a 'FRONT' slider. The 'Master's are '00' not 'MM' (which, I > assume is the mute feature). I may be expecting too much from an on > board sound card. The sound engineer that gets me my recording equipment > (and gives me support) is trying to help me eliminate a high-pitch > squeal (I don't know if that's the best descriptor - it's kind of like a > high-pitch tinnitus whine, which is doubly no-fun for me as I actually > have tinnitus) that I get when my linux computer is the source going > into my MACKIE BIG KNOB studio command system (which sends the signal to > a pair of M-AUDIO powered monitors). I don't have this problem when my > CD player (just a JVC stereo-system CD player - not one on the computer) > or my DAW are the sources. So, maybe I just have a dirty little onboard > sound card (whatever that really means). > > Do you know what this IEC958 is? If I don't have that as a slider in > alsamixer do I not have to concern myself with it. IEC958 is generally the digital audio feature (if your board has one). Many onboard audio devices are really badly designed and have insufficient power isolation, which means you get lots of noise. If you were using the digital output it should elliminate that of course, assuming you have one. I have in the past encountered onboard sounds that clearly let you hear the HD accesses, the network packets, the mouse cursor moving, etc. It was quite awful. Higher end boards tend to have much better onboard audio designs, although a good add in card will generally be much better, although if you could use the digital output instead it shouldn't matter. That of course means the other end needs a digital audio input. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 18 19:09:52 2010 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:09:52 -0500 Subject: turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <20100218165637.GU4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7C41F2.30504@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171130p75b9ddbclcc7d0d723c13a4bf@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C45C3.6040208@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171155j324c93pabfd456471f76e44@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C4CCC.6080602@chrisaitken.net> <20100218153317.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D637E.1050205@chrisaitken.net> <20100218165637.GU4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B7D9080.8010407@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:57:50AM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I don't see a 'FRONT' slider. The 'Master's are '00' not 'MM' (which, I >> assume is the mute feature). I may be expecting too much from an on >> board sound card. The sound engineer that gets me my recording equipment >> (and gives me support) is trying to help me eliminate a high-pitch >> squeal (I don't know if that's the best descriptor - it's kind of like a >> high-pitch tinnitus whine, which is doubly no-fun for me as I actually >> have tinnitus) that I get when my linux computer is the source going >> into my MACKIE BIG KNOB studio command system (which sends the signal to >> a pair of M-AUDIO powered monitors). I don't have this problem when my >> CD player (just a JVC stereo-system CD player - not one on the computer) >> or my DAW are the sources. So, maybe I just have a dirty little onboard >> sound card (whatever that really means). >> >> Do you know what this IEC958 is? If I don't have that as a slider in >> alsamixer do I not have to concern myself with it. >> > > IEC958 is generally the digital audio feature (if your board has one). > In alsamixer my card comes up as 'Intel 8280 1BA-ICH2'. > Many onboard audio devices are really badly designed and have insufficient > power isolation, which means you get lots of noise. > > If you were using the digital output it should elliminate that of course, > assuming you have one. > I have three ports only: red (with a mic icon), green (icon of musical note and arrow away from note), and blue (icon of musical note and arrow toward the note). I'm assuming these are mic in, spkr out, and line in, respectively. > I have in the past encountered onboard sounds that clearly let you hear > the HD accesses, the network packets, the mouse cursor moving, etc. > It was quite awful. Higher end boards tend to have much better onboard > audio designs, although a good add in card will generally be much better, > although if you could use the digital output instead it shouldn't matter. > That of course means the other end needs a digital audio input. > I doubt my little on board sound card has a digital out. At the other end the MACKIE BIG KNOB does not. The digital my DAW has is firewire but I don't want to run every source in my studio through the NRV10 - that the BIG KNOB's job. Anyway, I seem to have a /little/ more headroom (if that's the right word) by following the steps at http://www.webupd8.org/2009/08/increase-maximum-sound-level-in-ubuntu.html that John McGregor suggested. Thanks for the information, Lennart. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 18 19:16:40 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:16:40 -0500 Subject: turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <4B7D9080.8010407-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7C41F2.30504@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171130p75b9ddbclcc7d0d723c13a4bf@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C45C3.6040208@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171155j324c93pabfd456471f76e44@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C4CCC.6080602@chrisaitken.net> <20100218153317.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D637E.1050205@chrisaitken.net> <20100218165637.GU4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D9080.8010407@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20100218191640.GV4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 02:09:52PM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I doubt my little on board sound card has a digital out. At the other > end the MACKIE BIG KNOB does not. The digital my DAW has is firewire but > I don't want to run every source in my studio through the NRV10 - that > the BIG KNOB's job. > > Anyway, I seem to have a /little/ more headroom (if that's the right > word) by following the steps at > http://www.webupd8.org/2009/08/increase-maximum-sound-level-in-ubuntu.html > that John McGregor suggested. > > Thanks for the information, Lennart. What kind of input are you connecting to? If it is a line in then I am surprised if the volume level is too low. If it is a mic in or other input, then that may be the problem. I have never had any issue with any system getting enough volume on the line out. Noise yes, but not lack of volume. Things that can cause noise are the other inputs to the sound chip as well, so muting all those tends to be a good idea if you aren't using them. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 18 20:13:51 2010 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:13:51 -0500 Subject: turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <20100218191640.GV4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B7C41F2.30504@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171130p75b9ddbclcc7d0d723c13a4bf@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C45C3.6040208@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171155j324c93pabfd456471f76e44@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C4CCC.6080602@chrisaitken.net> <20100218153317.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D637E.1050205@chrisaitken.net> <20100218165637.GU4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D9080.8010407@chrisaitken.net> <20100218191640.GV4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B7D9F7F.4050404@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 02:09:52PM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I doubt my little on board sound card has a digital out. At the other >> end the MACKIE BIG KNOB does not. The digital my DAW has is firewire but >> I don't want to run every source in my studio through the NRV10 - that >> the BIG KNOB's job. >> >> Anyway, I seem to have a /little/ more headroom (if that's the right >> word) by following the steps at >> http://www.webupd8.org/2009/08/increase-maximum-sound-level-in-ubuntu.html >> that John McGregor suggested. >> >> Thanks for the information, Lennart. >> > > What kind of input are you connecting to? If it is a line in then I am > surprised if the volume level is too low. > You're thinking the other way around. I'm simply coming out of the 1/8 " green (usually means spkr) port. > If it is a mic in or other input, then that may be the problem. I have > never had any issue with any system getting enough volume on the line out. > I don't think I have a line out. Judging form the port colours (red, green, blue) and their icons (microphone, mus. note w arrow out, mus. note w arrow in) I think I only have mic, spkr out, and line in. > Noise yes, but not lack of volume. > Well, it's the noise I want to lower, not to raise the volume per se. I think the engineer that advised me (though not for linux, unfortunately) was hoping that if I up the volume on the card I would get less noise. Remember noise and signal are always competing for the same territory. Hence, signal-to-noise ratio. > Things that can cause noise are the other inputs to the sound chip > as well, so muting all those tends to be a good idea if you aren't > using them. > I could mute them. I only use this computer to playback from youtube. I don't record to it. I have a proper setup on another computer for recording. So, how do I mute unwanted sliders in alsamixer? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 18 20:36:23 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:36:23 -0500 Subject: turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <4B7D9F7F.4050404-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881002171130p75b9ddbclcc7d0d723c13a4bf@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C45C3.6040208@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171155j324c93pabfd456471f76e44@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C4CCC.6080602@chrisaitken.net> <20100218153317.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D637E.1050205@chrisaitken.net> <20100218165637.GU4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D9080.8010407@chrisaitken.net> <20100218191640.GV4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D9F7F.4050404@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20100218203623.GW4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 03:13:51PM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > You're thinking the other way around. I'm simply coming out of the 1/8 " > green (usually means spkr) port. It's supposed to mean speaker/headphone at least. > I don't think I have a line out. Judging form the port colours (red, > green, blue) and their icons (microphone, mus. note w arrow out, mus. > note w arrow in) I think I only have mic, spkr out, and line in. There is never a speaker out, only line level (or headphone). A PC can't drive speakers directly (other than headphones), at least not in a useful way. > Well, it's the noise I want to lower, not to raise the volume per se. I > think the engineer that advised me (though not for linux, unfortunately) > was hoping that if I up the volume on the card I would get less noise. > Remember noise and signal are always competing for the same territory. > Hence, signal-to-noise ratio. True. Of course on my sb live, going above about 80% causes clipping (someone did a stupid design apparently). That's rather unusual though. > I could mute them. I only use this computer to playback from youtube. I > don't record to it. I have a proper setup on another computer for > recording. So, how do I mute unwanted sliders in alsamixer? In alsamixer you can switch to capture settings using F4 (or tab). You can then mute the inputs you don't need. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 18 20:50:54 2010 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:50:54 -0500 Subject: turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <20100218203623.GW4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881002171130p75b9ddbclcc7d0d723c13a4bf@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C45C3.6040208@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171155j324c93pabfd456471f76e44@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C4CCC.6080602@chrisaitken.net> <20100218153317.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D637E.1050205@chrisaitken.net> <20100218165637.GU4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D9080.8010407@chrisaitken.net> <20100218191640.GV4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D9F7F.4050404@chrisaitken.net> <20100218203623.GW4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B7DA82E.2090707@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 03:13:51PM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > >> You're thinking the other way around. I'm simply coming out of the 1/8 " >> green (usually means spkr) port. >> > > It's supposed to mean speaker/headphone at least. > > >> I don't think I have a line out. Judging form the port colours (red, >> green, blue) and their icons (microphone, mus. note w arrow out, mus. >> note w arrow in) I think I only have mic, spkr out, and line in. >> > > There is never a speaker out, only line level (or headphone). A PC > can't drive speakers directly (other than headphones), at least not in > a useful way. > > >> Well, it's the noise I want to lower, not to raise the volume per se. I >> think the engineer that advised me (though not for linux, unfortunately) >> was hoping that if I up the volume on the card I would get less noise. >> Remember noise and signal are always competing for the same territory. >> Hence, signal-to-noise ratio. >> > > True. Of course on my sb live, going above about 80% causes clipping > (someone did a stupid design apparently). That's rather unusual though. > > >> I could mute them. I only use this computer to playback from youtube. I >> don't record to it. I have a proper setup on another computer for >> recording. So, how do I mute unwanted sliders in alsamixer? >> > > In alsamixer you can switch to capture settings using F4 (or tab). > You can then mute the inputs you don't need. > Yeah, tab gets me to capture, but I don't know the command to mute a slider. Up and down arrows only raise and lower level (to 00) but don't change it to 'MM' (which, I assume, is mute). Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 18 21:06:46 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:06:46 -0500 Subject: turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <4B7DA82E.2090707-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881002171155j324c93pabfd456471f76e44@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C4CCC.6080602@chrisaitken.net> <20100218153317.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D637E.1050205@chrisaitken.net> <20100218165637.GU4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D9080.8010407@chrisaitken.net> <20100218191640.GV4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D9F7F.4050404@chrisaitken.net> <20100218203623.GW4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7DA82E.2090707@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20100218210646.GX4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 03:50:54PM -0500, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > Yeah, tab gets me to capture, but I don't know the command to mute a > slider. Up and down arrows only raise and lower level (to 00) but don't > change it to 'MM' (which, I assume, is mute). Well turning them down to 0 should do. Not all sound chips have mute as an option on inputs. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 18 22:08:18 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:08:18 -0500 Subject: semi-OT: power requirements In-Reply-To: <20100217233603.515515fa.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <1266459756.28867.1479.camel@gont> <20100217233603.515515fa.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <4B7DBA52.1000704@ve3syb.ca> ted leslie wrote: > Then one day perhaps a year later, you have a power outage, > and then for the first time all those machines start up at > exactly the same time, and all the HD load up (on power) at the same time, > and pop goes the breaker(s) That's also one of the reasons why it is good to turn off some equipment/appliances/lights when hit by a power failure to reduce initial hydro load when the power is restored. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 18 23:49:05 2010 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:49:05 -0500 Subject: Soundblaster - was Re:turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <20100218203623.GW4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881002171130p75b9ddbclcc7d0d723c13a4bf@mail.gmail.com> <4B7D9F7F.4050404@chrisaitken.net> <20100218203623.GW4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <201002181849.06267.amarjan@pobox.com> On February 18, 2010 03:36:23 pm you wrote: > True. Of course on my sb live, going above about 80% causes clipping > (someone did a stupid design apparently). That's rather unusual though. Going off on a tangent, I have an Audigy 2 which is quite nice and has a fantastic DAC on it and I have it connected to an old analog receiver that acts as an amplifier. Under Windows XP, it's also very loud. Under everything else (including newer Windowses), it's a lot quieter. I have to turn up the volume on the receiver considerably to get the same output. Of course that introduces noise from the receiver. I don't suppose anyone here knows of a way to boost its output under Alsa to something comparable to the Windows XP setting? I haven't been able to find anything too useful myself. Thanks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gargamel.su-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 05:14:47 2010 From: gargamel.su-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (jing) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:14:47 -0500 Subject: bluetooth tethering TO a desktop Message-ID: Hi Everybody, I have a bit of a strange problem, and my google-fu has failed me thus far. Recently the WiFi chip in my Nokia N770 appears to have fully gone kaput. Fortunately, the Bluetooth on the N770 appears to still be working. What I want to do is make my Linux desktop lie and say that it's a dial-up-modem (like a cellphone). Then I want to pair the N770 to the desktop (acting like a phone) and have the desktop ignore the cellular dial-up settings coming from the N770, and instead just serve up a PPP session giving the N770 internet access. Unfortunately my N770 is no longer under warranty, and I only use it in the living room anyways (where the Linux desktop is). Thanks for any hints, clues, or fully formed right answers. :) -Jing -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 10:33:33 2010 From: gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Eric Battersby) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:33:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1002180646l67cc767al8637c82e6d91f51d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1002180646l67cc767al8637c82e6d91f51d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I disabled PulseAudio, in Fedora and never looked back. It would stop working after a few minutes. Here is one log message: cpulimit.c: Received request to terminate due to CPU overload I am only using ALSA now. To remove it, I ran this (from some linux page): rpm -e pulseaudio pulseaudio-module-x11 pulseaudio-module-zeroconf pulsaudio-esound-compat pulseaudio-module-lirc pulseaudio-module-jack pulseaudio-module-gconf paprefs pavucontrol pavumeter paman pulseaudio-module-bluetooth kde-settings-pulseaudio fluxbox-pulseaudio alsa-plugins-pulseaudio - that seemed to work - why didn't I do a yum erase? - don't know now, but you want to be careful not to remove too many dependencies - my volume control disappeared; I use alsamixer for that On Thu, 18 Feb 2010, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Heck no. If it worked with ALSA before, it should work after. > > A couple other things to check > /etc/modprobe.d entries for ALSA (you might want to remove old > entries, purge the main ALSA packages, reinstall) > try sound from commandline before logging in, so that you're just on > ALSA without Pulse possibly stealing the device > > Some useful commands: > aplay -l : lists soundcards that ALSA knows > alsamixer : commandline mixer useful for configuring prior to > getting into gnome/pulse. Use "m" for mute/unmute and arrows for > volume, tab for navigation > aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav : test sound (alsa) > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> I'm waiting for a reply back from work with some more info/command >> output from dmesg and lspci and so on. I'll get them to also check if >> pulse is even running, didn't think of that. >> >> So you've never had to go the OSS route? >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >>> I found a couple things when updating to karmic on various machines >>> that could case this: >>> - Gnome/pulse found a different "default" soundcard than what they should have >>> - PA set the volume to nothing in the sound panel mixer, or turned on mute >>> - Wrong "profile" in the hardware settings of the sound prefs >>> >>> If you have a .asoundrc file in your homedir you may need to nuke that too >>> >>> Are you seeing your soundcard? Is the pulseaudio daemon loading? >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Thomas Milne >>> wrote: >>>> Ha! So it finally got to me. So far on my home machine it's been no >>>> problem, so I've been wondering why everyone hates Pulse so much. >>>> >>>> Until now. At work we upgraded all the machines to Karmic Koala and >>>> now a lot of them have no sound. If you saw how we do our jobs, you >>>> would understand what a horrifying thing this is ;) >>>> >>>> Anyhow, I remember some threads on here a while ago about fixing this >>>> by using good 'ol OSS, but as these are work computers I thought I >>>> would ask before I start trying some of the solutions. Is this really >>>> the tried and true method? >>>> >>>> I also found this link. Anyone else solve it like this? >>>> >>>> http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395089 >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> TBM >>>> -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 11:27:28 2010 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 06:27:28 -0500 Subject: turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <20100218203623.GW4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org>; from lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org on Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 15:36:23 -0500 References: <4B7C45C3.6040208@chrisaitken.net> <32f6a8881002171155j324c93pabfd456471f76e44@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C4CCC.6080602@chrisaitken.net> <20100218153317.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D637E.1050205@chrisaitken.net> <20100218165637.GU4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D9080.8010407@chrisaitken.net> <20100218191640.GV4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D9F7F.4050404@chrisaitken.net> <20100218203623.GW4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100219112728.GA1487@localhost> On Thu Feb 18,2010 03:36:23 PM Lennart Sorensen wrote: > There is never a speaker out, only line level (or headphone). A PC > can't drive speakers directly (other than headphones), at least not > in a useful way. Not entirely true. I've seen both motherboards and sound cards with a built in audio amplifier sufficient to drive small speakers to a reasonable volume. Jumpers or configuration settings are provided to select either line or speaker levels to the output jack. These were older products, though. It may not be so common these days (but never say never). -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 12:40:45 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:40:45 -0200 Subject: Soundblaster - was Re:turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <201002181849.06267.amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881002171130p75b9ddbclcc7d0d723c13a4bf@mail.gmail.com> <4B7D9F7F.4050404@chrisaitken.net> <20100218203623.GW4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <201002181849.06267.amarjan@pobox.com> Message-ID: I don't know about Audigy, but the SBLive is almost two soundcards in one with a digital mixing bus between them. One half is the EMU10K1 chip and the other is a plain, boring AC97 codec. So, trying to answer both questions below: 1. The clipping which is occurring when the volume goes above 80% is probably something on EMU10K1 output which is clipping the AC97 input. All settings appear on alsamixer, but it's quite complicated to understand what goes where. When I had SBLive installed here, lowering the PCM volume and increasing AC97 out (or "Front", I don't remember now) got rid of the clippings. 2. As I said before, I never used an Audigy, but I read somewhere that the design is quite similar to the SBLive. If this is true, try increasing the AC97 output. This should boost the volume. A lot. FZ On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 21:49, Andrej Marjan wrote: > On February 18, 2010 03:36:23 pm you wrote: > > > True. Of course on my sb live, going above about 80% causes clipping > > (someone did a stupid design apparently). That's rather unusual though. > > Going off on a tangent, I have an Audigy 2 which is quite nice and has a > fantastic DAC on it and I have it connected to an old analog receiver that > acts as an amplifier. > > Under Windows XP, it's also very loud. Under everything else (including > newer > Windowses), it's a lot quieter. I have to turn up the volume on the > receiver > considerably to get the same output. Of course that introduces noise from > the > receiver. > > I don't suppose anyone here knows of a way to boost its output under Alsa > to > something comparable to the Windows XP setting? I haven't been able to find > anything too useful myself. > > Thanks. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 14:17:44 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 06:17:44 -0800 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1002180646l67cc767al8637c82e6d91f51d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1002190617s55332b8eve473158498025706@mail.gmail.com> One thing I *do* still use pulse for is tying into Bluez for bluetooth A2DP or SCO audio. I haven't figured out a convenient way to do that in ALSA yet, otherwise I'd dump pulse pretty quick on most of my boxen. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:33 AM, Eric Battersby wrote: > I disabled PulseAudio, in Fedora and never looked back. > It would stop working after a few minutes. > Here is one log message: > ?cpulimit.c: Received request to terminate due to CPU overload > I am only using ALSA now. > > To remove it, I ran this (from some linux page): > ? ? ? ?rpm -e pulseaudio pulseaudio-module-x11 > ? ? ? ?pulseaudio-module-zeroconf pulsaudio-esound-compat > ? ? ? ?pulseaudio-module-lirc pulseaudio-module-jack > ? ? ? ?pulseaudio-module-gconf paprefs pavucontrol pavumeter > ? ? ? ?paman pulseaudio-module-bluetooth > ? ? ? ?kde-settings-pulseaudio fluxbox-pulseaudio > ? ? ? ?alsa-plugins-pulseaudio > - that seemed to work > - why didn't I do a yum erase? > ?- don't know now, but you want to be careful not to remove > ? ?too many dependencies > - my volume control disappeared; I use alsamixer for that > > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010, Tyler Aviss wrote: > >> Heck no. If it worked with ALSA before, it should work after. >> >> A couple other things to check >> ?/etc/modprobe.d entries for ALSA (you might want to remove old >> entries, purge the main ALSA packages, reinstall) >> ?try sound from commandline before logging in, so that you're just on >> ALSA without Pulse possibly stealing the device >> >> Some useful commands: >> ?aplay -l : lists soundcards that ALSA knows >> ?alsamixer : commandline mixer useful for configuring prior to >> getting into gnome/pulse. Use "m" for mute/unmute and arrows for >> volume, tab for navigation >> ?aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav ?: test sound (alsa) >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Thomas Milne >> wrote: >>> >>> I'm waiting for a reply back from work with some more info/command >>> output from dmesg and lspci and so on. I'll get them to also check if >>> pulse is even running, didn't think of that. >>> >>> So you've never had to go the OSS route? >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >>>> >>>> I found a couple things when updating to karmic on various machines >>>> that could case this: >>>> ?- Gnome/pulse found a different "default" soundcard than what they >>>> should have >>>> ?- PA set the volume to nothing in the sound panel mixer, or turned on >>>> mute >>>> ?- Wrong "profile" in the hardware settings of the sound prefs >>>> >>>> If you have a .asoundrc file in your homedir you may need to nuke that >>>> too >>>> >>>> Are you seeing your soundcard? Is the pulseaudio daemon loading? >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Thomas Milne >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ha! So it finally got to me. So far on my home machine it's been no >>>>> problem, so I've been wondering why everyone hates Pulse so much. >>>>> >>>>> Until now. At work we upgraded all the machines to Karmic Koala and >>>>> now a lot of them have no sound. If you saw how we do our jobs, you >>>>> would understand what a horrifying thing this is ;) >>>>> >>>>> Anyhow, I remember some threads on here a while ago about fixing this >>>>> by using good 'ol OSS, but as these are work computers I thought I >>>>> would ask before I start trying some of the solutions. Is this really >>>>> the tried and true method? >>>>> >>>>> I also found this link. Anyone else solve it like this? >>>>> >>>>> http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395089 >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> TBM >>>>> -- > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 15:22:28 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:22:28 -0500 Subject: OT best bluetooth speakerphone, or headset Message-ID: <491f66a51002190722k1524ef82qc1c7d5da5ae9289@mail.gmail.com> Anyone have an opinion on bluetooth headsets or speakerphones ? So far jawbone, and blueant seem to be the most popular Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 15:34:45 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:34:45 -0500 Subject: turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <20100219112728.GA1487@localhost> References: <32f6a8881002171155j324c93pabfd456471f76e44@mail.gmail.com> <4B7C4CCC.6080602@chrisaitken.net> <20100218153317.GT4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D637E.1050205@chrisaitken.net> <20100218165637.GU4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D9080.8010407@chrisaitken.net> <20100218191640.GV4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B7D9F7F.4050404@chrisaitken.net> <20100218203623.GW4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100219112728.GA1487@localhost> Message-ID: <20100219153445.GY4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 06:27:28AM -0500, Scott Allen wrote: > Not entirely true. I've seen both motherboards and sound cards with a > built in audio amplifier sufficient to drive small speakers to a > reasonable volume. Jumpers or configuration settings are provided to > select either line or speaker levels to the output jack. > > These were older products, though. It may not be so common these days > (but never say never). OK, and I think MSI has a board with 100W/channel speaker output too. Doesn't mean you should expect to have it unless you specifically bought a system for that feature. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 15:36:05 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:36:05 -0500 Subject: Soundblaster - was Re:turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <201002181849.06267.amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881002171130p75b9ddbclcc7d0d723c13a4bf@mail.gmail.com> <4B7D9F7F.4050404@chrisaitken.net> <20100218203623.GW4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <201002181849.06267.amarjan@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20100219153605.GZ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 06:49:05PM -0500, Andrej Marjan wrote: > On February 18, 2010 03:36:23 pm you wrote: > > > True. Of course on my sb live, going above about 80% causes clipping > > (someone did a stupid design apparently). That's rather unusual though. > > Going off on a tangent, I have an Audigy 2 which is quite nice and has a > fantastic DAC on it and I have it connected to an old analog receiver that > acts as an amplifier. > > Under Windows XP, it's also very loud. Under everything else (including newer > Windowses), it's a lot quieter. I have to turn up the volume on the receiver > considerably to get the same output. Of course that introduces noise from the > receiver. > > I don't suppose anyone here knows of a way to boost its output under Alsa to > something comparable to the Windows XP setting? I haven't been able to find > anything too useful myself. Perhaps the audigy has the same clipping issue and crative did something about it by making the drivers use a sane limit. :) Or maybe it's just one of the dozens of sliders that is set wrong. The emu chips have so many options after all. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 15:43:14 2010 From: stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org (Stephen W. Clarke) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:43:14 -0500 Subject: OT best bluetooth speakerphone, or headset In-Reply-To: <491f66a51002190722k1524ef82qc1c7d5da5ae9289-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <491f66a51002190722k1524ef82qc1c7d5da5ae9289@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <697e5dd5922ca232a271ed9d7ed00fdc.squirrel@nray.ca> My Blueant V1 is the overall best headset I've ever used. It is very feature rich, which as a techie I really like. Also, the fact that it does things like speak the incoming phone number and allow me to answer or ignore by voice command is particularly cool. It also has upgradable firmware which theoretically means that new features can be added in the future without having to buy a new headset. The sound quality is not as good as on the Jawbone2 I have, but I only know that because I've used both. I don't have any complaints about the sound on the Blueant. The Jawbone2 is also a far more fashionable device. It uses two hidden buttons for control, which can be frustrating to use. But it really does look slick. I think I've seen some of the characters on CSI wearing the Jawbone2. That's my 2 cents. Stephen > Anyone have an opinion on bluetooth headsets or speakerphones ? > > So far jawbone, and blueant seem to be the most popular > > Dave > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Stephen W. Clarke Marketing and Communications Officer Nray Services Inc. 56A Head Street Dundas, ON L9H 3H7 CANADA (905) 627-1302 x14 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 16:28:20 2010 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:28:20 -0500 Subject: semi-OT: power requirements In-Reply-To: <4B7DBA52.1000704-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <1266459756.28867.1479.camel@gont> <20100217233603.515515fa.tleslie@tcn.net> <4B7DBA52.1000704@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <1266596900.2714.12.camel@gont> On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 17:08 -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote: > ted leslie wrote: > > Then one day perhaps a year later, you have a power outage, > > and then for the first time all those machines start up at > > exactly the same time, and all the HD load up (on power) at the same time, > > and pop goes the breaker(s) > > That's also one of the reasons why it is good to turn off some > equipment/appliances/lights when hit by a power failure to reduce > initial hydro load when the power is restored. hmm, in the case of the computer centre -- is the problem that startup is energy-intensive, say, like starting your car, and so you're suddenly maxing out all the circuits; or is it more that the shape of the energy profile, with a sharp spike in the front, prematurely trips the breaker even if the total amperage doesn't exceed the rating? just wondering. thanks everyone for the tips, they've been quite helpful. m -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 17:07:16 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:07:16 -0500 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The system does appear to see the soundcard: scribe at scribe14:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xfe024000 irq 22 scribe at scribe14:~$ lspci | grep -i audio 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) but dmesg seems to show nothing: scribe at scribe14:~$ dmesg | grep -i "sound|audio|snd" scribe at scribe14:~$ On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I found a couple things when updating to karmic on various machines > that could case this: > ?- Gnome/pulse found a different "default" soundcard than what they should have > ?- PA set the volume to nothing in the sound panel mixer, or turned on mute > ?- Wrong "profile" in the hardware settings of the sound prefs > > If you have a .asoundrc file in your homedir you may need to nuke that too > > Are you seeing your soundcard? Is the pulseaudio daemon loading? > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> Ha! So it finally got to me. So far on my home machine it's been no >> problem, so I've been wondering why everyone hates Pulse so much. >> >> Until now. At work we upgraded all the machines to Karmic Koala and >> now a lot of them have no sound. If you saw how we do our jobs, you >> would understand what a horrifying thing this is ;) >> >> Anyhow, I remember some threads on here a while ago about fixing this >> by using good 'ol OSS, but as these are work computers I thought I >> would ask before I start trying some of the solutions. Is this really >> the tried and true method? >> >> I also found this link. Anyone else solve it like this? >> >> http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395089 >> >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> TBM >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA > > ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that > is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 17:17:29 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:17:29 -0500 Subject: OT best bluetooth speakerphone, or headset In-Reply-To: <697e5dd5922ca232a271ed9d7ed00fdc.squirrel-wtWqQT8woy8@public.gmane.org> References: <491f66a51002190722k1524ef82qc1c7d5da5ae9289@mail.gmail.com> <697e5dd5922ca232a271ed9d7ed00fdc.squirrel@nray.ca> Message-ID: <20100219171729.GA4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:43:14AM -0500, Stephen W. Clarke wrote: > My Blueant V1 is the overall best headset I've ever used. It is very > feature rich, which as a techie I really like. Also, the fact that it does > things like speak the incoming phone number and allow me to answer or > ignore by voice command is particularly cool. It also has upgradable > firmware which theoretically means that new features can be added in the > future without having to buy a new headset. > > The sound quality is not as good as on the Jawbone2 I have, but I only > know that because I've used both. I don't have any complaints about the > sound on the Blueant. The Jawbone2 is also a far more fashionable device. > It uses two hidden buttons for control, which can be frustrating to use. > But it really does look slick. I think I've seen some of the characters on > CSI wearing the Jawbone2. The jawbone2 certainly works well. Now it has the same problem as every other bluetooh device I have ever seen, which is that it is possible to turn on by accident if it is in a bag and gets pushed on. Why can't they use slider switches for power or something that can't easily be activated just by pressure. The jawbone prime has even better sound quality by the way and can sync to two different devices. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 17:18:31 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:18:31 -0500 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100219171831.GB4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:07:16PM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: > The system does appear to see the soundcard: > > scribe at scribe14:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards > 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia > HDA NVidia at 0xfe024000 irq 22 > scribe at scribe14:~$ lspci | grep -i audio > 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) > > but dmesg seems to show nothing: > > scribe at scribe14:~$ dmesg | grep -i "sound|audio|snd" > scribe at scribe14:~$ Alsa doesn't believe in being noisy if things work. lsmod probably shows something. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 17:29:01 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:29:01 -0500 Subject: OT best bluetooth speakerphone, or headset In-Reply-To: <491f66a51002190722k1524ef82qc1c7d5da5ae9289-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <491f66a51002190722k1524ef82qc1c7d5da5ae9289@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7ECA5D.5010709@alteeve.com> Dave Cramer wrote: > Anyone have an opinion on bluetooth headsets or speakerphones ? > > So far jawbone, and blueant seem to be the most popular > > Dave I've been quite happy with my Motorola H710. I got is specifically because I was looking for a headset that could bind to my laptop and phone at the same time. It has decent battery life and it's never turned on by accident before. This is thanks to the fact that the mic flips out in order to start it up. It also uses a generic (new style) USB connector for charging. I've charged it off my laptop using my mouse's cable before. :P Oh, and the range on this thing is crazy. I've used it up two rooms away from the host device before, though it does start to degrade at that distance. The only downside, and I think this may be pretty universal, is that wind noise is picked up pretty loudly. However, cupping my hand over the mic solves that. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 20:21:14 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:21:14 -0500 Subject: OT best bluetooth speakerphone, or headset In-Reply-To: <4B7ECA5D.5010709-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <491f66a51002190722k1524ef82qc1c7d5da5ae9289@mail.gmail.com> <4B7ECA5D.5010709@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20100219202114.GC4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:29:01PM -0500, Digimer wrote: > I've been quite happy with my Motorola H710. I got is specifically > because I was looking for a headset that could bind to my laptop and > phone at the same time. > > It has decent battery life and it's never turned on by accident before. > This is thanks to the fact that the mic flips out in order to start it > up. It also uses a generic (new style) USB connector for charging. I've > charged it off my laptop using my mouse's cable before. :P > > Oh, and the range on this thing is crazy. I've used it up two rooms away > from the host device before, though it does start to degrade at that > distance. > > The only downside, and I think this may be pretty universal, is that > wind noise is picked up pretty loudly. However, cupping my hand over the > mic solves that. I know the jawbone prime is supposed to be very good at reducing windnoise, and can link to two devices at once (and costs $100 or more). It comes in pretty colour choices too for those that care. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 21:32:58 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:32:58 -0800 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <20100219171831.GB4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> <20100219171831.GB4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:07:16PM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: >> The system does appear to see the soundcard: >> >> scribe at scribe14:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards >> ?0 [NVidia ? ? ? ? ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?HDA NVidia at 0xfe024000 irq 22 >> scribe at scribe14:~$ lspci | grep -i audio >> 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) >> >> but dmesg seems to show nothing: >> >> scribe at scribe14:~$ dmesg | grep -i "sound|audio|snd" >> scribe at scribe14:~$ > > Alsa doesn't believe in being noisy if things work. > > lsmod probably shows something. > Ah, okay. Well, this is what lsmod shows: scribe at scribe14:~$ lsmod | grep -i snd snd_hda_codec_analog 59292 1 snd_hda_intel 26984 2 snd_hda_codec 75708 2 snd_hda_codec_analog,snd_hda_intel snd_hwdep 7200 1 snd_hda_codec snd_pcm_oss 37920 0 snd_mixer_oss 16028 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 75520 3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_seq_dummy 2656 0 snd_seq_oss 28576 0 snd_seq_midi 6432 0 snd_rawmidi 22208 1 snd_seq_midi snd_seq_midi_event 6940 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi snd_seq 50224 6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_timer 22276 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq snd_seq_device 6920 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq snd 59204 16 snd_hda_codec_analog,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device soundcore 7264 1 snd snd_page_alloc 9252 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm Should it now show 'nvidia' somewhere in there? -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 21:48:15 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:48:15 -0800 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sitting at the machine now. In the sound prefs (the speaker icon in the panel) it does show the sound card and even will show what application is using it and so on, but still no sound. I'm not sure what to check to see if the correct 'profile' is being used, but nothing appears to be muted anywhere. I'm not sure how to see if the daemon is running, it doesn't respond the way I'm used to: scribe at scribe14:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart [sudo] password for scribe: * PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions scribe at scribe14:~$ pulseaudio E: socket-server.c: bind(): Address already in use E: module.c: Failed to load module "module-esound-protocol-unix" (argument: ""): initialization failed. E: main.c: Module load failed. E: main.c: Failed to initialize daemon. scribe at scribe14:~$ pulse-session E: main.c: Daemon startup failed. That could be because it's already running, though, no? There was no .asoundrc file to nuke. Thanks! On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I found a couple things when updating to karmic on various machines > that could case this: > ?- Gnome/pulse found a different "default" soundcard than what they should have > ?- PA set the volume to nothing in the sound panel mixer, or turned on mute > ?- Wrong "profile" in the hardware settings of the sound prefs > > If you have a .asoundrc file in your homedir you may need to nuke that too > > Are you seeing your soundcard? Is the pulseaudio daemon loading? > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> Ha! So it finally got to me. So far on my home machine it's been no >> problem, so I've been wondering why everyone hates Pulse so much. >> >> Until now. At work we upgraded all the machines to Karmic Koala and >> now a lot of them have no sound. If you saw how we do our jobs, you >> would understand what a horrifying thing this is ;) >> >> Anyhow, I remember some threads on here a while ago about fixing this >> by using good 'ol OSS, but as these are work computers I thought I >> would ask before I start trying some of the solutions. Is this really >> the tried and true method? >> >> I also found this link. Anyone else solve it like this? >> >> http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395089 >> >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> TBM >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA > > ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that > is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 22:00:28 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:00:28 -0500 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> <20100219171831.GB4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100219220028.GD4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 01:32:58PM -0800, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:07:16PM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote: > >> The system does appear to see the soundcard: > >> > >> scribe at scribe14:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards > >> ?0 [NVidia ? ? ? ? ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia > >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?HDA NVidia at 0xfe024000 irq 22 > >> scribe at scribe14:~$ lspci | grep -i audio > >> 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) > >> > >> but dmesg seems to show nothing: > >> > >> scribe at scribe14:~$ dmesg | grep -i "sound|audio|snd" > >> scribe at scribe14:~$ > > > > Alsa doesn't believe in being noisy if things work. > > > > lsmod probably shows something. > > > > Ah, okay. Well, this is what lsmod shows: > > scribe at scribe14:~$ lsmod | grep -i snd > snd_hda_codec_analog 59292 1 > snd_hda_intel 26984 2 > snd_hda_codec 75708 2 snd_hda_codec_analog,snd_hda_intel > snd_hwdep 7200 1 snd_hda_codec > snd_pcm_oss 37920 0 > snd_mixer_oss 16028 1 snd_pcm_oss > snd_pcm 75520 3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss > snd_seq_dummy 2656 0 > snd_seq_oss 28576 0 > snd_seq_midi 6432 0 > snd_rawmidi 22208 1 snd_seq_midi > snd_seq_midi_event 6940 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi > snd_seq 50224 6 > snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event > snd_timer 22276 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq > snd_seq_device 6920 5 > snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq > snd 59204 16 > snd_hda_codec_analog,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device > soundcore 7264 1 snd > snd_page_alloc 9252 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm > > Should it now show 'nvidia' somewhere in there? nvidia's audio is intel hda compatible, so it is covered by snd_hda_intel. Note that it said 'HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia' above. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 22:05:37 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:05:37 -0500 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100219220537.GE4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 01:48:15PM -0800, Thomas Milne wrote: > Sitting at the machine now. In the sound prefs (the speaker icon in > the panel) it does show the sound card and even will show what > application is using it and so on, but still no sound. I'm not sure > what to check to see if the correct 'profile' is being used, but > nothing appears to be muted anywhere. > > I'm not sure how to see if the daemon is running, it doesn't respond > the way I'm used to: Well run alsamixer, and check that master and front are turned up and not muted. intel hda that I have seen tend to have a front slider that has to be turned up to work. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 19 23:51:13 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:51:13 -0800 Subject: OT best bluetooth speakerphone, or headset In-Reply-To: <4B7ECA5D.5010709-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <491f66a51002190722k1524ef82qc1c7d5da5ae9289@mail.gmail.com> <4B7ECA5D.5010709@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1002191551r1ee77feak7788b112a84d76cb@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Digimer wrote: > Dave Cramer wrote: >> >> Anyone have an opinion on bluetooth headsets or speakerphones ? >> >> So far jawbone, and blueant seem to be the most popular >> >> Dave > > I've been quite happy with my Motorola H710. I got is specifically because I > was looking for a headset that could bind to my laptop and phone at the same > time. > > It has decent battery life and it's never turned on by accident before. This > is thanks to the fact that the mic flips out in order to start it up. It > also uses a generic (new style) USB connector for charging. I've charged it > off my laptop using my mouse's cable before. :P > > Oh, and the range on this thing is crazy. I've used it up two rooms away > from the host device before, though it does start to degrade at that > distance. > > The only downside, and I think this may be pretty universal, is that wind > noise is picked up pretty loudly. However, cupping my hand over the mic > solves that. > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > My co-worker had one of those. I believe. The only major issue I could suggest is that eventually the little hinge gets a little boom flips out gets worn (much like flip-phones) and can come loose or break if you're not careful. -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 20 00:00:59 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:00:59 -0800 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1002191600s5918a10cvf61126faa0e44f95@mail.gmail.com> Modern pulseaudio behavior is to run a "session" when you login to X. /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio The /etc/init.d/ one doesn't do anything unless you do a bunch of reconfiguration to use system-wide pulse, which actually tends to cause more issues rather than less. To see if you're already got a pulse session, try: pulseaudio --check && echo OK To kill one (although I think gnome respawns them) pulseaudio -k It looks like ALSA did find your card, try "aplay -l" to list it from alsa. Another problem may be that though your card is intel-HDA compatible, there are actually a whole whackload of sub-models that your specific chipset might fall under. Check for funky entries under: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf /etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.conf The second one will have model-specific info. If the model is wrong, your sound won't work. For example I have: options snd-hda-intel model=m51va Other options can be: options snd-hda-intel model=realtek options snd-hda-intel model=m51va options snd-hda-intel model=6stack options snd-hda-intel model=3stack options snd-hda-intel model=acer etc etc You'd have to rmmod and them modprobe the driver (snd_hda_intel) to try new ones after editing the config, or stop/start ALSA, or reboot. I think the Nvidia one might be realtek based? I'd have to check my other machine which has an Nvidia chipset and get back to you on that for the params that worked on that one... On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > Sitting at the machine now. In the sound prefs (the speaker icon in > the panel) it does show the sound card and even will show what > application is using it and so on, but still no sound. I'm not sure > what to check to see if the correct 'profile' is being used, but > nothing appears to be muted anywhere. > > I'm not sure how to see if the daemon is running, it doesn't respond > the way I'm used to: > > scribe at scribe14:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart > [sudo] password for scribe: > ?* PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions > scribe at scribe14:~$ pulseaudio > E: socket-server.c: bind(): Address already in use > E: module.c: Failed to load ?module "module-esound-protocol-unix" > (argument: ""): initialization failed. > E: main.c: Module load failed. > E: main.c: Failed to initialize daemon. > scribe at scribe14:~$ pulse-session > E: main.c: Daemon startup failed. > > That could be because it's already running, though, no? > > There was no .asoundrc file to nuke. > > Thanks! > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> I found a couple things when updating to karmic on various machines >> that could case this: >> ?- Gnome/pulse found a different "default" soundcard than what they should have >> ?- PA set the volume to nothing in the sound panel mixer, or turned on mute >> ?- Wrong "profile" in the hardware settings of the sound prefs >> >> If you have a .asoundrc file in your homedir you may need to nuke that too >> >> Are you seeing your soundcard? Is the pulseaudio daemon loading? >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Thomas Milne >> wrote: >>> Ha! So it finally got to me. So far on my home machine it's been no >>> problem, so I've been wondering why everyone hates Pulse so much. >>> >>> Until now. At work we upgraded all the machines to Karmic Koala and >>> now a lot of them have no sound. If you saw how we do our jobs, you >>> would understand what a horrifying thing this is ;) >>> >>> Anyhow, I remember some threads on here a while ago about fixing this >>> by using good 'ol OSS, but as these are work computers I thought I >>> would ask before I start trying some of the solutions. Is this really >>> the tried and true method? >>> >>> I also found this link. Anyone else solve it like this? >>> >>> http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395089 >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> TBM >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tyler Aviss >> Systems Support >> LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA >> >> ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that >> is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 20 00:37:07 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:37:07 -0500 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1002191600s5918a10cvf61126faa0e44f95-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1002191600s5918a10cvf61126faa0e44f95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8881002191637o919f29age939f57d5f831f74@mail.gmail.com> I noticed this in your output: scribe at scribe14:~$ pulseaudio E: socket-server.c: bind(): Address already in use I don't know too much about pulse audio but does it use tcp sockets or some type of socket that might be conflicting so your sound won't work? On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Modern pulseaudio behavior is to run a "session" when you login to X. > ?/etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio > > The /etc/init.d/ one doesn't do anything unless you do a bunch of > reconfiguration to use system-wide pulse, which actually tends to > cause more issues rather than less. > > To see if you're already got a pulse session, try: > ?pulseaudio --check && echo OK > > To kill one (although I think gnome respawns them) > ?pulseaudio -k > > It looks like ALSA did find your card, try "aplay -l" to list it from alsa. > > > Another problem may be that though your card is intel-HDA compatible, > there are actually a whole whackload of sub-models that your specific > chipset might fall under. Check for funky entries under: > ?/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf > ?/etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.conf > > The second one will have model-specific info. If the model is wrong, > your sound won't work. For example I have: > ?options snd-hda-intel model=m51va > > Other options can be: > ?options snd-hda-intel model=realtek > ?options snd-hda-intel model=m51va > ?options snd-hda-intel model=6stack > ?options snd-hda-intel model=3stack > ?options snd-hda-intel model=acer > ?etc etc > > You'd have to rmmod and them modprobe the driver (snd_hda_intel) to > try new ones after editing the config, or stop/start ALSA, or reboot. > > I think the Nvidia one might be realtek based? I'd have to check my > other machine which has an Nvidia chipset and get back to you on that > for the params that worked on that one... > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> Sitting at the machine now. In the sound prefs (the speaker icon in >> the panel) it does show the sound card and even will show what >> application is using it and so on, but still no sound. I'm not sure >> what to check to see if the correct 'profile' is being used, but >> nothing appears to be muted anywhere. >> >> I'm not sure how to see if the daemon is running, it doesn't respond >> the way I'm used to: >> >> scribe at scribe14:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart >> [sudo] password for scribe: >> ?* PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions >> scribe at scribe14:~$ pulseaudio >> E: socket-server.c: bind(): Address already in use >> E: module.c: Failed to load ?module "module-esound-protocol-unix" >> (argument: ""): initialization failed. >> E: main.c: Module load failed. >> E: main.c: Failed to initialize daemon. >> scribe at scribe14:~$ pulse-session >> E: main.c: Daemon startup failed. >> >> That could be because it's already running, though, no? >> >> There was no .asoundrc file to nuke. >> >> Thanks! >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >>> I found a couple things when updating to karmic on various machines >>> that could case this: >>> ?- Gnome/pulse found a different "default" soundcard than what they should have >>> ?- PA set the volume to nothing in the sound panel mixer, or turned on mute >>> ?- Wrong "profile" in the hardware settings of the sound prefs >>> >>> If you have a .asoundrc file in your homedir you may need to nuke that too >>> >>> Are you seeing your soundcard? Is the pulseaudio daemon loading? >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Thomas Milne >>> wrote: >>>> Ha! So it finally got to me. So far on my home machine it's been no >>>> problem, so I've been wondering why everyone hates Pulse so much. >>>> >>>> Until now. At work we upgraded all the machines to Karmic Koala and >>>> now a lot of them have no sound. If you saw how we do our jobs, you >>>> would understand what a horrifying thing this is ;) >>>> >>>> Anyhow, I remember some threads on here a while ago about fixing this >>>> by using good 'ol OSS, but as these are work computers I thought I >>>> would ask before I start trying some of the solutions. Is this really >>>> the tried and true method? >>>> >>>> I also found this link. Anyone else solve it like this? >>>> >>>> http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395089 >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> TBM >>>> -- >>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tyler Aviss >>> Systems Support >>> LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA >>> >>> ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that >>> is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> TBM >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA > > ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that > is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 20 01:44:19 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:44:19 -0800 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1002191600s5918a10cvf61126faa0e44f95-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1002191600s5918a10cvf61126faa0e44f95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ah, okay, that makes sense. I can't check into this any further right now, I'm so far behind here, but I'm going to take a stab at it again on Monday. Thanks for the tips and have a great weekend :) On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Modern pulseaudio behavior is to run a "session" when you login to X. > ?/etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio > > The /etc/init.d/ one doesn't do anything unless you do a bunch of > reconfiguration to use system-wide pulse, which actually tends to > cause more issues rather than less. > > To see if you're already got a pulse session, try: > ?pulseaudio --check && echo OK > > To kill one (although I think gnome respawns them) > ?pulseaudio -k > > It looks like ALSA did find your card, try "aplay -l" to list it from alsa. > > > Another problem may be that though your card is intel-HDA compatible, > there are actually a whole whackload of sub-models that your specific > chipset might fall under. Check for funky entries under: > ?/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf > ?/etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.conf > > The second one will have model-specific info. If the model is wrong, > your sound won't work. For example I have: > ?options snd-hda-intel model=m51va > > Other options can be: > ?options snd-hda-intel model=realtek > ?options snd-hda-intel model=m51va > ?options snd-hda-intel model=6stack > ?options snd-hda-intel model=3stack > ?options snd-hda-intel model=acer > ?etc etc > > You'd have to rmmod and them modprobe the driver (snd_hda_intel) to > try new ones after editing the config, or stop/start ALSA, or reboot. > > I think the Nvidia one might be realtek based? I'd have to check my > other machine which has an Nvidia chipset and get back to you on that > for the params that worked on that one... > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> Sitting at the machine now. In the sound prefs (the speaker icon in >> the panel) it does show the sound card and even will show what >> application is using it and so on, but still no sound. I'm not sure >> what to check to see if the correct 'profile' is being used, but >> nothing appears to be muted anywhere. >> >> I'm not sure how to see if the daemon is running, it doesn't respond >> the way I'm used to: >> >> scribe at scribe14:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart >> [sudo] password for scribe: >> ?* PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions >> scribe at scribe14:~$ pulseaudio >> E: socket-server.c: bind(): Address already in use >> E: module.c: Failed to load ?module "module-esound-protocol-unix" >> (argument: ""): initialization failed. >> E: main.c: Module load failed. >> E: main.c: Failed to initialize daemon. >> scribe at scribe14:~$ pulse-session >> E: main.c: Daemon startup failed. >> >> That could be because it's already running, though, no? >> >> There was no .asoundrc file to nuke. >> >> Thanks! >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >>> I found a couple things when updating to karmic on various machines >>> that could case this: >>> ?- Gnome/pulse found a different "default" soundcard than what they should have >>> ?- PA set the volume to nothing in the sound panel mixer, or turned on mute >>> ?- Wrong "profile" in the hardware settings of the sound prefs >>> >>> If you have a .asoundrc file in your homedir you may need to nuke that too >>> >>> Are you seeing your soundcard? Is the pulseaudio daemon loading? >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Thomas Milne >>> wrote: >>>> Ha! So it finally got to me. So far on my home machine it's been no >>>> problem, so I've been wondering why everyone hates Pulse so much. >>>> >>>> Until now. At work we upgraded all the machines to Karmic Koala and >>>> now a lot of them have no sound. If you saw how we do our jobs, you >>>> would understand what a horrifying thing this is ;) >>>> >>>> Anyhow, I remember some threads on here a while ago about fixing this >>>> by using good 'ol OSS, but as these are work computers I thought I >>>> would ask before I start trying some of the solutions. Is this really >>>> the tried and true method? >>>> >>>> I also found this link. Anyone else solve it like this? >>>> >>>> http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395089 >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> TBM >>>> -- >>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tyler Aviss >>> Systems Support >>> LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA >>> >>> ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that >>> is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> TBM >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA > > ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that > is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 20 16:06:59 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss (gmail)) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:06:59 -0800 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <32f6a8881002191637o919f29age939f57d5f831f74-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1002191600s5918a10cvf61126faa0e44f95@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8881002191637o919f29age939f57d5f831f74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: AFAIK it can bind either a local socket or even enable remote connections (similar to how eSound did networked audio) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > I noticed this in your output: > > scribe at scribe14:~$ pulseaudio > E: socket-server.c: bind(): Address already in use > > I don't know too much about pulse audio but does it use tcp sockets or > some type of socket that might be conflicting so your sound won't > work? > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Tyler Aviss > wrote: >> Modern pulseaudio behavior is to run a "session" when you login to X. >> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio >> >> The /etc/init.d/ one doesn't do anything unless you do a bunch of >> reconfiguration to use system-wide pulse, which actually tends to >> cause more issues rather than less. >> >> To see if you're already got a pulse session, try: >> pulseaudio --check && echo OK >> >> To kill one (although I think gnome respawns them) >> pulseaudio -k >> >> It looks like ALSA did find your card, try "aplay -l" to list it >> from alsa. >> >> >> Another problem may be that though your card is intel-HDA compatible, >> there are actually a whole whackload of sub-models that your specific >> chipset might fall under. Check for funky entries under: >> /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf >> /etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.conf >> >> The second one will have model-specific info. If the model is wrong, >> your sound won't work. For example I have: >> options snd-hda-intel model=m51va >> >> Other options can be: >> options snd-hda-intel model=realtek >> options snd-hda-intel model=m51va >> options snd-hda-intel model=6stack >> options snd-hda-intel model=3stack >> options snd-hda-intel model=acer >> etc etc >> >> You'd have to rmmod and them modprobe the driver (snd_hda_intel) to >> try new ones after editing the config, or stop/start ALSA, or reboot. >> >> I think the Nvidia one might be realtek based? I'd have to check my >> other machine which has an Nvidia chipset and get back to you on that >> for the params that worked on that one... >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Thomas Milne >> wrote: >>> Sitting at the machine now. In the sound prefs (the speaker icon in >>> the panel) it does show the sound card and even will show what >>> application is using it and so on, but still no sound. I'm not sure >>> what to check to see if the correct 'profile' is being used, but >>> nothing appears to be muted anywhere. >>> >>> I'm not sure how to see if the daemon is running, it doesn't respond >>> the way I'm used to: >>> >>> scribe at scribe14:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart >>> [sudo] password for scribe: >>> * PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions >>> scribe at scribe14:~$ pulseaudio >>> E: socket-server.c: bind(): Address already in use >>> E: module.c: Failed to load module "module-esound-protocol-unix" >>> (argument: ""): initialization failed. >>> E: main.c: Module load failed. >>> E: main.c: Failed to initialize daemon. >>> scribe at scribe14:~$ pulse-session >>> E: main.c: Daemon startup failed. >>> >>> That could be because it's already running, though, no? >>> >>> There was no .asoundrc file to nuke. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Tyler Aviss >>> wrote: >>>> I found a couple things when updating to karmic on various machines >>>> that could case this: >>>> - Gnome/pulse found a different "default" soundcard than what >>>> they should have >>>> - PA set the volume to nothing in the sound panel mixer, or >>>> turned on mute >>>> - Wrong "profile" in the hardware settings of the sound prefs >>>> >>>> If you have a .asoundrc file in your homedir you may need to nuke >>>> that too >>>> >>>> Are you seeing your soundcard? Is the pulseaudio daemon loading? >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Thomas Milne >>>> wrote: >>>>> Ha! So it finally got to me. So far on my home machine it's been >>>>> no >>>>> problem, so I've been wondering why everyone hates Pulse so much. >>>>> >>>>> Until now. At work we upgraded all the machines to Karmic Koala >>>>> and >>>>> now a lot of them have no sound. If you saw how we do our jobs, >>>>> you >>>>> would understand what a horrifying thing this is ;) >>>>> >>>>> Anyhow, I remember some threads on here a while ago about fixing >>>>> this >>>>> by using good 'ol OSS, but as these are work computers I thought I >>>>> would ask before I start trying some of the solutions. Is this >>>>> really >>>>> the tried and true method? >>>>> >>>>> I also found this link. Anyone else solve it like this? >>>>> >>>>> http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395089 >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> TBM >>>>> -- >>>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tyler Aviss >>>> Systems Support >>>> LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA >>>> >>>> ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a b >>>> oat that >>>> is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu >>>> -- >>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> TBM >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tyler Aviss >> Systems Support >> LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA >> >> ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat >> that >> is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > > > > Dave Germiquet > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 22 04:14:59 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:14:59 -0500 Subject: OT: Toronto street lights sale Message-ID: Hi I got a small rant I need to share that has nothing to do with technology, but since this is Toronto LUG, I think the sale of Toronto street lights is something we can share about. I once mentioned this deal here some years back but a recent article below had me thinking about it again. http://www.thestar.com/printarticle/767968 After reading it, you will notice the deal was REALLY bad. To me, its similar to an individual in a very serious debt going to a gang who offer him/her money at a ridiculous interest rate and if he/she fail to pay up, they came and break his/her legs. In short, a deal done purely through emotion and no logic. Now, if this was an individual, it would be totally understandable. I have seen people doing too many things that make no sense at all. If you want an example of one such case, the article below will not disappoint. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8474611.stm Toronto city is a big organization that should have sharp people. Seriously, its not that complicated. I would assume they were given the terms of how much it would cost them to have the streets lighted annually after the sale. At that point, it was just a matter of putting the two alternatives into their present value and it would have been apparent which of the two alternative was superior. How did they get it this wrong? Could I be blind to some facts that someone here may care to enlighten? Anyway, the good thing is Toronto hydro is owned by the city, so its just moving money from one pocket to the other. I am doubtful though they would have done a better job were they dealing with an external entity. I am always puzzle why governments these days tend to be short term minded. If they start working like private firms, where anything after the next quarter does not count, we will have a really bleak future William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 21 03:02:19 2010 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:02:19 +0100 Subject: Google buys reMail Message-ID: <87aav35m10.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Google on Wednesday acquired reMail, a popular iPhone application that provides "lightning fast" full-text search of your Gmail and IMAP e-mail accounts. Full Story http://english.pravda.ru/news/science/tech/18-02-2010/112291-google_wolfed_remail-0 -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 21 03:42:12 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:42:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Canada on US "special 301" watch list Message-ID: Canada is tentatively on the US Special 301 watch list as a copyright violating country. Ars Technica and Geist point out a very nice submission to the USTR by the US CCIA (computer company group). I found the 11 page submission quite readable and worthwhile. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 22 05:02:41 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 05:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: OT: Toronto street lights sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, William Muriithi wrote: > Seriously, its not that complicated. I would assume they were given > the terms of how much it would cost them to have the streets lighted > annually after the sale. At that point, it was just a matter of > putting the two alternatives into their present value and it would > have been apparent which of the two alternative was superior. How did > they get it this wrong? Could I be blind to some facts that someone > here may care to enlighten? I've seen apparently bizarre decisions made with computers such as leasing the systems instead of buying them when it would clearly cost more to lease them over the term of the lease. There are at least two answers for this phenomenon: (1) Leasing comes from a different budget to purchasing. (2) There are tax incentives for one decision over the other. Even if (1) is artificial (2) is a genuine consideration. After tax adjustments may make the apparently bizarre decision actually fiscally sound. > Anyway, the good thing is Toronto hydro is owned by the city, so its > just moving money from one pocket to the other. I am doubtful though > they would have done a better job were they dealing with an external > entity. I am always puzzle why governments these days tend to be short > term minded. If they start working like private firms, where anything > after the next quarter does not count, we will have a really bleak > future I think it's more like 'anything after the next election does not count' :) Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org IRC: Solver Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 22 07:26:20 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:26:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Toronto street lights sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Robert Brockway | I've seen apparently bizarre decisions made with computers such as leasing the | systems instead of buying them when it would clearly cost more to lease them | over the term of the lease. There are at least two answers for this | phenomenon: | | (1) Leasing comes from a different budget to purchasing. | (2) There are tax incentives for one decision over the other. | | Even if (1) is artificial (2) is a genuine consideration. After tax | adjustments may make the apparently bizarre decision actually fiscally sound. My first awareness of this was when the Government of Ontario sold its computers to a leasing company and then leased them back. This was in the mid 1970s, if I remember correctly. This made no sense to me EXCEPT that it moved money around in the government books. Effectively, at best, they were getting the leasing company to borrow money for them, passing the cost along. But the credit rating of the leasing company was lower than the governments, so the borrowing costs had to be higher this way. Not to mention the markup. And the cost of reorganizing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 22 07:31:21 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:31:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Toronto street lights sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: William Muriithi | http://www.thestar.com/printarticle/767968 Thanks! I'm glad you brought this to our attention. The article does not mention anything about using the poles for siting WIFI access points. At the time I had thought that this was the real point of the deal. Siting access points could be hard and the poles could have been really valuable for this add-on application. Another monopoly for THES. As far as I've noticed (i.e. not at all), Toronto Hydro's plan for WI-FI coverage has not really caught on. Anybody know? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 22 14:55:30 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:55:30 -0500 Subject: OT: Toronto street lights sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:31 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: William Muriithi > > | http://www.thestar.com/printarticle/767968 > > Thanks! ?I'm glad you brought this to our attention. > > The article does not mention anything about using the poles for siting > WIFI access points. ?At the time I had thought that this was the real > point of the deal. > > Siting access points could be hard and the poles could have been > really valuable for this add-on application. ?Another monopoly for > THES. > > As far as I've noticed (i.e. not at all), Toronto Hydro's plan for > WI-FI coverage has not really caught on. ?Anybody know? Well, it is still in operation in part of downtown Toronto, but... Also, I see that OneZone is now being run by cable company Cogeco. Details to be seen here: http://www.onezone.ca/ It would have been nice to have a local ISP that wasn't tied to/using the cable or phone company infrastructure, if only to keep the above two honest... Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 22 15:07:01 2010 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:07:01 -0500 Subject: Canada on US "special 301" watch list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99a6c38f1002220707m54623986g1c6d6886ddf35ed5@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 10:42 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Canada is tentatively on the US Special 301 watch list as a copyright > violating country. > > Ars Technica and Geist point out a very nice submission to the USTR by the > US CCIA (computer company group). > > > > > > I found the 11 page submission quite readable and worthwhile. A couple days ago, a thread was started on the Pirate Parties International mailing list about how Free/Libre & Open Source software is being directly attacked by the 301 in Brazil. Yesterday, a short article was posted on Digital Copyright Canada which sums it up rather nicely: [the] IIPA would rather people "pirate" than switch to legal competitors. [snippet] The International Intellectual Property Alliance (IIPA) tipped their hand a bit in this years submission to the ?Special 301" report process. While they again attacked Canada for having strong copyright law that is different than the USA, the most telling was their opposition to policies encouraging legally free of charge Open Source in their submissions for Brazil, India, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, and Vietnam [/snippet] http://www.digital-copyright.ca/node/5115 The article links to the reports for each country. I haven't had the time to read them yet but what I heard from Brazil really ticks me off. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ @psema4 Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 22 15:08:23 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:08:23 -0500 Subject: OT: Toronto street lights sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B829DE7.4070904@rogers.com> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, William Muriithi wrote: > >> Seriously, its not that complicated. I would assume they were given >> the terms of how much it would cost them to have the streets lighted >> annually after the sale. At that point, it was just a matter of >> putting the two alternatives into their present value and it would >> have been apparent which of the two alternative was superior. How did >> they get it this wrong? Could I be blind to some facts that someone >> here may care to enlighten? > > I've seen apparently bizarre decisions made with computers such as > leasing the systems instead of buying them when it would clearly cost > more to lease them over the term of the lease. There are at least two > answers for this phenomenon: > > (1) Leasing comes from a different budget to purchasing. > (2) There are tax incentives for one decision over the other. > > Even if (1) is artificial (2) is a genuine consideration. After tax > adjustments may make the apparently bizarre decision actually fiscally > sound. It's also capital vs expense money. Also, if leased, then support is often included and you don't have to worry about disposal at end of service life. Another *BIG* benefit is all the "refurbs" on sale that are great for loading with Linux! ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 22 15:37:27 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:37:27 -0500 Subject: OT: Toronto street lights sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B82A4B7.2040005@dinamis.com> On 02/22/2010 09:55 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:31 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> As far as I've noticed (i.e. not at all), Toronto Hydro's plan for >> WI-FI coverage has not really caught on. Anybody know? > > Well, it is still in operation in part of downtown Toronto, but... > Also, I see that OneZone is now being run by cable company Cogeco. > Details to be seen here: > > http://www.onezone.ca/ > > It would have been nice to have a local ISP that wasn't tied to/using > the cable or phone company infrastructure, if only to keep the above > two honest... Cogeco bought all the Toronto Hydro Telecom fibre optic cable and THC data centre in Etobicoke, apparently. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 22 16:29:19 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:29:19 -0500 Subject: OT: Toronto street lights sale In-Reply-To: <4B829DE7.4070904-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B829DE7.4070904@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:08 AM, James Knott wrote: > Robert Brockway wrote: >> >> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, William Muriithi wrote: >> >>> Seriously, its not that complicated. I would assume they were given >>> the terms of how much it would cost them to have the streets lighted >>> annually after the sale. ?At that point, it was just a matter of >>> putting the two alternatives into their present value and it would >>> have been apparent which of the two alternative was superior. How did >>> they get it this wrong? Could I be blind to some facts that someone >>> here may care to enlighten? >> >> I've seen apparently bizarre decisions made with computers such as leasing >> the systems instead of buying them when it would clearly cost more to lease >> them over the term of the lease. ?There are at least two answers for this >> phenomenon: >> >> (1) Leasing comes from a different budget to purchasing. >> (2) There are tax incentives for one decision over the other. >> >> Even if (1) is artificial (2) is a genuine consideration. ? After tax >> adjustments may make the apparently bizarre decision actually fiscally >> sound. > > It's also capital vs expense money. ?Also, if leased, then support is often > included and ?you don't have to worry about disposal at end of service life. A non-zero issue may be that hiring city staff means accepting the financial burden of future rate increases there. If you watch TTC behaviour, some of the troubles are consistent with them being unwilling to add additional staff. If you're on a fixed budget, you can't afford to hire staff whose wages have a history of going up in ways that ignore the budget. Unfortunately, being consistently understaffed has consequences that eventually injures their funding, but that's another matter. It's possible that the city would consider the same kind of factor, and let it be Someone Else's Problem. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Joan Crawford - "I, Joan Crawford, I believe in the dollar. Everything I earn, I spend." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/joan_crawford.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 22 17:05:45 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:05:45 -0500 Subject: TaskWarrior now in Debian Message-ID: http://packages.debian.org/sid/main/task Congratulations to the team, including our own David Patrick! -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Samuel Goldwyn - "I don't think anyone should write their autobiography until after they're dead." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/samuel_goldwyn.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 22 17:41:09 2010 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:41:09 -0500 Subject: TaskWarrior now in Debian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B82C1B5.6090104@linuxcaffe.ca> Christopher Browne wrote: > http://packages.debian.org/sid/main/task > > Congratulations to the team, including our own David Patrick! It IS a big deal for the taskwarrior team, but Fredde from Sweden deserves all the credit. He is a model that other Free Software developers and packagers would do well to follow. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 22 17:58:34 2010 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:58:34 -0500 Subject: OT: Toronto street lights sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92ee967a1002220958h11609e67t924cf1030ec207a2@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:31 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: ... > As far as I've noticed (i.e. not at all), Toronto Hydro's plan for > WI-FI coverage has not really caught on. ?Anybody know? There were stories around the time of the creation of the One Zone that it was a side-effect of plans for smart-meters. What I dont understand is why they haven't expanded the service... I'm in the zone and the signal is so weak I can't use it. I called them about it and although they said they'd do something, it's been easily 9 months and nothing has happened. The whole thing seems half-hearted. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 22 18:29:35 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:29:35 -0500 Subject: OT: Toronto street lights sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100222182935.GF4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:14:59PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: > I got a small rant I need to share that has nothing to do with > technology, but since this is Toronto LUG, I think the sale of Toronto > street lights is something we can share about. I once mentioned this > deal here some years back but a recent article below had me thinking > about it again. > > http://www.thestar.com/printarticle/767968 > > After reading it, you will notice the deal was REALLY bad. To me, its > similar to an individual in a very serious debt going to a gang who > offer him/her money at a ridiculous interest rate and if he/she fail > to pay up, they came and break his/her legs. In short, a deal done > purely through emotion and no logic. > > Now, if this was an individual, it would be totally understandable. I > have seen people doing too many things that make no sense at all. If > you want an example of one such case, the article below will not > disappoint. > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8474611.stm > > Toronto city is a big organization that should have sharp people. > Seriously, its not that complicated. I would assume they were given > the terms of how much it would cost them to have the streets lighted > annually after the sale. At that point, it was just a matter of > putting the two alternatives into their present value and it would > have been apparent which of the two alternative was superior. How did > they get it this wrong? Could I be blind to some facts that someone > here may care to enlighten? > > Anyway, the good thing is Toronto hydro is owned by the city, so its > just moving money from one pocket to the other. I am doubtful though > they would have done a better job were they dealing with an external > entity. I am always puzzle why governments these days tend to be short > term minded. If they start working like private firms, where anything > after the next quarter does not count, we will have a really bleak > future Probably because the city is run the the same type of idiots as become CEOs of many companies. It is all about short term gains to give bonuses (or get reellected) and not about long term viability. So if the city of toronto owns toronto hydro, then they sold their lights to their own company and are paying money to their own company to manage them. I guess any profits would come back to the city in the end, so where is the problem? I don't get it. Given the city isn't allowed to run a defecit (unlike the province and the country), I guess using city owned companies is a way around it to deal with the budget potholes. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 22 19:02:43 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:02:43 -0500 Subject: OT: Toronto street lights sale In-Reply-To: <20100222182935.GF4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100222182935.GF4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Len Sorensen, > > So if the city of toronto owns toronto hydro, then they sold their > lights to their own company and are paying money to their own company to > manage them. ?I guess any profits would come back to the city in the end, > so where is the problem? ?I don't get it. Good question. I do not think it injure tax payers in any way. I was just puzzled why they were fighting against it being published. So I went out looking for Toronto Hydo ownership thinking its owned by friends of toronto city managers. When I realized its owned by the city, I felt a little lost. Something still is not right. For example, when Microsoft Corporation reports on its financial status, it en campuses all its subsidiaries. I do not think selling asset to Microsoft UK would change the books of the parent company. However, this is what happened with Toronto city and apparently, it make sense. Anyway, something are better left alone > > Given the city isn't allowed to run a defecit (unlike the province and > the country), I guess using city owned companies is a way around it to > deal with the budget potholes. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 22 20:22:15 2010 From: ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Ijaaz A. Ullah) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:22:15 -0500 Subject: WorldGaming is looking for a Sr. Linux System Administrator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Ijaaz A. Ullah wrote: > I've posted this to the classified section on the wiki, but I figured > that it'd hit more people this way. > > WorldGaming (www.worldgaming.com) ?is a social networking site for > console video gamers. > > (Xbox, PS3, etc) to meet one-another, talk smack, schedule games, and > participate in head-to-head games and multi-player tournaments for > pride, cash and prizes. ?We are a Toronto based startup, with a > growing community in North America and Europe, and expansion plans > into Central and South America and Asia. ?We are looking for a > seasoned Linux Administrator to join our team and help us continue to > mature and grow our environments. > > At WorldGaming you will work with other smart, passionate, > collaborative and fun people who share your passion for technology. > > As the Linux Administrator you will be responsible for day to day > management of the WorldGaming systems (production, staging, QA, > development and corporate IT) . This includes Linux Servers (CentOS), > Load Balancers, NAS, switches, routers and firewall gear. ?The > software stack includes Apache, Tomcat, PostgreSQL and Terracotta. > You?ll work on clustering and HA solutions, performance tuning, > 24x7x365 (or x366 during a leap year) systems in a b2c space. > > Requirements: > > - Must have enterprise hands-on experience building, configuring and > maintaining a high-availability enterprise Linux environment utilizing > Apache, Tomcat, SSL and load balancing > - Knowledge of networking architectures and protocols and > troubleshooting tools, ethereal, Wireshark, etc > - Network and system performance tuning > - Comfortable running cables, racking/building servers, and > troubleshooting hardware issues. > - Experience managing network devices including switches, routers, > firewalls, VPNs, load balancers, etc > - Has implemented Bcfg2, Cfengine or puppet in a production environment > - Familiar with VMware/Xen virtulization > - Configured Postfix/Sendmail in HA environment. > - Familiar with Bugzilla, SVN, Nagios, Cacti, shell scripting, LDAP > and Kerberos. ?We are open source friendly. > - Experience with databases, namely PostgreSQL > - Participate in the on-call rotation for after hours incident resolution > - 5+ years of progressive experience in system administration in a > distributed Unix/Linux environment > - RHCE would be an asset > - A College diploma or University degree or relevant job experience in > computer science or engineering Just an update to this posting, we've signed a new lease at a larger office space. So, we're moving from mid town (Yonge/York Mills) to King St. West (King/Bathurst). If you're interested, send your resume to jobs-92JtoIHL8UDwvR0lvYjcXw at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 22 22:37:40 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:37:40 -0800 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <20100219220537.GE4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> <20100219220537.GE4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 01:48:15PM -0800, Thomas Milne wrote: >> Sitting at the machine now. In the sound prefs (the speaker icon in >> the panel) it does show the sound card and even will show what >> application is using it and so on, but still no sound. I'm not sure >> what to check to see if the correct 'profile' is being used, but >> nothing appears to be muted anywhere. >> >> I'm not sure how to see if the daemon is running, it doesn't respond >> the way I'm used to: > > Well run alsamixer, and check that master and front are turned up and > not muted. ?intel hda that I have seen tend to have a front slider that > has to be turned up to work. > Checked that now, and still no sound after maxing everything. I've tried every available jack as well, even the microphone jack, nothing. This is very frustrating. Everything appears normal as far as what Ubuntu is showing. Even the sound prefs will show the applications playing sound and what plugin they're using. I've tried changing all kinds of settings in the sound prefs, from duplex to normal to headphone to etc etc. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 22 22:54:00 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:54:00 -0800 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1002191600s5918a10cvf61126faa0e44f95-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1002191600s5918a10cvf61126faa0e44f95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Modern pulseaudio behavior is to run a "session" when you login to X. > ?/etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio > > The /etc/init.d/ one doesn't do anything unless you do a bunch of > reconfiguration to use system-wide pulse, which actually tends to > cause more issues rather than less. > > To see if you're already got a pulse session, try: > ?pulseaudio --check && echo OK > scribe at scribe14:~$ pulseaudio --check && echo OK OK > To kill one (although I think gnome respawns them) > ?pulseaudio -k > > It looks like ALSA did find your card, try "aplay -l" to list it from alsa. > > scribe at scribe14:~$ aplay -l **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 0: AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog] Subdevices: 0/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 1: AD198x Digital [AD198x Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > Another problem may be that though your card is intel-HDA compatible, > there are actually a whole whackload of sub-models that your specific > chipset might fall under. Check for funky entries under: > ?/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf > ?/etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.conf > Perhaps this is the problem, because I have no such file as /etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.conf: scribe at scribe14:~$ ls -l /etc/modprobe.d/ total 32 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2497 2009-10-11 15:07 alsa-base.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 325 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist-ath_pci.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1603 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 213 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist-firewire.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 662 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist-framebuffer.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 156 2009-10-11 15:07 blacklist-modem.conf lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 41 2009-11-20 13:15 blacklist-oss.conf -> /lib/linux-sound-base/noOSS.modprobe.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1077 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist-watchdog.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16 2009-08-26 02:49 libpisock9.conf > The second one will have model-specific info. If the model is wrong, > your sound won't work. For example I have: > ?options snd-hda-intel model=m51va > > Other options can be: > ?options snd-hda-intel model=realtek > ?options snd-hda-intel model=m51va > ?options snd-hda-intel model=6stack > ?options snd-hda-intel model=3stack > ?options snd-hda-intel model=acer > ?etc etc > > You'd have to rmmod and them modprobe the driver (snd_hda_intel) to > try new ones after editing the config, or stop/start ALSA, or reboot. So, what if I don't even have that file? Sorry, I'm in a little over my depth here :-\ > I think the Nvidia one might be realtek based? I'd have to check my > other machine which has an Nvidia chipset and get back to you on that > for the params that worked on that one... If you have a sample file I could try to copy from, that would be great! Many thanks for the tips :-) > > > > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> Sitting at the machine now. In the sound prefs (the speaker icon in >> the panel) it does show the sound card and even will show what >> application is using it and so on, but still no sound. I'm not sure >> what to check to see if the correct 'profile' is being used, but >> nothing appears to be muted anywhere. >> >> I'm not sure how to see if the daemon is running, it doesn't respond >> the way I'm used to: >> >> scribe at scribe14:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart >> [sudo] password for scribe: >> ?* PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions >> scribe at scribe14:~$ pulseaudio >> E: socket-server.c: bind(): Address already in use >> E: module.c: Failed to load ?module "module-esound-protocol-unix" >> (argument: ""): initialization failed. >> E: main.c: Module load failed. >> E: main.c: Failed to initialize daemon. >> scribe at scribe14:~$ pulse-session >> E: main.c: Daemon startup failed. >> >> That could be because it's already running, though, no? >> >> There was no .asoundrc file to nuke. >> >> Thanks! >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >>> I found a couple things when updating to karmic on various machines >>> that could case this: >>> ?- Gnome/pulse found a different "default" soundcard than what they should have >>> ?- PA set the volume to nothing in the sound panel mixer, or turned on mute >>> ?- Wrong "profile" in the hardware settings of the sound prefs >>> >>> If you have a .asoundrc file in your homedir you may need to nuke that too >>> >>> Are you seeing your soundcard? Is the pulseaudio daemon loading? >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Thomas Milne >>> wrote: >>>> Ha! So it finally got to me. So far on my home machine it's been no >>>> problem, so I've been wondering why everyone hates Pulse so much. >>>> >>>> Until now. At work we upgraded all the machines to Karmic Koala and >>>> now a lot of them have no sound. If you saw how we do our jobs, you >>>> would understand what a horrifying thing this is ;) >>>> >>>> Anyhow, I remember some threads on here a while ago about fixing this >>>> by using good 'ol OSS, but as these are work computers I thought I >>>> would ask before I start trying some of the solutions. Is this really >>>> the tried and true method? >>>> >>>> I also found this link. Anyone else solve it like this? >>>> >>>> http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395089 >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> TBM >>>> -- >>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tyler Aviss >>> Systems Support >>> LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA >>> >>> ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that >>> is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> TBM >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA > > ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that > is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 22 23:15:13 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:15:13 -0800 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1002191600s5918a10cvf61126faa0e44f95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> Modern pulseaudio behavior is to run a "session" when you login to X. >> ?/etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio >> >> The /etc/init.d/ one doesn't do anything unless you do a bunch of >> reconfiguration to use system-wide pulse, which actually tends to >> cause more issues rather than less. >> >> To see if you're already got a pulse session, try: >> ?pulseaudio --check && echo OK >> > > scribe at scribe14:~$ pulseaudio --check && echo OK > OK > >> To kill one (although I think gnome respawns them) >> ?pulseaudio -k >> >> It looks like ALSA did find your card, try "aplay -l" to list it from alsa. >> >> > scribe at scribe14:~$ aplay -l > **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 0: AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog] > ?Subdevices: 0/1 > ?Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 1: AD198x Digital [AD198x Digital] > ?Subdevices: 1/1 > ?Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > > >> Another problem may be that though your card is intel-HDA compatible, >> there are actually a whole whackload of sub-models that your specific >> chipset might fall under. Check for funky entries under: >> ?/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf >> ?/etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.conf >> > > Perhaps this is the problem, because I have no such file as > /etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.conf: Actually, I've checked on a couple of the systems here that have sound, and they don't have this file either. Is the configuration stored somewhere else now? > scribe at scribe14:~$ ls -l /etc/modprobe.d/ > total 32 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2497 2009-10-11 15:07 alsa-base.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root ?325 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist-ath_pci.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1603 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root ?213 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist-firewire.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root ?662 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist-framebuffer.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root ?156 2009-10-11 15:07 blacklist-modem.conf > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root ? 41 2009-11-20 13:15 blacklist-oss.conf -> > /lib/linux-sound-base/noOSS.modprobe.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1077 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist-watchdog.conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root ? 16 2009-08-26 02:49 libpisock9.conf > >> The second one will have model-specific info. If the model is wrong, >> your sound won't work. For example I have: >> ?options snd-hda-intel model=m51va >> >> Other options can be: >> ?options snd-hda-intel model=realtek >> ?options snd-hda-intel model=m51va >> ?options snd-hda-intel model=6stack >> ?options snd-hda-intel model=3stack >> ?options snd-hda-intel model=acer >> ?etc etc >> >> You'd have to rmmod and them modprobe the driver (snd_hda_intel) to >> try new ones after editing the config, or stop/start ALSA, or reboot. > > So, what if I don't even have that file? Sorry, I'm in a little over > my depth here :-\ > >> I think the Nvidia one might be realtek based? I'd have to check my >> other machine which has an Nvidia chipset and get back to you on that >> for the params that worked on that one... > > If you have a sample file I could try to copy from, that would be > great! Many thanks for the tips :-) > >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Thomas Milne >> wrote: >>> Sitting at the machine now. In the sound prefs (the speaker icon in >>> the panel) it does show the sound card and even will show what >>> application is using it and so on, but still no sound. I'm not sure >>> what to check to see if the correct 'profile' is being used, but >>> nothing appears to be muted anywhere. >>> >>> I'm not sure how to see if the daemon is running, it doesn't respond >>> the way I'm used to: >>> >>> scribe at scribe14:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart >>> [sudo] password for scribe: >>> ?* PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions >>> scribe at scribe14:~$ pulseaudio >>> E: socket-server.c: bind(): Address already in use >>> E: module.c: Failed to load ?module "module-esound-protocol-unix" >>> (argument: ""): initialization failed. >>> E: main.c: Module load failed. >>> E: main.c: Failed to initialize daemon. >>> scribe at scribe14:~$ pulse-session >>> E: main.c: Daemon startup failed. >>> >>> That could be because it's already running, though, no? >>> >>> There was no .asoundrc file to nuke. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >>>> I found a couple things when updating to karmic on various machines >>>> that could case this: >>>> ?- Gnome/pulse found a different "default" soundcard than what they should have >>>> ?- PA set the volume to nothing in the sound panel mixer, or turned on mute >>>> ?- Wrong "profile" in the hardware settings of the sound prefs >>>> >>>> If you have a .asoundrc file in your homedir you may need to nuke that too >>>> >>>> Are you seeing your soundcard? Is the pulseaudio daemon loading? >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Thomas Milne >>>> wrote: >>>>> Ha! So it finally got to me. So far on my home machine it's been no >>>>> problem, so I've been wondering why everyone hates Pulse so much. >>>>> >>>>> Until now. At work we upgraded all the machines to Karmic Koala and >>>>> now a lot of them have no sound. If you saw how we do our jobs, you >>>>> would understand what a horrifying thing this is ;) >>>>> >>>>> Anyhow, I remember some threads on here a while ago about fixing this >>>>> by using good 'ol OSS, but as these are work computers I thought I >>>>> would ask before I start trying some of the solutions. Is this really >>>>> the tried and true method? >>>>> >>>>> I also found this link. Anyone else solve it like this? >>>>> >>>>> http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395089 >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> TBM >>>>> -- >>>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tyler Aviss >>>> Systems Support >>>> LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA >>>> >>>> ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that >>>> is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu >>>> -- >>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> TBM >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tyler Aviss >> Systems Support >> LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA >> >> ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that >> is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > TBM > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 23 12:29:33 2010 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:29:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: WorldGaming is looking for a Sr. Linux System Administrator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <318126.86020.qm@web65604.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Ijaaz A. Ullah wrote: > From: Ijaaz A. Ullah > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: WorldGaming is looking for a Sr. Linux System Administrator > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Monday, February 22, 2010, 3:22 PM > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:06 PM, > Ijaaz A. Ullah > > wrote: > > I've posted this to the classified section on the > wiki, but I figured > > that it'd hit more people this way. > > > > WorldGaming (www.worldgaming.com) is a social > networking site for > > console video gamers. > > > > (Xbox, PS3, etc) to meet one-another, talk smack, > schedule games, and > > participate in head-to-head games and multi-player > tournaments for > > pride, cash and prizes. We are a Toronto based > startup, with a > > growing community in North America and Europe, and > expansion plans > > into Central and South America and Asia. We are > looking for a > > seasoned Linux Administrator to join our team and help > us continue to > > mature and grow our environments. > > > > At WorldGaming you will work with other smart, > passionate, > > collaborative and fun people who share your passion > for technology. > > > > As the Linux Administrator you will be responsible for > day to day > > management of the WorldGaming systems (production, > staging, QA, > > development and corporate IT) . This includes Linux > Servers (CentOS), > > Load Balancers, NAS, switches, routers and firewall > gear. The > > software stack includes Apache, Tomcat, PostgreSQL and > Terracotta. > > You?ll work on clustering and HA solutions, > performance tuning, > > 24x7x365 (or x366 during a leap year) systems in a b2c > space. > > > > Requirements: > > > > - Must have enterprise hands-on experience building, > configuring and > > maintaining a high-availability enterprise Linux > environment utilizing > > Apache, Tomcat, SSL and load balancing > > - Knowledge of networking architectures and protocols > and > > troubleshooting tools, ethereal, Wireshark, etc > > - Network and system performance tuning > > - Comfortable running cables, racking/building > servers, and > > troubleshooting hardware issues. > > - Experience managing network devices including > switches, routers, > > firewalls, VPNs, load balancers, etc > > - Has implemented Bcfg2, Cfengine or puppet in a > production environment > > - Familiar with VMware/Xen virtulization > > - Configured Postfix/Sendmail in HA environment. > > - Familiar with Bugzilla, SVN, Nagios, Cacti, shell > scripting, LDAP > > and Kerberos. We are open source friendly. > > - Experience with databases, namely PostgreSQL > > - Participate in the on-call rotation for after hours > incident resolution > > - 5+ years of progressive experience in system > administration in a > > distributed Unix/Linux environment > > - RHCE would be an asset > > - A College diploma or University degree or relevant > job experience in > > computer science or engineering > > Just an update to this posting, we've signed a new lease at > a larger > office space. So, we're moving from mid town > (Yonge/York Mills) to > King St. West (King/Bathurst). > > If you're interested, send your resume to jobs-92JtoIHL8UDwvR0lvYjcXw at public.gmane.org I did send. Thanks, EK > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 23 12:47:29 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:47:29 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a spare monitor? In-Reply-To: <20100215172334.GA14468-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100215172334.GA14468@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20100223124729.GA21268@yam.witteman.ca> Thanks to all who responded. My cousin was able to connect with a TLUGger and get a replacement monitor. I was hoping that someone who have a spare they didn't need - I had no idea I would see so many offers. Thanks again. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 24 15:16:34 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:16:34 -0500 Subject: job schedulling In-Reply-To: <4B853FBD.5030103-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <4B853FBD.5030103@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8881002240716v5d4db797l8b62c5e6c078a902@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jose, I think it depends what features you need. There are different scheduler programs called cron and at. I think there are different cron servers available, the one I'm familiar with is vixie-cron. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Jose wrote: > Hi list > > Just a quick question, does anybody has a job scheduler software running for > multiplatforms?, we have one IBM from the Tivoli family but is expensive, is > anything comparable in Linux? > > Thanks for your advice > > Jose > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 24 15:36:12 2010 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:36:12 -0500 Subject: job schedulling In-Reply-To: <32f6a8881002240716v5d4db797l8b62c5e6c078a902-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B853FBD.5030103@totaltravelmarketing.com> <32f6a8881002240716v5d4db797l8b62c5e6c078a902@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B85476C.1010706@totaltravelmarketing.com> Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi Jose, > > I think it depends what features you need. There are different > scheduler programs called cron and at. I think there are different > cron servers available, the one I'm familiar with is vixie-cron. > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Jose wrote: >> Hi list >> >> Just a quick question, does anybody has a job scheduler software running for >> multiplatforms?, we have one IBM from the Tivoli family but is expensive, is >> anything comparable in Linux? >> >> Thanks for your advice >> >> Jose >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > Hi Thanks for your response. I am looking for something that would communicate with different OSes, like Solaris and HP-UX or Windows (Gulp), and maintain a chain of events, like if this job runs or not the dependent jobs would continue or not, something like that. Jose -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From brian.carlile-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 24 16:03:04 2010 From: brian.carlile-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Brian Carlile) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:03:04 -0500 Subject: Rogers ZTE MF668 3G Rocket Stick Solution Message-ID: <4B854DB8.8070807@primus.ca> Hi all, I just wanted to say hello as a new reader of the TLUG mailing list and share something that may be of use to others in the GTA. A friend, for whom I had set up an MSI Wind U100 to use Unbuntu 9.04, asked me for help getting his new Rogers Rocket Stick to work. Of course, the sales guy had assured him that he just had to plug it in and of course it would work under "what was that?" Linux. My friend is totally sold on his Linux netbook but really needs the 3G connection so this rapidly became a bit of a crusade. First and obvious routes - there is no manufacturer support and nothing online that I could find from Rogers. The device itself is the ZTE MF668. It has a small amount of memory which is used to store an installation image for Windoze, so when plugged in to a M$ machine it manifests itself as a USB CD drive. The install process helps to lock in the Rogers only impression and configures the modem. There is a microSD slot (similar to most smart phones) which can be a useful adjunct to the stick. So we have a multifunction device and the issue is to get the OS to recognise it primarily as a USB broadband modem and possibly as a memory stick. There was a lot of rather confusing advice on the net about this sort of thing and I had the luxury of two very similar netbooks to work out the answer. I followed a number of promising routes and did get the thing up and running but not in a consistent manner that would be reassuring to a non-techie. (I wanted to avoid a crib sheet and command line instructions) What I detail below worked perfectly on the test machine and then was repeatable on the "clean"machine. The Rocket Stick is identified properly when plugged in and unmounts the modem element automatically when unplugged. The memory card element auto mounts and can be unmounted as one would expect. I wrote up these notes referring specifically to Ubuntu 9.04 but I suspect they will be of some value for other versions and distros. My sincere thanks to the guys at http://www.draisberghof.de and http://www.greenhughes.com. Best wishes to all Brian Carlile > How to set up Rogers ZTE MF668 Rocket Mobile Internet Stick in Ubuntu 9.04 > > Overview. > > There's a lot of helpful but confusing advice floating about (and of > course none of it comes from Rogers) > but after a lot of careful experimentation this may be the simplest > effective solution. > > The ZTE MF668 (Rogers' current offering) is a twofold device. In > Windoze it presents as a USB CD drive and "auto" > installs the software from the small amount of built in memory. It > then appears as a modem controlled by the Rogers software and as a USB > microSD card if an optional > memory card is inserted in the stick. The same functions are available > in Ubuntu, of course. The autorun function may or may work. > If it does (if you already have Wine running, for example) just cancel > any attempt to install and unmount the "CD" drive. > > To be sure that the hardware is recognised type "lsusb" (without the > quotes) into a Terminal. (should give a result "19d2:2000") > That's just the hardware as a whole - remember it is a two part > device; microSD and modem. > We need to sort out usb_modeswitch and patch a config file to > accommodate our specific hardware. > > Method: > > Be sure you are running the latest kernel fully updated. This how-to > works with 2.6.28-18-generic. > > 1. Plug in the Rocket Stick. In a terminal, type > > lsusb > > One of the entries should read 19d2:2000 (this means that the Vendor > code is (hex) 0x19d2 and the product ID from that vendor is (hex) 0x2000 > > You then know that the Rocket Stick is recognized. (However the target > ID for the modem element is 0x0017 not 0x2000) > > ******************************** > > Choose approach a) or b) now. > > > 2. a) Install usb_modeswitch. Get it here: > http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ > > [Even if you opt for the b) option here I would recommend reading > through this webpage for a good background to the issues involved.] > > or > > 2. b) Download it from: > http://www.greenhughes.com/content/zte-mf627-easy-way > > [Read through all the directions and follow the process, from the > linked pages, of adding source and key to your Software Sources > repository). Using this method avoids compiling from source by hand. > (You will modify the mf627 config file in step 3] > > Notes: Check that you have done the following. > Download and save the key file. > Add the [deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/liamgh/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main] > to Third Party Software Sources > Add the [deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/liamgh/ppa/ubuntu jaunty > main] to Third Party Software Sources > Import the Key on the Authentication tab > The sources will be updated > run "sudo apt-get install zte-mf627-switch" in a terminal > > > 3. a) In terminal, type sudo gedit /etc/usb_modeswitch.conf > > This will bring up the editor. Replace the contents of the file with > the following (do not include the ----- ): (this info is from > http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswit ? =1895#1895 ) > > ---------------- > DefaultVendor=0x19d2 > DefaultProduct=0x2000 > > TargetVendor=0x19d2 > TargetProduct=0x0017 > > MessageContent="55534243123456782000000080000c85010101180101010101000000000000" > --------------- > > 3. b) If you used the version from www.greenhughes.com, in a terminal > type > sudo gedit /etc/usb_modeswitch_zte_mf627.conf > > edit to look like this (my working config file) > > ######################################################## > # ZTE MF628+ (tested version from Telia / Sweden) > # > # Contributor: Joakim Wennergren > # > # Also applies to MF627 (Tested 3 UK) JF > # > # Also applies to MF668 (Rogers Canada) > > DefaultVendor=0x19d2 > DefaultProduct=0x2000 > > TargetVendor=0x19d2 > TargetProduct=0x0017 > > MessageContent="55534243123456782000000080000c85010101180101010101000000000000" > > > 4. (may not be necessary) Reboot with the Rocket Stick plugged in and > it will appear in the Network Manager > Double check by typing in the terminal "lsusb" and you should see > 19d2:0017 > > This means that the Rocket Stick is recognised as a modem. > > TO CREATE A CONNECTION > > If you have not yet created a profile connection: > > Go to Network Manager > Edit Connections > Mobile Broadband > Add > Select Country: Canada > Select Provider: Rogers > and you're good to go. > > Having two Rogers Mobile Broadband connections in the Network Manager > seems to be normal. If you end up with four, i.e. two sets of entries > just connect and disconnect to and from > the internet and delete the version that has not been used when you > recheck the Network Manager settings for Mobile Broadband. > > > This process has been tested on two different MSI Wind U100s with > Ubuntu 9.04. Connect and Disconnect appear to work correctly and > simply. When the modem is unplugged it disappears as an option in the > Network Manager > > > > Last edited (2010-02-23 23:56) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 24 16:13:37 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:13:37 -0500 Subject: job schedulling In-Reply-To: <4B853FBD.5030103-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <4B853FBD.5030103@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Jose wrote: > Just a quick question, does anybody has a job scheduler software running for > multiplatforms?, we have one IBM from the Tivoli family but is expensive, is > anything comparable in Linux? Tivoli is available on Linux; very expensive, as you note. Here's a big long list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_scheduler Here's a "technology review" apparently done at Microsoft a few years ago. They were trying to figure out what to add to Windows to make it a more salable platform for this sort of thing. Here's a somewhat aged (but still seemingly pretty relevant) article from SunWorld: http://sunsite.uakom.sk/sunworldonline/swol-07-1998/swol-07-scheduling.html "Regrettably, native Unix job scheduling is pathetic." Which I'd agree with. Options I looked at seriously a couple years ago were: - DollarUniverse from OrSyp - Tidal Enterprise Scheduler Freely available options I've seen that are *faintly* plausible include: - Berlin Open Source Job Scheduler I didn't much like it. - GnuBatch The most successful thing I've actually deployed, thus far, has been a set of scripts that would allow the gentle user to better manage cron. a) Put lists of desired cron jobs into files on a central server; b) cfengine then pulls those files out "into the field" c) script on each server rummages thru those files, deciding which are applicable, assembling new crontab proposal d) dump the old crontab; load the new one e) if old != now, then copy the old one, timestamped, into an archive directory This gave a pretty decent "audit trail" of what was running where, when, and was about as much as the database services group needed; they were after regularity of things running, moreso than having precise jobs running at precise times, possibly in relation to other jobs. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Stephen Leacock - "I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I shall some day die, which is not so." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 24 16:20:59 2010 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:20:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: job schedulling In-Reply-To: <4B85476C.1010706-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <4B853FBD.5030103@totaltravelmarketing.com> <32f6a8881002240716v5d4db797l8b62c5e6c078a902@mail.gmail.com> <4B85476C.1010706@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Feb 2010, Jose wrote: > I am looking for something that would communicate with > different OSes, like Solaris and HP-UX or Windows (Gulp), and > maintain a chain of events, like if this job runs or not the > dependent jobs would continue or not, something like that. Distributed job scheduler that works with M$ Windows, that smell money. :-) In my previous job they use CA Autosys, it does what you described. Not sure how much, though. But looking to Wikipedia a bit, there are several open source solution you may want to take a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Job_Scheduler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORQUE_Resource_Manager http://www.taskforest.com/ More job schedulers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_scheduler#Implementations -- ____ ____ ____ ____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo /___ /___/ /___/ /___ http://www.arifsaha.com/ ____/ / / / ____/ ** Xinnian Kuaile! ???? Gongxi Facai! ???? ** From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 24 16:23:22 2010 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:23:22 -0500 Subject: Soundblaster - was Re:turn up volume on soundcard software In-Reply-To: <20100219153605.GZ4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8881002171130p75b9ddbclcc7d0d723c13a4bf@mail.gmail.com> <4B7D9F7F.4050404@chrisaitken.net> <20100218203623.GW4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <201002181849.06267.amarjan@pobox.com> <20100219153605.GZ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100224162322.GA7609@gondolin.home.marjan.ca> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:36:05AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 06:49:05PM -0500, Andrej Marjan wrote: > > On February 18, 2010 03:36:23 pm you wrote: > > > True. Of course on my sb live, going above about 80% causes clipping > > > (someone did a stupid design apparently). That's rather unusual though. > > Going off on a tangent, I have an Audigy 2 which is quite nice and has a > > fantastic DAC on it and I have it connected to an old analog receiver that > > acts as an amplifier. > > Under Windows XP, it's also very loud. Under everything else (including newer > > Windowses), it's a lot quieter. I have to turn up the volume on the receiver > > considerably to get the same output. Of course that introduces noise from the > > receiver. > > I don't suppose anyone here knows of a way to boost its output under Alsa to > > something comparable to the Windows XP setting? I haven't been able to find > > anything too useful myself. > Perhaps the audigy has the same clipping issue and crative did something > about it by making the drivers use a sane limit. :) > Or maybe it's just one of the dozens of sliders that is set wrong. > The emu chips have so many options after all. No clipping, the Audigy 1/2 were done right (the 2 has a better DAC than the 1). You can output at 100% with less distortion than my receiver introduces. :) For the record: something has improved over the last year and the Audigy 2 is now much louder under Alsa. I did a new OS install in November (openSUSE 11.2, kernel 2.6.31.12) and since Everything Worked, I forgot to check the Alsa mixer settings. Boosting Master and PCM to 100% gives it a sane output level for the first time ever. Those are the only two sliders that made a difference. It's still not quite as loud as it was under XP, however, but it's more than enough. Thanks to you and to Fabio for prompting me to check the settings! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 24 16:25:03 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:25:03 -0500 Subject: Rogers ZTE MF668 3G Rocket Stick Solution In-Reply-To: <4B854DB8.8070807-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B854DB8.8070807@primus.ca> Message-ID: <20100224162503.GB13420@yam.witteman.ca> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:03:04AM -0500, Brian Carlile wrote: > >I just wanted to say hello as a new reader of the TLUG mailing list >and share something that may be of use to others in the GTA. I have no current need of this, but I am hugely appreciative of your posting it. This is why I use free software - it creates communities of people helping each other, rather than shackling everyone to a single supplier trying to maintain a restrictive monoculture. Thanks again. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 24 21:23:48 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:23:48 -0500 Subject: On-line Linux Courses... Message-ID: I was talking to a person who heads up a local not-for-profit who is looking for on-line basic to intermediate Linux system administration courses. The not for profit is currently using Ubuntu as a cost saving measure... Anyone know of what is good / bad out there in terms of courses? Thanks. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jad-V3Qe//ktpHnR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 25 03:33:39 2010 From: jad-V3Qe//ktpHnR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (Jose A. Dias) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:33:39 -0500 Subject: job schedulling References: <4B853FBD.5030103@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <08795C772787354E914917175F550330737BC7@skarloey.diaslan.net> > Hi list Hi Jose. > Just a quick question, does anybody has a job scheduler software running > for multiplatforms?, we have one IBM from the Tivoli family but is > expensive, is anything comparable in Linux? Take a look at Vinzant: http://www.vinzantsoftware.com/ These are the OS platforms supported for the Agents: Operating Systems: Windows Linux on Intel Linux on AMD 64 Tru64 Unixware (SCO) HPUX on PA-Risc (HP9000) HPUX on IA64 Solaris on Intel Solaris on Sparc AIX Irix Netware (NLM) DOS FreeBSD MPE/iX OS400 The front end must be Windows But that's a small price to pay... Speaking of price I have no idea. > Thanks for your advice You're welcome. Drop me a line if you have questions. > Jose > -- -- Jose Dias jose "dot" dias "at" DiasLan "dot" net -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andrew-vUgxaBqSMS7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 25 06:22:50 2010 From: andrew-vUgxaBqSMS7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Andrew Heagle) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:22:50 -0500 Subject: job schedulling In-Reply-To: References: <4B853FBD.5030103@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <201002250122.50450.andrew@logaan.com> On Wednesday 24 February 2010 11:13:37 Christopher Browne wrote: > - DollarUniverse from OrSyp Its spelt $Universe -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 25 16:34:04 2010 From: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:34:04 -0500 Subject: Lone Coder: The Facebook Generation Message-ID: <1267115644.10904.2.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> My latest article, not really Linux related this month. KB --- "...Several acquaintances suggested that I didn't give Facebook a fair chance. I created a Facebook account as an experiment to examine Facebook more closely. However, I wanted to use my account effectively. In "Capitalism: A Love Story", Michael Moore asked what our society will be remembered for. He suggested videos of cats flushing toilets, an example of how North Americans didn't recognize value and wasted their opportunities. I didn't want to waste my opportunities so I considered the needs of readers and chose a set of rules for how I would use Facebook..." http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder/coder_february_2010.html -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Blog: http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 25 17:10:27 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:10:27 -0800 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1002191600s5918a10cvf61126faa0e44f95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef1002250910w21b8ded0n1cfeedd351c0d351@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >>> Modern pulseaudio behavior is to run a "session" when you login to X. >>> ?/etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio >>> >>> The /etc/init.d/ one doesn't do anything unless you do a bunch of >>> reconfiguration to use system-wide pulse, which actually tends to >>> cause more issues rather than less. >>> >>> To see if you're already got a pulse session, try: >>> ?pulseaudio --check && echo OK >>> >> >> scribe at scribe14:~$ pulseaudio --check && echo OK >> OK >> >>> To kill one (although I think gnome respawns them) >>> ?pulseaudio -k >>> >>> It looks like ALSA did find your card, try "aplay -l" to list it from alsa. >>> >>> >> scribe at scribe14:~$ aplay -l >> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** >> card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 0: AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog] >> ?Subdevices: 0/1 >> ?Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 >> card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 1: AD198x Digital [AD198x Digital] >> ?Subdevices: 1/1 >> ?Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 >> >> >>> Another problem may be that though your card is intel-HDA compatible, >>> there are actually a whole whackload of sub-models that your specific >>> chipset might fall under. Check for funky entries under: >>> ?/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf >>> ?/etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.conf >>> >> >> Perhaps this is the problem, because I have no such file as >> /etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.conf: > > Actually, I've checked on a couple of the systems here that have > sound, and they don't have this file either. Is the configuration > stored somewhere else now? > >> scribe at scribe14:~$ ls -l /etc/modprobe.d/ >> total 32 >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2497 2009-10-11 15:07 alsa-base.conf >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root ?325 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist-ath_pci.conf >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1603 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist.conf >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root ?213 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist-firewire.conf >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root ?662 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist-framebuffer.conf >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root ?156 2009-10-11 15:07 blacklist-modem.conf >> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root ? 41 2009-11-20 13:15 blacklist-oss.conf -> >> /lib/linux-sound-base/noOSS.modprobe.conf >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1077 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist-watchdog.conf >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root ? 16 2009-08-26 02:49 libpisock9.conf >> >>> The second one will have model-specific info. If the model is wrong, >>> your sound won't work. For example I have: >>> ?options snd-hda-intel model=m51va >>> >>> Other options can be: >>> ?options snd-hda-intel model=realtek >>> ?options snd-hda-intel model=m51va >>> ?options snd-hda-intel model=6stack >>> ?options snd-hda-intel model=3stack >>> ?options snd-hda-intel model=acer >>> ?etc etc >>> >>> You'd have to rmmod and them modprobe the driver (snd_hda_intel) to >>> try new ones after editing the config, or stop/start ALSA, or reboot. >> >> So, what if I don't even have that file? Sorry, I'm in a little over >> my depth here :-\ >> >>> I think the Nvidia one might be realtek based? I'd have to check my >>> other machine which has an Nvidia chipset and get back to you on that >>> for the params that worked on that one... >> >> If you have a sample file I could try to copy from, that would be >> great! Many thanks for the tips :-) >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Thomas Milne >>> wrote: >>>> Sitting at the machine now. In the sound prefs (the speaker icon in >>>> the panel) it does show the sound card and even will show what >>>> application is using it and so on, but still no sound. I'm not sure >>>> what to check to see if the correct 'profile' is being used, but >>>> nothing appears to be muted anywhere. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure how to see if the daemon is running, it doesn't respond >>>> the way I'm used to: >>>> >>>> scribe at scribe14:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart >>>> [sudo] password for scribe: >>>> ?* PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions >>>> scribe at scribe14:~$ pulseaudio >>>> E: socket-server.c: bind(): Address already in use >>>> E: module.c: Failed to load ?module "module-esound-protocol-unix" >>>> (argument: ""): initialization failed. >>>> E: main.c: Module load failed. >>>> E: main.c: Failed to initialize daemon. >>>> scribe at scribe14:~$ pulse-session >>>> E: main.c: Daemon startup failed. >>>> >>>> That could be because it's already running, though, no? >>>> >>>> There was no .asoundrc file to nuke. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >>>>> I found a couple things when updating to karmic on various machines >>>>> that could case this: >>>>> ?- Gnome/pulse found a different "default" soundcard than what they should have >>>>> ?- PA set the volume to nothing in the sound panel mixer, or turned on mute >>>>> ?- Wrong "profile" in the hardware settings of the sound prefs >>>>> >>>>> If you have a .asoundrc file in your homedir you may need to nuke that too >>>>> >>>>> Are you seeing your soundcard? Is the pulseaudio daemon loading? >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Thomas Milne >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Ha! So it finally got to me. So far on my home machine it's been no >>>>>> problem, so I've been wondering why everyone hates Pulse so much. >>>>>> >>>>>> Until now. At work we upgraded all the machines to Karmic Koala and >>>>>> now a lot of them have no sound. If you saw how we do our jobs, you >>>>>> would understand what a horrifying thing this is ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyhow, I remember some threads on here a while ago about fixing this >>>>>> by using good 'ol OSS, but as these are work computers I thought I >>>>>> would ask before I start trying some of the solutions. Is this really >>>>>> the tried and true method? >>>>>> >>>>>> I also found this link. Anyone else solve it like this? >>>>>> >>>>>> http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395089 >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> TBM >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tyler Aviss >>>>> Systems Support >>>>> LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA >>>>> >>>>> ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that >>>>> is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu >>>>> -- >>>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> TBM >>>> -- >>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tyler Aviss >>> Systems Support >>> LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA >>> >>> ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that >>> is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> TBM >> > > > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > I'm a debian/Ubuntu user, so depending on your distro and version it might be elsewhere. Do you get anything from this? grep -r 'snd-hda-intel' /etc/modprobe.d/* If you don't have that, just creating the file mentioned before should make it work for you after the next module reload. On some systems you might still need to run "update-modules" after editing as well. You might also want to try the following. Find a .WAV file to test with, there's probably one or two in /usr/share/sounds. I use this one "/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav" (from "alsa-utils" on my box) Login from command-line (don't login as a GUI user as that will start pulse, we want to find out if the underlying ALSA layer is working first). Try this: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav You probably won't get any sound, so here's what we try. 1. Remove the snd-hda-intel module rmmod snd-hda-intel 2. Other modules may be linked to that that also need removing, but hopefully not, but if they do rmmod them as well (lsmod shows dependencies) 3. OK, so now you have no module, reinstall it and test one of the other sound-chip types: insmod /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko model=realtek 4. Check dmesg for anything interesting... 5. Now try to play again aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav 6. If that doesn't work, repeat 1-5 again, trying different modules for #3. The ones I find common are: realtek, m51va, 3stack, 6stack, acer. There is a BIG document on dealing with the snd-hda-intel driver, which includes a module list here: http://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Resolve_Problems_with_HDA-Intel_Sound_Cards -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 00:19:25 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:19:25 -0500 Subject: job schedulling In-Reply-To: <4B853FBD.5030103-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <4B853FBD.5030103@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <20100226001925.GA5463@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:03:25AM -0500, Jose wrote: > Just a quick question, does anybody has a job scheduler software running > for multiplatforms?, we have one IBM from the Tivoli family but is > expensive, is anything comparable in Linux? Maybe not what you're looking for, but... custom-rolled makefile will give you "job"-based scheduling, as opposed to "time"-based one. The only problem will be writing wrappers for existing applications, so that they end up with what "make" looks for. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 01:49:31 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:49:31 -0500 Subject: job schedulling In-Reply-To: <20100226001925.GA5463-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B853FBD.5030103@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100226001925.GA5463@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:19 PM, William Park wrote: > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:03:25AM -0500, Jose wrote: >> Just a quick question, does anybody has a job scheduler software running >> for multiplatforms?, we have one IBM from the Tivoli family but is >> expensive, is anything comparable in Linux? > > Maybe not what you're looking for, but... custom-rolled makefile will > give you "job"-based scheduling, as opposed to "time"-based one. > The only problem will be writing wrappers for existing applications, so > that they end up with what "make" looks for. The trouble with this is elaborated on very nicely in the SunWorld article that I referenced... Quoting some relevant bits... "Unix admins are quick to point out that Unix offers cron, which handles the basics of simple job scheduling. Mainframe folks, on the other hand, fall over laughing when anyone suggests that cron provides adequate scheduling capabilities. And for good reason." ... "In short, cron is pretty much a fancy alarm clock, waking up at preset times to run a job. Detection of job failure is simplistic, and it can't rerun a failed job at a later date." Of course, people propose, "why don't I write a script???" "To correct this, a lot of people roll their own job management systems. They use cron to kick off a job controller and create scripts that detect failure conditions, initiate other jobs, and provide some modicum of checkpoint/restart capabilities. While these solutions often work adequately for small job streams, they rarely scale to handle the job loads of a typical mainframe. They also lack sophisticated user interfaces and reporting tools that allow you to keep audit trails of your job streams. Even worse, a home-grown job scheduler quickly turns into a full-time programming job. As you increase your dependence on the tool, you'll find yourself adding more and more features. The result is usually a hodgepodge of scripts, programs, and Unix utilities that only a few people actually understand. The thought of basing production job streams on this kind of solution should make any good admin cringe." That's pretty "over the top", but it does successfully point out that there are things valuable about mainframe traditions that have tended to be absent on Unix. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Samuel Goldwyn - "I don't think anyone should write their autobiography until after they're dead." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/samuel_goldwyn.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 03:38:14 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:38:14 -0800 Subject: PulseAudio In-Reply-To: <3a97ef1002250910w21b8ded0n1cfeedd351c0d351-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef1002170844g1d3b1084h82b5ba9bb2b2b397@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1002191600s5918a10cvf61126faa0e44f95@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef1002250910w21b8ded0n1cfeedd351c0d351@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Thomas Milne > wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Thomas Milne >> wrote: >>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >>>> Modern pulseaudio behavior is to run a "session" when you login to X. >>>> ?/etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio >>>> >>>> The /etc/init.d/ one doesn't do anything unless you do a bunch of >>>> reconfiguration to use system-wide pulse, which actually tends to >>>> cause more issues rather than less. >>>> >>>> To see if you're already got a pulse session, try: >>>> ?pulseaudio --check && echo OK >>>> >>> >>> scribe at scribe14:~$ pulseaudio --check && echo OK >>> OK >>> >>>> To kill one (although I think gnome respawns them) >>>> ?pulseaudio -k >>>> >>>> It looks like ALSA did find your card, try "aplay -l" to list it from alsa. >>>> >>>> >>> scribe at scribe14:~$ aplay -l >>> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** >>> card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 0: AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog] >>> ?Subdevices: 0/1 >>> ?Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 >>> card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 1: AD198x Digital [AD198x Digital] >>> ?Subdevices: 1/1 >>> ?Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 >>> >>> >>>> Another problem may be that though your card is intel-HDA compatible, >>>> there are actually a whole whackload of sub-models that your specific >>>> chipset might fall under. Check for funky entries under: >>>> ?/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf >>>> ?/etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.conf >>>> >>> >>> Perhaps this is the problem, because I have no such file as >>> /etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.conf: >> >> Actually, I've checked on a couple of the systems here that have >> sound, and they don't have this file either. Is the configuration >> stored somewhere else now? >> >>> scribe at scribe14:~$ ls -l /etc/modprobe.d/ >>> total 32 >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2497 2009-10-11 15:07 alsa-base.conf >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root ?325 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist-ath_pci.conf >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1603 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist.conf >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root ?213 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist-firewire.conf >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root ?662 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist-framebuffer.conf >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root ?156 2009-10-11 15:07 blacklist-modem.conf >>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root ? 41 2009-11-20 13:15 blacklist-oss.conf -> >>> /lib/linux-sound-base/noOSS.modprobe.conf >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1077 2009-09-15 14:46 blacklist-watchdog.conf >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root ? 16 2009-08-26 02:49 libpisock9.conf >>> >>>> The second one will have model-specific info. If the model is wrong, >>>> your sound won't work. For example I have: >>>> ?options snd-hda-intel model=m51va >>>> >>>> Other options can be: >>>> ?options snd-hda-intel model=realtek >>>> ?options snd-hda-intel model=m51va >>>> ?options snd-hda-intel model=6stack >>>> ?options snd-hda-intel model=3stack >>>> ?options snd-hda-intel model=acer >>>> ?etc etc >>>> >>>> You'd have to rmmod and them modprobe the driver (snd_hda_intel) to >>>> try new ones after editing the config, or stop/start ALSA, or reboot. >>> >>> So, what if I don't even have that file? Sorry, I'm in a little over >>> my depth here :-\ >>> >>>> I think the Nvidia one might be realtek based? I'd have to check my >>>> other machine which has an Nvidia chipset and get back to you on that >>>> for the params that worked on that one... >>> >>> If you have a sample file I could try to copy from, that would be >>> great! Many thanks for the tips :-) >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Thomas Milne >>>> wrote: >>>>> Sitting at the machine now. In the sound prefs (the speaker icon in >>>>> the panel) it does show the sound card and even will show what >>>>> application is using it and so on, but still no sound. I'm not sure >>>>> what to check to see if the correct 'profile' is being used, but >>>>> nothing appears to be muted anywhere. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure how to see if the daemon is running, it doesn't respond >>>>> the way I'm used to: >>>>> >>>>> scribe at scribe14:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart >>>>> [sudo] password for scribe: >>>>> ?* PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions >>>>> scribe at scribe14:~$ pulseaudio >>>>> E: socket-server.c: bind(): Address already in use >>>>> E: module.c: Failed to load ?module "module-esound-protocol-unix" >>>>> (argument: ""): initialization failed. >>>>> E: main.c: Module load failed. >>>>> E: main.c: Failed to initialize daemon. >>>>> scribe at scribe14:~$ pulse-session >>>>> E: main.c: Daemon startup failed. >>>>> >>>>> That could be because it's already running, though, no? >>>>> >>>>> There was no .asoundrc file to nuke. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >>>>>> I found a couple things when updating to karmic on various machines >>>>>> that could case this: >>>>>> ?- Gnome/pulse found a different "default" soundcard than what they should have >>>>>> ?- PA set the volume to nothing in the sound panel mixer, or turned on mute >>>>>> ?- Wrong "profile" in the hardware settings of the sound prefs >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have a .asoundrc file in your homedir you may need to nuke that too >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you seeing your soundcard? Is the pulseaudio daemon loading? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Thomas Milne >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Ha! So it finally got to me. So far on my home machine it's been no >>>>>>> problem, so I've been wondering why everyone hates Pulse so much. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Until now. At work we upgraded all the machines to Karmic Koala and >>>>>>> now a lot of them have no sound. If you saw how we do our jobs, you >>>>>>> would understand what a horrifying thing this is ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyhow, I remember some threads on here a while ago about fixing this >>>>>>> by using good 'ol OSS, but as these are work computers I thought I >>>>>>> would ask before I start trying some of the solutions. Is this really >>>>>>> the tried and true method? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also found this link. Anyone else solve it like this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395089 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> TBM >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>>>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>>>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tyler Aviss >>>>>> Systems Support >>>>>> LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that >>>>>> is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> TBM >>>>> -- >>>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tyler Aviss >>>> Systems Support >>>> LPIC/LPIC-2/CLA >>>> >>>> ?Even enemies will help each other if they are together on a boat that >>>> is in trouble. ? ? Sun Tzu >>>> -- >>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> TBM >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> TBM >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > I'm a debian/Ubuntu user, so depending on your distro and version it > might be elsewhere. Do you get anything from this? > ?grep -r 'snd-hda-intel' /etc/modprobe.d/* scribe at scribe14:~$ grep -r 'snd-hda-intel' /etc/modprobe.d/* /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf:options snd-hda-intel power_save=10 power_save_controller=N Yep, I got a response, so it is there. These machines are running Ubuntu (Karmic) as well, so it should be similar at least to your setup, no? > If you don't have that, just creating the file mentioned before should > make it work for you after the next module reload. On some systems you > might still need to run "update-modules" after editing as well. > > You might also want to try the following. > Find a .WAV file to test with, there's probably one or two in > /usr/share/sounds. I use this one > "/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav" (from "alsa-utils" on my > box) > Login from command-line (don't login as a GUI user as that will start > pulse, we want to find out if the underlying ALSA layer is working > first). > Try this: > ?aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav > > You probably won't get any sound, so here's what we try. > > 1. Remove the snd-hda-intel module > ?rmmod snd-hda-intel > > 2. Other modules may be linked to that that also need removing, but > hopefully not, but if they do rmmod them as well (lsmod shows > dependencies) > > 3. OK, so now you have no module, reinstall it and test one of the > other sound-chip types: > > ?insmod /lib/modules/$(uname > -r)/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko model=realtek > > 4. Check dmesg for anything interesting... > > 5. Now try to play again > ?aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav > > 6. If that doesn't work, repeat 1-5 again, trying different modules > for #3. The ones I find common are: realtek, m51va, 3stack, 6stack, > acer. There is a BIG document on dealing with the snd-hda-intel > driver, which includes a module list here: > ?http://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Resolve_Problems_with_HDA-Intel_Sound_Cards Thanks for taking the time to post these tips, greatly appreciated. I wont have a chance tonight to get into it (someone is sitting at the machine right now...), but I'll give it a go tomorrow. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 03:42:56 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:42:56 -0800 Subject: best place to buy laptop? Message-ID: Someone asked me about what laptop to buy, and I don't know laptops, so I checked here :-) Going through the 'laptop recommendation' threads, I saw that Lennart was very keen on Lenovo and also Asus, esp with the Core 2 Duo, so that's what I recommended. However, one thing I'm not sure of at all is what is the best way to buy one. Are the best deals online? To my thinking, it's more likely you are going to get _exactly_ what you want if you order online, as opposed to buying whatever Store X has in stock, but does anyone have any experiences with this? -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 13:44:07 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:44:07 -0500 Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f13df281002260544r513e8b42ib23df9ba77cab2e8@mail.gmail.com> On 25 February 2010 22:42, Thomas Milne wrote: > Someone asked me about what laptop to buy, and I don't know laptops, > so I checked here :-) > > Going through the 'laptop recommendation' threads, I saw that Lennart > was very keen on Lenovo and also Asus, esp with the Core 2 Duo, so > that's what I recommended. However, one thing I'm not sure of at all > is what is the best way to buy one. > > Are the best deals online? To my thinking, it's more likely you are > going to get _exactly_ what you want if you order online, as opposed > to buying whatever Store X has in stock, but does anyone have any > experiences with this? Best Buy is good for getting a feel for what's available and seeing what looks good or feels good. Future Shop has a slightly worse selection, but they also have staff on commission (which BB doesn't have) and they can be a bit pushy. While both tend to have exceptionally high prices they do occasionally run very deeply discounted specials, so I do buy there every once in a while. But if your heart is set on Asus/Lenovo I don't think you'll find either in the hallowed halls of BB/FS. I have the impression that a lot of places are selling their left-over stock with Windows Vista installed at discount prices: you'll probably want to avoid this if the end user is actually planning on using Windows. Windows 7 sounds like a better bet. Of course if you're planning on installing Linux, take the discount. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 14:04:10 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:04:10 -0500 Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002260544r513e8b42ib23df9ba77cab2e8-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002260544r513e8b42ib23df9ba77cab2e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3571002260604v19cd6fd4pe4471b6a5e8421e1@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 08:44, Giles Orr wrote: > Best Buy is good for getting a feel for what's available and seeing > what looks good or feels good. ?Future Shop has a slightly worse > selection, but they also have staff on commission (which BB doesn't > have) and they can be a bit pushy. ?While both tend to have > exceptionally high prices they do occasionally run very deeply > discounted specials, so I do buy there every once in a while. ?But if > your heart is set on Asus/Lenovo I don't think you'll find either in > the hallowed halls of BB/FS. > > I have the impression that a lot of places are selling their left-over > stock with Windows Vista installed at discount prices: you'll probably > want to avoid this if the end user is actually planning on using > Windows. ?Windows 7 sounds like a better bet. ?Of course if you're > planning on installing Linux, take the discount. > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org You've got to remember that BB & FS "optomize" the laptops they sell, and when you ask for a laptop that isn't "optomized", they tell you they don't have any of those, etc. You can always check out TigerDirect. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 14:12:54 2010 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:12:54 -0500 Subject: NFS time based access restrictions Message-ID: <4B87D6E6.1040901@moores.ca> Hi guys. I am needing to place time based access restrictions on NFS mounts. I figured I would just create a cron job on the server. Change the /etc/exports file and restart the server when the access restrictions need to take effect. Unfortunately it is only one exported directory that I need to disable, while all the other mounts from the same server still need to be accessible. Does any one have thoughts about whether this is the best way to do this or not? The other alternative I guess is to put the cron job on the various clients and have them umount the NFS directory. Of course I might run into issues if there are files open. Then the umount could fail. The NFS exports are read only. I'd love to hear anybody elses opinions if you want to offer it. Thanks, darryl -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 15:25:26 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:25:26 -0500 Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B87E7E6.6000906@alteeve.com> On 10-02-25 10:42 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > Someone asked me about what laptop to buy, and I don't know laptops, > so I checked here :-) > > Going through the 'laptop recommendation' threads, I saw that Lennart > was very keen on Lenovo and also Asus, esp with the Core 2 Duo, so > that's what I recommended. However, one thing I'm not sure of at all > is what is the best way to buy one. > > Are the best deals online? To my thinking, it's more likely you are > going to get _exactly_ what you want if you order online, as opposed > to buying whatever Store X has in stock, but does anyone have any > experiences with this? > I've gotten to the point where I buy directly from the OEM. It takes a bit longer, but you get exactly what you want with no middle-men. Also, get the extended warranty, no matter who you go with. Modern laptops, all of them, suck from a quality point of view. I've seen *way* too many new laptops die just outside of their warranty these days. As for which specific models; ASUS and Lenovo are decent. I've owned both, and I've had to RMA both, but in both cases it was fixed. I have to say, ASUS was by far the easiest and fastest to deal with, and I'd have no hesitation recommending them. Bonus points for ASUS; Their depot is in Markham and they let you drop off/pick up your RMA. Their turn around for me was 24 hours. Lenovo was more of a hassle to deal with, but their T400s is probably the best business laptop on the market. Very powerful processor, excellent screen and up to 8GB RAM. They've also got pretty good deals going on fairly often (25~35% off) and you can customize your machine quite a bit. Keep an eye on Red Flag Deals for the really good promo codes. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 16:10:41 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:10:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571002260604v19cd6fd4pe4471b6a5e8421e1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002260544r513e8b42ib23df9ba77cab2e8@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3571002260604v19cd6fd4pe4471b6a5e8421e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Michael Lauzon | You've got to remember that BB & FS "optomize" the laptops they sell, | and when you ask for a laptop that isn't "optomized", they tell you | they don't have any of those, etc. You can always check out | TigerDirect. What does "optomize" mean? I last bought a notebook from BB about 2.5 years ago and had no such experience. Sometimes Staples has good deals when they are trying to get rid of old stock. Sometimes even then their prices are high. I've heard rumours that some Staples stores degrade these deals by requiring you to buy some add-on package. Is this what "optomize" means? As Madi indicated, Red Flag Deals often points out really good direct-from-Lenovo deals. There is a fair variety in notebooks. It is important to decide what you want and need first. My second notebook was a powerhouse with a great screen and processor. I discovered that the fact that it weighed over 8 pounds was more important. My subsequent notebooks have been very small and light. Notebooks usually get obsolete fairly quickly. One can justify replacing a cheap one more quickly than an expensive one. So I lean towards cheap ones. On the other hand, if you are going to use it a lot, you might get your money's worth out of a better notebook quickly enough. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 16:32:14 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:32:14 -0500 Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571002260604v19cd6fd4pe4471b6a5e8421e1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002260544r513e8b42ib23df9ba77cab2e8@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3571002260604v19cd6fd4pe4471b6a5e8421e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B87F78E.4080503@rogers.com> Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 08:44, Giles Orr wrote: > >> Best Buy is good for getting a feel for what's available and seeing >> what looks good or feels good. Future Shop has a slightly worse >> selection, but they also have staff on commission (which BB doesn't >> have) and they can be a bit pushy. While both tend to have >> exceptionally high prices they do occasionally run very deeply >> discounted specials, so I do buy there every once in a while. But if >> your heart is set on Asus/Lenovo I don't think you'll find either in >> the hallowed halls of BB/FS. >> >> I have the impression that a lot of places are selling their left-over >> stock with Windows Vista installed at discount prices: you'll probably >> want to avoid this if the end user is actually planning on using >> Windows. Windows 7 sounds like a better bet. Of course if you're >> planning on installing Linux, take the discount. >> >> -- >> Giles >> http://www.gilesorr.com/ >> gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >> > You've got to remember that BB& FS "optomize" the laptops they sell, > and when you ask for a laptop that isn't "optomized", they tell you > they don't have any of those, etc. You can always check out > TigerDirect. > > > I recently noticed a Lenovo on sale at Canada Computers a few days ago. They tend to have decent prices. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 16:38:33 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:38:33 -0500 Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df281002260544r513e8b42ib23df9ba77cab2e8@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3571002260604v19cd6fd4pe4471b6a5e8421e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B87F909.7000705@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > Notebooks usually get obsolete fairly quickly. One can justify > replacing a cheap one more quickly than an expensive one. So I lean > towards cheap ones. On the other hand, if you are going to use it a > lot, you might get your money's worth out of a better notebook quickly > enough. > I have an 8 year old ThinkPad R31 that's still going strong. It runs Linux fine, but for some reason XP frequenly locks up on it (no great loss). The only "repair" I've had on it was replacing a dead battery a couple of years back. I bought it as a "refurb" at the warehouse store IBM used to have on 14th Ave. in Markham. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 17:00:59 2010 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:00:59 -0500 Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: <4B87F909.7000705-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002260544r513e8b42ib23df9ba77cab2e8@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3571002260604v19cd6fd4pe4471b6a5e8421e1@mail.gmail.com> <4B87F909.7000705@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4B87FE4B.1000907@the-wire.com> James Knott wrote: > D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> >> Notebooks usually get obsolete fairly quickly. One can justify >> replacing a cheap one more quickly than an expensive one. So I lean >> towards cheap ones. On the other hand, if you are going to use it a >> lot, you might get your money's worth out of a better notebook quickly >> enough. >> > I have an 8 year old ThinkPad R31 that's still going strong. [ ... ] Hasn't been 8 years yet, but I'm getting good service from an HP/Compaq nc6000 that happened to come from Laptop Closeouts. It's running stock Ubuntu 9.04 with the usual features, sound, wireless, ethernet, etc. Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 18:01:56 2010 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:01:56 -0500 Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92ee967a1002261001u3f17918eyb3c098f803b4be4f@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > Someone asked me about what laptop to buy, and I don't know laptops, > so I checked here :-) > > Going through the 'laptop recommendation' threads, I saw that Lennart > was very keen on Lenovo and also Asus, esp with the Core 2 Duo, so > that's what I recommended. However, one thing I'm not sure of at all > is what is the best way to buy one. > > Are the best deals online? To my thinking, it's more likely you are > going to get _exactly_ what you want if you order online, as opposed > to buying whatever Store X has in stock, but does anyone have any > experiences with this? I think you're right about buying online. but... If you have to buy in person, I've sent people to www.csctoronto.com and they've had generally good experiences. Last time anyone I know dealt with them, they actually had knowledgeable bench technicians who honored warranties (the usual protests apply... don't do anything dumb like drop your machine, don't leave it out in the rain, you need to back up your own data, etc.). They seem to charge a premium, but they seem to only carry better hardware and they stand behind it. we all know what margins are like in the computer industry. You *need* to charge a premium if you want a nice store front or any reasonable level of service. Personally, I buy online, but I do my own support and take my own chances. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 19:53:01 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:53:01 -0500 Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100226195301.GG4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 07:42:56PM -0800, Thomas Milne wrote: > Someone asked me about what laptop to buy, and I don't know laptops, > so I checked here :-) > > Going through the 'laptop recommendation' threads, I saw that Lennart > was very keen on Lenovo and also Asus, esp with the Core 2 Duo, so > that's what I recommended. However, one thing I'm not sure of at all > is what is the best way to buy one. > > Are the best deals online? To my thinking, it's more likely you are > going to get _exactly_ what you want if you order online, as opposed > to buying whatever Store X has in stock, but does anyone have any > experiences with this? For an Asus I would just go to Canada Computers or other local computer store (My wife got her EeePC at canada computers and her R1F at Lu Computers (They were cheapest at that time for the model). For a Lenovo thinkpad, get it from lenovo.com using whatever coupon code is currently best (see redflagdeals.com for coupon codes for lenovo). If you want a customized laptop, the lenovo online order is nice. Getting anything customized from a store is going to be pretty close to impossible. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 19:55:59 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:55:59 -0500 Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: <4B87E7E6.6000906-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B87E7E6.6000906@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20100226195559.GH4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:25:26AM -0500, Digimer wrote: > I've gotten to the point where I buy directly from the OEM. It takes a > bit longer, but you get exactly what you want with no middle-men. Also, > get the extended warranty, no matter who you go with. Modern laptops, > all of them, suck from a quality point of view. I've seen *way* too many > new laptops die just outside of their warranty these days. > > As for which specific models; ASUS and Lenovo are decent. I've owned > both, and I've had to RMA both, but in both cases it was fixed. I have > to say, ASUS was by far the easiest and fastest to deal with, and I'd > have no hesitation recommending them. Bonus points for ASUS; Their depot > is in Markham and they let you drop off/pick up your RMA. Their turn > around for me was 24 hours. They also have an arrangement with a large computer store downtown now that deals with service in addition to the markham location. > Lenovo was more of a hassle to deal with, but their T400s is probably > the best business laptop on the market. Very powerful processor, > excellent screen and up to 8GB RAM. They've also got pretty good deals > going on fairly often (25~35% off) and you can customize your machine > quite a bit. I have heard of cases where lenovo is a pain to deal with for service, and I have heard of cases where they were super easy and sent out a replacement HD for a failed drive by fedex overnight. At the moment my wife needs the headphone jack fixed on her eeepc, and asus is being difficult (keeps saying they have to have someone call back, well its been a week and they haven't called yet). I am sure once an RMA number is issued it will be fixed in 24 hours, but we have to get one first. It wasn't like this last time I had to deal with asus. > Keep an eye on Red Flag Deals for the really good promo codes. 25 to 30% is good. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 19:57:18 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:57:18 -0500 Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: <1f13df281002260544r513e8b42ib23df9ba77cab2e8-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002260544r513e8b42ib23df9ba77cab2e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100226195718.GI4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 08:44:07AM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > Best Buy is good for getting a feel for what's available and seeing > what looks good or feels good. Future Shop has a slightly worse > selection, but they also have staff on commission (which BB doesn't > have) and they can be a bit pushy. While both tend to have > exceptionally high prices they do occasionally run very deeply > discounted specials, so I do buy there every once in a while. But if > your heart is set on Asus/Lenovo I don't think you'll find either in > the hallowed halls of BB/FS. Bestbuy sells asus. Note however that you can't get them serviced by the downtown toronto location if you buy it at best buy for some reason. > I have the impression that a lot of places are selling their left-over > stock with Windows Vista installed at discount prices: you'll probably > want to avoid this if the end user is actually planning on using > Windows. Windows 7 sounds like a better bet. Of course if you're > planning on installing Linux, take the discount. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 19:58:04 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:58:04 -0500 Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: <4B87F78E.4080503-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002260544r513e8b42ib23df9ba77cab2e8@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3571002260604v19cd6fd4pe4471b6a5e8421e1@mail.gmail.com> <4B87F78E.4080503@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100226195804.GJ4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:32:14AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > I recently noticed a Lenovo on sale at Canada Computers a few days ago. > They tend to have decent prices. You can usually get just as good a deal from lenovo.com and you get to customize it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 20:00:31 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:00:31 -0500 Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df281002260544r513e8b42ib23df9ba77cab2e8@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3571002260604v19cd6fd4pe4471b6a5e8421e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100226200031.GK4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:10:41AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Michael Lauzon > > | You've got to remember that BB & FS "optomize" the laptops they sell, > | and when you ask for a laptop that isn't "optomized", they tell you > | they don't have any of those, etc. You can always check out > | TigerDirect. > > What does "optomize" mean? > > I last bought a notebook from BB about 2.5 years ago and had no such > experience. > > > Sometimes Staples has good deals when they are trying to get rid of > old stock. Sometimes even then their prices are high. I've heard > rumours that some Staples stores degrade these deals by requiring you > to buy some add-on package. Is this what "optomize" means? > > > As Madi indicated, Red Flag Deals often points out really good > direct-from-Lenovo deals. > > > There is a fair variety in notebooks. It is important to decide what > you want and need first. My second notebook was a powerhouse with a > great screen and processor. I discovered that the fact that it > weighed over 8 pounds was more important. My subsequent notebooks > have been very small and light. > > Notebooks usually get obsolete fairly quickly. One can justify > replacing a cheap one more quickly than an expensive one. So I lean > towards cheap ones. On the other hand, if you are going to use it a > lot, you might get your money's worth out of a better notebook quickly > enough. The X201 from lenovo coming out soon looks very nice. 12" 1280x800 screen, with 4 to 9 cell battery options, and weight as low as 1.5kg I believe, with about 2kg for one with a decent battery. Battery life should be 6 to 12 hours depending on battery, and they use Core i7 and i5 CPUs, rather than the dreadfully slow atom. The X201s is the slim lightweight version, the X201 is regular, and the X201 tablet is, well, a tablet PC with multitouch capacitive touch screen as well. Too bad the tablet version will be close to $2000. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 20:07:17 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:07:17 -0500 Subject: NFS time based access restrictions In-Reply-To: <4B87D6E6.1040901-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B87D6E6.1040901@moores.ca> Message-ID: <20100226200717.GL4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 09:12:54AM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: > I am needing to place time based access restrictions on NFS mounts. I > figured I would just create a cron job on the server. Change the > /etc/exports file and restart the server when the access restrictions > need to take effect. > > Unfortunately it is only one exported directory that I need to disable, > while all the other mounts from the same server still need to be accessible. > > Does any one have thoughts about whether this is the best way to do this > or not? The other alternative I guess is to put the cron job on the > various clients and have them umount the NFS directory. Of course I > might run into issues if there are files open. Then the umount could fail. > > The NFS exports are read only. > > I'd love to hear anybody elses opinions if you want to offer it. I guess the obvious question is: Why do you want to do this? Quite likely if we knew that we could give you a sensible solution that might actually work reliably. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 20:23:56 2010 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:23:56 -0500 Subject: NFS time based access restrictions In-Reply-To: <20100226200717.GL4308-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B87D6E6.1040901@moores.ca> <20100226200717.GL4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B882DDC.3070503@moores.ca> Oh that's easy. My home server hosts videos. Everything I've ripped and/or downloaded in the last decade is there. I want to make sure the kids can't access it between the time they get home and after supper. Perhaps another solution is to change the group ownership of the directory and use cron add/remove the kids from a videoviewing group. I'm using LDAP for authentication already so that wouldn't be too hard. Yes, I didn't really think exporting and unexporting the directory was the best option. I have enough occasional issues with my own laptop and NFS when it sleep and the wakes somewhere not on the network. If Nautilus had an NFS mounted directory open when it went to sleep it causes all sorts of head aches when it resumes. cheers, darryl Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 09:12:54AM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: >> I am needing to place time based access restrictions on NFS mounts. I >> figured I would just create a cron job on the server. Change the >> /etc/exports file and restart the server when the access restrictions >> need to take effect. >> >> Unfortunately it is only one exported directory that I need to disable, >> while all the other mounts from the same server still need to be accessible. >> >> Does any one have thoughts about whether this is the best way to do this >> or not? The other alternative I guess is to put the cron job on the >> various clients and have them umount the NFS directory. Of course I >> might run into issues if there are files open. Then the umount could fail. >> >> The NFS exports are read only. >> >> I'd love to hear anybody elses opinions if you want to offer it. > > I guess the obvious question is: Why do you want to do this? > > Quite likely if we knew that we could give you a sensible solution that > might actually work reliably. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 20:24:05 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:24:05 -0500 Subject: Getting e-mail past senderbase.org Message-ID: I've been doing some work on a Linux e-commerce server for a small Canadian firm outside the Greater Toronto Area. The server, which is based at a hosting firm in California periodically sends e-mail (orders and status messages) to the owners. A few weeks ago the owners of the website stopped getting e-mails from the site. A look at the logs turned up messages like the following: 13:41:44 postfix/smtp[9285]: connect to : server dropped connection without sending the initial SMTP greeting (port 25) Some calls and e-mails turned up the fact that the e-commerce firm was on a senderbase.org @#$% list that their local (non-GTA) ISP was using to screen spam. No real idea how this e-commerce site got on the senderbase.org @#$% list. The e-commerce firm has been in operation with the same IP number for some 10+ years. A heavy day should mean maybe 20 e-mails. To solve the issue I did get a 2nd IP number, in a different net block and e-mail got passed through that, but that was also blocked. E-mails from the server to Gmail and one of Canada's major Universities go through without any issues. A check on both the original and 2nd IP number via http://www.mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx comes up clean. I have suggested to the e-commerce firm that they change local ISPs, something they would REALLY prefer not to do. So, the big question is any ideas on what does it take to get into senderbase.org's good graces? Thanks. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 20:38:49 2010 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:38:49 -0500 Subject: NFS time based access restrictions In-Reply-To: <4B882DDC.3070503-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B87D6E6.1040901@moores.ca> <20100226200717.GL4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B882DDC.3070503@moores.ca> Message-ID: <92ee967a1002261238m17b2d076m76ba65e1991aa558@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Darryl Moore wrote: > Oh that's easy. My home server hosts videos. Everything I've ripped > and/or downloaded in the last decade is there. I want to make sure the > kids can't access it between the time they get home and after supper. > > Perhaps another solution is to change the group ownership of the > directory and use cron add/remove the kids from a videoviewing group. > I'm using LDAP for authentication already so that wouldn't be too hard. > > Yes, I didn't really think exporting and unexporting the directory was > the best option. I have enough occasional issues with my own laptop and > NFS when it sleep and the wakes somewhere not on the network. If > Nautilus had an NFS mounted directory open when it went to sleep it > causes all sorts of head aches when it resumes. I think you can do exportfs -u /path/to/no/longer/export and it will stop exporting the path, even though it's in /etc/exports Then I think if you do a exportfs -a it will reload the /etc/exports and re-export anything which was previously unexported. I don't have an NFS environment handy to try it out... so I'm not 100%. I think this is a better solution than messing with permissions or group memberships, because once authenticated, the group memberships stay the same until the user logs back in. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 20:44:38 2010 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:44:38 -0500 Subject: NFS time based access restrictions In-Reply-To: <92ee967a1002261238m17b2d076m76ba65e1991aa558-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B87D6E6.1040901@moores.ca> <20100226200717.GL4308@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B882DDC.3070503@moores.ca> <92ee967a1002261238m17b2d076m76ba65e1991aa558@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B8832B6.70906@moores.ca> Ooo excellent. I just shelled in and read the man page. That will do perfectly. I'll make a cron job for this on the weekend and see how how it goes. Thanks, darryl Mike Kallies wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Darryl Moore wrote: >> Oh that's easy. My home server hosts videos. Everything I've ripped >> and/or downloaded in the last decade is there. I want to make sure the >> kids can't access it between the time they get home and after supper. >> >> Perhaps another solution is to change the group ownership of the >> directory and use cron add/remove the kids from a videoviewing group. >> I'm using LDAP for authentication already so that wouldn't be too hard. >> >> Yes, I didn't really think exporting and unexporting the directory was >> the best option. I have enough occasional issues with my own laptop and >> NFS when it sleep and the wakes somewhere not on the network. If >> Nautilus had an NFS mounted directory open when it went to sleep it >> causes all sorts of head aches when it resumes. > > I think you can do > > exportfs -u /path/to/no/longer/export > > and it will stop exporting the path, even though it's in /etc/exports > > Then I think if you do a > > exportfs -a > > it will reload the /etc/exports and re-export anything which was > previously unexported. > > I don't have an NFS environment handy to try it out... so I'm not 100%. > > I think this is a better solution than messing with permissions or > group memberships, because once authenticated, the group memberships > stay the same until the user logs back in. > > -Mike > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 21:32:14 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:32:14 -0500 Subject: Getting e-mail past senderbase.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100226213214.GC17292@phaedrus.isageek.ca> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 03:24:05PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > So, the big question is any ideas on what does it take to get into > senderbase.org's good graces? senderbase.org say they are using spamcop.net for blocks. http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 22:16:42 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:16:42 -0500 Subject: Getting e-mail past senderbase.org In-Reply-To: <20100226213214.GC17292-uJ2o19zk1gpqyOjzEv4mMiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20100226213214.GC17292@phaedrus.isageek.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 03:24:05PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: >> So, the big question is any ideas on what does it take to get into >> senderbase.org's good graces? > > senderbase.org say they are using spamcop.net for blocks. > http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml > > Jamon There is where things continue to annoy... I've fed the IP numbers to spamcop and neither one is in the spamcop blackhole list... Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 26 23:19:30 2010 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:19:30 -0500 Subject: job schedulling In-Reply-To: References: <4B853FBD.5030103@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100226001925.GA5463@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20100226231930.GA14923@watson-wilon.ca> Cfengine 3 has the ability to do job scheduling. By passing 'remote classes' to peers jobs are able to be scheduled not only based on time but based on the completion of jobs on other hosts. There is a white paper at cfengine.com that talks about it (free sign in required). Sincerely, -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From erik_list-etARiVBfTZtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 27 01:02:16 2010 From: erik_list-etARiVBfTZtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Erik L) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:02:16 -0500 Subject: Announcing OpenWrt/MLPPP - multilink firmware for consumer routers - Caneris & Acanac Message-ID: Caneris and Acanac are pleased to announce the alpha release of OpenWrt/MLPPP. OpenWrt/MLPPP is a fork of OpenWrt and Linux/MLPPP. The product is open source firmware for consumer broadband routers, featuring MLPPP support and focusing on ease of use and broad hardware support. Multilink PPP (MLPPP) allows users to bond multiple DSL lines from a compatible ISP to take advantage of increased (combined) throughput/speeds and reliability. We'd like to thank Anik Mishra and Adam Zey for their outstanding work on Linux/MLPPP and Tomato/MLPPP, which have formed the basis for our project. For complete details, please visit http://www.fw5.net. Soon we'll announce the other part of this project: MLPPP routers running this firmware - check the Hardware section on the web site for details. For those familiar with DSLR/BBR, we're also having a discussion here: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r23864411-Announcing-OpenWrtMLPPP-MLPPP-firmware-Caneris-Acanac and in numerous other places (there are forums on the project's site too). Feel free to ask any questions. -- Erik *** Remove the _list part in my e-mail address to reply. *** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 27 01:52:28 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:52:28 -0500 Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df281002260544r513e8b42ib23df9ba77cab2e8@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3571002260604v19cd6fd4pe4471b6a5e8421e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3571002261752k5b737efbg56af4a5bb059e6a7@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:10, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > What does "optomize" mean? > > I last bought a notebook from BB about 2.5 years ago and had no such > experience. Sorry, I've been out all day, here's what I meant: http://consumerist.com/2010/01/consumerist-investigation-best-buy-optimization-is-a-big-stupid-annoying-waste-of-money.html -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 27 02:39:09 2010 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:39:09 +0100 Subject: Getting e-mail past senderbase.org In-Reply-To: (Colin McGregor's message of "Fri\, 26 Feb 2010 17\:16\:42 -0500") References: <20100226213214.GC17292@phaedrus.isageek.ca> Message-ID: <871vg7qu5u.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Colin McGregor a ?crit profondement: | On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Jamon Camisso | wrote: | > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 03:24:05PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: | >> So, the big question is any ideas on what does it take to get into | >> senderbase.org's good graces? | > | > senderbase.org say they are using spamcop.net for blocks. | > http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml | > | > Jamon | | There is where things continue to annoy... I've fed the IP numbers to | spamcop and neither one is in the spamcop blackhole list... | | Colin. You could start here It worked for me http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/91.html However, if SpamCop is blocking your client, there's a pretty good chance that you are on other lists too So check out http://www.mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx Azurservers.com currently provokes the following: FIVETEN LISTED NOMOREFUNN LISTED UCEPROTECTL2 LISTED AHBL OK ANT OK Backscatter.org OK ETC, ETC -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 27 05:40:57 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:40:57 -0500 Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571002261752k5b737efbg56af4a5bb059e6a7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002260544r513e8b42ib23df9ba77cab2e8@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3571002260604v19cd6fd4pe4471b6a5e8421e1@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3571002261752k5b737efbg56af4a5bb059e6a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:10, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> What does "optomize" mean? >> >> I last bought a notebook from BB about 2.5 years ago and had no such >> experience. > > > Sorry, I've been out all day, here's what I meant: > > http://consumerist.com/2010/01/consumerist-investigation-best-buy-optimization-is-a-big-stupid-annoying-waste-of-money.html > > Wow, thanks for posting that, that's a keeper for sure. Best Buy is an f'n nightmare. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 27 16:12:08 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:12:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Announcing OpenWrt/MLPPP - multilink firmware for consumer routers - Caneris & Acanac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Erik L | Caneris and Acanac are pleased to announce the alpha release of | OpenWrt/MLPPP. OpenWrt/MLPPP is a fork of OpenWrt and Linux/MLPPP. MLPPP support is clearly useful and I'm glad support for it is no longer limited to Tomato (I was previously unaware of Linux/MLPPP but it is (was?) limited to x86). Why did you fork? I can imagine reasons but it would be good to know yours. Thanks for this work and thanks for announcing it here. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 27 17:15:15 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:15:15 -0500 Subject: Announcing OpenWrt/MLPPP - multilink firmware for consumer routers - Caneris & Acanac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32f6a8881002270915k21ba7698s1dc4e872c4f8ff2f@mail.gmail.com> Yes I was aware of Tomato, but didn't know opewrt could do that functionality as well. There is documentation though on openwrt on how to setup with multiple wan inputs without mlppp using 2 ip addresses and using iptables to transfer between the 2 inputs.. Works quite nicely with torrents. I've done that before. On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:12 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Erik L > > | Caneris and Acanac are pleased to announce the alpha release of > | OpenWrt/MLPPP. OpenWrt/MLPPP is a fork of OpenWrt and Linux/MLPPP. > > MLPPP support is clearly useful and I'm glad support for it is no > longer limited to Tomato (I was previously unaware of Linux/MLPPP but > it is (was?) limited to x86). > > Why did you fork? ?I can imagine reasons but it would be good to know > yours. > > Thanks for this work and thanks for announcing it here. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 27 17:51:39 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:51:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Rogers ZTE MF668 3G Rocket Stick Solution In-Reply-To: <4B854DB8.8070807-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B854DB8.8070807@primus.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Feb 2010, Brian Carlile wrote: > The device itself is the ZTE MF668. It has a small amount of memory which is Hi Brian. That's interesting. I bought a Rogers Internet Stick when they first came out about 15 months ago now. The notes I made at the time are available here: http://www.timetraveller.org/rogers/ My USB stick is a Novatel Ovation MC950D. Perhaps Rogers aren't selling those anymore. I will update the notes as I've since scripted and improved the dialing process. Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org IRC: Solver Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 27 19:07:17 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:07:17 -0500 Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df281002260544r513e8b42ib23df9ba77cab2e8@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3571002260604v19cd6fd4pe4471b6a5e8421e1@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3571002261752k5b737efbg56af4a5bb059e6a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3571002271107t4524c108r1735167f24076b11@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 00:40, Thomas Milne wrote: > > Wow, thanks for posting that, that's a keeper for sure. Best Buy is an > f'n nightmare. > > -- > TBM > -- You're welcome. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 27 22:35:54 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:35:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: getting rid of paper files Message-ID: We have boxes and boxes of paper files -- various kinds of records. These records continue to flow in. They are not uniform: there are many kinds of records. This is a small organization -- only a couple of us need to access the files. Some files must be retained for a long time. I'm wondering if it is practical to move this stuff to disks. - we need to be able to scan the files quickly and easily for this to be practical. Initially batches would be scanned, but eventually paper would be scanned as it dribbles in. - we need to be able to find the files long after they are captured. So some kind of index structure is needed. It needs to be flexible and simple. - at least some of thethe files need to preserved forever. So a simple and open system is important. An active discipline of duplicating and porting will be required. - the records are for more than one entity so it would be good to be able to keep them separable. Is anything like this available? Simple? Cheap? Fast? Good? Supported by open source? Does anyone have a recommendation for a scanner that will do decent sheet feeding, isn't too big, has Linux support, and isn't too expensive? Are MFCs reasonable? (I acquired a Canon DR-3080C sheetfed scanner from FreeCycle. It looked plausible. Unfortunately, there is no Linux support. Even the MS Windows support is hard to get. has a driver that only supports XP and earlier and the CapturePerfect software will only update a previously installed version. This kind of hardware might otherwise be appropriate.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 27 22:43:02 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:43:02 -0500 Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571002261752k5b737efbg56af4a5bb059e6a7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002260544r513e8b42ib23df9ba77cab2e8@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3571002260604v19cd6fd4pe4471b6a5e8421e1@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3571002261752k5b737efbg56af4a5bb059e6a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B899FF6.3080709@rogers.com> Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:10, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > >> What does "optomize" mean? >> >> I last bought a notebook from BB about 2.5 years ago and had no such >> experience. >> > > Sorry, I've been out all day, here's what I meant: > > http://consumerist.com/2010/01/consumerist-investigation-best-buy-optimization-is-a-big-stupid-annoying-waste-of-money.html > > > The best way to optimize a computer is to blow away Windows and install Linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 27 22:46:04 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:46:04 -0500 Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df281002260544r513e8b42ib23df9ba77cab2e8@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3571002260604v19cd6fd4pe4471b6a5e8421e1@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3571002261752k5b737efbg56af4a5bb059e6a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B89A0AC.4040702@rogers.com> Thomas Milne wrote: > > Wow, thanks for posting that, that's a keeper for sure. Best Buy is an > f'n nightmare. > > Best Buy is one store I prefer to avoid. I've never cared for shopping there. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 27 22:54:09 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:54:09 -0500 Subject: best place to buy laptop? In-Reply-To: <4B899FF6.3080709-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df281002260544r513e8b42ib23df9ba77cab2e8@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3571002260604v19cd6fd4pe4471b6a5e8421e1@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3571002261752k5b737efbg56af4a5bb059e6a7@mail.gmail.com> <4B899FF6.3080709@rogers.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3571002271454v5d270191h948825f709134827@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 17:43, James Knott wrote: > The best way to optimize a computer is to blow away Windows and install > Linux. > > -- http://consumerist.com/2009/12/geek-squad-wouldnt-honor-my-netbooks-protection-plan.html More on the story: http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&q=voided+warranty+best+buy+linux&meta=&aq=f&oq=voided+warranty+best+buy+linux&fp=e2ba582240fd653a -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 27 23:04:58 2010 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:04:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: getting rid of paper files Message-ID: <22971.99.253.254.243.1267311898.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> There is a full page advert for something like this in the March issue of Scientific American. Unfortunately, the listed web page 404's. (Pay for a full page advert and then 404 the enquiries? Oh, boy.) However, a Google search turns up this: http://www.neatco.com/products/neatdesk It's almost certainly a windows-only product. Apparently there is a kiosk selling this in the terminals 1 and 3 at Pearson. Peter > We have boxes and boxes of paper files -- various kinds of records. These > records continue to flow in. They are not uniform: there are many kinds > of records. > > This is a small organization -- only a couple of us need to access the > files. > > Some files must be retained for a long time. > > I'm wondering if it is practical to move this stuff to disks. > > - we need to be able to scan the files quickly and easily for this to be > practical. Initially batches would be scanned, but eventually paper > would be scanned as it dribbles in. > > - we need to be able to find the files long after they are captured. So > some kind of index structure is needed. It needs to be flexible and > simple. > > - at least some of thethe files need to preserved forever. So a simple > and open system is important. An active discipline of duplicating and > porting will be required. > > - the records are for more than one entity so it would be good to be able > to keep them separable. > > Is anything like this available? Simple? Cheap? Fast? Good? > Supported by open source? > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a scanner that will do decent sheet > feeding, isn't too big, has Linux support, and isn't too expensive? Are > MFCs reasonable? > > (I acquired a Canon DR-3080C sheetfed scanner from FreeCycle. It > looked plausible. Unfortunately, there is no Linux support. Even the > MS Windows support is hard to get. > > has a driver that only supports XP and earlier and the CapturePerfect > software will only update a previously installed version. This kind > of hardware might otherwise be appropriate.) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 27 23:33:11 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:33:11 -0500 Subject: getting rid of paper files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 5:35 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > We have boxes and boxes of paper files -- various kinds of records. ?These > records continue to flow in. ?They are not uniform: there are many kinds > of records. There are a few pieces to this; I'm not sure how well things tend to tie together yet for the "massive" cases... 1. You need suitable hardware. The SANE project is the relevant one... http://www.sane-project.org There are a LOT of possibly suitable scanners 2. Mind you, it's possible that it's worth spending a tad more and getting an appliance that doesn't need a computer :-). Canada Computers carries a number of Canon "imageFormula" units which can dump their output across a network connection via FTP/Email/SMB. They're pretty expensive, starting at about $2k, but if you want to scan a bunch of pages per minute (the unit I took a peek at does 26!), that might be a good answer. 3. You then need to collect the archives in a meaningful way to enable searching them. MacOS-X actually has a mighty slick feature at the filesystem level which applications have been known to use; you can attach label metadata to files (rather like OS/2 extended attributes), and there are applications (Yep, Leap are ones I have used) which use those labels as an organizing mechanism. Thus, you might mark a bank statement with the labels: - ScotiaBank - 2010 - February - Bank - Statement And then be able to classify based on as few or many of those labels as you like. In the absence of "extended attributes," one might do similar things such as storing hashes of documents and their locations in a DBMS, and associating labels there. Further slickness would involve running OCR software against the documents, and capturing the text to enable searching by content. There's a product called Documentum; costs thousands of dollars, and chews up big servers for folks like Ontario Hydro who need long term storage of their documents. There's a model there for capturing documents via lpd: you throw the document + metadata into an lpd queue, and Documentum "eats" documents, stowing the results into its repository. Alas, free software options haven't emerged that integrate all of this together in visibly convenient ways. That first talk at OGLF we saw by the "sales historian" was describing something that might be a bit akin to Documentum, but the speaker wasn't remotely technical enough to be able to tell :-). -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Samuel Goldwyn - "I'm willing to admit that I may not always be right, but I am never wrong." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/samuel_goldwyn.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From erik_list-etARiVBfTZtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 28 01:31:33 2010 From: erik_list-etARiVBfTZtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Erik L) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:31:33 -0500 Subject: Announcing OpenWrt/MLPPP - multilink firmware for consumer routers - Caneris & Acanac In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: > MLPPP support is clearly useful and I'm glad support for it is no > longer limited to Tomato (I was previously unaware of Linux/MLPPP but > it is (was?) limited to x86). > IIRC, Linux/MLPPP is x86 only but I guess you should be able to cross-compile the source code for a different arch, much as we did when porting Linux/MLPPP to OpenWrt for MIPS, etc. > Why did you fork? I can imagine reasons but it would be good to know > yours. > We wanted to avoid a fork, but the prevailing factor for OpenWrt/MLPPP became ease of use. The product requires a non-default (for OpenWrt) kernel config and a MLPPP-related kernel patch, a non-default web interface (webif instead of luci) modified by us, plus all the userspace MLPPP code and scripts. While it's possible to compile the kernel patch into a replacement ppp kernel module and perhaps bring everything else down to a couple of .ipk, installing it like that over a stock OpenWrt would still not be trivial for non-technical end users. It would also require them running the correct version of OpenWrt - we based alpha 1 on 8.09.2 for various reasons. This is why we've chosen to provide pre-compiled binary images - the focus is on anyone being able to download the firmware, flash it, and config from the GUI. This doesn't preclude the technically-inclined from doing whatever they'd like to do. Another major reason was hardware; as I mentioned in the announcement, we're working on a complementary CPE (hardware). The end goal here is to sell pre-flashed and pre-configured units to our subscribers. Part of the hardware effort involves more kernel modification in the form of driver development for hardware currently not supported by OpenWrt. > Thanks for this work and thanks for announcing it here. > Thanks for taking an interest in this. For better or for worse, MLPPP for resi use wouldn't have seen such exposure or development if it weren't for Bell's recent tactics. If anyone here is testing this out, feedback is most welcome. Erik -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 28 02:23:23 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:23:23 -0500 Subject: getting rid of paper files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100228022323.GA30064@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 05:35:54PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > We have boxes and boxes of paper files -- various kinds of records. These > records continue to flow in. They are not uniform: there are many kinds > of records. > > This is a small organization -- only a couple of us need to access the > files. > > Some files must be retained for a long time. > > I'm wondering if it is practical to move this stuff to disks. > > - we need to be able to scan the files quickly and easily for this to be > practical. Initially batches would be scanned, but eventually paper > would be scanned as it dribbles in. > > - we need to be able to find the files long after they are captured. So > some kind of index structure is needed. It needs to be flexible and > simple. > > - at least some of thethe files need to preserved forever. So a simple > and open system is important. An active discipline of duplicating and > porting will be required. > > - the records are for more than one entity so it would be good to be able > to keep them separable. > > Is anything like this available? Simple? Cheap? Fast? Good? > Supported by open source? > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a scanner that will do decent sheet > feeding, isn't too big, has Linux support, and isn't too expensive? Are > MFCs reasonable? > > (I acquired a Canon DR-3080C sheetfed scanner from FreeCycle. It > looked plausible. Unfortunately, there is no Linux support. Even the > MS Windows support is hard to get. > > has a driver that only supports XP and earlier and the CapturePerfect > software will only update a previously installed version. This kind > of hardware might otherwise be appropriate.) Does it HAVE to be Linux supported? At work, we have "all-in-one" machine (rather expensive) that scans and drops the files on network directory. We, then, pick up the files from there. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 28 02:48:10 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:48:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Toys: MythTV clients Message-ID: This long message contains some field notes on my experiences with different MythTV backends. I have a couple of MythTV backends. These machines record programs TV for me off Rogers Cable (SD, analogue) and serve them to MythTV Front Ends (AKA clients). My main client has been a Small Form Factor Dell GX115 (Pentium 3 866MHz, 512M, ATI video card with TV-out). This works fine for SD on my old TV. So why do I want to change front-ends? - the Dell makes too much noise - TV-out has been difficult (support in X comes and goes) - the SFF isn't small enough - the Dell probably won't reasonably support our new 1920x1080 digital TV (our main TV is still the old one) - it is fun to muck about (sometimes) Things I'm experimenting with: - WDTV-LIVE - AppleTV - Acer Aspire Revo "nettop" WDTV-Live: - ought to be wonderful: cheap ($129), small, low power, HDTV-out is possible, runs Linux - does not seem to understand our Myth boxes' UPnP server. UPnP is probably a bad choice anyway since it may not support fast forward and reverse. I've heard suggestions that it is better to run a different UPnP server on the myth backend but I haven't tried that - I haven't gotten SMB to work. Not a lost cause yet: I haven't tried hard at that - does not seem to play a myth file even when it is delivered via USB flash memory stick - the failures did not come with useful diagnostics. AppleTV - small, quiet, cheap (only about $180 for the 40G refurb model from the Apple Store; Apple refurbs come with the same warranty as new) - although it is an Apple product and locked down to force you to get stuff from the iTunes store, the security has been broken. It runs a stripped-down version of an earlier release of Mac OSX. - The AppleTV is a little PC, mostly. It runs a low power Core Solo processor. - It never powers off so it is always warm. Lots of folks dislike the constant draw of 17W (roughly). - can run MythTV, but the port is missing something to start it up properly - I run XBMC (originally known as XBox Media Center). It can talk to MythTV backends. My two backends run different versions of MythTV so no Myth box could talk to both but XMBC can. - The AppleTV can drive analogue and digital TVs. In currently using component out to drive my old TV. - The AppleTV may not be able to drive 1080i, at least not while decoding some kinds of video. Some AppleTV / XBMC folks have figured out how to replace the MiniPCI wireless card with a Broadcom Crystal HD card to speed up the decoding. I don't need one at this time. - The AppleTV can play Youtube videos, iTunes podcasts, and internet radio. I've found that mildly amusing. (My computers don't have Flash so Youtube is a bit of a novelty.) - the remote is confusingly small. Very few buttons. It does work. Acer Aspire Revo AR1600 "nettop" - not too expensive: I paid $229 + some tax from an NCIX sale. - single Atom core, 1G RAM, 160G 2.5" drive, nVidia ION video, "linux boot" - was described as "linux boot" so I thought I was going to get my first machine to be delivered with Linux. Not that I had much hope for Linpus. Well, it was delivered with only OpenDOS! - a very cute little box. A little hard to crack (I added another 1G DDR2 SODIMM; $10 from the Source last week). Came with a small wireless keyboard and mouse (the little USB dongle can be stowed in the mouse). - it came with a mounting bracket that lets you attach it to the back of a monitor if the monitor has VESA mounting holes. I was surprised to learn that TV monitors don't come with VESA holes. - the Atom is probably about as powerful as the AppleTV's CPU. But the ION is good for decoding video. So the Revo is better than the AppleTV for driving a TV. The Revo cannot drive analogue (eg. component out) so the AppleTV works with my old TV but the Revo will not. I use HDMI to connect both video and audio of the Revo and my digital TV. - I run Ubuntu 9.10 + XBMC. Few problems. Turn off desktop effects because they confuse XBMC. - Flash does not exploit the ION on Linux (I think that there is a new version that can do so on MS Windows). So Flash doesn't work as well as it should. - the remote (keyboard and mouse) is confusingly large. - takes longer to start than the AppleTV since the Revo can actually be turned off XBMC - seems pretty cute. Lots of capabilities that I've not explored. - I don't like the presentation of the list of available recordings as much as Myth's own front-end or even MythWeb's - does not allow scheduling recordings the way Myth front-end and MythWeb does - can actually talk to several Myth back-ends and they need not be matching versions (all MythTV systems talking to each other must be running the same version) - great community: I got help via IRC and their web forum, some from the actual author or porter. - great that it can run on Linux, MacOSX (including AppleTV variant), and MS Windows. I think that only older versions support the (original) XBox and do it with Linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 28 04:49:30 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:49:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Announcing OpenWrt/MLPPP - multilink firmware for consumer routers - Caneris & Acanac In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: | From: Erik L | > MLPPP support is clearly useful and I'm glad support for it is no | > longer limited to Tomato (I was previously unaware of Linux/MLPPP but | > it is (was?) limited to x86). | > | IIRC, Linux/MLPPP is x86 only but I guess you should be able to | cross-compile the source code for a different arch, much as we did when | porting Linux/MLPPP to OpenWrt for MIPS, etc. The announcement of LinuxMLPPP said x86-only and nothing as prominent says otherwise. All code for little routers is cross-compiled as far as I know so the limitation could not be based on that issue. | > Why did you fork? I can imagine reasons but it would be good to know | > yours. | | We wanted to avoid a fork, but the prevailing factor for OpenWrt/MLPPP | became ease of use. Good goal. One that raw OpenWRT won't accomplish. | The product requires 1: | a non-default (for OpenWrt) kernel config and 2: | a MLPPP-related kernel patch, 3: | a non-default web interface (webif instead of luci) modified by us, 4: | plus all the userspace MLPPP code and scripts. | While it's possible to compile the kernel patch | into a replacement ppp kernel module and perhaps bring everything else | down to a couple of .ipk, installing it like that over a stock OpenWrt | would still not be trivial for non-technical end users. Agreed. | It would also | require them running the correct version of OpenWrt - we based alpha 1 | on 8.09.2 for various reasons. | This is why we've chosen to provide | pre-compiled binary images - the focus is on anyone being able to | download the firmware, flash it, and config from the GUI. All that makes sense. | This doesn't | preclude the technically-inclined from doing whatever they'd like to do. What I'd like (without knowing the background) is: - as much code as makes sense should be upstreamed. This might mean trying to get it into the OpenWRT tree or even getting some of it into Linus' kernel tree. + this takes effort. The embedded field is full of folks who don't make the effort and it makes for a lot of (badly) duplicated work. Some of the effort is making the code good enough for the gatekeepers but that is often constructive. + it takes time. But if you don't start, it will never get done. + it means that the code that you add will need maintenance within the upstream tree to adapt to changes in that tree. Then your code will no longer come with the caveat "only works with 8.09.2". There is a claim that code accepted within an upstream tree gets some maintenance "for free", i.e. done by upstream maintainers. An example is when an internal kernel interface changes, the person making that change usually updates the code that uses that interface. On the other hand, out-of-tree patches tend to suffer from bitrot. - OpenWRT/MLPP could/should then become a nice place to pick up binaries, kind of like x-wrt . Those binaries could and should be subject to your quality control regime. That may well mean pegging the OpenWRT tree that you use. You would (eventually) use the stock OpenWRT tree but build it with your options. | Another major reason was hardware; as I mentioned in the announcement, | we're working on a complementary CPE (hardware). The end goal here is to | sell pre-flashed and pre-configured units to our subscribers. A very good idea. But I don't see why a fork helps. | Part of | the hardware effort involves more kernel modification in the form of | driver development for hardware currently not supported by OpenWrt. Can you not upstream that too? That would seem very valuable. | Thanks for taking an interest in this. For better or for worse, MLPPP | for resi use wouldn't have seen such exposure or development if it | weren't for Bell's recent tactics. Yeah. Is anyone actually using MLPP for its original purpose? By making it easier, I guess you are inviting Bell to notice this trick and swat it. I cannot understand how the CRTC let Bell do this. Thanks again! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From erik_list-etARiVBfTZtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 28 13:55:53 2010 From: erik_list-etARiVBfTZtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Erik L) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:55:53 -0500 Subject: Announcing OpenWrt/MLPPP - multilink firmware for consumer routers - Caneris & Acanac In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: > > The announcement of LinuxMLPPP said x86-only and nothing as prominent > says otherwise. > > All code for little routers is cross-compiled as far as I know so the > limitation could not be based on that issue. > Nope, there wasn't anything special that limited it to x86. Very roughly, it consists of a kernel patch, modified pppd, config db, and shell scripts. Adam provides a great description of it here: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r23788729- > - as much code as makes sense should be upstreamed. This might mean > trying to get it into the OpenWRT tree or even getting some of it > into Linus' kernel tree. > That's the idea. I believe the Linux/MLPPP guys would have submitted their kernel patch upstream, but you know how it is...we need something now, not in a year when it trickles down. > + this takes effort. The embedded field is full of folks who don't > make the effort and it makes for a lot of (badly) duplicated work. > Some of the effort is making the code good enough for the > gatekeepers but that is often constructive. > > + it takes time. But if you don't start, it will never get done. > > + it means that the code that you add will need maintenance within > the upstream tree to adapt to changes in that tree. Then your > code will no longer come with the caveat "only works with 8.09.2". > > There is a claim that code accepted within an upstream tree gets > some maintenance "for free", i.e. done by upstream maintainers. > An example is when an internal kernel interface changes, the > person making that change usually updates the code that uses that > interface. On the other hand, out-of-tree patches tend to suffer > from bitrot. > Agreed with everything - perhaps eventually we'd not have a fork, but just have this built down to 1-2 .ipk. We had to start somewhere and this is just alpha 1. > - OpenWRT/MLPP could/should then become a nice place to pick up > binaries, kind of like x-wrt . Those binaries > could and should be subject to your quality control regime. That > may well mean pegging the OpenWRT tree that you use. > Makes sense. > > | Another major reason was hardware; as I mentioned in the > announcement, > | we're working on a complementary CPE (hardware). The end > goal here is to > | sell pre-flashed and pre-configured units to our subscribers. > > A very good idea. But I don't see why a fork helps. > > | Part of > | the hardware effort involves more kernel modification in > the form of > | driver development for hardware currently not supported by OpenWrt. > > Can you not upstream that too? That would seem very valuable. > Of course, but again, we need something now! Unless we end up doing a proprietary driver (let me guess, I'll be shot for saying that here), there's no reason not to upstream, except it takes too long for the code to go into the Linux tree, then trickle down to OpenWrt, etc. > Yeah. Is anyone actually using MLPP for its original purpose? > > By making it easier, I guess you are inviting Bell to notice this > trick and swat it. > Our focus here is on multiple lines, not evading the throttling, though of course the latter is useful too (we also have another workaround for throttling, a free SSH tunnel service for all Caneris DSL subscribers). As far as the multiple lines, if we had access to higher speeds on GAS, this would have never taken off for resi. MLPPP is too important for biz and too difficult for Bell to mess with, so it's unlikely to go away anytime soon. Erik -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 28 20:25:08 2010 From: edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (edward chin) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:25:08 -0500 Subject: getting rid of paper files In-Reply-To: <20100228022323.GA30064-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100228022323.GA30064@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <8369b0fa1002281225w32fd7c8cra9315a70418c67da@mail.gmail.com> If I understand the situation correctly, you need a way of indexing numerous paper documents and retaining a scanned copy of each. >From a legal, artistic, or creative perspective, a copy is not an acceptable substitute for the original. So, you still have the problem of organising and storing the originals. This sounds more like a database issue. Scanning provides only the convenience of viewing a document before beginning a search for the original. > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 05:35:54PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> We have boxes and boxes of paper files -- various kinds of records. ?These >> records continue to flow in. ?They are not uniform: there are many kinds >> of records. >> >> Some files must be retained for a long time. >> >> >> - at least some of thethe files need to preserved forever. ?So a simple >> ? and open system is important. ?An active discipline of duplicating and >> ? porting will be required. >> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 28 20:36:16 2010 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:36:16 -0500 Subject: Using an IRC Bouncer? Message-ID: Has anyone had any success with using an IRC Bouncer, like ZNC? Also where do all the GTALUG people hang out on IRC? -- Myles Braithwaite http://mylesbraithwaite.com | me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 28 20:54:51 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:54:51 -0500 Subject: getting rid of paper files In-Reply-To: <8369b0fa1002281225w32fd7c8cra9315a70418c67da-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20100228022323.GA30064@node1.opengeometry.net> <8369b0fa1002281225w32fd7c8cra9315a70418c67da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B8AD81B.1090104@dinamis.com> On 02/28/2010 03:25 PM, edward chin wrote: > If I understand the situation correctly, you need a way of indexing > numerous paper documents and retaining a scanned copy of each. > > From a legal, artistic, or creative perspective, a copy is not an > acceptable substitute for the original. I notice that CIBC is scanning cheques and archiving them digitally. I don't know if they keep the originals or not but I know that they don't return them to me. My understanding is that this is acceptable to RevCan so if it works in that case, why shouldn't it work in Hugh's case? The concept of "original" is pretty fuzzy when anyone can scan, create, or otherwise modify "originals" using commonly-available software. And what is an "original" when it comes to something like an invoice? Is it the first copy out of the printer? Is it the representation of the invoice as ones and zeros on the vendor's computer? Is it the copy that the vendor sends by postal mail to me, which may be the Nth copy that they printed? Is it the PDF that they put on their web site that I fetch and subsequently make multiple copies of in my backups? Is the first copy of the PDF "the original"? The paper invoicing and payments system is a house of cards that survives only because most people are honest and presumably, the cost of fraud is lower than the cost of changing the system to something more secure. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 28 21:45:04 2010 From: edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (edward chin) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:45:04 -0500 Subject: getting rid of paper files In-Reply-To: <4B8AD81B.1090104-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100228022323.GA30064@node1.opengeometry.net> <8369b0fa1002281225w32fd7c8cra9315a70418c67da@mail.gmail.com> <4B8AD81B.1090104@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <8369b0fa1002281345i2d478139o8240caa4ed4afdbc@mail.gmail.com> The CRA requires original documents when they conduct an audit. Elections Canada requires original documents. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 3:54 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 02/28/2010 03:25 PM, edward chin wrote: >> >> If I understand the situation correctly, you need a way of indexing >> numerous paper documents and retaining a scanned copy of each. >> >> From a legal, artistic, or creative perspective, a copy is not an >> acceptable substitute for the original. > > I notice that CIBC is scanning cheques and archiving them digitally. I don't > know if they keep the originals or not but I know that they don't return > them to me. My understanding is that this is acceptable to RevCan so if it > works in that case, why shouldn't it work in Hugh's case? > > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada ?M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 28 21:45:11 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:45:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: last day to register inexpensively for (Ottawa) Linux Symposium Message-ID: The Symposium is in Ottawa again this year. July 13-16 http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2010/ The normal registration charge goes from $275+GST (today) to $300+GST (tomorrow). The web page says you can get a full refund if you cancel before June 1. I just registered. I've enjoyed every OLS I've attended (all but one or two). Last year was a bit weak for some reason, but it was still worthwhile. Possible reasons for weakness: - economy tanked - people chose to go to another show - change of venue to Montreal -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 28 21:57:43 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:57:43 -0500 Subject: last day to register inexpensively for (Ottawa) Linux Symposium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c50d3571002281357w4eb2d052q1d88d0dc8ce5b278@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 16:45, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > The Symposium is in Ottawa again this year. ?July 13-16 > http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2010/ > > The normal registration charge goes from $275+GST (today) to $300+GST > (tomorrow). ?The web page says you can get a full refund if you cancel > before June 1. > > I just registered. > > I've enjoyed every OLS I've attended (all but one or two). ?Last year > was a bit weak for some reason, but it was still worthwhile. ?Possible > reasons for weakness: > - economy tanked > - people chose to go to another show > - change of venue to Montreal $275 is expensive if you don't have that kind of money, or a job. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 28 22:42:16 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:42:16 -0500 Subject: last day to register inexpensively for (Ottawa) Linux Symposium In-Reply-To: <7c50d3571002281357w4eb2d052q1d88d0dc8ce5b278-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3571002281357w4eb2d052q1d88d0dc8ce5b278@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > $275 is expensive if you don't have that kind of money, or a job. Well, for the convenience of the large number of kernel hackers that spend *thousands* of dollars to fly in from all over (e.g. - transcontinental flights), they need to have a location that allows them to spend their time in valuable ways. *Someone* has got to pay for it, and I see no particular problem with the costs being spread across the attendees. It's cheap in comparison with (say) professional society conferences; a quick browse shows that ACM, IEEE, Usenix, INFORMS all tend to charge about twice that much, typically offering discounts about equal to annual professional membership fees. OLS needs to pay for a venue, just the same as anyone else. And I think Stallman would agree with the notion of them charging as much as possible. He even says such, albeit in the context of selling software, rather than conference registration, but I don't think there's any contradiction there. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 28 22:54:32 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:54:32 -0500 Subject: getting rid of paper files In-Reply-To: <8369b0fa1002281345i2d478139o8240caa4ed4afdbc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20100228022323.GA30064@node1.opengeometry.net> <8369b0fa1002281225w32fd7c8cra9315a70418c67da@mail.gmail.com> <4B8AD81B.1090104@dinamis.com> <8369b0fa1002281345i2d478139o8240caa4ed4afdbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B8AF428.6020707@rogers.com> edward chin wrote: > The CRA requires original documents when they conduct an audit. > Elections Canada requires original documents. > Isn't there also a limit on how long original documents have to be retained? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 28 22:57:29 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:57:29 -0500 Subject: getting rid of paper files In-Reply-To: <8369b0fa1002281345i2d478139o8240caa4ed4afdbc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20100228022323.GA30064@node1.opengeometry.net> <8369b0fa1002281225w32fd7c8cra9315a70418c67da@mail.gmail.com> <4B8AD81B.1090104@dinamis.com> <8369b0fa1002281345i2d478139o8240caa4ed4afdbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B8AF4D9.1070303@dinamis.com> On 02/28/2010 04:45 PM, edward chin wrote: > The CRA requires original documents when they conduct an audit. > Elections Canada requires original documents. So how do those "original documents" work when they're a PDF? It's not exactly uncommon for vendors to send PDF invoices these days. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 28 23:13:44 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:13:44 -0500 Subject: getting rid of paper files In-Reply-To: <4B8AF4D9.1070303-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100228022323.GA30064@node1.opengeometry.net> <8369b0fa1002281225w32fd7c8cra9315a70418c67da@mail.gmail.com> <4B8AD81B.1090104@dinamis.com> <8369b0fa1002281345i2d478139o8240caa4ed4afdbc@mail.gmail.com> <4B8AF4D9.1070303@dinamis.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:57 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 02/28/2010 04:45 PM, edward chin wrote: >> >> The CRA requires original documents when they conduct an audit. >> Elections Canada requires original documents. > > So how do those "original documents" work when they're a PDF? It's not > exactly uncommon for vendors to send PDF invoices these days. You get thrown in jail on charges of, um, "unoriginality." :-) -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists