From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 00:57:30 2008 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: DSL Modems Message-ID: <0546beb28c1f87b3f6191ba965c49647.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Greetings all, My network is wired. My current GNET BB2062 DSL modem is on the fritz. It keeps disconnecting several times a day. I need to buy a new dsl modem so I was just wondering what are you guys recommend? Are GNET modems bad to begin with? Should I use something else such as Speedstream or D-Link maybe? What DSL modems have worked well for you? I don't need a router/modem combo just a regular DSL modem, although I will by a combo and just use the modem part if it is highly recommended. Thanks Jason Carson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 01:05:50 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:05:50 -0400 Subject: OT: DSL Modems In-Reply-To: <0546beb28c1f87b3f6191ba965c49647.squirrel-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg@public.gmane.org> References: <0546beb28c1f87b3f6191ba965c49647.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: <48E2CCEE.2090201@alteeve.com> Jason Carson wrote: > Greetings all, > > My network is wired. > > My current GNET BB2062 DSL modem is on the fritz. It keeps disconnecting > several times a day. I need to buy a new dsl modem so I was just wondering > what are you guys recommend? > > Are GNET modems bad to begin with? Should I use something else such as > Speedstream or D-Link maybe? What DSL modems have worked well for you? > > I don't need a router/modem combo just a regular DSL modem, although I > will by a combo and just use the modem part if it is highly recommended. > > Thanks > > Jason Carson I'll ask my boss tomorrow what (if) we sell them for, if you like (we're a small ISP). Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 01:07:41 2008 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:07:41 -0400 Subject: OT: DSL Modems In-Reply-To: <0546beb28c1f87b3f6191ba965c49647.squirrel-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg@public.gmane.org> References: <0546beb28c1f87b3f6191ba965c49647.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> Message-ID: <7ac602420809301807l6ed203efx33adc84ff631a310@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Jason Carson wrote: > Are GNET modems bad to begin with? Should I use something else such as > Speedstream or D-Link maybe? What DSL modems have worked well for you? I don't have a lot of experience with DSL modems, but the Speedstream I bought from TekSavvy lasted me about two years, and my brother-in-law has been using it at school for about a month now with no complaints. I think it was the 516, or something--it has one port for the phone line and one port for your LAN--and, IIRC, it cost me about $100. Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 01:08:52 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:08:52 -0400 Subject: Stallman's new enemy: the cloud Message-ID: <48E2CDA4.6020100@telly.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just don't get this one. Richard Stallman, recently interviewed, said this about cloud computing: "It's stupidity. It's worse than stupidity: it's a marketing hype campaign" [...] "One reason you should not use web applications to do your computing is that you lose control," he said. "It's just as bad as using a proprietary program. Do your own computing on your own computer with your copy of a freedom-respecting program. If you use a proprietary program or somebody else's web server, you're defenceless. You're putty in the hands of whoever developed that software." Now, I am working with a startup that's creating an online BI service so have an obvious bias. But this sounds even more ludicrous than usual, and is starting to sound like RMS is simply stuck in one computing paradigm and refuses to accept others. There are ways of ensuring, through interoperability and encryption, that one can work with online services that support openness and won't abuse your data. Discounting the whole cloud concept is starting to make Stallman sound like he's defending not only software freedom but also a single -- almost nostalgic -- way to deliver said openness. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richard.stallman Comments? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFI4s2kB6WWYxnsgmwRAshnAJ0f/1ohnqlg+MezRqlLeQcrdUOYjACfWtQS o9Hm1WQXF6D1TPSZ8ZRkgdQ= =ZEro -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 01:22:10 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:22:10 -0400 Subject: OT: DSL Modems In-Reply-To: <7ac602420809301807l6ed203efx33adc84ff631a310-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <0546beb28c1f87b3f6191ba965c49647.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> <7ac602420809301807l6ed203efx33adc84ff631a310@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080930212210.thxy04x68s4k40cw@webmail.utoronto.ca> Quoting Ian Petersen : > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Jason Carson wrote: >> Are GNET modems bad to begin with? Should I use something else such as >> Speedstream or D-Link maybe? What DSL modems have worked well for you? > > I don't have a lot of experience with DSL modems, but the Speedstream > I bought from TekSavvy lasted me about two years, and my > brother-in-law has been using it at school for about a month now with > no complaints. I think it was the 516, or something--it has one port > for the phone line and one port for your LAN--and, IIRC, it cost me > about $100. I have that one as well with Teksavvy and it has been great. I have 2 of the gnet's if you like, the lines in my apartment are too weak to use either of them. Offlist? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 01:13:35 2008 From: jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (John Sellens) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Stallman's new enemy: the cloud Message-ID: <200810010113.m911DZhi001458@gc0.generalconcepts.com> | Richard Stallman, recently interviewed, said this about cloud computing: I concluded, long ago, that Stallman was not interested in technology, he's interested in religion. That way I don't have to expect that anything he says has to make sense; one just has to take it on faith that he is quoting from the gospel. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 05:45:30 2008 From: jason-HjkH5KTEMfuEjziKL+yzSg at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 01:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: DSL Modems In-Reply-To: <7ac602420809301807l6ed203efx33adc84ff631a310-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <0546beb28c1f87b3f6191ba965c49647.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> <7ac602420809301807l6ed203efx33adc84ff631a310@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Jason Carson > wrote: >> Are GNET modems bad to begin with? Should I use something else such as >> Speedstream or D-Link maybe? What DSL modems have worked well for you? > > I don't have a lot of experience with DSL modems, but the Speedstream > I bought from TekSavvy lasted me about two years, and my > brother-in-law has been using it at school for about a month now with > no complaints. I think it was the 516, or something--it has one port > for the phone line and one port for your LAN--and, IIRC, it cost me > about $100. ok, I have been checking out Speedstream modems but there are so many models out there. Is there an official website with all the models currently available so I can compare and decide what to get. > Ian > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 06:10:10 2008 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 02:10:10 -0400 Subject: OT: DSL Modems In-Reply-To: References: <0546beb28c1f87b3f6191ba965c49647.squirrel@jasoncarson.ca> <7ac602420809301807l6ed203efx33adc84ff631a310@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7ac602420809302310n6087aa8aq3a711b56f47b57c8@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:45 AM, Jason Carson wrote: > ok, I have been checking out Speedstream modems but there are so many > models out there. Is there an official website with all the models > currently available so I can compare and decide what to get. Dunno. I got mine from TekSavvy when I first signed up with them. They offered one model with one LAN port and another model with several LAN ports. I already had a multi-port router, so I opted for the cheaper one-port model. Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 12:47:49 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:47:49 -0400 Subject: Stallman's new enemy: the cloud In-Reply-To: <48E2CDA4.6020100-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <48E2CDA4.6020100@telly.org> Message-ID: <20081001124749.GA30856@watson-wilson.ca> Stallman does have a point behind the dogma. There is some risk in trusting a corporation, which some argue behave like sociopaths, with your data. Will they keep it private? Will they discontinue the service and leave you with data in a legacy format? Will they disappear and leave you with nothing? -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 12:29:15 2008 From: phillip.mills1-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:29:15 -0400 Subject: Stallman's new enemy: the cloud In-Reply-To: <48E2CDA4.6020100-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <48E2CDA4.6020100@telly.org> Message-ID: <20081001082915.p6nybt0xwk0c0g04@easymail.pathcom.com> ----- Message from evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org --------- > Richard Stallman, recently interviewed, said this about cloud computing: > > "It's stupidity. It's worse than stupidity: it's a marketing hype > campaign" I think he makes sense, overstated and dogmatic perhaps, but.... I think it's stupid to put anything into "the cloud" that's deemed necessary to a person's or organization's core needs. - I work for a company that uses Google as an e-mail server. Once every two weeks -- for a random selection of network or host reasons -- we don't have e-mail. - I use LiveJournal as a personal resource. From time to time their business model changes, threatening access to the information I've accumulated there. - Recently, WalMart announced they were shutting down DRM servers, thereby stopping people from transferring music (legally) that they bought a year or so ago. These are only inconveniences, but similar decisions/actions by external organizations could be disastrous in a case where they were allowed control of important data. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 13:06:02 2008 From: scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org (Scott C. Ripley) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:06:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Stallman's new enemy: the cloud In-Reply-To: <20081001124749.GA30856-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <48E2CDA4.6020100@telly.org> <20081001124749.GA30856@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: it's important to manage the risk associated with any technology... just as hard-drives do fail and data recovery must be possible, any system leveraging so-called "cloud" (virtualized/distributed/etc.) computing must address scenarios where the cloud becomes unavailable... On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Neil Watson wrote: > Stallman does have a point behind the dogma. There is some risk in > trusting a corporation, which some argue behave like sociopaths, with > your data. Will they keep it private? Will they discontinue the > service and leave you with data in a legacy format? Will they disappear > and leave you with nothing? > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 13:26:24 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:26:24 -0400 Subject: Stallman's new enemy: the cloud In-Reply-To: <20081001124749.GA30856-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <48E2CDA4.6020100@telly.org> <20081001124749.GA30856@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <48E37A80.1000802@telly.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Neil Watson wrote: > Stallman does have a point behind the dogma. There is some risk in > trusting a corporation, which some argue behave like sociopaths, > with your data. Will they keep it private? Will they discontinue > the service and leave you with data in a legacy format? Will they > disappear and leave you with nothing? Your questions are all reasonable, but I can't accept the premise that they can never be answered in an acceptable fashion. There is a difference between complaining the that current implementations are imperfect, and asserting that the model itself is just hype and can _never_ be useful. - - Evan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFI43qAB6WWYxnsgmwRAoOvAJ0YByV2zyfmO4hrTYItq+XIdufzLwCguuGc YyKZZVBsaO7UeM/xrlUxaMw= =t8YV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 13:32:30 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:32:30 -0400 Subject: Stallman's new enemy: the cloud In-Reply-To: <48E37A80.1000802-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <48E2CDA4.6020100@telly.org> <20081001124749.GA30856@watson-wilson.ca> <48E37A80.1000802@telly.org> Message-ID: <20081001133230.GE30856@watson-wilson.ca> On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 09:26:24AM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: >There is a difference between complaining the that current >implementations are imperfect, and asserting that the model itself is >just hype and can _never_ be useful. I did say that there was a point behind the dogma. Remote service based software, which is what the 'cloud' really is, is definitely useful. I use it myself by hosting my own server and accessing from client sites and when on the road. With suitable terms of service agreement I might trust a corporation to host for me but let's be honest. How often are terms of service fair or trustworthy? -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 13:49:15 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:49:15 -0400 Subject: Stallman's new enemy: the cloud In-Reply-To: <20081001133230.GE30856-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <48E2CDA4.6020100@telly.org> <20081001124749.GA30856@watson-wilson.ca> <48E37A80.1000802@telly.org> <20081001133230.GE30856@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <48E37FDB.9090909@telly.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Neil Watson wrote: > Remote service based software, which is what the 'cloud' really is, > is definitely useful. I use it myself by hosting my own server and > accessing from client sites and when on the road. With suitable > terms of service agreement I might trust a corporation to host for > me but let's be honest. How often are terms of service fair or > trustworthy? It likely has to do with the business models. Cloud services which offer no fees have to make their money somewhere, whether from ads or access to customer data. I would expect paid services (such as salesforce.com) to be more trustworthy, since they do not need to depend on data-reuse for revenue sources. - - Evan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFI43/aB6WWYxnsgmwRAtzCAJ4klgEukCEbC+TH0R/m1ICNzpOTHACeMQIS poxL/yMCeYFBuUVls38jBIM= =SuUT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 14:42:00 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Stallman's new enemy: the cloud In-Reply-To: <48E2CDA4.6020100-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <48E2CDA4.6020100@telly.org> Message-ID: OK, there's enough traffic that I'll bite. | From: Evan Leibovitch | I just don't get this one. He's right on at least the purely theoretical level. There are only a few things that you can do with a cloud and still be sure that you haven't leaked information to the provider. If you don't mind leaking information, you are on a different wavelength from me. If you think that you can prevent leaking information, please tell me how. | Richard Stallman, recently interviewed, said this about cloud computing: | | "It's stupidity. It's worse than stupidity: it's a marketing hype | campaign" He explains why he thinks it is stupid for a customer to use these services. This doesn't mean that it is stupid for the provider to offer them :-). The quote does not exactly make clear what Stallman was refering to as "it". Cloud computing surely is marketing hype at the moment. I didn't use the word "just" and neither did the quotation. | [...] | "One reason you should not use web applications to do your computing | is that you lose control," he said. "It's just as bad as using a | proprietary program. Do your own computing on your own computer with | your copy of a freedom-respecting program. If you use a proprietary | program or somebody else's web server, you're defenceless. You're | putty in the hands of whoever developed that software." In security, and in theory in general, one often simplifies situations to binary: either you are secure or you are not. With cloud computing, you do give up various forms of control. When you give up some control, that might be leveraged (in a worst case) to giving up a lot of control. | Now, I am working with a startup that's creating an online BI service | so have an obvious bias. But this sounds even more ludicrous than | usual, and is starting to sound like RMS is simply stuck in one | computing paradigm and refuses to accept others. | | There are ways of ensuring, through interoperability and encryption, | that one can work with online services that support openness and won't | abuse your data. Discounting the whole cloud concept is starting to | make Stallman sound like he's defending not only software freedom but | also a single -- almost nostalgic -- way to deliver said openness. | | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richard.stallman Please explain how, from a privacy standpoint, you can get around the fact that the cloud has my data? If the answer is "by encrypting it before it gets to the cloud", the the cloud can then only be a remote shared disk drive -- it cannot usefully process the data. Not a very interesting or rich paradigm. And even then, traffic analysis could yield significant information about you. (Traffic analysis can be way more effective than one would guess.) Many cloud initiatives present distinct APIs (for lack of a better term). Once you buy into an API, you are likely stuck with that provider. A good partial counter-example is ordinary web servers: there are a bunch of platforms, many of which are provided by several entities. So switching web service providers is do-able (but often not as easy as you would hope). Lock-in gives a lot of leverage to a provider. Isn't that the source of Microsoft's power? Surely, Evan, you know all this. And have known for decades. So you must be thinking along different lines. Instead of asking a question, and apparently expecting a certain answer, perhaps you could explain what you are thinking. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 14:55:25 2008 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:55:25 -0400 Subject: Cloud Computing Conference - Toronto - Feb 11, 2009 Message-ID: Just to note, there is going to be a conference on cloud computing here in Toronto Feb. 11, 2009 run by the same folks who ran the IT360 conference. There will be a 10% discount for GTALug members who are interested in attending (I will forward on more details about this when I get them). A press release on the event can be seen here: itcloudconference.com/pdfs/Cloud-Computing-Conference-Toronto-Announcement.pdf Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 15:01:52 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Stallman's new enemy: the cloud In-Reply-To: <48E37A80.1000802-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <48E2CDA4.6020100@telly.org> <20081001124749.GA30856@watson-wilson.ca> <48E37A80.1000802@telly.org> Message-ID: | From: Evan Leibovitch | Neil Watson wrote: | | > Stallman does have a point behind the dogma. There is some risk in | > trusting a corporation, which some argue behave like sociopaths, | > with your data. Will they keep it private? Will they discontinue | > the service and leave you with data in a legacy format? Will they | > disappear and leave you with nothing? | | Your questions are all reasonable, but I can't accept the premise that | they can never be answered in an acceptable fashion. How would you answer them? | There is a difference between complaining the that current | implementations are imperfect, and asserting that the model itself is | just hype and can _never_ be useful. [I use "evil" in this message as shorthand for acting against the (potential) customer's interests or the interests of the larger society. A monopoly has a higher standard to meet since its users have fewer reasonable alternatives.] Do you know any phone companies that aren't evil? If so, can you be sure they won't turn evil at some point? Some environments shape organizations to be evil. For example, it seems as if monopolies become evil due to the lack of forces to keep them good. (Many think companies become monopolies by being evil; I think that it is mostly the other way around.) Some think that the nature of the construct "corporation" tends to force them to become evil. Think of the documentory "The Corporation". I don't agree, but they do have a point. I think that the cloud model has a "grain" that makes a perfect (by my standards) service hard to imagine. Perfection includes the time dimension: the service has to be stable in its perfection. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 15:31:12 2008 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:31:12 -0400 Subject: Stallman's new enemy: the cloud In-Reply-To: References: <48E2CDA4.6020100@telly.org> Message-ID: D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > OK, there's enough traffic that I'll bite. > > | From: Evan Leibovitch > > > | I just don't get this one. > > He's right on at least the purely theoretical level. > > There are only a few things that you can do with a cloud and still be > sure that you haven't leaked information to the provider. :) There's a crypto technique by Rivest. I forget the official name, but you could call it crypto by signing and flooding. For every document you post, you post a flood of plausible but inaccurate documents. The real document has a valid signature, the bogus documents have bogus signatures. It's awesomely expensive. Both in and of itself, and because for all you know one of the bogus documents could get you arrested. Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 16:01:40 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:01:40 -0400 Subject: Stallman's new enemy: the cloud In-Reply-To: References: <48E2CDA4.6020100@telly.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:42 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > OK, there's enough traffic that I'll bite. > > | From: Evan Leibovitch > > > | I just don't get this one. > > He's right on at least the purely theoretical level. > > There are only a few things that you can do with a cloud and still be > sure that you haven't leaked information to the provider. > > If you don't mind leaking information, you are on a different > wavelength from me. > > If you think that you can prevent leaking information, please tell me > how. I think people are misunderstanding somewhat what RMS is *meaning* by "cloud computing." He's NOT talking about the notion of running virtualized machines out in a cloud (which is what Amazon's ECS thing is about, and which seems to be what "cloud computing" usually seems to refer to). He may be using terminology a little bit badly; what he's wagging his finger at is what is getting assortedly called "web services" and "Web 2.0" and "web mashups" and such like. > | Richard Stallman, recently interviewed, said this about cloud computing: > | > | "It's stupidity. It's worse than stupidity: it's a marketing hype > | campaign" > > He explains why he thinks it is stupid for a customer to use these > services. This doesn't mean that it is stupid for the provider to > offer them :-). The quote does not exactly make clear what Stallman > was refering to as "it". > > Cloud computing surely is marketing hype at the moment. I didn't use > the word "just" and neither did the quotation. > > | [...] > | "One reason you should not use web applications to do your computing > | is that you lose control," he said. "It's just as bad as using a > | proprietary program. Do your own computing on your own computer with > | your copy of a freedom-respecting program. If you use a proprietary > | program or somebody else's web server, you're defenceless. You're > | putty in the hands of whoever developed that software." > > In security, and in theory in general, one often simplifies situations > to binary: either you are secure or you are not. > > With cloud computing, you do give up various forms of control. When > you give up some control, that might be leveraged (in a worst case) to > giving up a lot of control. Control is lost, I agree. Risks must also be accepted by the users, and I believe that: a) Users are not recognizing those risks, and b) Vendors are certainly not keen on pointing out the risks. I'll ignore the privacy side of it, as others are addressing it fairly well. The OTHER issue is that these sorts of systems introduce a considerable risk of unmitigatable data loss. I have some set of data stored on Facebook; if Something Were To Happen, I could very readily lose access to that data, and the shape of the collection might well be of some importance to me. It's a pretty closed system, so I don't have any mitigation I can do. There's no capability to export that information, and there's a fair bit of "evil" to that. LinkedIn collects a fair bit of information about business-style relationships; there is a *limited* export that I can do, to export my connections, but discussion information, profile information, and messaging data all lives hidden from my control. If they turn evil, or turn incompetent, I *can* keep regular dumps of my contact list, but the other data becomes so much "chaff." A third example is "less evil still;" with GMail, I *do* maintain the ability to download all of my email using a POP/IMAP client, so that even should they "become evil", and I lose my access to the account, I still retain copies of all my messages. Google Contacts and Google Calendar have some capabilities for exporting much of their data; it's less clear that other of their services (e.g. - Docs, Reader (RSS)) offer anything meaningfully similar. When you choose to use services like these, you have to accept a set of risks. RMS is clearly unhappy about *any* acceptance of such risks, which is one end to the spectrum. Vendors want you to gleefully accept the risks unthinkingly, which nicely represents an opposite end to the spectrum. You should only *choose* to use such services when you: a) Accept, voluntarily, those risks that are present, and b) Try to mitigate those risks that can be mitigated. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 16:08:24 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:08:24 -0400 Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: <48E10287.40303-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20081001160824.GF32493@watson-wilson.ca> BTW, does the Linux EEEs come with Iptables now? -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 17:19:43 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Stallman's new enemy: the cloud In-Reply-To: References: <48E2CDA4.6020100@telly.org> Message-ID: | From: Mel Wilson | D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > There are only a few things that you can do with a cloud and still be | > sure that you haven't leaked information to the provider. | | :) There's a crypto technique by Rivest. I forget the official name, | but you could call it crypto by signing and flooding. For every document you | post, you post a flood of plausible but inaccurate documents. The real | document has a valid signature, the bogus documents have bogus signatures. | | It's awesomely expensive. Both in and of itself, and because for all you know | one of the bogus documents could get you arrested. Chaff, by analogy with the radar-jamming aluminum strips used by the allies in WWII, I assume. Or maybe just the conventional meaning of chaff (the junk left over when you winnow grain). I don't immediately see how this alters my claim that by using cryptography to prevent leakage, you also prevent interesting processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 17:42:14 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:42:14 -0400 Subject: panic: MySQL tables currupt and can't reload Message-ID: <48E3B676.3000200@telly.org> Hello all. If there are any expects here on mySQL I could use some help. I have a database that reports two tables corrupt when running mysqlcheck. mysql dies if one of a command attempts to write to those tables, though reads are fine (and I have done appropriate dumps of the data). However, if I try to do a reload (or even try to drop the database before recreating) I get mysql crashing. Below is a past of the messages I get when it crashes. I am not a C++ programmer so the stack trace will likely not be of much help to me. Any suggestions are welcomed -- including the best way to nuke the whole database and start over. There is only one database in use and it's backed up OK. - Evan ------------------------------------------------------- InnoDB: Error: trying to access page number 1946337664 in space 0, InnoDB: space name ./ibdata1, InnoDB: which is outside the tablespace bounds. InnoDB: Byte offset 0, len 16384, i/o type 10. InnoDB: If you get this error at mysqld startup, please check that InnoDB: your my.cnf matches the ibdata files that you have in the InnoDB: MySQL server. 081001 13:19:49InnoDB: Assertion failure in thread 1149196624 in file fil0fil.c line 3959 InnoDB: We intentionally generate a memory trap. InnoDB: Submit a detailed bug report to http://bugs.mysql.com. InnoDB: If you get repeated assertion failures or crashes, even InnoDB: immediately after the mysqld startup, there may be InnoDB: corruption in the InnoDB tablespace. Please refer to InnoDB: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/forcing-recovery.html InnoDB: about forcing recovery. 081001 13:19:49 - mysqld got signal 11; This could be because you hit a bug. It is also possible that this binary or one of the libraries it was linked against is corrupt, improperly built, or misconfigured. This error can also be caused by malfunctioning hardware. We will try our best to scrape up some info that will hopefully help diagnose the problem, but since we have already crashed, something is definitely wrong and this may fail. key_buffer_size=16777216 read_buffer_size=131072 max_used_connections=2 max_connections=100 threads_connected=2 It is possible that mysqld could use up to key_buffer_size + (read_buffer_size + sort_buffer_size)*max_connections = 233983 K bytes of memory Hope that's ok; if not, decrease some variables in the equation. thd=0x2424b40 Attempting backtrace. You can use the following information to find out where mysqld died. If you see no messages after this, something went terribly wrong... Cannot determine thread, fp=0x447f4fd0, backtrace may not be correct. Stack range sanity check OK, backtrace follows: (nil) New value of fp=0x2424b40 failed sanity check, terminating stack trace! Please read http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/using-stack-trace.html and follow instructions on how to resolve the stack trace. Resolved stack trace is much more helpful in diagnosing the problem, so please do resolve it -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 18:03:46 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> Message-ID: | From: John Vetterli | Damn you! Now I want one! I've not been shopping for one, but I think that this offer, good until 9:00PM tonight, might be at a good price. Note: this is mail order; the local pickup option is about the same cost as shipping. http://www.esng.ca/productDetail.php?pid=719300034958&isid=8598 This one has the big battery. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 18:11:48 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:11:48 -0400 Subject: panic: MySQL tables currupt and can't reload In-Reply-To: <48E3B676.3000200-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <48E3B676.3000200@telly.org> Message-ID: <20081001181148.GB2410@watson-wilson.ca> Is there anything in the systems logs (dmesg or /var/log/message) to indicate OS errors such as a failing hard drive? -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 18:16:04 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:16:04 -0400 Subject: panic: MySQL tables currupt and can't reload In-Reply-To: <20081001181148.GB2410-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <48E3B676.3000200@telly.org> <20081001181148.GB2410@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <48E3BE63.3010300@telly.org> Neil Watson wrote: > Is there anything in the systems logs (dmesg or /var/log/message) to > indicate OS errors such as a failing hard drive? > It's not the HD or OS related. Many other things on the system are working fine. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 18:20:29 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:20:29 -0400 Subject: panic: MySQL tables currupt and can't reload In-Reply-To: <48E3BE63.3010300-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <48E3B676.3000200@telly.org> <20081001181148.GB2410@watson-wilson.ca> <48E3BE63.3010300@telly.org> Message-ID: <20081001182029.GA2583@watson-wilson.ca> On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 02:16:04PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: >It's not the HD or OS related. Many other things on the system are >working fine. You did not answer the question. Is it not possible that the hard disk sectors involved with this table's files have become bad? -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 19:17:45 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:17:45 -0400 Subject: youtube no sound In-Reply-To: <48DAD1EA.1080101-n/jUll39koHNgV/OU4+dkA@public.gmane.org> References: <48DA3E11.8000108@chrisaitken.net> <48DA400A.7040007@chrisaitken.net> <20080924152656.GA22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48DAD1EA.1080101@chrisaitken.net> Message-ID: <20081001191745.GC22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 07:48:58PM -0400, Mr Chris Aitken wrote: > No (see above) - I can play music through Nuendo (XP) and Totem (linux). Well preventing sound (in linux) can be caused by artsd, esd, some other sound server. And as someone said, flash might use oss and not alsa, which makes it unable to share if something else is using sound. Alsa programs can share, oss can not. > It /is/ rEdiculous. > > /Which/ computer? It's happening simultaneously on an XP and a linux > machine. And what "setup" do XP and ubuntu have in common? Both have broken sound setups in this case? > Well, I guess you're right about the ISP and youtube - I just found out > youtube is playing music on my daughter's ubunut 8.04 machine downstairs... So it can work. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 19:23:33 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:23:33 -0400 Subject: debian and nvidia drivers In-Reply-To: <20080928120008.2842e29d-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20080928120008.2842e29d@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <20081001192333.GD22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:00:08PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > Just got Debian Lenny up and runnning last night, having a few headaches mainly > because I'm just not used to it. > > 1st off, I _did_ see Lennart's howto on installing the NVidia drivers the > 'debian way', and I understand the reasoning for using that method, however I > would like to, if possible, use the latest drivers available from NVidia. You really really really don't want to use the nvidia installer. We do package up the latest stable release from nvidia rather quickly. > I am at the point now where I've got the appropriate headers for my kernel > installed, but when I run the NVidia installer I get a message that the GCC > used to compile my kernel is not the same as the currently installed kernel, > and that the 2.6 kernel will reject modules built with a GCC that doesn't match. > > Anyone else ran into this and/or have any sol'ns for this? Use the debian method, it does the right thing. Of course the nvidia modules are already compiled for the lenny kernel so you just have to install the packages. Unfortunately they are sitting in sid, not lenny, which is getting really frustrating. Not sure what has to happen to get the darn things moved to lenny. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 19:27:55 2008 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:27:55 -0400 Subject: GPS for Eee PC 4G? In-Reply-To: <20080929170852.wfkrxua46c8goso4-lGUHJOqNqQhyLmsWvbx5QJQhnBGJm0FR@public.gmane.org> References: <20080929170852.wfkrxua46c8goso4@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> Message-ID: On 9/29/08, matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org wrote: > Hi all, > > I saw mention of the fact that the GPS unit that comes with Microsoft > Streets and Trips can run under some installs of Linux. Anyone know > if it works with the Xandros install that comes with the Eee PC 4G > model? I'm working on a way to mount both the laptop and a small GPS > on my bike, to help with the Open Street Maps project, but I don't > want to spring for the GPS unless I'm reasonably certain it will work > with the laptop. I can not say with certainty about your hardware. I do know that we are not talking anything fancy or exotic when it comes to interface... Will you be at the next TLUG meeting? If so I could bring my Microsoft GPS along with me for you to test... You will need a copy of the gpsd program (driver program), and a copy of xgps a utility that displays a list of currently visible satellites. If we can get a list to show up on xgps then you're off to the races. Colin. > Cheers! > Matt > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 19:29:56 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:29:56 -0400 Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20081001192956.GE22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 01:26:44PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > The one exception that I know of is the HP Mini-Note (1280x768 8.9"). > But it is expensive (but so is the EEE 1000) and it uses a Via CPU > which people say is too slow. Rather small dots you get at that resolution. > Too many laptops have vents on the bottom. I assume therefore that it isn't > safe to put them on soft surfaces (beds, laps, carpets, couches) or > non-flat surfaces (my messy desk). My new thinkpad has no vents on > the bottom (yay!), does the EEE? I think that most of the netbooks > have vents on the bottom. > > I also hate noisy fans. Just remember to clean the dust out of them every few months and they stay quiet. My wife's laptop was getting stupidly noisy, and I cleaned out the heatsink on the cpu and the CPU temperature dropped 16C and the fan stopped making all that noise. > One great thing about the Dell netbook: no fan! One bad thing about the Dell netbook: It's a Dell. > Battery life is a weak point in this class. The Atom itself is fairly > good as far as power use. Unfortunately, the support chips are power > hungry -- they were designed for earlier CPUs. Intel is coming out > with a new chipset that is better matched to the Atom. They should stop trying to push a desktop chipset with it. It needs a proper low power chipset. > People look for models with 6-cell batteries (the default is 3-cell, > except for the Dell which has a 4-cell battery). Machines with them > seem to be significantly more expensive (about $100). They are surely > heavier and larger. The rumour is that batteries are in short supply > world-wide. The expected recession should fix that. > > Thanks for you notes. Very interesting and useful. (I've been > reading but not trying these netbooks.) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 1 19:31:43 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:31:43 -0400 Subject: Second hand server rack In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef0809291350s73143e07o193c8db3e20a235f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081001193143.GF22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 04:26:44AM +0300, William Muriithi wrote: > It is for a small office. The owner asked for a cost effective way of > organizing servers that are currently spread on the floor. He backed > off from taking a new rack, so I thought I ask here if someone is > looking to dispose one. > > I am also looking around at craigslist just in case I spot something > functional. Also, I will ask him tomorrow if he can entertain the poor > man rack idea. A rack is really only helpful if you have rackmount servers. Normal towers may as well just be put on some random shelves, they generally make very inefficient use of racks. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 01:20:02 2008 From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:20:02 -0400 Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <48E421C2.40808@pppoe.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: John Vetterli > > | Damn you! Now I want one! > > I've not been shopping for one, but I think that this offer, good > until 9:00PM tonight, might be at a good price. Note: this is mail > order; the local pickup option is about the same cost as shipping. > > http://www.esng.ca/productDetail.php?pid=719300034958&isid=8598 > > This one has the big battery. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > Hugh You are amazing with sourcing out deals. I'm not in the market for one, just looking and drooling :-) but I take my hat off to you. Regards Meng -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 01:49:43 2008 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Stallman's new enemy: the cloud In-Reply-To: References: <48E2CDA4.6020100@telly.org> <20081001124749.GA30856@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Scott C. Ripley wrote: > > it's important to manage the risk associated with any technology... > > just as hard-drives do fail and data recovery must be possible, any system > leveraging so-called "cloud" (virtualized/distributed/etc.) computing must > address scenarios where the cloud becomes unavailable... Quite right. If a business risk is that the propriatory application in the cloud may disappear and render the user data useless, the way to address that risk is to avoid using the application in the first place :) I can see where RMS is coming from. My position is that the cloud will be useful in some cases but it would be a mistake for a corporation (or individual) to rely on it for core operations. Rob -- I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 05:36:08 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 01:36:08 -0400 Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: <48E12680.2030304-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> <48E12680.2030304@rogers.com> Message-ID: <32f6a8880810012236l429ef706qf8fa7c7a5a699f60@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I installed kubuntu and ubunto on the 4G/ Version, I suggest buying an 8 gig memory stick and installing ubuntu on it. And use the boot menu to boot off the usb stick its pretty speedy :) On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:03 PM, James Knott wrote: > John Vetterli wrote: >> >> Damn you! Now I want one! > > I recently received an Eee PC 2G/Surf Linux, thanks to RBC. This machine is > somewhat limited, in comparison with the 1000, but I'll have to see about > installing a better distro than the modified Xandros that it came with. > Anyone have any experience with that? > > -- > Use OpenOffice.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The man who is always a newbie at something, Dave Germiquet Everytime I learn something new, I realize I know very little. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 01:42:43 2008 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: panic: MySQL tables currupt and can't reload In-Reply-To: <20081001182029.GA2583-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <48E3B676.3000200@telly.org> <20081001181148.GB2410@watson-wilson.ca> <48E3BE63.3010300@telly.org> <20081001182029.GA2583@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Neil Watson wrote: > On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 02:16:04PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: >> It's not the HD or OS related. Many other things on the system are >> working fine. > > You did not answer the question. Is it not possible that the hard disk > sectors involved with this table's files have become bad? When the DB is dropped the blocks holding the data will be added to the end of the freelist (in MySQL it is only a file afterall). Thus when the DB is recreated it will reside on another part of the disk. Evan, have you tried repairing the table after reloading the DB? This might end up clearing the table but you could then proceed to reload that data. Cheers, Rob -- I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 06:51:24 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 02:51:24 -0400 Subject: panic: MySQL tables currupt and can't reload In-Reply-To: References: <48E3B676.3000200@telly.org> <20081001181148.GB2410@watson-wilson.ca> <48E3BE63.3010300@telly.org> <20081001182029.GA2583@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <48E46F6C.3060101@telly.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Robert Brockway wrote: > Evan, have you tried repairing the table after reloading the DB? > This might end up clearing the table but you could then proceed to > reload that data. So far that's what I've had to do. I had hoped there might have been a tool to rebuild/repair things but no such luck. - - Evan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFI5G9rB6WWYxnsgmwRAvz/AKCozOwKiWcFVoFUjc9Y3mbzlyvUGQCfY8QA uStXzR90kS0Z6i/aJHDb+qU= =e5Hr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 12:56:16 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:56:16 -0400 Subject: Stallman's new enemy: the cloud In-Reply-To: References: <48E2CDA4.6020100@telly.org> <20081001124749.GA30856@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20081002125616.GA11366@watson-wilson.ca> On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 09:49:43PM -0400, Robert Brockway wrote: > Quite right. If a business risk is that the propriatory application in > the cloud may disappear and render the user data useless, the way to > address that risk is to avoid using the application in the first place :) From reading Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars triology I always invisioned the cloud as public infrastructure and also that one could host their own node. Thus if the cloud goes off line you still have your copy that could be synced up later. -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 13:24:53 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:24:53 -0400 Subject: Stallman's new enemy: the cloud In-Reply-To: <20081002125616.GA11366-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <48E2CDA4.6020100@telly.org> <20081001124749.GA30856@watson-wilson.ca> <20081002125616.GA11366@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Neil Watson wrote: > On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 09:49:43PM -0400, Robert Brockway wrote: >> >> Quite right. If a business risk is that the propriatory application in >> the cloud may disappear and render the user data useless, the way to >> address that risk is to avoid using the application in the first place :) > > From reading Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars triology I always invisioned > the cloud as public infrastructure and also that one could host their > own node. Thus if the cloud goes off line you still have your copy that > could be synced up later. There's a variance in terminology here... I don't believe RMS is indicating "generic computing infrastructure" in his description. He appears to be describing the use of applications "in the cloud," not the infrastructure that implements them. I think that he prefers not to use terms like "web 2.0" (which is more or less an O'Reilly-based term). If Google Maps goes off line, for instance, you DON'T have a copy to "sync up later." -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 13:39:20 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:39:20 +0300 Subject: nmap and port scanning reliability Message-ID: Hi pals, A couple of weeks ago, I set up an application that uses port 1194. It worked well and then all of a sudden stopped working. I spent sometime looking at what went wrong and I could not find anything on the software side. So I looked at the connection and I am now a little lost. The router is configured to allow port 1194, but if I scan the IP for open ports, all ports are apparently. I am not sure its nmap that is giving erroneous information, but something do not make sense. Here is what I get when I scan for the open port. [root at william]# nmap -P0 149.99.4x.16x Starting Nmap 4.11 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2008-10-02 00:26 EAT All 1680 scanned ports on Z-a2-1-0-386-S1.tls3.tor1.rogerstelecom.net (149.99.49.166) are filtered (1124) or closed (556) Nmap finished: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 8684.741 seconds [root at william]# nmap -sU -v 149.99.4x.16x Starting Nmap 4.11 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2008-10-02 00:36 EAT Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -P0 Nmap finished: 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 2.054 seconds Raw packets sent: 4 (136B) | Rcvd: 0 (0B) Now, can I reliably assume nmap is reporting the correct info and go ahead pulling away the router? Is there any chance Rogers could have blocked port 1194? Advice. Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 14:03:44 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:03:44 -0400 Subject: nmap and port scanning reliability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > [root at william]# nmap -P0 149.99.4x.16x That way it scans for these typical ports only that it "knows" about that they may be used. To scan for a specific port or port range one must specify them on command line, for instance: nmap -P0 149.99.4x.16x -p100-1000 zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 14:52:19 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:52:19 -0400 Subject: nmap and port scanning reliability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E4E023.7080102@rogers.com> William Muriithi wrote: > Hi pals, > > A couple of weeks ago, I set up an application that uses port 1194. It > worked well and then all of a sudden stopped working. I spent sometime > looking at what went wrong and I could not find anything on the > software side. Port 1194? Would that by chance be OpenVPN? If so, you're likely using UDP, so you'll have to use a UDP port scan. Also, be aware that UDP ports don't respond the same way as TCP. A non responding UDP port appears exactly the same as one that quietly drops the packets. If your firewall is configured in stealth mode, this is also what will happen. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 14:59:08 2008 From: matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Matt Middleton) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:59:08 -0400 Subject: GPS for Eee PC 4G? In-Reply-To: References: <20080929170852.wfkrxua46c8goso4@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> Message-ID: <20081002105908.0h8w0nfa68wgoksg@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> I'm planning on attending - thanks very much, I'll be sure to get gpsd and xgps going on my laptop. Quoting Colin McGregor : > On 9/29/08, matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I saw mention of the fact that the GPS unit that comes with Microsoft >> Streets and Trips can run under some installs of Linux. Anyone know >> if it works with the Xandros install that comes with the Eee PC 4G >> model? I'm working on a way to mount both the laptop and a small GPS >> on my bike, to help with the Open Street Maps project, but I don't >> want to spring for the GPS unless I'm reasonably certain it will work >> with the laptop. > > I can not say with certainty about your hardware. I do know that we > are not talking anything fancy or exotic when it comes to interface... > Will you be at the next TLUG meeting? If so I could bring my Microsoft > GPS along with me for you to test... > > You will need a copy of the gpsd program (driver program), and a copy > of xgps a utility that displays a list of currently visible > satellites. If we can get a list to show up on xgps then you're off to > the races. > > Colin. > >> Cheers! >> Matt >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 15:04:56 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:04:56 -0400 Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880810012236l429ef706qf8fa7c7a5a699f60-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> <48E12680.2030304@rogers.com> <32f6a8880810012236l429ef706qf8fa7c7a5a699f60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E4E318.3080003@rogers.com> Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi, > > I installed kubuntu and ubunto on the 4G/ Version, I suggest buying an > 8 gig memory stick and installing ubuntu on it. While I have a couple of 4 GB pen drives, I wonder if the SD-RAM cards can be used? I'd much rather use that, then have a USB drive sticking out. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 15:06:01 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:06:01 +0300 Subject: nmap and port scanning reliability In-Reply-To: <48E4E023.7080102-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <48E4E023.7080102@rogers.com> Message-ID: Hi > Port 1194? Would that by chance be OpenVPN? If so, you're likely using > UDP, so you'll have to use a UDP port scan. Also, be aware that UDP ports > don't respond the same way as TCP. A non responding UDP port appears > exactly the same as one that quietly drops the packets. If your firewall is > configured in stealth mode, this is also what will happen. Yeah, its openvpn. I am using the flag for upd scan so I hope that should not be be a big problem. Koziol, thank you. Did help. I always used to assume it scan for every port. Now this is how it responds [root at william kihara]# nmap -sU -v 149.99.4x.16x -p1190-1196 Starting Nmap 4.11 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2008-10-02 10:58 EAT DNS resolution of 1 IPs took 0.12s. Initiating UDP Scan against Z-a2-1-0-386-S1.tls3.tor1.rogerstelecom.net (149.99.49.166) [7 ports] at 10:58 The UDP Scan took 1.21s to scan 7 total ports. Host Z-a2-1-0-386-S1.tls3.tor1.rogerstelecom.net (149.99.49.166) appears to be up ... good. Interesting ports on Z-a2-1-0-386-S1.tls3.tor1.rogerstelecom.net (149.99.49.166): PORT STATE SERVICE 1190/udp closed unknown 1191/udp closed unknown 1192/udp closed unknown 1193/udp closed unknown 1194/udp open|filtered unknown 1195/udp closed unknown 1196/udp closed unknown Nmap finished: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 1.902 seconds Raw packets sent: 10 (292B) | Rcvd: 7 (382B) Thank you man William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 15:11:55 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:11:55 +0300 Subject: Second hand server rack In-Reply-To: <20081001193143.GF22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0809291350s73143e07o193c8db3e20a235f@mail.gmail.com> <20081001193143.GF22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Hi, > A rack is really only helpful if you have rackmount servers. Normal > towers may as well just be put on some random shelves, they generally > make very inefficient use of racks. We did go with the poor man rack as Aviss and Sorensen suggested. Thanks for taking my train of thought toward that direction. I think I need to start thinking outside the box more often. Regards, William > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 15:38:51 2008 From: maynarda-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: <48E4E318.3080003-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> <48E12680.2030304@rogers.com> <32f6a8880810012236l429ef706qf8fa7c7a5a699f60@mail.gmail.com> <48E4E318.3080003@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, James Knott wrote: > Dave Germiquet wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I installed kubuntu and ubunto on the 4G/ Version, I suggest buying an >> 8 gig memory stick and installing ubuntu on it. > > While I have a couple of 4 GB pen drives, I wonder if the SD-RAM cards can be > used? I'd much rather use that, then have a USB drive sticking out. The ASUS Eee I have (maybe a different/older model) has an SD card slot. I installed ubuntu on the 4GB hard-drive (including only absolutely necessary applications) and put all the data on the SD card. I think newer models may have more hard drive and a bit larger screen (mine wastes possible screen space on speakers). > > > -- > Use OpenOffice.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 15:38:41 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:38:41 -0400 Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> <48E12680.2030304@rogers.com> <32f6a8880810012236l429ef706qf8fa7c7a5a699f60@mail.gmail.com> <48E4E318.3080003@rogers.com> Message-ID: <48E4EB01.209@rogers.com> Alex Maynard wrote: > > > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, James Knott wrote: > >> Dave Germiquet wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I installed kubuntu and ubunto on the 4G/ Version, I suggest buying an >>> 8 gig memory stick and installing ubuntu on it. >> >> While I have a couple of 4 GB pen drives, I wonder if the SD-RAM cards >> can be used? I'd much rather use that, then have a USB drive sticking >> out. > > The ASUS Eee I have (maybe a different/older model) has an SD card slot. Mine has an SD slot too. I was just wondering if it can be bootable. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 16:52:42 2008 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:52:42 -0400 Subject: Second hand server rack In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0809291350s73143e07o193c8db3e20a235f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0809291350s73143e07o193c8db3e20a235f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004e01c924af$4b46aed0$e1d40c70$@com> Can you provide more details? I just got my home wired for cat 5 (rather cheap but well done job) and I am looking for a rack. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Tyler > Aviss > Sent: September 29, 2008 4:50 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Second hand server rack > > For home or office use? > > One of my co-workers mentioned setting up a "poor man's rack" with > certain storage/shelf units from Ikea. Apparently some of them are > just the right size for installing the server brackets. > > Not really a good idea for office use, but possibly suitable for home > use. > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:54 AM, William Muriithi > wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I know someone who is looking for a cheap server rack. Would you know > > anybody who is disposing a rack currently? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > William > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > > > > > -- > Tyler Aviss > Systems Support > LPIC/LPIC-2 > (647) 302-0942 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 18:53:05 2008 From: matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Matt Middleton) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:53:05 -0400 Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> <48E12680.2030304@rogers.com> <32f6a8880810012236l429ef706qf8fa7c7a5a699f60@mail.gmail.com> <48E4E318.3080003@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20081002145305.i7v7nnrhwc4ksok4@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> I believe it is possible to get the Eee PC to boot from the SD card. I'd suggest checking out wiki.eeeuser.com, as they've got a lot of walkthroughs for "non-standard" procedures. Quoting Alex Maynard : > > > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, James Knott wrote: > >> Dave Germiquet wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I installed kubuntu and ubunto on the 4G/ Version, I suggest buying an >>> 8 gig memory stick and installing ubuntu on it. >> >> While I have a couple of 4 GB pen drives, I wonder if the SD-RAM >> cards can be used? I'd much rather use that, then have a USB drive >> sticking out. > > The ASUS Eee I have (maybe a different/older model) has an SD card slot. > > I installed ubuntu on the 4GB hard-drive (including only absolutely > necessary applications) and put all the data on the SD card. I think > newer models may have more hard drive and a bit larger screen (mine > wastes possible screen space on speakers). > >> >> >> -- >> Use OpenOffice.org >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 18:57:20 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:57:20 -0400 Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: <48E4EB01.209-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> <48E12680.2030304@rogers.com> <32f6a8880810012236l429ef706qf8fa7c7a5a699f60@mail.gmail.com> <48E4E318.3080003@rogers.com> <48E4EB01.209@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20081002185720.GA16801@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 11:38:41AM -0400, James Knott wrote: >>>> I installed kubuntu and ubunto on the 4G/ Version, I suggest buying an >>>> 8 gig memory stick and installing ubuntu on it. >>> >>> While I have a couple of 4 GB pen drives, I wonder if the SD-RAM >>> cards can be used? I'd much rather use that, then have a USB drive >>> sticking out. >> >> The ASUS Eee I have (maybe a different/older model) has an SD card slot. > > Mine has an SD slot too. I was just wondering if it can be bootable. Yes. At least, I have just booted Ubuntu from it on the 2G. It was a little weird, in that I had to change the boot order, but also the HD order in the BIOS. I suspect that I'll end up with Debian on it (I just got mine from the RBC promotion), so if there is anything strange with that install I'll inform the list. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 19:00:21 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:00:21 -0400 Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: <20081002185720.GA16801-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> <48E12680.2030304@rogers.com> <32f6a8880810012236l429ef706qf8fa7c7a5a699f60@mail.gmail.com> <48E4E318.3080003@rogers.com> <48E4EB01.209@rogers.com> <20081002185720.GA16801@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20081002190021.GA15320@watson-wilson.ca> On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 02:57:20PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >order in the BIOS. I suspect that I'll end up with Debian on it (I just >got mine from the RBC promotion), so if there is anything strange with >that install I'll inform the list. I'd like to stick with Debian when I get mine. Will the wifi card work with Debian? -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 19:16:23 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:16:23 -0400 Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: <20081002190021.GA15320-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> <48E12680.2030304@rogers.com> <32f6a8880810012236l429ef706qf8fa7c7a5a699f60@mail.gmail.com> <48E4E318.3080003@rogers.com> <48E4EB01.209@rogers.com> <20081002185720.GA16801@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20081002190021.GA15320@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <48E51E07.9050207@alteeve.com> Neil Watson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 02:57:20PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >> order in the BIOS. I suspect that I'll end up with Debian on it (I just >> got mine from the RBC promotion), so if there is anything strange with >> that install I'll inform the list. > > I'd like to stick with Debian when I get mine. Will the wifi card work > with Debian? > Short answer: yes. Long answer: You will need to work at it. Out of the box, the wired and wireless network adapters don't work. You will need to download the source and compile the drivers. This means you will also need all the usual build packages and kernel source, so it's best to download and install using the Debian DVD. Keep a memory card handy. Once you've got the network up, there will be some smaller issues like getting the Fn key combos working properly which will require some bash scripts, though they're out there so it's mostly just copy/paste. The camera may or may not work right away. It did for me, but Ubuntu uses a new kernel. The trick here is that the PC 1000H uses "bleeding edge" hardware (the Intel Atom CPU and associated chipset) and Debian is proudly behind the times. I have no doubt you can get it to work, but be ready to get to know your new machine quite well in the interim. Madi PS - If you do, please keep notes and post a wiki! If you don't have a wiki of your own, you are certainly more than welcome to use mine (link to my in-progress Ubuntu wiki is in the OP). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 19:22:54 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:22:54 -0400 Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: <48E51E07.9050207-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> <48E12680.2030304@rogers.com> <32f6a8880810012236l429ef706qf8fa7c7a5a699f60@mail.gmail.com> <48E4E318.3080003@rogers.com> <48E4EB01.209@rogers.com> <20081002185720.GA16801@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20081002190021.GA15320@watson-wilson.ca> <48E51E07.9050207@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20081002192254.GB15320@watson-wilson.ca> Madi, You've scared me off of it now ;). I think there is a custom distro just for the eee, perhaps based on Ubuntu. I'll give that whirl. I still post how I got on. I was thining about encrypting the 'drive' with Truecrypt. -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 19:41:29 2008 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:41:29 -0400 Subject: GPS for Eee PC 4G? In-Reply-To: <20081002105908.0h8w0nfa68wgoksg-lGUHJOqNqQhyLmsWvbx5QJQhnBGJm0FR@public.gmane.org> References: <20080929170852.wfkrxua46c8goso4@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> <20081002105908.0h8w0nfa68wgoksg@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> Message-ID: On 10/2/08, Matt Middleton wrote: > I'm planning on attending - thanks very much, I'll be sure to get gpsd > and xgps going on my laptop. No problem. Do drop me a note 1-2 days before the meeting to remind me about this. If anyone else would like to double check and see if their laptop will work with the Microsoft GPS let me know so we can try to work that in as part of the meeting (also, be sure to install the gpsd and xgps programs on your laptop in advance...). Colin McGregor > Quoting Colin McGregor : > >> On 9/29/08, matt-oC+CK0giAiYdmIl+iVs3AywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I saw mention of the fact that the GPS unit that comes with Microsoft >>> Streets and Trips can run under some installs of Linux. Anyone know >>> if it works with the Xandros install that comes with the Eee PC 4G >>> model? I'm working on a way to mount both the laptop and a small GPS >>> on my bike, to help with the Open Street Maps project, but I don't >>> want to spring for the GPS unless I'm reasonably certain it will work >>> with the laptop. >> >> I can not say with certainty about your hardware. I do know that we >> are not talking anything fancy or exotic when it comes to interface... >> Will you be at the next TLUG meeting? If so I could bring my Microsoft >> GPS along with me for you to test... >> >> You will need a copy of the gpsd program (driver program), and a copy >> of xgps a utility that displays a list of currently visible >> satellites. If we can get a list to show up on xgps then you're off to >> the races. >> >> Colin. >> >>> Cheers! >>> Matt >>> >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >>> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 2 22:03:00 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:03:00 -0400 Subject: panic: MySQL tables currupt and can't reload In-Reply-To: <48E46F6C.3060101-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <48E3B676.3000200@telly.org> <20081001181148.GB2410@watson-wilson.ca> <48E3BE63.3010300@telly.org> <20081001182029.GA2583@watson-wilson.ca> <48E46F6C.3060101@telly.org> Message-ID: <32f6a8880810021503h6580c0b6vdb25851e6aafe89c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Evan, Are they ISAM tables or INNODB tables? (4.1 or 5.0) InnoDB tables you usually put in recovery mode and do a mysqldump to get all the data, then reinitialize the database. MyISAM you can run a program myisamchk -o -f table.MYI and it will fix your tables with full. Anyway, thats what i've always done. On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:51 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Robert Brockway wrote: > >> Evan, have you tried repairing the table after reloading the DB? >> This might end up clearing the table but you could then proceed to >> reload that data. > > So far that's what I've had to do. I had hoped there might have been a > tool to rebuild/repair things but no such luck. > > - - Evan > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFI5G9rB6WWYxnsgmwRAvz/AKCozOwKiWcFVoFUjc9Y3mbzlyvUGQCfY8QA > uStXzR90kS0Z6i/aJHDb+qU= > =e5Hr > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The man who is always a newbie at something, Dave Germiquet Everytime I learn something new, I realize I know very little. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 3 09:52:17 2008 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 05:52:17 -0400 Subject: ASUS Eee PC 1000H In-Reply-To: <48E4E318.3080003-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>; from james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org on Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 11:04:56 -0400 References: <48E0F713.2090904@alteeve.com> <20080929155108.GJ869@watson-wilson.ca> <48E10287.40303@alteeve.com> <48E12680.2030304@rogers.com> <32f6a8880810012236l429ef706qf8fa7c7a5a699f60@mail.gmail.com> <48E4E318.3080003@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20081003095217.GA1945@localhost> On Thu Oct 02,2008 11:04:56 AM James Knott wrote: > While I have a couple of 4 GB pen drives, I wonder if the SD-RAM > cards can be used? I'd much rather use that, then have a USB drive > sticking out. Why would you want to put your O/S on an SD-RAM card, then also have a USB drive sticking out? Having the USB drive attached would seem to be unnecessary. ;-) -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 3 16:47:03 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:47:03 -0400 Subject: Second hand server rack In-Reply-To: <004e01c924af$4b46aed0$e1d40c70$@com> References: <3a97ef0809291350s73143e07o193c8db3e20a235f@mail.gmail.com> <004e01c924af$4b46aed0$e1d40c70$@com> Message-ID: <3a97ef0810030947n6652277nbb7ca75dff06d573@mail.gmail.com> You'd have to ask William what he went with specifically, but it seems that Ikea likes to build a lot of their cabinet/shelving units to a rather specific size, which just also happens to have just the right internal dimensions to support most rackmount servers :-) On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Can you provide more details? I just got my home wired for cat 5 (rather > cheap but well done job) and I am looking for a rack. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Tyler >> Aviss >> Sent: September 29, 2008 4:50 PM >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Second hand server rack >> >> For home or office use? >> >> One of my co-workers mentioned setting up a "poor man's rack" with >> certain storage/shelf units from Ikea. Apparently some of them are >> just the right size for installing the server brackets. >> >> Not really a good idea for office use, but possibly suitable for home >> use. >> >> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:54 AM, William Muriithi >> wrote: >> > Hi there, >> > >> > I know someone who is looking for a cheap server rack. Would you know >> > anybody who is disposing a rack currently? >> > >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > William >> > -- >> > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Tyler Aviss >> Systems Support >> LPIC/LPIC-2 >> (647) 302-0942 >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 3 16:54:21 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:54:21 -0400 Subject: Second hand server rack In-Reply-To: <3a97ef0810030947n6652277nbb7ca75dff06d573-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0809291350s73143e07o193c8db3e20a235f@mail.gmail.com> <004e01c924af$4b46aed0$e1d40c70$@com> <3a97ef0810030947n6652277nbb7ca75dff06d573@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E64E3D.5060306@rogers.com> Tyler Aviss wrote: > You'd have to ask William what he went with specifically, but it seems > that Ikea likes to build a lot of their cabinet/shelving units to a > rather specific size, which just also happens to have just the right > internal dimensions to support most rackmount servers :-) My concern would be the inevitable sagging that will occur with the shelves. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 3 17:45:46 2008 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: nmap and port scanning reliability In-Reply-To: References: <48E4E023.7080102@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, William Muriithi wrote: > Yeah, its openvpn. I am using the flag for upd scan so I hope that > should not be be a big problem. Koziol, thank you. Did help. I always > used to assume it scan for every port. Now this is how it responds James said pretty much what I was going to say. I'll just followup by saying that there is a lot of OpenVPN experience on this list so feel free to raise the OpenVPN problems as well. Cheers, Rob -- I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Oct 4 03:03:40 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:03:40 +0300 Subject: Second hand server rack In-Reply-To: <48E64E3D.5060306-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <3a97ef0809291350s73143e07o193c8db3e20a235f@mail.gmail.com> <004e01c924af$4b46aed0$e1d40c70$@com> <3a97ef0810030947n6652277nbb7ca75dff06d573@mail.gmail.com> <48E64E3D.5060306@rogers.com> Message-ID: Mohammed, Apology for taking rather long to respond. I was kind of short of time the last two days and kept postponing it. I really had no ill intention. >> You'd have to ask William what he went with specifically, but it seems >> that Ikea likes to build a lot of their cabinet/shelving units to a >> rather specific size, which just also happens to have just the right >> internal dimensions to support most rackmount servers :-) > > My concern would be the inevitable sagging that will occur with the shelves. Now, we went for garage shelf for lack of a better name. I am not even sure that is the precise name. What we did was take the measurement of those towers and dash out to a local furniture shop and picked up something that looked appropriate. And its not sagging so far even after loading 7 towers on it. I think if you do not buy a very wide shelf, and something firm enough, it will be okay. By the way, the shop owner of that business liked that idea a lot. The shelf looks like this. http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/catalog/products/S49824326 William > > -- > Use OpenOffice.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Oct 4 11:55:17 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:55:17 -0400 Subject: Second hand server rack In-Reply-To: References: <3a97ef0809291350s73143e07o193c8db3e20a235f@mail.gmail.com> <004e01c924af$4b46aed0$e1d40c70$@com> <3a97ef0810030947n6652277nbb7ca75dff06d573@mail.gmail.com> <48E64E3D.5060306@rogers.com> Message-ID: <48E759A5.5010005@rogers.com> William Muriithi wrote: > Mohammed, > > Apology for taking rather long to respond. I was kind of short of time > the last two days and kept postponing it. I really had no ill > intention. > > > >>> You'd have to ask William what he went with specifically, but it seems >>> that Ikea likes to build a lot of their cabinet/shelving units to a >>> rather specific size, which just also happens to have just the right >>> internal dimensions to support most rackmount servers :-) >>> >> My concern would be the inevitable sagging that will occur with the shelves. >> > > Now, we went for garage shelf for lack of a better name. I am not even > sure that is the precise name. What we did was take the measurement of > those towers and dash out to a local furniture shop and picked up > something that looked appropriate. And its not sagging so far even > after loading 7 towers on it. I think if you do not buy a very wide > shelf, and something firm enough, it will be okay. > > By the way, the shop owner of that business liked that idea a lot. > > The shelf looks like this. > > http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/catalog/products/S49824326 > > William > > I have seen that type of shelf and the problem remains. If you put enough of a load on any shelf, it will eventually sag or even collapse. Servers tend to be heavy. There are stronger shelves available, but I doubt you'll find them at Ikea. I would never put servers on a shelf that's not designed for the weight. Take a look at racks that are designed for holding servers and compare them with regular racks and you'll see they're built much stronger and have rear rails, which regular racks normally don't. The reason for all that is the weight of servers. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Oct 4 14:06:24 2008 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:06:24 -0400 Subject: ubuntu intrepid: "failed to initialize hal" Message-ID: <1223129184.7070.35.camel@localhost> hi folks, i just upgraded my thinkpad x31 to intrepid & am getting this error when i log in (after gdm): internal error: failed to initialize hal! in syslog and messages i see a number of errors that suggest neither hal nor dbus is running, and a bunch of other stuff therefore won't work -- for instance, neither of my network interfaces is found, and network manager won't come up, so i can't get access to the machine remotely (thus no log attached). i don't know that much about either hal or dbus. i did try restarting the dbus service but my harddrive just ends up spinning infinitely & things slow down to the point of unusability. any troubleshooting hints from the list? i'd certainly appreciate the help... thanks, matt -- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 5 16:47:08 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:47:08 +0300 Subject: nmap and port scanning reliability In-Reply-To: References: <48E4E023.7080102@rogers.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert, > James said pretty much what I was going to say. I'll just followup by > saying that there is a lot of OpenVPN experience on this list so feel free > to raise the OpenVPN problems as well. Thank you for the offer to help. I did manage to find the problem with openvpn. There was a change in the firewall. After identifying that change, I just made a corresponding change on openvpn and was back up again. Now, the openvpn is running on a openVZ server. I can get in and do stuff on some containers there, but their networking is not working at all. Well, may be because I am a little nervous of making a change that would make the whole server unreachable. Its a remote server and I may not find time to dash there this week. The openvpn is running in a routed mode, not bridged. I therefore have a feeling that if I use veth, I will lose connectivity. How would one play with venet without loosing the server? I guess caution is what is getting in my way here. Regards, William > I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 6 01:46:43 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:46:43 -0400 Subject: Flash on Debian Lenny Message-ID: <20081005214643.4bffb62a@teksavvy.com> Hey, I'm not sure I understand how Flash works on Debian Lenny. I've tried installing Flash with the Adobe installer and the Debian package from non-free, but when I try to view videos on Youtube, it appears that what I'm getting is the Mozilla plugin that's installed with Gnome (swfdec-mozilla?). When I right click on a video, it doesn't show me the Flash menu, it shows the Gnome-style GTK menu. The video will not play, though it appears to start loading it never goes beyond the first frame, as though it's just showing a thumbnail or something (?). I am not allowed for some reason to remove the swfdec packages without removing all of Gnome. It seems to me kind of silly to make the entire Gnome desktop dependant on Flash functionality, no? If anyone can give me any suggestions, it would be much appreciated, this is my main stumbling block right now. Otherwise, so far Debian totally rocks. I even have Spore running! :-) -- sig not functioning -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 6 03:01:19 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 23:01:19 -0400 Subject: debian and nvidia drivers In-Reply-To: <20081001192333.GD22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080928120008.2842e29d@teksavvy.com> <20081001192333.GD22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20081005230119.23f369c3@teksavvy.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:00:08PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > > Just got Debian Lenny up and runnning last night, having a few headaches > > mainly because I'm just not used to it. > > > > 1st off, I _did_ see Lennart's howto on installing the NVidia drivers the > > 'debian way', and I understand the reasoning for using that method, however > > I would like to, if possible, use the latest drivers available from > > NVidia. > > You really really really don't want to use the nvidia installer. We do > package up the latest stable release from nvidia rather quickly. > > > I am at the point now where I've got the appropriate headers for my kernel > > installed, but when I run the NVidia installer I get a message that the GCC > > used to compile my kernel is not the same as the currently installed kernel, > > and that the 2.6 kernel will reject modules built with a GCC that doesn't > > match. > > > > Anyone else ran into this and/or have any sol'ns for this? > > Use the debian method, it does the right thing. I got the nvidia drivers working using the installer, though I must say the performance is not what I experienced before on the same machine. > Of course the nvidia modules are already compiled for the lenny kernel > so you just have to install the packages. Okay, from what I read from the various howtos it looked a lot more complicated. I'll definitely try the packages then, but... > Unfortunately they are sitting in sid, not lenny, which is getting really > frustrating. Not sure what has to happen to get the darn things moved to > lenny. Is that why I did not see them in the software installer? I have non-free enabled, but didn't see any nvidia packages. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 6 03:12:28 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 23:12:28 -0400 Subject: Flash on Debian Lenny In-Reply-To: <20081005214643.4bffb62a-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20081005214643.4bffb62a@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <20081006031228.GA17907@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 09:46:43PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > >I'm not sure I understand how Flash works on Debian Lenny. I've tried >installing Flash with the Adobe installer and the Debian package from non-free, >but when I try to view videos on Youtube, it appears that what I'm getting is >the Mozilla plugin that's installed with Gnome (swfdec-mozilla?). When I right >click on a video, it doesn't show me the Flash menu, it shows the Gnome-style >GTK menu. The video will not play, though it appears to start loading it never >goes beyond the first frame, as though it's just showing a thumbnail or >something (?). I think what you need to do is to go to Tools -> Add-ons -> plugins, and disable the offending plugin. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 6 03:31:49 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 23:31:49 -0400 Subject: Flash on Debian Lenny In-Reply-To: <20081006031228.GA17907-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20081005214643.4bffb62a@teksavvy.com> <20081006031228.GA17907@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20081005233149.771b8597@teksavvy.com> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 09:46:43PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > > > >I'm not sure I understand how Flash works on Debian Lenny. I've tried > >installing Flash with the Adobe installer and the Debian package from > >non-free, but when I try to view videos on Youtube, it appears that what I'm > >getting is the Mozilla plugin that's installed with Gnome (swfdec-mozilla?). > >When I right click on a video, it doesn't show me the Flash menu, it shows > >the Gnome-style GTK menu. The video will not play, though it appears to > >start loading it never goes beyond the first frame, as though it's just > >showing a thumbnail or something (?). > > I think what you need to do is to go to Tools -> Add-ons -> plugins, and > disable the offending plugin. Didn't have that in my browser menu, turns out I was using Epiphany...no wonder ;) Anyhow, I went and grabbed Firefox and ran that, that's resolved it. Thank you! -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 6 13:14:16 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:14:16 -0400 Subject: debian and nvidia drivers In-Reply-To: <20081005230119.23f369c3-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20080928120008.2842e29d@teksavvy.com> <20081001192333.GD22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20081005230119.23f369c3@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <20081006131416.GG22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 11:01:19PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > I got the nvidia drivers working using the installer, though I must say the > performance is not what I experienced before on the same machine. Probably means it isn't installed correctly. > Okay, from what I read from the various howtos it looked a lot more > complicated. I'll definitely try the packages then, but... It isn't complicated, and it doesn't break on upgrades the way the nvidia installer's mess tends to. > Is that why I did not see them in the software installer? I have non-free > enabled, but didn't see any nvidia packages. Yeah they simply aren't in lenny yet, even though they are built for lenny. If you temporarily add unstable to your sources and install just the nvidia packages, it should work, then you can remove unstable from the sources again, or you could setup apt's pinning to favour lenny and then leave unstable there for selective installs. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 6 14:32:18 2008 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:32:18 -0400 Subject: nolapro license ???? Message-ID: <491f66a50810060732p63cb51bavc82d8e35c47d8dfc@mail.gmail.com> The latest linux journal has an article about nolapro; a great looking web based accounting package. Now apparently this is not opensource, but free. Since it's php they do provide the source implicitly. However they have a much more restrictive license than the GPL. So I'm no expert on the GPL but since they are using GPL modules, don't they have to license this with the GPL ? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 6 15:08:18 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:08:18 -0400 Subject: nolapro license ???? In-Reply-To: <491f66a50810060732p63cb51bavc82d8e35c47d8dfc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <491f66a50810060732p63cb51bavc82d8e35c47d8dfc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EA29E2.1090303@alteeve.com> Dave Cramer wrote: > The latest linux journal has an article about nolapro; a great looking > web based accounting package. > > Now apparently this is not opensource, but free. Since it's php they do > provide the source implicitly. However they have a much more restrictive > license than the GPL. > > So I'm no expert on the GPL but since they are using GPL modules, don't > they have to license this with the GPL ? > > Dave As I understand it, and IANAL, you can use GPL'ed modules with a non GPL program fine. It's only a problem if you take the code from the modules and use them directly in non-GPL'ed code. Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 6 15:15:59 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:15:59 -0400 Subject: nolapro license ???? In-Reply-To: <491f66a50810060732p63cb51bavc82d8e35c47d8dfc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <491f66a50810060732p63cb51bavc82d8e35c47d8dfc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081006151559.GH22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 10:32:18AM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > The latest linux journal has an article about nolapro; a great looking web > based accounting package. > > Now apparently this is not opensource, but free. Since it's php they do > provide the source implicitly. However they have a much more restrictive > license than the GPL. > > So I'm no expert on the GPL but since they are using GPL modules, don't they > have to license this with the GPL ? Why does it appear that nolapro doesn't support multi currency? Without that it is nearly unusable in places like canada, where it is very hard to avoid having to also at least deal in us currency. As for the license, I have no idea what they are doing there. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 6 15:19:56 2008 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:19:56 -0400 Subject: nolapro license ???? In-Reply-To: <48EA29E2.1090303-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <491f66a50810060732p63cb51bavc82d8e35c47d8dfc@mail.gmail.com> <48EA29E2.1090303@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1C184D83-12BD-4569-8EAC-1D280A8F208D@visibleassets.com> Well, They have built a product on top of GPL'd code, much like linksys, etc. They used linux as the basis of the product. This product is based on top of mysql and a number of other GPL technologies, osCommerce for one. Dave On 6-Oct-08, at 11:08 AM, Madison Kelly wrote: > Dave Cramer wrote: >> The latest linux journal has an article about nolapro; a great >> looking web based accounting package. >> Now apparently this is not opensource, but free. Since it's php >> they do provide the source implicitly. However they have a much >> more restrictive license than the GPL. >> So I'm no expert on the GPL but since they are using GPL modules, >> don't they have to license this with the GPL ? >> Dave > > As I understand it, and IANAL, you can use GPL'ed modules with a non > GPL program fine. It's only a problem if you take the code from the > modules and use them directly in non-GPL'ed code. > > Madi > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 6 15:21:47 2008 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:21:47 -0400 Subject: nolapro license ???? In-Reply-To: <20081006151559.GH22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <491f66a50810060732p63cb51bavc82d8e35c47d8dfc@mail.gmail.com> <20081006151559.GH22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <57F12BF3-10F1-4C37-A9C3-F2BB305DDCA0@visibleassets.com> On 6-Oct-08, at 11:15 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 10:32:18AM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: >> The latest linux journal has an article about nolapro; a great >> looking web >> based accounting package. >> >> Now apparently this is not opensource, but free. Since it's php >> they do >> provide the source implicitly. However they have a much more >> restrictive >> license than the GPL. >> >> So I'm no expert on the GPL but since they are using GPL modules, >> don't they >> have to license this with the GPL ? > > Why does it appear that nolapro doesn't support multi currency? > Without > that it is nearly unusable in places like canada, where it is very > hard > to avoid having to also at least deal in us currency. > They're american, they only have one currency. (At the moment anyway) > As for the license, I have no idea what they are doing there. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 6 15:31:32 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:31:32 -0400 Subject: Small job for LAMP developer Message-ID: <20081006153132.GA26910@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> My wife has a small project which requires a database and a web interface. If you are a LAMP developer and have some time, she'd be interested in talking to you. You don't even really need to be an expert in the L or A, just have the ability to produce a web interface and a small database, and accept cheques :-) This is a fairly simple job that I could do with just one clone, but I'm swamped, so I put it to the list :-) -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 6 15:40:45 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:40:45 -0400 Subject: Querying Palm contacts Message-ID: <20081006154045.GA7560@watson-wilson.ca> I've been going through some Palm and Linux references in order to be able to query my Palm address book. I use Jpilot without issue. There is a tool called lbdb that is supposed to query the Palm files stored by jpilot. I am under the impression that there are two forms of Palm address books. The current version is the contacts database. The obsolete form is the address database. I think that lbdb and it's supporting Perl modules are looking for the address database. Both palms that I have used (Z22 and Treo 650) use the contacts database. How can I query the contacts database? -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 6 16:41:31 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:41:31 -0400 Subject: Querying Palm contacts In-Reply-To: <20081006154045.GA7560-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20081006154045.GA7560@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Neil Watson wrote: > I've been going through some Palm and Linux references in order to be > able to query my Palm address book. I use Jpilot without issue. There > is a tool called lbdb that is supposed to query the Palm files stored by > jpilot. > I am under the impression that there are two forms of Palm address > books. The current version is the contacts database. The obsolete form > is the address database. I think that lbdb and it's supporting Perl > modules are looking for the address database. Both palms that I have > used (Z22 and Treo 650) use the contacts database. How can I query the > contacts database? Well, there's a Perl module, PDB, which reads and writes .pdb and .prc files. http://search.cpan.org/~arensb/p5-Palm-1.2.4/Palm/PDB.pm It is used, in term, by Palm::Address: http://search.cpan.org/~arensb/p5-Palm-1.2.4/Palm/Address.pm I have used that to pull data from my Palm. I have a script that used to populate an LDAP database with all my Palm data. Haven't used it in a while; I could send you a copy if you like. Vis-a-vis the two databases, here's some comments on the matter that seem pretty relevant: http://lists.pilot-link.org/pipermail/pilot-link-devel/2005-July/001437.html -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 6 17:55:23 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:55:23 -0400 Subject: nolapro license ???? In-Reply-To: <57F12BF3-10F1-4C37-A9C3-F2BB305DDCA0-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <491f66a50810060732p63cb51bavc82d8e35c47d8dfc@mail.gmail.com> <20081006151559.GH22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <57F12BF3-10F1-4C37-A9C3-F2BB305DDCA0@visibleassets.com> Message-ID: <20081006175523.GI22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 11:21:47AM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: > They're american, they only have one currency. (At the moment anyway) It's incredibly short sighted to not start out adding support, since retrofitting it later is a nightmare. Large portions of an accounting system needs to be designed with multicurrency in mind. And even americans might deal with euros, yens or even canadian dollars. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 6 18:07:25 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:07:25 -0400 Subject: Querying Palm contacts In-Reply-To: References: <20081006154045.GA7560@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20081006180725.GA11079@watson-wilson.ca> It seems that the perl modules (e.g. Palm::Address) were last updated in 2002. The improved Palm address book AKA Contacts came afterwards. -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 8 14:59:10 2008 From: tjaviss-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Tyler Aviss) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:59:10 -0400 Subject: Small job for LAMP developer In-Reply-To: <20081006153132.GA26910-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20081006153132.GA26910@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <3a97ef0810080759n345645a1mae45cfa74bb7ff6@mail.gmail.com> Can you provide any extra info on the type of project this is for? On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:31 AM, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > My wife has a small project which requires a database and a web > interface. If you are a LAMP developer and have some time, she'd be > interested in talking to you. > > You don't even really need to be an expert in the L or A, just have the > ability to produce a web interface and a small database, and accept > cheques :-) > > This is a fairly simple job that I could do with just one clone, but I'm > swamped, so I put it to the list :-) > -- > > yours, > > William > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFI6i9UHQtmiuz+KT8RAh4jAJ9fnoD8HrzDbMlOCK1DcOjOBeXNLwCfbGSc > xvj1dacUaAl1ATIJvZ8Bmbo= > =nYoi > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- Tyler Aviss Systems Support LPIC/LPIC-2 (647) 302-0942 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 10 01:37:34 2008 From: gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Giles Orr) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:37:34 -0400 Subject: NTFS write access under Debian lenny Message-ID: <1f13df280810091837y2df80768nfd51b7f528794d7c@mail.gmail.com> I bought an external USB HD today, dumped some unimportant data onto the 500GB NTFS volume at work, and brought it home. My other external HDs are one small vfat, and three larger ext3 volumes. I decided it would be nice if I could have one that was NTFS and would work with my friend's computers (most of them are still on Windows). So I just plugged it in and typed "mount /dev/sdf1 /mnt/comstar/" as root, and then mount shows "/dev/sdf1 on /mnt/comstar type ntfs (rw)" - unfortunately, it's lying because I can't write to that volume although it reads fine. And honestly, I'm confused about _how_ it's mounting it at all because there are at least two and perhaps three different NTFS projects. I don't seem to have NTFS-3G installed, and the "fuse" module hasn't been loaded into the kernel so what's Debian using? Captive? And why can't I write to the volume? Google searches tell me how to fix my problem ... but they all seem to be starting from no NTFS access at all so I want to know where I'm standing before I start tinkering. Thanks. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 10 13:27:42 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:27:42 -0400 Subject: NTFS write access under Debian lenny In-Reply-To: <1f13df280810091837y2df80768nfd51b7f528794d7c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280810091837y2df80768nfd51b7f528794d7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081010132742.GJ22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 09:37:34PM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > I bought an external USB HD today, dumped some unimportant data onto > the 500GB NTFS volume at work, and brought it home. My other external > HDs are one small vfat, and three larger ext3 volumes. I decided it > would be nice if I could have one that was NTFS and would work with my > friend's computers (most of them are still on Windows). So I just > plugged it in and typed "mount /dev/sdf1 /mnt/comstar/" as root, and > then mount shows "/dev/sdf1 on /mnt/comstar type ntfs (rw)" - > unfortunately, it's lying because I can't write to that volume > although it reads fine. And honestly, I'm confused about _how_ it's > mounting it at all because there are at least two and perhaps three > different NTFS projects. I don't seem to have NTFS-3G installed, and > the "fuse" module hasn't been loaded into the kernel so what's Debian > using? Captive? And why can't I write to the volume? Google > searches tell me how to fix my problem ... but they all seem to be > starting from no NTFS access at all so I want to know where I'm > standing before I start tinkering. Thanks. The kernel has had ntfs read support for years. It only does read since doing writes to an undocumented and very complex filesystem just isn't a good idea. Some of the other projects use the actual driver from windows which of course has no issue with lack of documentation. If you want a driver that will work with windows users and linux for read/write, you use fat32 (mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sdf1). Linux has no problem creating that, while windows won't let you if it is over 32GB because someone at microsoft is an idiot that claims to know better than their users. Windows has no problem using the larger fat32 driver since it is a perfectly valid filesystem. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 10 15:18:55 2008 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:18:55 -0400 Subject: Partitioning on RHEL Message-ID: <49e826e90810100818g61a8bae8wf80acc3158e9aa98@mail.gmail.com> Hello I have a requirement to setup a Dell server with RHEL 5 and Oracle. The server has six hard disks configured as RAID 1. The server has 8GB of physical RAM. The disk size of each RAID 1 is 139GB I am recommending the following partition sizes and swap size. / 10GB /boot 100-500MB /var 2GB /opt 2GB swap 10GB I have calculated swap size using the following formula: Upto 2GB RAM ----> double the swap size ---> 4GB Add the remaining 6GB for a total swap size of 10GB Just need confirmation if this is an adequate partitioning scheme for an Oracle database server running on Linux. Thank you in advance. Asaf Maruf -- "I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." - Richard P. Feynman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 10 15:36:55 2008 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:36:55 -0400 Subject: Partitioning on RHEL In-Reply-To: <49e826e90810100818g61a8bae8wf80acc3158e9aa98-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <49e826e90810100818g61a8bae8wf80acc3158e9aa98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49e826e90810100836u168b04e2w2a11b55f1e2b81ec@mail.gmail.com> Hello all I found this formula on Redhat site for calculating swap size. "Swap space can be a dedicated swap partition (recommended), a swap file, or a combination of swap partitions and swap files. Swap should equal 2x physical RAM for up to 2 GB of physical RAM, and then an additional 1x physical RAM for any amount above 2 GB, but never less than 32 MB. So, if: M = Amount of RAM in GB, and S = Amount of swap in GB, then If M < 2 S = M *2 Else S = M + 2 Using this formula, a system with 2 GB of physical RAM would have 4 GB of swap, while one with 3 GB of physical RAM would have 5 GB of swap. Creating a large swap space partition can be especially helpful if you plan to upgrade your RAM at a later time." This confirms my calculation as well. Asaf On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Asaf Maruf wrote: > Hello > > I have a requirement to setup a Dell server with RHEL 5 and Oracle. The > server has six hard disks configured as RAID 1. > > The server has 8GB of physical RAM. The disk size of each RAID 1 is 139GB > > I am recommending the following partition sizes and swap size. > > / 10GB > /boot 100-500MB > /var 2GB > /opt 2GB > swap 10GB > > > I have calculated swap size using the following formula: > > Upto 2GB RAM ----> double the swap size ---> 4GB > Add the remaining 6GB for a total swap size of 10GB > > > Just need confirmation if this is an adequate partitioning scheme for an > Oracle database server running on Linux. > > > Thank you in advance. > > > Asaf Maruf > > > > -- > "I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much > more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be > wrong." - Richard P. Feynman > -- "I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." - Richard P. Feynman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 10 16:42:11 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:42:11 -0400 Subject: Partitioning on RHEL In-Reply-To: <49e826e90810100818g61a8bae8wf80acc3158e9aa98-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <49e826e90810100818g61a8bae8wf80acc3158e9aa98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081010164211.GK22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:18:55AM -0400, Asaf Maruf wrote: > I have a requirement to setup a Dell server with RHEL 5 and Oracle. The > server has six hard disks configured as RAID 1. > > The server has 8GB of physical RAM. The disk size of each RAID 1 is 139GB > > I am recommending the following partition sizes and swap size. > > / 10GB Pretty small if /usr is part of it. > /boot 100-500MB > /var 2GB Some databases store their data in /var. > /opt 2GB > swap 10GB And the rest goes where? Are you combining the raid1s in any way (LVM for example)? > I have calculated swap size using the following formula: > > Upto 2GB RAM ----> double the swap size ---> 4GB > Add the remaining 6GB for a total swap size of 10GB > > > Just need confirmation if this is an adequate partitioning scheme for an > Oracle database server running on Linux. Probably depends entirely on how much data you have. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 10 16:44:10 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:44:10 -0400 Subject: Partitioning on RHEL In-Reply-To: <49e826e90810100836u168b04e2w2a11b55f1e2b81ec-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <49e826e90810100818g61a8bae8wf80acc3158e9aa98@mail.gmail.com> <49e826e90810100836u168b04e2w2a11b55f1e2b81ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081010164410.GL22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:36:55AM -0400, Asaf Maruf wrote: > I found this formula on Redhat site for calculating swap size. > > "Swap space can be a dedicated swap partition (recommended), a swap file, or > a combination of swap partitions and swap files. > > Swap should equal 2x physical RAM for up to 2 GB of physical RAM, and then > an additional 1x physical RAM for any amount above 2 GB, but never less than > 32 MB. > > So, if: > > M = Amount of RAM in GB, and S = Amount of swap in GB, then > > If M < 2 > S = M *2 > Else > S = M + 2 > > Using this formula, a system with 2 GB of physical RAM would have 4 GB of > swap, while one with 3 GB of physical RAM would have 5 GB of swap. Creating > a large swap space partition can be especially helpful if you plan to > upgrade your RAM at a later time." > > This confirms my calculation as well. Really, if you have lots of disk space, then who really cares. With the cost of ram these days, any workload that regularly uses any swap simply needs mroe ram. I tend to put between 1 and 2 times my ram amount as swap, just because well disk space is cheap. I don't expect to ever use any of that swap space. Save some time and just do 2x ram if you want. If you ever add ram, don't worry about increasing swap, since you shouldn't use swap anyhow. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Oct 11 03:46:49 2008 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:46:49 -0400 Subject: NTFS write access under Debian lenny In-Reply-To: <20081010132742.GJ22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1f13df280810091837y2df80768nfd51b7f528794d7c@mail.gmail.com> <20081010132742.GJ22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <047e01c92b53$fe5a23d0$fb0e6b70$@com> http://www.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en#is_ntfs_better_than_fat_fat32 http://www.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en#how_safe_is_the_ntfs_driver FYI, the FS is documented but it has to be licensed. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Lennart > Sorensen > Sent: October 10, 2008 9:28 AM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: NTFS write access under Debian lenny > > On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 09:37:34PM -0400, Giles Orr wrote: > > I bought an external USB HD today, dumped some unimportant data onto > > the 500GB NTFS volume at work, and brought it home. My other > external > > HDs are one small vfat, and three larger ext3 volumes. I decided it > > would be nice if I could have one that was NTFS and would work with > my > > friend's computers (most of them are still on Windows). So I just > > plugged it in and typed "mount /dev/sdf1 /mnt/comstar/" as root, and > > then mount shows "/dev/sdf1 on /mnt/comstar type ntfs (rw)" - > > unfortunately, it's lying because I can't write to that volume > > although it reads fine. And honestly, I'm confused about _how_ it's > > mounting it at all because there are at least two and perhaps three > > different NTFS projects. I don't seem to have NTFS-3G installed, and > > the "fuse" module hasn't been loaded into the kernel so what's Debian > > using? Captive? And why can't I write to the volume? Google > > searches tell me how to fix my problem ... but they all seem to be > > starting from no NTFS access at all so I want to know where I'm > > standing before I start tinkering. Thanks. > > The kernel has had ntfs read support for years. It only does read > since > doing writes to an undocumented and very complex filesystem just isn't > a > good idea. > > Some of the other projects use the actual driver from windows which of > course has no issue with lack of documentation. > > If you want a driver that will work with windows users and linux for > read/write, you use fat32 (mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sdf1). Linux has no > problem creating that, while windows won't let you if it is over 32GB > because someone at microsoft is an idiot that claims to know better > than > their users. Windows has no problem using the larger fat32 driver > since > it is a perfectly valid filesystem. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Oct 11 06:07:27 2008 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:07:27 -0400 Subject: Partitioning on RHEL In-Reply-To: <49e826e90810100818g61a8bae8wf80acc3158e9aa98-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <49e826e90810100818g61a8bae8wf80acc3158e9aa98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <048b01c92b67$a41d9dc0$ec58d940$@com> My 2c 1. If you have six hard disks, consider raid 1+0. (especially on a db server) 2. If you have an instance where you need to page 10gb of memory to disk, it probably means you have other, bigger issues. i.e what value does a 10gb swap partition/file give you? That 2xRAM theory was created 10-12 years ago when we had 8-32MB RAM on a system. 3. Swap files are as of 2.6 as fast as swap partitions and they can be moved around. 4. Are you running the x64 edition of RHEL? From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Asaf Maruf Sent: October 10, 2008 11:19 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Partitioning on RHEL Hello I have a requirement to setup a Dell server with RHEL 5 and Oracle. The server has six hard disks configured as RAID 1. The server has 8GB of physical RAM. The disk size of each RAID 1 is 139GB I am recommending the following partition sizes and swap size. /????????????????????????????? 10GB /boot??????????????????????? 100-500MB /var?????????????????????????? 2GB /opt???????????????????????? ? 2GB swap???????????????????????? 10GB I have calculated swap size using the following formula: Upto 2GB RAM ----> double the swap size? ---> 4GB Add the remaining 6GB for a total swap size of 10GB Just need confirmation if this is an adequate partitioning scheme for an Oracle database server running on Linux. Thank you in advance. Asaf Maruf -- "I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." - Richard P. Feynman -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Oct 11 15:52:10 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Partitioning on RHEL In-Reply-To: <048b01c92b67$a41d9dc0$ec58d940$@com> References: <49e826e90810100818g61a8bae8wf80acc3158e9aa98@mail.gmail.com> <048b01c92b67$a41d9dc0$ec58d940$@com> Message-ID: | From: Ansar Mohammed | 2. If you have an instance where you need to page 10gb of memory to disk, it | probably means you have other, bigger issues. i.e what value does a 10gb | swap partition/file give you? That 2xRAM theory was created 10-12 years ago | when we had 8-32MB RAM on a system. At *least* 20 years ago. I think suspend to disk (hibernate?) stuffs a RAM image onto the swap. So I deduce that swap needs to be at least slightly bigger than physical RAM. (In the days of APM rather than ACPI, hibernate was done by the BIOS and the BIOS needed dedicated disk space for this purpose.) I don't know any logic for coming up with the 2x rule of thumb. But it seems to have been good enough to live by for a long time. | 3. Swap files are as of 2.6 as fast as swap partitions and they can be moved | around. For what it is worth, I like swap partitions: - if you have multiple OS installations on the machine, they can all share the swap partition. Sharing file-systems doesn't always work (I've been bitten by FS labelling done by SELINUX). (I admit that old-style swap partitions and new style ones cannot be shared. I bumped into that when installing a 10 year old distro, but who else does that? Besides, old style ones were limited to 128M.) An important special case: swap partitions are useful for live CDs - I like backing up partitions (even if I do it too rarely). I don't like swap files mixed in. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Oct 11 17:12:34 2008 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:12:34 -0400 Subject: Open Street Map Party and other bits... Message-ID: For those on this list who have not heard of Open Street Map, it is a project to create a geographic database free of any government and/or corporate entanglements. In other words a wiki style atlas where any/everybody can go in to add / update geographic data. The project main page can be seen here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/ There is an Open Street Map party being planned for Toronto on October 26. Bring a laptop and/or a GPS receiver to the party. Details to be seen here: wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Canada:Ontario:Toronto On the above web page there is a note asking people to sign up via www.meetup.com and/or upcoming.yahoo.com. I have not been able to locate the sign-up page for meetup.com, and the upcoming site lists the event as being in North York (my first searches were on Toronto, which turned up nothing). For those wanting to sign-up in advance go to the following page: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/1190490/ Recently I tossed a bunch of article ideas out to the editor of a Linux oriented publication I have written for (and been published by) in the past. Of the ideas I tossed out the only one the editor went for was "An Introduction to Open Street Map". So, over the next 2 months I need to pull together 2,500 words of newbee material (not a real issue :-) ). Now, I have been offered a short term loan of a portable battery powered GPS. But I am still on the lookout for a portable GPS that I can run independent of my laptop (currently the only GPS I have is a unit that came with a copy of Microsoft's "Streets and Trips 2006" (yes in the last two months I have bought a Microsoft software package, only to toss the software, and keep the electronics that came with the software :-) ) ). So, anyone have suggestions as to an Open Street Map usable battery powered GPS that is as inexpensive as possible? Thanks. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Oct 11 17:14:18 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:14:18 -0400 Subject: smoothwall installation issue Message-ID: Hi pals, Got a small issue here. Have googled seriously without finding a solution and have decided to throw it out there. I have a new Dell Vostro 200 and I want to install smoothwall express 3.0 "polar"on it. Before the purchase, I had looked around and it looks like supported. It arrived yesterday and it looks like I that is not actually correct. The installation start up well. However, just after the welcome message, it fails with a message "No harddisk found". Of course there is a sata hard disk in there, a Hitachi HDS721616PLA. Now, is there like a boot flag I can use to go around this error? Or is there anything I can do other than shipping the hardware back? Thanks in advance. Regards, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Oct 11 18:52:16 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:52:16 -0400 Subject: smoothwall installation issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, > I have a new Dell Vostro 200 and I want to install smoothwall express > 3.0 "polar"on it. Before the purchase, I had looked around and it > looks like supported. It arrived yesterday and it looks like I that is > not actually correct. Odd, the model number is apparently DCSLF. When I type that in google, I get the feeling this is actually not a vostro 200, but a vostro 1000. The odd thing is, on the receipt, the product is itemized as Vostro 200, Slim Tower Intel Celeron CPU 440 (2.00GHz, 800 FSB). Isn't this like a valid reason for shipping it back? This is not what I ordered. Regards William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Oct 11 20:00:18 2008 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:00:18 -0400 Subject: smoothwall installation issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F105D2.2000104@rogers.com> William Muriithi wrote: > Odd, the model number is apparently DCSLF. When I type that in google, > I get the feeling this is actually not a vostro 200, but a vostro > 1000. The odd thing is, on the receipt, the product is itemized as > Vostro 200, Slim Tower Intel Celeron CPU 440 (2.00GHz, 800 FSB). Isn't > this like a valid reason for shipping it back? This is not what I > ordered. > According to the Dell.ca website, the Vostro 1000 is an AMD Turion based laptop. I checked further and the only place 'DCSLF' is referenced is the selection of the proper regulatory data sheet for your version of the Dell Vostro 200. HTH John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jthiele-bux5bdj6uGJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Oct 11 20:36:59 2008 From: jthiele-bux5bdj6uGJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Jon Thiele) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:36:59 -0400 Subject: smoothwall installation issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8AE2F97767AF480EB8F3AE4903F95C91@plex20> Go here: http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/index.aspx?~ck=ln&c=ca&l=en&lnki=0 &s=gen Type in your tag number and it will tell you exactly what you have, what the system came with etc. etc. -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of William Muriithi Sent: 11-Oct-08 2:52 PM To: TLUG mailing list Subject: Re: [TLUG]: smoothwall installation issue Hi, > I have a new Dell Vostro 200 and I want to install smoothwall express > 3.0 "polar"on it. Before the purchase, I had looked around and it > looks like supported. It arrived yesterday and it looks like I that is > not actually correct. Odd, the model number is apparently DCSLF. When I type that in google, I get the feeling this is actually not a vostro 200, but a vostro 1000. The odd thing is, on the receipt, the product is itemized as Vostro 200, Slim Tower Intel Celeron CPU 440 (2.00GHz, 800 FSB). Isn't this like a valid reason for shipping it back? This is not what I ordered. Regards William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 13 03:29:01 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:29:01 +0300 Subject: smoothwall installation issue In-Reply-To: <8AE2F97767AF480EB8F3AE4903F95C91@plex20> References: <8AE2F97767AF480EB8F3AE4903F95C91@plex20> Message-ID: McGregor & Thiele, > Type in your tag number and it will tell you exactly what you have, what the > system came with etc. etc. I did type in the tag number and yes its a 200. Something must have however changed in this hardware. Before ordering it, I did the necessary diligence and arrived it the decision its supported. However, on arrival, that is no longer the case, as passing all the kernel parameters I could think of do not help. I am guessing they changed the SATA chipset. Now, would anybody know of a store that carry ethernet NIC based on Intel based chipset? I looked around and all I could find was D-links. Or any card in this list? https://support.smoothwall.net/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=printable&kbarticleid=277 Thanks in advance William > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of William > Muriithi > Sent: 11-Oct-08 2:52 PM > To: TLUG mailing list > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: smoothwall installation issue > > Hi, > >> I have a new Dell Vostro 200 and I want to install smoothwall express >> 3.0 "polar"on it. Before the purchase, I had looked around and it >> looks like supported. It arrived yesterday and it looks like I that is >> not actually correct. > > Odd, the model number is apparently DCSLF. When I type that in google, > I get the feeling this is actually not a vostro 200, but a vostro > 1000. The odd thing is, on the receipt, the product is itemized as > Vostro 200, Slim Tower Intel Celeron CPU 440 (2.00GHz, 800 FSB). Isn't > this like a valid reason for shipping it back? This is not what I > ordered. > > Regards > > William > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 13 16:07:34 2008 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:07:34 -0400 Subject: Election Day TLUG meeting Message-ID: <48F37246.1080407@linuxcaffe.ca> Oh you lucky geeks ! You get to vote TWICE in one day ! Once for the party to lead this magnificent country, and once to (re)elect the boardmembers who will represent you in super-sekrit high-level wine-swilling TLUG board meetings. After the meeting/ vote, there will be a semi-technical gathering at the UofT GSU pub, where BS will be swapped, politics will be discussed and beer will be consumed. don't miss it, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 13 16:39:34 2008 From: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ken O. Burtch) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:39:34 -0400 Subject: LoneCoder: Is Linux Ready for the Future? Message-ID: <1223915974.4331.30.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Some random musings this month in my column. KB "?I had to go back to old school Linux principles. Deducing "nm" meant "Network Manager", I had to hunt around confusing Fedora Project website, find the Fedora file mirror, and manually downloaded the latest updates for the Network Manager and installed them them with "rpm -Uvh Net*". Once I got the network back up, the Red Hat package updater wouldn't download any packages, saying there was a conflict. So using "yum check-update" and "yum upgrade" on the command line, I installed over eighty pending software updates...all without any conflicts. How is the average Linux user supposed to figure this out?..." "...?This problem of desktop migration is one of the main issues holding back the Linux desktop. What good is the greatest 3D effects (Compiz Wikipedia), OS X-like features (Apple, Avant) and clever applications (gDesklets Wikipedia) if they break every six months? But as companies like Red Hat have said, the desktop environment is not their business goal...even though we all use one, even Red Hat employees..." ? http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder/coder_october_2008.html -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone/Fax: 905-562-0848 "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org "Perl Phrasebook" Blog: http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 14 14:34:28 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:34:28 -0400 Subject: smoothwall installation issue In-Reply-To: References: <8AE2F97767AF480EB8F3AE4903F95C91@plex20> Message-ID: <20081014143428.GM22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 06:29:01AM +0300, William Muriithi wrote: > I did type in the tag number and yes its a 200. Something must have > however changed in this hardware. Before ordering it, I did the > necessary diligence and arrived it the decision its supported. > However, on arrival, that is no longer the case, as passing all the > kernel parameters I could think of do not help. I am guessing they > changed the SATA chipset. As far as I know, Dell is perfectly willing to keep a model but change some hardware inside. After all dlink and linksys and such do it all the time. smoothwall certainly lists the vostro 200, but when did they test it? Which version of 200 was it? If it doesn't detect any disks, then either you are using a much too old version of smoothwall with an old kernel, or the chipset was changed to a new version that needs an even newer kernel (if one exists for it yet) or possible a bios setting has to be changed (although Dell rarely provides those needed settings on their systems). > Now, would anybody know of a store that carry ethernet NIC based on > Intel based chipset? I looked around and all I could find was D-links. > Or any card in this list? > https://support.smoothwall.net/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=printable&kbarticleid=277 I believe that the Dlink gigabit cards are sysconnect gigabit based, although there are even multiple versions of that chip too (which I believe all work with current linux kernels). Of course you never know when they change chips in their cards either. After looking over the smoothwall website, I think I very much dislike them. I don't like artificial limits added to existing linux code just so someone can charge more money to remove those limits. Besides couldn't you change the code and recompile to elliminate a lot of those limits? It doesn't make sense to me. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jeffrey-QHMu0FvBzZVeoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 14 14:59:01 2008 From: jeffrey-QHMu0FvBzZVeoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (Jeffrey Borg) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:59:01 -0400 Subject: new to Toronto Message-ID: <48F4B3B5.1040408@borgs.net> Good Morning all, I am from Australia (Just north of Sydney) and was interested in attending your meeting tonight. Is the information on the website correct as to the location of the meeting http://tlug.ss.org/wiki/Meetings:2008-10 Thanks -- Regards Jeffrey Borg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 14 20:06:31 2008 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:06:31 -0400 Subject: Open Street Map Party and other bits... In-Reply-To: <20081014131426.6cp5bd0vkokog40c-lGUHJOqNqQhyLmsWvbx5QJQhnBGJm0FR@public.gmane.org> References: <20081014131426.6cp5bd0vkokog40c@www.matthewmiddleton.ca> Message-ID: On 10/14/08, Matt Middleton wrote: > Hi Colin, > > I won't be able to make it for the TLUG meeting tonight after all, but > thanks very much for offering to let me test my laptop with your GPS > unit. I'm going to try and make it for the mapping party, so > hopefully I'll get a chance to test my laptop with a similar unit there. Well, I will bring my GPS with me to tonight's GTALug meeting should anyone else want to test their laptop against the Microsoft GPS receiver. Just bring along your laptop, plus make sure the following programs are installed: - gpsd - GPS receiver driver program. - xgps - GPS display program that shows list of currently visible GPS satelites, current lat./lon., etc.. Good quick test to make sure gpsd is working. Colin McGregor > Thanks again! > Matt > > Quoting Colin McGregor : > >> For those on this list who have not heard of Open Street Map, it is a >> project to create a geographic database free of any government and/or >> corporate entanglements. In other words a wiki style atlas where >> any/everybody can go in to add / update geographic data. The project >> main page can be seen here: >> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/ >> >> There is an Open Street Map party being planned for Toronto on October >> 26. Bring a laptop and/or a GPS receiver to the party. Details to be >> seen here: >> >> wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Canada:Ontario:Toronto >> >> On the above web page there is a note asking people to sign up via >> www.meetup.com and/or upcoming.yahoo.com. I have not been able to >> locate the sign-up page for meetup.com, and the upcoming site lists >> the event as being in North York (my first searches were on Toronto, >> which turned up nothing). For those wanting to sign-up in advance go >> to the following page: >> >> http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/1190490/ >> >> Recently I tossed a bunch of article ideas out to the editor of a >> Linux oriented publication I have written for (and been published by) >> in the past. Of the ideas I tossed out the only one the editor went >> for was "An Introduction to Open Street Map". So, over the next 2 >> months I need to pull together 2,500 words of newbee material (not a >> real issue :-) ). Now, I have been offered a short term loan of a >> portable battery powered GPS. But I am still on the lookout for a >> portable GPS that I can run independent of my laptop (currently the >> only GPS I have is a unit that came with a copy of Microsoft's >> "Streets and Trips 2006" (yes in the last two months I have bought a >> Microsoft software package, only to toss the software, and keep the >> electronics that came with the software :-) ) ). >> >> So, anyone have suggestions as to an Open Street Map usable battery >> powered GPS that is as inexpensive as possible? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Colin McGregor >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 15 06:20:23 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:20:23 -0400 Subject: Debian Lenny and release dates Message-ID: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> Saw this article just now: http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=3312 Not really concerned that 'Debian is in trouble', but I am curious about how the releases work. If I am running Lenny, and want to maintain a system that always has relatively up to date software (not necessarily bleeding edge), what is the process to follow when Lenny finally is finally released? Is that a 'dist-upgrade', or is that only for going, say, from Lenny to Sid? Sorry if I sound thick, but I've been doing clean installs of Mandriva releases every year or so for a long time, having trouble wrapping my head around this new scheme. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 15 13:05:47 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:05:47 -0400 Subject: smoothwall installation issue In-Reply-To: <20081014143428.GM22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <8AE2F97767AF480EB8F3AE4903F95C91@plex20> <20081014143428.GM22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Sorensen, > As far as I know, Dell is perfectly willing to keep a model but change > some hardware inside. After all dlink and linksys and such do it all > the time. smoothwall certainly lists the vostro 200, but when did they > test it? Which version of 200 was it? Good questions. I don't have a good answers for them though. I assume those details were released immediately after the current smoothwall version. > > If it doesn't detect any disks, then either you are using a much too old > version of smoothwall with an old kernel, or the chipset was changed to > a new version that needs an even newer kernel (if one exists for it yet) > or possible a bios setting has to be changed (although Dell rarely > provides those needed settings on their systems). I am using the current and latest release. It has to be the later, some chipset changed. I played with the BIOS extensively actually and nothing helped. > After looking over the smoothwall website, I think I very much dislike > them. I don't like artificial limits added to existing linux code just > so someone can charge more money to remove those limits. Besides > couldn't you change the code and recompile to elliminate a lot of those > limits? It doesn't make sense to me. Totally agree. I do not also like it because of its limitation. See, I could easily install CentOS 5 on vostro 200 and everything worked well without any input from me. That mean all the necessary drivers and such are on 2.6.18 So why make it this limiting? who knows. They claim its for security. I am doing it for someone, so I had to work with it. I highlighted the other alternatives to him, but he preferred smoothwall due to ease of management, you use browser only. Doing otherwise is like a Window user asking for help and I start suggesting Linux. Not going to have good relationship after that. > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 15 13:46:03 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:46:03 -0400 Subject: Debian Lenny and release dates In-Reply-To: <20081015022023.28240209-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 02:20:23AM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > > Saw this article just now: > > http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=3312 > > Not really concerned that 'Debian is in trouble', but I am curious about how > the releases work. Once in a while, debian manages to get the critical bug count very low, and any remaining packages with bugs that are not that important are kicked out of the release. Then the release is declared stable, and the previous stable release is named old-stable. A new testing release (The next one I believe is to be named Squeeze or something like that) is then named based on the new stable release. Lots of tested packages without known bugs in unstable are then let in to testing, and development continues for a few more years until once again a stable release happens. In the past there was no testing, and the elimination of bugs had to happen in unstable until it was in a state that could be released. That was hard and painful and held up new development. I think testing started after the release of 2.2. > If I am running Lenny, and want to maintain a system that always has relatively > up to date software (not necessarily bleeding edge), what is the process to > follow when Lenny finally is finally released? Is that a 'dist-upgrade', or is > that only for going, say, from Lenny to Sid? dist-upgrade is the only proper way to ever upgrade. The upgrade option is pretty much useless as it refuses to install anything new or remove anything old, which during development is often necesary. The only place plain upgrade tends to work is getting security updates on a stable release. Oh and going to Sid should only be done by those that know what they are doing, since Sid is the unstable development branch. Sid is never going to be a stable release. After all Sid was the kid in Toy Story that tortured and broke all the toys. > Sorry if I sound thick, but I've been doing clean installs of Mandriva releases > every year or so for a long time, having trouble wrapping my head around this > new scheme. New scheme? It's been going on this way for well over a decade. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 15 14:30:15 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:30:15 -0400 Subject: Debian Lenny and release dates In-Reply-To: <20081015134603.GN22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20081015103015.7c24f7ea@teksavvy.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 02:20:23AM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > > > > Saw this article just now: > > > > http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=3312 > > > > Not really concerned that 'Debian is in trouble', but I am curious about how > > the releases work. > > Once in a while, debian manages to get the critical bug count very low, > and any remaining packages with bugs that are not that important are > kicked out of the release. Then the release is declared stable, and the > previous stable release is named old-stable. A new testing release (The > next one I believe is to be named Squeeze or something like that) is > then named based on the new stable release. Lots of tested packages > without known bugs in unstable are then let in to testing, and > development continues for a few more years until once again a stable > release happens. In the past there was no testing, and the elimination > of bugs had to happen in unstable until it was in a state that could be > released. That was hard and painful and held up new development. I > think testing started after the release of 2.2. > > > If I am running Lenny, and want to maintain a system that always has > > relatively up to date software (not necessarily bleeding edge), what is the > > process to follow when Lenny finally is finally released? Is that a > > 'dist-upgrade', or is that only for going, say, from Lenny to Sid? > > dist-upgrade is the only proper way to ever upgrade. The upgrade option > is pretty much useless as it refuses to install anything new or remove > anything old, which during development is often necesary. The only > place plain upgrade tends to work is getting security updates on a > stable release. But when is it that a dist-upgrade is performed? ...a bright star in the East? ...a Wizard comes to my house and gives me a scroll? Would I then be running 'Squeeze'? > Oh and going to Sid should only be done by those that know what they are > doing, since Sid is the unstable development branch. Sid is never going > to be a stable release. After all Sid was the kid in Toy Story that > tortured and broke all the toys. Sid I get, not sure how they arrived at 'Lenny'. He wasn't exactly a central character ;) > > Sorry if I sound thick, but I've been doing clean installs of Mandriva > > releases every year or so for a long time, having trouble wrapping my head > > around this new scheme. > > New scheme? It's been going on this way for well over a decade. New to _me_ :-) Like I say, I've been doing things a very different way from the Debian Way. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 15 15:05:17 2008 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:05:17 -0400 Subject: Debian Lenny and release dates In-Reply-To: <20081015134603.GN22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <48F606AD.7040807@sympatico.ca> I have a fairly old Debian stable release on my home file server (either Woody or the one before). Can I still do a dist-upgrade? And what would that get me, the next release up from the one I have or would I end up with the latest stable release? Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 02:20:23AM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > >> Saw this article just now: >> >> http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=3312 >> >> Not really concerned that 'Debian is in trouble', but I am curious about how >> the releases work. >> > > Once in a while, debian manages to get the critical bug count very low, > and any remaining packages with bugs that are not that important are > kicked out of the release. Then the release is declared stable, and the > previous stable release is named old-stable. A new testing release (The > next one I believe is to be named Squeeze or something like that) is > then named based on the new stable release. Lots of tested packages > without known bugs in unstable are then let in to testing, and > development continues for a few more years until once again a stable > release happens. In the past there was no testing, and the elimination > of bugs had to happen in unstable until it was in a state that could be > released. That was hard and painful and held up new development. I > think testing started after the release of 2.2. > > >> If I am running Lenny, and want to maintain a system that always has relatively >> up to date software (not necessarily bleeding edge), what is the process to >> follow when Lenny finally is finally released? Is that a 'dist-upgrade', or is >> that only for going, say, from Lenny to Sid? >> > > dist-upgrade is the only proper way to ever upgrade. The upgrade option > is pretty much useless as it refuses to install anything new or remove > anything old, which during development is often necesary. The only > place plain upgrade tends to work is getting security updates on a > stable release. > > Oh and going to Sid should only be done by those that know what they are > doing, since Sid is the unstable development branch. Sid is never going > to be a stable release. After all Sid was the kid in Toy Story that > tortured and broke all the toys. > > >> Sorry if I sound thick, but I've been doing clean installs of Mandriva releases >> every year or so for a long time, having trouble wrapping my head around this >> new scheme. >> > > New scheme? It's been going on this way for well over a decade. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 15 15:17:57 2008 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:17:57 -0400 Subject: Debian Lenny and release dates In-Reply-To: <48F606AD.7040807-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48F606AD.7040807@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <1224083877.7075.44.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 11:05 -0400, John Moniz wrote: > I have a fairly old Debian stable release on my home file server (either > Woody or the one before). Can I still do a dist-upgrade? And what would > that get me, the next release up from the one I have or would I end up > with the latest stable release? > usually the procedure is to do an apt-get upgrade, preferably just before lenny releases -- this will get your system into alignment with the systems that debian devs are using for testing upgrades. then, when lenny releases -- or by modifying /etc/apt/sources.list -- do an apt-get dist-upgrade. least, that's how i've always done it. matt > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 02:20:23AM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > > > >> Saw this article just now: > >> > >> http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=3312 > >> > >> Not really concerned that 'Debian is in trouble', but I am curious about how > >> the releases work. > >> > > > > Once in a while, debian manages to get the critical bug count very low, > > and any remaining packages with bugs that are not that important are > > kicked out of the release. Then the release is declared stable, and the > > previous stable release is named old-stable. A new testing release (The > > next one I believe is to be named Squeeze or something like that) is > > then named based on the new stable release. Lots of tested packages > > without known bugs in unstable are then let in to testing, and > > development continues for a few more years until once again a stable > > release happens. In the past there was no testing, and the elimination > > of bugs had to happen in unstable until it was in a state that could be > > released. That was hard and painful and held up new development. I > > think testing started after the release of 2.2. > > > > > >> If I am running Lenny, and want to maintain a system that always has relatively > >> up to date software (not necessarily bleeding edge), what is the process to > >> follow when Lenny finally is finally released? Is that a 'dist-upgrade', or is > >> that only for going, say, from Lenny to Sid? > >> > > > > dist-upgrade is the only proper way to ever upgrade. The upgrade option > > is pretty much useless as it refuses to install anything new or remove > > anything old, which during development is often necesary. The only > > place plain upgrade tends to work is getting security updates on a > > stable release. > > > > Oh and going to Sid should only be done by those that know what they are > > doing, since Sid is the unstable development branch. Sid is never going > > to be a stable release. After all Sid was the kid in Toy Story that > > tortured and broke all the toys. > > > > > >> Sorry if I sound thick, but I've been doing clean installs of Mandriva releases > >> every year or so for a long time, having trouble wrapping my head around this > >> new scheme. > >> > > > > New scheme? It's been going on this way for well over a decade. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 15 18:15:02 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:15:02 -0400 Subject: Debian Lenny and release dates In-Reply-To: <20081015103015.7c24f7ea-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20081015103015.7c24f7ea@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <20081015181501.GO22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:30:15AM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > But when is it that a dist-upgrade is performed? > > ...a bright star in the East? > > ...a Wizard comes to my house and gives me a scroll? > > Would I then be running 'Squeeze'? You do a dist-upgrade any time you want to install any updates. There is no time a dist-upgrade would be the wrong choice for installing any updates. You will be running whatever your /etc/apt/sources.list says to download packages from. If it says stable then you will be running whatever is currently the stable release. If it says a release name, then it will use that release, no matter what the release state is. So listing lenny would mean running testing right now, and eventually stable when lenny some day is released, and eventually a few years from now it would become old-stable and you can continue to use it until it is eventually archived. Listing stable means running whatever is currently the stable release. Currently etch, and in a few months (hopefully) it would change to lenny, and then in a few years to squeeze or whatever. > > Oh and going to Sid should only be done by those that know what they are > > doing, since Sid is the unstable development branch. Sid is never going > > to be a stable release. After all Sid was the kid in Toy Story that > > tortured and broke all the toys. > > Sid I get, not sure how they arrived at 'Lenny'. He wasn't exactly a central > character ;) Well they have used quite a few by now. They are all toys, except sid, and sid isn't a release, it's the unstable archive. We have had bo, hamm, potato, woody, etch, sarge, slink, and a few more I don't remember. > New to _me_ :-) Like I say, I've been doing things a very different way from > the Debian Way. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 15 18:18:13 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:18:13 -0400 Subject: Debian Lenny and release dates In-Reply-To: <48F606AD.7040807-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48F606AD.7040807@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20081015181813.GP22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:05:17AM -0400, John Moniz wrote: > I have a fairly old Debian stable release on my home file server (either > Woody or the one before). Can I still do a dist-upgrade? And what would > that get me, the next release up from the one I have or would I end up > with the latest stable release? Doing a dist-upgrade more than one version is not well tested and probably won't work. Then again it might. Doing a dist upgrade to whatever the next stable release from what it has should work fine, and then repeat for each stable release until the current one. Before woody was potato. That's a VERY long time ago. I am not even sure potato can read current debian package files. Woody (3.0) probably can, but even then I wouldn't recommend it. 2.2 (potato) -> 3.0 (woody) -> 3.1 (sarge) -> 4.0 (etch) should work. Sometimes the release notes list a few things that might be necesary before an upgrade, although they are rare. Unfortunately it appears it might be the case for lenny when it is released that you have to update apt, dpkg and aptitude first, before doing the dist-upgrade. I hope that is fixed somehow before release. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 15 19:39:43 2008 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:39:43 -0400 Subject: Debian Lenny and release dates In-Reply-To: <20081015181813.GP22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48F606AD.7040807@sympatico.ca> <20081015181813.GP22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <48F646FF.3080406@sympatico.ca> It looks like my drive is getting a bit full. Do I need the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives in order to do the upgrade? If I clear it, I'm OK, but not sure if that's where apt does it's look up to determine what needs upgrading. Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:05:17AM -0400, John Moniz wrote: > >> I have a fairly old Debian stable release on my home file server (either >> Woody or the one before). Can I still do a dist-upgrade? And what would >> that get me, the next release up from the one I have or would I end up >> with the latest stable release? >> > > Doing a dist-upgrade more than one version is not well tested and > probably won't work. Then again it might. > > Doing a dist upgrade to whatever the next stable release from what it > has should work fine, and then repeat for each stable release until the > current one. > > Before woody was potato. That's a VERY long time ago. I am not even > sure potato can read current debian package files. Woody (3.0) probably > can, but even then I wouldn't recommend it. > > 2.2 (potato) -> 3.0 (woody) -> 3.1 (sarge) -> 4.0 (etch) should work. > > Sometimes the release notes list a few things that might be necesary > before an upgrade, although they are rare. Unfortunately it appears it > might be the case for lenny when it is released that you have to update > apt, dpkg and aptitude first, before doing the dist-upgrade. I hope > that is fixed somehow before release. > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 15 22:06:42 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:06:42 -0400 Subject: Debian Lenny and release dates In-Reply-To: <48F646FF.3080406-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48F606AD.7040807@sympatico.ca> <20081015181813.GP22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48F646FF.3080406@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 3:39 PM, John Moniz wrote: > It looks like my drive is getting a bit full. Do I need the packages in > /var/cache/apt/archives in order to do the upgrade? If I clear it, I'm OK, > but not sure if that's where apt does it's look up to determine what needs > upgrading. You can safely clear out the package files in that directory; when you run an upgrade, new package files will get thrown in there. The value in keeping *some* of them is that if you want to install another Debian system, you could copy those package files over, and avoid the need to download them. I have frequently used a common NFS mount for /var/cache/apt/archives, so that when I run apt-get upgrade against 2 boxes, they don't both wind up downloading the same files twice. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 15 22:17:06 2008 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:17:06 -0400 Subject: Debian Lenny and release dates In-Reply-To: References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48F606AD.7040807@sympatico.ca> <20081015181813.GP22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48F646FF.3080406@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <48F66BE2.906@dinamis.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 3:39 PM, John Moniz wrote: >> It looks like my drive is getting a bit full. Do I need the packages in >> /var/cache/apt/archives in order to do the upgrade? If I clear it, I'm OK, >> but not sure if that's where apt does it's look up to determine what needs >> upgrading. > > You can safely clear out the package files in that directory; when you > run an upgrade, new package files will get thrown in there. > > The value in keeping *some* of them is that if you want to install > another Debian system, you could copy those package files over, and > avoid the need to download them. > > I have frequently used a common NFS mount for /var/cache/apt/archives, > so that when I run apt-get upgrade against 2 boxes, they don't both > wind up downloading the same files twice. I've been doing preseed installations via PXE booting on Ubuntu Hardy. One of the things I learned was that apt-proxy is (still) broken and apt-cacher works like a charm. The purpose of apt-cacher is to share the packages in the cache with other machines. If it exists in the cache, it will be passed to the client. 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Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3273 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 05:08:47 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:08:47 -0400 Subject: Debian Lenny and release dates In-Reply-To: <20081015181501.GO22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20081015103015.7c24f7ea@teksavvy.com> <20081015181501.GO22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20081016010847.2074c6c9@teksavvy.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:30:15AM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > > But when is it that a dist-upgrade is performed? > > > > ...a bright star in the East? > > > > ...a Wizard comes to my house and gives me a scroll? > > > > Would I then be running 'Squeeze'? > > You do a dist-upgrade any time you want to install any updates. There > is no time a dist-upgrade would be the wrong choice for installing any > updates. > > You will be running whatever your /etc/apt/sources.list says to download > packages from. If it says stable then you will be running whatever is > currently the stable release. If it says a release name, then it will > use that release, no matter what the release state is. So listing lenny > would mean running testing right now, and eventually stable when lenny > some day is released, and eventually a few years from now it would > become old-stable and you can continue to use it until it is eventually > archived. Listing stable means running whatever is currently the stable > release. Currently etch, and in a few months (hopefully) it would > change to lenny, and then in a few years to squeeze or whatever. Ah, okay. So what I think I was really looking for was to be running 'testing', not 'lenny'. I would like to always be in the 'testing' state, at least for this box. Thing is, is it safe for me right now to change my sources.list from lenny to testing, and just run with that? Or should I immediately run a dist-upgrade? I just installed lenny a couple of weeks ago, so they can't have diverged yet, right? > > > Oh and going to Sid should only be done by those that know what they are > > > doing, since Sid is the unstable development branch. Sid is never going > > > to be a stable release. After all Sid was the kid in Toy Story that > > > tortured and broke all the toys. > > > > Sid I get, not sure how they arrived at 'Lenny'. He wasn't exactly a central > > character ;) > > Well they have used quite a few by now. They are all toys, except sid, > and sid isn't a release, it's the unstable archive. > > We have had bo, hamm, potato, woody, etch, sarge, slink, and a few more > I don't remember. > > > New to _me_ :-) Like I say, I've been doing things a very different way from > > the Debian Way. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 13:52:59 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:52:59 -0400 Subject: Debian Lenny and release dates In-Reply-To: <48F646FF.3080406-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48F606AD.7040807@sympatico.ca> <20081015181813.GP22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48F646FF.3080406@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20081016135259.GQ22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 03:39:43PM -0400, John Moniz wrote: > It looks like my drive is getting a bit full. Do I need the packages in > /var/cache/apt/archives in order to do the upgrade? If I clear it, I'm > OK, but not sure if that's where apt does it's look up to determine what > needs upgrading. You can clean up using 'apt-get clean'. The cache directory is just for storing downloads while installing them, after which you shouldn't need them again. apt-get update will update the list of packages available (and stores them in /var/lib/apt/lists/) and use that list compared to what is installed to decide what to upgrade. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 13:56:00 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:56:00 -0400 Subject: Debian Lenny and release dates In-Reply-To: <20081016010847.2074c6c9-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20081015103015.7c24f7ea@teksavvy.com> <20081015181501.GO22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20081016010847.2074c6c9@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <20081016135600.GR22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 01:08:47AM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > Ah, okay. So what I think I was really looking for was to be running 'testing', > not 'lenny'. I would like to always be in the 'testing' state, at least for > this box. Then you simply list testing in your sources.list. > Thing is, is it safe for me right now to change my sources.list from lenny to > testing, and just run with that? Or should I immediately run a dist-upgrade? I > just installed lenny a couple of weeks ago, so they can't have diverged yet, > right? Perfectly safe to do since testing and lenny is exactly the same thing at this time. Doing a dist-upgrade either before or after makes no difference, since you will get the same updates either way. The ftp archive says: lrwxrwxrwx 1 ftp ftp 5 Apr 8 2007 testing -> lenny Can't get much more identical than that. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 14:18:39 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:18:39 -0400 Subject: regex locationmatch help Message-ID: <20081016141839.GA14359@watson-wilson.ca> Hi Folks, I'm trying to set up a html:mason site. I want Apache to apply mason to all .pl, .mas and .html files that are not in the directory 'resume'. I tried this: But that is not matching. There is probably a simpler way but, I can't think of one yet. Any suggestions? -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 14:31:42 2008 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:31:42 -0400 Subject: Updates on Two Boxes [Was: Re:Debian Lenny and release dates] In-Reply-To: <20081016135259.GQ22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48F606AD.7040807@sympatico.ca> <20081015181813.GP22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48F646FF.3080406@sympatico.ca> <20081016135259.GQ22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <48F7504E.8060405@sympatico.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 03:39:43PM -0400, John Moniz wrote: > >> It looks like my drive is getting a bit full. Do I need the packages in >> /var/cache/apt/archives in order to do the upgrade? If I clear it, I'm >> OK, but not sure if that's where apt does it's look up to determine what >> needs upgrading. >> > > You can clean up using 'apt-get clean'. > > The cache directory is just for storing downloads while installing them, > after which you shouldn't need them again. > > apt-get update will update the list of packages available (and stores > them in /var/lib/apt/lists/) and use that list compared to what is > installed to decide what to upgrade. Great info Lennart (Christopher too). My mother-in-law is still on dial-up and won't be changing anytime soon. I'd like to maintain her Ubuntu up-to-date, but it's nearly impossible to download the updates at those speeds. I would like to set up the very same Ubuntu release at home, then when I update my box, I'd make a copy of the new packages on a CD to take to her place once in a while. I can see that the /var/cache/apt/archives would be the place to copy the packages from. Then it would be a matter of figuring out how to get her Ubuntu to search the CD for updates, would that be about right? Any complications other than trying to get the CD as an apt source? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 15:03:42 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:03:42 -0400 Subject: Updates on Two Boxes [Was: Re:Debian Lenny and release dates] In-Reply-To: <48F7504E.8060405-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48F606AD.7040807@sympatico.ca> <20081015181813.GP22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48F646FF.3080406@sympatico.ca> <20081016135259.GQ22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48F7504E.8060405@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:31 AM, John Moniz wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 03:39:43PM -0400, John Moniz wrote: >> >>> >>> It looks like my drive is getting a bit full. Do I need the packages in >>> /var/cache/apt/archives in order to do the upgrade? If I clear it, I'm OK, >>> but not sure if that's where apt does it's look up to determine what needs >>> upgrading. >>> >> >> You can clean up using 'apt-get clean'. >> >> The cache directory is just for storing downloads while installing them, >> after which you shouldn't need them again. >> >> apt-get update will update the list of packages available (and stores >> them in /var/lib/apt/lists/) and use that list compared to what is >> installed to decide what to upgrade. > > Great info Lennart (Christopher too). > > My mother-in-law is still on dial-up and won't be changing anytime soon. I'd > like to maintain her Ubuntu up-to-date, but it's nearly impossible to > download the updates at those speeds. I would like to set up the very same > Ubuntu release at home, then when I update my box, I'd make a copy of the > new packages on a CD to take to her place once in a while. > > I can see that the /var/cache/apt/archives would be the place to copy the > packages from. Then it would be a matter of figuring out how to get her > Ubuntu to search the CD for updates, would that be about right? Any > complications other than trying to get the CD as an apt source? The main "complication" is that you need to get the packages into her box's /var/cache/apt/archives directory. Supposing you mount the CD on /mnt/cdrom, and have the packages in /mnt/cdrom/archives, then you could do that something like: for pkg in `(cd /mnt/cdrom/archives; find -name "*.deb")`; do ln -s /mnt/cdrom/archives/$pkg /var/cache/apt/archives/$pkg done There's a good chance that, by the time you copy the packages over, there may be a few which have been upgraded further; you'd still need to pull package lists, and possibly a *few* packages, direct from Ubuntu archives, but that doesn't strike me as a big problem. You've at least got the "heavy lifting" of the 2GB of packages pulled over via "sneakernet." :-) -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 15:37:52 2008 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:37:52 -0400 Subject: Board election results. Message-ID: As was noted at the October GTALug general meeting, here are the results for the GTALug board elections: Myles Braithwaite - 8 David Collier-Brown - 4 David J Patrick - 5 Jeff E. Pikul - 3 The top two candidates are board members for the next two years. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cdavidson-LdRZAy6QGm4lk5EcyZIkJQ at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 15:44:06 2008 From: cdavidson-LdRZAy6QGm4lk5EcyZIkJQ at public.gmane.org (Colin Davidson) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:44:06 -0400 Subject: : Message-ID: <20081016154405.D24A522C8033@altsoftware.com> Hi Everyone, A month or two ago I got an Acer Laptop and, just to see what all the fuss was about, installed kubuntu. I have since had 3 rather serious (to me) problems. First, I want to get remote desktop (to my work windows XP box) working, so that I can finally and completely bury the Vista install. However, I am having trouble getting the MS VPN connection running. As I understand it, this should be a really simple task using Network Manager. However, despite install the network-manager-kde, network-manager and network-manager-gnome packages (the last of which is supposedly required because of a kde/network manager bug, I have made no progress. I found a knetworkmanager entry in the kde/internet menu but clicking it causes the machine to think and then, aparantly, do nothing. There is a network manager status page available via an icon in the "system tray" (please substitute whatever the current politically correct term is, if you care), but all it does is display the wired ethernet adapter status, and the page looks nothing like the knetworkmanager snapshots that I have seen. I seem to have reached the end of my "google-fu" at this point. Can anyone suggest further steps to take? Second, I tried to set up the laptop as an ssh server, but installing sshd. Local connections work fine, but when I try to access the machine from cygwin on my windows machine, the attempt aborts with a "permission denined" message. I tried adding an ssh allow file in the PAM (which appears to be enabled) configuration and put my logon id in that sshd.allow file in the /etc/sshd directory, but no joy even after a reboot. Any suggestions Third, my laptop is now failing to access most web sites when connected at home. It appears to be a DNS issue - google, slashdot and groklaw are not accessible but gentoo is, for instance. I tried putting a public DNS in the resolv.conf, but this appears to be managed by network manager. The network access is fine at work (where there are local net DNSs). At this point I don't have any idea how to proceed. Any assistance on any/all of these issues would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Colin p.s. I accidentally sent this out via my gmail account - where I had not yet registered. Apologies if this caused any problems. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 15:57:47 2008 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:57:47 -0400 Subject: : In-Reply-To: <20081016154405.D24A522C8033-LdRZAy6QGm4lk5EcyZIkJQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20081016154405.D24A522C8033@altsoftware.com> Message-ID: On 10/16/08, Colin Davidson wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > A month or two ago I got an Acer Laptop and, just to see what all the fuss > was about, installed kubuntu. I have since had 3 rather serious (to me) > problems. > [snip] > Third, my laptop is now failing to access most web sites when connected at > home. It appears to be a DNS issue - google, slashdot and groklaw are not > accessible but gentoo is, for instance. I tried putting a public DNS in the > resolv.conf, but this appears to be managed by network manager. The network > access is fine at work (where there are local net DNSs). At this point I > don't have any idea how to proceed. Which ISP are you using? The Rogers DNS server of late seems (at least in my area) to be a pretty sad joke... > Any assistance on any/all of these issues would be very much appreciated. > > Thanks, Colin [snip] Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cdavidson-LdRZAy6QGm4lk5EcyZIkJQ at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 16:12:41 2008 From: cdavidson-LdRZAy6QGm4lk5EcyZIkJQ at public.gmane.org (Colin Davidson) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:12:41 -0400 Subject: : In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081016161240.ECB8F22C8033@altsoftware.com> Hi, My home ISP is Cogeco. On my desktop box (under Knoppix) everything resolves just fine. It seems to be just a Kubuntu issue, but I couldn't find anything in the Ubuntu Fora. Thanks, Colin -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Colin McGregor Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:58 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: On 10/16/08, Colin Davidson wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > A month or two ago I got an Acer Laptop and, just to see what all the fuss > was about, installed kubuntu. I have since had 3 rather serious (to me) > problems. > [snip] > Third, my laptop is now failing to access most web sites when connected at > home. It appears to be a DNS issue - google, slashdot and groklaw are not > accessible but gentoo is, for instance. I tried putting a public DNS in the > resolv.conf, but this appears to be managed by network manager. The network > access is fine at work (where there are local net DNSs). At this point I > don't have any idea how to proceed. Which ISP are you using? The Rogers DNS server of late seems (at least in my area) to be a pretty sad joke... > Any assistance on any/all of these issues would be very much appreciated. > > Thanks, Colin [snip] Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 16:55:11 2008 From: ayilmaz-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Amanda Yilmaz) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:55:11 -0400 Subject: NewEGG in Canada In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1224176111.9173.1279659015@webmail.messagingengine.com> Newegg is one of the very best online retailers in the US, with a 9.85/10 customer satisfaction rating according to www.resellerratings.com. I've heard nothing but good things about them. This is one US business I'm happy to see operating in Canada. Let's hope their Canadian operation is similarly excellent. Amanda ----- Original message ----- From: "Colin McGregor" To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:48:16 -0400 Subject: [TLUG]: NewEGG in Canada Something that was recently noted on the Unix Unanimous mailing list. Seems US based on-line computer equipment retailer NewEGG has set up a Canadian operation: http://www.newegg.ca/ Obviously, I have no idea how good/bad these folks are, but thought this info. would be of general interest... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 17:08:37 2008 From: jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (John Sellens) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: NewEGG in Canada Message-ID: <200810161708.m9GH8bjK064326@gc0.generalconcepts.com> Last night, the newegg.ca web site said $20 off your order until October 20? 21? with promo code NEWEGGCA20 (if you agree to accept their promo email) but I don't see it there now. So I bought a USB wireless key for $3 (plus shipping and tax, but still under $17 delivered). So if you're looking to buy something anyway, you might save $20 just by making a new friend. Cheers John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cdavidson-LdRZAy6QGm4lk5EcyZIkJQ at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 18:47:20 2008 From: cdavidson-LdRZAy6QGm4lk5EcyZIkJQ at public.gmane.org (Colin Davidson) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:47:20 -0400 Subject: (k)ubuntu issues. In-Reply-To: <20081016154405.D24A522C8033-LdRZAy6QGm4lk5EcyZIkJQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20081016154405.D24A522C8033@altsoftware.com> Message-ID: <20081016184719.4793A22C8033@altsoftware.com> Forgot to title the previous e-mail. _____ From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Colin Davidson Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:44 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Hi Everyone, A month or two ago I got an Acer Laptop and, just to see what all the fuss was about, installed kubuntu. I have since had 3 rather serious (to me) problems. First, I want to get remote desktop (to my work windows XP box) working, so that I can finally and completely bury the Vista install. However, I am having trouble getting the MS VPN connection running. As I understand it, this should be a really simple task using Network Manager. However, despite install the network-manager-kde, network-manager and network-manager-gnome packages (the last of which is supposedly required because of a kde/network manager bug, I have made no progress. I found a knetworkmanager entry in the kde/internet menu but clicking it causes the machine to think and then, aparantly, do nothing. There is a network manager status page available via an icon in the "system tray" (please substitute whatever the current politically correct term is, if you care), but all it does is display the wired ethernet adapter status, and the page looks nothing like the knetworkmanager snapshots that I have seen. I seem to have reached the end of my "google-fu" at this point. Can anyone suggest further steps to take? Second, I tried to set up the laptop as an ssh server, but installing sshd. Local connections work fine, but when I try to access the machine from cygwin on my windows machine, the attempt aborts with a "permission denined" message. I tried adding an ssh allow file in the PAM (which appears to be enabled) configuration and put my logon id in that sshd.allow file in the /etc/sshd directory, but no joy even after a reboot. Any suggestions Third, my laptop is now failing to access most web sites when connected at home. It appears to be a DNS issue - google, slashdot and groklaw are not accessible but gentoo is, for instance. I tried putting a public DNS in the resolv.conf, but this appears to be managed by network manager. The network access is fine at work (where there are local net DNSs). At this point I don't have any idea how to proceed. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 19:32:49 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:32:49 -0400 Subject: Cats and MythTV... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: But odorless does not mean that humans do not react to it. How about my wife for instance? ; On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Peter wrote: > Hi all, I haven't been in here for a while now. > > There exists odorless (for humans) spray that "tells" cats not to go where it > has been sprayed. It is based on pheromones or something like that. > > Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 19:40:47 2008 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:40:47 -0400 Subject: Cats and MythTV... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F798BF.6060504@dinamis.com> > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Peter wrote: >> Hi all, I haven't been in here for a while now. >> >> There exists odorless (for humans) spray that "tells" cats not to go where it >> has been sprayed. It is based on pheromones or something like that. Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > But odorless does not mean that humans do not react to it. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > If you look at operating systems, you'll only find Windows. I also notice they ship UPS. If they ship from the U.S. direct to the customer, that could cause real problems, unless they handle getting it across the border, as UPS has obscene "broker" charges. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 19:55:21 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:55:21 -0400 Subject: Updates on Two Boxes [Was: Re:Debian Lenny and release dates] In-Reply-To: <48F7504E.8060405-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48F606AD.7040807@sympatico.ca> <20081015181813.GP22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48F646FF.3080406@sympatico.ca> <20081016135259.GQ22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <48F7504E.8060405@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20081016195521.GS22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:31:42AM -0400, John Moniz wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 03:39:43PM -0400, John Moniz wrote: > > > >>It looks like my drive is getting a bit full. Do I need the packages in > >>/var/cache/apt/archives in order to do the upgrade? If I clear it, I'm > >>OK, but not sure if that's where apt does it's look up to determine what > >>needs upgrading. > >> > > > >You can clean up using 'apt-get clean'. > > > >The cache directory is just for storing downloads while installing them, > >after which you shouldn't need them again. > > > >apt-get update will update the list of packages available (and stores > >them in /var/lib/apt/lists/) and use that list compared to what is > >installed to decide what to upgrade. > Great info Lennart (Christopher too). > > My mother-in-law is still on dial-up and won't be changing anytime soon. > I'd like to maintain her Ubuntu up-to-date, but it's nearly impossible > to download the updates at those speeds. I would like to set up the very > same Ubuntu release at home, then when I update my box, I'd make a copy > of the new packages on a CD to take to her place once in a while. > > I can see that the /var/cache/apt/archives would be the place to copy > the packages from. Then it would be a matter of figuring out how to get > her Ubuntu to search the CD for updates, would that be about right? Any > complications other than trying to get the CD as an apt source? Better yet use a tool for the job: Package: apt-zip Priority: extra Section: admin Installed-Size: 116 Maintainer: Giacomo Catenazzi Architecture: all Version: 0.15 Depends: apt (>= 0.3.10) Filename: pool/main/a/apt-zip/apt-zip_0.15_all.deb Size: 17932 MD5sum: 47104830a8df3e7ebedcd07ef45c4412 SHA1: ae8f89e5898ee87fe56f45f2404a6284ba6fa6f3 SHA256: fad9a440adeb7edba808d6459fe03a9d5e4ed41ca8ff156c49aaee6d1ce98d35 Description: Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media These scripts simplify the process of using dselect and apt on a non-networked Debian box, using removable media like ZIP floppies and USB keys. One generates a `fetch' script (supporting backends such as wget and lftp, in a modular, extensible way) to be run on a host with better connectivity, check space constraints of your removable media, and then install the package on your Debian box. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 20:04:23 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:04:23 -0400 Subject: Cats and MythTV... In-Reply-To: <48F798BF.6060504-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <48F798BF.6060504@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <48F79E47.4080005@rogers.com> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Peter wrote: >> >>> Hi all, I haven't been in here for a while now. >>> >>> There exists odorless (for humans) spray that "tells" cats not to go where it >>> has been sprayed. It is based on pheromones or something like that. >>> > > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > >> But odorless does not mean that humans do not react to it. How about >> my wife for instance? ; >> > > You're married to Catwoman? > Either that or she scares cats. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 20:04:47 2008 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:04:47 -0400 Subject: (k)ubuntu issues. In-Reply-To: <20081016184719.4793A22C8033-LdRZAy6QGm4lk5EcyZIkJQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20081016184719.4793A22C8033@altsoftware.com> Message-ID: <48F79E5F.6030307@rogers.com> Colin Davidson wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > A month or two ago I got an Acer Laptop and, just to see what all the > fuss was about, installed kubuntu. I have since had 3 rather serious (to > me) problems. > > First, I want to get remote desktop (to my work windows XP box) working, > so that I can finally and completely bury the Vista install. However, I > am having trouble getting the MS VPN connection running. As I understand > it, this should be a really simple task using Network Manager. However, > despite install the network-manager-kde, network-manager and > network-manager-gnome packages (the last of which is supposedly required > because of a kde/network manager bug, I have made no progress. I found a > knetworkmanager entry in the kde/internet menu but clicking it causes > the machine to think and then, aparantly, do nothing. There is a network > manager status page available via an icon in the "system tray" (please > substitute whatever the current politically correct term is, if you > care), but all it does is display the wired ethernet adapter status, and > the page looks nothing like the knetworkmanager snapshots that I have > seen. I seem to have reached the end of my "google-fu" at this point. > Can anyone suggest further steps to take? > That's often typical behaviour with Knetworkmanger. Try wicd instead. You should find it in the Ubuntu / Kubuntu repositories. Installation instructions can be found on its website. > http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ HTH John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 20:09:25 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:09:25 -0400 Subject: NewEGG in Canada In-Reply-To: <48F79B11.5090603-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <48F79B11.5090603@rogers.com> Message-ID: <48F79F75.9010205@telly.org> James Knott wrote: > If you look at operating systems, you'll only find Windows. I also > notice they ship UPS. If they ship from the U.S. direct to the > customer, that could cause real problems, unless they handle getting it > across the border, as UPS has obscene "broker" charges. > I've found that this is no longer _necessarily_ the case, if the sender has an appropriate relationship with UPS much of that is taken care of in advance. Of course since Newegg now has a Canadian presence it likely now collects GST on purchases, so collecting that at the border will not likely be an issue. I've recently had things sent to me by UPS from companies that had Canadian websites and American warehouses without problem. This doesn't mean that Newegg shipments will be problem-free, but it does mean that UPS no longer automatically means "cross-border nightmare". - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 22:32:29 2008 From: dbmacg-HLeSyJ3qPdM at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:32:29 -0400 Subject: NewEGG in Canada In-Reply-To: <48F79F75.9010205-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <48F79B11.5090603@rogers.com> <48F79F75.9010205@telly.org> Message-ID: <200810161832.29301.dbmacg@look.ca> Once you have paid the vendor (and UPS) all they claim for shipping goods to you, you will likely be charged again at your doorstep to receive the goods. I had this experience again as recently as a week ago. It seems they have a shipping charge and a hidden delivery charge at your door (on whatever pretext). To Canada, UPS is not competitive in their total rates, or in their service. Avoid them. I have no idea why any vendor or any buyer should ever use them. Duncan On Thursday 16 October 2008 16:09:25 Evan Leibovitch wrote: > James Knott wrote: > > If you look at operating systems, you'll only find Windows. I also > > notice they ship UPS. If they ship from the U.S. direct to the > > customer, that could cause real problems, unless they handle getting it > > across the border, as UPS has obscene "broker" charges. > > I've found that this is no longer _necessarily_ the case, if the sender > has an appropriate relationship with UPS much of that is taken care of > in advance. > > Of course since Newegg now has a Canadian presence it likely now > collects GST on purchases, so collecting that at the border will not > likely be an issue. I've recently had things sent to me by UPS from > companies that had Canadian websites and American warehouses without > problem. This doesn't mean that Newegg shipments will be problem-free, > but it does mean that UPS no longer automatically means "cross-border > nightmare". > > - Evan > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Duncan MacGregor --- Toronto --- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 16 20:59:58 2008 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: NewEGG in Canada In-Reply-To: <48F79F75.9010205-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <48F79B11.5090603@rogers.com> <48F79F75.9010205@telly.org> Message-ID: <24279.173.34.8.54.1224190798.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> > James Knott wrote: >> If you look at operating systems, you'll only find Windows. I also >> notice they ship UPS. If they ship from the U.S. direct to the >> customer, that could cause real problems, unless they handle getting it >> across the border, as UPS has obscene "broker" charges. >> > I've found that this is no longer _necessarily_ the case, if the sender > has an appropriate relationship with UPS much of that is taken care of > in advance. > > Of course since Newegg now has a Canadian presence it likely now > collects GST on purchases, so collecting that at the border will not > likely be an issue. I've recently had things sent to me by UPS from > companies that had Canadian websites and American warehouses without > problem. This doesn't mean that Newegg shipments will be problem-free, > but it does mean that UPS no longer automatically means "cross-border > nightmare". I've found that some companies will agree to ship by USPS (US Postal Service) if you push them on it . That avoids the outrageous border brokerage charges if you can live with a delivery time of a week or so. -- Peter Hiscocks Syscomp Electronic Design Limited, Toronto http://www.syscompdesign.com USB Oscilloscope and Waveform Generator 647-839-0325 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 17 00:18:38 2008 From: jmiles242-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (John Miles) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:18:38 -0400 Subject: Cats and MythTV... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is a product called "Feliway" - which is apparently some sort of synthetic cat phermone. My wife uses it with our cats to calm them down and feel more settled in an environment. (might just be a placebo to make a person feel like they can actually control what a darn cat will do.) Picture a cat rubbing it's face one something repeatedly when it is happy. The problem - if you cat was doing something unpleasant (i.e. piddling) on your MythTV box, phermones would supposedly help. If you cat is already feeling super comfy and happy, it will probably do not too much. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feline_facial_pheromone Too bad... I'd still say, put a couple of the "hook" side velcro strips on the top would still deter it a bit. If you do want to try that Feliway stuff, I think our vet sells it (Don Valley Animal Hospital) John On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Peter wrote: > Hi all, I haven't been in here for a while now. > > There exists odorless (for humans) spray that "tells" cats not to go where > it > has been sprayed. It is based on pheromones or something like that. > > Peter > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 17 14:05:53 2008 From: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ken O. Burtch) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Debian Lenny and release dates In-Reply-To: <20081016135600.GR22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20081015103015.7c24f7ea@teksavvy.com> <20081015181501.GO22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20081016010847.2074c6c9@teksavvy.com> <20081016135600.GR22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: I have similar problems with Ubuntu 6 on coLinux. I installed "taskjuggler" and then uninstalled it. apt-get reports that the uninstaller is trying to run the "touch" command with the wrong parameters. Now I can neither install nor uninstall taskjuggler, nor can I install any updates because apt-get keeps trying to uninstall taskjuggler and fails. apt-get clean and apt-get dist-upgrade do not help. Unfortunately, there's a bug in the Ubuntu 7 image for coLinux that won't allow fonts to be installed. So that limits its usefulness. Ken B. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone/Fax: 905-562-0848 "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org "Perl Phrasebook" Blog: http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 16 Oct 2008, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 01:08:47AM -0400, JoeHill wrote: >> Ah, okay. So what I think I was really looking for was to be running 'testing', >> not 'lenny'. I would like to always be in the 'testing' state, at least for >> this box. > > Then you simply list testing in your sources.list. > >> Thing is, is it safe for me right now to change my sources.list from lenny to >> testing, and just run with that? Or should I immediately run a dist-upgrade? I >> just installed lenny a couple of weeks ago, so they can't have diverged yet, >> right? > > Perfectly safe to do since testing and lenny is exactly the same thing > at this time. Doing a dist-upgrade either before or after makes no > difference, since you will get the same updates either way. > > The ftp archive says: > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 ftp ftp 5 Apr 8 2007 testing -> lenny > > Can't get much more identical than that. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 17 14:09:46 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:09:46 -0400 Subject: Debian Lenny and release dates In-Reply-To: References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20081015103015.7c24f7ea@teksavvy.com> <20081015181501.GO22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20081016010847.2074c6c9@teksavvy.com> <20081016135600.GR22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20081017140946.GT22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:05:53AM -0400, Ken O. Burtch wrote: > > I have similar problems with Ubuntu 6 on coLinux. I installed > "taskjuggler" and then uninstalled it. apt-get reports that the > uninstaller is trying to run the "touch" command with the wrong > parameters. Now I can neither install nor uninstall taskjuggler, nor can > I install any updates because apt-get keeps trying to uninstall > taskjuggler and fails. apt-get clean and apt-get dist-upgrade do not > help. > > Unfortunately, there's a bug in the Ubuntu 7 image for coLinux that won't > allow fonts to be installed. So that limits its usefulness. You can make it uninstall by editing /var/lib/dpkg/info/taskjuggler.postrm and inserting an exit 0 near the top. That way it will simply skip whatever it was trying to do that prevented its removal. Not something to normally do, but sometimes things are broken. Whatever is colinux anyhow? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 17 14:13:31 2008 From: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ken O. Burtch) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Debian Lenny and release dates In-Reply-To: <20081017140946.GT22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20081015103015.7c24f7ea@teksavvy.com> <20081015181501.GO22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20081016010847.2074c6c9@teksavvy.com> <20081016135600.GR22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20081017140946.GT22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: It's an open source "virtual appliance" tool that allows Linux to run on a Windows machine without using a full-blown virtualization system like vmware. Double click "Fedora.bat" and get a Linux console in a DOS window. Configure X and you can run X-Windows applications (like the KDE konsole, in which I am typing this email) in Windows. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone/Fax: 905-562-0848 "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Email: ken-8VyUGRzHQ8IsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org "Perl Phrasebook" Blog: http://www.pegasoft.ca/coder.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:05:53AM -0400, Ken O. Burtch wrote: >> >> I have similar problems with Ubuntu 6 on coLinux. I installed >> "taskjuggler" and then uninstalled it. apt-get reports that the >> uninstaller is trying to run the "touch" command with the wrong >> parameters. Now I can neither install nor uninstall taskjuggler, nor can >> I install any updates because apt-get keeps trying to uninstall >> taskjuggler and fails. apt-get clean and apt-get dist-upgrade do not >> help. >> >> Unfortunately, there's a bug in the Ubuntu 7 image for coLinux that won't >> allow fonts to be installed. So that limits its usefulness. > > You can make it uninstall by editing > /var/lib/dpkg/info/taskjuggler.postrm and inserting an exit 0 near the > top. That way it will simply skip whatever it was trying to do that > prevented its removal. > > Not something to normally do, but sometimes things are broken. > > Whatever is colinux anyhow? > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 17 14:59:08 2008 From: ispeters-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ian Petersen) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:59:08 -0400 Subject: Debian Lenny and release dates In-Reply-To: References: <20081015022023.28240209@teksavvy.com> <20081015134603.GN22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20081015103015.7c24f7ea@teksavvy.com> <20081015181501.GO22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20081016010847.2074c6c9@teksavvy.com> <20081016135600.GR22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20081017140946.GT22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <7ac602420810170759o6df377fx7a3d9cc285ece636@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Ken O. Burtch wrote: > It's an open source "virtual appliance" tool that allows Linux to run on a > Windows machine without using a full-blown virtualization system like > vmware. Double click "Fedora.bat" and get a Linux console in a DOS window. > Configure X and you can run X-Windows applications (like the KDE konsole, > in which I am typing this email) in Windows. Just wanted to add a small technical detail: it's basically a port of the Linux kernel to NT, sort of like User-Mode Linux but for Windows. Running coLinux amounts to running the kernel as a process on a Windows machine. I _think_ I remember that there's some feature of either the NT kernel or the Windows API that allows the kernel to be a "special" process in this context and you're _almost_ running two kernels at the same time, but I'm not sure about that. Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 17 16:02:49 2008 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:02:49 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [d@DCC] CRTC new media hearings In-Reply-To: <6969D7AC-5EA1-44ED-B164-C3B2A05448AB-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <6969D7AC-5EA1-44ED-B164-C3B2A05448AB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0810170902j1d7696cata9ac7e15706b6cd4@mail.gmail.com> Hey all. Thought this message might be of value to some here. >From the article: The Commission is seeking responses to questions surrounding the following six main themes: I. Defining broadcasting in new media II. The significance of broadcasting in new media and its impact on the Canadian broadcasting system III. Are incentives or regulatory measures necessary or desireable for the creation and promotion of Canadian broadcasting content in new media? IV. Are there issues concerning access to broadcasting content in new media? V. Other broadcasting or public policy objectives VI. The appropriateness of the new media exemption orders - Scott. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Keith Rose Date: Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:15 PM Subject: [d at DCC] CRTC new media hearings To: "General Copyright Discussions (questions, organizing, etc)" The CRTC has given notice this week of a public hearing on "Canadian broadcasting in new media". The full notice is at . The oral hearing begins on 17 February 2009 at 9:00 a.m. at the Conference Centre, Phase IV, 140 Promenade du Portage, Gatineau, Quebec. Written comments must be submitted by 5 December 2008. Written submissions are "Parties wishing to appear at the public hearing must state their request on the first page of their written submissions. Parties requesting appearance must provide clear reasons, on the first page of their submissions, as to why the written submission is not sufficient and why an appearance is necessary." While I'm sending this mostly on the theory that some of you probably have a general interest in the CRTC's theoretical desire to regulate new media, there is a (weak) copyright connection. From the section of the notice titled Issues Beyond the Commission's Jurisdiction: "The Commission notes that it has received comments that identify issues and ideas pertaining to copyright, direct government subsidy, and amendments to the federal Income Tax Act. While the Commission will not be in a position to implement any of these proposals, it will consider arguments and solutions which call for broader policy deliberations to assess whether any problems might best be resolved in a different context." KR _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss-WolORMuebV4TBNh8kXeBKqyvx2GgBOVq930Pai70D+E at public.gmane.org http://list.digital-copyright.ca/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ http://www.psema4.com/blog/ http://www.google.com/reader/shared/14892828400785741937 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 17 19:30:35 2008 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:30:35 -0400 Subject: Releasing software under both LGPL 2.1 & 3 - A good idea? Message-ID: <99a6c38f0810171230r1c282fcdo6357b448ebb4793c@mail.gmail.com> I've been paring down the concept behind my project Atomic OS and things are (late but) improving a good deal. A "problem" has cropped up in the form of licensing. One of the major changes in the project is that the One Ring library approach wasn't a good idea. I'd like to offload a bunch of work (eg. the GUI components) to libraries licensed under the GPL 3 and Apache 2. Atomic OS is (/was) LGPL 2.1 and for compatibility with existing DHTML documents, I'd like to keep the core of the project at this version. If I want to tie it in with ExtJS (GPL 3; say for GUI widgets) or Appcelerator (Apache 2; a RIA generator) then Atomic OS needs to be LGPL 3 - at least if I understand the situation correctly. In order to get around this I'm thinking to excerise the "at your option any later version" bit and release under the LGPL 2.1 then a v3 version immediately following (as part of the build process). Not sure if it's a good idea though. Any suggestions? TIA - Scott. P.S. If interested, I've an early outline/draft (v0.1) of a manual for the next release up at http://projects.psema4.com/atomos/ The glibc (LGPL 2.1) port to JavaScript should be fun ;-) -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/blog/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 17 21:33:52 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:33:52 -0400 Subject: oracle? need help with installation Message-ID: This is Oracle Express Edition 10g (a free version, for non-commercial use). Anybody around have some idea about that beast? I guess so. I am not going to write to the list about technical details - that would probably be too boring subject for most around. Please write to me personally. I am not new to servers and databases. When however I try to resolve the problem I have by googling, I face the wall. Please write and I will explain in details. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Oct 18 14:43:51 2008 From: mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Marcel Gagne) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:43:51 -0400 Subject: Introducing WFTL Bytes! Message-ID: <200810181043.52235.mggagne@salmar.com> Hello everyone, Warning! Shameless self-promotion follows. Not sure if you've had a chance to see any of these (some of you have, but I' haven't made an announcement here), but I've started a daily video news show called "WFTL Bytes!". It's your occasiodaily FOSS news show featuring the latest Linux and FOSS-related news as delivered by your host, Marcel Gagn?. That would be me. [This isn't the live weekly show that takes place on Ustream.tv. That's something entirely different.] WFTL Bytes! is a fast, fun, occasionally a bit goofy, but always informative look at technology news and events as seen from a free and open source software (aka FOSS) perspective. This, of course, includes Linux and everything that that orbits it. http://wftlbytes.com Watch! Enjoy! And please, comment on the stories. I want to know what you think and what you've got to say, either about the show in general, the topics covered, of the stories themselves. Take care out there. -- Marcel (Writer and Free Thinker at Large) Gagn? Note: This massagee wos nat speel or gramer-checkered. Main Websites: www.marcelgagne.com AND www.cookingwithlinux.com Author of the "Moving to Linux" series of books Follow me : http://identi.ca/wftl Join the WFTL-LUG : http://www.wftl-lug.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Sat Oct 18 20:43:49 2008 From: jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Board election results. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41331.192.30.202.28.1224362629.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> > As was noted at the October GTALug general meeting, here are the > results for the GTALug board elections: > > Myles Braithwaite - 8 > David Collier-Brown - 4 > David J Patrick - 5 > Jeff E. Pikul - 3 > > The top two candidates are board members for the next two years. The "top two candidates" in the list are: > Myles Braithwaite - 8 > David Collier-Brown - 4 but the "top two candidates" by tallied votes are: > Myles Braithwaite - 8 > David J Patrick - 5 So is it David or David ? Collier-Brown or J Patrick ? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org Sat Oct 18 21:11:00 2008 From: djp-tnsZcVQxgqO2dHQpreyxbg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:11:00 -0400 Subject: Board election results. In-Reply-To: <41331.192.30.202.28.1224362629.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0ct5LIneo90w@public.gmane.org> References: <41331.192.30.202.28.1224362629.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> Message-ID: <48FA50E4.2000708@linuxcaffe.ca> jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org wrote: >> As was noted at the October GTALug general meeting, here are the >> results for the GTALug board elections: >> >> Myles Braithwaite - 8 >> David Collier-Brown - 4 >> David J Patrick - 5 >> Jeff E. Pikul - 3 >> >> The top two candidates are board members for the next two years. >> > > > The "top two candidates" in the list are: > >> Myles Braithwaite - 8 >> David Collier-Brown - 4 >> > > but the "top two candidates" by tallied votes are: > >> Myles Braithwaite - 8 >> David J Patrick - 5 >> > > So is it David or David ? > > Collier-Brown or J Patrick ? > do you mean "sorted alphabetically" vs. "number of votes " ? or is there other criteria ? DCB is a good man and has been a solid contributor to the community.. DJP (me) is also a tireless linux champion.. what was the question ? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 19 01:18:19 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:18:19 -0400 Subject: Board election results. In-Reply-To: <41331.192.30.202.28.1224362629.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0ct5LIneo90w@public.gmane.org> References: <41331.192.30.202.28.1224362629.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> Message-ID: <48FA8ADB.9040207@rogers.com> jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > > The "top two candidates" in the list are: > >> Myles Braithwaite - 8 >> David Collier-Brown - 4 >> > > but the "top two candidates" by tallied votes are: > >> Myles Braithwaite - 8 >> David J Patrick - 5 >> > > So is it David or David ? > > Yes. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 19 02:31:46 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:31:46 -0400 Subject: mail and web start in offline mode Message-ID: <20081018223146.3a30c352@teksavvy.com> Hey, On Debian Testing with XFCE, network configured with Gnome's Network tool. When I first set up this system I had some issues connecting to my new router, and ever since then Claws Mail and Firefox both start up in offline mode by default. I cannot find anywhere in the system that this preference is set. Any ideas? -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 19 05:26:13 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 01:26:13 -0400 Subject: Introducing WFTL Bytes! In-Reply-To: <200810181043.52235.mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200810181043.52235.mggagne@salmar.com> Message-ID: Go away. I can not bare your stupidity. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 19 05:50:22 2008 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 01:50:22 -0400 Subject: mail and web start in offline mode In-Reply-To: <20081018223146.3a30c352-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20081018223146.3a30c352@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <20081019055022.GA5043@waltdnes.org> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:31:46PM -0400, JoeHill wrote > Hey, > > On Debian Testing with XFCE, network configured with Gnome's Network > tool. When I first set up this system I had some issues connecting > to my new router, and ever since then Claws Mail and Firefox both > start up in offline mode by default. > > I cannot find anywhere in the system that this preference is set. > > Any ideas? I'm not familiar with Claws Mail. In Firefox, I suggest about:config and check the setting for "network.online". It should be "true". -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 19 17:17:57 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:17:57 -0400 Subject: Introducing WFTL Bytes! In-Reply-To: <48FB3568.2070000-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200810181043.52235.mggagne@salmar.com> <48FB2CF2.40907@utoronto.ca> <48FB3568.2070000@gmail.com> Message-ID: Marcel should focus on writing books. I hate movies, TV, etc. They would force you to believe in global warming or financial crisis. OK, may be all this is largely because of Oracle indeed ;) Nobody answered me... And in fact I am not surprised. What a shit is that Oracle? I am used to postgreSQL and how wonderful it is! When I have a problem, I find a solution on google. In case of Oracle... forget! Why people are using such a crap? Oh, well, I know why... they depend on Oracle money... I mean they pay them huge money but Oracle gives them something in return.. for instance participation in conferences, etc. A kind of corruption scheme. Another problem I have is with foremons. Mine attract kids around. They come here in a dozen, hug me, kiss, jump on me, fight with me. And with cats... they also jimp on me and kiss me. But if took measures how advertised against cats my wife will not come close to me either! zb. On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Mike Kallies wrote: > Jamon Camisso wrote: >> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >>> Go away. >>> >>> I can not bare your stupidity. >>> >>> zb. >> >> That's unnecessarily harsh. Marcel asked for comments, not personal >> attacks. Perhaps you should be the one to go away as I don't recall your >> ever having contributed positively to this list. >> >> Jamon > > > Zbigniew... put... down... the.... Oracle. You need to sleep, feed > squirrels, have a cup of tea or something. Breathing helps too. > > > > > -Mike > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 19 13:46:53 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:46:53 -0400 Subject: mail and web start in offline mode In-Reply-To: <20081019055022.GA5043-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20081018223146.3a30c352@teksavvy.com> <20081019055022.GA5043@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20081019094653.5847418b@teksavvy.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:31:46PM -0400, JoeHill wrote > > Hey, > > > > On Debian Testing with XFCE, network configured with Gnome's Network > > tool. When I first set up this system I had some issues connecting > > to my new router, and ever since then Claws Mail and Firefox both > > start up in offline mode by default. > > > > I cannot find anywhere in the system that this preference is set. > > > > Any ideas? > > I'm not familiar with Claws Mail. In Firefox, I suggest about:config > and check the setting for "network.online". It should be "true". That's set to 'true' already, and since this is affecting two different apps I was thinking it might be related to some system wide setting somewhere. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 19 13:26:00 2008 From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:26:00 +0200 Subject: Introducing WFTL Bytes! In-Reply-To: <48FB2CF2.40907-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200810181043.52235.mggagne@salmar.com> <48FB2CF2.40907@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <48FB3568.2070000@gmail.com> Jamon Camisso wrote: > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >> Go away. >> >> I can not bare your stupidity. >> >> zb. > > That's unnecessarily harsh. Marcel asked for comments, not personal > attacks. Perhaps you should be the one to go away as I don't recall your > ever having contributed positively to this list. > > Jamon Zbigniew... put... down... the.... Oracle. You need to sleep, feed squirrels, have a cup of tea or something. Breathing helps too. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 19 12:49:54 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 08:49:54 -0400 Subject: Introducing WFTL Bytes! In-Reply-To: References: <200810181043.52235.mggagne@salmar.com> Message-ID: <48FB2CF2.40907@utoronto.ca> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Go away. > > I can not bare your stupidity. > > zb. That's unnecessarily harsh. Marcel asked for comments, not personal attacks. Perhaps you should be the one to go away as I don't recall your ever having contributed positively to this list. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 19 12:57:23 2008 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 08:57:23 -0400 Subject: Trust Me This is On Topic Message-ID: <48FB2EB3.2080208@utoronto.ca> There is a reference to Linux halfway through this letter. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/128d399a-9c75-11dd-a42e-000077b07658,s01=1.html Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 19 17:06:42 2008 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:06:42 -0400 Subject: Trust Me This is On Topic In-Reply-To: <48FB2EB3.2080208-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <48FB2EB3.2080208@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <48FB6922.4000502@ss.org> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > There is a reference to Linux halfway through this letter. > > http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/128d399a-9c75-11dd-a42e-000077b07658,s01=1.html > > Ivan. I know many of you may be going "Duh" about the subject matter of this letter, but let's take that one step further and ask the questions why, and where and how does one proceed from a situation like this? Also, food for thought. But the author suggested the creation of a group to sponsor a forum for great mind. I belivie it may already exsist in the form of the Long Now Foundation. http://longnow.org/ -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 19 21:29:21 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:29:21 -0400 Subject: debian and nvidia drivers In-Reply-To: <20081006131416.GG22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20080928120008.2842e29d@teksavvy.com> <20081001192333.GD22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20081005230119.23f369c3@teksavvy.com> <20081006131416.GG22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20081019172921.78b4f1b3@teksavvy.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 11:01:19PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > > I got the nvidia drivers working using the installer, though I must say the > > performance is not what I experienced before on the same machine. > > Probably means it isn't installed correctly. > > > Okay, from what I read from the various howtos it looked a lot more > > complicated. I'll definitely try the packages then, but... > > It isn't complicated, and it doesn't break on upgrades the way the > nvidia installer's mess tends to. I see what you mean. After the second time an update broke my nvidia install, I relented and installed the nvidia packages. It's fairly trivial to rerun the the nvidia installer every time, but it is not optimal and I would think risky. > > Is that why I did not see them in the software installer? I have non-free > > enabled, but didn't see any nvidia packages. > > Yeah they simply aren't in lenny yet, even though they are built for > lenny. > > If you temporarily add unstable to your sources and install just the > nvidia packages, it should work, then you can remove unstable from the > sources again, or you could setup apt's pinning to favour lenny and then > leave unstable there for selective installs. Since I switched from Lenny to Testing, the drivers were in the non-free repos and installed without a hitch. As you mentioned before, the version is actually very up to date, only a few minor revisions back from where the 'official' nvidia installer is. Thanks for your advice, I must say one reason I switched to Debian was your many endorsements. -- Joe -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 19 18:20:56 2008 From: mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Marcel Gagne) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:20:56 -0400 Subject: Introducing WFTL Bytes! In-Reply-To: References: <200810181043.52235.mggagne@salmar.com> Message-ID: <200810191420.56802.mggagne@salmar.com> Hmm . . . On October 19, 2008 01:26:13 am Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Go away. > > I can not bare your stupidity. I'm guessing that what you actually mean is " can not bear" . . . so then, I should put you down as 'not liking it'. Is that right? [ insert appropriate smiley here ] -- Marcel (Writer and Free Thinker at Large) Gagn? Note: This massagee wos nat speel or gramer-checkered. Main Websites: www.marcelgagne.com AND www.cookingwithlinux.com Author of the "Moving to Linux" series of books Follow me : http://identi.ca/wftl Join the WFTL-LUG : http://www.wftl-lug.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 20 00:16:45 2008 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:16:45 -0400 Subject: How to make an app stay on top, and remove its menu bar Message-ID: <20081020001645.GB7873@waltdnes.org> I don't know if this is a Blackbox question or an X resources question. Please bear with me while I explain. I wanted a simple program-launcher. gnome-panel wants to pull in 90% of GNOME, and its KDE equivalant is just as bad. Other panel programs also seem to require a ton of libraries. That is not the Blackbox way. I finally settled on a really simple system. I named it ESPL (Extremely Simple Program Launcher). It only requires me to install xmessage, and set up 2 text files. ~/bin/espl (be sure to chmod it executable) and ~/.esplrc [d530][waltdnes][~] cat .esplrc 4NEC2X wine start c:/windows/profiles/waltdnes/Desktop/4nec2X.lnk AbiWord /usr/bin/abiword Firefox /usr/bin/firefox -width 950 -height 1100 -P default Freecell /usr/games/bin/xfreecell GIMP /usr/bin/gimp GoogleSearch /usr/bin/firefox -P default http://www.google.com gnumeric /usr/bin/gnumeric kill_mpg123 killall -9 mpg123 xterm /usr/bin/xterm -geometry 80x55 -bg black -fg cyan -fn -*-fixed-medium-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1 Wideopen_ffox /usr/bin/firefox -width 950 -height 1100 -P wideopen [d530][waltdnes][~] cat bin/espl #!/bin/bash commandline="xmessage -geometry 790x38+0-0 -buttons EXIT:1" commandarray[1]=exit buttonpointer=2 while read xlabel xcommand do commandarray[${buttonpointer}]=${xcommand} commandline="${commandline},${xlabel}:${buttonpointer}" buttonpointer=$(( ${buttonpointer} + 1 )) done < ~/.esplrc commandline="${commandline} -file /dev/null" commandpointer=0 while [[ ${commandpointer} != 1 ]] do ${commandline} commandpointer=${?} eval ${commandarray[${commandpointer}]} & done espl is launched by inserting the following line into .xinitrc ~/bin/espl & So far, so good. I have a launch bar at the bottom left of the screen that, with a click of a button, executes commands that I run often enough to want available on a launch bar. xmessage is "an ordinary application". I have 3 more wishes regarding it... 1) I want the xmessage launch bar to be "always on top". I can manually do that from blackbox, but that's kludgy. I'd like it to be automatic. 2) In order to not take up unnecessary space, I want to remove the menu bar from the xmessage window 3) On a slightly less important level, I'd like to have xmessage *NOT* show up on the applications list that pops up when I hit {ALT-TAB} I'm open to any combination of ~/.Xresources or other config files and/or environmental variables. -- Walter Dnes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 20 14:24:53 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:24:53 -0400 Subject: debian and nvidia drivers In-Reply-To: <20081019172921.78b4f1b3-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20080928120008.2842e29d@teksavvy.com> <20081001192333.GD22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20081005230119.23f369c3@teksavvy.com> <20081006131416.GG22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20081019172921.78b4f1b3@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <20081020142453.GU22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 05:29:21PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > I see what you mean. After the second time an update broke my nvidia install, > I relented and installed the nvidia packages. It's fairly trivial to rerun the > the nvidia installer every time, but it is not optimal and I would think risky. Remember: Just say no to 3rd party installers. They are a large part of why windows gets so messed up over time. > Since I switched from Lenny to Testing, the drivers were in the non-free repos > and installed without a hitch. As you mentioned before, the version is actually > very up to date, only a few minor revisions back from where the 'official' > nvidia installer is. Lenny and testing is the same thing at the moment. The drivers entered testing last week (finally). :) > Thanks for your advice, I must say one reason I switched to Debian was your > many endorsements. I have used it for almost 10 years now, which is hard to believe given how many versions of redhat I ran, not to mention slackware and SLS. I haven't seen any other distribution provide a reason for me to consider switching yet. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 20 15:02:23 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:02:23 -0400 Subject: oracle? need help with installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081020150223.GV22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 05:33:52PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > This is Oracle Express Edition 10g (a free version, for non-commercial use). > > Anybody around have some idea about that beast? I guess so. I am not > going to write to the list about technical details - that would > probably be too boring subject for most around. > > Please write to me personally. > > I am not new to servers and databases. When however I try to resolve > the problem I have by googling, I face the wall. > > Please write and I will explain in details. I have never felt the need to even look at Oracle. Now if they let someone package it up in a nice debian package, I might consider it, but it seems either that isn't allowed or no one has been nuts enough to try it yet, or I just haven't noticed it because I haven't cared to look at Oracle in the first place. Do they have documentation for it? Does it work on any distribution other than that ones they say it works on? Does it work on the ones they say it works on? -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 20 19:59:30 2008 From: william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (William Muriithi) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:59:30 -0400 Subject: oracle? need help with installation In-Reply-To: <20081020150223.GV22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20081020150223.GV22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Sorensen, > I have never felt the need to even look at Oracle. I can understand. With the number of databases around, there is no pressure at all to look at Oracle. > Now if they let someone package it up in a nice debian package, I might > consider it, but it seems either that isn't allowed or no one has been > nuts enough to try it yet, or I just haven't noticed it because I > haven't cared to look at Oracle in the first place. This will never happen. Oracle with remain only available on the two "enterprise distributions" Redhat and Suse. Nobody other than oracle can distribute it. Really annoying that even when one need download it for none commercial purpose, you have to register and accept some condition I have never cared to read. > Do they have documentation for it? Does it work on any distribution > other than that ones they say it works on? Does it work on the ones > they say it works on? Kind of responded to these questions in the previous paragraph. I would say its documented as I can find any information on it so far. You should not take my answer serious though as I can not claim to be a heavy user of Oracle. I do share your feeling about them. The most annoying thing is, if you want to join any Oracle user group, you have to pay a fee. Not that I am against paying, but it does give the group a corporate feel. When I was interested to join the group, I was job searching and did not feel like dipping in the pocket. May be its worth it though if they guarantee a response to any question. Regards, William > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 20 21:36:57 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:36:57 -0400 Subject: oracle? need help with installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > This is Oracle Express Edition 10g (a free version, for non-commercial use). > > Anybody around have some idea about that beast? I guess so. I am not > going to write to the list about technical details - that would > probably be too boring subject for most around. > > Please write to me personally. > > I am not new to servers and databases. When however I try to resolve > the problem I have by googling, I face the wall. > > Please write and I will explain in details. I'm a bit surprised that Googling *doesn't* do much good. Historically, there have been a moderate number of complications involved in doing an Oracle install, e.g., it involves a small, non-zero number of "magical incantations" to get it working. It seems surprising that the quantity would have gone up, as there is certainly a cost to such complications that may be nicely multiplied by the number of installations at each site that they sell to. An extra 8h per installation will presumably cost at least a few times that per customer, which then multiplies into the hundreds of thousands, and if you multiply by any sort of OCP DBA hourly rate, that adds up to a significant portion of the cost of an extra Samurai sword for Larry Ellison. These days, Oracle's big on having certified platforms; if you're running a "bog standard" SuSE or RHAS/RHES, I'd not expect there to be a lot not included in the instructions. And running Oracle on anything that's NOT pathologically standard would be really unwise, as you'd never get any kind of support if you did. But I daresay I haven't installed Oracle in a couple of years, so things might be different. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 20 22:37:48 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:37:48 -0400 Subject: oracle? need help with installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok, so will have some additional comments to these letters. First, regarding why I need oracle. Sure, I like postgres, I love it, not like only. But sometime we are forced to use software that otherwise we would prefer not to use. Simply, I am in a contact with people from a Very Huge Company who do quite significant development of Oracle itself. The company is from GIS industry, which is attractive to me (there is shortage of of specialists in GIS worldwide, and I do have basic experience in that field, equired in my latest workplace). So, I simply want to try that opportunity as possible direction in my future carrier. Oracle has Oracle Spatial addition, which is largely regarded as a kind of standard in GIS industry. I know, postgreSQL also has GIS extension, which is very powerful. But thats not me who decides what to use. Oracle has also Map Viewer. Oh, well, I did hear that it does not work very well, but I am very curious how it is designed, because I programmed one myself working on Firefox, and there is possibly a lot of interesting technology around that is related to the subject. Besides all that, I am simply curios, I want to see how similar or different are both database servers. Yes, documentation exists to Oracle. Here is a link to one of documents: http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/B25329_01/doc/install.102/b25144/toc.htm However, it is silly documentation. It uses language more like for Microsoft products. Reading that just irritates me. May be I could swallow it, but the point is that the documentation does not discuss all possible problems that may happen around. I am on Centos , 2.6.18-92.1.10.el5 , so it seems that a RedHat version of their installation should work right away. After installation I do have listener working (again, I had for that to create my own /etc/init.d script, which seems somewhat silly; why wouldnt they prepare one?) But I have no access to administrative web interface. And why? I have no idea. It simply does not start. Log files are short and contain for instance the following crap (what an insane path to log file!): /usr/lib/oracle/xe/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/server/log/localhost/client/css.log =============================================== [ OCRUTL][3069580992]u_set_ocr_error: Parameter was NULL 2008-07-27 15:58:59.160: [ OCROSD][3069580992]utgdv:2:ocr loc file cannot be opened 2008-07-27 15:58:59.160: [ OCROSD][3069580992]utopen:1: Couldnt find ocr,[ocrmirror] location in config file [ OCRUTL][3069580992]u_set_gbl_comp_error: Parameter was NULL 2008-07-27 15:58:59.160: [ OCRRAW][3069580992]proprinit: Could not open raw device 2008-07-27 15:58:59.160: [ default][3069580992]a_init:7!: Backend init unsuccessful : [33] [ OCRUTL][3069580992]u_set_ocr_error: Parameter was NULL 2008-07-27 15:58:59.160: [ CSSCLNT][3069580992]clsssinit: error(33 ) in OCR initialization ========================================= What is that OCR? No, googling did not help me much... zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 21 04:08:44 2008 From: asafmaruf-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Asaf Maruf) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:08:44 -0400 Subject: oracle? need help with installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49e826e90810202108h7eccaca8p9c2f0094f1602c25@mail.gmail.com> Hello This is one of the most detailed Oracle on Linux installation guides for some time now. http://www.puschitz.com/OracleOnLinux.shtml Asaf On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Ok, so will have some additional comments to these letters. > > First, regarding why I need oracle. Sure, I like postgres, I love it, > not like only. But sometime we are forced to use software that > otherwise we would prefer not to use. Simply, I am in a contact with > people from a Very Huge Company who do quite significant development > of Oracle itself. The company is from GIS industry, which is > attractive to me (there is shortage of of specialists in GIS > worldwide, and I do have basic experience in that field, equired in my > latest workplace). So, I simply want to try that opportunity as > possible direction in my future carrier. > > Oracle has Oracle Spatial addition, which is largely regarded as a > kind of standard in GIS industry. I know, postgreSQL also has GIS > extension, which is very powerful. But thats not me who decides what > to use. > > Oracle has also Map Viewer. Oh, well, I did hear that it does not work > very well, but I am very curious how it is designed, because I > programmed one myself working on Firefox, and there is possibly a lot > of interesting technology around that is related to the subject. > > Besides all that, I am simply curios, I want to see how similar or > different are both database servers. > > Yes, documentation exists to Oracle. Here is a link to one of documents: > http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/B25329_01/doc/install.102/b25144/toc.htm > > However, it is silly documentation. It uses language more like for > Microsoft products. Reading that just irritates me. May be I could > swallow it, but the point is that the documentation does not discuss > all possible problems that may happen around. > > I am on Centos , 2.6.18-92.1.10.el5 , so it seems that a RedHat > version of their installation should work right away. > > After installation I do have listener working (again, I had for that > to create my own /etc/init.d script, which seems somewhat silly; why > wouldnt they prepare one?) > > But I have no access to administrative web interface. And why? I have > no idea. It simply does not start. Log files are short and contain for > instance the following crap (what an insane path to log file!): > > > /usr/lib/oracle/xe/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/server/log/localhost/client/css.log > > =============================================== > [ OCRUTL][3069580992]u_set_ocr_error: Parameter was NULL > 2008-07-27 15:58:59.160: [ OCROSD][3069580992]utgdv:2:ocr loc file > cannot be opened > 2008-07-27 15:58:59.160: [ OCROSD][3069580992]utopen:1: Couldnt find > ocr,[ocrmirror] location in > config file > [ OCRUTL][3069580992]u_set_gbl_comp_error: Parameter was NULL > 2008-07-27 15:58:59.160: [ OCRRAW][3069580992]proprinit: Could not > open raw device > 2008-07-27 15:58:59.160: [ default][3069580992]a_init:7!: Backend init > unsuccessful : [33] > [ OCRUTL][3069580992]u_set_ocr_error: Parameter was NULL > 2008-07-27 15:58:59.160: [ CSSCLNT][3069580992]clsssinit: error(33 ) > in OCR initialization > ========================================= > > > What is that OCR? No, googling did not help me much... > > zb. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- 40 isn't old. If you're a tree. LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/asafmaruf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 21 07:18:16 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:18:16 -0400 Subject: ms globla anti-piracy campaign Message-ID: <20081021031816.371379ac@teksavvy.com> Microsoft is launching a massive, global assault on piracy, because as we all know, it is wrong to steal someone else's idea and profit from... waitaminnit. http://tinyurl.com/638fto With that glaring irony in mind, I wonder if one could compile a list of the IP crimes of Microsoft itself and submit it to their helpful snitch line: http://www.howtotell.com/ -- Joe -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 21 11:17:23 2008 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:17:23 -0400 Subject: ms globla anti-piracy campaign In-Reply-To: <20081021031816.371379ac-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20081021031816.371379ac@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <48FDBA43.5080909@telly.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 JoeHill wrote: > Microsoft is launching a massive, global assault on piracy, because > as we all know, it is wrong to steal someone else's idea and profit > from... > > waitaminnit. > > http://tinyurl.com/638fto I choose to cheer such efforts rather than to sneer at it. The more successful Microsoft is at fighting piracy, the more people be forced to evaluate their products on value, and the better open source looks by comparison. That doesn't mean that everyone will switch, but it certainly makes for a fairer comparison. In many cases in the past, MS has turned a blind eye to piracy in many countries in the knowledge that it seeds the market, starts the dependency cycle, and inhibits the growth of challengers. (ie, "your first toke is free"). One can only hope that their financials are forcing them to go after illegal use, and that (coupled with the rampant success of Vista) can only help the spread of Linux and other open source software. - - Evan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFI/bpDB6WWYxnsgmwRAiYhAKCPgd+JN+dBpoG67XCxbXsFqErDVQCgsqG7 hPIHwLdm/G0SO5msXoWuk/M= =FTXV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 21 15:11:33 2008 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:11:33 -0400 Subject: ms globla anti-piracy campaign In-Reply-To: <48FDBA43.5080909-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <20081021031816.371379ac@teksavvy.com> <48FDBA43.5080909@telly.org> Message-ID: <48FDF125.9010102@sympatico.ca> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > JoeHill wrote: > >> Microsoft is launching a massive, global assault on piracy, because >> as we all know, it is wrong to steal someone else's idea and profit >> from... >> >> waitaminnit. >> >> http://tinyurl.com/638fto >> > > I choose to cheer such efforts rather than to sneer at it. The more > successful Microsoft is at fighting piracy, the more people be forced > to evaluate their products on value, and the better open source looks > by comparison. > > That doesn't mean that everyone will switch, but it certainly makes > for a fairer comparison. > > In many cases in the past, MS has turned a blind eye to piracy in many > countries in the knowledge that it seeds the market, starts the > dependency cycle, and inhibits the growth of challengers. (ie, "your > first toke is free"). One can only hope that their financials are > forcing them to go after illegal use, and that (coupled with the > rampant success of Vista) can only help the spread of Linux and other > open source software. > > - - Evan > Regardless of their present efforts, MS' hypocrisy still deserves exposing and even exploiting. If that takes some sneering, so be it. Whatever works. But it'll take a lot more than that too. The spread of Linux and other open source software isn't going to happen by sitting around waiting for people to get fed up with MS. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colinpdavidson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 21 15:53:27 2008 From: colinpdavidson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (colin davidson) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:53:27 -0400 Subject: : In-Reply-To: References: <20081020193449.8DD6822C8033@altsoftware.com> Message-ID: Yeh, sorry about that. I sent before thinking then had an "Oh S***!" moment. Not dropping off, BTW, just readjusting mail account usage and getting LUG off my work account. 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URL: From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 21 18:46:31 2008 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:46:31 -0400 Subject: ms globla anti-piracy campaign In-Reply-To: <48FDF125.9010102-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20081021031816.371379ac@teksavvy.com> <48FDBA43.5080909@telly.org> <48FDF125.9010102@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <48FE2387.9070705@rogers.com> John Moniz wrote: > The spread of Linux and other open source software isn't going to happen by sitting > around waiting for people to get fed up with MS. Actually that may happen given the current economic crisis in the world and the advent of netbooks. It occurred to me as well, I'm sure, a lot of you that a netbook that is powered by linux will have an upgrade path while one powered by Win XP will not. This is a distinct disadvantage for a company like Microsoft whose business model is based on its client base buying into a continuous upgrade cycle. In this economic crisis ( which is expected to last a couple of years) how will owners of Win XP based netbooks react when they realize that they can't extend the life of their machines through an upgrade, can't afford to buy new, and that they have in fact been Zuned again by Microsoft. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 21 18:54:11 2008 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:54:11 -0400 Subject: ms globla anti-piracy campaign In-Reply-To: <48FE2387.9070705-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20081021031816.371379ac@teksavvy.com> <48FDBA43.5080909@telly.org> <48FDF125.9010102@sympatico.ca> <48FE2387.9070705@rogers.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0810211154u5e03875at4b8e576f96ce9074@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:46 PM, John McGregor wrote: > John Moniz wrote: >> >> The spread of Linux and other open source software isn't going to happen >> by sitting around waiting for people to get fed up with MS. > > Actually that may happen given the current economic crisis in the world and > the advent of netbooks. It occurred to me as well, I'm sure, a lot of you > that a netbook that is powered by linux will have an upgrade path while one > powered by Win XP will not. This is a distinct disadvantage for a company > like Microsoft whose business model is based on its client base buying into > a continuous upgrade cycle. In this economic crisis ( which is expected to > last a couple of years) how will owners of Win XP based netbooks react when > they realize that they can't extend the life of their machines through an > upgrade, can't afford to buy new, and that they have in fact been Zuned > again by Microsoft. Agreed. It seems to me that as time passes there are only ever more reasons to switch. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 21 19:17:21 2008 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:17:21 -0400 Subject: ms globla anti-piracy campaign In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0810211154u5e03875at4b8e576f96ce9074-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20081021031816.371379ac@teksavvy.com> <48FDBA43.5080909@telly.org> <48FDF125.9010102@sympatico.ca> <48FE2387.9070705@rogers.com> <99a6c38f0810211154u5e03875at4b8e576f96ce9074@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FE2AC1.9080306@sympatico.ca> Scott Elcomb wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:46 PM, John McGregor wrote: > >> John Moniz wrote: >> >>> The spread of Linux and other open source software isn't going to happen >>> by sitting around waiting for people to get fed up with MS. >>> >> Actually that may happen given the current economic crisis in the world and >> the advent of netbooks. It occurred to me as well, I'm sure, a lot of you >> that a netbook that is powered by linux will have an upgrade path while one >> powered by Win XP will not. This is a distinct disadvantage for a company >> like Microsoft whose business model is based on its client base buying into >> a continuous upgrade cycle. In this economic crisis ( which is expected to >> last a couple of years) how will owners of Win XP based netbooks react when >> they realize that they can't extend the life of their machines through an >> upgrade, can't afford to buy new, and that they have in fact been Zuned >> again by Microsoft. >> > > Agreed. It seems to me that as time passes there are only ever more > reasons to switch. Before you switch, you need to know what options are available and what the impact will be. People still don't know much about Linux. I'd say most people still think that switching away from MS just means switching to Apple. With the exception of a few products such as Firefox, which is available for MS Windows anyway, the promotion of Linux and open source has been one of "wait until they discover us...". There were those great IBM Linux commercials a while back, too bad there hasn't been more of that sort of thing. Maybe it's been more prominent in business IT circles, but not with the masses who would use fancy desktops. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 21 19:25:47 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:25:47 -0400 Subject: Media Players In-Reply-To: <094d01c933a0$9ffece30$dffc6a90$@com> References: <094d01c933a0$9ffece30$dffc6a90$@com> Message-ID: <20081021192547.GW22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 01:15:31PM -0400, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Does anyone know if these devices are based off mythtv? > > http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct > id=516.863> &cmd=pd&pid=017696&cid=516.863 I am almost completely certain that it is not. It is most likely just using some codec chip that supports a lot of formats with some interface for browsing available files and sending them to the codec for display. The firmware is less than 4MB, so it sure isn't mythtv. It is Linux based however, using a 2.4 kernel by the looks of it, probable an ARM. They appear to fail to provide the source code anywhere on their website however. In fact searching their support forum, they seem to be failing miserably at GPL compliance in fact. They also appear to not care. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 21 19:28:14 2008 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:28:14 -0400 Subject: Media Players In-Reply-To: <094d01c933a0$9ffece30$dffc6a90$@com> References: <094d01c933a0$9ffece30$dffc6a90$@com> Message-ID: On 10/21/08, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Hello all, > > Does anyone know if these devices are based off mythtv? > > http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct > id=516.863> &cmd=pd&pid=017696&cid=516.863 A quick search on Google turns up nothing of any value re: the above units and MythTV... Your best bet for a better answer to this question would be to ask it on the mythtv-users mailing list. Details of the mythtv-users list can be seen here: www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users Warning, the mythtv-users mailing list does tend to be fairly high volume, 100+ messages a day is not unusual.... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 21 19:30:10 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:30:10 -0400 Subject: ms globla anti-piracy campaign In-Reply-To: <48FE2AC1.9080306-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20081021031816.371379ac@teksavvy.com> <48FDBA43.5080909@telly.org> <48FDF125.9010102@sympatico.ca> <48FE2387.9070705@rogers.com> <99a6c38f0810211154u5e03875at4b8e576f96ce9074@mail.gmail.com> <48FE2AC1.9080306@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <32f6a8880810211230g17ab0375ib5bf8a3604f91b30@mail.gmail.com> I've been seeing some promoting of linux on some Tech TV shows lately. (For example Pizza Pizza TV Commercials, and I think a subway ad on the tv screens as well) On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:17 PM, John Moniz wrote: > Scott Elcomb wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:46 PM, John McGregor >> wrote: >> >>> >>> John Moniz wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> The spread of Linux and other open source software isn't going to happen >>>> by sitting around waiting for people to get fed up with MS. >>>> >>> >>> Actually that may happen given the current economic crisis in the world >>> and >>> the advent of netbooks. It occurred to me as well, I'm sure, a lot of you >>> that a netbook that is powered by linux will have an upgrade path while >>> one >>> powered by Win XP will not. This is a distinct disadvantage for a company >>> like Microsoft whose business model is based on its client base buying >>> into >>> a continuous upgrade cycle. In this economic crisis ( which is expected >>> to >>> last a couple of years) how will owners of Win XP based netbooks react >>> when >>> they realize that they can't extend the life of their machines through an >>> upgrade, can't afford to buy new, and that they have in fact been Zuned >>> again by Microsoft. >>> >> >> Agreed. It seems to me that as time passes there are only ever more >> reasons to switch. > > Before you switch, you need to know what options are available and what the > impact will be. People still don't know much about Linux. I'd say most > people still think that switching away from MS just means switching to > Apple. With the exception of a few products such as Firefox, which is > available for MS Windows anyway, the promotion of Linux and open source has > been one of "wait until they discover us...". There were those great IBM > Linux commercials a while back, too bad there hasn't been more of that sort > of thing. Maybe it's been more prominent in business IT circles, but not > with the masses who would use fancy desktops. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The man who is always a newbie at something, Dave Germiquet Everytime I learn something new, I realize I know very little. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From gwalsh-BSvtlmuW8nk at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 21 20:46:04 2008 From: gwalsh-BSvtlmuW8nk at public.gmane.org (Gary Walsh) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:46:04 -0400 Subject: Media Players In-Reply-To: <20081021192547.GW22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <094d01c933a0$9ffece30$dffc6a90$@com> <20081021192547.GW22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1224621964.6351.18.camel@shuttle> On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 15:25 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > It is Linux based however, using a 2.4 kernel by the looks of it, > probable an ARM. They appear to fail to provide the source code > anywhere on their website however. In fact searching their support > forum, they seem to be failing miserably at GPL compliance in fact. > They also appear to not care. > A old post on avsforum says that the OS is uClinux and the media chip is made by sigma designs. -- Gary Walsh; Kitchener, Ontario, Canada gwalsh-BSvtlmuW8nk at public.gmane.org My Blog: http://gwalsh.notw.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 21 21:24:52 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:24:52 -0400 Subject: Media Players In-Reply-To: <1224621964.6351.18.camel@shuttle> References: <094d01c933a0$9ffece30$dffc6a90$@com> <20081021192547.GW22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1224621964.6351.18.camel@shuttle> Message-ID: <20081021212452.GX22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:46:04PM -0400, Gary Walsh wrote: > A old post on avsforum says that the OS is uClinux and the media chip is > made by sigma designs. Yep it is, and the sources are not released either. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 21 21:49:12 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Media Players In-Reply-To: <20081021212452.GX22850-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <094d01c933a0$9ffece30$dffc6a90$@com> <20081021192547.GW22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1224621964.6351.18.camel@shuttle> <20081021212452.GX22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Lennart Sorensen | Yep it is, and the sources are not released either. Does anyone know what kind of enforcement a copyright holder could expect or request? (I don't have a copyright on the Linux Kernel.) I read about raids by police on places selling pirated DVDs. But I think copyright enforcement is civil. So I'm confused. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 21 22:36:45 2008 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:36:45 -0400 Subject: Media Players In-Reply-To: References: <094d01c933a0$9ffece30$dffc6a90$@com> <20081021192547.GW22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1224621964.6351.18.camel@shuttle> <20081021212452.GX22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > Does anyone know what kind of enforcement a copyright holder could > expect or request? (I don't have a copyright on the Linux Kernel.) > > I read about raids by police on places selling pirated DVDs. But I > think copyright enforcement is civil. So I'm confused. AFAIK this is work that The Software Freedom Law Center does. Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 22 01:58:31 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Media Players In-Reply-To: References: <094d01c933a0$9ffece30$dffc6a90$@com> <20081021192547.GW22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1224621964.6351.18.camel@shuttle> <20081021212452.GX22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: | From: Mel Wilson | | D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | > Does anyone know what kind of enforcement a copyright holder could | > expect or request? (I don't have a copyright on the Linux Kernel.) | AFAIK this is work that The Software Freedom Law Center | does. Different country, different laws, different enforcement. At least for now. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 22 02:12:54 2008 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:12:54 -0400 Subject: Media Players In-Reply-To: References: <094d01c933a0$9ffece30$dffc6a90$@com> <20081021192547.GW22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1224621964.6351.18.camel@shuttle> <20081021212452.GX22850@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <48FE8C26.3090804@ss.org> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Mel Wilson > | > | D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | > Does anyone know what kind of enforcement a copyright holder could > | > expect or request? (I don't have a copyright on the Linux Kernel.) > > | AFAIK this is work that The Software Freedom Law Center > | does. > > Different country, different laws, different enforcement. At least > for now. > Bradley M. Kuhn of The Software Freedom Law Center will be in Toronto for Onataio Linux Fest. An I recall it being mention on Slashdot about how they'll go to trade shows handing out notices of GPL violation. Maybe some one could find him at the show and let him know about this company. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 23 17:34:08 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:34:08 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Last Call for Ontario Linux Fest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This came to me; thought it would be of interest... GTALUG is having a booth at this event, on Saturday; there's a pretty good set of talks that I am looking forward to. This is certainly the "premier" Linux users event in this region for the year; I hope to see many of you there! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:41 PM Subject: Last Call for Ontario Linux Fest To: john-Q2zETkUEcRyw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Hi Everyone, The deadline for on-line registration and on-line payment is quickly approaching. I can delay the cut-off by until 5pm this evening. That should give us enough time to process, print and prepare the badges. If you need to register, pay or complete your survey go to http://onlinux.ca/register and follow your nose. I hope to see as many of you there as possible. I'm looking forward to the parties and the great sessions we have lined up. The schedule can be seen on-line at http://onlinux.ca/dayschedule . For more information (if you've been hiding under a rock) go to http://onlinux.ca . -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 23 20:32:07 2008 From: icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (bob 295) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:32:07 -0400 Subject: OpenOffice.org 3.0 on DVD for a non profit I volunteer for Message-ID: <200810231632.09343.icanprogram@295.ca> I volunteer some of my time for the Halton Residential Solar Project. This group wants to use OpenOffice.org as their office/database suite. They have several Gatesware machines that they want to install OpenOffice.org on. Does anyone know a local place where this group could purchase an OpenOffice.org 3.0 DVD? or they stuck with downloading that huge file to each machine? Thanks in advance. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 23 20:25:40 2008 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:25:40 -0400 Subject: OpenOffice.org 3.0 on DVD for a non profit I volunteer for In-Reply-To: <200810231632.09343.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <200810231632.09343.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <200810231625.40575.glayng@sympatico.ca> Once OO.o has been downloaded onto a single Windows machine, even if it's not one of the Project's machines, the install file can be copied from that machine's desktop onto a USB stick. You can then copy it onto each Project machine's desktop that way. Then you can run Install whenever you're ready. If no USB drive available, the alternative I can think of is to burn it to a CD or DVD, but I'm not certain as to its actual size vs. a CD's capacity. On Thursday 23 October 2008 16:32, bob 295 wrote: > I volunteer some of my time for the Halton Residential Solar Project. > This group wants to use OpenOffice.org as their office/database suite. > They have several Gatesware machines that they want to install > OpenOffice.org on. > > Does anyone know a local place where this group could purchase an > OpenOffice.org 3.0 DVD? or they stuck with downloading that huge file to > each machine? > > Thanks in advance. > > bob > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- there's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 23 20:37:48 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:37:48 -0400 Subject: OpenOffice.org 3.0 on DVD for a non profit I volunteer for In-Reply-To: <200810231632.09343.icanprogram-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org> References: <200810231632.09343.icanprogram@295.ca> Message-ID: <4900E09C.8020705@rogers.com> bob 295 wrote: > I volunteer some of my time for the Halton Residential Solar Project. This > group wants to use OpenOffice.org as their office/database suite. They > have several Gatesware machines that they want to install OpenOffice.org on. > > Does anyone know a local place where this group could purchase an > OpenOffice.org 3.0 DVD? or they stuck with downloading that huge file to > each machine? > > You only have to download once and then share that one copy among as many systems as you wish. You can copy the download file to a USB drive, CD or share across the network. If you wish, you can even give them a CD to take home. You might also want to introduce them to Firefox & Thunderbird or Seamonkey, for email & browser. -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From teddy-5sHjOODPK7E at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 23 20:46:09 2008 From: teddy-5sHjOODPK7E at public.gmane.org (teddy) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:46:09 -0400 Subject: SneakerNet In-Reply-To: <4900E09C.8020705-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200810231632.09343.icanprogram@295.ca> <4900E09C.8020705@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4900E291.1060503@tmis.ca> Much like other P2P projects, I think every major city in the world should setup a downtown office. Where you can go in and get any Torrent or Application available on the Internet. What would you rather do? Pick up some free CDs/DVDs or saturate your Internet and downloading 1TB of DVDs? Perhaps better is an unoffical MEETUP group... Only thing you need ia a catchy name...and some basic rules /teddy James Knott wrote: > bob 295 wrote: > >> I volunteer some of my time for the Halton Residential Solar Project. This >> group wants to use OpenOffice.org as their office/database suite. They >> have several Gatesware machines that they want to install OpenOffice.org on. >> >> Does anyone know a local place where this group could purchase an >> OpenOffice.org 3.0 DVD? or they stuck with downloading that huge file to >> each machine? >> >> >> > > You only have to download once and then share that one copy among as > many systems as you wish. You can copy the download file to a USB > drive, CD or share across the network. If you wish, you can even give > them a CD to take home. You might also want to introduce them to > Firefox & Thunderbird or Seamonkey, for email & browser. > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 23 20:48:36 2008 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:48:36 -0400 Subject: SneakerNet In-Reply-To: <4900E291.1060503-5sHjOODPK7E@public.gmane.org> References: <200810231632.09343.icanprogram@295.ca> <4900E09C.8020705@rogers.com> <4900E291.1060503@tmis.ca> Message-ID: <4900E324.40601@utoronto.ca> teddy wrote: > > Much like other P2P projects, I think every major city in the world > should setup a downtown office. > Where you can go in and get any Torrent or Application available on the > Internet. > > What would you rather do? > Pick up some free CDs/DVDs or saturate your Internet and downloading 1TB > of DVDs? > > Perhaps better is an unoffical MEETUP group... > > Only thing you need ia a catchy name...and some basic rules In Toronto that office has a catchy name, "linuxcaffe" :p Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 23 22:06:36 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:06:36 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Last Call for Ontario Linux Fest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32f6a8880810231506u6b79e460i19eb19a785e0cfe1@mail.gmail.com> Crap, I just got this email now :( Anyway I can sign up or am I stuck at the door... The sessions im interested in is this: Open Solaris/Squishing Bugs/Shell as a programming language.... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 23 22:19:06 2008 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SneakerNet In-Reply-To: <4900E324.40601-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200810231632.09343.icanprogram@295.ca> <4900E09C.8020705@rogers.com> <4900E291.1060503@tmis.ca> <4900E324.40601@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 2008, Jamon Camisso wrote: > teddy wrote: >> >> Much like other P2P projects, I think every major city in the world >> should setup a downtown office. >> Where you can go in and get any Torrent or Application available on the >> Internet. >> >> What would you rather do? >> Pick up some free CDs/DVDs or saturate your Internet and downloading 1TB >> of DVDs? >> >> Perhaps better is an unoffical MEETUP group... >> >> Only thing you need ia a catchy name...and some basic rules > > In Toronto that office has a catchy name, "linuxcaffe" :p And in the east end, I have a store at Woodbine and Gerrard. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 23 23:26:03 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:26:03 -0400 Subject: oracle? need help with installation In-Reply-To: <49e826e90810202108h7eccaca8p9c2f0094f1602c25-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <49e826e90810202108h7eccaca8p9c2f0094f1602c25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Asaf. I had a look to these pages but they seem to be outdated. I mean - there is a lot there that is useful to learn, but the latest version differs much in installation. I actually make a progress. My biggest fault was that when I did installation I answered that I do not want oracle to start at boot time. In result I fall into the Hell itself. After reinstalling, and answering that I want oracle to start at boot time, things look promising. Oh, well... thats how things work here ;( I have been punished for showing some initiative and attempting to think on my own. Unfortunately, thats so common around. zb. > This is one of the most detailed Oracle on Linux installation guides for > some time now. > > http://www.puschitz.com/OracleOnLinux.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 24 12:28:13 2008 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:28:13 -0400 Subject: SneakerNet In-Reply-To: <4900E291.1060503-5sHjOODPK7E@public.gmane.org> References: <200810231632.09343.icanprogram@295.ca> <4900E09C.8020705@rogers.com> <4900E291.1060503@tmis.ca> Message-ID: <002601c935d3$fcbf3210$f63d9630$@com> Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. -Tanenbaum, Andrew S. (1996). > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of teddy > Sent: October 23, 2008 4:46 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: [TLUG]: SneakerNet > > > Much like other P2P projects, I think every major city in the world > should setup a downtown office. > Where you can go in and get any Torrent or Application available on the > Internet. > > What would you rather do? > Pick up some free CDs/DVDs or saturate your Internet and downloading > 1TB > of DVDs? > > Perhaps better is an unoffical MEETUP group... > > Only thing you need ia a catchy name...and some basic rules > > /teddy > > > > > > > > James Knott wrote: > > bob 295 wrote: > > > >> I volunteer some of my time for the Halton Residential Solar > Project. This > >> group wants to use OpenOffice.org as their office/database suite. > They > >> have several Gatesware machines that they want to install > OpenOffice.org on. > >> > >> Does anyone know a local place where this group could purchase an > >> OpenOffice.org 3.0 DVD? or they stuck with downloading that huge > file to > >> each machine? > >> > >> > >> > > > > You only have to download once and then share that one copy among as > > many systems as you wish. You can copy the download file to a USB > > drive, CD or share across the network. If you wish, you can even > give > > them a CD to take home. You might also want to introduce them to > > Firefox & Thunderbird or Seamonkey, for email & browser. > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Oct 24 13:00:02 2008 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:00:02 -0400 Subject: SneakerNet In-Reply-To: <002601c935d3$fcbf3210$f63d9630$@com> References: <200810231632.09343.icanprogram@295.ca> <4900E09C.8020705@rogers.com> <4900E291.1060503@tmis.ca> <002601c935d3$fcbf3210$f63d9630$@com> Message-ID: On 10/24/08, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling > down the highway. -Tanenbaum, Andrew S. (1996). True the bandwidth of the above is incredible, but the latency sucks :-) . Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Sat Oct 25 19:07:52 2008 From: jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Board election results. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61382.192.30.202.22.1224961672.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> > As was noted at the October GTALug general meeting, here are the > results for the GTALug board elections: > > Myles Braithwaite - 8 > David Collier-Brown - 4 > David J Patrick - 5 > Jeff E. Pikul - 3 > > The top two candidates are board members for the next two years. > > Colin McGregor So who are the board members for the next two years ? The top two in the list are: > Myles Braithwaite - 8 > David Collier-Brown - 4 but the top two by votes are: > Myles Braithwaite - 8 > David J Patrick - 5 So one of the two board members will be Myles Braithwaite, but who will the other be ? Jim. ++++ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Oct 25 23:00:34 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:00:34 -0400 Subject: disabling speaker Message-ID: Just a few impressions related to the subject. So what am I supposed to do when watching porno movies when all that sound goes also to PC speaker? I googled the subject. No wise advise. I mean there is a lot, but it looks that stupid because they did not help at all. It seems that Linux does not have a way to disable PC speaker! OK, there is one way I implemented: I opened computer and pulled out speaker cables from where they are connected. It works! ;) zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 26 13:02:57 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:02:57 -0400 Subject: SneakerNet In-Reply-To: References: <200810231632.09343.icanprogram@295.ca> <4900E09C.8020705@rogers.com> <4900E291.1060503@tmis.ca> <002601c935d3$fcbf3210$f63d9630$@com> Message-ID: <49046A81.90805@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > On 10/24/08, Ansar Mohammed wrote: > >> Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling >> down the highway. -Tanenbaum, Andrew S. (1996). >> > > True the bandwidth of the above is incredible, but the latency sucks :-) . > > Not to long ago, I was reading about that LHC at Cern, which will produce so much data (about 1.25 GB/s), that it's faster to distribute it via physical media than over the internet! -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 26 14:11:17 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:11:17 -0400 Subject: project: blogging software Message-ID: <20081026101117.28f804a9@teksavvy.com> My daughter wants to set something up wherein her and her friends from school can share thing they've written or photos or videos, so I was thinking this would be a good opportunity for me to learn how to set something like this up, and also to keep her away from pathological cultures like MySpace ;) I'm hoping someone can recommend something that is relatively simple but would give me at least a beginning idea of how these things are set up from an admin point of view. -- Joe -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 26 15:56:58 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:56:58 -0400 Subject: project: blogging software In-Reply-To: <20081026101117.28f804a9-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20081026101117.28f804a9@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <20081026155658.GA25963@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:11:17AM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > >My daughter wants to set something up wherein her and her friends from school >can share thing they've written or photos or videos, so I was thinking this >would be a good opportunity for me to learn how to set something like this up, >and also to keep her away from pathological cultures like MySpace ;) > >I'm hoping someone can recommend something that is relatively simple but would >give me at least a beginning idea of how these things are set up from an admin >point of view. I'm administering more than a dozen wordpress blogs right now, and find it to be pretty good software. You can set it up with multiple authors very easily, and it tends to work well. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 26 16:55:05 2008 From: joehill-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:55:05 -0400 Subject: project: blogging software In-Reply-To: <20081026155658.GA25963-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20081026101117.28f804a9@teksavvy.com> <20081026155658.GA25963@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20081026125505.2af303eb@teksavvy.com> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:11:17AM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > > > >My daughter wants to set something up wherein her and her friends from school > >can share thing they've written or photos or videos, so I was thinking this > >would be a good opportunity for me to learn how to set something like this > >up, and also to keep her away from pathological cultures like MySpace ;) > > > >I'm hoping someone can recommend something that is relatively simple but > >would give me at least a beginning idea of how these things are set up from > >an admin point of view. > > I'm administering more than a dozen wordpress blogs right now, and find > it to be pretty good software. You can set it up with multiple authors > very easily, and it tends to work well. That does look pretty slick. Also, I've been looking over the documentation for setting up Wordpress with MySQL, and it looks pretty simple to follow. They seem to take great pride in making this fairly easy to set up. Is there a strong reason to go with the Wordpress installation, or am I okay using the Debian packages? -- Joe -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 26 17:27:08 2008 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:27:08 -0400 Subject: project: blogging software In-Reply-To: <20081026125505.2af303eb-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20081026101117.28f804a9@teksavvy.com> <20081026155658.GA25963@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20081026125505.2af303eb@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <20081026172708.GA26457@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:55:05PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:11:17AM -0400, JoeHill wrote: >> >I'm hoping someone can recommend something that is relatively simple but >> >would give me at least a beginning idea of how these things are set up from >> >an admin point of view. >> >> I'm administering more than a dozen wordpress blogs right now, and find >> it to be pretty good software. You can set it up with multiple authors >> very easily, and it tends to work well. > >That does look pretty slick. Also, I've been looking over the documentation for >setting up Wordpress with MySQL, and it looks pretty simple to follow. They >seem to take great pride in making this fairly easy to set up. > >Is there a strong reason to go with the Wordpress installation, or am I okay >using the Debian packages? I use the WordPress files, because Debian's strength is stability, whereas WordPress moves ridiculously fast, and there are occasional security things that you need to get on top of. Tracking WordPress about two weeks behind their releases works well. The problem is that the number of WP blogs is *HUGE* so there is a high-profile attack vector there. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 26 19:16:36 2008 From: scott-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Scott Sullivan) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:16:36 -0400 Subject: Board election results. In-Reply-To: <61382.192.30.202.22.1224961672.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0ct5LIneo90w@public.gmane.org> References: <61382.192.30.202.22.1224961672.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> Message-ID: <4904C214.4000302@ss.org> jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org wrote: >> As was noted at the October GTALug general meeting, here are the >> results for the GTALug board elections: >> >> Myles Braithwaite - 8 >> David Collier-Brown - 4 >> David J Patrick - 5 >> Jeff E. Pikul - 3 >> >> The top two candidates are board members for the next two years. >> >> Colin McGregor >> > > > So who are the board members for the next two years ? > > The top two in the list are: > > >> Myles Braithwaite - 8 >> David Collier-Brown - 4 >> > > but the top two by votes are: > > >> Myles Braithwaite - 8 >> David J Patrick - 5 >> > > So one of the two board members will be Myles Braithwaite, but who will > the other be ? > > > Jim. > ++++ > The Confusion you experiacning is result of the list being an nomination order, the votes were then counted and placed next to the names. Since it's votes that count, the board memebers are: Myles Braithwaite - 8 David J Patrick - 5 Thank you for play'n "Messing with Conventions!!!!" See you next Year for this fabulous game show. -- Scott Sullivan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 26 20:38:05 2008 From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:38:05 -0400 Subject: project: blogging software In-Reply-To: <20081026101117.28f804a9-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20081026101117.28f804a9@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <49049CED.18199.41BB26@sciguy.vex.net> You can download a Wordpress-style blog and plop it on to your website in minutes. It is a standalone blog written in PHP, so there will be little interference from "pathological" cultures. It is also open source. I have one that had I set up for a laugh (I'm not writing anything in it at the moment) and to actually help teach myself PHP. It is at http://hackingphp.alimentarus.net You will notice that there are no links to other blogs and no way for them to get to me. I log in, I write my stuff, and I log off. I can make my posts private or public. Paul King > > My daughter wants to set something up wherein her and her friends from > school > can share thing they've written or photos or videos, so I was thinking this > would be a good opportunity for me to learn how to set something like this > up, > and also to keep her away from pathological cultures like MySpace ;) > > I'm hoping someone can recommend something that is relatively simple but > would > give me at least a beginning idea of how these things are set up from an > admin > point of view. > > -- > Joe > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 3557 (20081026) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Oct 26 21:55:51 2008 From: davegermiquet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Dave Germiquet) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:55:51 -0400 Subject: OT: Looking for Course for Windows for resume to co-inside with my Linux knowledge Message-ID: <32f6a8880810261455m28bb2663n6e1263452c36bb1a@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys, I'm currently looking to expand my knowledge of Windows which won't go too slow and I can get something out of it. The reason is that many jobs now require Windows as well as Unix background. Can anyone make any suggestions of courses to look at? I'm sorry if this is not linux related however I believe alot of technical people on this list may be able to help me out. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 02:10:55 2008 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:10:55 -0400 Subject: project: blogging software In-Reply-To: <20081026101117.28f804a9-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20081026101117.28f804a9@teksavvy.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0810261910w1655010fnff8ad7d3a6e3ebcc@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:11 AM, JoeHill wrote: > > My daughter wants to set something up wherein her and her friends from school > can share thing they've written or photos or videos, so I was thinking this > would be a good opportunity for me to learn how to set something like this up, > and also to keep her away from pathological cultures like MySpace ;) > > I'm hoping someone can recommend something that is relatively simple but would > give me at least a beginning idea of how these things are set up from an admin > point of view. I've tried Wordpress and a number of other blogging and found them a little lacking. Recently however I started playing around with b2evolution and have to admit I'm quite impressed. I can't speak to any installation woes as my hosting provider has automated the process but it looks fairly straightforward (Apache, PHP, and MySQL IIRC) While I use only a very small portion of the functionality it seems that b2e could easily cover your needs. Best of luck! - Scott. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 02:13:40 2008 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:13:40 -0400 Subject: Board election results. In-Reply-To: <4904C214.4000302-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org> References: <61382.192.30.202.22.1224961672.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> <4904C214.4000302@ss.org> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0810261913h63cd1e44y5dab44d440351dc2@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Scott Sullivan wrote: > The Confusion you experiacning is result of the list being an nomination > order, the votes were then counted and placed next to the names. Since it's > votes that count, the board memebers are: > > Myles Braithwaite - 8 > David J Patrick - 5 Congrats to both. :-) > Thank you for play'n "Messing with Conventions!!!!" See you next Year for > this fabulous game show. But remember: No Whammies! =) -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 02:14:54 2008 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:14:54 -0400 Subject: OT: Looking for Course for Windows for resume to co-inside with my Linux knowledge In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880810261455m28bb2663n6e1263452c36bb1a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880810261455m28bb2663n6e1263452c36bb1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <046001c937d9$cdd37cb0$697a7610$@com> https://msevents.microsoft.com/cui/default.aspx?culture=en-US the webcasts are pretty good for a free starter > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Dave > Germiquet > Sent: October 26, 2008 5:56 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: [TLUG]: OT: Looking for Course for Windows for resume to co- > inside with my Linux knowledge > > Hi Guys, > > I'm currently looking to expand my knowledge of Windows which won't go > too slow and I can get something out of it. > > The reason is that many jobs now require Windows as well as Unix > background. Can anyone make any suggestions of courses to look at? > > I'm sorry if this is not linux related however I believe alot of > technical people on this list may be able to help me out. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 02:45:23 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:45:23 -0400 Subject: project: blogging software In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0810261910w1655010fnff8ad7d3a6e3ebcc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20081026101117.28f804a9@teksavvy.com> <99a6c38f0810261910w1655010fnff8ad7d3a6e3ebcc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Scott Elcomb wrote: > I've tried Wordpress and a number of other blogging and found them a > little lacking. Recently however I started playing around with > b2evolution and have to admit I'm quite impressed. I'm a little curious as to what could be "lacking" in such systems. The essentials to a blogging application ought to be eminently simple: * The *first* purpose is to allow the author to record "diary" entries that are publishable as HTML and RSS/XML. * A second purpose, that I'd consider pretty secondary, would be to allow the public to add comments to your diary entries. I am not certain this is actually a good idea; I would tend to think that if I want to comment on someone's blog entry, I should put a blog entry on my own site. It seems to me that creating "whole platforms" for this is really excessive. Furthermore, it seems to me that the whole set of blogging technology falls afoul of Tom Pierce's article, "Read This Before You Write a Newsreader, News Transport System, etc." http://www.newsreaders.com/misc/twpierce/news/newsreader-manifesto.html I'm quite sure that *enormous* portions of the functionality that keeps getting re-implemented in platforms like WordPress, Slashcode, Drupal, PostNuke, and such did NOT get thought through in the fashion that Pierce suggested *BACK IN 1995!* These systems *are*, in effect, news readers, with HORRIBLY kludgy aspects of news transport (e.g. - in that, in the absence of intentional interoperability standards such as NNTP, they present Guantanamo-like imprisoning captive interfaces). -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 03:41:35 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:41:35 -0400 Subject: OT: Looking for Course for Windows for resume to co-inside with my Linux knowledge In-Reply-To: <32f6a8880810261455m28bb2663n6e1263452c36bb1a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <32f6a8880810261455m28bb2663n6e1263452c36bb1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4905386F.60807@alteeve.com> Dave Germiquet wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I'm currently looking to expand my knowledge of Windows which won't go > too slow and I can get something out of it. > > The reason is that many jobs now require Windows as well as Unix > background. Can anyone make any suggestions of courses to look at? > > I'm sorry if this is not linux related however I believe alot of > technical people on this list may be able to help me out. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > Full disclosure, about ten years ago I taught at George Brown (well, this may actually be a sign of low standards. :P) That said, I think they have a decent range of evening, non-accredited courses on a whole range of topics. I don't think they were unreasonable price, either. All my info is out of date now, but it might be worth looking into at least. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 04:17:16 2008 From: hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Herb Richter) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:17:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Oct 28th NewTLUG meeting: 1) Linux for Absolute Beginners 2) How to Make Money from Free Software (reminder) Message-ID: This month's NewTLUG meeting will be held Tues Oct 28th., at the IBM offices 3600 Steeles Ave E. **Important** This meeting is free and all are welcome, however, all attendees will be required to have a security badge. Badges should be prepared in advance. If you plan to attend, please send your name to Paul (off-list at ), preferably by Monday Oct 27th. ...and please be sure to return badges to the front reception at the end of the session. Thanks: to Paul for helping NewTLUG not only by arranging for a room and hosting our meetings at IBM but also with looking after the badges. Badges: please email Paul Mora to pre-register Date and Time: Tues Oct 28, 7-10pm Presenter: Ken Brown Ken is a frequent presenter at NewTLUG. Most recently, this spring, demonstrating how to rip and encode CD's in one step (including Ogg, Mp3, Wav, and Flac formats) Topics: 1) Linux for Absolute Beginners: or "Linux for people who are unfamiliar with Linux. A talk and Q and A session for newbies." including: - explanations of the kernel, - window managers, - filesystems, - distros, and - free software. bonus beginner topics: - installation and configuration, - how to load and use Linux on a USB key, and - portable Linux. 2) How to Make Money from Free Software: - how commercial companies like Red Hat, Slackware, etc make money using Linux. but wait, even more bonus topics: - how to use Knoppix to recover lost files, - how to remove Windows passwords with Linux rescue disks, and - some talk about a T***WS scam that Ken discovered this summer while researching this topic. Apr?s-meet: After the meeting some will adjourn to a local coffee shop for continued discussion and general world problem solving. Location: IBM offices 3600 Steeles Ave East, north side of Steeles at Pharmacy/Esna Park (between Victoria Park and Warden) http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?mapdata=nGCyq1371PhhgCmx6Z%2b1cDMK7StVSEOC8pv6WLEwpPl4J5csVKolXMC1br3AveG47eAtFWeuZ%2bwJ2KM5Oq7LBuLnoWwdmj0b8XrxuhJWdRt2Mc4gVOIEVqcICHRlLm6XTuuZzJMzAZAf3OoErhbEoEZ9FStAjnRb7vrPmDxfzc6Dkdp3pAlh6ZFovnxcYwyt1e0eUfOZpFdN4rspAMvur8zk2XOMgoEZ6s2G1gxGZI6fILrLIfssN9UqLRPAuYnV84Fbwn7amW8Y%2fM6NeCfvcJVGtRhNNBCahqzxnGwYk6G9JBDVKNwGC7biOuwnI5nkx95wKeq%2brOPhXzRb4XSHbA%3d%3d (sorry for the wrap) Directions: Meet at the front entrance well before 7:00pm (6:30 recommended) to pickup your ID badge. At about 7:00 we'll be escorted to the auditorium. Some provision will be made for anyone arriving a little late. Parking: Free parking is available in the visitor parkade from 6:00pm to 11:00pm. --- Herb Richter Richter Equipment, Toronto, Ontario http://PartsAndService.com http://Stand-Up-Bridletowne.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 11:49:33 2008 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SneakerNet In-Reply-To: <002601c935d3$fcbf3210$f63d9630$@com> References: <200810231632.09343.icanprogram@295.ca> <4900E09C.8020705@rogers.com> <4900E291.1060503@tmis.ca> <002601c935d3$fcbf3210$f63d9630$@com> Message-ID: | From: Ansar Mohammed | Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling | down the highway. -Tanenbaum, Andrew S. (1996). I remember that being a notable line of Prof. David Morgan in a University of Waterloo OS course in 1973 (plus or minus 1 year). I think it came from his Bell Labs experience. According to this AST worked at Bell Labs when he was a grad student: http://www.simple-talk.com/opinion/geek-of-the-week/andrew-tanenbaum-geek-of-the-week/ Since he got his PhD in 1971, this would have been before I heard Morgan say the phrase. So: I don't know who said it first but it was long before 1996. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 12:16:38 2008 From: jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (John Sellens) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: project: blogging software Message-ID: <200810271216.m9RCGcSH093505@gc0.generalconcepts.com> | Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:45:23 -0400 | From: "Christopher Browne" | | Furthermore, it seems to me that the whole set of blogging technology | falls afoul of Tom Pierce's article, "Read This Before You Write a | Newsreader, News Transport System, etc." | http://www.newsreaders.com/misc/twpierce/news/newsreader-manifesto.html The article is actually labelled as by Tom Limoncelli, famous system administrator, author, and all around nice guy. (It's in Tim Pierce's section on the site.) Cheers John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kevjmorris-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 13:28:14 2008 From: kevjmorris-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Kevin Morris) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:28:14 -0400 Subject: Oct 28th NewTLUG meeting: 1) Linux for Absolute Beginners 2) How to Make Money from Free Software (reminder) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I sent an email with a request about somehow getting this meeting posted online...I was wondering if something can be arranged. I am not able to attend due to unavoidable situation and I know I can hugely benefit from this meeting and I am sure that there maybe many poeple in a similar situation. It will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Cheers Kevin > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:17:16 -0500 > From: hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > CC: pmora-G1DYhSM1WHTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org > Subject: [TLUG]: Oct 28th NewTLUG meeting: 1) Linux for Absolute Beginners 2) How to Make Money from Free Software (reminder) > > > > This month's NewTLUG meeting will be held > Tues Oct 28th., > at the IBM offices 3600 Steeles Ave E. > > **Important** > > This meeting is free and all are welcome, however, all attendees will be > required to have a security badge. Badges should be prepared in advance. > If you plan to attend, please send your name to Paul (off-list at > ), preferably by Monday Oct 27th. ...and please be sure > to return badges to the front reception at the end of the session. > > Thanks: to Paul for helping NewTLUG not only by arranging for a room and hosting > our meetings at IBM but also with looking after the badges. > > Badges: please email Paul Mora to pre-register > > > Date and Time: Tues Oct 28, 7-10pm > > > Presenter: Ken Brown > > Ken is a frequent presenter at NewTLUG. > Most recently, this spring, demonstrating how to rip and encode CD's in > one step (including Ogg, Mp3, Wav, and Flac formats) > > > Topics: > > 1) Linux for Absolute Beginners: > or "Linux for people who are unfamiliar with Linux. > A talk and Q and A session for newbies." > > including: > - explanations of the kernel, > - window managers, > - filesystems, > - distros, and > - free software. > > bonus beginner topics: > - installation and configuration, > - how to load and use Linux on a USB key, and > - portable Linux. > > > 2) How to Make Money from Free Software: > - how commercial companies like Red Hat, Slackware, etc > make money using Linux. > > but wait, even more bonus topics: > - how to use Knoppix to recover lost files, > - how to remove Windows passwords with Linux rescue disks, and > - some talk about a T***WS scam that Ken discovered this summer while > researching this topic. > > > > > Apr?s-meet: > > After the meeting some will adjourn to a local coffee shop for continued > discussion and general world problem solving. > > > Location: > > IBM offices 3600 Steeles Ave East, north side of Steeles at Pharmacy/Esna > Park (between Victoria Park and Warden) > http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?mapdata=nGCyq1371PhhgCmx6Z%2b1cDMK7StVSEOC8pv6WLEwpPl4J5csVKolXMC1br3AveG47eAtFWeuZ%2bwJ2KM5Oq7LBuLnoWwdmj0b8XrxuhJWdRt2Mc4gVOIEVqcICHRlLm6XTuuZzJMzAZAf3OoErhbEoEZ9FStAjnRb7vrPmDxfzc6Dkdp3pAlh6ZFovnxcYwyt1e0eUfOZpFdN4rspAMvur8zk2XOMgoEZ6s2G1gxGZI6fILrLIfssN9UqLRPAuYnV84Fbwn7amW8Y%2fM6NeCfvcJVGtRhNNBCahqzxnGwYk6G9JBDVKNwGC7biOuwnI5nkx95wKeq%2brOPhXzRb4XSHbA%3d%3d > (sorry for the wrap) > > Directions: > > Meet at the front entrance well before 7:00pm (6:30 recommended) to pickup > your ID badge. At about 7:00 we'll be escorted to the auditorium. Some > provision will be made for anyone arriving a little late. > > Parking: > > Free parking is available in the visitor parkade from 6:00pm to 11:00pm. > > > > --- > Herb Richter > Richter Equipment, Toronto, Ontario > http://PartsAndService.com > http://Stand-Up-Bridletowne.org > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 14:21:06 2008 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:21:06 -0400 Subject: project: blogging software In-Reply-To: References: <20081026101117.28f804a9@teksavvy.com> <99a6c38f0810261910w1655010fnff8ad7d3a6e3ebcc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0810270721v7194e7f9p4be0ad03d728cb65@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Scott Elcomb wrote: >> I've tried Wordpress and a number of other blogging and found them a >> little lacking. Recently however I started playing around with >> b2evolution and have to admit I'm quite impressed. > > I'm a little curious as to what could be "lacking" in such systems. I'm not (and wasn't) sure that lacking was the right word so I tried qualifying it with "a little." Basically none of the blogging tools really sat well with me for one reason or another. > The essentials to a blogging application ought to be eminently simple: Agreed; for the longest time my favorite was blosxom (perl country ;-) I like b2e because the administrators interface feels intuitive and having trend reporting (charts/graphs) built-in to the product means one less thing to install or reconfigure. > Furthermore, it seems to me that the whole set of blogging technology > falls afoul of Tom Pierce's article, "Read This Before You Write a > Newsreader, News Transport System, etc." > http://www.newsreaders.com/misc/twpierce/news/newsreader-manifesto.html Thanks for sharing that. I look forward to reading it more fully - after a bit of sleep tho. > I'm quite sure that *enormous* portions of the functionality that > keeps getting re-implemented in platforms like WordPress, Slashcode, > Drupal, PostNuke, and such did NOT get thought through in the fashion > that Pierce suggested *BACK IN 1995!* When getting started as a web developer (~'04), I ran directly into code-reuse problems. Particularly since I didn't know anything beyond simple HTML. Now, after "jumping ship" from systems and applications programming to web development, I wish I had systems-like RIA libraries. I think they're the way to go. It's my hope that, by being familiar to other GNU and *nix products, Atomic OS might help systems programmers apply their skills to web design by reducing the learning curve of HTML+DOM+XML+JavaScript+CSS+Browser Quirks+Standards. AJAX/Web 2.0/{insert-label-here} is helping RIA developers, but good "web systems" are still hard to come by. I'd rate webmin high on my good-web-systems-o-meter for it's technical simplicity and thoroughness. (gmane, gmail, zimbra would be some other examples of mine.) > These systems *are*, in effect, news readers, with HORRIBLY kludgy > aspects of news transport (e.g. - in that, in the absence of > intentional interoperability standards such as NNTP, they present > Guantanamo-like imprisoning captive interfaces). When implemented, Atomic OS may provide a path-to-a-fix for the UI and client/server (networking) portions of the kludginess... Server-side processes should be scriptable... I dunno - might be a better mousetrap, might not. lol. -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 15:24:34 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:24:34 -0400 Subject: SneakerNet In-Reply-To: References: <200810231632.09343.icanprogram@295.ca> <4900E09C.8020705@rogers.com> <4900E291.1060503@tmis.ca> <002601c935d3$fcbf3210$f63d9630$@com> Message-ID: <20081027152434.GA5681@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:49:33AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I remember that being a notable line of Prof. David Morgan in a University > of Waterloo OS course in 1973 (plus or minus 1 year). I think it came > from his Bell Labs experience. > > According to this AST worked at Bell Labs when he was a grad student: > http://www.simple-talk.com/opinion/geek-of-the-week/andrew-tanenbaum-geek-of-the-week/ > Since he got his PhD in 1971, this would have been before I heard Morgan > say the phrase. > > So: I don't know who said it first but it was long before 1996. Well I am pretty sure I remember seeing it in one of the Tanenbaum textbooks on networking, but that doesn't mean he thought of it first. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 15:27:08 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:27:08 -0400 Subject: disabling speaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081027152708.GB5681@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 07:00:34PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Just a few impressions related to the subject. > > So what am I supposed to do when watching porno movies when all that > sound goes also to PC speaker? If anything other than 'beep' goes to the internal speaker, then complain to the idiots that designed the machine. it is a hardware choice, not a software choice, and linux can't do anything about it. A mixer setting might do something about it though. > It seems that Linux does not have a way to disable PC speaker! It does, but it sounds like you don't have a normal pc speaker, but more likely one of those speakers hooked up to the onboard audio the way some HP and compaq business desktops like to do (after all it gives you some sound without having to buy a set of speakers). > OK, there is one way I implemented: I opened computer and pulled out > speaker cables from where they are connected. It works! ;) Very effective method. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 15:50:37 2008 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:50:37 -0400 Subject: project: blogging software In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0810270721v7194e7f9p4be0ad03d728cb65-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20081026101117.28f804a9@teksavvy.com> <99a6c38f0810261910w1655010fnff8ad7d3a6e3ebcc@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f0810270721v7194e7f9p4be0ad03d728cb65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Scott Elcomb wrote: >> I'm quite sure that *enormous* portions of the functionality that >> keeps getting re-implemented in platforms like WordPress, Slashcode, >> Drupal, PostNuke, and such did NOT get thought through in the fashion >> that Pierce suggested *BACK IN 1995!* > > When getting started as a web developer (~'04), I ran directly into > code-reuse problems. Particularly since I didn't know anything beyond > simple HTML. Now, after "jumping ship" from systems and applications > programming to web development, I wish I had systems-like RIA > libraries. I think they're the way to go. Minor quibble: The point here isn't about code reuse. Tom Limoncelli (I thought it was Tim Pierce's essay, then when I tried checking attributions, the "Tom" reference evidently confused me!) isn't particularly arguing for code reuse; he's arguing against going off and solving the wrong problem. And against redesigning, badly, something that others have already thought about carefully. It sure seems to me that the "web news/web discussion/blog" approach has gone down the road of "duplicatively redesigning the same thing, badly." It hasn't just happened once - it has happened many times. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -- assortedly attributed to Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Rita Mae Brown, and Rudyard Kipling -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From kyleodonnell-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 15:57:55 2008 From: kyleodonnell-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kyle O'Donnell) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:57:55 -0400 Subject: disabling speaker In-Reply-To: <20081027152708.GB5681-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20081027152708.GB5681@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <2274b9c30810270857r56eb5b1dg20e570c598641b63@mail.gmail.com> To actually disable the 'pc speaker': rmmod pcspkr or recompile the kernel and remove it. On 10/27/08, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 07:00:34PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >> Just a few impressions related to the subject. >> >> So what am I supposed to do when watching porno movies when all that >> sound goes also to PC speaker? > > If anything other than 'beep' goes to the internal speaker, then > complain to the idiots that designed the machine. it is a hardware > choice, not a software choice, and linux can't do anything about it. > > A mixer setting might do something about it though. > >> It seems that Linux does not have a way to disable PC speaker! > > It does, but it sounds like you don't have a normal pc speaker, but more > likely one of those speakers hooked up to the onboard audio the way some > HP and compaq business desktops like to do (after all it gives you some > sound without having to buy a set of speakers). > >> OK, there is one way I implemented: I opened computer and pulled out >> speaker cables from where they are connected. It works! ;) > > Very effective method. > > -- > Len Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 16:31:14 2008 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: project: blogging softwarey In-Reply-To: References: <20081026101117.28f804a9@teksavvy.com> <99a6c38f0810261910w1655010fnff8ad7d3a6e3ebcc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Oct 2008, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Scott Elcomb wrote: >> I've tried Wordpress and a number of other blogging and found them a >> little lacking. Recently however I started playing around with >> b2evolution and have to admit I'm quite impressed. > > I'm a little curious as to what could be "lacking" in such systems. > > The essentials to a blogging application ought to be eminently simple: > > * The *first* purpose is to allow the author to record "diary" entries > that are publishable as HTML and RSS/XML. > > * A second purpose, that I'd consider pretty secondary, would be to > allow the public to add comments to your diary entries. I am not > certain this is actually a good idea; I would tend to think that if I > want to comment on someone's blog entry, I should put a blog entry on > my own site. If you don't want to allow comments, all that's needed is a few lines of shell script. Unless you are writing an article every hour (and probably not even then), you do not need a database to store your articles. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster ========= Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: ======== Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 20:11:17 2008 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT: E-mail address being used for spam? Message-ID: <340732.47617.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Over the course of the last few days, I have noticed that I'm receiving a large number of "Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender" type e-mail messages in my Inbox. These are all occurring for messages I definitely did not send (as they are clearly bouncebacks of viagra-type spam messages). I'm guessing that someone may be using my e-mail address and spoofing it as the "from" address when sending out spam. Is there anything that I can do about this? For what it's worth, I don't even use (nor have I set up) any e-mail clients aside from web clients. So it's not likely that I've got a virus/trojan on one of my machines. -Matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 20:37:59 2008 From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:37:59 -0400 Subject: OT: E-mail address being used for spam? In-Reply-To: <340732.47617.qm-AStWkcKiNYCB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <340732.47617.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <491f66a50810271337u32ab479qe25257807c472248@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, unfortunately you are going to have to grin and bear it. Nothing can be done about it. Dve On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Matthew Godycki wrote: > Over the course of the last few days, I have noticed that > I'm receiving a large number of "Undelivered Mail Returned > to Sender" type e-mail messages in my Inbox. These are > all occurring for messages I definitely did not send (as they > are clearly bouncebacks of viagra-type spam messages). > I'm guessing that someone may be using my e-mail address > and spoofing it as the "from" address when sending out > spam. Is there anything that I can do about this? > > For what it's worth, I don't even use (nor have I set up) any > e-mail clients aside from web clients. So it's not likely that > I've got a virus/trojan on one of my machines. > > -Matt > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 20:43:38 2008 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:43:38 -0400 Subject: OT: E-mail address being used for spam? In-Reply-To: <340732.47617.qm-AStWkcKiNYCB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <340732.47617.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <490627FA.4090206@alteeve.com> Matthew Godycki wrote: > Over the course of the last few days, I have noticed that > I'm receiving a large number of "Undelivered Mail Returned > to Sender" type e-mail messages in my Inbox. These are > all occurring for messages I definitely did not send (as they > are clearly bouncebacks of viagra-type spam messages). > I'm guessing that someone may be using my e-mail address > and spoofing it as the "from" address when sending out > spam. Is there anything that I can do about this? > > For what it's worth, I don't even use (nor have I set up) any > e-mail clients aside from web clients. So it's not likely that > I've got a virus/trojan on one of my machines. > > -Matt It's called backscatter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backscatter_(e-mail) Out of curiosity, look at the mail headers in the bounce and see if you see the mail agent "The Bat!". Madi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Oct 27 21:53:28 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:53:28 -0400 Subject: OT: E-mail address being used for spam? In-Reply-To: <490627FA.4090206-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <340732.47617.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <490627FA.4090206@alteeve.com> Message-ID: You can use google mail. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 28 13:44:56 2008 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:44:56 -0400 Subject: Adding to Open Street Map on the cheap. Message-ID: Just thought I would note that Factory Direct (factorydirect.ca) had a flyer in last Saturday's Toronto Star. In that flyer were two items of interest to those interested in mapping, a coupon that will let you get a copy of "Microsoft Streets & Trips 2006 with GPS locator" for $19.99 (buy the package, toss the software, the GPS locator does have Linux drivers :-) ). They also have "Microsoft Streets & Trips 2007 with GPS locator" for $29.99. The difference between the locator included with the two editions is the 2007 version is somewhat smaller and is supposed to be a bit more sensitive. I would be happy enough to pass on the coupon I got to any GTALug person who would like it, the coupon expires November 2nd. I plan to attend the NewTLUG meeting tonight and I plan to be at the TASK (Toronto Area Security Klatch) meeting on Wednesday evening. Otherwise the coupon would have to be picked up from me at my home near Yonge & Eglinton... I used the 2006 edition locator to map most of the streets in Perth ON in September, locator on the dashboard, Linux running laptop in the front passenger seat, all of which worked quite well. Anyone with a laptop who wants to start playing with Open Street Map on a tight budget, well, this is just the ticket. Granted these GPS locators are a bad pick if you want to document trails... but for streets, as seen from a car or truck. these are great :-) . Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 28 14:08:44 2008 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:08:44 -0400 Subject: project: blogging software In-Reply-To: References: <20081026101117.28f804a9@teksavvy.com> <99a6c38f0810261910w1655010fnff8ad7d3a6e3ebcc@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f0810270721v7194e7f9p4be0ad03d728cb65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0810280708v1d92c9bcrdd65284675915a2e@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Scott Elcomb wrote: >>> I'm quite sure that *enormous* portions of the functionality that >>> keeps getting re-implemented in platforms like WordPress, Slashcode, >>> Drupal, PostNuke, and such did NOT get thought through in the fashion >>> that Pierce suggested *BACK IN 1995!* >> >> When getting started as a web developer (~'04), I ran directly into >> code-reuse problems. Particularly since I didn't know anything beyond >> simple HTML. Now, after "jumping ship" from systems and applications >> programming to web development, I wish I had systems-like RIA >> libraries. I think they're the way to go. > > Minor quibble: The point here isn't about code reuse. > > Tom Limoncelli (I thought it was Tim Pierce's essay, then when I tried > checking attributions, the "Tom" reference evidently confused me!) > isn't particularly arguing for code reuse; he's arguing against going > off and solving the wrong problem. And against redesigning, badly, > something that others have already thought about carefully. > > It sure seems to me that the "web news/web discussion/blog" approach > has gone down the road of "duplicatively redesigning the same thing, > badly." It hasn't just happened once - it has happened many times. System-reuse might have been a better term. What I propose with Atomic OS is to put RIA front-ends onto older, more proven systems. (I have a great deal of respect for the giants that came before us.) WebNews (aka "web news/web discussion/blog") is already out there and not likely to go away - but bringing in some "respected" competition might not be a bad idea. :) -- Scott Elcomb http://www.psema4.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 28 15:12:40 2008 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:12:40 -0400 Subject: may be usefull for some (but act today) Message-ID: <20081028111240.632a393d.tleslie@tcn.net> http://ostatic.com/175916-blog/codeweavers-to-offer-crossover-for-free-on-tuesday -- ted leslie -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From jvetterli-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 28 16:26:34 2008 From: jvetterli-Rn4VEauK+AKRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:26:34 -0400 Subject: may be usefull for some (but act today) In-Reply-To: <20081028111240.632a393d.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org> References: <20081028111240.632a393d.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:12:40AM -0400, ted leslie wrote: > http://ostatic.com/175916-blog/codeweavers-to-offer-crossover-for-free-on-tuesday Heh. I just tried to go to the CodeWeavers site; their server seems to be having trouble with the increased volume :D JV -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 28 17:41:33 2008 From: colin.mc151-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:41:33 -0400 Subject: TASK October Event - Wednesday Oct 29 Message-ID: I thought this might be of general interest. The Toronto Area Security Klatch folks are going to have their monthly meeting Wednesday Oct. 29th, details below. Do keep in mind that room B250 is to be found in the basement, not second floor :-) . The meeting is free to attend. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- We have two great speakers coming out this month, on two very interesting topics. Should prove to be another great month for content. Be sure also to read the Digital Defence offer that bottom of this email. As we begin planning for 2009 we're also looking for speakers. Please contact me if you're interested. When: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 6pm-9pm Location: Pharmacy Building, Room B250, 144 College St. Visit the website for more details and directions. Topic: Computer Fraud ? Computer Crime Speaker: Jerrard B. Gaertner, Director of Technology Assurance Services at Soberman LLP The Criminal Code of Canada deals with some computer offences directly (theft of telecommunications) and with others indirectly (fraud, theft, electronic distribution of child pornography). However, many people believe the Code is out of date or ineffective when it comes to computer-related offences. ? Just what is computer crime? How is it different from other offences? ? Are the rules of evidence different? Is the standard of proof different? ? What are some of the ways in which computer crime is perpetrated? ? How can computer crime be prevented (or can it)? ? How are investigations different when a computer is involved? In this presentation, we will try to separate the hype from the facts and explain some of the things that IT professionals should know about computers and crime in Canada. Topic: Automating security: log and vulnerability management Speaker: Pedrag Zivic Mr. Zivic will address vulnerability, threat and risk management automation experiences, provide review of tools and speculate on future direction of risk and security management. The talk will go into brief description of initial intention, reality, pains, lessons learned and solutions found. Mr. Zivic will talk about his geek vision for the future of security and risk management. Sincerely, Brian Bourne TASK Steering Committee -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DigitalDefence is offering its 2-weekend workshop to prepare TASK members for the CISSP certification offered by ISC2. During the 4-day session, experienced instructors will provide an overview of the 10 domains of the Common Body of Knowledge, and highlight the areas that students frequently have difficulty with. We will also provide students with valuable studying and test-taking tips. Previous sessions of the course have been quite successful, and the pass rate of students who go on to write the exam at more than 90%! The next session will be held on the weekends of 22-23 and 29-30 November. This will help to prepare students for the next exam known to be scheduled for the GTA on 13 December 2008. Cost of the session for TASK members, which includes study materials, is $540. If you would like more details, please join us at the next TASK meeting or contact the instructor directly at: robert.beggs-7kUUosv42bfjnU0fXLXLJJVL4qR35lwC at public.gmane.org Register online at: www.digitaldefence.ca/educate/schedule -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 28 19:29:10 2008 From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:29:10 -0400 Subject: OT: reference for an emp agency Message-ID: <20081028192910.GA22139@watson-wilson.ca> Greetings, Has anyone done business with the Ant and Bee Corp agency? I've never heard of them. Are they reputable? -- Neil Watson System Administrator for hire http://watson-wilson.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Oct 28 19:41:30 2008 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:41:30 -0400 Subject: OT: reference for an emp agency In-Reply-To: <20081028192910.GA22139-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20081028192910.GA22139@watson-wilson.ca> Message-ID: <20081028194130.GC5681@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 03:29:10PM -0400, Neil Watson wrote: > Has anyone done business with the Ant and Bee Corp agency? I've never > heard of them. Are they reputable? emp agency. Made me wonder if some agency runs around disrupting electronics with electro magnetic pulses. Sounds like fun. :) -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 29 02:35:05 2008 From: arifsaha-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: may be usefull for some (but act today) In-Reply-To: References: <20081028111240.632a393d.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, John Vetterli wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:12:40AM -0400, ted leslie wrote: >> http://ostatic.com/175916-blog/codeweavers-to-offer-crossover-for-free-on-tuesday > > Heh. I just tried to go to the CodeWeavers site; their server seems to > be having trouble with the increased volume :D They forward it to a simplified site only for downloading: http://down.codeweavers.com/ -- (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 29 05:03:43 2008 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: reference for an emp agency In-Reply-To: <20081028194130.GC5681-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20081028192910.GA22139@watson-wilson.ca> <20081028194130.GC5681@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 03:29:10PM -0400, Neil Watson wrote: >> Has anyone done business with the Ant and Bee Corp agency? I've never >> heard of them. Are they reputable? > > emp agency. Made me wonder if some agency runs around disrupting > electronics with electro magnetic pulses. Sounds like fun. :) I wonder if they get government funding for that or if it is all private enterprise. I'm back in Toronto after a month in sunny Australia. I went to the beach... a lot. Yeah that is intended to get you all jealous ;) Rob -- I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 29 11:32:50 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:32:50 -0400 Subject: OT: reference for an emp agency In-Reply-To: References: <20081028192910.GA22139@watson-wilson.ca> <20081028194130.GC5681@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <490849E2.9050307@rogers.com> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 03:29:10PM -0400, Neil Watson wrote: >>> Has anyone done business with the Ant and Bee Corp agency? I've never >>> heard of them. Are they reputable? >> >> emp agency. Made me wonder if some agency runs around disrupting >> electronics with electro magnetic pulses. Sounds like fun. :) > > I wonder if they get government funding for that or if it is all > private enterprise. > > I'm back in Toronto after a month in sunny Australia. I went to the > beach... a lot. Yeah that is intended to get you all jealous ;) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Beach_(1959_film) ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Wed Oct 29 15:23:14 2008 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: reference for an emp agency In-Reply-To: <490849E2.9050307-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20081028192910.GA22139@watson-wilson.ca> <20081028194130.GC5681@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <490849E2.9050307@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, James Knott wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Beach_(1959_film) ;-) I love that film :) Melbourne - 'the perfect place to make a film about the end of the world' I was born in Melbourne and long ago made a conscious decision not to live there so I love this quote (even if Ava Gardner didn't really say it :) Rob -- I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 30 19:49:55 2008 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: disabling speaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Just a few impressions related to the subject. I find the easiest way to disable the speaker is to speak loudly over them while they are trying to give their presentation and then ask a series of questions aimed at tripping them up. Be sure to allow the resulting conversation in the audience to wander off topic for long periods. An alternative is to ply them with alcohol before the talk begins so they can't speak in the first place. This approach is more expensive and requires planning though. Rob -- I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 30 19:45:30 2008 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:45:30 -0400 Subject: disabling speaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <490A0EDA.5030700@rogers.com> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > >> Just a few impressions related to the subject. > > I find the easiest way to disable the speaker is to speak loudly over > them while they are trying to give their presentation and then ask a > series of questions aimed at tripping them up. Be sure to allow the > resulting conversation in the audience to wander off topic for long > periods. > > An alternative is to ply them with alcohol before the talk begins so > they can't speak in the first place. This approach is more expensive > and requires planning though. Wouldn't the standard TLUG heckling take care of that? ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists From softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Oct 30 22:44:15 2008 From: softquake-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:44:15 -0400 Subject: apache cache - possible solutions? Message-ID: We have squid around (what a number of options there!), we have mod_cache, and a few other ways to deal with server cache. The problem I have is however not quite standard (to limit CPU when creating maps images). I want to cache files based on their partial URL. I am quite certain that caching is done by using GET URI (for instance). But I would like to cache based on part of URI, so that some another part of URI is ignored. I never used caching on server. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists