From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 00:59:07 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:59:07 -0500 Subject: desktop capture In-Reply-To: References: <4B106715.9030504@gmail.com> <20091130170717.GE761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B146A5B.9010400@gmail.com> Thomas Milne wrote: > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Lennart Sorensen >> wrote: >>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 06:56:05PM -0500, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >>>> Is there a solid desktop capture app for Linux, the open source one I >>>> found are pretty crap, some don't work, one of them had ugly artifacts. >>> Capture what? >>> >>> For images I like ksnapshot. Works rather well I find. >> I like ksnapshot, I think it's cool, however I wanted to capture >> video, like a screen cast =) >> >> http://media.rubyonrails.org/video/rails_blog_2.mov > > Hey, that turned out pretty good. > > It looks like you're working on a Mac... Thomas, Oppss that's not me! I forgot to add that I am trying to do something like the linked screen-cast. It looks like all the cool screen cast are done using a Mac? I came across a screen-cast (once) and it looked like it was done on Linux....ha! Actually since we last talked, I got better at producing my own screen captures, the quality is very nice, but you do notice some aliasing if you're trying to capture 1600x1200, goes away if you zoom in on a smaller window or area. I found using xwininfo to get the geometry helps, but you still need to adjust the values. It seems ffmpeg clips the input window and it likes value as multiple of 2. I am not looking for a good video editor: Live, Kino and Cinelerra, KDEnlive look like good possibilities. Do you know of any others? I want to be able to insert separate audio tracks easily to do voice overs. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 01:34:58 2009 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:34:58 -0500 Subject: Linux-compatable printer that won't gouge me on ink? In-Reply-To: <20091128183633.GA18942-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20091128183633.GA18942@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20091201013458.GA24808@waltdnes.org> As sort of a redux, Samsung appears to be the one with the fewest horror stories, and the best linux compatability. I'll probably be picking one up on the weekend. I'm out of town the next 3 days for work-related meetings, so I won't be reading the list or answering it till Thursday evening. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 01:35:49 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:35:49 -0500 Subject: Interesting one day sale by sony. In-Reply-To: <20091130231208.GJ761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20091130231208.GJ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B1472F5.70200@moores.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Sounds like a neat deal though. Oh well I don't need a small laptop, > my 15.4" thinkpad is just fine. > Heh, 15.4 eh? I've got an extra 4.6" on you with a full 20" laptop. Well, it weighs in at a monstrous 17 pounds so I guess it is more of a lap-breaker than a laptop. I'm in the market for a small 10" or so machine for those places where my behemoth is a little too big. If you see any good deals on those please let the list know. cheers, darryl -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 01:57:33 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:57:33 -0500 Subject: desktop capture In-Reply-To: References: <4B106715.9030504@gmail.com>,<20091130170717.GE761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca>, Message-ID: <4B14780D.3090602@gmail.com> john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:10:23 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: desktop capture >> From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> >> I like ksnapshot, I think it's cool, however I wanted to capture >> video, like a screen cast =) >> >> http://media.rubyonrails.org/video/rails_blog_2.mov >> > That was interesting. What did you end up using to do the capturing? As I just told Thomas that was not my screen-cast. I am currently using ffmpeg with good results to capture the screen or regions. The only thing is that ffmpeg is command-line, and you have to google info to figure out what parameters work best. It take some trial and error, but I think I got something I can live with. There were some GUI screen capture app I tired, but they sucked, either they hung, gave poor quality or had ugly blocky artifacts suddenly pop up. I ended up building ffmpeg from source, wasn't that hard, took a little effort to download missing dependencies. But if you're on kubuntu/debian, a quick 'aptitude search / install' keeps you rolling along. Only a few codecs I didn't find so I just removed them from my configure param. To give you an idea about quality, here is a (video only) sample of what I was able to create http://devmentor.org/ruby/play.html I need to figure out how to make the mp4 file stream while it downloading, right now you have to wait for it to complete downloading before you can watch it! -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 01:59:12 2009 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:59:12 -0500 Subject: desktop capture In-Reply-To: <4B146A5B.9010400-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B106715.9030504@gmail.com> <20091130170717.GE761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B146A5B.9010400@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Thomas Milne wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Rajinder Yadav >> wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Lennart Sorensen >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 06:56:05PM -0500, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is there a solid desktop capture app for Linux, the open source one I >>>>> found are pretty crap, some don't work, one of them had ugly artifacts. >>>> >>>> Capture what? >>>> >>>> For images I like ksnapshot. ?Works rather well I find. >>> >>> I like ksnapshot, I think it's cool, however I wanted to capture >>> video, like a screen cast =) >>> >>> http://media.rubyonrails.org/video/rails_blog_2.mov >> >> Hey, that turned out pretty good. >> >> It looks like you're working on a Mac... > > Thomas, Oppss that's not me! I forgot to add that I am trying to do > something like the linked screen-cast. It looks like all the cool screen > cast are done using a Mac? I came across a screen-cast (once) and it looked > like it was done on Linux....ha! > > Actually since we last talked, I got better at producing my own screen > captures, the quality is very nice, but you do notice some aliasing if > you're trying to capture 1600x1200, goes away if you zoom in on a smaller > window or area. > > I found using xwininfo to get the geometry helps, but you still need to > adjust the values. It seems ffmpeg clips the input window and it likes value > as multiple of 2. > > I am not looking for a good video editor: Live, Kino and Cinelerra, KDEnlive > look like good possibilities. ?Do you know of any others? I want to be able > to insert separate audio tracks easily to do voice overs. I've always found Avidemux very easy to use for editing, I'm not sure how/if it lets you dub in your own audio. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 04:31:26 2009 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:31:26 +0000 Subject: desktop capture In-Reply-To: <4B14780D.3090602-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B106715.9030504@gmail.com>,<20091130170717.GE761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca>, ,<4B14780D.3090602@gmail.com> Message-ID: ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:57:33 -0500 > From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: desktop capture > > > To give you an idea about quality, here is a (video only) sample of what > I was able to create > > http://devmentor.org/ruby/play.html > > I need to figure out how to make the mp4 file stream while it > downloading, right now you have to wait for it to complete downloading > before you can watch it! > > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav I couldn't get the plugin to run the above on my firefox 3.0.1. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jvetterli-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 05:55:57 2009 From: jvetterli-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (jvetterli-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:55:57 -0500 Subject: Longshot; Conditional '/etc/hosts' depending on an iface's subnet? In-Reply-To: References: <4B142B6A.4040907@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 04:16:26PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: > > ?I really doubt this is possible, but is there a way to have entries in > > '/etc/hosts' return an IP depending on what a given interface's subnet is? > > ?The reason I ask is that when I am at work, I want a given name to resolve > > the internal IP, but when I am out I need it to resolve to it's external IP. > > I know I could do this with an internal DNS, but I am hoping there might be > > an easier way to do it. Currently I just use two different names. > 1. Two different names works... > 2. Creating custom DNS behaviour could presumably work... > 3. Is it conceivable that you might be able to use aliasing in > whatever service you're using? > ... How about a script that read, modifies, and rewrites your hosts file? JV -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 07:09:58 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:09:58 -0500 Subject: desktop capture In-Reply-To: References: <4B106715.9030504@gmail.com>,<20091130170717.GE761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca>, ,<4B14780D.3090602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B14C146.4020907@gmail.com> john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:57:33 -0500 >> From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: desktop capture >> > >> To give you an idea about quality, here is a (video only) sample of what >> I was able to create >> >> http://devmentor.org/ruby/play.html >> >> I need to figure out how to make the mp4 file stream while it >> downloading, right now you have to wait for it to complete downloading >> before you can watch it! > > I couldn't get the plugin to run the above on my firefox 3.0.1. John, thanks for letting me know. it's a mpeg4 video file, quicktime or an equivalent codec shoud be able to play it. I've got the following plugin for my ff on kubuntu gecko-mediaplayer 0.94 - plugin for QuickTime, RealPlayer and Windows Media Player you can download the mp4 file and view it on your mpeg4 player, I'll try to upload another format flv (flash video) when I did the conversion from mpeg4 -> flv using ffmpeg the image got a bit hazy. Let me see what happen if I try to capture straight to flv? still trying to figure this out. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-r35aSzp7v8jQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 08:36:57 2009 From: daniel-r35aSzp7v8jQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:36:57 -0500 Subject: preview video while ffmpeg is recording In-Reply-To: <712ca2da0911301519r507a3133t50065d0b0962eabe-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B134D57.3090805@ican.net> <712ca2da0911301519r507a3133t50065d0b0962eabe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > mplayer might work better than vlc for your buffering issues[1]. > There's even options to control the buffer size if you need to. > > I would suggest Alsa or PulseAudio instead of OSS (I've always had > issues with OSS, esp crackling/etc in audio at times), but it looks > like ffmpeg might not support Alsa.[2] > > My suggestion would be to try mencoder for recording from your webcam. > There are some suggestions here[3] under the iSight section for using > mencoder. ffmpeg or gstreamer (thought only the gstreamer suggestion > has a preview). There are also some webcam suggestions here[4]. > > You could probably just do what you are doing but with mencoder and > pipe it through tee to mplayer. Mplayer might have a better handle on > the video if you *don't* use an avi file (since it won't be indexed) > but it should play it fine nonetheless. You might want to tell > mplayer/vlc *not* to play back audio though (lest you end up with a > feedback loop or just an annoying replay of all the sounds you hear). > > [1] http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2002-May/015919.html > [2] http://old.nabble.com/Capture-audio-from-alsa-td15819836.html > [3] http://www.odi.ch/prog/macbookpro/index.php > [4] http://leese.info/projekte/webcam.htm Hi Brandon... Thanks for the suggestions and links! Using mplayer with buffering did the trick... It works! My one-liner: ffmpeg -f oss -i /dev/dsp -f video4linux2 -qscale 1 -r 30 -s 320x240 -i /dev/video0 -f avi - | tee output.avi | mplayer -cache 1024 -nosound - ... records audio and video from my netbook's webcam, generates a preview window, and saves the output to a video file. Yes! There are a few other features I want to put in my shell script and - besides my netbook camera - I picked up a Sony PS3 Eye webcam that I want to start investigating. I will post back my results. That preview window thing was a bit of a roadblock... Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction! -- Daniel Armstrong http://wooush.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 13:50:03 2009 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:50:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OT] Free PowerMac 7100/80AV + spare (extra) parts + documentation Message-ID: Hi all, Well, I am moving to Edmonton Friday and decide not to bring my old Mac. I was keeping it thinking that I will install Linux in it, but now I don't think I will have time to do it (I have other machines to play with), plus installing Linux in Nubus PowerMac has its quirks. So, if you can definitely stop by my place NE of 16th Ave & Hwy 48 (Main Rd Markham) and take it by Thursday afternoon, please shout your e-mail to contact-confirmA9IABVd97x1dFGsi-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org You can drop my name in Google map to find my place: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=S+P+Arif+Sahari+Wibowo It is the PowerMac 7100/80AV (with S-Video and video RCA input & output), RJ45 Ethernet adaptor, Geoport (modem) adaptor, VGA port (mini D15) adaptor, keyboard, mouse, original disk and documentation; extra 2GB drive was added to the original 700MB. Plus some spare parts I acquire from other machine (a 7200 or 7600) - while it has different bus architecture (PCI instead of Nubus) these one does not use is: extra power supply, CD ROM, floppy, and even the whole motherboard + video card. Let me know ASAP at contact-confirmA9IABVd97x1dFGsi-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thanks! -- ____ ____ ____ ____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo /___ /___/ /___/ /___ http://www.arifsaha.com/ ____/ / / / ____/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 14:03:16 2009 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:03:16 -0500 Subject: desktop capture In-Reply-To: References: <4B106715.9030504@gmail.com> <20091130170717.GE761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B14780D.3090602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280912010603p15c244ebg705fb458a6c042fa@mail.gmail.com> 2009/11/30 : > > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:57:33 -0500 >> From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: desktop capture >> > >> >> To give you an idea about quality, here is a (video only) sample of what >> I was able to create >> >> http://devmentor.org/ruby/play.html >> >> I need to figure out how to make the mp4 file stream while it >> downloading, right now you have to wait for it to complete downloading >> before you can watch it! >> >> >> -- >> Kind Regards, >> Rajinder Yadav > > I couldn't get the plugin to run the above on my firefox 3.0.1. Like John, the video wouldn't show in my firefox/iceweasel. However, I downloaded the video and the quality is quite good. But at 2.8MB for 43 seconds, you may have to deal with some haziness because it should to be compressed more to make it a more palatable download. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 14:16:25 2009 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:16:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OT] Free PowerMac 7100/80AV + spare (extra) parts + documentation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > Plus some spare parts I acquire from other machine (a 7200 or > 7600) - while it has different bus architecture (PCI instead > of Nubus) these one does not use is: extra power supply, CD > ROM, floppy, and even the whole motherboard + video card. Ooops, I meant "these parts do not use it". > Let me know ASAP at contact-confirmA9IABVd97x1dFGsi-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org > Thanks! -- ____ ____ ____ ____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo /___ /___/ /___/ /___ http://www.arifsaha.com/ ____/ / / / ____/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 14:25:21 2009 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:25:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Scanners and Linux In-Reply-To: <1f13df280912010603p15c244ebg705fb458a6c042fa-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912010603p15c244ebg705fb458a6c042fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488488.95892.qm@web88101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have a multi function Canon MX320. I run Ubuntu 9.10. I donwloaded the drivers from Canon's web site. There were two debian package files, one for printing and one for scanning. I installed both packages. Printing works. Scanning does not. xSANE does not see the device. When I print, I see two entries in the printer dialog. One is for the MX320 as printer, and one for the MX320 as scanner. The printer line is connected, and I use it successfuly. The scanner line is marked as not connected. I found this discussused in formums using Google, but I am a little reluctant to start following suggested steps because I installed a package I would think takes care of all the setup. So I am asking the experts here for advise before I break something :) Thanks Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 14:41:39 2009 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:41:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: new open source digital asset management Message-ID: disclaimer: my good friend cheryl is the CMO of the company. http://www.nuxeo.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/QuickStart_DAM rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 16:11:12 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:11:12 -0500 Subject: Interesting one day sale by sony. In-Reply-To: <4B1472F5.70200-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20091130231208.GJ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1472F5.70200@moores.ca> Message-ID: <20091201161112.GK761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 08:35:49PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: > Heh, 15.4 eh? > > I've got an extra 4.6" on you with a full 20" laptop. Well, it weighs in > at a monstrous 17 pounds so I guess it is more of a lap-breaker than a > laptop. > > I'm in the market for a small 10" or so machine for those places where > my behemoth is a little too big. If you see any good deals on those > please let the list know. Well my wife likes her EeePC 1008HA. Fits nicely in her purse. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 16:13:50 2009 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:13:50 -0500 Subject: Virtual secondary screen on another screen In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef0911300750n74c672fcub761e762a0b6cd9c@mail.gmail.com> <5390d2750911300759s3362aff2gcb3f0a5ee833938e@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280911300821v18b2371dxce72de2c82ea1eeb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1540BE.2050702@ss.org> On 11/30/2009 11:51 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Giles Orr wrote: > >> 2009/11/30 Jon VanAlten: >> > (reduced) > > >> All this to say I appreciate hints like this on this list - it makes >> me think about the possibilities. For example, Daniel's explorations >> into ffmpeg and webcams is going to be really useful to me very >> shortly. In this case I already knew about x2vnc and synergy, but I >> bet someone's going to be pleased to read about them. >> > I have to agree with Giles, it's nice to ping people what you're doing > because it might help spark ideas and interest. I just started playing > with ffmpeg after Thomas suggest that I look at ffmpeg, and I just > read what Daniel's doing with ffmpeg and I said WOW, that's really > cool. > The source forge project for Synergy has been abandoned by it's maintainer. Another group has taken it up as: http://code.google.com/p/synergy-plus/ I've personally been using Synergy for many years, using it right now actually. I have a three screens, two on the main workstation and then a Third connected to a really old IBM think pad that I only run my IM client on. It was a great way to reclaim hardware for a dedicated purpose while making it feel integrated with my main workstation. P.S. Also Synergy has two real advantages, multi-OS (Windows and OSX) and ClipBoard Syncing between all machines. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 16:18:36 2009 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:18:36 -0800 Subject: Interesting one day sale by sony. In-Reply-To: <4B1472F5.70200-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20091130231208.GJ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1472F5.70200@moores.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0912010818q7c183811sbd29123b71f8adeb@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Darryl Moore wrote: > > > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >> Sounds like a neat deal though. ?Oh well I don't need a small laptop, >> my 15.4" thinkpad is just fine. >> > > Heh, 15.4 eh? > > I've got an extra 4.6" on you with a full 20" laptop. Well, it weighs in > at a monstrous 17 pounds so I guess it is more of a lap-breaker than a > laptop. > > I'm in the market for a small 10" or so machine for those places where > my behemoth is a little too big. If you see any good deals on those > please let the list know. > > cheers, > darryl > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Is there actually an official naming scheme? I've somewhat thought of it as: * 12" or under: Notebook/netbook * 12-17" : laptop * over 17" : "mobile desktop" It seems to me that this Sony "on sale" is still more than comparable PC's of other brands, and especially more at the regular price. The last few Sony's I seem have definitely been anything but rugged/reliable as well, though some of the older (Pentium II) era mini-notebooks were pretty good. Most of the people I know who still buy Sony's are generally overseas students who have some attachment to the brand name. Certainly this is a good deal compared to the regular price, but how do Sony's these days compare to similar machines of other brands? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 16:25:05 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:25:05 -0500 Subject: Interesting one day sale by sony. In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0912010818q7c183811sbd29123b71f8adeb-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20091130231208.GJ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1472F5.70200@moores.ca> <3a97ef0912010818q7c183811sbd29123b71f8adeb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091201162505.GL761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 08:18:36AM -0800, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Is there actually an official naming scheme? I've somewhat thought of it as: > > * 12" or under: Notebook/netbook > * 12-17" : laptop > * over 17" : "mobile desktop" No there isn't. After all the early portables had maybe 6 or 7" screen, and were certainly nothing more than mobile desktops at best. Lots of laptops used to be under 12". They also used to have dualscan screens (terrible stuff). > It seems to me that this Sony "on sale" is still more than comparable > PC's of other brands, and especially more at the regular price. The > last few Sony's I seem have definitely been anything but > rugged/reliable as well, though some of the older (Pentium II) era > mini-notebooks were pretty good. Most of the people I know who still > buy Sony's are generally overseas students who have some attachment to > the brand name. Well the carbon fibre (rather than plastic) case doesn't help, and unlike other devices that size, it actually has a real CPU (not a slow poke atom) and twice the ram of a netbook, and it has a DVD-RW drive. So it has more than a netbook, while being almost as small and just as light and probably more durable. I don't think that necesarily makes it worth $1000 and certainly not $1800. Carbon fiber is cool though. > Certainly this is a good deal compared to the regular price, but how > do Sony's these days compare to similar machines of other brands? Don't know. Seen any 11" ultra portable carbon fiber laptops around lately? I haven't. I don't know what to compare it to. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 16:31:41 2009 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:31:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Interesting one day sale by sony. In-Reply-To: <20091201162505.GL761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20091130231208.GJ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1472F5.70200@moores.ca> <3a97ef0912010818q7c183811sbd29123b71f8adeb@mail.gmail.com> <20091201162505.GL761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <708728.96310.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Well the carbon fibre (rather than plastic) case doesn't help, and > unlike other devices that size, it actually has a real CPU (not a slow > poke atom) and twice the ram of a netbook, and it has a DVD-RW drive. > So it has more than a netbook, while being almost as small and just as > light and probably more durable. I don't think that necesarily makes > it worth $1000 and certainly not $1800. Carbon fiber is cool though. > > Certainly this is a good deal compared to the regular price, but how > > do Sony's these days compare to similar machines of other brands? > Don't know. Seen any 11" ultra portable carbon fiber laptops around > lately? I haven't. I don't know what to compare it to. Depends on how strongly you feel about the carbon fibre. I own a similarly configured Acer 12" notebook (yes, with a real CPU, same graphics card, dvd-rw, etc, etc) that I purchased for ~$500. It certainly won't have the materials and build quality that this puppy has, but the hardware is certainly comparable. In other words, I'm with you, not sure this is worth $1000, let alone the original price. -M -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 16:35:36 2009 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:35:36 -0800 Subject: vloopback/effectv(WAS: preview video while ffmpeg is recording) Message-ID: <3a97ef0912010835k1cfa34b6k1969d4b537c805c6@mail.gmail.com> Along the lines of video programs and saving+streaming at the same time, does anyone know anything besides "effectv" for in-stream modification of a video stream. Depending on the kernel, getting a vloopback device created can be something of a PITA, but effecTV can do fun things with webcam streams, for example: webcam -> effectv (altered video) -> vloopback -> some other app It works with programs like Ekiga, and if memory serves me correctly, Skype as well. It should also work therefore with most apps that would be used to save video, in which case you'd also get a preview with effectv (and could use "dumbtv" to see the regular stream and not add effects). Does anyone know of any other cool apps that do fun in-steam modifications similar to effecTV, or other such tricks? - TJA -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 16:41:35 2009 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:41:35 -0500 Subject: Interesting one day sale by sony. In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0912010818q7c183811sbd29123b71f8adeb-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20091130231208.GJ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1472F5.70200@moores.ca> <3a97ef0912010818q7c183811sbd29123b71f8adeb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92ee967a0912010841t1f063de2u9cc29c230ea90385@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: ... ... > Certainly this is a good deal compared to the regular price, but how > do Sony's these days compare to similar machines of other brands? Sony and Toshiba used to be the only names in the game for the sub-10" market in North America. The Libretto and the Sony Viao http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libretto_(notebook) http://www.amazon.com/Sony-PictureBook-Laptop-Crusoe-TM5800/dp/B00006J3JY They were obscenely expensive though. Now that there are netbooks, I don't know why these things exist. To me, a low price tag means that you have a shorter upgrade cycle and consequently better long term reliablility and performance. The term "netbook" has lost all meaning though. It was a good term to describe these things which are so small that they begin to compromise screen resolution or keyboard size. Anything 12" (4:3) and up has a full sized keyboard and full sized display. The Sony is a pretty remarkable subnotebook with a burner. But I don't think a burner is all that important anymore, and given the CPU, I bet the battery life is nowhere near what's advertised. I think it's on special for a reason :-) -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 17:33:11 2009 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:33:11 -0800 Subject: Interesting one day sale by sony. In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0912010841t1f063de2u9cc29c230ea90385-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20091130231208.GJ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1472F5.70200@moores.ca> <3a97ef0912010818q7c183811sbd29123b71f8adeb@mail.gmail.com> <92ee967a0912010841t1f063de2u9cc29c230ea90385@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0912010933h26b2d47yf3b9fc69e266097f@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Mike Kallies wrote: > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > ... > ... >> Certainly this is a good deal compared to the regular price, but how >> do Sony's these days compare to similar machines of other brands? > > Sony and Toshiba used to be the only names in the game for the sub-10" > market in North America. > > The Libretto and the Sony Viao > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libretto_(notebook) > http://www.amazon.com/Sony-PictureBook-Laptop-Crusoe-TM5800/dp/B00006J3JY > > They were obscenely expensive though. > > Now that there are netbooks, I don't know why these things exist. ?To > me, a low price tag means that you have a shorter upgrade cycle and > consequently better long term reliablility and performance. > > The term "netbook" has lost all meaning though. ?It was a good term to > describe these things which are so small that they begin to compromise > screen resolution or keyboard size. ?Anything 12" (4:3) and up has a > full sized keyboard and full sized display. > > The Sony is a pretty remarkable subnotebook with a burner. ?But I > don't think a burner is all that important anymore, and given the CPU, > I bet the battery life is nowhere near what's advertised. > > I think it's on special for a reason :-) > > > -Mike > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Screen resolution is one of the things that seems to be consistently bad on most of the minis. The HP, Asus, and standard dell all seem to have a vertical resolution of no more than 600. The only one that was better was the Dell Mini-10 with the extra "HD" option that has a resolution of 1366x768 (the non-HD model is still only 1024x576). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 19:16:32 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:16:32 -0500 Subject: Virtual secondary screen on another screen In-Reply-To: <4B1540BE.2050702-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0911300750n74c672fcub761e762a0b6cd9c@mail.gmail.com> <5390d2750911300759s3362aff2gcb3f0a5ee833938e@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280911300821v18b2371dxce72de2c82ea1eeb@mail.gmail.com> <4B1540BE.2050702@ss.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Scott Sullivan wrote: > The source forge project for Synergy has been abandoned by it's maintainer. > > Another group has taken it up as: > http://code.google.com/p/synergy-plus/ I hope they get to the point of getting "Synergy-plus" added to Debian & Ubuntu some time soon. The "legacy" version is part of the default repositories. I'm not particularly keen on managing the deployment of binaries; I'd *much* rather use dpkg :-). This pointed me to the need to deploy this on my desktop & laptop at the office. The last time I'd tried it, I had tried to get it to work with MacOS as well, which didn't turn out particularly happily. Today, staying with Linux, turned out fine... What I still need to get working is to have cfengine spawn synergys on my desktop and synergyc on the laptop... Alas, that doesn't seem to be happening quite flawlessly :-(. The overall notion works mighty nicely! It's making my laptop a lot more useful than it was! -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Jonathan Swift - "May you live every day of your life." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/jonathan_swift.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 23:13:47 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:13:47 -0500 Subject: Interesting one day sale by sony. In-Reply-To: <708728.96310.qm-CUv9Uf32FsiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20091130231208.GJ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1472F5.70200@moores.ca> <3a97ef0912010818q7c183811sbd29123b71f8adeb@mail.gmail.com> <20091201162505.GL761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <708728.96310.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20091201231347.GM761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 08:31:41AM -0800, Matthew Godycki wrote: > Depends on how strongly you feel about the carbon fibre. I own a > similarly configured Acer 12" notebook (yes, with a real CPU, same > graphics card, dvd-rw, etc, etc) that I purchased for ~$500. It certainly > won't have the materials and build quality that this puppy has, but the > hardware is certainly comparable. > > In other words, I'm with you, not sure this is worth $1000, let alone the > original price. I have seen what happens over time to the cheap plastic cases. Not sure how carbon fiber holds up. The magnesium cases seem to hold up well on the higher end thinkpads. How much does the acer weigh? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 23:17:29 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:17:29 -0500 Subject: Virtual secondary screen on another screen In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef0911300750n74c672fcub761e762a0b6cd9c@mail.gmail.com> <5390d2750911300759s3362aff2gcb3f0a5ee833938e@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280911300821v18b2371dxce72de2c82ea1eeb@mail.gmail.com> <4B1540BE.2050702@ss.org> Message-ID: <20091201231729.GN761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 02:16:32PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Scott Sullivan wrote: > > The source forge project for Synergy has been abandoned by it's maintainer. > > > > Another group has taken it up as: > > http://code.google.com/p/synergy-plus/ > > I hope they get to the point of getting "Synergy-plus" added to Debian > & Ubuntu some time soon. The "legacy" version is part of the default > repositories. > > I'm not particularly keen on managing the deployment of binaries; I'd > *much* rather use dpkg :-). Well they do have .deb's at that site. That is not a bad start. http://synergy-plus.googlecode.com/files/synergy-plus-1.3.4-Linux-i686.deb or http://synergy-plus.googlecode.com/files/synergy-plus-1.3.4-Linux-x86_64.deb You can install that with dpkg (and more importantly remove it again). > This pointed me to the need to deploy this on my desktop & laptop at > the office. The last time I'd tried it, I had tried to get it to work > with MacOS as well, which didn't turn out particularly happily. > Today, staying with Linux, turned out fine... > > What I still need to get working is to have cfengine spawn synergys on > my desktop and synergyc on the laptop... Alas, that doesn't seem to > be happening quite flawlessly :-(. > > The overall notion works mighty nicely! It's making my laptop a lot > more useful than it was! -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 23:34:27 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:34:27 -0500 Subject: Virtual secondary screen on another screen In-Reply-To: <20091201231729.GN761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0911300750n74c672fcub761e762a0b6cd9c@mail.gmail.com> <5390d2750911300759s3362aff2gcb3f0a5ee833938e@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280911300821v18b2371dxce72de2c82ea1eeb@mail.gmail.com> <4B1540BE.2050702@ss.org> <20091201231729.GN761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 02:16:32PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Scott Sullivan wrote: >> > The source forge project for Synergy has been abandoned by it's maintainer. >> > >> > Another group has taken it up as: >> > http://code.google.com/p/synergy-plus/ >> >> I hope they get to the point of getting "Synergy-plus" added to Debian >> & Ubuntu some time soon. ?The "legacy" version is part of the default >> repositories. >> >> I'm not particularly keen on managing the deployment of binaries; I'd >> *much* rather use dpkg :-). > > Well they do have .deb's at that site. ?That is not a bad start. > > http://synergy-plus.googlecode.com/files/synergy-plus-1.3.4-Linux-i686.deb > or > http://synergy-plus.googlecode.com/files/synergy-plus-1.3.4-Linux-x86_64.deb > > You can install that with dpkg (and more importantly remove it again). Indeed, and I have tried them. >> This pointed me to the need to deploy this on my desktop & laptop at >> the office. ?The last time I'd tried it, I had tried to get it to work >> with MacOS as well, which didn't turn out particularly happily. >> Today, staying with Linux, turned out fine... >> >> What I still need to get working is to have cfengine spawn synergys on >> my desktop and synergyc on the laptop... ?Alas, that doesn't seem to >> be happening quite flawlessly :-(. >> >> The overall notion works mighty nicely! ?It's making my laptop a lot >> more useful than it was! A bit of warning... I'm running into a pretty serious problem which seems to be recorded (for synergy-plus) as problem #9: http://code.google.com/p/synergy-plus/issues/detail?id=9 The nature of the problem is that if I swap mouse back and forth a couple of times between desktops, the secondary screen seems to think I've got [Ctrl] held down. I'm observing it as I type now... I'm typing on my "desktop machine." If I mouse over to the right, the cursor appears on the laptop... And anything I type is treated as if I'm holding [ctrl] down. Entertainingly, I'm seeing this phenomenon with both the elderly "synergy 1.3.1", which is what Debian has, as well as with the downloaded package of "1.3.4" of synergy-plus. Some have reported that pressing all the "meta-ish" keys lets the client get un-deranged. That's not happening for me. :-( -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Samuel Goldwyn - "I'm willing to admit that I may not always be right, but I am never wrong." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/samuel_goldwyn.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 1 23:40:37 2009 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:40:37 -0500 Subject: desktop capture In-Reply-To: <4B106715.9030504-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B106715.9030504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091201184037.17d23402.tleslie@tcn.net> on a related topic, any of these capture program allow capture from one virtual desktop, while allowing visiting to another? i use xvidcap and when i switch virtual desktop, it will either then capture what on the present one, or crash. i suppose it might not be possible? but given compiz shows the other desktops "active" on the spinning cube, etc, you'd like to think there would be some way to capture something running from one virtual desktop while being allowed to switch to another without causing a mess. tl On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:56:05 -0500 Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Is there a solid desktop capture app for Linux, the open source one I > found are pretty crap, some don't work, one of them had ugly artifacts. > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav > > http://DevMentor.org > > Do Good! - Share Freely > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 02:09:17 2009 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:09:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: SpamAssassin Question Message-ID: <625effeca1deb88b7125f3559ae60180.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Hey everyone, Does anybody know if it is necessary to clear the database... sa-learn --clear ...before I run the following to train SpamAssassin's bayesian classifier... sa-learn --spam /home/jason/.maildir/.Spam/cur/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 02:11:09 2009 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:11:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: SpamAssassin Question In-Reply-To: <625effeca1deb88b7125f3559ae60180.squirrel-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg@public.gmane.org> References: <625effeca1deb88b7125f3559ae60180.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: > Hey everyone, > > Does anybody know if it is necessary to clear the database... > > sa-learn --clear > > ...before I run the following to train SpamAssassin's bayesian > classifier... > > sa-learn --spam /home/jason/.maildir/.Spam/cur/ > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > One other question. What happens if I run... sa-learn --spam /home/jason/.maildir/.Spam/cur/ ...without clearing the database? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 08:23:06 2009 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 00:23:06 -0800 Subject: Longshot; Conditional '/etc/hosts' depending on an iface's subnet? In-Reply-To: References: <4B142B6A.4040907@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <712ca2da0912020023s2de21b38k51d921e8051b19cd@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:55 PM, wrote: > > How about a script that read, modifies, and rewrites your hosts file? Or two different hosts files (/etc/hosts.work, /etc/hosts.home) and a symlink to the currently used one (e.g. `ln -s hosts.home /etc/hosts`)? Then maybe a script that can quickly swap them by hand (manually running the script) or automatically (cronjob to evaluate the current network and link to the correct hosts file). -- Brandon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 08:37:16 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:37:16 -0500 Subject: desktop capture In-Reply-To: <1f13df280912010603p15c244ebg705fb458a6c042fa-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B106715.9030504@gmail.com> <20091130170717.GE761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B14780D.3090602@gmail.com> <1f13df280912010603p15c244ebg705fb458a6c042fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16273C.8020509@gmail.com> Giles Orr wrote: > 2009/11/30 : >> ---------------------------------------- >>> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:57:33 -0500 >>> From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >>> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >>> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: desktop capture >>> >> >>> To give you an idea about quality, here is a (video only) sample of what >>> I was able to create >>> >>> http://devmentor.org/ruby/play.html >>> >>> I need to figure out how to make the mp4 file stream while it >>> downloading, right now you have to wait for it to complete downloading >>> before you can watch it! >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kind Regards, >>> Rajinder Yadav >> I couldn't get the plugin to run the above on my firefox 3.0.1. > > Like John, the video wouldn't show in my firefox/iceweasel. However, > I downloaded the video and the quality is quite good. But at 2.8MB > for 43 seconds, you may have to deal with some haziness because it > should to be compressed more to make it a more palatable download. > Hi Giles, thanks for the feedback. The host I am with has a capacity of 10GBPS, so I am thinking this should be more than enough to provide streaming video to a few visitors. Unfortunately I can't seem to find any good video editors that are fully-functioning to produce streaming videos. It looks like this is a job for Windows and proprietary software, so I am shopping around for a video studio for my meetup group. We are planning on providing video content. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 08:45:52 2009 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 00:45:52 -0800 Subject: desktop capture In-Reply-To: <20091201184037.17d23402.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <4B106715.9030504@gmail.com> <20091201184037.17d23402.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <712ca2da0912020045l2e5e5875q1ec371a82982f219@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:40 PM, ted leslie wrote: > i suppose it might not be possible? but given compiz shows the other desktops "active" on the spinning cube, etc, The problem is probably that Compiz uses 'viewports' for virtual desktops and not true separate desktops. Technically it's one large desktop that you are viewing one 1600x1200 (or whatever your resolution) piece at a time. -- Brandon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 08:45:54 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:45:54 -0500 Subject: desktop capture In-Reply-To: <20091201184037.17d23402.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <4B106715.9030504@gmail.com> <20091201184037.17d23402.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <4B162942.4000305@gmail.com> ted leslie wrote: > on a related topic, > any of these capture program allow capture from one virtual desktop, while allowing visiting > to another? i use xvidcap and when i switch virtual desktop, it will either then capture what on the present one, or crash. > i suppose it might not be possible? but given compiz shows the other desktops "active" on the spinning cube, etc, > you'd like to think there would be some way to capture something running from one virtual desktop while being allowed to > switch to another without causing a mess. I haven't looked into this, but you may try to find a way to capture vnc screen output, here is something that came up for me on a quick search: http://people.cs.ubc.ca/~bsd/vncrecording.html > > tl > > On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:56:05 -0500 > Rajinder Yadav wrote: > >> Is there a solid desktop capture app for Linux, the open source one I >> found are pretty crap, some don't work, one of them had ugly artifacts. >> >> -- >> Kind Regards, >> Rajinder Yadav >> >> http://DevMentor.org >> >> Do Good! - Share Freely >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinpdavidson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 15:36:22 2009 From: colinpdavidson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (colin davidson) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:36:22 -0500 Subject: desktop capture In-Reply-To: <4B16273C.8020509-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B106715.9030504@gmail.com> <20091130170717.GE761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B14780D.3090602@gmail.com> <1f13df280912010603p15c244ebg705fb458a6c042fa@mail.gmail.com> <4B16273C.8020509@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Giles Orr wrote: >> >> 2009/11/30 ?: >>> >>> ---------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:57:33 -0500 >>>> From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >>>> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >>>> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: desktop capture >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> To give you an idea about quality, here is a (video only) sample of what >>>> I was able to create >>>> >>>> http://devmentor.org/ruby/play.html >>>> >>>> I need to figure out how to make the mp4 file stream while it >>>> downloading, right now you have to wait for it to complete downloading >>>> before you can watch it! >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> Rajinder Yadav >>> >>> I couldn't get the plugin to run the above on my firefox 3.0.1. >> >> Like John, the video wouldn't show in my firefox/iceweasel. ?However, >> I downloaded the video and the quality is quite good. ?But at 2.8MB >> for 43 seconds, you may have to deal with some haziness because it >> should to be compressed more to make it a more palatable download. >> > > Hi Giles, > > thanks for the feedback. The host I am with has a capacity of 10GBPS, so I > am thinking this should be more than enough to provide streaming video to a > few visitors. Unfortunately I can't seem to find any good video editors that > are fully-functioning to produce streaming videos. > > It looks like this is a job for Windows and proprietary software, so I am > shopping around for a video studio for my meetup group. We are planning on > providing video content. Hi Rajinder, Have you tried Avidemux? I was looking for a video editor that would let me extract clips from .VOB file from DVDs on which I'd recorded output from a video camera. This was the only tool that I could get to do the job and it was easy with Avidemux. (Caveat, it is a Qt tool). Cheers, Colin > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav > > http://DevMentor.org > > Do Good! - Share Freely > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 16:03:55 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:03:55 -0500 Subject: SpamAssassin Question In-Reply-To: <625effeca1deb88b7125f3559ae60180.squirrel-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg@public.gmane.org> References: <625effeca1deb88b7125f3559ae60180.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: <20091202160355.GO761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 09:09:17PM -0500, Jason Carson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Does anybody know if it is necessary to clear the database... > > sa-learn --clear > > ...before I run the following to train SpamAssassin's bayesian classifier... > > sa-learn --spam /home/jason/.maildir/.Spam/cur/ I am sure it is possible. I gave up on spamassassin years ago when I found bogofilter. Way better and much faster. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 16:03:59 2009 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:03:59 -0500 Subject: desktop capture In-Reply-To: References: <4B106715.9030504@gmail.com> <20091130170717.GE761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B14780D.3090602@gmail.com> <1f13df280912010603p15c244ebg705fb458a6c042fa@mail.gmail.com> <4B16273C.8020509@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, colin davidson wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> Giles Orr wrote: >>> >>> 2009/11/30 ?: >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:57:33 -0500 >>>>> From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >>>>> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: desktop capture >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> To give you an idea about quality, here is a (video only) sample of what >>>>> I was able to create >>>>> >>>>> http://devmentor.org/ruby/play.html >>>>> >>>>> I need to figure out how to make the mp4 file stream while it >>>>> downloading, right now you have to wait for it to complete downloading >>>>> before you can watch it! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>> Rajinder Yadav >>>> >>>> I couldn't get the plugin to run the above on my firefox 3.0.1. >>> >>> Like John, the video wouldn't show in my firefox/iceweasel. ?However, >>> I downloaded the video and the quality is quite good. ?But at 2.8MB >>> for 43 seconds, you may have to deal with some haziness because it >>> should to be compressed more to make it a more palatable download. >>> >> >> Hi Giles, >> >> thanks for the feedback. The host I am with has a capacity of 10GBPS, so I >> am thinking this should be more than enough to provide streaming video to a >> few visitors. Unfortunately I can't seem to find any good video editors that >> are fully-functioning to produce streaming videos. >> >> It looks like this is a job for Windows and proprietary software, so I am >> shopping around for a video studio for my meetup group. We are planning on >> providing video content. > > Hi Rajinder, > > Have you tried Avidemux? I was looking for a video editor that would > let me extract clips from .VOB file from DVDs on which I'd recorded > output from a video camera. This was the only tool that I could get to > do the job and it was easy with Avidemux. +1 > (Caveat, it is a Qt tool). > Someone better tell my Avidemux (Gtk) ;) -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinpdavidson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 17:02:49 2009 From: colinpdavidson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (colin davidson) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:02:49 -0500 Subject: desktop capture In-Reply-To: References: <4B106715.9030504@gmail.com> <20091130170717.GE761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B14780D.3090602@gmail.com> <1f13df280912010603p15c244ebg705fb458a6c042fa@mail.gmail.com> <4B16273C.8020509@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Thomas Milne wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, colin davidson > wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >>> Giles Orr wrote: >>>> >>>> 2009/11/30 ?: >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:57:33 -0500 >>>>>> From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >>>>>> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: desktop capture >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To give you an idea about quality, here is a (video only) sample of what >>>>>> I was able to create >>>>>> >>>>>> http://devmentor.org/ruby/play.html >>>>>> >>>>>> I need to figure out how to make the mp4 file stream while it >>>>>> downloading, right now you have to wait for it to complete downloading >>>>>> before you can watch it! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>>> Rajinder Yadav >>>>> >>>>> I couldn't get the plugin to run the above on my firefox 3.0.1. >>>> >>>> Like John, the video wouldn't show in my firefox/iceweasel. ?However, >>>> I downloaded the video and the quality is quite good. ?But at 2.8MB >>>> for 43 seconds, you may have to deal with some haziness because it >>>> should to be compressed more to make it a more palatable download. >>>> >>> >>> Hi Giles, >>> >>> thanks for the feedback. The host I am with has a capacity of 10GBPS, so I >>> am thinking this should be more than enough to provide streaming video to a >>> few visitors. Unfortunately I can't seem to find any good video editors that >>> are fully-functioning to produce streaming videos. >>> >>> It looks like this is a job for Windows and proprietary software, so I am >>> shopping around for a video studio for my meetup group. We are planning on >>> providing video content. >> >> Hi Rajinder, >> >> Have you tried Avidemux? I was looking for a video editor that would >> let me extract clips from .VOB file from DVDs on which I'd recorded >> output from a video camera. This was the only tool that I could get to >> do the job and it was easy with Avidemux. > > +1 > >> (Caveat, it is a Qt tool). >> > > Someone better tell my Avidemux (Gtk) ;) > > -- > TBM > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Well, on my machine it is a Qt tool, but then I'm running KDE, so presumably the package manager manged the ... err ... package correctly... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 18:01:00 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:01:00 -0500 Subject: Longshot; Conditional '/etc/hosts' depending on an iface's subnet? In-Reply-To: <712ca2da0912020023s2de21b38k51d921e8051b19cd-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B142B6A.4040907@alteeve.com> <712ca2da0912020023s2de21b38k51d921e8051b19cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:23 AM, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:55 PM, ? wrote: >> >> How about a script that read, modifies, and rewrites your hosts file? > > Or two different hosts files (/etc/hosts.work, /etc/hosts.home) and a > symlink to the currently used one (e.g. `ln -s hosts.home > /etc/hosts`)? Then maybe a script that can quickly swap them by hand > (manually running the script) or automatically (cronjob to evaluate > the current network and link to the correct hosts file). Or a cfengine stanza... athome:: { /etc/hosts EmptyEntireFilePlease AppendIfNoSuchLine "# This is managed via cfengine; edit in /etc/cfengine/manage-hosts" AppendIfNoSuchLine "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost" AppendIfNoSuchLine "192.168.0.1 workhost1" } athome:: { /etc/hosts EmptyEntireFilePlease AppendIfNoSuchLine "# This is managed via cfengine; edit in /etc/cfengine/manage-hosts" AppendIfNoSuchLine "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost" AppendIfNoSuchLine "192.168.0.1 homehost1" } There's certainly more than one way to skin the cat :-) I'd strongly urge putting a comment into the /etc/hosts candidates to indicate where the REAL data is, and that give some hint as to how to fix things properly, to reduce the level of surprise. If "magic happens" and data magically changes in /etc/hosts, that will come as more of a surprise than if someone decides to edit it and discovers the preface: # /etc/hosts is being managed by my scripts in /var/spool/fiddle-hosts # current contents based on /var/spool/fiddle-hosts/hosts.at.home -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Joan Crawford - "I, Joan Crawford, I believe in the dollar. Everything I earn, I spend." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/joan_crawford.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 18:31:28 2009 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:31:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: case recommendations? and what I bought on Black Friday Message-ID: I need to get a cheap and good enough and quietish ATX case for the bits that I will describe. Do you have any recommendations? Filtech has $32.xx ATX case with power supply. Seemed quite light. They have all kinds of name-brand cases and power supplies for more money. I don't know exactly what the danager-to-your-system (from cheap power supplies) and noise tradeoffs are. techdirect has a bunch of $38.xx cases with power supplies. Not a retailer I trust that much. Canada Computers might be my next stop. I could probably cannibalize one of my old P3 computers for a case. What has your recent experience been with shopping for cases in the GTA? [The rest of this message is intended to be amusing chatter and can safely be ignored.] Why do I need a new case? I succumbed to shopping mania on Black Friday. I bought an ECS A780GM-A motherboard from Newegg.ca for $57.99 plus tax. There is a US$25 rebate so the final cost will be in the order of $40. It has 3 PCI slots (I want more but they are going out of fashion). ECS is not my favourite brand and the board is getting a bit old, but the price seemed pretty good. http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Products/ProductsDetail.aspx?detailid=866&CategoryID=1&DetailName=Specification&MenuID=1&LanID=0 To go with this, I bought a retail box AMD Athlon II X2 240 processor (AM3, 2.8G, 65w) from Tigerdirect for $44.97 plus tax. I found those prices hard to resist. Then I discovered RAM prices had gone up since I last looked. I ended up buying two 1G sticks of DDR2-800 for $36.48 plus tax from buy.com. Interestingly, these sticks are ECC. Unfortunately my MB won't exploit that (I wish my board used an AMD 785 chipset). I could have bought a cheap disk drive and DVD burner but I already had some more expensive ones laying around. So the theme of this machine is to get as many parts from as many different places as cheaply as possible. The parts are OK, if not the best. This machine is going to audition to replace my current MythTV master. The current machine has an Athlon XP 1700+. I don't want to go all-out on a replacement because its lifetime will be limited: if we go HD or digital, the setup becomes obsolete (thanks, Rogers). - noise matters. The machine is left on all the time. The current case is an Antec. If the replacement works, I might switch the new and old systems' cases - the old system has 5 PCI slots, each with a tuner. The new one only has three slots. We have used all 5 tuners at once, but not that often. I don't know how often we use 4 at once. - the old system has lots of IDE ports. They have seemed to be cranky sometimes. I was considering removing one tuner in order to add a SATA controller: SATA drives are bigger and cheaper. The new system has lots of SATA. - the new CPU is faster: twice the clock rate, twice the cores, twice the wordsize. I don't know how much Myth exploits two cores. The wordsize probably matters very little. Likely only the doubling of the clock rate makes an important difference. The per core cache size is quadrupled too. I first put the old box together seven years ago (not for Myth). In a similar spirit. It is surprising how modest the progress has been (except in disk drive capacity). In the time between these two systems, I don't think that I assembled any other machines. I found that off the shelf systems had better tradeoffs than systems that I could have built myself. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lmlane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 19:15:12 2009 From: lmlane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mark Lane) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:15:12 -0500 Subject: case recommendations? and what I bought on Black Friday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:31 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I need to get a cheap and good enough and quietish ATX case for the bits > that I will describe. Do you have any recommendations? > > Filtech has $32.xx ATX case with power supply. Seemed quite light. > They have all kinds of name-brand cases and power supplies for more > money. I don't know exactly what the danager-to-your-system (from > cheap power supplies) and noise tradeoffs are. > > techdirect has a bunch of $38.xx cases with power supplies. Not a > retailer I trust that much. > > The problem with sub $50 dollar cases with power is that the power supplies are crap. They don't come with PFC and wattage ratings fairly exaggerated. Now you can swap the power supply with something better than what comes with the case. The other problem with cheap cases is that they tend to have sharp edges. Personally I would recommend Antec or Chenbro cases and power supplies with PFC and 80+ certified. You may have to pay $100+ for a case and power but it's worth the investment. -- Mark Lane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 19:41:08 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:41:08 -0500 Subject: case recommendations? and what I bought on Black Friday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091202194108.GP761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 01:31:28PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I need to get a cheap and good enough and quietish ATX case for the bits > that I will describe. Do you have any recommendations? > > Filtech has $32.xx ATX case with power supply. Seemed quite light. > They have all kinds of name-brand cases and power supplies for more > money. I don't know exactly what the danager-to-your-system (from > cheap power supplies) and noise tradeoffs are. A cheap power supply that says 500W may in fact not even theoretically be able to deliver more than 250W because the components are not capable of it. In short: They lie. The 250W it does deliver is often not even within ATX specs. I just picked up a PC Power & Cooling TurboCool 510W power supply from canada computers for $90. I remember paying $300 for a 300W turbocool years ago. What a deal they are these days. The Silencer line is nice too if you want very quiet (not that a turbocool is that noisy unless it is really fully loaded). I used a Silencer 610W in my wife's machine. The only thing you ever hear is the GTX275 getting noisy when it is working hard. The rest of the time you don't hear anything from the machine. Given it is almost always running 2x SMP folding at home client (so 8 threads going full out on a Core i7 920) it is managing to stay cool without being noisy. > techdirect has a bunch of $38.xx cases with power supplies. Not a > retailer I trust that much. Any case that comes with a power supply is almost certainly a cheap piece of junk case. All power supplies included with cases are junk and worth nothing (They don't even make good boat ankers given there is almost nothing in them). A cheap power supply will make the system unstable. I have seen it many times. A machine that crashes at random or has random errors happen, after getting a real power supply installed all the problems vanish. Computers need steady clean power to work. At 3GHz a lot happens during a power blip. > Canada Computers might be my next stop. > > I could probably cannibalize one of my old P3 computers for a case. > > What has your recent experience been with shopping for cases in the > GTA? > > [The rest of this message is intended to be amusing chatter and can > safely be ignored.] > > Why do I need a new case? I succumbed to shopping mania on Black > Friday. > > I bought an ECS A780GM-A motherboard from Newegg.ca for $57.99 plus > tax. There is a US$25 rebate so the final cost will be in the order > of $40. It has 3 PCI slots (I want more but they are going out of > fashion). ECS is not my favourite brand and the board is getting a > bit old, but the price seemed pretty good. > http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Products/ProductsDetail.aspx?detailid=866&CategoryID=1&DetailName=Specification&MenuID=1&LanID=0 ECS is one company I do NOT trust. Also known a PC Chips. Long history of very bad quality boards. They are cheap for a reason. > To go with this, I bought a retail box AMD Athlon II X2 240 processor > (AM3, 2.8G, 65w) from Tigerdirect for $44.97 plus tax. > > I found those prices hard to resist. > > Then I discovered RAM prices had gone up since I last looked. I ended > up buying two 1G sticks of DDR2-800 for $36.48 plus tax from buy.com. > Interestingly, these sticks are ECC. Unfortunately my MB won't > exploit that (I wish my board used an AMD 785 chipset). Does your board even work with them? Who makes them? > I could have bought a cheap disk drive and DVD burner but I already > had some more expensive ones laying around. > > So the theme of this machine is to get as many parts from as many > different places as cheaply as possible. The parts are OK, if not the > best. > > This machine is going to audition to replace my current MythTV master. The > current machine has an Athlon XP 1700+. I don't want to go all-out on a > replacement because its lifetime will be limited: if we go HD or digital, > the setup becomes obsolete (thanks, Rogers). > > - noise matters. The machine is left on all the time. The current > case is an Antec. If the replacement works, I might switch the new > and old systems' cases > > - the old system has 5 PCI slots, each with a tuner. The new one only > has three slots. We have used all 5 tuners at once, but not that > often. I don't know how often we use 4 at once. Too bad you don't have PVR500 cards (dual tuner pci cards). Saves slots. > - the old system has lots of IDE ports. They have seemed to be > cranky sometimes. I was considering removing one tuner in order to > add a SATA controller: SATA drives are bigger and cheaper. The new > system has lots of SATA. > > - the new CPU is faster: twice the clock rate, twice the cores, twice > the wordsize. I don't know how much Myth exploits two cores. The > wordsize probably matters very little. Likely only the doubling of > the clock rate makes an important difference. The per core cache > size is quadrupled too. Mythtv actually uses many threads. Each tuner runs its own thread for recording, each commercial flagging job is a thread (or process actually) to itself. > I first put the old box together seven years ago (not for Myth). In a > similar spirit. It is surprising how modest the progress has been > (except in disk drive capacity). > > In the time between these two systems, I don't think that I assembled > any other machines. I found that off the shelf systems had better > tradeoffs than systems that I could have built myself. You are most likely wrong, although if you build your own using cheap junk then yes they would be no better than the off the shelf, and still cost more. The off the shelf almost always cut all the corners they can to save cost while not cutting anything that would actually be noticed in the spec of the machine. Most consumers don't know any better. If it says 500W power supply then they assume it means it is completely equivalant to any other 500W power supply. The fact it isn't even 500W in the first place never occours to them. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 19:44:24 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:44:24 -0500 Subject: case recommendations? and what I bought on Black Friday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091202194424.GQ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:15:12PM -0500, Mark Lane wrote: > The problem with sub $50 dollar cases with power is that the power supplies > are crap. They don't come with PFC and wattage ratings fairly exaggerated. > Now you can swap the power supply with something better than what comes with > the case. The other problem with cheap cases is that they tend to have sharp > edges. > > Personally I would recommend Antec or Chenbro cases and power supplies with > PFC and 80+ certified. You may have to pay $100+ for a case and power but > it's worth the investment. I love the silverstone TJ-04B case myself and have used it a number of times. Of course it is around $130 without a power supply, but well worth it. The only problem I have ever encountered was that a GTX275 card does not actually fit in the case. Applying a dremel to one of the 4 HD bays fixes it though, although you drop to 3 HD bays usable in that case. A bit unfortunate. The TJ-09B is really nice and fits anything you could ever want to throw in a computer. At $300 or so it better. I have only used one of those so far. $70 to $100 for a power supply is perfectly reasonable. Anything less is generally too crappy. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddy-5sHjOODPK7E at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 20:02:18 2009 From: teddy-5sHjOODPK7E at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:02:18 -0500 Subject: ubuntu custom motd Message-ID: <4B16C7CA.4060305@tmis.ca> Ubuntu /etc/motd is always overwritten upon reboot.I had to fix this. I am sure there is easier ways to do this. as root cd /etc unlink /etc/motd nano /etc/motd-custom <--your permanent MOTD and save ln -s /etc/motd-custom /etc/motd -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 20:32:04 2009 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:32:04 -0500 Subject: case recommendations? and what I bought on Black Friday In-Reply-To: <20091202194424.GQ761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20091202194424.GQ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 12/2/09, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:15:12PM -0500, Mark Lane wrote: >> The problem with sub $50 dollar cases with power is that the power >> supplies >> are crap. They don't come with PFC and wattage ratings fairly exaggerated. >> Now you can swap the power supply with something better than what comes >> with >> the case. The other problem with cheap cases is that they tend to have >> sharp >> edges. >> >> Personally I would recommend Antec or Chenbro cases and power supplies >> with >> PFC and 80+ certified. You may have to pay $100+ for a case and power but >> it's worth the investment. > > I love the silverstone TJ-04B case myself and have used it a number > of times. Of course it is around $130 without a power supply, but well > worth it. The only problem I have ever encountered was that a GTX275 card > does not actually fit in the case. Applying a dremel to one of the 4 HD > bays fixes it though, although you drop to 3 HD bays usable in that case. > A bit unfortunate. The TJ-09B is really nice and fits anything you > could ever want to throw in a computer. At $300 or so it better. > I have only used one of those so far. I will echo a thumbs up for Silverstone cases. My most recent case purchase was a Silverstone Grandia GD04 microATX case, just over $100 without a power supply. In my books expensive, but VERY nicely built with 3 included 120 mm fans and holes made for (but not included) 2 x 80 mm fans. > $70 to $100 for a power supply is perfectly reasonable. Anything less > is generally too crappy. Well, I put in a Thermaltake TR-2 430 watt power supply in the above, ~$40. Not a great power supply, but decent value for the money. > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lmlane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 20:38:18 2009 From: lmlane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mark Lane) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:38:18 -0500 Subject: case recommendations? and what I bought on Black Friday In-Reply-To: <20091202194108.GP761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20091202194108.GP761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > techdirect has a bunch of $38.xx cases with power supplies. Not a > > retailer I trust that much. > > Any case that comes with a power supply is almost certainly a cheap > piece of junk case. All power supplies included with cases are junk > and worth nothing (They don't even make good boat ankers given there is > almost nothing in them). > > > That's not always the case some of the better case manufacturer's put quality power supplies in their cases. Though they tend to put lower wattage power supplies in so sometimes you still need to swap. In my case my Antec Sonata III 500 came with a 500W 80+ power supply for $110 dollars. BTW I would definitely recommend this case. It's designed to be quiet, comes with good power and is an very nice design. -- Mark Lane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 20:56:43 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:56:43 -0500 Subject: desktop capture In-Reply-To: References: <4B106715.9030504@gmail.com> <20091130170717.GE761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B14780D.3090602@gmail.com> <1f13df280912010603p15c244ebg705fb458a6c042fa@mail.gmail.com> <4B16273C.8020509@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, colin davidson wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> Giles Orr wrote: >>> >>> 2009/11/30 ?: >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:57:33 -0500 >>>>> From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >>>>> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: desktop capture >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> To give you an idea about quality, here is a (video only) sample of what >>>>> I was able to create >>>>> >>>>> http://devmentor.org/ruby/play.html >>>>> >>>>> I need to figure out how to make the mp4 file stream while it >>>>> downloading, right now you have to wait for it to complete downloading >>>>> before you can watch it! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>> Rajinder Yadav >>>> >>>> I couldn't get the plugin to run the above on my firefox 3.0.1. >>> >>> Like John, the video wouldn't show in my firefox/iceweasel. ?However, >>> I downloaded the video and the quality is quite good. ?But at 2.8MB >>> for 43 seconds, you may have to deal with some haziness because it >>> should to be compressed more to make it a more palatable download. >>> >> >> Hi Giles, >> >> thanks for the feedback. The host I am with has a capacity of 10GBPS, so I >> am thinking this should be more than enough to provide streaming video to a >> few visitors. Unfortunately I can't seem to find any good video editors that >> are fully-functioning to produce streaming videos. >> >> It looks like this is a job for Windows and proprietary software, so I am >> shopping around for a video studio for my meetup group. We are planning on >> providing video content. > > Hi Rajinder, > > Have you tried Avidemux? I was looking for a video editor that would > let me extract clips from .VOB file from DVDs on which I'd recorded > output from a video camera. This was the only tool that I could get to > do the job and it was easy with Avidemux. (Caveat, it is a Qt tool). Hi Colin, to be honest I installed it but couldn't figure out how to add clips, maybe I was too tired =) ... Also I want to be able to dub audio over the clips and or add music, is this fairly easy to do with Avidemux? I will take another look at it this week, thanks. > > Cheers, Colin > >> >> -- >> Kind Regards, >> Rajinder Yadav >> >> http://DevMentor.org >> >> Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 21:05:13 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:05:13 -0500 Subject: OT: Looking for help and volunteers Message-ID: Guys as you may know I am trying to get an idea and a local meetup project going with Ruby on Rails. This is a pilot project which I hope to open in other areas and eventually create a formula to open FREE non-geek DevMentor.org local support communities. Yes Folk I am undertaking the lofty goal of starting a grassroots movement to empower people, build strong loving communities to learn and develop, to share and mentor. I am looking for loving people to help ?our? cause to Do Good in this world! Why not take a stand for humanity and lend us your talent, energy and most of all love today, right now! I need creative volunteers who love to teach, build communities, to write, and people who can help produce short videos. Why not show off your talent to the world and make it count! If this sounds like you, or you know people or have friends that would jump to become a DevMentor let them know I need their help! To get in touch with me, email to: info-Jh1nsjtb8cBrovVCs/uTlw at public.gmane.org in care of Rajinder Yadav. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 21:58:02 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:58:02 -0500 Subject: ubuntu custom motd In-Reply-To: <4B16C7CA.4060305-5sHjOODPK7E@public.gmane.org> References: <4B16C7CA.4060305@tmis.ca> Message-ID: <20091202215802.GR761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 03:02:18PM -0500, teddy mills wrote: > Ubuntu /etc/motd is always overwritten upon reboot.I had to fix this. > I am sure there is easier ways to do this. as root cd /etc > > unlink /etc/motd > nano /etc/motd-custom <--your permanent MOTD and save > ln -s /etc/motd-custom /etc/motd On debian you edit /etc/motd.tail and then it uses that as the base for /etc/motd (which simpyl adds the kernel version and such to the file). Of course since /etc/motd is a symlink to /var/run/motd you could simply change it to a normal file and add whatever you want. You do not have to create a new file and symlink to that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 21:54:48 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:54:48 +0300 Subject: OT: Looking for help and volunteers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B16E228.50102@gmail.com> Some may think that I am stirring the pot again. I am not. I saw the problem on Polish LUGs as well. Well, the problem is indeed that younger people need guidance. And they sometime get it. More often they do not. Or they get intercepted deviants (usually by state influenced ones). Rajinder Yadav has enthusiasm, has knowledge. Why not to use it in a good way for the society? He is willing to serve with his work to all of us. And at the same time: "Ruby on Rails" Why that Ruby only? But thats a minor problem I have. "to Do Good in this world!" Dear friend, do you know what you are saying? Good to entire world did all dictators. They mostly did not succeed. Now, "good" is done to us by states, this or that. Some mental morons may appreciate that... But I wish you a wonderful luck indeed. zb. Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Guys as you may know I am trying to get an idea and a local meetup > project going with Ruby on Rails. This is a pilot project which I hope > to open in other areas and eventually create a formula to open FREE > non-geek DevMentor.org local support communities. Yes Folk I am > undertaking the lofty goal of starting a grassroots movement to > empower people, build strong loving communities to learn and develop, > to share and mentor. I am looking for loving people to help ?our? > cause to Do Good in this world! Why not take a stand for humanity and > lend us your talent, energy and most of all love today, right now! > > I need creative volunteers who love to teach, build communities, to > write, and people who can help produce short videos. Why not show off > your talent to the world and make it count! If this sounds like you, > or you know people or have friends that would jump to become a > DevMentor let them know I need their help! To get in touch with me, > email to: info-Jh1nsjtb8cBrovVCs/uTlw at public.gmane.org in care of Rajinder Yadav. > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 22:10:46 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:10:46 -0500 Subject: case recommendations? and what I bought on Black Friday In-Reply-To: References: <20091202194424.GQ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20091202221046.GS761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 03:32:04PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > I will echo a thumbs up for Silverstone cases. My most recent case > purchase was a Silverstone Grandia GD04 microATX case, just over $100 > without a power supply. In my books expensive, but VERY nicely built > with 3 included 120 mm fans and holes made for (but not included) 2 x > 80 mm fans. > > > $70 to $100 for a power supply is perfectly reasonable. Anything less > > is generally too crappy. > > Well, I put in a Thermaltake TR-2 430 watt power supply in the above, > ~$40. Not a great power supply, but decent value for the money. The model with or without PFC? Apparently the wires are too thin on the 12V feeds (at least compared to what is considered appropriate). It is in fact a particularly BAD power supply (it is not 430W it is at best a 350W and only 70% efficient, not 80%+ that modern good power supplies do). Also not ATX 2.x compatible, only 1.x which means it isn't really compatible with any modern motherboard. For a good review of power supplies (in this case that model) see here: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/332/1 -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 22:21:43 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:21:43 -0500 Subject: case recommendations? and what I bought on Black Friday In-Reply-To: References: <20091202194108.GP761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20091202222143.GT761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 03:38:18PM -0500, Mark Lane wrote: > That's not always the case some of the better case manufacturer's put > quality power supplies in their cases. Though they tend to put lower wattage > power supplies in so sometimes you still need to swap. In my case my Antec > Sonata III 500 came with a 500W 80+ power supply for $110 dollars. BTW I > would definitely recommend this case. It's designed to be quiet, comes with > good power and is an very nice design. Well that power supply at least looks fairly decent: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/526/1 -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 22:23:49 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:23:49 -0500 Subject: case recommendations? and what I bought on Black Friday In-Reply-To: <755766.7821.qm-CUv9Uf32FsiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20091202194108.GP761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <755766.7821.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20091202222349.GU761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 12:47:52PM -0800, Matthew Godycki wrote: > I second that. Been using a variety of Antec Sonata cases. Great build > quality and quiet. They are often recommended for "quiet" systems, along > with fanless PSUs, etc. Well personally it isn't a case for me ever. I hate drive bay doors. They are a totally stupid idea. If my software ejects the drive with the door closed, bad things might happen. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 22:23:16 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:23:16 -0500 Subject: case recommendations? and what I bought on Black Friday In-Reply-To: <755766.7821.qm-CUv9Uf32FsiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20091202194108.GP761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <755766.7821.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Matthew Godycki wrote: > > That's not always the case some of the better case manufacturer's put > quality power supplies in their cases. Though they tend to put lower wattage > power supplies in so sometimes you still need to swap. In my case my Antec > Sonata III 500 came with a 500W 80+ power supply for $110 dollars. BTW I > would definitely recommend this case. It's designed to be quiet, comes with > good power and is an very nice design. > > > I second that.? Been using a variety of Antec Sonata cases.? Great build > quality and quiet.? They are often recommended for "quiet" systems, along > with fanless PSUs, etc. I've got an Antec Sonata I, which has been doing good service for several years now. Virtually silent, and with large, low speed fan which is quiet and which may be expected to last well. It may be that [as commented by Lennart up+downstream] it doesn't have a particularly fabulous power supply; perhaps the PSU doesn't have as many watts as it is claimed to have. However, the Antec PSUs *are* clearly a lot better than the ones that come in the $40 cases, and if their PSUs don't *precisely* conform to claimed specs, the difference is likely to be fairly small (as seems the case with the Thermaltake that Colin pointed out), being a "percentage difference" as opposed to "possibly several binary orders of magnitude worse." It seems likely to me that a lot of the time, a reasonably well-chosen $40 PSU will be "good enough." -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Ogden Nash - "The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/o/ogden_nash.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 22:20:56 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:20:56 +0300 Subject: security of gmail Message-ID: <4B16E848.8060705@gmail.com> Now, I would have a good question for this list. As you know or not, I am now in Russia. I use normally my gmail.com account to send and receive emails. I know almost for sure that I am followed by Russian Secret Intelligence (heh, I am indeed somewhat oversensitive to these issues, but I have also good confirmation that that kind of activity if going on around). That by CIS is likely too. Not that I care much about that, but anyway one would like sometime to be more certain about privacy. In fact - never ever trust a government agency, and I believe that I am right in that. So, I just wonder, to what extent gmail.com can protect me from unwanted survillance by Russians when I actually send and receive emails from Russia? I use gmail secure pop and smtp, but how are they really secure? Anyone is able to comment on that? That gmail.com can be viewed with high likeness by CIS I assume as granted. Please. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 22:41:10 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:41:10 -0500 Subject: case recommendations? and what I bought on Black Friday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B16ED06.6010408@alteeve.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I need to get a cheap and good enough and quietish ATX case for the bits > that I will describe. Do you have any recommendations? > > Filtech has $32.xx ATX case with power supply. Seemed quite light. > They have all kinds of name-brand cases and power supplies for more > money. I don't know exactly what the danager-to-your-system (from > cheap power supplies) and noise tradeoffs are. Hey Hugh, I've gotten numerous Antec Sonata's over the years... Have one now, so does my boyfriend and numerous people I've built or helped build PCs for over the years. I've yet to hear of any complaints! The PSUs are their Earthwatts 80Plus last I checked. They are rock solid PSUs (and make up the bulk of the admittedly higher cost). I've heard them tested a few times now in hot-boxes (stuck in a box at 50c and run up to 100% advertised load) and they've never failed. They have very clean rails and last a long time. The only other two brands I trust for PSUs are PC Power and Cooling (no cases) and Silverstone (amazing cases, but even pricier). They are super quiet cases, too. They run large fans at low RPMs to get the needed CFM airflow without the noise. Possibly more important though, their cases aren't those "loud", obnoxious creatures you see so often. They've got a very understated style which I like. However, that's ultimately personal preference. Inside they're generally 0.8mm SECC steele (again, last I checked) which is very decent. They have removable HDD trays with rubber mounts to cut down on vibration, too. All the edges are rolled ... I've yet to cut myself on an Antec case and I bleed easy. :P Anyway, they are a bit pricey, but they will last you a few generations easy. Here's a few at CC: Antec Sonata Designer 500 (my fav.) - http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=015081&cid=CAS.664 Antec Sonata Elite (front door, which you may prefer) - http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=021150&cid=CAS.664 Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 22:43:24 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:43:24 -0500 Subject: security of gmail In-Reply-To: <4B16E848.8060705-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B16E848.8060705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16ED8C.50600@alteeve.com> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > > Now, I would have a good question for this list. > > As you know or not, I am now in Russia. I use normally my gmail.com > account to send and receive emails. > > I know almost for sure that I am followed by Russian Secret Intelligence > (heh, I am indeed somewhat oversensitive to these issues, but I have > also good confirmation that that kind of activity if going on around). > That by CIS is likely too. Not that I care much about that, but anyway > one would like sometime to be more certain about privacy. In fact - > never ever trust a government agency, and I believe that I am right in > that. > > So, I just wonder, to what extent gmail.com can protect me from unwanted > survillance by Russians when I actually send and receive emails from > Russia? I use gmail secure pop and smtp, but how are they really secure? > Anyone is able to comment on that? > > That gmail.com can be viewed with high likeness by CIS I assume as granted. > > Please. > > zb. Google has caved to the Chinese before, I don't see why they'd stand up to the Russians. If you need secure communications, you are probably best to invest in your own server, preferably outside Russia, and use a secure connection to it. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 22:44:37 2009 From: vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jon) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:44:37 -0500 Subject: case recommendations? and what I bought on Black Friday In-Reply-To: References: <20091202194108.GP761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <755766.7821.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5A71F23E-1347-44F3-AC08-A0BFE371B0CD@gmail.com> On 2-Dec-09, at 5:23 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > > It seems likely to me that a lot of the time, a reasonably well-chosen > $40 PSU will be "good enough." +1 It also depends on your needs. A basic home office desktop will have much different power requirements than, to pick a couple examples, a media server with numerous hard drives or a gaming rig with hungry graphics card. Choosing carefully being a key aspect of the "going cheap on the power supply" strategy. I have been the victim of random blue screens from a shoddy unit once, and as a tech have repaired (read: gutted and rebuilt) machines destroyed to varying degrees when capacitors blew. All of these were from cheap cases that came with cheap power supplies. jon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 22:42:00 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:42:00 +0300 Subject: security of gmail In-Reply-To: <4B16ED8C.50600-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B16E848.8060705@gmail.com> <4B16ED8C.50600@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B16ED38.4080404@gmail.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >> >> >> Now, I would have a good question for this list. >> >> As you know or not, I am now in Russia. I use normally my gmail.com >> account to send and receive emails. >> >> I know almost for sure that I am followed by Russian Secret >> Intelligence (heh, I am indeed somewhat oversensitive to these >> issues, but I have also good confirmation that that kind of activity >> if going on around). That by CIS is likely too. Not that I care much >> about that, but anyway one would like sometime to be more certain >> about privacy. In fact - never ever trust a government agency, and I >> believe that I am right in that. >> >> So, I just wonder, to what extent gmail.com can protect me from >> unwanted survillance by Russians when I actually send and receive >> emails from Russia? I use gmail secure pop and smtp, but how are they >> really secure? Anyone is able to comment on that? >> >> That gmail.com can be viewed with high likeness by CIS I assume as >> granted. >> >> Please. >> >> zb. > > Google has caved to the Chinese before, I don't see why they'd stand > up to the Russians. If you need secure communications, you are > probably best to invest in your own server, preferably outside Russia, > and use a secure connection to it. > Simple answers are often the best. Thanks Madi. I have access to a "secure" place. Though there is of course never an entirely "secure" one... But how about all other folks who can not do what I could do? zb. > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 22:56:53 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:56:53 -0500 Subject: Two new toys; Perfect Linux support Message-ID: <4B16F0B5.7090600@alteeve.com> Hi all, I decided to finally give bluetooth a go with my new laptop, so I picked up a headset and a mouse. Specifically, I got: Motorola H710 (bonds to two devices at one; laptop and phone) - http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/CA-EN/Consumer-Products-and-Services/Mobile+Phone+Accessories/Headsets/Bluetooth-Headset-H710-80190-CA-EN Razer Orochi mouse: - http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-orochi/ Both worked immediately with my laptop (Lenovo T400s running Ubuntu 9.10 x86_64). The headset works fine and was simple to bond to both my phone and laptop. Tested it on the laptop using Skype. I had to tweak the volume as it has a different sensitivity from the built-in mic, but otherwise works well. The mouse was even easier to setup. I set it into bond mode and Linux say it and knew it by name. I clicked to use it and that was it. As for Razer as a company, I've had their Lachesis mouse and Lycosa keyboard for about a year now on my home PC and they are easily the best I've ever had. The only thing that topped the keyboard was the one on this laptop, but I could almost call it a draw as the laptop doesn't have the back light. Anyway, if anyone was in the market for either a headset or mouse, I'd recommend both. Oh, and the mouse comes with a removable USB cable. If the batteries die or if you want faster reaction and more frequent polling, plug in the cable and there ya go. Comes with a bag to protect the mouse while bouncing around in your backpack, too. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 2 22:59:21 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:59:21 -0500 Subject: security of gmail In-Reply-To: <4B16ED38.4080404-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B16E848.8060705@gmail.com> <4B16ED8C.50600@alteeve.com> <4B16ED38.4080404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16F149.9090008@alteeve.com> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: >> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >>> >>> >>> Now, I would have a good question for this list. >>> >>> As you know or not, I am now in Russia. I use normally my gmail.com >>> account to send and receive emails. >>> >>> I know almost for sure that I am followed by Russian Secret >>> Intelligence (heh, I am indeed somewhat oversensitive to these >>> issues, but I have also good confirmation that that kind of activity >>> if going on around). That by CIS is likely too. Not that I care much >>> about that, but anyway one would like sometime to be more certain >>> about privacy. In fact - never ever trust a government agency, and I >>> believe that I am right in that. >>> >>> So, I just wonder, to what extent gmail.com can protect me from >>> unwanted survillance by Russians when I actually send and receive >>> emails from Russia? I use gmail secure pop and smtp, but how are they >>> really secure? Anyone is able to comment on that? >>> >>> That gmail.com can be viewed with high likeness by CIS I assume as >>> granted. >>> >>> Please. >>> >>> zb. >> >> Google has caved to the Chinese before, I don't see why they'd stand >> up to the Russians. If you need secure communications, you are >> probably best to invest in your own server, preferably outside Russia, >> and use a secure connection to it. >> > Simple answers are often the best. Thanks Madi. I have access to a > "secure" place. Though there is of course never an entirely "secure" one... > > But how about all other folks who can not do what I could do? > > zb. If they're smart, they won't use email for anything sensitive. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 3 00:14:25 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:14:25 -0500 Subject: security of gmail In-Reply-To: <4B16E848.8060705-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B16E848.8060705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091203001425.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 01:20:56AM +0300, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Now, I would have a good question for this list. > > As you know or not, I am now in Russia. I use normally my gmail.com > account to send and receive emails. > > I know almost for sure that I am followed by Russian Secret Intelligence > (heh, I am indeed somewhat oversensitive to these issues, but I have > also good confirmation that that kind of activity if going on around). > That by CIS is likely too. Not that I care much about that, but anyway > one would like sometime to be more certain about privacy. In fact - > never ever trust a government agency, and I believe that I am right in > that. > > So, I just wonder, to what extent gmail.com can protect me from unwanted > survillance by Russians when I actually send and receive emails from > Russia? I use gmail secure pop and smtp, but how are they really secure? > Anyone is able to comment on that? > > That gmail.com can be viewed with high likeness by CIS I assume as granted. Well if you use the web interface in https mode (it might always be on now, it used to be a preference), then it should not be possible for anyone other than gmail to read your messages. Well of course once you send a message, it uses smtp to go to the destination across the internet from gmail, so anyone along that path can read it. ssl secured pop or imap or smtp to gmail ought to have the same level of encryption. Of course if google receives a court order to give out a copy of your emails, they will. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 3 00:17:16 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:17:16 -0500 Subject: OT: Looking for help and volunteers In-Reply-To: <4B16E228.50102-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B16E228.50102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B17038C.1000103@gmail.com> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > Some may think that I am stirring the pot again. I am not. I saw the > problem on Polish LUGs as well. > > Well, the problem is indeed that younger people need guidance. And they > sometime get it. More often they do not. Or they get intercepted > deviants (usually by state influenced ones). ZB, I don't think you're stirring the pot. I think something wonderful happens to people when they learn to start giving and not taking, or giving more than taking, there is a sense of pride and self worth that comes with it. If this can be instilled in more people we should be better for it. > > Rajinder Yadav has enthusiasm, has knowledge. Why not to use it in a > good way for the society? He is willing to serve with his work to all of > us. Thank that is a very wonderful comment. > > And at the same time: > > "Ruby on Rails" > > Why that Ruby only? But thats a minor problem I have. I picked Ruby on Rails because I am using it to rebuild my website, so it will force me to learn, plus I needed to pick something I understood a little and something that was fun to get going for others. Who knows my idea like all ideas tend to start one way and they beautifully transform into something more or something different. Other people will bring their energy, creativity and love into the project. My only focus is to build the right values for the community to embrace and uphold. Once that happens things begin to occur on their own and my idea becomes many others people ideas and others take it further than I could. This is my only wish. > > "to Do Good in this world!" > > Dear friend, do you know what you are saying? Good to entire world did > all dictators. They mostly did not succeed. This idea will be supported by the community, I am just a messenger trying to bring life to a possibility. If people don't like the idea, it will not take hold and grow. On the other hand, if the idea is welcomed and embraced, then it will succeed. The success will not occur because I or anyone else dictates it, but because other decide to take a stand for each others. Force never works, love always win out! > Now, "good" is done to us by states, this or that. Some mental morons > may appreciate that... > > But I wish you a wonderful luck indeed. Thanks, but we not I will be the lucky ones =) > zb. > > > Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> Guys as you may know I am trying to get an idea and a local meetup >> project going with Ruby on Rails. This is a pilot project which I hope >> to open in other areas and eventually create a formula to open FREE >> non-geek DevMentor.org local support communities. Yes Folk I am >> undertaking the lofty goal of starting a grassroots movement to >> empower people, build strong loving communities to learn and develop, >> to share and mentor. I am looking for loving people to help ?our? >> cause to Do Good in this world! Why not take a stand for humanity and >> lend us your talent, energy and most of all love today, right now! >> >> I need creative volunteers who love to teach, build communities, to >> write, and people who can help produce short videos. Why not show off >> your talent to the world and make it count! If this sounds like you, >> or you know people or have friends that would jump to become a >> DevMentor let them know I need their help! To get in touch with me, >> email to: info-Jh1nsjtb8cBrovVCs/uTlw at public.gmane.org in care of Rajinder Yadav. >> >> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 3 01:32:35 2009 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:32:35 +0900 Subject: security of gmail In-Reply-To: <4B16ED8C.50600-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B16E848.8060705@gmail.com> <4B16ED8C.50600@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1259803955.15945.5.camel@hatsya.starnix.com> On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 17:43 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > So, I just wonder, to what extent gmail.com can protect me from unwanted > > survillance by Russians when I actually send and receive emails from > > Russia? I use gmail secure pop and smtp, but how are they really secure? > > Anyone is able to comment on that? > > Google has caved to the Chinese before, I don't see why they'd stand up > to the Russians. If you need secure communications, you are probably > best to invest in your own server, preferably outside Russia, and use a > secure connection to it. Don't rely on google to protect you from anything. Protect your IP address by using TOR or something like it: http://www.torproject.org/ And install the FireGPG add-on to gmail to encrypt everything you send. Then, make everyone encrypt the e-mail that they send you. I'll leave the last part for you to figure out... Let me know when you do. Regards, --matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 3 04:28:33 2009 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:28:33 -0500 Subject: security of gmail In-Reply-To: <1259803955.15945.5.camel-EWWT1lLJxm2ye9+Y+OZS3dBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <4B16E848.8060705@gmail.com> <4B16ED8C.50600@alteeve.com> <1259803955.15945.5.camel@hatsya.starnix.com> Message-ID: <92ee967a0912022028n77030f4drbd9917c83f29a37e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:32 PM, G. Matthew Rice wrote: ... > Don't rely on google to protect you from anything. > > Protect your IP address by using TOR or something like it: > > ? ?http://www.torproject.org/ > > And install the FireGPG add-on to gmail to encrypt everything you send. > > Then, make everyone encrypt the e-mail that they send you. > > I'll leave the last part for you to figure out... > > Let me know when you do. The nice thing about gmail is that so many people use it that it doesn't appear at all suspicious. The downside is yeah, they've got a presence in a lot of countries so they may *silently* comply with any given local government's demands. www.hushmail.com is Canadian with some foreign presence. They've been known to give data to the U.S. under court order, but if you're not doing anything illegal, you should be okay. See the Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hushmail about the controversy. A nice advantage to their system is that you can send mail securely to a recipient who doesn't have a special client... although it still confuses technoboobs. BTW, I would not be surpised to see the TLUG mailing list on an archive on the web. Archives have existed in the past and may exist again in the future. So what you write here, as with anything on the Internet, is suprisingly permanent, and can surface at any time. You need to be careful with Tor. Your data is unencrypted at the exit node, so identifiable information must be kept to a minimum. It's an interesting project, but very subtle in how it can be best used. Note that the exit nodes can be government-run. While that might worry you about Russia, just think of how many Chinese end-nodes you must be using :-) If you're concerned about illegal activities under a suspicious government, e.g, dissenting in Iran, you're stuck. That's a hard problem. But if you're concerned about your government committing illegal activities, like corporate espionage, I think depending on a less-than-cooperative foreign companies is reasonable, especially if the business ventures are beneficial to the interest of the host country. If you fear your government suspecting you of having something to hide, you really need to stick to things that look un-suspicious. Google over https, Skype, and stuff like that. Sadly, if necessary, resorting to physical letters, you might be able to make things tamper-evident. Depending on the nature of your information, the knowledge of disclosure might be all you need. I hope all is well. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 3 11:46:41 2009 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:46:41 -0500 Subject: case recommendations? and what I bought on Black Friday In-Reply-To: <20091202222349.GU761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org>; from lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org on Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 17:23:49 -0500 References: <20091202194108.GP761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <755766.7821.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20091202222349.GU761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20091203114641.GA1885@localhost> On Wed Dec 02,2009 05:23:49 PM Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well personally it isn't a case for me ever. I hate drive bay > doors. They are a totally stupid idea. If a Sonata case would be suitable and desirable in all other aspects, I believe the door can be removed easily and the case still looks reasonable without it. > If my software ejects the drive with the door closed, bad things > might happen. Assuming that you're talking about a CD/DVD drive with a tray: If the drive doesn't have the power to force the bay door open, then most likely the tray motor would just stall. The drive would detect this and retract the tray, with no damage done. The tray mechanism is designed to take this kind of abuse for people who like to close the tray by pushing on it, instead of using the open/close button. Sticking a piece of soft foam on the inside of the bay door, in front of the tray, to cushion it, would make things even safer. It might be a different story for a slot load drive, but a foam cushion might be sufficient in this case (no pun intended), as well. -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 3 15:12:15 2009 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:12:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Looking for free smtp server with static IP address In-Reply-To: <4B16E228.50102-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B16E228.50102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <331571.16894.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi all, I set up a free social networking website (using my home high speed internet connection which is under utilized) and came across one problem. It's subscription service needs to send out email so that the subscriber can activate the subscription. I expect most subscriber to have gmail, yahoo or hotmail account none of which accept email from dynamic ip address. I will be happy if the smtp service will allow me to send something like 20 emails a day as I have no intention of spamming:-) Does anyone know if there is a free smtp server with static ip address that can talk to gmail, yahoo and hotmail? Thanks, EK __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 3 15:39:55 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:39:55 +0300 Subject: Looking for free smtp server with static IP address In-Reply-To: <331571.16894.qm-ER3pdbdKwIL5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <331571.16894.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B17DBCB.9040106@gmail.com> Dont be naive. Gmail is more intelligent. If you send 20 spams they will be processed throuout entire system (I guess so). The fact that you have or not have permanent IP does not matter much. I am also not a spammer even though I used to send a 300,000 emails per day when working in one Canadian company a few years ago ;) zb. E K wrote: > Hi all, > > I set up a free social networking website (using my home high speed internet connection which is under utilized) and came across one problem. It's subscription service needs to send out email so that the subscriber can activate the subscription. I expect most subscriber to have gmail, yahoo or hotmail account none of which accept email from dynamic ip address. > > I will be happy if the smtp service will allow me to send something like 20 emails a day as I have no intention of spamming:-) > > Does anyone know if there is a free smtp server with static ip address that can talk to gmail, yahoo and hotmail? > > Thanks, > EK > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 3 16:26:14 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:26:14 -0500 Subject: Redirect any call to a domain to a single HTML page Message-ID: <4B17E6A6.7030006@alteeve.com> Hi all, I've moved a website (internal wiki) to a new server. I'd like to setup apache on the old server to redirect any call to *any* page to a specific HTML page. Or, ideally, have a dynamic redirect the forwards to the same page on a different domain. Is this possible? It's Apache 2.2, by the way. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 3 16:32:08 2009 From: phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:32:08 -0500 Subject: Redirect any call to a domain to a single HTML page In-Reply-To: <4B17E6A6.7030006-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B17E6A6.7030006@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20091203113208.smf09js28c404ccc@easymail.pathcom.com> ----- Message from linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org --------- > I've moved a website (internal wiki) to a new server. I'd like to > setup apache on the old server to redirect any call to *any* page to > a specific HTML page. Or, ideally, have a dynamic redirect the > forwards to the same page on a different domain. Is this possible? The mod_alias Redirect seems designed for this: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_alias.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 3 17:05:17 2009 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:05:17 -0500 Subject: Looking for free smtp server with static IP address In-Reply-To: <331571.16894.qm-ER3pdbdKwIL5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <331571.16894.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am using a Gmail accout for my redmine instance, it sends about a hunder emails a day and has yet to be put on any spam list. I would suggest getting Google Apps for your domain name. Sent from my mobile device. (416) 732-1657 On 2009-12-03, at 10:12 AM, E K wrote: > Hi all, > > I set up a free social networking website (using my home high speed > internet connection which is under utilized) and came across one > problem. It's subscription service needs to send out email so that > the subscriber can activate the subscription. I expect most > subscriber to have gmail, yahoo or hotmail account none of which > accept email from dynamic ip address. > > I will be happy if the smtp service will allow me to send something > like 20 emails a day as I have no intention of spamming:-) > > Does anyone know if there is a free smtp server with static ip > address that can talk to gmail, yahoo and hotmail? > > Thanks, > EK > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet > Explorer? 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer > / > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 3 22:52:26 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:52:26 -0500 Subject: Redirect any call to a domain to a single HTML page In-Reply-To: <4B17E6A6.7030006-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B17E6A6.7030006@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20091203225226.GW761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:26:14AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've moved a website (internal wiki) to a new server. I'd like to > setup apache on the old server to redirect any call to *any* page to a > specific HTML page. Or, ideally, have a dynamic redirect the forwards to > the same page on a different domain. Is this possible? > > It's Apache 2.2, by the way. :) I am sure a 404 handler written in php could do it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 3 23:38:25 2009 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:38:25 -0500 Subject: Redirect any call to a domain to a single HTML page In-Reply-To: <4B17E6A6.7030006-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B17E6A6.7030006@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B184BF1.9060004@utoronto.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've moved a website (internal wiki) to a new server. I'd like to > setup apache on the old server to redirect any call to *any* page to a > specific HTML page. Or, ideally, have a dynamic redirect the forwards to > the same page on a different domain. Is this possible? > > It's Apache 2.2, by the way. :) Redirect is the least expensive, one line on the old server :) Redirect Permanent / http://foo.com/ Every request to /bar will redirect to http://foo.com/bar on the target server. It will also send the correct 301 http code to the client browser indicating the permanence of the move. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 4 08:04:07 2009 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:04:07 -0500 Subject: Trying to use active USB 2.0 extension cable. Message-ID: <1259913847.4270.63.camel@jimslaptop> I'm trying to use an active USB 2.0 extension cable and it doesn't seem to be recognized properly. I'm using Ubuntu Jaunty ( unfotunately the modules are compiled into kernel or I'd try removing uhci_hcd) Below is dmesg output: usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9 hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 usb 6-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 usb 6-2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub usb 6-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice hub 6-2:1.0: USB hub found hub 6-2:1.0: 4 ports detected At first it is recognized as USB 2.0 device ie ehci_hcd driver but ultimately becomes uhci_hcd device. It is this device http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2329301&CatId=444 Maybe it is just a lousy device. Problem is I can't get a USB 2.0 web camera to work properly with it. Can anyone recommend an an active USB 2.0 extension that works with Linux . Eventually I need about 30 feet so was hoping to use two of these. The literature says you can string up to 5 together. I know my USB bus is ok since USB 2.0 hubs work ok and the camera works ok when directly plugged into my computer. Any suggestions? Eventually I will be hooking up 4 cameras. Thanks, Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lmlane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 4 09:54:34 2009 From: lmlane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mark Lane) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 04:54:34 -0500 Subject: Trying to use active USB 2.0 extension cable. In-Reply-To: <1259913847.4270.63.camel@jimslaptop> References: <1259913847.4270.63.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:04 AM, jim wrote: > I'm trying to use an active USB 2.0 extension cable and it doesn't seem > to be recognized properly. I'm using Ubuntu Jaunty ( unfotunately the > modules are compiled into kernel or I'd try removing uhci_hcd) Below is > dmesg output: > > usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9 > hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 > usb 6-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 > usb 6-2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub > usb 6-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice > hub 6-2:1.0: USB hub found > hub 6-2:1.0: 4 ports detected > > At first it is recognized as USB 2.0 device ie ehci_hcd driver but > ultimately becomes uhci_hcd device. It is this device > > http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2329301&CatId=444 > > Maybe it is just a lousy device. Problem is I can't get a USB 2.0 web > camera to work properly with it. Can anyone recommend an an active USB > 2.0 extension that works with Linux . Eventually I need about 30 feet so > was hoping to use two of these. The literature says you can string up to > 5 together. I know my USB bus is ok since USB 2.0 hubs work ok and the > camera works ok when directly plugged into my computer. Any suggestions? > Eventually I will be hooking up 4 cameras. > Thanks, > Jim > > Have you considered wireless Cameras? I was going to suggest just plugging the camera into an ASUS router that supports dd-wrt but since you want 4 eventually it would be cheaper just to buy wireless cameras as I assume you don't want the cameras all in the same place. Here's an example. You can control the camera through a browser. http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=342 -- Mark Lane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 4 16:14:16 2009 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:14:16 -0500 Subject: Trying to use active USB 2.0 extension cable. In-Reply-To: References: <1259913847.4270.63.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <1259943256.18583.6.camel@jimslaptop> On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 04:54 -0500, Mark Lane wrote: > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:04 AM, jim wrote: > I'm trying to use an active USB 2.0 extension cable and it > doesn't seem > to be recognized properly. I'm using Ubuntu Jaunty > ( unfotunately the > modules are compiled into kernel or I'd try removing uhci_hcd) > Below is > dmesg output: > > usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address > 9 > hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 > usb 6-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address > 3 > usb 6-2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub > usb 6-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice > hub 6-2:1.0: USB hub found > hub 6-2:1.0: 4 ports detected > > At first it is recognized as USB 2.0 device ie ehci_hcd driver > but > ultimately becomes uhci_hcd device. It is this device > http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2329301&CatId=444 > > Maybe it is just a lousy device. Problem is I can't get a USB > 2.0 web > camera to work properly with it. Can anyone recommend an an > active USB > 2.0 extension that works with Linux . Eventually I need about > 30 feet so > was hoping to use two of these. The literature says you can > string up to > 5 together. I know my USB bus is ok since USB 2.0 hubs work ok > and the > camera works ok when directly plugged into my computer. Any > suggestions? > Eventually I will be hooking up 4 cameras. > Thanks, > Jim > > > Have you considered wireless Cameras? I was going to suggest just > plugging the camera into an ASUS router that supports dd-wrt but since > you want 4 eventually it would be cheaper just to buy wireless cameras > as I assume you don't want the cameras all in the same place. > > Here's an example. You can control the camera through a browser. > > http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=342 > > > -- > Mark Lane > Thanks, The cameras I'm using have been modified to work with infrared light so I can't use just any camera unfortunately. This is for an interactive art installation and the cameras have to be about 15 to 20 feet apart. Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 4 16:38:07 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:38:07 -0500 Subject: Trying to use active USB 2.0 extension cable. In-Reply-To: <1259913847.4270.63.camel@jimslaptop> References: <1259913847.4270.63.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <20091204163807.GX761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 03:04:07AM -0500, jim wrote: > I'm trying to use an active USB 2.0 extension cable and it doesn't seem > to be recognized properly. I'm using Ubuntu Jaunty ( unfotunately the > modules are compiled into kernel or I'd try removing uhci_hcd) Below is > dmesg output: > > usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9 > hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 > usb 6-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 > usb 6-2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub > usb 6-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice > hub 6-2:1.0: USB hub found > hub 6-2:1.0: 4 ports detected > > At first it is recognized as USB 2.0 device ie ehci_hcd driver but > ultimately becomes uhci_hcd device. It is this device > http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2329301&CatId=444 > > Maybe it is just a lousy device. Problem is I can't get a USB 2.0 web > camera to work properly with it. Can anyone recommend an an active USB > 2.0 extension that works with Linux . Eventually I need about 30 feet so > was hoping to use two of these. The literature says you can string up to > 5 together. I know my USB bus is ok since USB 2.0 hubs work ok and the > camera works ok when directly plugged into my computer. Any suggestions? > Eventually I will be hooking up 4 cameras. Have you considered doing: 15' USB cable connected to a powered USB2 hub, then another 15' cable and another powered hub? Looking at the reviews this product sounds rather flacky. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 4 17:11:09 2009 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:11:09 -0500 Subject: Trying to use active USB 2.0 extension cable. In-Reply-To: <20091204163807.GX761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <1259913847.4270.63.camel@jimslaptop> <20091204163807.GX761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <32f6a8880912040911h3b79479ds1e10e244b68bf59f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys, A friend of mine just showed me one of these devices: http://www.addonics.com/products/nas/nasu2.asp Not sure if it'll work for you, but from what I understand it turns any USB interface into a network interface, could you use this instead of a USB Cable? On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 03:04:07AM -0500, jim wrote: >> I'm trying to use an active USB 2.0 extension cable and it doesn't seem >> to be recognized properly. I'm using Ubuntu Jaunty ( unfotunately the >> modules are compiled into kernel or I'd try removing uhci_hcd) Below is >> dmesg output: >> >> usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9 >> hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 >> usb 6-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 >> usb 6-2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub >> usb 6-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice >> hub 6-2:1.0: USB hub found >> hub 6-2:1.0: 4 ports detected >> >> At first it is recognized as USB 2.0 device ie ehci_hcd driver but >> ultimately becomes uhci_hcd device. It is this device >> http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2329301&CatId=444 >> >> Maybe it is just a lousy device. Problem is I can't get a USB 2.0 web >> camera to work properly with it. Can anyone recommend an an active USB >> 2.0 extension that works with Linux . Eventually I need about 30 feet so >> was hoping to use two of these. The literature says you can string up to >> 5 together. I know my USB bus is ok since USB 2.0 hubs work ok and the >> camera works ok when directly plugged into my computer. Any suggestions? >> Eventually I will be hooking up 4 cameras. > > Have you considered doing: > > 15' USB cable connected to a powered USB2 hub, then another 15' cable > and another powered hub? > > Looking at the reviews this product sounds rather flacky. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 4 17:15:12 2009 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:15:12 -0500 Subject: Trying to use active USB 2.0 extension cable. In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880912040911h3b79479ds1e10e244b68bf59f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1259913847.4270.63.camel@jimslaptop> <20091204163807.GX761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880912040911h3b79479ds1e10e244b68bf59f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880912040915w65fef467y6b93dedababa1cdc@mail.gmail.com> Actually, it may only work on Hard Drives depending on the implementation..but I thought i'd mention it. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi Guys, > > A friend of mine just showed me one of these devices: > > http://www.addonics.com/products/nas/nasu2.asp > > Not sure if it'll work for you, but from what I understand it turns > any USB interface into a network interface, could you use this instead > of a USB Cable? > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 03:04:07AM -0500, jim wrote: >>> I'm trying to use an active USB 2.0 extension cable and it doesn't seem >>> to be recognized properly. I'm using Ubuntu Jaunty ( unfotunately the >>> modules are compiled into kernel or I'd try removing uhci_hcd) Below is >>> dmesg output: >>> >>> usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9 >>> hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 >>> usb 6-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 >>> usb 6-2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub >>> usb 6-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice >>> hub 6-2:1.0: USB hub found >>> hub 6-2:1.0: 4 ports detected >>> >>> At first it is recognized as USB 2.0 device ie ehci_hcd driver but >>> ultimately becomes uhci_hcd device. It is this device >>> http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2329301&CatId=444 >>> >>> Maybe it is just a lousy device. Problem is I can't get a USB 2.0 web >>> camera to work properly with it. Can anyone recommend an an active USB >>> 2.0 extension that works with Linux . Eventually I need about 30 feet so >>> was hoping to use two of these. The literature says you can string up to >>> 5 together. I know my USB bus is ok since USB 2.0 hubs work ok and the >>> camera works ok when directly plugged into my computer. Any suggestions? >>> Eventually I will be hooking up 4 cameras. >> >> Have you considered doing: >> >> 15' USB cable connected to a powered USB2 hub, then another 15' cable >> and another powered hub? >> >> Looking at the reviews this product sounds rather flacky. >> >> -- >> Len Sorensen >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > > > > Dave Germiquet > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 4 16:46:52 2009 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:46:52 -0500 Subject: Trying to use active USB 2.0 extension cable. In-Reply-To: <20091204163807.GX761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <1259913847.4270.63.camel@jimslaptop> <20091204163807.GX761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1259945212.18583.9.camel@jimslaptop> On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 11:38 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 03:04:07AM -0500, jim wrote: > > I'm trying to use an active USB 2.0 extension cable and it doesn't seem > > to be recognized properly. I'm using Ubuntu Jaunty ( unfotunately the > > modules are compiled into kernel or I'd try removing uhci_hcd) Below is > > dmesg output: > > > > usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9 > > hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 > > usb 6-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 > > usb 6-2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub > > usb 6-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice > > hub 6-2:1.0: USB hub found > > hub 6-2:1.0: 4 ports detected > > > > At first it is recognized as USB 2.0 device ie ehci_hcd driver but > > ultimately becomes uhci_hcd device. It is this device > > http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2329301&CatId=444 > > > > Maybe it is just a lousy device. Problem is I can't get a USB 2.0 web > > camera to work properly with it. Can anyone recommend an an active USB > > 2.0 extension that works with Linux . Eventually I need about 30 feet so > > was hoping to use two of these. The literature says you can string up to > > 5 together. I know my USB bus is ok since USB 2.0 hubs work ok and the > > camera works ok when directly plugged into my computer. Any suggestions? > > Eventually I will be hooking up 4 cameras. > > Have you considered doing: > > 15' USB cable connected to a powered USB2 hub, then another 15' cable > and another powered hub? > > Looking at the reviews this product sounds rather flacky. > Thanks Lennart . I wasn't sure if that was the same thing ie cable powered hub cable powered hub etc. Good idea. Maybe I'll try that next. I only looked at the product reviews after I bought them. Ya looks like it is a real dud from the reviews. jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 4 18:02:40 2009 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:02:40 -0500 Subject: Trying to use active USB 2.0 extension cable. In-Reply-To: <1259945212.18583.9.camel@jimslaptop> References: <1259913847.4270.63.camel@jimslaptop> <20091204163807.GX761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1259945212.18583.9.camel@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <1f13df280912041002h67d28edv5bd472f66eef58e7@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/4 jim : > On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 11:38 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 03:04:07AM -0500, jim wrote: >> > I'm trying to use an active USB 2.0 extension cable and it doesn't seem >> > to be recognized properly. I'm using Ubuntu Jaunty ( unfotunately the >> > modules are compiled into kernel or I'd try removing uhci_hcd) Below is >> > dmesg output: >> > >> > usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9 >> > hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 >> > usb 6-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 >> > usb 6-2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub >> > usb 6-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice >> > hub 6-2:1.0: USB hub found >> > hub 6-2:1.0: 4 ports detected >> > >> > At first it is recognized as USB 2.0 device ie ehci_hcd driver but >> > ultimately becomes uhci_hcd device. It is this device >> > http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2329301&CatId=444 >> > >> > Maybe it is just a lousy device. Problem is I can't get a USB 2.0 web >> > camera to work properly with it. Can anyone recommend an an active USB >> > 2.0 extension that works with Linux . Eventually I need about 30 feet so >> > was hoping to use two of these. The literature says you can string up to >> > 5 together. I know my USB bus is ok since USB 2.0 hubs work ok and the >> > camera works ok when directly plugged into my computer. Any suggestions? >> > Eventually I will be hooking up 4 cameras. >> >> Have you considered doing: >> >> 15' USB cable connected to a powered USB2 hub, then another 15' cable >> and another powered hub? >> >> Looking at the reviews this product sounds rather flacky. >> > Thanks Lennart . I wasn't sure if that was the same thing ie cable > powered hub cable powered hub etc. Good idea. Maybe I'll try that next. > I only looked at the product reviews after I bought them. Ya looks like > it is a real dud from the reviews. > jim By a bizarre co-incidence, I was poking around DealExtreme today and found this: http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6640 USB over RJ45. Reviews on the site are very good (and DealExtreme does allow negative reviews), except for the significant drawback that it runs at USB 1.0 speeds. Price is reasonable at $15US. I haven't used DealExtreme (they're in Hong Kong), but got the URL from a friend who has used them fairly frequently and reports them to be quite good. Not sure if this is helpful, but thought it was worth mentioning. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 4 17:42:44 2009 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:42:44 -0500 Subject: Trying to use active USB 2.0 extension cable. In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880912040915w65fef467y6b93dedababa1cdc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1259913847.4270.63.camel@jimslaptop> <20091204163807.GX761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <32f6a8880912040911h3b79479ds1e10e244b68bf59f@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880912040915w65fef467y6b93dedababa1cdc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1259948564.18583.13.camel@jimslaptop> > Actually, it may only work on Hard Drives depending on the > implementation..but I thought i'd mention it. Thanks yes there are a few USB to Ethernet devices that ook very cool but don't support full speed of USB 2.0. ie. http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3246389&CatId=444 Jim > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Dave Germiquet wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > A friend of mine just showed me one of these devices: > > > > http://www.addonics.com/products/nas/nasu2.asp > > > > Not sure if it'll work for you, but from what I understand it turns > > any USB interface into a network interface, could you use this instead > > of a USB Cable? > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Lennart Sorensen > > wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 03:04:07AM -0500, jim wrote: > >>> I'm trying to use an active USB 2.0 extension cable and it doesn't seem > >>> to be recognized properly. I'm using Ubuntu Jaunty ( unfotunately the > >>> modules are compiled into kernel or I'd try removing uhci_hcd) Below is > >>> dmesg output: > >>> > >>> usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9 > >>> hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 > >>> usb 6-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 > >>> usb 6-2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub > >>> usb 6-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice > >>> hub 6-2:1.0: USB hub found > >>> hub 6-2:1.0: 4 ports detected > >>> > >>> At first it is recognized as USB 2.0 device ie ehci_hcd driver but > >>> ultimately becomes uhci_hcd device. It is this device > >>> http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2329301&CatId=444 > >>> > >>> Maybe it is just a lousy device. Problem is I can't get a USB 2.0 web > >>> camera to work properly with it. Can anyone recommend an an active USB > >>> 2.0 extension that works with Linux . Eventually I need about 30 feet so > >>> was hoping to use two of these. The literature says you can string up to > >>> 5 together. I know my USB bus is ok since USB 2.0 hubs work ok and the > >>> camera works ok when directly plugged into my computer. Any suggestions? > >>> Eventually I will be hooking up 4 cameras. > >> > >> Have you considered doing: > >> > >> 15' USB cable connected to a powered USB2 hub, then another 15' cable > >> and another powered hub? > >> > >> Looking at the reviews this product sounds rather flacky. > >> > >> -- > >> Len Sorensen > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Dave Germiquet > > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 4 18:55:28 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:55:28 -0500 Subject: Trying to use active USB 2.0 extension cable. In-Reply-To: <1f13df280912041002h67d28edv5bd472f66eef58e7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1259913847.4270.63.camel@jimslaptop> <20091204163807.GX761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1259945212.18583.9.camel@jimslaptop> <1f13df280912041002h67d28edv5bd472f66eef58e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091204185528.GY761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 01:02:40PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > By a bizarre co-incidence, I was poking around DealExtreme today and found this: > > http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6640 > > USB over RJ45. Reviews on the site are very good (and DealExtreme > does allow negative reviews), except for the significant drawback that > it runs at USB 1.0 speeds. Price is reasonable at $15US. I haven't > used DealExtreme (they're in Hong Kong), but got the URL from a friend > who has used them fairly frequently and reports them to be quite good. > Not sure if this is helpful, but thought it was worth mentioning. Just remember that when you power one of these extenders by the usb port, that leaves a lot less power at the other end for your device. To some extent I think just using powered USB2 hubs with standard 15' cables will solve both problems at once. You get to where you want to get, while using standard supported usb parts, and you get a good feed of power to the end device (camreas in this case I guess). Almost certainly a power feed will be needed at the end of those other extenders anyhow, so why bother with them. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 4 19:04:12 2009 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:04:12 -0500 Subject: Trying to use active USB 2.0 extension cable. In-Reply-To: <20091204185528.GY761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <1259913847.4270.63.camel@jimslaptop> <20091204163807.GX761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1259945212.18583.9.camel@jimslaptop> <1f13df280912041002h67d28edv5bd472f66eef58e7@mail.gmail.com> <20091204185528.GY761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1259953452.18583.14.camel@jimslaptop> On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 13:55 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 01:02:40PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > > By a bizarre co-incidence, I was poking around DealExtreme today and found this: > > > > http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6640 > > > > USB over RJ45. Reviews on the site are very good (and DealExtreme > > does allow negative reviews), except for the significant drawback that > > it runs at USB 1.0 speeds. Price is reasonable at $15US. I haven't > > used DealExtreme (they're in Hong Kong), but got the URL from a friend > > who has used them fairly frequently and reports them to be quite good. > > Not sure if this is helpful, but thought it was worth mentioning. > > Just remember that when you power one of these extenders by the usb > port, that leaves a lot less power at the other end for your device. > To some extent I think just using powered USB2 hubs with standard 15' > cables will solve both problems at once. You get to where you want to > get, while using standard supported usb parts, and you get a good feed > of power to the end device (camreas in this case I guess). Almost > certainly a power feed will be needed at the end of those other extenders > anyhow, so why bother with them. > Thanks again. I'll go this route and let you know how it works out. Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 5 13:46:45 2009 From: edchin99-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (edward chin) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:46:45 -0500 Subject: Linux-compatable printer that won't gouge me on ink? In-Reply-To: <20091201013458.GA24808-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20091128183633.GA18942@waltdnes.org> <20091201013458.GA24808@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <8369b0fa0912050546g820780kc3eb51757deb8d0b@mail.gmail.com> I've been using a Brother HL-2040 for more than 2yrs with no problems except the occassional paper jam - caused by my use of a mixture of differing paper weights. (I reuse anything which is printed on one side only.) It cost under $100. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > ?As sort of a redux, Samsung appears to be the one with the fewest > horror stories, and the best linux compatability. ?I'll probably be > picking one up on the weekend. ?I'm out of town the next 3 days for > work-related meetings, so I won't be reading the list or answering it > till Thursday evening. > > -- > Walter Dnes > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tenger-P1ovA8G34VBEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 5 14:22:04 2009 From: tenger-P1ovA8G34VBEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org (Terrence Enger) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:22:04 -0500 Subject: [OT, WHIMSY] old experience with hardware, was Linux-compatible printer In-Reply-To: <8369b0fa0912050546g820780kc3eb51757deb8d0b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20091128183633.GA18942@waltdnes.org> <20091201013458.GA24808@waltdnes.org> <8369b0fa0912050546g820780kc3eb51757deb8d0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1260022924.18515.48.camel@cougar-hardy> On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 08:46 -0500, edward chin wrote: > I've been using a Brother HL-2040 for more than 2yrs with no problems > except the > occassional paper jam - caused by my use of a mixture of differing > paper weights. That reminds of when I was a computer operator. Yes, that really was my title, and I really had a glass room, so you can tell that it was a long time ago. The printer was a drum printer. It weighed about a ton and it had a powered mechanism to open and close the cover. It printed an amazing 132 columns on 15-inch continuous forms. In a push for economy, the company decided to reuse old reports by printing on the backside. A certain smartass, who will remain nameless to protect the guilty, pointed out that a lot of the reports printed down the left side of the page, so they could start from the other end and get two more passes. And if the ribbon was old--as it usually was--then they could put in a bright new ribbon and get four more passes on the same forms. Somehow nobody took me^H^H the guy seriously. In another economy move, the company tried using newsprint in this line printer. The number of paper jams in a 12-hour shift could almost reduce an operator to tears. The engineer responsible for maintaining the printer explained that this was not a problem, it was a feature. It was a special security feature for reports so secret that *nobody* was allowed to read them. Another time, the sweep amplifiers failed in the console CRT, reducing the display to about one square centimetre in the center of the tube. That same engineer extolled this behaviour as "a miracle of miniaturization". Cheers, Terry. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 5 16:13:58 2009 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:13:58 -0500 Subject: OT: Looking for help and volunteers In-Reply-To: <4B17038C.1000103-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B16E228.50102@gmail.com> <4B17038C.1000103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1A86C6.8020407@linuxcaffe.ca> Rajinder Yadav wrote: > I think something wonderful happens to people when they learn to start > giving and not taking, or giving more than taking, there is a sense of > pride and self worth that comes with it. If this can be instilled in > more people we should be better for it. In recent re-visit to heinous.org, I read this wonderful quote; "even if you have nothing left to lose, you still have something to give". I shore do miss that girl. Do you have a location for your meetup ? Did you know that part of linuxcaffes mandate is to host open-source related groups ? Well it's true, and you and your ruby droogs are invited. (TRUG used to meed here, till they dissipated) djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 5 16:17:31 2009 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 11:17:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Looking for help and volunteers In-Reply-To: <4B1A86C6.8020407-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B16E228.50102@gmail.com> <4B17038C.1000103@gmail.com> <4B1A86C6.8020407@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Dec 2009, David J Patrick wrote: > Do you have a location for your meetup ? > Did you know that part of linuxcaffes mandate is to host open-source related > groups ? Well it's true, and you and your ruby droogs are invited. (TRUG used ^^^^^^^^^^^ I like that - they should adopt that as an official term :) > to meed here, till they dissipated) Usergroups are like blackholes. Too small and they evaporate. Large enough and they will eventually consume the Universe. Cheers, Rob -- I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy http://www.practicalsysadmin.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 5 19:21:42 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:21:42 -0500 Subject: OT: Looking for help and volunteers In-Reply-To: <4B1A86C6.8020407-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B16E228.50102@gmail.com> <4B17038C.1000103@gmail.com> <4B1A86C6.8020407@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <4B1AB2C6.4010207@gmail.com> David J Patrick wrote: > Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> I think something wonderful happens to people when they learn to start >> giving and not taking, or giving more than taking, there is a sense of >> pride and self worth that comes with it. If this can be instilled in >> more people we should be better for it. > > In recent re-visit to heinous.org, I read this wonderful quote; > "even if you have nothing left to lose, you still have something to give". I love that, I am totally living that today! > > I shore do miss that girl. > > Do you have a location for your meetup ? we are having a (volunteer) meetup tomorrow sun @ 3pm at yorkdale mall in indigo, just to meet a few new faces and brainstorm I am desperately looking to find a meetup place, where we have have wifi, power and let people bring their laptop... I didn't even think about linuxcaffes, that is FREAKING AWESOME =) I will tell my "rubyist" Do Good'ers they are all welcome and we have a new home at the linuxcaffe. Partrick, thank you for the generous offer and help =) > Did you know that part of linuxcaffes mandate is to host open-source > related groups ? Well it's true, and you and your ruby droogs are > invited. (TRUG used to meed here, till they dissipated) > djp > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 5 20:19:22 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:19:22 -0500 Subject: OT: Looking for help and volunteers In-Reply-To: <4B1A86C6.8020407-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B16E228.50102@gmail.com> <4B17038C.1000103@gmail.com> <4B1A86C6.8020407@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <4B1AC04A.10405@gmail.com> David J Patrick wrote: > Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> I think something wonderful happens to people when they learn to start >> giving and not taking, or giving more than taking, there is a sense of >> pride and self worth that comes with it. If this can be instilled in >> more people we should be better for it. > > In recent re-visit to heinous.org, I read this wonderful quote; > "even if you have nothing left to lose, you still have something to give". > > I shore do miss that girl. just looking at her site and my heart feels heavy because she would have been an awesome person for me to know! > > Do you have a location for your meetup ? > Did you know that part of linuxcaffes mandate is to host open-source > related groups ? Well it's true, and you and your ruby droogs are > invited. (TRUG used to meed here, till they dissipated) > djp > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 5 21:22:34 2009 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:22:34 -0500 Subject: OT: Looking for help and volunteers In-Reply-To: <4B1AC04A.10405-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B16E228.50102@gmail.com> <4B17038C.1000103@gmail.com> <4B1A86C6.8020407@linuxcaffe.ca> <4B1AC04A.10405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1ACF1A.8060605@linuxcaffe.ca> Rajinder Yadav wrote: > David J Patrick wrote: >> I shore do miss that girl. > > just looking at her site and my heart feels heavy because she would have > been an awesome person for me to know! She was a true maveric, a babe, a superhacker, out-spoken and (a little too) adventurous. Let's establish a new GTAlug tradition in her honour; At beer, after the monthly TLUG snipe-fest, let us all raise our pitchers high and sing a song in her honour. any old song short and silly would do of that she would be proud djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 5 23:52:28 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:52:28 -0500 Subject: OT: Looking for help and volunteers In-Reply-To: <4B1ACF1A.8060605-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B16E228.50102@gmail.com> <4B17038C.1000103@gmail.com> <4B1A86C6.8020407@linuxcaffe.ca> <4B1AC04A.10405@gmail.com> <4B1ACF1A.8060605@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <4B1AF23C.1010401@alteeve.com> David J Patrick wrote: > Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> David J Patrick wrote: >>> I shore do miss that girl. >> >> just looking at her site and my heart feels heavy because she would >> have been an awesome person for me to know! > > She was a true maveric, a babe, a superhacker, out-spoken and (a little > too) adventurous. > > Let's establish a new GTAlug tradition in her honour; > > At beer, after the monthly TLUG snipe-fest, let us all raise our > pitchers high and sing a song in her honour. > > any old song > short and silly would do > > of that she would be proud > djp I propose "Barrett's Privateers". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett%27s_Privateers Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 6 00:58:39 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:58:39 -0500 Subject: OT: Looking for help and volunteers In-Reply-To: <4B1ACF1A.8060605-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B16E228.50102@gmail.com> <4B17038C.1000103@gmail.com> <4B1A86C6.8020407@linuxcaffe.ca> <4B1AC04A.10405@gmail.com> <4B1ACF1A.8060605@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <4B1B01BF.9080400@gmail.com> David J Patrick wrote: > Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> David J Patrick wrote: >>> I shore do miss that girl. >> >> just looking at her site and my heart feels heavy because she would >> have been an awesome person for me to know! > > She was a true maveric, a babe, a superhacker, out-spoken and (a little > too) adventurous. > > Let's establish a new GTAlug tradition in her honour; > > At beer, after the monthly TLUG snipe-fest, let us all raise our > pitchers high and sing a song in her honour. > > any old song > short and silly would do that sounds like a fun and great idea, someone pick a good song with lyrics, we can print it and all sing along at the next meetup when we go out for beers, I am in =) > > of that she would be proud > djp > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 6 01:18:27 2009 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:18:27 -0500 Subject: OT: Looking for help and volunteers In-Reply-To: <4B1AF23C.1010401-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B16E228.50102@gmail.com> <4B17038C.1000103@gmail.com> <4B1A86C6.8020407@linuxcaffe.ca> <4B1AC04A.10405@gmail.com> <4B1ACF1A.8060605@linuxcaffe.ca> <4B1AF23C.1010401@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B1B0663.7030507@linuxcaffe.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > I propose "Barrett's Privateers". good one, most suitable, as would be the Lumberjack Song. Lets change it up, maybe even work up a repetiore. Of Leahs many outstanding qualities, she had a freakish ability to memorize ditties, and could spew them by the hundreds ! I think a prerequisite is that whatever we choose, it should not be too profound and should be somewhat embarrassing to perform. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mrsabidel-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 6 03:46:54 2009 From: mrsabidel-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Abidel Bassie-Cripps) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:46:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Linux-compatable printer that won't gouge me on ink? In-Reply-To: <8369b0fa0912050546g820780kc3eb51757deb8d0b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20091128183633.GA18942@waltdnes.org> <20091201013458.GA24808@waltdnes.org> <8369b0fa0912050546g820780kc3eb51757deb8d0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <194950.52351.qm@web59512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> based on Ink, I found Brother to be very good for ubuntu and now I'm using a canon m190 from Walmart. no matter what, I use 123cartridge for my ink supplies hope that was helpful Abby ________________________________ From: edward chin To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 8:46:45 AM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Linux-compatable printer that won't gouge me on ink? I've been using a Brother HL-2040 for more than 2yrs with no problems except the occassional paper jam - caused by my use of a mixture of differing paper weights. (I reuse anything which is printed on one side only.) It cost under $100. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > As sort of a redux, Samsung appears to be the one with the fewest > horror stories, and the best linux compatability. I'll probably be > picking one up on the weekend. I'm out of town the next 3 days for > work-related meetings, so I won't be reading the list or answering it > till Thursday evening. > > -- > Walter Dnes > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 6 06:11:03 2009 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 01:11:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OT, WHIMSY] old experience with hardware, was Linux-compatible printer In-Reply-To: <1260022924.18515.48.camel@cougar-hardy> References: <20091128183633.GA18942@waltdnes.org> <20091201013458.GA24808@waltdnes.org> <8369b0fa0912050546g820780kc3eb51757deb8d0b@mail.gmail.com> <1260022924.18515.48.camel@cougar-hardy> Message-ID: | From: Terrence Enger | The printer was a drum printer. It weighed about a ton and it had a | powered mechanism to open and close the cover. It printed an amazing | 132 columns on 15-inch continuous forms. Are you sure that it didn't use a print train (or print chain)? That's what IBM 1403 printers used. http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/lineint.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1403 This first is slightly wrong. As it was explained to me back in the day, a print chain has the slugs linked together like links in a chain. In a print train, they run around in a track without being linked together. Now that I've added the wikipedia citation, I see that it says the same thing. IBM did produce drum printers but they were older and slower. Like the one in the IBM 407 or the IBM 1132 (really the same mechanism). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_407 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1132 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 6 12:14:24 2009 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 07:14:24 -0500 Subject: [OT, WHIMSY] old experience with hardware, was Linux-compatible printer In-Reply-To: References: <20091128183633.GA18942@waltdnes.org> <20091201013458.GA24808@waltdnes.org> <8369b0fa0912050546g820780kc3eb51757deb8d0b@mail.gmail.com> <1260022924.18515.48.camel@cougar-hardy> Message-ID: <4B1BA020.2020005@dinamis.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Are you sure that it didn't use a print train (or print chain)? > That's what IBM 1403 printers used. One of my brothers and I got a tour of the CN data centre in Moncton when I was in high school by the father of one of our schoolmates. He ran a program that played "Here Come the Saints" on the IBM chain printer. My brother and I thought it was pretty amusing but you can't entertain kids like that any more. :) -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tenger-P1ovA8G34VBEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 6 12:58:49 2009 From: tenger-P1ovA8G34VBEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org (Terrence Enger) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 07:58:49 -0500 Subject: [OT, WHIMSY] old experience with hardware, was Linux-compatible printer In-Reply-To: References: <20091128183633.GA18942@waltdnes.org> <20091201013458.GA24808@waltdnes.org> <8369b0fa0912050546g820780kc3eb51757deb8d0b@mail.gmail.com> <1260022924.18515.48.camel@cougar-hardy> Message-ID: <1260104329.18515.73.camel@cougar-hardy> On Sun, 2009-12-06 at 01:11 -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Are you sure that it didn't use a print train (or print chain)? > That's what IBM 1403 printers used. Do definitly a drum. It was 8 or 10 inches in diameter. The raised characters of the printable set were arranged around the circumference, and this was repeated 132 times at intervals of 1/10 inch along the length of the drum. Another classic feature was the forms control tape. I forget whether it was five- or seven-level. The company had a jig which held the tape and guided the hand-held punch as you punched out the requisite holes. Then you cut off a length of tape and glued it into a loop the length of the page. The bit positions--or was it the bit patterns?--in a column of the tape are what documentation refers to when it talks about "skip to channel number". The funny thing is that after somebody showed me how to prepare one of the tapes, nobody else in the installation would admit to knowing how to do it. Cheers, Terry. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 6 15:47:08 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:47:08 -0500 Subject: [OT, WHIMSY] old experience with hardware, was Linux-compatible printer In-Reply-To: <4B1BA020.2020005-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20091128183633.GA18942@waltdnes.org> <20091201013458.GA24808@waltdnes.org> <8369b0fa0912050546g820780kc3eb51757deb8d0b@mail.gmail.com> <1260022924.18515.48.camel@cougar-hardy> <4B1BA020.2020005@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <4B1BD1FC.5080602@rogers.com> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> Are you sure that it didn't use a print train (or print chain)? >> That's what IBM 1403 printers used. > > One of my brothers and I got a tour of the CN data centre in Moncton > when I was in high school by the father of one of our schoolmates. He > ran a program that played "Here Come the Saints" on the IBM chain > printer. My brother and I thought it was pretty amusing but you can't > entertain kids like that any more. :) Way back when I was a computer tech for CN Telecommunications/CNCP Telecommunications I serviced a couple of drum printers. One wned by CN and the other on the Air Canada reservation system. Both were located in the building at 151 Front St. W. The chain printers I worked with didn't have anywhere near the capacity of those drum printers. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From martjh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 6 19:50:53 2009 From: martjh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Martin) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:50:53 -0500 Subject: [OT, WHIMSY] old experience with hardware, was Linux-compatible printer In-Reply-To: <4B1BD1FC.5080602-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20091128183633.GA18942@waltdnes.org> <20091201013458.GA24808@waltdnes.org> <8369b0fa0912050546g820780kc3eb51757deb8d0b@mail.gmail.com> <1260022924.18515.48.camel@cougar-hardy> <4B1BA020.2020005@dinamis.com> <4B1BD1FC.5080602@rogers.com> Message-ID: <250f3b850912061150y5f2fe2dbjd3c0a23d463db2f1@mail.gmail.com> Showing my age here: I had the care and feeding of an IBM 1403 for six months in the early 70s as an operator at the Courtaulds Data Centre (IBM 360/20 installation) in Nottingham, England. Very impressive beast. A while later I moved to the Derby Data Centre. Seeing the same model running under DOS/GRASP knocked my socks off. The phrases 'cpu bound' and 'printer bound' come to mind. And Terry, I had the same experience with those stupid control tapes. Thanks everyone for the memories. John Martin On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:47 AM, James Knott wrote: > CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: >> >> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >>> >>> Are you sure that it didn't use a print train (or print chain)? >>> That's what IBM 1403 printers used. >> >> One of my brothers and I got a tour of the CN data centre in Moncton when >> I was in high school by the father of one of our schoolmates. He ran a >> program that played "Here Come the Saints" on the IBM chain printer. My >> brother and I thought it was pretty amusing but you can't entertain kids >> like that any more. :) > > Way back when I was a computer tech for CN Telecommunications/CNCP > Telecommunications I serviced a couple of drum printers. ?One wned by CN and > the other on the Air Canada reservation system. ?Both were located in the > building at 151 Front St. W. ?The chain printers I worked with didn't have > anywhere near the capacity of those drum printers. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 01:02:15 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:02:15 -0500 Subject: FreeNAS Switching From FreeBSD To Debian Linux Message-ID: <7c50d3570912061702n3ed5440kc8c42651a0b54fbe@mail.gmail.com> >From Slashdot (http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/06/152205/FreeNAS-Switching-From-FreeBSD-To-Debian-Linux): FreeNAS (http://www.freenas.org/), a popular, free NAS solution, is moving away from using FreeBSD as its underlying core OS and switching to Debian Linux. Version 0.8 of FreeNAS as well as all further releases are going to be based on Linux, while the FreeBSD-based 0.7 branch of FreeNAS is going into maintenance-only mode, according to main developer Volker Theile. A discussion about the switch, including comments from the developers, can be found on the FreeNAS SourceForge discussion forum (http://sourceforge.net/apps/phpbb/freenas/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3966&start=0). Some users applaud the change, which promises improved hardware compatibility, while others voice concerns regarding the future of their existing setups and lack of ZFS support in Linux. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 01:50:30 2009 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:50:30 -0500 Subject: FreeNAS Switching From FreeBSD To Debian Linux In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912061702n3ed5440kc8c42651a0b54fbe-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912061702n3ed5440kc8c42651a0b54fbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1C5F66.2090005@utoronto.ca> Michael Lauzon wrote: > Some users applaud the change, which promises improved hardware > compatibility, while others voice concerns regarding the future of > their existing setups and lack of ZFS support in Linux. Maybe Debian GNU/kFreeBSD will be a good compromise for the disgruntled users. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 15:34:17 2009 From: matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Matt Middleton) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:34:17 -0500 Subject: FreeNAS Switching From FreeBSD To Debian Linux In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912061702n3ed5440kc8c42651a0b54fbe-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912061702n3ed5440kc8c42651a0b54fbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091207103417.4f7ih4uf400gwwsw@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> Thanks for the heads-up! I'm running FreeNAS 0.7 at home, and while it works pretty well for most things, I might be interested in trying the LiveCD of 0.8 to see if it addresses a weird glitch I've run in to when accessing NTFS drives (still migrating my old data off the drives) Quoting Michael Lauzon : > From Slashdot > (http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/06/152205/FreeNAS-Switching-From-FreeBSD-To-Debian-Linux): > > FreeNAS (http://www.freenas.org/), a popular, free NAS solution, is > moving away from using FreeBSD as its underlying core OS and switching > to Debian Linux. Version 0.8 of FreeNAS as well as all further > releases are going to be based on Linux, while the FreeBSD-based 0.7 > branch of FreeNAS is going into maintenance-only mode, according to > main developer Volker Theile. A discussion about the switch, including > comments from the developers, can be found on the FreeNAS SourceForge > discussion forum > (http://sourceforge.net/apps/phpbb/freenas/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3966&start=0). > Some users applaud the change, which promises improved hardware > compatibility, while others voice concerns regarding the future of > their existing setups and lack of ZFS support in Linux. > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 16:06:36 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:06:36 -0500 Subject: FreeNAS Switching From FreeBSD To Debian Linux In-Reply-To: <4B1C5F66.2090005-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912061702n3ed5440kc8c42651a0b54fbe@mail.gmail.com> <4B1C5F66.2090005@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4B1D280C.4000200@rogers.com> Jamon Camisso wrote: > Michael Lauzon wrote: >> Some users applaud the change, which promises improved hardware >> compatibility, while others voice concerns regarding the future of >> their existing setups and lack of ZFS support in Linux. > > Maybe Debian GNU/kFreeBSD will be a good compromise for the > disgruntled users. > What about the gruntled users? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 17:44:08 2009 From: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ken Burtch) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:44:08 -0500 Subject: Slightly OT: Piers Anthony and Open Source Message-ID: <1260207848.11345.16.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Science fiction / fantasy author Piers Anthony occasionally writes about his experiences as a user trying to use open source and Linux. He mentions them again this month: "Several readers sent suggestions about fixing my capitalization problem in my last column, but none were on target. I finally managed to fix it myself by finding the "May I?" button. That's the one that's there solely to torpedo you when all you want to do is handle your project. I believe I have remarked before on my theory that Open Source is populated to an extent by refugees from Microsoft, who bring their bad habits with them. Such as contempt for clarity, simplicity, and user friendliness. In this case the May-I button is hidden in Formatting? AutoFormat?While Typing. Mine had gotten unchecked, and that cut out all of the AutoCorrect function. Why they don't have the AutoCorrect turnon with the AutoCorrect address?well, as I said, they don't seem to be interested in making it easy. In that vein: Ed Howdershelt, who came up and got me online a couple years ago, came up again to install the current version of Ubuntu, as he had a spare disk. I used Kubuntu for a year or so, preferring the KDE environment, but was willing to try this for the sake of OpenOffice 3. Ubuntu installed, but couldn't handle my modem. So we had to put the old Xandros back on, and it worked but all my defaults had been wiped, including my customized keyboard, and it was a hassle restoring them. Another week Ed came up again to try installing OpenOffice 3 directly on Xandros, but it wouldn't. It turns out that you can't get there from here; Xandros doesn't recognize the current OpenOffice. Apparently the Xandros folk don't much care about staying current with other open source software. This spells the likely conclusion of my association with Xandros. For too long it has teased me with its occasional shutdowns when I try to back up material, its refusal to recognize my printer directly, its turnoff of my keyboard when doing automatic backups so that I wind up with letters missing from words or commands, and its refusal to save my session setup for next time. It can do that last, as once every so often it does, but normally it doesn't, so that I have to take ten minutes each morning setting things up "by hand." Programs can do these things regularly, because prior programs did. I may try Ubuntu again and see if we can find a modem that will work with it. Or Kubuntu, the KDE environment variant I prefer, though when I used Kubuntu before it was incomplete in three sources we tried, as if they had never bothered to check it before distributing it. Another time he brought PCLinuxOS, that claims to be easy to install and full featured. But it wouldn't install. No error messages, no cautions; it recognized my system, it said it was installing, but then the screen went blank and activity stopped. That's par for this course. Another time we got a virus, so sought to install an online virus program; it said it was a 13 hour download, and it did tie up our phone line overnight. Then it said it was missing a file and wouldn't work. They couldn't have warned us before wasting all that time? That, too is par; it's why we don't much like online updating. It generally is complicated, ties up our phone for hours, and then doesn't work. So we bought Norton at a store, and it slows down our Windows system almost as much as the virus did; we have to turn it off to get things done. Don't get me started on why I don't much like Norton. And yes, I feel the whole hassle should be unnecessary. An open source operating system should address an open source modem and open source word processor without hassle. I guess I am still looking for the perfect Linux distribution that actually behaves the way it should: straightforward, full featured, reliable. But as I said above, about open source programmers, who seem determined to drive users back to Microsoft...Years ago in the local Linux users group someone said he wanted a system that worked out of the box, and two others bawled him out for even wanting it. Thereafter I tuned out of that organization, as it obviously did not represent folk like me who do want hassle-free performance. Are we that rare? So it seems I won't be able to upgrade unless I get a geek here to do it. How we miss Tim, who set up my present system years ago, before he died. If there's a geek within range of the Citrus County area who knows how to tame the balky tiger of my system on Linux, get in touch; we might be able to do some business. And no, they don't even offer broadband here in the hinterland; dial-up is us." His full December article is here: http://www.hipiers.com/newsletter.html -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone/Fax: 905-562-0848 "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org "Perl Phrasebook" Blog: http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 17:06:10 2009 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:06:10 -0500 Subject: TPL wireless & linux Message-ID: <1260205570.3662.14081.camel@gont> Hi folks, Have other people noticed that the Toronto Public Library wireless doesn't work for them? For me, the connection went fine, and I was assigned at 10.1 IP address; but use of the network requires you to check a box on a web page & then do a handshake which registers your MAC address with their routers. the web page won't load on my ubuntu machine; I had to call tech support (1-888-855-3555, if you're ever in this situation), and they just executed the handshake manually, because apparently 'there's a software problem and linux isn't supported.' After that my internet worked, and I found the following post somewhere else: ----------------------------------------------------------------- If spyders.local is a local network address, it might be a problem (or lack) of proper name lookup. Try enabling WINS name lookup as additional to standard DNS. In Ubuntu/Debian you would do this by installing the winbind packages, together with samba I think. Once winbind is up and running, add "wins" to the end of the "hosts:" line in /etc/nsswitch.conf. Like this: ***** /etc/nsswitch.conf ****** .... hosts files dns wins .... ******************************* You might need to restart your network or reboot, but IIRC it usually works right away. ------------------------------------------------------ I'm posting this here: 1 - to ask if this solution works for other people (I can't test it now -- my laptop's already registered here) 2 - to ask what this even *means* -- Why the heck wouldn't they just use DNS here? 3 - to make that 888 number available, if you don't want to have to mess about with your system to access a public service to which you're entitled and from which you absolutely shouldn't be excluded. Matt -- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyway, that said: i thought I had a line on a substantial supply, but my source has fallen through. So I'm putting out a general plea for hardware -- boxes, parts, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc... Meanwhile I'll keep plying my other connections as well. As always, thank you in advance to the list! you guys rock, Matt -- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 17:56:53 2009 From: matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Matt Middleton) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:56:53 -0500 Subject: Call for salvaged hardware! In-Reply-To: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> References: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> Message-ID: <20091207125653.8da76ol34w4gcoko@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> Hi Matt! That sounds like a fantastic program, and I've got some spare gear that I really do need to get rid of. It's not spectacular (among other things, an Athalon XP 1700+ with overclocking enabled), but you're welcome to it. Email me off-list to remind me, and I'll write up a list of the stuff I've got. Cheers! Matt Quoting Matt Price : > Hi folks, > > some of you may remember that years ago I taught a linux-focussed "build > your own computer" course using salvaged hardware. I'm reviving this > course in the new year at a downtown elementary school, and am looking > for parts for 15 or 16 systems that school kids will build up, install > ubuntu on, and learn to use. If it's successful, I'm hoping to expand > the program out into a bunch of neighbourhood schools, and maybe get a > kind of computer club going where kids learn a little bit of programming > and systems administrations. > > Anyway, that said: i thought I had a line on a substantial supply, but > my source has fallen through. So I'm putting out a general plea for > hardware -- boxes, parts, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc... Meanwhile > I'll keep plying my other connections as well. > > As always, thank you in advance to the list! you guys rock, > > Matt > > -- > Matt Price > matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 18:09:01 2009 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:09:01 -0500 Subject: Call for salvaged hardware! In-Reply-To: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> References: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> Message-ID: <200912071309.02036.icanprogram@295.ca> You might try this group. http://www.rcto.ca/Default.aspx I tried unsuccessfully a number of years back to get this group interested in Linux. bob On Monday 07 December 2009 12:52 pm, Matt Price wrote: > Hi folks, > > some of you may remember that years ago I taught a linux-focussed "build > your own computer" course using salvaged hardware. I'm reviving this > course in the new year at a downtown elementary school, and am looking > for parts for 15 or 16 systems that school kids will build up, install > ubuntu on, and learn to use. If it's successful, I'm hoping to expand > the program out into a bunch of neighbourhood schools, and maybe get a > kind of computer club going where kids learn a little bit of programming > and systems administrations. > > Anyway, that said: i thought I had a line on a substantial supply, but > my source has fallen through. So I'm putting out a general plea for > hardware -- boxes, parts, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc... Meanwhile > I'll keep plying my other connections as well. > > As always, thank you in advance to the list! you guys rock, > > Matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 18:52:49 2009 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:52:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Recommendation for personal CMS Message-ID: <55857.142.204.245.126.1260211969.squirrel@acheron.ss.org> I'm in the process of upgrading my personal website. Currently I statically compile the html pages using the Perl Template Toolkit. This allows me to write the content separately and keep them in separate files that get wrapped in the html template page before being put in the webservers directory. I'm looking for a small CMS or atleast a blog solution that will generate rss feeds. Tagging would be a plus. Recommendations? -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 18:56:59 2009 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:56:59 -0500 Subject: Recommendation for personal CMS In-Reply-To: <24787_1260211999_nB7IrJV6025558_55857.142.204.245.126.1260211969.squirrel-mb4phVZFrfSXFJAUJl40Xg@public.gmane.org> References: <24787_1260211999_nB7IrJV6025558_55857.142.204.245.126.1260211969.squirrel@acheron.ss.org> Message-ID: <4B1D4FFB.9030105@utoronto.ca> scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org wrote: > I'm in the process of upgrading my personal website. > > Currently I statically compile the html pages using the Perl Template > Toolkit. This allows me to write the content separately and keep them in > separate files that get wrapped in the html template page before being put > in the webservers directory. > > I'm looking for a small CMS or atleast a blog solution that will generate > rss feeds. > > Tagging would be a plus. > > Recommendations? If you like Perl, try http://www.blosxom.com. Only a little bit more overhead than your current setup. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 19:04:44 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:04:44 -0500 Subject: Recommendation for personal CMS In-Reply-To: <55857.142.204.245.126.1260211969.squirrel-mb4phVZFrfSXFJAUJl40Xg@public.gmane.org> References: <55857.142.204.245.126.1260211969.squirrel@acheron.ss.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:52 PM, wrote: > Recommendations? The system that looks rather interesting, in being distributed + lightweight, is ikiwiki, which is a "wiki compiler." Ikiwiki is a wiki compiler. It converts wiki pages into HTML pages suitable for publishing on a website. Ikiwiki stores pages and history in a revision control system such as Subversion or Git. There are many other features, including support for blogging, as well as a large array of plugins. They seem to be doing a reasonable "separation of concerns"... - SCM is separate from... - Compiler, is separate from... - Format of data (though see ) My web site is written in DocBook, which indicates a *very* different approach to structuring, so while I find ikiwiki interesting, I'll not be adopting it particularly soon :-(. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Charles de Gaulle - "The better I get to know men, the more I find myself loving dogs." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/charles_de_gaulle.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From pete-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 19:17:24 2009 From: pete-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Pete Lancashire) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:17:24 -0800 Subject: Call for salvaged hardware! In-Reply-To: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> References: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> Message-ID: <6c7f6fa8f33574b0941ab4692eb492ab.squirrel@petelancashire.com> Hello from a "foreigner", Isn't there anything like http://www.freegeek.org/ in TO ? Portland is like 1/10 the size of TO but at anyone time FreeGeek PC's ready to donate to schools or non profits. At times they have received 100's of identical PC's only 3 years old from Gov't/Corporation in Portland. -pete Born in TO. Live in Portland, Oregon In TO for Xmas and New Years > Hi folks, > > some of you may remember that years ago I taught a linux-focussed "build > your own computer" course using salvaged hardware. I'm reviving this > course in the new year at a downtown elementary school, and am looking > for parts for 15 or 16 systems that school kids will build up, install > ubuntu on, and learn to use. If it's successful, I'm hoping to expand > the program out into a bunch of neighbourhood schools, and maybe get a > kind of computer club going where kids learn a little bit of programming > and systems administrations. > > Anyway, that said: i thought I had a line on a substantial supply, but > my source has fallen through. So I'm putting out a general plea for > hardware -- boxes, parts, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc... Meanwhile > I'll keep plying my other connections as well. > > As always, thank you in advance to the list! you guys rock, > > Matt > > -- > Matt Price > matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 19:38:02 2009 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:38:02 -0500 Subject: Call for salvaged hardware! In-Reply-To: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> References: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> Message-ID: On 12/7/09, Matt Price wrote: > Hi folks, > > some of you may remember that years ago I taught a linux-focussed "build > your own computer" course using salvaged hardware. I'm reviving this > course in the new year at a downtown elementary school, and am looking > for parts for 15 or 16 systems that school kids will build up, install > ubuntu on, and learn to use. If it's successful, I'm hoping to expand > the program out into a bunch of neighbourhood schools, and maybe get a > kind of computer club going where kids learn a little bit of programming > and systems administrations. > > Anyway, that said: i thought I had a line on a substantial supply, but > my source has fallen through. So I'm putting out a general plea for > hardware -- boxes, parts, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc... Meanwhile > I'll keep plying my other connections as well. > > As always, thank you in advance to the list! you guys rock, > > Matt > > -- > Matt Price > matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Okay... I've been involved with Jon Alexander in doing some computer give-aways at a local food bank, where my role has been to do some introductory Linux education (the machines go out the door with Ubuntu installed). C. Martens in in the process of setting up something quasi-similar. Lee Andrew MacNeil is interested in other projects centred around keeping old machines out of landfills. So, what I see here is multiple projects looking at ways of helping people who need computers, get them free. So, next question, all these projects have an on-going need for computer equipment. Question is, how can these projects and people help each other? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 19:52:05 2009 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:52:05 -0500 Subject: TPL wireless & linux In-Reply-To: <1260205570.3662.14081.camel@gont> References: <1260205570.3662.14081.camel@gont> Message-ID: <1f13df280912071152j5b787705u21754b414b092285@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/7 Matt Price : > Have other people noticed that the Toronto Public Library wireless > doesn't work for them? ?For me, the connection went fine, and I was > assigned at 10.1 IP address; but use of the network requires you to > check a box on a web page & then do a handshake which registers your MAC > address with their routers. ?the web page won't load on my ubuntu > machine; I had to call tech support (1-888-855-3555, if you're ever in > this situation), and they just executed the handshake manually, because > apparently 'there's a software problem and linux isn't supported.' > > After that my internet worked, and I found the following post somewhere > else: > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > If spyders.local is a local network address, it might be a problem (or > lack) of proper name lookup. Try enabling WINS name lookup as additional > to standard DNS. > > In Ubuntu/Debian you would do this by installing the winbind packages, > together with samba I think. Once winbind is up and running, add "wins" > to the end of the "hosts:" line in /etc/nsswitch.conf. Like this: > ***** /etc/nsswitch.conf ****** > .... > hosts files dns wins > .... > ******************************* > You might need to restart your network or reboot, but IIRC it usually > works right away. > ------------------------------------------------------ > I'm posting this here: > 1 - to ask if this solution works for other people (I can't test it now > -- my laptop's already registered here) > 2 - to ask what this even *means* -- Why the heck wouldn't they just use > DNS here? > 3 - to make that 888 number available, if you don't want to have to mess > about with your system to access a public service to which you're > entitled and from which you absolutely shouldn't be excluded. As far as I can tell Spyders made some fairly significant change very recently. (I'm working on a Debian-testing netbook.) I first noticed it at Guildwood library on Saturday, where I saw that they're now using a self-signed cert. That's going to lead to tears: Firefox whines about it so much that it's going to freak out the 30-50% of their users who use FF. I think I got on the internet fine after that, but today at North York Central I got the same complaining about a cert (I thought I had added it permanently?) and I couldn't get connected. I didn't investigate further. Being a TPL (but not a Spyders) employee, I'm going to watch this with some interest. I entirely agree: if Winbind is required, that's a huge problem. How would a Mac handle that? -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From pete-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 20:09:05 2009 From: pete-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Pete Lancashire) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:09:05 -0800 Subject: [OT, WHIMSY] old experience with hardware, was Linux-compatible printer In-Reply-To: <1260104329.18515.73.camel@cougar-hardy> References: <20091128183633.GA18942@waltdnes.org> <20091201013458.GA24808@waltdnes.org> <8369b0fa0912050546g820780kc3eb51757deb8d0b@mail.gmail.com> <1260022924.18515.48.camel@cougar-hardy> <1260104329.18515.73.camel@cougar-hardy> Message-ID: <3e256fcbb51629c42fac479aa4e08b7f.squirrel@petelancashire.com> > On Sun, 2009-12-06 at 01:11 -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > >> Are you sure that it didn't use a print train (or print chain)? >> That's what IBM 1403 printers used. > > Do definitly a drum. It was 8 or 10 inches in diameter. The raised > characters of the printable set were arranged around the circumference, > and this was repeated 132 times at intervals of 1/10 inch along the > length of the drum. [warning showing age] Not sure about the diameter but Burroughs had a drum printer that with a upper case drum could do either 900 or 1,100 lines per minute. It optionally had a power driven lid. The down side was the print quality sucked and it did not like recycled green bar. If you had a bunch of pages in a row that only had a few lines and were spitting out pages 2-3 a second the power driven paper stacker got unhappy and you had a mess on your hands real fast. Their answer to the 1403 came out much later it was a train printer that I can't remember if it had a power driven lid. The ones I used didn't. and so that not totally off topic, in Linux old days I built a Linux based print server to drive five Dataproducts B600's (600 lines per minute) which printed invoices all day long. It was a 80386 with I think 8 Megs of RAM, 1 GB disk, 10 Mbs Ethernet and a SNA port. It replaced a a box that was costing the place I did it for $1,500 a month. -pete also an antique > > Another classic feature was the forms control tape. I forget whether it > was five- or seven-level. The company had a jig which held the tape and > guided the hand-held punch as you punched out the requisite holes. Then > you cut off a length of tape and glued it into a loop the length of the > page. The bit positions--or was it the bit patterns?--in a column of > the tape are what documentation refers to when it talks about "skip to > channel number". > > The funny thing is that after somebody showed me how to prepare one of > the tapes, nobody else in the installation would admit to knowing how to > do it. > > Cheers, > Terry. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddy-5sHjOODPK7E at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 19:58:35 2009 From: teddy-5sHjOODPK7E at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:58:35 -0500 Subject: velociraptor 10k Message-ID: <4B1D5E6B.4030908@tmis.ca> started using some 10K velociraptor drives today. these things can move some data. http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?DriveID=459 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 20:21:56 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:21:56 -0500 Subject: velociraptor 10k In-Reply-To: <4B1D5E6B.4030908-5sHjOODPK7E@public.gmane.org> References: <4B1D5E6B.4030908@tmis.ca> Message-ID: <20091207202156.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 02:58:35PM -0500, teddy mills wrote: > started using some 10K velociraptor drives today. > these things can move some data. > http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?DriveID=459 I think SSDs might kill them off soon. They are awfully expensive for their size, and SSDs are faster. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 20:22:18 2009 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:22:18 -0500 Subject: velociraptor 10k In-Reply-To: <20091207202156.GZ761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B1D5E6B.4030908@tmis.ca> <20091207202156.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B1D63FA.9020703@utoronto.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 02:58:35PM -0500, teddy mills wrote: >> started using some 10K velociraptor drives today. >> these things can move some data. >> http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?DriveID=459 > > I think SSDs might kill them off soon. They are awfully expensive for > their size, and SSDs are faster. Price per gb isn't quite there yet, but it won't be too much longer. I just put in a 64GB SSD into my desktop for ~$220 and I'm never going back to platters again. Best upgrade ever. Period. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 20:47:19 2009 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:47:19 -0500 Subject: OT: Need a new computer Message-ID: <20091207204719.GA5218@yam.witteman.ca> My desktop is acting more and more strangely, and it may be time for an upgrade - unfortunately, it is a cute, tiny unit that is not upgrade/fix-able, so I may need to start over. If you were trying to *cheaply* get a Linux-compatible desktop together that I won't have to think about for another 4+ years, what would you get? I would like to get something for under $400, taxes in. I would prefer dual core, but the most CPU-intensive thing my machine is used for is Flash video (which is a lot, for no good reason). 2D graphics are fine. This computer from Filtech looks reasonable: Weekly Special B $289.99 Intel E5200 Dual Core 2.5GHz Asus P5KPL-AM SE M/B Integrated Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (Intel? GMA 3100) O/B Kingston 1G DDR2-667 Seagate/WD 80G SATA2 HDD LG or Eq. DVD-RW ATX Case A601 w/420W I know that the CPU is a bit limited, but it will probably be fine (web development, Python scripts and minor statistical number crunching will be just fine). The MB is ASUS, which I like, and the video card should be easy to support - the only downside is that the PSU and case are likely going to be cheap, but I can't have *everything*. Any other suggestions? -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From pete-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 21:15:12 2009 From: pete-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Pete Lancashire) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:15:12 -0800 Subject: OT: Need a new computer In-Reply-To: <20091207204719.GA5218-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20091207204719.GA5218@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <74324c0794c33839ab330de9173f9217.squirrel@petelancashire.com> How much stats crunching ? I've been playing around with using the GPU for such and if it is something your into, I would look for a GPU that has an open API/Toolkit. -pete > My desktop is acting more and more strangely, and it may be time for an > upgrade - unfortunately, it is a cute, tiny unit that is not > upgrade/fix-able, so I may need to start over. > > If you were trying to *cheaply* get a Linux-compatible desktop together > that I won't have to think about for another 4+ years, what would you > get? > > I would like to get something for under $400, taxes in. > > I would prefer dual core, but the most CPU-intensive thing my machine is > used for is Flash video (which is a lot, for no good reason). > > 2D graphics are fine. This computer from Filtech looks reasonable: > > Weekly Special B > $289.99 > Intel E5200 Dual Core 2.5GHz > Asus P5KPL-AM SE M/B > Integrated Intel Graphics Media Accelerator > (Intel? GMA 3100) O/B > Kingston 1G DDR2-667 > Seagate/WD 80G SATA2 HDD > LG or Eq. DVD-RW > ATX Case A601 w/420W > > I know that the CPU is a bit limited, but it will probably be fine (web > development, Python scripts and minor statistical number crunching will > be just fine). The MB is ASUS, which I like, and the video card should > be easy to support - the only downside is that the PSU and case are > likely going to be cheap, but I can't have *everything*. > > Any other suggestions? > -- > > yours, > > William > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 21:24:48 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:24:48 -0500 Subject: velociraptor 10k In-Reply-To: <4B1D63FA.9020703-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B1D5E6B.4030908@tmis.ca> <20091207202156.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1D63FA.9020703@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20091207212448.GA761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 03:22:18PM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 02:58:35PM -0500, teddy mills wrote: >>> started using some 10K velociraptor drives today. >>> these things can move some data. >>> http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?DriveID=459 >> >> I think SSDs might kill them off soon. They are awfully expensive for >> their size, and SSDs are faster. > > Price per gb isn't quite there yet, but it won't be too much longer. I > just put in a 64GB SSD into my desktop for ~$220 and I'm never going > back to platters again. Best upgrade ever. Period. Well the raptor is around $1/GB. The SSD is maybe $4/GB. Given the SSD is faster and has way lower latency, isn't it worth the extra cost? After all you are already paying a huge premium on the raptor compared to the $0.10/GB of a regular high performance HD. After all if you are willing to pay 10 times as much to reduce the latency by perhaps half, would you not be willing to pay 4 times as much to reduce it by a much much larger factor? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 21:31:48 2009 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:31:48 -0500 Subject: OT: Need a new computer In-Reply-To: <74324c0794c33839ab330de9173f9217.squirrel-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20091207204719.GA5218@yam.witteman.ca> <74324c0794c33839ab330de9173f9217.squirrel@petelancashire.com> Message-ID: <20091207213148.GA5682@yam.witteman.ca> On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 01:15:12PM -0800, Pete Lancashire wrote: >How much stats crunching ? I've been playing around with using the GPU >for such and if it is something your into, I would look for a GPU that >has an open API/Toolkit. Not that much, I do some weird boot-strappy stuff that takes a little while to "produce" more data, but then the crunching is pretty fast. If I have anything heavy I start up a AWS high-memory instance and it gets taken care of pretty quick. This is a browse web/watch videos desktop for the most part. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 7 22:12:29 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:12:29 -0500 Subject: OT: Need a new computer In-Reply-To: <20091207204719.GA5218-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20091207204719.GA5218@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20091207221229.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 03:47:19PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > My desktop is acting more and more strangely, and it may be time for an > upgrade - unfortunately, it is a cute, tiny unit that is not > upgrade/fix-able, so I may need to start over. > > If you were trying to *cheaply* get a Linux-compatible desktop together > that I won't have to think about for another 4+ years, what would you > get? > > I would like to get something for under $400, taxes in. I would save my money until I could afford something that would last. > I would prefer dual core, but the most CPU-intensive thing my machine is > used for is Flash video (which is a lot, for no good reason). > > 2D graphics are fine. This computer from Filtech looks reasonable: > > Weekly Special B > $289.99 > Intel E5200 Dual Core 2.5GHz > Asus P5KPL-AM SE M/B > Integrated Intel Graphics Media Accelerator > (Intel? GMA 3100) O/B > Kingston 1G DDR2-667 > Seagate/WD 80G SATA2 HDD Good grief, an 80GB drive costs like $5 less than a 160GB. Way to cut stupid corners for a price point. Where did they even find one? 160GB WD: $51 320GB WD: $54 500GB WD: $61 640GB WD: $66 Notice how many dollers it cost to go from 160 to 640? Would you save $15 for a 75% drop in disk space? The 80GB is just a couple of dollers less and even worse of a deal. Same for the slowpoke 667 DDR2 ram, and only 1GB? I have bouthgt 4GB kits of DDR2-800 for $50 or so. Avoid the Pentium Dual Core in my opinion. It is a seriously low end chip with none of the new features. Some of those new features can be really handy. I can't imagine buying a machine without VT support anymore. > LG or Eq. DVD-RW > ATX Case A601 w/420W > > I know that the CPU is a bit limited, but it will probably be fine (web > development, Python scripts and minor statistical number crunching will > be just fine). The MB is ASUS, which I like, and the video card should > be easy to support - the only downside is that the PSU and case are > likely going to be cheap, but I can't have *everything*. > > Any other suggestions? Stay away from "specials". Their only purpose is to get rid of leftover junk no one in their right mind would buy anymore. The nicest budget machine I have ever built was when a friend really wanted a new gaming machine but for cheap. It came in around $800 and was certainly not top of the line for gaming, but it was probably within 50% of the top performance which was a lot less money wasn't bad. Basics needed: 640GB WD: $66 Case: Whatever you like Powersupply: Something good around 500W. Expect around $90. Silencer 500W or TurboCool 510W are nice reliable models. Video card: If you don't need much, you can find lots of nice nvidia cards for about $50 to $60. DVD: $30 LG or whatever you like. Mouse,keyboard: whatever you like Total: $300 or so for the base stuff Either obsolete dual core: Mushkin EM2-6400 DDR2-800 4GB: $100 Core 2 E7600 (or E7500 or E7400 if you can find the model with VT since it doesn't cost extra): $160. Asus P5QL/EPU: $93 Total: $353 on top of the base. Or modern quad core: Intel Core i5 750: $230 Asus P7P55D LE: $140 G.Skill 2x2GB DDR3-10666: $100 Total: $470 on top of the base. So for $700 to $800 or so you can get a modern CPU, 4GB of fast ram, 640GB disk space, dedicated video, high quality parts, rather than the cheapest parts that could be put in a case to build a "working" computer. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 00:14:52 2009 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:14:52 -0500 Subject: Call for salvaged hardware! In-Reply-To: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> References: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> Message-ID: <20091208001452.GA13710@watson-wilon.ca> Hi, I have a old dual Athlon box and a 17inch crt. Both are in good working order. I'm in Markham. -- Neil Watson Linux/UNIX Consultant http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 01:35:16 2009 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:35:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: TPL wireless & linux In-Reply-To: <1f13df280912071152j5b787705u21754b414b092285-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912071152j5b787705u21754b414b092285@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <194719.67791.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Giles Orr wrote: > From: Giles Orr > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: TPL wireless & linux > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Monday, December 7, 2009, 2:52 PM > 2009/12/7 Matt Price : > > Have other people noticed that the Toronto Public > Library wireless > > doesn't work for them? For me, the connection went > fine, and I was > > assigned at 10.1 IP address; but use of the network > requires you to > > check a box on a web page & then do a handshake > which registers your MAC > > address with their routers. the web page won't load > on my ubuntu > > machine; I had to call tech support (1-888-855-3555, > if you're ever in > > this situation), and they just executed the handshake > manually, because > > apparently 'there's a software problem and linux isn't > supported.' > > > > After that my internet worked, and I found the > following post somewhere > > else: > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > If spyders.local is a local network address, it might > be a problem (or > > lack) of proper name lookup. Try enabling WINS name > lookup as additional > > to standard DNS. > > > > In Ubuntu/Debian you would do this by installing the > winbind packages, > > together with samba I think. Once winbind is up and > running, add "wins" > > to the end of the "hosts:" line in /etc/nsswitch.conf. > Like this: > > ***** /etc/nsswitch.conf ****** > > .... > > hosts files dns wins > > .... > > ******************************* > > You might need to restart your network or reboot, but > IIRC it usually > > works right away. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > I'm posting this here: > > 1 - to ask if this solution works for other people (I > can't test it now > > -- my laptop's already registered here) > > 2 - to ask what this even *means* -- Why the heck > wouldn't they just use > > DNS here? > > 3 - to make that 888 number available, if you don't > want to have to mess > > about with your system to access a public service to > which you're > > entitled and from which you absolutely shouldn't be > excluded. > > As far as I can tell Spyders made some fairly significant > change very > recently. (I'm working on a Debian-testing > netbook.) I first noticed > it at Guildwood library on Saturday, where I saw that > they're now > using a self-signed cert. That's going to lead to > tears: Firefox > whines about it so much that it's going to freak out the > 30-50% of > their users who use FF. I think I got on the internet > fine after > that, but today at North York Central I got the same > complaining about > a cert (I thought I had added it permanently?) and I > couldn't get > connected. I didn't investigate further. Being > a TPL (but not a > Spyders) employee, I'm going to watch this with some > interest. I > entirely agree: if Winbind is required, that's a huge > problem. How > would a Mac handle that? > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- I have been using TPL wireless with Ubuntu 6.06 without problem. I use both firefox and w3m to sign up with Spyder and everything works fine. The page loads and the handshake goes well. HTH EK > The Toronto Linux Users Group. > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 02:31:56 2009 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:31:56 -0500 Subject: google wave In-Reply-To: References: <4B0ABA47.6020605@alteeve.com> <4B0B1945.9000302@utoronto.ca> <250f3b850911231624w326fcf17v700c7d12cc24b002@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1260239516.3662.15624.camel@gont> I have a tonne of invites, too. i agree with madi, though -- (a) everyone who wants one pretty much has it already, and (b) it's pretty frustrating to use so far. Though I think that's partly because it really does have a lot of promise. matt On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 00:50 -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > On 2009-11-23, John Martin wrote: > > I'd love one. Thanks if you can spare one. -j > > Sent. It may take time for it to get set up.... -- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 02:43:47 2009 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:43:47 -0500 Subject: Call for salvaged hardware! In-Reply-To: <200912071309.02036.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> <200912071309.02036.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <1260240227.3662.15694.camel@gont> On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 13:09 -0500, bob 295 wrote: > You might try this group. > > http://www.rcto.ca/Default.aspx > > I tried unsuccessfully a number of years back to get this group interested in > Linux. > i'll do that. thanks for the suggestion! matt > bob > > > On Monday 07 December 2009 12:52 pm, Matt Price wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > some of you may remember that years ago I taught a linux-focussed "build > > your own computer" course using salvaged hardware. I'm reviving this > > course in the new year at a downtown elementary school, and am looking > > for parts for 15 or 16 systems that school kids will build up, install > > ubuntu on, and learn to use. If it's successful, I'm hoping to expand > > the program out into a bunch of neighbourhood schools, and maybe get a > > kind of computer club going where kids learn a little bit of programming > > and systems administrations. > > > > Anyway, that said: i thought I had a line on a substantial supply, but > > my source has fallen through. So I'm putting out a general plea for > > hardware -- boxes, parts, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc... Meanwhile > > I'll keep plying my other connections as well. > > > > As always, thank you in advance to the list! you guys rock, > > > > Matt > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 02:44:58 2009 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:44:58 -0500 Subject: Call for salvaged hardware! In-Reply-To: <6c7f6fa8f33574b0941ab4692eb492ab.squirrel-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> <6c7f6fa8f33574b0941ab4692eb492ab.squirrel@petelancashire.com> Message-ID: <1260240298.3662.15704.camel@gont> On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 11:17 -0800, Pete Lancashire wrote: > Hello from a "foreigner", > > Isn't there anything like http://www.freegeek.org/ in TO ? > > Portland is like 1/10 the size of TO but at anyone time FreeGeek > PC's ready to donate to schools or non profits. At times they > have received 100's of identical PC's only 3 years old from > Gov't/Corporation in Portland. > I think Colin's answer is better than whaat I could give -- as i iunderstand it, there isn't really anything yet, but there might be soon. portland's got all this *real estate* which is harder to find i n downtown TO, though. m > -pete > > Born in TO. Live in Portland, Oregon > In TO for Xmas and New Years > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > some of you may remember that years ago I taught a linux-focussed "build > > your own computer" course using salvaged hardware. I'm reviving this > > course in the new year at a downtown elementary school, and am looking > > for parts for 15 or 16 systems that school kids will build up, install > > ubuntu on, and learn to use. If it's successful, I'm hoping to expand > > the program out into a bunch of neighbourhood schools, and maybe get a > > kind of computer club going where kids learn a little bit of programming > > and systems administrations. > > > > Anyway, that said: i thought I had a line on a substantial supply, but > > my source has fallen through. So I'm putting out a general plea for > > hardware -- boxes, parts, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc... Meanwhile > > I'll keep plying my other connections as well. > > > > As always, thank you in advance to the list! you guys rock, > > > > Matt > > > > -- > > Matt Price > > matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 03:37:48 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:37:48 -0500 Subject: Call for salvaged hardware! In-Reply-To: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> References: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> Message-ID: <4B1DCA0C.7000206@gmail.com> Matt Price wrote: > Hi folks, > > some of you may remember that years ago I taught a linux-focussed "build > your own computer" course using salvaged hardware. I'm reviving this > course in the new year at a downtown elementary school, and am looking > for parts for 15 or 16 systems that school kids will build up, install > ubuntu on, and learn to use. If it's successful, I'm hoping to expand > the program out into a bunch of neighbourhood schools, and maybe get a > kind of computer club going where kids learn a little bit of programming > and systems administrations. > > Anyway, that said: i thought I had a line on a substantial supply, but > my source has fallen through. So I'm putting out a general plea for > hardware -- boxes, parts, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc... Meanwhile > I'll keep plying my other connections as well. > > As always, thank you in advance to the list! you guys rock, > > Matt > Matt, if possible and time permitting on my side I would love to get involved with your program. The initiative I am working for with DevMentor.org, one of the things near and dear to my heart is helping our young kids to learn and empower them with knowledge! You can ping me at info-Jh1nsjtb8cBrovVCs/uTlw at public.gmane.org -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 03:42:14 2009 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:42:14 -0500 Subject: Call for salvaged hardware! In-Reply-To: References: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> Message-ID: <1260243734.3662.16067.camel@gont> On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 14:38 -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > On 12/7/09, Matt Price wrote: > > some of you may remember that years ago I taught a linux-focussed "build > > your own computer" course using salvaged hardware. I'm reviving this > > course in the new year at a downtown elementary school, and am looking > > for parts for 15 or 16 systems that school kids will build up, install > > ubuntu on, and learn to use. If it's successful, I'm hoping to expand > > the program out into a bunch of neighbourhood schools, and maybe get a > > kind of computer club going where kids learn a little bit of programming > > and systems administrations. > > > > Anyway, that said: i thought I had a line on a substantial supply, but > > my source has fallen through. So I'm putting out a general plea for > > hardware -- boxes, parts, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc... Meanwhile > > I'll keep plying my other connections as well. > > > Okay... > > I've been involved with Jon Alexander in doing some computer > give-aways at a local food bank, where my role has been to do some > introductory Linux education (the machines go out the door with Ubuntu > installed). C. Martens in in the process of setting up something > quasi-similar. Lee Andrew MacNeil is interested in other projects > centred around keeping old machines out of landfills. > > So, what I see here is multiple projects looking at ways of helping > people who need computers, get them free. So, next question, all these > projects have an on-going need for computer equipment. Question is, > how can these projects and people help each other? Colin, I think you're asking a really important question. I was just talking to John this afternoon about this very thing -- the proliferation of similar projects that's happening right now (and I'd actually include things like Hacklab in this list, too, even if its focus is a little bit further out from the central cluster that binds the rest of us together). I think we should think about trying to work together, at least in a loose, informal way; and about what the precise scope and ambition of each project is, and how we might support each other. I'd really like to hear what other people have to say. Thanks for raising this issue, Colin! Matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 06:29:49 2009 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:29:49 -0500 Subject: OT: Need a new computer In-Reply-To: <20091207221229.GB761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20091207204719.GA5218@yam.witteman.ca> <20091207221229.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20091208062949.GA2696@yam.witteman.ca> On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 05:12:29PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> I would like to get something for under $400, taxes in. > >I would save my money until I could afford something that would last. I understand the sentiment, but I am just finishing a major, unplanned home renovation, and my current computer shuts down if I launch X. Waiting is not looking favourable. Doubling my budget is not very exciting. Also, I am not inclined to build a machine from parts myself - I don't do it often (i.e. not in years) and you can introduce major problems by doing it wrong. I need a machine in the very near future that just works out of the box. To give you an idea of how much I need a machine that just works, I see that I can get a Mac Mini for $649, and I would be up and running (browsing and video) inside of an hour. When I have more time, I can configure Boot Camp and run Linux on it. >Avoid the Pentium Dual Core in my opinion. It is a seriously low end >chip with none of the new features. Some of those new features can be >really handy. I can't imagine buying a machine without VT support >anymore. I'm not sure what VT support is (virtualization, right?), and I'm willing to bet it wouldn't make YouTube run faster. I don't play games, I don't transcode video, I don't even use OpenOffice more than twice a year. Firefox, vim, Python, vlc, miro, mutt - that's what my home machine does. I appreciate your advice, but there's no way I can build a machine, and if some store is willing to do it out of adequate parts, that may be the way I need to go. The downside to the Mac Mini is that I am less likely to upgrade it, whereas if I get a PC, I can upgrade bits as appropriate - swapping RAM, drives is no problem, but I am unwilling to seat a new CPU without adult supervision. The upside of the Mac Mini is that it is small, quiet and adequate. (There's no way I'm paying for Windows, btw, so most other store-bought machines are not feasible.) -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 11:04:33 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:04:33 -0500 Subject: Free Linux Books Online Message-ID: <7c50d3570912080304p7c05e5bagff9d5cd9b0f7b508@mail.gmail.com> Don't know how many of you know about this, but I just found it today, so it's new to me, here's the link: http://www.linux.org/docs/online_books.html -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 11:51:43 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:51:43 -0500 Subject: Free Linux Books Online In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912080304p7c05e5bagff9d5cd9b0f7b508-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912080304p7c05e5bagff9d5cd9b0f7b508@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1E3DCF.1060307@gmail.com> Michael Lauzon wrote: > Don't know how many of you know about this, but I just found it today, > so it's new to me, here's the link: > > http://www.linux.org/docs/online_books.html > Nice! Thanks for sharing =) -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 12:02:51 2009 From: rpjday-L09J2beyid0N/H6P543EQg at public.gmane.org (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:02:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Free Linux Books Online In-Reply-To: <4B1E3DCF.1060307-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912080304p7c05e5bagff9d5cd9b0f7b508@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E3DCF.1060307@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Michael Lauzon wrote: > > Don't know how many of you know about this, but I just found it today, > > so it's new to me, here's the link: > > > > http://www.linux.org/docs/online_books.html > > > Nice! Thanks for sharing =) not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but that list is a bit lame. some of those aren't really "books" in the strict "book" sense -- they're online guides or tutorials which, while valuable in their own right, aren't "books." that list also has some fairly serious omissions, like greg kh's "linux kernel in a nutshell", found here: http://www.kroah.com/lkn/. or the entire online "subversion" book. perhaps an updated form of that list would be useful. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday ======================================================================== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 12:08:33 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:08:33 -0500 Subject: Free Linux Books Online In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3570912080304p7c05e5bagff9d5cd9b0f7b508@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E3DCF.1060307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912080408w58dedfb1ve54ede9e6328ea8b@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 07:02, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > ?not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but that list is a bit lame. > some of those aren't really "books" in the strict "book" sense -- > they're online guides or tutorials which, while valuable in their own > right, aren't "books." > > ?that list also has some fairly serious omissions, like greg kh's > "linux kernel in a nutshell", found here: http://www.kroah.com/lkn/. > or the entire online "subversion" book. ?perhaps an updated form of > that list would be useful. > > rday > So, why not email the site's admins, and let them know stuff like that. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tenger-P1ovA8G34VBEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 12:53:14 2009 From: tenger-P1ovA8G34VBEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org (Terrence Enger) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:53:14 -0500 Subject: Free Linux Books Online In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912080304p7c05e5bagff9d5cd9b0f7b508-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912080304p7c05e5bagff9d5cd9b0f7b508@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1260276795.18515.93.camel@cougar-hardy> On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 06:04 -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Don't know how many of you know about this, but I just found it today, > so it's new to me, here's the link: > > http://www.linux.org/docs/online_books.html > And another collection, " Linux Books: E-Books for free online viewing and/or download" . It has some overlap with the collection that Michael mentioned, but focuses more narrowly on the technical side of things. Cheers, Terry. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lmlane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 13:18:11 2009 From: lmlane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mark Lane) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:18:11 -0500 Subject: OT: Need a new computer In-Reply-To: <20091208062949.GA2696-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20091207204719.GA5218@yam.witteman.ca> <20091207221229.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091208062949.GA2696@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:29 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman < william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 05:12:29PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> I would like to get something for under $400, taxes in. > > > >I would save my money until I could afford something that would last. > > I understand the sentiment, but I am just finishing a major, unplanned > home renovation, and my current computer shuts down if I launch X. > Waiting is not looking favourable. Doubling my budget is not very > exciting. > > Also, I am not inclined to build a machine from parts myself - I don't > do it often (i.e. not in years) and you can introduce major problems by > doing it wrong. I need a machine in the very near future that just > works out of the box. > > To give you an idea of how much I need a machine that just works, I see > that I can get a Mac Mini for $649, and I would be up and running > (browsing and video) inside of an hour. When I have more time, I can > configure Boot Camp and run Linux on it. > > >Avoid the Pentium Dual Core in my opinion. It is a seriously low end > >chip with none of the new features. Some of those new features can be > >really handy. I can't imagine buying a machine without VT support > >anymore. > > I'm not sure what VT support is (virtualization, right?), and I'm willing > to bet it wouldn't make YouTube run faster. I don't play games, I don't > transcode video, I don't even use OpenOffice more than twice a year. > Firefox, vim, Python, vlc, miro, mutt - that's what my home machine > does. > > I appreciate your advice, but there's no way I can build a machine, and > if some store is willing to do it out of adequate parts, that may be the > way I need to go. > > The downside to the Mac Mini is that I am less likely to upgrade it, > whereas if I get a PC, I can upgrade bits as appropriate - swapping RAM, > drives is no problem, but I am unwilling to seat a new CPU without adult > supervision. The upside of the Mac Mini is that it is small, quiet and > adequate. > > (There's no way I'm paying for Windows, btw, so most other store-bought > machines are not feasible.) > -- > > Your other option is to buy a used system and upgrade it. For instance, a lot HPs have come back on the market as lease backs and refribs. For you can get a Athlon 64 machine for $99. AMD athlon 64 [image: AMD 64 3200+,512MB, 40GB,DVD Rom , Floppy,10/100,windows XP PRO] HP DX5150 AMD 64 3200+,512MB, 40GB,DVD Rom , Floppy,10/100,windows XP PRO *$99.99*That system will support at least SATA 1 probably 2, USB 2 and at least 4GB of RAM on a 64 Bit OS. The only warning about this line is the power supplies can't handle a brown out so you will want a UPS. I haven't looked at this model specifically but you should be able to upgrade the video with at least a lowprofile PCIe Card. Your other option is a laptop. They won't be much of a machine for under $400 but you can get a new one that will run what you want. -- Mark Lane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 14:46:36 2009 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:46:36 -0500 Subject: OT: Need a new computer In-Reply-To: References: <20091207204719.GA5218@yam.witteman.ca> <20091207221229.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091208062949.GA2696@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <92ee967a0912080646h71c3519ajc9b54759cabc46b4@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Mark Lane wrote: ... > AMD athlon 64 > HP DX5150 AMD 64 3200+,512MB, 40GB,DVD Rom , Floppy,10/100,windows XP PRO $99.99 > That system will support at least SATA 1 probably 2, USB 2 and at least 4GB of RAM on a 64 Bit OS. The only warning about this line is the power supplies can't handle a brown out so you will want a UPS. I haven't looked at this model specifically but you should be able to upgrade the video with at least a lowprofile PCIe Card. > > Your other option is a laptop. They won't be much of a machine for under $400 but you can get a new one that will run what you want. Just some options: There's a three month warranty on the machines. These machines are old, but I'd trust the IBM/Lenovo hardware before the HP hardware. Don't look at the refurb notebooks... they're tempting, I know. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 15:38:09 2009 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:38:09 -0500 Subject: TPL wireless & linux In-Reply-To: <194719.67791.qm-Fzfr+oC8rxz5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912071152j5b787705u21754b414b092285@mail.gmail.com> <194719.67791.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280912080738g2880bcf5ra1f445473f3929f6@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/7 E K : > > > --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Giles Orr wrote: > >> From: Giles Orr >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: TPL wireless & linux >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> Received: Monday, December 7, 2009, 2:52 PM >> 2009/12/7 Matt Price : >> > Have other people noticed that the Toronto Public >> Library wireless >> > doesn't work for them? ?For me, the connection went >> fine, and I was >> > assigned at 10.1 IP address; but use of the network >> requires you to >> > check a box on a web page & then do a handshake >> which registers your MAC >> > address with their routers. ?the web page won't load >> on my ubuntu >> > machine; I had to call tech support (1-888-855-3555, >> if you're ever in >> > this situation), and they just executed the handshake >> manually, because >> > apparently 'there's a software problem and linux isn't >> supported.' >> > >> > After that my internet worked, and I found the >> following post somewhere >> > else: >> > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > If spyders.local is a local network address, it might >> be a problem (or >> > lack) of proper name lookup. Try enabling WINS name >> lookup as additional >> > to standard DNS. >> > >> > In Ubuntu/Debian you would do this by installing the >> winbind packages, >> > together with samba I think. Once winbind is up and >> running, add "wins" >> > to the end of the "hosts:" line in /etc/nsswitch.conf. >> Like this: >> > ***** /etc/nsswitch.conf ****** >> > .... >> > hosts files dns wins >> > .... >> > ******************************* >> > You might need to restart your network or reboot, but >> IIRC it usually >> > works right away. >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> > I'm posting this here: >> > 1 - to ask if this solution works for other people (I >> can't test it now >> > -- my laptop's already registered here) >> > 2 - to ask what this even *means* -- Why the heck >> wouldn't they just use >> > DNS here? >> > 3 - to make that 888 number available, if you don't >> want to have to mess >> > about with your system to access a public service to >> which you're >> > entitled and from which you absolutely shouldn't be >> excluded. >> >> As far as I can tell Spyders made some fairly significant >> change very >> recently. ?(I'm working on a Debian-testing >> netbook.) ?I first noticed >> it at Guildwood library on Saturday, where I saw that >> they're now >> using a self-signed cert. ?That's going to lead to >> tears: Firefox >> whines about it so much that it's going to freak out the >> 30-50% of >> their users who use FF. ?I think I got on the internet >> fine after >> that, but today at North York Central I got the same >> complaining about >> a cert (I thought I had added it permanently?) and I >> couldn't get >> connected. ?I didn't investigate further. ?Being >> a TPL (but not a >> Spyders) employee, I'm going to watch this with some >> interest. ?I >> entirely agree: if Winbind is required, that's a huge >> problem. ?How >> would a Mac handle that? >> >> -- >> Giles >> http://www.gilesorr.com/ >> gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >> -- > > I have been using TPL wireless with Ubuntu 6.06 without problem. I use both firefox and w3m to sign up with Spyder and everything works fine. The page loads and the handshake goes well. Could I ask when was the last time you used TPL wireless, and at which branch? Thanks. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-r35aSzp7v8jQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 15:59:10 2009 From: daniel-r35aSzp7v8jQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:59:10 -0500 Subject: OT: Need a new computer In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0912080646h71c3519ajc9b54759cabc46b4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20091207204719.GA5218@yam.witteman.ca> <20091207221229.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091208062949.GA2696@yam.witteman.ca> <92ee967a0912080646h71c3519ajc9b54759cabc46b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Mike Kallies wrote: > Just some options: > > > > There's a three month warranty on the machines. > > These machines are old, but I'd trust the IBM/Lenovo hardware before > the HP hardware. Thanks for the IBM refurbished tip. I have a friend on a limited budget with modest requirements that could make use of this... I would trust these machines more than some of the $299 College/Spadina specials. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 16:37:24 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:37:24 -0500 Subject: Debian upgrade rollback Message-ID: <4B1E80C4.4010408@moores.ca> Hi TLUGers, I know a few of you are fairly familiar with rsnapshot. I've received some good answers from you before. I am wanting to use rsnapshot to manage package upgrades under Ubuntu. With Debian packages there is no easy way to roll back an upgrade if it somehow breaks the system. If I can use rsnapshot to backup all the system files and the apt database, then if an upgrade goes bad I should be able to easily restore the system and fix it. Has anybody done this before? I have configured rsnapshot.conf with the following backup directories: ##################### # # System backups # backup /boot localhost/ backup /usr localhost/ backup /etc localhost/ backup /lib localhost/ backup /bin localhost/ backup /sbin localhost/ backup /opt localhost/ backup /var/lib/apt localhost/ backup /var/lib/aptitude localhost/ Does anyone see anything wrong with this setup? There is very little information on restoring from a backup. Ideally, I would run the backup immediately prior to the upgrade. If I need to rewind it, I would like to simply copy back the files that were changed,and remove any additional files that were added. Is there an easy way to do this or do I need to write my own script to compare the original files with the backups? rsnapshot-diff is great for comparing between different backups, but I have seen nothing that checks any of the backups against the originals. Thanks, Darryl -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 16:56:36 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:56:36 -0500 Subject: Debian upgrade rollback In-Reply-To: <4B1E80C4.4010408-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B1E80C4.4010408@moores.ca> Message-ID: <20091208165636.GC761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:37:24AM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: > Hi TLUGers, > > I know a few of you are fairly familiar with rsnapshot. I've received > some good answers from you before. > > I am wanting to use rsnapshot to manage package upgrades under Ubuntu. > With Debian packages there is no easy way to roll back an upgrade if it > somehow breaks the system. > > If I can use rsnapshot to backup all the system files and the apt > database, then if an upgrade goes bad I should be able to easily restore > the system and fix it. > > Has anybody done this before? No, but I have heard of someone doing something for the same purpose but in a much better way. At the linux symposium someone showed a system using a ramdisk unionfs to test upgrades before doing them for real. > I have configured rsnapshot.conf with the following backup directories: > > > ##################### > # > # System backups > # > backup /boot localhost/ > backup /usr localhost/ > backup /etc localhost/ > backup /lib localhost/ > backup /bin localhost/ > backup /sbin localhost/ > backup /opt localhost/ > backup /var/lib/apt localhost/ > backup /var/lib/aptitude localhost/ > > Does anyone see anything wrong with this setup? > > There is very little information on restoring from a backup. Ideally, I > would run the backup immediately prior to the upgrade. If I need to > rewind it, I would like to simply copy back the files that were > changed,and remove any additional files that were added. Is there an > easy way to do this or do I need to write my own script to compare the > original files with the backups? rsnapshot-diff is great for comparing > between different backups, but I have seen nothing that checks any of > the backups against the originals. You would have to restore everything to be sure you had rolled back everything. Sounds very likely to go wrong. Some people do it by breaking a raid1 before doing an upgrade. If the upgrade is bad, they switch to the other disk and resync the raid from that. If it works fine, they simply add the other disk back into the raid and resync. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 16:57:14 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:57:14 -0500 Subject: Debian upgrade rollback In-Reply-To: <20091208165636.GC761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B1E80C4.4010408@moores.ca> <20091208165636.GC761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20091208165714.GD761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:56:36AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > You would have to restore everything to be sure you had rolled back > everything. Sounds very likely to go wrong. > > Some people do it by breaking a raid1 before doing an upgrade. If the > upgrade is bad, they switch to the other disk and resync the raid from > that. If it works fine, they simply add the other disk back into the > raid and resync. Of course in the 10 years of running Debian I have never had a need to do any of this. It has always been fixable. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 17:20:18 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 12:20:18 -0500 Subject: Debian upgrade rollback In-Reply-To: <20091208165636.GC761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B1E80C4.4010408@moores.ca> <20091208165636.GC761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B1E8AD2.8020208@moores.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:37:24AM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: >> Has anybody done this before? > > No, but I have heard of someone doing something for the same purpose > but in a much better way. > > At the linux symposium someone showed a system using a ramdisk unionfs > to test upgrades before doing them for real. > That is certainly an interesting idea, and shouldn't be very hard to implement. >> I have configured rsnapshot.conf with the following backup directories: >> >> >> ##################### >> # >> # System backups >> # >> backup /boot localhost/ >> backup /usr localhost/ >> backup /etc localhost/ >> backup /lib localhost/ >> backup /bin localhost/ >> backup /sbin localhost/ >> backup /opt localhost/ >> backup /var/lib/apt localhost/ >> backup /var/lib/aptitude localhost/ >> >> Does anyone see anything wrong with this setup? >> >> There is very little information on restoring from a backup. Ideally, I >> would run the backup immediately prior to the upgrade. If I need to >> rewind it, I would like to simply copy back the files that were >> changed,and remove any additional files that were added. Is there an >> easy way to do this or do I need to write my own script to compare the >> original files with the backups? rsnapshot-diff is great for comparing >> between different backups, but I have seen nothing that checks any of >> the backups against the originals. > > You would have to restore everything to be sure you had rolled back > everything. Sounds very likely to go wrong. > Backing up so that I can restore everything is the general idea. It should be sufficient to look at the file timestamps and sizes to determine what needs to be restored. No? The only files I don't have in here are other subdirectories below /var/ I don't want to include them because they probably contain dynamic data from live databases and such. Backing them up with rsync while live may well break them, and I already have suitable backup mechanisms for this data. Are upgrades likely to affect files in these subdirectories? I though apt did not mess with files in /etc/ and /var that already exist at the time of installation so that they do not damage custom configurations. > Some people do it by breaking a raid1 before doing an upgrade. If the > upgrade is bad, they switch to the other disk and resync the raid from > that. If it works fine, they simply add the other disk back into the > raid and resync. > That is certainly an interesting idea as well, however I'm not sure I want every server to running raid on the root filesystem. That seems a little more complicated then should be necessary. cheers, darryl -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 17:37:38 2009 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:37:38 -0500 Subject: Debian upgrade rollback In-Reply-To: <4B1E8AD2.8020208-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B1E80C4.4010408@moores.ca> <20091208165636.GC761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1E8AD2.8020208@moores.ca> Message-ID: <1f13df280912080937o1922c958ya3f5885264ced8b5@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/8 Darryl Moore : > Backing up so that I can restore everything is the general idea. It > should be sufficient to look at the file timestamps and sizes to > determine what needs to be restored. No? The only files I don't have in > here are other subdirectories below /var/ I don't want to include them > because they probably contain dynamic data from live databases and such. > Backing them up with rsync while live may well break them, and I already > have suitable backup mechanisms for this data. Are upgrades likely to > affect files in these subdirectories? I though apt did not mess with > files in /etc/ and /var that already exist at the time of installation > so that they do not damage custom configurations. Debian keeps its package lists under /var/ . If you restore the rest of the system but not /var/ then apt will still believe it's done an upgrade even after you reverted the system. That kind of inconsistency won't be any fun at all. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 17:44:01 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 12:44:01 -0500 Subject: Debian upgrade rollback In-Reply-To: <1f13df280912080937o1922c958ya3f5885264ced8b5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B1E80C4.4010408@moores.ca> <20091208165636.GC761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1E8AD2.8020208@moores.ca> <1f13df280912080937o1922c958ya3f5885264ced8b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1E9061.3000908@moores.ca> Giles Orr wrote: > > Debian keeps its package lists under /var/ . If you restore the rest > of the system but not /var/ then apt will still believe it's done an > upgrade even after you reverted the system. That kind of > inconsistency won't be any fun at all. > Exactly why I was specifically including: backup /var/lib/apt localhost/ backup /var/lib/aptitude localhost/ As well I should (but neglected to) have added: backup /var/lib/dpkg localhost/ backup /var/backups localhost/ but none of the other /var/ subdirectories which are for other packages. Of course if install scripts for other packages change these subdirectories when they are updated (I don't think they are suppose too) then this whole idea wont work. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maureen-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 18:18:10 2009 From: maureen-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Maureen E.Thornton) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:18:10 -0500 Subject: Call for salvaged hardware! In-Reply-To: <1260243734.3662.16067.camel@gont> References: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> <1260243734.3662.16067.camel@gont> Message-ID: <1260296290.11645.247.camel@bliss.ss.org> How about putting out a general notice and seeing how many groups could send a representative to a gathering in the "Cafe". There is a ton of hardware out there. Many companies just send it to the junk yard because they do not know how to dispose of it without costing an arm and a leg. I have found two in the last two weeks. Jon is going to put together something for me to use in order to show the companies what a good Samaritans they could be. If we all new who the groups doing the same thing were, what their focus is, we would have a better chance of advertising and getting more "left overs". Helping one another helps all! Maureen On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 22:42 -0500, Matt Price wrote: > On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 14:38 -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > > On 12/7/09, Matt Price wrote: > > > some of you may remember that years ago I taught a linux-focussed "build > > > your own computer" course using salvaged hardware. I'm reviving this > > > course in the new year at a downtown elementary school, and am looking > > > for parts for 15 or 16 systems that school kids will build up, install > > > ubuntu on, and learn to use. If it's successful, I'm hoping to expand > > > the program out into a bunch of neighbourhood schools, and maybe get a > > > kind of computer club going where kids learn a little bit of programming > > > and systems administrations. > > > > > > Anyway, that said: i thought I had a line on a substantial supply, but > > > my source has fallen through. So I'm putting out a general plea for > > > hardware -- boxes, parts, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc... Meanwhile > > > I'll keep plying my other connections as well. > > > > > Okay... > > > > I've been involved with Jon Alexander in doing some computer > > give-aways at a local food bank, where my role has been to do some > > introductory Linux education (the machines go out the door with Ubuntu > > installed). C. Martens in in the process of setting up something > > quasi-similar. Lee Andrew MacNeil is interested in other projects > > centred around keeping old machines out of landfills. > > > > So, what I see here is multiple projects looking at ways of helping > > people who need computers, get them free. So, next question, all these > > projects have an on-going need for computer equipment. Question is, > > how can these projects and people help each other? > > Colin, I think you're asking a really important question. I was just > talking to John this afternoon about this very thing -- the > proliferation of similar projects that's happening right now (and I'd > actually include things like Hacklab in this list, too, even if its > focus is a little bit further out from the central cluster that binds > the rest of us together). I think we should think about trying to work > together, at least in a loose, informal way; and about what the precise > scope and ambition of each project is, and how we might support each > other. > > I'd really like to hear what other people have to say. Thanks for > raising this issue, Colin! > > Matt > -- My Genie Call 416.466,6149 Cell 416.564.6920 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 18:24:57 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:24:57 -0500 Subject: Debian upgrade rollback In-Reply-To: <4B1E9061.3000908-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B1E80C4.4010408@moores.ca> <20091208165636.GC761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1E8AD2.8020208@moores.ca> <1f13df280912080937o1922c958ya3f5885264ced8b5@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E9061.3000908@moores.ca> Message-ID: <4B1E99F9.9020303@moores.ca> Hmmm, while reading the debian policy manual http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ it appears that only the /etc/ subdirectory must be left alone after any manual changes. This leaves a bit of a dilemma with regard to the /var subdirectories. Within /var the only directories that may need to be restored (other than for dpkg and apt-get) would be in /var/lib. I still don't think these would change very often with upgrades. Perhaps the thing to do is to record what files are changed here then if a rewind is needed and there have been changes (which can't be undone), we can list the changes before committing to doing the rewind. Let me know if you guys still think this is a goofy idea or not. Darryl Moore wrote: > > Giles Orr wrote: >> Debian keeps its package lists under /var/ . If you restore the rest >> of the system but not /var/ then apt will still believe it's done an >> upgrade even after you reverted the system. That kind of >> inconsistency won't be any fun at all. >> > > Exactly why I was specifically including: > > backup /var/lib/apt localhost/ > backup /var/lib/aptitude localhost/ > > > As well I should (but neglected to) have added: > > backup /var/lib/dpkg localhost/ > backup /var/backups localhost/ > > but none of the other /var/ subdirectories which are for other packages. > > Of course if install scripts for other packages change these > subdirectories when they are updated (I don't think they are suppose > too) then this whole idea wont work. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 18:31:30 2009 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:31:30 -0500 Subject: Call for salvaged hardware! In-Reply-To: <1260240227.3662.15694.camel@gont> References: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> <200912071309.02036.icanprogram@295.ca> <1260240227.3662.15694.camel@gont> Message-ID: <200912081331.31885.icanprogram@295.ca> Here is another group I had dealings with a number of years back. They were more open minded about Linux even back then. http://www.rebootcanada.ca/ It is hard to tell from the website how active they still are. bob On Monday 07 December 2009 09:43 pm, Matt Price wrote: > On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 13:09 -0500, bob 295 wrote: > > You might try this group. > > > > http://www.rcto.ca/Default.aspx > > > > I tried unsuccessfully a number of years back to get this group > > interested in Linux. > > i'll do that. thanks for the suggestion! > matt > > > bob > > > > On Monday 07 December 2009 12:52 pm, Matt Price wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > some of you may remember that years ago I taught a linux-focussed > > > "build your own computer" course using salvaged hardware. I'm reviving > > > this course in the new year at a downtown elementary school, and am > > > looking for parts for 15 or 16 systems that school kids will build up, > > > install ubuntu on, and learn to use. If it's successful, I'm hoping to > > > expand the program out into a bunch of neighbourhood schools, and maybe > > > get a kind of computer club going where kids learn a little bit of > > > programming and systems administrations. > > > > > > Anyway, that said: i thought I had a line on a substantial supply, but > > > my source has fallen through. So I'm putting out a general plea for > > > hardware -- boxes, parts, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc... Meanwhile > > > I'll keep plying my other connections as well. > > > > > > As always, thank you in advance to the list! you guys rock, > > > > > > Matt > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 18:47:54 2009 From: jtc-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:47:54 -0500 Subject: Bind DNS and some Windows forwarder Message-ID: <4B1E9F5A.30704@totaltravelmarketing.com> Hi List, I have this problem with a Windows 2003 server setup as DNS forwarder, pointing to 3 of my DNS Unix servers using bind, my Unix/Linux slaves have no problem updating across different networks (no firewalls in between), but this Windows machine I had it displaying this behavior when my Unix server came down on it's own network leaving me with the other two who are on a different network but visible across locations, this Windows server would not use the other two servers to get DNS queries, has anybody come to see something like this? Thanks in advance for your help Jose -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 19:01:02 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:01:02 -0500 Subject: OT: Need a new computer In-Reply-To: <20091208062949.GA2696-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20091207204719.GA5218@yam.witteman.ca> <20091207221229.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091208062949.GA2696@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20091208190102.GF761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 01:29:49AM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I understand the sentiment, but I am just finishing a major, unplanned > home renovation, and my current computer shuts down if I launch X. > Waiting is not looking favourable. Doubling my budget is not very > exciting. The main problem is that for $400 you get a pile of obsolete shit. For $800 you get very high quality current stuff. For $2500 you get seriously high end stuff. The difference in quality and performance of a $400 and a $800 computer is huge. > Also, I am not inclined to build a machine from parts myself - I don't > do it often (i.e. not in years) and you can introduce major problems by > doing it wrong. I need a machine in the very near future that just > works out of the box. Well most computer stores will build it for you if you give them a list of parts you want. > To give you an idea of how much I need a machine that just works, I see > that I can get a Mac Mini for $649, and I would be up and running > (browsing and video) inside of an hour. When I have more time, I can > configure Boot Camp and run Linux on it. > > I'm not sure what VT support is (virtualization, right?), and I'm willing > to bet it wouldn't make YouTube run faster. I don't play games, I don't > transcode video, I don't even use OpenOffice more than twice a year. > Firefox, vim, Python, vlc, miro, mutt - that's what my home machine > does. No it wouldn't. Would it would allow is running virtual servers for web development and testing faster. If you don't need that, then you don't need to worry about it. > I appreciate your advice, but there's no way I can build a machine, and > if some store is willing to do it out of adequate parts, that may be the > way I need to go. > > The downside to the Mac Mini is that I am less likely to upgrade it, > whereas if I get a PC, I can upgrade bits as appropriate - swapping RAM, > drives is no problem, but I am unwilling to seat a new CPU without adult > supervision. The upside of the Mac Mini is that it is small, quiet and > adequate. > > (There's no way I'm paying for Windows, btw, so most other store-bought > machines are not feasible.) Most computer stores have no issue building a machine without windows. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 19:02:56 2009 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:02:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: OT: Need a new computer In-Reply-To: References: <20091207204719.GA5218@yam.witteman.ca> <20091207221229.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091208062949.GA2696@yam.witteman.ca> <92ee967a0912080646h71c3519ajc9b54759cabc46b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <98255.99478.qm@web110809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Good price, but they come with IDE harddisk which is expensive to upgrade. I'm using my last IDE harddisk as "disposable" partitions for various distros. --William ----- Original Message ---- > From: Daniel Armstrong > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Tue, December 8, 2009 10:59:10 AM > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Need a new computer > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Mike Kallies wrote: > > Just some options: > > > > > > > > > There's a three month warranty on the machines. > > > > These machines are old, but I'd trust the IBM/Lenovo hardware before > > the HP hardware. > > Thanks for the IBM refurbished tip. I have a friend on a limited > budget with modest requirements that could make use of this... I would > trust these machines more than some of the $299 College/Spadina > specials. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 19:33:23 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:33:23 -0500 Subject: OT: Need a new computer In-Reply-To: <20091207221229.GB761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20091207204719.GA5218@yam.witteman.ca> <20091207221229.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20091208193323.GG761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 05:12:29PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 03:47:19PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > > My desktop is acting more and more strangely, and it may be time for an > > upgrade - unfortunately, it is a cute, tiny unit that is not > > upgrade/fix-able, so I may need to start over. > > > > If you were trying to *cheaply* get a Linux-compatible desktop together > > that I won't have to think about for another 4+ years, what would you > > get? > > > > I would like to get something for under $400, taxes in. > > I would save my money until I could afford something that would last. > > > I would prefer dual core, but the most CPU-intensive thing my machine is > > used for is Flash video (which is a lot, for no good reason). > > > > 2D graphics are fine. This computer from Filtech looks reasonable: > > > > Weekly Special B > > $289.99 > > Intel E5200 Dual Core 2.5GHz > > Asus P5KPL-AM SE M/B > > Integrated Intel Graphics Media Accelerator > > (Intel? GMA 3100) O/B > > Kingston 1G DDR2-667 > > Seagate/WD 80G SATA2 HDD > > Good grief, an 80GB drive costs like $5 less than a 160GB. Way to cut > stupid corners for a price point. Where did they even find one? > > 160GB WD: $51 > 320GB WD: $54 > 500GB WD: $61 > 640GB WD: $66 > > Notice how many dollers it cost to go from 160 to 640? Would you save > $15 for a 75% drop in disk space? The 80GB is just a couple of dollers > less and even worse of a deal. > > Same for the slowpoke 667 DDR2 ram, and only 1GB? I have bouthgt 4GB > kits of DDR2-800 for $50 or so. > > Avoid the Pentium Dual Core in my opinion. It is a seriously low end > chip with none of the new features. Some of those new features can be > really handy. I can't imagine buying a machine without VT support > anymore. > > > LG or Eq. DVD-RW > > ATX Case A601 w/420W > > > > I know that the CPU is a bit limited, but it will probably be fine (web > > development, Python scripts and minor statistical number crunching will > > be just fine). The MB is ASUS, which I like, and the video card should > > be easy to support - the only downside is that the PSU and case are > > likely going to be cheap, but I can't have *everything*. > > > > Any other suggestions? > > Stay away from "specials". Their only purpose is to get rid of leftover > junk no one in their right mind would buy anymore. > > The nicest budget machine I have ever built was when a friend really > wanted a new gaming machine but for cheap. It came in around $800 and > was certainly not top of the line for gaming, but it was probably within > 50% of the top performance which was a lot less money wasn't bad. > > Basics needed: > 640GB WD: $66 > Case: Whatever you like > Powersupply: Something good around 500W. Expect around $90. Silencer > 500W or TurboCool 510W are nice reliable models. > Video card: If you don't need much, you can find lots of nice nvidia > cards for about $50 to $60. > DVD: $30 LG or whatever you like. > Mouse,keyboard: whatever you like > Total: $300 or so for the base stuff > > Either obsolete dual core: > Mushkin EM2-6400 DDR2-800 4GB: $100 2GB of ram costs less than 4GB, so you can save a bit there. Say: Mushkin EM2-6400 DDR2-800 2GB (2x1GB) $57 > Core 2 E7600 (or E7500 or E7400 if you can find the model with VT since > it doesn't cost extra): $160. A cost saving option here is the E6300 (less cache mainly) at $85. Some even happen to have VT apparently, although how you know when buying it seems hard to tell. > Asus P5QL/EPU: $93 > Total: $353 on top of the base. > > Or modern quad core: > Intel Core i5 750: $230 > Asus P7P55D LE: $140 > G.Skill 2x2GB DDR3-10666: $100 > Total: $470 on top of the base. > > So for $700 to $800 or so you can get a modern CPU, 4GB of fast ram, > 640GB disk space, dedicated video, high quality parts, rather than the > cheapest parts that could be put in a case to build a "working" computer. Making the substitutions above you get: HD: 640GB WD: $66 Case: Something you like. $50 should get a decent antec or coolermaster without a power supply. Powersupply: PC Power & Cooling Silencer 500W: $90 Video card: Asus Geforce 210 512MB: $55 DVD: $30 Mouse,keyboard: $20 RAM: Mushkin EM2-6400 DDR2-800 2GB (2x1GB) $57 CPU: Intel E6300 $85. MB: Asus P5QL/EPU: $93 Total: $546 -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 19:35:41 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:35:41 -0500 Subject: OT: Need a new computer In-Reply-To: References: <20091207204719.GA5218@yam.witteman.ca> <20091207221229.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091208062949.GA2696@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20091208193541.GH761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 08:18:11AM -0500, Mark Lane wrote: > Your other option is to buy a used system and upgrade it. For instance, a > lot HPs have come back on the market as lease backs and refribs. For you can > get a Athlon 64 machine for $99. > > AMD athlon 64 > > [image: > AMD 64 3200+,512MB, 40GB,DVD Rom , Floppy,10/100,windows XP > PRO] > HP > DX5150 AMD 64 3200+,512MB, 40GB,DVD Rom , Floppy,10/100,windows XP PRO > > *$99.99*That system will support at least SATA 1 probably 2, USB 2 and at > least 4GB of RAM on a 64 Bit OS. The only warning about this line is the > power supplies can't handle a brown out so you will want a UPS. I haven't > looked at this model specifically but you should be able to upgrade the > video with at least a lowprofile PCIe Card. Spare your sanity. I remember the DX5150. They are a complete nightmare with linux (and not great with windows either). What a piece of shit. They are the reason I won't touch an ATI chipset for a long time. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 19:40:12 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:40:12 -0500 Subject: Debian upgrade rollback In-Reply-To: <4B1E8AD2.8020208-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B1E80C4.4010408@moores.ca> <20091208165636.GC761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1E8AD2.8020208@moores.ca> Message-ID: <20091208194012.GI761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 12:20:18PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: > > > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:37:24AM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: > >> Has anybody done this before? > > > > No, but I have heard of someone doing something for the same purpose > > but in a much better way. > > > > At the linux symposium someone showed a system using a ramdisk unionfs > > to test upgrades before doing them for real. > > > > That is certainly an interesting idea, and shouldn't be very hard to > implement. > > > > >> I have configured rsnapshot.conf with the following backup directories: > >> > >> > >> ##################### > >> # > >> # System backups > >> # > >> backup /boot localhost/ > >> backup /usr localhost/ > >> backup /etc localhost/ > >> backup /lib localhost/ > >> backup /bin localhost/ > >> backup /sbin localhost/ > >> backup /opt localhost/ > >> backup /var/lib/apt localhost/ > >> backup /var/lib/aptitude localhost/ > >> > >> Does anyone see anything wrong with this setup? > >> > >> There is very little information on restoring from a backup. Ideally, I > >> would run the backup immediately prior to the upgrade. If I need to > >> rewind it, I would like to simply copy back the files that were > >> changed,and remove any additional files that were added. Is there an > >> easy way to do this or do I need to write my own script to compare the > >> original files with the backups? rsnapshot-diff is great for comparing > >> between different backups, but I have seen nothing that checks any of > >> the backups against the originals. > > > > You would have to restore everything to be sure you had rolled back > > everything. Sounds very likely to go wrong. > > > > Backing up so that I can restore everything is the general idea. It > should be sufficient to look at the file timestamps and sizes to > determine what needs to be restored. No? The only files I don't have in > here are other subdirectories below /var/ I don't want to include them > because they probably contain dynamic data from live databases and such. > Backing them up with rsync while live may well break them, and I already > have suitable backup mechanisms for this data. Are upgrades likely to > affect files in these subdirectories? I though apt did not mess with > files in /etc/ and /var that already exist at the time of installation > so that they do not damage custom configurations. The apt/dpkg status database is under /var. If you don't restore that, you kill the system. This is why I really wouldn't try what you are suggesting. You have to understand the packaging system way too well to do it. What if you upgraded a database and it converted to a new format? That's in /var/lib as well. Have to restore that if you revert the database version. Have to revert it even if going back to an older version of an application using the database in many cases. The data will need to be rolled back in many cases, not just the executables and settings. > That is certainly an interesting idea as well, however I'm not sure I > want every server to running raid on the root filesystem. That seems a > little more complicated then should be necessary. I wouldn't want to run anything without at least raid1. Rebuilding a system and downtime is just too expensive compared to another disk. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 19:41:37 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:41:37 -0500 Subject: Debian upgrade rollback In-Reply-To: <4B1E9061.3000908-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B1E80C4.4010408@moores.ca> <20091208165636.GC761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1E8AD2.8020208@moores.ca> <1f13df280912080937o1922c958ya3f5885264ced8b5@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E9061.3000908@moores.ca> Message-ID: <20091208194137.GJ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 12:44:01PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: > Exactly why I was specifically including: > > backup /var/lib/apt localhost/ > backup /var/lib/aptitude localhost/ > > > As well I should (but neglected to) have added: > > backup /var/lib/dpkg localhost/ > backup /var/backups localhost/ > > but none of the other /var/ subdirectories which are for other packages. > > Of course if install scripts for other packages change these > subdirectories when they are updated (I don't think they are suppose > too) then this whole idea wont work. They are supposed to if say mysql has a new format, then /var/lib/mysql stuff needs converting so the package takes care of that. The only thing a package should not touch is /home and /usr/local. Everything else is fair game. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 19:47:57 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:47:57 -0500 Subject: Debian upgrade rollback In-Reply-To: <20091208194137.GJ761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B1E80C4.4010408@moores.ca> <20091208165636.GC761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1E8AD2.8020208@moores.ca> <1f13df280912080937o1922c958ya3f5885264ced8b5@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E9061.3000908@moores.ca> <20091208194137.GJ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B1EAD6D.4080503@moores.ca> Hmm, yup, I agree. It's a bad idea. I guess a raid is about the only way to go. cheers, darryl Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 12:44:01PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: >> Exactly why I was specifically including: >> >> backup /var/lib/apt localhost/ >> backup /var/lib/aptitude localhost/ >> >> >> As well I should (but neglected to) have added: >> >> backup /var/lib/dpkg localhost/ >> backup /var/backups localhost/ >> >> but none of the other /var/ subdirectories which are for other packages. >> >> Of course if install scripts for other packages change these >> subdirectories when they are updated (I don't think they are suppose >> too) then this whole idea wont work. > > They are supposed to if say mysql has a new format, then /var/lib/mysql > stuff needs converting so the package takes care of that. > > The only thing a package should not touch is /home and /usr/local. > Everything else is fair game. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 19:55:06 2009 From: vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jon VanAlten) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:55:06 -0500 Subject: Debian upgrade rollback In-Reply-To: <4B1EAD6D.4080503-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B1E80C4.4010408@moores.ca> <20091208165636.GC761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1E8AD2.8020208@moores.ca> <1f13df280912080937o1922c958ya3f5885264ced8b5@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E9061.3000908@moores.ca> <20091208194137.GJ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1EAD6D.4080503@moores.ca> Message-ID: <5390d2750912081155p39613683p820d31e4606fa50c@mail.gmail.com> I am usually using an rpm/yum based system, but does dpkg/apt not provide a way to roll back a package to an older version? (Possibly requiring that the appropriate .deb files be available). jon On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Darryl Moore wrote: > Hmm, yup, I agree. It's a bad idea. I guess a raid is about the only way > to go. > > cheers, > darryl > > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 12:44:01PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: >>> Exactly why I was specifically including: >>> >>> backup ?/var/lib/apt ? ?localhost/ >>> backup ?/var/lib/aptitude ? ? ? localhost/ >>> >>> >>> As well I should (but neglected to) have added: >>> >>> backup ?/var/lib/dpkg ? localhost/ >>> backup ?/var/backups ? ?localhost/ >>> >>> but none of the other /var/ subdirectories which are for other packages. >>> >>> Of course if install scripts for other packages change these >>> subdirectories when they are updated (I don't think they are suppose >>> too) then this whole idea wont work. >> >> They are supposed to if say mysql has a new format, then /var/lib/mysql >> stuff needs converting so the package takes care of that. >> >> The only thing a package should not touch is /home and /usr/local. >> Everything else is fair game. >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 20:21:01 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:21:01 -0500 Subject: Debian upgrade rollback In-Reply-To: <5390d2750912081155p39613683p820d31e4606fa50c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B1E80C4.4010408@moores.ca> <20091208165636.GC761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1E8AD2.8020208@moores.ca> <1f13df280912080937o1922c958ya3f5885264ced8b5@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E9061.3000908@moores.ca> <20091208194137.GJ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1EAD6D.4080503@moores.ca> <5390d2750912081155p39613683p820d31e4606fa50c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091208202101.GK761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 02:55:06PM -0500, Jon VanAlten wrote: > I am usually using an rpm/yum based system, but does dpkg/apt not > provide a way to roll back a package to an older version? (Possibly > requiring that the appropriate .deb files be available). No system supports that in all cases. You can install an older version, but if any config changes or database or other files were converted to a new format, there is nothing that can roll that back. So sure 98%(random estimate) of packages can be downgraded, but the rest will break. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 21:33:44 2009 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:33:44 -0500 Subject: OT: a list of reasons to use Internet Explorer Message-ID: <7fc604580912081333g4d82a6fu423e7aebc43ab899@mail.gmail.com> http://www.reasonstouseie.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 21:42:27 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:42:27 -0500 Subject: Call for salvaged hardware! In-Reply-To: <1260296290.11645.247.camel-Cc8bTzyuDCFg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> <1260243734.3662.16067.camel@gont> <1260296290.11645.247.camel@bliss.ss.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Maureen E.Thornton wrote: > How about putting out a general notice and seeing how many groups could > send a representative to a gathering in the "Cafe". Plausible... I can imagine an objection, but that's David's to raise, or not... > There is a ton of hardware out there. ?Many companies just send it to > the junk yard because they do not know how to dispose of it without > costing an arm and a leg. ?I have found two in the last two weeks. ?Jon > is going to put together something for me to use in order to show the > companies what a good Samaritans they could be. I don't want to be over-negative about this, but it's not all that easy to dispose of elderly computers effectively/economically. There are several problems that make it difficult for such enterprises to be particularly economical: - Enterprises needing to do disposal need to dispose of quite a lot of hardware. 200 computers, 150 monitors, and such. - For this to be a viable enterprise (and I am not assuming a particular form of business organization; I don't think not-for-profit versus for-profit changes the questions/answers essentially), it isn't just a one time shot - they need to cope with this stuff coming in 100x per year. - Transport and storage are both costly. You need all of: a) Real estate to accommodate the hardware in compact piles, b) Real estate to represent a "work area", c) Truck(s) to do delivery d) Staff, available on demand, to bring piles of hardware in, and move it between a), b), and c) e) Staff to [do something] with the hardware once it's there f) Presumably, some portion of the materials will need to get put into another truck to go out somewhere else When I lived in Texas, there was a place that did this; it had low-cost, terribly-far-from-downtown, warehouse space, and they added in g) g) Staffing and equipment for a "store front" operation which would discount and sell, to the public, whatever was salable. There's something of a mistake here, too, of assuming that the materials are "interesting as computers," which is roughly the same mistake people commonly make when thinking about places like Future Shop. People imagine that Future Shop is a "computer store," and imagine some expectation that the staff ought to be competent computer technology folk. Take a step back... Future Shop is *actually* in the business of selling boxes. They get boxes in, aboard transport trucks, have staff that fork lift them onto shelves, and then draw down those boxes to sell to customers. The fact that it might be a computer (or an iPod or a vacuum cleaner) is largely beside the point. Their purpose is to sell boxes. A similarly cynical view applies fairly well to bookstores... Most bookstores are businesses that receive boxes full of objects that fit nicely on shelves, and try to sell these objects as effectively as they can. Being a "book lover" isn't necessarily a useful attribute for the staff at a Chapters outlet. Back to the "old computer store"... I can't see this reclamation enterprise being of terribly much interest to "computer lovers" - the economics of it discourage that. I'm aware of one bookstore near home that suffers from something of the opposite problem; "Books&Music&More" gets in a few boxes of books each week, and the guy that operates it evidently hasn't seen a book he doesn't like having in it. You can't get to the back of the store, and that means there's books he can't sell. Practically, it is *essential* that he get rid of a kilogram of books for every kilogram that is brought in. Unfortunately, he's bringing in books that others failed to sell, which means that there's two strikes already against each and every one of the books. And the place is gradually turning into a fire hazard :-(. A "computer reprocessing" place has a *huge* risk of falling into the same problem. And it quickly ceases to be "good Samaritans," transforming instead into "that crazy old lady who has 470 cats in her apartment." :-( -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Ogden Nash - "The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/o/ogden_nash.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 22:13:00 2009 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:13:00 -0500 Subject: Call for salvaged hardware! In-Reply-To: References: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> <1260243734.3662.16067.camel@gont> <1260296290.11645.247.camel@bliss.ss.org> Message-ID: On 12/8/09, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Maureen E.Thornton wrote: >> How about putting out a general notice and seeing how many groups could >> send a representative to a gathering in the "Cafe". > > Plausible... I can imagine an objection, but that's David's to raise, or > not... C. Martens is planning a meeting for her group next Monday evening, I will plan to be there to see see how the various groups can help each other.... No mistake there are some challenges ahead. When it comes to space Jon Alexander has a (small) space in the basement of a building near Broadview subway station (donated). C. Martens has a government grant lined up that should allow for the rental of some space (and she has her eye on a 2,000 sq. foot location near a subway station). Ongoing funding is a good question, Jon's group is doing things out of their respective pockets (which thanks to the donated space, is basicly gas money). Jon's group moves maybe 200 machines a year. C. Martens is going bigger, beyond the government grant coming down the pipe I'm not sure what her funding model will be... The other groups I am even less sure about funding models.... >> There is a ton of hardware out there. Many companies just send it to >> the junk yard because they do not know how to dispose of it without >> costing an arm and a leg. I have found two in the last two weeks. Jon >> is going to put together something for me to use in order to show the >> companies what a good Samaritans they could be. > > I don't want to be over-negative about this, but it's not all that > easy to dispose of elderly computers effectively/economically. > > There are several problems that make it difficult for such enterprises > to be particularly economical: > > - Enterprises needing to do disposal need to dispose of quite a lot of > hardware. 200 computers, 150 monitors, and such. > > - For this to be a viable enterprise (and I am not assuming a > particular form of business organization; I don't think not-for-profit > versus for-profit changes the questions/answers essentially), it isn't > just a one time shot - they need to cope with this stuff coming in > 100x per year. > > - Transport and storage are both costly. You need all of: > a) Real estate to accommodate the hardware in compact piles, > b) Real estate to represent a "work area", > c) Truck(s) to do delivery Or, as Jon's groups does it, large car and a trailer (for the quantities they deal with this is okay...). > d) Staff, available on demand, to bring piles of hardware in, and > move it between a), b), and c) > e) Staff to [do something] with the hardware once it's there > f) Presumably, some portion of the materials will need to get put > into another truck to go out somewhere else > > When I lived in Texas, there was a place that did this; it had > low-cost, terribly-far-from-downtown, warehouse space, and they added > in g) > > g) Staffing and equipment for a "store front" operation which would > discount and sell, to the public, whatever was salable. > > There's something of a mistake here, too, of assuming that the > materials are "interesting as computers," which is roughly the same > mistake people commonly make when thinking about places like Future > Shop. > > People imagine that Future Shop is a "computer store," and imagine > some expectation that the staff ought to be competent computer > technology folk. > > Take a step back... Future Shop is *actually* in the business of > selling boxes. They get boxes in, aboard transport trucks, have staff > that fork lift them onto shelves, and then draw down those boxes to > sell to customers. The fact that it might be a computer (or an iPod > or a vacuum cleaner) is largely beside the point. Their purpose is to > sell boxes. > > A similarly cynical view applies fairly well to bookstores... Most > bookstores are businesses that receive boxes full of objects that fit > nicely on shelves, and try to sell these objects as effectively as > they can. Being a "book lover" isn't necessarily a useful attribute > for the staff at a Chapters outlet. > > Back to the "old computer store"... I can't see this reclamation > enterprise being of terribly much interest to "computer lovers" - the > economics of it discourage that. > > I'm aware of one bookstore near home that suffers from something of > the opposite problem; "Books&Music&More" gets in a few boxes of books > each week, and the guy that operates it evidently hasn't seen a book > he doesn't like having in it. You can't get to the back of the store, > and that means there's books he can't sell. > > Practically, it is *essential* that he get rid of a kilogram of books > for every kilogram that is brought in. Unfortunately, he's bringing > in books that others failed to sell, which means that there's two > strikes already against each and every one of the books. And the > place is gradually turning into a fire hazard :-(. > > A "computer reprocessing" place has a *huge* risk of falling into the > same problem. And it quickly ceases to be "good Samaritans," > transforming instead into "that crazy old lady who has 470 cats in her > apartment." :-( > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > Ogden Nash - "The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, > it's always a cat." - > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/o/ogden_nash.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 22:28:17 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:28:17 -0500 Subject: Well, I'll buy that there's *one*... Message-ID: "10 Windows features I would like to see in Linux" http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1196 A fair number of the items aren't "features" as I'd recognize them... The only one I'd unambiguously agree with is that syncing cell phones is a Huge Pain for anything aside from PalmOS-based stuff. - libpisync, for PalmOS, is eminently usable, but the platform is effectively dead. I'm using a circa-2004 Palm Treo; I suppose I could upgrade to a Centro (2008) or a Treo 680 (2006, available from Tiger Direct these days). Near bulletproof, by now, but newer models aren't compatible with anything meaningful on Linux. - I can dump data off a BlackBerry using Barry, but I don't think I can push data onto it. - I don't think Android syncs against anything meaningful on Linux... -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Charles de Gaulle - "The better I get to know men, the more I find myself loving dogs." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/charles_de_gaulle.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 23:18:38 2009 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:18:38 -0500 Subject: Well, I'll buy that there's *one*... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7fc604580912081518i63358e31h88ffdcfc89e7bec7@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/8 Christopher Browne > > - I don't think Android syncs against anything meaningful on Linux... > Not using the conventional driver/software paradigm. But android syncs with GMail and Google Calendar and they can export to Linux. - Evan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 8 23:22:04 2009 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:22:04 -0500 Subject: Avoiding Rogers DNS breakage Message-ID: <7fc604580912081522ieedb13eg1823f4b509fccd55@mail.gmail.com> Remember those threads a few months ago about Rogers breaking DNS behaviour by giving an ad-filled search page for an un-resolving domain? Now Google has produced a tool that helps find the fastest public DNS server for any installation. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 01:26:51 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:26:51 -0500 Subject: Avoiding Rogers DNS breakage In-Reply-To: <4B1EEB70.4000507-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <7fc604580912081522ieedb13eg1823f4b509fccd55@mail.gmail.com> <4B1EEB70.4000507@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4B1EFCDB.90808@moores.ca> James Knott wrote: > Evan Leibovitch wrote: >> Remember those threads a few months ago about Rogers breaking DNS >> behaviour by giving an ad-filled search page for an un-resolving domain? >> >> Now Google has produced a tool that helps find the fastest public DNS >> server for any installation. >> It'll be interesting to see how well this works... >> >> http://code.google.com/p/namebench/ >> >> - Evan >> > I've been using it for a couple of days. Seems OK so far. > This Google app would be interesting if it actually filtered out broken DNS servers. I followed the link and from what I saw it doesn't actually do anything to help with busted DNS servers. It just finds the fastest DNS without any preference of busted or working. I've been using 4.2.2.1 through 4.2.2.6 as fallbacks for my own caching server for a while now. They work like a DNS is suppose to work. cheers, darryl -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 05:21:00 2009 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:21:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: TPL wireless & linux In-Reply-To: <1f13df280912080738g2880bcf5ra1f445473f3929f6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912080738g2880bcf5ra1f445473f3929f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <841631.93489.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 12/8/09, Giles Orr wrote: > From: Giles Orr > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: TPL wireless & linux > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 10:38 AM > 2009/12/7 E K : > > > > > > --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Giles Orr > wrote: > > > >> From: Giles Orr > >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: TPL wireless & linux > >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > >> Received: Monday, December 7, 2009, 2:52 PM > >> 2009/12/7 Matt Price : > >> > Have other people noticed that the Toronto > Public > >> Library wireless > >> > doesn't work for them? ?For me, the > connection went > >> fine, and I was > >> > assigned at 10.1 IP address; but use of the > network > >> requires you to > >> > check a box on a web page & then do a > handshake > >> which registers your MAC > >> > address with their routers. ?the web page > won't load > >> on my ubuntu > >> > machine; I had to call tech support > (1-888-855-3555, > >> if you're ever in > >> > this situation), and they just executed the > handshake > >> manually, because > >> > apparently 'there's a software problem and > linux isn't > >> supported.' > >> > > >> > After that my internet worked, and I found > the > >> following post somewhere > >> > else: > >> > > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > If spyders.local is a local network address, > it might > >> be a problem (or > >> > lack) of proper name lookup. Try enabling > WINS name > >> lookup as additional > >> > to standard DNS. > >> > > >> > In Ubuntu/Debian you would do this by > installing the > >> winbind packages, > >> > together with samba I think. Once winbind is > up and > >> running, add "wins" > >> > to the end of the "hosts:" line in > /etc/nsswitch.conf. > >> Like this: > >> > ***** /etc/nsswitch.conf ****** > >> > .... > >> > hosts files dns wins > >> > .... > >> > ******************************* > >> > You might need to restart your network or > reboot, but > >> IIRC it usually > >> > works right away. > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------ > >> > I'm posting this here: > >> > 1 - to ask if this solution works for other > people (I > >> can't test it now > >> > -- my laptop's already registered here) > >> > 2 - to ask what this even *means* -- Why the > heck > >> wouldn't they just use > >> > DNS here? > >> > 3 - to make that 888 number available, if you > don't > >> want to have to mess > >> > about with your system to access a public > service to > >> which you're > >> > entitled and from which you absolutely > shouldn't be > >> excluded. > >> > >> As far as I can tell Spyders made some fairly > significant > >> change very > >> recently. ?(I'm working on a Debian-testing > >> netbook.) ?I first noticed > >> it at Guildwood library on Saturday, where I saw > that > >> they're now > >> using a self-signed cert. ?That's going to lead > to > >> tears: Firefox > >> whines about it so much that it's going to freak > out the > >> 30-50% of > >> their users who use FF. ?I think I got on the > internet > >> fine after > >> that, but today at North York Central I got the > same > >> complaining about > >> a cert (I thought I had added it permanently?) and > I > >> couldn't get > >> connected. ?I didn't investigate further. > ?Being > >> a TPL (but not a > >> Spyders) employee, I'm going to watch this with > some > >> interest. ?I > >> entirely agree: if Winbind is required, that's a > huge > >> problem. ?How > >> would a Mac handle that? > >> > >> -- > >> Giles > >> http://www.gilesorr.com/ > >> gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > >> -- > > > > I have been using TPL wireless with Ubuntu 6.06 > without problem. I use both firefox and w3m to sign up with > Spyder and everything works fine. The page loads and the > handshake goes well. > > Could I ask when was the last time you used TPL wireless, > and at which > branch?? Thanks. > As recently as last week in the reference library at Yonge and Bloor. I haven't tried it anywhere else. HTH EK > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 16:16:12 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:16:12 -0500 Subject: Well, I'll buy that there's *one*... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091209161612.GL761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 05:28:17PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > "10 Windows features I would like to see in Linux" > http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1196 > > A fair number of the items aren't "features" as I'd recognize them... > > The only one I'd unambiguously agree with is that syncing cell phones > is a Huge Pain for anything aside from PalmOS-based stuff. > > - libpisync, for PalmOS, is eminently usable, but the platform is > effectively dead. I'm using a circa-2004 Palm Treo; I suppose I could > upgrade to a Centro (2008) or a Treo 680 (2006, available from Tiger > Direct these days). Near bulletproof, by now, but newer models aren't > compatible with anything meaningful on Linux. My palm Tungsten-E never did sync properly with linux, and is the main reason I stopped using it. > - I can dump data off a BlackBerry using Barry, but I don't think I > can push data onto it. > - I don't think Android syncs against anything meaningful on Linux... But that might be fixable I imagine. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 16:19:13 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:19:13 -0500 Subject: Avoiding Rogers DNS breakage In-Reply-To: <7fc604580912081522ieedb13eg1823f4b509fccd55-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7fc604580912081522ieedb13eg1823f4b509fccd55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091209161913.GM761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 06:22:04PM -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Remember those threads a few months ago about Rogers breaking DNS behaviour > by giving an ad-filled search page for an un-resolving domain? Easily fixed too. whatever dns it gives you by dhcp resolves to dns.*.rogers.com Lookup altdns.*.rogers.com and use that instead. Perfectly sane normal DNS server. > Now Google has produced a tool that helps find the fastest public DNS server > for any installation. > It'll be interesting to see how well this works... > > http://code.google.com/p/namebench/ -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dennis_antle-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 16:27:35 2009 From: dennis_antle-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Dennis Antle) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:27:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bash Script to Monitor Space by Directory. Message-ID: <835510.65668.qm@web32008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone, ? This is my first post. ? I have a?SAN that is nearly full. I'm able to?monitor the?SAN volume using df, ?but it don't tell me where the growth took place. So I need to develop a bash script to monitor changes in size by directory, on the SAN volume. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 16:50:40 2009 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:50:40 -0500 Subject: Teksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <87my1sjdwp.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Slack Rat wrote: > Does anyone have any comments on teksavvy as an ISP? > > Good, bad, indifferent? > Beyond amazing. Zero problems, stunning customer service, and they allow for MLPPP to defeat Bell's DPI. -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 16:56:10 2009 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:56:10 -0500 Subject: Teksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <87my1sjdwp.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: A great ISP. But they still rely on Bell. Which means when Bell's DSL is down Teksavvy will be down as while. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Slack Rat wrote: > Does anyone have any comments on teksavvy as an ISP? > > Good, bad, indifferent? > > -- > Slackrat > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Myles Braithwaite me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org http://mylesbraithwaite.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 17:08:03 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:08:03 -0500 Subject: Teksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <87my1sjdwp.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <20091209170803.GN761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 05:44:06PM +0100, Slack Rat wrote: > Does anyone have any comments on teksavvy as an ISP? > > Good, bad, indifferent? My sister uses them. Works great. If I ever get around to dropping rogers cable modem I would pick them too. My parents will probably also move to them at some point just because the old istop equipment seems like it could fall over and die without warning. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 17:13:44 2009 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:13:44 -0500 Subject: Teksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <87my1sjdwp.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <20091209171344.GA3931@yam.witteman.ca> On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 05:44:06PM +0100, Slack Rat wrote: >Does anyone have any comments on teksavvy as an ISP? > >Good, bad, indifferent? Completely excellent - they are hampered by Bell, but they do everything else right. Tech support is smart, helpful and they know Linux. They also manage my telephone service, with better rates than Bell, without having to deal with tiresome calls to use this or that promotion. What I like best is that when the service goes out they deal with Bell, and I deal with them. It seems inefficient, until you realize that a 5-minute conversation with them is all that is needed, and then it gets taken care of by someone devoting all their efforts to getting your problem solved. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 17:28:37 2009 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:28:37 -0500 Subject: google wave In-Reply-To: <1260239516.3662.15624.camel@gont> References: <4B0ABA47.6020605@alteeve.com> <4B0B1945.9000302@utoronto.ca> <250f3b850911231624w326fcf17v700c7d12cc24b002@mail.gmail.com> <1260239516.3662.15624.camel@gont> Message-ID: My invites are piling up, for some reason I had 8 at first and now I have 24, so...they seem desperate ;) On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Matt Price wrote: > I have a tonne of invites, too. ?i agree with madi, though -- (a) > everyone who wants one pretty much has it already, and (b) it's pretty > frustrating to use so far. ?Though I think that's partly because it > really does have a lot of promise. > > matt > > On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 00:50 -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: >> On 2009-11-23, John Martin wrote: >> > I'd love one. Thanks if you can spare one. ?-j >> >> Sent. ?It may take time for it to get set up.... > > > -- > Matt Price > matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 17:34:48 2009 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:34:48 -0500 Subject: Teksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <20091209171344.GA3931-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209171344.GA3931@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <4B1FDFB8.4040809@the-wire.com> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > What I like best is that when the service goes out they deal with Bell, > and I deal with them. It seems inefficient, until you realize that a > 5-minute conversation with them is all that is needed, and then it gets > taken care of by someone devoting all their efforts to getting your > problem solved. This has been my experience too. My last troubles came when Bell was upgrading the local CO for TV/IP, and kept repeatedly misconfiguring my line. Teksavvy people were available 24/7, it seemed, had my account history right in front of them, and knew where to call in Bell. Since then, the service just works, like a service should. Mdl. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 17:35:43 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:35:43 -0500 Subject: google wave In-Reply-To: References: <4B0ABA47.6020605@alteeve.com> <4B0B1945.9000302@utoronto.ca> <250f3b850911231624w326fcf17v700c7d12cc24b002@mail.gmail.com> <1260239516.3662.15624.camel@gont> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Thomas Milne wrote: > My invites are piling up, for some reason I had 8 at first and now I > have 24, so...they seem desperate ;) I've only got 22, because I passed a couple of them out! I suppose that they may have reached the "tipping point" where they are getting in the infrastructure to be able to scale up to cope with having quite a lot more users. I doubt it's actually desperation! The service is way less interesting than it would be if it: a) Integrated with GMail in interesting ways. b) Could manipulate streams of their "chat" messages. I'm not notably interested in IM; the offline behaviour of Wave makes that more nearly interesting. It's underwhelming at this point. (And it should be pretty clear, by now, that if anyone *does* want a Wave account, there are plenty of us able to point you in the right direction!) -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Ted Turner - "Sports is like a war without the killing." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/ted_turner.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 17:55:32 2009 From: fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Salman Ahmed) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:55:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Teksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <87my1sjdwp.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <27423.97345.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> What everyone's already said... great customer service, 0 problems, great price. Will recommend them without any hesitation. -- Salman Ahmed --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Slack Rat wrote: > From: Slack Rat > Subject: [TLUG]: Teksavvy ISP > To: "TLUG" > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 11:44 AM > Does anyone have any comments on > teksavvy as an ISP? > > Good, bad, indifferent? > > -- > Slackrat > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From pete-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 18:16:21 2009 From: pete-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Pete Lancashire) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:16:21 -0800 Subject: Call for salvaged hardware! In-Reply-To: <1260296290.11645.247.camel-Cc8bTzyuDCFg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> <1260243734.3662.16067.camel@gont> <1260296290.11645.247.camel@bliss.ss.org> Message-ID: The org I mentioned in Portland has (had?) a CD that I think has a section on helping set up sister organizations. If no longer available I'm sure I can get someone there to give a few pointers on their successes. I helped lay the ground work getting the City of Portland to donate all their cast offs. It is not uncommon for them to get from a corporation in a single donation 100 identical Dell/HP/etc PC's only 3 years old. -pete > How about putting out a general notice and seeing how many groups could > send a representative to a gathering in the "Cafe". > > There is a ton of hardware out there. Many companies just send it to > the junk yard because they do not know how to dispose of it without > costing an arm and a leg. I have found two in the last two weeks. Jon > is going to put together something for me to use in order to show the > companies what a good Samaritans they could be. > > If we all new who the groups doing the same thing were, what their focus > is, we would have a better chance of advertising and getting more "left > overs". Helping one another helps all! > Maureen > > > On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 22:42 -0500, Matt Price wrote: >> On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 14:38 -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: >> > On 12/7/09, Matt Price wrote: >> > > some of you may remember that years ago I taught a linux-focussed >> "build >> > > your own computer" course using salvaged hardware. I'm reviving this >> > > course in the new year at a downtown elementary school, and am >> looking >> > > for parts for 15 or 16 systems that school kids will build up, >> install >> > > ubuntu on, and learn to use. If it's successful, I'm hoping to >> expand >> > > the program out into a bunch of neighbourhood schools, and maybe get >> a >> > > kind of computer club going where kids learn a little bit of >> programming >> > > and systems administrations. >> > > >> > > Anyway, that said: i thought I had a line on a substantial supply, >> but >> > > my source has fallen through. So I'm putting out a general plea for >> > > hardware -- boxes, parts, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc... >> Meanwhile >> > > I'll keep plying my other connections as well. >> > > >> > Okay... >> > >> > I've been involved with Jon Alexander in doing some computer >> > give-aways at a local food bank, where my role has been to do some >> > introductory Linux education (the machines go out the door with Ubuntu >> > installed). C. Martens in in the process of setting up something >> > quasi-similar. Lee Andrew MacNeil is interested in other projects >> > centred around keeping old machines out of landfills. >> > >> > So, what I see here is multiple projects looking at ways of helping >> > people who need computers, get them free. So, next question, all these >> > projects have an on-going need for computer equipment. Question is, >> > how can these projects and people help each other? >> >> Colin, I think you're asking a really important question. I was just >> talking to John this afternoon about this very thing -- the >> proliferation of similar projects that's happening right now (and I'd >> actually include things like Hacklab in this list, too, even if its >> focus is a little bit further out from the central cluster that binds >> the rest of us together). I think we should think about trying to work >> together, at least in a loose, informal way; and about what the precise >> scope and ambition of each project is, and how we might support each >> other. >> >> I'd really like to hear what other people have to say. Thanks for >> raising this issue, Colin! >> >> Matt >> > -- > My Genie > Call 416.466,6149 > Cell 416.564.6920 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 18:13:40 2009 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:13:40 -0500 Subject: Teksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <27423.97345.qm-0TFTB1ODR9iB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <27423.97345.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1260382420.20300.972.camel@gont> i love them. occasionally DNS seems to go out, but they're quick to respond to any issues. i use mlppp to get around the bell throttling -- you have to pay a small premium for that, and need a linux-based flashable router, but if you're on this list you likely have one already... dramatically superior to both bell and rogers, in any case. matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 18:18:48 2009 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:18:48 -0500 Subject: Call for salvaged hardware! In-Reply-To: References: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> <1260243734.3662.16067.camel@gont> <1260296290.11645.247.camel@bliss.ss.org> Message-ID: <1260382728.20300.988.camel@gont> On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 16:42 -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Maureen E.Thornton wrote: > I don't want to be over-negative about this, but it's not all that > easy to dispose of elderly computers effectively/economically. > > There are several problems that make it difficult for such enterprises > to be particularly economical: > > - Enterprises needing to do disposal need to dispose of quite a lot of > hardware. 200 computers, 150 monitors, and such. > > - For this to be a viable enterprise (and I am not assuming a > particular form of business organization; I don't think not-for-profit > versus for-profit changes the questions/answers essentially), it isn't > just a one time shot - they need to cope with this stuff coming in > 100x per year. > > - Transport and storage are both costly. You need all of: > a) Real estate to accommodate the hardware in compact piles, > b) Real estate to represent a "work area", > c) Truck(s) to do delivery > d) Staff, available on demand, to bring piles of hardware in, and > move it between a), b), and c) > e) Staff to [do something] with the hardware once it's there > f) Presumably, some portion of the materials will need to get put > into another truck to go out somewhere else > > When I lived in Texas, there was a place that did this; it had > low-cost, terribly-far-from-downtown, warehouse space, and they added > in g) I think these are actually important concerns that should be taken very seriously. But for me at least there are other goals, see below... > There's something of a mistake here, too, of assuming that the > materials are "interesting as computers," which is roughly the same > mistake people commonly make when thinking about places like Future > A similarly cynical view applies fairly well to bookstores... Most > bookstores are businesses that receive boxes full of objects that fit > nicely on shelves, and try to sell these objects as effectively as > they can. Being a "book lover" isn't necessarily a useful attribute > for the staff at a Chapters outlet. > > Back to the "old computer store"... I can't see this reclamation > enterprise being of terribly much interest to "computer lovers" - the > economics of it discourage that. > > A "computer reprocessing" place has a *huge* risk of falling into the > same problem. And it quickly ceases to be "good Samaritans," > transforming instead into "that crazy old lady who has 470 cats in her > apartment." :-( For me the interesting part of any such project is not recycling e-waste -- i mean, that's great to do and we should do it -- but the best way not generate waste is to stop using all these ridiculous gadgets we use. What i'm after is the transformative effects of free software -- the way that it turns you intos someone who undersntads and controls the tools you use on a daily basis, and how, fundamentally, it still holds out some promise of organizing the world in a Better Way. So I think of my efforts as "emancipatory technology" -- technology-based initiatives that really aim at either personal or social transformation, though perhaps in a smallish way. So the pedagogical aims are certainly at least as prominent for me as either the environmental or enterprise-focused ones. just my 0.02 CAD. I do agree w/ maureen & colin that we ought to ocntinue this discussion as a kind of meta-collective -- all the initiatives should be figuroing out how to support each other. matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I helped lay the ground > work getting the City of Portland to donate all their cast > offs. > > It is not uncommon for them to get from a corporation > in a single donation 100 identical Dell/HP/etc PC's only 3 > years old. > i believe that the freegeek affiliation process is already underway -- not by me, but by some of the other interested parties... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 18:22:42 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:22:42 -0500 Subject: Teksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <1260382420.20300.972.camel@gont> References: <27423.97345.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1260382420.20300.972.camel@gont> Message-ID: <4B1FEAF2.3090605@moores.ca> Matt Price wrote: > i love them. occasionally DNS seems to go out, but they're quick to Salman Ahmed wrote: > What everyone's already said... great customer service, 0 problems, great price. Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > The best possible one. At least around 3 years ago when i was with them. > William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > > Completely excellent - they are hampered by Bell, but they do > everything > else right. Tech support is smart, helpful and they know Linux. Lennart Sorensen wrote: > My sister uses them. Works great. > > If I ever get around to dropping rogers cable modem I would pick them > too. Myles Braithwaite wrote: > A great ISP. But they still rely on Bell. Which means when Bell's DSL > is down Teksavvy will be down as while. Thomas Milne wrote: > > Beyond amazing. Zero problems, stunning customer service, and they > allow for MLPPP to defeat Bell's DPI. Well, obviously you lot are of two minds on this thing. I guess Slack Rat is just going to have to decide if he wants to take his chances or not. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 18:29:47 2009 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:29:47 -0800 Subject: Teksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <87my1sjdwp.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0912091029m2f37cf8fi765938dd3c70c14@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Slack Rat wrote: > Does anyone have any comments on teksavvy as an ISP? > > Good, bad, indifferent? > > -- > Slackrat > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Same comment as the rest. Compared to other DSL ISP's they're great, but they (as will pretty much all DSL providers) do make use of Bell's system, so if you do run into any issues that's where they'll come from. What I might recommend is first checking others in the area that use DSL, and finding out what the base speeds are. If Bell has given you - as they did me when I was up near Fairview Mall - an overextended DSL run, then you'll get crappy service regardless of which company you sign up under. If you've got a good run and decide to go with DSL then go with Teksavvy. - TJA -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 18:33:08 2009 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:33:08 -0800 Subject: Well, I'll buy that there's *one*... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a97ef0912091033s79612317gba38e596655629ac@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > "10 Windows features I would like to see in Linux" > http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1196 > > A fair number of the items aren't "features" as I'd recognize them... > > The only one I'd unambiguously agree with is that syncing cell phones > is a Huge Pain for anything aside from PalmOS-based stuff. > > - libpisync, for PalmOS, is eminently usable, but the platform is > effectively dead. ?I'm using a circa-2004 Palm Treo; I suppose I could > upgrade to a Centro (2008) or a Treo 680 (2006, available from Tiger > Direct these days). ?Near bulletproof, by now, but newer models aren't > compatible with anything meaningful on Linux. > - I can dump data off a BlackBerry using Barry, but I don't think I > can push data onto it. > - I don't think Android syncs against anything meaningful on Linux... > -- > http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html > Charles de Gaulle ?- "The better I get to know men, the more I find > myself loving dogs." - > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/charles_de_gaulle.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > My Palm synced nicely with Linux. My girlfriend's iPod mini syncs nicely with Linux (I believe we last used Rhythmbox for this), but I have yet to find any way to sync/copy songs properly for the iPhone 3G. Still, I haven't tried it with the newer versions of stuff in Karmic, and as all the other little issues resolved over time I'm hoping this one will too... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 18:36:25 2009 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:36:25 -0800 Subject: USB LCD's and Linux Message-ID: <3a97ef0912091036p5121499ay8b350b0986f033dc@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know of any USB LCD's that work well with Linux. Preferably of the touchscreen variety. They don't need to be USB-powered (though that would be cool), but they should be able to work without a VGA/DVI cable so I can use them with something like a ShivaPlug, etc. Actually, along those lines - anyone know something smallish like the Shiva but with a DVI/VGA/HDMI output port, and/or something I can do wifi with (even USB-wifi is fine)? The current Shiva only seems to have a single USB port... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 18:49:52 2009 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:49:52 -0500 Subject: linux and the hp officejet pro 8500 wireless Message-ID: <1260384592.20300.1059.camel@gont> hi folks, we need a new printer and i think i've settled on the one in the subject line (more here: http://reviews.cnet.com/multifunction-devices/hp-officejet-pro-8500/4505-3181_7-33518790.html?tag=mncol;txt ) just thought i'd check in before pressing the "buy now" button -- anyone have any experience, good or bad, with this printer? Or is your current multifunction so awesome that you HAVE to recommend it over this one? Thanks, Matt -- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 18:56:26 2009 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:56:26 -0500 Subject: Automatic Network Shutdown / Restart Message-ID: <4B1FF2DA.60102@golden.net> I'm trying to condition my kids into submission over dinner time and I am tired of the debate. Short of disabling the internet for their accounts I wanted to set up an automated process. There is some stuff going on here https://launchpad.net/webcontentcontrol I'm not interested in this at this time and it appears to not have a time lock out. I'm trying to invoke at 17:00 ifconfig eth0 down and at 19:00 ifconfig eth0 up. I created a simple script for each command. I tested each and they work and they are both executable. I placed them in /bin and set up a root crontab job. Both my home boxes are shut down at night and I think this is part of where what I want to do fails. IIRC Cron is meant for machines that are up 24/7 and anacron is used more so for infrequent task over a delay period. I'm new to using cron / anacron so I'm missing the point somewhere. I've read up that root doesn't have access to a user X session and think this may also be part on the problem. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 19:00:40 2009 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:00:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: linux and the hp officejet pro 8500 wireless In-Reply-To: <1260384592.20300.1059.camel@gont> References: <1260384592.20300.1059.camel@gont> Message-ID: <20716.99.253.254.243.1260385240.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Is the cost of the cartridges reasonable? That's a huge issue if you use the printer a lot. Peter > hi folks, > > we need a new printer and i think i've settled on the one in the subject > line (more here: > http://reviews.cnet.com/multifunction-devices/hp-officejet-pro-8500/4505-3181_7-33518790.html?tag=mncol;txt > ) > > just thought i'd check in before pressing the "buy now" button -- anyone > have any experience, good or bad, with this printer? Or is your current > multifunction so awesome that you HAVE to recommend it over this one? > Thanks, > > Matt > > > -- > Matt Price > matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 19:13:10 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:13:10 -0500 Subject: Automatic Network Shutdown / Restart In-Reply-To: <4B1FF2DA.60102-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B1FF2DA.60102@golden.net> Message-ID: <4B1FF6C6.1040201@moores.ca> If your kids don't turn on the machine until after 5pm then cron will miss the job. Also, all they have to do is reboot the machine after the 5pm shutdown and it will come back up again. You need to have a script that you run frequently. (5min) It will check the time and bring up or shut down the interface as it required. John Myshrall wrote: > I'm trying to condition my kids into submission over dinner time and I > am tired of the debate. Short of disabling the internet for their > accounts I wanted to set up an automated process. There is some stuff > going on here https://launchpad.net/webcontentcontrol I'm not interested > in this at this time and it appears to not have a time lock out. > > I'm trying to invoke at 17:00 ifconfig eth0 down and at 19:00 ifconfig > eth0 up. I created a simple script for each command. I tested each and > they work and they are both executable. I placed them in /bin and set up > a root crontab job. > > Both my home boxes are shut down at night and I think this is part of > where what I want to do fails. IIRC Cron is meant for machines that are > up 24/7 and anacron is used more so for infrequent task over a delay > period. I'm new to using cron / anacron so I'm missing the point > somewhere. I've read up that root doesn't have access to a user X > session and think this may also be part on the problem. > > Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. > > John > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 19:19:33 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:19:33 -0500 Subject: Automatic Network Shutdown / Restart In-Reply-To: <4B1FF2DA.60102-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B1FF2DA.60102@golden.net> Message-ID: <4B1FF845.2040403@moores.ca> FYI here is a script I wrote for similar purposes. I often leave the kids computer on without any one using it because it also acts as a print server. Therefore I don't want it going to sleep after a period of inactivity. However I do want to make sure it shuts down at night, and if someone is using it, I want to make sure they get sufficient warning before hand. My solution was to have /etc/crontab as follows: # m h dom mon dow user command 17 * * * * root cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly 25 6 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) 47 6 * * 7 root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly ) 52 6 1 * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.monthly ) 50 22 * * * root xwrite "This machine is going down in ten (10) minutes. Please save your work and log off." 55 22 * * * root xwrite --warning "This machine is going down in five (5) minutes. Please Log off now." 59 22 * * * root xwrite --error --title Shutdown "This machine is going down in one (1) minute. This is the last warning.\n YOU MUST LOG OFF NOW!!!" 00 23 * * * root shutdown -P now # this gives any logged in users 10min then 5min then 1min warning before shutdown. xwrite is a script I wrote which displays a popup message on all xwindows sessions. it looks like this: #!/bin/bash # # xwrite # # send message to users on all graphic terminals # dialogtype="--info" userlist= while test -n "$1"; do case "$1" in --title) title="--title $2" shift ;; --warning) dialogtype="--warning" ;; --error) dialogtype="--error" ;; --info) dialogtype="--info" ;; --user) userlist="$userlist $2" shift ;; *) message=$1 shift ;; esac shift done if [[ ! $userlist ]]; then userlist=$(users | tr " " "\n" | uniq) fi #itterate through all users logged into this machine for myuser in $userlist; do #get list of graphic terminals each user in logged in on displaylist=$(last | grep "$myuser.*[[:space:]]:[[:digit:]].*still logged in" | awk '{print $2 "\n" $3;}' | grep "^:[[:digit:]][[:digit:]]*$") #itterate through every terminal for every user for display in $displaylist; do #display system message sudo -u $myuser /usr/bin/zenity $dialogtype $title --text "$message" --display=$display & done done -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 19:28:08 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:28:08 -0500 Subject: linux and the hp officejet pro 8500 wireless In-Reply-To: <20716.99.253.254.243.1260385240.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <1260384592.20300.1059.camel@gont> <20716.99.253.254.243.1260385240.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <4B1FFA48.5030509@moores.ca> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Is the cost of the cartridges reasonable? That's a huge issue if you use > the printer a lot. > It's an HP so of course it isn't -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 19:33:31 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:33:31 -0500 Subject: USB LCD's and Linux In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0912091036p5121499ay8b350b0986f033dc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0912091036p5121499ay8b350b0986f033dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091209193331.GO761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 10:36:25AM -0800, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Does anyone know of any USB LCD's that work well with Linux. > Preferably of the touchscreen variety. > They don't need to be USB-powered (though that would be cool), but > they should be able to work without a VGA/DVI cable so I can use them > with something like a ShivaPlug, etc. Well there are lots of LCD monitors with touch support out there, although I suspect most use VGA or DVI for the video and serial or usb for the touch screen. USB to VGA adapters do exist, and linux has drivers for the sis315/net2280 based ones. I guess combining a usb hub + LCD touch screen + usb2vga adapter would get the job done. > Actually, along those lines - anyone know something smallish like the > Shiva but with a DVI/VGA/HDMI output port, and/or something I can do > wifi with (even USB-wifi is fine)? The current Shiva only seems to > have a single USB port... http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-24-openrd-client-openrd-client-board-with-enclosure.aspx Has VGA output as far as I can tell, and 7 USB ports, dual gigabit, eSATA, etc. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 19:33:00 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:33:00 -0500 Subject: USB LCD's and Linux In-Reply-To: <20091209193331.GO761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0912091036p5121499ay8b350b0986f033dc@mail.gmail.com> <20091209193331.GO761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B1FFB6C.1040406@moores.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 10:36:25AM -0800, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> Does anyone know of any USB LCD's that work well with Linux. >> Preferably of the touchscreen variety. >> They don't need to be USB-powered (though that would be cool), but >> they should be able to work without a VGA/DVI cable so I can use them >> with something like a ShivaPlug, etc. > > Well there are lots of LCD monitors with touch support out there, > although I suspect most use VGA or DVI for the video and serial or usb > for the touch screen. > > USB to VGA adapters do exist, and linux has drivers for the sis315/net2280 > based ones. > > I guess combining a usb hub + LCD touch screen + usb2vga adapter would > get the job done. > I suspect he is refering to something more along this line: http://www.crystalfontz.com/products/index-usb.html though I don't know for sure. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 19:34:14 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:34:14 -0500 Subject: USB LCD's and Linux In-Reply-To: <4B1FFB6C.1040406-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0912091036p5121499ay8b350b0986f033dc@mail.gmail.com> <20091209193331.GO761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1FFB6C.1040406@moores.ca> Message-ID: <4B1FFBB6.7090109@moores.ca> Darryl Moore wrote: > \> > I suspect he is refering to something more along this line: > http://www.crystalfontz.com/products/index-usb.html > though I don't know for sure. Oops, maybe not. My bad. I need to learn to read better. babble babble babble -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 19:51:43 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:51:43 -0500 Subject: Well, I'll buy that there's *one*... In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0912091033s79612317gba38e596655629ac-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0912091033s79612317gba38e596655629ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: >> "10 Windows features I would like to see in Linux" >> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1196 >> >> A fair number of the items aren't "features" as I'd recognize them... >> >> The only one I'd unambiguously agree with is that syncing cell phones >> is a Huge Pain for anything aside from PalmOS-based stuff. >> >> - libpisync, for PalmOS, is eminently usable, but the platform is >> effectively dead. ?I'm using a circa-2004 Palm Treo; I suppose I could >> upgrade to a Centro (2008) or a Treo 680 (2006, available from Tiger >> Direct these days). ?Near bulletproof, by now, but newer models aren't >> compatible with anything meaningful on Linux. >> - I can dump data off a BlackBerry using Barry, but I don't think I >> can push data onto it. >> - I don't think Android syncs against anything meaningful on Linux... > > My Palm synced nicely with Linux. My girlfriend's iPod mini syncs > nicely with Linux (I believe we last used Rhythmbox for this), but I > have yet to find any way to sync/copy songs properly for the iPhone > 3G. Still, I haven't tried it with the newer versions of stuff in > Karmic, and as all the other little issues resolved over time I'm > hoping this one will too... Older iPods are quite usable with tools like Rhythmbox, GNUpod, GTKpod, Anarok, and probably some others, though essentially with a 1-way interaction. You can copy data from "Linux world" into "iPod world." That includes calendar + address data; you can dump in iCal / iCard formats, and the iPod will happily read these formats (they're IETF standards). However, as I said, it's a 1-way interaction. You can't notably pull data off of the iPod: - If you later sync with iTunes, it rather likes to turf the data you might have installed from the Linux side. (There may be untruth here, but not intentionally... I have seen this sort of breakage...) - You can't update calendar/addresses on the iPod. Things change substantially with the iPhone and iTouch: - They no longer look like USB storage devices; access to that "transport route" is something Apple guards pretty jealously - Many apps can talk across the network (wifi) to get/put data, so that you could presumably sync calendars against an iCal/WebDav server - Using anything other than iTunes to push/pull music requires "hacking" the unit (aka "jailbreaking") That seems *way* less viable to me, particularly since the vendor opposes "free action" and has been known to change protocols, firmware, software, and such in order to "remedy" hacks that have opened things up. I happen to have an iPod touch; I treat it as being something that I don't care to have interact with Linux. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Stephen Leacock - "I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I shall some day die, which is not so." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 19:53:08 2009 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:53:08 -0500 Subject: linux and the hp officejet pro 8500 wireless In-Reply-To: <1260384592.20300.1059.camel@gont> References: <1260384592.20300.1059.camel@gont> Message-ID: <4B200024.9090701@rogers.com> Matt Price wrote: > hi folks, > > we need a new printer and i think i've settled on the one in the subject > line (more here: > http://reviews.cnet.com/multifunction-devices/hp-officejet-pro-8500/4505-3181_7-33518790.html?tag=mncol;txt ) > > just thought i'd check in before pressing the "buy now" button -- anyone > have any experience, good or bad, with this printer? Or is your current > multifunction so awesome that you HAVE to recommend it over this one? > Thanks, > > Matt > > > I think that you should read the comments that are attached to the Cnet review. While Cnet gives it a 'Good' rating, the commenters aren't nearly so generous. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 20:01:57 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:01:57 -0500 Subject: linux and the hp officejet pro 8500 wireless In-Reply-To: <1260384592.20300.1059.camel@gont> References: <1260384592.20300.1059.camel@gont> Message-ID: <20091209200157.GP761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 01:49:52PM -0500, Matt Price wrote: > we need a new printer and i think i've settled on the one in the subject > line (more here: > http://reviews.cnet.com/multifunction-devices/hp-officejet-pro-8500/4505-3181_7-33518790.html?tag=mncol;txt ) > > just thought i'd check in before pressing the "buy now" button -- anyone > have any experience, good or bad, with this printer? Or is your current > multifunction so awesome that you HAVE to recommend it over this one? All I can say is the HP CM8050MFC is a disaster. I can't anti-recommend HP printers highly enough. My sister has an Epson Workforce 500 which has so far worked very well for her (although she uses windows). I know printing works fine with gutenprint though, although for scanning iscan from linux.avasys.jp seems to currently be the only working option. Not sure how big of a group it can deal with. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 20:02:20 2009 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:02:20 -0200 Subject: New User Message-ID: I don't know if you have any policy regarding new users, so I'm presenting myself (before coming back to lurker mode) I'm from Rio de Janeiro, currently living in S?o Paulo, Brazil. Probably moving to Toronto very soon. Can't wait to know the Canadian linux community. My first contact with linux was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away (late 90's? I was probably underage...), with a brazilian version named Conectiva, now merged with Mandrake - Mandriva. Hope I can be helpful here. -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 20:03:14 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:03:14 -0500 Subject: linux and the hp officejet pro 8500 wireless In-Reply-To: <20091209200157.GP761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <1260384592.20300.1059.camel@gont> <20091209200157.GP761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B200282.2000304@moores.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > All I can say is the HP CM8050MFC is a disaster. I can't anti-recommend > HP printers highly enough. > > My sister has an Epson Workforce 500 which has so far worked very well > for her (although she uses windows). I know printing works fine with > gutenprint though, although for scanning iscan from linux.avasys.jp > seems to currently be the only working option. Not sure how big of a > group it can deal with. > That's interesting. I though HP were one of the better companies in terms of Linux support. I've never had any problems with HP printers myself, though I've never used one of their scanners. Who are the better companies then for Linux support? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 20:08:36 2009 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:08:36 -0300 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1089a0320912091208t497fce4dn52bb763be19136b4@mail.gmail.com> Hi there Renata. Welcome. As you can see in my name, I'm a brazilian too. (Go brazilians Go!) hehe I'm not in Canada at the time but I lived in there for almost a year and came back to finish my University. I'll arrive in Toronto again in 2011 or 2012. With my experience in the list, I can tell you that there's no problem to be from a different country. TLUG's users received me very well. I'm sure will be the same with you. To help you, I would recommend you to promise them some brazilian stuffs like I did. ( Caipirinha, Zeca Pagodinho's dvd, etc..) hehe Just Kidding Cheers --- - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org - KDE Brasil Member - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Renata Rocha wrote: > I don't know if you have any policy regarding new users, so I'm presenting > myself (before coming back to lurker mode) > > I'm from Rio de Janeiro, currently living in S?o Paulo, Brazil. Probably > moving to Toronto very soon. Can't wait to know the Canadian linux > community. > > My first contact with linux was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away > (late 90's? I was probably underage...), with a brazilian version named > Conectiva, now merged with Mandrake - Mandriva. > > Hope I can be helpful here. > > -- > Renata Rocha > http://renata.org > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 20:11:54 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:11:54 -0500 Subject: linux and the hp officejet pro 8500 wireless In-Reply-To: <4B200024.9090701-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1260384592.20300.1059.camel@gont> <4B200024.9090701@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20091209201154.GQ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 02:53:08PM -0500, John McGregor wrote: > I think that you should read the comments that are attached to the Cnet > review. While Cnet gives it a 'Good' rating, the commenters aren't > nearly so generous. I simply don't give any weight to anything coming from *.cnet.com. They are useless. I think a xerox 6180MFP looks like a much better product (at a price to match though at $650). postscript support, laser (much cheaper to run and much more reliable, especially compared to HP's awful inkjet technology). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 20:15:36 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:15:36 -0500 Subject: linux and the hp officejet pro 8500 wireless In-Reply-To: <4B200282.2000304-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <1260384592.20300.1059.camel@gont> <20091209200157.GP761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B200282.2000304@moores.ca> Message-ID: <20091209201536.GR761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 03:03:14PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > > All I can say is the HP CM8050MFC is a disaster. I can't anti-recommend > > HP printers highly enough. > > > > My sister has an Epson Workforce 500 which has so far worked very well > > for her (although she uses windows). I know printing works fine with > > gutenprint though, although for scanning iscan from linux.avasys.jp > > seems to currently be the only working option. Not sure how big of a > > group it can deal with. > > > > That's interesting. I though HP were one of the better companies in > terms of Linux support. I've never had any problems with HP printers > myself, though I've never used one of their scanners. Who are the better > companies then for Linux support? Oh HP has decent linux support for their inkjets these days. Unfortunately their hardware is shit. Not something their new open source software group can fix unfortunately. Like the opposite of ATI (great hardware with shit for software). HP simply can't make a reliable printer anymore. They seem to have forgotten how. Epson knows relaible inkjets and have by far the best inkjet technology of anyone. Epson does not have a clue when it comes to lasers and I think they fortunately stopped trying years ago. Epson does have some cheap inkjets best avoided but they have some very good ones too. Canon has never made a good printer and probably never will. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 20:04:43 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:04:43 +0300 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B2002DB.5040908@gmail.com> > > Renata Rocha > http://renata.org Wow! But I can not read esperanto... zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 20:18:17 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:18:17 -0500 Subject: Automatic Network Shutdown / Restart In-Reply-To: <4B1FF2DA.60102-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B1FF2DA.60102@golden.net> Message-ID: <20091209201817.GS761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 01:56:26PM -0500, John Myshrall wrote: > I'm trying to condition my kids into submission over dinner time and I > am tired of the debate. Short of disabling the internet for their > accounts I wanted to set up an automated process. There is some stuff > going on here https://launchpad.net/webcontentcontrol I'm not interested > in this at this time and it appears to not have a time lock out. > > I'm trying to invoke at 17:00 ifconfig eth0 down and at 19:00 ifconfig > eth0 up. I created a simple script for each command. I tested each and > they work and they are both executable. I placed them in /bin and set up > a root crontab job. > > Both my home boxes are shut down at night and I think this is part of > where what I want to do fails. IIRC Cron is meant for machines that are > up 24/7 and anacron is used more so for infrequent task over a delay > period. I'm new to using cron / anacron so I'm missing the point > somewhere. I've read up that root doesn't have access to a user X > session and think this may also be part on the problem. > > Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. http://skindley.wordpress.com/2006/12/11/fedora-core-6-controlling-logins-by-time/ -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 20:21:29 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:21:29 +0300 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <1089a0320912091208t497fce4dn52bb763be19136b4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1089a0320912091208t497fce4dn52bb763be19136b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2006C9.9060805@gmail.com> Marcelo Cavalcante wrote: > With my experience in the list, I can tell you that there's no problem > to be from a different country. > > TLUG's users received me very well. I'm sure will be the same with you. > > Absolutely. I am Polish (and Canadian, sure), now in Russia (nice mixture, isnt it?), and TLUGers just love me ;) Many years ago when I was doing PhD in Physics in Amsterdam, I got a letter (snail mail, just to explain, at these times the Internet did almost not exist yet) from a Polish lady who went as a scientist to Brazil. She wrote there: Brazil is the most tolerant country in the world! I read that letter to my Dutch friend and he was shocked: how is that possible? Holland is the most tolerant one! zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lists-aILacZ9cc/a1Qrn1Bg8BZw at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 20:45:24 2009 From: lists-aILacZ9cc/a1Qrn1Bg8BZw at public.gmane.org (Matt London) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:45:24 -0500 Subject: linux and the hp officejet pro 8500 wireless In-Reply-To: <20091209201536.GR761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <1260384592.20300.1059.camel@gont> <20091209200157.GP761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B200282.2000304@moores.ca> <20091209201536.GR761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B200C64.4060906@knm.org.uk> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 03:03:14PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: > >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >>> All I can say is the HP CM8050MFC is a disaster. I can't anti-recommend >>> HP printers highly enough. >>> >>> My sister has an Epson Workforce 500 which has so far worked very well >>> for her (although she uses windows). I know printing works fine with >>> gutenprint though, although for scanning iscan from linux.avasys.jp >>> seems to currently be the only working option. Not sure how big of a >>> group it can deal with. >>> >>> >> That's interesting. I though HP were one of the better companies in >> terms of Linux support. I've never had any problems with HP printers >> myself, though I've never used one of their scanners. Who are the better >> companies then for Linux support? >> > > Oh HP has decent linux support for their inkjets these days. > Unfortunately their hardware is shit. Not something their new open > source software group can fix unfortunately. > > Like the opposite of ATI (great hardware with shit for software). > > HP simply can't make a reliable printer anymore. They seem to have > forgotten how. > > Epson knows relaible inkjets and have by far the best inkjet technology > of anyone. Epson does not have a clue when it comes to lasers and I > think they fortunately stopped trying years ago. Epson does have some > cheap inkjets best avoided but they have some very good ones too. > > Canon has never made a good printer and probably never will. > > Just to be a pedant - but I'm sure most of the HP laserjets use canon print engines - at least they did a few years back. Matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 20:49:11 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:49:11 -0500 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B200D47.7080109@alteeve.com> Renata Rocha wrote: > I don't know if you have any policy regarding new users, so I'm > presenting myself (before coming back to lurker mode) > > I'm from Rio de Janeiro, currently living in S?o Paulo, Brazil. Probably > moving to Toronto very soon. Can't wait to know the Canadian linux > community. > > My first contact with linux was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far > away (late 90's? I was probably underage...), with a brazilian version > named Conectiva, now merged with Mandrake - Mandriva. > > Hope I can be helpful here. Welcome! I'm just a boring 'ol Canadian, but I'm originally from the east coast. Sometimes I think that makes me just as foreign though. :P Anywho, we've got not problems at all with non-Torontonians here on the list. Many of us come and go from the city. You'll just see occasional threads that won't really apply to those outside, but meh, they're usually nothing special. Cheers! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 20:51:00 2009 From: matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Matthew Middleton) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:51:00 -0500 Subject: Teksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <87my1sjdwp.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: Until last week, I'd have been singing their praises, but I've recently had a very poor experience with their customer service. The gist of it was, they completely screwed up when I ordered a new modem, which has left me with no internet access from home for a week and a half. While my original modem's failure wasn't their fault, the order SNAFU was. If you go with them, make sure that you triple-confirm all of your information, especially how you want to be billed, and your shipping address for the modem. -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Slack Rat Sent: December 9, 2009 11:44 AM To: TLUG Subject: [TLUG]: Teksavvy ISP Does anyone have any comments on teksavvy as an ISP? Good, bad, indifferent? -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.85/2532 - Release Date: 11/28/09 07:45:00 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 20:54:49 2009 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:54:49 -0500 Subject: Bash Script to Monitor Space by Directory. In-Reply-To: <835510.65668.qm-878fnSLL0zavuULXzWHTWIglqE1Y4D90QQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <835510.65668.qm@web32008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B200E99.6090705@ve3syb.ca> Dennis Antle wrote: > So I need to develop a bash script to monitor changes in size by > directory, on the SAN volume. > I'm looking for advise as to how to go about this? You could use the du command to get the information you need. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 20:59:20 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:59:20 -0500 Subject: linux and the hp officejet pro 8500 wireless In-Reply-To: <4B200C64.4060906-aILacZ9cc/a1Qrn1Bg8BZw@public.gmane.org> References: <1260384592.20300.1059.camel@gont> <20091209200157.GP761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B200282.2000304@moores.ca> <20091209201536.GR761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B200C64.4060906@knm.org.uk> Message-ID: <20091209205920.GT761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 03:45:24PM -0500, Matt London wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 03:03:14PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: > > > >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> > >>> All I can say is the HP CM8050MFC is a disaster. I can't anti-recommend > >>> HP printers highly enough. > >>> > >>> My sister has an Epson Workforce 500 which has so far worked very well > >>> for her (although she uses windows). I know printing works fine with > >>> gutenprint though, although for scanning iscan from linux.avasys.jp > >>> seems to currently be the only working option. Not sure how big of a > >>> group it can deal with. > >>> > >>> > >> That's interesting. I though HP were one of the better companies in > >> terms of Linux support. I've never had any problems with HP printers > >> myself, though I've never used one of their scanners. Who are the better > >> companies then for Linux support? > >> > > > > Oh HP has decent linux support for their inkjets these days. > > Unfortunately their hardware is shit. Not something their new open > > source software group can fix unfortunately. > > > > Like the opposite of ATI (great hardware with shit for software). > > > > HP simply can't make a reliable printer anymore. They seem to have > > forgotten how. > > > > Epson knows relaible inkjets and have by far the best inkjet technology > > of anyone. Epson does not have a clue when it comes to lasers and I > > think they fortunately stopped trying years ago. Epson does have some > > cheap inkjets best avoided but they have some very good ones too. > > > > Canon has never made a good printer and probably never will. > > > > > Just to be a pedant - but I'm sure most of the HP laserjets use canon > print engines - at least they did a few years back. Oops. I means to say Canon has never made a good inkjet printer and probably never will. Just like Epson has never made a good laser printer. Canon makes perfectly good laser printer engines it seems. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 20:47:36 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:47:36 +0300 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <4B200D47.7080109-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B200D47.7080109@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B200CE8.5050009@gmail.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Renata Rocha wrote: >> I don't know if you have any policy regarding new users, so I'm >> presenting myself (before coming back to lurker mode) >> >> I'm from Rio de Janeiro, currently living in S?o Paulo, Brazil. >> Probably moving to Toronto very soon. Can't wait to know the Canadian >> linux community. >> >> My first contact with linux was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far >> away (late 90's? I was probably underage...), with a brazilian >> version named Conectiva, now merged with Mandrake - Mandriva. >> >> Hope I can be helpful here. > > Welcome! > > I'm just a boring 'ol Canadian, but I'm originally from the east > coast. Sometimes I think that makes me just as foreign though. :P > > Anywho, we've got not problems at all with non-Torontonians here on > the list. Many of us come and go from the city. You'll just see > occasional threads that won't really apply to those outside, but meh, > they're usually nothing special. > How can you contradict yourself? Nothing special? The point is that yes, everything from outside is special. You are special because you are from Labrador or NF, or Halifax (where I landed first in Canada). I believe that people from outside are more special ;) There was such a fellow in Polish history, Pilsudski, He used to say that the best people are from outside regions of the country. zb. > Cheers! > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 21:00:37 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:00:37 -0500 Subject: USB LCD's and Linux In-Reply-To: <4B1FFB6C.1040406-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0912091036p5121499ay8b350b0986f033dc@mail.gmail.com> <20091209193331.GO761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B1FFB6C.1040406@moores.ca> Message-ID: <20091209210037.GU761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 02:33:00PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: > I suspect he is refering to something more along this line: > http://www.crystalfontz.com/products/index-usb.html > though I don't know for sure. Given the mention of touch screen and VGA, I didn't think so at all. There are USB connected photo frames that can be used as USB connected monitors. They are not touch screens though. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 21:07:14 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:07:14 -0500 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <4B200CE8.5050009-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B200D47.7080109@alteeve.com> <4B200CE8.5050009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B201182.5000102@alteeve.com> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > How can you contradict yourself? > > Nothing special? > > The point is that yes, everything from outside is special. You are > special because you are from Labrador or NF, or Halifax (where I landed > first in Canada). > > I believe that people from outside are more special ;) > > There was such a fellow in Polish history, Pilsudski, He used to say > that the best people are from outside regions of the country. > > zb. Well, I grew up here: http://bit.ly/6inb17 That's in New Brunswick... The most overlooked province in Canada. :P Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 21:08:32 2009 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:08:32 -0200 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <4B2002DB.5040908-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2002DB.5040908@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 18:04, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > Renata Rocha >> http://renata.org >> > Wow! > > But I can not read esperanto... > > Try google translator version. You won't understand, but will be funnier http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Frenata.org&sl=pt&tl=en -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 21:06:19 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:06:19 +0300 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: References: <4B2002DB.5040908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B20114B.3010907@gmail.com> Renata Rocha wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 18:04, Zbigniew Koziol > wrote: > > > Renata Rocha > http://renata.org > > Wow! > > But I can not read esperanto... > > > Try google translator version. You won't understand, but will be funnier > http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Frenata.org&sl=pt&tl=en > > > Thanks, Renata, for your advice. But I know Google translator: it does not list esperanto. Enjoy Canada and do not reply to my email on list, otherwise I will likely reply too and TLUGers will stop loving me. zb. > -- > Renata Rocha > http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 21:17:06 2009 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:17:06 -0200 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <4B200D47.7080109-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B200D47.7080109@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Thanks a lot for the nice welcome! As Marcelo said, I can bring you some nice brazilian cacha?a when I arrive and offer a caipirinha workshop in my first meeting. :D On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 18:49, Madison Kelly wrote: > Renata Rocha wrote: > >> I don't know if you have any policy regarding new users, so I'm presenting >> myself (before coming back to lurker mode) >> >> I'm from Rio de Janeiro, currently living in S?o Paulo, Brazil. Probably >> moving to Toronto very soon. Can't wait to know the Canadian linux >> community. >> >> My first contact with linux was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away >> (late 90's? I was probably underage...), with a brazilian version named >> Conectiva, now merged with Mandrake - Mandriva. >> >> Hope I can be helpful here. >> > > Welcome! > > I'm just a boring 'ol Canadian, but I'm originally from the east coast. > Sometimes I think that makes me just as foreign though. :P > > Anywho, we've got not problems at all with non-Torontonians here on the > list. Many of us come and go from the city. You'll just see occasional > threads that won't really apply to those outside, but meh, they're usually > nothing special. > > Cheers! > > Madi > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 21:23:17 2009 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:23:17 -0200 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <4B20114B.3010907-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2002DB.5040908@gmail.com> <4B20114B.3010907@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 19:06, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > Enjoy Canada and do not reply to my email on list, otherwise I will likely > reply too and TLUGers will stop loving me. > > All you need is love? (I tried the "traduku" thing, but it wasn't funny at all) -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 21:26:12 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:26:12 -0500 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <4B201182.5000102-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B200D47.7080109@alteeve.com> <4B200CE8.5050009@gmail.com> <4B201182.5000102@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B2015F4.5000300@moores.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > Well, I grew up here: http://bit.ly/6inb17 > > That's in New Brunswick... The most overlooked province in Canada. :P > > Madi Yeah I guess you're right. I just clicked the link and discovered the Saint John has that jolly great river flowing into the Bay of Fundy and the river has a rather large bay of its own near the mouth. I visited New Brunswick a few years ago and got to witness those massive tides in the Bay of Fundy. I was around Moncton and saw how their river (with no reservoir behind it) tended to do an about face twice a day. With that big bay just behind the mouth of the Saint John river, I'm sure you must get some massive currents. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 21:28:05 2009 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:28:05 -0500 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <4B201182.5000102-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B200D47.7080109@alteeve.com> <4B200CE8.5050009@gmail.com> <4B201182.5000102@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B201665.5020703@dinamis.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Well, I grew up here: http://bit.ly/6inb17 > > That's in New Brunswick... The most overlooked province in Canada. :P I know exactly where that is because one of my brother's used to live near there and had a friend on the island. I grew up in the "big city" of Moncton, by the way. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis 1419-3266 Yonge St. Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 21:33:49 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:33:49 -0500 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <4B201182.5000102-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B200D47.7080109@alteeve.com> <4B200CE8.5050009@gmail.com> <4B201182.5000102@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912091333x56655d98pe7e429065de8b0d9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 16:07, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Well, I grew up here: http://bit.ly/6inb17 > > That's in New Brunswick... The most overlooked province in Canada. :P > > Madi > -- Was there a school in your town? I started growing up here: http://bit.ly/4u51Oo Went to school in Huntingdon, which is north of the town. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon Sent from Don Mills, ON, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 21:32:54 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:32:54 +0300 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: References: <4B2002DB.5040908@gmail.com> <4B20114B.3010907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B201786.3000401@gmail.com> Renata Rocha wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 19:06, Zbigniew Koziol > wrote: > > > Enjoy Canada and do not reply to my email on list, otherwise I > will likely reply too and TLUGers will stop loving me. > > > All you need is love? > > (I tried the "traduku" thing, but it wasn't funny at all) > > Love, as far as I know life, can be of the kind of "give" or "take". Sometimes it happens that it works in both directions. On TLUG I need only the one that is about "take", I mean that others accept me enougth to listen to my rants and occasionally to consider what I wrote (though, for that, I actually do not care much). traduku must be a something because even wikipedia does not explain it. Esperanto is a different kind of animal. In my Zamosc in Poland there is a street of Zamenhoff, a Jew who lived there and who invented Esperanto. zb. > -- > Renata Rocha > http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 21:43:15 2009 From: kevin-4dS5u2o1hCn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:43:15 -0500 Subject: Automatic Network Shutdown / Restart In-Reply-To: <4B1FF6C6.1040201-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B1FF2DA.60102@golden.net> <4B1FF6C6.1040201@moores.ca> Message-ID: <4B2019F3.6060407@ve3syb.ca> Darryl Moore wrote: > If your kids don't turn on the machine until after 5pm then cron will > miss the job. Also, all they have to do is reboot the machine after the > 5pm shutdown and it will come back up again. Simple solution. Combine a cron job with a boot script. If the machine is booting up after 5pm, disable the network. Also schedule a cron job to run at 5pm to disable the network. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 21:45:07 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:45:07 -0500 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <4B201182.5000102-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B200D47.7080109@alteeve.com> <4B200CE8.5050009@gmail.com> <4B201182.5000102@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: > That's in New Brunswick... The most overlooked province in Canada. :P Isn't that the place where everything is basically owned by three brothers that drive around in a Cadillac, buying everything? :-) -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach - "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/marie_von_ebnereschenbac.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 21:46:33 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:46:33 -0500 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <4B201665.5020703-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B200D47.7080109@alteeve.com> <4B200CE8.5050009@gmail.com> <4B201182.5000102@alteeve.com> <4B201665.5020703@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <4B201AB9.9070602@alteeve.com> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: >> Well, I grew up here: http://bit.ly/6inb17 >> >> That's in New Brunswick... The most overlooked province in Canada. :P > > I know exactly where that is because one of my brother's used to live > near there and had a friend on the island. I grew up in the "big city" > of Moncton, by the way. Oh? Who was that? I knew most of the people on the island back in the day. When my folks moved there, they were only the 20th home on the island. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 21:48:13 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:48:13 -0500 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <4B2015F4.5000300-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B200D47.7080109@alteeve.com> <4B200CE8.5050009@gmail.com> <4B201182.5000102@alteeve.com> <4B2015F4.5000300@moores.ca> Message-ID: <4B201B1D.7000106@alteeve.com> Darryl Moore wrote: > > Madison Kelly wrote: >> Well, I grew up here: http://bit.ly/6inb17 >> >> That's in New Brunswick... The most overlooked province in Canada. :P >> >> Madi > > > Yeah I guess you're right. I just clicked the link and discovered the > Saint John has that jolly great river flowing into the Bay of Fundy and > the river has a rather large bay of its own near the mouth. > > I visited New Brunswick a few years ago and got to witness those massive > tides in the Bay of Fundy. I was around Moncton and saw how their river > (with no reservoir behind it) tended to do an about face twice a day. > > With that big bay just behind the mouth of the Saint John river, I'm > sure you must get some massive currents. Every year, some American comes up the Bay and through Reversing Falls without changing their clocks. They think they're going through in slack tide but are actually off an hour and sink their fool boat. We've got a jet boat out there now that we use to rescue them (nothing to be done for their boat at that point though). When it's not saving arses, people pay to run through off slack tide for fun. :P Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 21:50:10 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:50:10 -0500 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912091333x56655d98pe7e429065de8b0d9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B200D47.7080109@alteeve.com> <4B200CE8.5050009@gmail.com> <4B201182.5000102@alteeve.com> <7c50d3570912091333x56655d98pe7e429065de8b0d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B201B92.3060001@alteeve.com> Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 16:07, Madison Kelly wrote: >> Well, I grew up here: http://bit.ly/6inb17 >> >> That's in New Brunswick... The most overlooked province in Canada. :P >> >> Madi >> -- > > > Was there a school in your town? I started growing up here: > > http://bit.ly/4u51Oo > > Went to school in Huntingdon, which is north of the town. There was a kindergarden just off the island in Nauwigewauk (pronouced "now would'ja walk?"). That was it though, for all grade school we had to bus into Hampton. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 21:51:45 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:51:45 -0500 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: References: <4B200D47.7080109@alteeve.com> <4B200CE8.5050009@gmail.com> <4B201182.5000102@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B201BF1.8040607@alteeve.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: >> That's in New Brunswick... The most overlooked province in Canada. :P > > Isn't that the place where everything is basically owned by three > brothers that drive around in a Cadillac, buying everything? :-) Ah, the Irvings... Indeed. However, they're into their fifth generation (heck, maybe sixth now) and their power is dwindling. I left 'cause back in the day, to stay in NB meant working for the government, the Irvings or a company who existed to serve one of those two. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 22:03:37 2009 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:03:37 -0200 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <4B201786.3000401-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2002DB.5040908@gmail.com> <4B20114B.3010907@gmail.com> <4B201786.3000401@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 19:32, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Renata Rocha wrote: > > >> Love, as far as I know life, can be of the kind of "give" or "take". > Sometimes it happens that it works in both directions. On TLUG I need only > the one that is about "take", I mean that others accept me enougth to listen > to my rants and occasionally to consider what I wrote (though, for that, I > actually do not care much). > Love is a losing game. traduku must be a something because even wikipedia does not explain it. > Esperanto is a different kind of animal. In my Zamosc in Poland there is a > street of Zamenhoff, a Jew who lived there and who invented Esperanto. > > Esperanto is quite popular in Brazil. I even took some classes. There are probably some Zamenhoff streets here. But, I'm obsessed with languages. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maureen-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 22:09:39 2009 From: maureen-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Maureen E.Thornton) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:09:39 -0500 Subject: Call for salvaged hardware! In-Reply-To: <1260382775.20300.992.camel@gont> References: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> <1260243734.3662.16067.camel@gont> <1260296290.11645.247.camel@bliss.ss.org> <1260382775.20300.992.camel@gont> Message-ID: <1260396579.11645.287.camel@bliss.ss.org> On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 13:19 -0500, Matt Price wrote: > On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 10:16 -0800, Pete Lancashire wrote: > > The org I mentioned in Portland has (had?) a CD that I think has > > a section on helping set up sister organizations. If no > > longer available I'm sure I can get someone there to give > > a few pointers on their successes. I helped lay the ground > > work getting the City of Portland to donate all their cast > > offs. > > > > It is not uncommon for them to get from a corporation > > in a single donation 100 identical Dell/HP/etc PC's only 3 > > years old. > > > > i believe that the freegeek affiliation process is already underway -- > not by me, but by some of the other interested parties... Can you find out who, by any chance as I have informed my contact that we will try and get interested parties together. -- My Genie Call 416.466,6149 Cell 416.564.6920 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vic-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 22:11:59 2009 From: vic-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org (Vic Gedris) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:11:59 -0500 Subject: Call for salvaged hardware! In-Reply-To: <1260396579.11645.287.camel-Cc8bTzyuDCFg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> <1260243734.3662.16067.camel@gont> <1260296290.11645.247.camel@bliss.ss.org> <1260382775.20300.992.camel@gont> <1260396579.11645.287.camel@bliss.ss.org> Message-ID: <9858fafd0912091411p41e9ebb1r7f6abadc5de2b642@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Maureen E.Thornton wrote: > On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 13:19 -0500, Matt Price wrote: >> >> i believe that the freegeek affiliation process is already underway -- >> not by me, but by some of the other interested parties... > > Can you find out who, by any chance as I have informed my contact that > we will try and get interested parties together. Current web link: http://www.tao.ca/~cyberequality/ -Vic -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 22:10:26 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:10:26 +0300 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: References: <4B2002DB.5040908@gmail.com> <4B20114B.3010907@gmail.com> <4B201786.3000401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B202052.9010908@gmail.com> Renata Rocha wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 19:32, Zbigniew Koziol > wrote: > > Renata Rocha wrote: > > > Love, as far as I know life, can be of the kind of "give" or > "take". Sometimes it happens that it works in both directions. On > TLUG I need only the one that is about "take", I mean that others > accept me enougth to listen to my rants and occasionally to > consider what I wrote (though, for that, I actually do not care much). > > > Love is a losing game. > Is it? May be. And how about life? Here in Russia where I am now, at least I do not need to care for political correctness. It is likely that you did not experience that shit in Brazil. In Canada you will. Some people here will not be happy that we discuss such complex issues here. I am however thinking in a different way. I like to talk about everything. > traduku must be a something because even wikipedia does not > explain it. Esperanto is a different kind of animal. In my Zamosc > in Poland there is a street of Zamenhoff, a Jew who lived there > and who invented Esperanto. > > > Esperanto is quite popular in Brazil. I even took some classes. There > are probably some Zamenhoff streets here. > But, I'm obsessed with languages. Your English is certainly better than that of most of Canadians. But most likely not better than that of some on this list (my English was never and will never be good, do not count me) zb. > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- > Renata Rocha > http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 22:27:12 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:27:12 -0500 Subject: disabling replication and bin logs on MySQL v4 Message-ID: <4B202440.7090801@alteeve.com> Hi all, Being a PgSQL person, I'm woefully ignorant on the innards of MySQL. I've inherited a MySQL server that used to replicate to a now-gone slave. I've been trying to find out how to safely disable the master's habit of writing out the binary logs normally read by the slave. These generate about 9GB of files a day and the host just doesn't have the space for that. I've been using "PURGE BINARY LOGS TO 'file';" to clean it up, but it strikes me that the logs shouldn't be created at all. I was tempted to just comment out the 'log-bin' line in 'my.cnf', but I thought it'd be best to see what the TLUG hive-mind had to say on the topic. Thanks! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 22:30:21 2009 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:30:21 -0200 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <4B202052.9010908-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2002DB.5040908@gmail.com> <4B20114B.3010907@gmail.com> <4B201786.3000401@gmail.com> <4B202052.9010908@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 20:10, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Renata Rocha wrote: > > >> >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 19:32, Zbigniew Koziol > softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org>> wrote: >> >> Love is a losing game. >> > Is it? May be. And how about life? Here in Russia where I am now, at least > I do not need to care for political correctness. It is likely that you did > not experience that shit in Brazil. In Canada you will. > Brazil is becoming a dictatorship. Some people just don't notice it. > Some people here will not be happy that we discuss such complex issues > here. I am however thinking in a different way. I like to talk about > everything. > > I've had the time of my life. >> Esperanto is quite popular in Brazil. I even took some classes. There are >> probably some Zamenhoff streets here. >> But, I'm obsessed with languages. >> > Your English is certainly better than that of most of Canadians. But most > likely not better than that of some on this list (my English was never and > will never be good, do not count me) > > Speaking english everyday may help me. -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 22:31:29 2009 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:31:29 +0000 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: References: ,<4B200D47.7080109@alteeve.com>, Message-ID: You can't beat my brother's cacha?a. Marcelo, how would she be able tell that you're Brasileiro by your name? You could have been from many places. ________________________________ > From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:17:06 -0200 > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: New User > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Thanks a lot for the nice welcome! > > As Marcelo said, I can bring you some nice brazilian cacha?a when I arrive and offer a caipirinha workshop in my first meeting. :D > > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 18:49, Madison Kelly> wrote: > > > Renata Rocha wrote: > > > I don't know if you have any policy regarding new users, so I'm presenting myself (before coming back to lurker mode) > > > > I'm from Rio de Janeiro, currently living in S?o Paulo, Brazil. Probably moving to Toronto very soon. Can't wait to know the Canadian linux community. > > > > My first contact with linux was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away (late 90's? I was probably underage...), with a brazilian version named Conectiva, now merged with Mandrake - Mandriva. > > > > Hope I can be helpful here. > > > > > Welcome! > > > > I'm just a boring 'ol Canadian, but I'm originally from the east coast. Sometimes I think that makes me just as foreign though. :P > > > > Anywho, we've got not problems at all with non-Torontonians here on the list. Many of us come and go from the city. You'll just see occasional threads that won't really apply to those outside, but meh, they're usually nothing special. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > Madi > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > -- > Renata Rocha > http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 22:35:26 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:35:26 -0500 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <4B202052.9010908-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2002DB.5040908@gmail.com> <4B20114B.3010907@gmail.com> <4B201786.3000401@gmail.com> <4B202052.9010908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B20262E.8000504@alteeve.com> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Is it? May be. And how about life? Here in Russia where I am now, at > least I do not need to care for political correctness. It is likely that > you did not experience that shit in Brazil. In Canada you will. > > Some people here will not be happy that we discuss such complex issues > here. I am however thinking in a different way. I like to talk about > everything. Given how complex and multi-cultural Canada, and especially Toronto is, political correctness is essential to keeping the peace. Discussions that may go outside of this are okay, but are best done over beer at a pub where there is no chance of misunderstanding the other person's meaning. On things like mailing lists, it's just far too easy to misunderstand someone so it's much better to maintain that level of political correctness. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 22:39:28 2009 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:39:28 +0100 Subject: Teksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <87my1sjdwp.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> (Slack Rat's message of "Wed\, 09 Dec 2009 17\:44\:06 +0100") References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Slack Rat a ?crit profondement: | Does anyone have any comments on teksavvy as an ISP? | | Good, bad, indifferent? Thanks for the responses everyone. I'm not in Canada, but am thinking of moving early next year. Currently I'm with Free.fr for an ISP (http://www.free.fr/adsl/internet.html) So I'm trying to replace, insofar as it is possible, what I have here in France: In addition to the benefits advertized on their bait page, there's a handy 40gb hard drive in the television decoder, unlimited bandwidth, a landline and VOIP telephone numbers with free calls to most of the woorld landlines plus cell phones in country code 1, binary Usenet Newsgroups and reverse lookup if you want it, which I don't, plus sundry other goodies. I'm a little miffed at the top speed offered by Teksavvy when I currently throw a hissy-fit if it drops below 20 But my main concern, and one that I currently have to wrestle with here is that Free.fr permits anything which doesn't violate the law, as implied in their anglicized name. This of course includes spamming and virtually every French spammer has a Free.fr account. The downside to this is that my IP is blocked by numerous mail systems since it appears in several PBLs as a Level Three Spammer (PBL == Policy Block List, Level Three Spammer == an IP that has not spammed but which is in a block owned or controlled by an ISP which has refused to take any action against verified spammers) So boiling it down. 1) Is anyone aware of Teksavvy IPs appearing on any block lists or are being rejected by any email systems? 2) Does Teksavvy provide access to binary newsgroups since I'm going to lose my direct access to the TV channels that carry bike races live and will have to wat until they appear on UseNet as they usually do. -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 22:41:50 2009 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:41:50 -0300 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: References: <4B200D47.7080109@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1089a0320912091441r2b1361au193760f8744384e6@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:31 PM, wrote: > > You can't beat my brother's cacha?a. > > Marcelo, how would she be able tell that you're Brasileiro by your name? You could have been from many places. > So your brother has the better cacha?a? Hard to believe? Where does he lives? By the way.. About my name, what can I say... Marcelo is a popular name in Braz(s)il, but yeah, your're right. Could be from other countries too. But Cavalcante is also another big and popular family in Braz(s)il. If even my family's name could help her to realize that, my signature would do it. For sure. hehe cheers --- - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org - KDE Brasil Member - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net > ________________________________ >> From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:17:06 -0200 >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: New User >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> >> Thanks a lot for the nice welcome! >> >> As Marcelo said, I can bring you some nice brazilian cacha?a when I arrive and offer a caipirinha workshop in my first meeting. :D >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 18:49, Madison Kelly> wrote: >> >> >> Renata Rocha wrote: >> >> >> I don't know if you have any policy regarding new users, so I'm presenting myself (before coming back to lurker mode) >> >> >> >> I'm from Rio de Janeiro, currently living in S?o Paulo, Brazil. Probably moving to Toronto very soon. Can't wait to know the Canadian linux community. >> >> >> >> My first contact with linux was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away (late 90's? I was probably underage...), with a brazilian version named Conectiva, now merged with Mandrake - Mandriva. >> >> >> >> Hope I can be helpful here. >> >> >> >> >> Welcome! >> >> >> >> I'm just a boring 'ol Canadian, but I'm originally from the east coast. Sometimes I think that makes me just as foreign though. :P >> >> >> >> Anywho, we've got not problems at all with non-Torontonians here on the list. Many of us come and go from the city. You'll just see occasional threads that won't really apply to those outside, but meh, they're usually nothing special. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers! >> >> >> >> Madi >> >> >> -- >> >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Renata Rocha >> http://renata.org > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 22:33:59 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:33:59 +0300 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: References: <4B2002DB.5040908@gmail.com> <4B20114B.3010907@gmail.com> <4B201786.3000401@gmail.com> <4B202052.9010908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2025D7.9090306@gmail.com> Renata Rocha wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 20:10, Zbigniew Koziol > wrote: > > Renata Rocha wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 19:32, Zbigniew Koziol > > >> wrote: > > Love is a losing game. > > Is it? May be. And how about life? Here in Russia where I am now, > at least I do not need to care for political correctness. It is > likely that you did not experience that shit in Brazil. In Canada > you will. > > > Brazil is becoming a dictatorship. Some people just don't notice it. Really? Oh, well... But do you think that I know or anybody on this list knows about political life in Brazil? We are all getting under a new sort of fascism, in Canada too. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 22:44:18 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:44:18 +0300 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <4B20262E.8000504-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2002DB.5040908@gmail.com> <4B20114B.3010907@gmail.com> <4B201786.3000401@gmail.com> <4B202052.9010908@gmail.com> <4B20262E.8000504@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B202842.6040201@gmail.com> Madison, I will disagree with you in some points. I come to Canada in 1995. That was the time when Internet just started to be available to masses. I learned from the internet all I know (except of physics that I knew already). Canada has a very special policy. It is directed towards silencing ethnic minorities, not towards giving them voice. OK, if I am saying too much than lets go to talk privately, not on the list. I will welcome that. Also, our new virtual friend, Renata, please write me privately. zb, Madison Kelly wrote: > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >> Is it? May be. And how about life? Here in Russia where I am now, at >> least I do not need to care for political correctness. It is likely >> that you did not experience that shit in Brazil. In Canada you will. >> >> Some people here will not be happy that we discuss such complex >> issues here. I am however thinking in a different way. I like to talk >> about everything. > > Given how complex and multi-cultural Canada, and especially Toronto > is, political correctness is essential to keeping the peace. > Discussions that may go outside of this are okay, but are best done > over beer at a pub where there is no chance of misunderstanding the > other person's meaning. > > On things like mailing lists, it's just far too easy to misunderstand > someone so it's much better to maintain that level of political > correctness. > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From pete-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 23:16:11 2009 From: pete-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Pete Lancashire) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:16:11 -0800 Subject: Call for salvaged hardware! In-Reply-To: <9858fafd0912091411p41e9ebb1r7f6abadc5de2b642-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1260208370.3662.14322.camel@gont> <1260243734.3662.16067.camel@gont> <1260296290.11645.247.camel@bliss.ss.org> <1260382775.20300.992.camel@gont> <1260396579.11645.287.camel@bliss.ss.org> <9858fafd0912091411p41e9ebb1r7f6abadc5de2b642@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I hope they can pull it off. It is a lot of hard work and some forward thinking building owner or NP donations for a roof but if little old Portland can referb over 2,000 PC's a year think what a city the size of TO can accomplish. -pete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freegeek http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY1iNE4v3f0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnvzvVIhq1s (old video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=625LPUACix0 > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Maureen E.Thornton wrote: >> On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 13:19 -0500, Matt Price wrote: >>> >>> i believe that the freegeek affiliation process is already underway -- >>> not by me, but by some of the other interested parties... >> >> Can you find out who, by any chance as I have informed my contact that >> we will try and get interested parties together. > > Current web link: > http://www.tao.ca/~cyberequality/ > > -Vic > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 23:07:07 2009 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:07:07 +0000 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <1089a0320912091441r2b1361au193760f8744384e6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: ,<4B200D47.7080109@alteeve.com>,,,<1089a0320912091441r2b1361au193760f8744384e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: My brother lives in Toronto. Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. In this case, in the buds of the taster. I'll be sampling it very shortly at our Christmas party (I hope). ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:41:50 -0300 > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: New User > From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:31 PM, wrote: >> >> You can't beat my brother's cacha?a. >> >> Marcelo, how would she be able tell that you're Brasileiro by your name? You could have been from many places. >> > > So your brother has the better cacha?a? Hard to believe? Where does he lives? > > By the way.. About my name, what can I say... > > Marcelo is a popular name in Braz(s)il, but yeah, your're right. Could > be from other countries too. But Cavalcante is also another big and > popular family in Braz(s)il. > > If even my family's name could help her to realize that, my signature > would do it. For sure. hehe > > cheers > > --- > - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib > - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master > - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 > - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro > - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org > - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org > - KDE Brasil Member > - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group > - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net > > >> ________________________________ >>> From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >>> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:17:06 -0200 >>> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: New User >>> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >>> >>> Thanks a lot for the nice welcome! >>> >>> As Marcelo said, I can bring you some nice brazilian cacha?a when I arrive and offer a caipirinha workshop in my first meeting. :D >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 18:49, Madison Kelly> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Renata Rocha wrote: >>> >>> >>> I don't know if you have any policy regarding new users, so I'm presenting myself (before coming back to lurker mode) >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm from Rio de Janeiro, currently living in S?o Paulo, Brazil. Probably moving to Toronto very soon. Can't wait to know the Canadian linux community. >>> >>> >>> >>> My first contact with linux was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away (late 90's? I was probably underage...), with a brazilian version named Conectiva, now merged with Mandrake - Mandriva. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope I can be helpful here. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Welcome! >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm just a boring 'ol Canadian, but I'm originally from the east coast. Sometimes I think that makes me just as foreign though. :P >>> >>> >>> >>> Anywho, we've got not problems at all with non-Torontonians here on the list. Many of us come and go from the city. You'll just see occasional threads that won't really apply to those outside, but meh, they're usually nothing special. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers! >>> >>> >>> >>> Madi >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Renata Rocha >>> http://renata.org >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 23:25:39 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:25:39 -0500 Subject: Teksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <87hbrzn55r.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 11:39:28PM +0100, Slack Rat wrote: > Thanks for the responses everyone. > > I'm not in Canada, but am thinking of moving early next year. Currently > I'm with Free.fr for an ISP (http://www.free.fr/adsl/internet.html) > > So I'm trying to replace, insofar as it is possible, what I have here in > France: > > In addition to the benefits advertized on their bait page, there's a > handy 40gb hard drive in the television decoder, unlimited bandwidth, a > landline and VOIP telephone numbers with free calls to most of the > woorld landlines plus cell phones in country code 1, binary Usenet > Newsgroups and reverse lookup if you want it, which I don't, plus sundry > other goodies. > > I'm a little miffed at the top speed offered by Teksavvy when I > currently throw a hissy-fit if it drops below 20 Welcome to the 3rd world of information services. In canada you get to pay the highest prices for your cell phone services and get the least service for your money. The internet access is a bit expensive too and certainly not the last and greatest. ADSL2 is slowly starting to get deployed in a few places, so some day ADSL may move beyond 5Mbps. > But my main concern, and one that I currently have to wrestle with here > is that Free.fr permits anything which doesn't violate the law, as > implied in their anglicized name. > > This of course includes spamming and virtually every French spammer has > a Free.fr account. > > The downside to this is that my IP is blocked by numerous mail systems > since it appears in several PBLs as a Level Three Spammer (PBL == Policy > Block List, Level Three Spammer == an IP that has not spammed but which > is in a block owned or controlled by an ISP which has refused to take > any action against verified spammers) > > So boiling it down. > > 1) Is anyone aware of Teksavvy IPs appearing on any block lists or are > being rejected by any email systems? Not that I am aware of. > 2) Does Teksavvy provide access to binary newsgroups since I'm going to > lose my direct access to the TV channels that carry bike races live and > will have to wat until they appear on UseNet as they usually do. Hmm, good question. According to the message on June 29, 2009 here http://www.teksavvy.com/en/news.asp?ID=7&mID=4 it seems they do run a usenet server (or at least give you access to one) and it sounds like it includes binaries, if you use their mlppp service. The phrasing is a bit confusing. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 9 23:24:26 2009 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:24:26 -0300 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: References: <4B200D47.7080109@alteeve.com> <1089a0320912091441r2b1361au193760f8744384e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1089a0320912091524o67fae059me12617d2e59c6d0f@mail.gmail.com> Got it now. Good to know. Unfortunately I won't have the chance to taste this time. Maybe in 3 years when I arrive in Toronto again. ;] And I'll put some brazilian bottles in my bag for you guys. hehe Maybe in a future Tlug meeting we can degust it and prepare some caipirinhas for you guys. Renate can help me with this. best regards --- - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org - KDE Brasil Member - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:07 PM, wrote: > > My brother lives in Toronto. Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. In this case, in the buds of the taster. I'll be sampling it very shortly at our Christmas party (I hope). > > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:41:50 -0300 >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: New User >> From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:31 PM, ?wrote: >>> >>> You can't beat my brother's cacha?a. >>> >>> Marcelo, how would she be able tell that you're Brasileiro by your name? You could have been from many places. >>> >> >> So your brother has the better cacha?a? Hard to believe? Where does he lives? >> >> By the way.. About my name, what can I say... >> >> Marcelo is a popular name in Braz(s)il, but yeah, your're right. Could >> be from other countries too. But Cavalcante is also another big and >> popular family in Braz(s)il. >> >> If even my family's name could help her to realize that, my signature >> would do it. For sure. hehe >> >> cheers >> >> --- >> - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib >> - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master >> - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 >> - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro >> - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org >> - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org >> - KDE Brasil Member >> - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group >> - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net >> >> >>> ________________________________ >>>> From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >>>> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:17:06 -0200 >>>> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: New User >>>> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot for the nice welcome! >>>> >>>> As Marcelo said, I can bring you some nice brazilian cacha?a when I arrive and offer a caipirinha workshop in my first meeting. :D >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 18:49, Madison Kelly> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Renata Rocha wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't know if you have any policy regarding new users, so I'm presenting myself (before coming back to lurker mode) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm from Rio de Janeiro, currently living in S?o Paulo, Brazil. Probably moving to Toronto very soon. Can't wait to know the Canadian linux community. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My first contact with linux was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away (late 90's? I was probably underage...), with a brazilian version named Conectiva, now merged with Mandrake - Mandriva. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hope I can be helpful here. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Welcome! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm just a boring 'ol Canadian, but I'm originally from the east coast. Sometimes I think that makes me just as foreign though. :P >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Anywho, we've got not problems at all with non-Torontonians here on the list. Many of us come and go from the city. You'll just see occasional threads that won't really apply to those outside, but meh, they're usually nothing special. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Madi >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>>> >>>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>>> >>>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Renata Rocha >>>> http://renata.org >>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 02:58:28 2009 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:58:28 -0500 Subject: USB LCD's and Linux In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0912091036p5121499ay8b350b0986f033dc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0912091036p5121499ay8b350b0986f033dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2063D4.3090408@ss.org> These are what your looking for: http://www.mimomonitors.com/ There is already some partial linux driver support, not sure how close to usable it is since I first learned about it almost half a year ago. On 12/09/2009 01:36 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Does anyone know of any USB LCD's that work well with Linux. > Preferably of the touchscreen variety. > They don't need to be USB-powered (though that would be cool), but > they should be able to work without a VGA/DVI cable so I can use them > with something like a ShivaPlug, etc. > > Actually, along those lines - anyone know something smallish like the > Shiva but with a DVI/VGA/HDMI output port, and/or something I can do > wifi with (even USB-wifi is fine)? The current Shiva only seems to > have a single USB port... > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 03:13:01 2009 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:13:01 -0500 Subject: Tools to break apart large log files. Message-ID: <4B20673D.2040904@ss.org> What I Have: Chat log files that span multiple months (like IRC channel logs). What I want: To break those large files into many smaller files based on a certain time gag between posts. ie. Break to new file IF time between lines n and n+1 is > 2 hour. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 03:14:59 2009 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:14:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Tools to break apart large log files. In-Reply-To: <4B20673D.2040904-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4B20673D.2040904@ss.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Scott Sullivan wrote: > What I Have: > Chat log files that span multiple months (like IRC channel logs). > > What I want: > To break those large files into many smaller files based on a certain time > gag between posts. > ie. Break to new file IF time between lines n and n+1 is > 2 hour. Use awk. Without seeing what the files look like, I can't be more specific. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 03:22:37 2009 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:22:37 -0500 Subject: Tools to break apart large log files. In-Reply-To: References: <4B20673D.2040904@ss.org> Message-ID: <4B20697D.6070309@ss.org> The log files have a time stamp at the front of each line, like this: [2009/12/09 19:10] UserA: Text [2009/12/09 19:11] UserB: Responce [2009/12/09 19:11] UserB: More Text [2009/12/09 19:11] UserA: ??? Profit I want something that will register when the gap between the time stamps is greater then a given value and split them out to separate files. On 12/09/2009 10:14 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Scott Sullivan wrote: > > >> What I Have: >> Chat log files that span multiple months (like IRC channel logs). >> >> What I want: >> To break those large files into many smaller files based on a certain time >> gag between posts. >> ie. Break to new file IF time between lines n and n+1 is> 2 hour. >> > Use awk. Without seeing what the files look like, I can't be more > specific. > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 03:51:39 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:51:39 -0500 Subject: Tools to break apart large log files. In-Reply-To: <4B20697D.6070309-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4B20673D.2040904@ss.org> <4B20697D.6070309@ss.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Scott Sullivan wrote: > The log files have a time stamp at the front of each line, like this: > > [2009/12/09 19:10] ?UserA: Text > [2009/12/09 19:11] ?UserB: Responce > [2009/12/09 19:11] ?UserB: More Text > [2009/12/09 19:11] ?UserA: ??? Profit > > I want something that will register when the gap between the time stamps is > greater then a given value and split them out to separate files. When I saw the title, I first thought about split. (man 1 split) The thing is, you're not so much "splitting files"; you are classifying their contents, with a somewhat ill-defined way of characterizing the partitions. There are actually two pieces to the problem, and you'll need to specify both in order to head to a solution: a) There's a parsing problem, of determining the regular way of picking out records and recognizing the bits used for classification. The other Chris suggested awk as a tool that could be helpful for this, which seems quite plausible. There's also... b) There's a naming problem, determining the names of the files that you want to put those records into. You need a consistent set of rules for determining those names, and of opening them to put the relevant bits into them. I suspect awk is somewhat less useful for that; most flavours of it don't have an open() function (or equivalent) to allow you to establish new streams. I'd be a bit more inclined to use Perl (familiarity + contempt) or Lisp; if you were comfortable with Python, that would be a good choice. There are lots of plausible choices amongst the soi-disant "scripting languages." If you're opening up a lot of streams, and picking output filenames, you'll need clear policy for b), otherwise the process will be mighty fragile. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Mike Ditka - "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mike_ditka.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 04:02:41 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:02:41 -0500 Subject: USB LCD's and Linux In-Reply-To: <4B2063D4.3090408-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0912091036p5121499ay8b350b0986f033dc@mail.gmail.com> <4B2063D4.3090408@ss.org> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912092002y15bb4d4ds5713382b8011de81@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 21:58, Scott Sullivan wrote: > These are what your looking for: > http://www.mimomonitors.com/ > > There is already some partial linux driver support, not sure how close to > usable it is since I first learned about it almost half a year ago. > Been trying to get NCIX to stock those, as I want one, just not the touchscreen model. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kirtijee-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 04:33:24 2009 From: kirtijee-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kirti Prakash) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:33:24 -0500 Subject: Scalable solution for basic network infrastructure for a small company Message-ID: <4fc65a520912092033p4311e243qb1a0065e1a2eeaea@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I'm with for a small company which could termed like a star- up that needs to address their core network infrastructure. I am not a network expert but does have any suggestions on how to do network analysis and planning or any documents on this? What would be good for: Internal user base 5 at present but could grow to 10 in the future, 4-5 servers, 5 workstations, a printer, ISP modem and wifi router Number services will vary according to multiple business needs Maybe an Windows SBS box, some Oracle App hosting in future Some servers boxes could get about 50 concurrent connections in the future Also any suggestions on switches/routers? Are their some good deals on them right now? Need to find some solutions that are robust, scalable that are hard on the company's small budget. - Kirti -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 04:40:11 2009 From: dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org (David Christopher Chipman) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:40:11 -0500 Subject: Tools to break apart large log files. In-Reply-To: <4B20697D.6070309-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4B20673D.2040904@ss.org> <4B20697D.6070309@ss.org> Message-ID: <4B207BAB.2020101@ican.net> Scott Sullivan wrote: > The log files have a time stamp at the front of each line, like this: > > [2009/12/09 19:10] UserA: Text > [2009/12/09 19:11] UserB: Responce > [2009/12/09 19:11] UserB: More Text > [2009/12/09 19:11] UserA: ??? Profit > > I want something that will register when the gap between the time > stamps is greater then a given value and split them out to separate > files. > > On 12/09/2009 10:14 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: >> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Scott Sullivan wrote: >> >> >>> What I Have: >>> Chat log files that span multiple months (like IRC channel logs). >>> >>> What I want: >>> To break those large files into many smaller files based on a >>> certain time >>> gag between posts. >>> ie. Break to new file IF time between lines n and n+1 is> 2 hour. >>> >> Use awk. Without seeing what the files look like, I can't be more >> specific. >> >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > Scott, I'm no big fan of perl, but I would think it would be the better choice, then awk. You can do text parsing, math, and variable comparison. These are all things you'll need to do for this. -David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 05:11:24 2009 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:11:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Tools to break apart large log files. In-Reply-To: <4B20697D.6070309-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4B20673D.2040904@ss.org> <4B20697D.6070309@ss.org> Message-ID: yOn Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Scott Sullivan wrote: > The log files have a time stamp at the front of each line, like this: > > [2009/12/09 19:10] UserA: Text > [2009/12/09 19:11] UserB: Responce > [2009/12/09 19:11] UserB: More Text > [2009/12/09 19:11] UserA: ??? Profit > > I want something that will register when the gap between the time stamps is > greater then a given value and split them out to separate files. secs=123456 ## max number of seconds between lines awk -v secs=$secs -F'[][]' '{ split($2,dt," ") split(dt[1],d,"/") split(dt[2],t,":") stamp = (d[1] * 365.25 + d[2] * 30.4375 + d[3]) * 86400 + t[1] * 60 + t[2] } (stamp - laststamp) > secs { ofile = "outfile" ++n } { print > ofile laststamp = stamp } ' "$file" > On 12/09/2009 10:14 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Scott Sullivan wrote: > > > > > > > What I Have: > > > Chat log files that span multiple months (like IRC channel logs). > > > > > > What I want: > > > To break those large files into many smaller files based on a certain > > > time > > > gag between posts. > > > ie. Break to new file IF time between lines n and n+1 is> 2 hour. > > > > > Use awk. Without seeing what the files look like, I can't be more > > specific. > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 06:41:11 2009 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:41:11 +0100 Subject: Teksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <20091209232539.GV761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> (Lennart Sorensen's message of "Wed\, 9 Dec 2009 18\:25\:39 -0500") References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Lennart Sorensen a ?crit profondement: | | > 2) Does Teksavvy provide access to binary newsgroups since I'm going to | > lose my direct access to the TV channels that carry bike races live and | > will have to wat until they appear on UseNet as they usually do. | | Hmm, good question. | | According to the message on June 29, 2009 here | http://www.teksavvy.com/en/news.asp?ID=7&mID=4 it seems they do run a | usenet server (or at least give you access to one) and it sounds like | it includes binaries, if you use their mlppp service. The phrasing is | a bit confusing. Thanks Len In retrospect, I had actually seen the page you referenced but had forgotten. Incidentally, pinging news.teksavvy.com takes one to giganews which is about the best available for news depending of course upon what arrangements Teksavvy might have with Giganews. -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 12:24:22 2009 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:24:22 -0500 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: ; from natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org on Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 15:02:20 -0500 References: Message-ID: <20091210122422.GD9372@localhost> Hello Renata, Welcome. Might I request that, for future posts, you endeavour to honour the list's request to not include HTML formatting in your messages? If you're using the Gmail web client, this can be accomplished by clicking on the "<< Plain Text" link above the message entry area. (The link will change to "Rich formatting >>" and the formatting buttons will disappear.) Thanks, Scott -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 11:41:26 2009 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:41:26 -0500 Subject: Bash Script to Monitor Space by Directory. In-Reply-To: <835510.65668.qm-878fnSLL0zavuULXzWHTWIglqE1Y4D90QQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>; from dennis_antle-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org on Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 11:27:35 -0500 References: <835510.65668.qm@web32008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20091210114126.GB9372@localhost> On Wed Dec 09,2009 11:27:35 AM Dennis Antle wrote: > Hi Everyone, > ? > This is my first post. Hi Dennis, welcome to the list. Might I request that, for future posts, you endeavour to honour the list's request to not include HTML formatting in your messages? If you're using the Yahoo web client, this can be accomplished by clicking on the "Plain Text" link at the top right of the message entry area. (The link will change to "Rich Text" and the formatting buttons will disappear.) Thanks, Scott P.S. Sorry I can't provide any input regarding your problem. -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 12:28:56 2009 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:28:56 -0500 Subject: Tools to break apart large log files. In-Reply-To: <4B207BAB.2020101-rYHPKw+MWrk@public.gmane.org>; from dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk@public.gmane.org on Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 23:40:11 -0500 References: <4B20673D.2040904@ss.org> <4B20697D.6070309@ss.org> <4B207BAB.2020101@ican.net> Message-ID: <20091210122856.GE9372@localhost> On Wed Dec 09,2009 11:40:11 PM David Christopher Chipman wrote: > I'm no big fan of perl, but I would think it would be the better > choice, then awk. Hey! Here's one of the few cases where using "then", instead of the (I assume) intended "than", actually works. (The comma before "then" would have to be removed if "than" was substituted, though). -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 13:35:32 2009 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:35:32 -0200 Subject: New User In-Reply-To: <20091210122422.GD9372@localhost> References: <20091210122422.GD9372@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:24, Scott Allen wrote: > > Hello Renata, > > Welcome. > > Might I request that, for future posts, you endeavour to honour the list's request to not include HTML formatting in your messages? > > If you're using the Gmail web client, this can be accomplished by clicking on the "<< Plain Text" link above the message entry area. (The link will change to "Rich formatting >>" and the formatting buttons will disappear.) Sorry for that. I'm usually a Plain text enthusiast, no donut for me. -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 14:51:37 2009 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:51:37 -0500 Subject: Teksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <87skbj5o1k.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> Slack Rat wrote: > Lennart Sorensen a ?crit profondement: > > | > | > 2) Does Teksavvy provide access to binary newsgroups since I'm going to > | > lose my direct access to the TV channels that carry bike races live and > | > will have to wat until they appear on UseNet as they usually do. > | > | Hmm, good question. > | > | According to the message on June 29, 2009 here > | http://www.teksavvy.com/en/news.asp?ID=7&mID=4 it seems they do run a > | usenet server (or at least give you access to one) and it sounds like > | it includes binaries, if you use their mlppp service. The phrasing is > | a bit confusing. > > Thanks Len > > In retrospect, I had actually seen the page you referenced but had > forgotten. > > Incidentally, pinging news.teksavvy.com takes one to giganews which is > about the best available for news depending of course upon what > arrangements Teksavvy might have with Giganews. With a static ip, which is required for mlppp, you get access to usenet too :) Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 15:10:26 2009 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:10:26 -0800 Subject: USB LCD's and Linux In-Reply-To: <4B2063D4.3090408-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0912091036p5121499ay8b350b0986f033dc@mail.gmail.com> <4B2063D4.3090408@ss.org> Message-ID: <3a97ef0912100710y4f785bj4a4294d592868830@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Scott Sullivan wrote: > These are what your looking for: > http://www.mimomonitors.com/ > > There is already some partial linux driver support, not sure how close to > usable it is since I first learned about it almost half a year ago. > > On 12/09/2009 01:36 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: Those are along the right lines, but according to the FAQ Linux isn't in the cards right now: http://www.mimomonitors.com/pages/frequently-asked-questions-faq Actually their driver support in general seems to be fairly limited. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From brownn0-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 15:32:31 2009 From: brownn0-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Neil Brown) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:32:31 -0500 Subject: Bash Script to Monitor Space by Directory. Message-ID: <4B21148F.5070006@gmail.com> I had this old script from work kicking around. It lists the largest n files in each directory in the specified path. It was originally written for Korn shell, but is ok for bash. lm -h will give a brief usage message. lm -5 /home will give the 5 largest files in each directory in /home, etc. #!/bin/bash #d list largest [-n] files in each directory in path # defaults: # -n 1 # -s 1 block ( 1024 bytes per block ) # [path] . ( current directory ) USAGE="usage: lm [ -n n ] [ -s n ] [path]" # default parameters nh=1; # number of files MAX=`expr 1 \* 1024` # max size of file spath="."; # specified path # command-line parameters while getopts hn:s: c do case $c in h) usage $0 $USAGE; # display help text exit ;; n) nh=$OPTARG;; s) MAX=`expr $OPTARG \* 1024`;; ?) usage $0 $USAGE; exit 1;; esac done shift `expr $OPTIND - 1`; # search path if [ $# -eq 1 ] then spath=$1; fi ( # for i in ( all dirs ) for i in `ls -FR $spath 2> /dev/null | sed -n 's/:$//p'` do c=`ls -l $i | sort -r -n +4 -5 | head -1 | awk '{ print $5; }'`; if [ "$c" -gt $MAX ] then for j in `ls -l $i | awk -v max=$MAX '$5>=max { print $NF; }'` do ls -l $i/$j; done fi done ) 2> /dev/null | pg; I hope this helps. Neil Brown brownn0-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Toronto, Ontario, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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FILE2=$(date --date="1 days ago" +%Y%m%d).arc showopts () { while getopts ":pq:" optname do case "$optname" in "f") FILE2=./$OPTARG ;; *) # Should not occur echo "Unknown error while processing options" ;; esac done return $OPTIND } FILE=$(date +%Y%m%d).arc declare growth=0 while read line1; do size1=`echo $line1 | sed 's/\s.*//'` dir1=`echo $line1 | sed 's/\S*\s*//'` while read line2; do size2=`echo $line2 | sed 's/\s.*//'` dir2=`echo $line2 | sed 's/\S*\s*//'` if [ "$dir1" = "$dir2" ]; then growth=`expr $size1 - $size2` if [ $growth -ge 1000 ]; then echo $dir1 " |growth:" $growth fi fi done < $FILE2 done < $FILE --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Kevin Cozens wrote: From: Kevin Cozens Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Bash Script to Monitor Space by Directory. To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Received: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 3:54 PM Dennis Antle wrote: > So I need to develop a bash script to monitor changes in size by directory, on the SAN volume. > I'm looking for advise as to how to go about this? You could use the du command to get the information you need. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 17:13:00 2009 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:13:00 -0500 Subject: OT: Need a new computer In-Reply-To: <20091208190102.GF761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20091207204719.GA5218@yam.witteman.ca> <20091207221229.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091208062949.GA2696@yam.witteman.ca> <20091208190102.GF761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20091210171300.GA13824@yam.witteman.ca> On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 02:01:02PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 01:29:49AM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >> I understand the sentiment, but I am just finishing a major, unplanned >> home renovation, and my current computer shuts down if I launch X. >> Waiting is not looking favourable. Doubling my budget is not very >> exciting. > >The main problem is that for $400 you get a pile of obsolete shit. >For $800 you get very high quality current stuff. For $2500 you get >seriously high end stuff. > >The difference in quality and performance of a $400 and a $800 computer >is huge. Taking Lennart's comments into account, and examining my willingness-to-pay at a threshold of $600 (educational price for a Mac Mini), I updated my requirements. What I ultimately want is a fully-functional Linux box - the Mac route, though I love the power consumption and form factor, doesn't get me as close to that as I like to that goal. I ultimately went with this system from Filtech: cheap case P5KPL-AM SE motherboard (network, video, sound on board) 2 GB Kingston RAM Core 2 Quad Q8200 (no VT support, but I don't care, and the clockspeed jump from 1GHz to 2.3GHz will (does!) seem big enough for me) Seagate 320 Gb hard drive Thermaltake 500W power supply $530 taxes in. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From dennis_antle-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 17:14:41 2009 From: dennis_antle-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Dennis Antle) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:14:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bash Script to Monitor Space by Directory. In-Reply-To: <20091210114126.GB9372@localhost> References: <20091210114126.GB9372@localhost> Message-ID: <949575.74442.qm@web32004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Will do, np. --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Scott Allen wrote: > From: Scott Allen > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Bash Script to Monitor Space by Directory. > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 6:41 AM > On Wed Dec 09,2009 11:27:35 AM Dennis > Antle wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > ? > > This is my first post. > > Hi Dennis, welcome to the list. > > Might I request that, for future posts, you endeavour to > honour the list's request to not include HTML formatting in > your messages? > > If you're using the Yahoo web client, this can be > accomplished by clicking on the "Plain Text" link at the top > right of the message entry area. (The link will change to > "Rich Text" and the formatting buttons will disappear.) > > Thanks, > Scott > > P.S. Sorry I can't provide any input regarding your > problem. > > -- ** Scott Allen???scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org > ** > **? ???Toronto, Ontario, Canada? > ???** > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group.? ? ? > Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 17:25:15 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:25:15 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B210AF9.10603-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> Does anyone have experience with acanac.com? They currently offer 5Mbps/800Kps, unlimited data xfer, and a static IP for only $19 a month. They will work on a dry loop for only $27 / month. One year payment in advance is required, but still.... This is $15 cheaper than my current (already cheap) service. Even with a dry loop (which will allow me to dump bell completely) it is still cheaper than what I currently pay. I'd really like to know how good this ISP is, 'cause it sure is tempting. Also they are partnered with Zazeen.com that offers virtual private servers for $23/month. (again payable 1/yr in advance. These both look like really good deals. cheers, darryl -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dennis_antle-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 17:29:20 2009 From: dennis_antle-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Dennis Antle) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:29:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bash Script to Monitor Space by Directory. In-Reply-To: <4B21148F.5070006-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B21148F.5070006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <500565.91525.qm@web32002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Neil, Nice script. I can use this script too, but it don't help me with my current issue. Basicly I need to compare directory size between today and yesterday. So if a folder grows by more than a GB lets say, then I can have the script send me an email notification. You can see what I have so far in one of my previous emails. --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Neil Brown wrote: > From: Neil Brown > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Bash Script to Monitor Space by Directory. > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 10:32 AM > > > > > > > > I had this old script from work kicking > around.? It > lists the largest n files in each directory in the > specified path.? It > was originally written for Korn shell, but is ok for bash. > > > > lm -h will give a brief usage message. > > lm -5 /home will give the 5 largest files in each directory > in /home, > etc. > > > > > > #!/bin/bash > > > > #d list largest [-n] files in each directory in path > > > > # defaults: > > > > #??? -n???? 1 > > #??? -s???? 1 block ( > 1024 bytes per block ) > > #??? [path] . ( current directory ) > > > > USAGE="usage: lm [ -n n ] [ -s n ] [path]" > > > > # default parameters > > > > nh=1;?????????????????? > # number of files > > MAX=`expr 1 \* > 1024`??????????? > # max size of file > > spath=".";????????????? > # specified path > > > > # command-line parameters > > > > while getopts hn:s: c > > do > > case $c in > > ??? h)? usage $0 > $USAGE;??????????? > # display help text > > ??? exit ;; > > ??? n)? nh=$OPTARG;; > > ??? s)? MAX=`expr $OPTARG \* > 1024`;; > > ??? ?)? usage $0 $USAGE; > > ??? exit 1;; > > esac > > done > > > > shift `expr $OPTIND - > 1`;?????? # search path > > > > if [ $# -eq 1 ] > > then > > ??? spath=$1; > > fi > > > > ( > > > > ?# for i in ( all dirs ) > > > > ?for i in `ls -FR $spath 2> /dev/null | sed -n > 's/:$//p'` > > ?do > > > > ???? c=`ls -l $i | sort -r -n +4 -5 | > head -1 | awk '{ print $5; }'`; > > ???? if [ "$c" -gt $MAX ] > > ???? then > > > > ???? for j in `ls -l $i | awk -v > max=$MAX '$5>=max { print $NF; }'` > > ???? do > > ???????? ls -l > $i/$j; > > ???? done > > > > ???? fi > > > > ?done > > > > ?) 2> /dev/null | pg; > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > Neil Brown??? ??? brownn0-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > > > > Toronto, Ontario, Canada > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddy-5sHjOODPK7E at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 17:31:23 2009 From: teddy-5sHjOODPK7E at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:31:23 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B212EFB.4050804-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> Message-ID: <4B21306B.4050809@tmis.ca> One of our network engineers uses Arcanac at home. He is a mission impossible type. He has no problems. Based on his recommendation, I would subscribe to Arcanac if need be. Darryl Moore wrote: > Does anyone have experience with acanac.com? > > They currently offer 5Mbps/800Kps, unlimited data xfer, and a static IP > for only $19 a month. They will work on a dry loop for only $27 / month. > One year payment in advance is required, but still.... > > This is $15 cheaper than my current (already cheap) service. Even with a > dry loop (which will allow me to dump bell completely) it is still > cheaper than what I currently pay. > > I'd really like to know how good this ISP is, 'cause it sure is tempting. > > Also they are partnered with Zazeen.com that offers virtual private > servers for $23/month. (again payable 1/yr in advance. > > These both look like really good deals. > > cheers, > darryl > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 18:03:58 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:03:58 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B212EFB.4050804-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> Message-ID: <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> >From Acanoc website > Please be aware that the $18.95 and $29.95 promo is only available on > a one year term. All terms are charged up-front and the promo is only > available for the first year. Hmmmm. So it is only for the first year. After that it goes up to exactly what I currently pay. The only advantage they offer then is a dry loop which my current ISP does not offer. Still might be worth it though, when I factor in what I save from dumping Bell. cheers, darryl. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 19:28:17 2009 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:28:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: French army sides with Mozilla in Microsoft e-mail war Message-ID: <848353.65464.qm@web88105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/french-army-sides-with-mozilla-in-microsoft-e-mail-war/article1395626/ Is this a major victory for Ope Source software? I think so. The article also mentions government mandate to switch to Linux. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 19:28:08 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:28:08 -0500 Subject: OT: Just Got The HP Compaq Mini 110c-1100CA From Rogers Message-ID: <7c50d3570912101128t7d3e5bf2q8a7ccee0a9f2f6d4@mail.gmail.com> I signed up for the 2 year contract, was told it'll take 2 - 4 weeks until I get the netbook, was just about to get in the shower when UPS knocked on my door. It comes with WinXP Home SP3 preinstalled, wondering if it's possibly to put WinXP Pro SP3 as I have an OEM disc that I bought when I built my computer -- I was dual-booting with WinV x64. I also wonder if Chrome OS would run on it. Here's a link to HP's site if anyone cares: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en/ho/WF25a/321957-321957-3832382-3832383-3832383-4004509.html -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 19:35:22 2009 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:35:22 -0800 Subject: OT: Just Got The HP Compaq Mini 110c-1100CA From Rogers In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912101128t7d3e5bf2q8a7ccee0a9f2f6d4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912101128t7d3e5bf2q8a7ccee0a9f2f6d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0912101135k2877503amdc1f6f69097002cc@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > I signed up for the 2 year contract, was told it'll take 2 - 4 weeks > until I get the netbook, was just about to get in the shower when UPS > knocked on my door. ?It comes with WinXP Home SP3 preinstalled, > wondering if it's possibly to put WinXP Pro SP3 as I have an OEM disc > that I bought when I built my computer -- I was dual-booting with WinV > x64. ?I also wonder if Chrome OS would run on it. > > Here's a link to HP's site if anyone cares: > > http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en/ho/WF25a/321957-321957-3832382-3832383-3832383-4004509.html Asking the Linux list if you can run windows on a notebook, tsk tsk :-) Technically the major differences between XP Home and XP Pro are how it handles domains and some other networking stuff, etc. From a standpoint of drivers, both Pro and Home should be able to use the same drivers, so provided you've got a XP Pro CD/License, you should be able to go ahead so long as the drivers are somewhere you can actually download them (like HP's website). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 19:37:00 2009 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:37:00 -0800 Subject: OT: Just Got The HP Compaq Mini 110c-1100CA From Rogers In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0912101135k2877503amdc1f6f69097002cc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912101128t7d3e5bf2q8a7ccee0a9f2f6d4@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef0912101135k2877503amdc1f6f69097002cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0912101137u4668133bvda8a3d07d87a5ba8@mail.gmail.com> Just to add to that. If you have XP Home 32-bit and XP Pro 64-bit, you probably won't have much luck with drivers on the 32-bit drivers on 64-bit XP. In that case, make sure there are proper drivers available for the architecture you decide to install. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 19:38:42 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:38:42 -0500 Subject: OT: Just Got The HP Compaq Mini 110c-1100CA From Rogers In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0912101135k2877503amdc1f6f69097002cc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912101128t7d3e5bf2q8a7ccee0a9f2f6d4@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef0912101135k2877503amdc1f6f69097002cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912101138v62d094aeq14b68b1a90733c33@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 14:35, Tyler Aviss wrote: > > Asking the Linux list if you can run windows on a notebook, tsk tsk :-) > > > Technically the major differences between XP Home and XP Pro are how > it handles domains and some other networking stuff, etc. From a > standpoint of drivers, ?both Pro and Home should be able to use the > same drivers, so provided you've got a XP Pro CD/License, you should > be able to go ahead so long as the drivers are somewhere you can > actually download them (like HP's website). I did also ask about Chrome OS, seeing as how it's based on Linux. I do have the disc & license for pro. Here is the proper link for the netbook, I think: http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&taskId=120&prodSeriesId=4004494&prodTypeId=321957&prodSeriesId=4004494&objectID=c01910933 -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon Sent from Don Mills, ON, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 19:43:31 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:43:31 -0500 Subject: OT: Just Got The HP Compaq Mini 110c-1100CA From Rogers In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0912101137u4668133bvda8a3d07d87a5ba8-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912101128t7d3e5bf2q8a7ccee0a9f2f6d4@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef0912101135k2877503amdc1f6f69097002cc@mail.gmail.com> <3a97ef0912101137u4668133bvda8a3d07d87a5ba8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912101143u211e7817ofa5eff5869983de2@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 14:37, Tyler Aviss wrote: > Just to add to that. If you have XP Home 32-bit and XP Pro 64-bit, you > probably won't have much luck with drivers on the 32-bit drivers on > 64-bit XP. In that case, make sure there are proper drivers available > for the architecture you decide to install. I have XP Pro x32 & WinVHP x64, I had both running in dual boot on my desktop, then I decided to get rid of WinXP and just have WinV running; so my XP Pro disc is sitting somewhere all by itself with nothing to run on. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon Sent from Don Mills, ON, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 19:51:01 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:51:01 -0500 Subject: Teksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <87skbj5o1k.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <20091210195101.GW761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 07:41:11AM +0100, Slack Rat wrote: > In retrospect, I had actually seen the page you referenced but had > forgotten. > > Incidentally, pinging news.teksavvy.com takes one to giganews which is > about the best available for news depending of course upon what > arrangements Teksavvy might have with Giganews. I see mentions of news2.teksavvy.com. I did get the impression that teksavvy outsources access to usenet. news.teksavvy.com seems to be an alias for news.isp.giganews.com news2.teksavvy.com seems to be an alias for ispnews.usenetserver.com No idea what that is. I guess it means decent usenet access to those that still use it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 19:51:58 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:51:58 -0500 Subject: Teksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B210AF9.10603-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20091210195158.GX761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 09:51:37AM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > With a static ip, which is required for mlppp, you get access to usenet > too :) You don't have to have a static ip with mlppp. They give you the choice, but you do have to pay the $4/month that a static IP costs to get mlppp, so why would you not get the static IP? :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 19:53:09 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:53:09 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B212EFB.4050804-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> Message-ID: <20091210195309.GY761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:25:15PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: > Does anyone have experience with acanac.com? > > They currently offer 5Mbps/800Kps, unlimited data xfer, and a static IP > for only $19 a month. They will work on a dry loop for only $27 / month. > One year payment in advance is required, but still.... > > This is $15 cheaper than my current (already cheap) service. Even with a > dry loop (which will allow me to dump bell completely) it is still > cheaper than what I currently pay. > > I'd really like to know how good this ISP is, 'cause it sure is tempting. > > Also they are partnered with Zazeen.com that offers virtual private > servers for $23/month. (again payable 1/yr in advance. > > These both look like really good deals. Well I would want a static IP. I don't think they do that. And what is their definition of unlimited? What will Bell do to you if you try to use the unlimited access? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 19:54:42 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:54:42 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B21380E.9030205-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> Message-ID: <20091210195442.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 01:03:58PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: > Hmmmm. So it is only for the first year. After that it goes up to > exactly what I currently pay. The only advantage they offer then is a > dry loop which my current ISP does not offer. teksavvy does dry loops too. And we know they are good. And if you pick mlppp you can upset bell even more. > Still might be worth it though, when I factor in what I save from > dumping Bell. Well my land line is the only thing I intend to keep with bell, unless someone else starts to offer phone service on my actual physical land line. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 20:06:23 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:06:23 -0500 Subject: Tools to break apart large log files. In-Reply-To: <4B20697D.6070309-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <4B20673D.2040904@ss.org> <4B20697D.6070309@ss.org> Message-ID: <20091210200623.GA761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 10:22:37PM -0500, Scott Sullivan wrote: > The log files have a time stamp at the front of each line, like this: > > [2009/12/09 19:10] UserA: Text > [2009/12/09 19:11] UserB: Responce > [2009/12/09 19:11] UserB: More Text > [2009/12/09 19:11] UserA: ??? Profit > > I want something that will register when the gap between the time stamps > is greater then a given value and split them out to separate files. Sounds like a job for perl. Of course given the standard 'mark' that syslog tends to do (great idea too), there probably won't ever be 2 hours between messages. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 20:10:04 2009 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:10:04 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <20091210195442.GZ761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> <20091210195442.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B21559C.4080308@teksavvy.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well my land line is the only thing I intend to keep with bell, unless > someone else starts to offer phone service on my actual physical land > line. > Teksavvy has a phone service. I switched over a couple of weeks ago. Everything is running smoothly and I'm saving about $12 a month. They did say there is no 900 service, so if you want to get Madam Anastasia at the Psychic Help Line or Bambi at Girls Gone Wild, you're out of luck. ;-> -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 20:15:08 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:15:08 -0500 Subject: OT: Need a new computer In-Reply-To: <20091210171300.GA13824-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20091207204719.GA5218@yam.witteman.ca> <20091207221229.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091208062949.GA2696@yam.witteman.ca> <20091208190102.GF761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091210171300.GA13824@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20091210201508.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:13:00PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > Taking Lennart's comments into account, and examining my > willingness-to-pay at a threshold of $600 (educational price for a Mac > Mini), I updated my requirements. > > What I ultimately want is a fully-functional Linux box - the Mac route, > though I love the power consumption and form factor, doesn't get me as > close to that as I like to that goal. > > I ultimately went with this system from Filtech: > > cheap case > P5KPL-AM SE motherboard (network, video, sound on board) I hate microATX boards. No expansion room. The onboard stuff is fine these days. > 2 GB Kingston RAM > Core 2 Quad Q8200 (no VT support, but I don't care, and the clockspeed > jump from 1GHz to 2.3GHz will (does!) seem big enough for me) > Seagate 320 Gb hard drive Avoid these like the plague. I still think $5 or 10 to double to a 640GB is easily worth it. You will need it some day. And stay away from seagate SATA drives. They are morons when it comes to sata firmware. They have a long history of failures so far. Not disk failures, but firmware failures. > Thermaltake 500W power supply I don't get a good feeling about those based on the tests I have read. In fact I get very bad feelings. What I listed in the last email is a much better quality setup. > $530 taxes in. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 20:22:34 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:22:34 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <20091210195309.GY761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <20091210195309.GY761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B21588A.6010008@moores.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:25:15PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: >> Does anyone have experience with acanac.com? >> >> They currently offer 5Mbps/800Kps, unlimited data xfer, and a static IP >> for only $19 a month. They will work on a dry loop for only $27 / month. >> One year payment in advance is required, but still.... >> >> This is $15 cheaper than my current (already cheap) service. Even with a >> dry loop (which will allow me to dump bell completely) it is still >> cheaper than what I currently pay. >> >> I'd really like to know how good this ISP is, 'cause it sure is tempting. >> >> Also they are partnered with Zazeen.com that offers virtual private >> servers for $23/month. (again payable 1/yr in advance. >> >> These both look like really good deals. > > Well I would want a static IP. I don't think they do that. And what > is their definition of unlimited? What will Bell do to you if you try > to use the unlimited access? > That does include static IP. Their TOS are pretty straight forward and give no qualifiers to the term "unlimited" so I think you can pretty much take it at face value. Bell shouldn't do anything to you. If they have an issue with it they should be talking to the ISP. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 20:23:46 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:23:46 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <20091210195442.GZ761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> <20091210195442.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B2158D2.4010800@moores.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Well my land line is the only thing I intend to keep with bell, unless > someone else starts to offer phone service on my actual physical land > line. > Y? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 20:47:12 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:47:12 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B21559C.4080308-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> <20091210195442.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B21559C.4080308@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <20091210204712.GC761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 03:10:04PM -0500, Glen Strom wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Well my land line is the only thing I intend to keep with bell, unless >> someone else starts to offer phone service on my actual physical land >> line. >> > > Teksavvy has a phone service. I switched over a couple of weeks ago. > Everything is running smoothly and I'm saving about $12 a month. And how is the phone service managed? Too many VoIP around, and I don't want that. > They did say there is no 900 service, so if you want to get Madam > Anastasia at the Psychic Help Line or Bambi at Girls Gone Wild, you're > out of luck. ;-> Yeah like anyone cares. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 20:52:35 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:52:35 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B2158D2.4010800-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> <20091210195442.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B2158D2.4010800@moores.ca> Message-ID: <20091210205235.GD761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 03:23:46PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: > > > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > > Well my land line is the only thing I intend to keep with bell, unless > > someone else starts to offer phone service on my actual physical land > > line. > > > > > Y? I want a phone line that works even during power failures. I do not want VoIP for my main phone. That means rogers's crappy phone system is totally not an option. Similar for many of the other phone system providers. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 20:54:12 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:54:12 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B21588A.6010008-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <20091210195309.GY761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B21588A.6010008@moores.ca> Message-ID: <20091210205412.GE761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 03:22:34PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: > That does include static IP. Their TOS are pretty straight forward and > give no qualifiers to the term "unlimited" so I think you can pretty > much take it at face value. Well not bad. I must admit I tend to not be a fan of advertising one price to get you hooked and then upping the price later. > Bell shouldn't do anything to you. If they have an issue with it they > should be talking to the ISP. They will throttle the line. We already know that. That's why teksavvy and a few others started messing with mlppp. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 20:51:06 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:51:06 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <20091210205235.GD761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> <20091210195442.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B2158D2.4010800@moores.ca> <20091210205235.GD761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912101251o3dc7ab0akde47f21b865e68ec@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 15:52, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > I want a phone line that works even during power failures. ?I do not > want VoIP for my main phone. ?That means rogers's crappy phone system > is totally not an option. ?Similar for many of the other phone system > providers. > You do know that 'Rogers' crappy phone system' comes with a battery backup? -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon Sent from Don Mills, ON, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 20:56:00 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:56:00 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912101251o3dc7ab0akde47f21b865e68ec-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> <20091210195442.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B2158D2.4010800@moores.ca> <20091210205235.GD761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <7c50d3570912101251o3dc7ab0akde47f21b865e68ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091210205600.GF761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 03:51:06PM -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 15:52, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > > > I want a phone line that works even during power failures. ?I do not > > want VoIP for my main phone. ?That means rogers's crappy phone system > > is totally not an option. ?Similar for many of the other phone system > > providers. > > > > > You do know that 'Rogers' crappy phone system' comes with a battery backup? Yes. It lasts up to 5 hours. That's totally not good enough. It also uses rogers' cable network, which while generally quite reliable, isn't always reliable. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 20:57:30 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:57:30 -0500 Subject: OT: Just Got The HP Compaq Mini 110c-1100CA From Rogers In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912101128t7d3e5bf2q8a7ccee0a9f2f6d4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912101128t7d3e5bf2q8a7ccee0a9f2f6d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091210205730.GG761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 02:28:08PM -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: > I signed up for the 2 year contract, was told it'll take 2 - 4 weeks > until I get the netbook, was just about to get in the shower when UPS > knocked on my door. It comes with WinXP Home SP3 preinstalled, > wondering if it's possibly to put WinXP Pro SP3 as I have an OEM disc > that I bought when I built my computer -- I was dual-booting with WinV > x64. I also wonder if Chrome OS would run on it. OEM disks are only ever useable on the first machine they were used on. SO if you ever installed and activated it, then that's it. No other machine can use it. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 21:00:08 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:00:08 -0500 Subject: Bash Script to Monitor Space by Directory. In-Reply-To: <20091210114126.GB9372@localhost> References: <835510.65668.qm@web32008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20091210114126.GB9372@localhost> Message-ID: <20091210210008.GH761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 06:41:26AM -0500, Scott Allen wrote: > Might I request that, for future posts, you endeavour to honour the > list's request to not include HTML formatting in your messages? > > If you're using the Yahoo web client, this can be accomplished by > clicking on the "Plain Text" link at the top right of the message entry > area. (The link will change to "Rich Text" and the formatting buttons > will disappear.) I don't remember seeing any html messages lately, so it must have been a multipart with both plain text and html. That's perfectly acceptable in general. If you choose to run a client that can display html, then that's your problem. It is a waste of bandwidth though. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 21:02:31 2009 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:02:31 -0500 Subject: OT: Need a new computer In-Reply-To: <20091210201508.GB761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20091207204719.GA5218@yam.witteman.ca> <20091207221229.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091208062949.GA2696@yam.witteman.ca> <20091208190102.GF761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091210171300.GA13824@yam.witteman.ca> <20091210201508.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20091210210231.GA15500@yam.witteman.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 03:15:08PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> P5KPL-AM SE motherboard (network, video, sound on board) >I hate microATX boards. No expansion room. The onboard stuff is fine >these days. I haven't expanded a computer in 5 years - not an issue for me. I may at some point add a video card - but that's no problem. >> Seagate 320 Gb hard drive >Avoid these like the plague. I still think $5 or 10 to double to a >640GB is easily worth it. You will need it some day. And stay away >from seagate SATA drives. They are morons when it comes to sata firmware. >They have a long history of failures so far. Not disk failures, but >firmware failures. I'll keep an eye on it - they didn't have the WD that I wanted. As for size, I haven't filled my 250Gb drive in five years of downloading TV and movies, so I'm not worried. >> Thermaltake 500W power supply >I don't get a good feeling about those based on the tests I have read. >In fact I get very bad feelings. What I listed in the last email is a >much better quality setup. I was hoping for the CoolerMaster 500W, but they were out of stock. If I run into trouble, I'll know who to blame. >> $530 taxes in. This is at least $200 less than your suggested system (which looked lovely, thank you for spec-ing it out for everyone), which I am going to take as a win. Time will tell. It runs like blazes right now - the dist-upgrade plus installing all of the programs I had on the last machine went in about an hour. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What I listed in the last email is a > much better quality setup. > > > $530 taxes in. > > I agree with Lennart on the TermalTake power supplies. The price is good and they should be better than what's in a cheap case but they still don't have PFC and aren't rated 80+ for efficiency. -- Mark Lane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 21:03:31 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:03:31 -0500 Subject: OT: Just Got The HP Compaq Mini 110c-1100CA From Rogers In-Reply-To: <20091210205730.GG761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912101128t7d3e5bf2q8a7ccee0a9f2f6d4@mail.gmail.com> <20091210205730.GG761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912101303p39b8036i85157b0d9e434c73@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 15:57, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > OEM disks are only ever useable on the first machine they were used on. > SO if you ever installed and activated it, then that's it. ?No other > machine can use it. > > -- > Len Sorensen That's if I can figure out how to get it on a netbook, or I may just ask for some help in putting Linux on it after I play around with it for a bit. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon Sent from Don Mills, ON, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 21:04:49 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:04:49 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <20091210205600.GF761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> <20091210195442.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B2158D2.4010800@moores.ca> <20091210205235.GD761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <7c50d3570912101251o3dc7ab0akde47f21b865e68ec@mail.gmail.com> <20091210205600.GF761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912101304q555a7eak95d59678a15e99be@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 15:56, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Yes. ?It lasts up to 5 hours. ?That's totally not good enough. ?It also > uses rogers' cable network, which while generally quite reliable, isn't > always reliable. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- I had nothing but problems when I was briefly with Bell, didn't really run into many problems when I was with Rogers before the summer, and so far no problems yet with Rogers, but of course time will tell. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon Sent from Don Mills, ON, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 21:05:31 2009 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:05:31 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <20091210195442.GZ761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> <20091210195442.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B21629B.9010606@utoronto.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> Still might be worth it though, when I factor in what I save from >> dumping Bell. > > Well my land line is the only thing I intend to keep with bell, unless > someone else starts to offer phone service on my actual physical land > line. Teksavvy does that too ;) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 21:05:54 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:05:54 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <20091210205235.GD761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> <20091210195442.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B2158D2.4010800@moores.ca> <20091210205235.GD761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B2162B2.10601@moores.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 03:23:46PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: >> >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>> Well my land line is the only thing I intend to keep with bell, unless >>> someone else starts to offer phone service on my actual physical land >>> line. >>> >> >> Y? > > I want a phone line that works even during power failures. I do not > want VoIP for my main phone. That means rogers's crappy phone system > is totally not an option. Similar for many of the other phone system > providers. > Battery backup for the router/modem is pretty easy to manage. Similarly you could configure your VOIP setup to forward calls to your cell in the case of your ISP connection being offline. I use VOIP for a second line at home. It works great. Soon I will probably take the next step and dump Bell. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 21:06:17 2009 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:06:17 -0500 Subject: OT: Just Got The HP Compaq Mini 110c-1100CA From Rogers In-Reply-To: <20091210205730.GG761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912101128t7d3e5bf2q8a7ccee0a9f2f6d4@mail.gmail.com> <20091210205730.GG761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <92ee967a0912101306g58d5bfc6ra5c658bb54368856@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 02:28:08PM -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: >> I signed up for the 2 year contract, was told it'll take 2 - 4 weeks >> until I get the netbook, was just about to get in the shower when UPS >> knocked on my door. ?It comes with WinXP Home SP3 preinstalled, >> wondering if it's possibly to put WinXP Pro SP3 as I have an OEM disc >> that I bought when I built my computer -- I was dual-booting with WinV >> x64. ?I also wonder if Chrome OS would run on it. > > OEM disks are only ever useable on the first machine they were used on. > SO if you ever installed and activated it, then that's it. ?No other > machine can use it. Last I read too about the OEM licenses, Microsoft wants the license to appear on the same receipt as at least the HDD, CPU and Motherboard. That was some time back though. The only annoying difference between XP Home and XP Pro for me is that you cannot use RDP to connect to a remote XP Home box. Depending on how you use your computer, this can be really annoying, although VNC works in a pinch. The domain stuff is true too, but I don't use any of that. Take an image of your recovery partition if you're going to try anything. Else, you may blow your only copy of the OS. When I use commercial software, I play by the rules. It forces you to more carefully consider the alternatives. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 21:06:46 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:06:46 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <20091210205412.GE761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <20091210195309.GY761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B21588A.6010008@moores.ca> <20091210205412.GE761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B2162E6.7040204@moores.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > They will throttle the line. We already know that. That's why teksavvy > and a few others started messing with mlppp. > Yeah, but they are going to do that no matter who your ISP is. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 21:08:16 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:08:16 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <20091210205600.GF761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> <20091210195442.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B2158D2.4010800@moores.ca> <20091210205235.GD761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <7c50d3570912101251o3dc7ab0akde47f21b865e68ec@mail.gmail.com> <20091210205600.GF761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B216340.9040908@moores.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 03:51:06PM -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 15:52, Lennart Sorensen >> wrote: >>> I want a phone line that works even during power failures. I do not >>> want VoIP for my main phone. That means rogers's crappy phone system >>> is totally not an option. Similar for many of the other phone system >>> providers. >>> >> >> You do know that 'Rogers' crappy phone system' comes with a battery backup? > > Yes. It lasts up to 5 hours. That's totally not good enough. It also > uses rogers' cable network, which while generally quite reliable, isn't > always reliable. > Wow, really? I can only remember one time in the last 20 years there was a power failure that a 5 hour backup supply couldn't handle. You must live deep in the boonies or something. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 21:08:44 2009 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:08:44 -0500 Subject: OT: Need a new computer In-Reply-To: References: <20091207204719.GA5218@yam.witteman.ca> <20091207221229.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091208062949.GA2696@yam.witteman.ca> <20091208190102.GF761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091210171300.GA13824@yam.witteman.ca> <20091210201508.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B21635C.6040900@utoronto.ca> Mark Lane wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Lennart Sorensen > > wrote: > > > Thermaltake 500W power supply > I don't get a good feeling about those based on the tests I have read. > In fact I get very bad feelings. What I listed in the last email is a > much better quality setup. > > > $530 taxes in. > > I agree with Lennart on the TermalTake power supplies. The price is good > and they should be better than what's in a cheap case but they still > don't have PFC and aren't rated 80+ for efficiency. I just had what I thought was my trusty Antec one and only up and die on me after 3 years. Decided to branch out and try an OCZ unit, and I have to say it is superb, and a good price at Filtech: http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/power_management/ocz_500w_700w_modxstream_pro_power_supply Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 21:17:16 2009 From: vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jon VanAlten) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:17:16 -0500 Subject: OT: Just Got The HP Compaq Mini 110c-1100CA From Rogers In-Reply-To: <20091210205730.GG761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912101128t7d3e5bf2q8a7ccee0a9f2f6d4@mail.gmail.com> <20091210205730.GG761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <5390d2750912101317n3afc0aadl27358d1d4d316893@mail.gmail.com> > > OEM disks are only ever useable on the first machine they were used on. > SO if you ever installed and activated it, then that's it. ?No other > machine can use it. > This depends. There are OEM disks that come from a manufacturer and are usually a preinstalled OS image including annoyance software and manufacturer customization; these and the license key associated with the machine are unlikely to be ever transferred to a new machine. On the other hand there are the OEM disks that are generally available retail. Their intent is to be associated with the first computer they are ever used on; there is a some sort of hash of model/serial numbers of various bits of hardware in that machine that get sent to Microsoft with your activation. However, calling Microsoft customer support and explaining that you have "upgraded" that machine's parts (thus changing the hardware hash), they are usually helpful with walking through the "manual" activation process, in my experience. YMMV, of course. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mattseburn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 21:19:40 2009 From: mattseburn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Seburn) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:19:40 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP Message-ID: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> I tried switching to Teksavvy over the summer and had a nightmare of a time with it, and was never successful in getting everything set up. Basic problem is that there is an issue with the Bell line in our building, Bell came out multiple times, they need authorization from the property managers in order to do the work. The property managers are a pain to start out with and aren't cooperating. Doesn't help that I'm dealing with a reseller which makes it an unusual situation for everyone. Does anyone have any advice here? Either for dealing with the situation with Teksavvy, or with another reseller. Are there any Rogers resellers worth looking at? Thanks, Matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 21:25:03 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:25:03 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> Matt Seburn wrote: > Are there any Rogers resellers worth looking at? > Huh? I didn't realize there was such a beast. I though only Bell was forced to allow resellers on their network. Rogers I thought had a complete monopoly over their network. One reason I never considered going with Rogers. Are you saying that there is some form of choice within the Rogers ecosystem? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mattseburn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 21:29:27 2009 From: mattseburn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Seburn) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:29:27 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B21672F.6060902-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> Message-ID: <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> Mostly I'm saying I'm ignorant on the whole thing, and would like some advice :) Preliminary google searches indicate that such a beast might be in existence, but that could certainly be incorrect. So, it sounds like you're saying that my ISP choices are Rogers, and Rogers.. :( On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Darryl Moore wrote: > > > Matt Seburn wrote: >> ?Are there any Rogers resellers worth looking at? >> > > > Huh? I didn't realize there was such a beast. I though only Bell was > forced to allow resellers on their network. Rogers I thought had a > complete monopoly over their network. One reason I never considered > going with Rogers. Are you saying that there is some form of choice > within the Rogers ecosystem? > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 21:33:09 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:33:09 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 16:29, Matt Seburn wrote: > Mostly I'm saying I'm ignorant on the whole thing, and would like some > advice :) ?Preliminary google searches indicate that such a beast > might be in existence, but that could certainly be incorrect. > > So, it sounds like you're saying that my ISP choices are Rogers, and Rogers.. :( > Rogers isn't so bad, at least they don't traffic shape the hell out of things like Bell does. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon Sent from Don Mills, ON, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 21:40:25 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:40:25 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B216340.9040908-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> <20091210195442.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B2158D2.4010800@moores.ca> <20091210205235.GD761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <7c50d3570912101251o3dc7ab0akde47f21b865e68ec@mail.gmail.com> <20091210205600.GF761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B216340.9040908@moores.ca> Message-ID: <20091210214025.GI761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:08:16PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: > Wow, really? I can only remember one time in the last 20 years there was > a power failure that a 5 hour backup supply couldn't handle. You must > live deep in the boonies or something. Yeah, steeles and don mills. I have had at least 2 in the last 5 years that were longer than 5 hours. I have had more than that in number of times the cable network was out. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 21:44:30 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:44:30 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B216BBE.9060603@moores.ca> Michael Lauzon wrote: > > Rogers isn't so bad, at least they don't traffic shape the hell out of > things like Bell does. > > Sadly true about the traffic shaping I'm afraid. On the other hand they are at least $10/month more than my current ISP; do not offer static IP (If they did I'm sure it would cost more again); Block ports such as SMTP, has TOS that disallows servers; and limits monthly data xfer. Thanks. I'll stick with the DSL resellers and put up with Bells traffic shaping. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 21:52:42 2009 From: gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:52:42 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <20091210204712.GC761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> <20091210195442.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B21559C.4080308@teksavvy.com> <20091210204712.GC761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B216DAA.903@teksavvy.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 03:10:04PM -0500, Glen Strom wrote: >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> > Well my land line is the only thing I intend to keep with bell, unless >>> someone else starts to offer phone service on my actual physical land >>> line. >>> >> Teksavvy has a phone service. I switched over a couple of weeks ago. >> Everything is running smoothly and I'm saving about $12 a month. > > And how is the phone service managed? Too many VoIP around, and I don't > want that. > I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's POTS, not VoIP. >> They did say there is no 900 service, so if you want to get Madam >> Anastasia at the Psychic Help Line or Bambi at Girls Gone Wild, you're >> out of luck. ;-> > > Yeah like anyone cares. :) You never know--this is a diverse group. ;-> -- Glen Strom gstrom-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 22:00:08 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:00:08 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B216BBE.9060603-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> <4B216BBE.9060603@moores.ca> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912101400k587e8c1bhd5813c6bf39b9a8d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 16:44, Darryl Moore wrote: > > Sadly true about the traffic shaping I'm afraid. > > On the other hand they are at least $10/month more than my current ISP; > do not offer static IP (If they did I'm sure it would cost more again); > Block ports such as SMTP, has TOS that disallows servers; and limits > monthly data xfer. > > Thanks. I'll stick with the DSL resellers and put up with Bells traffic > shaping. > Well, I was with Bell for a few months, so I know, however it was different when I lived in Edmonton in 2007, Shaw Cable traffic shaped the hell out of everything, and when you confronted them on it they lied to you and said they didn't do that; Telus on the other hand hardly if ever traffic shaped at the time. I am currently using Rogers for everything: Digital VIP + HDPVR (don't have an HDTV, but it's the only way to get the PVR now), phone, and High Speed Ultimate (50Mbps down/2Mbps up; 175GB cap, 0.50/GB if you go over the cap). -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon Sent from Don Mills, ON, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mattseburn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 22:07:04 2009 From: mattseburn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matt Seburn) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:07:04 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B216BBE.9060603-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> <4B216BBE.9060603@moores.ca> Message-ID: <8e023ee60912101407v5c813912yd38f2de52aa85f53@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Darryl Moore wrote: > > > Michael Lauzon wrote: >> >> Rogers isn't so bad, at least they don't traffic shape the hell out of >> things like Bell does. >> >> > > Sadly true about the traffic shaping I'm afraid. > > On the other hand they are at least $10/month more than my current ISP; > do not offer static IP (If they did I'm sure it would cost more again); > Block ports such as SMTP, has TOS that disallows servers; and limits > monthly data xfer. > > Thanks. I'll stick with the DSL resellers and put up with Bells traffic > shaping. This is exactly why I want out of Rogers. I want a static IP and I want to run a mail server. And to not have to worry about my service getting shut off for running web and ssh servers. Even with Rogers' business plans you're already looking at close to $100/ month for a static IP.. and that's assuming they even let Joe Residential get business plans.... > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 22:07:52 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:07:52 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912101400k587e8c1bhd5813c6bf39b9a8d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> <4B216BBE.9060603@moores.ca> <7c50d3570912101400k587e8c1bhd5813c6bf39b9a8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B217138.6070204@moores.ca> Michael Lauzon wrote: > > I am currently using Rogers for everything: Digital VIP + HDPVR (don't > have an HDTV, but it's the only way to get the PVR now), phone, and > High Speed Ultimate (50Mbps down/2Mbps up; 175GB cap, 0.50/GB if you > go over the cap). > > What? Not cellphone too? :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 22:10:59 2009 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:10:59 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912101400k587e8c1bhd5813c6bf39b9a8d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> <4B216BBE.9060603@moores.ca> <7c50d3570912101400k587e8c1bhd5813c6bf39b9a8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2171F3.9090302@utoronto.ca> Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 16:44, Darryl Moore wrote: >> Sadly true about the traffic shaping I'm afraid. >> >> On the other hand they are at least $10/month more than my current ISP; >> do not offer static IP (If they did I'm sure it would cost more again); >> Block ports such as SMTP, has TOS that disallows servers; and limits >> monthly data xfer. >> >> Thanks. I'll stick with the DSL resellers and put up with Bells traffic >> shaping. >> > > Well, I was with Bell for a few months, so I know, however it was > different when I lived in Edmonton in 2007, Shaw Cable traffic shaped > the hell out of everything, and when you confronted them on it they > lied to you and said they didn't do that; Telus on the other hand > hardly if ever traffic shaped at the time. > > I am currently using Rogers for everything: Digital VIP + HDPVR (don't > have an HDTV, but it's the only way to get the PVR now), phone, and > High Speed Ultimate (50Mbps down/2Mbps up; 175GB cap, 0.50/GB if you > go over the cap). Incredible, 50Mbps sustained throughput would be about 9-10 hours of constant traffic, or ~130TB/month. That's 3 orders of magnitude more capacity than what you get. If you went over your 175GB at that rate, your bill would be ~$66,500. Buy a dedicated server for a hundred bucks a month instead.. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 23:05:41 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:05:41 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B2162B2.10601-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> <20091210195442.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B2158D2.4010800@moores.ca> <20091210205235.GD761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B2162B2.10601@moores.ca> Message-ID: <20091210230541.GJ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:05:54PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: > Battery backup for the router/modem is pretty easy to manage. Similarly > you could configure your VOIP setup to forward calls to your cell in the > case of your ISP connection being offline. Cell phones can run out of battaries too. > I use VOIP for a second line at home. It works great. Soon I will > probably take the next step and dump Bell. Some years ago a wrench took out all Bell's cell phones in the GTA. They can fail too. Took out lots of lands lines too, but only in the downtown core. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 23:06:10 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:06:10 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B21629B.9010606-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> <20091210195442.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B21629B.9010606@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20091210230610.GK761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:05:31PM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>> Still might be worth it though, when I factor in what I save from >>> dumping Bell. >> >> Well my land line is the only thing I intend to keep with bell, unless >> someone else starts to offer phone service on my actual physical land >> line. > > Teksavvy does that too ;) Well then that might actually be interesting. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 23:21:06 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:21:06 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B21672F.6060902-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> Message-ID: <20091210232106.GL761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:25:03PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: > Huh? I didn't realize there was such a beast. I though only Bell was > forced to allow resellers on their network. Rogers I thought had a > complete monopoly over their network. One reason I never considered > going with Rogers. Are you saying that there is some form of choice > within the Rogers ecosystem? 3web among others sell cablemodem service. They are cheaper than rogers too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 23:21:33 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:21:33 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091210232133.GM761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:33:09PM -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: > Rogers isn't so bad, at least they don't traffic shape the hell out of > things like Bell does. They have sometimes done some. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 23:24:59 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:24:59 -0500 Subject: OT: Need a new computer In-Reply-To: <20091210210231.GA15500-BcIWU8F4MdiF6w9186ga+w@public.gmane.org> References: <20091207204719.GA5218@yam.witteman.ca> <20091207221229.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091208062949.GA2696@yam.witteman.ca> <20091208190102.GF761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091210171300.GA13824@yam.witteman.ca> <20091210201508.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091210210231.GA15500@yam.witteman.ca> Message-ID: <20091210232459.GN761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:02:31PM -0500, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I haven't expanded a computer in 5 years - not an issue for me. I may > at some point add a video card - but that's no problem. > > I'll keep an eye on it - they didn't have the WD that I wanted. As for > size, I haven't filled my 250Gb drive in five years of downloading TV > and movies, so I'm not worried. > > I was hoping for the CoolerMaster 500W, but they were out of stock. If > I run into trouble, I'll know who to blame. Actually I just checked some more, and it seems the current thermaltake are at least decent power supplies. > This is at least $200 less than your suggested system (which looked > lovely, thank you for spec-ing it out for everyone), which I am going to > take as a win. Time will tell. I think my last spec was around $540+tax. > It runs like blazes right now - the dist-upgrade plus installing all of > the programs I had on the last machine went in about an hour. Well modern machines are like that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 23:23:08 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:23:08 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B217138.6070204-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> <4B216BBE.9060603@moores.ca> <7c50d3570912101400k587e8c1bhd5813c6bf39b9a8d@mail.gmail.com> <4B217138.6070204@moores.ca> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912101523k56eeb6dax65e31f882f408bac@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 17:07, Darryl Moore wrote: > > What? Not cellphone too? :-) I've got a cellphone, it's with Telus and it's pay-as-you-go, because everyone wants a security deposit from me before they'll give me a contract. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon Sent from Don Mills, ON, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 23:27:10 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:27:10 -0500 Subject: OT: Need a new computer In-Reply-To: References: <20091207204719.GA5218@yam.witteman.ca> <20091207221229.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091208062949.GA2696@yam.witteman.ca> <20091208190102.GF761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091210171300.GA13824@yam.witteman.ca> <20091210201508.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20091210232710.GO761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:02:54PM -0500, Mark Lane wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Lennart Sorensen < > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > Thermaltake 500W power supply > > I don't get a good feeling about those based on the tests I have read. > > In fact I get very bad feelings. What I listed in the last email is a > > much better quality setup. > > > > > $530 taxes in. > > > > > I agree with Lennart on the TermalTake power supplies. The price is good and > they should be better than what's in a cheap case but they still don't have > PFC and aren't rated 80+ for efficiency. Actually apparently some of them do have PFC and better than 80% efficiency. Those models are apparently rather pricy though. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 23:24:29 2009 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:24:29 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <20091210232106.GL761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <20091210232106.GL761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <92ee967a0912101524v28c88994i8e67ee915c64b1ae@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:25:03PM -0500, Darryl Moore wrote: >> Huh? I didn't realize there was such a beast. I though only Bell was >> forced to allow resellers on their network. Rogers I thought had a >> complete monopoly over their network. One reason I never considered >> going with Rogers. Are you saying that there is some form of choice >> within the Rogers ecosystem? > > 3web among others sell cablemodem service. ?They are cheaper than > rogers too. I was on 3web for a while. They were great when they worked. Twice during a year of service, there was an unexplained outage of 24 hours or more. The Rogers network was fine, it was something in the back end. Other than those two extended outages, they were rock solid and fast. I'd say that they're fine if you're using the Internet for games and stuff, but if you're doing any real work with it, it's not good enough. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 23:24:32 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:24:32 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B2171F3.9090302-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> <4B216BBE.9060603@moores.ca> <7c50d3570912101400k587e8c1bhd5813c6bf39b9a8d@mail.gmail.com> <4B2171F3.9090302@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912101524n66f01ecey40a3f5a94eb53fc@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 17:10, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Incredible, 50Mbps sustained throughput would be about 9-10 hours of > constant traffic, or ~130TB/month. That's 3 orders of magnitude more > capacity than what you get. > > If you went over your 175GB at that rate, your bill would be ~$66,500. > > Buy a dedicated server for a hundred bucks a month instead.. > > Jamon I don't know where you're getting your math from.... -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon Sent from Don Mills, ON, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 23:25:21 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:25:21 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <20091210232133.GM761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> <20091210232133.GM761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912101525n7fd87236kc22040756287e112@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 18:21, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > They have sometimes done some. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- I know that, but they don't seem to do it as much. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon Sent from Don Mills, ON, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 10 23:52:45 2009 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:52:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Bash Script to Monitor Space by Directory. In-Reply-To: <141367.74631.qm-878fnSLL0zavuULXzWHTWIglqE1Y4D90QQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <141367.74631.qm@web32008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Dennis Antle wrote: > Thanks Kevin, > I'm currently using cron to dump the results of du into a text file each night. Format of the text file is > > size /directory/path > size /directory/path/subdir/ > > Where I run into trouble is when compareing yesterdays text file to > todays to detect if a directory has grown by over a GB. If a > directory has grown more than a GB then I want the script to email > me. > > I have a working script, but it takes to long to process on large > volumes. So what I need is an efficient way to loop through the > lines in the text files. The time is taken by all those calls to sed (let read do the splitting or use shell parameter expansion) and using expr for arithmetic (the shell can do that itself). > FILE2=$(date --date="1 days ago" +%Y%m%d).arc > showopts () { > while getopts ":pq:" optname > do > case "$optname" in > "f") > FILE2=./$OPTARG > ;; > *) > # Should not occur > echo "Unknown error while processing options" > ;; > esac > done > return $OPTIND > } > FILE=$(date +%Y%m%d).arc > declare growth=0 > while read line1; while read size1 dir1 > do > size1=`echo $line1 | sed 's/\s.*//'` > dir1=`echo $line1 | sed 's/\S*\s*//'` > while read line2; while read size2 dir2 > do > size2=`echo $line2 | sed 's/\s.*//'` > dir2=`echo $line2 | sed 's/\S*\s*//'` > if [ "$dir1" = "$dir2" ]; > then > growth=`expr $size1 - $size2` growth=$(( $size1 - $size2 )) > if [ $growth -ge 1000 ]; > then > echo $dir1 " |growth:" $growth > fi > fi > > done < $FILE2 > done < $FILE Much faster than looping through $FILE2 for every line of $FILE would be to use join: join -1 2 -2 2 ~/txt ~/txt2 | while read dir size1 size2 do : make your comparison here done > --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Kevin Cozens wrote: > > > From: Kevin Cozens > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Bash Script to Monitor Space by Directory. > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Received: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 3:54 PM > > > Dennis Antle wrote: > > So I need to develop a bash script to monitor changes in size by directory, on the SAN volume. > > I'm looking for advise as to how to go about this? > > You could use the du command to get the information you need. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 01:56:12 2009 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:56:12 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912101524n66f01ecey40a3f5a94eb53fc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> <4B216BBE.9060603@moores.ca> <7c50d3570912101400k587e8c1bhd5813c6bf39b9a8d@mail.gmail.com> <4B2171F3.9090302@utoronto.ca> <7c50d3570912101524n66f01ecey40a3f5a94eb53fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B21A6BC.3090908@utoronto.ca> Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 17:10, Jamon Camisso wrote: >> Incredible, 50Mbps sustained throughput would be about 9-10 hours of >> constant traffic, or ~130TB/month. That's 3 orders of magnitude more >> capacity than what you get. >> >> If you went over your 175GB at that rate, your bill would be ~$66,500. >> >> Buy a dedicated server for a hundred bucks a month instead.. >> >> Jamon > > I don't know where you're getting your math from.... Yes, I had an extra digit when multiplying bits. *Only* 15TB/month :p MB/s min(MB) hour(GB) day(GB) month(TB) 6.25 375 21.97 527.34 15.45 15820GB - 175GB = 15645GB 15645GB * $0.50/GB = $7822 Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 02:05:26 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:05:26 -0500 Subject: OT: Damin name, cyber-squatters Message-ID: <4B21A8E6.10001@gmail.com> I currently have registered devmentor.org as a federal corporation here in canada and the name devmentor.org + logo is going through a trademark process right now. I want to know what rights I have to protect my domain name and to even prevent others from using it. Right now I own .org, is there a way for me to get ownership of the .com and .net domain Is there a process I can start with IANA OR ICANN, would they rule in my favor since I have both a registered business name and pending trademark. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 02:17:21 2009 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:17:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Damin name, cyber-squatters In-Reply-To: <4B21A8E6.10001-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B21A8E6.10001@gmail.com> Message-ID: I know .ca names are first come first server. I am not sure about .com .net etc.. You may want to check out the Uniform Domain-Name Dispute-Resolution Policy http://www.icann.org/en/udrp/udrp.htm > I currently have registered devmentor.org as a federal corporation here > in canada and the name devmentor.org + logo is going through a trademark > process right now. > > I want to know what rights I have to protect my domain name and to even > prevent others from using it. Right now I own .org, is there a way for > me to get ownership of the .com and .net domain > > Is there a process I can start with IANA OR ICANN, would they rule in my > favor since I have both a registered business name and pending trademark. > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav > > http://DevMentor.org > > Do Good! - Share Freely > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 02:18:40 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:18:40 -0500 Subject: OT: Damin name, cyber-squatters In-Reply-To: <4B21A8E6.10001-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B21A8E6.10001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B21AC00.3000009@alteeve.com> Rajinder Yadav wrote: > I currently have registered devmentor.org as a federal corporation here > in canada and the name devmentor.org + logo is going through a trademark > process right now. > > I want to know what rights I have to protect my domain name and to even > prevent others from using it. Right now I own .org, is there a way for > me to get ownership of the .com and .net domain > > Is there a process I can start with IANA OR ICANN, would they rule in my > favor since I have both a registered business name and pending trademark. > The fact that you are just now registering the trademarks will make it very hard for you to argue that any existing squatters are trying to profit off of your mark. devmentor.com was registered in 2006, though doesn't seem to be in use. The .net version was registered on 2007 and is in use, and clearly not a squatter (no ads, no offer to sell). The .ca is available, so I'd suggest just ordering it. For the .com and .net, I'd say your best bet is to write to them and say "hey, I'm a nobody, so I can't offer you much, but I would really like to use this domain. Can we come to a fair deal so that I could buy it from you?". Once, about five years ago, I wanted a particular domain that was help by a squatter. At first they wanted a couple grand for it, and I told them I wanted it for non-commercial uses and wasn't ready to pay anywhere close to that much. In the end I got the domain for ~$100. I really doubt ICANN/IANA will help you, being the newest comer. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 02:47:00 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:47:00 -0500 Subject: OT: Damin name, cyber-squatters In-Reply-To: <4B21A8E6.10001-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B21A8E6.10001@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > I currently have registered devmentor.org as a federal corporation here in > canada and the name devmentor.org + logo is going through a trademark > process right now. > > I want to know what rights I have to protect my domain name and to even > prevent others from using it. Right now I own .org, is there a way for me to > get ownership of the .com and .net domain > > Is there a process I can start with IANA OR ICANN, would they rule in my > favor since I have both a registered business name and pending trademark. Look up UDRP... http://www.icann.org/en/udrp/udrp.htm I'd expect that since your trademark doesn't predate the registration of devmentor.com, in 2006, your claim would be considered rather weak. But you really should look to the policy. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Pablo Picasso - "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 03:44:42 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:44:42 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B21A6BC.3090908-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> <4B216BBE.9060603@moores.ca> <7c50d3570912101400k587e8c1bhd5813c6bf39b9a8d@mail.gmail.com> <4B2171F3.9090302@utoronto.ca> <7c50d3570912101524n66f01ecey40a3f5a94eb53fc@mail.gmail.com> <4B21A6BC.3090908@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912101944i351b37ebs861314317952d4cf@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 20:56, Jamon Camisso wrote: > > Yes, I had an extra digit when multiplying bits. *Only* 15TB/month :p > > MB/s ?min(MB) ?hour(GB) ?day(GB) ?month(TB) > 6.25 ?375 ? ? ?21.97 ? ? 527.34 ? 15.45 > > 15820GB - 175GB = 15645GB > > 15645GB * $0.50/GB = $7822 > > Jamon I still don't see where you're getting your math from, because if you go over the 175GB quota, it's 0.50/GB up to a total of $25.... -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 03:50:15 2009 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:50:15 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912101944i351b37ebs861314317952d4cf-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> <4B216BBE.9060603@moores.ca> <7c50d3570912101400k587e8c1bhd5813c6bf39b9a8d@mail.gmail.com> <4B2171F3.9090302@utoronto.ca> <7c50d3570912101524n66f01ecey40a3f5a94eb53fc@mail.gmail.com> <4B21A6BC.3090908@utoronto.ca> <7c50d3570912101944i351b37ebs861314317952d4cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B21C177.3070606@utoronto.ca> Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 20:56, Jamon Camisso wrote: >> Yes, I had an extra digit when multiplying bits. *Only* 15TB/month :p >> >> MB/s min(MB) hour(GB) day(GB) month(TB) >> 6.25 375 21.97 527.34 15.45 >> >> 15820GB - 175GB = 15645GB >> >> 15645GB * $0.50/GB = $7822 >> >> Jamon > > I still don't see where you're getting your math from, because if you > go over the 175GB quota, it's 0.50/GB up to a total of $25.... That's the missing piece of information ($25 limit). Helpful thing to have indeed. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 05:23:54 2009 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:23:54 -0500 Subject: USB LCD's and Linux In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0912100710y4f785bj4a4294d592868830-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0912091036p5121499ay8b350b0986f033dc@mail.gmail.com> <4B2063D4.3090408@ss.org> <3a97ef0912100710y4f785bj4a4294d592868830@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B21D76A.5000000@ss.org> On 12/10/2009 10:10 AM, Tyler Aviss wrote: > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Scott Sullivan wrote: > >> These are what your looking for: >> http://www.mimomonitors.com/ >> >> There is already some partial linux driver support, not sure how close to >> usable it is since I first learned about it almost half a year ago. >> >> On 12/09/2009 01:36 PM, Tyler Aviss wrote: >> > Those are along the right lines, but according to the FAQ Linux isn't > in the cards right now: > > http://www.mimomonitors.com/pages/frequently-asked-questions-faq > > Actually their driver support in general seems to be fairly limited. > Reading around point to the community for drivers: http://libdlo.freedesktop.org/wiki/ Still, it's not yet simple, just works. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tenger-P1ovA8G34VBEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 12:44:38 2009 From: tenger-P1ovA8G34VBEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org (Terrence Enger) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:44:38 -0500 Subject: Bash Script to Monitor Space by Directory. In-Reply-To: <835510.65668.qm-878fnSLL0zavuULXzWHTWIglqE1Y4D90QQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <835510.65668.qm@web32008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1260535478.8272.44.camel@cougar-hardy> On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 08:27 -0800, Dennis Antle wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is my first post. > > I have a SAN that is nearly full. > I'm able to monitor the SAN volume using df, but it don't tell me > where the growth took place. > So I need to develop a bash script to monitor changes in size by > directory, on the SAN volume. > I'm looking for advise as to how to go about this? > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This is not what you are looking for, but ... Several years ago, I wrote a program which would take the output from `ls -lR` of whatever, for each file or directory calculate the rolled-up size (meaning for a directory the recursive total size of all its contents), and sort the result by descending rolled-up size. The resulting list was enormous, but generally it was not hard to the interesting bits: you would ignore the first few lines (you already know that / is going to be big, don't you?), and after some number of further lines you are down to numbers small enough that you don't care to read any further. I have not tried to use this for a long time, as I have been able to buy enough lotsabytes of disk to meet my needs. If anybody cares, I shall see what I can resurrect. Cheers, Terry. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 12:45:49 2009 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:45:49 -0500 Subject: Rogers battery backup (Was: Re: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP) In-Reply-To: <20091210205600.GF761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org>; from lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org on Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 15:56:00 -0500 References: <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> <20091210195442.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B2158D2.4010800@moores.ca> <20091210205235.GD761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <7c50d3570912101251o3dc7ab0akde47f21b865e68ec@mail.gmail.com> <20091210205600.GF761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20091211124549.GB1909@localhost> On Thu Dec 10,2009 03:56:00 PM Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 03:51:06PM -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: >> You do know that 'Rogers' crappy phone system' comes with a >> battery backup? > > Yes. It lasts up to 5 hours. That's totally not good enough. Even if 5 hours is actually good enough for some, my concern would be: Is there anything in the system to monitor, maintain and test the batteries in the customers' boxes? Is there any guarantee that the battery hasn't lost capacity or died over the time since a box was installed? I can envision many Rogers customers getting only a few minutes or less of phone use during the next lengthy power failure. Although Bell may also use battery backup, at least it's centralised and maintained. Being centralised, the batteries could easily be supplemented with generators. A customer could plug the Rogers box into a UPS in case the internal battery fails, but is "Joe six pack" going to consider it? Plus, the UPS battery would now have to be maintained. "Hey, we could put another UPS in front of that UPS!" ... ;-) -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 12:12:12 2009 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:12:12 -0500 Subject: HTML posts (Was: Re: Bash Script to Monitor Space by Directory.) In-Reply-To: <20091210210008.GH761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org>; from lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org on Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 16:00:08 -0500 References: <835510.65668.qm@web32008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20091210114126.GB9372@localhost> <20091210210008.GH761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20091211121212.GA1909@localhost> On Thu Dec 10,2009 04:00:08 PM Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I don't remember seeing any html messages lately, so it must have > been a multipart with both plain text and html. Yes, both of the messages that I replied (or complained, if you wish) about yesterday also contained a plain text section. > That's perfectly acceptable in general. If that's the case, then can the "No HTML" part of the tag lines added to the end of each post be removed or changed to something like "must include a plain text part"? > If you choose to run a client that can display html, then that's > your problem. My client (an old version of Balsa) can display both HTML and plain text parts. The problem is that it defaults to displaying HTML if present. I find this harder to read than plain text. I have to scroll to the end of the message and click on an icon to switch. I will accept your belief that it's my problem, stop complaining and live with the annoyance, if the "powers that be" agree and change the appended tag lines to clarify. > It is a waste of bandwidth though. :) I still use a dial-up link to retrieve my mail so included HTML can noticeably increase my download times. (Please don't reply with something like "Get into the 21st century man and get a high speed link". I still use dial-up for budgetary reasons and mainly to retain my current e-mail address. Which, I guess, is also my problem.) -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 13:53:43 2009 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:53:43 -0500 Subject: Linux Installs and Children... Message-ID: Ran across the following story about a 5 year old girl attempting to do an Ubuntu Linux install. http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/88/the-un-scary-screwdriver As it turned out she couldn't do it on her own, at points she needed the help of her older brother, brother being 6 years old... >From time to time I do introductory talks on Linux, and the above is a great story, question is do I tell adults that I am attempting to get them to the level of what two sub-7 year old children can do :-) ? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 14:12:31 2009 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:12:31 -0300 Subject: Linux Installs and Children... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1089a0320912110612p308b79ddkaa705f7881d127b0@mail.gmail.com> Haha... Interesting story. The fact is that human beings tend to fear the unknown. Because they are adapted to Windows they start to fear Linux thinking it will be difficult or even impossible to learn. This fear eventually push them away from the simple act of TESTING the new System. Like everything in our life. It's different with children. They have open minds and are always full of curiosities trying to know and understand everything that is available to them. They do not have the fear of "change". But if we have the chance to do the same test with people who also have an open mind, we will see similar results. An example of this occurred in my girlfriend's house. 2 years ago I installed linux on her home's desktop. This machine is used by her (21 years), her sister (13 years) and her mother (62 years). Each of them has a different profile and use different applications but all of them got adapted quickly and can realize all their needs After 13 months using Linux on her desktop my girlfriend bought a laptop. The same came with Windows and she brought me asking to install Linux on it. She had become accustomed to Linux and already felt better than Windows. She even comments with her colleagues at university about how her machine it no longer lives full of viruses. hehe cheers --- - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org - KDE Brasil Member - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > Ran across the following story about a 5 year old girl attempting to > do an Ubuntu Linux install. > > http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/88/the-un-scary-screwdriver > > As it turned out she couldn't do it on her own, at points she needed > the help of her older brother, brother being 6 years old... > > From time to time I do introductory talks on Linux, and the above is a > great story, question is do I tell adults that I am attempting to get > them to the level of what two sub-7 year old children can do ?:-) ?? > > > Colin McGregor > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 14:51:43 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:51:43 +0300 Subject: Linux Installs and Children... In-Reply-To: <1089a0320912110612p308b79ddkaa705f7881d127b0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1089a0320912110612p308b79ddkaa705f7881d127b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B225C7F.6080106@gmail.com> Marcelo, In Canada nobody is going to understand you. You are lost there. zb. Marcelo Cavalcante wrote: > Haha... > > Interesting story. > > The fact is that human beings tend to fear the unknown. Because they > are adapted to Windows they start to fear Linux thinking it will be > difficult or even impossible to learn. This fear eventually push them > away from the simple act of TESTING the new System. > > Like everything in our life. > > It's different with children. They have open minds and are always full > of curiosities trying to know and understand everything that is > available to them. They do not have the fear of "change". > > But if we have the chance to do the same test with people who also > have an open mind, we will see similar results. > > An example of this occurred in my girlfriend's house. 2 years ago I > installed linux on her home's desktop. This machine is used by her (21 > years), her sister (13 years) and her mother (62 years). > > Each of them has a different profile and use different applications > but all of them got adapted quickly and can realize all their needs > > After 13 months using Linux on her desktop my girlfriend bought a > laptop. The same came with Windows and she brought me asking to > install Linux on it. She had become accustomed to Linux and already > felt better than Windows. > > She even comments with her colleagues at university about how her > machine it no longer lives full of viruses. hehe > > cheers > > --- > - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib > - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master > - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 > - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro > - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org > - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org > - KDE Brasil Member > - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group > - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net > > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > >> Ran across the following story about a 5 year old girl attempting to >> do an Ubuntu Linux install. >> >> http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/88/the-un-scary-screwdriver >> >> As it turned out she couldn't do it on her own, at points she needed >> the help of her older brother, brother being 6 years old... >> >> From time to time I do introductory talks on Linux, and the above is a >> great story, question is do I tell adults that I am attempting to get >> them to the level of what two sub-7 year old children can do :-) ? >> >> >> Colin McGregor >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 15:50:20 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:50:20 -0500 Subject: What about Acanac?: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B216340.9040908-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <87hbrzn55r.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> <20091210195442.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B2158D2.4010800@moores.ca> <20091210205235.GD761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <7c50d3570912101251o3dc7ab0akde47f21b865e68ec@mail.gmail.com> <20091210205600.GF761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B216340.9040908@moores.ca> Message-ID: <4B226A3C.4080606@rogers.com> Darryl Moore wrote: > > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 03:51:06PM -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 15:52, Lennart Sorensen >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I want a phone line that works even during power failures. I do not >>>> want VoIP for my main phone. That means rogers's crappy phone system >>>> is totally not an option. Similar for many of the other phone system >>>> providers. >>>> >>>> >>> You do know that 'Rogers' crappy phone system' comes with a battery backup? >>> >> Yes. It lasts up to 5 hours. That's totally not good enough. It also >> uses rogers' cable network, which while generally quite reliable, isn't >> always reliable. >> >> > Wow, really? I can only remember one time in the last 20 years there was > a power failure that a 5 hour backup supply couldn't handle. You must > live deep in the boonies or something. > Well, there was that one in 2003. While I had my power back around 8:30 PM, there were many others that didn't get it back until the next day or later. If you're really worried, however, you can plug the terminal into a dedicated UPS for much longer backup. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 15:55:59 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:55:59 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B226B8F.1050004@rogers.com> Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 16:29, Matt Seburn wrote: > >> Mostly I'm saying I'm ignorant on the whole thing, and would like some >> advice :) Preliminary google searches indicate that such a beast >> might be in existence, but that could certainly be incorrect. >> >> So, it sounds like you're saying that my ISP choices are Rogers, and Rogers.. :( >> >> > Rogers isn't so bad, at least they don't traffic shape the hell out of > things like Bell does. > > > And they actually deliver promised bandwidth.Most of the time when I do a speed test, either on or off Rogers network, I get 98 - 99% of advertised speed. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 15:59:45 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:59:45 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B216BBE.9060603-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> <4B216BBE.9060603@moores.ca> Message-ID: <4B226C71.20109@rogers.com> Darryl Moore wrote: > > Michael Lauzon wrote: > >> Rogers isn't so bad, at least they don't traffic shape the hell out of >> things like Bell does. >> >> >> > Sadly true about the traffic shaping I'm afraid. > > On the other hand they are at least $10/month more than my current ISP; > do not offer static IP (If they did I'm sure it would cost more again); > While they don't offer static IP to residential customers, the host name is static, as it's based on hardware MAC addresses. You can always get some DNS service to create an alias that converts that long host name to something that's more usable. The assigned host name will not change, unless you change the modem or router/computer is directly connected to the modem. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 16:05:56 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:05:56 -0500 Subject: OT: Re:Linux Installs and Children... In-Reply-To: <4B225C7F.6080106-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <1089a0320912110612p308b79ddkaa705f7881d127b0@mail.gmail.com> <4B225C7F.6080106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B226DE4.6090104@alteeve.com> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > Marcelo, > > In Canada nobody is going to understand you. You are lost there. > > zb. Sometime I think to myselfl; "Is Zbigniew just starved for attention?". I can't think of any other reason why you would keep throwing out such antagonizing comments. I ignored your comment: "We are all getting under a new sort of fascism, in Canada too.", thinking that it wasn't worth making an issue out of it. But then today, again, you decide to attack Canada. This isn't a question of "political correctness", nor is it a question of being an "open mind". This is simply insulting behaviour, nothing more. When people called for you to be banned last time, I stood up for you and said that I didn't think you should go. I *hate* the idea of having *anyone* kicked off of a list simply because they have controversial ideas. This though, this isn't an idea, it's just being rude. Nothing more, nothing less. If you want to go off topic and debate the merits of Canadian society or policy, I think that is fine. Just stick an "OT:" in the subject and then take all the issue you want with whatever policy offends you. Otherwise, please stop with these childish insults and petty name calling. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 16:09:35 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:09:35 -0500 Subject: OT: Just Got The HP Compaq Mini 110c-1100CA From Rogers In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912101303p39b8036i85157b0d9e434c73-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912101128t7d3e5bf2q8a7ccee0a9f2f6d4@mail.gmail.com> <20091210205730.GG761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <7c50d3570912101303p39b8036i85157b0d9e434c73@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091211160935.GP761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:03:31PM -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: > That's if I can figure out how to get it on a netbook, or I may just > ask for some help in putting Linux on it after I play around with it > for a bit. A USB DVD drive works fine for netbooks. There are also tools that will transfer the install disk to a usb key and make it bootable. Works fine too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 16:12:40 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:12:40 -0500 Subject: OT: Just Got The HP Compaq Mini 110c-1100CA From Rogers In-Reply-To: <92ee967a0912101306g58d5bfc6ra5c658bb54368856-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912101128t7d3e5bf2q8a7ccee0a9f2f6d4@mail.gmail.com> <20091210205730.GG761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <92ee967a0912101306g58d5bfc6ra5c658bb54368856@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091211161240.GQ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:06:17PM -0500, Mike Kallies wrote: > Last I read too about the OEM licenses, Microsoft wants the license to > appear on the same receipt as at least the HDD, CPU and Motherboard. > That was some time back though. I have never heard that requirement. They simply required the dealers to sell it along with some piece of hardware (multiple pieces with vista/windows 7 I believe). They have changed to rules multiple times though. I have also been told in the case of vista by a dealer that as long as you buy the software within a week of the hardware they are fine with it. It does not have to come from a single purchase, it just has to be used only for a single final system. > The only annoying difference between XP Home and XP Pro for me is that > you cannot use RDP to connect to a remote XP Home box. Depending on > how you use your computer, this can be really annoying, although VNC > works in a pinch. The domain stuff is true too, but I don't use any > of that. Some software won't run on home either. Usually higher end stuff (solidworks, PLC software, etc). > Take an image of your recovery partition if you're going to try > anything. Else, you may blow your only copy of the OS. > > When I use commercial software, I play by the rules. It forces you to > more carefully consider the alternatives. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 16:15:13 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:15:13 -0500 Subject: OT: Just Got The HP Compaq Mini 110c-1100CA From Rogers In-Reply-To: <5390d2750912101317n3afc0aadl27358d1d4d316893-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912101128t7d3e5bf2q8a7ccee0a9f2f6d4@mail.gmail.com> <20091210205730.GG761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <5390d2750912101317n3afc0aadl27358d1d4d316893@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091211161513.GR761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:17:16PM -0500, Jon VanAlten wrote: > This depends. There are OEM disks that come from a manufacturer and > are usually a preinstalled OS image including annoyance software and > manufacturer customization; these and the license key associated with > the machine are unlikely to be ever transferred to a new machine. On > the other hand there are the OEM disks that are generally available > retail. Their intent is to be associated with the first computer they > are ever used on; there is a some sort of hash of model/serial numbers > of various bits of hardware in that machine that get sent to Microsoft > with your activation. However, calling Microsoft customer support and > explaining that you have "upgraded" that machine's parts (thus > changing the hardware hash), they are usually helpful with walking > through the "manual" activation process, in my experience. YMMV, of > course. Yeah they are somewhat flexible on it it seems. After all, motherboard dies and gets replaced doesn't mean it isn't still the same compuer with the same case, disk, power supply, etc. The manufacturer specific disks generally don't ask for a license key since they rely on a BIOS value instead to identify the machine as licensed to run that particular version of windows. Apparently some people use this to bypass windows activation by modifying their bios to pretend to be a different system and have the appropriate OEM value for the license in it. Sounds a bit risky though for your BIOS. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 16:17:26 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:17:26 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B21C177.3070606-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> <4B216BBE.9060603@moores.ca> <7c50d3570912101400k587e8c1bhd5813c6bf39b9a8d@mail.gmail.com> <4B2171F3.9090302@utoronto.ca> <7c50d3570912101524n66f01ecey40a3f5a94eb53fc@mail.gmail.com> <4B21A6BC.3090908@utoronto.ca> <7c50d3570912101944i351b37ebs861314317952d4cf@mail.gmail.com> <4B21C177.3070606@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20091211161726.GS761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:50:15PM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Michael Lauzon wrote: >> I still don't see where you're getting your math from, because if you >> go over the 175GB quota, it's 0.50/GB up to a total of $25.... > > That's the missing piece of information ($25 limit). Helpful thing to > have indeed. I suspect if you consistently use 1TB/month they might simply kick you off the network. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 16:18:56 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:18:56 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <4B226B8F.1050004-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> <4B226B8F.1050004@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20091211161856.GT761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:55:59AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > And they actually deliver promised bandwidth.Most of the time when I do > a speed test, either on or off Rogers network, I get 98 - 99% of > advertised speed. Yeah that is probably the main reason I still use rogers. 10Mbps is really nice and consistent. I only got the cablemodem because ADSL wasn't available when I moved in 5 years ago (it was coming soon, which apparently to Bell ment 3 years). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 16:16:31 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:16:31 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <20091211161726.GS761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> <4B216BBE.9060603@moores.ca> <7c50d3570912101400k587e8c1bhd5813c6bf39b9a8d@mail.gmail.com> <4B2171F3.9090302@utoronto.ca> <7c50d3570912101524n66f01ecey40a3f5a94eb53fc@mail.gmail.com> <4B21A6BC.3090908@utoronto.ca> <7c50d3570912101944i351b37ebs861314317952d4cf@mail.gmail.com> <4B21C177.3070606@utoronto.ca> <20091211161726.GS761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912110816n3a299b54jfb2120e64c9f5a13@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:17, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > I suspect if you consistently use 1TB/month they might simply kick you > off the network. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- Well, I wouldn't know about that, I have gone over my quota before when I was on High Speed Extreme Plus a few times, but that was before the summer. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 16:18:54 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:18:54 -0500 Subject: more ISP advice: wasTeksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912101524n66f01ecey40a3f5a94eb53fc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <8e023ee60912101319p41fdb9c5w8cd4a7e1a5580a28@mail.gmail.com> <4B21672F.6060902@moores.ca> <8e023ee60912101329i30b5f3cdm790ed1b5a93c66bf@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912101333j5182bdbla6964c3ef03c2757@mail.gmail.com> <4B216BBE.9060603@moores.ca> <7c50d3570912101400k587e8c1bhd5813c6bf39b9a8d@mail.gmail.com> <4B2171F3.9090302@utoronto.ca> <7c50d3570912101524n66f01ecey40a3f5a94eb53fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2270EE.6030903@rogers.com> Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 17:10, Jamon Camisso wrote: > >> Incredible, 50Mbps sustained throughput would be about 9-10 hours of >> constant traffic, or ~130TB/month. That's 3 orders of magnitude more >> capacity than what you get. >> >> If you went over your 175GB at that rate, your bill would be ~$66,500. >> >> Buy a dedicated server for a hundred bucks a month instead.. >> >> Jamon >> > I don't know where you're getting your math from.... > > > He probably uses Excel. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 16:21:43 2009 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:21:43 -0300 Subject: OT: Re:Linux Installs and Children... In-Reply-To: <4B226DE4.6090104-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1089a0320912110612p308b79ddkaa705f7881d127b0@mail.gmail.com> <4B225C7F.6080106@gmail.com> <4B226DE4.6090104@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1089a0320912110821s3cb945e1w4b626e5ce1800c1@mail.gmail.com> o.O Madi already used my 2 cents.. --- - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org - KDE Brasil Member - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >> >> Marcelo, >> >> In Canada nobody is going to understand you. You are lost there. >> >> zb. > > Sometime I think to myselfl; "Is Zbigniew just starved for attention?". I > can't think of any other reason why you would keep throwing out such > antagonizing comments. > > I ignored your comment: "We are all getting under a new sort of fascism, in > Canada too.", thinking that it wasn't worth making an issue out of it. But > then today, again, you decide to attack Canada. This isn't a question of > "political correctness", nor is it a question of being an "open mind". This > is simply insulting behaviour, nothing more. > > When people called for you to be banned last time, I stood up for you and > said that I didn't think you should go. I *hate* the idea of having *anyone* > kicked off of a list simply because they have controversial ideas. This > though, this isn't an idea, it's just being rude. Nothing more, nothing > less. > > If you want to go off topic and debate the merits of Canadian society or > policy, I think that is fine. Just stick an "OT:" in the subject and then > take all the issue you want with whatever policy offends you. Otherwise, > please stop with these childish insults and petty name calling. > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 16:21:02 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:21:02 +0300 Subject: OT: Re:Linux Installs and Children... In-Reply-To: <4B226DE4.6090104-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1089a0320912110612p308b79ddkaa705f7881d127b0@mail.gmail.com> <4B225C7F.6080106@gmail.com> <4B226DE4.6090104@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B22716E.6050100@gmail.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > > Sometime I think to myselfl; "Is Zbigniew just starved for > attention?". I can't think of any other reason why you would keep > throwing out such antagonizing comments. There is something strange in my soul. Nobody indeed understood me in my life. I had to to go school uphill. Actually, I had 4 km and to make it shorter I used to not by street but through meadows and jump through the river. It is indeed strange. I remember that when I was 7 I read a book for kids about physics. It was a translation from Czech language. I can not remember the name of the author though I would recognize the book right away if it was in my hands. Since than, since reading that book, I become strange and all my life now is about physics. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 16:43:17 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:43:17 -0500 Subject: Rogers battery backup (Was: Re: What about Acanac?: was : Teksavvy ISP) In-Reply-To: <20091211124549.GB1909@localhost> References: <20091209232539.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87skbj5o1k.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <4B210AF9.10603@utoronto.ca> <4B212EFB.4050804@moores.ca> <4B21380E.9030205@moores.ca> <20091210195442.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B2158D2.4010800@moores.ca> <20091210205235.GD761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <7c50d3570912101251o3dc7ab0akde47f21b865e68ec@mail.gmail.com> <20091210205600.GF761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091211124549.GB1909@localhost> Message-ID: <4B2276A5.7020200@rogers.com> Scott Allen wrote: > On Thu Dec 10,2009 03:56:00 PM Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 03:51:06PM -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: >>> You do know that 'Rogers' crappy phone system' comes with a >>> battery backup? >> >> Yes. It lasts up to 5 hours. That's totally not good enough. > > Even if 5 hours is actually good enough for some, my concern would be: > > Is there anything in the system to monitor, maintain and test the > batteries in the customers' boxes? Is there any guarantee that the > battery hasn't lost capacity or died over the time since a box was > installed? I can envision many Rogers customers getting only a few > minutes or less of phone use during the next lengthy power failure. > > Although Bell may also use battery backup, at least it's centralised > and maintained. Being centralised, the batteries could easily be > supplemented with generators. > > A customer could plug the Rogers box into a UPS in case the internal > battery fails, but is "Joe six pack" going to consider it? Plus, the > UPS battery would now have to be maintained. "Hey, we could put > another UPS in front of that UPS!" ... ;-) > What you do then is put a diesel or turbine standby generator down in the basement. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 16:43:45 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:43:45 -0500 Subject: OT: Re:Linux Installs and Children... In-Reply-To: <4B22716E.6050100-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <1089a0320912110612p308b79ddkaa705f7881d127b0@mail.gmail.com> <4B225C7F.6080106@gmail.com> <4B226DE4.6090104@alteeve.com> <4B22716E.6050100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2276C1.9070003@alteeve.com> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: >> >> Sometime I think to myselfl; "Is Zbigniew just starved for >> attention?". I can't think of any other reason why you would keep >> throwing out such antagonizing comments. > > There is something strange in my soul. Nobody indeed understood me in my > life. I had to to go school uphill. Actually, I had 4 km and to make it > shorter I used to not by street but through meadows and jump through the > river. It is indeed strange. I remember that when I was 7 I read a book > for kids about physics. It was a translation from Czech language. I can > not remember the name of the author though I would recognize the book > right away if it was in my hands. Since than, since reading that book, I > become strange and all my life now is about physics. > > zb. There is an expression: "The statue of limitations has expired on your childhood traumas." Many of us have had very difficult childhoods, and many still have very difficult and odd lives. It's no excuse for being rude. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 16:45:00 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:45:00 +0300 Subject: OT: Re:Linux Installs and Children... In-Reply-To: <4B2276C1.9070003-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1089a0320912110612p308b79ddkaa705f7881d127b0@mail.gmail.com> <4B225C7F.6080106@gmail.com> <4B226DE4.6090104@alteeve.com> <4B22716E.6050100@gmail.com> <4B2276C1.9070003@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B22770C.4030108@gmail.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >> Madison Kelly wrote: >>> >>> Sometime I think to myselfl; "Is Zbigniew just starved for >>> attention?". I can't think of any other reason why you would keep >>> throwing out such antagonizing comments. >> >> There is something strange in my soul. Nobody indeed understood me in >> my life. I had to to go school uphill. Actually, I had 4 km and to >> make it shorter I used to not by street but through meadows and jump >> through the river. It is indeed strange. I remember that when I was 7 >> I read a book for kids about physics. It was a translation from Czech >> language. I can not remember the name of the author though I would >> recognize the book right away if it was in my hands. Since than, >> since reading that book, I become strange and all my life now is >> about physics. >> >> zb. > > There is an expression: > > "The statue of limitations has expired on your childhood traumas." > > Many of us have had very difficult childhoods, and many still have > very difficult and odd lives. It's no excuse for being rude. To be rude is not an exxxcuse. To be stupid.. Wellll... I went out of that. zb, > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From pete-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 17:23:25 2009 From: pete-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Pete Lancashire) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:23:25 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [PLUG] FSF "Respects Your Freedom" hardware endorsements.] Message-ID: <33c434cd4d2afc01bb03bf8c3779c01d.squirrel@petelancashire.com> May be of interest ... ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [PLUG] FSF "Respects Your Freedom" hardware endorsements. Date: Thu, December 10, 2009 7:29 pm To: "General Linux/UNIX discussion and help, civil and on-topic" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Scott Garman wrote: > I just received news from the Free Software Foundation that they are > starting a hardware endorsement program to label devices that are fully > compatible with free software. Vendors who choose to participate in the > program will end up with a stamp on the packaging with the "Respects > Your Freedom" slogan. > > The first product to get this endorsement is reportedly a netbook - I'm > not sure of the manufacturer. Maybe it's "The Loongson-2 MIPS Lemote Yeeloong Netbook", from Lemote Corp, Changshu, Jiangsu, China, http://www.osnews.com/story/21530 http://www.lemote.com/english/index.html http://www.lemote.com/english/about.html Richard Stallman had highly praised Lemote Yeeloong as the first netbook/computer that ran totally free software, from the BIOS (PMON), to the OS (GNU/Linux), -- Cheng Renquan (??????? ?), from Singapore -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 17:32:58 2009 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:32:58 -0500 Subject: [Linux Education]: Linux Installs and Children... In-Reply-To: <1260546314.11645.323.camel-Cc8bTzyuDCFg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <1260546314.11645.323.camel@bliss.ss.org> Message-ID: On 12/11/09, Maureen E.Thornton wrote: > The last thing we would want to do is to intimidate people! That even > intimidates me!!!! > Maureen Okay, so tread softly on the stuff with 5 and 6 year old children, but I will be happy to let folks know that this stuff is "Easy baceasy!" :-) . Colin. > On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:53 -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: >> Ran across the following story about a 5 year old girl attempting to >> do an Ubuntu Linux install. >> >> http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/88/the-un-scary-screwdriver >> >> As it turned out she couldn't do it on her own, at points she needed >> the help of her older brother, brother being 6 years old... >> >> From time to time I do introductory talks on Linux, and the above is a >> great story, question is do I tell adults that I am attempting to get >> them to the level of what two sub-7 year old children can do :-) ? >> >> >> Colin McGregor >> -- >> The Linux Education mailing list >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > My Genie > Call 416.466,6149 > Cell 416.564.6920 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 17:54:51 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:54:51 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [PLUG] FSF "Respects Your Freedom" hardware endorsements.] In-Reply-To: <33c434cd4d2afc01bb03bf8c3779c01d.squirrel-6NP59FE1ho9MFQD/ygXjfdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <33c434cd4d2afc01bb03bf8c3779c01d.squirrel@petelancashire.com> Message-ID: <20091211175451.GU761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 09:23:25AM -0800, Pete Lancashire wrote: > May be of interest ... > > ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- > Subject: Re: [PLUG] FSF "Respects Your Freedom" hardware endorsements. > Date: Thu, December 10, 2009 7:29 pm > To: "General Linux/UNIX discussion and help, civil and on-topic" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Scott Garman wrote: > > I just received news from the Free Software Foundation that they are > > starting a hardware endorsement program to label devices that are fully > > compatible with free software. Vendors who choose to participate in the > > program will end up with a stamp on the packaging with the "Respects > > Your Freedom" slogan. > > > > The first product to get this endorsement is reportedly a netbook - I'm > > not sure of the manufacturer. > > Maybe it's "The Loongson-2 MIPS Lemote Yeeloong Netbook", from Lemote > Corp, Changshu, Jiangsu, China, > > http://www.osnews.com/story/21530 > http://www.lemote.com/english/index.html > http://www.lemote.com/english/about.html > > Richard Stallman had highly praised Lemote Yeeloong as the first > netbook/computer that ran totally > free software, from the BIOS (PMON), to the OS (GNU/Linux), I am very much looking forward to the Loongson-3 CPU. That will be something to play with. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 18:14:55 2009 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:14:55 -0500 Subject: Linux Installs and Children... In-Reply-To: <1089a0320912110612p308b79ddkaa705f7881d127b0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1089a0320912110612p308b79ddkaa705f7881d127b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/11/09, Marcelo Cavalcante wrote: > Haha... > > Interesting story. > > The fact is that human beings tend to fear the unknown. Because they > are adapted to Windows they start to fear Linux thinking it will be > difficult or even impossible to learn. This fear eventually push them > away from the simple act of TESTING the new System. Unfortunately true. a pain faced not only by those of us in the Linux world, but also the Mac and the other alternate OSs (such as the *BSD folks)... > Like everything in our life. > > It's different with children. They have open minds and are always full > of curiosities trying to know and understand everything that is > available to them. They do not have the fear of "change". Yes, ... Children just don't KNOW that "this is stuff is HARD!", thus it is easy enough for them :-) . > But if we have the chance to do the same test with people who also > have an open mind, we will see similar results. > > An example of this occurred in my girlfriend's house. 2 years ago I > installed linux on her home's desktop. This machine is used by her (21 > years), her sister (13 years) and her mother (62 years). > > Each of them has a different profile and use different applications > but all of them got adapted quickly and can realize all their needs > > After 13 months using Linux on her desktop my girlfriend bought a > laptop. The same came with Windows and she brought me asking to > install Linux on it. She had become accustomed to Linux and already > felt better than Windows. > > She even comments with her colleagues at university about how her > machine it no longer lives full of viruses. hehe Yes, I've been asked what sort of anti-virus software I use. My answer is that I don't use ant-virus software, I haven't used anti-virus for years and since giving up on MS Windows I haven't had ANY problems with viruses :-) . When people wonder about the pain of moving to Linux, I point out that it is a one-time pain, as opposed to the ongoing pains of virus software / other security flaws, and Microsoft prices / upgrade fees. I was willing to take my pain up front, and haven't looked back... I first seriously looked at Linux back in 1993, when it was seriously considered for use as the OS to drive the Toronto Free-Net. Mind you for various reasons, including the long term loan of some hardware by Sun Microsystems, Solaris was the first production OS for the Toronto Free-Net... There are times when Linux isn't quite the right answer, fortunately those cases are becoming fewer and fewer over time :-) . Colin. > cheers > > --- > - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib > - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master > - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 > - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro > - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org > - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org > - KDE Brasil Member > - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group > - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net > > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Colin McGregor > wrote: >> Ran across the following story about a 5 year old girl attempting to >> do an Ubuntu Linux install. >> >> http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/88/the-un-scary-screwdriver >> >> As it turned out she couldn't do it on her own, at points she needed >> the help of her older brother, brother being 6 years old... >> >> From time to time I do introductory talks on Linux, and the above is a >> great story, question is do I tell adults that I am attempting to get >> them to the level of what two sub-7 year old children can do :-) ? >> >> >> Colin McGregor >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 18:22:00 2009 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:22:00 -0500 Subject: [Linux Education]: Linux Installs and Children... In-Reply-To: References: <1260546314.11645.323.camel@bliss.ss.org> Message-ID: <1260555720.2761.1399.camel@gont> On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 12:32 -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > On 12/11/09, Maureen E.Thornton wrote: > > The last thing we would want to do is to intimidate people! That even > > intimidates me!!!! > > Maureen > > Okay, so tread softly on the stuff with 5 and 6 year old children, but > I will be happy to let folks know that this stuff is "Easy baceasy!" > :-) . > > Colin. I'd sort of disagree with Maureen about this. The point of this story is, that when you give people the tools to do stuff, they can often work it out -- though of course sometimes they have to break stuff before they can fix it. (in German there's a special word for that -- verschlimmbessern -- which means, to break something by trying to fix it. I, uh, have occasion to use that word a lot). The lesson isn't so much that it's "easy" for some prodigies to build linux boxes, as that there is something liberating about taking control of your own technologies. Hacking as a form of freedom. Anyway that's what I think. m > > > On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:53 -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > >> Ran across the following story about a 5 year old girl attempting to > >> do an Ubuntu Linux install. > >> > >> http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/88/the-un-scary-screwdriver > >> > >> As it turned out she couldn't do it on her own, at points she needed > >> the help of her older brother, brother being 6 years old... > >> > >> From time to time I do introductory talks on Linux, and the above is a > >> great story, question is do I tell adults that I am attempting to get > >> them to the level of what two sub-7 year old children can do :-) ? > >> > >> > >> Colin McGregor -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From maureen-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 18:38:04 2009 From: maureen-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Maureen E.Thornton) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:38:04 -0500 Subject: [Linux Education]: Linux Installs and Children... In-Reply-To: <1260555720.2761.1399.camel@gont> References: <1260546314.11645.323.camel@bliss.ss.org> <1260555720.2761.1399.camel@gont> Message-ID: <1260556684.11645.336.camel@bliss.ss.org> That's fine for those who are technically inclined but what happens if screw driver terrifies you? Maureen On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 13:22 -0500, Matt Price wrote: > On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 12:32 -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > > On 12/11/09, Maureen E.Thornton wrote: > > > The last thing we would want to do is to intimidate people! That even > > > intimidates me!!!! > > > Maureen > > > > Okay, so tread softly on the stuff with 5 and 6 year old children, but > > I will be happy to let folks know that this stuff is "Easy baceasy!" > > :-) . > > > > Colin. > > I'd sort of disagree with Maureen about this. The point of this story > is, that when you give people the tools to do stuff, they can often work > it out -- though of course sometimes they have to break stuff before > they can fix it. (in German there's a special word for that -- > verschlimmbessern -- which means, to break something by trying to fix > it. I, uh, have occasion to use that word a lot). > > The lesson isn't so much that it's "easy" for some prodigies to build > linux boxes, as that there is something liberating about taking control > of your own technologies. Hacking as a form of freedom. > > Anyway that's what I think. > > m > > > > > > On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:53 -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > > >> Ran across the following story about a 5 year old girl attempting to > > >> do an Ubuntu Linux install. > > >> > > >> http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/88/the-un-scary-screwdriver > > >> > > >> As it turned out she couldn't do it on her own, at points she needed > > >> the help of her older brother, brother being 6 years old... > > >> > > >> From time to time I do introductory talks on Linux, and the above is a > > >> great story, question is do I tell adults that I am attempting to get > > >> them to the level of what two sub-7 year old children can do :-) ? > > >> > > >> > > >> Colin McGregor -- My Genie Call 416.466,6149 Cell 416.564.6920 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 18:39:20 2009 From: matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Matt Middleton) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:39:20 -0500 Subject: Teksavvy ISP In-Reply-To: References: <87my1sjdwp.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <20091211133920.nfqxkdlnkkkswko8@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> I'd like to follow up on my earlier email - from a customer service standpoint, my opinion has been swayed back to the positive. They did make a mistake, but when it was brought to their attention, they rectified it as quickly as possible, and to my satisfaction. The fact that they owned up to it and didn't give me the runaround means they get my full backing again. Quoting Matthew Middleton : > Until last week, I'd have been singing their praises, but I've recently had > a very poor experience with their customer service. The gist of it was, > they completely screwed up when I ordered a new modem, which has left me > with no internet access from home for a week and a half. While my original > modem's failure wasn't their fault, the order SNAFU was. > > If you go with them, make sure that you triple-confirm all of your > information, especially how you want to be billed, and your shipping address > for the modem. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Slack Rat > Sent: December 9, 2009 11:44 AM > To: TLUG > Subject: [TLUG]: Teksavvy ISP > > Does anyone have any comments on teksavvy as an ISP? > > Good, bad, indifferent? > > -- > Slackrat > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.85/2532 - Release Date: 11/28/09 > 07:45:00 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 18:40:26 2009 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:40:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Linux Education]: Linux Installs and Children... In-Reply-To: <1260556684.11645.336.camel-Cc8bTzyuDCFg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <1260546314.11645.323.camel@bliss.ss.org> <1260555720.2761.1399.camel@gont> <1260556684.11645.336.camel@bliss.ss.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Maureen E.Thornton wrote: > That's fine for those who are technically inclined but what happens if > screw driver terrifies you? As it should if you're not using a Robertson screwdriver. > On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 13:22 -0500, Matt Price wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 12:32 -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > > > On 12/11/09, Maureen E.Thornton wrote: > > > > The last thing we would want to do is to intimidate people! That even > > > > intimidates me!!!! > > > > Maureen > > > > > > Okay, so tread softly on the stuff with 5 and 6 year old children, but > > > I will be happy to let folks know that this stuff is "Easy baceasy!" > > > :-) . > > > > > > Colin. > > > > I'd sort of disagree with Maureen about this. The point of this story > > is, that when you give people the tools to do stuff, they can often work > > it out -- though of course sometimes they have to break stuff before > > they can fix it. (in German there's a special word for that -- > > verschlimmbessern -- which means, to break something by trying to fix > > it. I, uh, have occasion to use that word a lot). > > > > The lesson isn't so much that it's "easy" for some prodigies to build > > linux boxes, as that there is something liberating about taking control > > of your own technologies. Hacking as a form of freedom. > > > > Anyway that's what I think. > > > > m > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:53 -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > > > >> Ran across the following story about a 5 year old girl attempting to > > > >> do an Ubuntu Linux install. > > > >> > > > >> http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/88/the-un-scary-screwdriver > > > >> > > > >> As it turned out she couldn't do it on her own, at points she needed > > > >> the help of her older brother, brother being 6 years old... > > > >> > > > >> From time to time I do introductory talks on Linux, and the above is a > > > >> great story, question is do I tell adults that I am attempting to get > > > >> them to the level of what two sub-7 year old children can do :-) ? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Colin McGregor > -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maureen-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 18:52:18 2009 From: maureen-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Maureen E.Thornton) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:52:18 -0500 Subject: [Linux Education]: Linux Installs and Children... In-Reply-To: References: <1260546314.11645.323.camel@bliss.ss.org> <1260555720.2761.1399.camel@gont> <1260556684.11645.336.camel@bliss.ss.org> Message-ID: <1260557538.11645.338.camel@bliss.ss.org> There's more than one type! On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 13:40 -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Maureen E.Thornton wrote: > > > That's fine for those who are technically inclined but what happens if > > screw driver terrifies you? > > As it should if you're not using a Robertson screwdriver. > > > > On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 13:22 -0500, Matt Price wrote: > > > On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 12:32 -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > > > > On 12/11/09, Maureen E.Thornton wrote: > > > > > The last thing we would want to do is to intimidate people! That even > > > > > intimidates me!!!! > > > > > Maureen > > > > > > > > Okay, so tread softly on the stuff with 5 and 6 year old children, but > > > > I will be happy to let folks know that this stuff is "Easy baceasy!" > > > > :-) . > > > > > > > > Colin. > > > > > > I'd sort of disagree with Maureen about this. The point of this story > > > is, that when you give people the tools to do stuff, they can often work > > > it out -- though of course sometimes they have to break stuff before > > > they can fix it. (in German there's a special word for that -- > > > verschlimmbessern -- which means, to break something by trying to fix > > > it. I, uh, have occasion to use that word a lot). > > > > > > The lesson isn't so much that it's "easy" for some prodigies to build > > > linux boxes, as that there is something liberating about taking control > > > of your own technologies. Hacking as a form of freedom. > > > > > > Anyway that's what I think. > > > > > > m > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:53 -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > > > > >> Ran across the following story about a 5 year old girl attempting to > > > > >> do an Ubuntu Linux install. > > > > >> > > > > >> http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/88/the-un-scary-screwdriver > > > > >> > > > > >> As it turned out she couldn't do it on her own, at points she needed > > > > >> the help of her older brother, brother being 6 years old... > > > > >> > > > > >> From time to time I do introductory talks on Linux, and the above is a > > > > >> great story, question is do I tell adults that I am attempting to get > > > > >> them to the level of what two sub-7 year old children can do :-) ? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Colin McGregor > > > -- My Genie Call 416.466,6149 Cell 416.564.6920 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 18:55:15 2009 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:55:15 -0500 Subject: Don't be that guy [was: Re: OT: Re:Linux Installs and Children...] Message-ID: Just don't be that guy. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: >> >> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >>> >>> Madison Kelly wrote: >>>> >>>> Sometime I think to myselfl; "Is Zbigniew just starved for attention?". >>>> I can't think of any other reason why you would keep throwing out such >>>> antagonizing comments. >>> >>> There is something strange in my soul. Nobody indeed understood me in my >>> life. I had to to go school uphill. Actually, I had 4 km and to make it >>> shorter I used to not by street but through meadows and jump through the >>> river. It is indeed strange. I remember that when I was 7 I read a book for >>> kids about physics. It was a translation from Czech language. I can not >>> remember the name of the author though I would recognize the book right away >>> if it was in my hands. Since than, since reading that book, I become strange >>> and all my life now is about physics. >>> >>> zb. >> >> There is an expression: >> >> "The statue of limitations has expired on your childhood traumas." >> >> Many of us have had very difficult childhoods, and many still have very >> difficult and odd lives. It's no excuse for being rude. > > To be rude is not an exxxcuse. To be stupid.. Wellll... I went out of that. > > zb, > >> >> Madi >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Myles Braithwaite me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org http://mylesbraithwaite.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 19:09:11 2009 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:09:11 -0500 Subject: [Linux Education]: Linux Installs and Children... In-Reply-To: <1260556684.11645.336.camel-Cc8bTzyuDCFg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <1260546314.11645.323.camel@bliss.ss.org> <1260555720.2761.1399.camel@gont> <1260556684.11645.336.camel@bliss.ss.org> Message-ID: <1260558551.2761.1590.camel@gont> On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 13:38 -0500, Maureen E.Thornton wrote: > That's fine for those who are technically inclined but what happens if > screw driver terrifies you? > Maureen i think sometimes it's worth facing up to your fears? because that makes the world a bigger and more interesting place. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Serves 1. Enjoy :-) . Back to topic, this stuff is not all that hard to learn. Mind you for a lot of people they just don't care... Colin. > On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 13:40 -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: >> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Maureen E.Thornton wrote: >> >> > That's fine for those who are technically inclined but what happens if >> > screw driver terrifies you? >> >> As it should if you're not using a Robertson screwdriver. >> >> >> > On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 13:22 -0500, Matt Price wrote: >> > > On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 12:32 -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: >> > > > On 12/11/09, Maureen E.Thornton wrote: >> > > > > The last thing we would want to do is to intimidate people! That >> > > > > even >> > > > > intimidates me!!!! >> > > > > Maureen >> > > > >> > > > Okay, so tread softly on the stuff with 5 and 6 year old children, >> > > > but >> > > > I will be happy to let folks know that this stuff is "Easy baceasy!" >> > > > :-) . >> > > > >> > > > Colin. >> > > >> > > I'd sort of disagree with Maureen about this. The point of this story >> > > is, that when you give people the tools to do stuff, they can often >> > > work >> > > it out -- though of course sometimes they have to break stuff before >> > > they can fix it. (in German there's a special word for that -- >> > > verschlimmbessern -- which means, to break something by trying to fix >> > > it. I, uh, have occasion to use that word a lot). >> > > >> > > The lesson isn't so much that it's "easy" for some prodigies to build >> > > linux boxes, as that there is something liberating about taking >> > > control >> > > of your own technologies. Hacking as a form of freedom. >> > > >> > > Anyway that's what I think. >> > > >> > > m >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:53 -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: >> > > > >> Ran across the following story about a 5 year old girl attempting >> > > > >> to >> > > > >> do an Ubuntu Linux install. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/88/the-un-scary-screwdriver >> > > > >> >> > > > >> As it turned out she couldn't do it on her own, at points she >> > > > >> needed >> > > > >> the help of her older brother, brother being 6 years old... >> > > > >> >> > > > >> From time to time I do introductory talks on Linux, and the above >> > > > >> is a >> > > > >> great story, question is do I tell adults that I am attempting to >> > > > >> get >> > > > >> them to the level of what two sub-7 year old children can do :-) >> > > > >> ? >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Colin McGregor >> > >> > -- > My Genie > Call 416.466,6149 > Cell 416.564.6920 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maureen-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 20:25:30 2009 From: maureen-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Maureen E.Thornton) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:25:30 -0500 Subject: [Linux Education]: Linux Installs and Children... In-Reply-To: <1260558551.2761.1590.camel@gont> References: <1260546314.11645.323.camel@bliss.ss.org> <1260555720.2761.1399.camel@gont> <1260556684.11645.336.camel@bliss.ss.org> <1260558551.2761.1590.camel@gont> Message-ID: <1260563130.11645.355.camel@bliss.ss.org> Your answer shows me why we need techies in our lives and why most people say oh "He's a techie" and discount many of them! Remember, not all people are alike - it takes all types to make a world and I have to deal with those that need to be hand fed and gently cared for in order to get the best performance out of them. The closest they get to anything technical is the lighting designer saying "for God's sake can't you find your light on stage?" Fears they do not have! Maureen On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 14:09 -0500, Matt Price wrote: > On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 13:38 -0500, Maureen E.Thornton wrote: > > That's fine for those who are technically inclined but what happens if > > screw driver terrifies you? > > Maureen > i think sometimes it's worth facing up to your fears? because that > makes the world a bigger and more interesting place. > > -- My Genie Call 416.466,6149 Cell 416.564.6920 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 21:29:59 2009 From: plpeter2006-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: the CIRA member record companies in the hot seat for ... copyright infringement Message-ID: Were these not the people who were suing under age children and grannies for downloading music ? http://www.thestar.com/business/article /735096--geist-record-industry-faces-liability-over-infringement ^^paste url on 1 line This is not hypocrisy, it deserves a special new word to describe it. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 23:33:08 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:33:08 -0500 Subject: the CIRA member record companies in the hot seat for ... copyright infringement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c50d3570912111533t4100605bxb88bc51340885e2f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 16:29, Peter wrote: > Were these not the people who were suing under age children and grannies for > downloading music ? > > http://www.thestar.com/business/article > /735096--geist-record-industry-faces-liability-over-infringement > > ^^paste url on 1 line > > This is not hypocrisy, it deserves a special new word to describe it. > > ?Peter > No, you're thinking of the RIAA, the CRIA hasn't sunk that low to start suing Canadians yet, plus it tends to be harder to bring a lawsuit to court in Canada. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinpdavidson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 11 23:41:24 2009 From: colinpdavidson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (colin davidson) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:41:24 -0500 Subject: the CIRA member record companies in the hot seat for ... copyright infringement In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912111533t4100605bxb88bc51340885e2f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912111533t4100605bxb88bc51340885e2f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, it is just a coincidence that the targets of this lawsuit are Canadian subsidiaries of the major members of the RIAA. And I have some development land for sale just south of New Orleans... On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 16:29, Peter wrote: >> Were these not the people who were suing under age children and grannies for >> downloading music ? >> >> http://www.thestar.com/business/article >> /735096--geist-record-industry-faces-liability-over-infringement >> >> ^^paste url on 1 line >> >> This is not hypocrisy, it deserves a special new word to describe it. >> >> ?Peter >> > > No, you're thinking of the RIAA, the CRIA hasn't sunk that low to > start suing Canadians yet, plus it tends to be harder to bring a > lawsuit to court in Canada. > > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 12 00:48:28 2009 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:48:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Swap space Message-ID: <637ac7597c8e2451e04bb8b4be167ffc.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Hello everyone, I know the conventional wisdom with respect to swap space has always been to double your memory but I am about to build a system with 4 GB of memory. Do I really need an 8 GB swap space? Thanks -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 12 00:54:43 2009 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:54:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Swap space In-Reply-To: <637ac7597c8e2451e04bb8b4be167ffc.squirrel-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg@public.gmane.org> References: <637ac7597c8e2451e04bb8b4be167ffc.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Jason Carson wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I know the conventional wisdom with respect to swap space has always been > to double your memory but I am about to build a system with 4 GB of > memory. Do I really need an 8 GB swap space? No. I have 2GB RAM with ~1GB swap. With all the apps I regularly use open, I've never seen more than 65MB swap used. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 12 00:59:06 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:59:06 -0500 Subject: the CIRA member record companies in the hot seat for ... copyright infringement In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912111533t4100605bxb88bc51340885e2f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912111533t4100605bxb88bc51340885e2f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B22EADA.3060803@alteeve.com> Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 16:29, Peter wrote: >> Were these not the people who were suing under age children and grannies for >> downloading music ? >> >> http://www.thestar.com/business/article >> /735096--geist-record-industry-faces-liability-over-infringement >> >> ^^paste url on 1 line >> >> This is not hypocrisy, it deserves a special new word to describe it. >> >> Peter >> > > No, you're thinking of the RIAA, the CRIA hasn't sunk that low to > start suing Canadians yet, plus it tends to be harder to bring a > lawsuit to court in Canada. They have, they just didn't succeed. When I got a C&D from them, I started doing research. Found that they had sued for the ID of suspected file sharers, and the courts said they evidence was too weak to justify the invasion or privacy. It's the gov't (odd, I know) that is keeping CRIA in check, definitely not their inner morals. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lmlane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 12 01:01:35 2009 From: lmlane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mark Lane) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:01:35 -0500 Subject: Swap space In-Reply-To: References: <637ac7597c8e2451e04bb8b4be167ffc.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Jason Carson wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I know the conventional wisdom with respect to swap space has always been > > to double your memory but I am about to build a system with 4 GB of > > memory. Do I really need an 8 GB swap space? > > No. I have 2GB RAM with ~1GB swap. > > With all the apps I regularly use open, I've never seen more than > 65MB swap used. > > That depends if you plan to use suspend to RAM, you need at least as much swap as system memory. General rule of thumb is you want to have more than enough because your system will crash if you run out of memory. -- Mark Lane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Johnson, webmaster ? ? ? ? > ? =================================================================== > ? Author: > ? Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) > ? Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 12 01:44:58 2009 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:44:58 -0200 Subject: Swap space In-Reply-To: <637ac7597c8e2451e04bb8b4be167ffc.squirrel-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg@public.gmane.org> References: <637ac7597c8e2451e04bb8b4be167ffc.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 22:48, Jason Carson wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I know the conventional wisdom with respect to swap space has always been > to double your memory but I am about to build a system with 4 GB of > memory. Do I really need an 8 GB swap space? You won't need more than 2GB of swap, in general. But read this: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-swap-space.html -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 12 04:31:37 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:31:37 -0500 Subject: Swap space In-Reply-To: <637ac7597c8e2451e04bb8b4be167ffc.squirrel-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg@public.gmane.org> References: <637ac7597c8e2451e04bb8b4be167ffc.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Jason Carson wrote: > I know the conventional wisdom with respect to swap space has always been > to double your memory but I am about to build a system with 4 GB of > memory. Do I really need an 8 GB swap space? Almost certainly not. The "2x memory" rule applied to certain versions of BSD derived from BSD 4.3, such as Ultrix, where the way they handled virtual memory required that there be 2x as much swap space as physical memory in order to be able to have virtual memory covering all of the physical memory. It may have applied to some versions of SunOS, too. There was a brief time where Linux had a bug that made it require you to have 1x RAM as swap space, but that was quite a serious bug, fixed a very long time ago. "Conventional wisdom" isn't valid. Here's a pretty good policy for defining amount of swap: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/swap-allocation.html -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Jonathan Swift - "May you live every day of your life." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/jonathan_swift.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 12 04:39:41 2009 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:39:41 -0500 Subject: map/diagram of relationships within a wiki? Message-ID: <1260592781.2761.3920.camel@gont> hey folks, does anyone know a tool for making a map or some kind of visualization of the links between pages in, say, a wiki? I;m just doing a fun little project that's all about the relationships between the various people, places, and other entities on wiki pages. I'd like to generate a map -- a bit like a mindmap, i guess -- of those relationships somehomw, either organically just by looking at links, or some other way, maybe using metadata of some kind. Any suggestions? thanks, m -- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 12 05:14:56 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:14:56 -0500 Subject: map/diagram of relationships within a wiki? In-Reply-To: <1260592781.2761.3920.camel@gont> References: <1260592781.2761.3920.camel@gont> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Matt Price wrote: > hey folks, > > does anyone know a tool for making a map or some kind of visualization > of the links between pages in, say, a wiki? ?I;m just doing a fun little > project that's all about the relationships between the various people, > places, and other entities on wiki pages. ?I'd like to generate a map -- > a bit like a mindmap, i guess -- of those relationships somehomw, either > organically just by looking at links, or some other way, maybe using > metadata of some kind. ?Any suggestions? ikiwiki includes tooling for generating such using GraphViz. I'd suggest looking at GraphViz... It's very good for generating that sort of diagram. http://graphviz.org -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Samuel Goldwyn - "I'm willing to admit that I may not always be right, but I am never wrong." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/samuel_goldwyn.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 12 15:32:02 2009 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:32:02 -0500 Subject: the CIRA member record companies in the hot seat for ... copyright infringement In-Reply-To: <4B22EADA.3060803-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912111533t4100605bxb88bc51340885e2f@mail.gmail.com> <4B22EADA.3060803@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1260631922.2761.6548.camel@gont> On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 19:59 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Michael Lauzon wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 16:29, Peter wrote: > >> Were these not the people who were suing under age children and grannies for > >> downloading music ? > >> > >> http://www.thestar.com/business/article > >> /735096--geist-record-industry-faces-liability-over-infringement > >> > >> ^^paste url on 1 line > >> > >> This is not hypocrisy, it deserves a special new word to describe it. > >> > >> Peter > >> > > > > No, you're thinking of the RIAA, the CRIA hasn't sunk that low to > > start suing Canadians yet, plus it tends to be harder to bring a > > lawsuit to court in Canada. > > They have, they just didn't succeed. When I got a C&D from them, I > started doing research. Found that they had sued for the ID of suspected > file sharers, and the courts said they evidence was too weak to justify > the invasion or privacy. > > It's the gov't (odd, I know) that is keeping CRIA in check, definitely > not their inner morals. one more reason to take politics seriously...m > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 12 18:09:15 2009 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:09:15 +0000 Subject: Swap space In-Reply-To: References: <637ac7597c8e2451e04bb8b4be167ffc.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca>, Message-ID: Renata, would "happy 30th" be in order? ---------------------------------------- > From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:44:58 -0200 > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Swap space > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 22:48, Jason Carson wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> I know the conventional wisdom with respect to swap space has always been >> to double your memory but I am about to build a system with 4 GB of >> memory. Do I really need an 8 GB swap space? > > You won't need more than 2GB of swap, in general. But read this: > > http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-swap-space.html > > > -- > Renata Rocha > http://renata.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 12 19:38:14 2009 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:38:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Swap space In-Reply-To: <637ac7597c8e2451e04bb8b4be167ffc.squirrel-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg@public.gmane.org> References: <637ac7597c8e2451e04bb8b4be167ffc.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Jason Carson wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I know the conventional wisdom with respect to swap space has always been > to double your memory but I am about to build a system with 4 GB of > memory. Do I really need an 8 GB swap space? Hi Jason. The 2:1 ratio was necessary on some version of Unix because of the swapping algorithm in use. It was never a requirement on Linux. It was a decnet rule of thumb in the past but it doesn't make much sense with modern systems. Here are my comments on swap: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com/wiki/index.php/Swap Cheers, Rob -- I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy http://www.practicalsysadmin.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 12 20:02:26 2009 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:02:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Swap space In-Reply-To: References: <637ac7597c8e2451e04bb8b4be167ffc.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, William Muriithi wrote: > 2 GB is the maximum Linux kernel will ever use. Anything above that > will never be used however loaded the system is Hi William. There is a limit to swap that a modern Linux system can use but it is too big for anyone to care. On a quick search the figure of 4TB was mentioned on LKML. There was a 2GB limit _per swap space_ but even that has been gone for quite some time, and in any case it was easy to work around that by using multiple swap spaces. I regularly build systems with a single swap space larger than 2GB and they work just fine. Cheers, Rob -- I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy http://www.practicalsysadmin.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 13 04:59:52 2009 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:59:52 -0200 Subject: Swap space In-Reply-To: References: <637ac7597c8e2451e04bb8b4be167ffc.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: Thanks! :) On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 16:09, wrote: > > Renata, would "happy 30th" be in order? > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:44:58 -0200 >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Swap space >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> >> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 22:48, Jason Carson ?wrote: >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I know the conventional wisdom with respect to swap space has always been >>> to double your memory but I am about to build a system with 4 GB of >>> memory. Do I really need an 8 GB swap space? >> >> You won't need more than 2GB of swap, in general. But read this: >> >> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-swap-space.html >> >> >> -- >> Renata Rocha >> http://renata.org >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 13 19:05:17 2009 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:05:17 -0500 Subject: Swap space In-Reply-To: References: <637ac7597c8e2451e04bb8b4be167ffc.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: Robert, 2009/12/12 Robert Brockway : > On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, William Muriithi wrote: > >> 2 GB is the maximum Linux kernel will ever use. Anything above that >> will never be used however loaded the system is > > Hi William. ?There is a limit to swap that a modern Linux system can use but > it is too big for anyone to care. ?On a quick search the figure of 4TB was > mentioned on LKML. > > There was a 2GB limit _per swap space_ but even that has been gone for quite > some time, and in any case it was easy to work around that by using multiple > swap spaces. Thanks Robert. Now that I have looked at it again, I see where I got the 2GB limit. You need to create multiple swap space to go above the 2GB. > I regularly build systems with a single swap space larger than 2GB and they > work just fine. Ah, interesting. Any system that I have ever installed all have 2 GB, so we are in the same boat here. This discussion also triggered me to realise I have means to access if large swaps are necessary in real life. Every system at work is monitored through cacti. I just looked at some of the systems that are heavily used and arrived at two conclusions. * The more RAM you have, the less likely the system will use it even under a heavy load. Some of the 16 GB systems have NEVER used swap for over two years according to cacti. Would there be something else using cacti to confirm whether this is general or load specific. Most of our system are either web servers (apache and nginx) or database ( mysql) * NONE of the system have ever used over 500 MB so far, irrespective of the load. Look like the 2 GB is actually a tad overkill William > Cheers, > > Rob > > -- > I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy > http://www.practicalsysadmin.com > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 13 19:27:41 2009 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:27:41 -0500 Subject: Ruby 1.8.6 and its patches Message-ID: Afternoon pals, Red Hat 5 ships with ruby 1.8.5, old and now rarely used anywhere, if my research is correct. The most heavily used version is 1.8.6 according to some articles I came across. And interesting, 1.8.7 is not compatible with 1.8.6, leave alone 1.9, although this is not pertinent here http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2007/03/12/ruby-1-8-6-released/ Now I usually end up here and download 1.8.6 and install it when needed. Then on Friday, I got a feeling this has been a long approach all along. I am suspecting what you will get from there does not have any patch applied. Question is, am I into something here? More precisely, if you were to download the above source, would you be downloading ruby with all patches applied (I think there is over 280 patches already) or is this ruby as it was on 12 Mar 2007? If it does not include patches, where would one go to get all the patches to bring it up to date? William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lmlane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 13 20:16:13 2009 From: lmlane-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mark Lane) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:16:13 -0500 Subject: Swap space In-Reply-To: References: <637ac7597c8e2451e04bb8b4be167ffc.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 2:05 PM, William Muriithi < william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Robert, > > 2009/12/12 Robert Brockway : > > On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, William Muriithi wrote: > > > >> 2 GB is the maximum Linux kernel will ever use. Anything above that > >> will never be used however loaded the system is > > > > Hi William. There is a limit to swap that a modern Linux system can use > but > > it is too big for anyone to care. On a quick search the figure of 4TB > was > > mentioned on LKML. > > > > There was a 2GB limit _per swap space_ but even that has been gone for > quite > > some time, and in any case it was easy to work around that by using > multiple > > swap spaces. > > Thanks Robert. Now that I have looked at it again, I see where I got > the 2GB limit. You need to create multiple swap space to go above the > 2GB. > > > I regularly build systems with a single swap space larger than 2GB and > they > > work just fine. > > Ah, interesting. Any system that I have ever installed all have 2 GB, > so we are in the same boat here. This discussion also triggered me to > realise I have means to access if large swaps are necessary in real > life. Every system at work is monitored through cacti. I just looked > at some of the systems that are heavily used and arrived at two > conclusions. > > * The more RAM you have, the less likely the system will use it even > under a heavy load. Some of the 16 GB systems have NEVER used swap for > over two years according to cacti. Would there be something else using > cacti to confirm whether this is general or load specific. Most of our > system are either web servers (apache and nginx) or database ( mysql) > > * NONE of the system have ever used over 500 MB so far, irrespective > of the load. Look like the 2 GB is actually a tad overkill > > Generally servers don't need as much swap because unlike a desktop you aren't openning up a lot of applications. Sure your servers like apache can open up lots of threads during load but additional threads is not the same as starting up a whole new application like open office. -- Mark Lane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 13 20:32:27 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:32:27 -0500 Subject: Ruby 1.8.6 and its patches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B254F5B.9070504@gmail.com> William Muriithi wrote: > Afternoon pals, > > Red Hat 5 ships with ruby 1.8.5, old and now rarely used anywhere, if > my research is correct. The most heavily used version is 1.8.6 > according to some articles I came across. And interesting, 1.8.7 is > not compatible with 1.8.6, leave alone 1.9, although this is not > pertinent here > FYI: the Ruby draft proposal is based on 1.8.7 > http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2007/03/12/ruby-1-8-6-released/ > > Now I usually end up here and download 1.8.6 and install it when > needed. Then on Friday, I got a feeling this has been a long approach > all along. I am suspecting what you will get from there does not have > any patch applied. > > Question is, am I into something here? More precisely, if you were to > download the above source, would you be downloading ruby with all > patches applied (I think there is over 280 patches already) or is this > ruby as it was on 12 Mar 2007? > this is the patch level I have on my ubuntu yadav at KubuntuX64:$ ruby -v ruby 1.8.7 (2008-08-11 patchlevel 72) [x86_64-linux] have you read this page? http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/ruby-core/ you should be able to pull down ruby 1.8 from the branches and apply the patch levels > If it does not include patches, where would one go to get all the > patches to bring it up to date? > > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 13 21:52:16 2009 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:52:16 -0200 Subject: Ruby 1.8.6 and its patches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If your main objective is to use Ruby on Rails, I'd recommend you to skip the official distribution and get Ruby Enterprise Edition. Aside from being an optimized build that enables the copy-on-write feature of Phusion Passenger (mod_rails), it's made to ensure total compatibility with rails. http://www.rubyenterpriseedition.com/ http://www.modrails.com/ I use both on debian-based production servers, but both packages come with wizard-style scripts to build everything from source. []s FZero - finally sending my first email to TLUG. :-) On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:27 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > Afternoon pals, > > Red Hat 5 ships with ruby 1.8.5, old and now rarely used anywhere, if > my research is correct. The most heavily used version is 1.8.6 > according to some articles I came across. And interesting, 1.8.7 is > not compatible with 1.8.6, leave alone 1.9, although this is not > pertinent here > > http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2007/03/12/ruby-1-8-6-released/ > > Now I usually end up here and download 1.8.6 and install it when > needed. Then on Friday, I got a feeling this has been a long approach > all along. I am suspecting what you will get from there does not have > any patch applied. > > Question is, am I into something here? More precisely, if you were to > download the above source, would you be downloading ruby with all > patches applied (I think there is over 280 patches already) or is this > ruby as it was ?on 12 Mar 2007? > > If it does not include patches, where would one go to get all the > patches to bring it up to date? > > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 14 00:08:38 2009 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:08:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: TPL wireless & linux In-Reply-To: <1f13df280912080738g2880bcf5ra1f445473f3929f6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912071152j5b787705u21754b414b092285@mail.gmail.com> <194719.67791.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <1f13df280912080738g2880bcf5ra1f445473f3929f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:38:09 -0500 | From: Giles Orr | Could I ask when was the last time you used TPL wireless, and at which | branch? Thanks. This wasn't asked of me, but I'll answer anyway. The only time I've used TPL wireless was December 1 at Lillian Smith. I used my Nokia n800 (Maemo Linux). It worked. I don't remember the details but I think that my tablet whined about a certificate. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 14 01:13:38 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:13:38 -0500 Subject: CURL Message-ID: <4B259142.4060407@gmail.com> Does anyone know of a good curl tutorial? I want to learn the basic of this tool as well as basic http concepts. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 14 01:24:12 2009 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:24:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Swap space In-Reply-To: References: <637ac7597c8e2451e04bb8b4be167ffc.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, William Muriithi wrote: > Thanks Robert. Now that I have looked at it again, I see where I got > the 2GB limit. You need to create multiple swap space to go above the > 2GB. Hi William. Even that limit is gone. Go and try to create a larger swap file on a modern Linux system - it will work. > * The more RAM you have, the less likely the system will use it even > under a heavy load. Some of the 16 GB systems have NEVER used swap for > over two years according to cacti. Would there be something else using > cacti to confirm whether this is general or load specific. Most of our > system are either web servers (apache and nginx) or database ( mysql) Go and read up on the swapping algorithm and swappiness. Linux will only swap on demand with swappiness set to 0. With a higher value the system will swap opportunistically. If your systems have never swapped then the memory spec is in excess of requirements. Great. More memory for disk cache and file buffers. > * NONE of the system have ever used over 500 MB so far, irrespective > of the load. Look like the 2 GB is actually a tad overkill It is very important to avoid an out of memory condition (OOM), especially on a server. Disk is cheap so it doesn't hurt to have a decent size swap even if you think it will never get used. A small amount of kernel memory is consumed in managing the swap space. It is hardly worth mentioning on modern systems though. I cover thse topics in more detail here: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com/wiki/index.php/Swap Cheers, Rob -- I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy http://www.practicalsysadmin.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 14 01:40:50 2009 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:40:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Avoiding Rogers DNS breakage In-Reply-To: <20091209161913.GM761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <7fc604580912081522ieedb13eg1823f4b509fccd55@mail.gmail.com> <20091209161913.GM761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | Easily fixed too. | | whatever dns it gives you by dhcp resolves to dns.*.rogers.com | | Lookup altdns.*.rogers.com and use that instead. Perfectly sane normal | DNS server. This requires manual intervention whenever they change DNS server IP addresses. I don't think that happens often -- perhaps a couple of times in 10 years. But still annoying. I think that if you are going to have to manually do anything, just run your own nameserver, one that resolves stuff itself. I find that it just works. OK, so root servers change a once in a blue moon but your distro will probably update the list for you. When an ISP's convenience services are inconvenient, just don't use them. I don't use Roger's "portal", their mail server, their DNS (except for things for which they are authoritative). I used their usenet news server until they decided to improved that service (i.e. dropped it). I'm not even aware of any other services that they might offer. ISP's subtract value when they "add value". They want to become indispensible to you (eg. owning your email address). Wise consumers won't let that happen. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 14 03:28:29 2009 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:28:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: the CIRA member record companies in the hot seat for ... copyright infringement In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3570912111533t4100605bxb88bc51340885e2f@mail.gmail.com> <4B22EADA.3060803@alteeve.com> <1260631922.2761.6548.camel@gont> Message-ID: | From: Peter | Matt Price writes: | > one more reason to take politics seriously...m | | I'm all for gunboat diplomacy on this one. Uhh, the gunboats are on the other side. In particular, the copyright distension lobby has the support of the US Government. The part of our government that is on "our" side is the court system, not the legislature. As soon as the legislature gets over its ADD we'll have some new bad copyright law (twice bad bills have died when parliament desolved). Oh, and I'm not really happy with copyright infringement. I want reasonable laws that deserve to be obeyed. The way file sharing is used now is not reasonable in my ethical world-view. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 14 03:43:29 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:43:29 -0500 Subject: the CIRA member record companies in the hot seat for ... copyright infringement In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3570912111533t4100605bxb88bc51340885e2f@mail.gmail.com> <4B22EADA.3060803@alteeve.com> <1260631922.2761.6548.camel@gont> Message-ID: <4B25B461.4040808@alteeve.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Peter > > | Matt Price writes: > | > one more reason to take politics seriously...m > | > | I'm all for gunboat diplomacy on this one. > > Uhh, the gunboats are on the other side. In particular, the copyright > distension lobby has the support of the US Government. > > The part of our government that is on "our" side is the court system, > not the legislature. As soon as the legislature gets over its ADD > we'll have some new bad copyright law (twice bad bills have > died when parliament desolved). > > Oh, and I'm not really happy with copyright infringement. I want > reasonable laws that deserve to be obeyed. > > The way file sharing is used now is not reasonable in my ethical > world-view. I agree. They tried to come after me because some web crawler found my unmarked web directory linked to my music directory that I used to listen to my music when I was away from my laptop... No advertising, no signup... just a simple, auto-generated directory list. Anyway, they never found me directly, so I got lucky. Seriously though... these idiots will step on anyone for anything. Matt's right, we do have to pay attention to politics so that politicians pay attention to us. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 14 13:49:41 2009 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:49:41 -0500 Subject: CURL In-Reply-To: <4B259142.4060407-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B259142.4060407@gmail.com> Message-ID: curl man page[1] is actually really good. But if you don't know basic HTTP protocol it is really complicated. Take a look at the HTTP Protocol RFC 2616[2] which provides all the information you will ever need. A good place to learn about cookie's is the Wikipedia page[3]. Also if you don't like the command line check out hurl[4] and it's source[5]. I provide a basic guide to interfacing curl with Apache CouchDB in my slides from Ontario Linux Fest[6]. Sorry I couldn't provide anymore information. The HTTP protocol is really complex and learning it will require reading a lot of RFCs. ... [1]: http://curl.haxx.se/docs/manpage.html ... [2]: http://j.mp/rfc2616 ... [3]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_cookie#Setting_a_cookie ... [4]: http://hurl.it/ ... [5]: http://github.com/defunkt/hurl ... [6]: http://www.slideshare.net/mylesb/apache-couchdb-talk-at-ontario-gnu-linux-fest On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Does anyone know of a good curl tutorial? I want to learn the basic of this > tool as well as basic http concepts. > > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav > > http://DevMentor.org > > Do Good! - Share Freely > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Myles Braithwaite me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org http://mylesbraithwaite.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 14 17:02:34 2009 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:02:34 +0000 Subject: HP Laserjet II Toner Cartridge - Full Message-ID: This cartridge was refilled a while back, then the printer died and the cartridge was never used. I'm not sure how long the toner lasts on these things. It's probably a couple of years old. Can anyone make use of it? If not, I know a charity that can re-sell it as an empty. (No orders from Brasil please). :) John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tug.williams-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 14 17:39:23 2009 From: tug.williams-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (tug williams) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:39:23 -0500 Subject: Jousting with Gentoo - is Sabayon a good alternative for the weak of mind? Message-ID: <4B26784B.7070102@gmail.com> I've been using gentoo for a while now, but find I spend too much time jousting with gentoo as opposed to doing things I actually *want* to do. I really like the performance it has given me on my old laptop and my netbook, I've learned much, and then there's the sense of achievement.... but I've come to the conclusion that I'd rather be doing other things with my time. Does anyone have experience with Sabayon? Is it a way of getting a workable, maintained gentoo environment, but still allowing me to experiment with parts of my system should I get the urge? tug -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 14 17:52:52 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:52:52 -0500 Subject: Swap space In-Reply-To: References: <637ac7597c8e2451e04bb8b4be167ffc.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: <20091214175252.GV761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 08:04:18PM -0500, William Muriithi wrote: > 2 GB is the maximum Linux kernel will ever use. Anything above that > will never be used however loaded the system is Not true at all. Maybe years ago it was, but certainly not anymore. You need a PAE enabled kernel or a 64bit kernel to do it, but those are both pretty common these days. > I will google and see if I can find the article that had above info later -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 14 17:57:12 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:57:12 -0500 Subject: Avoiding Rogers DNS breakage In-Reply-To: References: <7fc604580912081522ieedb13eg1823f4b509fccd55@mail.gmail.com> <20091209161913.GM761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20091214175712.GW761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 08:40:50PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Lennart Sorensen > > | Easily fixed too. > | > | whatever dns it gives you by dhcp resolves to dns.*.rogers.com > | > | Lookup altdns.*.rogers.com and use that instead. Perfectly sane normal > | DNS server. > > This requires manual intervention whenever they change DNS server IP > addresses. I don't think that happens often -- perhaps a couple of > times in 10 years. But still annoying. Not as annoying as their helpful DNS server, and no more annoying that using any other random alternate DNS server. Changing DNS servers IP is not something anyone likes to do, so they tend not to change. > I think that if you are going to have to manually do anything, just > run your own nameserver, one that resolves stuff itself. I find that > it just works. OK, so root servers change a once in a blue moon but > your distro will probably update the list for you. I know some ISPs have interceptered the DNS lookup failure packets and inserted their own 'helpful search DNS' answer, although I don't think rogers does that. Using the ISPs alternate DNS should certainly stay working. > When an ISP's convenience services are inconvenient, just don't use > them. I don't use Roger's "portal", their mail server, their DNS > (except for things for which they are authoritative). I used their > usenet news server until they decided to improved that service (i.e. > dropped it). I'm not even aware of any other services that they might > offer. I certainly don't use those things either. I could setup my own internal DNS server, but I just haven't been bothered enough to do so. > ISP's subtract value when they "add value". They want to become > indispensible to you (eg. owning your email address). Wise consumers > won't let that happen. Hmm, I guess I might have an @rogers address somewhere. I wonder what it is. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 14 17:57:42 2009 From: natzilla-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Renata Rocha) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:57:42 -0200 Subject: Jousting with Gentoo - is Sabayon a good alternative for the weak of mind? In-Reply-To: <4B26784B.7070102-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B26784B.7070102@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 15:39, tug williams wrote: > Does anyone have experience with Sabayon? > > Is it a way of getting a workable, maintained gentoo environment, but > still allowing me to experiment with parts of my system should I get the > urge? I'm a Gentoo-fan, deep into -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer optimizations, but I'm oldschool, didn't knew this Sabayon - would certainly give it a try, Gnome-flavoured :) I enjoyed my Funtoo installation a lot, also. But it's not desktop-driven as this one. Someday I'll try linux from scratch - with a bottle of good wine, and hope it works. -- Renata Rocha http://renata.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 14 18:38:48 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:38:48 -0500 Subject: CURL In-Reply-To: References: <4B259142.4060407@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Myles, no kidding those rfc docs are dry reading and I am not writing a http server so way too much info =) I came across the man page for cURL but was actually looking for a tutorial on how to use all the various switches from the command line for http analysis. I manage to figure out that ones I needed to pull-down web pages using http get. Still the power/complexity or curl is something I would love to tame one day. I was actually looking to write a data scraper / bot in Ruby, there were a few gems that interface with curl and I wanted to use that since curl is very fast and stable, but then I managed to find a ruby gem that made writing bots a cakewalk. Right now I got a twitter bot sucking down posts, and it should be easy to write code to tweet from my account using ruby. The next phase will be to start scraping my followers list and then other people followers list and then really start having some fun. I've got some cool ideas for a twitter bot, you know the ones that listen to post to reply based on certain keyword, that will be my first pet project for xmas break. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely, Enrich and Empower people to Transform their lives. On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > curl man page[1] is actually really good. But if you don't know basic > HTTP protocol it is really complicated. Take a look at the HTTP > Protocol RFC 2616[2] which provides all the information you will ever > need. > > A good place to learn about cookie's is the Wikipedia page[3]. > > Also if you don't like the command line check out hurl[4] and it's source[5]. > > I provide a basic guide to interfacing curl with Apache CouchDB in my > slides from Ontario Linux Fest[6]. > > Sorry I couldn't provide anymore information. The HTTP protocol is > really complex and learning it will require reading a lot of RFCs. > > ... [1]: http://curl.haxx.se/docs/manpage.html > ... [2]: http://j.mp/rfc2616 > ... [3]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_cookie#Setting_a_cookie > ... [4]: http://hurl.it/ > ... [5]: http://github.com/defunkt/hurl > ... [6]: http://www.slideshare.net/mylesb/apache-couchdb-talk-at-ontario-gnu-linux-fest > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> Does anyone know of a good curl tutorial? I want to learn the basic of this >> tool as well as basic http concepts. >> >> >> -- >> Kind Regards, >> Rajinder Yadav >> >> http://DevMentor.org >> >> Do Good! - Share Freely >> -- > -- > Myles Braithwaite > me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > http://mylesbraithwaite.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 14 18:44:41 2009 From: chris-E7bvbYbpR6jSUeElwK9/Pw at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:44:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: CURL In-Reply-To: References: <4B259142.4060407@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > curl man page[1] is actually really good. But if you don't know basic > HTTP protocol it is really complicated. Take a look at the HTTP > Protocol RFC 2616[2] which provides all the information you will ever > need. > > A good place to learn about cookie's is the Wikipedia page[3]. > > Also if you don't like the command line check out hurl[4] and it's source[5]. > > I provide a basic guide to interfacing curl with Apache CouchDB in my > slides from Ontario Linux Fest[6]. > > Sorry I couldn't provide anymore information. The HTTP protocol is > really complex and learning it will require reading a lot of RFCs. The HTTP protocol is really not that difficult. I found this page which explains it: . It gave me all the info I needed to write a shell HTTP client: -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster =================================================================== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 14 18:48:05 2009 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:48:05 -0500 Subject: CURL In-Reply-To: References: <4B259142.4060407@gmail.com> Message-ID: > no kidding those rfc docs are dry reading and I am not writing a http > server so way too much info =) All web developers (even if they are not developing a HTTP Server) should read the RFC 2616 or Chris F.A. Johnson's simpler description. -- Myles Braithwaite me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org http://mylesbraithwaite.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 14 19:05:09 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:05:09 -0500 Subject: CURL In-Reply-To: References: <4B259142.4060407@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris, thanks for the link! I do recall reading this one last night and bookmarking. It's a easy read and gives you all the details you need as a webmaster. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely, Enrich and Empower people to Transform their lives. On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > >> curl man page[1] is actually really good. But if you don't know basic >> HTTP protocol it is really complicated. Take a look at the HTTP >> Protocol RFC 2616[2] which provides all the information you will ever >> need. >> >> A good place to learn about cookie's is the Wikipedia page[3]. >> >> Also if you don't like the command line check out hurl[4] and it's source[5]. >> >> I provide a basic guide to interfacing curl with Apache CouchDB in my >> slides from Ontario Linux Fest[6]. >> >> Sorry I couldn't provide anymore information. The HTTP protocol is >> really complex and learning it will require reading a lot of RFCs. > > ? The HTTP protocol is really not that difficult. I found this page > ? which explains it: . > > ? It gave me all the info I needed to write a shell HTTP client: > ? > > > -- > ? Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster ? ? ? ? > ? =================================================================== > ? Author: > ? Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) > ? Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 14 19:50:26 2009 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:50:26 +0000 Subject: HP Laserjet II Toner Cartridge - Full In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would not surprised if no-one on the list has a functioning Laserjet II, but I should clarify that this is a give-away. ---------------------------------------- > From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: [TLUG]: HP Laserjet II Toner Cartridge - Full > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:02:34 +0000 > > > This cartridge was refilled a while back, then the printer died and the cartridge was never used. I'm not sure how long the toner lasts on these things. It's probably a couple of years old. > > Can anyone make use of it? If not, I know a charity that can re-sell it as an empty. (No orders from Brasil please). :) > > John. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 14 20:29:56 2009 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:29:56 -0500 Subject: Avoiding Rogers DNS breakage In-Reply-To: <20091214175712.GW761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <7fc604580912081522ieedb13eg1823f4b509fccd55@mail.gmail.com> <20091209161913.GM761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091214175712.GW761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 12/14/09, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 08:40:50PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> | From: Lennart Sorensen >> >> | Easily fixed too. >> | >> | whatever dns it gives you by dhcp resolves to dns.*.rogers.com >> | >> | Lookup altdns.*.rogers.com and use that instead. Perfectly sane normal >> | DNS server. >> >> This requires manual intervention whenever they change DNS server IP >> addresses. I don't think that happens often -- perhaps a couple of >> times in 10 years. But still annoying. > > Not as annoying as their helpful DNS server, and no more annoying that > using any other random alternate DNS server. Changing DNS servers IP > is not something anyone likes to do, so they tend not to change. > >> I think that if you are going to have to manually do anything, just >> run your own nameserver, one that resolves stuff itself. I find that >> it just works. OK, so root servers change a once in a blue moon but >> your distro will probably update the list for you. > > I know some ISPs have interceptered the DNS lookup failure packets > and inserted their own 'helpful search DNS' answer, although I don't > think rogers does that. Using the ISPs alternate DNS should certainly > stay working. I don't know if Rogers does it everywhere they operate, but at least in Toronto DNS look-up failures would send you to a Rogers advertising loaded "help" page. More annoying, given the "quality" of Rogers DNS server, was situations where I would ask for "www.rogers.com", get sent to the "help" page (at rogers.com) which would ask if I really wanted "www.rogers.com"!?!?! I saw the same behaviour in a number of other "major" websites, such as ibm.com... In other words Rogers has a worse than useless DNS server. My solution to the above has been to set-up an in-house DNS server... Further, Rogers technical support is also about as bad as their DNS server. Two years ago all the machines at my home were, with one exception, running Linux, the one exception being an old Sun Solaris box. I call Rogers regarding signal outages, and they tell me that unless I am running MS-Windows or Mac OS-X they can't help me. So, I get a cheap used Mac OS-X box and then I get told that since I am not running MS-Windows I don't know anything about computers... A complaint to then still alive Ted Rogers got me an unhelpful call from one of his assistants... One of my big mistakes when I first got my Rogers high-speed account was to pass out my Rogers e-mail address. So for the last while I have been phasing out said account, and a project for early in the new year will be to switch from Rogers to another high speed provider... >> When an ISP's convenience services are inconvenient, just don't use >> them. I don't use Roger's "portal", their mail server, their DNS >> (except for things for which they are authoritative). I used their >> usenet news server until they decided to improved that service (i.e. >> dropped it). I'm not even aware of any other services that they might >> offer. > > I certainly don't use those things either. I could setup my own internal > DNS server, but I just haven't been bothered enough to do so. > >> ISP's subtract value when they "add value". They want to become >> indispensible to you (eg. owning your email address). Wise consumers >> won't let that happen. > > Hmm, I guess I might have an @rogers address somewhere. I wonder what > it is. :) > > -- > Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 00:57:16 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:57:16 -0500 Subject: CURL In-Reply-To: References: <4B259142.4060407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B26DEEC.2070103@gmail.com> Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Myles Braithwaite wrote: > >> curl man page[1] is actually really good. But if you don't know basic >> HTTP protocol it is really complicated. Take a look at the HTTP >> Protocol RFC 2616[2] which provides all the information you will ever >> need. >> >> A good place to learn about cookie's is the Wikipedia page[3]. >> >> Also if you don't like the command line check out hurl[4] and it's source[5]. >> >> I provide a basic guide to interfacing curl with Apache CouchDB in my >> slides from Ontario Linux Fest[6]. >> >> Sorry I couldn't provide anymore information. The HTTP protocol is >> really complex and learning it will require reading a lot of RFCs. > > The HTTP protocol is really not that difficult. I found this page > which explains it: . Chris, the other http intro I found that I really liked reading was: http://www.garshol.priv.no/download/text/http-tut.html you or anyone else might like it also, but still I am looking for a good curl usage tutorial for the command like tool. > > It gave me all the info I needed to write a shell HTTP client: > > > -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 01:04:32 2009 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:04:32 -0500 Subject: Jousting with Gentoo - is Sabayon a good alternative for the weak of mind? In-Reply-To: References: <4B26784B.7070102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091214200432.27dca98c.tleslie@tcn.net> i ran it for a bit, didnt find it any faster then a normal ubuntu install, and i have since settled on mint, as it is ubuntu-that-works, with all the fixings (multimedia plugins). sabayon had the most slick, most professional install procedure i have ever seen. if you like the gentoo flavour, id say its the contender. i only ran it for about a week, and found it about on par with sidux (my distro of choice at the time) as far as work to get all multimedia running, which is why i then tried out mint, and then, like anyone else trying mint, that is kinda the holy grail and you stop your search. (only downside is you have to wait 5-6 weeks for the 64bit version to come out after the corresponding ubuntu is released, but you get benefit of all the reported fixes) tl On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:57:42 -0200 Renata Rocha wrote: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 15:39, tug williams wrote: > > > Does anyone have experience with Sabayon? > > > > Is it a way of getting a workable, maintained gentoo environment, but > > still allowing me to experiment with parts of my system should I get the > > urge? > > I'm a Gentoo-fan, deep into -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer > optimizations, but I'm oldschool, didn't knew this Sabayon - would > certainly give it a try, Gnome-flavoured :) > > I enjoyed my Funtoo installation a lot, also. But it's not > desktop-driven as this one. > > Someday I'll try linux from scratch - with a bottle of good wine, and > hope it works. > > -- > Renata Rocha > http://renata.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 05:18:36 2009 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:18:36 -0500 Subject: Newest iPod Nano video Message-ID: Looking at the ads for the latest iPod Nano, which now shoots video. Anyone seen anything about this working with any of the Linux iPod software like gtkpod? -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 08:21:12 2009 From: gyre-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Eric Battersby) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:21:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: weird terminal response In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df280912071152j5b787705u21754b414b092285@mail.gmail.com> <194719.67791.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <1f13df280912080738g2880bcf5ra1f445473f3929f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: A friend of mine logged into my machine (CentOS) from F10 or F11, using Gnome-Terminal and 'ssh'. He got some weird terminal response after logging out. The problem is not happening now, but I would like some ideas on what might have happened, or how to reproduce it. Here is his description: When I log out, my shell window scrolls (a 'home' seems to be issued) and the cursor goes to the top of the page. After that my shell window is "contaminated". If at a later time (say, after an 'ls -la') I do cursor up to issue the previous command, the same thing happens! The shell windows clears and the command out of the buffer is then displayed on top! -- Eric Battersby. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 14:33:32 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:33:32 -0500 Subject: weird terminal response In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df280912071152j5b787705u21754b414b092285@mail.gmail.com> <194719.67791.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <1f13df280912080738g2880bcf5ra1f445473f3929f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091215143332.GX761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 03:21:12AM -0500, Eric Battersby wrote: > A friend of mine logged into my machine (CentOS) > from F10 or F11, using Gnome-Terminal and 'ssh'. > He got some weird terminal response after logging out. > The problem is not happening now, but I would like some ideas > on what might have happened, or how to reproduce it. > > Here is his description: > > When I log out, my shell window scrolls (a 'home' seems > to be issued) and the cursor goes to the top of the page. > > After that my shell window is "contaminated". If at a later > time (say, after an 'ls -la') I do cursor up to issue the > previous command, the same thing happens! The shell windows > clears and the command out of the buffer is then displayed > on top! I find the gnome-terminal so buggy that it is totally unusable. I use konsole (kde's terminal) or plain old xterm. They work. I often find gnome's terminal gets the terminal emulation messed up with no way to fix it. Simply just don't use it. I think the only way to rescue it would be a complete rewrite. I unfortunately expect the code to be a mess given its awful behaviours. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 15:11:26 2009 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:11:26 +0000 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use Message-ID: Hi all; I recently bought an LCD monitor for my mother-in-law. She was looking for a square monitor, but all there is nowadays is the widescreen. It's a Samsung 21.5" screen. She is using Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (I know, I should upgrade it for her one of these days). With the widescreen, the background picture gets spread out and looks very unnatural. From the settings on the monitor itself, I restricted the screen to a square size. The background looks good, but there's a lot of real estate unnecessarily lost. What's the best way to handle a widescreen monitor? I'd be happy with having the background picture cut back to a square, but would like the icons and any open applications to use the full screen. I've never heard anyone complain about this before, so it must be something silly I've done or overlooked. Thanks for any help. John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 15:15:53 2009 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:15:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71372.91958.qm@web88105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 12/15/09, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > I recently bought an LCD monitor for my mother-in-law. She > was looking for a square monitor, but all there is nowadays > is the widescreen. It's a Samsung 21.5" screen. > > She is using Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (I know, I should upgrade it > for her one of these days). With the widescreen, the > background picture gets spread out and looks very unnatural. > From the settings on the monitor itself, I restricted the > screen to a square size. The background looks good, but > there's a lot of real estate unnecessarily lost. > > What's the best way to handle a widescreen monitor? I'd be > happy with having the background picture cut back to a > square, but would like the icons and any open applications > to use the full screen. > > I've never heard anyone complain about this before, so it > must be something silly I've done or overlooked. My widescreen monitors work fine without any effort on my part. Now, I am using the latest Ubuntu. My guess is that upgrading would solve your problem. And the time to upgrade would be much less than solving the problem in the current version. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 15:42:04 2009 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:42:04 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: <71372.91958.qm-W9LGSkMRpjmB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <71372.91958.qm@web88105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B27AE4C.9000300@ss.org> On 12/15/2009 10:15 AM, Stephen wrote: > --- On Tue, 12/15/09, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >> I recently bought an LCD monitor for my mother-in-law. She >> was looking for a square monitor, but all there is nowadays >> is the widescreen. It's a Samsung 21.5" screen. >> >> She is using Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (I know, I should upgrade it >> for her one of these days). With the widescreen, the >> background picture gets spread out and looks very unnatural. >> From the settings on the monitor itself, I restricted the >> screen to a square size. The background looks good, but >> there's a lot of real estate unnecessarily lost. >> >> What's the best way to handle a widescreen monitor? I'd be >> happy with having the background picture cut back to a >> square, but would like the icons and any open applications >> to use the full screen. >> >> I've never heard anyone complain about this before, so it >> must be something silly I've done or overlooked. >> > My widescreen monitors work fine without any effort on my part. Now, I am using the latest Ubuntu. > > My guess is that upgrading would solve your problem. > > And the time to upgrade would be much less than solving the problem in the current version. > > Stephen > This is not an issue of the monitor being supported, it's actually very simply PEBKAC (to be blunt, sorry). Put the monitor in the Resolution that it's supposed to be, then find the background preferences. Gnome lets you set what's called background Style: Tiled, Zoom, Center, Scaled and Fill Screen. Play around with those until you find a version your mother-in-law likes. Failing that, open her original background in an image editor and scale and crop it in a manner that would fit the wide screen aspect ratio. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 15:51:10 2009 From: ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Amanda Yilmaz) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:51:10 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B27B06E.8030708@pobox.com> john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > Hi all; > > I recently bought an LCD monitor for my mother-in-law. She was looking for a square monitor, but all there is nowadays is the widescreen. It's a Samsung 21.5" screen. > > She is using Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (I know, I should upgrade it for her one of these days). With the widescreen, the background picture gets spread out and looks very unnatural. From the settings on the monitor itself, I restricted the screen to a square size. The background looks good, but there's a lot of real estate unnecessarily lost. > > What's the best way to handle a widescreen monitor? I'd be happy with having the background picture cut back to a square, but would like the icons and any open applications to use the full screen. > > I've never heard anyone complain about this before, so it must be something silly I've done or overlooked. > > Thanks for any help. > > John. When in widescreen mode, is just the background picture spread out, or are the desktop icons and text spread out as well? Conversely, when you manually set the monitor to 4:3 mode, and the background picture looks OK, are the desktop icons and text squashed horizontally? What to do next will depend on the answer to these questions. If the background picture *and* the desktop icons and text are spread out in widescreen mode, that indicates a video card configuration issue. If the background picture is spread out but the desktop icons and text look fine in widescreen mode, you would just need to change the background picture display mode (Zoom, Centre, etc.) and/or crop it and/or choose a different background picture. Amanda -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 16:10:03 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:10:03 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B27B4DB.7070108@rogers.com> john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > Hi all; > > I recently bought an LCD monitor for my mother-in-law. She was looking for a square monitor, but all there is nowadays is the widescreen. It's a Samsung 21.5" screen. > > She is using Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (I know, I should upgrade it for her one of these days). With the widescreen, the background picture gets spread out and looks very unnatural. From the settings on the monitor itself, I restricted the screen to a square size. The background looks good, but there's a lot of real estate unnecessarily lost. > > What's the best way to handle a widescreen monitor? I'd be happy with having the background picture cut back to a square, but would like the icons and any open applications to use the full screen. > > I've never heard anyone complain about this before, so it must be something silly I've done or overlooked. > > I recently bought a 23" HD 1080p monitor, which is connected to my computer via DVI cable. The desktop fills the entire screen, without stretching. Does the video card support DVI or HDMI? If so, that's the best way to go. 4:3 monitors & TVs are obsolete, so, if necessary, you might want to upgrade the video card to support DVI or HDMI. Also, my monitor has a VGA connector, as well as DVI & HDMI. I use the VGA port for my KVM switch and have to set the display to 4:3 when I use VGA. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 16:11:53 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:11:53 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: <4B27AE4C.9000300-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <71372.91958.qm@web88105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4B27AE4C.9000300@ss.org> Message-ID: <4B27B549.50806@rogers.com> Scott Sullivan wrote: > On 12/15/2009 10:15 AM, Stephen wrote: >> --- On Tue, 12/15/09, >> john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: >> >>> I recently bought an LCD monitor for my mother-in-law. She >>> was looking for a square monitor, but all there is nowadays >>> is the widescreen. It's a Samsung 21.5" screen. >>> >>> She is using Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (I know, I should upgrade it >>> for her one of these days). With the widescreen, the >>> background picture gets spread out and looks very unnatural. >>> From the settings on the monitor itself, I restricted the >>> screen to a square size. The background looks good, but >>> there's a lot of real estate unnecessarily lost. >>> >>> What's the best way to handle a widescreen monitor? I'd be >>> happy with having the background picture cut back to a >>> square, but would like the icons and any open applications >>> to use the full screen. >>> >>> I've never heard anyone complain about this before, so it >>> must be something silly I've done or overlooked. >> My widescreen monitors work fine without any effort on my part. Now, >> I am using the latest Ubuntu. >> >> My guess is that upgrading would solve your problem. >> >> And the time to upgrade would be much less than solving the problem >> in the current version. >> >> Stephen > > This is not an issue of the monitor being supported, it's actually > very simply PEBKAC (to be blunt, sorry). > > Put the monitor in the Resolution that it's supposed to be, then find > the background preferences. Gnome lets you set what's called > background Style: Tiled, Zoom, Center, Scaled and Fill Screen. Play > around with those until you find a version your mother-in-law likes. > > Failing that, open her original background in an image editor and > scale and crop it in a manner that would fit the wide screen aspect > ratio. > If the OP only has a VGA connection available, he might not be able to do that. With DVI or HDMI, configuration should be automatic. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 16:16:01 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:16:01 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091215161601.GY761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 03:11:26PM +0000, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > I recently bought an LCD monitor for my mother-in-law. She was looking for a square monitor, but all there is nowadays is the widescreen. It's a Samsung 21.5" screen. > > She is using Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (I know, I should upgrade it for her one of these days). With the widescreen, the background picture gets spread out and looks very unnatural. From the settings on the monitor itself, I restricted the screen to a square size. The background looks good, but there's a lot of real estate unnecessarily lost. > > What's the best way to handle a widescreen monitor? I'd be happy with having the background picture cut back to a square, but would like the icons and any open applications to use the full screen. So find the setting in your desktop manager for the background image and turn of stretching, or use a widescreen background image that fits the actual screen size. > I've never heard anyone complain about this before, so it must be something silly I've done or overlooked. On KDE fot the desktop image setting, I see 'Scaled' which stretches the image to the whole screen. 'Scaled keep proportions' which scales it up but keeps the shape and puts borders on the sides or top/bottom. 'sdcaled and crop' which scales it until the screen is filled keeping the shape and cutting off the sides or top/bottom if any part sticks outside the screen. 'centered' doesn't scale at all and just puts the image in the middle of the screen. tiles repeats it, tiled and centered puts it in the middle and fills with copies around it. Gnome should have similar options. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 16:17:39 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:17:39 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: <4B27B4DB.7070108-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B27B4DB.7070108@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20091215161739.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:10:03AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > I recently bought a 23" HD 1080p monitor, which is connected to my > computer via DVI cable. The desktop fills the entire screen, without > stretching. Does the video card support DVI or HDMI? If so, that's the > best way to go. 4:3 monitors & TVs are obsolete, so, if necessary, you > might want to upgrade the video card to support DVI or HDMI. > > Also, my monitor has a VGA connector, as well as DVI & HDMI. I use the > VGA port for my KVM switch and have to set the display to 4:3 when I use > VGA. On my 24" LCD the vga connector works perfectly at 1920x1200 no matter what I connect it to. Well except really old computers that can't do that high a resolution. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 16:17:38 2009 From: fia_wrc_fanatic-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Salman Ahmed) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:17:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: <4B27B4DB.7070108-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B27B4DB.7070108@rogers.com> Message-ID: <506446.16629.qm@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Does using the VGA connection/input on a widescreen LCD cause the display to be stretched or scaled? Or is it possibly due to a limitation in the video card not being able to support the widescreen display resolutions? I am sortof hijacking OP's thread, but this is something I've been wondering about: can I use a new widescreen LCD on an older system that has an old (ATI) video card that apparently doesn't seem to support widescreen resolutions? -- Salman Ahmed ----- Original Message ---- From: James Knott To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 11:10:03 AM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Widescreen Optimum Use john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > Hi all; > > I recently bought an LCD monitor for my mother-in-law. She was looking for a square monitor, but all there is nowadays is the widescreen. It's a Samsung 21.5" screen. > > She is using Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (I know, I should upgrade it for her one of these days). With the widescreen, the background picture gets spread out and looks very unnatural. From the settings on the monitor itself, I restricted the screen to a square size. The background looks good, but there's a lot of real estate unnecessarily lost. > > What's the best way to handle a widescreen monitor? I'd be happy with having the background picture cut back to a square, but would like the icons and any open applications to use the full screen. > > I've never heard anyone complain about this before, so it must be something silly I've done or overlooked. > > I recently bought a 23" HD 1080p monitor, which is connected to my computer via DVI cable. The desktop fills the entire screen, without stretching. Does the video card support DVI or HDMI? If so, that's the best way to go. 4:3 monitors & TVs are obsolete, so, if necessary, you might want to upgrade the video card to support DVI or HDMI. Also, my monitor has a VGA connector, as well as DVI & HDMI. I use the VGA port for my KVM switch and have to set the display to 4:3 when I use VGA. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 16:21:56 2009 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:21:56 +0000 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: <4B27B06E.8030708-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: ,<4B27B06E.8030708@pobox.com> Message-ID: ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:51:10 -0500 > From: ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Widescreen Optimum Use > > john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: >> Hi all; >> >> I recently bought an LCD monitor for my mother-in-law. She was looking for a square monitor, but all there is nowadays is the widescreen. It's a Samsung 21.5" screen. >> >> She is using Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (I know, I should upgrade it for her one of these days). With the widescreen, the background picture gets spread out and looks very unnatural. From the settings on the monitor itself, I restricted the screen to a square size. The background looks good, but there's a lot of real estate unnecessarily lost. >> >> What's the best way to handle a widescreen monitor? I'd be happy with having the background picture cut back to a square, but would like the icons and any open applications to use the full screen. >> >> I've never heard anyone complain about this before, so it must be something silly I've done or overlooked. >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> John. > > When in widescreen mode, is just the background picture spread out, or > are the desktop icons and text spread out as well? > > Conversely, when you manually set the monitor to 4:3 mode, and the > background picture looks OK, are the desktop icons and text squashed > horizontally? > > What to do next will depend on the answer to these questions. If the > background picture *and* the desktop icons and text are spread out in > widescreen mode, that indicates a video card configuration issue. > > If the background picture is spread out but the desktop icons and text > look fine in widescreen mode, you would just need to change the > background picture display mode (Zoom, Centre, etc.) and/or crop it > and/or choose a different background picture. > > Amanda > Just what I needed to know, thanks. I don't want to risk messing up configurations if it's just the background picture. I have to take a drive to her place and get a closer look (was a bit rushed last time). I might even get a chance to upgrade her distro. John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 16:27:49 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:27:49 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: <506446.16629.qm-4xim6713zGWB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <4B27B4DB.7070108@rogers.com> <506446.16629.qm@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B27B905.20709@rogers.com> Salman Ahmed wrote: > Does using the VGA connection/input on a widescreen LCD cause the display to be stretched or scaled? Or is it possibly due to a limitation in the video card not being able to support the widescreen display resolutions? > > I could not configure either of the VGA computers I tried to use a wide screen. The settings weren't accepted. The monitor can be configured to display in either 16:9 or 4:3 modes. Of course 4:3 results in black bars at the sides. With my main computer, which has a DVI output and does not pass through the KVM, I simply used the NVidea configuration utility to enable the new monitor and didn't have to set anything else. It just worked. I'm running OpenSUSE 11.0 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 16:29:17 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:29:17 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: <20091215161739.GZ761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B27B4DB.7070108@rogers.com> <20091215161739.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B27B95D.7040008@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:10:03AM -0500, James Knott wrote: >> >> Also, my monitor has a VGA connector, as well as DVI& HDMI. I use the >> VGA port for my KVM switch and have to set the display to 4:3 when I use >> VGA. >> > On my 24" LCD the vga connector works perfectly at 1920x1200 no matter > what I connect it to. Well except really old computers that can't do > that high a resolution. > > Yes, my monitor can do 16:9 VGA, but I cannot set that on either of the computers that pass through the KVM. The required settings are not accepted. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 16:31:23 2009 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:31:23 +0000 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: <20091215161739.GZ761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B27B4DB.7070108@rogers.com>,<20091215161739.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:17:39 -0500 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Widescreen Optimum Use > From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:10:03AM -0500, James Knott wrote: >> I recently bought a 23" HD 1080p monitor, which is connected to my >> computer via DVI cable. The desktop fills the entire screen, without >> stretching. Does the video card support DVI or HDMI? If so, that's the >> best way to go. 4:3 monitors & TVs are obsolete, so, if necessary, you >> might want to upgrade the video card to support DVI or HDMI. >> >> Also, my monitor has a VGA connector, as well as DVI & HDMI. I use the >> VGA port for my KVM switch and have to set the display to 4:3 when I use >> VGA. > > On my 24" LCD the vga connector works perfectly at 1920x1200 no matter > what I connect it to. Well except really old computers that can't do > that high a resolution. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- I'm pretty sure there's no DVI or HDMI connectors. For the usage of her PC, a new card would be a waste, unless it's the right way to resolve the problem. I'll try the various tweaking suggestions first. Thanks, John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 17:01:19 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:01:19 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: <506446.16629.qm-4xim6713zGWB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <4B27B4DB.7070108@rogers.com> <506446.16629.qm@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20091215170119.GA761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 08:17:38AM -0800, Salman Ahmed wrote: > Does using the VGA connection/input on a widescreen LCD cause the display to be stretched or scaled? Or is it possibly due to a limitation in the video card not being able to support the widescreen display resolutions? > > I am sortof hijacking OP's thread, but this is something I've been wondering about: can I use a new widescreen LCD on an older system that has an old (ATI) video card that apparently doesn't seem to support widescreen resolutions? Some cards can't drive weird resolutions. Or at least their drivers can't. So if your resolution is 1680x1050, a lot of older cards (or at least their drivers) simply won't have a clue and may do 1280x1024 instead (which will look awful). 1440x900 seems even more of a problem for older cards. Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log or email it to me and I can tell you what resolution it picked and why. I have not had issues with it on nvidia cards going back as far as the 5200 at least (I haven't tried a widescreen on anything older since I don't have any around). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 17:03:24 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:03:24 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: <4B27B95D.7040008-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B27B4DB.7070108@rogers.com> <20091215161739.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B27B95D.7040008@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20091215170324.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:29:17AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Yes, my monitor can do 16:9 VGA, but I cannot set that on either of the > computers that pass through the KVM. The required settings are not > accepted. The KVM should have nothing to do with it. If the KVM lies about the monitor DDC then the KVM is shit and should be replaced with one that passes through the real DDC data. Nothing else will ever work right. Check what the X log files say the DDC info was. Also many computer screens are 16:10 not 16:9. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 17:28:38 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:28:38 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: <20091215170324.GB761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B27B4DB.7070108@rogers.com> <20091215161739.GZ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4B27B95D.7040008@rogers.com> <20091215170324.GB761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B27C746.6070406@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:29:17AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >> Yes, my monitor can do 16:9 VGA, but I cannot set that on either of the >> computers that pass through the KVM. The required settings are not >> accepted. >> > The KVM should have nothing to do with it. If the KVM lies about the > monitor DDC then the KVM is shit and should be replaced with one that > passes through the real DDC data. Nothing else will ever work right. > > Check what the X log files say the DDC info was. > > Also many computer screens are 16:10 not 16:9. > > As I mentioned, a wide screen setting is simply not accepted in SAX2, the configuration utility in OpenSUSE. I'll have to check the log files later. One computer is an old IBM Netfinity server and the other is an old Compaq that originally came with Windows ME. I don't have much hope for that one. I also have an 8 year old ThinkPad, which I haven't tried yet, but I suspect won't be able to do it either. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 18:00:16 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:00:16 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091215180016.GC761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 04:31:23PM +0000, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > ---------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:17:39 -0500 > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Widescreen Optimum Use > > From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org > > > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:10:03AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >> I recently bought a 23" HD 1080p monitor, which is connected to my > >> computer via DVI cable. The desktop fills the entire screen, without > >> stretching. Does the video card support DVI or HDMI? If so, that's the > >> best way to go. 4:3 monitors & TVs are obsolete, so, if necessary, you > >> might want to upgrade the video card to support DVI or HDMI. > >> > >> Also, my monitor has a VGA connector, as well as DVI & HDMI. I use the > >> VGA port for my KVM switch and have to set the display to 4:3 when I use > >> VGA. > > > > On my 24" LCD the vga connector works perfectly at 1920x1200 no matter > > what I connect it to. Well except really old computers that can't do > > that high a resolution. > > > > -- > > Len Sorensen > > -- > I'm pretty sure there's no DVI or HDMI connectors. For the usage of her PC, a new card would be a waste, unless it's the right way to resolve the problem. I'll try the various tweaking suggestions first. Well check the X logs (include a copy in email if necesary). It says what the monitor is capable off, and what the video card is capable of. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 18:05:25 2009 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:05:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: top problems with Windows 7 Message-ID: This provides an interesting perspective on users' problems with Windows 7: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/12/most-windows-7-issues-are-upgrade-woes.ars It would be good to have a similar analysis of each Linux distro. I don't think that this reflects badly on Win 7. Users will always have problems. Interestingly, I think that the bulk of the reported problems are due to switching a machine to Win 7 -- at least the top four, 79%). And yet most Win7 users probably don't switch a machine to Win 7, they get one with it already installed (95% is suggested by the article, but it may not apply to this sample). All this doesn't quite add up. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 18:49:13 2009 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:49:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: <20091215170119.GA761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B27B4DB.7070108@rogers.com> <506446.16629.qm@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20091215170119.GA761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | Some cards can't drive weird resolutions. Or at least their drivers can't. | | So if your resolution is 1680x1050, a lot of older cards (or at least | their drivers) simply won't have a clue and may do 1280x1024 instead | (which will look awful). 1440x900 seems even more of a problem for | older cards. Some drivers can only use resolutions that are supported by the BIOS. I *think* "kernel mode setting" can get arround this. KMS is a feature being pushed into as many drivers as possible (with sometimes painful failures). Non-kernel modesetting was done (if I understand this correctly) by X using an i386 emulator running BIOS modesetting code carefully. That's why only BIOS-supported resolutions could be implemented. But I may have this wrong. Certainly the VGA driver (the generic fallback when X does not know how to run the particular video chips) is limited to BIOS-supported resolutions. | From: Lennart Sorensen | The KVM should have nothing to do with it. If the KVM lies about the | monitor DDC then the KVM is shit and should be replaced with one that | passes through the real DDC data. Nothing else will ever work right. My KVMs are old enough that the don't pass DDC/EDID. They don't lie. Interestingly, this has exposed a bug in the Savage driver. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491488 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 18:51:51 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:51:51 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: References: <4B27B4DB.7070108@rogers.com> <506446.16629.qm@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20091215170119.GA761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20091215185151.GD761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 01:49:13PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Some drivers can only use resolutions that are supported by the BIOS. > I *think* "kernel mode setting" can get arround this. KMS is a > feature being pushed into as many drivers as possible (with sometimes > painful failures). > > Non-kernel modesetting was done (if I understand this correctly) by X > using an i386 emulator running BIOS modesetting code carefully. > That's why only BIOS-supported resolutions could be implemented. If the driver knows the video chip well enough it can set the resolution itself. Only vesa should have any reason to use the BIOS for modes anymore. Of course some chips simply can't generate some resolutions. > But I may have this wrong. > > Certainly the VGA driver (the generic fallback when X does not know > how to run the particular video chips) is limited to BIOS-supported > resolutions. Of course. It is generic. > My KVMs are old enough that the don't pass DDC/EDID. They don't lie. Not passing it is pretty close to lying, and pretty pathetic to not support something that was common on monitors in 1995. When did you buy these things? > Interestingly, this has exposed a bug in the Savage driver. > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491488 -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From comptechsadmin-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 21:42:31 2009 From: comptechsadmin-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Charles Takacs) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:42:31 -0500 Subject: test Message-ID: <5160add20912151342q9a3e1c4yeb2de518a5bfd081@mail.gmail.com> test :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 22:00:12 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:00:12 -0500 Subject: test In-Reply-To: <5160add20912151342q9a3e1c4yeb2de518a5bfd081-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <5160add20912151342q9a3e1c4yeb2de518a5bfd081@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2806EC.8060703@rogers.com> Charles Takacs wrote: > test :-) OH! NO! I forgot to study!!! ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From comptechsadmin-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 15 22:15:50 2009 From: comptechsadmin-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Charles Takacs) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:15:50 -0500 Subject: test In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912151353u410ba599lc4050f2ad2cc6693-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <5160add20912151342q9a3e1c4yeb2de518a5bfd081@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912151353u410ba599lc4050f2ad2cc6693@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5160add20912151415r3846bf25gc988bdcc439396ac@mail.gmail.com> Hi :-) I subscribed to tlug from a new email account and wanted to see if it's working. BTY: When and where is the next meeting ? Best regards Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 16:42, Charles Takacs > wrote: > > test :-) > > > > Whatever you're doing, it seemed to work. > > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 16 00:11:41 2009 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:11:41 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200912151911.41481.dbmacg@look.ca> I use Mandriva, and I find that a monitor directly connected to PS output will be sensed properly and set up by Mandriva. I find that if I go through a KVM switch, Mandriva cannot sense the monitor correctly, and gave me a default screen of 1024 x 768 and a stretched picture. It took a while to figure out that the KVM switch was doing this to me. Duncan On December 15, 2009 10:11:26 am you wrote: > > Hi all; > > I recently bought an LCD monitor for my mother-in-law. She was looking for a square monitor, but all there is nowadays is the widescreen. It's a Samsung 21.5" screen. > > She is using Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (I know, I should upgrade it for her one of these days). With the widescreen, the background picture gets spread out and looks very unnatural. From the settings on the monitor itself, I restricted the screen to a square size. The background looks good, but there's a lot of real estate unnecessarily lost. > > What's the best way to handle a widescreen monitor? I'd be happy with having the background picture cut back to a square, but would like the icons and any open applications to use the full screen. > > I've never heard anyone complain about this before, so it must be something silly I've done or overlooked. > > Thanks for any help. > > John. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Duncan MacGregor -- Toronto -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 16 04:20:27 2009 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:20:27 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091215232027.cf00397e.hgibson@eol.ca> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:11:26 +0000 wrote: > > Hi all; > > I recently bought an LCD monitor for my mother-in-law. She was looking for a square monitor, but all there is nowadays is the widescreen. It's a Samsung 21.5" screen. > > She is using Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (I know, I should upgrade it for her one of these days). With the widescreen, the background picture gets spread out and looks very unnatural. From the settings on the monitor itself, I restricted the screen to a square size. The background looks good, but there's a lot of real estate unnecessarily lost. > > What's the best way to handle a widescreen monitor? I'd be happy with having the background picture cut back to a square, but would like the icons and any open applications to use the full screen. I have just bought a widescreen 21.5" Samsung monitor too. I generated a new background photo with a resolution of 1920x1080. My background looks fine now. I generated a 1280x800 background photo for my laptop. I was not nuts about the wide, flat screen. I am noticing I can place documents full size, side by side on the screen. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 16 15:45:02 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:45:02 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: <200912151911.41481.dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM@public.gmane.org> References: <200912151911.41481.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: <4B29007E.4040209@rogers.com> Duncan MacGregor wrote: > I use Mandriva, and I find that a monitor directly connected to PS output will be sensed properly and set up > by Mandriva. I find that if I go through a KVM switch, Mandriva cannot sense the monitor correctly, and gave me a default screen of 1024 x 768 and a stretched picture. > > It took a while to figure out that the KVM switch was doing this to me. > Are you using VGA connection? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 16 19:08:22 2009 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:08:22 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: <4B29007E.4040209-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200912151911.41481.dbmacg@look.ca> <4B29007E.4040209@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200912161408.22933.dbmacg@look.ca> On December 16, 2009 10:45:02 am you wrote: > Duncan MacGregor wrote: > > I use Mandriva, and I find that a monitor directly connected to PS output will be sensed properly and set up > > by Mandriva. I find that if I go through a KVM switch, Mandriva cannot sense the monitor correctly, and gave me a default screen of 1024 x 768 and a stretched picture. > > > > It took a while to figure out that the KVM switch was doing this to me. > > > Are you using VGA connection? Yes. I found that for Initial device setup, Inital configuration was successful when I bypassed the KVM switch. I used a female-female VGA connector for that. After setup was complete, I could go back to the KVM switch. -- Duncan MacGregor -- Toronto -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 16 21:05:26 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:05:26 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: <200912161408.22933.dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM@public.gmane.org> References: <200912151911.41481.dbmacg@look.ca> <4B29007E.4040209@rogers.com> <200912161408.22933.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: <4B294B96.106@rogers.com> Duncan MacGregor wrote: > On December 16, 2009 10:45:02 am you wrote: > >> Duncan MacGregor wrote: >> >>> I use Mandriva, and I find that a monitor directly connected to PS output will be sensed properly and set up >>> by Mandriva. I find that if I go through a KVM switch, Mandriva cannot sense the monitor correctly, and gave me a default screen of 1024 x 768 and a stretched picture. >>> >>> It took a while to figure out that the KVM switch was doing this to me. >>> >>> >> Are you using VGA connection? >> > Yes. I found that for Initial device setup, > Inital configuration was successful when I bypassed the KVM switch. I used a female-female VGA connector for that. > After setup was complete, I could go back to the KVM switch. > > I guess I have some experimenting to do, when I have a bit of spare time. Kinda busy running around these days. Something about this time of year. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 16 22:00:50 2009 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:00:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: <20091215185151.GD761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B27B4DB.7070108@rogers.com> <506446.16629.qm@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20091215170119.GA761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091215185151.GD761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | If the driver knows the video chip well enough it can set the resolution | itself. Sure. | Only vesa should have any reason to use the BIOS for modes | anymore. Open source drivers for hardware without public specifications have suffered from this. I've even experienced it with Intel open-source drivers (but not recently). | Of course some chips simply can't generate some resolutions. Yes, but not so much these days. Lots of old chips could not generate high resolutions. Frame buffer size sometimes used to be a limitation on resolution too, but not for a long time. | > My KVMs are old enough that the don't pass DDC/EDID. They don't lie. | | Not passing it is pretty close to lying, and pretty pathetic to not | support something that was common on monitors in 1995. When did you | buy these things? They are about 10 years old. The monitor plugged into it is 12 years old. Some of the computers connected to it are about a decade old too; one is two weeks old. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 16 22:29:40 2009 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:29:40 -0500 Subject: OT: How to destroy the earth Message-ID: Evening, http://qntm.org/?destroy Thought the above to be a really interesting read. So if you are a science junkie, you may find it worth a read. William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 16 22:57:37 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:57:37 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: References: <4B27B4DB.7070108@rogers.com> <506446.16629.qm@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20091215170119.GA761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091215185151.GD761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20091216225737.GE761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:00:50PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Open source drivers for hardware without public specifications have > suffered from this. I've even experienced it with Intel open-source > drivers (but not recently). Well there has been some hardware where the video chip may have known specs but the other components on the board could vary by board maker and hence require different register settings to get a given resolution. I belive this used to happen at least on some ATI based cards, especially mobile chip designs. Seems with the current chips almost everything is reference design based, and almost everything is integrated into a single chip so there isn't really any surprises left for the driver makers. > Yes, but not so much these days. Lots of old chips could not generate > high resolutions. Frame buffer size sometimes used to be a limitation > on resolution too, but not for a long time. These days they should not have any real limitations (perhaps a width must be a multiple of 8 and such requirement but not much else). > They are about 10 years old. The monitor plugged into it is 12 years > old. Some of the computers connected to it are about a decade old > too; one is two weeks old. Well pretty pathetic KVM design to ignore such a useful feature that all monitors would have had by then. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 00:20:32 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:20:32 -0500 Subject: OT: looking for a local wikipad Message-ID: <4B297950.4070707@gmail.com> On Windows I use Wikidpad, it is a local wiki notepad, is there something like this for Linux? I don't want to install setup a server etc. http://wikidpad.sourceforge.net/ -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 00:54:51 2009 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:54:51 -0500 Subject: OT: looking for a local wikipad In-Reply-To: <4B297950.4070707-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B297950.4070707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0912161654y1b349e9ak6c8733fe1797ae4@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > On Windows I use Wikidpad, it is a local wiki notepad, is there something > like this for Linux? I don't want to install setup a server etc. Personally, I'm a huge fan of the browser-based TiddlyWiki. In it's most common form, TW is a SPA (single page application). There are server-based implementations as well if you want to scale later. http://www.tiddlywiki.com There are plugins and themes for virtually any taste (far too many to mention!) and runs well in most modern browsers. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ @psema4 Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 01:05:27 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:05:27 -0500 Subject: OT: looking for a local wikipad In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0912161654y1b349e9ak6c8733fe1797ae4-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B297950.4070707@gmail.com> <99a6c38f0912161654y1b349e9ak6c8733fe1797ae4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2983D7.2050005@gmail.com> Scott Elcomb wrote: > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> On Windows I use Wikidpad, it is a local wiki notepad, is there something >> like this for Linux? I don't want to install setup a server etc. > > Personally, I'm a huge fan of the browser-based TiddlyWiki. In it's > most common form, TW is a SPA (single page application). There are > server-based implementations as well if you want to scale later. > > http://www.tiddlywiki.com is everything local when I run the empty.html? I mean I don't want my person data getting saved onto some remote server =) > > There are plugins and themes for virtually any taste (far too many to > mention!) and runs well in most modern browsers. > -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 01:13:38 2009 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:13:38 -0500 Subject: OT: looking for a local wikipad In-Reply-To: <4B2983D7.2050005-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B297950.4070707@gmail.com> <99a6c38f0912161654y1b349e9ak6c8733fe1797ae4@mail.gmail.com> <4B2983D7.2050005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0912161713n213841e5pdab0f8b3a1cda7b3@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > is everything local when I run the empty.html? I mean I don't want my person > data getting saved onto some remote server =) Everything is contained in the .html file (which you'll probably want to rename) including content, plugins, and theme. The only exception is if you want to generate an RSS feed or save backups when you make edits to the file. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ @psema4 Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 03:41:52 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:41:52 -0500 Subject: OT: How to destroy the earth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B29A880.5060202@gmail.com> William Muriithi wrote: > Evening, > > > http://qntm.org/?destroy LoL, its the misguided fools who really mean to save humanity, not the earth, yet they turn on each other like dam idiots! > > > Thought the above to be a really interesting read. So if you are a > science junkie, you may find it worth a read. > > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-r35aSzp7v8jQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 04:28:27 2009 From: daniel-r35aSzp7v8jQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:28:27 -0500 Subject: OT: looking for a local wikipad In-Reply-To: <4B297950.4070707-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B297950.4070707@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > On Windows I use Wikidpad, it is a local wiki notepad, is there something > like this for Linux? I don't want to install setup a server etc. If you are running Gnome you might want to check out Tomboy - http://projects.gnome.org/tomboy/features.html - I haven't used it myself but it was mentioned to me again today and I plan to check it out. Anyone using it? -- Daniel Armstrong http://wooush.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 05:02:53 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:02:53 -0500 Subject: OT: looking for a local wikipad In-Reply-To: References: <4B297950.4070707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B29BB7D.8080208@gmail.com> Daniel Armstrong wrote: > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> On Windows I use Wikidpad, it is a local wiki notepad, is there something >> like this for Linux? I don't want to install setup a server etc. > > If you are running Gnome you might want to check out Tomboy - > http://projects.gnome.org/tomboy/features.html - I haven't used it > myself but it was mentioned to me again today and I plan to check it > out. > > Anyone using it? > FYI: I just installed it (tomboy) my KDE, you don't need to be running on Gnome. If you're on ubuntu or debain missing dependencies will usually get downloaded. In my case I didn't need to download anything other than Tomboy. Tomboy is just ok, I don't like that fact that it needs to open a new notepad when I jump from topic to topic. I don't see a way in the setting to be able to navigate in a single view. 1) I also don't like having to use the menu to markup text i.e making it bold or highlighted 2) Would also be nice to display a parent/child tree structure like wikidpad does. I find that more useful than a list of notes. For what it's worth I prefer Scott's mention of 'TiddlyWiki', nothing to install, works like you come to expect a wiki should work, plus you have good search support. I ended up purge(ing) tomboy. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 05:13:39 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:13:39 -0500 Subject: OT: looking for a local wikipad In-Reply-To: <4B29BB7D.8080208-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B297950.4070707@gmail.com> <4B29BB7D.8080208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B29BE03.6080203@gmail.com> Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Daniel Armstrong wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Rajinder Yadav >> wrote: >>> On Windows I use Wikidpad, it is a local wiki notepad, is there >>> something >>> like this for Linux? I don't want to install setup a server etc. >> >> If you are running Gnome you might want to check out Tomboy - >> http://projects.gnome.org/tomboy/features.html - I haven't used it >> myself but it was mentioned to me again today and I plan to check it >> out. >> >> Anyone using it? >> > FYI: I just installed it (tomboy) my KDE, you don't need to be running > on Gnome. If you're on ubuntu or debain missing dependencies will > usually get downloaded. In my case I didn't need to download anything > other than Tomboy. > > Tomboy is just ok, I don't like that fact that it needs to open a new > notepad when I jump from topic to topic. I don't see a way in the > setting to be able to navigate in a single view. > > 1) I also don't like having to use the menu to markup text i.e making it > bold or highlighted > > 2) Would also be nice to display a parent/child tree structure like > wikidpad does. I find that more useful than a list of notes. > > For what it's worth I prefer Scott's mention of 'TiddlyWiki', nothing to > install, works like you come to expect a wiki should work, plus you have > good search support. > > I ended up purge(ing) tomboy. > The other nice thing about TiddlyWiki, is the ability to create tags for each wiki page. Daniel, you might want to take a look at this also over tomboy. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 05:20:02 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:20:02 -0500 Subject: apt-get vs aptitude Message-ID: <4B29BF82.3030705@gmail.com> What is the difference between using apt-get and aptitude to install packages? I'm using aptitude because if I recall correctly it manages the package dependencies better, where as apt-get will not. I recall having to use synaptic to fix a problem once and that when I stopped using apt-get. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 06:11:20 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:11:20 -0500 Subject: apt-get vs aptitude In-Reply-To: <4B29BF82.3030705-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B29BF82.3030705@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > What is the difference between using apt-get and aptitude to install > packages? > > I'm using aptitude because if I recall correctly it manages the package > dependencies better, where as apt-get will not. I recall having to use > synaptic to fix a problem once and that when I stopped using apt-get. The essential difference is that aptitude represents a "captive, GUI-ish" interface (albeit in a terminal window) whereas apt-get is purely scriptable/commandable. aptitude is a bit nicer at handling the interaction where you're not quite sure what you want to install, and want to browse + select + browse some more before deciding what to commit to. apt-get is perfectly good at coping with installing particular packages or sets thereof, as long as you have already identified those sets. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Stephen Leacock - "I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I shall some day die, which is not so." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 06:15:07 2009 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:15:07 -0500 Subject: apt-get vs aptitude In-Reply-To: <4B29BF82.3030705-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B29BF82.3030705@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > What is the difference between using apt-get and aptitude to install > packages? > > I'm using aptitude because if I recall correctly it manages the package > dependencies better, where as apt-get will not. I recall having to use > synaptic to fix a problem once and that when I stopped using apt-get. > I am by no means an expert, but what I've noticed in general usage is that aptitude will remove any packages which are 'not required' by default, whereas apt-get will not. For example, in my case, because I do not have Gnome's Network Manager installed (because it sucks), aptitude will automatically remove all of the Gnome Desktop if I let it. As with anything, when you're using aptitude, be careful that you always read the prompts and are sure you understand before you say 'Yes' :-) -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 06:35:06 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:35:06 -0500 Subject: apt-get vs aptitude In-Reply-To: References: <4B29BF82.3030705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B29D11A.8080909@gmail.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> What is the difference between using apt-get and aptitude to install >> packages? >> >> I'm using aptitude because if I recall correctly it manages the package >> dependencies better, where as apt-get will not. I recall having to use >> synaptic to fix a problem once and that when I stopped using apt-get. > > The essential difference is that aptitude represents a "captive, > GUI-ish" interface (albeit in a terminal window) whereas apt-get is > purely scriptable/commandable. GUI? are we using the same aptitude =) I am using the command line on kubuntu: i.e. 'sudo aptitude install ' the only gui package installed I see are kpackagekit and synaptic > aptitude is a bit nicer at handling the interaction where you're not > quite sure what you want to install, and want to browse + select + > browse some more before deciding what to commit to. > > apt-get is perfectly good at coping with installing particular > packages or sets thereof, as long as you have already identified those > sets. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 06:38:53 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:38:53 -0500 Subject: apt-get vs aptitude In-Reply-To: References: <4B29BF82.3030705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B29D1FD.1090001@gmail.com> Thomas Milne wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> What is the difference between using apt-get and aptitude to install >> packages? >> >> I'm using aptitude because if I recall correctly it manages the package >> dependencies better, where as apt-get will not. I recall having to use >> synaptic to fix a problem once and that when I stopped using apt-get. >> > > I am by no means an expert, but what I've noticed in general usage is > that aptitude will remove any packages which are 'not required' by > default, whereas apt-get will not. > > For example, in my case, because I do not have Gnome's Network Manager > installed (because it sucks), aptitude will automatically remove all > of the Gnome Desktop if I let it. this is not the case when you're installing stuff, i want to know what is the diff for installing packages betweek apt-get and aptitude. btw, i think i blew away a few gnome things when i purge tomboy with aptitude a while ago on my system =) i don't think any other package is using those gnome stuff so I didn't care. > > As with anything, when you're using aptitude, be careful that you > always read the prompts and are sure you understand before you say > 'Yes' :-) > -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 07:46:22 2009 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 02:46:22 -0500 Subject: apt-get vs aptitude In-Reply-To: <4B29D11A.8080909-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B29BF82.3030705@gmail.com> <4B29D11A.8080909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B29E1CE.80308@golden.net> Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Christopher Browne wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Rajinder Yadav >> wrote: >>> What is the difference between using apt-get and aptitude to install >>> packages? >>> >>> I'm using aptitude because if I recall correctly it manages the package >>> dependencies better, where as apt-get will not. I recall having to use >>> synaptic to fix a problem once and that when I stopped using apt-get. >> >> The essential difference is that aptitude represents a "captive, >> GUI-ish" interface (albeit in a terminal window) whereas apt-get is >> purely scriptable/commandable. > > GUI? are we using the same aptitude =) I am using the command line on > kubuntu: > > i.e. 'sudo aptitude install ' > > the only gui package installed I see are kpackagekit and synaptic type aptitude and you get a gui. http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude http://wiki.debian.org/Apt http://wiki.debian.org/apt-get John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 12:09:15 2009 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:09:15 -0300 Subject: apt-get vs aptitude In-Reply-To: <4B29E1CE.80308-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B29BF82.3030705@gmail.com> <4B29D11A.8080909@gmail.com> <4B29E1CE.80308@golden.net> Message-ID: <1089a0320912170409u57cbcf95wcd28e16244138a06@mail.gmail.com> Hi there, Some months ago I wrote a litle article about this difference: aptitude vs apt-get. Unfortunately it's in Portuguese, but if you want to read its you can use google translate. A short summary: What many people do not know is that using the command "apt-get install package_name" some packages will be installed as dependencies that won't be automatically remove later. I mean, you'll have and accumulation of garbage in your system. How? Let's suppose I want to install an instant messenger application such as aMSN. This tool has dependencies required fot its operation like TCL and TK. The following command will install the amsn with its dependencies: # apt-get install amsn Great! Now I have my messenger properly installed, without any difficult and running smoothly. BUt now I decided to remove this tool. # apt-get remove amsn Perfect! My amsn is uninstalled without difficulty. But, what about those two packages? TCL and TK? They are still installed, making a certain accumulation of garbage in your system. The same will happens with all the packages that are installed in your system and eventually removed with apt-get. What about aptitude? In installation, aptitude would be very similar, for example: # aptitude install amsn Like apt-get, aptitude will automatically install the dependencies of aMSN, like TCL and TK. Yeah, I wanna remove it now. # aptitude remove amsn Surprise! TCL and TK were removed too. It's not magic guys! :D Aptitude will check if TCL and TK are necessary to other packages in the system. If not, it will remove then. ;] My 2 cents... --- - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org - KDE Brasil Member - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:46 AM, John Myshrall wrote: > Rajinder Yadav wrote: > >> Christopher Browne wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Rajinder Yadav >>> wrote: >>> >>>> What is the difference between using apt-get and aptitude to install >>>> packages? >>>> >>>> I'm using aptitude because if I recall correctly it manages the package >>>> dependencies better, where as apt-get will not. I recall having to use >>>> synaptic to fix a problem once and that when I stopped using apt-get. >>>> >>> >>> The essential difference is that aptitude represents a "captive, >>> GUI-ish" interface (albeit in a terminal window) whereas apt-get is >>> purely scriptable/commandable. >>> >> >> GUI? are we using the same aptitude =) I am using the command line on >> kubuntu: >> >> i.e. 'sudo aptitude install ' >> >> the only gui package installed I see are kpackagekit and synaptic >> > type aptitude and you get a gui. > > http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude > > http://wiki.debian.org/Apt > > http://wiki.debian.org/apt-get > > John > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 12:26:16 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:26:16 -0500 Subject: Is there interest in a talk on clustering? Message-ID: <4B2A2368.5050008@alteeve.com> Before you answer, I want to mention a concern... I've been doing a fair bit on clustering lately, and have successfully gotten two-node clusters working designed to run virtual machines that can be moved between nodes on the fly. I think I could see this being of potential interest to TLUG as a talk. However, It's a sufficiently involved topic that, given the two hour window of a talk, I don't think I'd be able to cover everything needed to actually build a cluster. For this reason, I've been debating offering it up as a talk. I've been thinking about ways to make a talk useful, and am still not sure how I could do that... So the second part of this question is; Given a limited time frame, what would you guys like to hear about with regard to clustering? What would be helpful? Anyway, I'm just throwing this out here at this point to get some feedback and to see if there is any real interest. If there is, and I can think of something useful to cover, I'd probably be looking at an April talk. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vic-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 13:32:22 2009 From: vic-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org (Vic Gedris) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:32:22 -0500 Subject: OT: looking for a local wikipad In-Reply-To: <4B297950.4070707-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B297950.4070707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9858fafd0912170532p4da822acocde905075f4b961@mail.gmail.com> Going back to the original post here... Did you see there are instructions for installing WikidPad on Linux? http://wikidpad.python-hosting.com/wiki/InstallLinux On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > On Windows I use Wikidpad, it is a local wiki notepad, is there something > like this for Linux? I don't want to install setup a server etc. > > http://wikidpad.sourceforge.net/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 15:14:59 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:14:59 -0500 Subject: OT: looking for a local wikipad In-Reply-To: <4B297950.4070707-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B297950.4070707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2A4AF3.80807@rogers.com> Rajinder Yadav wrote: > On Windows I use Wikidpad, it is a local wiki notepad, is there > something like this for Linux? I don't want to install setup a server > etc. > > http://wikidpad.sourceforge.net/ > I use "Basket Note Pads". http://basket.kde.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 15:25:54 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:25:54 -0500 Subject: OT: looking for a local wikipad In-Reply-To: <4B29BB7D.8080208-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B297950.4070707@gmail.com> <4B29BB7D.8080208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2A4D82.4080100@rogers.com> Rajinder Yadav wrote: > I: I just installed it (tomboy) my KDE, you don't need to be running > on Gnome. If you're on ubuntu or debain missing dependencies will > usually get downloaded. In my case I didn't need to download anything > other than Tomboy. > > Tomboy is just ok, I don't like that fact that it needs to open a new > notepad when I jump from topic to topic. I don't see a way in the > setting to be able to navigate in a single view. > > 1) I also don't like having to use the menu to markup text i.e making > it bold or highlighted > > 2) Would also be nice to display a parent/child tree structure like > wikidpad does. I find that more useful than a list of notes. > > For what it's worth I prefer Scott's mention of 'TiddlyWiki', nothing > to install, works like you come to expect a wiki should work, plus you > have good search support. > > I ended up purge(ing) tomboy. > Try "Basket Note Pads". It'll do what you want. I sent you the link in another message. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 15:31:01 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:31:01 -0500 Subject: apt-get vs aptitude In-Reply-To: <4B29BF82.3030705-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B29BF82.3030705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091217153101.GF761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:20:02AM -0500, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > What is the difference between using apt-get and aptitude to install > packages? > > I'm using aptitude because if I recall correctly it manages the package > dependencies better, where as apt-get will not. I recall having to use > synaptic to fix a problem once and that when I stopped using apt-get. aptitude is newer and more advanced and does have a better system to deal with dependancies. Debian in fact recommends the use of aptitude these days as the main command line tool. I still use apt-get, probably because I am used to typing that and I find aptitude asks too many questions. aptitude is certainly also better than synaptic at dealing with dependancies. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 15:31:45 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:31:45 -0500 Subject: apt-get vs aptitude In-Reply-To: References: <4B29BF82.3030705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091217153145.GG761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 01:11:20AM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > > What is the difference between using apt-get and aptitude to install > > packages? > > > > I'm using aptitude because if I recall correctly it manages the package > > dependencies better, where as apt-get will not. I recall having to use > > synaptic to fix a problem once and that when I stopped using apt-get. > > The essential difference is that aptitude represents a "captive, > GUI-ish" interface (albeit in a terminal window) whereas apt-get is > purely scriptable/commandable. I believe in almost all cases you can replace apt-get with aptitude and use the same command line. aptitude has a curses interface, but also has command line scriptability. > aptitude is a bit nicer at handling the interaction where you're not > quite sure what you want to install, and want to browse + select + > browse some more before deciding what to commit to. > > apt-get is perfectly good at coping with installing particular > packages or sets thereof, as long as you have already identified those > sets. -- Len SOrensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 15:32:52 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:32:52 -0500 Subject: apt-get vs aptitude In-Reply-To: <1089a0320912170409u57cbcf95wcd28e16244138a06-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B29BF82.3030705@gmail.com> <4B29D11A.8080909@gmail.com> <4B29E1CE.80308@golden.net> <1089a0320912170409u57cbcf95wcd28e16244138a06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091217153252.GH761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:09:15AM -0300, Marcelo Cavalcante wrote: > Some months ago I wrote a litle article about this difference: aptitude vs > apt-get. > > Unfortunately it's in Portuguese, but if you want to read its you can use > google translate. > > A short summary: > > What many people do not know is that using the command "apt-get install > package_name" some packages will be installed as dependencies that won't be > automatically remove later. I mean, you'll have and accumulation of garbage > in your system. How? > > Let's suppose I want to install an instant messenger application such as > aMSN. This tool has dependencies required fot its operation like TCL and TK. > > The following command will install the amsn with its dependencies: > > # apt-get install amsn > > Great! Now I have my messenger properly installed, without any difficult and > running smoothly. BUt now I decided to remove this tool. > > # apt-get remove amsn > > Perfect! My amsn is uninstalled without difficulty. > > But, what about those two packages? TCL and TK? > > They are still installed, making a certain accumulation of garbage in your > system. The same will happens with all the packages that are installed in > your system and eventually removed with apt-get. > > What about aptitude? > > In installation, aptitude would be very similar, for example: > > # aptitude install amsn > > Like apt-get, aptitude will automatically install the dependencies of aMSN, > like TCL and TK. > > Yeah, I wanna remove it now. > > # aptitude remove amsn > > Surprise! TCL and TK were removed too. > > It's not magic guys! :D > > Aptitude will check if TCL and TK are necessary to other packages in the > system. If not, it will remove then. apt-get autoremove will however clean up for you, but yes aptitude makes it simpler. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 15:55:29 2009 From: tbrucemilne-TcoXwbchSccMMYnvST3LeUB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org (Thomas Milne) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:55:29 -0500 Subject: apt-get vs aptitude In-Reply-To: <4B29D1FD.1090001-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B29BF82.3030705@gmail.com> <4B29D1FD.1090001@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Thomas Milne wrote: >> >> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Rajinder Yadav >> wrote: >>> >>> What is the difference between using apt-get and aptitude to install >>> packages? >>> >>> I'm using aptitude because if I recall correctly it manages the package >>> dependencies better, where as apt-get will not. I recall having to use >>> synaptic to fix a problem once and that when I stopped using apt-get. >>> >> >> I am by no means an expert, but what I've noticed in general usage is >> that aptitude will remove any packages which are 'not required' by >> default, whereas apt-get will not. >> >> For example, in my case, because I do not have Gnome's Network Manager >> installed (because it sucks), aptitude will automatically remove all >> of the Gnome Desktop if I let it. > > this is not the case when you're installing stuff, Actually, it is the case no matter what you are doing. If there are packages that aptitude sees as 'not required', ie. nothing depends on them and they were installed automatically, they will be removed whenever you run aptitude, installing or removing. > i want to know what is the diff for installing packages betweek apt-get and aptitude. Dependencies are managed in the same way. Aptitude is just supposed to be a more user-friendly front end as far as I can tell. Same packages get installed. > btw, i think i blew away a few gnome things when i purge tomboy with > aptitude a while ago on my system =) i don't think any other package is > using those gnome stuff so I didn't care. > >> >> As with anything, when you're using aptitude, be careful that you >> always read the prompts and are sure you understand before you say >> 'Yes' :-) >> > -- TBM -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 15:57:43 2009 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:57:43 -0500 Subject: OT: How to destroy the earth In-Reply-To: <4B29A880.5060202-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B29A880.5060202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0912170757m7a61c0cdy6122ab8a179f05c4@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > William Muriithi wrote: >> >> Evening, >> >> >> http://qntm.org/?destroy > > LoL, its the misguided fools who really mean to save humanity, not the > earth, yet they turn on each other like dam idiots! At first I was thinking wtf - who'd want to destroy the world? So of course, I had to look. It was a fun read; a couple of the ideas that popped into my head were later debunked so now I'm a little put out. Guess I'll have to go back to my evil genius' book and run some more simulations. >-) http://www.gamedev.net/columns/books/bookdetails.asp?ProductID=705 (The book focuses on Java; besides that it's quite suitable for - and targetted to - budding teen programmers. Reminds me of the good ol' days and the programming texts I used to read as a kid.) -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ @psema4 Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 16:28:14 2009 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:28:14 -0500 Subject: Is there interest in a talk on clustering? In-Reply-To: <4B2A2368.5050008-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2A2368.5050008@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Morning Madi 2009/12/17 Madison Kelly : > Before you answer, I want to mention a concern... > > I've been doing a fair bit on clustering lately, and have successfully > gotten two-node clusters working designed to run virtual machines that can > be moved between nodes on the fly. I think I could see this being of > potential interest to TLUG as a talk. I think there would be interest. I for one would be very happy to hear about it > However, > > It's a sufficiently involved topic that, given the two hour window of a > talk, I don't think I'd be able to cover everything needed to actually build > a cluster. For this reason, I've been debating offering it up as a talk. > I've been thinking about ways to make a talk useful, and am still not sure > how I could do that... So the second part of this question is; Given a > limited time frame, what would you guys like to hear about with regard to > clustering? What would be helpful? This is definitely not a simple talk. I think there is no way you can present it in details all across, especially as it involve lots of technologies. I mean, it involve virtualization, networking (VRRP), LVM or cluster file system, DBRD or SAN storage just to name a few. The only way you can deliver it in time is to generalize some of the content. If I was in your shoe, I would skim over simple stuff, things that tend to work easily and spend most of the time were really hard to get going. When I mean skim, I mean mention it just enough that one can tell how its related to the main talk, alternatives and their advantages/disadvantages etc. The meat of the talk I assume would be DBRD and HA. For these two services, you can go deep as explaining every section of the configuration file, so the lion share of time should go toward these two in my humble opinion And to be frank, they also tend to be the hardest to get going, all the more justifying the extra effort needed there. Ok, I admit cluster file system is also a pain, but one has to make a choice. You can also consider sending out the presentation before the talk - people can look at it and be up to speed when you are presenting. Or else share your notes on the project at the end of presentation and everyone can look at the detailed stuff later and fill up the gaps. In short, the listerners also have to do a bit of homework as the time will not be enough for very detailed talk. > > Anyway, I'm just throwing this out here at this point to get some feedback > and to see if there is any real interest. If there is, and I can think of > something useful to cover, I'd probably be looking at an April talk. > > Madi Anyway, thats just my 2 cents > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 19:51:25 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:51:25 -0500 Subject: Is there interest in a talk on clustering? In-Reply-To: References: <4B2A2368.5050008@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B2A8BBD.40100@alteeve.com> William Muriithi wrote: > Morning Madi > > 2009/12/17 Madison Kelly >: > > Before you answer, I want to mention a concern... > > > > I've been doing a fair bit on clustering lately, and have successfully > > gotten two-node clusters working designed to run virtual machines > that can > > be moved between nodes on the fly. I think I could see this being of > > potential interest to TLUG as a talk. > > I think there would be interest. I for one would be very happy to hear > about it Woot. Anyone else? > > However, > > > > It's a sufficiently involved topic that, given the two hour window of a > > talk, I don't think I'd be able to cover everything needed to > actually build > > a cluster. For this reason, I've been debating offering it up as a talk. > > I've been thinking about ways to make a talk useful, and am still not > sure > > how I could do that... So the second part of this question is; Given a > > limited time frame, what would you guys like to hear about with regard to > > clustering? What would be helpful? > > This is definitely not a simple talk. I think there is no way you can > present it in details all across, especially as it involve lots of > technologies. > I mean, it involve virtualization, networking (VRRP), LVM or cluster > file system, DBRD or SAN storage just to name a few. The only way you > can deliver it in time is to generalize some of the content. > > If I was in your shoe, I would skim over simple stuff, things that tend > to work easily and spend most of the time were really hard to get going. > When I mean skim, I mean mention it just enough that one can tell how > its related to the main talk, alternatives and their > advantages/disadvantages etc. > > The meat of the talk I assume would be DBRD and HA. For these two > services, you can go deep as explaining every section of the > configuration file, so the lion share of time should go toward these two > in my humble opinion And to be frank, they also tend to be the hardest > to get going, all the more justifying the extra effort needed there. Ok, > I admit cluster file system is also a pain, but one has to make a choice. > > You can also consider sending out the presentation before the talk - > people can look at it and be up to speed when you are presenting. Or > else share your notes on the project at the end of presentation and > everyone can look at the detailed stuff later and fill up the gaps. In > short, the listerners also have to do a bit of homework as the time will > not be enough for very detailed talk. I think I'd approach the first talk from the point of view of building a DRBD+LVM 2-node cluster running Redhat cluster software on CentOS 5 hosting Xen virtual machines. I like the idea of glossing over certain things in the talk, but I think I will create a more detailed document that covers everything in proper detail. I can already think of the major "gotchas" that caused me to burn so much time getting things going. > > > > Anyway, I'm just throwing this out here at this point to get some > feedback > > and to see if there is any real interest. If there is, and I can think of > > something useful to cover, I'd probably be looking at an April talk. > > > > Madi > > Anyway, thats just my 2 cents It's appreciated. I've asked to be booked in for May, but that is still contingent on others showing interest. It's a topic sufficiently in a corner that there may not be broad enough interest in a generalized group like TLUG. I suspect there will be, but I'd rather not make that assumption. :) If it doesn't happen in TLUG, I've contemplated hosting my own little (free, obviously) workshop on clustering. I suspect I could talk my boss into letting me use some office space on some Saturday. :P Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 20:09:51 2009 From: vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jon VanAlten) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:09:51 -0500 Subject: Is there interest in a talk on clustering? In-Reply-To: <4B2A8BBD.40100-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2A2368.5050008@alteeve.com> <4B2A8BBD.40100@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <5390d2750912171209x6155ef2pa8be9d67564f5d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: > William Muriithi wrote: >> I think there would be interest. I for one would be very happy to hear >> about it > > Woot. Anyone else? > +1 cheers, jon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 21:35:23 2009 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:35:23 -0500 Subject: apt-get vs aptitude In-Reply-To: <1089a0320912170409u57cbcf95wcd28e16244138a06-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B29BF82.3030705@gmail.com> <4B29D11A.8080909@gmail.com> <4B29E1CE.80308@golden.net> <1089a0320912170409u57cbcf95wcd28e16244138a06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2AA41B.2020107@linuxcaffe.ca> Marcelo Cavalcante wrote: > Hi there, > > Some months ago I wrote a litle article about this difference: aptitude vs > apt-get. > > Unfortunately it's in Portuguese, but if you want to read its you can use > google translate. > > A short summary: Thanks Marcello ! I've been using aptitude at the cli (and gui) because Seneca told me to, now I understand why ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinpdavidson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 21:37:43 2009 From: colinpdavidson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (colin davidson) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:37:43 -0500 Subject: Is there interest in a talk on clustering? In-Reply-To: <5390d2750912171209x6155ef2pa8be9d67564f5d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2A2368.5050008@alteeve.com> <4B2A8BBD.40100@alteeve.com> <5390d2750912171209x6155ef2pa8be9d67564f5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'd be interested. Also, if there is too much for a single presentation, could it be broken down into several. For instance: - An introduction to clustering, what it's good for and how to set up a basic cluster. - Virtualization, KVM, XEN (and others) pros, and gotchas. - Virtual Machines on clusters, starting, stopping, migrating etc. and so on... Cheers, Colin On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Jon VanAlten wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: >> William Muriithi wrote: >>> I think there would be interest. I for one would be very happy to hear >>> about it >> >> Woot. Anyone else? >> > > +1 > > cheers, > > jon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 22:59:45 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:59:45 -0500 Subject: Is there interest in a talk on clustering? In-Reply-To: References: <4B2A2368.5050008@alteeve.com> <4B2A8BBD.40100@alteeve.com> <5390d2750912171209x6155ef2pa8be9d67564f5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2AB7E1.10405@alteeve.com> colin davidson wrote: > I'd be interested. Also, if there is too much for a single > presentation, could it be broken down into several. > > For instance: > > - An introduction to clustering, what it's good for and how to set up > a basic cluster. > - Virtualization, KVM, XEN (and others) pros, and gotchas. > - Virtual Machines on clusters, starting, stopping, migrating etc. > > and so on... > > Cheers, Colin I thought about that, but I'd be worried about a) dominating the talk schedule and b) the ungodly amount of work it would take to do each. Anywho, I'm thinking of a specific build that would incorporate most of your list... I've also been thinking about doing a follow up "seminar" type deal similar to what I suggested earlier. If I do the talk, and it's looking like there is enough interest, then I may do a Saturday/Weekend thing anyway where I can talk the time and those with enough interest and actually work through a build of an actual cluster. The only real trick to that is coming up with the money for enough proper hardware to use... Something I want to do anyway, so it's more a question of "financial timing". :P Anyway, I've been giving this a fair bit of thought today and I think I have a rough idea of what I can reasonably cover in a two-hour talk that would still be useful. Basically; - What is a cluster and what isn't it. - What are the different types of clusters. - What problems clusters solve and what problems they introduce. - Cluster-specific terminology, hardware and software. - A (very) quick overview of Xen; What is it, what is domO vs domU. - Overview of an example 2-node cluster using shared storage via DRBD+LVM hosting Xen VMs - How networking in the above clustering works... one *big* gotcha. - How to make a cluster stable. "A running cluster is not, in itself, a stable cluster (another huge gotcha)! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 23:02:44 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:02:44 -0500 Subject: Is there interest in a talk on clustering? In-Reply-To: References: <4B2A2368.5050008@alteeve.com> <4B2A8BBD.40100@alteeve.com> <5390d2750912171209x6155ef2pa8be9d67564f5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:37 PM, colin davidson wrote: > I'd be interested. Also, if there is too much for a single > presentation, could it be broken down into several. > > For instance: > > - An introduction to clustering, what it's good for and how to set up > a basic cluster. > - Virtualization, KVM, XEN (and others) pros, and gotchas. > - Virtual Machines on clusters, starting, stopping, migrating etc. It seems to me that clustering and virtualization should be treated separately, notably since we have had a number of talks on the latter over the last couple of years. There are more than plenty of clustering issues dealing with the handling of failures where VM hasn't necessarily got a lot to say. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Pablo Picasso - "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 17 23:20:41 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:20:41 -0500 Subject: Is there interest in a talk on clustering? In-Reply-To: References: <4B2A2368.5050008@alteeve.com> <4B2A8BBD.40100@alteeve.com> <5390d2750912171209x6155ef2pa8be9d67564f5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2ABCC9.8020001@alteeve.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:37 PM, colin davidson > wrote: >> I'd be interested. Also, if there is too much for a single >> presentation, could it be broken down into several. >> >> For instance: >> >> - An introduction to clustering, what it's good for and how to set up >> a basic cluster. >> - Virtualization, KVM, XEN (and others) pros, and gotchas. >> - Virtual Machines on clusters, starting, stopping, migrating etc. > > It seems to me that clustering and virtualization should be treated > separately, notably since we have had a number of talks on the latter > over the last couple of years. > > There are more than plenty of clustering issues dealing with the > handling of failures where VM hasn't necessarily got a lot to say. Noted, I'll keep the Xen portion to a minimum or out all together. My only real interest with Xen at this point was to introduce the networking aspect of Xen in a cluster, but if Xen has been covered, then I may not need to bring it up. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 06:36:49 2009 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:36:49 -0500 Subject: Is there interest in a talk on clustering? In-Reply-To: <4B2ABCC9.8020001-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2A2368.5050008@alteeve.com> <4B2A8BBD.40100@alteeve.com> <5390d2750912171209x6155ef2pa8be9d67564f5d@mail.gmail.com> <4B2ABCC9.8020001@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B2B2301.7020608@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Noted, I'll keep the Xen portion to a minimum or out all together. My > only real interest with Xen at this point was to introduce the > networking aspect of Xen in a cluster, but if Xen has been covered, then > I may not need to bring it up. +1 on the clustering talk, and agree that Xen is a separate topic. Would a bunch of old x86 boxes, plus an old network hub, be enough hardware to set up a cluster sandbox? -- Yanni -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 09:49:05 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:49:05 -0500 Subject: OT: looking for a local wikipad In-Reply-To: <9858fafd0912170532p4da822acocde905075f4b961-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B297950.4070707@gmail.com> <9858fafd0912170532p4da822acocde905075f4b961@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2B5011.9060200@gmail.com> Vic Gedris wrote: > Going back to the original post here... Did you see there are > instructions for installing WikidPad on Linux? > > http://wikidpad.python-hosting.com/wiki/InstallLinux > > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> On Windows I use Wikidpad, it is a local wiki notepad, is there something >> like this for Linux? I don't want to install setup a server etc. >> >> http://wikidpad.sourceforge.net/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > That linux support is something new! although I don't like the word 'experimental' or 'generally' it runs well. I don't want to accumulate a lot of notes and generally one day it's broken =P ... I'm not feeling adventurous! -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 09:50:02 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:50:02 -0500 Subject: OT: looking for a local wikipad In-Reply-To: <4B2A4AF3.80807-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B297950.4070707@gmail.com> <4B2A4AF3.80807@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4B2B504A.8020908@gmail.com> James Knott wrote: > Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> On Windows I use Wikidpad, it is a local wiki notepad, is there >> something like this for Linux? I don't want to install setup a server >> etc. >> >> http://wikidpad.sourceforge.net/ >> > I use "Basket Note Pads". > http://basket.kde.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > This looks cool =) thanks James! -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 10:55:57 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:55:57 -0500 Subject: apt-get vs aptitude In-Reply-To: <20091217153101.GF761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B29BF82.3030705@gmail.com> <20091217153101.GF761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4B2B5FBD.2080906@gmail.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:20:02AM -0500, Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> What is the difference between using apt-get and aptitude to install >> packages? >> >> I'm using aptitude because if I recall correctly it manages the package >> dependencies better, where as apt-get will not. I recall having to use >> synaptic to fix a problem once and that when I stopped using apt-get. > > aptitude is newer and more advanced and does have a better system to > deal with dependancies. Debian in fact recommends the use of aptitude > these days as the main command line tool. I still use apt-get, probably > because I am used to typing that and I find aptitude asks too many > questions. I forced myself to learn to type aptitude, I started off using apt-get, but I posted earlier, one day something broke, a require dependency did not get installed and ever since then I've been using aptitude with no issues. > > aptitude is certainly also better than synaptic at dealing with > dependancies. > -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 10:58:07 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:58:07 -0500 Subject: apt-get vs aptitude In-Reply-To: <4B29E1CE.80308-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B29BF82.3030705@gmail.com> <4B29D11A.8080909@gmail.com> <4B29E1CE.80308@golden.net> Message-ID: <4B2B603F.2070208@gmail.com> John Myshrall wrote: > Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> Christopher Browne wrote: >>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Rajinder Yadav >>> wrote: >>>> What is the difference between using apt-get and aptitude to install >>>> packages? >>>> >>>> I'm using aptitude because if I recall correctly it manages the package >>>> dependencies better, where as apt-get will not. I recall having to use >>>> synaptic to fix a problem once and that when I stopped using apt-get. >>> >>> The essential difference is that aptitude represents a "captive, >>> GUI-ish" interface (albeit in a terminal window) whereas apt-get is >>> purely scriptable/commandable. >> >> GUI? are we using the same aptitude =) I am using the command line on >> kubuntu: >> >> i.e. 'sudo aptitude install ' >> >> the only gui package installed I see are kpackagekit and synaptic > type aptitude and you get a gui. funny I recall the CUI now but for some reason I blocked it out of my mind? I guess I wanted to feel like a super geek typing in commands =P > http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude > > http://wiki.debian.org/Apt > > http://wiki.debian.org/apt-get > > John > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 15:07:17 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:07:17 -0500 Subject: Is there interest in a talk on clustering? In-Reply-To: <4B2B2301.7020608-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2A2368.5050008@alteeve.com> <4B2A8BBD.40100@alteeve.com> <5390d2750912171209x6155ef2pa8be9d67564f5d@mail.gmail.com> <4B2ABCC9.8020001@alteeve.com> <4B2B2301.7020608@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4B2B9AA5.8010309@alteeve.com> Yanni Chiu wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: >> Noted, I'll keep the Xen portion to a minimum or out all together. My >> only real interest with Xen at this point was to introduce the >> networking aspect of Xen in a cluster, but if Xen has been covered, >> then I may not need to bring it up. > > +1 on the clustering talk, and agree that Xen is a separate topic. > > Would a bunch of old x86 boxes, plus an old network hub, be enough > hardware to set up a cluster sandbox? Thanks for the input! Xen will definitely be set aside. As for the hardware, unfortunately, probably not. One of the "gotcha's" I ran into was not paying attention to the right kind of hardware. I'll need mainoards with IPMI/Lightsout type controllers. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 17:14:33 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:14:33 -0500 Subject: Is there interest in a talk on clustering? In-Reply-To: <4B2B9AA5.8010309-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2A2368.5050008@alteeve.com> <4B2A8BBD.40100@alteeve.com> <5390d2750912171209x6155ef2pa8be9d67564f5d@mail.gmail.com> <4B2ABCC9.8020001@alteeve.com> <4B2B2301.7020608@rogers.com> <4B2B9AA5.8010309@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B2BB879.2090502@moores.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > Yanni Chiu wrote: >> >> Would a bunch of old x86 boxes, plus an old network hub, be enough >> hardware to set up a cluster sandbox? > > Thanks for the input! Xen will definitely be set aside. > > As for the hardware, unfortunately, probably not. One of the "gotcha's" > I ran into was not paying attention to the right kind of hardware. I'll > need mainoards with IPMI/Lightsout type controllers. > Errm, setting Xen aside as a discussion for another day does not mean you can't use it now for a sandbox. I set up quite a nice sandbox with vmware for my own cluster experiments. Now of course you lose some of the drama by not having two separate boxes and a big knife switch that sparks when to apply a remove power, so you can toggle the power in some mad scientist kind of a way. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 17:19:17 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:19:17 -0500 Subject: Is there interest in a talk on clustering? In-Reply-To: <4B2B2301.7020608-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2A2368.5050008@alteeve.com> <4B2A8BBD.40100@alteeve.com> <5390d2750912171209x6155ef2pa8be9d67564f5d@mail.gmail.com> <4B2ABCC9.8020001@alteeve.com> <4B2B2301.7020608@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4B2BB995.6020307@rogers.com> Yanni Chiu wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: >> Noted, I'll keep the Xen portion to a minimum or out all together. My >> only real interest with Xen at this point was to introduce the >> networking aspect of Xen in a cluster, but if Xen has been covered, >> then I may not need to bring it up. > > +1 on the clustering talk, and agree that Xen is a separate topic. > > Would a bunch of old x86 boxes, plus an old network hub, be enough > hardware to set up a cluster sandbox? > Get rid of the hub and use a switch. A hub will really kill network performance when you have a lot of traffic. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 17:26:29 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:26:29 -0500 Subject: Is there interest in a talk on clustering? In-Reply-To: <4B2BB879.2090502-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2A2368.5050008@alteeve.com> <4B2A8BBD.40100@alteeve.com> <5390d2750912171209x6155ef2pa8be9d67564f5d@mail.gmail.com> <4B2ABCC9.8020001@alteeve.com> <4B2B2301.7020608@rogers.com> <4B2B9AA5.8010309@alteeve.com> <4B2BB879.2090502@moores.ca> Message-ID: <4B2BBB45.7090807@alteeve.com> Darryl Moore wrote: > > Madison Kelly wrote: >> Yanni Chiu wrote: >>> Would a bunch of old x86 boxes, plus an old network hub, be enough >>> hardware to set up a cluster sandbox? >> Thanks for the input! Xen will definitely be set aside. >> >> As for the hardware, unfortunately, probably not. One of the "gotcha's" >> I ran into was not paying attention to the right kind of hardware. I'll >> need mainoards with IPMI/Lightsout type controllers. >> > > > Errm, setting Xen aside as a discussion for another day does not mean > you can't use it now for a sandbox. > > I set up quite a nice sandbox with vmware for my own cluster experiments. > > Now of course you lose some of the drama by not having two separate > boxes and a big knife switch that sparks when to apply a remove power, > so you can toggle the power in some mad scientist kind of a way. Dear god, I am soooo stealing that blade switch idea! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 17:29:42 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:29:42 -0500 Subject: Is there interest in a talk on clustering? In-Reply-To: <4B2BB995.6020307-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2A2368.5050008@alteeve.com> <4B2A8BBD.40100@alteeve.com> <5390d2750912171209x6155ef2pa8be9d67564f5d@mail.gmail.com> <4B2ABCC9.8020001@alteeve.com> <4B2B2301.7020608@rogers.com> <4B2BB995.6020307@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4B2BBC06.9040608@alteeve.com> James Knott wrote: > Yanni Chiu wrote: >> Madison Kelly wrote: >>> Noted, I'll keep the Xen portion to a minimum or out all together. My >>> only real interest with Xen at this point was to introduce the >>> networking aspect of Xen in a cluster, but if Xen has been covered, >>> then I may not need to bring it up. >> >> +1 on the clustering talk, and agree that Xen is a separate topic. >> >> Would a bunch of old x86 boxes, plus an old network hub, be enough >> hardware to set up a cluster sandbox? >> > Get rid of the hub and use a switch. A hub will really kill network > performance when you have a lot of traffic. He's talking about for demo reasons. Now, I agree, in this day even cheap switches are easily had. However, for demo purposes "Does it work?" is enough. Unfortunately, as I said to him, I need mainboards with IPMI capabilities. I've priced out what I need for my own training purposes, so it's just a question of money before I can get it. I am also waiting until I've got as many bugs squashed as I can in a fully virtualized environment. This way, when I do invest in the hardware, it will be a relatively short (I hope!) time before I can put it to use properly. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 17:32:02 2009 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:32:02 -0500 Subject: Has anyone deployed an Eucalyptus Cluster (Was: Is there interest in a talk on clustering?) Message-ID: I was just wondering if anyone has deployed a Eucalyptus Cluster. I have been thinking of setting one up. I know Ubuntu now has their Ubuntu Enterprise Cluster. On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Madison Kelly wrote: > Before you answer, I want to mention a concern... > > I've been doing a fair bit on clustering lately, and have successfully > gotten two-node clusters working designed to run virtual machines that can > be moved between nodes on the fly. I think I could see this being of > potential interest to TLUG as a talk. > > However, > > It's a sufficiently involved topic that, given the two hour window of a > talk, I don't think I'd be able to cover everything needed to actually build > a cluster. For this reason, I've been debating offering it up as a talk. > I've been thinking about ways to make a talk useful, and am still not sure > how I could do that... So the second part of this question is; Given a > limited time frame, what would you guys like to hear about with regard to > clustering? What would be helpful? > > Anyway, I'm just throwing this out here at this point to get some feedback > and to see if there is any real interest. If there is, and I can think of > something useful to cover, I'd probably be looking at an April talk. > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Myles Braithwaite me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org http://mylesbraithwaite.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 17:56:12 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:56:12 -0500 Subject: Has anyone deployed an Eucalyptus Cluster (Was: Is there interest in a talk on clustering?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B2BC23C.50402@alteeve.com> Myles Braithwaite wrote: > I was just wondering if anyone has deployed a Eucalyptus Cluster. I > have been thinking of setting one up. > > I know Ubuntu now has their Ubuntu Enterprise Cluster. I've not, but could you provide more info on it? It'd be nice to be able to mention specific examples of different cluster types. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 18:49:39 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:49:39 -0500 Subject: Is there interest in a talk on clustering? In-Reply-To: <4B2BBC06.9040608-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2A2368.5050008@alteeve.com> <4B2A8BBD.40100@alteeve.com> <5390d2750912171209x6155ef2pa8be9d67564f5d@mail.gmail.com> <4B2ABCC9.8020001@alteeve.com> <4B2B2301.7020608@rogers.com> <4B2BB995.6020307@rogers.com> <4B2BBC06.9040608@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20091218184939.GI761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:29:42PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > He's talking about for demo reasons. Now, I agree, in this day even > cheap switches are easily had. However, for demo purposes "Does it > work?" is enough. Unfortunately, as I said to him, I need mainboards > with IPMI capabilities. There are a few cases where a hub would make things work while a switch wouldn't (which is really a mistake in the setup, not the fault of the switch), simply because the hub broadcasts everything, and the switch only sends traffic where it should go. This can make a difference to VRRP for example if you set it up wrong. > I've priced out what I need for my own training purposes, so it's just a > question of money before I can get it. I am also waiting until I've got > as many bugs squashed as I can in a fully virtualized environment. This > way, when I do invest in the hardware, it will be a relatively short (I > hope!) time before I can put it to use properly. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 19:05:22 2009 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:05:22 -0500 Subject: Has anyone deployed an Eucalyptus Cluster (Was: Is there interest in a talk on clustering?) In-Reply-To: <4B2BC23C.50402-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2BC23C.50402@alteeve.com> Message-ID: It is a open source clone of Amazon's EC2 service. I am actually not entirely sure it should be classified as a cluster. On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: > Myles Braithwaite wrote: >> >> I was just wondering if anyone has deployed a Eucalyptus Cluster. I >> have been thinking of setting one up. >> >> I know Ubuntu now has their Ubuntu Enterprise Cluster. > > I've not, but could you provide more info on it? It'd be nice to be able to > mention specific examples of different cluster types. :) > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Myles Braithwaite me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org http://mylesbraithwaite.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 19:33:03 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:33:03 -0500 Subject: Has anyone deployed an Eucalyptus Cluster (Was: Is there interest in a talk on clustering?) In-Reply-To: References: <4B2BC23C.50402@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4B2BD8EF.3040305@alteeve.com> Myles Braithwaite wrote: > It is a open source clone of Amazon's EC2 service. I am actually not > entirely sure it should be classified as a cluster. I will look into it. :D Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 19:46:51 2009 From: vanaltj-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jon VanAlten) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:46:51 -0500 Subject: Has anyone deployed an Eucalyptus Cluster (Was: Is there interest in a talk on clustering?) In-Reply-To: <4B2BD8EF.3040305-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2BC23C.50402@alteeve.com> <4B2BD8EF.3040305@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <5390d2750912181146w25b77350h7656d3651aa20b9b@mail.gmail.com> I haven't yet used Eucalyptus myself, but I have looked into it (well, soon after it was first released). It is more of a cloud infrastructure than a clustering tool, although as such it is certainly possible to deploy a cluster on a Eucalyptus cloud. At the time that I was looking at it, it was API compatible with EC2; they actually recommended that users install Amazon's command line tools to manage instances on it. The main differences being 1) Open Source, and 2) Bring Your Own Hardware Infrastructure. cheers, jon On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Madison Kelly wrote: > Myles Braithwaite wrote: >> >> It is a open source clone of Amazon's EC2 service. I am actually not >> entirely sure it should be classified as a cluster. > > I will look into it. :D > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 20:39:00 2009 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:39:00 -0500 Subject: saw this on slashdot Message-ID: <32f6a8880912181239g6bda0845u93819b06bea91999@mail.gmail.com> Saw the following on slasdot: supersloshy writes "The Consumerist reports an incident where an anonymous reader's netbook's protection plan was apparently voided when he installed Linux on it. "The manager of the Geek Squad informed me that installing Ubuntu Linux on my machine voided my warranty, and that I could only have it serviced if the original Windows installation was restored.", says the anonymous reader. However, his problem was because his "touchpad and power adapter had been broken", which is clearly a hardware issue. He re-installed Windows so he could have them repair his netbook, but they insisted that Linux caused the problem and kicked him out of the store." Link to Original Source http://consumerist.com/2009/12/geek-squad-wouldnt-honor-my-netbooks-protection-plan.html -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 20:48:38 2009 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:48:38 -0500 Subject: saw this on slashdot In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880912181239g6bda0845u93819b06bea91999-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880912181239g6bda0845u93819b06bea91999@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2BEAA6.7090203@alteeve.com> Dave Germiquet wrote: > when he installed Linux on it. "The manager of the Geek Squad informed ^^^^^^^^^^ I think I found his problem. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 22:30:22 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:30:22 -0500 Subject: saw this on slashdot In-Reply-To: <4B2BEAA6.7090203-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880912181239g6bda0845u93819b06bea91999@mail.gmail.com> <4B2BEAA6.7090203@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912181430j33f99719id56cc4e7bc436ab5@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 15:48, Madison Kelly wrote: > Dave Germiquet wrote: >> >> when he installed Linux on it. "The manager of the Geek Squad informed ^^^^^^^^^ & ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > No, this was the problem. You should do a search on the 'Net and read about all the horror stories about them. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 22:37:22 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:37:22 -0500 Subject: saw this on slashdot In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912181430j33f99719id56cc4e7bc436ab5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880912181239g6bda0845u93819b06bea91999@mail.gmail.com> <4B2BEAA6.7090203@alteeve.com> <7c50d3570912181430j33f99719id56cc4e7bc436ab5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2C0422.8050904@moores.ca> Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 15:48, Madison Kelly wrote: >> Dave Germiquet wrote: >>> when he installed Linux on it. "The manager of the Geek Squad informed > ^^^^^^^^^ > & ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > No, this was the problem. You should do a search on the 'Net and read > about all the horror stories about them. > Phfff, well sure. But if he didn't do the install, who would? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 18 22:45:45 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:45:45 -0500 Subject: saw this on slashdot In-Reply-To: <4B2C0422.8050904-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880912181239g6bda0845u93819b06bea91999@mail.gmail.com> <4B2BEAA6.7090203@alteeve.com> <7c50d3570912181430j33f99719id56cc4e7bc436ab5@mail.gmail.com> <4B2C0422.8050904@moores.ca> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912181445n4354a54erc5cce4b9097bc2db@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 17:37, Darryl Moore wrote: > > > Michael Lauzon wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 15:48, Madison Kelly wrote: >>> Dave Germiquet wrote: >>>> when he installed Linux on it. "The manager of the Geek Squad informed >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ^^^^^^^^^ >> & ? ?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> No, this was the problem. ?You should do a search on the 'Net and read >> about all the horror stories about them. >> > > Phfff, well sure. But if he didn't do the install, who would? > Great, my editing of the comment got screwed up, it should look like this, actually if I do it again it'll probably do the same thing: manager & Geek Squad No, this was the problem. You should do a search on the 'Net and read about all the horror stories about them. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon Sent from Don Mills, ON, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From daniel-r35aSzp7v8jQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 19 04:26:26 2009 From: daniel-r35aSzp7v8jQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:26:26 -0500 Subject: OT: looking for a local wikipad In-Reply-To: <4B29BE03.6080203-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B297950.4070707@gmail.com> <4B29BB7D.8080208@gmail.com> <4B29BE03.6080203@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Rajinder Yadav wrote: >> >> Daniel Armstrong wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Rajinder Yadav >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Windows I use Wikidpad, it is a local wiki notepad, is there >>>> something >>>> like this for Linux? I don't want to install setup a server etc. >>> >>> If you are running Gnome you might want to check out Tomboy - >>> http://projects.gnome.org/tomboy/features.html - I haven't used it >>> myself but it was mentioned to me again today and I plan to check it >>> out. >> I ended up purge(ing) tomboy. >> > > The other nice thing about TiddlyWiki, is the ability to create tags for > each wiki page. Daniel, you might want to take a look at this also over > tomboy. Looks like a neat little app and incredibly portable... Thanks for the tip... -- Daniel Armstrong http://wooush.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 19 12:29:54 2009 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 04:29:54 -0800 Subject: Avoiding Rogers DNS breakage In-Reply-To: References: <7fc604580912081522ieedb13eg1823f4b509fccd55@mail.gmail.com> <20091209161913.GM761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <712ca2da0912190429h79ccc33ck82a16229d9916527@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:40 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > This requires manual intervention whenever they change DNS server IP > addresses. ?I don't think that happens often -- perhaps a couple of > times in 10 years. ?But still annoying. I recommend using the IP range that Darryl suggested. I've used them for a while and they are very reliable. You also have the choice of Google (8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4 or 4.3.2.1)[1][2] or OpenDNS. OpenDNS does do some advert-redirecting, but there is a way to opt-out of it. (The 4.2.2.[1-6] DNS servers appear to belong to either Level 3 or Verizon[3]) In any case, it's there are a number of highly available DNS servers that don't pull stuff like ISPs seem to like to pull. You should be able to set these as your DNS server and leave it for the next 20 years without fiddling. I always plug a couple public DNS servers into my router instead of the one my ISP's DHCP provides. [1] http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/ [2] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=975093 [3] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=974972 -- Brandon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 19 12:35:24 2009 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 04:35:24 -0800 Subject: TPL wireless & linux In-Reply-To: <194719.67791.qm-Fzfr+oC8rxz5nGHA2nhOEg9VFclH1bkmQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912071152j5b787705u21754b414b092285@mail.gmail.com> <194719.67791.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <712ca2da0912190435u59b7a5eeo4f7068e4e26eb8a7@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:35 PM, E K wrote: > I have been using TPL wireless with Ubuntu 6.06 without problem. I use both firefox and w3m to sign up with Spyder and everything works fine. The page loads and the handshake goes well. > IIRC, earlier versions of Ubuntu had winbind installed by default. I may be wrong though. I know that it currently isn't a default. -- Brandon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 19 14:45:54 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:45:54 -0500 Subject: Avoiding Rogers DNS breakage In-Reply-To: <712ca2da0912190429h79ccc33ck82a16229d9916527-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7fc604580912081522ieedb13eg1823f4b509fccd55@mail.gmail.com> <20091209161913.GM761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <712ca2da0912190429h79ccc33ck82a16229d9916527@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912190645q73f7fc13j49519f6ea8afb08@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 07:29, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > I recommend using the IP range that Darryl suggested. I've used them > for a while and they are very reliable. You also have the choice of > Google (8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4 or 4.3.2.1)[1][2] or OpenDNS. OpenDNS does > do some advert-redirecting, but there is a way to opt-out of it. > -- > Brandon > And, how do you opt-out of OpenDNS' advertising redirects, as I use OpenDNS, and have never found that option. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 19 22:42:59 2009 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:42:59 -0800 Subject: Avoiding Rogers DNS breakage In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912190645q73f7fc13j49519f6ea8afb08-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7fc604580912081522ieedb13eg1823f4b509fccd55@mail.gmail.com> <20091209161913.GM761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <712ca2da0912190429h79ccc33ck82a16229d9916527@mail.gmail.com> <7c50d3570912190645q73f7fc13j49519f6ea8afb08@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <712ca2da0912191442o181ff83buadeec65126394c6b@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Michael Lauzon wrote: > > And, how do you opt-out of OpenDNS' advertising redirects, as I use > OpenDNS, and have never found that option. > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon You can opt-out by IP address[1], but... "OpenDNS provides an option to turn off this type of redirection, but if you have a residential connection with a dynamic IP, all of a sudden that setting might just disappear."[2] If you read all the comments from the beginning, user 'davidu' is the owner of OpenDNS[3]. (which is one of the reasons I like reading Hacker News, people relevant to the story pop up from time to time to make comments) [1] https://www.opendns.com/dashboard/signin [2] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=974743 [3] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=974642 -- Brandon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 19 22:47:39 2009 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:47:39 -0500 Subject: Is there interest in a talk on clustering? In-Reply-To: <20091218184939.GI761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2A2368.5050008@alteeve.com> <4B2A8BBD.40100@alteeve.com> <5390d2750912171209x6155ef2pa8be9d67564f5d@mail.gmail.com> <4B2ABCC9.8020001@alteeve.com> <4B2B2301.7020608@rogers.com> <4B2BB995.6020307@rogers.com> <4B2BBC06.9040608@alteeve.com> <20091218184939.GI761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <32f6a8880912191447p583635c0q4660d8ef869e8897@mail.gmail.com> Has this talk happend? I'd be interested in hearing it too. On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:29:42PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: >> He's talking about for demo reasons. Now, I agree, in this day even >> cheap switches are easily had. However, for demo purposes "Does it >> work?" is enough. Unfortunately, as I said to him, I need mainboards >> with IPMI capabilities. > > There are a few cases where a hub would make things work while a switch > wouldn't (which is really a mistake in the setup, not the fault of the > switch), simply because the hub broadcasts everything, and the switch > only sends traffic where it should go. ?This can make a difference to > VRRP for example if you set it up wrong. > >> I've priced out what I need for my own training purposes, so it's just a >> question of money before I can get it. I am also waiting until I've got >> as many bugs squashed as I can in a fully virtualized environment. This >> way, when I do invest in the hardware, it will be a relatively short (I >> hope!) time before I can put it to use properly. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 20 03:13:27 2009 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:13:27 -0500 Subject: OT: Any good GPL blog sw out there? Message-ID: <4B2D5007.141.8BBB8DD2@sciguy.vex.net> Hello I have been a Wordpress user for some time (over a year), and was wondering if there were GPL alternatives to Wordpress that overcomes certain problems I have with WP: The main problem I have is that WP wants write permission 777 with user "nobody". When I set this up the last time, I couldn't change the ownership back to myself to delete the files. This is to say nothing about the security issue of setting nearly a thousand files (pretty much the entire tree) with permission 777, including their directories. If there are other blog software that gets around this issue, please let me know. Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 20 03:19:50 2009 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:19:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Any good GPL blog sw out there? In-Reply-To: <4B2D5007.141.8BBB8DD2-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2D5007.141.8BBB8DD2@sciguy.vex.net> Message-ID: <01c44adcf091f4b701e9ecfffa205003.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Here is a list of open source blogware... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog_software#Examples I can't vouch for any of them as I have only used Wordpress myself. > Hello > > I have been a Wordpress user for some time (over a year), and was > wondering if > there were GPL alternatives to Wordpress that overcomes certain problems I > have > with WP: > > The main problem I have is that WP wants write permission 777 with user > "nobody". When I set this up the last time, I couldn't change the > ownership > back to myself to delete the files. This is to say nothing about the > security > issue of setting nearly a thousand files (pretty much the entire tree) > with > permission 777, including their directories. > > If there are other blog software that gets around this issue, please let > me > know. > > Paul > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 21 16:10:59 2009 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:10:59 +0000 Subject: X on a Server? Message-ID: I need to re-do my file and mail server for the house. I intend to install Debian, as was on my old server that suffered a hardware death. Is there any need to install X on a server? Perhaps for some configuration tools? My old server didn't have it, but if it's useful, I'll add it this time. Thanks, John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 21 16:28:24 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:28:24 -0500 Subject: X on a Server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091221162824.GJ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 04:10:59PM +0000, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > I need to re-do my file and mail server for the house. I intend to install Debian, as was on my old server that suffered a hardware death. > > Is there any need to install X on a server? Perhaps for some configuration tools? My old server didn't have it, but if it's useful, I'll add it this time. Not really. I wouldn't. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 21 16:38:17 2009 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:38:17 -0800 Subject: X on a Server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a97ef0912210838v184cf647u7b1343b4d6f63421@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 8:10 AM, wrote: > > I need to re-do my file and mail server for the house. I intend to install Debian, as was on my old server that suffered a hardware death. > > Is there any need to install X on a server? Perhaps for some configuration tools? My old server didn't have it, but if it's useful, I'll add it this time. > > Thanks, > > John. > > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > X client stuff or X server stuff? I find that there are a few things here and there that I will do an "ssh -X" to a server and run, but normally I don't actually do anything that needs the server component running /w a head. Some things like ethereal/wireshark etc are nice to have a GUI with though, even if you're just using it via remote. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 21 16:51:58 2009 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:51:58 -0500 Subject: X on a Server? In-Reply-To: <20091221162824.GJ761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <20091221162824.GJ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: John, Since you are already used to managing a server without X, I do not see any reason why you would need it. I can only think of 2 reasons where X would be required: - some software require X as a prerequist. I am serious and if you doubt, try installing oracle without X. This made my day though, not only do they need X, they also need screen saver. I am still not sure what the later is for. - you do not have very strong CLI skills. You may be used to taking ethernet up and down through gui tools If that happen to be the case, I think installing it and then putting the system at run level 3 is a good compromise. On 21/12/2009, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 04:10:59PM +0000, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: >> I need to re-do my file and mail server for the house. I intend to install >> Debian, as was on my old server that suffered a hardware death. >> >> Is there any need to install X on a server? Perhaps for some configuration >> tools? My old server didn't have it, but if it's useful, I'll add it this >> time. > > Not really. I wouldn't. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Sent from my mobile device -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 21 17:03:11 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:03:11 -0500 Subject: X on a Server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:10 AM, wrote: > > I need to re-do my file and mail server for the house. I intend to install Debian, as was on my old server that suffered a hardware death. > > Is there any need to install X on a server? Perhaps for some configuration tools? My old server didn't have it, but if it's useful, I'll add it this time. X server is quite separate from X libraries... It is entirely likely that useful tools may require libraries, but there's no good reason for them to require an X server, as that could be run remotely. Debian doesn't force the matter; adding X libs doesn't mandate adding X server. You could, of course, find specific applications, that likely didn't pass tests to be added to Debian, that requires that an X server be installed on the host. Blame it on Larry ;-). -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Charles de Gaulle - "The better I get to know men, the more I find myself loving dogs." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/charles_de_gaulle.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 21 18:31:15 2009 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:31:15 +0000 Subject: X on a Server? In-Reply-To: References: ,<20091221162824.GJ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca>, Message-ID: ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:51:58 -0500 > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: X on a Server? > From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > John, > > Since you are already used to managing a server without X, I do not > see any reason why you would need it. > > I can only think of 2 reasons where X would be required: > > - some software require X as a prerequist. I am serious and if you > doubt, try installing oracle without X. This made my day though, not > only do they need X, they also need screen saver. I am still not sure > what the later is for. > > - you do not have very strong CLI skills. You may be used to taking I don't have strong CLI skills (I'm just a home user), but I muddle through. I think I'll leave X out and connect remotely if I need X. > ethernet up and down through gui tools > > If that happen to be the case, I think installing it and then putting > the system at run level 3 is a good compromise. This is what I had thought I'd do, but it sounds like I really don't need it. > > On 21/12/2009, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 04:10:59PM +0000, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> I need to re-do my file and mail server for the house. I intend to install >>> Debian, as was on my old server that suffered a hardware death. >>> >>> Is there any need to install X on a server? Perhaps for some configuration >>> tools? My old server didn't have it, but if it's useful, I'll add it this >>> time. >> >> Not really. I wouldn't. >> >> -- >> Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 21 18:37:14 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:37:14 +0300 Subject: X on a Server? In-Reply-To: References: ,<20091221162824.GJ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca>, Message-ID: <4B2FC05A.7010305@gmail.com> I would have a simple question to these of you who are much better than me. That question will, hopefully, provide an answer to the original question on that subject. An example: I would like to use from home a few programs on a remote server. I would use them from x-windows (from terminal) on my home computer, by issuing "ssh -X" The programs are like these: nedit, gedit, gimp, ooffice. Will I be able to use them that way if X-server is not installed or remote machine? And what if X-server is installed but not running? My understanding is that if some libraries are not installed on remote server than these programs may not work (rather due to an improper design). But is it necessary to install and RUN x-server? Well, my understanding is that.. well... it depends. Could you confirm please? zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 21 18:47:44 2009 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:47:44 +0000 Subject: Web Cams Revisited Message-ID: I'll be picking up a web cam plus headset w/ built-in mike in the next day or so. This subject came up recently and I saved some emails with advice that I thought I could use, along with product recommendations, etc. Unfortunately, I can't access my mail server right now due to hardware problems. I'm trying to recall what someone said (I think it was Lennart) about making sure to pick one up with a certain specification, which would pretty well ensure success. Is there such a thing as a spec to look for in web cams? Thanks, John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 21 18:53:27 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:53:27 -0500 Subject: Web Cams Revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c50d3570912211053h1eaf715bk4cd26e593024f929@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 13:47, wrote: > > I'll be picking up a web cam plus headset w/ built-in mike in the next day or so. This subject came up recently and I saved some emails with advice that I thought I could use, along with product recommendations, etc. Unfortunately, I can't access my mail server right now due to hardware problems. > > I'm trying to recall what someone said (I think it was Lennart) about making sure to pick one up with a certain specification, which would pretty well ensure success. Is there such a thing as a spec to look for in web cams? > > Thanks, > > John. > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- Here it is, this is what he sent the list in reply to someone else's post...don't you just love Gmail: It should have a UVC logo on the package. It's a major selling feature since anything windows XP SP1 and higher has drivers built in so no drivers need to be installed. I remembered wrong. XP SP2 added support for UVC. Apparently webcams must be UVC to get a Vista Certified logo according to wikipedia. Even the PS3 supports UVC, so these days any new webcam would be insane if it wasn't UVC based. A short list (far from complete) is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_USB_video_class_devices many more here: http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/#devices -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 21 19:29:23 2009 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:29:23 +0000 Subject: Web Cams Revisited In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912211053h1eaf715bk4cd26e593024f929-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: ,<7c50d3570912211053h1eaf715bk4cd26e593024f929@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Michael, that was it. I guess I should swing over to gmail??? ---------------------------------------- > From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:53:27 -0500 > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Web Cams Revisited > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 13:47, wrote: >> >> I'll be picking up a web cam plus headset w/ built-in mike in the next day or so. This subject came up recently and I saved some emails with advice that I thought I could use, along with product recommendations, etc. Unfortunately, I can't access my mail server right now due to hardware problems. >> >> I'm trying to recall what someone said (I think it was Lennart) about making sure to pick one up with a certain specification, which would pretty well ensure success. Is there such a thing as a spec to look for in web cams? >> >> Thanks, >> >> John. >> -- > > Here it is, this is what he sent the list in reply to someone else's > post...don't you just love Gmail: > > It should have a UVC logo on the package. It's a major selling feature > since anything windows XP SP1 and higher has drivers built in so no > drivers need to be installed. > > I remembered wrong. XP SP2 added support for UVC. > > Apparently webcams must be UVC to get a Vista Certified logo according > to wikipedia. Even the PS3 supports UVC, so these days any new webcam > would be insane if it wasn't UVC based. > > A short list (far from complete) is here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_USB_video_class_devices > many more here: > http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/#devices > > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 21 19:44:39 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:44:39 -0500 Subject: Web Cams Revisited In-Reply-To: References: <7c50d3570912211053h1eaf715bk4cd26e593024f929@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912211144g4d3667ao2a3e8bb2b3b78537@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 14:29, wrote: > > Thanks Michael, that was it. I guess I should swing over to gmail??? > Well, even though I've been with different ISPs across the country, when I lived with other provinces, I still only used Gmail and always gave that email out, that way if I changed providers, I didn't lose my email address. So, the choice is yours to make. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 21 20:09:16 2009 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:09:16 -0500 Subject: Web Cams Revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f13df280912211209q64317114g503101ae63ef673e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/21 : > I'll be picking up a web cam plus headset w/ built-in mike in the next day or so. This subject came up recently and I saved some emails with advice that I thought I could use, along with product recommendations, etc. Unfortunately, I can't access my mail server right now due to hardware problems. > > I'm trying to recall what someone said (I think it was Lennart) about making sure to pick one up with a certain specification, which would pretty well ensure success. Is there such a thing as a spec to look for in web cams? The Dynex webcam previously recommended by Evan and complained about by me is now working just fine for me, as it did for him (sorry Evan). Probably PEBKAC: I just chose the wrong (and likely very old) software. luvcview seems to be a very nice basic app, it "just works" for me, and is great for testing. The Dynex (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10098615&catid=10498) is $35 (and occasionally cheaper), and readily available at Future Shop - or was, six months ago. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 21 20:16:52 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:16:52 -0500 Subject: X on a Server? In-Reply-To: <4B2FC05A.7010305-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B2FC05A.7010305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091221201652.GK761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 09:37:14PM +0300, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > I would have a simple question to these of you who are much better than > me. That question will, hopefully, provide an answer to the original > question on that subject. > > An example: > > I would like to use from home a few programs on a remote server. I would > use them from x-windows (from terminal) on my home computer, by issuing > "ssh -X" > > The programs are like these: > > nedit, gedit, gimp, ooffice. > > Will I be able to use them that way if X-server is not installed or > remote machine? > And what if X-server is installed but not running? > > My understanding is that if some libraries are not installed on remote > server than these programs may not work (rather due to an improper > design). But is it necessary to install and RUN x-server? > > Well, my understanding is that.. well... it depends. Could you confirm > please? You don't need the X server on the server to run X applications on the server. The x libraries are all you need and the packages that need them should have the necesary dependancies. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 21 20:19:00 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:19:00 -0500 Subject: Web Cams Revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091221201900.GL761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 06:47:44PM +0000, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > I'll be picking up a web cam plus headset w/ built-in mike in the next day or so. This subject came up recently and I saved some emails with advice that I thought I could use, along with product recommendations, etc. Unfortunately, I can't access my mail server right now due to hardware problems. > > I'm trying to recall what someone said (I think it was Lennart) about making sure to pick one up with a certain specification, which would pretty well ensure success. Is there such a thing as a spec to look for in web cams? Get one that is UVC compliant. I believe anything with a Vista or Windows 7 compliancy logo will be since I believe that was a requirement of that certification. One of the nice things microsoft has done in fact. UVC is USB Video Class. I believe there is a UAC for audio as well which is nice to have too, especially on the headset for example, although I don't think it is refered to by that name as often. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 21 20:20:57 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:20:57 -0500 Subject: Web Cams Revisited In-Reply-To: <1f13df280912211209q64317114g503101ae63ef673e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912211209q64317114g503101ae63ef673e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091221202057.GM761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 03:09:16PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > The Dynex webcam previously recommended by Evan and complained about > by me is now working just fine for me, as it did for him (sorry Evan). > Probably PEBKAC: I just chose the wrong (and likely very old) > software. luvcview seems to be a very nice basic app, it "just works" > for me, and is great for testing. The Dynex > (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10098615&catid=10498) > is $35 (and occasionally cheaper), and readily available at Future > Shop - or was, six months ago. 1280x1024 UVC seems nice. Should be decent. Autofocus and face tracking. Yep sounds pretty nice. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 21 20:59:50 2009 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:59:50 -0500 Subject: X on a Server? In-Reply-To: <4B2FC05A.7010305-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: ,<20091221162824.GJ761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca>, <4B2FC05A.7010305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B2FE1C6.70607@rogers.com> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > I would like to use from home a few programs on a remote server. I would > use them from x-windows (from terminal) on my home computer, by issuing > "ssh -X" > > The programs are like these: > > nedit, gedit, gimp, ooffice. In this scenario, these "X Clients" are executing on the remote server, but are displaying on the "X Server" that is running on your home computer. These X Clients require only the Xlib's be installed on the remote server to be able to run -- they just need to talk X Protocol over the socket, which is what the Xlib's provide. > Will I be able to use them that way if X-server is not installed or > remote machine? > And what if X-server is installed but not running? It makes no sense to install and run an X Server on your remote server, unless you're able to sit at the server's monitor and keyboard. If there is no monitor/keyboard, on a headless server, it makes even less sense to have X Server installed. What you might want to do is run a VNC server on your remote server. Then you could run X Clients on your remote server (or anywhere, actually), and have them display on the virtual X Server. Then you can connect/reconnect to this remote/virtual X server, and not have to recreate your window manager layout, etc. Since this VNC server only needs to talk X Protocol, you only need Xlib on the server - you still don't need XServer installed. -- Yanni -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 22 01:47:39 2009 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:47:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: X on a Server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > I need to re-do my file and mail server for the house. I intend to > install Debian, as was on my old server that suffered a hardware death. > > Is there any need to install X on a server? Perhaps for some > configuration tools? My old server didn't have it, but if it's useful, > I'll add it this time. Hi John. There is a difference betweeen installing components of the X client environment and installing the X server. There's a strong argument that an Xserver should _not_ be installed on a server. Any software you install is a potential source of instability and insecurity. The Xserver is a large app that runs as root and bangs hardware. As a result running an Xserver on a server is inviting instability. Even if you need to run gui apps on the server box you can do that remotely as X is network transparent. You run the app on your server and display it elsewhere. Running apps remotely will require installing at least part of the X client environment on the server. BTW, unless you already know, go away and make sure you understand the definitions of Xserver and X client. Some people consider them non-intuitive. Cheers, Rob -- I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy http://www.practicalsysadmin.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 22 08:42:34 2009 From: bsandrow-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Brandon Sandrowicz) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:42:34 -0800 Subject: Web Cams Revisited In-Reply-To: <20091221202057.GM761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912211209q64317114g503101ae63ef673e@mail.gmail.com> <20091221202057.GM761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20091222084234.GB2827@pyrebox> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 03:20:57PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 03:09:16PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > > The Dynex webcam previously recommended by Evan and complained about > > by me is now working just fine for me, as it did for him (sorry Evan). > > Probably PEBKAC: I just chose the wrong (and likely very old) > > software. luvcview seems to be a very nice basic app, it "just works" > > for me, and is great for testing. The Dynex > > (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10098615&catid=10498) > > is $35 (and occasionally cheaper), and readily available at Future > > Shop - or was, six months ago. > > 1280x1024 UVC seems nice. Should be decent. Autofocus and face tracking. > Yep sounds pretty nice. > > -- > Len Sorensen I have two of these and they work fine. The video works fine with Skype and the microphone is recognized/works as well. (I bought these over a year and a half ago though, so I can't vouch for whether or not they've changed the internals in the meantime) -- Brandon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddy-5sHjOODPK7E at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 22 12:44:25 2009 From: teddy-5sHjOODPK7E at public.gmane.org (teddymills) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:44:25 -0500 Subject: virtualization Message-ID: <4B30BF29.6070202@tmis.ca> I had not made the meetings lately. Has their been one about Virtualization in the last year? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 22 15:56:05 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:56:05 -0500 Subject: Web Cams Revisited In-Reply-To: <20091222084234.GB2827@pyrebox> References: <1f13df280912211209q64317114g503101ae63ef673e@mail.gmail.com> <20091221202057.GM761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091222084234.GB2827@pyrebox> Message-ID: <20091222155605.GN761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:42:34AM -0800, Brandon Sandrowicz wrote: > I have two of these and they work fine. The video works fine with Skype > and the microphone is recognized/works as well. (I bought these over a > year and a half ago though, so I can't vouch for whether or not they've > changed the internals in the meantime) As long as the interface is UVC, it doesn't really matter if they change the internals. The firmware has to map it to te UVC interface no matter what. That's why standard interfaces are so nice. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 22 21:10:22 2009 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:10:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Web Cams Revisited In-Reply-To: <20091222155605.GN761-FLMGYpZoEPUVyA88d6xpokBVGOaHBpLCRSdOKOjytBY@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912211209q64317114g503101ae63ef673e@mail.gmail.com> <20091221202057.GM761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20091222084234.GB2827@pyrebox> <20091222155605.GN761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | As long as the interface is UVC, it doesn't really matter if they | change the internals. The firmware has to map it to te UVC interface | no matter what. That's why standard interfaces are so nice. The problem is that too many manufacturers don't care about matching standards beyond making things work in MS Windows or (sometimes) MacOS. So even if you have a violation of a standard, you cannot get reasonable support for your problem. One typical example is ACPI. Most BIOS ACPI tables violate the standards but happen to work with MS Windows. In my experience, support lines are much better with individual hardware errors than product-wide firmware or design errors. So: asking for other people's experience is wise. Qualifying experience with dates is also wise because many manufacturers change their product without changing the product's name. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 22 21:44:14 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:44:14 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: <200912161408.22933.dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM@public.gmane.org> References: <200912151911.41481.dbmacg@look.ca> <4B29007E.4040209@rogers.com> <200912161408.22933.dbmacg@look.ca> Message-ID: <4B313DAE.3030804@rogers.com> Duncan MacGregor wrote: > On December 16, 2009 10:45:02 am you wrote: > >> Duncan MacGregor wrote: >> >>> I use Mandriva, and I find that a monitor directly connected to PS output will be sensed properly and set up >>> by Mandriva. I find that if I go through a KVM switch, Mandriva cannot sense the monitor correctly, and gave me a default screen of 1024 x 768 and a stretched picture. >>> >>> It took a while to figure out that the KVM switch was doing this to me. >>> >>> >> Are you using VGA connection? >> > Yes. I found that for Initial device setup, > Inital configuration was successful when I bypassed the KVM switch. I used a female-female VGA connector for that. > After setup was complete, I could go back to the KVM switch. > > I tried this yesterday and could not get my Netfinity server to do 1920 x 1080. :-( -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 22 22:27:51 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:27:51 -0500 Subject: Widescreen Optimum Use In-Reply-To: <4B313DAE.3030804-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200912151911.41481.dbmacg@look.ca> <4B29007E.4040209@rogers.com> <200912161408.22933.dbmacg@look.ca> <4B313DAE.3030804@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20091222222751.GO761@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 04:44:14PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > I tried this yesterday and could not get my Netfinity server to do 1920 > x 1080. :-( Many servers don't do DDC at all. The IBM x3650's we have at work always claim 1024x768 no matter what is connected to them it seems. Rather pathetic design really. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 23 18:26:04 2009 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:26:04 -0800 Subject: virtualization In-Reply-To: <4B30BF29.6070202-5sHjOODPK7E@public.gmane.org> References: <4B30BF29.6070202@tmis.ca> Message-ID: <3a97ef0912231026ka0ef3a0p22ed17d9dd78adf8@mail.gmail.com> What kind of information are you looking for? On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 4:44 AM, teddymills wrote: > > I had not made the meetings lately. > Has their been one about Virtualization in the last year? > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 25 20:47:26 2009 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:47:26 -0500 Subject: lame Message-ID: <4B3524DE.4060705@vianet.ca> I use ubuntu. I want to convert a .wav to an .mp3 Here is what I have done: ## install lame: sudo apt-get install shntool sudo apt-get install lame #to convert /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.wav ---to--> /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.mp3: lame -V2 /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.wav ---to--> /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.mp3 ------------------------------------------------------------ Unfortunately it did not take. I got, chris at cpc:~$ lame -V2 /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.wav /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.mp3 LAME 3.97 32bits (http://www.mp3dev.org/) CPU features: MMX (ASM used), SSE polyphase lowpass filter disabled Encoding /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.wav to /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.mp3 Encoding as 22.05 kHz VBR(q=2) single-ch MPEG-2 Layer III (ca. 7.3x) qval=3 Only 8, 16, 24 and 32 bit input files supported chris at cpc:~$ Any suggestions? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 25 21:45:36 2009 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 19:45:36 -0200 Subject: lame In-Reply-To: <4B3524DE.4060705-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3524DE.4060705@vianet.ca> Message-ID: It seems something is wrong with your source file, as per the error message: "Only 8, 16, 24 and 32 bit input files supported" Where did you get the file from? If it's from a portable voice recorder, you may have a non-PCM wave file, which Lame doesn't understand. You can probably fix it using sox (it's in the debian repo): sox --magic ~/Desktop/meetMe.wav -b 16 -c 1 -r 44100 ~/Desktop/meetMe-fixed.wav The --magic parameter will use ninja techniques to figure out the original format. The other parameters will convert it to a 44.1Khz/16bit vanilla wav file which lame can easily understand. []s FZero On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I use ubuntu. I want to convert a .wav to an .mp3 > > Here is what I have done: > > > ## install lame: > sudo apt-get install shntool > sudo apt-get install lame > > #to convert /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.wav ---to--> > /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.mp3: > > lame -V2 /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.wav ---to--> > /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.mp3 > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Unfortunately it did not take. > > I got, > > chris at cpc:~$ lame -V2 /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.wav > /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.mp3 > LAME 3.97 32bits (http://www.mp3dev.org/) > CPU features: MMX (ASM used), SSE > polyphase lowpass filter disabled > Encoding /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.wav to /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.mp3 > Encoding as 22.05 kHz VBR(q=2) single-ch MPEG-2 Layer III (ca. 7.3x) qval=3 > Only 8, 16, 24 and 32 bit input files supported > chris at cpc:~$ > > Any suggestions? > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 25 22:12:37 2009 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:12:37 -0500 Subject: lame In-Reply-To: References: <4B3524DE.4060705@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4B3538D5.2050909@vianet.ca> Fabio FZero wrote: > It seems something is wrong with your source file, as per the error message: > > "Only 8, 16, 24 and 32 bit input files supported" > > Where did you get the file from? If it's from a portable voice > recorder, you may have a non-PCM wave file, which Lame doesn't > understand. > > You can probably fix it using sox (it's in the debian repo): > > sox --magic ~/Desktop/meetMe.wav -b 16 -c 1 -r 44100 ~/Desktop/meetMe-fixed.wav > > The --magic parameter will use ninja techniques to figure out the > original format. The other parameters will convert it to a > 44.1Khz/16bit vanilla wav file which lame can easily understand. > Oaky, I installed sox with sudo apt-get install sox, then ran your command (my system didn't like the --magic switch): chris at cpc:~$ sox --magic ~/Desktop/MeetMe.wav -b 16 -c 1 -r 44100 ~/Desktop/MeetMe-fixed.wav sox: unrecognized option `--magic' sox: SoX v14.0.0 Usage summary: [gopts] [[fopts] infile]... [fopts] outfile [effect [effopts]]... SPECIAL FILENAMES: - stdin (infile) or stdout (outfile) -n use the null file handler; for use with e.g. synth & stat GLOBAL OPTIONS (gopts) (can be specified at any point before the first effect): --buffer BYTES set the buffer size (default 8192) --combine concatenate concatenate multiple input files (default for sox, rec) --combine sequence sequence multiple input files (default for play) -h, --help display version number and usage information --help-effect NAME display usage of specified effect; use `all' to display all --interactive prompt to overwrite output file -m, --combine mix mix multiple input files (instead of concatenating) -M, --combine merge merge multiple input files (instead of concatenating) --plot gnuplot|octave generate script to plot response of filter effect -q, --no-show-progress run in quiet mode; opposite of -S --replay-gain track|album|off default: off (sox, rec), track (play) -R use default random numbers (same on each run of SoX) -S, --show-progress display progress while processing audio data --version display version number of SoX and exit -V[LEVEL] increment or set verbosity level (default 2); levels are: 1: failure messages 2: warnings 3: details of processing 4-6: increasing levels of debug messages FORMAT OPTIONS (fopts): Format options only need to be supplied for input files that are headerless, otherwise they are obtained automatically. Output files will default to the same format options as the input file unless otherwise specified. -c, --channels CHANNELS number of channels in audio data -C, --compression FACTOR compression factor for output format --comment TEXT Specify comment text for the output file --comment-file FILENAME file containing comment text for the output file --endian little|big|swap set endianness; swap means opposite to default -r, --rate RATE sample rate of audio -t, --type FILETYPE file type of audio -x invert auto-detected endianness -N, --reverse-nibbles nibble-order -X, --reverse-bits bit-order of data -B/-L force endianness to big/little -s/-u/-U/-A/ sample encoding: signed/unsigned/u-law/A-law -a/-i/-g/-f ADPCM/IMA_ADPCM/GSM/floating point -1/-2/-3/-4/-8 sample size in bytes -v, --volume FACTOR volume input file volume adjustment factor (real number) SUPPORTED FILE FORMATS: m3u pls SUPPORTED EFFECTS: allpass band bandpass bandreject bass chorus compand dcshift deemph dither earwax echo echos equalizer fade filter flanger highpass key ladspa lowpass mcompand mixer noiseprof noisered oops pad pan phaser polyphase rabbit repeat resample reverb reverse silence speed stat swap synth tempo treble tremolo trim vol effopts: depends on effect chris at cpc:~$ So, then I ran it without magic and it didn't like 16: chris at cpc:~$ sox ~/Desktop/MeetMe.wav -b 16 -c 1 -r 44100 ~/Desktop/MeetMe-fixed.wav sox soxio: Failed reading `16': unknown file type `auto' chris at cpc:~$ So, I took out the 16 and got... chris at cpc:~$ sox ~/Desktop/MeetMe.wav -b -c 1 -r 44100 ~/Desktop/MeetMe-fixed.wav sox soxio: Failed reading `/home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.wav': unknown file type `auto' chris at cpc:~$ > []s > FZero > > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I use ubuntu. I want to convert a .wav to an .mp3 >> >> Here is what I have done: >> >> >> ## install lame: >> sudo apt-get install shntool >> sudo apt-get install lame >> >> #to convert /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.wav ---to--> >> /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.mp3: >> >> lame -V2 /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.wav ---to--> >> /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.mp3 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Unfortunately it did not take. >> >> I got, >> >> chris at cpc:~$ lame -V2 /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.wav >> /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.mp3 >> LAME 3.97 32bits (http://www.mp3dev.org/) >> CPU features: MMX (ASM used), SSE >> polyphase lowpass filter disabled >> Encoding /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.wav to /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.mp3 >> Encoding as 22.05 kHz VBR(q=2) single-ch MPEG-2 Layer III (ca. 7.3x) qval=3 >> Only 8, 16, 24 and 32 bit input files supported >> chris at cpc:~$ >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Chris >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 25 22:27:04 2009 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:27:04 -0200 Subject: lame In-Reply-To: <4B3538D5.2050909-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3524DE.4060705@vianet.ca> <4B3538D5.2050909@vianet.ca> Message-ID: Hm, it seems there's something missing in your system. Your sox says: "SUPPORTED FILE FORMATS: m3u pls" While mine says: "AUDIO FILE FORMATS: 8svx aif aifc aiff aiffc al amb au avr caf cdda cdr cvs cvsd cvu dat dvms f32 f4 f64 f8 fap flac fssd gsm hcom htk ima ircam la lpc lpc10 lu mat mat4 mat5 maud nist ogg paf prc pvf raw s1 s16 s2 s24 s3 s32 s4 s8 sb sd2 sds sf sl smp snd sndfile sndr sndt sou sox sph sw txw u1 u16 u2 u24 u3 u32 u4 u8 ub ul uw vms voc vorbis vox w64 wav wavpcm wv wve xa xi PLAYLIST FORMATS: m3u pls" You said you use Ubuntu (which version BTW?), so maybe you should install ubuntu-restricted-extras to see if anything else shows in that list. If you already installed it, try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-restricted-extras". If none of this works you may try installing ffmpeg and converting the file with it. If this is a desktop, you could also try using Audacity. It also uses Lame to make MP3s, but if it can recognize your original .wav the first conversion will be made automatically. FZ On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > Fabio FZero wrote: >> >> It seems something is wrong with your source file, as per the error >> message: >> >> "Only 8, 16, 24 and 32 bit input files supported" >> >> Where did you get the file from? If it's from a portable voice >> recorder, you may have a non-PCM wave file, which Lame doesn't >> understand. >> >> You can probably fix it using sox (it's in the debian repo): >> >> sox --magic ~/Desktop/meetMe.wav -b 16 -c 1 -r 44100 >> ~/Desktop/meetMe-fixed.wav >> >> The --magic parameter will use ninja techniques to figure out the >> original format. The other parameters will convert it to a >> 44.1Khz/16bit vanilla wav file which lame can easily understand. >> > > Oaky, I installed sox with sudo apt-get install sox, then ran your command > (my system didn't like the --magic switch): > > chris at cpc:~$ sox --magic ~/Desktop/MeetMe.wav -b 16 -c 1 -r 44100 > ~/Desktop/MeetMe-fixed.wav > sox: unrecognized option `--magic' > sox: SoX v14.0.0 > > Usage summary: [gopts] [[fopts] infile]... [fopts] outfile [effect > [effopts]]... > > SPECIAL FILENAMES: > - ? ? ? ? ? ? ? stdin (infile) or stdout (outfile) > -n ? ? ? ? ? ? ?use the null file handler; for use with e.g. synth & stat > > GLOBAL OPTIONS (gopts) (can be specified at any point before the first > effect): > --buffer BYTES ?set the buffer size (default 8192) > --combine concatenate ?concatenate multiple input files (default for sox, > rec) > --combine sequence ?sequence multiple input files (default for play) > -h, --help ? ? ?display version number and usage information > --help-effect NAME ?display usage of specified effect; use `all' to display > all > --interactive ? prompt to overwrite output file > -m, --combine mix ?mix multiple input files (instead of concatenating) > -M, --combine merge ?merge multiple input files (instead of concatenating) > --plot gnuplot|octave ?generate script to plot response of filter effect > -q, --no-show-progress ?run in quiet mode; opposite of -S > --replay-gain track|album|off ?default: off (sox, rec), track (play) > -R ? ? ? ? ? ? ?use default random numbers (same on each run of SoX) > -S, --show-progress ?display progress while processing audio data > --version ? ? ? display version number of SoX and exit > -V[LEVEL] ? ? ? increment or set verbosity level (default 2); levels are: > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1: failure messages > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2: warnings > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 3: details of processing > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 4-6: increasing levels of debug messages > > FORMAT OPTIONS (fopts): > Format options only need to be supplied for input files that are headerless, > otherwise they are obtained automatically. ?Output files will default to the > same format options as the input file unless otherwise specified. > > -c, --channels CHANNELS ?number of channels in audio data > -C, --compression FACTOR ?compression factor for output format > --comment TEXT ?Specify comment text for the output file > --comment-file FILENAME ?file containing comment text for the output file > --endian little|big|swap ?set endianness; swap means opposite to default > -r, --rate RATE ?sample rate of audio > -t, --type FILETYPE ?file type of audio > -x ? ? ? ? ? ? ?invert auto-detected endianness > -N, --reverse-nibbles ?nibble-order > -X, --reverse-bits ?bit-order of data > -B/-L ? ? ? ? ? force endianness to big/little > -s/-u/-U/-A/ ? ?sample encoding: signed/unsigned/u-law/A-law > ?-a/-i/-g/-f ? ADPCM/IMA_ADPCM/GSM/floating point > -1/-2/-3/-4/-8 ?sample size in bytes > -v, --volume FACTOR ?volume input file volume adjustment factor (real > number) > > SUPPORTED FILE FORMATS: m3u pls > > SUPPORTED EFFECTS: allpass band bandpass bandreject bass chorus compand > dcshift deemph dither earwax echo echos equalizer fade filter flanger > highpass key ladspa lowpass mcompand mixer noiseprof noisered oops pad pan > phaser polyphase rabbit repeat resample reverb reverse silence speed stat > swap synth tempo treble tremolo trim vol > > effopts: depends on effect > chris at cpc:~$ > > So, then I ran it without magic and it didn't like 16: > > chris at cpc:~$ sox ~/Desktop/MeetMe.wav -b 16 -c 1 -r 44100 > ~/Desktop/MeetMe-fixed.wav > sox soxio: Failed reading `16': unknown file type `auto' > chris at cpc:~$ > > So, I took out the 16 and got... > > chris at cpc:~$ sox ~/Desktop/MeetMe.wav -b -c 1 -r 44100 > ~/Desktop/MeetMe-fixed.wav > sox soxio: Failed reading `/home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.wav': unknown file > type `auto' > chris at cpc:~$ > >> []s >> FZero >> >> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Mr Chris Aitken >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I use ubuntu. I want to convert a .wav to an .mp3 >>> >>> Here is what I have done: >>> >>> >>> ## install lame: >>> sudo apt-get install shntool >>> sudo apt-get install lame >>> >>> #to convert /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.wav ---to--> >>> /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.mp3: >>> >>> lame -V2 /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.wav ---to--> >>> /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.mp3 >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Unfortunately it did not take. >>> >>> I got, >>> >>> chris at cpc:~$ lame -V2 /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.wav >>> /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.mp3 >>> LAME 3.97 32bits (http://www.mp3dev.org/) >>> CPU features: MMX (ASM used), SSE >>> polyphase lowpass filter disabled >>> Encoding /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.wav to /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.mp3 >>> Encoding as 22.05 kHz VBR(q=2) single-ch MPEG-2 Layer III (ca. 7.3x) >>> qval=3 >>> Only 8, 16, 24 and 32 bit input files supported >>> chris at cpc:~$ >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> Chris >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >>> >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> >> >> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 26 02:57:57 2009 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:57:57 -0500 Subject: lame In-Reply-To: <4B3524DE.4060705-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3524DE.4060705@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4B357BB5.50306@golden.net> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I use ubuntu. I want to convert a .wav to an .mp3 > > Here is what I have done: > > > ## install lame: > sudo apt-get install shntool > sudo apt-get install lame > > #to convert /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.wav ---to--> > /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.mp3: > > lame -V2 /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.wav ---to--> > /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.mp3 > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Unfortunately it did not take. > > I got, > > chris at cpc:~$ lame -V2 /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.wav > /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.mp3 > LAME 3.97 32bits (http://www.mp3dev.org/) > CPU features: MMX (ASM used), SSE > polyphase lowpass filter disabled > Encoding /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.wav to /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.mp3 > Encoding as 22.05 kHz VBR(q=2) single-ch MPEG-2 Layer III (ca. 7.3x) > qval=3 > Only 8, 16, 24 and 32 bit input files supported > chris at cpc:~$ > > Any suggestions? > > Chris > -- Audacity can convert it. IIRC you already have it and use it in your music studio. Lame is required. http://audacity.sourceforge.net/help/faq?s=install&item=lame-mp3 John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 26 04:06:50 2009 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:06:50 -0500 Subject: lame In-Reply-To: References: <4B3524DE.4060705@vianet.ca> <4B3538D5.2050909@vianet.ca> Message-ID: <4B358BDA.3050602@vianet.ca> Fabio FZero wrote: > Hm, it seems there's something missing in your system. Your sox says: > > "SUPPORTED FILE FORMATS: m3u pls" > > While mine says: > > "AUDIO FILE FORMATS: 8svx aif aifc aiff aiffc al amb au avr caf cdda > cdr cvs cvsd cvu dat dvms f32 f4 f64 f8 fap flac fssd gsm hcom htk ima > ircam la lpc lpc10 lu mat mat4 mat5 maud nist ogg paf prc pvf raw s1 > s16 s2 s24 s3 s32 s4 s8 sb sd2 sds sf sl smp snd sndfile sndr sndt sou > sox sph sw txw u1 u16 u2 u24 u3 u32 u4 u8 ub ul uw vms voc vorbis vox > w64 wav wavpcm wv wve xa xi > PLAYLIST FORMATS: m3u pls" > > You said you use Ubuntu (which version BTW?), so maybe you should > install ubuntu-restricted-extras to see if anything else shows in that > Okay I ran 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras'. That did it! The sox command still gives me the same problem, but I don't care because Sound Juicer can now extract files directly to .mp3. Also, Audacity can now export as .mp3 (it couldn't before installing ubuntu-restricted-extras). So, your command made everything work! Thanks, Chris :) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 26 06:00:38 2009 From: caitken-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:00:38 -0500 Subject: lame In-Reply-To: <4B357BB5.50306-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3524DE.4060705@vianet.ca> <4B357BB5.50306@golden.net> Message-ID: <4B35A686.2090204@vianet.ca> John Myshrall wrote: > Mr Chris Aitken wrote: >> I use ubuntu. I want to convert a .wav to an .mp3 >> >> Here is what I have done: >> >> >> ## install lame: >> sudo apt-get install shntool >> sudo apt-get install lame >> >> #to convert /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.wav ---to--> >> /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.mp3: >> >> lame -V2 /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.wav ---to--> >> /home/chris/Desktop/meetMe.mp3 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Unfortunately it did not take. >> >> I got, >> >> chris at cpc:~$ lame -V2 /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.wav >> /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.mp3 >> LAME 3.97 32bits (http://www.mp3dev.org/) >> CPU features: MMX (ASM used), SSE >> polyphase lowpass filter disabled >> Encoding /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.wav to >> /home/chris/Desktop/MeetMe.mp3 >> Encoding as 22.05 kHz VBR(q=2) single-ch MPEG-2 Layer III (ca. 7.3x) >> qval=3 >> Only 8, 16, 24 and 32 bit input files supported >> chris at cpc:~$ >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Chris >> -- > Audacity can convert it. Yeah, I had tried that but until Fabio's got me to install 'ubuntu-restricted-extras', Audacity would not let me export as .mp3. It kept suggesting a file (called 'lamemp3[something].so'] and offering to download (which it would not). Now, with 'ubuntu-restricted-extras' Audacity will export as .mp3, from files which I rip from CDs with sound-juicer (which likewise would not do this before installing 'ubuntu-restricted-extras'. > IIRC you already have it and use it in your music studio. Good memory. I actually tried a couple of years ago to get Audacity to work with an E-MU 1212 pci card until I finally figured out that the linux driver didn't have 'capture'. Then I found that 'capture' means record. So, I had a soundcard with which I couldn't record under linux. Aargh! Disgusted and nine months late starting a project because I was trying to remain Windows-free, I bought a used Windows computer and started using Nuendo. The E-MU crapped out and I got an Audiophile 192 which did funny things under the used DELL, so I got a used IBM which would run the Audiophile at all, os I got an NRV10 firewire mixer. I try not to use my Windows box for anything but music recording (it's not even on the Internet). That's why I'm doing my daughter's .mp3 stuff on the linux box. I must admit I finally broke down and got an .mp3 player. It will be a while before I try linux with music recording again. But I'm happily doing everything else in linux: spreadsheets for my piano tuning business, printing, Internet, playing music for private guitar students (sometimes from CDs but mostly youtube). Linux rocks. maybe I'll plug my NRV10 into it and see what grief I can get into. ;) > Lame is required. I actually "had lame" via 'sudo apt-get install lame' but it wasn't enough - I needed the 'ubuntu-restricted-extras' as well. Thanks, John. Chris > > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/help/faq?s=install&item=lame-mp3 > > John > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 26 18:04:19 2009 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:04:19 +0000 Subject: Lost my X Message-ID: I lost X on my main PC. It was working fine one day; the next day (after shutting it down for the night) it would only boot to terminal mode. What I recall doing the previous day was to install "cheese " for a webcam I was trying out and also doing some security updates. I found the error messages to do with the problem, but don't understand them enough to fix it. It's on a Mandriva 2009 box. The video card is OK as I can boot to X with Knoppix. Below is a summary of the error messages I got from Xorg.0.log and dmesg, in case anyone can help: Messages from dmesg: NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 173.14.09, but NVRM: this kernel module has the version 100.14.19. Please NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver NVRM: components have the same version. bootsplash 3.1.6-2004/03/31: looking for picture...<6>...found (800x600, 14966 bytes, v3). bootsplash: status on console 0 changed to on NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 173.14.09, but NVRM: this kernel module has the version 100.14.19. Please NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver NVRM: components have the same version. Messages from Xorg.0.log: (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 173.14.09 Wed Jun 4 23:47:25 PDT 2008 (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs (II) Primary Device is: PCI 00:0d:0 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (--) Chipset NVIDIA GPU found (==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888 (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) (**) NVIDIA(0): Option "RenderAccel" "false" (**) NVIDIA(0): Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" (**) NVIDIA(0): Disabling RENDER acceleration (II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X extensions is (II) NVIDIA(0): enabled. (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA graphics device! (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia" (II) UnloadModule: "wfb" (II) UnloadModule: "fb" (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found Thanks for any direction to resolve this. I've been at it Thursday and am no further ahead. John. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 26 18:32:08 2009 From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Darryl Moore) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:32:08 -0500 Subject: Lost my X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B3656A8.4070209@moores.ca> Are you sure you didn't install a kernel upgrade too? Try rebooting and press as it boots. Then you can tell grub to run the previous kernel instead. Alternatively you can edit you X windows configuration file with nano and change the line which says: Driver nvidia and change it to: Driver nv This will disable 3d acceleration. To get your latest kernel to work with your 3d driver you may also need to run a program called nvidia-xconfig. Hope that helps. marry xmas darryl john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > I lost X on my main PC. It was working fine one day; the next day (after > shutting it down for the night) it would only boot to terminal mode. > What I recall doing the previous day was to install "cheese " for a > webcam I was trying out and also doing some security updates. > > I found the error messages to do with the problem, but don't understand > them enough to fix it. It's on a Mandriva 2009 box. The video card is OK > as I can boot to X with Knoppix. > > Below is a summary of the error messages I got from Xorg.0.log and > dmesg, in case anyone can help: > > Messages from dmesg: > > NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 173.14.09, but > NVRM: this kernel module has the version 100.14.19. Please > NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver > NVRM: components have the same version. > > bootsplash 3.1.6-2004/03/31: looking for picture...<6>...found (800x600, > 14966 bytes, v3). > bootsplash: status on console 0 changed to on > > > > NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 173.14.09, but > NVRM: this kernel module has the version 100.14.19. Please > NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver > NVRM: components have the same version. > > Messages from Xorg.0.log: > > (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 173.14.09 Wed Jun 4 23:47:25 PDT 2008 > (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs > (II) Primary Device is: PCI 00:0d:0 > (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device > (--) Chipset NVIDIA GPU found > > (==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888 > (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor > (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) > (**) NVIDIA(0): Option "RenderAccel" "false" > (**) NVIDIA(0): Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" > (**) NVIDIA(0): Disabling RENDER acceleration > (II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X > extensions is > (II) NVIDIA(0): enabled. > (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA graphics device! > (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia" > (II) UnloadModule: "wfb" > (II) UnloadModule: "fb" > (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. > > Fatal server error: > no screens found > > Thanks for any direction to resolve this. I've been at it Thursday and > am no further ahead. > > John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 26 19:42:13 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:42:13 -0500 Subject: Lost my X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B366715.5010504@gmail.com> john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > I lost X on my main PC. It was working fine one day; the next day (after > shutting it down for the night) it would only boot to terminal mode. > What I recall doing the previous day was to install "cheese " for a > webcam I was trying out and also doing some security updates. > > I found the error messages to do with the problem, but don't understand > them enough to fix it. It's on a Mandriva 2009 box. The video card is OK > as I can boot to X with Knoppix. > > Below is a summary of the error messages I got from Xorg.0.log and > dmesg, in case anyone can help: > > Messages from dmesg: > > NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 173.14.09, but > NVRM: this kernel module has the version 100.14.19. Please > NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver > NVRM: components have the same version. > > bootsplash 3.1.6-2004/03/31: looking for picture...<6>...found (800x600, > 14966 bytes, v3). > bootsplash: status on console 0 changed to on > > > > NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 173.14.09, but > NVRM: this kernel module has the version 100.14.19. Please > NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver > NVRM: components have the same version. > > Messages from Xorg.0.log: > > (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 173.14.09 Wed Jun 4 23:47:25 PDT 2008 > (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs > (II) Primary Device is: PCI 00:0d:0 > (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device > (--) Chipset NVIDIA GPU found > > (==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888 > (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor > (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) > (**) NVIDIA(0): Option "RenderAccel" "false" > (**) NVIDIA(0): Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" > (**) NVIDIA(0): Disabling RENDER acceleration > (II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X > extensions is > (II) NVIDIA(0): enabled. > (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA graphics device! > (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia" > (II) UnloadModule: "wfb" > (II) UnloadModule: "fb" > (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. > > Fatal server error: > no screens found > > Thanks for any direction to resolve this. I've been at it Thursday and > am no further ahead. > > John. I'm taking a guess here, but you may need to rebuild your driver. if you don't know what drive you need, open your case and take a look at what the model is. download the driver source-code for that family. the process is fairly straight forward. If I recall it's a menu driven build. http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us try darryl option first, if that works then stop =) -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav http://DevMentor.org Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 26 19:56:34 2009 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:56:34 +0000 Subject: Lost my X In-Reply-To: <4B3656A8.4070209-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: ,<4B3656A8.4070209@moores.ca> Message-ID: Thanks Darryl... > Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:32:08 -0500 > From: darryl-90a536wCiRb3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Lost my X > > Are you sure you didn't install a kernel upgrade too? I'm fairly sure. I certainly didn't do it consciously and didn't notice any kernel files during any update installs. > > Try rebooting and press as it boots. Then you can tell grub to run > the previous kernel instead. Booting to a previous kernel didn't change anything. I tried a couple of kernel versions. > > Alternatively you can edit you X windows configuration file with nano > and change the line which says: > Driver nvidia > and change it to: > Driver nv > > This will disable 3d acceleration. This did something. It went into X, but I never got a desktop - just a blank screen with the cursor and the spinning hour glass going on forever. The desktop login audio file played, but no desktop. > > To get your latest kernel to work with your 3d driver you may also need > to run a program called nvidia-xconfig. I ran nvidia-xconfig. One thing it did was to change the Driver from nv back to nvidia. It also overwrote my config backup file that I had made by giving it the same name. Gotta be careful with that one. Anyway, the change brought it right back to square one. I changed the Driver back to nv in the config file and it's back to having X with no desktop. > > Hope that helps. > marry xmas --> you too! and happy new year. > darryl Thanks, John > > > john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > I lost X on my main PC. It was working fine one day; the next day (after > > shutting it down for the night) it would only boot to terminal mode. > > What I recall doing the previous day was to install "cheese " for a > > webcam I was trying out and also doing some security updates. > > > > I found the error messages to do with the problem, but don't understand > > them enough to fix it. It's on a Mandriva 2009 box. The video card is OK > > as I can boot to X with Knoppix. > > > > Below is a summary of the error messages I got from Xorg.0.log and > > dmesg, in case anyone can help: > > > > Messages from dmesg: > > > > NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 173.14.09, but > > NVRM: this kernel module has the version 100.14.19. Please > > NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver > > NVRM: components have the same version. > > > > bootsplash 3.1.6-2004/03/31: looking for picture...<6>...found (800x600, > > 14966 bytes, v3). > > bootsplash: status on console 0 changed to on > > > > > > > > NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 173.14.09, but > > NVRM: this kernel module has the version 100.14.19. Please > > NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver > > NVRM: components have the same version. > > > > Messages from Xorg.0.log: > > > > (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 173.14.09 Wed Jun 4 23:47:25 PDT 2008 > > (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs > > (II) Primary Device is: PCI 00:0d:0 > > (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device > > (--) Chipset NVIDIA GPU found > > > > (==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888 > > (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor > > (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) > > (**) NVIDIA(0): Option "RenderAccel" "false" > > (**) NVIDIA(0): Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" > > (**) NVIDIA(0): Disabling RENDER acceleration > > (II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X > > extensions is > > (II) NVIDIA(0): enabled. > > (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA graphics device! > > (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia" > > (II) UnloadModule: "wfb" > > (II) UnloadModule: "fb" > > (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. > > > > Fatal server error: > > no screens found > > > > Thanks for any direction to resolve this. I've been at it Thursday and > > am no further ahead. > > > > John. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 26 20:54:50 2009 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:54:50 -0200 Subject: lame In-Reply-To: <4B35A686.2090204-Bm8TULXj0r/3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3524DE.4060705@vianet.ca> <4B357BB5.50306@golden.net> <4B35A686.2090204@vianet.ca> Message-ID: Hey, I have a home studio too! I tried to use Linux to make music several times, but while there's definite progress, the best word to describe the experience is still "painful". Simple audio editing, multitrack recording and even mastering are easy enough, but using sequencers and virtual instruments it quite tricky. There are lots of interesting things that you can do if you're into weird controllers and glitching up samples (PureData FTW!), but for "regular" music making the setup time can be so long that you'll forget what you were trying to do in the first place. Anyway, as I said, things are getting better (slowly). Meanwhile I switched from Windows to Mac. I was starting to feel really annoyed every time I had to leave Linux to make music. On the Mac I have a *nix environment and some of the good things that were originally developed for Linux (JackOSX is really brilliant). I also have sox, lame, flac and ffmpeg to automate some file conversion tasks, so it's win-win. I plan to have a netbook running Renoise alongside my main notebook on future gigs, but I have to wait a bit to do that - after all I'm moving to Toronto in march. []s FZero PS: You can check out my productions at www.geradorzero.com - I even have an EP named #!/bin/bash (http://binbash.geradorzero.com). On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > Good memory. I actually tried a couple of years ago to get Audacity to work > with an E-MU 1212 pci card until I finally figured out that the linux driver > didn't have 'capture'. Then I found that 'capture' means record. So, I had a > soundcard with which I couldn't record under linux. Aargh! Disgusted and > nine months late starting a project because I was trying to remain > Windows-free, I bought a used Windows computer and started using Nuendo. The > E-MU crapped out and I got an Audiophile 192 which did funny things under > the used DELL, so I got a used IBM which would run the Audiophile at all, os > I got an NRV10 firewire mixer. > > I try not to use my Windows box for anything but music recording (it's not > even on the Internet). That's why I'm doing my daughter's .mp3 stuff on the > linux box. I must admit I finally broke down and got an .mp3 player. > > It will be a while before I try linux with music recording again. > > But I'm happily doing everything else in linux: spreadsheets for my piano > tuning business, printing, Internet, playing music for private guitar > students (sometimes from CDs but mostly youtube). Linux rocks. maybe I'll > plug my NRV10 into it and see what grief I can get into. > > ;) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 27 01:01:50 2009 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:01:50 -0500 Subject: Lost my X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200912262001.50953.amarjan@pobox.com> On December 26, 2009 01:04:19 pm john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > I lost X on my main PC. It was working fine one day; the next day (after > shutting it down for the night) it would only boot to terminal mode. What > I recall doing the previous day was to install "cheese " for a webcam I > was trying out and also doing some security updates. > > I found the error messages to do with the problem, but don't understand > them enough to fix it. It's on a Mandriva 2009 box. The video card is OK > as I can boot to X with Knoppix. > > Below is a summary of the error messages I got from Xorg.0.log and dmesg, > in case anyone can help: > > Messages from dmesg: > > NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 173.14.09, but > NVRM: this kernel module has the version 100.14.19. Please > NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver > NVRM: components have the same version. You have an nvidia kernel and X driver version mismatch. Your security update must have upgraded or downgraded either the kernel module or the X driver but not both. Actually that's a really big version difference, and it may be that the kernel module version is the nvidia "legacy" driver. 173.* is really old too, but it's definitely part of the mainline driver series. I don't know how Mandriva packaging works; see if you can't adjust the installed package versions so that the X driver and kernel module versions match. That's assuming you haven't compiled the driver yourself, but if you did then I don't suppose you'd be confused by this error. HTH -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 27 03:47:41 2009 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:47:41 -0500 Subject: OT: Samsung 2343 monitor Message-ID: <1f13df280912261947v69775fddje04e1a45846dae2c@mail.gmail.com> This is a mixed review of a new Samsung monitor - if it was just about a single monitor, I wouldn't post here. But it's also about Samsung's behaviour in general. The monitor is 2048x1152 and 23", the high resolution is quite lovely. Colour seems reasonably good, no dead pixels. I only bought it today though. A couple significant problems, as I see it: first, the monitor has no buttons. Really. It has icons for power, menu, etc., and I ran my hand all over the case, peered around the back ... no buttons. This is because the icons are the buttons, and only function when the monitor has power: presumably by inductance (is that the correct term?). This means there's no feedback, and they're hypersensitive. I don't like them at all. The other problem is an ongoing one with Samsung: you can't access the menu unless the monitor has a data source. A friend of mine has a pair of Samsung 19" 4:3 monitors from a couple years ago, and they have the same problem (but have real buttons). So don't do what I did: I just grabbed the monitor box at a Boxing Day sale and walked. It's not a disaster, the screen seems very good ... but I do hate the controls, and I suspect that's what Samsung will do in future. And possibly other manufacturers too. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 27 04:31:30 2009 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:31:30 -0500 Subject: semi-OT: multiple monitors with Dell Inspiron 530 Message-ID: <1f13df280912262031v39e0fc01p92c8b74728fa6403@mail.gmail.com> The previously mentioned Samsung monitor is now attached to a Dell Inspiron 530 (a desktop, not a laptop). The machine has built-in Intel video, which would have worked fine for my purposes, except I wanted dual head. So I bought a Nvidia 6200 based dual head PCI-E card, which I've been reasonably happy with. I already have two LCDs attached to the Dell, but it would appear that it's impossible to add a third to this machine. I've updated the BIOS to the latest version and it's still impossible to use the onboard and PCI-E video cards at the same time. If you boot with both connected, a BIOS level warning comes up: "oooh, I see you have an add-in card, you couldn't possibly want to use this. To fix this problem please turn off the machine and disconnect the built-in card." Okay, I changed the wording, but that's what it says. You can force it to go on ... and then it disables the PCI-E and boots up. The reverse is also possible: if you boot with the PCI-E, the onboard is disabled. It treats PCI cards the same way: "this is the built-in card you don't want to use etc." So it would appear that using three screens on this machine, which was my intention, is impossible. Is there any way to get around this? So far I've come up with "never buy Dell again" - I'm not just forestalling Lennart here, I'm totally disgusted with them. The one good thing about this machine is the 2.4GHz C2Q chip, which is wonderful. The only other option seems to be buying a new mobo. But that would recommend a new case, and probably a new video card, memory ... oh wait, that's practically buying a new computer. So no, I don't want to follow that route just yet. But I'd really like to have three monitors ... -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 27 14:13:06 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:13:06 -0500 Subject: OT: Samsung 2343 monitor In-Reply-To: <1f13df280912261947v69775fddje04e1a45846dae2c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912261947v69775fddje04e1a45846dae2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B376B72.7090304@rogers.com> Giles Orr wrote: > This is a mixed review of a new Samsung monitor - if it was just about > a single monitor, I wouldn't post here. But it's also about Samsung's > behaviour in general. > > The monitor is 2048x1152 and 23", the high resolution is quite lovely. > Colour seems reasonably good, no dead pixels. I only bought it today > though. > > A couple significant problems, as I see it: first, the monitor has no > buttons. Really. It has icons for power, menu, etc., and I ran my > hand all over the case, peered around the back ... no buttons. This > is because the icons are the buttons, and only function when the > monitor has power: presumably by inductance (is that the correct > term?). This means there's no feedback, and they're hypersensitive. > I don't like them at all. The other problem is an ongoing one with > Samsung: you can't access the menu unless the monitor has a data > source. A friend of mine has a pair of Samsung 19" 4:3 monitors from > a couple years ago, and they have the same problem (but have real > buttons). > > So don't do what I did: I just grabbed the monitor box at a Boxing Day > sale and walked. It's not a disaster, the screen seems very good ... > but I do hate the controls, and I suspect that's what Samsung will do > in future. And possibly other manufacturers too. > > I have an LG W2353V monitor that I bought a couple of months ago. It's also buttonless, but it appears to work better than yours. With mine, I put my finger near the area where the "buttons" are located and the LEDs light up. I then touch the function I want. I use them mostly for switching video inputs. I don't seem to have that problem about there having to be some input before the buttons work. If there's no input, I just get a message on the screen about the monitor switching to low power mode. BTW, yesterday I bought a HD converter so I can now watch TV on this monitor too. I've got the converter on the HDMI input, my main computer on DVI and a KVM switch on the VGA input. The thing that would make a big improvement would be if I could set the VGA input to always be 4:3. As it is, the VGA & DVI inputs share the same setting, so I have to change the display aspect ratio when I switch between VGA & DVI. BTW, -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 27 14:39:48 2009 From: phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:39:48 -0500 Subject: OT: Samsung 2343 monitor In-Reply-To: <4B376B72.7090304-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912261947v69775fddje04e1a45846dae2c@mail.gmail.com> <4B376B72.7090304@rogers.com> Message-ID: <05935A8B-E0CD-40D6-8DF5-1EB15F0BD7F5@acm.org> On 2009-12-27, at 9:13 AM, James Knott wrote: > I've got the converter on the HDMI input, my main computer on DVI and a KVM switch on the VGA input. I've been wanting a LCD screen to attach to my laptop when I'm using it at my desk. I have a DVI (female) connector for the computer -- DVI-D (dual link) according to the Wikipedia diagrams. Dumb question: Do the monitors come with cables for attaching to their DVI input? (I've read a couple of boxes without it being clear.) If not, is there a standard kind of connector that I would need to match? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 27 14:53:03 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:53:03 -0500 Subject: OT: Samsung 2343 monitor In-Reply-To: <05935A8B-E0CD-40D6-8DF5-1EB15F0BD7F5-HInyCGIudOg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912261947v69775fddje04e1a45846dae2c@mail.gmail.com> <4B376B72.7090304@rogers.com> <05935A8B-E0CD-40D6-8DF5-1EB15F0BD7F5@acm.org> Message-ID: <4B3774CF.7090900@rogers.com> Phillip Mills wrote: > On 2009-12-27, at 9:13 AM, James Knott wrote: > > >> I've got the converter on the HDMI input, my main computer on DVI and a KVM switch on the VGA input. >> > I've been wanting a LCD screen to attach to my laptop when I'm using it at my desk. I have a DVI (female) connector for the computer -- DVI-D (dual link) according to the Wikipedia diagrams. > > Dumb question: Do the monitors come with cables for attaching to their DVI input? (I've read a couple of boxes without it being clear.) If not, is there a standard kind of connector that I would need to match? > > My monitor came with both DVI & VGA cables. I had to buy the HDMI cable though, as the converter came with component video cables. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 27 15:10:03 2009 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:10:03 -0500 Subject: OT: Samsung 2343 monitor In-Reply-To: <4B3774CF.7090900-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912261947v69775fddje04e1a45846dae2c@mail.gmail.com> <4B376B72.7090304@rogers.com> <05935A8B-E0CD-40D6-8DF5-1EB15F0BD7F5@acm.org> <4B3774CF.7090900@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280912270710j3291b0c1g563c528aa980d65d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/27 James Knott : > Phillip Mills wrote: >> >> On 2009-12-27, at 9:13 AM, James Knott wrote: >> >> >>> >>> I've got the converter on the HDMI input, my main computer on DVI and a >>> KVM switch on the VGA input. >>> >> >> I've been wanting a LCD screen to attach to my laptop when I'm using it at >> my desk. ?I have a DVI (female) connector for the computer -- DVI-D (dual >> link) according to the Wikipedia diagrams. >> >> Dumb question: Do the monitors come with cables for attaching to their DVI >> input? ?(I've read a couple of boxes without it being clear.) ?If not, is >> there a standard kind of connector that I would need to match? >> >> > > My monitor came with both DVI & VGA cables. ?I had to buy the HDMI cable > though, as the converter came with component video cables. The Samsung I just bought also came with both DVI and VGA cables. The VGA cable is the thinnest I've ever felt, but does work. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddy-5sHjOODPK7E at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 27 17:31:56 2009 From: teddy-5sHjOODPK7E at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:31:56 -0500 Subject: tv vlc Message-ID: <4B379A0C.4020602@tmis.ca> I have a pc at home on Bell IPTV with a Hauppage MPEG tv tuner. (20 mbits/upload 15mbits download) I watch tv via the hauppage card on the pc. I want VLC to stream the current tv channel so I can watch tv remotely on the internet. Is this possible? http://www.videolan.org/vlc/streaming.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 27 18:31:08 2009 From: alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:31:08 -0300 Subject: semi-OT: multiple monitors with Dell Inspiron 530 In-Reply-To: <1f13df280912262031v39e0fc01p92c8b74728fa6403-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912262031v39e0fc01p92c8b74728fa6403@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Giles, how you doing? I passed this same deception with a Dell OptiPlex 745. I installed a nVIDIA Dual Head card and the onboard on gone disabled. I asked Dell support team and they said it's not possible to have onboard and PCI/PCI-E cards working together. I had to add a second PCI card to have 3-heads setup. If you have more than one PCI-E slots, put 4 heads on it ;) Best regards On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Giles Orr wrote: > The previously mentioned Samsung monitor is now attached to a Dell > Inspiron 530 (a desktop, not a laptop). ?The machine has built-in > Intel video, which would have worked fine for my purposes, except I > wanted dual head. ?So I bought a Nvidia 6200 based dual head PCI-E > card, which I've been reasonably happy with. ?I already have two LCDs > attached to the Dell, but it would appear that it's impossible to add > a third to this machine. ?I've updated the BIOS to the latest version > and it's still impossible to use the onboard and PCI-E video cards at > the same time. ?If you boot with both connected, a BIOS level warning > comes up: "oooh, I see you have an add-in card, you couldn't possibly > want to use this. ?To fix this problem please turn off the machine and > disconnect the built-in card." ?Okay, I changed the wording, but > that's what it says. ?You can force it to go on ... and then it > disables the PCI-E and boots up. ?The reverse is also possible: if you > boot with the PCI-E, the onboard is disabled. ?It treats PCI cards the > same way: "this is the built-in card you don't want to use etc." ?So > it would appear that using three screens on this machine, which was my > intention, is impossible. > > Is there any way to get around this? ?So far I've come up with "never > buy Dell again" - I'm not just forestalling Lennart here, I'm totally > disgusted with them. ?The one good thing about this machine is the > 2.4GHz C2Q chip, which is wonderful. ?The only other option seems to > be buying a new mobo. ?But that would recommend a new case, and > probably a new video card, memory ... oh wait, that's practically > buying a new computer. ?So no, I don't want to follow that route just > yet. ?But I'd really like to have three monitors ... > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Alexandre Alencar (Skarmeth) http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I, MCP -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 27 19:41:58 2009 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:41:58 -0500 Subject: semi-OT: multiple monitors with Dell Inspiron 530 In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df280912262031v39e0fc01p92c8b74728fa6403@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280912271141ia0a4be7o7b2076f3fa59d55f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Alexandre. 2009/12/27 Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar : > I passed this same deception with a Dell OptiPlex 745. I installed a > nVIDIA Dual Head card and the onboard on gone disabled. I asked Dell > support team and they said it's not possible to have onboard and > PCI/PCI-E cards working together. I had to add a second PCI card to > have 3-heads setup. Did you do that? Did you actually buy and successfully install a PCI video card? Because my limited testing suggests that the Dell BIOS would disable the PCI-E video card if you used a PCI video card and vice versa. I have a spare, very old PCI card that I can try, I suppose that would be the sensible thing to do. I'll try that and report back. > If you have more than one PCI-E slots, put 4 heads on it ;) Two or more PCI-E slots cost money. Dell doesn't spend any more of that than they have to. I only wish I had another PCI-E slot ... Right at the moment I'm looking at Xdmx, but it's not very promising as it means having to run two computers, and it also would probably make suspending the main machine extremely iffy - I'm not up to writing suspend scripts at all, never mind the level of complexity that would probably be required to re-establish an Xdmx connection after the machine came out of suspend ... > On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Giles Orr wrote: >> The previously mentioned Samsung monitor is now attached to a Dell >> Inspiron 530 (a desktop, not a laptop). ?The machine has built-in >> Intel video, which would have worked fine for my purposes, except I >> wanted dual head. ?So I bought a Nvidia 6200 based dual head PCI-E >> card, which I've been reasonably happy with. ?I already have two LCDs >> attached to the Dell, but it would appear that it's impossible to add >> a third to this machine. ?I've updated the BIOS to the latest version >> and it's still impossible to use the onboard and PCI-E video cards at >> the same time. ?If you boot with both connected, a BIOS level warning >> comes up: "oooh, I see you have an add-in card, you couldn't possibly >> want to use this. ?To fix this problem please turn off the machine and >> disconnect the built-in card." ?Okay, I changed the wording, but >> that's what it says. ?You can force it to go on ... and then it >> disables the PCI-E and boots up. ?The reverse is also possible: if you >> boot with the PCI-E, the onboard is disabled. ?It treats PCI cards the >> same way: "this is the built-in card you don't want to use etc." ?So >> it would appear that using three screens on this machine, which was my >> intention, is impossible. >> >> Is there any way to get around this? ?So far I've come up with "never >> buy Dell again" - I'm not just forestalling Lennart here, I'm totally >> disgusted with them. ?The one good thing about this machine is the >> 2.4GHz C2Q chip, which is wonderful. ?The only other option seems to >> be buying a new mobo. ?But that would recommend a new case, and >> probably a new video card, memory ... oh wait, that's practically >> buying a new computer. ?So no, I don't want to follow that route just >> yet. ?But I'd really like to have three monitors ... -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 28 03:54:04 2009 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:54:04 -0500 Subject: tv vlc In-Reply-To: <4B379A0C.4020602-5sHjOODPK7E@public.gmane.org> References: <4B379A0C.4020602@tmis.ca> Message-ID: <32f6a8880912271954k43ef83d0i2bf8622a7047404a@mail.gmail.com> I'm not sure about speed. If your using a LAN you can use mythtv. I've done it with my MacBook as a client to my Desktop and through an XBOX as a client to my desktop. My desktop was a mythtv server, you have to do some mythtv configuration, but it should work. On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:31 PM, teddy mills wrote: > > I have a pc at home on Bell IPTV with a Hauppage MPEG tv tuner. > (20 mbits/upload 15mbits download) I watch tv via the hauppage > card on the pc. > > I want VLC to stream the current tv channel so I can watch tv > remotely on the internet. Is this possible? > > http://www.videolan.org/vlc/streaming.html > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 28 06:36:38 2009 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 01:36:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: truly odd LG DVD-writer "feature" Message-ID: Clifford told me about this, and I think you deserve to be warned. LG DVD writers have some whacky feature in the firmware. When the drive is empty and closed, it tells the OS that it has a disk, and that (simulated) disk has a program called "Bluebirds", in MS Windows .exe format. Recommendation: stay away from those drives. http://www.msfn.org/board/lg-gh22ns50-bluebirds-removal-tool-t135300-page-20.html http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1216969 There is a firmware update to remove this feature. But you appear to need Windows to flash the update. Make sure that your drive is not empty when you boot into Windows: otherwise, I think Bluebirds will install on that machine. Yikes. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 28 06:28:59 2009 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 01:28:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: semi-OT: multiple monitors with Dell Inspiron 530 In-Reply-To: <1f13df280912262031v39e0fc01p92c8b74728fa6403-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912262031v39e0fc01p92c8b74728fa6403@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | From: Giles Orr | So | it would appear that using three screens on this machine, which was my | intention, is impossible. I've never met an integrated video controller that worked when a video card was plugged in. This isn't a Dell-only problem. There are video cards that support more than 2 screens. Not that I remember much about them. For example, Matrox made four-output cards. I think that they were used by traders (stocks, bonds, commodities, ...). I vaguely recollect reading that (some?) recent AMD (ex ATI) cards, with three connectors, could drive three displays with three different images. That would certainly require checking before believing it. Lots of motherboards have extra PCIe x1 sockets. I wonder if extra cards can fit into them. There would be a performance hit. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 28 13:32:48 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:32:48 -0500 Subject: truly odd LG DVD-writer "feature" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B38B380.7040504@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Clifford told me about this, and I think you deserve to be warned. > > LG DVD writers have some whacky feature in the firmware. When the > drive is empty and closed, it tells the OS that it has a disk, and > that (simulated) disk has a program called "Bluebirds", in MS Windows > .exe format. > > Recommendation: stay away from those drives. > > http://www.msfn.org/board/lg-gh22ns50-bluebirds-removal-tool-t135300-page-20.html > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1216969 > > There is a firmware update to remove this feature. But you appear to > need Windows to flash the update. Make sure that your drive is not > empty when you boot into Windows: otherwise, I think Bluebirds will > install on that machine. Yikes. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > I have an LG DVD burner and I don't think I've ever seen that "feature". I'm running OpenSUSE 11.0 and don't have Windows available on that system. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 28 14:09:31 2009 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:09:31 -0500 Subject: truly odd LG DVD-writer "feature" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/28/09, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Clifford told me about this, and I think you deserve to be warned. > > LG DVD writers have some whacky feature in the firmware. When the > drive is empty and closed, it tells the OS that it has a disk, and > that (simulated) disk has a program called "Bluebirds", in MS Windows > .exe format. This is true of SOME models of LG DVD writers, I know as I bought one this fall :-( . > Recommendation: stay away from those drives. > > http://www.msfn.org/board/lg-gh22ns50-bluebirds-removal-tool-t135300-page-20.html > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1216969 > > There is a firmware update to remove this feature. But you appear to > need Windows to flash the update. Make sure that your drive is not > empty when you boot into Windows: otherwise, I think Bluebirds will > install on that machine. Yikes. Not quite so simple. I got the firmware update/Bluebird removal program up and running under WINE under Ubuntu, pain in the @#$%. Had I known what I was facing when I bought the drive I likely would have gone to another vendor/model. Still, it is a decent enough drive, and at least when I was buying this fall the least expensive drive on the market (least expensive IF you don't figure in your time to get rid of Bluebird...). Not recommended, but hardly a total loss... Colin McGregor > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 28 16:16:37 2009 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:16:37 -0500 Subject: truly odd LG DVD-writer "feature" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f13df280912280816g45249b7bm9116bd0b99c999bc@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/28 Colin McGregor : > On 12/28/09, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> Clifford told me about this, and I think you deserve to be warned. >> >> LG DVD writers have some whacky feature in the firmware. ?When the >> drive is empty and closed, it tells the OS that it has a disk, and >> that (simulated) disk has a program called "Bluebirds", in MS Windows >> .exe format. > > This is true of SOME models of LG DVD writers, I know as I bought one > this fall :-( . > >> Recommendation: stay away from those drives. >> >> http://www.msfn.org/board/lg-gh22ns50-bluebirds-removal-tool-t135300-page-20.html >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1216969 >> >> There is a firmware update to remove this feature. ?But you appear to >> need Windows to flash the update. ?Make sure that your drive is not >> empty when you boot into Windows: otherwise, I think Bluebirds will >> install on that machine. ?Yikes. > > Not quite so simple. I got the firmware update/Bluebird removal > program up and running under WINE under Ubuntu, pain in the @#$%. > > Had I known what I was facing when I bought the drive I likely would > have gone to another vendor/model. Still, it is a decent enough drive, > and at least when I was buying this fall the least expensive drive on > the market (least expensive IF you don't figure in your time to get > rid of Bluebird...). > > Not recommended, but hardly a total loss... >From a review on newegg: "This burner has some type of virtual software built into the drive called 'Bluebirds'. Bluebirds is advertisement linked to the LG website to get you to buy more LG products. If you choose not to install the software you will be prompted to install it every time you close the drive door. If you install it you get the tray icons pointing to more LG products. If you remove it from the startup it adds itself back to the startup every time you close the drive door." I have a friend who likes to go off on verbal rants - recently against various pieces of software as he sorts out what he wants installed on Linux, but also against pharmaceutical companies or politicians or whatever. I'm usually the guy telling him to tone it down, dial it back, ease up. But when he exploded about LG and this little episode, I was totally in agreement. When the movie companies put material I _have_ to watch on their DVDs, I think it's despicable but I still buy the DVDs. The difference between that behaviour (which wastes my time) and the LG drive is that the drive is actively attempting to compromise the security of my computer system. Consider: they've put installation software into a piece of hardware that's not supposed to have it, and opened up another attack vector on your computer system - another storage location for malicious software. Buying their product encourages this kind of behaviour, and will cause them to expand their incursions into your system and the reduction of your system security for their commercial benefit. The newegg poster mentioned above went on to say that newegg was awesome because they had immediately and without protest accepted the return of this defective piece of hardware. I think that's the only thing that should be done with them. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 28 17:57:57 2009 From: alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:57:57 -0300 Subject: semi-OT: multiple monitors with Dell Inspiron 530 In-Reply-To: <1f13df280912271141ia0a4be7o7b2076f3fa59d55f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912262031v39e0fc01p92c8b74728fa6403@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280912271141ia0a4be7o7b2076f3fa59d55f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Giles, how you doing today? On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Giles Orr wrote: > Hi Alexandre. > > 2009/12/27 Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar : >> I passed this same deception with a Dell OptiPlex 745. I installed a >> nVIDIA Dual Head card and the onboard on gone disabled. I asked Dell >> support team and they said it's not possible to have onboard and >> PCI/PCI-E cards working together. I had to add a second PCI card to >> have 3-heads setup. > > Did you do that? ?Did you actually buy and successfully install a PCI > video card? ?Because my limited testing suggests that the Dell BIOS > would disable the PCI-E video card if you used a PCI video card and > vice versa. ?I have a spare, very old PCI card that I can try, I > suppose that would be the sensible thing to do. ?I'll try that and > report back. Yes, I have a nVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS PCI-E plus a nVIDIA RIVA TNT2 M64 installed on an Dell OptiPlex 745 running fine. This system runs Debian Lenny plus updates and uses nVIDIA binary driver 185.18.36 (for PCI-E card) and nouveau opensource driver (for PCI card). This is connected to 3 LG L1953H 19" LCD monitors (DVI, VGA, VGA). > >> If you have more than one PCI-E slots, put 4 heads on it ;) > > Two or more PCI-E slots cost money. ?Dell doesn't spend any more of > that than they have to. ?I only wish I had another PCI-E slot ... > > Right at the moment I'm looking at Xdmx, but it's not very promising > as it means having to run two computers, and it also would probably > make suspending the main machine extremely iffy - I'm not up to > writing suspend scripts at all, never mind the level of complexity > that would probably be required to re-establish an Xdmx connection > after the machine came out of suspend ... For some Dell's to get a new PCI-E slot it's a pain. > >> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Giles Orr wrote: >>> The previously mentioned Samsung monitor is now attached to a Dell >>> Inspiron 530 (a desktop, not a laptop). ?The machine has built-in >>> Intel video, which would have worked fine for my purposes, except I >>> wanted dual head. ?So I bought a Nvidia 6200 based dual head PCI-E >>> card, which I've been reasonably happy with. ?I already have two LCDs >>> attached to the Dell, but it would appear that it's impossible to add >>> a third to this machine. ?I've updated the BIOS to the latest version >>> and it's still impossible to use the onboard and PCI-E video cards at >>> the same time. ?If you boot with both connected, a BIOS level warning >>> comes up: "oooh, I see you have an add-in card, you couldn't possibly >>> want to use this. ?To fix this problem please turn off the machine and >>> disconnect the built-in card." ?Okay, I changed the wording, but >>> that's what it says. ?You can force it to go on ... and then it >>> disables the PCI-E and boots up. ?The reverse is also possible: if you >>> boot with the PCI-E, the onboard is disabled. ?It treats PCI cards the >>> same way: "this is the built-in card you don't want to use etc." ?So >>> it would appear that using three screens on this machine, which was my >>> intention, is impossible. >>> >>> Is there any way to get around this? ?So far I've come up with "never >>> buy Dell again" - I'm not just forestalling Lennart here, I'm totally >>> disgusted with them. ?The one good thing about this machine is the >>> 2.4GHz C2Q chip, which is wonderful. ?The only other option seems to >>> be buying a new mobo. ?But that would recommend a new case, and >>> probably a new video card, memory ... oh wait, that's practically >>> buying a new computer. ?So no, I don't want to follow that route just >>> yet. ?But I'd really like to have three monitors ... > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Alexandre Alencar (Skarmeth) http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I, MCP -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 28 18:13:28 2009 From: alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:13:28 -0300 Subject: semi-OT: multiple monitors with Dell Inspiron 530 In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df280912262031v39e0fc01p92c8b74728fa6403@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Hugh, On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 3:28 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Giles Orr > > | ? So > | it would appear that using three screens on this machine, which was my > | intention, is impossible. > > I've never met an integrated video controller that worked when a video > card was plugged in. ?This isn't a Dell-only problem. > > There are video cards that support more than 2 screens. ?Not that I > remember much about them. ?For example, Matrox made four-output cards. > I think that they were used by traders (stocks, bonds, commodities, > ...). > nVIDIA and ATI provides cards with 2 or 4 heads for PCI, AGP, PCI-E slots, it's not very easy to find, but you can use this kind of card to have more displays. > I vaguely recollect reading that (some?) recent AMD (ex ATI) cards, with > three connectors, could drive three displays with three different images. > That would certainly require checking before believing it. > I saw 4-head cards... http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_11761.html > Lots of motherboards have extra PCIe x1 sockets. ?I wonder if extra cards > can fit into them. ?There would be a performance hit. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Alexandre Alencar (Skarmeth) http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I, MCP -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 28 18:15:07 2009 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:15:07 -0500 Subject: semi-OT: multiple monitors with Dell Inspiron 530 In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df280912262031v39e0fc01p92c8b74728fa6403@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280912271141ia0a4be7o7b2076f3fa59d55f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Alexandra Just curious, would it still work if both cards were not from the same vendor? On 28/12/2009, Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar wrote: > Hi Giles, how you doing today? > > > On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Giles Orr wrote: >> Hi Alexandre. >> >> 2009/12/27 Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar : >>> I passed this same deception with a Dell OptiPlex 745. I installed a >>> nVIDIA Dual Head card and the onboard on gone disabled. I asked Dell >>> support team and they said it's not possible to have onboard and >>> PCI/PCI-E cards working together. I had to add a second PCI card to >>> have 3-heads setup. >> >> Did you do that? ?Did you actually buy and successfully install a PCI >> video card? ?Because my limited testing suggests that the Dell BIOS >> would disable the PCI-E video card if you used a PCI video card and >> vice versa. ?I have a spare, very old PCI card that I can try, I >> suppose that would be the sensible thing to do. ?I'll try that and >> report back. > > Yes, I have a nVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS PCI-E plus a nVIDIA RIVA TNT2 M64 > installed on an Dell OptiPlex 745 running fine. This system runs > Debian Lenny plus updates and uses nVIDIA binary driver 185.18.36 (for > PCI-E card) and nouveau opensource driver (for PCI card). This is > connected to 3 LG L1953H 19" LCD monitors (DVI, VGA, VGA). > >> >>> If you have more than one PCI-E slots, put 4 heads on it ;) >> >> Two or more PCI-E slots cost money. ?Dell doesn't spend any more of >> that than they have to. ?I only wish I had another PCI-E slot ... >> >> Right at the moment I'm looking at Xdmx, but it's not very promising >> as it means having to run two computers, and it also would probably >> make suspending the main machine extremely iffy - I'm not up to >> writing suspend scripts at all, never mind the level of complexity >> that would probably be required to re-establish an Xdmx connection >> after the machine came out of suspend ... > > For some Dell's to get a new PCI-E slot it's a pain. > >> >>> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Giles Orr wrote: >>>> The previously mentioned Samsung monitor is now attached to a Dell >>>> Inspiron 530 (a desktop, not a laptop). ?The machine has built-in >>>> Intel video, which would have worked fine for my purposes, except I >>>> wanted dual head. ?So I bought a Nvidia 6200 based dual head PCI-E >>>> card, which I've been reasonably happy with. ?I already have two LCDs >>>> attached to the Dell, but it would appear that it's impossible to add >>>> a third to this machine. ?I've updated the BIOS to the latest version >>>> and it's still impossible to use the onboard and PCI-E video cards at >>>> the same time. ?If you boot with both connected, a BIOS level warning >>>> comes up: "oooh, I see you have an add-in card, you couldn't possibly >>>> want to use this. ?To fix this problem please turn off the machine and >>>> disconnect the built-in card." ?Okay, I changed the wording, but >>>> that's what it says. ?You can force it to go on ... and then it >>>> disables the PCI-E and boots up. ?The reverse is also possible: if you >>>> boot with the PCI-E, the onboard is disabled. ?It treats PCI cards the >>>> same way: "this is the built-in card you don't want to use etc." ?So >>>> it would appear that using three screens on this machine, which was my >>>> intention, is impossible. >>>> >>>> Is there any way to get around this? ?So far I've come up with "never >>>> buy Dell again" - I'm not just forestalling Lennart here, I'm totally >>>> disgusted with them. ?The one good thing about this machine is the >>>> 2.4GHz C2Q chip, which is wonderful. ?The only other option seems to >>>> be buying a new mobo. ?But that would recommend a new case, and >>>> probably a new video card, memory ... oh wait, that's practically >>>> buying a new computer. ?So no, I don't want to follow that route just >>>> yet. ?But I'd really like to have three monitors ... >> >> -- >> Giles >> http://www.gilesorr.com/ >> gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > Alexandre Alencar (Skarmeth) > http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ > http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ > ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I, MCP > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Sent from my mobile device -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 28 19:37:51 2009 From: alexandre.alencar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:37:51 -0300 Subject: semi-OT: multiple monitors with Dell Inspiron 530 In-Reply-To: References: <1f13df280912262031v39e0fc01p92c8b74728fa6403@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280912271141ia0a4be7o7b2076f3fa59d55f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 3:15 PM, William Muriithi wrote: > Alexandra > ^^ ^^ Alexandre > Just curious, would it still work if both cards were not from the same vendor? > It may work, but for simplifying problems, I choose to use same chipset brand. But I just used SiS and nVIDIA together without problems (and 3D for SiS). > > > On 28/12/2009, Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar wrote: >> Hi Giles, how you doing today? >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Giles Orr wrote: >>> Hi Alexandre. >>> >>> 2009/12/27 Alexandre Cavalcante Alencar : >>>> I passed this same deception with a Dell OptiPlex 745. I installed a >>>> nVIDIA Dual Head card and the onboard on gone disabled. I asked Dell >>>> support team and they said it's not possible to have onboard and >>>> PCI/PCI-E cards working together. I had to add a second PCI card to >>>> have 3-heads setup. >>> >>> Did you do that? ?Did you actually buy and successfully install a PCI >>> video card? ?Because my limited testing suggests that the Dell BIOS >>> would disable the PCI-E video card if you used a PCI video card and >>> vice versa. ?I have a spare, very old PCI card that I can try, I >>> suppose that would be the sensible thing to do. ?I'll try that and >>> report back. >> >> Yes, I have a nVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS PCI-E plus a nVIDIA RIVA TNT2 M64 >> installed on an Dell OptiPlex 745 running fine. This system runs >> Debian Lenny plus updates and uses nVIDIA binary driver 185.18.36 (for >> PCI-E card) and nouveau opensource driver (for PCI card). This is >> connected to 3 LG L1953H 19" LCD monitors (DVI, VGA, VGA). >> >>> >>>> If you have more than one PCI-E slots, put 4 heads on it ;) >>> >>> Two or more PCI-E slots cost money. ?Dell doesn't spend any more of >>> that than they have to. ?I only wish I had another PCI-E slot ... >>> >>> Right at the moment I'm looking at Xdmx, but it's not very promising >>> as it means having to run two computers, and it also would probably >>> make suspending the main machine extremely iffy - I'm not up to >>> writing suspend scripts at all, never mind the level of complexity >>> that would probably be required to re-establish an Xdmx connection >>> after the machine came out of suspend ... >> >> For some Dell's to get a new PCI-E slot it's a pain. >> >>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Giles Orr wrote: >>>>> The previously mentioned Samsung monitor is now attached to a Dell >>>>> Inspiron 530 (a desktop, not a laptop). ?The machine has built-in >>>>> Intel video, which would have worked fine for my purposes, except I >>>>> wanted dual head. ?So I bought a Nvidia 6200 based dual head PCI-E >>>>> card, which I've been reasonably happy with. ?I already have two LCDs >>>>> attached to the Dell, but it would appear that it's impossible to add >>>>> a third to this machine. ?I've updated the BIOS to the latest version >>>>> and it's still impossible to use the onboard and PCI-E video cards at >>>>> the same time. ?If you boot with both connected, a BIOS level warning >>>>> comes up: "oooh, I see you have an add-in card, you couldn't possibly >>>>> want to use this. ?To fix this problem please turn off the machine and >>>>> disconnect the built-in card." ?Okay, I changed the wording, but >>>>> that's what it says. ?You can force it to go on ... and then it >>>>> disables the PCI-E and boots up. ?The reverse is also possible: if you >>>>> boot with the PCI-E, the onboard is disabled. ?It treats PCI cards the >>>>> same way: "this is the built-in card you don't want to use etc." ?So >>>>> it would appear that using three screens on this machine, which was my >>>>> intention, is impossible. >>>>> >>>>> Is there any way to get around this? ?So far I've come up with "never >>>>> buy Dell again" - I'm not just forestalling Lennart here, I'm totally >>>>> disgusted with them. ?The one good thing about this machine is the >>>>> 2.4GHz C2Q chip, which is wonderful. ?The only other option seems to >>>>> be buying a new mobo. ?But that would recommend a new case, and >>>>> probably a new video card, memory ... oh wait, that's practically >>>>> buying a new computer. ?So no, I don't want to follow that route just >>>>> yet. ?But I'd really like to have three monitors ... >>> >>> -- >>> Giles >>> http://www.gilesorr.com/ >>> gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Alexandre Alencar (Skarmeth) >> http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ >> http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ >> ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I, MCP >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Alexandre Alencar (Skarmeth) http://blog.alexandrealencar.net/ http://www.alexandrealencar.net/ ITIL, CSM, LPI, MCP-I, MCP -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 28 20:06:03 2009 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:06:03 -0500 Subject: OT: Samsung 2343 monitor In-Reply-To: <1f13df280912270710j3291b0c1g563c528aa980d65d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912261947v69775fddje04e1a45846dae2c@mail.gmail.com> <4B376B72.7090304@rogers.com> <05935A8B-E0CD-40D6-8DF5-1EB15F0BD7F5@acm.org> <4B3774CF.7090900@rogers.com> <1f13df280912270710j3291b0c1g563c528aa980d65d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880912281206q13ce3ebdja3cb920232fbf5a2@mail.gmail.com> Giles, would you suggest that monitor to someone else thinking of buying it? With the difficulties or is it not worth the trouble? On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Giles Orr wrote: > 2009/12/27 James Knott : >> Phillip Mills wrote: >>> >>> On 2009-12-27, at 9:13 AM, James Knott wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I've got the converter on the HDMI input, my main computer on DVI and a >>>> KVM switch on the VGA input. >>>> >>> >>> I've been wanting a LCD screen to attach to my laptop when I'm using it at >>> my desk. ?I have a DVI (female) connector for the computer -- DVI-D (dual >>> link) according to the Wikipedia diagrams. >>> >>> Dumb question: Do the monitors come with cables for attaching to their DVI >>> input? ?(I've read a couple of boxes without it being clear.) ?If not, is >>> there a standard kind of connector that I would need to match? >>> >>> >> >> My monitor came with both DVI & VGA cables. ?I had to buy the HDMI cable >> though, as the converter came with component video cables. > > The Samsung I just bought also came with both DVI and VGA cables. ?The > VGA cable is the thinnest I've ever felt, but does work. > > -- > Giles > http://www.gilesorr.com/ > gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Dave Germiquet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 28 20:07:14 2009 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:07:14 -0500 Subject: Xdmx segfaults Message-ID: <1f13df280912281207v20855063m6b0297d735933f10@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone used Xdmx recently? I've seen references that suggest that both Debian and Ubuntu have been shipping with broken versions for over a year: I certainly haven't been able to get it to do anything other than segfaulting. A couple weeks ago I followed this tutorial: http://intellilinux.info/node/25 which explains how to combine two Xephyr X sessions together. I got a segfault. Today I tried to follow http://mitros.org/p/xdmx-setup.html to combine screens across a desktop and a laptop. I got a remarkably similar segfault. Even if Xdmx is unable to deal with my X setup (nvidia proprietary driver, Xinerama) it should exit gracefully and give useful errors. It's doing neither of these things. The latter tutorial is from about a year ago, and recommends getting a significantly older version of Xdmx: I had hoped because they'd had a year since that tutorial to fix known bugs I wouldn't have to consider that possibility, but if I want to use Xdmx this is seeming like the likeliest route - although library incompatibilities may become an issue. Thoughts? -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 28 20:35:47 2009 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:35:47 -0500 Subject: OT: Samsung 2343 monitor In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880912281206q13ce3ebdja3cb920232fbf5a2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912261947v69775fddje04e1a45846dae2c@mail.gmail.com> <4B376B72.7090304@rogers.com> <05935A8B-E0CD-40D6-8DF5-1EB15F0BD7F5@acm.org> <4B3774CF.7090900@rogers.com> <1f13df280912270710j3291b0c1g563c528aa980d65d@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880912281206q13ce3ebdja3cb920232fbf5a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280912281235u5290b50ka74fe1108fea04eb@mail.gmail.com> Hi Dave. 2009/12/28 Dave Germiquet : > Giles, would you suggest that monitor to someone else thinking of > buying it? With the difficulties or is it not worth the trouble? It's a lovely display, and quite high resolution, at a reasonable price. It's a very wide ratio, hope you like that. The controls are definitely a bit of a curse: unlike a hardware button, you can trigger them by getting pretty much any part of your anatomy in range of the lower right bezel. And you can't find them in the dark by feel (although random stuff may pop up on the screen as you grope around and trigger the wrong ones). I wouldn't buy another one, but I guess I don't hugely regret it either: I can't afford a more expensive monitor and this is the only way I can get anything past the 1920x1080 mark. I can see that some people might be fine with the controls - or even think that they were really cool. Your call. Take a look at the photo at http://www.gilesorr.com/forOthers/ - not sure how much it'll help, but the point is this is a smooth plastic bezel with icons: nothing tactile at all. (The photo is transient and will vanish in a week or a month.) > On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Giles Orr wrote: >> 2009/12/27 James Knott : >>> Phillip Mills wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2009-12-27, at 9:13 AM, James Knott wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've got the converter on the HDMI input, my main computer on DVI and a >>>>> KVM switch on the VGA input. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I've been wanting a LCD screen to attach to my laptop when I'm using it at >>>> my desk. ?I have a DVI (female) connector for the computer -- DVI-D (dual >>>> link) according to the Wikipedia diagrams. >>>> >>>> Dumb question: Do the monitors come with cables for attaching to their DVI >>>> input? ?(I've read a couple of boxes without it being clear.) ?If not, is >>>> there a standard kind of connector that I would need to match? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> My monitor came with both DVI & VGA cables. ?I had to buy the HDMI cable >>> though, as the converter came with component video cables. >> >> The Samsung I just bought also came with both DVI and VGA cables. ?The >> VGA cable is the thinnest I've ever felt, but does work. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 28 21:00:18 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:00:18 -0500 Subject: OT: Samsung 2343 monitor In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880912281206q13ce3ebdja3cb920232fbf5a2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912261947v69775fddje04e1a45846dae2c@mail.gmail.com> <4B376B72.7090304@rogers.com> <05935A8B-E0CD-40D6-8DF5-1EB15F0BD7F5@acm.org> <4B3774CF.7090900@rogers.com> <1f13df280912270710j3291b0c1g563c528aa980d65d@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880912281206q13ce3ebdja3cb920232fbf5a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B391C62.6090104@rogers.com> Dave Germiquet wrote: > Giles, would you suggest that monitor to someone else thinking of > buying it? With the difficulties or is it not worth the trouble? > > My LG W2353V works well and it's currently on sale for $199 at Future Shop. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 28 21:02:27 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:02:27 -0500 Subject: OT: Samsung 2343 monitor In-Reply-To: <1f13df280912281235u5290b50ka74fe1108fea04eb-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912261947v69775fddje04e1a45846dae2c@mail.gmail.com> <4B376B72.7090304@rogers.com> <05935A8B-E0CD-40D6-8DF5-1EB15F0BD7F5@acm.org> <4B3774CF.7090900@rogers.com> <1f13df280912270710j3291b0c1g563c528aa980d65d@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880912281206q13ce3ebdja3cb920232fbf5a2@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280912281235u5290b50ka74fe1108fea04eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B391CE3.5050501@rogers.com> Giles Orr wrote: > Hi Dave. > > 2009/12/28 Dave Germiquet: > >> Giles, would you suggest that monitor to someone else thinking of >> buying it? With the difficulties or is it not worth the trouble? >> > It's a lovely display, and quite high resolution, at a reasonable > price. It's a very wide ratio, hope you like that. The controls are > definitely a bit of a curse: unlike a hardware button, you can trigger > them by getting pretty much any part of your anatomy in range of the > lower right bezel. And you can't find them in the dark by feel > (although random stuff may pop up on the screen as you grope around > and trigger the wrong ones). I wouldn't buy another one, but I guess > I don't hugely regret it either: I can't afford a more expensive > monitor and this is the only way I can get anything past the 1920x1080 > mark. I can see that some people might be fine with the controls - or > even think that they were really cool. Your call. > > The LG has a LED by the power "button", so it's easy to find the controls in the dark. You just have to move a finger over that area to make the other LEDs turn on and then touch the "button". -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 03:10:36 2009 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:10:36 -0500 Subject: Beagle Message-ID: <20091228221036.6583e067.hgibson@eol.ca> I just looked at my disk space usage, and I have observed that Beagle is using over 600MB. Is anyone here consciously using beagle to search files? I am playing with it and trying to figure out just how useful it is. I am using a DVD burner for backup, so 600MB is significant space. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinpdavidson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 04:55:32 2009 From: colinpdavidson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (colin davidson) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:55:32 -0500 Subject: virtualization In-Reply-To: <4B30BF29.6070202-5sHjOODPK7E@public.gmane.org> References: <4B30BF29.6070202@tmis.ca> Message-ID: I have started a google wave with to prepare a meeting presentation about virtualization. The purpose is twofold - first to allow TLUGers who want to experiment with wave to collaborate on an actual project (wave is a collaboration tool, after all) and second (with some luck, perhaps) to create an actual presentationt that can be used at a meeting. Please drop me a line (or post your wave contact here) if you want to participate. I think Miles will also be able to add you. Miles may also be able to tell you how to find the wave yourself (and maybe tell me how to make it more accessible). Cheers, Colin P.S. - Miles, sorry about the delay, life has been a little hectic, but better late than never. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:44 AM, teddymills wrote: > > I had not made the meetings lately. > Has their been one about Virtualization in the last year? > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 09:05:43 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:05:43 -0500 Subject: OT: 19 Google Wave Invites Message-ID: <7c50d3570912290105j30750ac8h670f217742e939ff@mail.gmail.com> As the title says, I've got 19 invites to give out. On a side note, I'm not having much luck searching for Wave, looking for a Wave about video games, etc, anyone know of one? -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 09:47:48 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:47:48 -0500 Subject: OT: Cyrillic character domain names In-Reply-To: <3685A8FD247FA94C957C4304AB386A04364A29-uW4H5V2fA1bWu479FVRH0dCKwkbxpnuAjY/Qatn5Fs8@public.gmane.org> References: <3685A8FD247FA94C957C4304AB386A04364A29@cognationsvr1.Cognation.local> Message-ID: <4B39D044.8050304@gmail.com> Dean Collins wrote: > UPDATE - This is really really bad - check out the paypal phishing > example on my blog already using Cyrillic characters > > > http://blog.collins.net.pr/2009/12/de-latinisation-of-web.html > > > Please forward to everyone in a position to stop ICANN, i cant believe > they didn't think of this in advance. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 12:05:01 2009 From: slacker-MOdoAOVCFFcswetKESUqMA at public.gmane.org (Slack Rat) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:05:01 +0100 Subject: Zazeen.com Message-ID: <87pr5yvvde.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Does anyone have any experience with this company and/or their services? https://www.zazeen.com/OnlinePC.html I did send them an email requesting some information about operations and the use of Slackware, Fluxbox and TWM on either my home box or their Online PC and got a reply from someone called Sandro H. who indicated that they didn't know what those programmes were and suggested I use Wine to connect if I wanted to use them. Just wondering... -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 12:42:55 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:42:55 -0500 Subject: Zazeen.com In-Reply-To: <87pr5yvvde.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <87pr5yvvde.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912290442veacc806wf831ab2b501594df@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 07:05, Slack Rat wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with this company and/or their services? > > https://www.zazeen.com/OnlinePC.html > > I did send them an email requesting some information about operations > and the use of Slackware, Fluxbox and TWM on either my home box or their > Online PC and got a reply from someone called Sandro H. who indicated > that they didn't know what those programmes were and suggested I use Wine > to connect if I wanted to use them. > > Just wondering... > > -- > Slackrat > -- If they didn't know what any of those were, I'd stay far away and find some other one to use. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 12:44:36 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:44:36 -0500 Subject: Zazeen.com In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912290442veacc806wf831ab2b501594df-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <87pr5yvvde.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> <7c50d3570912290442veacc806wf831ab2b501594df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c50d3570912290444i25a5eb3fx1829528046e165ab@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 07:42, Michael Lauzon wrote: > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 07:05, Slack Rat wrote: >> Does anyone have any experience with this company and/or their services? >> >> https://www.zazeen.com/OnlinePC.html >> >> I did send them an email requesting some information about operations >> and the use of Slackware, Fluxbox and TWM on either my home box or their >> Online PC and got a reply from someone called Sandro H. who indicated >> that they didn't know what those programmes were and suggested I use Wine >> to connect if I wanted to use them. >> >> Just wondering... >> >> -- >> Slackrat >> -- > > If they didn't know what any of those were, I'd stay far away and find > some other one to use. > > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > Well, their FAQ says they support Linux, so you may have gotten an answer from a dumbass. -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon Sent from Don Mills, ON, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 12:47:07 2009 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:47:07 -0200 Subject: OT: 19 Google Wave Invites In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912290105j30750ac8h670f217742e939ff-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912290105j30750ac8h670f217742e939ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I also have some invites left. I'm on a blackberry now, so I'll have to look later to be sure how many. Send me a pvt email if y'all want one. FZ On 12/29/09, Michael Lauzon wrote: > As the title says, I've got 19 invites to give out. > > On a side note, I'm not having much luck searching for Wave, looking > for a Wave about video games, etc, anyone know of one? > > -- > Sincerely, > > Michael Lauzon > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 13:28:51 2009 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:28:51 -0500 Subject: Xfig questions Message-ID: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca> Xfig ? but why ? yes Xfig It ain't fancy, runs anywhere and for me, right now, it offers the path-of-least-resistance to publishing. I've been learning the wonders of LaTeX and Xfig seems to be the most direct route to creation of the .eps images that publishing software prefers, and it has all the features one would need from a basic drawing/ diagramming program. so the questions; how to rotate other than 90deg ? seems obvious, can't do it. If I want to use fig to create (low-accuracy) scale floorplans, by tracing over a CAD image, what's the best way to set up the scale ? Is there such thing as a table-like arrangement, and if there is, would one be able to have individual cel contents ? thanks for the help, as I turn my back on the googlfied clouded OpenGLy "modern" way, and rediscover things that were cool (and actually worked) in the '90s. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 13:41:21 2009 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:41:21 -0500 Subject: Zazeen.com In-Reply-To: <87pr5yvvde.fsf-4/PLUo9XfK9lY98wAZ3ymN+n+qDOcVZb@public.gmane.org> References: <87pr5yvvde.fsf@darkstar.azurservers.com> Message-ID: <4B3A0701.9050403@rogers.com> Slack Rat wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with this company and/or their services? > > https://www.zazeen.com/OnlinePC.html > > I did send them an email requesting some information about operations > and the use of Slackware, Fluxbox and TWM on either my home box or their > Online PC and got a reply from someone called Sandro H. who indicated > that they didn't know what those programmes were and suggested I use Wine > to connect if I wanted to use them. > > Just wondering... > > For a place that apparently runs Linux and other open source software, response doesn't seem appropriate. I wonder who responded? The janitor? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 13:51:24 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:51:24 +0300 Subject: Xfig questions In-Reply-To: <4B3A0413.6080800-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <4B3A095C.2060908@gmail.com> Sometime I find it simpler to rather write code of fig by hand or by using scripts in perl. You may first create a very simple fig content by using GUI and after that have a look to the code and change it by hand (changing parameters), and check the effect. If rotating for instance for other than 90 degrees is possible at all - try to rotate for 90 degrees first, save the result, and change 90 deg to something else by hand. There is also somewhere a technical specification of xfig file format. zb. David J Patrick wrote: > Xfig ? but why ? > yes Xfig > It ain't fancy, runs anywhere and for me, right now, it offers the > path-of-least-resistance to publishing. I've been learning the wonders > of LaTeX and Xfig seems to be the most direct route to creation of the > .eps images that publishing software prefers, and it has all the > features one would need from a basic drawing/ diagramming program. > > so the questions; > > > how to rotate other than 90deg ? > seems obvious, can't do it. > > If I want to use fig to create (low-accuracy) scale floorplans, by > tracing over a CAD image, what's the best way to set up the scale ? > > Is there such thing as a table-like arrangement, and if there is, > would one be able to have individual cel contents ? > > thanks for the help, as I turn my back on the googlfied clouded > OpenGLy "modern" way, and rediscover things that were cool (and > actually worked) in the '90s. > > djp > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 14:02:07 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:02:07 -0500 Subject: scp connection refused Message-ID: <4B3A0BDF.7040003@gmail.com> I am trying to do a scp and I get a connect refused, as far as I know I don't have a firewall setup? how would I check. thanks! -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 14:12:08 2009 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:12:08 -0300 Subject: scp connection refused In-Reply-To: <4B3A0BDF.7040003-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0BDF.7040003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1089a0320912290612s3586225j595666298a577350@mail.gmail.com> Well... Firewall isn't the only possible problem. What do you wanna transfer by scp? Do you have permissions on the file(s)? Do you have permission on the remote machine? You said you got an "connection refused" error. So, are you sure the ssh server is running on the remote machine? Try to connect by ssh: ssh user at romete-machine Or check with nmap if you can see the ssh service running on that machine: # nmap -O remote-machine Check if the ssh port is open. You should get something like: 22/tcp open ssh Cheers --- - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org - KDE Brasil Member - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > I am trying to do a scp and I get a connect refused, as far as I know I > don't have a firewall setup? how would I check. thanks! > > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 14:31:36 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:31:36 -0500 Subject: scp connection refused In-Reply-To: <4B3A0BDF.7040003-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0BDF.7040003@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > I am trying to do a scp and I get a connect refused, as far as I know I > don't have a firewall setup? how would I check. thanks! Several things could break, such as: - Yeah, firewall - Wrong IP address - Wrong port - sshd not configured or running - sshd refusing authentication method You'll surely get more information by using "scp -v" which causes ssh to print debugging messages. That should be key to figuring things out. You might start by trying to just ssh into the host; that eliminates a lot of possible issues/failure cases, and lets you concentrate on addressing "connection refused." -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Stephen Leacock - "I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I shall some day die, which is not so." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 14:38:38 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:38:38 -0500 Subject: scp connection refused In-Reply-To: <1089a0320912290612s3586225j595666298a577350-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0BDF.7040003@gmail.com> <1089a0320912290612s3586225j595666298a577350@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3A146E.8090407@gmail.com> Marcelo Cavalcante wrote: > Well... > > Firewall isn't the only possible problem. > > What do you wanna transfer by scp? Do you have permissions on the file(s)? > > Do you have permission on the remote machine? > > You said you got an "connection refused" error. So, are you sure the ssh > server is running on the remote machine? > > Try to connect by ssh: ssh user at romete-machine > > Or check with nmap if you can see the ssh service running on that > machine: # nmap -O remote-machine > > Check if the ssh port is open. You should get something like: > > 22/tcp open ssh > > Cheers > > --- > - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib > - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master > - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 > - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro > - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org > - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org > - KDE Brasil Member > - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group > - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net > > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Rajinder Yadav @gmail.com > wrote: > > I am trying to do a scp and I get a connect refused, as far as I > know I don't have a firewall setup? how would I check. thanks! Thanks! I didn't have the openssh server installed, after installing it I can now scp. -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 14:53:51 2009 From: kalibslack-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Marcelo Cavalcante) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:53:51 -0300 Subject: scp connection refused In-Reply-To: <4B3A146E.8090407-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0BDF.7040003@gmail.com> <1089a0320912290612s3586225j595666298a577350@mail.gmail.com> <4B3A146E.8090407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1089a0320912290653q35f11a8dp4bf4ab947b25499b@mail.gmail.com> Well done. ;] Don't forget to configure your openssh server to improve the security. Some basic stuffs like unable root login, etc.. Changing the default port would be a good option too. cheers --- - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org - KDE Brasil Member - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Marcelo Cavalcante wrote: > >> Well... >> >> Firewall isn't the only possible problem. >> >> What do you wanna transfer by scp? Do you have permissions on the file(s)? >> >> Do you have permission on the remote machine? >> >> You said you got an "connection refused" error. So, are you sure the ssh >> server is running on the remote machine? >> >> Try to connect by ssh: ssh user at romete-machine >> >> Or check with nmap if you can see the ssh service running on that machine: >> # nmap -O remote-machine >> >> Check if the ssh port is open. You should get something like: >> >> 22/tcp open ssh >> >> Cheers >> >> --- >> - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib >> - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master >> - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 >> - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro >> - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org >> >> - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org >> - KDE Brasil Member >> - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group >> - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Rajinder Yadav > http://devguy.ca>@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> I am trying to do a scp and I get a connect refused, as far as I >> know I don't have a firewall setup? how would I check. thanks! >> > > Thanks! I didn't have the openssh server installed, after installing it I > can now scp. > > > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 16:18:37 2009 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:18:37 -0500 Subject: Xfig questions In-Reply-To: <4B3A095C.2060908-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca> <4B3A095C.2060908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3A2BDD.3080908@linuxcaffe.ca> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > Sometime I find it simpler to rather write code of fig by hand or by > using scripts in perl. That's where I'm more likely to be using perl.. knitting a scarf for an actual programmer. Editing the .fig by hand, on the other hand, is some good thinking. > > There is also somewhere a technical specification of xfig file format. yes. I'll have to get more cozy with the spec for that. oh well. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 16:34:35 2009 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:34:35 -0500 Subject: Xfig questions In-Reply-To: <4B3A0413.6080800-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <20091229113435.02a41c80.hgibson@eol.ca> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:28:51 -0500 David J Patrick wrote: > Xfig ? but why ? > yes Xfig Yes, indeed! > so the questions; > > > how to rotate other than 90deg ? > seems obvious, can't do it. Yes, you can. When you click on any of the buttons on the side of your screen, look at the buttons on the bottom of your screen. It is there. > If I want to use fig to create (low-accuracy) scale floorplans, by > tracing over a CAD image, what's the best way to set up the scale ? Xfig is not really up to the sort of scale drawing required by CAD. If you want cheap CAD, investigate Qcad. If you are running Fedora, yum will install it. You can download it from http://www.ribbonsoft.com. Qcad is not adequate for serious engineering, but you can do nice home renovation drawings with it. You can scale (resize) complex drawings in Xfig. "Glue" all of your drawing objects into a compound object. Scale the compound object. Break the compound object. > Is there such thing as a table-like arrangement, and if there is, would > one be able to have individual cel contents ? I do not understand what you mean. You can array drawing components and edit the individual components. None of this is the least bit intelligent. If you want intelligence for this process, buy yourself a new computer, install Windows and SolidWorks. With training and support, you can keep the cost below $15,000. :) The 3D_model would be intelligent. Your drawing would be an image of the 3D_model. ProE is no longer available for Linux. I believe UG is. They took advantage of 64bit Linux before Window supported this feature. I have never had the chance to run it. > thanks for the help, as I turn my back on the googlfied clouded OpenGLy > "modern" way, and rediscover things that were cool (and actually worked) > in the '90s. Xfig uses transfig to do its file conversions. Read up on this. If you are using LaTeX, you should be using Makefile to build your documents. Since transfig runs from the command line, you can run this from Makefile, and automatically update EPS files for LaTeX, and GIF and PNG files for your website. Xfig is an adequate drawing program for anything that does not require scale dimensions. I am addicted to Xfig because of transfig. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 17:04:54 2009 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:04:54 -0500 Subject: OT: Cyrillic character domain names In-Reply-To: <4B39D044.8050304-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <3685A8FD247FA94C957C4304AB386A04364A29@cognationsvr1.Cognation.local> <4B39D044.8050304@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Dean Collins wrote: >> >> UPDATE - This is really really bad - check out the paypal phishing example >> on my blog already using Cyrillic characters >> >> >> http://blog.collins.net.pr/2009/12/de-latinisation-of-web.html >> >> >> Please forward to everyone in a position to stop ICANN, i cant believe >> they didn't think of this in advance. "I can't believe they didn't think of this in advance"... Actually, Dean Collins is using something like irony to try to suggest he *DOES* think that ICANN was ignorant of the issue. This is a Well Known Issue that people have been aware of for many years now. There was a paper in CACM back in 2002 on homograph attacks; see link from There is a counterposition that the "reactionary" attempt to keep the web Latinized is the racist/imperialist actions of the Anglo-American bits of the world, trying to hold down people of other languages and alphabets. If you are into assuming whatever you like to assume, then all of these are simultaneously fairly reasonable positions to hold. Reality is a sufficiently complex thing that there is no trivial resolution to this from either technical or political perspectives. Note that if ICANN were to refuse to accept IDN name registration, this would be likely to increase the risk of a splitting of the root, as countries that: a) Don't use Latin characters, and b) Are powerful enough to be important on the world stage, and c) Are prideful enough to like dominance over Latin-based portions of the world are likely to be willing to go their own way. China falls into that category, for sure, but is surely not alone. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach - "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/marie_von_ebnereschenbac.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 18:24:29 2009 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:24:29 -0500 Subject: Xfig questions In-Reply-To: <20091229113435.02a41c80.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229113435.02a41c80.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <4B3A495D.6000708@linuxcaffe.ca> Howard Gibson wrote: > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:28:51 -0500 > David J Patrick wrote: > >> Xfig ? but why ? >> yes Xfig > > Yes, indeed! > >> so the questions; >> >> >> how to rotate other than 90deg ? >> seems obvious, can't do it. > > Yes, you can. When you click on any of the buttons on the side of your screen, look at the buttons on the bottom of your screen. It is there. I see it, I click it, I enter non-90, and can't seem to apply it. > >> If I want to use fig to create (low-accuracy) scale floorplans, by >> tracing over a CAD image, what's the best way to set up the scale ? > > Xfig is not really up to the sort of scale drawing required by CAD. If you want cheap CAD, investigate Qcad. I designed most of the caffe, including all of the "cabinetry", using Qcad; good but overkill for the job at hand. The current mission is to provide simple graphics and illustrations for a .. book. > >> Is there such thing as a table-like arrangement, and if there is, would >> one be able to have individual cel contents ? > > I do not understand what you mean. You can array drawing components and edit the individual components. None of this is the least bit intelligent.right, makes sense, please un-send the question. ;-) If you want intelligence for this process, buy yoursel uhhh.. probably not. I've stared at AutoCAD and solidworks screens, as well as Maya and Blender, and brother, I'm not going there. ever. not with this brain. Qcad, Inkscape, Dia, Xfig, OK, anything more and I'll spend all day trying to make a rectangle. the '90s. > > Xfig uses transfig to do its file conversions. Read up on this. If you are using LaTeX, you should be using Makefile to build your documents. thank you so much for the info, I'll shoult if I get stuck again, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 18:25:52 2009 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:25:52 +0000 Subject: Xfig questions In-Reply-To: <20091229113435.02a41c80.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca>,<20091229113435.02a41c80.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:34:35 -0500 > From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Xfig questions > > Xfig is not really up to the sort of scale drawing required by CAD. If you want cheap CAD, investigate Qcad. If you are running Fedora, yum will install it. You can download it from http://www.ribbonsoft.com. Qcad is not adequate for serious engineering, but you can do nice home renovation drawings with it. > Qcad comes with a pretty good tutorial. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 18:40:23 2009 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:40:23 -0500 Subject: Xfig questions In-Reply-To: References: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca>,<20091229113435.02a41c80.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <4B3A4D17.1080200@linuxcaffe.ca> john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > Qcad comes with a pretty good tutorial. Qcad is good. I managed to get the developer to make specific knoppix tweaks, like, five years ago, and If I have to do anything 2D with reasonable accuracy, that's what I'll use. What I'm trying to realize right now, is an environment where I can bang together a quick (not too accurate) floor-plan, or plan-o-gram, and easily include that for LaTeX output. I could start with anything, but I surmise that Xfig may be closest to the bone. djp > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 20:31:04 2009 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:31:04 -0500 Subject: Xfig questions In-Reply-To: <4B3A495D.6000708-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229113435.02a41c80.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A495D.6000708@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <20091229153104.6ab9cbf0.hgibson@eol.ca> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:24:29 -0500 David J Patrick wrote: > Howard Gibson wrote: > > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:28:51 -0500 > > David J Patrick wrote: > > > >> Xfig ? but why ? > >> yes Xfig > > > > Yes, indeed! > > > >> so the questions; > >> > >> > >> how to rotate other than 90deg ? > >> seems obvious, can't do it. > > > > Yes, you can. When you click on any of the buttons on the side of your screen, look at the buttons on the bottom of your screen. It is there. > I see it, I click it, I enter non-90, and can't seem to apply it. I just tried entering -90, and it worked fine. I am on version 3.2 here. > >> If I want to use fig to create (low-accuracy) scale floorplans, by > >> tracing over a CAD image, what's the best way to set up the scale ? > I designed most of the caffe, including all of the "cabinetry", using > Qcad; good but overkill for the job at hand. The current mission is to > provide simple graphics and illustrations for a .. book. Save your QCAD image as PNG. Load the PNG image into Xfig, and trace over that. Alternatively, you can print QCAD to file. This gives you a PostScript file which you can convert to PDF, or to epsi. EPS files work fine in LaTeX. QCAD has better line thickness and layer control than Xfig. Xfig is actually quite good for artistic drawing. > uhhh.. probably not. I've stared at AutoCAD and solidworks screens, as > well as Maya and Blender, and brother, I'm not going there. ever. not > with this brain. Qcad, Inkscape, Dia, Xfig, OK, anything more and I'll > spend all day trying to make a rectangle. > the '90s. I did not mention AutoCAD or QCAD in response to this question, because they do not do tables intelligently. Just like with Xfig, you can draw something, then array it. A 5x3 array provides fifteen copies of your original drawing in a five by three array. If you want some form of intelligence, you need 3D parametric CAD software, like SolidWorks. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlow-AZu5J0u3PMt/LtIqEKMDMfN90d+awN/n at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 21:02:48 2009 From: tlow-AZu5J0u3PMt/LtIqEKMDMfN90d+awN/n at public.gmane.org (Tom Low-Shang) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:02:48 -0500 Subject: OT: 19 Google Wave Invites In-Reply-To: <7c50d3570912290105j30750ac8h670f217742e939ff-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7c50d3570912290105j30750ac8h670f217742e939ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091229210248.GB2674@goblin.tomlowshang.bogus> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 04:05:43AM -0500, Michael Lauzon wrote: > As the title says, I've got 19 invites to give out. > > On a side note, I'm not having much luck searching for Wave, looking > for a Wave about video games, etc, anyone know of one? I searched for "with:public video games" and got too many results, so you probably want to try something more specific than "video games". -- Tom Low-Shang : Email : tlow-AZu5J0u3PMt/LtIqEKMDMfN90d+awN/n at public.gmane.org XMPP : tomlowshang-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Skype : tomlowshang -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 21:11:01 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:11:01 +0300 Subject: OT: Cyrillic character domain names In-Reply-To: References: <3685A8FD247FA94C957C4304AB386A04364A29@cognationsvr1.Cognation.local> <4B39D044.8050304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3A7065.8080400@gmail.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > >> Dean Collins wrote: >> >>> UPDATE - This is really really bad - check out the paypal phishing example >>> on my blog already using Cyrillic characters >>> >>> >>> http://blog.collins.net.pr/2009/12/de-latinisation-of-web.html >>> >>> >>> Please forward to everyone in a position to stop ICANN, i cant believe >>> they didn't think of this in advance. >>> > > "I can't believe they didn't think of this in advance"... > > Actually, Dean Collins is using something like irony to try to suggest > he *DOES* think that ICANN was ignorant of the issue. > > This is a Well Known Issue that people have been aware of for many > years now. There was a paper in CACM back in 2002 on homograph > attacks; see link from > > > There is a counterposition that the "reactionary" attempt to keep the > web Latinized is the racist/imperialist actions of the Anglo-American > bits of the world, trying to hold down people of other languages and > alphabets. > > If you are into assuming whatever you like to assume, then all of > these are simultaneously fairly reasonable positions to hold. > > Reality is a sufficiently complex thing that there is no trivial > resolution to this from either technical or political perspectives. > > Note that if ICANN were to refuse to accept IDN name registration, > this would be likely to increase the risk of a splitting of the root, > as countries that: > a) Don't use Latin characters, and > b) Are powerful enough to be important on the world stage, and > c) Are prideful enough to like dominance over Latin-based portions of the world > are likely to be willing to go their own way. > > China falls into that category, for sure, but is surely not alone. > Christopher, this is a good summary of the situation. I however suspect that there is one more important factor that plays a role in this game: greed. ICAN, even though a nonprofit organization, as a any large organization is under influence of business. And these would simply like to make more money on creating a new wave of registration requests. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 21:30:38 2009 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:30:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: old Microsoft story Message-ID: Groklaw is working on the "Comes collection", a set of documents used in Iowa vs Microsoft, and then buried with the settlement. These are moderately old, but interesting to some of us: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009122612211929 I found this one interesting in how much attention they were paying to Linux / StarOffice (not OpenOffice for some reason): http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/9000/PX09683.pdf Not 100% accurate tables. Goldman Sachs wasn't yet "Public Sector". -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 21:38:47 2009 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:38:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: old Microsoft story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I forgot to mention this link from the Groklaw page. http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/9000/PX09709.pdf Microsoft Windows Priciples Twelve Tenets to Promote Competition July 2006 These seem quite reasonable, at least on the surface. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 21:49:47 2009 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:49:47 -0500 Subject: Xfig questions In-Reply-To: <20091229153104.6ab9cbf0.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229113435.02a41c80.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A495D.6000708@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229153104.6ab9cbf0.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <4B3A797B.7020305@linuxcaffe.ca> Howard Gibson wrote: > > I just tried entering -90, and it worked fine. I am on version 3.2 here. and how does -35 work for you ? > >>>> If I want to use fig to create (low-accuracy) scale floorplans, by >>>> tracing over a CAD image, what's the best way to set up the scale ? >> I designed most of the caffe, including all of the "cabinetry", using >> Qcad; good but overkill for the job at hand. The current mission is to >> provide simple graphics and illustrations for a .. book. > > Save your QCAD image as PNG. Load the PNG image into Xfig, and trace over that. oh, you mean do it twice in two different drawing packages ... ? not if I can help it. With regards to scaling floorplans, if I can make a canvas that is (theoretically) 60ft wide by 30ft high, I can bring in a .png output of the architectural drawing and scale it until it's close. Then tracing over that should give me an approximately scaled master. Another example is in trying to sketch out a planogram (retail display map) for a given area, let's say it's 5ft x 2ft, if I can make a canvas big enough, I should be able to create a master .fig and work in rough scale. Nothing is going to be to cut from it, and there's no precision required, just want to learn to "bang it out" and avoid file format translation wherever possible. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 23:12:25 2009 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:12:25 -0500 Subject: Xfig questions In-Reply-To: <4B3A797B.7020305-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229113435.02a41c80.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A495D.6000708@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229153104.6ab9cbf0.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A797B.7020305@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <20091229181225.b251d9f6.hgibson@eol.ca> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:49:47 -0500 David J Patrick wrote: > Howard Gibson wrote: > > > > I just tried entering -90, and it worked fine. I am on version 3.2 here. > and how does -35 work for you ? Xfig ignores the minus sign. Note though that there are two rotate icons, CW and CCW. > >>>> If I want to use fig to create (low-accuracy) scale floorplans, by > >>>> tracing over a CAD image, what's the best way to set up the scale ? > >> I designed most of the caffe, including all of the "cabinetry", using > >> Qcad; good but overkill for the job at hand. The current mission is to > >> provide simple graphics and illustrations for a .. book. > > > > Save your QCAD image as PNG. Load the PNG image into Xfig, and trace over that. > oh, you mean do it twice in two different drawing packages ... ? > not if I can help it. > > With regards to scaling floorplans, if I can make a canvas that is > (theoretically) 60ft wide by 30ft high, I can bring in a .png output of > the architectural drawing and scale it until it's close. Then tracing > over that should give me an approximately scaled master. > > Another example is in trying to sketch out a planogram (retail display > map) for a given area, let's say it's 5ft x 2ft, if I can make a canvas > big enough, I should be able to create a master .fig and work in rough > scale. If I were doing this, I would use QCAD. You can draw accurately to draw to scale and apply dimensions. You can create blocks that accurately represent the objects that will be deployed in your retail display. Consider modeling everything that will go into your display, possibly including someone's hands. I am a mechanical designer, and I go all the way back to drafting boards. I even have one in my computer room here. There is a reason designers design stuff using scale drawings. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 29 19:49:57 2009 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:49:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Xfig questions In-Reply-To: <4B3A2BDD.3080908-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca> <4B3A095C.2060908@gmail.com> <4B3A2BDD.3080908@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <14806.99.253.254.243.1262116197.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> >> There is also somewhere a technical specification of xfig file format. > yes. I'll have to get more cozy with the spec for that. oh well. > djp > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > I wrote a tutorial paper on Xfig. It's available under 'white papers' at the url: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock/ It is definitely possible to rotate by an arbitrary angle. Select one of the two 'rotation' icons in the main menu. Left-click (mouse button 1) on the 'rotn angle' button at the bottom of the screen. A widget pops up where you can enter a new rotation angle. Thereafter, select a rotation icon in the main menu and click on an object to rotate it through that angle. When exporting to Latex, bear in mind that some rotation angles are not supported in some export format. However, .eps should be fine for anything. Why use anything else than eps? Because other formats (such as pictex) allow one to type in a latex math formula into a diagram. I'll elaborate if that is of interest. You can definitely make scale drawings with Xfig. The maintainer (Brian Smith, as I recall) uses it mainly for that purpose. Peter(_2;) -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 30 00:29:48 2009 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:29:48 -0500 Subject: Xfig questions In-Reply-To: <20091229181225.b251d9f6.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229113435.02a41c80.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A495D.6000708@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229153104.6ab9cbf0.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A797B.7020305@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229181225.b251d9f6.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <4B3A9EFC.5020806@linuxcaffe.ca> Howard Gibson wrote: > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:49:47 -0500 > David J Patrick wrote: >> and how does -35 work for you ? > > Xfig ignores the minus sign. Note though that there are two rotate icons, CW and CCW. but you CAN apply a non-90deg rotation using the dialog ? It works just great CW and CCW, dancing center-point and all, but at anything other than 90, for me, objects cannot be selected for rotation. > If I were doing this, I would use QCAD. You can draw accurately to draw to scale and apply dimensions. Well I have most of this building in QCad now, and all I really want is a simple floorplan outline where I can push objects around and print out the results. For me, working in QCad is fairly dog-slow, because after a year or so, I have to completely relearn CAD. I can do it, but was fishing for something lighter and with fewer steps to print. My experiences with including various image formats within postscript or tex, is that the process is often brutal on the images. You can create blocks that accurately represent the objects that will be deployed in your retail display. Consider modeling everything that will go into your display, possibly including someone's hands. I could do that in QCad, Inkscape, Dia or Xfig, too, but less is more. I'd rather have a pad of printed outlines and pencil-in the working diagram. For this incarnation, my design time (at the computer) had better be minimized.. did I mention I was slow ? I can't afford the time and the end result would be weak AND overkill. > > I am a mechanical designer, and I go all the way back to drafting boards. I even have one in my computer room here. Heck, I've done loads of work on a drafting table for designing machines, furniture, lighting rigs and and lighting plots. If I had been using one today, I could have knocked out everything in about the time it has take to compose these emails, but they'd still be some distance from .eps, and the drafting table is buried in the basement. There is a reason designers design stuff using scale drawings. Yes, because anything else is a wild guess. Scale is the way to go, but my my need for precision is very low in this case. so can ya tell me please how to make an Xfig canvas a hypothetical 60ft wide x 30ft tall ? canya huh ? thanks, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 30 00:47:42 2009 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:47:42 -0500 Subject: Xfig questions In-Reply-To: <14806.99.253.254.243.1262116197.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca> <4B3A095C.2060908@gmail.com> <4B3A2BDD.3080908@linuxcaffe.ca> <14806.99.253.254.243.1262116197.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <4B3AA32E.2030606@linuxcaffe.ca> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > I wrote a tutorial paper on Xfig. It's available under 'white papers' at > the url: > > http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock/ I most certainly noticed that Peter, I learned a lot from it and will be re-reading it for what I missed or wasn't able to process. > > It is definitely possible to rotate by an arbitrary angle. Select one of > the two 'rotation' icons in the main menu. Left-click (mouse button 1) on > the 'rotn angle' button at the bottom of the screen. A widget pops up > where you can enter a new rotation angle. Thereafter, select a rotation > icon in the main menu and click on an object to rotate it through that > angle. That seems to be the thory, and here (ubuntu 9.04 + Xfig3.2patch5) that behavior hold true /only/ for 90deg. Otherwise no object is selectable (nor rotates) .. ? > > When exporting to Latex, bear in mind that some rotation angles are not > supported in some export format. However, .eps should be fine for > anything. I'm trying to train myself to work from text towards latex, because I hope to script a lot of the process, and I want to be able to push most any content through a limited set of .sty les. I'm going to outsource the aesthetic. My Mom was an habitual publisher and as a result, I'm a wiz at letraset etc and literal cut-and-paste and lay-out. To bad my actual graphics ability is so lame. > Why use anything else than eps? Because other formats (such as pictex) > allow one to type in a latex math formula into a diagram. I'll elaborate > if that is of interest. I have no need for it a.t.m., but I see how pictex is the second step up in image complexity. I'll cross that bridge when I'm forced over it by the content. > > You can definitely make scale drawings with Xfig. The maintainer (Brian > Smith, as I recall) uses it mainly for that purpose. Yeah, half of the examples would have demanded it. thanks Peter, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 30 01:18:57 2009 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:18:57 -0500 Subject: Xfig questions In-Reply-To: <4B3A9EFC.5020806-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229113435.02a41c80.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A495D.6000708@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229153104.6ab9cbf0.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A797B.7020305@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229181225.b251d9f6.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A9EFC.5020806@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <20091229201857.43d2730d.hgibson@eol.ca> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:29:48 -0500 David J Patrick wrote: > > so can ya tell me please how to make an Xfig canvas a hypothetical 60ft > wide x 30ft tall ? canya huh ? > > thanks, > djp David, I suggest you set your units to Imperial decimal. This gives you a 60x30 grid that fits on your screen. Xfig may think you have set your units to Imperial Decimal. It has no way of knowing that you are working in Kampuchean Furlongs, Etruscan light years or some proprietary unit of yours that you have named after your cat. Even a sophisticated CAD package like AutoCAD has no clue of what its numbers mean. Provide a scale bar to indicate some nominal length. In SolidWorks, you can tell the software to draw a rectangle 30mm wide, by 4.5" long. Your $13K investment is not entirely a waste! -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 30 01:28:03 2009 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:28:03 -0500 Subject: Xfig questions In-Reply-To: <20091229201857.43d2730d.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229113435.02a41c80.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A495D.6000708@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229153104.6ab9cbf0.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A797B.7020305@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229181225.b251d9f6.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A9EFC.5020806@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229201857.43d2730d.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <4B3AACA3.8050800@linuxcaffe.ca> Howard Gibson wrote: > I suggest you set your units to Imperial decimal. This gives you a 60x30 grid that fits on your screen. why that's clever. It makes the carpenter in me shudder, but I can deal with that ;-) > In SolidWorks, you can tell the software to draw a rectangle 30mm wide, by 4.5" long. Your $13K investment is not entirely a waste! for thirteen grand you are invited to WorkStupid(tm) "yes boss! z-axis in angstroms ? you got it !" [cut to: grown men in hard hats weeping openly] djp > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 30 01:54:36 2009 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:54:36 -0500 Subject: Oki c3200 laser printer color catastrophe Message-ID: <4B3AB2DC.8010700@linuxcaffe.ca> Alright, maybe not a catastrophe, but still.. I lucked into a color laser printer (wwink) and just in time, too, cuz I gots colored things ta print, but DANG! dem colors is ugly ! In black an white, it's all crisp and loverly, but go to color mode and ppeee-yewww ! it's like BAD ! colors are triple saturated, and registration between colors is off. It's bad enough that the test chart looks like an abstract. This is after running the auto-color calibration and then manually dialing the C, the M and the Y all the way down (three notches) It's like I'm using the wrong driver, or color-system, but I'm not. It's an off-the-shelf linux driver and sending postscript to a postscript printer. clues ? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 30 01:59:44 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:59:44 -0500 Subject: truly odd LG DVD-writer "feature" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091230015944.GA8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 01:36:38AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Clifford told me about this, and I think you deserve to be warned. > > LG DVD writers have some whacky feature in the firmware. When the > drive is empty and closed, it tells the OS that it has a disk, and > that (simulated) disk has a program called "Bluebirds", in MS Windows > .exe format. Only GH22xx50 models apparently. And it was removed in newer firmware releases so quite likely new shipments no longer have it. It was apparently not popular at all. > Recommendation: stay away from those drives. > > http://www.msfn.org/board/lg-gh22ns50-bluebirds-removal-tool-t135300-page-20.html > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1216969 > > There is a firmware update to remove this feature. But you appear to > need Windows to flash the update. Make sure that your drive is not > empty when you boot into Windows: otherwise, I think Bluebirds will > install on that machine. Yikes. Didn't they finally disable autorun for CD/DVD in Windows? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 30 02:03:38 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:03:38 -0500 Subject: Oki c3200 laser printer color catastrophe In-Reply-To: <4B3AB2DC.8010700-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3AB2DC.8010700@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <20091230020338.GB8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 08:54:36PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > Alright, maybe not a catastrophe, but still.. > I lucked into a color laser printer (wwink) and just in time, too, cuz I > gots colored things ta print, but DANG! dem colors is ugly ! > > In black an white, it's all crisp and loverly, but go to color mode and > ppeee-yewww ! it's like BAD ! colors are triple saturated, and > registration between colors is off. It's bad enough that the test chart > looks like an abstract. This is after running the auto-color calibration > and then manually dialing the C, the M and the Y all the way down (three > notches) > > It's like I'm using the wrong driver, or color-system, but I'm not. > It's an off-the-shelf linux driver and sending postscript to a > postscript printer. Well the .ppd file should have options for colour settings that applications can use, so maybe that is an option. > clues ? If you want good colour, you use an epson inkjet, not a laser printer in general. Some have pantone calibration and such (some xerox models for example) that may help, but I don't know if very many do. Of course it could be defective too. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 30 02:18:10 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:18:10 -0500 Subject: semi-OT: multiple monitors with Dell Inspiron 530 In-Reply-To: <1f13df280912262031v39e0fc01p92c8b74728fa6403-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912262031v39e0fc01p92c8b74728fa6403@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091230021810.GC8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:31:30PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > The previously mentioned Samsung monitor is now attached to a Dell > Inspiron 530 (a desktop, not a laptop). The machine has built-in > Intel video, which would have worked fine for my purposes, except I > wanted dual head. So I bought a Nvidia 6200 based dual head PCI-E > card, which I've been reasonably happy with. I already have two LCDs > attached to the Dell, but it would appear that it's impossible to add > a third to this machine. I've updated the BIOS to the latest version > and it's still impossible to use the onboard and PCI-E video cards at > the same time. If you boot with both connected, a BIOS level warning > comes up: "oooh, I see you have an add-in card, you couldn't possibly > want to use this. To fix this problem please turn off the machine and > disconnect the built-in card." Okay, I changed the wording, but > that's what it says. You can force it to go on ... and then it > disables the PCI-E and boots up. The reverse is also possible: if you > boot with the PCI-E, the onboard is disabled. It treats PCI cards the > same way: "this is the built-in card you don't want to use etc." So > it would appear that using three screens on this machine, which was my > intention, is impossible. > > Is there any way to get around this? So far I've come up with "never > buy Dell again" - I'm not just forestalling Lennart here, I'm totally > disgusted with them. The one good thing about this machine is the > 2.4GHz C2Q chip, which is wonderful. The only other option seems to > be buying a new mobo. But that would recommend a new case, and > probably a new video card, memory ... oh wait, that's practically > buying a new computer. So no, I don't want to follow that route just > yet. But I'd really like to have three monitors ... Don't forget a new power supply (I doubt Dell has stopped using custom power connectors). Apparently the way intel's onboard video works is that it uses the PCIe x16 link that the add on video card needs internally. So if an add in card is used it has to route the connection to the slot and disable the onboard video. A few motherboards have a BIOS option to make it work anyhow, but the way they do it is by forcing the add in card to run as a PCIe x1 slot, leaving the x16 for the onboard video. The option is usually labeled 'PEG Force x1' or similar (for PCI express graphics force x1). Some add in cards will work in x1 mode, some will not. So if the BIOS has that option and the video card works in that mode, then it should be possible. Otherwise it is not. Not as such Dell's fault in this case (other than leaving out the BIOS option perhaps if it isn't there). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 30 02:21:21 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:21:21 -0500 Subject: semi-OT: multiple monitors with Dell Inspiron 530 In-Reply-To: <1f13df280912271141ia0a4be7o7b2076f3fa59d55f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912262031v39e0fc01p92c8b74728fa6403@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280912271141ia0a4be7o7b2076f3fa59d55f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091230022121.GD8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 02:41:58PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote: > Did you do that? Did you actually buy and successfully install a PCI > video card? Because my limited testing suggests that the Dell BIOS > would disable the PCI-E video card if you used a PCI video card and > vice versa. I have a spare, very old PCI card that I can try, I > suppose that would be the sensible thing to do. I'll try that and > report back. Well unfortunately very old PCI cards didn't support sharing and other cards would be disabled if they were installed (or they simply wouldn't work). The BIOS setting for PEG/PCI to initialize first decides that part. Newer PCI cards were designed for use with AGP and PCIe cards and should work fine. Then there is the matrox video splitter devices of course, which might be an option. > Two or more PCI-E slots cost money. Dell doesn't spend any more of > that than they have to. I only wish I had another PCI-E slot ... Well that would mean a different chipset (which would not have onboard video at all) and hence a much more expensive machine. > Right at the moment I'm looking at Xdmx, but it's not very promising > as it means having to run two computers, and it also would probably > make suspending the main machine extremely iffy - I'm not up to > writing suspend scripts at all, never mind the level of complexity > that would probably be required to re-establish an Xdmx connection > after the machine came out of suspend ... -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 30 02:28:36 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:28:36 -0500 Subject: OT: Samsung 2343 monitor In-Reply-To: <05935A8B-E0CD-40D6-8DF5-1EB15F0BD7F5-HInyCGIudOg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912261947v69775fddje04e1a45846dae2c@mail.gmail.com> <4B376B72.7090304@rogers.com> <05935A8B-E0CD-40D6-8DF5-1EB15F0BD7F5@acm.org> Message-ID: <20091230022836.GE8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 09:39:48AM -0500, Phillip Mills wrote: > On 2009-12-27, at 9:13 AM, James Knott wrote: > > > I've got the converter on the HDMI input, my main computer on DVI and a KVM switch on the VGA input. > > I've been wanting a LCD screen to attach to my laptop when I'm using it at my desk. I have a DVI (female) connector for the computer -- DVI-D (dual link) according to the Wikipedia diagrams. > > Dumb question: Do the monitors come with cables for attaching to their DVI input? (I've read a couple of boxes without it being clear.) If not, is there a standard kind of connector that I would need to match? Some monitors include cables (My Dell 2407WFP and 2408WFP came with vga and dvi cables (for the 2407WFP) and vga, dvi and displayport cables for the 2408WFP). Cheap monitors often only include VGA. DVI cables are not that expensive at your local computer store. Single link DVI should work for up to 27" (1920x1200 resolution) while dual link DVI cables are required for the 30" LCDs (2560x1600 resolution). So the dual link port on the laptop should work fine with a single link cable to a monitor that isn't a 30" monster. The 30" monsters come with cables. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 30 02:30:13 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:30:13 -0500 Subject: OT: Samsung 2343 monitor In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880912281206q13ce3ebdja3cb920232fbf5a2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280912261947v69775fddje04e1a45846dae2c@mail.gmail.com> <4B376B72.7090304@rogers.com> <05935A8B-E0CD-40D6-8DF5-1EB15F0BD7F5@acm.org> <4B3774CF.7090900@rogers.com> <1f13df280912270710j3291b0c1g563c528aa980d65d@mail.gmail.com> <32f6a8880912281206q13ce3ebdja3cb920232fbf5a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091230023013.GF8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 03:06:03PM -0500, Dave Germiquet wrote: > Giles, would you suggest that monitor to someone else thinking of > buying it? With the difficulties or is it not worth the trouble? I love my Dell 2408WFP (and my mom now has the U2410 that replaces it, which is an IPS panel and even nicer than the PVA panel in the 2408). Yeah it is $500 on sale ($750 regular) but they should last for years and multiple computers and what did the computer cost you anyhow? Why buy cheap junk? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 30 03:16:09 2009 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:16:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Xfig questions In-Reply-To: <4B3A9EFC.5020806-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229113435.02a41c80.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A495D.6000708@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229153104.6ab9cbf0.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A797B.7020305@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229181225.b251d9f6.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A9EFC.5020806@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <12974.99.253.254.243.1262142969.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > so can ya tell me please how to make an Xfig canvas a hypothetical 60ft > wide x 30ft tall ? canya huh ? Why not just assume that one inch equals one foot (or some such)? That's how we used to do it manually. P. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 30 06:25:42 2009 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:25:42 -0500 Subject: Xfig questions In-Reply-To: <4B3AACA3.8050800-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229113435.02a41c80.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A495D.6000708@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229153104.6ab9cbf0.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A797B.7020305@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229181225.b251d9f6.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A9EFC.5020806@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229201857.43d2730d.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3AACA3.8050800@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <20091230012542.9ef25541.hgibson@eol.ca> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:28:03 -0500 David J Patrick wrote: > Howard Gibson wrote: > > I suggest you set your units to Imperial decimal. This gives you a 60x30 grid that fits on your screen. > why that's clever. It makes the carpenter in me shudder, but I can deal > with that ;-) > > In SolidWorks, you can tell the software to draw a rectangle 30mm wide, by 4.5" long. Your $13K investment is not entirely a waste! > for thirteen grand you are invited to WorkStupid(tm) > "yes boss! z-axis in angstroms ? you got it !" > [cut to: grown men in hard hats weeping openly] > djp David, Don't sell SolidWorks short. I have just finished a shed in my back yard. I did the basic design in SolidWorks. I made all sorts of horrible carpentry mistakes in 3D, on my computer. Some people watching me actually build the thing probably thought I knew what I was doing. I have an architect's scale. From QCAD, I can print to scale and measure stuff off my drawing. From Xfig, at best, you will have to scale, and calculate. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 30 06:41:32 2009 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:41:32 -0500 Subject: Xfig questions In-Reply-To: <4B3AACA3.8050800-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229113435.02a41c80.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A495D.6000708@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229153104.6ab9cbf0.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A797B.7020305@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229181225.b251d9f6.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3A9EFC.5020806@linuxcaffe.ca> <20091229201857.43d2730d.hgibson@eol.ca> <4B3AACA3.8050800@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <20091230014132.ead9890e.hgibson@eol.ca> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:28:03 -0500 David J Patrick wrote: > Howard Gibson wrote: > > I suggest you set your units to Imperial decimal. This gives you a 60x30 grid that fits on your screen. > why that's clever. It makes the carpenter in me shudder, but I can deal > with that ;-) > > In SolidWorks, you can tell the software to draw a rectangle 30mm wide, by 4.5" long. Your $13K investment is not entirely a waste! > for thirteen grand you are invited to WorkStupid(tm) > "yes boss! z-axis in angstroms ? you got it !" > [cut to: grown men in hard hats weeping openly] > djp David, One final thought about CAD. The correct way to work in CAD is to draw at 1:1 scale, and to scale the output to the printer. QCAD works this way. You can do this in AutoCAD too. There are AutoCAD users who scale their drawing, and then print this 1:1. These users should be shot and peed on. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 30 07:53:03 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 02:53:03 -0500 Subject: scp connection refused In-Reply-To: <1089a0320912290653q35f11a8dp4bf4ab947b25499b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0BDF.7040003@gmail.com> <1089a0320912290612s3586225j595666298a577350@mail.gmail.com> <4B3A146E.8090407@gmail.com> <1089a0320912290653q35f11a8dp4bf4ab947b25499b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3B06DF.5050101@gmail.com> Marcelo Cavalcante wrote: > Well done. ;] > > Don't forget to configure your openssh server to improve the security. > > Some basic stuffs like unable root login, etc.. > thanks for the tips, behind a router firewall, just wanted a way to transfer a few files between my box and laptop on internal lan. > Changing the default port would be a good option too. > > cheers > > --- > - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib > - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master > - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 > - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro > - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org > - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org > - KDE Brasil Member > - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group > - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net > > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Rajinder Yadav @gmail.com > wrote: > > Marcelo Cavalcante wrote: > > Well... > > Firewall isn't the only possible problem. > > What do you wanna transfer by scp? Do you have permissions on > the file(s)? > > Do you have permission on the remote machine? > > You said you got an "connection refused" error. So, are you sure > the ssh server is running on the remote machine? > > Try to connect by ssh: ssh user at romete-machine > > Or check with nmap if you can see the ssh service running on > that machine: # nmap -O remote-machine > > Check if the ssh port is open. You should get something like: > > 22/tcp open ssh > > Cheers > > --- > - ?v? Marcelo Cavalcante Rocha / Kalib > - /(_)\ ITIL V3 Foundation Certified | Certified Scrum Master > - ^ ^ Usu?rio Linux #407564 / Usu?rio Asterisk #1148 > - GNU-Linux - Livre, Poderoso e Seguro > - TUX-CE Member - www.tux-ce.org > > > - Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org > - KDE Brasil Member > - TLUG Member - Toronto Linux User Group > - http://www.marcelocavalcante.net > > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Rajinder Yadav @gmail.com > > wrote: > > I am trying to do a scp and I get a connect refused, as far as I > know I don't have a firewall setup? how would I check. thanks! > > > Thanks! I didn't have the openssh server installed, after installing > it I can now scp. > > > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 30 08:29:07 2009 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:29:07 +0300 Subject: OT: Cyrillic character domain names In-Reply-To: <4B39D044.8050304-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <3685A8FD247FA94C957C4304AB386A04364A29@cognationsvr1.Cognation.local> <4B39D044.8050304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B3B0F53.9030605@gmail.com> Rajinder Yadav wrote: > Dean Collins wrote: >> UPDATE - This is really really bad - check out the paypal phishing >> example on my blog already using Cyrillic characters >> >> >> http://blog.collins.net.pr/2009/12/de-latinisation-of-web.html >> In theory, one could always check if the site is "real" or phishing goes around, by examining carefully security certificate. In practice - I doubt if the problem can be avoided that way. But here the "security certificate" rings in my left ear. Quantum Computing is going to happen within a decade. There will be no present day security certificates any more. And all the carefully encrypted email messages stored so far by Google Mail will become a clear text messages available for free reading by /*Sergey Brin and Larry Page. zb. */ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 30 16:04:37 2009 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:04:37 -0500 Subject: Xfig questions - now rotating In-Reply-To: <4B3A0413.6080800-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3A0413.6080800@linuxcaffe.ca> Message-ID: <4B3B7A15.1030507@linuxcaffe.ca> David J Patrick wrote: > how to rotate other than 90deg ? > seems obvious, can't do it. As it turns out, the objects that would not rotate other than 90, were rectangles. Rectangles rota 90de, period. Four-sided polygons, on the other hand, will happily revolve in any increment. hulloooo documentation... :-) AND I have found suitable kludges to manage my psudo-scaling, so all is well in the land of Xfig.. now on to the ppd for the OKI3200. thanks all for playing, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 30 21:13:16 2009 From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Weait) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:13:16 -0500 Subject: Favorite Linux innovation of 2009 Message-ID: Okay, maybe this isn't serious enough to make our Top Ten list for the decade but I can't describe how giddy this makes me feel. You know how "every" top40 / pop20 song has that same mechanical vocal sound? That's autotuning and it is beautifully parodied here (some NSFW language) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dqTrUpmwPg#t=02m06s Now available for Linux. Apparently as a JACK compatible plugin. http://web.mit.edu/tbaran/www/autotalent.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 31 01:17:43 2009 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:17:43 -0200 Subject: Favorite Linux innovation of 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Loved the name. :-) On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > Okay, maybe this isn't serious enough to make our Top Ten list for the > decade but I can't describe how giddy this makes me feel. ?You know > how "every" top40 / pop20 song has that same mechanical vocal sound? > That's autotuning and it is beautifully parodied here (some NSFW > language) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dqTrUpmwPg#t=02m06s > > Now available for Linux. Apparently as a JACK compatible plugin. > > http://web.mit.edu/tbaran/www/autotalent.html > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 31 01:40:42 2009 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:40:42 -0500 Subject: [OT] C-Jump: The Computer Programming Board Game Message-ID: <99a6c38f0912301740j3b678f4clcead18c23f8df875@mail.gmail.com> Thought this was kind of neat: "Discover fundamentals of computer programming by playing a board game! c-jump helps children to learn basics of programming languages, such as C, C++ and Java." http://www.c-jump.com/ Cheers and a Happy New Year to all! -- ?Scott Elcomb ?http://www.psema4.com/ ? @psema4 ?Member of the Pirate Party of Canada ?http://www.pirateparty.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 31 11:07:04 2009 From: devguy.ca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Rajinder Yadav) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:07:04 -0500 Subject: dual booting Message-ID: <4B3C85D8.5090905@gmail.com> I managed to install Kubuntu 9.10 on my laptop, the updated install CD seems to have fixed previous install bugs. This time the install went well.My audio works and I don't get a blank screen and hang after a reboot. I've usually installed Windows first then installed Linux and allowed the installer to find Windows to setup the dual boot. This time I am doing thing the other way around. So what do I need to save, backup? How to I get gurb repaired to dual boot? I am assuming Kubuntu 9.10 is using grub 2.0? Thanks! -- Kind Regards, Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 31 14:31:35 2009 From: fabio.fzero-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Fabio FZero) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:31:35 -0200 Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <4B3C85D8.5090905-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3C85D8.5090905@gmail.com> Message-ID: First things first: backup whatever is important to you, no matter what -- after all, you'll probably have to repartition the drive. Despite all the nifty interfaces and endless promises of safe filesystem resizing, it doesn't hurt to have your bases covered. The best way to prepare the system is to leave some unpartitioned space and let the windows installer format it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Windows XP requires a primary partition to be installed. Windows 7 uses a slightly different boot process which seems to require a small boot partition besides the one where the system will actually live, but it's best to let the installer do this for you. Windows will -- as always -- destroy Grub in the MBR. If Kubuntu is still using Grub 1.x, you just need to reboot with the Live CD and re-run grub-install. I don't know exactly how to repair Grub 2 yet, but it shouldn't be more difficult. FZ On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > I managed to install Kubuntu 9.10 on my laptop, the updated install CD seems > to have fixed previous install bugs. This time the install went well.My > audio works and I don't get a blank screen and hang after a reboot. > > I've usually installed Windows first then installed Linux and allowed the > installer to find Windows to setup the dual boot. This time I am doing thing > the other way around. > > So what do I need to save, backup? How to I get gurb repaired to dual boot? > I am assuming Kubuntu 9.10 is using grub 2.0? > > Thanks! > > > -- > Kind Regards, > Rajinder Yadav | http://DevMentor.org | Do Good! - Share Freely > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. ? ? ?Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 31 19:18:18 2009 From: mlauzon-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Lauzon) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:18:18 -0500 Subject: Jolicloud: Rediscover your netbook Message-ID: <7c50d3570912311118m52c7dc6dtd8d893e1c239233b@mail.gmail.com> Just found out about this today, they have two versions, a normal version and a pro version, the latter is a downloadable ISO, while the former is an EXE that can be executed from within Windows: http://www.jolicloud.com/ -- Sincerely, Michael Lauzon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 31 19:58:17 2009 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:58:17 -0500 Subject: dual booting In-Reply-To: <4B3C85D8.5090905-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4B3C85D8.5090905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091231195817.GG8606@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 06:07:04AM -0500, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > I managed to install Kubuntu 9.10 on my laptop, the updated install CD > seems to have fixed previous install bugs. This time the install went > well.My audio works and I don't get a blank screen and hang after a > reboot. > > I've usually installed Windows first then installed Linux and allowed > the installer to find Windows to setup the dual boot. This time I am > doing thing the other way around. Windows doesn't give a shit about other OSs nor the users interest in those other OSs. So why would you make your life painful by doing it in a way you know is simply stupid? > So what do I need to save, backup? How to I get grub repaired to dual > boot? I am assuming Kubuntu 9.10 is using grub 2.0? Boot the installer, mount the Linux drives, chroot there, and reinstall grub to the MBR and then figure out how to add the windows partition to the grub menu if you don't have something like update-grub that might do it automatically (It seems Debian testing/unstable at least can auto detect windows partitions now and add them to grub's menu). -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists