From instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 1 12:19:44 2010 From: instantkamera-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (aaron d) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 08:19:44 -0400 Subject: good console bases sys monitors In-Reply-To: <4C549D4C.2050901-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4C549D4C.2050901@gmail.com> Message-ID: iftop, iostat, vmstat, free, df ? they aren't monitors in the sense that you are talking in the second half of your question (i.e. they don't take action, they simply tell you what is going on). In my experience with monitoring systems, you generally would not want something just killing off random PIDs at it's own discretion, let alone REBOOTING because of a memory leak. We never reboot :) Usually you would want to receive some form of alert so that you can use these tools to investigate the issue and possibly take steps to keep it from happening over and over again. However there may be a time when you just want to kill a notoriously bad process (google chrome anyone?) if it gets out of hand. conky (http://conky.sourceforge.net/) is not a console-based monitor, but is very nice, and of course if you are monitoring remotely you could always forward X to your local machine. -aaron On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Other than top, that's as far as my linux-fu gets me =P, what other console > based monitors are you guys using that has low cpu load for things like: > > network activity, file activity, storage space, low memory > > if the system is overloaded, i'm memory leaks, errant process is there a > monitor that will force the server to reboot? i am asking more for an > education purpose and not any kind of immediate use > > Thanks, > Rajinder > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 1 16:46:55 2010 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 12:46:55 -0400 Subject: GNOME Census Report available Message-ID: <4C55A4FF.7030406@ss.org> Some reading material that might be of interests. This first edition of the GNOME Census answers some often-asked questions about the GNOME project, including: * Who are the most active developers in GNOME? * Which companies are investing in GNOME? * Who do GNOME developers work for? http://www.neary-consulting.com/index.php/services/gnome-census/ They are collecting Names and Emails of downloaders. For those that care it I've mirrored it here: http://openrebel.ss.org/GNOME_Census.pdf -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 1 16:59:07 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 12:59:07 -0400 Subject: good console bases sys monitors In-Reply-To: References: <4C549D4C.2050901@gmail.com> Message-ID: I rather wish that Conky was designed such that its output could be captured so as to be accessible either remotely or on console/stdout/syslog. Sadly, Conky is really a workstation-oriented thing. I'd probably use it if I weren't on tiling window managers that make it useless in the "background" sense. What I'd rather see is an event processor tool. Syslog (and successors) are part of the right direction, but not perfect. I find it useless for logs to fill with zillions of repeats of the same issue. I had /var/log/messages fill with .5k of CDROM gripes 5x/second. Not information. When it filled my disk, it was, itself a DOS "attack" (albeit one not intended as such). The MVC "thing" would be to have an event processor. Receives events from all sorts of places. A collector would logs "raw" verbose events, IF ASKED. A collector would store logs "cooked" to summarize a fair bit would make better 'default' for /var/log fodder. A 3GB log file is almost never useful for anything :-(. Processors/collectors that summarize and add those as further events: fine thing. Processors that interpret/correlate other events... "ooh... This looks like a remote attack. Oops. That's maybe a DDOS? Oh dear, OOM and things are caving in." Conky-ish rules to report events of interest would be pretty useful, especially if the report can aggregate across hosts. That's more on the "view" side. -- Christopher Browne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 1 21:47:16 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:47:16 -0400 Subject: good console bases sys monitors In-Reply-To: References: <4C549D4C.2050901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C55EB64.5090506@gmail.com> i know some of those tools, not an avid user of them, will read up. as for rebooting or restarting errant process, i was thinking of this in terms of my own web-server hosting setup, in particular my own rails apps, since i would be logging error, i would know what was causing any kind of abnormal memory, cpu, network load, it would be a stop gap solution till the real issue was rectified in the code or through load balancing, etc. i heard a talk from the reddit founder talking about fail often, crash early and they were using some of this monitoring techniques, it was interesting and something to mull over for sure =) thanks, Rajinder On 10-08-01 08:19 AM, aaron d wrote: > iftop, iostat, vmstat, free, df ? they aren't monitors in the sense > that you are talking in the second half of your question (i.e. they > don't take action, they simply tell you what is going on). In my > experience with monitoring systems, you generally would not want > something just killing off random PIDs at it's own discretion, let > alone REBOOTING because of a memory leak. We never reboot :) Usually > you would want to receive some form of alert so that you can use these > tools to investigate the issue and possibly take steps to keep it from > happening over and over again. However there may be a time when you > just want to kill a notoriously bad process (google chrome anyone?) if > it gets out of hand. > > conky (http://conky.sourceforge.net/) is not a console-based monitor, > but is very nice, and of course if you are monitoring remotely you > could always forward X to your local machine. > > -aaron > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Rajinder Yadav @gmail.com > wrote: > > Other than top, that's as far as my linux-fu gets me =P, what > other console based monitors are you guys using that has low cpu > load for things like: > > network activity, file activity, storage space, low memory > > if the system is overloaded, i'm memory leaks, errant process is > there a monitor that will force the server to reboot? i am asking > more for an education purpose and not any kind of immediate use > > Thanks, > Rajinder > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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We aren't running windows here :) On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > i know some of those tools, not an avid user of them, will read up. > > as for rebooting or restarting errant process, i was thinking of this in > terms of my own web-server hosting setup, in particular my own rails apps, > since i would be logging error, i would know what was causing any kind of > abnormal memory, cpu, network load, it would be a stop gap solution till the > real issue was rectified in the code or through load balancing, etc. > > i heard a talk from the reddit founder talking about fail often, crash > early and they were using some of this monitoring techniques, it was > interesting and something to mull over for sure =) > > thanks, > Rajinder > > > > > On 10-08-01 08:19 AM, aaron d wrote: > > iftop, iostat, vmstat, free, df ? they aren't monitors in the sense that > you are talking in the second half of your question (i.e. they don't take > action, they simply tell you what is going on). In my experience with > monitoring systems, you generally would not want something just killing off > random PIDs at it's own discretion, let alone REBOOTING because of a memory > leak. We never reboot :) Usually you would want to receive some form of > alert so that you can use these tools to investigate the issue and possibly > take steps to keep it from happening over and over again. However there may > be a time when you just want to kill a notoriously bad process (google > chrome anyone?) if it gets out of hand. > > conky (http://conky.sourceforge.net/) is not a console-based monitor, but > is very nice, and of course if you are monitoring remotely you could always > forward X to your local machine. > > -aaron > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > >> Other than top, that's as far as my linux-fu gets me =P, what other >> console based monitors are you guys using that has low cpu load for things >> like: >> >> network activity, file activity, storage space, low memory >> >> if the system is overloaded, i'm memory leaks, errant process is there a >> monitor that will force the server to reboot? i am asking more for an >> education purpose and not any kind of immediate use >> >> Thanks, >> Rajinder >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 1 22:19:08 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:19:08 -0400 Subject: good console bases sys monitors In-Reply-To: References: <4C549D4C.2050901@gmail.com> <4C55EB64.5090506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C55F2DC.9010503@gmail.com> i guess in reddit case they were dealing with millions of requests, the system in going to buckle under that kind of demand. few choices when you have low mem, a hung server, shitty code (opps did I say that) or errant process, reboot or restart seems the best immediate solution to maintain a certain quality of service. this helps fight the fire while you're trying to figure out what is going wrong, if there is a pattern is will be easier to figure out than those quirky ones that just show up randomly. you're right it should be fairly easy to write a script to monitor some of the things and send out an alert or take some action, i am not sure exactly what data can be pulled by those tools for a script to query a system. i don't want to run and maintain a lot of scripts that are using more cpu to query, parse and poll said services if there is a better solution out there, something event driven rather than poll/parse driven. this is really a good education exercise for me, it's helping me learn more linux from a sys op point of view than from a hacker point of view =) kind regards, Rajinder On 10-08-01 06:01 PM, aaron d wrote: > If you can program it should be fairly trivial to script custom > monitoring using the aforementioned tools, that takes the action of > your choice. Reboot though, as stated before, is a bad habit to get > into and generally NEVER the answer. We aren't running windows here :) > > > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Rajinder Yadav @gmail.com > wrote: > > i know some of those tools, not an avid user of them, will read up. > > as for rebooting or restarting errant process, i was thinking of > this in terms of my own web-server hosting setup, in particular my > own rails apps, since i would be logging error, i would know what > was causing any kind of abnormal memory, cpu, network load, it > would be a stop gap solution till the real issue was rectified in > the code or through load balancing, etc. > > i heard a talk from the reddit founder talking about fail often, > crash early and they were using some of this monitoring > techniques, it was interesting and something to mull over for sure =) > > thanks, > Rajinder > > > > > On 10-08-01 08:19 AM, aaron d wrote: >> iftop, iostat, vmstat, free, df ? they aren't monitors in the >> sense that you are talking in the second half of your question >> (i.e. they don't take action, they simply tell you what is going >> on). In my experience with monitoring systems, you generally >> would not want something just killing off random PIDs at it's own >> discretion, let alone REBOOTING because of a memory leak. We >> never reboot :) Usually you would want to receive some form of >> alert so that you can use these tools to investigate the issue >> and possibly take steps to keep it from happening over and over >> again. However there may be a time when you just want to kill a >> notoriously bad process (google chrome anyone?) if it gets out of >> hand. >> >> conky (http://conky.sourceforge.net/) is not a console-based >> monitor, but is very nice, and of course if you are monitoring >> remotely you could always forward X to your local machine. >> >> -aaron >> >> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Rajinder Yadav > @gmail.com > wrote: >> >> Other than top, that's as far as my linux-fu gets me =P, what >> other console based monitors are you guys using that has low >> cpu load for things like: >> >> network activity, file activity, storage space, low memory >> >> if the system is overloaded, i'm memory leaks, errant process >> is there a monitor that will force the server to reboot? i am >> asking more for an education purpose and not any kind of >> immediate use >> >> Thanks, >> Rajinder >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Monit and daemontools come to mind if there's some action that needs to be taken. Otherwise, Nagios for monitoring has many different types of plugins and conditions for sending notifications when threshold foo is reached. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 2 04:33:16 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 00:33:16 -0400 Subject: Can't start Quake 2 from desktop icon Message-ID: I have Quake 2 installed to /usr/local/games, and it runs fine from a terminal. However, if I create a launcher on my desktop and run it that way I just get a black screen and I have to kill Xorg. I tried creating a script in ~/bin that just does: cd /usr/local/games/quake2 ./quake2 and using that as the command in the launcher, but same result. Anyone have an idea what's causing this? -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 2 06:08:41 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 02:08:41 -0400 Subject: Can't start Quake 2 from desktop icon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100802020841.b343157f.tleslie@tcn.net> add ./quake2 > /tmp/quake.log 2> /tmp/quake2.log to the run, to get whatever feed back it might be droping for you. You're not running the quake from command shell as root? and another account via your desktop launch? tl On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 00:33:16 -0400 Thomas Milne wrote: > I have Quake 2 installed to /usr/local/games, and it runs fine from a > terminal. However, if I create a launcher on my desktop and run it > that way I just get a black screen and I have to kill Xorg. > > I tried creating a script in ~/bin that just does: > > cd /usr/local/games/quake2 > ./quake2 > > and using that as the command in the launcher, but same result. > > Anyone have an idea what's causing this? > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 2 19:08:15 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:08:15 -0400 Subject: G20 security cameras In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I have a feeling they won't be removed. ?Oh, and don't you just love > the placement of the cameras on Gerrard, that's to keep an eye on the > street kids at Covenant House. > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Anybody know if they were ever removed? William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 2 20:14:12 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:14:12 -0400 Subject: G20 security cameras In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:08 PM, William Muriithi wrote: >> I have a feeling they won't be removed. ?Oh, and don't you just love >> the placement of the cameras on Gerrard, that's to keep an eye on the >> street kids at Covenant House. >> >> -- >> Sincerely, >> >> Michael Lauzon >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > Anybody know if they were ever removed? > > William There was an article in the newspaper about a week after the G20 showing cameras being taken down. What I don't know is the answer to the question "What percentage of cameras that were put up for the G20 have now been taken down?". I am cynical enough to think that some of the G20 cameras were left up... Colin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 2 21:14:47 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:14:47 -0400 Subject: Byron Sonne still in jail Message-ID: Some things I found while looking for updates on this case, thought people on here might want to help: http://www.facebook.com/freebyron http://freebyron.org/index.php/Main_Page -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 2 21:26:10 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:26:10 -0400 Subject: Byron Sonne still in jail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C5737F2.5050202@alteeve.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10-08-02 05:14 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > Some things I found while looking for updates on this case, thought > people on here might want to help: > > http://www.facebook.com/freebyron > > http://freebyron.org/index.php/Main_Page Any and all help is appreciated. For those who can, an defense fund has been setup to help with his legal costs. Details are on the http://freebyron.org site. - -- Digimer E-Mail: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMVzfyAAoJEMXwZwlGcfiQ59MH/A4Ix4zMwoEZYe5aDq+zUqZh kLEiBigPmesfwMY5dAT/Vd0F2JDvc79zGFlAJVFiC9tWBez2gi/T1uJmeR2IU9O+ MpK6t9SduiD8XYJfPaE+zymqGwGxUS15qcTa7/XN8WAQkVhAjvxBpYmzCTa5Rsx2 e8jbV1CIUdLHGWJF1IgvLPrIdgg/S+9U9chlKi/AXZu0sylwpjOQMD0gkIOzh4V+ pzgDAUNv5UfE9FTZsaP/tiSnZIq+/3bhbq2XP8MLLFKww8J8hlAsLJOp+16WwwpZ KbUxHQqOc6tlm4e++6Txwsb8ZT5wxAoz4xYkthK4H5qm1wjgNhd8/YXoGhAlD3A= =qQlk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 2 22:14:35 2010 From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:14:35 -0400 Subject: G20 security cameras In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:08 PM, William Muriithi > wrote: >>> I have a feeling they won't be removed. ?Oh, and don't you just love >>> the placement of the cameras on Gerrard, that's to keep an eye on the >>> street kids at Covenant House. >>> >>> -- >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Michael Lauzon >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> Anybody know if they were ever removed? >> >> William > > There was an article in the newspaper about a week after the G20 > showing cameras being taken down. What I don't know is the answer to > the question "What percentage of cameras that were put up for the G20 > have now been taken down?". I am cynical enough to think that some of > the G20 cameras were left up... I have seen that some have been removed. Based on that, they were all removed from OSM by an OSM contributor. Probably worth double checking, I say. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 2 22:17:10 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:17:10 -0400 Subject: G20 security cameras In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > I have seen that some have been removed. ?Based on that, they were all > removed from OSM by an OSM contributor. ?Probably worth double > checking, I say. I'm surprised that they took them down before folks like Sonne have been granted bail. If there are such dangers out there that they *can't* merit bail, then surely that justifies ongoing surveillance, right? -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 2 23:03:16 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 19:03:16 -0400 Subject: G20 security cameras In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C574EB4.5090507@alteeve.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10-08-02 06:17 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Richard Weait wrote: >> I have seen that some have been removed. Based on that, they were all >> removed from OSM by an OSM contributor. Probably worth double >> checking, I say. > > I'm surprised that they took them down before folks like Sonne have > been granted bail. If there are such dangers out there that they > *can't* merit bail, then surely that justifies ongoing surveillance, > right? The issues with Byron's case are complex and serious. Please refrain from speculation, even in jest. - -- Digimer E-Mail: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMV060AAoJEMXwZwlGcfiQo0EH/0rCu0iH6dPSUk88lnVHYCCh PTXkzAffyY1On7av8KiD7b6xsFbpm+JwIuDsuR6Ak+5O2qfyupW8ywF254kG2znU tXlK2DZOHxNQ2bcR5EVTBjHaBMtJui4ujEA/B5Cb+nvn+FcHrwFsLz1Rn6VvN6hB fipEwodTMukV8bmh7LLDbfT+OCD3xMS14OUPpO7wClCMPQJlqZBRWLbDI9p3XrCq XZ2YGZoOCFJZHIamqBB5WhLKlWtjRx2HZXnFfGIQb+Wdgu6Y07+OOg/AR/reHf9d 7WqP43jAz5BfA8kSqJMegRRF24Ql3hihKlgEoVh9cNK8e9XJ+5rY9PitmINQE7Y= =Q/1o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 3 19:49:37 2010 From: liberosec-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Fernando Duran) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 12:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: no root account ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <4C5342D2.6090004-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5342D2.6090004@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <741506.27404.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo --------------------- Fernando Duran http://www.fduran.com ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mr Chris Aitken > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 5:23:30 PM > Subject: [TLUG]: no root account ubuntu? > > I had a tech install the latest ubuntu on my computer. He swears he was never >asked for a password for root. It only asked that he create one account. The >password for that account does not work for root (say, using su). Is there a >default password for root? Does root not exist? > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 3 20:06:44 2010 From: meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (meng) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 16:06:44 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable Message-ID: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> Hi Is anyone on Teksavvy cable in Toronto? How is the experience? Is there any "throttling"? I'm around the Bloor-Ossington area and am thinking of switching to Teksavvy Express Cable. Up to 10Mbps down, 200G cap and at $36.95 a month. I'm presently using Teksavvy Premium DSL and with MLPPP and static IP, it's $35.95. Up to 5Mbps down, 200G cap and with Tomato/MLPPP. Thanks. Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 3 20:22:29 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <957415.75834.qm@web110803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> How is your experience with Teksavvy's Premium DSL? I'm thinking of switching from Rogers to Teksavvy. Unfortunately, Teksavvy says cable is not available in my area, even though I'm already using Rogers. Odd... How are you using MLPPP? As I understand, it's a way of combining 2 connections into one with 2x effective bandwidth. But, if I have just single DSL line, what good is it? -- William ----- Original Message ---- > From: meng > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 4:06:44 PM > Subject: [TLUG]: OT: Teksavvy Cable > > Hi > > Is anyone on Teksavvy cable in Toronto? > How is the experience? > Is there any "throttling"? > > I'm around the Bloor-Ossington area and am thinking of switching to Teksavvy >Express Cable. > Up to 10Mbps down, 200G cap and at $36.95 a month. > > I'm presently using Teksavvy Premium DSL and with MLPPP and static IP, it's >$35.95. > Up to 5Mbps down, 200G cap and with Tomato/MLPPP. > > Thanks. > > Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 3 20:22:48 2010 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:22:48 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> This is heresay only but I've heard that there are problems with the cable service since the leaser, Rogers I think, doesn't provide much for Techsavvy to work with. I suggest you do a web search. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 3 20:36:58 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 16:36:58 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <20100803202248.GB7034-8agRmHhQ+n0LFV1hc+Bozg@public.gmane.org> References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> Message-ID: <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> On 08/03/2010 04:22 PM, Neil Watson wrote: > This is heresay only but I've heard that there are problems with the > cable service since the leaser, Rogers I think, doesn't provide much for > Techsavvy to work with. I suggest you do a web search. I have their 10mbit cable, no throttling, no support issues. I can't say enough good things about it, esp. after upgrading from their DSL which Bell throttled to 3mbits. Teksavvy cable + 1 :) Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 3 20:47:24 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:47:24 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <4C587DEA.3010707-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: TekSavvy +1 Ditto on all. On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On 08/03/2010 04:22 PM, Neil Watson wrote: > > This is heresay only but I've heard that there are problems with the > > cable service since the leaser, Rogers I think, doesn't provide much for > > Techsavvy to work with. I suggest you do a web search. > > I have their 10mbit cable, no throttling, no support issues. I can't say > enough good things about it, esp. after upgrading from their DSL which > Bell throttled to 3mbits. > > Teksavvy cable + 1 :) > > Jamon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 3 20:55:33 2010 From: meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (meng) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 16:55:33 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable Message-ID: <59a702f085116a64b06f8c0b0e880b2a@teksavvy.com> >From http://fixppp.org/index.php?p=about: Tomato/MLPPP is a fork of the popular Tomato firmware (http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato) for consumer broadband routers. The primary goal is to enable users to bond multiple DSL connections using MultiLink PPP (MLPPP), and/or to circumvent Bell Canada's DPI-based throttling by using MLPPP on a single DSL line. Obviously, your ISP must support MLPPP in order for this firmware to be of any use. Currently, only TekSavvy (http://teksavvy.com), Velcom (http://www.velcom.ca), and Caneris (http://caneris.com) are known to support this. Acanac (http://www.acanac.ca) and Electronic Box (http://www.electronicbox.net) are currently working on enabling MLPPP support, to various degrees. I'm using Tomato/MLPPP on my WRT54GL and I'm happy with what I get. But then, if I get up to 10Mbps and at only a dollar more monthly,,, that's not counting installation and modem costs :-) Meng -----Original message----- From: William Park opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:22:29 -0400 To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Teksavvy Cable > How is your experience with Teksavvy's Premium DSL? > I'm thinking of switching from Rogers to Teksavvy. Unfortunately, Teksavvy > says cable is not available in my area, even though I'm already using Rogers. > Odd... > > How are you using MLPPP? As I understand, it's a way of combining 2 connections > into one with 2x effective bandwidth. But, if I have just single DSL line, what > good > > is it? > > -- > William > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: meng > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 4:06:44 PM > > Subject: [TLUG]: OT: Teksavvy Cable > > > > Hi > > > > Is anyone on Teksavvy cable in Toronto? > > How is the experience? > > Is there any "throttling"? > > > > I'm around the Bloor-Ossington area and am thinking of switching to Teksavvy > >Express Cable. > > Up to 10Mbps down, 200G cap and at $36.95 a month. > > > > I'm presently using Teksavvy Premium DSL and with MLPPP and static IP, it's > >$35.95. > > Up to 5Mbps down, 200G cap and with Tomato/MLPPP. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Meng > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 3 21:16:47 2010 From: meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (meng) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:16:47 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable Message-ID: Thanks, Neil I just did :-) Meng -----Original message----- From: Neil Watson tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:22:48 -0400 To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Teksavvy Cable > This is heresay only but I've heard that there are problems with the > cable service since the leaser, Rogers I think, doesn't provide much for > Techsavvy to work with. I suggest you do a web search. > > -- > Neil Watson > Linux/UNIX Consultant > http://watson-wilson.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 3 21:18:02 2010 From: meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (meng) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:18:02 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable Message-ID: <50d879460715a43afe9682f58f28a930@teksavvy.com> Thanks, Jamon. Meng -----Original message----- From: Jamon Camisso jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:36:58 -0400 To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Teksavvy Cable > On 08/03/2010 04:22 PM, Neil Watson wrote: > > This is heresay only but I've heard that there are problems with the > > cable service since the leaser, Rogers I think, doesn't provide much for > > Techsavvy to work with. I suggest you do a web search. > > I have their 10mbit cable, no throttling, no support issues. I can't say > enough good things about it, esp. after upgrading from their DSL which > Bell throttled to 3mbits. > > Teksavvy cable + 1 :) > > Jamon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 3 21:18:58 2010 From: meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (meng) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:18:58 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable Message-ID: <5a955522618dd3c7b65d1e12734faf6a@teksavvy.com> Thanks, Dave Meng -----Original message----- From: Dave Germiquet davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:47:24 -0400 To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Teksavvy Cable > TekSavvy +1 > > Ditto on all. > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Jamon Camisso wrote: > > > On 08/03/2010 04:22 PM, Neil Watson wrote: > > > This is heresay only but I've heard that there are problems with the > > > cable service since the leaser, Rogers I think, doesn't provide much for > > > Techsavvy to work with. I suggest you do a web search. > > > > I have their 10mbit cable, no throttling, no support issues. I can't say > > enough good things about it, esp. after upgrading from their DSL which > > Bell throttled to 3mbits. > > > > Teksavvy cable + 1 :) > > > > Jamon > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > -- > > > > Dave Germiquet > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 3 21:23:22 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 17:23:22 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <5a955522618dd3c7b65d1e12734faf6a-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <5a955522618dd3c7b65d1e12734faf6a@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: Hi Meng, A friend of mine called TekSavvy asked if he would be throttled, i think they told him it depends on rogers. (Some area's are, some area's arent) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 3 21:37:30 2010 From: meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (meng) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:37:30 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable Message-ID: <858d4695ec83970a644abaa6e56df260@teksavvy.com> Hi Dave Many thanks for taking the trouble to post this. I believe throttling will be up to Rogers, Teksavvy cannot influence them. I'm presently on Teksavvy Premium DSL, up to 5Mbps. I have never reached 5Mbps or anywhere even near. This I believe is due to Bell. Meng -----Original message----- From: Dave Germiquet davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 16:23:22 -0400 To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Teksavvy Cable > Hi Meng, > > A friend of mine called TekSavvy asked if he would be throttled, i think > they told him it depends on rogers. > > (Some area's are, some area's arent) > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 3 22:22:39 2010 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 18:22:39 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <4C587DEA.3010707-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> (Jamon Camisso's message of "Tue, 03 Aug 2010 16:36:58 -0400") References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <87sk2ve3ps.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Jamon Camisso a ?crit profondement: | I have their 10mbit cable, no throttling, no support issues. I can't say | enough good things about it, esp. after upgrading from their DSL which | Bell throttled to 3mbits. > I just got 5.75 down and 0.57 up which I suppose is OK for Teksavvy, from New York But Rogers have a free wifi which admittedly is slow, but at least it's free so I'm thinking of dropping Teksavvy -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 3 22:30:22 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 18:30:22 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <87sk2ve3ps.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK+fHhOEst38E2irXDjt672IAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> <87sk2ve3ps.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <4C58987E.3020704@utoronto.ca> On 8/3/2010 6:22 PM, Slack Rat wrote: > Jamon Camisso a ?crit profondement: > > | I have their 10mbit cable, no throttling, no support issues. I can't say > | enough good things about it, esp. after upgrading from their DSL which > | Bell throttled to 3mbits. >> > > I just got 5.75 down and 0.57 up which I suppose is OK for Teksavvy, > from New York Cable or DSL? Cable with Teksavvy peaks at about 20-25mbps for the first few megabytes of a file, then it settles to a sustained 10mbit (or around 1.2Mb/s). Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 3 22:39:49 2010 From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 18:39:49 -0400 Subject: GPL upheld in court again. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ho hum. ?Just another GPL violator having their errors pointed out to them in court. ?It would have been much less painful to print a reference to the GPL in the user manual and offer a link to download the source. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100803132055210 "Judge Shira Scheindlin of the Southern District of New York has now granted Software Freedom Conservancy, a wing ?of Software Freedom Law Center, triple damages ($90,000) for willful copyright infringement, lawyer's fees and costs ($47,865), an injunction against Westinghouse, and an order requiring Westinghouse to turn over all infringing equipment in its possession to the plaintiffs, to be donated to charity. So, presumably a lot of high-def TVs are on their way to charities. " -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 3 22:43:28 2010 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 18:43:28 -0400 Subject: GPL upheld in court again. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C589B90.6060902@linuxcaffe.ca> On 10-08-03 06:39 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > ho hum. Just another GPL violator having their errors pointed out to > them in court. Bravo! and all it took was for one man (RMS) to be so completely consumed by the idea that he fathered this remarkable license, and inspired a generation to use it and defend it. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 3 22:58:45 2010 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 18:58:45 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <4C58987E.3020704-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> (Jamon Camisso's message of "Tue, 03 Aug 2010 18:30:22 -0400") References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> <87sk2ve3ps.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <4C58987E.3020704@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <878w4nwbfe.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Jamon Camisso a ?crit profondement: | > I just got 5.75 down and 0.57 up which I suppose is OK for Teksavvy, | > from New York > | Cable or DSL? Cable with Teksavvy peaks at about 20-25mbps for the | first few megabytes of a file, then it settles to a sustained 10mbit | (or around 1.2Mb/s). dsl it dropped a tad, but still acceptable by Teksavvy standards http://azurservers.com:6080/rbr/speed.jpg -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 4 03:38:00 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 23:38:00 -0400 Subject: good console bases sys monitors In-Reply-To: <4C562246.7010401-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C549D4C.2050901@gmail.com> <4C55EB64.5090506@gmail.com> <4C55F2DC.9010503@gmail.com> <4C562246.7010401@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4C58E098.7030104@gmail.com> On 10-08-01 09:41 PM, Jamon Camisso wrote: > On 08/01/2010 06:19 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > >> i guess in reddit case they were dealing with millions of requests, the >> system in going to buckle under that kind of demand. few choices when >> you have low mem, a hung server, shitty code (opps did I say that) or >> errant process, reboot or restart seems the best immediate solution to >> maintain a certain quality of service. this helps fight the fire while >> you're trying to figure out what is going wrong, if there is a pattern >> is will be easier to figure out than those quirky ones that just show up >> randomly. >> >> you're right it should be fairly easy to write a script to monitor some >> of the things and send out an alert or take some action, i am not sure >> exactly what data can be pulled by those tools for a script to query a >> system. i don't want to run and maintain a lot of scripts that are using >> more cpu to query, parse and poll said services if there is a better >> solution out there, something event driven rather than poll/parse driven. >> > Monit and daemontools come to mind if there's some action that needs to > be taken. Otherwise, Nagios for monitoring has many different types of > plugins and conditions for sending notifications when threshold foo is > reached. > > Jamon > This is cool stuff, Monit looks simple enough to get hacking with, and I like simple stuff =) Thanks! Rajinder -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 4 19:48:54 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <87sk2ve3ps.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK+fHhOEst38E2irXDjt672IAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> <87sk2ve3ps.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Message-ID: | From: Slack Rat | But Rogers have a free wifi which admittedly is slow, but at least it's | free so I'm thinking of dropping Teksavvy What do you mean by "have a free wifi"? Is Rogers loaning you a wireless router with an installation? Are they offering subscribers free access to WiFi hotspots around town? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 4 21:21:33 2010 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:21:33 -0400 Subject: Anyone here good with XSLT? Message-ID: Hey all, I have a quick question or two about something I'm trying in XSL that isn't working. Any offers of help are appreciated, -- - Evan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 4 21:34:37 2010 From: el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:34:37 -0400 Subject: Anyone here good with XSLT? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've dabbled in it and am far from expert, but I'm clearly too curious for my own good... Mike On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > Hey all, > > I have a quick question or two about something I'm trying in XSL that isn't > working. Any offers of help are appreciated, > > -- > - Evan > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 4 22:54:04 2010 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 18:54:04 -0400 Subject: Anyone here good with XSLT? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK, here goes. I have a stylesheet: Starting root Ending root Doing head body and an input file:

Hello World

Goodbye World

When I process this I would expect to see the messages from the "head" and "body" templates be executed (and the message showing). But they don't. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? Thanks! - Evan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 4 23:40:28 2010 From: el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 19:40:28 -0400 Subject: Anyone here good with XSLT? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Slight modifications: I'm using xsltproc, which apparently only understands XSLT 1.0, so at the head of the stylesheet: When I invoke xsltproc with "--html", it complains bitterly. So I turn the input HTML into XHTML:

Hello World

Goodbye World

This ain't quite right, but is getting there. Turns out nothing was processing ----------------------------------------------------------------- Starting root Ending root Doing html Doing head body Element in namespace ' ' encountered in , but no template matches. -------------------------------------- $ xsltproc -o test-out.html test.xsl test.html Doing html Doing head body --------------------------------------------- Hope this generates further questions of a different nature... Cheers, Mike On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > OK, here goes. I have a stylesheet: > > version="2.0"> > > > > ??????? Starting root > ??????? > ??????? Ending root > ??????? > > > ??????? Doing head > ??????? > > > ??????? body > ??????? > > > > > and an input file: > > > > ???????

Hello World

> > > ???????

Goodbye World

> > > > When I process this I would expect to see the messages from the "head" and > "body" templates be executed (and the message showing). But they don't. Any > idea what I'm doing wrong? > > Thanks! > > - Evan > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 4 23:44:49 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 19:44:49 -0400 Subject: Anyone here good with XSLT? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C59FB71.9050709@gmail.com> On 10-08-04 06:54 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > OK, here goes. I have a stylesheet: > > version="2.0"> > > > > Starting root > > Ending root > > > > Doing head > > > > body > > > > > > and an input file: > > > >

Hello World

> > >

Goodbye World

> > > > When I process this I would expect to see the messages from the "head" > and "body" templates be executed (and the message showing). But they > don't. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? > > Thanks! > > - Evan > This might help http://www.w3schools.com/xsl/xsl_transformation.asp I just noticed 2 obvious things a) I know you can't put

Hello World

in the head section, your html is incorrect b) where are you including your xsl sheet in your xml doc? I suggest you do that example above to get an idea of how to transform a xml doc to an xhtml doc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 01:28:14 2010 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 21:28:14 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: (D. Hugh Redelmeier's message of "Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:48:54 -0400 (EDT)") References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> <87sk2ve3ps.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <878w4lyhjl.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> "D. Hugh Redelmeier" a ?crit profondement: | | From: Slack Rat > | | But Rogers have a free wifi which admittedly is slow, but at least it's | | free so I'm thinking of dropping Teksavvy > | What do you mean by "have a free wifi"? Whois 99.232.78.156 > | Are | they offering subscribers free access to WiFi hotspots around town? I have no idea what they are doing elsewhere, but I can get free wifi - scan for WLAN -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 02:08:20 2010 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:08:20 -0400 Subject: Anyone here good with XSLT? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201008042208.20660.amarjan@pobox.com> On August 4, 2010 06:54:04 pm Evan Leibovitch wrote: > and an input file: > > ... And all your tags are now in the XHTML namespace, not the default namespace. remove the xmlns declaration and your stylsheet works. You need to tell the stylesheet about the namespace by declaring it at the top and giving it an "alias" (forgot the XML terminology), then matching with that alias: Starting root Ending root Doing head body -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 02:09:46 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 22:09:46 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <878w4lyhjl.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK+fHhOEst38E2irXDjt672IAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> <87sk2ve3ps.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <878w4lyhjl.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <4C5A1D6A.90405@rogers.com> Slack Rat wrote: > I have no idea what they are doing elsewhere, but I can get free wifi - > scan for WLAN > Perhaps one of your neighbours has unencrypted WiFi. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 02:33:06 2010 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 22:33:06 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <4C5A1D6A.90405-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> (James Knott's message of "Wed, 04 Aug 2010 22:09:46 -0400") References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> <87sk2ve3ps.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <878w4lyhjl.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <4C5A1D6A.90405@rogers.com> Message-ID: <874of9yejh.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> James Knott a ?crit profondement: | Slack Rat wrote: | > I have no idea what they are doing elsewhere, but I can get free wifi - | > scan for WLAN | > | Perhaps one of your neighbours has unencrypted WiFi. Perhaps, but I'm of the opinion that it's a direct connection to Rogers It's weak, but gives around 2.0 down and 0.5 up wlan0 Scan completed : .. Cell 06 - Address: 00:22:2D:1E:13:7B ESSID:"WLAN" Mode:Master Channel:11 Frequency:2.462 GHz (Channel 11) Quality=46/100 Signal level:-82 dBm Encryption key:off IE: Unknown: 0004574C414E IE: Unknown: 010582848B962C IE: Unknown: 03010B IE: Unknown: 2A0103 IE: Unknown: 32080C1218243048606C Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 22 Mb/s 6 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s 36 Mb/s; 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s Extra:tsf=000000736cdc7a05 Extra: Last beacon: 79ms ago -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 02:36:27 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:36:27 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <878w4lyhjl.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK+fHhOEst38E2irXDjt672IAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> <87sk2ve3ps.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <878w4lyhjl.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Slack Rat wrote: > "D. Hugh Redelmeier" a ?crit profondement: > > | | From: Slack Rat >> > | | But Rogers have a free wifi which admittedly is slow, but at least it's > | | free so I'm thinking of dropping Teksavvy >> > | What do you mean by "have a free wifi"? > > > Whois ?99.232.78.156 > >> > | Are > | they offering subscribers free access to WiFi hotspots around town? > > I have no idea what they are doing elsewhere, but I can get free wifi - > scan for WLAN If you're just scanning for other people's routers to find ones that haven't been secured, then you're essentially 'leeching' off others that are paying for service. You can't expect that to happen consistently, and there's got to be *someone* that's paying $50-odd-something per month. It's not "free access" - it's full priced access where you just happen not to be the one that is paying that price. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 02:52:36 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:52:36 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <874of9yejh.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK+fHhOEst38E2irXDjt672IAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> <87sk2ve3ps.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <878w4lyhjl.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <4C5A1D6A.90405@rogers.com> <874of9yejh.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <20100805025236.GA31596@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 10:33:06PM -0400, Slack Rat wrote: > James Knott a ?crit profondement: > > | Slack Rat wrote: > | > I have no idea what they are doing elsewhere, but I can get free wifi - > | > scan for WLAN > | > > | Perhaps one of your neighbours has unencrypted WiFi. > > Perhaps, but I'm of the opinion that it's a direct connection to Rogers > > It's weak, but gives around 2.0 down and 0.5 up > > wlan0 Scan completed : > .. > Cell 06 - Address: 00:22:2D:1E:13:7B > ESSID:"WLAN" Judging by ESSID, that's your very trusting neighbour. :-) -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 02:56:57 2010 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 22:56:57 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: (Christopher Browne's message of "Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:36:27 -0400") References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> <87sk2ve3ps.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <878w4lyhjl.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <87zkx1wyva.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Christopher Browne a ?crit profondement: | If you're just scanning for other people's routers to find ones that | haven't been secured, Nope, wasn't Was just checking on my own ad-hoc -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 03:05:33 2010 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 23:05:33 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <20100805025236.GA31596-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> (William Park's message of "Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:52:36 -0400") References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> <87sk2ve3ps.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <878w4lyhjl.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <4C5A1D6A.90405@rogers.com> <874of9yejh.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <20100805025236.GA31596@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <87vd7pwygy.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> William Park a ?crit profondement: | > Cell 06 - Address: 00:22:2D:1E:13:7B | > ESSID:"WLAN" > | Judging by ESSID, that's your very trusting neighbour. :-) Well in actual fact I'm using teksavvy and the neighbour isn't very close as the signal is very weak -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 14:38:11 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <878w4lyhjl.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK+fHhOEst38E2irXDjt672IAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> <87sk2ve3ps.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <878w4lyhjl.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Message-ID: | From: Slack Rat | Whois 99.232.78.156 Rogers Cable Inc. BLOOR HSI (NET-99-232-78-0-1) 99.232.78.0 - 99.232.79.255 Rogers Cable Communications Inc. ROGERS-CAB-99 (NET-99-224-0-0-1) 99.224.0.0 - 99.255.255.255 Where did you pull that IP address from? I assumed that you got it from the wireless connection in some fashion. Can you explain that more precisely? That IP address is one in a large range (a /15) belonging to Rogers. The naming of the /23 subnet suggests that it is assigned to a node near Bloor Street. What's odd about this is that I'd have expected a wireless router's wireless port to have a non-Rogers address. Usually it is a non-routable address from RFC 1918 like 192.168.1.100. Slack Rat: are you sure that the IP address your computer sees is 99.232.78.156? Those are usually used for the cable side of a cable customer's NAPTing router (if any). If the cable customer has only one device, then a router isn't needed and that device can have that single IP address. That isn't normally the case with a wireless router of access point. I guess that a wireless access point could be deployed as a bridge but that would require that there be only one wireless device talking to it. In that case, the wireless device would see the upstream router's IP address as the next hop, and I think that on Rogers, those IP addresses usually end in .1 (99.232.78.156 does not end in .1). (I've heard that Rogers will let you get two IP addresses, for a fee. In that case, two devices can be attached to their modems without a NAPTing router.) $ host 99.232.78.156 156.78.232.99.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer CPE00222d1e137d-CM00222d1e1379.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com. >From this, I can tell that the MAC address (generally wired into the hardware when manufactured, but can be spoofed) was assigned to SMC Networks Inc. They make a lot of networking equipment for consumers. So: it looks to me as if your neighour has an SMC wireless router. But I don't think 99.232.78.156 would be the IP address on the wireless port (the Slack Rat facing port). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 19:07:11 2010 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:07:11 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: (D. Hugh Redelmeier's message of "Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:38:11 -0400 (EDT)") References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> <87sk2ve3ps.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <878w4lyhjl.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <8739us515s.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> "D. Hugh Redelmeier" a ?crit profondement: | | From: Slack Rat > | | Whois 99.232.78.156 > | Rogers Cable Inc. BLOOR HSI (NET-99-232-78-0-1) 99.232.78.0 - 99.232.79.255 | Rogers Cable Communications Inc. ROGERS-CAB-99 (NET-99-224-0-0-1) 99.224.0.0 - 99.255.255.255 > | Where did you pull that IP address from? I assumed that you got it | from the wireless connection in some fashion. Can you explain that | more precisely? I just used No-Ip's "What's my IP" utility and then "whois'd" the result. My LANIP is 192.168.0.95 and 192.168.0.1 handles DHCP and DNS in addition to being the gateWay >From my teksavvy connected server, 99.232.78.156 is pingable but a traceroute dies in Rogers after 6 hops 1 206.248.154.104 (206.248.154.104) 10.092 ms 54.633 ms 59.245 ms 2 2120.ae0.bdr01.tor.packetflow.ca (69.196.136.66) 35.941 ms 9.464 ms * 3 gw-rogers.torontointernetxchange.net (198.32.245.29) 10.083 ms 36.812 ms 23.852 ms 4 so-1-2-0.gw02.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com (64.71.240.54) 61.551 ms 9.780 ms 21.137 ms 5 69.63.248.238 (69.63.248.238) 24.886 ms 22.812 ms 10.113 ms 6 66.185.89.130 (66.185.89.130) 11.336 ms 13.441 ms 35.456 ms 7 * * * > | That IP address is one in a large range (a /15) belonging to Rogers. | The naming of the /23 subnet suggests that it is assigned to a node | near Bloor Street. > | What's odd about this is that I'd have expected a wireless router's | wireless port to have a non-Rogers address. Usually it is a | non-routable address from RFC 1918 like 192.168.1.100. > | Slack Rat: are you sure that the IP address your computer sees is | 99.232.78.156? Those are usually used for the cable side of a cable | customer's NAPTing router (if any). > | If the cable customer has only one device, then a router isn't needed | and that device can have that single IP address. That isn't normally | the case with a wireless router of access point. > | I guess that a wireless access point could be deployed as a bridge but | that would require that there be only one wireless device talking to | it. In that case, the wireless device would see the upstream router's | IP address as the next hop, and I think that on Rogers, those IP | addresses usually end in .1 (99.232.78.156 does not end in .1). > | (I've heard that Rogers will let you get two IP addresses, for a fee. | In that case, two devices can be attached to their modems without a | NAPTing router.) > | $ host 99.232.78.156 | 156.78.232.99.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer CPE00222d1e137d-CM00222d1e1379.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com. > | >From this, I can tell that the MAC address (generally wired into the | hardware when manufactured, but can be spoofed) was assigned to SMC | Networks Inc. They make a lot of networking equipment for consumers. > | So: it looks to me as if your neighour has an SMC wireless router. | But I don't think 99.232.78.156 would be the IP address on the | wireless port (the Slack Rat facing port). Interesting if somewhat over my head. As I mentioned in another post in this thread, I was checking on my own server-->lappy ad-hoc when the WLAN essid showed up. And being dissatisfied with Teksavvy, I shall be dropping them at the end of this month and trying Zazeen, as I need at least 5.0 up. (https://www.zazeen.com/OnlinePC.html) and I was on the lookout for a cheap connection to ssh into Zazeen and wondered if WLAN was in fact directly Rogers. In any instance, there's a Coin Laundry just around the corner open 0600-2200 which has a decent free wifi. -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 19:30:54 2010 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:30:54 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <8739us515s.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK+fHhOEst38E2irXDjt672IAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> (Slack Rat's message of "Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:07:11 -0400") References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> <87sk2ve3ps.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <878w4lyhjl.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <8739us515s.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <87y6ck3lht.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Slack Rat a ?crit profondement: | "D. Hugh Redelmeier" a ?crit profondement: > | | Slack Rat: are you sure that the IP address your computer sees is | | 99.232.78.156? Those are usually used for the cable side of a cable | | customer's NAPTing router (if any). Hugh: Bringing up one of my websites from the Lappy and scanning the log, it reports the visitor as 99.232.78.156 so I believe that's the WANIP that WLAN is giving me. -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 20:36:02 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 16:36:02 -0400 Subject: Random Freezes With Fedora 12 and 13 on i5-750 System - Solution Message-ID: <4C5B20B2.8030005@dinamis.com> Hello, Ever since February, any of the Fedora 12 kernels have caused random freezes with the system I'm currently using, which has an Asus P755D motherboard (with the latest BIOS), i5-750 CPU, 8GB of DDR3 RAM, and an nVidia 9600GTS (the "s" is for silent - it has no fan). The machine could run anywhere from a few minutes to an hour and eventually, the keyboard and mouse would become unresponsive. The caps or num lock keys had no effect but I could ssh into the machine and do an init 6. I ignored the problem by sticking with the old kernel that worked. I just added a few more drives to this machine and figured that as long as I was at it, I might as well install Fedora 13. Even the live CD had the same freezing problem as I had with the newer Fedora 12 kernels so I rebooted and passed the "noapic" parameter to the kernel. The live CD worked long enough that I could install onto the new drives. However, it didn't take long after rebooting from the new drive that the same problem occurred. That started a series of trial-and-error runs where I passed "acpi=off" and "noapictimer", one at a time, and waited for the machine to lock up, or not. Neither helped. There was nothing unusual in syslog or dmesg. The KDE clock was still incrementing seconds and on one of the lockups, I was using rsync to copy files from the old drive to the new one and even though I had no keyboard or mouse control, konsole was still being updated and I could see and hear disk activity. I let rsync finish and rebooted. This time, I tried installing the nVidia binary driver and managed to get the machine into an unbootable state. Since I had little invested in this installation, it was just as easy to reinstall and install the binary driver right away. This time, the driver installed fine but again, the machine locked up after running about 40 minutes. The big clue came when I was typing a response to an email and after I typed the letter "e", it was as if I was holding the key down even though I wasn't. (No, the key wasn't stuck.) I have an IBM PS/2 keyboard and a proper three button Logitech PS/2 mouse. I plugged in a USB keyboard into the machine and the keyboard was working. I have a PS/2 to USB keyboard/mouse adapter so I unplugged the PS/2 keyboard and mouse, plugged them into the adapter, and plugged the adapter into a USB port. I'm typing on the same IBM keyboard that was plugged into the PS/2 port when the freeze happened and I haven't rebooted. Crazy, isn't it? -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 20:59:22 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 16:59:22 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <8739us515s.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK+fHhOEst38E2irXDjt672IAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> <87sk2ve3ps.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <878w4lyhjl.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <8739us515s.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <4C5B262A.9060806@rogers.com> Slack Rat wrote: > My LANIP is 192.168.0.95 > and 192.168.0.1 handles DHCP and DNS in addition to being the gateWay > > That proves what we've been telling you. Someone in your neighbourhood has open WiFi and you're "borrowing" their connection. Those cheap WiFi routers often come with basic configurations that leave the WiFi on and wide open. The people who buy them simply plug them in and don't worry about security. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 21:01:01 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:01:01 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <87y6ck3lht.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK+fHhOEst38E2irXDjt672IAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> <87sk2ve3ps.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <878w4lyhjl.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <8739us515s.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <87y6ck3lht.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <4C5B268D.6030608@rogers.com> Slack Rat wrote: > Slack Rat a ?crit profondement: > > | "D. Hugh Redelmeier" a ?crit profondement: > >> > | | Slack Rat: are you sure that the IP address your computer sees is > | | 99.232.78.156? Those are usually used for the cable side of a cable > | | customer's NAPTing router (if any). > > Hugh: Bringing up one of my websites from the Lappy and scanning the > log, it reports the visitor as 99.232.78.156 so I believe that's the > WANIP that WLAN is giving me. > > That's completely normal, when you're passing through a NAT router, as those consumer boxes are. You get one IP address from the ISP and use NAT to pretend multiple computers are just one. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 21:08:25 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 14:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: <8739us515s.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK+fHhOEst38E2irXDjt672IAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <22c9eb871c98663b2fad094c52576a02@teksavvy.com> <20100803202248.GB7034@watson-wilon.ca> <4C587DEA.3010707@utoronto.ca> <87sk2ve3ps.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <878w4lyhjl.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> <8739us515s.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <955303.95747.qm@web110802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > And being dissatisfied with Teksavvy, I shall be dropping them at the > end of this month and trying Zazeen, as I need at least 5.0 up. > (https://www.zazeen.com/OnlinePC.html) and I was on the lookout for a > cheap connection to ssh into Zazeen and wondered if WLAN was in fact > directly Rogers. Let us know how Zazeen goes. For a while, I thought it's scam. Then, I realized you're getting an account with one of their PCs which are sitting on some internet backbone. On top of that, you still need internet access to get to them. I guess upload speed is one feature that others don't have. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 21:30:11 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 17:30:11 -0400 Subject: XSS documented Message-ID: Afternoon http://blogs.apache.org/infra/entry/apache_org_04_09_2010 You guys might be interested reading about an attack against Apache last April. I just saw it and kind of felt it was interesting.. A couple of things come up as a bad idea: - Do not use the root password for web services. - Tinyurl is evil Is anybody here using one time passwords by any chance? How have you implemented them? William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 23:12:42 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:12:42 -0400 Subject: Random Freezes With Fedora 12 and 13 on i5-750 System - Solution In-Reply-To: <4C5B20B2.8030005-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5B20B2.8030005@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20100805231242.GA4902@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 04:36:02PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Hello, > > Ever since February, any of the Fedora 12 kernels have caused random > freezes with the system I'm currently using, which has an Asus P755D > motherboard (with the latest BIOS), i5-750 CPU, 8GB of DDR3 RAM, and an > nVidia 9600GTS (the "s" is for silent - it has no fan). The machine > could run anywhere from a few minutes to an hour and eventually, the > keyboard and mouse would become unresponsive. The caps or num lock keys > had no effect but I could ssh into the machine and do an init 6. I > ignored the problem by sticking with the old kernel that worked. > > I just added a few more drives to this machine and figured that as long > as I was at it, I might as well install Fedora 13. Even the live CD had > the same freezing problem as I had with the newer Fedora 12 kernels so I > rebooted and passed the "noapic" parameter to the kernel. The live CD > worked long enough that I could install onto the new drives. However, it > didn't take long after rebooting from the new drive that the same > problem occurred. > > That started a series of trial-and-error runs where I passed "acpi=off" > and "noapictimer", one at a time, and waited for the machine to lock up, > or not. Neither helped. There was nothing unusual in syslog or dmesg. > The KDE clock was still incrementing seconds and on one of the lockups, > I was using rsync to copy files from the old drive to the new one and > even though I had no keyboard or mouse control, konsole was still being > updated and I could see and hear disk activity. I let rsync finish and > rebooted. > > This time, I tried installing the nVidia binary driver and managed to > get the machine into an unbootable state. Since I had little invested in > this installation, it was just as easy to reinstall and install the > binary driver right away. This time, the driver installed fine but > again, the machine locked up after running about 40 minutes. > > The big clue came when I was typing a response to an email and after I > typed the letter "e", it was as if I was holding the key down even > though I wasn't. (No, the key wasn't stuck.) I have an IBM PS/2 keyboard > and a proper three button Logitech PS/2 mouse. I plugged in a USB > keyboard into the machine and the keyboard was working. I have a PS/2 to > USB keyboard/mouse adapter so I unplugged the PS/2 keyboard and mouse, > plugged them into the adapter, and plugged the adapter into a USB port. > I'm typing on the same IBM keyboard that was plugged into the PS/2 port > when the freeze happened and I haven't rebooted. Crazy, isn't it? > -- What happens if you plug another PS/2 keyboard/mouse? -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 23:37:14 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:37:14 -0400 Subject: Random Freezes With Fedora 12 and 13 on i5-750 System - Solution In-Reply-To: <4C5B20B2.8030005-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5B20B2.8030005@dinamis.com> Message-ID: I had a computer that was flakey when it came to PS/2 devices as well. It may have been the computer, or the controller, but when I played various games it was constantly jerky and would have sound "hiccups", etc. I checked for CPU spikes, swapped video cards, etc, and had no luck. One day I noticed that it seemed to happen when I was holding a key, like SHIFT or ALT. So I swapped to a USB keyboard which - lo and behold - solved the issue. On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:36 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Hello, > > Ever since February, any of the Fedora 12 kernels have caused random freezes > with the system I'm currently using, which has an Asus P755D motherboard > (with the latest BIOS), i5-750 CPU, 8GB of DDR3 RAM, and an nVidia 9600GTS > (the "s" is for silent - it has no fan). The machine could run anywhere from > a few minutes to an hour and eventually, the keyboard and mouse would become > unresponsive. The caps or num lock keys had no effect but I could ssh into > the machine and do an init 6. I ignored the problem by sticking with the old > kernel that worked. > > I just added a few more drives to this machine and figured that as long as I > was at it, I might as well install Fedora 13. Even the live CD had the same > freezing problem as I had with the newer Fedora 12 kernels so I rebooted and > passed the "noapic" parameter to the kernel. The live CD worked long enough > that I could install onto the new drives. However, it didn't take long after > rebooting from the new drive that the same problem occurred. > > That started a series of trial-and-error runs where I passed "acpi=off" and > "noapictimer", one at a time, and waited for the machine to lock up, or not. > Neither helped. There was nothing unusual in syslog or dmesg. The KDE clock > was still incrementing seconds and on one of the lockups, I was using rsync > to copy files from the old drive to the new one and even though I had no > keyboard or mouse control, konsole was still being updated and I could see > and hear disk activity. I let rsync finish and rebooted. > > This time, I tried installing the nVidia binary driver and managed to get > the machine into an unbootable state. Since I had little invested in this > installation, it was just as easy to reinstall and install the binary driver > right away. This time, the driver installed fine but again, the machine > locked up after running about 40 minutes. > > The big clue came when I was typing a response to an email and after I typed > the letter "e", it was as if I was holding the key down even though I > wasn't. (No, the key wasn't stuck.) I have an IBM PS/2 keyboard and a proper > three button Logitech PS/2 mouse. I plugged in a USB keyboard into the > machine and the keyboard was working. I have a PS/2 to USB keyboard/mouse > adapter so I unplugged the PS/2 keyboard and mouse, plugged them into the > adapter, and plugged the adapter into a USB port. I'm typing on the same IBM > keyboard that was plugged into the PS/2 port when the freeze happened and I > haven't rebooted. Crazy, isn't it? > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis > 1419-3266 Yonge St. > Toronto, ON > Canada ?M4N 3P6 > > > +1 416-410-3326 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA ?It can takes months to gain a customer, but only seconds to lose one" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 23:38:36 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 19:38:36 -0400 Subject: network card/driver not loading Message-ID: <4C5B4B7C.9020300@gmail.com> guys i put my kubuntu to sleep on ram, then i hit the power and proceeded to do a hard power off holding down the power button, not good, i know =P i realized i was very late for work ... anyways when i boot-up now i don't got any network, doing an ifconfig i don't see eth0 which explains why no network how can i fix this? i tried: sudo ifup eth0, but i get back 'ignoring unknown interface' regards, Rajinder -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 5 23:58:18 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 19:58:18 -0400 Subject: Random Freezes With Fedora 12 and 13 on i5-750 System - Solution In-Reply-To: References: <4C5B20B2.8030005@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <4C5B501A.7020304@dinamis.com> On 08/05/2010 07:37 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > I had a computer that was flakey when it came to PS/2 devices as well. > It may have been the computer, or the controller, but when I played > various games it was constantly jerky and would have sound "hiccups", > etc. > I checked for CPU spikes, swapped video cards, etc, and had no luck. > > One day I noticed that it seemed to happen when I was holding a key, > like SHIFT or ALT. So I swapped to a USB keyboard which - lo and > behold - solved the issue. It works fine with an older Fedora 12 kernel. It also worked fine with a Debian Lenny stable kernel. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 6 00:03:22 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 20:03:22 -0400 Subject: password managers Message-ID: Hi Guys, What do you recommend for password managers? -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 6 00:06:43 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 20:06:43 -0400 Subject: password managers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C5B5213.6060405@dinamis.com> On 08/05/2010 08:03 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi Guys, > > What do you recommend for password managers? I use kwallet in KDE, though I don't put any passwords that are really sensitive into it. I have no idea how secure it is. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 6 01:20:51 2010 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 21:20:51 -0400 Subject: password managers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100806012051.GB8170@watson-wilon.ca> I just use gpg to encrypt a text file. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 6 02:29:49 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 22:29:49 -0400 Subject: password managers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi Guys, > What do you recommend for password managers? For a long time, I used "GNU Keyring," an open source PalmOS-based app, which would happily sync with the X-based "JPilot" (which I *long* used, happily, as the analogue to Palm Desktop). When the Palm Treo died [sob!], this wasn't suitable for the Android-based phone I got as replacement. The "open-ish" options that are comparatively multi-platform these days are: a) Password Safe - the original was written by Bruce Schneier, known for Blowfish and Twofish crypto algorithms - There are various ports and compatible rewrites. - Alas, none that are particularly nice on Android. - Pretty viable on Maemo (e.g. - the Nokia Linux devices) b) KeePass - Primarily a KDE-based password manager - There's a seeming decent port to Android that both reads and writes password files I'm using KeePass these days. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 6 03:35:30 2010 From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 23:35:30 -0400 Subject: password managers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C5B8302.3030308@aquezada.com> On 08/05/2010 08:03 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > What do you recommend for password managers? I highly recommend Password Gorilla. It's simple and cross platform: clients are available for MacOS, Windows, Linux, and basically anything else on which Tcl/Tk runs. - Julian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 6 12:54:35 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 08:54:35 -0400 Subject: G20 security cameras In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 15:08, William Muriithi wrote: > > Anybody know if they were ever removed? > > William The camera at Gerrard/Yonge is still there, I knew that one wouldn't be taken down, if you look east on Gerrard you have Covenant House, and look south east on Yonge you have the Evergreen; they are keeping the camera there to watch the street kids. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 6 13:36:29 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:36:29 -0400 Subject: A MythTV building workshop? Message-ID: FreeGeek is a group that collects up old corporate computers refurbishes them and redeploys them. Last evening I was out at the FreeGeek warehouse space near Keele St. and Dundas St. W. doing an introductory talk on Ubuntu (basically a re-hash of some of my other talks). At the end of the talk I wondered aloud what to do in future and I asked if there was any interest in doing a MythTV building workshop... A few of the folks at FreeGeek expressed an interest, and I gather that getting the classroom space at FreeGeek is not an issue on Thursday evenings... So, would there be an interest in doing a MythTV building workshop some Thursday evening at some point in the next few weeks among GTALug folks and/or the GTA MythTV list folks? If so, what Thursday? Things I could easily bring to the event: - MythTV compatible analog TV card(s) - Rabbit ear TV antenna (ie: a TV signal source good enough for demo purposes) - Mythbuntu 10.4 install disk(s) Things that available at FreeGeek that we could almost certainly borrow: - Internet connection - Video projector - old PC(s) (P4 2.4 MHz) Thoughts? Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 6 15:12:52 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:12:52 -0400 Subject: password managers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Someone mentioned KeePass but I thought it was only for windows but it has a variety of platforms. Its great. I think thats what I'm going to use especially since there is an android port to it. You can copy the database files to your android device. Can these database files be hacked? On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Dave Germiquet > wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > What do you recommend for password managers? > > For a long time, I used "GNU Keyring," an open source PalmOS-based > app, which would happily sync with the X-based "JPilot" (which I > *long* used, happily, as the analogue to Palm Desktop). > > When the Palm Treo died [sob!], this wasn't suitable for the > Android-based phone I got as replacement. > > The "open-ish" options that are comparatively multi-platform these days > are: > a) Password Safe > - the original was written by Bruce Schneier, known for Blowfish and > Twofish crypto algorithms > - There are various ports and compatible rewrites. > - Alas, none that are particularly nice on Android. > - Pretty viable on Maemo (e.g. - the Nokia Linux devices) > > b) KeePass > - Primarily a KDE-based password manager > - There's a seeming decent port to Android that both reads and writes > password files > > I'm using KeePass these days. > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 6 15:14:36 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:14:36 -0400 Subject: Power draw of power supply. 700watt vs 1000 watt, etc In-Reply-To: References: <20100626211728.79af7b55.tleslie@tcn.net> <4C276A30.5000701@gmail.com> <4C279432.7040505@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <4C5C26DC.2040603@ve3syb.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I imagine (but do not know) that the CO2 cost of manufacturing a CFL > bulb is higher than the CO2 cost of manufacturing the equivalent > number of ordinary incandescent bulbs (3? 5?). > > If this is the case, replacing incandescent bulbs in low-use locations > is dumb. Certainly it is echonomically dumb. I've never seen CFL's sold based on their CO2 cost. Its always been about about how much electricity the user of the bulbs is supposed to save (which means a lower hydro bills) over the life of a CFL vs. an incandescent. Now there is some talk that the "naked" CFL's (the ones where the coil of the bulb is not inside any protected shell) can be putting out some form of light that can be harmful if you are near the build and exposed to the light from the CFL for long durations at a time. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 6 16:07:19 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:07:19 -0400 Subject: Power draw of power supply. 700watt vs 1000 watt, etc In-Reply-To: <4C5C26DC.2040603-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20100626211728.79af7b55.tleslie@tcn.net> <4C276A30.5000701@gmail.com> <4C279432.7040505@teksavvy.com> <4C5C26DC.2040603@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <4C5C3337.2060308@rogers.com> Kevin Cozens wrote: > D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> I imagine (but do not know) that the CO2 cost of manufacturing a CFL >> bulb is higher than the CO2 cost of manufacturing the equivalent >> number of ordinary incandescent bulbs (3? 5?). >> >> If this is the case, replacing incandescent bulbs in low-use locations >> is dumb. Certainly it is echonomically dumb. > > I've never seen CFL's sold based on their CO2 cost. Its always been > about about how much electricity the user of the bulbs is supposed to > save (which means a lower hydro bills) over the life of a CFL vs. an > incandescent. > > Now there is some talk that the "naked" CFL's (the ones where the coil > of the bulb is not inside any protected shell) can be putting out some > form of light that can be harmful if you are near the build and > exposed to the light from the CFL for long durations at a time. > All fluorescent lamps generate ultra-violet light, which in turn excites the phosphors coating the inside of the tube. I don't know whether the UV used is ionizing or not. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 6 16:25:57 2010 From: ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Ijaaz A. Ullah) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:25:57 -0400 Subject: password managers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> What do you recommend for password managers? > b) KeePass > ?- Primarily a KDE-based password manager > ?- There's a seeming decent port to Android that both reads and writes > password files I'll second KeePass, really great product -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 6 17:17:30 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 13:17:30 -0400 Subject: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100806171730.GA3823@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 09:36:29AM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > FreeGeek is a group that collects up old corporate computers > refurbishes them and redeploys them. Last evening I was out at the > FreeGeek warehouse space near Keele St. and Dundas St. W. doing an > introductory talk on Ubuntu (basically a re-hash of some of my other > talks). At the end of the talk I wondered aloud what to do in future > and I asked if there was any interest in doing a MythTV building > workshop... A few of the folks at FreeGeek expressed an interest, and > I gather that getting the classroom space at FreeGeek is not an issue > on Thursday evenings... > > So, would there be an interest in doing a MythTV building workshop > some Thursday evening at some point in the next few weeks among GTALug > folks and/or the GTA MythTV list folks? If so, what Thursday? Things I > could easily bring to the event: > > - MythTV compatible analog TV card(s) > - Rabbit ear TV antenna (ie: a TV signal source good enough for demo purposes) > - Mythbuntu 10.4 install disk(s) > > Things that available at FreeGeek that we could almost certainly borrow: > > - Internet connection > - Video projector > - old PC(s) (P4 2.4 MHz) > > Thoughts? I'd interested. How's the parking? -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 6 18:10:46 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:10:46 -0400 Subject: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: <20100806171730.GA3823-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100806171730.GA3823@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:17 PM, William Park wrote: > On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 09:36:29AM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: >> FreeGeek is a group that collects up old corporate computers >> refurbishes them and redeploys them. Last evening I was out at the >> FreeGeek warehouse space near Keele St. and Dundas St. W. doing an >> introductory talk on Ubuntu (basically a re-hash of some of my other >> talks). At the end of the talk I wondered aloud what to do in future >> and I asked if there was any interest in doing a MythTV building >> workshop... A few of the folks at FreeGeek expressed an interest, and >> I gather that getting the classroom space at FreeGeek is not an issue >> on Thursday evenings... >> >> So, would there be an interest in doing a MythTV building workshop >> some Thursday evening at some point in the next few weeks among GTALug >> folks and/or the GTA MythTV list folks? If so, what Thursday? Things I >> could easily bring to the event: >> >> - MythTV compatible analog TV card(s) >> - Rabbit ear TV antenna (ie: a TV signal source good enough for demo purposes) >> - Mythbuntu 10.4 install disk(s) >> >> Things that are available at FreeGeek that we could almost certainly borrow: >> >> - Internet connection >> - Video projector >> - old PC(s) (P4 2.4 MHz) >> >> Thoughts? > > I'd interested. ?How's the parking? Very good. There is a (free) gravel covered parking lot beside the FreeGeek warehouse. Because of the way the entrance is set-up, you could have trouble getting in with an 18 wheel truck, but cars / mini-vans / pick-up trucks shouldn't have any problems... Colin. > -- > William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 6 18:55:35 2010 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:55:35 -0400 Subject: Anyone here good with XSLT? In-Reply-To: <201008042208.20660.amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <201008042208.20660.amarjan@pobox.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the help; these suggestions appear to be more than enough to get me on my way. I just wish this had been documented somewhere. I've been working with two different XSLT books: -- Mastering XML Transformations by Doug Tidwell -- XSLT 2.0 and XPath 2.0 (4th ed) by Michael Kay Neither seems to have any details describing the methods you mention. Thanks again!! - Evan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 6 18:56:29 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:56:29 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: <4C5C3E92.9020704-Q6Ug6qEURudg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5C3E92.9020704@mandamus.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:55 PM, R. G. Newbury wrote: > On 08/06/2010 09:36 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: >> >> FreeGeek is a group that collects up old corporate computers >> refurbishes them and redeploys them. Last evening I was out at the >> FreeGeek warehouse space near Keele St. and Dundas St. W. doing an >> introductory talk on Ubuntu (basically a re-hash of some of my other >> talks). At the end of the talk I wondered aloud what to do in future >> and I asked if there was any interest in doing a MythTV building >> workshop... A few of the folks at FreeGeek expressed an interest, and >> I gather that getting the classroom space at FreeGeek is not an issue >> on Thursday evenings... >> >> So, would there be an interest in doing a MythTV building workshop >> some Thursday evening at some point in the next few weeks among GTALug >> folks and/or the GTA MythTV list folks? If so, what Thursday? Things I >> could easily bring to the event: >> >> - MythTV compatible analog TV card(s) >> - Rabbit ear TV antenna (ie: a TV signal source good enough for demo >> purposes) >> - Mythbuntu 10.4 install disk(s) >> >> Things that are available at FreeGeek that we could almost certainly borrow: >> >> - Internet connection >> - Video projector >> - old PC(s) (P4 2.4 MHz) >> >> Thoughts? > > Sounds like a good idea. Would also be useful to do the same (maybe in > parallel) with Mythdora. There arr differences between Ubuntu based and > Fedora based distros that can be highlighted plus some discussion of apt-get > v yum setups. And dependency resolution for when things go wrong. (What? > Something go wrong? What could go wrong?) Part of my thinking in this is driven by what is/isn't at the FreeGeek site. FreeGeek has settled on Ubuntu as their default Linux platform, so at least in theory everyone at FreeGeek is exposed to Ubuntu (in practice it doesn't seem to be that simple ...). Still making the transition from Ubuntu to Mythbuntu seems an easier road than to Mythdora... Still very worth mentioning Mythdora and LinHES as options... > And I would add, at a minimum, if you can get one, an ATSC based tuner > preferably USB style (Hauppauge HVR-950 would be good) and maybe the loan of > an HDHomeRun. You might need an RF amp and some splitters, plus some coax > cables. And amp and speakers....Some really good HD on a separate drive > (/video!) and a pre-configured mythconverg db for 'show and tell'. I do have a spare PC (just) fast enough to support ATSC HDTV (an Athlon 64 3200+) but to be blunt I am not keen on hauling it across the city. So, I would be looking at what sort of PC(s) could be borrowed on site, and I gather that Athlon 64 3200+ are not seen. I am bcc:'ing this e-mail to one of the senior folks at FreeGeek so, if I am mistaken on the sort of hardware that might be borrowed at FreeGeek I trust I will hear and I will post a correction. I don't at the moment have a spare ATSC tuner and I have never had a USB tuner of any sort, so that is NOT stuff I could bring to an event... A hard drive with some HDTV video I could bring easily enough to FreeGeek. Other parts, a simple splitter I could come up with, but an RF amp would be an issue. Not sure off hand what I have in the way of coax, I would have to check on that... > I'm presuming that these geeks are reasonably knowledgeable about linux, so > the point is to explain how myth builds on the linux base and why there are > so many choices in the tv side hardware (viz. the recent mythtv list thread > called something like 'I can't get it to work' (or maybe that was Graham > Morrison in Linux Format!) > > August 26th? August 26th has possibilities... Colin. > Geoff > > -- > ? ? ? ? ? ? R. Geoffrey Newbury > > The Holmes Corollary to Murphy's Laws: > Any rule of physics or chemistry to the contrary notwithstanding, if it > happened it *must* be possible. > > > -- > The Myth TV mailing list > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 6 19:11:02 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:11:02 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: References: <4C5C3E92.9020704@mandamus.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:10 PM, aaron wrote: > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:55, R. G. Newbury wrote: >> >> Sounds like a good idea. Would also be useful to do the same (maybe in >> parallel) with Mythdora. There arr differences between Ubuntu based and >> Fedora based distros that can be highlighted plus some discussion of apt-get >> v yum setups. And dependency resolution for when things go wrong. (What? >> Something go wrong? What could go wrong?) > > I build from source on Slackware... is there a workshop for me? ;-) Not yet anyway :-) . > This sounds interesting. I'd like to go but it's far from me so I > might have trouble getting there. Keep us posted when it is and I'll > try to see if I can make it. > >> >> And I would add, at a minimum, if you can get one, an ATSC based tuner >> preferably USB style (Hauppauge HVR-950 would be good) and maybe the loan of >> an HDHomeRun. You might need an RF amp and some splitters, plus some coax >> cables. And amp and speakers....Some really good HD on a separate drive >> (/video!) and a pre-configured mythconverg db for 'show and tell'. > > I feel fairly comfortable with Myth... at least with my own > configuration... but I know I want to upgrade eventually. I'm > capturing from two PVR-250s, outputting via VGA from a GeForce4 440MX > (anyone else remember when that was the "recommended" card for Myth? > :) ). I know things have moved along quite a bit in the six years > since I built my system... Oh, that is dated. When I wrote about MythTV in the fall of 2005 (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8658) the PVR-150 was out and the recommended video card was the GeForce 5200... Yes, you should be looking at some upgrades :-) . Colin. > aaron > -- > The Myth TV mailing list > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 6 20:14:43 2010 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: companies slowly waking up to the value of open source Message-ID: good friend of mine, cheryl mckinnon, and her recent observation on an accenture market survey showing that companies are taking open source increasingly seriously: http://blogs.nuxeo.com/cmckinnon/2010/08/quality-reliability-and-speed-accenture-on-open-source-adoption-trends.html rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Top-notch, inexpensive online Linux/OSS/kernel courses http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 6 21:45:47 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 17:45:47 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: <4C5C7AF7.9090005-Q6Ug6qEURudg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5C3E92.9020704@mandamus.org> <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:13 PM, R. G. Newbury wrote: > On 08/06/2010 03:11 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: >> >> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:10 PM, aaron ?wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:55, R. G. Newbury ?wrote: >>>> >>>> Sounds like a good idea. Would also be useful to do the same (maybe in >>>> parallel) with Mythdora. There arr differences between Ubuntu based and >>>> Fedora based distros that can be highlighted plus some discussion of >>>> apt-get >>>> v yum setups. And dependency resolution for when things go wrong. (What? >>>> Something go wrong? What could go wrong?) >>> >>> I build from source on Slackware... is there a workshop for me? ;-) >> >> Not yet anyway :-) . >> >>> This sounds interesting. I'd like to go but it's far from me so I >>> might have trouble getting there. Keep us posted when it is and I'll >>> try to see if I can make it. >>> >>>> >>>> And I would add, at a minimum, if you can get one, an ATSC based tuner >>>> preferably USB style (Hauppauge HVR-950 would be good) and maybe the >>>> loan of >>>> an HDHomeRun. You might need an RF amp and some splitters, plus some >>>> coax >>>> cables. And amp and speakers....Some really good HD on a separate drive >>>> (/video!) and a pre-configured mythconverg db for 'show and tell'. >>> >>> I feel fairly comfortable with Myth... at least with my own >>> configuration... but I know I want to upgrade eventually. I'm >>> capturing from two PVR-250s, outputting via VGA from a GeForce4 440MX >>> (anyone else remember when that was the "recommended" card for Myth? >>> :) ). I know things have moved along quite a bit in the six years >>> since I built my system... >> >> Oh, that is dated. When I wrote about MythTV in the fall of 2005 >> (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8658) the PVR-150 was out and the >> recommended video card was the GeForce 5200... Yes, you should be >> looking at some upgrades :-) . >> >> Colin. > > I wonder if some of the FreeGeek boxes would be powerful enough if you were > using vdpau (or even xvmc with an intel chipset and recent driver). That can > make an astounding difference. I gather that VDPAU capable video cards were not produced for AGP video card slots. I don't know if FreeGeek gets in any PCI-Express capable machines (I doubt it, but I will ask). Colin. > - > ? ? ? ? ? ? R. Geoffrey Newbury > -- > The Myth TV mailing list > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 7 01:31:00 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 21:31:00 -0400 Subject: network card/driver not loading In-Reply-To: <4C5B4B7C.9020300-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5B4B7C.9020300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C5CB754.8080107@gmail.com> On 10-08-05 07:38 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > guys i put my kubuntu to sleep on ram, then i hit the power and > proceeded to do a hard power off holding down the power button, not > good, i know =P i realized i was very late for work ... anyways when i > boot-up now i don't got any network, doing an ifconfig i don't see > eth0 which explains why no network > > how can i fix this? i tried: sudo ifup eth0, but i get back 'ignoring > unknown interface' > ok I am back online thanks to some support on the ubuntu forum. does anyone know how I can repair "reinstall" the core-ubuntu system packages using synaptic (is there a meta package?), my DVD drive is truly dead so I can't do anything with it right now. i had to reinstall firefox to get it working again, maybe there are other messed up binaries? cheers! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 7 03:06:36 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 23:06:36 -0400 Subject: network card/driver not loading In-Reply-To: <4C5CB754.8080107-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5B4B7C.9020300@gmail.com> <4C5CB754.8080107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C5CCDBC.4080004@gmail.com> On 10-08-06 09:31 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > On 10-08-05 07:38 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> guys i put my kubuntu to sleep on ram, then i hit the power and >> proceeded to do a hard power off holding down the power button, not >> good, i know =P i realized i was very late for work ... anyways when i >> boot-up now i don't got any network, doing an ifconfig i don't see >> eth0 which explains why no network >> >> how can i fix this? i tried: sudo ifup eth0, but i get back 'ignoring >> unknown interface' >> > ok I am back online thanks to some support on the ubuntu forum. > > does anyone know how I can repair "reinstall" the core-ubuntu system > packages using synaptic (is there a meta package?), my DVD drive is > truly dead so I can't do anything with it right now. > > i had to reinstall firefox to get it working again, maybe there are > other messed up binaries? > > cheers! somehow i managed to bring my dvd back to life by opening the box and making sure the cables were tight..with the dvd back, just going to reinstall kubunu, my system is hosed, firefox stops working after each reboot and only work after a reinstall... i don't know what ever is messed up? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 7 03:32:46 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 23:32:46 -0400 Subject: password managers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C5CD3DE.5050105@gmail.com> On 10-08-06 12:25 PM, Ijaaz A. Ullah wrote: > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: >>> Hi Guys, >>> What do you recommend for password managers? > >> b) KeePass >> - Primarily a KDE-based password manager >> - There's a seeming decent port to Android that both reads and writes >> password files > > I'll second KeePass, really great product i just use truecrypt, i actually encrypt my usb flash drive and store all my info there, you could also create a volume on a drive and store you private data there http://www.truecrypt.org i used is on window, but they support linux also i find it easier to cut and paste or edit text file, rather than use some gui password manager -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 9 00:08:04 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 20:08:04 -0400 Subject: systemrescuecd Message-ID: <4C5F46E4.3000707@gmail.com> anyone successfully use systemrescuecd on ext 4 fs? i am getting, 'can't read bitmap block 0' error when trying to save a partition i recall when i was using a ext 3 fs i didn't have this issue -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 9 03:03:35 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 23:03:35 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: References: <4C5C3E92.9020704@mandamus.org> <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Ushnish Sengupta wrote: > Hi > No?PCI-Express capable machines at Free Geek Toronto that I am aware of. Unfortunate, but not a big issue, just means that showing off the tricks a VDPAU card can pull will not be an option using a machine from FreeGeek. What is the fastest machine I could count on being able to borrow at FreeGeek? > Perhaps we could have more of a discussion if we dont have all the available > equipment, or would you rather have the equipment in place and have more of > a demonstration? Thinking out loud here ... ideally I guess I would like to do an install demonstration with Mythbuntu 10.04 (a version of Ubuntu 10.04 tailored for installing MythTV). This would be installed on a box during the evening and during the dead time bits, (while waiting for files to be copied from CD-ROM to hard drive) showing some slides off my laptop (slides with sources / resources for MythTV). I would also like to walk people through getting an account set-up with Schedules Direct (required for North American TV listings). My plan would I think run as follows: Bring the following bits: - Laptop with MythTV related slides - Copies of Mythbuntu 10.04 on CD - MythTV friendly TV tuner card(s) - Rabbit ear style indoor TV antenna - Simple coax splitter and some coax cable What I would hope to borrow for the duration of the evening from FreeGeek: - Video projector - High speed internet connection - PC as fast as possible with 1GB+ of RAM, 40 GB+ of HD space, nVidia graphics card (GeForce 5200 or better), 1+ available PCI card slot(s), Linux supported sound card, Linux supported Ethernet card, keyboard, mouse, monitor, and speakers. People attending would be invited to bring in their own PCs if they would like to follow along doing an install... Cost to those attending the talk would be as follows: - My time / effort - $Free Anyone wanting to follow along and do their own install would face the following additional costs: - Blank CD-ROM(s) for making a copy of Mythbuntu 10.04 - Schedules Direct TV listings account - free for a 1 week trial account, otherwise, up to $20 (US) per year (depending on the package selected). - MythTV friendly hardware - $ how much do you want to spend and/or what sort of hardware can you scrounge via sources like FreeGeek :-) ? Does the above work for everyone? Colin. > Are we a go for a Myth TV discussion/demonstration for 6:00 pm on Thursday > Aug 26th? August 26th sounds good to me. > Ushnish > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Colin McGregor > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:13 PM, R. G. Newbury >> wrote: >> > On 08/06/2010 03:11 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:10 PM, aaron ?wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:55, R. G. Newbury >> >>> ?wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Sounds like a good idea. Would also be useful to do the same (maybe >> >>>> in >> >>>> parallel) with Mythdora. There arr differences between Ubuntu based >> >>>> and >> >>>> Fedora based distros that can be highlighted plus some discussion of >> >>>> apt-get >> >>>> v yum setups. And dependency resolution for when things go wrong. >> >>>> (What? >> >>>> Something go wrong? What could go wrong?) >> >>> >> >>> I build from source on Slackware... is there a workshop for me? ;-) >> >> >> >> Not yet anyway :-) . >> >> >> >>> This sounds interesting. I'd like to go but it's far from me so I >> >>> might have trouble getting there. Keep us posted when it is and I'll >> >>> try to see if I can make it. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> And I would add, at a minimum, if you can get one, an ATSC based >> >>>> tuner >> >>>> preferably USB style (Hauppauge HVR-950 would be good) and maybe the >> >>>> loan of >> >>>> an HDHomeRun. You might need an RF amp and some splitters, plus some >> >>>> coax >> >>>> cables. And amp and speakers....Some really good HD on a separate >> >>>> drive >> >>>> (/video!) and a pre-configured mythconverg db for 'show and tell'. >> >>> >> >>> I feel fairly comfortable with Myth... at least with my own >> >>> configuration... but I know I want to upgrade eventually. I'm >> >>> capturing from two PVR-250s, outputting via VGA from a GeForce4 440MX >> >>> (anyone else remember when that was the "recommended" card for Myth? >> >>> :) ). I know things have moved along quite a bit in the six years >> >>> since I built my system... >> >> >> >> Oh, that is dated. When I wrote about MythTV in the fall of 2005 >> >> (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8658) the PVR-150 was out and the >> >> recommended video card was the GeForce 5200... Yes, you should be >> >> looking at some upgrades :-) . >> >> >> >> Colin. >> > >> > I wonder if some of the FreeGeek boxes would be powerful enough if you >> > were >> > using vdpau (or even xvmc with an intel chipset and recent driver). That >> > can >> > make an astounding difference. >> >> I gather that VDPAU capable video cards were not produced for AGP >> video card slots. I don't know if FreeGeek gets in any PCI-Express >> capable machines (I doubt it, but I will ask). >> >> Colin. >> >> > - >> > ? ? ? ? ? ? R. Geoffrey Newbury >> > -- >> > The Myth TV mailing list >> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 9 05:41:35 2010 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 01:41:35 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: References: <4C5C3E92.9020704@mandamus.org> Message-ID: <4C5F950F.10608@ve3syb.ca> Colin McGregor wrote: > Oh, that is dated. When I wrote about MythTV in the fall of 2005 > (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8658) the PVR-150 was out and the > recommended video card was the GeForce 5200... If you want old, I used to use an ATI All-In-Wonder PRO with the GATOS program to view TV (all of which predates MythTV). I currently have a PVR-150 in my desktop with MythTV under Ubuntu. There are times I would like to have a PVR-350 dual tuner card but I've heard that there are different chipsets used on the boards and only some of them are compatible with Linux. Its hard to know what chipset you might get when getting one of the boards. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 9 05:49:01 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 01:49:01 -0400 Subject: password managers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Portableapps has a few password managers. I haven't tried them, but maybe some are cross platform? On 2010-08-05 5:04 PM, "Dave Germiquet" wrote: Hi Guys, What do you recommend for password managers? -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 9 05:49:53 2010 From: ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Ijaaz A. Ullah) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 01:49:53 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: References: <4C5C3E92.9020704@mandamus.org> <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:13 PM, R. G. Newbury wrote: >> On 08/06/2010 03:11 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:10 PM, aaron ?wrote: >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:55, R. G. Newbury ?wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sounds like a good idea. Would also be useful to do the same (maybe in >>>>> parallel) with Mythdora. There arr differences between Ubuntu based and >>>>> Fedora based distros that can be highlighted plus some discussion of >>>>> apt-get >>>>> v yum setups. And dependency resolution for when things go wrong. (What? >>>>> Something go wrong? What could go wrong?) >>>> >>>> I build from source on Slackware... is there a workshop for me? ;-) >>> >>> Not yet anyway :-) . >>> >>>> This sounds interesting. I'd like to go but it's far from me so I >>>> might have trouble getting there. Keep us posted when it is and I'll >>>> try to see if I can make it. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> And I would add, at a minimum, if you can get one, an ATSC based tuner >>>>> preferably USB style (Hauppauge HVR-950 would be good) and maybe the >>>>> loan of >>>>> an HDHomeRun. You might need an RF amp and some splitters, plus some >>>>> coax >>>>> cables. And amp and speakers....Some really good HD on a separate drive >>>>> (/video!) and a pre-configured mythconverg db for 'show and tell'. >>>> >>>> I feel fairly comfortable with Myth... at least with my own >>>> configuration... but I know I want to upgrade eventually. I'm >>>> capturing from two PVR-250s, outputting via VGA from a GeForce4 440MX >>>> (anyone else remember when that was the "recommended" card for Myth? >>>> :) ). I know things have moved along quite a bit in the six years >>>> since I built my system... >>> >>> Oh, that is dated. When I wrote about MythTV in the fall of 2005 >>> (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8658) the PVR-150 was out and the >>> recommended video card was the GeForce 5200... Yes, you should be >>> looking at some upgrades :-) . >>> >>> Colin. >> >> I wonder if some of the FreeGeek boxes would be powerful enough if you were >> using vdpau (or even xvmc with an intel chipset and recent driver). That can >> make an astounding difference. > > I gather that VDPAU capable video cards were not produced for AGP > video card slots. I don't know if FreeGeek gets in any PCI-Express > capable machines (I doubt it, but I will ask). > > Colin. > >> - >> ? ? ? ? ? ? R. Geoffrey Newbury >> -- >> The Myth TV mailing list >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > I have a PCI (not PCI-Express) GeForce 8400 GS running myth on my main front end. (P4 2.4) and it does 1080p without breaking a sweat.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 9 11:39:25 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 07:39:25 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: <4C5F950F.10608-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5C3E92.9020704@mandamus.org> <4C5F950F.10608@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: >> >> Oh, that is dated. When I wrote about MythTV in the fall of 2005 >> (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8658) the PVR-150 was out and the >> recommended video card was the GeForce 5200... > > If you want old, I used to use an ATI All-In-Wonder PRO with the GATOS > program to view TV (all of which predates MythTV). I currently have a > PVR-150 in my desktop with MythTV under Ubuntu. There are times I would like > to have a PVR-350 dual tuner card but I've heard that there are different > chipsets used on the boards and only some of them are compatible with Linux. > Its hard to know what chipset you might get when getting one of the boards. A small correction, the PVR-500 was the only member of the PVR series to have dual tuners. All versions of all the Hauppauge PVR series TV tuners were/are well supported under MythTV, but... The PVR-350 has a video out connector and could be used as both a TV tuner and as a video graphics card. The latest versions of MythTV have dropped support for the video graphics card section of the PVR-350, but the PVR-350 still does work well as a TV tuner under MythTV. There have been multiple versions of the PVR-500, some of the tuners that came with some versions of the PVR-500 have a reputation for not being very sensitive... Colin. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 9 16:30:49 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:30:49 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable In-Reply-To: References: <5a955522618dd3c7b65d1e12734faf6a@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <20100809163049.GX2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 05:23:22PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: > A friend of mine called TekSavvy asked if he would be throttled, i think > they told him it depends on rogers. > > (Some area's are, some area's arent) Certainly from what I have read, if Rogers throttles cable in an area, it doesn't matter what provider you are with, it still happens. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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In-Reply-To: <4C5F950F.10608-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5C3E92.9020704@mandamus.org> <4C5F950F.10608@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <20100809165752.GY2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 01:41:35AM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: > If you want old, I used to use an ATI All-In-Wonder PRO with the GATOS > program to view TV (all of which predates MythTV). I currently have a > PVR-150 in my desktop with MythTV under Ubuntu. There are times I would > like to have a PVR-350 dual tuner card but I've heard that there are > different chipsets used on the boards and only some of them are > compatible with Linux. Its hard to know what chipset you might get when > getting one of the boards. The PVR-500 was dual tuner (I use one). The 350 was single tuner but also had video out. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 9 18:39:40 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 14:39:40 -0400 Subject: Conditionally Changing Subject Line of Email Sent by Cron Job Message-ID: <4C604B6C.3010404@dinamis.com> Hi, I have a Python script to update RSS feed subscriptions that I invoke in a BASH script via cron. If I invoke the shell script manually, I'll see this: cilkay at jupiter:~$ /home/cilkay/virtualenvs/test/bin/update_feeds.sh Your Industry News Alberta Oil Magazine Oilweek - Canada's Oil and Gas Authority Hydro World Your Oil and Gas News Occasionally, one of the feeds will be malformed and the script will output a Python traceback. I want cron to send emails to me regardless of success or failure of the script but I want the subject line to be "SUCCESS" or "FAILURE" so that I only have to pay attention if the subject line is "FAILURE". The crontab entry for this script is below. */17 * * * * /home/cilkay/virtualenvs/test/bin/update_feeds.sh 2>&1 | mail -s "FE Results" cron_results-BYqcrMrCQOc at public.gmane.org At the moment, as you can see, I have the same subject line regardless of the return code. How can I make the subject line "SUCCESS: Feed Updater" or "FAILURE: Feed Updater" depending on the return code of the BASH script? -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 9 19:02:21 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:02:21 -0400 Subject: Conditionally Changing Subject Line of Email Sent by Cron Job In-Reply-To: <4C604B6C.3010404-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4C604B6C.3010404@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20100809190221.GA5248@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 02:39:40PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Hi, > > I have a Python script to update RSS feed subscriptions that I invoke in > a BASH script via cron. If I invoke the shell script manually, I'll see > this: > > cilkay at jupiter:~$ /home/cilkay/virtualenvs/test/bin/update_feeds.sh > Your Industry News > Alberta Oil Magazine > Oilweek - Canada's Oil and Gas Authority > Hydro World > Your Oil and Gas News > > Occasionally, one of the feeds will be malformed and the script will > output a Python traceback. I want cron to send emails to me regardless > of success or failure of the script but I want the subject line to be > "SUCCESS" or "FAILURE" so that I only have to pay attention if the > subject line is "FAILURE". The crontab entry for this script is below. > > */17 * * * * /home/cilkay/virtualenvs/test/bin/update_feeds.sh 2>&1 | > mail -s "FE Results" cron_results-BYqcrMrCQOc at public.gmane.org > > At the moment, as you can see, I have the same subject line regardless > of the return code. How can I make the subject line "SUCCESS: Feed > Updater" or "FAILURE: Feed Updater" depending on the return code of the > BASH script? Since return code can only be tested after it returns, you have to do this in 2-steps. Try something like, */17 * * * * /home/cilkay/virtualenvs/test/bin/update_feeds.sh >/tmp/x 2>&1; if test $? -eq 0; then SUBJECT="SUCESS"; else SUBJECT="FAILURE"; fi; mail -s "$SUBJECT" cron_results-BYqcrMrCQOc at public.gmane.org < /tmp/x First command runs, second command tests for its return code, and finally third command sends the mail. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 9 19:37:12 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:37:12 -0400 Subject: Conditionally Changing Subject Line of Email Sent by Cron Job In-Reply-To: <20100809190221.GA5248-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4C604B6C.3010404@dinamis.com> <20100809190221.GA5248@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4C6058E8.7010703@dinamis.com> On 08/09/2010 03:02 PM, William Park wrote: > Since return code can only be tested after it returns, you have to do > this in 2-steps. Try something like, > > */17 * * * * /home/cilkay/virtualenvs/test/bin/update_feeds.sh>/tmp/x 2>&1; if test $? -eq 0; then SUBJECT="SUCESS"; else SUBJECT="FAILURE"; fi; mail -s "$SUBJECT" cron_results-BYqcrMrCQOc at public.gmane.org< /tmp/x > > First command runs, second command tests for its return code, and > finally third command sends the mail. Thank you. That did it. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 9 20:46:55 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:46:55 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: <4C605171.1090107-Q6Ug6qEURudg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5C3E92.9020704@mandamus.org> <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> <4C605171.1090107@mandamus.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:05 PM, R. G. Newbury wrote: > On 08/08/2010 11:03 PM, Colin McGregor wrote: >> >> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Ushnish Sengupta >> ?wrote: >>> >>> Hi >>> No PCI-Express capable machines at Free Geek Toronto that I am aware of. >> >> Unfortunate, but not a big issue, just means that showing off the >> tricks a VDPAU card can pull will not be an option using a machine >> from FreeGeek. What is the fastest machine I could count on being able >> to borrow at FreeGeek? >> >>> Perhaps we could have more of a discussion if we dont have all the >>> available >>> equipment, or would you rather have the equipment in place and have more >>> of >>> a demonstration? >> >> Thinking out loud here ... ideally I guess I would like to do an >> install demonstration with Mythbuntu 10.04 (a version of Ubuntu 10.04 >> tailored for installing MythTV). This would be installed on a box >> during the evening and during the dead time bits, (while waiting for >> files to be copied from CD-ROM to hard drive) showing some slides off >> my laptop (slides with sources / resources for MythTV). I would also >> like to walk people through getting an account set-up with Schedules >> Direct (required for North American TV listings). > > You might want to touch on the fact that in a year, Canada is doing the > digital switchover, which will not affect basic cable, but will affect OTA. > And also touch on solutions for digital cable boxen... Good points, though it looks like CBC will be pressing for a delay in the analog shutdown : http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/08/06/cbc-digital-television-transition.html >> My plan would I think run as follows: >> >> Bring the following bits: >> >> - Laptop with MythTV related slides >> - Copies of Mythbuntu 10.04 on CD >> - MythTV friendly TV tuner card(s) >> - Rabbit ear style indoor TV antenna >> - Simple coax splitter and some coax cable >> >> What I would hope to borrow for the duration of the evening from FreeGeek: >> >> - Video projector >> - High speed internet connection >> - PC as fast as possible with 1GB+ of RAM, 40 GB+ of HD space, nVidia >> graphics card (GeForce 5200 or better), 1+ available PCI card slot(s), >> Linux supported sound card, Linux supported Ethernet card, keyboard, >> mouse, monitor, and speakers. > > Actually, it might be better if you do what the cooking shows do: Do 99% of > an install beforehand on one box, then do the commencement of the install as > the live demo, and switch to the installed box for the rest of the setup. > That way the interminable portions of the install, especially the update > portion can be skipped in the demo. Another good idea if I can come up with 2 suitable demo boxes and the time to set one up in advance... > I did a re-install some time ago on my mythbox, and it took me about 45 > minutes of 'sit-at-the-computer' time, over about 6 hours of a Saturday. I > would start something and go back to cleaning the garage, cutting the > frontlawn, come back to reboot, start the update cycle, cut the back lawn, > reboot, start the dependencies and mythtv svn download scripts, run over to > Home Depot from something, start the mythtv build script, etc. > No-one coming to this sort of event wants to wait through those delays (most > of which don't exist on Mythbuntu anyway!). But you have to show how to do > the first steps. Especially and including some discussion of disk > partitioning, multiple hard drives etc. > > >> People attending would be invited to bring in their own PCs if they >> would like to follow along doing an install... Cost to those attending >> the talk would be as follows: >> >> - My time / effort - $Free >> >> Anyone wanting to follow along and do their own install would face the >> following additional costs: >> >> - Blank CD-ROM(s) for making a copy of Mythbuntu 10.04 >> - Schedules Direct TV listings account - free for a 1 week trial >> account, otherwise, up to $20 (US) per year (depending on the package >> selected). > >> - MythTV friendly hardware - $ how much do you want to spend and/or >> what sort of hardware can you scrounge via sources like FreeGeek :-) ? > > We could/should figure out a list for a handout of the hardware we are > actually using, which we can *personally* vouch for. What I am using NOW, and what I have used over the last 5 years with MythTV are somewhat different animals... > Analog tuner > PVR 500 PVR-150 (used in the past, my first MythTV tuner) PVR-350 (used in the past) PVR-500 (currently in use) > Digital tuner > HD HomeRUn > Hauppauge HVR950 pcHDTV-5500 (used in the past) HVR-1250 (currently in use) HVR-1600 (currently in use) > Remote Receiver > iMon Soundgraph (in SilverStone case) > > > Remote Control > iMon Soundgraph > > Remote Extender > Channel Vision Technology IR5000 > > Antenna > Channel Master 4228 > Channel Master 4220 Wineguard GS-2200 (currently in use) >> Does the above work for everyone? >> >> >> Colin. >> >>> Are we a go for a Myth TV discussion/demonstration for 6:00 pm on >>> Thursday >>> Aug 26th? >> >> August 26th sounds good to me. > > Ditto > What's the exact address? 51 Vine Ave., Unit B. This is a short walk north of Dundas Ave. W., west of Keele. By TTC, for most people the best route would be to go to Keele Subway station, then take a northbound Keele bus to Dundas St. W. then walk north to Vine Ave.. Remember that Dundas Street does go north of Bloor for a little while, and FreeGeek is in the area where Dundas is north of Bloor... Also, the FreeGeek space is somewhat limited, so the person co-ordinating things so the space doesn't get overwhelmed is Mr. Ushnish Sengupta . Anyone interested in attending the MythTV build workshop should drop Ushnish a note asking him to reserve a spot for you... Colin. > Geoff > > ? ? ? ? ? ? R. Geoffrey Newbury > -- > The Myth TV mailing list > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 9 21:06:09 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:06:09 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: References: <4C5C3E92.9020704@mandamus.org> <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> <4C605171.1090107@mandamus.org> Message-ID: <20100809210609.GY2632@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> > Good points, though it looks like CBC will be pressing for a delay in > What I am using NOW, and what I have used over the last 5 years with > MythTV are somewhat different animals... > > > Analog tuner > > PVR 500 > > PVR-150 (used in the past, my first MythTV tuner) > PVR-350 (used in the past) > PVR-500 (currently in use) That's what I have in use too, although I also use a SA4250HD. Soon I will have an HDPVR hooked up to the 4250HD to add some more channels (some that used to work over firewire no longer do and it is getting annoying. Stupid Rogers). > > Digital tuner > > HD HomeRUn > > Hauppauge HVR950 > > pcHDTV-5500 (used in the past) > HVR-1250 (currently in use) > HVR-1600 (currently in use) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 10 00:10:18 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:10:18 -0400 Subject: systemrescuecd In-Reply-To: <4C5F46E4.3000707-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5F46E4.3000707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C6098EA.8030101@gmail.com> for those who might want to know Partimage does not support *ext4* or *btrfs* filesystems. does anyone know a good partition back app? On 10-08-08 08:08 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > anyone successfully use systemrescuecd on ext 4 fs? > > i am getting, 'can't read bitmap block 0' error when trying to save a > partition > i recall when i was using a ext 3 fs i didn't have this issue -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 10 02:04:48 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 22:04:48 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: <20100809210609.GY2632-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5C3E92.9020704@mandamus.org> <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> <4C605171.1090107@mandamus.org> <20100809210609.GY2632@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> Good points, though it looks like CBC will be pressing for a delay in >> What I am using NOW, and what I have used over the last 5 years with >> MythTV are somewhat different animals... >> >> > Analog tuner >> > PVR 500 >> >> PVR-150 (used in the past, my first MythTV tuner) >> PVR-350 (used in the past) >> PVR-500 (currently in use) > > That's what I have in use too, although I also use a SA4250HD. ?Soon I > will have an HDPVR hooked up to the 4250HD to add some more channels (some > that used to work over firewire no longer do and it is getting annoying. > Stupid Rogers). I will happily echo the "Stupid Rogers" comment, I am ... unhappy ... with their service and will be rid of everything except their analog cable service by end of next week :-) . My MythTV set-up is a hybrid set-up, 3x analog tuners tied to Rogers analog cable, and 2x ATSC tuners tied to an outdoor antenna. The analog tuners give me the specialty channels that are of interest to me (Space and Food Network mainly) and the antenna gives me the mainstream channels in HD (CBC, PBS, etc...). This works fairly well, except when Rogers is out (again...). As is, I wouldn't be interested in touching one of those Rogers boxes with a 10 foot pole... I did have to laugh a bit, yesterday I got a Bell flyer promoting their PVR (they had an ice cream truck on Yonge near Bloor yesterday evening offering free ice cream and fliers). Bell was talking about how their PVR can record up to 4 channels at once (as noted my MythTV box can currently do 5 channels). Bell's box can record up to 100 hours of HD programming (mine can currently do 150 hours of HD). Nothing in the Bell flyer about commercial auto skipping (why do I doubt they have that feature ...). Colin. >> > Digital tuner >> > HD HomeRUn >> > Hauppauge HVR950 >> >> pcHDTV-5500 (used in the past) >> HVR-1250 (currently in use) >> HVR-1600 (currently in use) > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Myth TV mailing list > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 10 02:29:09 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 22:29:09 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: References: <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> <4C605171.1090107@mandamus.org> <20100809210609.GY2632@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100810022909.GA6499@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 10:04:48PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > > That's what I have in use too, although I also use a SA4250HD. ?Soon I > > will have an HDPVR hooked up to the 4250HD to add some more channels (some > > that used to work over firewire no longer do and it is getting annoying. > > Stupid Rogers). > > I will happily echo the "Stupid Rogers" comment, I am ... unhappy ... > with their service and will be rid of everything except their analog > cable service by end of next week :-) . > > My MythTV set-up is a hybrid set-up, 3x analog tuners tied to Rogers > analog cable, and 2x ATSC tuners tied to an outdoor antenna. The > analog tuners give me the specialty channels that are of interest to > me (Space and Food Network mainly) and the antenna gives me the > mainstream channels in HD (CBC, PBS, etc...). This works fairly well, > except when Rogers is out (again...). As is, I wouldn't be interested > in touching one of those Rogers boxes with a 10 foot pole... Rogers Digital Basic (the cheapest package) already gives you HD for main Canadian and US channels. Why do you need antenna, then? Right now, I have everything with Rogers (ie. tv, home phone, wireless, internet), of which cable tv is the biggest portion of the bill. So, I'm very interested in your antenna setup. I look forward to your talk. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 10 03:13:14 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 23:13:14 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: <20100810022909.GA6499-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> <4C605171.1090107@mandamus.org> <20100809210609.GY2632@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810022909.GA6499@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:29 PM, William Park wrote: > On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 10:04:48PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: >> > That's what I have in use too, although I also use a SA4250HD. ?Soon I >> > will have an HDPVR hooked up to the 4250HD to add some more channels (some >> > that used to work over firewire no longer do and it is getting annoying. >> > Stupid Rogers). >> >> I will happily echo the "Stupid Rogers" comment, I am ... unhappy ... >> with their service and will be rid of everything except their analog >> cable service by end of next week :-) . >> >> My MythTV set-up is a hybrid set-up, 3x analog tuners tied to Rogers >> analog cable, and 2x ATSC tuners tied to an outdoor antenna. The >> analog tuners give me the specialty channels that are of interest to >> me (Space and Food Network mainly) and the antenna gives me the >> mainstream channels in HD (CBC, PBS, etc...). This works fairly well, >> except when Rogers is out (again...). As is, I wouldn't be interested >> in touching one of those Rogers boxes with a 10 foot pole... > > Rogers Digital Basic (the cheapest package) already gives you HD for > main Canadian and US channels. ?Why do you need antenna, then? The are multiple advantages to using an antenna: - Cost. Here we are talking (basically) a one time fixed cost. Once you buy the antenna there is no ongoing costs to the cable company. - Quality. Both the cable and satellite TV companies compress the signal to cram more channels in a given amount of bandwidth. Over the air can/will give you a better picture than the one you get via cable/satellite. - Control. I don't have to worry about the issues associated with connecting to a cable / satellite box. > Right now, I have everything with Rogers (ie. tv, home phone, wireless, > internet), of which cable tv is the biggest portion of the bill. ?So, > I'm very interested in your antenna setup. ?I look forward to your talk. I'll be happy to get into that, explaining the choices I made and the trade-offs I accepted... Colin. > -- > William > > -- > The Myth TV mailing list > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 10 05:31:17 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 01:31:17 -0400 Subject: systemrescuecd In-Reply-To: <4C6098EA.8030101-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5F46E4.3000707@gmail.com> <4C6098EA.8030101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C60E425.2020801@gmail.com> On 10-08-09 08:10 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > for those who might want to know > > Partimage does not support *ext4* or *btrfs* filesystems. > > does anyone know a good partition back app? maybe out of lazyness or bad windows gui habits, i realized all i really needed was to use tar after booting off a live cd, problem solved! -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 10 04:45:28 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 00:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: References: <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> <4C605171.1090107@mandamus.org> <20100809210609.GY2632@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810022909.GA6499@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: | From: Colin McGregor | On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:29 PM, William Park wrote: | > Rogers Digital Basic (the cheapest package) already gives you HD for | > main Canadian and US channels. ?Why do you need antenna, then? | | The are multiple advantages to using an antenna: You missed the most fundamental reason: - Rogers encrypts all HD signals (with the possible exception of their own advertising channels). The only way I know to decrypt the stream is using a Rogers box. That produces a single-channel stream in various encodings, all problematic: + HDMI -- no chance to capture (HDCP?) + component -- analogue; can be captured with expensive hardware that re-encodes. Yuck. + firewire -- for some channels HD, I think. Lennart uses this. + component -- no longer HD, I guess. But can be captured. Essentially, they almost force you to use their pathetic PVR. (I know it is pathetic -- I have one.) Apropos capturing Rogers signal, Dell seems to have the Hauppauge capture-component-signal box on sale for the next couple of days. $180 is the best I've seen. From hugh-+oaQStku59NWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 10 07:32:24 2010 From: hugh-+oaQStku59NWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Hugh Gamble) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 03:32:24 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: References: <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> <4C605171.1090107@mandamus.org> <20100809210609.GY2632@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810022909.GA6499@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4C610088.6020600@phaedrav.com> One major advantage of using an antenna, you can get US TV. Rogers, et al, insert more advertising than US law allows. To do this they chop out bits of your show, and you lose out on the actual content. Canadian re-broadcasts are also edited and censored in other ways for various and sundry reasons both odious and obscene. Cable TV only shows you content approved by *the man*. The Canadian re-broadcasts also substitute Canadian commercials. With an antenna you can get the original US advertisements. The ads are frequently the most interesting, important, and socially relevant parts of the broadcast. I don't pay for it, and I never will ;-P (there was a time I could say that about Internet) You can also, more and more, supplement over the air TV with Internet TV (both paid, and free from the Canadian rights holder). For the 2010/2011 season, the Canadian networks are mostly buying Canadian Internet rights together with the broadcast rights. You can even get *wireless* radio now, by antenna :-) A lot of the TV tuners also do at least FM. On 10/08/2010 12:45 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Colin McGregor > > | On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:29 PM, William Park wrote: > > | > Rogers Digital Basic (the cheapest package) already gives you HD for > | > main Canadian and US channels. Why do you need antenna, then? > | > | The are multiple advantages to using an antenna: > > You missed the most fundamental reason: > > - Rogers encrypts all HD signals (with the possible exception of > their own advertising channels). The only way I know to decrypt > the stream is using a Rogers box. That produces a single-channel > stream in various encodings, all problematic: > > + HDMI -- no chance to capture (HDCP?) > + component -- analogue; can be captured with expensive > hardware that re-encodes. Yuck. > + firewire -- for some channels HD, I think. Lennart uses this. > + component -- no longer HD, I guess. But can be captured. > > Essentially, they almost force you to use their pathetic PVR. > (I know it is pathetic -- I have one.) > -- Need what I can do? Hire me: http://www.PhaedraV.com/CV.html Hugh Gamble voice: 905 787 1849 cell: 416 602 4050 Hugh-PVYMF0oKpB9Wk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org ICQ 207069950 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 10 02:38:03 2010 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 22:38:03 -0400 Subject: systemrescuecd In-Reply-To: <4C6098EA.8030101-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5F46E4.3000707@gmail.com> <4C6098EA.8030101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100809223803.b682435d.hgibson@eol.ca> On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:10:18 -0400 Rajinder Yadav wrote: > for those who might want to know > > Partimage does not support *ext4* or *btrfs* filesystems. > > does anyone know a good partition back app? Rajinder, I was under the impression that any install CD or DVD can do a rescue. Fedora Core definitely boots an OS from the DVD, and gives you command line access. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 10 15:55:47 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:55:47 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: <20100810022909.GA6499-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> <4C605171.1090107@mandamus.org> <20100809210609.GY2632@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810022909.GA6499@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20100810155547.GZ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 10:29:09PM -0400, William Park wrote: > Rogers Digital Basic (the cheapest package) already gives you HD for > main Canadian and US channels. Why do you need antenna, then? To record them. Unless you add something like the HDPVR to a rogers HD digital box. Most HD channels are not accessible over firewire (and les and less seem to be over time). I had the winter olympics in HD on firewire for CTV, but I stopped being able to do that in March. Digital basic did not include the HD box, only the SD box unless that has changed lately (in which case I would like them to exchange my SD box for an HD box please). > Right now, I have everything with Rogers (ie. tv, home phone, wireless, > internet), of which cable tv is the biggest portion of the bill. So, > I'm very interested in your antenna setup. I look forward to your talk. I have cable, internet and cell phone with them right now. Some day I will get around to moving internet to teksavvy instead. I could maybe put up an antenna, but in about a year they are supposed to start building a condo tower 500m south of my house, so I am thinking "Why bother". -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 10 15:59:27 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:59:27 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: References: <4C605171.1090107@mandamus.org> <20100809210609.GY2632@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810022909.GA6499@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20100810155927.GA2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:45:28AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > You missed the most fundamental reason: > > - Rogers encrypts all HD signals (with the possible exception of > their own advertising channels). The only way I know to decrypt > the stream is using a Rogers box. That produces a single-channel > stream in various encodings, all problematic: > > + HDMI -- no chance to capture (HDCP?) > + component -- analogue; can be captured with expensive > hardware that re-encodes. Yuck. > + firewire -- for some channels HD, I think. Lennart uses this. Yeah, except I am in the process of moving the the component reencode method (which I agree is Yuck, but I want more channels in HD back). The number of channels working slowly drops. > + component -- no longer HD, I guess. But can be captured. I think you meant 'composite'. > Essentially, they almost force you to use their pathetic PVR. > (I know it is pathetic -- I have one.) > > Apropos capturing Rogers signal, Dell seems to have the Hauppauge > capture-component-signal box on sale for the next couple of days. $180 is > the best I've seen. > I bought one last time it was on sale. Still haven't hooked it up (I was working on it when a stick of ram died in the mythtv box and spent the time diagnosing that instead). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 10 18:01:41 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: a few power measurements of PC system boxes Message-ID: I have a cheap meter that measures power consumption of a device. Rougly like this one (I cannot see the main picture because it is Flash; without seeing it, I cannot say if the use of Flash is gratuitous.) Out of curiousity, I measured four systems in my house. Here's what I found. Note: I am only measuring the system box, not the monitors. ================ Acer Revo R1600 (little single-core Atom "nettop" box) - nVidia ION for accelerated video - 160G notebook drive - 2G of SODIM ram. - running 64-bit Ubuntu 10.04 - power supply is like a notebook's: an outboard brick. - Ubuntu 10.04 off: 3w power on: 20-30w login: 23w startup FireFox: 23-27w CPU-bound: 23-27w ================ Foxcon MiniITX dual-core Atom Box I added 2G of RAM and a Western Digital "Green" drive (wd15eads). Running 64-bit RHEL 6.0 beta2 refresh off: 7w (internal power supply still powers some things) booting: 41-48w (mostly 42w) login screen: 38-40w 100% CPU: 40w disk active (find / -name never): 40w during normal usage (whatever that means): 40w ================ cheap AMD box - ECS ECS BLACK SERIES GF8200A (V1.0) AM2+/AM3 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - AMD Athlon II X2 240 Dual Core Processor ADX240OCGQBOX - 2.80GHz, Socket AM3, 2MB Cache, "65w" - two Hauppauge HVR-1600 tuners - one Adaptec VideOh! tuner - Seagate ST31500341as 7200RPM disk drive - Antec SP-450 power supply - Running 64-bit MythBuntu 10.04 off: 11w booting: 100-119w (mostly 102w) login screen: 102w waiting for password at start of "Software Update": 93w 100% CPU-bound (one task, not two): 124w normal sage: 93-97w ================ HP Pavilion A6245n (Core 2 Quad 6600, intel chipset) - 6G DDR2, 320G 7200 RPM Seagate ST3320820as drive - Asus EAH3650 Silent Magic video card (ATI, no fan) - running 64-bit Fedora 13 Off: bounces between 0w and 4w booting: 120-160w (a bit less once Linux starts up) login screen: 109-115w after login: same starting FireFox with a lot of saved windows and tabs: up to 150w, mostly 140w idle, with screen blanked: 110-141w (more often 110w) 1 CPU-bound task: 138-163w (140w common) as I type this: 113-165w; under 12w common -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 10 18:24:24 2010 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:24:24 -0400 Subject: a few power measurements of PC system boxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <959fbc15498d36470ff3e82700582d9d.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Very interesting. 165 watts! Wow. Peter > I have a cheap meter that measures power consumption of a device. Rougly > like this one > > (I cannot see the main picture because it is Flash; without seeing it, I > cannot say if the use of Flash is gratuitous.) > > Out of curiousity, I measured four systems in my house. Here's what I > found. Note: I am only measuring the system box, not the monitors. > > ================ > > Acer Revo R1600 (little single-core Atom "nettop" box) > - nVidia ION for accelerated video > - 160G notebook drive > - 2G of SODIM ram. > - running 64-bit Ubuntu 10.04 > - power supply is like a notebook's: an outboard brick. > - Ubuntu 10.04 > > off: 3w > power on: 20-30w > login: 23w > startup FireFox: 23-27w > CPU-bound: 23-27w > > ================ > > Foxcon MiniITX dual-core Atom Box > > I added 2G of RAM and a Western Digital "Green" drive (wd15eads). > Running 64-bit RHEL 6.0 beta2 refresh > > off: 7w (internal power supply still powers some things) > booting: 41-48w (mostly 42w) > login screen: 38-40w > 100% CPU: 40w > disk active (find / -name never): 40w > during normal usage (whatever that means): 40w > > ================ > > cheap AMD box > - ECS ECS BLACK SERIES GF8200A (V1.0) AM2+/AM3 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 > HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard > - AMD Athlon II X2 240 Dual Core Processor ADX240OCGQBOX - 2.80GHz, > Socket AM3, 2MB Cache, "65w" > - two Hauppauge HVR-1600 tuners > - one Adaptec VideOh! tuner > - Seagate ST31500341as 7200RPM disk drive > - Antec SP-450 power supply > - Running 64-bit MythBuntu 10.04 > > off: 11w > booting: 100-119w (mostly 102w) > login screen: 102w > waiting for password at start of "Software Update": 93w > 100% CPU-bound (one task, not two): 124w > normal sage: 93-97w > > ================ > > HP Pavilion A6245n (Core 2 Quad 6600, intel chipset) > - 6G DDR2, 320G 7200 RPM Seagate ST3320820as drive > - Asus EAH3650 Silent Magic video card (ATI, no fan) > - running 64-bit Fedora 13 > > Off: bounces between 0w and 4w > booting: 120-160w (a bit less once Linux starts up) > login screen: 109-115w > after login: same > starting FireFox with a lot of saved windows and tabs: > up to 150w, mostly 140w > idle, with screen blanked: 110-141w (more often 110w) > 1 CPU-bound task: 138-163w (140w common) > as I type this: 113-165w; under 12w common > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 10 21:25:03 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:25:03 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? Message-ID: Is there some reason that doing using select does not see the data coming to a udp socket that is not connected, but is bound and is listening. I am broadcasting data to the socket. I have confirmed that if I don't use select that it receives data. What I am trying to do is synchronize multiple linux embedded systems to within 10ms. My thought is to use a UDP broadcast to start the synchronization then use the internal clocks. If anyone has any interesting ideas I'm open to suggestions. Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 10 21:29:34 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:29:34 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 05:25:03PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > Is there some reason that doing using select does not see the data > coming to a udp socket that is not connected, but is bound and is > listening. > > I am broadcasting data to the socket. I have confirmed that if I don't > use select that it receives data. > > What I am trying to do is synchronize multiple linux embedded systems > to within 10ms. My thought is to use a UDP broadcast to start the > synchronization then use the internal clocks. If anyone has any > interesting ideas I'm open to suggestions. Have you heard of ntp? It does just that, and way more accurately, and is done by people that understand time synchronization. Don't try to reinvent a wheel, when you don't know how a wheel works. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 10 21:50:02 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:50:02 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: <20100810212934.GB2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 05:25:03PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: >> Is there some reason that doing using select does not see the data >> coming to a udp socket that is not connected, but is bound and is >> listening. >> >> I am broadcasting data to the socket. I have confirmed that if I don't >> use select that it receives data. >> >> What I am trying to do is synchronize multiple linux embedded systems >> to within 10ms. My thought is to use a UDP broadcast to start the >> synchronization then use the internal clocks. If anyone has any >> interesting ideas I'm open to suggestions. > > Have you heard of ntp? ?It does just that, and way more accurately, > and is done by people that understand time synchronization. ?Don't try > to reinvent a wheel, when you don't know how a wheel works. > That was pleasant .... if ntp worked I would use it. Yes it will synchronize the clocks but then what do you do. Lets say you want to do something on the same 125ms on multiple machines. Your first problem is getting a starting point. One would think you could just do gettimeofday until you get to the 0th millisecond of the second, however you quickly find out that gettimeofday can't be called that quickly. So how do you set the start point ? I have thought about this a little more than your flippant response. Dave > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 10 22:49:12 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:49:12 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: References: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4C61D768.1020704@utoronto.ca> On 8/10/2010 5:50 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 05:25:03PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: >>> Is there some reason that doing using select does not see the data >>> coming to a udp socket that is not connected, but is bound and is >>> listening. >>> >>> I am broadcasting data to the socket. I have confirmed that if I don't >>> use select that it receives data. >>> >>> What I am trying to do is synchronize multiple linux embedded systems >>> to within 10ms. My thought is to use a UDP broadcast to start the >>> synchronization then use the internal clocks. If anyone has any >>> interesting ideas I'm open to suggestions. >> >> Have you heard of ntp? It does just that, and way more accurately, >> and is done by people that understand time synchronization. Don't try >> to reinvent a wheel, when you don't know how a wheel works. >> > > That was pleasant .... if ntp worked I would use it. Yes it will > synchronize the clocks but then what do you do. > > Lets say you want to do something on the same 125ms on multiple > machines. Your first problem is getting a starting point. One would > think you could just do gettimeofday until you get to the 0th > millisecond of the second, however you quickly find out that > gettimeofday can't be called that quickly. So how do you set the start > point ? I have thought about this a little more than your flippant > response. It might have been flippant, but NTP will sync to achieve sub-millisecond accuracy on a robust LAN. If you run your own ntp server on said LAN you can speed up the sync process using the iburst option on clients. 1/8th of a second should be ok as long as you a) have a good drift file on the clients and b) have a stable clock in each system, plus a very precise and accurate ntp server to poll. Lots of caveats, but I wouldn't completely write off NTP. If this is over the public internet, then all bets are off ;) Have you considered a hardware ntp clocksource? Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 10 22:49:46 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:49:46 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: References: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100810224946.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 05:50:02PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 05:25:03PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > >> Is there some reason that doing using select does not see the data > >> coming to a udp socket that is not connected, but is bound and is > >> listening. > >> > >> I am broadcasting data to the socket. I have confirmed that if I don't > >> use select that it receives data. > >> > >> What I am trying to do is synchronize multiple linux embedded systems > >> to within 10ms. My thought is to use a UDP broadcast to start the > >> synchronization then use the internal clocks. If anyone has any > >> interesting ideas I'm open to suggestions. > > > > Have you heard of ntp? ?It does just that, and way more accurately, > > and is done by people that understand time synchronization. ?Don't try > > to reinvent a wheel, when you don't know how a wheel works. > > > > That was pleasant .... if ntp worked I would use it. Yes it will > synchronize the clocks but then what do you do. OK, and if you explained why ntp doesn't work, that might get better answers. If you ask for timesync and don't say ntp doesn't work, then you get stupid answers (like mine). > Lets say you want to do something on the same 125ms on multiple > machines. Your first problem is getting a starting point. One would > think you could just do gettimeofday until you get to the 0th > millisecond of the second, however you quickly find out that > gettimeofday can't be called that quickly. So how do you set the start > point ? I have thought about this a little more than your flippant > response. It's just that it can be hard to predict the variability in the network stack and even the network. ntp does lots of complicated things (that I sure don't understand in any detail) to compensate for that. Now a more complicated solution that is apparently even better is ieee1588, but that tends to require hardware support to work. gettimeofday is an "expensive" system call. Best not to use that. Now are you just trying to set the clock once and then let it run with whatever crappy accuracy the system clock has or do you intend to update it regularly and try to maintain the drift on the system clock? Now when you say syncrhonize, it just occoured to me that perhaps you don't care what time it is, but are in fact trying to get multiple machines to work in sync with each other on some problem. That's rather tricky since linux isn't real time and only ever promises to delay at least as long as you ask for. It doesn't do 'trigger at this time' unless you start using some interrupt source for it. On x86 you can do something like that using /dev/rtc, which I have seen mplayer and a few other things use. It allowes you to get woken up at a regular consistent interval to do something. If you ran the rtc at 1024hz (as mplayer often does I believe), that would certainly allow you to be within 10ms, and in fact close to 1ms. After all if you had each machine check every rtc event if they received a start message yet and kept doing that (1024 times per second) until they received the message, then you would know you are within 1 or 2 ms of the receive time of the packet (whether that is anywhere near the send time depends on your network and such, but in general it should be). If you then keep waking up on the event and keep a count, then you can do your event at the interval you want, as long as it is a multiple of the rtc interval. The hpet is another source of such timer events that might work. I think you want to forget about gettimeofday though for such things, and certainly forget sleep and such, and simply use one of the timer methods that allows you to request a specific frequency of wakeups, to ensure you are close enough to the desired time when you do youw work. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 10 23:52:59 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:52:59 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: <20100810224946.GC2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810224946.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 05:50:02PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Lennart Sorensen >> wrote: >> > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 05:25:03PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: >> >> Is there some reason that doing using select does not see the data >> >> coming to a udp socket that is not connected, but is bound and is >> >> listening. >> >> >> >> I am broadcasting data to the socket. I have confirmed that if I don't >> >> use select that it receives data. >> >> >> >> What I am trying to do is synchronize multiple linux embedded systems >> >> to within 10ms. My thought is to use a UDP broadcast to start the >> >> synchronization then use the internal clocks. If anyone has any >> >> interesting ideas I'm open to suggestions. >> > >> > Have you heard of ntp? ?It does just that, and way more accurately, >> > and is done by people that understand time synchronization. ?Don't try >> > to reinvent a wheel, when you don't know how a wheel works. >> > >> >> That was pleasant .... if ntp worked I would use it. Yes it will >> synchronize the clocks but then what do you do. > > OK, and if you explained why ntp doesn't work, that might get better > answers. ?If you ask for timesync and don't say ntp doesn't work, then > you get stupid answers (like mine). Agreed > >> Lets say you want to do something on the same ?125ms on multiple >> machines. Your first problem is getting a starting point. One would >> think you could just do gettimeofday until you get to the 0th >> millisecond of the second, however you quickly find out that >> gettimeofday can't be called that quickly. So how do you set the start >> point ? I have thought about this a little more than your flippant >> response. > > It's just that it can be hard to predict the variability in the network > stack and even the network. ?ntp does lots of complicated things (that > I sure don't understand in any detail) to compensate for that. ?Now a > more complicated solution that is apparently even better is ieee1588, > but that tends to require hardware support to work. I can control the network, I'm not trying to solve the general case. > > gettimeofday is an "expensive" system call. ?Best not to use that. > > Now are you just trying to set the clock once and then let it run with > whatever crappy accuracy the system clock has or do you intend to update > it regularly and try to maintain the drift on the system clock? > > Now when you say syncrhonize, it just occoured to me that perhaps you > don't care what time it is, but are in fact trying to get multiple > machines to work in sync with each other on some problem. Yes, this is what I want to do. At this point this is an experiment to see what can be done. That's rather > tricky since linux isn't real time and only ever promises to delay at > least as long as you ask for. ?It doesn't do 'trigger at this time' > unless you start using some interrupt source for it. ?On x86 you can > do something like that using /dev/rtc, which I have seen mplayer and > a few other things use. ?It allowes you to get woken up at a regular > consistent interval to do something. ?If you ran the rtc at 1024hz > (as mplayer often does I believe), that would certainly allow you to be > within 10ms, and in fact close to 1ms. After all if you had each machine > check every rtc event if they received a start message yet and kept doing > that (1024 times per second) until they received the message, then you > would know you are within 1 or 2 ms of the receive time of the packet > (whether that is anywhere near the send time depends on your network > and such, but in general it should be). ?If you then keep waking up on > the event and keep a count, then you can do your event at the interval > you want, as long as it is a multiple of the rtc interval. > Thanks, all good information. > The hpet is another source of such timer events that might work. > > I think you want to forget about gettimeofday though for such things, > and certainly forget sleep and such, and simply use one of the timer > methods that allows you to request a specific frequency of wakeups, > to ensure you are close enough to the desired time when you do youw work. > Thanks again. Dave > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 03:22:10 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:22:10 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: References: <4C5C3E92.9020704@mandamus.org> <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> Message-ID: <20100811032210.GA4515@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Aug 08, 2010 at 11:03:35PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Ushnish Sengupta > wrote: > > Hi > > No?PCI-Express capable machines at Free Geek Toronto that I am aware of. > > Unfortunate, but not a big issue, just means that showing off the > tricks a VDPAU card can pull will not be an option using a machine > from FreeGeek. What is the fastest machine I could count on being able > to borrow at FreeGeek? As I was browsing "TV tuner" section, I noticed that practically all are PCI-E x 1. And, another thing I noticed is all the specs only mentioned "input" to these cards. But, I want to watch TV on TV. So, where is "output"? Do I connect the TV to my graphic card, or these "TV tuner" cards? -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 04:15:08 2010 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:15:08 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... Message-ID: Well, I am now 34 years old, still single after 24 years of trying to get a first date, and have not received a birthday present in 20 years; so not a happy birthday like usual.... -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 04:25:09 2010 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:25:09 -0400 Subject: systemrescuecd In-Reply-To: <20100809223803.b682435d.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5F46E4.3000707@gmail.com> <4C6098EA.8030101@gmail.com> <20100809223803.b682435d.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <4C622625.4020608@gmail.com> On 10-08-09 10:38 PM, Howard Gibson wrote: > On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:10:18 -0400 > Rajinder Yadav wrote: > > >> for those who might want to know >> >> Partimage does not support *ext4* or *btrfs* filesystems. >> >> does anyone know a good partition back app? >> > Rajinder, > > I was under the impression that any install CD or DVD can do a rescue. Fedora Core definitely boots an OS from the DVD, and gives you command line access. Howard, for some reason I can never get the LiveCD working for Kubuntu, so I always opt out for the alternative console install cd. However I was able to boot into console mode using SystemRescueCD, in fact I can boot into X, still I was not able to save my system. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 04:52:10 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:52:10 -0400 Subject: "Free" course from O'Reilly... Message-ID: This evening at the Greater Toronto Area Linux user group meeting I was mentioning a course that O'Reilly is running for "free". The course is free, but the equipment isn't, the course outline is below. 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As a kid, I was the third least popular kid in school (of ~650). Only when I stopped giving a damn did I finally figure out how to be happy. It's also when I came out of my shell and start going and and doing things. Been uphill since then. Perhaps some of the same might help you? -- Digimer E-Mail: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 05:09:57 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 01:09:57 -0400 Subject: "Free" course from O'Reilly... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C6230A5.8080803@alteeve.com> On 10-08-11 12:52 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > This evening at the Greater Toronto Area Linux user group meeting I was > mentioning a course that O'Reilly is running for "free". The course is > free, but the equipment isn't, the course outline is below. The > equipment focuses around an Arduino Duemilanove, which is available from > a few sources in the GTA, among them Creatron (http://creatroninc.com/), > near College and Spadina, for $29.99. > > For myself, I have signed up for the course. I am curious as to how well > the whole distance learning thing will work, with an instructor on the > US west coast and me in Toronto. I will need a bit more than just the > Arduino Duemilanove, but not much more... At this point I see this as an > an interesting experiment in learning... > > If anyone else on the UU and/or GTALug lists signs up please let me know > as I would like to have some other local people to compare notes with.... > > Colin McGregor I won't be taking the course, but I have written software for the Arduino. Not sure if it will be of any use to you, but just in case: http://wiki.alteeve.com/index.php/NAOS_v1.1.4.x -- Digimer E-Mail: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 09:46:38 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 05:46:38 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: References: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810224946.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 05:50:02PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: >>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Lennart Sorensen >>> wrote: >>> > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 05:25:03PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: >>> >> Is there some reason that doing using select does not see the data >>> >> coming to a udp socket that is not connected, but is bound and is >>> >> listening. >>> >> >>> >> I am broadcasting data to the socket. I have confirmed that if I don't >>> >> use select that it receives data. >>> >> >>> >> What I am trying to do is synchronize multiple linux embedded systems >>> >> to within 10ms. My thought is to use a UDP broadcast to start the >>> >> synchronization then use the internal clocks. If anyone has any >>> >> interesting ideas I'm open to suggestions. >>> > >>> > Have you heard of ntp? ?It does just that, and way more accurately, >>> > and is done by people that understand time synchronization. ?Don't try >>> > to reinvent a wheel, when you don't know how a wheel works. >>> > >>> >>> That was pleasant .... if ntp worked I would use it. Yes it will >>> synchronize the clocks but then what do you do. >> >> OK, and if you explained why ntp doesn't work, that might get better >> answers. ?If you ask for timesync and don't say ntp doesn't work, then >> you get stupid answers (like mine). > > Agreed > >> >>> Lets say you want to do something on the same ?125ms on multiple >>> machines. Your first problem is getting a starting point. One would >>> think you could just do gettimeofday until you get to the 0th >>> millisecond of the second, however you quickly find out that >>> gettimeofday can't be called that quickly. So how do you set the start >>> point ? I have thought about this a little more than your flippant >>> response. >> >> It's just that it can be hard to predict the variability in the network >> stack and even the network. ?ntp does lots of complicated things (that >> I sure don't understand in any detail) to compensate for that. ?Now a >> more complicated solution that is apparently even better is ieee1588, >> but that tends to require hardware support to work. > > I can control the network, I'm not trying to solve the general case. >> >> gettimeofday is an "expensive" system call. ?Best not to use that. >> >> Now are you just trying to set the clock once and then let it run with >> whatever crappy accuracy the system clock has or do you intend to update >> it regularly and try to maintain the drift on the system clock? >> >> Now when you say syncrhonize, it just occoured to me that perhaps you >> don't care what time it is, but are in fact trying to get multiple >> machines to work in sync with each other on some problem. > > Yes, this is what I want to do. At this point this is an experiment to > see what can be done. > That's rather >> tricky since linux isn't real time and only ever promises to delay at >> least as long as you ask for. ?It doesn't do 'trigger at this time' >> unless you start using some interrupt source for it. ?On x86 you can >> do something like that using /dev/rtc, which I have seen mplayer and >> a few other things use. ?It allowes you to get woken up at a regular >> consistent interval to do something. ?If you ran the rtc at 1024hz >> (as mplayer often does I believe), that would certainly allow you to be >> within 10ms, and in fact close to 1ms. After all if you had each machine >> check every rtc event if they received a start message yet and kept doing >> that (1024 times per second) until they received the message, then you >> would know you are within 1 or 2 ms of the receive time of the packet >> (whether that is anywhere near the send time depends on your network >> and such, but in general it should be). ?If you then keep waking up on >> the event and keep a count, then you can do your event at the interval >> you want, as long as it is a multiple of the rtc interval. >> So this was a bust. The rtc on this board a ts7260 cannot generate interrupts :( The chip itself has an rtc and some internal timers that could generate interrupts. The question still remains how to get them synchronized to the same place in time. Using a udp message which would arrive roughly at the same time to all devices still seems plausible ? Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 13:29:09 2010 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:29:09 -0400 Subject: local imap server on my laptop Message-ID: hi, i'm getting fed up ith evolution and thinking about switching to thunderbird for mail, but thunderbird doesn't read Maildir folders (!) which i currently use with wanderlust in emacs (i split my time btwn emacs and the outside world). One solution would be to run an IMAP server that tells just interprets the maildirs for tbird, but my laptop, though quite new, is already starting to groan and creak under the weight of all the stuff I run. Can osmeone reocmmend a really lightweight imap server that isn't too hard ot set up? I just need to serve one user's folders, mostly my archived mail, which is all saved together in a giant folder, so ithere are no complex structures or anything. Easy to set up and administer is a plus, too. thanks a million! matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 13:44:20 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:44:20 -0400 Subject: local imap server on my laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C62A934.2010402@dinamis.com> On 08/11/2010 09:29 AM, Matt Price wrote: > hi, > > i'm getting fed up ith evolution and thinking about switching to > thunderbird for mail, but thunderbird doesn't read Maildir folders (!) > which i currently use with wanderlust in emacs (i split my time btwn > emacs and the outside world). One solution would be to run an IMAP > server that tells just interprets the maildirs for tbird, but my laptop, > though quite new, is already starting to groan and creak under the > weight of all the stuff I run. Can osmeone reocmmend a really > lightweight imap server that isn't too hard ot set up? I just need to > serve one user's folders, mostly my archived mail, which is all saved > together in a giant folder, so ithere are no complex structures or > anything. > > Easy to set up and administer is a plus, too. thanks a million! Dovecot. Fast, easy, and lightweight. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 13:50:31 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:50:31 -0400 Subject: local imap server on my laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C62AAA7.9060001@rogers.com> I run the WU imap server on my main system. Matt Price wrote: > hi, > > i'm getting fed up ith evolution and thinking about switching to > thunderbird for mail, but thunderbird doesn't read Maildir folders (!) > which i currently use with wanderlust in emacs (i split my time btwn > emacs and the outside world). One solution would be to run an IMAP > server that tells just interprets the maildirs for tbird, but my > laptop, though quite new, is already starting to groan and creak under > the weight of all the stuff I run. Can osmeone reocmmend a really > lightweight imap server that isn't too hard ot set up? I just need to > serve one user's folders, mostly my archived mail, which is all saved > together in a giant folder, so ithere are no complex structures or > anything. > > Easy to set up and administer is a plus, too. thanks a million! > > matt > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 14:37:44 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:37:44 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: <20100811032210.GA4515-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5C3E92.9020704@mandamus.org> <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> <20100811032210.GA4515@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20100811143744.GD2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:22:10PM -0400, William Park wrote: > As I was browsing "TV tuner" section, I noticed that practically all are > PCI-E x 1. And, another thing I noticed is all the specs only mentioned > "input" to these cards. But, I want to watch TV on TV. So, where is > "output"? Do I connect the TV to my graphic card, or these "TV tuner" > cards? Except for the PVR-350 (that I know of), the answer has always been that output is from your graphics card. For HDTV that is actually simple these days given DVI to HDMI is a trivial cable. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 14:42:08 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:42:08 -0400 Subject: local imap server on my laptop In-Reply-To: <4C62AAA7.9060001-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C62AAA7.9060001@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20100811144208.GE2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 09:50:31AM -0400, James Knott wrote: > I run the WU imap server on my main system. Eww. Courier is decent, uw-imap is awful. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 14:46:21 2010 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:46:21 -0400 Subject: local imap server on my laptop In-Reply-To: <4C62A934.2010402-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4C62A934.2010402@dinamis.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:44 AM, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On 08/11/2010 09:29 AM, Matt Price wrote: > >> hi, >> >> i'm getting fed up ith evolution and thinking about switching to >> thunderbird for mail, but thunderbird doesn't read Maildir folders (!) >> which i currently use with wanderlust in emacs (i split my time btwn >> emacs and the outside world). One solution would be to run an IMAP >> server that tells just interprets the maildirs for tbird, but my laptop, >> though quite new, is already starting to groan and creak under the >> weight of all the stuff I run. Can osmeone reocmmend a really >> lightweight imap server that isn't too hard ot set up? I just need to >> serve one user's folders, mostly my archived mail, which is all saved >> together in a giant folder, so ithere are no complex structures or >> anything. >> >> Easy to set up and administer is a plus, too. thanks a million! >> > > Dovecot. Fast, easy, and lightweight. > thx clifford. I am trying to set it up and i think i have it working, but it's not clear to me how to get thunderbird to connect to the local server. Does anyone out there know how to get any graphical mua, but especially thunderbird, to connect to a local imap server using the unix authentication methods? I;m not sure how to do it, the thunderbird config panels are a little sparse and uncommunicative. Thanks much, matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 14:47:02 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:47:02 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: References: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810224946.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100811144702.GF2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 07:52:59PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 05:50:02PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Lennart Sorensen > >> wrote: > >> > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 05:25:03PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > >> >> Is there some reason that doing using select does not see the data > >> >> coming to a udp socket that is not connected, but is bound and is > >> >> listening. > >> >> > >> >> I am broadcasting data to the socket. I have confirmed that if I don't > >> >> use select that it receives data. > >> >> > >> >> What I am trying to do is synchronize multiple linux embedded systems > >> >> to within 10ms. My thought is to use a UDP broadcast to start the > >> >> synchronization then use the internal clocks. If anyone has any > >> >> interesting ideas I'm open to suggestions. > >> > > >> > Have you heard of ntp? ?It does just that, and way more accurately, > >> > and is done by people that understand time synchronization. ?Don't try > >> > to reinvent a wheel, when you don't know how a wheel works. > >> > > >> > >> That was pleasant .... if ntp worked I would use it. Yes it will > >> synchronize the clocks but then what do you do. > > > > OK, and if you explained why ntp doesn't work, that might get better > > answers. ?If you ask for timesync and don't say ntp doesn't work, then > > you get stupid answers (like mine). > > Agreed > > > > >> Lets say you want to do something on the same ?125ms on multiple > >> machines. Your first problem is getting a starting point. One would > >> think you could just do gettimeofday until you get to the 0th > >> millisecond of the second, however you quickly find out that > >> gettimeofday can't be called that quickly. So how do you set the start > >> point ? I have thought about this a little more than your flippant > >> response. > > > > It's just that it can be hard to predict the variability in the network > > stack and even the network. ?ntp does lots of complicated things (that > > I sure don't understand in any detail) to compensate for that. ?Now a > > more complicated solution that is apparently even better is ieee1588, > > but that tends to require hardware support to work. > > I can control the network, I'm not trying to solve the general case. > > > > gettimeofday is an "expensive" system call. ?Best not to use that. > > > > Now are you just trying to set the clock once and then let it run with > > whatever crappy accuracy the system clock has or do you intend to update > > it regularly and try to maintain the drift on the system clock? > > > > Now when you say syncrhonize, it just occoured to me that perhaps you > > don't care what time it is, but are in fact trying to get multiple > > machines to work in sync with each other on some problem. > > Yes, this is what I want to do. At this point this is an experiment to > see what can be done. > That's rather > > tricky since linux isn't real time and only ever promises to delay at > > least as long as you ask for. ?It doesn't do 'trigger at this time' > > unless you start using some interrupt source for it. ?On x86 you can > > do something like that using /dev/rtc, which I have seen mplayer and > > a few other things use. ?It allowes you to get woken up at a regular > > consistent interval to do something. ?If you ran the rtc at 1024hz > > (as mplayer often does I believe), that would certainly allow you to be > > within 10ms, and in fact close to 1ms. After all if you had each machine > > check every rtc event if they received a start message yet and kept doing > > that (1024 times per second) until they received the message, then you > > would know you are within 1 or 2 ms of the receive time of the packet > > (whether that is anywhere near the send time depends on your network > > and such, but in general it should be). ?If you then keep waking up on > > the event and keep a count, then you can do your event at the interval > > you want, as long as it is a multiple of the rtc interval. > > > Thanks, all good information. > > The hpet is another source of such timer events that might work. > > > > I think you want to forget about gettimeofday though for such things, > > and certainly forget sleep and such, and simply use one of the timer > > methods that allows you to request a specific frequency of wakeups, > > to ensure you are close enough to the desired time when you do youw work. > > > Thanks again. Do you have any timer sources? Do you want to do the sync from user space or kernel space? The rtc is just one possible source (although often x86 only). Have a look at: man 2 timer_create man 2 timer_settime Those allow creating a regularly scheduled timer that calls a function at a regular interval. It does allow fairly small timer intervals, so perhaps you could make it run every 1ms or so and see if that is good enough to do the job. So if every time the timer fires you do a non blocking read on your network socket to see if you got a start message, then you can start from there. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 15:03:03 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:03:03 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: <20100811144702.GF2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810224946.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100811144702.GF2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: > Do you have any timer sources? ?Do you want to do the sync from user > space or kernel space? Yes, I have timer resources including a very high resolution counter inside the arm chip itself, but it currently does not generate interrupts. If I have to I will go to kernel space. I expect I will have to but for now this is exploratory. > > The rtc is just one possible source (although often x86 only). > > Have a look at: > > man 2 timer_create > man 2 timer_settime > > Those allow creating a regularly scheduled timer that calls a function > at a regular interval. ?It does allow fairly small timer intervals, so > perhaps you could make it run every 1ms or so and see if that is good > enough to do the job. > > So if every time the timer fires you do a non blocking read on your > network socket to see if you got a start message, then you can start > from there. I only want to use the udp message to sync the timers every once a day or so. Other than that I just want to use the timers. I don't want to consume the bandwidth. Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 15:24:27 2010 From: el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:24:27 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: References: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810224946.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100811144702.GF2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Dave Cramer wrote: >> Do you have any timer sources? ?Do you want to do the sync from user >> space or kernel space? > > Yes, I have timer resources including a very high resolution counter > inside the arm chip itself, but it currently does not generate > interrupts. > > If I have to I will go to kernel space. I expect I will have to but > for now this is exploratory. > >> >> The rtc is just one possible source (although often x86 only). >> >> Have a look at: >> >> man 2 timer_create >> man 2 timer_settime >> >> Those allow creating a regularly scheduled timer that calls a function >> at a regular interval. ?It does allow fairly small timer intervals, so >> perhaps you could make it run every 1ms or so and see if that is good >> enough to do the job. >> >> So if every time the timer fires you do a non blocking read on your >> network socket to see if you got a start message, then you can start >> from there. > I only want to use the udp message to sync the timers every once a day > or so. Other than that I just want to use the timers. > > I don't want to consume the bandwidth. > You might still want to consider using NTP to synchronize all your devices' clocks with respect to each other, even if you don't have an external (i.e. Internet) reference. The risk of running without a proper reference would be that your whole network's time might drift (in unison, mind you) by a few ppm. If your reference already had a 'drift file', created by NTP to account for your system oscillator's drift, you could mitigate this by an order of magnitude. In any case, once your network was internally synchronized, you could then use local timer facilities to reliably refer to the local clock and be confident of response within O(ms). Cheers, Mike L -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 15:52:36 2010 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:52:36 -0400 Subject: local imap server on my laptop In-Reply-To: References: <4C62A934.2010402@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <201008111152.36556.amarjan@pobox.com> On August 11, 2010 10:46:21 am Matt Price wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:44 AM, CLIFFORD ILKAY > > thx clifford. I am trying to set it up and i think i have it working, but > it's not clear to me how to get thunderbird to connect to the local > server. Does anyone out there know how to get any graphical mua, but > especially thunderbird, to connect to a local imap server using the unix > authentication methods? I;m not sure how to do it, the thunderbird config > panels are a little sparse and uncommunicative. > > Thanks much, > > matt By default: - point it at localhost:143 (by default) - don't tell it to use any encryption or security stuff (unless you've specially enabled that in dovecot) - give it your unix credentials I don't have Thunderbird handy right now, but under KMail I tell it to use "Plain Text" authentication. If you can get Thunderbird working with a remote IMAP server, it really isn't any harder to get it working with a local one. Hope that's enough to get you started. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 16:14:55 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:14:55 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: References: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810224946.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100811161455.GG2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> > So this was a bust. The rtc on this board a ts7260 cannot generate interrupts :( > > The chip itself has an rtc and some internal timers that could > generate interrupts. > > The question still remains how to get them synchronized to the same > place in time. Using a udp message which would arrive roughly at the > same time to all devices still seems plausible ? How about this little example. It waits for a UDP message (anything at all) on port 5000, and when that happens it starts to print a message every 10 ticks, with a tick rate of 10ms, (so 10 times per second it does the print). I start it by doing: echo "Foo" | nc -u ipaddress 5000 -q 1 nc is netcat. Any other udp capable network connection should work too. -- Len Sorensen -------------- next part -------------- ALL = timer CFLAGS = -Wall LDFLAGS = -lrt all: $(ALL) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: timer.c Type: text/x-csrc Size: 1969 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 16:23:40 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:23:40 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: <20100811161455.GG2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810224946.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100811161455.GG2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100811162340.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:14:55PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > So this was a bust. The rtc on this board a ts7260 cannot generate interrupts :( > > > > The chip itself has an rtc and some internal timers that could > > generate interrupts. > > > > The question still remains how to get them synchronized to the same > > place in time. Using a udp message which would arrive roughly at the > > same time to all devices still seems plausible ? > > How about this little example. It waits for a UDP message (anything at > all) on port 5000, and when that happens it starts to print a message > every 10 ticks, with a tick rate of 10ms, (so 10 times per second it > does the print). > > I start it by doing: > > echo "Foo" | nc -u ipaddress 5000 -q 1 > > nc is netcat. Any other udp capable network connection should work too. By the way you can do a broadcast using something like: echo "Foo" | nc -b -u broadcastaddress 5000 -q 0 So if your network is 192.168.1.0/24 then do: echo "Foo" | nc -b -u 192.168.1.255s 5000 -q 0 -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 16:29:14 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:29:14 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: <20100811162340.GH2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810224946.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100811161455.GG2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100811162340.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100811162914.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:23:40PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:14:55PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > So this was a bust. The rtc on this board a ts7260 cannot generate interrupts :( > > > > > > The chip itself has an rtc and some internal timers that could > > > generate interrupts. > > > > > > The question still remains how to get them synchronized to the same > > > place in time. Using a udp message which would arrive roughly at the > > > same time to all devices still seems plausible ? > > > > How about this little example. It waits for a UDP message (anything at > > all) on port 5000, and when that happens it starts to print a message > > every 10 ticks, with a tick rate of 10ms, (so 10 times per second it > > does the print). > > > > I start it by doing: > > > > echo "Foo" | nc -u ipaddress 5000 -q 1 > > > > nc is netcat. Any other udp capable network connection should work too. > > By the way you can do a broadcast using something like: > > echo "Foo" | nc -b -u broadcastaddress 5000 -q 0 > > So if your network is 192.168.1.0/24 then do: > > echo "Foo" | nc -b -u 192.168.1.255s 5000 -q 0 Oops. Typo. echo "Foo" | nc -b -u 192.168.1.255 5000 -q 0 -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 17:01:06 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:01:06 -0400 Subject: Assistance reading java error logs Message-ID: Afternoon, We had a power outage yesterday and one of the application using tomcat as web server failed to come up this morning. I am in no way a java expert and hence tried to use google to figure out what happened. Unfortunately, I do not seem to have any luck getting a solution that way. I have a feeling it may require more innate java skills than I currently have at my disposal at the moment and hence this post. Would there be any helpful pointer to work from from below error log that I may be missing? Aug 11, 2010 12:11:37 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina load WARNING: Catalina.start using conf/server.xml: org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: The content of elements must consist of well-formed character data or markup. at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.parse(AbstractSAXParser.java:1231) at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.jaxp.SAXParserImpl$JAXPSAXParser.parse(SAXParserImpl.java:522) at org.apache.tomcat.util.digester.Digester.parse(Digester.java:1644) at org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.load(Catalina.java:521) at org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.start(Catalina.java:575) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597) at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.start(Bootstrap.java:288) at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:413) SEVERE: Parse Fatal Error at line 118 column 10: The content of elements must consist of well-formed character data or markup. org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: The content of elements must consist of well-formed character data or markup. at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.util.ErrorHandlerWrapper.createSAXParseException(ErrorHandlerWrapper.java:195) at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.util.ErrorHandlerWrapper.fatalError(ErrorHandlerWrapper.java:174) at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLErrorReporter.reportError(XMLErrorReporter.java:388) at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLScanner.reportFatalError(XMLScanner.java:1414) at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl$FragmentContentDriver.startOfMarkup(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:2606) at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl$FragmentContentDriver.next(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:2703) at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentScannerImpl.next(XMLDocumentScannerImpl.java:648) at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.scanDocument(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:511) at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(XML11Configuration.java:808) at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(XML11Configuration.java:737) at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XMLParser.parse(XMLParser.java:119) at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.parse(AbstractSAXParser.java:1205) at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.jaxp.SAXParserImpl$JAXPSAXParser.parse(SAXParserImpl.java:522) at org.apache.tomcat.util.digester.Digester.parse(Digester.java:1644) at org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.load(Catalina.java:521) at org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.start(Catalina.java:575) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597) at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.start(Bootstrap.java:288) at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:413) Aug 11, 2010 12:10:29 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina load Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 17:06:06 2010 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:06:06 -0700 Subject: Assistance reading java error logs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wild guess, but it looks like your config file managed to get corrupted. You're getting a parsing error from the XML parser. Part of your error message says "Parse Fatal Error at line 118 column 10", so that looks like a good place to start in conf/server.xml. Ian On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:01 AM, William Muriithi wrote: > Afternoon, > > We had a power outage yesterday and one of the application using > tomcat as web server failed to come up this morning. ?I am in no way a > java expert and hence tried to use google to figure out what happened. > > Unfortunately, ?I do not seem to have any luck getting a solution that > way. ?I have a feeling it may require more innate java skills than I > currently have at my disposal at the moment and hence this post. > Would there be any helpful pointer to work from from below error log > that I may be missing? > > > > Aug 11, 2010 12:11:37 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina load > WARNING: Catalina.start using conf/server.xml: > org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: The content of elements must consist of > well-formed character data or markup. > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.parse(AbstractSAXParser.java:1231) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.jaxp.SAXParserImpl$JAXPSAXParser.parse(SAXParserImpl.java:522) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.tomcat.util.digester.Digester.parse(Digester.java:1644) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.load(Catalina.java:521) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.start(Catalina.java:575) > ? ? ? ?at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) > ? ? ? ?at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) > ? ? ? ?at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) > ? ? ? ?at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.start(Bootstrap.java:288) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:413) > SEVERE: Parse Fatal Error at line 118 column 10: The content of > elements must consist of well-formed character data or markup. > org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: The content of elements must consist of > well-formed character data or markup. > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.util.ErrorHandlerWrapper.createSAXParseException(ErrorHandlerWrapper.java:195) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.util.ErrorHandlerWrapper.fatalError(ErrorHandlerWrapper.java:174) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLErrorReporter.reportError(XMLErrorReporter.java:388) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLScanner.reportFatalError(XMLScanner.java:1414) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl$FragmentContentDriver.startOfMarkup(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:2606) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl$FragmentContentDriver.next(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:2703) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentScannerImpl.next(XMLDocumentScannerImpl.java:648) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.scanDocument(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:511) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(XML11Configuration.java:808) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(XML11Configuration.java:737) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XMLParser.parse(XMLParser.java:119) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.parse(AbstractSAXParser.java:1205) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.jaxp.SAXParserImpl$JAXPSAXParser.parse(SAXParserImpl.java:522) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.tomcat.util.digester.Digester.parse(Digester.java:1644) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.load(Catalina.java:521) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.start(Catalina.java:575) > ? ? ? ?at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) > ? ? ? ?at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) > ? ? ? ?at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) > ? ? ? ?at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.start(Bootstrap.java:288) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:413) > Aug 11, 2010 12:10:29 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina load > > > > Regards, > > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 17:14:57 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:14:57 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: <20100811162914.GI2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810224946.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100811161455.GG2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100811162340.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100811162914.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100811171457.GJ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:29:14PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:23:40PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:14:55PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > > So this was a bust. The rtc on this board a ts7260 cannot generate interrupts :( > > > > > > > > The chip itself has an rtc and some internal timers that could > > > > generate interrupts. > > > > > > > > The question still remains how to get them synchronized to the same > > > > place in time. Using a udp message which would arrive roughly at the > > > > same time to all devices still seems plausible ? > > > > > > How about this little example. It waits for a UDP message (anything at > > > all) on port 5000, and when that happens it starts to print a message > > > every 10 ticks, with a tick rate of 10ms, (so 10 times per second it > > > does the print). > > > > > > I start it by doing: > > > > > > echo "Foo" | nc -u ipaddress 5000 -q 1 > > > > > > nc is netcat. Any other udp capable network connection should work too. > > > > By the way you can do a broadcast using something like: > > > > echo "Foo" | nc -b -u broadcastaddress 5000 -q 0 > > > > So if your network is 192.168.1.0/24 then do: > > > > echo "Foo" | nc -b -u 192.168.1.255s 5000 -q 0 > > Oops. Typo. > > echo "Foo" | nc -b -u 192.168.1.255 5000 -q 0 It might also be possible to get even more accurate sync by having the main call recvfrom in blocking mode, and start the timer when it receives the start message, rather than starting a completely non synced timer loop that just starts counting ticks whenit receives the start message. Here is a version that does that, plus a bit more cleanup. -- Len Sorensen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:01 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > Afternoon, > > We had a power outage yesterday and one of the application using > tomcat as web server failed to come up this morning. ?I am in no way a > java expert and hence tried to use google to figure out what happened. > > Unfortunately, ?I do not seem to have any luck getting a solution that > way. ?I have a feeling it may require more innate java skills than I > currently have at my disposal at the moment and hence this post. > Would there be any helpful pointer to work from from below error log > that I may be missing? > > > > Aug 11, 2010 12:11:37 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina load > WARNING: Catalina.start using conf/server.xml: > org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: The content of elements must consist of > well-formed character data or markup. > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.parse(AbstractSAXParser.java:1231) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.jaxp.SAXParserImpl$JAXPSAXParser.parse(SAXParserImpl.java:522) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.tomcat.util.digester.Digester.parse(Digester.java:1644) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.load(Catalina.java:521) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.start(Catalina.java:575) > ? ? ? ?at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) > ? ? ? ?at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) > ? ? ? ?at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) > ? ? ? ?at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.start(Bootstrap.java:288) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:413) > SEVERE: Parse Fatal Error at line 118 column 10: The content of > elements must consist of well-formed character data or markup. > org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: The content of elements must consist of > well-formed character data or markup. > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.util.ErrorHandlerWrapper.createSAXParseException(ErrorHandlerWrapper.java:195) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.util.ErrorHandlerWrapper.fatalError(ErrorHandlerWrapper.java:174) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLErrorReporter.reportError(XMLErrorReporter.java:388) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLScanner.reportFatalError(XMLScanner.java:1414) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl$FragmentContentDriver.startOfMarkup(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:2606) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl$FragmentContentDriver.next(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:2703) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentScannerImpl.next(XMLDocumentScannerImpl.java:648) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.scanDocument(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:511) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(XML11Configuration.java:808) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(XML11Configuration.java:737) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XMLParser.parse(XMLParser.java:119) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.parse(AbstractSAXParser.java:1205) > ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.jaxp.SAXParserImpl$JAXPSAXParser.parse(SAXParserImpl.java:522) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.tomcat.util.digester.Digester.parse(Digester.java:1644) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.load(Catalina.java:521) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.start(Catalina.java:575) > ? ? ? ?at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) > ? ? ? ?at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) > ? ? ? ?at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) > ? ? ? ?at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.start(Bootstrap.java:288) > ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:413) > Aug 11, 2010 12:10:29 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina load > > > > Regards, > > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 17:22:08 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:22:08 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: <20100811161455.GG2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810224946.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100811161455.GG2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Len, > How about this little example. ?It waits for a UDP message (anything at > all) on port 5000, and when that happens it starts to print a message > every 10 ticks, with a tick rate of 10ms, (so 10 times per second it > does the print). > > I start it by doing: > > echo "Foo" | nc -u ipaddress 5000 -q 1 > > nc is netcat. ?Any other udp capable network connection should work too. > Thanks for taking the time to write this, couple questions: 1) sock = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, 0); this seems to be a common mistake. it should be socket(BF_INET....) happens that AF_INET and BF_INET both = 2 Where does it do the read ? or does it block on the bind ? > -- > Len Sorensen > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 17:23:41 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:23:41 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: References: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810224946.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100811161455.GG2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Dave Cramer wrote: > Len, > >> How about this little example. ?It waits for a UDP message (anything at >> all) on port 5000, and when that happens it starts to print a message >> every 10 ticks, with a tick rate of 10ms, (so 10 times per second it >> does the print). >> >> I start it by doing: >> >> echo "Foo" | nc -u ipaddress 5000 -q 1 >> >> nc is netcat. ?Any other udp capable network connection should work too. >> > > Thanks for taking the time to write this, couple questions: > > 1) sock = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, 0); this seems to be a common > mistake. it should be socket(BF_INET....) happens that AF_INET and > BF_INET both = 2 Whoops PF_INET > > Where does it do the read ? or does it block on the bind ? > >> -- >> Len Sorensen >> > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 18:16:50 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:16:50 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Well, I am now 34 years old, still single after 24 years of trying to > get a first date, and have not received a birthday present in 20 > years; so not a happy birthday like usual.... Sigh... What can I say, being a geek can be lonely, but then most of us became geeks because we are better dealing with machines than people... You may have heard the quote attributed to former US President Harry Truman "Want a friend in Washington? Get a dog." (I gather there is some question as to if Truman ever said the proceeding, but ... sounds good). Regardless I would suggest that it sounds like you need to find a friend, one with 2 or 4 legs. For myself I have a cat, who, well, can be a friend ... sometimes ... on her terms ... Let me also suggest that you start connecting with some non-geeks... Some of the GTALug folks are involved in the local amateur theater scene, others are in "mainstream" religious communities, others gourmet food / beer / wine, among other things. It can be a bit hard to expand beyond just the geek community, but it does help keep things in perspective. Colin. > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 18:34:03 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:34:03 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: References: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810224946.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100811161455.GG2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100811183403.GK2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 01:22:08PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > Len, > > > How about this little example. ?It waits for a UDP message (anything at > > all) on port 5000, and when that happens it starts to print a message > > every 10 ticks, with a tick rate of 10ms, (so 10 times per second it > > does the print). > > > > I start it by doing: > > > > echo "Foo" | nc -u ipaddress 5000 -q 1 > > > > nc is netcat. ?Any other udp capable network connection should work too. > > > > Thanks for taking the time to write this, couple questions: > > 1) sock = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, 0); this seems to be a common > mistake. it should be socket(BF_INET....) happens that AF_INET and > BF_INET both = 2 > > Where does it do the read ? or does it block on the bind ? Sorry it should be PF_INET, not AF_INET (nor BF_INET). The read is recvfrom after the select. It doesn't care what the message is, just that it receives one as a start trigger. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 18:37:36 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: <20100811143744.GD2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5C3E92.9020704@mandamus.org> <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> <20100811032210.GA4515@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100811143744.GD2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <848629.90910.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:22:10PM -0400, William Park wrote: > > As I was browsing "TV tuner" section, I noticed that practically all are > > PCI-E x 1. And, another thing I noticed is all the specs only mentioned > > "input" to these cards. But, I want to watch TV on TV. So, where is > > "output"? Do I connect the TV to my graphic card, or these "TV tuner" > > cards? > > Except for the PVR-350 (that I know of), the answer has always been that > output is from your graphics card. > > For HDTV that is actually simple these days given DVI to HDMI is a > trivial cable. Okey. I thought those cards were just a barebone version of TV tuner/converter box, where we provide the case and the power supply. If output is going out through graphic card, is "integrate graphic chip" sufficient? Or, do I need separate graphic card? -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 18:22:48 2010 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:22:48 +0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C62EA78.3020402@gmail.com> Colin, "most of us became geeks because we are better dealing with machines than people" Wrong. It goes the way around. We are geeks (actually, I am not) because others are narrow minded and do not understand us. ;) Michael is a special case and should find at least a cat for companion. Perhaps girl-friend would be better, but for the begening I would rather recommend a female cat. She will wake him out at 5 am every day, asking for food. TLUG is a place of discussions for people who have IQ at least 99 (there are probably exceptions; mine is around 130). The problem is broader than discussions on technical matters. I am strongly involved in a lot of arguments thorwing on entirely different subjects, more political, in other languages than English, and the problem there is exactly the same: degenerated by the system minds of people. Colin McGregor wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > >> Well, I am now 34 years old, still single after 24 years of trying to >> get a first date, and have not received a birthday present in 20 >> years; so not a happy birthday like usual.... >> > > Sigh... > > What can I say, being a geek can be lonely, but then most of us became > geeks because we are better dealing with machines than people... You > may have heard the quote attributed to former US President Harry > Truman "Want a friend in Washington? Get a dog." (I gather there is > some question as to if Truman ever said the proceeding, but ... sounds > good). Regardless I would suggest that it sounds like you need to find > a friend, one with 2 or 4 legs. For myself I have a cat, who, well, > can be a friend ... sometimes ... on her terms ... > > Let me also suggest that you start connecting with some non-geeks... > Some of the GTALug folks are involved in the local amateur theater > scene, others are in "mainstream" religious communities, others > gourmet food / beer / wine, among other things. It can be a bit hard > to expand beyond just the geek community, but it does help keep things > in perspective. > > > Colin. > > >> -- >> Sincerely, >> >> Michael Lauzon >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 18:50:08 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:50:08 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100811185008.GL2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 02:16:50PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > What can I say, being a geek can be lonely, but then most of us became > geeks because we are better dealing with machines than people... You > may have heard the quote attributed to former US President Harry > Truman "Want a friend in Washington? Get a dog." (I gather there is > some question as to if Truman ever said the proceeding, but ... sounds > good). Regardless I would suggest that it sounds like you need to find > a friend, one with 2 or 4 legs. For myself I have a cat, who, well, > can be a friend ... sometimes ... on her terms ... Well I am married (7 and a half years now) to another geek (possibly more than me in fact). We also have 3 cats, so I understand that bit too. So there are women out there for some of us geeky men. It really helps to be respectful of women, which unfortunately seems to be a problem for a portion of geeky men. After all, who wants to be around someone that doesn't respect them? > Let me also suggest that you start connecting with some non-geeks... > Some of the GTALug folks are involved in the local amateur theater > scene, others are in "mainstream" religious communities, others > gourmet food / beer / wine, among other things. It can be a bit hard > to expand beyond just the geek community, but it does help keep things > in perspective. Certainly having only a single hobby which is also your occupation might not be very successful. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 18:55:11 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:55:11 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: <848629.90910.qm-XyciXz+oX7iORdMXk8NaZPu2YVrzzGjVVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5C3E92.9020704@mandamus.org> <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> <20100811032210.GA4515@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100811143744.GD2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <848629.90910.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100811185511.GM2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:37:36AM -0700, William Park wrote: > Okey. I thought those cards were just a barebone version of TV tuner/converter > box, where we provide the case and the power supply. If output is going out > through graphic card, is "integrate graphic chip" sufficient? Or, do I need > separate The tuner card plugs in the computer and receives the TV signal (antenna or cable or svideo or composite as appropriate) and lets the computer record the video to a file. Some external boxes support component as well. Their job is to receive TV, nothing else. Output is the graphics cards job, whether built in or add in card. > graphic card? If your TV has VGA in, or the integrated video has DVI or HDMI, then an HDTV should be fine with integrated graphics. Some graphics chips have better video decoding accaleration in linux than others (nvidia generally being excellent, although I think newer intels aren't too bad, I haven't tried one). If you aren't using HDTV, then some onboard do have SVIDEO or composite, although most do not, so that won't work well at all. Many add in graphics cards do have such support. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 19:25:03 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:25:03 -0400 Subject: Assistance reading java error logs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lan and Dave On 11 August 2010 13:15, Dave Cramer wrote: > You have an error in the xml in conf/server.xml > > try using an editor which verifies xml and read the file. > Unfortunately there is no line number. Thanks a lot. Yeah, it was server.xml issue. One very odd error. I would never have guessed it since it have been working all along well. I had to download a fresh server.xml, apply the host specific changes manually and it just came up. William > > Dave > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:01 PM, William Muriithi > wrote: >> Afternoon, >> >> We had a power outage yesterday and one of the application using >> tomcat as web server failed to come up this morning. ?I am in no way a >> java expert and hence tried to use google to figure out what happened. >> >> Unfortunately, ?I do not seem to have any luck getting a solution that >> way. ?I have a feeling it may require more innate java skills than I >> currently have at my disposal at the moment and hence this post. >> Would there be any helpful pointer to work from from below error log >> that I may be missing? >> >> >> >> Aug 11, 2010 12:11:37 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina load >> WARNING: Catalina.start using conf/server.xml: >> org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: The content of elements must consist of >> well-formed character data or markup. >> ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.parse(AbstractSAXParser.java:1231) >> ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.jaxp.SAXParserImpl$JAXPSAXParser.parse(SAXParserImpl.java:522) >> ? ? ? ?at org.apache.tomcat.util.digester.Digester.parse(Digester.java:1644) >> ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.load(Catalina.java:521) >> ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.start(Catalina.java:575) >> ? ? ? ?at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) >> ? ? ? ?at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) >> ? ? ? ?at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) >> ? ? ? ?at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597) >> ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.start(Bootstrap.java:288) >> ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:413) >> SEVERE: Parse Fatal Error at line 118 column 10: The content of >> elements must consist of well-formed character data or markup. >> org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: The content of elements must consist of >> well-formed character data or markup. >> ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.util.ErrorHandlerWrapper.createSAXParseException(ErrorHandlerWrapper.java:195) >> ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.util.ErrorHandlerWrapper.fatalError(ErrorHandlerWrapper.java:174) >> ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLErrorReporter.reportError(XMLErrorReporter.java:388) >> ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLScanner.reportFatalError(XMLScanner.java:1414) >> ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl$FragmentContentDriver.startOfMarkup(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:2606) >> ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl$FragmentContentDriver.next(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:2703) >> ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentScannerImpl.next(XMLDocumentScannerImpl.java:648) >> ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.scanDocument(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:511) >> ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(XML11Configuration.java:808) >> ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(XML11Configuration.java:737) >> ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XMLParser.parse(XMLParser.java:119) >> ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.parse(AbstractSAXParser.java:1205) >> ? ? ? ?at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.jaxp.SAXParserImpl$JAXPSAXParser.parse(SAXParserImpl.java:522) >> ? ? ? ?at org.apache.tomcat.util.digester.Digester.parse(Digester.java:1644) >> ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.load(Catalina.java:521) >> ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.start(Catalina.java:575) >> ? ? ? ?at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) >> ? ? ? ?at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) >> ? ? ? ?at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) >> ? ? ? ?at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597) >> ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.start(Bootstrap.java:288) >> ? ? ? ?at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:413) >> Aug 11, 2010 12:10:29 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina load >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> William >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 19:27:32 2010 From: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Clive DaSilva) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:27:32 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C62F9A4.7080008@iprimus.ca> On 8/11/2010 12:15 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Well, I am now 34 years old, still single after 24 years of trying to > get a first date, and have not received a birthday present in 20 > years; so not a happy birthday like usual.... > You need a Facebook account. Michael :)) -- Clive DaSilva Tel: 416-421-2480 Cell: 416-560-8820 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 19:51:45 2010 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:51:45 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: <4C62F9A4.7080008-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4C62F9A4.7080008@iprimus.ca> Message-ID: > On 8/11/2010 12:15 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: and have not received a birthday present in 20 years; so not a happy birthday like usual.... When I was a kid we relied on something called The Mail for communication. I recall complaining to my mother that I hadn't received a letter in a long time. Mom was unsympathetic. 'Well, how many did you write?' she asked. Just a thought... Peter -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 19:59:05 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:59:05 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: <4C62F9A4.7080008@iprimus.ca> Message-ID: <4C630109.8070903@rogers.com> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> On 8/11/2010 12:15 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: >> > and have not received a birthday present in 20 years; so not a happy > birthday like usual.... > > When I was a kid we relied on something called The Mail for communication. > I recall complaining to my mother that I hadn't received a letter in a > long time. Mom was unsympathetic. 'Well, how many did you write?' she > asked. > > Just a thought... > > Peter > > Mail? Letter?? What's that??? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jane-UlHtTOpGojasTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 20:32:41 2010 From: jane-UlHtTOpGojasTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Jane Heath) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 16:32:41 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Michael, I've reading a great book called Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor E. Frankl that you might find useful. Here's a quote: "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life ? daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." - Viktor Frankl Birthdays and presents used to mean a lot to me until I realized it's not the material things that mattered but who you can call at 3am crying over failed relationships. Heck, I used to think that if I can just find the right person, then I will be happy, but the truth is, no one can really make you happy except for yourself, and it's the little things that you do for yourself every single minute of every day that counts. Our value of self must come from within, for if it's external, then we have lost the ability to control our own lives and our own happiness. Life is not fair, and it's not meant to be, but you will always have the freedom to choose how you deal with situations, no matter how painful they may be at the time. There are lots of good suggestions from folks here. We are geeks, yes, but we can choose what lives we live. Taking care of pets, social clubs, sports, etc are all ways you can use to express yourself. So, for what it's worth, happy birthday, you are not alone, there are people that cares. :) Jane On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Well, I am now 34 years old, still single after 24 years of trying to > get a first date, and have not received a birthday present in 20 > years; so not a happy birthday like usual.... > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 21:30:01 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:30:01 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Well, I am now 34 years old, still single after 24 years of trying to > get a first date, and have not received a birthday present in 20 > years; so not a happy birthday like usual.... I can't say I have any greatly useful insights on "first dates;" while I've had a few of those, and some rather-past-first-dates [indeed, the last instance of such has been arguably 'stalking' a little bit, with the happy-to-me aspect that she's moved from being out-of-town to a particular province afar off that I have reason not to want to revisit :-)], the successes have never been tied to the perfection of The First Date. With anything that's actually *worked*, the "first date" wasn't something either of us thought was any big deal. (I could be wrong, of course; things never got sufficiently world-changing to progress way onwards. But I still don't think the NonCapitalization of the First Date was the root of the problem.) The harder the pressure you put on such things, and the more that They're a Big Deal Worthy of Capitalizing Words, the less likely that there'll be any useful result. If you're not happy enough with your birthday *without* The Relationship, then it's pretty unlikely that it would be terribly happy with The Relationship. That fits pretty well with Digimer's comments; you need to accept yourself as being OK *without* "Her Validation" before you can be comfortable enough about yourself to be able to progress in any such direction. How to go about "accepting yourself as OK" is an enormously personal matter; I do not remotely know how to determine what that involves for you. Presents and First Dates are symbols of deeper things, and that's where you would explore, if you dare. It may hurt to do so, but it's likely to hurt more not to. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 21:57:46 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: <20100811185511.GM2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5C3E92.9020704@mandamus.org> <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> <20100811032210.GA4515@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100811143744.GD2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <848629.90910.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100811185511.GM2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | If you aren't using HDTV, then some onboard do have SVIDEO | or composite, although most do not, so that won't work well at all. | Many add in graphics cards do have such support. Analogue video support ("TV out") doesn't seem to be available in newer cards. I presume that this is because analogue video devices are being phased out expecially in the US. You cannot buy an analogue-only TV; VCRs are considered a joke; camcoders are digital (even if some can do analogue out). The AMD chips in AMD 5xxx cards are not able to do analogue. I don't remember whether the previous generation, the 4xxx could (I think not). nVidia is probably similar. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 22:16:28 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:16:28 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: References: <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> <20100811032210.GA4515@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100811143744.GD2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <848629.90910.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100811185511.GM2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100811221628.GN2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 05:57:46PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Analogue video support ("TV out") doesn't seem to be available in newer > cards. I presume that this is because analogue video devices are being > phased out expecially in the US. You cannot buy an analogue-only TV; VCRs > are considered a joke; camcoders are digital (even if some can do analogue > out). > > The AMD chips in AMD 5xxx cards are not able to do analogue. I don't > remember whether the previous generation, the 4xxx could (I think not). > > nVidia is probably similar. My 8600GT has composite and svideo (NTSC) and component (in HD only), output. I guess an 8600 is a couple of generations old by now though. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 11 22:51:38 2010 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:51:38 +0000 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:16:50 -0400 > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: I Am Now 34.... > From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > > Well, I am now 34 years old, still single after 24 years of trying to > > get a first date, and have not received a birthday present in 20 > > years; so not a happy birthday like usual.... > > Sigh... > Let me also suggest that you start connecting with some non-geeks... > Some of the GTALug folks are involved in the local amateur theater > scene, others are in "mainstream" religious communities, others > gourmet food / beer / wine, among other things. It can be a bit hard > to expand beyond just the geek community, but it does help keep things > in perspective. > > > Colin. > Throughout most of my teens, I seldom went out on what we consider a traditional date. Instead, I frequently went out with a group of people. Sometimes with a small group of family friends, sometimes with large groups of friends mixed in with acquaintances and even people I didn't know. Sometimes it was a barrel of laughs, sometimes it was just OK. But I always went along. Typically, these friends were of mixed gender, but no-one considered these outings to be dates. Something interesting happened. Quite a large number of these friends later in life married from within the group or extended group. Life is funny that way, sometimes things just happen. I married outside of the group, but I think that's OK too. I occasionally think back at how great those times were - no pressures for dates, no expectations, just going out for plain fun. I don't think it's too late to do what Colin is suggesting above, but do it for fun and without expectations. Will it result in birthday presents and first dates? I haven't any idea, don't have the proper credentials for that prediction, but you're likely to have fun. One more thing... I wouldn't advertise to friends that you've never had a date and have unhappy birthdays. Just my opinion. "Well, I am now 34 years old, still single after 24 years of trying to get a first date" By the way, what would you have done if you had gotten that date at 10 yrs old :-)? John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 12 13:24:24 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:24:24 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: A MythTV building workshop? In-Reply-To: References: <4C5C3E92.9020704@mandamus.org> <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:50 AM, aaron wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 18:07, Edgar Sigal wrote: >> Has a date been set for the workshop. >> I would like to attend. >> > > 6:00pm on August 26. > > ...someone please correct me if I'm wrong because that's when I'm > planning to show up :) > > aaron You are right... This will be in the FreeGeek warehouse space at 51 Vine Ave., Unit B, August 26th at 6:00 PM. The warehouse is a short walk north of Dundas Ave. W., west of Keele. By TTC, for most people the best route would be to go to Keele Subway station, then take a northbound Keele bus to Dundas St. W. then walk north to Vine Ave.. Remember that Dundas Street does go north of Bloor for a little while, and FreeGeek is in the area where Dundas is north of Bloor... Also, the FreeGeek space is somewhat limited, so the person co-ordinating things so the space doesn't get overwhelmed is Mr. Ushnish Sengupta . Anyone interested in attending the MythTV build workshop needs to drop Ushnish a note asking him to reserve a spot for you... Colin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 12 15:52:56 2010 From: avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Volkov) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:52:56 -0400 Subject: Hello everyone. Message-ID: <1281628376.2576.1.camel@alex-laptop.vlk.int> I'm Alex from this Tuesday tlug meeting and beer drinking, hopefully someone remembers me (and those who do, remember me not too well). Anyhow, I'll be hanging out at linucaffe on Friday at about 8pm, and it's always nice to see familiar faces, so if anyone would like to join up -- please do. Alex. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 12 18:48:50 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MyTTC Message-ID: Afternoon. Someone posted this Toronto site on an Aussie LUG list (http:/www.humbug.org.au) as a good example of what they want to setup there. This site is news to me so I thought I'd post it. http://www.ideasintransit.org/wiki/MyTTC Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 12 18:45:00 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:45:00 -0400 Subject: MyTTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Really? MyTTC has saved my newcomer ass a handful of times when I arrived. Now I'm used enough to the TTC to figure out the best route looking at Google Maps instead. - FZ On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 14:48, Robert Brockway wrote: > Afternoon. ?Someone posted this Toronto site on an Aussie LUG list > (http:/www.humbug.org.au) as a good example of what they want to setup > there. > > This site is news to me so I thought I'd post it. > > http://www.ideasintransit.org/wiki/MyTTC > > Cheers, > > Rob > > -- > Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org ? ? ? ? Linux counter ID #16440 > IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) > Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com > Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 12 19:13:38 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: cheapish PCIe card with TV-out [was Re: Re: A MythTV building workshop?] In-Reply-To: <20100811221628.GN2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4C5C7AF7.9090005@mandamus.org> <20100811032210.GA4515@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100811143744.GD2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <848629.90910.qm@web110811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100811185511.GM2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100811221628.GN2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 05:57:46PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > Analogue video support ("TV out") doesn't seem to be available in newer | > cards. | My 8600GT has composite and svideo (NTSC) and component (in HD only), | output. I guess an 8600 is a couple of generations old by now though. Here is a cheap deal ($24.99 today, 28.99 otherwise, free delivery in GTA) for a PCI-e card that will do S-Video out. I don't think that the performance will be great. It might well be sufficient. This is fanless. No HDMI out. It comes with plates to allow it to be full height or low profile. I figured this out from the Newegg listing (Zotac's site isn't helpful). If you don't need analogue-out (and perhaps even if you do) there are likely better options. For instance, I just bought a fanless Radeon HD 5450 card for about $10 more (but it involved a rebate). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 12 21:57:31 2010 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: $200 (US) PC... In-Reply-To: <20100727002340.GA10344-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100727002340.GA10344@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <453885.58500.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 7/26/10, William Park wrote: > From: William Park > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: $200 (US) PC... > To: "tlug" > Received: Monday, July 26, 2010, 8:23 PM > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 06:06:07PM > -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > > Thanks to the slashdot.org news website, I ran across > the following > > story about building a $200 (U.S.) PC: > > > > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2366841,00.asp > > > > In building the PC they did not include a keyboard, > mouse or display > > in the budget. Interesting to see where else they cut > costs. The > > people who did the above make no secret of their > fondness for MS > > Windows, but they note that they could not do MS > Windows and hit their > > price point target, so, Ubuntu Linux was the OS used. > Also, to cut > > costs they didn't include an optical drive and instead > installed from > > a USB memory key... > > > > Interesting article on budget PC building... > > You can do that here in Canada, too. > > -- > William > I just got an HP G62 with 3G RAM, 320G HDD and AMD P320 CPU for cd$400. With such price on the market, the saving will not be worth the effort ... specially if one finds the preloaded Windows 7 useful. EK > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 12 22:17:53 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:17:53 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Well, I am now 34 years old, still single after 24 years of trying to > get a first date, and have not received a birthday present in 20 > years; so not a happy birthday like usual.... > I used to work with a guy who was about your age and in the same situation. His problem was that he was really nice and not aggressive or confident, and a lot of girls thought he made a good friend, which of course is absolutely awful for a man. He was the guy who girls would complain to about their boyfriend and then go back to their boyfriend. He remained hopeful, and kept a positive outlook. He socialized with a lot of different people, as others on here suggested, went to things like dance classes and stuff that maybe a lot of people would think was kinda weird. Square dancing, d00d. He went to SQUARE DANCING. I looked him up on Facebook a few days ago, and he's married with children now. So, there ya go. Who knows. Just remember, if you keep doing what you've already tried, you'll keep getting the same result, and no one has ever died from rejection. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 12 22:27:48 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:27:48 -0400 Subject: $200 (US) PC... In-Reply-To: <453885.58500.qm-NWMjBxHN3nH5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20100727002340.GA10344@node1.opengeometry.net> <453885.58500.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100812222748.GR2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 02:57:31PM -0700, E K wrote: > I just got an HP G62 with 3G RAM, 320G HDD and AMD P320 CPU for cd$400. With such price on the market, the saving will not be worth the effort ... specially if one finds the preloaded Windows 7 useful. Some of us want quality reliable hardware though. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 13 19:56:40 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MyTTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Fabio FZero wrote: > Really? MyTTC has saved my newcomer ass a handful of times when I > arrived. Now I'm used enough to the TTC to figure out the best route > looking at Google Maps instead. I've always used the oh-so-user-friendly TTC site ;) Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 13 20:12:43 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Thomas Milne wrote: > He socialized with a lot of different people, as others on here > suggested, went to things like dance classes and stuff that maybe a > lot of people would think was kinda weird. Square dancing, d00d. He > went to SQUARE DANCING. Hey I've done square dancing! :) Seriously, it is harder than it looks (it can get very technical) and is a lot of fun. I even met a girl at square dancing once we went out for a while :) Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gwalsh-BSvtlmuW8nk at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 13 21:40:26 2010 From: gwalsh-BSvtlmuW8nk at public.gmane.org (Gary Walsh) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:40:26 -0400 Subject: Google Nexus One In-Reply-To: References: <1279755210.2730.31.camel@blackie> Message-ID: <1281735626.8029.14.camel@blackie> On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 21:45 -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Where on yonge did you buy it and how much for? Do you still have > it..just curious the pricing? > I bought it at a place called Noori, just south of Gerrard. I think they only had the one. With tax it came to about $680. I sold it to someone else on this list and I bought another one direct from Google, just before they stopped selling them. You can still buy one if you register as a developer, but apparently not the model that works on Roger, Bell, Telus 3G which is what I have now. > -- Gary -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 13 21:33:24 2010 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:33:24 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 13 August 2010 16:12, Robert Brockway wrote: > Hey I've done square dancing! :) ?Seriously, it is harder than it looks [...] If square (a two dimensional object) dancing is too difficult, you could drop a dimension and try line dancing ;-) -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 13 23:17:57 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:17:57 -0400 Subject: MyTTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Fabio FZero wrote: > >> Really? MyTTC has saved my newcomer ass a handful of times when I >> arrived. Now I'm used enough to the TTC to figure out the best route >> looking at Google Maps instead. > > I've always used the oh-so-user-friendly TTC site ;) Funny how we find / stick to tools... I wasn't aware of the MyTTC site, but then I've lived in Toronto for enough years that most places I already know well enough that I don't need the services of a guide and for the parts of the city I don't know well I will turn to a TTC map (from the TTC web site or a printed guide...). In other words, the MyTTC site is nicely done / slick, but I don't see myself using it very often (if ever). I did try asking MyTTC for an ambiguous route, from my home near Yonge & Eglinton to the intersection of Bloor and Dundas (remember that Bloor and Dundas intersect at two places). I then tried several other start points around the city. MyTTC seems to think that only the eastern most Bloor and Dundas intersection exists... Another non-TTC but TTC related site that I have had fun looking at is a site run by some local transit fans : transit.toronto.on.ca . So, all sorts of trivia about the TTC, like the "abandoned" subway stations : transit.toronto.on.ca/subway/5006.shtml . Or a look at the PCC series street cars (the last of which were in operation when I moved to Toronto, but have now all been pulled from service) : transit.toronto.on.ca/streetcar/4502.shtml Colin > Rob > > -- > Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org ? ? ? ? Linux counter ID #16440 > IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) > Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com > Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 14 00:09:40 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Scott Allen wrote: > On 13 August 2010 16:12, Robert Brockway wrote: >> Hey I've done square dancing! :) ?Seriously, it is harder than it looks [...] > > If square (a two dimensional object) dancing is too difficult, you > could drop a dimension and try line dancing ;-) Actually I did move from Square dancing to line dancing. Eventually I tried point dancing but then I ran out of dimensions. Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 14 00:13:13 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:13:13 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C65DF99.7030808@dinamis.com> On 08/13/2010 08:09 PM, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Scott Allen wrote: > >> On 13 August 2010 16:12, Robert Brockway >> wrote: >>> Hey I've done square dancing! :) Seriously, it is harder than it >>> looks [...] >> >> If square (a two dimensional object) dancing is too difficult, you >> could drop a dimension and try line dancing ;-) > > Actually I did move from Square dancing to line dancing. > > Eventually I tried point dancing but then I ran out of dimensions. You could try quantum dancing in which we could never quite predict exactly where you'd be on the dance floor. But then you probably do that already. :) -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 14 00:58:28 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: <4C65DF99.7030808-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4C65DF99.7030808@dinamis.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > You could try quantum dancing in which we could never quite predict exactly > where you'd be on the dance floor. But then you probably do that already. :) Yes, the Heisenbery uncertainty principal says that you can detect my position or my manner of dancing but not both at the same time :) Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 14 13:31:03 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:31:03 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: <4C65DF99.7030808@dinamis.com> Message-ID: Interesting thread, It remind me of an article I came across in economics magazine. I did not know what to make of it, but according to it, Michael feeling that relationship is a matter of life and death is universal to men. Does the research seem accurate in your opinion? http://economist.com/node/16789152 William On 13 August 2010 20:58, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > >> You could try quantum dancing in which we could never quite predict >> exactly where you'd be on the dance floor. But then you probably do that >> already. :) > > Yes, the Heisenbery uncertainty principal says that you can detect my > position or my manner of dancing but not both at the same time :) > > Rob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 14 15:02:02 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:02:02 -0400 Subject: Black Berry and encryption Message-ID: Morning, I just came across this article and think its worth a read. Its has some more details on what its at stake in the current battle between governments and RIM. For example, I just realized BB chats do not go through the enterprise servers, which is what I had all assumed. That imply offering data centres in for example Saudi Arabia will not be sufficient. It has not be explicitly mentioned, but it look the only way to have access to that is through installing stuff in the hand set. So, has RIM been facilitating that all along? The whole story kind of rule out a central organization ever providing encryption worth trusting. They apparently use ECC (Elliptic_curve_cryptography) - which is petty good, but what good is it if half of the world population can read what its apparently encrypting. http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2010/08/blackberrys_and_encryption William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 14 21:39:15 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 17:39:15 -0400 Subject: Black Berry and encryption In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C670D03.9090606@rogers.com> William Muriithi wrote: > The whole story kind of rule out a central organization ever providing > encryption worth trusting. "What about at either end of the encryption process? E-mails sent encrypted from a BlackBerry handset at some point have to be decrypted and sent to the recipient's e-mail server. That is done either by the "enterprise" server, for those large BlackBerry users that have them, or in RIM's own servers in the case of people who have their BlackBerry contract with a local telecoms firm." Doesn't RIM use public/private key encryption? If so, then the message can only be decrypted by the recipient and not at any server along the way. Many companies have their own key servers to generate the key pairs, so RIM would have no access to those messages. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 15 03:50:08 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 23:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: <4C65DF99.7030808@dinamis.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010, William Muriithi wrote: > It remind me of an article I came across in economics magazine. I did > not know what to make of it, but according to it, Michael feeling that > relationship is a matter of life and death is universal to men. > > Does the research seem accurate in your opinion? > > http://economist.com/node/16789152 The idea that being in a romantic/sexual relationship is good for a man's health has been backed up by a lot of research AFAIK. The article mentions several reasons. I think there may be more. Many men who have a family change their behaviour significantly. I can see this in my own life. Since my daughter was born I spend less time in front of the computer and more time outside (playing with her, taking her places, etc). The pain that I used to get in my wrists has completely gone. I was also having problems with eye strain - also gone. Since marrying and having a family my health profile has improved :) Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 15 04:28:51 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 00:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Aug 2010, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Well, I am now 34 years old, still single after 24 years of trying to > get a first date, and have not received a birthday present in 20 > years; so not a happy birthday like usual.... Hi Michael. I'm very sorry to hear that you weren't happy on your birthday. I thought about this before replying. Several people mentioned the need to get out and meet new people. I absolutely agree. My recommendation is to challenge yourself. Go out and try new stuff. Join a nature walking group or taking some dancing lessons. Push your boundaries. This often has positive consequences for humans. You may find your confidence grows. You will meet new people. You might become friends with some of them. Maybe even more. Maybe. I've observed that for whatever reason (cultural norms, genetics, whatever) there is still an expectation on men to make the 'first move' in most cases. As such a little chutzpah can go a long way. I have some friends in a situation similar to yours and where they have fallen down (IMHO) is in not being assertive at the right moment. I've seen these men get positive signals from women and then seen them blow it through inaction. I'd point this out later and they'd say they knew and faltered for some reason. I always used to point out the same thing: The worst she can say is no. It is never to late to find someone special. At this stage I think we can assume that your strategy up until this point hasn't worked so whatever you need to do, it isn't what you have been doing. Just a few thoughts. Good luck Michael. Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 15 15:33:08 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Black Berry and encryption In-Reply-To: <4C670D03.9090606-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C670D03.9090606@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: James Knott | "What about at either end of the encryption process? E-mails sent encrypted | from a BlackBerry handset at some point have to be decrypted and sent to the | recipient's e-mail server. That is done either by the "enterprise" server, for | those large BlackBerry users that have them, or in RIM's own servers in the | case of people who have their BlackBerry contract with a local telecoms firm." | | Doesn't RIM use public/private key encryption? If so, then the message can | only be decrypted by the recipient and not at any server along the way. Many | companies have their own key servers to generate the key pairs, so RIM would | have no access to those messages. As users of email, we would want end-to-end encryption. Unfortunately no random pair of users seems to have a prior agreement about how to do encryption or authentication so we use the greatest common divisor, plain text. Note: encryption is easy. Authentication is hard. Without authentication, encryption is not that useful. For one thing, it is subject to Man-in-the-middle attacks. PGP was an attempt to grow a system for encrypting mail from the bottom up. It was not a complete failure, but it sure wasn't a success. The same applies to VoIP. Skype is encrypted because it is a proprietary system from one supplier. SIP can be encrypted but, as far as I know, it is useless because there is no agreed-upon way of authenticating. BTW, RIM bought Certicom for what seemed like a pretty good price last year. Certicom has important patents for Eliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) -- they were founded by University of Waterloo folks who did some of the foundational work. ECC is a public key system that takes a lot fewer bits than RSA. BTW2, I used the phrase "greatest common divisor" instead of the conventional "lowest common denominator" since the latter makes no sense to me. The real notion is the meet or join operation on some lattice, but try to say that in a normal conversation. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 15 15:41:02 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Robert Brockway | I've observed that for whatever reason (cultural norms, genetics, whatever) | there is still an expectation on men to make the 'first move' in most cases. | As such a little chutzpah can go a long way. Warning: inappropriate chutzpah is not a good idea. In fact it is sometimes perceived/experienced as an attack. It is a sad fact that most (but not all) TLUG comments will be from a male perspective. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 15 15:26:01 2010 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 19:26:01 +0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C680709.4040403@gmail.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Robert Brockway > > | I've observed that for whatever reason (cultural norms, genetics, whatever) > | there is still an expectation on men to make the 'first move' in most cases. > | As such a little chutzpah can go a long way. > > Warning: inappropriate chutzpah is not a good idea. In fact it is > sometimes perceived/experienced as an attack. > > It is a sad fact that most (but not all) TLUG comments will be from a > male perspective. > What is chutzpah? I am not looking into your pants so do not look into mine. Political correctness has reached its limits of absurd. zb. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 15 15:59:01 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:59:01 -0400 Subject: Black Berry and encryption In-Reply-To: References: <4C670D03.9090606@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C680EC5.9010209@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > As users of email, we would want end-to-end encryption. Unfortunately > no random pair of users seems to have a prior agreement about how to > do encryption or authentication so we use the greatest common divisor, > plain text. > What about X.509 certificates? Those are commonly used. I had one from Thawte, from before they were bought by Verisign. With those certificates, encryption is end to end, including through any mail servers. Corporate mail systems would often have their own certificate server, which would generate the necessary keys and make them available as part of the directory services. We certainly had that with Lotus Notes, when I was at IBM several years ago. I believe Exchange does that too. If a 3rd party certificate server is used there's no way any ISP would have access. Also, with X.509, you could send someone the encryption (public) key, simply by sending them a signed email. I'd be very surprised if RIM didn't use a public/private key system, as the old symmetrical keys had a lot of problems, particularly with key distribution. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 15 18:18:02 2010 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 14:18:02 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f3704177e0fe4036cacf3e0a56a02cb.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Hey Michael, Don't be too hard on yourself. I am 32 and haven't been out on a date in a while either but then again I am not looking to find a date at the moment. I'm enjoying being single at the moment. What may make you feel better is reading up why NOT to get married. There are tons of horror stories on the internet by men that got royally screwed because they got married and had kids and then got divorced. Cheers, Jason > Well, I am now 34 years old, still single after 24 years of trying to > get a first date, and have not received a birthday present in 20 > years; so not a happy birthday like usual.... > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 15 18:58:53 2010 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 14:58:53 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: <7f3704177e0fe4036cacf3e0a56a02cb.squirrel-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg@public.gmane.org> References: <7f3704177e0fe4036cacf3e0a56a02cb.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: <4C6838ED.7080409@dinamis.com> On 08/15/2010 02:18 PM, Jason Carson wrote: > What may make you feel better is reading up why NOT to get married. There > are tons of horror stories on the internet by men that got royally screwed > because they got married and had kids and then got divorced. That is because disaffected men are more likely to write about their experiences with marriage than happy men. Feeling happier because of those "tons of horror stories" isn't a healthy or good response. If you're going to take comfort from how random other strangers feel, why not take comfort that many men are in stable, happy relationships and thoroughly enjoy their roles as husband, father, son, brother, son-in-law, brother-in-law, and friend? You attract and become what you think about. If your thoughts are, "Many marriages end in divorce and misery.", that's hardly a good starting place. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 15 20:16:18 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Aug 2010, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Warning: inappropriate chutzpah is not a good idea. In fact it is > sometimes perceived/experienced as an attack. I debated for a while over using this word - I even looked it up in the dictionary to make sure that it agreed with my understanding of the word. I think you may be interpretting it differently than I intended. The way I intended this word to be used is covered by the following paragraph of my previous post. Notice also that I did say 'a _little_ chutzpah'. This was not an accident. Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 15 21:02:16 2010 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 17:02:16 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: <4C6838ED.7080409-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <7f3704177e0fe4036cacf3e0a56a02cb.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> <4C6838ED.7080409@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <3e9183ca7ed1f4346f6c3b33340739bf.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> > On 08/15/2010 02:18 PM, Jason Carson wrote: >> What may make you feel better is reading up why NOT to get married. >> There >> are tons of horror stories on the internet by men that got royally >> screwed >> because they got married and had kids and then got divorced. > > That is because disaffected men are more likely to write about their > experiences with marriage than happy men. Well the according to the Department of Justice, Child Support Initiative, Evaluation Report, August 1997, divorce rate in Canada is about 48%. Then take into account that of the roughly half of marriages that stay together its possible that stuff happens in those marriages (Weight gain, less sex, compromising, etc). See this article as an example... http://ca.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10-reasons-not-to-get-married.html > Feeling happier because of > those "tons of horror stories" isn't a healthy or good response. If > you're going to take comfort from how random other strangers feel, why > not take comfort that many men are in stable, happy relationships and > thoroughly enjoy their roles as husband, father, son, brother, > son-in-law, brother-in-law, and friend? I guess I can agree with your there but the reality is many marriages are not all that great. Some marriages of the half that stay together may stay together just for the kids or for financial reasons. Just something for Michael to think about, that is all. From what I have read it seems that happy healthy marriages are in the minority. > You attract and become what you think about. If your thoughts are, "Many > marriages end in divorce and misery.", that's hardly a good starting > place. I doubt all of the marriages that end it divorce started of with negative thoughts, both partners probably had good intentions. The marriages just didn't work, that's reality. Just something to ponder before Michael takes the plunge. Although I guess I am getting ahead of myself, he is just looking for a date. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 16 07:36:08 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 03:36:08 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: <7f3704177e0fe4036cacf3e0a56a02cb.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> <4C6838ED.7080409@dinamis.com> <3e9183ca7ed1f4346f6c3b33340739bf.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: A good portion of marriages probably start because of kids or at an early age. Ruling out the "unexpected" or "inexperienced" stages, perhaps there may be higher rates of success. People and life change a lot between high school/college romance, but a lot of major decisions such as marriage also seem to occur then. Perhaps a latter age means a more stable base. On 2010-08-15 2:04 PM, "Jason Carson" wrote: > On 08/15/2010 02:18 PM, Jason Carson wrote: >> What may make you feel better is reading up why NOT... Well the according to the Department of Justice, Child Support Initiative, Evaluation Report, August 1997, divorce rate in Canada is about 48%. Then take into account that of the roughly half of marriages that stay together its possible that stuff happens in those marriages (Weight gain, less sex, compromising, etc). See this article as an example... http://ca.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10-reasons-not-to-get-married.html > Feeling happier because of > those "tons of horror stories" isn't a healthy or good response. If ... I guess I can agree with your there but the reality is many marriages are not all that great. Some marriages of the half that stay together may stay together just for the kids or for financial reasons. Just something for Michael to think about, that is all. From what I have read it seems that happy healthy marriages are in the minority. > You attract and become what you think about. If your thoughts are, "Many > marriages end in divor... I doubt all of the marriages that end it divorce started of with negative thoughts, both partners probably had good intentions. The marriages just didn't work, that's reality. Just something to ponder before Michael takes the plunge. Although I guess I am getting ahead of myself, he is just looking for a date. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mattseburn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 16 15:17:19 2010 From: mattseburn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Seburn) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:17:19 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: <3e9183ca7ed1f4346f6c3b33340739bf.squirrel-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg@public.gmane.org> References: <7f3704177e0fe4036cacf3e0a56a02cb.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> <4C6838ED.7080409@dinamis.com> <3e9183ca7ed1f4346f6c3b33340739bf.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Jason Carson wrote: > > Then > take into account that of the roughly half of marriages that stay together > its possible that stuff happens in those marriages (Weight gain, less sex, > compromising, etc). A long-term relationship cannot exist without compromise.? And, well, the other stuff is just part of getting older.? If one has unrealistic expectations about what "till death do us part" really means, then it's inevitable that one will be disappointed. > > See this article as an example... > > http://ca.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10-reasons-not-to-get-married.html > > > Feeling happier because of > > those "tons of horror stories" isn't a healthy or good response. If > > you're going to take comfort from how random other strangers feel, why > > not take comfort that many men are in stable, happy relationships and > > thoroughly enjoy their roles as husband, father, son, brother, > > son-in-law, brother-in-law, and friend? > > I guess I can agree with your there but the reality is many marriages are > not all that great. Some marriages of the half that stay together may stay > together just for the kids or for financial reasons. Just something for > Michael to think about, that is all. From what I have read it seems that > happy healthy marriages are in the minority. > > > You attract and become what you think about. If your thoughts are, "Many > > marriages end in divorce and misery.", that's hardly a good starting > > place. > > I doubt all of the marriages that end it divorce started of with negative > thoughts, both partners probably had good intentions. The marriages just > didn't work, that's reality. Just something to ponder before Michael takes > the plunge. Although I guess I am getting ahead of myself, he is just > looking for a date. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 16 18:26:27 2010 From: ivan.avery.frey-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:26:27 -0400 Subject: Considering the Samsung R430L White Message-ID: <4C6982D3.3000609@gmail.com> I'm shopping for a new laptop. The dream machine I'm thinking of is not available yet: it would be a desktop computer the size of an iPhone. At home I would connect it to a larger monitor and wireless keyboard and mouse, but then when I go out I would simply disconnect it from everything. Apparently we're not there yet. So as I was researching this topic I found this machine the Samsung R430L White available at best buy for $750: http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/samsung-samsung-14-laptop-featuring-intel-core-2-duo-t6600-r430l-white-online-only-r430l/10145965.aspx?path=c360e94a977933fcd861c74ab15ceb70en02 I think it's the same machine as the Samsung R430-Black recommended by Consumer Reports. The processor in this laptop contains a Core 2 Duo T6600 which according to Intel does not support hardware virtualization: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=37255 Ok sorry for wasting your time; I got seriously confused and thought this processor did support hardware virtualization. Samsung has the specs for this laptop here: http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/office/mobile-computing/notebook/NP-R430-JS01CA/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=specification From this page the chipset is the Intel PM45 whose specs are listed here: http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/320122.pdf For me it's back to the drawing board to find the smallest laptop that supports hardware virtualization and runs linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 16 19:23:49 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:23:49 -0400 Subject: Installing xfe on base Debian Message-ID: On Sunday I was helping a friend install a new, completely stripped-down Debian testing system. After we added X and fluxbox, he wanted a file manager and chose what we both thought was a relatively light-weight one, xfe. Here's how it went: root at thinkpad:~# aptitude install xfe The following NEW packages will be installed: audacious{a} audacious-plugins{a} dbus-x11{a} desktop-file-utils{a} esound-clients{a} esound-common{a} exiftran{a} exiv2{a} gconf2{a} gconf2-common{a} geeqie{a} geeqie-common{a} gqview{a} gtk2-engines-pixbuf{a} imagemagick{a} libasyncns0{a} libaudclient2{a} libaudcore1{a} libaudid3tag2{a} libaudiofile0{a} libavcodec52{a} libavformat52{a} libavutil49{a} libbinio1ldbl{a} libcanberra-gtk-module{a} libcanberra-gtk0{a} libcanberra0{a} libcddb2{a} libcdio-cdda0{a} libcdio10{a} libcdt4{a} libcue1{a} libdbus-glib-1-2{a} libdirac-encoder0{a} libdirectfb-1.2-9{a} libdjvulibre-text{a} libdjvulibre21{a} libesd0{a} libexif12{a} libexiv2-9{a} libfaad2{a} libflac8{a} libfluidsynth1{a} libfox-1.6-0{a} libgconf2-4{a} libgd2-noxpm{a} libglu1-mesa{a} libgraph4{a} libgsm1{a} libgtkimageview0{a} libgvc5{a} libidl0{a} libilmbase6{a} libjack-jackd2-0{a} liblash2{a} liblircclient0{a} liblqr-1-0{a} libltdl7{a} libmad0{a} libmagickcore3{a} libmagickcore3-extra{a} libmagickwand3{a} libmcs1{a} libmms0{a} libmowgli1{a} libmtp8{a} libneon27-gnutls{a} libnetpbm10{a} libnotify1{a} libogg0{a} libopenexr6{a} liborbit2{a} liborc-0.4-0{a} libpathplan4{a} libpulse0{a} libresid-builder0c2a{a} librsvg2-common{a} libsamplerate0{a} libschroedinger-1.0-0{a} libsdl1.2debian{a} libsdl1.2debian-alsa{a} libshout3{a} libsidplay2{a} libsndfile1{a} libspeex1{a} libsvga1{a} libtdb1{a} libtheora0{a} libts-0.0-0{a} libvorbis0a{a} libvorbisenc2{a} libvorbisfile3{a} libwavpack1{a} libwmf0.2-7{a} libwnck-common{a} libwnck22{a} libxdot4{a} libxres1{a} netpbm{a} notification-daemon{a} tsconf{a} ufraw{a} ufraw-batch{a} unzip{a} xfe xfe-i18n{a} xfe-themes{a} zenity{a} 0 packages upgraded, 108 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 36.6MB of archives. After unpacking 103MB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] n Excuse me? Audacious?? A year ago Debian users were smart enough to install audacious and geeqie when we needed them: now we're too stupid? And I'm not even going to discuss the other things it claims to depend on. On the xfe sourceforge download page there's a i386 deb package that had only two requirements: "libglu1-mesa 7.7.1-4 [213kB]" and "libfox-1.6-0 1.6.37-1 [1,212kB]". That's truly spectacular dependency bloat. What exactly has happened to Debian? It used to be that Ubuntu was based on Debian, and those who wanted more control chose Debian. Now it seems that Debian is trying to be Ubuntu? "Don't think, we'll do it for you." While this may strike some as flame-bait, it's actually a desperate plea for explanation-and-understanding from a long-time Debian user who thinks his distro is going insane. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 16 19:39:19 2010 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:39:19 -0400 Subject: Installing xfe on base Debian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Giles, Does the same thing happen with apt-get? Doesn't aptitude offer more choices than apt-get usually? Just wondering I rarely use aptitude and usually use apt-get. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Giles Orr wrote: > On Sunday I was helping a friend install a new, completely > stripped-down Debian testing system. After we added X and fluxbox, he > wanted a file manager and chose what we both thought was a relatively > light-weight one, xfe. Here's how it went: > > root at thinkpad:~# aptitude install xfe > The following NEW packages will be installed: > audacious{a} audacious-plugins{a} dbus-x11{a} desktop-file-utils{a} > esound-clients{a} esound-common{a} exiftran{a} exiv2{a} gconf2{a} > gconf2-common{a} geeqie{a} geeqie-common{a} gqview{a} > gtk2-engines-pixbuf{a} imagemagick{a} libasyncns0{a} libaudclient2{a} > libaudcore1{a} libaudid3tag2{a} libaudiofile0{a} libavcodec52{a} > libavformat52{a} libavutil49{a} libbinio1ldbl{a} libcanberra-gtk-module{a} > libcanberra-gtk0{a} libcanberra0{a} libcddb2{a} libcdio-cdda0{a} > libcdio10{a} libcdt4{a} libcue1{a} libdbus-glib-1-2{a} > libdirac-encoder0{a} libdirectfb-1.2-9{a} libdjvulibre-text{a} > libdjvulibre21{a} libesd0{a} libexif12{a} libexiv2-9{a} libfaad2{a} > libflac8{a} libfluidsynth1{a} libfox-1.6-0{a} libgconf2-4{a} > libgd2-noxpm{a} libglu1-mesa{a} libgraph4{a} libgsm1{a} > libgtkimageview0{a} libgvc5{a} libidl0{a} libilmbase6{a} > libjack-jackd2-0{a} liblash2{a} liblircclient0{a} liblqr-1-0{a} > libltdl7{a} libmad0{a} libmagickcore3{a} libmagickcore3-extra{a} > libmagickwand3{a} libmcs1{a} libmms0{a} libmowgli1{a} libmtp8{a} > libneon27-gnutls{a} libnetpbm10{a} libnotify1{a} libogg0{a} libopenexr6{a} > liborbit2{a} liborc-0.4-0{a} libpathplan4{a} libpulse0{a} > libresid-builder0c2a{a} librsvg2-common{a} libsamplerate0{a} > libschroedinger-1.0-0{a} libsdl1.2debian{a} libsdl1.2debian-alsa{a} > libshout3{a} libsidplay2{a} libsndfile1{a} libspeex1{a} libsvga1{a} > libtdb1{a} libtheora0{a} libts-0.0-0{a} libvorbis0a{a} libvorbisenc2{a} > libvorbisfile3{a} libwavpack1{a} libwmf0.2-7{a} libwnck-common{a} > libwnck22{a} libxdot4{a} libxres1{a} netpbm{a} notification-daemon{a} > tsconf{a} ufraw{a} ufraw-batch{a} unzip{a} xfe xfe-i18n{a} xfe-themes{a} > zenity{a} > 0 packages upgraded, 108 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > Need to get 36.6MB of archives. After unpacking 103MB will be used. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] n > > Excuse me? Audacious?? A year ago Debian users were smart enough to > install audacious and geeqie when we needed them: now we're too > stupid? And I'm not even going to discuss the other things it claims > to depend on. > > On the xfe sourceforge download page there's a i386 deb package that > had only two requirements: "libglu1-mesa 7.7.1-4 [213kB]" and > "libfox-1.6-0 1.6.37-1 [1,212kB]". > > That's truly spectacular dependency bloat. What exactly has happened > to Debian? It used to be that Ubuntu was based on Debian, and those > who wanted more control chose Debian. Now it seems that Debian is > trying to be Ubuntu? "Don't think, we'll do it for you." > > While this may strike some as flame-bait, it's actually a desperate > plea for explanation-and-understanding from a long-time Debian user > who thinks his distro is going insane. > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 16 19:46:29 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:46:29 -0400 Subject: Installing xfe on base Debian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100816194629.GS2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 03:39:19PM -0400, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hey Giles, > > Does the same thing happen with apt-get? Doesn't aptitude offer more choices > than apt-get usually? > > Just wondering I rarely use aptitude and usually use apt-get. > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Giles Orr wrote: > > > On Sunday I was helping a friend install a new, completely > > stripped-down Debian testing system. After we added X and fluxbox, he > > wanted a file manager and chose what we both thought was a relatively > > light-weight one, xfe. Here's how it went: > > > > root at thinkpad:~# aptitude install xfe > > The following NEW packages will be installed: > > audacious{a} audacious-plugins{a} dbus-x11{a} desktop-file-utils{a} > > esound-clients{a} esound-common{a} exiftran{a} exiv2{a} gconf2{a} > > gconf2-common{a} geeqie{a} geeqie-common{a} gqview{a} > > gtk2-engines-pixbuf{a} imagemagick{a} libasyncns0{a} libaudclient2{a} > > libaudcore1{a} libaudid3tag2{a} libaudiofile0{a} libavcodec52{a} > > libavformat52{a} libavutil49{a} libbinio1ldbl{a} libcanberra-gtk-module{a} > > libcanberra-gtk0{a} libcanberra0{a} libcddb2{a} libcdio-cdda0{a} > > libcdio10{a} libcdt4{a} libcue1{a} libdbus-glib-1-2{a} > > libdirac-encoder0{a} libdirectfb-1.2-9{a} libdjvulibre-text{a} > > libdjvulibre21{a} libesd0{a} libexif12{a} libexiv2-9{a} libfaad2{a} > > libflac8{a} libfluidsynth1{a} libfox-1.6-0{a} libgconf2-4{a} > > libgd2-noxpm{a} libglu1-mesa{a} libgraph4{a} libgsm1{a} > > libgtkimageview0{a} libgvc5{a} libidl0{a} libilmbase6{a} > > libjack-jackd2-0{a} liblash2{a} liblircclient0{a} liblqr-1-0{a} > > libltdl7{a} libmad0{a} libmagickcore3{a} libmagickcore3-extra{a} > > libmagickwand3{a} libmcs1{a} libmms0{a} libmowgli1{a} libmtp8{a} > > libneon27-gnutls{a} libnetpbm10{a} libnotify1{a} libogg0{a} libopenexr6{a} > > liborbit2{a} liborc-0.4-0{a} libpathplan4{a} libpulse0{a} > > libresid-builder0c2a{a} librsvg2-common{a} libsamplerate0{a} > > libschroedinger-1.0-0{a} libsdl1.2debian{a} libsdl1.2debian-alsa{a} > > libshout3{a} libsidplay2{a} libsndfile1{a} libspeex1{a} libsvga1{a} > > libtdb1{a} libtheora0{a} libts-0.0-0{a} libvorbis0a{a} libvorbisenc2{a} > > libvorbisfile3{a} libwavpack1{a} libwmf0.2-7{a} libwnck-common{a} > > libwnck22{a} libxdot4{a} libxres1{a} netpbm{a} notification-daemon{a} > > tsconf{a} ufraw{a} ufraw-batch{a} unzip{a} xfe xfe-i18n{a} xfe-themes{a} > > zenity{a} > > 0 packages upgraded, 108 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > > Need to get 36.6MB of archives. After unpacking 103MB will be used. > > Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] n > > > > Excuse me? Audacious?? A year ago Debian users were smart enough to > > install audacious and geeqie when we needed them: now we're too > > stupid? And I'm not even going to discuss the other things it claims > > to depend on. > > > > On the xfe sourceforge download page there's a i386 deb package that > > had only two requirements: "libglu1-mesa 7.7.1-4 [213kB]" and > > "libfox-1.6-0 1.6.37-1 [1,212kB]". > > > > That's truly spectacular dependency bloat. What exactly has happened > > to Debian? It used to be that Ubuntu was based on Debian, and those > > who wanted more control chose Debian. Now it seems that Debian is > > trying to be Ubuntu? "Don't think, we'll do it for you." > > > > While this may strike some as flame-bait, it's actually a desperate > > plea for explanation-and-understanding from a long-time Debian user > > who thinks his distro is going insane. At some point, installing 'recommended' packages became default. In the past only requires packages were installed. This can be changed in the configuration of apt though. aptitude has it's own configuration as well for similar controls (including installing suggested packages if so desired). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 16 20:01:55 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:01:55 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: <20100811183403.GK2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810224946.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100811161455.GG2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100811183403.GK2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Hi Lennart, Did this work on your machine, I tried it on a few and it didn't do anything when I sent the message via nc Dave On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 01:22:08PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: >> Len, >> >> > How about this little example. ?It waits for a UDP message (anything at >> > all) on port 5000, and when that happens it starts to print a message >> > every 10 ticks, with a tick rate of 10ms, (so 10 times per second it >> > does the print). >> > >> > I start it by doing: >> > >> > echo "Foo" | nc -u ipaddress 5000 -q 1 >> > >> > nc is netcat. ?Any other udp capable network connection should work too. >> > >> >> Thanks for taking the time to write this, couple questions: >> >> 1) sock = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, 0); this seems to be a common >> mistake. it should be socket(BF_INET....) happens that AF_INET and >> BF_INET both = 2 >> >> Where does it do the read ? or does it block on the bind ? > > Sorry it should be PF_INET, not AF_INET (nor BF_INET). > > The read is recvfrom after the select. > > It doesn't care what the message is, just that it receives one as a > start trigger. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 16 20:29:49 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:29:49 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: References: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810224946.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100811161455.GG2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100811183403.GK2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100816202949.GT2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 04:01:55PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > Did this work on your machine, I tried it on a few and it didn't do > anything when I sent the message via nc Yes it worked for me. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 16 20:36:18 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:36:18 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: <7f3704177e0fe4036cacf3e0a56a02cb.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> <4C6838ED.7080409@dinamis.com> <3e9183ca7ed1f4346f6c3b33340739bf.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: till death do us part = wishful thinking All marriages should be christened with "Do you swear to be together and care for each other ONLY while it's worth it and enjoyable for both of you?" Now THAT makes sense. After all there are worse destinies than death, and one of them is a crappy marriage. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:17, Matt Seburn wrote: > On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Jason Carson wrote: >> >> Then >> take into account that of the roughly half of marriages that stay together >> its possible that stuff happens in those marriages (Weight gain, less sex, >> compromising, etc). > > A long-term relationship cannot exist without compromise.? And, well, > the other stuff is just part of getting older.? If one has unrealistic > expectations about what "till death do us part" really means, then > it's inevitable that one will be disappointed. > >> >> See this article as an example... >> >> http://ca.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10-reasons-not-to-get-married.html >> >> > Feeling happier because of >> > those "tons of horror stories" isn't a healthy or good response. If >> > you're going to take comfort from how random other strangers feel, why >> > not take comfort that many men are in stable, happy relationships and >> > thoroughly enjoy their roles as husband, father, son, brother, >> > son-in-law, brother-in-law, and friend? >> >> I guess I can agree with your there but the reality is many marriages are >> not all that great. Some marriages of the half that stay together may stay >> together just for the kids or for financial reasons. Just something for >> Michael to think about, that is all. From what I have read it seems that >> happy healthy marriages are in the minority. >> >> > You attract and become what you think about. If your thoughts are, "Many >> > marriages end in divorce and misery.", that's hardly a good starting >> > place. >> >> I doubt all of the marriages that end it divorce started of with negative >> thoughts, both partners probably had good intentions. The marriages just >> didn't work, that's reality. Just something to ponder before Michael takes >> the plunge. Although I guess I am getting ahead of myself, he is just >> looking for a date. >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 16 20:45:27 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:45:27 -0400 Subject: select on udp recvfrom doesn't work ??? In-Reply-To: <20100816202949.GT2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100810212934.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100810224946.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100811161455.GG2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100811183403.GK2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100816202949.GT2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: OK, thanks, could be my network. Dave On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 04:01:55PM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: >> Did this work on your machine, I tried it on a few and it didn't do >> anything when I sent the message via nc > > Yes it worked for me. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mattseburn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 16 21:44:56 2010 From: mattseburn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Seburn) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:44:56 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: <7f3704177e0fe4036cacf3e0a56a02cb.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> <4C6838ED.7080409@dinamis.com> <3e9183ca7ed1f4346f6c3b33340739bf.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Fabio FZero wrote: > till death do us part = wishful thinking > > All marriages should be christened with "Do you swear to be together > and care for each other ONLY while it's worth it and enjoyable for > both of you?" > > Now THAT makes sense. After all there are worse destinies than death, > and one of them is a crappy marriage. To each their own. Just saying - if you expect to be with another for the rest of your life, you need to also expect change and compromise. > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:17, Matt Seburn wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Jason Carson wrote: >>> >>> Then >>> take into account that of the roughly half of marriages that stay together >>> its possible that stuff happens in those marriages (Weight gain, less sex, >>> compromising, etc). >> >> A long-term relationship cannot exist without compromise.? And, well, >> the other stuff is just part of getting older.? If one has unrealistic >> expectations about what "till death do us part" really means, then >> it's inevitable that one will be disappointed. >> >>> >>> See this article as an example... >>> >>> http://ca.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10-reasons-not-to-get-married.html >>> >>> > Feeling happier because of >>> > those "tons of horror stories" isn't a healthy or good response. If >>> > you're going to take comfort from how random other strangers feel, why >>> > not take comfort that many men are in stable, happy relationships and >>> > thoroughly enjoy their roles as husband, father, son, brother, >>> > son-in-law, brother-in-law, and friend? >>> >>> I guess I can agree with your there but the reality is many marriages are >>> not all that great. Some marriages of the half that stay together may stay >>> together just for the kids or for financial reasons. Just something for >>> Michael to think about, that is all. From what I have read it seems that >>> happy healthy marriages are in the minority. >>> >>> > You attract and become what you think about. If your thoughts are, "Many >>> > marriages end in divorce and misery.", that's hardly a good starting >>> > place. >>> >>> I doubt all of the marriages that end it divorce started of with negative >>> thoughts, both partners probably had good intentions. The marriages just >>> didn't work, that's reality. Just something to ponder before Michael takes >>> the plunge. Although I guess I am getting ahead of myself, he is just >>> looking for a date. >>> >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 16 23:29:27 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:29:27 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: <7f3704177e0fe4036cacf3e0a56a02cb.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> <4C6838ED.7080409@dinamis.com> <3e9183ca7ed1f4346f6c3b33340739bf.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 17:44, Matt Seburn wrote: > To each their own. ?Just saying - if you expect to be with another for > the rest of your life, you need to also expect change and compromise. I think the point here is expecting to be with someone for the rest of your life - this is an unrealistic expectation. One should expect to be with someone while happiness and love last. -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 17 00:52:50 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:52:50 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: <7f3704177e0fe4036cacf3e0a56a02cb.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> <4C6838ED.7080409@dinamis.com> <3e9183ca7ed1f4346f6c3b33340739bf.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Renata Rocha wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 17:44, Matt Seburn wrote: >> To each their own. ?Just saying - if you expect to be with another for >> the rest of your life, you need to also expect change and compromise. > > I think the point here is expecting to be with someone for the rest of > your life - this is an unrealistic expectation. > > One should expect to be with someone while happiness and love last. That perspective doesn't fit very well with "family we get stuck with," notably children. There's a rather literal "life cycle" with the "little people" which people are decidedly stuck with. Babies need feeding irrespective of whether or not the parents are getting along. There are familial arrangements, pointedly the traditional "arranged marriage," where things start out with negotiations between extended families. This has been the norm for a *whole* lot longer than the modern "independent courtships" which are probably mostly an artifact assortedly of such social convulsions as: - The growth of frontier areas in the United States, and - The side-effects of massive destruction of European cities in the "total wars" of the 20th century, both of involved (often truly catastrophic!) scatterings of portions of families all across the continents. That's a pretty scattered way to indicate that there's rather more complexity to things than meets the eye. Any or many of those may be demographically unimportant. The same is true of many of the pro- and con- comments that have already appeared. There are great relationships and disastrous ones. Deciding not to bother trying because there was a particularly bad episode of Jerry Springer or such would be a terrible shame. (Note that the increasing luridness of the news demonstrates nicely that "bad news entertains." This has the natural consequence that the staggeringly bad situations will get publicity well out any demographically deserved proportion. The bad situations described by the likes of Jerry Springer, Oprah, and Doctor Phil are WORTH MONEY to advertisers.) -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 17 02:44:48 2010 From: daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org (Daniel Wayne Armstrong) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:44:48 -0400 Subject: Installing xfe on base Debian In-Reply-To: <20100816194629.GS2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100816194629.GS2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > At some point, installing 'recommended' packages became default. ?In the > past only requires packages were installed. ?This can be changed in the > configuration of apt though. ?aptitude has it's own configuration as > well for similar controls (including installing suggested packages if > so desired). Running 'aptitude -R install ' will drop the recommended packages from the download. I discovered it when I wanted to install a very basic Gnome for a friend and didn't want to install extras like Evolution and substitute wicd vs network manager. -- ?? ((@)) (\__/) -- Daniel (=.= ) -- http://circuidipity.com (")_(") -- http://identi.ca/dwa -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 17 00:19:02 2010 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:19:02 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: <7f3704177e0fe4036cacf3e0a56a02cb.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> <4C6838ED.7080409@dinamis.com> <3e9183ca7ed1f4346f6c3b33340739bf.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Renata Rocha wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 17:44, Matt Seburn wrote: >> To each their own. ?Just saying - if you expect to be with another for >> the rest of your life, you need to also expect change and compromise. > > I think the point here is expecting to be with someone for the rest of > your life - this is an unrealistic expectation. > > One should expect to be with someone while happiness and love last. with the occasional rainstorm, though ;) It's too easy to throw in the towel before looking behind door #3. Besides, marriage for love is so new-fashioned :) -- G. Matthew Rice ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? gpg id: EF9AAD20 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 17 13:35:46 2010 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:35:46 -0400 Subject: help with understanding a BASH warning Message-ID: <201008170935.48265.icanprogram@295.ca> When I run a BASH script from an ssh terminal session I seem to get this warning: /bin/bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US) when I run locale at both ends of the ssh I seem to get same values for all the environment variables which get listed. ie. they are all set to en_US A quick Google didn't enlighten me as to why this warning comes up and how I might get rid of it. Thanks in advance for all your help. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 17 14:10:11 2010 From: meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (meng) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:10:11 -0400 Subject: OT: Nonprofits Review Technology Failures Message-ID: Hi I came across the above article, Nonprofits Review Technology Failures, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/technology/17fail.html?_r=1&hp Except: "WASHINGTON ? At a gathering last month over drinks and finger food, a specialist at the World Bank related the story of how female weavers in a remote Amazonian region of Guyana had against all odds built themselves a thriving global online business selling intricately woven hammocks for $1,000 apiece. The state phone company had donated a communications center that helped the women find buyers around the world, selling to places like the British Museum. Within short order, though, their husbands pulled the plug, worried that their wives? sudden increase in income was a threat to the traditional male domination in their society. Technology?s potential to bring about social good is widely extolled, but its failures, until now, have rarely been discussed by nonprofits who deploy it. The experience in Guyana might never have come to light without FailFaire, a recurring party whose participants revel in revealing technology?s shortcomings. ?We are taking technology embedded with our values and our culture and embedding it in the developing world, which has very different values and cultures,? Soren Gigler, the World Bank specialist, told those at the FailFaire event here in July." I'm curious, how many of you have come across this, "tech, nonprofits and failures", both in Canada and elsewhere? Regards Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 17 14:14:01 2010 From: meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (meng) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:14:01 -0400 Subject: OT: Nonprofits Review Technology Failures Message-ID: <619e6ab40e180577b9f56bf62f25c36a@teksavvy.com> Sorry, I meant "Excerpt", not "Except" Shouldn't rely solely on my spellchecker :-) Meng -----Original message----- From: meng meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:10:11 -0400 To: TLUG tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: OT: Nonprofits Review Technology Failures > Hi > > I came across the above article, Nonprofits Review Technology Failures, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/technology/17fail.html?_r=1&hp > > Except: > "WASHINGTON ? At a gathering last month over drinks and finger food, a specialist at the World Bank related the story of how female weavers in a remote Amazonian region of Guyana had against all odds built themselves a thriving global online business selling intricately woven hammocks for $1,000 apiece. > > The state phone company had donated a communications center that helped the women find buyers around the world, selling to places like the British Museum. Within short order, though, their husbands pulled the plug, worried that their wives? sudden increase in income was a threat to the traditional male domination in their society. > > Technology?s potential to bring about social good is widely extolled, but its failures, until now, have rarely been discussed by nonprofits who deploy it. The experience in Guyana might never have come to light without FailFaire, a recurring party whose participants revel in revealing technology?s shortcomings. > > ?We are taking technology embedded with our values and our culture and embedding it in the developing world, which has very different values and cultures,? Soren Gigler, the World Bank specialist, told those at the FailFaire event here in July." > > I'm curious, how many of you have come across this, "tech, nonprofits and failures", both in Canada and elsewhere? > > Regards > > Meng > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mattseburn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 17 15:05:13 2010 From: mattseburn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Seburn) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:05:13 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: <7f3704177e0fe4036cacf3e0a56a02cb.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> <4C6838ED.7080409@dinamis.com> <3e9183ca7ed1f4346f6c3b33340739bf.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Renata Rocha wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 17:44, Matt Seburn wrote: >> To each their own. ?Just saying - if you expect to be with another for >> the rest of your life, you need to also expect change and compromise. > > I think the point here is expecting to be with someone for the rest of > your life - this is an unrealistic expectation. The original point was my response to the idea that change (weight gain, less sex) and compromise in a relationship are a problem. My point applies to all relationships, lifelong or not. It even applies to friendships. You cannot have a long-term relationship of any kind with another person without also expecting to compromise and adapt to change. And, I disagree that expecting to be with someone for the rest of your life is unrealistic - there are plenty of relationships that really do last "till death do us part". My grandparents, for example, were (very happily) married from 1951 until my grandfather's death in March. > One should expect to be with someone while happiness and love last. I used to think this way. I am a lot happier now. Happiness and love ebb and flow like the tide. If you believe that "low tide" means it is time to move on, you are setting yourself up to miss out on a lot of what a relationship has to offer. There is something special about having so much history with someone that you remember when you were in a different place in life, or were different people. There is also something to be said for the familiarity and comfort of being with someone you know so well. Of course, all that depends on finding the right person - a match worthy of a lifelong commitment. The trick is figuring out when to invest, and when to move on. Sometimes the tide will come back, sometimes it is out for good. > -- > Renata Rocha > http://renata.org > http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 17 16:23:58 2010 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:23:58 -0400 Subject: I Am Now 34.... In-Reply-To: References: <7f3704177e0fe4036cacf3e0a56a02cb.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> <4C6838ED.7080409@dinamis.com> <3e9183ca7ed1f4346f6c3b33340739bf.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: Well, you're discussing this with two people who've been together for 10 years and counting. We're together because it's worth it, and we never really expected it to last. It's good so far and we don't see it becoming bad in the foreseeable future, which is a good enough proposition. The point is: if it lasts "until death", excellent! But you shouldn't, for example, try to salvage a situation where your relationship went to hell just because "it should last forever, after all I said so before a priest". That's actually the best way to make it all even worse. Humans have a really hard time trying to make everything permanent, but the truth is that nothing lasts. The buddhists got that right - and I admit this even being an all-out atheist. The best way to be happy is to enjoy whatever you got, knowing that everything changes and, eventually, ends. And that's fine. - FZ On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:05, Matt Seburn wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Renata Rocha wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 17:44, Matt Seburn wrote: >>> To each their own. ?Just saying - if you expect to be with another for >>> the rest of your life, you need to also expect change and compromise. >> >> I think the point here is expecting to be with someone for the rest of >> your life - this is an unrealistic expectation. > > The original point was my response to the idea that change (weight > gain, less sex) and compromise in a relationship are a problem. ?My > point applies to all relationships, lifelong or not. ?It even applies > to friendships. ?You cannot have a long-term relationship of any kind > with another person without also expecting to compromise and adapt to > change. > > And, I disagree that expecting to be with someone for the rest of your > life is unrealistic - there are plenty of relationships that really do > last "till death do us part". ?My grandparents, for example, were > (very happily) married from 1951 until my grandfather's death in > March. > >> One should expect to be with someone while happiness and love last. > > I used to think this way. ?I am a lot happier now. > > Happiness and love ebb and flow like the tide. ?If you believe that > "low tide" means it is time to move on, you are setting yourself up to > miss out on a lot of what a relationship has to offer. ?There is > something special about having so much history with someone that you > remember when you were in a different place in life, or were different > people. ?There is also something to be said for the familiarity and > comfort of being with someone you know so well. > > Of course, all that depends on finding the right person - a match > worthy of a lifelong commitment. ?The trick is figuring out when to > invest, and when to move on. ?Sometimes the tide will come back, > sometimes it is out for good. > >> -- >> Renata Rocha >> http://renata.org >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 17 16:55:17 2010 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:55:17 -0400 Subject: OT: Nonprofits Review Technology Failures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C6ABEF5.5040207@the-wire.com> On 10-08-17 10:10 AM, meng wrote: [ ... ] > "WASHINGTON ? At a gathering last month over drinks and finger food, a specialist at the World Bank related the story of how female weavers in a remote Amazonian region of Guyana had against all odds built themselves a thriving global online business selling intricately woven hammocks for $1,000 apiece. > > The state phone company had donated a communications center that helped the women find buyers around the world, selling to places like the British Museum. Within short order, though, their husbands pulled the plug, worried that their wives? sudden increase in income was a threat to the traditional male domination in their society. > > Technology?s potential to bring about social good is widely extolled, but its failures, until now, have rarely been discussed by nonprofits who deploy it. The experience in Guyana might never have come to light without FailFaire, a recurring party whose participants revel in revealing technology?s shortcomings. $1000 seems good -- you can avoid the industrial squalor pitfall at $1000. There are other industrial pitfalls; you can read the Club of Rome report, or you can read B. Traven (who wrote _The Treasure of the Sierra Madre_.) In a collection called "The Night Visitor" he published a brilliant, funny short story called _Assembly Line_ with a Mexican peon, a visiting American businessman, and a strange, inverting quantity-discount curve. I've already said it's brilliant, haven't I? Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 17 19:04:13 2010 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:04:13 -0400 Subject: decent pci express/ pci express mini wireless card Message-ID: hey folks, after months of delaing with an unbearably crashy realtek driver ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/585938), I've pretty well had enough & am ready to buy a replacement. I just wondered if anyone had suggestions for chipsets or, even better, products I cna purchase, with absolutely bombproof linux support. I am pretty well appalled at how bad my realtek is and if i'm putting out extra money for a different product, would like to be sure that the linux support is sterling. thanks, matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 17 19:08:51 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:08:51 -0700 Subject: decent pci express/ pci express mini wireless card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mini as in mini-PCI for a laptop? You may want to make sure that your laptop actually supports alternate cards. My last HP had a BIOS setting which locked it to crappy realtek cards. An unauthorized card (in my case an decent Intel one) brought up an error on the BIOS screen and wouldn't allow the machine to boot. On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Matt Price wrote: > hey folks, > > after months of delaing with an unbearably crashy realtek driver > (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/585938), I've pretty > well had enough & am ready to buy a replacement.? I just wondered if anyone > had suggestions for chipsets or, even better, products I cna purchase, with > absolutely bombproof linux support.? I am pretty well appalled at how bad my > realtek is and if i'm putting out extra money for a different product, would > like to be sure that the linux support is sterling.? thanks, > matt > > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA ?It can takes months to gain a customer, but only seconds to lose one" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 17 19:16:11 2010 From: moptop99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:16:11 -0400 Subject: decent pci express/ pci express mini wireless card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Mini as in mini-PCI for a laptop? You may want to make sure that your > laptop actually supports alternate cards. My last HP had a BIOS > setting which locked it to crappy realtek cards. An unauthorized card > (in my case an decent Intel one) brought up an error on the BIOS > screen and wouldn't allow the machine to boot. > > > i just got off the phone w/ thinkpad support & they assure me it's not bios-locked. but i guess that assurance may or may not be absolutely reliable... > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Matt Price wrote: > > hey folks, > > > > after months of delaing with an unbearably crashy realtek driver > > (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/585938), I've > pretty > > well had enough & am ready to buy a replacement. I just wondered if > anyone > > had suggestions for chipsets or, even better, products I cna purchase, > with > > absolutely bombproof linux support. I am pretty well appalled at how bad > my > > realtek is and if i'm putting out extra money for a different product, > would > > like to be sure that the linux support is sterling. thanks, > > matt > > > > > > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA > > ?It can takes months to gain a customer, but only seconds to lose one" > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 17 21:18:58 2010 From: avolkov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Volkov) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 17:18:58 -0400 Subject: help with understanding a BASH warning In-Reply-To: <201008170935.48265.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <201008170935.48265.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <1282079939.2568.1.camel@alex-laptop.vlk.int> On a debian system, try #dpkg-reconfigure locales Select locales you wish to install, select default locale, then login & logout. That should fix it. On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 09:35 -0400, bob 295 wrote: > When I run a BASH script from an ssh terminal session I seem to get this > warning: > > /bin/bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US) > > when I run > > locale > > at both ends of the ssh I seem to get same values for all the environment > variables which get listed. ie. they are all set to en_US > > A quick Google didn't enlighten me as to why this warning comes up and how I > might get rid of it. > > Thanks in advance for all your help. > > bob > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 17 21:22:36 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 17:22:36 -0400 Subject: decent pci express/ pci express mini wireless card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100817212236.GU2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 03:16:11PM -0400, Matt Price wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > > > Mini as in mini-PCI for a laptop? You may want to make sure that your > > laptop actually supports alternate cards. My last HP had a BIOS > > setting which locked it to crappy realtek cards. An unauthorized card > > (in my case an decent Intel one) brought up an error on the BIOS > > screen and wouldn't allow the machine to boot. > > > > > > i just got off the phone w/ thinkpad support & they assure me it's not > bios-locked. but i guess that assurance may or may not be absolutely > reliable... Which thinkpad model? Certainly many thinkpads have a build option for intel 5100 cards (which work VERY well with linux.). I am very happy I explicitly ordered my thinkpad with the 5100 card. I have never had an issue with it in linux. I mainly use it with 802.11n 5ghz, but it works with abgn at 2.4 and 5ghz. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 18 03:38:48 2010 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: $200 (US) PC... In-Reply-To: <20100812222748.GR2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100812222748.GR2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <61152.49914.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > From: Lennart Sorensen > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: $200 (US) PC... > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 6:27 PM > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 02:57:31PM > -0700, E K wrote: > > I just got an HP G62 with 3G RAM, 320G HDD and AMD > P320 CPU for cd$400. With such price on the market, the > saving will not be worth the effort ... specially if one > finds the preloaded Windows 7 useful. > > Some of us want quality reliable hardware though. > quality? for $200? EK > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 18 13:20:15 2010 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 09:20:15 -0400 Subject: help with understanding a BASH warning In-Reply-To: <1282079939.2568.1.camel-IQZxulZUYND6oajY/uyIfbiLipseT2r8@public.gmane.org> References: <201008170935.48265.icanprogram@295.ca> <1282079939.2568.1.camel@alex-laptop.vlk.int> Message-ID: <201008180920.18234.icanprogram@295.ca> I want to understand what this warning is all about. If I understand things "setlocale" is a function in the C library. Since I'm not running any C code, I'm assuming that the BASH interpreter itself is calling this function to set its locale. Why the warning? Thanks in advance for your help. bob On Tuesday 17 August 2010 05:18 pm, Alex Volkov wrote: > On a debian system, try > > #dpkg-reconfigure locales > > Select locales you wish to install, select default locale, then login & > logout. > > That should fix it. > > On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 09:35 -0400, bob 295 wrote: > > When I run a BASH script from an ssh terminal session I seem to get this > > warning: > > > > /bin/bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US) > > > > when I run > > > > locale > > > > at both ends of the ssh I seem to get same values for all the environment > > variables which get listed. ie. they are all set to en_US > > > > A quick Google didn't enlighten me as to why this warning comes up and > > how I might get rid of it. > > > > Thanks in advance for all your help. > > > > bob > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 18 16:26:13 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:26:13 -0400 Subject: $200 (US) PC... In-Reply-To: <61152.49914.qm-XZZpPA3K4zX5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20100812222748.GR2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <61152.49914.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100818162613.GV2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 08:38:48PM -0700, E K wrote: > quality? for $200? Well I don't buy $200 computers. I wait until I can afford a good one instead. I don't believe in disposible electronics. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 18 16:58:09 2010 From: alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:58:09 -0300 Subject: help with understanding a BASH warning In-Reply-To: <201008170935.48265.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <201008170935.48265.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: Hi Bob, It sounds like you ssh server define which environment variables an user can send. Server side: /etc/ssh/sshd_config look for AcceptEnv - manpage sshd_config(5) Client side: /etc/ssh/ssh_config or ~/.ssh/config look for SendEnv - manpage ssh_config(5) When the client log in at the server, it send all the environment variables it was configured to send, but server may accept or not according to it's configuration. Best Regards, Alexandre Alencar http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ COBIT, ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:35 AM, bob 295 wrote: > When I run a BASH script from an ssh terminal session I seem to get this > warning: > > /bin/bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US) > > when I run > > locale > > at both ends of the ssh I seem to get same values for all the environment > variables which get listed. ? ie. they are all set to en_US > > A quick Google didn't enlighten me as to why this warning comes up and how I > might get rid of it. > > Thanks in advance for all your help. > > bob > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 18 18:09:12 2010 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:09:12 -0400 Subject: help with understanding a BASH warning In-Reply-To: References: <201008170935.48265.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <201008181409.14138.icanprogram@295.ca> Thanks. I looked at my systems: ssh client is sending LC_* ssh server is accepting LC_* So that doesn't seem to explain the warning. If it was an ssh issue why is the warning coming from BASH? More confusing to me is why it is coming from setlocale which is a function in the C library? Thanks in advance for your help. bob On Wednesday 18 August 2010 12:58 pm, Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar wrote: > Hi Bob, > > It sounds like you ssh server define which environment variables an > user can send. > > Server side: /etc/ssh/sshd_config look for AcceptEnv - manpage > sshd_config(5) Client side: /etc/ssh/ssh_config or ~/.ssh/config look for > SendEnv - manpage ssh_config(5) > > When the client log in at the server, it send all the environment > variables it was configured to send, but server may accept or not > according to it's configuration. > > Best Regards, > > Alexandre Alencar > http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ > http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ > COBIT, ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:35 AM, bob 295 wrote: > > When I run a BASH script from an ssh terminal session I seem to get this > > warning: > > > > /bin/bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US) > > > > when I run > > > > locale > > > > at both ends of the ssh I seem to get same values for all the environment > > variables which get listed. ? ie. they are all set to en_US > > > > A quick Google didn't enlighten me as to why this warning comes up and > > how I might get rid of it. > > > > Thanks in advance for all your help. > > > > bob > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 18 18:12:56 2010 From: alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 15:12:56 -0300 Subject: help with understanding a BASH warning In-Reply-To: <201008170935.48265.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <201008170935.48265.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: When this happen for a local shell, it's because the desired location was not installed... For all my systems, I use to install pt_BR, pt_BR.UTF-8, en_US, en_US.UTF-8 just because I had this problem in the past and I fixed installing missing locale files You should see a line like (for en_US sample) ... warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US): No such file or directory Check it out Alexandre Alencar http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ COBIT, ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:35 AM, bob 295 wrote: > When I run a BASH script from an ssh terminal session I seem to get this > warning: > > /bin/bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US) > > when I run > > locale > > at both ends of the ssh I seem to get same values for all the environment > variables which get listed. ? ie. they are all set to en_US > > A quick Google didn't enlighten me as to why this warning comes up and how I > might get rid of it. > > Thanks in advance for all your help. > > bob > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From antoniosun-N9AOi2cAC9ZBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 18 20:52:41 2010 From: antoniosun-N9AOi2cAC9ZBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Antonio T. Sun) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Custom build your very own Live Linux (long) Message-ID: [WARNING: this is a long post] Hi, I believe that most of us have a few Linux Live CDs handy, but have you thought of creating your own Live Linux systems with your own choices of tools, preferences, and docs? Read on if you answer yes to any of the following questions: - Have you ever hope that your favourite Live CDs include that extra tool that you love? - On the other hand, did you ever feel that it is a waste of space for general purpose Live CDs to include 2 file managers, 3 email clients, 5 window managers and 7 text editors? - For those Live CDs that include one and only one tool for each task, did you ever feel uncomfortable that someone else is making the decision for you? Ok, I know that people know a lot of such Live CDs building tools. For example, grml-live from GRML will allow you to *custom build* a Live CDs *in a single command*. This is not news at all. I'm talking something new today -- These are what grml users had been asking/longing for: On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:32:01 +0100, Lars-Erik Helander wrote: > Regarding the persistence solution, I think I would rather like to have > a solution where the installed packages are not forced to be loaded into > main memory - as I understand that the live-snapshot would do, or ...? > Do grml have some toolchain that will allow me to either add stuff to an > existing squashfs or have the system "union mount" additional squashfs > files? * Michael Schierl gmx.de> [20061105 19:15]: > . . . I want to carry around as few disks > as possible. So I thought if it is possible to splitting the squashfs > image into two images that are merged by unionfs, where the smaller > one contains a basic system that includes all stuff from grml-small > (which may be larger than 50MB, but as small as possible) and have a > cheatcode to load only the small part into ram (and not use the large > part at all). I do not know if this is feasible . . . but the answer isn't available up until now -- now, you can build a stacked Debian Live system with the help of aufs + grml tools. But why "stacked" you may ask first. If grml is build on top of grml-medium, which is build on top of grml-small, then putting all 3 flavor on the same USB would not cost you more than one CD space, whereas currently it almost needs two. Another great advantage is that, I never need to remaster my live system any more just for my own customization -- putting my extra stuff in is just as simple as putting in several modules. My live-usb always contains the latest tools/docs of my own, without going through the live system remastering process. I had about 7 layered modules that I build for slax and I just put them on top of grml. It works perfectly. Further, with stacked live system, you can, for the first time, load grml-small into ram (or grml-medium depending on your ram size), and leave the rest on USB/CD. Most importantly, it?ll be much faster. Suppose your stacked live system is layered like the following: 1. All console tools 2. Xorg + lightweight window manager + essential X tools like gparted 3. Heavy weight desktop system (Gnome/Kde) 4. Occasionally used applications (OOffice/Latex) If you limit your self to only certain tasks (say console-only hacks), then you only need a limited number of modules to be loaded; all other modules are not loaded on start up. hence it will start faster, use less ram, and cause applications to run faster. Moreover your CD drive will only seek in a small area (instead of all across the whole CD). You don?t even need to load it to ram if the loaded modules can be fully cached by the kernel. This significantly improves the speed. On the other hand, you can enjoy the full fledged desktop applications if you want to, from the very same CD. Furthermore, from the practical point of view, 1. it might not be that easy to get everything straight out when you first try grml-live. So it is better to start small at first. My first layer is only about 100M big, so it is much faster to build than going for the whole 700M CD, considering you need to run it over and over to get it perfect. If you have successful gained a solid ground, you can then go one step further. Having such stacked framework enable you try each step individually, if you screw it, you don?t need to start all over again. 2. having such stacked framework makes it possible for my own system customizations to survive system upgrading. I just need to make customized changes to my own system once and only once (for example setting up an anonymous ftp uploading capability with write-only no-read-back access). Then no matter how many brand-new installations I do later on, I don?t need to do such customizations again, because my customizations stay on the upper level than the installed system. If this seems interesting to you, please head to http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=stacked_grml and read the complete solution. Thanks -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 18 20:58:55 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:58:55 -0400 Subject: Custom build your very own Live Linux (long) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Antonio T. Sun wrote: > [WARNING: this is a long post] > > Hi, > > I believe that most of us have a few Linux Live CDs handy, but > have you thought of creating your own Live Linux systems with > your own choices of tools, preferences, and docs? [snip] Yes, and here is how I attacked the problem in 2003 :-) : http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7127 Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From antoniosun-N9AOi2cAC9ZBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 18 21:09:07 2010 From: antoniosun-N9AOi2cAC9ZBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Antonio T. Sun) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: suspend-hybrid under ubuntu? References: <20100622144137.GA2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100622153039.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: I chose uswsusp over pm-utils after some extensive reading. On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:52:44 -0400, Matt Price wrote: > just to confirm, we're talking about > hybrid suspend, right? in which the kernel suspends to disk but powers > down to S3, so in effect you suspend to RAM with a backup to disk. Yes, I do that with uswsusp on my laptop, having patched it to recognized my box. YMMW. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 18 21:24:24 2010 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Digimer) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 17:24:24 -0400 Subject: Custom build your very own Live Linux (long) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C6C4F88.80204@alteeve.com> On 10-08-18 04:52 PM, Antonio T. Sun wrote: > [WARNING: this is a long post] > > Hi, You lost me by making your email sound like a late-night infomercial pitch. -- Digimer E-Mail: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 19 02:22:10 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:22:10 -0400 Subject: $200 (US) PC... In-Reply-To: <20100818162613.GV2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100812222748.GR2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <61152.49914.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100818162613.GV2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 08:38:48PM -0700, E K wrote: >> quality? for $200? > > Well I don't buy $200 computers. ?I wait until I can afford a good > one instead. ?I don't believe in disposable electronics. I don't believe in disposable electronics either, but I also find that using the criteria in the article that started this thread (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2366841,00.asp), I also don't spend a lot more than $200 (US) for a computer. Remember that the original article didn't include a keyboard, mouse or monitor in the cost for the computer (which could easily add $150+ to the cost of the system). In my case when building a system I do tend to go with ASUS motherboards (which in my experience are NORMALLY rock solid), and I typically go for a bit better than a bare bones case (and a much better than bare bones case when I a building a home theater MythTV box). So, because of the motherboard and case I will go over $200... Still, I normally go with trailing edge CPU chips, reuse parts from older systems and otherwise cut as many corners as is practical to save money :-) . Colin. > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 19 02:40:07 2010 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:40:07 -0400 Subject: MyTTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 19:17, Colin McGregor wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Robert Brockway > wrote: >> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Fabio FZero wrote: >> >>> Really? MyTTC has saved my newcomer ass a handful of times when I >>> arrived. Now I'm used enough to the TTC to figure out the best route >>> looking at Google Maps instead. >> >> I've always used the oh-so-user-friendly TTC site ;) > > Funny how we find / stick to tools... I wasn't aware of the MyTTC > site, but then I've lived in Toronto for enough years that most places > I already know well enough that I don't need the services of a guide > and for the parts of the city I don't know well I will turn to a TTC > map (from the TTC web site or a printed guide...). In other words, the > MyTTC site is nicely done / slick, but I don't see myself using it > very often (if ever). > > I did try asking MyTTC for an ambiguous route, from my home near Yonge > & Eglinton to the intersection of Bloor and Dundas (remember that > Bloor and Dundas intersect at two places). I then tried several other > start points around the city. MyTTC seems to think that only the > eastern most Bloor and Dundas intersection exists... They do have a pretty good customer service if you report errors in routes. You just have to fill the form. As a bug report freak myself, I have been in contact with them a bunch of times. They also use the geolocation feature on Chrome and Firefox to detect your major intersection, but it doesn't work very well, as it believes I live inside the nearby park. > Another non-TTC but TTC related site that I have had fun looking at is > a site run by some local transit fans : transit.toronto.on.ca . ?So, > all sorts of trivia about the TTC, like the "abandoned" subway > stations : transit.toronto.on.ca/subway/5006.shtml . Or a look at the > PCC series street cars (the last of which were in operation when I > moved to Toronto, but have now all been pulled from service) : > transit.toronto.on.ca/streetcar/4502.shtml This is cool, during the weekend they were doing maintenance on bay station again and those who transferred to Museum probably had the opportunity to see Lower Bay for a few moments. It looks like the "real Bay", but from other dimension, without the ads, with some dust... it's weird. On the TTC website you can arrange a guided visit to Lower Bay, they do that like twice a year. -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatarocha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 19 13:11:23 2010 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:11:23 -0400 Subject: tset In-Reply-To: (slackrat-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org's message of "Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:49:14 -0400") References: Message-ID: <85aaoisq6c.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> X-From-Line: slackrat-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 19 07:49:32 2010 Return-Path: Received: from smtp5-g21.free.fr (smtp5-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.5]) by darkstar1.azurservers.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o7JBnSEs031531 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:49:31 -0400 Received: from azurb803043d5d (CPE00259c2ea46f-CM000a739b21e0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.230.239.78]) (Authenticated sender: slackrat) by smtp5-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C5DF4D4801A for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:49:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Gnus-Mail-Source: file:/var/spool/mail/inconnu Message-ID: From: "SlackRat" To: Subject: tset Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:49:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Lines: 6 Xref: darkstar1.azurservers.com maillist.tlug:6664 azur-b803043d5d azur-b803043d5d azur-b803043d5d -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 19 18:14:15 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:14:15 -0700 Subject: tset In-Reply-To: <85aaoisq6c.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK+fHhOEst38E2irXDjt672IAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <85aaoisq6c.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Message-ID: TSET? tset(1) tset(1) NAME tset, reset - terminal initialization SYNOPSIS tset [-IQVcqrsw] [-] [-e ch] [-i ch] [-k ch] [-m mapping] [terminal] reset [-IQVcqrsw] [-] [-e ch] [-i ch] [-k ch] [-m mapping] [terminal] DESCRIPTION Tset initializes terminals. Tset first determines the type of terminal that you are using. This determination is done as follows, using the first terminal type found. 1. The terminal argument specified on the command line. 2. The value of the TERM environmental variable. 3. (BSD systems only.) The terminal type associated with the standard error output device in the /etc/ttys file. (On Linux and System-V-like UNIXes, getty does this job by setting TERM according to the type passed to it by /etc/inittab.) 4. The default terminal type, ``unknown''. ... On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Slack Rat wrote: > X-From-Line: slackrat-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org ?Thu Aug 19 07:49:32 2010 > Return-Path: > Received: from smtp5-g21.free.fr (smtp5-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.5]) > ? ? ? ?by darkstar1.azurservers.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o7JBnSEs031531 > ? ? ? ?for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:49:31 -0400 > Received: from azurb803043d5d (CPE00259c2ea46f-CM000a739b21e0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.230.239.78]) > ? ? ? ?(Authenticated sender: slackrat) > ? ? ? ?by smtp5-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C5DF4D4801A > ? ? ? ?for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:49:19 +0200 (CEST) > X-Gnus-Mail-Source: file:/var/spool/mail/inconnu > Message-ID: > From: "SlackRat" > To: > Subject: tset > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:49:14 -0400 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 > Lines: 6 > Xref: darkstar1.azurservers.com maillist.tlug:6664 > > azur-b803043d5d > > azur-b803043d5d > > azur-b803043d5d > -- > Slackrat > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2/DCTS/CLA ?It can takes months to gain a customer, but only seconds to lose one" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 19 18:31:47 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:31:47 -0400 Subject: OSPF vs AntNet Message-ID: FYI For networking geek, this is interesting information Apparently, though OSPF in the most popular routing protocol, its performance is not the best. AntNet is three times better at throughput and and at par with OSPF in latency Unfortunately, AntNet was proposed in 1997 when OSPF had taken all the market telecom.section.informs.org/conference06/16227.pdf Have anyone heard of AntNet before? Thought it was a very interesting concept William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 19 19:19:14 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:19:14 -0400 Subject: OSPF vs AntNet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100819191914.GW2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 02:31:47PM -0400, William Muriithi wrote: > For networking geek, this is interesting information > > Apparently, though OSPF in the most popular routing protocol, its > performance is not the best. AntNet is three times better at > throughput and and at par with OSPF in latency > > Unfortunately, AntNet was proposed in 1997 when OSPF had taken all the market > > telecom.section.informs.org/conference06/16227.pdf > > Have anyone heard of AntNet before? Thought it was a very interesting concept Interesting. It seems so nondeterministic, but on the other hand, OSPF being shortest path by design, will easily end up routing all traffic through one link, if that is the shortest option, rather than using more links if there is enough traffic to warrent it. It appears AntNet will change routes over time if traffic patterns change. Of course quagga doesn't implement it (no idea if anyone does), so the chances of seeing it in use are pretty slim. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 20 17:20:52 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: hardware war-story Message-ID: I have an eMachine T2625. It has an Athlon 2600+ XP CPU, which should give you an idea of its age. It was acting unreliably. In particular, it would fail memtest86+ whatever memory I put into it. But not badly. So it would mostly work -- enough to boot and run Linux or WinXP for quite a while. Solution: new heat-sink grease on the CPU. I figured this out after much trial and error. I'll not bother you with that part of the story. The BIOS reported the CPU temperature, and it seemed reasonable to me before applying the grease. It did drop 5-8 degrees (according to the BIOS) after greasing. More (possibly boring) details: I got the computer from an "Environment Day" a few years ago -- I rescued it from being recycled. It hasn't been very reliable for me. I suspect that the original owners found it unreliable too -- there are Best Buy stickers on it that I'm guessing mean they took it in for service. I changed the power supply early on. That seemed to improve things. I never really used it much. I find it too noisy, among other things. I just keep it as a junker for mucking about with, and I don't get around to mucking about much. I recently did a memtest86+ run to see if it would take faster RAM (because that is what I had on hand, and I wanted to know if it would work in a similar machine that I didn't want to take out of service for the experiment). The test failed. In fact, with all combinations of memory sticks, including the original, the tests failed. But not solidly. It usually took somewhere between 5 and 20 minutes for a failure to show up. The original grease was the kind of fusible strip that comes on HSF assemblies. It melts the first time the CPU is turned on. But if you remove the HSF, I think you need to replace the goo. Most folks don't have grease laying about. Current products are expensive and come in small doses. I happened to have a 2oz tube remaining from building a PIII system a dozen years ago. It seems to be good enough even though the newer stuff ought to be better (it would take 16 of these to give you 2oz, costing $128). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 20 23:16:15 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 19:16:15 -0400 Subject: Laserjet III, unknown condition Message-ID: Someone down the street from me has placed a carefully boxed (complete with documentation) Laserjet III on the curb. It appears to be in good physical condition, and I'm assuming it's working given that it was packed and labeled - but my guess is it may need a new toner cartridge. And I would expect that it uses one of them old parallel port thingies. Don't need it myself: I have a networked Laserjet 4050N that I absolutely love. This series of printers are incredibly reliable and long-lasting. If anyone is interested I'll happily go out and drag it into my apartment so you can come and retrieve it - although I require your word that you'll do so within a week. I'm in North Toronto. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 21 10:47:28 2010 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 06:47:28 -0400 Subject: hardware war-story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 20 August 2010 13:20, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Most folks don't have grease laying about. ?Current products are > expensive and come in small doses. Sayal Electronics sells a small tube, enough for several CPU's, for $1. It's just the basic silicon & ceramic white stuff; not quite as good as the metal based products; but ok for many situations. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 21 13:25:41 2010 From: adb-SACILpcuo74 at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 09:25:41 -0400 Subject: $200 (US) PC... In-Reply-To: <20100818162613.GV2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100812222748.GR2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <61152.49914.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100818162613.GV2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100821132541.GB11655@adb.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well I don't buy $200 computers. I wait until I can afford a good > one instead. I don't believe in disposible electronics. Back in 2000, I spent about $2k buying a decent Thinkpad. Today I have a laptop that still boots and runs (on AC only) and is just hideously obsolete. A $200 computer today runs circles around it CPU-wise, weighs just a wee fraction, and has built-in 11G and actual battery life. Lesson: you may not want something that massively outlasts its upgrade-by date. Take good backups for when the current machine dies and you need to replace it, but you were going to do that anyway. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 21 14:43:17 2010 From: meng-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (meng) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:43:17 -0400 Subject: OT: Teksavvy Cable (installed) Message-ID: <6988feeba1b4c1134f997740c056f036@teksavvy.com> Hi Just an update for those who may be interested. Thanks again to those who replied to my original post. After 4 re-submissions of my order from Teksavvy to Rogers, a tech showed up unannounced at my front door, at 8:45 this morning. By 9:05am, I was up and running. I later found out, Rogers had informed Teksavvy yesterday that the tech was scheduled on site today, but Teksavvy did not inform me. I had waited in vain, 8am-11am on Wednesday, as instructed. >From my experience and some complaints on the web, it seems that the activation/installation process is a mess. I was informed by Teksavvy support that communication between Teksavvy and Rogers is via email. I hope that the issues with the activation/installation process are resolved soon. I have been a Teksavvy DSL user for years and recommend them. However, cable is a new service with them and so I recommend keeping your existing service while Teksavvy cable is installed. At least, I'm doing so; of course YMMV :-) Cheers Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 21 15:35:03 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 11:35:03 -0400 Subject: Installing xfe on base Debian In-Reply-To: References: <20100816194629.GS2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 16 August 2010 22:44, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: >> At some point, installing 'recommended' packages became default. ?In the >> past only requires packages were installed. ?This can be changed in the >> configuration of apt though. ?aptitude has it's own configuration as >> well for similar controls (including installing suggested packages if >> so desired). > > Running 'aptitude -R install ' will drop the recommended > packages from the download. I discovered it when I wanted to install a > very basic Gnome for a friend and didn't want to install extras like > Evolution and substitute wicd vs network manager. Thanks to those who helped. I've added a file to my system: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02norecommendssuggests With the contents: APT::Install-Recommends "false"; APT::Install-Suggests "false"; This seems to do the trick. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 21 18:55:39 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: $200 (US) PC... In-Reply-To: <20100821132541.GB11655-SACILpcuo74@public.gmane.org> References: <20100812222748.GR2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <61152.49914.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100818162613.GV2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100821132541.GB11655@adb.ca> Message-ID: [Warning: long and rambling.] | From: Anthony de Boer | Lennart Sorensen wrote: | > Well I don't buy $200 computers. I wait until I can afford a good | > one instead. There's merit in what you say, up until... | > I don't believe in disposible electronics. As Anthony says, most electronics will or should be disposed of sooner than one would like. One problem: it is really hard to predict the useful lifetime. Progress in the computer world comes by fits and starts. A notebook is a worst case since it is hard to upgrade many dimensions. Batteries wear out and often they do so at a point where it is hard to justify replacing them -- the battery costs more than the value of the notebook with a good battery. | Back in 2000, I spent about $2k buying a decent Thinkpad. Today I have a | laptop that still boots and runs (on AC only) and is just hideously | obsolete. A $200 computer today runs circles around it CPU-wise, weighs | just a wee fraction, and has built-in 11G and actual battery life. Another data-point (I'm also mentioning it in case someone would be interested in buying one): I was looking at a used Toshiba Tecra M7 tablet in TechSource yesterday. They wanted $350 for a machine that was probably $1800-2000 new in 2006. In a number of dimensions it was fine: - 14" 1440x900 screen with a decent digitizer (but the screen looked a bit dim). That's quite good. - Core Duo T2400 processor @ ~1.8GHz. Fine. It sure outperforms an Atom. 32-bit only, no virtualization. - 2G RAM. Fine. - hinge slightly wobbly. Would need some consideration. Since they have several for sale, one could perhaps cherry-pick. - 6 pounds. Seems like too much for a tablet - Windows XP Tablet Edition + OneNote. If you need MS Windows, that's good but not as good as Windows 7. I don't need Windows. - 80G hard drive. A little light by today's standards. - the battery worked but might well be seriously degraded. - well built. definitely used. That seems like a reasonable deal. So, in the 4 years since the introduction of that model, even without catastrophic obsolescence, it has lost 80% of its value. | Lesson: you may not want something that massively outlasts its | upgrade-by date. Take good backups for when the current machine dies | and you need to replace it, but you were going to do that anyway. Few after-purchase upgrades make sense for notebooks. - I often max out RAM after purchase - I have upgraded disks a couple of times, but not routinely - I once bought a third-party replacement battery I don't remember doing any other upgrades. Non-notebooks *can* have longer lives. I'm using dozen-year-old PCs as network gateways. Anthony knows that: he transported one from Ottawa for me (thanks!). These days, For most tasks, I find little practical use for machines older than eight years (my Myth Box). My oldest computer, an Altair, is over 30 years old. It isn't actually useful for anything. I find it hard to get rid of anything with the slightest perceived value. I gave away some DEC Alpha-based computers to Lennart -- thanks, Lennart, for allowing me a guilt-free exit. If you are going to keep a computer for a long time, it might as well be a good one (an argument in favour of Lennart's orginal point). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 21 21:25:49 2010 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:25:49 -0400 Subject: Free (Old) Linux Games, In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20041219152240.009e2010-l9/oolyNyK73oGB3hsPCZA@public.gmane.org> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20041219152240.009e2010@pop3.ilap.com> Message-ID: <4C70445D.2070106@utoronto.ca> Hey everyone, I am in the process of moving and I have a large number of old Linux games (back from the "golden age" of Loki). If someone is interested in taking them, please send me an email directly. Cheers, Marcus -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From peter.king.1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 22 01:54:49 2010 From: peter.king.1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:54:49 -0400 Subject: Hardware Wars, round 2 Message-ID: Well, my home Linux box has developed a strange habit. Twice now it has just... stopped... while I was doing inoffensive things. And what's more, it wouldn't boot up: the machine would go through the full BIOS tests, read out a message saying "Checking DMI pool" or some such, and then wait forever. No grub stage loading, but also no message saying that a boot record couldn't be found. It would just sit there. The first time I tried many things, the last of which was to open the case and reseat everything -- after which it booted up, so I though there was just a loose connection. Well, not this time. The first thing (and the fourth and fifth and seventh) was to (re)check all the connections. No good. Then I booted from a SysRescue DVD, chrooted into the regular root drive, and everything looked just fine. Lots more poking, but nothing worked until I manually called up a Boot Device Selection menu from the BIOS, then selected "Hard Drive" and then the particular hard drive I have the rootfs on. Voila! It booted up without a hiccup anywhere. What is going on? The motherboard/BIOS is about three months old, a GIgabyte I put in after two ASUS motherboards failed on me. I also changed the CPU, and the power supply, and added several different drives. For the record, the system is up-to-date (as of this morning) stable Gentoo, running 2.6.35 with grub 0.97-r10. I can't imagine the rest of my configuration matters since the problem, at least the immediate problem, is that the drive won't (reliably) boot up. Or maybe this is a sign that I should get a new boot drive. Probably not a bad idea. If only it weren't so much trouble to clone boot drives... -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 22 05:38:30 2010 From: daniel-HRJVlgn2G/y5aS82P/H3Zg at public.gmane.org (Daniel Wayne Armstrong) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 01:38:30 -0400 Subject: $200 (US) PC... In-Reply-To: References: <20100812222748.GR2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <61152.49914.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100818162613.GV2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100821132541.GB11655@adb.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 2:55 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > My oldest computer, an Altair, is over 30 years old. ?It isn't > actually useful for anything. ?I find it hard to get rid of anything You have an Altair? Cool! I recently finished reading the 25th anniversary edition of Steven Levy's "Hackers" and enjoyed the history of MITS and the Altair and the Homebrew Computer Club. -- ?? ((@)) (\__/) -- Daniel (=.= ) -- http://circuidipity.com (")_(") -- http://identi.ca/dwa -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 22 05:37:39 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 01:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Hardware Wars, round 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Peter King | Or maybe this is a | sign that I should get a new boot drive. Probably not a bad idea. If | only it weren't so much trouble to clone boot drives... What's hard about cloning boot drives? I've done it a number of times via brute force. If a) your boot drive is large enough that geometry doesn't matter (8.5G or more, I imagine), and b) the target drive has at least as many tracks as your boot drive, and c) you can install the target drive, then the following simple procedure should work: - install target drive - boot a live Linux CD - do a dd from the boot drive to the target drive. Don't screw this up. For example, getting it backwards is fatal to the system. time dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=100M This assumes that /dev/sda is the boot disk and /dev/sdb is the target drive. Check carefully! This copies the whole disk: all partitions. Flaw 1: If you get a disk error, dd will stop (I think). You are on your own at that point. The "time" is just because it is sometimes interesting to know how long this takes At this point, your target disk is a clone of your boot disk. If the target disk is larger than the boot disk, you will have some space that is not in any partition. You can fix that with gparted or fdisk or whatever. Flaw 2: if your target disk was formerly used by some RAID systems, it might have crud at the end of the disk saying so. The dd did not erase this if the target is larger than the boot disk. See -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 22 07:20:29 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 03:20:29 -0400 Subject: Hardware Wars, round 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100822072028.GA5989@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 01:37:39AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Peter King > > | Or maybe this is a > | sign that I should get a new boot drive. Probably not a bad idea. If > | only it weren't so much trouble to clone boot drives... > > What's hard about cloning boot drives? I've done it a number of times > via brute force. I've always felt uncomfortable with "dd" when the two disks are not the same. I use "cp -ax". -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 22 13:01:36 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:01:36 -0400 Subject: $200 (US) PC... In-Reply-To: References: <20100812222748.GR2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <61152.49914.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100818162613.GV2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100821132541.GB11655@adb.ca> Message-ID: <4C711FB0.9010503@rogers.com> Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote: > On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 2:55 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > >> My oldest computer, an Altair, is over 30 years old. It isn't >> actually useful for anything. I find it hard to get rid of anything >> > You have an Altair? Cool! I recently finished reading the 25th > anniversary edition of Steven Levy's "Hackers" and enjoyed the history > of MITS and the Altair and the Homebrew Computer Club. > > > I used to have an IMSAI 8080, which I bought in Nov. 1976. However, I sold it several years ago. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 22 22:36:11 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:36:11 -0400 Subject: Bash parameter expansion Message-ID: With Debian's recent change to the way it handles device names at boot-up, I can't count on / being on sda anymore. Today it's on sde, but what I've read suggests that that may change. This messes up my automatic backup of the MBR, so I'm trying to figure out how to determine this value automatically. What I've come up with so far is this: tmp="$(mount | grep [[:space:]]/[[:space:]])" ; tmp1=${tmp%% *}; tmp2=${tmp1#/dev/} ; echo ${tmp2%%[0123456789]*} Two questions: is there an easier way to determine this value without pulling it out of mount like that? And: is there an easier way to do a string of Bash parameter expansions than assigning to multiple temp values like that? Even if there's an simple answer for the first question I'd love an answer to the second as I've had to use that messy method several times. (I know I can do this in awk or perl more easily: I'd like to stick to Bash here.) Thanks in advance. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 23 00:12:43 2010 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bash parameter expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010, Giles Orr wrote: > With Debian's recent change to the way it handles device names at > boot-up, I can't count on / being on sda anymore. Today it's on sde, > but what I've read suggests that that may change. This messes up my > automatic backup of the MBR, so I'm trying to figure out how to > determine this value automatically. What I've come up with so far is > this: > > tmp="$(mount | grep [[:space:]]/[[:space:]])" ; tmp1=${tmp%% *}; > tmp2=${tmp1#/dev/} ; echo ${tmp2%%[0123456789]*} > > Two questions: is there an easier way to determine this value without > pulling it out of mount like that? ## these use non-standard bashisms { read; read tmp junk; } < <(df /) echo ${tmp:5:3} > And: is there an easier way to do > a string of Bash parameter expansions than assigning to multiple temp > values like that? You can use the same variable for each expansion, e.g.: tmp=$(whatever) tmp=${tmp#??} tmp=${tmp%*[0-9]} However, each expansion is a separate operation. > Even if there's an simple answer for the first > question I'd love an answer to the second as I've had to use that > messy method several times. (I know I can do this in awk or perl more > easily: I'd like to stick to Bash here.) Thanks in advance. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 23 07:24:43 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:24:43 -0400 Subject: Bash parameter expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C72223B.7060503@utoronto.ca> On 8/22/2010 6:36 PM, Giles Orr wrote: > With Debian's recent change to the way it handles device names at > boot-up, I can't count on / being on sda anymore. Today it's on sde, > but what I've read suggests that that may change. This messes up my > automatic backup of the MBR, so I'm trying to figure out how to > determine this value automatically. What I've come up with so far is > this: Try using blkid - assign your partitions labels and address them by that name or do without and use a uuid since those won't change unless you make them change yourself: /sbin/blkid -l -device -t LABEL=ROOTPARTITIONNAMEHERE /sbin/blkid -l -device -t UUID=12341234-1234-1234-1234-1234123412 Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 23 07:26:12 2010 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:26:12 -0400 Subject: Bash parameter expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C722294.8090301@utoronto.ca> On 8/22/2010 6:36 PM, Giles Orr wrote: > With Debian's recent change to the way it handles device names at > boot-up, I can't count on / being on sda anymore. Today it's on sde, > but what I've read suggests that that may change. This messes up my > automatic backup of the MBR, so I'm trying to figure out how to > determine this value automatically. What I've come up with so far is > this: *correction* : last email was missing -o before device, it should have read: /sbin/blkid -l -o device -t LABEL=ROOTPARTITIONNAMEHERE /sbin/blkid -l -o device -t UUID=12341234-1234-1234-1234-1234123412 Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 23 19:10:48 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:10:48 -0400 Subject: Hardware Wars, round 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100823191048.GX2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 01:37:39AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Peter King > > | Or maybe this is a > | sign that I should get a new boot drive. Probably not a bad idea. If > | only it weren't so much trouble to clone boot drives... > > What's hard about cloning boot drives? I've done it a number of times > via brute force. > > If > a) your boot drive is large enough that geometry doesn't matter (8.5G > or more, I imagine), and > > b) the target drive has at least as many tracks as your boot drive, > and > > c) you can install the target drive, > > then the following simple procedure should work: > > - install target drive > > - boot a live Linux CD > > - do a dd from the boot drive to the target drive. > Don't screw this up. For example, getting it > backwards is fatal to the system. > > time dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=100M Given the largest transfer request of ATA disks is usually 128KB, using bs=128k tends to be optimal. Having to read 100M from one disk, before writing 100M to the other looses parallel disk access benefits too. > This assumes that /dev/sda is the boot disk > and /dev/sdb is the target drive. Check carefully! > > This copies the whole disk: all partitions. > > Flaw 1: If you get a disk error, dd will stop (I think). > You are on your own at that point. adding 'conv=noerror' will simply skip the bad bit. > The "time" is just because it is sometimes interesting > to know how long this takes > > At this point, your target disk is a clone of your boot disk. > > If the target disk is larger than the boot disk, you will have some > space that is not in any partition. You can fix that with gparted or > fdisk or whatever. > > Flaw 2: if your target disk was formerly used by some RAID systems, it > might have crud at the end of the disk saying so. The dd did not > erase this if the target is larger than the boot disk. See > -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 23 19:14:23 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:14:23 -0400 Subject: Bash parameter expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100823191423.GY2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 06:36:11PM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > With Debian's recent change to the way it handles device names at > boot-up, I can't count on / being on sda anymore. Today it's on sde, > but what I've read suggests that that may change. This messes up my > automatic backup of the MBR, so I'm trying to figure out how to > determine this value automatically. What I've come up with so far is > this: That is a kernel change, not a Debian change. > tmp="$(mount | grep [[:space:]]/[[:space:]])" ; tmp1=${tmp%% *}; > tmp2=${tmp1#/dev/} ; echo ${tmp2%%[0123456789]*} > > Two questions: is there an easier way to determine this value without > pulling it out of mount like that? And: is there an easier way to do > a string of Bash parameter expansions than assigning to multiple temp > values like that? Even if there's an simple answer for the first > question I'd love an answer to the second as I've had to use that > messy method several times. (I know I can do this in awk or perl more > easily: I'd like to stick to Bash here.) Thanks in advance. Best option is look at /dev/disk/by-* Each disk will have a unique identifier (usually serial number based), so you can do things based on that. Much better than what you used to have. For example: /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD2500JD-22HBB0_WD-WCAL72953808 -> ../../sdb So simply using the consistent by-id names means not worriying about which /dev/sd* it happens to be today. It isn't your problem. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 23 19:17:06 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:17:06 -0400 Subject: $200 (US) PC... In-Reply-To: <20100821132541.GB11655-SACILpcuo74@public.gmane.org> References: <20100812222748.GR2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <61152.49914.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100818162613.GV2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100821132541.GB11655@adb.ca> Message-ID: <20100823191706.GZ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 09:25:41AM -0400, Anthony de Boer wrote: > Back in 2000, I spent about $2k buying a decent Thinkpad. Today I have a > laptop that still boots and runs (on AC only) and is just hideously > obsolete. A $200 computer today runs circles around it CPU-wise, weighs > just a wee fraction, and has built-in 11G and actual battery life. > > Lesson: you may not want something that massively outlasts its > upgrade-by date. Take good backups for when the current machine dies > and you need to replace it, but you were going to do that anyway. I have seen too many "cheap" laptops die in 1 to 2 years. They are junk, and they often have troubles before they outright die. And yes I have seen decade old thinkpads that just need a new battery (but are obviously old and slow, but they have always been reliable their entire lives). If it doesn't matter to you if it is realiable and lasts and works when you need it, then sure, cheap is the option to go for. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 23 19:18:42 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:18:42 -0400 Subject: Bash parameter expansion In-Reply-To: <20100823191423.GY2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100823191423.GY2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 06:36:11PM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: >> With Debian's recent change to the way it handles device names at >> boot-up, I can't count on / being on sda anymore. ?Today it's on sde, >> but what I've read suggests that that may change. ?This messes up my >> automatic backup of the MBR, so I'm trying to figure out how to >> determine this value automatically. ?What I've come up with so far is >> this: > > That is a kernel change, not a Debian change. > >> tmp="$(mount | grep [[:space:]]/[[:space:]])" ; tmp1=${tmp%% *}; >> tmp2=${tmp1#/dev/} ; echo ${tmp2%%[0123456789]*} >> >> Two questions: is there an easier way to determine this value without >> pulling it out of mount like that? ? And: is there an easier way to do >> a string of Bash parameter expansions than assigning to multiple temp >> values like that? ?Even if there's an simple answer for the first >> question I'd love an answer to the second as I've had to use that >> messy method several times. ?(I know I can do this in awk or perl more >> easily: I'd like to stick to Bash here.) ?Thanks in advance. > > Best option is look at /dev/disk/by-* > > Each disk will have a unique identifier (usually serial number based), so > you can do things based on that. ?Much better than what you used to have. > > For example: > > /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD2500JD-22HBB0_WD-WCAL72953808 -> ../../sdb > > So simply using the consistent by-id names means not worriying about > which /dev/sd* it happens to be today. ?It isn't your problem. Ah, slick. Here's sample output of this sort of thing: ls -l /dev/disk/by* /dev/disk/by-id: total 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Aug 19 11:19 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D -> ../../sda lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part1 -> ../../sda1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part10 -> ../../sda10 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part2 -> ../../sda2 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part3 -> ../../sda3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part4 -> ../../sda4 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part5 -> ../../sda5 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part6 -> ../../sda6 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part7 -> ../../sda7 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part8 -> ../../sda8 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part9 -> ../../sda9 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Aug 19 11:19 scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D -> ../../sda lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part1 -> ../../sda1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Aug 10 11:32 scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part10 -> ../../sda10 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part2 -> ../../sda2 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part3 -> ../../sda3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part4 -> ../../sda4 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part5 -> ../../sda5 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part6 -> ../../sda6 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part7 -> ../../sda7 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part8 -> ../../sda8 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part9 -> ../../sda9 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Aug 19 11:19 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1 -> ../../sda lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part1 -> ../../sda1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part10 -> ../../sda10 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part2 -> ../../sda2 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part3 -> ../../sda3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part4 -> ../../sda4 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part5 -> ../../sda5 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part6 -> ../../sda6 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part7 -> ../../sda7 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part8 -> ../../sda8 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part9 -> ../../sda9 /dev/disk/by-path: total 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Aug 19 11:19 pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0 -> ../../sda lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part1 -> ../../sda1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Aug 10 11:32 pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part10 -> ../../sda10 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part2 -> ../../sda2 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part3 -> ../../sda3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part4 -> ../../sda4 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part5 -> ../../sda5 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part6 -> ../../sda6 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part7 -> ../../sda7 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part8 -> ../../sda8 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part9 -> ../../sda9 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Aug 10 11:32 pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-1:0:0:0 -> ../../sr0 /dev/disk/by-uuid: total 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 64daee94-a903-4bbc-8d0a-86649e255bbc -> ../../sda5 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 6c3211c2-9222-4a29-b56f-907c9ea55661 -> ../../sda6 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 7480f326-b80b-4c22-ba3c-f5179d9d6d8b -> ../../sda9 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 79c3ffa9-4b98-42b4-ab1a-a86582132ace -> ../../sda7 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Aug 10 11:32 935b1f6c-346b-4d8c-a074-a92306656935 -> ../../sda10 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 9c6322f8-4ceb-42fb-b95f-9e34b834f4e8 -> ../../sda3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 aea3961d-6f97-4cbe-ad27-b6e863cef67c -> ../../sda1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 b38eb8c7-1f5f-4c9f-bfe8-963dcfe9a069 -> ../../sda8 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 c960ec6c-2bbc-4838-9099-1d986bbbbb77 -> ../../sda2 -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 23 19:21:13 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:21:13 -0400 Subject: Bash parameter expansion In-Reply-To: References: <20100823191423.GY2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100823192113.GA2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 03:18:42PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > Ah, slick. Yep. So you can either go by the attachment point (by-path) and not care which disk it is, just where is it attached, or use by-id and use the serial number of the disk to identify it, or by label for filesystems with labels (not whole disks), or by-uuid for filesystems with UUIDs (again, not whole disks in most cases, although you can probably do PV's for LVM that way). udev is nifty. > Here's sample output of this sort of thing: > > ls -l /dev/disk/by* > /dev/disk/by-id: > total 0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Aug 19 11:19 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D -> ../../sda > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part1 > -> ../../sda1 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part10 > -> ../../sda10 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part2 > -> ../../sda2 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part3 > -> ../../sda3 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part4 > -> ../../sda4 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part5 > -> ../../sda5 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part6 > -> ../../sda6 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part7 > -> ../../sda7 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part8 > -> ../../sda8 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 ata-ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part9 > -> ../../sda9 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Aug 19 11:19 scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D > -> ../../sda > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part1 -> ../../sda1 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Aug 10 11:32 > scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part10 -> ../../sda10 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part2 -> ../../sda2 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part3 -> ../../sda3 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part4 -> ../../sda4 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part5 -> ../../sda5 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part6 -> ../../sda6 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part7 -> ../../sda7 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part8 -> ../../sda8 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > scsi-SATA_ST3320418AS_6VMF0G0D-part9 -> ../../sda9 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Aug 19 11:19 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1 -> ../../sda > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part1 -> > ../../sda1 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part10 > -> ../../sda10 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part2 -> > ../../sda2 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part3 -> > ../../sda3 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part4 -> > ../../sda4 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part5 -> > ../../sda5 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part6 -> > ../../sda6 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part7 -> > ../../sda7 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part8 -> > ../../sda8 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 wwn-0x5000c50027931ff1-part9 -> > ../../sda9 > > /dev/disk/by-path: > total 0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Aug 19 11:19 pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0 > -> ../../sda > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part1 -> ../../sda1 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Aug 10 11:32 > pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part10 -> ../../sda10 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part2 -> ../../sda2 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part3 -> ../../sda3 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part4 -> ../../sda4 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part5 -> ../../sda5 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part6 -> ../../sda6 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part7 -> ../../sda7 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part8 -> ../../sda8 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-0:0:0:0-part9 -> ../../sda9 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Aug 10 11:32 pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-1:0:0:0 > -> ../../sr0 > > /dev/disk/by-uuid: > total 0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > 64daee94-a903-4bbc-8d0a-86649e255bbc -> ../../sda5 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > 6c3211c2-9222-4a29-b56f-907c9ea55661 -> ../../sda6 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > 7480f326-b80b-4c22-ba3c-f5179d9d6d8b -> ../../sda9 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > 79c3ffa9-4b98-42b4-ab1a-a86582132ace -> ../../sda7 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Aug 10 11:32 > 935b1f6c-346b-4d8c-a074-a92306656935 -> ../../sda10 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > 9c6322f8-4ceb-42fb-b95f-9e34b834f4e8 -> ../../sda3 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > aea3961d-6f97-4cbe-ad27-b6e863cef67c -> ../../sda1 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > b38eb8c7-1f5f-4c9f-bfe8-963dcfe9a069 -> ../../sda8 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug 10 11:32 > c960ec6c-2bbc-4838-9099-1d986bbbbb77 -> ../../sda2 -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 23 19:48:12 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:48:12 -0400 Subject: $200 (US) PC... In-Reply-To: <20100823191706.GZ2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100812222748.GR2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <61152.49914.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100818162613.GV2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100821132541.GB11655@adb.ca> <20100823191706.GZ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4C72D07C.6070002@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > nd yes I have seen decade old thinkpads that just need a new battery > I have a ThinkPad R31 that's over 8 years old and still going strong with a new battery I bought a few years ago. It runs Linux reliably, but often locks up in XP. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 24 06:05:30 2010 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:05:30 -0400 Subject: Anyone here working on RFID? Message-ID: I have a contact in the Caribbean that is looking for a partner to bid on a project to program and supply ID cards that have embedded biometrics (ie, RFID). I won't (and don't have time to) argue the merits of the technology -- this is what the RFP is requesting. If interested please email me ASAP. Evan Leibovitch evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 25 01:24:38 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:24:38 -0400 Subject: Plug computers Message-ID: I'm fascinated by the Plug Computers. Here's a probably incomplete list: Sheevaplug - the original - all that follow are based on it Cloudplug - local and cloud storage Pogoplug - cloud storage only, not local? Guruplug - several versions (incl. wifi!) but notorious for overheating Tonidoplug - adds "easy to use" software Quadplug - not much can be found about this one Seagate FreeAgent Dockstar - USB drive dock (Seagate drives only?) + Pogoplug functionality, probably the least "hackable" There's even a "Plugbox Linux" distro getting going. I'm inclined to go with the Sheevaplug. I love the idea of available wifi (and multiple other useful ports!) with the Guruplug, but most accounts indicate that it runs massively hot and is prone to failure. Does anyone own one? What do you use it for? It appears they have to come from the States, and I'm concerned about duties etc. at the border. Experiences there? The Guruplug with its extra hardware looks most appealing, but the overheating does seem to be a serious issue. References: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug_computer http://www.plugapps.com/index.php5?title=Main_Page (and many more, but these are most useful) -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 25 01:40:30 2010 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:40:30 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C74748E.7050100@gmail.com> On 10-08-24 21:24 , Giles Orr wrote: > > Does anyone own one? Yes; been using one of the original Sheevaplug development kits for about 18 months. Fun little machine - I use it as my music server, and ssh destination to all the other machines on my network. Mine runs Ubuntu 9.04, which is the latest that an ARM5 can run - all newer distros are ARM6 only. Quite fast, but its floating point is utterly dismal; don't expect to encode MP3s at any speed. Draws about 5W. Shipping was a bit slow - they seem to come over in batches, which are then individually shipped from the US. I had nothing payable on mine; YMMV. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 25 02:49:05 2010 From: jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Miles) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:49:05 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: <4C74748E.7050100-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4C74748E.7050100@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wow - these would be fantastic for my use. I could provide a vpn connection to our IPMI devices at customer sites where we only have one machine. Thanks for raising these to our attention! John. On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 10-08-24 21:24 , Giles Orr wrote: > > > > Does anyone own one? > > Yes; been using one of the original Sheevaplug development kits for > about 18 months. Fun little machine - I use it as my music server, and > ssh destination to all the other machines on my network. > > Mine runs Ubuntu 9.04, which is the latest that an ARM5 can run - all > newer distros are ARM6 only. Quite fast, but its floating point is > utterly dismal; don't expect to encode MP3s at any speed. Draws about 5W. > > Shipping was a bit slow - they seem to come over in batches, which are > then individually shipped from the US. I had nothing payable on mine; YMMV. > > Stewart > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 25 14:01:45 2010 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:01:45 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201008251001.46812.icanprogram@295.ca> We have been playing with cross compilation on these for a while. http://www.icanprogram.com/simpl/plugsimplbin.self.html This has been used in some video stuff at: http://www.opennetcam.net bob On Tuesday 24 August 2010 09:24 pm, Giles Orr wrote: > I'm fascinated by the Plug Computers. Here's a probably incomplete list: > > Sheevaplug - the original - all that follow are based on it > Cloudplug - local and cloud storage > Pogoplug - cloud storage only, not local? > Guruplug - several versions (incl. wifi!) but notorious for overheating > Tonidoplug - adds "easy to use" software > Quadplug - not much can be found about this one > Seagate FreeAgent Dockstar - USB drive dock (Seagate drives only?) + > Pogoplug functionality, probably the least "hackable" > > There's even a "Plugbox Linux" distro getting going. > > I'm inclined to go with the Sheevaplug. I love the idea of available > wifi (and multiple other useful ports!) with the Guruplug, but most > accounts indicate that it runs massively hot and is prone to failure. > > Does anyone own one? What do you use it for? It appears they have to > come from the States, and I'm concerned about duties etc. at the > border. Experiences there? The Guruplug with its extra hardware > looks most appealing, but the overheating does seem to be a serious > issue. > > References: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug_computer > http://www.plugapps.com/index.php5?title=Main_Page > (and many more, but these are most useful) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 25 14:12:01 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:12:01 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: <4C74748E.7050100-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4C74748E.7050100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100825141201.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 09:40:30PM -0400, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Yes; been using one of the original Sheevaplug development kits for > about 18 months. Fun little machine - I use it as my music server, and > ssh destination to all the other machines on my network. > > Mine runs Ubuntu 9.04, which is the latest that an ARM5 can run - all > newer distros are ARM6 only. Quite fast, but its floating point is > utterly dismal; don't expect to encode MP3s at any speed. Draws about 5W. Debian armel is still armv4. So running current software is no problem. As for floating point, well it doesn't have an FPU, so it is all done in either softfloat or emulated in the kernel (much worse by at least 10 times over softfloat). Debian arm was emulated floating point. Debian armel is softfloat. There are people working on a debian armhf which of course will require an FPU, and hence not apply at all to the sheeva line of CPUs. > Shipping was a bit slow - they seem to come over in batches, which are > then individually shipped from the US. I had nothing payable on mine; YMMV. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 25 14:50:36 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:50:36 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: <201008251001.46812.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <201008251001.46812.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:01 AM, bob 295 wrote: > We have been playing with cross compilation on these for a while. > > http://www.icanprogram.com/simpl/plugsimplbin.self.html > > This has been used in some video stuff at: > > http://www.opennetcam.net > > bob > > On Tuesday 24 August 2010 09:24 pm, Giles Orr wrote: >> I'm fascinated by the Plug Computers. ?Here's a probably incomplete list: >> >> Sheevaplug - the original - all that follow are based on it >> Cloudplug - local and cloud storage >> Pogoplug - cloud storage only, not local? >> Guruplug - several versions (incl. wifi!) but notorious for overheating >> Tonidoplug - adds "easy to use" software >> Quadplug - not much can be found about this one >> Seagate FreeAgent Dockstar - USB drive dock (Seagate drives only?) + >> Pogoplug functionality, probably the least "hackable" >> >> There's even a "Plugbox Linux" distro getting going. >> >> I'm inclined to go with the Sheevaplug. ?I love the idea of available >> wifi (and multiple other useful ports!) with the Guruplug, but most >> accounts indicate that it runs massively hot and is prone to failure. It appears that they have identified the overheating problem http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/news.aspx?showarticle=4 >> >> Does anyone own one? ?What do you use it for? ?It appears they have to >> come from the States, and I'm concerned about duties etc. at the >> border. ?Experiences there? ?The Guruplug with its extra hardware >> looks most appealing, but the overheating does seem to be a serious >> issue. I'm sure the duty will be HST is there only one distributor in the states ? How much are they in quantity ? >> >> References: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug_computer >> http://www.plugapps.com/index.php5?title=Main_Page >> (and many more, but these are most useful) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 25 15:50:09 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: <201008251001.46812.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: | From: Dave Cramer | It appears that they have identified the overheating problem | http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/news.aspx?showarticle=4 No device should overheat just because you use it at its capacity. Especially if it does not have any automatic method of detecting the problem and throttling the use. I'd say that message smelled slightly of "blame the victim". The guidance they give does not give you technical details of just what generates the heat and a formula for avoiding problems. Is it the CPU or the ethernet that is a problem? Even though they talk about cutting down bandwidth as a solution, it seems unlikely to me that that would reduce the power used by the ethernet (running at 100M instead of 1G doesn't change the duty cycle of most of the chip for the better). The advice might be trying to reduce the duty cycle of the CPU. If so, they should say so. The manufacturer / distributor ought to have the technical depth to determine an exact description of the problem. It should be possible for them to measure power use of each chip under varying loads. If they had, I would expect a crisper technical description. I'd stay away until the problem is actually fixed. And maybe longer than that. | I'm sure the duty will be HST is there only one distributor in the states ? If it were manufactured in the US, that would be true, kind of. HST is not "duty". We have NAFTA so actual duty on things manufactured in the US is 0%. But if this is manufactured in China (guess), and not enough value is added in the US, then there would be a duty (I don't know the rate). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 25 16:02:28 2010 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:02:28 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: <20100825141201.GB2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4C74748E.7050100@gmail.com> <20100825141201.GB2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 25 August 2010 10:12, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Debian armel is still armv4. ?So running current software is no problem. Yes, but SheevaPlugs such as mine came running Ubuntu 9.xx, and there is no later Ubuntu flavour that supports ARM5. Upgrading the kernel/OS on a SheevaPlug is far from trivial; USB serial terminals, specially-formatted SD cards, carefully-timed reboots and keypresses are all in order. The documentation and process may have got slightly easier in the last few months, but it's still not something I'd want to do unless I had a pressing reason to do so and a couple of distraction-free hours in which to do it. Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 25 17:42:09 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:42:09 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: <201008251001.46812.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <20100825174209.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:50:09AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > No device should overheat just because you use it at its capacity. > Especially if it does not have any automatic method of detecting the > problem and throttling the use. > > I'd say that message smelled slightly of "blame the victim". No, it sounds like they admitted they screwed up, and are giving suggestions for ways to avoid the problem until they can provide a proper fix. > The guidance they give does not give you technical details of just > what generates the heat and a formula for avoiding problems. Is it > the CPU or the ethernet that is a problem? The ethernet controller is part of the CPU. > Even though they talk about cutting down bandwidth as a solution, it > seems unlikely to me that that would reduce the power used by the > ethernet (running at 100M instead of 1G doesn't change the duty cycle > of most of the chip for the better). It takes a lot more power to operate at 1Gbps than at 100Mbps. So actually it does make sense. A fairly common estimate seems to be about 100mW for 100Mbit, 1W for gigabit and 10W for 10Gbit. Or at least in that order of magnitude. > The advice might be trying to reduce the duty cycle of the CPU. If > so, they should say so. I don't think it is load on the CPU. I think it really is that gigabit operation generates a significant amount of extra heat (relative to the total heat generated by the sheevaplug devices). > The manufacturer / distributor ought to have the technical depth to > determine an exact description of the problem. It should be possible > for them to measure power use of each chip under varying loads. If > they had, I would expect a crisper technical description. > > I'd stay away until the problem is actually fixed. And maybe longer > than that. Well it sounds like they are going to make a new enclosure for it with better cooling. > If it were manufactured in the US, that would be true, kind of. HST > is not "duty". We have NAFTA so actual duty on things manufactured in > the US is 0%. But if this is manufactured in China (guess), and not > enough value is added in the US, then there would be a duty (I don't > know the rate). Well some of the chips are by US companies, although probably manufacturered elsewhere. Now if they are assembled in the US, that might just be enough. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 25 18:51:29 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: <20100825174209.GC2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <201008251001.46812.icanprogram@295.ca> <20100825174209.GC2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | It takes a lot more power to operate at 1Gbps than at 100Mbps. | So actually it does make sense. A fairly common estimate seems to be | about 100mW for 100Mbit, 1W for gigabit and 10W for 10Gbit. Or at least | in that order of magnitude. Interesting. Thanks for the information. 1w extra isn't a lot to dissipate but this is a very passive design. This document is about the central chip: The PHY for ethernet is off-chip. I have no idea what PHY thermal characteristics might be. Section 8.3 deals with thermal power dissipation. Eyeballing, it looks like the chip only dissipates two or three Watts and that the non-PHY ethernet power isn't broken out or if it is, it isn't much. Looks like a pretty remarkable chip. Too bad the CPU core isn't as well supported as newer ARMs. Looking at I would guess that the main thermal problem is that the power supply is in the same package. Convenient, but it adds a fair bit of heat to dissipate. Especially if a couple of USB devices are drawing a lot of power (max is 500mA * 5V * 2, close to 5W). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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A fairly common estimate seems to be > | about 100mW for 100Mbit, 1W for gigabit and 10W for 10Gbit. Or at least > | in that order of magnitude. > > Interesting. Thanks for the information. > > 1w extra isn't a lot to dissipate but this is a very passive design. Well if you have a system without a fan that normally gives off 2 or 3 watts, but gives off 4 watts if you run everything maxed out, that is a large increase. > This document is about the central chip: > > The PHY for ethernet is off-chip. I have no idea what PHY thermal > characteristics might be. I am not sure how much heat comes from the PHY versus the MAC. > Section 8.3 deals with thermal power dissipation. Eyeballing, it > looks like the chip only dissipates two or three Watts and that the > non-PHY ethernet power isn't broken out or if it is, it isn't much. > > Looks like a pretty remarkable chip. Too bad the CPU core isn't as > well supported as newer ARMs. Well I have seen lots of activity in Debian for the sheeva boxes, so I wouldn't say they aren't well supported. The lack of FPU is unfortunate I think, but the rest seems decent. > Looking at > I > would guess that the main thermal problem is that the power supply is > in the same package. Convenient, but it adds a fair bit of heat to > dissipate. Especially if a couple of USB devices are drawing a lot of > power (max is 500mA * 5V * 2, close to 5W). Certainly doesn't help. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 26 12:49:28 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:49:28 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: <201008251001.46812.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <201008251001.46812.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: So where do you buy one? Is it possible to get one in less than 4 weeks. The reference design is available, can it be used by anyone to build them ? Dave On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:01 AM, bob 295 wrote: > We have been playing with cross compilation on these for a while. > > http://www.icanprogram.com/simpl/plugsimplbin.self.html > > This has been used in some video stuff at: > > http://www.opennetcam.net > > bob > > On Tuesday 24 August 2010 09:24 pm, Giles Orr wrote: >> I'm fascinated by the Plug Computers. ?Here's a probably incomplete list: >> >> Sheevaplug - the original - all that follow are based on it >> Cloudplug - local and cloud storage >> Pogoplug - cloud storage only, not local? >> Guruplug - several versions (incl. wifi!) but notorious for overheating >> Tonidoplug - adds "easy to use" software >> Quadplug - not much can be found about this one >> Seagate FreeAgent Dockstar - USB drive dock (Seagate drives only?) + >> Pogoplug functionality, probably the least "hackable" >> >> There's even a "Plugbox Linux" distro getting going. >> >> I'm inclined to go with the Sheevaplug. ?I love the idea of available >> wifi (and multiple other useful ports!) with the Guruplug, but most >> accounts indicate that it runs massively hot and is prone to failure. >> >> Does anyone own one? ?What do you use it for? ?It appears they have to >> come from the States, and I'm concerned about duties etc. at the >> border. ?Experiences there? ?The Guruplug with its extra hardware >> looks most appealing, but the overheating does seem to be a serious >> issue. >> >> References: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug_computer >> http://www.plugapps.com/index.php5?title=Main_Page >> (and many more, but these are most useful) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 26 13:15:48 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 09:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Giles Orr wrote: > There's even a "Plugbox Linux" distro getting going. My Sheevaplug runs Debian. I'd have no interest in a plug computer specific distro - a port of an existing distro makes much more sense IMHO. > Does anyone own one? What do you use it for? It appears they have to Mine has been operating as my home firewall for about a year. It runs multiple VPN links to boxes I have on the 'net and has been working really well. The root filesystem is on an SSD card. I initially tried to over-write the default (slightly broken) Ubuntu installation on the internal flash and managed to brick the device. I used the documented recovery procedure to restore factory defaults and then just did the install on an SSD card :) I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to get it working on the internal flash but I haven't tackled it again. I only have two minor complaints: (1) The SSD card only sits in the slot, it is not locked in so it could be knocked out. In my case that would take away the root filesystem and probably cause the box to panic(). (2) The Sheevaplug has the logic on board for two NICs but only one is actually built into the device. I used a USB<->RJ45 connector to turn it into a firewall. > come from the States, and I'm concerned about duties etc. at the > border. Experiences there? The Guruplug with its extra hardware Yeah I did pay some duty. It was $12 IIRC. Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Contributing member of Software in the Public Interest (http://spi-inc.org/) Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 26 14:25:21 2010 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:25:21 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 26 August 2010 09:15, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Giles Orr wrote: > >> There's even a "Plugbox Linux" distro getting going. > > My Sheevaplug runs Debian. ?I'd have no interest in a plug computer specific > distro - a port of an existing distro makes much more sense IMHO. > >> Does anyone own one? ?What do you use it for? ?It appears they have to > > Mine has been operating as my home firewall for about a year. ?It runs > multiple VPN links to boxes I have on the 'net and has been working really > well. > > The root filesystem is on an SSD card. ?I initially tried to over-write the > default (slightly broken) Ubuntu installation on the internal flash and > managed to brick the device. ?I used the documented recovery procedure to > restore factory defaults and then just did the install on an SSD card :) > > I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to get it working on the internal flash but > I haven't tackled it again. > > I only have two minor complaints: > > (1) The SSD card only sits in the slot, it is not locked in so it could be > knocked out. ?In my case that would take away the root filesystem and > probably cause the box to panic(). > > (2) The Sheevaplug has the logic on board for two NICs but only one is > actually built into the device. ?I used a USB<->RJ45 connector to turn it > into a firewall. > >> come from the States, and I'm concerned about duties etc. at the >> border. ?Experiences there? ?The Guruplug with its extra hardware > > Yeah I did pay some duty. ?It was $12 IIRC. I would prefer to have Debian on it too, but I have to admit that I take Stewart Russell's view of the install process as something time-consuming, a little dangerous, and possibly in need of slaughtering a chicken on an altar (maybe that last bit is just me). So how did you get Debian on it - are there relatively simple instructions on the web that you followed? Thanks. This whole discussion has been very enlightening and is much appreciated. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 26 14:45:15 2010 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:45:15 -0400 Subject: Filling / in novel ways Message-ID: <20100826144515.GA28351@yam.witteman.ca> The last two days I've managed to fill up my root partition in two different ways. It is pleasing that the machine still runs very responsively when this happens, and that I can diagnose and correct the problem without resorting to rebooting, but it is annoying that my only hint that something is wrong is that I cannot query my mail server. The first thing that filled up my root partition was that my WD MyBook got unplugged. I usually have it mounted with NFS on /mnt/mybook - and /mnt is on my root partition. When the device got unplugged and my scheduled backup ran, it tried to push 20Gb of backup data onto the now-empty mount point, with only ~2Gb of free space. I have since moved the mount point onto a partition with hundreds of Gbs free, so that should not happen again. This morning I found the same symptoms, but a different problem. A long time ago I aliased startx to do this: "startx > /var/log/x.log 2>&1" to diagnose occasional problems with X configs. I haven't needed this in years, but this morning I found x.log was over 2Gb in size. The culprit (of course) is Flash - there were zillions (well, lots) of lines of nswrapper output filling up the log. Speaking of Flash, I have been systematically deleting all flash cookies for a few months with this crontab: 0 * * * * rm -r /home/$USER/.adobe; rm -r /home/$USER/.macromedia; I have had no problems with stability (until perhaps last night - I must investigate) and if I delete a browser cookie, it stays deleted, rather than the zombie cookie behaviour that is increasingly common. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 26 14:57:06 2010 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart Russell) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:57:06 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: <201008251001.46812.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: On 26 August 2010 08:49, Dave Cramer wrote: > So where do you buy one? Is it possible to get one in less than 4 weeks. If you really want one in a hurry, Canada Computers stocks the PogoPlug. Some hacking will be required to turn it into your own linux box: Pogoplug - PlugApps Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 26 15:26:15 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Filling / in novel ways In-Reply-To: <20100826144515.GA28351-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100826144515.GA28351@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > The first thing that filled up my root partition was that my WD MyBook > got unplugged. I usually have it mounted with NFS on /mnt/mybook - and > /mnt is on my root partition. When the device got unplugged and my > scheduled backup ran, it tried to push 20Gb of backup data onto the > now-empty mount point, with only ~2Gb of free space. I had exactly the same problem with my custom backup scripts. I fixed it by having the backup script check for the presence of a particular file before proceeding. If the file isn't there it exits with an error. > 0 * * * * rm -r /home/$USER/.adobe; rm -r /home/$USER/.macromedia; > > I have had no problems with stability (until perhaps last night - I must > investigate) and if I delete a browser cookie, it stays deleted, rather > than the zombie cookie behaviour that is increasingly common. Nice. Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Contributing member of Software in the Public Interest (http://spi-inc.org/) Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From timhildred-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 26 15:37:38 2010 From: timhildred-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Timothy Hildred) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:37:38 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: <201008251001.46812.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: i got a development kit a while back, and am on the verge of using it for a fileserver/sound-system driver. the tonido plug software can also be installed from the repos, so even if you don't have a sheevaplug, have a look at the tonido package, its pretty cool. i figure i'll put a usb sound card on it, and then use it for fileserving (1TB for $100? yes please!) and tune playing on my bomb ass stereo. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Stewart Russell wrote: > On 26 August 2010 08:49, Dave Cramer wrote: > > So where do you buy one? Is it possible to get one in less than 4 weeks. > > If you really want one in a hurry, Canada Computers stocks the > PogoPlug. Some hacking will be required to turn it into your own linux > box: Pogoplug - PlugApps > > > Stewart > > -- > http://scruss.com/blog/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 26 16:10:19 2010 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:10:19 -0400 Subject: Database humour Message-ID: Found it funny, may be you may enjoy.... http://howfuckedismydatabase.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 26 16:11:02 2010 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:11:02 -0400 Subject: looking for Linux admin and OSS developers that are independent (or a small team) Message-ID: hi everyone, It's been a while since I've pinged the list. I was wondering if there are any indies left in the GTA? People that do Linux admin and/or s/w dev for more than one client at a time (ie. not full-time contractors at places). Regards, -- G. Matthew Rice ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? gpg id: EF9AAD20 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 26 17:18:31 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Database humour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: William Muriithi | Found it funny, may be you may enjoy.... | | http://howfuckedismydatabase.com/ Yes, even though I'm not a DB person. I particularly liked the MSSQL->yes, I'm running a nuclear reactor. "There was a dropped item for every 1,000 transactions" in SQL Server 6.5, said Blair, who has uploaded on his organization's Web site e-mail messages from Russian scientists detailing the problems. "With (version) 7.0, (the problem) was reduced in order of magnitude, but it was still a serious problem with dropped files." I cannot understand how 0.1% or 0.01% dropped items isn't a problem. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 26 17:24:50 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:24:50 -0400 Subject: Database humour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:10 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > Found it funny, may be you may enjoy.... > > http://howfuckedismydatabase.com/ Since I've been working on Slony-I today, that part was particularly entertaining! http://howfuckedismydatabase.com/postgres/slony.php -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 26 19:44:58 2010 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:44:58 -0400 Subject: [OT]For sale: a Linux box Message-ID: <4C768BFA.2080.70DDD64@sciguy.vex.net> I thought the sale of a Linux computer would be of interest to the Linux community. Sorry to be a bother. It's set up to be mostly a home/office computer. The price was arrived at by looking at other used machines around the Oakville area, which also didn't have a monitor. I'll save you the rest of the sales pitch. Click on: http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/oak/sys/1919741796.html for screenshots and illustrations, and cost. TLUG geek-only special: I will throw in a Hauppauge WinTV 2000 tuner card, sensor and remote (you install it, along with MythTV), free. Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 02:02:47 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, Giles Orr wrote: > I would prefer to have Debian on it too, but I have to admit that I take > Stewart Russell's view of the install process as something > time-consuming, a little dangerous, and possibly in need of slaughtering > a chicken on an altar (maybe that last bit is just me). So how did you > get Debian on it - are there relatively simple instructions on the web > that you followed? Thanks. I installed from here: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/ Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Contributing member of Software in the Public Interest (http://spi-inc.org/) Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 02:25:32 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:25:32 -0400 Subject: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? Message-ID: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> I have 54Mbit wireless-G for home network. Is 54Mbit speed for the whole network (like hub) or for each wireless device (like switch)? I was wondering, if 2 mythtv clients are watching TV at the same time, whether 54Mbit is dedicated to each or spread over both. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 02:34:05 2010 From: mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dan McCudden) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:34:05 -0400 Subject: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <20100827022532.GA3767-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <-5140426261165131127@unknownmsgid> This is my first post so be gentle. From what I recall of my time setting up routers for the phone company in Saskatchewan the 54 Mbps figure is for ONE device. The bandwidth you get is shared by every wireless doodad you have on the network. Thus your two mythtv clients will be sharing the 54 Mbps as will any laptops, desktops, wifi cellphones and any devices using the connection with rotten old wires. On 2010-08-26, at 10:25 PM, William Park wrote: > I have 54Mbit wireless-G for home network. Is 54Mbit speed for the > whole network (like hub) or for each wireless device (like switch)? I > was wondering, if 2 mythtv clients are watching TV at the same time, > whether 54Mbit is dedicated to each or spread over both. > -- > William > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 02:51:35 2010 From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org (Sadiq) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:51:35 -0400 Subject: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <20100827022532.GA3767-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4C772837.5060709@asininetech.com> On 8/26/2010 10:25 PM, William Park wrote: > I have 54Mbit wireless-G for home network. Is 54Mbit speed for the > whole network (like hub) or for each wireless device (like switch)? I > was wondering, if 2 mythtv clients are watching TV at the same time, > whether 54Mbit is dedicated to each or spread over both. It is like a switch, local area traffic is dedicated to each device like a switch. I assume the mythtv clients are pulling data locally over the network? Saying that, you'll never get full 54Mbps over the air. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 02:52:08 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:52:08 -0400 Subject: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <20100827022532.GA3767-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20100826225208.083563cd.tleslie@tcn.net> with a wired device the rating is per port, but, since it isn't usually possible to sustain across every port, devices like cisco and 3com also rate the device for total throughput of all collectively, and as I can recall, it isn't usually able to sustain across all port. for wireless, I am guessing its more the opposite, because the air space is restricted. Now on a quality router that supports many types of wirelss, I am sure there are some that may be able to sustain two connections, one maxed at G and another maxed at a lower rating using different wireless wave length. because some protocols and routers are capable of fancy things, and for example the devices can auto or manual shift frequency to move around obstacles (physical and interference), I would guess that some devices could say have one channel (or as the case may be set of channels) maxed to deliver G 54Mbit, yet could also sustain another connection of "partial", or a few connection at partial, where partial could be 5-10-15-20-30% of max? but I am guessing. A smart design could probably get two reasonable 54Mbit connections (say 80%) of max., but I am not sure any are designed like this. This also assumes the transmissions are error free (mostly) and therefore not wasted bandwidth in retry, and with multiple connections, those odds probably increase. I would hope on a really good device, especially if say a small office G router, say from cisco, that they would specify what type of collective bandwidth one might be able to achieve, but it would also very much be up to highly cooperative clients devices as well working as optimally as possible. tl On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:25:32 -0400 William Park wrote: > I have 54Mbit wireless-G for home network. Is 54Mbit speed for the > whole network (like hub) or for each wireless device (like switch)? I > was wondering, if 2 mythtv clients are watching TV at the same time, > whether 54Mbit is dedicated to each or spread over both. > -- > William > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 02:57:52 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:57:52 -0400 Subject: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <-5140426261165131127@unknownmsgid> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> <-5140426261165131127@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <20100826225752.88bb6d50.tleslie@tcn.net> i can almost say for sure, if a wireless router has wired ports, those will be rated independant of the wireless rating. i would fully expect, and very much believe i do, get wireless G speeds, and 100mb/10mb sustained on the wired ports, irregardless of whats happening on the wireless "side" of the device. it is possible with a cheaper device, that the calculations involved with the device, vpn, nat, etc can impact it, but the wired side should usually behave like a standard swith, not related to any rating of wireless performance. so this is addressing your very last "rotten old wires" statement. but for the most part, before that, all wireless sharing in the 54Mps, that I think is mostly the case. tl On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:34:05 -0400 Dan McCudden wrote: > This is my first post so be gentle. From what I recall of my time > setting up routers for the phone company in Saskatchewan the 54 Mbps > figure is for ONE device. The bandwidth you get is shared by every > wireless doodad you have on the network. Thus your two mythtv clients > will be sharing the 54 Mbps as will any laptops, desktops, wifi > cellphones and any devices using the connection with rotten old wires. > > > > On 2010-08-26, at 10:25 PM, William Park wrote: > > > I have 54Mbit wireless-G for home network. Is 54Mbit speed for the > > whole network (like hub) or for each wireless device (like switch)? I > > was wondering, if 2 mythtv clients are watching TV at the same time, > > whether 54Mbit is dedicated to each or spread over both. > > -- > > William > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 02:59:36 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:59:36 -0400 Subject: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <4C772837.5060709-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> <4C772837.5060709@asininetech.com> Message-ID: <4C772A18.4010408@rogers.com> Sadiq wrote: > It is like a switch, local area traffic is dedicated to each device > like a switch. Actually, it's more like a hub. With a switch, each device can transmit independently of any other and can also receive at the same time. With WiFi, only one device can transmit at a time and no device can receive while transmitting, just like with a hub. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 03:02:10 2010 From: mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dan McCudden) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:02:10 -0400 Subject: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <20100826225752.88bb6d50.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> <-5140426261165131127@unknownmsgid> <20100826225752.88bb6d50.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <8109352263843815699@unknownmsgid> I see that. Bear in mind I'm basing my statement on Sasktel's system which was primitive at best. On 2010-08-26, at 10:57 PM, ted leslie wrote: > i can almost say for sure, if a wireless router has wired ports, > those will be rated independant of the wireless rating. > i would fully expect, and very much believe i do, get wireless G speeds, > and 100mb/10mb sustained on the wired ports, irregardless of whats happening on the wireless "side" of the > device. it is possible with a cheaper device, that the calculations involved with the device, vpn, nat, etc > can impact it, but the wired side should usually behave like a standard swith, not related to any > rating of wireless performance. > so this is addressing your very last "rotten old wires" statement. but for the most part, before that, all > wireless sharing in the 54Mps, that I think is mostly the case. > > tl > > On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:34:05 -0400 > Dan McCudden wrote: > >> This is my first post so be gentle. From what I recall of my time >> setting up routers for the phone company in Saskatchewan the 54 Mbps >> figure is for ONE device. The bandwidth you get is shared by every >> wireless doodad you have on the network. Thus your two mythtv clients >> will be sharing the 54 Mbps as will any laptops, desktops, wifi >> cellphones and any devices using the connection with rotten old wires. >> >> >> >> On 2010-08-26, at 10:25 PM, William Park wrote: >> >>> I have 54Mbit wireless-G for home network. Is 54Mbit speed for the >>> whole network (like hub) or for each wireless device (like switch)? I >>> was wondering, if 2 mythtv clients are watching TV at the same time, >>> whether 54Mbit is dedicated to each or spread over both. >>> -- >>> William >>> >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > -- > ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 04:19:55 2010 From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:19:55 -0400 Subject: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <4C772A18.4010408-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> <4C772837.5060709@asininetech.com> <4C772A18.4010408@rogers.com> Message-ID: <5EB556C5-F4B2-45D9-8722-C4D3FECAF2A5@asininetech.com> Ah, I see now. So WiFi is not duplex? Interesting. On 2010-08-26, at 10:59 PM, James Knott wrote: > Sadiq wrote: >> It is like a switch, local area traffic is dedicated to each device like a switch. > Actually, it's more like a hub. With a switch, each device can transmit independently of any other and can also receive at the same time. With WiFi, only one device can transmit at a time and no device can receive while transmitting, just like with a hub. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 04:35:51 2010 From: sadiq-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA at public.gmane.org (Sadiq Saif) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:35:51 -0400 Subject: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <20100826225752.88bb6d50.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> <-5140426261165131127@unknownmsgid> <20100826225752.88bb6d50.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: I concur on this. For example, on my WRT160N router, I will get 100/100 speeds transfer speeds via wired. On the other hand, wireless speeds vary on distance, interference and signal strength. On 2010-08-26, at 10:57 PM, ted leslie wrote: > i can almost say for sure, if a wireless router has wired ports, > those will be rated independant of the wireless rating. > i would fully expect, and very much believe i do, get wireless G speeds, > and 100mb/10mb sustained on the wired ports, irregardless of whats happening on the wireless "side" of the > device. it is possible with a cheaper device, that the calculations involved with the device, vpn, nat, etc > can impact it, but the wired side should usually behave like a standard swith, not related to any > rating of wireless performance. > so this is addressing your very last "rotten old wires" statement. but for the most part, before that, all > wireless sharing in the 54Mps, that I think is mostly the case. > > tl > > On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:34:05 -0400 > Dan McCudden wrote: > >> This is my first post so be gentle. From what I recall of my time >> setting up routers for the phone company in Saskatchewan the 54 Mbps >> figure is for ONE device. The bandwidth you get is shared by every >> wireless doodad you have on the network. Thus your two mythtv clients >> will be sharing the 54 Mbps as will any laptops, desktops, wifi >> cellphones and any devices using the connection with rotten old wires. >> >> >> >> On 2010-08-26, at 10:25 PM, William Park wrote: >> >>> I have 54Mbit wireless-G for home network. Is 54Mbit speed for the >>> whole network (like hub) or for each wireless device (like switch)? I >>> was wondering, if 2 mythtv clients are watching TV at the same time, >>> whether 54Mbit is dedicated to each or spread over both. >>> -- >>> William >>> >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > -- > ted leslie > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 06:12:21 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:12:21 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20100827061221.GA4376@node1.opengeometry.net> It seems that wiring is more complicated than I first thought. That's because, location of antenna, point of entry, TVs, and computers are all over the place. The wiring is getting messy. I went with wireless home network, precisely because I wanted to avoid all those messy ethernet wirings. Now, for HDTV, I'm faced with the same problem, but without easy solution. -- William On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:23:06PM -0400, Eric Ball wrote: > Wireless is similar to a hub in that the bandwidth is shared by all > users. However, the "users" will include anyone else with a WiFi > network using the same frequencies and any sources of interference > (both RF interference like microwaves and cordless phones and > self-interference like reflections off walls) or other signal > degradation (including distance). Your 54Mbit wireless network > _might_ be able to support a single 19.4Mbit HD signal, while a > 100Mbps network will have no problem supporting two clients. A 5 GHz > 802.11n (or 802.11a) network may have better success (both due to > higher potential bandwidth (N) and less interference / usage of the > 5GHz band). > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:25 PM, William Park wrote: > > I have 54Mbit wireless-G for home network. ?Is 54Mbit speed for the > > whole network (like hub) or for each wireless device (like switch)? ?I > > was wondering, if 2 mythtv clients are watching TV at the same time, > > whether 54Mbit is dedicated to each or spread over both. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 06:25:50 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:25:50 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <20100827061221.GA4376-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827061221.GA4376@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20100827022550.ab523ae7.tleslie@tcn.net> some people report nice results with broadband over power line. my only issue with it is, how easy does it "leak" out of a house power system, and can it be decoded by a neighbour? but i think that is very unlikely ... oh, maybe not so unlikely if you live in a apartment. if bbOpl can handle the multi hd streams, it would probably be a clean choice. tl On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:12:21 -0400 William Park wrote: > It seems that wiring is more complicated than I first thought. That's > because, location of antenna, point of entry, TVs, and computers are > all over the place. The wiring is getting messy. > > I went with wireless home network, precisely because I wanted to avoid > all those messy ethernet wirings. Now, for HDTV, I'm faced with the > same problem, but without easy solution. > > -- > William > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:23:06PM -0400, Eric Ball wrote: > > Wireless is similar to a hub in that the bandwidth is shared by all > > users. However, the "users" will include anyone else with a WiFi > > network using the same frequencies and any sources of interference > > (both RF interference like microwaves and cordless phones and > > self-interference like reflections off walls) or other signal > > degradation (including distance). Your 54Mbit wireless network > > _might_ be able to support a single 19.4Mbit HD signal, while a > > 100Mbps network will have no problem supporting two clients. A 5 GHz > > 802.11n (or 802.11a) network may have better success (both due to > > higher potential bandwidth (N) and less interference / usage of the > > 5GHz band). > > > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:25 PM, William Park wrote: > > > I have 54Mbit wireless-G for home network. ?Is 54Mbit speed for the > > > whole network (like hub) or for each wireless device (like switch)? ?I > > > was wondering, if 2 mythtv clients are watching TV at the same time, > > > whether 54Mbit is dedicated to each or spread over both. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 06:37:34 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:37:34 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <20100827061221.GA4376-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827061221.GA4376@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20100827023734.6e22d4cb.tleslie@tcn.net> http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=533 tl On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:12:21 -0400 William Park wrote: > It seems that wiring is more complicated than I first thought. That's > because, location of antenna, point of entry, TVs, and computers are > all over the place. The wiring is getting messy. > > I went with wireless home network, precisely because I wanted to avoid > all those messy ethernet wirings. Now, for HDTV, I'm faced with the > same problem, but without easy solution. > > -- > William > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:23:06PM -0400, Eric Ball wrote: > > Wireless is similar to a hub in that the bandwidth is shared by all > > users. However, the "users" will include anyone else with a WiFi > > network using the same frequencies and any sources of interference > > (both RF interference like microwaves and cordless phones and > > self-interference like reflections off walls) or other signal > > degradation (including distance). Your 54Mbit wireless network > > _might_ be able to support a single 19.4Mbit HD signal, while a > > 100Mbps network will have no problem supporting two clients. A 5 GHz > > 802.11n (or 802.11a) network may have better success (both due to > > higher potential bandwidth (N) and less interference / usage of the > > 5GHz band). > > > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:25 PM, William Park wrote: > > > I have 54Mbit wireless-G for home network. ?Is 54Mbit speed for the > > > whole network (like hub) or for each wireless device (like switch)? ?I > > > was wondering, if 2 mythtv clients are watching TV at the same time, > > > whether 54Mbit is dedicated to each or spread over both. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 09:32:50 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [mythtv-gta]: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <20100827022550.ab523ae7.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827061221.GA4376@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827022550.ab523ae7.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: [I don't think that cross-posting is a great idea so I'm just posting this to tlug.] | From: ted leslie | my only issue with it is, how easy does it "leak" out of a house power | system, and can it be decoded by a neighbour? but i think that is very | unlikely ... oh, maybe not so unlikely if you live in a apartment. My understanding is that the signal is killed by a transformer. So it leaks to all your neighbours that share a step-down transformer with you. In a normal Ontario city area with single-family houses, I think (but don't know) that a handful of houses share one transformer. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 10:12:56 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:12:56 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So does anyone know if the design is open ? I see that the schematic and layout and the BOM are on the web. I could probably get these made offshore, but I want to know the legality of this ? Dave On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, Giles Orr wrote: > >> I would prefer to have Debian on it too, but I have to admit that I take >> Stewart Russell's view of the install process as something time-consuming, a >> little dangerous, and possibly in need of slaughtering a chicken on an altar >> (maybe that last bit is just me). So how did you get Debian on it - are >> there relatively simple instructions on the web that you followed? ?Thanks. > > I installed from here: > > http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/ > > Cheers, > > Rob > > -- > Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org ? ? ? ? Linux counter ID #16440 > IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) > Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com > Contributing member of Software in the Public Interest (http://spi-inc.org/) > Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 12:18:24 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:18:24 -0400 Subject: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <20100826225208.083563cd.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100826225208.083563cd.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <4C77AD10.1080308@rogers.com> ted leslie wrote: > one maxed at G and another maxed at a lower rating using different > wireless wave length. because some protocols and routers are capable of fancy things, and for example > the devices can auto or manual shift frequency to move around obstacles (physical and interference), > I would guess that some devices could say have one channel (or as the case may be set of channels) maxed to > deliver G 54Mbit Wireless access points have only one "channel" (two in dual band) available. So, you could have only one or two devices communicating at a time. Also, g, b and some n use the 2.7 GHz band. (a and some n on 5 GHz), so even if you had one device using g and one n, they'd still be sharing the channel. Not only that, but the presence of b will have a performance impact on the g devices. With WiFi, the bandwidth is shared, just like with a hub. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 12:20:37 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:20:37 -0400 Subject: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <20100826225752.88bb6d50.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> <-5140426261165131127@unknownmsgid> <20100826225752.88bb6d50.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <4C77AD95.3070309@rogers.com> ted leslie wrote: > irregardless of whats happening on the wireless "side" ARGGGG!!!! The word is "regardless", not "irregardless"!!!!! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From martjh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 13:31:37 2010 From: martjh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Martin) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:31:37 -0400 Subject: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <4C77AD95.3070309-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> <-5140426261165131127@unknownmsgid> <20100826225752.88bb6d50.tleslie@tcn.net> <4C77AD95.3070309@rogers.com> Message-ID: It's spelled 'aaarrghhh!!!'. But, yes, I thought we'd stamped out the other one twenty years ago. j On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:20 AM, James Knott wrote: > ted leslie wrote: >> >> irregardless of whats happening on the wireless "side" > > ARGGGG!!!! > > The word is "regardless", not "irregardless"!!!!! > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 14:27:18 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:27:18 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <20100827061221.GA4376-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827061221.GA4376@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20100827142718.GZ2632@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 02:12:21AM -0400, William Park wrote: > It seems that wiring is more complicated than I first thought. That's > because, location of antenna, point of entry, TVs, and computers are > all over the place. The wiring is getting messy. > > I went with wireless home network, precisely because I wanted to avoid > all those messy ethernet wirings. Now, for HDTV, I'm faced with the > same problem, but without easy solution. Well certainly HD streams are no problem at all on 802.11n 5GHz. I use that. HD streams seem ok with 802.11g if you only have one user and a very good card (I have a Ralink RT2800 based card, which is actually 802.11n and 5ghz capable, but the 2.6.32 kernel driver only does 802.11bg so far, but it was very good reception). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 14:54:45 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:54:45 -0400 Subject: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <5EB556C5-F4B2-45D9-8722-C4D3FECAF2A5-KzRxrKfdH+/c+919tysfdA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> <4C772837.5060709@asininetech.com> <4C772A18.4010408@rogers.com> <5EB556C5-F4B2-45D9-8722-C4D3FECAF2A5@asininetech.com> Message-ID: <4C77D1B5.6040209@rogers.com> Sadiq Saif wrote: > So WiFi is not duplex? No, that would require two different frequencies to be used similtaneously. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 15:00:42 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:00:42 -0400 Subject: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> <-5140426261165131127@unknownmsgid> <20100826225752.88bb6d50.tleslie@tcn.net> <4C77AD95.3070309@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C77D31A.5080508@rogers.com> John Martin wrote: > It's spelled 'aaarrghhh!!!'. > Sorry, my spill chucker is busted. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 15:11:34 2010 From: el.fontanero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:11:34 -0400 Subject: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <4C77AD95.3070309-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> <-5140426261165131127@unknownmsgid> <20100826225752.88bb6d50.tleslie@tcn.net> <4C77AD95.3070309@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:20 AM, James Knott wrote: > ted leslie wrote: >> >> irregardless of whats happening on the wireless "side" > > ARGGGG!!!! > > The word is "regardless", not "irregardless"!!!!! > IF the word "irregardless" *did* exist, it would be a double negative, hence: "irregardless of" would = "because", or "since", or "not without regard to" Technical people (of all people) should be able to speak logically... No offence to anyone present. Cheers, Mike ps. I note with satisfaction that my spell-chucker balks on 'irregardless' -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 15:28:22 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:28:22 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100827152822.GE2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 06:12:56AM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > So does anyone know if the design is open ? I see that the schematic > and layout and the BOM are on the web. I could probably get these made > offshore, but I want to know the legality of this ? I have no idea. They are a reference design I believe. Of course, do you think you can buy the components and have it made cheaper? And what makes you think it isn't already made offshore? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 15:31:48 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:31:48 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <20100827022550.ab523ae7.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827061221.GA4376@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827022550.ab523ae7.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <20100827153148.GF2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 02:25:50AM -0400, ted leslie wrote: > some people report nice results with broadband over power line. > my only issue with it is, how easy does it "leak" out of a house power system, and can it be decoded by > a neighbour? but i think that is very unlikely ... oh, maybe not so unlikely if you live in a apartment. > if bbOpl can handle the multi hd streams, it would probably be a clean choice. Those are NOT broadband over powerline. That would be something entirely different (which happens to be rather impractical in places that have 110V power, but makes a lots more sense where you have 220V power). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 15:32:18 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:32:18 -0400 Subject: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> <-5140426261165131127@unknownmsgid> <20100826225752.88bb6d50.tleslie@tcn.net> <4C77AD95.3070309@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C77DA82.3050909@rogers.com> Mike wrote: > ps. I note with satisfaction that my spell-chucker balks on 'irregardless' > This brings up the question of how do you fix a dictionary, so that it will flag bad words such as "irregardless". The one in Seamonkey doesn't find it. It's easy enough to add words, but not remove them. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 15:43:40 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:43:40 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: <20100827152822.GE2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827152822.GE2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 06:12:56AM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: >> So does anyone know if the design is open ? I see that the schematic >> and layout and the BOM are on the web. I could probably get these made >> offshore, but I want to know the legality of this ? > > I have no idea. ?They are a reference design I believe. > > Of course, do you think you can buy the components and have it made > cheaper? ?And what makes you think it isn't already made offshore? Yes, I do think I can make it cheaper. They have some money in for profit. I do expect it is currently made offshore. I find a 4 week lead time for orders a little long. Dave > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 17:11:20 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: <20100827152822.GE2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Dave Cramer | Yes, I do think I can make it cheaper. They have some money in for | profit. I do expect it is currently made offshore. I find a 4 week | lead time for orders a little long. I have always assumed that it is cheap or free to license reference designs. Possibly only if you use their chips. If you can make it cheaper, and are willing to do so for others, without costing more, you might be a great resource for a community of pluggers. Of course that involves a few slippery slopes. Make something small, and someone will always want to add "just one more thing". I'm no exception. - nice to put a switch chip onboard so that you could have the five-port functionality of a normal home router - nice to pick a core with current-gen ARM architecture (there may not be a chip that has the right balance of features; at first glance the current chip may be a local optimum). - Lennart would like floating point - Interesting stuff supported by 88F6281 but not brought out in the plugs as far as I know (but I haven't really looked) + a second SATA port + FXO/FXS (for a telephone circuit) + PCI Express x1 (that seems over the top for these designs, but maybe some minicard form factor makes sense) + MPEG2-TS (not quite sure how this works) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 17:27:04 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:27:04 -0400 Subject: Plug computers In-Reply-To: References: <20100827152822.GE2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100827172704.GG2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 01:11:20PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I have always assumed that it is cheap or free to license reference > designs. Possibly only if you use their chips. Well if you don't use the marvell CPU, then the design is of no use to you. :) > If you can make it cheaper, and are willing to do so for others, > without costing more, you might be a great resource for a community of > pluggers. And if that makes more people interested and the market gets bigger with more volume, someone else will come along and make it cheaper than you. > Of course that involves a few slippery slopes. > > Make something small, and someone will always want to add "just one > more thing". I'm no exception. > > - nice to put a switch chip onboard so that you could have the > five-port functionality of a normal home router > > - nice to pick a core with current-gen ARM architecture (there may not > be a chip that has the right balance of features; at first glance > the current chip may be a local optimum). > > - Lennart would like floating point > > - Interesting stuff supported by 88F6281 but not brought out in the > plugs as far as I know (but I haven't really looked) > > + a second SATA port > > + FXO/FXS (for a telephone circuit) > > + PCI Express x1 (that seems over the top for these designs, but > maybe some minicard form factor makes sense) > > + MPEG2-TS (not quite sure how this works) The OpenRD client does have most of that stuff brought out, and to me is a much more interesting device than the plug ones. Now of course marvell does make a similar CPU that has hardware floating point, but I don't know of any device that uses it yet. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 19:00:38 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:00:38 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale Message-ID: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> So tomorrow (Saturday the 27th), NCIX is having a grand opening sale. Might be worth checking out. I am sure most people that build their computers from parts have heard of them. For everyone else they are a very very large computer parts supplier from vancouver (where they have a relail store, in addition to warehouses full of parts). They are opening an Ontario store in Markham at woodbine and highway 7 (so conviniently 5 minutes from my house). I guess now that BC and Ontario have HST, there is no longer a benefit in not having to charge PST to out of province purchasers, and they might as well have a local store for all their Ontario customers. Info here: http://source.ncix.com/eblast/eblast-in-store-firstmarkham/index.html They already have a warehouse in Markham, which happens to have a showroom where people can see some items, but this is an actual store to go along with the four stores in BC. I guess Canada Computers will get some competition now. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 19:16:35 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:16:35 -0700 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Having dealt with both, I'd have to say the I'm MUCH happier with NCIX's service. Hopefully they're as good in Ontario as BC On 2010-08-27 12:01 PM, "Lennart Sorensen" wrote: So tomorrow (Saturday the 27th), NCIX is having a grand opening sale. Might be worth checking out. I am sure most people that build their computers from parts have heard of them. For everyone else they are a very very large computer parts supplier from vancouver (where they have a relail store, in addition to warehouses full of parts). They are opening an Ontario store in Markham at woodbine and highway 7 (so conviniently 5 minutes from my house). I guess now that BC and Ontario have HST, there is no longer a benefit in not having to charge PST to out of province purchasers, and they might as well have a local store for all their Ontario customers. Info here: http://source.ncix.com/eblast/eblast-in-store-firstmarkham/index.html They already have a warehouse in Markham, which happens to have a showroom where people can see some items, but this is an actual store to go along with the four stores in BC. I guess Canada Computers will get some competition now. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 19:42:25 2010 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:42:25 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100827190038.GH2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> On 8/27/2010 3:00 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > So tomorrow (Saturday the 27th), NCIX is having a grand opening sale. > Might be worth checking out. > > I am sure most people that build their computers from parts have heard of > them. For everyone else they are a very very large computer parts > supplier from vancouver (where they have a relail store, in addition to > warehouses full of parts). > > They are opening an Ontario store in Markham at woodbine and highway 7 > (so conviniently 5 minutes from my house). I guess now that BC and > Ontario have HST, there is no longer a benefit in not having to charge > PST to out of province purchasers, and they might as well have a local > store for all their Ontario customers. > > Info here: http://source.ncix.com/eblast/eblast-in-store-firstmarkham/index.html > > They already have a warehouse in Markham, which happens to have a showroom > where people can see some items, but this is an actual store to go along > with the four stores in BC. > > I guess Canada Computers will get some competition now. > Along with tiger direct, let the war begin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 20:27:57 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:27:57 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <4C781521.7040900-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 03:42:25PM -0400, Jose wrote: > Along with tiger direct, let the war begin Well to me TigerDirect is a place with often bad service, selling piles of refurbished crap, and generally not worth looking at (and they even have a store about 2 minutes from the new NCIX store). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 20:34:02 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:34:02 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100827202757.GI2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100827203402.GA5110@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 04:27:57PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 03:42:25PM -0400, Jose wrote: > > Along with tiger direct, let the war begin > > Well to me TigerDirect is a place with often bad service, selling piles > of refurbished crap, and generally not worth looking at (and they even > have a store about 2 minutes from the new NCIX store). And, for some reason, their cpus and motherboards are more expensive than Infonec or Canada Computers. -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 20:55:06 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:55:06 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100827203402.GA5110-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100827203402.GA5110@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20100827205506.GJ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 04:34:02PM -0400, William Park wrote: > And, for some reason, their cpus and motherboards are more expensive > than Infonec or Canada Computers. Yeah certainly anything they do have worth buying is more expensive than elsewhere. Just don't bother with tiger direct. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 21:50:57 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:50:57 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: 'Tis good to have competition to keep Canada Computers and TigerDirect sharp. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 21:52:09 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:52:09 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100827205506.GJ2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100827203402.GA5110@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827205506.GJ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 04:34:02PM -0400, William Park wrote: >> And, for some reason, their cpus and motherboards are more expensive >> than Infonec or Canada Computers. > > Yeah certainly anything they do have worth buying is more expensive > than elsewhere. ?Just don't bother with tiger direct. They are marginally interesting in that they carry some diverse things that (the still rather diverse!) Canada Computers doesn't carry. For instance, they carry a goodly variety of unlocked mobile phones, which CC doesn't. But I always find visits to the storeroom curious. There's a mix of rows where there's somewhat interesting stuff. And then there's the section stacked with cases that are, well, "different than the average," but that look like cheap attempts to make decorative PC cases that I'd under no circumstances buy, even if they weren't rather pricey. NCIX carries a lot more of the "extra electronic gadgets" (such as mobile phones), which is likely to make TigerDirect rather less interesting. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 27 22:22:47 2010 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:22:47 -0400 Subject: Filling / in novel ways In-Reply-To: <20100826144515.GA28351-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100826144515.GA28351@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20100827222247.GA5583@waltdnes.org> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:45:15AM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote > Speaking of Flash, I have been systematically deleting all flash cookies > for a few months with this crontab: > > 0 * * * * rm -r /home/$USER/.adobe; rm -r /home/$USER/.macromedia; > > I have had no problems with stability (until perhaps last night - I must > investigate) and if I delete a browser cookie, it stays deleted, rather > than the zombie cookie behaviour that is increasingly common. While you're at it, beware of the ~/.adobe directory (Adobe bought Macromedia). My rather-heavy-handed solution is to su to root, delete them and then... touch /home/waltdnes/.adobe touch /home/waltdnes/.macromedia Let's see Schlockwave-Trash (running as user waltdnes) try to write or delete the .adobe or .macromedia files (owned by root). And since you can't simultaneously have files and directories with identical names, the directories cannot be created. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 28 00:54:41 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:54:41 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100827203402.GA5110@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827205506.GJ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100828005441.GK2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 05:52:09PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > They are marginally interesting in that they carry some diverse things > that (the still rather diverse!) Canada Computers doesn't carry. For > instance, they carry a goodly variety of unlocked mobile phones, which > CC doesn't. Pacific mall. Problem solved. :) > But I always find visits to the storeroom curious. There's a mix of > rows where there's somewhat interesting stuff. And then there's the > section stacked with cases that are, well, "different than the > average," but that look like cheap attempts to make decorative PC > cases that I'd under no circumstances buy, even if they weren't rather > pricey. Yeah their cases are awful cheap plastic junk. I have ordered silverstone cases from NCIX before, so I am hoping they might stock them, or at least be able to get them from the markham warehouse. > NCIX carries a lot more of the "extra electronic gadgets" (such as > mobile phones), which is likely to make TigerDirect rather less > interesting. Well the NCIX store looks very good (I just went by on the way home) and the workers are busy stocking shelves, some body was finishing tiling the front entrance and putting labels on the windows (store hours, and such). I suspect they will be getting a big sign to put on the building, but they don't have that yet. They have a queueing line set up down and around the corner of the building for lineups in the morning, so I guess they are expecting people. They will also be giving away free stuff, and there is a contest you can enter for free as well (and get more entries if you actually buy stuff of course). The store is just south west of the movie theatre. They will be opening at 9:30. No one was in line yet. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 28 00:56:49 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:56:49 -0400 Subject: [mythtv-gta]: Is 54Mbit wireless like "hub" or "switch"? In-Reply-To: <000001cb463c$8297ce40$87c76ac0$@com> References: <20100827022532.GA3767@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827061221.GA4376@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827022550.ab523ae7.tleslie@tcn.net> <20100827153148.GF2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <000001cb463c$8297ce40$87c76ac0$@com> Message-ID: <20100828005649.GL2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 07:06:24PM -0400, Tom Scott wrote: > Whatever term you want to use for transmitting Ethernet over your home > wiring, I can tell you I didn't have a lot of luck with it when I tried to > connect an upstairs bedroom frontend with my basement backend. > > I had a Belkin system that promised an 80MB/sec connection over the house > wiring. In practice, it would transmit music no problem, but playback would > stutter every minute or so even on standard definition recordings. > > Apparently the transmission rates are highly susceptible to interference > (e.g. using a device with an electric motor on the house wiring, among other > things), also they don't work behind any kind of power-conditioning > equipment (even a cheap surge suppressor power bar completely blocked the > Ethernet traffic). > > When I finally ran the wires through the walls and was able to get rid of > the Belkin set-up, no problems streaming anything, including HD over the > wired network. I have never believed networking over your internal house wiring would work well. I certainly have no intension of trying it. Wifi is bad enough, although with 5Ghz stuff it works quite well (but with less range than 2.4GHz of course). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 28 01:29:19 2010 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:29:19 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100827190038.GH2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Thanks for sharing, I didn't know they where opening up an Ontario store... and only about 10-15 minutes away from my house. I've bought several parts from NCIX over the years, now I can save on shipping costs, Sweet! Cheers, Jason > So tomorrow (Saturday the 27th), NCIX is having a grand opening sale. > Might be worth checking out. > > I am sure most people that build their computers from parts have heard of > them. For everyone else they are a very very large computer parts > supplier from vancouver (where they have a relail store, in addition to > warehouses full of parts). > > They are opening an Ontario store in Markham at woodbine and highway 7 > (so conviniently 5 minutes from my house). I guess now that BC and > Ontario have HST, there is no longer a benefit in not having to charge > PST to out of province purchasers, and they might as well have a local > store for all their Ontario customers. > > Info here: > http://source.ncix.com/eblast/eblast-in-store-firstmarkham/index.html > > They already have a warehouse in Markham, which happens to have a showroom > where people can see some items, but this is an actual store to go along > with the four stores in BC. > > I guess Canada Computers will get some competition now. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 28 02:44:12 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:44:12 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100828005441.GK2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100827203402.GA5110@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827205506.GJ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100828005441.GK2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100828024412.GA22269@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 08:54:41PM -0400, wrote: > Well the NCIX store looks very good (I just went by on the way home) and > the workers are busy stocking shelves, some body was finishing tiling the > front entrance and putting labels on the windows (store hours, and such). > I suspect they will be getting a big sign to put on the building, but > they don't have that yet. They have a queueing line set up down and > around the corner of the building for lineups in the morning, so I guess > they are expecting people. They will also be giving away free stuff, > and there is a contest you can enter for free as well (and get more > entries if you actually buy stuff of course). The store is just south > west of the movie theatre. > > They will be opening at 9:30. No one was in line yet. :) The web site now has a list of all the items on door crasher sale. Some items sure are reduced. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 28 04:00:03 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 00:00:03 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100827190038.GH2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100828040003.GA6202@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 03:00:38PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > So tomorrow (Saturday the 27th), NCIX is having a grand opening sale. > Might be worth checking out. > > I am sure most people that build their computers from parts have heard of > them. For everyone else they are a very very large computer parts > supplier from vancouver (where they have a relail store, in addition to > warehouses full of parts). > > They are opening an Ontario store in Markham at woodbine and highway 7 > (so conviniently 5 minutes from my house). I guess now that BC and > Ontario have HST, there is no longer a benefit in not having to charge > PST to out of province purchasers, and they might as well have a local > store for all their Ontario customers. > > Info here: http://source.ncix.com/eblast/eblast-in-store-firstmarkham/index.html > > They already have a warehouse in Markham, which happens to have a showroom > where people can see some items, but this is an actual store to go along > with the four stores in BC. > > I guess Canada Computers will get some competition now. I'm not sure about that. NCIX prices are awefully high, almost like Tigerdirect. After browsing a bit, I found their website very confusing, and pictures too small. Flip side is, Infonec (at their head office) and Canada Computers do have aweful service and manner. Welcome to commodity retail! -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 28 04:03:24 2010 From: ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Ijaaz A. Ullah) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 00:03:24 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100828040003.GA6202-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100828040003.GA6202@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: I found that most of the time I ended up price matching with newegg.ca or some other site. Made for the cheapest prices around. > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 03:00:38PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> So tomorrow (Saturday the 27th), NCIX is having a grand opening sale. >> Might be worth checking out. >> >> I am sure most people that build their computers from parts have heard of >> them. For everyone else they are a very very large computer parts >> supplier from vancouver (where they have a relail store, in addition to >> warehouses full of parts). >> >> They are opening an Ontario store in Markham at woodbine and highway 7 >> (so conviniently 5 minutes from my house). I guess now that BC and >> Ontario have HST, there is no longer a benefit in not having to charge >> PST to out of province purchasers, and they might as well have a local >> store for all their Ontario customers. >> >> Info here: http://source.ncix.com/eblast/eblast-in-store-firstmarkham/index.html >> >> They already have a warehouse in Markham, which happens to have a showroom >> where people can see some items, but this is an actual store to go along >> with the four stores in BC. >> >> I guess Canada Computers will get some competition now. > > I'm not sure about that. NCIX prices are awefully high, almost like > Tigerdirect. After browsing a bit, I found their website very > confusing, and pictures too small. Flip side is, Infonec (at their head > office) and Canada Computers do have aweful service and manner. Welcome > to commodity retail! > > -- > William > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 28 10:46:59 2010 From: mlxxxp-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 06:46:59 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <4C781521.7040900-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: On 27 August 2010 15:42, Jose wrote: > On 8/27/2010 3:00 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> I guess Canada Computers will get some competition now. > > Along with tiger direct, let the war begin PC Village (looks like it's called PCV Online now) has a location in First Markham Place, the same as this new NCIX store. Many PCV prices are quite reasonable, so if you go to NCIX and don't find what you're looking for, you could try PCV. -- Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 28 13:55:37 2010 From: scruss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:55:37 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100828040003.GA6202-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100828040003.GA6202@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4C791559.9030400@gmail.com> On 10-08-28 00:00 , William Park wrote: > > ... Flip side is, Infonec (at their head > office) and Canada Computers do have awful service and manner. What?! I find Canada Computers to be very polite and helpful, at least at my local branch. If you folks do end up going to First Markham mall, have a beef shanghai noodle with XO sauce at Markham Delight. It used to be $4.89 when I first started going there in 2002, but it's definitely worth the $5.25 they charge now. Om nom nom. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 28 15:50:47 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 11:50:47 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <4C791559.9030400-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100828040003.GA6202@node1.opengeometry.net> <4C791559.9030400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100828155047.GM2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 09:55:37AM -0400, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > What?! I find Canada Computers to be very polite and helpful, at least > at my local branch. > > If you folks do end up going to First Markham mall, have a beef shanghai > noodle with XO sauce at Markham Delight. It used to be $4.89 when I > first started going there in 2002, but it's definitely worth the $5.25 > they charge now. Om nom nom. Well I stopped by this morning at 9:50 and there were somewhere around 1000 people outside in line. Insane! At least they are handing out bottles of water and snacks to people in line. I think I might stop by later today and see what it is like. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 28 15:52:57 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 11:52:57 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100828155047.GM2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100828040003.GA6202@node1.opengeometry.net> <4C791559.9030400@gmail.com> <20100828155047.GM2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100828155257.GN2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:50:47AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 09:55:37AM -0400, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > What?! I find Canada Computers to be very polite and helpful, at least > > at my local branch. Oh I agree. Canada Computers is generally very nice. The college street store can be a bit crazy, but other stores seem great. > > noodle with XO sauce at Markham Delight. It used to be $4.89 when I > > first started going there in 2002, but it's definitely worth the $5.25 > > they charge now. Om nom nom. > > Well I stopped by this morning at 9:50 and there were somewhere around > 1000 people outside in line. Insane! At least they are handing out > bottles of water and snacks to people in line. > > I think I might stop by later today and see what it is like. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 28 21:31:13 2010 From: mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dan McCudden) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 17:31:13 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100828155047.GM2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100828040003.GA6202@node1.opengeometry.net> <4C791559.9030400@gmail.com> <20100828155047.GM2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <6437017651929121212@unknownmsgid> 1000 people...lined up for the opening of a computer store? Well, those are like hen's teeth here in TO so I guess it makes sense. To think I wasted my morning sleeping in like a fool! Also, does Markham Delight do that thing that is beef, peas, onions, gravy and a raw egg on rice? If so I'm there. On 2010-08-28, at 11:50 AM, lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) wrote: > On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 09:55:37AM -0400, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >> What?! I find Canada Computers to be very polite and helpful, at least >> at my local branch. >> >> If you folks do end up going to First Markham mall, have a beef shanghai >> noodle with XO sauce at Markham Delight. It used to be $4.89 when I >> first started going there in 2002, but it's definitely worth the $5.25 >> they charge now. Om nom nom. > > Well I stopped by this morning at 9:50 and there were somewhere around > 1000 people outside in line. Insane! At least they are handing out > bottles of water and snacks to people in line. > > I think I might stop by later today and see what it is like. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 28 21:48:03 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 17:48:03 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100827202757.GI2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4C798413.4020203@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 03:42:25PM -0400, Jose wrote: > >> Along with tiger direct, let the war begin >> > Well to me TigerDirect is a place with often bad service, selling piles > of refurbished crap, and generally not worth looking at (and they even > have a store about 2 minutes from the new NCIX store). > > I find Canada Computers has better prices than TD. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 28 21:49:59 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 17:49:59 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100827205506.GJ2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100827203402.GA5110@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827205506.GJ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4C798487.40002@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 04:34:02PM -0400, William Park wrote: > >> And, for some reason, their cpus and motherboards are more expensive >> than Infonec or Canada Computers. >> > Yeah certainly anything they do have worth buying is more expensive > than elsewhere. Just don't bother with tiger direct. > > Another problem with them is warranty support. On a lot of what they sell, it has to go to the U.S.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 28 22:11:40 2010 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:11:40 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100828155047.GM2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca>, <4C791559.9030400@gmail.com>, <20100828155047.GM2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4C79515C.14067.11E0E647@sciguy.vex.net> Not impressed. The '000 or so people in line slowly died out around 11AM, but the lineup was extremely slow. The last 75 meters or so took over 2 hours when I was in line. People in front of me waited 4 hours. By 4PM, after I had come out of one of the myriad restaurants there, there was still that same "two hour" lineup, and they close today at 5. Inside, a small store with few people allowed in at a time. I was impressed with what they had, but the size of the store limited their range of offerings by a great deal. I was intending to buy a monitor for a desktop computer, but saw nothing that looked less expensive than anywhere else. I left empty-handed. There was some other stuff there that looked interesting, like their system boxes and power supplies. But again, their selection was surprisingly sparse, and their prices were nothing to brag about, IMO. Paul On 28 Aug 2010 at 11:50, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 09:55:37AM -0400, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > What?! I find Canada Computers to be very polite and helpful, at least > > at my local branch. > > > > If you folks do end up going to First Markham mall, have a beef shanghai > > noodle with XO sauce at Markham Delight. It used to be $4.89 when I > > first started going there in 2002, but it's definitely worth the $5.25 > > they charge now. Om nom nom. > > Well I stopped by this morning at 9:50 and there were somewhere around > 1000 people outside in line. Insane! At least they are handing out > bottles of water and snacks to people in line. > > I think I might stop by later today and see what it is like. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5405 (20100828) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 29 05:43:52 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 01:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100828005441.GK2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100827203402.GA5110@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827205506.GJ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100828005441.GK2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:54:41 -0400 | They will be opening at 9:30. No one was in line yet. :) Apparently the first person in line showed up an hour after you posted this. I lined up at 7:45. I would not have done so if I had known how long it would take. Not only was the line long, it moved very slowly. Service inside was quite good considering the backlog. I bought a number of things that were at good prices. Most purchases were about $10 less than good sale prices (eg. 8-port 1G ethernet switch for $9.99, WD Green 2T $89.99). Best bargain I got: Acer Revo R3610 for $199.99; best price on shopbot.ca $325.28 (so tasty that I bought two). The freebies were not worth the bother but they did break up the monotony of the wait. They were essentially swag from manufacturers. I got an AMD ballcap that I put to good use in the hot sun. There were draws, but you were only eligible for real-time draws while in the store (generally a short period), not while in the lineup. My impressions of stores: - NCIX and Bewawa have good sale prices. Not so sure about regular prices. Bewawa delivery is great (free in GTA, same day if ordered before 15:00; credit card on delivery -- a lot like pizza delivery) - Canada Computers sales are less often exciting, but their normal prices are reasonable. - Tiger Direct sometimes has good deals but you cannot tell from their ads -- they emphasize mediocre prices as much as good ones. Their normal prices, especially when including shipping, are bad. But they do have stuff that others don't. - Newegg.ca sometimes has good sale prices. My impression is that their normal prices are better than Tiger Direct's. They too have a very large set of products. Shipping adds friction but a subset of deals throw in "free" shipping. - Dell sometimes has a good deal within sales. Lots of that stuff is not Dell branded (pace, Lennart). - I haven't bought anything from PC Village, Sonnam, Filtech, or Infonec in a while but they are worth considering (probably in reverse order). - once in a blue moon, Future Shop, Best Buy, Staples, or The Source accidentally have a good sale price. Future Shop has a good price match policy, but when I've found a good example to use, they refuse to apply their policy. - there are lots of amusing cheap junk available mail-order from Hong Kong and China. I've dealt with dealextreme and focalprice. I've had to RMA some things. I was recently warned that cheap some green lasers may emit an eye-damaging amount of (invisible) infrared. There is a correlation between the money you "save" and the time you spend bargain hunting. If you value your time, bargain hunting may not be worthwhile. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vertaxis-fLiV7HKGQdk at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 29 12:43:25 2010 From: vertaxis-fLiV7HKGQdk at public.gmane.org (vertaxis) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 08:43:25 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100827203402.GA5110@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827205506.GJ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100828005441.GK2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4C7A55ED.9090201@vif.com> For those of us who didn't go to the new store yet.... Is this a full store selling current stock, or is it a clearance warehouse like the TigerDirect stores? John On 2010/08/29 1:43 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Lennart Sorensen > | Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:54:41 -0400 > > | They will be opening at 9:30. No one was in line yet. :) > > Apparently the first person in line showed up an hour after you posted > this. > > I lined up at 7:45. I would not have done so if I had known how long > it would take. Not only was the line long, it moved very slowly. > > Service inside was quite good considering the backlog. > > I bought a number of things that were at good prices. Most purchases > were about $10 less than good sale prices (eg. 8-port 1G ethernet > switch for $9.99, WD Green 2T $89.99). Best bargain I got: Acer Revo > R3610 for $199.99; best price on shopbot.ca $325.28 (so tasty that I > bought two). > > The freebies were not worth the bother but they did break up the > monotony of the wait. They were essentially swag from > manufacturers. I got an AMD ballcap that I put to good use in > the hot sun. > > There were draws, but you were only eligible for real-time draws while > in the store (generally a short period), not while in the lineup. > > My impressions of stores: > > - NCIX and Bewawa have good sale prices. Not so sure about regular > prices. Bewawa delivery is great (free in GTA, same day if ordered > before 15:00; credit card on delivery -- a lot like pizza delivery) > > - Canada Computers sales are less often exciting, but their normal > prices are reasonable. > > - Tiger Direct sometimes has good deals but you cannot tell from their > ads -- they emphasize mediocre prices as much as good ones. Their > normal prices, especially when including shipping, are bad. But > they do have stuff that others don't. > > - Newegg.ca sometimes has good sale prices. My impression is that > their normal prices are better than Tiger Direct's. They too have a > very large set of products. Shipping adds friction but a subset of > deals throw in "free" shipping. > > - Dell sometimes has a good deal within sales. Lots of that stuff is > not Dell branded (pace, Lennart). > > - I haven't bought anything from PC Village, Sonnam, Filtech, or > Infonec in a while but they are worth considering (probably in > reverse order). > > - once in a blue moon, Future Shop, Best Buy, Staples, or The Source > accidentally have a good sale price. Future Shop has a good price > match policy, but when I've found a good example to use, they refuse > to apply their policy. > > - there are lots of amusing cheap junk available mail-order from Hong > Kong and China. I've dealt with dealextreme and focalprice. I've > had to RMA some things. I was recently warned that cheap some green > lasers may emit an eye-damaging amount of (invisible) infrared. > > There is a correlation between the money you "save" and the time you > spend bargain hunting. If you value your time, bargain hunting may > not be worthwhile. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 29 12:56:17 2010 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 08:56:17 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <4C7A55ED.9090201-fLiV7HKGQdk@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca>, , <4C7A55ED.9090201@vif.com> Message-ID: <4C7A20B1.23591.150AC8E8@sciguy.vex.net> No, the NCIX warehouse is separate, on the other side of the 407. -------------------------------------------------- On 29 Aug 2010 at 8:43, vertaxis wrote: For those of us who didn't go to the new store yet.... Is this a full store selling current stock, or is it a clearance warehouse like the TigerDirect stores? John On 2010/08/29 1:43 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | From: Lennart Sorensen | Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:54:41 -0400 | They will be opening at 9:30. No one was in line yet. :) Apparently the first person in line showed up an hour after you posted this. I lined up at 7:45. I would not have done so if I had known how long it would take. Not only was the line long, it moved very slowly. Service inside was quite good considering the backlog. I bought a number of things that were at good prices. Most purchases were about $10 less than good sale prices (eg. 8-port 1G ethernet switch for $9.99, WD Green 2T $89.99). Best bargain I got: Acer Revo R3610 for $199.99; best price on shopbot.ca $325.28 (so tasty that I bought two). The freebies were not worth the bother but they did break up the monotony of the wait. They were essentially swag from manufacturers. I got an AMD ballcap that I put to good use in the hot sun. There were draws, but you were only eligible for real-time draws while in the store (generally a short period), not while in the lineup. My impressions of stores: - NCIX and Bewawa have good sale prices. Not so sure about regular prices. Bewawa delivery is great (free in GTA, same day if ordered before 15:00; credit card on delivery -- a lot like pizza delivery) - Canada Computers sales are less often exciting, but their normal prices are reasonable. - Tiger Direct sometimes has good deals but you cannot tell from their ads -- they emphasize mediocre prices as much as good ones. Their normal prices, especially when including shipping, are bad. But they do have stuff that others don't. - Newegg.ca sometimes has good sale prices. My impression is that their normal prices are better than Tiger Direct's. They too have a very large set of products. Shipping adds friction but a subset of deals throw in "free" shipping. - Dell sometimes has a good deal within sales. Lots of that stuff is not Dell branded (pace, Lennart). - I haven't bought anything from PC Village, Sonnam, Filtech, or Infonec in a while but they are worth considering (probably in reverse order). - once in a blue moon, Future Shop, Best Buy, Staples, or The Source accidentally have a good sale price. Future Shop has a good price match policy, but when I've found a good example to use, they refuse to apply their policy. - there are lots of amusing cheap junk available mail-order from Hong Kong and China. I've dealt with dealextreme and focalprice. I've had to RMA some things. I was recently warned that cheap some green lasers may emit an eye-damaging amount of (invisible) infrared. There is a correlation between the money you "save" and the time you spend bargain hunting. If you value your time, bargain hunting may not be worthwhile. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5406 (20100829) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 29 13:40:51 2010 From: ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Ijaaz A. Ullah) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:40:51 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100827203402.GA5110@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827205506.GJ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100828005441.GK2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: The price on that acer is amazing! I was just looking at ordering one of those for a new myth fronted. Wonder what the price is now.. > | From: Lennart Sorensen > | Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:54:41 -0400 > > | They will be opening at 9:30. No one was in line yet. :) > > Apparently the first person in line showed up an hour after you posted > this. > > I lined up at 7:45. I would not have done so if I had known how long > it would take. Not only was the line long, it moved very slowly. > > Service inside was quite good considering the backlog. > > I bought a number of things that were at good prices. Most purchases > were about $10 less than good sale prices (eg. 8-port 1G ethernet > switch for $9.99, WD Green 2T $89.99). Best bargain I got: Acer Revo > R3610 for $199.99; best price on shopbot.ca $325.28 (so tasty that I > bought two). > > The freebies were not worth the bother but they did break up the > monotony of the wait. They were essentially swag from > manufacturers. I got an AMD ballcap that I put to good use in > the hot sun. > > There were draws, but you were only eligible for real-time draws while > in the store (generally a short period), not while in the lineup. > > My impressions of stores: > > - NCIX and Bewawa have good sale prices. Not so sure about regular > prices. Bewawa delivery is great (free in GTA, same day if ordered > before 15:00; credit card on delivery -- a lot like pizza delivery) > > - Canada Computers sales are less often exciting, but their normal > prices are reasonable. > > - Tiger Direct sometimes has good deals but you cannot tell from their > ads -- they emphasize mediocre prices as much as good ones. Their > normal prices, especially when including shipping, are bad. But > they do have stuff that others don't. > > - Newegg.ca sometimes has good sale prices. My impression is that > their normal prices are better than Tiger Direct's. They too have a > very large set of products. Shipping adds friction but a subset of > deals throw in "free" shipping. > > - Dell sometimes has a good deal within sales. Lots of that stuff is > not Dell branded (pace, Lennart). > > - I haven't bought anything from PC Village, Sonnam, Filtech, or > Infonec in a while but they are worth considering (probably in > reverse order). > > - once in a blue moon, Future Shop, Best Buy, Staples, or The Source > accidentally have a good sale price. Future Shop has a good price > match policy, but when I've found a good example to use, they refuse > to apply their policy. > > - there are lots of amusing cheap junk available mail-order from Hong > Kong and China. I've dealt with dealextreme and focalprice. I've > had to RMA some things. I was recently warned that cheap some green > lasers may emit an eye-damaging amount of (invisible) infrared. > > There is a correlation between the money you "save" and the time you > spend bargain hunting. If you value your time, bargain hunting may > not be worthwhile. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 29 14:39:54 2010 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:39:54 -0400 Subject: identity theft Message-ID: I received a call from 023 456-7890 The caller identified themselves as being affiliated with bell canada and offering a cell phone at an awesome price with no network fees ..... Then proceed to ask personal information such as birth day, drivers license number, etc. I phoned bell and they indicated it was an attempt at identity theft. Now I realize most of us on this list are wary enough to see this coming, but the more people know about it the better. Dave Cramer VP Software Development Visible Assets Inc. www.visibleassets.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 29 14:57:10 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 07:57:10 -0700 Subject: identity theft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Goes along the lines of the "you won a vacation, what's your CC #" scams. Between my work and personal cell I was called over a dozen times by those bugges. I'm sure they get enough hits to make it worthwhile, and nobody seems to do anything about it. On 2010-08-29 10:41 AM, "Dave Cramer" wrote: I received a call from 023 456-7890 The caller identified themselves as being affiliated with bell canada and offering a cell phone at an awesome price with no network fees ..... Then proceed to ask personal information such as birth day, drivers license number, etc. I phoned bell and they indicated it was an attempt at identity theft. Now I realize most of us on this list are wary enough to see this coming, but the more people know about it the better. Dave Cramer VP Software Development Visible Assets Inc. www.visibleassets.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 29 15:20:31 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:20:31 -0400 Subject: identity theft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100829152030.GA4062@node1.opengeometry.net> How about "survey on Radio/TV station"? Like, what is your favourite station, program, etc. Before you know it, you get robbed during 2 hours window when no one is at home. -- William On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 07:57:10AM -0700, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Goes along the lines of the "you won a vacation, what's your CC #" scams. > Between my work and personal cell I was called over a dozen times by those > bugges. > > I'm sure they get enough hits to make it worthwhile, and nobody seems to do > anything about it. > > On 2010-08-29 10:41 AM, "Dave Cramer" wrote: > > I received a call from 023 456-7890 > > The caller identified themselves as being affiliated with bell canada > and offering a cell phone at an awesome price with no network fees > ..... > > Then proceed to ask personal information such as birth day, drivers > license number, etc. > > I phoned bell and they indicated it was an attempt at identity theft. > Now I realize most of us on this list are wary enough to see this > coming, but the more people know about it the better. > > > Dave Cramer > VP Software Development > Visible Assets Inc. > www.visibleassets.com > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 29 15:25:54 2010 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:25:54 -0400 Subject: identity theft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C7A7C02.6060207@gmail.com> On 8/29/2010 10:39 AM, Dave Cramer wrote: > I received a call from 023 456-7890 > > The caller identified themselves as being affiliated with bell canada > and offering a cell phone at an awesome price with no network fees > ..... > > Then proceed to ask personal information such as birth day, drivers > license number, etc. > > I phoned bell and they indicated it was an attempt at identity theft. > Now I realize most of us on this list are wary enough to see this > coming, but the more people know about it the better. I received an automated call from Bell saying that a technician was showing up at my house to do work on my land line. The volume was very bad and it kept stuttering as it would play. I stayed on the line, expecting to be sent to a con artist. Instead, I seemed to be sent to a bell rep who didn't ask for any personal information, not even my first name, they then claimed to add my phone number to their "do not call" list. I'm pretty sure it was legit because the girl on the phone said "thank you for ch... and have a nice day" Although... thinking about it now, she was helpful, intelligent and polite... maybe she *wasn't* with Bell. hmmm... -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 29 15:14:57 2010 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:14:57 +0400 Subject: identity theft In-Reply-To: <20100829152030.GA4062-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100829152030.GA4062@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4C7A7971.5070705@gmail.com> Once, yet in 1997, I lived in a very ugly part of Toronto, a place really strange. Most like me were Polish. A phone call once. A lady introduced herself as a sort of officer, and asked me strange questions about others living at the house. So, you know what is supposed to be standard answer? Very simple. Ask her for her phone number so you may call back. Some time later I understood the situation. Early in the morning the entire house was surrounded by the police. Strangely, they did not touch me, when I left the house and come back; initially I did not even notice them. I do not really know what has happened (exept I did hear gun shots and, it seems, taking the door by force, but I was sleeping..) It looks like that there was a lady living at the house who had some serious problems with the law. Drugs, anything else? I remember her as a very, very intelligent person. And what the police was doing calling me? Well, simply investigating the situation withing the house, before mounting a surprised attack on her. William Park wrote: > How about "survey on Radio/TV station"? Like, what is your favourite > station, program, etc. Before you know it, you get robbed during 2 > hours window when no one is at home. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 29 16:34:16 2010 From: ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Ijaaz A. Ullah) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:34:16 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100827203402.GA5110@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827205506.GJ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100828005441.GK2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Looks like they've been cleaned out... > The price on that acer is amazing! I was just looking at ordering one of > those for a new myth fronted. Wonder what the price is now.. >> | From: Lennart Sorensen >> | Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:54:41 -0400 >> >> | They will be opening at 9:30. No one was in line yet. :) >> >> Apparently the first person in line showed up an hour after you posted >> this. >> >> I lined up at 7:45. I would not have done so if I had known how long >> it would take. Not only was the line long, it moved very slowly. >> >> Service inside was quite good considering the backlog. >> >> I bought a number of things that were at good prices. Most purchases >> were about $10 less than good sale prices (eg. 8-port 1G ethernet >> switch for $9.99, WD Green 2T $89.99). Best bargain I got: Acer Revo >> R3610 for $199.99; best price on shopbot.ca $325.28 (so tasty that I >> bought two). >> >> The freebies were not worth the bother but they did break up the >> monotony of the wait. They were essentially swag from >> manufacturers. I got an AMD ballcap that I put to good use in >> the hot sun. >> >> There were draws, but you were only eligible for real-time draws while >> in the store (generally a short period), not while in the lineup. >> >> My impressions of stores: >> >> - NCIX and Bewawa have good sale prices. Not so sure about regular >> prices. Bewawa delivery is great (free in GTA, same day if ordered >> before 15:00; credit card on delivery -- a lot like pizza delivery) >> >> - Canada Computers sales are less often exciting, but their normal >> prices are reasonable. >> >> - Tiger Direct sometimes has good deals but you cannot tell from their >> ads -- they emphasize mediocre prices as much as good ones. Their >> normal prices, especially when including shipping, are bad. But >> they do have stuff that others don't. >> >> - Newegg.ca sometimes has good sale prices. My impression is that >> their normal prices are better than Tiger Direct's. They too have a >> very large set of products. Shipping adds friction but a subset of >> deals throw in "free" shipping. >> >> - Dell sometimes has a good deal within sales. Lots of that stuff is >> not Dell branded (pace, Lennart). >> >> - I haven't bought anything from PC Village, Sonnam, Filtech, or >> Infonec in a while but they are worth considering (probably in >> reverse order). >> >> - once in a blue moon, Future Shop, Best Buy, Staples, or The Source >> accidentally have a good sale price. Future Shop has a good price >> match policy, but when I've found a good example to use, they refuse >> to apply their policy. >> >> - there are lots of amusing cheap junk available mail-order from Hong >> Kong and China. I've dealt with dealextreme and focalprice. I've >> had to RMA some things. I was recently warned that cheap some green >> lasers may emit an eye-damaging amount of (invisible) infrared. >> >> There is a correlation between the money you "save" and the time you >> spend bargain hunting. If you value your time, bargain hunting may >> not be worthwhile. >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 29 17:55:08 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Acer Revo (was Re:NCIX grand opening sale) In-Reply-To: References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100827203402.GA5110@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827205506.GJ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100828005441.GK2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Ijaaz A. Ullah | The price on that acer is amazing! I was just looking at ordering one of | those for a new myth fronted. Wonder what the price is now.. You can look it up online; $429.99: The same thing is also $394.99 at NCIX (but it says that the price ends last Friday!?! but it lets me add it to the cart): or use "open box" button for $365.49. Canada computers has some at $399.99: See also: A very similar model (smaller disk, less RAM) is only $329: I don't immediately see that NCIX offers the r1600 at the moment. I did buy an Acer Revo R1600 from NCIX on the last day before HST ($200). That one (our second) we use mounted on the back of a 19" LCD monitor (it comes with a cradle for attaching to the VESA mountpoints; some monitors allow this but others use that to attach their stand). We use another Acer Revo r1600 as a MythTV front-end. We actually use XMBC because it can talk to my two backends that are running different revs of Myth. The r1600 might be a better choice than the r3610: + significantly cheaper normally - 1G of RAM is a bit light these days, but OK. I added 1G since I had a cheap stick laying about + comes without MS Windows + comes with FreeDOS! - comes without Linux, even though it is advertised as "Linux boot" + no trouble running Ubuntu. Except for the wireless which needs a tiny obscure kludge. - smaller disk (who cares; if you need lots of space for videos, use eSata to add bulk storage) - slightly crippled ION LE processor. No affect on Linux, as far as I know. In MS Windows, I understand that there is a hack to avoid the crippling of Direct X 10. + might run cooler since the r1600 has a single core Atom rather than two. I intend to measure that. - some tasks might run more slowly due to the single core Atom, but probably not front-end tasks. If you care about CPU performance, Atom isn't great anyway. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 29 18:07:34 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <4C7A55ED.9090201-fLiV7HKGQdk@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100827203402.GA5110@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827205506.GJ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100828005441.GK2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C7A55ED.9090201@vif.com> Message-ID: | From: vertaxis | Is this a full store selling current stock, or is it a clearance warehouse | like the TigerDirect stores? Tiger Direct stores are not warehouses, except in market-speak. They are regular stores. I understand that TD has a separate GTA warehouse. At least some TD stores have had areas where they sell "open box" stuff. Oddly, TD stores don't always honour TD online prices. And they certainly don't carry everything. TD created its Canadian footprint by buying a Canadian company that dealt with businesses, not consumers. This did create a bit of culture clash. Mind you TD wants to do that too. Some of the most interesting things TD sells are end-of-line products or factory refubs. I guess TD has a scale that lets them deal with big lumps of inventory that manufacturers wish to flush. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vertaxis-fLiV7HKGQdk at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 29 18:46:09 2010 From: vertaxis-fLiV7HKGQdk at public.gmane.org (vertaxis) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:46:09 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100827203402.GA5110@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827205506.GJ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100828005441.GK2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C7A55ED.9090201@vif.com> Message-ID: <4C7AAAF1.60600@vif.com> My experience with TD stores is that they carry some current and a lot of clearance items. If it's something they take off the website, you'll find it in the store for final clearout. On 2010/08/29 2:07 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: vertaxis > > | Is this a full store selling current stock, or is it a clearance warehouse > | like the TigerDirect stores? > > Tiger Direct stores are not warehouses, except in market-speak. > > They are regular stores. I understand that TD has a separate GTA > warehouse. At least some TD stores have had areas where they > sell "open box" stuff. > > Oddly, TD stores don't always honour TD online prices. And they > certainly don't carry everything. > > TD created its Canadian footprint by buying a Canadian company that > dealt with businesses, not consumers. This did create a bit of > culture clash. Mind you TD wants to do that too. > > Some of the most interesting things TD sells are end-of-line products or > factory refubs. I guess TD has a scale that lets them deal with big > lumps of inventory that manufacturers wish to flush. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 29 19:07:39 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:07:39 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100827190038.GH2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > So tomorrow (Saturday the 27th), NCIX is having a grand opening sale. > Might be worth checking out. Well, I went out on Saturday and came away feeling burned, in more ways than one... There were a few items that looked interesting on their web page, so I went, it took about 1.5 hours by TTC and Markham transit to get out to the store. Then it was 3 hours waiting in line to get in the store... by that time all the specials I was interested in were sold out :-( . I left the store empty handed :-( . While waiting in the sun of their parking lot I did develop a bit of a sunburn :-( . During the wait the staff did hand out some bottled water (small mercy), not so nice was a pen they gave away that broke on me (at least blue ink on black pants is not that visible) :-( . Specials aside NCIX prices seem to be on a par with Tiger Direct, which is to say lousy compared to the usual College / Spadina suspects. A saving grace for Tiger Direct is that they carry some specialty home theater PC products that none of the other computer shops in town carry. The NCIX location is a short distance from Tiger Direct's Markham store. Going forward, I can see myself continuing to shop at Tiger Direct, once in a blue moon (but just for some specialty items, and just at their easier to get to (for me), Etobicoke store). Unless NCIX either drops their prices, or starts offering specialty items that I want but can't find elsewhere ... well, I don't see myself returning to them, ever... Colin. > I am sure most people that build their computers from parts have heard of > them. ?For everyone else they are a very very large computer parts > supplier from vancouver (where they have a relail store, in addition to > warehouses full of parts). > > They are opening an Ontario store in Markham at woodbine and highway 7 > (so conviniently 5 minutes from my house). ?I guess now that BC and > Ontario have HST, there is no longer a benefit in not having to charge > PST to out of province purchasers, and they might as well have a local > store for all their Ontario customers. > > Info here: http://source.ncix.com/eblast/eblast-in-store-firstmarkham/index.html > > They already have a warehouse in Markham, which happens to have a showroom > where people can see some items, but this is an actual store to go along > with the four stores in BC. > > I guess Canada Computers will get some competition now. Well, no, not really. Canada Computers has several things going for them that NCIX, at least at present, doesn't. Specials aside, Canada Computers has better prices than NCIX, not as inexpensive as the least expensive shops around College & Spadina, but not far off. Canada Computers has better locations (among them a College / Spadina location and a Yonge / Finch location both of which are far easier for me to get to than Woodbine / Highway 7). Canada Computers does carry some home theater PC items (what Canada Computers doesn't carry, it seams Tiger Direct does and vice-versa). Colin. > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 29 21:22:55 2010 From: ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Ijaaz A. Ullah) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:22:55 -0400 Subject: Acer Revo (was Re:NCIX grand opening sale) In-Reply-To: References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100827203402.GA5110@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827205506.GJ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100828005441.GK2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Last winter, I purchased: Zotac IONITX-C MINI-ITX Intel Atom N230 MCP7A-ION DDR2 GBLAN Video Audio 90W PSU Motherboard MINI-BOX M350 Universal MINI-ITX Computer Case Black 1X2.5INT Works with Pico PSU - Black Kingston ValueRAM KVR667D2N5/2G PC2-5300 2GB 1X2GB DDR2-667 240PIN DIMM Memory worked out to about $250 before tax I stuck in a 4gb usb stick that I had lying around and I now use this as a front end in my bedroom (driving a 720p LCD via HDMI without any problems). This box has no moving parts and is totally silent. I was hoping that I could get a similar Acer (trading off the nicer form factor for noise level) at the same price. A Zotac MAG (http://ncix.com/products/?sku=46919) or R1600 sounds like the way to go (I believe you need 2gb for VDPAU), the hard part is finding one now. On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:55 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Ijaaz A. Ullah > > | The price on that acer is amazing! I was just looking at ordering one of > | those for a new myth fronted. ?Wonder what the price is now.. > > You can look it up online; $429.99: > ? > The same thing is also $394.99 at NCIX (but it says that the price > ends last Friday!?! but it lets me add it to the cart): > ? > or use "open box" button for $365.49. > Canada computers has some at $399.99: > ? > See also: > ? > > A very similar model (smaller disk, less RAM) is only $329: > ? > > I don't immediately see that NCIX offers the r1600 at the moment. > > I did buy an Acer Revo R1600 from NCIX on the last day before HST > ($200). ?That one (our second) we use mounted on the back of a 19" LCD > monitor (it comes with a cradle for attaching to the VESA mountpoints; > some monitors allow this but others use that to attach their stand). > > We use another Acer Revo r1600 as a MythTV front-end. ?We actually use XMBC > because it can talk to my two backends that are running different revs > of Myth. ?The r1600 might be a better choice than the r3610: > > + significantly cheaper normally > > - 1G of RAM is a bit light these days, but OK. ?I added 1G since I had > ?a cheap stick laying about > > + comes without MS Windows > > + comes with FreeDOS! > > - comes without Linux, even though it is advertised as "Linux boot" > > + no trouble running Ubuntu. ?Except for the wireless which needs a > ?tiny obscure kludge. > > - smaller disk (who cares; if you need lots of space for videos, use eSata > ?to add bulk storage) > > - slightly crippled ION LE processor. ?No affect on Linux, as far as I > ?know. ?In MS Windows, I understand that there is a hack to avoid the > ?crippling of Direct X 10. > > + might run cooler since the r1600 has a single core Atom rather than > ?two. ?I intend to measure that. > > - some tasks might run more slowly due to the single core Atom, but > ?probably not front-end tasks. ?If you care about CPU performance, > ?Atom isn't great anyway. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 30 01:20:20 2010 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:20:20 -0400 Subject: Acer Revo (was Re:NCIX grand opening sale) In-Reply-To: References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100827203402.GA5110@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827205506.GJ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100828005441.GK2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100830012019.GA5043@node1.opengeometry.net> Hi Hugh, Question: If Acer Revo R1600 can be MythTV frontend, then, by definition, can it also be used as MythTV backend? From what I read, backend doesn't have to encode MPEG-2, since ATSC is already MPEG-2 encoded. It just have to save the TV stream coming from TV tuner to disk. -- William On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 01:55:08PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I did buy an Acer Revo R1600 from NCIX on the last day before HST > ($200). That one (our second) we use mounted on the back of a 19" LCD > monitor (it comes with a cradle for attaching to the VESA mountpoints; > some monitors allow this but others use that to attach their stand). > > We use another Acer Revo r1600 as a MythTV front-end. We actually use XMBC > because it can talk to my two backends that are running different revs > of Myth. The r1600 might be a better choice than the r3610: > > + significantly cheaper normally > > - 1G of RAM is a bit light these days, but OK. I added 1G since I had > a cheap stick laying about > > + comes without MS Windows > > + comes with FreeDOS! > > - comes without Linux, even though it is advertised as "Linux boot" > > + no trouble running Ubuntu. Except for the wireless which needs a > tiny obscure kludge. > > - smaller disk (who cares; if you need lots of space for videos, use eSata > to add bulk storage) > > - slightly crippled ION LE processor. No affect on Linux, as far as I > know. In MS Windows, I understand that there is a hack to avoid the > crippling of Direct X 10. > > + might run cooler since the r1600 has a single core Atom rather than > two. I intend to measure that. > > - some tasks might run more slowly due to the single core Atom, but > probably not front-end tasks. If you care about CPU performance, > Atom isn't great anyway. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 30 01:56:21 2010 From: ijaaz-UwkSZrAjFfdkDLQDXwjzI9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Ijaaz A. Ullah) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:56:21 -0400 Subject: Acer Revo (was Re:NCIX grand opening sale) In-Reply-To: <20100830012019.GA5043-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100827203402.GA5110@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827205506.GJ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100828005441.GK2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100830012019.GA5043@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: It should be fine, all you really want is decent io. Just don't expect to do any commercial flagging or transcoding. > Hi Hugh, > > Question: > If Acer Revo R1600 can be MythTV frontend, then, by definition, can > it also be used as MythTV backend? From what I read, backend > doesn't have to encode MPEG-2, since ATSC is already MPEG-2 encoded. > It just have to save the TV stream coming from TV tuner to disk. > > -- > William > > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 01:55:08PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> I did buy an Acer Revo R1600 from NCIX on the last day before HST >> ($200). That one (our second) we use mounted on the back of a 19" LCD >> monitor (it comes with a cradle for attaching to the VESA mountpoints; >> some monitors allow this but others use that to attach their stand). >> >> We use another Acer Revo r1600 as a MythTV front-end. We actually use XMBC >> because it can talk to my two backends that are running different revs >> of Myth. The r1600 might be a better choice than the r3610: >> >> + significantly cheaper normally >> >> - 1G of RAM is a bit light these days, but OK. I added 1G since I had >> a cheap stick laying about >> >> + comes without MS Windows >> >> + comes with FreeDOS! >> >> - comes without Linux, even though it is advertised as "Linux boot" >> >> + no trouble running Ubuntu. Except for the wireless which needs a >> tiny obscure kludge. >> >> - smaller disk (who cares; if you need lots of space for videos, use eSata >> to add bulk storage) >> >> - slightly crippled ION LE processor. No affect on Linux, as far as I >> know. In MS Windows, I understand that there is a hack to avoid the >> crippling of Direct X 10. >> >> + might run cooler since the r1600 has a single core Atom rather than >> two. I intend to measure that. >> >> - some tasks might run more slowly due to the single core Atom, but >> probably not front-end tasks. If you care about CPU performance, >> Atom isn't great anyway. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From web-d7rjRpVnz4HL3mmD008VJw at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 30 03:28:49 2010 From: web-d7rjRpVnz4HL3mmD008VJw at public.gmane.org (Eliot Frost) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 22:28:49 -0500 Subject: Filling / in novel ways In-Reply-To: <20100827222247.GA5583-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20100826144515.GA28351@yam.witteman.ca> <20100827222247.GA5583@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: How well does this actually work? I'd be worried that if you denied the creation of a cache for Flash, it would simply not be able to buffer video or animation. Or does all of the caching take place in /tmp, and if so, what's in .adobe and .macromedia ? Eliot On 27 August 2010 17:22, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:45:15AM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote > > > Speaking of Flash, I have been systematically deleting all flash cookies > > for a few months with this crontab: > > > > 0 * * * * rm -r /home/$USER/.adobe; rm -r /home/$USER/.macromedia; > > > > I have had no problems with stability (until perhaps last night - I must > > investigate) and if I delete a browser cookie, it stays deleted, rather > > than the zombie cookie behaviour that is increasingly common. > > While you're at it, beware of the ~/.adobe directory (Adobe bought > Macromedia). My rather-heavy-handed solution is to su to root, delete > them and then... > > touch /home/waltdnes/.adobe > touch /home/waltdnes/.macromedia > > Let's see Schlockwave-Trash (running as user waltdnes) try to write or > delete the .adobe or .macromedia files (owned by root). And since you > can't simultaneously have files and directories with identical names, > the directories cannot be created. > > -- > Walter Dnes > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 30 04:48:00 2010 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 00:48:00 -0400 Subject: Ontario Linux Fest 2010, rest in peace... Message-ID: Just to note, there is a posting on the Ontario Linux Fest site that the 2010 event has been canceled. Details to be seen here: http://onlinux.ca/ The loss of any pro-Linux event is unfortunate, especially when the event is local. Colin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 30 04:59:09 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 00:59:09 -0400 Subject: Ontario Linux Fest 2010, rest in peace... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100830005909.43132fc5.tleslie@tcn.net> odd that an event like this can be canceled by one person? obviously if the event survived primarily by the one person and no one (or few) can step in, obviously the event owes itself to this one person, and it is what it is. I am surprised there isn't people to pick it up, especially if the attendees, speakers and sponsors are "not" the reason. " this year we, or rather I, was not up to the task. " may there be more to this story? reminds me of centos incident from a year or two ago. tl On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 00:48:00 -0400 Colin McGregor wrote: > Just to note, there is a posting on the Ontario Linux Fest site that > the 2010 event has been canceled. Details to be seen here: > > http://onlinux.ca/ > > The loss of any pro-Linux event is unfortunate, especially when the > event is local. > > > Colin. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 30 05:14:14 2010 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 01:14:14 -0400 Subject: Ontario Linux Fest 2010, rest in peace... In-Reply-To: <20100830005909.43132fc5.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100830005909.43132fc5.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <20100830011414.fc388228.tleslie@tcn.net> in listening to the tllts.org podcast the other day, the self has 5-7 organizers. i am getting the impression the ontario didn't have nearly as many? I know from listening to dave "sexy" yates on tllts, he makes it sound like its a huge amount of work for the 5-7 of them. maybe its not to late for others to step in, or get a decent sized group to organize next years. obviously many organizers mean you don't overload any give one, which it sounds like, may have happened here. tl On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 00:59:09 -0400 ted leslie wrote: > odd that an event like this can be canceled by one person? > obviously if the event survived primarily by the one person and no one (or few) can step in, > obviously the event owes itself to this one person, and it is what it is. > I am surprised there isn't people to pick it up, especially if the attendees, speakers and sponsors > are "not" the reason. > > " this year we, or rather I, was not up to the task. " > may there be more to this story? > > reminds me of centos incident from a year or two ago. > > tl > > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 00:48:00 -0400 > Colin McGregor wrote: > > > Just to note, there is a posting on the Ontario Linux Fest site that > > the 2010 event has been canceled. Details to be seen here: > > > > http://onlinux.ca/ > > > > The loss of any pro-Linux event is unfortunate, especially when the > > event is local. > > > > > > Colin. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- > ted leslie > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 30 07:23:06 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 03:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Ontario Linux Fest 2010, rest in peace... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Colin McGregor | Just to note, there is a posting on the Ontario Linux Fest site that | the 2010 event has been canceled. Very sad. They did a remarkable job in past years. I'm sure it took an unimaginable amount of work. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 30 10:45:04 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 06:45:04 -0400 Subject: Ontario Linux Fest 2010, rest in peace... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C7B8BB0.1080502@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > Just to note, there is a posting on the Ontario Linux Fest site that > the 2010 event has been canceled. Details to be seen here: > > http://onlinux.ca/ > > The loss of any pro-Linux event is unfortunate, especially when the > event is local. > > > Colin. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > I had attended all three previous shows. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 30 10:47:41 2010 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:47:41 +0400 Subject: related to a legal Internet problem Message-ID: <4C7B8C4D.5060205@gmail.com> This is a sort of question related to legal Internet problem. No, I do not expect legal advice. I would like to hear your opinion. And this is not directly related to Canada at all. This is a problem with a Polish web site (service). Yes, I may use your opinions, at least before Polish Internet organizations. Once in the past I asked here a question related to services like rapidshare.com or megaupload.com . My question now is related to a Polish site that does the same, pobieraczek.pl Now, when I searched for a something in the past (a book, I guess, but I do not remember exactly, for what) I filled in an online form. I possibly did use their service to download something, but that I can not be certain. According to their interpretation, I am supposed to pay them now for their service. Silly money, not such a big issue really, but the problem is not in money. The problem is in the way how they force people to pay: intimidation, sending many emails with threads (going to the court, citing the law in Poland, regardless how stupid or not it may be). I do not live in Poland now, but I do care for what goes on there with the Internet. And I do somewhat care for people who could be fooled to pay money for nothing. This is the first ever case I find when someone is supposed to pay for an Internet service AFTER receiving the service (and, actually, I am not sure if I did receive any). Any additional explanations needed? I will value all your comments very much. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 30 15:07:39 2010 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: related to a legal Internet problem In-Reply-To: <4C7B8C4D.5060205-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4C7B8C4D.5060205@gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Zbigniew Koziol | This is a sort of question related to legal Internet problem. It is likely that any law that is being applied is not internet-related. Countries generally haven't built a large suite of laws specific to the internet because: - its a lot of work - it should not be needed - it would seem arbitrary to single out a medium in most cases What often happens is that old laws are applied by analogy. Since the analogies are often inexact, there can be a lot of arguing. My guess (note: guess) is that what is happening is based on a mixture of copyright and contract law. Or it is based on made-up stuff (i.e. legal nonsense). I imagine few of us know Polish or EU law which would govern this issue. Most of our intuitions about copyright law are based on US law, not even Canadian. The US has a somewhat peculiar copyright regime. | Now, when I searched for a something in the past (a book, I guess, but I do | not remember exactly, for what) I filled in an online form. I possibly did use | their service to download something, but that I can not be certain. Do you have any idea what that form looked like? Do you think that it could be interpreted as a contract? Does that matter in Polish or EU law? | According to their interpretation, I am supposed to pay them now for their | service. Ask them under what right they are demanding payment. It should be up to them to backstop their claim. Asking should be showing good faith on your part. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 30 16:08:57 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:08:57 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20100830160857.GO2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 03:07:39PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > So tomorrow (Saturday the 27th), NCIX is having a grand opening sale. > > Might be worth checking out. > > Well, I went out on Saturday and came away feeling burned, in more > ways than one... > > There were a few items that looked interesting on their web page, so I > went, it took about 1.5 hours by TTC and Markham transit to get out to > the store. Then it was 3 hours waiting in line to get in the store... > by that time all the specials I was interested in were sold out :-( . > I left the store empty handed :-( . While waiting in the sun of their > parking lot I did develop a bit of a sunburn :-( . During the wait the > staff did hand out some bottled water (small mercy), not so nice was a > pen they gave away that broke on me (at least blue ink on black pants > is not that visible) :-( . The lineup certainly looked insane. > Specials aside NCIX prices seem to be on a par with Tiger Direct, > which is to say lousy compared to the usual College / Spadina > suspects. A saving grace for Tiger Direct is that they carry some > specialty home theater PC products that none of the other computer > shops in town carry. > > The NCIX location is a short distance from Tiger Direct's Markham > store. Going forward, I can see myself continuing to shop at Tiger > Direct, once in a blue moon (but just for some specialty items, and > just at their easier to get to (for me), Etobicoke store). Unless NCIX > either drops their prices, or starts offering specialty items that I > want but can't find elsewhere ... well, I don't see myself returning > to them, ever... Well I know their website carries many things that I can't get elsewhere easily (Canada Computer's used to carry some of them but seem to have stopped). I haven't seen the store yet (I haven't managed to get there yet when there wasn't a stupid lineup). If nothing else, perhaps one can get stuff from their website without paying shipping for it. I stopped by tigerdirect saturday to grab something (since I was going by anyhow) and of course they had nothing useful as usual. They have exapanded the store and made it prettier. Some signs for which isle has what would be helpful though, so that you don't have to search the whole store to find the area that doesn't have the item you want. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 30 16:16:26 2010 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:16:26 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <4C7A55ED.9090201-fLiV7HKGQdk@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C781521.7040900@totaltravelmarketing.com> <20100827202757.GI2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100827203402.GA5110@node1.opengeometry.net> <20100827205506.GJ2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20100828005441.GK2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4C7A55ED.9090201@vif.com> Message-ID: <20100830161626.GP2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 08:43:25AM -0400, vertaxis wrote: > For those of us who didn't go to the new store yet.... > > Is this a full store selling current stock, or is it a clearance > warehouse like the TigerDirect stores? Well unless things like 2TB WD drives are on clearance now, I think it is a full store. That seems to be their claim at least. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 30 17:00:52 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:00:52 -0400 Subject: Ontario Linux Fest 2010, rest in peace... In-Reply-To: <20100830011414.fc388228.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100830005909.43132fc5.tleslie@tcn.net> <20100830011414.fc388228.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:14 AM, ted leslie wrote: > in listening to the tllts.org podcast the other day, the self has 5-7 organizers. > i am getting the impression the ontario didn't have nearly as many? > I know from listening to dave "sexy" yates on tllts, he makes it sound like its a huge amount of work > for the 5-7 of them. > maybe its not to late for others to step in, > or get a decent sized group to organize next years. > obviously many organizers mean you don't overload any give one, > which it sounds like, may have happened here. I always got the impression that OLGF was essentially operated by a set of not more than 2 people, which, as you observe, has a considerable risk of being rather overloading. The trouble with trying to get others to step in is that there's liable to be a bunch of stuff that rests solely on those couple of people, notably contracts for the space. If they've already set up the cancellation (which I'd think *mighty* wise for John et al), then I'd expect it to be problematic for anyone to be able to step up and *start* negotiations for that on any sort of rapid basis. So I'm reasonably certain it's *WAY* too late for others to step in. Throw in that the only way to get this sort of thing done Really Rapidly is for it to be a tiny team so as to minimize communications costs. The best we could get would be to transfer the overload problem to another person. I wouldn't recommend that :-(. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 30 23:06:14 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:06:14 -0400 Subject: Getting Files From Android Phone to Ubuntu Message-ID: <4C7C3966.2020305@rogers.com> OK, my research is taking me down complicated paths. I am seeing DLNA, but no Ubuntu clients. And this is my first smart phone. This task must have already been solved. I am currently on a photo but also will want video. Please point me in the right direction. I have the Samsung Galaxy S Thank you! Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 30 23:15:06 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:15:06 -0700 Subject: Getting Files From Android Phone to Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4C7C3966.2020305@rogers.com> Message-ID: Motorola Milestone, android 2.1, (when plugged into USB) slide open the status bar, and select the usb connection icon. Change the mode from "charge" (or whatever) to storage. I assume it's similar for other android device. On 2010-08-30 4:06 PM, "Stephen" wrote: OK, my research is taking me down complicated paths. I am seeing DLNA, but no Ubuntu clients. And this is my first smart phone. This task must have already been solved. I am currently on a photo but also will want video. Please point me in the right direction. I have the Samsung Galaxy S Thank you! Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 30 23:52:30 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:52:30 -0400 Subject: Getting Files From Android Phone to Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4C7C3966.2020305@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C7C443E.5030300@rogers.com> I changed the USB status and now my phone is directing me to the Samsung Windows software called Kies. I have that installed on my Windows laptop, and I see icons that cover all sorts of things including photos and video. But I am without a Linux (Ubuntu) solution. Stephen On 10-08-30 07:15 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > > Motorola Milestone, android 2.1, (when plugged into USB) slide open > the status bar, and select the usb connection icon. Change the mode > from "charge" (or whatever) to storage. I assume it's similar for > other android device. > >> On 2010-08-30 4:06 PM, "Stephen" > > wrote: >> >> OK, my research is taking me down complicated paths. I am seeing >> DLNA, but no Ubuntu clients. >> >> And this is my first smart phone. >> >> This task must have already been solved. >> >> I am currently on a photo but also will want video. >> >> Please point me in the right direction. >> >> I have the Samsung Galaxy S >> >> Thank you! >> >> Stephen >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am seeing DLNA, but > no Ubuntu clients. > > And this is my first smart phone. > > This task must have already been solved. > > I am currently on a photo but also will want video. > > Please point me in the right direction. > > I have the Samsung Galaxy S > > Thank you! > > Stephen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- Dave Germiquet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 31 00:47:07 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:47:07 -0400 Subject: CRTC hands victory to smaller Internet providers Message-ID: Some good news for once? Quote: "Resale data speeds will now be dialed up to about 15 to 16 megabits per second from between 4 to 5 Mbps in many cases, Andrew Day, chief operating officer at Primus said. http://tinyurl.com/333snwq -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 31 01:08:21 2010 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:08:21 -0400 Subject: NCIX grand opening sale In-Reply-To: <20100830160857.GO2633-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20100827190038.GH2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca>, , <20100830160857.GO2633@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4C7C1DC5.6245.1CCF5E4C@sciguy.vex.net> On 30 Aug 2010 at 12:08, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I stopped by tigerdirect saturday to grab something (since I was going > by anyhow) and of course they had nothing useful as usual. They have > exapanded the store and made it prettier. Some signs for which isle > has what would be helpful though, so that you don't have to search the > whole store to find the area that doesn't have the item you want. > out of fairness to TD, the aisles in their store in Burlington (closest to me) has signs over the aisles. I think the one in Etobicoke has them also. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 31 02:52:42 2010 From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:52:42 -0400 Subject: Ontario Linux Fest 2010, rest in peace... In-Reply-To: <20100830005909.43132fc5.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20100830005909.43132fc5.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:59 AM, ted leslie wrote: > " this year we, or rather I, was not up to the task. ?" > may there be more to this story? Hi Ted, Don't go looking for zebras when you hear hoofbeats. It's just a horse. :) John is generously taking responsibility publicly but the decision and responsibility belongs to the OGLF team as a group. "We"a culpa. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 31 03:17:27 2010 From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:17:27 -0400 Subject: related to a legal Internet problem In-Reply-To: References: <4C7B8C4D.5060205@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Zbigniew Koziol > > | This is a sort of question related to legal Internet problem. [ ... ] > | According to their interpretation, I am supposed to pay them now for their > | service. > > Ask them under what right they are demanding payment. ?It should be up > to them to backstop their claim. ?Asking should be showing good faith > on your part. In Canada, we have Phonebusters http://www.phonebusters.com/english/index.html who take reports of online ans telephone scams, and also provide a list of typical scams and how to detect and avoid them. I don't see what was described above in their list. Perhaps OP has a similar resource in his jurisdiction. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 31 03:45:41 2010 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:45:41 -0400 Subject: related to a legal Internet problem In-Reply-To: References: <4C7B8C4D.5060205@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Zbigniew Koziol > > | This is a sort of question related to legal Internet problem. > > It is likely that any law that is being applied is not > internet-related. ?Countries generally haven't built a large suite of > laws specific to the internet because: > > - its a lot of work > > - it should not be needed > > - it would seem arbitrary to single out a medium in most cases > > What often happens is that old laws are applied by analogy. ?Since the > analogies are often inexact, there can be a lot of arguing. Indeed. Any time someone says, "There otta be a law!", I wonder if there isn't something already in place that is not presently being enforced. And further, if the existing law isn't enforced, I wonder in what fantasy world the *new* law would be any more vigorously enforced than the ones being ignored by the authorities. > My guess (note: guess) is that what is happening is based on a mixture > of copyright and contract law. ?Or it is based on made-up stuff (i.e. > legal nonsense). I'd expect "legal nonsense" to go quite a long ways, in such matters. Domestically, there have been rather a lot of things published that are misleading at best. I recall the "Domain Registry of Canada" one... > I imagine few of us know Polish or EU law which would govern this > issue. ?Most of our intuitions about copyright law are based on US > law, not even Canadian. ?The US has a somewhat peculiar copyright > regime. They might want to Mirandize you :-). (Which is something unique to US *criminal* law!) > | Now, when I searched for a something in the past (a book, I guess, but I do > | not remember exactly, for what) I filled in an online form. I possibly did use > | their service to download something, but that I can not be certain. > > Do you have any idea what that form looked like? ?Do you think that it > could be interpreted as a contract? ?Does that matter in Polish or EU > law? > > | According to their interpretation, I am supposed to pay them now for their > | service. > > Ask them under what right they are demanding payment. ?It should be up > to them to backstop their claim. ?Asking should be showing good faith > on your part. Demanding specific evidence seems like a fine idea. Were it to be a real transaction, they should surely be able to document the details of it. But it might well be a scam where the perpetrator is trying to scare or confuse people into paying. They can make money even at rather low success rates. The one I find regularly hilarious is the "Who's Who Registry" thing that gets sent out to GTALUG a couple times per year. Apparently it's a result of our having exhibited at IT360, once upon a time. They invite us to register for their "Who's Who of I.T. registry," where the fine print indicates the "low, low price" of about $1600 USD. ($1587 seems familiar.) Adding to amusement is that it could be "$1587 USD, or the equivalent in Mexican Pesos." They're clearly hoping that someone in the bureaucracy won't read closely, and will send back a "request for subscription," at which point they can start sending out nasty collection notices. There's a similar well-known one where fraudsters send out "invoices" that look a lot like phone company "Yellow Pages" bills and/or applications. I would be entirely unsurprised if the situation Zbigniew describes is similar to these sorts of deceptions. For many of these kinds of deceptions, responding to the claim is a big mistake, as it draws their attention. Drawing the attention of scoundrels that are out to deceive is never a good direction to take. The best idea I can think of, if one *does* wish to respond to such, is to respond with as little information as possible, and request proper documentation of the services claimed to have been rendered. If they're for real, then they should be able to document things quite well. If they fabricate responses, that's a pretty good indication of their lack of good intentions. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 31 13:50:40 2010 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Ontario Linux Fest 2010, rest in peace... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Colin McGregor wrote: > Just to note, there is a posting on the Ontario Linux Fest site that > the 2010 event has been canceled. Details to be seen here: > > http://onlinux.ca/ > > The loss of any pro-Linux event is unfortunate, especially when the > event is local. Disappointing as I'd been out of the country for all previous shows and had finally intended to go to OLF. If the problem was resouring (human labour[1]) was there any attempt to reach out and recruiter others? I didn't see anything posted on any of the Canadian LUG lists I'm on. [1] Tangentially I'd like to point out that I object to the term "human resources" as the resource is human labour not the human themself. I'd be fine with "human labour resources". Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Contributing member of Software in the Public Interest (http://spi-inc.org/) Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 31 15:37:19 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:37:19 -0400 Subject: Getting Files From Android Phone to Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4C7C3966.2020305-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C7C3966.2020305@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C7D21AF.8050005@rogers.com> Stephen wrote: > OK, my research is taking me down complicated paths. I am seeing DLNA, > but no Ubuntu clients. > > And this is my first smart phone. > > This task must have already been solved. > > I am currently on a photo but also will want video. > > Please point me in the right direction. > > I have the Samsung Galaxy S > When you connect via USB, there should be a message asking if you want to connect. Once you have enabled it, a folder should open on your desktop, showing the SD card contents. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 31 15:40:55 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:40:55 -0400 Subject: Getting Files From Android Phone to Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4C7D21AF.8050005-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C7C3966.2020305@rogers.com> <4C7D21AF.8050005@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C7D2287.9040806@rogers.com> On 10-08-31 11:37 AM, James Knott wrote: > Stephen wrote: >> OK, my research is taking me down complicated paths. I am seeing >> DLNA, but no Ubuntu clients. >> >> And this is my first smart phone. >> >> This task must have already been solved. >> >> I am currently on a photo but also will want video. >> >> Please point me in the right direction. >> >> I have the Samsung Galaxy S >> > When you connect via USB, there should be a message asking if you want > to connect. Once you have enabled it, a folder should open on your > desktop, showing the SD card contents. > > I just got it working thanks to Mr Google and a few trail blazing Geeks in web land. There were a couple of extra steps. All is great now :) Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 31 15:58:55 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:58:55 -0400 Subject: Getting Files From Android Phone to Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4C7D2287.9040806-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C7C3966.2020305@rogers.com> <4C7D21AF.8050005@rogers.com> <4C7D2287.9040806@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C7D26BF.7070701@rogers.com> Stephen wrote: > There were a couple of extra steps. What extra steps? Other than allowing a USB connection, it's exactly the same as plugging in a USB drive. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 31 17:12:36 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:12:36 -0400 Subject: Getting Files From Android Phone to Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4C7D26BF.7070701-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C7C3966.2020305@rogers.com> <4C7D21AF.8050005@rogers.com> <4C7D2287.9040806@rogers.com> <4C7D26BF.7070701@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C7D3804.6090003@rogers.com> On 10-08-31 11:58 AM, James Knott wrote: > Stephen wrote: >> There were a couple of extra steps. > What extra steps? Other than allowing a USB connection, it's exactly > the same as plugging in a USB drive. > Here is what I followed: 1) On the phone, go to Settings->Applications->USB Settings and select the "Mass Storage" Options. 2) Go back to Settings->Applications->Development and select "Stay Awake" 3) Plug in your USB cable to the phone and computer. The phone will say "USB Connected in the status bar at the top, and a USB symbol will appear. 4) Drag down the notification bar from the top and hit the "USB Connected: Select to copy files to/from your computer" 5) You get a new window with "USB Connected: You have connected your phone to your Computer via USB. Select "Mount" if you want to copy files between your computer and your phone's SD card." Select MOUNT. 6) Your notification applet on your computer will squawk about TWO new drives being attached. There will be a little one, and a big one. Mount the bigger of the two. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 31 17:18:38 2010 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:18:38 -0400 Subject: CRTC hands victory to smaller Internet providers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Any word on when we will see these speed increases? > Some good news for once? > > Quote: > > "Resale data speeds will now be dialed up to about 15 to 16 megabits > per second from between 4 to 5 Mbps in many cases, Andrew Day, chief > operating officer at Primus said. > > http://tinyurl.com/333snwq > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 31 17:31:50 2010 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:31:50 -0700 Subject: CRTC hands victory to smaller Internet providers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Still doesn't prevent throttling of traffic that they "don't like", though On 2010-08-30 5:47 PM, "Thomas Milne" wrote: Some good news for once? Quote: "Resale data speeds will now be dialed up to about 15 to 16 megabits per second from between 4 to 5 Mbps in many cases, Andrew Day, chief operating officer at Primus said. http://tinyurl.com/333snwq -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 31 17:46:17 2010 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:46:17 -0400 Subject: Getting Files From Android Phone to Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4C7D3804.6090003-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C7C3966.2020305@rogers.com> <4C7D21AF.8050005@rogers.com> <4C7D2287.9040806@rogers.com> <4C7D26BF.7070701@rogers.com> <4C7D3804.6090003@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C7D3FE9.5090405@rogers.com> Stephen wrote: > 1) On the phone, go to Settings->Applications->USB Settings and select > the "Mass Storage" Options. > 2) Go back to Settings->Applications->Development and select "Stay Awake" I don't even have 1) on my Nexus One and haven't had to bother with 2). It just works. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 31 17:57:16 2010 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:57:16 -0400 Subject: Getting Files From Android Phone to Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4C7D3FE9.5090405-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4C7C3966.2020305@rogers.com> <4C7D21AF.8050005@rogers.com> <4C7D2287.9040806@rogers.com> <4C7D26BF.7070701@rogers.com> <4C7D3804.6090003@rogers.com> <4C7D3FE9.5090405@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4C7D427C.5050904@rogers.com> On 10-08-31 01:46 PM, James Knott wrote: > Stephen wrote: >> 1) On the phone, go to Settings->Applications->USB Settings and >> select the "Mass Storage" Options. >> 2) Go back to Settings->Applications->Development and select "Stay >> Awake" > I don't even have 1) on my Nexus One and haven't had to bother with > 2). It just works. > I have a Bell discounted Galaxy. Bell and Microsoft are kissy face with each other. I suspect Bell has phones they sell configured to work much more easily with Windows. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 31 18:38:15 2010 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:38:15 -0400 Subject: CRTC hands victory to smaller Internet providers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Teksavvy has already dealt with that. They allow MLPPP, which defeats shaping. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Still doesn't prevent throttling of traffic that they "don't like", though > > On 2010-08-30 5:47 PM, "Thomas Milne" > wrote: > > Some good news for once? > > Quote: > > "Resale data speeds will now be dialed up to about 15 to 16 megabits > per second from between 4 to 5 Mbps in many cases, Andrew Day, chief > operating officer at Primus said. > > http://tinyurl.com/333snwq > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 31 21:39:01 2010 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:39:01 -0400 Subject: Samsung laptops? Message-ID: Hi all, I figured that back-to-school days are probably the best time of year to get a conventional consumer laptop. I generally consider most of them to be commodities; with a few exceptions, most brands feature both gems and turds. I've seen good and bad from HP, Dell and Toshiba. The exceptions are that I've never seen a bad Lenovo or good Acer. Anyway, this laptop is for shared use so Lauren and I went around the stores. She prefers the feel, balance and touchpad of the Samsung models we saw at Future Shop (not many other sources for that brand...). The unit seems OK and was well rated by Consumer Reports. But such reviews only go so far. When I was netbook shopping more than a year ago I considered the Samsung ones but eventually decided on Asus because of all the cool EeePC-specific stuff for Linux. So now I'm back considering Samsung, Does anyone here have experiences with Samsung laptops? Is their laptop support in Canada OK? The hardware all looks vanilla enough to make an Ubuntu dual-boot easy enough, does anyone here have experiences otherwise? Thanks! - Evan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 31 21:58:47 2010 From: mccuddendan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dan McCudden) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:58:47 -0400 Subject: Samsung laptops? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6354803033585578217@unknownmsgid> Based on what I've seen Samsung is a safe bet. The display will be gorgeous, displays are Samsung's strong point. The rest of the device will be quite sound too, nothing that will overturn the government and herald a new age of peace and prosperity but it will do it's job and do it well. On 2010-08-31, at 5:39 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Hi all, > > I figured that back-to-school days are probably the best time of year to get a conventional consumer laptop. I generally consider most of them to be commodities; with a few exceptions, most brands feature both gems and turds. I've seen good and bad from HP, Dell and Toshiba. The exceptions are that I've never seen a bad Lenovo or good Acer. > > Anyway, this laptop is for shared use so Lauren and I went around the stores. She prefers the feel, balance and touchpad of the Samsung models we saw at Future Shop (not many other sources for that brand...). The unit seems OK and was well rated by Consumer Reports. But such reviews only go so far. When I was netbook shopping more than a year ago I considered the Samsung ones but eventually decided on Asus because of all the cool EeePC-specific stuff for Linux. > > So now I'm back considering Samsung, Does anyone here have experiences with Samsung laptops? Is their laptop support in Canada OK? The hardware all looks vanilla enough to make an Ubuntu dual-boot easy enough, does anyone here have experiences otherwise? > > Thanks! > > - Evan > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slackrat-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 31 22:28:27 2010 From: slackrat-GANU6spQydw at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:28:27 -0400 Subject: [For Sale] Thompson SpeedTouch DSL Modem Message-ID: <85mxs25sdw.fsf@darkstar1.azurservers.com> Connects fine with TekSavvy Hardly used No reasonable offer refused 416-709-3161 -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists