From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 1 01:48:51 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:48:51 -0400 Subject: debugging javascript In-Reply-To: <7ac602420808311648g368d5bbco1d6e13614585e9eb-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1220188856.3909.18.camel@aragorn> <99a6c38f0808310827r34e9f531x9aff382070e2c29@mail.gmail.com> <1220214416.8365.10.camel@aragorn> <7ac602420808311648g368d5bbco1d6e13614585e9eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220233731.9525.23.camel@aragorn> On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 19:48 -0400, Ian Petersen wrote: > I saved a copy of your page to my disk and browsed to the local copy, > thinking I could play around with it from there. It failed when you > tried to send null with the XMLHttpRequest. I think you might want to > send the empty string, instead. > > For some reason, though, none of your functions seem to get called > when I browse to the version hosted on your server. One thing you > might want to try is change > > and Javascript is understood. > It could be that Firefox isn't even parsing the script, although that > seems a little weird. > getData() is definitely called, since it successfully executes XMLHttpRequestObject.open("GET", dataSource); inside the function. This is verified by firebug. It even shows me the contents of the file retrieved. Problem is, it is not parsed into a list for the dropdown menu. > Also, I think you may need to change the following code: > > function MouseEvent(e) { > if (e) { > this.e=e; > } else { > this.e=window.event; > } > > if (e.pageX) { > this.x=e.pageX; > } else { > this.x=e.clientX; > } > > if (e.pageY) { > this.y=e.pageY; > } else { > this.y=e.clientY; > } > > if (e.target) { > this.target=e.target; > } else { > this.target=e.srcElement; > } > } > > First, MouseEvent is probably a bad name for the function because the > DOM spec defines something by the same name and you might be running > into name conflicts. Second, every bare reference to the variable 'e' > after the first if should probably be referring to 'this.e'. > > If the > first if block falls through to the else case, then the variable named > e is probably undefined, in which case every reference thereafter is > going to be an error. Now that I look at it, if I make this.e = e; (supposing e exists), then would it not be understood that therefore this.e.pageX already *has* e.pageX? That is, assigning e to this.e should assign the properties and methods of e to this.e with just one assignment, shouldn't it? But Holzner (the author of the code) has stated in another part of the book (Ajax Bible), that the first "if" is whether an "e" is to be passed at all; the second and subsequent "if" statements test to see whether the event occurred in the client area of the browser. If it does, then it should have "pageX" and "pageY" properties. If it doesn't then it falls back to the window object for the assignment. Therefore, success of the first "if" does not guarantee the success of the subsequent "if" statements. OTOH, failure of the first "if", as you say, will cause everything else to fall through also. > I noticed you're generating debug output with document.write(). You > probably don't want to do that. If you ever manage to execute a > document.write(), the argument will replace the contents of the > current document, rather than appending to it, so you'll lose > everything. It would be better to have a
with an id like > "debug" that you append to using the DOM. (ie. > document.getElementById("debug").appendChild(document.createTextNode("debug > comment here"));) > > Finally, you may want to start out making your code work in either > Firefox or IE and then add cross-browser compatibility code later. > Some of your confusion may come from your attempts to make the code > work in standards-compliant browsers and IE simultaneously. All good suggestions, thanks for your help. Paul > > Ian > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > � -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 1 02:33:00 2008 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:33:00 -0400 Subject: debugging javascript In-Reply-To: <1220233731.9525.23.camel@aragorn> References: <1220188856.3909.18.camel@aragorn> <99a6c38f0808310827r34e9f531x9aff382070e2c29@mail.gmail.com> <1220214416.8365.10.camel@aragorn> <7ac602420808311648g368d5bbco1d6e13614585e9eb@mail.gmail.com> <1220233731.9525.23.camel@aragorn> Message-ID: <7ac602420808311933i165fb399jfe9c8f070a314092@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Paul King wrote: > OK, the change is made. However, isn't javascript the default in > Firefox? I understand I should get away with just > > and Javascript is understood. That could be. I was just grasping at straws trying to explain to myself why the script doesn't seem to execute at all in my Firefox (2.0.0.14) or Seamonkey (1.1.9). With the Venkman debugger, my breakpoints in checkMenu() are never tripped. I have to admit, though, I didn't expect that changing the
Tyler Paul King wrote: > Hello > > Some time ago, I was playing around with Ajax/JavaScript and CSS and while I > got both to work in Firefox and Opera browsers, I find that Internet Exlplorer, > Safari and Chrome all choke on the Javascript. > > All browsers display the CSS all right, but the JavaScript doesn't work in the > dropdown menus for IE, Safari, and Chrome. > > Strange part is, the Ajax/JavaScript for all browsers seems to work on the link > at the bottom of the page that says "How this page was put together". And it > indeed work for every browser I tried. > > The part that IE chokes on are dropdowns such as: > >
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> > The part that works for everybody is a link that I put together with some > guesswork: > > color="blue">How this page was put together > > As you can see, both tags call the same function, and send existing files as > parameters. Both work as expected under Firefox and Opera. However, under the > other browsers, they seem to choke on the form code. Can anyone shed light on > this? > > The website is at http://testing.alimentarus.net/index.html > > Thanks. > > Paul King > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 15 19:43:57 2008 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:43:57 -0400 Subject: Part time SysAdmins Message-ID: <041201c9176b$6573b0b0$305b1210$@com> Hello All, I have a buddy who is a Solaris (slowaris) and SAN Admin at a popular telco. He is looking for part time work. Does anyone know of good places to look for part time work? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 15 19:45:23 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:45:23 -0400 Subject: Part time SysAdmins In-Reply-To: <041201c9176b$6573b0b0$305b1210$@com> References: <041201c9176b$6573b0b0$305b1210$@com> Message-ID: <20080915194523.GB25982@watson-wilson.ca> He might try craigslist. -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 15 21:25:06 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:25:06 -0400 Subject: Part time SysAdmins In-Reply-To: <041201c9176b$6573b0b0$305b1210$@com> References: <041201c9176b$6573b0b0$305b1210$@com> Message-ID: <48CED2B2.8050605@rogers.com> Ansar Mohammed wrote: > > a popular telco > Oxymoron alert! ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 15 21:37:48 2008 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:37:48 -0400 Subject: Part time SysAdmins In-Reply-To: <48CED2B2.8050605-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <041201c9176b$6573b0b0$305b1210$@com> <48CED2B2.8050605@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200809151737.49623.glayng@sympatico.ca> On Monday 15 September 2008 17:25, James Knott wrote: > Ansar Mohammed wrote: > > a popular telco > > Oxymoron alert! ;-) Yes, the list of popular telcos is very, very short. ^_^ -- there's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 16 00:47:46 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:47:46 -0400 Subject: Eee PC apps Message-ID: <48CF0232.8000009@rogers.com> I've recently received my Eee PC from the Royal Bank and now I'm looking for a couple of apps that I don't seem to see. Does anyone know of versions of minicom or OpenVPN for this device? tnx jk -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 16 12:33:02 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:33:02 -0400 Subject: Eee PC apps In-Reply-To: <48CF0232.8000009-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <48CF0232.8000009@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20080916123302.GB3735@watson-wilson.ca> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 08:47:46PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > I've recently received my Eee PC from the Royal Bank and now I'm looking > for a couple of apps that I don't seem to see. Does anyone know of > versions of minicom or OpenVPN for this device? If you are looking for a VPN client then I assume that security is a concern. I have heard that the Eee, as it is shipped, can be rooted. I have also heard that it has no Iptables. If that is true then you might consider reinstalling it with one of the up and coming distributions that support it. -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 16 14:24:55 2008 From: matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Matt Middleton) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:24:55 -0400 Subject: Eee PC apps In-Reply-To: <20080916123302.GB3735-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <48CF0232.8000009@rogers.com> <20080916123302.GB3735@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20080916102455.rssgagb71ckwssco@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> I believe these issues have been addressed with more recent releases, as well as security updates. Incidentally, reinstalling might be more drastic than needed - I found some great ways to mod the existing install at wiki.eeeuser.com. I've used a couple of them to tweak mine, and it hasn't steered me wrong yet. Quoting Neil Watson : > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 08:47:46PM -0400, James Knott wrote: >> I've recently received my Eee PC from the Royal Bank and now I'm >> looking for a couple of apps that I don't seem to see. Does >> anyone know of versions of minicom or OpenVPN for this device? > > If you are looking for a VPN client then I assume that security is a > concern. I have heard that the Eee, as it is shipped, can be rooted. I > have also heard that it has no Iptables. If that is true then you might > consider reinstalling it with one of the up and coming distributions > that support it. > > -- > Neil Watson > System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 16 15:49:04 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:49:04 -0400 Subject: Eee PC apps In-Reply-To: <20080916123302.GB3735-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <48CF0232.8000009@rogers.com> <20080916123302.GB3735@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <48CFD570.1060407@rogers.com> Neil Watson wrote: > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 08:47:46PM -0400, James Knott wrote: >> I've recently received my Eee PC from the Royal Bank and now I'm >> looking for a couple of apps that I don't seem to see. Does anyone >> know of versions of minicom or OpenVPN for this device? > > If you are looking for a VPN client then I assume that security is a > concern. I have heard that the Eee, as it is shipped, can be rooted. I > have also heard that it has no Iptables. If that is true then you might > consider reinstalling it with one of the up and coming distributions > that support it. > I'm looking for OpenVPN because that or SSH are the only ways I can reach my home network from elsewhere. I am considering other distros for it, though with only 2 GB of flash, it could be a bit tight. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 16 18:11:21 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:11:21 -0400 Subject: Eee PC apps In-Reply-To: <48CF0232.8000009-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <48CF0232.8000009@rogers.com> Message-ID: <48CFF6C9.4050601@telly.org> Actually, I have an unrelated question regarding one EeePC app... specifically, the menuing system. It's my understanding that the big-icon user-friendly menu system used on the Eee is a proprietary system that comes with the Eee's Xandros Desktop. Can anyone point me to any open source projects that try to present a similarly friendly face to the new user. I'm tracking the Ubuntu Netbook Remix but I suspect there are other systems out there... Any help is appreciated. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 17 13:52:52 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:52:52 -0400 Subject: Eee PC apps In-Reply-To: <48CFF6C9.4050601-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <48CF0232.8000009@rogers.com> <48CFF6C9.4050601@telly.org> Message-ID: <20080917135252.GH31270@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 02:11:21PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Actually, I have an unrelated question regarding one EeePC app... > specifically, the menuing system. > > It's my understanding that the big-icon user-friendly menu system used > on the Eee is a proprietary system that comes with the Eee's Xandros > Desktop. Can anyone point me to any open source projects that try to > present a similarly friendly face to the new user. I'm tracking the > Ubuntu Netbook Remix but I suspect there are other systems out there... > > Any help is appreciated. Xandros is based on Debian, so you might even be able to just get ubuntu or debian packages for the things you want and install them. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 17 17:27:01 2008 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:27:01 -0400 Subject: Apache as media distribution Message-ID: <089101c918ea$998dc9f0$cca95dd0$@com> Hello All, I am considering using apache for media file distribution. I would like the directory listing to have a preview of the file. Is there any apache module that can facilitate this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 17 19:23:49 2008 From: me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Myles Braithwaite) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:23:49 -0400 Subject: Apache as media distribution In-Reply-To: <089101c918ea$998dc9f0$cca95dd0$@com> References: <089101c918ea$998dc9f0$cca95dd0$@com> Message-ID: Nothing really built into apache you might have to make a php script to do it. Is "media file" images, videos, or movies? --- Myles Braithwaite me-qIX3qoPyADtH8hdXm2+x1laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org http://mylesbraithwaite.com/ Please consider the trees before print this email. On 17-Sep-08, at 1:27 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Hello All, > > I am considering using apache for media file distribution. I would > like the directory listing to have a preview of the file. Is there > any apache module that can facilitate this? > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 17 19:46:58 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Eee PC apps In-Reply-To: <20080917135252.GH31270-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <48CF0232.8000009@rogers.com> <48CFF6C9.4050601@telly.org> <20080917135252.GH31270@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 02:11:21PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: | > Actually, I have an unrelated question regarding one EeePC app... | > specifically, the menuing system. It might or might not be wise to add an "unrelated question" to an existing thread. I don't think that the question is 100% unrelated. | > It's my understanding that the big-icon user-friendly menu system used | > on the Eee is a proprietary system that comes with the Eee's Xandros | > Desktop. What do you mean by "bit-iron" in this context? | > Can anyone point me to any open source projects that try to | > present a similarly friendly face to the new user. I'm tracking the | > Ubuntu Netbook Remix but I suspect there are other systems out there... | > | > Any help is appreciated. | | Xandros is based on Debian, so you might even be able to just get ubuntu | or debian packages for the things you want and install them. Evan is helping to assemble software for another netbook. He wants to know about software he can use on non-ASUS hardware. He seems to be asking about open-source newbie-friendly facades (for lack of a better word) available for such projects. An interesting question. Philosophizing: The desktop metaphor has become so dominant in the last 30 years that we don't remember that it is just one metaphor and that other choices might be interesting and worthwhile. PDAs/phones/media players are an arena where other designs have appeared. Netbooks are close to normal computers but go partway towards these other devices and thus may be a pathway for new designs to reach mainstream computers. Coming back down to earth, I imagine that the ASUS EEE front-end is a very thin veneer over GNOME and thus isn't actually very interesting. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 17 20:32:12 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:32:12 -0400 Subject: Eee PC apps In-Reply-To: References: <48CF0232.8000009@rogers.com> <48CFF6C9.4050601@telly.org> <20080917135252.GH31270@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <48D1694C.3000004@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Lennart Sorensen > > | On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 02:11:21PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > | > Actually, I have an unrelated question regarding one EeePC app... > | > specifically, the menuing system. > > It might or might not be wise to add an "unrelated question" to an > existing thread. I don't think that the question is 100% unrelated. > > | > It's my understanding that the big-icon user-friendly menu system used > | > on the Eee is a proprietary system that comes with the Eee's Xandros > | > Desktop. > > What do you mean by "bit-iron" in this context? > I believe he said "big-icon". > Coming back down to earth, I imagine that the ASUS EEE front-end is a > very thin veneer over GNOME and thus isn't actually very interesting. > Actually, it's KDE and it is possible to activate a "normal" KDE desktop. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 17 22:47:14 2008 From: right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org (Amos Weatherill) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:47:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Mandrake 10.1 Security Updates? Message-ID: <226506.36262.qm@web26607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I need to know if Mandriva is still releasing security updates for Mandrake 10.1 as a new client is currently using it on 3 servers. I have already tried Google & the Mandriva Wiki but they were decidedly unhelpful. Thank you in advance for any replies. I need this info for a report I'm writing. Stay Well, Amos __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 18 03:32:52 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Eee PC apps In-Reply-To: <48D1694C.3000004-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <48CF0232.8000009@rogers.com> <48CFF6C9.4050601@telly.org> <20080917135252.GH31270@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48D1694C.3000004@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: James Knott | D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > | From: Lennart Sorensen | > | > | On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 02:11:21PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: | > | > It's my understanding that the big-icon user-friendly menu system used | > What do you mean by "bit-iron" in this context? | | I believe he said "big-icon". Damn. And I just got new glasses too. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 18 04:37:27 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:37:27 -0400 Subject: Eee PC apps In-Reply-To: References: <48CF0232.8000009@rogers.com> <48CFF6C9.4050601@telly.org> <20080917135252.GH31270@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <48D1DB07.1040608@telly.org> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | > It's my understanding that the big-icon user-friendly menu system used > | > on the Eee is a proprietary system that comes with the Eee's Xandros > | > Desktop. > > What do you mean by "bit-iron" in this context? > By "Big Icon" I mean a way to duplicate the simplicity of the EeePC, Aspire One and similar desktops which feature login screens that feature very large icons with the most-used software. Maybe this is doable using some clever configs with KDE or GNOME, I just wondered if there was any special FOSS menuing system designed for this purpose. > Evan is helping to assemble software for another netbook. Yes, anyone who was at the last TLUG meeting saw the thing in action. I'm pretty excited about the product though it hasn't yet had an official launch. Unlike Asus, Acer, Dell and the others this project is designed to bring training and support infrastructure along with it, not just a "dump and run" approach like conventional laptop makers. Even the OLPC did not have much planning in this manner, a factor that has significantly hurt its competition with the Intel Classmate-derived competition. > He wants to know about software he can use on non-ASUS hardware. He seems to be asking about open-source newbie-friendly facades (for lack of a better word)available for such projects. > Exactly. Linpus, gOS and Xandros (three of the desktop distributions that are showing often on these systems) are not completely open source. > Philosophizing: > > The desktop metaphor has become so dominant in the last 30 years that > we don't remember that it is just one metaphor and that other choices > might be interesting and worthwhile. > Perhaps, but most othetr metaphores, when they've been tried have not been popular. Anyone remember Sun's Looking Glass project? The tablet PC, which promised new ideas such as handwriting recognition, has also failed to catch on. Having said this, I'm very open to exploring new ideas. Now that Sugar is decoupled from the OLPC project we will probably approach the Sugar Foundation about offering their OS/Desktop as an option on our netbooks. I suspect that demand for it will be weak. > PDAs/phones/media players are an arena where other designs have appeared. > Most of them depend on simple "big icon" menus. Touch screens have offered some new opportunities but the most novel attempt has been the iPhone which hasn't really impressed me. > Netbooks are close to normal computers but go partway towards these other devices and thus may be a pathway for new designs to reach > mainstream computers. > One of the reason I am looking for a "big icon" interface is in an attempt to make the netbook desktop resemble the current crop of PDAs/smartphones more than the status quo of notebook systems. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 18 15:20:59 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:20:59 +0300 Subject: Sun JDK questions In-Reply-To: <7ac602420809081439s47350b34ub13eb009e39a6c48-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <7ac602420809081439s47350b34ub13eb009e39a6c48@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi pals, I am finally performing this small migration today, but I can not find sdk version 1.5 anywhere. I have repeatedly tried downloading from sun website, but they redirect it to sdk version 1.6. Really unfriendly. I really want to use an older sdk to avoid breaking other classes that were developed earlier. Would there be someone here who know where I can pull sdk 1.5 for x86_64. At pbone, there is a couple but none unfortunately for CentOS 5 / RHEL5 http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index_jdk5.jsp http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/install-linux-64.html#requirements Pardon for top posting. Regards, William >> I need some advice here. I have an JDK version 1.4 running on Sunfire >> hardware. I am planning to migrate this development environment to a >> x86_64 system. It looks like JDK version 1.4 is not supported on >> X86_64, so I will have to use JDK version 1.5. >> >> Question it, what are the possibles problem I can expect when >> attempting above considering there is some jave classes that are not >> supplied by sun on the old server? Will they work on the new setup? >> >> I am not a java developer, so the questions are a little trivial. I do >> however believe the hardware architecture difference will not be a >> problem due to java virtual machine isolating hardware. Moving classes >> from 1.4 to 1.5 is what I am not sure how it will work. Are they >> forward compatable? > > Java 1.4-compatible class files should run without change on a Java > 1.5-compatible VM. There are only two things I can think of that > might cause you problems: native libraries that are no longer > available and some kind of weird dependency on buggy behaviour in the > 1.4 VM. If the app you're moving is 100% Java (depending only on the > JRE and possibly other 100% Java libraries), you don't have to worry > about native libraries. As for dependencies on obscure bugs in 1.4, > the only way to discover those is to run the app on a different VM and > wait for it to break (or not). > > Ian > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 18 16:00:31 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:00:31 -0400 Subject: Sun JDK questions In-Reply-To: References: <7ac602420809081439s47350b34ub13eb009e39a6c48@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D27B1F.7030804@utoronto.ca> William Muriithi wrote: > Hi pals, > > I am finally performing this small migration today, but I can not find > sdk version 1.5 anywhere. I have repeatedly tried downloading from sun > website, but they redirect it to sdk version 1.6. Really unfriendly. > > I really want to use an older sdk to avoid breaking other classes that > were developed earlier. Would there be someone here who know where I > can pull sdk 1.5 for x86_64. At pbone, there is a couple but none > unfortunately for CentOS 5 / RHEL5 > > > http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index_jdk5.jsp > http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/install-linux-64.html#requirements > > Pardon for top posting. It's available via that first link..? Try http://tinyurl.com/4mcxsf which is where that link will take you after accepting their download conditions. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lanctot-yfeSBMgouQgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 18 16:32:05 2008 From: lanctot-yfeSBMgouQgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marc Lanctot) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:32:05 -0400 Subject: Lightning and gdata-provider in Ubuntu (was ": Evolution issue") In-Reply-To: <20080911182409.GA32112-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <1221140243.9126.10.camel@akane.alteeve.com> <48C92271.7010602@utoronto.ca> <48C95D66.2060203@ualberta.ca> <20080911182409.GA32112@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <48D28285.1080102@ualberta.ca> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:03:18PM -0600, Marc Lanctot wrote: > >> Does anybody know of a site that provides a "writable remote ICS" >> link/file? Lightning is nice, and I love it, but I'm using Google >> calendar and would be nice if I could add stuff to my calendar from >> within Lightning (or Sunbird) rather than having to do it from Google's >> web interface. > > You can view/update your Google calendar via Lightning. Google for > instructions. It involves obtaining the live ICS link and subscribing > to it from Lightning. Has anybody got write access working on their Google calendar through lightning? I'm using Ubuntu.. I installed the lightning-extension package using apt -- the only way to get lightning to work at all in Ubuntu -- but then I don't see an Ubuntu package for the gdata-provider extension. So I download gdata-provider-0.4.xpi from the Mozilla 2.0 download page for Linux, and add it on as usual. When I restart, I try File -> New -> Calendar -> Network.. there is no "Google Calendar" which is supposed to be there from screenshots I've seen. And, when I list the add-ons, the gdata-provider says I'm "missing additional items" despite the fact that I installed these packages: libgdata-google1.2-1, libgdata-google1.2-dev, libgdata1.2-1, libgdata1.2-dev . Anybody experience similar problems with gdata-provider + lightning in Ubuntu? -- Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. -- Albert Einstein -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 18 21:36:14 2008 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:36:14 -0400 Subject: Mandrake 10.1 Security Updates? In-Reply-To: <226506.36262.qm-7JnsqKfzgurGRxTy+Q50vsz6deESKz/lQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <226506.36262.qm@web26607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200809181736.15607.dbmacg@look.ca> See http://www.mandriva.com/archives/en/security/productlifetime.html Duncan On September 17, 2008 06:47:14 pm Amos Weatherill wrote: > I need to know if Mandriva is still releasing security updates for Mandrake > 10.1 as a new client is currently using it on 3 servers. > > I have already tried Google & the Mandriva Wiki but they were decidedly > unhelpful. > > Thank you in advance for any replies. I need this info for a report I'm > writing. > > Stay Well, > Amos > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! > Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 19 03:21:12 2008 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:21:12 -0400 Subject: Serial Ports Message-ID: <200809182321.12367.mervc@eol.ca> I have 2 applications using 2 different serial ports. So far, I haven't been able to use them at the same time. If one is working and using RTS, when I initialize the second [ also using RTS], the first one stops. using DTR/DTS is not an option. This may be quite normal, I'm not that much of a hardware guru to know. Does anyone have any opinions? I will supply more details about what I am doing if that would help. Thanks -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Debian Sid Linux Desktop KDE 3.5.7 KMail 1.9.5 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 19 14:43:43 2008 From: right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org (Amos Weatherill) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:43:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Mandrake 10.1 Security Updates? Message-ID: <374934.58948.qm@web26605.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thanks, Duncan. That was the link I needed. Respects, Amos ----- Original Message ---- From: Duncan MacGregor To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 5:36:14 PM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Mandrake 10.1 Security Updates? See http://www.mandriva.com/archives/en/security/productlifetime.html Duncan On September 17, 2008 06:47:14 pm Amos Weatherill wrote: > I need to know if Mandriva is still releasing security updates for Mandrake > 10.1 as a new client is currently using it on 3 servers. > > I have already tried Google & the Mandriva Wiki but they were decidedly > unhelpful. > > Thank you in advance for any replies. I need this info for a report I'm > writing. > > Stay Well, > Amos > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! > Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 19 18:39:27 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:39:27 -0400 Subject: Serial Ports In-Reply-To: <200809182321.12367.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200809182321.12367.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20080919183927.GI31270@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:21:12PM -0400, Merv Curley wrote: > I have 2 applications using 2 different serial ports. > > So far, I haven't been able to use them at the same time. If one is working > and using RTS, when I initialize the second [ also using RTS], the first one > stops. using DTR/DTS is not an option. > > This may be quite normal, I'm not that much of a hardware guru to know. Does > anyone have any opinions? I will supply more details about what I am doing > if that would help. It should work. Now if they are ISA devices (rather than PCI) then there could be an IRQ sharing issue. If they share an IRQ then you might not be able to have both in use at the same time, even though IRQ sharing should allow it, ISA devices often don't play nice. For PCI devices it should just work unless the serial devices are really broken. I have no issue using both ports on a digi neo dual port PCi card. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 20 10:15:26 2008 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 06:15:26 -0400 Subject: Open Street Map - September 20th... Message-ID: On 9/7/08, Colin McGregor wrote: > In the mean time, even if it is just 2-3 people, I would like to see > something happen, so if nobody else steps forward to push things along > here is what I would like to see happen: > > - Get together at Linuxcaffe on the 20th @ 9 AM (with back-up location > in case of weirdness, the Starbucks inside Indigo @ Yonge & Eglinton). > - Have a coffee, discuss gameplans, equipment, etc. > - Head out and map. > - Return and meet at Linuxcaffe on the 20th @ 5 PM (with back-up > location in case of weirdness, the Starbucks inside Indigo @ Yonge & > Eglinton). > - Coffee, sum up and enter data until done or shop closing So, is anyone else interested? I would be happy enough to be at Linuxcaffe at 9 AM, but I don't want to be the only Open Street Map person there... I did just get back from a trip to eastern Ontario, and I did collect some street tracks and am looking forward to getting those uploaded... > Now, my answers to the questions I sent out earlier are: > > - How can you get around the city (foot? car? bicycle?). > > Foot and/or TTC (I have a Metropass) > > - Do you have a laptop computer, if so, what sort? (there is Open > Street Map software for Windows, Mac and Linux, but not all the same > programs are available for all platforms). > > I have a Debian running laptop. > > - Do you have a GPS receiver, if so, what sort (some GPSs must be > connected to laptop to work, limiting their value for tracing hiking > paths)? > > Yes, but. The GPS I have requires being connected to a running PC. > In other words this is great for when I have access to a car/truck, > but this is not normal... > > - What part(s) of the city would you like to focus on? > > Depends. If I can get access to a car/truck I would love to map the > currently unmapped streets in Etobicoke. Otherwise I would love to go > after streets that while mapped do not have names near my home (near > Yonge & Eglinton)... > > Over the last two weeks I have printed out areas near my place where > the streets were mapped but not named, and noting street names off > sign posts. Saturday afternoon that meant walking between Mount > Pleasant and Bayview / Blythwood Road and Lawrence Ave. E.. Got almost > all the streets done, but I am new enough at this that I am not sure > how to fix some map errors I saw on the ground. The current Open > Street Map shows you can drive drive down Dawlish Ave. from Mount > Pleasant to Bayview, truth is, unless you drive a tank, you can't > (there is small ravine part way down the street that appears to have > never been bridged... barriers to cars are on either side of the > ravine... In other words I don't yet know how to break a street that > is listed on the map into two parts...). I also saw and added a tiny > street, Lauren Crt. based on what I saw plus the Yahoo photos, but > that could no doubt be improved... > > Thoughts / ideas? > > > Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 20 10:36:35 2008 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 06:36:35 -0400 Subject: JOSM Question Message-ID: Very late last evening I got back from a visit to see family in eastern Ontario. Basicly a very good trip, and yes I did take my $20 GPS receiver on several drives in / around small town Ontario... So, now I have a bunch of .gpx files that look fantastic when plotted in the JOSM program. But at the moment I am at a slight loss on using some JOSM features and have the following questions: - How do I successfully delete parts of a track? Most of the plots started and/or stopped in my mother's driveway, and I would like to drop that driveway from the data... - How do I tag everything as being roadways? Since everything was done from car, all the tracks are roadways. While I would be happy to tag what sort of roads things are later (i.e.: residential, commercial, secondary highway, etc...), for now I just want to tag these as roads, and get them uploaded... - Once the above is done any thoughts on uploading? Thanks. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 20 11:38:54 2008 From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 07:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: JOSM Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50833.68.161.42.78.1221910734.squirrel@webmail.weait.com> Dear Colin, Good to see that you are enjoying OpenStreetMap. Here are some quick tips for the josm editor. > Very late last evening I got back from a visit to see family in > eastern Ontario. Basicly a very good trip, and yes I did take my $20 > GPS receiver on several drives in / around small town Ontario... Cool. Connected to a laptop / portable? > So, now I have a bunch of .gpx files that look fantastic when plotted > in the JOSM program. But at the moment I am at a slight loss on using > some JOSM features and have the following questions: > - How do I successfully delete parts of a track? Most of the plots > started and/or stopped in my mother's driveway, and I would like to > drop that driveway from the data... gpsbabel will split gpx files into smaller files where there is a gap from shutting the device off. Removing an arbitrary beginning/end of a file can be done manually (insert vi / emacs argument). A gpx clipper plugin for josm would be handy but I'm not aware of one. > - How do I tag everything as being roadways? Since everything was done > from car, all the tracks are roadways. While I would be happy to tag > what sort of roads things are later (i.e.: residential, commercial, > secondary highway, etc...), for now I just want to tag these as roads, > and get them uploaded... You've loader your GPX file. Download the existing data for the area. (Ctrl-Shift-D) Select the Add nodes and ways tool (a) Click to add nodes and ways, the current way stay selected / highlighted. Click "add" in the properties/memberships box to add a tag (Alt-a) key=highway; value=road, for a generic road key=highway; value=motorway, divided limited access highways (400-s, DVP, etc) key=highway; value=primary, King's Highways Ontario hwy 2-148 key=highway; value=secondary, urban arterial roads, major county roads key=highway; value=tertiary, connecting county roads, connecting neighbourhood roads, key=highway; value=residential, residential roads key=highway; value=unclassified, other minor roads that are not residential. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Canadian_tagging_guidelines > - Once the above is done any thoughts on uploading? yes! Upload your edits. Upload button or (ctrl-shift-u) Best regards, Richard -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 20 13:35:02 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:35:02 -0400 Subject: palm syncing woes in debian Message-ID: <20080920133502.GA13103@watson-wilson.ca> Hello Folks, The dance I've had to perform with jpilot and my Z22 that involves the correct order and timing of activating sync on both the Palm and jpilot is getting frustrating. It always takes me multiple tries to successfully sync. I did some research and found some information that suggest that using the userspace libusb instead of the visor kernel module would allow a more reliable sync. I attempted this but now I cannot sync at all. For example, I issue the command pilot-xfer -l -p usb: Listening for incoming connection on usb:... I press the sync button on the Palm but nothing happens. Is there a good howto somewhere that describes how to make syncing more reliable? Reference: http://www.newt.com/debian/treo650.html -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 20 15:20:05 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:20:05 -0400 Subject: IDE female->male or extension cables In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef0809141021w2ec6c2cai5e75faca5e63d4be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D514A5.8020905@telly.org> Colin McGregor wrote: >> The Home Hardware west of Spadina and College (aka Honson Computer, >> aka Supremetronics), or Creatron east of there would sell you the >> stuff to make one. Creatron might even assemble it -- they have that >> look. >> > > Yes, or if you're more a suburban type person, have a look at Sayal, > with several locations in the GTA (the one I tend to use is on > Victoria Park, a short distance south of Steeles). > +1 for Sayal. Their location on Matheson Blvd near Dixie in Mississauga is even larger. And if they don't have what you want, both Sayal locations are within a block or two of Active Component stores (http://www.active123.com/b2c/redirect.cfm?pn=2). Between the two stores they'll have either the cable you want or the parts and tools to make it, - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 20 16:06:19 2008 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:06:19 -0400 Subject: Serial Ports In-Reply-To: <20080919183927.GI31270-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200809182321.12367.mervc@eol.ca> <20080919183927.GI31270@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200809201206.19691.mervc@eol.ca> On Friday 19 September 2008 14:39, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:21:12PM -0400, Merv Curley wrote: > > I have 2 applications using 2 different serial ports. > > > > So far, I haven't been able to use them at the same time. If one is > > working and using RTS, when I initialize the second [ also using RTS], > > the first one stops. using DTR/DTS is not an option. > > > > This may be quite normal, I'm not that much of a hardware guru to know. > > Does anyone have any opinions? I will supply more details about what I > > am doing if that would help. > > It should work. Now if they are ISA devices (rather than PCI) then > there could be an IRQ sharing issue. If they share an IRQ then you > might not be able to have both in use at the same time, even though IRQ > sharing should allow it, ISA devices often don't play nice. > > For PCI devices it should just work unless the serial devices are really > broken. I have no issue using both ports on a digi neo dual port PCi > card. One device is using ttyS0, the motherboard serial port. The device is an amateur radio transceiver which allows computer control of some functions. All I want really is the freq. reading for transmitting and receiving and perhaps the ability to change bands. The transceiver uses RTS/CTS to control data flow. Works just fine when initialized. I have added a PCI card with 2 serial ports. One port is connected to an X10 home automation application. I am pretty sure RTS is not required to communicate with the X10, Model CM11A Interface. The other port is connected to a hardware digital modem. The control program program needs to tell the modem to turn on the transmitter and to send data from the soundcard to the transmitter. It does this using RTS/CTS. As soon as I initialize this one, Serial port 0 is killed. The serial card uses 16C550 UARTs and is packaged and sold by Star Tech, Model PCI2S550. Recognized and setup during booting. I just remembered I do have a USB to Serial adaptor. I should check and see if /dev/usbttyS0 [?] works I guess. Dumb me, forgot about that. Thanks for the info Lennart, that your card is ok. Perhaps I should have spent more than $60 for mine. Regards -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Debian Sid Linux Desktop KDE 3.5.7 KMail 1.9.5 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 20 16:47:55 2008 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:47:55 -0400 Subject: Serial Ports In-Reply-To: <200809182321.12367.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200809182321.12367.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <200809201247.55844.mervc@eol.ca> On Thursday 18 September 2008 23:21, Merv Curley wrote: Ok I have checked the usb to serial adaptor and it is recognised as /dev/ttyUSB0. So I un-initialized the modem, and got my computer to transceiver control back. Then I initialized the modem and USB serial port, immediately I lost control of the transceiver. So it isn't my serial card. Permissions? Some other Linux feature ??? Lennart, are you using RTS/CTS on both your devices? Now that I have a free Serial port, I am going to connect my old Sportster modem and see if it works. Now to find that old manual and see how to configure an old fashioned modem, unused for 6 or so years. I used to use 4 serial port devices but this digital modem [ For the other Ham here; a Rigblaster Plus ] is the new piece of equipment. No other Linux hams on two lists are using the exact combo's of equipment that I have. Windows users with this gear combo are reporting no problems with Serial ports. I seem to attract problems, sigh. -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Debian Sid Linux Desktop KDE 3.5.7 KMail 1.9.5 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 20 23:52:08 2008 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:52:08 -0400 Subject: JOSM Question In-Reply-To: <50833.68.161.42.78.1221910734.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2A1MdSvfkuFwC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <50833.68.161.42.78.1221910734.squirrel@webmail.weait.com> Message-ID: On 9/20/08, richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Dear Colin, > > Good to see that you are enjoying OpenStreetMap. Here are some quick tips > for the josm editor. > >> Very late last evening I got back from a visit to see family in >> eastern Ontario. Basicly a very good trip, and yes I did take my $20 >> GPS receiver on several drives in / around small town Ontario... > > Cool. Connected to a laptop / portable? Connected to a P4 2.4 GHz laptop that rode on the front passenger seat... So, now Perth, Ontario has a lot more data and Smiths Falls, Ontario has a bit more data. Ironic bit is that to look at the map you might think Perth is bigger than Smiths Falls, truth is Smiths Falls is quite a bit larger than Perth. From my point of view, well, I have family in Perth, and the only thing that was of interest to me on this trip in Smiths Falls was the VIA Rail station... >> So, now I have a bunch of .gpx files that look fantastic when plotted >> in the JOSM program. But at the moment I am at a slight loss on using >> some JOSM features and have the following questions: > >> - How do I successfully delete parts of a track? Most of the plots >> started and/or stopped in my mother's driveway, and I would like to >> drop that driveway from the data... > > gpsbabel will split gpx files into smaller files where there is a gap from > shutting the device off. Removing an arbitrary beginning/end of a file > can be done manually (insert vi / emacs argument). > > A gpx clipper plugin for josm would be handy but I'm not aware of one. > >> - How do I tag everything as being roadways? Since everything was done >> from car, all the tracks are roadways. While I would be happy to tag >> what sort of roads things are later (i.e.: residential, commercial, >> secondary highway, etc...), for now I just want to tag these as roads, >> and get them uploaded... > > You've loader your GPX file. > Download the existing data for the area. (Ctrl-Shift-D) > Select the Add nodes and ways tool (a) > Click to add nodes and ways, the current way stay selected / highlighted. > Click "add" in the properties/memberships box to add a tag (Alt-a) > key=highway; value=road, for a generic road > key=highway; value=motorway, divided limited access highways (400-s, DVP, > etc) > key=highway; value=primary, King's Highways Ontario hwy 2-148 > key=highway; value=secondary, urban arterial roads, major county roads > key=highway; value=tertiary, connecting county roads, connecting > neighbourhood roads, > key=highway; value=residential, residential roads > key=highway; value=unclassified, other minor roads that are not residential. > > See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Canadian_tagging_guidelines > > >> - Once the above is done any thoughts on uploading? > > yes! Upload your edits. Upload button or (ctrl-shift-u) > > Best regards, > Richard Thanks.... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 21 02:09:37 2008 From: richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (richard-gNTHUr35LhcAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Open Street Map - September 20th... In-Reply-To: <966114.38014.qm-AdeBTTR6F9evuULXzWHTWIglqE1Y4D90QQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <966114.38014.qm@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50287.68.161.42.78.1221962977.squirrel@webmail.weait.com> > > Hi guys, why so short notice? > > Sergy Colin first posted about this to the TLUG list about a month ago, I think. Did you miss that thread? Perhaps you can help with the promotion of the next mapping party? Best regards, Richard -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 21 16:33:49 2008 From: hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Herb Richter) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:33:49 -0400 Subject: Sept 23 NewTLUG meeting: Search Engine Optimization (reminder) Message-ID: <48D6776D.80201@buynet.com> This month's NewTLUG meeting will be held at Seneca College on the YorkU campus Room S1209 - Lower Kaleidoscope Room Stephen E. Quinlan building Date: Tues Sept 23 Time: 7 - 10pm Presenter: Glenn Cooke will re-present his very well received talk given last month at The Kitchener Waterloo Linux User Group. Topic: Search Engine Optimization & Search Engine Marketing A slide show and talk about white hat Search Engine Optimization and Search Engine Marketing - how to bring more traffic to your site via online marketing through the search engines. Presenting on two areas: 1) Search Engine Marketing. 2) Search Engine Optimization. - history of the search engine rankings. - on page optimization. - off page optimization. - step by step guidelines on how to make your website an authority. More detail: http://www.kwlug.org/node/591 Location: Room S1209 Stephen E. Quinlan building (SEQ) - Seneca at York Building number 40 on the map: http://www.yorku.ca/web/futurestudents/map/KeeleMasterMap.pdf The Seneca at York Campus, which is physically located in the south east part of York University, at Keele/Steeles. Directions: For detailed directions and info on public transit, please see: http://cs.senecac.on.ca/~praveen.mitera/seneca-directions.html Parking: Paid parking is available on campus (about: $8). Building #84 on the map above is a close-by parking garage. - note #87 the parking lot is no longer for visitors so PLEASE use the parking garage (#84) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Herb Richter Toronto, Ontario http://PartsAndService.com http://Stand-Up-Bridletowne.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 22 11:19:06 2008 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:19:06 -0400 Subject: Eee PC apps In-Reply-To: <48D1694C.3000004-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <48CF0232.8000009@rogers.com> <48D1694C.3000004@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200809220719.06896.fraser@wehave.net> On Wednesday 17 September 2008 16:32:12 James Knott wrote: > > Coming back down to earth, I imagine that the ASUS EEE front-end is a > > very thin veneer over GNOME and thus isn't actually very interesting. > > Actually, it's KDE and it is possible to activate a "normal" KDE desktop. eee uses icewm. -- Fraser Campbell Georgetown, Ontario, Canada -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 22 15:06:20 2008 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:06:20 -0400 Subject: [OT]: Win XP Recovery Tools Message-ID: <99a6c38f0809220806i4045fa1ci43f76a9c922f0a09@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, A few weeks ago a family member passed away. I've been asked to recover the machine (determine the user id's password, create a new account, or as a last result re-install if necessary). I've heard of backdoors and tools that exploit them to regain control of the machine. If anyone can provide pointers, please email me off-list. TIA. PS - I'll be providing a live Linux DVD when I head over to fix the machine but it's unlikely to see much use. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ http://www.psema4.com/blog/ http://www.google.com/reader/shared/14892828400785741937 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 22 15:33:47 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:33:47 -0400 Subject: [OT]: Win XP Recovery Tools In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0809220806i4045fa1ci43f76a9c922f0a09-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0809220806i4045fa1ci43f76a9c922f0a09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080922153347.GA29047@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:06:20AM -0400, Scott Elcomb wrote: >A few weeks ago a family member passed away. I've been asked to >recover the machine (determine the user id's password, create a new >account, or as a last result re-install if necessary). I've heard of >backdoors and tools that exploit them to regain control of the >machine. If anyone can provide pointers, please email me off-list. >TIA. > >PS - I'll be providing a live Linux DVD when I head over to fix the >machine but it's unlikely to see much use. There are a number of offline password recovery tools - most of which are Linux live CDs. I recently did this, so I have an answer at my fingertips. Start here: http://home.eunet.no/pnordahl/ntpasswd/ Burn a bootable CD and unlock the password. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 22 16:24:55 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:24:55 -0400 Subject: Eee PC apps In-Reply-To: <200809220719.06896.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <48CF0232.8000009@rogers.com> <48D1694C.3000004@rogers.com> <200809220719.06896.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <48D7C6D7.4010200@rogers.com> Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Wednesday 17 September 2008 16:32:12 James Knott wrote: > >>> Coming back down to earth, I imagine that the ASUS EEE front-end is a >>> very thin veneer over GNOME and thus isn't actually very interesting. >> Actually, it's KDE and it is possible to activate a "normal" KDE desktop. > > eee uses icewm. > Sure looks like KDE to me. It includes KWrite. The help has "About KDE" listed. The control center is just like the one in KDE etc. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 22 17:47:06 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:47:06 -0400 Subject: Serial Ports In-Reply-To: <200809201206.19691.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200809182321.12367.mervc@eol.ca> <20080919183927.GI31270@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200809201206.19691.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20080922174706.GJ31270@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:06:19PM -0400, Merv Curley wrote: > One device is using ttyS0, the motherboard serial port. The device is an > amateur radio transceiver which allows computer control of some functions. > All I want really is the freq. reading for transmitting and receiving and > perhaps the ability to change bands. The transceiver uses RTS/CTS to control > data flow. Works just fine when initialized. > > I have added a PCI card with 2 serial ports. One port is connected to an X10 > home automation application. I am pretty sure RTS is not required to > communicate with the X10, Model CM11A Interface. > > The other port is connected to a hardware digital modem. The control program > program needs to tell the modem to turn on the transmitter and to send data > from the soundcard to the transmitter. It does this using RTS/CTS. As soon > as I initialize this one, Serial port 0 is killed. > > The serial card uses 16C550 UARTs and is packaged and sold by Star Tech, Model > PCI2S550. Recognized and setup during booting. > > I just remembered I do have a USB to Serial adaptor. I should check and see > if /dev/usbttyS0 [?] works I guess. Dumb me, forgot about that. > > Thanks for the info Lennart, that your card is ok. Perhaps I should have > spent more than $60 for mine. The digi card isn't cheap, but works very well (supports higher than 115200bps, 64byte fifo, 32bit fifo transfers (not 8bit), etc). The jsm driver is quite well maintained in the kernel. They show up as /dev/ttyn#, rather than ttyS#. The n stands for 'neo' which is what digi calls their cards. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 22 17:48:36 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:48:36 -0400 Subject: Serial Ports In-Reply-To: <200809201247.55844.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200809182321.12367.mervc@eol.ca> <200809201247.55844.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20080922174836.GK31270@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:47:55PM -0400, Merv Curley wrote: > On Thursday 18 September 2008 23:21, Merv Curley wrote: > > Ok I have checked the usb to serial adaptor and it is recognised > as /dev/ttyUSB0. > > So I un-initialized the modem, and got my computer to transceiver control > back. > > Then I initialized the modem and USB serial port, immediately I lost control > of the transceiver. So it isn't my serial card. Permissions? Some other > Linux feature ??? Sounds weird. Never seen anything like that. The USB device and 8250 device should have nothing to do with each other. > Lennart, are you using RTS/CTS on both your devices? I do yes. > Now that I have a free Serial port, I am going to connect my old Sportster > modem and see if it works. Now to find that old manual and see how to > configure an old fashioned modem, unused for 6 or so years. > > I used to use 4 serial port devices but this digital modem [ For the other Ham > here; a Rigblaster Plus ] is the new piece of equipment. No other Linux hams > on two lists are using the exact combo's of equipment that I have. Windows > users with this gear combo are reporting no problems with Serial ports. > > I seem to attract problems, sigh. Which kernel are you running? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 22 19:01:28 2008 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:01:28 -0400 Subject: Serial Ports In-Reply-To: <20080922174836.GK31270-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200809182321.12367.mervc@eol.ca> <200809201247.55844.mervc@eol.ca> <20080922174836.GK31270@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200809221501.28449.mervc@eol.ca> On Monday 22 September 2008 13:48, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Then I initialized the modem and USB serial port, immediately I lost > > control of the transceiver. So it isn't my serial card. Permissions? > > Some other Linux feature ??? > > Sounds weird. Never seen anything like that. The USB device and 8250 > device should have nothing to do with each other. > Well it has happened to me again, now all is ok. Sunday AM after all the electronics had been off overnight, I booted up and I had control over the transceiver and the digital modem, using the USB serial port and ttyS0. Something needed a longer cooling off period between changes in config it seems. Thanks for your interest and helpful insights. Regards -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Debian Sid Linux Desktop KDE 3.5.7 KMail 1.9.5 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 22 19:53:35 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:53:35 -0400 Subject: Eee PC apps In-Reply-To: <48D7C6D7.4010200-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <48CF0232.8000009@rogers.com> <48D1694C.3000004@rogers.com> <200809220719.06896.fraser@wehave.net> <48D7C6D7.4010200@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:24 PM, James Knott wrote: > Fraser Campbell wrote: >> >> On Wednesday 17 September 2008 16:32:12 James Knott wrote: >> >>>> Coming back down to earth, I imagine that the ASUS EEE front-end is a >>>> very thin veneer over GNOME and thus isn't actually very interesting. >>> >>> Actually, it's KDE and it is possible to activate a "normal" KDE desktop. >> >> eee uses icewm. >> > > Sure looks like KDE to me. It includes KWrite. The help has "About KDE" > listed. The control center is just like the one in KDE etc. There's no contradiction there; KDE is not a window manager. See the KDE FAQ... http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase-runtime/faq/introduction.html#id2524976 -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 22 19:58:43 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:58:43 -0400 Subject: openVpN Linux (server) Window (client) Message-ID: Hi there, I am trying to set up a routed VPN using openVPN. This has worked will a Linux to Linux setup. However, I am having problems making a Window client communicate to the server. This is how the error manifest itself. On the Window box, the GUI comes up turn green and if you take the mouse over it, it will show connected and the IP it was issued. However, I can not ping that IP. Neither can I ping the VPN server IP. I am wondering, can a Window box work with a routed based VPN or I have to bridge it. Would it be possible to have a briged configuration on the Window box and routed configuration on the server box and still have a VPN tunnel? Advice, Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 22 20:34:09 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:34:09 -0400 Subject: openVpN Linux (server) Window (client) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D80141.9040209@rogers.com> William Muriithi wrote: > Hi there, > > I am trying to set up a routed VPN using openVPN. This has worked will > a Linux to Linux setup. However, I am having problems making a Window > client communicate to the server. > > This is how the error manifest itself. On the Window box, the GUI > comes up turn green and if you take the mouse over it, it will show > connected and the IP it was issued. However, I can not ping that IP. > Neither can I ping the VPN server IP. > > I am wondering, can a Window box work with a routed based VPN or I > have to bridge it. Would it be possible to have a briged configuration > on the Window box and routed configuration on the server box and still > have a VPN tunnel? > > I have OpenVPN installed on my work computer and it works well in the routed configuration. I'm not at work at the moment, so I can't check, but IIRC, you have to configure the route. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 22 21:16:13 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:16:13 -0400 Subject: openVpN Linux (server) Window (client) In-Reply-To: <48D80141.9040209-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <48D80141.9040209@rogers.com> Message-ID: Hi, Sorry, I think the email above had some error. Looking closely, it did not also work on Linux client. Both Windows and Linux client are at par as far as VPN is concerned. What is actually happening is I can reach the Virtual IP (10.80.80.1) and physical IP (10.1.1.99) of the vpn server. I am however unable to reach any other client in the LAN. That imply a routing problem. Below is my server routes #/sbin/ip route 10.80.80.2 dev tun0 proto kernel scope link src 10.80.80.1 10.80.80.0/24 via 10.80.80.2 dev tun0 10.1.1.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 10.1.1.99 169.254.0.0/16 dev eth0 scope link default via 10.1.1.1 dev eth0 The 10.80.80.xx network is what is issued to the VPN clients. The 10.1.1.x network is what is used in the LAN. The VPN server is not in line, that is the default gateway and VPN server are different. On the default gateway (A window box), I applied this route. route ADD 10.80.80.0 MASK 255.255.255.0 10.1.1.99 -p >From this Window box, I can ping 10.80.80.1 and can not reach connected clients. What could I be missing here? Regards, William 2008/9/22 James Knott : > William Muriithi wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> I am trying to set up a routed VPN using openVPN. This has worked will >> a Linux to Linux setup. However, I am having problems making a Window >> client communicate to the server. >> >> This is how the error manifest itself. On the Window box, the GUI >> comes up turn green and if you take the mouse over it, it will show >> connected and the IP it was issued. However, I can not ping that IP. >> Neither can I ping the VPN server IP. >> >> I am wondering, can a Window box work with a routed based VPN or I >> have to bridge it. Would it be possible to have a briged configuration >> on the Window box and routed configuration on the server box and still >> have a VPN tunnel? >> >> > > I have OpenVPN installed on my work computer and it works well in the > routed configuration. I'm not at work at the moment, so I can't check, > but IIRC, you have to configure the route. > > -- > Use OpenOffice.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 23 00:49:22 2008 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:49:22 -0400 Subject: [OT]: Win XP Recovery Tools In-Reply-To: <20080922153347.GA29047-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0809220806i4045fa1ci43f76a9c922f0a09@mail.gmail.com> <20080922153347.GA29047@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0809221749l62fc8cdcwe31e8b2dddccee81@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:33 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > There are a number of offline password recovery tools - most of which > are Linux live CDs. I recently did this, so I have an answer at my > fingertips. Start here: > > http://home.eunet.no/pnordahl/ntpasswd/ Thanks William and to all those who responded offlist as well. I was able to regain access to the machine. Your help and support is most appreciated! -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ http://www.psema4.com/blog/ http://www.google.com/reader/shared/14892828400785741937 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 23 12:51:12 2008 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:51:12 -0400 Subject: solar project tracking software? Message-ID: <200809230851.13328.icanprogram@295.ca> I volunteer some of my time for the Halton Residential Solar Project. This project aims to facilitate homeowner purchase and installation of solar hot water and solar PV systems in the Halton area. There have been similar initiatives in the Toronto, Guelph and Waterloo areas. I know that the Toronto group is in the process of building a software application to track the progress of a solar installation from start to finish. The idea is that the homeowner, vendor and project facilitators can view (and some cases input) content online via a web browser. Alas I believe the TO initiative has selected a Gatesware based solution. I was wondering if anyone knew of an open source project which might have software close to this requirement. If not would anyone be willing to be part of a team to use the LAMP stack to create such a piece of software. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 23 12:41:24 2008 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:41:24 -0400 Subject: solar project tracking software? In-Reply-To: <200809230851.13328.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <200809230851.13328.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <491f66a50809230541q79bc712p387ffb4efc1440dc@mail.gmail.com> Bob I'm certainly interested. Dave On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:51 AM, bob 295 wrote: > I volunteer some of my time for the Halton Residential Solar Project. > This > project aims to facilitate homeowner purchase and installation of solar hot > water and solar PV systems in the Halton area. > > There have been similar initiatives in the Toronto, Guelph and Waterloo > areas. > > I know that the Toronto group is in the process of building a software > application to track the progress of a solar installation from start to > finish. The idea is that the homeowner, vendor and project facilitators > can view (and some cases input) content online via a web browser. Alas I > believe the TO initiative has selected a Gatesware based solution. > > I was wondering if anyone knew of an open source project which might have > software close to this requirement. If not would anyone be willing to > be > part of a team to use the LAMP stack to create such a piece of software. > > bob > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 23 15:15:50 2008 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:15:50 -0400 Subject: solar project tracking software? In-Reply-To: <200809230851.13328.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <200809230851.13328.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <49e826e90809230815j5932c0bdp930c202d39458732@mail.gmail.com> I would be interested. I have worked on LAMP a few years ago. Asaf On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:51 AM, bob 295 wrote: > I volunteer some of my time for the Halton Residential Solar Project. > This > project aims to facilitate homeowner purchase and installation of solar hot > water and solar PV systems in the Halton area. > > There have been similar initiatives in the Toronto, Guelph and Waterloo > areas. > > I know that the Toronto group is in the process of building a software > application to track the progress of a solar installation from start to > finish. The idea is that the homeowner, vendor and project facilitators > can view (and some cases input) content online via a web browser. Alas I > believe the TO initiative has selected a Gatesware based solution. > > I was wondering if anyone knew of an open source project which might have > software close to this requirement. If not would anyone be willing to > be > part of a team to use the LAMP stack to create such a piece of software. > > bob > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- "I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." - Richard P. Feynman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 23 15:22:08 2008 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:22:08 -0400 Subject: solar project tracking software? In-Reply-To: <200809230851.13328.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <200809230851.13328.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <200809231122.10340.icanprogram@295.ca> Anyone have experience with http://www.dotproject.net/ bob On September 23, 2008 08:51 am, bob 295 wrote: > I volunteer some of my time for the Halton Residential Solar Project. > This project aims to facilitate homeowner purchase and installation of > solar hot water and solar PV systems in the Halton area. > > There have been similar initiatives in the Toronto, Guelph and Waterloo > areas. > > I know that the Toronto group is in the process of building a software > application to track the progress of a solar installation from start to > finish. The idea is that the homeowner, vendor and project facilitators > can view (and some cases input) content online via a web browser. Alas I > believe the TO initiative has selected a Gatesware based solution. > > I was wondering if anyone knew of an open source project which might have > software close to this requirement. If not would anyone be willing to > be part of a team to use the LAMP stack to create such a piece of software. > > bob > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 23 16:22:57 2008 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:22:57 -0400 Subject: solar project tracking software? In-Reply-To: <200809231122.10340.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <200809230851.13328.icanprogram@295.ca> <200809231122.10340.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <491f66a50809230922y11eb0f91hd9e9ce09cdd6c5c3@mail.gmail.com> Some I've installed it once. DAve On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:22 AM, bob 295 wrote: > Anyone have experience with > > http://www.dotproject.net/ > > bob > > > On September 23, 2008 08:51 am, bob 295 wrote: > > I volunteer some of my time for the Halton Residential Solar Project. > > This project aims to facilitate homeowner purchase and installation of > > solar hot water and solar PV systems in the Halton area. > > > > There have been similar initiatives in the Toronto, Guelph and Waterloo > > areas. > > > > I know that the Toronto group is in the process of building a software > > application to track the progress of a solar installation from start to > > finish. The idea is that the homeowner, vendor and project > facilitators > > can view (and some cases input) content online via a web browser. Alas > I > > believe the TO initiative has selected a Gatesware based solution. > > > > I was wondering if anyone knew of an open source project which might have > > software close to this requirement. If not would anyone be willing > to > > be part of a team to use the LAMP stack to create such a piece of > software. > > > > bob > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 23 17:24:03 2008 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:24:03 -0400 Subject: solar project tracking software? In-Reply-To: <200809230851.13328.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <200809230851.13328.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <48D92633.4050802@utoronto.ca> You find this useful: http://open-source-project-management-tools.blogspot.com/ Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 23 19:53:16 2008 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:53:16 -0400 Subject: TASK - September 24th Message-ID: Just to note the Toronto Area Security Klatch folks are having their monthly meeting September 24th, details below. Note that these folks are platform agnostic, so material on Windows is as welcome as Linux or Solaris or .... . The meetings are free to attend and almost all the people attending (a normal meeting being 75+ people) will be in business casual dress. Also note that the B in the room number means basement (a common error for first time visitors to these meetings is to go to the 2nd floor...). Colin McGregor -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TASK Wed September 24th Event Reminder Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:15 AM From: "TASK Steering Committee" Add sender to Contacts Once again, I must apologize for the late notice updating you with this month's TASK event detail. Things are crazy this month leading up to SecTor 2008! The good news is that the content and presenters this year are completely stunning. We've pulled the best speakers from literally all over the world, to present the very latest security research. We've also got some fantastic Canadian talent providing new research and Canadian perspective. If you haven't bought your ticket, don't hestitate any longer! Check out the schedule and site at http://www.sector.ca/ and save 10% using TASK08 as the discount code. Now for TASK this month. We have Jerry Gaertner from Soberman LLP coming to speak on Technology Crime - Computer Fraud. Jerry has extensive experience in the areas of fraud, money laundering and computer crimes. So it will definitely be a educational and fun talk. Also up this month, we have our very own Robert Beggs speaking on virtualization security. Details below. Sincerely, Brian Bourne TASK Steering Committee EVENT DETAILS: -------------------------------------- When: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 6pm-9pm Location: Pharmacy Building, Room B250, 144 College St. Visit the website for more details and directions. Jerry's Abstract: We hear about these all the time - but mostly, the media sensationalize or simply get things wrong. What is the truth about technology crime and computer fraud? This session will look at real instances, real legislation, real perpetrators in an attempt to shed some light on this fascinating, but poorly understood area. What was done? How were they detected? What legal action was taken? What technology tricks were used? Robert's Abstract: Virtualization, which allows users to run multiple operating systems on a single physical box, can reduce costs and improve network manageability. From a security perspective, this simplified management can enhance system security, and virtualized systems are supporting security in roles such as secure software development, malware analysis, and disaster recovery But what are the risks of putting virtual systems into your production network? This seminar will review the perceived, and real, risks that you should consider before deploying a virtual environment. Technical attacks, such as attacks against the hypervisor layer, and organizational and operational issues will be critically examined. We'll conclude with a review of the practical steps that an organization can take to mitigate the security challenges of virtualization ----------------------------------------------- This month sponsored by Digital Defence. Protecting your business from security and privacy breaches. Visit Digital Defence online at http://digitaldefence.ca/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 24 13:18:09 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:18:09 -0400 Subject: youtube no sound Message-ID: <48DA3E11.8000108@chrisaitken.net> I can't hear youtube on either of my computers. One computer is running XP and the other is running ubuntu 8.04. From both computers I can play music (for example from Nuendo in XP and from Totem in linux). So, I'm thinking the problem is with youtube or my ISP blocking the sound or whatever. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 24 13:26:34 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:26:34 -0400 Subject: youtube no sound In-Reply-To: <48DA3E11.8000108-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <48DA3E11.8000108@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <48DA400A.7040007@chrisaitken.net> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I can't hear youtube on either of my computers. One computer is > running XP and the other is running ubuntu 8.04. From both computers I > can play music (for example from Nuendo in XP and from Totem in linux). > > So, I'm thinking the problem is with youtube or my ISP blocking the > sound or whatever. I just called my ISP. They told me that they are not doing anything new that would interfere with sound from youtube. They said I will have to contact youtube directly (as if that would be possible). So, what's the 411? Is youtube limiting streaming (if that's what it's called) to get people on paid subscription in anticiptaion of the new Canadian copyright laws or what? Youtube has become a critical tool in giving guitar lessons. Students come in asking to play songs I've never heard. So, I go to youtube, type in "Wonderwall Oasis", listen to the song, download the tab, and we're off. I would probably pay for a youtube subscription if I had to. > > Chris > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki /Mailing_lists > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 24 14:40:17 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:40:17 -0400 Subject: youtube no sound In-Reply-To: <48DA400A.7040007-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <48DA3E11.8000108@chrisaitken.net> <48DA400A.7040007@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <48DA5151.1020202@rogers.com> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > Mr Chris Aitken wrote: >> I can't hear youtube on either of my computers. One computer is >> running XP and the other is running ubuntu 8.04. From both computers I >> can play music (for example from Nuendo in XP and from Totem in linux). >> >> So, I'm thinking the problem is with youtube or my ISP blocking the >> sound or whatever. > > I just called my ISP. They told me that they are not doing anything new > that would interfere with sound from youtube. They said I will have to > contact youtube directly (as if that would be possible). So, what's the > 411? Is youtube limiting streaming (if that's what it's called) to get > people on paid subscription in anticiptaion of the new Canadian > copyright laws or what? Youtube has become a critical tool in giving > guitar lessons. Students come in asking to play songs I've never heard. > So, I go to youtube, type in "Wonderwall Oasis", listen to the song, > download the tab, and we're off. I would probably pay for a youtube > subscription if I had to. I had sound from Youtube as recently as yesterday on OpenSUSE (Rogers) and this morning on XP (Sympatico). Try this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI0AEJkotzM Can you move either computer to another location or ISP? What happens if you try other sites that provide sound? -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 24 15:26:56 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:26:56 -0400 Subject: youtube no sound In-Reply-To: <48DA400A.7040007-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <48DA3E11.8000108@chrisaitken.net> <48DA400A.7040007@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080924152656.GA22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 09:26:34AM -0400, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > I just called my ISP. They told me that they are not doing anything new > that would interfere with sound from youtube. They said I will have to > contact youtube directly (as if that would be possible). So, what's the > 411? Is youtube limiting streaming (if that's what it's called) to get > people on paid subscription in anticiptaion of the new Canadian > copyright laws or what? Youtube has become a critical tool in giving > guitar lessons. Students come in asking to play songs I've never heard. > So, I go to youtube, type in "Wonderwall Oasis", listen to the song, > download the tab, and we're off. I would probably pay for a youtube > subscription if I had to. Maybe your speakers are off, or your flash plugin isn't configured to allow sound or is using the wrong sound device, or something else is using the sound device and not sharing. No ISP would go through the trouble of trying to take apart flash programs in a stream and modify them. That's just rediculous to even consider. The problem is with your computer or setup of it, not with your ISP and almost certainly not with youtube either. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 24 15:30:44 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:30:44 -0400 Subject: solar project tracking software? In-Reply-To: <200809230851.13328.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <200809230851.13328.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <20080924153044.GB22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 08:51:12AM -0400, bob 295 wrote: > I volunteer some of my time for the Halton Residential Solar Project. This > project aims to facilitate homeowner purchase and installation of solar hot > water and solar PV systems in the Halton area. > > There have been similar initiatives in the Toronto, Guelph and Waterloo areas. > > I know that the Toronto group is in the process of building a software > application to track the progress of a solar installation from start to > finish. The idea is that the homeowner, vendor and project facilitators > can view (and some cases input) content online via a web browser. Alas I > believe the TO initiative has selected a Gatesware based solution. > > I was wondering if anyone knew of an open source project which might have > software close to this requirement. If not would anyone be willing to be > part of a team to use the LAMP stack to create such a piece of software. Why is it always LAMP? I HATE mysql. Postgresql is much nicer and a better database and nicer to administrate. Why not LAPP? I guess it isn't as cute an acronym, and people love acronyms and buzz words. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 24 15:47:34 2008 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:47:34 -0400 Subject: solar project tracking software? In-Reply-To: <20080924153044.GB22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200809230851.13328.icanprogram@295.ca> <20080924153044.GB22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <491f66a50809240847nbec5fa3t5aea77633e407d9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 08:51:12AM -0400, bob 295 wrote: > > I volunteer some of my time for the Halton Residential Solar Project. > This > > project aims to facilitate homeowner purchase and installation of solar > hot > > water and solar PV systems in the Halton area. > > > > There have been similar initiatives in the Toronto, Guelph and Waterloo > areas. > > > > I know that the Toronto group is in the process of building a software > > application to track the progress of a solar installation from start to > > finish. The idea is that the homeowner, vendor and project > facilitators > > can view (and some cases input) content online via a web browser. Alas > I > > believe the TO initiative has selected a Gatesware based solution. > > > > I was wondering if anyone knew of an open source project which might have > > software close to this requirement. If not would anyone be willing > to be > > part of a team to use the LAMP stack to create such a piece of software. > > Why is it always LAMP? I HATE mysql. Postgresql is much nicer and a > better database and nicer to administrate. Why not LAPP? I guess it > isn't as cute an acronym, and people love acronyms and buzz words. > > I concur, I just assumed it was postgresql though. Dave > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 24 15:57:32 2008 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:57:32 -0400 Subject: solar project tracking software? In-Reply-To: <20080924153044.GB22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200809230851.13328.icanprogram@295.ca> <20080924153044.GB22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <49e826e90809240857jc8d6dd8x6492936e50bd8288@mail.gmail.com> LAMP has always stood for the following combinations: Linux/Apache/(MySQL/Msql/Postgresql)/(PHP/Perl) My 2c. Asaf On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Lennart Sorensen < lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 08:51:12AM -0400, bob 295 wrote: > > I volunteer some of my time for the Halton Residential Solar Project. > This > > project aims to facilitate homeowner purchase and installation of solar > hot > > water and solar PV systems in the Halton area. > > > > There have been similar initiatives in the Toronto, Guelph and Waterloo > areas. > > > > I know that the Toronto group is in the process of building a software > > application to track the progress of a solar installation from start to > > finish. The idea is that the homeowner, vendor and project > facilitators > > can view (and some cases input) content online via a web browser. Alas > I > > believe the TO initiative has selected a Gatesware based solution. > > > > I was wondering if anyone knew of an open source project which might have > > software close to this requirement. 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URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 24 16:14:55 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:14:55 -0400 Subject: openVpN Linux (server) Window (client) In-Reply-To: References: <48D80141.9040209@rogers.com> Message-ID: <48DA677F.8070704@rogers.com> William Muriithi wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry, I think the email above had some error. Looking closely, it did > not also work on Linux client. Both Windows and Linux client are at > par as far as VPN is concerned. > > What is actually happening is I can reach the Virtual IP (10.80.80.1) > and physical IP (10.1.1.99) of the vpn server. I am however unable to > reach any other client in the LAN. That imply a routing problem. Below > is my server routes > > #/sbin/ip route > 10.80.80.2 dev tun0 proto kernel scope link src 10.80.80.1 > 10.80.80.0/24 via 10.80.80.2 dev tun0 > 10.1.1.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 10.1.1.99 > 169.254.0.0/16 dev eth0 scope link > default via 10.1.1.1 dev eth0 > > The 10.80.80.xx network is what is issued to the VPN clients. The > 10.1.1.x network is what is used in the LAN. The VPN server is not in > line, that is the default gateway and VPN server are different. On the > default gateway (A window box), I applied this route. > > route ADD 10.80.80.0 MASK 255.255.255.0 10.1.1.99 -p > >>From this Window box, I can ping 10.80.80.1 and can not reach > connected clients. What could I be missing here? You configure the route in the OpenVPN config file. Here's mine: # Edit this file, and save to a .ovpn extension # so that OpenVPN will activate it when run # as a service. # Change 'myremote' to be your remote host, # or comment out to enter a listening # server mode. remote my.network.net # Uncomment this line to use a different # port number than the default of 1194. ; port 1194 port 1194 # Choose one of three protocols supported by # OpenVPN. If left commented out, defaults # to udp. ; proto [tcp-server | tcp-client | udp] proto udp # You must specify one of two possible network # protocols, 'dev tap' or 'dev tun' to be used # on both sides of the connection. 'tap' creates # a VPN using the ethernet protocol while 'tun' # uses the IP protocol. You must use 'tap' # if you are ethernet bridging or want to route # broadcasts. 'tun' is somewhat more efficient # but requires configuration of client software # to not depend on broadcasts. Some platforms # such as Solaris, OpenBSD, and Mac OS X only # support 'tun' interfaces, so if you are # connecting to such a platform, you must also # use a 'tun' interface on the Windows side. # Enable 'dev tap' or 'dev tun' but not both! dev tun # This is a 'dev tap' ifconfig that creates # a virtual ethernet subnet. # 10.3.0.1 is the local VPN IP address # and 255.255.255.0 is the VPN subnet. # Only define this option for 'dev tap'. # ifconfig 10.3.0.1 255.255.255.0 # This is a 'dev tun' ifconfig that creates # a point-to-point IP link. # 10.1.0.1 is the local VPN IP address and # 10.1.0.2 is the remote VPN IP address. # Only define this option for 'dev tun'. # Make sure to include the "tun-mtu" option # on the remote machine, but swap the order # of the ifconfig addresses. ;tun-mtu 1500 ifconfig 10.1.0.2 10.1.0.1 # If you have fragmentation issues or misconfigured # routers in the path which block Path MTU discovery, # lower the TCP MSS and internally fragment non-TCP # protocols. ;fragment 1300 ;mssfix # If you have set up more than one TAP-Win32 adapter # on your system, you must refer to it by name. ;dev-node my-tap # You can generate a static OpenVPN key # by selecting the Generate Key option # in the start menu. # # You can also generate key.txt manually # with the following command: # openvpn --genkey --secret key.txt # # key must match on both ends of the connection, # so you should generate it on one machine and # copy it to the other over a secure medium. # Place key.txt in the same directory as this # config file. secret static.key # Uncomment this section for a more reliable # detection when a system loses its connection. # For example, dial-ups or laptops that travel # to other locations. # # If this section is enabled and "myremote" # above is a dynamic DNS name (i.e. dyndns.org), # OpenVPN will dynamically "follow" the IP # address of "myremote" if it changes. ; ping-restart 60 ; ping-timer-rem ; persist-tun ; persist-key ; resolv-retry 86400 # keep-alive ping ping 10 # enable LZO compression #comp-lzo # moderate verbosity verb 4 mute 10 route 172.16.1.0 255.255.255.0 10.1.0.1 #push "redirect-gateway" BTW, the IP addresses listed above are secret, so don't mention them to anyone. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 24 21:14:58 2008 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:14:58 -0400 Subject: youtube no sound In-Reply-To: <20080924152656.GA22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <48DA3E11.8000108@chrisaitken.net> <48DA400A.7040007@chrisaitken.net> <20080924152656.GA22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <7ac602420809241414h2f50c489l265d628dfe952840@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Maybe your speakers are off, or your flash plugin isn't configured to > allow sound or is using the wrong sound device, or something else is > using the sound device and not sharing. I also have a lingering no-sound-on-YouTube problem, but it's because my ALSA OSS emulation is broken and I haven't yet bothered (much) to fix it. If Chris weren't also having trouble with XP, I'd point my finger at the Linux version of the Flash player and ALSA's OSS layer. (Adobe, or whoever, should really update the Flash plug-in to use ALSA directly, but I'm not holding my breath.) Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 24 21:15:24 2008 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:15:24 -0400 Subject: make my thinkpad into a typewriter Message-ID: <1222290924.25037.8.camel@localhost> hi, i have a thinkpad x31 -- so medium-powered -- which is currently running a vanilla ubuntu. i'm not unsatisfied with it but i'd like to be able to work without all the distracting bells and whistlesof the gnome environment. Thus far any attempts to load a framebuffer module kill my console, which means the console really isn't adequate for doingwork -- can't see enough text on the screen. So i'm looking for a lightweight window manager with the following characteristics: - boots very fast - tiled or tabbed interface - easy way to maximize a window to fill the whole screen (so, overriding the tiling). - fast keybindings that don't conflict with emacs basically, i want to run a maximized emacs session most of the time, but have other apps in the background waiting in case i need them. and i wouldn't mind to have some tind of statusbar or something, with say the battery levels and the time displayed -- so i don't have to switch to a terminal just to type "date" or "acpi" I will also sometimes need a wireless internet connection, so i was thinking i would need a systray for nm-applet -- but i see that there's a new cnetworkmanager applet for the command line. i like the looks of xmonad but don't see that there's an easy way to toggle a window between tiled and maximized state. if anyone has a configuration for xmonad -- or any other lightweight wm -- that does what i'm looking for, i'd love to see it. thanks as always, matt -- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 24 21:20:19 2008 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:20:19 -0400 Subject: make my thinkpad into a typewriter In-Reply-To: <1222290924.25037.8.camel@localhost> References: <1222290924.25037.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <7ac602420809241420x7b731d52u8ef19b92ad5bd141@mail.gmail.com> I've never used it myself, but I think Ratpoison was designed with your goals in mind. Also, have a look at the GTALUG wiki and see if you can find the presentation given on window managers. I think it would have been early 2007 or late 2006, but I can't remember the presenter's name, or anything. Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 24 23:48:58 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:48:58 -0400 Subject: youtube no sound In-Reply-To: <20080924152656.GA22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <48DA3E11.8000108@chrisaitken.net> <48DA400A.7040007@chrisaitken.net> <20080924152656.GA22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <48DAD1EA.1080101@chrisaitken.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 09:26:34AM -0400, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > >> I just called my ISP. They told me that they are not doing anything new >> that would interfere with sound from youtube. They said I will have to >> contact youtube directly (as if that would be possible). So, what's the >> 411? Is youtube limiting streaming (if that's what it's called) to get >> people on paid subscription in anticiptaion of the new Canadian >> copyright laws or what? Youtube has become a critical tool in giving >> guitar lessons. Students come in asking to play songs I've never heard. >> So, I go to youtube, type in "Wonderwall Oasis", listen to the song, >> download the tab, and we're off. I would probably pay for a youtube >> subscription if I had to. >> > > Maybe your speakers are off, No (see above) - I can play music through Nuendo (XP) and Totem (linux). > or your flash plugin isn't configured to > allow sound or is using the wrong sound device, or something else is > using the sound device and not sharing. > > No ISP would go through the trouble of trying to take apart flash > programs in a stream and modify them. That's just rediculous to even > consider. It /is/ rEdiculous. > The problem is with your computer or setup of it, /Which/ computer? It's happening simultaneously on an XP and a linux machine. And what "setup" do XP and ubuntu have in common? > not with > your ISP and almost certainly not with youtube either. > Well, I guess you're right about the ISP and youtube - I just found out youtube is playing music on my daughter's ubunut 8.04 machine downstairs... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 25 00:56:49 2008 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:56:49 -0400 Subject: make my thinkpad into a typewriter In-Reply-To: <7ac602420809241420x7b731d52u8ef19b92ad5bd141-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1222290924.25037.8.camel@localhost> <7ac602420809241420x7b731d52u8ef19b92ad5bd141@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DAE1D1.2070107@pppoe.ca> Ian Petersen wrote: > I've never used it myself, but I think Ratpoison was designed with > your goals in mind. Also, have a look at the GTALUG wiki and see if > you can find the presentation given on window managers. I think it > would have been early 2007 or late 2006, but I can't remember the > presenter's name, or anything. > > Ian > I think the presenter was Giles Orr. Regards Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 25 01:15:50 2008 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:15:50 -0400 Subject: make my thinkpad into a typewriter In-Reply-To: <48DAE1D1.2070107-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org> References: <1222290924.25037.8.camel@localhost> <7ac602420809241420x7b731d52u8ef19b92ad5bd141@mail.gmail.com> <48DAE1D1.2070107@pppoe.ca> Message-ID: <7ac602420809241815j5c0e4c35jfc7369762decf27c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Meng Cheah wrote: > Ian Petersen wrote: >> >> I've never used it myself, but I think Ratpoison was designed with >> your goals in mind. Also, have a look at the GTALUG wiki and see if >> you can find the presentation given on window managers. I think it >> would have been early 2007 or late 2006, but I can't remember the >> presenter's name, or anything. > > I think the presenter was Giles Orr. Yes! Now that you've said his name, I remember. It was definitely Giles Orr, and the presentation was very good--his personal website includes all sorts of information on window managers, including an intriguing genealogy. Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 25 02:03:48 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:03:48 -0400 Subject: make my thinkpad into a typewriter In-Reply-To: <7ac602420809241815j5c0e4c35jfc7369762decf27c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1222290924.25037.8.camel@localhost> <7ac602420809241420x7b731d52u8ef19b92ad5bd141@mail.gmail.com> <48DAE1D1.2070107@pppoe.ca> <7ac602420809241815j5c0e4c35jfc7369762decf27c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f13df280809241903o528fc640x54f53b230886a052@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/24 Ian Petersen : > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Meng Cheah wrote: >> Ian Petersen wrote: >>> >>> I've never used it myself, but I think Ratpoison was designed with >>> your goals in mind. Also, have a look at the GTALUG wiki and see if >>> you can find the presentation given on window managers. I think it >>> would have been early 2007 or late 2006, but I can't remember the >>> presenter's name, or anything. >> >> I think the presenter was Giles Orr. > > Yes! Now that you've said his name, I remember. It was definitely > Giles Orr, and the presentation was very good--his personal website > includes all sorts of information on window managers, including an > intriguing genealogy. http://www.gilesorr.com/wm/ I'm fairly certain that xmonad includes the toggling you're thinking of. Most tiling window managers do, although you may not be as happy with it as you think. The commonest problem is that most of them act in a manner similar to wmii, which allows you to choose whether you want a tiled or a free-floating desktop, but not ready toggling after that. And even when you have the free-floating, you have to use a modifier key in combination with a mouse press to move a window. Awesome does exactly what you're looking for, allowing very easy toggling between several tiling layouts and free-floating windows ... but there's a major problem. You were looking for a lightweight window manager. Awesome is one of the "heaviest" there is at this point. I had a bit of a debate with the author about the number of libraries (mostly font stuff) he's packed into it recently, and he argued that everybody has the resources to run it. I looked at my quad core box with 4G of memory and had a hard time arguing, but you could make a really good case for it. Or you could just get and build an older version: 2.0 should be okay, 2.3.2 is not. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 25 03:21:18 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:21:18 +0300 Subject: openVpN Linux (server) Window (client) In-Reply-To: <48DA677F.8070704-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <48D80141.9040209@rogers.com> <48DA677F.8070704@rogers.com> Message-ID: Hi James, Thanks for finally getting back on this. I am wondering though, do you use it between the two computers only or can you get to any computer on the LAN the VPN server is sitting in? I have had a peer to peer connection between the server and client for days now, but I can not reach any other host on the server LAN. That is where I am stuck. By the way, I am telling everybody here about your secret IPs and they are thrilled. I guess you will have to change them now. :) Regards, William 2008/9/24 James Knott : > William Muriithi wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Sorry, I think the email above had some error. Looking closely, it did >> not also work on Linux client. Both Windows and Linux client are at >> par as far as VPN is concerned. >> >> What is actually happening is I can reach the Virtual IP (10.80.80.1) >> and physical IP (10.1.1.99) of the vpn server. I am however unable to >> reach any other client in the LAN. That imply a routing problem. Below >> is my server routes >> >> #/sbin/ip route >> 10.80.80.2 dev tun0 proto kernel scope link src 10.80.80.1 >> 10.80.80.0/24 via 10.80.80.2 dev tun0 >> 10.1.1.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 10.1.1.99 >> 169.254.0.0/16 dev eth0 scope link >> default via 10.1.1.1 dev eth0 >> >> The 10.80.80.xx network is what is issued to the VPN clients. The >> 10.1.1.x network is what is used in the LAN. The VPN server is not in >> line, that is the default gateway and VPN server are different. On the >> default gateway (A window box), I applied this route. >> >> route ADD 10.80.80.0 MASK 255.255.255.0 10.1.1.99 -p >> >>> From this Window box, I can ping 10.80.80.1 and can not reach >> >> connected clients. What could I be missing here? > > You configure the route in the OpenVPN config file. > Here's mine: > > # Edit this file, and save to a .ovpn extension > # so that OpenVPN will activate it when run > # as a service. > > # Change 'myremote' to be your remote host, > # or comment out to enter a listening > # server mode. > > remote my.network.net > > # Uncomment this line to use a different > # port number than the default of 1194. > ; port 1194 > port 1194 > > # Choose one of three protocols supported by > # OpenVPN. If left commented out, defaults > # to udp. > ; proto [tcp-server | tcp-client | udp] > proto udp > > # You must specify one of two possible network > # protocols, 'dev tap' or 'dev tun' to be used > # on both sides of the connection. 'tap' creates > # a VPN using the ethernet protocol while 'tun' > # uses the IP protocol. You must use 'tap' > # if you are ethernet bridging or want to route > # broadcasts. 'tun' is somewhat more efficient > # but requires configuration of client software > # to not depend on broadcasts. Some platforms > # such as Solaris, OpenBSD, and Mac OS X only > # support 'tun' interfaces, so if you are > # connecting to such a platform, you must also > # use a 'tun' interface on the Windows side. > > # Enable 'dev tap' or 'dev tun' but not both! > dev tun > > # This is a 'dev tap' ifconfig that creates > # a virtual ethernet subnet. > # 10.3.0.1 is the local VPN IP address > # and 255.255.255.0 is the VPN subnet. > # Only define this option for 'dev tap'. > # ifconfig 10.3.0.1 255.255.255.0 > > # This is a 'dev tun' ifconfig that creates > # a point-to-point IP link. > # 10.1.0.1 is the local VPN IP address and > # 10.1.0.2 is the remote VPN IP address. > # Only define this option for 'dev tun'. > # Make sure to include the "tun-mtu" option > # on the remote machine, but swap the order > # of the ifconfig addresses. > ;tun-mtu 1500 > ifconfig 10.1.0.2 10.1.0.1 > > # If you have fragmentation issues or misconfigured > # routers in the path which block Path MTU discovery, > # lower the TCP MSS and internally fragment non-TCP > # protocols. > ;fragment 1300 > ;mssfix > > # If you have set up more than one TAP-Win32 adapter > # on your system, you must refer to it by name. > ;dev-node my-tap > > # You can generate a static OpenVPN key > # by selecting the Generate Key option > # in the start menu. > # > # You can also generate key.txt manually > # with the following command: > # openvpn --genkey --secret key.txt > # > # key must match on both ends of the connection, > # so you should generate it on one machine and > # copy it to the other over a secure medium. > # Place key.txt in the same directory as this > # config file. > secret static.key > > # Uncomment this section for a more reliable > # detection when a system loses its connection. > # For example, dial-ups or laptops that travel > # to other locations. > # > # If this section is enabled and "myremote" > # above is a dynamic DNS name (i.e. dyndns.org), > # OpenVPN will dynamically "follow" the IP > # address of "myremote" if it changes. > ; ping-restart 60 > ; ping-timer-rem > ; persist-tun > ; persist-key > ; resolv-retry 86400 > > # keep-alive ping > ping 10 > > # enable LZO compression > #comp-lzo > > # moderate verbosity > verb 4 > mute 10 > > route 172.16.1.0 255.255.255.0 10.1.0.1 > #push "redirect-gateway" > > BTW, the IP addresses listed above are secret, so don't mention them to > anyone. ;-) > > -- > Use OpenOffice.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 25 06:15:14 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:15:14 -0400 Subject: make my thinkpad into a typewriter In-Reply-To: <1222290924.25037.8.camel@localhost> References: <1222290924.25037.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20080925061514.GA19076@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 05:15:24PM -0400, Matt Price wrote: >can't see enough text on the screen. So i'm looking for a lightweight >window manager with the following characteristics: > >- boots very fast >- tiled or tabbed interface >- easy way to maximize a window to fill the whole screen (so, overriding >the tiling). >- fast keybindings that don't conflict with emacs I have used several over the years that can do things that you are looking for. For keyboard-heavy use I used wmii2 for a while, and it is very good, fast and interesting. Unfortunately, I needed the GIMP, and the philosophy of the GIMP is at odds with wmii2 (many floaty windows). It worked, but it was clunky. wmii2 has a steep learning/configuring curve, but it is very good for leaving your hands on the home row and still having the advantages of a GUI. You may get other advice, but what I have settled on is OpenBox - a blackbox variant that is nicely mature and does almost nothing, but has great configurability. I don't use widgets, but that would be how I would keep tabs on battery life, etc. To get OpenBox configured I'd use obconf, but it will only get you so far. There are two config files; rc.xml which has cool stuff like keyboard shortcuts, and menu.xml, which has the menu. I build my own menus (visible on right-click on the desktop only) which are *very* streamlined, but YMMV. Here are my config files for OpenBox: .config/openbox/rc.xml 100 100 yes no 0 yes yes no Carbon yes yes NLIMC Bitstream Vera Sans 11 Normal Normal Bitstream Vera Sans 11 Normal Normal Bitstream Vera Sans 11 Normal Normal Bitstream Vera Sans 11 Normal Normal Bitstream Vera Sans 11 Normal Normal UnderMouse
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2 one two 875 no NonPixel Center 0 0 BottomRight Top Vertical 0 0 yes 300 A-Left no 300 C-g urxvt xfce4-terminal --geometry 80x72 xterm -fg white -bg black -vb +sb -geometry 80x72 gvim ogle /home/willyyam/vids/pixar_shorts xscreensaver-command -lock firefox vlc ooffice yes yes yes yes yes yes client-menu 3 200 client-menu client-menu client-menu client-menu client-list-menu root-menu 0 0 0 0 0
.config/openbox/menu.xml firefox icedove iceowl ooffice qtorrent pidgin vlc ogle gxine kino dvdstyler xpdf gv xmms amarok gimp gqview inkscape qcad k3b --config .kde/share/config/k3br xcdroast -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 25 06:48:52 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:48:52 -0400 Subject: make my thinkpad into a typewriter In-Reply-To: <1222290924.25037.8.camel@localhost> References: <1222290924.25037.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20080925024852.60d26fe7@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Matt Price wrote: > i have a thinkpad x31 -- so medium-powered -- which is currently running > a vanilla ubuntu. i'm not unsatisfied with it but i'd like to be able > to work without all the distracting bells and whistlesof the gnome > environment. Thus far any attempts to load a framebuffer module kill my > console, which means the console really isn't adequate for doingwork -- > can't see enough text on the screen. So i'm looking for a lightweight > window manager with the following characteristics: > > - boots very fast > - tiled or tabbed interface > - easy way to maximize a window to fill the whole screen (so, overriding > the tiling). > - fast keybindings that don't conflict with emacs > > basically, i want to run a maximized emacs session most of the time, but > have other apps in the background waiting in case i need them. and i > wouldn't mind to have some tind of statusbar or something, with say the > battery levels and the time displayed -- so i don't have to switch to a > terminal just to type "date" or "acpi" > > I will also sometimes need a wireless internet connection, so i was > thinking i would need a systray for nm-applet -- but i see that there's > a new cnetworkmanager applet for the command line. > > i like the looks of xmonad but don't see that there's an easy way to > toggle a window between tiled and maximized state. if anyone has a > configuration for xmonad -- or any other lightweight wm -- that does > what i'm looking for, i'd love to see it. thanks as always, Try Pekwm, very very lightweight. I have it running on an old Pentium 100 here and it's fine. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ Bender: I believe that qualifies as ill. At least from a technical standpoint. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 25 11:14:25 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:14:25 -0400 Subject: openVpN Linux (server) Window (client) In-Reply-To: References: <48D80141.9040209@rogers.com> <48DA677F.8070704@rogers.com> Message-ID: <48DB7291.1010100@rogers.com> William Muriithi wrote: > Hi James, > > Thanks for finally getting back on this. I am wondering though, do you > use it between the two computers only or can you get to any computer > on the LAN the VPN server is sitting in? I have had a peer to peer > connection between the server and client for days now, but I can not > reach any other host on the server LAN. That is where I am stuck. > > The VPN terminates on my firewall and I can reach any computer on my home network, from the remote computer. Did you notice that route command at the end of the config file. That's what adds the routing for the remote end. You'll also need a corresponding route at the other end. If the network end terminates on a computer, other than the one used for your firewall, you'll need routing specified on each device. Otherwise, the default route takes care of it. Use Wireshark to see what's happening. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 25 12:01:14 2008 From: chris-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA at public.gmane.org (Mr Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:01:14 -0400 Subject: youtube no sound In-Reply-To: <48DA5151.1020202-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <48DA3E11.8000108@chrisaitken.net> <48DA400A.7040007@chrisaitken.net> <48DA5151.1020202@rogers.com> Message-ID: <48DB7D8A.5090604@chrisaitken.net> James Knott wrote: > Mr Chris Aitken wrote: >> Mr Chris Aitken wrote: >>> I can't hear youtube on either of my computers. One computer is >>> running XP and the other is running ubuntu 8.04. From both computers >>> I can play music (for example from Nuendo in XP and from Totem in >>> linux). >>> >>> So, I'm thinking the problem is with youtube or my ISP blocking the >>> sound or whatever. >> >> I just called my ISP. They told me that they are not doing anything >> new that would interfere with sound from youtube. They said I will >> have to contact youtube directly (as if that would be possible). So, >> what's the 411? Is youtube limiting streaming (if that's what it's >> called) to get people on paid subscription in anticiptaion of the new >> Canadian copyright laws or what? Youtube has become a critical tool >> in giving guitar lessons. Students come in asking to play songs I've >> never heard. So, I go to youtube, type in "Wonderwall Oasis", listen >> to the song, download the tab, and we're off. I would probably pay >> for a youtube subscription if I had to. > > I had sound from Youtube as recently as yesterday on OpenSUSE (Rogers) > and this morning on XP (Sympatico). Try this link: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI0AEJkotzM That didn't work either. > > Can you move either computer to another location or ISP? What happens > if you try other sites that provide sound? Thanks for your troubleshooting tips. As it turns out they weren't necessary. I decided to do a shutdown / cold boot (I know, we're supposed to believe that is NEVER necessary in linux). Good thing I did because ubuntu would not shutdown, it just hung (oops, there I go again), so I did a Ctrl+Alt+F3, ran 'shutdown now', then ubuntu offerred me a recovery mode screen from which I chose 'repair packages', that ran (I think the app is dpkg) and asked for confirmation ('Y') to fix some apps, I entered 'Y', dpkg did its thing, then offered me the recovery mode screen again from which I chose 'reboot', the machine rebooted and youtube is playing sound now. :) Why youtube won't play in XP I don't really care because I'm not interested in troubleshooting Windows, and since it is a dedicated Nuendo machine I shouldn't really even be going on the Internet with it. Thanks everyone, Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 25 16:17:33 2008 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:17:33 -0400 Subject: [OT]: YouTube causing system lockups Message-ID: <99a6c38f0809250917o268bee1bk8e837ec964dcab20@mail.gmail.com> In the fallout of my failed HDD a few weeks ago I installed PCLinuxOS and have started giving KDE a bit of a try. All's well and good so far but as of yesterday I'm having some trouble with YouTube. It was working fine but now - all of a sudden like - it regularly causing my entire machine to lock up. I can't change to virtual terminals (1-4) or even shutdown X (Ctrl-Alt-Backspace). Any ideas what might be causing this behavior? I've heard that Google may have been working on something at YouTube yesterday around 18:00PDT but I don't know what they were up to or if there's any relation. TIA, - Scott. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ http://www.psema4.com/blog/ http://www.google.com/reader/shared/14892828400785741937 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 25 16:22:28 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:22:28 -0400 Subject: [OT]: YouTube causing system lockups In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0809250917o268bee1bk8e837ec964dcab20-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0809250917o268bee1bk8e837ec964dcab20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080925122228.66e49ce4@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Scott Elcomb wrote: > In the fallout of my failed HDD a few weeks ago I installed PCLinuxOS > and have started giving KDE a bit of a try. > > All's well and good so far but as of yesterday I'm having some trouble > with YouTube. It was working fine but now - all of a sudden like - it > regularly causing my entire machine to lock up. I can't change to > virtual terminals (1-4) or even shutdown X (Ctrl-Alt-Backspace). > > Any ideas what might be causing this behavior? I've heard that Google > may have been working on something at YouTube yesterday around > 18:00PDT but I don't know what they were up to or if there's any > relation. Check your Flash version, I've noticed that very new betas can be _very_ unstable. -- JoeHill ++++++++++++++++++++ "I refuse to fight! I'm a concientious objector." -Bender "A what?" -Fry "You know, a coward." -Bender -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's some relevant info on the system, sorry in advance if some of it doesn't format well: cat /proc/version Linux version 2.6.18.8.tex5 (vaughan at localhost) (gcc version 4.1.1 20060724 (prerelease) (4.1.1-4pclos2007)) #1 SMP Thu May 10 11:36:58 WST 2007 about:plugins Shockwave Flash File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31 MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf Yes application/futuresplash FutureSplash Player spl Yes YouTube was fine for the last few weeks... until yesterday. I'm not sure why it stopped working, but I'm not convinced at this point that Flash is the issue. (I could certainly be wrong, but I'm not terribly knowledgeble on Flash... I only use it when I gotsta. ;-) -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ http://www.psema4.com/blog/ http://www.google.com/reader/shared/14892828400785741937 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 25 17:08:23 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:08:23 -0400 Subject: [OT]: YouTube causing system lockups In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0809250936y523451d6wb2930dbf3577b14a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f0809250917o268bee1bk8e837ec964dcab20@mail.gmail.com> <20080925122228.66e49ce4@node1.freeyourmachine.org> <99a6c38f0809250936y523451d6wb2930dbf3577b14a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080925130823.02a12aef@node1.freeyourmachine.org> Scott Elcomb wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:22 PM, JoeHill wrote: > > Check your Flash version, I've noticed that very new betas can be _very_ > > unstable. > > Here's some relevant info on the system, sorry in advance if some of > it doesn't format well: > > cat /proc/version > Linux version 2.6.18.8.tex5 (vaughan at localhost) (gcc version 4.1.1 > 20060724 (prerelease) (4.1.1-4pclos2007)) #1 SMP Thu May 10 11:36:58 > WST 2007 > > about:plugins > Shockwave Flash > > File name: libflashplayer.so > Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31 > > MIME Type Description > Suffixes Enabled > application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf Yes > application/futuresplash FutureSplash Player spl Yes > > > YouTube was fine for the last few weeks... until yesterday. I'm not > sure why it stopped working, but I'm not convinced at this point that > Flash is the issue. (I could certainly be wrong, but I'm not terribly > knowledgeble on Flash... I only use it when I gotsta. ;-) I don't know that much about it either, only that when I'm having problems it almost always helps to upgrade or downgrade as the case may be. I ran into a similar situation to yours at work recently, though without the hard lockups. One day almost any site with video would immediately crash the browser. I downloaded the latest Flash 9 (_not_ Flash 10 beta), installed it, and all was well. Sites very often start using a newer version of the Flash software without telling their users, so it's fairly common for a site to work one day and not the next, at least in my experience. I would try uninstalling the packaged version of Flash, download the one from Adobe and just install it to ~/. 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One day almost any site with video would immediately crash the > browser. I downloaded the latest Flash 9 (_not_ Flash 10 beta), installed it, > and all was well. > > Sites very often start using a newer version of the Flash software without > telling their users, so it's fairly common for a site to work one day and not > the next, at least in my experience. > > I would try uninstalling the packaged version of Flash, download the one from > Adobe and just install it to ~/. At least then you can rule out a version > problem and move on. Alrighty. That'll likely have to wait until after the weekend, since I'm on nights until Sunday, but I'll give it a shot. Thx for the help! - Scott. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ http://www.psema4.com/blog/ http://www.google.com/reader/shared/14892828400785741937 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 25 22:25:34 2008 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:25:34 -0400 Subject: make my thinkpad into a typewriter In-Reply-To: <1f13df280809241903o528fc640x54f53b230886a052-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1222290924.25037.8.camel@localhost> <7ac602420809241420x7b731d52u8ef19b92ad5bd141@mail.gmail.com> <48DAE1D1.2070107@pppoe.ca> <7ac602420809241815j5c0e4c35jfc7369762decf27c@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280809241903o528fc640x54f53b230886a052@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222381534.7553.52.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 22:03 -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > http://www.gilesorr.com/wm/ > > I'm fairly certain that xmonad includes the toggling you're thinking > of. Most tiling window managers do, although you may not be as happy > with it as you think. The commonest problem is that most of them act > in a manner similar to wmii, which allows you to choose whether you > want a tiled or a free-floating desktop, but not ready toggling after > that. And even when you have the free-floating, you have to use a > modifier key in combination with a mouse press to move a window. > > Awesome does exactly what you're looking for, allowing very easy > toggling between several tiling layouts and free-floating windows ... > but there's a major problem. You were looking for a lightweight > window manager. Awesome is one of the "heaviest" there is at this > point. I had a bit of a debate with the author about the number of > libraries (mostly font stuff) he's packed into it recently, and he > argued that everybody has the resources to run it. I looked at my > quad core box with 4G of memory and had a hard time arguing, but you > could make a really good case for it. Or you could just get and build > an older version: 2.0 should be okay, 2.3.2 is not. > thanks ian and meng! And nice to meet you, Giles, I used your bash prompt howto way back! it sounds like i should try out awesome -- though it's too bad that it's so bulky. the behaviour you describe in the other tiling managers -- where toggling between fullscreen & not is a slightly clumsy operation -- doesn't seem like what i want. though maybe what i should do is get more used to switching virtual desktops -- still doesn't seem quite right. I'll try openbox too -- thanks for the config, william! i'll take more suggestions too, if folksstill have them... matt -- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 26 12:26:47 2008 From: rjonasz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Randy Jonasz) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:26:47 -0400 Subject: OT: Java Jobs Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I just received this e-mail from the project manager of CAISI, a group we work with on the open source EMR OSCAR. I thought someone on the list might be interested. Cheers, Randy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 7:51 PM Subject: PLEASE POST: CAISI Project IT Positions: Open Source J2EE positions to help end homelessness To: Randy Jonasz , davidgdaley-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org, maillist-z3L/acBEKgLJPO3Kjao2dg at public.gmane.org, pguelpa-Vu6Zmc4qiqE at public.gmane.org, Tedman Leung , annie zhou , phc-Fi+pGq2EzL4 at public.gmane.org, toby.bian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org, davec-RDL/qDirzP6R85p3v6+8aQ at public.gmane.org Hello OSCAR - CAISI IT team and IT partners please be aware that the CAISI Project is looking to fill the following positions. Please forward this opportunity to networks or contacts who might be interested in being part of a dynamic open source team working on an active integration effort being used to help end chronic homelessness locally and nationally: 1) J2EE Software developer (senior) - integration: integrating existing EMR and case management software with established local and provincial health networks 2) J2EE Software developer (senior) - web: upgrading legacy web layer code which include scriptlets and Struts 1.x based JSPs to Java Server Faces (JSF) 3) J2EE Software developer (intermediate) - developing reporting features which efficiently extract data points from the underlying data model to produce various reports to be used by both users and external software 4) QA engineer (intermediate) developing and executing test cases for a JAVA based web application 5) J2EE Software developer (intermediate) developing new features, as well as refactoring existing code on a well established web based Electronic Medical Record (EMR) and case management application HL7 or health experience in any of the positions is an asset. for more details and to respond please go to: http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/search/jjj/tor?query=caisi or reply directly to ITjobsCAISI-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org please send replies within the next 2 weeks, we have received many QA applicants and are especially interested in developper applicants at this time. 5-6 month contract position with possibility for extension. CAISI Project Background: Many homeless people in Toronto have difficulty maintaining adequate health care while on the street or in the shelter system due to the fragmentation of health and shelter care in the City. This results in the revolving door cycle between shelters, hospitals, and multiple health care providers. The Client Access to Integrated Services and Information (CAISI) Project aims to break this cycle by enhancing the ability of multiple agencies to offer more integrated health services to a homeless client through the use of an existing open source electronic health information system. The CAISI open source electronic health information system has integrated multi-agency case management, bed management and medical record capabilities that support partner agencies that assist the homeless. Partner agencies include shelters, drop in centers, outreach teams, public health clinics and hospitals. The CAISI project began in April 2005 with ten participating agencies in 2007. Today we have twenty-six participating agencies and will be expanding to other agencies over the next six months. thanks so much! t The CAISI Project: Agencies and clients integrating care to end chronic homelessness. www.caisi.ca please join the CAISI mailing lists at: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oscarmcmaster-caisi Client Access to Integrated Services and Information (CAISI) -- Oscar Developer McMaster University 75 Frid Street, Hamilton, ON 905 525 9140 x27735 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 26 14:10:00 2008 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:10:00 -0400 Subject: make my thinkpad into a typewriter In-Reply-To: <1222381534.7553.52.camel@localhost> References: <1222290924.25037.8.camel@localhost> <7ac602420809241420x7b731d52u8ef19b92ad5bd141@mail.gmail.com> <48DAE1D1.2070107@pppoe.ca> <7ac602420809241815j5c0e4c35jfc7369762decf27c@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280809241903o528fc640x54f53b230886a052@mail.gmail.com> <1222381534.7553.52.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20080926141000.C3375854F0@sarg.ryerson.ca> > though maybe what i should do is get more used to switching virtual > desktops That's what I have done for almost a decade on linux and 6 years on MacOSX (I've never used Windows more than casually, so I don't know if there's a similar facility). On linux I have the keypad keys set to 9 different virtual desktops so I can go to a full-screen emacs in one keystroke (or all my Firefox windows, or myth, or squeak). I used this with fvwm for years and showed a sticky little 3x3 pager in the bottom-right corner of my screen, but now have it with Gnome (or KDE - not sure which as this isn't my daily machine now). I had a similar setup on MacOSX with a 3rd-party switcher, but I now use Spaces which makes me hold down the control key plus the keypad - but I've more or less gotten used to that extra digit motion. ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 26 14:42:55 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: youtube no sound In-Reply-To: <48DA3E11.8000108-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <48DA3E11.8000108@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: | From: Mr Chris Aitken | I can't hear youtube on either of my computers. One computer is running XP and | the other is running ubuntu 8.04. From both computers I can play music (for | example from Nuendo in XP and from Totem in linux). | | So, I'm thinking the problem is with youtube or my ISP blocking the sound or | whatever. As others have noted, the problem is likely in your house. Probably two problems, at least: different ones for each OS. I don't use Flash. So I don't know much about it. You could try that too :-) Flash is a source of a lot of problems. I did read this in the Fedora mailing list. It may apply to Ubuntu 8.04: The Adobe Flash player *may* need libflashsupport to be able to play sound. Apparently, for some systems, it isn't needed, hence why it's not a required dependency that'll get automatically added by yum when you install the Flash player, itself. Both Ubuntu 8.04 and Fedora use the new PulseAudio sound system and it creates a bunch of problems. In the long term, it should be a Good Thing, but we're in the short term right now :-). Heaven knows Linux sound systems are a bit of a mess (OSS -> Alsa -> PulseAudio). PulseAudio does have some limitations. For example, I think that it always does software mixing, even if the sound hardware can do mixing. Another is that it might add more latency or jitter than sound engineers want, so serious sound software may want to bypass it. Good luck. You might consider asking on a Ubuntu forum since that has a high concentration of Ubuntu users. Maybe even developers. Oh, and before asking, do some searching: you are unlikely to be the first to encounter the problem. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 26 16:13:48 2008 From: dmason-bqArmZWzea/GcjXNFnLQ/w at public.gmane.org (Dave Mason) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:13:48 -0400 Subject: youtube no sound In-Reply-To: References: <48DA3E11.8000108@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20080926161348.F3DD9854F0@sarg.ryerson.ca> Hugh's comments triggered some neurons. On my (Fedora) system, using PulseAudio, multiple sound sources can't share. So if I run the music player or myth or firefox, and then try to run one of the others without shutting down the original program, the new program produces no sound. I have to shutdown the first sound-source before *starting* the second sound-source. As Hugh says, I'm sure they'll get this working properly on Linux some day, but in the interim, this is one of the many reasons I use Macs extensively now. ../Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 26 20:33:44 2008 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:33:44 -0400 Subject: openbox fonts In-Reply-To: <1222381534.7553.52.camel@localhost> References: <1222290924.25037.8.camel@localhost> <7ac602420809241420x7b731d52u8ef19b92ad5bd141@mail.gmail.com> <48DAE1D1.2070107@pppoe.ca> <7ac602420809241815j5c0e4c35jfc7369762decf27c@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280809241903o528fc640x54f53b230886a052@mail.gmail.com> <1222381534.7553.52.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1222461225.19912.6.camel@localhost> hi folks, hmm -- i'm trying out a few different options, including xmonnad, awesome, and openbox. I like openbox a lot -- the keybindings are great, and the "MoveResizeTo" command allows me to almost-tile windows pretty easily. the one issue i have is with the default fonts within applications -- right now i'm typing in evolution and the fonts are HUGE! same with gnome-terminal, which is the term i use by default (for no particular reason though). and the same also goes for emacs, though the setting of fonts for emacs has always been a complete mystery to me so that may have nothing to do with openbox. to be clear, i don't mean the fonts used in titlebars and so forth -- those are great. but the fonts used by applications seem unduly enormous. does this sound familiar to anyone? any clues what i ought to do?? thanks much, matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 26 22:11:49 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:11:49 -0400 Subject: openbox fonts In-Reply-To: <1222461225.19912.6.camel@localhost> References: <1222290924.25037.8.camel@localhost> <7ac602420809241420x7b731d52u8ef19b92ad5bd141@mail.gmail.com> <48DAE1D1.2070107@pppoe.ca> <7ac602420809241815j5c0e4c35jfc7369762decf27c@mail.gmail.com> <1f13df280809241903o528fc640x54f53b230886a052@mail.gmail.com> <1222381534.7553.52.camel@localhost> <1222461225.19912.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20080926221149.GA4981@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 04:33:44PM -0400, Matt Price wrote: > WRT Openbox >to be clear, i don't mean the fonts used in titlebars and so forth -- >those are great. but the fonts used by applications seem unduly >enormous. does this sound familiar to anyone? any clues what i ought >to do?? It looks like obconf might help - there is some stuff under Appearance that may apply. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 28 16:00:08 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:00:08 -0400 Subject: debian and nvidia drivers Message-ID: <20080928120008.2842e29d@teksavvy.com> Just got Debian Lenny up and runnning last night, having a few headaches mainly because I'm just not used to it. 1st off, I _did_ see Lennart's howto on installing the NVidia drivers the 'debian way', and I understand the reasoning for using that method, however I would like to, if possible, use the latest drivers available from NVidia. I am at the point now where I've got the appropriate headers for my kernel installed, but when I run the NVidia installer I get a message that the GCC used to compile my kernel is not the same as the currently installed kernel, and that the 2.6 kernel will reject modules built with a GCC that doesn't match. Anyone else ran into this and/or have any sol'ns for this? -- JoeHill -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 28 16:11:27 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:11:27 -0400 Subject: debian and nvidia drivers In-Reply-To: <20080928120008.2842e29d-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20080928120008.2842e29d@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <48DFACAF.3040501@utoronto.ca> JoeHill wrote: > Just got Debian Lenny up and runnning last night, having a few headaches mainly > because I'm just not used to it. > > 1st off, I _did_ see Lennart's howto on installing the NVidia drivers the > 'debian way', and I understand the reasoning for using that method, however I > would like to, if possible, use the latest drivers available from NVidia. > > I am at the point now where I've got the appropriate headers for my kernel > installed, but when I run the NVidia installer I get a message that the GCC > used to compile my kernel is not the same as the currently installed kernel, > and that the 2.6 kernel will reject modules built with a GCC that doesn't match. > > Anyone else ran into this and/or have any sol'ns for this? "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1" and then running the installer will work. Whatever version the installer complains about is the one to use. You may have to apt-get it, don't recall. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 28 17:08:57 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:08:57 -0400 Subject: debian and nvidia drivers In-Reply-To: <48DFACAF.3040501-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20080928120008.2842e29d@teksavvy.com> <48DFACAF.3040501@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20080928130857.6f5e8806@teksavvy.com> Jamon Camisso wrote: > JoeHill wrote: > > Just got Debian Lenny up and runnning last night, having a few headaches > > mainly because I'm just not used to it. > > > > 1st off, I _did_ see Lennart's howto on installing the NVidia drivers the > > 'debian way', and I understand the reasoning for using that method, however > > I would like to, if possible, use the latest drivers available from NVidia. > > > > I am at the point now where I've got the appropriate headers for my kernel > > installed, but when I run the NVidia installer I get a message that the GCC > > used to compile my kernel is not the same as the currently installed kernel, > > and that the 2.6 kernel will reject modules built with a GCC that doesn't > > match. > > > > Anyone else ran into this and/or have any sol'ns for this? > > "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1" and then running the installer will work. > Whatever version the installer complains about is the one to use. You > may have to apt-get it, don't recall. That did it, thanks :-) One weird thing, in my xorg.conf my GeForce 7600 showed up as 'generic', and now that I've enabled the nvidia driver, I've got vertical stripes of slight blurriness. ie., about every few inches on my screen, the text is blurred a bit, then clear, then blurred, etc. Would that be something like a bad refresh rate? -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 28 18:16:33 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:16:33 -0400 Subject: debian and nvidia drivers In-Reply-To: <20080928130857.6f5e8806-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20080928120008.2842e29d@teksavvy.com> <48DFACAF.3040501@utoronto.ca> <20080928130857.6f5e8806@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <20080928141633.5ec674e2@teksavvy.com> JoeHill wrote: > Would that be something like a bad refresh rate? yup ;) looks awesome now, thanks very much Jamon. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 28 20:58:08 2008 From: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ken O. Burtch) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:58:08 -0400 Subject: LoneCoder: Writing Computer Books and Bill C-61 Message-ID: <1222635488.6750.6.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> My latest Lone Coder entry. YMMV, KB -- "?I've written about the misunderstandings of the DMCA in a previous Lone Coder entry. However, last week, someone asked me whether, as a writer, I would ever endorse the free copying of a book over the Internet. I will respond to this question by first describing what it is like to be a Linux author. I know or have worked with a number of published computer authors, including Chris Browne, Jordan Chilcott and Warren W. Gay..." ?http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder/coder_september_2008.html -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone/Fax: 905-562-0848 "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org "Perl Phrasebook" Blog: http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 28 23:46:05 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:46:05 -0400 Subject: LoneCoder: Writing Computer Books and Bill C-61 In-Reply-To: <1222635488.6750.6.camel-sLtTAFnw5m7xXJQZHMdDwiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1222635488.6750.6.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Ken O. Burtch wrote: > "?I've written about the misunderstandings of the DMCA in a previous > Lone Coder entry. However, last week, someone asked me whether, as a > writer, I would ever endorse the free copying of a book over the > Internet. I certainly agree with you on the "how profitable is it?" side of things. I haven't ever seen a penny of royalties, which has the result that, from a practical standpoint, it wouldn't injure me for my works to get "freely copied over the Internet." I'm not 100% aligned on the "no career value" side of it; I would suggest, instead, that the sorts of HR departments that evaluate the merits of potential staff based on keyword matches (and the likes) don't really care about *any* kinds of qualifications that don't fit lockstep into their mandated evaluation criteria. It strikes me that there's really two main kinds of copying that take place: a) Cases where they never would have paid anyone anything anyways. The classic old "software piracy" cases fit pretty well with that; the "rings" of kids copying games might, by *some* criterion, be "stealing" thousands of dollars worth of stuff, however, that seems severely overestimated, as they'd never *have* bought the stuff at full price. They likely haven't the money to have imagined doing so. Frankly, I don't care about these people. Not even to attack/prosecute them. There's no money to be had, and there's a fair argument to be made that they haven't done any meaningful damage. b) Cases of trying stuff out. If it seems of value, such people *do* have a high frequency of buying. For books, I'd see it being pretty likely that if someone finds the copy to be of value that they might consider paying full price. That's certainly the case for me at work; I've had a case where I got copies of an out-of-print book printed up, and tried to see if the author wanted payment. (He never got back to me, and payment wasn't mandated.) I'd probably buy more technical books than I do if I *could* get full sample copies to verify that it's what I want. I wouldn't buy every one, but that's not the point - the point is that more information would lead to buying more. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling From gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 28 23:56:48 2008 From: gnicol-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (George Nicol) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:56:48 -0400 Subject: LoneCoder: Writing Computer Books and Bill C-61 In-Reply-To: <1222635488.6750.6.camel-sLtTAFnw5m7xXJQZHMdDwiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1222635488.6750.6.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: <48E019C0.9050504@primus.ca> Ken O. Burtch wrote: > My latest Lone Coder entry. > ?http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder/coder_september_2008.html Ken, have you read Cory Doctorow's first collection of essays? It's title is "(c)ontent" and the author's description follows: Today (September 9, 2008), Tachyon Books and I are launching my latest book, "Content: Selected Essays on Technology, Creativity, Copyright, and the Future of the Future", my first collection of essays. In it are 28 essays about everything from copyright and DRM to the layout of phone-keypads, the fallacy of the semantic web, the nature of futurism, the necessity of privacy in a digital world, the reason to love Wikipedia, the miracle of fanfic, and many other subjects. The book sports a very fine Introduction by John Perry Barlow, and was designed by typography legend John D Berry. I?m especially chuffed about John?s superb design, because I?m giving the whole electronic text away in the hopes of selling more printed objects, and the fact that this is one of the best-looking books I?ve ever read really makes the case for owning the p-book as well as the e-book (there?s an essay on this subject in the book, too, natch). As with "Little Brother", I?m running a donations program for this book: if you love the book and want to donate something to me for it, you can do so by buying a copy for a librarian or teacher (teachers and librarians: you can request a copy for your institution). This worked incredibly well for "Little Brother": we?ve gotten hundreds of copies of that hardcover into the hands of worthy, cash-strapped institutions thanks to the generosity of my readers. /end quote "Content: Selected Essays on Technology, Creativity, Copyright, and the Future of the Future" --- http://craphound.com/content/ . -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 12:55:25 2008 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:55:25 -0400 Subject: Open Street Map question Message-ID: Is there a limited volume ideally Ontario centric Open Street Map mailing list? As I have noted in other e-mails, earlier this month I was up in Perth ON, and I have tossed up material I collected with a cheap GPS receiver from that trip, but I have run into small issues from the trip. like: - In behind the Perth town hall is a bandstand, a roughly 20' across octagon that raises a band maybe 3' above the ground, and provides a roof in case of rain/snow. Okay, so how does one tag something like that? For now I have used the "Arts Centre" tag, as it is a performing arts location (of the most basic sort), but is there a better tag? - How do you insert traffic lights into the maps. For Perth the two key intersections with traffic lights (there are a few other not so key intersections) are at Gore/Foster and Foster/Wilson... - I have run into oddities with JOSM map editor, and managed by accident to turn a small island into a roadway. A mistake I don't want to repeat, so getting answers on the use of JOSM would be nice... I am currently subscribed to the main MythTV mailing list, a nice list, but I could not cope with a similar volume of Open Street Map related e-mails, thus the interest in a limited volume mailing list... Thanks. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 13:46:06 2008 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:46:06 -0400 Subject: October 14th GTALug board elections. Message-ID: The Greater Toronto Area Linux User Group is looking for volunteers to serve as board members. This will allow you to help set the direction and tone of your user group. You along with your fellow board members will be able to decide how this user group goes and works. The board normally meets on the fourth Monday of every month near Yonge and Finch. If this appeals to you, here is what you will need: - You will need to be a paid member of of GTALug. - You will need to get at least one other paid member to nominate you. - You will need to be at the October 14th meeting (where the elections will be held). Colin McGregor will be acting as returning officer for the meeting, so, any questions regarding the election can be passed on to him. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 14:10:47 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:10:47 -0400 Subject: October 14th GTALug board elections. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Colin McGregor wrote: > - You will need to be at the October 14th meeting (where the > elections will be held). It is worth noting that the Federal election takes place on the same day. Voting Federally may fit perfectly well with the logistics of your getting to the GTALUG meeting, but if it does not, you should have recently received a card from Elections Canada indicating polling locations which includes locations and times for advance polls earlier than the 14th. I would not presume to suggest what party you should vote for, but would certainly encourage those GTALUG members that are also citizens of our fair land to express their political views via voting for their favorite political candidates in their respective ridings. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 14:41:48 2008 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:41:48 -0400 Subject: postfix smtp errors Message-ID: <1222699308.13022.56.camel@localhost> hope this isn't a duplicate -- i've had some issues with my mailers as i fiddle with my smtp settings & am concerned that my first try didn't make it out the door... matt hi folks, i recently discovered that i can still connect to the utoronto smtp servers even from behind my evil rogers connection -- as long as i use port 587. this setup works fine with thunderbird when i set it up directly from within the client. However, i'd like to just get postfix to do what i want, and funnel thunderbird, evolution, mutt, etc through postfix. but i haven't managed to do this. Right now i'm getting these errors: Sep 28 21:58:22 gont postfix/smtp[22402]: 2A2A3120261: to=, relay=smtp.utoronto.ca[142.150.210.60]:587, delay=0.52, delays=0.02/0/0.45/0.05, dsn=5.7.0, status=bounced (host smtp.utoronto.ca[142.150.210.60] said: 530 5.7.0 Authentication required (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) i'm not sure why it says " authentication required" -- I think I have authentication set up already. here's my /etc/postfix/main.cf: # See /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist for a commented, more complete version smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Debian/GNU) biff = no # appending .domain is the MUA's job. append_dot_mydomain = no # Uncomment the next line to generate "delayed mail" warnings #delay_warning_time = 4h myhostname = anarres.mercey.org alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases myorigin = /etc/mailname mydestination = localhost relayhost = [smtp.utoronto.ca]:587 #authentication stuff smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtp_sasl_security_options = smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION" mailbox_size_limit = 0 recipient_delimiter = + inet_interfaces = loopback-only ------------ and then my sasl_passwd has this line: [smtp.utoronto.ca]:587 user:passwd i've run postmap /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd, but that hasn't helped. i feel i must be missing something, but i'm not sure what it is. any gurus out there who know morethan me? thanks!! matt -- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 15:06:59 2008 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:06:59 -0400 Subject: LoneCoder: Writing Computer Books and Bill C-61 In-Reply-To: <48E019C0.9050504-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <1222635488.6750.6.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <48E019C0.9050504@primus.ca> Message-ID: George Nicol wrote: > Ken O. Burtch wrote: >> My latest Lone Coder entry. >> ?http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder/coder_september_2008.html > Ken, have you read Cory Doctorow's first collection of essays? His web site will turn up an anecdote now and then about a book (at least one, and not the one George mentions later) whose sales increased (e.g.) 20% after they started giving it away. Do technical or academic books ever get advertised anywhere, in any way, at all? Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 15:41:07 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:41:07 -0400 Subject: Stopping FF from going into Offline mode Message-ID: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> Hi all, I've got a shiny new laptop (Eee PC1000h) and every time I drift out of wireless range Firefox goes into "Offline Mode". I understand the logic of this, but I use my lappy for web development. When it goes into this mode it no longer executes my CGI script but simply reloads the last page, making it look like it did. This inevitably causes me to wonder "why aren't my changes taking?" for a couple minutes before I remember to check if it's offline. Secondly; Is there any resource that explains all the options in about:config? Thanks! Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 15:48:50 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:48:50 -0400 Subject: postfix smtp errors In-Reply-To: <1222699308.13022.56.camel@localhost> References: <1222699308.13022.56.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <48E0F8E2.4000409@utoronto.ca> Matt Price wrote: > hope this isn't a duplicate -- i've had some issues with my mailers as > i fiddle with my smtp settings & am concerned that my first try didn't > make it out the door... > matt > > > > hi folks, > > i recently discovered that i can still connect to the utoronto smtp > servers even from behind my evil rogers connection -- as long as i use > port 587. this setup works fine with thunderbird when i set it up > directly from within the client. However, i'd like to just get postfix > to do what i want, and funnel thunderbird, evolution, mutt, etc through > postfix. but i haven't managed to do this. Right now i'm getting these > errors: > > Sep 28 21:58:22 gont postfix/smtp[22402]: 2A2A3120261: to=, relay=smtp.utoronto.ca[142.150.210.60]:587, delay=0.52, delays=0.02/0/0.45/0.05, dsn=5.7.0, status=bounced (host smtp.utoronto.ca[142.150.210.60] said: 530 5.7.0 Authentication required (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) > > > i'm not sure why it says " authentication required" -- I think I have > authentication set up already. here's my /etc/postfix/main.cf: > > # See /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist for a commented, more complete > version > > smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Debian/GNU) > biff = no > > # appending .domain is the MUA's job. > append_dot_mydomain = no > > # Uncomment the next line to generate "delayed mail" warnings > #delay_warning_time = 4h > > myhostname = anarres.mercey.org > alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases > alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases > myorigin = /etc/mailname > mydestination = localhost > relayhost = [smtp.utoronto.ca]:587 > #authentication stuff > smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes > smtp_sasl_security_options = > smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd > mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 > mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION" > mailbox_size_limit = 0 > recipient_delimiter = + > inet_interfaces = loopback-only > > ------------ > > and then my sasl_passwd has this line: > > [smtp.utoronto.ca]:587 user:passwd > > i've run postmap /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd, but that hasn't helped. > > i feel i must be missing something, but i'm not sure what it is. any > gurus out there who know morethan me? thanks!! U of T require tls, so maybe fiddle with smtp_use_tls = yes and smtp_tls_loglevel? Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 15:51:08 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:51:08 -0400 Subject: Stopping FF from going into Offline moden In-Reply-To: <48E0F713.2090904-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> Hi Madi, Does this help: http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=11503&forumId=1 Can we look forward to a review of your eeepc? -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jvetterli-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 15:50:04 2008 From: jvetterli-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:50:04 -0400 Subject: October 14th GTALug board elections. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can a person become a paid member of GTALug at the Oct. 14th meeting and vote for that election as well? How much does a membership cost? JV On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 09:46:06AM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > The Greater Toronto Area Linux User Group is looking for volunteers to > serve as board members. This will allow you to help set the direction > and tone of your user group. You along with your fellow board members > will be able to decide how this user group goes and works. The board > normally meets on the fourth Monday of every month near Yonge and > Finch. > > If this appeals to you, here is what you will need: > > - You will need to be a paid member of of GTALug. > - You will need to get at least one other paid member to nominate you. > - You will need to be at the October 14th meeting (where the > elections will be held). > > Colin McGregor will be acting as returning officer for the meeting, > so, any questions regarding the election can be passed on to him. > > > Colin McGregor > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 15:54:10 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:54:10 +0300 Subject: Second hand server rack Message-ID: Hi there, I know someone who is looking for a cheap server rack. Would you know anybody who is disposing a rack currently? Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 16:24:05 2008 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:24:05 -0400 Subject: October 14th GTALug board elections. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/29/08, John Vetterli wrote: > Can a person become a paid member of GTALug at the Oct. 14th meeting and > vote for that election as well? How much does a membership cost? > > JV Yes, you can become a paid member at the start of the meeting and then vote. Membership is $20 (Canadian) per year. Colin McGregor > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 09:46:06AM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: >> The Greater Toronto Area Linux User Group is looking for volunteers to >> serve as board members. This will allow you to help set the direction >> and tone of your user group. You along with your fellow board members >> will be able to decide how this user group goes and works. The board >> normally meets on the fourth Monday of every month near Yonge and >> Finch. >> >> If this appeals to you, here is what you will need: >> >> - You will need to be a paid member of of GTALug. >> - You will need to get at least one other paid member to nominate you. >> - You will need to be at the October 14th meeting (where the >> elections will be held). >> >> Colin McGregor will be acting as returning officer for the meeting, >> so, any questions regarding the election can be passed on to him. >> >> >> Colin McGregor >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 16:29:59 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:29:59 -0400 Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: <20080929155108.GJ869-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> Neil Watson wrote: > Hi Madi, > > Does this help: > http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=11503&forumId=1 > > > Can we look forward to a review of your eeepc? > That looks like it will do it, thanks. As for the Eee, I can put something together. I fell ill before I finished this: http://wiki.tle-bu.org/index.php/User:Digimer#Ubuntu_on_the_ASUS_Eee_PC_1000H Though I hope to finish it up later this week when I will make it an "official" doc. In the mean time... I couldn't find a Linux version (grumble grumble) so I had to get the windows version. I was in a pickle as my Thinkpad died and I needed a new machine right away. That said, I now use the Eee as my "daily driver" and I love it. I always tell people when looking at buying something to ask people who have it what they *don't* like first, so that is where I will start. There are two things I found difficult to get used to: - The touch pad is the same as the one in the Apple Air. It uses gestures to accomplish certain things. For example, to scroll, you slide two fingers up or down together instead of using a dedicated side of the touch pad surface. To middle click, you tap the touchpad with two fingers. - The right shift key is on the right side of the up arrow. This is wierd, to say the least, and the one thing I'm still trying to get used to. Along the same vein, the home/end and pg up up/pg down keys are accessed by pressing fn+an arror key. This though, I am actually getting used to quite quickly. - Last, the screen's hight is still a little shy for some apps. This is an issue with the class of machine though, not the Eee itself. Now with that said, I absolutely LOVE this thing. When my boss got the first version, the Eee 4G, I said that if they made they screen bigger and they keyboard a little better they'd have a winner, and that is exactly what they did. Some key points I love; - It's light. After years of trucking around Thinkpads, this thing feels like it's not even there. - The screen is a dream. Even in sunlight I usually don't need full brightness. With the LED backlight, everything is easy to read. It honestly boggles my mind how crisp this screen is. I hear that's a benefit of LED backlight, mainly, but I love it. - It can run warm, but not ridiculously so. yesterday I laid on the couch with my douvet over me and the Eee running on top of it, and it didn't complain. That's about the worse thing you can do, heat wise, so I was impressed. - It's very reasonably fast. It's no speed deamon, to be sure, but I expected a much slower machine after using the 4G. This easily runs all my apps, and I can have a LOT going at times. Ripping a DVD (legal!), listening to OGG, running Apache2 and Postgres, running KDE apps in Gnome, all no problem. - With the new kernel installed, wireless and wired network work great. I have no trouble grabbing connections at local hotspots. - Battery life is decent, but not what is advertised. I suspect though this largely has to do with Linux not yet fully supporting the Atom CPU. In short, I'd recommend it. However, I'd suggest you try typing on a demo unit first if you are serious about buying one, just to make sure you are happy with it. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 16:37:13 2008 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: <48E10287.40303-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <2427.142.108.108.35.1222706233.squirrel@www.lijour.net> A nice piece of hardware indeed. Mandriva supports it out of the box. Compiz is even running very smoothly there. Marc > Neil Watson wrote: >> Hi Madi, >> >> Does this help: >> http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=11503&forumId=1 >> >> >> Can we look forward to a review of your eeepc? >> > > That looks like it will do it, thanks. > > As for the Eee, I can put something together. I fell ill before I > finished this: > > http://wiki.tle-bu.org/index.php/User:Digimer#Ubuntu_on_the_ASUS_Eee_PC_1000H > > Though I hope to finish it up later this week when I will make it an > "official" doc. > > In the mean time... > > I couldn't find a Linux version (grumble grumble) so I had to get the > windows version. I was in a pickle as my Thinkpad died and I needed a > new machine right away. That said, I now use the Eee as my "daily > driver" and I love it. > > I always tell people when looking at buying something to ask people who > have it what they *don't* like first, so that is where I will start. > There are two things I found difficult to get used to: > > - The touch pad is the same as the one in the Apple Air. It uses > gestures to accomplish certain things. For example, to scroll, you slide > two fingers up or down together instead of using a dedicated side of the > touch pad surface. To middle click, you tap the touchpad with two fingers. > > - The right shift key is on the right side of the up arrow. This is > wierd, to say the least, and the one thing I'm still trying to get used > to. Along the same vein, the home/end and pg up up/pg down keys are > accessed by pressing fn+an arror key. This though, I am actually getting > used to quite quickly. > > - Last, the screen's hight is still a little shy for some apps. This is > an issue with the class of machine though, not the Eee itself. > > Now with that said, I absolutely LOVE this thing. When my boss got the > first version, the Eee 4G, I said that if they made they screen bigger > and they keyboard a little better they'd have a winner, and that is > exactly what they did. > > Some key points I love; > > - It's light. After years of trucking around Thinkpads, this thing feels > like it's not even there. > > - The screen is a dream. Even in sunlight I usually don't need full > brightness. With the LED backlight, everything is easy to read. It > honestly boggles my mind how crisp this screen is. I hear that's a > benefit of LED backlight, mainly, but I love it. > > - It can run warm, but not ridiculously so. yesterday I laid on the > couch with my douvet over me and the Eee running on top of it, and it > didn't complain. That's about the worse thing you can do, heat wise, so > I was impressed. > > - It's very reasonably fast. It's no speed deamon, to be sure, but I > expected a much slower machine after using the 4G. This easily runs all > my apps, and I can have a LOT going at times. Ripping a DVD (legal!), > listening to OGG, running Apache2 and Postgres, running KDE apps in > Gnome, all no problem. > > - With the new kernel installed, wireless and wired network work great. > I have no trouble grabbing connections at local hotspots. > > - Battery life is decent, but not what is advertised. I suspect though > this largely has to do with Linux not yet fully supporting the Atom CPU. > > In short, I'd recommend it. However, I'd suggest you try typing on a > demo unit first if you are serious about buying one, just to make sure > you are happy with it. > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 16:50:37 2008 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:50:37 -0400 Subject: postfix smtp errors In-Reply-To: <48E0F8E2.4000409-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1222699308.13022.56.camel@localhost> <48E0F8E2.4000409@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1222707037.13022.68.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 11:48 -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Matt Price wrote: > > i recently discovered that i can still connect to the utoronto smtp > > servers even from behind my evil rogers connection -- as long as i use > > port 587. this setup works fine with thunderbird when i set it up > > directly from within the client. However, i'd like to just get postfix > > to do what i want, and funnel thunderbird, evolution, mutt, etc through > > postfix. but i haven't managed to do this. Right now i'm getting these > > errors: > > > > Sep 28 21:58:22 gont postfix/smtp[22402]: 2A2A3120261: to=, relay=smtp.utoronto.ca[142.150.210.60]:587, delay=0.52, delays=0.02/0/0.45/0.05, dsn=5.7.0, status=bounced (host smtp.utoronto.ca[142.150.210.60] said: 530 5.7.0 Authentication required (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) > > > > ------------ > > > > and then my sasl_passwd has this line: > > > > [smtp.utoronto.ca]:587 user:passwd > > > > i've run postmap /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd, but that hasn't helped. > > > > i feel i must be missing something, but i'm not sure what it is. any > > gurus out there who know morethan me? thanks!! > > U of T require tls, so maybe fiddle with smtp_use_tls = yes and > smtp_tls_loglevel? > > Jamon hey jamon, solved it! that put me in the right direction -- just randomly copied some shit from a guide, i'm sure a bunch of this stuff is unnecessary but at least it seems to work: # utoronto requires tls smtp_use_tls=yes smtp_tls_loglevel=2 smtp_tls_security_level = may #smtpd_use_tls=yes smtpd_tls_security_level = may smtpd_tls_auth_only = no smtp_tls_note_starttls_offer = yes #smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1 #smtpd_tls_received_header = yes #smtpd_tls_session_cache_timeout = 3600s tls_random_source = dev:/dev/urandom smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key i'll try to pare thisdown when i have more time but for now it works... m > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 16:57:29 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Open Street Map question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Colin McGregor | Is there a limited volume ideally Ontario centric Open Street Map mailing list? There is a low volume list for Canada: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 17:26:44 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: <48E10287.40303-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> Message-ID: | From: Madison Kelly | - Last, the screen's hight is still a little shy for some apps. This is an | issue with the class of machine though, not the Eee itself. The one exception that I know of is the HP Mini-Note (1280x768 8.9"). But it is expensive (but so is the EEE 1000) and it uses a Via CPU which people say is too slow. | - It can run warm, but not ridiculously so. yesterday I laid on the couch with | my douvet over me and the Eee running on top of it, and it didn't complain. | That's about the worse thing you can do, heat wise, so I was impressed. Too many laptops have vents on the bottom. I assume therefore that it isn't safe to put them on soft surfaces (beds, laps, carpets, couches) or non-flat surfaces (my messy desk). My new thinkpad has no vents on the bottom (yay!), does the EEE? I think that most of the netbooks have vents on the bottom. I also hate noisy fans. One great thing about the Dell netbook: no fan! | - Battery life is decent, but not what is advertised. I suspect though this | largely has to do with Linux not yet fully supporting the Atom CPU. Battery life is a weak point in this class. The Atom itself is fairly good as far as power use. Unfortunately, the support chips are power hungry -- they were designed for earlier CPUs. Intel is coming out with a new chipset that is better matched to the Atom. People look for models with 6-cell batteries (the default is 3-cell, except for the Dell which has a 4-cell battery). Machines with them seem to be significantly more expensive (about $100). They are surely heavier and larger. The rumour is that batteries are in short supply world-wide. The expected recession should fix that. Thanks for you notes. Very interesting and useful. (I've been reading but not trying these netbooks.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 17:51:36 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:51:36 -0400 Subject: postfix smtp errors In-Reply-To: <1222707037.13022.68.camel@localhost> References: <1222699308.13022.56.camel@localhost> <48E0F8E2.4000409@utoronto.ca> <1222707037.13022.68.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <48E115A8.7000509@utoronto.ca> Matt Price wrote: > On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 11:48 -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: >> Matt Price wrote: > >>> i recently discovered that i can still connect to the utoronto smtp >>> servers even from behind my evil rogers connection -- as long as i use >>> port 587. this setup works fine with thunderbird when i set it up >>> directly from within the client. However, i'd like to just get postfix >>> to do what i want, and funnel thunderbird, evolution, mutt, etc through >>> postfix. but i haven't managed to do this. Right now i'm getting these >>> errors: >>> >>> Sep 28 21:58:22 gont postfix/smtp[22402]: 2A2A3120261: to=, relay=smtp.utoronto.ca[142.150.210.60]:587, delay=0.52, delays=0.02/0/0.45/0.05, dsn=5.7.0, status=bounced (host smtp.utoronto.ca[142.150.210.60] said: 530 5.7.0 Authentication required (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) >>> >>> ------------ >>> >>> and then my sasl_passwd has this line: >>> >>> [smtp.utoronto.ca]:587 user:passwd >>> >>> i've run postmap /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd, but that hasn't helped. >>> >>> i feel i must be missing something, but i'm not sure what it is. any >>> gurus out there who know morethan me? thanks!! >> U of T require tls, so maybe fiddle with smtp_use_tls = yes and >> smtp_tls_loglevel? >> >> Jamon > hey jamon, > > solved it! that put me in the right direction -- just randomly copied > some shit from a guide, i'm sure a bunch of this stuff is unnecessary > but at least it seems to work: > # utoronto requires tls > smtp_use_tls=yes > smtp_tls_loglevel=2 > smtp_tls_security_level = may > #smtpd_use_tls=yes > smtpd_tls_security_level = may > smtpd_tls_auth_only = no > smtp_tls_note_starttls_offer = yes > #smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1 > #smtpd_tls_received_header = yes > #smtpd_tls_session_cache_timeout = 3600s > tls_random_source = dev:/dev/urandom > smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem > smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key > > > i'll try to pare thisdown when i have more time but for now it works... You don't need the smtpd directives unless you have users authenticating and sending mail via your relay. the smtpd directives are for postfix when it acts as a server for incoming messages from authenticated users. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jvetterli-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 18:10:57 2008 From: jvetterli-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:10:57 -0400 Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: <48E10287.40303-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Damn you! Now I want one! JV On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:29:59PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > Neil Watson wrote: > >Hi Madi, > > > >Does this help: > >http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=11503&forumId=1 > > > > > >Can we look forward to a review of your eeepc? > > > > That looks like it will do it, thanks. > > As for the Eee, I can put something together. I fell ill before I > finished this: > > http://wiki.tle-bu.org/index.php/User:Digimer#Ubuntu_on_the_ASUS_Eee_PC_1000H > > Though I hope to finish it up later this week when I will make it an > "official" doc. > > In the mean time... > > I couldn't find a Linux version (grumble grumble) so I had to get the > windows version. I was in a pickle as my Thinkpad died and I needed a > new machine right away. That said, I now use the Eee as my "daily > driver" and I love it. > > I always tell people when looking at buying something to ask people who > have it what they *don't* like first, so that is where I will start. > There are two things I found difficult to get used to: > > - The touch pad is the same as the one in the Apple Air. It uses > gestures to accomplish certain things. For example, to scroll, you slide > two fingers up or down together instead of using a dedicated side of the > touch pad surface. To middle click, you tap the touchpad with two fingers. > > - The right shift key is on the right side of the up arrow. This is > wierd, to say the least, and the one thing I'm still trying to get used > to. Along the same vein, the home/end and pg up up/pg down keys are > accessed by pressing fn+an arror key. This though, I am actually getting > used to quite quickly. > > - Last, the screen's hight is still a little shy for some apps. This is > an issue with the class of machine though, not the Eee itself. > > Now with that said, I absolutely LOVE this thing. When my boss got the > first version, the Eee 4G, I said that if they made they screen bigger > and they keyboard a little better they'd have a winner, and that is > exactly what they did. > > Some key points I love; > > - It's light. After years of trucking around Thinkpads, this thing feels > like it's not even there. > > - The screen is a dream. Even in sunlight I usually don't need full > brightness. With the LED backlight, everything is easy to read. It > honestly boggles my mind how crisp this screen is. I hear that's a > benefit of LED backlight, mainly, but I love it. > > - It can run warm, but not ridiculously so. yesterday I laid on the > couch with my douvet over me and the Eee running on top of it, and it > didn't complain. That's about the worse thing you can do, heat wise, so > I was impressed. > > - It's very reasonably fast. It's no speed deamon, to be sure, but I > expected a much slower machine after using the 4G. This easily runs all > my apps, and I can have a LOT going at times. Ripping a DVD (legal!), > listening to OGG, running Apache2 and Postgres, running KDE apps in > Gnome, all no problem. > > - With the new kernel installed, wireless and wired network work great. > I have no trouble grabbing connections at local hotspots. > > - Battery life is decent, but not what is advertised. I suspect though > this largely has to do with Linux not yet fully supporting the Atom CPU. > > In short, I'd recommend it. However, I'd suggest you try typing on a > demo unit first if you are serious about buying one, just to make sure > you are happy with it. > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 18:46:29 2008 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:46:29 -0400 Subject: postfix smtp errors In-Reply-To: <48E115A8.7000509-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1222699308.13022.56.camel@localhost> <48E0F8E2.4000409@utoronto.ca> <1222707037.13022.68.camel@localhost> <48E115A8.7000509@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1222713989.13022.81.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 13:51 -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > > > solved it! that put me in the right direction -- just randomly > copied > > some shit from a guide, i'm sure a bunch of this stuff is > unnecessary > > but at least it seems to work: > > # utoronto requires tls > > smtp_use_tls=yes > > smtp_tls_loglevel=2 > > smtp_tls_security_level = may > > #smtpd_use_tls=yes > > smtpd_tls_security_level = may > > smtpd_tls_auth_only = no > > smtp_tls_note_starttls_offer = yes > > #smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1 > > #smtpd_tls_received_header = yes > > #smtpd_tls_session_cache_timeout = 3600s > > tls_random_source = dev:/dev/urandom > > smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem > > smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key > > > > > > i'll try to pare thisdown when i have more time but for now it > works... > > You don't need the smtpd directives unless you have users > authenticating > and sending mail via your relay. the smtpd directives are for postfix > when it acts as a server for incoming messages from authenticated > users. > is that true even for the tls_cert_file and tls_key_file directives? do you think maybe the default client side cert locations are compiled in to the ubuntu packages or something? ps, nice to hear from you, some time oson i hope to settle in to the linuxcaffe & say hello to folks. matt > Jamon -- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 19:03:28 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:03:28 -0400 Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <48E12680.2030304@rogers.com> John Vetterli wrote: > Damn you! Now I want one! I recently received an Eee PC 2G/Surf Linux, thanks to RBC. This machine is somewhat limited, in comparison with the 1000, but I'll have to see about installing a better distro than the modified Xandros that it came with. Anyone have any experience with that? -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 19:06:01 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:06:01 -0400 Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: <48E10287.40303-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <48E12719.3070100@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > I couldn't find a Linux version (grumble grumble) so I had to get the > windows version. I recently read something about that situation over in England. Apparently it's hard to find Linux versions, because they can't keep them in stock, while the XP versions tend to sit on the shelf. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 20:50:11 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:50:11 -0400 Subject: Second hand server rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a97ef0809291350s73143e07o193c8db3e20a235f@mail.gmail.com> For home or office use? One of my co-workers mentioned setting up a "poor man's rack" with certain storage/shelf units from Ikea. Apparently some of them are just the right size for installing the server brackets. Not really a good idea for office use, but possibly suitable for home use. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:54 AM, William Muriithi wrote: > Hi there, > > I know someone who is looking for a cheap server rack. Would you know > anybody who is disposing a rack currently? > > > Regards, > > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 29 21:08:52 2008 From: matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:08:52 -0400 Subject: GPS for Eee PC 4G? Message-ID: <20080929170852.wfkrxua46c8goso4@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> Hi all, I saw mention of the fact that the GPS unit that comes with Microsoft Streets and Trips can run under some installs of Linux. Anyone know if it works with the Xandros install that comes with the Eee PC 4G model? I'm working on a way to mount both the laptop and a small GPS on my bike, to help with the Open Street Maps project, but I don't want to spring for the GPS unless I'm reasonably certain it will work with the laptop. Cheers! Matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 30 01:26:44 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:26:44 +0300 Subject: Second hand server rack In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0809291350s73143e07o193c8db3e20a235f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0809291350s73143e07o193c8db3e20a235f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Tyler, It is for a small office. The owner asked for a cost effective way of organizing servers that are currently spread on the floor. He backed off from taking a new rack, so I thought I ask here if someone is looking to dispose one. I am also looking around at craigslist just in case I spot something functional. Also, I will ask him tomorrow if he can entertain the poor man rack idea. Regards, William 2008/9/29 Tyler Aviss : > For home or office use? > > One of my co-workers mentioned setting up a "poor man's rack" with > certain storage/shelf units from Ikea. Apparently some of them are > just the right size for installing the server brackets. > > Not really a good idea for office use, but possibly suitable for home use. > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:54 AM, William Muriithi > wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> I know someone who is looking for a cheap server rack. Would you know >> anybody who is disposing a rack currently? >> >> >> Regards, >> >> William >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2 > (647) 302-0942 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 30 21:28:11 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:28:11 -0400 Subject: openoffice question Message-ID: <48E299EB.5020107@alteeve.com> Hi all, I take my work notes using openoffice, and I use a point form style. At the end of the month, I need to copy and paste these notes into a web form which only supports plain text. All this is fine, except for one annoying little time waster... OO automatically creates bullets for me when I start a line with a hyphen. This looks great in OO and makes my notes very easy to read (content aside). However, when I copy/paste the hyphen-style bullets are lost in the plain text (same if I paste into an editor like kate). This means I have to go back and manually enter the dash before each sentence, which is quite the waste of time. Does anyone know of a way that I could copy the bullets as hyphens and pasting from OO to a plain text medium? Thanks! Madi PS - Saving as text or RTF doesn't help... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 30 21:31:35 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: openoffice question In-Reply-To: <48E299EB.5020107-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <48E299EB.5020107@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <15335.99.253.255.228.1222810295.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Could you use a SED script to place a dash at the begging of each line? Peter > Hi all, > > I take my work notes using openoffice, and I use a point form style. > At the end of the month, I need to copy and paste these notes into a web > form which only supports plain text. All this is fine, except for one > annoying little time waster... > > OO automatically creates bullets for me when I start a line with a > hyphen. This looks great in OO and makes my notes very easy to read > (content aside). However, when I copy/paste the hyphen-style bullets are > lost in the plain text (same if I paste into an editor like kate). This > means I have to go back and manually enter the dash before each > sentence, which is quite the waste of time. > > Does anyone know of a way that I could copy the bullets as hyphens > and pasting from OO to a plain text medium? > > Thanks! > > Madi > > PS - Saving as text or RTF doesn't help... > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 30 21:48:48 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:48:48 -0400 Subject: openoffice question In-Reply-To: <48E299EB.5020107-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <48E299EB.5020107@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20080930214848.GA14971@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 05:28:11PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > Does anyone know of a way that I could copy the bullets as hyphens and > pasting from OO to a plain text medium? I don't see a way that looks like it'll work - saving as text doesn't do it either. What I do is to turn off the Autoformating -> While typing feature (it lives under Format). Then, what I type is actually what I see. Mind you, I would favour such a solution, as I write my notes in vim, and only use OOo when typing long-form text. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 30 22:08:35 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:08:35 -0400 Subject: openoffice question In-Reply-To: <15335.99.253.255.228.1222810295.squirrel-2RFepEojUI2DznVbVsZi4adLQS1dU2Lr@public.gmane.org> References: <48E299EB.5020107@alteeve.com> <15335.99.253.255.228.1222810295.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <48E2A363.9000405@alteeve.com> phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Could you use a SED script to place a dash at the begging of each line? > > Peter Meh, it's not the solution I was thinking of, but it wasn't hard to implement. I wanted a little more advanced options though (mainly in deciding what lines for a hyphen and how deep in) so I whacked out a perl script. I just had it read from the file and print to STDOUT, which I redirected to a new file when I was happy. In case it saves anyone some time (ha!), here it is for glorious benefit of great public domain. Thanks for the train of thought I missed! madi -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use warnings; use IO::Handle; my $file="./to_hyphen"; my $read=IO::Handle->new(); open ($read, "< $file") or die "Couldn't read: [$file], error was: $!\n"; while (<$read>) { chomp; my $line=$_; if (( $line ne "" ) && ( $line !~ /^\w\w\w. \d/ ) && ( $line !~ /\w+; \d/ )) { if ( $line =~ /\t/ ) { $line=" - ".$line; } else { $line="- ".$line; } } print "$line\n"; } $read->close(); -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 30 22:13:49 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:13:49 -0400 Subject: openoffice question In-Reply-To: <20080930214848.GA14971-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <48E299EB.5020107@alteeve.com> <20080930214848.GA14971@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <48E2A49D.3080009@alteeve.com> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 05:28:11PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > >> Does anyone know of a way that I could copy the bullets as hyphens and >> pasting from OO to a plain text medium? > > I don't see a way that looks like it'll work - saving as text doesn't do > it either. What I do is to turn off the Autoformating -> While typing > feature (it lives under Format). Then, what I type is actually what I > see. Mind you, I would favour such a solution, as I write my notes in > vim, and only use OOo when typing long-form text. I've thought of it, but there are things about OO that I like. Perhaps its a comfort thing? I dunno. I like vim and use it a lot, but I have not melded with it well enough to use it for casual writing of notes. Yet. :) Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists