From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 07:09:10 2010 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 02:09:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Writing over a drive using /dev/zero In-Reply-To: <20101130015320.GB9733-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20101130015320.GB9733@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 11:55:16AM -0500, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote > >> Any thoughts? Thanks! > > The only thing I have to add is that if you're trying to securely wipe > a drive, you should use /dev/urandom instead of /dev/zero. And if CSIS > or CIA really want the data, they might still be able to retreive most > of it. If you really, really want to guarantee the data won't be > retreived, you have to take out the platters and disolve them in a vat > of acid. If the data on the disk isn't *THAT* sensitive, 3 or 4 passes > with /dev/urandom will usually do the trick. Then write a new, plausible file structure on to the drive so that it doesn't look as if it has been wiped and there might be something to recover. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 12:54:52 2010 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 07:54:52 -0500 Subject: ups power supply In-Reply-To: References: <4CEF5EDA.3080205@gmail.com> <20101126184822.GN12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101126185050.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CF0FBE1.2000506@gmail.com> <20101129173211.GU12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101129221353.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CF4A758.8010806@gmail.com> <20101130161535.GB12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101130202241.GE12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 30 November 2010 17:39, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > I wish those things would go on sale already! Dell is currently having one of their "Days of Deals" sales. Usually one or two UPS's show up during these. There's nothing today but there will be 9 more days. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 15:24:50 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:24:50 -0500 Subject: ups power supply In-Reply-To: References: <4CF0FBE1.2000506@gmail.com> <20101129173211.GU12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101129221353.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CF4A758.8010806@gmail.com> <20101130161535.GB12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101130202241.GE12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20101201152450.GI12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 07:54:52AM -0500, Scott Allen wrote: > On 30 November 2010 17:39, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > > I wish those things would go on sale already! > > Dell is currently having one of their "Days of Deals" sales. Usually > one or two UPS's show up during these. There's nothing today but there > will be 9 more days. > I keep hoping. Even $300 for a SmartUPS 1500 would be OK. :) $200 would of course be ideal to see again. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 17:19:04 2010 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 12:19:04 -0500 Subject: [Bulk] Re:Writing over a drive using /dev/zero In-Reply-To: References: <20101130015320.GB9733@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <4CF68388.6020503@rogers.com> On 30/11/10 11:42 AM, William Muriithi wrote: > > This is something I am very doubtful about. In fact, I am reasonably > as in 80 % sure it impossible to extract data from a drive that has > been overwritten with zeros using dd. You do not have to fill it, > lets say overwrite 60% of the drive. Back when 1.2M floppies were common, the recording surface used for each bit of data was huge. Also, the write head alignment was not very tight. The result was that if you "looked" around the recording surface (i.e. off the track), you could recover what was there, before the zeros were written. That's the explanation I remember. Of course, with today's densities, the chance of finding the old data is much slimmer than before. -- Yanni -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 18:09:26 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 13:09:26 -0500 Subject: [Bulk] Re:Writing over a drive using /dev/zero In-Reply-To: <4CF68388.6020503-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20101130015320.GB9733@waltdnes.org> <4CF68388.6020503@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Yanni Chiu wrote: > On 30/11/10 11:42 AM, William Muriithi wrote: >> >> This is something I am very doubtful about. ?In fact, I am reasonably >> as in 80 % sure it impossible to extract data from a drive that has >> been overwritten with zeros using dd. ?You do not have to fill it, >> lets say overwrite 60% of the drive. > > Back when 1.2M floppies were common, the recording surface used for each bit > of data was huge. Also, the write head alignment was not very tight. The > result was that if you "looked" around the recording surface (i.e. off the > track), you could recover what was there, before the zeros were written. > That's the explanation I remember. Of course, with today's densities, the > chance of finding the old data is much slimmer than before. Here lies the non-intuitive part of digital technology, namely the fact that it is implemented using what really are inherently analog technologies. 0 and 1 aren't absolutes - they represent things like: - 0 = signal below some threshold, 1 = signal above that threshold - 1 = enough of the region of magnetic surface "charged up," 0 = not enough "charged" As you observe, looking at the edges of tracks provides some ability to analyze what might have been recorded there before. A number of things are likely to worsen chances of getting out useful data, including all of the following sorts of things... - The filesystem is filled with linkages where a file may be scattered in pieces across the disk, with pointers to show where each chunk is. If any of those pointers wind up hard to get, the data may be "shattered" (rather like the shards resulting if you drop a glass object) such that you can't figure out what pieces to put together. - Beyond that, the applications that use the contents may have further structure within the files. Microsoft Office is infamous for this sort of thing; Word docs and such consist of dumps of COM objects, where parts of the file reference other parts of the file. But that's but one of a list of such things... - MS Office-like applications may dump binary forms of the objects stored in memory by the application - Database systems are filled with pointers-pointing-to-pointers, whether that be DBM, SQLite, MySQL(tm), Postgres - Compressed files do their compressing via having pointers pointing to pointers - Encrypted data often uses "cipher feedback mode" where subsequent blocks are seeded using data from the previous block It's entirely possible that losing a few crucial bytes of pointer data can shatter the ability to get anything back from the document or database. Someone trying to hide things could likely get some milage by, rather than simply zeroing things out, instead running mkfs, and strewing the disk with a completely different set of kinds of pointers. I suspect it's a cool idea to kill off that ext3 disk by running mkfs.xfs or mkfs.reiserfs, and running an I/O test that writes a whole lot of files, small and large. Maximize the chances of things being as wildly shattered as possible... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 20:28:38 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:28:38 -0500 Subject: [Bulk] Re:Writing over a drive using /dev/zero In-Reply-To: References: <20101130015320.GB9733@waltdnes.org> <4CF68388.6020503@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20101201202838.GA21726@node1.opengeometry.net> Cheapest solution -- open the harddisk case, remove the platter, and sandpaper the surface. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 20:30:58 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:30:58 -0500 Subject: OT: BitTorrent Based DNS To Counter US Domain Seizures & The Pirate Bay Co-Founder Starting A P2P Based DNS To Take On ICANN Message-ID: So, what does everyone think about this, of course we seem to have two competing idea, the dot-P2P have a headstart on Sunde. Here's a brief excerpt to both articles, with a link to the respective article: "BitTorrent Based DNS To Counter US Domain Seizures": "In a direct response to the domain seizures by US authorities during the last few days, a group of established enthusiasts have started working on a DNS system that can?t be touched by any governmental institution. "Ironically, considering the seizure of the Torrent-Finder meta-search engine domain, the new DNS system will be partly powered by BitTorrent. "In recent months, global anti-piracy efforts have increasingly focused on seizing domains of allegedly infringing sites. In the United States the proposed COICA bill is explicitly aimed at increasing the government?s censorship powers, but seizing a domain name is already quite easy, as illustrated by ICE and Department of Justice actions last weekend and earlier this year." http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-based-dns-to-counter-us-domain-seizures-101130/ "The Pirate Bay Co-Founder Starting A P2P Based DNS To Take On ICANN": "The Pirate Bay Co-Founder, Peter Sunde, has started a new project which will provide a decentralized p2p based DNS system. This is a direct result of the increasing control which the US government has over ICANN. T"he recent seizures of around 80 domains by the US authorities only goes on to show the amount of influence the government have over the internet. There is a fear that if the US Senate passes the Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act, such instances will increase ? becoming a threat to an open internet. "As long as there is a centralized root, there is always the possibility of interference from government and other agencies. To counter this threat what Peter Sunde is suggesting is a new Domain Name System based on peer to peer technology. Such a system will be completely decentralized and hence almost impossible for the government or any other agencies to control." http://digitizor.com/2010/12/01/the-pirate-bay-co-founder-starting-a-p2p-based-dns-to-take-on-icann/ -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 20:45:18 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:45:18 -0500 Subject: [Bulk] Re:Writing over a drive using /dev/zero In-Reply-To: <20101201202838.GA21726-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20101130015320.GB9733@waltdnes.org> <4CF68388.6020503@rogers.com> <20101201202838.GA21726@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:28 PM, William Park wrote: > Cheapest solution -- open the harddisk case, remove the platter, and > sandpaper the surface. That would be very good way to destroy a drive. A while back at a trade show I saw a video by a firm that did drive destruction (for banks and other firms that get obsessive about security) where they had a series of electric motor driven hammers that repeatedly hit the drives until they were in very tiny pieces, which I think would be a little quicker and far more visually appealing than sandpaper :-) . Colin. > -- > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 21:56:15 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:56:15 -0500 Subject: ups power supply In-Reply-To: <20101201152450.GI12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4CF0FBE1.2000506@gmail.com> <20101129173211.GU12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101129221353.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CF4A758.8010806@gmail.com> <20101130161535.GB12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101130202241.GE12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101201152450.GI12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 07:54:52AM -0500, Scott Allen wrote: >> On 30 November 2010 17:39, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> > I wish those things would go on sale already! >> >> Dell is currently having one of their "Days of Deals" sales. Usually >> one or two UPS's show up during these. There's nothing today but there >> will be 9 more days. >> > > I keep hoping. ?Even $300 for a SmartUPS 1500 would be OK. :) ?$200 > would of course be ideal to see again. > > -- Well I had $100 gift card and went to futureshop and got the following UPS http://bit.ly/gIMJoe grand & toy is selling it for $129 so they gave me the discount. The battery can be pulled out easily and replaced. However it claims on the site, 'Up to 121 minutes runtime' which I don't believe!, this much be on sleep mode =P -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-22-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 22:13:14 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:13:14 -0500 Subject: How to disable Gnome panel? Message-ID: I've tried a couple of methods that I found from searching, but they do not work. I used the Configuration Editor (gconf) to change required programs from gnome-panel to avant-window-navigator, and I've made sure that it is not in the list of Startup Programs. Also, I've disabled the checkbox for 'remember running programs' in session manager. Any other ideas? Many thanks! -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 22:21:06 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:21:06 -0500 Subject: [Bulk] Re:Writing over a drive using /dev/zero In-Reply-To: References: <20101130015320.GB9733@waltdnes.org> <4CF68388.6020503@rogers.com> <20101201202838.GA21726@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20101201222106.GA28680@yam.witteman.ca> On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 03:45:18PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: >On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:28 PM, William Park wrote: >> Cheapest solution -- open the harddisk case, remove the platter, and >> sandpaper the surface. > >That would be very good way to destroy a drive. A while back at a >trade show I saw a video by a firm that did drive destruction (for >banks and other firms that get obsessive about security) where they >had a series of electric motor driven hammers that repeatedly hit the >drives until they were in very tiny pieces, which I think would be a >little quicker and far more visually appealing than sandpaper :-) . I have always used my plumbing torch (propane) for this - magnets lose their properties quite thoroughly when heated, and the heating required for thin platters is very easily accomplished. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 22:34:26 2010 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:34:26 -0500 Subject: ups power supply In-Reply-To: References: <4CF0FBE1.2000506@gmail.com> <20101129173211.GU12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101129221353.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CF4A758.8010806@gmail.com> <20101130161535.GB12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101130202241.GE12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101201152450.GI12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 1 December 2010 16:56, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Well I had $100 gift card and went to futureshop and got the following > UPS http://bit.ly/gIMJoe Since this UPS outputs a "Stepped approximation to a sinewave" instead of a true sinewave. (As has been mentioned before,) you may have trouble if it's used with anything with an active PFC power supply. > The battery can be pulled out easily and replaced. The battery pack for this thing looks expensive. Then again, it may just two standard size batteries joined with some custom connector hardware. > However it claims on the site, 'Up to 121 minutes runtime' which I > don't believe!, this much be on sleep mode =P According the the graph on APCs web site, it will run that long with about a 50W resistive load. With a more realistic 250W load, its more like 20 minutes. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 22:37:12 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:37:12 -0500 Subject: ups power supply In-Reply-To: References: <20101129221353.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CF4A758.8010806@gmail.com> <20101130161535.GB12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101130202241.GE12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101201152450.GI12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20101201223712.GJ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 04:56:15PM -0500, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Well I had $100 gift card and went to futureshop and got the following > UPS http://bit.ly/gIMJoe > > grand & toy is selling it for $129 so they gave me the discount. The > battery can be pulled out easily and replaced. > > However it claims on the site, 'Up to 121 minutes runtime' which I > don't believe!, this much be on sleep mode =P Well that should work with apcupsd under linux. I imagine it can handle about 600 or 700W load (although with probably only 3 to 5 minutes run time then). As long as you have an old fashioned power supply it should work fine. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 22:59:42 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:59:42 -0500 Subject: How to disable Gnome panel? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > I've tried a couple of methods that I found from searching, but they > do not work. I used the Configuration Editor (gconf) to change > required programs from gnome-panel to avant-window-navigator, and I've > made sure that it is not in the list of Startup Programs. Also, I've > disabled the checkbox for 'remember running programs' in session > manager. > > Any other ideas? > > Many thanks! > Nailed it! You need to go in ~./config/gnome-session/saved-session and clear it out, then log out and in. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 05:40:13 2010 From: daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org (Daniel Wayne Armstrong) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 00:40:13 -0500 Subject: [Bulk] Re:Writing over a drive using /dev/zero In-Reply-To: References: <20101130015320.GB9733@waltdnes.org> <4CF68388.6020503@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > Here lies the non-intuitive part of digital technology, namely the > fact that it is implemented using what really are inherently analog > technologies. ?0 and 1 aren't absolutes - they represent things like: > - 0 = signal below some threshold, 1 = signal above that threshold > - 1 = enough of the region of magnetic surface "charged up," 0 = not > enough "charged" That is an interesting observation... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 13:27:16 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 08:27:16 -0500 Subject: [Bulk] Re:Writing over a drive using /dev/zero In-Reply-To: References: <20101130015320.GB9733@waltdnes.org> <4CF68388.6020503@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4CF79EB4.3010004@rogers.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > Here lies the non-intuitive part of digital technology, namely the > fact that it is implemented using what really are inherently analog > technologies. 0 and 1 aren't absolutes - they represent things like: > - 0 = signal below some threshold, 1 = signal above that threshold > - 1 = enough of the region of magnetic surface "charged up," 0 = not > enough "charged" Actually, magnetic recording relies on the direction of magnetic domains on the recording surface, so a "1" would have most of the magnetic domains in one direction and a "0" would be in the opposite direction. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 13:54:01 2010 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 08:54:01 -0500 Subject: Making disc images In-Reply-To: References: <20101123170930.GA30329@yam.witteman.ca> <20101123174741.GL12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4CF7A4F9.8020903@gmail.com> On 11/23/2010 1:06 PM, Giles Orr wrote: ... > One thing to keep in mind when cloning Windows is that it does use > some unique identifiers (the only ones that come to mind right now are > the IP address if you're not using DHCP and the Windows license > number) that need to be changed by hand on each install. > The licensing can burn you too. It's important to go by the book. If they're really identical and they all have OEM licenses, and you generated the image from an OEM preload, consider some of the parameters on sysprep to ensure that the license keys are unique on the machines. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302577 If you don't do this, Windows Genuine Advantage(tm) might give your users serious problems in the near future. My info might be out of date, so it might take a bit more research for the latest fixpacks and WGA stuff. As an aside... back in the day, Microsoft told me that the OEM licenses did not permit "advanced" imaging techniques, and that even though a machine shipped with XP Professional, it was not permissible to blow away the crap-filled factory image and put a fresh copy on the machine. You had to either do a "factory restore" or buy a new corporate license. The information about this would come with the original media Microsoft would have shipped from which the clone master was generated. Remember too, that it's "piracy" to create more than one backup copy of the "original media" or to distribute copies to support staff unless your agreements expressly permit it. If there are additional complex considerations, opaque licenses to unravel, artificial costs and artifically inflated efforts involved in doing things legally, then it should be factored into the cost of the Microsoft platform. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 16:02:08 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 11:02:08 -0500 Subject: Making disc images In-Reply-To: <4CF7A4F9.8020903-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20101123170930.GA30329@yam.witteman.ca> <20101123174741.GL12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CF7A4F9.8020903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101202160208.GK12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 02, 2010 at 08:54:01AM -0500, Mike Kallies wrote: > The licensing can burn you too. It's important to go by the book. > > If they're really identical and they all have OEM licenses, and you > generated the image from an OEM preload, consider some of the parameters > on sysprep to ensure that the license keys are unique on the machines. > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302577 > > If you don't do this, Windows Genuine Advantage(tm) might give your > users serious problems in the near future. My info might be out of > date, so it might take a bit more research for the latest fixpacks and > WGA stuff. > > As an aside... back in the day, Microsoft told me that the OEM licenses > did not permit "advanced" imaging techniques, and that even though a > machine shipped with XP Professional, it was not permissible to blow > away the crap-filled factory image and put a fresh copy on the machine. > You had to either do a "factory restore" or buy a new corporate > license. The information about this would come with the original media > Microsoft would have shipped from which the clone master was generated. I seem to remember reading that volume licensing was in fact based on the idea that the machines already had OEM windows licenses, so you were essentially paying your volume license to allow upgrading to a more flexible or perhaps newer windows version on all your machines and to permit imaging to be used. > Remember too, that it's "piracy" to create more than one backup copy of > the "original media" or to distribute copies to support staff unless > your agreements expressly permit it. > > If there are additional complex considerations, opaque licenses to > unravel, artificial costs and artifically inflated efforts involved in > doing things legally, then it should be factored into the cost of the > Microsoft platform. Confusing and frequently changing. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 16:55:44 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 11:55:44 -0500 Subject: Making disc images In-Reply-To: <20101202160208.GK12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20101123170930.GA30329@yam.witteman.ca> <20101123174741.GL12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CF7A4F9.8020903@gmail.com> <20101202160208.GK12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 2 December 2010 11:02, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 02, 2010 at 08:54:01AM -0500, Mike Kallies wrote: >> The licensing can burn you too. ?It's important to go by the book. >> >> If they're really identical and they all have OEM licenses, and you >> generated the image from an OEM preload, consider some of the parameters >> on sysprep to ensure that the license keys are unique on the machines. >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302577 >> >> If you don't do this, Windows Genuine Advantage(tm) might give your >> users serious problems in the near future. ?My info might be out of >> date, so it might take a bit more research for the latest fixpacks and >> WGA stuff. >> >> As an aside... back in the day, Microsoft told me that the OEM licenses >> did not permit "advanced" imaging techniques, and that even though a >> machine shipped with XP Professional, it was not permissible to blow >> away the crap-filled factory image and put a fresh copy on the machine. >> ?You had to either do a "factory restore" or buy a new corporate >> license. ?The information about this would come with the original media >> Microsoft would have shipped from which the clone master was generated. > > I seem to remember reading that volume licensing was in fact based on > the idea that the machines already had OEM windows licenses, so you > were essentially paying your volume license to allow upgrading to a more > flexible or perhaps newer windows version on all your machines and to > permit imaging to be used. Think volume licensing allow you to install Window to multiple machines from the same platter. You may need to pay more to use a newer version of Windows or whatever software is volume licensed. Volume license is therefore friendly to imaging, I would assume. That being said, as long as you have an OEM license for every machine in your possession, I do not think the would nail you for installing all system from one image. Their lawyers would find it hard to prove they have a case. > >> Remember too, that it's "piracy" to create more than one backup copy of >> the "original media" or to distribute copies to support staff unless >> your agreements expressly permit it. >> >> If there are additional complex considerations, opaque licenses to >> unravel, artificial costs and artifically inflated efforts involved in >> doing things legally, then it should be factored into the cost of the >> Microsoft platform. > > Confusing and frequently changing. > I have used acronis for Window system imaging and its fine. Works well too across hardware from different vendors, but you need an extra license for that. > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 17:08:37 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 12:08:37 -0500 Subject: Making disc images In-Reply-To: References: <20101123170930.GA30329@yam.witteman.ca> <20101123174741.GL12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CF7A4F9.8020903@gmail.com> <20101202160208.GK12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20101202170837.GL12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 02, 2010 at 11:55:44AM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: > Think volume licensing allow you to install Window to multiple > machines from the same platter. You may need to pay more to use a > newer version of Windows or whatever software is volume licensed. > > Volume license is therefore friendly to imaging, I would assume. > > That being said, as long as you have an OEM license for every machine > in your possession, I do not think the would nail you for installing > all system from one image. Their lawyers would find it hard to prove > they have a case. The OEM version for your machine often doesn't require a license key to be entered. It gets it from some part of the BIOS. Your volume license media or other media would require one. They can certainly tell, and they would not have any difficulty making a case. It is complicated and potentially expensive to work in the Windows world. I am happy I don't. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 07:23:59 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 02:23:59 -0500 Subject: ups power supply In-Reply-To: References: <4CF0FBE1.2000506@gmail.com> <20101129173211.GU12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101129221353.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CF4A758.8010806@gmail.com> <20101130161535.GB12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101130202241.GE12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101201152450.GI12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4CF89B0F.4050004@gmail.com> On 10-12-01 05:34 PM, Scott Allen wrote: > On 1 December 2010 16:56, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> Well I had $100 gift card and went to futureshop and got the following >> UPS http://bit.ly/gIMJoe > > Since this UPS outputs a "Stepped approximation to a sinewave" instead > of a true sinewave. (As has been mentioned before,) you may have > trouble if it's used with anything with an active PFC power supply. > >> The battery can be pulled out easily and replaced. > > The battery pack for this thing looks expensive. Then again, it may > just two standard size batteries joined with some custom connector > hardware. > >> However it claims on the site, 'Up to 121 minutes runtime' which I >> don't believe!, this much be on sleep mode =P > > According the the graph on APCs web site, it will run that long with > about a 50W resistive load. With a more realistic 250W load, its more > like 20 minutes. > Here is my report on the operations of my new UPS: I got the UPS unit fully charged, plugged it in for about 24. I attached my Box, it has 3 Hard-drives and I got a HP L2445m 24 inch LCD Monitor running off UPS. The UPS has a nice LCD display that gives you some stats. Basically with this set-up I am using about 170W and have approx 31 min runtime. I just yanked the cord out of the power socket for the UPS to simulate a power loss and my system run flawless. The talk about stepped approximation to a sinewave had me a bit concerned. My power supply is 2 years old. I built this system myself. The power supply is your typical run of the mill type, nothing special. My load fluctuates betweet 26 to 30 % of battery capacity. I can easily add my 2nd server to this system without a problem. For the 2nd box I don't need a monitor since I can easily do a remote login in to shut-down the system. If someone is considering getting a UPS, I would recommend they check this unit out. It's excellent for a home office setup. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-22-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 15:38:12 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 10:38:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: tablets Message-ID: There are a lot of Android tablets from unknown names available these days. They come in a wide range of prices and with a wide range of features. Some are bargains and some are crap. Today only, Dell is offering the Kyros MID7015 tablet for 169.99. Supposedly $130 off the normal price. - Android 2.1 - 7" resistive display (capacitive is better but more expensive; typically you need capacitive for multitouch) - 800x480 resolution (same as the Nokia 770/n800/n810 family as tablets, but this screen is physically larger) - Telechips TCC8902 800 MHz ARM processor. I don't think that this chip is good enough to run future Androids (I don't understand why) and it won't run Flash. - 256M of RAM which is good (cheap tablets sometimes have only 128M) The other interesting thing is that the NookColor eBook is really and android tablet and has been "rooted". It is US$250, has a 7" 1024x600 capacitive display. At first glance, this looks to be a great choice. We shall see. I gave up waiting for a nice Android tablet and bought an iPad on Black Friday. Twice the price of the NookColor. Very nice (I really like the multitouch gesture for zooming), very controlled by Apple (yuck). If I hadn't, I'd be seriously checking out the Nook Color. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 15:43:37 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 10:43:37 -0500 Subject: tablets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Hugh, Did you check out the Samsung Galaxy Tab? My friend bought a week or two ago, it looks like a great device and alternative to the Ipad as well. On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:38 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > There are a lot of Android tablets from unknown names available these > days. They come in a wide range of prices and with a wide range of > features. Some are bargains and some are crap. > > > Today only, Dell is offering the Kyros MID7015 tablet for 169.99. > Supposedly $130 off the normal price. > > - Android 2.1 > > - 7" resistive display (capacitive is better but more expensive; typically > you need capacitive for multitouch) > > - 800x480 resolution (same as the Nokia 770/n800/n810 family as tablets, > but this screen is physically larger) > > - Telechips TCC8902 800 MHz ARM processor. I don't think that this chip > is good enough to run future Androids (I don't understand why) and it > won't run Flash. > > - 256M of RAM which is good (cheap tablets sometimes have only 128M) > > < > http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/E_Readers_PDAs_Handheld_Gadgets/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=A4407122 > > > > > The other interesting thing is that the NookColor eBook is really and > android tablet and has been "rooted". It is US$250, has a 7" 1024x600 > capacitive display. At first glance, this looks to be a great choice. We > shall see. > < > http://androidandme.com/2010/11/news/nook-color-gets-rooted-and-swaps-books-for-angry-birds/ > > > > > I gave up waiting for a nice Android tablet and bought an iPad on Black > Friday. Twice the price of the NookColor. Very nice (I really like the > multitouch gesture for zooming), very controlled by Apple (yuck). If I > hadn't, I'd be seriously checking out the Nook Color. > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 19:12:34 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 14:12:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: tablets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Dave Germiquet | Did you check out the Samsung Galaxy Tab? | | My friend bought a week or two ago, it looks like a great device and | alternative to the Ipad as well. No. It is more expensive than the iPad and not better for my purposes. - I don't want (to pay for) phone capabilities - I prefer the 10" form factor over the 7". That could change. - the iPad has 28% more pixels - the iPad is more mature + the Galaxy Tab is probably more open + the Galaxy Tab has a few more hardware features (camera, microSD slot, and perhaps others) + the Galaxy Tab is more open I think + the Galaxy Tab can run Flash (I don't really want to) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 19:34:21 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 14:34:21 -0500 Subject: tablets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3 December 2010 14:12, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Dave Germiquet > > | Did you check out the Samsung Galaxy Tab? > | > | My friend bought a week or two ago, it looks like a great device and > | alternative to the Ipad as well. > > No. ?It is more expensive than the iPad and not better for my > purposes. > > - I don't want (to pay for) phone capabilities > > - I prefer the 10" form factor over the 7". ?That could change. > > - the iPad has 28% more pixels > > - the iPad is more mature > > + the Galaxy Tab is probably more open > > + the Galaxy Tab has a few more hardware features (camera, microSD > ?slot, and perhaps others) > > + the Galaxy Tab is more open I think Ah, you mean its twice as much open :) > > + the Galaxy Tab can run Flash (I don't really want to) Got to agree with you here though. I would not consider a 7 inch tablet that is expensive than a 10 inch tablet. Thats not a good deal! William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 19:42:41 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 14:42:41 -0500 Subject: tablets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101203194241.GM12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 02:34:21PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: > Ah, you mean its twice as much open :) How about is is open versus it isn't open at all. > Got to agree with you here though. I would not consider a 7 inch > tablet that is expensive than a 10 inch tablet. Thats not a good > deal! It does look expensive. Of course I consider the iPad a useless brick at the moment. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 04:09:46 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 23:09:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: tablets In-Reply-To: <20101203194241.GM12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20101203194241.GM12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 02:34:21PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: | > Ah, you mean its twice as much open :) | | How about is is open versus it isn't open at all. Neither are not nearly as open as I'd like. Both need to be jailbroken. Apple doesn't pretend to be open. Android does pretend to be open. | Of course I consider the iPad a useless brick at the moment. I have not found it useless, and I've only started using it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 04:40:34 2010 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 23:40:34 -0500 Subject: UPSs and Active PFC PSUs. Message-ID: <4CF9C642.2020706@ss.org> In the recent UPS thread a major question came up about Active PFC PSUs and UPSs. I've take some time to research the issue and provide a little clarity at the best of my ability. # My Current Setup I recently got an APC 1500VA Back-up UPS myself. I have two older PCs (both doing server duty), network gear connected and a single 15" LCD attached. Currently they draw 105W of the 850W the UPS can provide, run time is an estimated 53 min. One of the machines has a 350W Active PFC PSU. I HAVE tested this load with a simulated power failure. (I pulled the plug). # Definitions: Active PFC: "Active power factor corrector" is a power electronic system that controls the amount of power drawn by a load in order to obtain a power factor as close as possible to unity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_power_factor_correction#Active_PFC Plain Language: As far as I've wrapped my head around it, it adjusts it input current to reduce the wasted power that non purely resistive load (like that of a computer) presents. # Why is Active PFC not good on some UPS models? The general gist has been that Active PFC should not be used with a UPS that does not Supply a pure sine-wave which is most consumer UPS models. Anecdotal evidence to support this claim include: - UPS shutting off when switching to battery with a Active PFC PSU - Strange Humming or Resonant noises while on battery power. # What APC has to say on the matter. http://www.apcmedia.com/salestools/RMUZ-7DTKRC_R1_EN.pdf Active PFC *CAN* be used as long as you have enough spare Wattage from the UPS. This is because Active PFC compensated for the micro loss of power during battery switch over by Drawing more current. The consumer UPS models respond to this load by shutting down when it exceeds their operating limit. According to APC's documentation, 500W UPS and greater is about the magic number that will cause this failure reaction. YMMV. As for the noise, that just the Active PFC working harder compensate for the Stepped Sine Wave that these consumer units create. It does not appear to actually be harmful to the PSU but is annoying. == Disclaimer == I am only sharing my experiences and details I have collected. I can not be held responsible for how this information is used. Any mistakes or omissions are my own. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 05:11:13 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 00:11:13 -0500 Subject: Gnumeric graph settings won't stick... ARRRRRRGH Message-ID: <20101204051113.GA30824@waltdnes.org> I have a Gnumeric spreadsheet with a few tabs of data, and a few graphs. On most graphs, the year comes up as 1990.000, 1995.000, 2000.000, etc, etc. Most of the graphs have the X-axis labels come up properly, i.e. on the bottom of the graph, but some graphs have the labels along the intercept of the Y-axis zero value. Yes, I can change the settings to something reasonable... *BUT AFTER I SAVE AND CLOSE AND RE-OPEN THE SPREADSHEET IT GOES BACK TO THE WEIRD SETTINGS THAT I DON'T LIKE*. I checked all the settings I could see, and tried some Google searching, but no luck. What am I doing wrong? -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 05:27:52 2010 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 00:27:52 -0500 Subject: OT: BitTorrent Based DNS To Counter US Domain Seizures & The Pirate Bay Co-Founder Starting A P2P Based DNS To Take On ICANN Message-ID: <29b1ed96c2acefdf568960d23f09cde8.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Hey Michael, I think you take the good with the bad. On the one hand, with a distributed DNS system, the Internet will remain a free and open space where free speech is protected. On the other hand you will have to put up with file sharing and other illegal or nasty things (like a racist website for example) that would be harder to shut down. Of course all that stuff exists on the internet already and society hasn't collapsed. It would seem the debate as to whether or not these technologies should be released is a moot point as they have already started development. Which will dominate is yet to be seen. Of course an open and free internet is being attacked on other fronts... http://www.democracynow.org/2010/12/3/abandoning_net_neutrality_fcc_chair_backs > So, what does everyone think about this, of course we seem to have two competing idea, the dot-P2P have a head start on Sunde. Here's a brief excerpt to both articles, with a link to the respective article: "BitTorrent Based DNS To Counter US Domain Seizures": > "In a direct response to the domain seizures by US authorities during the last few days, a group of established enthusiasts have started working on a DNS system that can???t be touched by any governmental institution. > "Ironically, considering the seizure of the Torrent-Finder meta-search engine domain, the new DNS system will be partly powered by > BitTorrent. > "In recent months, global anti-piracy efforts have increasingly > focused on seizing domains of allegedly infringing sites. In the United States the proposed COICA bill is explicitly aimed at > increasing the government???s censorship powers, but seizing a domain name is already quite easy, as illustrated by ICE and Department of Justice actions last weekend and earlier this year." > http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-based-dns-to-counter-us-domain-seizures-101130/ "The Pirate Bay Co-Founder Starting A P2P Based DNS To Take On ICANN": "The Pirate Bay Co-Founder, Peter Sunde, has started a new project which will provide a decentralized p2p based DNS system. This is a direct result of the increasing control which the US government has over ICANN. > T"he recent seizures of around 80 domains by the US authorities only goes on to show the amount of influence the government have over the internet. There is a fear that if the US Senate passes the Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act, such instances will increase ??? becoming a threat to an open internet. > "As long as there is a centralized root, there is always the > possibility of interference from government and other agencies. To counter this threat what Peter Sunde is suggesting is a new Domain Name System based on peer to peer technology. Such a system will be completely decentralized and hence almost impossible for the > government or any other agencies to control." > http://digitizor.com/2010/12/01/the-pirate-bay-co-founder-starting-a-p2p-based-dns-to-take-on-icann/ -- > Sincerely, > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 16:11:58 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 08:11:58 -0800 Subject: OT: BitTorrent Based DNS To Counter US Domain Seizures & The Pirate Bay Co-Founder Starting A P2P Based DNS To Take On ICANN In-Reply-To: References: <29b1ed96c2acefdf568960d23f09cde8.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: >From personal experience: I've never really had to put up with racist or nasty sites ... I just go there, similar to how I don't hang around racist people. Other than being unexpectedly/goatse'ed or rickrolled, is it really an issue? The biggest issues I've have are shared mediums,which puts the occasional asshats in the otherwise-friendly forum, email, or especially games/newsgroups. P2PDNS would neither help nor hinder that though. On 2010-12-03 9:33 PM, "Jason Carson" wrote: Hey Michael, I think you take the good with the bad. On the one hand, with a distributed DNS system, the Internet will remain a free and open space where free speech is protected. On the other hand you will have to put up with file sharing and other illegal or nasty things (like a racist website for example) that would be harder to shut down. Of course all that stuff exists on the internet already and society hasn't collapsed. It would seem the debate as to whether or not these technologies should be released is a moot point as they have already started development. Which will dominate is yet to be seen. Of course an open and free internet is being attacked on other fronts... http://www.democracynow.org/2010/12/3/abandoning_net_neutrality_fcc_chair_backs > So, what does everyone think about this, of course we seem to have two competing idea, the dot-P2P have a head start on Sunde. 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URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 23:51:49 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 18:51:49 -0500 Subject: OT: BitTorrent Based DNS To Counter US Domain Seizures & The Pirate Bay Co-Founder Starting A P2P Based DNS To Take On ICANN In-Reply-To: References: <29b1ed96c2acefdf568960d23f09cde8.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > From personal experience: > > I've never really had to put up with racist or nasty sites ... I just go > there, similar to how I don't hang around racist people. Other than being > unexpectedly/goatse'ed or rickrolled, is it really an issue? > > The biggest issues I've have are shared mediums,which puts the occasional > asshats in the otherwise-friendly forum, email, or especially > games/newsgroups. > > P2PDNS would neither help nor hinder that though. I don't think P2PDNS helps the scenario in question. The *real* problem wasn't about how the root is managed, but rather the policies used to operate the delegation of .com Not entirely surprisingly, Verisign, who is the authority managing .com, whose primary location is in Virginia, not terribly far from pretty much the entirety of the central portions of US government apparatus, seem to be fairly willing to listen to requests from the US government regarding domain names under the zone .com that is under their management. They're all in the same neighbourhood. Well, Verisign's HQ is just outside the Beltway, so just outside what is regarded as something of a "reality bending zone." (See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_the_Beltway) Fiddling with how the root is managed would have ZERO effect on that. The way to avoid the particular policies in action here would involve having a domain within some other zone, presumably one managed by an organization NOT located in the United States. In browsing the proposal, it amounted to basically defining an alternative way of doing a root zone, but didn't seem to include anything surrounding what policy would attend the delegations of names at lower levels. Enforcing metapolicies is a legal matter, not a technical matter. And going further down that road amounts to reimplementing something like ICANN. I'd see two directions: 1. One where the goal is to essentially restart Internet naming from scratch. .com, .net, .org, .ca, .us, .de, and so forth are dropped, as are any existing names within them. Reboot the Internet... 2. On the other hand, it might be joining "existing Internet" (the stuff under the present root) with new TLDs. I see more muddling of policy here. Neither seem very viable. And unless they did wacky things like forbidding domains to be delegated within the United States, it wouldn't prevent the problems that are supposedly the raison d'etre of such. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From timothyjwashington-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 02:45:05 2010 From: timothyjwashington-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Timothy Washington) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 18:45:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions Message-ID: <542893.90918.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello all, I'm looking into buying a Convenience Store. One thing I want to do is have it's inventory and POS/Cash systems upgraded. So I want to know the best linux solution to handle that (trying to avoid SAP and Oracle bloat). I found a list of Linux ERP solutions below. But I want to know how I can go about evaluating them. - http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20...17552/ERP.html Also, is there a place to look for GTA area consultants / technicians with experience setting up inventory control and other systems for convenience or retail stores. The immediate task(s) would be things like: - setup inventory control hardware & software - all product ( inventory and sales ) must be trackable by barcode - software should track - prod w/ highest sales volume - prod w/ best margin - reorder threshold - tie sales numbers to employee shifts Anyone have any experience with this? Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I want to know how I can go > about evaluating them. > -?http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20...17552/ERP.html > > Also, is there a place to look for GTA area consultants / technicians with > experience setting up inventory control and other systems for convenience or > retail stores. The immediate task(s) would be things like: > - setup inventory control hardware & software > - all product ( inventory and sales ) must be trackable by barcode > - software should track > - prod w/ highest sales volume > - prod w/ best margin > - reorder threshold > - tie sales numbers to employee shifts > > > Anyone have any experience with this? Have a word with David Patrick at Linux Caffe he certainly has experience in this area and could likely offer some suggestions in Linux POS systems... Colin. > Thanks -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From timothyjwashington-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 03:08:34 2010 From: timothyjwashington-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Timothy Washington) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 19:08:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions In-Reply-To: References: <542893.90918.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <853077.43281.qm@web111504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Aha, very interesting - I know that place. Thank-you. Tim ________________________________ From: Colin McGregor To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 9:58:08 PM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Timothy Washington wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm looking into buying a Convenience Store. One thing I want to do is have > it's inventory and POS/Cash systems upgraded. So I want to know the best > linux solution to handle that (trying to avoid SAP and Oracle bloat). I > found a list of Linux ERP solutions below. But I want to know how I can go > about evaluating them. > - http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20...17552/ERP.html > > Also, is there a place to look for GTA area consultants / technicians with > experience setting up inventory control and other systems for convenience or > retail stores. The immediate task(s) would be things like: > - setup inventory control hardware & software > - all product ( inventory and sales ) must be trackable by barcode > - software should track > - prod w/ highest sales volume > - prod w/ best margin > - reorder threshold > - tie sales numbers to employee shifts > > > Anyone have any experience with this? Have a word with David Patrick at Linux Caffe he certainly has experience in this area and could likely offer some suggestions in Linux POS systems... Colin. > Thanks -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 05:33:16 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 00:33:16 -0500 Subject: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions In-Reply-To: <542893.90918.qm-74ZYx1M47v4HBU+L9ui1Svu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <542893.90918.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20101205053316.GA12373@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Dec 04, 2010 at 06:45:05PM -0800, Timothy Washington wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm looking into buying a Convenience Store. One thing I want to do is have it's > inventory and POS/Cash systems upgraded. So I want to know the best linux > solution to handle that (trying to avoid SAP and Oracle bloat). I found a list > of Linux ERP solutions below. But I want to know how I can go about evaluating > them. > - http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20...17552/ERP.html > > Also, is there a place to look for GTA area consultants / technicians with > experience setting up inventory control and other systems for convenience or > retail stores. The immediate task(s) would be things like: > - setup inventory control hardware & software > - all product ( inventory and sales ) must be trackable by barcode > - software should track > - prod w/ highest sales volume > - prod w/ best margin > - reorder threshold > - tie sales numbers to employee shifts > > > Anyone have any experience with this? > Thanks The features you're asking are way beyond "convenience store". - How do you enter items in the first place? - What payments do you accept, and how how you process POS transaction? - I assume you already have barcode reader, barcode printer, receipt printer, etc. If not, which one do you buy? - it's messy... May I suggest dedicated Sharp/Cannon "cash register" from Staples, Office Depot, Grand & Toys, etc. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 05:56:05 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 00:56:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Matt Price on CBC TV National News Message-ID: Matt was on the news tonight. Based on his teaching . Commenting on attempts to block Wikileaks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 10:45:14 2010 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 10:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions References: <542893.90918.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205053316.GA12373@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: Most normal cash registers are able to dump a transaction log, and in certain locations they are required to do so. The simplest ones use paper tape only (double tape). More advanced ones have built in reporting functions as desired by the op and still print those on paper tape. Such as the 10 most sold items and peak sales hours in the day. These are typically dumped at the end of the day on operator demand (typically the shift supervisor would get that and file it when closing and doing the final tally in the evening). There are several Linux POS solutions and there is even openpos but I do not know where they went it's been a while since I looked. The problem with Linux POS is that the tax people usually insist in having cash register approved and likely no such approval will exist for a Linux solution. So the way to fix it would be to get an approved paper tape etc cash register with a usable serial interface and run some application on Linux based on data pulled from that interface, without tampering with the software in the cash register. That can be done relatively easily. Cash registers usually use plain ascii storage and dump formats, Julian dates, and record products by EAN or UPC barcode. Pulling this data into Excel/Gnucalc etc and working on it is trivial and some cash registers do offer this function (export to excel). So take a look at these options, and see what you can actually afford. Because of the certification need, certified cash registers are usually more expensive than normal ones. I'd say get the operation and programming handbooks of 1-2 popular cash registers and read them end to end before you embark on a big project to avoid dupplicating existing features. -- Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 12:03:54 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 07:03:54 -0500 Subject: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions In-Reply-To: References: <542893.90918.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205053316.GA12373@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: The POS at the LCBO stores are running on Linux. Michael On 2010-12-05 5:45 AM, "Peter" wrote: Most normal cash registers are able to dump a transaction log, and in certain locations they are required to do so. The simplest ones use paper tape only (double tape). More advanced ones have built in reporting functions as desired by the op and still print those on paper tape. Such as the 10 most sold items and peak sales hours in the day. These are typically dumped at the end of the day on operator demand (typically the shift supervisor would get that and file it when closing and doing the final tally in the evening). There are several Linux POS solutions and there is even openpos but I do not know where they went it's been a while since I looked. The problem with Linux POS is that the tax people usually insist in having cash register approved and likely no such approval will exist for a Linux solution. So the way to fix it would be to get an approved paper tape etc cash register with a usable serial interface and run some application on Linux based on data pulled from that interface, without tampering with the software in the cash register. That can be done relatively easily. Cash registers usually use plain ascii storage and dump formats, Julian dates, and record products by EAN or UPC barcode. Pulling this data into Excel/Gnucalc etc and working on it is trivial and some cash registers do offer this function (export to excel). So take a look at these options, and see what you can actually afford. Because of the certification need, certified cash registers are usually more expensive than normal ones. I'd say get the operation and programming handbooks of 1-2 popular cash registers and read them end to end before you embark on a big project to avoid dupplicating existing features. -- Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4CF9C642.2020706-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4CF9C642.2020706@ss.org> Message-ID: <20101205143446.GN12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 11:40:34PM -0500, Scott Sullivan wrote: > In the recent UPS thread a major question came up about Active PFC PSUs > and UPSs. > I've take some time to research the issue and provide a little clarity > at the best of my ability. > > # My Current Setup > I recently got an APC 1500VA Back-up UPS myself. > I have two older PCs (both doing server duty), network gear connected > and a single 15" LCD attached. > Currently they draw 105W of the 850W the UPS can provide, run time is an > estimated 53 min. > One of the machines has a 350W Active PFC PSU. > I HAVE tested this load with a simulated power failure. (I pulled the > plug). What brand/model of power supply and what efficiency is it? > # Definitions: > > Active PFC: > "Active power factor corrector" is a power electronic system that > controls the amount of power drawn by a load in order to obtain a power > factor as close as possible to unity. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_power_factor_correction#Active_PFC > > Plain Language: > As far as I've wrapped my head around it, it adjusts it input > current to reduce the wasted power that non purely resistive load (like > that of a computer) presents. > > # Why is Active PFC not good on some UPS models? > > The general gist has been that Active PFC should not be used with a UPS > that does not Supply a pure sine-wave which is most consumer UPS models. > Anecdotal evidence to support this claim include: > - UPS shutting off when switching to battery with a Active PFC PSU > - Strange Humming or Resonant noises while on battery power. It seems that some high efficiency power supplies have issues unless they receive the sine wave they expect. Not all designs are as picky, but if you don't want to go by trial and error, you simply make sure to get a sine wave output UPS for an active PFC power supply. If you are willing to take your chances and experiment, you may get lucky. Essentially a stepped sine wave looks like power is going up and down in voltage many times per cycle, causing the power supply to adjust its PFC hundreds if not thousands of times per second. > # What APC has to say on the matter. > > http://www.apcmedia.com/salestools/RMUZ-7DTKRC_R1_EN.pdf > > Active PFC *CAN* be used as long as you have enough spare Wattage from > the UPS. > This is because Active PFC compensated for the micro loss of power > during battery switch over by Drawing more current. The consumer UPS > models respond to this load by shutting down when it exceeds their > operating limit. > According to APC's documentation, 500W UPS and greater is about the > magic number that will cause this failure reaction. YMMV. > > As for the noise, that just the Active PFC working harder compensate for > the Stepped Sine Wave that these consumer units create. It does not > appear to actually be harmful to the PSU but is annoying. Apparently some power supply companies believe it is harmful. Also very annoying. Some power supplies will in fact turn off when it happens, not just the UPS. I know the corsair power supply I have requires a sine wave input. Corsair has explicitly stated that, and people who have tried cheaper UPSs have found the power supply simpl turns off. > == Disclaimer == > I am only sharing my experiences and details I have collected. I can not > be held responsible for how this information is used. Any mistakes or > omissions are my own. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 14:42:37 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 09:42:37 -0500 Subject: Dell sale on new 30" IPS screen. Message-ID: <20101205144237.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Dell has the U3011 (brand new model replacing the 3008WFP). Normally $1599, on sale for $1199 today. The new regular price is only $100 above the best sale price I have seen on the old model. 2560x1600 resolution, IPS panel, dual HDMI, dual DVI-D, single VGA, single DP, single component input, and of course a memory card reader and USB hub. To bad I don't really need a 30" screen, my 24" will have to do. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 14:45:26 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 09:45:26 -0500 Subject: tablets In-Reply-To: References: <20101203194241.GM12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20101205144526.GP12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 11:09:46PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Lennart Sorensen > > | On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 02:34:21PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: > | > Ah, you mean its twice as much open :) > | > | How about is is open versus it isn't open at all. > > Neither are not nearly as open as I'd like. Both need to be > jailbroken. > > Apple doesn't pretend to be open. > > Android does pretend to be open. Some android devices are very open, some are not. I currently don't want an android device either. Until the android kernel is part of the stock Linus kernel tree I want nothing to do with it. > | Of course I consider the iPad a useless brick at the moment. > > I have not found it useless, and I've only started using it. Well any computer that I can't write my own applications for, is a brick. The way apple currently manages their app store is a complete random insanity where no one ever knoww what will and will not be allowed and for how long it will stay allowed if it gets in. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 18:46:17 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 13:46:17 -0500 Subject: Dell sale on new 30" IPS screen. In-Reply-To: <20101205144237.GO12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20101205144237.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4CFBDDF9.4020308@alteeve.com> On 12/05/2010 09:42 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Dell has the U3011 (brand new model replacing the 3008WFP). Normally > $1599, on sale for $1199 today. The new regular price is only $100 > above the best sale price I have seen on the old model. > > 2560x1600 resolution, IPS panel, dual HDMI, dual DVI-D, single VGA, > single DP, single component input, and of course a memory card reader > and USB hub. > > To bad I don't really need a 30" screen, my 24" will have to do. :) > Link, for the interested. http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=224-9949 -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 19:18:18 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 14:18:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: tablets In-Reply-To: <20101205144526.GP12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20101203194241.GM12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101205144526.GP12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org | Subject: Re: [TLUG]: tablets | | On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 11:09:46PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > Apple doesn't pretend to be open. | > | > Android does pretend to be open. | | Some android devices are very open, some are not. All depends on the definition of "open". But I won't waste everyones time by expanding on that. Android devices that I've seen have been fairly locked-down. Some can be easily jailbroken with the tacit approval of the manufacturer. The hardware is partly to blame. Although most of Android is open source (at least roughly), too many necessary device drivers are not. And key things like the Android Store (?) and Google Maps applications require some certification that isn't possible for rebuilds (I think). There was a very interesting talk at Linux Symposium this summer Tim Riker who had built a phone that ran Android but could not get approval (in a timely fashion: it is a bit like the halting problem in that you cannot prove that he will never get it) for no reason that Google would explain. It appears as if Google pulled all their support from Linux Symposium when they learned of the talk. | I currently don't want an android device either. Until the android kernel | is part of the stock Linus kernel tree I want nothing to do with it. It is interesting that they have not done the work to get their stuff upstreamed. They may blame upstream. I think that Google has done this before. | > | Of course I consider the iPad a useless brick at the moment. | > | > I have not found it useless, and I've only started using it. | | Well any computer that I can't write my own applications for, is a brick. | The way apple currently manages their app store is a complete random | insanity where no one ever knoww what will and will not be allowed and | for how long it will stay allowed if it gets in. iPad is not called a computer. You and I see it as a computer. But then I've (reluctantly) accepted having a TV set, a Digital Media Player (pocket device that plays MP3s and Oggs), an oven, etc. which have serious computer components and yet are not open. I bought my first VCR in 1979 seriously hoping to hack the firmware since the user interface was so stupid. I never did. Nor with all the other VCRs I bought over the subsequent years. What mass market devices are usefully open? Most personal computers and notebooks (now, after lots of work by *BSD and Linux folks). Some wireless routers (a great victory). A very few PDAs, sort of (I have them all: Sharp Zaurus, Nokia tablets), that were more or less market failures; some DMPs can run RockBox (without any help from the manufacturer); maybe some media players (WD TV Live, Patriot Box, etc. use Linux but I don't think that people have recompiled kernels); Plug Computers (some are mass-market). A pretty meagre collection. It turns out that the only way to hack these things is within a community that is willing to share the development work. The dynamics of this are fascinating. Compare: - Linux kernel - various projects for particular packages - linux distros (Debian vs Ubuntu vs Red Hat vs Fedora) - OpenWRT vs DD-Wrt vs Tomato - RockBox Back on topic: Is there a community separate from Google for putting Android on boxes? I assume that Google isn't open enough to accept things that porters wish to upstream. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 19:19:31 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 14:19:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Dell sale on new 30" IPS screen. In-Reply-To: <20101205144237.GO12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20101205144237.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | To bad I don't really need a 30" screen, my 24" will have to do. :) They are like heroin. You only "don't really need" one if you haven't used one. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From timothyjwashington-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 19:20:32 2010 From: timothyjwashington-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Timothy Washington) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 11:20:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions In-Reply-To: <20101205053316.GA12373-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <542893.90918.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205053316.GA12373@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <641827.51635.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I figure I can get something reasonable where a mobile device enters inventory as it comes in. Then I would expect the bar code reader / cash system to track product as it leaves the store. I'm just trying to get educated at this point. Tim ________________________________ From: William Park To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 12:33:16 AM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions On Sat, Dec 04, 2010 at 06:45:05PM -0800, Timothy Washington wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm looking into buying a Convenience Store. One thing I want to do is have >it's > > inventory and POS/Cash systems upgraded. So I want to know the best linux > solution to handle that (trying to avoid SAP and Oracle bloat). I found a list > of Linux ERP solutions below. But I want to know how I can go about evaluating > them. > - http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20...17552/ERP.html > > Also, is there a place to look for GTA area consultants / technicians with > experience setting up inventory control and other systems for convenience or > retail stores. The immediate task(s) would be things like: > - setup inventory control hardware & software > - all product ( inventory and sales ) must be trackable by barcode > - software should track > - prod w/ highest sales volume > - prod w/ best margin > - reorder threshold > - tie sales numbers to employee shifts > > > Anyone have any experience with this? > Thanks The features you're asking are way beyond "convenience store". - How do you enter items in the first place? - What payments do you accept, and how how you process POS transaction? - I assume you already have barcode reader, barcode printer, receipt printer, etc. If not, which one do you buy? - it's messy... May I suggest dedicated Sharp/Cannon "cash register" from Staples, Office Depot, Grand & Toys, etc. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 19:28:32 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 14:28:32 -0500 Subject: Dell sale on new 30" IPS screen. In-Reply-To: References: <20101205144237.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4CFBE7E0.4030900@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | To bad I don't really need a 30" screen, my 24" will have to do.:) > > They are like heroin. You only "don't really need" one if you haven't > used one. > Last year, I upgraded from a 15" 1024x768 monitor to a 23" 1080p. At first, I found all the space overwhelming. Now, I don't know what I'd do without it. Of course, if I *REALLY* want a big display, I can bring my 42" HDTV in here. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 19:29:08 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 14:29:08 -0500 Subject: Dell sale on new 30" IPS screen. In-Reply-To: References: <20101205144237.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4CFBE804.7060803@alteeve.com> On 12/05/2010 02:19 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Lennart Sorensen > > | To bad I don't really need a 30" screen, my 24" will have to do. :) > > They are like heroin. You only "don't really need" one if you haven't > used one. Heh, I was seriously considering it... To justify $1,200 though... That's touch. Also, 250w! It's would be awesome, but I think I will dodge this first hit. :) -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 20:05:09 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 15:05:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Dell sale on new 30" IPS screen. In-Reply-To: <4CFBE7E0.4030900-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20101205144237.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CFBE7E0.4030900@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: James Knott | Last year, I upgraded from a 15" 1024x768 monitor to a 23" 1080p. At first, I | found all the space overwhelming. Now, I don't know what I'd do without it. | Of course, if I *REALLY* want a big display, I can bring my 42" HDTV in here. | ;-) With current consumer technologies, and "normal" eyes, it's not the size, it's the number of pixels. 1080p == 1920x1080 Your 23" and your 42" have the same number of pixels (unless your 42" is less than 1080p). Older 24" monitors are better: 1920x1200. Those are dying out. These 30" monitors are 2560x1600. You can also consider the new generation of 27" monitors with 2560x1440. What works for you depends partially on your eyesight. I require glasses to correct for short sightedness. My aging eyes accommodate less well so I use continuous focus glasses. To use a 30" monitor effectively, I got special fixed-focus glasses (they help with smaller monitors too). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 20:17:06 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 15:17:06 -0500 Subject: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions In-Reply-To: <641827.51635.qm-74ZYx1M47v5+W+z1sZEpBPu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <542893.90918.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205053316.GA12373@node1.opengeometry.net> <641827.51635.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20101205201706.GA13569@node1.opengeometry.net> Reading between the lines, I'm guessing the store in question already has everything. Otherwise, factor that into your price. Most important is transaction at the end (ie. sales and receipts). Then, work backward from there, incrementally. Initially, try to avoid "all-integrated-ERP" solution. Instead, look for "POS screen" which only deals with user interface, like - input from keyboard (or barcode reader, which is the same thing, ie. scanning barcode is the same as typing those numbers), - line items and total on screen. - user input for voiding, price override, tax exemption, etc. - printing receipt and electronic journal. The backend database will determine how you store/extract item infos (ie. input for POS screen), and how you post POS transaction (ie. output from POS screen). Look into accounting package, like Simply Accounting, AccPac, etc. It will give you some idea as to what you need for I/O format and data structure. I wonder if a spreadsheet (eg. Excel, etc) can be used, modified, or forked for POS screen side of thing. Hmm... -- William On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 11:20:32AM -0800, Timothy Washington wrote: > I figure I can get something reasonable where a mobile device enters inventory > as it comes in. Then I would expect the bar code reader / cash system to track > product as it leaves the store. I'm just trying to get educated at this point. > > Tim > ________________________________ > From: William Park > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 12:33:16 AM > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions > > On Sat, Dec 04, 2010 at 06:45:05PM -0800, Timothy Washington wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I'm looking into buying a Convenience Store. One thing I want to do is have > >it's > > > > inventory and POS/Cash systems upgraded. So I want to know the best linux > > solution to handle that (trying to avoid SAP and Oracle bloat). I found a list > > > of Linux ERP solutions below. But I want to know how I can go about evaluating > > > them. > > - http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20...17552/ERP.html > > > > Also, is there a place to look for GTA area consultants / technicians with > > experience setting up inventory control and other systems for convenience or > > retail stores. The immediate task(s) would be things like: > > - setup inventory control hardware & software > > - all product ( inventory and sales ) must be trackable by barcode > > - software should track > > - prod w/ highest sales volume > > - prod w/ best margin > > - reorder threshold > > - tie sales numbers to employee shifts > > > > > > Anyone have any experience with this? > > Thanks > > The features you're asking are way beyond "convenience store". > - How do you enter items in the first place? > - What payments do you accept, and how how you process POS transaction? > - I assume you already have barcode reader, barcode printer, receipt > printer, etc. If not, which one do you buy? > - it's messy... > > May I suggest dedicated Sharp/Cannon "cash register" from Staples, > Office Depot, Grand & Toys, etc. > > -- > William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From timothyjwashington-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 00:10:08 2010 From: timothyjwashington-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Timothy Washington) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 16:10:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions In-Reply-To: <20101205201706.GA13569-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <542893.90918.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205053316.GA12373@node1.opengeometry.net> <641827.51635.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205201706.GA13569@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <802659.21198.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> A friend said something similar - start with the i) software (inventory & accounting) and ii) back-end database first. Was recommended some open source packages like i) http://www.openbravo.com and ii) http://l-ane.sourceforge.net , but I'm still trying to understand how to piece it all together. I really want to be able to input inventory arrivals; then have a bar-code scanner (or just POS) track what goes out the door. It sounds like the cash drawer would have to be hooked up to the receipt printer (serial connection?) - all from a POS screen. And yes, there is already a cash register and bar-code reader there (don't have the specs). But I want something that can be hooked up to an inventory control system. Hmmm.. Tim ________________________________ From: William Park To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 3:17:06 PM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions Reading between the lines, I'm guessing the store in question already has everything. Otherwise, factor that into your price. Most important is transaction at the end (ie. sales and receipts). Then, work backward from there, incrementally. Initially, try to avoid "all-integrated-ERP" solution. Instead, look for "POS screen" which only deals with user interface, like - input from keyboard (or barcode reader, which is the same thing, ie. scanning barcode is the same as typing those numbers), - line items and total on screen. - user input for voiding, price override, tax exemption, etc. - printing receipt and electronic journal. The backend database will determine how you store/extract item infos (ie. input for POS screen), and how you post POS transaction (ie. output from POS screen). Look into accounting package, like Simply Accounting, AccPac, etc. It will give you some idea as to what you need for I/O format and data structure. I wonder if a spreadsheet (eg. Excel, etc) can be used, modified, or forked for POS screen side of thing. Hmm... -- William On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 11:20:32AM -0800, Timothy Washington wrote: > I figure I can get something reasonable where a mobile device enters inventory > as it comes in. Then I would expect the bar code reader / cash system to track > product as it leaves the store. I'm just trying to get educated at this point. > > Tim > ________________________________ > From: William Park > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 12:33:16 AM > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions > > On Sat, Dec 04, 2010 at 06:45:05PM -0800, Timothy Washington wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I'm looking into buying a Convenience Store. One thing I want to do is have > >it's > > > > inventory and POS/Cash systems upgraded. So I want to know the best linux > > solution to handle that (trying to avoid SAP and Oracle bloat). I found a >list > > > > of Linux ERP solutions below. But I want to know how I can go about >evaluating > > > > them. > > - http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20...17552/ERP.html > > > > Also, is there a place to look for GTA area consultants / technicians with > > experience setting up inventory control and other systems for convenience or > > retail stores. The immediate task(s) would be things like: > > - setup inventory control hardware & software > > - all product ( inventory and sales ) must be trackable by barcode > > - software should track > > - prod w/ highest sales volume > > - prod w/ best margin > > - reorder threshold > > - tie sales numbers to employee shifts > > > > > > Anyone have any experience with this? > > Thanks > > The features you're asking are way beyond "convenience store". > - How do you enter items in the first place? > - What payments do you accept, and how how you process POS transaction? > - I assume you already have barcode reader, barcode printer, receipt > printer, etc. If not, which one do you buy? > - it's messy... > > May I suggest dedicated Sharp/Cannon "cash register" from Staples, > Office Depot, Grand & Toys, etc. > > -- > William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 00:11:17 2010 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 19:11:17 -0500 Subject: Dell sale on new 30" IPS screen. In-Reply-To: <20101205144237.GO12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20101205144237.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <78007ef3cdfc1f23b4a0f10a87f5b612.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Much to expensive for me. I don't know if I could justify that cost for a monitor. I'm happy with my 1920x1200 display. > Dell has the U3011 (brand new model replacing the 3008WFP). Normally > $1599, on sale for $1199 today. The new regular price is only $100 > above the best sale price I have seen on the old model. > > 2560x1600 resolution, IPS panel, dual HDMI, dual DVI-D, single VGA, > single DP, single component input, and of course a memory card reader > and USB hub. > > To bad I don't really need a 30" screen, my 24" will have to do. :) > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 01:28:07 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:28:07 -0500 Subject: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions In-Reply-To: <802659.21198.qm-74ZYx1M47v4HBU+L9ui1Svu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <542893.90918.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205053316.GA12373@node1.opengeometry.net> <641827.51635.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205201706.GA13569@node1.opengeometry.net> <802659.21198.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20101206012806.GA15259@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 04:10:08PM -0800, Timothy Washington wrote: > A friend said something similar - start with the i) software (inventory & > accounting) and ii) back-end database first. It's not so much which is first or last. But, if you clearly separate backend business logic and frontend user interface, then it's much much easier. One major problem with all-inclusive solution is that it works for what it was designed for, which mostly likely is not your situation. > Was recommended some open source > packages like i) http://www.openbravo.com and ii) http://l-ane.sourceforge.net , > but I'm still trying to understand how to piece it all together. I really want > to be able to input inventory arrivals; then have a bar-code scanner (or just > POS) track what goes out the door. Entering item info is just data entry into whatever database you have. You don't have to worry about what goes out. You get that for free, from sales report. > > > It sounds like the cash drawer would have to be hooked up to the receipt printer > (serial connection?) - all from a POS screen. Yes. Cash drawer has solenoid lock, which will be triggered to open by sending appropriate command to the printer. > And yes, there is already a cash > register and bar-code reader there (don't have the specs). But I want something > that can be hooked up to an inventory control system. That's just it. Things just don't happen by "hooking up". You have to count what you sold, and substract from quantity on-hand. Someone has to run Z-report to close the register. Someone has to run the sales report. Actually, you get "inventory control system" for free. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 03:23:29 2010 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 22:23:29 -0500 Subject: UPSs and Active PFC PSUs. In-Reply-To: <20101205143446.GN12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4CF9C642.2020706@ss.org> <20101205143446.GN12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4CFC5731.9020505@ss.org> On 12/05/2010 09:34 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 11:40:34PM -0500, Scott Sullivan wrote: >> In the recent UPS thread a major question came up about Active PFC PSUs >> and UPSs. >> I've take some time to research the issue and provide a little clarity >> at the best of my ability. >> >> # My Current Setup >> I recently got an APC 1500VA Back-up UPS myself. >> I have two older PCs (both doing server duty), network gear connected >> and a single 15" LCD attached. >> Currently they draw 105W of the 850W the UPS can provide, run time is an >> estimated 53 min. >> One of the machines has a 350W Active PFC PSU. >> I HAVE tested this load with a simulated power failure. (I pulled the >> plug). > What brand/model of power supply and what efficiency is it? Antec EarthWatts 380W, EA-380 (I miss labelled it as a 350W in my original post). Product Link: http://store.antec.com/Product/power_supply-earthwatts/ea-380d-green/0-761345-27384-8.aspx Note: the link is for the EA-380D which is a slight revision. I own that model too, but it's not currently in a machine on the UPS. I use these power supplies on file-server machines in 1GHz range with between 6-10 Hard drives. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 03:46:01 2010 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 22:46:01 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? Message-ID: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> I am leaning towards the Nokia N900. It is not available in Canada, but it can be shipped from US. There are a few cell phone companies in Toronto that import the N900. Anyone on TLUG have an N900? Simcard and it works with (Bell/Telus/Wind/Moblicity/Fido/ I believe) I figure if I am spending 500, I may as well get the phone I want. My second choice is Google Nexus One. It would still have some resale value after 2 years. (not much though) Teddy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 04:05:55 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 23:05:55 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: <4CFC5C79.7090708-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:46 PM, teddy mills wrote: > I am leaning towards the Nokia N900. > > It is not available in Canada, but it can be shipped from US. > There are a few cell phone companies in Toronto that import the N900. You should be able to find it in stock at various stores at Pacific Mall. Here's a link to a local vendor: http://sntradersonline.com/phone_details.php?product_id=snp1185 The fact that Nokia has dropped support for the Maemo platform is reason to not consider it quite so highly :-(. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 07:36:40 2010 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 02:36:40 -0500 Subject: Web development editor Message-ID: Hello everyone, What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently using Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there any others? Which is generally considered the best? Thanks Jason -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 08:12:04 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 03:12:04 -0500 Subject: Dell sale on new 30" IPS screen. In-Reply-To: References: <20101205144237.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CFBE7E0.4030900@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20101206081204.GA18653@waltdnes.org> On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 03:05:09PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote > What works for you depends partially on your eyesight. I require > glasses to correct for short sightedness. My aging eyes accommodate > less well so I use continuous focus glasses. To use a 30" monitor > effectively, I got special fixed-focus glasses (they help with smaller > monitors too). Me too. For working with computers (at work and at home), I got what was basically the bottom part of my bi-focals prescription applied to the whole lens. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 11:34:33 2010 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 06:34:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Jason Carson wrote: > Hello everyone, > > What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently using > Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there any others? > Which is generally considered the best? The best is your favourite text editor. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 12:52:11 2010 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 07:52:11 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101206125211.GA21782@watson-wilson.ca> There are also many reports of a design flaw that causes the USB port to fail and detach from the device. In Canada you'll have no warranty coverage. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 13:07:49 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 08:07:49 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: <4CFC5C79.7090708-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CFCE025.3010204@rogers.com> teddy mills wrote: > I am leaning towards the Nokia N900. If you get one of those, you may want to join the maemo-users mailing list. They discuss the Nokia N900, N800 and even 770. maemo-users-41UWDLvetLrYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 13:13:55 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 08:13:55 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: <4CFC5C79.7090708-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5 December 2010 22:46, teddy mills wrote: > I am leaning towards the Nokia N900. > > It is not available in Canada, but it can be shipped from US. > There are a few cell phone companies in Toronto that import the N900. > > Anyone on TLUG have an N900? > Simcard and it works with (Bell/Telus/Wind/Moblicity/Fido/ I believe) > > I figure if I am spending 500, I may as well get the phone I want. > My second choice is Google Nexus One. > > It would still have some resale value after 2 years. (not much though) I agree with the idea, but my I think my previous post (edited version below correcting the error in provider name ...) still applies: ----- And as a head's up to the person who was going to buy a phone separate from the phone plan: most of the time this is fine but a good friend of mine had an Android phone he'd ordered from the States that was evidently eating SIM cards. Wind was decent about it and supplied him with three or four(!) new SIM cards, but both the phone supplier and Wind claimed the other was at fault. After a couple weeks of hell he returned the phone for a refund and went with a Wind-provided phone (admittedly not quite as good a phone). If the phone is provided by the same people who sell the plan, the provider _will_ fix the problem because the problem is clearly theirs. But if you have separate providers, it's far too easy to shift the blame. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 13:22:31 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 08:22:31 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CFCE397.40803@rogers.com> Giles Orr wrote: > On 5 December 2010 22:46, teddy mills wrote: > >> I am leaning towards the Nokia N900. >> >> It is not available in Canada, but it can be shipped from US. >> There are a few cell phone companies in Toronto that import the N900. >> >> Anyone on TLUG have an N900? >> Simcard and it works with (Bell/Telus/Wind/Moblicity/Fido/ I believe) >> >> I figure if I am spending 500, I may as well get the phone I want. >> My second choice is Google Nexus One. >> >> It would still have some resale value after 2 years. (not much though) >> > I agree with the idea, but my I think my previous post (edited version > below correcting the error in provider name ...) still applies: > > ----- > > And as a head's up to the person who was going to buy a phone separate > from the phone plan: most of the time this is fine but a good friend > of mine had an Android phone he'd ordered from the States that was > evidently eating SIM cards. Wind was decent about it and supplied him > with three or four(!) new SIM cards, but both the phone supplier and > Wind claimed the other was at fault. After a couple weeks of hell he > returned the phone for a refund and went with a Wind-provided phone > (admittedly not quite as good a phone). If the phone is provided by > the same people who sell the plan, the provider _will_ fix the problem > because the problem is clearly theirs. But if you have separate > providers, it's far too easy to shift the blame. > > I have a Nexus One and it works fine. I don't think it's even nibbled on the SIM. I'm on Rogers. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 16:47:51 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:47:51 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CFD13B7.9030907@ve3syb.ca> Jason Carson wrote: > What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently using > Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there any others? The first web page editor for Linux which comes to mind is Nvu (http://www.nvu.com) which I looked at briefly some time back and it looked interesting for a GUI based editor. There is also KompoZer (http://www.kompozer.net/) which I have only heard about and have never looked at or tried to use. > Which is generally considered the best? Ask two people which is best and you will probably get three opinions. :-) For me, my favourite web page editor is called vi. All the web pages I have created were made using it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 17:10:57 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:10:57 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101206171057.GU12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 02:36:40AM -0500, Jason Carson wrote: > What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently using > Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there any others? > Which is generally considered the best? I prefer vim. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 17:08:59 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:08:59 -0500 Subject: Dell sale on new 30" IPS screen. In-Reply-To: References: <20101205144237.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20101206170859.GS12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 02:19:31PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Lennart Sorensen > > | To bad I don't really need a 30" screen, my 24" will have to do. :) > > They are like heroin. You only "don't really need" one if you haven't > used one. My dad has a 3008WFP (with a 2007FP rotated to the right of it). I have used it. I still don't need it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 17:10:09 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:10:09 -0500 Subject: Dell sale on new 30" IPS screen. In-Reply-To: <4CFBE7E0.4030900-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20101205144237.GO12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CFBE7E0.4030900@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20101206171009.GT12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 02:28:32PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Last year, I upgraded from a 15" 1024x768 monitor to a 23" 1080p. At > first, I found all the space overwhelming. Now, I don't know what I'd > do without it. Of course, if I *REALLY* want a big display, I can bring > my 42" HDTV in here. ;-) 42" at 1920x1080 is no match for a 30" 2560x1600 (or even a 24" 1920x1200) in terms of computer desktop space. It's the pixels that count, not the size. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 17:07:59 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:07:59 -0500 Subject: UPSs and Active PFC PSUs. In-Reply-To: <4CFC5731.9020505-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4CF9C642.2020706@ss.org> <20101205143446.GN12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CFC5731.9020505@ss.org> Message-ID: <20101206170759.GR12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 10:23:29PM -0500, Scott Sullivan wrote: > Antec EarthWatts 380W, EA-380 (I miss labelled it as a 350W in my > original post). > > Product Link: > http://store.antec.com/Product/power_supply-earthwatts/ea-380d-green/0-761345-27384-8.aspx > > Note: the link is for the EA-380D which is a slight revision. I own that > model too, but it's not currently in a machine on the UPS. > > I use these power supplies on file-server machines in 1GHz range with > between 6-10 Hard drives. Well being it is only a bronce level 80plus certified, it isn't likely to be as picky as a gold level 80plus certified high efficiency power supply. Different designs have different levels of pickiness on their AC input quality. Of course to some extent, the fact that we use UPSs that take AC, convert it to DC to store and then convert it back to AC (trying to make it look like a sine wave again) to go into a power supply that converts it back to DC for use by the computer is really really stupid. We should have UPSs that putput DC and then use DC power supplies in the computer. That would probably save 20% power right there (at least when running from the UPS battery), and elliminate an expensive complex bit of the UPS and simplify the computer power supply (after all the UPS needs the AC to 12V DC conversion already, so why not have a 12V DC input to the computer power supply which then just has to take that and regulate it a bit, and make a bit of 5 and 3.3V as well for the few parts of the computer that isn't 12V these days). No sine wave generation issues, no conversion power waste, just simple efficient setup. Telephone equipment has been doing this for decades, why can't we do it for our computers too? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 14:10:24 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:10:24 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [u-u] Unix Unanimous meeting - Wed 8 Dec 2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Normally GTALug Meetings and Unix Unanimous meetings happen on the same week, but this month the two are on different weeks. Some people have trouble getting out for 2 nights in a row to user group meetings, something that isn't an issue this month... So, please do join us for discussions about all the Unix and Unix like operating systems, such as Linux this Wednesday. Colin. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Unix Unanimous Webmaster Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:01 AM Subject: [u-u] Unix Unanimous meeting - Wed 8 Dec 2010 To: u-u-nUbHFpetmNumKAeH2fHhIti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org The next meeting of Unix Unanimous will be held at 6:45 pm on Wednesday ?8 December 2010, in room BA 2179 on the 2nd floor of the the Bahen Centre for Information Technology at 40 St. George Street, on the University of Toronto campus. Unix Unanimous is an informal gathering of people interested in Unix and related topics. There are no fees or membership requirements, and the meeting is open to all. Participants typically include Unix professionals, students, and hobbyists. This message will be repeated on the Monday before the meeting. If there are any items for the agenda, email u-u-owner-nUbHFpetmNumKAeH2fHhIti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org before then. The meeting is always held on the second Wednesday of each month. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 16:11:18 2010 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:11:18 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There's also Blue Griffon if you are going the GUI route. http://www.bluegriffon.org/ On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Jason Carson wrote: > > Hello everyone, >> >> What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently using >> Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there any others? >> Which is generally considered the best? >> > > The best is your favourite text editor. > > -- > Chris F.A. Johnson, > Author: > Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) > Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 16:56:30 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:56:30 -0500 Subject: tablets In-Reply-To: References: <20101203194241.GM12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101205144526.GP12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20101206165630.GQ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 02:18:18PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > It is interesting that they have not done the work to get their stuff > upstreamed. They may blame upstream. I think that Google has done > this before. They submitted some stuff, got told to change some stuff, replied that they didn't want to change it, and got rejected. > iPad is not called a computer. You and I see it as a computer. But > then I've (reluctantly) accepted having a TV set, a Digital Media Player (pocket > device that plays MP3s and Oggs), an oven, etc. which have serious > computer components and yet are not open. You can buy and run programs on it. It is a computer. I have no problem with the ipods which are simply great music players. I do have a problem with the ipod touch, which is supposed to be much more, but only if you get stuff approved of by apple. > I bought my first VCR in 1979 seriously hoping to hack the firmware > since the user interface was so stupid. I never did. Nor with all > the other VCRs I bought over the subsequent years. Sure, but it did work as a VCR. They never promised it could be more than that. > What mass market devices are usefully open? Most personal computers > and notebooks (now, after lots of work by *BSD and Linux folks). Some > wireless routers (a great victory). A very few PDAs, sort of (I have > them all: Sharp Zaurus, Nokia tablets), that were more or less market > failures; some DMPs can run RockBox (without any help from the > manufacturer); maybe some media players (WD TV Live, Patriot Box, etc. > use Linux but I don't think that people have recompiled kernels); Plug > Computers (some are mass-market). A pretty meagre collection. A rather large number of music players can run rockbox (include many from apple). They are much better music players with rockbox installed. > It turns out that the only way to hack these things is within a > community that is willing to share the development work. The dynamics > of this are fascinating. Compare: > > - Linux kernel > > - various projects for particular packages > > - linux distros (Debian vs Ubuntu vs Red Hat vs Fedora) > > - OpenWRT vs DD-Wrt vs Tomato > > - RockBox > > Back on topic: Is there a community separate from Google for putting > Android on boxes? I assume that Google isn't open enough to accept > things that porters wish to upstream. Certainly Google seems to believe all development should be done internally in secret, and when done they will give it to everyone else. They don't seem to accept outside contributions. So at this point in time I am about as interested in android as I am in symbian. That is vaguely curious, but highly disappointed in the wasted opportunity. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 20:07:12 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:07:12 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've used several editors and ended with... Vim. Seriously. If you don't want to use The Vintage Ones, I'd say Gedit is a very good choice. On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 02:36, Jason Carson wrote: > Hello everyone, > > What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently using > Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there any others? > Which is generally considered the best? > > Thanks > > Jason > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 20:42:40 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:42:40 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Jason Carson wrote: > Hello everyone, > > What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently using > Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there any others? > Which is generally considered the best? I find I prefer using Emacs for pretty well anything I might want to edit. It even has a specialized mode for HTML that is somewhat intelligent about managing tags. I'm pretty sure I could configure it to automatically drop in markers as to what time I last edited a particular HTML file, if I cared to. I haven't, thus far. Usually, the best editor to use to edit text files is whatever text editor you already prefer. That tends to be preferable in that it allows you to use the features you already know and understand, as opposed to needing to learn a new user interface. If you're a fan of vi, you should probably use that. If you like vim, you should probably use that. I happen to like Emacs, so I should use it on my web pages, and do. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 21:40:18 2010 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 16:40:18 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <815f6006b151b41d7003c98d8761aa57.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Jason Carson wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently using >> Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there any others? >> Which is generally considered the best? > > I find I prefer using Emacs for pretty well anything I might want to > edit. It even has a specialized mode for HTML that is somewhat > intelligent about managing tags. I'm pretty sure I could configure it > to automatically drop in markers as to what time I last edited a > particular HTML file, if I cared to. I haven't, thus far. > > Usually, the best editor to use to edit text files is whatever text > editor you already prefer. That tends to be preferable in that it > allows you to use the features you already know and understand, as > opposed to needing to learn a new user interface. > > If you're a fan of vi, you should probably use that. If you like vim, > you should probably use that. I happen to like Emacs, so I should use > it on my web pages, and do. > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > The only text editor I have any experience with is GNU nano and that is because it is the default editor with Gentoo Linux. I'll install vi,vim, and Emacs and try those out to see if I like them. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 22:23:35 2010 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 22:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions References: <542893.90918.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205053316.GA12373@node1.opengeometry.net> <641827.51635.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205201706.GA13569@node1.opengeometry.net> <802659.21198.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101206012806.GA15259@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: William Park writes: > On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 04:10:08PM -0800, Timothy Washington wrote: > > A friend said something similar - start with the i) software (inventory & > > accounting) and ii) back-end database first. > > It's not so much which is first or last. But, if you clearly separate > backend business logic and frontend user interface, then it's much much > easier. One major problem with all-inclusive solution is that it works > for what it was designed for, which mostly likely is not your situation. I'm not sure why such an approach would be good. CSV data from any standard cash register is meant to go directly into Excel (or Gnumeric or OOO.org). The usual POS devices where the ui is separate from the reporting and from the accounting/billing are meant for the restaurant and hotel business. You can mix and match whatever you want there, usually touch screens, external printers and barcode wands and it's all networked. I did not know that the LCBO terminals run on Linux. I know that McD's terminals ran on some BSD a long time ago and likely still do. Anyway doing all this by hand could be an interesting learning project but also a harsh and possibly painful entry into CRM land (and SAP territory). -- Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 22:55:33 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 17:55:33 -0500 Subject: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions In-Reply-To: References: <542893.90918.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205053316.GA12373@node1.opengeometry.net> <641827.51635.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205201706.GA13569@node1.opengeometry.net> <802659.21198.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101206012806.GA15259@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Peter wrote: > Anyway doing all this by hand could be an interesting learning project but also > a harsh and possibly painful entry into CRM land (and SAP territory). Yep. SAP territory is where "everything's deeply integrated into one giant database." There's a lot of neat stuff that can be done with that, but it imposes a lot, too. I rather like the "have independent systems, and pull data from them" approach; if you can periodically pull the data underlying the cash register tape out, a lot can be done with that, *without* forcing writing BDC sessions (http://www.sap-img.com/abap/learning-bdc-programming.htm) and such awfulness. If you want tight integration, that's hugely costly. But having a bunch of independent islands isn't without its costs, too :-(. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 23:44:41 2010 From: ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Ijaaz A. Ullah) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 18:44:41 -0500 Subject: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions In-Reply-To: References: <542893.90918.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205053316.GA12373@node1.opengeometry.net> <641827.51635.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205201706.GA13569@node1.opengeometry.net> <802659.21198.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101206012806.GA15259@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: > I did not know that the LCBO terminals run on Linux. I know that McD's terminals > ran on some BSD a long time ago and likely still do. > McDonalds terminals (at least in the US) run Windows, using an application called pc charge. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 00:11:39 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:11:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions In-Reply-To: References: <542893.90918.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205053316.GA12373@node1.opengeometry.net> <641827.51635.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205201706.GA13569@node1.opengeometry.net> <802659.21198.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101206012806.GA15259@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: | From: Ijaaz A. Ullah | > I did not know that the LCBO terminals run on Linux. I know that McD's terminals | > ran on some BSD a long time ago and likely still do. | > | | McDonalds terminals (at least in the US) run Windows, using an | application called pc charge. At one point I understood that they ran SCO Unix. That was 10-20 years ago. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 00:37:28 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 19:37:28 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CFD81C8.5040009@gmail.com> On 10-12-06 02:36 AM, Jason Carson wrote: > Hello everyone, > > What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently using > Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there any others? > Which is generally considered the best? > > Thanks > > Jason > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists I love emacs, but I'm guessing you want something more wysiwyg =) http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/05/06/25-wysiwyg-editors-reviewed/ -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-22-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From echapin-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 00:51:13 2010 From: echapin-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 19:51:13 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: <4CFD81C8.5040009-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFD81C8.5040009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4CFD8501.7000303@teksavvy.com> On 12/06/2010 07:37 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > On 10-12-06 02:36 AM, Jason Carson wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently using >> Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there any others? >> Which is generally considered the best? >> >> Thanks >> >> Jason >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > I love emacs, but I'm guessing you want something more wysiwyg =) > > http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/05/06/25-wysiwyg-editors-reviewed/ > > See if Kompozer fita. -- Elliott Chapin http://clients.teksavvy.com/~echapin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From david.vangeest-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 01:09:32 2010 From: david.vangeest-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David van Geest) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 20:09:32 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: <4CFD8501.7000303-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFD81C8.5040009@gmail.com> <4CFD8501.7000303@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Elliott Chapin wrote: > On 12/06/2010 07:37 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> >> On 10-12-06 02:36 AM, Jason Carson wrote: >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently using >>> Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there any others? >>> Which is generally considered the best? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> I love emacs, but I'm guessing you want something more wysiwyg =) >> >> http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/05/06/25-wysiwyg-editors-reviewed/ >> >> > > See if Kompozer fita. > > -- > Elliott Chapin > http://clients.teksavvy.com/~echapin > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > I'm a fan of Geany if you want something between vim and a full-blown IDE. -- David van Geest http://60cycle.net -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 01:17:45 2010 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 20:17:45 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: <4CFD81C8.5040009-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFD81C8.5040009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <27eb4fe00558d7b4a56cd78979129ff9.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> > On 10-12-06 02:36 AM, Jason Carson wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently using >> Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there any others? >> Which is generally considered the best? >> >> Thanks >> >> Jason >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > I love emacs, but I'm guessing you want something more wysiwyg =) > > http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/05/06/25-wysiwyg-editors-reviewed/ > > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely > > GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-22-generic > Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 > Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.1 > -- Thanks for the link. I would prefer wysiwyg but it's not mandatory. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 02:06:53 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 21:06:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: free stuff Message-ID: I'm about to throw this stuff in the recycle bin (Wednesday evening) but if anyone wants some of it, speak up. I might be able to bring some of this to the next TLUG meeting. - LINUX Core Kernel Commentary - LINUX IP Stacks Commentary - Unix Review magazines from late 1980s to late 1990s. Also various similar trade journals like SunPro. - USENIX proceedings and journals from the same era - a random collection of Linux Journals etc. from this decade (i.e. 2001-2010). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 02:20:45 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 21:20:45 -0500 Subject: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions In-Reply-To: References: <542893.90918.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205053316.GA12373@node1.opengeometry.net> <641827.51635.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205201706.GA13569@node1.opengeometry.net> <802659.21198.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101206012806.GA15259@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20101207022045.GA4206@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 05:55:33PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Peter wrote: > > Anyway doing all this by hand could be an interesting learning > > project but also a harsh and possibly painful entry into CRM land > > (and SAP territory). > > Yep. > > SAP territory is where "everything's deeply integrated into one giant > database." There's a lot of neat stuff that can be done with that, > but it imposes a lot, too. > > I rather like the "have independent systems, and pull data from them" > approach; if you can periodically pull the data underlying the cash > register tape out, a lot can be done with that, *without* forcing > writing BDC sessions > (http://www.sap-img.com/abap/learning-bdc-programming.htm) and such > awfulness. > > If you want tight integration, that's hugely costly. But having a > bunch of independent islands isn't without its costs, too :-(. Cost is more labour, of course. But, retail/pos market is so customized, simply because different merchant has different needs, that there is no such thing as "standard POS", "standard backend database", or "standard ERP" solution. Some of the benefit of separated stages are as follows: - easier development and debugging -- since each stage has "input" and "output", you can do automated regression test for each stages as well as the whole process. - paper trail that can be verified, checked, and audited -- Programmers poo-poo this, but I came to appreciate its value only after working in Retail/POS industry. With "in" and "out" files, you get lots of things for free, something you otherwise have to write code for. This is particularly important for customer support. - easier to upgrade, or change vendor. Even though my company sells Linux backend and Linux frontend (both Redhat) for Retail/POS/ERP market, I do admit there is nothing "open" and "free" about what we're selling. That's because, our business model is customization and support. Having said that, I do see the need for "POS screen" for Linux platform. But, the itch is not great enough... :-) -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From timothyjwashington-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 02:31:40 2010 From: timothyjwashington-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Timothy Washington) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 18:31:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions In-Reply-To: References: <542893.90918.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205053316.GA12373@node1.opengeometry.net> <641827.51635.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205201706.GA13569@node1.opengeometry.net> <802659.21198.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101206012806.GA15259@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <938623.59337.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well all of this definitely helps me understand the landscape of what I'm dealing with. There's a cash register & drawer and barcode reader and interact console already in the store. So I don't know that that machine understand Batch Data Communication will work on them (maybe so). I'm trying to decide on a bottom line here, in order to have a running system by Dec 15th. Looking at various vendors, but if I could hook up my cash register to a computer and inventory database myself, then that would be good. I've been recommended Lemon POS, OpenBravo, Open ERP, etc. But I'm leaning toward shelling out for an off-the-shelf retail POS solution. The downside of that is that it's probably not going to be an open system or database. If anyone's game, over the next week, to help me put this together... I'll owe you a little more than a beer lol. Tim ________________________________ From: Christopher Browne To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Mon, December 6, 2010 5:55:33 PM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Re:Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Peter wrote: > Anyway doing all this by hand could be an interesting learning project but also > a harsh and possibly painful entry into CRM land (and SAP territory). Yep. SAP territory is where "everything's deeply integrated into one giant database." There's a lot of neat stuff that can be done with that, but it imposes a lot, too. I rather like the "have independent systems, and pull data from them" approach; if you can periodically pull the data underlying the cash register tape out, a lot can be done with that, *without* forcing writing BDC sessions (http://www.sap-img.com/abap/learning-bdc-programming.htm) and such awfulness. If you want tight integration, that's hugely costly. But having a bunch of independent islands isn't without its costs, too :-(. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 03:01:08 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:01:08 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CFDA374.7060009@rogers.com> On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 02:36:40AM -0500, Jason Carson wrote: > What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently using > Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there any others? > Which is generally considered the best? I hear Emacs can be used as an editor. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 05:41:46 2010 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 00:41:46 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101207004146.09e320d4.hgibson@eol.ca> On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 02:36:40 -0500 "Jason Carson" wrote: > Hello everyone, > > What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently using > Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there any others? > Which is generally considered the best? > > Thanks > > Jason Jason, I like Bluefish a lot, as well as emacs. If you want GUI, you can always look into Amaya. My notes are here... http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson/Amaya.html I love vi most of the time, but it sticks tabs into the line. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 05:53:13 2010 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 00:53:13 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: <20101207004146.09e320d4.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20101207004146.09e320d4.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <29f52ce2090f58dfad7c7f6163f8ff22.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> > On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 02:36:40 -0500 > "Jason Carson" wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently using >> Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there any others? >> Which is generally considered the best? >> >> Thanks >> >> Jason > > Jason, > > I like Bluefish a lot, as well as emacs. > > If you want GUI, you can always look into Amaya. My notes are here... > > http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson/Amaya.html > > I love vi most of the time, but it sticks tabs into the line. > > -- > Howard Gibson > hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org > howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org > http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Thanks, I'll take a look at your notes. I have just installed vim so I am going to play around with it tomorrow. I'll be sure to give emacs a try too. Thanks to everyone who chimed in. I will take a look at all of your suggestions over the next few days and see which editor I like best. Cheers, Jason -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 06:16:01 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 01:16:01 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: <20101207004146.09e320d4.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20101207004146.09e320d4.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20101207061601.GA29564@yam.witteman.ca> On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 12:41:46AM -0500, Howard Gibson wrote: > I love vi most of the time, but it sticks tabs into the line. If by this you mean that vi adds tabs if you start a new line after an indented one, you can turn this off with :set nosmarttab. If it is that you get tabs rather than spaces, use :set expandtab. Odds are, if there is something about vi (or vim) that you don't like, you can ask and I or someone else can find a solution. vi is odd in that for something that a lot of people use, no one seems happy with its default behaviour. I spent the year 2004 (I think) learning one new feature of vim a week - I would need to accelerate that pace 1000-fold to learn it all before I die, but I do enjoy using it. I think the only things more feature-rich are operating systems like Linux or emacs. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 06:32:27 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 01:32:27 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CFDD4FB.202@dinamis.com> On 12/06/2010 02:36 AM, Jason Carson wrote: > Hello everyone, > > What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently > using Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there > any others? Which is generally considered the best? "Best" is very subjective, of course. I used to use Quanta Plus extensively on KDE 3 but it hasn't been ported to KDE 4. When I started using KDE 4, I saw no compelling reason to install it since Kate does most of what Quanta did for me anyway. The things that I value in Kate that come to mind are: code folding, the concept of "sessions" so that I can open related sets of files, like for a particular project, at the same time, split screen, ability to grep through a set of files, vi input mode. I also use vim and quite like it. I don't see the advantage of WYSIWG HTML editors, at least the ones I've tried, since the code they output is not very useful if you want to create clean semantic markup. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 16:07:42 2010 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 11:07:42 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CFE5BCE.4040005@alteeve.com> Jason Carson wrote: > Hello everyone, > > What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently using > Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there any others? > Which is generally considered the best? > I've used DreamWeaver, Nvu, Screem, and now Quanta Plus. Tried Amya, BlueFish etc. They all have there pluses and minuses. I went with most of those because of the WYSIWYG ability, however, I find I hardly use that anymore even in Quanta. Partly because its page render dosen't do the job. I usually end up opening the file on a browser or three and viewing the WYG there. (Edit, save, switch to browser, update. repeat) All of them have failed me at times. Quanta is nice cause it adds closing tags automatically and tries to match them when editing. However, sometimes it gets confused and changes the wrong closing tag and makes a right mess of things. When This happens I have to open the code in a test editor and manually repair the damage. Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 16:43:32 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:43:32 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: <27eb4fe00558d7b4a56cd78979129ff9.squirrel-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFD81C8.5040009@gmail.com> <27eb4fe00558d7b4a56cd78979129ff9.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: <20101207164332.GV12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 08:17:45PM -0500, Jason Carson wrote: > Thanks for the link. I would prefer wysiwyg but it's not mandatory. HTML editing by definition is NOT wysiwig given you only get that by testing it in all the different browsers you want it to work with. They each render things slightly differently, since HTML is about content tagging, not formating and presentation. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 17:24:47 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:24:47 -0800 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: <4CFC5C79.7090708-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: FYI, If you're still considering options and don't mind something more pricey, I believe that google's new "Nexus S" (with AndroidOS 2.3) is now out as well.... If you're looking for a good price on the N900... I've been getting emails from this company ever since I bought something on eBay from them awhile back. They seem to have a decent price on the N900, especially since the other link in this thread was around $400-500 http://www.dragonext.com/unlocked-n900-style-quad-band-dual-card-dual-camera-java-qwerty-keypad-cell-phone.html I've only bought from them on eBay though (good seller there), not their site. - On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 7:46 PM, teddy mills wrote: > I am leaning towards the Nokia N900. > > It is not available in Canada, but it can be shipped from US. > There are a few cell phone companies in Toronto that import the N900. > > Anyone on TLUG have an N900? > Simcard and it works with (Bell/Telus/Wind/Moblicity/Fido/ I believe) > > I figure if I am spending 500, I may as well get the phone I want. > My second choice is Google Nexus One. > > It would still have some resale value after 2 years. (not much though) > > Teddy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA ?It can takes months to gain a customer, but only seconds to lose one" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 17:36:09 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:36:09 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > FYI, > > If you're still considering options and don't mind something more > pricey, I believe that google's new "Nexus S" (with AndroidOS 2.3) is > now out as well.... It's not clear if it'll be sold over-the-counter in Canada - the 'exclusive' seller in the US is BestBuy. (And Christmas in Texas may involve one ;-).) It has two odd missing features: - While it has 16GB of storage, which is quite a lot, there's no slot for microSD - No LED notifications -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From david.vangeest-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 17:51:13 2010 From: david.vangeest-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David van Geest) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:51:13 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> FYI, >> >> If you're still considering options and don't mind something more >> pricey, I believe that google's new "Nexus S" (with AndroidOS 2.3) is >> now out as well.... The Nexus S will be available soon (the 16th I think), but unless I am mistaken, it is AWS-only for now (1700/2100 MHz) and would therefore limit you to Wind/Mobilicity. -David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From alexgabriel-CzeTG9NwML0 at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 18:34:39 2010 From: alexgabriel-CzeTG9NwML0 at public.gmane.org (Alex Gabriel) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 13:34:39 -0500 Subject: api.opendesktop.org Prompt Message-ID: I haven't been able to find any information on this issue on the web so I thought I would ask here. Every time I log into Kubuntu 10.10 using the netbook workspace, I receive a prompt asking for login credentials for api.opendesktop.org This comes up whenever I reboot the system, after I see the KDE Wallet prompt to enter the KDE Wallet password to connect to either a wired or wireless connection. I've checked the KDE Wallet manager, and it only lists one entry, under the Network Management system. I assume this is the information required for my network connection at work. I've not entered my wireless data yet, though I'm sure that will create another entry. So far I've noted the following: 1. The prompt only appears when authenticating to the KDE Wallet. 2. The prompt does not appear when using the Desktop workspace. 3. There appears to be, from my limited knowledge of the KDE interface, a connection between the wallet and the OpenDesktop.org system. I could understand this prompt being displayed if there was a widget installed from OpenDesktop, but this is a clean install with only Thunderbird added to the system. I realize I can get rid of the Netbook workspace and go to the Desktop workspace, but I would prefer not to do that. Any assistance/information would be appreciated. -- Alex Gabriel "Do you know what the chain of command is here? It's the chain I go get and beat you with to show you who's in command here." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 18:48:31 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 10:48:31 -0800 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> FYI, >> >> If you're still considering options and don't mind something more >> pricey, I believe that google's new "Nexus S" (with AndroidOS 2.3) is >> now out as well.... > > It's not clear if it'll be sold over-the-counter in Canada - the > 'exclusive' seller in the US is BestBuy. ?(And Christmas in Texas may > involve one ;-).) > > It has two odd missing features: > - While it has 16GB of storage, which is quite a lot, there's no slot > for microSD > - No LED notifications > > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Yeah, no SD card slot kinda sucks... and no LED's just seems dumb. The article you mentioned did mention using an app called "noled" to show notifications on the OLED screen, so I guess that somewhat of a cool use for a no-backlight-required OLED screen. 16GB is a fair bit of storage for a phone, but it would be *really* nice if more android phones had an easy-eject SD card like those pre-smartphones, maybe with some sort of safe-eject (unmount) button or something. I don't understand why they wouldn't at least include the standard under-the-battery style SD card. It seems more like an iPhone, and I *hated* that about my iPhone. -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA ?It can takes months to gain a customer, but only seconds to lose one" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 18:51:07 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 13:51:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Tyler Aviss | If you're looking for a good price on the N900... I've been getting | emails from this company ever since I bought something on eBay from | them awhile back. They seem to have a decent price on the N900, | especially since the other link in this thread was around $400-500 | | http://www.dragonext.com/unlocked-n900-style-quad-band-dual-card-dual-camera-java-qwerty-keypad-cell-phone.html | | I've only bought from them on eBay though (good seller there), not their site. That ain't no N900. Notice the word "style" in the description. First hint: price ($156.54). Second hint "Screen Resolution: VGA (240?320 pixels)" (that isn't VGA resolution and it isn't n900 resolution). Third hint: "Compatible With Nokia Charger/Battery". Anti-hint: "1 x N900 Cell Phone". From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 18:54:12 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 10:54:12 -0800 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:51 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Tyler Aviss > > | If you're looking for a good price on the N900... I've been getting > | emails from this company ever since I bought something on eBay from > | them awhile back. They seem to have a decent price on the N900, > | especially since the other link in this thread was around $400-500 > | > | http://www.dragonext.com/unlocked-n900-style-quad-band-dual-card-dual-camera-java-qwerty-keypad-cell-phone.html > | > | I've only bought from them on eBay though (good seller there), not their site. > > That ain't no N900. ?Notice the word "style" in the description. > > First hint: price ($156.54). > > Second hint "Screen Resolution: VGA (240?320 pixels)" > (that isn't VGA resolution and it isn't n900 resolution). > > Third hint: "Compatible With Nokia Charger/Battery". > > Anti-hint: "1 x N900 Cell Phone". Nice catch... I apologize for mentioning that one. Having not actually used a 900 I wasn't aware of the actual specs/resolution, and I missed the "style" part entirely. Damn knock-offs... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 19:01:44 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 14:01:44 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: You can always wait a few months and get the ANDROID 2.3-based Sony Ericsson PSP smartphone. Michael On 2010-12-07 1:54 PM, "Tyler Aviss" wrote: On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:51 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Tyler Aviss <... Nice catch... I apologize for mentioning that one. Having not actually used a 900 I wasn't aware of the actual specs/resolution, and I missed the "style" part entirely. Damn knock-offs... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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That was what I said. ---------------- There are two styles of these to watch out for, vis-a-vis the Nokia phones... There's the "Chinese Clone Phone" vendor downtown. They are reasonably up-front about the fact that these are "chinese clone phones" as opposed to the real thing. http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/mob/2100255520.html Then there's the fake web site. Lots and lots of items published like this: http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/mob/2076918478.html -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 19:34:01 2010 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:34:01 -0800 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 12:51:13PM -0500, David van Geest wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > >> FYI, > >> > >> If you're still considering options and don't mind something more > >> pricey, I believe that google's new "Nexus S" (with AndroidOS 2.3) is > >> now out as well.... > > The Nexus S will be available soon (the 16th I think), but unless I am > mistaken, it is AWS-only for now (1700/2100 MHz) and would therefore > limit you to Wind/Mobilicity. > > -David Not necessarily. IIRC, it should work on any GSM carrier. The caveat is that you would only get Edge for internet, instead of 3G. If you can live with that, and just use Wifi for faster internet, then it could be an ok deal. -- Brandon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 20:02:40 2010 From: teddymills-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 15:02:40 -0500 Subject: rsync backup Message-ID: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> I rsync from /home/teddy/ to an external USB hard disk. It works fine. rsync -avz --delete --exclude-from '/home/teddy/rsync-exclude' /home/teddy /media/backup /home/teddy/rsync-exclude .gvfs (weird .gvfs, I exclude it) /dev/sdb1 459G 301G 136G 69% /media/backup I decided to put a trailing slash on /home/teddy/ and /media/backup/ and run rsync again. rsync started deleting everything. (--delete) (301GB) I stopped it quick that and took out the slashes and reran rsync. It seems like I am stuck now using it without slashes. Question1: Is there a way I can run rsync with the trailing slashes, without deleting everything? Question2: Before I start the backup, I would like to know if I am getting full USB2 speed. How can I do a non-destructive hdparm test? TIA Teddy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 20:14:14 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 15:14:14 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> Message-ID: However it won't work on Bell, Telus, Virgin On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 12:51:13PM -0500, David van Geest wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tyler Aviss > wrote: > > >> FYI, > > >> > > >> If you're still considering options and don't mind something more > > >> pricey, I believe that google's new "Nexus S" (with AndroidOS 2.3) is > > >> now out as well.... > > > > The Nexus S will be available soon (the 16th I think), but unless I am > > mistaken, it is AWS-only for now (1700/2100 MHz) and would therefore > > limit you to Wind/Mobilicity. > > > > -David > > Not necessarily. IIRC, it should work on any GSM carrier. The caveat is > that you would only get Edge for internet, instead of 3G. If you can > live with that, and just use Wifi for faster internet, then it could be > an ok deal. > -- > Brandon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 20:23:38 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:23:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: rsync backup In-Reply-To: <4CFE92E0.7010703-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <852410.23952.qm@web113413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- > From: teddy mills > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 3:02:40 PM > Subject: [TLUG]: rsync backup > > > I rsync from /home/teddy/ to an external USB hard disk. It works fine. > > rsync -avz --delete --exclude-from '/home/teddy/rsync-exclude' /home/teddy >/media/backup > > /home/teddy/rsync-exclude > .gvfs > > (weird .gvfs, I exclude it) > > > /dev/sdb1 459G 301G 136G 69% /media/backup > > > I decided to put a trailing slash on /home/teddy/ and /media/backup/ > and run rsync again. rsync started deleting everything. (--delete) (301GB) > I stopped it quick that and took out the slashes and reran rsync. > > It seems like I am stuck now using it without slashes. > > Question1: > Is there a way I can run rsync with the trailing slashes, without deleting >everything? Look into /media/backup. I would guess it has /media/backup/teddy. In that case, move all its subdirectory to parent directory. > > Question2: > Before I start the backup, I would like to know if I am getting full USB2 >speed. > How can I do a non-destructive hdparm test? The only thing I know is hdparm -tT -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 20:33:02 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 15:33:02 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: <20101207164332.GV12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFD81C8.5040009@gmail.com> <27eb4fe00558d7b4a56cd78979129ff9.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> <20101207164332.GV12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4CFE99FE.8060503@ve3syb.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > HTML editing by definition is NOT wysiwig given you only get that > by testing it in all the different browsers you want it to work with. > They each render things slightly differently, since HTML is about content > tagging, not formating and presentation. Another reason why WYS is no longer WYG is the use of CSS based pages. A change to the CSS can radically change the look of a page. Its hard enough getting the CSS right so that two different browsers present a page the same way. In the past I have found it was too much to expect a GUI based web page editor to be a decent editor and to display web pages close to how a viewer would display the page let alone being able to properly render CSS based pages. Some years ago I looked briefly at Front Page and Dreamweaver (both Windows programs). I found the generated HTML code was a bit of a mess. It was machine readable but not meant to be human readable due to no use of newlines or indentation to break up the HTML in to easily readable chunks. It was fine if all changes were to be done using the GUI program but not if you just wanted to quickly make some minor change to a page (ie. to fix a typo). When I looked at Nvu (under Linux) it seemed much better about producing human readable HTML files and allowed you to work in GUI mode but still be able to open a tab and alter the HTML source without leaving the Nvu program. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 20:47:23 2010 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 15:47:23 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: <4CFE99FE.8060503-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFD81C8.5040009@gmail.com> <27eb4fe00558d7b4a56cd78979129ff9.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> <20101207164332.GV12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CFE99FE.8060503@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: Expression Web does the dual view source and GUI and it works well. (it also allows you to laucn multiple browser to test look on). The expression blend and sketchflow also are pretty powerful (but for moonlight/silverlight mostly and WPS) Now of course this is a MS product and it cost $$$, but it is pretty slick. I have not seen anything like sketchflow in the linux world, love it if there was. Now i have VISIO and Expression Web/Blend/Design forcing me to keep a Windows VM on my linux box :( tl > machine readable but not meant to be human readable due to no use of > newlines or indentation to break up the HTML in to easily readable chunks. > It was fine if all changes were to be done using the GUI program but not if > you just wanted to quickly make some minor change to a page (ie. to fix a > typo). When I looked at Nvu (under Linux) it seemed much better about > producing human readable HTML files and allowed you to work in GUI mode but > still be able to open a tab and alter the HTML source without leaving the > Nvu program. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 21:58:09 2010 From: avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Volkov) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 16:58:09 -0500 Subject: rsync backup In-Reply-To: <4CFE92E0.7010703-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> Message-ID: Question 1: May I suggest rdiff-backup, it's a wrapper around rsync that stores incremental changes. Much more safe and user friendly Question 2: Have you tried 'lsusb -v' ? There was a script that parsed the output showing a nice usb device tree with the respective speeds of each branch, but I can't find it right now. On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 3:02 PM, teddy mills wrote: > > I rsync from /home/teddy/ to an external USB hard disk. It works fine. > > rsync -avz --delete --exclude-from '/home/teddy/rsync-exclude' /home/teddy > /media/backup > > /home/teddy/rsync-exclude > .gvfs > > (weird .gvfs, I exclude it) > > > /dev/sdb1 459G 301G 136G 69% /media/backup > > > I decided to put a trailing slash on /home/teddy/ and /media/backup/ > and run rsync again. rsync started deleting everything. (--delete) (301GB) > I stopped it quick that and took out the slashes and reran rsync. > > It seems like I am stuck now using it without slashes. > > Question1: > Is there a way I can run rsync with the trailing slashes, without deleting > everything? > > Question2: > Before I start the backup, I would like to know if I am getting full USB2 > speed. > How can I do a non-destructive hdparm test? > > TIA > > Teddy > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Any suggestions? -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 04:09:19 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:09:19 -0500 Subject: rsync backup In-Reply-To: References: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 3:02 PM, teddy mills wrote: >> >> I rsync from /home/teddy/ to an external USB hard disk. It works fine. >> >> rsync -avz --delete --exclude-from '/home/teddy/rsync-exclude' /home/teddy >> /media/backup The --delete flag is really dangerous. If it was not for the -v flag, you would have lost all your data. To avoid that, always run rsync with the -n flag and watch what it intends to do. Its more like a dry run. If what it does match your intention, remove the -n flag and run it again, this time for real I learned the hard way that the -n flag is there for a purpose William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From voidpointer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 05:38:01 2010 From: voidpointer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Nicolaides) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:38:01 -0500 Subject: rsync backup In-Reply-To: References: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7 December 2010 23:09, William Muriithi wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 3:02 PM, teddy mills > wrote: > >> > >> I rsync from /home/teddy/ to an external USB hard disk. It works fine. > >> > >> rsync -avz --delete --exclude-from '/home/teddy/rsync-exclude' > /home/teddy > >> /media/backup > > The --delete flag is really dangerous. If it was not for the -v flag, > you would have lost all your data. > The --delete flag is not that dangerous and in this case it was doing exactly what it was told to do. There is an undocumented feature, if you will, of rsync for the source and destination paths having a trailing slash or not. For the destination path, the presence or not of a trailing slash is completely ignored and does not affect rsync in any way. It's on the source that matters. If the source doesn't have the trailing slash, the directory is copied along with it's contents to the destination. For example, if your source is /home/jason and your destination is /mnt/backups then after running rsync you will have /mnt/backups/jason. If you run rsync with a trailing slash on the source path, however, then rsync will copy only the *contents* of the source directory to the destination. So in our above example, the contents of /home/jason would be copied to /mnt/backups. The reason rsync started deleting everything is because you told it to copy the contents of /home/teddy to /media/backup. Since previous rsyncs have been without a trailing slash on /home/teddy, what you have on your external disks is /media/backup/teddy like William Park said earlier in the thread. When you added the trailing slash on /home/teddy/, rsync looked at /media/backup, saw that there was no teddy folder in your source, and deleted it from the destination. If you had let rsync complete it would have recopied the contents of /home/teddy back onto the external drive, into the /media/backup folder, without the teddy subfolder. Basically a move. It's kind of funny, I was just writing a bash script today at work to backup a subversion repository, and have been reading up on rsync. Check out http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ for some interesting ways of using rsync for hourly/daily/weekly/etc. backups. Oh, this is my first post to the list. Hi! Cheers, Jason Chris Nicolaides -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 07:41:30 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 02:41:30 -0500 Subject: rsync backup In-Reply-To: <4CFE92E0.7010703-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101208074130.GA23052@waltdnes.org> On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 03:02:40PM -0500, teddy mills wrote > I rsync from /home/teddy/ to an external USB hard disk. It works fine. > > rsync -avz --delete --exclude-from '/home/teddy/rsync-exclude' /home/teddy /media/backup [...deletia...] > I decided to put a trailing slash on /home/teddy/ and /media/backup/ > and run rsync again. rsync started deleting everything. (--delete) (301GB) > I stopped it quick that and took out the slashes and reran rsync. That changes the command meaning, which is why the deletions. rsync --blah-blah-blah /home/teddy /media/backup ...is equivalant to... rsync --blah-blah-blah /home/teddy/ /media/backup/teddy The trailing slash after teddy says "do not create a subdirectory at the destination. Just copy direct to destination". To summarize... rsync --blah-blah-blah /home/teddy fubar/ ...copies the contents of teddy to fubar/teddy rsync --blah-blah-blah /home/teddy/ fubar/ ...copies the contents of teddy to fubar -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vic-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 12:02:07 2010 From: vic-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org (Vic Gedris) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 07:02:07 -0500 Subject: rsync backup In-Reply-To: References: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:38 AM, Jason Nicolaides wrote: > > It's kind of funny, I was just writing a bash script today at work to backup > a subversion repository, and have been reading up on rsync.? Check out > http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ for some interesting > ways of using rsync for hourly/daily/weekly/etc. backups. rsnapshot is a backup utility that packages this up very nicely: http://rsnapshot.org/ I've been using it for years. Cheers, Vic Vic Gedris - http://vic.gedris.org Toronto, Ontario, Canada - http://www.junctiontriangle.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From david.vangeest-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 13:49:13 2010 From: david.vangeest-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David van Geest) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:49:13 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 12:51:13PM -0500, David van Geest wrote: >> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> >> FYI, >> >> >> >> If you're still considering options and don't mind something more >> >> pricey, I believe that google's new "Nexus S" (with AndroidOS 2.3) is >> >> now out as well.... >> >> The Nexus S will be available soon (the 16th I think), but unless I am >> mistaken, it is AWS-only for now (1700/2100 MHz) and would therefore >> limit you to Wind/Mobilicity. >> >> -David > > Not necessarily. IIRC, it should work on any GSM carrier. The caveat is > that you would only get Edge for internet, instead of 3G. If you can > live with that, and just use Wifi for faster internet, then it could be > an ok deal. > -- > Brandon I should have been more specific, you're correct. My assumption was that most people would consider no 3G as "not really working" :-). As Dave points out, that only adds Rogers (and anybody who uses their network) as a GSM/Edge possibility -David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 14:59:08 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:59:08 -0500 Subject: rsync backup In-Reply-To: References: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > The --delete flag is not that dangerous and in this case it was doing > exactly what it was told to do.? There is an undocumented feature, if you > will, of rsync for the source and destination paths having a trailing slash > or not.? For the destination path, the presence or not of a trailing slash > is completely ignored and does not affect rsync in any way.? It's on the > source that matters.? If the source doesn't have the trailing slash, the > directory is copied along with it's contents to the destination.? For > example, if your source is /home/jason and your destination is /mnt/backups > then after running rsync you will have /mnt/backups/jason. Agree with what you said. In the above case, he would never have lost his data What I meant is the delete flag can leave you with a white face if you reverse the destination with the source folders. That would leave you with zero data in both folders. I know it sound very unlikely, but it did happen to me and I felt like the biggest moron in the world after realising what I had just done. Thats why I adopted the use of -n flag just to see what is taking place fast. Actually, in the above case, it would have removed all that was in the destination folder and if he had stuffed other data from a different source, that would have been lost as they do not exist in the source directory In short, a dry run does not hurt when doing it manually. William > > If you run rsync with a trailing slash on the source path, however, then > rsync will copy only the contents of the source directory to the > destination.? So in our above example, the contents of /home/jason would be > copied to /mnt/backups. > > The reason rsync started deleting everything is because you told it to copy > the contents of /home/teddy to /media/backup.? Since previous rsyncs have > been without a trailing slash on /home/teddy, what you have on your external > disks is /media/backup/teddy like William Park said earlier in the thread. > When you added the trailing slash on /home/teddy/, rsync looked at > /media/backup, saw that there was no teddy folder in your source, and > deleted it from the destination.? If you had let rsync complete it would > have recopied the contents of /home/teddy back onto the external drive, into > the /media/backup folder, without the teddy subfolder.? Basically a move. > > It's kind of funny, I was just writing a bash script today at work to backup > a subversion repository, and have been reading up on rsync.? Check out > http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ for some interesting > ways of using rsync for hourly/daily/weekly/etc. backups. > > > Oh, this is my first post to the list.? Hi! > > > Cheers, > Jason Chris Nicolaides > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 16:12:23 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:12:23 -0500 Subject: rsync backup In-Reply-To: References: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101208161223.GA23045@yam.witteman.ca> On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 04:58:09PM -0500, Alex Volkov wrote: >Question 1: > >May I suggest rdiff-backup, it's a wrapper around rsync that stores incremental >changes. Much more safe and user friendly I'll second that - I've been happy with rdiff-backup. Especially when one of my users at work came to me and wanted a two-week old version of a document and I was able to retrieve it just by specifying the date. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 16:13:01 2010 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 11:13:01 -0500 Subject: format of next meeting's Dynamic Languages Panel Message-ID: <4CFFAE8D.3070501@rogers.com> Other than the Notes page for the meeting, are there any other guidelines on what to prepare? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From voidpointer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 18:27:44 2010 From: voidpointer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Nicolaides) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:27:44 -0500 Subject: rsync backup In-Reply-To: References: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 8 December 2010 09:59, William Muriithi wrote: > > Agree with what you said. In the above case, he would never have lost his > data > > What I meant is the delete flag can leave you with a white face if you > reverse the destination with the source folders. That would leave you > with zero data in both folders. > > I know it sound very unlikely, but it did happen to me and I felt like > the biggest moron in the world after realising what I had just done. > Thats why I adopted the use of -n flag just to see what is taking > place fast. Actually, in the above case, it would have removed all > that was in the destination folder and if he had stuffed other data > from a different source, that would have been lost as they do not > exist in the source directory > > In short, a dry run does not hurt when doing it manually. > > William I agree with you 100% in using -n to test what rsync is going to do before you commit. Loosing data in that way is ... not fun. To put it mildly. Cheers, Jason Chris Nicolaides -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 19:28:49 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:28:49 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> Message-ID: <20101208192849.GW12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 03:14:14PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > However it won't work on > > Bell, Telus, Virgin Which is why I am not a Bell cell customer anymore. CDMA please go and die already. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 19:36:51 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:36:51 -0500 Subject: OT: Rogers oddity??? Message-ID: Yeah, this is a bit off topic; not sure where else to ask where there would be geographically-relevant folk... I got an odd call from Rogers this morning; they were trying to offer me $50 to not accept any other discounts from Rogers between now and February 2011. That seemed more than sufficiently suspicious to me that I declined the kind offer. They're not going to be offering such purely for my benefit, so it seems unlikely that there isn't something lurking that's worth >>$50. Has anyone else heard similar, or heard of other deals lurking? Perhaps there's some CRTC ruling that will require that they offer something in January, and they're working to cut it off at the pass? -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 20:08:59 2010 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:08:59 +0000 Subject: OT: Rogers oddity??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I received a letter from Bell that states they have to pay me back $67 and that I'd probably rather get a $67 discount on a product or service of my choice. It sounds like Rogers is in the same predicament. I think it's some fund the CRTC had required companies to hold for future use, but now have to distribute back to all home phone users. > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:36:51 -0500 > Subject: [TLUG]: OT: Rogers oddity??? > From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Yeah, this is a bit off topic; not sure where else to ask where there > would be geographically-relevant folk... > > I got an odd call from Rogers this morning; they were trying to offer > me $50 to not accept any other discounts from Rogers between now and > February 2011. That seemed more than sufficiently suspicious to me > that I declined the kind offer. They're not going to be offering such > purely for my benefit, so it seems unlikely that there isn't something > lurking that's worth >>$50. > > Has anyone else heard similar, or heard of other deals lurking? > Perhaps there's some CRTC ruling that will require that they offer > something in January, and they're working to cut it off at the pass? > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 21:08:07 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:08:07 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: <20101208192849.GW12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> <20101208192849.GW12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4CFFF3B7.300@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > CDMA please go and die already. > 3G is also CDMA, but a different flavour though. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 22:25:19 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:25:19 -0800 Subject: OT: Rogers oddity??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:08 PM, wrote: > I received a letter from Bell that states they have to pay me back $67 and > that I'd probably rather get a $67 discount on a product or service of my > choice. It sounds like Rogers is in the same predicament. I think it's some > fund the CRTC had required companies to hold for future use, but now have to > distribute back to all home phone users. > >> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:36:51 -0500 >> Subject: [TLUG]: OT: Rogers oddity??? >> From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> >> Yeah, this is a bit off topic; not sure where else to ask where there >> would be geographically-relevant folk... >> >> I got an odd call from Rogers this morning; they were trying to offer >> me $50 to not accept any other discounts from Rogers between now and >> February 2011. That seemed more than sufficiently suspicious to me >> that I declined the kind offer. They're not going to be offering such >> purely for my benefit, so it seems unlikely that there isn't something >> lurking that's worth >>$50. >> >> Has anyone else heard similar, or heard of other deals lurking? >> Perhaps there's some CRTC ruling that will require that they offer >> something in January, and they're working to cut it off at the pass? >> -- >> http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > It's probably related to the CRTC-mandated rebate.... http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/08/31/crtc-deferral-account-phone.html John, your call from Bell might be about this one, which Bell in trouble for as per here: http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2010/11/30/con-bell-rebate.html -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA ?It can takes months to gain a customer, but only seconds to lose one" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 22:27:34 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:27:34 -0800 Subject: rsync backup In-Reply-To: References: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Jason Nicolaides wrote: > On 7 December 2010 23:09, William Muriithi > wrote: >> >> > >> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 3:02 PM, teddy mills >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I rsync from /home/teddy/ to an external USB hard disk. It works fine. >> >> >> >> rsync -avz --delete --exclude-from '/home/teddy/rsync-exclude' >> >> /home/teddy >> >> /media/backup >> >> The --delete flag is really dangerous. ?If it was not for the -v flag, >> you would have lost all your data. > > The --delete flag is not that dangerous and in this case it was doing > exactly what it was told to do.? There is an undocumented feature, if you > will, of rsync for the source and destination paths having a trailing slash > or not.? For the destination path, the presence or not of a trailing slash > is completely ignored and does not affect rsync in any way.? It's on the > source that matters.? If the source doesn't have the trailing slash, the > directory is copied along with it's contents to the destination.? For > example, if your source is /home/jason and your destination is /mnt/backups > then after running rsync you will have /mnt/backups/jason. > > If you run rsync with a trailing slash on the source path, however, then > rsync will copy only the contents of the source directory to the > destination.? So in our above example, the contents of /home/jason would be > copied to /mnt/backups. > > The reason rsync started deleting everything is because you told it to copy > the contents of /home/teddy to /media/backup.? Since previous rsyncs have > been without a trailing slash on /home/teddy, what you have on your external > disks is /media/backup/teddy like William Park said earlier in the thread. > When you added the trailing slash on /home/teddy/, rsync looked at > /media/backup, saw that there was no teddy folder in your source, and > deleted it from the destination.? If you had let rsync complete it would > have recopied the contents of /home/teddy back onto the external drive, into > the /media/backup folder, without the teddy subfolder.? Basically a move. > > It's kind of funny, I was just writing a bash script today at work to backup > a subversion repository, and have been reading up on rsync.? Check out > http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ for some interesting > ways of using rsync for hourly/daily/weekly/etc. backups. > > > Oh, this is my first post to the list.? Hi! > > > Cheers, > Jason Chris Nicolaides > > Same applies to SCP, if you put in a trailing slash, it copies the contents of the last directory rather than the directory itself... -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA ?It can takes months to gain a customer, but only seconds to lose one" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 22:30:15 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:30:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Rogers oddity??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org | | I received a letter from Bell that states they have to pay me back $67 | and that I'd probably rather get a $67 discount on a product or service | of my choice. It sounds like Rogers is in the same predicament. I think | it's some fund the CRTC had required companies to hold for future use, | but now have to distribute back to all home phone users. Bell was ordered to pay back this money to urban home phone customers. They have decided to offer the option of a larger and more prompt discount on new products. They are encouraging you to buy more from them rather than getting the money back. The first part of this is fluffier than later parts: | > Subject: [TLUG]: OT: Rogers oddity??? | > Yeah, this is a bit off topic; not sure where else to ask where there | > would be geographically-relevant folk... | > | > I got an odd call from Rogers this morning; they were trying to offer | > me $50 to not accept any other discounts from Rogers between now and | > February 2011. That seemed more than sufficiently suspicious to me | > that I declined the kind offer. They're not going to be offering such | > purely for my benefit, so it seems unlikely that there isn't something | > lurking that's worth >>$50. This is about cell phone stuff, right? So I don't know anything about it. I did get an offer from a company soliciting for Rogers Cable a couple of months ago. Note: I was already subscribing to Rogers Cable, and they got my name from Rogers. They offered me a discount in return for locking-in for 1 year. They would get a cut of some kind (remember: they were not actually Rogers and made this clear (possibly by weasle-words that lead me to ask)). Their discount was less than I could have gotten by negotiation with Rogers (threatening switching etc.) but I was too lazy to do that. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 23:03:22 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:03:22 -0500 Subject: rsync backup In-Reply-To: <4CFE92E0.7010703-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101208230322.GX12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 03:02:40PM -0500, teddy mills wrote: > > I rsync from /home/teddy/ to an external USB hard disk. It works fine. > > rsync -avz --delete --exclude-from '/home/teddy/rsync-exclude' > /home/teddy /media/backup > > /home/teddy/rsync-exclude > .gvfs > > (weird .gvfs, I exclude it) > > > /dev/sdb1 459G 301G 136G 69% /media/backup > > > I decided to put a trailing slash on /home/teddy/ and /media/backup/ > and run rsync again. rsync started deleting everything. (--delete) (301GB) > I stopped it quick that and took out the slashes and reran rsync. > > It seems like I am stuck now using it without slashes. > > Question1: > Is there a way I can run rsync with the trailing slashes, without > deleting everything? > > Question2: > Before I start the backup, I would like to know if I am getting full > USB2 speed. > How can I do a non-destructive hdparm test? To rsync, 'foo/' means everything in foo, while 'foo' means foo and everything in foo. Having the ability to make that distinction is very important. So rsync foo/ bar means copy everything in foo to bar. rsync foo bar means rsync foo under bar (so to bar/foo) Read the manual, and learn to use -n and -v to test stuff. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 23:05:52 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:05:52 -0500 Subject: rsync backup In-Reply-To: References: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101208230552.GY12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 12:38:01AM -0500, Jason Nicolaides wrote: > The --delete flag is not that dangerous and in this case it was doing > exactly what it was told to do. There is an undocumented feature, if you > will, of rsync for the source and destination paths having a trailing slash > or not. For the destination path, the presence or not of a trailing slash > is completely ignored and does not affect rsync in any way. It's on the > source that matters. If the source doesn't have the trailing slash, the > directory is copied along with it's contents to the destination. For > example, if your source is /home/jason and your destination is /mnt/backups > then after running rsync you will have /mnt/backups/jason. In rsync man page: A trailing slash on the source changes this behavior to avoid creating an additional directory level at the destination. You can think of a trailing / on a source as meaning "copy the contents of this directory" as opposed to "copy the directory by name", but in both cases the attributes of the containing directory are transferred to the containing directory on the destination. Looks pretty documented to me. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 23:14:03 2010 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:14:03 -0500 Subject: rsync backup In-Reply-To: <20101208230552.GY12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> <20101208230552.GY12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: This is where tab completion can really bite you in the backside. I've had it happen several times when I'm not paying attention and just use tab to fill in the directory for me. To echo what others have said, -n is your friend. On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 12:38:01AM -0500, Jason Nicolaides wrote: > > The --delete flag is not that dangerous and in this case it was doing > > exactly what it was told to do. There is an undocumented feature, if you > > will, of rsync for the source and destination paths having a trailing > slash > > or not. For the destination path, the presence or not of a trailing > slash > > is completely ignored and does not affect rsync in any way. It's on the > > source that matters. If the source doesn't have the trailing slash, the > > directory is copied along with it's contents to the destination. For > > example, if your source is /home/jason and your destination is > /mnt/backups > > then after running rsync you will have /mnt/backups/jason. > > In rsync man page: > A trailing slash on the source changes this behavior to avoid creating > an additional directory level at the destination. You can think of a > trailing / on a source as meaning "copy the contents of this directory" > as opposed to "copy the directory by name", but in both cases the > attributes of the containing directory are transferred to the containing > directory on the destination. > > Looks pretty documented to me. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 06:20:00 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 01:20:00 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: <29f52ce2090f58dfad7c7f6163f8ff22.squirrel-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg@public.gmane.org> References: <20101207004146.09e320d4.hgibson@eol.ca> <29f52ce2090f58dfad7c7f6163f8ff22.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: <4D007510.3010600@gmail.com> On 10-12-07 12:53 AM, Jason Carson wrote: >> On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 02:36:40 -0500 >> "Jason Carson" wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently using >>> Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there any others? >>> Which is generally considered the best? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Jason >> >> Jason, >> >> I like Bluefish a lot, as well as emacs. >> >> If you want GUI, you can always look into Amaya. My notes are here... >> >> http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson/Amaya.html >> >> I love vi most of the time, but it sticks tabs into the line. >> >> -- >> Howard Gibson >> hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org >> howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org >> http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > Thanks, I'll take a look at your notes. > > I have just installed vim so I am going to play around with it tomorrow. > I'll be sure to give emacs a try too. > > Thanks to everyone who chimed in. I will take a look at all of your > suggestions over the next few days and see which editor I like best. > > Cheers, > > Jason FYI: emacs is not a walk in the park kind of get to know the editor, you really need to spend some time to get to know what it can do! it takes a while to ramp-up on, and a bit of effort to set things up. if you're going to be coding it's a great editor, very extensible! http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsNewbie -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-22-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 06:47:40 2010 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:47:40 -0800 Subject: rsync backup In-Reply-To: References: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> <20101208230552.GY12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20101209064740.GB456@towel> On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 06:14:03PM -0500, Jason Shaw wrote: > This is where tab completion can really bite you in the backside. I've had > it happen several times when I'm not paying attention and just use tab to > fill in the directory for me. > > To echo what others have said, -n is your friend. > z-shell's tab-completion gets this right. When tab-completing a directory, it will put the trailing slash there but it defines the following behavior: - If you type a space, that space replaces the trailing slash. (Or the trailing slash disappears and the space is added, if you prefer to see it that way). - If you type a slash, that slash replaces the auto-filled one and will not be taken away (b/c you've explicitly stated that you wanted it by typing it). - If you start typing other characters, the trailing slash stays because presumably you are continuing to type out a full path to something. -- Brandon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 06:56:57 2010 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:56:57 -0800 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: <4CFFF3B7.300-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> <20101208192849.GW12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CFFF3B7.300@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20101209065657.GC456@towel> On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 04:08:07PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >CDMA please go and die already. > 3G is also CDMA, but a different flavour though. > As I understand it, CDMA is the superior tech, but GSM companies tend to be more open. You tend to hear a lot about vendor lock-in and purposely disabled phones with CDMA carriers (Verizon & Sprint in the US, Bell in Canada). [ Though people are railing against AT&T in the US and they are a GSM carrier. ] -- Brandon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 11:42:49 2010 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 06:42:49 -0500 Subject: OT: Rogers oddity??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8 December 2010 14:36, Christopher Browne wrote: > Yeah, this is a bit off topic; not sure where else to ask where there > would be geographically-relevant folk... You could join and ask in the Digital Home (Canada) forums: Use either the "Rogers High Speed Internet and Home Phone" forum or the "Rogers Cable" forum depending on what service it relates to. If this is being offered to a large number of people then there's probably already a thread on the topic, so search first. I've only got Rogers cable. I haven't heard from Rogers yet or seen anything about it in the above Rogers Cable forum. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 13:39:21 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:39:21 -0500 Subject: rsync backup In-Reply-To: <20101209064740.GB456@towel> References: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> <20101208230552.GY12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101209064740.GB456@towel> Message-ID: On 9 December 2010 01:47, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 06:14:03PM -0500, Jason Shaw wrote: >> This is where tab completion can really bite you in the backside. I've had >> it happen several times when I'm not paying attention and just use tab to >> fill in the directory for me. >> >> To echo what others have said, -n is your friend. > > z-shell's tab-completion gets this right. When tab-completing a > directory, it will put the trailing slash there but it defines the > following behavior: I'm not sure that's right: I don't want the shell messing with anything I see unless I specifically told it to. By hitting "Tab" I said "I want you to fill something in for me." By hitting "Space" I said "insert a space here," not "go back and change something that I thought was already written." Yes, theoretically "Tab" should insert a tab character, but that functionality is almost totally unnecessary in the CLI and was highjacked years ago. That can't be said of the Space bar. I understand the motivation behind the idea, but I find it just as undesirable as on-the-fly spelling correction. I don't like computer programs assuming they're smarter than me ... even if they're right. > ?- If you type a space, that space replaces the trailing slash. (Or the > ? trailing slash disappears and the space is added, if you prefer to > ? see it that way). > > ?- If you type a slash, that slash replaces the auto-filled one and will > ? not be taken away (b/c you've explicitly stated that you wanted it by > ? typing it). > > ?- If you start typing other characters, the trailing slash stays > ? because presumably you are continuing to type out a full path to > ? something. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 16:54:08 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 11:54:08 -0500 Subject: OT: Rogers oddity??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > It's probably related to the CRTC-mandated rebate.... > ?http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/08/31/crtc-deferral-account-phone.html Interesting... Sadly not relevant to my particular scenario. I hadn't mentioned, and probably should have, that this related to Rogers mobile services. This means that digitalhome.ca has no useful comment - no relevant area there :-(. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 17:10:11 2010 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 12:10:11 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D010D73.6080504@gmail.com> On 05/12/10 23:05, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:46 PM, teddy mills wrote: >> I am leaning towards the Nokia N900. >> >> It is not available in Canada, but it can be shipped from US. >> There are a few cell phone companies in Toronto that import the N900. > > You should be able to find it in stock at various stores at Pacific Mall. > > Here's a link to a local vendor: > http://sntradersonline.com/phone_details.php?product_id=snp1185 > > The fact that Nokia has dropped support for the Maemo platform is > reason to not consider it quite so highly :-(. Won't Meego run on this device? http://meego.com/ Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 17:16:32 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 12:16:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: filename completion, UTF-16 [was Re: rsync backup] In-Reply-To: References: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> <20101208230552.GY12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101209064740.GB456@towel> Message-ID: | From: Giles Orr | On 9 December 2010 01:47, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: | > z-shell's tab-completion gets this right. When tab-completing a | > directory, it will put the trailing slash there but it defines the | > following behavior: | | I'm not sure that's right: I don't want the shell messing with | anything I see unless I specifically told it to. By hitting "Tab" I | said "I want you to fill something in for me." By hitting "Space" I | said "insert a space here," not "go back and change something that I | thought was already written." Spoken like a touch-typist. I agree. This is somewhat mitigated by the fact that the odd behaviour on SPace is triggered by having previously used tab. But not completely: it means that you need to remember that the shell is in incomplete-tab-completion mode. And modes add a cognitive burden. "Don't mode me in" is an old EMACs-culture refrain that I subscribe to. My guess is that touch-typing habits are swamped by the opposite: the mass of thumb-typing folks that want anything that can save thumb-strokes, including a lot of very modish things. Kids these days! I'm old school. I like EMACS keystrokes but not its complexity ("there's an app for that"). So I use a small subset implementation called JOVE. Richer than nano/pico but small enough that it fit on a 64K machine (PDP-11). Some day I'll switch because I'm too lazy to make JOVE support UTF-8. It survives UTF-8 but doesn't support it. For example, the following line: | > ?- If you type a space, that space replaces the trailing slash. (Or the looks like this to me as I edit it in JOVE: | > \302\240- If you type a space, that space replaces the trailing slash. (Or the My opinion is UTF-16 is a mistake. - a single UTF-16 code unit cannot represent all of Unicode. So each character takes one or two 16-bit code units. So, like UTF-8 (and unlike ASCII, ISO-8859-1, UCS-2, UTF-32) a character is variable length, making processing a little more awkward. - it doubles the size of ordinary text (unlike UTF-8) - I think that it is harder to convert old C code to support UTF-16 than UTF-8. - a chunk of plain ASCII in memory does not look like UTF-16 and vice versa. But it does look like UTF-8 and vice versa. - UTF-16 raises the big-endian vs little-endian issues (in which order do the two bytes go?). Unfortunately, both are legitimate, leading to a having to support both. I seem to recollect HTML standards have to make this surviveable. Sheesh! Yet UTF-16 is what MS Windows, Java, Python, and who knows what else have adopted. I imagine the reason was that they thought UCS-2 was good enough but had to back down to UTF-16 when Han Unification was rejected. UTF-16 replaced UCS-2 in 1996 (according to my reading of Wikipedia). Surely that was early enough to prevent some of those adoptions. Am I wrong? From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 17:18:11 2010 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 12:18:11 -0500 Subject: OT: Ontario Environmental Handling Fees Message-ID: <4D010F53.10809@gmail.com> In case anybody's interested here is the table: http://www.ontarioelectronicstewardship.ca/stewards/fees.html It wasn't easy to find. I was annoyed to find out that I have to pay $12.25 for my new monitor. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 17:49:34 2010 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 12:49:34 -0500 Subject: format of next meeting's Dynamic Languages Panel In-Reply-To: <4CFFAE8D.3070501-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFFAE8D.3070501@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4D0116AE.9080001@gmail.com> On 08/12/10 11:13, Yanni Chiu wrote: > Other than the Notes page for the meeting, are there any other > guidelines on what to prepare? Body armor? ;-) Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 17:58:17 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 12:58:17 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: <20101209065657.GC456@towel> References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> <20101208192849.GW12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CFFF3B7.300@rogers.com> <20101209065657.GC456@towel> Message-ID: <20101209175817.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 10:56:57PM -0800, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > As I understand it, CDMA is the superior tech, but GSM companies tend to > be more open. You tend to hear a lot about vendor lock-in and purposely > disabled phones with CDMA carriers (Verizon & Sprint in the US, Bell in > Canada). [ Though people are railing against AT&T in the US and they are > a GSM carrier. ] Qualcomm owns piles of patents on CDMA. No one else makes CDMA chips. GSM seems to have been the rest of the cell industry joining together to make something that qualcomm didn't have a monopoly on. The sim card is another nice feature of GSM, that CDMA doesn't have. Perhaps in terms of efficient use if the network, CDMA might be technically better, but for the end user the lack of sim card and single supplier of technology is just crap. It doesn't matter how good it might be technically. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 18:04:12 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:04:12 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: <20101209175817.GZ12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> <20101208192849.GW12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CFFF3B7.300@rogers.com> <20101209065657.GC456@towel> <20101209175817.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Hey Lennart, I don't know if you are aware but even Bell,Virgin,Telus have gone with SIM cards. And the new phones with 3G Hspa technology work with all three providers. It is only 2G that doesn't work with them. On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 10:56:57PM -0800, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > > As I understand it, CDMA is the superior tech, but GSM companies tend to > > be more open. You tend to hear a lot about vendor lock-in and purposely > > disabled phones with CDMA carriers (Verizon & Sprint in the US, Bell in > > Canada). [ Though people are railing against AT&T in the US and they are > > a GSM carrier. ] > > Qualcomm owns piles of patents on CDMA. No one else makes CDMA chips. > GSM seems to have been the rest of the cell industry joining together > to make something that qualcomm didn't have a monopoly on. > > The sim card is another nice feature of GSM, that CDMA doesn't have. > > Perhaps in terms of efficient use if the network, CDMA might be > technically better, but for the end user the lack of sim card and single > supplier of technology is just crap. It doesn't matter how good it > might be technically. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 18:05:13 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:05:13 -0500 Subject: Samsung F4 2 TB drive warning... Message-ID: Seems some Samsung 2 TB drives were shipped with buggy firmware that can cause them to loose data, details to be seen here: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/smartmontools/wiki/SamsungF4EGBadBlocks Yes, there is a firmware upgrade available that will fix things and which should be applied ASAP. This story has been all over the MythTV users mailing list, one place filled with users who want LOTS of storage for some reason :-) . Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 18:56:19 2010 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:56:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: <4D007510.3010600-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20101207004146.09e320d4.hgibson@eol.ca> <29f52ce2090f58dfad7c7f6163f8ff22.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> <4D007510.3010600@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Rajinder Yadav wrote: ... > FYI: emacs is not a walk in the park kind of get to know the editor, you > really need to spend some time to get to know what it can do! it takes a > while to ramp-up on, and a bit of effort to set things up. I wrote a .emacs file for a student who was just starting to use emacs. It binds common functions like open and save to function keys. The file is at . -- Chris F.A. Johnson, Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 19:01:03 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:01:03 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> <20101208192849.GW12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CFFF3B7.300@rogers.com> <20101209065657.GC456@towel> <20101209175817.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20101209190103.GA12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 01:04:12PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > I don't know if you are aware but even Bell,Virgin,Telus have gone with SIM > cards. And the new phones with 3G Hspa technology work with all three > providers. It is only 2G that doesn't work with them. I know some Bell phones have a SIM card so that they can roam on GSM networks. Of course I have also never seen an unlocked CDMA phone with a sim slot for sale that you could use on Bell's network in place of a phone from Bell. Working on Bell, Virgin and Telus doesn't interest me. Make it work everywhere in the world, which GSM mostly does. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 19:02:18 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:02:18 -0500 Subject: Samsung F4 2 TB drive warning... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101209190218.GB12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 01:05:13PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > Seems some Samsung 2 TB drives were shipped with buggy firmware that > can cause them to loose data, details to be seen here: > > http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/smartmontools/wiki/SamsungF4EGBadBlocks > > Yes, there is a firmware upgrade available that will fix things and > which should be applied ASAP. > > This story has been all over the MythTV users mailing list, one place > filled with users who want LOTS of storage for some reason :-) . They should go merge with seagate. Then both companies that can't make working firmware would be together. :) Just like gateway, packard bell and emachines are joined these days. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 19:06:35 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:06:35 -0500 Subject: filename completion, UTF-16 [was Re: rsync backup] In-Reply-To: References: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> <20101208230552.GY12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101209064740.GB456@towel> Message-ID: <20101209190635.GC12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 12:16:32PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Spoken like a touch-typist. I agree. > > This is somewhat mitigated by the fact that the odd behaviour on SPace is > triggered by having previously used tab. But not completely: it means > that you need to remember that the shell is in > incomplete-tab-completion mode. And modes add a cognitive burden. > "Don't mode me in" is an old EMACs-culture refrain that I subscribe > to. > > My guess is that touch-typing habits are swamped by the opposite: the > mass of thumb-typing folks that want anything that can save > thumb-strokes, including a lot of very modish things. Kids these days! > > I'm old school. I like EMACS keystrokes but not its complexity > ("there's an app for that"). So I use a small subset implementation > called JOVE. Richer than nano/pico but small enough that it fit on a > 64K machine (PDP-11). > > Some day I'll switch because I'm too lazy to make JOVE support UTF-8. > It survives UTF-8 but doesn't support it. For example, the following > line: > | > ?- If you type a space, that space replaces the trailing slash. (Or the > > looks like this to me as I edit it in JOVE: > | > \302\240- If you type a space, that space replaces the trailing slash. (Or the > > > My opinion is UTF-16 is a mistake. > > - a single UTF-16 code unit cannot represent all of Unicode. So each > character takes one or two 16-bit code units. So, like UTF-8 (and > unlike ASCII, ISO-8859-1, UCS-2, UTF-32) a character is variable > length, making processing a little more awkward. > > - it doubles the size of ordinary text (unlike UTF-8) > > - I think that it is harder to convert old C code to support UTF-16 > than UTF-8. > > - a chunk of plain ASCII in memory does not look like UTF-16 and vice > versa. But it does look like UTF-8 and vice versa. > > - UTF-16 raises the big-endian vs little-endian issues (in which order do > the two bytes go?). Unfortunately, both are legitimate, leading to a > having to support both. I seem to recollect HTML standards have to make > this surviveable. Sheesh! > > Yet UTF-16 is what MS Windows, Java, Python, and who knows what else have > adopted. I imagine the reason was that they thought UCS-2 was good enough > but had to back down to UTF-16 when Han Unification was rejected. > UTF-16 replaced UCS-2 in 1996 (according to my reading of Wikipedia). > Surely that was early enough to prevent some of those adoptions. > > Am I wrong? UTF-16 is useless. It makes ascii take twice the space, and doesn't handle all unicode without multiple chunks anyhow. UTF-8 leaves ascii alone, and handles everything, usually more space efficiently than UTF-16. UTF-16 is simply a bad mistake. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 19:29:36 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:29:36 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: <20101209190103.GA12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> <20101208192849.GW12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CFFF3B7.300@rogers.com> <20101209065657.GC456@towel> <20101209175817.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101209190103.GA12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Oh. Well my wife has a N97 working with Telus, and I have a Nexus One working with Virgin. (Which piggy backs from bell) On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 01:04:12PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > I don't know if you are aware but even Bell,Virgin,Telus have gone with > SIM > > cards. And the new phones with 3G Hspa technology work with all three > > providers. It is only 2G that doesn't work with them. > > I know some Bell phones have a SIM card so that they can roam on GSM > networks. > > Of course I have also never seen an unlocked CDMA phone with a sim > slot for sale that you could use on Bell's network in place of a phone > from Bell. > > Working on Bell, Virgin and Telus doesn't interest me. Make it work > everywhere in the world, which GSM mostly does. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 19:30:17 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:30:17 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> <20101208192849.GW12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CFFF3B7.300@rogers.com> <20101209065657.GC456@towel> <20101209175817.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101209190103.GA12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Both phones were purchased unlocked from Pacific Mall and Google :) On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Oh. Well my wife has a N97 working with Telus, and I have a Nexus One > working with Virgin. (Which piggy backs from bell) > > > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Lennart Sorensen < > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 01:04:12PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> > I don't know if you are aware but even Bell,Virgin,Telus have gone with >> SIM >> > cards. And the new phones with 3G Hspa technology work with all three >> > providers. It is only 2G that doesn't work with them. >> >> I know some Bell phones have a SIM card so that they can roam on GSM >> networks. >> >> Of course I have also never seen an unlocked CDMA phone with a sim >> slot for sale that you could use on Bell's network in place of a phone >> from Bell. >> >> Working on Bell, Virgin and Telus doesn't interest me. Make it work >> everywhere in the world, which GSM mostly does. >> >> -- >> Len Sorensen >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > > > > Dave Germiquet > > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 19:44:28 2010 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 14:44:28 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: <20101209190103.GA12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> <20101208192849.GW12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CFFF3B7.300@rogers.com> <20101209065657.GC456@towel> <20101209175817.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101209190103.GA12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D01319C.5020109@gmail.com> On 09/12/10 14:01, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 01:04:12PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> I don't know if you are aware but even Bell,Virgin,Telus have gone with SIM >> cards. And the new phones with 3G Hspa technology work with all three >> providers. It is only 2G that doesn't work with them. > > I know some Bell phones have a SIM card so that they can roam on GSM > networks. > > Of course I have also never seen an unlocked CDMA phone with a sim > slot for sale that you could use on Bell's network in place of a phone > from Bell. > > Working on Bell, Virgin and Telus doesn't interest me. Make it work > everywhere in the world, which GSM mostly does. According to the Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Mobility) Bell Mobility is a CDMA and a HSPA+ based wireless network. And according to the entry on HSPA+ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSPA%2B) Rogers, Telus, and Bell all have HSPA+ networks. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 19:50:31 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 11:50:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Samsung F4 2 TB drive warning... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <661912.96230.qm@web113417.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Crap! I got bitten by Seagate before, and now Samsung... ----- Original Message ---- > From: Colin McGregor > To: tlug ; UU > Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 1:05:13 PM > Subject: [TLUG]: Samsung F4 2 TB drive warning... > > Seems some Samsung 2 TB drives were shipped with buggy firmware that > can cause them to loose data, details to be seen here: > > http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/smartmontools/wiki/SamsungF4EGBadBlocks > > Yes, there is a firmware upgrade available that will fix things and > which should be applied ASAP. > > This story has been all over the MythTV users mailing list, one place > filled with users who want LOTS of storage for some reason :-) . > > > Colin. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 20:01:41 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:01:41 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> <20101208192849.GW12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CFFF3B7.300@rogers.com> <20101209065657.GC456@towel> <20101209175817.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101209190103.GA12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 14:29, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Oh. Well my wife has a N97 working with Telus, and I have a Nexus One > working with Virgin. (Which piggy backs from bell) > > Dave Germiquet > It doesn't only piggy back on Bell, Bell owns Virgin. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 20:02:14 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:02:14 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: <4D01319C.5020109-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> <20101208192849.GW12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CFFF3B7.300@rogers.com> <20101209065657.GC456@towel> <20101209175817.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101209190103.GA12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D01319C.5020109@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: >> Working on Bell, Virgin and Telus doesn't interest me. ?Make it work >> everywhere in the world, which GSM mostly does. > > According to the Wikipedia entry > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Mobility) Bell Mobility is a CDMA and a > HSPA+ based wireless network. > > And according to the entry on HSPA+ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSPA%2B) Rogers, Telus, and Bell all have > HSPA+ networks. The tales I'm hearing of late are that all the new phones tend to work on all of Robellus. There were two versions of Nexus One released, one that was only compatible with (Rogers, Wind, Mobilicity), and the other compatible with (Robellus but not Wind/Mobilicity). -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 20:13:10 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:13:10 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> <20101208192849.GW12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CFFF3B7.300@rogers.com> <20101209065657.GC456@towel> <20101209175817.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101209190103.GA12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D01319C.5020109@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well the speeds really suck during the day on Virgin. I get like 50-200KB per second download in the afternoon and 5kilobytes a second upload. When its at night time, or weekend i get alot faster, (the speeds they advertise) On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Ivan Avery Frey > wrote: > >> Working on Bell, Virgin and Telus doesn't interest me. Make it work > >> everywhere in the world, which GSM mostly does. > > > > According to the Wikipedia entry > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Mobility) Bell Mobility is a CDMA and > a > > HSPA+ based wireless network. > > > > And according to the entry on HSPA+ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSPA%2B) Rogers, Telus, and Bell all have > > HSPA+ networks. > > The tales I'm hearing of late are that all the new phones tend to work > on all of Robellus. > > There were two versions of Nexus One released, one that was only > compatible with (Rogers, Wind, Mobilicity), and the other compatible > with (Robellus but not Wind/Mobilicity). > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Is there some reason that hard drives have stalled out at 2TB in size? 2TB drives have been available for over a year(?), I would've expected the appearance of a 3TB drive months ago. I have vague memories of some problem addressing the space on drives over 2TB: it seems likely this is the problem because at a purely mechanical level you can "just add another platter" ... P.S. W.D. and Seagate each -announced- 2TB drives in January and February of 2009. I wasn't able to verify the release date of either, but I think it's safe to say we've had them over a year. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 21:06:19 2010 From: instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (aaron d) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:06:19 -0500 Subject: OT: Ontario Environmental Handling Fees In-Reply-To: <4D010F53.10809-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D010F53.10809@gmail.com> Message-ID: Why were you annoyed? You, and other consumers will have to take your complex electronic waste somewhere once it's useful life to you is finished. That means someone has to pay for it: Read: http://www.recycleyourelectronics.ca/electronics/FAQ.aspx How is the Program Funded? > The program is funded by fees paid to OES by manufacturers and importers of electronics in Ontario (called Stewards). These funds are used exclusively to pay for collection, transportation, consolidation and processing of electronic waste as well as research and consumer education programs to encourage greater electronic equipment reuse and recycling. In some cases, Stewards absorb the fees they pay to OES. In others, Stewards may choose to reflect these costs at the point of purchase. The fees are used exclusively to promote and support the safe and responsible reuse and recycling of electronic waste in the province. None of the funds go to government. Will It Cost Me Anything To Take Old Electronics To a Collection Event or Facility? You can drop off unwanted electronic waste at OES-approved collection sites free-of-charge. For each collection location, check which materials are accepted by searching the information on this website. Please note that while OES provides support to many municipal, private and not-for-profit organizations under the program, OES cannot guarantee that all collectors offer collection services free-of-charge. Which to me means, pay for it at one point, or another. I dont think the program itself is a problem, and it's by no means the first of it's kind (nor the last). -aaron On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > In case anybody's interested here is the table: > http://www.ontarioelectronicstewardship.ca/stewards/fees.html > > It wasn't easy to find. I was annoyed to find out that I have to pay $12.25 > for my new monitor. > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 21:26:31 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:26:31 -0500 Subject: HDs stalled at 2TB? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101209212631.GD12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 03:58:12PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > Is there some reason that hard drives have stalled out at 2TB in size? > 2TB drives have been available for over a year(?), I would've > expected the appearance of a 3TB drive months ago. I have vague > memories of some problem addressing the space on drives over 2TB: it > seems likely this is the problem because at a purely mechanical level > you can "just add another platter" ... > > P.S. > W.D. and Seagate each -announced- 2TB drives in January and February > of 2009. I wasn't able to verify the release date of either, but I > think it's safe to say we've had them over a year. WD sells 3TB drives. http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/western-digital-western-digital-caviar-green-3tb-internal-desktop-hard-drive-wd30ezrsdtl-wd30ezrsdtl/10160188.aspx Of course you can't use a dos partition table, so windows can't boot from it unless your machine uses EFI and you run 64bit windows. Linux has no problem booting from a normal BIOS using grub2 and a GPT. 32bit windows will work with it using GPT as a secondary or external drive. Well Vista and newer will. XP just won't. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 21:28:07 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:28:07 -0500 Subject: OT: Ontario Environmental Handling Fees In-Reply-To: References: <4D010F53.10809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101209212807.GE12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 04:06:19PM -0500, aaron d wrote: > Why were you annoyed? You, and other consumers will have to take your > complex electronic waste somewhere once it's useful life to you is finished. > That means someone has to pay for it: > > Read: http://www.recycleyourelectronics.ca/electronics/FAQ.aspx > > How is the Program Funded? > > > > The program is funded by fees paid to OES by manufacturers and importers of > electronics in Ontario (called Stewards). These funds are used exclusively > to pay for collection, transportation, consolidation and processing of > electronic waste as well as research and consumer education programs to > encourage greater electronic equipment reuse and recycling. > > > In some cases, Stewards absorb the fees they pay to OES. In others, Stewards > may choose to reflect these costs at the point of purchase. The fees are > used exclusively to promote and support the safe and responsible reuse and > recycling of electronic waste in the province. None of the funds go to > government. > > > > Will It Cost Me Anything To Take Old Electronics To a Collection Event or > Facility? > > > You can drop off unwanted electronic waste at OES-approved collection sites > free-of-charge. For each collection location, check which materials are > accepted by searching the information on this website. Please note that > while OES provides support to many municipal, private and not-for-profit > organizations under the program, OES cannot guarantee that all collectors > offer collection services free-of-charge. > > > > Which to me means, pay for it at one point, or another. I dont think the > program itself is a problem, and it's by no means the first of it's kind > (nor the last). It actually sounds like you might get to pay when you buyit AND when you get rid of it, if your municipality doesn't think they have got enough money to dispose of it yet. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 21:36:57 2010 From: instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (aaron d) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:36:57 -0500 Subject: OT: Ontario Environmental Handling Fees In-Reply-To: <20101209212807.GE12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4D010F53.10809@gmail.com> <20101209212807.GE12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Not true. Again, check the website. Many location in my town are accepting for free, even for non-residents of the area. You can get details on each of the locations in your area (and others) and those with fees or residency restrictions appear to be clearly noted. **disclaimer - I dont work for these guys, any of the drop points, or the govn't. I just bought a TV and had to pay the ~25 bucks. -aaron On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 04:06:19PM -0500, aaron d wrote: > > Why were you annoyed? You, and other consumers will have to take your > > complex electronic waste somewhere once it's useful life to you is > finished. > > That means someone has to pay for it: > > > > Read: http://www.recycleyourelectronics.ca/electronics/FAQ.aspx > > > > How is the Program Funded? > > > > > > > The program is funded by fees paid to OES by manufacturers and > importers of > > electronics in Ontario (called Stewards). These funds are used > exclusively > > to pay for collection, transportation, consolidation and processing of > > electronic waste as well as research and consumer education programs to > > encourage greater electronic equipment reuse and recycling. > > > > > > In some cases, Stewards absorb the fees they pay to OES. In others, > Stewards > > may choose to reflect these costs at the point of purchase. The fees are > > used exclusively to promote and support the safe and responsible reuse > and > > recycling of electronic waste in the province. None of the funds go to > > government. > > > > > > > > Will It Cost Me Anything To Take Old Electronics To a Collection Event or > > Facility? > > > > > > You can drop off unwanted electronic waste at OES-approved collection > sites > > free-of-charge. For each collection location, check which materials are > > accepted by searching the information on this website. Please note that > > while OES provides support to many municipal, private and not-for-profit > > organizations under the program, OES cannot guarantee that all collectors > > offer collection services free-of-charge. > > > > > > > > Which to me means, pay for it at one point, or another. I dont think the > > program itself is a problem, and it's by no means the first of it's kind > > (nor the last). > > It actually sounds like you might get to pay when you buyit AND when you > get rid of it, if your municipality doesn't think they have got enough > money to dispose of it yet. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 21:42:23 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:42:23 -0500 Subject: OT: Ontario Environmental Handling Fees In-Reply-To: <20101209212807.GE12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4D010F53.10809@gmail.com> <20101209212807.GE12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > It actually sounds like you might get to pay when you buyit AND when you > get rid of it, if your municipality doesn't think they have got enough > money to dispose of it yet. The wording is pretty weaselly... It's not a tax... but the government requires you to pay it. It may be applied the costs of disposing of things... Unless it isn't. It may cover the costs... Unless it doesn't... It's annoying to be charged something for ... We're not sure what ... Uncertain that who or what it will be used for ... Uncertain that there mightn't be more charged later. Or not. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 22:08:14 2010 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 17:08:14 -0500 Subject: filename completion, UTF-16 [was Re: rsync backup] In-Reply-To: <20101209190635.GC12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFE92E0.7010703@gmail.com> <20101208230552.GY12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101209064740.GB456@towel> <20101209190635.GC12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D01534E.7070205@the-wire.com> On 10-12-09 02:06 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 12:16:32PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> Spoken like a touch-typist. I agree. >> >> This is somewhat mitigated by the fact that the odd behaviour on SPace is >> triggered by having previously used tab. But not completely: it means >> that you need to remember that the shell is in >> incomplete-tab-completion mode. And modes add a cognitive burden. >> "Don't mode me in" is an old EMACs-culture refrain that I subscribe >> to. >> >> My guess is that touch-typing habits are swamped by the opposite: the >> mass of thumb-typing folks that want anything that can save >> thumb-strokes, including a lot of very modish things. Kids these days! >> >> I'm old school. I like EMACS keystrokes but not its complexity >> ("there's an app for that"). So I use a small subset implementation >> called JOVE. Richer than nano/pico but small enough that it fit on a >> 64K machine (PDP-11). >> >> Some day I'll switch because I'm too lazy to make JOVE support UTF-8. >> It survives UTF-8 but doesn't support it. For example, the following >> line: >> |> - If you type a space, that space replaces the trailing slash. (Or the >> >> looks like this to me as I edit it in JOVE: >> |> \302\240- If you type a space, that space replaces the trailing slash. (Or the >> >> >> My opinion is UTF-16 is a mistake. >> >> - a single UTF-16 code unit cannot represent all of Unicode. So each >> character takes one or two 16-bit code units. So, like UTF-8 (and >> unlike ASCII, ISO-8859-1, UCS-2, UTF-32) a character is variable >> length, making processing a little more awkward. >> >> - it doubles the size of ordinary text (unlike UTF-8) >> >> - I think that it is harder to convert old C code to support UTF-16 >> than UTF-8. >> >> - a chunk of plain ASCII in memory does not look like UTF-16 and vice >> versa. But it does look like UTF-8 and vice versa. >> >> - UTF-16 raises the big-endian vs little-endian issues (in which order do >> the two bytes go?). Unfortunately, both are legitimate, leading to a >> having to support both. I seem to recollect HTML standards have to make >> this surviveable. Sheesh! >> >> Yet UTF-16 is what MS Windows, Java, Python, and who knows what else have >> adopted. I imagine the reason was that they thought UCS-2 was good enough >> but had to back down to UTF-16 when Han Unification was rejected. >> UTF-16 replaced UCS-2 in 1996 (according to my reading of Wikipedia). >> Surely that was early enough to prevent some of those adoptions. >> >> Am I wrong? > > UTF-16 is useless. It makes ascii take twice the space, and doesn't > handle all unicode without multiple chunks anyhow. UTF-8 leaves ascii > alone, and handles everything, usually more space efficiently than UTF-16. > UTF-16 is simply a bad mistake. I tried to track down the truth about Python this morning, but I had trouble finding answers that seemed definitive enough. Python 3, of course, now uses Unicode as its native string type. Internally it stores strings as UCS-2 or UCS-4, depending on an option set when the Python package is compiled. This settles the matter as far as pure Python library modules are concerned, but modules coded in other languages and supplied as .so or .dll have to match, or else. Most pre-compiled Python releases seem to have gone with UCS-2. I'm forced to just assume that the possible UCS-2 glitches are handled right, where necessary -- that is that a = "?????????????" print (len (a)) will print 13, and that b = a[5:9] print (b) will reliably print "????" (whatever that means -- I can't actually read Chinese.) Unicode encodings are separate from concerns about internal representation. It's up to the program to control the encoding when Unicode strings are written to files and devices (and the decoding when read from.) That's where choices like UTF-8 (the only encoding I've had any need to use) vs UTF-16 or any of the many others come into play. Mel. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 22:58:02 2010 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 17:58:02 -0500 Subject: OT: Ontario Environmental Handling Fees In-Reply-To: References: <4D010F53.10809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D015EFA.8060707@gmail.com> On 09/12/10 16:06, aaron d wrote: > > Why were you annoyed? You, and other consumers will have to take your > complex electronic waste somewhere once it's useful life to you is > finished. That means someone has to pay for it: Annoyed, doesn't necessarily mean opposed. I thought eco fees had been cancelled because of the fiasco earlier this year. In fact they have, but this fee wasn't one of them. Personally I would prefer if the manufacturers/importers paid for the fee themselves. Then it would be included in the purchase price and there would be no annoying surprises. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 23:11:53 2010 From: instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (aaron d) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 18:11:53 -0500 Subject: OT: Ontario Environmental Handling Fees In-Reply-To: <4D015EFA.8060707-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D010F53.10809@gmail.com> <4D015EFA.8060707@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > > Annoyed, doesn't necessarily mean opposed. I thought eco fees had been > cancelled because of the fiasco earlier this year. In fact they have, but > this fee wasn't one of them. > > Personally I would prefer if the manufacturers/importers paid for the fee > themselves. Then it would be included in the purchase price and there would > be no annoying surprises. > > Fair enough, but they DO pay the fee, and then they pass it on. In some cases, Stewards absorb the fees they pay to OES. In others, Stewards > may choose to reflect these costs at the point of purchase. I think you are saying you just want it rolled into the price and forget about it? I am definitely the opposite. I would rather have it as a bullet point on my bill. Gives me something to hold up and bitch about later if something goes wrong. I know where I bought my TV (Leon's), they made a point of telling me about the program and fee (I was prepared and knew already) and they gave me a pamphlet as well. That's miles ahead of what we did for Californians years ago when I worked for a computer-sales call centre. -aaron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 04:15:15 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 23:15:15 -0500 Subject: [OT] Quebec's public sector eyes free software Message-ID: http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/Quebec+public+sector+eyes+free+software/3952041/story.html -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 06:54:47 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 22:54:47 -0800 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> <20101208192849.GW12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CFFF3B7.300@rogers.com> <20101209065657.GC456@towel> <20101209175817.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: >From earlier experience, it seemed to me that CDMA may have had better range, but GSM better building penetration. Where I used to live, Telus (CDMA) went farther, but often suffered heavy drop indoors where Rogers (GSM) was less affected. On 2010-12-09 9:58 AM, "Lennart Sorensen" wrote: On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 10:56:57PM -0800, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > As I understand it, CDMA is th... Qualcomm owns piles of patents on CDMA. No one else makes CDMA chips. GSM seems to have been the rest of the cell industry joining together to make something that qualcomm didn't have a monopoly on. The sim card is another nice feature of GSM, that CDMA doesn't have. Perhaps in terms of efficient use if the network, CDMA might be technically better, but for the end user the lack of sim card and single supplier of technology is just crap. It doesn't matter how good it might be technically. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 06:55:20 2010 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 22:55:20 -0800 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> <20101208192849.GW12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CFFF3B7.300@rogers.com> <20101209065657.GC456@towel> <20101209175817.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20101209190103.GA12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4D01319C.5020109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101210065520.GE456@towel> On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 03:02:14PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Ivan Avery Frey > wrote: > >> Working on Bell, Virgin and Telus doesn't interest me. ?Make it work > >> everywhere in the world, which GSM mostly does. > > > > According to the Wikipedia entry > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Mobility) Bell Mobility is a CDMA and a > > HSPA+ based wireless network. > > > > And according to the entry on HSPA+ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSPA%2B) Rogers, Telus, and Bell all have > > HSPA+ networks. > > The tales I'm hearing of late are that all the new phones tend to work > on all of Robellus. > > There were two versions of Nexus One released, one that was only > compatible with (Rogers, Wind, Mobilicity), and the other compatible > with (Robellus but not Wind/Mobilicity). > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > In the US, at least I thought that there were 3 versions of the NexusOne released: - One for AT&T (GSM) - One for T-Mobile (GSM) - One for Verizon (CDMA) The difference between the AT&T and T-Mobile ones were just the 3G tech, so *technically* still compatible between networks for Edge+Phone. -- Brandon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 11:58:02 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 06:58:02 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> <20101207193401.GB4474@towel> <20101208192849.GW12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4CFFF3B7.300@rogers.com> <20101209065657.GC456@towel> <20101209175817.GZ12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4D0215CA.5060307@rogers.com> Tyler Aviss wrote: > From earlier experience, it seemed to me that CDMA may have had better > range, but GSM better building penetration. Where I used to live, > Telus (CDMA) went farther, but often suffered heavy drop indoors where > Rogers (GSM) was less affected. You can't make that sort of comparison by comparing two different carriers. The cell sites and other factors will be different between the two. Also CDMA range often depends on how many are using a site and it's also more sensitive to noise levels. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 12:37:29 2010 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 07:37:29 -0500 Subject: OT: Rogers oddity??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9 December 2010 11:54, Christopher Browne wrote: >?I hadn't mentioned, and probably should have, that this related > to Rogers mobile services. ?This means that digitalhome.ca has > no useful comment - no relevant area there :-(. Would the "Rogers, Fido and Chatr Wireless" forum be relevant"? -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 18:08:57 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 13:08:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Dell 27" monitor on sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Giles Orr | Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:56:49 -0400 | 27" monitor, 2560 x 1440. May even be Lennart-approved! (Oh am I | going to catch it if it's not ...) | | On special today for $779. | | Damn I want that - but I just got back from a bank-emptying vacation. | And it does seem to come up for sale every few months. Another chance for the U2711. Only $749.99 today. And, if you buy through paypal you get $50 cash back (a special promotion for Dell purchases over $599 until the 15th). - 2560x1440 - IPS - HDMI, DVI-D, DP, VGA, Component Video, Composite Video Or you can get a refurb iMac with a similar 27" panel for $1349.00 from the Canadian Apple Store (note: as far as I'm concerned refurb apple products sold through the Apple Store are as essentially good as new: same warranty, no fingerprints). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 19:04:00 2010 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:04:00 -0500 Subject: Dell 27" monitor on sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: THanks! just picked one up, it is same length res (2560) as my HP30", (rot landscape), so now i will dual with that and get 3040 x 2560 proper rect. res. (i hate dualing with dif res monitors (in height) as you miss stuff "placed" in the void.) its 2.5 inch smaller in length (height) when side by side with HP, but i will pull the dell closer, so to my view I will see it pretty similar. It will be a bit freaky going across two monitors not the same, but the HP30" is a few years old, and the new are still expensive, and also they "burn in" too much for my liking. Now i just have to hope i can rotate in on the vesa mount like i did the HP, else i will have to get out the duct tape :) I see the paypal 50$ off link when i checked out, but when i clicked it, it was 404 error, so i hope they don't try to wiggle out of that. It stated 50$ off , but "terms", i am guessing its 50$ back to your paypal account to be used there, or something. Anyways, many thanks for the heads up email, x-mas is coming early this year!. I bought a additional dvi cable that was listed with that item as a accessories (as i have two machines sharing in the dual view), I HOPE they were smart enough to make sure its a dual link dvi, but i examined the spec and it didn't say, but it will be fault on them if it isn't. tl On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:08 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Giles Orr > | Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:56:49 -0400 > > | 27" monitor, 2560 x 1440. ?May even be Lennart-approved! ?(Oh am I > | going to catch it if it's not ...) > | > | On special today for $779. > | > | Damn I want that - but I just got back from a bank-emptying vacation. > | ?And it does seem to come up for sale every few months. > > Another chance for the U2711. ?Only $749.99 today. ?And, if you buy > through paypal you get $50 cash back (a special promotion for Dell > purchases over $599 until the 15th). > > > > - 2560x1440 > - IPS > - HDMI, DVI-D, DP, VGA, Component Video, Composite Video > > Or you can get a refurb iMac with a similar 27" panel for $1349.00 > from the Canadian Apple Store (note: as far as I'm concerned refurb > apple products sold through the Apple Store are as essentially good as > new: same warranty, no fingerprints). > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 19:44:57 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:44:57 -0500 Subject: How to save FlashPlayer video? Message-ID: <20101210194457.GA7750@node1.opengeometry.net> Slightly off topic... Episodes of TV dramas are available on website as FlashPlayer video. In order to save bandwidth and to keep my own collection of the shows, I would like to save them to disk first, and then play later. How do you save flashplayer video for later viewing? Is it possible at all? -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 19:48:17 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:48:17 -0500 Subject: How to save FlashPlayer video? In-Reply-To: <20101210194457.GA7750-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20101210194457.GA7750@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4D028401.8020306@dinamis.com> On 12/10/2010 02:44 PM, William Park wrote: > Slightly off topic... > Episodes of TV dramas are available on website as FlashPlayer video. In > order to save bandwidth and to keep my own collection of the shows, I > would like to save them to disk first, and then play later. > > How do you save flashplayer video for later viewing? Is it possible at > all? I've done this with Flash webinars using RealPlayer on Windows. I haven't done it on Linux so it would be a useful thing for me to know as well, though the GoToMeeting Java applet insists that I run an "unsupported" browser/operating system if I attempt to join a webinar using Firefox Linux. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 19:49:08 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:49:08 -0500 Subject: How to save FlashPlayer video? In-Reply-To: <20101210194457.GA7750-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20101210194457.GA7750@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 2:44 PM, William Park wrote: > Slightly off topic... > Episodes of TV dramas are available on website as FlashPlayer video. ?In > order to save bandwidth and to keep my own collection of the shows, I > would like to save them to disk first, and then play later. > > How do you save flashplayer video for later viewing? ?Is it possible at > all? There has been a bit of an arms race surrounding this sort of thing... There are web extensions such as the following one for Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006/ I have seen some indication that operators of web sites that publish such try to "spike" these sorts of tools, hence the "arms race." A particular tool may or may not work next week... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 20:49:44 2010 From: andrej-igvx78u1SeH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:49:44 -0500 Subject: How to save FlashPlayer video? In-Reply-To: References: <20101210194457.GA7750@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > > There has been a bit of an arms race surrounding this sort of thing... > There are web extensions such as the following one for Firefox: > ? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006/ > > I have seen some indication that operators of web sites that publish > such try to "spike" these sorts of tools, hence the "arms race." ?A > particular tool may or may not work next week... I've had good success with Flashgot, by the author of NoScript. He's definitely active in the arms race, as the updates come fast and furious. It'll use the downloader of your choice, including Firefox itself. The way these things (and Realplayer) work is that they sniff all the HTTP requests that Firefox makes, looking for media requests. So they'll work for Flash video served by HTTP but not RTMP -- that's a whole other ballgame. Also, something I saw first with Silverlight video (for the Olympics) but that's cropped up a few times with Flash too is adaptive streaming, where a video is served up in small chunks, each with different quality settings depending on network conditions. Flashgot can't handle that: it sees one of these streams as a huge number of tiny, discrete files. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From alexgabriel-CzeTG9NwML0 at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 21:39:36 2010 From: alexgabriel-CzeTG9NwML0 at public.gmane.org (Alex Gabriel) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:39:36 +0000 Subject: How to save FlashPlayer video? Message-ID: <46235528-1292017176-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-17391744-@bda695.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Well, the one tool I use is a site called Flash Video Downloader. The site is http://www.flashvideodownloader.org/ I'm not sure if it will work with the specific site on which you're watching Flash videos, but it has worked very well for me in the time I've used it. ------Original Message------ From: William Park Sender: owner-tlug at ss.org To: tlug at ss.org ReplyTo: tlug at ss.org Subject: [TLUG]: How to save FlashPlayer video? Sent: Dec 10, 2010 2:44 PM Slightly off topic... Episodes of TV dramas are available on website as FlashPlayer video. In order to save bandwidth and to keep my own collection of the shows, I would like to save them to disk first, and then play later. How do you save flashplayer video for later viewing? Is it possible at all? -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists Alex Gabriel Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 21:39:58 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:39:58 -0500 Subject: How to save FlashPlayer video? In-Reply-To: <20101210194457.GA7750-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20101210194457.GA7750@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4D029E2E.1020803@ve3syb.ca> William Park wrote: > How do you save flashplayer video for later viewing? Is it possible at > all? It is possible to save the video files. There are several ways to do this. Download Helper is a Firefox plug-in which can help. However, it doesn't always maintain proper sync between audio and video after it has saved and converted the file to an avi. Some flash videos will only play properly using the viewer on the page for the video. Watching a saved copy of the video results in color shifting or other video artifacts. This is probably because they don't want you saving the video. The gmplayer program can usually play the original .flv files without problems. When using Firefox, the easy way to save the Flash video being downloaded by the flash player embedded in the webpage is to wait until the web page player indicates the video has fully buffered on your local computer then just copy and rename the file with the name /tmp/Flash... to some other directory. A bit of work with Google can turn up AVI or DIVX video files that may have better quality than a Flash based video. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 21:56:21 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:56:21 -0500 Subject: How to save FlashPlayer video? In-Reply-To: <4D029E2E.1020803-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20101210194457.GA7750@node1.opengeometry.net> <4D029E2E.1020803@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: There's also Youtube-dl, which is a package available on Debian and I would imagine others. Haven't used it in awhile though. On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > William Park wrote: >> >> How do you save flashplayer video for later viewing? ?Is it possible at >> all? > > It is possible to save the video files. There are several ways to do this. > Download Helper is a Firefox plug-in which can help. However, it doesn't > always maintain proper sync between audio and video after it has saved and > converted the file to an avi. > > Some flash videos will only play properly using the viewer on the page for > the video. Watching a saved copy of the video results in color shifting or > other video artifacts. This is probably because they don't want you saving > the video. > > The gmplayer program can usually play the original .flv files without > problems. When using Firefox, the easy way to save the Flash video being > downloaded by the flash player embedded in the webpage is to wait until the > web page player indicates the video has fully buffered on your local > computer then just copy and rename the file with the name /tmp/Flash... to > some other directory. > > A bit of work with Google can turn up AVI or DIVX video files that may have > ?better quality than a Flash based video. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 11 17:45:32 2010 From: jmyshrall-v+ARZjKqHIj3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:45:32 -0500 Subject: How to save FlashPlayer video? In-Reply-To: <4D029E2E.1020803-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20101210194457.GA7750@node1.opengeometry.net> <4D029E2E.1020803@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <4D03B8BC.9010101@yaknet.ca> On 10/12/10 16:39, Kevin Cozens wrote: > William Park wrote: >> How do you save flashplayer video for later viewing? Is it possible at >> all? > > It is possible to save the video files. There are several ways to do > this. Download Helper is a Firefox plug-in which can help. However, it > doesn't always maintain proper sync between audio and video after it > has saved and converted the file to an avi. > > Some flash videos will only play properly using the viewer on the page > for the video. Watching a saved copy of the video results in color > shifting or other video artifacts. This is probably because they don't > want you saving the video. > > The gmplayer program can usually play the original .flv files without > problems. When using Firefox, the easy way to save the Flash video > being downloaded by the flash player embedded in the webpage is to > wait until the web page player indicates the video has fully buffered > on your local computer then just copy and rename the file with the > name /tmp/Flash... to some other directory. > > A bit of work with Google can turn up AVI or DIVX video files that may > have better quality than a Flash based video. We use download helper when downloading flash videos for the kids homework and then use WinFF to covert it to a suitable format. Works great. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 02:46:01 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 21:46:01 -0500 Subject: War veterans of the future... Message-ID: <4D0588E9.9080602@rogers.com> http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/editorial-cartoons/3963163.bin ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 15:32:42 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:32:42 -0500 Subject: Satellite hardware to giveaway Message-ID: Several weeks ago I got several Echostar DP301 satellite receivers. Before getting them I had done a very quick search on "Echostar DP301" and "free" thinking these receivers could be used for FTA (Free To Air) use... Turns out folks with the DP301 talk free they are talking pirated stuff. I have no issues with the FTA stuff, where the signal is free with the blessing of the broadcaster, but I do have an issue with "free" as in pirated, just not a space I am interested in operating in... So, anyone on this list want to take one or more (up to four) Echostar DP301 satellite receivers off my hands? Also, I have one JVC 7400 satellite receiver with the same issues as the Echostar DP301 to get rid of. I have the boxes, without manuals / remote controls. If you want to play in pirate space, or are looking for parts to be stripped for other electronic projects I don't care, I just want these units gone with as little hassle to myself as possible. I will be at the GTALug meeting on 14th of Dec. and could bring the boxes there, or I would be game for other arrangements... If interested let me know how we could best cross paths. Colin. P.S. If anyone has a dish antenna suitable for FTA use (70+ cm) that they would like to get rid of, let me know as I could be very interested... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 16:48:59 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:48:59 -0500 Subject: OT: Anyone Have An External HDD...? Message-ID: Does anyone have an external hdd, about 100 -- or more -- GB in size that I can borrow, so I can backup my files on the laptop so I can then send it in for warranty repair? -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 17:01:06 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:01:06 -0500 Subject: OT: Anyone Have An External HDD...? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D065152.5030003@alteeve.com> On 12/13/2010 11:48 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Does anyone have an external hdd, about 100 -- or more -- GB in size > that I can borrow, so I can backup my files on the laptop so I can > then send it in for warranty repair? If you can come by my office (Adelaide and Yonge area), I can backup your data for you here. I don't have any spare drives that I can give out that I would also trust to be reliable for a sole backup. :) -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 17:07:57 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:07:57 -0500 Subject: OT: Ontario Environmental Handling Fees In-Reply-To: <4D010F53.10809-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D010F53.10809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D0652ED.5050400@ve3syb.ca> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > In case anybody's interested here is the table: > http://www.ontarioelectronicstewardship.ca/stewards/fees.html This message thread got me thinking of some questions about the program. How is the average user expected to know if they should be charged an environmental handling fee for an item? How are they supposed to know if the fee being charged is the "correct" amount? How can we know if the companies collecting these fees are passing on the amounts collected? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 17:49:02 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:49:02 -0500 Subject: OT: Ontario Environmental Handling Fees In-Reply-To: <4D0652ED.5050400-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4D010F53.10809@gmail.com> <4D0652ED.5050400@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:07, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Ivan Avery Frey wrote: >> >> In case anybody's interested here is the table: >> http://www.ontarioelectronicstewardship.ca/stewards/fees.html > > This message thread got me thinking of some questions about the program. > > How is the average user expected to know if they should be charged an > environmental handling fee for an item? How are they supposed to know if the > fee being charged is the "correct" amount? How can we know if the companies > collecting these fees are passing on the amounts collected? > -- When I worked at Wal-Mart in Calgary, we had some info sheets, etc. showing what fee you were paying depending on the item and what size the item was -- the latter was more for TVs -- of course Ontario more or less got the idea of this fee from Alberta. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ushnish.sengupta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 18:36:06 2010 From: ushnish.sengupta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ushnish Sengupta) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:36:06 -0500 Subject: OT: Ontario Environmental Handling Fees In-Reply-To: References: <4D010F53.10809@gmail.com> <4D0652ED.5050400@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: Hi I can provide a bit more insight into OES, as Free Geek Toronto is an authorized collector and refurbisher. A key point before I dive into the the details is that we refurbish a lot of incoming Windows desktops into Linux Ubuntu desktops, so be prepared for the flood of Linux newbies that will make it onto TLUG! Any offers of help to enable newbies make the most of their Linux experience would be much appreciated! Re OES So Free Geek Toronto aka Cyberequality is an authorized collector and refurbisher for OES (Ontario Electronic Stewardship). http://www.ontarioelectronicstewardship.ca/reusers/reusers.html The fee that consumers and producers pay when purchasing a new item goes into a pool from which we get a small portion to collect and refurbish items that people discard after use. So for example we get ~$200 per metric tonne, that's cents per desktop, more for monitors since they are heavier. The fees also goes to processors for processing the items into reusable materials. Free Geek Toronto is not a processor. We also get a small fee ( a couple of dollars) for every item we refurbish and put into reuse. We definitely follow a Reuse first , Reduce second and Recycle policy where we reduce and reuse before recycling. The fourth "R" we add to the mix is Reintegration i.e. Reintegration of individuals who are getting left behind in the digital divide not only to become Linux users, but hopefully eventually contributors to the broader Linux community. So if anyone wants to help us collect additional windows desktops to refurbish them and repurpose them as Linux Ubuntu desktops, feel free to contact me: Ushnish Sengupta ushnish.sengupta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (647) 210 2524 On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:07, Kevin Cozens wrote: > > Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > >> > >> In case anybody's interested here is the table: > >> http://www.ontarioelectronicstewardship.ca/stewards/fees.html > > > > This message thread got me thinking of some questions about the program. > > > > How is the average user expected to know if they should be charged an > > environmental handling fee for an item? How are they supposed to know if > the > > fee being charged is the "correct" amount? How can we know if the > companies > > collecting these fees are passing on the amounts collected? > > -- > > > When I worked at Wal-Mart in Calgary, we had some info sheets, etc. > showing what fee you were paying depending on the item and what size > the item was -- the latter was more for TVs -- of course Ontario more > or less got the idea of this fee from Alberta. > > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 18:48:43 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:48:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Are you running Linux as your desktop? In-Reply-To: References: <20101021001929.19f1f815.hgibson@eol.ca> <20101113140842.d9d951c4.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: | Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 12:20:07 -0500 (EST) | From: D. Hugh Redelmeier | | From: D. Hugh Redelmeier | | | Linux fans (like me) don't always add up the time we spend to do | | things the better way. | | Example from last night: | | I wanted to put a newer release on a notebook. As I mentioned in that message, I installed Ubuntu 10.10 on that notebook. I also installed Fedora 14. Suspend/resume would hang hard under Ubuntu 10.10 and Fedora 14. But not Ubuntu 9.10. After much searching and researching, I found that this was the problem: You can see my addition at the end. Work-around: add the kernel parameter acpi_sleep=nonvs. Yet another example of how using Linux costs us time. Note: I'm not saying Linux is at fault, only that its users pay a price. It sure looks to me as if the fault is a bad BIOS but that's never going to be fixed. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 20:49:26 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:49:26 -0500 Subject: Help with patch Message-ID: Hello pals, I am trying to install a cacti plug-in architecture and I am having difficulties patching one file and wonder if someone can point me on how to work on it manually Essentially, after patch was done, I was left with 3 files for the problematic patch data_sources.php.orig data_sources.php data_sources.php.rej I am assuming data_sources.php is a new files with as some hunks seem to have been applied successfully. I run a diff between data_sources.php.orig and data_sources.php and it looks as follows [root at gmkdxfdl cacti]# diff data_sources.php data_sources.php.orig 47,48d46 < $ds_actions = api_plugin_hook_function('data_source_action_array', $ds_actions); < 407,408d404 < } else { < api_plugin_hook_function('data_source_action_execute', $_POST['drp_action']); 552,557d547 < }else{ < $save['drp_action'] = $_POST['drp_action']; < $save['ds_list'] = $ds_list; < $save['ds_array'] = (isset($ds_array)? $ds_array : array()); < api_plugin_hook_function('data_source_action_prepare', $save); < $save_html = " "; 696,697d685 < api_plugin_hook('data_source_edit_top'); < 990,991d977 < api_plugin_hook('data_source_edit_bottom'); < 992a979 > The reject file has the following contents:- [root at gmkdxfdl cacti]# cat data_sources.php.rej *************** *** 1310,1315 **** $i = 0; if (sizeof($data_sources) > 0) { foreach ($data_sources as $data_source) { $data_template_name = ((empty($data_source["data_template_name"])) ? "None" : $data_source["data_template_name"]); $data_input_name = ((empty($data_source["data_input_name"])) ? "External" : $data_source["data_input_name"]); $poller_interval = ((isset($poller_intervals[$data_source["local_data_id"]])) ? $poller_intervals[$data_source["local_data_id"]] : 0); --- 1323,1329 ---- $i = 0; if (sizeof($data_sources) > 0) { foreach ($data_sources as $data_source) { + $data_source = api_plugin_hook_function('data_sources_table', $data_source); $data_template_name = ((empty($data_source["data_template_name"])) ? "None" : $data_source["data_template_name"]); $data_input_name = ((empty($data_source["data_input_name"])) ? "External" : $data_source["data_input_name"]); $poller_interval = ((isset($poller_intervals[$data_source["local_data_id"]])) ? $poller_intervals[$data_source["local_data_id"]] : 0); How would one go about applying the rejected hunk to the data_sources.php file now? Is it possible? William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 21:22:07 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:22:07 -0500 Subject: Help with patch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101213212207.GF12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 03:49:26PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: > Hello pals, > > > I am trying to install a cacti plug-in architecture and I am having > difficulties patching one file and wonder if someone can point me on > how to work on it manually > > Essentially, after patch was done, I was left with 3 files for the > problematic patch > > data_sources.php.orig > data_sources.php > data_sources.php.rej > > I am assuming data_sources.php is a new files with as some hunks seem > to have been applied successfully. > > I run a diff between data_sources.php.orig and data_sources.php and it > looks as follows > > [root at gmkdxfdl cacti]# diff data_sources.php data_sources.php.orig > 47,48d46 > < $ds_actions = api_plugin_hook_function('data_source_action_array', > $ds_actions); > < > 407,408d404 > < } else { > < api_plugin_hook_function('data_source_action_execute', > $_POST['drp_action']); > 552,557d547 > < }else{ > < $save['drp_action'] = $_POST['drp_action']; > < $save['ds_list'] = $ds_list; > < $save['ds_array'] = (isset($ds_array)? $ds_array : array()); > < api_plugin_hook_function('data_source_action_prepare', $save); > < $save_html = " onClick='window.history.back()'>  value='Continue'>"; > 696,697d685 > < api_plugin_hook('data_source_edit_top'); > < > 990,991d977 > < api_plugin_hook('data_source_edit_bottom'); > < > 992a979 > > > > > The reject file has the following contents:- > > [root at gmkdxfdl cacti]# cat data_sources.php.rej > *************** > *** 1310,1315 **** > $i = 0; > if (sizeof($data_sources) > 0) { > foreach ($data_sources as $data_source) { > $data_template_name = > ((empty($data_source["data_template_name"])) ? "None" : > $data_source["data_template_name"]); > $data_input_name = ((empty($data_source["data_input_name"])) ? > "External" : $data_source["data_input_name"]); > $poller_interval = > ((isset($poller_intervals[$data_source["local_data_id"]])) ? > $poller_intervals[$data_source["local_data_id"]] : 0); > --- 1323,1329 ---- > $i = 0; > if (sizeof($data_sources) > 0) { > foreach ($data_sources as $data_source) { > + $data_source = api_plugin_hook_function('data_sources_table', > $data_source); > $data_template_name = > ((empty($data_source["data_template_name"])) ? "None" : > $data_source["data_template_name"]); > $data_input_name = ((empty($data_source["data_input_name"])) ? > "External" : $data_source["data_input_name"]); > $poller_interval = > ((isset($poller_intervals[$data_source["local_data_id"]])) ? > $poller_intervals[$data_source["local_data_id"]] : 0); > > > > How would one go about applying the rejected hunk to the > data_sources.php file now? Is it possible? You manually edit the new data_sources.php and do whatever the patch in data_sources.php.rej says. Usually rejects are due to unrelated changes in surounding lines. The data_sources.php.orig is the file before anything was applied as you correctly guessed. In this case, all that is in the .rej file is adding one line (flagged by the + at the start of the line) in between the lines it shows, which should be somewhere around line 1326 or so. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 21:44:18 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:44:18 -0500 Subject: Help with patch In-Reply-To: <20101213212207.GF12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20101213212207.GF12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: > You manually edit the new data_sources.php and do whatever the patch in > data_sources.php.rej says. ?Usually rejects are due to unrelated changes > in surounding lines. > Thanks a lot. There was a comment that seem to have been inserted that the patch was not expecting. The data_sources.php looked like this around this hunk $i = 0; if (sizeof($data_sources) > 0) { foreach ($data_sources as $data_source) { /* we're escaping strings here, so no need to escape them on form_selectable_cell */ $data_template_name = ((empty($data_source["data_template_name"])) ? "None" : htmlspecialchars($data_source["data_template_name"])); $data_input_name = ((empty($data_source["data_input_name"])) ? "External" : htmlspecialchars($data_source["data_input_name"])); $poller_interval = ((isset($poller_intervals[$data_source["local_data_id"]])) ? $poller_intervals[$data_source["local_data_id"]] : 0); I was looking at how to add the whole section, instead of one line and that is why I couldn't find a way. I was completely blind to the "+", but now it makes perfect sense Thank you a lot again William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 15:01:08 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 07:01:08 -0800 Subject: Samsung F4 2 TB drive warning... In-Reply-To: <20101209190218.GB12911-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20101209190218.GB12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 01:05:13PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: >> ?Seems some Samsung 2 TB drives were shipped with buggy firmware that >> can cause them to loose data, details to be seen here: >> >> http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/smartmontools/wiki/SamsungF4EGBadBlocks >> >> Yes, there is a firmware upgrade available that will fix things and >> which should be applied ASAP. >> >> This story has been all over the MythTV users mailing list, one place >> filled with users who want LOTS of storage for some reason :-) . > > They should go merge with seagate. ?Then both companies that can't make > working firmware would be together. :) > > Just like gateway, packard bell and emachines are joined these days. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Or HP and Compaq :-) -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA "Computers don't make mistakes. They can, however, execute those provided to them very quickly" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andmalc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 15:27:18 2010 From: andmalc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrew Malcolmson) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:27:18 -0500 Subject: KVM-based VPS hosting Message-ID: I've been using Linode to host a Debian VPS and love the support tools, the fast network connection, and processing speed (faster than any machine I'll ever own). However I have found Xen a hassle (obscure errors when booting a custom kernel) and want to move to KVM-based hosting. I now have an image at Perfohost, a Montreal KVM provider. While their support was helpful in getting me over some self-induced setup issues, the network connection and processing are slow. I know Rackspace and others are developing OpenStack, an open source cloud hosting infrastructure which supports KVM but doesn't seem to be ready for commercial use. Any others out there, preferably Canadian? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 00:47:11 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:47:11 -0500 Subject: Web development editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D08100F.4000406@gmail.com> On 10-12-06 02:36 AM, Jason Carson wrote: > Hello everyone, > > What are my options for web page editors on Linux (I am currently using > Ubuntu 10.10). I know of Bluefish and Quanta Plus. Are there any others? > Which is generally considered the best? > > Thanks > > Jason > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists this is a cool demo of using yasnippet with emacs for html editing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2r8JfJJgy8 too bad there is no audio! -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 16:50:57 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:50:57 -0500 Subject: Samsung F4 2 TB drive warning... In-Reply-To: References: <20101209190218.GB12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20101215165057.GG12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 07:01:08AM -0800, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Or HP and Compaq :-) I actually thought compaq was better before HP took them over. They did ruin DEC on the other hand, so perhaps they deserve to be in HP where they like the destroy good things. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 18:59:03 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:59:03 -0500 Subject: nexus one Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know where I can buy a nexus one unlocked in toronto? Is the nexus one unlockable to a provider? Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 19:38:17 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:38:17 -0500 Subject: nexus one Message-ID: I bought mine from Google, but they stopped selling them. Dave Germiquet wrote: >Hi, > >Does anyone know where I can buy a nexus one unlocked in toronto? > >Is the nexus one unlockable to a provider? > > >Dave Germiquet From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 19:52:47 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:52:47 -0500 Subject: nexus one In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know where I can buy a nexus one unlocked in toronto? > > Is the nexus one unlockable to a provider? They're probably available at Pacific Mall... They're definitely available from Mobilicity. http://store.mobilicity.ca/product.asp?pf_id=37102M I don't believe there's a locking arrangement on them. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ushnish.sengupta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 20:08:18 2010 From: ushnish.sengupta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ushnish Sengupta) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:08:18 -0500 Subject: Any experience with Zoneminder Software for cameras? Message-ID: We need to install some security cameras and most of the cameras out there come equipped with a Windows application. The only Open Source application we have been able to identify that works with different cameras is Zoneminder. http://www.zoneminder.com/ Anybody have positive or negative experiences with Zoneminder? Any other open source alternatives for managing cameras out there? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 20:28:21 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:28:21 -0500 Subject: nexus one In-Reply-To: <4D09242C.5060808-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4D09242C.5060808@dinamis.com> Message-ID: I'm not a big fan of shopping over seas. No Car, currency is changing alot lately. Customs. On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:25 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 12/15/2010 02:10 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > >> Why not wait for the Samsung/Google Nexus S, it'll probably be sold >> locked& unlocked. >> > > The Nexus S supposedly went on sale this morning at Best Buy in the U.S. > but I don't see any availability on their web site. > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Customs. > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:25 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY < > clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> On 12/15/2010 02:10 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: >> >>> Why not wait for the Samsung/Google Nexus S, it'll probably be sold >>> locked& unlocked. >>> >> >> The Nexus S supposedly went on sale this morning at Best Buy in the U.S. >> but I don't see any availability on their web site. >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Clifford Ilkay >> Dinamis >> 1419-3266 Yonge St. >> Toronto, ON >> Canada M4N 3P6 >> >> >> +1 416-410-3326 >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > > > > Dave Germiquet > > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." - Charles Babbage "Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code will be a violent psychopath who knows where you live." - Martin Golding -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 20:51:56 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:51:56 -0500 Subject: nexus one In-Reply-To: <4D09242C.5060808-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4D09242C.5060808@dinamis.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 15:25, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > The Nexus S supposedly went on sale this morning at Best Buy in the U.S. but > I don't see any availability on their web site. > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada ?M4N 3P6 We're most likely going to get it in Canada soon. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 21:11:07 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:11:07 -0500 Subject: Thanks. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101215211107.GA7866@node1.opengeometry.net> I was planning to attend, but encountered unexpected problem while studying for final exam. :-( So, which language did you decide to use? -- William On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 03:33:06PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > I just wanted to publicly thank everyone who spoke or moderated at > last evening's language smackdown. It was interesting and I hope > something like this is done again late next year. > > Something that sort of relates is this list of programming related quotes: > > http://www.junauza.com/2010/12/top-50-programming-quotes-of-all-time.html > > My favorite three are: > > "Talk is cheap. Show me the code." > - Linus Torvalds > > "On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament]: 'Pray, > Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right > answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of > confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." > - Charles Babbage > > "Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code will be a > violent psychopath who knows where you live." > - Martin Golding > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 21:58:56 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:58:56 -0500 Subject: Thanks. In-Reply-To: <20101215211107.GA7866-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20101215211107.GA7866@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 4:11 PM, William Park wrote: > I was planning to attend, but encountered unexpected problem while > studying for final exam. :-( > > So, which language did you decide to use? For what task? One point that was made clear last evening was the different areas each language was strong and weak in. For example LISP's strength in doing artificial intelligence work was clearly noted, as was Erlang's ability to produce programs that could be upgraded while the program was running (Erlang having been developed by telephone switch builder Ericsson). Colin. > -- > William > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 03:33:06PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: >> I just wanted to publicly thank everyone who spoke or moderated at >> last evening's language smackdown. It was interesting and I hope >> something like this is done again late next year. >> >> Something that sort of relates is this list of programming related quotes: >> >> http://www.junauza.com/2010/12/top-50-programming-quotes-of-all-time.html >> >> My favorite three are: >> >> "Talk is cheap. Show me the code." >> - Linus Torvalds >> >> "On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament]: 'Pray, >> Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right >> answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of >> confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." >> - Charles Babbage >> >> "Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code will be a >> violent psychopath who knows where you live." >> - Martin Golding >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 05:51:36 2010 From: daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org (Daniel Wayne Armstrong) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 00:51:36 -0500 Subject: Thanks. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > I just wanted to publicly thank everyone who spoke or moderated at > last evening's language smackdown. It was interesting and I hope > something like this is done again late next year. I would like to add my thanks as well... As a (very) newbie to programming I found having advocates for a few different languages in the room together at the same time interesting. Great idea and great participants! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 16:20:48 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:20:48 -0500 Subject: nexus one In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tip: buy an HTC Desire (under contract or not - your choice). It's probably the most hackable android phone right now. I have one and I'm running a custom ROM with lots of goodies. There's a one-click solution to root the phone in first place: http://unrevoked.com >From then on, you can find mor info at the XDA Forum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=809328 - FZ On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 13:59, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know where I can buy a nexus one unlocked in toronto? > > Is the nexus one unlockable to a provider? > > > Dave Germiquet > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 16:24:27 2010 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:24:27 -0500 Subject: Sys Admin Position at OCAD Message-ID: <1292516667.1840.4.camel@jimslaptop> The position calls for some Linux experience.. https://tbe.taleo.net/NA6/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=OCAD&cws=1&rid=62 Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 16:33:38 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:33:38 -0500 Subject: Inventory and POS/Cash Solutions In-Reply-To: <938623.59337.qm-74ZYx1M47v4HBU+L9ui1Svu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <542893.90918.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205053316.GA12373@node1.opengeometry.net> <641827.51635.qm@web111515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101205201706.GA13569@node1.opengeometry.net> <802659.21198.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20101206012806.GA15259@node1.opengeometry.net> <938623.59337.qm@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D0A3F62.6080602@ve3syb.ca> Timothy Washington wrote: > I'm trying to decide on a bottom line here, in order to have a running system by > Dec 15th. Looking at various vendors, but if I could hook up my cash register to > a computer and inventory database myself, then that would be good. Did you get something set up by your deadline? Any updates on this you care to share? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 18:19:36 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:19:36 -0500 Subject: Smithsonian Celebrates COBOL's 50th Anniversary With New Site Message-ID: This is more for the programmers on the list, sadly, I'm not one of them, I suck at math, so I know I wouldn't even be able to program. Anyeverhow, here's a brief excerpt from the site, a link to it will follow: One of the oldest programming languages, COBOL (COmmon Business-Oriented Language) turned 50 this past week. On December 6, 1960, COBOL was first used on two different makes of computers, proving that compatibility across systems could be achieved. To celebrate the anniversary, the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History built out a new section of their website (http://americanhistory.si.edu/exhibitions/small_exhibition.cfm?key=1267&exkey=988&pagekey=989) dedicated to documenting the language's history; a related exhibit will open at the museum this spring. "Written initially for the short range, COBOL proved so useful that it dominated much of government and business data processing for decades," the new website explains. "Millions of banking transactions are still processed daily with COBOL programs. As the use of common programming languages became standard, a flourishing independent computer software industry emerged." http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2010/12/smithsonian-celebrates-cobols-50th-anniversary-with-new-website/68101/ -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 18:45:23 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 10:45:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Smithsonian Celebrates COBOL's 50th Anniversary With New Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <153499.99650.qm@web113404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I wonder what will happen when the last COBOL programmer dies... -- William ----- Original Message ---- > From: Michael Lauzon > To: GTALUG > Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 1:19:36 PM > Subject: [TLUG]: Smithsonian Celebrates COBOL's 50th Anniversary With New Site > > This is more for the programmers on the list, sadly, I'm not one of > them, I suck at math, so I know I wouldn't even be able to program. > Anyeverhow, here's a brief excerpt from the site, a link to it will > follow: > > One of the oldest programming languages, COBOL (COmmon > Business-Oriented Language) turned 50 this past week. On December 6, > 1960, COBOL was first used on two different makes of computers, > proving that compatibility across systems could be achieved. To > celebrate the anniversary, the Smithsonian's National Museum of > American History built out a new section of their website >(http://americanhistory.si.edu/exhibitions/small_exhibition.cfm?key=1267&exkey=988&pagekey=989) >) > dedicated to documenting the language's history; a related exhibit > will open at the museum this spring. > > "Written initially for the short range, COBOL proved so useful that it > dominated much of government and business data processing for > decades," the new website explains. "Millions of banking transactions > are still processed daily with COBOL programs. As the use of common > programming languages became standard, a flourishing independent > computer software industry emerged." > >http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2010/12/smithsonian-celebrates-cobols-50th-anniversary-with-new-website/68101/ >/ > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 18:52:18 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:52:18 -0500 Subject: Smithsonian Celebrates COBOL's 50th Anniversary With New Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101216185218.GA30075@yam.witteman.ca> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 01:19:36PM -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: >This is more for the programmers on the list, sadly, I'm not one of >them, I suck at math, so I know I wouldn't even be able to program. This is a myth I'd like to dispel. My math skills are extremely rudimentary, but I can and do program all the time. I have even, for several stretches, been paid to program (exclusively, whereas now my programming skills are just part of what I am paid for), though I am self-taught and have only high school math under my belt. There are programming tasks in which math skills are hugely important and an understanding of the underlying concepts may be essential, but a great deal of programming, especially modern programming, is not math-based and where math knowledge is irrelevant. Web programming is a domain in which there is little or no math, and which are still lucrative, rewarding and valuable. Just because you cannot solve for "x" doesn't mean you cannot program. Not programming is the only thing that is preventing mathematically unskilled people from programming. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 22:33:37 2010 From: sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org (sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:33:37 -0500 Subject: Smithsonian Celebrates COBOL's 50th Anniversary With New Site In-Reply-To: <20101216185218.GA30075-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20101216185218.GA30075@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <52eb755ba6766026b24d608fbda52c52.squirrel@mail.vex.net> More to the no-math idea, I still own a book by Doug Cooper called Oh! Pascal!, whose idea for delivery of programming concepts was to teach it with as little math as possible. The last edition I am aware of was published in 1993, and I see that on Amazon, it still sells for 75 bucks. It had some really fascinating programming problems in it. I got my copy used, an earlier edition, for just 2 or 3 dollars. Books like this make me wish that Pascal was back again as a teaching language (or that production languages like Lazarus were more popular). Paul > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 01:19:36PM -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: >>This is more for the programmers on the list, sadly, I'm not one of >>them, I suck at math, so I know I wouldn't even be able to program. > > This is a myth I'd like to dispel. My math skills are extremely > rudimentary, but I can and do program all the time. I have even, for > several stretches, been paid to program (exclusively, whereas now my > programming skills are just part of what I am paid for), though I > am self-taught and have only high school math under my belt. > > There are programming tasks in which math skills are hugely important > and an understanding of the underlying concepts may be essential, but a > great deal of programming, especially modern programming, is not > math-based and where math knowledge is irrelevant. > > Web programming is a domain in which there is little or no math, and > which are still lucrative, rewarding and valuable. > > Just because you cannot solve for "x" doesn't mean you cannot program. > Not programming is the only thing that is preventing mathematically > unskilled people from programming. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 22:43:34 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:43:34 -0500 Subject: Delicious bookmarks service "sunset" Message-ID: It's "not dead, but it's smelling funny"... http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/16/is-yahoo-shutting-down-del-icio-us/ I quite liked it; fair ability to back it up and push/pull bookmarks on demand. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 22:57:29 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:57:29 -0800 Subject: Smithsonian Celebrates COBOL's 50th Anniversary With New Site In-Reply-To: References: <20101216185218.GA30075@yam.witteman.ca> <52eb755ba6766026b24d608fbda52c52.squirrel@mail.vex.net> Message-ID: I'll jump in on this. You don't have to be a math whiz, but often being good with patterns/logic is very useful. IMHO, coding is great for NOT doing math. Drop the formula in a function and let the computer do the work. Name/comment your code well and you don't have to remember all those pesky formulas... Code is kinda like spreadsheets but better: a way to get a lot of calculations done with a minimum of input/remembering, and a lot of accuracy (so long as you watch for rounding and old Pentium processors) On 2010-12-16 2:33 PM, wrote: More to the no-math idea, I still own a book by Doug Cooper called Oh! Pascal!, whose idea for delivery of programming concepts was to teach it with as little math as possible. The last edition I am aware of was published in 1993, and I see that on Amazon, it still sells for 75 bucks. It had some really fascinating programming problems in it. I got my copy used, an earlier edition, for just 2 or 3 dollars. Books like this make me wish that Pascal was back again as a teaching language (or that production languages like Lazarus were more popular). Paul > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 01:19:36PM -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: >>This is more for the programmer... The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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I know someone that graduated in 2001 that does cobol programming for a living and enjoys it (he also likes wearing a suit to work, so well who knows). :) I expect him to be around for a while. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 03:11:44 2010 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:11:44 -0500 Subject: Delicious bookmarks service "sunset" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D0AD4F0.4050501@gmail.com> On 10-12-16 17:43 , Christopher Browne wrote: > > I quite liked it; fair ability to back it up and push/pull bookmarks on demand. http://pinboard.in/ is a decent alternative - you can easily import all your del.icio.us bookmarks - but it costs money (about $8, once off), and is running a bit slow today after the announcement. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 04:17:59 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:17:59 -0500 Subject: Delicious bookmarks service "sunset" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D0AE477.6070306@dinamis.com> On 12/16/2010 05:43 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > It's "not dead, but it's smelling funny"... > > http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/16/is-yahoo-shutting-down-del-icio-us/ > > I quite liked it; fair ability to back it up and push/pull bookmarks on demand. I've been using Diigo since Magnolia.com blew up and took a bunch of my data with it. One of the things that appealed to me about Diigo was that every bookmark and its associated tags that I saved to Diigo would also be saved to Simpy, which has since died, and to Delicious , which is also dying. That leaves me back in a position I didn't want to be in, vulnerable to Diigo blowing up and taking my data with them. Yet another thing added to the TODO list that I didn't really want to do. :) -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 04:28:45 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:28:45 -0500 Subject: Smithsonian Celebrates COBOL's 50th Anniversary With New Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > This is more for the programmers on the list, sadly, I'm not one of > them, I suck at math, so I know I wouldn't even be able to program. Math is not central to most programming, logic normally is. I took a university statistics course several years ago that was a lot of math between some logic (coding in FORTRAN), by that has not been the norm in my experience... Which does bring up the fact that there are a few players even older than COBOL that are still around, like FORTRAN (which like COBOL has a following, like where you a have a LOT of math and not much else...). Colin. > Anyeverhow, here's a brief excerpt from the site, a link to it will > follow: > > One of the oldest programming languages, COBOL (COmmon > Business-Oriented Language) turned 50 this past week. On December 6, > 1960, COBOL was first used on two different makes of computers, > proving that compatibility across systems could be achieved. To > celebrate the anniversary, the Smithsonian's National Museum of > American History built out a new section of their website > (http://americanhistory.si.edu/exhibitions/small_exhibition.cfm?key=1267&exkey=988&pagekey=989) > dedicated to documenting the language's history; a related exhibit > will open at the museum this spring. > > "Written initially for the short range, COBOL proved so useful that it > dominated much of government and business data processing for > decades," the new website explains. "Millions of banking transactions > are still processed daily with COBOL programs. As the use of common > programming languages became standard, a flourishing independent > computer software industry emerged." > > http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2010/12/smithsonian-celebrates-cobols-50th-anniversary-with-new-website/68101/ > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 06:03:46 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 01:03:46 -0500 Subject: Tape Backup Prices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D0AFD42.2010404@ve3syb.ca> Christopher Browne wrote: > Good tape drives have always been expensive (e.g. - some number of > thousands of dollars), and good tapes have always been expensive (e.g. > - on the order of $100). Many years ago I was using 4mm DAT to do backups using tape drives that had a SCSI interface. In the few years I used the tapes, I never had one go bad on me. I stopped using tape backups after the three tape drives died on me. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 06:08:32 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 01:08:32 -0500 Subject: Thanks. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D0AFE60.7090402@ve3syb.ca> Colin McGregor wrote: > I just wanted to publicly thank everyone who spoke or moderated at > last evening's language smackdown. It would have been an interesting evening to have attended. I was reading a forum recently where someone was asking about programming in Python vs. something else. It was interesting to read some of the comments. One comment stated the writer considered Python to be a "toy" language. Another related to Python indicated the person thought it was just a language for web stuff. Both comments got quite a few follow up messages. > "Talk is cheap. Show me the code." > - Linus Torvalds > > "Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code will be a > violent psychopath who knows where you live." > - Martin Golding I like the above two (particularly the Golding quote). I wasn't so impressed by the Babbage quote. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jbl-mP51TAGdI9FBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 07:57:26 2010 From: jbl-mP51TAGdI9FBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (J. Bobby Lopez) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 02:57:26 -0500 Subject: Delicious bookmarks service "sunset" In-Reply-To: <4D0AE477.6070306-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4D0AE477.6070306@dinamis.com> Message-ID: I'm seriously pissed off about this, but it's yet another "back to reality" thing.. Never depend on some obscure company to house your important data. I think it's finally time to get Rubric installed: http://search.cpan.org/~rjbs/Rubric-0.145/lib/Rubric.pm On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:17 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 12/16/2010 05:43 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > >> It's "not dead, but it's smelling funny"... >> >> http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/16/is-yahoo-shutting-down-del-icio-us/ >> >> I quite liked it; fair ability to back it up and push/pull bookmarks on >> demand. >> > > I've been using Diigo since > Magnolia.com blew up and took a bunch of my data with it. One of the things > that appealed to me about Diigo was that every bookmark and its associated > tags that I saved to Diigo would also be saved to Simpy, which has since > died, and to Delicious , which is also dying. > That leaves me back in a position I didn't want to be in, vulnerable to > Diigo blowing up and taking my data with them. Yet another thing added to > the TODO list that I didn't really want to do. :) > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbl-mP51TAGdI9FBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 08:30:49 2010 From: jbl-mP51TAGdI9FBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (J. Bobby Lopez) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 03:30:49 -0500 Subject: Delicious bookmarks service "sunset" In-Reply-To: References: <4D0AE477.6070306@dinamis.com> Message-ID: Actually, the php based "scuttle" app also looks interesting.. On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:57 AM, J. Bobby Lopez wrote: > I'm seriously pissed off about this, but it's yet another "back to reality" > thing.. Never depend on some obscure company to house your important data. > > I think it's finally time to get Rubric installed: > http://search.cpan.org/~rjbs/Rubric-0.145/lib/Rubric.pm > > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:17 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY < > clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> On 12/16/2010 05:43 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: >> >>> It's "not dead, but it's smelling funny"... >>> >>> http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/16/is-yahoo-shutting-down-del-icio-us/ >>> >>> I quite liked it; fair ability to back it up and push/pull bookmarks on >>> demand. >>> >> >> I've been using Diigo since >> Magnolia.com blew up and took a bunch of my data with it. One of the things >> that appealed to me about Diigo was that every bookmark and its associated >> tags that I saved to Diigo would also be saved to Simpy, which has since >> died, and to Delicious , which is also >> dying. That leaves me back in a position I didn't want to be in, vulnerable >> to Diigo blowing up and taking my data with them. Yet another thing added to >> the TODO list that I didn't really want to do. :) >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Clifford Ilkay >> Dinamis >> 1419-3266 Yonge St. >> Toronto, ON >> Canada M4N 3P6 >> >> >> +1 416-410-3326 >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andmalc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 13:55:19 2010 From: andmalc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrew Malcolmson) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:55:19 -0500 Subject: Thanks. In-Reply-To: <4D0AFE60.7090402-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4D0AFE60.7090402@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Kevin Cozens wrote: ... > I like the above two (particularly the Golding quote). I wasn't so impressed > by the Babbage quote. > -- 1 vote here for the Babbage. Those old-timey types knew how to talk. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 15:51:39 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:51:39 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: <4CFC5C79.7090708-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 22:46, teddy mills wrote: > I am leaning towards the Nokia N900. > > It is not available in Canada, but it can be shipped from US. > There are a few cell phone companies in Toronto that import the N900. > > Anyone on TLUG have an N900? > Simcard and it works with (Bell/Telus/Wind/Moblicity/Fido/ I believe) > > I figure if I am spending 500, I may as well get the phone I want. > My second choice is Google Nexus One. I tested the N900 a few months ago, here's the story http://renata.org/post/the-whoa-amazing-cellphone-that-runs-linux/ If you're inclined to pay 500 bucks on a phone, I'd strongly suggest buying the HTC Desire Z. I got it two weeks ago from Bell. Worth every cent. http://www.htc.com/www/product/desirez/specification.html I have to write a review. Now THAT's a toy. I'm even playing with App Inventor - who would expect that. -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 15:59:02 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:59:02 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm pondering on T-Mobile G2(Desire Z) vs getting a Nexus One, I think im going with the Desire Z.. Hows the keyboard holding up? Do you have custom firmware on it? How is its quality of structure? Does it hold up to daily abuse? On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Renata Rocha wrote: > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 22:46, teddy mills wrote: > > I am leaning towards the Nokia N900. > > > > It is not available in Canada, but it can be shipped from US. > > There are a few cell phone companies in Toronto that import the N900. > > > > Anyone on TLUG have an N900? > > Simcard and it works with (Bell/Telus/Wind/Moblicity/Fido/ I believe) > > > > I figure if I am spending 500, I may as well get the phone I want. > > My second choice is Google Nexus One. > > I tested the N900 a few months ago, here's the story > > http://renata.org/post/the-whoa-amazing-cellphone-that-runs-linux/ > > If you're inclined to pay 500 bucks on a phone, I'd strongly suggest > buying the HTC Desire Z. I got it two weeks ago from Bell. Worth every > cent. > > http://www.htc.com/www/product/desirez/specification.html > > I have to write a review. Now THAT's a toy. I'm even playing with App > Inventor - who would expect that. > > -- > Renata Rocha > http://renata.org > http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 17:16:35 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:16:35 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: >From an article on MaximumPC.com entitled "Got Root? The Nexus S Does": "Call it a testament to the open source nature of Android or chalk it up to determined hackers, but whatever the case, the modding community went and rooted the Nexus S smartphone (with ClockworkMod recovery) just a few hours after it officially launched. "You can find the modded firmware over on the XDA-Developers forum (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9866675&postcount=1), the popular hangout for independent developers. According to the instructions, the firmware is super simple to install, and reports suggest that the open padlock that voids the warranty can be re-locked, something that wasn't possible on the Nexus One. "Right now there isn't a whole lot you can do with a rooted Nexus S, but hey, it's a start." http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/got_root_nexus_s_does -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 17:29:40 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:29:40 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D0B9E04.6000602@dinamis.com> On 12/17/2010 10:51 AM, Renata Rocha wrote: > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 22:46, teddy mills wrote: >> I am leaning towards the Nokia N900. >> >> It is not available in Canada, but it can be shipped from US. >> There are a few cell phone companies in Toronto that import the N900. >> >> Anyone on TLUG have an N900? >> Simcard and it works with (Bell/Telus/Wind/Moblicity/Fido/ I believe) >> >> I figure if I am spending 500, I may as well get the phone I want. >> My second choice is Google Nexus One. > > I tested the N900 a few months ago, here's the story > > http://renata.org/post/the-whoa-amazing-cellphone-that-runs-linux/ -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 17:18:54 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:18:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Thanks. In-Reply-To: <4D0AFE60.7090402-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4D0AFE60.7090402@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Kevin Cozens wrote: > something else. It was interesting to read some of the comments. One comment > stated the writer considered Python to be a "toy" language. Another related In my experience that says more about the person saying it than the application/language/OS that they are saying it about. People get real work done in Python and have for many years so any claims it is a 'toy' is at best biased. Disclaimer: I haven't done any coding in Python but it is on my list of things to learn. I have a couple of projects in mind which Python may be suitable for. > I like the above two (particularly the Golding quote). I wasn't so impressed > by the Babbage quote. I loved the Babbage quote. I've had people ask me questions like that and I wish I had responded as well as Babbage did :) Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Contributing member of Software in the Public Interest (http://spi-inc.org/) Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jbl-mP51TAGdI9FBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 18:13:48 2010 From: jbl-mP51TAGdI9FBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (J. Bobby Lopez) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:13:48 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: <4D0B9E04.6000602-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> <4D0B9E04.6000602@dinamis.com> Message-ID: I love my n900, works real good, and got easy_debian installed and everything. There are some really nice apps on it as well. Once you get Opera and Conboy on it, you're golden. Heck, I even have freemind on this thing! On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:29 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 12/17/2010 10:51 AM, Renata Rocha wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 22:46, teddy mills wrote: >> >>> I am leaning towards the Nokia N900. >>> >>> It is not available in Canada, but it can be shipped from US. >>> There are a few cell phone companies in Toronto that import the N900. >>> >>> Anyone on TLUG have an N900? >>> Simcard and it works with (Bell/Telus/Wind/Moblicity/Fido/ I believe) >>> >>> I figure if I am spending 500, I may as well get the phone I want. >>> My second choice is Google Nexus One. >>> >> >> I tested the N900 a few months ago, here's the story >> >> http://renata.org/post/the-whoa-amazing-cellphone-that-runs-linux/ >> > > < > http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/27/fully-functional-android-port-for-n900-threatens-to-beat-n9-to-m/ > > > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 19:01:49 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:01:49 -0500 Subject: Tape Backup Prices In-Reply-To: <4D0AFD42.2010404-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4D0AFD42.2010404@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20101217190149.GI12911@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 01:03:46AM -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Many years ago I was using 4mm DAT to do backups using tape drives that had > a SCSI interface. In the few years I used the tapes, I never had one go > bad on me. I stopped using tape backups after the three tape drives died > on me. I remember many DDS tapes going bad. Usually 15 or 20 write cycles was it for the tapes. Hopefully you remembered to clean the tape drives once in a while, or the head might quit on you. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 18 02:00:29 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:00:29 -0500 Subject: Anyone have a Nokia N900? In-Reply-To: References: <4CFC5C79.7090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: Same with the HTC Desire, honestly (actually, in terms of hackability, it's still unsurpassed). Anyway, I would buy the Nexus S right now if I didn't have an Android phone already. - FZero On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:16, Michael Lauzon wrote: > From an article on MaximumPC.com entitled "Got Root? The Nexus S Does": > > "Call it a testament to the open source nature of Android or chalk it > up to determined hackers, but whatever the case, the modding community > went and rooted the Nexus S smartphone (with ClockworkMod recovery) > just a few hours after it officially launched. > > "You can find the modded firmware over on the XDA-Developers forum > (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9866675&postcount=1), > the popular hangout for independent developers. According to the > instructions, the firmware is super simple to install, and reports > suggest that the open padlock that voids the warranty can be > re-locked, something that wasn't possible on the Nexus One. > > "Right now there isn't a whole lot you can do with a rooted Nexus S, > but hey, it's a start." > > http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/got_root_nexus_s_does > > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 01:32:44 2010 From: sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org (sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:32:44 -0500 Subject: [OT] phpmyadmin -- trouble importing Message-ID: Anyone know about or used the phpmyadmin interface for database management? I am new to phpMyAdmin, and am trying to read a backup of a database from my website on to my localhost machine (a laptop running W7). My file backup.bz2 is 1.7 megs (expands to about 14 megs), and I have downloaded it locally, and have attempted to read it through a version of phpMyAdmin (3.3.8.1) which comes with EasyPHP. So, using the "Import" interface, I find my database, then select MySQL323 compatability mode (version 3.23 is what my host uses), and I get: -----8<---------SNIP------------8<--------SNIP------------------ Error SQL query: -- -- Table structure for table `alimentarus_comments` -- DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `alimentarus_comments` ; MySQL said: Documentation #1046 - No database selected -----8<---------SNIP------------8<--------SNIP------------------ Can anyone help me with this error? Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 03:07:58 2010 From: grazer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jason Shaw) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 22:07:58 -0500 Subject: [OT] phpmyadmin -- trouble importing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm not positive on this exact error, but in my experience with PHPMyAdmin, you have to create an empty database to import the old one into. I recommend giving it the same database name, just to be safe, although again I'm not certain that that's necessary. Good luck! On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:32 PM, wrote: > Anyone know about or used the phpmyadmin interface for database management? > > I am new to phpMyAdmin, and am trying to read a backup of a database from > my website on to my localhost machine (a laptop running W7). > > My file backup.bz2 is 1.7 megs (expands to about 14 megs), and I have > downloaded it locally, and have attempted to read it through a version of > phpMyAdmin (3.3.8.1) which comes with EasyPHP. > > So, using the "Import" interface, I find my database, then select MySQL323 > compatability mode (version 3.23 is what my host uses), and I get: > > -----8<---------SNIP------------8<--------SNIP------------------ > Error > > SQL query: > > -- > -- Table structure for table `alimentarus_comments` > -- > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `alimentarus_comments` ; > > MySQL said: Documentation > #1046 - No database selected > -----8<---------SNIP------------8<--------SNIP------------------ > > Can anyone help me with this error? > > Paul King > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 07:52:51 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 02:52:51 -0500 Subject: [OT] phpmyadmin -- trouble importing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D0F0B53.40203@ve3syb.ca> sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org wrote: > MySQL said: Documentation > #1046 - No database selected The error tells the story. You told it to import a file with SQL statements but haven't told it which database it is to operate on. Click the home button in phpMyAdmin. Left click one of the databases listed on the left side of the screen to select an existing database. If you want to import the data in to a new database, enter a name in the entry field below "Create new database", set the collation entry the way you want, then hit the create button. The new database will be created and selected. Once you have selected a database you can click the Import tab and import the file containing the dump of your database. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 14:01:44 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:01:44 -0500 Subject: nexus one In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Remember what I said before about the HTC Desire? Aside from the Nexus S, it is now the first device to run Android 2.3 successfully (you have to root it, of course): http://bit.ly/c7YX7j I use the Android 2.2 version of the Oxygen ROM and it supersedes the stock HTC Desire in every way. It manages to be snappier and use less battery at the same time (truly a feat). - Fabio -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 19:23:40 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:23:40 -0500 Subject: physical security in server farms Message-ID: The company I work for can RFID a server. We can put the chip inside the server and read it from the outside. Can anyone see a rational benefit to doing this other than physical security such as being able to tell that someone is walking out the door with a server ? Dave Cramer VP Software Development Visible Assets Inc. www.visibleassets.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 19:31:17 2010 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:31:17 -0500 Subject: physical security in server farms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D0FAF05.5000906@the-wire.com> On 10-12-20 02:23 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: > The company I work for can RFID a server. We can put the chip inside > the server and read it from the outside. Can anyone see a rational > benefit to doing this other than physical security such as being able > to tell that someone is walking out the door with a server ? If copper thieves stole all your cables, then cable robots could go through and rewire everything, knowing, at each location, which server they were dealing with. If an earthquake shuffled your datacenter, you'd be able to put all the servers back at the right places on the new shelves. Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 19:57:18 2010 From: jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:57:18 +0000 Subject: physical security in server farms Message-ID: <1880124312-1292875038-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1393937772-@bda702.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I don't see Rfid being a huge security measure so much as an asset tracking solution. But then I suppose it is good for both at the same time. You can RFID tag a bunch of things whose inventory in behind rack doors and never need to grant a person reconciling inventory physical access to the machine. John. ------Original Message------ From: Mel Wilson Sender: owner-tlug at ss.org To: tlug at ss.org ReplyTo: tlug at ss.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: physical security in server farms Sent: Dec 20, 2010 2:31 PM On 10-12-20 02:23 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: > The company I work for can RFID a server. We can put the chip inside > the server and read it from the outside. Can anyone see a rational > benefit to doing this other than physical security such as being able > to tell that someone is walking out the door with a server ? If copper thieves stole all your cables, then cable robots could go through and rewire everything, knowing, at each location, which server they were dealing with. If an earthquake shuffled your datacenter, you'd be able to put all the servers back at the right places on the new shelves. Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 20:13:32 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:13:32 -0500 Subject: physical security in server farms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: > The company I work for can RFID a server. We can put the chip inside > the server and read it from the outside. Can anyone see a rational > benefit to doing this other than physical security such as being able > to tell that someone is walking out the door with a server ? It's a meaningful "physical security" measure if you're running some sort of "active polling" of RFID tags throughout the environment, so that you detect any movement of the tag within that environment. Thus, if there are RFID scanners: - In each rack - In the door to the server room - At each exit to the building then, if you're actively scanning the tags, you can notice any time the tag, and hence the device attached to it, transitions from location to location. It's obviously not perfect security - someone might deactivate scanners, or remove tags from devices. More importantly, you need to have active scanning going on continually, and if the server room belongs to someone else, they're liable to refuse to allow that. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 20:21:35 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:21:35 -0500 Subject: Android configuration Message-ID: Afternoon Blackberry has a nice feature where one create a filter - For a certain address or Subject - and then attach the filter to a specific profile. On the profile, one select a sound the the phone generate on receiving a mail matching a specific mail address or subject. This is nice as it allow one to sleep and only wake up to respond to mails from nagios only. The feature is called Level one alert in BB forums I would like to set a similar concept on an android phone, but this has proved tricky so far. Is there someone here who has successfully been able to setup an android phone to generate an audio alert on receiving email from a specific address? Pointers? Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 20:24:52 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:24:52 -0500 Subject: physical security in server farms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: >> The company I work for can RFID a server. We can put the chip inside >> the server and read it from the outside. Can anyone see a rational >> benefit to doing this other than physical security such as being able >> to tell that someone is walking out the door with a server ? > > It's a meaningful "physical security" measure if you're running some > sort of "active polling" of RFID tags throughout the environment, so > that you detect any movement of the tag within that environment. > That is essentially what our technology does. > Thus, if there are RFID scanners: > ?- In each rack > ?- In the door to the server room > ?- At each exit to the building Very good insight. > > then, if you're actively scanning the tags, you can notice any time > the tag, and hence the device attached to it, transitions from > location to location. > > It's obviously not perfect security - someone might deactivate > scanners, or remove tags from devices. > > More importantly, you need to have active scanning going on > continually, and if the server room belongs to someone else, they're > liable to refuse to allow that. the organizations asking for this would be able to mandate it. I'll give you a hint "Security Theatre" Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ss-tWm8UfAypx3iB9QmIjCX8w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 22:02:07 2010 From: ss-tWm8UfAypx3iB9QmIjCX8w at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:02:07 -0500 Subject: [OT] phpmyadmin -- trouble importing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5377FE1BD8B14F3E89D7531E5B1C5773@sadiqs.info> When you expand the bz2 file, do you get a .sql file? If you do, you can use the terminal to import this onto the MySQL server. The command syntax is as follows: mysql -uUSERNAME -p NEWDBNAME < /path/to/new/dump.sql The new DB name doesn't have to be the same as the old one. NOTE - NEWDBNAME must be the name of a database that you have already created using phpmyadmin. Good luck! -- Sadiq Saif Sent with Sparrow On Sunday, December 19, 2010 at 8:32 PM, sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org wrote: > Anyone know about or used the phpmyadmin interface for database management? > > I am new to phpMyAdmin, and am trying to read a backup of a database from > my website on to my localhost machine (a laptop running W7). > > My file backup.bz2 is 1.7 megs (expands to about 14 megs), and I have > downloaded it locally, and have attempted to read it through a version of > phpMyAdmin (3.3.8.1) which comes with EasyPHP. > > So, using the "Import" interface, I find my database, then select MySQL323 > compatability mode (version 3.23 is what my host uses), and I get: > > -----8<---------SNIP------------8<--------SNIP------------------ > Error > > SQL query: > > -- > -- Table structure for table `alimentarus_comments` > -- > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `alimentarus_comments` ; > > MySQL said: Documentation > #1046 - No database selected > -----8<---------SNIP------------8<--------SNIP------------------ > > Can anyone help me with this error? > > Paul King > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ss-tWm8UfAypx3iB9QmIjCX8w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 22:06:48 2010 From: ss-tWm8UfAypx3iB9QmIjCX8w at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:06:48 -0500 Subject: [OT] phpmyadmin -- trouble importing In-Reply-To: <5377FE1BD8B14F3E89D7531E5B1C5773-tWm8UfAypx3iB9QmIjCX8w@public.gmane.org> References: <5377FE1BD8B14F3E89D7531E5B1C5773@sadiqs.info> Message-ID: I am sorry. I just read the message properly and you seem to be using Windows. Try MySQL Administrator. It's a Windows tool you can use to manage SQL servers, both local and remote. (Look for the restore functionality.) -- Sadiq Saif Sent with Sparrow On Monday, December 20, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Sadiq Saif wrote: > When you expand the bz2 file, do you get a .sql file? If you do, you can use the terminal to import this onto the MySQL server. > > > The command syntax is as follows: > > > mysql -uUSERNAME -p NEWDBNAME < /path/to/new/dump.sql > > > The new DB name doesn't have to be the same as the old one. > NOTE - NEWDBNAME must be the name of a database that you have already created using phpmyadmin. > > > Good luck! > > > -- > Sadiq Saif > Sent with Sparrow > > On Sunday, December 19, 2010 at 8:32 PM, sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > Anyone know about or used the phpmyadmin interface for database management? > > > > I am new to phpMyAdmin, and am trying to read a backup of a database from > > my website on to my localhost machine (a laptop running W7). > > > > My file backup.bz2 is 1.7 megs (expands to about 14 megs), and I have > > downloaded it locally, and have attempted to read it through a version of > > phpMyAdmin (3.3.8.1) which comes with EasyPHP. > > > > So, using the "Import" interface, I find my database, then select MySQL323 > > compatability mode (version 3.23 is what my host uses), and I get: > > > > -----8<---------SNIP------------8<--------SNIP------------------ > > Error > > > > SQL query: > > > > -- > > -- Table structure for table `alimentarus_comments` > > -- > > DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `alimentarus_comments` ; > > > > MySQL said: Documentation > > #1046 - No database selected > > -----8<---------SNIP------------8<--------SNIP------------------ > > > > Can anyone help me with this error? > > > > Paul King > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hi William, I've not tried it, but it may be possible with SL4A, the scripting layer for android: I believe I saw something similar a few months back on the mailing list; however it was tied to SMS messages as opposed to email. I'd recommend asking on that list: All the best, - Scott. -- ? Scott Elcomb ? http://www.psema4.com/?? @psema4 ? Member of the Pirate Party of Canada ? http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 23:48:39 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:48:39 -0500 Subject: Does rsync delete unmatched files by default? Message-ID: <20101220234839.GB15542@waltdnes.org> I think the answer is "no", as long as I don't specify --delete, but I want to confirm. I revently switched over to using rsybc to back up my main machine to an external USB drive. It took a while because it was the first pass so it amounted to a straight copy. My question is about future backups. If I delete a file from the source, will it be deleted from the destination during my next sync? The script I use is below... #!/bin/bash rm /root/rsync_log.txt cd / rsync --archive --group --itemize-changes --links --owner --perms \ --progress --recursive --stats --times --verbose \ --files-from=root/include_rsync.txt \ --exclude-from=root/exclude_rsync.txt \ --log-file=/root/rsync_log.txt / /mnt/extd/image_i3/ -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 00:18:00 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:18:00 -0500 Subject: [OT] phpmyadmin -- trouble importing In-Reply-To: <5377FE1BD8B14F3E89D7531E5B1C5773-tWm8UfAypx3iB9QmIjCX8w@public.gmane.org> References: <5377FE1BD8B14F3E89D7531E5B1C5773@sadiqs.info> Message-ID: <4D0FF238.7060206@ve3syb.ca> Sadiq Saif wrote: > mysql -uUSERNAME -p NEWDBNAME < /path/to/new/dump.sql That won't work unless the sql file contains a "USE" statement to select a database. Based on the error message shown previously, the file does not contain such a statement. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From david.vangeest-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 01:49:29 2010 From: david.vangeest-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David van Geest) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:49:29 -0500 Subject: Does rsync delete unmatched files by default? In-Reply-To: <20101220234839.GB15542-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20101220234839.GB15542@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > ?My question is about future backups. ?If I delete a file from the > source, will it be deleted from the destination during my next sync? > The script I use is below... I've been using rsync pretty regularly for the last couple weeks, and have noticed that it does not delete the files in the destination if they've been deleted from the source. You could always just try it on your own machine (maybe with two test folders and some garbage files) to be double sure.... -David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 02:37:25 2010 From: andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org (Andrew Cowie) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:37:25 +1100 Subject: Does rsync delete unmatched files by default? In-Reply-To: <20101220234839.GB15542-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20101220234839.GB15542@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <1292899045.3140.58.camel@worthil> On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 18:48 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > My question is about future backups. If I delete a file from the > source, will it be deleted from the destination during my next sync? --delete And since you're using --exclude (of course), see also --delete-excluded. Be *very* careful with that one [ie you think you've archived something large, remove it locally, and have that in your script, bye bye]. AfC Sydney -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 05:40:57 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:40:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: toy for Christmas: a hyper-cheap OpenVZ provider Message-ID: I've never had an off-site machine to administer. Now I've got one for C$1.05 per month. I thought I'd play and learn. The machine is probably wildly over-subscribed, and it isn't generous, but it sure is cheap. I have no requirements so it cannot fail to meet them :-) They may have better options than the one I chose. I learned of the deal here: Originally from here: I know so little that I don't even know if I should choose the free control pannel () or not. So I chose not. I chose CentOS 5 as the OS (I already use it on a machine here). I control a domain so it is easy to add a subdomain for this new host. I guess there are other free services (dyndns?) that could provide folks hostnames without cost. I've signed on (provisioning took about 24 hours, much longer than I expected). I've done a "yum update" and built from SourceRPM my normal text editor (JOVE). So it seems to work. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 06:24:43 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 01:24:43 -0500 Subject: Does rsync delete unmatched files by default? In-Reply-To: <1292899045.3140.58.camel@worthil> References: <20101220234839.GB15542@waltdnes.org> <1292899045.3140.58.camel@worthil> Message-ID: <20101221062443.GA16349@waltdnes.org> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 01:37:25PM +1100, Andrew Cowie wrote > --delete Not in my script > And since you're using --exclude (of course), see also > --delete-excluded. Be *very* careful with that one [ie you think > you've archived something large, remove it locally, and have that > in your script, bye bye]. No mention of any kind of delete in my rsync script. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 13:47:51 2010 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 08:47:51 -0500 Subject: [OT] phpmyadmin -- trouble importing In-Reply-To: <4D0F0B53.40203-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: , <4D0F0B53.40203@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <4D10B007.14091.14F07A2C@sciguy.vex.net> Well, at least the errors now are different. I was only able to read two tables, then it died. Since I am a newbie at this, I admit to not knowing what setting was appropriate for "Collation". I used all of the defaults. Also, how does one find out the charset used for the database? -----------8<------------------ The error I get is: QUERY: SELECT 'comment' FROM 'phpmyadmin', 'pma_column_info' WHERE db_name = 'dbname' AND table_name = '' AND column_name = '(db_comment)' MySQL said: #1100 - Table 'pma_column_info' was not locked with LOCK TABLES -----------8<------------------ Thanks for your help so far. Paul On 20 Dec 2010 at 2:52, Kevin Cozens wrote: > sciguy-Lmt0BfyYGMw at public.gmane.org wrote: > > MySQL said: Documentation > > #1046 - No database selected > > The error tells the story. You told it to import a file with SQL statements > but haven't told it which database it is to operate on. > > Click the home button in phpMyAdmin. Left click one of the databases listed > on the left side of the screen to select an existing database. If you want > to import the data in to a new database, enter a name in the entry field > below "Create new database", set the collation entry the way you want, then > hit the create button. The new database will be created and selected. > > Once you have selected a database you can click the Import tab and import > the file containing the dump of your database. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > __________ NOD32 5720 (20101221) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 14:04:57 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:04:57 -0500 Subject: Video Card Recommendations Message-ID: <20101221140457.GA11861@yam.witteman.ca> I am looking for a recommendation for a new video card, and I hope that the intrepid TLUG can help. Requirements: I would like to, eventually, be able to run a 1080p TV as a second monitor. This is probably the tricky bit - but all of the cards I read about say Dual, and I don't know who to trust. Can run a few basic games - I have bought the Humble Indie Bundle the last two years, and some of the games exceed the capabilities of my onboard Intel GMA 3100 (though Aquaria, World of Goo, Gish, Machinarium, Osmos (a really beautiful game) and Samrost all work perfectly). PCI-e x16 is available on my motherboard. I'd prefer to spend less money rather than more. I assume that an nVidia powered card is what I want - I plan to use the open source driver unless it is absolutely necessary. I have a 22" LCD right now, running at 1680x1050, but it may get upgraded at some point. Any suggestions? Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 16:22:06 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:22:06 -0500 Subject: Video Card Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <20101221140457.GA11861@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:11 AM, ted leslie wrote: > http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121391 > > i had same criteria, and got this a few months ago for 230$, now it 200$, > sweet card! entry level of nvidia on their new processor series, > outstanding value. > quality manufacturer and excellent cooling. > > tl Nice card, but sounds like overkill to me. I would be be looking for a card that supports VDPAU as the MythTV folks have made it clear that in future releases of MythTV they will want video cards that have hardware video decode support. SOME of the GeForce 8xxx series cards support VDPAU, and almost everything post 8xxx support VDPAU... Colin. > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 9:04 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman > wrote: >> I am looking for a recommendation for a new video card, and I hope that >> the intrepid TLUG can help. >> >> Requirements: >> I would like to, eventually, be able to run a 1080p TV as a second >> monitor. ?This is probably the tricky bit - but all of the cards I read >> about say Dual, and I don't know who to trust. >> >> Can run a few basic games - I have bought the Humble Indie Bundle the >> last two years, and some of the games exceed the capabilities of my >> onboard Intel GMA 3100 (though Aquaria, World of Goo, Gish, Machinarium, >> Osmos (a really beautiful game) and Samrost all work perfectly). >> >> PCI-e x16 is available on my motherboard. >> >> I'd prefer to spend less money rather than more. ?I assume that an >> nVidia powered card is what I want - I plan to use the open source >> driver unless it is absolutely necessary. ?I have a 22" LCD right now, >> running at 1680x1050, but it may get upgraded at some point. >> >> Any suggestions? ?Thanks. >> -- >> >> yours, >> >> William >> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iD8DBQFNELQJHQtmiuz+KT8RAjTMAJ0Q1zaIBgtgstquHDccTZaK0oWU0gCePsO1 >> l+K9UlI+jjoqmOr6UA1DCHE= >> =Jhrf >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 16:40:55 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:40:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Video Card Recommendations In-Reply-To: <20101221140457.GA11861-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20101221140457.GA11861@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: | From: William O'Higgins Witteman | I'd prefer to spend less money rather than more. I assume that an | nVidia powered card is what I want - I plan to use the open source | driver unless it is absolutely necessary. I have a 22" LCD right now, | running at 1680x1050, but it may get upgraded at some point. My impression is that you probably want the nVidia closed-source driver. The ATI open source driver is improving with ATI disclosures (and so is the Nouveau open source nVidia drive, without disclosures) but neither is a sure thing. My knowledge has holes. I don't play games. I do do MythTV. Before I got an HDTV, an old ATI card was fine (9250) using open source driver. With HDTV, I've only tried Acer Revos; they use the nVidia ION chipset. Some folks care about Flash. I think a Linux Flash that exploits VDPAU (an nVidia API) is promised. Note that Adobe promises aer not always fulfilled (eg. a Linux version of their ebook reader software that supports DRM). XBMC for Linux supports the Broadcom Crystal video accelerator chip. Part of that support seems to involve the guy who does MythTV for Red Hat. Maybe that would work without a new video card. But that does not seem to be the best route for you (makes more sense for boxes which don't have PCIe slots: old AppleTV and netbooks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 20:48:43 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:48:43 -0500 Subject: Android configuration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can achieve the same result if you use filters wisely on Gmail, having only emails worthy of alerts reaching the Inbox. It takes a bit work, but it's worth it. A better solution would be creating a separated email account only for urgent alerts. You can have as many accounts as you want attached to the phone and each one can have a separated alert setting. I can see the usefulness of the different alert levels, but the configuration options for it (actually for everything!) on the Blackberry are quite complicated. While Android and iPhone can be used as work-phones, the Blackberry was thought from the ground up for office use - hence the different alert configurations and undeniable boringness compared to other smartphones. - Fabio On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 15:53, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:21 PM, William Muriithi > wrote: >> Afternoon >> >> Blackberry has a nice feature where one create a filter - For a >> certain address or Subject - and then attach the filter to a specific >> profile. ?On the profile, one select a sound the the phone generate on >> receiving a mail matching a specific mail address or subject. ?This is >> nice as it allow one to sleep and only wake up to respond to mails >> from nagios only. ?The feature is called Level one alert in BB forums >> >> I would like to set a similar concept on an android phone, but this >> has proved tricky so far. ?Is there someone here who has successfully >> been able to setup an android ?phone to generate an audio alert on >> receiving email from a specific address? ?Pointers? > > Hi William, > > I've not tried it, but it may be possible with SL4A, the scripting > layer for android: > ? > > I believe I saw something similar a few months back on the mailing > list; however it was tied to SMS messages as opposed to email. > > I'd recommend asking on that list: > ? > > All the best, > - Scott. > > > -- > ? Scott Elcomb > ? http://www.psema4.com/?? @psema4 > > ? Member of the Pirate Party of Canada > ? http://www.pirateparty.ca/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 21:01:52 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:01:52 -0500 Subject: Android configuration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Guys, You can do this type of configuration with an application called Tasker. Tasker in combination with K9 Mail can change the sound level and play an notifcation sound when a certain email is retrieved. However...there may be a better solution that you can implement with exchange (i don't know). K9 Mail only works well with imap as well. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Fabio FZero wrote: > You can achieve the same result if you use filters wisely on Gmail, > having only emails worthy of alerts reaching the Inbox. It takes a bit > work, but it's worth it. > > A better solution would be creating a separated email account only for > urgent alerts. You can have as many accounts as you want attached to > the phone and each one can have a separated alert setting. > > I can see the usefulness of the different alert levels, but the > configuration options for it (actually for everything!) on the > Blackberry are quite complicated. While Android and iPhone can be used > as work-phones, the Blackberry was thought from the ground up for > office use - hence the different alert configurations and undeniable > boringness compared to other smartphones. > > - Fabio > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 15:53, Scott Elcomb wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:21 PM, William Muriithi > > wrote: > >> Afternoon > >> > >> Blackberry has a nice feature where one create a filter - For a > >> certain address or Subject - and then attach the filter to a specific > >> profile. On the profile, one select a sound the the phone generate on > >> receiving a mail matching a specific mail address or subject. This is > >> nice as it allow one to sleep and only wake up to respond to mails > >> from nagios only. The feature is called Level one alert in BB forums > >> > >> I would like to set a similar concept on an android phone, but this > >> has proved tricky so far. Is there someone here who has successfully > >> been able to setup an android phone to generate an audio alert on > >> receiving email from a specific address? Pointers? > > > > Hi William, > > > > I've not tried it, but it may be possible with SL4A, the scripting > > layer for android: > > > > > > I believe I saw something similar a few months back on the mailing > > list; however it was tied to SMS messages as opposed to email. > > > > I'd recommend asking on that list: > > > > > > All the best, > > - Scott. > > > > > > -- > > Scott Elcomb > > http://www.psema4.com/ @psema4 > > > > Member of the Pirate Party of Canada > > http://www.pirateparty.ca/ > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 21:05:09 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:05:09 -0800 Subject: Android configuration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Anyone know of something that allows per-sender rings for text messages? On 2010-12-21 1:03 PM, "Dave Germiquet" wrote: Hi Guys, You can do this type of configuration with an application called Tasker. Tasker in combination with K9 Mail can change the sound level and play an notifcation sound when a certain email is retrieved. However...there may be a better solution that you can implement with exchange (i don't know). K9 Mail only works well with imap as well. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Fabio FZero wrote: > > You can achieve the... -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 23:00:08 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:00:08 -0500 Subject: Android configuration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Anyone know of something that allows per-sender rings for text messages? There are alternative SMS clients that support that. My G1 has too little RAM to be happy running such. Handcent is the one I wish I was running: http://www.appbrain.com/app/handcent-sms/com.handcent.nextsms It lets you customize notifications per user, including: - Does a window pop up with the message? - Does LED light up, in some colour? - Which notification sound? -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 23:01:38 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:01:38 -0500 Subject: Android configuration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 18:00, Christopher Browne wrote: > There are alternative SMS clients that support that. ?My G1 has too > little RAM to be happy running such. > > Handcent is the one I wish I was running: > http://www.appbrain.com/app/handcent-sms/com.handcent.nextsms > > It lets you customize notifications per user, including: > - Does a window pop up with the message? > - Does LED light up, in some colour? > - Which notification sound? I use Handcent on my shitty Xperia X10. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 22 06:49:41 2010 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:49:41 -0800 Subject: Video Card Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <20101221140457.GA11861@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20101222064941.GE24459@towel> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:40:55AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > XBMC for Linux supports the Broadcom Crystal video accelerator chip. > Part of that support seems to involve the guy who does MythTV for Red > Hat. Maybe that would work without a new video card. But that does > not seem to be the best route for you (makes more sense for boxes > which don't have PCIe slots: old AppleTV and netbooks. > The Broadcom chip has kernel drivers, but AFAIK XBMC is one of the only things that supports it. MPlayer might support it, and I remember reading a forum post for VLC where the devs were basically saying that the only way it will be supported is if someone outside of the core devs writes it. (Basically, a 'you want it, you write it.') -- Brandon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 22 12:16:40 2010 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:16:40 -0500 Subject: Video Card Recommendations In-Reply-To: <20101221140457.GA11861-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20101221140457.GA11861@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: On 21 December 2010 09:04, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I'd prefer to spend less money rather than more. I'm currently putting together a system to allow me to archive HD from my Rogers PVR (using the Hauppauge HD-PVR for component video capture). Cost was a primary consideration. The video card I got was the Asus EN210/DI/512MD2(LP) from Canada Computers: The PC I'm using has only accepts low profile cards and the card above fit the bill. There's also a fanless version available, if low noise is a requirement. I've had very little time to play with this so far, but 1080i HD video captured with the Hauppauge box seems to play back fine with VDPAU enabled (not so good without). It's purported to be dual display capable but I haven't tried it. If you're interested in this card I could maybe make the time to try dual display. My PC only has an Athlon A64 3500+ processor For 5.1 sound output capability, I bought the Auzentech X-Studio 5.1 -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 22 20:21:32 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:21:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Razor keyboards -- don't buy them! Message-ID: <948456.65967.qm@web113402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Even after RMA, my 2 Razor keyboards are still "losing" keys in both Windows and Linux machines. I have to unplug-and-plug the USB connectors, which becomes a pain as you can imagine. So, if you're thinking about buying Razor keyboards, don't! -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 22 22:00:16 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:00:16 -0500 Subject: [OT]Logitech QuickCam Deluxe USB 2.0 WebCam $16.99 75% off Message-ID: http://www.newegg.ca/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=ShellShocker-_-26-104-268-_-12222010 if anyone is looking for a webcam, this one is 75% off -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-22-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 22 23:15:03 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:15:03 -0500 Subject: C: adding text to images Message-ID: A friend of mine recently sent me the following question. I hadn't any idea, and got his approval to post here. Can anyone assist? Question: Background: I'm looking at satellite data. I wrote a program in C that does the following: Slurp up raster data in HDF format, feed the data to a program that runs something called iterated conditional modes, then writes out the raster data in TIFF. Problem: How do I make a caption with a legend and some text in it? I really don't want to do this pixel-by-pixel in the raster data. I was hoping for an easy C function like: add_text (x_loc, y_loc, size, text_string); ...that would then make the caption in the TIFF. I have looked around, and will continue to do so, but haven't found anything I like yet. I know Gimp can do this, but I don't want to use the GUI: I'd like to use this in my C program. Any suggestions? -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 00:02:08 2010 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:02:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: C: adding text to images In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, Giles Orr wrote: > A friend of mine recently sent me the following question. I hadn't > any idea, and got his approval to post here. Can anyone assist? > > Question: > > Background: I'm looking at satellite data. I wrote a program in C that > does the following: Slurp up raster data in HDF format, feed the data > to a program that runs something called iterated conditional modes, > then writes out the raster data in TIFF. > > Problem: How do I make a caption with a legend and some text in it? > I really don't want to do this pixel-by-pixel in the raster data. I was > hoping for an easy C function like: > > add_text (x_loc, y_loc, size, text_string); > > ....that would then make the caption in the TIFF. > > I have looked around, and will continue to do so, but haven't found > anything I like yet. I know Gimp can do this, but I don't want to use > the GUI: I'd like to use this in my C program. > > Any suggestions? Use ImageMagick. For example, this puts a white circle with a number in it: convert -fill white -stroke black -draw "circle 30,30 17,17" \ -font Helvetica-Bold -pointsize 18 -fill black \ -draw 'text 20,37 "12"' in.jpg out.jpg -- Chris F.A. Johnson, Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 00:33:38 2010 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:33:38 -0500 Subject: Razor keyboards -- don't buy them! In-Reply-To: <948456.65967.qm-CtIdhJAQs3OZZBmlwP4mLPu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <948456.65967.qm@web113402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry to hear your having problems. I'm using a Razor Lycosa with both Windows and Linux and haven't had a problem. Maybe I am lucky??? :-) I haven't read any reviews on Razor keyboards, but I tried one in a store and liked it right away so I bought it. The keys feel great and the backlight makes typing/gaming in the dark easy. What model are you using. I'll avoid in it the future when the time comes to get a new keyboard. > Even after RMA, my 2 Razor keyboards are still "losing" keys in both > Windows and > Linux machines. I have to unplug-and-plug the USB connectors, which > becomes a > pain as you can imagine. So, if you're thinking about buying Razor > keyboards, > don't! > -- > William > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 01:44:09 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:44:09 -0500 Subject: Razor keyboards -- don't buy them! In-Reply-To: References: <948456.65967.qm@web113402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20101223014409.GA6200@node1.opengeometry.net> - Razor Lycosa Mirror Edition. - Razor Arctosa. I don't have problem with 2 Razor mice, though. -- William On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 07:33:38PM -0500, Jason Carson wrote: > Sorry to hear your having problems. I'm using a Razor Lycosa with both > Windows and Linux and haven't had a problem. Maybe I am lucky??? :-) > > I haven't read any reviews on Razor keyboards, but I tried one in a store > and liked it right away so I bought it. The keys feel great and the > backlight makes typing/gaming in the dark easy. > > What model are you using. I'll avoid in it the future when the time comes > to get a new keyboard. > > > Even after RMA, my 2 Razor keyboards are still "losing" keys in both > > Windows and > > Linux machines. I have to unplug-and-plug the USB connectors, which > > becomes a > > pain as you can imagine. So, if you're thinking about buying Razor > > keyboards, > > don't! > > -- > > William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marthter-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 01:59:38 2010 From: marthter-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (marthter) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:59:38 -0500 Subject: OT: .ca registry, .ca registrars, and domain "backordering" Message-ID: <4D12AD0A.9010301@yahoo.ca> Hey all, Anyone have experience getting domains away from domain squatters? For the past two years plus this year, I've been watching a particular .ca domain, which expires around Nov 20 each year, and thus goes to "to be released" status around Dec 20 each year. For the previous two years it has been renewed by the same registrar, some time in the 24 hours before - or the day of - the release on CIRA, or maybe even just after the release but before I could try and get it (which, other years, was a matter of hours). After each renewal the whois has shown only the registrar, expert.ca (not the registrant) which from googling seems to be a common domain squatter and/or kiter (and their web presence is clearly not retail-oriented: "already existing customers only login"). And the web page on the domain itself has been pure link farm, and not even a good link farm - barely mentioning the keyword of the domain name itself. (I've only visited it once each year after failing to get the domain, as I don't want his traffic numbers to be any better than whatever they are already to suggest it is a "good" domain.) This year I decided to try pool.com (which is owned by the same parent as domainsatcost.ca it seems, momentous.ca) to backorder the domain (stated as a $60 charge only if they succeed, and if multiple people have backordered it, it goes to a 3 day auction). Today I watched cira.ca like it was an ebay auction, in case I could even scoop it before pool.com got it, repeatedly using cira's whois page for the domain in question, plus command line equivalent. Both methods only said "to be released" with today's date. I also tried my usual registrar's (domainsatcost.ca)'s register-new-domain page repeatedly but it repeatedly said "sorry that domain isn't available". First of all, nothing happened in CIRA's stated release time 2:00 - 3:00 EST (Ottawa time). Is that normal? Around 3:20 the whois began showing whoistoolbar.com as the new registRAR. This, based on its own whois, is also another alias for namescout.com, another affiliated company of momentous.ca so maybe this is just an in-progress registrar used for domains successfully snagged for backorderers (me) by pool.com. However, within minutes after 3:20, it moved from pool.com's "your backorders" page, to pool.com's "your auctions" page, already with a $60 bid by someone else. So, is pool.com just a bigger, better organized domain kiter than expert.ca? Or are even those two affiliated? (with expert.ca just being an anonymized front for anything outside the CIRA rules being done by momentous.ca, pool.com, etc)? This is starting to seem like small claims court, where the real normal person just can't hope to win or even navigate the process without being a lawyer in the first place. Can anyone shed light on this? Was it a mistake to put it into pool.com? have I now just verified for the squatter that it is a decent domain and now they will never let it expire? Should I bid $61? (I _DO_ rather want the domain, to at least that degree) or is it just a sham and bidding anything (just like clicking on spamvertisements) only encourages the practice further? Grrr. Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 02:02:55 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:02:55 -0500 Subject: Razor keyboards -- don't buy them! In-Reply-To: References: <948456.65967.qm@web113402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D12ADCF.5040407@alteeve.com> On 12/22/2010 07:33 PM, Jason Carson wrote: > Sorry to hear your having problems. I'm using a Razor Lycosa with both > Windows and Linux and haven't had a problem. Maybe I am lucky??? :-) > > I haven't read any reviews on Razor keyboards, but I tried one in a store > and liked it right away so I bought it. The keys feel great and the > backlight makes typing/gaming in the dark easy. > > What model are you using. I'll avoid in it the future when the time comes > to get a new keyboard. Not just you. I've got Razor keyboard, two mice, two head phones and a set of speakers from Razer and I've *loved* all of them, and had no problems with any of them. -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 03:15:50 2010 From: ted.leslie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:15:50 -0500 Subject: C: adding text to images In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: gimp, gnome, image magik should also have libraries that hopefully contain the function(s) you want to it can all be linked into your target binary (rather then calling into via shell call, etc). tl On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, Giles Orr wrote: > >> A friend of mine recently sent me the following question. ?I hadn't >> any idea, and got his approval to post here. ?Can anyone assist? >> >> Question: >> >> Background: I'm looking at satellite data. I wrote a program in C that >> does the following: Slurp up raster data in HDF format, feed the data >> to a program that runs something called iterated conditional modes, >> then writes out the raster data in TIFF. >> >> Problem: How do I make a caption with a legend and some text in it? >> I really don't want to do this pixel-by-pixel in the raster data. I was >> hoping for an easy C function like: >> >> add_text (x_loc, y_loc, size, text_string); >> >> ....that would then make the caption in the TIFF. >> >> I have looked around, and will continue to do so, but haven't found >> anything I like yet. I know Gimp can do this, but I don't want to use >> the GUI: I'd like to use this in my C program. >> >> Any suggestions? > > ?Use ImageMagick. For example, this puts a white circle with a number > ?in it: > > ?convert ?-fill white -stroke black -draw "circle ?30,30 ?17,17" \ > ? ? ? ? -font Helvetica-Bold -pointsize 18 -fill black \ > ? ? ? ? -draw 'text 20,37 "12"' ?in.jpg out.jpg > > -- > ? Chris F.A. Johnson, > ? Author: > ? Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) > ? Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 14:58:19 2010 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:58:19 -0500 Subject: OT: .ca registry, .ca registrars, and domain "backordering" In-Reply-To: <4D12AD0A.9010301-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D12AD0A.9010301@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4D13638B.90602@gmail.com> On 12/22/2010 8:59 PM, marthter wrote: ... > Should I bid $61? (I _DO_ rather want the domain, to at least that > degree) or is it just a sham and bidding anything (just like clicking on > spamvertisements) only encourages the practice further? > > Grrr. I'm on pool.com too. I always figured that if they bid against you themselves, they might... win. Which buys them nothing. When the domains I've backordered come up, I've planned the same. A couple hundred dollars for a good domain which becomes yours is worth it. In theory, the squatters already lost the domain. Pool.com leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but they *are* providing a difficult and valuable service. If you lose the auction... it would be interesting to see what the site becomes. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 20:01:45 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:01:45 -0500 Subject: Stream media from your iPhone to your Linux box Message-ID: Interesting. This could get me interested in building a Linux box to connect to my TV. http://www.tuaw.com/2010/12/20/airplay-running-on-xbmc-linux-box/ -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 22:36:15 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:36:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: spam from or to amanda on my domain Message-ID: I always wondered why so much spam seemed to be from or to amanda on my domain. I just noticed that amanda (as in the backup program I don't use) is an alias for root. The spammers discovered that this worked years ago by probing and didn't realize that it was just root, not a person. Doh! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 24 06:05:02 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:05:02 -0500 Subject: make a networked printer available to a subnet In-Reply-To: <20100916150931.GE8580-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100916150931.GE8580@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 01:09:26AM -0400, Matt Price wrote: >> we have two wireless routers in our hose: >> >> - an old linksys running tomato-pppoe so teksavvy an avoid the Bell >> throttling; >> - a new d-link whose wireless network actually works, unlike the one on the >> linksys, which has been extremely erratic for years. >> >> The two routers are in separate parts of hte house, and our printer is >> attached (via cat5 cable) to the tomato-run router for arcane reasons. ?It's >> an hp officejet (nice printing quality, a little slow & really expensive >> ink); here's the printers.conf listing from /etc/cups: >> >> Info HP Officejet Pro Print Function >> Location Downstairs >> MakeModel HP Officejet Pro 8500 a909a hpijs, 3.10.2 >> DeviceURI hp:/net/Officejet_Pro_8500_A909a?zc=HP73DA4B >> State Idle >> StateTime 1284560250 >> Type 8425500 >> Filter application/vnd.cups-raw 0 - >> Filter application/vnd.cups-postscript 100 foomatic-rip >> Filter application/vnd.cups-pdf 0 foomatic-rip >> Accepting Yes >> Shared Yes >> JobSheets none none >> QuotaPeriod 0 >> PageLimit 0 >> KLimit 0 >> OpPolicy default >> ErrorPolicy retry-job >> >> >> Here's my question: ?how do I access this printer from the d-link's wireless >> network? ?Do I have to open ports on one router or another? ?The device uri >> has been converted to that odd hp:/, but as I remember it used to be and LPD >> queue on a fixed IP. ?Again: ?can I push the printer info out into the >> subnet, or is this a lost cause? > > If you have it working with cups on a machine, then just have that > machine share the cups printer with the network. ?By default cups does > NOT share printers. ?You can change it using https://localhost:631/admin/ > > There is a checkbox for sharing. > > Make sure you are not firewalling port 631 of course. > > You won't even need to setup anything on the other machines as long as > they have the cups client software setup, they should auto detect the > printer once it is shared and just work. > Should this work automatically for a Windows client? Or do I need Samba to share a printer to Windows? -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 24 15:53:30 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:53:30 -0500 Subject: Happy Holidays Message-ID: <4D14C1FA.5080105@gmail.com> Trying something new =) http://bit.ly/f71GyI -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 24 16:29:57 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:29:57 -0500 Subject: Happy Holidays In-Reply-To: <4D14C1FA.5080105-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D14C1FA.5080105@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:53, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Trying something new =) http://bit.ly/f71GyI > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely > It'd be happy if I had any family and if I was back in my apartment. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 25 01:17:21 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:17:21 -0500 Subject: Happy Holidays In-Reply-To: References: <4D14C1FA.5080105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D154621.2080901@gmail.com> On 10-12-24 11:29 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:53, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> Trying something new =) http://bit.ly/f71GyI >> >> -- >> Kind Regards, >> Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely >> > > It'd be happy if I had any family and if I was back in my apartment. > > my advice is go out and make some friends, find yourself a girlfriend, just don't focus on the lacking, focus on the getting, otherwise noting is just going to happen imho best wishes! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 26 03:48:24 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 22:48:24 -0500 Subject: Happy Holidays In-Reply-To: <4D154621.2080901-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D14C1FA.5080105@gmail.com> <4D154621.2080901@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > On 10-12-24 11:29 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:53, Rajinder Yadav ?wrote: >>> >>> Trying something new =) http://bit.ly/f71GyI >>> >>> -- >>> Kind Regards, >>> Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely >>> >> >> It'd be happy if I had any family and if I was back in my apartment. >> >> > > my advice is go out and make some friends, find yourself a girlfriend, just > don't focus on the lacking, focus on the getting, otherwise noting is just > going to happen imho If one has the trouble of being pressed out of one's home, that adds an extra barrier to an already nontrivial set of challenges. I agree that 'tis good to do *something*. The inspirational thing that I saw today that seems at least vaguely relevant was the following: http://artofmanliness.com/2010/12/23/christmas-eve-manvotional-2010 There can be a remarkably small distance between things seeming terrible and having thankfulness for what is. If all that's possible is a small success, then having that may still suffice. Personally, I'm blessed to be in the company of beloved family (in Texas :-)). Hoping well for others! -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 26 17:11:05 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 12:11:05 -0500 Subject: IP Address numbers Message-ID: <4D177729.2010303@rogers.com> I use an add-in for Seamonkey and Firefox browsers, which shows the IP address (IPv4 or IPv6) of a web site. One thing I've noticed is after the IP address, there's often something like +1 or +5. This occurs with both IPv4 and IPv6. Does anyone have any idea what those "+" numbers represent? tnx jk -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From echapin-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 26 17:40:44 2010 From: echapin-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 12:40:44 -0500 Subject: IP Address numbers In-Reply-To: <4D177729.2010303-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D177729.2010303@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4D177E1C.1050701@teksavvy.com> On 12/26/2010 12:11 PM, James Knott wrote: > I use an add-in for Seamonkey and Firefox browsers, which shows the IP > address (IPv4 or IPv6) of a web site. One thing I've noticed is after > the IP address, there's often something like +1 or +5. This occurs with > both IPv4 and IPv6. Does anyone have any idea what those "+" numbers > represent? > > tnx jk > What is the add-in? -- Elliott Chapin http://clients.teksavvy.com/~echapin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 26 17:57:32 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 12:57:32 -0500 Subject: IP Address numbers In-Reply-To: <4D177E1C.1050701-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D177729.2010303@rogers.com> <4D177E1C.1050701@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <4D17820C.5070908@rogers.com> Elliott Chapin wrote: > On 12/26/2010 12:11 PM, James Knott wrote: >> I use an add-in for Seamonkey and Firefox browsers, which shows the IP >> address (IPv4 or IPv6) of a web site. One thing I've noticed is after >> the IP address, there's often something like +1 or +5. This occurs with >> both IPv4 and IPv6. Does anyone have any idea what those "+" numbers >> represent? >> >> tnx jk >> > > What is the add-in? > > ShowIP https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/590/ You don't have to manually download it. Just go through the process in the browser for add-ins. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 26 18:02:01 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:02:01 -0500 Subject: IP Address numbers In-Reply-To: <4D177729.2010303-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D177729.2010303@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4D178319.1020204@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > I use an add-in for Seamonkey and Firefox browsers, which shows the IP > address (IPv4 or IPv6) of a web site. One thing I've noticed is after > the IP address, there's often something like +1 or +5. This occurs > with both IPv4 and IPv6. Does anyone have any idea what those "+" > numbers represent? > Here's an example for google.ca: 2001:4860:800f::63 +1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 26 20:01:53 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:01:53 -0500 Subject: Happy Holidays In-Reply-To: References: <4D14C1FA.5080105@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dude, you should seek therapy. You'll learn to solve your problems and you'll become a happier person. Been there, done that. And, Happy Holidays everyone! On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 11:29, Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:53, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> Trying something new =) http://bit.ly/f71GyI >> >> -- >> Kind Regards, >> Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely >> > > It'd be happy if I had any family and if I was back in my apartment. > > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 27 01:13:38 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 20:13:38 -0500 Subject: [OT] phpmyadmin -- trouble importing In-Reply-To: <4D10B007.14091.14F07A2C-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: , <4D0F0B53.40203@ve3syb.ca> <4D10B007.14091.14F07A2C@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <4D17E842.5020808@ve3syb.ca> sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org wrote: > I admit to not > knowing what setting was appropriate for "Collation". I used all of > the defaults. Also, how does one find out the charset used for the > database? Login to phpMyAdmin and click the home icon. Just below where you can enter the name to create a new database is a button that lets you select the default collation for the MySQL connection. When you select a given database you will see (on the Structure tab) that each table can have it's own collation setting. If you click the Operations tab for a given database you will see a button near the bottom of the stuff to the right of the list of tables where you can set the collation for the database. The collation to use depends on what written/spoken languages you need to support in the text strings you will store in the database. If you will only be using characters that are standard ASCII (no accented characters), you can use latin1_general_ci. If you need to support accented characters, you might be better off using utf8_general_ci. > SELECT 'comment' > FROM 'phpmyadmin', 'pma_column_info' > WHERE db_name = 'dbname' > AND table_name = '' > AND column_name = '(db_comment)' [snip] > #1100 - Table 'pma_column_info' was not locked with LOCK TABLES For now, it would be simpler for you to remove any SQL states involving any database or table with a name starting with 'pma' (unless you know its one of your own tables that just happens to start with those three letters). The pma tables have to do with additional relation and bookmarking features. You don't really need the tables but they are handy to have as they can be useful to help phpMyAdmin to generate documentation about the structure of databases. In order to use the pma features there are additional installation and configuration steps you need to perform. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 27 22:37:07 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:37:07 -0500 Subject: [OT]Brownout Message-ID: <4D191513.7000607@gmail.com> Anyone else experiencing brownout today? Been having them all day in north etobicoke, maybe some transformer is getting ready to kick the bucket. Sure is nice to have a UPS, it's saved my system from crashing many times throughout the day. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From david.vangeest-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 16:56:07 2010 From: david.vangeest-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David van Geest) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:56:07 -0500 Subject: IP Address numbers In-Reply-To: <4D178319.1020204-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D177729.2010303@rogers.com> <4D178319.1020204@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 1:02 PM, James Knott wrote: > James Knott wrote: >> >> I use an add-in for Seamonkey and Firefox browsers, which shows the IP >> address (IPv4 or IPv6) of a web site. ?One thing I've noticed is after the >> IP address, there's often something like +1 or +5. ?This occurs with both >> IPv4 and IPv6. ?Does anyone have any idea what those "+" numbers represent? >> > > Here's an example for google.ca: > 2001:4860:800f::63 +1 Just a guess, but perhaps it is denoting that the domain in question resolves to multiple IPs? So the above resolves to the given IP and one additional. -David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 02:25:47 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:25:47 -0500 Subject: IP Address numbers In-Reply-To: References: <4D177729.2010303@rogers.com> <4D178319.1020204@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4D1BEDAB.6030603@rogers.com> David van Geest wrote: >> Here's an example for google.ca: >> > 2001:4860:800f::63 +1 >> > Just a guess, but perhaps it is denoting that the domain in question > resolves to multiple IPs? So the above resolves to the given IP and > one additional. > I suspect as much too, but it'd be nice to know for sure. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 07:29:53 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 02:29:53 -0500 Subject: What is best format to transcode TS capture to Message-ID: <20101230072953.GA32229@waltdnes.org> An HDTV capture can eat up 9 gigs per hour in the TS (Transport Stream) format. What's the best format, in terms of space saving, without losing quality? I have both avidemux and mencoder available and I don't mind a long slow encoding process. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 11:20:46 2010 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:20:46 -0500 Subject: What is best format to transcode TS capture to In-Reply-To: <20101230072953.GA32229-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20101230072953.GA32229@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On 30 December 2010 02:29, Walter Dnes wrote: > ?An HDTV capture can eat up 9 gigs per hour in the TS (Transport > Stream) format. ?What's the best format, in terms of space saving, > without losing quality? TS format is just a container. What codec is used for the video? If it's MPEG-2 then you could transcode it to MPEG-4 AVC/H.264. If it's already H.264 then you won't get much better than that without lowering quality. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 17:35:31 2010 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:35:31 -0500 Subject: IP Address numbers In-Reply-To: <4D1BEDAB.6030603-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4D177729.2010303@rogers.com> <4D178319.1020204@rogers.com> <4D1BEDAB.6030603@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:25 PM, James Knott wrote: > David van Geest wrote: >> >> Just a guess, but perhaps it is denoting that the domain in question >> resolves to multiple IPs? ?So the above resolves to the given IP and >> one additional. > > I suspect as much too, but it'd be nice to know for sure. I'd be surprised if it weren't. From the changelog: [-- quote --] v0.8.03 - s/more/+/ [-- /quote --] After trying it out, right-clicking on the address shows the alternates... for example, I get "74.125.226.80 +4" from google.ca and right clicking the visible address shows the 4 additional addresses (5 total). Seems like a reasonable explanation for +n to me. You may need to contact the bug address (jdi at l4x.org) or create an issue to be sure; I took a look at the Google Code project* but didn't see any mailing lists or other contact info. All the best, - Scott. * -- ? Scott Elcomb ? http://www.psema4.com/?? @psema4 ? Member of the Pirate Party of Canada ? http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 18:28:48 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:28:48 -0800 Subject: Weird quotas issue Message-ID: Hey all, I've recent been experiencing some odd quota issues on a few boxes at the office. /home is on an XFS filesystem, mounted "rw,usrquota" (same as everywhere else here) On other boxen, having no quota set (or quota=0), means that the user us not subject to quota restrictions. However, after my co-worker began setting quotas on this box, something has gone awry. For example, I'm getting this... joe at dra:/home/samba$ quota -s Disk quotas for user joe (uid 20368): none joe at dra:/home/samba$ touch foo touch: cannot touch `foo': Disk quota exceeded Anyone know what might be up here? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 21:13:50 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:13:50 -0500 Subject: ssh scp question Message-ID: <4D1CF60E.2000604@gmail.com> i notice when i do a scp from my linux laptop to my main linux box there is considerable delay before i am asked for a password to begin the scp op if i do this from my other linux box there is hardly any delay, what could cause the delay? -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 21:15:09 2010 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:15:09 -0500 Subject: ssh scp questionn In-Reply-To: <4D1CF60E.2000604-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D1CF60E.2000604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20101230211509.GA23632@watson-wilson.ca> Delays like this are often DNS related. The server will try a reverse lookup of the client. If there is no entry there is a delay. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 21:15:39 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:15:39 -0800 Subject: ssh scp question In-Reply-To: <4D1CF60E.2000604-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D1CF60E.2000604@gmail.com> Message-ID: DNS settings? I found that SSH can go *really* slow if your DNS is a bit messed up, especially if firewall rules are messing with it (I believe it was something with RDNS lookups). On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > i notice when i do a scp from my linux laptop to my main linux box there is > considerable delay before i am asked for a password to begin the scp op > > if i do this from my other linux box there is hardly any delay, what could > cause the delay? > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely > > GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic > Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 > Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA "Computers don't make mistakes. They can, however, execute those provided to them very quickly" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 21:22:07 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:22:07 -0500 Subject: ssh scp question In-Reply-To: References: <4D1CF60E.2000604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D1CF7FF.50901@gmail.com> On 10-12-30 04:15 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > DNS settings? > > I found that SSH can go *really* slow if your DNS is a bit messed up, > especially if firewall rules are messing with it (I believe it was > something with RDNS lookups). that 2 for dns setting =) ...i am on a LAN on the same network, however my laptop linux is running on a vmware image on win7 so possiblly this has something to do with dns name resolution i wonder if i were to bridge the network on my vm-image rather than use nat if that would fix things up, going to give this a try! thanks for the hint guys > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> i notice when i do a scp from my linux laptop to my main linux box there is >> considerable delay before i am asked for a password to begin the scp op >> >> if i do this from my other linux box there is hardly any delay, what could >> cause the delay? >> >> -- >> Kind Regards, >> Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely >> >> GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic >> Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 >> Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 21:45:18 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:45:18 -0500 Subject: ssh scp question In-Reply-To: <4D1CF7FF.50901-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4D1CF60E.2000604@gmail.com> <4D1CF7FF.50901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D1CFD6E.5010707@gmail.com> On 10-12-30 04:22 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > On 10-12-30 04:15 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> DNS settings? >> >> I found that SSH can go *really* slow if your DNS is a bit messed up, >> especially if firewall rules are messing with it (I believe it was >> something with RDNS lookups). > > that 2 for dns setting =) ...i am on a LAN on the same network, however > my laptop linux is running on a vmware image on win7 so possiblly this > has something to do with dns name resolution > > i wonder if i were to bridge the network on my vm-image rather than use > nat if that would fix things up, going to give this a try! > > thanks for the hint guys > that fixed my problem, fast as the other box now FYI: set vm network connection to bridge and checked the "replicate physical network" thanks again! -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-23-generic Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1 Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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